Does The King James Bible Reveal The Identity Of The Author Of The Book Of Hebrews?

Certainly the writer is not addressing gentile, Greek-speaking Christians, he is talking to Jews. In fact, the writer of the book of Hebrews seems to have a genuine love and a sincere heart to see his fellow Jews get saved.
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The book of Hebrews, while in the New Testament, was not written “to” Christians as doctrine for the Church Age. It was written to, you guessed it, the Hebrews.

“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.” 2 Peter 1:20 (KJV)

As Bible believers, we maintain and teach that whatever questions are raised in the reading of the King James Bible will also be answered in the reading of the King James Bible. And no, not by “going to the Greek and Hebrew” for more “light”. You don’t speak, read or write any of those languages so why would you go looking for answers there? God has preserved His word in English, the last, great universal world language, for an English-speaking people. Now before you open up Outlook to fire us off an email for berate us for our “narrow mindedness”, just remember that God the Holy Spirit wrote the Old Testament in Hebrew to the exclusion of every other known language, and He wrote the New Testament in Greek to the exclusion of every other known language. God’s way is and will always be the narrow way.

The whole Bible written for us, but the whole Bible not written to us

Further, we understand as Bible believers that while God meant the whole Bible to be “for” us, He certainly did not mean for the whole Bible be written “to” us. The Church is not Israel and Israel in not the Church. Promises made to Israel and the Jews remain their property no matter how far away they may slide away from God. When we steal promises God makes to His chosen people and try to apply them to the Christian Church, that’s called Replacement Theology, and it is unbiblical as well as being demonic.

With the foundation clearly laid, the question before us is this: does the Bible reveal the author of the book of Hebrews? This answer is yes, we believe it does.

The book of Hebrews, while in the New Testament, was not written “to” Christians as doctrine for the Church Age. It was written to, you guessed it, the Hebrews, though it is a rich treasure trove of spiritual application for Church Age saints. And as you read Hebrews, in chapter after chapter it becomes quite clear who the author is addressing. He is talking to Jews, under the Law, and he makes his case by reminding them of their chosen people lineage and comparing and contrasting that with the risen Lord Jesus Christ:

“Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house. For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.” Hebrews 3:1-3 (KJV)

The writer of Hebrews pleads with his Jewish audience to not reject Jesus Christ the way their fathers provoked God in the Exodus from Egypt:

“Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.” Hebrews 3:12,15 (KJV)

Certainly the writer is not addressing gentile, Greek-speaking Christians, he is talking to Jews. In fact, the writer of the book of Hebrews seems to have a genuine love and a sincere heart to see his fellow Jews get saved. Kinda reminds you of this:

“I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.” Romans 9:1-5 (KJV)

Those verses from Romans written by the apostle Paul match the tenor of Hebrews quite closely, we could make a pretty good case for Paul as the author of Hebrews. But if this was all we had to go on, it would be at best a circumstantial type of proof that would probably not hold up in court. Let’s continue.

In the tenth chapter of Hebrews, we come across a clue to the writer’s identity that, under close inspection, yields a bonanza of information about him. In verse 34 we find that the writer was in prison:

“For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.” Hebrews 10:34 (KJV)

Now the field of possible candidates was just reduced to nearly a single possibility. Whoever was writing Hebrews was well-acquainted with the chain of imprisonment. Paul was the only apostle that had “prison epistles”. John was in exile on Patmos, but that is not the same as being chained in prison.

FUN FACT: Every single place in the King James Bible that uses the word “bonds” in the New Testament has been removed in the NIV. Hmm, now I wonder why that would be? 

Since the writer of Hebrews uses the word “bonds” 3 times in Hebrews, lets do a quick search to see where else in the New Testament that word was used. We find the word “bonds” appearing 18 times in the New Testament.

  • “And now, behold, I go bound in the spirit unto Jerusalem, not knowing the things that shall befall me there: Save that the Holy Ghost witnesseth in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions abide me.” Acts 20:22,23 (KJV)
  • “Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian. And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds.” Acts 26:28,29 (KJV)
  • “The salutation by the hand of me Paul. Remember my bonds. Grace be with you. Amen.”  Colossians 4:18 (KJV)

The amazing thing is that every time they appear, not counting the 3 times in Hebrews, the word “bonds” was either written by Paul or about Paul. All 18 of them! We strongly urge you to pull all the references to bonds and study them in light of Hebrews, it will amaze you. And there is one verse that stands out so strongly it becomes virtually a proof-text for proving Paul was the writer of Hebrews:

“And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.” Ephesians 6:19,29 (KJV)

Did you see that? Not only does Paul own all the places in which the word appears, the Holy Spirit then tells us that he is so closely identified with being in prison chains that he is called the “ambassador in bonds”. Honestly, how much more proof do you require? Many scholars, so called, will attempt to argue authorship by saying “well, it doesn’t sound Pauline enough for it to be Paul”, and various other chestnuts like that only scholars can appreciate. But the Bible wasn’t written for scholars, it was written for the average person, in the Koine “street talk” of it’s day. So the clues are not hidden very deeply at all, a simple dose of 2 Timothy 2:15 sufficient to solve the problem.

Yes, there are many doctrinal differences between the book of Hebrews and all of Paul’s known writings. Paul, for example, teaches the doctrine of eternal security from Romans to Philemon, while the book of Hebrews teaches a works-plus-faith salvation. So when we rightly divide, we see that Hebrews as doctrine will be for the saints living in the time of Jacob’s trouble, a time in which salvation can be lost. Hebrews is clearly in line with Matthew 24, James, Jude and Revelation chapters 6 – 19.

Perhaps the Holy Spirit told Paul not to put his name on it to avoid confusing Christians living in our dispensation. Seems to me like a pretty good idea. And perhaps Paul was giving us a huge clue when he told us to “remember his bonds”.

“So that my bonds in Christ are manifest in all the palace, and in all other places; And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.” Philippians 1:13,14 (KJV)

This type of “advanced revelation” can be found only in the pages of the King James Bible. Your not inspired, modern “bible” versions won’t ever give up secrets like this. Try and do this word study with an NIV, and you won’t even get out of the starting gate as the NIV has taken out every place in the NT where it appears.

“Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?” Ecclesiastes 8:4 (KJV)

 

NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he has a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.
  • JUST … WOW …
    ” The Church is not Israel and Israel in not the Church. Promises made to Israel and the Jews remain their property no matter how far away they may slide away from God. When we steal promises God makes to His chosen people and try to apply them to the Christian Church, that’s called Replacement Theology, and it is unbiblical as well as being demonic.”

    Geoffrey Grider … YOU ARE DEMONIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Sorry but THE CHURCH IS ISRAEL and ISRAEL IS The Church!

    CLEARLY you have NEVER watched the movie “Marching to Zion” and have NOT seen HOW DEMONIC the JEWS ARE, and yes, EVEN TODAY. RIGHT NOW. Have you EVER even read the Babylonian Talmud to see WHAT REAL JEWS TODAY say about Jesus? And about how, in Gitin 57a, THE TALMUD says that Jesus is now “BOILING IN A VAT OF HIS OWN FECES” FOR EVER? and how all “all Christians will boil in a vat of their own SEMEN for ever”???
    THAT is the EVIL of the DEMONIC Synagogue of Satan aka JEWS aka MODERN DAY #$&#$%@#^$ ISRAEL!!!!!!

    WOW…. JUST WOW …

    “Replacement Theology” is only a JESUIT COUNTER-reformation term for fighting back against those of us who are AGAINST ZIONISM, like YOURS.

    I HOPE GOD CURSES YOU for your OWN DEMONISM and your OWN BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!

    WOWWWWWW

    • Actually, I have watched that piece of TRASH you call “Marching To Zion”, and it has nothing in common with what is found in the Bible. We stand with the Jews and with Israel, while at the same time understanding by believing the Bible that the Church and Church saints do not replace Israel and the Jews.

      One day, after the time of Jacob’s trouble, the Jews will be RESTORED to the land and in fellowship with God as Romans 9 – 11 clearly state.

      • Leonard

        Somehow I thought you were another old guy, like me. You’re a young whippersnapper…

      • A Trober

        Geoffrey, I commend you for being a witness for Jesus Christ. So, please don’t take this the wrong way:

        Israel and Judah have been separate nations since Samaria was taken into captivity. Furthermore, Romans 9 clearly shows “Israel” –today– is not a physical lineage.

        NO ONE has EVER had a claim on a position with The Father or Jesus Christ based on physical lineage:

        Ancient Israel (which was 12 tribes, the Jews being only one, Judah) were to allow foreigners into their fellowship throughout the Old Covenant by accepting YHWY.
        Even the birthright covenant (a physical prosperity covenant that went with Joseph — EXPLICITLY different than Judah aka the Jews) – they were half Egyptian! Ephraim and Manasseh.

        .. fast forward to Christ’s time and do we really need to go through all the run-in’s Christ has with the Pharisees?

        “And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.” Matt 3:9

        To the scriptures you reference in Romans showing the same thing:

        For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel
        it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children

        ISRAEL and JUDAH are two separate, distinct nations in the Bible from their parting until this very day in scripture. NO WHERE in scripture are “Jews” Ancient Israel. No where. Calling Jews “Israel” is like calling everyone from one state of the USA “Americans”. You can’t possibly exclude the other 49 states. And, it is undeniable Israel and Judah are two separate nations from the split from each other under Rehoboam.

        In these end times, the political state of Israel is Judah, the Jews (for the most part). No other tribe of Israel was ever a Jew. It’s a short name for Judah.

        “Israel”, biblically is (a) per physical lineage lost and scattered to the nations around the world, (b) “Israel” spiritually is what scripture, explicitly,

        When Romans states, “my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved” Romasn 10;1 it means ALL of Israel. The 12 tribes in their entirety. And, as the discussion states, many WILL come to know the Lord. But, 11 of those 12 tribes are not Jews. They are “Israel”. Throughout scripture, explicitly, two different nations since Rehoboam.

        God bless you for your bold, courageous witness. Keep it up. It is in Jesus Christ we put our faith whether we agree or not. But, we cannot get God to go along with the political state of Israel being “Israel” when there’s absolutely no way “Israel” and “Jews” were every synonymous in scripture. Quite the opposite, they are explicitly two different nations.

        • A Trober

          ARGH. ad click infected the box before I could spell correct. My apologies.

    • Ryan…

      What makes you think that we (the church) are Israel?

      …And, if you are going to talk to me like you talk to Geoffrey, I won’t go any further with my comments.

    • Jim Moore

      I watched “Marching to Zion” with dismay that an Independent Baptist Church would put out such unabashed heresy. How conveniently it leaves out Romans 11 (Among other passages)except for one half verse taken out of context. No wonder they reject dispensationalism,they have too! No wonder they think the church goes into the Tribulation,even though it is clear that the tribulation period is the 70th week of Daniel 9, and deals with god’s completing His program for Israel!

      Jesus is returning as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, King of Kings and Lord of Lords, to rule and reign from Jerusalem! We, the church, will reign with Him!

      Tell me, when was the time and place you bowed the knee, admitted you deserved hell, and accepted what Jesus did for you on the cross? Do you really know Jesus as your savior? I never had to be told to love Isreal and the Jew and when received the new birth. My next door neighbor, a Lebanese raise as a Catholic to hate Jews, got saved by the power of God and now loves the Jews. May I suggest you do as Paul told the Corinthians an “examine yourself, whether you be in the faith.” For my money, you are not. You are a “wolf in sheep’s clothing,” leading many astray.

      • Anyone who follows the drivel and garbage spouted by Steven Anderson will wind up in a ditch.

      • Brother KJV FRED

        Thats good preaching there amen brother Jim Moore.. Any Holy Ghost filledchild kof God cannot read the King James Bible and not love Israel… My God is coming back for the apple of his eye. If you hate the Jews, ye are of your Father the devil.

    • TheGreatTroy

      Ryan Hall,

      You are truly lost.

    • Me

      Your pic really fits you. A little antisemitic huh.

    • John C

      The Church is not Israel! The Bible is very, very clear on this. You have Israel, the Church, and the Gentiles. I agree, with the author. Both Gentile and Jew can become a part of the body of Christ but in no way is Replacement Theology Scriptural. I’m not going to say it’s demonic, but it is very clearly bad theology!

    • Leonard

      Well, that doesn’t sound very Christian…

    • jkittyc

      Strange. A movie you watch is true & the Bible you call a lie? You’re a little mixed up.

      • NOWHERE did i “call the bible a lie” — NOW you are putting words in my mouth AND YOU are BEING a LIAR yourself!
        SHAME ON YOU.

        The bible is the LITERAL 100% PERFECT TRUTH!!!

        it ONLY is MANKIND (and the DEVIL) who TWIST it via FORBIDDEN private interpretations – 2nd Peter 1:19-21!!!

        • Lewis county hillbilly

          Really felling the love of Jesus in your reply, Ryan. “He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked.” 1 John 2:6 and what did Jesus say to the woman at the well in Samaria in John 4:21-24 ?

      • Clarence Moncrief

        Amen, Sis ………… Couldn’t have put it better ………….

    • DEAN

      That’s not very Christian of you to be cursing your fellow brethren. Steven Anderson among other things, is a holocaust denier.

    • Jim Black

      Right on! Here’s what the Apostles say about the church and Israel:

      “Hear this, you of the laity also, the elect Church of God. For the people were formerly called “the people of God,” and “an holy nation.” You, therefore, are the holy and sacred “Church of God, enrolled in heaven, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people,” a bride adorned for the Lord God, a great Church, a faithful Church.” (Constitutions, Book I, Sect. I. xxv)

      “But Israel, Your Church on earth, taken out of the Gentiles, emulating the heavenly powers night and day, with a full heart and a willing soul sings.”(Constitutions, Book VII, Sect. 2, xxxv).

      “By Him You have brought home the Gentiles to Yourself for a peculiar people, the true Israel beloved of God, and seeing God.” (Constitutions, Book VII, Sect. 2, xxxvi)

      “This is he (Moses) who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the Angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai.” (Acts 7:38)

      In Acts 7, Stephen told the Jews about God’s deliverance of Israel from Egypt. The Greek for “congregation” in this verse is “ekklesia” which means “church,” or the “called out ones.”

      But who cares what the Apostles say:)

      • What is this “Constitutions” book you mention? NEVER heard of it.
        It’s NOT in the bible and that 1 passage sounds a lot like a DIRECT (plagiarized) RIP OFF from part of the bible… even Hebrews itself :-\

        The problem with people here is that they DO NOT CARE to read simple scriptures, even 1-verse ones IN their surrounding context…. LIKE, oh i don’t know, maybe: ROMANS 2:29, Galatians 3:29 (whole chapter really), Revelation 2:9, 3:9, and Ephesians chapter 2.

        JESUS CURSED the “jews” for being of their father the Devil — THEY ALSO MURDERED HIM, but here you see so-called “christians” IN THIS THREAD … STILL KISSING THEIR COLLECTIVE ASSES and calling the “descendants” of those Jews to be “god’s chosen people”.

        THIS WHOLE WEBSITE and it’s BLIND DITCH guides, honestly make ME want to PUKE most of the time.
        ONLY ONCE in a while can i find an article here that i can fully agree on.

        • Grace

          Jesus was sent by Father God to die on that cross as our substitute. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
          And Jesus cursed those religious leaders of that day not the jews as a whole, many Israelites were saved when they believed on Christ. You definitely are having trouble separating those Jesus called children of the devil from those Jews who believed on Christ and Jesus died for all the sins of the world, we all put Jesus on that cross for the remission of our sins for w/out His going to the cross there would be no salvation for anyone,in which He willingly died on the cross. He could have had tens of thousands of angels deliver Him but He knew that was the reason He came to die on the cross and obey the Father’s will. All glory, honor and praise to Jesus who came and took our place on the cross, no one could have killed Him, He offered Himself, no one could murder Him. He is God.
          You need deliverance from an angry demonic spirit, the Lord Jesus rebuke that demon of anger in you and cast it out so your heart can be given understanding of the truth of God’s word, I pray in Jesus Name.

          • Lewis county hillbilly

            Grace, not calling you full of yourself, just saying you’re full of the good grace.

    • Sl

      Who gets raptured?
      Who are the two witnesses talking to and where?

    • Righteously Dividing The Enemy
      http://www.persecution.com

      For By Grace Are Ye Saved!

      -They both have the same God, who both created them, and restored them back to their former glory. We understand Israel is the seed and the church by Christ blood the adopted heir, both again redeemed by Christ blood sacrifices.

      . -We Gregory are all in bondage to an earth of mankind which has forgotten God. For this truth Paul also called himself a prisoner of Christ. Though don’t tell me just by using this word alone you’re to prove this work is Paul’s?
      . -Paul always revealed himself, as Holy Spirits wouldn’t have it no other way. Who he was and by what gift and authority he ministered the righteousness of God to them.
      -I know this because, Holy Spirits explain to me once. That’s how they couldn’t use me unless I realized the calling of Apostleship on my life, that it is. Just as so, by this authority in Christ. Although I never asked, I was told, that a woman did this work, how They would prove it. Now just think if this back then had been known, we never would’ve experienced the book of Hebrews. Awake, Apb, The RAM

      • ben

        I do not believe that the office of apostle is available for membership anymore.

    • klaus

      No Ryan wow to you, anyone who knows scripture knows God is the God of Israel. God has never made a covenant with the church. God has made his covenant with Israel. The Talmud is a satanic doctrine and has nothing to do with the Holy Bible. Gods covenant is clear not only in Hebrews but in the Old testament as well. Just read Book of Jeremiah 31:31.

      Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
      Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
      Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

      Then read Zecharia 12:7
      Zec 12:7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.
      Zec 12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
      Zec 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
      Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
      Zec 12:11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.
      Zec 12:12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;
      Zec 12:13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;
      Zec 12:14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.

      Scripture speaks for itself/ end of story

    • lewis county hillbilly

      Ryan, really, just read Romans chapters 9, 10, & 11, especially chapter 11. Yes, the Jews have acted wickedly, but, then again, so also have everybody else. Far as I’m aware, Ignatius Loyola, Aloysius Gonzaga, and Francis Xavier were not the author of Romans….

    • Bereani

      i see the bold text IS IS (ISIS???) If Israel (Jews) is the church & the church is Israel(Jews). Do we have to make burn offerings for the atonment for our sins?Your sound familiar.lol

  • Larry / vietnamvet1971

    Very interesting topic I will follow this to learn & read other comments, BUT I believe the same as this Blog.

  • Brother KJV Fred

    Ryan Hall.. How pathetic, rather than quoting from scripture as to why you believe that the church is the replacement for Israel, you tell us we should watch a movie produced by a known lying Jesuit wolf. How about you tell us In your own understanding whyyou believe the replacement theology and qquote the scriptures that lead you to believe so. Otherwise i cannot take you seriously.

  • Mary Avery

    All Scripture is God breathed & the Holy Spirit is the author of all Scripture. It may be interesting to know the human authors, but in the end God theHoly Spirit is he author.

  • carrierwave

    The book of Hebrews was written to real flesh and blood Herbrew believers during the first century, while Timothy was still alive, possibly around 65 A.D. To say it is written for another dispensation is false teaching. In truth, many of the early Jewish believers were slipping back into the rites and rituals of Judaism, consequently, Hebrews was written to encourage Hebrews believers to continue in the “new covenant” of Jesus Christ and stop acting like Hebrews under the Law. This is NOT “replacement theology”. Peter preached Grace through FAITH Salvation in Jesus christ to Jerusalem Hebrews ‘christians’ in Acts 15:7-11 before the “CHURCH” at Jerusalem. Repent, Geofffery..

    • Hebrews was written to the Jews then living – AND – it will be doctrine for the Jews in the time of Jacob’s trouble. Hebrews teaches a WORKS BASED salvation, it doe not teach salvation by grace through faith alone, and it does not teach eternal security as we read in Ephesians. As such, it cannot be doctrine for Christians in the age of grace.

      • Geoffrey, I like your article, it was very good and the information on the NIV taking out “Bonds” was very interesting. I will have to dig out a 15 year old electronic NIV version and put batteries in it. Here’s where you went a little astray, when you said there are many doctrinal differences between the book of Hebrews and all of Paul’s known writings. Paul, for example, teaches the doctrine of eternal security from Romans to Philemon, while the book of Hebrews teaches a works-plus-faith salvation. As “carrierwave” wrote, you are taking Hebrews and making it another dispensation. (I would be careful, my brother) We are saved by Grace through Faith, lest any man should boast. You write: Hebrews teaches a works-plus-faith salvation. I am very sorry but you need to stop and think about that statement. Does God not preserve Holy Writ throughout the ages? (God forbid, any true Christian would say “No”) It almost sounds like you’re saying God has made a mistake? I think you are trying to find as you say: “Advanced Revelation” and by doing so, you have stepped into heretical doctrine of your own. I am not trying to call you a heretic, because I believe you are not. God is the sole author & finisher of our Faith and it’s that Gift (“HIS” first loving us) which allows us to believe in the atoning works of God incarnate “Jesus the Christ”. There is “NO” works based doctrine in the New Testament and to come to the conclusion that it is for the Tribulation saints is quite the stretch. We are saved “UNTO” good works. I think you might have set this aside in your thinking, Jesus said All that the Father gives to “ME” will come and of all that come to “ME” “not one” is lost. Geoffrey, this saddens me that you would take this road on salvation (even in part) During the 7 years of Tribulation or the Time of Jacob’s trouble. At the 3 1/2 year mark (When the beast/antichrist is fatally wounded) The two Witnesses appear and start their ministry, as well as the 144,000 (12,000 from each tribe) who are enlivened to the truth, that Jesus Christ is the Only Way, the Only Truth and the Only Life. These newly blessed Jewish believers in Jesus Christ will start declaring the truth to all to whom God alone has Chosen to Eternal Life. Nobody can gain or LOSE Salvation through works, whether he be Jew or Gentile, rich or poor, free or slave etc. People who hold to this Doctrine of losing or gaining their Salvation are on a very heretical path and are not led by God the Holy Spirit. It makes God arbitrary and capricious and God is neither. I don’t mean to be mean, if I am coming across as such. I believe we all (That is “ALL” True Christians) no matter how much we know or think we know, get off track, in order to be humbled and to grow. I know I have!!! so please don’t take this as anything but correction and please pray about it. God Bless, Frank Hanson

        • Well then, so according to you no one actually has to “endure to the end” in the time of Jacob’s trouble then, right? Because that’s a work, you know, enduring….

          • Wow, Sorry if you were offended? Why would you put words in my mouth? I showed brotherly love to you and in return, i get a dead sarcastic comment. Wow, you must be convicted. If your works are taken from you Geoffrey, are you fearful? By your works, men shall know you. Every comment you make is either a good work or a bad work (no gray area) and you say that someone “Jewish” is held to a different standard? No works can save, not 1 or 1 milion. Are you (Geoffrey Grider) saying that Jesus is a liar and that God the Holy Spirit inspired Paul with the wrong understanding of Salvation? Romans 9:10-16 KJV- And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
            (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, NOT OF WORKS, but of him that calleth;)
            It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
            So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. I am so sorry if you were offended, that truly was not my intent. Please just remember…Pride goeth before the fall!!! Again God Bless & I will pray for you. Frank

        • David Kaus

          Great Post Frank Hanson

          Don’t be too ofended brother by the response you got from Geoffrey Grider.

          Geoffrey Grider simply can not rightfully divide the Word of God, nor can he understand when some one shows him his error with Scripture, nor does he have any desire to do so. His new revelations are certainly not coming from God. The only means he continually resorts to is deception, and misinformation about what the topic really is, or simply brings up another topic. Having gone down that road with him, and seeing his response to you once again verifies that. He has gone from a works salvation to a faith plus works salvation in Acts 2:38 which he say is not in the age of grace. He definitely has heretical doctrine.

          There is nothing in Scripture that teaches a works salvation nor a faith plus works salvation. You have noted correctly in your post below that he can’t respond to your comments directly but rather resorts to putting words in your mouth, and being sarcastic. By his works brother we have certainly come to know him.

          God bless, brother

        • David Kaus

          Hello again Frank Hanson

          I have a post below on Geoffrey Grider’s works salvation you might be interested in.

    • “Carrierwave…”

      There are a few problems with what you posted above…

      One… So what if (quote) “Timothy was still alive.” He has NOTHING to do with the Book of Hebrews, only that Paul mentions him in the last chapter. (Hebrews 13:23) How do you know that Hebrews thirteen wasn’t written many years AFTER he penned chapters one through twelve? If you don’t see the difference in the style of writing here, I can’t help you. You are correct, “Hebrews” was written EARLY ON by Paul who had previously sat at the feet of Gamaliel to real live Hebrews in the first century. (Don’t forget the YEARS he spent in the desert–Galatians one.) That might explain the difference in the style of writing and the fact that there was no sacrifice for sin if someone “wilfully” sinned (Hebrews 10:26) after they got saved by grace through faith (Ephesians two).

      Two… So what if (quote) “Timothy was still alive.” He was Paul’s SON in the faith (I Timothy 1:2) who died in Macedonia, in 97 A.D. Wouldn’t you expect your son to outlive you?

      Three… So what if (quote) “Timothy was still alive.” He was an UNCIRCUMCISED half GREEK (–a half breed) that Paul took under his wing, that he circumcised (Acts 16:1-3) for conscience sake, maybe sixteen to seventeen years after he got saved (Acts nine) and God gave him the understanding that the Jews “religion” (Galatians 1:13-14) that he grew up in was no good–giving him something “better…”

      Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

      Hebrews 6:9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

      Hebrews 7:7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.

      Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

      Hebrews 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

      Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

      Hebrews 9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

      Hebrews 10:34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.

      Hebrews 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

      Hebrews 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

      Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

      Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things that that of Abel.

      Four… So what if (quote) “Timothy was still alive.” You think you know something,”Carrierwave,” when in reality you are the one who needs to “repent” like you demanded of Geoffrey Grider–when all he has done was appeal to his audience to “RIGHTLY divide” the scripture. Shame on you for thinking that there are no scriptures that are dedicated to those JEWS who will be left behind at the PRE-tribulation rapture of the Church (the body of CHRIST) to go into GREAT Tribulation during the time of “Jacob’s” troubles.

      Pastor Bob

      • Lewis county hillbilly

        Ja, Klaus. Sagen sie das wunderbarlich

  • wildrover

    Geof,
    You got some pretty cool insights. Did you learn this stuff yourself or did Holy Spirit teach you? Glad I found your website.

    • Oliver

      Mr. Grider, please tell. Your articles have assited me quit a bit in my personal studies. Did you receive theological education, glean from bible expositors? Where did your knowledge come about, and how many hours generally does preparation and research for an article take you to write? Keep feeding the masses! Thank You.

      • From the moment I got saved in 1991, the Holy Spirit gave me a strong desire to study His word. And along the way God has sent me some really good Bible teachers like Clarence Larkin, Peter Ruckman and others over the years. I honestly can’t answer your question about article preparation time because study happens all the time. Have no way to know how many hours a week I study, a couple of dozen maybe. But this article took about two hours to write, after researching the topic for years. The Lord opened my eyes to Hebrews 10:34, and gave me the breadcrumb trail to follow where I found the rest of the information.

        Thanks for writing!

    • I believe in the Biblical principle of God sending people who know the Bible to teach those who don’t, as we see in Acts 8 here:

      “Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.” Acts 8:29-31 (KJV)

      God has very graciously sent me great Bible teachers along in my journey, and has blessed me with a teacher’s heart to want to share what He has shown me with others.

      • Oliver

        You truly have a gift. Many thanks, sir.

  • NataLie

    Matthew 15:24King James Version (KJV)
    24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    If you are not part of Israel, you aren’t going. It’s that simple.

    Revelation 21:12
    12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

    There’s only 12 gates coming down with the New Jerusalem. Not a separate gate for the “church”.

    When the 10 northern tribes were dispersed they lost their identity and became Gentiles. The Gentiles are part of the lost sheep of the house of Israel. The “Jews” are the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. It’s all right there. All you have to do is come to Jesus as child who knows nothing. Forget all the false doctrines you’ve been taught and LET Jesus show you the Truth.

    • Jesus said those things in Matthew 15 because He did only come for Israel, He never came to build a church. He came for HIS PEOPLE, and that was not me and you if you’re a gentile. But when the Jews rejected the preaching of Stephen in Acts 7, then God decided to build a church composed mostly of GENTILE believers. In Acts 8, the first gentile believe, a black man, got saved. In Acts 9 Saul becomes Paul and the rest is (church) history. Israel is not the church and the church is not Israel.

      After the Rapture happens, the Jews and not the church, will go through the time of Jacob’s trouble.Why do you think it’s called the time of Jacob’s trouble anyway?

      “Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.” Jeremiah 30:7 (KJV)

      • Natalie

        The Gentiles are those who cannot trace their family line back to Israel (Jacob). The “Gentiles” were dispersed throughout all the nations. This is spoken of all throughout the “Old” Testament through the prophets. The Gentiles are referred as Ephraim and Joesph all throughout the bible. The Gentiles coming to know Jesus was not a new thing. I’m sorry but i don’t understand how y’all cannot see this. Basically, to you, Paul’s writings are the only thing that matters for the “church”. If that’s the case, the “church” should quit quoting scripture outside of Paul. It’ll do no good if you only believe Paul.

      • char

        Geoffrey, right on! You are correct all the way re: Jews and Gentiles (the church). Natalie, not so much. Geoffrey, the way I understand it is that there are NO Gentiles in the Old Testament, only Jews, so I think Natalie is a little mixed up. God Bless you! You must have broad shoulders to take all the guff that’s dished out to you, but you set yourself up for it on some of these posts, you know! lol

        • Plenty of gentiles in the Old Testament, the Jews didn’t start until Abraham.

        • Natalie

          Char, read your bible. No Gentiles in the Old Testament? You have got to be kidding. It’ll all come out in the end. Dusting my shoes off and walking on.

  • eddie

    Geoffrey,

    Great article. I don’t understand all the doubt about who wrote the book of Hebrews. All my KJV’s clearly state the author at the beginning of the book: ‘The Epistle of PAUL the Apostle to the HEBREWS’.
    But I too have seen the hints contained in the epistle that leave no doubt of who the author was.

    • John C

      The first word in Hebrews 1:1 I’d the author of Hebrews.

  • ROSSANO WAGNER

    THE NEW AGE LUCIFERIAN INITIATION
    http://www.letusreason.org/NAM19.htm

  • Jesus will indeed deal with the real jews as he says he will…and there are plenty of real jews. However…as recent DNA tests indicate, most of the jews(90%) we know in america and europe aren’t semitic (seed of Abraham) jews. That is why they are white and are not brown. Ehud Eliak, an ashkenazi (aka german aka european jew) who is a geneticist from Johns Hopkins did one of 2 studies proving, against his interest, that ashkenazi jews are not jewish and have never had relatives from israel. They are converts from central asia. DNA DNA DNA. They are false, Talmud loving Kabbalahists, whom Jesus addresses directly in Revelation 2:9 an 3:9 below:
    “9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”

    Here is an article on the DNA tests. (I haven’t watched Steven Anderson’s movie and I think he is a liar and I certainly haven’t seen any hint of the spirit of Christ in him ever!):
    http://forward.com/news/israel/175912/jews-a-race-genetic-theory-comes-under-fierce-atta/?p=all

    These people, the Khazar’s, converted to judaism in the 700’s while in central asia(while in between Islam and Byzantine christianity) and ultimately migrated to eastern europe. They embraced the Talmud and jewish mysticism over the Torah…that is why so many jews we know aren’t “religious” yet often embrace Kabbalah. That…is how the population of “jews” became so huge in the 1900″s, when so few survived the Roman destruction of 70 AD. The true semitic jews spread out across north africa, Yemen, Iraq, and even Iran. Interestingly, what has happened in the world has forced their return to Israel too, where they, the Mizrahi jews, are promptly discriminated against for being dark skinned by the american and european fake jews. It doesn’t really matter, because Jesus will do what he says he will do in the scriptures to the actual jews.

    Satan plays the long game.He did that with the new Bible versions and he invested in this deception 1,300 years ago..and it is helping build his kingdom now…yet Jesus reigns and his prophecies will all be fulfilled. Please don’t be deceived by the wicked and brilliant lie of zionism. God will do what he wants to do in his time, and satan can’t stop it. Read the DNA article, and look up the book the 13the Tribe by Arthur Koestler, another ashkenazi jew. There are several other jews who know this and talk about it openly. Shlomo Sands is but one. This blows up all we hold dear, yet it is true. God will take care of his people, none of which I know, so don’t waste time on false jews who are really the synagogue of satan.

    • Heather

      sola Scriptura
      I believe you posted this information one other time.The information you have provided and the way you presented it has been the best I have ever seen. Very interesting! I do love and support the Jewish people and the Nation of Israel.

      But it makes alot of sense seeing how most of the leaders in Israel are white but claim to be Jews and have infilterated the government. Most of these leaders are doing things against their own citizens just like we are seeing in most of all the other countries. It also makes sense when we see many American and European Jews who call themselves Jews go hatefully AGAINST
      Israel. Wow, so much deception. I’m so thankful that Jesus told us in His Word all the things He did. He warned us over, and over,
      and over again, about there being many deceptions coming in the end times.

      The Lord knows who the real Jews are. He know’s where they are, and He already knows all of who will turn to Him in the end.
      I agree 100% with Geoffrey! The Jews are God’s chosen people. Replacement theology IS completely demonic.
      God bless you brother!

      • Thank you Heather. It is interesting to have satan’s brilliant and well-played schemes uncovered. This is a critical one, as you can tell from world events, and most of the elite ashkenazi jews know about it…but they don’t dare speak it since it is so important it terms of the retaking of Jerusalem and the rise of the antichrist. Yet Jesus reigns and even in the midst of the enemy’s plans, his purposes are fulfilled. Peace and truth to you.

    • I don’t play the “who are the real Jews” game. To me, who the Jews are is quite obvious. The people living in Israel right now are the “real” Jews. My childhood friend Ian Wolfe is a “real” Jew.

      I am a Zionist, and happily so. Because I believe that all the land once given to Abraham belongs to the Jews. And one Day, it will be restored to them.

      • Sola scriptura

        The only reason the issue ever caught my eye was because of the words of Jesus in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, and realizing how deeply western “Jewish” culture is immeshed in the Talmud and Kabbalahesque doctrine. But ultimately, it doesn’t matter. There are real Jews and Jesus will deal with them as his word states…and nothing can interfere with that.

        • David Kaus

          Sola Scriptura

          I have a response to Geoffrey Grider’s works salvation below you might be interested in.

    • David Kaus

      Excellent post Sola Scriptura

      The Rothschild’s are from the Khazar’s, and are Ashkenazi Jews. Every Prime Minister of Israel has been an Ashkenazi Jew, even Golda Meir.

      The Rothschild’s build the Israeli Supreme Court which is filled with occult symbolism one such item being a pyramid with an all seeing eye. The Israeli Supreme Court Rothschild grove has the obelisk in it. It is the most commonly used and the most blatant occult symbol used throughout the world. In ancient Egypt, the cult of this phallic symbol was associated with the god Osiris. Alternative historians say the Rothschild’s are part of the infamous 13 bloodlines of the Illuminati, along with the Rockefellers and the Duponts.

      Shimon Peres and other leftest liberal Jews have done all they could to give Israeli land to the so called “Palestinians.”

      Netanyahu, the current Prime Minister, it seems has switched sides from the new world order CFR, Illuminati, in America, to the Illuminati of Europe. I knew one day Israel would turn to Europe to protect its interest, instead of America. Two thirds of the world’s population lies in Euro-Asia, and Europe is in land contact with Israel while America contends with an ocean to cross to protect its interest in the Middle East.

      You have presented some very interesting facts here Sola Scriptura, and no hyper, mindless, cheerleader ranting about Zionism can detract from them. Many orthodox Jews oppose Zionism. The rejection of Zionism is often interpreted as an act of treachery toward the Jewish people. Dr. Rabkin has studied Judaism with rabbis in Montreal, Paris and Jerusalem. He brings a lifetime of study and experience to his subject. Rabkin explains that Zionism was an invention of intellectuals and assimilated Jews who turned their back on the rabbis and aspired to modernity, seeking desperately for a remedy for their existential anxiety.” How ever you want to define “existential anxiety” the fact remains that the antisemetic Dreyfus affair in France inspired Theodor Herzl.

      Theodor Herzl the founder of Zionism grew to believe that antisemitism could not be defeated, and that the only way to avoid it was the establishment of a Jewish state. Herzl and most of his colleagues were assimilated Jews, who did not believe in or practice the Torah. Some Zionists were vehemently anti-religious, and saw the Torah and mitzvos as outdated rituals with no place in their modern state.

      With all of the above, and more, going on in Israel God’s purpose to one day bring the Jews to repentance for rejecting Jesus Christ the Messiah will eventually be fulfilled. In the mean time we see events in Israel moving to build a Third Temple which anti Christ will take over and then turn on the Jews killing two thirds of them.

      What all the evil plans of the Illuminati, new world order, Jews who say they are Jews but are not but are of the synagogue of satan, etc, God will eventually turn it for good, and to Glorify His Holy Name.

      Ezekiel 36:22

      “Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name’s sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.”

  • dominic demartino

    Clearly, Israel is Israel, and the Church is a living organism, the body of Christ. Speaking the truth in love, Ryan Hall you have been duped by Satan’s ministers. Get yourself a King James Bible and read it.

    If you claim that the Church is now Israel, you must also with that claim accept that you are currently blinded by God according to Romans 11:25:

    “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.”

    Also, you must with that accept Jacob’s trouble according to Jeremiah 30.

    Israel has always gone through ups and downs according to the Bible, yet there is a remnant that will be restored at the Second Advent (Zech. 9:9-10).

    BTW, the Babylonian Talmud is trash along with the other perverted scriptures (NIV, ESV, NKJV, etc.)

    (Ecclesiates 8:4) – “Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?”

  • Leonard

    Not saying you’re wrong Geoffrey–he WAS speaking to the jews, but with an eye toward their conversion, I think:

    Hebrews 9:12
    12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by His own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. (60 AD)

    What say you?

    • Oh he was totally aiming for their conversion at the time he wrote it, but it never came. In the time of Jacob’s trouble, however, it will come to pass.

  • Edwitness

    Geoffrey,
    You are a Godsend brother. The scripture falls together so well with the understanding that portions of the Bible are written ‘for all’ but not ‘to all’. The emphasis Paul was given to place on grace through faith is found in only varying degrees in the rest of the scripture. What an amazing gift to be part of the church age saints. And what a responsibility.
    Blessings:-}

    • Amen, brother, and thank you. Rightly dividing makes everything in the Bible make sense, and resolves all seeming contradictions.

  • Char

    Ohhhhhh, I guess I just thought they weren’t designated as anything (as in race) until he designated the Jews as Jews. Well, you learn something everyday, huh. Sorry Natalie, I was wrong in assuming you were wrong.

    • Natalie

      It’s fine. Never assume, though. Here’s a scripture to help understand.

      Ephraim (Gentiles) shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah (Jews) shall be cut off: Ephraim (Gentiles) shall not envy Judah (Jews), and Judah (Jews) shall not vex Ephraim (Gentiles) Isaiah 11:13.

      So, yes, the Jews are jeoulous of the Gentiles (Ephraim). The times coming when they’ll unite, though.

      • Why do you call Ephraim,Gentiles? Ephraim is the son of Joseph, and Jacob (Israel) Blessed the sons of Joseph in place of Joseph himself: And he blessed Joseph, and said: “God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, the God who has fed me all my life long to this day, The Angel who has redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; let my name (Israel) be named upon them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.” Now when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand on the head of Ephraim, it displeased him; so he took hold of his father’s hand to remove it from Ephraim’s head. And Joseph said to his father, “Not so, my father, for this one is the firstborn; put your right hand on his head.’ but his father refused and said, “I know, my son, I know. He also shall become a people, and he also shall be great; but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his descendants shall become a multitude of nations.” So he blessed them that day, saying, “By you Israel will bless, saying, ‘May God make you as Ephraim and as Manasseh!” And thus he set Ephraim before Manasseh. Genesis 48:15-20

        But now we go to Revelation 7:5-8 and the tribe of Manasseh is sealed and the tribe of Joseph but I do not see Ephraim there, Why? I am not asking because I know, but because I do not know.

  • Tilman

    Excellent article. Well done, thank you. I am just shocked about the discussion concerning Israel. Israel surely is NOT the church and cannot be since Jesus has founded his church on top of Israel when he held the last supper with his disciples. And btw it is CLEARLY stated in Deuteronomy that God will make Israel jealous by “those who are not a people”, doubtlessly referring to the heathens:

    They made me jealous by what is no god and angered me with their worthless idols.
    I will make them envious by those who are not a people; I will make them angry by a nation that has no understanding.
    Dtn 32:15

    There is so much confusion today since people seem to give more credit to messages of videos than to what’s written in the Bible. Thanks to the Holy Spirit who gives us counsel to understand his word.

  • “For Zion’s sake I will not hold My peace, and for Jerusalem’s sake I will not rest, until her righteousness goes forth as brightness, and her salvation as a lamp that burns. The gentiles shall see your righteousness, and all kings your glory. You shall be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD will name.” Isaiah 62:1, 2

    I do not believe Jesus came to start a new religion, but to finish an old one. “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.” Jesus came to fulfill the Law, the law of sacrifice, for He became the true Sacrifice. So when we keep trying to separate people, Jesus did not separate, He united people, for He said I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, not one goes to the Father but through Him. He even prays to the Father that we all walk as one.

    “I, the LORD, have called You in righteousness, and will hold Your hand; I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people, as a light to the Gentiles, to open blind eyes, to bring out prisoners from the prison, those who sit in darkness from the prison house.” This is speaking of Jesus, and here in Isaiah He is called a light to the Gentiles.

    Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for a light by day, the ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night, who disturbs the sea, and its waves roar (The LORD of hosts is His name): If those ordinances depart from before Me says the LORD, then the seed of Israel shall also cease from being a nation before Me forever….Jeremiah 31:35-40

    “Thus says the Lord God: “Enough, O princes of Israel! Remove violence and plundering, execute justice and righteousness, and stop dispossessing My people,” says the Lord God.” Ezekiel 45:9

    So why the war? Is God not big enough for all who believe in His Son? Who walk in His ways? Do we really think God’s ways are different for Israel and Christians, or do we believe God’s ways do not change? So I believe the book of Hebrews is for the people God feels that need it, as some of us do.

    Paul says in Romans 12:16: “Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.” We need to speak with more love when addressing each other on this web site, we are all searching for truth. For Paul also says in Galatians 5:15: “But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another!”

  • It is profecy that beloved FIG TREE is Is-Ra-El will be saved in the end and whoever mocks Apple Of the Eye the Gid Almighty will destroy.
    Repent you All.Shalom.

    • yeah and GUESS WHO CURSED the FIG TREE (Israel)???

      JESUS did. JESUS CURSED the fig tree and it WITHERED and DIED because it could not produce anymore fruit for the kingdom of God.

      Old Testament ISRAEL is DEAD and GONE.
      ONLY SATANIC FRAUDS exist in that FALSE/FAKE nation-state now.

  • Rosalie

    You’re nuts. The Bible is for everyone, forget “dispensations”. Everyone in the Old Testament who was saved was saved in their faith of the coming Redeemer. The Jews were supposed to accept their Redeemer, but they rejected Him, there was to be a flow from the Jews into Christianity, not to have two separate groups. The woman of Revelation 12 is the OT church and the NT church, it’s the same woman. You can’t pick and choose what was written to this-or-that bunch of people.

    The Jews rejected and killed the prophets and finally the Son of God; and the Son of God told them that “your house is left unto you desolate”, and the Apostle Paul said that since the Jews deemed themselves unfit for eternal life “lo, we turn to the Gentiles”.

    By your reasoning, we shouldn’t pay any attention to Paul’s letters written to the Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, to Timothy, etc, because we are not Ephesians, etc, and not all of us are named “Timothy”.

    I could go on, but I’ll stop myself. Thanks.

  • heee heee heee OH ROSALIE … i do not know you but I LOVE you already! 😀

    AAAAAAAAAAAAMEN!!! 😀
    I AGREE 100%!!!

    I LOVE it when someone else can also see Geoffrey’s EVIL.

    • TheGreatTroy

      Ryan Hall,

      You are truly lost.

      • seeing as you do not even know me, and your words “you are truly lost” ARE NOT AT ALL true, and seeing as how you are ONLY JUDGING by APPEARANCE and NOT using righteous judgment, I count you as a LIAR, sir.

        I WAS lost. Before 1993.
        You’d be far more accurate (and not a LIAR in SIN right NOW) had you repeated that, since i already mentioned it earlier.

        • TheGreatTroy

          Ryan Hall,

          You are truly lost. Turn towards The Light.

          • Can you NOT READ?
            Have you NOT read ANY of my other comments here?
            Or has Geoffrey Grider CENSORED the ones I was able to write here, too?
            HAVE YOU NOT read ANY of my other comments here?
            I have actually tried to make many more comments on this post but MANY of them have NOT gone through.

            Anyway, Christianity is NOT a “Poltergeist” Movie.
            AND THE BIBLE says that NO MAN can “turn towards the light” unless GOD BIDS HIM to come, FIRST.
            NO MAN comes to God unless God HIMSELF FIRST draws him.

            THE BIBLE says that. You’re NOT ABLE to discern or judge.
            IT IS YOU that ALSO needs the Light.
            The Devil has you blinded 🙁

  • May we deal with the text? The writer quotes Ps 110, “you are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.” The same oath that ends all argument. There was a change in priesthood and a change in the Law. Jesus is made a priest, not because of lineage, but because of the power of an endless life.(Ch 7) This is fact that is being presented to Jewish disciples. The implications are far-reaching. Membership is wide open. “God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.(11:40)” Only Paul could understand this clearly, and Peter states this very thing in his letter.

  • manzy

    i want more light in the issue of speaking in tongues

  • CHAR

    It’s too bad no one thinks Patricia Bradford is credible due to her naming herself an apostle. I’m pretty sure that if there were apostles in these days that they wouldn’t be women…..Now I’ll probably get lambasted for saying that, but I don’t remember any women apostles in Jesus’ earthly days. Just sayin’…..

  • David Kaus

    The book of Hebrews is very much for the Church age. Any preaching of a works salvation is heresy.

    The book of Hebrews warns the believing Jews who have been saved by Faith alone in Jesus Christ, and in His Blood Atonement, not to go back to the Levitical animal sacrifices for that would be rejecting the New Covenant and the Blood Atonement of Jesus Christ. The only sacrifice acceptable to God was then, and will always be, only the Blood Atonement of Jesus Christ.

    Since the book of Hebrews was written sometime before the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, the author of Hebrews wrote this book to warn the recipients about the peril of apostasy, since Levitical animal sacrifices where still taking place in Jerusalem.

    In order to guard the hearts of his readers against falling away, the author of Hebrews makes an effort throughout the book to demonstrate the absolute supremacy of Jesus Christ. This recurring theme is closely connected with the author’s understanding of the eschatological ramifications of Christ’s incarnation and redemptive work. Because of the themes it develops, Hebrews is one of the most significant books in the New Testament for understanding the relationship between the old and new covenants. It therefore is very much for the Church age.

    Notice also that during the tribulation that believers who have come to Christ by faith alone in Him, and not works, are also martyred during the tribulation, and therefore could not have endured unto the end. So according to Geoffrey Grider heretical statement that one needs to endure unto the end and obtain salvation by works is firmly once again refuted.

    Whether enduring unto the end or being martyred during the Tribulation ONLY faith in Jesus Christ saves.

    Revelation 12:11

    “And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.”

    The Dean Burgon Society defends the KJV. So today I ran Geoffrey Grider’s heretical statements on a works salvation by one of its leading members. This is his response below.

    “When both the book of Hebrews and the teachings of Paul are rightly understood there are no doctrinal differences between Paul’s writings in Hebrews and his other books. There is much misinterpretation of Hebrews as there is in Paul’s other letters.”

    “The Holy Spirit (when the age of grace was completely established) is received upon genuine salvation, not at some subsequent time.”

    I then discussed Acts 2:38 with the same member of the Dean Burgon Society.

    Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    And this is the response I got from him.

    “The word, “for” in this verse means “because of” and does not imply salvation by works.”

    Do NOT buy one word of Geoffrey Grider’s WORKS salvation, they are heretical. His “new revelations” are not brought forth from the KJV, but rather from his carnal, vain mind.

  • Geoffrey Grider,

    While I’ve enjoyed your website and recommended it a few times, unfortunately, after reading this article and then others in relation, I cannot in good conscious do that any longer.

    While so much more could be said, the book of Hebrews does not teach “a works-plus-faith salvation” indeed, it teaches the very opposite, and the author is not “talking to Jews, under the Law” he is talking to his “holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling” Heb 3:1, 12; 10:19; 13:22. The entire book is about the superiority of Jesus Christ and of the New Covenant over the Old Covenant.

    Furthermore, those in the Old Testament were not saved by “a works-plus-faith” system, and there is nothing in Scripture that says those in the Tribulation will be saved by “a works-plus-faith” system.

    “For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it [his faith] was counted unto him for righteousness.” Romans 4:3
    (Genesis 15:6; Isaiah 53; Luke 24:25–27, 44–47; Acts 3:13–26; Romans 1:16-17; Romans 4; Romans 10:9-10; Galatians 3; Colossians 2; 1 Peter 1:10-12; Hebrews 10:38; Revelation 7:14, 12:11, etc., etc.)

    Proper exegesis involves the recognition that Scripture interprets Scripture; the only one correct interpretation of Scripture is the interpretation of the Author of Scripture, God the Holy Spirit. If your ‘interpretation’ contradicts Scripture, which it does, your ‘interpretation’ is wrong. If your ‘interpretation’ makes Scripture contradict Scripture, which it does, your ‘interpretation’ is wrong. What you’ve done here is plain old eisegesis of Scripture, which is what those who adhere to replacement theology do, the difference being, you’re reading what is clearly ultra-dispensationalism into the text.

  • Eliyahu Klimek

    Gentiles are the northern tribes of Israel. They are not non-Israelites, though they are non-Jews, i.e. non Jewish Israelites. The word ‘Gentile’ (s.) means ‘nation’, so when someone says, “I am a Gentile,” or “you are a Gentile”, they reveal their ignorance: no individual is a ‘nation’.

  • To put it most simply.
    The ‘chosen’ people rejected the capstone, their messiah.
    This allowed Gentiles to be saved as well. We even have Peter talking about this in acts 11.
    So.
    We have two groups.
    We have the church body of Jesus Christ that has a melting pot of ALL people that once were Pharisees, Jews, Gentiles, Islam, atheists, you name it, etc; but became believers of Jesus.
    We have people who are not who reject Christ.

    In heaven the folks surrounding him are believers, and this notion of Jews/Isreal/Whatever as having some priority over everyone else *STILL* is fictional. They lost that privilege.
    The people trying to prove otherwise with Romans ‘jew first’ are taking it out of context.

    I would define it further in an even simpler term, to say its more of an Israel becoming Christians than Christians become Israel.
    God is no respecter of persons and he loves all of us the same. He died for all, so that we all may have life in Him.

    • But then he pretty much lost any cred when he said not to ever look past the King James and never into the Greek or Hebrew.

  • Emery

    Writer: Paul
    Place Written: Rome
    Writing Completed: c. 61 C.E.
    PAUL is best known as the apostle “to the nations.” But was his ministry confined to the non-Jews? Not at all! Just before Paul was baptized and commissioned for his work, the Lord Jesus said to Ananias: “This man [Paul] is a chosen vessel to me to bear my name to the nations as well as to kings and the sons of Israel.” (Acts 9:15; Gal. 2:8, 9) The writing of the book of Hebrews was truly in line with Paul’s commission to bear the name of Jesus to the sons of Israel.

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