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Pakistani Christian Asia Bibi Told To ‘Convert To Islam Or Die’

| August 26, 2013

Asia Bibi in jail for Jesus

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More and more people join the crowd as they push me towards the home of the village headman. I recognize the house — it’s the only one that has a garden with grass growing in it. They throw me to the ground. The village imam speaks to me: “I’ve been told you’ve insulted our Prophet. You know what happens to anyone who attacks the holy Prophet Mohammed. You can redeem yourself only by conversion or death.”

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Told to convert to Islam or die, Christian Asia Bibi remains in jail awaiting her fate.

“I haven’t done anything! Please! I beg you! I’ve done nothing wrong!”

The qari with his long, well-combed beard, turns to Musarat and the three women who were there on the day of the falsa harvest.

“Did she speak ill of Muslims and our holy Prophet Mohammed?”

“Yes, she insulted them,” replies Musarat, and the others join in:

“It’s true, she insulted our religion.”

“If you don’t want to die,” says the young mullah, “you must convert to Islam. Are you willing to redeem yourself by becoming a good Muslim?”

Sobbing, I reply:

“No, I don’t want to change my religion. But please believe me, I didn’t do what these women say, I didn’t insult your religion. Please have mercy on me.”

I put my hands together and plead with him. But he is unmoved.

“You’re lying! Everyone says you committed this blasphemy and that’s proof enough. Christians must comply with the law of Pakistan, which forbids any derogatory remarks about the holy Prophet. Since you won’t convert and the Prophet cannot defend himself, we shall avenge him.”

He turns on his heel and the angry crowd falls on me. I’m beaten with sticks and spat at. I think I’m going to die. Then they ask me again:

“Will you convert to a religion worthy of the name?”

“No, please, I’m a Christian, but I beg you . . . ”

And they go on beating me with the same fury as before.

I was barely conscious and could hardly feel the pain of my wounds by the time the police arrived. Two policemen threw me in their van, to cheers from the angry crowd, and a few minutes later I was in the police station in Nankana Sahib.

In the police chief’s office they sat me down on a bench. I asked for water and compresses for the wounds on my legs, which were streaming with blood. A young policeman threw me an old dishcloth and spat out at me:

“Here, and don’t get it everywhere.”

One of my arms really hurt and I thought it might be broken. Just then I saw the qaricome in with Musarat and her gang. With me sitting there they told the police chief that I insulted the Prophet Mohammed. From outside the police station I could hear shouts:

“Death to the Christian!”

After writing up the report the policeman turned and called to me in a nasty voice:

“So what have you got to say for yourself?”

“I’m innocent! It’s not true! I didn’t insult the Prophet!”

Immediately after I’d protested my innocence I was manhandled into the police van and driven away. During the journey I passed out from pain and only came back to myself as we were arriving at Sheikhupura prison, where I was thrown into a cell.

Since that day I haven’t left prison. source – New York Post

Excerpted with permission from “Blasphemy: A Memoir” by Asia Bibi as told to Anne-Isabelle Tollet, published by Chicago Review Press.

About the Author:

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  1. Teresa B says:

    Richard Wumbrands Totured for Christ was the 1st I read so powerful. I pray for all Persecuted Christians, and please keep Praying for the Pastor in Iran. He is dying and who know what will happen if War breaks. Thanks, In Jesus Name

  2. glenn dupuis says:

    American believers need to get busy and quit looking for the pre-trib rapture.Christians are being killed and tortured and churches burned and they think it can’t happen here or the Lord will remove us before anything happens.I don’t feel that way.Pray for the Christians in the middle east and in other countries where they are used to persecution.

    • Heather says:

      “American believers need to get busy and quit looking for the pre-trib rapture”

      Prayers are always in order over the evils and suffering of this world, no bones about that, but quit looking? The Bible, in many places, teaches at length and commands to be always looking for and ready for the return of the Lord Jesus, and as a thief in the night, to be always looking for that blessed hope: the Lord has spoken thus. But I’ll take it under advisement glenn dupuis has spoken to the contrary.

      • Teresa B says:

        I am not looking anywhere but in the Book. I don’t have time to understand what I read on here. Blessings in Jesus Name

        • Heather says:

          Amen to the Book! And not having the time? In this case, that’s such a blessing, unless, of course, you find falling down the rabbit hole normal, which I did around kindergarten. (There’s truth, then there’s the web. LOL!)

      • Ron Murphy says:

        What Glenn said is right, because what he said is what we do to look for Jesus’ return to be ready. That is our way of gold to buy raiment from Him.

        Rev_3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

      • What does a pretrib. rapture belief have to do with it??? Every Christian will not be a martyr. Persecution is coming to America. However, plenty of Christians in peace time lived and served God then died and went to Heaven and were not severely treated or persecuted. Only the blood purifies the people of God they do not have to get beat or their head cut off to earn salvation! It is God’s business what He allows where, when and how?? His grace is sufficient for whatever we face. One is not martyred because another is… but the martyr receives a reward reserved only for a martyr.

        • Teresa B says:

          Hi thank you, all this Trib/Pre Tib argument is not something I am new to in such a heated way for sure,having said that, I so agree w you although not sure why, that’s how much I know! I just know what is required of me to meet the Lord, my brain cant handle more than that! I hope you are blessed w a great day and eve,

  3. This man will rule the nations. He will be a fellow heir to Jesus Christs throw and kingdom rule. God bless this man and many others like him.

  4. Teresa B says:

    http://www.activistpost.com/2013/08/has-cias-phoenix-program-been.html

    I was young during Vietnam so perhaps those of you who correlate this and truth might expound? thank you and the Lords Blesings to you

  5. Anyone doubtful we are nearing the end needs only to watch news clip of Miley Cyrus doing the jezebel watusi.

    Another Disney harlot

  6. Jesus says:

    Mohammad is a
    Murderer and satanic Islam is the anti Christ and will be defeated Jesus doesn’t threaten anyone with murder or torture if the don’t believe in him
    Islam blasphemies the living god of Israel

    But David defeated Goliath just like all good people will defeat the evil satan

  7. STL says:

    DC: Is these people suffering enough to be allowed to be caught up to heaven as the Rapture before the tribulation or do you think more of these people who believes in the faith of Jesus Christ should go into the Tribulation and suffer moe, because as you stated we have not suffered enough for our Savior?

    • (Hebrews 9:27 KJV) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

      Only God knows how.

      (Mark 8:34 KJV) And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

    • Heather says:

      Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

      1 Thessalonians 1:8-10 For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad; so that we need not to speak any thing. For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

      1 Thessalonians 5:9-10 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

      John 14:1-3 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

      Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

      Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

      Revelation 5:9-10 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; and hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

      Jude 1:14-15 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Revelation 19:11-14)

      http://lamblion.com/articles/articles_rapture7.php

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

        Escape what!!! All these things? All what things? the things that shall come to pass. What thing that come to pass?

        Luk 21:26 Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

        Oh those things!

      • (Luke 21:36 KJV+) Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape G1628 all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

        G1628
        ἐκφεύγω
        ekpheugō
        ek-fyoo’-go
        From G1537 and G5343; to flee out: – escape, flee.

        Escape also means flee. No catching away there. hmmmmm

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Okay, Brother, that maybe expectable but we can not deny the next part of that line. To stand before the Son of Man, that is the rapture my friend. How else would one flee this world. But the fact that Jesus was referring to the wrath of God and not the great tribulation is more realistic, as the powers of the heavens will be shaken in those days and in these things, referring to these things of wrath, which shall come to pass..

          Some thing here. What was Jesus referring to?

          Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

          Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

          Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
          Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds< of heaven with power and great glory.

          Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

          We just had the 5th seal which was near the end of the tribulation period and now we have the signs of the rapture here in the 6th seal.
          And as Matt. 24:30 states, “all the tribes of the earth mourn”, is seen in these verses, still in the 6th seal :

          Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
          Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
          Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

          The very next verses, Rev. 7:1-3 we see the 4 angels ready to hurt the earth with the wrath of God.

          Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
          Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
          Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      The sufferings of this world are not compared to the sufferings of our faith in Christ Jesus. They are much more pure in the eyes of God, and very precious to Him. We all has suffered things of this world, bare your cross and follow.

  8. STL says:

    Typo= moe=more

  9. Heather:
    1 Thessalonians 1:8-10 For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad; so that we need not to speak any thing. For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

    1 Thessalonians 5:9-10 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

    The word of the Lord is wonderful. I love it so much. Lets start with, where is the pre trib ratpure mentioned in this verse? Its not, and I see we are making assumptions again. O I see now. Thank you.

    Understanding the Day of The Lord wrath and when it comes helps tremendously. This should help you get started.

    (Revelation 6:12 KJV) And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

    (Revelation 6:13 KJV) And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

    Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

    Hmmm same signs as Jesus said in Matthew 24, look further cause this is when Jesus said he will gather together his elect. But what happens after that.

    (Revelation 6:17 KJV) For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

    You are correct we are raptured then the Lords wrath comes. We are not appointed to the Lords wrath. But again understanding the difference between the Great tribulation and the Lords wrath is the issue. It comes from not understanding or studying the Day of the Lord and when it takes place. The day of the Lord is tied to the signs in the sun, moon, stars. Jesus said IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION those signs in sun, moon and stars happen and we are gathered. Revelation shows us we are gathered and the Lords wrath comes again Immediately after the Tribulation after we are gathered, which is very clearly illustrated in Revelation 6:12-17. :)

    Heather:
    John 14:1-3 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

    The word of the Lord is wonderful. I love it so much. Lets start with, where is the pre trib ratpure mentioned in this verse? Its not, and I see we are making assumptions again. O I see now no pre tribulation rapture mentioned at all. Thank you.

    I have to ask now as well. Is this talking to the Jews since Jesus is talking to the same disciples he was talking to in Matthew 24? Matthew 24 is the only gospel the church is mentioned in. See Matthew 16:18 and Matthew 18:17. Sure seems like Matthew 24 was to the church since again in those verses the same disciples are present.
    Amen Jesus is preparing a place for us. He will come again and we will be with him.

    Heather:
    Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

    The word of the Lord is wonderful. I love it so much. Lets start with, where is the pre trib ratpure mentioned in this verse? Its not and I see we are making assumptions again. O I see now no pre tribulation rapture mentioned at all. Thank you.

    Yes John was called up hither. Where was John and what was he going through?

    (Revelation 1:9 KJV) I John, who also am your brother, and companion IN TRIBULATION, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    Ahhhhh I see now John was IN TRIBULATION WHEN HE WAS CALLED UP HITHER. Again Thank you.

    Heather:
    Revelation 5:9-10 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; and hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

    The word of the Lord is wonderful. I love it so much. Lets start with, where is the pre trib ratpure mentioned in this verse? Its not and I see we are making assumptions again. O I see now no pre tribulation rapture mentioned at all. Thank you.

    (Revelation 5:8 KJV) And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and FOUR AND TWENTY ELDERS fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

    Are you one of the four and twenty elders? Your not. I see and understand now. Thank you.

    Heather:
    Jude 1:14-15 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Revelation 19:11-14)

    The word of the Lord is wonderful. I love it so much. Lets start with, where is the pre trib ratpure mentioned in this verse? Its not and I see we are making assumptions again. O I see now no pre tribulation rapture mentioned at all. Thank you.

    Yes the Lord is Returning isn’t it Great!!

    DID I LEAVE ANYTHING OUT? O looks like I did. Let me allow this wonderful follower of Jesus Christ explain the two I left out for you.

    Heather:
    Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

    Heather:
    Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

    ……….

    • (Revelation 22:16 KJV) I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the CHURCHES. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

      (Revelation 22:21 KJV) The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

      I find it quite interesting that the entire book of Revelation is to the churches and we are all wished the Grace of Jesus Christ to finish it off.

      Amen. Thanks be to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

  10. Heather says:

    I’ve long thought Islam in this world is, actually, doomed. There was the Ottoman experience, no need to go into that but to say the history of psychos is repeating. The thing is, when you treat people with such vile disregard and violence, when you show yourselves to be vicious barbarians, and I’m saying take God, Christian or Muslim out of the equation: nobody wants to be treated this way, as simply a human being. And I know I abhor violence, would not wish to do any harm to anybody short of self defense, and would not wish to even then, never, ever for how much I disliked or disagreed with anybody, and this part of having a Christian conscience, but pagans in the West have respect for others’ persons. Yet I see an article like this, what they did to that woman, and if I had an automatic weapon, little ‘ol Bible thumpin’ me would give them one chance to cease and start running like hell, barring that, mow them down, then ask what’s for lunch. There’s the grotesque, the hideous and abhorrent, torturing this woman like torturing a child, and I don’t think you have to have any faith for many people to see the abhorrence of this, pick up a gun and say enough is enough, if I could see doing this. So, if the Lord tarries, this Islam crap is going to have a real heads-on with the civilized world, just like the Christian-Muslim wars of the Middle Ages, and they’re going down again. It may be within their own nations the backlash comes. Look at Iran, big nuclear power aspirations, woooooo! One Western submarine and that nation is out of business chasing their Mahdi delusion, permanently, two nukes at Mecca and Medina and there are Four Pillars of Islam, and the West is not going Sharia, when the dust settles around these Muslim squeaky wheels making all the noise: as true as ever, most of the world hates what are just vicious morons, even other sane Muslims. Look at what happened to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. The stench is just too much for humans to long tolerate, where there’s been any civilization. Islam, one way or another, is just doomed, especially when the worst of them are Neanderthal cowards, who get their jollies torturing and raping defenseless women! They’re doomed, against any enemy who has brains, and their worst enemy is themselves. They’re also going to get their butts so kicked, as usual, if they take on Israel again, fear Israel will suffer in this case, but they’re just doomed, charging towards that footnote in history. Yes, pray for this woman and all God’s children!

    Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

    Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

  11. Teresa B says:

    This is to all of you. Do you see why it is so hard for me on here? I have said I don’t understand half what you say and yet it makes sense to me. My Brain does not work that way, I have to absorb, check resource, of more than one. I cant get that here, sides are split on Scripture. Thank you, Blessings and good night.

    • Your suppose to read scripture and seek God for guidance in what you do not understand.

      (Psalms 48:14 KJV) For this God is our God for ever and ever: he will be our guide even unto death.

      (John 16:13 KJV) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

      • Teresa B says:

        Good Morning DC, I do, It is obvious tho you do not understand, I should not have spoken. thank you, take care have a Blessed day DC

        • Ilona says:

          Teresa, I believe when D. City made the statement, “You’re suppose to read scripture and seek God for guidance in what you do not understand”, he was replying to you saying, “I have to absorb, check resource, of more than one.” God’s Holy Word is the ONLY source to check if these things are so. (Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily , whether those things were so.)

          • Teresa B says:

            Hi Ilona, you are most likely correct, and things come out of my mouth wrong. By source, I meant you all. I read your differences which I will never understand, no matter, I then go read my Bible and still left confused by all the difference Is all. You have a great day, Blessings to you,

          • Its kinda like this as far as the differences Teresa.

            Some people read this verse here:

            Isaiah 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.

            Then they assume nuclear weapons will be used upon reading that verse.

            Then some of us read that verse and do not add or assume a nuclear weapon at all cause the verse doesn’t say it.

            Does that mean a nuclear weapon will not be used. Not necessarily. But at the same time should we be assuming these sorts of things if Gods word does not say it. No we shouldn’t.

            Thats how differences come into the equation.

            Similar things happen with the pre tribulation rapture. Not one verse in the bible says we will be gathered or caught up before the tribulation. So to come to the pre trib rapture conclusion they must assume things. Gods words do not say.

          • Teresa B says:

            ok. I guess I thought some things were not open to interpretation or discussion, actually nothing.Thank you for that elementary explanation! I appreciate everyone putting up w my whatever and accept my simple mind!! :)

          • Teresa B says:

            this is to much like a test. I do understand what you say, but when I was in Studies, we all had diff Bibles, the Leader KJ, and after discussion it always came back to KJ meanings. So what yo write, my head said 3 in One, Father, Son, Holy Spirit/Ghost. The Godhead. No?

          • 1 John 5:7
            King James Version (KJV)
            7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

            Is that clear enough for you?

          • Tracy says:

            @Teresa B., Please don’t get confused by all the opinions on this site. It has caused me, sometimes, to get discouraged as well, because we know not everyone is right about biblical interpretations . Even the most educated Biblical scholars don’t agree on everything regarding prophecy. Just keep reading your Bible and let God direct YOUR paths. He will do what He says.
            Blessings

          • Exactly what I said to begin with. :)

            (Psalms 48:14 KJV) For this God is our God for ever and ever: he will be our guide even unto death.

            (John 16:13 KJV) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

          • Teresa B says:

            did I not say that? isn’t the Word Jesus/Son? I think I will quit w this while I am behind, thanks! :)

          • Teresa B says:

            yes mam just not used to the disagreements, as I said in studies always had discussions, but no one left w a diff interpretation but what was meant if that makes sense, and my Pastor or Leaders always had a KJ. Thanks!

  12. Heather says:


    Teresa B:

    I cant get that here, sides are split on Scripture. Thank you, Blessings and good night.

    Maybe check your pharmacy for something like Dr. Exegee’s Side Split Powders. LOL! Yes, sometimes enough is enough. Blessings and a good night to you, too.

    • Teresa B says:

      Good Morning, I repeatedly have questioned how that can be as I was not raised that way and get no answer except KJ is the only Bible that will teach.. Then I ask self, how can that be, you see I only have a blk and wht and no grey area.Then I say self, why all the hullabaloo on NIV changing an original word to another w same meaning. THEN I just read the interpetations everyone posts differently. No I don’t belong on here but I stay, only God knows why! Have a blessed day

      • There is a big difference between the KJV and NIV.

        Here is what the NIV says about the God Head..

        1 John 5:7
        New International Version (NIV)

        7 For there are three that testify:

        Now lets look at what Gods word really says.

        1 John 5:7
        King James Version (KJV)

        7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

        Seems to me that is a huge difference then simply replacing a word with a different word that means the same thing.

        You see they didn’t just replace a word with a different word that means the same thing at all. THEY TOOK OUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF WORDS AND VERY IMPORTANT WORDS.

        SEE THE THREE THAT TESTIFY ARE ONE IN THE SAME. THESE THREE ARE ONE

        Thats very important to understanding. In fact that little name study I gave you a few posts earlier would not make any sense if we used the NIV translation. Which I am quite sure God had no part in translating due to the fact that God would not leave something that important out. God mentions what happens to people who add to or take away from his words as well.

        (Revelation 22:19 KJV) And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

        So its very important Teresa. Hope that helps answer your question and understanding.

  13. Debra says:

    Amen Glenn! John 15: 20
    Remember, the word that I said to you. The servant is not greater than his Lord. If they have PERSECUTED ME, they will also PERSECUTE YOU; if they have kept MY SAYING, they will keep YOURS TOO.

    (21) But all these things will they do to you for MY NAME’S SAKE, because they know not HIM that SENT ME!

    I Corinthians 4: 12 And labor, working with our hands; being reviled, we bless; being PERSECUTED, we suffer it.

    2 Corinthians 4:9 PERSECUTED, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed.

    (10) Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life of Jesus might be manifest in Our body.

    (11) For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus’ sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

    2 Corinthians 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man PERISH, yet the inward man is renewed DAY BY DAY.

    (17) For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, works for us a far exceeding and eternal weight of glory.

    Be strong and great courage brothers and sisters who are being PERSECUTED FOR YOUR FAITH IN JESUS! You have thousands if not millions of witnesses in heaven who are cheering for you to hold fast as they did when they died for their faith back in Paul’s time. There is exceeding great glory awaiting those who faint not! Blessings to all who love our Lord Jesus Christ!

  14. STL says:

    Everyone: Assad family is on the run!

    • Heather says:

      What makes me just want to beat my head against a brick wall, though, is who are these cannibal monsters and other Al Qaeda clones who are supposed to replace Assad? What is this thing the U.S. has to ally with radical Muslims, many of them outright terrorists? Insanity. Always, “They’re devils, but they’re our devils.” One such was Osama bin Laden. Isn’t a spade a spade?

  15. STL says:

    DC: Let’s look at the word “WRATH,” from scripture: Ezek. 25:17 I will excute great vengence on them with wrathful rebuke.

    Romans 1:18 Wrath of God is reveal from heaven against all ungodilness and unrighteous men.

    Nahum !:2-6 The Lord is a jealous God and the Lord is avenging and wrathful………..

    1st Thess. 5:9 For God has not appointed us for wrath, but to obtain Salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.

    “even Jesus, which delivers us from the WRATH to COME.”

    In the day of Noah, God remove him before the wrath on earth to destroy the wicked.

    1st Thess. 1:10 deliver us from the Wrath to come.

    Notice 2 things we need to recognize:

    Notice: ” WHICH DELIVER US” is translated in past tense.

    But in Greek has it in future tense.

    “WHO DELIVERS US”
    “WHICH WILL DELIVERS US”

    WRATH to COME is not reference to HELL, but rather to the Tribulation peroid. Rev. 6:17

    The Tribulation is known as ” Day of his WRATH.”

  16. STL says:

    DC: Yes, there is a period of 3 1/2 years called the Great Tribulation, but the entire 7 year period is the WRATH.

    1st 3 1/2 years AntiChrist is revealed, and starts killing off any christians that believes in the faith of Jesus Christ. Then the last 3 1/2 years will be the Great Tribulation. But the complete 7 year period is still the WRATH.

    And God will not allow the ” CHURCH OF GRACE” to enter this WRATH period!

    • (Revelation 22:16 KJV) I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the CHURCHES. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

      (Revelation 22:21 KJV) The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      STL, why would God pour out His wrath upon the tribulation saints? Aren’t they His also? Even the 144000 was sealed, that the wrath was not poured out upon them. But no, this is tribulation, not wrath. Tribulation is troubles upon God’s children. Jesus wasn’t speaking to the sinners when he said flee from Judea when you see the abomination of desolation. No, He was speaking to the Christians, His disciples. These things were not even said to the Jews, but to His followers. The 7 year period is called indignation, God’s anger! But the time that Jesus spoke of was the time that is in the last half of this week of 7 years. His wrath comes just after the tribulation. If you wasn’t so stiff necked you would listen to learn, but we know your pride won’t let you.

      STL why would all upon the earth mourn if the wrath of God was the tribulation? Look=

      Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
      Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
      Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
      Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
      Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
      Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

  17. Heather says:

    “I repeatedly have questioned how that can be as I was not raised that way and get no answer except KJ is the only Bible that will teach.”

    Teresa, Hi! To say the above would be wanton ignorance, and I know this firsthand. The first Bible that really taught me and drove me straight to the Lord, when very, very young, was a Good News Bible. KJV English was hard at that time. It had all the power of God’s message for me at a young age, but may be, on the scholarly level, one the worst Bibles on the planet. Our Lord Jesus said the gospel message is one a child could understand: the gospel in a Good News Bible can save, even teach the whole gospel to some great depth. Many people, and I include myself, trust the King James most, some excellent scholars like the NASB, this to grow in the faith and seriously study the details, where some scholarly precision is needed. It’s very useful, when you’re having trouble with some scripture, to compare all translations, even look at the Greek, for the New Testament, Hebrewfor Old Testament. Some verses, and not few, are better captured in other translations, for the modern English speaker, nail the meaning better in how we use the language now. Anyway, I was very powerfully drawn to the Lord by a Good News Bible, even as a baby simply Sunday School books that led me to that Good News Bible eventually, all Bibles I’ve seen having the power of the gospel to save, just Bibles like the KJV most trustworthy as a primary source of Bible study. Read the preface of the KJV, and it mentions I think about 40 scholars working on it. The Holy Spirit, last and not least, will open your eyes, as you seek: whatever the case, most of the English Christian world winds up at the KJV as the main Bible, put it this way. I think there is some real inspiration in the KJV translation, though it was much influenced by the work of William Tyndale and the Geneva Bible, the KJV having some inspiring historic roots. (You will even find some jewels in the Geneva not in the KJV just so, the Geneva, though Old English, nothing to sneeze at.) A lot of Tyndale’s work just carried forward as is, he such a brilliant linguist, scholar, and man of God the Catholics just had to kill. But I’ve learned much from going to many translations for some verses, to get a composite picture sometimes, or reading time honored commentaries, using a Strong’s Concordance. There’s an arsenal of tools for the serious Bible student, all serious, lifetime Bible scholars having a library with certain of these tools. Hope this helps!

    • Teresa B says:

      Hi, I think you explained me. But you sure took a chance, I thank you. I will leave you Seasoned foks to fight your own battles out, I just carry the drum! I am not nor will I ever be a Teacher not my gift so I will plug along and use both. I appreciate your note

      • Heather says:

        What I was saying was about personal Bible study, Teresa, whether a person ever goes online in some forum. You do yourself well, and it’s even necessary to grow, that you not just carry the drum or let anybody on the web be a teacher, especially places like this: big mistake! The web is a real snake pit, a lot of lies that are very subtle and quite heinous apostasy! Without serious Bible study, you won’t see the truth from the error, ever, and will go about like a ship without a rudder. I pray the Holy Spirit leads you to His pure word.

        • Teresa B says:

          not to worry, I say the word teach, but what I mean I guess is I just read it as I never have read any of the stuff you all write in the way written. So since its split, and I don’t get that, I just take it all in, file it in my # 13 brain empty space where nothing sticks. I cannot be easily led anywhere. thanks!!

  18. Ron Murphy says:

    Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
    Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
    Mat 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
    Mat 7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?

    If a father would be asked from his child for something special and the father went out and looked all the day long to find the best that he could for that child, and give it to the child, and the child rejected the gift and said to the father this is not what I asked for, would not that fathers wrath be kindled against that child? How much more is it with God, when you ask for knowledge and He gives His life giving words to you and you reject them. They that are His sheep hear His voice. Now you judge, right or wrong, those of you with ears to hear and eyes to see.

    • Ilona says:

      Well said, Ron.

      Proverbs 4:20-22 My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings. Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart. For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh.

  19. Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

    The last three and a half years of tribulation will be satan’s wrath. There is a difference between God’s wrath and satan’s wrath.
    Satan’s wrath is upon the children of God, during tribulation. God’s wrath is upon the unbelievers, after the tribulation period.

    Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
    Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.

  20. (Psalms 14:2 KJV) The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

  21. Fishing Man says:

    Obama said he was Christian, so why then, he is giving money to Pakistan who are persecuting Christian? I believe his Jihadist self is finally showing……

  22. Debra says:

    Brenda you are so right! the scriptures speak for themselves so clear. thanks for your great post!!!!!God Bless you brothers and sisters who hunger and thirst for the truth!

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Bren here,
      Thank you, Debra.
      God bless you, also. Stay in His Word. Isn’t it such a blessing, that He would love us so much, as to show us His truth by the power of the Holy Spirit.

  23. Debra says:

    Yes Ron, Praise his Holy name forever!!!!!!!

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Sorry, that was me, Brenda. I didn’t change names.
      I need to get a computer or something so there wont be any more confusion.
      It’s just a hassle to keep changing names all the time. :)

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