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Is Pope Francis Forming An Alliance With Islam?

| March 26, 2013

New Pope looking to unite all the world’s religions

Pope Francis on Friday called for the Roman Catholic Church to “intensify” its dialogue with Islam, echoing hopes in the Muslim world for better ties with the Vatican during his reign.

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“It is important to intensify dialogue among the various religions and I am thinking particularly of dialogue with Islam,” the new pontiff said in an address to foreign ambassadors at the Vatican.

Francis’s predecessor Benedict XVI was seen by some Muslim leaders as hostile to Islam and the change at the top had been welcomed by the 57-member Organization of Islamic Cooperation and Al-Azhar, Sunni Islam’s highest seat of learning.

Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, head of the Saudi-based OIC, said earlier this month that he hoped “the relationship between Islam and Christianity will regain its cordiality and sincere friendship”. Mahmud Azab, adviser for inter-faith affairs to Al-Azhar imam Ahmed al-Tayyeb in Cairo, also told AFP earlier: “As soon as a new policy emerges, we will resume the dialogue with the Vatican”.

In his address on Friday, Francis also called for the Church to dialogue more with non-believers — returning to an effort begun during Benedict’s reign amid rising secularism in the Western world. “It is also important to intensify outreach to non-believers so that the differences which divide and hurt us may never prevail but rather the desire to build true links of friendship,” he said.

The Argentine pope said he wanted to “build bridges connecting all people” and said this was particularly significant for him personally because of his own Italian immigrant roots. source – Al Arabiya

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  1. Gail says:

    Is prophecy taking place.

  2. Yes. What’s up with this?

  3. Micah T says:

    I’m gonna give this guy the benefit of the doubt, but I don’t really trust him or the whole Roman Catholic Church system. Instead of pointing fingers, we should pray for the guy so he may do Gods will.

  4. GAIL:
    Whoever will be the False Prophet, he need to align all religions into one religion, as the World Universal Church. Pope Francis said, one week ago, that he wanted the Catholic Church back as it was in the beginning of Church laws.
    So we can just wait and see what the process will be next, but one thing is for sure everything is coming together at a rapid pace!

  5. I heard somewhere that he (pope Francis I) served as interim pope when John Paul II was recovering from the asassination attempt in 1981. Can anyone confirm this?

  6. Rajiv says:

    If the Pope is forming an alliance with the Islamic nations, why is it wrong? Is it has anything to do with prophesy? Well, I thing the world is waiting and watching on prophesy, political moves and world leader’s. Please enlighten.

  7. holypaul says:

    Looks like the significant prophetic move if I ever saw one. Anyone still think he is NOT the false prophet?
    It is common knowledge that EVERY pope is considered the NEXT Peter and that this pope doesn’t necessarily have to have the name Peter the Roman for St. Malacy’s prophesy is still be on track.
    I am not one for numerology but I found out this too:
    The pope smoke went up at 7:06 7+6 13, he is 76 7+6 13, 112th pope 1+12 13, chosen on 3 13 13.
    The date pope was chosen: 3/13/2013 = 3+1+3+2+1+3 = 13
    Just thought I would throw that out there for fun.
    According to Wikipedia ~ The full name of the pope is as follows: Jorge Mario Bergoglio. The middle name Mario means Mars after which the planet is named. Mars = Planet = Rock = PETRUS. Also, Mars is the Roman god of War. Hmmmm…..

  8. AJ says:

    From what I have read is that the Jesuits were the ones who compelled Bloody Mary to murder anyone who had a Bible, was a Christian, who were not catholic, it was this persecution that chased Puritans and Pilgrims out of their countries to Holland seeking safety from murder. Which included being burned alive, being disembowelled, pulled apart at the rack, etc… It was some Jewish investors who put up the fares for Christians to escape to AMERICA where they immediately fell on their knees and thanked God and made a covenant with God. Now mr clinton recently said there is a ‘new’ covenant with government. Was shocked that very few caught this….. When you pray, do so EARNESTLY, be sincere, take time to search your heart, the Lord sees your heart…

  9. Edward says:

    Better hold on to your hats this guy destroyed what was left of the traditional Latin mass that was put in place by Pope Pious the %th in 1570 that not one word of the Mass could be changed Catholics as well as Christians had better wake up if you think he is a great Pope don’t beleive the hype and smokescreen the Vatican keeps shoving down the people’s throat it is gonna get really bad can anyone say and the Antichrist will sit on the throne of ST. Peter

  10. Debra says:

    There will be a false prophet, but the bible does not tell us where he will come from as far as I can see, and I ‘ve read through the whole bible several times praying for understanding. If he calls fire down from heaven according to the scriptures and does many more amazing miracles calling on all of us to worship the anti-christ, I guess we’ll know who the false prophet is!!! There won’t be any guessing when fire comes down from heaven! Here are some scriptures from Rev. that describe the false prophet…….God Bless all that Love and Fear our precious Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ!

    Rev. 13:11, And I beheld another BEAST(false prophet) coming up out of the earth; and he((false prophet) had two horns like a LAMB, and spoke like a DRAGON.

    (12) And he (false prophet) exercised all the power of the first beast(anti-christ) before him(false prophet,) and caused the earth and them which dwell there to worship the first beast(anti-christ), whose deadly wound was healed!

    (13) And he(false prophet) does great wonders, so that he(false prophet) makes FIRE COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN ON EARTH IN THE SIGHT OF MEN!

    (14) And DECEIVES them that dwell on the earth by the MEANS OF THOSE MIRACLES which he(false prophet) had POWER to do in the sight f the BEAST(anti-christ); saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an IMAGE to the BEAST(anti-christ), which had the wound by a SWORD, and did LIVE!

    (15) And he(false prophet) had POWER to give LIFE to the IMAGE of the BEAST(anti-christ), that the IMAGE of the BEAST(anti-christ) should both SPEAK and cause that as many as WOULD NOT WORSHIP the IMAGE of the BEAST(anti-christ) should be KILLED!

    (16) And he(false prophet) (and anti-christ) causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a MARK IN THER RIGHT HAND, OR IN THEIR FOREHEADS;

    (17) And that NO MAN might BUY OR SELL, except he that had the MARK, or the NAME OF THE BEAST(anti-christ), or the NUMBER OF HIS(anti-christ) NAME!

    (18) Here is WISDOM, Let him that has UNDERSTANDING, count the NUMBER of the BEAST(anti-christ): for it is the NUMBER OF A MAN; and his(anti-christ) NUMBER is SIX HUNDRED THREESCORE AND SIX!

    2 Thess. 2:9-12
    Even Him(false prophet) whose coming is after the working of SATAN with ALL POWER and SIGNS and LYING WONDERS!

    (10) and with ALL DECEIVABLENESS OF UNRIGHTEOUSNESS in them that PERISH; because they RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be SAVED!

    (11) And for THIS CAUSE GOD shall send them STRONG DELUSION, that they should BELIEVE A LIE;

    (12) That they all might BE DAMNED who BELIEVED NOT THE TRUTH, but had PLEASURE IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS!

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Debra, You should study Dan 8 thoroughly and then study Dan 11 even more thoroughly. Especially after verse 11:21. The king of the north is the antichrist. and he must and I say must come from out of the old Grecian empire. Those looking for the pope, is just what satan has devised. He is deceiving the whole church world.

  11. Mario says:

    He may not be Peter the Roman but he is Francisco El Traidor.

    • cj says:

      He is Peter of Roman. This Pope is Petrus Romanus. Francis of Assis whose name the Pope took was born Franceso di Petrus(Peter) di Bernardone, which literally means Peter of Roman.

  12. The new Pope is demonstrating an alarming naivete regarding Islam. I cannot in away see how “dialogue” with an implacable enemy can do any good. Unless it is the Pope’s intention make the demand to the mullahs and muftis that they must end their bloody persecution of Christians, Jews, and other “infidels.” And allow true, unfettered free practice of all religions in all Islamic states. Somehow, I don’t think this is what he has in mind.

  13. Gina says:

    You know i just shake my head at some of the comments i see online by professing christians. Do you not know that catholicism is a false religion?? They believe in a works based salvation. That folks is a different gospel! They also blaspheme every time they preform the euchrist. So the pope is not a godly man, nor is God going to bless him or use him. I can point you to many ministries online by former catholics who started reading scripture and realized the catholic system did NOT line up with it and so now they dedicate their lives to exposing this so that decieved and blind catholics can come out from under it. It is a false religion- as in no truth to it!!! There are 90 million followers all going to hell under this sustem so no born again christian should be giving any credance to the pope! And stop talking about stupid catholic prophecies- there is not such thing. False system cannot produce true prophecies. Sorry if this sounds mean but the time here is short and i am not sure there are too many professing christians online who really are!

    • MSb says:

      I respectfully disagree with your comment that God will not use him. He will be an instrument of God’s will whether he chooses to or not. I also disagree that there is no truth in the Catholic religion; like many lies, there is enough truth there that many are deceived. I personally am a former Catholic who escaped that legalistic system and is now free in Christ; as a young adult I started asking questions about why things were done a certain way when the Bible said something else, and I was fortunate to have kind and loving Christian friends who answered my questions when the Church would not. My dear, I know you mean well but I am old enough to know that you will convince many more through love than you will through vitriol. Peace be with you.

      • Gina says:

        MSB- there was absolutely no vitriol in my comment whatsoever. I get the impression you think i was addressing catholics- i was not. I am addressing with pressing urgency and admitted frustration so-called evangelical born-again beleivers who keep validating catholicism as if it was too a christian religion and we are all the same. We are not. Because it is a false religion it’s ” prophets” have to be false as well so giving credit to teachings of Malacy is ridiculous and misleading and frankly wrong.
        If you mean God will use the Pope like he uses everyone else in the world then that is true. If you think God will use the pope to somehow bless others or be a blessing then that is false. The devil knows more scripture than i do but i would never sit in under a bible study he was teaching thinking he could bless me. Do you know what i am saying? We need to stop validating this man so that people trapped and deceived in catholicism will be able to come out from under the deception. A little leven levens the whole batch. He may tell a little truth but underneath it’s all lies so i don’t give him credit for any or the weeny bit of truth he may tell. Sorry if that offends you. But love is not a feeling. It is an action and it doesn’t always have to be gentle to be loving. Truth hurts. Jesus was not in any way soft towards false teachers, in fact he told them they were whitewashed tombs- all pretty on the outside but dead and rotting on the inside. Politically correct people of today would think it was ” unloving” that He said so but remember Jesus never sinned and was the most loving person to ever live. I wondwr when you read passages like that do you see Jesus as vitriolic?

    • Guest says:

      How do they blaspheme?

      • Be prepared says:

        I use to be a catholic. I know they say in the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit but I’m not sure what MSb means

      • Gina says:

        Guest – catholics believe that The wafer they give for communion actually turns into the real body/flesh of christ and the wine turns into his actual blood. Therefore when they take part in communion they are crucifying Jesus all over again. Jesus meant this ordinance as a rememberance only.
        If you wish to learn more about how catholic beleifs do not line up with scripture for yourself or to help someone else come out from this false system then please type Mike Gendron, Richard Bennett and Chris Pinto into a google search and they have great sites as former catholic on how to help catholics be saved for real.
        Blessings

        • They also keep JESUS nailed to the cross for eternity when HE came down from it,they call priests Father they call the pope Holy Father whereas JESUS tells us in Matthew 23:9 And call no man your Father upon the earth:for one is your Father,which is in heaven…. Catholics also pray to dead people and bow to statues all against what GOD tells us not to do…

  14. ED209 says:

    All of these comments make my head hurt. Do you people claim to be adults?

    • Heather says:

      You’ll find very little knowledgeable theology here. If you’re serious, prove your point, and it disagrees with the delicate egos here, you’ll get ripped into like nothing else. If you just, then, figure maybe people here can have some fun, you’ll get ripped into like nothing else. Entire groups of people, to the man, are on their way to hell here. Francis is at or near the top of the list of the worst people who have lived in the entirety of human history here, according to people who really know nothing about him, were pounding on him as soon as he went out on the balcony. Like a comment here a Pope will be antichrist: just so very ignorant, only very vaguely perhaps, and this very unlikely, very, very unlikely, for scriptural reasons, a false prophet, but antichrist? But I’ve found it’s not worth arguing with complete ignorance and people intent on remaining in complete ignorance, as you could prove them wrong with scripture, and likely just get some blind, dumb, duh response, often the main point that it’s not very nice to disagree. People here will rip into, act live the devil, then end their malicious, personal attack against you with some syrupy, pious platitude. And, when it comes right down to it, it isn’t even fun here, just a lot of whackjob beliefs that fly in the face of and ignore God’s word in the Bible and uplift fake prophecy like this Malachy nonsense. You would not believe how, online, I was ripped into, when I, at first, explained why Malachy and Francis was ridiculous, this mainly on another blog. It was like I was the antichrist, for not seeing that, obviously, Malachy has revealed the false prophet, or the antichrist (when the “prophecy”…uh huh… of Malachy says NOTHING about that pope being evil, can’t even read their own fake prophecies, LOL!). Don’t expect to see the word of God rightly divided, expect to have much fun, even, if you hang around here, and be prepared to, in the final analysis, be bored out of your skull by arguments not worth having with small minds and souls.

      • Sebastian says:

        Heather you sound so full of hate

        • Sebastian says:

          You called people on here small minded with responses like blind dumb duh. Lets see we have whackjob beliefs and are completly ignorant Yet YOU SAY OTHERS rip into you! You tear us all apart almost every post. So go ahead and respond with your witty razor tongue and rip me apart for defending people on here. I can take it.

          • Heather says:

            You’re right. I shouldn’t have said small minded and blind, as this doesn’t apply to everybody here of a certain category, and you’re a good example. You have a more impious quality about you, so I stand corrected.

            “So go ahead and respond with your witty razor tongue and rip me apart for defending people on here. I can take it.”

            You’re a veritable bulwark here, I’m sure everybody taking great comfort in your protection and absorption of the terrifying slings and arrows of a blog comment. I don’t know how you can take it! But your vigilence and bravery is duly noted. What a guy!

          • You will know them by their fruit.

          • Diane says:

            Mind you, Sebastian, Heather is the only officially registered Saint Sebastian here. She only can be pierced with arrows and ripped into so don’t go trying to usurpate her sacred identity! She even adds a feminine touch to the saintly character with her permanent PMS.

  15. Deborah says:

    If you all read The Oath of the Jesuits you WILL know the real meaning and reason behind this new Pope pretending to be such a goodhearted, humble, charismatic & loving the poor kind of person. It is simply to win the hearts and control the minds of the poor blinded believers in the Roman Catholic church plus others who would trustingly fall for his schemes. Don’t let yourselves be deceived. Lets guard our hearts and to all who still did not accept Jesus Christ as personal Savior, PLSSS do and be prepared for HE IS COMING SOON!!!

  16. Gina says:

    Heather: i have seen that on here too. Remember Matthew 7:6

    New Living Translation (©2007)
    “Don’t waste what is holy on people who are unholy. Don’t throw your pearls to pigs! They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you.

    You’ve just proven this verse to be true. You cannot give your pearls to swine and dogs. Once they’ve shown themselves to be such have nothing else to do with them. I wouldn’t even try to play or ” have fun” with goats. And arguing with people who cannot understand what is spiritual because they are unregenerate is futile. Don’t waste your time. Darkness does not want to see light.

    • Heather says:

      “Darkness does not want to see light.”

      How very true, and how very inexplicable. There is a blindness that no reason, no facts, that no proof, even, can overcome, that, on the surface, looks like dire stupidity in people, but it really is far darker, consider:

      Luke 16:27-31 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

      Though one rose from the dead before their very eyes, they’d not believe.

      I have no doubt, were the Lord Jesus to post to this blog and others, point out and rebuke some very heinous error that rises to devilish slander, or complete doctrinal error and lies, He would be ripped to shreds. Were He to post half a Bible of scripture affirming what he said, called any spade a spade, forget about it: they’d rip into the Lord Jesus Himself. And they’re throwing around exclamation marks and ripping into you as if besides themselves, then accuse YOU of being the angry one, an angry post one that’s has some sarcasm, when rational discussion was impossible, at least share a joke with some like minded, or at least having a sense of humor: there is nothing you can say to some of these people, and you well know there is no intelligent discourse, just posts filled with narcissism they somehow consider discussion, writing these paragraphs that more reflect mental illness and distress over having the apple cart of delusion they live in upset, then end the attack with syrupy little platitudes they remember from Sunday school or something.

      You’re absolutely right. I was only looking at this blog for a few days, and here’s what it is:

      “We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented. For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.”

      There are people in this world who are, bottom line, just angry and bent, who you can really say nothing to of any importance, nothing but that they’re right about everything, like, you must hate Francis, too, contribute to vicious, dumb slander, agree Obama’s the antichrist, forget what the Bible has to say about this, whatever. But truth? Scarce as hen’s teeth these days.

      Thank you, Gina, for the breath of sanity, and know there’s somebody who couldn’t agree with you more.

  17. A word of caution: A lot of pieces have to come together for the times to be fulfilled. We can look at each individual element and get excited and energized to finish well. We cannot take these pieces and jump to conclusions the direct evidence doesn’t support. I am fairly convinced that the pope has significant prophetic importance. With all of the other pieces in place, it is reasonable to conclude that this pope may be the last one. We can’t know for sure, though, until God reveals it or the end comes. It is absolutely imperative that those of us who have been challenged by God to be aware of the unfolding of end time events be people who truly reflect the loving nature of God to a lost and dying world. I want to hear “well done, good and faithful servant” when I see Him face to face. I want to see people I love in eternity with me. Let us all commit to finishing well.

  18. Amen Heather,Gina, one of his own I couldn’t agree more!

  19. We can’t fight this. Just go convert people and spread the truth. All chances of stopping the NWO ended in 2012.

  20. Tracy says:

    All will happen as it is Written. Please, never let your guard down, God is with Us, and He will not leave or forsake His own. Pray for the lost, and hold to your Faith in Him. We, as true believers, already have our armor, and it is God who is with us forever.
    Praise Him, and God Bless

  21. Mike says:

    A men Tracy God Bless !

  22. Lee Latham says:

    I don’t take much cred in the prophecy of Malachy, but it does look like it could be lining up for the one world religion. The time has to be short and we should continue to look up and stay awake because the return is close at hand.

  23. Micah T says:

    I’m gonna throw my 2 cents in here. I know we are supposed to go by the Bible, and the Bible only and I do. But, what if God actually gave Malachy a vision? Does God not give visions to anyone anymore? I’m open minded about it. Still the first and last source I will go to is the Bible, but it’s interesting how he had a vision of so many accurate things.

  24. Gina says:

    Micah- the short answer is no God does not speak through visions, dreams or extra biblical prophecy. That is based on Hebrews 1:1-2
    Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.
    It says God once spkke this way but now he speaks through his son. How does the son speak? Through the written word. That is it. Then God closes the cannon of scripture both in revelation and a warning in the OT that we aren’t to add or subtract anything from the word. If someone is ” hearing” from God then that would be extra- biblical and therefore forbidden according to scripture. Oh i think people get visions all the time, and dreams etc but they are from demons not from God. When the bible says there is the gift of prophecy what it means is someone going forth and proclaiming what the word already says. So a good pastor would have the gift of prophecy. Don’t confuse the gift with the office of prophet. The office is closed. God used prophets in the past tomproclaim his word because they didn’t have the written word, which we now have.
    I have to say i didn’t find anything accurate about malacy’s ” prophecies” to me they are vague and can be interpreted to mean anybody, IMO.

    • Again I will say it again. It says clearly in Gods word that He will, and has done, and IS GOING TO more now then before. As He is going to pour out his spirit on all flesh.

      (Acts 2:17 KJV) And it shall come to pass IN THE LAST DAYS, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

    • Heather says:

      2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

      And something so very telling how, if you just pretend the Bible didn’t address this issue of false prophets and the completion of His revelation in Jesus Christ, the last verse of Revelation completing the Bible, and the warning against ADDING or SUBTRACTING anything from prophecy: consider this.

      Catholics are excoriated here, according to some all going to hell. Popes and Catholics are servants of Satan, of a false gospel of works, on and on. Let’s say, for their argument’s sakes, this is 100% true, agree with everybody Francis is the false prophet, is of antichrist, as Catholicism is of antichrist, and the opinion of many posts here that Malachy is credible, is maybe credible, is maybe coming to pass, or is coming to pass. Okay. Let me ask you this, then: how does the antichrist CATHOLIC Malachy qualify to be a holy man of God, that God used to speak true prophecy through?

      Duh… uh… Heather, you’re an angry, doodoo head peepee weewee!!!!!!!!! WAAAAAAA!!! WAAAAAAA!!!

      Heathe 11:1 Thou shalt not seek to have thy cake and eat it, too.

      • I never said he is, I never said he isn’t I do not like to jump to conclusions at all whatsoever. I just state what I do know and what the bible says must happen. Until that time we will not know for sure and many still will not believe. I myself personally do not like to focus in on any one person just for the reason that you could be deceived by doing this. I agree many people are jumping to conclusions to quickly. Patience all things will be revealed in time.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Heather, you are right about the pope. If you’re gonna follow the prophecy of a pope, you should follow the faith of the Roman Catholics. False prophets cannot prophesy false prophets. True prophets can prophesy false prophets and true prophets. all popes are antichrist, but not the antichrist of Revelation. and as strange as it may seem, only the Catholics seem to know where the antichrist is coming from.

  25. Valerie Gould says:

    I stand on the scripture in the last days your old men shall see visions and your young men shall dream dreams. Anyone who says otherwise is false doctrine.

    • Heather says:

      Well, maybe you better read a little in the Bible and see how Peter pointed out this prophecy was fulfilled at Pentacost. Tell you what, if I may suggest, give Malachy a rest and take Acts 2 for a spin: you’d be shocked how unambiguous the Bible really is, and just may be a lot more worthwhile than, well, false prophets. Of course, I know…. Heather!!!!!!!!! You angry &#e@%!!!!! WAAAAA!!!!!

      • I just state scriptures.

        (Acts 2:17 KJV) And it shall come to pass IN THE LAST DAYS, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

        The last days are the last days. Not 100 years, 500 years, 1000 years before. The last days are the last days 100% crystal clear. God Bless :)

        • Heather says:

          Sorry, but you are not understanding that the last days in that verse is not referring to the time of the apocalypse, rather the period of God’s final dispensation era of grace, which began at Pentacost and long after Joel’s dispensation period, at that. And, if it were so this last days is our day, then the Lord, through Peter, made an error in Acts 2 that the people there were witnessing an event of the last days. Read it all, carefully, and, if I may suggest, study dispensational theology.

          • I am understanding it crystal clear Heather. The last days are the last days. ALLOW ME TO SHOW YOU :)

            CRYSTAL CLEAR!!

            (Acts 2:16 KJV) But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

            (Acts 2:17 KJV) And it shall come to pass IN THE LAST DAYS, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

            (Acts 2:20 KJV) The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

            Joel discussed things about the last days specifically the day of the Lord. :)

            (Joel 2:31 KJV) The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

            (Joel 3:14 KJV) Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.

            I might add these are the same celestial events Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:29 and Mark 13:24

            The verse is crystal clear. He referenced the day of the Lord, he referenced Joel before it where Joel discusses day of the Lord. Which Jesus said is this generation using same celestial events. The verse is crystal clear HEATHER. :)

          • Reference to Joel discussing day of the Lord before Acts 2:17 This reference to Joel in verse 2:16 where he referecned Joel speaking of the day of the Lord.

            Then in Acts 2:20 the day of the Lord was referenced itself again, signifying he was discussing same day of the Lord Joel was talking about.

            Then Jesus in Matt. 24:29 and Mark 13:24 uses sames celestial events to define the time line for the day of the Lord.

            May God Bless And Enrich You With Wisdom And Understanding Always :)

          • Heather says:

            No, no, no. What you’re saying, then, is that the day of the Lord is the time of that pouring out of the Spirit in Acts 2. This makes it impossilbe that Pentacost could also be that time, then, therefore verses 1-16 leading into error the people were seeing an event of the LAST DAYS, right there and then. If, since Pentacost, dreams and visions would be rampant, until the day of the Lord, Revelation is in error, admonishing not to add or subtract to prophecy: Revelation should then say, “This is just a taste, sign up for the Revelation Book of the Month Club, keep an eye out for my servants Nostradamus and Malachy, who’ll think of everything I’ve forgotten to tell you here. Now, it will be in nonsensical hints and word games you’re going to have to force meaning on, won’t match anything else my Bible, but…” There would also be a huge encyclopedia of verifiable prophecy the past couple thousand years, which there is ZERO of. I could go on for pages, but, tell you what: just what if Pentacost fulfilled the evidence of the outpouring of the Spirit, and the day of the Lord is yet to come, the rest of the Joel prophecy. You think just maybe? Okay. I know. Francis is Peter the Roman, Obama the antichrist, the NWO is putting bugs in our underwear drawers on order of aliens and Nephilim basketball stars and are tryin’ to steal our Lucky Charms…

          • No I am not saying the pouring out of the spirit is on the day of the Lord at all.

            I am saying that Peter discussed the last days. But before and after he did he made certain to show you what last days he was talking about. The last days before the day of the Lord. God Bless You.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            If prophecy is truth prophecy, it will not add or take away from Revelation, but it will verify with it. And this is true with the whole word of God. Pentecost Prophecy was of the delivery of the Spirit that day. It did not fulfill it’s use.

          • Heather says:

            Should clarify that the last days is a period of time, are the days from the time of Pentacost up until now, what some call the Church Age, or dispensation of grace. “Last days” does not mean the end times, or the generation of the day of the Lord. The “last days” is the last era in God’s plan and His dealing with man, before the kingdom of heaven and rule of the Lord Jesus arrives.

          • Well there in lays you searching out the celestial events mentioned when Peter and Joel termed the Day Of The Lord.

            Interesting cause Jesus defines the time line for the day of the Lord using the same celestial events Peter and Joel mentioned describing the day of the Lord. I could let you search it out or I can just tell where Jesus laid out the time line for you.

            Jesus discussed this time line using same celestial events in Matt. 24_29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 the celestial events are mentioned in other places as well. But that should be all you need to show the exact time line and what is going to happen just before and up to the day of the Lord and it is in there that Peter is saying the Spirit is going to be poured out. God Bless.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Heather, the prophecy that Peter stood up and gave, being fulfilled, was the deliverance of that prophecy. If it had been fulfilled that day as far as the Spirit is concerned, and the speaking of tongues as evidence, it would’ve ended that day. Now, tell me, what was Dan. 11:32, speaking of even after the abomination of desolation? Dispensation, are you referring to Darby, the false prophet?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Dispensational theology, are you talking about crazy Margret MacDonald’s dream as she lay with fever? Done that , Heather. You can have it all. Give me Jesus.

        • Heather says:

          I know it’s highly inappropriate to suggest reading verses 1-16 of Acts 2 around here, which state exactly why verse 17 is there, but I’m just difficult this way, have this nasty tendency to expect the word of God be interpreted correctly, always cringe a little when verses are lifted out of context, something the CATHOLICS are famous for. Now, if you argue that Acts 2 time was not of the last days, then you must take this up with the Lord, that He has made an error in His word. Of course, you can also vent on me, if there’s a disconnect and communication failure with Him. And I know, what does He know, when He probably doesn’t even blog and never had the advantage of being taught by Malachy, Nostradamus, Rod Serling, Alex Jones, or P.T. Barnum…

          • There is no need he referenced Joel discussing day of the Lord in Act 2:16 Then discusses same last days Joel was talking about in Acts 2:17 then again to make sure no one misunderstands what part of Joel he is talking about and to make sure everyone knows that it is the DAY OF THE LORD LAST DAYS HE IS TALKING OF HE SAYS DAY OF THE LORD HIMSELF IN ACTS 2:20

            He referenced exactly what he was saying before and after the verse and used DAY OF THE LORD and before the verse pointed to where Joel discussed DAY OF THE LORD.

            The Day of the Lord comes when Jesus said it would. In the last days in our time. Jesus used same exact celestial events to show us the time line.

          • Based on Peters reference to Joel in Acts 2:16

            Then in Acts 2:20 here is what he says

            (Acts 2:20 KJV) The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

            So this is how we know what he was talking about from Joel. Cause he stated the exact same words almost as Joel

            (Joel 2:31 KJV) The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

            Again Jesus defined the time line for the day of the Lord in Matt. 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 using same celestial events.

            It is crystal clear the time Peter was referring to is the last days that the last generation shall see.

          • Heather says:

            “again to make sure no one misunderstands what part of Joel he is talking about and to make sure everyone knows that it is the DAY OF THE LORD LAST DAYS HE IS TALKING OF HE SAYS DAY OF THE LORD HIMSELF IN ACTS 2:20″

            He doesn’t say that at all, he rather tells the people standing there at Pentacost they are witnessing a fulfillment of the LAST DAYS Joel prophecy, right there and then, Bucko, 2,000 years ago, which was NOT the future day of the Lord. You gots a problem there, City boy!

          • yep only you can not explain at all why the day of the Lord is mentioned in Acts 2:20 is the same day of the Lord mentioned in Joel 2:31 bucakroo lol

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Great reply D City, That about sums it up.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Heather, if that was the last day , what would you call now, DUH!

          • Look when you read a book the context can be set for a chapter anywhere in a chapter.

            There can also be several contexts set within a chapter.

            Peter set the context for Acts 2:17 in verses Acts 2:16 and Acts 2:20 so there could be no question as to which last days he was talking about. Here is how Peter did this:

            (Acts 2:16 KJV) But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

            (Acts 2:17 KJV) And it shall come to pass IN THE LAST DAYS, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

            (Acts 2:20 KJV) The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

            NOTICE HOW JOEL AND PETER USE SAME WORDS EXACTLY EXCEPT ONE WORD (one says notable, the other says terrible) Other then that the words are exactly the same.

            (Acts 2:20 KJV) The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

            (Joel 2:31 KJV) The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

            So we see that Peter specifically when out of his way to mention Joel before and the day of the Lord after Acts 2:17 “Last days, pour out Spirit” verse. He did this so there would be no mistake as to the time period of the last days being discussed.`

            Now if you want to see what happens in and around the day of the Lord then you only need to search out the celestial events mentioned in Joel 2:31 and Acts 2:17

            Peter mentions day of the Lord in 2 Peter 3:10 in detail.

            Jesus mentions same celestial events in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 in detail. The same celestial events are mentioned in Revelation 6:12-13

            There is no question Peter was talking of Last Days (last generation) time. God Bless All

          • Ron Murphy says:

            So, Heather , you’re saying the acts of Pentecost are over, right? Why then did The Apostles Keep laying on of hands and they received the Holy Ghost with evidence of speaking in tongues up until their deaths.

      • I do not think your angry at all. I happen to think your very funny and have a wild sense of humor.

    • Sebastian says:

      That is what the Bible says Valerie;)

  26. Valerie Gould says:

    Amen i sorta said that too.

  27. Gina says:

    You cannot correct false converts who like to pull scripture out of context to suite their false beliefs. If there are people on here who are serious about their faith and do not want to know the truth from the lies of God’s word then go to these pages. Look in the tabs of other recommended discerment sites. There are many people on here who don’t have a clue about context, good hermenutics or exegesis.
    Letusreason.org
    Apprising.org
    Worldviewweekend.com

    Thankfully the Lord is coming back soon, but not for some of you…

    • Based on Peters reference to Joel in Acts 2:16

      Then in Acts 2:20 here is what he says

      (Acts 2:20 KJV) The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

      So this is how we know what he was talking about from Joel. Cause he stated the exact same words almost as Joel

      (Joel 2:31 KJV) The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

      Again Jesus defined the time line for the day of the Lord in Matt. 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 using same celestial events.

      It is crystal clear the time Peter was referring to is the last days that the last generation shall see.

      If you need an indicator to what will happen on the day of the Lord WHICH OBVIOUSLY HAS NOT HAPPENED YET as you will see in this verse.

      (2 Peter 3:10 KJV) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

      CLEARLY these events haven’t taken place yet :)

      But wait Paul talks of the Lord returning as a thief in the night as well to those who are in darkness

    • Ron Murphy says:

      If you don’t believe in the Bible , then just what are you doing on this post.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Gina, We could just give you the whole canon, but you wouldn’t be able to understand it, either.

  28. Gina says:

    Bless you Heather…see you in the air very soon hopefully:)

    • Heather says:

      Thank you, Sweetie, you too! Need to get back to this lug and maybe draw a timeline or something, I don’t know. Maybe if you showed how, if you take the verse numbers out, you can see the possiblity of whole paragraphs, a stream of thought interrelated… I just don’t know. It’s rough down here, to get anything across. Should I just go back to parodies? (Have a confession to make: it’s sort of funny, to see how some people get pissed off. I know it’s not right, but, well, all work and no play makes…)

  29. So once again Acts 2:17 is talking about the last generation in the last days where God will pour out his Spirit on all flesh.

    As I have showed clearly with scripture referencing the day of the Lord.

    (Acts 2:17 KJV) And it shall come to pass IN THE LAST DAYS, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

  30. Why is anyone debating with someone who says “doo doo head pee pee wee wee” ??obviously somethings misfiring.

    • Heather says:

      Because I’m capable of writing more than one sentence that involves some sort of meaningful thought or discussion, sometimes even those things tongue in cheek actually saying something, which tends to wake some people up from posts of drivel that, otherwise, could very well put some people in a coma. Know what I mean, ROLAND?

      • Oh please with your huge over inflated ego. Acting like a big tough girl with a raunchy mouth trying to show off. You look like an idiot. You know what I mean HEATHER?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      That Great Roland, I agree.

  31. I’m reading what DCity is saying here and it is crystal clear and directly from the word of God. Why such confusion?

    • Heather says:

      “Why such confusion?”

      Two of you? OH NO! This is getting scary! Maybe you two should get together, find out if you live in the same city, as I’m thinking a water supply problem. Make sure that’s crystal clear, first, then we can maybe work on the rest. LOL!

      • Heather I am not trying to confuse, insult or call names. By the way I haven’t done that. I have not called names or been mean in any way.

        Acts 2:16 Peter references what Joel was talking about.

        The verse in question is Acts 2:17 People are stating it is not the last days and it has happened already.

        I assure you it has not and showed again Peter in Acts 2:16 references Joel Then in Acts 2:20 he states day of the Lord.

        Peter not only states the day of the Lord but its exactly word for word (except one word) the same as Joels mentioning the day of the Lord.

        Ok so now we know they are talking about the same thing and about the same time.

        So we search scripture about the Day of the Lord term to find out more about this day of the Lord and what it entails and when it happens.

        We come across Peter 3:10 where it describes day of the Lord and elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

        Well clearly those events have not happened yet and it was not at Pentecost or none of us would be here right now.

        So again
        Acts 2:16 Peter references to Joel
        Acts 2:17 Peter mentions last days after reference to Joel
        Acts 2:20 Peter mentions day of the Lord in exact same words Joel mentioned day of the Lord.

        Its clear Peter was talking of day of the Lord last days times (last generation times) and not earlier.

        I wish you would look in your bible and see so you know what I am saying is true. God Bless You, I mean no harm but to bring truth.

        • Heather says:

          Hey! That’s okay, dear, you could call me names, insult me, be mean: put ‘em up, wise guy! I’ll just kick your butt, that’s all… LOL!

          But I’m done with the topic, as I’ve already said what needed to be said. If your Bible is saying what you’re saying, you can have it your way, here at the Burger King of theology. Well, have to run off and have some dreams and visions, could be up against a deadline getting the Book of Heather in the up and coming Malachy Standard Bible. I’m currently working on the child molester prophecy, the Prophecy of Gropes. So, up against the end times with the blog…

          • No I don’t do that and I enjoy very much joking with you. I just meant that I mean no harm in showing you the context around the verse in question that Peter established and Gina got very nasty with me and people can see I am posting the exact verses.

            Anyways God Bless You Heather.

          • Heather says:

            Well, maybe Gina wants to kick your butt, too! She tends to agree with me here and there, which could pretty much make you toast, given the, um, shall we say, challenges and exegetical support level of your compatriots?

            Say, what do you call it when the context is an out of context context? Surely, you’d know whatever the word is for this? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!

            God bless you, too.

          • Nah what I posted is crystal clear lol You can try to swim around it all you like with all the links in the world.

            I used the verses in context and showed exactly what last days they were talking about. Have fun trying to swim around it all you like. Its not my words your messing with. God Bless

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Roland, God’s word is so simple if you take it straight forward, but God confounded the wise. Bless you, brother.

  32. Floridahank says:

    “It is important to intensify dialogue among the various religions and I am thinking particularly of dialogue with Islam,” the new pontiff said in an address to foreign ambassadors at the Vatican.

    What kind of result does he expect when there is such wide diversity in the belief system of each one? This man is simply talking without real expectations.

    Although the two religions share some terminology and even some theology (monotheism, for instance), Islam is fundamentally different from Christianity. Islam is a works-oriented religion, while Christian faith is based on salvation by grace through faith as a result of the shed blood of Christ.

    In Islam, if God wants to forgive sin, He simply says, “It is forgiven.” Christianity recognizes the necessity of the shedding of blood for the forgiveness of sin (Hebrews 9:22).

    Muslims think Christians believe in three gods: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Mother (Mary).

    They believe that Christians and Jews have changed the Bible; therefore, although the Quran acknowledges the Gospel of Christ, the Torah of Moses and the Psalms of David, the existing copies can’t be trusted.

    In any case, they are all superseded by the Quran.

    Because of pornography from the West and the Western media, they equate Christianity with free sex, drugs, alcohol, rape, divorce… all the evils of the West. This misconception confirms their belief that Islam is the true and final religion for all mankind.

    Nothing will come of all this talk about a growing understanding — all talk without substantive results or changes forthcoming.

  33. Gina says:

    http://amos37.com/2012/09/19/joel-video-commentary-session-5/

    Here is a proper exegesis of Joel 2:28-32

    The confusion on here is there is no understanding that the last days started after Jesus death and we are still in them. Some things were fullfilled from Joel on the day of Pentecost and others during the tribulation.

    That’s the last i will say about this.

    • Heather says:

      Did I hear Gina say BINGO?! I think so!

    • No need scripture defines scripture and the DAY OF THE LORD IS MENTIONED many many many many times and has not come to pass yet. The last days Peter was talking of is near the day of the Lord as he clearly stated along with Joel. All the time lines in the world will not change scripture defining scripture.

      All you have to do is search day of the Lord and the celestial events that Peter and Joel discussed as well as Jesus and you can clearly see what time period Peter and Joel are talking about. :)

  34. Anyways just trying to help you out. God help you if a true prophet of God tells you the truth some day and you do not believe him.

    Its amazing to me that people do not use the word of God to seek truth.

    Jesus himself could show you truth using scripture and you will take that info back to your preachers and teachers who were wrong to begin with and say this is what this man is saying is he right? Hate to tell you this but 99% of the preachers and teachers, especially in America would not admit that he is right at all.

    In fact non of the preachers and teachers in Jesus’s time admitted Jesus was right. The crucified him.

    When all you have to do is look in the word of God.

  35. This might help people recognize a true prophet of God if and when we see one. If nothing else it is very interesting. :)

    The prophet is God’s detective seeking for a lost treasure. The degree of his effectiveness is determined by his measure of unpopularity. Compromise is not known to him.

    He has no price tags.
    He is totally ‘otherworldly.’
    He is unquestionably controversial and unpardonably hostile.
    He marches to another drummer!
    He breathes the rarefied air of inspiration.
    He is a “seer” who comes to lead the blind.
    He lives in the heights of God and comes into the valley with a “thus saith the Lord.”
    He shares some of the foreknowledge of God and so is aware of impending judgment.
    He lives in ‘splendid isolation.’
    He is forthright and outright, but he claims no birthright.
    His message is “repent, be reconciled to God or else…!”
    His prophecies are parried.
    His truth brings torment, but his voice is never void.
    He is the villain of today and the hero of tomorrow.
    He is excommunicated while alive and exalted when dead!
    He is dishonored with epithets when breathing and honored with epitaphs when dead.
    He is a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, but few ‘make the grade’ in his class.
    He is friendless while living and famous when dead.
    He is against the establishment in ministry; then he is established as a saint by posterity.
    He eats daily the bread of affliction while he ministers, but he feeds the Bread of Life to those who listen.
    He walks before men for days but has walked before God for years.
    He is a scourge to the nation before he is scourged by the nation.
    He announces, pronounces, and denounces!
    He has a heart like a volcano and his words are as fire.
    He talks to men about God.
    He carries the lamp of truth amongst heretics while he is lampooned by men.
    He faces God before he faces men, but he is self-effacing.
    He hides with God in the secret place, but he has nothing to hide in the marketplace.
    He is naturally sensitive but supernaturally spiritual.
    He has passion, purpose and pugnacity.
    He is ordained of God but disdained by men.

  36. Ron Murphy says:

    D city, You can’t help people like this. It is a waste of time, to teach self righteous people the truth, they gag on it. Not even the Apostles would do so. There are others that will here truth. Let us find them. The people that like their ears tickled and eat the sweet things will have their music and the sweetness of a vile one to attend to very soon. He will shake the tree and we will see who holds true.

  37. I’m here and really love this blog I’m learning a lot. Anyone here attend the Brownsville revival? I went 8 times!!!

  38. Its in Florida. It was prophecied by Dr. yongi Cho it fell on fathers day 1995 and went for several years.

    • Ahh Only places I been to in Florida is Miami, Daytona Beach, Fort Lauderdale, Orlando and spent time doing work in the Villages for a time. Lady Lakes.

      Spent time in Martha’s Vineyard Island Mass. Been going there since I was very young and continued tradition, spent time in Chicago and Sioux Falls, S.D. and spent time in N.C. bunch of years. Jersey Shore, and Ac N.J. I been here and there.

  39. I’m in Okla. I went 8 times folks attended from every continent.

  40. Micah says:

    Gina
    I’m sorry but I’m going to have to disagree with you in that. God still does give dreams, because I have experienced many that has came true. Dreams of warnings to family members, I could mention them but I don’t have the time to. Yes I do believe some dreams are from demons, but to say all of them are is completely wrong. God bless

  41. Ron Murphy says:

    Amen! , Micah. I will testify to that, myself. It’s funny how people think satan can do just about anything he wants, but they think God is incapable. I wish they could know him, as we do.

  42. Micah says:

    Ron
    I wish I knew the Good Lord better, I have only turned the corner about 2 months ago, and yet I still struggle with the flesh. But I have faith that God is building me up and will use me to do His will. I agree with you how people give the devil and his demons so much credit. Screw the devil, demons, evil spirits for they will all be in that lake of fire. My God, our God, and the God of Abraham and Moses is so powerful, loving, magnificent, etc all glory be to Him for just being the righteous good God he is. I deserve to be in the pits of hell but it is by Gods grace and the shedding of Jesus blood on the cross that I am so thankful that I still have a chance to live with God for eternity (: isn’t that amazing

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Micah, You are in the right tracks, stay in them. We all fight the flesh. It is the part of us that makes us human. You will probably fall, many times in your walk with God. It’s not how many times you fall, it’s how many times you get back up that counts. I’m not saying to willingfully sin, but God knows you heart and if you’re really trying. It’s when we are victorious in battle with the flesh, that God will bless the more and trust us the more. The accuser of the brethren will always be there to cast you down when you fall. Trust in God with all you heart and believe every promise He made you.

  43. Micah says:

    Now I have the time to explain some of my dreams which were warnings from God, not satan.

    Well when I was a kid (15 yrs ago?) I was either 5 or 6. I had a dream that my cousin was at this psychic getting his future told. After, he then went to a park to meet up with his ‘friends (he was involved in the drug life)’ and got mobbed by them. I woke up and told my mother the dream. Coulple days later my cousin comes to the house and my mom asked him ‘Shane, just wondering but Micah had a dream and in that dream you went to a psychic, did you?’ And he said yes, later my mom told him to repent and not to do that again cuz it was not of God. And she then warned him about the people he surrounds himself with, and explained the rest of my dream. A few weeks later we got a call from his girlfriend because he was in the hospital, and he in fact got mobbed by his drug friends. His eyes were swollen to the size of a golf ball because they hit him with bats I believe? He then recovered

    Couple years later, I had another dream. In that dream I saw one of my family members getting shot. I couldn’t tell if it was that same cousin in my first dream, or my brother. I woke up and told my mom and she immediately prayed and rebuked that dream. My mom then again prayed for him and told him to change his life. A couple months later unfortunately we got a call, and he did end up getting ‘accidentally shot by a fun falling on the floor’ by one of his ‘friends’. He did not make it. The good news is that when my mom talked to him he tried to change his life around, we saw that he was trying. We can only pray that he asked the good Lord for mercy and repented of his sins and accepted Jesus into his heart before he passed away. By the time my mom got the call he already passed away. God bless his soul.

  44. Micah says:

    I have another testimony about dreams and how it is from God, but it is way to long and I’m way to tired to type it out now I will do it later (1 am in hawaii right now). Btw this next one will give goosebumps, and this is how I know there is a God and there is evil in this world.

  45. Gina says:

    Micah- so let me ask you this: ifnyou beleivegod and demons can give you dreams, how is it when you have one thatnyou are able to tell who it’s from? Think about that. Does God tell us in his word how to tell the difference?
    Christianity is a walk by faith and not by ” feelings” nor ” experiences” which all false teachers are promoting these days. The bible says we are not to lean on our own understanding at all. We are to trust what God tells us in his word. In fact God says our heart ( mind, will and emotion) are deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. So gojng by what you feel is right or what works is unbiblical and dangerous.
    In fact go to youtube and look up a woman called Johanna Michaelson. She does a presentation of her book The Beautiful side of Evil. She does a wonderful job of showing how signs and miracles are not from God. God used signs and miracles during the apostles time and in the OT to valadate Himself and His teaching to others because they didn’t have the written word. We do.
    Cho that valerie mentioned is a false teacher and the brownsville revivial were false movements. I can now see where these people on here are coming from and how they are taking scripture out of context.
    Don’t beleive me, look into it and be a good Berean. I write this to you because you are a new beleiver and are so ripe to be deceived. Please look up Brannon Howse and Justin Peters online you will see i told you the truth and how to not be deceived by all the false teachers and movements online. I don’t know about Justin but Brannon is on Facebook. You need some Godly men to follow sir, or you are in trouble in this world and in this time. I beg you to look them up.
    Blessings to you.

    • Heather says:

      Hi, Gina!

      Absolutely, faith is not an emotional matter, as you pointed out in another post, the greatest love, even, not even always pleasant. I get so very irked, when I see one of these charlatan preachers trying to emotionally whip up a crowd, as if an emotional frenzy has the least thing to do with being spiritual. Rather, operating through emotions, rather than by the rational word of God, can be the doorway to deception.

      Something else you mentioned, Gina, about all this extra-Biblical nonsense: the canon of the Bible IS closed. As I’ve mentioned, it’s obvious there is no body of new scripture, because the Lord is no longer writing scripture, period. Revelation ends with a doxology, prior to that a warning about adding to scripture, and now we have, reliably, God’s word in the Bible to live by, and it’s not but foolish to seek prophecy, revelation, or simply teachings that claim inspiration outside the Bible. It astounds me, this Malachy stuff and the like, how people can’t even see there are absolutely NO examples of reliable additions to scripture since Pentecost, yet they insist the Lord is giving out all these special revelations and prophecies, dreams and visions that are supplementing Revelation, despite Revelation, itself, most strongly warning against tinkering with scripture. This is deadly serious business, teaching extra-Biblical error:

      Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

      Anybody out there a new Christian, or one who’s neglected scripture, all I can do is plead with you to immerse yourself in the Bible, and the Bible alone, with only perhaps reputable commentary strictly on the Bible, or pastoral help, when needed. You MUST know the word of God very well, to avoid serious deception you see people putting forth all over these blogs, unknowingly or, God forbid, but it’s the way the devil works (wolves in sheep’s clothing), on purpose. If you don’t know the Bible like the back of your hand, which, clearly, hardly anybody here does, you would do well to spend your time in God’s word, not spreading Catholic “prophecies,” calls on who’s the antichrist or false prophet (completely unBiblical, just a lying, slanderous waste), and perhaps cease what amounts to spiritual delusions many of you are putting forth. Also, if you’re going to comment on scripture, try knowing about what you’re talking about, as many of you refute well known meanings of scriptures THROUGH THE AGES, and you’re not really being clever, at all, to anybody learned of the Bible.

      Anyway, Gina, thank you for some things you’ve said that have helped me realize how right you are that some of these things are quite serious matters. I tried to write something to you last night, but the post got lost somehow, then got very sleepy, but I admire your posts, your truth and your seriousness for truth, which has made me rethink how tolerable some of these things really are. You have taught me something, which is also in the Bible. Thank you very much, and, my dear, I know your soul is safe with the Lord!

      • Heather says:

        “reliable additions to scripture since Pentecost”

        Should have said since the Revelation given to John and end of the Bible canon. Sorry. What I meant, should have said, was since the apostolic period, maybe, didn’t mean since Pentecost.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Heather, that adding to, goes very well with you Dispensational theory.

        • Heather says:

          Dispensational theology IS NOT my theory, is a very old way, well known by any Bible scholar and true, of grouping eras of God’s dealing with mankind and revelation/covenants unfolding in time, merely a way of analyzing the entire Bible. You are only showing your complete ignorance. Anybody could Google on dispensations and find a wealth of SCHOLARLY information on something I had nothing to do with making up or AM NOT personally theorizing on. This is just one example of how ignorant you really are. By the way, this comment is not for your benefit, rather that some others may be interested in learning some truth and actually find out what dispensationalism really is. I don’t hold out this to be the case for you, as there is a real darkness and desire to disrupt coming from you which is obvious, when you make such a vile, slanderous, evil comment to Gina, who has proven to be of the only truly knowledgeable of theology and undeluded here. There’s something in you, obviously, that can’t stand the truth, and you target the same people the devil does. Why don’t you go take a long look in the mirror, and commune with who your worst enemy really is, beyond Satan?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      You are deceived ,Gina. You have a form of Godliness, but reject the power thereof.

      • Heather says:

        You have a form of idiocy, and accept the power thereof. When you’re done demonstrating how you’re mentally ill, in a dark and senseless sort of way, why don’t you just crawl back under your rock?

        • Ron Murphy says:

          I will, since, that rock bled and died for me.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Thank you, Lord. That I can be called these things for your sake. For I know, Noah was called so, also. I know Elijah was called so ,also. I know all you prophets were, also. I know your Son was, also. It is a privilege and an honor to be worthy. Amen! Exhalt yourself and belittle the Lord, your master is proud of you, too.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Gina, If God’s not able, why would you even serve Him. How blind you really are. I really feel sorry for you, but why do you belittle God? When you stand before Him, then you will fear. And then you will wonder,” what was I thinking?”

  46. Gina says:

    Thank you Heather:) in the meantime keep these folks in your prayers. What they don’t realize is i was one of the deceived once too. But praise God he opened my eyes to the lies i beleived and now i see clearly… Blessings to you:)

    • Heather says:

      I found it a very long journey of immersed study of the Bible, the Bible alone and undisputed scholars, a continuing journey, what has been a life of this, to even get to a place of comfort, understanding the mysterious or difficult issues that get raised. Again and again, people are arguing against what the Bible, itself, clearly explains of itself, but things that require some diligent study to actually understand and put together, from throughout the Bible. Even some cases where they argue against simple Bible doctrine anybody half learned would know. But do you see even a willingness in some people to read and study these things, before commenting on them, rather launching into long dissertations, steeped in total, mindless error they must have just made up while blogging? I’ve seen some argumentative comments overnight that don’t even address what I’d already written and explained, as if the person didn’t even read what I wrote, just wants make something up to argue with somebody, some of the comments not even making a scintilla of common sense, as in, “Where on earth did that remark come from? What is he talking about?”

      Sometimes prayer for some is the only hope, not that God is a last resort, but this to say that nothing human or scriptural, no amount of even proven truth put forth to some people of any effect, at all. It does seems a miracle is required, since, apparently, the leading of the Holy Spirit is being ignored, He not sending people off into Malachy land or anything such. Sometimes I much wonder if there is salvation, in the first place, since the Holy Spirit seems to have “failed” to point them to truth, but this is none of my business, something God alone can know and decide in so many cases of a strange sort of “Christian” faith I can’t understand. I would just hope some people, who say many things not true to the Bible, are doing so innocently and in ignorance, are not sitting there typing, with you-know-who in control.

      Anyway, thank you and God bless you too, Gina.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        The failure is not of God’s Holy Spirit, the failure is in man. Do not blame God for man’s doings. Who are you to blame God and to belittle him? You belittle his word , you belittle his Spirit, and you belittle his people. What judgment have you, then? Are you just enough to remove the moat from my eyes? You reveal your motives.

  47. ted says:

    YeeHaaa—everything is coming together—as our moms used to say—“we’re getting ready to take a trip, be sure to wear clean underwear :)”

  48. Micah says:

    Gina
    Did you not read my dream? So you think that the devil gave me that dream, so I could tell my cousin so he may be saved? Oh yeah I forgot that Satan is the good one! It’s called discernment of the Holy Spirit. That’s how you can tell if a dream is from God, or the devil. If you have dreams that are of sex, money, ungodly things then yes I believe that’s from the devil or even wicked thoughts from our hearts. But honestly it’s up to you if you want to believe that God doesn’t give us dreams anymore. Don’t push it I’m me that it is unbiblical, not from God, etc because if it isn’t then I’m sorry we have a different God. I was once deceived and was on feelings, I was a believer all my life, but then God spoke to me while I was in the lowest point of my life then I started to trust in Him, seek Him more, etc.

    I’m sorry that you think God went silent ever since the Bible came out. Maybe you need to hear from God yourself, or have a dream out of nowhere come true? Because I am no way trying to add to the bible or disrupting anyone by just having a dream, warning people to change, then it comes true. I’m not psychic, I don’t go to psychics, so I believe it is from my Lord.

    Do you think just because we aren’t in the Old Testament times that God doesn’t perform miracles either? Or is it the devil and demons providing false illusion?

  49. Micah says:

    Gina
    You are absolutely wrong. I don’t need Godly men to follow, I need God alone to follow. I am no follower of man, but God and his word. Yes I do need a pastor, and spiritual friends that seek God with all their hearts (which I do), but the bible and God is the only thing I follow. I don’t need to look on YouTube because that is mans teachings. Look at how all these cults are started, they follow man, not the Bible or God. Ex Mormons, Catholics, Muslims. I’m sorry that you are deceived and believe more of what these YouTube prophets say rather than experiences with God himself. You are stepping into dangerous waters by claiming it isn’t from God. Its best if you Just keep your false claims torwards yourself before you get in trouble with The Lord. You are the first person I have ever encountered that said dreams are absolutely not from God. May God bless you and open your eyes, seriously

    • Agreed Micah I gave you scriptures on how to tell. There are many many scriptures on how to tell dreams, visions, prophets. KEEP YOUR BIBLE IN HAND AT ALL TIMES AND TEACH THESE PREACHERS WHAT GOD SAYS.

      To many preachers pretending and only teaching certain parts of Gods word or what they want to teach. ITS OUTTA CONTROL.

      I gave you scriptures to show you Micah you can check them and verify them. God Bless You Micah your on right track. Do not let them steer you astray. :)

  50. Quote from Gina “Does God tell us in his word how to tell the difference?”

    Yes All over Gods word we are told how to tell the difference:

    (Deuteronomy 18:21-22 KJV)
    “And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.”

    The true Prophet of the Lord predicts that which does come to pass. If the Prophet’s predictions fail, they are exposed as NOT of God.

    (Numbers 12:6 KJV) And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.

    The true Prophet of the Lord will receive visions or dreams from the Lord

    (Numbers 24:4 KJV) He hath said, which heard the words of God, which saw the vision of the Almighty, falling into a trance, but having his eyes open:

    (Numbers 24:16 KJV) He hath said, which heard the words of God, and knew the knowledge of the most High, which saw the vision of the Almighty, falling into a trance, but having his eyes open:

    When in “vision” their eyes may be open

    (Daniel 10:17 KJV) For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me.

    When in “vision” a true Prophet will sometimes NOT breath. “Inspiration” = God Breathed, Therefore, since the Almighty is breathing through the Prophet communicating His Truth, the Prophet has no need to breath

    The true Prophet will collapse with absolutely no strength in him/her

    (Daniel 10:18 KJV) Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me,

    Once “touched in the “vision” the Prophet receives strength.

    (Jeremiah 28:9 KJV) The prophet which prophesieth of peace, when the word of the prophet shall come to pass, then shall the prophet be known, that the LORD hath truly sent him.

    A true Prophet will be 100% accurate. there is absolutely no margin for error.

    (2 Peter 1:20 KJV) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

    A true Prophet NEVER gives his private interpretation. He only shares what the Lord reveals. Scripture defines Scripture, not man.

    (2 Peter 1:21 KJV) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

    A true Prophet only prophecies in the name of the Lord. He only seeks to glorify the Lord. He will never seek glory to himself. NEVER!

    (1 Corinthians 14:3-4 KJV) 3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. 4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

    A true Prophet will look to edify, comfort, and uplift the Church body by his testimony as well as exhort them.

    (Isaiah 8:20 KJV) To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

    A true Prophet keeps God’s Law, and abides by the testimony of the Bible Prophets as well. If a Prophet does not agree with the Bible Prophet’s or does not keep God’s Ten Commandments, he is a false Prophet.

    (1 John 4:1-3 KJV) 1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    A true Prophet believes and preaches the incarnation of Jesus Christ. He will preach Jesus as God who came to Earth and put on humanity in order to redeem us all.

    Matthew 7:15-20, “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”

    A true Prophet will show good works, and have identifiable fruits of a Christian. He/she will have abundant BIBLICAL fruits!

    Exodus 15:20, “And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.”

    Judges 4:4, “And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.”

    2 Chronicles 34:22, “And Hilkiah, and they that the king had appointed, went to Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvath, the son of Hasrah, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college:) and they spake to her to that effect.”

    Luke 2:36, “And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;”

    Acts 21:8-9, “And the next day we that were of Paul’s company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him. And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.”

    Gender makes no difference. Women can, and have been prophet’s as well.

    Acts 2:17-18, “And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:”

    Age makes NO difference in being a prophet.

    Matthew 24:24-25, “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before.”

    Performing miracles proves nothing.

    Straight out of God’s Word. Keep an eye on people who type a whole bunch of stuff and do not include God’s Words in it.

    These are straight from scripture Micah you can match up in your bible. This is how to check verify and determine. God Bless You Micah :)

  51. Micah says:

    Thank you Ron for the encouraging words. It’s good to see that there aren’t deceived people there or know it alls. People that know more than God. We just need to pray that they won’t be deceived, yet they are praying the same for us lol. But at the end God is alive and still good. God bless you Ron

  52. Ron Murphy says:

    Hey! D City, and all my other friend on here. My pastor, died back in 2002. But I would like for you to hear a song his brother wrote and that he sung, it’s on you tube: R. A. West,” Little Nazerine Boy, Can You See the Light”. Look for the one pictured with the rocky seashore. Valerie, you will like this one.

  53. Micah says:

    Just because you have ‘studied the bible all your life’ it does not mean that you have wisdom! Look at the Pharisees, the highest religious people who studied the word, yet when Jesus himself the messiah was standing in front of them, they didn’t believe. Knowledge won’t get you into heaven, but wisdom will. You could know the Bible back and forth, but that makes you just like you know who. And obviously you know who lacks wisdom because he disobeyed God and is now the enemy.

    I strongly dislike it when people give NO CREDIT TO GOD. But glory be to Him who is still alive and still working miracles in people’s lives. I know which God I am serving and I know I’m not deceived, do you?

  54. Ron Murphy says:

    Be bold, Micah, God is with you. I’m proud of you. I know God is, too.

  55. Micah says:

    D City
    Thank you so much I appreciate every bit of it. God bless you. You are a man of knowledge, BUT also wisdom. Over the past month or so I learned alot from your posts and even more of the Bible by your posts, only recently I’ve been commenting because there are certain things I feel that should be said and not held in. I’m thankful for the scriptures and effort put into it to show me, once again God bless

  56. Micah says:

    Ron
    Once again thanks for the encouragement it means alot to me, kinda of having that reassurance that I am serving God. Not that slimy nasty devil. God bless you and I know God is proud of you too for sticking up for His miracles.

    D city
    I agree. Although I’m not the most educated I know I can help out by the things I feel that is needed to be said. God bless and drive safe!

  57. Gina says:

    Very good New York. Your verses are very accurate for how the Israelites were to test a prophet under the dispensation of law. However we are under the dispensation of grace in the church age. Any applicable verses for now. Do you understand dispensation? Context- who is the writer addressing and why? You don’t really even follow the principles of convenant theology, so i am curious to know how you interpret the bible? Do you think all verses apply to you and for you? I think that would be the narcissistic interpretation. You seem to pull all kinds of verses out of anywhere for any time. That’s not how it works. Sorry. I beleive you think you’re doing right but i don’t see an ounce of biblical soundness in interpretation. It means nothing to know many verses without applying them to context and dispensation. But i can tell you don’t really want to know the truth, you just want to be right. So it’s irrelevant whether you answer my questions or not. I only wanted to correct the obvious deception on here but i see you quite enjoy being decieved and keeping others that way too, so there is really little left to say. But maybe it was never about any of you. God may have been working on the heartnof an anonymous reader who now sees the light. I am satisfied to know MY God is always at work and doesn’t need me to defend Him. His will will always be done.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Who made you god Gina, that you would judge His Word? You have no respect for it. He said My words will not pass away. Who are you to say that they have?

    • Your seriously misguided Gina.

      The book was written for all and all to understand and spread. When you accept Jesus you accept his words. Those that say they have been saved and then go against Gods words may want to think about that. I included many new testament verses as well. :) May God have mercy on you and teach you to be humble and fear him enough to find truth.

    • Its easily understood from these verses:

      (2 Timothy 3:16 KJV) ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

      This might be hard for some to understand. But let me restate more clearly for the unlearned and unstable people out there. AAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
      SCRIPTURE.
      AGAIN ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL SCRIPTURE!! Now that we can see clearly. Lets continue.

      (2 Timothy 3:17 KJV) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

      (2 Peter 3:16 KJV) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

    • Notice how people who talk of dispensation and grace conveniently leave entire books and verses out not for them.

      Example once saved by grace always saved by grace.

      Well if that were true, taking the mark of the beast wouldn’t matter now would it? lol Clearly that statement doesn’t line up with Gods words.

      But wait I forgot the same people that teach that also teach all those parts of Gods words are not for them (because they are special) since they will not be here for any of that. Since they will not be here for entire sections of scripture well then. There you have it, the Lord has spoken. Yet no were in Gods words can we find that either lol Not once does the Lord teach about avoiding tribulation of any kind, especially the great tribulation. Not once in Gods words does it ever say people are going to be pulled out before great tribulation or before tribulation of any kind. It truly is amazing how much is twisted in Gods word.

  58. Micah says:

    God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. I’m sorry I don’t know which chapter and verse that is, maybe the biblical scholar Gina would know. In fact, why read the Bible everyone? It wasn’t written for us because it was written in earlier times, and their situations. Lets read the book of morman since it is more current and written for our culture! We are all gods! blah blah blah. I’m done with the sillyness, all I can do is pray for the greatly deceived people on here. Remember, ‘wisdom, not knowledge will get you in the kingdom of heaven’. I’m not gonna comment anymore on a situation where my God is perceived as not able and not alive by people who are blinded. Why give credit to the devil, but not God. Is God not able to perform miracles or do good? Hmm something seems a bit fishy there. What god are you worshipping?

  59. Micah says:

    Better yet, what god do you fear? I fear of the God of the most high. The creator of the universe heavens and earth. The God that is never changing and the same everlasting. The one who still heals people, perform miracles, and the God of the bible. I don’t fear or give credit to any wicked unclean spirits or the devil himself, for they are unworthy. God is the only one I fear or will ever give credit too. God bless everyone, deceived or not

  60. Ron Murphy says:

    God bless you, Micah.

  61. Ron Murphy says:

    The best sense of humor is when you can look in a mirror, and laugh at the vision in front of you. You know it’s not real, but it suire does look like you. Sometimes the devil can look just as real, but we must judge by the works, not by the looks. Wisdom is justified by her Children, a famous Prophet once said, and that was my Hero, Jesus Christ the son of God.

  62. Lee Latham says:

    D City, well said. I can’t understand those that state that the bible is not to be used in today’s times because it was written so long ago. The Holy Bible is the living word because it continues to transform our lives if we study and follow God’s Holy word. God bless you!

  63. Gina says:

    http://bible-truth.org/VISIONS.html

    Thanks for your reply New York. I pray the same for you:)

    Alot of word twisting going on here too, along with scripture. Who said we shouldn’t use the bible today cause it was written so long ago? Or that God has no power today, which was written somewhere else. Big difference in saying not to use the bible today and expecting it to be used in context.

    We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

    • These verses may help some here:

      (2 Timothy 3:6 KJV) For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

      (2 Timothy 3:7 KJV) Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

      • Heather says:

        Good point! No reason to believe those verses won’t help somebody, just because they’ve not helped you.

        Yeah, Gina just doesn’t understand it’s in the copious numbers of verses a person can copy and paste that virtue lies, not in trying to understand all these pesky meanings. As you’ve demonstrated, the verses don’t even have to address the topic.

        I’m practicing! Take this, Gina!

        Judges 15:11 Then three thousand men of Judah went to the top of the rock Etam, and said to Samson, Knowest thou not that the Philistines are rulers over us? what is this that thou hast done unto us? And he said unto them, As they did unto me, so have I done unto them.

        Judges 15:12 And they said unto him, We are come down to bind thee, that we may deliver thee into the hand of the Philistines. And Samson said unto them, Swear unto me, that ye will not fall upon me yourselves.

        Judges 15:13 And they spake unto him, saying, No; but we will bind thee fast, and deliver thee into their hand: but surely we will not kill thee. And they bound him with two new cords, and brought him up from the rock.

        Judges 15:14 And when he came unto Lehi, the Philistines shouted against him: and the Spirit of the LORD came mightily upon him, and the cords that were upon his arms became as flax that was burnt with fire, and his bands loosed from off his hands.

        Judges 15:15 And he found a new jawbone of an ass, and put forth his hand, and took it, and slew a thousand men therewith.

        So, how did I do? Think this will shut Gina up? If not, we’ll show how bodily fluids and bird sacrifice neglect relates to Gina’s blindness and backsilden state.

        Got to get with highlighting some devastating verses from Leviticus, that also prove what Paul really meant by what people call “the rapture,” it’s true meaning in terms of clean or unclean Christian luncheon meats.

  64. Gina says:

    These should help too:

    Matthew 7:22-23
    English Standard Version (ESV)
    22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

    New Living Translation (©2007)
    But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means.

    • UREKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found the problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      LETS SEE TRUTH FOR ALL TO SEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      ESV translation:

      1 John 5:7
      English Standard Version (ESV)
      7 For there are three that testify:

      NOW THE KING JAMES VERSION WITH WHAT WAS REALLY SAID:

      1 John 5:7
      King James Version (KJV)
      7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one

      OK THATS A HUGE DIFFERENCE. ENTIRE WORDS AND SENTENCES LEFT OUT OF THE ESV MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON THEIR SOULS.

      NOW FOR THE NEW LIVING TRANSLATION CORRUPTION

      New Living Translation:

      Deuteronomy – “sodomite” changed to “temple prostitute”
      1 Kings 14:24 – “sodomites” replaced with “shrine prostitutes”
      1 Kings 15:12 – “sodomites” replaced with “shrine prostitutes”
      1 Kings 22:46 – “sodomites” replaced with “shrine prostitutes”
      2 Kings 23:7 – “sodomites” replaced with “shrine prostitutes”
      Matthew 17:21 – entire verse omitted
      Matthew 18:11 – entire verse omitted
      Matthew 19:9 – half of the verse is omitted
      Matthew 23:14 – entire verse omitted
      Mark 6:11 – half of the verse is omitted
      Mark 7:16 – entire verse omitted
      Mark 9:44, 46 – entire verses omitted
      Mark 11:26 – entire verse omitted
      Mark 15:28 – entire verse omitted
      Mark 16:9-20 – entire passage is questioned by a footnote that says, “The most reliable early manuscripts conclude the Gospel of Mark at verse 8″
      Luke 4:8 – “get thee behind me Satan” is omitted
      Luke 17:36 – entire verse omitted
      Luke 23:17 – entire verse omitted

      Now we all know the problem. May God have mercy on those that change his words.

      • Heather says:

        YEEHAW!!! Ride ‘em, City! Hey! Let’s copy and paste the whole Bible, confuse the heck out of the issue!

        • You can get as upset as you like Heather. I just proved the ESV translation of the bible is corrupted and left out some majorly important words and sentence.

          I just proved the New Living Translation is corrupted as well.

          So here we have a person teaching people they are wrong and twisting things. Where are they teaching this from. Bibles and translations proven to have left out thousands of sentences and verses and words. May God Have Mercy On Them.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        I’m still waiting for the Heathern Translation to come out. We might get it with commentaries from Gina.

  65. Debra says:

    Amen! D City! Teach on Brother!!!! God Bless you!

  66. Micah says:

    Ahhhh there it is. It’s from mans teaching. That’s why I don’t follow too closely to mans teaching, and instead focus on God and his word because I won’t get deceived if its just me and God. Poor Gina believs what this mans opinion is about dreams, rather then the truth from God himself. Plain and simple Gina believe what you want from that guy, and we will believe our God. Hope you choose to follow the creator, not his creations.

  67. YOU WILL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS.

    THEY ARE TEACHING FROM ESV AND NLT VERSIONS OF THE BIBLE. THESE BIBLES ARE CORRUPT AND HAVE DELIBERATELY LEFT WORDS, SENTENCES AND ENTIRE VERSES OUT OF SCRIPTURE. PROOF ABOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Heather says:

      SIC ‘EM, CITY!!!!!!!!!! POUND ‘EM WITH THEM BIG LETTERS!!!!!! TELL ‘EM YOU BE NO FOOL AND SEEIN’ THEIR APPLES, ORANGES ‘N KUMQUATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      HEY, Y’ALL!!!!!! THEM BIBLES EVEN DONE WENT ‘N LEFT MALACHY OUT Y’ALL WAS A WRITIN’ SOMETHIN’ FIERCE ‘BOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AIN’T NUTHIN’ PURE THAT BE’S A BADMOUTHIN’ THAT THERE MALACHY SCRIPTERIN’ WE’S ALL BELIEVES!!!!!!!!!!

      THAT GINA A BETTER BE STRAIGHTENIN’ OUT, ALLS I CAN SAY!!!!!! GETTIN’ READY TO WHIP ON HER WITH MY MEXICAN DINNER DREAMS ‘N VISIONS IFFIN’ SHE DON’ COME ‘ROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  68. This is exactly why I tell people to read their bibles side by side with other bibles. Your main bible should be KJV if at all possible and you have access to one. Read these other bibles along side the KJV

    Even the NKJV has corrupted things.

    The most accurate bible is the KJV reading them side by side you will see the truth. God Bless You All

  69. Ron Murphy says:

    D city, isn’t it funny, when they run out of argument they always bring up context. If that is their defense, why don’t they use it to start with, foul!

    • Their defense was just toasted. God have mercy on them. They need our prayers.

    • I have told people time and time again. That when you approach Gods words with honesty, integrity, innocence, humbleness and you share his words that when people come against you. You do not have to worry. He will step in and give you what to say. I have watched many people become humbled by this or get very angry. Not by me but by God.

      The ones who get angry and take it personal are the ones acting not of God. Or are acting with wrong intentions other then truth. The ones who are humbled and realize their error, then turn back to God, and seek and turn towards God in repentance will be back in Gods grace. If not they will grow further and further from God and his grace. Because they are not acting with God but against him.

  70. I just proved that THEIR CONTEXT IS BEING TRANSLATED AND TAKEN FROM CORRUPTED CONTEXT. There is no arguing that at all. These people come at us saying we are twisting words and changing words and calling us false teachers.

    I just showed the translations they are using are doing exactly what they are trying to say we are doing.

    YOU WILL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS!!!!

    COLD HARD FACTS. Go and look and investigate it. I just showed it all and layed it all out on the table for all to see. God Bless

  71. Ron Murphy says:

    Amen brother. Heather scratch that Heathren translation, will ya?

    • Heather says:

      Sorry! I can’t stop, just can’t stop! I’m so toasted by being in the presence of all you legendary theologians that I need to take a break and put grape jelly on my rear! Just toasted… woe is me…

  72. Ron Murphy says:

    I think Diane said it all, Though.

  73. Based on her last post I think DCity posting correct accurate gospel made the demons in her convulse. She is literally insane.

  74. Ron Murphy says:

    I agree, Roland.

  75. Ron Murphy says:

    We all love you Heather, Come back!

  76. Heather says:

    Okay. You masters of theology are all right, and I am wrong. I feel so ashamed. It struck me, the exact correlation to all your arguments was in the words of the prophet that, in fact, prove Gina antichrist, that great prophet, Mel Brooks, in the purest, genuine frontier gibberish: that which unifies, veritably proves, all your arguments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <— copious exclamation marks of a true theologian, kumbaya… In the tradition of those things extra-Biblical and holy as that greatest of all blog prophets, Malachy, and swearing on three pages of copies and pastes of random Bible verses, and though a lesser prophecy, still:

    "I wash born here, an I wash raished here, and dad gum it, I am gonna die here, an no sidewindin bushwackin, hornswaglin, cracker croaker is gonna rouin me bishen cutter."

    Nothing is said about context or dispensations, and we are admonished to take a stand. Sorry, Gina. Repent while you can still blog!

  77. DCity,Ron and Micah, you’re all humble men preaching Gods word from scripture. God bless you. Its upliifting. You’re all class acts brothers.

  78. Post 211 might be rapid cycling bipolar disorder…untreated obviously.

    • Heather says:

      Well, even if I were bipolar, I may still stand a good chance of getting the post number correct that’s right in front of my face, what, one screen back? Go back to sleep, before you make me sleepy, ROLAND.

      On the other hand, Ron may be bipolar, but I just have to believe you’re ripping me, Rolly, and, as usual, just having difficulty getting anything together, much less anything of real use or amusement to anybody.

      What is this thing you do, come to the blog, as if fart a couple times, and go?

    • Don’t worry Roland learned and stable people can figure out which post it was. It was 211, the numbers change based on peoples replies, you were right. God Bless

  79. Meaning Manic heather’s post.

  80. Ron Murphy says:

    Thank you, Roland. We just uphold the word of God. We could do nothing without Him.

  81. Gina says:

    Ah Heather you made me laugh though i fear it went over their heads.
    I have decided to abandon ship and remember my own advice about casting pearls before swine.
    They don’t want to listen and frankly i find all the straw man arguments sickening at best.
    They cannot say they were not warned and i can leave knowing i contended for the faith as best i could. I think i stayed too long.

    • Heather says:

      Tell me about it. I know I’ve stayed to long, I mean, KNOW, and you’re 100% right, also have well contended: is this like some form of kicking against the pricks?

      Well, maybe it has gone over their heads, but as long as they feel something in their behinds, this could prove they’re not completely dead. As they say, hope springs eternal…

      Love you, Gina!

  82. Thanks Gina if there is anything I can do to help let me know.

  83. Ive got to run to lenscrafters to pick up the new specks. My KJV Bible was getting fuzzy. Old age…blaaa. good night brothers and God Bless.

  84. Micah says:

    Heather is the female version of Pastor Steve. Wait, are you sure you aren’t the same person? Haven’t read any of his accusations and belittling and always being right in a while. God bless, I don’t have time for immaturity. Btw this is coming from a 21 year old, which makes it a shame if you are older.

  85. Ron Murphy says:

    Hey! Heather isn’t it time for your meds?

  86. Ron Murphy says:

    Thanks , brother, that’s the one.

  87. why don’t these guys just TAKE OFF their sheep’s clothing?

    besides, summer is just around the corner.

  88. How can they wear those dresses in the heat? I bet they sweat like a boy on his first date.

  89. Mike says:

    It’s a joke Ron, we joke all the time on here, if Valerie

    is offended, she can let me know. OK !

  90. Ron Murphy says:

    Valerie has never offended even 1 person on here. She doesn’t deserved to be picked on. Pick on me or D City , brother. We have offended much, We deserve it, I’ll defend Valerie , she has a pure heart. I mean no offense to you., but please pick on someone else. Thank you, brother, God bless you, Mike.

    • Mike says:

      Ok Ron…if you want to be picked on here’s one for you

      Why did the blonde,.stare at a bottle of orange juice ?

      Because it said….concentrate ! No worries Ron

      • Ron Murphy says:

        That’s a good one, Mike. I’m glad I’m not blonde. My wife loved that one, too. She used to be blonde when she was younger, she’s older and wiser, now. And I’m about to get in big trouble here, so bye

  91. Ron Murphy says:

    Can someone tell me why it seems every body out there is thinking the pope will be the antichrist, I’m totally confused!!!! Can anyone give me something from any where to point me in the right direction, anything?

  92. Thank you Ron what a sweetie you are :-) it does appear to me that’s all they wear is dresses.

  93. valerie gould says:

    You are a mess.

  94. valerie gould says:

    Oh you guys are too funny

  95. Ron Murphy says:

    I agree, Valerie. The pope is an antichrist, D City, he claims to be God, but that about does it. How can he be the anti Christ of Revelation? To begin with Daniel chapter 8, with Daniel chapter 11 plainly tells us he has to come from the Grecian empire, not the Roman empire. Just stop to think for a minute, if you were satan and you knew that Daniel prophesied the antichrist to perfection , just what would you do to deceive the world. Would you not do your best to fulfill Daniels prophesies. Well satan did this with Antiochus Epiphanes in B.C. 175. He done just as Daniel had Prophesied. But there is one thing missing here. Just what was the significance of Antiochus. Was it just to prove Daniel was a true prophet. Because that is all it amounts to. God does not work like that. If He says something it’s got meaning behind it. But mean while satan is laying back laughing his self silly at all God’s children for falling for his lie. You see Antiochus was from that Grecian empire, he play it out so perfect. The key here is, 4 times Gabriel, told Daniel his vision was in the last days. They are in Daniel 8:17, twice in Dan. 8:19 and again in Dan. 8:23. Let’s look at the on in Dan. 8:19, ” in the last end of the indignation”. If we turn to Daniel 11:36 we say this same antichrist prospering until the indignation be accomplished. We see Daniel seeking for understanding of the 70 years determined upon Jerusalem and Judah in Dan. chapter 9. But Zachariah, sheds light on this in verse Zech.1:12. Zephaniah also gave his part in Zeph. 3:8. Nahum 1: 6,7 is another good place, and many others. My point here is this, don’t let the enemy deceive you, for if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.Matt.24:24. Just because satan paints a pretty picture don’t fall for it. God has a purpose in what he does. He does nothing in vain. But the enemy uses vanity to deceive many.

  96. Yes I agree. With that said, how do you see prophecy playing out?

  97. Ron Murphy says:

    D City, The antichrist is a man, Dan. 7:17 verifies this. I’m sure the prince of Persia is the horn that controls the nation of Persia. It is possible that this demon( horn ) could be satan, but personally, I doubt it. He still has a work to that is for sure. I might believe he will be one of the two horns of the false prophet. You see Daniel also talked about another prince in Dan.10:20, and that is where the antichrist will originate. But still I can’t say this is significant. I personally believe satan has many horns for different places and different works. In Rev 13:2 we see satan giving power to the beast, his seat, and great authority. I believe satan will be in this man, possess him. Why would I believe such a thing? I believe satan wants God’s throne upon the earth, His seat, His authority, and His kingdom. And for about 7 years he will get it. Dan. 11:21 and very clearly in Dan 7:18. it might be possible the prince of Persia to be satan , who knows? But personally, I can not see it.

  98. Debra says:

    Daniel 10: 13 is where the Prince of Persia is mentioned not anywhere else. It’s talking about a principality of Persia not an actual man . Possibly but not sure, Gabrial the arch angel said he was withstood (fighting with)) with this principality for 21 days. It has nothing to do with the ant-christ, but everything with giving Daniel understanding about the latter days.

    Daniel 10: 7-14, And I Daniel alone saw the vision: for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking (terror) fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves.

    (8) Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me; for my vigor was turned in me into frailty, and I retained no strength.

    (9) Yet heard I the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground.

    (10) And behold a hand touched me and upon the palms of my hands.

    (11) and he said to me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak to you, and stand upright: for to you am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word to me, I stood trembling.

    (12)Then said he to me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that you set your heart to understand, and to humble yourself before your God, Your words were heard, and I am come for your words.

    (13) But the prince (principality) of(over) the kingdom of Persia withstood(fought with) me one and twenty days: but then Michael (another arch angel for Israel), one of the chief princes(archangel), came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of persia(Principalities),

    (14) Now I am come to make you understand what shall befall your people in the latter days; for yet the vision is for many days(years).

    So we see he was talking about a battle that was going on with principalities (powerful devils) to hinder the angel from delivering the wisdom and understanding that Daniel was asking for about his People Israel, not the anti-christ. God bless!

  99. Ron Murphy says:

    D City, I see prophecy coming together, as first peace in the middle east. Daniel 11:21 but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. This is also signified by the white horseman of Revelation 6:2. 1 Thess. 5:3 for when they shall say, peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them. I believe he will make a pact with the Jews, giving them the right to build their temple and begin sacrifice. That is Dan. 9:27. In Dan. 11:23, we see this covenant made with him. Don’t look for it to be someone significant. This man will not look important at the beginning. Dan. 11:23 also says that he shall come up and shall become strong with a small people.

  100. Ron Murphy says:

    The strong horn that is between the beasts eyes, could be satan, or if not then maybe one of the other principalities in high places, it is possible to be any of them.

  101. Ron Murphy says:

    Once he makes the covenant of Dan. 9:27, the second thing to look for, would be his military power. This is significant in Dan. 11:22 and with the arms of a flood, shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant. The prince of the covenant that he overflows here, are the Jews. Soon after, we will see him go to war with Egypt. Dan. 11:25. If the rapture hasn’t happened by this point, you have very little time left to get ready for tribulation. The gaining of this military power is significant in the white horseman of Rev. and leads into the red horseman. You can do your own study on this. this is before the tribulation and the abomination of desolation. The Jewish people will be pleased that they can sacrifice once again, they will not contest him. This goes on for the first 3 1/2 yrs. of the 7 year period.

  102. Ron Murphy says:

    Next, that is when all **** breaks loose, and I mean that literally. Somebody see’s who this man is and they set out to stop him. But that is a mistake. You can’t kill the devil. Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed. From this point on he was given 42 months to continue Rev. 13:5. By the way, this is parallel with the black horseman , and the beginning of the great tribulation. Satan will bring him back to life, Isaiah 14:9. Back to the origination of the antichrist, Isaiah 14:25,26, should be included. Joel 3:4 and very strongly, in Micah 5:5,6,7. Ezek. 28:1-19 will also shed light on the origination of the antichrist. This also signifies that the horn is satan. He is given power to deceive the people by his strong words and by the words of his prophet, and because he was killed by a Christian (speculating) , I believe that will help the world to persecute God’s elect. People will love this man so much, they would almost lay down their lives for him. A greater prophet than Mohammed, this man will be recognized. Once he is brought back to life, Rev. 17:8, Rev. 13:3,4,12, he will set up the abomination of desolation. Matt. 24:15 talks about this abomination as ‘standing in the holy place’. Dan. 11:31 says ” and they shall place the abomination,” Dan. 9:27 says “and for the overspreading of abominations’. Dan. 12:11 says “and the abomination that maketh desolate set up.” Because it is standing and set up, I believe this could be the image of the beast, spoken of in Rev. 13:14,15.

  103. I knew something wasn’t right with Bob Barker. But I guess the price was right! Can’t say I am surprise. I was always suspect of him anyways.

  104. Ron Murphy says:

    I believe we should be watching The Muslim Brotherhood for one, I believe many of the 10 horns of the beast will come from this same group and one of those will be the antichrist. Dan 7:8. There is a clue given in Daniel about these 10 horns He speaks of the 3 that were plucked up in Dan. 7:8, 24. Could these 3 be Spoken of in Dan. 11:41? Makes me wonder. I’ll leave this for some other time though. There is so much to this, like I’m missing half of it already, I mean I doing this out of my head, from the Bible. This is not planned out. I don’t want to rush it to much. Once you start seeing it, the whole Bible Prophesies start coming into play. There just to much to cover in one topic. But I’m watching the middle east. I’m looking for that meeting of the 10 horns giving the Jews the go ahead of the temple. And it’s looking very close. Thing are near to happen.

    • Persia is Iran :) The interesting thing is, communism is a major player for the antichrist, So are muslims. The north is mentioned much. The north can be turkey, syria, russia ect ect. The color red is mentioned much.

      If you combine the charaistics of color, north, assyrian, ect ect put em all together. Then I believe the anitchrist will come from Syria, Turkey, or Russia. Those are three of the main ones. Possibly Egypt, Iraq. He will not be from Iran I do not think. I think Iran will be used to accomplish things but will ultimately just be used for a small purpose in the beginning.

      But once again my thoughts are communism fits into the swing the world seems to be taking on. Remember socialism leads to communism. The entire world that is not already communist is moving rapidly towards socialism and socialism is moving towards communism.

      Communism will bring One world Order.

      Ok so communism is color red. The bible mentions north and red (scarlot) much.

      So the antichrist which again just speculating will I think come from Turkey, Syria or Russia. Either way those countries will be major players. Turkeys flag is red. Russia is associated with Red. Communism and islam is associated in and aaround thouse areas.

      Again just some toughts.

  105. How does communism usually take over countries? By invading them with a big army and air force and conquering them by force of arms? No, they do it by propaganda! THEY FIRST CAPTURE THE MINDS OF THE PEOPLE WITH THEIR DOCTRINE and then let the people themselves turn to communism and take over their own government by force of arms.

    For the past 50 years or so, the COMMUNISTS HAVE BEEN RISING UP AND BECOMING STRONG WITH A “SMALL” OR LITERALLY “LITTLE PEOPLE.”

    These “little people” of the oppressed classes and races, when they begin to starve and die under the cruel heel of a dictatorially oppressive and terroristic government, they at last become WILLING TO FIGHT AND DIE TO OVERTHROW IT. The communists then step in to supply them with the arms, leadership, inspiration, and ability to do it.

    Today in nearly every noncommunist country, a very very small minority of the people owns a very very large majority of everything, and a very very large majority of the people have little or nothing.

    This is one of the first things that a communist victory corrects: THEY TAKE THE SPOIL OF VICTORY (THE LANDS AND RICHES) AWAY FROM THE RICH AND DIVIDE IT UP TO THE POOR! This is very unusual for conquerors to do, except of course, among their own armies; therefore, by this the communist conquerors do something their “fathers have not done.”

    For instance, when Castro took over Cuba, the poor peasants, or farm labourers, were practically starving to death: nothing to eat, no houses, just shanties and huts, no schools no hospitals–nothing! So CASTRO TOOK THE LAND AWAY FROM THE RICH AND DIVIDED IT UP, giving each of these peasants a little plot of land–3 to 5 acres, or something like that, to feed himself and his family and to produce enough to sell and help the government.

    THIS IS VERY APPEALING TO THE AVERAGE POOR PERSON WHO HAS NOTHING, and so it really helps to gain their support! It really helped to solidify Castro in power. So by this and measures like it, the communists really “divide the land for gain.”

    THE COMMUNIST DICTATORS HAVE COME THE CLOSEST TO FULFILLING THIS COMPLETE OVERTHROW OF ALL RELIGION that the world has ever known. All other past kings, dictators, and world rulers have always had some religion or semblance of religion, pretending to worship the gods of their fathers; even the Roman Caesars did this.

    Why? Because GOVERNMENTS CAN ONLY RULE OVER THE BODIES OF PEOPLE, BUT IT TAKES SOMETHING ELSE TO INFLUENCE THEIR SPIRITS, to make them willing slaves, and really obedient from the heart. So the organised, recognised false religious system co-operates with the government to keep the people willing.

    Why, then, for the first time in history does the communist government decide it can get along without religion? Because COMMUNISM IS NOT JUST A GOVERNMENT; IT IS ALSO A RELIGION, a worship of the material and of man and of the government. Communism is a very puritanical, extremely self-righteous and narrow-minded doctrine. It’s a religion of self-righteousness. The cardinal principle of communism is that man is his own God–SELF-WORSHIP.

    Their idea is: “We are going to have as much brotherly love, as much self-sacrificial spirit, as much sharing as you could possibly have–but without God.” In other words, “We are going to be God.” THIS IS THE ULTIMATE IN BLASPHEMY, OR SPEAKING AGAINST GOD! This is the very same thing Satan said to himself: “I will be like the most High.”

    The dragon is red, the beast is red, and what great anti-Christ, anti-God government now sweeping the world is also RED? Sounds like all the same to me. Surely the devil is in communism, surely it is anti-Christ, and surely it is called red. SO IF COMMUNISM IS NOT THIS GOVERNMENT THAT IS DESCRIBED IN THESE ANCIENT PROPHECIES, I DON’T KNOW WHAT IS. It is certainly at least the preparation for it–that’s for sure!

  106. Ron Murphy says:

    Russia would be a large people. So would Turkey. Russia is not part of the old Grecian empire. So Turkey or Syria. I am firmly convinced that Jerusalem is the harlot of Revelation’s mystery Babylon, that great city. But that is another subject, I could go on for days with. I believe she’s called ‘mystery Babylon’ because of her captivity from that empire, just as she was called ‘Sodom and Egypt’ for her captivity from that empire. She took the gods of those nations to make her the harlot against God. Rev. 11:8. Ezek. 23:14 talks about the red of the Chaldeans, whom she committed whoredoms with, but Ezek. 28:2 just about points it up for me, showing Tyre sitting in the seat of God, saying that he is God. If that doesn’t fulfill Paul’s 2 Thess. 2:4, I don’t know what would. We can see from Ezek. 28:12, that the king of Tyre is satan. How could he be satan, unless he was the antichrist?

    • I tend to agree with you to much extent. People think Israel is protected by God for the wrong reasons. What you need to understand is they are going to accept the antichrist. In other words point in fact. The Jews crucified Jesus but they are ultimately going to accept the anitchirst.

      The reason they are being protected or it so appears is for the fulfillment of prophecy. Ultimately the Jews will accept and make deals with the antichrist and he will have control over Jerusalem. People for some reason can not see this. What people fail to realize it the great power and wealth that Israel has amassed and anyone who controls Israel when this is said and done will have ALL THE SPOIL AND RICHES.

      These same people rejected Christ but will accept the antichrist.

      People tell me I am nuts. NOPE!! Just the facts. Would you like to know if what I am saying is biblical. YES!!!! Need proof?

      OK HERE IS PROOF!! Jesus said this:

      (John 5:43 KJV) I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

  107. Ron Murphy says:

    Lebanon, The old Syrian state, Tyra, YES!!! That’s what I’m saying That’s it, that’s it. Thank you.

  108. The interesting thing is you said Turkey or Syria from what we were discussing above. Let me add some bible info to Turkey or Syria.

    (Revelation 2:12 KJV) And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

    Pergamos (Pergamum) Is MODERN DAY TURKEY!!

    (Revelation 2:13 KJV) I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan’s seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

    (Luke 17:26 KJV) And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

    (Matthew 24:37 KJV) But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    Noah’s ark came to rest on mount Ararat. Where is that located? MODERN DAY TURKEY.

  109. Ron Murphy says:

    Now you got me started over on the other one.

  110. I can not eliminate Turkey. I can not Eliminate Syria or Turkey. For my own reasons I can not eliminate Egypt. Lebanon now too. If I had to narrow it down in order I am going to have to say Turkey, Syria, (Lebanon) Egypt. Ultimately this is where I think he will come out of. He will ultimately assume control of Russia.

  111. Ron Murphy says:

    That is interesting? I didn’t know where Pergamos was. But that still isn’t God seat. But never the less I will not exclude Turkey as being the king of the north. It has to be Turkey or Syria. Geographically Turkey would be the answer to the 4 winds of the old Grecian empire spoken by Dan. 11:4 and Dan 8:22 & Dan. 8:8. But just what he meant by the king of the north is a mystery, as Syria is north of Jerusalem and Egypt is the southern king hands down. You could take it either way. But because of him coming up from the 10 horns and because of Ezek. 28, I’m inclined to lean toward Syria.

  112. Ron Murphy says:

    I don’t think he will control Russia, Russia is coming to fight him in his kingdom palace, Jerusalem. They are coming to claim the kingdom for themselves.

  113. Verses with Assyrian in it!!!!!!! Lets eliminate whats not pertinent.

    Isa_10:5 O Assyrian,, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation.

    Isa_10:24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian,: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.

    Isa_14:25 That I will break the Assyrian, in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.

    Isa_19:23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

    Isa_23:13 Behold the land of the Chaldeans; this people was not, till the Assyrian, founded it for them that dwell in the wilderness: they set up the towers thereof, they raised up the palaces thereof; and he brought it to ruin.

    Isa_30:31 For through the voice of the LORD shall theAssyrian, be beaten down, which smote with a rod.

    Isa_31:8 Then shall the Assyrian, fall with the sword, not of a mighty man; and the sword, not of a mean man, shall devour him: but he shall flee from the sword, and his young men shall be discomfited.

    Isa_52:4 For thus saith the Lord GOD, My people went down aforetime into Egypt to sojourn there; and the Assyrian, oppressed them without cause.

    Eze_31:3 Behold, the Assyrian, was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.

    Hos_5:13 When Ephraim saw his sickness, and Judah saw his wound, then went Ephraim to the Assyrian,, and sent to king Jareb: yet could he not heal you, nor cure you of your wound.

    Hos_11:5 He shall not return into the land of Egypt, but the Assyrian, shall be his king, because they refused to return.

    Mic_5:5 And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian, shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.

    Mic_5:6 And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.

  114. Ron Murphy says:

    D City, check out Isa.23:17

  115. (Isaiah 23:17 KJV) And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy years, that the LORD will visit Tyre, and she shall turn to her hire, and shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth.

    Yes!!! What about it? I want to hear what you have to say about it.

  116. Ron Murphy says:

    And then Joel 3:4 after or about the time of the battle of the Lord.

  117. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev. 17:2 , Rev.18:3,9

  118. Just so we understand the New Tyre is not the same site as the old Tyre.

    K now Joel 3:4

    (Joel 3:4 KJV) Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;

  119. Tyre was badly damaged in the late 1970s (Operation Litani) and early 1980s (1982 Lebanon War) during the war between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). The city was used as a base by the PLO, and was nearly destroyed by Israeli artillery. After Israel’s 1982 invasion of southern Lebanon, the city was the site of an Israeli military post. In late 1982, and again on November 1983, buildings housing Israeli headquarters were destroyed by bombs, causing dozens of deaths in both cases and known in Israel as the First and Second Tyre Catastrophes. The 1983 explosion, by a suicide truck, happened only 10 days after similar car bombs exploded in the US Marines and French paratroop barracks in Beirut. Israel and the US blame Iran and Hezbollah for all explosions, but they have denied any involvement.

    During the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict, several rocket-launching sites used by Hezbollah to attack Israel were located in rural areas around the city. At least one village near the city was bombed by Israel, as well as several sites within the city, causing civilian deaths, and adding to the food shortage problem inside Tyre. Israeli naval commandos also raided Hezbollah targets within the city.

    Today, Tyre is a predominantly Shi’a Muslim city with a small but noticeable Christian community. However, the city of Tyre is home for more than 60,000 Palestinian refugees who are mainly Sunni Muslim. The Amal Movement and Hezbollah are the most popular parties, representing all of the Shi’a seats in the city as of the 2009 elections.

  120. How is Tyre committing fornication with nations of the earth? Or your saying that will come to pass?

  121. Ron Murphy says:

    Because of Ezek. 28. I still believe Trya is the city the antichrist is coming from. I’m not saying Tyra will get built again. But that it is connected with the antichrist. Look at her in prophecy. She is prophesied at the end times of both Ezek. and Isa. Both cover the regathering of 144000 in Israel Ezek. prophesies against Egypt just after Tyra. I’m not saying it’s Tyra for sure, but I believe it is the home land of the antichrist.

    • Gottcha! I can see how you would say that and we definitely can not eliminate it but I have got a ton of evidence for Turkey. But we are seeing a ton of things happen right now with Turkey and Syria.

      Here is the real bad news. America supports Turkey. Thats bad, very bad, like biblically going against God bad. Like not a joke. Very Serious! Read all the scariest parts of the bible bad, no matter how you measure it up its bad.

    • There is no set amount of time for a prophecy to be fulfilled. Some say what I showed you in that video has happened, others say it has not happened and the prophecy is still being fulfilled. The prophecy in and around Tyre is extremely detailed and Tyre exists today but NOT THE ORIGINAL SITES. Originally it was 20-40 miles north of modern Tyre today and was on main land and island. Today the new Tyre is 20-40 miles south of original location.

  122. Ron Murphy says:

    It’s not Tyra that is the harlot, She is just used as a Symbol of the Harlot because of his origin. I believe Jerusalem is the Harlot. But she was also called Sodom and Egypt. She is call Mystery Babylon, She could be represented as Tyra as well. But that is going to far for me. I will not teach Tyra as the origin of the antichrist, but specify she could be, being a part of what I believe to be the ten horns of the beast.

  123. Turkey has red flag and is associated with color red.

    Turkey is site where ark came to rest on mount Ararat.

    Turkey is modern location of pergamos (pergamum)

    Turkey is specifically mentioned as where satans seat is and where satan dwelleth

    Turkey is northward

    Turkey is muslim

    Turkey is communist

    Turkey has been supported and has modern technological weapons of mass destruction due to the U.S.

  124. Ron Murphy says:

    And as I said Turkey ,I can not eliminate as being the origin of the antichrist. But I do know it’s not Francis. LOL Unless of coarse he’s from Syria or Turkey.

  125. Ron Murphy says:

    Well I can not see how Mount Ararat is significant as far as the antichrist goes, but you have a good argument otherwise. Especially with Pergamos, The red flag and Most of all it is the country to the north as far as the winds go. You have brought much to my attention on Turkey as a possibility.

    • well Mount Ararat is considered by most historians and much supposed evidence has pointed to Noah’s ark coming to rest on mount Ararat which is in Turkey. The only correlation there is tied with these verses.

      (Luke 17:26 KJV) And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

      (Matthew 24:37 KJV) But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

      People also forget Noah lived for hundreds of years before and after flood. Thats a stretch but still interesting.

  126. I do not say or jump to conclusions. I have told people time and time again to much focus on any one person or individual could cause people to fall into the very deception they were trying to avoid to begin with so I do warn people to not become to focused on any one thing or person. Speculation is fine and should be done and discussed. But to call darth vader the antichrist well you just need to turn off the hellivision.

  127. Ron Murphy says:

    Yes Daniel has very little of the rapture. Most Prophets didn’t cover rapture, I believe because it doesn’t have anything much to do with the Jewish people.

  128. Ron Murphy says:

    Great Discussion, I hope others have learned, as we have. To God be all the Glory.

  129. They are being given every opportunity to accept him. When its all said and done those who haven’t will not have an excuse.

  130. Ron Murphy says:

    True, But I believe they won’t until the very end. And that is what brings Him back to earth.

  131. Ron Murphy says:

    Good I like questions. LOL!!!

  132. Diane says:

    D-City, I believe the scripture where it’s referring to “as in the days of Noah” refer to the sin that caused it to be destroyed being rampant in the time of the end. I believe we are in that time “as in the days of Noah” because of the sodomy that is practiced and the legalization of marriage between them.

    Sodomy and nephelim in that day caused God to destroy it but He saved a tiny remnant in Noah and his family.

    Some believe that nephelim are coming back and I do not know but believe it is possible but we definitely know that sodomy is rampant and will get worse, we see it everyday.

    So I don’t think Turkey can be counted as the land that the antichrist is coming out of because of any correlation of that passage but you have other compelling thoughts that make it something to consider. I have always felt it would be Syria that he comes from but I don’t understand the original lands versus what is modern like you guys so I surely don’t have a unchangeable opinion.

    Good discussion guys!

    Diane aka Ron’s sister :-)

  133. I think it will be Turkey or Syria both have much evidence to lead to such. We are just tossing stuff back and forth.

  134. Diane says:

    I figured as much :-) …. I can tell you study. Yet wasn’t sure why you were were correlating Mt Ararat and the antichrist being from Turkey from those scriptures. ;-) so I just thought I would bring it up. I had to jump in somewhere LOL…. now for wondering where my brother is, maybe he’s still sleeping LOL.

    I don’t have much to offer but I love to read yours and Ron’s ongoing conversation and idea’s. Iron sharpens iron.

  135. Ron Murphy says:

    I think we can keep our eyes on both place fairly easy since they are close together. But Syria does, once again, fulfill Dan. 11:23 for he shall come up, and become strong with a small people. It’s seem to be getting smaller every day.

  136. Ron Murphy says:

    I can’t type like you can, Sis. It takes me all morning to say something, LOL

  137. Ron Murphy says:

    We do know this antichrist and the false prophet will be steeped into witchcraft, very deeply. Dan. 8:23 verifies this.

  138. Ron Murphy says:

    Yes you are right ,sis I was still in bed. I was late studying nano tec. and transhumanism.

  139. Diane says:

    Ronnie, get a voice to type software program. You speak, it types, copy and paste……

    I am thankful I took typing in high school. :-)

  140. Ron Murphy says:

    Dragon? that one worries me. Especially when the phone number is 666.lol Do you know of any other?

  141. Ron Murphy says:

    It not so much , I believe this is an antichrist, but rather just who am I giving my money to, anyway?

  142. Diane says:

    Well, I have Dragon on my ipad, haven’t tried any others, it does have a little issue with my accent LOL. I guess it doesn’t understand all of the hillbilly dialogue. No I don’t know of others but there are several just do some research.

  143. Ron Murphy says:

    If God can use the devil for his purpose, I suppose we can to.

  144. ALLOW ME TO CLEAR UP SOME THINGS ON THIS SENSATION OF NEPHILIM.

    Nephilim means giant or tyrants or violent men. Much sensationalism has come up over this word. I can not seem to find this word in the KJV meaning they used the word Giant or Tyrant which is the correct translation from Hebrew from Strong’s word #5303

    NEPHILIM
    H5303
    נפל נפיל
    nephı̂yl nephil
    nef-eel’, nef-eel’
    From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: – giant.

    The term “MIGHTY MEN” translates from the word Gibbowr:

    GIBBOWR
    H1368
    גּבּר גּבּור
    gibbôr gibbôr
    ghib-bore’, ghib-bore’
    Intensive from the same as H1397; powerful; by implication warrior, tyrant: – champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.

    The verses in question are Genesis 6:4-5 and Numbers 13:33

    It is the term “sons of God” that throws people off. The only places in the bible that “sons of God” is referred to as angelic beings is Job 1:6 and Job 2:1. THOSE ARE THE ONLY TIMES. Many Many Many Many other times in Hosea, Psalms and throughout new testament it is referring to children of God, Believers in the Lord.

    The term sons of God is also used to described the children of Israel or Gods people. Particularly in Hosea and Psalms. The term sons of God is used quite a bit in the new testament and in every single instance it refers to believers in Jesus Christ.

    It is also a historical fact that ancient rulers termed themselves sons of God to enhance their power and prestige.

    The term “sons of God” has many historical and biblical meanings. The very LEAST of which is identifying the sons of God as angelic beings. 2 times it means angels. Many Many Many Many times it means people of God, Children of God, Believers in the Lord.

    The idea of angels, demons, aliens mating with humans is found in much paganism, mythology and has been greatly sensationalized.

    Biblical roots for such teaching is in reality non existent!!

    So the biblical text in Genesis 6 is obviously communicating.
    In the days of Noah the earth had become filled with violent thugs, tyrants, ruling and destroying by strength, terror and blood shed. There is no mention of angels, demons or space aliens.

    (Genesis 6:5 KJV) And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

    Again no mention of demons, angels or space aliens.

    Godly men abandoned their commitment to God and took pagan wives and over much time, this spiritual degeneration of the culture resulted in a violent culture ruled by terrorists and violent tugs.

    DOES THIS SOUND FAMILIAR?

    It was this overtly spiritual degeneration of the culture that brought Gods ultimate hand of judgment upon the earth. The bible says these same days are coming again. So is Gods Great and Final Judgment.

    Nephilim is a sensational topic. Some may not like the conclusions here because they do not line up with popular sensationalism.

    For those who reference the Book of Enoch, it is NOT the Word Of God. It is a writing rejected by Biblical Scholars for centuries. I give it no credence whatsoever for biblical truth. It is an interesting read and that is all it is.

  145. Ron Murphy says:

    I know many people pick Rome as the 4th beast of Daniel. But I would like to point out the Roman empire was very much like the Grecian empire. Where as Dan. 7:7, says , the 4th beast was diverse from all the beast that were before it.

  146. Diane says:

    Ronnie, I didn’t pay for Dragon, I got the app free for the ipad. There are a lot of things associated with the number 666 concerning computers. Lots of ports were in that line of numbers.

    • The number is non significant until you personally take the number of his name. Referencing worship of him. If your in line at the checkout and change is 666 it does not mean your going to hell. Although I make it a habit myself to avoid the number. The bible is referring to you personally taking his number as in worshiping him. 666 is a way for you to identify him. God Bless

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Isn’t the beast system a way for him to identify us? That is, if we take the mark. I’m not getting any tattoo or chip on or in me! Ron’s wife (Brenda).

  147. Diane says:

    D City, I also do not give credence to the book of Enoch. If God would have wanted it included in scripture it would have been with it.

  148. Much of the association of the word Giant is because hebrews were small people compared to other races of people. Therefore they referred to these other violent men who were larger then they were as Giants.

  149. Now there is biblical references to people living longer and being much larger then they are today. Remember populations were much lower on earth the further we go back in time. So because people lived longer it is quite possible people were much much larger then they are today. Some places in bible reference people next to trees and being same height.

  150. Ron Murphy says:

    Yes D City I agree 100% with that. The doctrine of serpent seed is a predestined doctrine and those that teach such things curse themselves. I have some theories on the subject. Just suppose the sons of God were here on earth and men that presented themselves to the Lord. Job1:6, and satan came in with them. Many teach satan has excess to God’s throne, but I’m not convinced. Could it be that God created a man before Adam that maybe didn’t have a soul. Science does have two species. And as they interbred would explain the evolutionary process, they see today, Cain did take a wife. Perhaps this is where the giants originated from. We do know Noah was perfect in his Generations Gen. 6:9. Just a thought.

    • We can speculate but no where does it mention angels being able to produce. However it does show angels can take on human form, possess and influence people. So if bad angels, fallen angels/demons corrupted people spiritually away from God. Thus the bad seed. Noah’s line and seed was not corrupted and faithful to God.

    • If God created man before Adam I think he would have clearly said so. Also to claim that God created a man without soul is to imply God makes mistakes or is imperfect all of which does not line up with the one true God.

    • satan does have access to heaven I do not know about Gods throne but he does have access to heaven that is clearly stated in scripture. That is seen in the book of Job and we see that it is Michael that kicks him out of heaven and banishes him to earth for the latter days or times of the end. At that point he no longer has access to be in the presence of the Lord and angels.

      • His realm is earthly but has always had accesss to heavn and he traveled back and forth from earth to heaven several times in scripture. We also see Michael kicks him out of heaven and all in heaven celebrate because he is no longer able to .

        (Revelation 12:7 KJV) And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
        (Revelation 12:8 KJV) And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
        (Revelation 12:9 KJV) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
        (Revelation 12:10 KJV) And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Luke 10:18 I beheld satan as lightening fall from heaven.

        • Correct. satan fell from heaven fallen angel / demon. Many angels fell with him. They lost their place in heaven and roam the earth. But satan has always been able to appear in heaven as well until Michael kicks him out. His turf is EARTH since he fell from heaven, but has always been able to appear in heaven and accuse the breathern before God continually right up until the end times here on earth or latter days or times of the end. Michael then kicks him out of heaven permanently and he can no longer go into heaven to accuse us before God. When this happens satan turns his entire focus and anger upon Gods people on earth in an attempt to corrupt all he can and get us to worship him instead of God.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            This is Bren, again…we all stand before the Lord, spiritually wise…don’t you think, otherwise, he wouldn’t be able to keep record of us in the Books, up there, am I right? the heavenly realm, to me, is the spiritual realm of God, also. But it is also true, what you said. I don’t believe that God let’s him anywhere near the throne room, as he is vile and detestible…..maybe in a lower part of heaven, or, just the spiritual realm, like I said. Something to think about….

  151. Ron Murphy says:

    For he also is flesh is another thing to take in consideration Gen 6:3, interesting!

  152. The further you move from God and his word the more susceptible you are to taking on or being overcome by evil spirits.

  153. The corruption in the seed is the spiritual corruption. Our fight is against evil spirits and forces. Its not physical its spiritual that is stated in the bible.

  154. Our flesh is weak and it is our weakness in the flesh that opens us up to be spiritually corrupted.

  155. valerie gould says:

    That’s not true its written Satan is before the throne he is the acuser of the brethren daily.

  156. Ron Murphy says:

    God doesn’t make mistakes. I would say He does as he pleases, It’s not for us to judge Him. Do you have a better theory of the origin of Neanderthal people? What was he saying in Gen. 6:3 He also is flesh? Did Cain take his sister, well maybe? Maybe not. I’m in the Bible with most of this theory. I’m not implying anything.

  157. The corrupted seed is not physical. IT IS SPIRITUAL. That is what bible is saying. As I have stated. When you move away from God due to your weakness in the flesh and worldly desires and things. You move away from the spirit of God allowing other non godly spirits to corrupt you spiritually. That follows exactly with what the bible says.

    (Ephesians 6:12 KJV) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    The corruption of seed is spiritual allowing evil to control our spirit.

  158. Noah and his family were faithful to God and his words. They did not move away from God and thus evil spirits were unable to corrupt them spiritually as they did with apparently all others. Thus God saved them and removed the others. The same thing Jesus will do when he returns.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      You make sense, lol, but I like my husband’s theory. I think that both of you are right. Let’s get on with it, and stop this business. Yes, this day and time is corrupted, like the days of Noah, we ALL know that. Tell us something that we don’t know, for a change ! lol (Brenda)

  159. Ron Murphy says:

    Ron is out, at the moment. Just thought I’d let you know, City. Personally, I believe people can take the Bible to literally, and not from a spiritual view, if you know what I mean. I follow no man. I ask God for discernment. But, basically, I believe in post-trib. doctrine., because I have studied and asked God to show me the truth.” Ask and you shall receive. ” (Brenda)

    • Yes Brenda that is clear. I agree. But even if you take the bible literally 100% the bible (Gods words) are so clear there really is no mistaking what it says. Thats what is amazing about Gods words. There are many ways it can be read and understood by all. The funny thing is. The results will be the same if your studying with honesty, integrity, humbleness, ect ect. In other words many things were written in such a way that different people who read them with all honesty in God will come to the same answer.

      Jesus and many of the prophets taught this way. Different parables and stories and words all describing the same things. Everyone learns differently. God knows this. That is how powerful his words are.

      It is the people who when they approach something because of something someone else has said or taught them that are approaching Gods word incorrectly. They are approaching it from the point of what they want to hear based on what they were taught or heard. God does not help you then. WHY? Because your not approaching his word with all honesty, integrity, and humbleness.

      Its hard to explain to people. Say I hate my neighbor but I love God. So I pray to God to kill my neighbor. Well CLEARLY I WILL GET NO HELP OR ANSWER FROM GOD AS that is not what I should be praying for.

      You can pray to God all you like. If your praying with the wrong intentions or your not approaching things correctly you will get no help period. However if you do pray to God with the right intentions THEN ASK AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE if its in your best interest of course. Its really that simple.

      I have perfect examples of this. When I prove post trib with scriptures to people who have been taught otherwise they get angry, resentful, lash out. Do all kinds of things. Go out of their way to try and prove I am wrong or try to make me look bad or disgrace me in front of others. THESE ARE ALL WITH WRONG INTENTIONS. God does not and will not help you then. However if they pause and come to the Lord in prayer with the right intentions which should be his truth. Then study both sides honestly and earnestly seeking only Gods truth with his help. WITHOUT QUESTION HE WILL SHOW YOU THE TRUTH. Until then you can pray all you like with wrong intentions and get absolutely no where.

  160. Diane says:

    I agree D City. God put the Word there for us so He had intentions of us understanding it if we will pray and study.

    • He said ask and you shall receive. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. But you must ask with the right intentions and you must have that faith. The Lord has simply told us. There is nothing HE will not do for us or that we can not do through him. Again if our intentions are righteous.

      (Matthew 7:7 KJV) Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

      (Matthew 21:22 KJV) And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

      (Mark 11:24 KJV) Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

      (Matthew 17:20 KJV) And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

      (Luke 17:6 KJV) And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Yes, yes, yes, Diane.

  161. Ron Murphy says:

    True, but I honestly feel…people are not gonna like this…..I feel that you have to be led by the Holy spirit into the truth…..with a right heart before God, and believing that every word of it is true, with no CONTRADICTIONS……like you said, we can pray, but if it’s not in earnest, it will get you nowhere fast ! Isn’t that what the Comforter-aka- the Holy Spirit is for? To guide us into all truth? It says it somewhere in there, lol. I’m good at remembering what the Lord said, but not at where.

  162. Ron Murphy says:

    Well, duh, I think, if you want to know the truth, I believe you have the right intentions? LOL Just a little sarcastic humor, which my husband really loves !

  163. Ron Murphy says:

    Ron should be back this evening, sometime. I’m in desperate need of a walk . Thanks, it’s been fun. love to all the brethren in Christ. God bless and have a good evening! (Brenda)

  164. Ron Murphy says:

    It’s funny how a good walk can clear your mind, City. I understand what you are saying…..we can follow men,if they are following the Bible, for what is truth..like Paul and the apostles-their doctrine–for it is of God. I was just stating that I go by the Holy Spirit in confirming the truth to me. It just didn’t come out right. Ron gets mad at me sometimes, because I don’t explain things to clearly, LOL. It’s just my way, I guess. You are right, brother. God bless you.

  165. Diane says:

    And his sister!!! LOL

  166. Ron Murphy says:

    How long will great tribulation be? 7 years or 3 1/2 years. Let’s look at what the Word says. Dan. 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate. The midst is the middle. If the week is 7years, Gabriel told Daniel in the middle of the week the abomination would take place. That is after 3 1/2 years the abomination of desolation would occur. Now let’s look at what Jesus said, Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, stand in the Holy place . Matt. 24:21 for then shall be great tribulation such as was not since the beginning of the world, to this time. Jesus is telling us that when we see the abomination of desolation, is when the tribulation will start. How can these modern-day so-called prophets and TV evangelists keep preaching that it is 7 years, when Jesus said different?

  167. Because they have accepted Jesus and once they have accepted Jesus that gives them the right to change anything Jesus says to whatever they like as long as it sells.

    • Besides they are pulled out before the 7 year tribulation, not the great tribulation. If they were pulled out just before the great tribulation they could not be pre trib. THAT WOULD BE MID TRIB. You just do not get it do ya! They are pre trib. Some American Chirstians aren’t even pre 7 year trib. Some American Christians are pre any kind of trib. If there is trib we are gone.

  168. Ron Murphy says:

    yeah, I get it! But I wasn’t talking about the rapture. I’m talking about tribulation, that they are lying about the tribulation. It doesn’t matter what they believe about the rapture. They are wrong about the tribulation, also. My point was to show how wrong they are about tribulation, and these three verses make it very clear, just how wrong they can be.

  169. The simple fact that you tell them that Jesus said it should be enough since they believe in Jesus. But then they say no Jesus wasn’t talking to everyone he was talking to the Jews. When Jesus was actually talking to the disciples who are the church.

    To top that off you can show them where Jesus said:

    “What I say unto you I say unto all, watch”

    He did not say what I say unto you I say unto just the Jews. Nope he said all! That should be enough but its not. They will find another work around that. Its sad. Thats all I can say.

  170. Ron Murphy says:

    People had better start listening to Jesus, instead of Perry Stone. That’s all I can say.

  171. If you want to know how close we are you need to keep track of the technology. For it is through the technology that satan will be able to accomplish most of what the bible says in such a short period of time. A one world system will require the technology to be somewhat implemented on a world scale already. This will come about after a major world crisis of some sort causing people to submit to peace and destruction or giving up of weapons and rights. Once that happens a man will step in and assume or be handing control of everything.

  172. Ron Murphy says:

    I really never did like the term NWO, Personally feel it is a bunch of hog wash made up by JVI and his cohorts. I believe he will have control of the financial aspect of everything. But the Bible tells us of many enemies that he will have. I personally feel nothing has to happen for him to take power, it is given him by satan, I believe he will come in sneaky and obtain the kingdom by flattery. He will promise the jews what they have been waiting on for a long time their beloved temple. He shall destroy many by peace. Dan.8:25

  173. Where in scriptures does it say a temple needs or will be rebuilt?

  174. Ron Murphy says:

    Dan. 9:26 Sanctuary being in the temple. Also the A of D stand in the holy place, Matt. 24:15, Rev 11:1-2, Dan 8:13-14, 2 Thess 2:4, Dan 11:45. Rev. 11: 1,2 is the best one.

  175. Ron Murphy says:

    Hey, Brother, I’m out for the night. God Bless you

  176. Debra says:

    The only evidence that is shown that there might be a temple rebuilt is in 2 Thess. 4.

    2 Thess. 4 Who opposes and exalts himself(anti-christ) above all that is worshipped; so that he(anti-christ) as God sits in the Temple of God, showing himself(anti-christ) that he(anti-christ) is God.

    Also he stops the daily sacrifice according to the scriptures. Daniel 8: 11

    Yes, he(anti-christ) magnified himself(anti-christ) even to the prince of the host, and by him(anti-christ) the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his(God’s) sanctuary(temple) was cast down.

    (12) And a host was given him(anti-christ) against the daily sacrifice by reason of the transgression, and it(transgression) cast down truth to the ground; and it(transgression) practiced, and prospered.

    (13) Then I heard one saint speaking and another saint said unto that certain saint which spoke, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

    (14) And he said to me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed!

    So does that mean that there has to be a temple rebuilt? Most bible teachers think so, but the bible does not say literally that a temple will be rebuilt except for these scriptures descibing there might be one for the daily sacrifice to take place again and for the anti-christ to to sit in the temple if that’s what it means

    Time will tell if one is built or not. I’m looking for when the time comes for the 7 year treaty and when the antichrist breaks that treaty in the middle of the tribulation and all hell breaks out against God’s people! Whether the a real temple is rebuilt or not is not the main concern I believe for many post trib believers, although that is what is taught in most churches as a sign of the last days also.

    The Psalm 83/Obadiah war ,has to at least come to pass in my opinion before any thought of a temple could be built. Israel’s border neighbors have to be out of the way at least, and possibly the Gog Magog war has to come to pass first also before a temple could be built. This is just a speculation of mine. Only the Lord knows how all this will really play out! God bless! Happy Resurrection Day!!

  177. Ron Murphy says:

    Debra, good points you made. But what make you sure the war of Psalm 83 and Gog Magog are not the same war? And what makes these wars significant that they are before the 7 year covenant? As I see all this happening at Jesus’ return. And also what makes you sure God hasn’t told someone how it’s going to play out? As far as I’m concerned, he has already told at least Daniel and John how it’s going to go. But you are right we don’t know it all. God bless you. Thanks for that input.

  178. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev 11:1 and 2 Plainly speaks of a Temple being rebuilt. How could he measure them that worship therein, if there wasn’t nothing therein for them to worshipping in? And how could the court be given to the Gentiles for forty two mouths, if it is without the temple? It says here over and over that the temple was rebuilt. Zeph. 3:8 tells us of the gathering of all the nations to destroy the people of Israel.

  179. Ron Murphy says:

    Obadiah prophesied of the destruction of Edom(Esau). But Dan. 11:41 Says Edom escapes out of the antichrists hands. So Edom’s destruction must come after tribulation starts, and more than likely at the end when the Battle of the Lord takes place in His Day. At that time all nations will receive God’s wrath.

  180. Both of you have brought great points into discussion. :)

  181. So its my understanding Ron that you do not see any of these events happening until after the abomination of desolation. In other words pretty much is all going to happen in the 3 and half year great tribulation period?

  182. Ron Murphy says:

    Well I’m just say from what I see, they can’t happen before the start of the tribulation period. And what I believe from what the bible tells me, that all these things happen at the day of the Lord, after tribulation, at the beginning. I also believe as they are preparing to invade Jerusalem, as they gather together, could be during the wrath of God, at the great supper for the fouls of the air to gether to eat. Armageddon. This is the 6th vial when the antichrist is slain and all the nations that gather against Jerusalem. The 7th trumpet also speaks of this war. This is the same Magog war of 38. he shall also destroy Jerusalem that day, all that will be left out of her is the remnant.

  183. Ron Murphy says:

    Typo= after tribulation, at the beginning or during wrath of God.

  184. Ron Murphy says:

    We see this same battle take place in Rev. 19:17-19, Rev.16:12-16.

  185. Ron Murphy says:

    If I may, let me explain in my own words and leave out the verses. I see the antichrist coming into power, making a covenant with Jerusalem to rebuild and begin their sacrifices. Then I see Him starting to conquer the Middle East, mostly through peace, except the tree horns he plucked up. This just pleases the Jews, they think he’s doing it for them, or at least they are afraid of him. Then after 3 1/2 years he will be shot or killed, satan brings him back, enters into him and sets up his kingdom as he takes over the temple and God’s seat in Jerusalem. Does the A of D, triggering great tribulation for 3 1/2 years more. After he scatters the power of the elect. God says enough. Jesus comes in the clouds. He comes to Mount of Olives ushering his wrath as he comes. This is the wrath of God. Being with the 7 pleagues of the trumpets and vials, the gathering of the nations are after his return. The foolish nations think the can overthrow Christ and take Jerusalem and destroy it and God’s people. But they hate her for all she has cause upon the world, they just want her gone, them being deceived by satan. His whole purpose is to destroy God’s people and kingdom anyway.

  186. Ron Murphy says:

    If anyone needs the verses for this just let me know which subject, D City and I will do our best to answer.

  187. I found some interesting verses on the beast and where he might come from.

    Notice how the dragon stands on sands of sea. The dragon is satan who gives the beasts power.

    (Revelation 12:9 KJV) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    Here is a list of things that are of interest concerning the beasts.

    The first beast is symbolized by a composite animal made up of a leopard, a bear, and a lion, whereas the second beast is symbolized by a male lamb.

    The first beast is given power by a dragon, whereas the second beast speaks as a dragon.

    The first beast has an image (statue) of himself, whereas the second beast is able to cause the image (statue) to have breath and to speak.

    There is one more important comparison to be made elsewhere in the Scripture both beasts are thrown into the lake of fire at the return of Jesus Christ.

    That last part is important. It says that both beasts are thrown into the lake of fire. However satan (dragon) himself is bound up for 1000 years. So these two beasts are not actually satan but just given power by satan and controlled by satan. Thought that would be of interest to people.

    There is one clue about the antichrist that no candidate for the position has in his resume. Apparently, the real coming antichrist is to be assassinated. He is to receive a fatal head wound and the false prophet is to be part of the healing/resurrection process, yet it is not a full recovery. The Scripture says that while he comes to life again he suffers from permanent damage to his right eye and right arm.

    So another thing to note that I have found is when he receives this mortal wound and recovers he will not be fully recovered and will have still sustained substantial damage to one eye and one arm. This is found in this verse:

    (Zechariah 11:17 KJV) Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.

    OK posting some verses for clarity now.

    (Jeremiah 3:19 KJV) But I said, How shall I put thee among the children, and give thee a pleasant land, a goodly heritage of the hosts of nations? and I said, Thou shalt call me, My father; and shalt not turn away from me.

    The reason for pointing out the term “pleasant land” is to show that there can be no confusion that Jeremiah is talking about Israel as being the “pleasant land”.

    WITH THAT SAID continuing on.

    (Daniel 8:9 KJV) And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

    Notice how it says towards south and east and toward the pleasant land.

    it seems that the origination of the antichrist is north and west from Israel. But, he must travel by way of the sea to reach the land of Israel.

    More on study

    (Revelation 13:2 KJV) And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

    This composite animal has been with us for more than 500 years. It is a composite recognition of the ancient Emperors of the Holy Roman Empire. The leopard represents France, the bear represents Germany, and the Lion represents England. In fact, this exact creature is called an Heraldic Beast. It is used by the monarchy of Great Britain and referred to as the Lions of England or the Leopards of England on a crest within the Coat of Arms for the Monarchy.

    The symbol of the Western Roman Empire was a Red Dragon. In fact, it is the same symbol for Wales within Great Britain. Any person who is of the lineage of the Monarchy for Great Britain receives his or her investiture with the title of Wales. In the case of Prince Charles, the firstborn son of Queen Elizabeth, his specific title is Prince Charles of Wales, despite having a host of other titles. The title of Wales outranks the others because it says he is the heir apparent after the Queen. What is especially fascinating about Prince Charles is that he first received this title in 1969 in Wales with banners adorned with this red dragon and also emblazoned on his throne chair. And, upon placing the crown on his head for the title, his mother quoted the same words from the verse in Revelation above.

    This is one of the reasons why this event and other facts about Prince Charles make him such an interesting candidate for the position of the first beast. I should add that Prince Charles would like the position of being the head of the Holy Roman Empire. He sought that very position when the EU was forming in 1993 and believes he could bring stability to the government and put the world on the path to sustainability (his words). His coat of arms bears the heraldic beast and his name “Charles” fits the riddle of Revelation 17 precisely. His name “Charles” is the same as the seven previous kings and it means “man or manly.” So when the prophecy says it is the number of a man, the name Prince Charles of Wales calculates to 666 in both English and Hebrew using the Hebrew gematria.

    Again SANDS OF THE SEA IS SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED. So its clear there is a shore line involved to me anyways.

    Anyways just some highly interesting thoughts as I dig deeper into this prophecy.

  188. The EU is currently working on consolidating to 10 nations and it looks as though that will be accomplished some time this year. Just more interesting info.

  189. Diane says:

    Well D City, I am betting that Ron won’t agree with that. I know of someone that has said for years that Charley is “he”. Have you heard of Great Joy in Great Tribulation? Jim Searcy? He has an interesting article on it.

  190. Diane says:

    D City, I don’t know if it is against rules here to post a website but if so please let me know.

    http://www.moresureword.com/anti.html

    For discussion… a good stir gets a good conversation going.

  191. Ron Murphy says:

    Interesting, But just not enough weight to it. Prince Charles for one didn’t come out of Grecian Empire. And the leopard is referred to, as in Dan 7:6 reveals it as Greece. The bear here is Media Persia, Dan. 7:5, and the lion is Nebuchadnezzar., Dan 7:4 I like staying with the Bible most exclusively, when possible. History or science must come into play if it is a known fact. satan can place anything to cause doubt and confusion. Just as he has done with Dan. 8 to fulfill it, and the Cathlic church. We must beware of his devices.

  192. No, I am just pointing out some amazing things along the lines. Not saying for sure. But in the process I am leaving no stone unturned.

    I certainly did not say I agree with it either. BUT!!!!! As I have said there is some highly intriguing info for thought there.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      satan’s job is to lead us from the truth. To take light off the word of God. If we seem confused, people will doubt our purpose and not believe we know much of anything. I think we should stick with the Word of God and let it lead us.

  193. Wow alright well thats a study in and of itself. I do not do a study without a bible in hand and detail matching with scripture. Both you and Ron are piling it on my plate. lol

  194. Diane says:

    Yeah we definitely don’t need to do anything with Bible in hand, that is why there are so many easily led astray. It’s just when I read your post above it reminded me of Jim Searcy’s pages on it.

  195. Diane says:

    That should have said without Bible in hand!!!!!!

  196. I was looking for something and Ron has found it. Thats enough info for me. :) Thanks Ron. Agreed.

    A prophet will be 100% accurate 100% of time.

  197. From what I can see also they have tried to line sudam with prophecises that were way off the mark as well.

  198. Diane says:

    Good to know and yes it a true prophet there is no room for error….. but I am not sure he calls himself a prophet. He is studying just as we are.

  199. He doesn’t have to call himself a prophet he has a listing of things to happen in 2013 lol

    There is a fine line. There is nothing wrong with listing thing that might happen in 2013 but its how you approach it.

    The fine line is as I have discovered from studying bible next to what most of these guru’s say is the forcing of their theology to fit the bible.

    Nothing is forced in any way. These things will easily fall into place. The mistake most of them make is one most of them start off by looking for money in some way, that is shown the minute they come out with a book or video and are on a tax exempt status of some sort.

    They start off with a theology that sounds nice but they force it. It is forced because of the following they have acquired and the money that has bee laid before them. THIS IS WHERE THE LINE GETS BROKEN.

    Nothing wrong with teaching and sharing with people. Nothing wrong with making income to support this. Its when because of their following and because of the money that has been laid before them that they then force things.

    Again non of this is forced. It falls into place in Gods time. The prophecies are there for us to watch for. Discussing and sharing all possible scenario’s is definitely good. 99% of these preachers cross the line adhering to a man made teaching made to fit prophecy rather then allowing the prophecy to fit into what is and will happen.

  200. You go about figuring this out by how Ron just did by discovering details that they leave out.

    I go about it by first seeing if they teach a pre trib or post trib rapture. We see Jesus and others straight from scripture and Gods word that post trib is what bible says. This is just another reason its important to study and know Gods word. By knowing more about Gods word you can filter the false preachers quickly and easily.

    So while their theory may be great if it is of God or in Gods interest it will be accurate. Does that mean someone for God can not be wrong. No!! But when they are proven wrong and continue to teach and sell material on what does not line up with scripture WELL NOW ITS ON ANOTHER LEVEL. Many people can be honestly mistaken. Its the honest part that is the important part.

  201. See there comes a time in anyone theology if it is discovered it does not line up with scripture then it is time to change your theology and not scripture.

    You do not change or circle around scripture to fit your theology. (this happens a lot with rapture doctrine). Examples are when everything lines up with post trib and you have little left to defend your point of view (theology) you now are forced to either let it go and admit your wrong or your forced to grasp onto words or verses here and there like wrath, this wrath and that wrath or there is only one wrath or not its not that wrath. Same thing with a trumpet, its this trumpet or that trumpet or no thats not that last trumpet ect ect and the list goes on. Then you are forcing things to fit your theology and going against scripture. This same stubbornness, and pride built up within themselves (preachers) is what causes them to fall away from God and his word.

  202. That is why once you have studied rapture and know it. You can easily filter out many many preachers and their theologies. I always look to see what they teach there first. Then if that lines up, we go further into what they are saying verses scripture. Ron pointed out right away and I doubled back and checked it and he is 100% correct they deliberately left an important part of scripture out to make it fit their theology. This instantly filters out this source and person and we can move on.

  203. Diane says:

    OK…. I said more but backed up and removed it. I will say that he is definitely not pretrib and and not in this for the money and leave it at that.

    Next.

  204. I understand Diane. I am merely discussing with you how we can go about and eliminate what does not line up or fit so we can continue our study. Ron has pointed out a very significant piece they left out to make it fit the theology. Fact he has written a book. We have found evidence of important details being left out so they can continue to use their own theory. Money or not we have found forcing of things to make it fit. For me that is enough evidence.

  205. We can continue on further and provide more evidence as to why their theology doesn’t fit.

    It says he will come up small people. Charles doesn’t fit that description. I was merely brining different theories into play so we can see where we are and what others are saying.

    So far Turkey and Syria are still look to be the strongest locations for him to come up from. What Ron is saying has lots of evidence for.

  206. I believe muslims and communism (or offtake of communism) are strong proponents in these events described in scripture.

    We can see that both Turkey and Sryia fit those but they also fit the roman, grecia, assyrian, and Babylonian as well.

    In fact there is very little evidence can be found against Turkey or Syria being the place he comes from. Those two seem to fit all possible scenarios.

    Where as Ron already discovered things about their theology and I can already point out weaknesses in Charles not being him and him not coming from Britain.

  207. Diane says:

    So a small people would then mean a small country or small in stature?

  208. Well that can be looked at in several ways as you have described. But I believe it is talking about a people who are not of great strength in world power at the time he comes up but gain that strength.

    In other words, Turkey and Syria right now do not appear to be all that significant but do to the events taking place in the world that could change over night. The stage is definitely set for such a thing to take place. World economic woes is one of them and also the looming threat of major wars and all the unrest in all those countries now. Remember great world changes have always occurred just after much unrest. The entire world is at much unrest right now.

    A short study of history can show this what I have said to be true. Atillia the Hun came up in unrest and united many many broken tribes of people to the point where he could have destroyed Rome if he had chosen to. For what ever reason he turned away from doing so but was ready to and could have.

    Out of great unrest comes major change. Same happen when Hitler came to power. Practically over night and the world is a different place.

  209. Diane says:

    I know and when you brought Charles up I remembered from time back reading Jim’s page on it, I didn’t notice a part missing because I am not as studied as you and Ronnie are. I don’t follow this man but have spoken with him on Paltalk a long time ago so I only know a little about him. He moved to somewhere over seas that starts with a C but can’t remember the name, I want to say Cypress, to minister to the Muslims and that is why I feel he’s not in it for the money or at least I don’t think he is.

    • Diane, my point was, discussing the different ways we can eliminate people. First and for most is if they line up with scripture. THE RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD COULD BE A PROPHET FOR GOD IF HE SO CHOOSES. Not likely but who are we to question the Lord in that regard. I was merely pointing out different ways we can eliminate people. I did not say he was in it for the money. It was just me discussing different ways to eliminate people. The most important and main way is to see if what they are saying lines up with scripture. It has to line up with Gods word and not be forced.

  210. Ron Murphy says:

    I agree D City. We need to know the word well enough to know when someone is speaking truth. I don’t follow videos to much, I find not to many to be on tract with the Bible to begin with. I think it is the wrong approach to ask God to lead you to someone to teach you the truth. If you are full of the Spirit, then you should ask God for the knowledge for yourself. I think if someone comes along that you think is right then it is alright to seek God if that person is truth or not. But we shouldn’t be seeking after man, when we have a God in heaven who said ask and you will receive. But just as a good point you made the other day, people need to throw out all the teaching they have received to begin with, and let God lead from the beginning. If you hold onto a false belief, you are tying God’s hands from teaching you anything past that point.

  211. So back to what I was saying in my Attilla the hun and Hitler comment. A leader could arise from Syria or Turkey and unite the muslim world. If this were to happen then it would be a man who arose from small people and united a very large people. If this happens the WORLD WOULD BE A DIFFERENT PLACE OVER NIGHT. Again another reason pointing to Turkey and Syria.

  212. Ron Murphy says:

    Yes People struggle with that. It seems everything they study points back to what they once knew and they are blinded & binded again.

  213. Ron Murphy says:

    Right I believe this man will unite the horns Rev 17:12-13 covers that .

    • Agreed. The main thing for people to realize is THE UNREST IN THE WORLD and out of much unrest there has always been a new leader or person who has arose out of unrest to cause great changes in the world.

      This exact thing has happened over and over and over throughout history.

      The entire stage is set for this to happen. We are witnessing the unrest world wide now. NEXT IS THE LEADER. Myself and Ron are merely trying to help with where he is most likely to come from based on scripture. Does that mean without a doubt this is where he is coming from. NO!!! But the more we dig into it. The less can be said as to why he will not come from one of these two places (Syria/Turkey).

  214. Ron Murphy says:

    Boy! isn’t it interesting interesting these horns are to make war with the Lamb and they that are with Him are called and chosen, and faithful.

  215. Ron Murphy says:

    And the ten horns hating the whore. Now would it make sense that the Catholics or UN should hate Roman?

  216. Ron Murphy says:

    Sorry D City I’m in Rev 17:14-16

  217. Ron Murphy says:

    Would it not make more sense that if Jerusalem was the whore and the Muslim nations around her should hate her

  218. Ron Murphy says:

    I’m not trying to change the subject quiet yet. But I’m trying to show how the catholic church is not the origin of the beast.

  219. Ron Murphy says:

    Jerusalem is another deep topic for another day.

  220. Ron Murphy says:

    Who ever this man is they are going to be very afraid of him. They will think he is their prophet in both faiths Jew and Muslim. Dan 11:24 talks of his exploits. He shall forecast devices against Egypt. We can imagine, what that is. Dan 11:25. Okay City, where is Chittim . Dan. 11:30 says Chittim shall be his enemy. So that will eliminate Chittim as his origin.

  221. Diane says:

    OK please forgive for bringing up Jim Searcy again LOL but he lives in Cyprus and calls it Chittim.. He always signs his email with

    From Chittim, Isa 23:1,

    Shalom & Simcha,
    Jim Searcy

  222. Diane says:

    Cyprus is across the sea from Jerusalem I think?

  223. Diane says:

    Gosh Cyprus is tiny, it’s a tiny island, north west of Israel.

  224. Ron the beast the political beast is going to need help from a religious leader of some sort. This guy is going to capture the hearts of many Christians or so called Christians as well.

    • Chittim is an island south of Turkey I believe Ron. Now known as Cyprus.

      An island country in the eastern Mediterranean Sea south of Turkey. Site of an ancient Neolithic culture, the island was settled by Phoenicians c. 800 b.c. and thereafter fell successively to the Assyrians, Egyptians, Persians, Macedonian Greeks, Egyptians again, and finally Romans (58 b.c.). The Byzantines controlled it from a.d. 395 until 1191, when it was captured by Richard I of England during the Third Crusade. Venice annexed it in 1489, Turkey conquered it in 1571, and Great Britain proclaimed its sovereignty in 1914. Cyprus became independent in 1960, but large-scale fighting between Greek and Turkish Cypriots led to the installment of a UN peacekeeping force in 1965. In 1974 Turkey invaded Cyprus and established a separate Turkish state in the northern part. Nicosia is the capital and the largest city. Population: 788,000.

      For all we know this Searcy Guy could be the beast himself. If thats where he moved to.

  225. Diane says:

    Talk about a small people, could that be where he’s coming from? It is a very tiny island compared to Syria or Turkey.

  226. Diane says:

    That is I wonder if the Pope “could” fit in… There is none larger than the pope in religion. I also wonder if Chrislam will have a hand in that which could take us back to the topic of this blog although it is people like Rick Warren that is knitting Islam and Christianity together to make Chrislam.

  227. Chittim is Cyprus if my research is correct. Cyprus formely known as Chittim.

  228. If thats the case Searcy moved to where the beast will arise from or to definitely where some major things take place. So on one hand the Lord says flee but Searcy decides to move to that area. Strikes me as a but nutty.

  229. Diane says:

    I believe the religious leader will be someone that can reach a large audience and is known, Jim Searcy doesn’t quite fit that. Now Rick Warren or someone like him that has a large following, maybe.

  230. Look there are some compelling arguments tied with Catholic popes and church.

    The Catholic church is known to have already recognized miracles associated with statues (images) the virgin mary statue I believe with blood tears ect ect. This is alarming evidence pointing to the pope at a future date confirming miracles associated with an image.

  231. I can see the Catholics buying it as well if the pope confirms or says it too.

    • Miracles are a common topic within the church today, especially the Catholic Church. I am sure you have heard of various statues that either bled or shed tears. The story of the children at Fatima was made into a movie and the prophecies from it were held in high esteem throughout the last century. Still, to this day, there is concern and controversy as to the content of the final prophecy from the Lady of Fatima. Some have suggested that it concerns a final apostasy within the Catholic Church and the final judgment of God. What matters is that statues are significant elements of Catholic worship and sources of inspiration.

      The False Prophet is also to play a key role in promoting the mark of the beast technology to buy and sell. Presently, the world is preparing to move all credit and debit cards away from the magnetic strip this year (2013) and replace it with a chip and PIN (personal identification number). The credit card will actually have a chip about the size of a dime affixed to the card. You will then enter your PIN to verify its use. The public knows that a pin number can be misused by thieves. What comes on the heels of the “chip and PIN” is a BioID. A BioID is a grain-sized personal identification device injected under the skin that can then be scanned electronically when you make a purchase. The technology already exists. The problem is that most people have also heard the prophecy of the mark of the beast and will refuse to take it.

      Enter the False Prophet! It will take a powerful, world renowned religious man to say that they can take the mark and that it’s not what they fear it to be, hence his title as false prophet. The False Prophet will have to compel people to use this new type of credit card.

      With this technology looming this year, it will be very interesting to see if the new pope endorses the technology as the prophecy requires.

      Finally, the False Prophet will be required by the prophecies to make a trip to Israel and be present on the temple mount after the altar is shut down. He is to be instrumental in helping to set up the image of the antimessiah and call upon the world to worship him just as the prophecy says.

      The pope will not have a problem with a miracle involving a statue. As I said before, statues and seeming miracles are common occurrences for Catholics. These will be powerful signs to the whole world causing a strong delusion; even believers will be shaken to some degree.

      Let me remind you of a vitally important characteristic of our God. He does not share His Glory with anyone or anything like an idol. God does not speak out of the mouth of idols (statues) to proclaim His word. According to Scripture, this will be pure deception from the enemy. The sad part is that many in the world will be deceived. If they do bow down to the beast—the man or the statue—and take the mark, their eternal destiny is set.

  232. Ron Murphy says:

    Does this antichrist really need the help of a religious leader. With all the muslims giving him their power , just what would that be? What about the oil? with oil he could control most of the world, Dan. 11:2 and the 4th beast shall be far richer than they all. He will aready be the leader of Israel and all of the Middle East. plus he has the power of satan to deceive the world. I believe the antichrist will do great miracles in front of the beast Rev. 13:14 That he along will be able to deceive the rest of the world that his is for real, It will be so amazing that Jesus said he would deceive the very elect if it was possible. So I see it as Because he was brought back from the dead an because of this prophets miracles he deceived everyone. Chittim as Cypus is correct. Thank you.

  233. Ron Murphy says:

    I have heard that the dead sea is full of minerals of great wealth, also. If the antichrist could almost deceive the elect, not the catholics, but the elect, then Why would he need the pope to deceive the unelect.

  234. Diane says:

    He may have been told by the Lord to go to Chittim? I don’t know, it is like people going into gang infested cities to reach the lost, there is no rhyme or reason other than a heart for the lost.

    Doesn’t mean he has issues upstairs necessarily.

    :-) We go where the Lord leads us if we are obedient.

  235. Ron Murphy says:

    If God told me to go to Chittim, I would. But I hope that he doesn’t.

  236. Diane says:

    D City, all the Pope has to do is sneeze and say something and the following will obey. My husband is an ex-Catholic. He was raised Catholic from his birth to our marriage 15 years ago. His parents are still. It blows my mind how they think the “pope” has it all going on.

    • Agreed. I have Catholic family members. That is definitely true. I brought this verse the other day to one of them.

      (Matthew 23:9 KJV) And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

      I got a typical pre trib rapture response saying how thats not what its really talking about LOL. YET THE VERSE COULD NOT BE ANY MORE CLEAR.

      I said who are you going to listen to someone who knows the bible says this and does the opposite anyways or Gods word.

      Regardless of whether you want to create an issue of what that verse is saying. Either way as a HUMBLE leader you would eliminate any confusion by not allowing it anyways. YES that verse is clearly stated exaclty the same in their Catholic bible.

      TO ME THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT VERSE IS 100% CRYSTAL CLEAR, NO IF ANDS OR BUTS ABOUT IT.

      They not only refer to him as Father, they refer to him as HOLY FATHER. Good Lord look out for the lightning bolt cause its got your name on it if you ask me.

      All their priests are called or referred to as Father. The pope is HOLY FATHER. THAT IS CLEAR AND UTTER BLASPHEMY. Bottom line.

  237. Ron Murphy says:

    Again, I believe deeply that the Pope is a tool of satans, as a decoy to deceive the Christian world that he is the antichrist or false prophet. This all ties back to Scofield and his coherts To bring Roman in the picture. Yes I’ve studied it thoroughly, I’ve studied the history of Rome , the martyrs of Rome Church and I’ve studied Alberto. So I know a lot about Mason’s, Jesuits, Black Pope, Ilumin. and so forth. But I still believe she is a decoy.

  238. Ron Murphy says:

    The Bible doesn’t say he will control the whole world, but the Middle east, Dan 8:9. toward the south, toward the east and toward the pleasant land. But He will have control of the world banks and all commerce. But he will have many enemies.

  239. The interesting thing is we are the new Jews (chosen people, elect, church, Jersulem, Israel) since Christ has come. Most people fail to see that though for whatever reasons and still separate everything.

  240. As far as it saying he will control the whole world. I can’t say I agree. I can show you one verse that clearly states something along those lines.

    (Revelation 13:16 KJV) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

    Sure sounds like he has control of whole world there to me?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Only by Buying and selling, as I said he will control the money aspect. All nations will have to trade his way, and obey his way, but he will not fully control all military powers, but satan will toward the end. But you are right He shall devour the whole earth and tread it down and break it in pieces. Dan 7:23 But what I’m saying is he will have many enemies. Egypt being a big one.

  241. Ron Murphy says:

    Well agreed For the most part, But When the fulfillment of the Gentiles come in then the 144,000 from the Jewish tribes will his chosen people to live upon the earth in their natural mortal bodies. But they will be known as the Holy people of the world. Zec.8:23

  242. True but again he does that because he said he will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob. He made that promise and if you look at it. They are not in heaven they live out their lives, where as the church goes to heaven. The will see the Lord and visit with him but they will not be continually in his presence. Of course it will not be the same world it will be much better cause it is ruled by Jesus Christ rather then satan roaming around.

  243. Ron Murphy says:

    Well I see it another way. I see only the Martyrs and the trib. saints that remain until his coming, will be on earth Reigning with Christ in our Heavenly Bodies, as he is. That is the Marriage supper. That is the reward of What the early church called, Crown of Martyrdom. Rev. 20:4 These saints are part of the groom, Jesus is the head we are the body The bride is the new Jerusalem. Rev 21:2,9-10.

  244. Let me see if I can lay it out for you. THE LORD CLEARLY SAID HE WILL NOT UTTERLY DESTROY THE HOUSE OF JACOB.

    (Matthew 24:30 KJV) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    (Zechariah 12:10 KJV) And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

    (Zechariah 12:12 KJV) And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;

    (Zechariah 12:13 KJV) The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;

    (Zechariah 12:14 KJV) All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.

    (Zechariah 13:9 KJV) And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

    (Amos 9:8 KJV) Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the LORD.

    (Zephaniah 3:13 KJV) The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.

    (Joel 2:11 KJV) And the LORD shall utter (shout) his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

    LOOK WHAT IS WRITTEN THE VERY NEXT VERSE OF JOEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (Joel 2:12 KJV) Therefore ALSO NOW (after rapture), saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:

    (Joel 2:13 KJV) And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.

    (Zechariah 14:4 KJV) And his feet (CHIRST’S) shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

    (Joel 2:32 KJV) And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

    (Zephaniah 2:3 KJV) Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD’S anger.

    (Zechariah 14:16 KJV) And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

    (Isaiah 60:14 KJV) The sons (gentile remnant) also of them that afflicted thee (army that gathered against Jerusalem) shall come bending unto thee (in Israel); and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee , The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

    (Micah 7:18 KJV) Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

    (Habakkuk 3:2 KJV) O LORD, I have heard thy speech, and was afraid: O LORD, revive thy work in the midst of the years, in the midst of the years make known; in wrath remember mercy.

  245. Ron Murphy says:

    I know what about 1 Thess. 4:16-17. I beg the question was Paul taking about all the saints or just the ones that where martyred Don’t forget Paul was in that number ,too.

  246. The Lord is going to pour out EMENSE WRATH BUT THOSE WHO REPENT EVEN THOSE WHO CAME AGAINST ISRAEL will be spared if they quickly repent.

    This is straight out of scripture my friends.

    (Micah 7:18 KJV) Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

  247. Ron Murphy says:

    Typo Until after= until over.

  248. Listen bottom line is that HIS (The Lords) wrath is going to scare the ever living you know what out of everyone. I can not see many NOT repenting when this happens. The thing people do not understand is this. THERE ISN’T GOING TO BE A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE LEFT ALIVE ON EARTH AT THIS POINT IN TIME. Not compared to the population now I mean. There will be barely any Christians left to my understanding.

  249. The ancestors of the remnant that populates the earth will once again one final time come against Jesus Christ and us when satan is set free one last final time. So people who are alive after the 1000 years on earth will fall under satans deception one last time.

  250. He says a short while satan will be set free. How long that is I do not know. But long enough obviously to make the kingdoms on the 4 corners of the earth to come against Jesus Christs kingdom one last time.

  251. Ron Murphy says:

    If the New Jerusalem is coming down , what are we doing in heaven? I see us on earth. That was God’s original plan< I think that's what he will do. If He makes a new Earth then He made it for us.

    • We are on earth for 1000 years but it is my understanding that once the 1000 years is over and satan is unbound for a little while the Lord destroys it all and pulls us all up off the earth. To my understanding anyways.

      There is going to be a heaven on earth so to speak the new Jerusalem but there are going to be people on earth outside of heaven that will live on for over 1000 years. As at the end of the 1000 years he unbinds satan and sets him free to roam earth outside the new Jerusalem of course. One last time. satan deceives the kings and causes them to come against heaven (the new Jerusalem) on earth one last time. Then the Lord finishes satan off once and for all and destroys everything keeping us and taking the good with him and us.

  252. In other words he brings the new Jerusalem down onto earth for 1000 years and he runs it this time with satan bound up. I believe it will be much like the garden of eden and the way it was suppose to be for 1000 years. But in the end he destroys it all and satan and the evil doers with it.

  253. Ron Murphy says:

    Did you seen 512, brother, I’ve been waiting on your input for that one. Now take it easy! LOL

  254. I agree. There is no question that the martyrs in Christ from the great tribulation hold special positions with the Lord as stated in scripture. No question about it. Those and apparently only those that died in Christ during the great tribulation are the ones who reign with him. Does that mean others will not. No because we see the description of the New Jerusalem city that the Lords builds with us who make up parts of it. We see that the 12 disciples are the foundation of the new Jerusalem so they are there as well and hold special recognition for their martyrdom.

  255. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev chapter 21:1 sees the new heaven and new earth then John saw the holy city coming down.

  256. Ron Murphy says:

    I believe it was Paul , chosen by God.

  257. Ron Murphy says:

    1 Corinthians 1:1

  258. Ron Murphy says:

    It’s been very good, Yes God bless all who have learned from the Words of the Bible with us. His Word is amazing, Please if anyone has any questions we are here for you, God bless you all, We love you all. Amen! Bless you Brother.

  259. LOL your probably not going to believe this but I am under attack again on the latest blog post now.

    I have been told that Israel has not amassed great wealth and I have no idea what I am talking about by some seriously mislead female who has evidence against me based off of a T.V. COMMERCIAL lol Your gonna love this LOLLLLLLLLLL

  260. Ron Murphy says:

    I’ll be over in a little, Brenda needs to catch up on this one. What is the blog?

  261. Sleep time for me. Have a great night! Rest well. God Bless

  262. Have a great day!!!! Our Lord & Savior Jesus Christ Has Risen!!

    (John 16:33 KJV) These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

  263. 1. EZEKIEL 38 CONFIRMS TURKEY’S LEADERSHIP ROLE

    From the prophecies examined in the Book of Ezekiel, we saw that Turkey was significantly emphasized. Of the eight locations that were specified in the Gog Prophecy of Ezekiel 38, five were located firmly within Turkey. Magog, Meshech, Tubal, Togormah, and Gomer are all areas that were within the boundaries of modern Turkey. The fact that Turkey was so heavily emphasized is not something to be ignored. God highlighted Turkey for a reason. However, it is important that this theory by confirmed by other passages, as well.

    2. REVELATION 17 CONFIRMS TURKEY’S LEADERSHIP ROLE

    From Revelation 17, we concluded that the Islamic Empire, culminating in the Turkish Ottoman Empire, was the seventh Biblical Beast Empire. The capital of the Ottoman Empire was Istanbul, formely Constantinople, the capital of the Eastern Roman Byzantine Empire. Today, Istanbul sits on the northwestern corner of Turkey. The reason that the location of the capitals of the last beast empire may be important is because as the head of the last beast empire, it is possible that it will receive the ‘fatal head wound’ that will come back and awe the world: ‘One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast’ (Revealation 13:3).

    3. DANIEL 9 CONFIRMS TURKEY’S LEADERSHIP ROLE

    We also examined Daniel 9, where the Bible says that it would be the ‘people of the prince to come’ that would destroy the Jewish Temple. In other words, the ethnic peoples of whom the future Antichrist would be the leader would destroy the Jewish Temple. We saw that the primary group that carried out this destruction was the tenth legion of the Roman army (Legion X fretensis), which was stationed in Antioch. Antioch was also the area from wich the tenth legion drew most of its recruits. These soldiers were primarily Syrians and Arabs. Today, Antioch is located within the borders of Turkey, on the southeastern corner of Turkey near Syria. As such, this is yet another witness to the notion that the Antichrist would come from the region of modern Turkey.

    4. DANIEL 11 CONFIRMS TURKEY’S LEADERSHIP ROLE

    Our fourth confirmation was found in Daniel 11, where we saw that the Antichrist was prefigured by Antiochus IV Epiphanies, the ‘King of the North’ or the ruler of the Seleucid Division of the Greek Empire. We may expect to see the Antichrist emerge somewhere from within the region of the former Seleucid Empire. The Seleucid Empire covered a large portion of modern Turkey.

    5. ISAIAH AND MICHA CONFIRM AN ASSYRIAN ROLL

    We also studied the great emphasis that the prophets Isaiah and Micah placed on the future conflict between the Messiah and the Assyrian, who was a type of Antichrist. These prophecies also points us to the regions of the former Assyrian Empire, which engulfed a large portion of modern Turkey.

    6. ZECHARIAH CONFIRMS TURKEY’S LEADERSHIP ROLE

    Zechariah 9 clearly lists Yavan/Ionia (Turkey) as the primary player in the Last-Days attack against Israel. Many will have missed the prophecy due to a commonly used yet misleading translation: ‘I will rouse your sons, O Zion, against your sons, Greece (Yavan, Ionia).’ The key aspect of this passage is the reference to the sons of a place called Zion (Jews) fighting against the sons of a place called Yavan (Turks). Yavan was a descendant of Noah who came to live on the western coast of Asia Minor, or modern day Turkey, in the area that came to known as Ionia. See also Joel 3:6. Zecharia 9 is clearly speaking in terms that only can be applicable to the Last-Days, and the return of Jesus the Messiah ‘Jehovah will appear over them.’ After this time, the Messiah will rule Israel and her land will be far greater than it is today:

    ‘He (the Messiah) will proclaim peace to the nations. His rule will extend from sea to sea and from the River to the ends of the earth. As for you, because of the blood of my covenant with you, I will free your prisoners from the waterless pit. Return to your fortress, O prisoners of hope; even now I announce that I will restore twice as much to you. I will bend Judah as I bend my bow and fill it with Ephraim. I will rouse your sons, O Zion, against your sons, O Greece [Yavan, Ionia], and make you like a warrior’s sword. Then Jehovah will appear over them; His arrow will flash like lightning. The Sovereign Jehovah will sound the trumpet; He will march in the storms of the South, and Jehovah Almighty will shield them. They will destroy and overcome with clingstones … Jehovah their God will save them on that day as the flock of His people. They will sparkle in His land like jewels in a crown. How attractive and beautiful they will be!’ (Zecharia 9).

    7. THE THRONE OF SATAN IS IN TURKEY

    In Revelation chapter 2, Jesus is speaking to seven historical churches that were all situated along the west coast of Asia Minor, or modern day Turkey; ‘To the angel of the church in Pergamum write: These are the words of him who has the sharp, double-edged sword. I know where you live – where Satan has his throne’ (Revelation 2:12-13).

    To many, this may be a strange question: Was there an actual literal geographic location where Satan had ‘a throne’? In a certain sense, yes. The verse is referring to a massive structure that sat atop a high hilltop in Pergamum. The Greeks originally built this gigantic structure in the 2nd century B.C. as a temple dedicated to Zeus. This in itself is interesting. Certain continuity exists between the various gods of beast empires. For instance, in ancient Egypt they worshipped Ra, the Sun god. In Babylon, there was Murdock, the Sun god and Sin, the Moon god (or goddess). The Greek worshipped many gods, but viewed Zeus – the god of the sky and thunder – as the king over all of the other astral deities. Later, the Romans also worshipped Zeus under the name Jupiter. There is a significant evidence to view the Allah of the Muslims as the Arab counterpart to Baal, Sin, Zeus, or Jupiter. In pre-Islamic times, Allah worship, as well as the worship of Baal, were both astral religions in the sense that they involved the worship of the sun, the moon, and the stars.

    But notice that Jesus did not refer to the Pergamum Altar as the throne of Zeus, but rather as the throne of Satan. We can assume that Jesus made this point for a reason. While the various Beast Empires worshipped an assortment of gods under different names, Jesus actually referred to Zeus – the chief god of the ruling beast empire – as Satan. Zeus was Satan dressed in a Greek toga. This point is crucial as we attempt to understand the nature of the work of Satan in the earth in the Last-Days. We have already identified the re-emerging Islamic Empire as the final Beast Empire. We may also now identify Allah as Satan. This time, however, Satan is masquerading as the God of the Bible.

    Not only does Jesus equate Zeus (or Jupiter) with Satan, but he also states that Satan’s ‘throne’, or spiritual base, was geographically located in Turkey. As unusual as this may sound, Satan may actually establish a geographical stronghold or a spiritual capital of sorts. This is not surprising. As late as the 19th century, this throne remained in Turkey, also the location of the capital of the Ottoman Empire. Beyond this, Pergamum was relatively close to Ionia (roughly one hundred miles north). All factors considered, this passage, by naming Turkey as the location of Satan’s throne, also confirms Turkey’s significant role in the Last-Days Antichrist Empire.

    In two campaigns, starting in 1879, Satan’s throne, or the Pergamum Altar, as it is now called, was excavated by a German archeological team. The altar was shipped out of the Ottoman Empire from the original location and was reconstructed in the Pergamon Museum in Berlin in the 19th century. Today, the altar still sits in Berlin where it can be seen alongside other monumental structures such as the Ishtar Gate from Babylon.

    In 1934, Adolph Hitler became the dictator of Germany. Hitler ordered construction of the Tribune at Zeppelin Field in Nuremberg specifically for the purpose of his Nazi rallies. Several volumes have been written detailing the deeply occultist nature of the Nazi regime. Not surprisingly, then the Nazi architect of the Zeppelintribune, Albert Speer, actually used the Pergamum Altar as the model for what essentially became the premier Nazi pulpit. The Fuhrer’s podium was located in the middle of the replica of the Pergamum Altar. In light of Hitler’s brazen anti-Semitic spirit, and the horrors of the holocaust that accompanied his career, one can only conclude that Hitler did indeed conjure up a measure of that Satanic spirit that was present in Pergamum.

    What is also interesting about all of this is that in March of 2006, the nation of Turkey, after failing to convince Germany to return the Altar decided to rebuild a perfect replica of the ancient Altar on the same ancient hill in Bergama, the location of ancient Pergamum. In March 2006, Turkish Culture and Tourism Minister Atilla Koc stated that, ‘There is no chance of having the altar returned from Germany, because we have no legal right. But now we have a new project. The exact copies (replicas) of those historical artifacts will be built on the original sites.’

    This certainly makes one wonder if the same dark anti-Semitic spirit that seems to have followed this ancient Satanic altar to Germany, will now also find a welcome home in Turkey.

  264. If you look at a map with this verse!

    (Daniel 8:9 KJV) And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.(Jerusalem)

    Jerusalem (pleasant land) is directly south east of Istanbul, Turkey!

  265. Gods word told us where Jesus would come from (Bethlehem).

    It stands to reason the Lord will tell us exactly where antichrist comes from.

  266. Ron Murphy says:

    Okay all good points. But I’ve been studying and praying. And I felt lead to go to Zech. so I studied Zech. 9 and come up with a lot differ view than you did from it. For one thing where did you get Yavan / Ionia Turkey from, witch verse. And Hadrach and Hamath are in northern Syria, old world map.

  267. Ron Murphy says:

    I see where you erred, You are researching Tyrus and you went to Turkey. But understand Tyrus is another old name for Tyre. Because he mentioned Zidon, which is just north of Tyre, we have to assume that it is referring to Tyre, Look up Tyrus, Syria.

  268. Ron Murphy says:

    Okay Maybe I should of read it all first, sorry, my bad.

  269. Ron Murphy says:

    But then again we know that Turkey will come against Jerusalem and Judah in the Magog war, when Christ returns. Now if the Antichrist is ruling in Jerusalem, does it make sense, that he would attack his own city. And yet here in this same chapter we see Tyre once again building itself a stong hold. Being wise and getting rich. This is one place I think that favors Tyre more than Turkey.

  270. Ron Murphy says:

    One thing I do see in Turkey’s favor is, Why did Jesus just speak to the Churches there and nowhere else, in Revelation.

  271. Ron Murphy says:

    Where did you reference Sons of Greece?

  272. Ron Murphy says:

    What I should of said was where did you get Yavan to be Sons of Greece. Translation.

  273. Basically Yavan / Ionia = Greece or decendents of javan (yavan) or greece.

  274. Now that thats out of the way lets go verse 2.

    Zach 9:2

    (Zechariah 9:2 KJV) And Hamath also shall border thereby; Tyrus, and Zidon, though it be very wise.

    Ok basically what does this verse say to you in plain english? I want you to tell me what it says or what you think it says.

  275. Well let me cut to chase. Do not tell me. Let me tell you what I see when reading it.

    It says BORDER

  276. Many will have missed the prophecy due to a commonly used yet misleading translation: ‘I will rouse your sons, O Zion, against your sons, Greece (Yavan, Ionia).’ The key aspect of this passage is the reference to the sons of a place called Zion (Jews) fighting against the sons of a place called Yavan (Turks). Yavan was a descendant of Noah who came to live on the western coast of Asia Minor, or modern day Turkey, in the area that came to known as Ionia. See also Joel 3:6.

  277. see when you look up greece you will see that Israel is fighting againts sons of a place called yavan = greece Asia Minor (Turks today).

  278. Ron Murphy says:

    Yes I agree. Sorry I was looking for Antiochus’ birth place. Seems to be unknown.

  279. Ron Murphy says:

    It is talking about building up strength against the enemy, in this case the Lord.

  280. Ultimately Zach 9 is a synopsis of Israel fighting Turkey to the end when Jesus comes and finishes it. The other areas are wiped out during all this fighting that takes place back and forth between Turkey and Israel. The other areas being syria ect ect.

  281. Very basic synopsis if my understanding is correct.

  282. Ron Murphy says:

    Brother , I’ve got to get up in about 4 hours so I’ll finish this with you tomorrow, Good night, God bless you.

  283. Ron Murphy says:

    Well it’s not just turkey, brother it’s all nations. The Bible states that very clearly. Do remember this is at the time of his wrath. The 6th trumpet.

  284. You have to remember Turkey is extremely powerful. Due to their own build up through their own resources and the United States aide. Turkey has been a huge asset to the U.S. Since practically ww2. When Russians were trying to establish weapon systems in Cuba against us we were subduing Russia through establishing weapon systems in Turkey. Turkey is as powerful or more powerful then Russia.

    Night, rest well brother. God Bless

  285. Ron Murphy says:

    My point Here is Tyrus being so rich at this time, brings suspicion on it.

  286. I agree and will not leave that out. But the evidence for Greece, asia minor, turks is huge and Zach 9 is not the only place that mentions Turkey. Turkey is mentioned all over the place in scripture tied to satan I might add.

  287. Ron Murphy says:

    Good night brother, Tomorrow then

  288. I think without a doubt with careful study that the Lord told us exactly where he is coming from.

    The fact that I looked at a map tied to this verse alarmed me as well.

    Istanbul Turkey is directly north west of Jerusalem.

    or vise versa as the verse stats Jerusalem is south east of Istanbul Turkey.

    (Daniel 8:9 KJV) And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.(Jerusalem)

    Jerusalem (pleasant land) is directly south east of Istanbul, Turkey!

  289. The antichrist becomes great from its power established by aide from the U.S. initially which has been taking place all through cold war with Russia but when antichrist rises from Turkey he grows even more powerful due to flatteries and charisma and he obtains aide of the riches of those areas around him (again cause he is powerful and comes with charisma and flatteries.

    Notice he grows excedingly great toward the south and east and PLEASANT LAND (Jerusalem) He forms a peace treaty with them (Israel/Jerusalem). Israel is also RICH AND POWERFUL so he will control it all not own it but control it all as all of them will give him their power for a short time.

  290. He is going to use these fools as pawns but again the Lord is ultimately going to teach him a lesson.

  291. Ron Murphy says:

    All good points, But actually the same would be true with Tyre as well, it being north west of Jerusalem. And south would be Gaza. Damascus being east. Don’t forget the small people. Now let’s look at some interesting things he does. Dan. 11:28 shows that he returned into his own land with great riches. It sounds like he was in good standing with his homeland. Dan. 11:45 says that he shall plant the tabernacle of his palace between the seas, in the glorious holy mountains. We know this is Jerusalem, so I beg to question, why would Turkey attack Jerusalem if he is the king there? For we do know that Turkey will attack. I’m trying to look at this in a military perspective. I cannot find anything in scripture of treason, against him. I won’t dismiss Turkey, but I’ll have to favor Tyre, because basically of what it says in Ezek. 28. and them being a small people, being Lebanon.

  292. Ron Murphy says:

    I hate to change the subject, but I need to verify a few things., concerning the rapture. The pre-tribbers say that the church is not mentioned about anymore after chap. 3 of Rev. Shouldn’t that alone tell them something. They need to screw in the light bulb and flip the switch on. I mean, duh, why can’t they get it? Where is the raptured church? Everywhere in Rev. scripture, it shows the tribulation saints in heaven. Rev. 15:2 plainly speaks of the tribulation saints in heaven, on the sea of glass. I thought they said we would have to wait, to get to go to heaven. This verse signifies tribulation saints in heaven after the rapture of Rev. 14:14,15. Jesus will come back to the Mount of Olives, sometime around the 6th trumpet(6th vial). Otherwise, Jesus would be in Jerusalem with the antichrist for quite some time. I don’t find this acceptable. Just a point I wanted to make and clear up.

    • The problem is the church is mentioned. The church is just not mentioned as church. The church is the mystery.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        And that’s their down fall they make the Bible a big mystery novel. They refuse to listen to Jesus, and say He was talking to the Jews. The mystery they have missed. The mystery is the church are the martyred saints in Rev. 7:9,Rev. 15:2, and Rev. 20:4. Why can’t they see that? It’s because they have blinders on their eyes, the pretrib theory.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          These people don’t have faith that God will carry them through tribulation so they put their faith in a false prophet by the name of Darby. Just like the Jews, they are so easily swayed. satan has played it well. Just as Jesus cried Jerusalem, Jerusalem, my heart goes out to the masses being deceived. I know yours does, too, my brother. Lord help us, to help others.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            The mystery? Let’s cover the mystery. Rev. 10:7. So they are saying this last trumpet is when the rapture takes place( the 7th trumpet) and the church is the mystery being finished.. Okay and then they say that Jesus and the prophets was speaking to the Jews. But here it says “as declared to his servants the prophets”. Talk about confusion. The reason the mystery is finished is because Jesus begins His reign at this point and we will know everything, because he will tell us, of it all, and the fact that it’s all over with, it is finished. Why are they so blind to this? Take off the blinders, people.

  293. Ron Murphy says:

    Ezek.28:2 “I am a God. I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas.” Note that ‘seas’ is plural. I don’t know all the history of Tyre, but I can find none that the king of Tyre sat on God’s throne, in the temple, except for the antichrist, if he is the king of Tyre. Ezek. 28:12-15 clearly speaks of the king of Tyre as being satan. My conclusion, 75% Tyre to 25% Turkey. What are your conclusions on this?

  294. Ron Murphy says:

    People, You had better learn your Bible, Many false prophets abound, you had better know the difference. D city, these prophets are coming out like clock work.

  295. Ron Murphy says:

    I don’t see that, brother.

  296. Ron Murphy says:

    Yes I must go out for a while also, seeing I didn’t make my plans for this morning, just couldn’t rest with all those scripture running through my mind, I’m sure you know what I mean.

  297. Bless the Lord he is alive! I was up till 2 am watching predicting the end on twc. Have yall seen it? It was about the possibility of yosimite park exploding and changing our weather and way of life forever.

    Also being hit by a rogue planet knocking us out of our solar system and us becoming a rogue planet.

  298. Ron Murphy says:

    D city we have been preaching to lez, we need to pray for him.

  299. Ron Murphy says:

    D City, Ron stole my quote on the other blog, now I’m a little miffed, “The Bible is NOT Burger King, you can’t have it YOUR way! LOL


  300. D City So Nice, Dey Named It Twice. (Titus 2:15 & Proverbs 27:5):

    lol Valerie thats not in the bible lol

    I realize that but they are paying attention that were in the last days.

  301. Ron Murphy says:

    Valerie, the Lord said not to fear, we should obey that command. Only fear Him that can destroy both soul and body, let us fear God.

  302. Ron Murphy says:

    Gotcha! Valerie.

  303. Speaking of rapture doctrine I was reading this one popular site. They have quite an elaborate detailing of the supposed pre trib rapture. So I start reading with bible in hand.

    They start off with Christ being the first fruits. They describe first fruits accurately then they toss in these verses to show what they are talking about is true.

    (1 Corinthians 15:20-23 KJV) 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

    Then they explain in more detail and here is what they say word for word quoted:

    “In the passage above, Paul tells us that the Church’s resurrection is at some point between Christ’s resurrection and the beginning of His earthly kingdom. We will narrow down the timing of the Church’s resurrection as we go through the study”.

    MEANWHILE THE VERSES TOLD US EXACTLY WHEN IT HAPPENS. EXACTLY WHEN IT HAPPENS.

    (1 Corinthians 15:23) ……………afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

    This is how they start it out right off the bat. These people are seriously playing with Gods word.

    The verses without question say Christ was the first. The rest that are Christ’s AT HIS COMING.

  304. Ron Murphy says:

    Yes, also these first fruits are mentioned in Rev. 14:4. seen here singing a song in heaven that the 144000 on earth could hear and learn. Rev. 14:3

  305. Ron Murphy says:

    This is going on at about the time of the rapture, and the sealing of the Jews. Rev. 14:1 and Rev. 14:14,15.

  306. Ron Murphy says:

    Have you seen what going on in turkey today. The devils playing April fools. They have already unearth Philps martyr site, now today they opened the gate of hell. Turkey just gained another .05 percent

  307. I am about to make a great comment. Pause for 20 minutes or so while I gather my thoughts on how to put this into words. :)

  308. I will say this much. Everyone who is looking at ROME is widely deceived.

  309. Ron Murphy says:

    It’s really sad what satan is doing to the true believer of God. I would estimate at lest 95% of them believe Rome is the whore of Rev 17.

  310. Ron Murphy says:

    It’s really frustrating to stand by and watch as people won’t look at what coming. They are watching the big show, as John Wilkes Booth is sneaking up behind them.

  311. But Rome is the great whorre on the beast right?

  312. Ron Murphy says:

    No Valerie that’s what we been saying all the time.

  313. OK THIS IS SHORT AND SWEET. RON CAN CORRECT IF ANYTHING IS WRONG. BUT HERE ARE THE BASICS.

    THE ANTICRIST DOES NOT COME FROM ROME

    Antichrist Titles from scripture:

    King of Babylon
    Prince of Persia
    King of Assyria
    Prince of Tyre
    The Assyrian

    These in case you haven’t noticed are all titles from Middle Eastern Kingdoms not Eurpean Kingdoms!

    Daniel 7 describes Four beasts, kingdoms ect ect.

    Head =babylon
    Arm/Chest =Med/Persia
    Belly/Thighs=Greece

    Rome never crushed Babylon and Persia

    But it has to be the Roman Empire for they destroyed the Temple in 70 A.D. right???????

    Daniel 9:26

    It was the Assyrian Army that destroyed the temple in 70 A.D.

    Some say so what they were still under the Roman Empire.

    Joshephus an eye witness said Roman ruler Tiberias did not order the Temple to be destroyed.

    The beast is Islam.

    Daniel 11:36 ….shall set himself above God.

    How can antichrist be muslim when he shall set himself above every God?

    The answer is in the next verses of course :)

    Daniel 11:38 KJV) But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

    Forces (mean) = War & Submission

    allah is the god of war. Islam means submission.

    Muhammad set himself above Jesus the son of God/God in flesh saying he is the greatest and last prophet.

    Basically muhammad praised allah the god of war and muhammad set him above God and all that is God. Worshiping allah and muhammad is his prophet the god of forces.

    Daniel 11:15 mentions north.

    Rome is not north of Israel.

    But Syria and Turkey are norht of Israel.

    Islam fits the last beast of Daniel.

    Revelation 17 gives us more info.

    Revelation 17:3 mentions wilderness.

    Greek wilderness word #G2048

    G2048
    ἔρημος
    erēmos
    Thayer Definition:
    1) solitary, lonely, desolate, uninhabited
    1a) used of places
    1a1) a desert, wilderness
    1a2) deserted places, lonely regions
    1a3) an uncultivated region fit for pasturage

    Is ROME IN THE WILDERNESS/Desert?

    The angel said to John in Rev. 17:7 why do you marvel?

    Now John was well aware and knew that Rome killed christians and Jews so it stands to reason John would not marvel if it was Rome. Actually John marveled because he probably thought it would be Rome but wasn’t.

    (Revelation 17:9 KJV) And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

    SEVEN MOUNTAINS NOT SEVEN HILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Mecca sits on seven mountains physically but they mean empires.

    (Revelation 17:10 KJV) And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

    Egypt
    Assyria
    Babylon
    Med/Persia
    Greece

    ROME was ruling during the time of this prophecy = ONE IS

    The other has not come.

    That RULES OUT THE ROMAN EMPIRE.

    So who is the seventh King?

    The TURKISH/OTTOMAN/MUSLIM EMPIRE

    If the antichrist were to come from the Roman Empire it would come from the Eastern Part not the Western Eurpean because the Western part was destroyed and NEVER REVIVED.

    Romen continued to live through TURKEY as the BYSANTINE EMPIRE.

    The OTTOMAN TURKS defeated the Bysantine Empire may 29th 1453 marking the end of the Roman Empire.

    The Turkish Ottoman crushed the Babylonan, Persian, Grecan Empire the lion, bear, lepord.

    Rome never did this!

    The empire suffered a deadly head wound in WW1 But is Healing slow (rappidly now) in the middle east.

    Psalm 83 all ISLAM NOT EUROPEAN.

  314. Ron Murphy says:

    D City you want to take this on? I would like to see what you can do with it. I’ll help you. Or If you want I’ll do it.

  315. Ron Murphy says:

    That is pretty good, As far as the antichrist origin goes, But the whore upon the beast’s back is Jerusalem, She is also built on seven hills, And that would cause John to marvel. God is going to destroy her and bring in the new one down from heaven, which is the bride of Christ. Old Jerusalem the harlot because of her abominations, she is full of false religions, and the new Jerusalem that is the bride.

  316. Ron Murphy says:

    No city is built on 7 mountains. Mount of olives is not a mountain but it’s called a mountain anyway It is actually a hill

  317. Alright. I have to agree. We know the Jews have not accepted Christ. We know that many of them will not. About 1 3rd of them will accept Christ. Leaving a majority still not accepting Christ.

    The will definitely get into bed with the Muslims as that is prophesied. So yes this leads to them being the whore on the beast very much. I will say that. But if you can Ron, take your time and lay out the scripture verses showing this for people.

  318. Ron Murphy says:

    Okay, I’ll work it up. brother

  319. Ron Murphy says:

    This is a big subject, I will try to put up some of it to get it started. I’m not sure how long or deep it will go. But we are beginning on it. Hopefully it will be up in a few.

  320. Ron Murphy says:

    To begin with, God has only ever called a city , ‘the great city’ but one, and that being Jerusalem. It is his chosen city, and he shall also chose it again. Zech. 2:12 and Zech. 3:2. Mankind may call other cities, a great city, such as Rome, New York., etc., but God has only chosen one. If we will look in Rev. 11:8, we will see that the term, ‘the great city’ was used here to represent Jerusalem. This is evident, because it’s where our Lord was crucified, note in verse 8. Verse 8 also calls Jerusalem, Sodom and Egypt. The reason why it was called Sodom and Egypt, is because of the abomination of the Egyptian gods, and the wickedness of Sodom. She is portrayed as a harlot, even here, to begin with. Rev. 14:8 The angel is flying through the midst of heaven, proclaiming the downfall of Babylon. This si the same ‘mystery Babylon’ signified by the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Here in Rev. 14:8, she is also called that ‘great city’. Rev. 14:11 We see the smoke of their torment, because they worship the beast and his image. This image is the abomination of desolation, standing in the holy place, which is in the temple in Jerusalem. Matt. 24:15, Rev. 13:15 Rev. 16:16 shows the gathering of the battle of Armageddon during the 6th vial. Rev. 6:19 we see the great city once again, divided into three parts. Armageddon and Jerusalem are only a little ways apart.

  321. Ok very well put scriptures to back this up.

    I would like to add this as its important.

    G717
    Ἀρμαγεδδών
    Armageddōn
    Thayer Definition:
    Armageddon = “the hill or city of Megiddo”
    1) In Rev_16:16 the scene of a the struggle of good and evil is suggested by that battle plain of Esdraelon, which was famous for two great victories, of Barak over the Canaanites, and of Gideon over the Midianites; and for two great disasters, the deaths of Saul and Josiah. Hence in Revelation a place of great slaughter, the scene of a terrible retribution upon the wicked. The RSV translates the name as Har-Magedon, i.e. the hill (as Ar is the city) of Megiddo.
    Part of Speech: noun proper locative
    A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of Hebrew origin H2022 and H4023
    Citing in TDNT: 1:468, 79

    Armegeddon = Mount Megiddo

    Its a particular place on earth.

    Mount Megiddo is a literal place. In Israel Mount Megiddo over looks the valley of Jezreel on the opisite side of that valley is Nazereth. Interesting that from Nazereth you can see Megiddo. Jesus as a child look over at Megiddo. Just interesting.

  322. Libya, Sudan and Iran, together with Turkey form a perfect circle around Israel. Turkey covers Israel’s entire northern horizon, while Iran is east of Israel, Sudan is South, and Libya is to the west. Israel finds herself surrounded on all four corners by the Islamic nations of the Antichrist Empire.

    While many Bible teachers have for years prophesied a coming invasion of Israel headed by Russia, we see that the Bible simply does not substantiate this position. In fact, it is fair to say that the entire argument for a primary Russian involvement is based on weak scholarship and actually requires a violation of basic linguistic norms. Instead, we see an Islamic Invasion of Israel, most likely led by Turkey and involving minimally three or more other Islamic nations. While there is always the temptation to read ones enemies into Scripture, we should instead simply take the Bible for what it says. While presently, there is not any pressing reason to see Turkey as the leader of an imminent world Empire, this is nevertheless, what Ezekiel prophesied. And as we are about to see, this is indeed confirmed through other portions of Scripture as well.

  323. The other thing to note about scripture is that ISRAEL or JERUSALEM is the focal point of everything. So when we discuss empires of the past and there are 8 of them all together with the 8th being one of the 7 who was and is not and is again.

    ALL EMPIRES CONSIDERED have or must have ruled over JERUSALEM or they can not be considered. JERUSALEM is the center of Gods earth based on scripture. There is no question about that at all scripturally speaking.

  324. So for those of you who like to include America your way off track. America has never ruled over Jerusalem.

    As far as America is concerned the devil even knows this much. We are too powerful to overcome by force. Any kind of act of force against us will only UNITE US making things harder. No the only way to take America down is from within and in a no war like fashion which is what is being accomplished.

    When it is all said and done we will be rendered useless by economic and fighting within with one another. Leaving us useless to be involved to much in whats happening in the world. This is already coming to pass fast.

  325. If force comes against America too soon we will only unite and strengthen. If and when forced is used against us. It will be when or after a major economic crisis. For those of you who think that is now. ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE. But the next economic blow will be devastating for us and the world. This is when force will be used against us. WE ARE EXTREMELY CLOSE BUT NOT THERE YET.

  326. People will say North Korea. Negative. North Korea is only at the top of the list for distractions keeping us from economic woes about to come and also keeping us from paying attention to Iran, Russia, China. Ultimately there are so many things being tossed into the fire right now. Its impossible to have a solution for every one of them all while economically we are being destroyed from withing. Our military is also being dissembled and weakened and absurd amounts of money are being deliberately burned on absurd studies and failing programs. Make no mistake we are being destroyed quietly from within.

  327. The right wingers of America are already awakened to this but are continually being distracted. But governments own worst enemy has never been the right wing side of anything. Governments worst enemies has always been LIBERAL side of things if and when they finally wake up to what is happening or what has happened and how they been mislead and lied to. When the liberals take action is when things go NUTS.

    • The other thing to note is that communism has never used or accomplished itself by force. No my friends it works an entirely different war game, do not take this lightly but this has been coming about for quite some time in America. :)

      • Evolution is highly tied to our school system and is taught in every school in the country and has been for a long long long time.

        Darwin dedicated his book on evolution to KARL MARX father of communism. May the Lord You With Wisdom and Understanding Always.

      • Quoting

        “most of it is done by Americans to Americans, thanks to a lack of MORAL STANDARDS”

        “exposure to true information does not matter anymore”

        THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING IN AMERICA. IN FACT YOU CAN NOT DESCRIBE IT ANY BETTER.

        Most of those who can not see are the majority which ARE THE LIBERALS. But by the time they figure it out. ITS TO LATE. That is exactly where AMERICA IS RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Any major damaging economic crisis for nation never happens by itself without a REGIME CHANGE.

        In other words anything else that happens majorly to our economy will not come followed immediately by a REGIME CHANGE brought about by the uprising of the people. We are seeing this exact thing happen in most other nations around the world now. Its coming to America sooooooooooooon. Very soon.

        Thus the reports of all the stock piling of weapons and equipment by the government here at home. All action is being taken at home rather then abroad because at home is the most threatening situation to the leaders who caused this fisasco and based on statistics, history and analysis their biggest threat is at home.

        Again may the Lord Enrich You All With Wisdom & Understanding Always.

      • This guy just explained what obama has done to America

  328. Ron Murphy says:

    In Rev. 17:2, we see the great whore and her judgment, whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication. Now, if we refer back to Isaiah 23:17, we see Tyre, that she shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world, on the face of the earth. When Tyre was sacked by the Syrian Empire, her merchandise did not go to the Jews, but God said in Isaiah 23:18, that Tyre’s merchandise would be used for them that dwell before the Lord. So now your question is, what does Tyre have to do with Jerusalem? I believe Tyre is the origin of the beast, and Jerusalem is the harlot that rides upon the beast. We see that John is carried away into the wilderness where this woman is sitting upon the scarlet colored beast. Rev. 17:3. In Rev. 12:14, we see the woman also in the wilderness being specifically having a crown of twelve stars upon her head. Rev. 12:1. She is signified by the twelve stars, as being the twelve tribes of Jacob. We see in Rev. 17:5 “and upon her forehead was the name written, MYSTERY BABYLON, THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Here we see her once again being called the great. Rev.17:18 tells who she is. Rev. 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Please take note that almost all religions of the modern world today, came out of Jerusalem, through Abraham. Rev. 17:9 The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth. Jerusalem is built on seven peaks, and was known in Jesus’ time to be the “City of Seven Hills”. This was known and well recognized in the Jewish realm. This was also recorded in the Book of Legends, edited by Bialik and Ravnitzky, page 371, paragraph 111. Another significance of the antichrist coming out of Tyre ,is in Rev. 18:16, that great city has the color purple and scarlet. This corresponds with the dyes that made Tyre wealthy in times past. also in Rev. 18:24, in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. We see the words here, ‘the blood of prophets’. Luke 13:33 Jesus said ,, “for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.” Luke 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee.” This correlates with Rev. 19:2. Rev. 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Rev. 21:9 Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife. Rev. 21:10 And he carried me away and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem descending out of heaven from God. This is the bride and here again, she is called that great city, the holy Jerusalem. I have one more section, on Jerusalem being called the harlot by the old testament prophets.

  329. The Antichrist himself will come out of Assyria, better known today as the area of northern Iraq (Kurdistan) Mosul/Nineveh, which is currently dominated by Islam and the worship of the pagan Moon god Allah. History records that both the Islamic religion and the ancient city of Nineveh were devout ‘Moon Worshipers’ – Moon god Sin and New Moon goddess Inanna/Ishtar (Artemis). This can even be evidenced today when viewing Islam’s coveted symbol of a ‘Crescent Moon’ atop Moslem Mosques. Therefore, as Scripture reveals, (emphasis added)

    “There is one come out of thee,[Nineveh] that imagineth evil against the Lord, a wicked counsellor.” (Nahum 1:11)

    “And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.” (Micah 5:5)

    “Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven. [9] And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.” (Daniel 8:8-9)

    Thus, following the death of Alexander the Great in Babylon, his Grecian empire was divided into four divisions:

    (1) Cassander took Greece, Macedon and the western parts of the Empire.

    (2) Lysimachus took Asia Minor, or present Turkey and Thrace, the northern part of
    the Empire.

    (3) Seleucus took all the eastern parts of the Empire, including Syria and
    Babylon, or the modern states of Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Iran.

    (4) Ptolemy took the kingdom of Egypt, the southern part of the Empire.

    Alexander’s Empire was literally divided “toward the four winds of heaven” as stated by the Prophet Daniel 8:8. It is from the Seleucus division the Antichrist (Little Horn) will arise.

    Moreover, the Antichrist will most likely either be from the Tribe of Dan or have a strong affiliation with them. When the Jewish patriarch Jacob was dying, he declared,

    “… Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.” (Genesis 49:1)

    “Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. [17] Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward. [18] I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord.” (Genesis 49:16-18)

    In the Book of Deuteronomy 33:32, it is revealed, “And of Dan he said, Dan is a lion’s whelp: he shall leap from Bashan.”

    In support of these Scriptures, we find in the Book of Revelation that whenever the ‘Servants of God’ were sealed to go through the ‘Trumpet Judgments’ the Tribe of Dan was excluded and replaced by Joseph’s son Manasseh.

    “And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. [5] Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. [6] Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. [7] Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. [8] Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.” (Rev. 7:4-8)

    In addition, the prophet Jeremiah revealed that the Antichrist would come from Dan.

    “The snorting of his horses was heard from Dan: the whole land trembled at the sound of the neighing of his strong ones; for they are come, and have devoured the land, and all that is in it; the city, and those that dwell therein.” (Jeremiah 8:16)

    Jesus also reveals an association between the Antichrist and the Tribe of Dan whenever He prophetically discloses to His disciples where His return will take place.

    “And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body [carcass/ruin/death – Antichrist/Apollyon] is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.” (Luke 17:37)

    Anyone who studies Judaic history knows that Jewish tradition holds that the Tribe of Dan marched and encamped under the banner/standard of an Eagle (formally a serpent) with the Tribe of Judah represented by a Lion, Ephraim an Ox and Reuben the Face of a Man.

    The Prophet Daniel makes it clear that the Antichrist will derive his economic wealth by taking control of the Middle Eastern oil fields.

    “He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers’ fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.” (Daniel 11:24)

    The Hebrew word for ‘fattest’ is mashman, which is derived from the root word shaman, which means to be oily.
    Strong’s Hebrew Number 4924:
    Hebrew Word: ïîùî
    Transliterated Word: mashman
    Phonetic Spelling: mash-mawn’
    Definition: from Hebrew 8080 (shaman); fat, i.e. (literal and abstract) fatness; but usually (figurative and concrete) a rich dish, a fertile field, a robust man: – fat (one, -ness, -test, -test place). Strong’s Hebrew Number 8080:
    Hebrew Word: ïîù
    Transliterated Word: shaman
    Phonetic Spelling: shaw-man’
    Definition: a primitive root; to shine, i.e. (by analogy) be (causative make) oily or gross :- become (make, wax) fat.

    However, with regard to the Prophet Daniel, Dan. 9:27 was NOT fulfilled by Antiochus IV Epiphanes when he chose the Tobiad family and Jason as the new High Priest to replace Onias III (190-174 BC) who was murdered by Andronicus?

    After Jason wrongly hears that Antiochus had died in battle in Egypt, he forsook his covenant with Antiochus (Daniel 11:30). Thus, midway through the seven years covenant (Daniel 9:27; c.f. 7:25; 8:14, 26; 12:7), Antiochus concludes there is a revolt at hand, and responds by violating and plundering the Holy Jewish Temple (Daniel 11:31; 1 Maccabees 1:20-23), and banning the traditional Jewish practice of Daily Sacrifices (Daniel 9:27; c.f. 7:25; 8:11-13; 11:31; 1 Maccabees 1:41-53). He even made the Temple an altar for Baal/Zeus – the “abomination that desolates” (Daniel 9:27; 8:11-13; 11:31; 1 Maccabees 1:54-55).

    Thus, if this should prove to be evident with Daniel 9:27, and the alleged covenant/peace agreement is removed from the prophetic man Antichrist equation, there are NO further Scriptures to support a 7 year terrorist reign for a man Antichrist, but rather only a 31/2 years Antichrist reign during the last half of Daniel’s 70th Week, hence the Great Tribulation.

    “And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.” (Rev. 13:5)

    What we see in the above Scripture is that the Abyss Beast (Abaddon/Apollyon) is given a ‘MOUTH’ (False Prophet who is none other than the man Antichrist himself and the Second Beast of Rev. 13:11-12)

    “And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. [12] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.” (Rev. 13:11-12)

    It also must be noted that traditionalists cannot suggest that the man Antichrist will fulfill Daniel 9:27 regarding a 7 years peace covenant, and then interpret Rev. 13:5 as referring to the man Antichrist also. Rev. 13:5 states that, “and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.”

    While the man who will become the Great Tribulation Beast Antichrist will most certainly be alive before the onset of the last half of Daniel’s 70th Week, he will in no way be the much-dreaded man Antichrist as described in prophecy. He does NOT become the Beast man Antichrist until he arises and is possessed (infused with power) by the fallen angelic Abyss Beast Abaddon/Apollyon, marking the onset of the Great Tribulation – last 31/2 years of Daniel’s 70th Week.

    It only makes sense that if Yeshua Jesus is the One and Only True Prophet then, the Man Antichrist is the One and Only False Prophet (mouth). Therefore, Rev. chapter 13 reveals that the False Prophet rises after the First Beast (Abyss Beast Apollyon) and only exists 31/2 years.

    Therefore, the UNHOLY Trinity consists of Satan, Abyss Beast, and the Man Antichrist.

    Going forward, the final resolve at some point for Iraq will result in the country being partitioned into three distinct states or three autonomously federated states/regions – Kurds in the north (Mosul), Sunnis in the center (Baghdad) and Shiites in the south (Basra). According to Biblical Scripture, this will work to the coming Antichrist’s advantage.

    “And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.” (Daniel 7:24)

    As the above Scripture indicates the Antichrist, (Little Horn) when risen to full power marking the Middle of Daniel’s 70th Week (at the beginning of the Great Tribulation), from among the 10 Kings that come out of the old Roman Empire, will subdue three kings and the other seven kings will freely capitulate to his rule.

    “I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.” (Daniel 7:8)

    “For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.” (Rev. 17:17)

    As such, the old Roman Empire had two powerful capitals. The west had the celebrated capital city of Rome while the east had the capital city of Constantinople, today’s modern city of Istanbul, Turkey. As such, loosely speaking, these ten kings will probably include nations such as Greece, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Rumania, Serbia, (all Balkan states) Syria, Turkey, and the three kingdoms of Iraq. To this end, these Islamic states will be Daniel’s ‘toes of iron, while the Balkan states will fulfill the toes of clay’. There will most likely be five Kings from the western part of the Roman Empire and five from the eastern part of the Roman Empire.

    “[41] And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters’ clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. [42] And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. [43] And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.” (Daniel 2:41-43)

    Thus, the Antichrist’s ten-nation kingdom will be a mingled confederation of countries ruled by the brutal iron grip of dictators while the other member states will be ruled by much weaker and less aggressive democracies or the will of the people.

    Then, after the Antichrist has successfully taken full control of this revised ten-nation confederation at the onset of the ‘Great Tribulation’, he will immediately begin his military conquest towards the south, the east and towards Jerusalem, Israel.

    “And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.” (Daniel 8:9)

    One of his first targeted goals after capturing Jerusalem, will be to march eastward and capture the current nation of Iran (ancient Persia – feet of the bear – Rev. 13:2). It would appear that Iran is presently on the threshold of a successful nuclear program and baring some miracle, will result in Persia developing their own nuclear weapons. That being the case, Persia’s capture will fortify the Antichrist and his waxing kingdom with a position as a major world power. He will move aggressively to control the rich oil resources of the Middle East catapulting his kingdom into both a military and an economic global threat.

    As the U.S. grapples to find a viable exit strategy from Iraq and the realistic possibility of a sustainable democracy appears to be unattainable, the Israeli government is currently involved in a diplomatic dance with the devil on its own behalf. To their own unsuspecting, future demise, Israel is expanding its long-standing relationship with Iraq’s Kurds and establishing a significant presence on the ground in the semi-autonomous region of Kurdistan. Israeli intelligence and military operatives are now quietly at work in Kurdistan, providing training for Kurdish commando units and, most important in Israel’s perception, conducting covert operations inside Kurdish areas of Iran and Syria, utilizing their Mossad, Israel’s clandestine foreign-intelligence service.

    In addition, Israel is quietly supporting an independent Kurdistan, which will serve as a friendly ally buffer state between Syria, Iran and her own national security interest. Why? Israel feels particularly threatened by Iran’s nuclear potential, one whose position in the region has been strengthened by the Iraqi war.

    In support of the established relationship between the Jews and the Kurds we find that in 2001, a team of Israeli, German, and Indian scientists discovered that the majority of Jews around the world are closely related to the Kurdish people – more closely than they are to the Semitic-speaking Arabs or any other population that was tested. It would appear Jewish Judean people ultimately began their existence in an area within or nearby Kurdistan. Scripture would seem to support this theory depending upon your concept of where the ancient city of Haran actually resides – today’s southeastern Turkey. It should be noted that just as with the other cities of Mesopotamia (Babylon – male Moon god Sin and female New Moon goddess Inanna/Ishtar/Artemis) the inhabitants of Haran were devout ‘Moon Worshipers’.

    “And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son’s son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram’s wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.” (Genesis 11:31)

    With the above in mind is it any wonder why the Israelis will be deceived by the Man Antichrist who comes from a region they consider to be a long-time friend and ally. Meanwhile, the Antichrist will most likely use Israel as a land bridge between his northern kingdom and his military expansion ambitions southward to the continent of Africa.

    Moreover, it is only reasonable to assume that it is next to impossible to nuke or defeat an unsuspected enemy you have willingly invited into the living room of your own home.

    In conclusion, it must not be overlooked the rise of the Antichrist and his confederated kingdom will occur at lightening speed as Scripture reveals,

    “And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.” (Rev. 17:12)

  330. Kurdistan
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    Kurdish-inhabited areas
    Language Kurdish, Turkish, Arabic and Persian
    Location Western and Northwestern Iranian Plateau: Upper Mesopotamia, Zagros, Southeastern Anatolia, including parts of northwestern Iran, northern Iraq, northeastern Syria and southeastern Turkey[1]
    Area (Est.) 190,000 km²–390,000 km²
    74,000 sq.mi–151,000 sq.mi
    Population 35 to 40 Million (Kurdish Population) (Est.)[2]

    Kurdistan (About this sound (listen) (help·info) “Land of the Kurds”;[3] also formerly spelled Curdistan;[4][5] ancient name: Corduene[6][7][8][9][10][11][12]) is a roughly defined geo-cultural region wherein the Kurdish people form a prominent majority population,[citation needed] and Kurdish culture, language, and national identity have historically been based.[13]

    Contemporary use of Kurdistan refers to parts of eastern Turkey (Turkish Kurdistan), northern Iraq (Iraqi Kurdistan), northwestern Iran (Iranian Kurdistan) and northern Syria (Western Kurdistan) inhabited mainly by Kurds.[14] Kurdistan roughly encompasses the northwestern Zagros and the eastern Taurus mountain ranges,[15] and covers small portions of Armenia.

    Iraqi Kurdistan first gained autonomous status in a 1970 agreement with the Iraqi government, and its status was re-confirmed as an autonomous entity within the federal Iraqi republic in 2005.[16] There is a province by the name Kurdistan in Iran; it does not enjoy self-rule.

    Kurds fighting in the Syrian civil war were able to take control of large sections of Northeast Syria as forces loyal to al-Assad withdrew to fight elsewhere. Having established their own government, some Kurds called for autonomy in a democratic Syria; others hoped to establish an independent Kurdistan.[17]

    Some Kurdish nationalist organizations seek to create an independent nation state of Kurdistan, consisting of some or all of the areas with Kurdish majority, while others campaign for greater Kurdish autonomy within the existing national boundaries.[18][19]

  331. Israel is quietly supporting an independent Kurdistan, which will serve as a friendly ally buffer state between Syria, Iran and her own national security interest. Why? Israel feels particularly threatened by Iran’s nuclear potential, one whose position in the region has been strengthened by the Iraqi war.

    In support of the established relationship between the Jews and the Kurds we find that in 2001, a team of Israeli, German, and Indian scientists discovered that the majority of Jews around the world are closely related to the Kurdish people – more closely than they are to the Semitic-speaking Arabs or any other population that was tested. It would appear Jewish Judean people ultimately began their existence in an area within or nearby Kurdistan. Scripture would seem to support this theory depending upon your concept of where the ancient city of Haran actually resides – today’s southeastern Turkey. It should be noted that just as with the other cities of Mesopotamia (Babylon – male Moon god Sin and female New Moon goddess Inanna/Ishtar/Artemis) the inhabitants of Haran were devout ‘Moon Worshipers’.

    “And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son’s son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram’s wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.” (Genesis 11:31)

    With the above in mind is it any wonder why the Israelis will be deceived by the Man Antichrist who comes from a region they consider to be a long-time friend and ally. Meanwhile, the Antichrist will most likely use Israel as a land bridge between his northern kingdom and his military expansion ambitions southward to the continent of Africa.

    Moreover, it is only reasonable to assume that it is next to impossible to nuke or defeat an unsuspected enemy you have willingly invited into the living room of your own home.

    In conclusion, it must not be overlooked the rise of the Antichrist and his confederated kingdom will occur at lightening speed as Scripture reveals,

  332. Also remember this. Muslims basically came about from the offspring of Abraham. Abraham and his wife were told by the Lord they would have a child. His old wife did not believe this so she tempted Abraham and arranged for her young healthy servant girl to have a child with Abraham. His name was Ishmael. Islam was created from the decedents of Ishmael and clearly these scripture verse are dead on accurate as a result.

    (Genesis 16:11 KJV) And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.

    (Genesis 16:12 KJV) And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

  333. On a side note it all started with two women under one roof! lol

  334. I might also add that all the celebrities today are signing and symboling and referencing all these very same false gods today!!!!!!!!

    Babylon – male Moon god Sin and female New Moon goddess Inanna/Ishtar/Artemis) the inhabitants of Haran were devout ‘Moon Worshipers’.

    The pieces of the puzzle all come together if you open your eyes and look with innocence in our LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST. Its plain as day what is happening.

  335. Anyways just sharing very pertinent and highly intriguing information regarding the world around us. Many Americans can not see this stuff, refuse to see it, refuse to believe it and yet to me its crystal clear. Hopefully myself and Ron have opened some eyes.

  336. Ron Murphy says:

    Ezek. 23:4 Here we see Jerusalem being give the name, Aholibah. Ezek. 23:11 is referring to Jerusalem as being a bigger harlot than Samaria, with the Assyrians. Ezek. 23:19 shows that Jerusalem played the harlot also in Egypt. Ezek. 23:31 talks about giving the cup into her hand, the cup of astonishment and desolation. Ezek. 23:37 explains what the adulteries are. ” and with their idols have they committed adultery.” The whole chapter of Ezek. 16 speaks of Jerusalem playing the harlot. Hosea 9:1 talks about Israel gone a whoring after her god. Ezek. 39:22-24 pretty well sums up God’s purpose for what He’s doing to Israel.

  337. Ron Murphy says:

    I will have a summary for all this tomorrow.

  338. Hopefully we have laid out a better understanding as to where the antichrist comes from, why, what he will do and why, and what happens and is happening to America. The more economic issues there are world wide, the less likely super powers will be able to monitor and control Islam. As a result Islam will grow wildly out of control and as we have discussed and know from history out of much unrest comes A LEADER who unites people and changes the world as we know it. Only this leader that arises is the final world leader before the Return Of Jesus Christ.

  339. There is more to add to this but I want people to catch up here lol.

  340. Ron Murphy says:

    Wow, you two guys, together, are great!!! I just wish there was a way for us to copy all this down, as a take along study guide, to show others that aren’t on this blog! This is some good stuff. (Brenda)

  341. To get it all you should start reading from post #638

  342. Ron Murphy says:

    D City, you’ve done amazing work here, I’m well pleased with it. There are a few things that I’ll like to clarify concerning some of it, just to keep in mind. If we assume Iraq, wouldn’t that bring us out of the Grecian Empire? But I do understand it is also the Assyrian empire. Another thing to keep in mind is anything related to the wrath is for after tribulation. Always keep in mind Tribulation, Rapture, Wrath.

  343. Ron Murphy says:

    D City, Ron had to go out of town with a Pastor, so he will have to finish the summary later. (Bren)

  344. Ron Murphy says:

    OK, thanks. I have to leave, also, for a little while. Hopefully, we can put the summary on tonight. :)

  345. Looking forward to it.

  346. Hey Roland ! I am looking forward as well. Waiting on Ron to get back. I got a few other things I would like to toss into the pot and see what he thinks.

  347. Ron Murphy says:

    City, he should be getting back pretty soon. He went to Charleston, and I am looking for him any minute now. It might take a little while to get settled, though…after a cup of coffee and a piece of pie, LOL…..but we will eventually get going ! (Bren)

  348. Manuel says:

    For all of you who keep spewing nonsense that the Catholic church is not the true Christian faith, please answer this question: If Christ was crucified around the year 33 and protestant churches (All non-Catholic Christian based faiths) did not exist until the protestant reformation in 1517, are you telling me that NO ONE was saved for what…1400 plus years?? THINK ABOUT IT! Christ would not have suffered for ALL of us, then have no one be saved for hundreds of years until the printing press was invented so that every Tom, Dick & Harry could have a bible of his own. Not to mention that Christ only spoke about 1 body and 1 family where Luther BROKE that unity and drove a steak between tradition and scripture (let’s not forget his forgery of scripture to run with his heresies). NOWHERE in scripture does it say that Luther was a prophet or even a man of God, so please don’t think for a second that your watered down version of Christianity is the true faith when it can be traced back to the evil work of Luther. Apostolic succession of the Catholic Church can be traced all the way back to the time of Christ. And Christ promised that upon this rock I shall build my church and the gates of hell will never prevail!

    • NTEB News Desk says:

      Well, you really need to read some world history. First of all, the “Catholic Church” didn’t even begin until Constantine’s Edict Of Toleration in the year 325AD. The bible was finished in 96AD. So that would mean that 229 years had gone by before the Catholics ever appeared. So, obviously the Vatican had nothing to do with the writing of the bible. Secondly, when all those 2nd and 3rd century Christians (not catholics) were hiding in the catacombs in Rome, from whom where they hiding? Answer: They were hiding from the ROMANS who were killing them. Ever heard of the SPANISH INQUISTION? That was 3 centuries of the Popes ordering the slaughter of CHRISTIANS for the crime of daring to own their own bible….and during WWII, it was Pope Pius XII that formed a league with Hitler to slaughter the Jews….so there you have it. The Vatican is without a doubt the biggest mass-murderer of Christians in world history.
      Do you want to see the Catholic church mentioned in the bible? Its in Revelation 17 & 18 – “So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”

      • Not taking any theory you have away NTEB, just discussing other things that line up with scripture that keep people alert. I am a firm believer in not being focused to much in one thing or area, especially regarding the future. I have not eliminated the Pope at all. In fact he could very will be the one who helps the antichrist since there is activity of papacy in Israel as of recently (last bunch of years).

        But that does not take away from anything I am saying as what I am saying has much scripture to back it up as well. I am merely pointing out possible scenarios that people should be looking at closely. As far as the false prophet goes I can not and have not eliminated the papacy there is no question about that.

        But there are also other possibilities. We are talking about the future and scripture that specifically says will be revealed in its time. We true Christians will know when the time comes for sure. The trick is to help people who are on the edge from being overcome by strong delusion when that time arrives. We do that by discussing all scenarios that line up with scripture of course.

    • Regardless of what is said I have hard scriptural backed evidence that the Catholic Church has corrupted and disregards some blatant words straight from God. So even if they aren’t, the bottom line is the same verses they are not listening to are in their bible in the same words. They know it and do the opposite anyways so as far as attacking Catholics I do not think anyone here is attacking Catholics at all. I know many Catholics that are strong believers in Jesus Christ. We as Christian brothers and sisters are obligated to make those aware who are going against Gods word. Thats part of what we all are called to do. Anyone who takes it personally in any way is not in the right mind set according to scripture. We are all to be humble in these regards. God Bless

    • Another major concern in Jesus Christ is to much focus on a particular church or organization rather then listening to what was told to the churches in revelation. Many reasons that was stated. So we nearing the end. We true believers could know what was right and wrong what God approves of and what he disapproves of with each individual church. NOTICE HOW HE LIKED THINGS FROM EACH CHURCH BUT THERE WAS ALSO THINGS HE DID NOT LIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wake up we are not attacking one another we are helping one another by pointing all things out to each other that go against scripture. NONE OF US ARE WITH OUT WRONG OR SIN, NONE OF US. That includes ALL CHURCHES NO MATTER THE DENOMINATION based on first few chapters of revelation. So get over the denominational nonsense we have all wronged greatly.

  349. Ron Murphy says:

    D City and Roland, thank you for your participation in this study. The summary will come up shortly. God bless you all.

  350. Ron Murphy says:

    So now “The Great City” is Jerusalem. The old city as we know today is the same as the one that was known as the harlot in Ezek. chapters 23 and 16 and Jeremiah chapter 3, pertaining to Judah. The reason she is called the harlot, is because of her adultery with idols, Ezek. 20:30. She would not stay faithful to God, as He commanded. She worshipped many false idols of religions, such as the Philistine gods, Egyptian and Babylonian gods, and grove worship. The Greek and Roman gods were also in her, and just about anything coming and going. And now they have the Muslim religion, also. The antichrist will also bring in more witchcraft. So as Jerusalem was the harlot of the old testament prophet, Ezekiel, so is she today, and God said that He would destroy her, Jer. 9:11-16, Micah 3:12, Jer. 3:14,20. God is not concerned with the heathen nations as being the harlot. They have always been into idolatry. Jerusalem was His wife, but she played the harlot, so to punish her for all the sins that she has committed, He has sent upon her, 70 years of indignation. 69 years have passed, according to Daniel, and 1 week (7 years) is left. The antichrist will come in and rule from her, allowing them to build the temple and to sacrifice again, up until the middle of the 7 years. At that time, he will be killed and satan, out of the bottomless pit, will enter him and bring him back to life, Rev. 17:8 and Rev. 13:3. This will start the tribulation period, ending the Jewish sacrifice, and revealing the abomination of desolation, and starting the mark of the beast. The 2 olive trees will begin their witnessing at this point, and continue until tribulation has ended. I don’t have much Bible for it, but I believe when they are resurrected, this will be at the same time of the rapture, for we see right after this time, the great earthquake that killed 7000 men in Jerusalem, mystery Babylon, has fallen, Rev. 11:13, Rev. 18:10,19. As we can see, in Rev. 11:13, the remnant gave glory to God. These are the ones that the two olive trees came to witness to, the 144,000. This is the feeding of Rev. 12:14, and also Jer. 3:15. To sum all this up, the passage in Ezek. 6:8-10, tells it all. Ezek. 6:8 ” Yet I will leave a remnant, that ye may have some that shall escape the sword among the nations, when ye shall be scattered through the countries. Ezek. 6:9 “And they that escape of you, shall remember me among the nations whither they shall be carried captives, because I am broken with their whorish heart, which hath departed from me, and with their eyes, which go a whoring after their idols: and they shall lothe themselves for the evils which they have committed in all their abominations. Ezek.6:10 “and they shall know that I am the Lord, and that I have not said in vain that I would do this evil unto them.” God bless you all.

  351. I agree the rapture at same time as witness raising. With all that said how do you explain the verses that say I will destroy all who come against her. Her being Israel.

  352. Ron Murphy says:

    Okay , First we must understand not all of Jerusalem will be destroyed there will be some to destroy in his wrath as well, along with the armies of the beast, plus we have the remnant, but the verse that you’re referring to, is not just Jerusalem, but all of Judea and Israel. All that burden themselves, are the ones that came against her. These, he will destroy in his wrath, at his coming, when the nations are gathered.

  353. Ron Murphy says:

    This is the earthquake of Rev. 6:12. It is just before the wrath. The time of great chaos, with the signs of his coming.

  354. Ron Murphy says:

    In his wrath he will destroy Jerusalem, as his feet hit the mount of olives the land will divide to make a great valley.

  355. Ron Murphy says:

    This is Zech14:4

  356. Ron Murphy says:

    Zech. 14:2-3 Cover the day of Christ’s battle with the nations.

  357. Ron Murphy says:

    We see in Rev. 14:8 the fall of Jerusalem again, But it didn’t mention the earthquake. But if we look at verse 14 &15 we see the rapture again, Just like Rev 6:12, Matt. 24:29, Isa. 24:20,23.

  358. Ron Murphy says:

    In Rev.16:14 We see the battle of the Lord. We see the gathering in Armageddon. and in Rev. 16:19 we see the great city divided into 3 parts. Sound like Zech. 14:4 to you? There is just so much I could go on and on and on. But once you start seeing it coming to gather for you, it’s like the scriptures start coming to life, and I mean that literally. The Prophets, are like every word just makes so much since. God’s word is so amazing, I love it with all my heart. More than anything in this world. It will endure for ever. I hope I have helped increase your faith in God and you wisdom in that, when that day comes to lay down your life, if it comes to that, that you will know, you are in the best of hands. Put your trust in them. Even though they be nail scarred, know He is with you until the end of the world. Amen!

  359. When we talk remnant we are talking 144,000 correct?

  360. Ron Murphy says:

    Yes 144000 correct.

  361. Ron Murphy says:

    I feel like I need to make a summary of events to clarify the timeline. I’ll but this up soon.

  362. No I am understanding it fine I am asking or trying to ask questions that others may have to help eliminate confusion if there is any.

  363. I am going to try and do a synopsis of what we have drawn up as far as where antichrist comes from and why.

    In your summary you may want to clarify and include why Jersualem is great city.

    In other words I know what your saying but to be clear for people they must understand the term used in scripture “GREAT CITY” there is only one city repeated over and over again as the “GREAT CITY” to my knowledge that is Jerusalem.

    Then list the verses with “GREAT CITY” in it. I can help with that if you need it let me know I will e-mail you the verses. Although you should be able to do it based on info I sent you a week ago about.

  364. Ron Murphy says:

    i’m out for awhile

  365. I have to show you how to do this stuff real easy.

    Ok here is verse list with term GREAT CITY in it from beginning to end of KJV bible.

    (Genesis 10:12 KJV) And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city.

    (Joshua 10:2 KJV) That they feared greatly, because Gibeon was a great city, as one of the royal cities, and because it was greater than Ai, and all the men thereof were mighty.

    (2 Chronicles 33:14 KJV) Now after this he built a wall without the city of David (Jerusalem), on the west side of Gihon (From H1518 stream; Gichon, a river of Paradise; also a valley (or pool) near Jerusalem: – Gihon.) , in the valley, even to the entering in at the fish gate, and compassed about Ophel, and raised it up a very great height, and put captains of war in all the fenced cities of Judah.

    (Nehemiah 7:4 KJV) Now the city was large and great: but the people were few therein, and the houses were not builded.

    NOTE Nehemiah 7:1-4 is speaking of JERUSALEM

    (Revelation 11:8 KJV) And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

    (Revelation 14:8 KJV) And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

    (Revelation 16:19 KJV) And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

    (Revelation 17:18 KJV) And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

    (Revelation 18:10 KJV) Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

    (Revelation 18:16 KJV) And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

    (Revelation 18:18 KJV) And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city

    (Revelation 18:19 KJV) And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

    (Revelation 18:21 KJV) And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

    (Revelation 21:10 KJV) And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

    THE WHOLE REASON FOR THE LORD CREATING A NEW JERUSALEM A NEW HOLY CITY A NEW GREAT CITY IS CAUSE THE OLD JERUSALEM OUR JERUSALEM HERE NOW IS GOING TO BE THROWN DOWN FOR GOOD.

  366. Now for 100% undeniable proof that, “GREAT CITY” in revelations is JERUSALEM.

    First lets establish crystal clearly where Jesus was crucified, using scriptures of course. :)

    (Matthew 20:17 KJV) And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them,

    (Matthew 20:18-19 KJV) Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.

    (Revelation 11:8 KJV) And their dead bodies (TWO WITNESSES) shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

    THAT GREAT CITY IS JERUSALEM anyone who tries to say otherwise is not listening to scripture or Jesus’s words.

  367. Hope that helps people see more clearly Ron. I am going to work on my summary and you work on yours. Just helping out some. :) God Bless All

  368. Ron Murphy says:

    You done well, brother! You know, there is really no scripture, for that city to be Rome. The only place that would even give anyone that ideal is in Daniel, as he says the word “iron”. That is pretty lame , I think. Yes Rome is also built on 7 hills. Some were dug to make it so. And also, the Catholic’s and Romans did martyr a lot of Christians, but scripturally it has no weight that Rome is the harlot. That is why I believe it is a decoy used by satan to deceive the world. If we are looking to Rome it will be easier to sneak in his Biblical plan. Many times you have heard me describe satan as being in the antichrist. I just want to make it clear, I could be very wrong on that one. satan has many hierarchies. Principalities in high places. It is some confusing to me how the spirit realm actually works. In Rev 16:13 tells us of the three spirits like frogs come out of the mouths of the dragon, beast, and the false prophet. I don’t know if this means one in the beast and two in the false prophet, as he had two horns, But the dragon is identified in Rev. 20:2. The dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil and satan. Sorry if I’ve confused anyone. I don’t have an answer for this one, except that the spirit in the antichrist(beast) is satan( dragon) or it could be that satan is in the image of the beast and it is an image of a dragon. ???? They will worship this image and the dragon, also, Rev. 13:15,4. Another scenario is the dragon could be the one, the false prophet spoke like, Rev. 13:11. If anyone wants to add to this, please feel free to do so.

    • I got tons to add.

      What great city would the Lord be more upset with.

      Rome built by heathens who worshiped heathens and false gods from beginning to end.

      or

      Jerusalem who God designated for his people. Who his people then turned around and whored with false gods anyways. Then God sent his only son to them. They rejected and crucified his son. Who now currently have a building (Dome Of The Rock) of a false god in the land he gave them

      Ask yourself what would concern and anger him (God) more.

      Then ask yourself why haven’t the Jews removed or destroyed or taken down the dome of the Rock?

      Then ask yourself why have they still refused to acknowledge Jesus Christ. Say well obviously they haven’t removed the dome of the rock because they do not want to start a holy war. Then ask yourself if God would actually allow anyone who does something in the interest of the ONE TRUE GOD IN HEAVEN to come under harm?

      So then because of their lack of faith and rejection of his son Jesus Christ they leave a temple of a false God within their gates and city. The same of which they have done all throughout the ages from their existence.

      Remember Rome may be what we here on earth consider great but lets compare it to Jerusalem for a minute. HEAVEN AND EARTH Jerusalem is greater. Why? Well for one as long as Rome was a major city and it was what we consider pretty great it doesn’t even compare to Jerusalem. Jerusalem has been greater just in the fact its been around sine the beginning. It has been flooded with riches by kings, it has been sought after and fought over by king after king after king right to this very day, minute and second. Jerusalem has whored with more false gods then Rome ever has.

      What is the last thing that Jerusalem is going to do? Get into bed with the antichrist? Sign a peace treaty with the devil?

      Who do you think God is going to be more upset with. Rome or Jerusalem?

      Why is God building another Jerusalem in heaven for us ultimately to reside in?

      Look no matter how you try to swing it. The harlot of all harlots is Jerusalem. From beginning to end designated by God for his people. His people rejected him and have continually gotten into bed with all the false gods all along and still to this day do not accept Jesus Christ and have no FAITH IN the one true God. If they had the faith they would remove the dome of the Rock. BUT THEY DO NOT. The devil will use this tool to his advantage and they will accept him and allow him to do it. Whoring one last time. Before the Lord comes with his wrath.

  369. Ron Murphy says:

    1. The antichrist rises, from a group of the ten horns that gather to meet over Israel, they all hate her. he takes authority and subdues 3 of these horns, Daniel 7, says pluck them up. He will come with flatteries and obtain the kingdom peaceably. The scenario I see is , he will tell them he will help build the temple so they can offer sacrifices and have it built in one year. He will also promise to protect them from all enemies, so they can grow rich. His price? Give him the kingdom, make him king of Jerusalem. Egypt will rebel at this an he goes to war with them. The antichrist will conquer almost all of Persia, only Edom, Moab, and Ammon will escape him. That is just the way I see it playing out, but don’t hold me to it. All this will take place during the white horseman, the first seal of the book, Rev 6:1, and the second seal, the red horseman, Rev. 6:3.

  370. satan will control the antichrist as far as him being the actual antichrist well no he will be a man controlled by satan. My reasons for stating things like this seem to be backed up by scripture as well.

    As we see the beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire but satan is bound up for 1000 years.

    Scripture stating this.

    (Revelation 19:20 KJV) And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

    (Revelation 20:7 KJV) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

    So it looks to me like yes they will be the closest thing to satan in physical form on earth but they are still men and as such they go straight to the lake of fire while satan on the other hand is bound up for 1000 years and set loose one last time.

  371. Ron Murphy says:

    2. The antichrist is killed and resurrected by satan, because God allowed it to be, to fulfill his purpose. The beast is give much power and authority by satan to blaspheme God and destroy the holy people of God. He will enter the temple desecrating the altar, and stopping the sacrifices. He will place the Abomination of desolation in the temple, and set upon God’s throne in the temple showing himself to be God. This is the time of the great tribulation period. It will last approximately 3 1/2. Many will be killed in the latter part of this period. All who don’t worship the beast and the image of the beast will be killed. all that don’t take the mark will not buy or sell. This is the period of the black horseman and the pale horseman of the 3rd & 4th seals, Rev. 6:5 & 6:7 and up and through the 5th seal, at which the masses of saints are dying, of the deaths, of the 4th seal.

  372. (Revelation 2:9 KJV) I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

    (Revelation 3:9 KJV) Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are NOT, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

  373. Ron Murphy says:

    4. At the end of tribulation, according to Matt. 24:29-31, the rapture occurs. At this point, the earth will be in great chaos. It talks about the heavens being shaken, the earth will reel to and fro, and talks about the great earthquake. Then they will see Jesus in the clouds. Every eye will behold him, “For as lightening cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” The Jews will be sealed around this time, as preparation is made for the wrath of God. Rev.6:12-17 and Rev. 7:1-3. We are going to heaven for a period. Rev. 7:9-17. I know the question will come up eventually, so I will address it now, so that pre-tribbers will understand. You ask the question, ‘If the souls are under the altar, in heaven, and only martyrs will get to reign, where are the dead in Christ that rise?’ First, we must realize that soul and body are separated at death,.
    This is evident with the death of Jesus. His soul went into Hell to preach to the multitude there, and to recover the firstfruits, as His body laid in the tomb. When He was resurrected, the soul entered back into the body and it was gone, when they looked for Him. It will be the same when Jesus returns. He will bring the souls back to the bodies in the graves. For the body is dead, but the soul lives on.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      The rapture and the sealing of the remnant is the 6th seal. The Wrath of God is the 7th seal. The wrath consist of the 7 trumpets & the 7 vials. The vial and trumpets are the same series of event. This can be distinguished by the events before and after their series, prospectively.

  374. Ron Murphy says:

    Sorry, this was #3.

  375. Ron Murphy says:

    4. After we are raptured and are in heaven, and the remnant are sealed, the wrath of God will begin to be poured out. This will be a period of at least 6 months. I believe it will be 6 months and 2 weeks, but it could possibly be much more. This is for the first 6 trumpets(vials). The 6th trumpet will be the gathering of the nations to take Jerusalem. They will take Jerusalem, but that’s when Jesus steps in, and the plagues of fire, smoke, and brimstone were done to slay 1/3 of the men, Rev. 9:15-18. And finally the last trumpet, the 7th trumpet(vial), is the time of the great earthquake. The great city was divided into three parts, Rev. 16:19. This is the returning of Christ to the Mount of Olives, when it is cleaved into. Great hail fell out of heaven upon men, and the plague was exceedingly great, Rev.16:21. He shall bring His saints with Him. They are His army, and they shall reign with Him for a thousand years.

  376. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev. 17, “the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.” Many people believe this to be the Roman Empire. Rev. 13:3, ” And I saw one of the heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.” My question is: Why would the world wonder after the Roman Empire that came back to life? Empires rise and fall. In 410 A.D., Rome was sacked. People think this is the ‘was and is not’, and is coming back again, ‘yet is’. I believe that the antichrist will be killed with a wound to the head, and will come back and speak great things about death, saying it is simple, and a good place to rest, and so on. It will all sound very good to the ears, of even the elect. If they were not careful, they would be deceived, also. It is much like the pre-trib doctrine of today. They accept what sounds good over the truth. These people will be vulnerable, when the antichrist tickles the ears. People will love what he says, and anyone speaking against him, will be angry enough to kill.

  377. agreed that is why I run everything through the scriptural gauntlet before even considering the possibility. If it correlates closely to scripture then I consider it a possibility. Then onto the next study.

  378. Ron Murphy says:

    It’s your turn, I’ve covered all the aspects that I can think of. I’m here for questions or any help you might request.

  379. Sry I got caught up in NTEB latest two posts lol. They are fun type of posts for me. I get to speak truth bluntly lol

  380. Ok I have more info to add to different things. Just some more interesting stuff people should know.

  381. Great stuff DCity and Ron.

  382. The more I study the more direction is given to the tribe of Dan and Muslims. Many ask how can this be? Very simply from many verses but lets take these verses for a minute.

    AGAIN WHEN I SAY IRAQ ITS ONLY THE NORTHER PART OF IRAQ I AM TALKING ABOUT, SPECIFICALLY KURDISTAN WHICH CON-TEMPORARILY WAS KNOWN AS TURKEY!!!!!! So really I am talking about Turkey but currently is northern Iraq, specifically an area called Kurdistan.

    The tribe of Dan has been omitted from the 12 tribes of 12 thousand each (the 144,000) in the book of revelation.

    They were replaced by Joseph’s Joseph’s son Manasseh. (Seen in Revelation 7:4-8)

    Scripture pointing to this:

    (Genesis 49:1 KJV) And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.

    (Genesis 49:2 KJV) Gather yourselves together, and hear, ye sons of Jacob; and hearken unto Israel your father.

    (Genesis 49:3 KJV) Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power:

    (Genesis 49:16 KJV) Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.

    (Genesis 49:17 KJV) Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

    (Deuteronomy 33:22 KJV) And of Dan he said, Dan is a lion’s whelp: he shall leap from Bashan.

    (Jeremiah 8:16 KJV) The snorting of his horses was heard from Dan: the whole land trembled at the sound of the neighing of his strong ones; for they are come, and have devoured the land, and all that is in it; the city, and those that dwell therein.

    (Luke 17:37 KJV) And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body [carcass/ruin/death – Antichrist/Apollyon] is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

    Anyone who studies Judaic history knows that Jewish tradition holds that the Tribe of Dan marched and encamped under the banner/standard of an Eagle (formally a serpent) with the Tribe of Judah represented by a Lion, Ephraim an Ox and Reuben the Face of a Man.

    Dan left out of the 144,000 sealed (12 tribes of 12 thousand each) found in Revelation 7:4-8.

    The Kurdistan people are found to be Jewish descendants and relatives and now are MUSLIMS. Antichrist will be a Muslim and to top it off. Israel is currently working closely with Kurdistan people to subdue Iran.

  383. Ron Murphy says:

    That is interesting. I knew Dan had been omitted, but didn’t give it much thought.. Thank you, Roland, I hope this study has blessed you, brother. I hope it has blessed others as well. I know it has blessed Brenda & I. Thank you all for participating. D city, thank you, brother, you’ve brought many things to light. If you have more we are more than willing to listen. God bless each and everyone of you. May you endure until the very end. Amen!

  384. Studying on Mahdi the next muslim prophet they are expecting to appear. I might add they are not only expecting him to appear but are expecting him to appear with Jesus Christ to support him. Mahdi will be the antichrist they all except. Still researching for further details but the muslims have him appearing on the scene in the exact same manner the bible says the antichirst will. Its crazy. I will have more soon.

  385. Ron Murphy says:

    Sound good, brother. I’ll check Mahdi out.

  386. Ron Murphy says:

    Have you been lied to? Did they tell you tribulation would last 7 years? Here proof!!!! Dan. 9:27 and he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate. That is In the middle of 7 years. Now Matt.24:15 when ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of Daniel. Matt24:21 For then shall be great tribulation. Great tribulation= 3 1/2, they lied to you.

  387. Firstly I have spent quite a bit of time on this study.

    I do not intend on spending any more as I have discovered enough evidence for myself and I believe for others to gain some insight possibility and get the point.

    I will start with the definition of antichrist defined by the greek translation of the word. Then focus in on anit and chirst seperately. Lets begin.

    Antichrist
    G500
    ἀντίχριστος
    antichristos
    Thayer Definition:
    1) the adversary of the Messiah
    Part of Speech: noun masculine
    A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G473 and G5547
    Citing in TDNT: 9:493, 1322

    Anti
    G473
    ἀντί
    anti
    Thayer Definition:
    1) over against, opposite to, before
    2) for, instead of, in place of (something)
    2a) instead of
    2b) for
    2c) for that, because
    2d) wherefore, for this cause
    Part of Speech: preposition
    A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a primary particle
    Citing in TDNT: 1:372, 61

    Christ
    G5547
    Χριστός
    Christos
    Thayer Definition:
    Christ = “anointed”
    1) Christ was the Messiah, the Son of God
    2) anointed
    Part of Speech: adjective
    A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G5548
    Citing in TDNT: 9:493, 1322

    ULTIMATELY MEANING OPPOSING OR OPPOSITE OR INSTEAD OF THE ANNOINTED ONE OR MESSIAH.

    TO OPPOSE THE ANOINTED ONE or MESSIAH (Jesus Chirst).

    To come instead of JESUS CHRIST (annointed one/messiah).

    The main religion of the world today that stands about 1.5 billion people strong that opposes the Messiah, annointed one or JESUS CHRIST and to have someone come instead of annointed one/messiah (Jesus Christ) is Islam.

    They deny Jesus Christ is son of God (messiah, annointed one), they also deny the trinity or God head described in 1 John5:7 (the word being Jesus Christ.

    The force of Islam on the world is growing stronger each and every day. We see it happening now.

    (1 John 4:3 KJV) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    There are many, and have been many antichrists but there is one main singular antichrist coming.

    Continuing on…..

    The muslims believe pretty much a lot of what the bible teaches EXCEPT the one thing that gives them salvation. Jesus Christ. They deny Jesus Christ. They do believe Jesus Christ is a prophet but not the messiah. They deny Jesus Christ and the God head (1 John5:7).

    Now from Jesus Christ on they teach Muhammad is the next prophet and he was greater then Jesus Christ. Then the next prophet to come is called Mahdi.

    When Mahdi comes supposedly he comes with Jesus.

    Interesting cause the bible teaches an antichrist will come with a false prophet claiming to be the Messiah.

    So here we have 1 and half billion people preped and ready to receive the antichrist as the messiah and the person with him they think is Jesus the so called prophet to them.

    Jesus (not the real Jesus of course) will of course verifiy that the Mahdi is the messiah.

    This is what the muslims are currently looking for and they think he is coming. They are looking for the Mahdi.

    The antichrist is going to grow exceeding great to the south (Egypt/Lybia). Will grow exceedingly great to the east (Iraq/Iran/Afganistan/Pakistan). Will grow exceedingly great to the pleasant (Israel) land which is Israel.

    Now the only country that was not mentioned that he grows great from that shares all the same traits of all the countries mentioned here is TURKEY. Israel is the center of all those nations mentioned basically. BUT…….Northern Iraq is the center of all those (ONLY Islamic) nations mentioned. Particularly an area known as KURDISTAN WHICH CON-TEMPORARILY WAS KNOWN AS TURKEY!!!!!! The country to the NORTH!!!

    This is why I believe the antichrist (Mahdi) will arise from Kurdistan (northern Iraq) con-temporarily known as TURKEY!!!!! Again just my theory but has tons to match up with scripture and current events taking place in the world now.

    People can not seem to get how the mahdi will be accepted by the Jews. Well thats easy. Currently the Jews work very closely with the Kurdistan people to help them subdue Iran due to Iran’s nuclear program. It has also been discovered by Jewish and Other scientists that the Kurdistan people are strong Jewish lienage, stronger then others. The Kurdistan people are muslims though. But the Jews are now aware that the Kurdistan people are brothers to them from what they have learned about them.

    Knowing this, it will be easy for them to accept a leader who arises out of this area. How will this happen. Well by the hand of the Jews. Since they are working closely with the Kurdistan people because of Iran and Syria and all the other troubled areas and since they believe they are related to Kurdistan people.

    They are also training the Kurdistan people. Well the Jews are going to groom the leader that arises. This will make for an unbelievable connection between them and what we will know as the antichrist but the muslims will believe he is the messiah (the Mahdi). Thus a strong connection between the Jews and Muslims.

    The Jews having this connection will easily sign a peace agreement with him when he comes as the bible states.

    Note that all these nations mentioned in the bible are all the Islamic nations today!!!. Middle Eastern nations. Very little European.

    Are you ready for this next bit. The muslims believe the mahdi will arise from Iraq both the Sunni’s and Shiites. They also do not believe he will appear as long as the U.S. is there. Very Interesting!

    In the Quarn it says when you see the black turbons appearing in IRAQ the mahdi will be among them.

    Currently most of the muslim preachers are all wearing black turbons because they believe they are apart of this, what is soon coming.

    They (muslims) teach that the mahdi comes on a white horse!!!

    Now people always say the Sunni’s and Shiites are fighting all the time how are they ever going to come together. Cause they both believe THE MAHDI IS COMING VERY SOON!!!! This will easily unite them INSTANTLY!! It could happen at any moment.

    It looks to me like when a man comes along strong enough to unite people and cause a strong gathering, then satan will step in and do the rest. But not until it is time. Are we at that time now? If we are not we are EXTREMELY CLOSE!!!!!.

    With that said. In inner circles there are many muslims who said and believed that Osama Bin Laden was the mahdi!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Technically we have no idea where Osama is and O’sloppymama is said to have ordered him killed with seal team 6 which is dying off mysteriously. This was put on news with photos and a whole elaborate deal was made of this whole situation!!!!!! HIGHLY INTERESTING!!!!!!!!!!

    My point is no one really knows what happened to Osama. Maybe he was killed maybe he wasn’t. It was shown that seal team six shot him in the HEAD!!! All over the world. HIGHLY, HIGHLY INTERESTING.

    So you ask yourself what would instantly unite the muslim world. THE RE – APPEARANCE OF OSAMA BEEN LADEN?????? This will occur once the U.S. is pulled out completely and home????

    Just some food for thought!! God Bless You All!! I hope you gain some insight here. This is not what I am saying will happen. I just provided facts with a theories that would line up with scripture based on recent and current world events.

    I do believe the antichrist will be the mahdi and he will arise from northern Iraq. Whether or not Osama Bin Laden re-appears on the scene from out of the area of northern Iraq or not is just a theory of mine. But I do believe that the antichrist whoever he will be will arise from northern Iraq con-temporarily known as TURKEY. Again God Bless.

  388. Ron says Tyre which is modern day Tyrus because of Ezekiel 28:2 which calls antichrist prince of Tyre.

    With that said I would like to point out that the antichrist will have his pick of where he wants to rule from and all the muslim nations will accept him as a prince of course. I believe he will chose Tyre because of its location to Israel.

    Due to all the scripture pointing to TURKEY!! and the contemporary ties of Kurdistan currently in norther Iraq BUT……. Kurdistan is contemporarily known as TURKEY!!! Combined with the world situation of events and study of Quran’s Mahdi.. lining up with bible scripture as the appearance of the antichrist.

    I strongly believe the antichrist will arise from TURKEY BUT SPECIFICALLY Kurdistan which is now in Northern Iraq but again is con-temporarily known as being in TURKEY.

    I believe 90% Kurdistan, 5% some where else located in Turkey, and finally 5% somewhere else in only these locations. Cyprus/Tyre/Libia/Syria (some of these are areas within these areas).

    I believe he will settle and set up camp in Tyre as their prince. Thats where he will choose to put his seat and rule from due to its location near the PLEASANT LAND (Israel).

    The other thing to note is he will have a very short and quick acceptance ministry by the muslims. Him arising from Kurdistan is basically in the middle of all Islamic nations. It will be near TURKEY, IRAN, IRAQ and SYRIA which Kurdistan is right smack in the middle of those areas. This is going to happen very fast.

    Again I have added much fact finding to this theory. Just hoping to help people gain some insight into what might be and very soon!! God Bless.

  389. Fascinating. theory. I appreciate all the efforts put into this study brothers. God Bless you both.

  390. Ron Murphy says:

    Great study, D city. Much light shed on the subject, And you could be very well right. You do line up with scripture. I feel very strongly that he will be the Mahdi. I’ve felt that for many years, but didn’t see any proof. You have provided that in this wonderful study. You should publish it. And I might say, we have together narrowed it down from Turkey & Syria to Kurdistan & Tyre. But even with that, we have no assurance. But we do and know for sure he is from the Middle East and he will reign there. He may very well reign from Tyre and worship in Jerusalem. We do also know that the temple in Jerusalem is God’s seat. Thank you, brother. I know you worked hard on this, but that others might know, it is worth much to us. God’s blessings multiplied upon you, D City.

  391. Thanks Ron. I only want people to pay attention to all the scenarios provided they line up with scriptures. We have laid out much fact here based on current world events that line up with scripture. The idea is to keep people alert and ready and not to by into any one singular idea or scenario.

    As I have said non of this is forced. Gods word and prophecy falls into place all on its own. Its when you try to force things to fit is when you run into trouble. God Bless You All.

  392. Ron Murphy says:

    If ‘The Day of the Lord’ is the same as ‘the rapture’, then there would be no need for the tribulation, anyway. In Peter , it says that when the day of the Lord comes, that the earth and everything will burn up, so how could there be a tribulation period, after? It would have to be ‘before’ the day of the Lord. (Bren)

  393. Could it be that Osama will also have a mortal head wound and recover?

  394. (2 Peter 3:10 KJV) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    (2 Peter 3:11 KJV) Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

    (2 Peter 3:12 KJV) Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

    (2 Peter 3:13 KJV) Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

    (2 Peter 3:14 KJV) Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
    (2 Peter 3:15 KJV) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

    Highly interesting cause this is exaclty what the early church taught we were to look for. Peter even said this is what Paul has written unto you confirming day of the Lord.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Yes, very interesting, in Acts 2:20 ,it also talks about ‘the day of the Lord’. I find the books of Peter, to be very enlightening, and then to reference back to what Paul said, is good. There are different places where it mentions ‘the day of the Lord’. I’m going to study up on it. Thanks, City. You and Ron have really done a good work, here, and informed people with quite a lot of info. You guys need to get together-and write a book, or something….that would be totally awesome! (Bren)….. Maybe I could be your editor…LOL :)

  395. No I mean osama and have that heal.

    • Ron is correct and I just put that in there as a hypothetical. While its possible. Again its not likely. As Ron has stated what scripture states. He has a very short time to preform his deeds. In other words Michael (angel) fights with him and kicks him out of heaven. Once that happens we are warned that he has but a short time and to look out. Let me show you some scriptures for this.

      Revelation 12:7-12 (King James Version)
      7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

      8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

      9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

      10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

      11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

      12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

      The great tribulation is 3 and 1/2 years defined in many different places in scripture. Daniel defines the great tribulation and other places in scripture as well define the great tribulation in terms such as “times, time, and half a time, or 42 months, or 1260 days. That is how we know how long the tribulation is.

      Now the bible does talk of a week period which is 7 years. The final 7 years but the first part of that 7 years is not the great tribulation. The first half of that week (7 year period) is establishment of peace treaties and other things. The second half of that week (7 year period) is where satan goes to work for 3 and half years basically.

      Based on that info we know that the antichrist receives a mortal head wound and is revived or restored in some fashion. Now with that said. It could be anyone from the history of the world who died that could revive. But NOT LIKELY. If anything its more likely to be someone who was well known from recent history. Why ? Because people will recognized this as a wondrous (miracle) type of event. So its more likely to be someone who was well known recently that everyone knows about. Thus my hypothetical Osama Bin Laden. ITS MERELY A HYPOTHETICAL. As non of us know who or what till it happens. I put that in there to keep you alert and thinking as we Christians should be thinking and looking out for these things. Hope that helps.

      As Ron has stated and I am more inclined to believe that it will be more like a head wound he gets rushed to a hospital of course and (JUST MY THEORY) 3 days later arises from death miraculously . Why 3 days? Just a hunch cause thats is the amount of time that Jesus died and was raised. So again I am more inclined to think this will happen in a short period as Ron has stated. But an event like Osama Bin Laden re-appearing could also fulfill this at least in the muslims eyes. Again True Christians are going to know. Others are going to be severely disillusioned. So I am just keeping people alert as to what could or might transpire.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        D City, Ron will be here, shortly. That’s a good theory, but , as my English teacher used to say, when asked about a test, “One never knows, does one?” LOL :)
        I just love the way you two can expound on these prophecies. May God keep blessing you all, in it. I am so enjoying this ongoing study.

  396. Ron Murphy says:

    It is possible, Valerie, but highly unlikely, as far as that goes JFK could come back. I believe this antichrist may be dead for a short period of time as only a 3 1/2 year period is give for him to do all his work for great tribulation. It seems very one says 7 years of Tribulation, but that is not correct Jesus himself said 3 1/2 years of tribulation. the first 3 1/2 years before this time is called the indignation, which is God’s wrath upon Israel, no the whole world, for he is letting satan take the kingdom away from the Jews, which is way we call it satans wrath Rev. 12:12. But it is God indignation for a period of 70 years, in which most of it has already happened, only one week is left, that being 7 years. When tribulation starts. it will be upon the whole world, not just Israel.

  397. Ok may be dead meaning to come back to life?

  398. Ron Murphy says:

    Yes , Valerie The beast that was, is not and yet is. was alive died, came back. Son of perdition, means cursed one. Because he was able to come back is why the people marveled after him. he will speak great thing about death.

    • Now with that said. I would like to state that the beast that was, is not and yet is. I have not studied this in depth but. Take note that the beast referes to the actual antichrist but the beast term is also used to refer to nations or empires or kingdoms if I am correct. Maybe Ron could clarify this as well.

      So while it could be referring to a person it could be referring to a nation or kingdom or empire of some sort.

      Its actually looking like it will be a former empire that arises. People of earth will be greatly amazed at the power and glory of this earthly empire that has come back from what was thought of being destroyed.

      Again I have not looked in depth enough to verify whether its a person or empire. Ron may be able to elaborate more on this.

      • We have covered the person aspect. We should look into the possibility of a former nation, empire or kingdom re-appearing or arising. Just a thought.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Yes, brother, you are correct and have been with all you have said. Daniel stated in one place the beast as being an empire and in many others places, as being a man or king. I assume the antichrist and his kingdom will be the beast. But most of the time, when it talks about the beast, it refers to a king. I’d like to correct myself for what I told Levi, that the ones that loved not their lives unto death, is not the 144,000. I told Levi they were. I actually didn’t look that close, when I answered him. Rev. 12:11 is talking about the martyrs of Jesus. Rev. 12:10 signifies this, because their voice came from heaven. This could not have been the 144,000. God bless you all.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        A great place to study about was, is not, and was again the beast, is Revelation 17:10-11. I believe as you, that he will be dead for 3 days, to imitate Christ. God bless you, D City.

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