What The Bible Says About The Coming Third Jewish Temple Will Shock You To Your Core

Pray for the Jewish people who will be deceived into thinking that this Third Temple will be the Lord's Temple, because it will in no wise be. It will be the Temple of Satan himself, as Daniel so aptly pointed out thousands of years ago.

This Temple will not be the LORD’s temple, the Glory of God will not inhabit it.

“And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.” Daniel 9:27 (KJV)

Yesterday, we posted an article about the momentous announcement of a the Temple Institute located in Jerusalem, Israel, regarding the Red Heifer. As most of you know, the Temple Institute has been working tirelessly for the past 30-plus years to recreate all the items needed for the rebuilt Jewish Temple. They work they have accomplished in that time is nothing less than astounding.

Israeli Housing Minister calls for the building of the Third Jewish Temple:

The Bible in Daniel 9 (see above scripture) also talks about a Jewish Temple that will be standing during the time of Jacob’s Trouble, as found in Jeremiah 30:7 (KJV). Since there have already been 2 Jewish Temples with none left standing since 70 AD, we understand that Daniel is talking about the Third Jewish Temple. This is the same Temple that the Temple Institute has been laboring so hard to construct. The Prophet Daniel says, however, that instead of the Shekinah Glory of the God of Abraham, the Antichrist himself will sit in the Holy of Holies, thus defiling it.

What the Prophet Daniel Saw will happen in our lifetime

“Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.” Daniel 9: 24-27 (KJV)

Israeli Housing Minister calls for the building of the Third Jewish Temple

“Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.” Jeremiah 30:7 (KJV)

In the 9th chapter of the book of Daniel, we read a prophecy about the coming end times. The New Testament calls it the Great Tribulation, the Old Testament calls it the ‘time of Jacob’s trouble’, but they both are speaking of the same event. This event is a 7-year period, preceded by the Rapture, which kicks off the start of the 7 years of tribulation.



Daniel’s 70 Week was put on hold when Jesus the Messiah was put the death on the cross. That same 70th Week will be restarted immediately after the Rapture of the Church, and event that kicks of the Time of Jacob’s Trouble, the Great Tribulation from Matthew 24. Daniel was given a vision far into the future, pointing to a time when the Jewish Temple would be rebuilt. The Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD, and for nearly 2,000 years now it has laid in ruins, with just parts of the Temple walls and some of the foundations remaining. Watchers of end times bible prophecy have long speculated as to whether or not the Temple would be built for a third time. But Daniel 9, verse 27, clearly sees that there is a rebuilt Temple in the end times. Our time.

This Third Temple will be taken over by the Lawless One, commonly known as the Antichrist, at exactly three and one half years after the start of the Time of Jacob’s Trouble. This Temple will not be the LORD’s temple, the Glory of God will not inhabit it.

So pray for the Jewish people who will be deceived into thinking that this Third Temple will be the Lord’s Temple, because it will in no wise be. It will be the Temple of Satan himself, as Daniel so aptly pointed out thousands of years ago.

In the New Testament, Jesus talking about the rebuilt Jewish Temple warns the Jews to “flee into the mountains” when this event of the Antichrist sitting in the Temple takes place. And who does Jesus Himself quote when He issues this warning? Why, none other than the Prophet Daniel!

“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” Matthew 24:15-21 (KJV)

In that you have complete harmony between the Old and New Testaments about prophecy that will come to pass within our lifetimes. How scary and exciting is it to be alive in the last generation before the Rapture.

Are you ready for what comes next?

NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he has a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.

  • Joseph D’Hippolito

    Since the Dome of the Rock or the Al-Aqsa Mosque (or both) stand on the site of the ancient Temple, would both have to be destroyed before a Third Temple is built? If that’s the case, wouldn’t Islam have to cease to exist, at some point? I would think that Muslims would be among the most vigorous opponents of a “One World Religion,” unless they controlled such a religion (which, according to their own tenets, must be Islam). Your thoughts?

    • Yes, that’s part of the “magic” of the False Prophet and the Antichrist, that’s exactly the problem they solves which is why all the world will follow them.

      • Liz

        I have read several articles that the actual site will be 800 ft. South of the Dome of the Rock, as they have found archaeological evidence of the former temple being there under Gishon springs. There is always a natural spring at God’s temples. So no need to destroy the Dome, although I am betting that there will be some serious fighting about it being so close. And, I believe they will agree to the 2 state solution to be able to build the temple, and after the Antichrist sits in the temple, Jerusalem will be trampled by the gentiles for 42 months. So, am assuming that means Muslims will take over. The Jews will see they have been tricked, and war will be declared on them, and they will see that Jesus was truely the messiah, as the scales fall from their eyes. Praise God!!

      • The False Prophet / Anti -Christ is St.Paul

      • Who is actually St. Paul also called Little Beast in Revelation

    • Dan

      The dome of the rock has always been the problem. It wouldn’t surprise me if something natural destroyed the area of the DomeOTR. Maybe an earthquake.
      Something that will not cause an immediate riot or war.

      I started studying eschatology in the late 70’s when every theologian was talking about Russia taking over the world. The irony that Islam peaks its head back into history and fits perfectly into Revelation is a wonder how anyone could have missed it. The fact that Muslims are waiting for the 12th Imam and Christ as his prophet is too real and would fit the antichrist . The perfect storm of Islam the Pope the Jewish Temple the Israeli government . Its all there waiting to unfold . Will we believe it when it does or better yet will we be here?

      • Dan Seelnger

        The Dome of the Rock could be struck by lighting too.

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      • Dan Seelinger

        The Dome of the Rock could get struck by lightning too.

      • M garber

        Folks, do the research, stop thinking the traditions of men are true. The temple location is south of the dome of the rock, in the area once called the city of David. Scripture says no stone was left unturned….how could there be a portion of the wall left standing? I for one believe Jesus! This article states that part of the temple wall and foundation parts remain….not according to Jesus! It is for sure that this is not from the temple. I think this delusion will be lifted very soon, for the rapture is about to happen. Otherwise, I agree with this article. God will allow the temple to be rebuilt, not for his dwelling place, but to fulfill his word.

        • Dan

          Its already well known that the temple can be rebuilt without disturbing the dome of the rock.

          The Muslims are the problem and under the present circumstances will never allow the temple to be rebuilt.

          That’s why if an earthquake or some other natural force leveled the dome; maybe that would change the political climate and allow all parties (Pope Imam Rabbi ) to allow a deal for a new temple to be rebuilt. I’m sure allot of money will be involved and it will be grand.

    • aka glory

      the Muslim Mosque on the Rock will be taken out by an earthquake or bomb and then the rebuilding of the 3rd temple can start. The Hebrews are ready. The JEWISH high priest will be in charge of the temple till mid trib (middle of 70th week) and then the Antichrist, Pope Francis will take it over and stop the animal sacrifice (Daniel). There is a prediction of a Great Earthquake for 9/5/15, who knows, maybe this will be the beginning of the End. The rapture is going to happen on the Feast of Yom Teruah, Rosh Hashanah. (SEE Mark BILTZ) but he is not predicting what year. We should see ELIJAH return at the beginning of the Tribulation with the other witness, who remain for 42 months witnessing to the JEWS 144,000 left behind and special marked for protection from the Beast, Pope FRANCIS.

      • kiwiwatcher

        The dome of the rock is another distraction in a world heaving with rumours and hearsay, but is of interest.
        Unfortunately, Israel will be greatly deceived as pointed out by brother Geoffrey.
        Hosea 4: 6-7
        “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

        As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.”

        The re-established Temple in the latter days will be a pale imitation of ‘what was previous’ – and as a counterfeit – plays no part in salvation. Even the positioning of the temple will be a significant compromise as man seeks to locate the ‘Holy of Holies’ over which to place the new building.
        The temple will be a pathetic attempt by man and a deceptive plan by the evil one in developing a peaceful solution and forming a one world religion.

        Emperor Hadrian carried out huge earth works on this site which had been increased in area by Herod to about (14 hectares) 35 acres. May have been originally 5 hectares or 12 acres. In 135AD Hadrian covered the entire area and raised the mount platform an additional (15m) 50ft, erasing the original site of Solomons Temple.
        Then he built a temple to jupiter.
        Later on, Contanstine assumed Hadrian had built the temple where Solomons temple stood and in 325AD Constanstine had an octagon church built on the spot.
        Then the Muslins located the ruins of the church and on its foundations in 691AD they finished building the dome of the rock that we see today.

        James 3:17 –
        “But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy”.


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      • Dan


        Signs of the end times survive the end days

        Everyone the above video is a good example of what so many gullible Christians swallow hook line and sinker.

        Usually it is young Christians who grew up with the internet who are the least discerning.

        People stop letting infomercials tell you what the bible says..

        At the very least fact check with your bible to see if you agree with the interpretation .

    • carson

      I’ve heard that the site of the former and this new one coming is on the mount but north of that dome, space enough for both..? who knows but it’ll be built one way or another, also there are inter-faithing imam’s who’ve called for israel to be ‘allowed’ to have itself a temple as well as the vatican etc

      • Joseph D’Hippolito

        Carson, I don’t doubt that there are “inter-faithing imams” who advocate what you say. I just don’t think they represent a widely held view in Islam. I wouldn’t be surprised if most other imams view them as heretical or apostate.

        • carson

          yeah but don’t forget the devil has his short time (rev 12:12), so has ability to get his stuff done (only as it fulfills prophecy however), so his man the anti-christ must have a place to ‘sit’ (2nd thess 2-seats himself in the (rebuilt) temple, so the temple must be rebuilt)..so today those ensnared to the devil taken captive by him at his will (2nd timothy 2:26) might balk at the idea of israel getting a temple but the father of the flesh/the devil will turn those of the flesh/his own to allow a temple as well as other things that are hard to see men OF the world accepting today, the devil, the one who holds the snare on them, will turn them to do those things. Another thing I’d read on islam, they follow dutifully often enough what their imam’s tell them…?

    • Jesus Is Lord

      Yes! Islam is of the devil being used to terrorize the world.

      The world will be looking for a deliverer from the islam scourge, and since the antichrist is of the devil, he will bring his dog (islam) to heel.

      The blind in the world will proclaim him as savior.

      Kind of like the evil scientist loosing a plague with the antidote in hand so he can be the hero. A perfect plan, albeit a temporary one, snce we all know how the story really ends.

    • The Muslim Imam’s and Sheikhs are getting pretty friendly with this new pope and have been going to each others house of god… It is said the Vatican will move to Jerusalem and the pope being the leader of this one world religion,, his throne will be situated with its back towards Mecca and the Muslims will prostrate towards the pope’s throne and Mecca… FYI it was the RCC that started Islam and wanted them to take Jerusalem for them but it back-fired on them when the Muslims became to powerful,,, Now they’re making up… And maybe Chrislam will be created….

      • filomena seiffert

        Christian Knight, I do not mean to be rude but what you say is stupidity. We all know tat Islam was invented by Muhamad and the RCC, never had anything to do with it, on the contrary the RCC suffer terrible atrocities from the satanic sect. The RCC has been the moral ground that guided civilization trough the centuries, two thousand of them.

    • Sunni Islam will cease to exist during the Church-Age at the Psalm 83 war. Later on Shia Islam, along with Northern Europe, including Russia, Germany, Turkey, Libya, and the UK will attack Israel during the Gog/Magog war. At this point the rapture of the true believers will become imminent.

      I expect that the Temple construction will begin after the Psalm 83 war, but while many prophecy scholars thing the Gog/Magog war is a part of the Tribulation I have discovered irrefutable proof that it is a pre-Tribulation war. Satan will use this war to deceive people into believing that they have survived the tribulation, when in fact it is still future!

    • Dea

      Peope you really need to open your eyes! Take care.

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  • Dr Bob Chapman Ph.D, D.Min, MA, BA

    Hi Geoffrey,

    Actually, if this temple was built it would be the 4th temple. The second built by the remnant of uneducated field workers and poor Hebrews left behind by the Babylonians after they destroyed the first temple and led captive the selected Hebrews. Herod build the third temple.

    This Hebrew remnant kept the teachings of the Torah and in 332BC built a second temple on Mt Gerizim which stood for 200 years until it was destroyed by John Hyrcanus in 128BC. This remnant of Hebrew people became known as the Samaritans who accept only the Torah as supreme and the prophets and poetry as of lesser value. The Sadducees were also known for such practice.

    Hence the woman at the well, a Samaritan, asked Jesus, a prophet, where is the place of true worship; in Jerusalem or in Samaria? Jesus reply: in neither. True worship originates with the Holy Spirit and it resides in you. Relationship with the Father through Jesus Christ and the leading of the Holy Spirit who wrote the law has replaced religious location and rituals, so why reintroduce it with a 4th temple?


    • When you understand that God wrote the Bible dispensationally, all these things begin to fall into place. After the Rapture of the Church, Temple worship will indeed resume. Jesus Himself says so in Matthew 24, the great chapter on the Jews in the Tribulation. The age of “salvation by grace through faith”, our dispensation, will end with the Rapture. Taking it’s place will be the Old Testament “faith plus works”. Pauline doctrine will be out, Hebrews, James, Matthew, Mark and Luke will be in.

      • Dr Bob Chapman Ph.D, D.Min, MA, BA

        Hi Geoffrey,

        Unusual rendering on your behalf of a mixture of scripture. Intriguing I must say. Actually I have not seen any such teaching before of the order you mention. Must be some new revelation from somewhere. I am sure the people to whom the books you mention were first written weren’t as confused about their intent.

        Ah, well, eschatology is only milk and not solid meat anyhow, as Hebrews 6:1-2 state. I am sure God wills for all of us to grow up to eat the solid meat over the years, as He promises in Hebrews 6:3, Also that He then let’s us experience spiritual enlightenment, go on to taste the heavenly gift, partner with the Holy Spirit in the work of God, taste the good word of God, and taste the powers of the age to come, Hebrews 6:4-5. Spiritual maturity sure is a more interesting place by the sounds of it.


        • Dan

          Bob , (I think you jest) surely you have heard of Dispensationalsim ? In fact in some ways it makes sense. One of the problems I have with it is why would Jesus include himself in this? The apostles I understand but God? I have a problem with believing God would teach the apostles one thing and then teach Paul another. I understand the dispensational reasoning around this but it still doesn’t sit well with me.

          I like your milk and solid meat analogy (so true)
          Let me give you more. The bible is the milk and holy spirit is the meat. We would do well to only rely on the spirit but there is always the milk.
          Still I rest in Gods patience with me.

          • Dr Bob Chapman Ph.D, D.Min, MA, BA

            His Dan,

            In regard to maturing in the faith, it is not possible when one does not acknowledge that spiritual gifts are active in the kingdom today. That Hebrews 6:4 reference to being in business (God’s) partnership with the Holy Spirit, as Thayer puts it, is as vital as the other experiences mentioned in Heb. 6:4-5.

            All of these discussions on end-times and the multitude of psuedo-interpretations coming out of modern day Bible illiterate, hyper-entertainment, feel good church environments wouldn’t exist if modern day believers attended regular Bible 101 classes and were taught the basic principles of interpretation in the first place.


          • Dan

            Bob, I’m going to go out on a limb and say Hebrews 6:9 refers to most everyone here. But, Hebrews chapter 6 touches on some of what I mean when I compare the bible and spirit and milk and meat. I love the bible but its not enough. We usually argue over its meaning anyway. The holy spirit knows and lifts me up when I need it so a differing view of scripture doesn’t bother me too much.

            As for being in the end times. I made up my mind years ago not to get too excited unless the temple was being built.
            I’ve been watching for 35 years now.

            You can thank you-tube for the modern day bible illiterate.
            But, is that their fault ? Its hard for me to believe God doesn’t understand these things. I will admit its troubling.

            bible 101 class . Now there’s a good idea but which denomination do you want in your class first ? (laugh)


          • Dr Bob Chapman Ph.D, D.Min, MA, BA


            I did actually see a Bible 101 about 45 years ago. It was great. It took first year Sunday school children through a basic overview of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. Then the following year it was upgraded and so on throughout the years. So when someone reached adulthood they were fully versed on the basics of the word of God.

            I often wish I had kept a copy of it for gatherings today.


        • aka glory

          When you go back to the WORD of God and put Revelations, Daniel, the gospel, 2 Thessalonians, Zechariah, Ezekiel, Isaiah, all the pieces to the puzzle and ONLY IF YOU OBEYED THE BOOK OF ACTS FOR THE NEW COVENANT OF SALVATION as preached by Peter and Paul, filled with the holy ghost with evidence by speaking in unknown tongues and baptized in JESUS NAME as everyone did in the bible, (NO ONE WAS EVER BAPTIZED WITH DROPS OF WATER OR IN THE OFFICE TITLES OF F, S, HG. )…then you will have the understanding of this website and the TRUTH that he is publishing which is correct and right on. The Rapture is in chap. 4-5, we are on the 6th seal. The Pope Francis is the Antichrist, the white horse already here, the Black pope Adolfo Nicolas, is the black horse and false prophet, the JESUITS WHO ARE ALREADY RUNNING OUR GOVERNMENT; John Kerry, Biden, John Boehner are all JESUITS, LOOK UP THE holy see, AND THE ROMAN CURIA on Wikipedia…and we are the verge of the rapture. if you have NOT OBEYED ACTS 2: 38 OR ACTS 19:1-6, you will be LEFT BEHIND….AND GO THRU THE FIRST PART OF THE TRIBULATION AND HAVE TO BE JUDGED IN THE SECOND DEATH. amen

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          • Dan

            it would be nice if we all could start from Genesis and read through to Jude and all agree on 1 interpretation of scripture.

            For me this is God showing me his ways are not my ways and I’ll have to trust him. So I do..

          • steve

            ahh i see we have a oneness apostolic who cant see past his denimonation..typical the early church never taught such nonsense as a pre trib rapture so go back to what your good at which is yammering acts 2:38 and talking about jesus name baptism for every disucussion you ever have with anyone


        Dear Geoffrey

        The point has been made and that correctly. That there will be no temple that will be physically built where God will shine His glory. This temple will be the agenda of those out of Christ.
        Whether its the 3rd or 4th temple is not of importance. The key thing is that no temple built is of Christ as HE is the final temple when He arose from the dead.

        Dr Bob no doubt is a theologian and comes with a wealth of knowledge. However many interpret scripture according to their own beliefs. E.g There is no word in scripture like “RAPTURE”. the word is “caught up”. The point is that we should not be caught up in vain ideologies but rather get the message of the gospel out to as many as possible and to highlight the many prophecies that are being fulfilled in this day. And God has blessed you with immense grace to report many things that are currently taking place that the nominal Christian will never know about. We are more than grateful to you for highlighting many things even though some things can be argued as Dr Bob highlights.


        • aka glory

          Sorry, read the book of Daniel where the Antichrist, POPE FRANCIS, will stop the live animal sacrifice. You need to google what the Sanhedrin is up to. They have been practicing for a while all the customs and old laws of the torah for the HIGH PRIEST. You will see how fast they rebuild that 3rd temple. Read EZRA…when the POPE Francis starts his WORLD WIDE HOLOCOST and communism planned with Cuba, etc. THE JEWS WILL BE FLEEING for ISRAEL. Especially after the Rapture. only 144,000 Jews will be saved during the Tribulation and it wont be the the JEHOVAH WITNESSES or MORMANS or FREE MASONS all started by the Roman Catholics to divert the people further from the WORD OF GOD. OBEY ACTS 2:37-38 and ACTS 19:1-6 and be baptized with the HOLY GHOST power from JESUS or you will be LEFT BEHIND after the rapture. amen

          • marilyn harrell

            At midTrib..the Antichrist will turn on Israel with a vengeance and stop animal sacrifice and declare himself to be God…it is then the Jews will flee to the mountains

      • allison webster

        There’s nothing in the Bible that says specifically that anything like a “rapture” will take place before the beginning of the seven-year Tribulation period. The only reference to an event like that is at the END of the seven-year Tribulation period (1 Corinthians 15:52). I hope there will be a pre-trib rapture, but don’t hold your breath. In fact, the Bible states emphatically that the Antichrist will subdue Christians who do not take his “Mark” in their right hand or forehead, and they will be beheaded by the Antichrist(Revelations 6:9).

      • Abigail Sanders

        Exactly how I also received it…you’re not missing a beat Geoffrey. Are you aware of info regarding the fact that the temple is already built in sections…pre-fab, if you will…and just waiting for the appointed time of actual construction?

      • steve

        for someone with a website claiming to study the bible your in for a huge shock when you find out paul did not teach anything diffeerent than james or mark or luke…you rip a aprt the scriptures in your own baptist grace lies your also gonna be in for a huge shock when you find out toungues etc have not ceased and you were without the holy spirirt the whole time…not to even mention the mid and pre trib raptuyre lies you have swallowed,,,i hope god opens your eyes before then

    • Lars

      Incorrect! This is not the fourth Temple. This is the third Temple.

      The Tabernacle Moses built was not the Temple but the forshadowing of the temple

      • Andrew A

        Dr. Chapman is referring to the Samaritan temple at Mt. Gerizim. It isn’t counted in the Bible because it was not commissioned and blessed by God. Nor was it built in Jerusalem.

    • john j livingston iii

      There was also a temple built in Egypt called Leontopolis by the the last High Priest of Aaronic descent who was deposed. Shortly before the time of Christ. Jesus did not acknoweledge the High Priest of his time as he was not a descendant of Aaron so he chose John the Baptist whose mother and father were both Levites.

  • Sunny

    Homosexual Sues Bible Publisher Because Bible Is Homophobic!!! 😆

    …another shock? 😮

  • kiwiwatcher

    Greetings brothers and sisters

    Excellent work Geoffrey in clarifying Temple matters. Blessings

    A reasonable school of thought is that the Dome is actually located in the Court of Gentiles and the first/second temples were located to the north of the Dome.

    Therefore, a third Temple could be constructed while the still Dome exists.

    This option would fulfil Bible prophecy and provide the means for the last dictator to broker a ‘peaceful solution’ between Israel and the Palestinians, giving both parties access to their ‘holy place.’

    Dan 9;27
    “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:”

    • A Zyffel

      Yep, this theory.

      There’s going to be another Temple, and another after that.

    • kiwiwatcher

      Apology for poor map reading skills – Solomon’s Temple was to the north of the dome of the rock……between the dome and the mosque over the Al Kas fountain

  • Matt

    “That same 70th Week will be restarted immediately after the Rapture of the Church”

    this is not what Scripture says, read again what Daniel 9:27 says:
    “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (…)”

    What triggers the start of the 70th week is not the rapture, but the antichrist enforcing a “covenant with many”. See also Daniel 8:25: “(…) and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many (…)”. That covenant includes a false peace (see also Revelation 6:2).
    The rapture can occur anytime before that 70th week, it could be on that same day as you suggest, but it can also happen months or years earlier. 2. Thessalonians suggests that a precondition for the antichrist to come to power is the church to be removed (2. Thess. 2:3-8)


      Yes Correct Matt

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      I have never seen anything about the rapture coming before tribulation. 2 thessolonians 2:3-8 is referring to the great falling away, which is when many fall away from the faith. In revelation it states that the tribulation will be cut short because of the elect that are still here. So how can the rapture happen before hand? From what I’ve understood of my own searching for truth through the scriptures and teachers is that the rapture happens at the very end, when Christ comes to take the church and destroy the powers of wickedness. If anyone has any other information through scripture I’d be glad to see.

      • Andrew A

        144,000 saints of the tribe of Israel sealed by God are an elect. Their is a great multitude who are brought to faith in God because of the 144,000 and the 2 witness all 3 groups are an elect mentioned by name during Revelations judgments. So their you go several groups of elect in the bible during tribulation.

    • A Zyffel

      The rapture can occur anytime before that 70th week, it could be on that same day as you suggest, but it can also happen months or years earlier…..Yes.

      I see no script that says the trib starts immediately after the Rapture. There could be 3 years, 7 years or a generation of time between the two. If the trib starts immediately after the Rapture, then those left behind will certainly recall that those pesky Christians kept talking about the antichrist….so they will asassinate anyone who seems to fit that description. Furthermore, CNN, msNBC, et al,will supply revision upon revision about where did all those people go? Then years later, after much chaos, the lefties, [those left behind], will fall for the smooth talking, problem solving antichrist.

      Now for those of you claiming a post trib rapture, [like Irvin Baxter], how do you explain the parable of the gleanings? The way I read it, the HARVEST occurs first, then there will be a few who get saved later, but have to suffer the trib…..

      Notwithstanding all theories, they are all wrong to some degree. In the next realm, I hope to look back & see EXACTLY how prophecy was EXACTLY correct & how we ALL misinterpetated it at least in some small way and most in BIG ways. [GWB spelling]

      I B ready mon, let’s go

      • Heather

        Luke 17:26-30King James Version (KJV)

        26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

        27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

        28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

        29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

        30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

      • steve

        and everything you just described came from your own mind..youtube and movies..its nowhere in scripture all pure fantasy

  • Christopher

    All of this can be cleared up perfectly with 2 Thessalonians chapter 2:

    Verse 1:

    “Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,”

    Who’s “we?” Paul, Silvanus, and Timotheus. Who’s “you?” The church members at Thessalonika. Who’s “our?” All of them, and, by extension, all of us Christians today. Pretty redundant and obvious, right? I like to think so.

    Verse 2:

    “That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.”

    To assume the “day of Christ” in v2 refers to anything other than “our gathering together unto Him” in v1 is preposterous. Verse 3 declares that we will not be gathered unto Him until after that “man of sin” is revealed.

    Verse 3:

    “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;”

    The Greek is very strong here; literally meaning, it is SO TRUE that if the falling away were to never happen, and the man of sin were never revealed, the day of Christ could never occur either. Of course it will occur: just not until after some other things happen first. Pre trib theory maintains that this “man of sin” will not be revealed until after the rapture. If this is true, then “our gathering together unto Him” in v1 CANNOT refer to the “day of Christ” in v2; it would refer to the rapture, supposed to happen PRIOR, in a separate event. Was Paul confused? Was 2 Thessalonians translated so poorly it could not reflect the (supposed fact) that the rapture and the day of Christ are actually two separate events? Are “post trib” Christians (like me) so deceived they cannot discern from these 3 verses that the “coming of our Lord” in v1 is different from the “day of Christ” in v2 like pre trib theory says? Hopefully the reader can discern that “that day” in v3 refers back to “the day of Christ” in v2. I don’t mean to sound derogatory, but an ENORMOUS leap is made by pre trib theory in saying that “the day of Christ” in v2 does NOT refer to “our gathering together unto Him” in v1. What is the justification for that?

    Here’s another approach: verse 3 plainly states that the day of Christ will not come until after the man of sin is revealed. Verse 2 tells the Thessalonians not to be concerned that the day of Christ neither was at hand, nor was it occurring, nor could it have already occurred. Now here is pre trib theory’s leap: the “coming of our Lord” in v1 all of a sudden has nothing to do with the day of Christ in v2, and, even worse, “our gathering together unto Him” in v1 has nothing to do with the following two verses! In fact, pre trib theory takes another enormous leap: 1 Thessalonians has nothing at all to do with 2 Thessalonians. Are you confused yet? I am!

    The backbone of pre trib theory is 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, a pair of verses so widely quoted I won’t waste space here. It is perfectly reasonable to suppose that 1 Thessalonians is one of the “letters from us” that Paul referred to in v2 here in the 2nd letter. One simply cannot say that being caught up in the clouds along with newly resurrected dead Christians and meeting the Lord in the air is not synonymous with “our gathering together unto Him.” If that really is true, Paul certainly made a horrible case for it, and maybe the council at Nicea should have thrown out these two epistles completely: they’re just too ambiguous. Of course that’s NOT the case; they are not ambiguous at all. Paul was a holy man of God, and wrote as he was moved by the Holy Spirit. Three simple verses, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3, discuss a single event that is NOT complicated: the return of Jesus. Pre trib theory makes things “grammatically unintelligible.” Instead of just accepting what is clearly, plainly, and perfectly written, and we have a whole slew of issues to try and reconcile with the rest of the bible:

    “But the church and Israel are separate; what about all the scripture that was not written to (or for) the church?”

    “But the church is not appointed to wrath.”

    “But in Revelation Jesus tells John to come and see the things which shall be hereafter, and ‘Come up hither…’ is a subtil reference to the rapture taking place.”

    “But to say the church will go through the tribulation is to refuse to acknowledge Jesus’ redemptive sacrifice at Calvary.”

    The worst one of all:

    “But I don’t want to go through the tribulation.”

    I don’t either. But we’re going to.

    My only question to everyone is this: what will you do if you’re expecting to be raptured, but you see the man of sin sitting in the temple?

    • Christopher

      And a case CANNOT be made that 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 was written “dispensationally.” Not trying to be difficult, just looking for the truth.

    • Matt

      You have to put these passages into the historical context. 2nd Thessalonians is a reply or correction by Paul to a forgery, a letter falsely claiming apostolic authorship, which circulated in Thessalonica at a time when believers began to experience intense persecution by the Romans (they even were forced to bow down before statues of Caesar). Because of this, many believers were upset and thought the “Day of the Lord” had already begun. So they were confused after what Paul taught them in 1. Thessalonians, especially with the Harpazo taking place prior to the Day of The Lord (if they were “post-Trib”, they wouldn’t have been upset…).
      So in v.2 of Chapter 2 the “letter” refers to that forgery. “The Day of Christ” refers to the “Day of The Lord” which they thought had already begun. This means that the two events in v.3 must occur before.

      • Christopher

        I am very familiar with this argument. Why do we have to put these three verses into some historical context? This isn’t some special, extraordinary thing going on here. This is really simple: What event, exactly, is Paul referring to when he says “our gathering together unto Him” in verse 1?

        • Matt

          Christopher, I think you link “that day” in v.3 with the “gathering together unto Him” in v.1 instead of with “the Day of the Lord” in v.2?

          • Christopher

            I most definitely do! If there was to be a rapture event totally separated from Jesus’ return to earth, 2 Thessalonians is worded horribly. We must ask ourselves why Paul would write a 2nd letter assuring the Thessalonians they had not missed the day of the Lord, as opposed to a letter assuring them they had not missed tbe rapture, which would mean they wouldn’t even be on earth to witness the revealing of the man of sin. If a pre trib rapture is fact, why not just “go the Jack Van Impe route” and tell the Thessalonians:

            “Don’t worry! You won’t be here!”

            I’m not saying Paul, and therefore God, wrote incorrectly. I’m saying that 2 Thessalonians states there will be no pre trib rapture.

          • Elaine Coker

            And if we put this into a historical perspective, what does it say about the future? 2 Thessalonians was written while the 2nd temple was still standing. So Paul would have been saying the man of sin would be seen standing in THAT temple. But it was destroyed in AD 70. So qe assume a 3rd temple must be built, with which I agree completely. I fear that pre trib theory will cause the same shaking of minds that the Thessalonians experienced, causing people to fear they missed the rapture.

          • Christopher

            This site is strange. My last reply was posted as being from Elaine Croker???

    • aka glory

      POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE IS RIDICULOUS AND NOT SCRIPTURAL. As Perry Stone puts it….you leave and would have to make an immediate UTURN and come back for the battle of ARMEDGEDON. You need to dig into the WORD Of God and read Revelations again and Daniel, etc. you have not read enough of the WORD. then watch all 4 videos of MARK BILTZ on you tube. called the FEASTS OF THE LORD-MARK BILTZ- PROPHECY FOR 2015 ALERT and you will learn quickly what is going to happen. WE are not appointed to the WRATH of God, that is for all those who DISOBEYED THE SALVATION PLAN IN THE BOOK OF ACTS WHERE ALL THE CHURCHES STARTED AND YOU LACK UNDERSTANDING IF YOU HAVE NOT OBEYED ACTS 2:37-38 AND ACTS 19:1-6. Irvin Baxter is falsely teaching the POST TRIB rapture and he got it from the Caballa/ Kabbala which is the book of black magic used by ancient Jews written 200 years after the bible. see:http://www.granddesignexposed.com/futurism.html We are going to be raptured by Rev. chap. 5. Read your WORD.

      • Tony

        I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.)

        If we are not going to precede the dead, how the dead will not come to life after the 1,000 years?

        • Jen

          The rest of the dead in verse 5 is referring to the unbelievers. Their bodies will not be resurrected until after the thousand year reign and then they will face the Great White Throne Judgement, then cast into the lake of fire. See Rev 20:11-15

        • carson

          a group of souls (rev 20:4). Say’s they died and tells how they died, and seen after armegeddon/physical return of Christ etc.

          another group of souls (rev 6:9) also say’s they died and how they died (general persecutions), seen in heaven during the seal judgements.

          a huge group of people (rev 7:9-17) ..not called souls, does say they were thirsty and hungry and the sun beat down on them/outdoors,
          ..also specifically say’s they came out of–the GREAT trib..sometime during the last 42 months but seen in heaven before the 7 vials.
          Seen in heaven after the seals are opened, but interestingly BEFORE the 7 vials, seen once again in rev 15:2, again shows they overcame the beast so they must have seen some portion of his reign in order to have overcome him, but unlike the rev 20 group these are not described as having been beheaded and not called souls and these are seen in heaven before those rev 20 believers are shown and before the 7 vials of wrath.

          the 7 seals 7 trumps 7 vials..which ones have the term wrath used with them? the 7 vials, rev 15:7 rev 16..

          so who is this huge group beyond number not described as souls and why are they shown in heaven before the 7 vials are brought out and how did they get there unless they died but why describe the other groups as souls and how they died etc but not do the same for this vast group but instead saying of them that they were thirsty and hungry and outdoors…wouldn’t the others of likely also been thirsty and hungry while they awaited the executioner..?
          AND specifically say of the rev 7 group-they came out of the GREAT tribulation..

          Great trib, matthew 24:15-21, when you see the abomination of desolation-THEN shall be GREAT tribulation, the GREAT trib is the last 42 months (rev 13:5 and elsewhere)..this rev 7 group came OUT of that time era, not before, but, before the very end, the 7 vials and armageddon.
          The vials termed wrath, we not appointed to wrath, both the white throne judgements and the 7 vials of wrath.

          just stuff to add to a study. Could also add the ‘he’ who restrains (of 2nd thess 2), Daniel 12:1, Michael stands up- and there shall be a time of trouble such as has never been..along with rev 12 and a few others the idea that Michael is given the position of ‘he’ who now restrains is not a new one.

          others say it’s the church but the church is never called a he.
          The only issue with the pre-wrath position is the 1st resurrection placement at the end, but if God doesn’t wish to call the catching up resurrection the 1st official resurrection like shown in rev 20 then He won’t, could it simply be called the catching up resurrection? who knows.
          But still the question of who and how this vast group in rev 7 got up into heaven before the 7 vials and before armageddon and seemingly didn’t die but instead suffered hardship while overcoming the beast needs answered.

          • Christopher

            Well said sir!

      • Suez

        aka glory,,, I used to listen to Perry Stone a few years ago. If I were you, I would walk softly there, and check out what he says with the word, instead of thinking he is such a wonderful teacher! You do know, he and his dad believe a spirit of a dead friend called his dad to preach, don’t you? Claiming the dead man’s spirit was sent by God…LOL The bible calls that Necromancy!!! God uses the HOLY Spirit, not the dead spirit of a man to do his calling. Also, keep a eye on whom Perry hangs with. Rod Parsley… False teacher. Sid Roth… a joke, believing and promoting every experience that comes down the pike. Birds of a feather flock together. Let alone he is friends with the false and corrupt TBN, and all of that bunch. I see you claiming a lot of claims put out by man. Maybe you should start reading the bible and praying for understanding for your own self, and stop listening to a man, any man…:( Just saying. I’m not siding with anyone here, just warning you, to let go of the false teachers. Perry Stone also goes and says a lot by Jewish Mystics! I’ve heard him say it, tons of times. Bragging to be with, and talking them when he is in Israel…So, please don’t accuse on man of something, when your letting another one get away with the same thing. https://youtu.be/avoCC9S_sfs

      • campy1@outlook.com

        your ignorance is astounding lol the kabbalah? lol the kabblah doesnt teach a rapture lol you have never even read the kabbalah so stop making stuff up off the top of your head this is what happens when you attend the upc for to long you end up only knowing three scriptures..acts 2:38 jesus name baptism and speaking in toungues becomes a record on repeat and you never grow any past it for years sometimes never…and as for you not being appointed to wrath because your oh so special and obeyed acts 2:38 why dont you tell that to peter paul..mark luke polycarp justin martyr..and all the rest of the apsotkles who were brutally murdered in jesus name…the tribulation is not gods wrath its satans ..its called persecution and you will go through it mark my words

  • Nikolaj

    Signs of the end times!

    • like to buy your books,, but did not show the cart, help me out here, thks

    • Suez

      So sad everyone is SELLING everything for a price, when Jesus said, FREELY give!!! RED FLAG!!! 🙁

  • Mike


    A bit of topic;

    What’s your take on the ‘prophecies’ of Dr. Patricia Green?


  • Marc

    Christopher says “To assume the “day of Christ” in v2 refers to anything other than “our gathering together unto Him” in v1 is preposterous.”

    I beg to differ completely and wholeheartedly. The Day of the Lord is most definitely not our gathering together to Him (Jesus). The bible always clearly cross-references itself for God is most definitely not confused.

    To quote one simple cross-reference (out of hundreds I could quote), see Amos 5:18 “Woe to you who long for the day of the LORD! Why do you long for the day of the LORD? That day will be darkness, not light”.

    See also Joel 2:1-2 “Blow the trumpet in Zion; sound the alarm on my holy hill. Let all who live in the land tremble, for the day of the LORD is coming. It is close at hand. 2 a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness…”

    If that sounds to you like our gathering together to Him, you have little discernment and hence your argument unravels pretty quickly after your first few paragraphs.

    See also Revelation 3:10 “Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth”. Jesus loves His faithful followers and WILL keep us from the hour of trial (Day of the Lord) that will come upon the whole world.

    Peace to all the brothers and sisters in Christ. Amen.

    • Christopher

      So you are saying 2 Thessalonians 2:1 is referring to two entirely different conceptual events?

      • Marc

        Paul is trying to reassure the Thessalonians that the Day of the Lord had not already come (as ‘others’ were trying to deceive them) – they were fearful that they may have missed “our being gathered to Him” which I believe (and Revelation 3:10 clearly teaches – see above) that bible believers (true-believers) will be kept from the hour of trial that is to come upon the whole world.

        See also Isaiah 26:20 “Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by” (NIV).

        PS: bible-believing Christians (who love God and believe totally in His Son ‘The Lord Jesus Christ’) are not destined for wrath. Other so-called Christians (deceivers, new-age church, all paths lead to God etc – those teaching ‘another’ Gospel) may well be destined for wrath – but that is between them and God himself.

        Love in Jesus Christ

        • Christopher

          I only have one question: what will you do if you are here on earth to witness the man of sin sitting in the temple?

          • Rebecca

            The book of Revelation says that the antichrist will kill many Christians. But, it does not say that all of us True Believers will be here or not.

            I’ve seen a lot of scripture interpretation for when the Rapture will occur, as the LORD says that we will know the season, but not the hour or the day. We must keep running our Father’s business until He comes!

            Here is my question True Believers, and I understand the heaviness we bare in this current time, and yet Christ endured the last of His days with much heavy prayer. Now, here we are, enduring the heaviness of our last days, asking the LORD to deliver us as we know what is coming is far worse.

            Q. How many more will be saved during the darkest hours of the world if we are still here versus us letting them be alone?

            Surely, we realize how much darker it will be once we are Raptured away and the Holy Spirit is also removed.

            We cannot possibly go through more than Christ did, ever. Keep your holy armor on and pray continuously to do your Soul Job duties, as you know in your heart is what we are still here for. Otherwise we would be gone up to the clouds by now.

            Also realize, all are sinners, even the redeemed are still sinners, and yet we are saved by grace. I was ‘saved’ by the love of Christ. So please, save with the love of Christ as you have been shown. Forgive them and serve them, as you have been shown. Adopt the attributes of our Loving Savior, who has loved us perfectly and with good measure in which we do not deserve. I charge you, endure your life with the love of Christ and the Holy Spirit within you. You already have your eternal promise waiting for you. Doesn’t everyone with light deserve the same promise? Ask the LORD to shine His light upon you and whomever you speak to, and cause their heart to soften to the good news of Jesus Christ our Savior!

        • Heather

          Amen Marc!

          • kiwiwatcher

            Greetings Rebecca. An attempt to answer your question

            True believers, (brothers and sisters) are raptured as showed in Revelation 4:4
            “And around about the throne were four and twenty seats: and up the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold”

            Revelation 5:9 referring to the same group
            “And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;”

            And they are numbered in Revelation 5:11
            “And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;”

            The tribulation upon earth begins with the opening of the seals
            Revelation 6:1-2
            “And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
            2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.”

            Then the later believers start appearing about the throne
            Revelation 6: 9-11
            “And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
            10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
            11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.”

            Available to those people in the tribulation is a sealed group with God’s message.
            Revelation 7: 3-8
            “Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
            4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
            5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
            6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
            7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
            8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.”

            The ministry from the sealed group of 144,000 (and the suffering) results in a greater number of later believers from the tribulation then in the raptured group, as described in Revelation 7: 9
            “After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;”
            Revelation 7: 14
            “And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”

            Revelation 2: 29
            “He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.”

            Whether both groups of believers are treated the same….could be of interest.

  • Christopher

    I definitely need to finish my book.

  • James

    I love reading your articles, but I must say I believe you wrong on an important point. I do not believe the Temple of Solomon was located on “the temple mount”! Please refer to the book “The Temples that Jerusalem Forgot”, by Ernest L Martin. He’s not that great a writer, but his many points should prove to any reasonable person that the True Temple was located approximately 600 feet south of the south wall of the “temple mount”. I believe this is one of the ‘truths sealed up’ until the proper time that the angel spoke of. The new Temple can begin construction at any time now, leaving the temple of satan standing on ‘the temple mount’.

  • Insightful article. In fact, this logic needs to apply to everything connected with the current state of Israel. This is not the nation that will rule in the Millenium; this is the state from where the Anti-Christ will rule out of the temple in Jerusalem. This current Israel may be, in fact, a “death-star” Israel.

  • chris

    Did not Jesus say that not one stone of the temple would remain on another?
    Is this the first non truth of the bible??

    The dome of the rock is NOT where the temple was built.


    • James

      Chris, exactly correct. I said this to my pastor in Feb 2001 when I first saw “the temple mount”! He laughed and then derided me! If you and others will read that book I mentioned, I believe your eyes will be opened, as mine were! God is Great! I also just finished another book that will open eyes(and scare the hell out of you)(sorry). The Islamic Antichrist. The seals are being unlocked.

      • Tony


        I would agree but at the end of verse 5 and verse 6 states, “This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

        This implies that it is talking about believers.

        • Rebecca

          Right, after we rapture, then we are no longer without Jesus Christ ever again. Therefore, we return with Him and the angels and the saints (which are also us) for the last thousand years. Everybody who has died or raptured – and went to heaven – will descend from the clouds with the LORD. Most people are going to ‘freak’ when they see Jesus and the angels and “all of us” coming down from the clouds! The few believers that are left are going to be SO glad! Then the devil and all of his faithful followers will be locked in the pit of hell for that thousand years. Since we will certainly be the majority on earth, the tide of holiness will surely prevail in the salvation of many.

          Also, during this time – nobody will die. It’s is GOD’s best way to show the world the True ultimate information for their eternal decision! Can you imagine ALL of us on earth with no buildings?! Not even the mountains will be recognizable. Can you imagine seeing your loved ones again who had passed on years ago, coming back to reunite their family?

          I believe that the LORD will provide us with the perfect atmosphere as in the days of Adam & Eve, directly before the forbidden fruit issue which began sin. Although, I’ve not seen a scripture to support that. It just makes sense to me that GOD would do that for the world, as it is His heart to fill heaven with His children. GOD loves family. This is why He has planned a huge family.

    • kiwiwatcher

      All very true Chris

      Matthew 24: 1-2
      “And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
      And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

      Mark 13:1-2
      “And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
      And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

      Luke 21:5-6
      “And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
      As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

      At the time these words were spoken Herod was expanding the Temple Mount and the expansion continued to about 65AD where retaining arches/walls were formed to extend the platform of the mount further outwards. In 70AD the Temple and associated buildings were totally destroyed just as Jesus prophesied, leaving a section of the retaining wall of the temple mount.

      You are correct with where the Temple was not.

      2 Chronicles 3:1
      “Then Solomon began to build the house of the LORD at Jerusalem in Mount Moriah, where the Lord appeared unto David his father, in the place that David had prepared in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite.”

      A threshing floor was an important asset in Bible times. It required a flat or slight depression in the ground to be most effective. Definitely not the pinnacle of a mount, nor a high rock out-crop where the dome of the rock is sited. The process was to remove the grain from the husk (or stalks) and separate the resulting grains from the tares. Oxen trod over the grain sheaves, sometimes pulling a sled. Afterwards, the material was thrown into the air so the unwanted chaff was blown away by the breeze, leaving the valuable grain to collect and store.
      It is easy to see this process as a type of judgement where separation occurs.
      Micah 4:11-12
      “Now also many nations are gathered against thee, that say, Let her be defiled, and let our eye look upon Zion.
      But they know not the thoughts of the LORD, neither understand they his counsel: for he shall gather them as the sheaves into the floor.”

      I digress – meanwhile, the only site that fits the description of a threshing floor is south of the dome of the rock where the natural topography on Mount Moriah (Temple Mount) originally in Solomon’s time was of a plateau.

      Furthermore, in the ‘Buildings of Herod’ – it states that Herod enlarged the Baris (a citadel or High Priest residence) commanding the Temple on the north in 19BC and renamed it Antonia. Obviously this structure overlooked the Temple. It was also connected to the Temple by a flight of stairs and housed a garrison of troops.

      Historian Josephus described Fort Antonia as being a tower forty cubits high and sited on a ROCK. In the Wars of the Jews Josephus again describes Antonia but this time states it being a fortress that was joined to the north part of the temple.

      Therefore, this account places the Temple as being directly from the Wailing/Western Wall onto the mount where the Al Kas Fountain is currently sited, and between the dome of the rock and the Al-Aqaua Mosque. Water for washing and priestly duties etc is also available at this site. However, the original site is many metres below the surface due to the Temple Mount extended and raised in height about sixty years after the Temple was demolished.

      • James

        I wish you would read Mr Martin’s book and then tell me(all of us) what you think. I believe you will truly be amazed!

        • kiwiwatcher

          Thanks James for the invitation to examine the works of Ernest L Martin but unfortunately I have very little time for the scribblings of man. Amazed not – saddened yes as I am aware of his theories.
          However, I will offer some thoughts that may be of assistance if I may.
          The best start is to test how Martin stacks up in the credibility stakes when tested with the inspired Word of God. Robert Cornuke’s theory on the original site of Solomon’s Temple can be included as both men sing from the same hymn book.
          These false teachers, Martin and Cornuke, wrongly state that the original site of Solomon’s Temple was on the Ophel mound on the southeast ridge of Mount Zion over the Gihon Spring, which is in the old city, sometimes called Old Jerusalem or City of David, over 300m away from the Temple Mount. In typical fashion, any evidence contrary to their beliefs is instantly discarded or misinterpreted. So please do be careful when dealing with these gentlemen. Best to leave them both alone as they are carved from the Dan Brown mould. “They weave thin threads of fantasy to create a strong mat in order to trip their prey up.” – a homemade proverb from the book of Kiwiwatcher
          Archaeological evidence from their proposed site over the Gihon Spring shows it contained a Jebusite fortified reservoir and a tower – both in use until the end of the first temple period – but no evidence of the Temple, no temple stones or relics.

          1 John 4:1
          “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”

          God’s Word says
          2 Samuel 24:16-21
          16“And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the Lord repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. And the angel of the Lord was by the threshingplace of Araunah the Jebusite.
          17 And David spake unto the Lord when he saw the angel that smote the people, and said, Lo, I have sinned, and I have done wickedly: but these sheep, what have they done? let thine hand, I pray thee, be against me, and against my father’s house.
          18 And Gad came that day to David, and said unto him, Go up, rear an altar unto theLord in the threshingfloor of Araunah the Jebusite.
          19 And David, according to the saying of Gad, went up as the Lord commanded.
          20 And Araunah looked, and saw the king and his servants coming on toward him: and Araunah went out, and bowed himself before the king on his face upon the ground.
          21 And Araunah said, Wherefore is my lord the king come to his servant? And David said, To buy the threshingfloor of thee, to build an altar unto the Lord, that the plague may be stayed from the people”

          It is apparent in verse 16 that the angel is not inside the city of Jerusalem as it is about to be destroyed but is standing by the threshing floor of Araunah which is adjacent to the city. The most obvious place for the angel to be standing is the peak of Mount Moriah which overlooked the City of David with the threshing floor a little lower. Gad says to David in verse 18 “ Go up, rear an altar unto the Lord in the threshingfloor of Araunah the Jebusite.”

          2 Chronicles 3:1
          “Then Solomon began to build the house of the LORD at Jerusalem in Mount Moriah, where the Lord appeared unto David his father, in the place that David had prepared in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite.”
          Martin and Cornuke state that the original site of Solomon’s Temple was on the Ophel mound on the southeast ridge of Mount Zion over the Gihon Spring.
          Please note Mount Moriah now under the Temple Mount platform and Mount Zion are two distinctive and separate locations. Who would you believe? God or a man with a theory.
          A threshing floor in early times was never located within a city but on the outskirts where specific conditions were required for it to be effective industry.

          After Solomon built the Temple he prepared a huge sacrifice.
          God’s Word says
          1 Kings 8:1-6
          “Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of the fathers of the children of Israel, unto king Solomon in Jerusalem, that they might bring up the ark of the covenant of the Lord out of the city of David, which is Zion. 2 And all the men of Israel assembled themselves unto king Solomon at the feast in the month Ethanim, which is the seventh month. 3 And all the elders of Israel came, and the priests took up the ark. 4 And they brought up the ark of the Lord, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and all the holy vessels that were in the tabernacle, even those did the priests and the Levites bring up. 5 And king Solomon, and all the congregation of Israel, that were assembled unto him, were with him before the ark, sacrificing sheep and oxen, that could not be told nor numbered for multitude. 6 And the priests brought in the ark of the covenant of the Lord unto his place, into the oracle of the house, to the most holy place, even under the wings of the cherubims. ”
          Note the Bible clearly states the ark of the covenant was taken “OUT OF THE CITY OF DAVID WHICH IS ZION” and taken to the newly constructed Temple which overlooked the City of David. The city was the former stronghold of Zion captured from the Jebusites and renamed.
          The false teachers also wrongly claim the Temple could only keep operating if supplied by their Gihon Spring theory. They claim there were no other springs in the area other than Gihon. Significant amounts of water were certainly required as God’s Word shows
          1 Kings 8:63
          “And Solomon offered a sacrifice of peace offerings, which he offered unto the Lord, two and twenty thousand oxen, and an hundred and twenty thousand sheep. So the king and all the children of Israel dedicated the house of the Lord.”

          The Jerusalem Talmud (Yoma’ 3 fol 41) says that in Solomon’s time a conduit ran from Atan to the Temple. This aqueduct bringing water from the pools of Bethlehem was rebuilt in later times by the Hasmoneans and lastly by Herod. The design of this earlier water feature also provided a fountain within the Temple and was available for washing the sacrificial area and for ritual bathing.

          Martin also makes the false claim that the Western Wall is a modern invention selected for Jewish worship after 1570AD. However, the writings of the Pilgrim of Bordeaux who visited the area in 363AD show “The Jews come there (the ruins of the temple) once a year, weeping and wailing near a stone which survived the destruction of the Temple.”

          Martin also does not explain the broken section of Trumpeting Stone – found in 1968 exactly where it fell after being thrown off the southwest corner of the Temple Mount in 70AD. Falling with numerous other building stones tossed off the Temple Mount – these weighty building blocks have been embedded into the cracked paving of the street below the Temple Mount for nearly 2000 years. An inscription on the stone says “For the place of trumpeting to…..” The remainder of the missing inscription possibly being “….to the temple” or “to herald the Sabbath”.

          It is simply ungodly to believe the word of man (Ernest L Martin) over the Word of God

          Romans 1.22
          “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools”

          Numerous other points could be made but God’s Word clearly shows that any discussion regarding the Temple site should only involve the Temple Mount.

  • As we look to the future we must never lose sight of the present. It is our responsibility to ensure our loved ones have accepted Jesus as their personal savior and that we remain as witnesses to our friends and people all around us. If we are saved our purpose should be to reflect the gospel of Jesus Christ in everything we do. It matters not what may come in the future if you have prepared yourself and family by having accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and savior. In order for me to be fully prepared for whatever the future brings, I must maintain my relationship to God fully knowing who he is and that he is in control.

  • Christopher

    Why does no one ever answer the question: “what will you do if you’re expecting to be raptured and you are here to witness the man of son sitting in the temple?”

    • Christopher

      Sorry; “man of sin”

    • Andrew A

      Your question is self answering. What do you do if you find yourself in that situation? You do what Jesus said about the situation. if you are in Jerusalem and the surrounding area flee to the mountains.

      That is a time were the last call is being made to premillnial mankind. You can stand with God or stand with the devil and all will be forced to make a choice.

      • Christopher

        That’s my whole point about all of this. Massive numbers of people think they will not be here to make the choice.

        • Andrew A

          Faith should not be built on if the church is snatched up or not. It is built on the belief of Jesus and what He did. If a person was believing for the sake of rapture they were never really a christian to begin with but putitng thier own interests before God. A true believer’s faith will be confirmed though the tribulation regardless of if they are in heaven or not. As it is a sign God has kept his word.

          That is the issue I have with a post or mid tribulationaist telling me beware if pretrib is wrong thousands are going to lose faith. If they lost faith because of the rapture not going to how expected they were never a believer in Christ to start with.

          • Christopher

            I don’t think that’s fair to say at all. What then shall we say about the church at Thessalonika? That they were all fake Christians? Jesus said that the deception would become so strong that if it were possible even the elect would be deceived. I can see it already. Associating the Rapture with anything other than Jesus’ literal return to Earth is dangerous doctrine.

          • Kimberly

            I agree with what Andrew said. And I find it interesting that pre-trig attackers “act” concerned about the state of the believer that will be expecting a rapture and disappointed with the tribulation. Faith *is* what helps us to persevere and to endure. Faith is a gift from God. Faith being Andrew’s response should have put you at ease if you were truly concerned about how someone will react if the end times should not unfold as they see it.

            Psalm 33:18 “Behold, the eye of the Lord is on those who fear Him, on those who hope in His mercy.”

            Using the Thessalonians is actually a really good example. They were terrified. But then encouraged. And being encouraged, they were then strengthened. Their fear did not paralyze them or cause them to go looney in some corner cowering in fearful torment. Their faith, their gift from God, carried them on. Was Peter a fake believer because he stumbled and fell during a trying time… no. Jesus restored him. And then later empowered all of the saints with His Spirit, which eventually empowered them to die horrible deaths for Christ (the death they feared and fled beforehand). It’s the Lord’s doing, not ours. For the true God-fearing believer, when temptation, trials, and persecutions come, it’s God’s doing and for His name’s sake that He see’s us through. It will never be about how strong we think we are. It will always be about the faithfulness of God. Our boast is in Him.

          • Andrew A

            Kimberly understands exactly what was said and explained it beautifully.

    • Lars

      You wont be raptured so don’t worry

  • Kelly

    Unrepentat Jews are the anti Christ.

  • Roy

    People who don’t believe in the Pretrib Rapture. Don’t believe Jesus Christ rose to Heaven, or Enoch or even Elijah.. Your all on shaky ground. You have to be believe or its blasphemy.

  • Ashley

    Geoffrey – Have you read “Temple: Amazing New Discoveries that Change Everything About the Location of Solomon’s Temple” by Robert Cornuke? What are your thoughts?

  • truth seeker

    There are no seven years of tribulation anywhere in the Bible…Yeshua completed the first half of the 70th week before being “cut” off at the cross (Daniel 9;24-27). The two Jewish witnesses will complete the second half of the 70th week determine uoon the Jews sometime in the 21st Century (Revelation 11:3-12)…The big question is when the Jews will be able to build their temple in the northern part of the Temple Mount (Ezekiel 42:20)… That could happen as soon as the War of Psalm 83 is concluded and the Roman Prince of Danial 9:26-27 can broker the peace terms favorable to the Jews (Daniel 9:27)…The solar eclipses on Jewish holidays celebrating temple worship this year may indicate 2015 and the 70th anniversary in 2918 may indicate that year… Pray for the peace in Jerusalem.

    • kiwiwatcher


      truth seeker – you may be meaning 2018 rather than 2918 as the 70th anniversary of the state of modern Israel.
      (I believe your eyesight could be playing tricks)

      Nevertheless, I understand that sound doctrine supported by the scriptures is available back to the Home page in the Rapture Series.

      God bless you all

      • truth seeker

        Are you making fun of my poor eyesight? If I type the word or 2018 wrong the first time I can’t see good enough to make the corrections. I can’t get any closer to the screen than three inches.

        • kiwiwatcher

          As I am too well aware, poor eyesight is nothing to make fun of

    • Andrew A

      You are wrong on this. 62 weeks plus 7 is 69 weeks then their is the cut off of the Savor. It then says A flood and destruction of the temple then prescribed desolation are decreed by God to fall on his people. After that a treaty is made for one week which is broken half way through. At the end Jesus returns and Israel who has been purified and made ready for its savor due to the Trial and tribulation of that last week accepts him.

      If you read it the way you are trying to then the Anti Christ must already have shown himself brought peace for Israel and their be sacrifices right now in the temple so that they can be stop. Last I checked their is no temple and peace has not been promised yet.

  • Kimberly

    My two cents on the rapture:

    (And before I give my measley two-cents.. I think it’s rather bold and foolish to judge a believers position with the Lord based on their view of when the rapture takes place… Prophecy is intended for us to expect something and to understand what is happening *as* it happens. All of the prophecies concerning Jesus’ first coming almost went completely unnoticed… even to the point where Jesus said plainly, three times, to His disciples that He was about to die. They were sad but they weren’t connecting the dots. After His death, they were filled with sorrow and hid! Not once did Jesus rebuke them for believing or expecting wrong. They were corrected, but they weren’t rejected by Christ afterwards or proclaimed a false believer. Our understanding of the end times is not what saves us or makes us a follower of Christ. Do we fear Him? Do we obey His Word? Do we love Him and His ways more than our ways and the ways of the world? Do we love our brother and do we love our enemy? If our answer is “yes” to those questions… then nothing will cause us to stumble. And that is fact! God’s very Word has told us so.)

    My two cents: In Revelation 6 .. the men of the world see and acknowledge that the wrath of the Lamb has come, and they cry out “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who *sits on the throne* and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come, and *who is able to stand*?” Who is able to stand? Jesus anticipated and answered that question for us in Luke 21:36 “Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to *escape ALL these things* that will come to pass, and …. *to stand before the Son of Man.” Who is able to stand? Those who were watching, praying, and counted worthy, those who escaped! The Bible says that judgment begins in the house of God. Perhaps the men of the world in Revelation 6 are recognizing Christ on His throne… the Bema seat, giving to each believer according to their works… while those men of the world are facing the time of trial that will come upon those who dwell on the earth. ?? I looked up in Strong’s concordance the term “to stand”. Both Luke 21 and Revelation 6 share the same term number and possible definition… “to stand” is a posture or position you have when being judged before a court or judge. I find that pretty interesting. 🙂

    • Andrew A

      Yes that part in revaluation is very interesting especially when you look at the word stand as well as the reference in Luke.

      Once again you make a very good and often overlooked points.

      • Tracy

        Amen! Explained well!!
        If Jesus Christ is in us, we will endure, regardless of what is ahead. Some post-trib people try so hard to make us see something that isn’t even there. Fear is not from God. If we are truly saved by grace thru faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, we won’t give up at the end?? Why would we fall away? Makes no sense to me!! Doesn’t the Bible say that God knows His own? We are supposed to TRUST HIM in all things, and He will see us thru. Our ways are not His ways. A Christian draws from his faith in Christ; it’s just there, and always will be.
        We can’t possibly know how everything is going to take place in the future, but regardless, Christians will remain faithful, strong and looking to Him in all things until the end. Add to this the fact that most post-tribbers think that we have got to PROVE something to God. Why would we need to prove anything during the tribulation, He already knows our heart, so who are we PROVING to. Jesus did it for us, all of us, not the other way around.
        I will keep looking up for Him.

  • LARS

    Revelation chapter 11 also talks about the third temple being taken over by the Gentiles as they take over the city for 42 months. the Muslims is going to take over this temple…. the Antichrist will be islamic

    • Dr Bob Chapman Ph.D, D.Min, MA, BA

      Hi Lars,

      I made no mention of the tabernacle. I referred to the temple built by the Samaritans 300 BC and destroyed in 128BC.


      • Lars

        Thats Not Biblical though. the bible only mentions three temples. and the third one is yet to come

  • truth seeker

    For your information, thousands of Israelis have already accepted Yeshua as their Messiah but they will not associate with you anti-Semitic Protestants (85% of the churches)…They will meet in homes but never in your spiritually-dead churches…Remember- salvation is a relationship not a dead religion.

    • Andrew A

      If this is in response to me? I never said thousands hadn’t found Yeshua the apostles were Jews the first members of the church were Jews but through Christ became the Body of Christ or the Church. Also it is not my anti-Semitic Protestant Churches I am a follower in Christ not a follower in Protestants I would wish you to not Judge me with guilt by association.

      If they believe in Yeshua as their Messiah then I consider them brothers and Sisters in Christ as I do all who come to be believers in the Word who became flesh.

      My point was 70 weeks is Literally said by Gabriel to Daniel to be:

      Daniel ch 9 verse 24
      24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

      What verse 24 is literally saying is the 70 weeks is the determined upon time God has declared for bringing Israel Forgiveness as a people and nation as well by extension the world. Paul says in Romans God has turned away for now from Israel to the Gentiles to bring the fullness of them into the Church and when God has finished this he will look back to what he has declared to Israel. Then we will see the finish of the 70 weeks. We currently have one week left.

      I never said their were not saved in Israel I said that the tribes of Israel as a whole will not accept Yeshua until after the 70 weeks. For then this statement written by Zechariah will be fulfilled at Yeshua’s 2nd coming.

      Zechariah Chapter 12 verse 10-14
      10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

      11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

      12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;

      13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;

      14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.

  • GetBiblical,
    A pre-Trib Rapture is what the “Left Behind” series is all about, and a number of mainstream preachers, Jack Van Impe for one, push it as the only alternative. I agree that there is nothing in scripture to actually support it. What does seem logical to me is that as long as the Holy Spirit is present on the earth, it is the Advocate for all Believers. If the Holy Spirit were taken off the earth, there could, theoretically, be a ‘rapture of the Church’, and then the rest of the world would be left with only the spirit of anti-Christ.

    But one way or another, to ‘plan’ on a pre-Trib Rapture seems utter foolishness, as none of us know what the future holds, only Gd alone…

  • Christopher

    I just want people to be ready. That’s all.

  • marilyn harrell

    Hi Grider….the topic of your post has gone wayyyy off topic and also debating PreTrib Rapture. It is true that parts of the “3rd” Temple have been pre-fabbed already but it is unclear whether cconstruction is before or after Rapture? At midTrib..the AC will turn on Israel with a vengeance and stop animal sacrifice and declare himself to be God..it is then the Jews will flee to the mountains!! If I am not mistaken, there is considerable belief that the 2nd Temple was in City of David, making the Dome of the Rock inconsequential. Grider, you also stated after the Rapture the Grace Age ends and The Law resumes…”faith plus works” resumes..I will research this on my own. FOR THOSE WHO IGNORE THE PRETRIB RAPTURE THEORY..YOU WILL BE PLEASANTLY SURPISED BUT YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE THE “WATCHERS CROWN”..MARANATHA

  • James

    I have seen many of you say the Temple was located on what is called ‘the temple mount’ where the dome of the rock now sits. Do you have any proof of this other than ‘that’s where everybody says it was’? I’m not selling books. I am just a man getting older, who loves topics of ancient Israel and the Bible. Two years ago I ‘stumbled’ on a book written by a man who did archeology in Israel beginning in the 1970’s and apparently had ideas like me that just didn’t fit that narrative. He was way ahead of me! Have you ever wondered about Jesus saying ‘not one stone will stand on another’? When I saw ‘the mount’ in 2001 my overriding thought was this line. It didn’t fit! I also wondered how God could allow the most unholy of buildings to be put on His Most Holy site! It didn’t fit! What about water? Those Jews killed a lot of animals back then! 🙂 Where did the huge amount of water come from to wash the blood away? Only cisterns on ‘the mount’. Doesn’t rain much. I saw where ‘Fort Antonia” was “supposed” to have been on the NW corner of ‘the’ mount’. No way that small space would hold even a few hundred Roman soldiers! The Tenth Legion was many thousands!
    Get your hands on a book titled “The Temples That Jerusalem Forgot, by Ernest L Martin. The book titled Temple by Robert Cornuke is good, but he doesn’t go into detail on the many proofs of the Martin book.

    • Dan

      I ‘stumbled’ on a book written by a man who did archaeology in Israel beginning in the 1970’s and apparently had ideas like me that just didn’t fit that narrative.
      James does any of your ideas tell you that Christ may not be who he said he was ?If your answer is no. Then what’s the point ?
      Men are not infallible (really)

  • Lars

  • Lars


    The Mahdi will take over this temple

  • Dr Bob Chapman Ph.D, D.Min, MA, BA


    The first temple glorified God. The second temple glorified Herod who built. The third temple glorified the Samaritans. If another temple every was erected in Jerusalem it would glorify the illuministic sons of Satan.


    • Andrew A

      You do know that the second temple was not built be Herod originally right? It was built by the exiled Israelites or for better words exiles of the Kingdom of Judea and renovated and redone by Herod several centuries later so it could not of been built to glorify a man who wasn’t even born yet.

      Your third temple is the 2nd Samaritan temple at Mt. Gerizim built around 135 ad. You shouldn’t include the Samaritan temples when talking about the Temple at Jerusalem for the fact they were not commissioned by God nor were they built in Jerusalem thus they have no baring on what Daniel or Jesus was talking about concerning the 2nd coming as it is centered around a temple at Jerusalem.

    • Lars

      do you have scriptures to back that up

      • Dr Bob Chapman Ph.D, D.Min, MA, BA

        You will find all the references you want to these temples in a study of Biblical history from the Babylon destruction of the first temple in Jerusalem up until the destruction of Herod’s restored temple in AD 70 by the Romans. I would recommend a simple read, but a good one in People of the New Testament World by William A Simmons.


  • truth seeker

    Andrew A, I never even read your posting until now…As for the 70 weeks of Daniel 9:24-27 these are the 490 years determined onto the Jews, not you Gentiles (Daniel 9:24)…The Jewish Messiah Yeshua completed the first half of the 70th week before being “cut” off at the cross (Daniel 9:26) and the two Jewish witnesses (Malachi 4:5-6) will complete the second half of the 70th week in the 21st Century (Revelation 11:3-12)…With the exception of nine books written for you Gentiles, the Bible was written for, by and about the Jews. Salvation can be obtained only by being grafted into the Jewish Olive tree and not through your Protestant rituals and works (Romans 11:17)… The Jews are the chosen people, not you Protestants…Israel is the Promise Land, not wicked America. And the 144,000 are the sons of Jews, not Gentiles of both genders.

    • Andrew A

      I apologize in how the tone of my response might of seemed.

      Let me say some points we agree on:

      Daniel is talking to Jews and about the Jewish people in the 70 weeks that is his focus.

      144,000 is Jews not Gentiles I personally think that it is obvious because it is listing specific tribes.

      The books in the bible for the most part are written for Jews. However The Bible as a whole is to show God’s plan from mankind’s creation to the great White Throne judgment. That includes Jews, Gentiles and the Church.

      Yes Gentiles are grafted into the olive tree of salvation promised originally to the Jewish people. I remind you However that God promised Abraham that through his line that mankind would have salvation. Not just his children but all of mankind. It was always Gods plan to include Gentiles just as it is always his plan to bring the Jewish people back to him one day.

      The promise Land is and always was Israel not just its current border but its full borders that were promised to Abraham and have yet to of been fulfilled.

      What we disagree with:
      I am not a Protestant please stop with that guilt by association. I am a follower of the Christ not born a Jew but by the Grace of God being transformed in spirit. I am also not a Jew but I am saved in Yeshua the Christ.

      70th week has not started. This is made clear as the start is told by Gabriel to Daniel to be when a peace is made with the Jewish people for one week. The end of the 69th week was when the Messiah was cut off.

      In closing:
      Your attitude comes off as very much like you feel this is You vs Me. I follow the Word which became Flesh. If you call on his name as well then we have the same Master.

      It should not mater to you if a follower in the Messiah is a Jew or a Gentile for both by the grace of God are saved in Yeshua’s sacrifice and resurrection.

      Now if you see were I am wrong about Daniel’s 70 weeks please show me how the Messiah is supposed to be cut off halfway though the 70th week and not the end of the 69th.

  • kiwiwatcher


    Everyone this is the site the atheist troll (Jason) belongs to

    Look how sad it is. We should post links with pictures of Jesus Saves

    • Kiwiwatcher

      Excuse me!!!
      I never posted regarding Jason……in fact I am looking for my post

  • Indeed, the Jews will rebuild the Third Temple that satan shall eventually inhabit. But the Messiah ben David will come to the Mount of Olives and build the 4th Temple, and Yeshua HaMoshiach shall reign as our king forever! HalleluYAH!

  • truth seeker

    There are three facts that we do know about the 21st Century temple. (1.) there will be a separation between the sanctuary and the “profane” place (Ezekiel 42:20 and Revelation 11:2). (2.) there will be “sacrifice and oblation” done in this temple until the middle of the seven year covenant of Daniel 9:27. And (3.) the Abomination of Desolation will be commited in this temple, starting forty-two months of Great Tribulation )Daniel 9:27)…Whether the temple will be built on the Temple Mount, we don’t know. There are experts who think that it will be located a quarter mile south, inside Iraeli terrority.

  • Dan

    Can you give us a link TS? I for one would like to understand their reasoning.

    There are experts who think that it will be located a quarter mile south, inside Israeli territory.


  • Lars

    You guys should be spreading the Gospel message about christ instead of arguing over the third temple.

    the rapture will happen before the Antichrist even comes on the scene

  • For believers in Christ, the only true temple that is important to God, & of any importance is the One that God dwells in. Thus, your article is well stated and correct- it will be the temple for the Antichrist. If the Jews are seeking for a Messiah apart from Jesus Christ, Satan will be obliged them with a false messiah, which Jesus prophesied to come.

    Jesus said to the Jews ‘I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive’ Jn5:43.

    Regarding the true Temple of God, the apostle Paul wrote ‘Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are’ 1Co3:16,17.

    Also 1Co 6:19 ‘What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?’ and 2Co 6:16 ‘And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people’.

    So we see here that the only true temple is the Temple of the God that we are through the baptism with the Holy Ghose which Jesus said He will send. Jesus said ‘For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence’ Ac1:5. We are indeed the Temple of the Holy Ghost, and God dwells in us, not in buildings may with hands!!!



  • Barack Obama’s birthday falls on 4th Aug 1961 The 2nd Temple of Solomon was destroyed 4th Aug 70ad

    If you divide Obama’s decimal / Satanic numerical value 793 by 13 you will get the number 61.

    61 = The 18th prime number (18 = 6+6+6).

    61st Triangular number = 1891

    August 4th 70 AD was the exact date when King Solomon’s 2nd temple was destroyed.

    This is exactly 1891 years to the date between 4th August 70 AD and 4th August 1961. (70 + 1891 = 1961)

    4th August = 216th date of year and 216 = 6x6x6


    • truth seeker

      Frank, everything about Obama is a lie…We really don’t know where or when he was born (He won’t let us see his real records)…We know that he wasn’t born in Hawaii (no hospital records for him or his mother) but he might have been born in Kenya (three live witnesses)…We know that he was adopted by Mr. Soetoro and made an Indonesian citizen…So this numerical connection is nonsense.

  • The Pre tribulation Rapture doctrine is a dirty lie of the Devil, just like OSAS. It will never happen. Jesus returns ONCE to judge the living and the Dead.

  • Bob

    Through the Tribulation With Christ

    The idea that the righteous will all be raptured out of the world just before the time of trouble and that only the wicked will be left behind to endure seven years of tribulation can be very appealing. Perhaps that is why this doctrine has gained such widespread acceptance. But the Bible clearly teaches otherwise.

    The phrase “seven years of tribulation” does not appear anywhere in Scripture. However, Jesus did say that a terrible time of trouble would come upon the world just before His return and that it would be more intense than any other in the history of this world. In His great prophetic discourse on the Mount of Olives, Jesus made the following statement: “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened” (Matthew 24:21, 22).

    If the elect were not in the world during the great tribulation, they would not need the days to be shortened!

    All throughout Scripture we see examples of the Lord saving His people through tribulation, not from it.

    Noah was not saved from the Flood, but through it.
    Daniel was not saved from the lions’ den, but through it.
    Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were not were not saved from the fiery furnace, but through it. In fact, Jesus went through it with them, and He will go through the great tribulation with us, as well!
    The children of Israel were not saved from Egypt before the plagues fell, but afterward. God demonstrated His love and power by preserving them in Egypt through the 10 plagues. In the same way, the righteous will be in the world when the seven last plagues fall (Revelation 16), but God will preserve them.

    God never promises that our lives will always be easy. Christ prayed to His Father for His disciples, “I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil [one].” (John 17:15) Likewise, in 2 Timothy 3:12 Paul declares, “All that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.” Paul also told a group of disciples that “we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.” (Acts 14:22).

    In His parable of the two home builders, Jesus taught that the storm comes to the wise man who builds on the rock just as surely as it comes to the fool who builds upon the sand (Matthew 7:24-27). The storm comes to all.

    The good news is that God’s children will survive the coming tribulation. They will endure by practicing some of the same survival skills used by the Great Basin bristlecone pine. Believed to be one of the oldest living trees on the planet, it can live more than 4,000 years. Found on lonely mountaintops, some of these ancient evergreens have weathered thousands of years of intense freezing wind, pounding rain, scorching sun, and violent electrical storms.

    How do they manage to survive such harsh, adverse conditions? They send their roots deep, wrap them tenaciously around a solid rock, and hang on.

    In the same way, the saints will have to sink their roots of faith deep into the Word of God and cling tenaciously to the mighty Rock of Ages. Remember that even though God does not always provide an escape from tribulation, He does promise to give us the power and strength to get through it. “I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me” (Philippians 4:13).

    • suez

      @Bob. Amen brother Bob, and beautifully put. Now we pray that some may have eyes to see, and ears to hear.

    • AndrewA

      Their is a minor thing you need to account for as your statement is flawed. While people were preserved through trials and tribulations their were also people removed from trials and tribulations.

      Lot was removed from Sodom and Gomorrah, Enoch from the earth before it was flooded, Daniel was also surprisingly absent from the statue incident in that unlike his 3 friends being their he was not accused and thrown into the furnace, for whatever reason he was removed from the trial. While Their are examples of God preserving, you can not overlook the fact their are also examples of God removing from as well.

      Also scripture does promise at least once to followers that he will preserve from tribulation to come for people who overcome. While you could argue over what tribulation Jesus was referencing on if it has happened or not happened it demonstrates a desire and ability to in fact remove a group of people from a trial and not just preserve during.

      So you can not honestly say that it is outside of what God has done, said or is recorded in scripture to doing. You can only argue you disagree with the idea he is going to do it during the Great Tribulation.

      You can not honestly claim the Bible teaches otherwise none of your points countered the idea. You only demonstrated God has the power to preserve through a trial. This does not exclude the idea that God can remove people from a trial as well.

      On a side point: While 7 year tribulation is not stated that way word for word in scripture. Jesus referenced his 2nd coming with Daniels Abomination of Desolation mentioned in the 70 weeks prophecy. That happens in the final week or final 7 years(specifically at the half way point 3 1\2 years in). Thus we get the idea of the 7 year tribulation. As it is referencing that last prophetic week were a day represents a year. So to say it is not biblical is a mischaracteriztion of the concept.

  • truth seeker

    Frank, who are the “armies” which “were” in heaven and now following Yeshua to earth riding white horses, “clothed in fine linen, white and clean” 9revelation 19:14)?…These people must be the same “righteous” that were “taken” from earth forty-two months earlier before the “evil” to come (Isaiah 57:1)…The next verse, Revelation 19:15, Yeshua is now smiting the nations with just the word of his mouth (Revelation 19:15).

  • truth seeker

    Frank, the Bible also says that the “Mystery of God” (Rapture) should happen at the the last trump (1 Corinthians 15:51-54(…When will the last trump “begin” to sound? Just before the 42 months of Great Tribulation begins and while the saints are still on earth (Revelation 10:7)…What happens after the last trump “sounds” (Revelation 11:15)? We are now in the forty-two months of Great Tribulation and the saints are now safely up in heaven receing their rewards (Revelation 11:18).

  • truth seeker

    This may be off the wall but I think that the glory of the Lord will actually reside in the Third Temple (Ezekiel 43:5)…If the temple of Ezekiel 42 to 48 is not the Third Temple, then how come (1.) sacrifice and oblation is still being practiced (Ezekiel 42-48 and Daniel 9:27)? (2.) if the Prince is Jesus, then how come he has sons (Ezekiel 46:16)? And (3.) how come the Moslem Mosque is still being tolerated and separated by a wall (Ezekiel 42:20)?…I think that you guys have better rethink the Third Temple.


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