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Pope Francis Tells Interviewer That Jesus Christ Was Born As ‘Exceptional Man’ But He Was ‘Not At All A God’ As Vatican Doesn’t Deny Or Demand Correction Of Account

In the latest edition of La Repubblica, Pope Francis tells interviewer, Eugenio Scalfari that Jesus of Nazareth was not God while incarnate as a man.

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In the latest edition of La Repubblica, Pope Francis’ longtime atheist friend and interviewer, Eugenio Scalfari, claims that the Pope told him that once Jesus Christ became incarnate, he was a man, a “man of exceptional virtues” but “not at all a God.”
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Pope Francis told me: ‘They are the proven proof that Jesus of Nazareth, once having become a man, was, though a man of exceptional virtues, not at all a God.'”

The most amazing thing about this story is that neither Pope Francis nor the Vatican had denied the pope made these statements, and neither have they asked La Repubblica to correct the account or retract the statements in full. So that leads me to believe that Pope Francis did indeed make them, and that this shocking accounting is indeed true and accurate. Don’t forget that Eugenio Scalfari and Pope Francis are longtime friends. Scarfari would not misrepresent his dear friend, and the pope feels comfortable enough around him because of that friendship to let his guard down.

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)

But Pope Francis has a long and proven track record of denying Jesus Christ, and making statements like it is ‘dangerous to have a personal relationship with Jesus‘. Last year with the same interviewer Scalfari and also in La Repubblica, Pope Francis said that ‘Hell is not real‘ and never denied saying that, either, and the Vatican never asked for a correction or retraction. So maybe we should ask ourselves why Pope Francis is continuing to make these outrageous statements.

“For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.” Isaiah 14:13,14 (KJV)

If you have been following our reporting on the Catholic Church and Chrislam, then you already know why the pope makes these types of statements. Because as he continues to assemble the One World Religion, he thinks of himself as a god, not unlike the passages we read in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 about Lucifer. Now you know, tell a friend.

Eugenio Scalfari: Pope Francis Told Me That Jesus Incarnate Was a ‘Man … Not at All a God’

FROM CNS NEWS: In the latest edition of La Repubblica, Pope Francis’ longtime atheist friend and interviewer, Eugenio Scalfari, claims that the Pope told him that once Jesus Christ became incarnate, he was a man, a “man of exceptional virtues” but “not at all a God.”

The teaching of the Catholic Church and most Christian churches is that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was incarnated as fully man and fully God.

As the Catechism of the Catholic Church states, “The unique and altogether singular event of the Incarnation of the Son of God does not mean that Jesus Christ is part God and part man, nor does it imply that he is the result of a confused mixture of the divine and the human. He became truly man while remaining truly God. Jesus Christ is true God and true man. During the first centuries, the Church had to defend and clarify this truth of faith against the heresies that falsified it. (464)”

According to the highly respected Catholic blog, Rorate Caeli, and Radio Spada in Italy, Scalfari states in the Oct. 9 edition of La Repubblica (behind paywall) the following: “Those who, as it has happened many times with me, have had the luck of meeting him and speaking to him with the greatest cultural intimacy, know that Pope Francis conceives Christ as Jesus of Nazareth, man, not God incarnate.”

“Once incarnate, Jesus stops being a God and becomes a man until his death on the cross.”

Scalfari continues, “When I had the chance of discussing these sentences, Pope Francis told me: ‘They are the proven proof that Jesus of Nazareth, once having become a man, was, though a man of exceptional virtues, not at all a God.'”

In a March 2018 interview with Scalfari, Pope Francis reportedly said, “There is no Hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls.”

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That interview caused an uproar and the Vatican claimed that what the Pope reportedly said was a “reconstruction” and not “quoted.” The Vatican did not deny what Scalfari reported but said it could not “be considered as a faithful transcription of the words of the Holy Father.”

The Pope himself never denied what Scalfari reported and the article never ran a correction or removed the article from its website.

Commenting on this latest revelation, Rorate Caeli said, “Now, obviously, as it has often happened with Francis’ informal interviews with Eugenio Scalfari, some will try to deny the veracity of what Scalfari, a seasoned journalist, affirms.

“Let us just recall, for the record of events, that there is no reason to doubt its general accuracy. We are way past the time of doubting the general accuracy of the Scalfari quotes.

“Not now, that the papal interviews to Scalfari have been published on the Vatican website, that they have been occasionally published by the Vatican publishing house (LEV) itself – for instance, as part of the book to the right.”

In a statement issued Oct. 9, reported by Church Militant in Rome,  the Vatican said, “As has been affirmed in other occasions, the words that Dr. Eugenio Scalfari attributes between quotes to the Holy Father during his colloquies held with him cannot be considered as a faithful account of what was effectively said, but represent more a personal and free interpretation of that which he heard, as appears entirely evident from what was written today concerning the divinity of Jesus Christ.”

Church Militant’s Michael Voris commented, “That is the relevant part of the statement, and it, in itself, is now creating its own firestorm because it does not actually deny Scalfari’s characterization, merely hinting at the possibility.”

“Likewise, it does not affirm in any fashion that Pope Francis does indeed hold the divinity of Christ during Our Savior’s earthly ministry,” said Voris. READ MORE

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The Sad Truth About World War Trump Is The US Hasn’t Won, Iran Retains The Enriched Uranium, And The Tyrannical Regime Remains Firmly In Place

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World War Trump In Iran Has Not Delivered Victory As The Enriched Uranium Remains Unsecured, The Nuclear Threat Survives, And The Regime Still Stands

The sad truth about Trump’s war with Iran is this: America has not won in any final sense, the enriched uranium is still not secured, and the regime remains firmly in place. Strip away the press conferences, the slogans, and the chest-thumping, and that is where things stand. Until those three facts change, calling this a victory is not reality. It’s blatant and overt gaslighting propaganda. President Trump has failed in the war which he, Pete Hegseth and Jared Kushner started, and history will not be kind to the outcome.

“Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.” Luke 14:31,32 (KJB)

For all the talk of strength, dominance, and victory, the central problems remain exactly where they were before the shooting started. Iran’s enriched uranium has not been fully secured, the mullahs are still sitting in power, and the regime that has spent decades chanting “Death to America” is still firmly in place. That is not victory. That is not peace through strength. That is a very expensive, very dangerous standoff dressed up as success. The hard reality is that even now, the nuclear issue remains unresolved. The head of the International Atomic Energy Agency said this week that any deal would require extremely detailed verification, and reported that Iran still possesses roughly 440.9 kilograms of uranium enriched to 60% purity, alarmingly close to weapons-grade. He also warned that inspectors have been denied access to key sites. In plain English, that means the world still does not have full control over the most dangerous part of Iran’s nuclear program. And that is what makes all the victory laps ring hollow.

If the uranium is still not secured, then the mission is incomplete. If the regime still stands, then the threat structure still stands. If negotiations are still bogged down because Tehran refuses core U.S. demands on enrichment and broader war aims, then whatever was won on the battlefield has not been translated into strategic victory at the table. The latest talks ended without an agreement, with U.S. negotiators saying Iran would not commit to halting its nuclear weapons development.

This is the part the media class rarely wants to say out loud: bombing a problem is not the same thing as solving it. You can strike facilities, you can damage infrastructure, you can issue ultimatums, and you can flood television screens with martial language, but if the regime survives, retains leverage, and keeps the most critical elements of its nuclear program beyond secure international control, then the deeper problem remains alive.

This is the scoreboard that matters, and from that perspective, Iran is doing quite well.

Iran understands this better than Washington does. The regime does not need to “win” in the conventional American sense. It only needs to endure. It only needs to outlast the pressure, preserve its core power structure, and keep enough of its strategic assets intact to bargain from a position of survival. Right now, that appears to be exactly what has happened. The mullahs are bruised, but they are not gone. Their system is battered, but it is not broken. Their nuclear file is contested, but not closed. That is why the spin coming from both political camps is so dangerous. One side wants to sell this as a show of overwhelming American resolve. The other side wants to reduce it to just another policy dispute. But this is bigger than that. The Middle East is once again proving that military action without decisive end-state control produces exactly the kind of instability that keeps the fire burning. And when the fire is in Iran, around the Strait of Hormuz, with nuclear material still in play, the whole world feels the heat.

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THE PROPHECY NEWS PODCAST: Today We Ask Why Does Trump-Era America Look So Much Like The Mystery Babylon Woman From The Book Of Revelation?

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Does Trump’s America Mirror Mystery Babylon? How Gold, Global Influence, False Religion, And National Pride Now Stands In The Light Of Revelation

There is something about Donald Trump that makes the Babylon question almost impossible to ignore. He is not just a politician, not just a brand, and not just a former and present symbol of American power. He is a walking monument to gilded excess, worldly glory, national boasting, and religiously tinted political theater. Gold on the walls, gold in the branding, gold in the imagination, a golden goat in Mar-a-Lago, golden statues, gold as the visual language of success, dominion, and majesty. Add to that the constant appeal to God-language, destiny-language, providence-language, and a form of civil religion that wraps political ambition in sacred vocabulary, and you suddenly find yourself staring at something that looks disturbingly familiar to any Bible believer who has spent any amount of time in Revelation.

“And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.” Revelation 17:18 (KJB)

On this episode of the Prophecy News Podcast, Babylon in the book of Revelation is a description of a system that generates corruption, exports corruption, multiplies corruption, and mothers corruption. If someone wanted to argue that America under Trump looks like Mystery Babylon, this would be the heart of it: not merely that America is rich, but that it is seductive; not merely that it is powerful, but that it is spiritually adulterous; not merely that it influences nations, but that it teaches nations how to rebel in style. Think about it. What has America exported more successfully than appetite? Appetite for luxury, appetite for image, appetite for entertainment, appetite for self-definition, appetite for wealth, appetite for power without righteousness, and liberty without truth. That is why Lady Liberty can be read, not perhaps as the literal woman of Revelation 17, but as a chilling type picture of her spirit. A giant woman facing the nations, torch in hand, promising liberty while the nation beneath her exports debt, immorality, bloodshed, seduction, and confusion. That’ll preach because the contrast is quite real. The world is invited in under the banner of freedom, only to be catechized in fornication. Think about this. Donald Trump appointed Paula White as the head of the White House Faith Office, as well as being his ‘spiritual advisor’, and she for all intents and purposes is a witch. Today we take a wild ride into the dark side of the Trump White House, and show you the spirit of devils that live there.

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One Mother’s Cry For Her Two Sons At Mid-State Correctional Facility Has Opened The Door For Many More Inmates To Receive King James Bibles

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What Started As One Mother’s Plea For Her Two Incarcerated Sons Has Become An Open Door To Put King James Bibles Into The Hands Of Many Other Inmates

A mother contacted us today through our Bibles Behind Bars program with a heartfelt request for King James Bibles to be sent to her two sons incarcerated at Mid-State Correctional Facility, but the Lord had a much bigger plan in mind. What began as one mother refusing to give up on her boys has now opened the door for many more inmates at that facility to receive the word of God as well. What a timely reminder that when someone steps out in faith, the Lord can take that one act of obedience and multiply it into a blessing that reaches far beyond the original request! Loaves and fishes, anyone?

“When I brake the five loaves among five thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? They say unto him, Twelve.” Mark 8:19 (KJB)

After we got the request, I got on the phone with Chaplain Ellis at Mid-State Correctional, confirmed the woman’s two sons (name withheld) as being incarcerated there, and he told me that Mid-State holds a little over 1,500 inmates. I told him we could send him a bunch more than just the two Bibles, at no charge, and he was genuinely surprised and quite grateful for the offer, which he immediately took me up on. What started out as one mother with a burden for her sons to have God’s preserved word is now turning into an open floodgate of witness and ministry. This is why Bibles Behind Bars matters so much, because we are not merely sending books into prisons, we are sending the living word of God into places filled with darkness, regret, and brokenness. Inmates are getting saved, over 1,000 we know of so far, and eternal destinies are forever changed. God has kicked open wide the door of end times opportunity, and we invite you to come and be a part of it. Christian, we need your prayers for this nationwide outreach, as well as your financial support. Come help us!

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