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Pope Francis Tells Interviewer That Jesus Christ Was Born As ‘Exceptional Man’ But He Was ‘Not At All A God’ As Vatican Doesn’t Deny Or Demand Correction Of Account

In the latest edition of La Repubblica, Pope Francis tells interviewer, Eugenio Scalfari that Jesus of Nazareth was not God while incarnate as a man.

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October 10, 2019

Geoffrey Grider

In the latest edition of La Repubblica, Pope Francis’ longtime atheist friend and interviewer, Eugenio Scalfari, claims that the Pope told him that once Jesus Christ became incarnate, he was a man, a “man of exceptional virtues” but “not at all a God.”

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Pope Francis told me: ‘They are the proven proof that Jesus of Nazareth, once having become a man, was, though a man of exceptional virtues, not at all a God.'”

The most amazing thing about this story is that neither Pope Francis nor the Vatican had denied the pope made these statements, and neither have they asked La Repubblica to correct the account or retract the statements in full. So that leads me to believe that Pope Francis did indeed make them, and that this shocking accounting is indeed true and accurate. Don’t forget that Eugenio Scalfari and Pope Francis are longtime friends. Scarfari would not misrepresent his dear friend, and the pope feels comfortable enough around him because of that friendship to let his guard down.

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)

But Pope Francis has a long and proven track record of denying Jesus Christ, and making statements like it is ‘dangerous to have a personal relationship with Jesus‘. Last year with the same interviewer Scalfari and also in La Repubblica, Pope Francis said that ‘Hell is not real‘ and never denied saying that, either, and the Vatican never asked for a correction or retraction. So maybe we should ask ourselves why Pope Francis is continuing to make these outrageous statements.

“For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.” Isaiah 14:13,14 (KJV)

If you have been following our reporting on the Catholic Church and Chrislam, then you already know why the pope makes these types of statements. Because as he continues to assemble the One World Religion, he thinks of himself as a god, not unlike the passages we read in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 about Lucifer. Now you know, tell a friend.

FROM CNS NEWS: In the latest edition of La Repubblica, Pope Francis’ longtime atheist friend and interviewer, Eugenio Scalfari, claims that the Pope told him that once Jesus Christ became incarnate, he was a man, a “man of exceptional virtues” but “not at all a God.”

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The teaching of the Catholic Church and most Christian churches is that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was incarnated as fully man and fully God.

As the Catechism of the Catholic Church states, “The unique and altogether singular event of the Incarnation of the Son of God does not mean that Jesus Christ is part God and part man, nor does it imply that he is the result of a confused mixture of the divine and the human. He became truly man while remaining truly God. Jesus Christ is true God and true man. During the first centuries, the Church had to defend and clarify this truth of faith against the heresies that falsified it. (464)”

According to the highly respected Catholic blog, Rorate Caeli, and Radio Spada in Italy, Scalfari states in the Oct. 9 edition of La Repubblica (behind paywall) the following: “Those who, as it has happened many times with me, have had the luck of meeting him and speaking to him with the greatest cultural intimacy, know that Pope Francis conceives Christ as Jesus of Nazareth, man, not God incarnate.”

“Once incarnate, Jesus stops being a God and becomes a man until his death on the cross.”

Scalfari continues, “When I had the chance of discussing these sentences, Pope Francis told me: ‘They are the proven proof that Jesus of Nazareth, once having become a man, was, though a man of exceptional virtues, not at all a God.'”

In a March 2018 interview with Scalfari, Pope Francis reportedly said, “There is no Hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls.”

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ANTICHRIST: POPE FRANCIS TELLS CATHOLICS IN ROME THAT A ‘PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP’ WITH JESUS IS ‘DANGEROUS AND HARMFUL’

That interview caused an uproar and the Vatican claimed that what the Pope reportedly said was a “reconstruction” and not “quoted.” The Vatican did not deny what Scalfari reported but said it could not “be considered as a faithful transcription of the words of the Holy Father.”

The Pope himself never denied what Scalfari reported and the article never ran a correction or removed the article from its website.

Commenting on this latest revelation, Rorate Caeli said, “Now, obviously, as it has often happened with Francis’ informal interviews with Eugenio Scalfari, some will try to deny the veracity of what Scalfari, a seasoned journalist, affirms.

“Let us just recall, for the record of events, that there is no reason to doubt its general accuracy. We are way past the time of doubting the general accuracy of the Scalfari quotes.

“Not now, that the papal interviews to Scalfari have been published on the Vatican website, that they have been occasionally published by the Vatican publishing house (LEV) itself – for instance, as part of the book to the right.”

In a statement issued Oct. 9, reported by Church Militant in Rome, the Vatican said, “As has been affirmed in other occasions, the words that Dr. Eugenio Scalfari attributes between quotes to the Holy Father during his colloquies held with him cannot be considered as a faithful account of what was effectively said, but represent more a personal and free interpretation of that which he heard, as appears entirely evident from what was written today concerning the divinity of Jesus Christ.”

Church Militant’s Michael Voris commented, “That is the relevant part of the statement, and it, in itself, is now creating its own firestorm because it does not actually deny Scalfari’s characterization, merely hinting at the possibility.”

“Likewise, it does not affirm in any fashion that Pope Francis does indeed hold the divinity of Christ during Our Savior’s earthly ministry,” said Voris. READ MORE

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Bibles Behind Bars Gets Open Door At Williamson County Jail To Send Cases Of King James Bibles After One Mother Asked For Just One Bible For Her Son

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May 12, 2026

Geoffrey Grider

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The Lord Turned One Mother’s Request For One King James Bible Into An Open Door For Hundreds Of Inmates At The Williamson County Jail in Tennessee

What began as a simple and heartfelt request from the mother of an inmate has now become a wide-open door for the word of God inside the Williamson County Jail in Tennessee. A mother reached out to Bibles Behind Bars asking if we could send her son a King James Bible while he was incarcerated. I told her that we would be happy to do that, but making a connection there was much harder than I had anticipated. It took many phone calls, over many weeks, more than a few emails, and no small amount of persistence, but at last we were able to connect with the right person at the facility and obtain permission to send that Bible. Then the Lord did what He so often does, He kicks the door wide open and now we are supplying Bibles to the whole facility!

“For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.” Luke 19:10 (KJB)

This is why Bibles Behind Bars exists. Not to promote a program, not to build a brand, not to make men religious, and not to hand out motivational literature. We exist to get the King James Bible into the hands of men and women behind bars because “faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” The Bible does not need government approval to have power. It doesn’t need academic endorsement, and it doesn’t need modern revision. It needs only to be opened, read, believed, and obeyed. Paul wrote some of his most powerful words from prison. Joseph went from a prison house to a throne. The Philippian jailer met salvation in the middle of the night after an earthquake shook the prison doors open. God has never been intimidated by bars, guards, locks, rules, wardens, court systems, solitary confinements or government facilities. When God wants His word to go in, it goes in. This is the mission of Bibles Behind Bars, this is what your prayers work to accomplish, and this is what the donations you send in are spent on to produce. Come join us in this very important last days work, we need you!

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Donald Trump

The Opening Of The Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey Epstein Memorial Reading Room In New York City Shows The American People Demand Justice For The Victims

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May 12, 2026

Geoffrey Grider

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The Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey Epstein Reading Room Turns 3.5 Million Pages Of Buried Elite Corruption Into A Midterm Weapon Against Trump

The timing could not be more explosive. America is watching a sitting president entangled in a Middle East war, gas prices are biting voters at the pump, the midterms are coming like a freight train, and right in the middle of it all sits a pop-up shrine to the Epstein files in New York City called The Donald J Trump and Jeffrey Epstein Memorial Reading Room.That is not just an exhibit. it’s a political omen.

“Then was the part of the hand sent from him; and this writing was written. And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.” Daniel 5:24,25 (KJB)

The Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey Epstein Reading Room reportedly contains roughly 3.5 million pages of Epstein-related Justice Department files, bound into 3,437 volumes, with a display on the long-running relationship between Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. CNA reports that public access to the actual files is limited because DOJ failed to properly redact some victim names, but the visual impact is unrelenting and unmistakable – row upon row of Epstein Files bound records, a public spectacle of what the ruling class would rather keep buried.

If Donald Trump thought that starting a war with Iran would get people to stop talking about the Epstein Files, he was way off. Take a look at what just opened in New York City – The Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey Epstein Memorial Reading Room. And no, it’s not AI, it’s goodbye. pic.twitter.com/71l4xOUdWc

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And here is the problem for Trump and MAGA:Epstein was supposed to be their issue. For years, the Epstein files were held up as proof that an elite network of predators, fixers, financiers, politicians, intelligence assets, media gatekeepers and untouchable power brokers had operated above the law. MAGA voters were told that Trump was the man who would expose the rot. But now, with Trump back in the White House, the files are not functioning as a weapon against the Deep State nearly as much as they are becoming a mirror held up to the entire system — including Trump’s own proximity to it. That is politically devastating, beyond politically devastating, actually.

The White House position, as reported by WIRED, is that Trump has been “totally exonerated” on anything relating to Epstein, and Trump has denied wrongdoing. That distinction matters. But politics is not a courtroom, and the midterms will not be decided by evidentiary standards alone. They will be decided by perception, turnout, trust, anger, fatigue, gas prices, and whether the base believes the man they followed is still the outsider taking on Babylon — or has become another administrator of it. The Iran war makes this much worse. Reuters/Ipsos polling reported by Military Times found that 66% of Americans said Trump had not clearly explained the goals of U.S. military involvement in Iran, including one in three Republicans. That is a brutal number heading into a midterm year, because wars become political poison when voters cannot answer the simplest question: Why are we there?

Marist’s May 2026 polling is even more dangerous for Republicans: 60% disapprove of Trump’s handling of Iran, 61% say U.S. military action in Iran has done more harm than good, and Trump’s overall approval sits at 37%, with Democratic congressional candidates holding a “healthy lead” on the generic ballot. FiftyPlusOne’s May 11 generic ballot average showed Democrats ahead by 5 points, 47.3% to 42.0%. There’s your ‘midterm trap’, right there.

Trump won by turning politics into a loyalty test. But midterms are not presidential rallies. Midterms are about intensity, annoyance, protest, and whether your voters are still willing to stand in line for you when your name is not on the ballot. If even a small slice of MAGA voters stays home because they feel betrayed on war, the Epstein files, inflation, or “America First,” Republicans could lose the House in a wave that becomes a referendum on Trumpism itself.

IT’S MATH TIME: In 2024 Donald Trump Jr. said that the “only people who would want to stop the Epstein Files from coming out are people who are protecting pedophiles”. Today his father the president stopped the full release of those same files. Do the math. @POTUS @PressSec pic.twitter.com/5pQilqOF1M

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And this is where the Epstein files cut deeper than ordinary scandal. Epstein is not just a name. Epstein is a symbol. He represents the black heart of elite corruption: money, sex, power, secrecy, intelligence shadows, compromised politicians, and a justice system that seems to protect the powerful while crushing the powerless. The average MAGA voter does not need a law degree to smell a cover-up. They have been trained for years to distrust official narratives. So when the files come out slowly, awkwardly, incompletely, or in ways that appear politically managed, the base does not simply blame Democrats. Some of them begin asking the forbidden question: Why isn’t Trump blowing the whole thing open? That question is radioactive, to say the least.

The Iran war may rally the most loyal parts of the base for a season, but it also exposes the contradiction at the heart of modern MAGA. “America First” was supposed to mean no more endless Middle East wars. No more nation-building. No more blank checks for foreign entanglements while Americans suffer at home. Yet now the movement is being asked to defend another Iran conflict while gas prices, war fatigue and unresolved Epstein questions all collide. A Quincy Institute/TAC poll of 2024 Trump voters found 58% opposed sending U.S. troops into Iran, 55% were worried about rising gas prices from the war, and support among younger Trump voters was far weaker than among older ones.

This is exactly how the world system works. It doesn’t matter which party is in power, the machine protects itself. The faces change, the slogans change, the color of the hats change, but the machinery of deception keeps grinding. War abroad, scandal at home, files released but not fully usable, truth displayed but not fully accessible, and the people told to keep clapping for the show.

So yes, if the Iran war was ever intended by anyone in Trump’s orbit to draw oxygen away from the Epstein files, it may do the opposite. It may fuse the two stories together into one larger indictment in the minds of voters: a president who promised to drain the swamp now presiding over war, secrecy, rising costs, and unanswered questions about one of the darkest scandals of modern American life. That is the danger for MAGA heading into the midterms. Not that Democrats suddenly become beloved, they absolutely are not. The danger is that Trump’s own voters begin to feel that the revolution became another rerun, another managed production, another deal cut behind closed doors. And once a political movement built on exposing betrayal starts feeling betrayed itself, the reckoning can come fast. And indeed, that reckoning may already be here.

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End Times

The Amazing End Times Connection To Gold Melting At 1,948 Degrees, Israel Being Regathered In 1948 And The Jews With The Mark Of The Beast Under Antichrist

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May 11, 2026

Geoffrey Grider

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Gold melts at 1,948 degrees and Israel was regathered in 1948, and both these things are connected to the Mark of the Beast and Antichrist in the end times

Israel’s rebirth as a nation in 1948 was not the forthcoming and prophesied spiritual redemption of Israel. It was the prophetic regathering of a people brought back to the land in unbelief, exactly as the prophets said would happen before the Lord would deal with them in the fire of Jacob’s trouble. The modern State of Israel is a miracle of Bible prophecy, yes, but it is not yet a saved nation. They are back in the land, but they have not yet looked upon Him whom they have pierced. They have a flag, a military, a capital, a government, and a homeland, but nationally speaking, they still reject their Messiah.

“And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.” Zechariah 12:10 (KJB)

I find it fascinating that gold melts at exactly 1,948 degrees farenheit and Israel was brought back to the Land in 1948. What’s the connection? Plenty. The Mark of the Beast, as we have shown you many times, is a human-implantable biometric device that will allow the user to engage in buying and selling in the coming global economic sytem under Antichrist, and it will need pure gold to operate. Jesus warns in Revelation 3 to “get the right gold”, the gold that Jesus alone provides and that doesn’t canker, rust or corrupt. Why is that important? Because James tells us that the day is coming, in the Tribulation, when God is going to change the molecular structure of pure gold into something that can and will rust and corrupt. Imagine what that will do to the insides of the bodies with the Mark of the Beast, it will be brutal.

“Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.” James 5:1-3 (KJB)

There is a massive difference between national restoration and spiritual redemption. Israel’s return to the land is prophetic, but redemption cannot come until the Second Advent. Ezekiel saw Israel restored physically before the Spirit of God entered them. The bones came together first, the breath came after.

“Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.” Ezekiel 37: 5,6 (KJB)

The Jews are physically back in the land, but their full spiritual awakening comes by the hand of the LORD. Modern Israel is not the fulfillment of Romans 11:26, not yet. It is the stage being set for it. God had to bring the Jews back into the land so that the prophecies concerning them being scattered one last time under Antichrist could come to pass. Regathered to be scattered is strange thought, I’ll grant you that, but that’s exactly how Isaiah sees it.

“For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.” Isaiah 28:21 (KJB)

For a brief moment, it will appear that Israel has finally secured her future. The temple system restored, sacrifices resumed, and the world celebrating a new age of peace in the Middle East. Isn’t that what Donald Trump’s Abraham Accords are all about? Isn’t that what Donald Trump’s Gaza Board of Peace is all about? Amazing how many things that are connected with the Antichrist in the near future are also connected to Donald Trump right now. But I’m sure that’s just a coincidence. Halfway through that final seven-year period, the mask comes off. The peacemaker becomes the persecutor. The covenant-maker becomes the desolator. The man Israel thought was protecting them will demand worship from them. Then, lights out. God rains down judgment from Heaven, and only the remnant will make it through.

“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.” Revelation 14:9-11 (KJB)

That is the essence of Antichrist: he does not merely oppose Christ, he replaces Christ. He offers peace without repentance, security without redemption, worship without God, and a kingdom without the King. Modern Israel is therefore not awaiting utopia, she is awaiting Jacob’s trouble. That trouble will be the furnace through which God purges the nation. The same people who returned to the land in unbelief will be driven into the fire of the time of Jacob’s trouble, not because God has abandoned them, but because God is going to finish what he promised. The Antichrist will deceive many, but he will not destroy the covenant purposes of God. There will be a remnant.

“And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.” Zechariah 13:9 (KJB)

That remnant will be refined, broken, awakened, and brought to national repentance. Israel’s redemption will not come through the United Nations, American foreign policy, Donald Trump, military strength, rebuilt temple worship, or a peace treaty with the Beast. Israel’s redemption comes when Jesus Christ returns at the Second Advent as the Deliverer from Sion. That is the prophetic bottom line.

“And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.” Luke 1:31-33 (KJB)

Israel in 1948 was restored nationally, but not redeemed spiritually. They are back in the land, but still blind to their King. They have returned to the geography of prophecy, but not yet to the God of prophecy. And because they rejected the true Messiah, they will fall prey to the false one. But the false messiah’s reign will be short. The Beast will rise, deceive, persecute, and demand worship, but Jesus Christ will return and destroy him. The gold will melt, the lies will burn, the remnant will be redeemed, and King Jesus will take the throne of His father David in Zion.

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