Obama Desperately Tries To Stay Ahead Of Uproar Over Invasive Surveillance Program

Obama met with his team, including Attorney General Eric Holder, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, National Security Agency Director Keith Alexander and others after the meeting with the...

President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden met with intelligence and privacy experts Wednesday as they look to finalize the White House response to the uproar over the government’s vast surveillance programs.

First, they met with the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, a group which will release a report on the controversial bulk phone collection program and Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, and then with various leaders of the intelligence community in the afternoon.



“This was a useful opportunity for the president to hear the group’s views directly as we begin to finalize our internal review,” said Caitlin Hayden, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council.

But Obama is likely to release his changes before the group, which Congress created in 2004 to oversee the government’s expanded intelligence collection operations, releases its report in late January and early February.

“The board welcomes the chance to provide input into the administration’s decision-making process as the president evaluates whether and how to reform the Section 215 program and the operations of the FISC,” according to a statement from the board.

Obama met with his team, including Attorney General Eric Holder, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, National Security Agency Director Keith Alexander and others after the meeting with the board.

“This was an important chance for the president to hear directly from his team as he begins to make final decisions about how we move forward with key intelligence collection programs,” Hayden said.

Obama suggested in December that he may make significant changes to the government’s surveillance programs, including the contentious mass collection of phone records.

White House spokesman Jay Carney said Monday that Obama will announce changes before his State of the Union address Jan. 28.

Since June, former contractor Edward Snowden has leaked documents showing the National Security Agency has been collecting telephone and email records on tens of millions of Americans and foreigners, eavesdropping on allies such as Germany and Brazil, and spying on a host of global institutions.

An advisory panel recommended nearly 50 changes to the NSA’s surveillance programs, which have guided intelligence gathering by the United States since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

The proposals include an end to the NSA’s storage of Americans’ telephone records, more stringent handling of Americans’ data that is collected incidentally through targeting foreigners, concrete standards for targeting communications of foreign leaders, and the creation of a public interest advocate to represent Americans’ interest in front of the secret court that authorizes the spying programs.

Obama could administer some of the recommendations through executive actions, but others would require approval from a divided Congress, where support for NSA changes does not fall strictly along party lines.

Obama will meet with a select group of lawmakers at the White House Thursday. source – McClatchy


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  • I’m more worried about Japan’s nuclear plant just got hit with a 6.0 earthquake and the nuclear plant is in full meltdown right now pacific time at 6:35 p.m. than poor Obama issues?

  • It was down graded to a 5.0.

    • Ron Murphy: seems your lowering in yourself so far in the garbage can.

      Even with a down grade to 5.0 Earthquake, at the nuclear plant will do alot of damages.

      Why do now you try that, Ron, down grading yourself a bit, then it will not seem your an idiot.

      Its to bad, we do not have a intelligent speaker for the Post-Tribbers, as D City was, oh! I forgot you ran him off with your stupid insults against him.

      Keep up the good work, oh! Yes! that your main point in your life works, I wonder with all these insults against Pre-Tribbers, God will think your work will be worthy of yourself to enter in His kingdom?

      • I’m already at the bottom and you’re stepping on me, does it make you feel good? I don’t talk that kind of garbage. I don’t believe it’s meant for a Christian to talk guile. Not judging anyone but for me. But you believe whatever you want. You seem to be really confused these days, anyway. Now I have nothing to say to you right now. If you get a comment under yours don’t look for me. I consider you extremely wicked for your actions. And you do your wickedness in the name of the Lord. 🙁

        • Ron Murphy: I really feel sorry for you, that you need to lower your self so low just to insult me, by making up these new names for me, but it would be helpful to you to recieve some psychological counseling.

          Please Ron understand this, I’m not judging you at all, I’m just opinionated person. And I just love your insults to me!

          I’m not trying to be rude and I would not want you to think about committing suicide, but since Brenda Murphy is not posting for a long time now, is their problems at home with your relationship? Maybe that’s the reason you lashing out at Marie, since she’s a woman?

          • Well, Larue……
            It seems that you never change. At one time, I thought you were on the right path, but here you are, still lashing out and being a mean old man, with nothing better to do. If you are feeding the poor and helping people, it won’t matter much, since you don’t show any love for anyone, but yourself. Bragging and boasting won’t get you into heaven. I thought you were a pastor and knew your Bible. Here you go, I know you do not love the truth, but you will here it, anyways.

            Mat 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
            Mat 6:2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
            Mat 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
            Mat 6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
            Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

            1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
            1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
            1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
            1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
            1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
            1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
            1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
            1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
            1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
            1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
            1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
            1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
            1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

            And as for our personal life, it is very good, as God is in this marriage. Thank you.

  • No, I’m not Ron Murphy. Here is what you may be.
    The pathology involved in a psychopath’s world is less understood but it involves core personality traits. Psychopath or what used to be called Anti-social personality disorder has no treatment and no medications change the person’s thinking or alter the course of the pathology. The person manipulates, exploits, or violates other people’s rights, from minor to major things. Their thinking and behavior puts no one ahead of the person’s wishes, whatever those wishes may be at the moment. Persons with antisocial personality disorder are danagerous and will never change. No type of counseling is effective. These people often commit murder or other violence toward people, without regard or remorse.

    • Ron Murphy: I’ve been telling VA that for years for guys like you that want to be wanta-be’s like war veterans?

  • STL : Thank you for sharing this information about the nuclear plant…I appreciate the info!!

    • Lacey: seems Ron Murphy has gone nuts! With all these nice names he’s making up for me, he must really love me? In Post 2 & 4, he post these nice comments to me, its not like him?

  • Does anyone know where to find the late breaking news on the latest earthquake in Japan?

    Please advise asap!! Thank you.

  • Steve: On NTEB post Obama issues creepy, Teresa B. put out a web page on the news, but I check Fox and CNN, but nothing yet? It was down grade to a 5.0 earthquake, but the news Teresa B. provided Japan was having nuclear meltdown.

  • The last major (4.0+) earthquake to hit Japan is as follows

    Izu Islands, Japan region2013-09-04 00:18:23 UTC402.0 km deep

    That’s September 4th, which is south of Tokyo, which is three times as far south from Fukushima, the power plant STL is no doubt talking about.

  • You see Pastor, it’s not fun posting in other names IS IT. Do you like a taste of your OWN MEDICINE now. You posted in other names to hide your ID so now you know how it feels. Ron Murphy, I’m sorry he thinks it’s you, Maybe he will learn to play nice on this forum and respect others beliefs.

    • Ron Murphy: As you say, do you like a taste of your own medicine now.

      Actually, Ron, I really having a good time with all these new names you think up for me.

      But actually, stop giving me a taste, give me the full meal!

      Actually it doesn’t matter whose typing in these names, their, only proving that their pride is controling them, and that they have severe mental problems and they need to recieve alot of help?

    • No apology necessary. I’m glad to see him get his own medicine. Castor oil is good for the soul! 🙂
      I think I know who you are. I’m fine with him thinking it’s me!

      • ROTFLOL 🙂 I’m bad, It’s late and I’m tired, and I’m laughing my rear off at these names…I shouldn’t be, but sometimes payback is a good thing!!! LOL 🙂

    • @ whoever is STL is a idiot….I’m sorry may God forgive me, but you did give me a good ole belly laugh!!! Jesus forgive me…rotflol 🙂

  • Oh, Steve, there WAS a 5.0 earthquake January 9th. Not sure why the USGS isn’t reporting it.

    • Corey: Maybe because their downplaying the news about the nuclear plant, because its serious, usually when something is wrong they go for a black out on the news.

  • Steve: Check: Beforeitnews.com

  • Kerry Is Just Not in Touch with Reality”
    by Daniel Pipes
    January 9, 2014
    Cross-posted from National Review Online, The Corner


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    Despite all that’s going on the Middle East – the Iranian nuclear buildup, the violence in Iraq, the shaking of Erdoğan’s rule in Turkey, civil war in Syria, Egypt and Yemen in melt-down mode, Libya unraveling, Tunisia in political crisis – U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry has one main thing on his mind, and that’s a Palestinian-Israeli accord. Unbelievably, he is paying a twelfth visit to the region on Jan. 13 to pursue this goal.

    As he returns and returns again, senior Israeli diplomatic officials are showing impatience with him. Here are quotes from some, speaking off the record and very candidly to Israel Hayom. First, about process:

    “We believe that in return for Israel’s request to extend negotiations by a year, Abu Mazen [Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas] will ask more of Israel, such as a [settlement construction] freeze or another prisoner release, and these demands will be backed by Kerry and turned into an American demand, accompanied by a threat. This, while the Arabs have never given anything in return, from the Oslo negotiations until today.”
    “The negotiations are currently being carried out without papers or documents passing between the sides. This is because the Arabs are refusing to present written documents. The Americans are coming with prepared proposals, they read them and do not leave documents with either side. It is all done verbally. The Netanyahu government is cooperating with Kerry’s initiative with the clear knowledge that the Arab side will not accept the agreement and ultimately [Israel] will not be required to make concessions or evacuate settlements.”
    “Israel is forced to cooperate with the American plan, mainly out of concern that if we reject it, the U.S. will blame Israel for the failure of the negotiations.”
    Then, more revealingly, about Kerry himself and his team:

    “The conduct of the U.S. secretary of state is obsessive. There are those who say that more than wanting to advance peace, he wants to take advantage of the conflict for his political needs. According to this line of thought, Kerry seems to think his path to the White House is via the signing of a Middle East peace agreement.”
    “Kerry, U.S. Ambassador to Israel Dan Shapiro and U.S. Special Envoy Martin Indyk are wandering around the country, meeting ministers, briefing journalists and creating a feeling that a peace agreement is about to be signed.”
    Kerry’s security plan for the Jordan Valley is “ridiculous and unable to withstand the test of reality.”
    “Kerry visits here a lot, but he does not display any understanding of what is happening here. The U.S. plans are superficial and not serious. There is no connection between what is said in public about the progress of the negotiations and what is actually happening. It seems that Kerry is just not in touch with reality. He is not an expert, to say the least, on the roots of the conflict, he does not know how to create real solutions and does not even demonstrate proficiency in reading maps that are presented to him.”
    Comments: (1) Kerry has long had a reputation for trying to bend reality to fit his own thinking. This diplomatic effort would seem to be his most ambitious –and harmful – such indulgence to date. (2) The American administration obsesses over the Palestinians because it, bizarrely, sees this as the key to the region’s other problems. (January 9, 2014)

  • To Ron and Suez:
    Perhaps it is because you have not peace of Jesus inside of you, that you come to a website that is diametrically opposed in view to your post trib views and attack, accuse, name call, and lash out on every low level that you can. You clearly do not have the peace of God in you. If you had Jesus’s peace I don’t think you would have the need to attack us so or be so vile.
    My issue: That you falsely speak about pretibbers as to our belief on slavation. YOu say we want the Rapture to save us and not the blood of Jesus. You make all kinds of insane false claims and then attribute to us. You do not speak for us, you ruin conversations with you insults and name calling. You gang up on people as bullies. You are deluded to think you have to tell us your Truth. Are you not aware that it is the Holy Spirit that guides us into all Truth.
    You use this website as your garbage can. A further clue as to your status is that you have no repentence in you and are never sorry for the pain that you so wildly inflict on others. Can you possibly have the Holy Spirit in you?
    Many have left because of you and you fell no shame about your behavior. Who are you other than Satan’s minions here to accuse, mock, scoff, attack and blame for what is in actuality your unbelief and then you retend to be victims. I do not think you are filled with the Holy Spirit and therefore you are not a true believer in Christ Jesus. You are just here to cause trouble and mock. How many will be driven away before your ugly job is done.

    • 🙄 Sister, or brother, I’m not sure, please re-read my comments, I don’t do that. Your speaking UN-truths. 🙁 Maybe you got some of your things mixed up with mine? Yes, that is possible. 🙂 If your old like me, we can get mixed up now can’t we…

    • Yes, you rely on the rapture to get you out of tribulation, and not on the blood of Jesus to get you through it.

      Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

  • Post 29 continued:
    Unfortunately, Ron you are using God’s Word, The Holy Bible, as a prop to launch your vicious attacks. God save you from yourself.

  • TeresaB. this morning, I had my lawyers in D.C. file a lawsiut against NTEB, they lost control of this web site again, so maybe it can be worked out in the courts under the Freedom of Rights Act!

    • 🙄

    • Isn’t there something in the Bible that says we aren’t to sue the brother n??? I can’t put my finger on it right now, but I know it’s there!!!

    • SJL, I thought we told you we didn’t need your money. We are doing okay! Keep your money. God gives us what we need. 🙄

      • Mat_5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.

        We all will have to share. At least we will have a beach house to vacation in Mazatlan! Sue, you can have the horses.

  • Sue: We all will meet in person!

    • EPA changing border of Wyo Wind River Reservation

      Governor Mead at Capitol for a Day event 2013 (Picture from soswy.state.wy.us)

      Just when you think that the EPA can’t get any more out of control, it decides to change the border of a state.

      According to an article on Trib.com, the EPA overturned a 1905 Federal Law by expanding the Wind River Indian Reservation:

      CHEYENNE — Gov. Matt Mead’s administration is calling on the Environmental Protection Agency to freeze implementation of its recent decision that more than 1 million acres around Riverton remains legally Indian Country.

      Wyoming Attorney General Peter Michael wrote Monday to national EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy and Regional Administrator Shawn McGrath in Denver asking them to reconsider the agency’s decision.

      The EPA ruled last month that a 1905 federal law opening part of the Wind River Indian Reservation to settlement by non-Indians didn’t extinguish the land’s reservation status.

      The EPA addressed the reservation boundary issue in its decision last month that granted an application from the Eastern Shoshone and Northern Arapaho tribes. The tribes had applied to have the reservation treated as a separate state under the federal Clean Air Act.

      Wyoming’s Governor, Matt Mead, says he will fight the decision and is concerned that a Federal Agency assumes it has the power to alter a state’s boundaries:

      Mead has pledged to challenge the EPA decision in federal court. The state’s request to the EPA to halt implementation of its decision could help the state if it later asks the court to block the agency’s decision while the appeal plays out.

      “My deep concern is about an administrative agency of the federal government altering a state’s boundary and going against over 100 years of history and law,” Mead said. “This should be a concern to all citizens because, if the EPA can unilaterally take land away from a state, where will it stop?”

      If you agree with the decision or not, the EPA does not have the power to adjust the borders of a state. The proper places for such a decision are either in the legislative branch or the judicial branch. To me this is an obvious abuse of a power the EPA wrongly assumes it has…

      Read more of the story at Trib.com.


      It seems that the Trib.com has pulled their article since this story was published on the Gateway Pundit (The links are now dead).

      Luckily I found an article on the Daily Caller with information on this story.


      Trib.com has re-posted the story. I have edited the links in the article and they are now live or you can just click here.

    • Reading the comment section of this article angered me at first, then I could not help but laugh at the liberal responders gross ignorance. It shows just how sad some of the population can be.

      • Hi what does liberal responders mean? sorry ole dead brain woman here 😉

      • I’m not into politics, Neither was Jesus. But as He did I do see and understand a lot. I’m neutral but I see the Good of each party and I see the bad of each party. Both are very corrupt, both lie, both cheat, both still, both partake in inhumane actions. I prefer to stay out of the world and look to the Kingdom to come. We must stand for what’s right in God’s eyes, but not stand for corruption. What has happened to our country, must happen to fulfill God’s word , which will rule over all. His will be done.

        • And how do you take a stand for corruption? What would you do other than normal? Or why mention it? thanks

    • We notice yesterday evening that Walmart was empty shelves in the water lane, now we understand, thanks to you. We by every thing we drink, anyway. But found water in some crates in the side lane, so we are good. Thanks, Teresa. God Bless you.

      • R and B, I am glad you are ok. This make me think I need to get more water, been storing a tiny but but who has storage in a 110 yr old house, even tho I have more than new houses in some ways. I don’t even know if that can happen here but need to get more. In some ways I think those of you who live in the trees are better off! 🙂 so glad to hear all good thank you for letting me know

        • Teresa, this is a rare event. It might be wiser to invest in filtration , than in storage. I will trust in the verse when the time of the night comes.

          Mar_16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

          I believe this was wrote for that time of the beginning and the end, the former and latter rain.

          • @Ron,
            Amen! That’s what is comforting; He is with us always even unto the end.

          • Very true, Sister. I believe even if we do fall away, He’s still there with out stretched arms and broken heart, calling us to come back to the fold. God’s love is so deep, we can not understand it. Let us love one another as God loves us. I would never intentionally hurt you. I just don’t want you to be deceived. I hope some day you will realize that.

          • I am going to get a filter, one that is to work in our well, but no elec no water. If grid is gone ? I know the end is coming but I also know it could not be in my lifetime, so I want to prepare for normal things at least, like what you just experienced. Or I am mis understanding 😉




    • The Lord sure do work in mysterious ways!

      • I can not wait to meet Marie.

        • Ron, maybe it will be a Mrs. Doubt-fire type thing??? LOL 🙂

          • You’re to funny, Sue! 🙂

          • You know there is nothing funny here Ron. I can find so much Scripture to write but you know it all.


  • Why are all the people here hate everyone so much, and you call yourselves God’s people, you make sick to my stomach!

    • We true Christians, hate no one. But when one choses to do evil deeds, toward us, we do rejoice when the Lord fights our battles. It’s always been that way!

      • Ron, what would evil deeds be to you? thanks

    • @Moonlit,
      So true; and I’ve been a part of it by responding to comments.
      Dear Lord, please forgive me for my part in this strife.

    • Moonlit I agree. All I try to say is the unkindness on here is ungodly and am met w Scripture saying I am not submissive or ?. Why cannot they disagree and still stay civil. I have never been around such unkind people and frankly don’t understand it and have not for months yet I am still here only because I like to read. Not because I am searching for something other than for peace and civility and the Word of God presented WITHOUT PERSONAL COMMENTS. Let people ask God for direction, MAN cannot give it. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, may God Bless you

      • Tesesa, I believe men of God, can give it. The discernment must be made in the fruit of their works and not if you agree with their theology or not! Stephen went through much strife and contention before they finally stone him for his words. Stephen was only showing them the direction. They disagreed and hated him for it. But that did not stop him. And even they stopped him by death, Stephen will avenge them. He is very blessed above most saints. All those that stand up for God will be blessed, especially in the night coming on the world.

        • Ron that is not how we are to be now to be that way w our Brothers/Sisters in Christ. I can find plenty of Scripture to say that. Blessings to you

          • Was Stephen not after Christ and was he not an example to us all? What were the Apostles for, if not to lead us? What Gospel are you preaching? I’m through with conversing with you. I see what you’re doing?

          • Ron what am I doing? Is it so hard to be the light? I am not preaching anything other than what you know. You cannot lead anyone by being unkind can you?

    • Moonlit, I may not agree w you on some things, but thank you for sharing that.

  • I agree, I don’t like the fighting on here but I do love the fact we all love Jesus , and maybe we are all here to help each other in some way or another Amen

    • Amen, Dawn!

    • Hi Dawn that may be true, but if I browbeat my neighbor because I think I am right and at the same time say I love Jesus, what would they see?

  • I can’t understand how people on this web site consider theirselves christians, when each one of them are attacking each other, all of you are acting like spoil children and trying to get the own way, so again I ask is this how you should act as God’s children?

    • Are you better, that you can Judge who’s right or wrong?
      What are you doing, now that there should at last be peace? Stirring strife, is that Godly. It is if you are standing for God, for Paul strived every day to contend for the Gospel. Let peace return here. It’ should be over, now. Let it go.

  • TO #59, #60 and #61,


    The Behavior on the web site is UGODLY and does nothing to GLORIFY Christ. Do you call your 7th Day Adventist or Morman, or Catholic neighbor these names? I sure wouldn’t want you for one. How bout your Grocer or anyone else you know.
    It is not a Christian site at all or it would not let this go on. There are warnings but not for the right reasons. It is not a Site that puts articles out there that are related to end times other than Political, which causes more strife. To much Scriptural knowledge leaves because of on going tribulation. And do not tell me if you think this is bad just wait. Has nothing to do with this. I continue to pray for peace and uplifting here.

    • Because you don’t understand you err. Marie is STL. Don’t criticize what you don’t understood, the Pharisees are a prime example that God will not excuse you for it. This is a prophetic site , not a pretrib site. The administrator has verified that post tribbers are allowed to post their views here. Again you err. The forked tongue is not in my mouth. Yes I can wait for every body to see who Marie really is. The forked tongue is your friend who’s been stiking at you and others on this site. So now are you taking his place? The forked tongue is the act of love on one fork ad then poison on the other fork. The serpent beguiled Eve. Portrayed as a friend to deliver the venom.

      • Ron if this is you , which because SATAN is here don’t know, have seen how your style has changed. That why I wonder. You ever attacked anyone in the manner now, yes you did me but not this cruel. You know we prayed for mo for her hsbnd. She and I made peace that should tell you we are real. You know that, come on. The forked tongue is meant that folks print scripture and backhand.

        • sorry typo fingers to fast, Marie not mo.

      • Why is this so hard. for anyone?

        ◄ Matthew 7:3 ►

        Parallel Verses

        New International Version
        “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

        New Living Translation
        “And why worry about a speck in your friend’s eye when you have a log in your own?

        English Standard Version
        Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

        New American Standard Bible
        “Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

        King James Bible
        And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

        Holman Christian Standard Bible
        Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye but don’t notice the log in your own eye?

        International Standard Version
        “Why do you see the speck in your brother’s eye but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?

        NET Bible
        Why do you see the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to see the beam of wood in your own?

        Aramaic Bible in Plain English
        Why do you notice a chip that is in your brother’s eye, and you do not observe the plank that is in your own eye?

        GOD’S WORD® Translation
        So why do you see the piece of sawdust in another believer’s eye and not notice the wooden beam in your own eye?

        Jubilee Bible 2000
        And why dost thou behold the mote that is in thy brother’s eye but dost not consider the beam that is in thine own eye?

        King James 2000 Bible
        And why behold you the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but consider not the beam that is in your own eye?

        American King James Version
        And why behold you the mote that is in your brother’s eye, but consider not the beam that is in your own eye?

        American Standard Version
        And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

        Douay-Rheims Bible
        Any why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye?

        Darby Bible Translation
        But why lookest thou on the mote that is in the eye of thy brother, but observest not the beam that is in thine eye?

        English Revised Version
        And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

        Webster’s Bible Translation
        And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thy own eye?

        Weymouth New Testament
        And why do you look at the splinter in your brother’s eye, and not notice the beam which is in your own eye?

        World English Bible
        Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but don’t consider the beam that is in your own eye?

        Young’s Literal Translation
        And why dost thou behold the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, and the beam that is in thine own eye dost not consider?

        • Teresa, how is it that you see a beam in my eye. Are your eyes open to see the truth, then by all means teach us. But if you teach falsely, I see enough to tell you so. So proceed with caution many souls depend on the truth!

          • Ron with all due respect, I should not see one should I? Isnt that the pt? To look inside ourselves and find it?

  • Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

    I don’t think this is talking about Jews in particular. Hum, I wonder why the rest of the chapter should be?

  • Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
    I don’t think this is talking about the Jews in particular. Hum, I wonder why the rest of the chapter should be?

  • Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
    I don’t think this is talking about the Jews in particular. Hum, I wonder why the rest of the chapter should be?

  • Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
    Well, you know I know this wasn’t to just the Jews so why should the rest of the chapter be?
    The end is the end of the age when Christ comes to reign.

  • Mat 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
    Mat 24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
    Mat 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
    Mat 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    This is who Jesus will come on as a thief in the night, these are they that are not looking for him, not the post tribbers! You people got funny notions! If you look for Him, you will be living right and loving your fellow man, not beating on him. I tell you these things because I love you.

    • How can you love someone when your beating them to death?

      • Moonlit I wonder that as well, May the Lord Bless You,

      • Moonlit, who is it that I beat. Only those that attack, I reprove! A great evil has been done to this sight and God knows the guilty. Careful how you judge. I have nothing more to say to you, for now.

  • If you beating on them at the same time you tell them you love them. I believe that person would need some mental care treatment?

  • Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
    Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    It will not be flood this time but fire. The rapture happens before the fire falls. Just like Noah entered the Ark before the rain fell!

    Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
    A third is a lot of the earth. You think they might know if it’s God’s wrath by that time? I believe they will. But Jesus hasn’t came to reign yet. This is just one plague we got 6 more to go.

    Ah! the last one!
    Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
    There is Jesus, beginning His reign. And He shall reign for ever and ever.

  • Isa 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
    Isa 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
    Isa_64:11 Our holy and our beautiful house, where our fathers praised thee, is burned up with fire: and all our pleasant things are laid waste.

    Rev_8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

    Rev_14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

  • surge

    i just licked my hand. wow.

  • Why are post-trib believers heckling and taunting pre-trib believers on a pre-trib site? Post-tribber’s please do not claim you are trying to educate or help. You are not fooling anyone, especially God.

    Why is it that post- tribulation believers seem to have a haughty, prideful, and hateful spirit about them? I’m not going to bombard you with any bible verses but I will say this. Mind your manners and be nice. Not the syrupy sweet sickening nice several of you have been tacking on the beginning and end of your posts for
    good measure. Do you really think adding a bless you here and there conceals your intent?

    Pre-tribber’s just don’t feed the trolls. I’m going to dig a little deeper to see if I can find what you think about the articles? I just fed the troll’s but not a lot. : )

    • CRob, because what we teach is not a lie. Because the administrator, has given right to all to voice their opinions. My opinion is pretribbers believe in fairy tales.

      2Ti_4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
      2Pe_1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
      The pretrib is cunningly devised.

      • Funny I thought someone would of spoken against all this name calling, but instead they amen it. :mrgreen:

    • C Rob, thank you, I cant come up w the right words. Am I to naïve to think people can disagree and still be civil w self restraint upon total disagreement? I never heard anyone like the people on here.

      • I see, as long as it’s agreeable with your views, it’s fine for them to say what they please, we shouldn’t disagree?
        Pretribbers always justify themselves, just like they do for being worthy of a pre trib rapture. It’s no better than the Pharisees crucifying Jesus, they thought to be justified in doing so. Now, who spoke 1st, against who starting out?
        Every one should be entitled to their opinion, that doesn’t make every one’s opinion right however. God will be the Judge of that, and we will be judged for our words. I know there is very little that I’ve said that didn’t receive negative responses back.

        • Let me say the verse above about fables, 2Peter 1:16, is about end times, the day of the Lord. This passage refers to either pretrib or post trib. I leave it to your imagination , which is the fable. You already know my opinion any way.

          • If you are not sure of the truth, then why would you indulge in trying to argue about it? Again the Pharisees show a great example.

        • Ron, to be fair all I ever say is we are not to name call, snide comments, etc. One can post Scripture w meaning and not do that. It can be bantered back and forth to get the point across even disagreeing, more self restraint could be used. that’s my only view on here and I think everyone knows it.

          • Teresa,
            Remember when you first came on here, and I warned you that this place was like that. I could go back and get it, but you should remember. Why do you add to the pot? Let things go. Larue couldn’t do that. Now look at him. He has ran a lot of good people off of this blog site, and for no good reason. He blames it on us, but we always said, if you don’t like it, skip on down to the next post. That is easy to do, so why don’t you do that?
            No offense, but this stuff is getting old, isn’t it, or do you just like adding more fuel to the fire?

          • B thought you were gone, nice to see you. The only thing I want to coldconk anyone over the head w is simply post your scripture, opinion w/o the use of sarcasim or telling people they are crazy for not agreeing. I ask that of all of us. I think you will find on here that’s all I have ever done besides post articles. My comments may or may not agree but not to say they read fairy tales. This is what I was reading this morning is all I am trying to say. Whether people agree on here about the Rapture is of no importance to me, and you all have so much knowledge to share.
            But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

            9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.

            10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

            11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?

            12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

            13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

            14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.

            15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

            I don’t skip because I like to read.

            Blessings to you

          • Yes, Teresa
            I like to read, also. so I skip the people that I don’t like, so maybe they skip me, too. lol
            In all seriousness, though, I basically post scripture, as I find some of these articles, simply ludicrous. I don’t like to come back at people and insult their intelligence, or lack thereof. We all have a right to our own opinion. That is just it, too many people have this attitude, if it don’t set right with them, then they attack people personally. That isn’t right. Ron makes jokes most of the time, and it is a little sarcastic, and many take it as insult, because they don’t understand sarcasm. I understand that people are sensitive, but come on, lighten up some. We have taken a lot of stuff on here. I don’t take it personally. I hold no grudges. I understand how people feel, as these are the last days…..and getting closer to the great tribulation, so people don’t want to hear that there isn’t going to be a rapture before it, but it is truth. We speak it, we cannot go against the Word of the Lord.

          • Brenda you are right, and I don’t argue your points. I am not going to argue Pre or Post, there is only one answer and ea of those on here think they are right. Most likely that wont change. I do realize personalities make the difference rather than lack of knowledge of topic, or to me it seems. I have experience in bullying and to me its that simple, done on a computer hidden. My Grandchildren have experienced it, and I saw it in the elementarys I worked in. People can post all day long that says their view is right, awesome, at least people read it right? Its just the last comments that get in the way, then it all was for naught. Jokes are not jokes to others, and because we don’t know ea other, ???. Example is simple as Marie. She yelled at me for 2 days, among others, but once I met her I understand and did where she was coming from, she now understands me. That would happen if we all sat down am sure and frankly I would like that! I don’t want to see you leave here, and glad you are back briefly, we may disagree on Rapture, but as someone else said, we do love the Lord, but holy cow it doesn’t show at times. 🙂 Thanks for writing, Blessings

  • Ron you have already been asked to mind your manners. You’ve gotten your point across ad nauseam.

  • So, I should be silent while you can state your opinion? I will defend my faith, because I know it to be the truth. If I didn’t know that, I would be afraid to speak. I’ll mind the Lord. You can take my love for hate, if you want, that’s your choice. But just keep this in mind, they hated Jesus’ words, also. He spoke the truth in love. They thought He was hateful, too, no doubt. I speak to you the truth and you don’t have eyes to see the truth. What I teach is simple, so simple you can not comprehend it. You only can see what you want to see. If Jesus was here today you would not listen, nor would you see. You would argue with Him the rapture was pretrib, even though you have no Bible to prove it. Jesus Himself, in His word, told you what would happen, but you refuse to acknowledge His word, claiming they are not for you. You blind yourselves. Others are not to blame, that you can not see. You can’t see past your beliefs. It’s like a Hampster in a cage. He doesn’t know the forest is outside, unless he escapes. He believes his world is complete inside his surroundings. Take a look outside, discover what’s going on, before you decide what is right or wrong. The fact that you turn deaf ears to our teaching, is why you can not hear. Nor do you understand. As Jody said to me,” It’s simple, Ron. It’s right there.” Why is it you refuse to look? It must be fear. Ignoring the truth, will not make it go away. We will fade away, but God’s word will endure forever.

  • Ron how’s your false beliefs coming along, your attitude does need improving, maybe you need to pray more than talking all the time?

  • Larue, we all could do more praying instead of talking. My beliefs are what they always have been, that Jesus is the author and finisher of my faith, not the Rapture and not Paul. Jesus said immediately after. You say immediately before. You should be smart enough to figure out who I’m going to believe.

    • Why you think there are few posting now, because its your way of removing anyone you can that does not agree with your theories of scripture, but you go around blaming everyone except your self, or you believe you don’t do anything wrong and others are the main problem on the web site?

      • I ask no one to leave, but rather stay and learn what the Lord says in His Word. It’s not me that run Roland, Brenda, and so many more off due to your insults and your vile words, all because of your hatred for the truth.
        It is you that made war against it, justifying yourself for the evil that you have stooped to. Changing peoples words and many insulting names to everyone, then turn and say it is them that insults you. And if that was not enough, you say terrible things in the names of others , by name changing of,” written by”. If you think God is pleased with your deceit, then you are badly deceived.

        • Whose Brenda or Roland, you got me mixed up with someone else?

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