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Pope Francis On Frantic Quest To Unite All Religions Under Rome

| June 8, 2014 | 415 Comments

The Pope is working to combine all religions into one

And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.” Revelation 17:6

Pope Francis is a man on a mission to fulfill bible prophecy, and he is getting more done than any other Pope in the last 100 years. Pope Francis is here to make some serious and drastic changes not only in the Catholic Vatican system, in the professing Christianity as well.  He is creating the One World Religion.

The bible, in Revelation 17 and 18, talks about a harlot church that rules the spiritual world. She is wealthy beyond description, and all the kings and mighty men of the earth want to be in a spiritual bed with her. The bible says that she is a city that “sitteth on seven hills”, and is “drunk with the blood of the saints”. This can only be one system, one place, one church – the Roman Catholic Church whose Vatican headquarters sits on the famed Seven Hills in Rome.

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Pope Francis’s call for unity goes beyond the Christian community. During his recent visit to the Middle East, Francis invited Israeli Jewish and Muslim leaders to join him in prayer for peace for their region at the Vatican this Sunday. Israel’s Chief of State Shimon Peres and Palestinian President Abu Mazen will be joined by a delegation of rabbis, Islamic imams, and Israeli Druze community leaders, according to news reports.

This week, not only did Pope Francis hold ecumenical services in the Vatican where he prayed to the moon god of Islam, Allah, he also held high level meetings with megachurch pastor Joel Osteen and US Senator Mike Lee who was there to represent the Mormon church. The actors have taken the stage, with more still arriving, in the unfolding of what will one day soon be the wildest bible prophecy ever told – the Great Tribulation.

Joel Osteen was enthralled with the fact that Pope Francis is so inclusive:

“I like the fact that this pope is trying to make the church larger, not smaller. He’s not pushing people out but making the church more inclusive. That resonated with me,” Osteen told the Houston Chronicle. 

The Christian Post reports that according to Westmont College, Francis had invited more than a dozen “North American Protestant leaders” to discuss the question: “Can we find common ground in order to advance the life and ministry of Jesus so more people can experience the joy of Christian faith?”

 The ecumenical meeting was a part of Pope Francis’ on-going efforts to bring unity among Christians, previously stating in public remarks, “Divisions among us, but also divisions among the communities: evangelical Christians, orthodox Christians, Catholic Christians, but why divided? We must try to bring about unity.”

However, Pope Francis’s call for unity goes beyond the Christian community. During his recent visit to the Middle East, Francis invited Israeli Jewish and Muslim leaders to join him in prayer for peace for their region at the Vatican this Sunday. Israel’s Chief of State Shimon Peres and Palestinian President Abu Mazen will be joined by a delegation of rabbis, Islamic imams, and Israeli Druze community leaders, according to news reports.

 

 

About the Author:

NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he hosts a twice-weekly bible study and prophecy radio show on BlogTalk Radio, and oversees a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.
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  1. STL says:

    Hail! The False Prophet! Pope Francis. It only a matter of a short time before the 7 year Tribulation begins!

    • Peter says:

      What makes him a false prophet? Pope Francis is only trying to create peace in the world. This website has a lot of good information I agree with but false misconceptions about Catholicism.

  2. JT says:

    REVELATION 18:24 Mystery Babylon
    And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

    LUKE 13:31-34
    The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee.

    And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

    **Nevertheless I must walk today, and tomorrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.**

    Jesus said a prophet CAN NOT perish outside of Jerusalem…Mystery Babylon Identified.

    • Brenda Murphy says:

      Right, JT!

      Jerusalem and Israel- has always been the harlot-they need to study Old and New testament together.

      • sayanim says:

        THE ONLY HARLOT CHURCH IS THE RCC, WHICH SITS ON SEVEN HILLS.

        • Brenda Murphy says:

          The devil has his decoys. The Catholic church is of the antichrist spirit, just like many others, but it never was the apple of God’s eye, now, was it?

        • Revelation 2:9 says:

          I know what a sayanim is you rat!

          “The secret to Israel’s force-multiplier in the U.S. is its use of agents, assets and sayanim (Hebrew for volunteers)… With oversight by Israeli case officers (katsas), Israeli operations proceed in the U.S. by using agents, assets and volunteers (sayanim).”

          “Much like military reservists, sayanim are activated when needed to support an operation. By agreeing to be available to help Israel, they provide an on-call undercover corps and force-multiplier that can be deployed on short notice… When not aiding an ongoing operation, sayanim gather and report intelligence useful to Israel. This volunteer corps is deeply imbedded in legislative bodies, particularly in the U.S.”

          “I want to tell you something very clear, don’t worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.” – Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, October 3rd, 2001.

          According to Viktor Ostrovsky: “There are thousands of sayanim around the world… You have at your disposal a non-risk recruitment system that actually gives you a pool of millions of Jewish people to tap from outside your own borders.”

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Amen, JT. To go with that in Luke 13,

      Luk 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
      Luk 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

      Desolate! as in abomination of desolation. Thank God for those that have eyes to see and ears to hear. Even the two prophets will prophesy in Jerusalem, and will die and lay dead in the street of Jerusalem. It is written, the great city, where our Lord was crucified, Rev 11:8

      Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

    • emeka says:

      tell the name of your own church and i will tell you the real anti-Christ

  3. Anonymous says:

    Maybe by the 4th Blood moon the 7 year Tribulation begins?

  4. Geoffrey Grider says:

    The Rapture happens BEFORE the Tribulation starts. The Church is witnessing the "warm-up" but we will be taken OUT before the Tribulation actually begins. http://nowtheendbegins.com/pages/rapture/the-pretribulation-rapture-explained.htm

    • FacebookJust read and see who Israel is or go to Israel and talk to the Israelis and they will tell you who Israel is. They know .

    • I’m going to re-post my thoughts on the “Rapture” that I posted regarding another article on NTEB. Please take the time to Study the information on the web-link that I provided. God Bless.

      There will be NO Pre-tribulation Rapture. It is a trick by Satan to deceive one into believing that the first one proclaiming to be God is God. Why would the ones left behind in a Pre-tribulation scenario have any reservations NOT to take the Mark of the Beast? They wouldn’t. So who will be the unwilling if all of the Christians were already “Raptured?” If Bible believing Christians believe for one minute that there will not be any suffering or Severe persecution, you have been deceived. There WILL be a Rapture but NOT as most Christians believe. Please study the information on this web-link and maybe you will have a better understanding of what is to come. Ask The Lord for discernment and may God Bless you.

      http://housechurchesuk.weebly.com/the-secret-rapture-lie.html

  5. The Rapture happens BEFORE the Tribulation starts. The Church is witnessing the “warm-up” but we will be taken OUT before the Tribulation actually begins. http://nowtheendbegins.com/pages/rapture/the-pretribulation-rapture-explained.htm

    • Veritus says:

      No. There is no such thing as a rapture before the tribulation.

    • Matt says:

      Yes there is a Rapture. Just like Lot was rescued from Sodom and Gomorrah God has a history of taking the believers out prior to the destruction. It will be far better for those who choose light rather than darkness now and taken in the rapture rather than having to do this during the dark, dark times of the tribulation.

      16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

      17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

      • Sandra Farrell says:

        AMEN!

      • shal says:

        now how does that bible text say anything about a rapture, this text is clearly speaking about the second coming of Christ. you are misinterpreting bible information.

        • MRH says:

          The second coming of Christ is a staged event; for saints (after tribulation), with saints (during wrath) ;)

          P.S. The bible is sadly the most misunderstood book :(

    • Ron Murphy says:

      It would be believable if you had Bible, but you just don’t have it. God’s word is supreme, mans understanding is blah and dim, at best. What you have is nothing more the Jesus’ account of Matthew 24, accepting that is hard meat to chew for some.

      • larry wood says:

        Ron, You are right ,It is to him that believeth,It must not be for you

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Yes that is correct, it’s not for me. I believe in the Bible, it says, just after tribulation, Jesus will gather his elect, from all over heaven and earth. My friend, that is not his coming from heaven to war, for then we will not have to be gathered, but we will be following him. Those horses we will be riding will not get lost. They are heavenly horses with mighty features, Rev 9:17.

          This is the battle when he returns, not Matthew 24:31.
          Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

          Why can’t you distinguish the difference?

  6. Roy M Cooper says:

    I am so SICK of this evil world! Jesus come get Your Bride!

    • MRH says:

      Happy wishful dreaming, as God has future holy plans for the church, and the rapture escape is definitely not first on the task list ;)

  7. STL says:

    NTEB: remember our discussion of the 4 Blood moons? I guess the 1st Blood Moon that occurred on April 15, 2014 is show us about the event of Pope Francis as the False Prophet, calling on Israel and Muslims join into ONE WORLD RELIGION. Now the next Blood Moon happens Oct. 8, 2014, what next event will happen to Israel and the World?

  8. Anonymous says:

    Mr. Grider: I believe why it states in 1st Cor. 15:51 As a Mystery event being change to we can go to heaven in the rapture, is that this event will happen by Sept. 2015 the 4th Blood moon event, in the confusion of a counter attack by Russia, Iran, Libya, Turkey, Sudan to Israel, which some calls the Magog war, and the USA financial crisis with there stock markets and a possible mega earthquake in the Nothwest of the USA and possibility of a few volcanoes exploding into the air circle our globed, No one will relized what happen to millions of people?

  9. Revelation 2:9 says:

    In 1492 CE, Chemor, chief Rabbi of Spain, wrote to the Grand Sanhedrin, which had its seat in Constantinople, for advice, when a Spanish law threatened expulsion (after the fall of Muslim rule in spain).

    This was the reply:

    ” Beloved brethren in Moses, we have received your letter in which you tell us of the anxieties and misfortunes which you are enduring. We are pierced by as great pain to hear it as yourselves. The advice of the Grand Satraps and Rabbis is the following:

    1. As for what you say that the King of Spain obliges you to become Christians: do it, since you cannot do otherwise.
    2. As for what you say about the command to despoil you of your property: make your sons merchants that they may despoil, little by little, the Christians of theirs.
    3. As for what you say about making attempts on your lives: make your sons doctors and apothecaries, that they may take away Christians’ lives.
    4. As for what you say of their destroying your synagogues: make your sons canons and clerics in order that they may destroy their churches. [Emphasis mine]
    5. As for the many other vexations you complain of: arrange that your sons become advocates and lawyers, and see that they always mix in affairs of State, that by putting Christians under your yoke you may dominate the world and be avenged on them.
    6. Do not swerve from this order that we give you, because you will find by experience that, humiliated as you are, you will reach the actuality of power.

    (Signed) PRINCE OF THE JEWS OF CONSTANTINOPLE.”
    ———— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— —-
    The reply is found in the sixteenth century Spanish book, La Silva Curiosa, by Julio-Iniguez de Medrano (Paris, Orry, 1608), on pages 156 and 157, with the following explanation: “This letter following was found in the archives of Toledo by the Hermit of Salamanca, (while) searching the ancient records of the kingdoms of Spain; and, as it is expressive and remarkable, I wish to write it here.” — vide, photostat facing page 80. ~ The above was quoted from Waters Flowing Eastward by Paquita de Shishmareff, pp. 73-74

  10. Pope Francis can have his One World Religion – I prefer Christ's religion.

  11. Kristi says:

    This pope is UN-holy and dead WRONG!! APOTHSY!!

  12. Yeah, I used to believe that Rapture stuff. Not anymore and you should check it out. Number one, Yahweh didn't make it the Saints and the Jews, 2 separate people. Remember we are ONE in Him. No difference if we are saved. If we are grafted in, just like if you adopted a child, would you let him do his own thing while the rest of the family did another??? No. They do the same. Yeshua said to do as He did. He did the feasts( nothing of Christmas, easter or other pagan traditions) and HE and the others kept the Sabbath. Catholics changed that. Check out 119 Ministries and Jim Staley for starters. Yeah, I know, people call them Hebrew Roots Cult. Watch the and listen to what they say, weigh it for yourself, check the Bible and believe what you want. We need to put our PHAROAH heart to the side for a while and check. Dont you think we have been lied to? Satan has been busy cuz his time is short. The whole thing though, is that He has to draw us, coax us because we don't find Him as He isn't lost. We are. Those 2 places on internet should open your eyes and then there is a little struggle, war in your mind as to the truth because we have been duped all these years in the mainstream church and bunny and santa garbage. If its new, its not true. If its true, its not NEW. We are not supposed to follow mans traditions.

  13. How can different religions worshipping different Gods ever come together.Perhaps we are witnessing the great falling away the Bible talks about before the return of the Lord Jesus.Maybe this is the lie that the Bible talks also about where the worshippers are deceived into thinking that they are all worshipping the same God.Think for a moment,how can a religion that worships a Pagan Moon God,Allah and that rejects Gods Son Jesus ever be joined into the so called Christian church whose supposed to spread the good news that salvation comes only through the sacrifice and acceptance of the Son of God,Jeshua.In order for these two opposing religions to work there is going to have to be a lot of deceiving going on.Don't be fooled,the Bible clearly states that there is only one way to salvation and that is through the shed blood,sacrifice,death on a cross and then the glorious resurrection of Gods only begotten Son,Jesus.Period.

  14. Henco Swart says:

    I do not believe in a pre-trib rapture. The Western Church haven't been tested and tried like the Church in Communist and Islamic nations, yet we hope for Christ to save us from persecution and times of testing? Are we better Christians than our Eastern brothers? Jesus said 'Blessed are you when you are persecuted for My sake', yet we want to 'run away'… Also, in the book of Revelation it says that those that lost their lives for Christ' sake, will receive a crown of life… People, I do believe we should check our willingness to endure this tribulation. If your eschatological theology is wrong, and Christ tarries, many Christians will lose their eternal salvation… Phillipians 2 urges us to have the same attitude that Jesus had, that we would be obedient to the point of death, and becoming servants. The common rapture theology is much too much a Gospel of comfort, while Jesus said that if He was crucified and killed, that we should expect the same… We will be comforted, yes, and I look forward to that… but we have to forsake ourselves, pick up our cross, and endure. That is to what we have been called while we are still here on earth.

  15. Larry Grant says:

    …”that day shall not come until all these things be fulfilled”…
    I just wonder when Joel Osteen is going to come out of the closet?

  16. watchman48 says:

    Amazing, this idiocy matches that which is in the White House…

  17. Lucy Balboa says:

    I agree that we need to check things out ,The devil is a cunning one, & will fool many.

  18. Dan (required) says:

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/mystery-babylon-is-mecca-not-vatican/

    Is the mystery babylon Saudi Arabia or Rome ?

  19. Elaine Loftus Gray That "rapture stuff" is called the harpazo and it is scriptural.

  20. Paul Mitchell says:

    You have some very good points, but I disagree with you on rapture, however if you are in Christ when he comes is not important you are already dead with him; the flesh skins will pass no matter what they are corrupt, and in addition Paul our Apostle commanded thru his revelations not taught by man that we study to show ourselves approved and not ashamed. That is a personal responsibility as in 2 Tim 2:15. It is better to unite then divide, and it is better to light a candle then curse the dark. The rapture is not to fly folks out of here to make them safe no not at all it is to finish the Gospel to the Kingdom for his people and the earthly Kingdom vs the heavenly realm. The Gospel of the Kingdom was only postponed for the "ONE NEW MAN" which is as you said one. However the whole of Israel will be saved and he will finish what he started in the Gospel of the Kingdom vs Grace they are different.

  21. Geoffrey Grider says:

    Elaine Loftus Gray The Body of Christ – made up of Jews and Gentiles – does not change God's plan for the Jews and Israel during the time of Jacob's Trouble, the Great Tribulation. After the Rapture, God will once again turn His full attention back to Israel and the Jews as the scriptures have said.

  22. Glenn Holland says:

    Elaine Loftus Gray The Mosaic Law could never save a person. It's function was to point to a Holy God, man's sin and the need to a Savior.

    Christians are not under the Mosaic Law.
    10 "Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear ? 11 "But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are." 12 All the people kept silent, and they were listening to Barnabas and Paul as they were relating what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles.

    27 "Therefore we have sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 "For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials : 29 that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication ; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell."
    - Acts 15

    For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. – Hebrews 8:7

    When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear. – Hebrews 8:13

    1 You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publiclyportrayed as crucified ? 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive theSpirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith ? 3 Are you so foolish ? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh ? – Galatians 3

    Be careful.

  23. Jeff Myers says:

    Used to watch Jim, he has many OLD great teachings for more in depth teachings in truth, check out "double portion ministries",and" A Rood Awakening, The Jonah Code" , they realize going back to "christian" roots leads to confusion!
    laine Loftus Gray

  24. Henco Swart says:

    Now The End Begins Does the Bible not state: "At the last trumpet, we all will be changed"? So, what is that last trumpet referring, if the first 6 haven't been already sounded. Maybe I may misunderstand a bit about the Pre-trib rapture, but I do believe that our attitude should reflect a willingness to stay and to do whatever God wants of us. Remember, He is God, we are serving Him. Also, what does the scripture mean with this: ' Those that endure until the end, will be saved'? With many Biblical figures', they went through persecution and suffering. Daniel along with Shadrac, Meshac and Abednego being examples of this… and how many Christians were sawn in half, fed to Lions, used as human torches, beheaded, etc. like Hebrews 11 tells us… Jesus Himself was the example of that we should aspire to, and His death was one of the most cruel and degrading. But He is Alive… It is in forsaking our own desires and needs, and dying to ourselves, that we will find eternal life… and unfortunately, the much of the rapture-theory is still very much testifying of our own need for self-preservation. I believe that we should be willing for that. I also do pray that I may be found worthy of such a death. Jesus died a public humiliating death for us. I believe we should be willing at least to the same for Him. If the Rapture saves us, praise God. If it doesn't, praise God… but in our deaths, may God be glorified. I hope you understand that as I have put it to you. We have to display courage, and being 'saved' during the rapture is not showing that much courage…

  25. Stephen Zee says:

    Henco Swart – does it not also state 1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

  26. Kenneth J. Fields says:

    The Great Tribulation will be the Time of Jacob's Trouble. The Church of Christ will not be on Earth at that time. I understand your argument. And while we're NOT better than other saints, we ARE saved by the blood of Christ. Whether we do anything to earn rewards is another matter entirely. Our 'works' do not qualify or disqualify us from our redemption at the time of the Rapture.

    • MRH says:

      “The Great Tribulation will be the Time of Jacob’s Trouble. The Church of Christ will not be on Earth at that time”

      @Kenneth: Prove all things if you can ;)

  27. Kenneth J. Fields says:

    Elaine Loftus Gray I have been studying this topic for about 20 years. I hate to disagree with you at one level, but at another it is better for us. Your argument that we are all one in Him is not valid. Yes, those that are saved (Jew and Gentile) are part of the church and therefore are all one with Christ. But the nation of Israel is another matter altogether. The Jews are the 'elect' of God and the Christians are the 'redeemed' of God. With two different futures (same destination) ahead. As a rebuttal to the feast day/holiday argument read: Colossians 2:16.

    • MRH says:

      “The Jews are the ‘elect’ of God and the Christians are the ‘redeemed’ of God”

      @Kenneth: Prove such balderdash if you even can ;)

      Rom 8:33 KJV – Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth.

      Col 3:12 KJV – Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

      Tit 1:1 KJV – Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

  28. Robieone says:

    I definitely believe in the pre-trib rapture. I believe that Revelation clearly states that GOD will keep us from the hour of tribulation. And you would have to ignore a great deal of scripture if you don’t believe in it.
    GOD will not let HIS church go through the hell of tribulation. That is inconsistent with who HE is. Thank you and God bless.

    • Jim Blake says:

      Saying that you don’t believe that God allowing His church to go through tribulation is inconsistent with who He is, is rediculous. Look at the suffering men and women have endured for His name through the centuries and even today in muslim states. Talk to the Voice of the Martyrs if you wonder if suffering for God is consistant with who He is.

      Years ago, God told me that the god of North America is comfort. This is demonstrated through many unbiblical North American church doctrines, like the prosperity gospel, the positive confession movement, the name it and claim it movement, and the Pre-Tribulation movement. All of these movements claim we will be kept from sorrow, sickness and poverty.

      As for the Pre-Tribulation theology, Jesus prayed to the Father and said:
      John 17:15-21
      I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one. They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth.
       “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

      Matthew 10:17-22
      Beware of men, for they will deliver you over to courts and flog you in their synagogues, and you will be dragged before governors and kings for my sake, to bear witness before them and the Gentiles. When they deliver you over, do not be anxious how you are to speak or what you are to say, for what you are to say will be given to you in that hour. For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. Brother will deliver brother over to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death, and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

      We must endure until the end in faith in the Heavenly Father’s Messiah to be saved.

      Matthew 24:21-31
      For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ! ’ or ‘There he is! ’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.
      The Coming of the Son of Man
       “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

      • Dan (required) says:

        Jim, I can only share this with you brother concerning the church.
        It is also the reasons I am a pre-triber.
        The church is mentioned nineteen times in Revelation from chapters 1-3 and isn’t mentioned once as being on earth from chapters 4-19 and it’s in these chapters that the great outpouring of G-d’s wrath is described in detail! It’s also very interesting that in chapters 2 and 3 we read “He who has an ear, let him hear what the spirit says to the churches” repeated seven times, while in chapter 13 we see:” if anyone has an ear, let him hear. This is the same warning except that the churches is left out! It seems unthinkable that G-d would omit mention of the Church if it were still on earth during these devastating judgments .
        Of course see for yourself Jim but in the end we’re still waiting for the same thing. I matters little to me. The very fact that it’s happening makes me beat my chest with joy! Blessings

      • Saint in Light says:

        Jim-
        2 Timothy 2:15
        Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing(Rightly Dividing) the word of truth.

        Ephesians 3:2
        If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

        We the body/bride of Christ,live in the dispensation of Grace.
        We are saved by grace Through faith and Not of WORKS, lest Any man should Boast.

        We are Not Lordship Salvationists needing to “persevere until the end” showing Jesus by our works that we are “Worthy” for our salvation.
        This denies the Gospel of Grace and the finished work of Jesus on the cross and His Resurrection.

        For those Left Behind, this Will be the case.The age of Grace will be over after the rapture.

        Make sure Jim, you didn’t get “saved” through “Works” and anything you had to do other than, ONLY BELIEVE.
        1 John 5:13
        These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

        • Brenda Murphy says:

          Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
          Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
          Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
          Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

          • Amadea says:

            But you really need to read the entire passage, right down to verse 26: “for as the body is dead apart from the Spirit, so also faith is dead apart from works.” It isn’t works that save us, it is that we exhibit works and Spiritual fruit BECAUSE we are saved. And James is saying that those who say they are saved but do no works are deceiving themselves, because if your faith in Jesus Christ has truly saved you, you will want to do works for HIM. That is the Holy Spirit working in you. People in the OldTestament were justified by works as evidence of their faith in God Almighty. But we today receive such justification and grace through Jesus Christ. I mean, even atheists do good works. Does that mean that those who do not believe in God are justified? Jesus said, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except by Me.” John 14:6

          • Brenda Murphy says:

            Yes, I KNOW that it is our faith in Christ that saves us, but we have to bear fruits, or the tree is plucked up, and burned in the fire.

            uk 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
            Luk 3:9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
            Luk 3:10 And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then?
            Luk 3:11 He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.

            Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
            Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
            Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
            Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
            Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
            Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
            Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
            Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
            Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
            Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
            Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
            Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
            Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

      • Amadea says:

        Gather His elect FROM ONE END OF HEAVEN to the other!!! The elect are in heaven. How do we get there???? We meet the LORD in the air at the Rapture. Jesus does not come to earth in the Rapture. His Second Coming is a separate event which occurs AT THE END of the tribulation. Another point is that no one is to know the day and the hour of the coming of the LORD. If the Rapture is to come either mid- or post trib, we WOULD know the day, for sure. (3-1/2 years from the beginning of the trib or seven years. It could be calculated.). Not that any of this speculation really makes a difference to bona fide Christians, who are called to be prepared both in and out of season. Marantha, LORD Jesus!

        • Brenda Murphy says:

          Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
          Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
          Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

        • MRH says:

          Actually, there is a second worse part to the tribulation, but it’s not called tribulation per se ;)

          Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

          What is being implied above? I believe it is describing the effects of global nuclear war. And Joel gives us a vivid clue in below scripture.

          Joe 2:30-31 KJV – And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

          P.S. Does not ‘pillars of smoke’ picture mushroom clouds? ;)

  29. TeresaB says:

    Guess What City Is the New Islamic Tourism Capital? Hint: It’s Not in a Majority-Muslim Country

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/08/jerusalem-chosen-as-tourism-capital-for-islam/

  30. Teresa says:

    Can someone that is well read tell me something I can read to understand Evangelical verse Roman Catholic. The RCC believes they have endured for 2,000 years and are the only true church. I understand the Mormons and Jehovah Witness but the RCC I am not sure of. I read but still can not answer apologist from them. My grandchildren are in RCC school and being raised RCC. I am well grounded in my salvation and I am not sure of their RCC salvation.

    • They believe when Jesus said to Peter..upon this rock I will build my church was Peter..St Peter. That is not what Jesus meant by that statement. Peter was to preach God’s truth Word..Rock..to all nations.Peter didn’t take it that way. Jesus is our Rock..Rock of our salvation. Catholisism has turned the christain church upside down. If only our reformers could come back and see what their people are doing with the truth they once had. There is even people saying that the reformation never occured..hummm..Just like the aunshewitz. We who believe in the Bible as truth and the whole truth and don’t trade our convictions for traditions…will come out winners.Theres no praying to Mary (Immaculate heart) Jesus is the Way, Truth, and Life (Light) If more people read their bibles and asked God’s guidance and not take every John, Dick and Harrys word about it..The truth would be reveiled. I was raised Catholic, my mother was Baptist. I worshipped with the Lutherns,Baptists Methodists,Episcopalians, and Congregationalist. Nazarenes,Assembly of God, and non-denomination groups. Of all the denominations I have attended in over 50yrs. I came accross the Seventh Day Adventists. I do not plan on leaving this fine denomination, For here I am finding truth in scripture and doing my best, with Gods help, to live it. i have an understanding of the beast, harlot, and satans deception. I encourage everyone to pick up that dusty bible and read. The books of Daniel and Revelation go hand in hand. May god bless you in this reading. You can always pray for anyone..He hears us…

    • joeclark77 says:

      The Catholic Church is the Church founded by Jesus at the last supper. The eleven apostles (twelve minus Judas) named their own successors, who named their own successors, and so on, down to the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox bishops living today. Any modern Catholic bishop can trace his holy orders all the way back to one of the original apostles.

      If you want to learn more about what the Church teaches, the most reliable way is to look at the universal Catechism of the Catholic Church where it’s all laid out in black and white. There are several good apologists online. Catholic Answers (catholic.com) has links to several of them and has special pages for non-Christians and for non-Catholic Christians (http://www.catholic.com/for-other-christians) that may help you find what you’re looking for. A couple of good bloggers I recommend are Jimmy Akin and Joe Heschmeyer.

      • MRH says:

        “The Catholic Church is the Church founded by Jesus at the last supper”

        False doctrine :( The Catholic Church was founded by Constantine, as a compromise between Christianity and Paganism ;)

    • Sandyz says:

      Yes, Teresa a book by Karl Keating, titled Catholicism and Fundamentalism, Ignatious Press. One of the best books I’ve read. Explains so many misconceptions about the Catholic Church.

    • Sandy Zerkel says:

      Hello Teresa, one of the best books I have read explaining the misconceptions about the Catholic Church is by Karl Keating. It’s simply titled “Catholicism and Fundamentalism.”

    • MRH says:

      @Teresa: The HRCC is a cauldron of lies, and the Vatican is steeped in the occult. What more can I say? Anyway, you can warn others, but you can’t change their religions, only God can do that by miracle aspect.

  31. Gary C. Hardin says:

    Don't be confused here. The Church is not escaping from anything. The Rapture is necessary simply because the 7 years indicated in Revelation is for the exclusive redemption of Israel. The time of the Gentiles ceases at the beginning of the Tribulational period.

    • MRH says:

      “The time of the Gentiles ceases at the beginning of the Tribulational period”

      @Gary: Not true, it ceases at the end of tribulation period ;)

      Rev 11:1-2 KJV – And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

      P.S. The tribulation is not 7 years as is commonly believed by many.

  32. Vern Bennett says:

    To al u fooled blinded Christians who think ur skipping the trib cuz of the rapture. Bad news forget it ur here till the end. God doesn't change

    • MRH says:

      The end is when things get real bad, not so much during the short tribulation. Also the church departs before the end prevails, and so we miss the darkest hour on the planet :)

      • Brenda Murphy says:

        Not so, Mark. we won’t be taken until the last Gentile be come in, by martyrdom, I would presume, then and only then, can he resurrect His martyrs-the ones that die in Christ. Then He can come and resurrect all the martyrs that have ever been, and take them home, that’s why he is meeting them in the air, to take them home–until the wrath of God is poured out on the unbelievers—then Christ will come back with the saints(martyrs), to exact vengeance on those that know not God, and will destroy the beast(antichrist), and the false prophet-in the lake of fire.

        Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
        Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
        Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
        Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
        Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
        Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
        Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
        Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
        Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
        Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
        Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

        Then the martyrs will reign with Christ a thousand years, on the earth..

        Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
        Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
        Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
        Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
        Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
        Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

        After that, satan will be loosed again…..

        Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
        Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
        Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
        Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
        Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
        Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
        Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
        Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
        Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

        After satan is destroyed, then the Great White Throne judgment, in which the rest of the dead will be judged–ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS–as it says in the verses above.

        • STL says:

          Brenda: You need to choodse better words, Satan will not be destroyed, yes he will be sentence to the pit as all unbelievers, but destroyed never!

          • MRH says:

            “Satan will not be destroyed”

            @STL: Uhmm.. YOU ARE DEAD WRONG AGAIN :(

            Rev 20:10 KJV – And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

            P.S. Unless you think the ‘lake of fire’ is just a pit? ;)

        • MRH says:

          “Not so, Mark. we won’t be taken until the last Gentile be come in, by martyrdom, I would presume, then and only then, can he resurrect His martyrs-the ones that die in Christ”

          @Brenda: You obviously don’t know the bible as well as you think you do :(

          Hint: The martyrs come after tribulation during the wrath :)

          Rev 14:9-10, 13 KJV – And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: … And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

          Rev 15:1-2 KJV – And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

          P.S. One can’t be in the future martyr group unless they fail the rapture, and submit to the beast ;)

          • Brenda Murphy says:

            So, you are pre, mid, and post trib, all rolled into one? Gotcha!

          • MRH says:

            Nay, I’m none of them, I’m as the bible relates ;)

            P.S. The tribulation storm is now here, it is the Islamic invasion of the entire world :(

            Question: Are you ready to bow down to Allah Brenda? Or will you boldly deny Islam as your head is chopped off? :)

            Do you think I’m joking? Islam has already conquered many countries from within, and without any battle. And America even has now become an Islamic nation :(

  33. Mary Alice Leavesley says:

    It is not…biblical..I believe that we will be tested and maybe have to go thru hard times that we have never experienced before. We are to be living and doing what God's has wanted us to do and not always do what we want to. We are not sacrificing much for our salvation..If it is free..and I believe this, than show our thankfulness in all things. some of us will have to be tried in fire to become pure gold…deserving of God's grace.

    • MRH says:

      “I believe that we will be tested and maybe have to go thru hard times that we have never experienced before”

      @Mary: Life itself is an endless time of trials and tribulations for all mankind, not just for Christians ;)

      P.S. All Christians (true believers) are sealed unto redemption, no matter our doctrinal differences :)

  34. The devil is in the details!

  35. What sadly most Catholics fail to really comprehend Jesus went to the cross in our place .He did this to offer us the free gift of forgiveness and assurance of heaven .Not like catholic and many other groups who think they can merit their own salvation by doing works .The place a burden on people that they can never over come . . Ephesians 2:8-9
    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 1 John 1 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. You can have absolute assurance of heaven if you simply do that scripture says .Ask Jesus and he will forgive ALL and Cleanse you .. and some will quote James but they twist scripture out of context .James is speaking to those already saved forgiven and heaven bound .He telling Christians how to know you are a true Christians .James is doing the example of 2 Corinthians 13 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you–unless, of course, you fail the test? The Catholicism in their own words says your damned if you think your sin are forgiven without having to do works and purgatory .Canon 30: "If any one saith, that, after the grace of Justification has been received, to every penitent sinner the guilt is remitted, and the debt of eternal punishment is blotted out in such wise, that there remains not any debt of temporal punishment to be discharged either in this world, or in the next in Purgatory, before the entrance to the kingdom of heaven can be opened (to him); let him be anathema." means damned …
    What the bible says "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ," (Rom. 5:1).
    "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross." (Col. 2:13-14)next works salvation . Canon 24: "If any one saith, that the justice received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema."
    What the bible says "O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" (Gal. 3:1-3).
    "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. 2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law." (Gal. 5:1-3). Next Canon 30: "If any one saith, that, after the grace of Justification has been received, to every penitent sinner the guilt is remitted, and the debt of eternal punishment is blotted out in such wise, that there remains not any debt of temporal punishment to be discharged either in this world, or in the next in Purgatory, before the entrance to the kingdom of heaven can be opened (to him); let him be anathema."
    "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ," (Rom. 5:1).
    "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross." (Col. 2:13-14). 1 john 1 9 If we confess our sins, Jesus is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness…. Folks no need for the blasphemy of Purgatory. Lastly the catholic church as never recanted on the Council of Trent: Canons on Justification.Last most Catholics do not even know why there Old Testament part of the bible has more extra books.The old testament is suppose to be book of the inspired Jewish.But Catholicism add these extra books in and around 1500.Question to ask yourself … http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asp Could this be OUR last generation we are seeing ?

    • MRH says:

      “What sadly most Catholics fail to really comprehend Jesus went to the cross in our place .He did this to offer us the free gift of forgiveness and assurance of heaven .Not like catholic and many other groups who think they can merit their own salvation by doing works”

      @Daniel: Yes it’s sad, but Satan has his grip on the churches, just as he has his grip on the world. Fact is, Satan keeps the church bound, while he lets the world go free. But things are changing now in many strange ways, as our world freedom is gradually being taken away too.

  36. Elaine Loftus Gray Question to ask yourself … http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asp Could this be OUR last generation we are seeing ?

  37. Question to ask yourself … http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asp Could this be OUR last generation we are seeing ?

  38. Question to ask yourself … http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asp Could this be OUR last generation we are seeing ?

  39. Question to ask yourself … http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asp Could this be OUR last generation we are seeing ?

  40. All hype to sell books .The bible proclaims a blood moon not four . Question to ask yourself … http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asp Could this be OUR last generation we are seeing ?

    • MRH says:

      @Daniel: Yes I do believe we are in the final generation, and very close to the edge as well. As for the blood moons idea, it’s only called a blood in a couple places, else-wise it’s simply stated, ‘moon darkened’. Same factor with sun and stars.. dimming aspect. Like would be the case with a global nuclear holocaust.. just a funky thought though ;)

      P.S. Air pollution also causes sky dimming phenomena, and can be a nasty effect in certain places, plus enough pollution can have global impact. The 3rd and 5th trumpet declare such wonders :)

      http://aeroventure.com/REVELATION/7-TRUMPETS.htm

  41. Question to ask yourself … http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asp Could this be OUR last generation we are seeing ?

  42. To many concerned about rapture but not out witnessing to the lost . Salvation is a more important issue . Question to ask yourself … http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asp Could this be OUR last generation we are seeing ?

  43. Daniel Phillips Me myself think it might very well be

  44. Rick says:

    The false prophet will be of Jewish descent. There is no need to speculate concerning antichrist. The rapture will occur before the tribulation can begin. The rapture is imminent.

  45. Thank Yahweh I do not believe in religion.Also I do not care what popey does.He is a fraud.

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  47. Mary Alice Leavesley says:

    Lie

  48. Mary Alice Leavesley says:

    Like the scouts motto.."Be Prepared"

  49. One World Religion of Antichrist kingdom is on target to become a reality! These words are my sentiments also… QUOTE: “Any Protestant ministry that links up with the pope and Catholicism is betraying the sacrifice of millions of faithful Christians that have died at the hands of this brutal, dictatorial and oppressive religion that has never represented the Church of the Living God as outlined in New Testament teaching…” Prayerfully consider two volumes with encyclopedic evidence: http://zionsgate.wordpress.com/2012/07/28/939/ and also: http://zionsgate.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/exo-vaticana-book-review/

  50. Dan (required) says:

    I still believe brothers and sisters in Christ that nothing really matters until we first have a temple. Keep your eyes on the dome of the rock. Something will happen unexpected that will destroy this site. Maybe an earth quake but maybe a bombing. In the 70′s there was plans to blow the dome up by a group of Israelis. But, the plot was stopped by members in the Israeli government because of fear that it would disrupt the worlds acceptance of a state of Israel that was already being contested by the Palestinians.

    • MRH says:

      “I still believe brothers and sisters in Christ that nothing really matters until we first have a temple. Keep your eyes on the dome of the rock. Something will happen unexpected that will destroy this site”

      @Dan: The Dome actually covers the place where Abraham offered up Issac, and where the second temple stood.. according to varied sources. In fact the Dome itself is nothing more than a huge empty cavern, with a giant mound of open dirt and rock exposed at it’s center. As for it’s future destruction, I imagine it will be by missile.

      http://youtu.be/vs27BkLkYq0

      P.S. Daniels final week can’t begin as long as the Dome prevails :(

  51. Mary Alice Leavesley says:

    Faith without works is dead….Yes we are saved through faith…but no one will know if you don't express it by works…It won't be like works if you love the Lord,it is in honoring Him. .But by our own works only..we can't obtain our salvation..Jesus did it All for All of Us….

  52. Mary Alice Leavesley says:

    It isn't religion…It is Jesus to believe in..and him only…If places of worship do not preach Jesus virgin birth, death on the cross and ressurection…jesus the way, truth and light(.life).turn away and don't look back…

  53. Mary Alice Leavesley Yes but catholic doctrines say good works merit one salvation .

  54. Killian Elf says:

    Mary Alice Leavesley
    The current times aren't hard enough for you? And as far as anyone being deserving of God's grace…no one is or ever will be. That is why it is a gift.

  55. Mary Alice Leavesley says:

    Wow..There are as many comments as are religions and denominations. We all better check out the truth for ourselves..For we are accountable for what we know. We have been given precious time to search the scriptures daily and prove what we see and hear is biblically sound. I have heard people say that they do not want to open the bible..because, if they do..they will be expected to do or not do what it says. That is a scarey position to be in.

  56. Angel Young says:

    yes Daniel Phillips catholic doctrines are wrong.

  57. Mickee Hicks says:

    this is very sad, we can not unite such differences

  58. Theresa Lopez says:

    The bible says one church, on truth …there can't be many truths..All roads will lead to rome..Its biblical. Its prophecy..Thank God..and I am waiting for the great day we will all be one.

    • MRH says:

      Uhmm.. ‘all roads lead to Rome’ is not biblical prophecy :(

      P.S. There is only one true church, the ‘body of Christ’ :)

    • Brenda Murphy says:

      You are waiting for the antichrist, then…for he will unite all the false religions, into the worshipping of….Himself!

  59. Theresa Lopez says:

    your saying me as a catholic …is not Christian. how did you come that conclusion.

  60. Theresa Lopez says:

    no so Daniel philllips. …ask a catholic instead of listening to anti-Catholic propaganda, anti catholics and misquided preachers.

  61. Theresa Lopez says:

    how do u know my doctrines are wrong. who told you this?

  62. Anonymous says:

    Theresa Lopez christians do not use a priest, there is no sacrifice. Jesus said it is finished

  63. Paul Redman says:

    Elaine Loftus Gray I agree with your central tenet- basically I believe that Man IS flawed, but Christ is not. Man- the earthly representation of Christ in the Church- on his own is wicked, sinful, lustful, etc. and on, and on. It is only through Christ that Man can find salvation and redemption before God. Right with you on that. Looking at things in a historical perspective, it is easy to see why the Church would want control of society. Mass in Latin, for example. To people that up until the 18th Century, largely could not read for themselves. The populace DEPENDED upon the Church for the Word. Depended upon clergy for translation and interpretation. I get that the Church was given to Peter (the Rock) and that the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against her. But if we go back to that true premise that Man is fundamentally flawed, is Man in control of the Word really good for the benefit of society at large? Denominations to me are perfect example of Man's flaws. King Henry couldn't get the divorce he wanted, so he switched religions so that he could scratch his proverbial itch and get what he wanted. Nothing divine about that, surely. However, I would also argue that as controlling as the Church may attempt to be, we also surely can see what a lack of public practice of religion can have on society. Now, I don't doubt nor challenge Biblical prophecy. But to call the Church as all evil I think would be false, too. Christmas and Easter are not about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, as you would suggest. These are secular ideals meant to detract and distract from the true "reason for the season", as it were. One would be wise to not confuse the two.

  64. Mary Alice Leavesley says:

    Can our world be any more evil? destructive?liars?It is almost like the very commandments of God have been done away with. I don't know how much more God can take from his beloved family. He loves us so much..and what do we do in return???God gave us his commandments for us to love God & to show this love to others and ourselves…..we will never see peace worldwide..thats why I am waiting for Jesus return. The best is yet to come…Amen

  65. Mary Alice Leavesley says:

    Daniel Phillips Catholisism says alot of things that aren't exactly gospel.. Being raised catholic and having a baptist mother…my father spoke of the rath of God, if I didn't do good..and my mother told me how much Jesus loved me.I have journeyed to find the balance and the real truth.

  66. Jim Ehling says:

    My treasure is in heaven, not here on earth.

  67. Mary Alice Leavesley says:

    Jim Ehling this is the first time in a very long time I have commented. This topic is very interesting to say the least. . I believe God provides for my needs…sometimes for my wants..but I try not to get too worldly in what I want..I'd be weiry of this Illuminati. There is alot of boasting on prosperity thru some church s..but that doesn't fit with my perception of God's teaching. We should be good stewards of what we have. There are examples of the talents given 3 men. We can multiply what we have legally..but it shouldn't be an obsession.and then theres the rich man who was told to sell all he had and follow him….

  68. Jim Ehling says:

    Mary Alice Leavesley Seek ye first the kingdom of God and all these things shall be added unto you Mat. 6:33

  69. Mary Alice Leavesley says:

    God's chosen people (His Bride)are not necessarily in a building (church)He knows what is in the heart of every single person alive,as he knows that of the deceased.we should not be so critical with catholics…They only know what they have been taught. but I do ask them to do some studying on their own from the bible. We will be accountable for what we know and to be true to it. We should all be missionarys (deciples) I have preached a better sermon by my actions than be my words. nobody wants to be preached to…only when asked. God first, others, than yourself.

    • MRH says:

      @Mary: The Catholic church and other such false religious institutions, instruct their victims in their church doctrines, not necessarily as the bible declares :(

  70. What will happen if people don't want his way? I don't want to be a Catholic so where would that put me?

    • MRH says:

      At the chopping block I’m afraid :(

      Rev 20:4 KJV – And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

  71. Mary Alice Leavesley says:

    Lucy Balboa The more I read comments, the more I agree,,we all need to do some homework, Satan is running around like a wolf in sheeps clothing..looking for whom he can devour in his falsehood. He knows he has but a short time and we are getting desensatized to the what was known to be wrong into being right. We need to look
    around us as if Jesus was right there next to us. What is he seeing and hearing?

  72. Dan Bailey says:

    Elaine Loftus Gray. Jim Staley is what god would call a false prophet. As Jesus said in end times the world will be full of false prophets, that will lead people astray.

  73. Actually the Church is not raptured before the tribulation. That is a heresy that is taught only here in America and was never taught by the Apostles or the leaders of the early church. There will be many falling away because of that false teaching.

    • MRH says:

      Actually the church will absolutely be needed during tribulation, to instruct and warn the Jews in things ;)

      P.S. If the believers are gone before, then whom could warn the Jews? For certain not the heathen, as they wouldn’t have a clue. Plus they would be too busy partying to even care. So the bewildered Jews would be on their own, and all get killed before repenting. Nice thought?

  74. If the Final False Prophet spoken of in Revelation 13 is indeed Pope Francis .. then >> I'm expecting << all of the secular humanistic left / atheistic / false-religious-system / anti-christ / homosexual / and all the Biblical Harlot folk spoken about in Revelation 17 to glob-on to / applaud / accept and follow this guy .. He will literally rally them all together >> UNITY << will indeed be the theme …… My real point of observation will be IF & WHEN Pope Francis gets on the same page with and starts pointing to and singing the praises of a particular (RISING STAR) powerful political figure …….. time will tell ……… http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=801#p801

  75. Roy M Cooper … maybe Jesus and the Bride can elope ?? … http://www.dadmansabode.com

  76. Now The End Begins That is not true. The Pre-tribulation rapture is not a bible doctrine. It was never taught by Christ or the apostles or the early Church leaders.The fact that John Nelson Darby invented the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine around 1830 AD is unquestionably true. All attempts to find evidence of this wild doctrine before 1830 have failed. Prior to 1830, no church taught it in their creed, catechism or statement of faith.

    • MRH says:

      Sandra, you do know that you can’t teach an old dog new tricks? :(

      P.S. Folks should read 1 Cor 15, as it explains everything concerning the rapture topic, it’s; origin, nature, timing, etc ;)

  77. Theresa Lopez …. more on Catholicism http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=768#p768 … Salvation is in Jesus … not an organization

  78. While I may not agree with the Catholic church in some things, there are true Christians in the Catholic church just as there are true Christians in the Protestant churches. Just as there are heretics in both. One does not have the right to judge another man's heart.

  79. Amy Lewis says:

    All Christians should WAKE UP and prepare for the RAPTURE. Christ tells us to WATCH AND PRAY. Don't be like the 5 foolish virgins. The RAPTURE can OCCUR any moment now. Don't be a left behind.

    • MRH says:

      What is there to prepare for? All true believers will be raptured when the time arrives ;)

      P.S. Those left behind are unbelievers, but they still can be saved :)

  80. Amy Lewis says:

    One world religion is what's being worked on now!
    I don't plan to be a part of it.

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  82. Theresa Lopez says:

    frankocel …priest are mentioned all over scripture. we do not sacrifice. you need to take a class on catholic by Catholics. not protestants. The very first Christians were Catholics. Ask me anything you don't understand and I will explain. for one thing you all are hung up on works. Like we have to do good works to get to heaven and that is all you zero in on. If you only know the beauty of Catholicism you would die of joy. Its wonderful and very holy life of prayer, love and understanding. We do not criticize other faith, we accept, we connect by the love of the same God we worship. Your God and my God are one in the same.

  83. Theresa Lopez says:

    yes so many people are becoming catholics or coming back..just in our diocese of 1 million in Houston, 2000 came into the church in April on Easter Sunday How wonderful. One faith, one truth, one bread, one body and one who loves us all…muslim or jew, etc. we don't talk about end times, or rapture. we talk about now, how we must all come together to love one another regardless of creed.

  84. Theresa Lopez says:

    Christ religion is Catholic. Catholic means universal. We are the universal church founded on the faith of Peter the apostle. And its still surviving after 2000 years no matter what schism or scandals that people make in it. And it will be standing till the end of time..your time when u die. Nobody knows the end. only God does.

  85. Theresa Lopez says:

    You must remember the bible is a catholic book given to all faiths by the church of jesus chirst. if it were not for the catholic church you would not have a bible. it was put together by councils of bishops who approved the books or canons that are in it. so why not go to the author of the book for the correct meanings of scripture. for the first 300 years after Christ died there was no bible. just hearsay stories. there were many who were splintering off by heresies so the early church decided to get the bible together for usage as a guide for truth of history of the faith. The catholic church uses the bible more than any other faith. we use many gospels of old and new testament in our daily mass all over the world. If u want to know the correct way of how we believe and worship ask us. don't ask those who are afraid of us or think we are the antichrist or whore of Babylon. That gets so old. most protestant believe nothing true of Catholicism.

  86. Theresa Lopez says:

    The Catholic church is not oppressive. Its open an inviting. No one is forced to be catholic. We are free to accept the will of God who opens our hearts to allow us to feel and love and worship. I am a faithful Christian that happens to be Catholic. I follow the commandments, I go to church every Sunday. I am active in prayer life and church life. I love persons. I do not judge other faiths and say they are not Christian. Or I do not judge them and say they are going to hell for believing a certain way. The most sacred part of our faith is the holy Eucharist that we absorb in our bodies and our souls. By partaking of the Eucharist we are doing what Jesus asked us to do at the last supper. we must do what he asked us in memory. We are the only faith that does this. He says, Take my body,eat it, take my blood, drink it. We believe if we do what he says and believe he is really present in a transubstantiated host, we have life eternal. Read John Chapter 6. the bread of life discourses. If you do not believe he is really the bread transformed. , you will not have enteral life.

  87. Teresa says:

    THANK you everybody that responded to my RCC questions.

  88. Spot on Mary.I just believe in Yahweh & his son Yeshua.Normally on the Sabbath(Sat not pagan sunday) I watch online and read bible etc.No fellowship in my part of the world.

  89. Julie Chalfant Capes says:

    I agree Geoffrey, the rapture will indeed happen before the tribulation, thats not to say the church will not go through anymore tribulation, persecutions….as we have for centuries already… Those who disregard the rapture will be in for a rude awakening..

    • MRH says:

      @Julie: Tribulation and persecution will prevail until millennium ;)

      P.S. The church is delivered before the end, that’s all we know :)

  90. Julie Chalfant Capes says:

    Elaine Loftus Gray I have to say I disagree respectfully with what you're saying here. God is wooing the church at present because we are in the dispensation of grace, not of the law…and of salvation which is predominantly for the Gentiles, although it was meant for the Jew first. The Jew rejected Jesus and his salvation, so it was passed on to the Gentile. The church will leave in the rapture, then God will turn to the Jews. God deals with one people at a time… Matthew 224 def speaks to the Jew.

  91. Julie Chalfant Capes says:

    Henco, the true church HAS been persecuted for many centuries. It was in hiding for many years, underground… Of course it has emerged and is awaiting for the bridegroom…

  92. Julie Chalfant Capes says:

    Vern, The tribulation is meant for the Jewish nation. NOT the church. Read up on Jacobs trouble, which will be the time of tribulation for the Jews.

    • MRH says:

      @Julie: Correct, as it clearly states in the Gospels ;)

      Luk 21:20-24 KJV – And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

      P.S. The last time I checked, Jerusalem is located in Israel, NOT; America, Canada, Mexico, etc? And as I recall there are three main religions there; Judaism, Christianity, and Islam?

  93. Johnny Ward says:

    [Saw the following on the web. It says a lot!!!]

    PRETRIB RAPTURE STEALTH !

    Many evangelicals believe that Christ will "rapture" them to heaven years before the second coming and (most importantly) well BEFORE Antichrist and his "tribulation." But Acts 2:34, 35 reveal that Jesus is at the Father's right hand in heaven until He leaves to destroy His earthly foes at the second coming. And Acts 3:21 says that Jesus “must” stay in heaven with the Father "until the times of restitution of all things” which includes, says Scofield, “the restoration of the theocracy under David’s Son” which obviously can’t begin before or during Antichrist’s reign. See also Heb. 10:12, 13. ("The Rapture Question," by longtime No. 1 pretrib expert John Walvoord, didn't dare to even list, in its scripture index, the above Acts verses! They were also too hot for John Darby – the so-called "father of dispensationalism" – to list in the scripture index in his "Letters"!)
    Paul explains the “times and the seasons” (I Thess. 5:1) of the catching up (I Thess. 4:17) as the “day of the Lord” (5:2) which FOLLOWS the posttrib sun/moon darkening (Matt. 24:29; Acts 2:20) WHEN “sudden destruction” (5:3) of the wicked occurs! The "rest" for "all them that believe" is also tied to such destruction in II Thess. 1:6-10! (If the wicked are destroyed before or during the trib, who'd be left alive to serve the Antichrist?) Paul also ties the change-into-immortality “rapture” (I Cor. 15:52) to the end of trib “death” (15:54). (Will death be ended before or during the trib? Of course not! And vs. 54 is also tied to Isa. 25:8 which Scofield views as Israel's posttrib resurrection!) It's amazing that the Olivet Discourse contains the "great commission" for the church but not even a hint of a pretrib rapture for the church!
    Many don't know that before 1830 all Christians had always viewed I Thess. 4’s “catching up” as an integral part of the final second coming to earth. In 1830 this "rapture" was stretched forward and turned into an idolized separate coming of Christ. To further strengthen their novel view, which evangelical scholars overwhelmingly rejected throughout the 1800s, pretrib teachers in the early 1900s began to stretch forward the “day of the Lord” (what Darby and Scofield never dared to do) and hook it up with their already-stretched-forward “rapture.” Many leading evangelical scholars still weren’t convinced of pretrib, so pretrib teachers then began teaching that the “falling away” of II Thess. 2:3 is really a pretrib rapture (the same as saying that the “rapture” in 2:3 must happen before the “rapture” ["gathering"] in 2:1 can happen – the height of desperation!). Google "Walvoord Melts Ice" for more on this, and also Google "Pretrib Rapture Pride."
    Other Google articles on the 184-year-old pretrib rapture view include “X-Raying Margaret,” "Margaret Macdonald's Rapture Chart," "Pretrib Rapture's Missing Lines," "Edward Irving is Unnerving," "The Unoriginal John Darby," "Catholics Did NOT Invent the Rapture," "The Real Manuel Lacunza," “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “Wily Jeffrey,” “The Rapture Index (Mad Theology),” “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism,” “Scholars Weigh My Research,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” "Appendix F: Thou Shalt Not Steal," "Pretrib Rapture Secrecy," “Deceiving and Being Deceived,” "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty," "Famous Rapture Watchers," and "Morgan Edwards' Rapture View" – most by the author of the bestselling book “The Rapture Plot” (the most accurate and documented book on pretrib rapture history which is obtainable by calling 800.643.4645).
    PS – For some final shocks Yahoo or Google "The Background Obama Can't Cover Up" and "Franklin Graham's Warning."

  94. Terri Horn says:

    To Elaine Gray. 25% of the Bible is all about the 2nd coming of Christ. If you do not believe in his second coming how can you believe anything in the Bible? If anyone thing is proven false then people would not have faith. Jesus was also Jewish and God has not forsaken the Jews despite what others think. Get Dr. John McTernan's book "As America has done to Israel" and prepare to be amazed. I first heard about the 2nd coming in spring of 1976(I was in 8th grade) the things they said would happend seemed like it would never happen in my lifetime. Guess what I see prophecy being fufilled before my very eyes. You will know prophecy is true if you are left behind and you see the actuall one world government and the one world religion. Funny years ago people made fun of me for believing that and now we can see what was prophesied in the Bible and NOW is when you doubt the 2nd coming of Christ???You need to study the Bible yourself and not allow the Hebrew Roots to tell you what to believe in. Read in Mathew (sermon of the mt) all prophetic. One will be taken and one left????Yes when Jesus comes again the Jewish people left will accept him as thier lord and savior and realize what they did so many years ago when they allowed him to die. Show me ANYWHERE in the Bible that God has disowned his people? It is impossible for him to change his mind or to lie. He is a just and loving God but he has a covenant with the Jewish people and even though they allowed his son to die on the cross they are still and always will be his people. Christianity did not start out as a Gentile religion, it was a JEWISH religion. I like to think of Christianity as not a religion but should be a way of life. Religions pick and choose what they what their church to stand for. So Christianity is not a religion, but protestant, lutheran, etc those are Christian religions. Make sense. But seriously study things yourself and do not let anyone influence you. Come to your own decision and not what others have said. If you study prophecy with an open mind and realize Jesus fulfilled 109 prophecies of the first coming you should not doubt the 2nd coming will be fulfilled like the first. There is more in the Bible about the second coming then about the first coming so which do you think our Lord and Savior thinks is more important?

  95. DEBORAH says:

    ROMANS 10 AND 9 SAYS IF U CONFESS WITH UR MOUTH THE LORD JESUS AND BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART THAT GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD YOU WILL BE SAVED!!!
    THE BOTTOM LINE AND IT’S JUST THAT SIMPLE FOLKS!!!

    • Rob [Southafrica] says:

      Yeah the Hebrews also were “saved” by the blood of the Lamb on their doorposts in Egypt. ..> Then the Father destroyed them all with exception of two [Calib and Joshua] in the wilderness.

      Why? Because they also relied only on the blood of the Lamb and did not want to follow the instructions[Laws]

      • MRH says:

        Uhmm.. the Jews were under law covenant, whereas the church is under grace covenant. The two covenants are not the same, and in fact vastly different. Please read the NT church epistles, as that is our message today. The OT and Gospels are of the law not grace!

    • Darah says:

      Amen! Jesus was our Passover Lamb, it is simple it is mans traditions that complicate the Gospel. You said it well Deborah!

    • MRH says:

      Yes true Deborah, but it seems that believers don’t want simplicity and freedom. They rather desire to remain under ‘law’ bondage, as evidenced in the mainstream church :(

      P.S. Islam is much worse even, as Muslims aren’t servants, but rather slaves unto Allah.. or Satan :(

  96. Brenda Murphy says:

    We cannot tell God anything that He doesn’t know….but if we listen with spiritual ears, to hear, then God can tell us a lot of things…things that we NEED to know.

    He is the healer of my soul. Amen.

    Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
    Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
    Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

    Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
    Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
    Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

    WE can break God’s heart by offending Him.

  97. Reid Fox says:

    The 7 year treaty and the pre-trib rapture are both Jesuit heresy.

    Matthew 24
    29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    • MRH says:

      “The 7 year treaty and the pre-trib rapture are both Jesuit heresy”

      I’m not certain of that, but for certain the bible teaches neither fallacy. But nor does the bible teach that the church will endure the tribulation. And for certain the church will not be present during the wrath, which includes the mark of the beast :)

  98. I hope you are right Geoffrey but there seems to be a lot of opinion out there that the church will go through it.I'm a bit confused on the matter.

    • Brenda Murphy says:

      Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
      Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
      Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    • MRH says:

      Brian: The church is raptured before the end, not before tribulation. Check my other posts here, as they explain in detail ;)

  99. Angel Young says:

    Theresa Lopez NO, IF YOU ONLY KNEW THE BEAUTY OF THE CROSS YOU WOULD DIE OF JOY NOT THE BEAUTY OF CATHOLICISM as you said… No your God is not the same as mine now, I'm an x catholic,. I used to confess my sins to priests not because I want to but because everybody else is doing it. until the day I gave my heart to Jesus I met my heavenly Father I thank God for the cross and the precious blood of Jesus that cleanes all my sins past, present and future. He changed me and transformed my heart to do His will not my will. Gods loves everyone but not everyone loves God. That's my God. May God bless sis!

  100. Theresa Lopez says:

    so what your saying angie is that your a better Christian than me..well the bible says.
    "Do not judge and you yourself will not be judged" And this is from the lips of Jesus Christ. So your not living up to the words of scripture. I am sorry that you did not understand confession. Mostly likely you were not an educated Catholic. I too am transformed in the beauty of the church founded by Christ Jesus. I want to know who your God is.. My god is the father, son and holy spirit in the Lord of the first patriarchs of the Old Testament to the New. My God is the God of Abraham, Moses, and David. May God give u the grace to melt away arrogance, intolerance and pride. And that your heart may soften to the Catholics. We are not an evil institution or promote evil. Bless you and you loved ones.

    • MRH says:

      “We are not an evil institution or promote evil”

      @Theresa: I’m afraid you are being deceived as are many others. All of the major religious institutions are dark temples in varied ways. Designed to draw in the lost wandering crowd, and then cast the yoke of bondage upon them. Those trapped inside these dark temples are instructed by their temple doctrines. As Jesus warned, flee from the false churches :(

      Luk 21:8 KJV – And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

  101. Ron Andrews says:

    Elaine Loftus Gray I would love to know what bible your reading.

  102. Ron Andrews says:

    Thats right! Do not focus on negative thoughts, Jesus told us not to.

  103. Ron Andrews says:

    We are prepared Amy not sure about some on here.

  104. This has always been the catholic church's goal and just how are they going to put all religions into one and let everyone worship the way they want.. It is a power grab and once they have the power it will be the middle ages again. Religions can get along with each other better but I be damned if I will answer to a leader of one of the religions for everything I do or say in my worship. Like I said before the coffer are getting empty for the catholic church, they are losing clout and becoming a has been religion and that hurts their lifestyle.

    • MRH says:

      I’m afraid it’s much more worse than what you think. Their end goal is globalization period; government, economy, religion. Which will involve mass depopulation and enslavement. Rebels will be cut off and killed :(

  105. From East, West, North and South it's All About Muslim Violence, Islamic Terrorism and Islamic Fighting Jihad. As A Matter Of Fact, Muslim's Persecution Is Being Felt Around The Word:
    Muslims FIGHT against Christians
    Muslims FIGHT against Hindus
    Muslims FIGHT against Buddhist
    Muslims FIGHT against Jews
    Muslims FIGHT against Sikh
    Muslims FIGHT against Atheist
    Muslims FIGHT against Druze
    Muslims FIGHT against free thinkers
    Muslims FIGHT against Kurds
    Sunni Muslims FIGHT against Shia Muslims
    Muslims FIGHT against Americans
    Muslims FIGHT against Western Values
    Muslims FIGHT against Democracy and Freedom (expression, religion, speech, etc)
    Muslims FIGHT against Muslims Leaving Islam (Apostate/Kafir/Infidel)
    Islamic Terrorist Muslims FIGHT against secular Muslims

    Not All Muslims Are Terrorists But 99% Of All Terrorist Attacks Are Muslims and/or Muslim Groups Like:

    • Al-Qaeda: based Worldwide.
    • The Taliban: based in Pakistan.
    • Hezbollah: based in Lebanon
    • Al-Shabaab: meaning (“The Youth” or “The Youngsters”) based in Somalia, Uganda and Kenya.
    • Boko Haram: meaning (Western Education Is A Sin) based in Nigeria.
    • Palestinian Islamic Jihad's (PIJ):
    • The Muslim Brotherhood: based in Egypt.
    • Lashkar-e Tayyiba (LET): meaning (Army of the Righteous) based in South Asia but mainly in Pakistan.
    • Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM): meaning (Army of Mohammed) based in Kashmir.(Pakistan)
    • Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades: based in Palestine.
    • Jemaah Islamiah (JI): based in Southeast Asia, Indonesia.
    • The Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG): based in Libya.
    • Tanzim Qa'idat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn (QJBR):
    • The Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters (BIFF): based in Mindanao, the Philippines.
    • Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine: based in Palestine.
    • Armed Islamic Group (GIA): based in Algeria.
    • The Indian Mujahideen: based in India.
    • Jama'at al-Tawid wal-Jihad: based in Iraq.
    • Youth Islamic [Mujahideen] Movement: based in Somalia.
    • Janjaweed Militia Group: based in Sudan.

    "ISLAMIC JIHADIST TERRORIST HAS CARRIED OUT MORE 23,134 TERROR ATTACKS IN THE NAME OF ALLAH SINCE 2001".

    MUSLIMS ARE NOT HAPPY THESE COUNTRIES:
    They're not happy in Gaza.
    They're not happy in Egypt.
    They're not happy in Libya.
    They're not happy in Morocco.
    They're not happy in Iran.
    They're not happy in Iraq.
    They're not happy in Yemen.
    They're not happy in Bangladesh.
    They're not happy in Afghanistan.
    They're not happy in Pakistan.
    They're not happy in Syria.
    They're not happy in Lebanon.
    They're not happy in Nigeria.
    They're not happy in Chad.
    They're not happy in Somalia.
    SO, WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY?
    They're happy in Canada.
    They're happy in Australia.
    They're happy in New Zealand.
    They're happy in Spain.
    They're happy in Ireland.
    They're happy in United Kingdom
    They're happy in Italy.
    They're happy in Japan.
    They're happy in Germany.
    They're happy in England.
    They're happy in France.
    They're happy in Sweden
    They're happy in Finland
    They're happy in Norway.
    They're happy in the USA.
    They're happy in every country that is not Islamic! And who do they blame?
    Not Islam.
    Not their leadership.
    Not themselves.
    THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!
    AND THEY WANT TO CHANGE THEM TO BE LIKE THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM, WHERE THEY WERE SO UNHAPPY.
    Doesn't Quite Make Sense. Does It?

  106. Billy Whittaker says:

    Can you say antichrist?…..this pope is it, no doubt now, he is sucking in all who will be deceived, beware this jesuit in a white robe…..

  107. Angel Young says:

    No Theresa Lopez I'm not better than anyone and I'm not juding you. God love both of us the same, but I don't believe anymore what you believe. With all my heart I believe there is only one way to salvation is through Jesus Christ nothing more nothing less.

  108. The Bible is very clear on a pre-trib rapture. We are not appointed unto wrath and Jesus said, He will keep us from the hour of testing, not through it.

  109. Kevin Warren says:

    Now The End Begins For 1800 years post-trib Rapture was doctrine. Pre-trib Rapture is a relatively new belief. That said, pre or post is a secondary issue. The Rapture will occur and for all Christians, that's what really matters.

    • MRH says:

      @Kevin: According to scripture, the end occurs after tribulation, and the rapture occurs right before the end :)

      Mat 24:13-14 KJV – But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

      1Co 15:22-24 KJV – For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

      P.S. Why do all pre-trib folk continually ignore the obvious? :(

  110. Mary Alice Leavesley says:

    Elaine Loftus Gray I do not know jim Staley..so I cannot judge. But I do know that the church has shifted from keeping God's Sabbath to keeping mans Sunday.basically after the sun god There had to be a way to turn pagans to worship God and put a separation from the Jewish Sabbath. Alot of the holidays are from Pagan origin. Jesus and his followers followed the Sabbath and in the 4th commandment it says Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy. and many texts throughout scripture it says if you Love me..keep my commandments. Only by loving God and our neighbors as ourselves, can we even obey God…We need Jesus..we fail miserably..like Paul said..why is it that I do what I know not to do?/ it is our sinful nature we have to fight with..It is not easy to be a true bible believing christain today, because we should be different from the world and have God's light shining in us. christianity is luke warm..It is descenceatized to alot of evil around us. It is only when we take Jesus with us and try to see, thru his eyes, can we really see the truth.Amazing Grace…

  111. Mary Alice Leavesley That passage in James is referring to works of faith not "works of the law" there is a huge difference and that difference is heart motive. 1Samuel 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart. When we receive Jesus,(you must be born again) our spirits are made perfect(Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
    Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel). then our souls are transformed by the renewing of the mind (Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.) In other words it is from the inside out rather than the outside in as Jesus told the Pharisees (Matthew 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
    Matthew23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.) So the works James speaks of are works of faith motivated by the love of God that is shed abroad in hearts by the Holy Ghost, so see it is about our motivation, are we motivated by God's love in us or are we motivated by trying to "EARN" salvation, only God knows the hearts!

    • MRH says:

      “That passage in James is referring to works of faith not “works of the law” there is a huge difference and that difference is heart motive.

      So the works James speaks of are works of faith motivated by the love of God that is shed abroad in hearts by the Holy Ghost, so see it is about our motivation, are we motivated by God’s love in us or are we motivated by trying to “EARN” salvation, only God knows the hearts!”

      @LeeAnn: Thank you for explaining things, as I’ve long struggled with that chapter. Basically, the context is sanctification, not salvation? After all we are saved but once by grace, and afterwards continually sanctified by our works ;)

  112. Sandra Hanford We are not appointed unto wrath. Jesus said He will keep us from the hour of testing, not through it.

  113. Brian McArthur You don't need to be confused. I am not confused because the Bible is very clear on this issue. We are not appointed unto wrath. Jesus also said, He will keep us from the hour of testing, not through it. No need to be confused. The church is gone in Revelation chapter 4 and not mentioned again until we return with Him to rule and reign for 1000 years.

    • MRH says:

      “The church is gone in Revelation chapter 4 and not mentioned again until we return with Him to rule and reign for 1000 years”

      @Karen: Not mentioned true, but not necessarily gone. Anyway, I believe Revelation is a much misunderstood book :(

      P.S. Check out my name link for my recent Revelation study ;-)

    • Brenda Murphy says:

      Only the martyrs reign with Christ.

      Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

      • MRH says:

        “Only the martyrs reign with Christ.”

        Brenda: I’m afraid you’re biblically wrong yet once again :(

        1Co 6:2-3 KJV – Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

        P.S. All the saints in the rapture will occupy thrones during the millenium ;)

        Rev 20:4 KJV – And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

        • Brenda Murphy says:

          The saints are the martyrs, give it up, Mark. :)

          • MRH says:

            @Brenda: Yes the martyrs will be saints, else they wouldn’t be martyrs ;)

            P.S. The vast saints listing covers; past, present, and future believers. The heathen or gentiles are the only non-saints :)

  114. Elaine Loftus Gray How do you interpret I Thessalonians 4:17?

  115. Karen DeSanto No it is not. It is very clear that Christians will go through all persecution. The rapture occurs when Christ comes back. We will meet Him in the air and return to earth with Him immediately for the Judgment Day. Christ did not promise that we will not face persecution. Instead He warns us that it will come.

  116. Julie Chalfant Capes God does not deal with one people at a time. How do you explain the parable of the vine. We, the Gentiles, are grafted into the vine. Those Jews who reject Him are taken off the vine and burn. Those who believe are kept on the vine.

  117. Karen DeSanto When He said that He would keep from persecution. Only verse that comes near to what you are trying to claim is 1 Thessalonians 5: 9 which states: "For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ," In other words, we will not face God's wrath because we were destined to obtain salvation through Jesus Christ. Don't take Scripture out of context to prove what you want it to say. There is NO pre-tribulation rapture because it was never taught by the Church until 1830 when Darby came up with it.

  118. Karen DeSanto He never said He would keep us from the hour of testing. For if we do not go through such an hour, how we prove that we are His?

  119. Karen DeSanto Again you are taking Scripture out of context to support your belief. Paul was writing to the Thessalonians because they asked him about those who have already died. Paul responded: “For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.” 1 Thessalonians 4: 16-17. The verses above these two states that those who "have fallen asleep" will come with the Lord and thus the people should have hope to meet their love ones who have accepted Christ. How to expect a secret pre-tribulation rapture if Christ comes back with a cry of command, a voice of an archangel, and the sound of the trumpet? All the world will know when Christ comes back because all will hear and see. Those of His who are alive will meet Him in the air and come back down with Him.

  120. That verse about the 7th trumpet is misunderstood by many. I've always believed in a pre-trib rapture, but after reading Jack Van Impe's book called Revelation Revealed, I understood the entire book of Revelation much better. The seals do not start until we are raptured. Then the 21 judgments begin.

  121. Theresa Lopez Read church history about the brutal torture, murder, and other atrocities committed by the Roman Catholic Church against both true Christians and Jews. Do you know anything about 'The Inquisition'? Why do you think the Pilgrims and the Puritans came to America? If anyone was caught with a Bible (by the Jesuits- like Francis), they were subject to being burned at the stake.

    The history of the Roman church is purely pagan rituals and practices- incorporated into the early Christian church. For example- celibacy of the priesthood (Peter was married according to Scripture), the confessional- no one is to receive a believer's confession except the Father in Heaven in Jesus' Name- in private prayer only, and the worship of 'the Queen of Heaven' (Jeremiah's book clearly states there never has been nor will there ever be a queen of Heaven). These are ALL from the idolatry of Babylon.

    I refer to two books in my earlier post… both over 600 pages of evidence that reveals the truth about Roman Catholicism, and how Pope Francis has stepped into the fulfillment of an 800 year old prophecy (St. Malachy- a Bishop of Rome) that points to the False Prophet of Revelation 13. There WILL be a One-World Religion that will surrender allegiance and homage to the Antichrist! Read both books and you will then be prepared for the Tribulation Period as a Biblical Christian- who has come out of 'the Whore of Babylon'. May GOD bless you with the Wisdom of the Holy Spirit, as you seek His Face.

  122. Instead of calling people fools who have a different view than you, take time to study the book of Revelation. We are not appointed unto wrath. Jesus said, He will keep us from the hour of testing, not through it. I'm not going to be here because my Bible tells me I won't be. When that trumpet sounds and I hear the words, "Come up Hither", we are out of here whether or not some believe we will be here for it. Believe me, you will be glad that God spared us. It's going to be the worst time to live.

  123. Mary says:

    Pope Francis is trying to Unite all People (whomever wrote the above is wrong). There are no bad religions only Bad People. I for one understand his quest & praise him for it!!!! People just believe whatever they see printed before their eyes, if it is written on the internet it must be true, duh? Read the article again. Find the truth in it. We are All Brothers & Sisters & better get used to it. God bless him if he can unite us all as was God’s plan. He is putting him self out there (maybe in harms way), yet that is not an obstacle for him. For years the World has been putting the Pope down for not doing a good enough job, Well now we have one who is going up and above and they are still gripping. All I heard in most of the comments was HATE, HATE, HATE, JUDGE, JUDGE, JUDGE. I say where is the Devil in this article????? People getting information on the internet because they are too lazy to pick up their Bible & read it???? Who wants to listen to them? Just try to open up your heart to all people in this world. Love them, pray for them, do not judge, be an instrument of God. That’s what he wants of you. If you can’t do this then SHUT UP, you have nothing I want to hear. Wow, didn’t know I had all of that in me. Just saying this is one Christians thoughts, ideals, & beliefs………….I will leave you now,friends hoping you’re not upset with me but I believe you now know how I am when it come to our Lord. JESUS DIED FOR US BECAUSE HE LOVED US. What can we do for him????? It’s just not all that hard for me to understand. Just do what he asked of us. PERIOD.

    • MRH says:

      Be not deceived Mary, as the Pope is not whom he portrays himself to be :(

      P.S. The Vatican swims in occult symbolism, evidence proves things ;)

  124. JimT74 says:

    This is something all Christians must some day before the Second Coming, think about and pray about and study about: Rome is well able to hold up to the whole world nearly, the fact that ALL SHOULD follow after her! Why?

    In 1582, in October on the 4th day of that year, the world began following after the Papal Calendar of Pope Gregory XIII! Those who are keeping any day on that Calendar as a holy sabbath, or anything of that nature, you are not using the Biblical Lunisolar Calendar, you are all following after Rome! Rome lists as a reason why she is the only truth on this planet, because although she changed the sabbath (by changing the calendar – is the truth – but the Church just tells us she changed the day from the 7th day to the 1st day of the week), and so what we see is a satanic ploy at work, Satan having had the calendar changed back in BCE 86, to the Julian Pagan Roman Calendar, and then again in 1582, to the Papal Roman Calendar. ALL the days on this calendar, belong to the Papacy, and we better get right with the Creator’s teaching.

    Christ was not only our Saviour; He was also our Example, and He did not live by the Julian Calendar through His life on Earth, He lived by he Lunisolar Calendar of the Israelites, given to them, when they came out of Egypt, [circa BCE 1500]. Satan is working in places you aren’t looking, and I do love you dear people, and The Father and Son agapau you all too. Please pray about this, before it is too late!

    • We are to follow Jesus example. He never changed the sabbath…his diciples kept the sabbath, Jesus, after preaching in the synagog to the Jews, preached to the gentiles on sabbath. The biggest lie in the RCC is saying that they were given authority to change it. By who? God said that his word shall not be changed not one jot or tittle. Almost all Protestants are worshipping on Sunday..a day of the sun gods (Pagan) adoptd into christianity by RCC. So, if Protestant christians are still worshipping on sunday..as a RCC tradition..then I say, they need to do some Bible searching to justify it. Thats why the RCC (Pope) can rally up sunday worshipping people, back to the mother church from whence their forefathers fought to get away from in the reformation.We are many decendants away from those days when people died for their faith. But they brought with them many of the traditions from that mother church RCC.I am a sabbath keeper and I believe that in the end it is going to be to whom do you worship. Our Creator God, or mammon ,False god Satan. It is a spiritual warfare, and alot of people do not have on their spiritual eyesight. Best wake up everybody.Put on your spiritual armour and get ready for war. a war for our minds, body and soul…Jesus is the only way, truth and Life. Pope Francis, as nice as it seems to be unifying all..will not be able to unite in same spirit..Jesus is coming for his Bride..will you be ready?

      • MRH says:

        “We are to follow Jesus example. He never changed the sabbath…his diciples kept the sabbath, Jesus, after preaching in the synagog to the Jews, preached to the gentiles on sabbath”

        @Mary: The sabbath was a day of total rest, not of any works (preaching is a work). Both Jesus and his disciples indeed did varied works on the sabbath. And the only way to honorably keep the sabbath is to stay home and rest. Going to church already is breaking the sabbath. And so by strict biblical sabbath law, all you self-claimed sabbath keepers should be put to death ;)

        Exo 16:29 KJV – See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

        Exo 31:15 KJV – Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

        Exo 35:2-3 KJV – Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death. Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

        Jhn 5:18 KJV – Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

        Act 17:2 KJV – And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

        Col 2:16 KJV – Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

  125. Rob [Southafrica] says:

    Mary says:June 10, 2014 at 10:35 pm…>>”…There are no bad religions only Bad People…”

    There are only two paths dear Mary and only two seed lines, the good and the bad.

    Note that in the book Revelation there are no/non denominational names of Christian churches above the entrances/gates into our Fathers city.

    Rev 21:10 He carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,…
    Rev 21:12 having a great and high wall; having twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel.

    • Mary says:

      Thought no 2 Just for you Rob, since your ears must have been plugged & you did not get it!! What I was saying! It is so simple, just do as our Lord says & this world would be a better place to live! Your comment had nothing to do with what I was trying to get across. So here you go, thought No 2
      Those of you (and there are many), who do not understand what the Pope is trying to do is like that song. “you can’t see the forest for the Trees.” Try looking outside the box. There are no bad Religion, only Bad People!! Which do you want to be ? The word Catholic (for those of you who never bothered to look it up) means UNIVERSAL. We accept everyone. (Someone has to) Try to think of Our Pope as someone who is trying to create peace among all Mankind. He is no different than Joel Osteen or any other Evangelist & I don’t hear any of you haters putting them down. I say check in the mirror and take a good, hard, look at your own self before you start throwing stones. We are all brothers and sisters & you better get used to it!! So shut up and start getting with the program before someone starts thinking you haters are the Devil in disguise. If you don’t have anything to say that is positive …..just SHUT UP, please, please, please! Look in your Bible instead of the internet to get your answers. The Bible is all about what our Lord wants in this world he created and that is Love, Love, Love. Remember he died on the cross for our sins? Why are you creating more disruption? Why is there Hate in your heart when you call yourself a Christian? Hypocrites!!!! Get on your knees and beg for God’s forgiveness. Just stop for a minute and wonder {what the heck am I talking about when I am getting my information from the internet?} I SAY hurray for Pope Francis he is doing something most of the people on God’s earth would not have the nerve to! Da Ya Get It????

      • Tracy says:

        @Mary,
        With all due respect, I believe that you need to get into your Bible and study a bit more. God is our Master, not your Pope who sometimes walks around with a crown (?) on his head. He is just an ordinary man, nothing more.
        My pastor preaches love of fellow-man also; but too, he knows that he is just a man saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, and preaches scripture from God’s Holy Word.

      • Brenda Murphy says:

        Jas 5:9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.

        • Tracy says:

          @Brenda,
          Be very careful; didn’t I see in one of your post above (June 10, 9.59 a.m.) you referred to the Catholic Church as having the antichrist spirit, and is just a decoy to throw Christians off.
          Better pay attention………………….

          • Brenda Murphy says:

            What???
            What do you mean, Tracy???
            I am always paying attention!
            Please explain????

          • Brenda Murphy says:

            If you can teach me something…then go ahead…..

          • Brenda Murphy says:

            We are NOT all brothers and sisters, Tracy…..only those that are born of the Spirit, the true Spirit, not the antichrist spirit!

            1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
            1Jn 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
            1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
            1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
            1Jn 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
            1Jn 2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

          • Brenda Murphy says:

            That first verse was for Mary, not you, anyway!
            It just came under yours, because I posted after you did, in reply to her.

  126. Elsa Sabit says:

    Joel Osteen need to be born again. He didn’t know the meaning of ecumenical .? It’s one religion under by Roman Catholic.. We called it one world religion, the mother of harlot the anti Christ . What kind of bible he is reading, his own bible or his own version. I called him the deceiver.

  127. Julie Chalfant Capes says:

    Esme, I'm in the church, which is the bride of Christ. I'm not of Jewish descent. That's not to say there are no Jews in the church. To be in the church , the WORD of God says in the book of acts how we must be saved

  128. Revelation 2:9 says:

    Hey, I thought that I would post this info….stupid goyim.

    Here is an excerpt,I hope you all learn something.

    Satan At The Wailing Wall
    By Brother Nathanael Kapner
    Copyright 2013

    If there’s one rite of passage that every American politician must pass through it’s doing obeisance to the Jews at the Wailing Wall.

    Even Rand Paul caved to the Jews (something his father would never do) and found himself sacrificing his own son to the Kotel Rabbi looking as if he was being led away to the slaughter.

    You see, taking the mark of the beast in order to buy Jewish admission to sell political services is every American politician’s career-dependent rite of passage.

    Now, the Jews would have us believe that there’s something sacred about the Western Wall, that it’s a remnant of the Second Temple, where paper prayers of the Goyim are snatched by the ‘Divine Presence’ who supposedly dwells in its crevices and stones.

    Dead wrong.

    The Wailing Wall is actually the remains of a Roman fortress called “Fort Antonia” built north of the actual Temple where no protruding rock ever existed but rather was built upon the Gihon Spring.

    The rock upon which the Dome of the Rock was built adjoining the Western Wall was actually the centerpiece around which Fort Antonia was built. There’s nothing sacred about this rock or this Wall.

    This is attested to by the eyewitness, Jewish historian Josephus, who also wrote in his “Jewish Wars” that the Romans left nothing above or below ground of the Second Temple so that one coming to Jerusalem thereafter would never believe a Temple ever existed.

    According to Josephus, Titus, the Roman General who razed Jerusalem to the ground in 70 AD, allowed Fort Antonia to remain to house the Tenth Legion left to monitor Roman affairs in Jerusalem.

    And thus the prophecy of Christ, “Not one stone will be left upon another,” was fulfilled. God will not be mocked.

    If you still don’t believe me, then get the book, “The Temples That Jerusalem Forgot,” by Professor Dr Ernest Martin, and you’ll surely be convinced.

  129. Shirley Singer Makola says:

    YES!!! Thts right.

  130. Theresa Lopez says:

    jonathan…Baptism was given to take away the sin inherited from Adam (original sin) and any sins we personally committed before baptism. Sins we personally commit are called actual sins, because they come from our own acts. Thus on the day of Pentecost, Peter told the crowds, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38), and when Paul was baptized he was told, "And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name" (Acts 22:16). And so Peter later wrote, "Baptism now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (1 Pet. 3:21).

    For sins committed after baptism, a different sacrament is needed. It has been called penance, confession, and reconciliation, each word emphasizing one of its.aspects. During his life, Christ forgave sins, as in the case of the woman caught in adultery (John 8:1–11) and the woman who anointed his feet (Luke 7:48). He exercised this power in his human capacity as the Messiah or Son of man, telling us, "the Son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins" (Matt. 9:6), which is why the Gospel writer himself explains that God "had given such authority to men" (Matt. 9:8).

    Since he would not always be with the Church visibly, Christ gave this power to other men so the Church, which is the continuation of his presence throughout time (Matt. 28:20), would be able to offer forgiveness to future generations. He gave his power to the apostles, and it was a power that could be passed on to their successors and agents, since the apostles wouldn’t always be on earth either, but people would still be sinning.

    God had sent Jesus to forgive sins, but after his resurrection Jesus told the apostles, "‘As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained’" (John 20:21–23). (This is one of only two times we are told that God breathed on man, the other being in Genesis 2:7, when he made man a living soul. It emphasizes how important the establishment of the sacrament of penance was.)
    Christ told the apostles to follow his example: "As the Father has sent me, even so I send you" (John 20:21). Just as the apostles were to carry Christ’s message to the whole world, so they were to carry his forgiveness: "Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven" (Matt. 18:18).

    This power was understood as coming from God: "All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation" (2 Cor. 5:18). Indeed, confirms Paul, "So we are ambassadors for Christ" (2 Cor. 5:20).

    Some say that any power given to the apostles died with them. Not so. Some powers must have, such as the ability to write Scripture. But the powers necessary to maintain the Church as a living, spiritual society had to be passed down from generation to generation. If they ceased, the Church would cease, except as a quaint abstraction. Christ ordered the apostles to, "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations." It would take much time. And he promised them assistance: "Lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age" (Matt. 28:19–20).

    If the disciples believed that Christ instituted the power to sacramentally forgive sins in his stead, we would expect the apostles’ successors—the bishops—and Christians of later years to act as though such power was legitimately and habitually exercised. If, on the other hand, the sacramental forgiveness of sins was what Fundamentalists term it, an "invention," and if it was something foisted upon the young Church by ecclesiastical or political leaders, we’d expect to find records of protest. In fact, in early Christian writings we find no sign of protests concerning sacramental forgiveness of sins. Quite the contrary. We find confessing to a priest was accepted as part of the original deposit of faith handed down from the apostles.

  131. Mary Alice Leavesley says:

    Anthony Noel Murphy Do you have a Seventh Day Adventist station? We have broadcasting around the world. you can gain a lot of Godly wisdom thru the word spoken on there.We have radio and tv.

  132. Mary Alice Leavesley says:

    Daniel Phillips Yes, I know…If you have read any of my posts..I was raised catholic..but really didn't try to disect it when I was young. It was only by my searching, that light was shown me thru God's word. This is when I started to feel really deceived with the RRC.i am still on my journey for the whole truth.with God's guidance..Amazing Grace…

  133. Melyn DeVito says:

    Theresa Lopez…we are the church Christ bride…Jesus is the only way, the truth and the life; no one can come to the Father except through Him (John 14:6)…a Christian is a true follower of Christ…Jesus Christ should be front and center in your life…did you at one time in your life had accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior? and believed that through His death, burial and resurrection we obtained salvation? Please read the book John more so John 3:3

  134. Mary Alice Leavesley says:

    LeeAnn Leonard yes, you are right. I have a hard time expressing myself..I am kind of new at this forum comments. They seem to come at you from left to right. so many opinions and statements…it is good that we are all thinking..God loves us all…we show our love for God by the way we love others….God bless.

  135. Mary Alice Leavesley I was raised catholic too.My mom wanted me to be a rpiest .I open the bible and found the truth .The free gift that Jesus gives of salvation .Not by works or deeds are we saved . Jesus give freely forgiveness to all that ask Jesus for forgiveness .Mary the truth matters .Those that think being good or being catholic merit them salvation are sadly lost .So I share the truth so they can escape hell and gain heaven .It's love that share the truth . 1 john 1 if we confess of Sin Jesus is just and faithful to forgive all sins .That the awesome love of God .

  136. Theresa Lopez says:

    so in essence your saying just for being catholic I am going to hell. I don't believe that and neither should anyone else.

  137. Theresa Lopez Water Baptism does not take away sin nor save you . We are forgiven of sin by faith in confess to Jesus . Baptism again does not bring us salvation .Baptism is the outward sihgn to show the world we have already gain salvation through Jesus . Those who think baptism saves are contradicting the whole truth of Scripture that clearly show people being saved (as evidenced by their receiving the Holy Spirit) prior to being baptized or without being baptized at all (like the thief on the cross in Luke 23:39-43). A good example of someone who was saved before being baptized is Cornelius and his household in Acts 10. We know that they were saved before being baptized because they had received the Holy Spirit, which is the evidence of salvation (Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13; 1 John 3:24). The evidence of their salvation was the reason Peter allowed them to be baptized. Countless passages of Scripture clearly teach that salvation comes when one believes in the gospel, at which time he or she is sealed “in Christ with the Holy Spirit of promise” (Ephesians 1:13).

    • MRH says:

      “Baptism is the outward sihgn to show the world we have already gain salvation through Jesus”

      @Daniel: I hate to inform, but baptism is wrongly taught by many :(

      According to the bible, all of the people (Jews) were baptized by John’s baptism (water), plus only Jews are again baptized in Acts 2:38. So how then is it that everyone thinks that Acts 2:38 implies water also? Anyway, I did a study recently on things which I think clarifies things somewhat :)

      Luk 3:16, 21 KJV – John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: … Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

      Jhn 1:31-33 KJV – And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

      http://aeroventure.com/BiblicalControversies/BiblicalControversies.htm

  138. Theresa Lopez says:

    Baptism talks away the original sin and but does not save u..Yes we agree!!

    • Pstr Ken says:

      Praise the mighty Lord Jesus, blessings precious elects of the Lord. Time is over the Messiah is coming very soon. Look at this website and witness the very latest conversation of the Lord God Almighty the holy one of Israel had with the Church. On this subject of Baptism every Christian who desire to enter into the Glorious Kingdom of God, must be Baptised in mass water emmussion. Jesus said “i do this to fulfill all righteousness”. So as Isaiah 40. 1-6, prepare yea the way for the Messiah is coming. Baptism is part of the preparation. Amen Shalom

      • MRH says:

        “On this subject of Baptism every Christian who desire to enter into the Glorious Kingdom of God, must be Baptised in mass water emmussion”

        Only according to mainstream religion, not according to the bible ;)

        Act 1:4-5, 8 KJV – And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. … But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

        P.S. The baptism Jesus foretold above was not to be of water but rather of the Holy Spirit. The problem is that the church chooses to continue in the old covenant in many ways, though Jesus clearly fulfilled the entire law. And water baptism by John and with the prophets was still under the old law covenant.

        • Brenda Murphy says:

          Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
          1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
          1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
          1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

          • MRH says:

            Brenda: A simple logical question and answer test :)

            Q: Was the repentant thief on the cross baptized?
            A: No, which proves that water doesn’t save anyone!

            P.S. Why do you religious folk always complicate matters? :(

            Rom 10:8-13 KJV – But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

            Eph 2:4-9 KJV – But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

            2Ti 1:9-10 KJV – Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

            Tit 3:5-7 KJV – Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

            Rev 21:24 KJV – And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

          • Brenda Murphy says:

            Mark, if you do not want to do what Jesus says, then why be a Christian?

            Luk 6:43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
            Luk 6:44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
            Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
            Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

            Mat 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
            Mat 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
            Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

          • MRH says:

            “Mark, if you do not want to do what Jesus says, then why be a Christian?”

            @Brenda: For one, I’m a Christian because of my faith, not because of your religion. Secondly, Jesus did not instruct the church in water baptism. The church took it upon themselves in matters. Thirdly, why do you continually judge and accuse me for my differing beliefs?

            P.S. Are we not all sitting in the same holy hope boat? ;)

          • Brenda Murphy says:

            I do not accuse you, but the Word of God is truth, and if you get convicted, so be it.

            Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
            Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

          • MRH says:

            “I do not accuse you”

            @Brenda: You most certainly do :(

            P.S. As do the others in opposition :(

          • Brenda Murphy says:

            What have I accused you of???

          • MRH says:

            Nothing serious Brenda, just all part of the funky blog debate game ;)

            P.S. I engage in other Christian debates (online, offline), not by desire, but by circumstance. And as long as the debates are cordial, they even can be fun. However such debates have no winners, as none can prove nor dis-prove each other. That should be quite obvious by now? ;)

  139. Theresa Lopez Baptism takes away nothing .you clearly follow some false ideology like Catholicism because no where in the bible does it say what you claim it does 'Baptism takes away the original sin of are first parents ' That statement is 100% false .Only faith in Jesus can and will remove ALL SINS …. Confession to Jesus for your sins and He removes all of them .You cannot do anything to gain forgiven .It a free gift .Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned–" (Rom. 5:12). 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
    20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
    21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

  140. Mary Alice Leavesley says:

    We are living in the last days according to Revelation and Daniel. We are living in the toes 0f the statue of Nebuhadnezzar's dream..iron mixed with clay..Iron being Roman Rule and now a mixture of many governments trying to obtain peace that will never mix or happen. When the rock that was cut out without human hands hits the statue..it crumbles..Thats Jesus return. we are also living in the Laocedian church…we're luke warm…Many people are out witnessing..but we also have alot of indifferent so called christians , just sitting in the pews . Like nothing has changed or will ever change.we all can be used as a witness…kindness, hospitality, giving, showing God's love to others.Jesus is the Way, Truth and Life..and nobody comes to the Father, but by Him. I am leary about what the Pope is doing. I think we have forgotten why the Reformation ever happened in the first place. If only our Reformers could see what their followers are doing with the truths they fought for and even died for. This was serious then and it is serious now. People wake up…our time of sleeping and resting on what we thought we knew is over…

  141. Rob Fox says:

    Yeah, I had to review the arguments between post and pre-trip and the pre-tribbers remain weak in their stance, mainly falling back on the claim that the anti-christ will not be able to reign while Christians are still on this earth. Well, I have news for them. There is great evil being directed at thousands of people already and most do not even see it. This leads to the obvious fact that the anti-christ could be here on earth and very few will recognize him or his influence until he actually reveals himself. And some of us Christians are already suffering under the torment of what could very well be his evil.
    However, it is because of this deception that we cannot rule out the 70th week. In 2 Thes 2:3, Paul writes that Jesus cannot return until the "Man of Sin" is revealed. This implies that he could be on the earth for decades before that event. It is only until he starts to draw attention to himself that things start to happen.

  142. Reid Fox says:

    If you don't know who the man of sin is I don't know what else to say.

  143. Rob Fox says:

    I understand your reference but I'm speaking of an individual who would be the very man at the center of the abomination of desolation. If it is who you're implying, this could go on for decades yet.
    But thinking on current events, things are heating up and there will be a reckoning between those who look to this figurehead for hope and consolation in increasing times of trouble, and those who know he just a liar.

  144. Sandra the rapture is scriptual and was taught by Paul among others but besides that it isn't a salvation issue. People who do or do not believe in the rapture will still go to heaven as long as they are christians.

  145. Antony John says:

    Julie Chalfant Capes – Jacob was renamed Israel, who had 12 sons. Judah (Jews) was but one son of 12. As "Christians" you're grafted into Israel (it says so in your New Testament), so guess what, Jacob's trouble refers to you as well. You will be going through the trib whether you believe it or not. The Pre-Trib is yet another lie we've inherited from the Roman Catholic Church. Fortunately just like Noah we'll be protected.

  146. Daniel Phillips Thank you Daniel Phillips for sharing. The Bible clearly states that Jesus hates Catholicism and calls it the Great Whore and the Mother of Harlots..#facts #Revelations Chapter 17 and 18..

  147. Dianne Orton says:

    Yes, I agree, check things out! A great place to start is God's Learning Channel, glc.us.com – that is where I first saw & heard Jim Staley.

  148. Kyle Burton says:

    Kathy Fugitt Price Skaggs Yeah I mean we're all brothers and sisters in Christ, that's the most important thing. Walk by faith and we'll be alright either way :) God bless

  149. King David says:

    Their is NO true church, you will all be judged individually according to your actions.

    • MRH says:

      Actually the true church in the bible is ‘the body of Christ’ or believers as a whole. And yes we are all judged individually ;)

      1Co 12:27 KJV – Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

      2Co 5:10 KJV – For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

      And we are also collectively the; temple of God, bride of Christ, and part of new Jerusalem.

      1Co 3:16-17 KJV – Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

      Heb 12:22-23 KJV – But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

      Rev 21:9-10 KJV – And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

      P.S. Full knowledge comes at the resurrection.. Christs return :)

  150. King David says:

    You are sadly misled. Jesus is the Way not the Pope.

    • MRH says:

      Actually the Pope is not a true believer period. Which makes him a false prophet, as he preaches false doctrine.

      P.S. FYI Pope Francis once said; “Jesus is just a man, a person”. Which completely contradicts what the bible teaches about Jesus.

    • MRH says:

      The truth behind the Pope ;)

  151. Mitch says:

    How dare he preach peace and tolerance!!1 Thats not the church I grew up with!

  152. Anonymous says:

    Amen to Henco comments, Jesus did not excuse Himself from tribulation, we should not expect to be released either. The bible states that ALL who live godly SHALL suffer persecution and that especially includes these last days!

    • MRH says:

      Persecution is a side effect of our holy faith. The more we preach holy matters, the greater will be our persecution. And preaching in some ill places can result in prison or death.

      P.S. The term ‘tribulation’ simply means; trouble, distress, anguish, etc. Therefore persecution is a form of tribulation, as are natural or man-made disasters. However persecution itself is on an individual basis of ill intent ;)

    • Brenda Murphy says:

      Amen! We will have to give our testimony, not deny His name.

  153. STL says:

    If you have Salvation through Jesus Christ, everything else does not matter. Because until it happens, then you’ll know the exact truth. And you can only recieve Salvation by reading God’s scriptures. Everyone has their own opinions about the scripture your reading, the scriptures were never made for the mass but the singular person reading them. So all of you can argue your hearts out, until it occurs, then no one will actually know exactly the time and date of any events.

  154. Bobby Zurek says:

    For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, "Peace and safety!", then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. (I Thessalonians 4:16-5:3

    There is nothing in the Bible to support a Pre or Post Trib…I wish my brothers and sisters in Christ would read the bible in the light of scripture…for it explains itself clearly…The notion of pre and post trib is the work of Satan…
    pleas read here http://thechristianobserver.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-greatest-deception-of-all-time_7.html

    For a full explanation of the rapture in the light of scripture….
    I am not here to force my believes but to bring to light what scripture says..

    God bless!

    • MRH says:

      “There is nothing in the Bible to support a Pre or Post Trib”

      @Bobby: Part of the problem is defining the great tribulation ;)

      A) It’s focus will be in Israel, not in other countries :)

      Luk 21:20-24 KJV – And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

      B) It will concern the Jews, or those in Israel at the time :)

      For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

      C) It will be a major holy war in the holy land :)

      And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

      Also the second coming is a one time (but divided) event; for saints, with saints :)

      1Co 15:22-26 KJV – For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

      P.S. The resurrection will be; instant, visible, and will result in global chaos. Anyway, things are best symbolically detailed in Revelation 11, concerning the mysterious two witnesses ;)

      http://aeroventure.com/REVELATION/2-WITNESSES.htm

      • STL says:

        MRH: If you got all the answers. please explain what event in our near future will start the 7 year Tribulation?

        • MRH says:

          @STL: You should know full as well as I do, that the key to the future great tribulation lies with the rise of the third Jewish temple, and installing of the mystery abomination of desolation? ;)

          Hint: According to the bible, there is no 7 year tribulation. That idea is a fable created by wrong scripture interpretation. Both Daniel and Revelation explain things. The tribulation of saints forms the latter half of Daniels last week, and is not of the end. Also the 1260 days (Daniel 10, 12?), or 42 months of Revelation 13. And the times of the Gentiles fulfillment in Revelation 11 (Daniels last week?).

          P.S. There are no other obvious biblical clues pertaining to the final segment of normal human history that I’m aware of. The rapture/resurrection signals the end of the world as we now know it to be (humanity.. mans rule), and it certainly will not go unnoticed. After rapture is the final end of the world and humanity period ;)

          Tip: The great tribulation doesn’t end all tribulation. In fact the end of the world is the greatest tribulation event. The wrath of Satan and God combined are the absolute end of humanity (flesh). Following will be the millennium, which will be very different in all points and purposes, as bible declares ;)

          DID I ANSWER UNTO YOUR INQUISITION?

      • Dan says:

        Mark if you go to my above (June 9th) Post I give you a reason for
        the Pre Trib belief. It is scripture and you will have to read. But, after you do I would be interested to know what you think.

        • MRH says:

          Dan, I read post, but not sure what to say. It all comes down to biblical interpretation I guess. Personally, I think 1 Cor 15 best details things in simple minded terms ;)

          1Co 15:22-26 KJV – For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

          This passage also fits with the Gospel accounts. However, please understand that the church was not known during Jesus’ hour on earth or before. Therefore early references to saints or the elect could only indicate Jews, as Gentiles were the enemy then.

          According to Paul, true believers have already overcame :)

          1Jo 4:4 KJV – Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

          But according to John, not all churches have overcame :(

          Rev 2:4-7 KJV – Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

          P.S. I believe that the reason the church is not mentioned between Revelation chapters 4-19, is because it really isn’t relevant, not that it isn’t present in the mix. Therefore the ‘saints’ whom are overcome I think concerns the blind Jews in Jerusalem, as it details war elements; sword, spoil, captivity, etc. However we will just have to wait and see what the future yields ;)

          • Dan says:

            Mark, I’m saying there is scripture clearly supports a pre-tribs rapture.
            And, your right it’s not relevant for the church to be mentioned in Revelations chapters 4-19 because the church is not on earth. Do you really believe if the church were to going through such a great outpouring of G-d’s wrath on earth not to be relevant ?

          • Brenda Murphy says:

            Rev_13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

            Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

            It talks about the saints throughout the new Testament, all the way thru to the end of Revelation!!!

            Rev_2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

            Rev_3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

            Rev_3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

            Rev_3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

            Rev_21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

            Are you an overcomer? :)

          • MRH says:

            “It talks about the saints throughout the new Testament, all the way thru to the end of Revelation!!!

            Are you an overcomer?”

            @Brenda: Christians (true believers) are saved period :)

            1Jo 2:12-14 KJV – I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name’s sake. I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

            P.S. The term ‘saints’ simply means ‘holy ones’, of which includes; angels, Jews, and Christians. Also the saints of tomorrow are not the same saints of today ;)

          • Ron Murphy says:

            If your going to get technical about it, the church was never memtion in the book of Revelation chapters 1-4, except for instruction to the churches in Asia. He never said anything about them escaping tribulation, but only to escape temptation. Tribulation is not temptation, but it’s counter part. If we take the temptation we are no longer in tribulation. Tribulation is war with the saints, temptation is taking the mark of the beast, to enjoy life better. We that are alive and remain shall not prevent the martyrs from raising from the dead( bodily that is, as their souls are coming from heaven). We shall be gathered from the four winds of heaven and earth, Mark 13:27.

          • MRH says:

            “If your going to get technical about it, the church was never memtion in the book of Revelation chapters 1-4, except for instruction to the churches in Asia.”

            @Ron: Partially true, but the seven churches are also prophetic, and thus apply to our time as well ;)

            Rev 2:7, 11, 26, 29 KJV – He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. … He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. … And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: … He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

            Rev 3:5-6, 12-13, 21-22 KJV – He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. … Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. … To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

            P.S. Obviously the above concerns us today as well? ;)

        • MRH says:

          “Do you really believe if the church were to going through such a great outpouring of G-d’s wrath on earth not to be relevant ?”

          @Dan: No, but the great tribulation is NOT Gods wrath. The wrath follows tribulation according to scripture. Also it is during wrath when the beast is in full global power. The only power he has during the tribulation is unto the saints, as the rest of the world blindly worships him. But after the rapture the deceived world wakes up, resulting in the martyrs. At least that’s how I interpret things brother ;)

          P.S. None of us really know the holy score, as it’s hidden in plain sight, just like the occult games. Neither faction can be proven or dis-proven either, as there is no solid evidence. Nor will there be until the final phase begins, and even then only a portion of the populace will awaken :(

          • Dan says:

            Mark so your saying the 7 scrolls ,7 trumpets and 7 bowls are not G-d’s wrath and also not part of the tribulation ?
            Come on Mark! Chapters 6 – 19 in revelation is known as the Tribulation or the ‘beginning of sorrows
            Jesus himself said that if he did not return during this time to end it ;there would be no one left alive.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Dan, the 7 scrolls are not the wrath of God, only the 7th one is the wrath of God. The great tribulation comes in the middle of the week and that first half of the week is the first two seals, after that the tribulation begins with the black horseman and continues though until the 6th scroll(seal), at which time the rapture takes place. The last scroll, is the wrath of God, after that tribulation of those days. The wrath consists of the 7th scroll, with is the 7 trumpets, later viewed as the 7 vials, in chapter 16. Tribulation is upon the saints, the war with them, from the antichrist, Rev 13:7.
            The wrath of God is compensation for that war with the saints (great tribulation), Rev 18:6

          • MRH says:

            “Mark so your saying the 7 scrolls ,7 trumpets and 7 bowls are not G-d’s wrath and also not part of the tribulation ?”

            @Dan: I believe that the 7 seals and 7 trumpets do not fully reflect the tribulation or Gods wrath.. only in part.

            Rev 16:1 KJV – And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

            P.S. I believe that the seals and trumpets include the tribulation and wrath within them, as well certain events in history, such as indicated on my page links ;)

  155. Emeka Ugwu says:

    frankocel I wonder where you get your information that Christian do not use priest, all i know for sure is that we are priest of the Most High God

    • Dan says:

      @Ron Murphy .. Ron I believe the rapture will happen before the tribulation. I believe the the scrolls trumpets and bowls are all associated with G-d’s wrath. But, my point was they all happen during the tribulation. I believe the tribulation is 7yrs total not 3 1/2 years.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Okay, Dan, you have that right, but answer a question for me, will you? Why did it take the world so long to realize that the wrath of God had come in the 6th scroll? Could it of been that is when it started or was ready to start? Remember, brother, this is when they first get excited and scared and run and hide. They were at peace until then, having a good time, running Christians down and turning them in to be slaughtered. When do you suppose, men’s hearts begin to fail them? I believe it is when they run and hide, because of the things coming on the earth, such as the plagues of the 7 trumpets, which is the very next seal(scroll).

        • Dan says:

          You know sometimes Ron I think things are so confusing around scripture for a reason and that reason is G-d just wants us to trust him and believe in him. I mean wasn’t it that simple in the beginning

          • Ron Murphy says:

            No, Dan, it never was easy to understand. God made it that way that the wise could understand, but the wicked could not. The wise are those that fear God and seek Him for the truth. Precept upon precept, line upon line, least they see the truth, that believe not.

            Mat_13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
            Mat_13:15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

            Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

        • Dan says:

          Ron these are all acts of G-d pertaining to his judgment and in the same sense his judgment is his wrath. They’re all a course of the same event ,and that being fulfillment of prophesy. You’ll have to bring me up to speed on why this is so important. If I understand your line of thinking I will be able to follow you better.

      • Hi Dan, here is a little advise. Believing and knowing is not the same thing. Believing is accepting without proof. Knowing is giving proven facts. Pre-trib and post-trib can both quote scripture to support their theories, only one can be true. Its like the two sides of a coin,but only one has the head on it. The scriptures that pretrib quote are taken out of context. Let me show you
        Mark16v15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
        16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
        17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
        18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Have you even heard of or read that christians drank poison and lived, or were bitten by snakes and did not die. If you have please send me the info so I can read it. The seven messages to the church began with the first era of the church and will culminate with Laodicea. Look at the Church worldwide and see what they are doing. Then ask yourself the question. If you were God would you rapture such a church.
        I lookforward to your reply. http://www.sleepingbride.com

        • Dan says:

          Alright from out of nowhere is Chesterfield. What’s on your mind brother. There are plenty of people drinking poison and getting bit by snakes and living. If you read my stuff you’ll know that it matters little to me as for who’s right on pre,mid or post tribulation. It’s a silly argument. As for rapturing the church brother Chesterfield let me tell you something you may not know. The church right at this very moment is pure and beautiful and is worthy to G-d. So the churches readiness is not the question.

          • Brenda Murphy says:

            Dan 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

            :) :) :)

  156. Emeka Ugwu says:

    where were these so called protestant in early church, tell me the name of your church and i will tell you how many it is. so which church is really anti-Christ

    • Dan says:

      @ Ron Murphy .. Don’t complicate things by calling yourself wise Ron!
      My point was very simple. Believe in him and quit arguing about what kind of tooth paste Christ used. There is nothing you’ve done or will do to save yourself or make what he did for you shine brighter.
      No one understands scripture enough to make any difference but one.

      To Believe

      • Brenda Murphy says:

        You sound very arrogant, Dan, but that’s what happens to people who do not want to know the truth, they start attacking others, on a personal basis! :)

        • Dan says:

          Brenda I’m not being arrogant when I tell Ron the bible is not calling him a wise man. Was it not Christ that said “only G-d is good”? Would not only G-d also be wise. You see Brenda scripture was filled by men inspired by G-d. The only problem is men have also through arrogance added this and that. G-d want’s us to love him finally without instruction Brenda.
          Today the world calls us ignorant for believing in him. Imagine that! While you fumble through pages in a book ; stop and praise him because you hear his spirit instead. There are so many today that don’t hear his voice. Be glad you do!

      • Brenda Murphy says:

        God wants everyone to be wise, Ron is not just saying he is wise….he is saying that is what God’s Word is for, to understand….but if you do not want to, that is up to the individual….if you don’t want to have spiritual ears and eyes, to understand, God won’t force you to!
        You have to want it.

        • Dan says:

          I believe I misunderstood Ron’s intent in his post now that I’ve read it again. Anyway why am I talking to you and not to Ron? Who’s wearin tha pants (kidding) Brenda we must be more today as Christians. We must realize that book does not make us his. Because that book is for us rather than us for it. When we use it to condemn we are using it in a way it was not meant for. Christ assured us that we each have our own load of wood which excludes all of us from condemning each other.
          If we would debate rather than condemn that would be different.

          • Brenda Murphy says:

            Well, definitely…Ron wears the pants in this family, believe me!

            I understand what you are saying, we all can come across as arrogant, if we profess to know something that some one else doesn’t seem to know……just like the smart kid in school…..we thought they were a bit arrogant, ‘wise’, and obnoxious…we couldn’t stand it ’cause they were just smarter, even though they probably were very nice.

            We tend to judge what we don’t know, especially about people-to harshly…that’s what unbelievers see all the time in us ‘Christians’. They don’t understand us, because we know something that they don’t.

            You know, we’ll never understand anyone completely, but that’s what living for Christ is all about—being compassionate to all, and counting our blessings that God has given us the way and the truth and the life—and He is the Light…….but most do not want to see and understand….they would rather have the darkness.

            Sorry if I came on to strong. I have a zeal for the Lord, as you , I hope, can plainly see! :)

          • Dan says:

            @ Brenda Murphy ! Sorry if I came on too strong!
            Come on now Brenda don’t pile it own too much!
            I don’t think you do understand what I was saying because it had nothing to do with arrogance.
            Brenda, what I was saying may hurt your ears, but the body, the bride , the church is more than a book. One lights the way and the other gives eternal life to walk it. Do you understand?

          • Brenda Murphy says:

            I don’t know the point that you are trying to make.

            If we live for Christ, yes, we are a beacon of hope in this lost and dying world.

            That should be obvious, if we are truly born again. :)

            The Holy Bible was put there to help us to walk it, yes.
            So, did I pass your test? LOL

  157. roger parris says:

    remember the sabbath day to keep it holy remember remember oh ye people

    • Dan says:

      @Brenda Murphy…. Brenda the reason you not getting the point I’m trying to make is because my discussion was with Ron several post ago.
      You see it’s no wonder you have no idea what I’m talking about.
      Our discussion was over Revelation and Ron made a statement “why did it take the world so long for us to realize G-d’s wrath comes in the 6th scroll” My comment was the bible is confusing for a reason. Ron’s comment was showing me bible quotes to make my point. (Laughing) I took it as sarcasm because I missed the first line of the paragraph and hence this whole thing started. Now why I took it as sarcasm (laughing) I will not say because why am I talking to you instead of him? Tell him to put his pants on! : )

      • Brenda Murphy says:

        He has his pants on, he’s out trying to keep me fed, LOL.
        He will get back to ya’ before to long. :)

        I understand you.
        I don’t know if he will, lol. :grin:

        • Dan says:

          No worries . The conversation I was really having started with Mark. I’d forgotten about him(laughing) He usually stays in the conversation but he must have left. I know you and Ron go back and forth with him and Steve over various interpretations of the bible. Tell Ron he’s doing right by feeding you.. Blessings !

          • MRH says:

            “The conversation I was really having started with Mark. I’d forgotten about him(laughing) He usually stays in the conversation but he must have left”

            No, Dan, I’m still following blog, and was wondering why no replies? :(

          • Dan says:

            There’s been no replies because I’ve been caught up with Ron’s alter ego Brenda.. We all know that’s really him.. Right!

          • MRH says:

            Or they are simply one of a kind? ;)

            P.S. If it’s all him disguised, then we have a perpetual sinner on our hands? For is not deception a sin?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Dan, I’ve just been to busy lately. I’ve been following, along a little, but just don’t have time to cover all bases. I know Brenda is doing a fine job, though, if people would just listen. Sue, also is doing a wonderful job teaching, along with Jody. People wouldn’t listen to Jesus, so, they will not listen to wisdom either. I have some teaching to do here, coming up soon. You tube, also takes some of my time, as I have more listeners there, than here. Many are learning the truth. Those that fear to die, don’t understand the blessing that goes with it. Jesus said not to fear those that can kill your body.

          • Brenda Murphy says:

            @ Dan,

            No, I am not Ron’s alter ego. I am real.
            We are quite similar in some ways, though.
            We both love to play Chess, and love the great outdoors.
            We both love pasta….and tacos. lol
            We are both about the same height.
            We both wear the same size shoe, and our eyes are blue.
            But…I have a lot of hair on my head and he doesn’t.
            I can not play the guitar, and he can.
            He can not crochet.
            He loves the water, but I am afraid of it.
            He hates to take walks, but I love to.
            But we both love the Lord, and believe in the Holy Bible.

            And well, that’s just about it.

  158. roger parris says:

    good site keep it up

    • Dan says:

      @ Ron Murphy.. What youtube Ron? I would be interested in hearing you teach.

      • Dan says:

        @ Brenda Murphy.. What youtube is Ron on. He said he has more listeners there. I would like to check it out.
        As for you being someone else. I’ve met 3 on here that do that. Why adults do some things ; I don’t know. Maybe they think there hiding in some way. I really just wanted to see if Ron would answer and he did. In all fairness I never did really answer his question on Revelation ch. 6.

        • Brenda Murphy says:

          Ron is the only one that teaches on you tube, I do not.
          He is on various sites, basically the ones that teach pre-trib, of course. Just go to any of the pre-trib sites, and you will probably find him, lol.:)

          • Dan says:

            Your being vague. Why? It’s not that important Brenda and I don’t have time to play find Ron. I believe in a pre-tribulation as well. I feel the reason I gave in my above June 9th post supports rapture before the tribulation.
            I’ve never been on any pre-trib sites I didn’t know they existed. If Ron feels I want to ridicule him on this other site I don’t. But, I understand and respect his feelings if this is case.

  159. STL says:

    MRH: since you like explaining the differences in the scriptures, please explain why in Revelation that there is no living Church Age Christian still alive when the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ to Mt. Olives?

    In 1st Thess. 4: 15-17 speaks of the dead rising and then the living believers rising meeting Jesus Christ in the air (atmosphere) and be with Him forever. But there is not one verse in Revelation backs up this 1st Thess. 4: 15-18? Not one?

    So this event will happen before the Tribulation begins!

    • MRH says:

      “So this event will happen before the Tribulation begins!”

      @STL: No, as I explained before here, the great tribulation signals the end of the world as we now know it. Followed by the first resurrection event, which begins our eternity with God and Christ. And also the absolute destructive end of humanity, the beast kingdom.

      P.S. Please don’t confuse this world of today with the world of tomorrow. The day of the Lord begins after tribulation, at resurrection (day of Christ). And the great day of the Lord ends; after the millennium, and after the great white throne judgment.. according to scripture ;)

      • Brenda Murphy says:

        You might as well give up on him, Mark…he just likes to argue for argument’s sake. LOL

        • MRH says:

          Yes it sadly does seem to be that way with STL Brenda :(

          P.S. We are all decidedly right in our own minds, and probably won’t be proven otherwise wrong, until Christ returns to set things straight once and for all. Agreed sister?

  160. STL says:

    MRH: So your the expect on Theology? I have listen to Chuck Missler and he states by his testimony that your completely wrong in your finding of end times scriptures and was not you the one jumping back and forth from Mid to Post tribulation as you blasted Ron Murphy testimony of these scriptures?

    The 7 year tribulation is not in scriptures but the covenant between Satan and Israel with be a 7 year period.

    So why do not you argue with someone who want to believe in your theories?

    • MRH says:

      STL: The covenant does not begin tribulation, the abomination of desolation does. It’s very clearly explained in all three gospels, and in Daniel as well. But what’s the use, as I’ve explained this plain biblical fact many times for you, but you keep insisting I’m wrong :(

      P.S. Without the covenant there can be no temple and no tribulation ;)

  161. No, the Rapture happens after the 3 1/2 yr. midpoint of the 7 yr. Tribulation period.
    check out 2 Thess. :2. Paul tells us that the Rapture CANNOT HAPPEN before the abomination that causes desolation (midway point). We are raptured out of the agonies of most of the Great Tribulation (2nd 1/2 of Trib.), when an angel in Revelation pours out the seven bowls of God's wrath.

    • MRH says:

      As scripture clearly states, the tribulation follows the abomination of desolation event. Also tribulation is clearly stated as being in Jerusalem (and unto the Jews there), not unto the whole world. Fact of matter, the tribulation period is 3.5 years long (not 7). Afterward comes the wrath period (Satan, God), followed by millennium period ;)

      • Brenda Murphy says:

        Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
        Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
        Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

        Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

        Rev_3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

        • MRH says:

          Brenda: You’re jumping around with the scriptures :(

          The latter half of Revelation 13 concerns the second beast (FP), and is within Satan’s wrath period, not the tribulation. The latter forms the first half, the first beast (AC)

          P.S. The ‘hour of temptation’ is during wrath of FP :)

  162. STL says:

    MRH: If your wrong how are you going to deal with the Tribulation period, if by your medical condition, your unable to get medical care?

    How long have you and I discussed the Rapture and the Restrainer, at least 2 years, and I’m still in my faith that the Rapture will happen before the lawlessness one comes to power of this world?

    But you have switch several times from Mid to Post Tribulation. So when the Tribulation begins will you give up easy, and switch from being a christian to a satan follower?

    • MRH says:

      STL: You keep forgetting that there are two end time figures; beast (AC secular), false prophet (FP religious). The ‘son of perdition’ is the latter beast. And it should be quite evident by now whom that one is? Does not the pope already put himself on the holy pedestal?

      P.S. My rapture stance remains the same, just that my tribulation stance is now changed. I used to believe that the great tribulation is also the wrath of God. But according to my recent biblical studies, I no longer believe that crazy idea. Even so, I still don’t believe that the tribulation is intended for the church. Why would it need to be, as we have already accepted Christ? The Jews are the ones whom haven’t repented, and the tribulation will wake them all up fast and furiously. Anyway, until the third temple rises we will all continue this silly pointless debate it seems? :(

  163. STL says:

    MRH: Have you wonder where Ron Murphy is, because since April 14, 2014 he has not posted one comment or insult to us. Yes, Brenda posts, but since there break up?

    • MRH says:

      STL: Actually not so, as I saw a recent post from him, just that he doesn’t post like he used to do ;)

    • Brenda Murphy says:

      Ron’s been posting on you tube, and he is doing well with that.
      We are doing well, and, yes, we are still post-tribbers.

      We even ran across Levi, or he found us, lol.
      Good to see that he is okay!

  164. STL says:

    MRH: Most of us on this web site, including our host of NTEB, believe your wrong and we will leave before the Tribulation.

    • MRH says:

      STL: You think I’m not aware of that fact? Anyway, we will know in due time whom is right and wrong on rapture/tribulation topic ;) And what if it happens as I believe, then what will you say? One thing is certain, many would wonder whats going on.

      In any case, the Dome of the Rock must be destroyed, as it is in the way of prophetic progress. For it stands on holy ground, where the second temple stood. The question is how and who will demolish it. After all it’s but an empty cavern.

    • Brenda Murphy says:

      Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
      Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
      Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

      • STL says:

        Brenda: Are you post these verses about yourselves, as sheep wearing wolves clothing. But yes, the gate is narrow, just a few will go up with the Bride of Christ to Heaven.

  165. STL says:

    MRH: Who are the left behinders and who are the unbelievers. Because being a unbeliever comes in different catagories?

    Would you say a believer would be a person to be known as a BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN?

    A Person who acts Christ-like?

    A Person who sticks up for the Word of God?

    A person that has nothing against any races on this earth?

    I can remember back how the white people hated Negros because of their skin color.

    But it seem people calls themselves christians but they hate MUSLIMS.

    Does God allow hate in his KINGDOM?

    What about the gays, does God hates gays or the sin they are causing for themselves?

    It seems alot of americans believe there christians but they do not follow after Jesus Christ. Would these types of people will be left behinders ir unbelievers?

    • MRH says:

      STL: There are but two spiritual classes of people; believers, unbelievers. All believers will be raptured, and all unbelievers will remain on earth. And only we and God know our hearts, whom are and are not his children. Those outside God don’t love him, and those within do love him. Anyway, that’s my take on things in a nutshell, bedtime calls now ;)

      P.S. I believe that God will use the church to powerfully witness unto the Jews and others during tribulation (like now, only intensified then). Also 3.5 years is not all that short a time to accomplish much witnessing for Gods sake :)

  166. STL says:

    MRH: Explain to Mary that there is only one mediator between God and man, which is Jesus Christ. But the Pope believes he is the mediator between God and mankind.

  167. STL says:

    MRH: AGAIN I ASK OF YOU, HOW MANY PROCLAIM THERE CHRISTIANS AND THE ACTIONS PROVES DIFFERENTLY?

  168. STL says:

    MRH: At least I can say that Ron and Brenda Murphy are true to one thing as they stay true to their beliefs as Post-Tribbers. But you jump from one belief to another, faster than I take a breath of fresh air!

    • MRH says:

      STL: No, my faith is the same, just that my perspective has slightly changed.. with new revelations :)

      P.S. I don’t follow the flock, I follow what I believe ;)

  169. STL says:

    DAN: WHAT DIFFERENCES WE HAVE HAD, I DO AGREE WITH YOU WE WILL BOTH BE IN HEAVEN BEFORE THE TRIBULATION BEGINS, AS WE BOTH WILL BE AT THE BRIDE’S SUPPPER, WHEN THE POST-TRIBBERS WILL BE SUFFER THE WORSE HORRIBLE TIME IN THEIR LIVES IN THE TRIBULATION, NOT JUST SUFFER UNDER SATAN TRYING TO BEHEAD THEM BUT FROM GOD’S WRATH OF THIS PLANET EARTH, IN MAJOR EARTHQUAKES, RELINEMENT OF CONTINENTS, SUPER STORMS, REVERSAL OF THE POLES, AND ASTERIODS HITTING THE EARTH, A MINI ICE AGE, VIRUS FROM CHEMICAL AGENTS FROM U.S. ARMY CHEMICAL WEAPONS STOCKPILES AND SO ON!

    • Dan says:

      No Steve I believe even they will come with us. We will all find out who was right ,but it will matter little because we are all part of the church; every wretched one of us. And what a motley crew we will be sitting there with him! But, because of him we are all worthy!

      I don’t believe the mid and post Tribers will be too mad for getting to eat and drink early!

      • STL says:

        DAN: Remember the gate is narrow into God’s kingdom!

        • Dan says:

          Brother LaRue the only thing religion has done is divide us.
          I refuse to believe an interpretation that excludes anyone that sincerely believes in him. Today we are thought to be ignorant because of this. We may even be here long enough to see real serious discrimination towards Christians. So hold fast my brother in the belief of a narrow gate because G-d plans on fitting a Church through it!

        • MRH says:

          STL: The gate is only as narrow as our faith is ;)

          Tip: Jesus was addressing the masses, not unto the disciples in his many parables :)

          Mat 7:13-14 KJV – Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

          Luk 8:9-10 KJV – And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be? And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

          P.S. All believers enter the narrow gate, and all unbelievers enter the wide gate.. simple as that :)

      • Brenda Murphy says:

        We will be going home before you, if we get our heads chopped off!

        • Dan says:

          (Laughing) That’s the spirit Brenda! Imagine that! Being put to the test of believing by dying.

          • Brenda Murphy says:

            Yes, but it’s NO laughing matter, it will happen, regardless of whether you believe it or not!

            I am bound and determined to die for my Lord, if I have to. Nobody wants to die, but this old body is going to wear out some day…..and I’d rather go out in a blaze of glory! LOL, now I’m laughing, ’cause I’ll be reigning with Christ, if I do!

            Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

          • Brenda Murphy says:

            There are martyrs being put to death as we speak….IMAGINE THAT……for their beliefs!

        • MRH says:

          The ‘tribulation’ martyrs of today are not the same as tomorrows ‘wrath’ martyrs ;)

          P.S. We are still under grace till rapture prevail, whether we die as martyrs, illness, or simply of old age, all we true believers will be with Christ at his judgment seat :)

          • Brenda Murphy says:

            A martyr is a martyr, Mark…no matter when they die!

          • MRH says:

            “A martyr is a martyr, Mark…no matter when they die!”

            @Brenda: No, I’m afraid not. A martyr of today is not under beast rule. There is no mark to avoid yet. And if you think getting a chip implant now would seal your eternal fate today, then you are quite deluded. At present there is no global enslavement system in place, but it is indeed under development and undergoing varied testing nonetheless ;)

            P.S. When the beast finally reigns, then will the mark be enforced, and the mass beheading plan will follow ;)

          • Brenda Murphy says:

            I know the beast has to come, for the chip to be mandated, and yes,there will be many beheaded, but still, the martyrs that have died thru-out the years, and now, this day, will reign with Christ, as they are not denying His Name. They will rule and reign as kings and priests upon he earth, in the millennial reign, also. :)

          • MRH says:

            “They will rule and reign as kings and priests upon he earth, in the millennial reign, also”

            @Brenda: All resurrected believers from Adam onward will reign with Christ in the millennium. No unbelievers will be present, as they are resurrected afterwards ;)

            2Ti 2:12 KJV – If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

          • Brenda Murphy says:

            If we suffer with him, we will reign with him, so you are planning on suffering in the trib, right, Mark?

          • MRH says:

            “If we suffer with him, we will reign with him, so you are planning on suffering in the trib, right, Mark?”

            @Brenda: All believers suffer persecution, else-wise NTEB and such would need not exist ;)

            Rom 8:35 KJV – Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

            2Ti 3:12 KJV – Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

            P.S. I don’t know regarding tribulation suffering, but I’m sure there will be much persecution in varied locations around the world, and especially in the holy land :(

            But I’m not planning to travel where hell on earth prevails, as I am bound here in my happy hole in the wall for now :)

  170. STL says:

    DAN. ON ANOTHER NOTE: I REALLY BELIEVE THIS IS THE DAYS OF NOAH, I NEVER WOULD BELIEVE BEING A VETERAN OF WAR, THAT THE VA WOULD GET CAUGHT DECIEVING THE VETERANS? IT SEEMS THINGS ARE GETTING BETTER FOR THE VETERANS, BUT ITS A TRICK TO GET US IN HARMONY IN OUR BELIEF THINGS WILL GET BETTER FOR US.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Take heart, STL, things will get much better after tribulation. That is the brightness of the new day, our inheritance. Then shall we forever be with the Lord.

    • MRH says:

      “I REALLY BELIEVE THIS IS THE DAYS OF NOAH”

      STL: We were all born into those vile days, it’s biblically called the ‘last days’, or ‘last time’. And it’s been getting gradually worse since the clock began to count down on Pentecost. But we still aren’t at the edge yet, just mighty close by the endless flood of end time signs ;)

  171. STL says:

    DAN: Ron Murphy is right about that true christians will have to go throught tribulation(s) but we will not have to enter the awful period of the 7 years of sorrows for the unrighteous and church going idiots that believes in their religion than our living God, Jesus Christ.

    One of our tribulations will be coming in Oct. 2014 when gasoline at the pump will be $ 8.00 dollars, that will cause alot of pain for christians to deal with daily life. Why would I say that? Because of the fear in Irak Oil, their number 2 producers in the OPEC, and now U.S. Congress will double gas tax to repair the roads in the USA.

    • MRH says:

      “One of our tribulations will be coming in Oct. 2014 when gasoline at the pump will be $ 8.00 dollars, that will cause alot of pain for christians to deal with daily life”

      @STL: We shall see if your above wild prediction prevails or not ;)

      • STL says:

        MRH: I did not make the wild perdition, it was done by OPEC through Fox News today, that right you do not watch the news?

        • MRH says:

          STL: Yes I know that, I just was being cute ;)

          P.S. I don’t drive too much at least, so rarely need to gas car. Even so, time will tell in matters. Lots of predictions abroad, and not all prevail.

          True, I don’t watch Fox News, but I’m subscribed to Washington Times online. However I haven’t had a chance to go through the big pile I’ve been collecting lately. And now NTEB is starting to pile up again.. never ending news insanity :roll:

  172. STL says:

    DAN: I CONTINUE TO HEAR BRENDA SPEECHES ABOUT THE TRIBULATION PERIOD AS IT WAS A WALK IN THE PARK. THESE SORROWS THAT ARE COMING ON THE WORLD POPULATION IS NO CAKE WALK. FOR BEING A WOMAN, THEY WILL ENDURE THE MOST TERIBLE TIMES IN THEIR LIVES, PUTTING SO MUCH STRESS ON THEIR BELIEFS IN GOD, ONE PERSON CAN NOT ENDURE THOSE TYPE OF PRESSURES.

    LOOK AT THE WAR VETERANS THAT ENDURED WAR, THEY CALL IT PTSD WAR TRAUMAS, AND 40% OF THOSE RETURNING VETERANS ARE COMMITTING SUICIDE.

    AGAIN HOW DO PEOPLE LIKE BRENDA GOING TO SAY THEY ARE GOING TO STAY STRONG IN THEIR BELIEFS IN JESUS CHRIST, MOST WILL FAIL AND FALL TO SATAN, AND THEY WILL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEIR DOING TO THEMSELVES, BUT THE EMOTIONAL PAIN WILL BE UNBEARABLE TO DEAL WITH, THEN WE HAVE GOD’S WRATH THAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH AS THE PLANET WILL GO NUTS, WITH SUPER EARTHQUAKE, VOLCANOES ERUPTING, ASTERIOD ATTACKS, CHEMICAL AGENTS, ICE AGE, AND VERY LITTLE FOOD TO EAT, NO ELECTRIC TO COOK WITH, VERY LITTLE WATER.

    THE AMERICAN SINCE THE 1950′S HAVE LIVE THE GOOD LIFE, BUT THAT WILL NOT CONTINUE ANYMORE.

    SO YES, AS TRUE CHRISTIANS, WE WILL ENDURE TRIBULATIONS.

    • Brenda Murphy says:

      STL,
      I have had my share of tribulations, my first husband died of cancer, but before that, I had to help him build my own house, or we wouldn’t have had anything to live in. (It’s small , but cozy.)
      But nonetheless, it was hard to do.

      I am not rich, we barely keep our heads above water, as Ron has told you many times. We do not receive government help.

      But, God has brought me thru, and is still bringing us thru.
      That’s where you have to put your trust in Him, when the going gets tough, that is our test…
      Only–it will be harder in the great tribulation, that will be the real test of faith, but with Christ living in us–he said that he would keep us from the hour of temptation—that means we will not take the mark, unlike others, that do not have Christ….and the truth, in their hearts. He is able to keep us, or the blood is of no effect, so which is it?

  173. STL says:

    Brenda: You have seen nothing yet, the last 50 years or so been a walk in the park. You can not even think what it will be, being hunted down as a pack of dogs biting at your heels. As my 5 tours in Vietnam was a drop in the bucket compare to when the Antichrist comes to power!

    You can say what ever to yourself, but until you confront your worse hells in life, then I’ll believe you?

  174. STL says:

    Brenda: How can you stating to Dan that he’s not facing the truth and you are not facing the truth yourself1

  175. STL says:

    Brenda; Why are you attacking Mark, and as you attack most people on this web site, who made you the Prophet of this web site? Do not you know God said, its not your place as a woman to voice your opinions against man? But Satan want you so hardly to spread his hate for mankind, to use you to do that against man?

    And you call yourself a Christian, but you make statements as of your the worest hell in life then you joke about it against me, as of LOL. And your a follower after Jesus Christ, but by your sppech your following after Satan?

    • Brenda Murphy says:

      Keep it up, STL, more stars in my crown.

      • STL says:

        Brenda: Do you really think your getting a crown, who presenting the crown to you? Satan?

      • STL says:

        Brenda See your lost already as you think your getting stars in your crown, but its rewards from Jesus Christ, has nothing to do with crowns. Maybe you been listening to Satan he has you confused!

    • Brenda Murphy says:

      I didn’t attack Mark, there you go again, can’t stand the truth, so you start twisting things, oh well, same ole’ Larue. Should’ve known.

      • STL says:

        Brenda: You do not know much of anything?

        • Brenda Murphy says:

          I only know that I love my Lord Jesus Christ….and he loves me.

        • Brenda Murphy says:

          Joh 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
          Joh 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
          Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
          Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
          Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
          Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
          Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
          Joh 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
          Joh 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
          Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
          Joh 15:11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
          Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
          Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
          Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
          Joh 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
          Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
          Joh 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
          Joh 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
          Joh 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
          Joh 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
          Joh 15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me.
          Joh 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
          Joh 15:23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
          Joh 15:24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
          Joh 15:25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
          Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
          Joh 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

    • MRH says:

      STL: No worries brother, as her attacks don’t hurt, they just annoy me. In any case, as long as she persists in error, her future rewards bucket will remain empty. There are absolutely no rewards given for haplessly judging and accusing and condemning others.. without just cause :( But there will be rewards heaped unto those whom are respectful and kind to others :):)

      Mat 16:27 KJV – For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

      1Co 3:8, 13-14 KJV – Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. … Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

      Rev 22:12 KJV – And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

  176. STL says:

    Brenda: So you do not think people are suffering enough, until they enter the Tribulation Period. What about the lady who was a muslim converted to Christianity, then her boys and husband was beheaded just lately, to get her to change back being muslim, her statement, ” I forgive you.” Is that enough suffering in our world of today?

    • MRH says:

      “What about the lady who was a muslim converted to Christianity, then her boys and husband was beheaded just lately, to get her to change back being muslim”

      @STL: I presume her family also converted to Christianity? Anyway, it’s simply called persecution by the bible. And as I recall, all of the twelve apostles including Paul ended up as faithful martyrs?

      P.S. A devout Muslim can convert to Christianity, however a devout Christian can’t revert or convert else-wise. For once the Spirit is indwelt (sealed within us), it can’t be removed period :)

    • Brenda Murphy says:

      It’s not up to me, to make people suffer, STL…satan does a good job, all by himself. I don’t want anyone to have to suffer, but the great tribulation cannot be avoided, unless we die before it starts.

  177. Dan says:

    I left a really good message here ! I wish it would have gone through!

  178. CrissCross says:

    Apart from the BIBLE, you should also have a glance at these!!! Something is being kept hidden from us purposefully :-o

    1. The Greatest Mystery Of The Modern Era :roll:
    http://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2013/10/21/hercolubus-the-greatest-mystery-of-the-modern-era/

    2. Comet-Planet Identified, Orbital Trajectory Verified by Renowned Astronomer :roll:
    http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=7478

    3. Former NASA And Bell Lab Specialist Warns Of Second Sun And Earthquakes :roll:
    https://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2013/08/07/pattie-l-brassard-former-nasa-and-bell-lab-specialist-warns-of-second-sun-and-earthquakes/

    Just wanted to share :-(

  179. CrissCross says:

    Prophecy Is Uttered To Avert Catastrophe, NOT Predict It :roll:
    http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=6879

    The Government-Corporate Complex Takes Complete Control Of The USA :roll:
    http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=6321

  180. Dan says:

    I good friend of mine “Harold Timmins” went to be with our father in heaven tonight. Happy trails my friend!!

    Blessings

  181. chris M says:

    This pope is a jesuit.

    To be a jesuit , he would have HAD to swear the jesuit oath.

    This is the jesuit oath http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-oath.html

    For those who dont want to click the link , here is an excerpt , and please , bear in mind , that that little old man in white , running round talking about peace and uniting the churches SAID this , otherwise he would NOT be a jesuit.

    “I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants’ heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.”

    Do not be deceived.
    The word in the bible “antichrist” is our english translation of the greek word “antechristos”. Our word ANTI ( against ) is not the same word as the greek word ANTE which means “instead of” and the pope claims to be in Christs’ stead….”in His stead” ( vicar of Christ )

    There is no other organization on the face of this planet that has 7 hills , has had 7 kings ( from romulus ), as purple and scarlet as its favourite colours , and is “drunk with the blood of the saints” ( the crusades , the spanish inquisition , the protestant reformation , and others…………the vatican has killed at LEAST…..50 MILLION )

    The “mystery babylon mother of harlots and abominations of the earth” in Revelation 17 can ONLY be talking about the roman catholic / vatican system.

  182. jerry says:

    Christ returns for the enduring remnant; their is one faith; that of Jesus Christ. Please understand that the scripture is simplistic in its designation, of who is and is not the church and what will be the circumstance the church will endure. Pre, mid, post it does not matter. those who endure to the end will be saved. I am pan trib. If you are His it will all pan out in the end! Be a doer of the Word!

  183. CrissCross says:

    Report on Islamic gangs forcing British children into sex-slavery :roll:

    http://vladtepesblog.com/report-on-islamic-gangs-forcing-british-children-into-sex-slavery/

  184. CrissCross says:

    The Real Reason Liberal Churches Are Losing Members :-(
    http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/2014/June30/305.html

  185. Sunny says:

    Found this EXCELLENT book on HIS Second Coming! Very Very Lucid & Logical explanations. The PDF Version is FREELY ($0.00) downloadable.
    Just sharing…

    http://thecomingepiphany.com/

  186. CrissCross says:

    HEY ALL! Please stop discussing & showing your expertise on the Bible for few minutes and watch this Video!!! And (IF required/possible) share it with your near & dear ones :-o

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPVYVy0zcmc

    (Maybe I have become crazy, but still, just sharing ;-) )

  187. Mountain Saint says:

    The False Prophet (Pope) will for a while force people to worship the Beast (antichrist) or be killed (Revelation 13)… But eventually the first Beast (one-world government) will turn on the one-world religion and have Rome burned down to the ground (Revelation 18:8).

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