THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND

Obama’s ‘You’re-Responsible-For-My-Failed-Policies’ SOTU Speech

| January 6, 2014

Obamacare has proved so disastrous to President Barack Obama that he’s going to begin the New Year by shooting political nails into his head.

He’ll try to distract the public from his painful Obamacare takeover by doing something even more painful — showing how he has mismanaged the economy and left 20 million Americans unemployed or underemployed amid a Wall Street boom.

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Of course, in the run-up to the 2014 election, he’ll try to blame his mismanagement on the GOP’s post-2010, partly-effective opposition to his post-2008 regulations and policies.

The daring “you’re-responsible-for-my-failed-policies” strategy, however, depends utterly on cooperation from the establishment media. So it is being pitched as a noble campaign against unfairness, or “economic inequality.”

“I believe this is the defining challenge of our time,” Obama declared in a December speech, which was delivered while Obamcare sank his poll ratings below 40 percent. “It drives everything I do in this office,” he announced Dec. 4, two week before he jetted off for a two week golfing vacation in Hawaii.

“There is no greater challenge this country has than income inequality, and we must do something about it,” Senate Majority Leader Sen. Harry Reid also said in December.

The “something” Obama and Reid are offering consists of two small steps.

The first supposed fix is an $25 billion extension of unemployment benefits for people who have been jobless for at lest six months. The second supposed fix is a boost in the national minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10 per hour.

Obama doesn’t have much else to distract Americans before they go to the polls and — if current polls were to hold steady — elect GOP majorities in the House and the Senate.

Obamacare has delivered commercial health-care policies to 2 million customers out of a population of 310 million, but also cancelled policies held by 5 million Americans. The network is expected to spur more public opposition in 2014 as Americans recognize the limits on their increasingly expensive Obama-approved insurance policies.

Foreign policy doesn’t bear mentioning. Al-Qaida is overrunning cities in Iraq that were guarded until Obama pulled U.S. forces out a more peaceful Iraq in 2010. The Arab world is sucked into the merciless civil war in Syria, and the supposed nuclear deal with Iran has stalled.

Immigration policies could spur increased Latino turnout if Democrats can paint the GOP as racist for opposing the Senate’s very unpopular immigration bill that would double the inflow of immigrants and guest workers into a stalled economy.

But economic inequality is also a tough sell when Obama has been in the White House for five years, and the Democrats have controlled the Senate on each and every day of his tenure.

He’s overseen the “Quantitative Easing” policy that spiked Wall Street stocks owned by wealthy Americans, and touted the various economic and immigration policies that have frozen poorer Americans’ income.

“Top 1 percent incomes grew by 31.4 percent while bottom 99 percent incomes grew only by 0.4 percent from 2009 to 2012,” said a September report by Emmanuel Saez, a left-wing economist at the University of California’s Berkeley campus.

Obama’s June 2012 mini amnesty, dubbed the “Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals,” got Latino votes in 2012 by providing work permits for at least 567,000 illegal immigrants.

He’s even backed the Senate’s ambitious immigration rewrite, which would exacerbate the income gap. A June study by the Congressional Budget Office said the bill would reduce average income for a decade, and boost investors’ wealth: “The rate of return on capital would be higher [than for labor] under the legislation than under current law throughout the next two decades,” said the CBO report.

To focus the media and the public on income inequality, Obama and Reid will immediately push for an extension to unemployment insurance, and for an increase to the minimum wage, partly because both proposals score well in polls. source – Daily Caller

 

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NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he hosts a twice-weekly bible study and prophecy radio show on BlogTalk Radio, and oversees a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.
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  1. Corey Zimits says:

    And Obama and Reid will succeed with their plan, and the Dems will keep the Senate in November. In more pressing news, We are now two minutes closer to the rapture than we were we I began typing this. Obama and Reid are looking forward tot he rapture as well; Once Christians are out of the “way”, the Dems will hold a vast majority of every branch of everything. Nothing will be in their way. For a couple election cycles anyways . . . .

    • Steve says:

      What you smok’n Corey??

      • Corey Zimits says:

        What part of what I typed sounds crazy to you?

        • Steve says:

          Corey:

          In your statement you say Obama and Reid are looking forward to the rapture as well.

          I am almost positive they don’t have a clue what the rapture is. The rapture is saved for the church. For clarity for you, the Church are those who are born-again believers. Got that??

          • Hope says:

            Corey’s point, I think, is that the BO/Reid crowd would love to have Christians out of the way because we get in the way of their agenda. I agree. That is one of the reasons I tend toward thinking the Rapture is real and will be pre-trib. We stand in the way of Satan’s agenda.

          • Corey Zimits says:

            How do you know what Obama knows? I know very well what the rapture is and who actually belongs to the church. As Hope states below, satan is hard at work, even here on this website. Few here also work to hamper God’s work. Your attitude needs to be adjusted. I pray that God changes it.

  2. Steve says:

    Hear ye, hear ye!!!

    Obama never had any intentions of being a “statesman president.”

    He came into office with an agenda, and he is going about his plan (agenda 21) on target.

    His goal: Destroy The American Foundation

    Any disputes from you guys??

  3. Ron Murphy says:

    This artist’s rendering provided by the Satanic Temple shows a proposed monument that the New York-based Satanic group wants to place at the Oklahoma state Capitol.
    Satanic Temple/AP Photo

    Associated Press

    A satanic group unveiled designs Monday for a 7-foot-tall statue of Satan it wants to put at the Oklahoma state Capitol, where a Ten Commandments monument was placed in 2012.

  4. S. Klein says:

    I think it is a good idea for conservatives, conservative Christians, etc., to watch a lot more football in the new year. You know, bread and circuses. That seems to be a big topic on ‘conservative’ talk radio as of late. Obama is fixated on destroying this nation. Republicans and conservatives are fixated on football.

  5. Marie says:

    To Ron:
    I want to say that you have displayed such gross and repunant behavior towards me and anyone who disagrees with you. Everytime I post, you have said that I am not Marie but someone else. You know very well that I am Marie and that I have a very sick husband for whom everyone on here has been praying for. You have called me names such as Russian, gay that my husband is my wife, etc. You and your buddies. I am sure that if you were very ill you would not appreciate it if someone attacked your wife and called you yourself a wife and called you gay. Unfortuately, I lowered myself to your level and responded back to you in the same manner that you attacked me, but I never insulted your wife nor your sexuality. I have called you a liar for the things you say.
    I apologize to everyone as a Christian woman for allowing myself to respond in an unChristian like manner to Ron’s insane insults and accusation towards me. I could have ignored them but did not. My mistake and my sin. I apologize for that and any offense it may have caused to the true Christians on this website.
    As a Christian, I feel guilt when I have sinned. I ask you Ron do you not feel shame? I feel like you have just stepped over my dead body without thinking a thing about it. How can you live with yourself?
    When I first started reading this website, before I started posting here, I witnessed this same behavior of Rons and 2 other men toward a woman here. I was appalled. She never came back. Is that something that you are proud of Ron. You claim to be such a loving Christian, yet you brutalize anyone who disagrees with you.
    I will no longer respond to you. I would think that Nteb would not allow this on their website, but I don’t understand them either. I apologize to anyway whom I have offended with my responses to Ron.
    Marie

    • Mike says:

      God bless you Marie, your public apology
      tells me how sincere you are. I hope you
      keep posting, I enjoy reading your posts
      as with others on this site. I will also pray
      for your husband.

      Kindest regards mike.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Marie you told me to shut up, so I asked you if you was Russian because here we have freedom of speak. Now, who insulted who. Tell you husband to post in his name not yours. You are a vindictive person bent on running me off. You think you are cleaver, Larue , but I see you! You make to many mistakes to hide. Your flaw is your aggressiveness. Not to mention you typing mistakes and style. I know your wife’s name Steve. It’s Maria. It’s really clever how you used her email to deceive you own friends. Is Joe you son or brother in law.

      • Teresa B says:

        I would not respond to this ugliness except to say I believe Maries hsbnd did leave his name.

        Joseph Vietnam Vet

        • Teresa B. have some backbone in your life. You know we pray our hearts out for Marie’s husband when he went to surgery just a way back. How can you not defend womanhood? How can you allow Ron Murphy insult a woman, as Marie, stating she’s gay? Does that show you that Ron’s, a loving Christian or a Satanic mean-spirited person? Would any of your Church members of your church, would allow Ron to speak to a woman in this fashion?

          • Teresa B. How can you allow Ron to insult a war veteran as Joseph, your husband is a Veteran and retired military, how does he feel when someone insult a war veteran? That insulting the USA? Do not you respect the veterans?

          • suez says:

            @STL, I have been GREATLY insulted by some of the same men on here also. To the point, I had to even leave here for a while, and spent a whole night not sleeping because of their vile comments. And STL you also said some pretty vile things to me! Please don’t forget that! So don’t come down on Ron, as your just as guilty. I have chosen to forgive him and you and all the rest. Then I dropped it. If we truly forgive, we drop the subject, unless one needs reminding of that which he seems to criticize other of…LOL You know I love you brother, but please don’t continue in the strife stirring!!! :-(

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Teresa, what does that prove?

      • John Jr. says:

        Well if that aint the pot calling the kettle black.

        • John Jr: your still in the military, do we stand for Honor and Respect of our war veterans that served our country, in the time of war. We did it for our Country and our belief in God. But Ron Murphy feels he can insult war veterans. And Marie’s husband, is very disable with strokes and heart attacks, are you going to allow this idoit, Ron Murphy to insult Marie’s husband calling him GAY?

          • John Jr. says:

            This murphy guy is a joke. He’s illiterate and a ignorant babbler. I doubt he would be so bold saying that stuff at veterans rally or a VFW.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Asking some one if the are gay or if they are STL is not calling someone Gay! I don’t call names to individuals and if I do I say it right out” you are gay” or “you are a liar”. You people can revile me all you want for taking up for myself and others, call me prideful, false prophet, satan, a liar, hypocrite, joke, idiot, fool, or what ever your choice words are. I’m not here to argue I’m here to teach if it offends you then revile on. All our paydays are coming we will all get what is coming to us God’s said He will repay. I’m get mine and you will get yours. I hope you do well!

      • Ron: your full of crap and you believe we have had the freedom of free speech? There is nothing free about our freedoms, you need to go back to school, oh yes, your a Hillbilly! Those boys in the Virginian mountains. Just to create a bill to vote on, in our Congress, you have to pad the pockets of the lobbist, so its not free! And how many time did Brenda post in your name, so we did not know who was posting to us, your a fool! Just a mean-spirited person to attack a defenseless woman, you should be ashame of your self?

        Now we are seeing the true side on you Ron, trying to call someone that there gay, that comes from the Devil, so we know who your God is, he’s Satan!

      • Ron Murphy: Its not surprising to anyone, how stupid you are? People can see the difference how we voice our comments to each other, but since you have a grade-school education, we can see your not too smart in life. Your just trying your black heart out, to get Marie, to leave this web site, so you will only have to deal with STL, but Marie, is not that weak after all, she has Jesus Christ backing her, you have Satan, you will lose in the end!

        • suez says:

          These are out of the word of God and for ALL of us!!!!! Pro 26:21 As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife. Pro 28:25 He that is of a proud heart stirreth up strife: but he that putteth his trust in the LORD shall be made fat. Pro 29:22 An angry man stirreth up strife, and a furious man aboundeth in transgression. 1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
          Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
          Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
          Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
          Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
          Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
          Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
          Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
          Gal 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

    • Tracy says:

      Thank you Marie.
      You made a very important point in this post, “As a Christian, I feel guilt when I have sinned.” All of us, true born again believers, should feel guilt when we sin. I know that I do, and thanks to the Holy Spirit for the convictions. That’s one fool-proof way to KNOW that we belong to Him. He chastens His children.

      • Marie says:

        Tracy,
        Thank you. You just helped me realize something. I did not know that my guilt over sinning was a way of being chastened by God. Thank you for pointing that out. Now I will rejoice in my guilt!!! As you say, to be chastened is to be His child.

  6. John Jr. says:

    “income inequality”, it’s called socialism, and it’s the economic branch of communism. Pure and simple this administration will stop at nothing to turn our Republic into a godless heathen communist state.

  7. Marie says:

    Yes, John and at a speed of light pace!

  8. Marie: Ron lives by the Law, not by grace, so he can not feel those feeling from Jesus Christ. That why he does not want to discuss Salvation issues.

    • suez says:

      Jas 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
      Jas 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
      Jas 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

  9. Marie: That why the Pharisees, killed Jesus Christ, they lived by the Law, not by grace!

  10. Marie says:

    Good point STL, I have never thought of it in that way. Thanks.

  11. Steve: Do you remember that day, you recieved Jesus into your heart, at that point in your life you knew you accepted Jesus Christ as your Savior and Lord?

  12. Steve: without that feeling of acceptance of Jesus into your heart, you would not have Salvation and God will not allow you to enter into His kingdom, yes?

  13. Suez; I’m a soldier of God, I will not stop defending God against a satanic person as Ron Murphy, so you can stop hoping I’m dropping this issue. If one day, he accepts Jesus in Salvation, then we can talk about dropping this issue!

    This is a war, satanic vs God, until my death or me being caught up to Him, the batlle rages on!

    • suez says:

      @STL,, you seem to get it all wrong STL. We don’t rage battles with the brother n…We battle the evil spiritual forces. IF your such a soldier of God, then you better learn HOW to battle Steven. Throwing strife at people isn’t the way! If you can find scripture on that, please do tell!!! My bible says: Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
      Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
      Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
      Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
      Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
      Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
      Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; That my brother is how to do battle!!! You cannot be a soldier for God and throw out evil and vile things out of your mouth. You cannot use strife and bitterness to battle or overcome, or reach someone. If you are a soldier of God, as you say, then start showing you are by the word of God instead of spewing strife, and anger, which are NOT of God, in doing your battling please. You better know, and do the scriptures, if you want to be a soldier of God. Being a soldier in Viet nam doesn’t equip you for spiritual battles brother. You need the Love of God and spiritual discernment to do that! Please stop trying to be the accuser of the brothern, I think that job is already taken!!! This is your spiritual mother talking to you Son!!! :-) I’d paddle you if I could reach you!!!

  14. Suez; You can not play the middle, thats called being lukewarm ( Rev. 3:15-16) your for God or for Satan, make up your mind?

  15. Hope says:

    The first thing I thought when I heard BO talk about “income equality” is that we need incomes in order to have that equality. How do they redistribute what isn’t there? All the money they are printing is only helping the fat cats on Wall Street (who will be jumping out of windows when this all crashes around them.)

  16. Marie says:

    Hope,
    I love your clear thinking. “How do they redistribute what isn’t there?” They haven’t gotten that far in their myopic thinking! The party is on till the money runs out.

  17. Ron Murphy says:

    Everyone is damned on this web site, who need salvation.

    • suez says:

      Since Jesus came into my heart, spirit and soul, I am not dammed anymore! Praise God!!! :-)

    • Ron Murphy says:

      If I was so low I had to use others names I sure would not say I’m saved. That is not me saying those things people you know me better than that! I love God and I love His people! We all need salvation. You are my Brethren!

      • Ron Murphy: I’m really confused, now your saying you did not say these things but on your post, your name appeared as Ron Murphy. Seriously Ron, you need some psychological help, you say bad things to sue, then another post you say you didn’t say that to her, are you losing your mind?

        I think from all those insults you tell other people, God is finally getting you back for those comment, as he forcing you to tell the truth!

  18. Ron why are you damning every one, for what reason and you do not need salvation, no wonder you do not like discussing salvation to us.


  19. Pastor S.T. LaRue:

    Ron why are you damning every one, for what reason and you do not need salvation, no wonder you do not like discussing salvation to us.

  20. I would truly love to be 100% responsible for the failure of barak hussain obama as president, what an honor that would be,
    Talk about a crown, WOW!

  21. Hi everyone,

    I rarely post on here, but I do read most of the articles posted by Bro. Geoff and a lot of the comments posted by you all, and I must say that I’m quite grieved by the way that the “rebukes” get personal (personal attacks re-packaged as rebukes), God’s Children tearing each other apart with vile words, with rarely any display of grace and mercy (which Our Precious Lord Jesus Christ Showed ALL of us). As a spiritual application, we better be careful and guard our hearts and minds in Christ Jesus, lest we also become more and more like the unmerciful servant (Matthew 18:21-35) and the elder brother of the prodigal son (Luke 15:11-32).

    Please don’t forget that we shall ALL appear before Our Lord at the Judgment Seat Of Christ (Romans 14:10; 2 Corinthians 5:10-11) and give an account of every motive, thought, word, and deed that proceeded from us during our time here on this earth; for your own sake, eternally, I plead with you all as a brother in Christ to exercise more restraint when your flesh wants to act up (Galatians 5:12-21), and to walk in the Spirit Of God so as to bear The Fruit Of The Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22-26).

    I know that we all disagree on certain doctrines sometimes, as every person has their own unique journey and relationship with The Lord Jesus Christ, and this uniqueness may result in doctrinal error due to false doctrines and false teachers. Sometimes we may not even know that we are in error, so we should try to peacefully, gracefully, and lovingly study His Word together in fellowship, asking The Holy Spirit To Lead the study and To Help us to “rightly divide the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15-16). Most false doctrines arise from the fact that people clump everything in The New Testament together and are too lazy to study His Word prayerfully, and to rightly divide It, but instead just resort to copying and pasting blocks of Scripture and teachings from other teachers (trying to look “spiritual” in the process) and smack people around with it, deceiving themselves and thinking that they are justified in the Sight Of God when all they are doing is trying to be justified in the sight of men. God Is NOT Mocked, He Sees right through our motives and our heart, so He Knows whether we’re saying things to glorify Him or to bring attention and praise to ourselves. (Galatians 6:1-10)

    There’s a lot more that I want to say, but I’m really short on time and this will have to do for now. I hope that we can all stop grieving our Bridegroom with needless bickering and strife, and just focus on praising His Name and giving thanks for Who He Is and ALL the Good things that He Has Done!

    Even so, Come Lord Jesus!

    With Love In Christ,

    Bro. Dickens Cheung

    • suez says:

      Amen Bro. Dickens, I have been trying to say that for a long time!!! But, no one has any ears or eyes it seems, but a few!! :-) God Bless you for your true and needed words!!! :-)

      • Mike says:

        Amen suez, this would be a blessing, we are
        a unique group of Christians living in the end
        times literally watching the word of God unfold
        before our eyes praise Jesues ! Too little time
        to waste on non productive arguments. Best
        keep our eyes on the Lord !

        • suez says:

          Amen Mike. People need to get their eyes off each other and off self, and get them on Jesus and his word. I love the Word of God, and so enjoying my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ! We live in exciting but scarey days….let us get ready, by preparing in his word!!! :-)

    • Ron Murphy says:

      It’s easy to condemn when you’re not getting poked.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        That was for Dickins, and Mike and Sue. Sue because you have not apologized to me I can only assume you are in this with him. I’ll be spamming your email to me from now on. I forgive you. For all the attacks you throw my way. You should forgive me of mine to you. If you need to comment to me do so here. I don’t read my spam.

        • Mike says:

          I have never sent you an email in my life,
          and I have no intentions of doing so. I don’t
          know your email address, and don’t want to
          know !

    • Teresa B says:

      God Bless you, I cant form words to say that but when I tried w Scripture, I get met w Scripture back on shutting my mouth because I am a woman. So thank you so much, I was going to post Galatians vs and now I don’t have to. Blessings to you

  22. Suez: When I’m dealing with Ron Murphy I’m dealing with evil forces, so how can you call him your brother?

    • suez says:

      Well, I’m starting to wonder about that one myself Steven…LOL I will hold off any comments on that one for a while yet…things are about to get interesting, I can feel it…LOL Me thinks the serpent is about ready to rear his ugly head again!!! LOL :-)

      • Suez: Remember how D City treated you, when you did not believe his way, he got pretty ugly with you. Now, Ron Murphy is showing his true colors to you, once again. His ego just loves insulting others and that comes from Satan. I do not believe that God teaches us to use our pride and ego’s against christians or actually anyone?

        So if its not coming from God, then it must be coming from Satan influencing him?

        • suez says:

          @STL, lets not bring up the ugly past. Let it lay. The past is the Past, I don’t dwell on it, you shouldn’t either!! A lot of people seem to have a lot of pride and ego, hey?

      • suez says:

        See Sue I can easly use you name, This is Ron. :roll:

        • suez says:

          @ The real Ron Murphy!!! Boy that is a sad and sorry thing for anyone to do, isn’t it? Shame on whoever is doing this. The love of God is not in them one bit!!!! I am very displeased and God must be also. Because he see’s everything and knows everything. God have mercy on this poor person who is doing these things. They must live to poor out strife and anger!! Must be a most miserable person. Thanks Ron, the REAL Ron, I mean…

  23. any one can post in anothers name ,I do it all the time

    • Ron Murphy: Some one really do not like you much Ron, to use your name that way, So your Sparrow, Nathan B. how many other names have you used to condemn us?

      Really Ron Murphy I think you use your own name, Ron Murphy to just get back at me, you need to work on that prideful ego of yours. You need some mental help.

      That really sick coming from you, that your hate for me, to do that against Suez and me?

      Your really Satanic person, still you need to see a Psychologist for help?

    • suez says:

      ROTFLOL,,,Yes we know that is a big fact!!!! :-)

      • suez says:

        I meant the above comment for the one that said Pastor S.T. LaRue “any one can post in anothers name ,I do it all the time I am ROTFLOL at that one!!!

    • Teresa B says:

      This is to anyone one here. To do this act is unkind and intentionally causes strife. You want to call yourselves Christians? Well good luck w that one cuz it aint happening. Who needs enemies when their own brethren are going against us.

  24. Ron Murphy says:

    Yes, I know, you use mine quite often, don’t you?

    • Ron Murphy: why would I lower myself to your level, if I’m going to insult you, I’ll used my own name against you, I do not hide behind other people. Did I ever use someones elses name, when I went up against you? NO!

      So here you go lieing again, now your playing the victim again, get real and face up how mean you are to others.

      We seen how you used Nathan B. names to attack Marie calling her a Russian, she’s gay, that Marie, was STL.

      Come on Ron, face up to it, your a liar!

  25. Ron Murphy: I call Suez/ Sue in our private emails, when we discussed private conversation with each other, like her horses or her husband convette!

  26. Ron Murphy says:

    The Lord is my Shepherd. I follow Him.

  27. Please keep The Judgment Seat Of Christ in mind, my dear brothers and sisters In Christ, THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST! Control that tongue please! It almost seems like I wasted 20-30 minutes typing that message of love and exhortation for nothing!

    Lay down all your bitterness, anger, and strife at the Cross please, thank you!

    • Dickens: Your a new comer here, this been going on for 13 months now, Ron Murphy likes pushing people from posting here, he like controllment of others, if that does not happen, he attacks everyone, by insulting them, he just hates Pre-Tribbers on this web site. And yes, its a Pre-Tribulation web site. His conversation is always about the Tribulation. He never talks about Salvation.

      • Pastor STL: Actually I’ve been on this website for a few months now and I read some of the volleys of verbal ammunition between you and Ron Murphy, along with a few others. I know very well what Ron Murphy’s doctrinal position is regarding the tribulation, and how he’s been bashing brothers and sisters who believe in what God’s Word Says about the Rapture (I have no doubt in my mind it’s a Pre-Tribulational Rapture). I just pray that Ron Murphy was saved before he started to flirt with this heresy of his, because then all he would be missing out on is the joy and peace that comes from God’s Truth. Otherwise….it would become a works-based salvation, which is no salvation at all, at least not in this current Dispensation of Grace. If that’s the case, well, then perhaps he will really get what his heart desires, which is going through The Great Tribulation.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Dickens, Let me ask you something. when Paul went to be beheaded in Rome, was he not a Christian? Yet he could of denied the Lord and saved himself. But rather thought it gain to die for God. Was it a salvation issue?

          Mat_10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
          Mat_10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

          I don’t think you would be God’s servant if He denies you!

          • Ron, Paul was saved on the road to Damascus, and from that point on he basically chose to live a surrendered and sacrificial life until the very end. Yes he could have denied the Lord but it would have almost been an impossibility at that point because of his deep relationship with The Lord. However, EVEN if he did deny The Lord into order to save his own life, he would still be a saved man, but he will definitely be ashamed at The Judgment Seat Of Christ. Staying faithful to The Lord in hopes of “staying saved” is a “works-based salvation”, which is “another gospel” (Galatians 1:6-10). Your “righteousness”, Ron, won’t amount to anything when it comes to Salvation, because ONLY The Shed Blood Of Jesus Christ Can Save! You’re either Covered In His Blood or you’re not, it’s that simple. However, striving to live a holy life consecrated to Our Lord will definitely result in a very pleasant experience at The Judgment Seat Of Christ, where your works (after you are saved) will be Judged. I truly pray that you don’t get Salvation and Discipleship mixed up into one mess, because you’ll not only be spreading a “false gospel”, but you’ll also be losing out on the joy of Eternal Security. To declare that there is no “Eternal Security” in this Dispensation of Grace is no different than spitting in The Lord’s Face and telling Him that His Blood Is not sufficient to Save you and Keep you Saved, and calling Him a liar in the process (Romans 3:4). There are many Verses on the Eternal Security of the Believer all throughout the Pauline Epistles, and to deny this doctrine is really just to deny what God Says. Like I said before, I hope that you were saved, Ron, before you started to embrace these heresies (Post-Tribulation Rapture, Perseverance of the Saints); you would really just be missing out on the joy that The Lord Wants To Give you! However, if you rely on your own works and perseverance to get saved or stay saved, then I would wholeheartedly plead with you, Ron, to go back to the Cross and lay all your sins there, and rely 100% on The Blood Of Jesus Christ To Save you, and also To Seal you until The Day Of Redemption! It’s never too late! Don’t be like those “disciples” in Matthew 7:21-23, it’s too high of a price to pay to trust in your “works” and your “faithfulness”.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Dickens, my point was, that Paul still had a choice. He chose to die. We have a decision to continue in the faith or deny that faith when tribulation or persecution comes our way. Paul made his, so did all the early church as most were martyred, by Nero. The people that had the word of God in them, but because they did not have root in that word they were weak and fell. You people make Salvation a complicated thing, trying to deceive yourselves that you are wise, Jesus said unless you became as a little child you will not enter in. A child is gullible, they will believe what they are told, so easily. We must have faith like that. It is to simple for the wise. Even, Gandhi could not conceive it, in his wisdom. A child like faith saves us. You people make a great deal out of predestination. All it is, that God foresaw what you would do, knowing your choice, in His infinite wisdom. The choice is still, totally up to you. Peter said, that God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. He left that choice to us. The choice is not His. You doctrine is Damnable. Causing people to examining themselves to be counted worthy of God’s calling, when in fact none of us are. These people that fall because of you doctrine, will be on the hands of those who’s mouth it came from. Works can not save a man, least we boast. But neither does faith, Ah! That’s right! Faith will not save you. You must accept forgiveness of sin through that faith by accepting Jesus as your Savior. For the Devils believe, they know God is real, they doubt not. The are lost. Those that said, Lord in your name we cast out devils, they believed, but their works was manifest of evil fruits. A branch that brings forth bad fruit will be cast into the fire. If your works are good then you will enjoy the pleasure of the kingdom of God. Without works faith is dead. With dead faith there is no salvation. The unbelieving and the fearful will not enter into the kingdom of God. He that seek to save his life will lose it! He that loses his life for the words sake shall save it. Who are you , to judge who divides the word of truth? To each his own. Work out your own salvation with FEAR and TREMBLING!

          • Ron: Did you not correctly read what I said? I know that Paul made a choice to endure to the end, to be martyred for his faith, but that wasn’t a necessary condition for him to be saved! He endured to the end because he loved The Lord Jesus Christ in return for His Majestic Display Of Grace and Mercy towards him, who was persecuting and killing Christians in ignorance. Even if Paul did not endure to the end and ran away like a coward, he would still have Salvation, because it’s not his works that seals him for The Day Of Redemption, It’s THE HOLY SPIRIT!

            I never even got started on predestination so I don’t know why you brought that up. Eternal Security has nothing to do with The Lord Choosing certain people to be saved while damning the rest to hell, that’s a damnable heresy of Calvinism, which I delight in exposing.

            As for your comment on faith not being able to save us, yes you’re right that our faith doesn’t save us, but rather God’s Grace THROUGH faith. The Lord Chose “faith” as the bridge to channel His Grace to us, so only God’s Grace Saves us and Keeps us Saved.

            You’re also right that we must accept forgiveness of sins through faith that Jesus Christ Is Our ONLY Savior, and that He Died, Was Buried, and Rose Again On The Third Day. You don’t add any works or persevering, or “enduring to the end” kind of stuff to Salvation, but as part of your Christian life and devotion to The Lord.

            Yes, to each his own, and as I have always said, if you want to work for your salvation, please go right ahead, because God Gave you free will and you can choose to do whatsoever you please.

            As for me and millions and millions of other believers, we believe The Lord When He Said “IT IS FINISHED”.

          • Suez: See what Ron said in his comments to Dickens: ” That right! Faith will not save you.”

            Then Ron says, we need to work out our Salvation.

        • Dickens: I really feel sorry for Ron, he has some mental issues to deal with, the problem he has not ever felt that feeling of accepting Jesus Christ into his heart and actually being saved by our Savior Jesus Christ, he is a Christian in name only, he lives by the law not by grace, and his desire to prove himself to Jesus that he is worthy to enter His kingdom of heaven. But the terrible thing about his thinking will he get the chance to refuse the mark of the beast in the first place? Just maybe mother earth might have a different idea for him, as he gets killed in earthquake, or simply, killed in a car wreak. Then he will end up going to hell just like all the other unrighteous ones!

          • Pastor STL: NEVER, EVER rejoice or take lightly the thought of people going to hell, please! I really don’t want you to be speechless before The Lord when He Asks you why you had these self-righteous and ungraceful thoughts in your heart. If it wasn’t for His Grace and His Blood, you and I may already be in hell this very moment! I don’t care what kind of bitterness or hostility you have towards Ron Murphy, or how he’s hurt you or attacked you, but don’t you ever advocate the thought of him going to hell! (2 Peter 3:9)

          • suez says:

            @STL,,,Mother Earth???? Now your a Indian??? LOL :-)

    • Teresa B says:

      Dickens, I speak to you alone here, this is the very thing I am vocal on and have been forever. When people can have more than one name w their e mail it gets very ugly. It is at another level today. We must be a light in the darkness for Christ, we should glorify Him in what we say or do and this site is so not that most of the time.

      • Amen sister, even though I don’t spend much time on this website, I’ll try to exhort the Brethren to forsake the wicked stuff that comes out of their heart and their lips. It doesn’t do anything but tear The Body Of Christ apart, which The Lord Purchased With His Own Blood. Breaks my heart, actually, to see this kind of selfish and immature behaviour…

  28. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
    Works saves no one, but without work your not saved.

    • Ron Murphy: your so wrong, The day you accept Salvation from our loving Jesus Christ, that gift can not be taken away from us, but you are right about works, we need to do good deeds for others, but faith is not dead without works, it just means less crown you’ll recieve in heaven or possible when Jesus sets up his government in the 1000 year reign, a person might become a file clerk than a important government leader, but there is no way God going to take away our salvation. Yes there will be a judgement for christian, but God will not embrassed us, we can do that to ourselves, by when God hands out the rewards in heaven, some will recieve few, some will recieve alot of rewards. But never our Lord Jesus will take back his gift of Salvation from us, after we recieved it!

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Jas_2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

        Steve, tell it to James how wrong he is, I believe him over you anyday.

        • Ron, if you don’t rightly divide The Word Of Truth (2 Timothy 2:15), you will get a lot of false doctrines and heresies, to your own demise. Remember that you don’t read The Word Of God, The Word Of God READS YOU! The Lord Knows your heart, so if your motives for studying His Word are not pure, He’ll Allow The Word Of God To Cut you up, instead of Defending you (Hebrews 4:12-13). There are so many Verses In The Bible that seem to indicate that Salvation If By Grace Through Faith Alone, yet there are also many other Verses In The Bible that seem to indicate that you have to add works to faith to either be saved or stay saved; there’s a reason for that, and that is because these Verses are not written specifically TO The Church (The Body Of Christ). If you don’t rightly divide The Word Of Truth, it will seem like there are so many contradictions, and you will just be spinning in circles in confusion no matter how much you study His Word. God Is NOT The Author of confusion, only the Devil is. Only The Holy Spirit Can Reveal His Truth to you, so pray and ask Him.

          • Tracy says:

            Dickens,
            Amen to your comments!

          • Ron Murphy says:

            You have no idea! Dickens, just who do you think James was speaking to? See if you can rightly divide that?

          • Dickens: See how Ron, has that attitude of his, that he believes he the only person that knows scripture on this web site, as I said before, he wants control, if he does not get it, he starts insulting others!

          • Ron: Read the first Verse of James… “James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.” (James 1:1) James was speaking “to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad”, so unless you also believe in the “replacement theology” heresy (the false belief that The Church has replaced Israel in God’s Prophetic Timeclock), then you are not part of the twelve tribes of Israel. We as the Body Of Christ can get lots of spiritual application and lessons from the Book of James, but we do not fit doctrinally, or else it would be a “works-salvation”, which would contradict ALL of the Verses on “Salvation By Grace Through Faith” (Ephesians 2:8-9 being one of them). There you go Ron, that is just one application of rightly dividing the Word Of Truth. We are COMMANDED By Our Lord Jesus Christ to “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.” (2 Timothy 2:15-16). There’s no way you can explain that Commandment away, along with the Exhortation From The Lord that it carries. If you want to work for your Salvation, Ron, then by all means, you are welcome to, but please don’t cause other sincere seekers to stumble because you yourself feel “the need to prove yourself worthy to Our Lord Jesus Christ”. The Lord Jesus Christ Did Not Come down to Earth To Sacrifice EVERYTHING so that you can add your “two cents of worthiness” to your Salvation. It’s 100% Jesus Christ’s Blood or nothing. It’s your soul, your eternal destiny, your choice, so choose life, not death.

          • Suez; Now am I wrong, see how Ron miss treats others, Ron wants control of the web site and when he does not, he insults others in these posts 107, 108, 110, 112.

          • suez says:

            @STL, let Ron worry about Ron, Steve worry about Steve, and everyone else worry about their self. Let us all worry about keeping our own hearts clean before the Lord. That is hard enough without worrying about others! :-(

          • Suez: But Ron is decieving others in his twisted of God’s words, is this right?

            In Ron’s Post 99, Ron said, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Then he says, “Faith will not save you.”

            Now do you believe that, Suez?

            If you look at Eph. 2:10 wherefore, my beloved, as ye have obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much in my absense, ( work out your own salvation with fear and trembling).

            first of all, Paul was not addressing these words to unsaved sinners, but to believers in Christ Jesus.

            To the saints in Philippi he is writing his epistles, and they are those who are saved. To people who are saved through grace, who are strong in the faith and willing to suffer in the behalf of Christ, to exemplary Christians, that the apostle address these words: ” work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”

            Is it, then, not abundantly evident that the meaning of this exhortation can not possibly be that somehow they must strive to be saved or must cooperate with God in their salvation?

            For the notice that the apostle, speaks of their own salvation, which implies not only that salvation is objectively theirs but that they have recieved it: it is already theirs.

            Nor must we overlook the fact that the apostle exhorts them not to recieve salvation, not to work it, not to do anything at all to obtain it, but to work it out, which means that they must let that salvation serve and reach the purpose for which it was given unto them.

            The text emphasizies that salvation is of the Lord, even unto the end, so that in working it out they are utterly dependent upon the work of God’s grace within them.

            Luke 7:50- Your faith has saved you, go in peace!

            Ron is not reading this scripture correctly, that faith will not saved you?

            By his testamony, he’s decieving others!

          • Ron Murphy says:

            After Jesus was Sacrificed, as the Lamb of God , from that point until the time of the Gentiles are fulfilled, their is neither Jew are Gentile concerning salvation Both must enter through the door Jesus is that only door. You can not make a Gospel for each, as you are trying to do. Can you not even discern that much? I feel sorry for you people, God help you to see.

          • Ron: That Verse you are referring to is in Galatians 3:28, but you can’t just take that Verse out of context to fit your twisted theology as you have done. You should read the entire Chapter Of Galatians 3 to get the context. Paul was rebuking those who were trying to put believers in The Body Of Christ back under the law, as it seems that you are trying to do. When The Lord Says “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”, He Means that EVERYONE is welcome to join The Body Of Christ, which means there are NO REQUIREMENTS NOR QUALIFIERS, other than realizing that you’re a dirty, hell-deserving, rotten sinner that is hopeless without The Blood Of Jesus Christ. What I really don’t understand is why you want so badly to work for your salvation, when The Lord Gives It to us for FREE, BY GRACE, AS A GIFT? Then again, that’s your own relationship with The Lord (if you were saved before you started to feel like you have to work for your salvation), and that’s none of my business.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Taken out of context is the best answer to people confusion? So you are telling me you believe the Jews are still under the law?

          • Ron: When did I ever say that I believe that the Jews are still under the law? My entire post in response to you was the fact that we as The Church, The Body Of Christ is NOT under the law, but under GRACE. The fact that you believe that you have to persevere to the end to be saved is NOT GRACE, so you my friend, are putting YOURSELF, and whosoever is following your teachings, UNDER THE LAW.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            By saying what James was speaking to the Jew, is saying just that, as if what he was saying, was before Christ. That is not what James was saying. James was saying, if you are born of the Spirit by faith in your Savior, then the works of the Spirit will manifest fruits in you. Without the fruits, then the Spirit is not working because of unbelief. Then the faith is dead. Jesus told us Himself what the Kingdom of God would be like, you see it had not been given quite yet! It was in Him. I’m putting us under the Law, No! I’m putting us under the Gospel, the New covenant. Jesus Christ, The Door to that Kingdom! Why do you not hear Him? He is the divider of the truth, and He is the Truth! Why do you hear Paul, but not Jesus? Ah! The Jews! Did they not reject His words? So the Gospel was given to us, not by Paul, but by Jesus Christ our King!

          • Ron Murphy says:

            That’s your and others view that I want to work for my salvation . It’s definitely not mine. Just the same as it was not for Paul. But He still worked and he still died for Christ? Sorry I ‘m totally missing your point and evidently you’re missing mine!

          • Ron: Ok then, I am glad that you don’t attribute works to your salvation, but don’t forget that “enduring to the end in order to be saved” is also a “work”, so don’t contradict yourself now ok? Leave it at Calvary and leave your Salvation up to God, not your own works or your own perseverance. Yes Paul “worked” but it was not for his Salvation, but rather out of his love for The Lord. The point is that Paul wasn’t trying to “prove his worthiness”, as it seems that you are quite bent on doing by going through the Great Tribulation, but doing it out of love for The Lord and his fellow Brethren.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            No Dickens I don’t believe in replacement theology. It is one Gospel for all. One salvation for all. The law is fulfilled, the vial is rent. No more Jew or Gentile in God’s eyes until the time of the Gentiles are fulfilled, that is when Israel will turn to Jesus as a nation. They all will be saved. They will be unblended at that time That time is at the end of tribulation.

            Luk_21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

            Rom_11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

            Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
            The Jewish remnant will not accept Jesus until they receive the word( fed) from the 2 witnesses.

            Jews have every right to accept Jesus now, They will be Raptured if they endure to the end! They are no different than the gentiles until that time.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Typo: Unblended= Unblinded

          • suez says:

            @Dickens, as far as I know, the Word is already rightly divided. The Old Testament, and The New Testament. Those under the law (old), and those in the New Testament are under grace! :-)

          • Ron Murphy says:

            :) That’s right. That veil renting broke that convenant. Are you listening , Klein?

          • Suez: No that is not correct, because even in The New Testament there are Verses which seem to indicate “Salvation By Grace Through Faith”, and there are also Verses which seem to indicate that it’s a “combination of Faith + Works”. That in itself would be a contradiction. You can’t both receive Salvation as a FREE GIFT, but then having to WORK FOR IT at the same time. “And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.” (Romans 11:6).

          • Ron Murphy says:

            No, no contradicts it’s your lack of understanding.
            You are deeply confusing about the works of the Spirit and the works that get us rewarded. The works that produce the fruit are manifested differently than the works we do for the Gospel, such as preaching singing, witnessing and etc. The works that produce the fruits of the spirit are as such: love, joy , peace, patience, longsuffering, and etc. These are the fruits of the Spirit, by the works of the Spirit within us. These must be manifested if one is born of the Spirit. The works for the Gospel are manifested into heavenly rewards, aka, treasures in heaven. I hope that clears things up for you.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Now, that being said, can we lose our salvation if we do not Help those in need? Would that be considered works and if so which type is it?
            This is both types if you have love that charity will manifest itself in you. and when you give it is a work for the Gospel. But Jesus made it clear is this passage.

            Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
            Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
            Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
            Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
            Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
            Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
            Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
            Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
            Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
            Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
            Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
            Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
            Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
            Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

        • STL says:

          Ron: Your so bent on proving me wrong, enjoy yourself, I really do not care, how you think, that’s between you and God.

          How things are going soon we all will know the exact truth if their is a Rapture before the Tribulation, and when it happen, your still here, then you will really feel bad?

          Your playing with fire and you might just be burned to death.

          What are the odds in your favor, you’ll make it to the time of taking the Mark of the Beast? Let say, your killed in a car wreak, before Satan forces you to recieve his mark, and you never believed that you were justidied by Jesus Blood an Jesus dieing on the cross for you. You’ll be lost and you’ll end up same place all the other unrighteous ones are going?

          So is it worth you being so stubborn in your pride, to allow Jesus into your heart and believe you only need faith in him, to be allow in his kingdom?

  29. Suez: when I attack someone that I disagree with them, I have always posted in Pastor or STL, since I’m so opinionated, and like everyone says, I attack them, would not I want people to know it was coming from me?

    I have no reason, to hide behind another name, as we seen Ron Murphy has done in the past, as posting as Sparrow or Nathan B. if he’s acting like a child, posting in different names, as you seen in the past posts for the last year, when he’s caught, he comes out looking like the victim?

    Why would not he used his own name, then state he never made this statement to you, it was STL or Pastor, he’s always placing the blame on someone else with his insults to them.

    Since he got caught using different names, why these 2 are not posting lately as Sparrow or Nathan B.?

    He uses the 2 names to insult others badly, then comes back as Ron Murphy as the nice guy?

  30. Dickens: question? as Ron believes he needs to work out his salvation in the 7 year Tribulation, what do you feel is his chances, since he does not need faith, he’ll make it to the point to refuse the Mark of the Beast from Satan?

    Next question, then if he’s killed before he makes it in the tribulation to refuse the mark of the beast, will he be saved?

  31. Ron Murphy says:

    The Spirit does work in us, these are Manifest in the fruits of the Spirit. We do a work that is manifested in works to be tried in the fire. The Spirit is already with fire. It does not have to go through the fire.

  32. Ron Murphy: Please do not call me a liar! As you said in the post 99: “That faith will not saved you!”

  33. Ron Murphy: when are you going to stop twisting othe believers words, just to make your ego look better than them, that you attack each day?

    You really need some mental help from a psychological doctor, you have a serious mental issues to be solved by a professional.

    I’ll pray for you, that you’ll find some mental help soon!

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