THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND

Obama’s Congress Opens With Muslim Imam’s Prayer To Allah

| August 6, 2013

One nation under Allah

“The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer” – Barack Hussein Obama

On July 31, 2013, Imam Talib Shareef of Masjid Muhammad in Washington, D.C., opened a session of the United States Congress with a prayer on Capitol Hill. This is the America that Obama has been working so hard to create.

This is the mission statement of the mosque where Talib Shareef is from:

To be a model, productive, involved Islamic community, noticeably contributing to the growth, solutions, and betterment of D.C. and the National Capitol Region, with establishments in religion, education and training, health and human services, housing for general and senior member care, neighborhood excellence, etc., embracive of all people, as a community that G-d established, exemplifying the universal teachings and life example of Prophet Mohammed (SAW), as taught by Imam W. Deen Mohammed (RA).”

 

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  1. Lyn Leahz says:

    And Jonathan Cahn’s message wasn’t allowed to be heard for a while because he talked about God’s judgment and Jesus Christ!

  2. Where’s that Rapture?!

    • leslie says:

      If you mean the coming of Christ for his children , it will be after the tribulation, we don’t get no special treatment meaning escaping the tribulation, we are too endure it as God has commanded us to do.

      • Doug says:

        Leslie, you are wrong in your belief the rapture comes after tribulation. It comes before. But it’s ok you believe what you do. You will still go to Heaven the same time the rest of us go. THAT is the important thing :)

        • Ed says:

          The “Rapture” has no Biblical authority, it is an invention of man. When you think it has begun by seeing the people around you disappearing, they will be going into FEMA camp incinerators.

          Consider also the tens of thousands of guillotines across the US and the Noahide Laws.

          “3rd century Christianity” the con of the ages. Every church with a paid pastor and up is a parasitical hierarchy. The Church of Christ was a fellowship, remember the threshing floor.

          • READ 1 CORINTHIANS 15 IT IS CALLED THE RESURRECTION OF THE SAINTS THE RAPTURE IS CALLED RESURRECTION ALSO READ 1 THESS.4:14-18 MATT 24:30-32 AND REV. 10:7 GOOD LUCK PRAY UR ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE LUKE21:36 GOD BLESS

          • Teresa B says:

            hi jumping in, I read in 1 Thess 4:16-17 talks about being ‘caught’ up w the Lord. I guess to me even tho the word Rapture is not in the Bible, does it matter the name, caught, Rapture, ? Isn’t the point that He says He is coming and we will go? Guess I missed the point, I am sorry. Thanks have a good rest of the day

          • Teresa B says:

            did not see where it went to Soldier so will ask you all. I read in 1st Thess 4:16-17 when talking about Christ coming, we will be ‘caught’ up w Him. My question is even tho Rapture word is not in the Bible, what diff does it make, meaning is the name important? Isn’t whats important that we are caught up? I have been saved for a long time but I guess I don’t see the argument important. thanks and have a great day

          • exlighthouse says:

            For the record, the word “rapture” comes from the Latin word rapturo, which is a translation of the Greek verb “caught up” that’s found in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. (copied from http://www.raptureready.com/faq/faq417.html)

            I believe the greek work is “harpatzo”

            If you want to pick on words that don’t appear in the bible be careful which language version you are using. the word “bible” doesn’t appear…

          • Teresa B says:

            Hi #17, ok so like I asked does the name matter? Its what happens and the meaning to me. All day conversation, good, and arguments not good on a subject we should all be on the same page. I a curious as to what Church everyone belongs to. Have a nice eve

          • Tracy says:

            Teresa B,
            I have always believed that all who are truly Born Again, will be caught-up to meet Jesus in the air. That it is imminent; it could happen at ANY time. However with that said, the rapture doctrine is in the GRAY area; otherwise there would not be so much discussion on this event. God must have had a reason for it to be written this way. So, regardless, Jesus will come to get us whenever God sends Him whether it’s pre, mid, or post trib. I had rather concentrate on being ready to meet our Lord, and be a witness for Him than worry about what or when. At some point and time in our life, each one of us is going to die, unless He comes first. Therefore, if ANY person truly accepts Jesus as Lord and Savior, and truly follows Him with their heart, then there is no need to worry. He will see us through whatever is ahead of us.
            1Cor.10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer ye to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
            Isn’t that comforting to know? So why preach so much fear of what’s ahead? Shouldn’t we just take one day at a time and be happy, joyful and filled with His spirit so that it will shine through to others as a witness for Him.
            That doesn’t mean there will never be any tribulations in our lives, or tribulations to come in our life, but that He will see us through.
            We are never going to agree on ALL that is written in His Word, we should accept others opinions, keep our theory, and live each day serving Him. No one likes another Christian’s doctrine pushed on them. We need to leave it to the Holy Spirit who guides those who humbly ask.
            Praise Him Always.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            You Just don’t get it, Tracy. Let me enlighten you a little.

            Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
            Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
            Tracy this isn’t talking about the world here. They have no reason to be offended. Will you been offended?

          • Teresa B says:

            Ron I did not see anything wrong w Tracy to me, I am tired at the end of the day defending myself for asking questions! lol Blessings

          • Ron Murphy says:

            That wasn’t to you Teresa. I’m trying to help her see, maybe just a little tiny bit, out of the corner of her eye, why we teach what we do. She seems always to be mystified by why we are here for. I’m in no way reprimanding her for what she believes. As long as she makes it home, is what counts. I asked, will you be offended, to everyone. The Bible didn’t say a few. It said many. Some will not be ready. But we are trying to change that, with God’s help.

          • Teresa B says:

            You know what? I know you are all Brothers and Sisters in Christ and chasing the same goal that’s the important thing. Meat filled energy up and ready to go! Some of us will spend a lifetime getting there for various reasons, but not ever giving up! So, I will keep pluggin looking fwd to the Bible Study tomorrow, hope I don’t mess up somehow! Going to bed, good chat all day , blessings

          • Tracy says:

            Ron,
            No I won’t. I honestly don’t think you get it Ron. God is going to be with me and mine until the end. I’m not worried about it. He will never leave me or forsake me. Now do YOU get it?
            It only takes a second to die, I can thing of worse things. Can’t you?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Yes, Sister! I get it. Great answer. I’m Proud of you for that. I don’t believe you will be one of those offended. But seriously this we teach is very important, and maybe not to you, but to the many that shall be offended. It just might make some of them think twice.

          • Teresa B says:

            Hi Ron and Brenda , not sure I am sticking around, not cut out for this bickering/teaching by folks. I was looking for a calmer Bible Study conversation not YOU ARE WRONG type place. I am new to all this and slowling learning, opinions are hurtful on a Christian site, because ea one thinks their opinion is right. That really doesn’t work for me.

          • Teresa B says:

            Hi Tracy, thank you for that! Like I said arguments on here by some is just that for my simple mind its one way not another. I am just not used to it in Churches I attended. We are all on the same page, certainly not arguing Rapture/Tribulation but then you wouldn’t attend if you thought different? My friend is 7th Day, VERY faithful servant, but am told they are a Cult. sometimes at the end of the day feel like been in a courtroom defending myself! You have a nice eve, Blessings

          • Tracy says:

            Teresa B,
            Do not worry. There are two or three on this site, and have been for months, that can’t stand for me and a few others to disagree with them. It’s been going on for awhile. They’ve had their hand called a few times because of their know-it-all attitude.
            Stay with us Teresa.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Yes, that’s what I’m talking about. You just think that, Tracy. Only God can see that for sure. It’s you that separate us, and then you act holy. Now who got the attitude you spoke of earlier.

          • Beautifully written ! Jesus will be back for his own ! We are his Bride .

          • Yes, good post Tracy!!

          • Teresa B says:

            thank you Holly, cant find Tracy, have a great day!

        • Gary says:

          Actually, Doug, You can no more prove the Rapture to be post-trib than Leslie can prove it to be pre-trib. The only thing we can do is be prepared for anything.

          The way most Christians are, today, they’d better hope He comes and takes them away, prior to any tribulation, because if they cannot serve Him, during peacetime, how will they stand strong, when the going is rough?

          • craig says:

            you guys are all wrong.. Why would God allow his bride to undergo the wrath of him when it is meant for satan and his people

            if you read Revelations 3:10 it says “Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.”

          • Susan says:

            Ok all you guys, how can the Lord come back for a spotless bride unless we are tried? Que sera sera, what will be will be! We are told not to argue amongst ourselves which causes derision! Tracy is right, quit talking about the trib and start doing what the Lord has commanded us all to do, He will come when the time is right. We are as filthy rags in His eyes right now and He has to see which of us are faithful and that is by trial by fire and testings aka tribulations both personal and world wide. Stop the back and forth, you turn away others because of this behavior. I have said my peace, now will you all act or just go on accusing and dividing (satan’s game plan)?

          • Teresa B says:

            Hi Susan, I try to say what you did, doesn’t come out right. Most days I am worn out trying to defend my questions or a comment. From reading disagreements on Scripture meaning. I won’t give up yet but I thought it would be totally different. I need a Christian Blog that is kind, thoughtful, encouraging, prayerful, calmer. I don’t know if you know who Beth Moore is but I could use a dose of her Bible Study about now! Have a good day

          • Teresa B says:

            THANKS KERMIT,Thats my umpteenth Blessing today, have a great rest of it!

          • Tracy says:

            Teresa B,
            I am sorry that it has been this way for you. I, too, am growing weary of this site due to some of the discussions causing arguments. Everyone of us knows that God doesn’t like division among His own. But, for some reason I keep hanging on. Hope you do as well.
            God Bless You

          • Teresa B says:

            I will if you do! I think I was so shocked the Body was in strife. I have never been around that, don’t like it but I can glean from the words God sends also no matter how they come. Today a man sent a link to a site that is encouraging, etc but I had trouble signing up so may not mess w it. I am ole woman don’t like trouble! So that was the blessing from hi, never saw him on here before thank you for kind words, you guys are great

          • Tracy says:

            Susan,
            Thank you. To me the timing doesn’t matter.
            IF A PERSON IS TRULY SAVED BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST; THEN DON’T WORRY ABOUT THE TRIBULATION. HE WLL TAKE CARE OF US REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS AHEAD. SALVATION IS THE KEY. As I’ve said before, how do we know the U.S. is going to be here during that time. We may be wiped-out, or raptured before. So what about the lost souls, they died with out our Lord.

          • Rick says:

            Well Said Gary!

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Jesus Said Immediately after tribulation , that’s enough proof for me. But Rev 20 also verifies this and Rev 6: 12 as well. This should be enough proof for any righteous believer.

            Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
            Mat. 24:31

            Here we have Tribulation and then the Rapture.Next is the Wrath of God.
            Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
            Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
            Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

            Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
            These are the same as the souls under the altar.Rev 6:9
            Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that
            were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

            Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
            Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

        • tina grunow says:

          you are wrong rapture will be first we will be out of here before triulation begins why would us as gods children be punished he will not put us through the hell on earth that will happen we will be with him in heaven no where in the bible does it say we will be here through the hell on earth tribulation is for those who refuse to give it all to jesus and be with him in heaven and it is getting closer and closer everyday

          • Mike says:

            Explain all those that have died for the sake of Christ. Through out History people have paid ugly deaths for the sake of Christ. If we all are to leave with out trouble then the rest that have died torturus deaths with have an argument with God.

          • 2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
            2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

          • Travis says:

            The difference is that those Christians that have died will receive a martyrs crown in Heaven. God rescued a wicked and backslidden Lot and family out of Sodom and Gomorrah before his wrath took place. The difference is death from God’s wrath, and death from men’s sin and rebellion. God wrath is toward the sin , but Christians have been washed clean in God’s eyes by the blood of His son.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Travis, it goes much deeper than that actually.
            The martyrs will be the only ones to be resurrected at the 1st resurrection and these that are let here will be the only ones raptured. It not a fairy tale that’s what God says.

            Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
            Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
            Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
            It will be a bigger deal than you think.

          • exlighthouse says:

            1 Thessalonians 5:9 “For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but …”

            God’s wrath will be poured out during the Great Tribulation so we will miss that.
            However we will have tribulations

            John 16:33 “I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”

          • Ron Murphy says:

            I believe you are wrong, Brother. God will pour out his wrath after trib. Tribulation is on the saints of God, Wrath is on the wicked after trib, Jesus said immediately after tribulation of those days. then they will see Him coming with power and great glory and then shall all the earth mourn. All the earth mourning is the wrath of God.

            Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
            Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

            Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
            Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Then why was all of the apostles punished> Why did all the prophets punish. God didn’t do these things. But what makes you so special that you feel worthy not to die for the Lord. Rude awakening for you coming! Will you be offended?

          • Please google “period”.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            I missed my period, so what? :)

        • knutcase says:

          Why is it they say allah when referring to the prayer but if you read this article it does not spell out the word God at all but blanks out part of the word.

      • Maurice says:

        Way to stick to the scriptures. This generation there are lots of Christians who have spotted robes, because many of us have strayed and returned. God will save all that are his, however. Like me I need a new robe. Just make sure you have love before you die for the sake of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

      • kate says:

        Leslie, how is preaching your false view any form of “COMFORT” at all. If you read the Revelation of Jesus Christ to John then you ALSO known that not many people survive the Great Tribulation period, and those who are not burned to a crisp by nuclear holocausts, crushed by every mountain falling and every valley rising up, famines, plagues, and the martrydom by extremists of the saints of God on earth occur because they will refuse the Mark of the Beast!

        This leaves very little to rejoice about.

        How could there be any COMFORT in going through hell on earth where evil wll be so great because the people remaining on the earth are there because they rejected Yeshua Ha’mashiach and now come under “strong demonic mind control” as as is unveiled in 2 Thessalonians 2:8–12 (KJV 1900) 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

        Leslie, you need to reread the scriptures and understand a few important pieces about (1 Corinthians 15:50-58) Biblia Sacra Vulgata’s “rapiemur”=> in which the Lord … “caught up” OR “forcefully removes His possessions!”

        Simply understanding the specific pieces of 1 Corinthians 15:50-58 CHALLENGES your position. Even in Matthew 24:29–31 refutes your premise. If you would study the original text (get yourself a Greek-Hebrew Bible and actually study) the you will DISCOVER that the ELECT of God are already in heaven in the Matthew 24 “Coming of Jesus” — Jesus has the angels collect the ELECT from all across “ouranos” — the heavens, the place above literal earth (definitely NOT referring to earth here).

        1st, the Hebrew phrase, “In the Twinkling of an Eye” refers to a phenomena at ‘TWILIGHT’ that OCCURS every 24 hours when “Day quickly becomes the Evening;”

        2nd, the reference “last Trump” is associated with ONLY ONE PARTICULAR EVENT and that event is the announcement of Rosh HaShanah; the only Feast of the Lord in which you NEVER KNOW the day or the hour of its beginning (just approximations).

        By comparison, the “first Trump” announces Pentecost and the “Great Trump” announces Yom Kippur (Atonement or Judgment) and NONE of these TRUMPS are the TRUMPETS of the Book of Revelation.

        1 Corinthians 15:50–52 (KJV 1900) 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 BEHOLD, I shew you a MYSTERY; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the Twinkling of an Eye, at the “LAST TRUMP:” for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

        I advise you to Study to show yourself approved, rightly dividing the Word because the Secret things of God (Mysteries, Riddles, difficult sayings, parables) belong to the believers (Deuteronomy 29:29)=> who are exhorted to “SEARCH out the KING’S MATTER” as is clearly demonstrated by Daniel the prophet and many other people of faith.

        Deut29.29_Prov1.1-7_Prov25.1-2_Dan2.19-23_Luke8.16_Secrets of God_King’s Matter

        Revelation 22:18–19 (KJV 1900)
        18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Kate, the comfort is just this one main thing, that when we fall it will be straight into the loving arms of Jesus because we will be very precious to Him. Another thing that you totally misunderstand is the bride. As widely as it’s taught the bride is not the church. This is taught mostly because Paul used the reference to the church as a wife being under submission to her husband as to the church being under submission to Christ. The does not validate the bride as to being the church. The Wedding Supper is the thousand year reign. The bride is coming after that, being the holy city the New Jerusalem.

          Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
          Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

          Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.
          Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

        • Aaron David says:

          The comfort is in our faith, in Jesus Christ, in the truth of Scripture, that Jesus will come, will raise the dead, will slaughter the wicked, will establish His everlasting kingdom. Temporal suffering and martyrdom for the sake of the name of Christ Jesus are privileged blessings, not hell. Hell is the lake of fire and will never end. There is no comparison. The martyrs of God are Spirit filled and gifted with abundant grace to overcome all the world can dish out. I fear for those who do not believe. Who have received a spirit of fear and do not trust God’s words, only their circumstances. Who cannot bare the thought of suffering for Christ, and so are already defeated. When a gun is to that one’s head, will they not deny Christ? Build faith to face that day through fellowship with God, or you may just miss the mark. I know God, and that suffering is temporal and death is impossible, so I have no fear of suffering or death. This is a prize worth running well for!

        • Aaron David says:

          ” you will DISCOVER that the ELECT of God are already in heaven in the Matthew 24 “Coming of Jesus” — Jesus has the angels collect the ELECT from all across “ouranos” — the heavens, the place above literal earth (definitely NOT referring to earth here).”

          Where in Scripture does it say how they were gathered into heaven, aside from death? See, unless there are two witnesses, we are not to listen. Has it not occurred to you that Jesus was speaking of His elect angels? Is it not they who rally to the trump?
          Also, this does not fit your theory of escape- 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
          Or this- 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
          Or this, Jesus was talking with men, His disciples in the earth, right? – 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
          So, that gathering CANNOT be of men because it CANNOT be the last trump. The dead are still to be raised, then the living to follow. I believe God’s words, and the words popular with men are opposed to them.

      • Penny says:

        Your god will send you to hell.

        • Teresa B says:

          sorry jumping in here whose god is sending whom?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Teresa, this is the 3rd largest site of it’s kind, we get all different kinds on here.

          • Teresa B says:

            Hi Ron, sorry I jumped in saw comment and tried to find where it came from but did not. I am an enquiring mind. I thought it was a group, large, but until yesterday when all what broke loose realize from all over. Naïve I know, but its the same folks who post is why I thought that. Especially when yesterday Lyn shows up. I had lost her awhile back when she changed her Blog site. I knew then when she wrote me that people from all over come here. Not Rev, I know he lives elsewhere, You know what I mean? anyway, nice talking w you, have a great day!

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Then he’s not our god, Penny. We serve a Righteous God. If we obey Him, we will be with Him. Our God doesn’t lie like that.

      • Gene says:

        I believe you need to restudy God’s Word..
        His children will not have to suffer thru the tribulation..

        • Ron Murphy says:

          So, we are not appointed to wrath, correct? What does it say about tribulation. You see tribulation is for the saints of God, not for the world. The world is lost and don’t need tried. Tribulation is not Wrath of God, but the Bible calls it the wrath of satan.

          Dan 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

          1Pe_4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
          1Pe 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

          Rev_3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
          Will keep thee is referring to lured into temptation. You will know to resist the mark.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Exactly, Correct, Leslie! He that endures to the end the same shall be saved.

      • M Howard says:

        Christians are called up to be with Christ before the beginning of the 7 yr tribulation period

      • morgan rowe says:

        Hey Leslie, the parable of the 5 wise and 5 foolish virgins indicates that around 50% of christians will be taken away and the ones left will have to pay the piper. In Revelations the Trib lasts for 3.5 years. Its written 3 different ways. Yes some will have to endure it and I hope I’m not one of them

    • Why are people assuming Obama is THE antichrist….stop worrying about the antichrist…just keep tell the Gospel let God deal with the rest

      • Teresa B says:

        wild thought he is muslim? Peacemaker? Who knows but we know its not in Scripture he is, US not even in Scripture. Anti is coming sooner than later right?

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Brother Terry is right, the antichrist is coming from the middle east, from the old Grecian empire, He is the king of the north. That would be Turkey or Syria. He will be king of Persia. His empire will envelope the entire middle east. His capitol will eventually be Jerusalem. That is one reason why she is the harlot of Revelation 17. The ten Horns are the leaders of the cities that surround Jerusalem, Moab, Ammon, Edom, Gaza, Tyre, to name a few. They will give their power to the antichrist.

          Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
          Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

          • Teresa B says:

            Hi that’s what I mean, I don’t learn well from just Scripture in certain areas of the Bible, Teaching is easier, thank you,blessings,

          • Ron Murphy says:

            I understand that. Most are like you in that they can not see the scriptures. It would be much easier to teach with out them. But the scriptures must be added to show proof still. But I will try to expound better in the days ahead for that sake, Thank you, Sister. God bless you.

          • Teresa B says:

            You already have, thanks a bunch!

      • According to scripture Obama is not the anti-Christ. The anti-Christ will come from the area of what used to be the old Babylon. How ever is it my belief that he is possessed just like Hitler was. That he why he seems to have so much power over people. When Islam came into being in 610 AD it started in a region know for extreme demonic activity and evil. The fact that Allah, is the Arabian moon god, show that Islam is a Pagan. Demon possessed people have not respect for life or who they kill. Islam is not a religion as far as I am concerned but a radical political system that seeks domination of the world and it is sexual in nature as most Pagan beliefs were.. The Prophet was historically known to be a child molester and used women for sexual pleasure. Thus the belief that if you kill someone in Jihad you will make it to heaven and have 72 virgins for your pleasures. Islam is based only on the satisfaction of the male members and women are only used for reproductive service that basically abandoned by their husbands and treated as a none person, not allowed to work. Basically women and children are slaves. The subject of Islam was taught in a Demonology class I enrolled in. Most Christian collages or Seminaries no longer teach that class.

        • Teresa B says:

          I had quit for the day but, do you think non Christians think that cuz none of my friends do. Ok prefece, thinking those on here are of Catholic or Evangelical? If I was a Mainstream Believer which I was most of my life, would not be on here, taught differently. Is it those folks? My other question is, do you think it would make a difference if it was taught? Thank you for your note.

        • KB says:

          Barry O is not the anti-christ! However, he “IS” anti Christ!

        • Gary says:

          Rev. Carter: Scripture tells us there will be many anti-christs, prior to the big kahuna, who will make the little ones his ambassadors.

        • Penny says:

          Rev Terry, You out it just right. They are possessed Demon’s.

        • Siddiqui says:

          I am assuming you got all your knowledge about Islam from Fox News, Google and Bing Search Engine? :)

          • You assume incorrectly.

          • wisefool says:

            Who cares where it’s from. Whether it’s truth or not matters. What ISN’T the truth is what main stream misinformation media tries to bull crap everyone with, like trying to convince everyone Islam is a ‘religion of peace’ and it’s only the ‘extremists’ that give it a bad name. Their best angle are the short memories of us dumbed down Americans.

          • Benyomin says:

            I don’t know about Terry Carter, but I got my first impressions of Islam from looking at web sites established by Muslims to introduce the West to Islam… prior to 9/11/11

            http://bennysopinions.blogspot.com/2012/06/where-were-you-on-september-10th-2001.html

          • Teresa B says:

            Sir, respectfully I ask you, why are you on here? Are you trying to learn more about Christ? Because these folks may disagree on certain things, they all are all followers of Christ. You apparently are not. Please tell me what part of Islam celebrates our Risen Lord. none. Celebrates Love, none. Since you know all about Google and FOX sharing misinformation, please point out the articles so I can look. Thank you, have a nice day

        • wisefool says:

          Rev. Terry well written and very TRUTHFUL. Sweet and to the point.

      • Susan Toolan says:

        Amen to that Richard – Amen to that! We are to focus on Christ – NOT the world or the antichrist. We are chosen children of God, saved by the blood of Jesus Christ and His grace and mercy by faith. Our job is the Great Commission. We are to spread the word of Jesus to ALL of the World. Live as Jesus Christ did by His example through the Holy Bible – God’s word. Our instruction manual. God Bless you!

      • kate says:

        The supernatural phenomena of certain Kings “finding their names written in the Hebrew Book” like King Josiah and King Cyrus may explain why some people believe Obama is the Antichrist.

        If you go to the Hebrew and look up Barack O^Bama you will find a very interesting reference in Luke 10:18 which Yeshua quoted from Isaiah 14:12-22.

        Jesus, would have been speaking to his disciples in Hebrew when He said, “I saw Satan fall like LIGHTNING from the HEIGHTS” … (barack or baraq is Hebrew for LIGHTNING) and (‘bamah or bawmah’ is HEBREW for “HEIGHTS”) … in Isaiah 14, you find ASCEND in Hebrew is “alah” and again, “bamah” for HEIGHTS! I don’t’ know how you would say ‘from’ in Hebrew but I stumbled upon this years ago as I was doing a study of the Hebrew words of Isaiah 14. My eyes slammed open at the DISCOVERY of “alah” and “bamah” so I then looked up Barak in Hebrew to find “lightning.” Knowing that Luke 10:18 is the scripture recording in the NT that references Isaiah 14, I then searched the Internet to see whether anyone else had made the same DISCOVERY. Today, when you go to YouTube or other postings, many people are talking about this strange phenomena.

        Here are a few other reasons:
        Obama’s selection for his stages is a copy of Satan’s seat at PERGAMUS!

        Obama quoted Psalm46 “be still and know that I am God” at the dedication of the Freedom Tower, where previously people marched around the “all seeing eye” placed into the Freedom Tower’s foundation; Obama also signed the beam which went into the tower as, “We remember, We rebuild, We grow stronger!” Isaiah 9:8-10 “spirit of defiance”. The letters ‘W’ or ‘V’ in Hebrew have the numeric value of ’6′ … hence, Obama purposely signed it ’666!’

        The Freedom Tower, which replaced the Twin Towers is a copy of the abominations at Mecca regarding the people of the ‘Mother Book’ (Islam) and the idol of the black stone and its giant yoni, kissed annually by initiates (Babylonian Cult practices). Is it not in Zechariah where the abominations and basket are called wickedness. Infidels aren’t allowed in Mecca for obvious reasons!

        Instead of the Freedom Tower site being dedicated to God as George Washington dedicated the entire property of Ground Zero/USA many years ago, Obama blasphemed God and dedicated the temple/altar to Lucifer/satan as the New World Order’s Babel, which is now under one tower.

        If Barack Obama is NOT the Antichrist, then he is “a son of perdition” by much of his antigod and blasphemous activities and statements.

    • beth says:

      Any true christian knows that the rapture is never mentioned in the Bible but what is does say is that God is against those who teach his children to fly to save their souls… it’s a verse you can look it up yourself. What that’s saying is that it’s a false teaching it’s wrong. The anti Christ will show up first and many will be deceived… We will know for sure when it is really Jesus Christ because we will be in spiritual bodies I know that probably sounds strange but we are spirits with bodies not bodies with spirits… spirits never die only the flesh.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Amen, Beth.

        Eze_13:20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.

      • Aaron David says:

        O my, a Murreyite Arnbot strikes again! That man is an insane demoniac cult leader, you know?

    • wisefool says:

      Rapture is pre-trib, not pre-SHTF in the U.S. Leslie doesn’t know his/her Bible. It doesn’t mean we won’t see persecution

      • Ron Murphy says:

        I would say Leslie knows the Bible better than most preachers do. It said few that follow the narrow path and many false prophets. He said take heed. He said:
        Mat_10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
        I wonder just what in this whole wide world could He of been referring to??????

    • Scott H says:

      Soon, my friend… very soon.

  3. Debi says:

    Maybe Obama should just stay on vacation and stay out of the White House. While this makes Obama and his followers extremely happy, this makes God very angry. This Is the time Christian’s must pray for America. That God holds back his and to let it be destroyed. So Christians may still live in freedom to worship freely to the one and only true God. And that many more souls can be gathered unto Christ, our Lord and Savior.
    Debi

    Debi

  4. Teresa B says:

    When this happened my heart broke. No World Day of Prayer just Ramadan Celebrations, no Easter but the hunt, no Christmas but Secular whatever. He needs a good dose of humbleness and so do I!

  5. STL says:

    If your not a Christian, your a Muslim!

    • S. Klein says:

      I am not a Christian. I not a Muslim.

      • S. Klein says:

        PS: No offense intended. Christianity will NOT save this nation.

        • Teresa B says:

          OK if you are not a Christian why are you on here to create argument? There is enough of that between us! Otherwise your comment makes NO sense to us. Then you go and say Boehner should go, and talk about Brotherhood? Whats up w you.

          • S. Klein says:

            I am not looking for an argument. Discussion would be fine. I wrote about Brotherhood? Where? Obama is not my brother. John Boeher has been helping Obama succeed. What good is an Opposition (party) that isn’t an opposition (party)? Obama is destroying this country. God seems to be helping Obama more than he is helping “my side.” Why? Do Christians ever wonder why God is not blessing us with victory? We need John Boehner like we need hemorrhoids.

          • Joseph says:

            Perhaps Gods judgement is on America. God has blessed America and we have turned our back on Him as a nation.

          • S. Klein says:

            I agree but how have we turned our back on Him? What is our greatest sin? Please do not say child-killing (abortion). God hates the shedding of innocent blood but that is not America’s greatest sin. Besides, the Republican party platform is pro-life. Please do not say condoning homosexual lifestyle and marriage. (Republicans support traditional marriage between a husband and a wife.) Homosexual marriage is a terrible sin but that is not the greatest sin. It is not why Christian America has turned her back on God. Does Christianity have any answers? Why is God not blessing us with victory over our enemies like He blessed Joshua and David with victory? Why is God giving our enemies victory over us? Why is Barack Hussein Obama mocking Christians and having his way over them?

          • Teresa B says:

            S and whomever if I mixed names up, kinda hard things move. Those things you mentioned are just part of the pic to me, sorta the topping on the cake. I said yrs ago when I kept saying there are more Gays than people think, things will swing one day. Abortions same thing, yrs ago even when legal not near like now. So I look at those as signs God disappeared. He was never around when they built the Wash DC Buildings, there are Occultic Symbols everywhere. It is said our Founding Fathers were Christians, yes but if you look Masonic. How does that work? Why did you say Christianity will not save this Nation? It could if enough Prayer was achieved, the Lord would do what He does. But then you go to another level, that is not Phrophecy as we know it.

          • S. Klein says:

            I don’t see today’s church presenting a vision why God is not blessing America. Maybe the closest I see in that respect is Pat Robertson. I am not sure Robertson sees it but he is closer than most have seen today. Where is the sarcasm?

          • watchman48 says:

            Many say they are a Christian, but saying you are a Christian doesn’t make you a Christian and saying America is a Christian nation doesn’t make America a Christian nation….
            True Christians are known by their deeds, they hold to God teachings they don’t support those (Politicians) that don’t uphold His teachings.
            No one can know God’s ways unless they study His WORD.
            Political correctness is most always the removing the righteousness desires of Christ and replacing it with our unrighteous desires that pleases our cravings of the heart…. And we know from God’s WORD the heart is corrupted:
            Jeremiah 17:9
            The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?
            Yes America has turned away from God and He has given her a corrupt leader in hope that the people’s hearts may turn back to HIM in repentance.

          • mj says:

            Watch Shepard’s Chapel. All will make the kind of sense it never has before because it is just not taught in the churches.

          • 100% haram says:

            i think we need to just humble ourselves and seek Him. no other sin compares to turning our backs to Him. this can NOT be won without Him. the activism is great, but we need to fight on a spiritual level. every day on the way to work, G-d dropped a new job in my lap where i drive by the big mosque plus a madrassa. i pray for their salvation, their hearts to turn as i drive by. and i suspect that is why i got the job for. it was odd how it came about, since i didn’t actually apply for it but got interview call and was hired.

            johua and david put all their trust in Him. they did not falter despite what anyone said or how bad it looked they did not lose faith. that is their example for us. never mind who is doing what. as Jesus said, “what is that to you? you follow Me.”

          • kate says:

            Study Jonathan Cahn’s UNVEILING of Isaiah 9:8-10 regarding the literal HARBINGERS of Isaiah 9 sitting on display in NYC: the Assyrian terrorists (in the ashes); the fallen bricks: the hewn stone placed in the Freedom Tower’s base; the uprooted Sycamore; the replacement tree=> Cedar; the proclamation of Isaiah 9 itself by national officials (Tom Daschale, John Edwards & Obama); spirit of defiance in NOT repenting but “BUILDING STRONGER” and dedicating the new temple/altar at Ground Zero by NWO initiates (all seeing eye in foundation where initiates walked around dedicating Freedom Tower as an altar to the god of fortresses); turning away from God=> subsequent CHASTISEMENT/JUDGMENT every 7-years falling on the Shemitah because America refuses to repent (Romans-1 => Revelation 21:7–8):

            Sept17-2001 “Great Recession”
            Sept29-2008 “Market Crash”
            Sept13-2015 ??????

            Just as the nation of Israel turned their back on God collectively, the USA has done so as well.

          • Is this guy a jew ?

          • Teresa B says:

            hey where ya been? you going down or coming up? He is a Messianc Jew/Christian

            You should read the Harbinger

          • Hi, I am doing fine,thanks for asking.I had a feeling he was,looked him up in google just to make sure.

          • Goodnight Teresa B

          • Benyomin says:

            S. Are you familiar with Taanach?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            S. Klein, America’s sin is the same as Israel’s, her adultery with idols.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Well, Joseph and then there is us. God has His people still here, When we are taken away then the smoke will roll.

          • Teresa B says:

            I don’t understand sarcasim, not in my vocabulary so have a hard time deciphering things. You said you were not a Christian or Muslim then what are you? I don’t disagree w you at all on Political side, was just wondering, thank you S.

          • S. Klein says:

            I am of the same faith as Moses and Jesus. I pray to the same God Abraham, Moses and Jesus prayed to.

          • Lance says:

            So your Jewish?

          • Benyomin says:

            Jesus said to the religious leadership of his day “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.” John 5:46

            Do you believe that Moses wrote about Jesus?

          • S. Klein says:

            Oh, now I see what you are talking about. I mentioned Obama’s friends, the Muslim Brotherhood. You think Muslim Brotherhood is about brotherhood (fellowship) in a good sense? There is NO brotherhood between Muslims (Barack Hussein Obama) and non-Muslims. The Qur’an enjoins Muslims to not take Christians or Jews as friends (brothers).

          • Teresa B says:

            Finding where to go back to is to much time wasted so apologize. What I meant by sarcasm as I explained you said you were not Christian or Muslim that s why I said what are you/ I have a hard tine telling jokes from serious with you all sometimes. I meant no offense

          • Benyomin says:

            Jesus said to the religious leadership of his day “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.” John 5:46

            Do you believe that Moses wrote about Jesus?

      • Gary says:

        S. Klein: You’ll do yourself well to hang onto the coming Christ because, if you’re not for Him, you’re against Him and, if you’re against Him, you will burn in Hell with the those, who decided to ignore Him.

  6. Steve says:

    Be alert and be prepared. Be ever watchful. Change is coming……

  7. S. Klein says:

    Republican Speaker Boehner allowed this. Boehner is the same man who joined McCain, Rubio and others condemning Congresswoman Michele Bachmann because she and four of her colleagues (including Texas Congressman Louie Gohmert) called for an investigation into Muslim Brotherhood penetration into our government. In their letters they mentioned Clinton aid, Huma Abedin’s familial connections to the Muslim Brotherhood. Speaker Boehner called what Bachmann did “dangerous.” Boehner needs to go!

  8. I am only surprised that it wasnt in Arabic with a few choice curses on the “American Infidels” I guess that will be soon. Stay tuned! You drive a wedge in narrow end first. Or in this case I guess a better analogy would be that if the Camel’s nose is allowed in the whole camel will soon be in your tent. WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?
    Google Sermon Index “The Sin Of Silence” by Lawrence White It is the most powerful and convicting Sermon Ive ever heard.

    • Joseph says:

      Welcome back Kevin! Always enjoy your posts.

    • Joseph says:

      Just watched the You Tube video of The Sin Of Silence. Everyone should watch and share! Powerful stuff.

      • Thanks for your kind words Joseph.
        We are mailing CDs of “The Sin Of Silence” to every pastor in the area. (Over 200) I have given away a couple hundred in front of Planned Parenthood here in Ft Collins, Colo across from the University. I have found out that two other Pro Life activists have been also distributing it to pastors. It is a beautiful thing to discover that what you sense God wants done is independently being done by others confirming that you are all hearing from God. The sermon is 13 years old but each of us feel strangely compelled to spread it around. Apparently you must feel it too because you said “EVERYONE should watch and share!” :-)
        Bless you brother.

        • Teresa B says:

          Hi Kevin, I am near you, thank you. what all do you do? Blessings

          • Hi Teresa. That is very hard to respond to. I am a selfish and sinful man that God Mercifully and Graciously decided to touch. That is all.

          • Teresa B says:

            what does that mean please

          • It means that if I started listing “What all I do” I could fall prey to a satanic device of “Pride” One of the Puritans said “A proud faith is as much a contradiction as a humble devil.”
            Considering what Jesus did for me there is NOTHING that….
            Isaac Watts said it best in his hymn
            “When I survey the wondrous cross
            On which the Prince of glory died
            My richest gain I count but loss
            And pour contempt on all my pride
            Were the whole realm of nature mine
            That were a present far too small
            Love so amazing so Divine
            Demands my soul, my life, my ALL”

            Wow. about half a minute ago while writing the last line of this Hymn it started playing on the stereo! ;-) Considering the changer holds about 325 songs… HALLELUJAH!!! THAT is just the way our Wonderful God rolls isnt it!? One of the plethora of reasons I love Him!

          • Lyn Leahz says:

            Amen! God yelled at me once through a preacher on the radio! LOL The man was yelling at me everything I had been doing wrong that God kept trying to tell me to stop doing. And in my sinfulness, I was just doing what I wanted. Boy, did that get my attention! The Lord does wondrous things for sure!

          • Marilyn says:

            Wow…Kevin, that is exactly what I thought when you said it started playing on stereo…then you added the number of songs…just love when our amazing, wonderful, all knowing God lets us know a confirmation in such unique ways…HALLELUJAH!!
            Makes me want to cry…for joy, humbleness, for HIM!

          • AMEN Marilyn! He gives us ample reasons to praise and worship Him. I believe He delights in giving us those gentle loving nudges and in doing so says “Hey, Im here and I love you!” HALLELUJAH!

          • Tracy says:

            Amen Kevin and All,
            Something similar happened to me just last night. At first I thought coincidence; then suddenly I new it was God.
            Praise Him!

          • Teresa B says:

            I am ne who does not believe in coincidence anymore, have had to many God stories some same and some not connected. SO many, this may sound crazy I should have written them all down!!! Funny tho you tell a non believer and they just look at you, coincidence you know

  9. Joseph says:

    I agree that Boehner has forsaken his party and the citizen’s of America. God wont save this nation. He will save all those who call Him Lord and Savior.

  10. Michelle says:

    Pslam 12:8 KJV

    The wicked walk on every side when the vilest men are exhalted -

    This scripture is playing out right before our eyes -

    COME LORD JESUS COME!!!!!!!

  11. S. Klein says:

    Remember Joshua cried out to the LORD asking Him why he brought Israel across the Jordan only to be slaughtered by our enemies?

    Lord Jesus is telling Christians (like God told Joshua after he defeat at Ai), “Get off your face, you have sin in your camp.”

  12. Cliff Truman says:

    The prayer of the guest religious leader was politically correct and unoffensive to anyone. Any evangelical could easily accept the positive thoughts contained therein.

    Satan truly transforms himself into an angel of light. The gullible, un-biblically trained individual can see no harm in muslim theology if this prayer were their only criteria.

    God will use the scourage of Islam to punish this demoralized, Laodecian age professing church.

  13. Me says:

    How much more will it take 4 these people 2 see? It’s disturbing on so many different levels. “Come quickly,Lord Jesus!”

  14. The time for prayer is over. It’s time to take action. Christians must make their voices heard.!

  15. Teresa B says:

    What does it mean when you post something denied for no explanation or obvious reason? If that did not happen the how do I access older posts? Thanks and Blessings

    • Teresa B says:

      I got a reply on something I questioned so know it went . I realized where I went wrong I think so no more questins I think, thanks

  16. Teresa B says:

    I am so tired of myself on here as that’s all I see! Am sure you all are too. Notes are coming across my computer but don’t see them on here. I am not a Geek that’s hubbys job but he is busy. Anybody care to help me?

  17. S. Klein says:

    “Then they called on the name of Baal from morning till noon. “Baal, answer us!” they shouted. But there was no response; no one answered. And they danced around the altar they had made.

    At noon Elijah began to taunt them. “Shout louder!” he said. “Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened.” So they shouted louder and slashed themselves with swords and spears, as was their custom, until their blood flowed. Midday passed, and they continued their frantic prophesying until the time for the evening sacrifice. But there was no response, no one answered, no one paid attention….

    • Hi S. Klein I replied to your comment and posed a question to you but it didnt appear in the right place. if you would like to respond to it it is the comment below that starts out “I LOVE the text you quote here” about Elijah and the Prophets of Baal you quote here. (The prophets of Baal were guilty of child sacrifice.)

  18. Demonic activity is increasing across the world and this is to be expected because Satan know his time is short. I took to course for two reasons. 1. I have the gift of discerning of spirits ( I can see both demons and Angels and can automatically sense their presence) a gift that few have in the church today. 2. I assist Paranormal investigator’s and the Catholic church when they have situations where they have been attacked by a spirit or a Priest needs confirmation of a possessed person before they call a Exorcist in. The later does not happen very often. But believe me things are going to get a lot worse as demonic activity increases.

    • Teresa B says:

      I really never paid att to it until I went to a Charasmatic Church and learned Spiritual Warfare. Then I read Nicky Cruz Book think that’s his name. his mom was a Witch in Puerto Rico. She later converted thru him as did parts of family. Very dark very dark. It is hard for me to really think they exist but I know better. We as Christians can see the dots or at least I think I can, and then there are the UFOs! Thank you for your posts

  19. sheryl48 says:

    Is that why drivers are driving into groups of people and killing innocents? Fla a homeless man ‘s face was eaten (look it up), horrible things are hapning and we’re still praying Christians asking GOd to bring repentance to America, but then, there is Revelation in the Bible, I dont believe GOd will change th e end times because we pray, but he may delay it so more may be saved????

    • Teresa B says:

      Hi Sheryl48, yes I think so. He has given me enough rope to hang myself so why would He not do that to others or a Nation? that’s why in simply mind things are already set in stone that’s it. Dont’ you think He wants Repentence till the end? I think so but who am I ?

  20. Sherri says:

    There is only one God! Jesus Christ of Nazareth !!

  21. Stacey says:

    Speaking of the rapture. Asking on pretrib, in the bible what all let for prophecy to be left? And on post trib? Been wanting to do some bible study on it. If anyone can assist me on this I would be very grateful.

    Every time I see Obama I cringe. Then I see how the generation behind me is and I am 31 seeing the way they act. We truly as a nation has fallen from grace. I just hope and pray either or nation will get better or Jesus comes quickly.

    • Teresa B says:

      Hi Stacey interesting you said that, first I thought this was a diff kind of site, it has been very kind to me but wondered myself sorta what you asked. Only I am not concentrated on end times. but other parts of the Bible. I thought maybe someone would take charge , many qualified here. and we could do a Book Study or something. Maybe that’s a lot to ask as most people have a life!! Have a nice eve

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Stacey, For the post trib part. Study these scriptures for starters.

      Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
      Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
      Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

      Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
      Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth,
      even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
      Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
      Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
      Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
      Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

      Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
      Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
      Most of us believe it is the tribulation first, the rapture next and then the wrath of God after these, and then finally the return of Christ to take possession of the kingdom forever.

      Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

      The rapture happens just before the wrath of God and the return happens at the very end of the wrath of God.
      Jesus made it very plain He was coming in the clouds just after the tribulation of those day. He also stated that the tribulation would only last 3 1/2 years, But not directly.

      Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
      Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

      This is were Jesus was referring to, at the middle of the week.
      Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

      • Teresa B says:

        hi Ron,thank you for that laymen msg. I have no clue when you scream Revenations to me, the hardest Book to understand. My Bibles are full of color on things I do understand. so for those of us who find you posting some things its lie ? Any way, thank you, and Lord be w you!

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  23. Richard says:

    Wonder when they will have the Satanic priest and the Wicca Warlock open the sessions. If you a low one demonic group in, may as well let them all in.

  24. Teresa B says:

    THANK YOU SO SO MUCH, I THINK I FIGURED OUT MY QUESTION. Not a techki person, thank you again. Blessings

  25. GDub says:

    Did any of you guys actually listen to the prayer???

  26. I LOVE the text you quote here.
    I have a question about your post @ #18. You didnt say what America’s Greatest sin is. You said no to abortion and no to America’s seeming approval of Homosexuals and their activities.
    In my humble opinion America’s greatest sin is the widespread (Almost universal) love of ourselves rather than lovers of God and the downtrodden and oppressed. Especially Children. Apathetically and indifferently looking the other way while the murder of millions of innocent, beautiful and incalculably Precious unborn children goes on and on and on. Where is the outrage from God’s people when militant homosexuals have established footholds in our public schools and indoctrinate the impressionable little ones while in their formative years. There will be a day when they wish they had had a millstone tied about their neck and they were cast into the depths of the sea rather than having caused the “Little Ones” to stumble. On that day it will be “To late” and it is not hard to picture them laying trembling in their own escrement!
    God has a very special place in His heart for the precious children. Jesus said: “Take heed to yourselves that you do not despise one of these little ones for I tell you that their angels always behold the face of My Father Who is in Heaven!” In other words “They dont know who they are MESSIN WITH!
    Abraham Kuypur, a Dutch Theologean and Statesman said; “When principles that run against your deepest convictions begin to win the day, BATTLE is your calling and peace is become sin!”
    Kuypur said this before he rose up against the Liberalism and Bible Criticism that was becoming rampant in European Seminaries. Considering that Charles Darwin was the product of such a Seminary it seems apparent that Kuypur was on the right track. Darwin and his writings have been the catalist for the swirling maelstrom of Barbarism and mass murder of all the Godless Ideologies from the Communists and Facist Governments to what we are seeing rapidly falling in place in America today.

  27. C A says:

    One thing I do not understand is the people of that so-called religion are arrogant enough to destroy what their so-called allah created. If allah took the time and worked to create women and children, then why do they place a part of their anatomy above what allah took the time and work to create? Seems to me allah would be offended. I plain and simply do not understand the immaturity of their lack of self-control. I plain and simply do not understand their ‘want and need’ to destroy. I, personally enjoy holding myself to a higher standard, those of a Christian. While I, personally, can never achieve that standard, the joy I feel in my heart when I choose to help someone motivates me to help more. Even though that is a small part of the Christian standard, I know many people who are not Christians who feel the same way when they help someone. There is just something inside that says ‘building others up’ just feels right. They are much happier and satisfied.

    • Teresa B says:

      Hi CA, my experience attending mainstream and evangelical, you get to know Jesus in E Free In a different way. Been many yrs since I attended Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, Congregational, etc thru 64 yrs, but there is a difference. they are all about violence while destroying people and objects. they say their god is Allah, Really? You nailed iit but your comment on people you know who are as serviing as you has nothing to do w repentence as you know. My non Christian friends would give you the shirt off their back, but they don’t get its not about works which is what I was raised in basically. maybe that’s why God gave me that gift! He started me early to move me ha ha, Have a nice eve

      • C A says:

        Thank you, Teresa. It is so funny you should talk about ‘works and repentance.’ I had actually not heard that until I was quite older, but, of course, we both know that only by Christ’s grace and mercy do we truly achieve. But, the elation inside our souls brings such joy, even though many times people do not even know that. We just go along trying to plant little seeds and hopefully some of them are planted in the right way. I have to say the most unusual way I have heard of this is when someone read the book The Secret. I was overjoyed when that person who said he was a Christian, truly received Christ. God does work in mysterious ways.

        • Teresa B says:

          Good Morning, thank you for writing. Yes you are right. Its funny I was raised in Mainstream so learned to be a dooer as that’s what they do best. Oh and cook! But when I changed, I realized that must have been Gods gift to me. Service. funny to me I kept plugging along doin. Have a great day!

    • Hi CA You are on the right track! Helping others is a much bigger part of the Christian standard than you think.
      That is why Jesus emphasized “Inasmuch as you have done it unto the least of one of these you have done it for Me.” When Mother Theresa was asked what motivated her to do all that she did for the poor, diseased, starving and dying she replied that in the face of each of them she “Saw the face of Jesus, Howbeit in a very disturbing disguise.”
      When we a start acting like we realize that Jesus masquerades among us as the oppressed, the starving, diseased and dying we will transform this world and not a moment sooner.
      Come on LETS DO IT!

      • C A says:

        Awe, Kevin, that is so sweet! That is one of my favorite verses and I ponder it daily. Mother Theresa! WOW! What an inspiration and What Faith! You know, I am going to ponder what you said after prayers tonight. You know, that is so scarey true. I have already realized that if one is part of the body of Christ, then, that statement is certainly true. That is helping me to not ‘judge’ others. WOW, Yeah! It’s all coming together.

  28. Stacey says:

    Ty Ron, God Bless you.

    I completely understand Teressa. I didn’t know if anyone would have the time to help. I never really was to happy to study revelations. As a teenager I expieranced a church that was very frighting to see. And that kinda turned me away from it for a few years. As growing older I just felt myself drawn to it like God is telling me to study it or something. I even thought about joining a missionary but only found so far a child evanglism foundation.

  29. James says:

    I listened to the blessing. Heard nothing wrong with it.

    • Teresa B says:

      Hi James, for me that’s not the point. Satan gives wonderful msgs too. As I said before our Gov was begun with God in mind. that left a long time ago. I am offended for any Islamist to Pray over this Nation. We are Christians, Obama has taken that our of everything, celebrates Ramadan and blah blah blah. So did Bush and Cllintons just not to the exptreme. Have a nice day

  30. Lyn Leahz says:

    American people are deceived… and it is only going to get worse. We can’t change what is to happen because it is prophesied, and God’s Word does not lie. However, we can change the number of souls who DO NOT go to hell! We must lift up our voices and be heard, and be strong in the Lord!

    • AMEN Lyn. You spoke a good word my Precious Sister!

      • Lyn Leahz says:

        Thanks, Kevin. To God be the glory! It is wonderful to know other sisters and brothers feel the same way.. God bless you. Let us be like fishermen and cast our nets…and let’s work diligently day and night until our precious Savior comes.. if we have faith and do not grow weary.. the harvest of souls shall be plentiful!

        • It is curious that you reference the harvest of souls. Several weeks ago I opened my study Bible before work and the first verse I laid my eyes on was John 4:35 “Do you not say, “There are still four months and then comes the harvest? ‘Behold I say to you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields for they are already white for harvest!” When I got to work and put my “Work” Bible out on my desk I Opened it up and guess what the first verse I laid my eyes on was? ;-) We have a Strange, Mysterious and Magnificent God who delights to reveal Himself to us!

  31. Teresa B says:

    Lyn I have a close friend who is not interested . Worked 2 yrs together I shared, no matter. Always praised God for simple things cuz that’s what I do, no difference. Evangelism is not my gift. I am so appreciative of you that have it. I can stand on a corner and that’s it! blessings

  32. Lyn Leahz says:

    I will pray for your friend, because time is of the essence, Teresa. But, do keep in mind, sweety..you can do all things through Christ which strengthens you.. for without faith, it is impossible to please God.

    So, in truth, no..you can’t. You’re right. But God can. :-) Look up, sister.. Jesus is smiling upon you..

  33. Lyn Leahz says:

    Forgot something else very important, Teresa. When we minister..we may be rejected up front.. but we do is plant seeds. And later, something will happen in that person’s life..and that seed will take root..it will begin to sprout… they will remember! That’s why, even when we are rejected, we must give God praise and have faith. God is on a whole different time clock than what we are. That friend of yours could have something happen any day now… and in their alone time..your words will play in their mind.. and that’s all it takes.. remember that. ♥

    • Teresa B says:

      Oh yes I know His timing. I only email now as we don’t work together, even tho we live close. Istill send her little things here and there, and when we worked I was open w sharing Blessings, answered Prayer, etc. At one pt for awhile she tried to choose here fav words more carefully! Thank you and come again!

  34. As far as the Pre-Tribulation. You will notice that the church is not mentioned after the 4 Chapter of Revelation again until it talks about the marriage supper of the lamb. Every time God passed judgment his faithful were removed before the judgment. Ex: Noah & the Flood, Lot and his family at Sodom & Gomorrah . The children of Israel during the Passover, the Children of Israel leaving Egypt. There are so many examples in the Bible I can’t mention them here. I have no doubt that it is pre-tribulation. There are two main events that must take place before the tribulation period, the building of the new Temple in Jerusalem, and the abomination of desolation and of course the “taking up of the Saints. All other prophecy have been fulfilled. We are definitely in the end times no doubt.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Yes, It’s all about faith, Pretrib. There just isn’t enough Bible to back it up. The 4th chapter is a very weak standard.

    • You forgot to mention how God “Raptured” Daniel out of the lions den and how He “Raptured” the three Hebrew children out of the fiery furnace. I dont mean to be rude but how can you be so sure?
      A far better questioner than me asked Jesus an escotology question “Lord will you at this time restore the kingdom again to Israel? Jesus replied “It is not for you to know the times and seasons that the Father has put under His own Authority; But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit is come upon you and you shall be WITNESSES (The Greek word is “Martyr”) unto Me in Jerusalem, Judea, Sumeria and the uttermost parts of the earth.” I believe it is clear from Jesus own words what we are to occupy ourselves with. Until recently every time I would start looking and wondering about escotology I would sense His voice clearly saying; “What is that to thee? Follow thou Me!” And there is that “Martyr” word. One who give his life…

  35. Note to Ron Murphy: The ELECT refers to Israel, the true Jews scattered across the planet. All the tribes of Israel will be gathered together. In the Bible the “Elect” always refers to the tribes of Israel. The church. refers to the Christians, or should I refer to them as Gentiles. It is the Jews who are looking for the Messiah. The true Anti-Christ will proclaim himself the Messiah at the Abomination of Desolation in the newly build temple. So when it says that the Ant-Christ will deceive the very elect that is referring to the Nation of Israel. Remember the Jews no not believe that Christ was the Messiah. They are still looking for the Messiah to come.

    • Lyn Leahz says:

      God bless you Rev. and Ron..my precious brother’s in Christ Jesus. Hey, you know what? Nothing matters but that we share the blood of Jesus Christ together… we are one..we are family… Because of that…I love you. I know you love each other too. It’s always fun to share ideas and things… I just hope you won’t let it put a wedge between the fact that you love each other in Christ Jesus. Be blessed!

      • Ron Murphy says:

        That why I teach God’s truth, Lynn. I ‘m not looking for a reward here. It’s to late for that, anyway. I want to spread the truth to the people of God, because I love them. And God loves them! That’s all that matters to me. I’m not seeking a pedestal, neither do I desire it. All I care about is the truth, period.

        • Lyn Leahz says:

          :-) i didn’t think I said anything about a pedestal or rewards at all. Nor did I mention motives. I just mentioned love in peace. God bless you, Rev. ♥

      • God bless you Lyn “Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called sons of God.” Matthew 5
        “Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.” James 3:18 ;-) Thanks for the songs. Check out Psalm 23 on “Glory revealed 2 My Favorite on that album is “To You be the Glory” I can turn on “Repeat” and listen to if for hours. ;-)

  36. Morgan Rowe says:

    Our President is very PC and doesn’t set the standard, its congress that do that. I wouldn’t jump to conclusions just yet, but at the same time we have a right to know what our Governments intentions are. If they strongarm christianity and are liberal with Muslims we have problems. Maybe America wants to be friends with most Muslim sects? Theres only 20% of Muslims who are violent. Most are peace-loving. The Sunnies are good, I don’t trust the Shiites though as they’re rather strange.

  37. With the exception of using the word “Allah,” it sounded like a Christian prayer, however. his Imam is an American. Had this been a foreign born Islamic, the prayer would have probably included comments about killing infidels.

  38. Ron Murphy says:

    Sir, these are not the Jews

    Rom_8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth.
    Col_3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
    1Ti_5:21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
    2Ti_2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect’s sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
    Tit_1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
    1Pe_1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
    1Pe_2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
    2Jn_1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
    2Jn_1:13 The children of thy elect sister greet thee. Amen.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      And neither are these:

      Rom_9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
      Rom_11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
      Rom_11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
      Rom_11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes.
      1Th_1:4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.
      2Pe_1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

  39. Lyn Leahz says:

    In honor of the one, true living God! YHVH! For there is no other God but You, Jehovah Jireh! Alpha and Omega..beginning and the end! All other gods are cheap imitations! I love you, my heavenly Father! Praises to God in the highest!

    • Teresa B says:

      Hi Lyn, thank you for these, music is in my bones, I am so thankful the Lord gave us sounds to make music!! A Beautiful way to Praise Him back! Have a great day

  40. Lyn Leahz says:

    Forgive me, folks. I’m just honoring God here above and beyond this Muslim prayer to Satan!

  41. Ron Murphy says:

    Terry, also if the Jews are raptured in Matthew then who will be left for the kingdom age to repopulate it. The 144000 will be left to do that, at the end of trib. That why they are sealed.

  42. Ron Murphy says:

    1Pe_1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

  43. Lyn Leahz says:

    If you have never heard it..you’ve got to hear that version of the Lord’s Prayer! Wow! It’s powerful!


  44. Rev. Dr. Terry J Carter:

    In the Bible the “Elect” always refers to the tribes of Israel.

    False statement #1 above. Gods word says.

    (1 Peter 1:2 KJV) Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

  45. Ron Murphy says:

    “Elect” means, Chosen of God.


  46. Rev. Dr. Terry J Carter:

    So when it says that the Ant-Christ will deceive the very elect that is referring to the Nation of Israel.

    Mis-interpreted statement number 2 leading to a gross misunderstanding of scripture.

    IT DOES NOT SAY THE ELECT WILL BE DECEIVED. HERE IS WHAT GODS WORD SAYS.

    (Matthew 24:24 KJV) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    IT SAYS “IF IT WERE POSSIBLE”

    REPEAT AFTER ME!!

    “IF IT WERE POSSIBLE”

    “IF IT WERE POSSIBLE”

    “IF IT WERE POSSIBLE”

  47. Lyn Leahz says:

    :-) i didn’t think I said anything about a pedestal or rewards at all. Nor did I mention motives. I just mentioned love in peace. God bless you, Rev.

  48. Stacey says:

    Ok this question just came to my head, don’t know why but sparked a curiousity.with the 144, 000 what if some are saved before the rapture. .. would they stay behind or go up with the church?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Stacey, The 144k will not be saved until the last part of the trib, when the 2 witnesses are finish with their testimony. But Any Jew that gets saved before the rapture will go in the rapture. The 144k will be saved , and sealed at the time of the rapture. That is deplicted on all occasions in the book of Revelation.
      I’ll post the verses below.

  49. Marilyn says:

    I am appalled at the meanness and judgmental tone in some of the comments! Where is the Christian love? Jesus said his commandment is to love others as we love ourselves…and as he loves us. Leave the judging to God and just care about showing love and compassion to the hurting people around us…no matter their religious affiliation. There is too much “us” against “them” within the Christian community.

  50. txnursie says:

    Again, there are many here who disagree on certain elements such as timing of His return for us, the thing we need to focus on is that we are His, and He WILL return for us. His timing is perfect. His plan is perfect. If we put our time into serving Him, studying the Word and reaching others out of love, we will be exactly where we need to be, doing exactly what we need to do, at the moment of His return. The blood of Jesus, His death, burial and resurrection, mean more to me than anything else. That kind of love is so POWERFUL!!! Sin and evil have been defeated. Y’all we know how this story ends. He wins. Satan loses. This is what matters. Jesus Christ is Lord, He is our Savior. Life is full of hope once again!

    • txnursie your words were a cool draft from an oasis in a languid, parched and thirsty dry bones desert! AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN! ;-)

      • Ron Murphy says:

        You might feel that way brother, but it does matter.

        Mat 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

        I don’t know about you , Brother but I believe it’s due season, And that meat isn’t rapture.

        • Brother Ron. You and I are in agreement as far as being very wary of pre trib. It seems to me to reek of the same stench of the rest of the prosperity preaching, get something for nothing stand aloof and silent while yet more lost souls go to an eternity of misery, loss and ruin. While more millions of innocent unborn children are slaughtered…. As far as Im concerned such a so called Church deserves to be under the delusion of being wisked away from a raging battle she never bothered to engage in in the first place. Perhaps that is part of the Delusion spoken of in 2 Thess 1:10-11 or Isaiah 66:2-4
          You do a pretty good job of policing all the pesky pre tribbers, flushing them out and whipping them in to shape. Im going to leave that to you.
          This is probably the extent of what you hear me say about the rapture.
          Im going to do like txnursie and Lyn and focus on my Precious Jesus and being a witness of Him to the uttermost parts of the earth and to my next door neighbor. I love to engage the enemy and gouge a few good holes in the gates of hell at every opportunity and opportunities are all around us. EVERY unselfish prayer or act of love or giving we do, no matter how small is a resounding thundering BOOOOOM on the gates of hell and has a cumulative effect. My Precious Jesus said hells gates would not be able to withstand the onslaughts of His Church. The testimony that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God! We have a Mighty God Who knows how to multiply the seemingly puny efforts of our five loaves and three fishes we offer.

          • My focus is 100% on Jesus. I am of a different calling. My calling is to warn people of wrong teachings and the dangers that come with them.

            MANY WILL BECOME OFFENDED AND BETRAY ONE ANOTHER WHEN TRIBULATION COMES.

            Who is it that will be offended when they find themselves in tribulation after being told and indoctrinated that they would not be in tribulation. Their faith and hope will be crushed at the most critical time in the history of the world. May the Lord Have Mercy.

            My calling is a hard one. But I answered the Lord and am following through. I do not do it to be liked or disliked. I do it for Jesus Christ. My Lord and Savior. He has given me a great gift of wisdom and understanding. I FEAR THE LORD GREATLY. Praise be his glorious name. The Word of God. Amen

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Well said D city, Our callings may be different from one another’s, but let us make our election sure! The reward awaits on the other side!

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Well said Brother, Kevin, Not every ones calling is alike. I love your Testamonies and they bless many. keep sharing them Brother , God richly bless you.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      TX I can plainly tell you are a pretribber, because that is exactly how pretribbers see things. But There were 5 foolish virgins and 5 wise. The wise was ready to go in but, the foolish wasn’t, the door was shut.

      • txnursie says:

        Ron Murphy: “TX I can plainly tell you are a pretribber, because that is exactly how pretribbers see things. But There were 5 foolish virgins and 5 wise. The wise was ready to go in but, the foolish wasn’t, the door was shut.”

        Whew! I think I finally got it right. Okay, that one. What do you mean?

        • Ron Murphy says:

          What I mean is, the pretribber would say, “what does it matter any way”. But you see there is a blessing to know the truth. Do you want to know what it is?

          Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
          Many think this to be the rapture of coarse, but Look at it closely. He’s referring to the mark of the beast, and If you know the truth you will avoid taking it. Otherwise you could end up being one of these:
          Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

          O yes the blessing:
          Rev 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Our Hope is in Jesus. He will keep us, He will never leave us or forsake us. Just because we die for Him does in no way void these promises. It only assures them more!

    • Tracy says:

      txnursie,
      Amen!!

      • Teresa B says:

        I am thinking of leaving but wondered if we could e mail . I could send mine to protect your privacy I see others on her put theirs. thanks, kinda worn out! Blessings,

  51. This reminds me of people who are for Obama.

    You could catch the man red handed robbing a bank and people would say.

    OOOOOO he was doing it to help the poor.

    What you have to understand about Gods word is. He put it there for us to understand. GODS WORD IS FINAL. God does not agree to disagree. Just some powerful thoughts on subject.

  52. Ron Murphy says:

    Rapture:
    Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

    Sealing of the 144K:
    Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
    Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
    Both took place before the Wrath of God. The Wrath is the Hurting of the earth as stated in verse Rev 7:1-3, the 7 angels with the trumpets.

  53. The 144,000 will not appear until after the rapture. They will be all Jews. They will more likely appear a little before or just after the first 3.5 years. I do know they will refuse to take the mark of the beast. The anti-Christ will be everybody’s buddy the first 3.5 years and then will turn against everybody.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      That about correct, Brother. They will never the less not be raptured. They are the first fruits of the kingdom, to be here for the nations, of all that are left to live on the earth through the millennium. They are sealed to protect them for Gods wrath.

      Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

  54. Ron Murphy says:

    The 144000 remnant are the ones that the witnesses feed they will finally all be saved, because they mourn the lose of their messiah that they know their forefathers crucified. All other Jews will be slain. That is why God said all of Israel will be saved. They are the only ones left.

  55. I stand corrected in this writing of Peter, here he was speaking to both the Jews and the Gentiles scattered abroad in the area of Asia minor. This verse also has to do with Pre-destination. But in general in the O.T the Elect referred to the Jews. The part ” if the elect can be deceived” in ref to the anti-Christ. There will be some who will be deceived because of the human nature. All I can say is that the time is near. The Nation of Israel showed blue prints of the new temple on CNN a few weeks ago and they did say they were thinking about starting construction. But as we know because the Temple mound is claimed by three faiths: Christian, Jews, and the Muslims it will more than likely be a while because it will cause a fierce war. Obama is the one who I believe will set the war in motion because of his relationship with the Brotherhood and Hamas and Al-Qaeda and his interest in helping Syria and Egypt. As I said before he is demon possessed and influenced by them and he will start a world crisis if he is not removed from office. China and Russia are not happy with his involvement in the middle east at all. As the old song says…signs of the times are every where theirs a brand new feeling in the air, lift up your heads your redemption draws neigh ! Jesus is Coming Soon. !

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Yes, Brother, we can agree it is near. God bless you in all understanding. Our hope is in Him. Praise His name.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      If I may ask you, Brother. What is Jesus referring to in Luke 21. About these things, what was He referring, too.

      Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

      His answer is:

      Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

      What was Jesus talking about escaping?

      Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

      Jesus answer:
      Luk 21:26 Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

      It the wrath of God.

  56. I did not say the Jews would be taken in the Rapture. Like I said they don’t believe that Jesus was the Messiah. They still think he was a prophet, and as we know the Jews have a history killing their prophets. The anti-Christ is going to stand in the new temple and declare himself the Messiah. .

  57. I concur with you on the elect issue that it applies to both the Christian Jews and Gentiles. Elect does mean chosen and once again it proves the doctrine of pre-destination. But is also says in the Old Testament that the Jews were the elect also. They were referred to as the children of God, and that is why they are so hated today, plus the fact the killed Jesus. Do you know there is a class-action lawsuit against Israel because they killed Christ ! That was on the news a few days ago. Well it’s 3:30 AM EST time so I am calling it a night. As always enjoy fellowship and teaching from other Christian. It’s been a while since I was in school and Seminary and this is like a refresher for me. God Bless and good night.

    • S. Klein says:

      Kil the Jews Mr. Carter. Kill them all! Exterminate them. The Jews murdered Jesus.. Put Israel on trial and then annihilate Israel because THAT will be pleasing to God. Right?

  58. How can we be sure about the pre-trib rapture? We don’t not know the mind of God and can only assume things by what is written in his word. All I know is that in the Old Testament is says…God does not change and that his judgment’s are forever. So what was sin back then is sin now. Am I obsoletely sure there will be a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. No. But based on the fact that God says he does change and what Paul says we can only hope that God favors us in these times. Faithfulness is the key, be thou faithful until death and you shall receive the crown of life. Is that too much for God to ask of us ? Would I die for the cause of Christ if need be, Yes because I have served him from the time I was 11 years old and I’m now 57. The Longer I serve Him the Sweeter He grows ! I lost my wife to lung cancer a few years ago and I look forward to meeting her again some day, but when I get there I will want to see him who died or me first ! If it should be that I must suffer for the cause of Christ I will count it but joy !

  59. Morgan Rowe says:

    Is this for real?

  60. Well, as know the earth is forever changing. There will be more earthquake, and severe storms, a natural and man made disasters. This climate change thing I don’t go for. IT’s just the Natural cycle of the planet. Nahum 1 tell us that God controls all the weather. The US is becoming a very wicked county and I’m sure that more judgment s coming up this country because it has turned on God and allowed abortions and Sodomy and we will likely go thru some of it. It very well could be that Obama and his administration could be part of God’s wrath on this country. Be strong and of good courage and keep the faith no matter what. I have worked in Emergency Management and the Fire/EMT service for many years and I have seen a lot, even lost my home and car in a flood in 2008. But even then I praised God. We went to a Red Cross shelter at a local church and the first thing I did was sit down and play, Til the Storm passes by on the Piano !

  61. Rania Valez says:

    Bush did it too!!!!!!! He had a Hindu, and a buddist open the senate floor.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq3ElGdC2fU
    Why no one said anything about him doing this and how evil bush and his admin was? You all just pick out what happens during the obama admin yet you forget or turn a blind eye as to what went on during you so called man of God bush admin.

    • Teresa B says:

      Hi Rania, for me yes the Bushes were crooked in a less serious manner if you will, In other words Mr. O has set in place many Muslims in the WH, one is elected. Given his favor to those Countries, and here is what worries us. There is no comparison between the 2 men. Mr O has Executived Ordered quietly in the night many more things, Bush started Patriot Act and thru that now even more laws and regulations.Stop blaming the past, its he present that is going to get you killed.

  62. Yes the story about the Inman is true and it isn’t the first time either. One of the members of the Muslim Brotherhood said awhile back that someday the flag of Islam would fly over the White House. If Obama is not removed from office by the end of this year, that very well could be true ! A Darkness is sweeping over our country.

  63. What you say is true, but we have a country that has freedom of religion so I guess a guest minster of other faiths could pray. But comparing Obama to Bush is like comparing a 4 watt nightlight bulb to a 1,000,000 candlelight spot light Obama has Muslims in the Senate and the Congress and he has had many meetings with the Muslim Brotherhood at the White House. So figure it out. Obama plans a overthrow of the US Government.

    • STL says:

      REV. Dr. TJC:
      I believe soon Isreal will attack Iran. Their window is closing. But Iran will counterattack with its friends-Russia, Libya, Northern Sudan, Turkey, Germany. And why Russia and Germany because out their spoils. Isreal has the greatest untapped oil and natural gas in the Middle East. This counterattack is related to Ezekiel Chapter 38 & 39 the Magog War. Others on this web site believe this will not happen until we are clearly within the Tribulation.

      We give me your insights into this events!

  64. txnursie says:


    txnursie:

    Again, there are many here who disagree on certain elements such as timing of His return for us, the thing we need to focus on is that we are His, and He WILL return for us. His timing is perfect. His plan is perfect. If we put our time into serving Him, studying the Word and reaching others out of love, we will be exactly where we need to be, doing exactly what we need to do, at the moment of His return. The blood of Jesus, His death, burial and resurrection, mean more to me than anything else. That kind of love is so POWERFUL!!! Sin and evil have been defeated. Y’all we know how this story ends. He wins. Satan loses. This is what matters. Jesus Christ is Lord, He is our Savior. Life is full of hope once again!

    Ron what makes you believe I’m one of the 5 foolish ones rather than the 5 wise ones? What makes you feel as though the door will be closed for me? Is it my faith in Christ alone for salvation that you doubt? I’m not sure exactly what you were aiming for in that comment.

  65. txnursie says:

    Ugh!! I wasn’t trying to quote ME, I was trying to quote RON!! Why did it do that?
    I’m sorry yall, let me see if I can fix that.

  66. txnursie says:

    Post 119 I think…. not sure if the numbers change as people post replies, but for now it’s 119.
    I finally figured out a way to quote Ron, because that’s who my question was for.
    Ron if you get a minute, please read that post and clarify for me, I wasn’t sure what you meant.
    Thanks!

  67. Benyomin says:

    Of Jesus, the Bible states “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12)

    Personally, I believe that statement to be absolutely true. However, I can’t take the stance that because the Bible says it, someone who doesn’t believe in the veracity of the Bible should believe it too. My position is that believing that fact… ie, that Jesus is the only way to salvation is requisite to orthodox Biblical “Christian” belief.

    That Mr. Obama would give credibility to Islam (or any President, for that matter, give credibility to any worldview that were to reject the orthodox Biblically outlined perspective of Jesus) would cast doubt on the biblical orthodoxy of his belief system.

    That said, as far as the issue of “religion” goes, it is apparent that a veritable potpourri of belief systems resides on this planet. To be honest, they are mutually exclusive. Their relative perspectives of whom God is (if there is a God) what He’s like and what He expects from we humans ALL differ. And unfortunately, the ever popular C-O-E-X-I-S-T bumper sticker, is nothing but wishful thinking because these variety of “religions” cannot coexist for a number of reasons.

    I am a Jew. I believe that Jesus is the Messiah of my people. As much as this fact is swept under the rug, it was Jews who wrote the New Testament and the New Testament claims that the God of the universe manifested Himself as a Jew destined to 1) teach man how he ought to live, 2) demonstrate how he ought to live, 3) speak as he ought to speak, and 4) endure the horrific consequences of doing the right thing in ALL aspects of life at all times by dying as the consequence of being pinned to an execution stake like an insect is pinned live to an insect collection.

    I would argue that the resurrection of this individual enables those who would believe in the historicity of this event to grow in their ability to approximate the life of that individual in their own lives. But that’s another issue.

    Most of my people have rejected the veracity of the New Testament, but nowhere is there any evidence that the Jewish Apostles stopped being Jews. The Apostle Paul never said “I was a Jew”.

    Over the past 2,000 years, however, the church has been complicit in promoting this Canard that Jews don’t believe in Jesus. Where Paul warned the Church at Rome not to be arrogant towards the Jews, the Church has bypassed that little bit of scripture, and having rejected it, been arrogant towards the Jews.

    Hence, we see a significant contribution to the notion that Jesus is some sort of religion, like Hinduism, Budhism, Islam, Christianity or Judaism. NO HE IS THE DOOR TO A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LIVING GOD OF THE UNIVERSE.

    All religions, including Islam, would argue otherwise. I say bring on the debate if it can be conducted in a dispassionate manner.

    But, contrary to the declarations of President Obama, Islam had nothing to do with the founding of this country. The fruit of Islam has been nothing but war and oppression. And our naïve politicians are giving it a foothold in a country who’s people are equally naïve and believe that all truth is bound up in the lie which we affectionately call political correctness.

  68. Linda says:

    The rapture will come after the last trumpet has sounded just as Jesus explains in Matthew 24. God will be with us, through the Tribulation and do many miracles as we listen to the Holy Spirit, deny ourselves, and take up our crosses and follow HIM during that time. A website that explains this, totally from Scripture is: http://www.endtimepilgrim.org/posttribrap.htm
    May God be glorified through those of us, who really know HIM, in these last days!

  69. By the way the endtime begun as soon as Yeshua went to heaven! The sign that He is coming back is: the blossoming of the fig tree….What we as believers need to do? Become that SET APART HOLY PEOPLE!

    • That is an interesting way of looking at it and at some level you may very well be right. Are you Ammillinial?
      Is your take on this because you are by chance Roman Catholic? Dont think that Im a Catholic basher because Im not. Before I started pro life witness I was wary of Roman Catholicicm because of my Protestant background and it was all I knew. After befriending and praying with them out front of abortion mills I have heard their Prayers, seen their tears, on bended knees pleading for the souls of those who would sacrifice their children. My eyes have been opened. Jesus came to save SINNERS. Not generalities, not political parties, not Denominations or sects but individual sinners, one by one. I now dont consider myself Protestant or Catholic but a Christian. I long to be among those who” follow the Lamb withersoever he goest”. Among the multitude from out of every tribe, every tongue and every denomination.

  70. Sanity says:

    If the end is near, it is because of pseudo-Christian hate-mongering such as this. There is *always* a prayer before proceedings, and *representatives* take turns sponsoring guest prayer leaders. Once in a very great while, someone who *isn’t* Christian is asked to give prayer – because we are, supposedly, a nation of diversity. It has nothing to do with Obama, and your ignorant rants only serve to further divide this nation and incite turmoil and violence. You are the *cause* of the end, not the witnesses. If you want to do some good, preach tolerance, acceptance, and perhaps above all, EDUCATE YOURSELVES.
    http://chaplain.house.gov/chaplaincy/guest_chaplains.html

    • Sanity, will you please respond to my question? Do you preach “Tolerance” of protecting beautiful, innocent, incalculably precious unborn children?
      I think it is a safe bet you are a proponent of advocating the slaughter of the innocent ones. And you call “US?” the “Hate mongerers?”
      What I call protecting innocent human life you would probably call “Opposing Choice!” What I call “LIFE” you would probably call “ANTI CHOICE” and what you call CHOICE I call KILLING!

      • Sanity says:

        Your “safe bets” are exactly what I’m talking about. Asking me a question, and then answering it for me: who are you to judge my character, especially based on your own narrow-minded assumptions? Because I oppose you in this, then I am automatically some liberal life-hating Islamic sympathizer, and thus can be dismissed? Truly, my heart is heavy with sadness for your corrupted soul.

        I preach tolerance for everyone, so yes – even even for those who make the decision to have an abortion. That is their cross to bear and believe me, many of them know it, even when it is unfortunately too late. The Tree is in the Garden; it is not for us to chop it down, but to help others avoid its fruits through kindness and aid – and to counsel and forgive when needed.

        But thank you, you have proven my point completely. No true Christian stands up and closes their eyes and ears to another on the premise that they ASSUME something to be true. No true Christian considers themselves free of sin because an opposing side has sinned worse. No true Christian carries forth false and biased information in the name of the Lord. You bring shame to Christianity and to the name of Jesus Christ. I pity all who are like you and pray you find your way back to Christ, because I assure you, you have lost it.

        • After all your side stepping a simple answer to a direct question you still leave me wondering what exactly is your stance. You should run for a Democratic seat. You definitely carry the qualifications.
          Your speech gives your position away but I still find myself having to read between the lines. I can literally feel the bitterness of your heart in your words.
          You accuse me of having a lack of compassion for those who have abortions. You do exactly what you accuse me of. You stand in judgement and accuse me before God and the folks reading these posts that I have turned away from Christ and am on the wrong path and am lost. Hmmmmm isnt THAT exactly what Satan does? Revelation 12:10-12
          If I have no compassion for women who have had abortions why have I given away a mountain of “Post Abortive” healing resources out front of abortion clinics anticipating the anguish women would experience for years and decades after their abortion pointing them toward the hope, healing and forgiveness that is in Christ?
          Why have I given many thousands of dollars and countless hours of my time toward these ends? Who is narrow mindedly assuming something here?
          I still believe it is a “safe bet” (Since you give me no other option) that you are pro abortion.
          Are you going to answer the question or not?

          I dont know how abortion has touched your life personally but I would like to share a story I have shared MANY times both in writing and in front of abortion clinics. “I know a woman who had an abortion as a teenager. She said she wasnt forced or pressured to have it. She just thought a baby would interfere with her life. She was assured it was just a clump of cells. She would have this abortion and then just get on with her life. For years, (Decades) she had a recurring nightmare of a baby crying. She would wake up in tears knowing the baby wouldnt be there. In her own words, “It wasnt there because I killed it!” When she became a Christian and had post abortion counseling and accepted God’s forgiveness she had another dream. In this dream there was a bright light shining into her bedroom from the hallway. Out of the light ran a little girl. The child ran up to her, grabbing her arm. Laughing and shaking her arm she said “Its OK Mommy I am with Jesus now. You can let me go, you are forgiven.” She woke up in tears again, only this time it was tears of joy. She never had the nightmares again.”

          • Teresa B says:

            Hi Kevin, I used to walk by a Clinic on the way to work and was so sad. I prayed ea time for the lost Babies and the Souls of the Mothers. I am glad to see they are closing around the Country! Thank you for your article, have a nice eve

        • Sanity, Thank you for the spanking for making these assumptions and stereotyping you. Please accept my apology. I deserved a good spanking.

    • Teresa B says:

      Sanity God does not hear a Prayer from a Non Believer, and I would never sit thru one

    • In your post here you “demon”strate precisely the battle plan implemented by Satan to neuter and silence the people of God. Satan couldnt have said it better himself Satiny.
      In this post you do not make any statements of faith or that Jesus is “Come in the flesh” NOTHING that would lead anyone to believe you are a Christian. Only propaganda and semantics that Believers associatte with the enemies of truth. Then in later posts you decide to put on the cloak of a Christian because you deem it to be to your strategic advantage to advance the agenda of your master.
      “While they promise them liberty, THEY THEMSELVES ARE SLAVES of corruption for by whom a person is overcome, BY HIM also he is brought into bondage…” 2Peter 2:19

      • Teresa B says:

        hi, are you talking to me?

        • No no no Teresa B. I clicked on “Reply” to Sanity’s post and for some reason it appeared below YOURS. Im sorry my Precious Sister! No I sense your love for Jesus in your posts. Its unmistakable.
          I want to encourage you to not let your heart be troubled by the doctrinal differences discussed on this site. Jesus told the Doctors and teachers of the law “You search the scriptures for in them you think you have eternal life, and these are they that speak of Me but you are unwilling to COME TO ME THAT YOU MAY HAVE LIFE.” TRUTH is not so much a dogma but a Person. It is obvious you know that Person. He IS Truth with a Capital T. Bless you Teresa

          • Teresa B says:

            thank you K, yes my heart is for the Lord. But I haven’t seen where I thought he was wrong but things jump around so maybe I missed some, ??

  71. Sanity says:

    During President G.W. Bush’s time in office, 3 Imams were invited to open with prayer. Where were your outraged articles then?

  72. Sanity says:

    Please do your research before you preach intolerance.

    • Look insanity if you don’t like the posts here then take it somewhere else. We all happen to like the posts here.

      • Sanity says:

        Perfect answer from a sheep hiding safely in the wrong flock, surrounded by his own glory. I pray you find your way back to the true Christ and to God.

    • Sanity, Do you preach tolerance of protecting human life in the womb?

      • God happens to be a right wing extremist. You might want to read the bible if your a liberal before you attack a right winger.

        • Sanity says:

          As for God being a “right wing extremist,” I think it’s sad that you condescend to attribute such human attributes to him. What we know of God from the New Testament – which you seem to be ignoring in your statement, if I read you correctly – is that we are to spread the Word through love and living example. I don’t see any of that happening here, so I doubt it matters what political views you follow; they won’t secure you a seat in Heaven, friend.

          • Teresa B says:

            I have no idea what you are talking about really just reading. But I can tell you I have never attended a Church w so many diff opinions on Scripture. Maybe choice of Music or food but not Scripture. Not sure what to do w that

          • Follow Jesus, Teresa.

          • Teresa B says:

            Hi Brenda, I do I am. While I don’t understand all the bickering back and forth as most of it serves no purpose other than that. Most are already Christians on here, and ea brings their own interpretation I guess. That’s why I said what I did, I am always w people on the same page so to speak. I am black and white, not middle rd on things for me I guess. to me it would be like telling my Methodist 90 yr old Mom she has been taught skewed her life? although she has not attended Church in yrs, I was one to and different than Evan which I am now.So I do understand that part, I just enjoy reading, and learning, and appreciate kind thoughts as well as the Hmmm ones! Thanks You have a great rest of the day

          • Whats sad is you coming in here talking about us calling others sinners and thats exactly the comment you came in under lol So your double talk does no good against those who can see.

          • In fact I myself don’t call others sinners. I post Gods words. Gods word does pierce like a sword though. :)

          • Sanity says:

            I’m not sure if #225 was for Teresa B. or I, but I can say for my part at least that I never called anyone a sinner. My initial comment was to point out the farcical nature of this article. It breeds hate and intolerance under the guise of righteousness, and as a Christian it makes me sick. But perhaps you have a better stomach for that kind of un-Christian pot-stirring. I don’t really see how that’s double-talk, either, but you seem to be set on your own way of interpreting things. God bless either way. I hope you do reflect on our conversation and realize the error of using an instance of Muslim prayer to show the evil of the POTUS when he neither sponsored the speaker nor was the only President to be in office when such an event occurred. Sites that proclaim to be Christian that set up hate-mongering like this only serve to divide us more, drive others away, and shed a bad light on all Christians. That’s not the type of Christianity I practice, and I hope you learn not to practice it, either. God bless and I wish you well.

          • Camp O’sloppymama is out for the summer as we can see. Fully indoctrinated. lol

          • Teresa B says:

            well since I am mentioned, but sure you are speaking of me in this situation, I did call someone a sinner, he is not w Christ in actions. But I said it because we all are. Mr. Sanity, I don’t care if he set the prayer up, whoever does it is aligned by someone to do so or they wouldn’t be there. My objection is he is not a Believer in our God so his msg means nothing to me. The Pres is Muslim, his fav sounds is their Prayer, he engages in Ramadan. Pretty simple for me

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Well said Teresa!

          • I spread the word with all love. I am against gays and abortion. Which is labeled as right wing extremist down here. So your right. God is a lot further right wing extremist then that cause He is against a lot more then that.

            Just the same as the pharisees did not want to hear Jesus Christs loving words. I get the same when I bring his loving words. :) I will be rewarded for it.

          • Benyomin says:

            Now it came about when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, (K)a man was standing opposite him with his sword drawn in his hand, and Joshua went to him and said to him, “Are you for us or for our adversaries?” He said, “No; rather I indeed come now as captain of the host of the Lord.” And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and bowed down, and said to him, “What has my lord to say to his servant?” Joshua 5:13-14

            God is neither a Republican or a Democrat but He does desire that all should be holy. That would enable us to discern between what is right and what is wrong.

          • You missing understanding what liberals label right wing extremist on earth Gods teaches way more right wing extreme then that. Read your bibles. Like or not its in Gods word.

          • Sanity says:

            I am not “missing understanding” anything. Do you realize you’re making the Bible sound the same as what others complain is in the Koran? God loves all, he is not “against” anyone. He teaches love, acceptance, and forgiveness. I’m so disgusted by all of those who use the Bible as a way to fuel their prejudices. It’s just sickening. If God truly doesn’t want gays in Heaven, then guess what? They won’t be there. That doesn’t mean you have to be intolerant to them while still on Earth. I am literally shaking my head in disbelief over you. If you’re truly an example of what this site has to offer as Christianity, then the struggle for good is harder than I feared. God bless all, I hope you find your way Home.


          • Sanity:

            During President G.W. Bush’s time in office, 3 Imams were invited to open with prayer. Where were your outraged articles then?

            Clearly sir you are misunderstanding. You come in calling names. When your straightened out by someone you don’t like it and try to twist things around. Like I said if you don’t like it to bad. But I always tell it like it is. You still have time to change though not much.

          • Benyomin says:

            The gist of Josh 5:13-14 is that God is for what God wants. If one side is righteous He will fight on behalf of that side. If that side turns out, in the future, not to righteous, He will turn His back on them.

            That’s what happened historically to Israel. However, God points out that for the sake of His reputation and the covenant He made to Abraham, He would restore Israel to the land. The only way that He could do that and remain consistent with His holy character would be to bring Israel to repentance.

            We Jews are not repentant. We will never see peace in Israel until e.g. gay rights parades cease to exist on the streets of Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. There will never be peace until the orthodox cease to think that the answers to life are in the Talmud as opposed to the Tanaach. There will never be peace in Israel until it is discovered that ALL aspects of life… worship, work, play, are holy (Zech.14) and ultimately, there will never be peace in Israel until we en masse receive Jesus as our Messiah.

            When the people are righteous, God fights for them. What we’re seeing in the Middle East right now? No one is righteous. God will allow us to endure the consequences of unrighteous, even if that means blowing each other’s brains out.

      • Sanity says:

        I beg tolerance for all. I preach pro-life and forgive pro-choice. God did not put me on this Earth to make others’ decisions for them, or to force my will upon them. I can only offer guidance and pray for the troubled to follow the righteous path. I pray you all learn to do the same.

  73. STL says:

    Ron. To the unrighteous ones they consider FAITH as being weak. But being a Born Again Christian(s) when there is not enough proveth in Scriptures, we based our hope on our FAITH is Jesus Christ. So we believbe the Rapture will be before the Tribulation. You might feel thats stupid, but when you come down to the end, all we have is our FAITH!

  74. STL says:

    TYPO= believbe= believe

  75. Kennt says:

    Absolute “OBAMAINATION” and DESECRATION of OUR HOUSE! We have been SOLD OUT BY THE POLITICIANS!

  76. STL says:

    DR. Terry Carter,
    Before the Messiah appears, The Jews are waiting for Elijah to appear as the fore runner to the Messiah. When John the Baptist was Baptising people they asked him if he was Elijah!

  77. Ron says:

    Pray for Pre- , Hope for Mid-, Prepare for Post !

    Read in the NT and history just how the early church and those new believers ESCAPED all that persecution and sufferring. (NOT !)

    Better be ready when that faith is put to the test.

  78. Now President Obama is in charge of a Republican Congress. Wow.!!!! Some people are just STUPID.!!!!! That man standing in the back is the speaker of the house. Mr. John Boehner a republican from the buckeye state.!!! Lololol…

  79. Teresa B says:

    I don’t dwell on Rapture Revelations and End Times, I will be ready. To complex for my mind so I concentrate on the other Books of Scripture. But I do read you all. So as I was reading I found this. I would like all of your opinion after reading, if you do. It will help me more Thanks and have a Blessed day!
    http://www.sigler.org/notibutchrist/The%20Rap-SorL.htm

  80. STL says:

    Everyone should put the faith in Jesus Christ. If you praying for USA or the World to turn around and follow aftert Jesus Christ, then you lost. USA is doomed!

    • Teresa B says:

      Hi STL sometimes I don’t get you. Why do you pray for lost souls? Isn’t the USA full of them? Govt is USA lost souls aren’t they? Isnt that what the Lord wants is for that? Doesn’t He want everyone to turn to Him? You have a great day

  81. Benyomin says:

    I hate to say it, but you’re right.

    As Paul said to Timothy… “Preach the Word in season out of season”.

  82. STL says:

    S. klein: If you not a Christian, not a Muslim. Are you atheist?

  83. STL says:

    Klein: Yes, the Jews murdered Jesus. But Jesus knew this would happen. Because the fore runner to the Messiah is Elijah, and that never happened. Jesus came here to sled his blood, so his lost sheep could be saved through Salvation and enter His kingdom. So the jews are not guilty of His death on the cross.

    There still waiting for Elijah!

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
      Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
      Mat 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

  84. STL says:

    Teresa B. When I said, USA is doomed. I met our politicans gave up on the USA, I did not mean all the people are doomed, there is Americans recieving Salvation everyday, but as for the USA, its over being a Nation of God!

  85. Lyn Leahz says:

    Me too! Love music! God bless you.

  86. Lyn Leahz says:

    Right here sis…up a little. With the pic of the lamb.

  87. Angus says:

    Learn to read, there is no ‘rapture’ in any of it, a losers interpretation of a word, a phrase and the intention. Get a grip and read the book without your human bias and propensity towards ‘us’ and ‘them’ within a made up notion.

  88. Teresa says:

    Praise to the King Jesus. These are some of the best posts I have read. Most encourage and lift up the saints of the most high God Jehovah. Those seeking to serve the Lord and build His kingdom with souls is evident from many posters. This is the heart of the Lord–souls. Lets us all be about the Father’s business. Study the Word and then GO to your world of where God has you for now. Don’t wait till you think you have arrived. You have arrived by the blood of Christ.

  89. Anthony says:

    I don’t see what the big deal is. This is the United States of America, where people have freedom of religion. Just because the majority of the population chooses Christianity doesn’t make it wrong to practice any other religion.

  90. Rick says:

    No, the sweetest sound is hearing the engines to the moving vans start up that are taking his furniture out of the White House.

  91. Lyn Leahz says:

    God bless you, Ty. No problem on anything. Be blessed!

  92. Lyn Leahz says:

    :-) I’m not offended. Just making sure you knew I didn’t mean to imply anything like that, just in case somehow, unknowingly, I did. God bless you.

  93. My new Authorized KJV arrives tomorrow, SO EXCITED!

    I wonder if the old NIV I have will scream when I throw it in the fire pit, like my AC/DC albums did :)

    • Teresa B says:

      Hi Mark, don’t throw it, find a church that supports Prison Inmates. I gave all my old unread ones, you know before you get smart, and ones I picked up at Garage Sales, etc. My NIV was my starting place, now I have NKJ the real KJ is to hard for me! Have a great day

      • You are aware that a lesbian was one of the translators, aren’t you?

        Burn baby, Burn!!!!

        • Teresa B says:

          Hi Mark, sometimes I have to laugh at what is written to me. What are you talking about, who, and how would I know? thanks

          • Glad you asked. From the site pawcreek.org:

            A Noted Lesbian And The NIV Translation

            (Listen to this Interview!) A confessed lesbian helped translate the NIV “Bible”. Her name was Dr. Virginia Mollenkott and she was an English Professor at the William Patterson University of New Jersey at the time of this interview. She is the author of a host of books and believed she had a strong influence on the translation of that particular translation. The NIV changed the term “sodomy” to a new term “temple prostitute”. She certainly believed that this solfening was a good thing and took some credit in helping to accomplish that goal. There is no doubt that Dr. Mollenkott was well known for her far-left liberalism and the facts of her lifestyle. A little review of her books and personal background show that direction. Her view of almost every great truth of Scripture is left of center.

            Dr Mollenkott had long spoke of a de-absolutized Bible. It is very clear in the thinking of some of those that gave us the NIV translation that an absolute text was not there goal. In fact this translation is not a translation but a transliteration. I believe the proper term for this text is paraphrase. When you study the changes and deletions you quickly see that it is an “Apostate” Bible that is leading the church away from truth. Look at the warning words of our Lord Jesus Christ to all of us. “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Revelation 22:18-19)

            I believe that any church denomination or local church that adopts this apostate text is part of the Harlot church in Revelation seventeen. (GOD said “Come Out Of Her!”)
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          • Teresa, a little advice;

            Learn Baby Learn! :)

          • Teresa B says:

            I am ole woman so don’t work, being on here is like a full time job! Don’t know how the rest of you do it! I will read it all, go there too. I don’t care so much, the people that print them all now are not even Christian I understand. I say that because like I said I got started and the others were to watered down. In Bible Study both and other were read to see the meanings. When I held it to my NKJ I did not see much difference in the changing words. For beginners it is easier to start is all, going there now thanks

          • God Bless you, Sister!

          • Teresa B says:

            Hi thank you . I went to the web to research more as I didn’t see anything here that tells me enough is what I am saying, When I went to the site, it is a an Pastor and looks normal but did not spend much time there. Is the above NIV? I put it next to NKJ and guess I again see much difference, but I always go by NKJ the other helps me understand I guess I am trying to say, am I digging my hole? Cover me gently please, have a nice eve

          • The point would be this:

            The Devil had at least some input when the NIV was made, by way of his lesbian servant.

            The Devil mixes lies with The Truth.

            The NIV is therefore adulterated and should be avoided at all cost.

  94. Bey says:

    Forgive me for asking…what language did JESUS speak? I believe it would have been Aramaic/Hebrew. So what was the WORD for GOD in Aramaic…i’ll wait. Go look it up and get spooked out even more than this absolutely HATEFUL material that is presented. Have a Beautiful day. Peace and Love.

  95. In response to Siddiqui. My information on Islam came from none of those courses but from a Seminary class in Demonology which covers many topics including cults and religions an there origins both historically (as recorded by historian’s written records) and known fact. We also covered Buddha,, Baal, Allah, Thor , Greek Mythology and other gods known to be worshiped in recorded history. Most of then news agencies don’t go back that far or in depth on the origins of most religions. It would seem that in a modern age that the Worship of a Moon god is a little far fetched. Sexual perversion was very common in the worship of false Gods and child sacrifices were common. One has to question a “religion” that rewards killing with the promise of going to Heaven. Islam came after Christianity and of course the Ten Commandments long before that. No true religion condones killing with the promise of reward. But then I don’t consider Islam a religion but a political entity intent with world domination under the pretense of a religion. No different that Socialism, Neo-Nazi’s and communism. It is not “normal” for a person to enjoy killing no matter what the reason.

  96. vrice says:

    I by absolutely no means ever intend to accept the Muslim culture as my own, nor any other RELIGION. religions have caused more wars than any other causes on earth. Personally i am a follower of Jesus Christ whose father is ” GOD “. before i watched and heard this.prayer, i feared what i may hear a prayer to some other than the GOD of nation. Most comments prior even indicate this. However, as most patriotic woman, a lover of OUR land and a follower of Jesus, i heard this man, no matter his race, request blessings and.favor from God. I.do believe our country is at risk of change that may come against us and theGod our nation was founded under. however,my ears heard this man pray a very pretty prayer to God and no other. most of you seem to be commenting in anger, i suppose only because of who you see.That to me is passing judgement. This particular man prayed to God. Please people, listen, read, hear… on every issue as it comes. dont be a follower of a crowd, you may just be taken over a cliff. God, please help me and all your people to discern the good from the bad, help us through these hard times to walk, talk and love like you. Help us to fight wars of religion with your word. Our country needs you too hold us and keep us as we.do fight for what you teach and command. Lord, please guide us as our leader as to how to keep the love of Christ in the forefront of our future battles.

  97. Read Rev 3:10. It is talking about the church. Do I believe Pre-Trib, Yes.
    The church is not mentioned from the 4th chapter until the end of the book at the marriage feast of the lamb.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Yes it is talking about the church and also the whole world. We all will see this time. And If you keep the patience of His Word you will not be tempted.

      Luk 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake.
      Luk 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
      Luk 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
      Rom_5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
      Col_1:11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
      2Th_1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

      Heb_6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

      Heb_10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
      Jas_1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
      Jas_1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

      Jas_5:10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.

      2Pe_1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

      Rev_3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

      Rev_13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

      Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
      Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

      These saints are the Church, not the Jews.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        It is not the death we must fear, but rather the failing of the trial or trying of our faith, that will come upon the whole world.

        Mat_10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

    • Jabez says:

      It amazes me that “The Blessed Hope” for some, is to earn
      salvation by suffering through “the day of distress,” when
      only the 144,000 JEWS that are sealed by God, will be spared the 5 month scorpian bites, and the guilletines,
      etc …

      I’m trusting that the blood of Christ alone has PAID for my redemption, and I am waiting to be redeemed, as I SEE
      all these things happening around the world, kingdom of
      darkness/deception rising AGAINST the kingdom of Christ.

      Crossing the species barrier, building the LAST Babylon,
      even the Heavens are lined up as it was in Noah’s day (David Flyn) and violence in the land, etc …

      The Holy Spirit (restrainer of evil) has to be taken out of the way before the lawless one will be revealed (at the appionted time) THEN he comes with lying signs, etc, and
      with all of satans power to decieve those that have rejected Christ’s salvation.

      ps There is a Prince who has Muhamheads bloodline and
      could unite the world (after Ez 35, Psalm 83 war)
      East & West, Mother & Daughter
      Another Prince who claims King David’s bloodline

      Ezekiel 35 says “the WHOLE EARTH will rejoice” soon.

      “Your redemption draws near.”

      • Teresa B says:

        HI Jabez thank you. So what do you think the Lord will be doing in that time after we are gone? Is it a time where he does nothing and that’s all Hell breaking loose? I have been told/read that after we are gone folks will have chance to Repent. If that is so, He then is busy because why Iould that be different than now. I have to have the ready heart, and circumstances create that. just confused myself

        • Jabez says:

          Hi Teresa,
          In answer to your question “So what do you think the Lord will be doing in that time after we are gone?”

          “The time of Jacob’s trouble,” is the 70th week of Daniel,
          and will be under the law, as were the previous 69 weeks,
          and the two witnesses will preach 1260 days and will be
          killed by anti-Christ, etc …
          the daily sacrifice has to restart soon, because as Daniel
          says the (first) “daily sacrifice” will be cut off 1290 days BEFORE the abomination is set-up, at which time it will be cut off AGAIN (second time) 1260 days from the confirmation of the covenant, which would mean,
          their will be 30 days from the daily sacrifice(#1) being cut off UNTIL the covenant is CONFIRMED.

          Sacrifice restarted, cut off 1290 days before abomination.
          (Psalm 83, Ezekiel 35, etc … WAR.)
          Covenant signed 1260 before abomination.
          Sacrifice cut off AGAIN at the abomination.

          30 days notice/warning ?

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Jabez, you lack understanding a bit. The Jews being sealed to protect them from God’s wrath are after tribulation and after any thought of rapture. The wrath of God is just before the Lord returns with His army to take the Kingdom back from the antichrist. He will return to take that kingdom at the last plague of His wrath on both accounts, Trumpets and Vials.

        Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
        Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

        Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

        Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
        Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

        Dan 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
        Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
        Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

        • Teresa B says:

          I could not understand the other, Ron do you see how easy it is for people to be misleadFor the most part all ar Christians on here but they interpet Scripture different. Whos is correct when both sides are reading Bible. So I ask, do all attend Church to help guide them along the way or is everyone like me does not attend anymore so go by their assumption? Thanks and have a nice Eve, Blessings

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Teresa, The Bible is to simple and that is the problem. The wise think it to be a great mystery. It is as simple as you want it to be. Do make it complicated and it won’t be. Now I know that sounds like babble to you, but let me put it another way. The Book of the 7 seals is the story of the end time told in full. It contains nothing else but that. It doesn’t contain any thing before that or after Jesus’ return to earth after the wrath of God. That is as simple as it is. If you will study that first you will being to see, blessed Sister. Look at the seals the first 4 are the antichrist. The 4th & 5th are the tribulation, the sixth is the rapture, according to Matt 24:29. The 6th is also the sealing of the Jews(144000) at about the same time as the rapture. Then the 7th seal is totally dedicated to the wrath of God, the 7 trumpet. Jesus returns at the 7th trumpet to set up his kingdom, on the earth, in the city of Jerusalem. just look at that and make sense of that alone. Once you see that, then understanding will begin to open you eyes wide open and no one will convince you otherwise. What I tell you is the truth. It’s up to you to find it this way.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            The Book of the Seven Seals are finished at the return of the Lord at the 7th trumpet, book closed. I said closed, amen! I don’t care what Chapter 12-22 says, the book is still closed. All that happens after the 7th trumpet event in Revelation is referring back to that same time period or there after, with the exception of chapter 12. It goes back to the time of Christ for a verse or two.

  98. The fact that a new temple will be built tells me one thing. Israel whens the battle. I believe the actual tribulation period begins 3.5 years after the anti-Christ come on the scene. As I said before he will appear as a man of peace and will take power after a great calamity occurs on Earth. This great calamity is likely to be the sudden disappearance of millions of people refereed to as the rapture. The battle that you refer to will occur after the Abomination of Desolation when the antichrist reveals him self to Israel as the Messiah. This battle will occur sometime immediately after that. There will be a battle over the temple mound, otherwise the temple would not be built. There is a slight possibility that it could be the battle you are talking about, but I don’t think so.. Remember after the Abomination of Desolation is when the anti-Christ turns on the world and the judgment’s occur and 2/3 of the worlds population are killed.

  99. As far as Israel making the first strike. That is likely to happen because she will defend herself. Things will begin to escalate with-in the next few years. The big question is with Obama in power will the U.S. remain a ally to Israel. That remains to be seen. Hopefully he is removed from office. It is a wait and see scenario.

  100. Allen Runyon says:

    How is it that a Christian can’t pray in Congress but it’s alright for a muslim too. That obama being obama. What I want to know is why are senators haven’t done something about it.

  101. Obviously we have a Neo-Nazi here. It was the High Priests and the Sanhedrin that wanted Jesus killed. IT was the Romans who nailed him to the cross. This was in God’s define plan for the Salvation of man and was Prophesied to happen. God is not angry with the Jews because the death of Christ was a act of God’s love toward man. Besides, He is risen and because of that we can inherit Heaven, There had to a Sacrifice for sin and Jesus was that Sacrifice. We no longer nee a Priest to confess our sins to because Christ is our Priest and we can go straight to him for forgiveness.

  102. Thank you for the information Bro. Ron. I have dealt with them before all over the country. He might be a Muslim, but I doubt it. They would quote something from the Koran I believe. Anyway it quite obvious he is a member of a hate group. IT is strange that he would use that verse though.

  103. Benyomin says:

    Islam positions itself at eternal enmity with the Jewish people and Christians as well.

    God promises through Jeremiah chapter 31, that Israel will survive history.

    God described His love for the Jewish people in passages such as Isa. 49:15 which (speaking of Israel) says “Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you!”

    Islam has an emotional response totally contrary to that. In essence, therefore, Islam is directly opposed to the will of God.

    From another perspective, however, the God of the universe uses all things in order to carry out His will. We Jews need to, en masse, come to the realization that Jesus is in fact, our Messiah. That will come about as foretold by Zechariah 12:10.

    Trouble and pain are sometimes necessary in order to extract repentance. Hence, God will use Islam and the Islamic world to ultimately draw the Jews to Himself. And I assure you, in the end “Every eye shall see and every tongue confess, to the glory of God, that Jesus, the Messiah is LORD.”

    Throughout Ezekiel we see this pattern where pain is inflicted on a people. The pain is not inflicted because God likes causing pain. At the end of each section it provides God’s motive… “in order that THEY WILL KNOW that I am the LORD.”

  104. Cindy says:

    yesturday I participated in an impeach obama rally, and I was not suprised by all the idiots that are devoted to this man. We had people flip us off, cuss us out, call us names….pretty sad…….God help us

  105. Benyomin says:

    Probably half of them were hired with money funneled out of your taxes.

  106. Mike says:

    I have not followed all of this thread because it’s very long and my time is very short. I want to add that the Devil is defeating us through this liberal concept called “tolerance”. It means that we are no longer supposed to discriminate between right and wrong; rather, accept everything and everyone as equals. I find it quite funny when progressives raise their voices about peace, love, and acceptance. However, like Cindy found out, they immediately go into Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde mode if you criticize or disagree with their propoganda. And unfortunately, the darkness has breached the walls of Gods Church as homosexuality and other liberal ideologies have found sanctuary in many of our denominations. I strongly urge all Christians to stay right and take care of you and yours because that’s all that we have any control over. God bless you all and God bless America.

  107. Thoughtfull says:

    Obama’s congress? Uhhhmmmm……Congress is not run by the President and the President does not select the prayer. This blog post and discussion thread oozes ignorance and bias.

  108. Well. I am a Independent Baptist, so may ask what is your faith ? And why the hatred toward the Jews ?

  109. Bill says:

    what is happening to us and where is Boehner, he can stop this madness, this evil religion is of war and murder. we dont want these people here we want them expelled from the country , all of them have to go. this is a nation founded on christian thought and principles not of islamic nut jobs. my country was founded on gods holy word , not some demonic koran.

  110. Mike says:

    If you hold to the world view that God will Rapture the church off the face of the earth before the tribulation. Then there has to be some explaning to do to those that have died for the sake of Christ all over the world and through out the ages. I think the word Rapture is not even in the Bible. Have fun finding it. It was introduced in the late 1800. Protection does not mean you will not go through pain and suffering. There are no guarantees, because if God guaranees it then he lied. But he has not lied our understanding has not been correct.

  111. Benyomin says:

    God is definitely against abortion. He’s against sex outside of marriage (which is probably what’s responsible for most abortions). In fact He’s against divorce and remarriage (maybe the “church” should have been more demonstrative on that point as well).

    He’s also a compassionate God who’s substitutionary atonement on the cross satisfies His wrath and turns “sinners” into objects of His love. I’ll grant you this, however, God’s “values” remain constant. He demands repentance as part of the process of being reconciled with Him.

    • Mat 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
      Mat 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
      Mat 3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
      Mat 3:4 And the same John had his raiment of camel’s hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.
      Mat 3:5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
      Mat 3:6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
      Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
      Mat 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

    • Ilona says:

      Ben, I agree…repentance and obedience.

  112. Lyn Leahz says:

    :-) See some of my other comments. Agreed. Prophecy will be fulfilled… so it’s only going to get worse. The thing we can change (as I mention in another comment here) is how many souls DON’T go to hell. God bless you! ♪♫

    • Yes, Lyn, that is why we warn them, with the truth of God. Amen! So they will be able to stand in the day when they are tried.

      • Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
        Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand

  113. vrice says:

    thank you for noticing my comment. i wondered if anyone would, as it really doesn’t strike a debate in the meaning of the entire book of revelation. Lol i thought the subject to comment on was the posted prayer. these debates are meaningless other than giving believers something to. our first priority is to lead others to salvation in him. these countless comments would be so confusing and disheartening to someone who might be in need of salvation.

    • The subject to post on is the posted prayer. But we are all blessed when we share Gods word together. Anything scriptures are shared is a blessing to many.

    • I beg to differ, the Word of God is not meaningless.

      • Amen Brenda, its never meaningless. More liberal propaganda I see.

      • Teresa B says:

        Brenda I did not take it to mean Vrice said the Word of God was meaningless, just comments? I sort of agree, w the Bantering I talk about. Its almost like going to Benny Hinn and being yelled at. But I know it comes from the heart, so doesn’t bother me. This is where I agree, tell me if wrong. One thing has always bothered me is that when someone comes to accept Jesus, at the end they are counseled. In larger church I attende they followed thru, put you in camp to learn so to speak. But sm ones,
        kinda left to figure things out. On here if you are a real new one, how you going to understand the BIG print .
        Does that make sense? I have a hard time w it sometimes because I don’t and won’t have the understanding of Scripture that is confusing. I hope I didn’t offend, just crossed my mind. So if someone is new I would say stay put, you will learn. Thanks

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Teresa, The word of God has many values, it is given for milk or it is given for meat. The young in the Lord will not be able to take the meat and neither does the elder need the milk. Time is running short. We all need to hear, what thus saith the Lord. To each his own, I believe Paul said. But Yes the young need to grow in his word and the elder need their meat. God is Lord of all.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Hi, Teresa…Brenda here—-yes, the Word of God is good.
          We -all- are in a learning process. The Bible is the greatest book ever written. It brings knowledge and salvation, to those who heed its teachings. It is from an all knowing God, and He sees our heart. Just like my husband said, we have to grow in that knowledge. He doesn’t want us to stay as babes, he wants us to learn of Him. Yes, stay with us. Thank you and God bless.

          • Teresa B says:

            Hi B, thank you. I do not mean to offend anyone one the yelling part, but when you come screaming w Revelations in big print its like a train coming and for us milkers its like WHOA, You know it takes a LOT to understand have of that Book that’s why I stick to the others and just be ready! I appreciate you both for your posts have a nice eve, Blessings

  114. Please tell me your not listening to Benny Hinn. Lord Have Mercy.

    • Teresa B says:

      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO of course not! Its just that some come across as yelling yelling and yelling to people, not used to that is all. I meant some Pentecostal Preachers YELL enough to scare you to death even if what they say is true, approach is all, thanks

  115. Teresa B says:

    see what you think on this one/Train wrecks and Phrophecy

    http://watchmanscry.com/audio_news16_pts1_2_3.html

  116. Teresa B says:

    I am not sure its ok to post articles, but my fingers get nuts. This is important to see how Islam is taking over our schools,

    http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-defends-textbook-calling-muhammad-gods-messenger.html

  117. vrice says:

    most of these posts “BEG to DIFFER” the word of GOD is all meaning. the original post of the prayer before congress…how does it strike debate, anger, harsh words and other unkind words between believers. We who are saved by the shedding of the blood of Christ through salvation are all the same. We are heaven bound no matter the vile we live through, tribulation, or any other mountain we must climb. I’m not here to differ with believers. i was here to post that i no mention in his prayer of allah, buddah or any other. Praise God that’s not what we heard. right?

  118. vrice says:

    but he WAS there with our president, as it appears our president may be.Muslim, that our congress is beginning to attempt to take many of our rights, and on and on. the man, no matter his race prayed a prayer to OUR God. I’ve seen and heard other prayers that make my heart bleed for our country. this just wasn’t one of them. again thank God:) our president and all of congress was.subject to a prayer to God Almighty. However, my true curiosity here is…..no prayers in school? , the name of GOD possibly removed from our currency? removed from the pledge to our beautiful flag? All decisions made or to be made by congress. So why prayer before congressional meeting? It’s a great thing, just seems to contradict the current issues.

  119. Ref to Rev 2:9 Yes those questions are for you.

  120. me says:

    You have got to be joking.right this is a sick joke

  121. R. Price says:

    RAPTURE NOT IN THE BIBLE!?! Really? what Bible are you reading if you believe that? I promise you, the word IS in the Bible. Understanding what the word means takes time and perseverance, it’s not an elementary concept.

    In Latin the root word is ‘Rapturo’ – ‘simul rapiemur cumillis’ *
    In Greek the word is ‘Harpazo’ – ἁρπάζω
    In English the word is most commonly translated as ‘caught up’.

    1 Thess 4:17
    Then we who are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air

    Let’s put this idea of the word ‘rapture’ not being in Bible to rest for once and for all, for crying out loud, for the Love of Jesus (Yeshua).

    * Rapiemur and rapturo are two forms of the same verb, viz: rapio, rapere, rapui, raptus – “to catch or seize” (among other definitions). Rapiemur is the first person, plural, future, indicative, passive. Rapturo is the future active participle.

  122. R. Price says:

    The word you would find in a Latin dictionary for ‘Rapture’ (first person singular present indicative active) is ‘rapio’.

  123. thrushjz says:

    Curious, those of you who say the Lord will not return and take his (true) believers up with him, how do you deal with this scripture .”After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together
    with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. …” 1Thess 4:17 You either take all of the bible, or throw it all out. You cannot take the passages out that you do not like, and keep the ones you do like. You are inventing your own self centered theology, and your own self centered god, which is yourself.

  124. The actual word “RAPTURE” is not in the KJV of the Bible. It means to be” taken up or snatched away ” and as been used by Theologian’s to describe the event to take place .

    • Teresa B says:

      thank you , that’s what I was trying to ask/say. I took what they are arguing about as manmade, we are going so what diff does the term make? Thank you Rev Carter Have a nice evening

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Yes It is Going to happen as it is written, no matter what it’s called really don’t matter so much and is nothing to argue about. But the timing of the event is very important no matter who disagrees.

  125. DC: Just wanted to say you are an inspiration to me.

    Carry on, brother :)

  126. Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    How can Christians be beheaded by the anti-Christ if they are raptured before the tribulation. God will not pour out his wrath on his people. I am no expert and it is vague on rapture, but from what I read, my belief, and this is only my belief, we will suffer the wrath of man and the the first 3.5 yrs of tribulation. Most of us will be killed (physical body, but can not kill our spirit) for not taking the mark of the beast and thru general devastation. God will pour out his wrath the last 3.5 yrs I would believe he will protect those who are still alive until his coming at the end of those 7 yrs. We, Christians, are already suffering the wrath of man for 2000 yrs. We will see it more in America and previously Christian western worls as the great Apostasy (turning from truth) takes place. We are already seeing it as America’s, Europe’s Christians are being harassed, attacked, arrested, fined and jailed for not accepting the LGBT agenda, Planned parenthood/abortionist agenda, etc. Obama is quickly ushering this along. God gives us wisdom. Prepare. Even a head of a stock brokerage firm suggested to clients when questioning what would be their best investment in these times suggested buying a farm in the mountains and stockpile non-perishable foods, seed and survival supplies.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      You are very close, by what you believe , NCM. If I may help you understand a little deeper, please allow me. Strictly scriptures of coarse, but study them well.

      Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
      Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
      Now this is the Scripture Jesus was speaking of:
      Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

      I hope this will help you, Brother. By know this truth you will be better prepared. God be with you.

  127. Lyn Leahz says:

    Amen..and I knew who you meant :-) He is strong in the Lord for sure!

    • Hi Lyn. The trailer or add for your book is VERY well done. If your book carries the same message as your posts it must be very anointed. You Message is “Let everyone who thirsts come and drink of the waters of life freely” DL Moody an anointed evangelist of the 1800s had a powerfully gifted singer named Sankey who accompanied him to his meetings. Moody poignantly and pithily said “The People come to hear Sankey sing and I CATCH THEM IN THE GOSPEL NET!” ;-) I put you and your book on my prayer list. That you will CATCH THEM in the gospel net my Precious Sister!
      Please pray for the documentary I am working on (For the same purpose) :-) We have about 35 interviews 10 of people who were conceived in rape and incest. (Several of them I am tempted to believe they are angels) who are sent into the world to be champions of God’s love and Divine intent. Warriors and Champions for the unborn. THAT is one of the Beautiful ways our Wonderful God rolls Lyn! 10 Interviews are of women who conceived through sexual assaults. Almost all of them said (In so many words) that they have NO DOUBT but that their children are special gifts to them sent from God to bring healing, purpose and love into their lives. Also a dozen interviews of people who brought to term children who they knew had problems. Children who the Doctors said should be aborted, that would be no more than a “Doorknob.” These children were accompanied into this world with a Divine message of grace. The Divine intent is for these children and families to bring salt and light into the world. To cultivate Grace in those who care for them, pray for them and treat them with love and dignity. Jesus said “When saw we THEE…” Jesus Masquerades among us in some peculiar disguises! Praise His Holy Name! To these “Doorknobs” God adds a Divine Door. HIMSELF!
      kevin@conceivedinrape.com

  128. R. Price says:

    The weakness of brevity is lack of clarity… so yes,

    The implication of those who say the word ‘Rapture’ is not in the Bible is that the concept is unbiblical, which couldn’t be further from the truth.

    The Latin Vulgate and the Greek Septuagint are God’s Word just as the King James Version, ESV, ASV, NIV etc. are.

    As someone else pointed out, the word ‘Bible’ comes from the Greek and Latin word for ‘book’ which are ‘Byblos’ and ‘Biblia’, respectively. So why should the Latin-derived word ‘Rapture’ be treated any differently?

    On the topic of this threads’s main story:
    Personally, the Imam’s prayer which opens with “the merciful, the wise” clearly is a thinly veiled prayer to Allah, which is no different than invoking the name of a false god for the opening of Congress which makes me feel ill, but I’m not surprised. Our country has become like Nineveh and needs to repent of so much evil. The suggestion that this Imam’s idea of an unknowable “almighty god” being the same as the Judeo-Christian understanding of the God who is knowable and who reveals Himself through His Word is just wrong.

  129. R. Price says:

    “Blessed is the man who makes the Lord his trust, and does not respect the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.”
    Psalm 40:4

  130. This is downright scary. I would say it’s about time to go.
    And for those who don’t know the Lord Jesus, well, you still have a few moments to make your choice.
    There has been a lot of rhetoric pro and con regarding this president. This pretty much removes any doubt at to his true allegiance.
    Now let’s see what the media does with this.

  131. Allah in Hebrew means lawlessness and that is exactly what the US Congress is when all the evidence is exposed including NOHIDE laws abolishing witnesse’s needed for convictions…Just like NDAA is Islamic at the core allowing the traitor president OBAMA whose very name changed from Barry reveals exactly what a treasonous war criminal deceiver he is…Trojan horse prince of Persia…The US is under Islamic Coup de’tat…Allah is not the same God as YHWH clearly as Allah begets not …A LIE from the beginning of the deception from the top down…

  132. Just sitting back as a Canadian observer and digesting this , I wonder if the U S citizenry will be in touch with their elected representatives who obviously sat there and listened to this spiel from the muslim cleric.
    This is where the rubber meets the road and if the people who elected these jerks(some of them must be Christians) don’t speak out on this then I guess the United States is a nation of sheep. Also, all you black American Christians, where is your outrage here?

    (Chaplain Peter Marshall will be turning over in his grave – so to speak!)

    • Teresa B says:

      Dear Bones, thank you. I just read Govt giving 195 M to Syria and supplies to Syria. If we were not in the same boat sorta here, I would be the first person pitching this. We are not. Why cant we makeour Borders safer, the Air around the US safer and spend the money we don’t have here. I don’t get it. We cant save the world, we lost ourselves in the process

  133. R. Price says:

    Congress has 535 voting members and ONLY 2 who claim to be Muslim; Congressman Keith Ellison, Democrat, of Minnesota’s 5th Congressional District, which covers the Minneapolis area, is a Muslim first elected in 2006. Congressman Andre Carson, Democrat, of Indiana’s 7th District, which covers portions of Indianapolis, is a Muslim first elected in 2008.

    Since the United States of America is governed by elected representatives, isn’t it a little surprising that a Muslim Imam was invited to say prayers to open a session of Congress? Does anyone know whose idea this was, if it was Congressman Keith Ellison or Congressman Andre Carson? Or was it Barack Hussein Obama himself?

    2/535 = .3% or one third of 1 percent of Congress.

    An estimated 2.1 million Muslims in America / total population of 216 million = .8%, not even 1 percent of America.

    May God Bless every Muslim by opening their eyes to the Truth of the One and Only Triune God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    • Teresa B says:

      Hi R, thank you. Yes and then add Ramadan Dinners and Celebrations he has. No Natl Day of Prayer tho, no Christmas, No Easter. Kinda makes ya wonder

  134. Meh, how much can the Guillotine hurt, anyways?

    Pretty much lights out in one millisecond :)

  135. I am currently finishing an multipart article on endtime prophecy that shows what the Bible really means with certain issues such as the “catching up”, it isn’t what we have been taught. I am in the middle of Revelation right now, which helps to show how several books of scripture reveal a timeline pattern we can use to better understand these prophecies. Revelation is actually one of these books that has a split 14 years of prophecy (the 1st 7 years during the time of and just after the crucifixion of Jesus, while the 2nd 7 years that is beginning to unfold now) scripture proves itself. If anyone would like to read the already finished parts, here is a link to part IV which is when it really begins to get good.
    https://www.facebook.com/notes/michael-gilbert/endtime-prophecy-101-part-iv/712227865460691

  136. God will separate the goats and the sheep in the last day. There is definitely a catching away of the church before the tribulation. I don’t believe Jesus is going to present a bloody bride to His Father in that day.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      A bloody Church for a bloody Christ if you want to go that route, Sir. Don’t you know the blood of that lamb washed us clean. It is a pure white Lamb, with out spot or blemish.

      Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
      Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

      Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. These bloody saints as you call them.
      Don’t you know The slain are precious to Him.

      Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
      Now, I wonder why these people were so blessed above all others? Have you ever considered that, Dannie?

    • STL says:

      Amen Pastor!

  137. Teresa B says:

    I like that I never thought of it in those terms if a bloody body, Blessings

  138. Ellen says:

    Now, why didn’t Congress get up and left? They agree with this.

    • Teresa B says:

      Hi Ellen, well we know the answer to that don’t we. I want to know which person will stand for the Lord because that’s who I will walk w a sign on the street whether he /she wins or not. I have just about had it I guess. Have a nice eve

  139. This site seems to be attracting a lot of pastors as of late.

    It started with LaRue!

  140. Jabez says:

    At least we know how Grampa Noah must have felt, seeing all the hybrids and demi-gods for 600 years before the flood and the building of the first Baylon in his 350 years after the flood, and to me 35 years of watching is soooo long. lol

    The Jews are at the Temple mount today, and I pray a
    million will show up to demand equal rights to pray
    at THEIR Temple, and start the daily sacrifices, because
    there will be 30 days from the day these (soon-to-be) sacrifices are stopped, until the covenant is confirmed.

    Ezekiel 35 talks aboat those that love blood, are aboat to get their fill of it (their own) sadly, but he also reveals that the whole earth will soon rejoice (after this war) and Gog
    and Magog will wait until their appointed time comes.

    Israel will soon spread out, with NO enemies on their border, who want “the name of Israel to be remembered
    no more” (Psalm 83)

    It is the pleasure of God to conceal a mystery (prophecy)
    And the glory of kings to search it out.

    We are WATCHING these things that were written from the beginning ” from ancient times, the things not YET DONE.”

    Even DNA says “the very hairs of your head ARE ALL NUMBERED” but the accidental apes of wisdom won’t
    allow intelligent design to be studied, or even mentioned.

    Imagine complete SANITY one day soon,
    we are aboat to leave this asylum.

    • Teresa B says:

      Hi, your comment on Grandpa Noah made me write. My friend Mark Ludy.com or on FB is an Author. He is working on a book due out around Christmas. It is titled NOAH and is wordless. I saw on fB his pic today of him again and every time I am struck by the eyes. They are of a Grandpa. I encourage all to get his Books they have a wonderful msg. My fav is The Flower Man

  141. Teresa B says:

    Tracy I lost you on here can your respond w your last post? thanks Blessings

  142. Teresa B says:

    Greetings all, It has been another beat up day on here. I have to say I thing I will not cont, praying about it. It is not what I thought, I figured it was like a Bible Study , etc. I am not used to the Body arguing about trivial things and just things that’s not me. So I leave you tonight w prayer and something I just read.

    Psalm 92 NKJ
    It is good to give thanks to the Lord, And to sing praises to your name, O Most High:
    to declare Your lovingkindness in the morning,d Your faithfulness every night,

    blessings all and good night
    An

    • Unfortunately from now to the end you will find that the wheat and the tares grow together until the harvest. HOW CAN YOU KNOW WHO IS WHO.

      The word of God (the scriptures). No matter where you go , no matter the church. This will be the case. For is has been written. To see truth you must stick to the word of God and compare it to what you see and hear. Gods word is the final authority.

      (Matthew 5:18 KJV) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one JOT or one TITTLE shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

      This above verse is basically saying that every period, every comma, right down to every word and little marking of Gods word will be fulfilled. ITS AN AMAZING VERSE.

      (Revelation 17:17 KJV) For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

      (Matthew 13:29 KJV) But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

      (Matthew 13:30 KJV) Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

      (Matthew 13:37 KJV) He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

      (Matthew 13:38 KJV) The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

      (Matthew 13:39 KJV) The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

      The tares grow together with the wheat till the end Teresa, this will be the case EVERYWHERE you go.

      (Revelation 17:17 KJV) For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

      • Teresa B says:

        Good Morning D City, thank you very much, today I am taking a diff approach. I just still don’t get how 2 people can interrupt one verse in 2 or more ways. If I go slow I will figure you all out! Have a great day, Blessings

        • Which verse is that? Also you have to remember what Jesus Christ said about His word.

          (Luke 8:10 KJV) And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

          This is not to say that everyone who is not seeing correctly is not a believer. But it is a huge reason why many do not see. As far as those who believe and do not see they are binding the Holy Spirit from showing them. Cause the Holy Spirit (Comforter) will teach you all things if you allow the Holy Spirit to do so.

          (John 14:26 KJV) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

          Reason that hinder people from seeing or acknowledging the truth is pride, not being humble, unwilling to admit you made mistakes, no fear of the Lord and many other things. Many of them allowed man to teach them about scripture. See Gods people search his word to see what is true. God’s word is the final authority.

          These particular people mentioned in this next verse were commended for being teachable and willing to change, according to Scripture.

          Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

          The question is for the individual person. That question is are you (the individual) teachable like they were?

          Not teachable from mans word but Gods word and what it says. It starts and ends in Gods word. You have to start in Gods word. See what others are saying and if it lines up without contradiction in Gods word. It Ends in Gods word.

  143. Dan says:

    We are not immune to tribulation and persecution from people{ultimately from Satan} , but the Great Tribulation {last 3 1/2 years of the seventieth week of Daniel} is different. It’s God’s wrath and judgements and just as with Lot, he removes the righteous{righteous through God’s grace, not our own works} before the judgment fell on Sodom and Gomorrah. In fact the angel said he could do nothing until Lot was out of there. He then had to grab Lot by the arm and get him and his wife moving.
    Rev. 3:10 was quoted by someone earlier. Some translations render keeping men out of the “hour of testing” instead of the “hour of temptation”.
    Rev. 2:22 “Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.” So if they do repent, they will be spared the Tribulation is what’s implied.
    If the Christians aren’t raptured{harpazo}, then who populates the Earth during the Millennium? Obviously children are born during that time, but if the wicked are judged and we are given our new bodies, who’s left? If we are translated at the end of the Tribulation, the Late Walter Martin said,”That makes the Marriage Supper of the Lamb a sack lunch.”
    God always presents types or models in the Bible that foreshadow certain upcoming events, such as Joseph as a “type” of Christ… Chuck Missler points out that there were three groups during the time of Noah: 1. those that perished in the flood2. those that were preserved through the flood{Noah and his family}-there will be people coming to Christ during the Tribulation like the 144,000 who will be preserved through the Tribulation and many more will be martyred. 3. those that were raptured beforehand, namely Enoch. I realize he was one person, but so are we, the Bride of Christ.
    Blessings to you.

    • One of the most important things too understand is that the persecution of Christians by the antichrist is not the wrath of God. It is the wrath of satan

      Satan’s wrath is the great tribulation which is 3 and half years. Bible terms and phrases to describe this 3 and half year period are “time and times and the dividing of time”(Daniel 7:25), “time, times, and an half” (Daniel 12:7), “time, and times, and half a time” (Revelation 12:14), “a thousand two hundred and threescore days” (Revelation 11:3), “forty and two months” (Revelation 11:2 & Revelation 13:5).

      Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having GREAT WRATH, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

      Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon (satan) which gave power unto the beast (antichrist): and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

      Revelatioin 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

      Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

      The Lords wrath is termed “The Day Of The Lord” and its found in to many verses to list. The exact term (Day Of The Lord) starts in (Isaiah 2:12 and finishes in 2 Peter 3:10). The exact term is found in 29 verses and is mentioned 31 times in those verses. The Day Of The Lord is mentioned in many other ways. It is tied to the exact same signs in the sun, moon, and stars that Jesus Christ mentions in Matthew 24:29. You can compare these signs and see they are exactly the same as in (Rev. 6:12-13, 2 Peter 3:10, Acts 2:20, Matthew 24:29, Joel 2:31, Isaiah 25:8). The signs are the same as Jesus Christ describes in Matthew 24:29 described in different ways. Its a day of THE LORDS WRATH, A DAY OF DARKNESS AND IT HAPPENS IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION TIED TO THE SIGNS IN SUN, MOON AND STARS THAT JESUS DESCRIBES IN MATTHEW 24:29 and other verses I listed above. Study your bible (God’s word) to find out more.

      Some other important characteristics of The Day Of The Lord (The wrath of God) are that:

      It is against the wicked (2 Peter 3, Zephaniah 1)

      When it happens the LORD ALONE WILL BE EXALTED IN THAT DAY.(Isaiah 2:17)

      Isaiah 2:17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.

      Satan’s wrath however is just the OPPOSITE.

      It is against the righteous (Rev 13, Matt 24)

      The antichrist is exalted (2 Thess 2:4, Daniel 11:36)

      2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

      Daniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

      Gods wrath is what will bring satans wrath to an end. God will rescue His people from the antichrists persecution and begin “THE DAY OF THE LORD (The Lords Wrath)”.

      Paul says it like this when talking about Gods wrath ending the persecution of the church.

      2 Thess 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

      2 Thess 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

      2 Thess 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

      These verses help us understand what the early church fathers taught and were well aware of.

      That is the “RAPTURE” and “THE DAY OF THE LORD” were back to back events.

      We are told we are going to be raptured before GODS WRATH and THE DAY OF THE LORD IS GODS WRATH. It stands to reason that as soon as we are raptured the wrath would begin. This explains all the verses that tell Christians to look forward to and hasten THE DAY OF THE LORD (example 2 Peter 3:12) or as Luke puts it to lift up your heads (Luke 21:28). But in the same breath it is spoken of as punishment on the wicked.

      2 Thessalonians 1:6-10

      6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in His saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

      INTERESTING THAT PAUL SAYS THE REPAYING OF THE WICKED WILL HAPPEN ON THE SAME DAY OF THE CHURCHES GLORIFICATION. IN THAT DAY.

      Keep in mind that this is the beginning of a letter written by Paul to a church that he praises for their patient endurance for what seems to be brutal persecutions.

      He wrote this letter cause some of them thought or were taught that they were in the Day Of The Lord because of their torments. They thought the Lord had left them behind to be tormented.

      This shows that Paul was taught and then taught others that the rapture would initiate THE DAY OF THE LORD. As I have shown time and time again that the DAY OF THE LORD IS STRICTLY A POST TRIBULATION EVENT.

      The confusion is in the difference between satan’s wrath and the Lords wrath. The Lords wrath comes on satan and satan’s people after satan has persecuted Gods people, which climaxes in Great Tribulation, Great Affliction, Great Persecution.

      You may ask why I used other terms describing The Great Tribulation. Well because the Great Tribulation is described as persecution and affliction by Gospel writers. As I will now show you.

      Jesus defines tribulation as persecution the first time the word tribulation is used in the new testament.

      Matthew 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

      Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

      So we see great tribulation can also be seen as great persecution.

      Now Marks parallel verses to those verses describing tribulation/persecution. Mark describes it as affliction.

      Mark 4:17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word’s sake, immediately they are offended.

      Mark 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

      So we see that tribulation/persecution/affliction are the same thing.

      Great Tribulation, Great Persecution, & Great Affliction = same things.

      Now God does not afflict, persecute, or tribulate His children.

      Who do we know that persecutes, afflicts Gods children. Thats right satan. Satan’s wrath is the great tribulation, great persecution, great affliction on Gods people (it is 3 and half years). Then we are raptured initiating the DAY OF THE LORD (Gods wrath on those people who persecuted us).

      This is why the Churches of today are teaching the exact opposite of what the early church leaders taught. The Churches teach today that they will not see affliction, persecution, or tribulation.

      The early Church and others in the bible taught the exact opposite of what you are hearing from most preachers today. They taught it is great glory and honor to suffer affliction, persecution, tribulation for God.

      Hebrews 11:25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

      2 Corinthians 4:17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

      Romans 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

      Tribulation is also described as distress.

      Romans 12:12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

      Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

      2 Thess 1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

      Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

      Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

      2 Timothy 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

      Match what I am saying to the bible, you will learn much truth. :)

      • Rev_3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
        Rev_13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
        Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

  144. Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

    Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
    Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

  145. Debra says:

    Thank you sisters for the music videos! They were a blessing to me tonight! God Bless you all Brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus!

  146. Kim says:

    Not being political, investigative. The words The President spoke we’re taken out of a complete speech and out of context. We have had Catholics, Jewish, Seventh Day Adventist, Protestants, Jehovah Witness, Mormons (one ran for president) and we have yet had the whole country convert. The President does not decide who prays the opening prayer. Congress does. This would have gone unnoticed had people not decided to advertise it. All Muslims are not bad. Timothy McVeigh blew up a Federal building and killed innocent adults and children. No one complains when a White Republican, raised Catholic prays in Congress or anywhere else, and that is exactly what Timothy McVeigh was. We need to spread love. Not advertise words cut and pasted out of context to make a point. Like I spoke to someone else about this. Love, love, love. Spread God’s word and love. This does not frighten me. We are a free country, I chose to not become a Muslim nor follow their beliefs. I know you feel the same. But if this was truly investigated, which I did today, it was one day of many that different religions open Congress with prayer. The text the President is quoted as saying was taken out of a speech that he spoke about his own Christianity. Even I have been amazed that a whole country stops at the same time each day to pray and most of us don’t even make it to Sunday Service. It doesn’t make me want to be Muslim. I respect the good ones, and ignore the rest. Just like Christians and every other religion, people, species, etc. there are good and bad. I choose good. I also investigate everything like this, whether it be posted by Independents, Republicans or Democrats. I am trying (and not always doing a good job of) to love and be loved. To forgive and move on. To bring peace where there is unrest. This man was not picked by the President. Congress did. He prayed and is gone. Let us not give him more attention or time. Let us move on. Thanks for reading this. I am not expecting agreement, but it asks if this bothers, scares me, no. I have a peace that passeth understanding.

    • Teresa B says:

      Hi Kim, T McVeigh was connected to Islam thru Terry Nichols. Maybe you have time to research or read the book The Third Terrorist by Jayna Davis. There are many but she is considered the best There is much there Public not told.

      The only ‘good’ Muslim has converted to Christianity. The Pres is not the first to use them.

  147. Kim says:

    I forgot to add, I listened to the prayer. He spoke and prayed to God. Never once mentioned Mohamed. It sounded like any other prayer to God, about God and asking God to watch over our nation, and congress.

    • (2 Corinthians 11:13 KJV) For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

      (2 Corinthians 11:14 KJV) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

      (2 Corinthians 11:15 KJV) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

      He is representing a false god. The God of the bible has destroyed nations for this exact spiritual harlotry. BE AFRAID , BE VERY AFRAID. FEAR THE LORD. Our nation that was consecrated to the One True God in Heaven who sent His son to us to save us from our sins so that we may have eternal life. Is now being slowly done away with in favor of false gods who preform terrorism. I PRAY TO OUR FATHER IN HEAVING (THE ONE TRUE GOD) IN JESUS CHRISTS NAME, that you may see the truth. This is exactly how they will slip in. This is exactly how satan works appearing as an angel of light, using his ministers of darkness who transform themselves into ministers of light.

      YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH DANGER THIS NATION IS IN. NOT JUST FROM GOD BUT WHO WE HAVE ALLOWED TO INFILTRATE US TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL. Gods judgment most likely will be just that. He will allow us to have what we allowed and asked for by not standing up for Him.

      • D City That is a very good use of scripture to defend the truth. Deception is identified not so much by what is said but by what is left out. (Wow brother, that last statement just popped in my head and flowed out.) Hallelujah!
        I dont remember that Iman stating that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.
        “Beloved, do not believe every spirit but test the spirits, whether they be of God,because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By THIS you know the spirit of God, EVERY spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God and every spirit that DOES NOT CONFESS that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh IS NOT OF GOD” 1 John 4:1-3
        God makes it VERY SIMPLE simply because He loves us and does not want us to be deceived!

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Amen, D City! Great post, Brother. As Kevin said, Great use of the scriptures.

  148. Joseph says:

    Mos he still around or has he been laughed into exile?

  149. Teresa B says:

    Good Morning all, I found this and wanted to share
    We must believe that God in mystery of Prayer, has entrusted us with a force that can move the Heavenly world and can bring its power down to Earth.

    Andrew Murray

    Have a great day!

  150. STL says:

    Teresa B. If you think this web site is not your cup of tea! If we enter the Tribulation, life discussion will be worse than a few people argueing scriptures!

  151. STL says:

    Ron: Your coming up against a strong crowd, that believes in their faith that the Rapture occurs before the Tribulation.

  152. STL says:

    Teresa B. Do you know that the false prophet comes out of the Catholic Religion?

  153. STL says:

    TRACY: Not one person totally agrees with another person on Scriptures except Ron and DC.

    • Teresa B says:

      Hi STL, that’s weird to me. Like I said I have attended Baptist, Calvary Chapel and a Charasmatic Church. None of the sheep disagreed on Scripture, nor did the Pastors in their Sermons. If the Sermon was on Scripture I knew, msg comes in a diff way, but same meaning of the Word. I don’t know if I made sense, sorry Have a great day

    • Ron Murphy says:

      That should tell you something now shouldn’t it? Either we are the same person or we see the truth. That is the only way it can be.

  154. STL says:

    Ron: seem there is alot of Pastors on this web site lately?

    And all of them disagree with you!

    That the Rapture occurs before the Tribulation.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Yes, most pastors need to teach pre- trib, it pays the bills. I can tell the truth, it doesn’t make any difference to me.

      • Teresa B says:

        ok that’s what I mean, there is only one explanation, why is it open to interpretation ? Just asking

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Sorry Teresa, I’m not understanding you question.

          • Teresa B says:

            you say no Rapture? STL and others say yes?

            I read Thess and it says capture which is the same meaning according to those yesterday posting from original language meaning? I need to tell my coach to speed up!

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Teresa, I’m sure the rapture will happen, The question is when. Another Question that they bring is how many times. I say only once for His Saints as in Matt 24 and once at the end of the wrath of God to claim His kingdom, with us His army. I hope that helps a little. Sometimes it just takes repetition, to learn. Just stick with it, it will start shining through. God Bless your understanding.

          • Teresa B says:

            oky doky artichoky

        • jason e says:

          When it come down to it weather u r pretrib or post doest matter as much as loving one another and most of all loving the nonbeleaver and showing them the truth found in Jesus, personally im a mix of pre and post trib, I beleave that the rapture will happen pre trib, but that some of us will remain to lead and teach the new beleavers, i also beleave that is y god would have some of us suffer his rath, cause it wont be to suffer at all it will be an honor to be left to help bring souls to the kingdom during this horrible time

          • Teresa B says:

            Hi Jason, I understand what you are saying, but it does matter to me, it like mincing words or something in discussion I guess Have a good day

          • jason e says:

            All im saying is it should not be a point of devision among us, we should all have to common goals, those neing getting home to our farther and bringing as manny souls with us as we can, and those should not only be common goals bost our most important

          • Teresa B says:

            I certainly agree w you, but that’s what I don’t understand on here, because it is divided and none of that makes sense to me. To me they only way that happens is if people ‘learn’ the Bible on their own w/o no teaching, interpretation, and that’s not possible. But I am taking it all in and learning, thanks

          • jason e says:

            im still learning also, im a young christian but i think if we keep love in the forfront that we will be on the path God has set for us

          • Teresa B says:

            yupper, have a good one

  155. STL says:

    MW: Are you blaming me for all these pastors?

  156. Carolyn says:

    I heard him pray to God not Allah.. The prayer was respectful an sounded sincere.. Are you assuming by his looks that he can’t pray to God?? Is this a post to cause division in a world that is already divided.. I believe we should be praying for our country an our leaders.. There is already to much strife in the world.. Why add to it?? God’s Blessings…

  157. Matho says:

    who cares – you clowns revoted him in, what did you expect, he’s a proven liar who has faith in Allah.

  158. STL says:

    Teresa B. your not defending yourself in a court of law on this web site, you defending your faith in Jesus Christ.

    • Teresa B says:

      your statement to tracy says the same thing does it not? I am not giving up but I can’t say enough about the fact I have never been around Christians who argued about Scripture meaning it is all new to me. I also notice very few Pastors on here, so one would assume everyone is schooled by Teachers?

  159. STL says:

    Ron: You keep saying to Tracy that she does not get it, the problem is that you do not get it?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      God knows if I got it or not, that’s all that’s important to me, STL. You pretribbers, can work the rest of it out, if I’m a trouble maker or not, or if I’m confused or not. You see, I’m totally convinced what He has shown me . I don’t have any doubts, or else I would not be teaching it.

      • jason e says:

        When it come down to it weather u r pretrib or post doest matter as much as loving one another and most of all loving the nonbeleaver and showing them the truth found in Jesus, personally im a mix of pre and post trib, I beleave that the rapture will happen pre trib, but that some of us will remain to lead and teach the new beleavers, i also beleave that is y god would have some of us suffer his rath, cause it wont be to suffer at all it will be an honor to be left to help bring souls to the kingdom during this horrible time

        • God wants you to preach his word. God put it there to be preached and understood. God does not agree for you to disagree on his word. Its up to you to seek the truth. There is only one truth, Gods truth. :)

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Nothing is as important as salvation, We have many good man of God called to plow the fields. Here in American the soul is getting used heavily. Not all are called with the same calling. How dare me to see the truth and hold it from my brethren. What kind of love would that be.

          • It is always a blessing when we gather together to share God’s Those who attempt to stop those from sharing Gods word might want to have a little more Fear of the Lord. God never said because people don’t agree with you to stop sharing his word with everyone. We are all blessed when his words are shared. Praise be my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. :)

            Isaiah 40:8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            I love That passage , Brother. Well said.

          • Teresa B says:

            I believe its the approach and I have said that already over and over so not saying it again, aren’t you glad? lolove

          • jason e says:

            I still say bringing the lost to the kingdom and loving God and our fellow christians are the most important, Ive only been a christian for five years b4 that i was a convict a drug dealer and a very violent man, and God used some good ppl to show me the light by loving me unconditionally, since then i have been given a great job and a great opritunity as the man and his familyt that own the company i work for are muslim, he is one of the most loving men i have ever met and would give u the shirt of his back, he was just taught to beleave wrong. Now as i see it it is way more important to try to show these ppl the truth then it is to worry if the rapture will come pre or post trib
            I love u all just trying to say that we need to remember to love ppl to the light not to cause strife, hate, and discontent

          • Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
            Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
            Mat 10:36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
            Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
            Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
            Mat 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
            Mat 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

          • Brenda, I sense that you are one of God’s “Sweetness Oozers” arnt you? With a sweet and Precious spirit. Ron, when you get done with her can I have er? ;-) Just kidding, besides I am a celibate for God’s kingdom. My Maker is my husband, The Lord Of Hosts is His Name! HALLELUJAH!

          • Ron Murphy says:

            If I don’t make it in the pre trib rapture or died before the trib then you can have her, Brother. But Right now I hold the title to her. Thanks for making her smile though, God bless you. :)

          • Thank you, Kevin–
            I just love the Lord and His children. I love the truth.
            God loves us and wants us all to come to the knowledge of the truth.
            I just praise His holy name for giving me the ability to receive and share His love and truth!
            It’s there for everyone, if they would just be willing vessels.

            Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
            Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
            Jas 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
            Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
            Jas 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
            Jas 1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
            Jas 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
            Jas 1:9 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:
            Jas 1:10 But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.

          • Teresa B says:

            May God Bless you and keep you!

  160. Bob says:

    The first instance of the so called “secret rapture” theory was taught by Margaret McDonald in her book, The Restoration of Prophets and Apostles In the Catholic Apostolic Church.

  161. dssgateway says:

    what in in the world has any of these comments have to do with the title of this article ( This is the America Obama etc) can’t even remember it now, . This is just a bunch of right wing holier than thou nit wits talking about an author of a book on 911. PUUUU.

  162. Dean says:

    Dud, that is the Republican controlled House of Representatives. Apparently everything that goes wrong in the world is the fault of Obama…even if it is done by Republicans.

    • Teresa B says:

      Hi Dean, I have a something in my lesson plans for you
      . Get out pen and paper. Divide in middle. On left list the things the Pres has/is taking away or trying to. Then you write why that is a good thing.

      On right list what will happen when it is all gone, and country broke, you can do this

      Then write 20 x I WILL NOT BLAME BUSH

      That Regime is over done, and new one created, both BAD

  163. jason e says:

    I still say bringing the lost to the kingdom and loving God and our fellow christians are the most important, Ive only been a christian for five years b4 that i was a convict a drug dealer and a very violent man, and God used some good ppl to show me the light by loving me unconditionally, since then i have been given a great job and a great opritunity as the man and his familyt that own the company i work for are muslim, he is one of the most loving men i have ever met and would give u the shirt of his back, he was just taught to beleave wrong. Now as i see it it is way more important to try to show these ppl the truth then it is to worry if the rapture will come pre or post trib
    I love u all just trying to say that we need to remember to love ppl to the light not to cause strife, hate, and discontent

    • Bringing people to salvation is absolutely important. I was called to keep people unto salvation. :)

      (2 John 1:9 KJV) Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

      • Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
        Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
        Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
        Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

        • Mat_3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

          Mat_7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

  164. Lyn Leahz says:

    @Kevin–thank you so much, and God bless you. I appreciate your kindness and support, and I will surely pray for you..thanks for your prayers..I need them too!

  165. STL says:

    Ron: Yes, You and DC has the same opinion of scriptures but not the same truth of the scriptures. If as you said for the last 5 months, christians who believe in the Rapture before the Tribulation, are believing in Fairy Tales or Fables.

    But on this web site, show their are far more christians that believe in the Pre-Tribulation than your ideas of the Rapture.

    • All the more reason to be wary of it!
      Broad is the way…

      The prophets of Baal outnumbered Elijah, but that doesnt mean THEY were right. Im not doubting the salvation of pre tribbers. Please dont think Im comparing them to the prophets of Baal. Just pointing out a Divine principle. Most of my Christian friends are Pre Trib.
      Allow me to point to just one verse. (There are many that call Pre trib into Question) D City and Ron have pointed out many.
      This verse is, I believe quite clear. I would challenge NTEB or anyone else to point out any flaws to my understanding of it.
      In my humble opinion a pre “trib” rapture of the Church is a Pre “Cede” rapture of the Church.
      “For this we say to you BY THE WORD OF THE LORD that we who are alive and remain WILL BY NO MEANS PRECEDE those who sleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel (HALLELUJAH! Gives me goosebumps just thinking about it!!!!) (Sorry) and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ WILL RISE FIRST…” 1 Thess 4:15-16 A pre trib rapture is a pre Cede rapture and Paul here states emphatically (Even Invoking that he is declaring it “By the word of the Lord”) that we will BY NO MEANS PRECEDE the dead in Christ’s resurrection which is on “The Last day” In John 6:39 and 40 and 44 and 54 Jesus said the resurrection will be ON—THE—LAST—DAY!!! In John 11:23-25 Martha and Jesus have one of the most beautiful conversations EVER!!! Martha said to Him: “I know that he will rise again, in the resurrection AT THE LAST DAY.” Jesus didnt reproove Martha and say “No Martha, according to the majority of Bible Escotologists it is going to be 7 years or 3 1/2 years before the last day!” But then He says perhaps my favorite 4 word phrase in the Scriptures “I AM the Resurrection” THAT is the essential thing! HALLELUJAH! He goes on to say “…Believest thou this?” How about we start acting like it and kick that devil in the butt so hard it jars his horns loose! And we can do this with the power of His LOVE! We just have to lay our lives down for His and LIVE like we believe it.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Yes, STL, that is all correct except for the part of truth of coarse. I stand boldly on my faith, knowing my God is the Judge, and a righteous one at that. And yes we do scoff your false doctrine. How else will you see the truth?
      Jesus scoffed the Pharisees, also. You people justify your
      own selves, not by Christ, but by your righteousness. And then you turn it around and say we say it’s work and not grace. But I say this:

      Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

      WOW!!! what a wonderful verse for post tribbers!!!

      • Teresa B says:

        Ron you didn’t point out where STL is incorrect, please do for me?

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Ron: Yes, You and DC has the same opinion of scriptures but not the same truth of the scriptures. If as you said for the last 5 months, christians who believe in the Rapture before the Tribulation, are believing in Fairy Tales or Fables.
          Yes , Sister this is where STL was wrong in the bold letters. The rest I have said. It is scriptural, though.

          2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
          2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

          2Pe_1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

          • Teresa B says:

            oh my lord my head is spinning feel like the excorcist lady. Do you guys talk in circles? I read where you said no Rapture. I send link of Thess that I believe and you yes you don’t argue Scripture. Do you agree Rapture is before Trib or not. I am dizzy, and please explain in laymens terms not Scritpture, thanks a bunch!

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Sorry Teresa the post above was a copy of STL’s reply that you asked for, My bad . I should of stated that. The first paragraph was his statement not mine.

            Let me clarify my stance, I never waiver. The antichrist comes into power for 3 1/2 years and then somebody plugs him in the head, a mortal wound. But He survives the ordeal and comes back to life after dying, with so much power, and lying wonders. He puts himself up as God in the temple at Jerusalem. This happens because satan is in him and satan wants God’s set. That is the beginning of tribulation. It will last 3 1/2 years more to finish the week. After it is over with the rapture takes place, then God seals the 144,000 to protect them from the wrath that is being prepared at that time. Once the Jews are sealed and the saints are removed to heaven the wrath is poured out upon the earth and all the ungodly sinners. At the end of this wrath Jesus comes back to tread the wine press of that wrath, full of so much blood it with reach the horses bridle to the size of that winepress. This is the battle of Armageddon, Gog, Magog war. We as martyrs or survivors of the tribulation, or early church will be with Him and His angels.

          • Teresa B says:

            I am laughing, hope you are too! Thanks

    • We spoke of fables as the Lord words teach. Again its in the Lords word.

      I believe these are the verses your looking for or referring to. Glad I could help.

      (1 Timothy 1:4 KJV) Neither give heed to FABLES and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

      (1 Timothy 4:7 KJV) But refuse profane and old WIVES’ FABLES, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.

      (2 Timothy 4:4 KJV) And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto FABLES.

      (Titus 1:14 KJV) Not giving heed to JEWISH FABLES, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

      Ancient Jewish wedding traditions comes to mind here with this above verse.

      (2 Peter 1:16 KJV) For we have not followed CUNNINGLY DEVISED FABLES, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

      Again hope those verses help to better explain what your saying. God Bless STL :)

  166. Bruce says:

    This is a problem, they are trying to replace our Christan heritage with this ideology/cult, and his wild teachings, this must be denied at every step, never excepted as correct and workable for a people who left tyranny and made a home in a free land, fought for this freedom with their blood and made a nation, of Vast majority, Christian people.

  167. STL says:

    Ron: As you said, God show you that the Rapture is after the Tribulation.

    But “Son of Sam” though God told him about the truth in Scriptures, but he turned out to be wrong!

    • Teresa B says:

      God showed him he is right and everyone else is wrong?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      God has showed me more than that STL. I’m giving you scriptures you look at it in the way I’m representing it. If it is false the scripture will tell on me. In order to learn you MUST remove all that garbage out first, of false teaching. As long as you hold fast to it, you will be blinded by it. That is the truth!

    • Ron Murphy says:

      I’m not son of Sam , ST, are you?

  168. Lea says:

    I believe in a heavenly body but I DON’T BELIEVE IN A Muslim prayer being said to open Congress. This country and Congress was founded on Christian beliefs and should stay that way.

    • Teresa B says:

      I absolutely agree! No surprise but all over the world on blogs this discussion, more than half think the prayer had a peaceful msg, blah blah. He was not the first to be used in the WH. God won’t hear it much less bless it so why listen? Have an nice day

  169. STL says:

    Ron: Your wrong again in your conversation with Terresa B. most Pastors do not talk about Pre-Tribulation because it involves the Tribulation and it involves Revelation. These subjects scares the Christian In Name Only, and these Pastors looses their bread baskets.

    • Teresa B says:

      I have listened to my Pastors do Revelation, rarely but done, what do you mean?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Then if these Pastor won’t preach it, then don’t you think God’s going to send someone who will? Is it not the time?

      Mat 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
      Mat 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

      Do you notice the timing of this passage, when He returns? Don’t you find that fascinating? I sure do!

    • Ron Murphy says:

      They fear it and for good reason! The curses upon those that get it wrong are over whelming. If you preach Revelation you better watch your step. Their is no way I’d want to be in the shoes of those that get it wrong. Believing is one thing but teaching it, is another.

      Eze_13:20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.

      • Teresa B says:

        you crack me up, what the heck you talking about. Why do you say they may get it wrong and you don’t? hm

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Well I’m just answering STL’s reply, because he’s right in one aspect, most will not preach it. What I was referring to before was the likes of TV evangelists. Sorry for the confusion, Sister.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Let me clarify that question, Teresa. I say I don’t because I can see ever clearly what the word is saying. Simple as that. God’s precious gift. I lay more than my life on what I see, it’s my soul on the line here!

  170. STL says:

    DC: Continue to spread your words not God’s Word’s, all your proving that your a scoffer.

  171. STL says:

    DC and Ron: NTEB SAID, PRETRIBULATION WAS TAUGHT BY PAUL AND EVEN JOHN IN REV. 4:1-2.

    NOW SINCE YOUR USING THEIR WEB SITE TO VOICE YOUR OPINIONS OF SCRIPTURES.

    YOU BELIEVE THAT NTEB STAFF BELIEVE IN FAIRY TALES AND FABLES?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Well then, one of us is mistaken! Because, I say rapture, if I may, is after tribulation, if I may say that word, too. I’m sure it wasn’t used in the original. So therefore, STL, I’m also saying Paul and John preached it that way as well, not only them but also Peter. But that is nothing to argue over. It all boils down to who know the truth of scriptures. One thing I can said for sure about my God is that He will use whom He pleases, and that can be anyone, without respect of person. That is just the way my God is, praise His name.
      Those of you that look to titles, wealth, fame, or education, for your standard might be mislead, and probably will be. Why, I even know of once God used a donkey to speak to a prophet, and picked a young shepherd boy to bring down a giant, and made him king. He has used harlots, murders, and the such for His divine purpose. So just keep that in your thoughts He could even use little O me, and also you! His will be done! Amen.

      • Teresa B says:

        Hi may I ask if you were taught in Seminary, or where did you learn

        • Ron Murphy says:

          No authority on earth taught me. I turned to God for my understanding and only Him. I’ve been doing it since age 5 and going on 50 years now. I have never been to a seminary in my life or to any Christian schools. I’m just a poor man, but rich in faith, having received the knowledge of God in much faith in the verse, ask and it shall be given. I don’t believe in prosperity to be Godliness. I asked God at age twelve for the understanding of Revelation. It’s funny how God answers prayers of children. He is my everything. I fully trust Him. I also fear Him, greatly. But I also know He is so merciful. I’m glad He is. I’m not worthy of Him. Blessed be His name.

      • Teresa B says:

        this is what I believe

        That word “caught up together” comes from the
        Greek word harpazo. It literally means “to snatch out” or “to seize.” It’s like a thief grabbing a purse. He seizes it. The word Rapture comes from the Latin Vulgate (which is the Latin Bible) rendering of raptus from which we get the popular term Rapture. So if you were reading your Latin Bible and you got down to verse 17 you would see raptus, rapture. That’s where the Bible teaches the Rapture. It means we have been snatched out; we’ve been caught up by a mighty act of power by the Lord. This is where the Bible teaches the Rapture of all believers. “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore, comfort one another with these words.”

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Yes , Sister, I also don’t Condemn the word as others on here do. It still means the gathering of the harvest. Anyone that argues will that is not Biblically sound.

          Now some good tribulation, and then wrath of God verses:
          2Th 1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
          2Th 1:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
          2Th 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
          2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
          2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

          2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
          2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
          2Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
          2Th 1:12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

  172. STL says:

    Everyone Obama can replace Jesus as our God, with anyone he desires, but it will be short lived!

  173. STL says:

    Teresa B. How many pastors you listen to?

    1 Cor. 2:5- that your faith should not rest on the wisdom of men but on the power of God!

    Pastors do make mistakes?

    • Teresa B says:

      Not to worry, they are tried and true Preachers speaking from the Word of God KJ and NKJ which is fine for me. I don’t believe I ever said my faith was anywhere but the Lord, but people keep insinuating that. not true

    • STL are you going to read or respond to my post to you @ ? It starts out “All the more reason to be wary of it.”

  174. amari says:

    ok not once did i hear that man say the word ALLAH. i think u are looking far to closely on this subject… He says GOD not ALLAH. i mean if im wrong let me know.

    • Teresa B says:

      Hi, with all due respect, it doesn’t matter. He is Islam Religion and his prayers mean nothing. God does not answer prayers from non Christians. He does not hear them and neither do I. Have a good rest of the day

    • If you are realy fast, before the #s change as more are posted refer to #s 506 and 507 to D Cities and my posts regarding deception and recognizing it. You ARE wrong and those posts will let you know the danger. This is a dark and deceptive age and we need to learn to recognize truth from deception.

  175. STL says:

    Ron: Don’t you think its plain rude of you, to tell NTEB Staff their wrong? LOL

    Did not your parents teach you to respect others property, as this web site is NTEB, as they teach and believe in the Pre-Tribulation.

    • Teresa B says:

      well I can tell you no. I say that because they have addressed me rudely I might add, and I asked for proof and did not get answer. Did they come back to address him, cant remember or see . Have an nice evening

    • Ron Murphy says:

      STL, NTEB made a statement some time ago, he is strong in his faith of pretrib rapture doctrine. But he also made the statement to be ready no matter what comes. then he makes the statement that we post tribbers are welcome to post here. I respect that of Him. He knows God’s will be done. I respect that. If anyone one this post has ever disrespected him, it was you, calling him out to band us or come into arguments with us. Did not your parents teach you? God bless you, Sir. I hope you are not back sliding again.

  176. STL says:

    Ron: please explain to others when the unrighteous ones end up in hell, they also sentence their soul to hell also, and this soul is a body within our body. And what the soul want’s, to be allowed to go to heaven. So basically we making our souls suffer for no reason.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      STL, I’m not really understanding your question. But I think I know what your point is and what you’re getting at. You what me to go into this controversial subject to hang myself real good. Okay, I’ll give what you ask and straight from the Bible.
      To begin with hell is the grave a place of storage for the soul, that is unless you are a martyr for faith in God, then the soul is stored under the altar in heaven.

      Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

      Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
      As God said here the first resurrection is the one the was under the altar in heaven and those that was added to it. This includes the tribulation saints at the resurrection and the rapture of the living left that endured trib.

      Mar_13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

      The rest of the dead?
      Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

      After the millennium reign, which was made for the martyrs and Christ to reign upon the earth as Kings and Priest, comes the second resurrection of the dead both saint and sinner to be judge.

      Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
      Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life:, and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
      Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
      Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
      Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

        Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

        Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

  177. NOT ONLY DID PAUL TEACH A POST TRIB RAPTURE, BUT SO DID PETER, JOEL, ISAIAH, JESUS CHRIST, MATTHEW, MARK, LUKE, JOHN.

    The pre-tribulation rapture theory has become the most prevalent view in mainstream Christianity of Today.

    But was this this teaching actually embraced by the 1st century church?

    LETS TAKE A LOOK!!!!

    The Apostle Peter writes to the early church about an event known as the day of the Lord.

    (2 Peter 3:10 KJV)
    But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;………..

    BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER LETS FIND OUT WHAT THE DAY OF THE LORD IS USING SCRIPTURE (LET SCRIPTURE DEFINE SCRIPTURE).

    The Day of the Lord is described in great detail all throughout God’s Word.

    (Isaiah 13:9 KJV)
    Behold, the day of the LORD cometh,…………

    (Isaiah 13:10 KJV)
    For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

    (Joel 2:31 KJV)
    The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

    (Joel 3:14 KJV)
    Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for
    the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.

    (Joel 3:15 KJV)
    The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their
    shining.

    DO YOU SEE THE CORRELATION BETWEEN THESE VERSES??????

    The correlation is in the events in the sun, moon, and stars.

    Jesus established the time line for the day of the Lord using the same celestial
    events in Matthew 24.

    (Matthew 24:29 KJV)
    Immediately after the tribulation
    of those days shall the sun be
    darkened,
    and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

    So using scripture to define scripture we can see the Day Of The Lord is
    strickly a POST TRIBULATION EVENT!

    Continuing on……….back to 2 Peter 3

    (2 Peter 3:10 KJV)
    But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the
    heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with
    fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    (2 Peter 3:11 KJV)
    Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

    (2 Peter 3:12 KJV)
    Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,
    wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

    Peter’s rhetorical question to the early church was:

    Knowing then, that this particular day of the Lord that you so earnestly
    LOOK FOR AS A CHURCH will come with such intensity, how then should you be conducting yourselves presently?

    Again the Day Of The Lord is strictly a post tribulation event!!!

    So Peter made it extremely clear that the early infant church was actually watching for this particular day:

    AND NOT A PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE

    The pre-tribulation rapture theory directly conflicts with the views held by the
    disciples and the 1st century church!

    Paul speaking of end times wrote:

    (2 Thessalonians 2:15 KJV)
    Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been
    taught,
    whether by word, or our epistle.

    It is clear the early infant church, led by the disciples held to a post-
    tribulation gathering of the church.

    WILL YOU HOLD FAST TO THE TRADITIONS HELD BY OUR EARLY BROTHERS AND SISTERS????

    God Bless You All :)

    ************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

    Was paul teaching a rapture tied with day of the Lord?

    LETS SEE!!!

    (1 Thessalonians 4:15 KJV)
    For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord SHALL NOT prevent them which are asleep.

    (1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV)
    For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

    (1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJV)
    Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    (1 Thessalonians 4:18 KJV)
    Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

    (1 Thessalonians 5:1 KJV)
    But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

    (1 Thessalonians 5:2 KJV)
    For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

    (2 Thessalonians 2:1 KJV)
    Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

    (2 Thessalonians 2:2 KJV)
    That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

    (2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJV)
    Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

  178. Paul taught a post tribulation rapture event and not a pre tribulation one.

    (1 Thessalonians 5:2 KJV)
    For yourselves know perfectly that THE DAY OF THE LORD so cometh as a thief in the night.

  179. morgan rowe says:

    Hey D City, theres 2 resurrections not one, the first concerns the wise virgins and the second concerns the foolish virgins.

  180. Sounds like any non-religion specific prayer i have ever heard from a chaplain. Nothing to see here, folks! Move it along.

  181. Lets help this study along shall we.

    Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

    From these verses we notice that this is the first resurrection. Also from theses verses we see that this first resurrection includes believers who are martyred during the Great Tribulation. So we can see clearly that the first resurrection does not take place until after the Great Tribulation. Hmmmm interesting. Since Paul says we will not prevent those which are asleep (dead in Christ). Lets look at what Paul says.

    1 Thess 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord SHALL NOT PREVENT THEM WHICH ARE ASLEEP.

    1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise FIRST:

    1 Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up TOGETHER with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    Interesting it says the dead rise first and we which are alive get caught up TOGETHER WITH THE DEAD IN CHRIST.

    Thats interesting the famous rapture verses from Paul show that we will not go before those who are dead (asleep) in Christ. That the dead in Christ will be raised up FIRST then we which are alive and remain will be caught up TOGETHER WITH THE DEAD IN CHRIST. IN Revelation 20:4-5 it says this is the first resurrection and it includes those who were martyred (died in Christ) during the GREAT TRIBULATION. Gods word is saying there is absolutely no way the rapture can occur before those who die during the GREAT TRIBULATION. Hmmmmm

    I wonder how the rapture could possibly be before the Great Tribulation? O I see now. Its not before the Great Tribulation. Its Immediately after Just as our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ said it would be.

    I am so glad I have chosen to listen to Jesus Christ. PRAISE BE HIS GLORIOUS NAME JESUS CHRIST, THE WORD OF GOD. Amen

    • Ron Murphy says:

      D City , If NTEB can not see that, then he is blind as a bat. If people don’t see it as easy as you have shown it here then they probably will never see it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  182. (1 Corinthians 15:23 KJV) But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s AT HIS COMING.

    (Proverbs 25:2 KJV) It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

    • Hey Ilona Ron likes to get into specifics on the 144,000 remnant. So I will let him explain those more to you. He enjoys discussing that part of scripture very much. I will share with you the rest and some about 144,000 as well. Thank you for asking. Glad to help.

      There will be no saints dead or alive on earth in mortal bodies after the 1st resurrection.

      This makes them unable to re-populate:

      Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

      So if the saints are resurrected and the wicked destroyed, who then is left?

      There will be a remnant of Jew and Gentile that will not partake in the rapture but will be saved (protected) from the Day Of The Lord and ushered into the millennial kingdom. These are the people Jesus Christ and his saints will reign over for the millennial kingdom period 1000 years.

      The saved remnant will recognize Christ as the true messiah at his second coming and immediately repent after the rapture of the saints.

      WELL DCITY WHERE ARE THE SCRIPTURES FOR THIS NONE SENSE YOUR SPEWING OUT!!!!

      I will show you and its not none sense. :)

      Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

      Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son,………….

      Zechariah 12:11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

      READ ZECHARIAH 12:10-14

      THIS IS ABOUT THE 144,000 these verses!!

      Zechariah 12:13
      The family of the house of David apart;……
      The family of the house of Nathan apart;………
      The family of the house of Levi apart;………
      The family of the house of Shimei apart,……..

      Zechariah 12:14 All the families that remain……

      Zechariah 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

      Amos 9:8 Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the LORD.

      Zephaniah 3:13 The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.

      AGAIN AFTER THE RAPTURE!!!

      Joel 2:11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great:…….. for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

      This is the rapture of the saints. Rapture at Day Of The Lord. :)

      LOOK WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE VERY NEXT VERSE OF JOEL:

      Joel 2:12 Therefore also now, (AFTER RAPTURE) saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:

      JoeL 2:13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.

      Zechariah 14:4 And his feet (Jesus Christ’s) shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem……..

      Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

      This same short repentance period will also include the Gentiles (non-jewish)

      Zephaniah 2:3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD’S anger.

      Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

      Isaiah 60:14 The sons (Gentile remnant) also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

      Micah 7:18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

      AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST ONE OF MY FAVORITE VERSES IN SCRIPTURE.

      Habakkuk 3:2 O LORD, I have heard thy speech, and was afraid: O LORD, revive thy work in the midst of the years, in the midst of the years make known; in wrath remember mercy.

      Notice how it says “O Lord, I have heard thy speech AND WAS AFRAID”!!!!!!

      Psalms 112:1 Praise ye the LORD. BLESSED IS THE MAN THAT FEARETH THE LORD, that delighteth greatly in his commandments.

      Just another scriptural reason I teach the blessings that come with FEAR OF THE LORD.

      Hope this helps you. God Bless. :)

  183. Ilona says:

    Dear Ron and D City, Can you explain to me the 144,000? You stated that they will be the ones to populate the earth during the millennium but I always thought they were part of the resurrected souls who were clothed in white robes. Where can I find this info in the Bible?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Hi, Ilona! Glad you asked.

      Here we see the Rapture of all saints after the tribulation, it concurs with Matthew 24:29-31 :

      Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

      Keep in mind this is the resurrection first and the rapture just after. And then we see the sealing of the 144000 after this resurrection. They are seal to protect them from God’s wrath as they will be here to live through it. The verses below prove this.

      Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Now the next verses!

      Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
      Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
      Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
      Now these 4 angels are waiting on the sound of the trumpets from the 7 angels to sound. It is their job to hurt the earth with the wrath of God. The 144K are sealed first before that can happen. I won’t go into detail of the 144k they are written in chapter 7. Let’s look at the wrath of God being poured out and were the 144k are. Rev. 7:9 is referring to the ones raptured at the sixth seal, just for clarification. They came out of tribulation, Rev.7:14.

      Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
      Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

      So we see the 144000 as being the only ones sealed upon the earth, here in the middle of the wrath of God. And this plague can not hurt them, just as in the Passover in Egypt with Moses.
      Now to better verify this lets look at the other reference to this remnant(144000).

      Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.
      Here we see the 144k standing with Jesus, Because they have excepted him at that that point. They are in Jerusalem on mount Zion, were the two witnesses have feed them to the point of knowing the truth and realizing they are guilty of rejecting the true son of God.

      Rev 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
      Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
      Two great points to be made here. One is, this is the same group on the sea of glass:

      Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
      Rev 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

      The other point is, this is actually seen just after the rapture. Because of what was seen in Rev. 6:12-17 & Rev. 7:1-3 that we already went over, here. This all takes place just before the wrath of God is poured out.
      These in heaven was doing the singing, singing a song that on the 144000 could learn, on the earth, on mount Zion, in other words they shared the song.

      Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
      These From this time forward walk with Jesus were ever He leads them. He is their Shepherd from that time. They are the first fruits of the Kingdom age, because of God’s promise to Abraham, to give him a remnant to inherit the Land of Canaan. Beulah land! They will live as they do now among the other nations, but with their King on the throne, King Jesus! And live with all the blessings of the kingdom age, spoken by the prophets of old. All of Israel will be saved proclaims God. These are they the remnant(144k). That is why God choose them to be undefiled with women, and being virgins. They will marry and repopulated the kingdom in this Millennium age.
      This all Follows out until the wrath of God is ready. Scripture goes back at about Rev. 14:11 and then John goes into detail of the rapture and then the wrath closely following the rapture in the rest of the chapter. The wrath is not told in detail until chapter Rev. 16, even though it is described somewhat in Rev. 14:17-20.

      • Ilona says:

        Dear Ron and D City Wow, I got “teary eyed” reading about the remnant(144K). This is a lot to take in, I’m going to print out both of your answers and study the scripture references. I thank God for giving you both knowledge in His Word and for sharing it with others :) God bless you both.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          God Bless you, Ilona. I’t good to see our work being used. I believe it will richly increase your faith. Thank you for your reply.

          • Thank you Ilona God Bless you too. Those verses are powerful yes. THE LORDS MERCY IS WONDERFUL AND GREAT. THE LORD DELIGHTS IN MERCY. They are some extremely powerful and wonderful verses for sure.

            May The Lord bring you much wisdom and insight while in your studies. Each time a new jewel is revealed to us in scripture its a great feeling. I know it well. Ever since God gifted me with that first jewel of discovery I have been unable to set HIS WORD down. God Bless Again :)

  184. STL says:

    Teresa B. Why did you come to NTEB Web Site in the first place, because NTEB Staff believes that the Rapture comes before Jacob’s Trouble or Tribulation?

    Only a few comes on this web site to cause confusion, as Ron and DC. I was taught to respect others from my parents, and these two are disrespecting NTEB web site.

  185. STL says:

    Teresa B.
    The only reason DC and Ron comes to this web site, because as FACEBOOK or YOUTUBE, no one listens to them. So NTEB is a Pre-Tribulation web site. Why else does Ron or DC comes to the NTEB Web Site as these two are Post-Tribulation, to cause confusion to others.

    • Someone may have prayed to the Lord for help in understanding scripture that is from on this site STL. Myself and Ron might be the Lords way of answering someones prayer. You should not be so quick to condemn.

      (Hebrews 13:2 KJV) Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

      Anytime you interfere with Gods word being shared with others its never good in the Lords eyes.

    • Teresa B says:

      Hi did not see this first, good question. I did not research site first should have. Maybe that’s why when I questioned something the Editor wrote and said I needed to be reeducated in the Bible. I asked back to show me, and on 2 dif things they do not reply, rude to me to address someone down and not reply

  186. STL says:

    Teresa B. Why doesn’t Ron or DC set up there own web site for Post. Tribbers?

    No, they come here to cause Confusion!

    • Teresa B says:

      Hi STL Not sure but am sure this is not the place for me I see nothing but anger at times, judgement and a sort of disrespect. I would rather share the goodness of the Lord, share the Psalms, John, Isaiah , Jeremiah to name a few. I would rather have civil discussions not disagreement about how a verse interpreted. That’s all, it has nothing to do w people personally just a diff style. You have a great day, carry on

  187. There are many more scriptures Ilona as well about all this. Remember its a lot to absorb all at once. If you look over those scriptures I gave and the ones Ron will give you and study them you will notice key phrases used in different areas of scripture. As you study this it will all start to come together. It was an amazing journey for me as I discovered the hidden treasures on the Lords word.

    (Proverbs 25:2 KJV) It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

    Also remember there are people who will try to say the scriptures are in exact order. This is far from true. They are not in the exact order and there is a reason for this. The Lord wants us (His children) to study his words. In doing so these things are revealed to us.

    Remember when you study the Lords word this verse helps in understanding.

    (Isaiah 28:10 KJV) For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

    (Matthew 11:25 KJV) At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

  188. Mary says:

    I thought that prayer was really nice.

    • Teresa B says:

      Hi Mary,, I think for me as a follower oft he Lord it insults me anyone other than a Christian is Praying. AS I say, God does not hear those prayers so they are useless for us. It has nothing to do w nice. Maya Angelou the Poet writes nice things, she still is not a follower of the One True God, but that is just me. you have a great day!

  189. STL says:

    Ron: In your conversation with Teresa B, you continue say, I’m wrong in my belief, but I have the same belief as NTEB Staff has, as we believe that the Rapture ( 1st Thess. 4: 14-18) comes before the Tribulation.

    Teresa B, if I’m wrong, then explain these scriptures to me!

    Romans 5:9- Much more then, having now been justified by His blood we shall be saved from the wrath of God thriugh Him.

    Ron and DC want you to believe that the 1st half of the Trib ulation is Satan wrath and the 2nd half, is God’s wrath.

    But we know God is in total control of this pending Tribulation, and He’s bringing this Tribulation on all the unrighteous ones disprove of God.

    1st Thess.1: 10 And wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, “who will delivers us from the wrath to come.

    Now, Paul is describing a wrath is coming, which is the entire 7 year Tribulation period.

    Then in 1 st Thess. 5: 9- For God has not destined us for wrath , but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Then in Rev. 3: 10- you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing,

    that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell upon the earth.

    He speaking of His anger against the unrighteous ones who do not believe in God, but for the christians who has faith in Jesus Christ to deliver them from this period of 7 years of this Tribulation, not having to be tested any longer.

    Several other points difference between Pre and Post Tribulation.

    Let’s look at 1st Thess. 4: 16-17, For the Lords Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God

    and the dead in Christ shall rise first.

    Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, thus we will be with Him forever.

    Now, Post-Tribbers, side step these verses, as there are 2 different event happening.

    The dead rises first, then the living christians risers just after them.

    Now, in Rev. 20:4 Speaks of the ones who been beheaded and are waiting to ascend to heaven.

    All these people are dead!

    Do you see any living one going up in the air to meet Jesus?

    Heres another point.

    If we already are in the air and going to heaven to be with Him forever, then why, we need to wait in Rev. 20:4 to go up again?

    These are the ones who became Christians in the Tribulation, and suffered death for the belief in Jesus Christ.

    But Ron And DC calls this as Fairly Tales or Fables.

    Look at 2 nd Cor. 15: 51-52 Behold I tell you a mystery, we shall not all sheep, but we shall all be changed,

    in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet for the trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised imperishable and we shall be changed.

    It saying, not all dies before their Raptured to heaven and our current bodies need to be changed so we are allowed to enter heaven in a new body, this body is full of sin.

    Now, in the 2nd Coming of Christ he sets his feet on Mt. Olives, but in the Rapture He’s in the air, not on earth.

    You can judge for yourself from these scriptures.

    • Teresa B says:

      STL not even going there, read the site I Sent from World Events/Russia and change the subject. This argument/interpretation will go on forever, see y a

    • Ron Murphy says:

      No, Stl, we have never said that 1st half is satan’s and 2nd half God’s. We are saying first have of week is antichrist coming to power and second half is tribulation. Now even Jesus said the wrath comes after tribulation and so did Paul. Now why are you trying to change that. And why is it you reject that simple truth. You should be checking yourself, you just might need help with it. Study for yourself, if you get confused then ask, if you can overcome your pride. Otherwise you might just be damming yourself, with all the curses of:

      Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
      Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      STL, you can’t even discern D City and I. How can anyone listen to you about the word of God, that is hidden from most?

  190. STL says:

    MORGAN: AMEN!

  191. STL says:

    TERESA B: I’m not going to change the subject until Ron and DC change the subject. So answer my post 662! Your the one who was looking for answers, now, you want me to drop the subject, it too much for you?

    • Teresa B says:

      Well first off I was unaware the 2 of them were in charge. I thought people were free to comment or post something. Maybe that’s why no one ever comments on my posts of outside things. So be it. I am not sure what you want me to say here as I believe Thess 4 Scripture, simple and I do not argue or try to explain it like the rest is all, I apologize if I insulted you have a great wknd

      • Ron Murphy says:

        In Charge? You yourself quoted:

        I thought people were free to comment or post something.
        Now you change that for us. We are not in charge here. We only post something.

        We all need more Patience with one another, and not be so easily puffed up. The word of God cuts and it hurts. It’s up to us how it affects us. But it will divide. We can grow stronger or it can tare us loose. But that choice is in our hands.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Sorry , Teresa, I took you wrong on that one, That is a problem with these blogs. it’s so easy to do that. Forgive me again. God bless you, Sister.

        • Teresa B says:

          Hi Ron no problem I don’t get mad I get even. Don’t go postal that’s a joke. Not in my bones to be angered, confused, yes! have a nice eve

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Thank you, Sister. The sign of a true Christian. God bless you. Sometimes we come across being a little harsh , but it’s not intentional. We as Christians should never direct a scripture at any one individual every, useless we are talking to that person. I don’t think we have done that. Jesus said peace I give unto you, not as the world gives, I give unto you. Let’s learn to tolerate one another in that promise, we all being His children.

          • Teresa B says:

            nice evening here in Colorado, to God be the Glory as I don’t do heat! Thanks Blessings and have a nice evening

  192. STL says:

    Ron: You said, it a christian site, not a muslim site, move it along! Actually its a Pre Tribulation site, not a Post Tribulation site, so maybe you need to move it along! LOL

    • Ron Murphy says:

      LOL! Why don’t you tell that Muslim that, like I did. Do you compare me with that? And just say then, If We are right, then what are you doing, Sir. Have you not come against the truth and how will God judge you. Have you ever considered. Careful, Brother this is serious business. Please!

  193. STL says:

    Ron: Now, you said there is 2 resurrections, but there are (after) in the Tribulation.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      That has always been my stance. STL Two Resurrections , and only two not more or parts thereof. One before the wrath of God after trib, and one after the millennium reign.

  194. STL says:

    DC: I’m not condemning anyone, they have the right to believe which they choose. But this is a Pre-Tribulation web site, not a Post Tribulation web site, so on this web site your only causing confusion. And Jesus calls this as scoffers!

    • 2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
      2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

      Interpretation of these scoffer verses is needed. One this is talking about people walking after their own lusts. Well clearly thats not me and Ron as we are in Gods word night and day studying it and on here posting it.

      Secondly we are not teaching where is his coming but when and its exactly when our LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST SAID CLEARLY. IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION.

      Thirdly we are teaching people to endure to the end which is to be prepared. These verses are talking about people who are mocking Jesus’s Coming and not being prepared.

      We are teaching people that he is coming and when and what we need to do to be prepared. God Bless You STL


  195. STL:

    Romans 5:9- Much more then, having now been justified by His blood we shall be saved from the wrath of God thriugh Him.

    Firstly take note of the verse you posted and what it clearly says STL. No where does it say your pulled out before the Great Tribulation either.

    The wrath your saved from is the DAY OF THE LORDS WRATH. a study on the Day Of The Lord is needed for you STL, we have pointed you in the direction, the rest is up to you. The Lords wrath is not satan’s wrath as we have shown over and over again.


    STL:

    Ron and DC want you to believe that the 1st half of the Trib ulation is Satan wrath and the 2nd half, is God’s wrath.

    Not what we said at all. Satans (devils) wrath is the great tribulation as seen in Revelation 12:12.

    Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

    The Lords wrath is at THE DAY OF THE LORD which is tied to the signs in sun, moon, and stars mentioned in Matthew 24:29, Joel 2, Isaiah 25:8 and on, Revelation 6:12 and many other places in scripture. The Lords wrath comes Immediately after the tribulation.


    STL:

    But we know God is in total control of this pending Tribulation, and He’s bringing this Tribulation on all the unrighteous ones disprove of God.

    God is in control of everything, nothing happens unless God allows it to happen. The great tribulation is 3 and half years not 7. The great tribulation is satans wrath as seen in Revelation 12:12.

    God allows satan to do what he is going to do you us as seen in this verse.

    (Revelation 6:10 KJV) And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

    (Revelation 6:11 KJV) And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that SHOULD BE KILLED as they were, should be fulfilled.

    Again God allows satan and his wicked people here on earth to do what they will to his children so that what is written should be fulfilled.


    STL:

    1st Thess.1: 10 And wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, “who will delivers us from the wrath to come.

    Once again as I have shown the The Day Of The Lords Wrath comes at the end of the great tribulation.


    STL:

    Now, Paul is describing a wrath is coming, which is the entire 7 year Tribulation period.

    The wrath we are spared from is THE DAY OF THE LORDS WRATH. Again you need to study on the Day Of The Lord and the signs in sun, moon, and stars associated with it. It comes immediately after the tribulation as described by Jesus Christ in Matthew 24:29.

    Only 3 and half years of Daniels 70 week is GREAT TRIBULATION as we have shown over and over again and which you need to study on. Gods word does not mention a 7 year tribulation period at all whatsoever. Gods word mentions the 70th week which is a 7 year period only which the last 3 and half years of it are GREAT TRIBULATION.

    You can study this yourself in these verses:

    Bible terms and phrases to describe this 3 and half year GREAT TRIBULATION period are “time and times and the dividing of time”(Daniel 7:25), “time, times, and an half” (Daniel 12:7), “time, and times, and half a time” (Revelation 12:14), “a thousand two hundred and threescore days” (Revelation 11:3), “forty and two months” (Revelation 11:2 & Revelation 13:5).


    STL:

    Then in 1 st Thess. 5: 9- For God has not destined us for wrath , but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    Then in Rev. 3: 10- you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing,
    that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell upon the earth.
    He speaking of His anger against the unrighteous ones who do not believe in God, but for the christians who has faith in Jesus Christ to deliver them from this period of 7 years of this Tribulation, not having to be tested any longer.

    Study on the DAY OF THE LORD. These issues you are having are all resolved when you study the DAY OF THE LORDS WRATH AND THE SIGNS ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND WHEN THE DAY OF THE LORD OCCURS.

    We are spared from the Lords wrath. That comes at the Day of the Lord which is after the great tribulation.


    STL:

    Let’s look at 1st Thess. 4: 16-17, For the Lords Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God
    and the dead in Christ shall rise first.
    Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, thus we will be with Him forever.
    Now, Post-Tribbers, side step these verses, as there are 2 different event happening.
    The dead rises first, then the living christians risers just after them.

    No side stepping anything STL. The verses are clear. You said dead rise first and Christians rise with them.

    The verses say THE DEAD RISE FIRST THEN WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN ARE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER with them

    Only one happening , it happens TOGETHER.

    1 Thess 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

    1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

    1 Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up TOGETHER WITH THEM in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


    STL:

    Now, in Rev. 20:4 Speaks of the ones who been beheaded and are waiting to ascend to heaven.
    All these people are dead!
    Do you see any living one going up in the air to meet Jesus?

    Revelation 20:4-5 speaks of people who died in Christ. It speaks of those who died in the great tribulation. If no rapture can take place until the dead in Christ who must go first according to Paul in 1 Thess 4:15-17 and Revelation 20:4-5 state their are people still dieing in Christ in the Great Tribulation and Rev. 20:5 states its the first resurrection. The its 100% clear no rapture will take place until after the tribulation. As I have clearly showed in a previous comment above. :)

    This is more then enough for you to study to show thyself approved. God Bless Your In My Prayers For A Great Study With The Lord.

  196. STL says:

    DC: YOUR SAYING YOUR HEARING GOD TELL YOU TO CAUSE CONFUSION ON THIS NTEB WEB SITE, IS YOUR GOD SATAN? BECAUSE JESUS WOULD NOT DO, WHAT YOU BEEN DOING ON THIS WEB SITE, TO OTHER CHRISTIAN TELLING THEY FOLLOW AFTER FAIRLY TALES AND FABLES.

    REALLY I BELIEVE YOU NEED SOME PSYCHOLOGICAL DRUGS!

    • (2 Timothy 2:16 KJV) But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

      • STL says:

        DC: Your so proud of yourself, that your eyes a blinded, your the one who babbles in your quotes of scriptures, pushing them down out throats.

        It would be nice we all talk to each other about the love Jesus shows to us, but your always defending your pride.

        I’m always sorry if I hurt anyones feelings, and each night I ask Jesus forgiveness of my sins, I would not considered that ungodliness.

        As of Vain Babblling, you should listen to your self?

        I rather talk about current events than relates to Prophecies, but I know with your pride you’ll have something to say we are believing incorrectly!

        • Ron Murphy says:

          STL, it’s vain babbling to you because you don’t have ears to hears. Just like the Pharisees did to Jesus, shut His words out. We don’t ask you to believe us, rather believe in the Bible and look at what we are saying about it.
          Paul made it clean how the last days would be:

          2Ti_4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

  197. christine says:

    You can hear Rabbi Cahn explain 9:11 on YouTube. The book is good but the videos are better. You might also be interested in Pastor Mark’s blood moon teachings, also on YouTube. Or visit El Shaddai (God Almighty) Ministries where there is a vast wealth of very good information. Their Sabbath services are also located on YouTube. The four blood moons and total solar eclipse are coming up in 2014/15. The moon will turn to blood and the sun will be darkened before the great and terrible day of the Lord.

  198. Does he tell WHO pulled off 9-11?

  199. Ron Murphy says:

    When one can’t accept the truth, they lash out at it. This causes those that deliver the word to go on the offensive. They must you see, to stand on the truth. That’s why so many are killed for their testimony. This Truth we teach is not given in malice, but rather love. Because we can see so clearly we want others to see it to. We realize the Important of seeing the truth, and we strive for it. God’s word is the most important thing you can possess, even than the air you breathe, It is the giver of life after all. We that can see it love it even greater! that’s why we hope to share it. It is good, try it, you will live forever!

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Act_6:9 Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen.
      Act_7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

  200. STL says:

    Ron: Gove told me through Scriptures to love everyone even my enemies, so I love Christians, Atheiest, Unrighteous, Muslims and so on, I guess you have trouble loving your enemies?

    As you said, Muslims move on!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  201. STL says:

    Ron: About judging me, thats between I and God, not you!

  202. STL says:

    DC: Continue typing your strange posts, but I’ll never believe like you want others to follow after you, you sound like the Pastor at Waco, Tx.

    I believe the catching away will occur before the Tribulation and the Magog War will be in the first days of the Tribulation.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      You have every right to believe that STL. You, also have every right to live your life the way you desire. It’s God given. We are not trying to over rule God. Take our words or leave them, very simple. God help you, and bless you. I love you, Brother.

  203. STL says:

    Ron: You continue to justify your comments their directly from God and time is short. We are personality responsibilty lies with our selves, and when we come in front of Jesus, then we will speak for our selves not you!

  204. STL says:

    Teresa B. Tell me if this is in a loving manner?

    Ron and Dc has called me an idiot, I believe in Fairy Tales or Fables, I’m a clown. And he has called Levi, Tracy and others the same comments when we did not agree with his teachings.

    So it that in a loving feeling?

    • Teresa B says:

      No, with respect to others, I do not. Admonishment should be done carefully. It is for certain situations and for much more grevious actions. Just from experience. I do not know either or you or the motives for any reason so as an outsider I watch. I can tell you I visited another site today that is totally opposite which is what I am more comfortable with. This to shall pass, but I would encourage you to find one that lifts you up as you cont to grow in Him. Blessings, sleep well

  205. Ron Murphy says:

    I have never call any one an idiot. That is not the truth that I said those things because you did not believe in my doctrine. Yes I did tell you, you was believing a fairy tale, still do. Now why don’t you tell every body what you all called me and City. When I called you a clown did I not include myself. Are we not acting like clowns on here arguing about trib doctrine. Sorry you can’t see that. Levi called me more names than anyone, would you care to enclose them?

    • Teresa B says:

      Come on listen to yourselves? Any God Lovin Person who saw this would think you were lovers. This is not the way to act, calling names, This is a Dysfunctional family site, the Lord has been leading me out of that, I pray Holy Sprit convicts you tonight and this is healed. We need to lift ea other up
      1st Corinthians 2 that is, that I may be encouraged together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me

      You guys have a good eve

  206. (Job 15:35 KJV) They conceive mischief, and bring forth vanity, and their belly prepareth deceit.

    (Psalms 101:7 KJV) He that worketh deceit shall not dwell within my house: he that telleth lies shall not tarry in my sight.

    (Proverbs 14:8 KJV) The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way: but the folly of fools is deceit.

    (Proverbs 1:7 KJV) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

  207. STL says:

    Ron; another insult from you, calling me the “Son of Sam.”

  208. Aaron David says:

    I told some brethren that Obama, A.K.A “Bath House Barry”, fulfilled Obadiah by secretly conspiring with Israel’s enemies only 6 months into his -residency (hehe). I was laughed at. Not that I care. It is God’s word that is rejected and His Holy Spirit, not me. Besides, I am certain they are not laughing now. The irony is that Obama isn’t a Muslim. He is an elitist sodomite fool who’s intellect driven by demonic inspiration is his true god. Many are troubled by these things, but I agree with God and have no fear, America MUST be judged, and this is a part of it. Also, I am glad because Christ Jesus will come with His saints to slaughter and cast every wicked soul into hell. Even the churches in America are SO UNGODLY EVIL, that I won’t set foot in the majority of them. I am glad it is all nearly finished. I hate to go anywhere because of the rampant wickedness everywhere in America. And for you scorners and you proud haters of the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ, REPENT and BE SAVED! Your time is very SHORT!

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  210. Bob says:

    How do governments allow,followers of a mad man mohamad,who was a rapist,pediphile,murder,christian and jew hater,nazi..run a country..who let this vile poison religion in..it sure wasnt the voting people..wake up North America..The Bible is coming true..Jesus was Love,Sonof God.Not Mohamad,lieing scum..

  211. Kristi says:

    Shame on Islamic Americans. Islam and being a Muslim is also Evil! Muhammad was NO PROPHET of God!! Muhammad was a Child Molester, a Murderer, a Thief, a Liar, and was Married to almost 14 different women at the same time!! Please Trust in Jesus Christ Today, HE Died for You on the Cross. Jesus Said, I am The Way, The Truth and The Life, No One Comes to The Father, but, Through Me ( Jesus Christ ) Sincerely, Kristi Ann from Kristi Ann’s Haven online http://ka7.proboards.com

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