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Retired FBI Agent Told Patriot Groups That Obama’s Feds Have Set Up 30,000 Guillotines

| June 20, 2013

The Coming FEMA Camps

“and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.” Revelation 20:4

Shortly before his death in 2011, Ted Gunderson had this to say to Patriot groups across America in 2009. The story was originally posted on the Southern Poverty Law Center website. It’s one thing to hear this from conservative sites like Alex Jones or Drudge Report, but when rabidly liberal sites like Democratic Underground start reporting on this you know that the truth is starting to ooze out of Washington. Or leaked on purpose to prepare you. Hmm…

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“We’re in perilous times … perhaps far more perilous than in 1775,”

From Dem Underground: In Pensacola, Fla., retired FBI agent Ted Gunderson tells a gathering of anti-government “Patriots” that the federal government has set up 1,000 internment camps across the country and is storing 30,000 guillotines and a half-million caskets in Atlanta. They’re there for the day the government finally declares martial law and moves in to round up or kill American dissenters, he says. “They’re going to keep track of all of us, folks,” Gunderson warns.

Outside Atlanta, a so-called “American Grand Jury” issues an “indictment” of Barack Obama for fraud and treason because, the panel concludes, he wasn’t born in the United States and is illegally occupying the office of president. Other sham “grand juries” around the country follow suit.

And on the site in Lexington, Mass., where the opening shots of the Revolutionary War were fired in 1775, members of Oath Keepers, a newly formed group of law enforcement officers, military men and veterans, “muster” on April 19 to reaffirm their pledge to defend the U.S. Constitution. “We’re in perilous times … perhaps far more perilous than in 1775,” says the man administering the oath. April 19 is the anniversary not only of the battle of Lexington Green, but also of the 1993 conflagration at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, and the lethal bombing two years later of the Oklahoma City federal building — seminal events in the lore of the extreme right, in particular the anti-government Patriot movement.

Almost 10 years after it seemed to disappear from American life, there are unmistakable signs of a revival of what in the 1990’s was commonly called the militia movement. From Idaho to New Jersey and Michigan to Florida, men in khaki and camouflage are back in the woods, gathering to practice the paramilitary skills they believe will be needed to fend off the socialistic troops of the “New World Order.” source – Democratic Underground

About the Author:

NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he hosts a twice-weekly bible study and prophecy radio show on BlogTalk Radio, and oversees a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.
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  1. Scott says:

    Guillotines? Really? Doesn’t that seem a bit far fetched in 2013? Hitler was even more efficient. and didn’t have to construct and store 30,000 apparatuses. I think the government would come up with a less Marie Antoinette way of disposing of people. This just seems silly.

    • HAY SCOTT. BELIEVE IT. THE USE OF THE GUILLOTINE IS QUICK AND THEN THE ORGANS CAN BE HARVESTED AND USED, THEY CAN KEEP THE BODY ALIVE DIFFERENTLY TO TILL THEY NEED THE ORGANS. PLUS REVELATION STATES THIS WILL BE THE MODE OF KILLING IN THE LAST DAYS. DO YOU NOT FIND IT INTERESTING HOW GODS WORD IS ALWAYS CORRECT AND TRUE. WE CAN ONLY PRAY THAT JESUS WILL COME BACK FOR HIS CHURCH BEFORE THIS HAPPENS OR THAT HE WILL GIVE US THE COURAGE TO STAND AND BE FAITHFUL TO HIM IN THAT DAY. GOD BLESS AND KEEP YOU. MARANATHA!!!

    • I am living next to a Fema camp presently. All along one side of the camp sit Guillotines. I agree, it is very far fetched, but somehow accurate and very unnerving. I worry about the future of our citizens. Cheers.

      • john smith says:

        Where are you located Shogun? Any pics or vids of this installation and guillotines?

        • FLIP says:

          You are soooo full of it man… Come on, prove it… You know what a camera is… CLICK it… Post it… haha man… You’re the lier… Shame on you, GooF-BaLL…

        • Yes, we took photos. You don’t really have to take photos though, they aren’t hiding them, They are out in full view, next to one of the main causeways. Until recently, I wouldn’t think twice revealing specifics, but for obvious reasons, I will just say its in AZ. In a town of 2 million people. There is an air force base adjacent to the town. which the town has now grown around. I am not worried about convincing people, I just wondered what they would use them for, but I suppose the organ harvesting makes sense. They are made by a company by the same name as the cologne company Chanel- sort of weird. Cheers.

          • Jo says:

            I work in the pet food industry, so it’s not just harvesting organs, something most people aren’t aware of. Where I live, there’s a new guillotine at all the major gas stations, right there in plain view. They have signs, “Regular and Unleaded” and, now, “Christian”. I live in a town of around 12 million, but, so far, we’ve also kept it a secret. I had pictures, but my dog ate the SD card.

            Good thinking, obscuring your location and identity by just revealing 2 million and AZ, though somebody from the Post Office could possibly hunt you down.

          • chanel guillotines were designed by Tom Sachs, perhaps get in touch with him to find out more

          • Your Busted says:

            Your full of crap, your talking about the Phoenix area and Luke AFB, and there is jack squat there, you know how I know, because I live right up the road from there.

            I call nonsense on this

        • Just watched the “CONSPIRACY THEORY” with Jesse Ventura, he has uncovered a lot of things about what the government is doing/going to do to us. This is real, it is going to happen ready or not.

      • Dinosaur says:

        Wait, no joke you actually can see guillotines?

      • post a picture of the guillotines, shogun.

      • Jo says:

        “I am living next to a Fema camp presently.”

        Has that been good or bad for property values?

      • dave parr says:

        picture……post pictures, dont blab…SHOW PICTURE!!!! expose it dammit..

      • Hey! can you send me any pics of those guillotines? david in alaska.

      • Doug says:

        Do you have pictures?

    • For anyone doubting what the end will be like for Christians & anyone who refuses to believe in Jesus Christ or who refuse the Mark of the Beast.

    • jonny liquor says:

      when you consider the big Zeros’ Islamic nature, no, it begins to fit quite well. them muslims love hacking peoples heads off.

    • dwr3333333333 says:

      Keep in mind, this isn’t about what you think!

    • Markafeller says:

      The reason for them is a Jewish public law 102-14. It was put in place in 1991. Also the eugenic, occult international bankers believe that by being beheaded one can not be resurrected. (Some of them were beheaded back in the 1700s.)As they funded all the camps. A kill zone is a long term ambush or snare. They (the UN) will bio weapon swamps, forests, or any place people can hide however in the end… The same banker’s parents funded Hitler.

      • Mark says:

        That’s some pretty heavy duty stuff brother! Pretty much nixes the naive idea some believers here have about Christian survivors during the tribulation? I say that only the elite and clan will survive the tribulation. After all the tribulation is their game, and Satan their god :-(

      • The French Revolution was jewish made..and they loved cutting peoples heads off.
        I don’t think Hitler was financed by the jew bankers,just my opinion.

    • Karacek says:

      Far fetched????? Haven’t you been watching the news about beheadings plus dismembered corpses in the name of Allah? Think about who is being persecuted in the world today, and who Obummer is protecting. Get informed Mr. Scott!

    • arizona says:

      VERY few people will care enough about their family to find out if these gulliotines are really going to be used to chop off heads,YES THEY WILL,and the blood will be collected for later use,the bodies will be buried or used,and most americans will not see this coming, till their standing in front of the gulliotine thats going to chop off their head,like I said we live on planet stupid,…………………………

  2. NTEB News Desk says:

    The bible says in the book of Revelation that beheading in the death of choice of the Antichrist….look it up…

    • Scott says:

      Ok. But guillotines? That’s how I heard it all described growing up. Or an axe. But, if I were doing it, I wouldn’t use those things. Hey, if it’s true, it’s true, though I have doubts. It’s just a bit too convenient, and matching common held images of what that scripture means, and doesn’t make much sense.

    • leslie says:

      why is it hard for you to believe about the guillotines? Even the bible tells about many will be beheaded for their faith. If God says it, it will come to pass.

    • Agreed and it is also the choice of a muslim to cut your head off (anyone who is not muslim is the infidel, after Christians it will be anyone else who isn’t muslim, All in line with scripture. O’sloppymuslimmamma (also parades as O’daliLama) is a muslim no if ands or buts about it. Proof!!

      Which lines up with scripture as we see the caliphate rise to power again.

  3. Scott says:

    BTW, Ted Gunderson died in 2011. I don’t know how he told anyone anything since then. And, even if he did, it was 2 years ago and we just now heard about it. If you look at his Wiki MO, he’s kind of a conspiracy nut.

    • Raymond says:

      The only question that’s important is, is it true?

      • Scott says:

        Well yeah. And right now we just have on guy’s word on it. Except the supposed internment camps. I’ve at least heard about those from multiple sources, though the purpose of the facilities seems to still be debated.

        • Carl Adams says:

          This is for all the sceptics: You all really have no earthly idea what the Feds actually do – period. Much of what they do is covered under the layers of ‘need to know basis only’. Therefore, whenever someone makes a claim of what they know and what they saw, they actually take on a great risk. I was once sworn (in writing) to secrecy for what I saw and knew. The penality for divulaging the information was Court Marshal. Years later I wrote about the incident when it became declassifed. The event is written in the books ‘DreamWeaver Storybook’ and Fragmented Glory’. There is a two-fold bottomline here within this entry: (1) end-time Biblical prophecy is soon about to unfold; like it or not, and (2) sometimes a government agent speaks the truth, but the truth is so unbelievable that sketicism prevails through-out the masses.

      • STL says:

        Raymond: There called FEMA Camps, there coming to our rescue. LOL
        Got to store all those dead christians some where? LOL

        This been going on in theory for many years from our politicans, but now, this President is enacted these new laws that was created by past Presidents, to get rid of the Christians to form NWO. With us here we would be a torn in the Antichrist ass, so they will collect us, to the Fema Camps and get rid of us?

    • Lara says:

      @ Scott, The article did say he died and he said it before he did in 2009.. Reread this article again..

      “Shortly before his death in 2011, Ted Gunderson had this to say to Patriot groups across America in 2009. The story was originally posted on the Southern Poverty Law Center website.”

    • Michael says:

      Scott, FYI Wikipedia is monitored by gatekeepers who only allow the official stories to be published there. This is especially obvious by the way whistleblowers are always discredited there. Ted died from arsenic poisoning, after revealing inside info on chemtrails, etc.

    • arizona says:

      Scott,instead of running your mouth and proving your a total moron,WHY don’y you go see if any of this is true,then come back and talk about it,cause I seen them and all you have to do is look,THEIR NOT TRYING TO HIDE THEM,OR are you an OBAMA TROLL??????

      • Mark says:

        Why aren’t there photos or videos of them on the web? Like as with the camps and coffins, much media stuff.

  4. NTEB News Desk says:

    Shortly before his death in 2011, Ted Gunderson had this to say to Patriot groups across America in 2009. The story was originally posted on the Southern Poverty Law Center website.

    • Scott says:

      If we assume this is true, this would have to have predated Obama’s administration. This would have to go back at least through G. W. Bush, if not clear back to Clinton and before. It implicates the Republicans and Democrats. Will we be as critical in observing the actions of Republican administrations too?

      • political affiliation means nothing scott , you have to go much deeper than that, try the word of GOD, you will be enlightend.

      • Rojo says:

        He died in 2011 and said this in 2009 which puts it just after O was elected for his first term (he is currently on his 2nd term) in 2008. If this is something that he was planning before being elected to be POTUS, he could have laid the groundwork before winning the election and then just quietly introduced the bill to approve starting the building of the camps and guillotines. He obviously studied our system well as he uses the executive order power as though he’s been doing it his whole life. Most politicians have an agenda right from day one of their careers and O is obviously no different.

      • Sharptail says:

        weshould and i am–it is not about partisan politics

  5. arts says:

    A bill was introduced in the senate (HB 1274) to allow for death by guillotine stating that some death row inmates may wish to donate their organs and that death by injection or electrocution made that impossible.
    Please too, consider the organ trade where a 12 x 12 sized piece of human skin can sell for 1400.00.
    Not only have they made themselves rich on our backs but intend to do so after our deaths.

  6. I don’t think there is anything crazier then this site ! Wow wow just stop with the bull%#}

    • Agreed and it is also the choice of a muslim to cut your head off (anyone who is not muslim is the infidel, after Christians it will be anyone else who isn’t muslim, All in line with scripture. O’sloppymuslimmamma (also parades as O’daliLama) is a muslim no if ands or buts about it. Proof!!

      Which lines up with scripture as we see the caliphate rise to power again.

      • STL says:

        DC: Its not going to be that easy, just walk up, get your head chopped off, they will torture you for 10 days, to get you to take the mark. Its like going to seal training school but much worse.

        • I am mentally prepared to give my life for the Lord. Are you?

          • STL says:

            Brenda: stop living in your fantasy world? You have no idea how they will torture you before you get lucky to get your head chopped off, maybe before that happens, you’ll just die from your wounds not being treated?

            This will be the worest time in history, for anyone to go through. Look at the Christians in the time of Nero, he ordered Christians to be put on stake pushed through there bodies, while they left them hours bleeding to death in severe pain, they pour hot oil all over their bodies, then set them on fire, watching them scream for death?

            Yes, you have Jesus spiritually in you, but Jesus also said, endure to the end? Your physical body will be torture belong the point of severe pain, then they will reaptly ask you to take the mark, and the pain will stop.

            So again do you really believe your prepared to be tortured?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Brenda here,
            Whatever it takes, Steven, for I want to be with the Lord forever.
            Besides, it’ll be a drop in the bucket compared to an eternity in hell.

          • Ilona says:

            Revelation 6:9-11 This looks to me like believers will be going through the Tribulation.

            9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

            10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

            11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Absolutely, Ilona. And as Jesus plainly said in Matt. 24 after tribulation then shall he gather his elect.

            Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
            Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
            Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

          • John316 says:

            Do you know Christ as your lord and Savior ?

          • Sharptail says:

            can you deny Christ with your fingers crossed?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Yes, STL and they endured it , will you?

          • Php 1:20 According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.
            Php 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
            Php 1:22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
            Php 1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

          • I am to , after I give them all my lead.

          • Where’s your love, brother?

          • as far as the antichrist,and his followers,that is all the love I have for them, thank GOD for the militias across America.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Luk_17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

          • Im not going to save my own life, I have already given my soul and my life to CHRIST,
            SERVE THE WAY YOU ARE CALLED RON, I WILL SERVE THE WAY I AM CALLED.
            I DONT JUDGE YOU, DONT EVEN TRY TO JUDGE ME
            NEVER SURRENDER.

          • Those are God’s words, not Ron’s, Dane.
            The Word is truth….. that was just what we were talking about, what Jesus was saying……many will be offended in those days…………the truth will offend.

          • STL says:

            DC: There is no one prepared mentally, to endure physical torture?

            Have you fought in a war, or been a POW Camp, that toture, and many fell apart, begging for help?

            You have no idea what Satan has plan for you to be tortured, it will not be pretty?

            I did four tours in combat in Vietnam and spent 6 months in VC Pow Camp being tortured everyday, under that type of torture anyone will give up there lives to take the mark.

            You complain to everyone I’m the sheep beater. No one will be listening to you complaining in the Fema Camp being totured every day? And you have problems dealing with my insults, wait until they start torturing you, you’ll beg for mercy? But no one will be listening?

            I can hear SUEZ in the background, Oh! Steven your so insulting. But the truth hurts?

          • Rev. Roy says:

            I watched a video on U-Tube recently about the beheading of a young Muslim convert to Christianity. It was difficult to watch (it took about 2 minutes to accomplish the gruesome task) but the camera was on the young man’s face at ALL times. I can report that I did not once see a grimace, a wince, a contortation of his face in any manner or shape. This tells me that God has a special Grace available for His martyrs, such as He had for Stephen and a true Christian will be able to “endure to the end”.
            Rev. Roy…..<

      • He seems to be the counterpart of John the Baptist—preparing the way for the real deal.

  7. Raymond says:

    It looks like Obama is preparing to commit mass murder.

    • Tracy says:

      Raymond,
      It does appear that way; but, the American people aren’t giving up their guns easy. If this starts, there will be plenty killed on the other side as well.
      God Bless

  8. ‘As it was in the beginning, so shall it be in the end’.

    The old method, saves on bullets, just keep it sharpened. That’s all. Maybe get a bucket or two.

    • Jo says:

      Would think they’d have Ginsu blades, not need any sharpening at all. Don’t think it would be like the French version, either. Probably more streamlined, lightweight guillotines these days, maybe even dual use, chops vegetables, too.

  9. Leah says:

    “And, the bible says death by beheading. That does not equal guillotines.” What else are guillotines used for then? Death by beheading might not mean guillotines, but guillotines definitely mean death by beheading. Prophecy will be fulfilled whether we think it’s happening the right way or not. Honestly I think guillotines line up with this prophecy perfectly.

    • Jo says:

      Guillotines could be used for lot of other things. Don’t know why you couldn’t cut off a leg, or an arm, with a guillotine, just seriously maim a little. You could use it to cut a very large cheese ball in half, or at picnics on watermelons. If they’re very modern, lightweight and mechanized, you could probably trim hedges or make kindling with them. If made by Ronco, it could maybe become a portable hammock or child’s swing set, with the flip of a few levers, or turn a roast into a perfectly trimmed stack of beef jerky strips.

  10. Is this a only a test of the emergency broadcast system?

  11. It was a test but now that Obama is in charge its no longer a test. You will now not only receive this on your television, BUT YOU WILL ALSO GET A TEXT MESSAGE FROM THE PRESIDENT SAYING HE IS GOING TO HAWAII AND ITS PROBABLY WISE IF YOU JOIN HIM AT THIS TIME.

  12. I think I’d rather be with my family, than Osama Obama, or whatever his name is, Barry, maybe? Oh, well, you understand.

  13. I’m still trying to figure out why it has to be 400 miles. Like wouldn’t it be better if I just did 350 miles and just brought some bacon? That sounds better to me.

  14. Just bring the whole hog, and we’ll barbeque, while being barbequed…….lol

    gotta go out some way, I guess!

  15. Not sure how the guillotines will be used, but a friend of mine who is stationed at an Army base South of the Mason/Dixon says the guillotines are a fact, he is trying to get out now rather than finishing the only 3 years 2 months until he can retire, he doesn’t want to be a part of killing Americans, and he says that is what the police and a lot of soldiers are being trained to do. So take it for what it is worth, believe it or not, makes no difference in the final chapter, I choose to believe the Bible prophecy is right about the beheadings, and there are an awful lot of us to be beheaded any other way.

    • Jo says:

      I’m surprised. Usually, rednecks can keep a secret. But get a few beers in them…. At least everybody will be safe down there during hunting season.

      Did he say if the guillotines are shipped in train cars, or maybe by UPS, with some assembly required? Do they get a certificate when they complete the training? I’d want one, some skill to fall back on after leaving the service.

  16. Arthur Durio says:

    I tried to tell senator to vote no on the immigration bill and 4 times it kicked me off wanting my address which was on it when I click to vote.

  17. Jo says:

    Is there anybody here capable of critical thinking, but one or two of you, maybe? It’s a serious question. If you think you are capable of critical thinking, prove it.

    What sticks out like a sore thumb about this story?

    Clearly, most of you are oblivious, will be unable to answer that question, and will believe just anything.

  18. Randy says:

    The method doesn’t matter. We all know what’s coming so what’s the point of worrying about this? In N Korea, the Christians were told to lie down on the street, where a roller went over their heads, popping their skulls as it rolled. Personally, I’d prefer the gillotine. But even so, prayer is the most powerful weapon, and none of these man-made devices can overtake prayer for its effectiveness.

    • Deanna says:

      Amen Randy!!!!!! Pray that Christ gets us to the Wilderness the place of Safety and Refuge during the GREAT TRIBULATION!!! you gonna need the angels to lead you out of this…sounds familiar Just like Lot and his folks!!!!

  19. AP Watchman says:

    Guilliotines are very effective killing machines. They’re quick, they have few moving parts and are not likely to break down – only maintenance would be to sharpen the blade and those could be rotated, don’t require any electrical power and are very portable.
    I don’t think the organ donation thing is likely to be a major factor. The main reason the Antichrist will use beheading as execution is because it is fast and can be carried out anywhere. He will be in a hurry to remove as many of God’s people as he can because his time is short and he wants room to breath (in the spirit).

  20. steve thomas says:

    Please Google “guillotines in america”
    you might be surprised

    • Jo says:

      Not quite as bad as Googling “tooth fairy in America”, which gets about five times more hits.

      Remember, folks, if it’s on the web, it’s got to be true!

  21. Tom David says:

    These “guillotines” are some sort of anti-personell type weapon, like a granade launcher or something. I looked up the parts order numbers once at army.mil. Maybe they can be used for crowd control or be loaded with lethal rounds as well.

  22. Child of God says:

    link to eldib.wordpress.com
    FEMA Camp Footage (Concentrations Camps in USA)

    FEMA CONCENTRATION CAMPS:
    Locations and Executive Orders

    There over 800 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and
    ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by
    full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by
    FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be
    implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential
    signature on a proclamation and the attorney general’s signature on a
    warrant to which a list of names is attached. Ask yourself if you really
    want to be on Ashcroft’s list

  23. Child of God says:

    Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

    http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm FEMA’s 600 + 911 Concentration Camps

  24. Mrs. Simmons says:

    I live in Florida near 4 bases Air Force and Army I know lots of military men and women , I have heard nothing about this , I think we are all safe those camps started when Bush was President ,I’m glad Mitt did not win then we would have to worry . The Republicans would vote against any thing Obama tries to pass like a budget. the min wage increase Health care lower interest on school loans pass a bill for the mental ill not to buy guns stop gun sales at gun shows with no back ground check,

    • John316 says:

      mrs simmons the us government either democrat or republican they do not let the public know but they are in conhoots together it did not matter who is president or vice president or in congress they are all evil they all are controlled by satan cause satan is the head of this world system so that is why Jesus said in the word to come out from amongst them be ye seperate he was referring to the world system banks entertainment hollywood is included let me ask you a question if you were offered $ 1 million dollars and over on the other side had a life with Christ which would you choose ? if it was me i would choose Jesus cause the love of money is the root of all evil what do you hear them talk about the economy for the taxes for etc. its all about the dollar if you look at the dollar it has a symbol of a pryamid with one eye on it that is the sign of the new world order

      • Tracy says:

        John 3:16,
        You are right. I’ve read about this for sometime now, but just recently, with God’s help, determined that this is the way it’s supposed to be. God vs Satan, Christians vs global elitist, light vs dark. It started in the Garden of Eden. We do have free-will and do make our own choices; we can accept Jesus Christ into our hearts or reject Him, and obviously these people, whether by blood line or whatever, made the choice to reject our Lord. Things are not as they appear to us, it’s much deeper. They are in control of this world, as far as politics, wars, money, etc., but before too long God will intervene and this utopia will end for these evil people.
        Remember, the Bible says that God will NEVER leave us or forsake us. As a child of the King, I KNOW it and CLAIM it. Praise Him forever.
        God Bless

    • more coolaid please

  25. theres a scripture at the top that explains the need for these devices. how else do you behead a person a butter knife?

  26. i want pics too that would scare me silly.

  27. Joseph says:

    Valerie how are you feeling? We’ve been praying for you.

  28. thank you so much im having a good stretch of days. am having most of my pain in my feet upon standing when sitting for an hour or more. it is still there but not in my hips for almost 2 weeks its mainly on the bottoms of both feet those bones. i have an appt. tues. with an orthopedist.

    • John316 says:

      Satan get your filthy hands off of Gods property i speak healing in your joints i speak healing in your legs i speak healing in your spine in the name of Jesus be ye healed valerie you have to believe we have the authority to call and tell satan to take a hike

  29. STL says:

    Everyone: do not think its going to be a fast way to be beheaded, they will really enjoy, torturing you, at a very slow death.

    Why would I say that horrible thing, because Satan wants everyone to take the mark, to prove to God, he was wrong from the beginning these humans was a waste of his time, to believe in the faith of God?

  30. STL says:

    RoN. You know what’s going to be more insulting listening you preaches these last months of God’s Scriptures and in the end you’ll be taking the mark!

    You’ll never take that extreme torture before they beheaded you, you’ll scream like a little girl begging for the mark?

  31. STL says:

    Have anyone seen the temperature in Alaska, they said, its 85F, tropical paradise?

  32. STL says:

    Brenda: You have no idea what in will be like in the Lake of Fire, except you take the mark, thats a 20% chance in your favor, and I being nice about that figure!

    • Ron Murphy says:

      I’ll answer that for Brenda, Steve:

      Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

  33. Ron Murphy says:

    People will love the antichrist, It will be easy for them to do this thing to anyone who speaks out against their Mahdi. I believe it will be a Christian who knocks him off. When this happens the world will come down on the Christian faith, sparking the tribulation period. Mahdi will come back with vengeance with all the power of satan. Your own families will turn on you and cause you to be put to death. once the mark is taken you soul will belong to the devil, all hope in God will be gone. You will be desolate of God forever.

  34. ron i want to keep that promise so bad ; i will do all i can to keep it.

  35. Marjie says:

    If you are a pre-trib believer, then you have nothing to worry about … if that doesn’t occur Jesus will not forsake his own, especially the little children!

    • Tracy says:

      Amen,
      Regardless of what’s ahead, He will not forsake His own, nor any of the little ones.
      God Bless

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Not even in death.

        Luk 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
        Luk 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake.
        Luk 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
        Luk 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

        Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      O! how I sense judgment in your words, Marjie. Okay, what about the two men in bed one taken one left? do you suppose one of them was watching the sky. It means to buy your self a garment and be ready.

      Luk_17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

      Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

  36. brian says:

    this is too weird if it is true. the book of revelation does indeed say all who refuse the mark will be beheaded…if any members of congress or the senate ever get a chance to read this, I implore them to do their duty to their country and remember how ancient rome ridded themselves of Julius caeser. maybe the next guy will get the message.

  37. Doug says:

    DO NOT receive the mark of the beast……EVER……Read Rev. 14:11

    • Mark says:

      If one can identify it of course? Anyway, there’s much more to it than just simply taking the mark.

      Rev 13:15 KJV – And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

      Notice that those whom refused to worship the image were killed, and no mention of any mark being given yet. Therefore the key is idol worship. Just like was in Daniel 3.. the golden image and furnace sentence.

      Rev 14:9 KJV – And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

      Notice the ‘and’ connections? It’s a three part curse; beast, image, mark. An act of allegiance to the NWO :-(

      Please check out my new bible study page on things. :-)

      http://aeroventure.com/PretribulationRapture/Pre-tribulation_Rapture.htm#The_image_of_the_beast

  38. thank you Ron i need to get stronger i had to take pain pill for shoulder pain not so strong tonight.

  39. Ron Murphy says:

    We’ll be praying for you, Valerie. Hope you have a good night. God bless you.

  40. thank you Ron still no answer on my joint pain.

  41. CHRIS FISHER says:

    I can assure the good people in this thread that the nonsense posted above has not and will not happen under our ever watchful eyes!

  42. stupenny says:

    There is a man who used to be a Palestinian terrorist who converted to Christianity, who’s name is Wahlid Shoebat. He is on youtube and he teaches about the mark if the beast. According to him the Antichrist will be muslim (surprised?), and the mark is the headband and armband which says there is no god but allah. For those of you who do not know, their god id a little moon god, and when people tell you that the muslim allah is the same God as our Christian God, they are very mistaken. To hear more about the mark so it makes sense look up Wahlid, he is very funny and entertaining but deadly serious~

    • Mark says:

      No, the ‘mark of the beast’ is an economic thing. The RFID chip will be used by the elite to control the future population.

      See my Youtube channel for more info
      http://www.youtube.com/user/sPIRIToFmYSTERY

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Mark right now no one knows for sure what the mark will be, you are probably right on the chip, though. But on thing almost certain is the antichrist will rise from the Muslim people, but he will be occult, not Muslim.

        Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
        Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

        Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

        • Mark says:

          Ron, you may not agree, but I do believe the occultic Muslim king is now on the stage. And if so, then the end is not long away now. Only a few more years at best?

          Even so, WWIII is yet to begun, and until that event occurs, we are still in the dark. For certain though, the end of that war will emerge the third temple. And once that occurs, we will need to watch things more carefully. As that event will also bring to light Revelation 11 & 12, the truth of the two witnesses and the woman.

          But the tribulation still doesn’t begin until after the mystery abomination of desolation (occult idol) is placed in the temple. Thus killing the Jewish animal sacrifice ritual of ancient order. Which also wakes the Jews up, as they finally realize that the NT is true.

          Agreed thus far brother?

          As the mark of the beast, I do believe it is the chip, as evidence declares fact. In fact the tribulation stage is being prepared and tested even now. Satan must have everything in working order, to be able to effectively pull off his tribulation game.

          In any case, hell on earth is not eminent. However people die daily, some saved some not. And if not, then may God have mercy on their souls. Therefore shouldn’t we focus rather on the lost and needy, instead of bickering over future prophetic matters among ourselves?

          Anyway, just my two cents worth in matters ;-)

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Mark, I don’t have Bible for what you are saying. No place of a great war until Armageddon. We see only wars and rumors of wars, and yes, that is and has been going on now for sometime. But I do agree with you that the time is very short. President Obabylon will bowl down to the antichrist. It’s possible he might even be the false prophet, who knows. But it’s almost certain he’s not the antichrist, even though satan is working overtime to deceive people that he is. satan is not out to deceive the world as much as he is out to deceive the children of God. Hitler wanted to be the antichrist as well. But one thing is for sure, the real antichrist must line up with scripture first, and all these that we suspect now do not.
            Mark the abomination , tribulation, and the 2 witnesses all start at the same time. Is that what you see, also?
            Mark that would be so about the lost, if your theory was right about the rapture, but under my understanding it is also very important to get the saints ready for the trying of their faith in the Lord. And knowing that the trying of our faith worketh patience.
            So you see, brother, even though it may not matter a great deal to you the point you argue with us, to us it is detrimental to our teaching. It is not a personal issue as some take it, but a Spiritual issue of oil in the lamp to endure the waiting upon the Lord through that patience.
            Mark the rapture can not be the meat Jesus was referring to. The meat of the word is hard to swallow, and is only for strong Christians. But it is now due season , Mark.

            Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
            Mat 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

            Don’t miss out on yours , Brother.

          • Mark says:

            Ron, all relevant Antichrist KJV scripture is at my updated page, new section…
            http://aeroventure.com/PretribulationRapture/Pre-tribulation_Rapture.htm#The_rise_of_the_Antichrist

            However to say Obama can’t be the chosen dark one, is just plain silly and naive. And if you examine Obamas roots and nature, the possibility becomes very real very fast.

            For one thing, the chosen one is now among us, not some future born baby. After all, the chosen one is a man (human), not a fallen angel. Therefore he has to be born and become an adult, in order to be worthy of the dark crown.. does he not?

            He doesn’t just instantly appear as the Antichrist either. He has to start from scratch, slowly building his hidden regime. You need to think logically in Antichrist matters brother ;-)

            “Mark the abomination , tribulation, and the 2 witnesses all start at the same time. Is that what you see, also?”

            No, Ron, that is not quite my belief :-( But at present we don’t know exactly what is going on, as the temple vision is yet future. Anyway, my thoughts on things are at my developing new page :-)

          • Well at least we can agree one that he’s on earth at this time and most likely an adult.

          • Mark says:

            Brenda, we will know nil till the peace treaty and temple rising event transpires. But I’ll bet my marbles he’s the strange one on our stage ;-)

            Why? Because he has two thrones; USA, UN. The latter is his global reign. Anyway, I’m keeping my eye on him. Also his namesake is strange, it is seeming biblical. A few ironies in regards to things ;-)

            Barack Hussein Obama: full name = 18 letters. – 6 + 6 + 6 = 18
            Birthday: August 4 = 216th day of year- 6 x 6 x 6 = 216
            Birth place Honolulu: Latitude 21.6 – 6 x 6 x 6 = 216
            Obama’s home governing state zip code = 60606

            The winning lottery ticket # in Chicago the day after elections was 666 in Obama’s home governing state. the next pick was 7779. 666 = Antichrist; 777= perfect completion; 9 = gods judgment, under biblical meaning. Obama wins election- November 5, 2008: Antichrist, perfect completion, Judgment by god.

            Luke 10:18, 10:19, 10:20) – I saw Satan as LIGHTNING FROM HEAVEN, (19) I have given you AUTHORITY to TRAMPLE ON SNAKES AND SCORPIONS and to OVERCOME all the POWER OF THE ENEMY, nothing will harm you.(20) However do not rejoice the SPIRITS SUBMIT TO, but rejoice that your NAMES are WRITTEN IN HEAVEN.

            The Hebrew translation of “LIGHTNING FROM HEAVEN”, is “BARAK O BAMAH”.
            TRAMPLE ON SNAKES AND SCORPIONS- GUIDE U.S. TROOPS TO IRAQ AND PAKISTAN.
            OVERCOME POWER OF THE ENEMY- KILL OSAMA BIN LADEN. SPIRITS SUBMIT TO, YOUR NAMES WRITTEN IN HEAVEN- NEW WORLD ORDER, YOUR IDENTITY WILL BE REVEALED TO GODS CHILDREN.

            Jesus spoke Hebrew, “I saw Satan as Barak O Bamah, lightning from heaven, and there was given unto him a mouth to speak great things, he shall enter peacefully; even upon the riches of nations, he will be different from previous kings, he will not mention the religion of his ancestors.” Obama’s mom sent him to a Muslim school. Obama’s family is Muslim. but he says he’s Christian. He spoke of great things and spoke of change and hope for a better future. He entered office peacefully with the congratulations of other nations around the world. He’s the next Hitler and deceiver the next antichrist but in perfect form. Do the research and find these answers are true. He mocked the bible and had a family that killed Christians. this information can be found online from many sources. Please look up and see that this is real.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Mark just because our Muslim king wants to be the antichrist doesn’t make it so.

          • Mark says:

            Time will tell Ron.. time will tell ;-)

    • Heather says:

      I don’t know who the antichrist will be. You don’t know who the antichrist will be. You don’t know if he will be a Muslim, apostate Jew, worshiper of Zeus or Mars, or even exactly where he will come from: you don’t really know any details whatsoever. So what is the point of making claims nobody can substantiate, when the Bible clearly states he will not be revealed until he is revealed? Where do you people get off saying this or that is, or this or that will be, when you, in fact, don’t have a clue, and couldn’t have any real clue?

      There is only one thing quite sure: if you KNOW who the antichrist is, better look around and see if that true Christian some of you like to mock is around anymore!

      Am I the only person who tires of you anonymous theological “legends in your own minds” who make claims, would deign to teach people, but, in fact, really know nothing? Can’t even rightly divide the word of God with respect to understandings any learned Christian is aware of, down the ages, which you deny or refute, all the time, in your ignorant messages? (I’m talking some Christian basics you clearly have no concept of!) Where in the Bible are you instructed to engage in and make vain speculation of the word of God? Could it possibly be, if what you’re teaching is not true, that you’re, therefore, teaching error? Is that possible? Something to maybe think about? Or, as usual, is it just, “Duh!”, and back to churning out garbage that actually has NOTHING to do with the word of God?

      You know something, I don’t care and no Christian should care about anything being spewed on YouTube or anywhere that can’t be solidly backed by the whole scripture. (Fact is, you don’t fool any real and learned Christian, in the first place.) The only thing deadly serious is that anybody just off the reservation and spewing is not to be taken seriously at all!

      • Mark says:

        Correct in that the Antichrist is not yet revealed. His true colors are revealed in the abomination of desolation event. However for wise believers, the one whom initiates the peace treaty unto the third temple is the Antichrist ;-)

        As for Obama thoughts, please check out my new video post here :-)

  43. Judi says:

    here is something I do not understand. There is the talk of the antiChrist and the mark of the beast now but in the Bible it says the antiChrist will rise up 7 years after the rapture. That is when people will be asked to take the mark of the beast. There will be people who right now that say they are Christians and they are not. Those will be the ones who will be persecuted for Christ. If you are a Christian and have accepted the gift of salvation from God, you will not see the AntiChrist nor will you be asked to take the mark of the beast. you will already be in Heaven with God. I have studied Revelations and Daniel (Daniel should be studied before Revelations or in correlation with Revelations) and it is all written in there what will happen in the last days.

    • Mark says:

      Actually, according to Daniel and Jesus, the actual tribulation begins after the abomination of desolation event occurs. Plus there is much misinformation regarding the mark of the beast and the tribulation. See my new bible study section for things as I presently understand them. ;-)

      http://aeroventure.com/PretribulationRapture/Pre-tribulation_Rapture.htm#The_7_trumpets

      P.S. The tribulation will be; death, destruction, and slavery. The time of the New World Order game. And the only living survivors will be the elite and clan, whom will be chipped. During that dark hour, all of society will then be run on the chips, there will be zero freedom.

      During tribulation, the elite will rule the world, and their future utopia is here in this strange modern megalith…

      http://aeroventure.com/CONSPIRACY/Guidestones.htm

      However I don’t believe any true believers of today will be forced into the tribulation. Though there are those whom challenge the pre-tribulation concept. :-(

      • The Church does NOT go through the Trib, Jeremiah says it is the time of “Jacob’s trouble”…Jacob became Israel.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          It is indeed called Jacobs trouble, but that in no way implies that the church was excluded. The Jews are the focal point of tribulation. It is for the remnant of Jacob to be brought back to God. He said, that is what I’ve purposed and to show the heathen why He did, what He did to Israel.

        • Mark says:

          Yes I know that NTEB. However the tribulation doesn’t actually begin until midweek, after abomination of desolation event. The first half of week is not even called tribulation, but rather a peace time of sorts.

          Anyway, as far as my KJV bible tells, Daniel 9:27 is the only place which states a 7 year block? All other mentions only note roughly a 3.5 year segment, but it isn’t clear in all which side of coin?

          P.S. If you have otherwise proof, please present it ;-)

  44. John316 says:

    There is getting ready to be a storm sweap thru america from one end of the coast to the other coast and in between this storm will not be just in america but world wide it will cause peoples lives to crumble it is Gods way of getting those that have left the faith attention to try to get them to turn back to him before the rapture takes place these camps are for those Christians that still have garments that are spotted that are left behind cause of some unconfessed sin in there heart and life they will have to go thru the tribulation to get there head cut off to get there garment clean ask yourself this question are you homesick have you checked your life to make sure you have no unforgiveness in you have you checked yourself to see if you have unconfessed sins in your life i want to see people saved i want to see people escape whats about to happen but i will encourage you all God is in control of everything if you have fear fear the one that can cast you into hell man cannot hurt your soul if it belongs to God the spirit ask Jesus to feel you with his holy spirit that is what we all need today is a great outpouring of the holy spirit to get us thru each day the rapture is imminent which means Christ can come back at any second but first there must be a great falling away and then the last revival and this storm has to take place and then look up for your redemption draweth nigh if you are homesick it is a sure sign you are hearing from the lord cause in the spirit he is a spirit and we must worship him in the spirit the only thing man can do is harm the flesh he cannot hurt our spirit or our soul if we dont give in to there tactics and we take and keep our hearts centered on Christ the lord

  45. John316 says:

    John Christ went and suffered on that cross for you over 2000 years ago being a Christian is not a religion its a relationship with Christ the Lord he is the king of kings and the lord of lords the great i am he is the only way to heaven he created a bridge for mankind over 2000 years ago when he was on the road to calvery he loves you even if you do what you do today he still loves you look at the people that hung him on that cross put those nails in his hands and feet what did he say Father forgive them for they know not what they do he set the example for us we need to have forgiveness in our hearts and lifes when people hurt us you john have been hurt badly in your past forgive that person that hurt you that is why you show alot of anger towards God must i say it was not God it was satan that hurt you he is trying to say it was God but it was not God

  46. The Law to Be-head Christians was put in place in 1991, by Traitors Reagan and Bush, and RABBI SCHNEERSON. The Guillotines will be used, Jesus will be IDOL Worship in the 7 Noahide Laws BY JEWS of Chabad Lubvitcher, The Guillotines are from China (COSCO) not Costco, Confirmed, by Pamela Rae Schuffert, Al Cuppett(former joint Chief of Staff of the Pentagon) Jack McLamb, Sherry Shriner, Tex Marrs, Doc Marquis etc. When Martial Law is called and the Noahide Laws(One world Reglion of Lucifer is called) You will choose who you serve, Jesus or Lucifer, the FEMA camps are for Re-educating and will be filled. You better KNOW YOUR enemy and It is the Jews of the Talmud and Lucifer

    • Finally someone who knows the truth about who our enemy is!!Thank you geraldine!!!

      Merry Christmas, and
      OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!

      by Carol A. Valentine
      http://www.public-action.com/christmas.html

    • Who am I?

      I am behind communism
      I am behind radical feminism
      I am behind homosexual-ism and “gay marriage”
      I am behind multiculturalism
      I am behind anti-Christianity
      I am behind a one world government

      I am the “divider and conquerer”
      I am the race baiter and the slave trader
      I am censorship
      I am anti-gun
      I am open borders
      I am eminent domain
      I am against English as the official language of the government
      I am a dual citizen with loyalty not to your nation
      I am the reason your daughter has low self esteem and desperately dresses like a whore
      I am the Federal Reserve, Wall Street, central banking and big corporate money.
      I am usury, fractional reserve lending, world currency and fiat money
      I am AIPAC, NAMBLA, ACLU, ADL, NAACP, SPLC
      I am the MSM, Hollywood, tabloid journalism and pornography

      I am the corrupt judicial system that frees the guilty and imprisons the innocent
      I am the nation’s high end drug dealer
      I am the re-writer of history to my advantage
      I am the military industrial complex
      I am an unregulated nuclear state
      I am an international terrorist
      I am the WTC ’93, OKC ’95, 911, the Lavon Affair and the USS Liberty incident
      I am “war by way of deception”
      I am the aggressor, yet always the victim
      I am the eternal radical

      I believe that chaos equals cash and that gray equals green
      I will defraud your country without conscience or consequence
      I legislate from the bench, not from the Constitution
      I contrive to make the simplest notion complicated
      I succeed when you fail
      I have killed more innocents than any others
      I am your last, your current and your next war

      Who am I?

      I am the Jew who lives among you in the United States

    • Mark says:

      Biblical thoughts.. my new bible study :-)

      http://aeroventure.com/PretribulationRapture/Pre-tribulation_Rapture.htm

      P.S. Tribulation is not imminent ;-)

  47. R.B. says:

    My god!!! American’s are really going nuts! Take a pill…do something…see someone. Are you all crazy?

  48. Frank says:

    The beast referred to in prophetic scripture is in fact all the governments on earth. The mark of the beast is not an outer symbol but rather one inscribed upon one’s heart and mind. To receive the mark, one merely needs to give his support to the governments of the world. This includes the U.S. government, by the way. This also includes the U.N., referred to in prophecy as the “image of the wild beast.” Jesus said that to be recognized as a true Christian, one must remain separate from the world. If you vote, you are part of the ‘world’ and will receive part of it’s plagues. The ‘antichrist’ is not any one individual or organization. It is, just as it appears, anyone who is against the Christ. Jesus said that anyone who is not with him is against him. Pretty plain and simple. What does it mean to be ‘with Him’. That, my friends is another post.

  49. Heather says:

    The real question, were it true there were these thousands of guillotines in every corner and under every bed, is a hypothetical one:

    If you were to remove the head of many of the “Christians” posting here, and could somehow, otherwise, keep the remnant of their bodies alive, would they continue to sit on their sorry rears all day and post the same ignorant drivel, absent a brain?

    I’ll take the affirmative in the debate.

    • Joseph says:

      If that is so Heather you are one of us! You come on here everyday and read the articles and get involved in the comments. What makes you not just like us? Because your rude and obnoxious? If you were beheaded you would just sit there flipping everyone off.

  50. Little bird says:

    Remeber NTEB did a story on all the bullets they purchased as well.

    • Mark says:

      They must prepare themselves now, for the future great tribulation. Else their tribulation effort would simply fail, as it is far too complex to build overnight.. i.e. Rome wasn’t built in a day ;-)

  51. Lee Latham says:

    I definitely would not put this past the obama administration. Just think when he becomes the dictator he will be happy to take care of all the infidels.

  52. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
    Rev 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
    Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
    Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

  53. Little bird says:

    @ Scott go to youtube and search FEMA death camps. I dont know if they show Guilliotines but I have seen pictures of all the plastic coffins

    • Arley says:

      Someone may have asked this, but: The Plastic Coffins, how many bodies will fit in one?? Depending on size of personage, my guess is anywhere from ‘one, Rotundas,’ to ‘four, Slim-Jim’s.’ Deductulating, an average of two pt five, how many bodies can be buried in Ten-Million Plastic Coffins?? (and I may have guessed low on number of Coffins).
      Sidebar: One Guillotine, properly functioning, in Dis-assembly Line fashion, should be good for five to seven good executions, per minute, using drop doors, and flash washing of site.
      “”Born-Anew Christians, cannot die for Christ, as we have already died “”With”” Christ, on the Cross, with the proof being Holy Spirit, living within.”” Ladies, and Gentlemen, only the Mode of ‘Graduation,’ needs to be determined, and recognized, be it ‘normal, accidental, execution, or Rapture. My guess is, ‘whichever gets to us, first.’ Yeee-Haaa!!! and AMEN

  54. Saved4Glory says:

    This is the most compelling evidence as to “when” this may all go down.
    https://www.evernote.com/shard/s317/sh/16ea72b4-de26-4703-a271-3fad3399dfa4/b136f28c073ff446719b063c077f2204

    You need to know

    • STL says:

      Ron OR Dc: Go to the post of 139 of Saved4Glory look up the web site tell what’s wrong with it?

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Pastor, I Don’t Do web sight, I trust in my Bible and that’s all.

        • STL says:

          Ron: without the knowlegement of the jews their would not be any christian, our calendars are designed by the Hebrew calendars, their feast’s, trumpets, woes, all designed by God for the jewish nation.

          So the blood moons are related to God’s scriptures, so trust what God designed for the jews? So take your head out of your ass, just look at Post 161.

          Your worest than a jackass trying to get you to see the truth?

          • Joseph says:

            Such pleasant Christian talk there STL. Bye the way it is worse not worest. Worest is not a word.

          • STL says:

            Joseph: What’s the point of worest or worse, are you a english professor now? LOL

          • STL says:

            Joesph: I guess you were throwing in your 2 cents worth of entertainment! Seems your also like Ron narrow minded.

          • Joseph says:

            No my seond grade teacher taught me not to say worest. Just passing on the info. I had to write “I will not say worest” on the blackboard 20 times.

          • Very True Joseph. And I get the feeling we AINT SEEN THE WOREST OF IT LOL

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Pastor, Web sight and videos don’t give me life , but every word that proceed from the mouth of God. That is what I eat . Now you eat what you may that your choice, but also leave me to mine. Thank you. The blood moons have nothing to do with end time and Damascus will not be laid to heaps until the very end. It is one of the ten horns of the beast. War will happen but not just because you want to go home. I want to go home to, but I know it’s not time quite yet. If you don’t watch you dirty mouth you might not make it anyway.

            Mat_7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
            Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
            Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

          • STL says:

            Ron: Remember about John eating the scroll it tasted like honey, but later his styomach became sore he was sick. Watch eating too many words from God, you might end up vomitting it all up?

            Your sure full of crap, possible why your so uneducated, being a coal miner all your life, maybe that why your so narrow minded?

            Sound like Matthew 7:23 is right up your alley, God going to say to you, I never knew you, depart from me.

            Ron, I guess you built your house on sand, my house is built on rock foundation!

          • Ron Murphy says:

            True , Pastor very narrow minded , I focus on Jesus!

          • Ilona says:

            Ephesians 4:29 – Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

    • Mark says:

      No, the time is hid in God :-( But when the third temple rises, we know that the global dark hour is very soon ;-)

  55. Steve says:

    Well, I’ve read through many of the above comments, and I am literally stunned as to how many people have doubts about what lies ahead for those “left behind” called the Tribulation.

    So many people have doubts and need proof so much like in the days of Christ’s walk on this Earth and afterward. They all want to see “proof” so they’ll believe.

    Bottom line: Either believe by FAITH or you can choose to reject the Truth.

    Jesus said…”I am the WAY, the Truth, and the Life”

    Need any more be said here??

    May God Bless those who decide to stay behind and witness what you refused to believe.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      No confusion in me friend. I believe !00% of what I see in all living christain going through great tribulation. There’s no doubt in my mind, about that. What you believe is not the truth , there is not proof of it in the Bible. It is just your beliefs and the way you want it to be.
      You should love God’s word no matter what it says.

    • Mark says:

      Steve, don’t believe a word what that the post trib lot post about rapture, as they only spew forth endless fables :-(

  56. Lee Latham says:

    I guess he is assuming some sort of dictatorship, just not like he wants. He wants complete control and he still has some people in his way. He is waiting the day when he has total control and that day could be soon.

  57. STL says:

    MARK: when do you believe when the Tribulation begins?

    My theory in Sept. 2014?

  58. STL says:

    MARK: What will occur this summer?

    Isaiah 17:1

    • Mark says:

      You mean WWIII Steve? Anyway, no one knows yet, just like with past wars. Probably will be a false flag event, like was seeming the case with 911 though :-(

  59. STL says:

    Rev. 2:9 Good choice picking words from E.J. Hoover he was gay!

    Tell me how much you really hate the Jewish nation of Isreal?

    So since I’m a Christian/jew you really hate me?

  60. STL says:

    Mark: we will not see the 3rd temple existing until mid- Tribulation, as this temple is for SAtan being called God of this world!

    As a pre-tribbere, I’ll never see this temple ever existing!

    • Mark says:

      No Steve, the third temple does not rise during the tribulation. Rather the temple event later brings forth the tribulation. But whether or not we will witness the temple is yet unknown. In fact we may play a part as witnesses then, as the event will certainly unify the churches into one :-)

      P.S. I guess you never read my bible study page? :-(

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Pastor, if you say 7 years of great tribulation then you or any body else saying so is contradicting what Christ said.

      Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
      Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

      Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

      • Mark says:

        On this fact and this alone do I agree with post-trib lot ;-)

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Yes Mark most pre tribbers would call you mid trib. But I understand you have some wisdom. You are pretrib in your view. You just have trouble excepting the fact that Jesus knew of the church when He walked the earth as a mortal.

          • Mark says:

            Ron, I’m a mixture of tribbers ;-) You should know that by now? Yes, Jesus knew of the Jewish church, but he did not know of the Gentile one.. combo. Paul states fact clearly.. the hidden mystery :-)

            P.S. I’m only pre-trib in that I believe rapture comes before tribulation. I don’t believe in a 7 year tribulation, as bible states no such thing. And I’m not mid-trib, as they also believe in a 7 year tribulation. Only post-trib don’t, but then I don’t believe they have the rapture proper. Anyway, that’s where I presently stand on sticky issue :-)

          • Mark you mean unwilling to take a side, but always willing to argue in other words.

            Unfortunately thats not part of Christs Doctrine either.

            (Luke 11:23 KJV) He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

            (Matthew 12:30 KJV) He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

            (2 Timothy 3:7 KJV) Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

          • Mark says:

            DC I’m still exploring matters regarding rapture, but I’m quite positive it comes before tribulation. And I’m duly certain that Daniels 70th week does not begin with tribulation.

            Dan 9:27 KJV – And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

            The abomination of desolation is placed in the temple, followed by tribulation…

            Mat 24:15 KJV – When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
            Mat 24:21 KJV – For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

            A) The third temple must be in full operation.
            B) Midweek the Jew ritual ends, as evil thing set.
            C) Once the evil object is set, tribulation begins.

            What is the abomination of desolation (Dan) or image of the beast (Rev)? None yet know, but I believe it will be the NWO idol. Possibly the pyramid thing, the Illuminati symbol. However I imagine it won’t be a mere idol, but rather a complex networking computer (big brain). Whereby the future RFID chips will be monitored and controlled. And where the Antichrist will run as big brother from (making himself God). But just speculating on things here ;-)

            However we both know such technology is not only now available, but will likely be used in the desecrated temple? Talk about abomination :-(

          • Mark if you are still exploring then what are you doing teaching then?

          • Mark says:

            Brenda, I only teach what I believe, as do you and others :-)

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Okay, Mark Show me where in scripture it says the Church is a Mystery?

            2Ti_2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

          • Mark says:

            I thought I already stated things prior Ron, but I guess not? Anyway, for you to digest ;-)

            1Cr 2:7 KJV – But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

            Eph 3:3-6 KJV – How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

            Eph 5:32 KJV – This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

            Eph 6:19 KJV – And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

            Col 1:27 KJV – To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

            P.S. As above scripture clearly states, the mystery of the Jew/Gentile church was unknown prior to Paul’s revelation of it (it’s not in the OT nor Gospels). And sadly this mystery of the church is rarely taught in today’s churches either :-(

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Well you can’t be wrong if you are mixed, but neither can you be right!

          • Mark says:

            Oh I’m right Ron, much more than you’ll ever be :-)

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Jas_1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

          • Amen!!

            (2 Timothy 3:7 KJV) Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

  61. Heather says:

    Oh brother! Now it’s guillotines? 30,000 of them? Here we have what must be design engineers, a manufacturer, accounting offices, purchase agents, executives, manufacturing workers, secretaries, transporters, shipping and receiving departments… what must be a huge conspiracy they’ve somehow managed to keep a secret from the mainstream press, which would give their eyeteeth for such a scoop, even pay handsomely for. Just think how conservatives would have this on the cover of the Washington Post or New York Times.

    You know, they couldn’t keep the antics of a small crew a secret during Watergate or Iran Contra, and, in D.C., if you want to know what the CIA is up to, buy a newspaper. It’s beyond comprehension how dumbed-down and gullible some people are, to believe things common sense dictates are ridiculous.

    NTEB, is this a Christian news website or an extension of Alex Jones, George Noory, or DC Comics? Actually, it seems to be Anti Obama News Central, as if it’s in the Bible every time he breaks wind. Where is perhaps a hiatus with the obsessive appropriate, when you’re just spreading myths and lies?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Heather, you mind is about as long as you nose. Don’t you think maybe they could of been shipped in? Maybe even from the Muslim nations? They are really good with steel. Most are excellent machinist. If you are not willing just remember the lake of fire is much worse.

    • Heather..9-11 was pulled off by the enemy within,now I and thousands of others have figured out who did it but the mainstream media hasn’t. You know that they have way more recources at disposal than we do yet they don’t try to figure out if somebody else did it.They(mainstream media) have always been part of the conspiracy,that’s how they get away with all these false flags.Who do you think owns all the newspapers,I will tell you…our enemy.
      Maybe you are the gullible one.
      PS:Just to let you know..Alex Jones is a gatekeeper.

    • FREE FROM CHINA, PROBABLY THRU WALMART

  62. STL says:

    Ron: If web sites do not give you life? You sure spend alot of time on this web site?

  63. STL says:

    Brenda: As Scripture describes the horrible period of the Tribulation, most will take the mark?

    Are you sure you’ll refused the mark under severe tortue?

    Have you ever be beaten almost to your death?

    I have in a VC POW Camps, after a few weeks, just to get them to stop, I gave up anything they wanted from me.

    So you know for sure you’ll never take the mark? LOL Ha Ha!

  64. STL says:

    Brenda: Just go through a Seal or Delta Special forces training for 3 months, our trainers acted as terrorist, out of 30 men, only 6 men graducates.

    My life experience in a VC torture camps, if I had to repeat that over again, I would cut my own throat, because that’s extreme fear.

    But Satan will not be as nice as the VC was to me? He’ll use your love ones against you, or your grandchildren against you, and his goal to brake you down, so your begging to take the mark?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      One big difference in Seals and Christians. We have the Lord. Life is not important when you have God, the giver of life. Don’t fear the antichrist, fear God.

  65. Go to you tube and watch the nephilim video by courageoues nerdz. Freaky stuff :-)

  66. stupenny says:

    As Christians we all hold differing views of what the scriptures do or do not mean. I think it is a good thing to challenge one another’s thinking as a means to learn and to grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ. However, when a conversation devolves into contention, finger-pointing, strife and contention I believe we are missing the mark of the high calling of Jesus Christ and we are no longer edifying one another in brotherly love~ And it is evident that not all people who comment are Christians. What example are we setting for them?

  67. you can thank haarp for that temperature in alaska.

  68. Ron Murphy says:

    ISLAMABAD (AP) — At least a dozen Islamic militants wearing police uniforms shot to death nine foreign tourists and one Pakistani before dawn Sunday as they were visiting one of the world’s highest mountains in a remote area of northern Pakistan that has been largely peaceful, officials said.

    The foreigners who were killed included five Ukrainians, three Chinese and one Russian, said Pakistani Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan. One Chinese tourist was wounded in the attack and was rescued, he said.

    The local branch of the Taliban took responsibility for the killings, saying it was to avenge the death of a leader killed in a recent U.S. drone strike.

  69. Bo says:

    Hello Everyone – I’m not sure anyone will read this, this thread has been going on for some time. But I must leave something for someone who may have come to this sight just now. Everyone above has good intentions but I’m afraid is becomes too boastful. There is good scripture references and such but too many want to claim some kind of superiority of their understanding of scripture., I do wish that everyone would tone it down and keep things simple. I am a new believer and I am getting stronger in my faith. And I believe I’m getting stronger because I am keeping it simple. To those who might not be saved or are just starting their journey with Christ (like me) this is just my recommendation of where to start…1 Corinthians 15:3,4. I believe that if you don’t realize that none of us can get salvation on our works (being a good person,reading your bible, going to church every Sunday) you must know that if you think your going to heaven because your a good person YOU WILL BE SHOCKED when we stand in front of our maker. You must believe that because of Jesus’ death and resurrection for our sins (your sins, my sins) we will have eternal life in heaven, until you believe that there is NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO EARN SALVATION, all of this talk is worthless. We only receive life with Christ when His sacrifice rules our life. Because of Christ’s sacrifice God doesn’t see us as sinners He sees us the ones who lead a perfect life which His Son did. Praise Jesus. Remember 2 things…Being a Christian is not what you can DO..Its what has already been DONE. And, Sleep tonight knowing that Jesus has already DONE everything we need for salvation. Believe with Faith in his death and resurrection. God Bless.

  70. Ron Murphy says:

    Php_2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

    • Mark says:

      Ron, ye error yet once again :-(

      The Greek word for salvation is ‘sōtēria’ 1) deliverance, preservation, safety, salvation

      P.S. The context is the key ;-)

      Salvation in biblical context can mean different things. And in your bible quote, it’s definitely not talking about soul salvation. As soul salvation is a gift from God :-)

      • Ron Murphy says:

        KJV Bible there, Mark. You are unstable, brother, fighting the Holy Word of God!!! You Show your true colors , now.

        • Mark says:

          Oh, so now your saying that using Strong’s concordance is evil? Unlike you, I don’t always take things on the surface, I research original text meaning ;-)

          P.S. You’d be surprised at what amazing new stuff you learn with in-depth bible study :-)

          • Ron Murphy says:

            All that was said, was pure 100% Bible. So you are calling the Bible a lie. I’m just saying calling the Bible a lies is evil, Mark. The trouble is you don’t honor God’s word. Now , Mark if I error in speaking what Paul wrote then take it up with him. I’m just repeating what I’ve read. Now what is it that you are trying to do?

          • Mark says:

            Ron, all I was doing is explaining terms usage, that’s not calling the bible a lie.. geesh! :-(

            But I can state that your implied interpretation of the bible is in error :-)

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Interpretation was Paul’s not mine. You come against God, Mark not me.

          • Mark says:

            No Ron, Paul’s meaning is NOT yours :-)

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Mark, I quoted Paul. How could his meaning not be his?

          • Mark says:

            Ron, I know you quoted Paul, but your intended interpretation is wrong :-(

            Why? Because you arbitrarily use such scripture to try and prove that Christian salvation is conditional. Anyway, you need to read what NTEB states on such things :-)

            The Eternal Security Of The Believer

          • (1 Timothy 4:1 KJV) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

          • Mark says:

            1Cr 3:15 KJV – If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
            1Cr 5:5 KJV – To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

            Christians can lose fellowship, but not son-ship :-)

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Mark I quoted Paul and you rebuke me, for doing so. Now, you take the scripture for what it says to you and I do the same. God will tell us what is right. Now that Greek you gave matches right up with what I call good old saving grace salvation. Now If you are going to take and make an argument out of me just quoting a scripture , then you got some serious problems going on there. NTEB is not the authority , God’s word is the authority. Yes salvation is a free gift and on that God is able to keep that gift for us. but it does in no way mean we can not lose it or throw it away. Your predestined doctrine won’t stand on judgment day.

            Luk_8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

            1Ti_3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

            Heb_6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

            2Pe_1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
            2Pe_3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

            Mat_7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

            Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

            Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

            Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

            Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
            Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

            Rev 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
            Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

            Rev 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

            Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

            Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

            Mat 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
            Mat 13:20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
            Mat 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
            This is what I say when I tell you young Christian to read God word to get rooted into it, BO!this was for you, Brother.

            Mat 13:22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

            Mat_7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

          • The bible shows actually evidence of many people who threw their salvation away. Where is this located you ask? Allow me to show you what those bible colleges or other pastors and preachers did not. :)

            (1 Timothy 1:19 KJV) Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

            So they had faith and put it away and made it shipwreked. Thus the next verse says they were turned over to satan. They were once saved but lost it.

            (1 Timothy 1:20 KJV) Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

            If you have been turned over to satan then obviously you do not have God.

            Here is another Example of a man that lost his salvation in the bible.

            His Departure:
            (2 Timothy 4:10 KJV) For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.

            (1 John 2:15 KJV) Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

            It is apparent that Demas was a believer, and then turned to the world.

            The Prodigal Son

            His Salvation:
            (Luke 15:11 KJV) And he said, A certain man had two sons:
            (Luke 15:12 KJV) And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.

            It is apparent that the son was an heir, a son, etc…and therefore must have been saved in the Christian sense.  To inherit a portion of the Kingdom of God evidently means that you’re saved.

            His Departure and return again
            (Luke 15:24 KJV) For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
            (Luke 15:32 KJV) It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

            To be “dead” and “lost” can mean no other thing than to be “dead” and “lost”.  The word “Dead” same word used in Ephesians 2:1 and 2:5.  Read them!  Also notice the words that the father said. “alive again”. Yes, it is possible to die, and come back to life spiritually.

            SIMON

            His Salvation:
            (Acts 8:13 KJV) Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

            His Departure:
            (Acts 8:18 KJV) And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
            (Acts 8:19 KJV) Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
            (Acts 8:20 KJV) But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
            (Acts 8:21 KJV) Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
            (Acts 8:22 KJV) Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
            (Acts 8:23 KJV) For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.

            According to paul, Simon would have perished with his money.  His heart wasn’t right in the sight of God, AND, he had NOT been forgiven yet, for Paul would not have told him to ask for forgiveness. And the fact that he was in the bond of iniquity, indicates that he was enslaved to sin.  (see 2 Peter 2:20)
            (Matthew 7:21 KJV) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
            (Matthew 7:22 KJV) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
            (Matthew 7:23 KJV) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

            And of course Unamed people losing their salvation is also in scripture

            Their Salvation/Departure:
            (2 Timothy 2:17 KJV) And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
            (2 Timothy 2:18 KJV) Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

            Hymenaeus and Philetus were teaching a false doctrine about the resurrection and destroying the faith of the believers!  This not only tells us that our faith can be destroyed (overthrown), but also that sin is not the only way to negate your salvation.

            Widows

            Their Salvation/Departure:
            (1 Timothy 5:11 KJV) But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry;
            (1 Timothy 5:12 KJV) Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.
            (1 Timothy 5:15 KJV) For some are already turned aside after Satan.

            The younger widows should marry lest they are tempted to commit adultery and heap upon themselves damnation!

            Their Salvation/Departure:
            (1 Timothy 6:8 KJV) And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
            (1 Timothy 6:9 KJV) But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
            (1 Timothy 6:10 KJV) For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

            Verse 9, they drowned in destruction. This is the same “destruction” used in Matthew 7:13 pertaining exactly to Hell.  Verse 10, “they have erred from the faith”. You cannot “err from the faith” unless you are in the faith to begin with.

            OK ONE LAST EXAMPLE OF LOSING SALVATION IN THE BIBLE. GODS WORDS NOT MINE

            1 Timothy 3:1-5 contains various requirements for the office of Bishop in the Church.
            (1 Timothy 3:6 KJV) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

            A young believer should not be given the office of Bishop in the Church of God lest he become prideful of it.  This pride can bring upon him condemnation.

            There are many more examples. This is what happens when you listen to mans teaching and not Gods. The funny thing is you will go right back to your preachers and ask them rather then consulting with God in prayer and searching his word. Simply understanding these simple yet very clear examples should have you fearing God enough to worry about teaching incorrect doctrine and how serious it can be. Because you put yourself and others salvation at risk. Thats what me and Ron are trying to show you. This is also another reason why you should verify what you have been taught and if it lines up with ALL of Gods word and not just parts of his word. Hope this helps, all straight from Gods word. Of course there will be plenty of people who just write off what we show you in Gods word. If your willing to play with your soul and others souls salvation then May God have mercy on you. The interesting thing is this, scripture has said this is what will happen. Hope your hearing the warning from God in this scripture verse.

            (Matthew 7:21 KJV) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
            (Matthew 7:22 KJV) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
            (Matthew 7:23 KJV) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

            Hope this helps God Bless

          • Mark says:

            See my above post to DC, Ron ;-)

            Anyway, the point of grace salvation is that it can’t be lost. Else it would be no better than before. Jesus paid the price for sin once and for all in this long age of grace.

            Why don’t you read what NTEB has to say in salvation matters? http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/

            Instead of continually spewing nonsense. :-(

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Jesus was the sacrifice, that was the price bit is up to us to accept it and to hold fast to it, Yes it is much better than before. But you are not promised salvation if you don’t obey God.

          • Mark says:

            Sorry Ron, but that concept puts salvation under works NOT grace :-(

            Eph 2:5 KJV – Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
            Eph 2:8 KJV – For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:
            it is the gift of God:
            2Ti 1:9 KJV – Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

            P.S. Almost everything you post here is warped :-(

          • Gods word is nonesense now lol May the Lord have mercy on you child. I am praying for you.

          • Mark says:

            No, Gods word is truth, but your twisting of it is nonsense! What! Praying for me to convert?

          • I have seen it , thus the reason for my comment from straight out of Gods word to you. :)

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Christian salvation is conditional, very much so. The Bible is completely full of such people, that fall from the grace of God.

          • Mark says:

            Do you Ron claim yourself sin free? If so, then you had better re-consider your thinking ;-)…

            Rom 3:23 KJV – For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

            Rom 3:9 KJV – What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

            Rom 3:20 KJV – Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

            Rom 5:12 KJV – Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

            Gal 3:22 KJV – But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

            1Jo 1:8-10 KJV – If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

            1Jo 2:1 KJV – My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

            P.S. Maybe you should abandon Club Fable, and join the NTEB bible school of thought? :-)

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Yes I’m sin free by the blood of the Lamb he has washed me clean, and made me sin free. Now if I dirty my garment then I must once again return to that fountain to be washed. If I dirty my garment an don’t have it washed and I die then I
            can not trade it for white raiment.

            Rev 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
            Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

          • Mark says:

            Ron, let me remind you, that you are only sin free if you commit zero sin. And so far you are guilty as charged below :-(

            Jam 2:8 KJV – If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
            Jam 2:9 KJV – But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
            Jam 2:10 KJV – For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

            P.S. You fable folk are like the Jewish leaders :-(

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Mark I have no respect of person, I have respect of truth. You don’t know me well enough to judge me.

          • Mark says:

            You most certainly do cast judgment on others Ron :-(

            P.S. I know you plenty well enough to see the evidence! Many here don’t like you and clan.

          • The problem your having Mark is not knowing all the verses tied with what your claiming.

            (Galatians 3:22 KJV) But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

            Now all you need to do is read more scripture to find out what it means to believe and have faith in Jesus Christ and what enduring in that faith to the end means. Be it the end of your life on earth or the end of the world. Many of those verses we have listed over and over. Your getting there Mark, when you stop singling out verses in the bible to fit your theology. Then you will be much closer to understanding.

            The bible does not contradict itself and just about every subject matter you bring up, brings up a contradiction in the bible as Ron and I are showing you. Again this comes from reading one verse and basing your own made up doctrine off of it rather then letting Gods word speak for itself, God didn’t give us just one verse, or just a couple of verses, He gave us many verses and not one of them contradicts the others. Based on your once saved always saved theology it is in contradiction of a lot of bible. You have once again fallen into the trap of omitting yourself from large sections of Gods word.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            1Jn_3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
            1Jn_3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
            1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Mark you completely took that out of context.

            Rom 3:20 KJV – Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

            Paul was referring to the law not grace.
            It’s by grace I’m free from sin. Not by law. For under law I am guilty. But by grace am I clean.
            Mark you are not even comprehending what Paul was saying about salvation, how can you understand prophecy? You need to be taught, not teach.

          • Mark says:

            No Ron, I posted in context. But you obviously live by law NOT grace. If you lived by grace, you would be free. But you and clan are still under bondage :-(

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Paul was saying you are not justified by the law, we must be justified by grace. But evidently you don’t understand Paul.

          • Mark says:

            Ron, on the contrary, I know full well Paula message :-)

            Yes we are justified by Gods grace (his kindness), through faith (blind belief) in God. Nothing complicated about that aspect that I can see? ;-)

            P.S. We can complicate, or keep things simple ;-)

          • I don’t like Paula. She is a racist!
            Exactly we are saved by grace we both see that much, So why make it complicated. But even with that you can serve the Lord and then change your mind and decide not to serve him any long and fall from grace. It’s not His fault, it’s yours if you decide not to walk with Him any longer.

          • Mark says:

            Missed typo.. spell checker error? ;-) Yes I agree, Paula Abdul is racist, plus an unbeliever.

            We fall from Gods grace (fellowship) when we sin, when we seek justification by law NOT faith.. ongoing issue. :-(

            Gal 5:4 KJV – Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

            P.S. We don’t lose our gifted salvation hope, but we definitely do lose fellowship with God when we sin. And all honest Christians are admitted sinners. Maybe not every moment in our lives, but we all are still subject unto sin temptation till death or rapture.

            Sin has a multitude of faces too. The obvious sins being; crime (all kinds), sex (unholy), drugs (illegal), booze (drunken), gluttony, etc.

            The subtle sins being; conceit (highminded), scoffing (mockery), anger (uncontrolled), malice, bitterness (), contentions, etc. These latter and more being quite common in the Christian realm, even during Paul’s era…

            Rom 13:13 KJV – Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife [2054] and envying.

            1Cr 3:3 KJV – For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife [2054], and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

            2Cr 12:20 KJV – For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates [2054], envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:

            And sadly the sin hold will not be broken until the resurrection fixes things I’m afraid. :-(

          • What on Gods green earth are you talking about Mark.

            Ron Paul isn’t even in the bible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Mark says:

            Did I say Ron Paul, DC? Did you not notice the comma between Ron, and Paul? You must be blind, or need to go back to grammer school :-(

          • Yes you did say Ron Paul, yes there was a comma.

            Still doesn’t change the fact that Ron Paul is not in the bible Mark. :)

          • Mark says:

            You obviously missed the comma DC, which separates words, and now you are trying to justify yourself? :-(

            DC, and Ron, Paul is indeed in the bible :-)

          • No justifying is needed I made a statement and that statement is true. For all to see :)

          • Mark says:

            You folk just love bible battles don’t you?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Not at all, we just desire to tell the truth.

          • Mark says:

            The only truth you tell is what you think is truth ;-)

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Amen, Mark. I really do believe in it.

  71. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
    Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
    Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

    Now why was this sweet in John’s mouth and bitter in his belly? it is symbolic that this Revelation was sweet as hearing all the faithful get great rewards and being with the Lord forever, but bitter to deal with on the reality of the effects of going through great tribulation. And also that this was not just for Jews but for all.

  72. On a lighter note, crop circles (the modern very intricate ones) are caused by bored satellite technicians programming designs into space-based MASER (microwave/laser) weapons designed to shoot down incoming missiles. It takes all of about 30 seconds to burn one of these babies.

  73. (most scientists that have analyzed crop circle damage agree that some type of microwave energy is bending the stalks)

  74. Ron Murphy says:

    Yes, any work of the devil to cause confusion in this time of decision.

    Joe_3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.

  75. These idiots certainly could be inspired by demons to do this,
    or they are simply bored out of their minds waiting for someone to fire a missile at us!

  76. You know guys ,I visit this site looking for usefull CHRISTIAN INFO, im starveing to death
    God help you people, im gone.

    • I know the feeling.

    • Mark says:

      Sorry you must depart DM :-( Btw the site itself has much good Christian info, but the blog thing seems to be a joke. Anyway, feel free to check out my new page if you want. It’s linked now in my name ;-)

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Yes , Dane, crop circles are not much food. They have absolutely nothing to do will Bible prophecy or Bible at all.

      • Dane, what in the world has become of you. He wasn’t trying to be smart or anything. Sounds like you have issues, and you need to talk to God about it, before you judge in error.

        Lord, if this is Christian -like, God help us all!!

        • Luk 18:7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
          Luk 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

        • Remember your place WOMEN , I spoke to your man, not you.

          • DM what in the world has come over you. I have never seen you like this at all ever, not once.

            Ron only said he was sorry to see you depart from us. Meaning he was sad about you leaving as we always enjoyed your dialogue.

            He was agreeing with what you had said in that someone else went off on a tangent of crop circles and thought thats why you were upset and then was agreeing that crop circles aren’t in Gods word.

            I am not sure what you think Ron was saying but it was nothing bad at all to you.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Dane, I thought you were referring to the subject at the time. That it was the previous comment where about. If I misspoke, I’m sorry for misunderstanding you. Now, I don’t no where I hurt you , but it was not intended at you. Sometimes the word of God cuts every one. I’m not excluded. It is to help us all, and cuts the bands off us to make us free. Sometimes it’s not comfortable to be set free, but it does help us grow. We all have things to learn, no one is perfected. Some of us have a calling of God, others have gifts, to each his own. Let us not envy one another, or let us not think to highly of ourselves. We are, after all, God’s children. Some serve, some grow some die, some are born. We are not each other’s enemy. It is satan who has divided us. Let’s work together for the glory of God, that the enemy is defeated.

  77. The 4 seal of the book of Revelation.

    Rev 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
    Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
    These are part of the great multitude seen in Rev. 7:9
    These are the saint that are beginning to be martyred in the tribulation period that started in the 3rd seal, the black horseman is the antichrist as he comes back from the deadly wound to the head and receives the power of satan and starts the mark of the beast. The mark is signified in the pair of balances in his hand and the wheat and the barley if you have the mark to be able to by them. As noted the deaths described here are those that Christian martyrs have been killed with before. Most will be beheaded, some will starve, some will be fed to the beast of the field. These 7 seals are in order of end time events coming to us every soon. But where do we find evidence of these things happening in scripture? The very next seal, that’s where.

    Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
    Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
    Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
    So now we see that tribulation isn’t quite over with just yet. This whole tribulation is also deplicted in the 13th chapter of Revelation, just more proof the it is not in chronological order. It can also be seen rounding out in chapter 14 of Revelation, just as it is here in the 5th seal.

    Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
    Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

    Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
    So, we see the great blessing offered to those that die in the Lord near the end of tribulation, Why? Well just think about it, if we live through the most part of tribulation and endure the suffering and then give our lives up then the rewards will be greater than those that just died at the first.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Sorry, that was me on that study. If missed the name change. :)

    • Ron Murphy says:

      It would appear the white ropes are given to just the martyrs. Of coarse the angels of God have them , too. but as far as mankind only the martyrs are seen in scripture wearing the white raiment. That is evident through out the entire book of Revelation. And the Patience, wow every time it speaks of it, it refers to dying.

  78. Ron Murphy says:

    My Brothers and Sister, Don’t let fear over take you , God is with us, He said I’ll never leave you or forsake you. Just as Stephen was being stone to death he seen Jesus watching him as he pasted on and his soul went straight under the altar at God’s throne. You see if you lay down your life for God it is a great honor, with great rewards. Don’t let others tell you, you must suffer persecution because you wasn’t good enough to go in the rapture. That is not what the Bible teaches. It teaches that if you lay down you life freely then you attain life quicker than all the dead that ever lived upon the earth. And only those that does this will reign with Christ for the 1000 years to come.

    Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

  79. Ron Murphy says:


    Mark:

    Sorry Ron, but that concept puts salvation under works NOT grace
    Eph 2:5 KJV – Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
    Eph 2:8 KJV – For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:
    it is the gift of God:
    2Ti 1:9 KJV – Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
    P.S. Almost everything you post here is warped

    LOL :)

    • Mark FAITH which worketh by LOVE!!!! Those kinds of comments AREN’T LOVE!!!

      (Galatians 5:6 KJV) For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but FAITH which worketh by LOVE.

      Love = Faith = Grace.

      I am praying for you Mark.

      • Mark says:

        DC, did Jesus or Paul show love to their accusers? :-(

        Mat 23:27 KJV – Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.
        Act 23:3 KJV – Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law?

        P.S. Neither need I show love to my accusers :-)

        • Paul was not in the wrong and neither was Jesus, and they knew it. But you on the other hand don’t know, Mark. So that in it’s self is foolish.

          • Mark says:

            Brenda, maybe I was a bit harsh, so please forgive?

            However attacking others set beliefs benefits no one really. As witnesses unto our faith we share knowledge. And if others don’t want it, we simply wipe off the dust and move on.

            We don’t relentlessly try to convince the same folk into our camp. We are not to be like common pestering salesmen. We are rather admonished to present our message with love :-)

          • We have wiped off the dust with you and moved on. However you still continue to teach things that go directly against scripture in an open environment. So we continue to post what Gods word actually say as we are obligated to rebuke you. :)

          • Mark says:

            No, you have NOT wiped off the dust, as proven here. And I will certainly continue posting against your sorry wishes unto what I believe in. So just get used to it :-)

            P.S. You may post your passion, just lay off mine!

  80. In this verse it is clear that you receive grace and are saved THROUGH FAITH.

    (Ephesians 2:8 KJV) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

    In this verse FAITH IS A WORK!!!!!!!!!

    (1 Thessalonians 1:3 KJV) Remembering without ceasing your WORK of FAITH, and LABOUR OF LOVE, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

    In this verse Faith worketh by love!!!!

    (Galatians 5:6 KJV) For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but FAITH which worketh by LOVE.

    Examples:

    (John 14:23 KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

    (John 14:21 KJV) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

    (John 14:23 KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

    (John 14:24 KJV) He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.

    (James 2:5 KJV) Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in FAITH, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that LOVE him?

    (James 2:17 KJV) Even so FAITH, IF IT HATH NOT WORKS,********* is dead, being alone.*********

    (James 2:18 KJV) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

    This next verse says you are no different then the devils that believe by saying you believe there is only one God.

    (James 2:19 KJV) Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

    (James 2:20 KJV) But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

    (James 2:21 KJV) Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
    (James 2:22 KJV) Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and BY WORKS WAS HIS FAITH MADE PERFECT?

    (James 2:26 KJV) For as the body without the spirit is dead, SO FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD ALSO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Read that verse again and understand that grace does not come unto you without FAITH

    (Ephesians 2:8 KJV) For by grace are ye saved through faith;…….”

    (James 2:26 KJV) For as the body without the spirit is dead, SO FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD ALSO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Hope you hear and abide in his words, sayings, and doctrine. This I pray for you.

    (2 John 1:9 KJV) Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, HATH NOT GOD. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

    I am urgently, diligently praying for you. Hear these words, listen to them and understand them.

    • I get it perfectly. Your under the belief that you can walk into some random church and praise the Lord and say you believe and thats it. You can leave and go out into the world and do all that is against God including twist his words and teach those twisted words to others causing people to lose their faith as well.

      You can curse anyone who corrects you using just Gods words to show you are wrong. Lash out in hate, malice towards others that show you that you are wrong. I get it perfectly Mark it is you who do not get it and it is the Lord showing you that through is words not us. We are merely the messengers of his word.

      • Mark says:

        We aren’t saved by going to church DC. We are saved by confessing Jesus Christ as our savior :-)

        Correction: You folk are merely messengers of deception :-)

        • Again your saying we cannot lose our salvation. Lets look at another verse once again proving your going directly against what GOD says.

          Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

          Well sure looks like GOD himself said you can lose your salvation right there and many many other places that we have shown. May God Have Mercy On You Mark

          • Mark says:

            All I can say DC, is you sure know how to twist the bible unto your wacky beliefs :-(

            P.S. If one could lose Christian salvation, why bother believing in the first place? The Jews struggled with the law for years, not being able to abide by it continually.

            So God changed things with a new and better covenant, and yet still many Christians put themselves under judgment of the law. Do this, don’t do that, or your going to hell. And the judgment yoke is so tight that one tiny fatal sin slip (idle word even) left unchecked equals eternal damnation.

            My friend that concept means that the majority of believers are possibly hell bound, including yourself. You can’t possibly be assured of being sin free at the moment of your death, as you can’t predict the future!

  81. FAITH is a WORK, you have NO GRACE without FAITH, and FAITH WORKETH BY LOVE.

    FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!! God Bless.

    Gods words not mine. May peace be unto you and may your work in FAITH continue so that you may know GRACE.

    • (Matthew 24:13 KJV) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

    • Mark says:

      Nay DC, faith is NOT works.. you just don’t get it do you? :-(

      Hbr 11:1 KJV – Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

      Basically faith is blind belief, which is the root of Christianity.. is it not? ;-)

      P.S. No wonder you’re still held by chains of the law :-(

      • Lol I am not under the law, I just proved to you with scripture though certain facts that you omit yourself from based on only what you and others pick and choose to believe. I recommend to all that they read their bibles (Gods Word). You however recommend people to your links or other peoples links with lots of corrupted theology.

        I said faith IS A WORK. As God says not me you again you just made a fool out of yourself.

        (1 Thessalonians 1:3 KJV) Remembering without ceasing your WORK of FAITH, and LABOUR OF LOVE, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

        • If you keep acting and lashing out in the childish manner that you are, you will only move further and further away from the Lord and it is showing the more you speak.

          • Mark says:

            I guess I’m finally contracting STL syndrome Ron :-(

          • Ron Murphy says:

            You might not believe this, Mark but we were just thinking that same thing. :)
            Forgiven, Brother. God Bless you! Brenda and I wouldn’t want to ever hurt you, friend. We consider you our brother in Christ.

          • Mark says:

            I guess it was only a matter of time Ron ;-)

            Likewise you’re both forgiven, brethren :-)

            P.S. As Christians we all really should stand in harmony. Unfortunately such will not likely happen till full prophetic understanding is gained at least. And I honestly believe that may well occur at temple time. When that holy event occurs, the whole Christian world will wake up. Realizing that bible prophecy isn’t as the church pulpits told them. But just a thought ;-)

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Just a thought, but a great one at that. I agree.

          • Mark says:

            The rise of the third temple would be the first modern clearly visible and evident proof of ancient bible prophecy being fulfilled ;-)

            Below is excerpt from my page disclaimer note.

            Unlike common materialistic literature, the bible is an extreme spiritual book, and therefore must be understood in that light! And nothing is set in stone and won’t be until the Lord returns. However as enter the final church age, there will be a great revival of knowledge. In other words, once the third temple rises, the many churches will unite as one holy entity. In fact the absence of the temple is what keeps us divided, not church doctrine. But that temple will never rise as long as the enemy is present. And that’s where the next big holy war falls into play. From that future war will emerge the hour of peace. And during that hour is when the then united church revival occurs. How do I know all this to be true? Because the Lord has revealed it unto me in these dark and confusing latter times!

        • Mark says:

          You most certainly put yourself under the law judgment DC. How? Because you fear for your own salvation, ignoring the fact that Jesus fully paid the price for it. :-(

          Faith equals belief! How can belief be a work? Works are deeds, NOT thoughts. Belief is thought in and of itself. When acted upon it then becomes a work. ;-)

          P.S. I present here what I feel is relevant information :-)

          • I do not fear my salvation at all whatsoever because unlike you I am abiding in the doctrine of Christ. :)

            Again I gave you the scripture verse you just don’t like reading the.

            By the way to teach that someone can not lose their salvation goes against scripture. AS SEEN again in these verses:

            (Revelation 3:5 KJV) ….He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

            The Lord speaks no idle words. He would not have said that your name can be blotted out of the BOOK OF LIFE (book of life=SALVATION) if it could not. Anyone who teaches otherwise is going directly against Gods word.

            Anything you say to the contrary of that is against GOD and his word. As always I am praying for you. God Be With You.

          • Mark says:

            I guess well just have to agree to disagree DC :-(

          • Again there is no agreeing to disagree in the bible.

            Not biblical at all. For or Against Gods word.
            So your on your own there.

            (Matthew 12:30 KJV) He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

            (1 John 2:4 KJV) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, IS A LIAR, and the truth is not in him.

          • Mark says:

            Does everything have to be bible with you DC? :-(

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Faith is an act, an act of believing. it is a work.

            Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
            Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
            Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
            Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
            Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
            Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
            Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
            Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
            Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
            Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
            Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
            Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

  82. Ron Murphy says:

    I love you, Mark. Love is a work. I would that you would come to the knowledge of the truth. I’m praying for you. You are close. You just need to let the Lord guide you to it.

    Amen, D City. Love=Faith=Work=Grace
    Faith + love=Peace=Joy

    1Jn_4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

    The Lord always knows just what we need, Praise His name! Peter was a man of great faith, only he could walk on the water with the Lord. But Peter lacked the love he needed to be strong in the Lord. So the Lord let him fall hard when he denied Him three times. It brought Peter down and broke his hardened heart. Now John on the other Hand was a man of almost perfect love. John wrote more on the subject of love, out of them all. But his faith was not as strong as Peters. But over time John’s faith became strong in the Lord as he walked with Him the more. Because of John’s great love, I believe the Lord let him live to a good old age, unlike all the others. We need to strive for Love, It is even great than faith. Love will develop into faith.

    1Jn_4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

    1Jn_3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

    1Jn_2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

    1Co_13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

    • Mark says:

      Ron, if you loved me, you would be kind to me.. but NOT :-(

      1Jo 3:18 KJV – My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

      P.S. Making false accusations is NOT love in the least :-(

      • I am kind to you Mark. But that doesn’t mean I have to agree with your nonsense. I’m not cussing you like a sailor. I have never made false accusations, Mark. If you say to people don’t worry we can take the mark of the beast it won’t hurt us, we are saved then you are not saved but work for the devil.

        • don’t worry we can take the mark of the beast it won’t hurt us

          ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
          Where did he say that, I’d like to read it.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Post 213 of this blog , Mark W. Here and before also. He has said it, at least twice.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            I don’t know that this chip is the mark or not, but we as Christians need to stick together and fight this thing, they are forcing on us. I do believe this will help them get people adjusted to acceptance of the mark. But If it is the Mark many may take it early to be dammed forever. I’ll starve first.

          • Mark says:

            I do believe the RFID is the mark. Not from guessing either, but from research into matter. RFID = Radio Frequency Identification Device. Such a thing could easily be used to enslave the populace, control the economy, and our lives. :-(

            Anyway, the people will be damned because they will be total slaves unto the NWO system. And the elite have every intention to control the world. In fact, it’s clearly written in the Georgia stone monolith (10 commandments), their future vision, their new age utopia. :-( From my studies in matter…

            Georgia Guidestones

            A very controversial structure, The Georgia Guidestones have been referred to as instructions to form a New World Order, and accused of having satanic origins and of being tied to the Antichrist.

            On one of the highest hilltops in Elbert County, Georgia stands a huge granite monument. Engraved in eight different languages on the four giant stones that support the common capstone are 10 Guides, or commandments. That monument is alternately referred to as The Georgia Guidestones, or the American Stonehenge. Though relatively unknown to most people, it is an important link to the Occult Hierarchy that dominates the world in which we live.

            Written on the Georgia Guidestones are these ten desires of the New World Order:

            THE MESSAGE OF THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES

            1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
            2. Guide reproduction wisely – improving fitness and diversity.
            3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
            4. Rule passion – faith – tradition – and all things with tempered reason.
            5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
            6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
            7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
            8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
            9. Prize truth – beauty – love – seeking harmony with the infinite.
            10. Be not a cancer on the earth – Leave room for nature.

            Limiting the population of the earth to 500 million will require the extermination of nine-tenths of the world’s people. The American Stonehenge’s reference to establishing a world court foreshadows the current move to create an International Criminal Court and a world government. The Guidestones’ emphasis on preserving nature anticipates the environmental movement of the 1990s, and the reference to “seeking harmony with the infinite” reflects the current effort to replace Judeo-Christian beliefs with a new spirituality.

            P.S. This is why the great tribulation will prevail :-(


          • Mark:

            P.S. They may require RFID in hospitals in 2014, but who really knows. I certainly wouldn’t worry about it though. We can’t lose your souls anyway, as we are children of God

        • Mark says:

          Brenda, chill out girl! Please read my latest post to Ron on love matter. Honestly, the ‘mark of the beast’ is only speculation at this point. And therefore getting RFID chipped now, is a bit irrelevant in a sense?

          However I do believe it won’t be once the NWO is fully established. Personally I don’t like the chip idea one bit, as it only further enslaves. Plus I don’t like the idea of being under total surveillance. Not to mention having a foreign object embedded under my skin {ugh!}. :-(


        • Mark:

          P.S. They may require RFID in hospitals in 2014, but who really knows. I certainly wouldn’t worry about it though. We can’t lose your souls anyway, as we are children of God

          Agreed Brenda and Ron I am with you !!! Anyone telling people they can take the mark of the beast and not worry about their salvation is definitely working for the devil. Going directly against Gods word. We do not know if that is the mark of the beast , we do not know that is not and we do not know that it will or will not be. Regardless is its against Gods word to even hit at a suggestion of any type of thing.

          THIS IS DANGEROUS TERRITORY

          (Revelation 14:9 KJV) And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If ANY MAN worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
          (Revelation 14:10 KJV) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

  83. Ron Murphy says:

    Gal_5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
    Fruit comes forth by works
    So Paul is saying that the works of the Spirit = love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, and faith.

    • Mark says:

      Ron, everything you say is rote words only, and there is absolutely no love in your words even. Btw I know full well what Paul states above, but it is not what you folk profess. I don’t know what your trip is dude, but it in no way is presenting Gods love here. Rather you seem bent on causing needless fear by your endless fables?

      Getting believers to fear the future tribulation and salvation hope lost. Neither of which yields any benefit to new or old Christians. But you folk don’t see the error of your ways, even when we shove it in your faces. :-(

  84. Ron Murphy says:

    You don’t even understand the meaning of love, Mark.
    If I understand and know what the future holds, and I didn’t warn you of it, you would consider me an enemy. But if I tell you the truth of what is getting ready to happen, then you consider me an enemy as well. So with you, because I warn you, I am your enemy. That is your choice, Mark and the choice of others that hear me. But because I love you, I dare not hold my tongue. I will warn you, because I love you. Now Mark, you should know what my trip is. I tell you not to fear. But be spiritually ready for a storm coming soon. It’s all in the Bible. It will be manifested. It will happen.

    • Mark says:

      Ron, I fully understand the meaning of love. And I understand your ‘saving others from the fire’ intentions. Nor do I consider you the enemy per se. But I do get extremely irritated at the constant badgering at my contrary posts. :-(

      You (and clan) really need to be more understanding of the contrary group. We believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, and will continue in such belief, as long as we see evidence of it in the bible. And from my in-depth studies it does seem to be the case, though it’s not up-front by any means. ;-)

  85. GUYS! Get a room.

    Please :)

  86. Ron Murphy says:

    Mark, I would not want to take away your beliefs and give you something that you don’t like. that is not my intentions, Brother. You have just as much right to believe your way as I do and say what you think as I do. no beef with me on that one. If you choose to believe in a certain doctrine then that is clearly up to you. The beef I have with you is you telling others it’s okay to take the chip, we can’t do wrong., because to me you are sending people to hell, and you don’t even consider your actions. And another thing is you are trying to teach instead of discussing the things you admit yourself you are not sure of. Mark I can say I’m 100% sure I know we will not see rapture before tribulation. But if people want to believe otherwise then that is their prerogative. I have no beef with them. It is when they come just under my statement and condemn my post that I must stand and fight for the truth. It is clearly your choice to contend. And if you do then don’t ask for understanding, because you didn’t give any. I will continue to warn others of the thing that are about to happen to this world because whether we get raptured out or not it will still be needed for some. I will do my best to avoid your post unless they are to me or Brenda, unless I see you badgering one of the young Christians trying to learn, let them hear it both ways and they can choose. Maybe then we can have some peace if you prefer. God bless you, Mark. May His light be in your favor.

    • DRONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      That terminator is out there!!!!!!!!!

    • Mark says:

      Ron, we need to remember that this is an open forum, and with seemingly no rules? Anyway, regarding the RFID chip, it’s only yet speculation. Nor does it hold any real power yet, and it won’t until tribulation begins.

      As for the rapture, likewise yet future. We will know more when third temple rises. But I’m pretty certain there won’t be peace before war? The Muslim faction are the kink in the hose. And they are not going to budge an inch by politics alone. Agreed?

      As for teaching, I only teach as I learn. That’s why I created the new web page, to help me learn, and as an organized teaching platform. I’m finding many parallels with bible prophecy and world events. These may not seem of interest to you, but they are of value to me. They help me get a clearer picture as to these end times we live in. And I desire to share my findings with any interested parties.

      P.S. Likewise I will try to avoid butting into your posts ;-)

      • Ron Murphy says:

        You can take it if you want , Mark but to tell others to take it is wrong. And only a wolf would tell people to do that.

        • Mark says:

          I’m no wolf Ron, of that you can rest assured. However my beliefs are obviously different than yours overall. And I only teach what I believe will be of value to others. Like you folk do in your teachings ;-)

          • Your beliefs are different then the bibles. Mark

            As we have proven.

          • STL says:

            DC: you base the scriptures on your opinions, instead basing your opinions on scriptures?

            And its only by your testimony that it has been proven, I do not see any other people as NTEB staff, except Ron and Brenda agrees with your testimony, so how can we believe its the truth?

            Then we would have to consider it as lay evidence, as hear say?

            So you have no grounds to have your testimony, stating its the truth?

            So DC, Mark’s beliefs are not different than Bible Scriptures, because you have not proven by your testimony that its the truth?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Your testimony does not go with scripture, Pastor , you totally omit scripture, or you say it is spiritual to make it work, for example, Rev. 20:4-6.

            Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
            Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
            Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
            You have to make all kinds of excuses for this passage to bend it to your knowledge and understanding. You cannot take it literally because it won’t fit your doctrine. So in doing so you have to change nearly the entire Bible around to make it work. And you do this instead of accepting the scripture for what it’s actually saying. Why don’t you just accept it for what it is and go from there, no matter how hard it cuts against your own understanding. If you rely on your own understanding, then you will not learn anything. That is why we see things so clearly. We take the Bible for what it says. We don’t add to or take away, or try to change it. If it says something, we accept it, and are given other things to accept, that we might learn deeper and deeper, the things of God. You, on the other hand bind yourself from learning because you reject the truth to begin with, so by doing so, the Spirit can not lead you to truth. You can not learn truth built upon a false foundation. You bind the Spirit of Truth, by not loving the truth.

          • Because none of what I say is coming from me STL.

            When God says you can be blotted out of the book of life I BELIEVE HE MEANS IT. If you choose not to believe God well thats your choice. God does not speak idle words and your name would not be stated to be blotted out of the book of life if it wasn’t in there to begin with. The Lord is very direct in saying you can lose your salvation whether you like it or not.

            (Revelation 3:5 KJV) ….He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

            (Revelation 22:19 KJV) And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

            The Lord speaks no idle words. He would not have said that your name can be blotted out of the BOOK OF LIFE (book of life=SALVATION) if it could not. Anyone who teaches otherwise is going directly against Gods word.

            (2 Thessalonians 1:8 KJV) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

            Above there are two kinds of people. Those who know not God and those that Know God but obey not the gospel. Both get the same!!!

            (1 John 2:4 KJV) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, IS A LIAR, and the truth is not in him.

            (Matthew 12:30 KJV) He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            It’s good to know. Little Brother, just be careful what you encourage others to do. I don’t want you to be blamed. I believe your intentions are good. God know that. Bless you, Mark.

          • Mark says:

            Oh Ron, I’d never intentionally deceive anyone, it’s just not in my nature. And I try to research as best I can before publicly presenting my beliefs. But of course I’m not perfect, so I can’t guarantee everything I claim is accurate. But my new page helps me connect and sort things out, and mostly just KJV scripture, with a scattering of external links.

            So what inspired the new bible project? I recently saw something sparkle in Revelation 12, regarding the 3 woes, and 7th trumpet. Then I began to logically piece the puzzle together.

            Anyway, the trumpets are yet mystery, and that’s where the third temple enters picture. Which is envisioned in Revelation 11, which also ends the 2nd woe, and begins the 3rd woe, and 7th trumpet. Then in Revelation 12 the 3rd woe is again noted, which appears to express both rapture and tribulation.

            Therefore, the 6th trumpet (war implied) begins the 2nd woe, just as the 5th trumpet (also war implied) began and ended the 1st woe. The 3 woes are a key, as the term implies ‘trouble’. Also the trumpets are time segmented.. i.e. ‘in the days of the seventh angel’.

            Anyway just food for thought, reality determines truth in the end ;-)

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Mark, I can only prove to you not to take Revelation chronologically in order. Some of it is as within the visions, but the visions are given in random, one giving insight to the others. That is what makes it so hard to understand. I can see it in the way that is correct, and I tell you this, if you will look at it in the same light, it makes all of prophecy line up, and that includes the Old Testament Prophets as well. But then again who am I to say such a thing! Wisdom is justified by her children, the proof is in the putting. without acceptance, there is no proof, without proof there is no acceptance. So the circle is turned, but on the way around some will gab ahold, and they shall learn.

          • Mark says:

            Yes I’m well aware of that Ron, but some things are pretty obvious, such as the churches, seals, trumpets, and vials.. i.e. 1-7? Generally, 7 doesn’t precede 1? As for the chapters in-between, I call them interludes, but they do tie into the picture somehow. And I have my thoughts on things ;-)

            In any case, until the third temple rises, we can really only speculate on Revelation. However once the temple rises, we will be able to see that the prior trumpets must have blown or are yet blowing. And from that we can also deduce the same effect with the seals and churches. So in a sense, we will have to yet wait for better understanding ;-)

            Likewise with the OT prophets and NT apostles, etc, they all tie into the prophetic picture somehow. Personally I believe that as Daniel stated though, the vision of the end occurs at the end. And that is when tribulation prevails. But from Daniel 11 declares, the end is all about war. And Daniel 12 states that Gods people will be delivered at tribulation time, but it doesn’t specify exactly when during it.. i.e. ‘and at that time’. By any means though, prophecy study is a challenging game ;-)

            P.S. In all actuality we won’t know the full score till Christ returns to declare it…

            1Cr 13:12 KJV – For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Well, Mark you left out the correct option, the 7 trumpets will blown much later, after tribulation. They are the wrath of God, not the tribulation period. Evidence.
            as you agree the tribulation is the devils game. Okay we see:

            Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
            Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
            Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

            Now, Mark this is God’s doing to hurt the earth. The 5th trumpet is clear evidence that this is poured upon the ones that took the mark of beast. the rapture has already occurred at the sixth seal and this is the seventh seal( 7 trumpets ).
            The sealing of the Jews is so the wrath does not touch them, Rev 7:3.

            Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
            Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
            Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

            Rev 16:10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
            Rev 16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            The 7 trumpets are the wrath of God. That is evident as it’s coming from God.
            So we have tribulation( 3-5 seals), Rapture( 6th seal), and then the wrath(7th seal). Study it out I already have. The 6th seal is the catcher, If He would of said rapture it would of been so clear that the devil wouldn’t have a chance to do his work. Jesus made it clear that the signs in the 6th seal are the same as Matt. 24:29 and He told us that then shall He gather His elect.

          • Mark says:

            Well I don’t see things quite that way Ron, though that view is indeed the popular thought with many nowadays. Actually though, you forget that Revelation is also very symbolic, and that complicates things very much. Same with much of Daniels stuff, and other prophets visions. Some of the riddles in the visions the angels partially revealed, but much is left to the readers wonderment. Especially in Revelation, which only gives a couple of riddle clues in entire book. :-(

            As for the trumpets being Gods wrath, I don’t see where you get that from brother? The trumpets are Gods judgments yes, but they are not called his wrath at all. The vials are called the wrath of God, and as stated in prophecy chapter. ;-)

            P.S. Not all judgments of God are of his wrath, though all of Gods judgments are tribulations. ;-)

          • Ron Murphy says:

            I totally disagree, they are called God’s wrath.

            Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
            Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
            Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

            The very next verse, Mark. Here is proof.

            Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
            Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
            Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            The sealing of the Jews before Wrath comes:

            Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

            The Saints in heaven that came out of tribulation:

            Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
            Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
            Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
            Now we see the 7 trumpets of the wrath follows:

            Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

            tribulation, rapture, wrath.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Now if that isn’t enough then:
            The tribulation:

            Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

            The sealing of the Jews:

            Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.

            The rapture:

            Rev 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

            The wrath of God:

            Rev 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

            Here another one, Armageddon, 7th trumpet and vial:

            Rev 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

            Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
            Rev 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
            Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord
            And of coarse let go to the vials.

            Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
            Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

            Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
            Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            The number of the Horsemen in the 6th trumpet relates to the Battle of Armageddon. The Kingdom of this world stated in Rev 11:15 of the 7th trumpet, reveals the battle of Armageddon won, and He has taken His reign upon the earth.

            These also related together:

            Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
            Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

            Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
            Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

          • Mark says:

            Well if you read Revelation literally page by page, you have things perfect to a tee ;-) However prophecy is often not literal, but symbolic in form. Especially Revelation. Do you really think there will be angels flying in the sky tooting horns? Let me explain symbolism if I may?

            Rev 1:20 KJV – The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

            Stars = angels (spirits)
            Candlesticks = churches

            Note: Basically these 7 churches were in Asia during Johns time. However the spirits of the same churches and more prevail today; hot, cold, etc,

            Now we look at another prophecy, which is also explained by an angel.

            Rev 17:1 KJV – And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
            Rev 17:2 KJV – With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
            Rev 17:3 KJV – So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

            Could you possibly make literal sense out of the above crazy verses? That’s pure symbolism my friend, and Revelation is loaded up to the brim with such insane riddles. I absolutely guarantee it. :-)

            Below the angel deciphers the varied riddle segments for John. (still vague though imo)

            Rev 17:7 KJV – And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

            So we know that the; woman, beast, heads and horns are merely figures representing other things? This is true with most prophecy ;-)

            Rev 17:9 KJV – And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

            Heads = mountains (kingdoms?). 7 continents?

            Rev 17:10 KJV – And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

            Also heads = kings (reigns?), five are fallen (history as of Johns time).

            Rev 17:11 KJV – And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

            Excerpt from the web…

            The Bible speaks of 8 kings. At the time Revelation 17:10-11 was written, 5 kings had come and gone, one was in power, and 2 were yet to come in the future. This is a fascinating teaching in the Word of God, and an important key to understanding Biblical prophecy.

            The kings are world powers throughout history. At present, there have been 6 world powers. These are (in chronological order): Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome.

            We see these different world powers mentioned throughout the Scriptures.

            In the Old Testament, Moses lived during the reign of Egypt as a world power.
            We read about Isaiah during the time of Assyria as a world power.
            Babylon ruled the world during the times of Daniel, Jeremiah and Ezekiel.
            Daniel, Ezra and Nehemiah lived during the times of Medo-Persian power.
            The reign of Greece occurred during the silent years between the Old and New Testaments, when the Septuagint was written (a Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures).
            And finally, we see Rome as a world power during the time of our Lord Jesus Christ throughout the New Testament. It is very interesting to see these 6 world powers mentioned throughout the Scriptures, beginning with Egypt and ending with Rome.
            Rome fell in 486 A.D. and there has been no world power since. The U.S., China and Russia are super powers; but there have been no WORLD powers controlling the entire world since the Roman empire.

            Please note that the 7th empire will NOT be the revived Roman empire. The Bible never says that. The 7th king will be the New World Order. The 8th king will be the Antichrist (Revelation 17:11). We see this monstrosity forming before our very eyes today. There has been much talk in the mainstream newsmedia about the New World Order.
            http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/End%20of%20the%20World/8_kings.htm

            Rev 17:12 KJV – And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

            Horns = 10 kings which rule with the beast

            Rev 17:15 KJV – And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

            Waters = peoples of the world

            Rev 17:18 KJV – And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

            Woman (whore) = great city (America?). Since prior 911 America reigned over the world (global superpower), as we all should know? America is also the seat of the beast (Washington DC), which most folk don’t know.

            Now are you following my drift above, or have I again wasted precious time and effort sadly in trying to explain prophetic logic yet once more?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            He said His word shall not pass away. The reason you don’t have understanding is because you reject the truth. So you are actually saying you literally see it , but you don’t believe it that way, Wow!!

            Yes, I really believe angels will be sounding trumpets literally. I also believe angels will be pouring out vial into the air. I believe the army of the world will gather against Jerusalem upon horses. I take it all literal. I believe God. When He says something, I believe it with all my heart, He doesn’t lie as you assume. Not once in my 50 years of knowing Him has He ever lied to me. Because you do not accept His word you are not worthy of it. Your eyes are blind. Symbolic perhaps, but still preformed never the less. It will happen in His way not yours or mine. So to me Mark you are not a believer. You are one of those the make the Bible a big mystery book.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            2Ti_3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

            2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
            2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
            2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

          • Mark says:

            Ron, all I can now say is; “Enjoy your prophetic fantasies” while you can. :-( And please respect my contrary presence on the blogs from henceforth? And FYI a believer is simply one whom believes in Jesus. Nothing to do with complex bible games. Also believers are reserved unto heaven…

            1Pe 1:4 KJV – To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

            Eph 4:30 KJV – And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

            Reservations once made are not removed.
            When something is sealed it is closed up.

            P.S. Someday maybe you’ll wake up to holy truth…

          • Ron Murphy says:

            You can come unsealed

          • Mark says:

            True, at the rapture :-)

          • Show me scripture for a blood-washed, blood-bought Christian in the age of Grace becoming “unsealed”….

          • Ron Murphy says:

            1Co_10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

            Heb_3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

            NTEB, how can a man fall from being a sinner? He must fall from something. Did not Paul say Brethren in Heb. 3:12? He said plainly ” departing”. Departing from what?

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Partly agreed, Mark. But they will budge for the Mahdi, all of them will. That would be mutual one staying out of your post, But feel welcome if you want to speak directly to me, let us be brothers in the Lord. If you see me doing something dangerous speak out, but consider all angles before you do, that would be honorable. And like wise for me.

        • Mark says:

          The Mahdi is the Antichrist I presume? Anyway, it’s too hard to define things yet. I still suspect war is yet in the air, possibly resulting in the peace treaty. And I suspect the latter is the thing that will break the conflict. In any case, all we can do at this point is watch and pray.

          Mideast war games are continually happening, but so far only small foreign skirmishes. I kind of suspect another false flag will start the big fire though. Like was the case with 911, leading to the ‘terror war’ hoax.

          For all practicalities, we are still in that strange war, and it began with conquering Iraq. Next up will likely be war with Iran. Overall a big mess in the Mideast, would not want to even visit there nowadays.. a literal death trap. :-(

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Yes , you are hitting closer to home now, Mark. Very good. I think at this present time it might be wise to watch Abbas, to see what his next move will be. If he is not the antichrist he will still be involved. Personally I think he’s to old to be the antichrist. But that is just speculation, as you say that will have to be seen. But if Abbas make a 7 year treaty, then we will watch him closely.

          • Mark says:

            Actually I’m keeping my focus now on Obama, as he is a very powerful ruling entity. Plus he has the elite on his side, whom are the real control faction. In fact, Obama is merely a political puppet, as were his colleagues.

            As for Abbas, I don’t know him? Is he a Mideast ruler or political figure? For certain though, the whole bloody lot is tied into the NWO plan. We the populace are the ones always left in the dark.

            In fact I’ve read that late Saddam Hussein was a 33rd degree Freemason. Plus most (if not all) America presidents were/are Freemasons, or involved in various secret societies.

            And George Bush Sr. is apparently involved in all of the secret societies, plus coined the term ‘New World Order’.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            The elite will bowl to the antichrist. They are not the ones to watch, but time will tell. So keep preaching some day all will see, the truth.

          • Mark says:

            Ron, the elite set up the Antichrist, but they work in the dark, so nothing really to watch for there. Yes, in due time truth will prevail for all mankind ;-)

        • STL says:

          Ron: Its impossible exactly to know who the Antichrist, will be? Its only guess work, but when time occurs and the Tribulation begins, you surely will know who exactly is the Antichrist? But the ones that knows of his name, will be the ones that got left behind, after 2nd Thess. 2:3-7 the born again christians, is taken away from the earth to heaven. You can argue your opinions until you turn blue, but scriptures does not exactly prove your right or wrong, that is where faith comes to our attention, we believe in faith!

          Until the time comes, we will prove who is right or wrong?

          If we continue argueing, over the possiblities, its just plain stupid?

          So we continue believe in pre or post and some as mid-tribulation, but if we have faith in our Salvation, in time we all will be in heaven!

          As long we have the free gift of Salvation we are saved? Romans 6: 23

          So we eagerly hope for Jesus return, from which we do not see. Romans 8: 25

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  88. Ron Murphy says:

    Domain, Let’s not forget about the drones!!!!

  89. STL says:

    Ron: You say, your still teaching, by whose law or by God’s testimony that we assume your a Teacher of Scriptures. As I believe we are students of Scripture. I do not claim I’m a teacher of scriptures, even if man has given me a degree in Bible College, we are only the students, as our teacher is Jesus Christ?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      1Co_12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        STL, I’m not claiming to be anything more than my calling, I’m just a poor O hillbilly, But I’ve known the Lord from the age of 5. I’ve walked with Him in my days. I’ve known Him for fifty years now, I’m still learning as you are. But never the less, I’ve learned enough to teach, at least according to God. I will obey Him rather than you, no disrespect to you, Brother. To each his own. God bless you.

        • STL says:

          If you learned enough to teach, then you should need a church with followers, than just this web site of misfits?

          And when I stated about my court case, as I took my oath, ” In God We Trust”, I was stating being surprise that our government still honor God in their courts.

          Veterans Appeal Court, is the highest court a veteran can attend!

          The Judge said, I presented Federal laws just as good as any lawyer would of in this case against the U.S. Government for my back pay.

          Now this judge has to review and considered all documents of 9,500 copies of evidence before he renders a decision.

          So I continue to wait for his decision.

          If I’m allowed in his decision I will recieve about $ 450,000.00 dollars in back pay.

          Then my wife and I, are returning back to the USA to live, in Las Cruces ( The City of the Crosses), New Mexico and buy a new house in cash with a total payment. I hate paying each month, in interest payments. Before you pay off the cost of the house?

          Credit is a bummer, I hate having that stress over my head each month!

          • Ron Murphy says:

            I agree, No credit for me, it’s slavery. STL, I don’t need a Church to collect tithes from. I’m not looking to be some body. I’m just interested in the love of the truth. Period!

  90. STL says:

    Ron: On June 24, 2013 I attend a Veteran’s Appeal Court. And the judge asked me to raise my right hand, he said, ” In God We Trust.” I was suprise our Federal Government still uses the testimony, ” In God we Trust?”

  91. Mark says:

    Seems I’ve come under hard accusation for telling folk not to worry about the RFID game yet? Is RFID the mark of the beast? We don’t yet know. For certain though, the chip in itself alone has zero power. Plus it can be surgically removed. But the chipping is to be the final phase in the NWO game.

    Do you troubled folk honestly think that the NWO is going to waste; time, trouble and cost, chipping the whole world now (7 billion?), then kill the majority off? The NWO is diabolical yes, but NOT impractical. Rather they are going to first depopulate the globe to 1/10 it’s size (great tribulation), and then chip the remaining populace (NWO subjects).

    Btw I do believe the RFID is the mark. Not from guessing either, but from research into matter. RFID = Radio Frequency Identification Device. Such a thing could easily be used to enslave the populace, control the economy, and our lives.

    Anyway, the chipped populace will be damned because they will be total slaves unto the NWO system. And the elite have every intention to control the world. In fact, it’s clearly written in the Georgia stone monolith (10 commandments), their future vision, their new age utopia. :-( From my studies in matter…

    Georgia Guidestones

    A very controversial structure, The Georgia Guidestones have been referred to as instructions to form a New World Order, and accused of having satanic origins and of being tied to the Antichrist.

    On one of the highest hilltops in Elbert County, Georgia stands a huge granite monument. Engraved in eight different languages on the four giant stones that support the common capstone are 10 Guides, or commandments. That monument is alternately referred to as The Georgia Guidestones, or the American Stonehenge. Though relatively unknown to most people, it is an important link to the Occult Hierarchy that dominates the world in which we live.

    Written on the Georgia Guidestones are these ten desires of the New World Order:

    THE MESSAGE OF THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES

    1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
    2. Guide reproduction wisely – improving fitness and diversity.
    3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
    4. Rule passion – faith – tradition – and all things with tempered reason.
    5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
    6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
    7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
    8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
    9. Prize truth – beauty – love – seeking harmony with the infinite.
    10. Be not a cancer on the earth – Leave room for nature.

    Limiting the population of the earth to 500 million will require the extermination of nine-tenths of the world’s people. The American Stonehenge’s reference to establishing a world court foreshadows the current move to create an International Criminal Court and a world government. The Guidestones’ emphasis on preserving nature anticipates the environmental movement of the 1990s, and the reference to “seeking harmony with the infinite” reflects the current effort to replace Judeo-Christian beliefs with a new spirituality.

    P.S. This is why the great tribulation will prevail, and what it will entail :-(

  92. STL says:

    DC: When you state scripture’s that comes from God, but when you state your opinions of scripture’s, that only comes from you. And God is perfect, never lies or makes a mistake. But as you being human, you can lie and make mistakes?

    So again how can we trust your testimony about scripture’s, if your a human who lies and makes mistakes?

    • I don’t state opinions at all. I state what Gods word says.

      This is not an opinion. This is THUS SAITH THE LORD!!

      (2 John 1:9 KJV) Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, HATH NOT GOD. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

      • STL says:

        DC: Anything you say to the contrary of scripture is your OPINION? Anything you say about Scripture is your OPINION?

        The first two sentences is considered your OPINION?

        The last sentence is Scripture?

        So you do state OPINIONS?

        Stop TWISTING YOUR WORDS?

        • Contrary to your twisting everything you say and others say up.

          Making a statement that the Lord said this and posting that statement is none other then 100% and not at all opinion.

          So again I say: THUS SAITH THE LORD!!!

          (2 John 1:9 KJV) Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, HATH NOT GOD. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

  93. STL says:

    JUDI, we have our post-tribbers as Ron, Brenda; DC, and others believe that the rapture occur at the end of the Tribulation.

    As my belief, there will be a Rapture ( 1st Thess. 4: 16-17) before the Tribulation, what happens after that first day of the Tribulation is not my concern? I will already be in HEAVEN.

    This is a active arguement on this web site.

    DC: believe that the free gift of Salvation, you can use it, and he tries his hardest to prove it against us. But we all know that impossible to lose your Salvation after you first recieve it from God, even if you back slide from God.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      STL D City is in no way saying you can not regain your salvation, but just the fact that you can be your own actions lose it.

      • STL says:

        Ron: its contrary to your statement that one can be by one’s actions lose your Salvation.

        Its not my place to tell God I can lose my Salvation?

        When I first accepted God as my Savior and he accepted me as his son, giving me my gift of Salvation.

        Now Salvation became my birth right as one of his sons.

        We know when God gives us a free gift, he will never take it away from us.

        The only way I see possible that by our actions we can lose Salvation, if we choose to recieve the mark.

        But again, we come back to the same basic arguement, if a Born Again Christian enters the Tribulation?

        But as I personally believe, I will never enter the Tribulation, because I’ll already be caught up into the air and be with God in Heaven.

        So its impossible for me to lose my Salvation.

        But as you believe you’ll enter the Tribulation, then its a possible, you can lose your Salvation, when you take the mark?

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Losing one salvation is not in the telling, but it is in the acting of your faith, if you lose your faith then, you lose your salvation. But you also might think yourself to be saved and you might be lost, even though you were saved before. God will judge all men and He will judge righteously. The wheat comes up with the tares but He will separate them, you better make sure of your salvation. A lot of men thought themselves to be saved but in reality they were lost. If you do not love the truth you could be lost. If you take the mark you will lose your salvation, if you take it willfully.

          • STL says:

            Ron: In your conversation, you stated; if you lose your faith, then you lose your Salvation? But you also might think yourself to be saved and you might be lost, even though you were saved before.

            So how can you prove your saved, in the first place?

            What is Salvation?

            Its BELIEF.

            Belief and Faith is used 550 times in the Bible.

            Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved. Acts 16:31

            If you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

            What is Belief?

            In Greek word “PISTEUO” means ” to think to be true, to be persuaded of, place confidence in.”

            Believing in Salvation ” in your heart” means that the core of you is wrapped around the belief.

            Belief is what you feel, think, depend on, therefore, what you do, who you are, what you becomed.

            If anyone’s work he has built on it endures, he will recieve a reward, if anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss, BUT HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED; YET SO AS THOUGH FIRE. 1st Cor. 3: 11-15 KJV

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Salvation is not believing . Believe brings salvation , but salvation is the washing with the blood of the Lamb.

            Heb_10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

        • Mark says:

          STL – Don’t be deceived brother, as there is no possible way a believer today can lose their salvation!!! And I mean this with full earnesty brother. We believers are reserved and sealed… end of salvation story :-)

          1Pe 1:4 KJV – To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

          Eph 4:30 KJV – And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

          Reservations once made are not removed!
          When something is sealed it is closed up!

          Knowing this all, I honestly wouldn’t worry too much about the RFID thing, as it cannot touch your soul. And even NTEB states that for medical aspects it won’t damn you nowadays. Below excerpt is from NTEB archive…

          Note: If the implantable RFID chip does turn out to the the Mark of the Beast, which seems highly likely, it will not be until the actual reign of the Antichrist that it will have it’s power and signifigance. The Bible is quite clear that receiving the Mark, during the Tribulation, is completely and obviously tied to the worship of the antichrist. No one will take the mark by accident. You will be asked to swear allegiance to the antichrist as an act of worship. Anyone receiving the mark during the time of the Great Tribualtion will know exactly why they are getting it. It will be beacuse they will be
          acknowledging, falsely, the antichrist as God.

          So if you were today to get a senior relative with Alzheimers chipped or a young child chipped to thwart a kidnapping, that would not be considered receiving the mark of the beast. Howver, NTEB highly advises against having anyone you know and loved chipped. Ever. Resist it, reject it, fight it with your dying breath. The mark of the beast is real.
          http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pages/mark_of_the_beast/markOF_theBEAST.htm

          P.S. I’m not so sure that our opposition are all that well endowed in brain matter. See my above posts and I think you’ll maybe get my drift here ;-)

          • (Matthew 18:23 KJV) Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
            (Matthew 18:24 KJV) And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
            (Matthew 18:25 KJV) But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
            (Matthew 18:26 KJV) The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
            (Matthew 18:27 KJV) Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
            (Matthew 18:28 KJV) But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
            (Matthew 18:29 KJV) And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
            (Matthew 18:30 KJV) And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
            (Matthew 18:31 KJV) So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
            (Matthew 18:32 KJV) Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
            (Matthew 18:33 KJV) Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
            (Matthew 18:34 KJV) And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

            (Matthew 18:35 KJV) So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

            This is the parable of the King forgiving one of his servants of a HUGE DEBT. After being forgiven (AFTER BEING SAVED). After being forgiven this servant then goes out and REFUSES to forgive another servant who owes him a much much smaller amount.

            Well when his fellow servants saw that he refused to forgive this other servant, these fellow servants were greatly distressed. So they went and reported this to their King. So the king said to the origninal servant he forgave. You wicked servant!!!! I forgave you all that debt (in other words its in the past) So the king sends him to jail (prison) to now pay the debt that he was origionally forgiven of.

            The last verse ( Matt 18:35) “So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you…………..

            Whats happening in this passage? A servant who owes a debt he can’t pay ( just like us with God). A lord who forgives the servants debt after the servant falls to his knees and begs (repentance) for patience. Kinda like a sinners prayer maybe? THE SERVANT IS SAVED!!! HE IS FORGIVEN FROM THE DEBT!! THE SERVANT NOW BELIEVES HE HAS BEEN DISCHARED FROM THE DEBT FOREVER!!!! Sound familuar? :)

            The servant then goes out and shows no mercy!!! No forgiveness to a fellow servant!!! (sins) Is that first servant still forgiven? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, NOPE!!!!!!!! NO WAY!!! He now has to pay the FULL AMOUNT!!! His debt is reinstituted!!!! BECAUSE OF A SIN HE COMMITED AFTER HE HAD BEEN DISCHARGED. AFTER HE HAD BEEN SAVED.

            Notice it is Jesus himself giving us this example. Which means Jesus knows full well that you can go back out and sin after your forgiven and lose your salvation. This servant messed up after he was saved and there was a BIG PRICE TO PAY FOR IT. He got tossed into prison.

            (Matthew 6:14 KJV) For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
            (Matthew 6:15 KJV) But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

            No distinction made here between the saved and unsaved. YOU HAVE TO FOGIVE OR YOU WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN. As you just saw in Matthew 18 if even after we have been forgiven, if we don’t forgive. FORGIVENESS WILL BE TAKEN AWAY FROM US. YOU WILL LOSE YOUR SALVATION!!

            Another example: Romans 11 starting at verse 17. This passage is so clear that I do not know how anyone can read it and beleive in once saved always saved.

            The verse is talking about how salvation has come to the Gentiles and how many of the Jews have rejected it. The analogy of the olive tree is used. Jesus is the olive tree.

            (Romans 11:17 KJV) And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

            He says if some of the branches were broken off (THE JEWS) and you a wild olive tree (Gentiles) were graffed in to partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree (JESUS CHRIST).

            (Romans 11:18 KJV) Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

            Then he tells us not to boast over the branches (JEWS). In other words do not think your hot stuff when your talking to the Jews.

            (Romans 11:20 KJV) Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

            (Romans 11:21 KJV) For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

            DID YOU CATCH THAT THREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF THE NATURAL BRANCES WERE BROKEN OFF YOU TOO CAN BE BROKEN OFF. AGAIN IF THE NATURAL BRANCHES WERE BROKEN OFF YOU CAN TOO BE BROKEN OFF!!!

            (Romans 11:22 KJV) Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, IF THOU CONTINUE IN HIS (God’s) GOODNESS: otherwise thou also SHALT BE CUT OFF.

            He says notice the goodness and severity of God! On those that have fallen SEVERITY but toward the faitful GOODNESS. But then the treat and stipulation that you must CONTINUE IN GODS GOODNESS!!! Otherwise you too will be CUT OFF!!!

            (Romans 11:23 KJV) And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

            But it goes on to say that the others who do not persist in their unbelief will be grafted in FOR GOD HAS THE POWER TO GRAFT THEM IN AGAIN!!!

            PERFECT EXAMPLE OF BEING IN, BEING OUT AND BEING IN AGAIN. BEING SAVED, LOSING YOUR SALVATION AND GETTING IT BACK AGAIN!!!

            Read your bibles and do not believe mans made up doctrine. This is what the bible is saying all over the place over and over again. The devil wants nothing more then for you to get this wrong.

            Jesus in verse 1 of John 15 is telling us that He is the TRUE VINE.

            (John 15:1 KJV) I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

            SO IF WE ARE A BRANCH OF THE VINE, THAT MEANS WE GOT IT MADE IN THE SHADE RIGHT?
            NOT QUITE!!!

            In verse 2 and again in verse 6 of John 15.

            (John 15:2 KJV) Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
            (John 15:6 KJV) If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

            Jesus says that a branch can be CUT OFF AND CAST INTO THE FIRE AND BURNED if it does not bring forth good fruit!!!!!!!!!

            Once saved always saved is not a doctrine of God or Jesus Christ at all whatsoever. Its not biblical in any size shape or form. Hundreds of these verses all throughout Gods word. Just the truth!! God be with you.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            That is true if you abide in Christ, and a mans works wil be tried in the fire if you abide in Christ. But those that abide not in Christ shall burn. You can abide in Christ today and choose not to abide any longer as the Parable of the seeds suggest.

            Mat 13:20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
            Mat 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

            They did not endure until the end.

            Mat 13:22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

            They fall away because of problems of life and forgot God.

  94. STL says:

    Ron: as I talked to you about having your own church to teach the Word of God, are you having HOME CHURCH in your house each week?

    Than voicing your opinion on this web site?

  95. Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
    Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
    Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
    Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way.

  96. Luk_11:35 Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.

    Luk_21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

    Rom_11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

    1Co_3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

    1Co_10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

    Heb_3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

    • Amen Brenda more warnings from God himself telling us to becareful how we continue on. We must only continue on in Jesus Christs doctrine to be saved.

      (Romans 11:22 KJV) Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, IF THOU CONTINUE (NOTICE THE WORD IS CONTINUE…………….) IN HIS (God’s) GOODNESS: otherwise thou also SHALT BE CUT OFF.

      (Romans 11:22 KJV) Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, IF THOU CONTINUE IN HIS (God’s) GOODNESS: otherwise thou also SHALT BE CUT OFF.

    • STL says:

      Brenda: I was asking a question to your husband Ron, about having HOME CHURCH, in his teachings?

      So you come on with your scripture in defend of your husband.

      Are you personally responsible for your husband’s sins?

      Then how can you defend your husband?

      I do not expect my wife to suffer from my sins, and she can not defend me to God, for my sins.

      You need to stop believing I’m attacking your husband, and he makes a statement he needs to defend himself?

      I know you believe your helping him, but you can not defend him?

  97. What is the doctrine of Christ?

    Act_2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

    1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
    1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
    1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
    1Ti 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
    1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
    1Ti 6:11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
    1Ti 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

    • I forgot this most important thing:

      Mat 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
      Mat 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
      Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
      Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
      Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
      Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
      Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

  98. STL says:

    DC=Ron=Brenda: NTEB just post there comments that christians will not go into the Tribulation or Jacob’s Trouble.

    Now, defend your doctrine against NTEB STAFF?

    Or you do not have the stomach to defend your self directly against NTEB?

  99. STL says:

    RON: NTEB is saying you can not be unsealed?

    As in 1st Cor. 3: 11-15 KJV

    So are you going to defend your doctrine against NTEB?

  100. STL says:

    BRENDA: As you can see with 3 posts from NTEB, now defend your doctrine against NTEB?

    It proves you can not lose your Salvation in 1st Cor. 3: 11-15 KJV.

  101. NTEB is not the final authority on the Bible.
    And I just put scripture up to defend Christ’s truth against the false doctrine.

    Christ is the final authority on the Bible. If people would study the scriptures, instead of following all these doctrines of devils, they just might understand the truth.

    Jud 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
    Jud 1:2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
    Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
    Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
    Jud 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
    Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
    Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
    Jud 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
    Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
    Jud 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
    Jud 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
    Jud 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
    Jud 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
    Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
    Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
    Jud 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage.
    Jud 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
    Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
    Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
    Jud 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
    Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
    Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
    Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
    Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
    Jud 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

  102. The process of falling away, and changing one’s beliefs, which eventually can lead a person to deny Jesus, is described in many verses.

    Given all of the ways to fall away from the faith, the Bible tells us to examine ourselves, and work out our salvation with fear. Sometimes religious people who may believe Once saved always saved become very offended if you preach to them anything that might question their salvation. They say, “How dare you!”. Well, I dare because scripture commands us to question our salvation.

    (2 Corinthians 13:5 KJV) Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

    (Philippians 2:12 KJV) Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

    (2 Peter 1:10 KJV) Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

    Next is a list of the things lead to falling away from the faith and belief in Jesus.
    Falling away & being rejected by God.

    for lack of knowledge & rejected knowledge Hosea 4:6

    that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not Matt 7:24-27

    hearers only, deceiving your own selves James 1:22

    beareth not fruit & abide not in me John 15:2,6

    not a doer & forgetteth what manner of man he was James 1:22-24

    faith without works is dead James 2:17-26

    he that lacketh & hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins
    2 Peter 1:9

    unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures 2 Peter 3:16

    err from the truth James 5:19-20

    lust, and enticed James 1:13-16

    the love of money 1 Timothy 6:10

    be a friend of the world James 4:4

    the pollutions of the world & again entangled therein & turned to his own vomit again 2 Peter 2:20-22

    the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word Matt 13:22

    no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away Luke 8:13

    tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended Matt 13:21

    be without chastisement Hebrews 12:6-8

    servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death Romans 6:16

    being led away with the error of the wicked 2 Peter 3:17

    seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils 1 Timothy 4:1

    an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. Hebrews 3:12-15

    sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth Hebrews 10:26

    having put away concerning faith & blaspheme 1 Timothy 1:18-20:

    counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing Hebrews 10:29

  103. Here is a verse with no partiality!!!

    (Colossians 3:25 KJV) But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

    Won’t matter if your saved or unsaved NO RESPECT OF PERSONS

    What is this STUFF ABOUT HAVING TO ENDURE TO THE END TO BE SAVED!!

    (Matthew 10:22 KJV) And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

    But wait a minute I’m already saved Jesus!!! I dont have to endure to the end for anything. Im already there!!!

    (Matthew 24:13 KJV) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

    Again doesn’t make sense under once saved always saved!!

    (Hebrews 10:35 KJV) Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
    (Hebrews 10:36 KJV) For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye MIGHT receive the promise.

    If I have already received it , this doesn’t make any sense?

    (Hebrews 12:1 KJV) Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

    Doesn’t make sense if once saved always saved is true? Why are we running the race with patience. We have already won the race!

    What about all this hope stuff? If I have absolute assurance of salvation what is all this HOPE STUFF? Where does hope come into the picture?

    (Romans 8:25 KJV) But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

    (Romans 5:2 KJV) By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

    What are we hoping for? We are there, there is nothing to hope for?

    (1 Corinthians 9:27 KJV) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

    If Paul has already won the race why would he worry about being castaway?

    (1 Thessalonians 5:23 KJV) And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Why is Paul praying that these peoples souls, body, spirit be kept blameless? Aren’t they already blameless? Aren’t they saved? Why pray that God keep them blamless if that is a given. What a useless prayer?

    (Hebrews 10:38 KJV) Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

    How can someone living by faith in grace draw back. What is this none sense. Well obviously this verse is wasted space!

    (Luke 9:23 KJV) And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

    Why do we need to take up our cross daily if we are already saved?

  104. Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
    Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
    Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
    Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
    Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
    Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

  105. Ron Murphy says:

    Luk_17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

    Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

    Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
    Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

  106. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

    Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
    Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit

  107. Hey Ron I got a few questions for ya.

    When you receive a gift its yours correct?

  108. It’s yours, but you can do what you want with it.
    You can refuse it.
    You can give it back.
    You can trade it for something different.
    What else?

  109. Or not even use it as in reject it or discard it.

    Amen.

  110. Yes……….
    or keep it and use it as it is supposed to be used.

  111. Mark says:

    The big question I ask, is why are you hard nosed folk always trying to legalize Christianity? God gave the new covenant to give us a better future hope, not to send us back under the curse of law. Do you not even see that?

    All you’re doing here is spewing tons of varied scripture to make God look like a cold tyrant, not the loving father that he is. And thus making all good unlearned Christians feel continually condemned. God does not smile one bit upon your cold-hearted legalistic game, and that much I can assure you. :-(

    As far as I’m concerned, you’re all just a bunch of false apostles. You claim to be good Christians, but instead you promote twisted doctrine, deceiving others unlearned, and irritating us learned ones :-( :-(

    2Cr 11:3 KJV – But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
    2Cr 11:13 KJV – For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

    P.S. Few but yourselves would miss your ugly unwanted presence in these blogs :-) :-)

    • Ron Murphy says:

      We most certainly do see that, and agree, but God did make it simpler than you did, serve Me or else.

      • Mark says:

        Yes, to serve God is to love him and others, and try not to sin. And if we fall, he lifts us back up if we ask. Ongoing process till death or rapture, whichever comes first :-)

        P.S. A true believer doesn’t reject God in their heart, though they certainly are not picture perfect as Jesus is ;-)

        • Ron Murphy says:

          That is so for those that endure until the end. But the way you put it, is true believes are those that endure. That is not God’s call who endures. He would that all endure. It is up to the individual that they serve Him or not. He does know the ones that will. But in His predestined understanding, still the choice is up to you. God gave free will to each. To think otherwise is condemning unjustfully. With you mind set you make people feel they have no hope and they might be condemned to begin with, with no hope of salvation. All have a choice, all have to make that decision. This is what you say to people, with your doctrine, ” You might be one of those that have no hope, you might as well go party and live life up and go on to hell, you have no hope, God forbid you. You teach and preach a dangerous thing, in your self righteous predestined doctrines, destroying lives in the process. It’s not that you tell any one to be lost, no you tell them to be saved, but in your doctrine you condemn and make the unlearned to feel there is no hope, because they are not chosen. You send the wrong message to the lost. The true Christian is someone that obeys God.

          • Mark says:


            Ron Murphy:

            That is so for those that endure until the end. But the way you put it, is true believes are those that endure. That is not God’s call who endures. He would that all endure. It is up to the individual that they serve Him or not. He does know the ones that will. But in His predestined understanding, still the choice is up to you. God gave free will to each. To think otherwise is condemning unjustfully. With you mind set you make people feel they have no hope and they might be condemned to begin with, with no hope of salvation. All have a choice, all have to make that decision. This is what you say to people, with your doctrine, ” You might be one of those that have no hope, you might as well go party and live life up and go on to hell, you have no hope, God forbid you. You teach and preach a dangerous thing, in your self righteous predestined doctrines, destroying lives in the process. It’s not that you tell any one to be lost, no you tell them to be saved, but in your doctrine you condemn and make the unlearned to feel there is no hope, because they are not chosen. You send the wrong message to the lost. The true Christian is someone that obeys God.

            Ron, your negative wild claims about me above are so off kilter I just don’t know what to say :-(

            Whomever gave you the right to judge and condemn me anyway? Certainly NOT God :-(

            Mat 7:1 KJV – Judge not, that ye be not judged.

            Mat 7:2 KJV – For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

            Luk 6:37 KJV – Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

            Rom 14:10 KJV – But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

            Jam 4:11 KJV – Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

            Jam 5:9 KJV – Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.

            P.S. Maybe you need to examine yourself a bit closer :-)

  112. Ron Murphy says:

    A gift is not mandatory to use, you can accept it and put it up in the closet, use it 5 times and throw it away
    You may have gotten use from it be you grew tire of it being in the way and decided to cast it out. Some grow tired of serving God and let the weeds choke them out. Some don’t get rooted in the word of God deep enough, and the first big storm comes and they get up rooted. These were honest to goodness Christians that didn’t follow what God instructed them to do. They obeyed not the truth.

    • Mark says:

      True with material (corruptible) gifts, but not true with the spiritual (incorruptible) gift of Holy Spirit…

      1Pe 1:23 KJV – Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

      The spirit cannot be removed from within us, not by; Satan, angels, sin, others, when are born again. But if we are not the latter, then we don’t belong to God period.

      P.S. Now can we discuss the weather instead? ;-)

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Not quite that easy, Mark. True no one can take what God gives. But you yourself can reject it. For it is said to work out you own salvation. So the choice is totally up to each individual. It all lies in your hands that you obey or disobey God and it totally up to Him how He judges you worthy or unworthy to enter His Kingdom. Those that obey God will have no trouble. But the disobedient may have trouble. Many that seem strong in the Lord may not make it in and some that seem to barely be hanging on may make it in. Only God can judge righteously. And that He will.

        • Mark says:

          Ron, why must you folk always complicate a simple thing?

          A true Christian (born again one) cannot possibly revert to how they thought before they were saved. Before I was saved, I was an atheist, I didn’t see God, I only saw evolution. After I was saved, I saw God only, NOT evolution. There is no possible way I could retract back to being an atheist now. My faith is set in stone in that aspect. God is my rock and hope in this world :-)

          The only possible way a true believer could become an unbeliever, is that if their physical brain was somehow rewired in that manner.. i.e. memory replacement. And that ain’t like likely to happen to our lot today. Though I’ve heard that mind control is not fiction?

          P.S. As for sin aspect, that issue is strictly between me and God ;-)

  113. STL says:

    Mark: Pre-tribbers believes they will be taken to heaven before the signing of the peace treaty with Isreal of 7 years. Your talking about mid-tribulation. And Ron and DC are talking about the Rapture at the end of the tribulation. So basically your a mid-tribber?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      That’s what I told him, STL. But He is a little different than most Mid tribbers. He sees the tribulation as only lasting 3 1/2 years as Jesus and Daniel describes. At least he’s got a little bit of sight.

      • STL says:

        Ron: I’m not trying to come down on Mark, but he can not have it both ways?

        As it says in Rev. 3:16 because your are lukewarm, neither hot or cold, I will split you out of my mouth.

        I can’t see where it says, the Rapture occur at mid-point?

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Well to him it is pretrib , STL not mid, but to you he is mid trib. To me you are pre indignation and trib, and Mark is actually mid indignation and pretrib. I am Post trib, pre wrath. God bless us all.

    • Mark says:

      STL – The 7 year tribulation is a frickin’ fable, the tribulation only lasts 3.5 years, and starts midway into Daniels 70th week. Pay close attention below. ;-)

      Dan 9:27 KJV – And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

      Note: sacrifices end midway, tribulation begins

      Dan 11:31 KJV – And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

      Note: Abomination of desolation is midway

      Dan 12:11 KJV – And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

      Note: 1290 (approx 3.5 years), from mid point

      Mar 13:14 KJV – But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

      Hint: The abomination of desolation sparks the beginning of tribulation, when Antichrist is revealed (the kings true colors). The first half of week is still mystery to me, but for certain it’s not tribulation. But the last week begins with the peace treaty (covenant), to birth the third temple.

      P.S. If I have to explain myself again to you on this simple to see issue, I swear I’m gonna tear my hair out. Obviously you’ve not read my bible study, as it clarifies things well? And why no more email communication? :-(

    • Mark says:

      To add to above explain. The ‘abomination of desolation’ of Daniel is also the ‘image of the beast’ of Revelation 13.

      Basically it’s the idol of the NWO, and when the NWO is birthed. I suspect it will tie into the pyramid form, which is the NWO’s symbol, as imaged on back of $1 bill.

      And because scripture states the image has powers and speaks, I suspect it will be not only an idol, but also the hub of the NWO. A giant pyramid shaped computer which will control the chips, and other things connected.

      At present I think Utah has something of that sort, a giant computer called the Beast? But don’t quote me on that, as I’ve not yet researched things.

  114. STL says:

    Ron: putin has ordered his military out of Syria today, something is going to happen?

  115. STL says:

    Ron: as you were desribing to Mark about obeying God or not?

    There is not one christian that completely obeys God, in their walks with Jesus, WE ARE SINNERS!

    But by our Salvation, we repent daily of our sins and there forgiven and forgotten by GOD!

    • Mark says:

      STL – True, the difference is that we repent. Unbelievers don’t, as they feel not in the wrong, as they have not God to direct their lives ;-)

      P.S. The unforgivable sin is rejection of the savior :-(

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