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Pentagon Confirms May Court Martial Soldiers Who Share Christian Faith

| May 1, 2013

The Pentagon has released a statement confirming that soldiers could be prosecuted for promoting their faith: “Religious proselytization is not permitted within the Department of Defense…Court martials and non-judicial punishments are decided on a case-by-case basis…”.

The statement, released to Fox News, follows a Breitbart News report on Obama administration Pentagon appointees meeting with anti-Christian extremist Mikey Weinstein to develop court-martial procedures to punish Christians in the military who express or share their faith.

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(From our earlier report: Weinstein is the head of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and says Christians–including chaplains–sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ in the military are guilty of “treason,” and of committing an act of “spiritual rape” as serious a crime as “sexual assault.” He also asserted that Christians sharing their faith in the military are “enemies of the Constitution.”)

Being convicted in a court martial means that a soldier has committed a crime under federal military law. Punishment for a court martial can include imprisonment and being dishonorably discharged from the military.

So President Barack Obama’s civilian appointees who lead the Pentagon are confirming that the military will make it a crime–possibly resulting in imprisonment–for those in uniform to share their faith. This would include chaplains—military officers who are ordained clergymen of their faith (mostly Christian pastors or priests, or Jewish rabbis)–whose duty since the founding of the U.S. military under George Washington is to teach their faith and minister to the spiritual needs of troops who come to them for counsel, instruction, or comfort.

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This regulation would severely limit expressions of faith in the military, even on a one-to-one basis between close friends. It could also effectively abolish the position of chaplain in the military, as it would not allow chaplains (or any service members, for that matter), to say anything about their faith that others say led them to think they were being encouraged to make faith part of their life. It’s difficult to imagine how a member of the clergy could give spiritual counseling without saying anything that might be perceived in that fashion.

In response to the Pentagon’s plans, retired Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin, who is now executive vice president of the Family Research Council (FRC), said on Fox & Friends Wednesday morning:

It’s a matter of what do they mean by “proselytizing.” …I think they’ve got their defintions a little confused. If you’re talking about coercion that’s one thing, but if you’re talking about the free exercise of our faith as individual soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines, especially for the chaplains, they I think the worst thing we can do is stop the ability for a soldier to be able to exercise his faith.”

FRC has launched a petition here which has already collected over 30,000 signatures, calling on Secretary Hagel is stop working with Weinstein and his anti-Christian organization to develop military policy regarding religious faith.

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My, my, my…how times have changed.

**UPDATE**

The FRC petition has now exceeded more than 40,000 signatures at the time of this update. source – Breitbart

 

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  1. brian says:

    this report shouldn’t shock anyone. this president and administration are nothing but a bunch of garbagepails. i say to hell with bho….but that is where he’s from anyway…he is an emissary of satan.

    • MIKE says:

      WE SHOULD MARCH ON PENTAGON BY MILLIONS TELL THEM GO TO MUSLIM COUNTRY7 AND ANY WHO STANDS WITH THEM WHERE,S 1 GOOD MARINE GENERAL TO RALLY TROOPS………………………..

    • bho is the worst pres. and representative in all of our history. He and his cronies are hard to accept.

  2. serena Craigie says:

    Shame on you America. May we sever ties with you ASAP as you are not a country I am proud to be associated/ friendly with anymore. Too much evil comes from you.

    • Terri says:

      Why are you blaming America? It is not all of us? It is the liberal lefties causing all this crap. We who love the Lord are crying for America….

    • kevin says:

      i am also not on board with the president on this nor many other things i am a GOD fearing man and ii follow his law first then the gov i i agree

  3. It is coming, they have removed GOD from all federal and state institutions, now the military,
    Obami is correct when he said America is no longer a Christian nation..
    This nation is doomed.
    There will be no revival across this land, the godless vermin are in control, and they wont be stopped until Jesus Christ returns
    I pray for you brothers and sisters every day,
    May God help you all

    • Thank you DM. I know your grief and share it. I also pray for all of Gods children. Our hearts are sorrowful but our faith is strong. Sometimes when I ponder just how utterly evil obama is I think..if he is not THE antichrist can you even imagine what is to come? Come quickly Jesus.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Amen, Roland, but the antichrist will not appear evil, everyone will be spell bound by his countenance and his words. Even so much that he could even deceive the elect, if it were possible. They will love him, and anything you said about him, you can look for a fight. It won’t be long. America must line up with prophecy, just like the rest of the world. We don’t like it, but we must endure it and must speak against it. God bless you brother. We are praying for you, too, DM. Thank you, brother.

  4. Brandon says:

    We are under the cursings of Deuteronomy 28. We have failed to live by God’s Laws and are suffering for it.

  5. Its going to get a lot worse..

  6. Ellen says:

    These are the Hallmarks and tactics of a communist Leadership. To this day Communist around the world including the Obama Admin will make Christianity a crime. Will you, America, let this happening? Open your mouth as the Muslim do.

  7. Terri says:

    This is crazy, gee what are they afraid of, conversions??? I get sicker everyday of that muslim! Deport the illegal immigrant plz!!!!

  8. Daniel says:

    But it is acceptable to pray 5 times a day and treat Muslims with special favor. I was in the Navy and we were allowed to go to church and worship as we wished on Sunday during “Boot Camp”. And yes the worse is yet to come. Wait till the Heads start coming off if you profess being a Christian. Please come back soon LORD JESUS.

  9. Charlie Fink says:

    I would be willing to go to prison, and/or die if that’s what it took in my Christian faith for others to get saved.

  10. ama says:

    OBAMA HITLER!

  11. Now this is getting rediculous. Why can’t Chaplains share the gospel of Christ? That is their job. Telling a Chaplain he can’t share JESUS with his Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, or Marines is like telling a Clergyman they cannot preach on the sabbath

  12. Luke 6:27 says:

    27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

    28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

    29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

    30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

    31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

    32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

    33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.

    34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

    35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

    36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

  13. Tracy says:

    It blows my mind that our country is filled with so many anti-Christians. It’s taken about 50 years of ungodly people pushing their agenda to get us here; but as sad as it is, they have succeeded.
    The wonderful part of this is that we know our Lord Jesus Christ is still in charge of all things, and in His own timing, He will make it known to all who really is King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
    God Bless

    • TRACY: I really believe 2013 is the year we go home!

      • J. M. says:

        And if we don’t you will become a false prophet by your own words. People have been saying things like this for ages and we’re still here. Yes, we all would like for our Lord Jesus Christ to come and take us home, but to say this is the year is complete foolishness!

      • Tiva O'Marro says:

        It is clearly written that no one except the Lord knows when the end will come so how can you, as one that carries the title ‘Pastor’ before his name, possibly overlook the written word. I would think that it is not your calling to proclaim ‘prophetic statements’ and I wonder exactly what it means that you have done so.

        • Live like the Lord could come today; yet, plan like it could be 10 years from now. For He told us to occupy till He comes….how can we occupy if we don’t plan and work. But we should always awake in the morning with the thought….this COULD be the day!!! Today we may see the Lord!! For each day we live, could be our last…if not by rapture, then by death and we must be ready to meet Him in either case!
          “Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.” ~Matthew 24:42-44

  14. Kristen says:

    This is an idiotic idea that is against both the freedom of speech and religion. Obama cannot legally do this or he would be unconstitutional. He will willingly allow Muslims and Buddhists and other such religious factions, but a Christian or anyone who claims the name of Christ is automatically looked down upon and attacked. For a man who if I recall was in the field of law, he sure doesn’t know the law.

    • Mark says:

      Dan 7:21 KJV – I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

      Dan 7:25 KJV – And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

      Rev 13:5-8 KJV – And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

      Does this above answer your concern? What is happening now is only a prelude unto the global nightmare to follow.. TRIBULATION!

      But according to the bible, Christians of today will be spared the hell of tomorrow.. just not common persecution (tribulations). The latter is our common suffering for glorifying; God, Christ, and the bible.

  15. Any day now friends….. Any day now.

  16. Leo says:

    And another thing, these politicians are always stating after speeches, (God Bless America) how so when U.S. military personnel can not practice their faith . Hypocrites . God is going to judge this nation . he already is . prepare yourselves . Judgement is here

    • I know why this is being done in the military, to get our soldiers hating Christian, so they will not have any problem shooting a christian!

      • I think you hit the nail on the head. Thats why the homeland security bought all those bullets,etc. I,too, believe we are close to going home.

      • As in, dying for the Lord, as in martyrdom, as having to go thru great tribulation, as in resting from our labors and our works do follow us, as in reigning with the Lord, in His kingdom, for all we go thru? Sounds like you finally acknowledge it, Pastor.

  17. Keith and Holly McDaniel says:

    Excuse me ??? Unless he’s using foreign money, I do believe the coins and bills here in AMERICA say: In GOD We Trust! Kiss my AMERICAN Ass!

    • Josh says:

      You do realize that “In God We Trust” was not added to coins until 1864 and paper currency until 1957. It also was not the country’s official motto until 1956

    • K&H: It was in Fox news the government want to change our paper money and called it Amerco dollar, which bring Canada, USA, Mexico, Central America, and South America in one system and their is no In God We Trust anymore!

    • Mark says:


      Keith and Holly McDaniel:

      Excuse me ??? Unless he’s using foreign money, I do believe the coins and bills here in AMERICA say: In GOD We Trust! Kiss my AMERICAN A**!

      Yeah, but which God is implied? Satan is the god of this world, and America was founded on Freemasonry. The uncapped pyramid and eye on the back of the dollar bill are of Masonic design. Below it are the Latin words meaning ‘New order of the ages’.. or simply New World Order.

      Also both the Statue of Liberty and the American flag are abominations unto God. Idols of worship of this land, not of God. In fact America is filled with idols, from statues to celebrities. And God said NO IDOLS!

      Hint: America was never Gods holy land, but rather Satan’s deception. Welcome to Mystery Babylon The Great! 911 was the beginning of it’s fall, NYC it’s original capital. For better understanding, see below link.

      http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Illuminati/dc.htm

      • Tiva O'Marro says:

        AMEN!!! Well said. I totally agree, there are more people and things to idolize (before or other than God) here in America than one could possibly count. Again, well said!

  18. Josh says:

    http://drewmusings.wordpress.com/2013/05/01/no-the-us-air-force-isnt-going-to-court-martial-people-for-being-christian/

    To Keith and Holly, you do realize that the phrase “In God we trust” wasn’t adopted as the official motto of the US until 1956. It also has only been on money since 1864. This country was not founded with that motto nor has it always had that motto on its money. It’s just like the original pledge of allegiance was created in 1892 and didn’t have “Under God” added until 1954.

  19. KB says:

    Lil mikey Weinstein is a practicing Jew. He’s a hypocrite! And he’s a lawyer who served in the Air Force he should not be allowed to influence those in position of authority. Additionally it would be like me trying to get a contract from the government by influencing the contracting officer. Weinstein’s comments are more intolerant than he says he is. He is a hater!!! He is a socialist leftist self-hater if he claims he is not a practicing Jew. The vitriol he spewed in his recent article, has declared war on Christians! As an athiest, he professes dispair, as an athiest he believes that we return to a primordial ooze state. Then if that’s the case, if he was aborted, it would not have mattered anyway to any of his existence. Then since his existence does not matter, then his cause is frivolous and should not matter anyway. The Pentagon needs to wise up as to who they are listening to…which is an a-shole who resembles the likes of Hitler and his Nazi cohorts!!! FU mikey weinstein!!! I will communicate to any and who will listen, so that their soul may enter Heaven and not end up in hell. You POS!!!

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  21. Jody says:

    We know Obama is evil. We know he is in his position because the Lord put him there. We know he is doing the Lord’s will in America; we don’t have to like it! We must just watch what happens. We have to pray for our country, our leaders, and that the Lord will bless us. Praying for Obama is HARD! I pray the Lord will guide his thoughts and actions, fill his heart with love, and give him the intelligence to see the truth. I don’t like him at all, but I must pray for him. I believe he is laying the path for the Anti-Christ: praying for THAT is so difficult, but it feels better when I do. We must trust in God! What else can we do? Do you want idiot Uncle Joe in charge? “Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not unto your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your paths.” Amen.

  22. Josh says:

    I am a Marine Corps veteran and currently a Sergeant in the US Army and I am Catholic and proud of it. However, I am a sinner and lord forgive me, but, **** THIS ****! LET THEM TRY TO COURT MARTIAL ME FOR SHARING MY FAITH! I DARE THEM TO TRY SOMETHING!!!

    • Hi Josh, if i had to put a name on my faith I would say simply JESUS , no denominational bounds, His prayer to the Father of Creation was for one and all to have unity in Him, and remember the Government is also upon His shoulders, not the worldly ways, He is in control, but they do not recongnise that divine fact. There will come a day when they shall.

  23. Ron Murphy says:

    Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

  24. Pray for GODs will in his life

  25. Rick Neeser says:

    It answers Obama’s cutback in the military.
    Christians need not apply.
    A military of athiests?
    Yup so much for a US military.
    We will have to depend on state militia.
    Militia….Civilian Defense.
    Oh my God.
    Separation of Church and State.
    An Army of Citizens, unpaid volunteers.
    Ready for any enemy foreign and domestic so help me God.
    Remember Paul Revere? The British are coming, the British are coming. The British was this country’s government.
    Today’s Paul Revere is saying “Our government is coming our government is comi
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  26. Karin says:

    I am the great great great grand daughter of Governor Pollock of Penna. 1855-1858. He was selected by Pres. Lincoln to director and superentendent of th US mint after serving as Governor. Gov Pollock was the man who initiated the motto ” In God We Trust” on all currency. He was an amazing Godly man and did many wonderful things for this country. I have a book on him and his tomb stone in Milton Penna. with the national motto inscribed in it. At his funeral, the pastors sermon, he was quoted as saying “My dear sir, I am willing to be anything or nothing for Christs sake”. He was a true man of GOD!! I am proud to come from such a GODLY heritage…I am sure he would be heartbroken to see this country going to hell…..the last thing we have left is the motto on the money but soon that will be gone too…….end time prophesy is unfolding rapidly and it is an honor to be chosen for this hour in time! Get right with GOD, serve him…time is short…

  27. Vern says:

    As a Retired Military Police it was God that got me home a many of times and it was the same God that are with these troops now who are fighting for these rights, and it is the same God that will judge the people who do such non-since that is going on in Washington. I wonder what God are they talking about when they go to services on Sunday? cause its the same God as all.
    Folks this is sad and we set back and let this happen, if we take a stand and try to take back America we might can live a little better and then we can set back and wait on the only one true God.

  28. Christal says:

    I am an American thankfully living in New Zealand. Watching and reading all the crap that is happening makes me sick to my stomach. But if there are so many people against Obama then how did he get re-elected? Please enlighten me…it seems that he should have lost by a long shot or was the competition that much worse?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Christal, It was close, But true the completion was not that great either. Obama won by getting the Hispanics on his side and took California to win 12 votes on that state along. Most all western states voted for him. Because of his immigration views, he won them easy for a close victory. His stance of gay rights also helped in California and other places. It’s getting worse by the day here. Stay strong in the Lord, time is rapidly boiling away.

  29. Ron Murphy says:

    What this is all about, is Obama does not want Christians in his military. He cannot control them. It is satan’s way to persecute the Christians when the time is due.

  30. Jeri Bolafka says:

    we as Americans and God loving people cannot let this happen to our military. I have never heard anything so blasphemous attempting to be imposed on our miltary. It was bad enough when there was no prayer allowed in school and now this. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

  31. Sgt Raptor says:

    The days are getting much darker for our freedoms, liberties, beliefs, and values. The Holy Bible speaks of this in the book of Daniel and paints a vivid portrait of the “Great Deceiver”…(Daniel 11:36). The sad thing is…we cannot stop what has been foretold…only God can intervene and destroy evil. As Christians…we must band together and pray.

  32. Brenda Fromberger says:

    This is so wrong. Our military just like our country was founded on Christian values and morals and laws. What they are attempting to do is unlawful. It is neither unconstitutional nor treasonous to share your faith w ith another soldier. They who are stating this are treasonous and are unlawfulky attempting to prevent freedom of religion and free speech for everyone in America. Stop this now!!

  33. JT says:

    This entire article is complete b/s. Proselytization is already unauthorized in the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and also in the constitution (at least as far as the government and its employees), The constitution clearly states that our government cannot advance nor inhibit any religion. Therefore, government employees can’t either.

    Our entire government was founded on separation of church and state – which is, in turn, freedom of religion. You can’t have freedom of religion if the country has on official religion. That’s why the government cannot officially support any particular religion, and it especially cannot hold someone’s religious views against them.

    Cannot advance or inhibit. That’s why things like prayer in school are unconstitutional. If you support prayer in school, you are actually oppressing people who don’t share that faith. Separation of church and state means equality for all. It’s not the government’s prerogative or responsibility to support any particular religion – just like it can’t support one gender over the other, or one race over another. It’s about equality and equal opportunity.

    Also – from a strictly military standpoint (I am an active duty sailor, by the way), the spread of religion is a hindrance to military operations. I’ll give you an example. Let’s say I have a devout officer that wants to convert me to his religion – save my soul kind of thing – and he believes in this very strongly. This leads to a complete break in the chain of command. If I allow him to teach me his religion and convert me – that leads to favoritism and fraternization. If I resist his attempts to convert me, he may hold that against me. Either way, that destroys the chain of command and ruins the leader/subordinate relationship – causing problems in daily operations, which is the last thing we want when there are terrorists out there that want to hurt our people.

    And it’s not just one religion we’re talking about here, it’s all of them. What would you think if someone in the military tried to force Islam upon someone you know in the service? Or discriminate against them because they don’t share the same faith? That’s what is unauthorized in our military. The military will never punish you for having religious beliefs or practicing your religion. It’s when you abuse that and treat people unequally because of religion – that’s when the leadership has a problem.

  34. tracy says:

    Jody, make no mistake, Obama is NOT doing the lords will, he’s simply exercising free will against god. God is allowing it for now….but living gay is an abomination, period. Being tolerant of gay is what is expected of Christians. Being supportive of sin is WRONG.so therefore Obama is openly supporting gay( sinful) behavior so he is NOT doing gods will. It is as simple as that.

  35. Steve says:

    Christ has “gifted” Obama to us for removing Him from our government institutions, schools, and most public places.

    God’s patience is quickly running thin, then He will turn this mother Earth over to Satan. When all the cooks out there ever wonder what happened to us who’ve been taken out of this evil world, it will be only then a few remaining will really hit the scriptures and seek God, and they’ll have a chance to repent of their sins and receive Christ, but must endure the Great Tribulation.

  36. Teresa says:

    What about the crosses at our military graves? The Arlington National Cemetery has crosses. The Cross of Christ is placed on their graves. I will kneel to my Savior not the government.
    The deception is here.

  37. Wily says:

    As Christian’s we must pray for boldness and keep our focus on Him! We have every right to be fearful while these prophesied events unfold! None of this catches the Supreme God off guard! Who knows but God what the church in America may have to endure. We often worry about events that never materialize as we have pondered! Lets never discount what the Lord might have planned by throwing a super curve ball (here) in this country! As Christians we must see things as He does, we are having illegal growing pains where many of these people (illegals) were led to believe that they were given legit passage while being ignorant of scriptural end times events. Are these fish ripe for the catching for Jesus Christ? Personally I’ve been repulsed at what the evil Satanic global’s are doing to our once great country but realizing that America (in general) bought into the fleshly desires by lured by the Garden snake! It’s clear we are entering Daniel’s 70th week, the Lord has lifted the hedging, the world is in shambles all the signs point to Jesus stepping down on the mt of olives in not much more than 7 yrs! All that really matters now is that we get our house (tent) in order, keep in prayer, ask what He wants us to do and keep witnessing about the saving grace of Jesus Christ our Lord! I too believe we’ll go Home this year! The Lord that knew us (Jer. 1:5) before the foundations were laid (does this mean that we were in some kind (soul/spirit) of place (like a limbo) where we were submerged in is Holy love? Or did He just know of us before we were inserted at creation conception? I have an inkling that we (soul/spirit) were created the same time as the angels and were in His Heavenly presence (knowing absolutely nothing of this -our- earthly life journey) until it was our time at conception? I believe we are in the times where the Lord may be showing us Heavenly things along the dream of Daniel where He has opened the book! Expect Him to show you (us) what to do, especially in this hour! Many Christians write off the things the Lord is showing His children, as if they were (are) of the devil. Do not be surprised if He shows you (us) things in very profound ways! Remember (Eph 6) to test all things, He will tell you if it’s not of Him. If not of Him (when you ask) it may be like a negative gut feeling or a sense of evil. When it’s of Him it may be a positive yes or show you something to confirm it! We are in the days of Noah, we have to learn by reading Scripture/Bible daily is a must, w/out the doctrinal truth we won’t stand a chance and stay away from the so called christianity that focus on self/wealth where the word ‘sin’ is not mentioned! We are in tough times, where blatant in our faces visuals and the thumbing of the nose of things God and where the indoctrinating of our young is the name of the game while yanking the life out of the womb! We are entering the perilous times where the war on Christians is their first obvious move! The divider and chief is ‘a’ major player! It’s not racist if you don’t see things his way! The early Church died well (lions den – Nero, etc) which set the world up for the commission of Jesus Christ our Lord the Redeemer. In this nation (usa) most people have some knowledge of Jesus (someone witnessing/a seed was planted) and know deep down that their is really something different about Him. What I’m trying to say, Satan knows that at anytime now the Lord may play a hold card or make a move on the chess board which could set his (devil) game back scores of years. Already the writings is on the wall for the snake in the garden and all his minions! What ever the Lord may allow to happen to us, remember, lets try to understand what He’s allowing, you (me) will be eternally rewarded, someone will take note!
    If we keep our focus on Him fear does reside, This seems crazy but true! Don’t dwell on what could be, trust Him to see your loved ones in Him and you Home, the anchor will hold!
    When you pray understand Who you really are listening and talking to! Tell Him you love Him often and thank Him for what He’s done and doing! Remember, the Holy Spirit is right there w/you, when you pray, He takes up the slack! We will be breaking bread w/Jesus real soon, He chose you before the foundations were laid to live in this time, this is an awesome thing whether we like (acknowledge) it or not! In eternity future will be glad He chose you (us) for this very time!
    Pray for the peace of Israel, pray for this nation and leaders, pray for our brethren that are being persecuted for their faith in Jesus! May the 2nd is the national day of prayer, partake, think of the things He’s concerned about and stop dwelling on ourselves, it’s not about us at all, it’s all about what Him & He has done! He’s not arrogant in the least of ways, He loves you (us) so very very much, that’s something many find hard to fathom but true! When we finally get Home we’ll be submerged (that eternal human want) in His love that we have always longed for, He Is Love!

    …Hebrews 13:6…

  38. lindar says:

    So what happens when the muslim soldier (in our military) has to have prayer five times p/day facing Mecca?

  39. Ron Murphy says:

    You people thinking you are going to escape the wickedness of this world by rapture, are the most selfish people, I know. You think you are better than anyone. You look for a way to escape, when the early Christians, loved each other so much they gave all they had to one another, yet they died in Christ as martyrs, you consider yourselves better than they. You anger, God that you deem yourself special. That’s what happened to Israel, their pride took them down. Are you better than all those that are dying today for Christ. How can you deem yourself so righteous, when you can’t even get along with yourselves on here. I hope I’ve angered you. Maybe you will wake up before it hits you square in the face.

    • Little bird says:

      Ron is on point. I shake my head sometimes at all the arguing that goes on here. I see people going back and forth like little kids. We are not setting a good example for others that might be coming here who are not saved.

  40. brian says:

    bho is a nwo,un,cfr,fed reserve,bilderburg sob errand boy who is pushing their agenda as fast as he can….they think they play the tune and we dance to it…..keep yer muskets clean!

  41. Mark says:


    Karin:

    I am the great great great grand daughter of Governor Pollock of Penna. 1855-1858. He was selected by Pres. Lincoln to director and superentendent of th US mint after serving as Governor. Gov Pollock was the man who initiated the motto ” In God We Trust” on all currency. He was an amazing Godly man and did many wonderful things for this country. I have a book on him and his tomb stone in Milton Penna. with the national motto inscribed in it. At his funeral, the pastors sermon, he was quoted as saying “My dear sir, I am willing to be anything or nothing for Christs sake”. He was a true man of GOD!! I am proud to come from such a GODLY heritage…I am sure he would be heartbroken to see this country going to hell…..the last thing we have left is the motto on the money but soon that will be gone too…….end time prophesy is unfolding rapidly and it is an honor to be chosen for this hour in time! Get right with GOD, serve him…time is short…

    Regardless of your kin’s faith or involvement with USA currency design, the fact is that America was founded on Freemasonry. And the latter is not holy in the least.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      You are very rude Mark. That is no way to talk to a new blogger on this site. And you people call yourselves Christians. You would be a pour bunch to go to heaven with. God is a God of love, be like Him. Quit hurting people for no reason. Just because things are getting bad, is no reason to get angry with the people that are in your boat, you may need them to paddle, so quit bashing them over the head. You may have to pull together in a little while, when the real trouble starts.

      • Yes kindness and Christian love often takes a back seat on this site Ron. If I for one have ever offended or been harsh to any of you I deeply apologize. This is no time not to be full of love for each other and on fire for CHRIST.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          I believe you are in good standing, my brother. I’ve never heard a hard word out of you. And like me, if you do say something harsh it is out of love for your brethren in Christ. God bless you, brother.

  42. we are now in the horizon war. but remember the man of desolation is near to us. the great man rise in europe stand in mediteranian sea oh how great he is.

  43. OH ISRAEL NATION THE CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD WE ARE PRAYING FOR YOU TO BE SUCCES. ABOUT THE REBUILDING OF THE TEMPLE FINISH IT NOW.

  44. Mark A. Neff says:

    This is crazy! I guess he want’s everyone to be muslims. Obama and his whole antichrist puppet crew need to go. They all need to go straight to hell in a hand basket.

  45. Gerry says:

    Obama and his staff are ALL satanilcally possessed! It seems that each week that passes by something big is happening within this country! Do the people have no voice? We should start a rally and stir up everyone else who is not on board with this demonic administration. If we do not speak up they will do as they please! Obama is on a power trip it’s time WE KICK IT OFF ITS HIGH HORSE!

  46. Kobie says:

    May God have mercy on there souls… There is only one way to heaven and that is through Jesus Christ. And if you deny Jesus, He will send you to hell for eternity..
    Don’t let satan rob you of you eternity with Jesus!!!!!!!

  47. Satan says:

    Let’s get them muslins!

  48. Satan says:

    Them muslins are far less edumacated then us here Christians. They don’t even bang their own sisters!

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Zec 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

  49. Mark says:


    Ron Murphy:

    You are very rude Mark. That is no way to talk to a new blogger on this site. And you people call yourselves Christians. You would be a pour bunch to go to heaven with. God is a God of love, be like Him. Quit hurting people for no reason. Just because things are getting bad, is no reason to get angry with the people that are in your boat, you may need them to paddle, so quit bashing them over the head. You may have to pull together in a little while, when the real trouble starts.

    Nay, Ron, just stating facts. Freemasonry is not of God. Anyway, the point is that America is not of God. Not the Christians within it, but the evil system behind it, and those whom follow and worship it.

    We live inside a wild beast, as do all peoples in this world. Every heathen kingdom (country or nation) is a beast in Gods eyes. However those folk whom call unto God, are a separated and saved lot, no matter how perfect they live. From Pentecost until the rapture/resurrection event, the holy kingdom is being formed.

    All whom confess Christ are become members of the growing holy church (body of Christ), as scripture clearly declares. All whom deny Christ belong to the world and Satan. However all unbelievers post rapture receive a second salvation option, through the coming terrible tribulation hour. Scripture declares things ;-)

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Not all the founding fathers were Masons. The Masonic order is evil, yes I agree. They are Illuminati. They have been here since, the days of Babel. No doubt satan’s tool. But will you condemn every man in Government, Just because of the Mason’s. We American’s make the choice, of who we elect. We made a bad choice. Get over it. Speak against it. But live with it. Jesus didn’t like what Rome was doing in his day, but He didn’t come to destroy Rome. He puts up, whom He chooses. It is our sins of this nation that we must bare. We poured this on our own heads, so repent and quit crying foul.

  50. Mark says:


    Gerry:

    Obama and his staff are ALL satanilcally possessed! It seems that each week that passes by something big is happening within this country! Do the people have no voice? We should start a rally and stir up everyone else who is not on board with this demonic administration. If we do not speak up they will do as they please! Obama is on a power trip it’s time WE KICK IT OFF ITS HIGH HORSE!

    Can you stop a runaway train with your bare hands? We can’t halt or alter prophecy, and Obama is in prophecy.

  51. Mark says:


    Mark A. Neff:

    This is crazy! I guess he want’s everyone to be muslims. Obama and his whole antichrist puppet crew need to go. They all need to go straight to hell in a hand basket.

    They all will be doomed in due time ;-)

  52. Mark says:


    reynaldo camahalan:

    OH ISRAEL NATION THE CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD WE ARE PRAYING FOR YOU TO BE SUCCES. ABOUT THE REBUILDING OF THE TEMPLE FINISH IT NOW.

    The temple can only be built when religious conflict there is ended. At present the conflict still prevails.

  53. Mark says:


    reynaldo camahalan:

    we are now in the horizon war. but remember the man of desolation is near to us. the great man rise in europe stand in mediteranian sea oh how great he is.

    The last great war (WW3) is not yet begun, but the dark king sits upon the thrones; USA, UN. The latter will be the global seat of the beast. Research is the answer ;-)

  54. Karin says:

    While you may or may not be right GODS word says GREATER IS HE WHO IS IN ME THEN he WHO IS IN THE WORLD. I AM FOUNDED IN GOD! Satan is counterfiet. I know how the story ends….thats all that matters.

  55. Sandra says:

    No matter how hard they try, no one will be able to stripe GOD out of this Country. GOD is every where and in everything, The bible says Don’t temp the Lord your GOD. He will abolish his enemies.

  56. Cea says:

    Signed against this

  57. Mary Ann Lang says:

    Stop secretary Hagel to stop working with Weinstein period !!! We don’t want any anti Christian person telling our military they can’t speak or say anything about their religion !!! Hegel needs to go if he keeps working with Weinstein !!!

  58. Brian says:

    Where’s the sources? As far as I can tell this is completely false. I was able to find one christian news article that says a meeting took place between an atheist organization and the pentagon regarding the subject, but it went nowhere.

    If you want credibility, I suggest you not spread lies or stretch the truth.

  59. Real life says:

    You people are f’g nuts! You really believe that the president is trying to get rid of the Christian religion? It’s a good thing they can’t put anything on the Internet that isn’t true.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      You , Sir, are in great denial. He is protecting the Muslim faith and fighting the Christian faith. Two faiths that contradict, totally. Muslims want to end Christianity once and for all. You want to know something, I show you a mystery, they are going to do that very thing. It is coming soon, near to your neighborhood.

      • Teresa says:

        Ron Murphy, That was a good and kind response to Mark concerning Karin and the masons. I do believe about the dark shadow government but all do not work for the evil one. Mark and you are both right as is Karin. God bless and I love my Christian family. WE belong to Christ and He loves us.

  60. Randall Fain says:

    Is this for all religions, i.e., Muslims, Wickens, Cults and Occults, as well as Christians. If not WHY?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Christians should not be forced to observe holidays of Wickens, Cults, and Occults. We are contrary to them. We hate and eschew evil and darkness of any kind. It is our enemy.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      You are right, but that is the way the world is turning. Evil is winning the spiritual war. So this persecution will bleed over to the general public. Just like these new holidays.

  61. John Hughes says:

    Good. I hated being proselytized too all the way through basic training. I was offered a Bible avery other day, punished by inane chores for not attending Sunday services, and treated worse because I did not believe. This junk has to stop. The military is an organization with a purpose; that purpose is not, in any way, the advancement of religion. Part of the freedom of religion is the freedom to choose no religion. Good on you military, about time.

  62. Nora trundle says:

    It just amazes me to hear this!!!! what ever happen to freedom of speech etc… oh I guess we the people no longer have the same rights as we use to…..come on what the hell next???

  63. Joseph says:

    Sorry JT you are wrong-the government DOES have a religion. It is called Gaia worship. They worship Nature, their religious symbols are on our money and all over government buildings nationwide.
    Mainstream Christianity has been cut off from God because the Church has been tricked into serving the Beast under our illegal Tax Code. Christian leaders are assisting this Beast System by surrendering Foundational Christian principles in exchange for Tax exempt status! If there is a separation of Church & State, why is the church under such control by all these laws which restrain said “freedom”? OUR symbols must be removed while Satanic symbols flourish and Homosexuality is the new normal-while us Heteros are now considered ‘freaks’.

  64. How ironic that our soldiers would be denied the right to speak on the very foundational issue that caused our country to come into being. They can die for us but can’t have the comfort of their chaplains or other soldiers speaking to them of God? The role of chaplain was already denuded years ago in outrageous ways and this is the final death blow. It sounds like the Pentagon is backing off some, which is even scarier. This problem will go underground and only come back up when the deal is done. The anti-God crowd has become powerful and the absurd has become reality. May God help us all. Come quickly, Lord Jesus!

  65. Proselytization means to CONVERT a person from one belief, doctrine, cause, or faith to another.

    It would be disrespectful for a soldier or anyone to try to convert someone to their own faith, especially if they repeatedly tell the person they’re not interested.

    Why do people keep trying to impose their religion on everybody? It seems to me the intent behind this rule isn’t to suppress religion, but respect everyone’s right to belief what they choose to believe, and prevent people from harassing them into switching teams.

    Silly reason to blame a president, this is a policy that’s commonplace even at private workplaces run by devoutly religious people.

  66. Truth Seeker says:

    This entire website spins every other religion in a negative light.

    Guess what guys? they all think the same of you!

    As a member of the free thinking world, I agree with the url of your website.

    Now the end begins.

    And it’s people like you who are to blame.

  67. Mark says:


    Ron Murphy:

    Not all the founding fathers were Masons. The Masonic order is evil, yes I agree. They are Illuminati. They have been here since, the days of Babel. No doubt satan’s tool. But will you condemn every man in Government, Just because of the Mason’s. We American’s make the choice, of who we elect. We made a bad choice. Get over it. Speak against it. But live with it. Jesus didn’t like what Rome was doing in his day, but He didn’t come to destroy Rome. He puts up, whom He chooses. It is our sins of this nation that we must bare. We poured this on our own heads, so repent and quit crying foul.

    The root of the problem is that Satan rules this world. God gave him that right after the fall in Eden. So as Paul stated, our battle is against Satan and his angels, not against people per se. But Satan uses people to do his dirty deeds. The Illuminati was created by him through people and deception. In fact the elite (not all) believe that God is the evil one, and Satan the good one. That how mixed up things really are on top. But if we as a nation follow after their evil offerings, we have only ourselves to blame. Just like in our personal lives, if we sin we face it’s consequences.

    P.S. We vote officials into office yes, but they have the power to sway votes their way. In reality the voting thing is more a game than anything, especially with presidential elections. Makes for entertainment, as the heads decide whom they want on the throne. Case in point the past Bush vs. Gore voting scandal.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Well Mark, I guess I’m Going to have to agree with you. I surely can’t argue the point. They black ball who they want to and praise who they want to, and they use their power and money to get it done. I know you are thinking they will be behind the antichrist, But I see it differently. They may have some influence to that effect, it goes much deeper.

      • Mark says:

        Ron, the Antichrist is of Satan. Literally as Jesus was God incarnate, the Antichrist will be Satan incarnate. Agreed?

        Anyway, scripture states… Dan 11:31 KJV – And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

        Who are the ‘arms’? I suspect the evil power elite. In any case, the Antichrist will be revealed in his time. And it’s not which person, it’s when Satan enters the chosen one. If Obama is to be the one, then it will be revealed then. For now he is just another president, doing strange things. Anyway, the ‘abomination of desolation’ is the key. As after it occurs, the great tribulation begins.

        Personally I believe that the ‘abomination of desolation’ is the revelation of Satan in the flesh. And when Satan is revealed at long last, so shall all his now invisible dark angels be exposed.. uncloaked. Then the NWO goal will be attained, as Satan will then be God (to the world).

        The pyramid capstone with all seeing evil eye will be finally joined onto it’s base, completing the NWO satanic pyramid. And thus assuring in the great hour of darkness upon earth. The time of death and slavery, where salvation is by martyrdom, not by grace.

        Of course I’ve admittedly no exact scripture to prove all these things, so we shall just have to wait and see what future transpires? ;-)

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

          • Mark says:


            Ron Murphy:

            Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

            But hasn’t that been the case for many years now? For certain, the city and 2nd temple were destroyed in 70AD by the Romans. Then the holy land was desolate for centuries, until 1948. When Israel was reborn, along with the city. However the temple was not rebuilt due to religious conflict.

            But the Jews intend to rebuild it, and resume ancient sacrifice rituals. They even have a website regarding things.. The Temple Institute. All the temple items are made, all they need is the temple built. But as Jewish vs Muslim conflict unresolved, the temple cannot yet be rebuilt.

            And scripture states that the temple must be rebuilt for the end time prophecy to fulfill. So I wonder what will break the conflict? War? Peace? At present the Mideast is a boiling pot, then there is North Korea issue. And although stuff not noted in the bible, the reality is happening at a frightening pace nowadays.

  68. Mark says:


    Steve:

    Christ has “gifted” Obama to us for removing Him from our government institutions, schools, and most public places.
    God’s patience is quickly running thin, then He will turn this mother Earth over to Satan. When all the cooks out there ever wonder what happened to us who’ve been taken out of this evil world, it will be only then a few remaining will really hit the scriptures and seek God, and they’ll have a chance to repent of their sins and receive Christ, but must endure the Great Tribulation.

    Exactly brother ;-) Today is grace, tomorrow is law. Today is confusion, tomorrow is reality.

    According to the bible, ‘a great multitude’ will become tribulation martyrs (not just a few). Just as the growing holy kingdom is huge even now. Every new Christian adds to the flock since Pentecost. The number of saved ones at the end will be incomprehensible. Just as will the number of unsaved ones.. ‘like the sand of the sea’.. in-numerable.

  69. Mark says:


    Darth Continent:

    Proselytization means to CONVERT a person from one belief, doctrine, cause, or faith to another.
    It would be disrespectful for a soldier or anyone to try to convert someone to their own faith, especially if they repeatedly tell the person they’re not interested.
    Why do people keep trying to impose their religion on everybody? It seems to me the intent behind this rule isn’t to suppress religion, but respect everyone’s right to belief what they choose to believe, and prevent people from harassing them into switching teams.
    Silly reason to blame a president, this is a policy that’s commonplace even at private workplaces run by devoutly religious people.

    Assuming the article is true, it goes beyond ‘proselytization’. It attacks freedom of Christian religion period. But this is only part of the picture. Freedom in general is being gradually eroded away in this land. America is no longer the land of the brave and free. It has become a land of tyranny, and the trend is getting worse day by day even.

    In any case, the original apostles never forced their faith on anyone. They simply spoke their words, and moved onward. Some folk followed them, others departed their own ways. A far contrast from today’s Christian approach.

  70. Mark says:


    One of His own:

    How ironic that our soldiers would be denied the right to speak on the very foundational issue that caused our country to come into being. They can die for us but can’t have the comfort of their chaplains or other soldiers speaking to them of God? The role of chaplain was already denuded years ago in outrageous ways and this is the final death blow. It sounds like the Pentagon is backing off some, which is even scarier. This problem will go underground and only come back up when the deal is done. The anti-God crowd has become powerful and the absurd has become reality. May God help us all. Come quickly, Lord Jesus!

    The majority of the populace blindly worships the devil, and this dark stuff is the end result of their foolish ways.

    P.S. Christ will return when the hour is ripe, not because our wishes. And only God knows when that hour will be.

  71. Mark says:


    Karin:

    While you may or may not be right GODS word says GREATER IS HE WHO IS IN ME THEN he WHO IS IN THE WORLD. I AM FOUNDED IN GOD! Satan is counterfiet. I know how the story ends….thats all that matters.

    Satan owns this world, but God owns his children. Satan can harass even kill us, but he can’t touch our souls anymore. By faith choice, we are sealed unto redemption. But as such we are called to be witnesses of the faith, and as well exposers of evil schemes.

  72. KB says:

    And another thing; he claims “it’s spiritual rape!” Well that’s BS!!! If he is an atheist…an atheist does not believe a human has a spirit. So lil mikey “YOU’RE FALSE” and full of LIES.

  73. Robin Harris says:

    The Lord cannot return to get his church soon enough! I am ashamed that our country is sliding into hell without a brake!

  74. pmartin says:

    If this is true the military would new violating federal law regarding freedom of speech.

  75. lahoma burns says:

    In the Bible it states “THAT WE WOULD BE PERSECUTED FOR HIS NAME SAKE”. Look at the disciples they were tortured, crucified, stoned, etc., Without God we have no military and I hope and pray that those that are Christians stand firm in their faith and their God. They will come out victorious. God bless our military and God bless those of you who are reading this post. My God sits on the right hand of the father and YES HE IS COMING BACK AGAIN.

    • Mark says:

      Are we NOT always persecuted for Christ? Persecution has many forms. It can be simple mockery, or unto execution. Really depends on local and land laws. For certain expressing Jesus is forbidden in Islamic places, or under certain dictatorships. But in America we still can express our faith, though that window is sadly closing. Someday Christianity will be globally considered a crime worthy of death.. during TRIBULATION!

  76. Don’t Ask Don’t Tell?

  77. Concerned American says:

    It’s unbelievable that you, as Christians, feel persecuted by this. When’s the last time you were arrested because you were thought to be a threat cause of your religion? When’s the last time you couldn’t practice your religion in public? You have such a double standard on religion: you target non-Christian groups, but feel absolutely hated when your standards are used against you. If you want creationism and Christian views to be taught in school, you have to teach every religion. Period. Do you want your children taught about Scientology, possibly corrupting them? This is absolutely needed, and includes every religion. Nothing like a Christian news source to report the attacking of Christian beliefs…

    • Mark says:

      At present America and other civilized nations are safe enough havens for all faiths or none. However not true in other places. In fact in many places, Christians are condemned. This has occurred for centuries even.

      Unfortunately at this time there are no easy answers to make for world peace and holy understanding. There is too much mystery, no proof of things yet.

      But the bible declares that the mystery will not prevail forever. And in due time all will know the truth, as the reality will reveal it ;-)

    • Get educated ,SHILL

  78. LEVI:
    Today News: May 2, 2013-
    U.S. Navy has first squadron of jets ( drones) squadron is called ” Magicians.”

    Pentagon ban raises specter of Court-Marial for soldiers sharing “Faith.” The Defense Dept. wants the word” Faith ” banned.

    Vactican astronomers are searching for alien life! ( I guess the Universal Church needs to explain why people just disappeared for no reason!

  79. JERI: Pick up on blog 124.

  80. CJ says:

    This is not new, I have been in the military for 17 years and this rule has always been in place, it just means we have to live our faith rather than talk about it. Jesus said that they would know us by our love, well it just gives military Christians a deeper call to love. St. Francis had it right when he said preach the gospel always and when necessary use words.

    • pearl says:

      I disagree; proselytizing is a necessary component of Christianity. “Go teach ye all nations…” This is a central part of being Christian and every Christian soldier I ever knew prayed with his fellow soldiers when they were in desperate straits. You are being willfully blind to defend this as even DoD states it is a departure from past practice.

  81. Jesus said that because “they” hated Him, they will hate and persecute His followers. Well, like an earlier writer stated, ” we know how it all ends” Jesus reminds us that He has “overcome” the world and that includes all of His “enemies”. Stand firm my Brothers and Sisters, He’s coming back not as a Baby but as The LION of Judah. It can’t be soon enough as far as I’m concerned. This country has gone the way of the world–so far from what the USA was founded on–belief in JESUS CHRIST, The SON of GOD.

  82. pearl says:

    I think it must be recognized that petitions, demonstrations, and civil disobedience are all unavailing against a govt that is hostile to the foundation of our country and all of its loyal citizens. The govt today is intent on destroying America and remaking it in a different form without our approval or consent. Such an agenda would have been called treason 50 years ago. Today, it is official policy and Americans who oppose it will be subject to death.

  83. coops46 says:

    You people are all ignorant and close minded. Shame on you all for hating Muslims. I have many friends who are Muslim and.. wait.. wait GASP! they are not terrorists. You guys show nothing but hate for anyone but your “kind”. Our country was never found on religion. People came to America to get AWAY from religion. It is people like you who feel the need to cram it down every ones throat. Obama is not trying to take Christianity away. He is accepting the fact that not everyone in our country is the same religion. It is not right to only cater to one “breed”. Get over yourselves. God and government should next be in the same circumstance. If you really believe thought someone will get prosecuted for praying, then I only pity you. Stop watching Fox News. It is nothing but propaganda and you sheep have all been sucked in.

  84. Mark says:

    If I may enlighten a few here? Scripture clearly states that the church rapture/resurrection occurs before the time of the end, not during or after.

    1Cr 15:22-25 KJV – For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

    Seems a fair number of believers aren’t aware of the above passage? The tribulation/wrath period occurs in the end segment, after the church is delivered.

    Then after the tribulation/wrath is over, the OT saints and tribulation martyrs will be resurrected.. at the end of days. There are clearly two parts to the first resurrection event; early, later. And hence two parts to the 2nd coming; for the church, for the world.

    Paul stated that the true believers will not face wrath of any kind. In fact if we were forced to endure the great tribulation, what value would there be in promised grace salvation? Think hard about it ;-)

    Then finally after the millennial reign, the rest of the dead.. unbeliever lot is resurrected unto judgment.

    P.S. Do some of you people not see this clear factor?

    • Tracy says:

      Mark,
      Amen, that’s the way I see it.
      God Bless

    • What value would there be in promised grace salvation, if you were to die right now? That is the promise—to be resurrected, that is the blessed hope…to be able to rise from the dead, and to live with Christ forever. After all, that is why Christ died, that we might have life.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Okay, Very good Mark, that makes a lot of sense, to your view of things , I can see that. Now if I may, please? I would like to show my view.
      1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
      Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
      Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
      Surely this is the first fruits and the prophets of old, notice “many ” and not all.
      1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
      1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
      1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
      Only one time, people. Only one resurrection at his coming.
      1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
      Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

      1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
      1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
      Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
      Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

      1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
      1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
      That is what the Bible tell so that is what I believe. :)

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
        It doesn’t say all the raptured church here, but just the martyrs of Christ, This is the first resurrection.

        Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
        The first resurrection is one, not are more.
        Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
        He did not say all that did not partake in this, first resurrection was lost. He say that all those that took part in this, was free from the second death, in other words, these would all be alive and reigning with Christ.

        Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
        Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
        This is the second ressurrection.

        Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
        Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
        Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
        This Lambs book of life was not used for judging, the other books were openned for that. This book was openned for Christ to proclaim your name before the Father, that you are His, the Lamb of God.

  85. Ron: Your being attack by Little Bird, I don’t think this little bird, likes your theory?

  86. Ron: Just one question, why are these bloggers using these false names?

  87. Mark: Ron does not see what you described about the Rapture, and how he comes across to us, he is convince we are all wrong about the Rapture. and by his comments using scripture proves he’s right, we are all wrong!

  88. Mark says:


    Pastor Steven LaRue:

    Mark: Ron does not see what you described about the Rapture, and how he comes across to us, he is convince we are all wrong about the Rapture. and by his comments using scripture proves he’s right, we are all wrong!

    Yes I know all that Steven, but sadly not all believers understand things properly ;-(

    Well the rapture clearly includes all true Christians (not pretenders), even those lost in the dark by their learning or beliefs. For certain, God would never put his beloved children through the great tribulation, as that would make him a tyrant, not a friend?

    So therefore, the tribulation lot will be those whom deny Christ today, which tomorrow will awaken (many). The mockers and atheists and all, will choose Jesus over the beast.. as they will then see the horrors of the devil unleashed.

    And they will be unable to deny or laugh anymore, as they find themselves cast into the death camps, with enforced micro-chipping. Just like was with the past Nazi holocaust horror, only that the next holocaust will be global and unimaginable in its nightmare fashion.

    P.S. People must choose Christ now, or face the hell of tomorrow! And salvation today is not at all hard to gain.

    • Mark, while we are debating about pre-trib and post-trib, many, as of right now, are going thru their great tribulation, in these other heathen countries. It’s just a matter of time, before it spreads throughout the world. The great tribulation is almost here, for all of us. Christ died, that whether we live or die, we might attain eternal life. One thing that God said, is true, that if we die, standing for the name of Jesus, that we are assured of a place , to rule with Him, and to rule the nations with Him, in His kingdom. Wouldn’t that be awesome? Now that is something to look forward to, don’t you think? That’s what I’m looking for, and waiting for, for this is ‘the patience of the saints’.

  89. ruel diasnes says:

    ABC of salvation, A-accept Jesus as your savior B-believe that Jesus died for us C-confess that you are a sinner

  90. Mark:
    Thank you showing others that we will not have to go through the Tribulation. God give us common sense, I’ve tried to explain it to others that Christ will not make special education children go through this horrible tribulation. But I believe their has to be something so horrible to bring about this Tribulation for our economics to fall apart to bring about this Tribulation, or the President of the USA will just continue his lies and making more money and higher inflation, that will be the Rapture right before the Tribulation. And those who feel so strongly about going into the Tribulation, will feel let down by Christ, these ones will fall from grace and enter this horrible period called the Tribulation.

    Local NEWS: Defense Dept. said on Thursday, made comments service members can share faith, but must not forced unwanted, intrusive attempts to convert others of any faith or faith’s one belief ( proselytization).

    U.S. gave Isreal Bunker Buster Bomb to bomb Iran nuclear plants.

    • Mark says:


      Pastor Steven LaRue:

      Mark:
      Thank you showing others that we will not have to go through the Tribulation. God give us common sense, I’ve tried to explain it to others that Christ will not make special education children go through this horrible tribulation. But I believe their has to be something so horrible to bring about this Tribulation for our economics to fall apart to bring about this Tribulation, or the President of the USA will just continue his lies and making more money and higher inflation, that will be the Rapture right before the Tribulation. And those who feel so strongly about going into the Tribulation, will feel let down by Christ, these ones will fall from grace and enter this horrible period called the Tribulation.
      Local NEWS: Defense Dept. said on Thursday, made comments service members can share faith, but must not forced unwanted, intrusive attempts to convert others of any faith or faith’s one belief ( proselytization).
      U.S. gave Isreal Bunker Buster Bomb to bomb Iran nuclear plants.

      1) You’re most welcome Steven. All Christians should be aware that the Tribulation is reserved for unbelievers, not for believers. The Tribulation will be unlike anything else in all of history. It will be a literal unholy invasion unto the world. When Satan and his angels are cast down to bring terror unto earth. It will be a time of supernatural dark happenings. Satan will be fully god of the world then. His true terrible presence revealed.

      2) The Tribulation is not dependent on politics but rather on prophecy. These strange things occurring today are the signs indicating that the holy return is getting closer. That people need to wake up and repent, so that they may have future hope.

      3) Not true Steven, as scripture states that ALL believers will be raptured pre-tribulation. Not just those believers whom believe they will be raptured then. Or those whom devoutly avoid sin. The rapture/resurrection has nothing to do with our Christian walk. It has everything to do with our status as children of God. Through salvation we become Gods children, of which family status is eternal. And Christian salvation is gained simply by believing unto Christ. Nothing more nor less. The church letters detail things ;-)

      4) I agree that Christ is an offering, not a demand. No religion should be forced upon anyone, nor atheism. People have to decide for themselves on such matters. Our only job part as Christians is to express Christ; by the word, by our walk. Then if people choose to follow, we open our doors unto them. If they choose to depart, we simply let them go their ways.

  91. DM2: All this useless talk from you! GO AWAY! Maybe you need to listen to others, than having a close mind?

    • Larue, you need to listen to others, you were just schooled about salvation by mark in post 151.
      3
      The same thing I have told you,
      Mark just did it better, THANKYOU MARK………

      • Mark says:

        You’re most welcome DM :-)

        We Christians should learn to love and respect each other. Not; argue, bicker, and quarrel, regardless of our differences of religious opinion. After all, we alone are Gods beloved children in this world. And as Gods children we should such abide Gods wishes of peace and harmony within the holy flock.

        We should also respect unbelievers, not that we should follow their path. Rather we should do our best to show them the true light, in hopes that they will repent. They too can be saved, and be children of God. But most need us to bring them into the light. We should never condemn unbelievers, nor should we condemn those of the flock. Both negatives can hurt both instances!

        P.S. These words are holy and true, for God has given them unto me to declare in this place, and unto you ;-)

  92. Sharon says:

    It would be nice if people who promote such stuff actually sought the truth before getting a lot of naïve people up in arms

    Note the highlighted portions. The first part talks about what leaders cannot do (use position to promote a religion, extend preferential treatment) and the second is a restatement of Constitutional guarantees to free exercise. Basically this policy just restates the Constitution. In essence, all the policy is saying is that you can’t use your position of authority to try to convert your subordinates to a specific ideology

    • Mark says:

      Did you not read the reference link to article? It reeks of hatred towards the bible and Christians in the military.

      Anyway, America is gradually turning away from God, and this is just another example of it. When the ancient Jews turned from God, he turned from them. With the result of no protection from enemies, lost battles, and enslavement.

      America in defiance now proudly denies Gods presence, and as a result will future suffer for their foolish ignorance. And Obama continually leads the blind flock into the pit of deception.

  93. Brenda:
    We have rights that was given to us by God, to preach God good news to all. But Satan doesn’t like us talking to unbelievers. Even in one family, they will not agree on the message from God! Because our ideas are different from one another. We are soldier of God. There will be difference between husband and wife, in their theory of the scriptures. I know that you were raised around a different teachings than Ron was taught. So there will be differences between both of you and Ron. And it will cause divisions in our relationship. As for me my wife is a devout Catholic, I’m a Christian Jew, it causes alot of differences how we react to each other. But I go to prayer and ask God for a little help! We need to understand we are not in control of ourselves, God’s in control of us!

  94. Mark says:


    Brenda Murphy:

    Mark, while we are debating about pre-trib and post-trib, many, as of right now, are going thru their great tribulation, in these other heathen countries. It’s just a matter of time, before it spreads throughout the world. The great tribulation is almost here, for all of us. Christ died, that whether we live or die, we might attain eternal life. One thing that God said, is true, that if we die, standing for the name of Jesus, that we are assured of a place , to rule with Him, and to rule the nations with Him, in His kingdom. Wouldn’t that be awesome? Now that is something to look forward to, don’t you think? That’s what I’m looking for, and waiting for, for this is ‘the patience of the saints’.

    Brenda, I agree that the world is a cauldron of tribulations (troubles). In fact that has been the case from the beginning. Both Jews and Christians have long been persecuted throughout the centuries, unto today.

    As for the Great Tribulation, no one really knows when. All we know is that it will be a time of global horror. Today the end stage is being created and tested. The Illuminati elite are behind the NWO game. Today is grace salvation, tomorrow will not be so.

    As Christians of today we are sealed unto redemption. We have the holy spirit born within us, guiding us. No matter our denominational or non-denominational status. Our patience is our trusting unto Gods future promises. In that fact we are unlike the world. We worship God with understanding. The world worships Satan in ignorance.

    Tip: All of us are subject unto death daily, but believers have future hope, unbelievers don’t have such.

  95. Mark says:

    Brenda – I agree that the world is a cauldron of tribulations (troubles). In fact that has been the case from the beginning. Both Jews and Christians have long been persecuted throughout the centuries, unto today.

    As for the Great Tribulation, no one really knows when. All we know is that it will be a time of global horror. Today the end stage is being created and tested. The Illuminati elite are behind the NWO game. Today is grace salvation, tomorrow will not be so.

    As Christians of today we are sealed unto redemption. We have the holy spirit born within us, guiding us. No matter our denominational or non-denominational status. Our patience is our trusting unto Gods future promises. In that fact we are unlike the world. We worship God with understanding. The world worships Satan in ignorance.

    Tip: All of us are subject unto death daily, but believers have future hope, unbelievers don’t have such hope.

  96. Pastor, you are right, God has called some to spread the good news to others, and to teach the truth of the gospel.
    Though all don’t see eye to eye on everything, we have one beautiful thing in common–Jesus’ blood, that cleanses us from all unrighteousness, that is, if we stay in the love of God, and do His will.
    I was raised in the Church of Christ, but never belonged to it. When I married my first husband, we both were saved, in 2003. We studied the Bible, extensively. God opened up a lot of understanding to us. We were blessed. In 2007, we got bad news that he had lung cancer, and he lived a little over a year. His soul was saved, and I have comfort in that. I kept studying the Bible, even though I missed my study partner so very much. But, the good God that He is, He sent me another one, about 2 years after, which was Ron Murphy. I am very blessed, to say the least. Ron and I are blessed to see very much alike pertaining to Bible and God.
    Some couples do not, however, see the same. I think it’s a matter of culture, for you. Others, the way they are brought up to believe.
    But–yes, we are responsible for ourselves, to get in there and ask God for guidance, from the Holy Spirit. We are responsible for being in control of ourselves, but with help from the Holy Spirit. That’s where prayer comes in. He hears us, always. Whether he answers–is up to Him. If we are in His will, He will give us what we need. He is our Father, and He knows what is best for us. We have to trust and believe in Him.

    • Brenda: you have never personally ever attacked me on this web site. But your husband must just love insulting and attacking me. Is he stressed out at home, or is it with your own family, as he said, they do not believe his way? I believe that your first husband is in heaven in spirit form, but Ron believes when we die a christian life we just go to the ground for a waiting period, until we get to the end of the Tribulation.

      There is many Raptures in Biblical History, Enoch was caught up to heaven, Elijah was caught up to heaven, all the minor and major prophets was caught up to heaven-Matthew 27: 52-53 And it will happen in 1st Thess. 4: 14-17 we will be caught up to heaven. Now Ron is attacking Mark, because he believes in pre-tribulation, if we do not believe exactly as Ron believes we should he attacks with insults.

      Then he believes he’s appointed by God, to teach us that we are wrong. Basically every born again christian will always be a student of the Scriptures. Ron has controling issues?

      As for my wife believes different, but I’m not going to insult her because she wants to believe different than how I believe in God! That would make a very unhappy relationship!

      But I will never enter the Tribulation and Ron needs to except that!

  97. Mark says:

    Folks sorry about nearly duplicate posts, but this blog site was giving me fits today.. kept glitching with my comment posts. Anyway, seems things are back to normal now.. hopefully?

  98. Mark says:

    Well seems blog no longer glitched, and wasn’t on my end, as still had problems post reboot of system. Anyway, back to Christianity topic. Grace salvation is only given for today.

    There will be no grace during tomorrows coming tribulation. And those already saved today, need not be concerned with tomorrows hell on earth. For when Christ appears, we shall all go to meet him in heaven.. the skies above. Keep that hope in your hearts children.

    But the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. So our continual prime purpose as Christians is to bring the lost into the flock. However we are only required to share the gospel. We are not required to save the lost, as only God can do that part.

    We plant seeds and water, God opens their hearts.. if possible. Some folk can’t be saved now, as their hearts are too darkened. But during the great tribulation many presently lost will then see the light, and thus die for Jesus. Now I’ll leave you with a quote from H G Wells…

    “Countless people will hate the New World Order and will die protesting against it.” — H G Wells The New World Order (1940).

    P.S. The above factor is already in the works, as believers and NWO activists, along with Jews, are considered bad seed by the evil elite. We are genetically inferior, and thus must be eliminated.

    • I talk to my friends at”Messianic Jewish Synagogue.”
      www. yeshuatyisrael.com

      ” Yesuat Hashem Keheref Ayin”
      translated: God Salvation comes in a blink of an eye.

      All believers of the Messiah, after the cross. The church is composed of believing Jews and Gentiles beginning at Acts 2 until the Rapture. The fact is that the Messiah can come at any moment to gather His saints. There is no preconditions for the “catching away of believers.” If the Messiah comes in the middle of the Tribulation oe at the end of the Tribulation we would know exactly when He is coming and then we would get ready. The scriptures teach that the Messiah will come secretly before the wrath. The 2nd Coming is exactly 7 years after the signing of the Covanant with the Antichrist, but the Rapture could happen at any moment,

      1. Rapture at any moment- Matthew 24:42,44/ Luke 12:35
      2. Mansion prepared for believers- John 14: 1-3
      3. Living believers will meet the Messiah in the air but the dead saints rise first. 1 thess 4:13-18
      4. Believers recieve glorified bodies. 1 Cor. 15: 50-58
      5. Believers are delivered from the wrath to come. i Thess. 1: 9-10
      6. Yeshua comes secretly before the wrath. Luke 21: 36/ 1 Thess. 5: 1-10
      7. Shofar (Trumpet) of Righteousness blown 1 Cor. 15: 52

      The Church is not mention at anytime during the the 7 years of the wrath in the book of Revelation.

      The Church is mention in the first 3 Chapters of Revelation, and not again until Rev. 19: 11-16.

      The Tribulation saints all believers who accepted the Messiah will die horrible deaths except just a few.

      • Mark says:

        Yes the rapture time is unknown, but Jesus stated there would be prelude signs unto his coming. Therefore his coming can’t precede the signs. However to understand things, we need to study both the bible and world events in concurrence. How they relate or compare.

        Jesus said to watch, so as not to be caught by surprise. Paul later echoed things. For if we fail to observe, then we miss the signs. And those signs are given in various prophecies (Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Joel, Gospels, Revelation, etc), of which are far too many to include here now. (past bedtime hour)

        But in brief the prelude signs are; wars, disasters, famines, plagues, etc. Also; seals, trumpets, etc. These things aren’t all coming later, they are; past, present, future.. happenings. Web research reveals much ;-)

      • Maranatha, Come Lord Jesus! Amen

  99. Also Mark says:

    Jesus said, no one knows wich way the wind comes or goes. nor the endtime. except for the Father !!!

    We all are better off , just to forgive…for if we dont…we shall not be forgiven…

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