Southern Baptist Churches Start To Ordain Homosexuals And Perform Same-Sex Marriage Rituals

“In some ways, it’s going to open up a space for evangelical gay people to have a place again,” he says. “There will be a voice of biblical interpretation in the evangelical world that says the way this has been interpreted by the average preacher on AM radio every Sunday is not the only way that evangelicals read biblical literature.”
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The conversation at First Baptist Church Greenville took place well before the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision this summer to legalize same-sex marriages.

“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;” 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV)

In a highly-ironic twist, the First Baptist Church of Greenville, SC, the same church that produced the very first president of the Southern Baptist Convention, William Bullein Johnson, is now an LGBT-affirming, pro-same sex marriage, and pro-transgender church, and they don’t care what you think of them.

GreenvilleOnline.com reports that the dialogue was bold — particularly for one of downtown Greenville’s influential legacy churches that in its earliest years served as a birthplace for revered Southern Baptist institutions. Would the congregation be willing to allow same-sex couples to marry in the church? To ordain gay ministers? To embrace the complexities of gender identity? In an evangelical church born in the antebellum South? Whose founder more than a century and a half ago served as the inaugural president of the Southern Baptist Convention? Here, in Greenville? The answer to each was “yes.”

First Baptist Church to Ordain Transgender & Gay Ministers:

“What I heard was, ‘We need to do the right thing, regardless of what anybody thinks or says about us,’” says Jim Dant, the 184-year-old church’s senior minister who led the church through its six-month discernment. “There were a few people who said, ‘Are they going to start calling us the gay church in town?’”

The dialogue culminated into a consensus — the kind that, by the earliest tradition of Baptist discernment, resulted in a public affirmation by each present member.

“In some ways, it’s going to open up a space for evangelical gay people to have a place again,” he says. “There will be a voice of biblical interpretation in the evangelical world that says the way this has been interpreted by the average preacher on AM radio every Sunday is not the only way that evangelicals read biblical literature.”

A Personal Message from Pastor Jim Dant:

Dant has been on a one-man crusade to turn the First Baptist Church into a haven for unrepentant members of the LGBT lifestyle, a highly successful one at that. Listen to his “warm and fuzzy” welcome message.

While the SBC itself still mostly holds to Biblical truth, some of it’s members have already begun to pull away and attach themselves to the world. The Mississippi Conservative Daily writes of a war brewing within the Southern Baptist Convention that threatens to split it right down the middle. I believe that the Baptists will be the last group to fall, but if Revelation 3:20 is right, eventually they will fall as well.

When I visited the church’s website, I was not able to find a Statement Of Faith regarding their doctrinal beliefs. But a quick site search using the term “LGBT” revealed some interesting things though. Looks like Pastor Jim Dant is leading a revolution to convince his sheep that the Bible supports the LGBT lifestyle. He has created something he calls the LGBT Discernment Team, whatever that is. In another article he writes that “we will be discussing our church’s relationship to our LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender) brothers and sisters.” News flash for Pastor Jim – unrepentant LGBT people who are looking to the Bible to justify their lifestyle choices are not any Christian’s “brother and sister”. Not by a long shot.

“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” Romans 1:26,27 (KJV)

Should same-sex people be allowed into Christian churches? Absolutely they should, so they can hear the gospel preached from the Bible and get a chance to get saved from Hell. But allowed in to affirm and confirm their LGBT lifestyle as if it were something that God and the Bible approves of? Absolutely not. Should same-sex, openly homosexual and transgender people be allowed to be ordained as pastors or serve as music ministers in the church. Absolutely not. And just to be clear, no, active and open LGBT people should not be allowed membership in any Christian church. Church membership is only for saved, born-again Christians. The Church service, however, is open to anyone and everyone who wants to come and listen.

Pastor Jim also says that he hopes that the words of this song will lead and guide his church as they “move forward”:

The more we get together, together, together.
The more we get together, the happier we’ll be.
‘Cause your friends are my friends,
And my friends are your friends.
The more we get together, the happier we’ll be.

Aww, isn’t that so nice and sweet? Let’s all hold hands and sing Kumbaya as we walk into the chopper blades together. In 2015, in the Laodicean Church era, it is no longer about Biblical truth and following Bible doctrine. It’s all about “getting along”, and “loving each other”, and “not making waves”. Now you see why Jesus is on the outside of the Church house, knocking to be let back in. You cannot have Jesus and the active LGBT lifestyle in the same building.

“Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.” Revelation 3:20 (KJV)

And that, my friends, is what the “falling away” the apostle Paul warned us about looks like. It’s end times prophecy coming true right here, right now.

What will you do about it?

NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he has a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.
  • Paul

    Nailed it, Geoff. What always puzzles me is the stats. If the Homo population is maximum 5%, WHY do Govts and churches bend over backwards to comply with their wants and lifestyles? I think it is simply a conforming to the world. The majority are now brainwashed to think they are all so cute, harmless and even charming……especially women.

    • The Holy Spirit told me to forewarn, Christians are not to be alarmed, these people do not worship the Almighty God, who gave us Christ’s Cross, so sin from the hour this type of Holy God, gave up the Ghost would be forever resolved, don’t be deceived, see I Jn. 1:8-10, 3:3-10, Holy Spirit, AWAKE! Flee! Come Out Of This Evil, see more here, http://www.2015thestampede.blogspot.com http://www.2015jesuscomeknocking.blogspot.com

      When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:, Then let them who are in Judea flee into the mountains: Jesus, Mat. 24:15,16

    • “WHY do Govts and churches bend over backwards to comply with their wants and lifestyles?”

      For the same reason they promote abortion, euthanasia, GMO, drugs, stress people to suicide, and wars. For population control. That’s the common point for all these things: death! On the the Georgia Guidestones it is written:

      “Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.”

      But even after the world wars, there are now 7 billions people on earth.

      God destructed Sodoma and Gomorrha because of that “lifestyle”, so now Governments is forcing that “lifestyle” everywhere, waiting for God to do the dirty job of destruction and be blamed for it. They have faith and will obtain the destruction they want!… but God has another plan for WHO will escape…

      • Devon leEsley

        Gay pastor? No. But you are leaving something out. The single, self exalted, salaried pastor, is not scriptural either. See http://www.truthforfree.com

        • robery orn

          how can the Pastor tend to his flock, if he has another Job? I know that the bible does not say that a pastor should be payed by the church out right but! even the Apostle paul stated that his mission was to preach the gospel and certain followers funded him while he carried on his ministry, so, I fill that it is implied, as a Christian I witness to people at work, but sometimes I get distracted, I have no problem with paying a full time pastor

          • Edwitness

            Robery orn,
            Paul did not take anything for himself. He said as much in 2nd Cor.12:12-17. Paul worked as a tent maker for his keep. He did however make it clear that you don’t muzzle the ox when he is treading out the grain. So a worker is worth his hire.
            There is nothing wrong with a pastor being paid by his congregation, but Paul did not practice it.
            In a more contemporary time, Chuck Smith didn’t either. And it’s my understanding that Greg Laurie doesn’t either. They are the founder and early convert, now pastor at Calvary Chapel churches.
            Blessings:-}

          • Jimmy Ray Boots

            I heard that some of these Baptist churches were going to secretly have conversion camps set up on private land. Try to help these people snap out of the lifestyle.

        • Actually. paid ministers are biblical. That there should be a multiplicity of elders rather a single man, I agree, but they can all be paid, but the one who is the main man that teaches the Word is entitled to more than pay of the others. Paul said that though he had the right to a salary, but chose to take money from other churches so as not to charge the church he had started in Corinth.

          1Ti 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
          18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

          The word honor in Greek is where we get honorarium. They are worthy of double pay, but I was taught that it would be best for the pastor to have a median income so that he is not the richest person in the church or the poorest.

          Note that if you do not starve the ox that is plowing your corn neither should you not feed the pastor that is serving you the Word of the bread of life?

          2 Cor 11:8 I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service. – Clearly indicated that he did take a salary much like our missionaries today raise support from other

          Gal 6:6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things. – That does not mean just good feelings.

          1Co 9:
          5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
          6 Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working? <- not having a job.
          7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock? <- I was in the Army and they paid me. if I plant a garden, I will eat of it and shear my sheep.
          8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?
          9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
          10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
          11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
          12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
          13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? <- They were provided for by the people.
          14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

          Live of the gospel means to make a living per the context. Reaping carnal things is money or support. Back in the day, sometimes the pastor’s pay was produce, chickens, etc. That is not very practical today because we have more needs than that.

          The entire tribe of Levi was made a tribe with no land in the nation, but rather to be totally supported by the tithes. Offerings were for support of the temple.

          Most of my ministry has been bi-vocational and no salary from a church, At one, I got small stipend for gas and such that I joked was a rebate on my tithe. I was a full time pastor for just a few months before I had to go back to work to keep the church from folding and they only paid me $200 week, but did provide a parsonage and utilities. Right now, I am retired and do not require a salary from a church, but when i tell folks that I will be their minister for free they think something is wrong with me. i once told a church that I would be their pastor for 10K less than what they were offering and I think I insulted them as I never heard from them again. Indeed, if I were in it for the money, I would have starved to death. In fact, I gave back my honorarium to some small churches that I knew needed the money more than I did.

          If you can be FT, you can do more for your congregation, however, many churches cannot afford one pastor let alone multiple elders. If you want to say maybe they should close that is another conversation. I have heard the argument about not paying a pastor for years. If your church chooses to have a non-paid pastor and you can find one to do it, go for it, but that is not the biblical model in either OT or NT. It just is not.

    • Homosexuality is an ABOMINATION. It is written:

      “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is ABOMINATION” – Lev 3:18

      That abomination always existed in the world, but now we begin to SEE THE ABOMINATION STANDING WHERE IT OUGHT NOT (in the temple of God, in the church). Now is the time to flee to the mountains of salvation of God:

      “But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains” – Mark 13:14

      • Ron

        Marc the Abomination of Revelation is when the antichrist sets up his Image in a wing of the Jewish Temple during the Tribulation.
        There by alerting the Jews that he is the AC not the Real Jesus Christ.

        • I know that, but now there are no Jewish Temple, and there cannot be one unless someone dynamite the Dome of the Rock first… and I don’t think that the abomination of desolation will be just an image. Sometimes a prophecy has more than one fullfilment…

      • david boles

        Marc, please Google ” abominations in the bible ” There are 67 of them, not just one! In fact one article declares that ALL sin is an abomination to God. Therefore we are ALL guilty of abomination. “As it is written, None is righteous, just and truthful and upright and conscientious, no, not one.” (Romans 3:10) “…in fact, all the world stand hushed and guilty before Almighty God.” (Rom. 3:19) Who among us is without sin? I am so disappointed in so many so-called “Christians” who elevate themselves above other sinners instead of accepting their own sinful state by being equal in God’s sight with all fellow sinners. Psychologists report that people like that are only hiding or repressing something unbearable about themselves. “Look at me! I’m righteous!” “You say it is wrong to commit adultery, but do you commit adultery? No wonder the Scriptures say, ‘The Gentiles blaspheme the name of God because of you.” (Romans 2:22-24) Christ’s Great Commission is to encourage others to come to Him, not drive non-believers away! Now, who wants to commit an abomination with me? Join me for lunch at Red Lobster.

        We had a “gay” church try to open in our community years ago. The local “straight” churches, even the Mormon church, with its changed orthodox Christian definitions, came out in vehement protest, until I sent this letter to the editor. It was published. Everyone went silent. Case closed! The “gay” church re-identified itself and was open for business.

        Sign Outside Church:

        THIS CHURCH WELCOMES ALL SINNERS *

          Divorcees (Mal. 2:14-16)
          Adulterers (1 Cor. 6:9,10)
         Remarried Divorcees Living in Adultery (Jesus, Mark 10: 11,12)
         Men and Women Who Have Abandoned Their Spouses and Children. (deadbeat dads and moms.  1Tim. 5:8)
         Unmarried Couples Living in Fornication (1Thess. 4:2,3)
         Unwed Mothers and Fathers (esp. pregnant teenage girls and teen dads)
        Liars (like homophobes saying they’re straight! Exodus 20)
         All sinners guilty of just one of the over 600 sins mentioned in the Bible,  but swept under the carpet.
         Gays.

        * Self-righteous Hypocrites Also Welcome After Counsel With the Pastor

        Romans ch.1 AND ch. 2! 
        Matt, 7: 3-5

        Google ” sins in the bible ”

        “For the person who keeps all of the laws except one is as guilty as a person who has broken all of God’s laws.”  (James 2:10 New Living Translation)
        There are over six hundred sins in the Bible.
        Check out this list to see if perhaps there is a
        chance you are not listed among them.
        Good luck!  Yes, we should avoid anything that is a sin, but the whole point with God is that He requires absolute perfection as a prerequisite of Salvation! Only He, as the man Jesus Christ, can do that. Ok? Now, let’s all meet for lunch after church at Red Lobster. You can become an abomination too! There are sixty-seven abominations listed in the Bible, not just one! There are over six hundred sins listed in the Bible, not just one!

        • Edwitness

          David Boles,
          The sins you enumerate are only held to someone’s account when they are under the law. Rom.5:13. And the Gentiles, those nations who are not of Israel, have never been under the law because the law was given to Israel, not the whole world. Exodus 19:1-6 & Rom.2:14,15. Many Israelites kept the whole law. Paul and Zachariah and Elizabeth are three examples given that kept the law “blamelessly”. Luke 1:6 & Phil. 3:6. This was not unusual in Israel, it was expected. Jesus kept the law because He was an Israelite. Not because it made Him righteous or the “spotless lamb”. Gal. 3:21.
          The church has 2 commands. Love God… And love one another as Jesus has loved us. John 13:34 & 1stJohn 2:7-11.
          Therefore when the scripture tells us that “all have sinned” (Rom.3:23) and that “all are concluded in unbelief” and “sin” (Rom.11:32 & Gal.3:22) we can see that the sin referred to is not the breaking of the law. Which are the only sins you enumerated. They don’t even count for those not under the law. (Rom.5:13,14) And since Christ has come there is no one that is under the law. Not even Israel. Eph.2:11-18 & Rom. 7:1-7. In fact, when Jesus fulfilled the law it passed away, just as He said it would. “I came not to abolish the law, but to FUFILL it”. Mt.5:17,18.

          It is in John 16:9 we find the description of THE SIN that the whole world has been “concluded” to be guilty of since Christ has come. It is THE SIN that the Holy Spirit has been sent into the world to reprove us of. And therefore is the only sin that can keep you out of Heaven. “Because you have no faith in Me.”
          What are we to have faith in Jesus regarding? “…for if you believe not that I AM, you shall die in your sins.” We must believe that Jesus is God Almighty.

          You may think that this makes entrance into Heaven more accessible for the reprobate in Rom.1, but you would be wrong. Because the level of responsibility a son has is far greater than that which was required of Israel.
          A son has the responsibility to represent the family exactly. To be a witness. No matter the cost. Acts 1:8. While Israel was only responsible for the particular job she had assigned to her (the 10 commands and ordinances under the law), which is a tiny portion compared to what the son (church) is responsible for. The Father’s entire house. Look at Paul for a description of this. 2nd Cor.11:23-33. The experiences Paul describes here are those that all sons of God are called to in one way or another. And not a simple keeping of the law as Israel did.
          And when we experience some of these we are to “rejoice inasmuch as you are partakers (able to experience some) of Christ’s sufferings…” When did you ever hear of an Israelite rejoicing because of hardships related to their covenant with God?

          To be sure, the sins described by Paul in Rom.1 and Gal.5 are not a part of a love relationship with the Savior, Jesus Christ. They are an abomination and will lead to dire consequences. Rom.6. And a choice to make these our lifestyle does express their a lack of trust in Him. Luke 6:46. Which also could express that person’s not knowing Christ. Mt. 7:15-23. Can we love Jesus and commit these abominations? Possibly. But not likely. And certainly not as a lifestyle choice. Especially when you are aware that they are an abomination to God.
          Paul said it like this, “All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient (of benefit). All things are lawful unto me, but I will not be brought under the power of (made a slave to) any.” 1stCor.6:12 & Rom.6.
          Of all the sins, the only one that can keep us from Heaven is “NO FAITH(to trust in, cling to, rely upon) IN ME”, as Jesus said. John 16:9.
          A lifestyle choice, and not a ‘sometime sin’, to practice abominations most assuredly expresses no faith in Jesus.
          Homosexuals worship the pagan god Eros. They have failed the test of John 16:9.

          • david Boles

            Eyewitness, “The sins you enumerate are only held to someone’s account when they are under the law. Rom.5:13.” I KNOW THAT! Dang, this is my lifelong ministry to those who keep bringing up the law when it comes to homosexuals! We are NOT under the law. We are SAVED. What? Unless one is GAY? That seems to be the mindset among too many SELF-righteous, so-called “Christians.” Can remarried divorcees, who make the conscious CHOICE to divorce—how ironic is that?—still be saved because they willfully continue in what Jesus calls adultery? Homosexuality is NOT a “lifestyle choice.” Where does everybody get that? Both homosexuality and heterosexuality alike have everything to do with developmental psychology and one’s gender identification, good or bad, with the same-sex parent. “Can we love Jesus and commit these abominations? ” Well, guess what, we ALL commit these abominations in one way or another ALL THE TIME. Did you miss the part about eating lobster? Where’s the outrage about that abomination? 66 to go! Have you ever read the long list of abominations? Are we supposed to memorize all 67 of them to make sure we don’t commit ANY of them? Consider the criminal on the cross next to Christ who asked Jesus to simply remember him when He comes into His Kingdom. What did he “DO” to deserve God’s free gift of Salvation? Three words. He Trusted Christ. That’s all. Period. Done deal. I can hear you saying, “Well, that doesn’t mean we can just sin all we want to now.” I hear that all the time. We humans have NO part in our OWN Salvation. “Lest anyone should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8,9) God’s whole plan of Salvation is to eliminate PRIDE, the sin of Satan, from the hearts of man. Yet too many “Christians” stand in self-righteous pride of other sinners. God is not impressed!
            “But now God has shown us a different way to heaven—not by ‘being good enough’ and trying to keep his laws, but by a new way… Now God says he will accept and acquit us—declare us “not guilty”—if we trust Jesus Christ to take away our sins. And we all can be saved in this same way, by coming to Christ, NO MATTER WHO WE ARE or what we have been like. Yes, ALL have sinned; ALL [except heterosexuals?] fall short of God’s glorious ideal; yet now God declares us ‘not guilty’ of offending him if we trust in Jesus Christ, who in his kindness freely takes away our sins.” (Romans 3:20-24)
            Notice the wording, “declares us not guilty”? Guess what. We are STILL GUILTY! “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the one against whom the Lord will never count sin.” (Romans 4:7,8)
            I am quite aware of ALL my sins. Far be it from me to sweep any one of them under the church carpet. I take them to the Cross of Christ where they can be PROPERLY covered. Then I let God HImself as the Holy Spirit indwell me to help me do better. And I’ve been a Christian under God’s Grace since I was three years old. Jesus became “The Dad I never had.” I love Billy Graham who often declares, “I’m just a sinner saved by Grace, I will not be perfect until I get to Heaven.” Me too Reverend Graham. How I know that.

        • Ort

          David Boles—this article is about one specific sin, not 600.

          • david Boles

            So, sweep all the sins YOU are guilty of under the church carpet? Don’t tell me you are one of those so-called “Christians” who cannot admit your own sins who has to magnify ONE sin just to make yourself feel better. Let’s see a discussion about all the other sins and all the other abominations in the Bible.

        • John

          but the issue is knowing and acknowledging that one is a sinner and falls short of the glory of the Kingdom of heaven; not one who says, my will be done in earth for I will do as I please and God can take His Will and shove it.. That is the difference between those who truly seek the Kingdom of heaven and those who seek the desires of the world.. And people can try to use God’s words all they want against others, but Only God is Perfect and Knows All, and the Son of man died on the cross to redeem mankind from those sins and did the will of His Father in heaven. And now many just want to do their own will and do it my way and think that God has to approve of it..

          • John

            I shall reply to my own statement for many so-called Christian churches today have become as the church of Laodicea and say amen to everything. The Kingdom of heaven is still My Father’s Will be done in earth as it is in heaven for My Father With the Word and Of the Holy Ghost created the heaven and the earth. Lucifer, that dark angel and his minions were kicked out of heaven for the same reason that men and women who say they want their will be done and My Father, Who is Perfect and Knows All, Knows Better and is Good and says, NOOOOOO..It is still My Father’s Will be Done….Period…

        • Edwitness

          David Boles,
          I know you are on a roll, but you really should read the replies you receive before answering them. The point you make in your rebuking reply to me concerning the law is exactly what I was trying to say.
          THE LAW NO LONGER HAS ANY POWER. Jesus gave us a New Covenant. The things Jesus said before His death and resurrection were said to Israel under the law.

          That being said, Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles under the NEW COVENANT when he wrote Romans. In the first chapter he said that “men with men…is worthy of death”. I do not see any such thing in regard to those who, as you said, “make the conscious choice to divorce” in the New Testament.
          The New Testament has it’s beginning after the resurrection of Jesus. So most of what is in the gospels are actually describing things that are Old Testament. And while the New Testament does have a list of those who will not go to Heaven, Gal.5 etc., purposeful divorcees by name are not mentioned in this group, as they were in the OT.

          Adultery in the NT is only defined once and that definition is in the heterosexual context. Rom.7:1-4. In fact, in all of the scripture, OT or NT, the Bible defines marriage and God’s intended use for the sexual union to be only between a man and a woman. Hence we have Adam and Eve etc…. There simply is in God’s family no place for those who would “leave the natural use of the woman, to burn in your lust one toward another, MEN WITH MEN working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense for their error, which was meet”. They “are worthy of death”. Rom.1:27,32.

          When gross sexual immorality was discovered in the church at Corinth, Paul said to “deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus”. In this case it was a man having sex with his father’s wife. 1stCor.5. This sin was grievous enough to leave the offender in the hands of Satan. I don’t think Paul was describing a Brother there. How much more is the grievousness of homosexuality when Paul says it is worthy of death.

          And how can anyone read these things and still think it is possible to be a Christian and also be by compulsion a homosexual? In Rom.1 the prerequisite for being a homosexual is said to be because they had already “changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man (ie the phalus), and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to DISHONOR THEIR OWN BODIES BETWEEN THEMSELVES.”

          According to God this is what happened that created the circumstances that causes homosexuality. God’s word says it happens this way. I believe Him, not you.
          So your homosexuality is a result of worshipping the created thing (the phalus) instead of the Creator.

          Repentance is available to the adulterer as well as the homosexual. And when they repent (turn away from their false gods) they are to be forgiven. This was shown in 2ndCor.3:5-8.
          So you are not without hope if you will turn from your idols and serve the living God.

        • Edwitness

          David Boles,
          Your entire argument is based on justifying your bad behavior by pointing at someone else’s bad behavior. You can’t justify yourself that way. You are responsible for your behavior and no one else.
          And your “autonomic nervous system” must have been damaged by your choice to serve the created thing (phalus) instead of the Creator. At least Rom.1 could be read to say that if you wanted it to.
          That is, if you can not choose anymore. But, I think you and I both know that is not true. You have made yourself a slave to your lusts. They have turned against you and made you accept sex in whatever form is available. Women are not attracted to you so you settle for men. Because in your slave state sex is sex. And you will take it no matter how disgusted you really are.

        • Fred Berkland

          Sinners are welcome in the Church. When they decide to be “Born Again” and become a member, that is when practiced sin becomes an issue. If the leaders of a Church know that members of their congregation are openly practicing major sins, they need to be dealt with in a manor prescribed in the Bible or God will take His Lampstand from that Church. Check out the 7 Churches in Revelation 2-3 and see how God reacts to them. That should give you a barometer to go by. God is Holy first, whenever we get a glimpse into Heaven they are not saying love, love, love in their worship, they are saying Holy, Holy, Holy. The God of the Bible is a God that demonstrates unlimited mercy and grace. There comes a point where judgement is the next step. The only reason the US has not been judged is because we still have 10 righteous souls in this country. Once the rapture occurs there will be none and judgement will sweep this nation like a plague. I guarantee that anyone that practices major sin will not be included in the rapture.

        • BILL

          There is a difference! We call our sin “evil”. They call their sin “good”. There is a WOE to that.

        • Edwitness

          David Boles,
          The reason no Christians here have said you are right is because you are not right. You can’t justify your sins by pointing out someone else’s.
          1. Homosexuality is a choice.
          2. You have made the choice to act on your immoral thoughts.
          3. Choices have consequences.
          4. In the choice of homosexuality (a false god) the consequence is eternal death.
          5. All of this is found in Romans chapter 1.
          6. If you can find justification by pointing out other people’s faults, then you don’t know what justification is.
          7. There is no homosexuality for the person who has truly REPENTED.
          8. So it is obvious by your constant defense for homosexuality you still need to repent.
          9. So repent. Stop following the false god of the phalus and turn to Christ.

        • Edwitness

          David Boles,
          When you answered my comment you started by saying you understand that we are not under the law. But then you proceeded to make your argument based on it again.
          You go back and forth because you are confused about salvation.
          You make the assertion that “we all commit abominations everyday”. If that is true then you are not saved and never have been.
          When Jesus healed someone and forgave them He would then tell them to “go and sin no more”. Do you think He was toying with them? That He knew they were incapable of not sinning, but enjoyed watching them squirm? If that is what you think I can assure you that you are wrong. He expected them to do just what He told them to.
          When we trust in Christ as savior, He becomes our God. Our Lord. This means we now make our choices based on what He tells us to do. This is where 1st John3:6,8,9 come in. “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”
          In other words, the thing that is our God is that which we use for our ultimate criteria for the choices we make.
          If our choices are ultimately determined by what Jesus tells us then He is our God. But if our choices are ultimately made using some other criteria for them then that is our god. It’s really that simple.
          So if you are choosing to practice homosexuality then that is your god, and not Jesus. This is made clear by the teaching on this in the New Testament. Romans12:1,2 explains the problem you are having. You have to change the way you think. Not just what you think, but the way you think. Paul said “Be transformed (metamorphosis) by the renwing of your mind”.
          The same can be said for the other sins you bring up, like the adulterer that has brought the divorce to a marriage, and then remarried. Adulterers do not go to Heaven.
          But those sins that were under the law do not apply. Like lobster and such. We are not under the law.

        • Edwitness

          David Boles,
          One thing more regarding why homosexuals and adulterers etc. do not go to Heaven. It is only because they have made their choice based on the god they have chosen, instead of Jesus. If it were Jesus they have chosen for their God, then we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

        • Edwitness

          David Boles,
          According to the Bible, the choice to be homosexual is not the basic choice, it is the byproduct of a choice. That basic choice being that you have chosen to serve the false god of the phalus. The “created thing”Romans 1:25-27; “Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
          And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”
          This is proof that you do not know Jesus or trust in Him. Resulting in your deserved end, DEATH. Vs.32
          Unless of course, you repent from serving your false god, and turn to Jesus Christ. Which will lead to the byproduct that is the making of choices that are consistent with His will.

          • david Boles

            Edwitness. Why do you and so many like you think that a person’s sexuality is a CHOICE?! Get out of that mindset! People do not “clap on clap off” their autonomic nervous system sexual/romantic feelings. Repressing or not repressing is not the same as choosing! Let me ask you the same question I asked Marc, in case you missed it:
            I was just thinking. If homophobes are really *repressed homosexuals who fight against their homosexual urges, why would they “choose” to have these homosexual feelings in the first place? Also, instead of repressing these feelings, why don’t they just “unchoose” them, instead of continually repressing them and becoming such hateful, anti-gay assholes? I mentioned that no one here has ever told me, “David, you are right.” And then you emphatically tell me, “The reason no Christians here have said you are right is because you are not right.” Please explain why I am not right about this thought concerning homophobes. Choice? I don’t think so!
            * “…new research confirms that most homophobes are self-loathing, repressed homosexuals…. This finding lends scientific support to the long-standing speculation that those who shout the loudest against homosexuality have something to hide.”

            What outer space nonsense you come up with with such hateful comments like, “…you have chosen to serve the false god of the phalus [sic].” Where does your crazy mind come up with crap like that? You sound just like a typical homophobe denying his own homosexual urge.! “…those who shout the loudest against homosexuality have something to hide.” (From the Journal of Abnormal Psychology. Google ” bigots are buggers “) The fact is, and always has been, that I have ALWAYS known Jesus Christ as my only hope for salvation. Alas, people like you seem to think one must be “good enough” first as a prerequisite to what is really God’s free gift of Salvation to all. ALL! I preach this to everyone as good advice for others. My own father was so frightening, hostile and rejecting, I made Jesus “The Dad I never had.” when I was three years old. Yes, I still remember that. If Jesus had been my earthly father I would have been able to have a normal and beautiful male-gender identification process starting in my toddlerhood and continuing throughout the formative years of boyhood. I would not have had a “Dad Deprivation” by the time I reached adolescence. That’s all the homosexual condition is. Don’t you read the posts by developmental psychologists explaining this? Please read them! But you have a different agenda don’t you? To elevate your outward show of “righteousness” because you have something dark within that you are desperately trying to hide. God made our minds to develop like this, the gender-identification process, so why would God condemn homosexual acts then? Let me answer that with another question. Why does God hate divorce? Yet people continue to divorce with impunity. Should remarried divorces “repent from serving [their] false god and turn to Jesus Christ”? Google ” abominations of the bible ” Why aren’t you standing in prideful, self-righteous condemnation about people who commit the abomination of eating shrimp and lobster? Because THAT abomination doesn’t deflect suspicions about your repressed homosexual urges! Again, get off it about sexualities being “choices.” You choose to raise your hand. You do NOT choose to get aroused in public, embarrassing yourself, when someone sexy stands too close to you and flirts with you! (Dang. What am I doing? I’m trying to explain physics to little children here!) It’s clear what your fixation with homosexuality is. Do you read 1 Co 6: 9, 10 like this? You give me that impression!

            “Don’tyouknowthatthosedoingsuchthingshavenoshareintheKingdomofGodDonotbedeceivedThosewholiveimmoralliveswhoareidolworshipersadulterersor HOMOSEXUALS -willhavenoshareinhisKingdomNeitherwillthievesorgreedypeopledrunkardsslanderersorrobbers.”

        • Edwitness

          David Boles,
          You can try to blame your choices on some psychobabel nonsense if you want to. But, like I told you before, it is God who said it is a choice that you make when you decide to be homosexual. God said it, not me. I am just agreeing with Him.
          I will give you the scripture again in which God says it is a choice.
          Romans 1:21-32 Especially vs.21.
          The choice was to worship the created thing rather than the Creator. That means you are first an idolater, then you become immoral, ie your homosexuality.
          In the case of the homosexual the idol and the immoral behavior go hand in glove. Therefore you identify yourself as homosexual.
          But, a Christian would identify themselves as a Christian, without even thinking to give reference to their sexuality. Because being a Christian (follower of Christ) and being heterosexual go hand in glove.
          The Christian’s identity is wrapped up in Jesus because He is our God.
          Your identity is wrapped up in your sexuality because that is your god.
          The phalus is representative from ancient times of your particular idol so I refer to it in describing your identity. And that symbolism is extremely repugnant to Jehovah.
          As it should be to any follower of Christ.

        • Edwitness

          David Boles,
          To put it simply, the passage in Romans is saying that your daily choices are the byproduct of your ultimate choice which is;

          **WHO IS YOUR GOD?**
          **If your God is the Biblical God, Jesus, then you can not be homosexual.**
          **1stJohn 3:6,8,9.**

        • Edwitness

          David Boles,
          Like I said, psychobabel. God said it. That settles it.

        • Patrick

          Was there a homosexual pastor? were the homosexuals in the congregation actively practicing homosexuality?? or had they asked Jesus to forgive them of their sins, come into their life as Lord and Savior and stop their sin??, if they didn’t do that then they are just as bad as the church in this article. Have you ever read the scripture were Jesus tells us to pull the beam out of our eye before we try to pull the splinter out of our neighbors eye?? You’re right about one thing, sin is sin and God doesn’t condone sin of any kind and that includes homosexuality, the LGBT community is blind and only fooling themselves if they think they can keep being a homosexual right to the end and think God is going to save them just because they were going to a church like the one in this article, it just doesn’t work that way.

          Revelation Ch 22 vs 14-15 says: Blessed are those who wash their robes so they can enter through the gates of the city and eat the fruit from the tree of life.
          15.Outside the city are the dogs- the sorcerers, the SEXUALLY IMMORAL(homosexuals are part of that) the murderers( planned parenthood comes to mind here), the idol worshipers and all who love to live a lie.

          Like this church in S.C.

      • Rob

        WOW, ok I read the bible daily and thought I had a good handle on that scripture until just now. You really just made my head hurt with the impact of the gravity of what you said. So we may really not even need to see the third temple for this to be seen. You my friend are very in tune with the word I wish we could chat about so many things.

    • Jim Scaggs

      This is why I left the SBC and now pastor a Freewill Baptist Church, I saw this coming this God is a warm fuzzy line of teaching,let’s forget all this holiness and judgement stuff ,God made me and after all he wants me to be happy.

  • Kim

    I do not believe First Baptist is southern baptist

    • They have since left/got kicked out of the SBC since switching to becoming an LGBT-affirming “church”.

      • Jerry

        Your headline makes it seem like first Baptist Greenville is a Southern Baptist church and it isn’t. It is a Cooperative Baptist and that is different

      • Greg M.

        Geoffrey, this church left the SBC more than 15 years ago and is not a Southern Baptist Church.

        On their web site they openly state, “In 1998 the Baptist Faith and Message was revised by the SBC to include the statement that “a wife is to submit herself graciously” to her husband. In response to this action, First Baptist Greenville voted in 1999 to disaffiliate itself from the Southern Baptist Convention.”

        You can see the “affiliation” statement for this apostate Baptist church here:

        http://firstbaptistgreenville.com/history-of-first-baptist-greenville/

        • Aaron

          Exactly! You are lying to your audience! That is a sin as well!

        • Emma

          Exactly and the SBC has made a statement on what they believe so this article is false
          http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/1224

      • Just think, this is totally opposite of what Jesus said, to whoring churches, even their members, they were to repent of all sin, wickedness and evil, or a great white throne judgment, unto the lake of fire awaiteth them. I’ve been warning people lately and this article verifies why. Of course, that when Jesus advised the Israeli people that once they see the abomination that maketh desolate standing in the Holy place, see Mat. 24, II Thess. 2, they were to flee. That evenly, for America, the West, this was when same sex marriage was legalized by America’s Supreme Court, spreading it’s abomination around the world. I even saw it as them baptizing the world into a form of laying the path, the grounds for the Antichrist Reign, as John the Baptist, had done for Jesus Christ, Awake! Apb, the Ram, http://www.wtpotc2015.blogspot.com

        • Exactly. If we do not boldly confront the sins of those we love, then we are not really loving them….

          http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/09/18/confronting-sin/

        • Kiwiwatcher

          The decision by America’s Supreme Court, Apostle Patricia Bradford, has not been to spread “its abomination around the word,” as it was already spread around world. USA is just catching up.
          Unfortunately, same sex marriage has been legal in these countries since The Netherlands (2000)
          Belgium (2003)
          Canada (2005)
          Spain (2005)
          South Africa (2006)
          Norway (2009)
          Sweden (2009)
          Argentina (2010)
          Iceland (2010)
          Portugal (2010)
          Denmark (2012)
          Brazil (2013)
          England and Wales (2013)
          France (2013)
          New Zealand (2013)
          Uruguay (2013)
          Luxembourg (2014)
          Scotland (2014)
          Finland: (signed 2015, effective 2017)
          Ireland: (2015)
          When something happens in the USA, please dont be drawn into believing the ‘sky is about to fall’ or some other calamitous event will occur. Regardless, of the atlas, and what some people believe – the US is not the center of the world, nor is the US the center of the Bible, or of Biblical prophecy – no matter how hard some tv-evangelists massage the headlines and Scriptures.
          Note how the narrator on the above video mentioned the Kardashians being portrayed as the ‘media-gods’ who say jump and whole world says ‘how high?’ (words that effect at the 3min mark).
          But outside of the USA the Kardashians don’t rate at all, and most people have no interest in what they get up to. The point being – the narrator too, is hoodwinked into believing the world revolves around the US which has a population of 320 million. This type of thinking can only generate a very narrow view and lead to some erroneous interpretations.

          • GAry

            You do not understand the Word and the purpose of the Almighty God. Tell me what happen in Egypt about the plagues? Was not the last plague the death of every Egyptians’ firstborn son? And, if this is what caused Pharaoh to let the Israelites go, we must ask ourselves, why did it not happen in the appearance of Moses before Pharaoh, that the Israelites may go the sooner? The Time of the gentiles, that is, the so-called churches today is at end. They have trodden down the Word ever since the death of the last Apostle. As it is written: …Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. They have counterfeited the image of the black Messiah with a white image, the Sabbath – the day of worship with the first day, and the true physical descendants (the blacks) of the children of Israel with a group of impostors. The church, the agent of satan has promoted it. Not only they promoted such perverseness, they also become filthy and greedy. They are not after they soul of those sheep to save them from the wrath to come but their tithes and offerings (money). That is why they say, we do not discriminate: anybody who loves Christ can come without changing your ways. Ignorant they are, they do not know what love is. Love is not a feeling, it is rather a set of principles and commandments, and obedience toward His words, as it is written: By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous (1 John 5:2-3). My story book (the Bible) is about discrimination. I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; WITH SUCH AN ONE NO NOT TO EAT (1 Cor 5: 9-11). The reason why the Churches are fallen is because they were never founded upon the Truth: the true physical Israel and their purposes, the physical character of the Messiah and His purposes for dying. The Church after the apostles has been based on a total lie. There was never a truth in the church. Every first day of the week, they, the Gentiles, congregate just to make themselves feel good about what their fathers have done to the black people – the Children of Israel. They have never repented, nor willing to repent. They have done wickedly, and are still.

            Now, if you have overstand what have said above, you will understand that they are the same people whether within the churches or without; it is just a great deception. Just like your free market today, they make believe that one is better than the other; where it is far from the Truth. The time for this pervert lifestyle was yet introduced, but it was in the plan of the founder and the head of the Gentiles churches- the Government, that in the fullness of their controlled, it will be made a law. Thus, they have established it according his laws. There are some gentiles that are resisting their master – the Government; ignorantly have known that they have been serving their masters – satan the whole time. Secondly, there is a headquarter of the gentiles systems – that is USA. When you did see that other gentiles countries have made a law before USA did, is because The God of Yisrael is returning upon there head – that is the gentiles- what they have done to His people. For He will bring all gentile nations into one place to judge them and recompense them of the evil they have wrought upon His people for about 400 years (Joel 3, Isaiah 14). The truth has been hidden from you; now He is revealing Himself and His people – the Israelites. a few of the gentiles, who were in the so-called churches, began to see that they have been deceived and are come out to the Truth. It is a good thing. Until they acknowledge the Truth as it is written, all the churches’deed are vain. Satan know how to bring people to him: by food and emotions.

            Finally, anyone of the gentiles who wants to be saved, must love the commandments and laws and satutes of Eloim (God) of Yisrael, and repent of the evil deeds that their fathers have committed against the black people, that is the israelites – God chosen people. if you are not willing willing to do so, you can make sure of that you are establishing your own righteousness.(Ezekiel 18:14-17; Mat 5:23-24)

        • JERRY

          I go to an Apostolic church. Believing in Jesus name baptism, infilling of the Holy Ghost with evidence of speaking in tongues, and that there is just one God. No trinity. But what I see is God is still in control. He’s aligning the world up for his 2nd coming. We just have to keep the faith that was once delivered to the early church. I plan to be raptured out if I’m still alive if not don’t be standing on my grave when you hear the trumpet sound

          • Joe

            Jerry, if you believe in Jesus, God the father and the the Holy Spirit being one God then you do believe in the Trinity. Either Jesus is the Son of God and God the Son to you or if He is not you wont be raptured nor will you have salvation. Jesus said if you have seen the Him you have seen the Father, Jesus said he is “I AM”, The jews took up stones because Jesus made himself equal with God.

            Jesus asked the disciples who do they (the world) say I am. Some said Jesus was John the Baptist risen, the Prophet, etc etc. But Peter said you are the Christ and Jesus said No man revealed to you who I was only God can do that. The would classifies Jesus as just a man, a good man, a good teacher and a prophet, etc etc, but the world and the false religions do not classify Jesus as the Son of God and God the Son. It sounds like your church may be no different than the JWs, Mormons, 7th Day, Muslims, etc etc that deny Jesus was God.

            This is the most important question every human on the face of the earth will have to answer: “Who do you say I am?” This is why on judgment day so many will say Jesus we did this that and the other in your name and He will say, away from me I did not know you.

            Jesus can not be a good man or a good teacher or a wise man and a man of God, etc etc. His own claims about him being God tell us who he is. How can you say Jesus is good if you are at the same time calling him a liar. How can you follow someone you call a liar.

          • GENESIS777

            If you are raptured you are in a world of trouble, because you will
            be taken and burned…You better pray to God that you are left behind!

            Matthew 13:
            36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

            37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man (Adam);

            38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom;

            but the tares are the children of the wicked one; (jews see John 8:44)

            39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

            40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire so shall it be in the end of this world.

            41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend and them which do iniquity;

            42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

            43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

            Notice the TARES are taken first and burned, also notice you are ALREADY in Gods Kingdom…
            You are going to see a MASSIVE population reduction on this earth, there are 7 billion people
            here right now, that number will decline by 95%…Heaven is coming here, you are supposed to be
            helping to bring in the KINGDOM..

            What did Christ tell the disciples to preach, No not the KJV, He told them as go proclaim the
            KINGDOM IS AT HAND…You are in it, Better pray you are left in it!

          • GENESIS777

            You are correct there is no trinity, that is a pagan teaching and originated from Cain…

          • Suzy

            amen bro Jerry.

        • GENESIS777

          If you saw satan’s children standing in the “Holy Place” wouldn’t that be the abomination that causes desolation…
          Yes it would, and that happened in 1947, Those in Judea did not flee and the jews i’e satan’s children subsequently
          SLAUGHTERED them…So that is now a HISTORICAL event, i’e FULFILLED… Right NOW the jews are being gathered
          to Judea for the burning of the tares…When you see them all destroyed, remember they are not Gods chosen as you
          ALL have been CONNED into believing ~ As a so called Apostle you should have known this~

          • Edwitness

            G777,
            This ‘doctrine’ is not supported in the Bible. Nor in any other message from God. You know how I know? Because by their fruits I know them.
            It is put together by implication, assumption, and mostly made up out of whole cloth. In other words, you have believed a lie. There is no unimpeachable evidence to support your claims. In fact, the only unimpeachable evidence we have, the word of God, absolutely repudiates it.
            But, it’s nothing the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob can’t fix for you.
            If I remember correctly, I’m sure I heard this stuff from the person promoting Meytreya several years ago on the radio show, Coast to Coast.
            Or maybe you have accepted a form of Mormonism. They believe that Adam IS God. Not his offspring. And is from the planet Kolob. Compared to the nonsense you spew Mormons seem almost reasonable.

          • Edwitness

            G-777,
            Show me the scripture that says, not implies, that Satan could have held Jesus if He had sinned by breaking the law?
            Also show me the scripture that says, not implies, that Jesus kept the law for the reason you stated?

          • GENESIS777

            Complete BS eddy…Prove me wrong, Go ahead…I’m not interested in hearing about your fairy tales
            or your uneducated scriptural opinion…

          • Edwitness

            G777,
            Born again means to be born spiritually. When a man is born into the world he is the same as Adam was when God made him. Natural. Not spiritual. Gen.2:7 & 1stCor.15:45-48.
            When he is born again a spirit is birthed in him, just as when he is born from his mothers womb gives him his natural body. John 3:1-8.
            Until this happens he has no spirit.

            Who is Israel? Jacob is Israel. Gen.32:28. The sons of Jacob(Israel) are the heads of the 12 tribes of Israel. Their descendants are the people of Israel. The Jews are Israelites as Paul said in Rom.10:12,19.

            Deut.23:2. When a Gentile married an Israelite they were what is referred to here as bastards. They could not participate in temple worship until 10 generations passed.

            Your right. Simple. When you trust the savior and His word.

          • Edwitness

            G777,
            What you have come up with is interesting, but not even close Biblically. The main question that came up while reading your ‘interpretation’ was “If those Jesus came for are already born spiritual, then why do they need a savior?” Why then did He come? Does ‘eternal progression’ have anything to do with it?

            But aside from that, your assertion that the Adam of Gen. 2 had a spirit placed in him by God when He ‘breathed into his nostrils’ is in agreement with most of Christiandom. But, it is not what the passage teaches.
            The ‘breath’ God breathed into Adam was not ruach (spirit). It was neshawmaw (air). This same breath was breathed into animals and birds. Gen. 6:17 & 7:22. These verses express the fact that ALL FLESH has air (neshawmaw) in it. It is what makes them physically alive just like they are today. And since it was air God breathed into Adam he became ‘a living soul’. Which means a living, breathing creature. Not a spiritual being. This agrees with 1stCor.15:45-50. As Jesus is the ‘last Adam’.
            When you read this passage in 1stCor. I’m sure you see the 1st Adam as the one in Gen.1, and the last Adam as the one in Gen.2, right? But, without the spirit you say is given to the Adam in Gen.2, that interpretation must change to Jesus being the last Adam. The one who is a ‘life giving Spirit’.
            Your rendition of the scripture, using some that fit your scenario, and then saying ‘all Bibles are corrupted’, is not complicated. It’s convoluted.
            Very similar to what Mormons teach. Right?

          • Edwitness

            G777,
            The passage in Rom.10 uses the word Jew and Israel interchangeably. Vs.12,19. The context makes it so.
            But the question I have is, why do you insist on using a book you have repeatedly said is corrupted to verify your understanding of it?

          • Edwitness

            G777,
            The church teaches that Gentile means nations as well.
            It also teaches as does Paul, that we are to STUDY the Bible. Not just read it. Geoffrey encourages it here in fact.
            Tell me if you can, in your theology, how do you know YOU are ‘foreknown’?

          • Edwitness

            G777,
            I think I’ve got it now. Because there are some racist Jews, in order to come against them, we must create a scenario where the ‘corrupted’ Bible can say that those Jews are satan’s children. We use a quote from Jesus to verify this. Even though it comes from a Book we believe to be completely corrupted. Just because it fits with our convoluted scenario.
            Is that about the sum of it?
            Well, all I hear when I read this is that some people who hate some other people must be proven to be worthy of such hatred. So we convolute the Bible, God’s message of love for ALL mankind, to support our hatreds. Nothing could be more distasteful or disgusting!
            I will leave you with this. It is what makes us one with God and other Christians.
            “Beloved, let us love one another. For love is of God, and everyone that loveth is BORN OF GOD AND KNOWETH GOD.
            He that loveth not, KNOWETH NOT GOD, FOR GOD IS LOVE.”

          • Edwitness

            G777,
            The only thing you have proven is that once a person rejects the true God and His word, the Bible, they will accept anything. WOW!!

        • Ginger

          The Abomination of Desolation is the Antichrist that enters the Synagogue when it is build on the temple mount during the first years of the tribulation period, after this is done then the Antichrist being filled totally with Satan at the 3 1/2 period mark enters the house of God ( Synagogue on temple mount) and declares himself as God! This is the Abomination of Desolation spoken of in God’s most Holy word.
          Please like so many others do not take scripture out of context, that is when we start getting into trouble. No scripture is given for private interpretation, if the plain sense of the word makes plain sense then it’s plain sense!
          Thank you and have a blessed day.

      • Bryan

        They were realesed from the SBC 15 years ago. Wow, this article is misleading and shaming the SBC. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. You need to have your facts straight before blasting out an article like this.

    • Robin

      I went to a First Baptist church for years and it was indeed of the Southern Baptist denomination.

    • Dee

      It is not.

  • Kim

    The first Baptist church in America was founded by Roger Williams in 1639. During the colonial and federal periods, the Baptist churches prospered and spread, while being only loosely organized as a fellowship. The first clear national organization was the General Missionary Convention of the Baptist Denomination in 1814. This was called by Luther Rice to address the need of raising funds and workers to carry out the missionary mandate in foreign countries. Some Baptist churches resisted this missionary emphasis and became known as Primitive Baptists. When the Civil War broke out, the Baptists in the North and the South broke their fellowship and formed separate denominations. Today, there are at least 65 different Baptist associations or denominations in the United States. Some retain a strict autonomy for the local church, while others have more of a denominational structure. Some have very conservative views of doctrine and practice, while others are quite progressive and liberal. Even within some groups there is a wide divergence of practice, so it is hard to pin down exactly what they believe.

  • Kim

    They are different. Please don’t assoc with southern Baptists because they are progressive and libera

    The Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) is a denomination comprised of over 16 million members in over 42,000 churches in the United States. Individual church membership is typically a matter of accepting Jesus Christ as personal Savior and submitting to believer’s baptism by immersion. The SBC is considered to be an evangelistic, mission-minded church with a generally conservative doctrine which focuses on the fact that Jesus died for our sin, was buried, and then rose from the grave and ascended to heaven. Unlike some other denominations, the churches in the SBC generally identify themselves as independent, autonomous congregations which have voluntarily joined together for mutual support.

    • My article does not say that the SBC is going gay, but that members and former members are starting to break off and form LGBT-affirming churches.

      • J. Scott Anderson

        This article is extremely deceptive and could be considered slanderous against the Southern Baptist Convention. 1st Baptist Church Greenville, SC hasn’t been part of the Southern Baptist Convention since 1999. Just looking at the headline and reading the first few paragraphs, one would be given the distinct impression that this church is currently part of the SBC. The writer is supposed to be Christian and therefore should not be deceptive!

    • I don’t understand: you wrote that southern Baptists “are progressive and liberal”, and afterward that the SBC is “generally conservative”. Are you referring to two different groups?

    • Buck

      You are correct Kim. I never could come up with an answer what the Southern Baptists believed. Women with big fancy hats on Sunday is what I saw.

  • GENESIS777

    RE:Should same-sex people be allowed into Christian churches?
    Absolutely they should, so they can hear the gospel preached from
    the Bible and get a chance to get saved from Hell.

    Hell is the Hebrew word Sheol and it simply means the grave…
    We are all going to hell, Difference is, most of you will stay there…

    What part of this don’t you understand…

    Romans 11:26
    26 And so all Israel shall be saved as it is written, There shall come out of
    Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
    27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

    In case you don’t you don’t understand what ALL means, it means all there
    ever was past present and future with ZERO qualifiers added to it..

    Not all who believed in Jesus, Not all who were Baptized, Not all who
    tried their best to be goody two shoes, But ALL is in EVERY LAST ONE!

    And just for the record, NONE of Gods elect are gay!!

    When will you people stop teaching the traditions of Man and LEARN what the scriptures actually SAY!

    • carrierwave

      Phoofy–sheol is a 2 compartment abode of departed souls of the old covenant. (Hades/Abraham’s bosom) “Queber” is the grave in Hebrew. H6900
      קברה קבוּרה
      qebûrâh qebûrâh. Genesis 35:20 Numbers 19:16-18

      1Samuel 2:6 is “sheol” place of “departed” spirits. H7585
      שׁאל שׁאול
      she’ôl she’ôl
      sheh-ole’, sheh-ole’

      Jesus took all OT saints out of “sheol” at His resurrection, Eph 4:8
      Hades is still being filled for the day of the “White throne” judgment. When are you going to start believing the KJV???

      • GENESIS777

        Departed souls? What are you making this stuff up as you go along…

        my gray hairs
        h7872
        שֵׂיבָה seybah

        with sorrow
        h3015
        יָגוֹן yagown

        to the grave
        h7585
        שְׁאוֹל shĕ’owl

        Do you see that….TO THE GRAVE!

        All SOULS die! The spirit is eternal, the soul is a living flesh body..

        Sheol is where the soul stays forever and turns into worm food, it is the grave,
        the spirit on the other hand NEVER dies, that is if you even have one, and less
        than 5% of the global population does indeed have a spirit…They are the fewest
        of ALL people on this earth, 95% have NO SPIRIT, You don’t get one from the local
        mall, you are either born with one or without, if without, when you die it’s over..

        As for Hades is being filled,utter BS!

        Read what Paul said:

        2 Corinthians:
        7for we walk by faith, not by sight 8we are of good courage,
        I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.
        9Therefore we also have as our ambition, whether at home or absent to be pleasing to Him.

        Gods elect, the 5% I told you about, they are HOME the SECOND they die!

        2 Corinthians 5:1
        For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved,
        we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

        Your problem is you think everyone on this earth is the same, and that the bible
        was written to all people ,they are not, and the bible was written to ONLY the 5%!

        • carrierwave

          Only the body dies, when the spirit leaves the body. James 2:26

          Again in the O.T. the “grave” has a dual meaning in certain passages, just as in the N.T. The ‘physical death’ of the body goes to the tomb, while the “spirit/soul” continues in “sheol” either in Hates or Abraham’s bosom. See: “qeber/sheol” relationship revealed by Jesus in the N.T. To deny this will lead you to believe and interpret other scriptures wrongly.

          “…I saw under the altar the “souls” of them that WERE SLAIN for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. AND THEY CRIED, with a loud voice saying…” Rev. 6:8-11 and Rev 20:4 (These have no bodies yet until the resurrection) but exist.

          Here, “soul and spirit” are used interchangebly. According to God’s word, spirits/souls (without bodies) can, see, hear, feel, and speak. The soul ‘without’ the body is NOT what goes to the ground to be “eaten by worms”. In the “Lake of fire”, both soul/spirit and body are reunited and exist in torments. Rev.20:11-15 Get yourself a KJV!

          Unbelievers have spirits, though they are dead, separated from God, exist and can feel see, hear and speak. Luke 16:19-31 The richman, unsaved, DIED and “IN HELL” (Greek hades)”lifted up his eyes”, felt and spoke. And Lazasus, a believer, DIED also went to Abraham’s bosom. Both were aware and could see hear, feel with NO BODY. The 2 compartment realm of “Sheol” (hades and Abraham’s bosom) are plainly taught in the scriptures and fully revealed by the Lord Jesus.

          • GENESIS777

            First off, Christ came to redeem Adam, and only the descendants of Adam because they are the only
            ones on this earth who have a spirit…And NO Adam was NOT a jew!

            He did indeed redeem Adam, Adam was held in the Netherworld until Christ took him out so all that pertained to the
            Netherworld of the OT has been fulfilled, Hell is the grave, If you were born with a spirit the second you die it returns home..

            There is nothing in between, No purgatory, no holding cell anywhere since Christ already removed those spirits and NONE
            have been held ever since that day, no spirits are floating around aimlessly because they do not know God..

            Ecclesiastes 12:7
            7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

            Go read Genesis 1:26/27 And God created them man and woman he created them…This created people are NOT the
            people of Gods son from the Adam of Genesis 2, the people from Genesis 1 were never given a spirit, the people
            from Gods son Adam of Genesis 2 were…

            The people from Genesis 1 when they die are no different from a dog a cow or a pig, they have no spirit either…
            The spirit is eternal, without a spirit there is NOTHING after death as all flesh DIES!

            So your theory they are hanging around the Sheol because they did not know God is not true, All of Gods elect KNOW
            him just as it states in Hebrews 8:10-11…

            As for the KJV I have over 11 different reference bibles including the KJV, And like the others the KJV is LOADED with errors,
            at last count well over 20k!

            ALL bibles are CORRUPTED, Every last version, and why is that, because the jews were brought in to help translate which was
            a massive mistake! They deceived the translators into believing they were the Israel of the bible, they are not…The first thing
            they did was corrupt the timeline of the arrival of Christ by removing 1500 years from the text that proved Christ came in the
            exact year that was prophesied by God 5,500 years earlier…Nearly all of todays bibles are based upon the jew created Masoretic
            text and they intentionally corrupted all of the bibles… Not to mention they made themselves Gods chosen people when in reality
            he hates them all..

        • Guest

          See you in hell then.

          • carrierwave

            You can say that again–lol! The guy is a loser.

          • hintonh

            THE Dragon is Satan……REVELATION 13:4
            4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

            REVELATION 13:5
            5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.

            REVELATION 13:6
            6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

            REVELATION 13:7
            7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

            REVELATION 13:8
            8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

            REVELATION 13:9
            9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

        • Guest

          Don’t worry, folks. It’s just a lowly anti-Semite. Go back to your lives. Although if you want a good laugh, go on and keep reading this guy’s comments.

          God hates the Jews. WHEW! That was a knee-slapper! What other nuggets of gold you got in that misfiring synapse of a malfunctioning morass you mistake for a brain?

          • GENESIS777

            I am a SEMITE so it’s not possible to be an anti-semite…ALL white people
            are Semites, the jews are a bastardized mixed race of Turkish mongrels
            from Jacobs brother Esau who married Caananite and Hittite wives from
            the devils bloodline of Cain giving us the children of the devil as Christ told
            you the jews are in John 8:44..

            The ignorance of you so called Christians is APPALLING!

            I can do things NONE of you clowns can ever do, and that is PROVE what I say, You, you do
            nothing but spout off your UNEDUCATED NON-SENSE!

            This is what is CALLED PROOF–You clown!

            The white race ARE the true semites and the Hebrews:

            Noah was saved because he was perfect in his race, he did not mongrelize
            with the pre-Adamic negro beasts of the field, nor the pre-Adamic Mongolian asiatics..

            NOAH:
            2. And his body was white as snow and red as the blooming of a rose and
            the hair of his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful..

            The Semites are from Noah’s white son Shem..

            The Hebrews are from Shem’s white son Heber..

            Jesus Christ was born through the family of the white King David..

            Romans 1:3
            3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh

            King David:

            1 Samual 17:42:
            And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him:
            for he was but a youth and ruddy and of a fair countenance..

            Goliath hated David because he was white no different than today!

            King Davids white son Solomon:

            Solomon 5:10
            My beloved is white and ruddy the chiefest among ten thousand..

            You do know who Sarah was right (Doubtful), Abrahams wife, I know 90% or more of you
            clowns have never even read a bible let alone STUDY who the people of scripture REALLY were..
            You dedicate ZERO hours of the week for learning the truth, as where I spend ALL of my time doing
            exactly that!

            Sarah (Sarai)
            Sarah (Sarai) was Abraham’s wife and Isaac’s mother. She was the first matriarch of the Hebrew people. She was very beautiful. Her beauty is described in detail in an Aramaic text that was discovered among the Dead Sea Scrolls at Qumran. Abraham, at times, claimed that Sarah was his sister, because he feared that someone would kill him out of lust for Sarah.

            In the seventh Dead Sea Scroll, this extolled Sarah’s perfection from head to foot and was written as follows:

            ‘Her skin was pure white;
            ‘She had long lovely hair;
            Her limbs were smooth and rounded (her thighs were shapely)
            ‘She had slender legs and small feet;
            ‘Her hand were slim and long and so were her fingers.’

            The following is a description of Sarah from the Genesis Apocryphon; page 486 published by Penguin Classics

            …..and beautiful is her face! How…fine are the hairs of her head!

            How lovely are her eyes!

            How desirable her nose and all the radiance of her countenance…

            How fair are her breasts and how beautiful all her whiteness!

            How pleasing are her arms and how perfect her hands!

            How fair are her palms and how long and slender are her fingers!

            How comely are her feet, how perfect her thighs!

            No virgin or bride led into the marriage chamber is more beautiful than she; she is fairer than all other women.

            Truly her beauty is greater than theirs Yet together with all this grace she posses abundant wisdom, so that whatever she does is perfect.

            So do me a favor YOU ANTI-SEMITE, GO CRAWL BACK UNDER YOUR ROCK with the rest of the stupid heretics!!!

          • Kiwiwatcher

            Guest – Think you’re over rating the £*”@…..a lowly anti-Semite would surely raise the bar. Skip the filth, once the author is identified as there is enough *&%@ out there.

        • Freida

          My KJV doesn’t say 5%, it says ALL

          • GENESIS777

            Correct it does say all, I did the math for you since you don’t
            know who the ALL is, like the other 99% of the rest of the world…

          • GENESIS777

            I’ll give you a simple analogy…

            If I send a letter to your family and say you are all invited to my party,
            Would you bring the entire neighborhood with you also? Or would you
            understand your family was invited~

        • patrice

          If all bibles are corrupt then what are you quoting from pray tell? I seem to see bible verses you are floating about…so from whence you got them???

          • GENESIS777

            Yes, all bibles are corrupted just as I said…What part of that don’t you understand?

            Read this verse below and then explain what it means~

            Deuteronomy 23:2
            A bastard shall not enter into the Congregation of the Lord: even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the Congregation of the Lord.

          • GENESIS777

            Still waiting for your answer Patrice…You can’t answer a simple question?
            How STRANGE!

        • Edwitness

          G777,
          If in fact when a person without a spirit dies they cease to exist, what is the resurrection unto death?

          • GENESIS777

            Since there is no rely button where you left this message, I will address it here:

            RE: Born again means to be born spiritually. When a man is born into the world he is the same as Adam was when God made him.
            Natural. Not spiritual. Gen.2:7 & 1stCor.15:45-48. When he is born again a spirit is birthed in him, just as when he is born from his
            mothers womb gives him his natural body. John 3:1-8. Until this happens he has no spirit.

            Well, at least you had the guts to answer what you believe is correct which is more than most, even though it’s wrong..

            One of the core tenets of the Christian faith is exactly as you proclaimed, this is why I tell people
            what they believe from Christianity is wrong and they hate hearing that, and their doctrine is built
            upon one lie after another, and they hate hearing that too, so they respond with all kinds of cute
            sayings like you are strange Mr.666..

            Below is a correct rendering of John 3, this is what is in the actual manuscript, and this is just one example
            of why I tell people ALL bibles are corrupted.. Christ said STUDY the scriptures, he knew they were going
            to change them, he never said just read them…Study, meaning look up what is in your bible and compare
            it against the manuscript, Every word in the Old Testament written in Paleo Hebrew has up to 11 different
            meanings, some they got right, thousands they got wrong, but it’s up to YOU to STUDY to show thyself approved..

            John 3: From the NRSV – This matches the manuscript:

            Now there was a Pharisee named Nicodemus, a leader of the Jews.
            2 He came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that
            you are a teacher who has come from God; for no one can do these
            signs that you do apart from the presence of God.”

            3 Jesus answered him, “Very truly, I tell you, no one can see the
            kingdom of God without being born from above.

            4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can anyone be born after having grown old?
            Can one enter a second time into the mother’s womb and be born?”

            5 Jesus answered, “Very truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God
            without being born of water and Spirit.

            6 What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.

            7 Do not be astonished that I said to you, You must be born from above.

            8 The wind blows where it chooses, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not
            know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.

            Completely different from what is taught in every church across the world, they teach you have the choice
            to choose Christ, (you don’t) and when you do you are magically born again and become a new person
            after you have accepted Christ.. Complete 100% Hogwash..

            There are several types of people on this earth according to scripture, those who are the earthy, they are the
            earthy created people they were created in Genesis 1 26/27 by Gods SONS, Not God the Father, his sons created
            them…Check the manuscript!

            They were not given a spirit when they were created, they are of this earth, they did not come from above
            and they can never go to above..They are of this world, those who come from above are not of this world..

            Your government can say we are all the same, the bible says we are not..

            The Adam of Genesis 2 was Gods son, Luke 3:38, he was not like the creations
            of Genesis 1 as he has was given Gods spirit..

            Read what Christ prays: John 17:

            14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them,
            because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

            15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but
            that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

            16 They are not of the world even as I am not of the world.

            This is why Christ came only for the House of Israel, Matthew 15:24..
            The House of Israel are the only people on this entire earth who are born
            from above whom God foreknew and predestined Romans 8:29-30
            They are Gods literal children, Psalm 82, they are part of God, they were
            born from God in the heavens before the earth even existed and are sent
            here repeatedly to bring salvation to the world.. Understand, they are Gods
            FAMILY, Not his sons CREATIONS on the earth..

            Christ came only for them as he is our brother, Christ redeemed only them, Isaiah 43:1..

            The Fathers covenant is with only them, Hebrews 8:10..

            They are the only ones who can ever go back home with their Father!

            When the created people die they are dead, done, finished…

            When those born from above die they are resurrected and return home..

            Which is why this was said:

            Mark 12:27
            He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

            The created from Genesis 1 are the dead..

            Those who are born from Gods son Adam of Genesis 2 are born from above
            and are the living..

            VERY COMPLICATED!

            Read what God told Job in Job 38:

            3 Gird up your loins like a man,
            I will question you, and you shall declare to me.

            4 “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
            Tell me, if you have understanding.

            5 Who determined its measurements— surely you know!
            Or who stretched the line upon it?

            6 On what were its bases sunk,
            or who laid its cornerstone

            7 when the morning stars sang together
            and all the heavenly beings shouted for joy?

            WHO are the MORNING stars–Gods Sons!
            WHO are the HEAVENLY BEINGS–The angels!

            Continue:

            16 “Have you entered into the springs of the sea,
            or walked in the recesses of the deep?

            17 Have the gates of death been revealed to you,
            or have you seen the gates of deep darkness?

            18 Have you comprehended the expanse of the earth?
            Declare, if you know all this.

            19 “Where is the way to the dwelling of light,
            and where is the place of darkness,

            20 that you may take it to its territory
            and that you may discern the paths to its home?

            21 Surely you know, for you were born then,
            and the number of your days is great!

            Here God is telling Job he was there with him when he created the earth, he saw it live!
            Why doesn’t Job remember this, God placed a blindness over ISRAEL which means
            Issue Ruling With God, His sons….

            What does your Christianity teach..They teach God placed a blindness over the jews so they
            did not recognize their messiah and instead killed him, but when he returns, they will
            Recognize he is their messiah and they will all then accept him..What a LOAD OF BS!

            When Christ returns, He’s KILLING all of THEM!

            This is a huge subject and it would take DAYS to explain all of it~

            But NOTHING taught in Christianity is TRUE~

            Who is Israel? Jacob is Israel. Gen.32:28. The sons of Jacob(Israel) are the heads of the 12 tribes of Israel. Their descendants are the people of Israel. The Jews are Israelites as Paul said in Rom.10:12,19.

            Deut.23:2. When a Gentile married an Israelite they were what is referred to here as bastards. They could not participate in temple worship until 10 generations passed.

            Your right. Simple. When you trust the savior and His word.

          • GENESIS777

            Who is Israel? Jacob is Israel. Gen.32:28. The sons of Jacob(Israel) are the heads of the 12 tribes of Israel.
            Their descendants are the people of Israel. The Jews are Israelites as Paul said in Rom.10:12,19.

            Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

            That is NOT what is in the manuscript, it states there in no difference between Judah and Greek, He is referencing
            the two southern tribes Judah and Benjamin and the 10 northern tribes of Jacob/House of Israel..

            Jacobs 12 sons the 12 brothers i’e tribes had a split, through Christ they have been re-united as one,
            there is no difference between the two houses any longer, both are EQUAL in gods eyes..ALL 12 tribes
            are re-united back under Gods covenant~

            What does Christianity teach, Gods covenant is open to EVERYBODY in the world,
            There is no difference between a chinaman and a negro! 100% Heresy! Gods covenant
            is with those same 12 tribes ONLY and it’s by birth which is why we are called HEIRS~

            IF, you are a pure blooded person who’s family lineage is from the Adam of Genesis 2,
            and you are BORN FROM ABOVE then you are part of Gods covenant..

            IF you are not, there is nothing provided for you in scripture, No eternal life, no nothing~

            The jews are not the ISRAELITES, The ISRAELITES are gods children…

            The jews are satans children…John 8:44 through satan’s son Cain, 1 John 3:12

            Christianity WRONGLY claims the jews are from the tribe of Judah and Paul was a jew..

            Paul was not a jew and the jews are not from Judah…Here is another example of the jews
            corrupting the bible…

            Romans 11:1
            I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself,
            a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.

            So much for Paul being a jew from Judah!

            Yes the jews CORRUPTED your bibles, all of them!

            Christ was from Judah, a pure blooded Hebrew Israelite!

            He told the jews you are not my people, IF the jews were of
            Judah they most certainly would have been his people..

            John 10:
            23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon’s porch.

            24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him,
            How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

            25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do
            in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.

            26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep as I said unto you.

            27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them and they follow me:

            Notice the jews came to Christ, Christ was not a jew…
            He told them the REASON they don’t believe is because they are
            NOT his people…Which takes you back to Romans 8:

            Romans 8:29
            29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be
            conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the
            firstborn among many brethren.

            God did NOT foreknow the jews, therefore he did not predestinate the jews
            to CONFORM to the image of his Son Christ and as Christ said they are not
            his people and that is why they don’t believe…

            But Christianity teaches the jews are Gods chosen people and he loves them,
            completely disregarding the scriptures!

          • GENESIS777

            re: Deut.23:2. When a Gentile married an Israelite they were what is referred to here as bastards. They could not participate in temple worship until 10 generations passed.

            Your right. Simple. When you trust the savior and His word.

            No, reading the bible is simple, Studying it takes a huge commitment and few will ever do it..

            Reading it leads you right into the ditch with all of Christianity, Studying it leads you into Gods marvelous light!

            First off, Gentile means NATIONS…

            I know Christianity taught you it means a non-jew, it does not, nothing Christianity teaches is true, Gentile
            simply means NATIONS, Obviously no Israelite can marry a nation can they…

            Here is the correct meaning of a bastard:

            Deuteronomy 23:2
            A bastard shall not enter into the Congregation of the Lord:
            even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the Congregation of the Lord.

            Bastard
            Strong’s Number H4464 matches the Hebrew מַמְזֵר (mamzer ),
            the mixed population Mongrel, Half Breed

            It has NOTHING to do wth the parents being married, a bastard is a mixed race child…
            Abraham and all of the others had concubines and God never said anything about it…

            What creates a bastard, when someone born from the Adam of Genesis 2 has relations
            with a created person of Genesis 1, the child they produce will be a mixed race bastard,
            a corruption.. A hybrid, Gods spirit can not live in a hybrid..

            Example, God made a horse, God made a donkey, a horse and donkey mate and
            produce a mule, God never made that mule, it is a corruption and God will destroy them..

            God does not play games, He is NOT interested in being politically correct!

            These verses below are in reference to the Bastards….Why did they use the word Bastard, to deceive
            everyone of course…If you were the Catholic church, would you want to alienate 95% of the world by
            telling them the scriptures contained in this book are NOT in any way for you..

            Or would you rather mistranslate thousands of words, deceive the people and tell the whole world
            this book belongs to all of you…Which do you think would get you more money every week in collections…

            Nehemiah 13:3
            When they heard the law, they removed from Israel (Jacob) all who were of mixed ancestry..

            Bastards = Mixed Race = Throw them out..

            Jeremiah 2:21:
            For on every high hill And under every green tree You have lain down as a harlot.

            I planted you myself as a choice vine , from the very best seed . How did you turn against me into a degenerate and foreign vine?

            What more could I have done for My vineyard than I did? Why, when I expected a yield of good grapes , did it yield worthless grapes?

            God planted ADAM His own son (Luke 3:38) from his own seed, Once mixed with the other races who are not
            from the Adam of Genesis 2 in Gods eyes their children are worthless..

            Jeremiah 2:22
            For though you wash you with nitre, and take you much soap, yet your iniquity is marked before me, said the Lord GOD.

            All the soap in the world can not make a bastard clean,

            Harsh isn’t it, Not my words, Gods words, go read it again ~ Now you know why he said it cuts quicker and deeper
            than any two edge sword…All those mixed race children you see walking around, all rejected~

            Ezra 9:2
            For the men of Israel (Jacob) have married women from these people and have taken them as wives for their sons.
            So the holy race has become polluted by these mixed marriages. Worse yet, the leaders and officials have led
            the way in this outrage..

            Gods son Adam from Genesis 2 produces the Holy Race…

            God does NOT allow mixed marriages ever..

            Ezra 9:12
            Therefore, do not give your daughters in marriage to their sons or take their
            daughters for your sons. Do not seek a treaty of friendship with them at any time..

            Now you know WHY God said this..

            Romans 9:27:
            Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea, only the remnant will be saved.

            Those who are mixed in any way are not part of the remnant…

            They will live out their mortal life and die, God is not the God
            of the dead… This is satan’s whole plan to mix everyone together
            by destroying the vessels of God ~ Who are the ones doing their fathers work,
            his children of course, the Jews~

            Know thy enemy!
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ

    • John Public

      You are not followers of Christ.

      • GENESIS777

        You don’t even know the name of Christ, so keep quiet!

    • Hoyte

      You sir are not Israel, The Appostle Paul was talking about the verry same Gospel of Jesus Christ, that was preached to the Gentile people, will be preached to israel by the two witnesses of revelations. they will reconise Jesus as God when he makes his return to earth, and they will cry and moan when there eyes are opened and they realise what they have done.

      • GENESIS777

        Why don’t you explain who Israel is…And who the gentiles are…Do you even know~

      • patrice

        I would let this fellow alone….he is quite angry and very strange. No sense whatsoever. All bibles are corrupt he says so where does he get his knowledge????

      • GENESIS777

        You never did explain who Israel is did you….

    • “RE:Should same-sex people be allowed into Christian churches?
      Absolutely they should, so they can hear the gospel preached from
      the Bible and get a chance to get saved from Hell.”

      This the same excuse why should demonic rock / metal / pop / electric satan inspired music be used for worship: to attract young people so they can hear the gospel!

      COMPROMISE with the world, for attendance and income.

      Because of this now the church has “become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.” – Rev 18:2

      People of God are now asked to COME OUT of the church and all organised religion:

      “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” – Rev 18:4

      • Jesus did NOT sin to attract the sinners!

  • Larry / vietnamvet1971

    and the Homosexual / Sodomite parade marches on and tramples on any one unless we stand up & speak out and call it for what it & they are, PERVERTS, and an Abomination against GOD. Let those that Love GOD stand up & speak out against Evil.

    Genesis 13:13 But the men of Sodom were WICKED and SINNERS before the LORD Exceedingly.
    and the WORD of GOD does not change, the Sodomites are still WICKED & SINNERS.

  • Josh
  • William

    Where in this article does it say that the church is TO ORDAIN HOMOSEXUALS AND PERFORM SAME-SEX MARRIAGE RITUALS ?

    • carrierwave

      Any 501c3 registered ‘church’ must now conform to the new law under IRS code 501(c)3 “tax-exempt”. It is inevitable, if you are “member” of a 501c3 church you are under legal, state jurisdiction, and MUST to conform to the law or face criminal charges, fines, and possible imprisonment. That’s right–as a “member” of the corporation, your bank account can be pilfered by the IRS if your ‘church’ is sued and when the church bank account runs dry, they will go after “corporate members” YOUR bank account. oh!? your ‘pastor’ didn’t tell you that? Of course he didn’t. He needs your $$$ if the church is sued, he’s not going to tell you the truth because any true child of God would get out of a 501c3 club asap! So what are you waiting for?

  • anon

    I dont care for the sentence “…but if Revelation 3:20 is right…”

    Of course it is right…there is no error in The Word of God.

  • carrierwave

    QUOTE: “Should same-sex people be allowed into Christian churches? Absolutely they should, so they can hear the gospel preached from the Bible and get a chance to get saved from Hell.”

    Here is the unfortunate quote as the result of a man’s satanicly inspired, worldly tradition and straying from the biblical definition of the ‘church’.

    The true scriptural answer to the question: “Should same-sex people be allowed into Christian churches?” is, abosolutely NO! The gathering of saints for fellowship and teaching doctrine is not the place for inviting the unsaved, whether homosexuals, drunkards, fornicators, adulterers, etc. to hear the Gospel preached. Gospel “preaching” is to be done out in the public sector, streets, homes, open-air meetings and so on. It is unbiblical to use “the gathering” of born-again believers for instruction and fellowship to bring in the unsaved to hear the gospel. Paul commanded that the saints should not allow fornicators into the “fellowship”, why in the world would God be in favor of bringing in trans-gender confused, and homosexuals to hear the Gospel?? Nonsense! This mentality comes from the modern, humanistic, 501c3 mainstream definition of the ‘church’ (a registered building full of people, with a steeple, stained glass windows, pews, offering plates, pulpits etc.) This is NOT what the “CHURCH” is. Dust off your KJV and study what the church is!! Here in lies the problem. We have been following the traditions of men copying the catholics for centuries, leaving the so-called ‘gospel preaching’ to one man, a paid hireling,(CEO of the club) while the saints piously sit back, tithe, and let satan make havoc and call it “church”! We absolutely deserve what we have today. God is sick of “CHURCH”! So, it is no wonder what is happening–Jesus Christ is no longer “HEAD” of the ‘church’ (501c3 mainstream, building indoctrinated, membership clubs) I left the whole mess 10 years ago; we meet, pray, study and fellowship in homes of belivers with SAVED saints, and witness out in the streets, neighborhoods, parks, campgrounds, ect. where evangelism is supposed to be done biblically. Allowing transgender, homo-joined couples, fornicators, drunkards etc. into God’s ‘church’ hear the Gospel is an absurd, and rebellious concept, and excuse to bring in MONEY. Bottom line! REPENT-

    • If I was a pastor, I would let them in my church. But they would hear the WHOLE counsel of God, holding nothing back. I would not, however, accept them into membership in their unsaved state, obviously.

      • carrierwave

        Where is “church membership” in the scriptures Geoffrey? For that matter, where does it say the Word that the ‘church’ is a building where we “should” let people come it and out to hear the ‘gospel’? These are men’s traditions and these false teachings has gotten God’s people into big trouble today. Paul, under God’s Spirit told believers to not “keep company” or “no, not to eat” with fornicators and a list of other sins; 1Co 5:11 what makes us think it is ok to bring in to open fellowship, gender confused or same-sex couples? We can witness to them everywhere else, but God says this is wrong to bring the unsaved into the gathering of the saints hear the “Gospel”. Saints should already KNOW the Gospel. We have the whole world to witness in, but not into the fellowship of the saints. False teachers and drunkards, fornicators and adulterers etc are not allowed and should be “purged OUT” and “PUT AWAY FROM YOURSELF” 1Cor.5:1-13

    • GENESIS777

      You are truly a beacon of mis-information…Sadly you are the highpoint of Christianity today!

      Lets address some of your false doctrine..

      RE: * is not the place for inviting the unsaved*

      No such thing as the unsaved, All of Gods elect were predestined to be saved..

      Romans 8:
      29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
      30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

      And WHO are the PREDESTINED-

      Romans 11: 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written..
      You do understand the meaning of ALL means right…

      RE: whether homosexuals, drunkards, fornicators, adulterers, etc. to hear the Gospel preached.

      Gods elect are NOT homosexuals, drunkards, fornicators, adulterers so why would you preach
      to them at all…

      Hebrews 8:
      For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord;
      I will put my laws into their mind and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and
      they shall be to me a people:

      Gods people DO NOT DO the things you said, they CAN’T!

      re: God is sick of “CHURCH”!

      No he is not, Church is the Ekklesia and it is the CALLED OUT individuals
      who consists of NO ONE but the Israelites, what he is sick of is you Christians
      telling non-Israelites they can join Gods covenant by accepting Jesus, a 100% LIE!

      RE: we meet, pray, study and fellowship in homes of believers with SAVED saints,

      I seriously doubt you even have a clue who Gods elect are…And ALL of Gods
      elect were saved BEFORE the foundation of the world, so while you may have
      a cute little gathering where you pass on one false doctrine after another, You are
      not SAVING anyone, you have NEVER saved a single person and you NEVER will
      as you are not above my Father in heaven and HE chose his people NOT YOU!

      • Heather

        Genesis666

        Corinthians 11:12-15K (KJV)
        12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may
        be found even as we.
        13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
        14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
        15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

        • GENESIS777

          RE:Genesis666

          That is so cute…My Father hates false accusers…You will learn that the hard way~

          Matthew 5:11
          “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.

          Keep blessing me woman…

        • patrice

          I would let this fellow alone….he is quite angry and very strange. No sense whatsoever. All bibles are corrupt he says so where does he get his knowledge????

          • GENESIS777

            I read the manuscript…People who actually know what they are talking about would be considered
            strange to someone like you who knows absolutely nothing but false doctrine…Want me to prove it
            in 1 simple question, that is all it will take because everything you’ve been taught is wrong…Your
            whole Christian doctrine is built on one lie after another…

            Explain what being again means, simple answer right…Yet you will get it wrong~

          • GENESIS777

            I read the manuscript…People who actually know what they are talking about would be considered
            strange to someone like you who knows absolutely nothing but false doctrine…Want me to prove it
            in 1 simple question, that is all it will take because everything you’ve been taught is wrong…Your
            whole Christian doctrine is built on one lie after another…

            Explain what being BORN AGAIN means, simple answer right…Yet you will get it wrong~

    • We are clearly told to come out from among the unbelievers and be ye separate! There is no equivocation in those words:

      http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2015/11/30/high-treason-against-the-living-god/

    • Kiwiwatcher

      Agree with you Carrierwave: same gender couples and gays would not be welcome to the open worship time on Sunday on my watch. The example it sets – I have no words to describe – appalling! Nothing wrong with a session for those types in the back room on Thursday evening, but definitely not with public worship congregation.
      If they did happen to turn up – the congregation should show that their behavior is not acceptable and the message from the pulpit – would be on how gays were treated in the Old Testament, and what Jesus thinks of their behavior in the New Testament…..every time. How long would it take before the gays and their kind would either change their ways or flee.

  • Gregory Perry Sr

    Geoffrey, Greenville 1st is NOT an SBC congregation and has not been since they voted in 1999 to diassociate themselves from the SBC due to the “fundamentalist takeover” of the Convention during that timeframe. They have been aligned with the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship ever since then. From that day to this they have continued to digress into their current apostate state. They don’t even Biblically qualify to be called a “church” anymore. I have been a Greenville area resident since 1971.

    • Yes, I understand that. But they used to be part of the SBC, and the article mentions another very recent defection from the SBC to the LGBT, as well. The question I am asking, is, are we seeing the beginnings of a trend?

  • Dean

    I’ve been saved for about 6 years now and have been going to church for nearly 4 years. I stay in one place for several months and then I notice some strange things going on and I end up leaving. I was in a Baptist Church a couple of months ago when the Sunday school teacher got up, who by the way told us he was a Freemason, and said the Holy Spirit had been speaking to him and he thought Christian bakers should be baking cakes for homosexual weddings. Another member of the church stood up and said he didn’t think that homosexuality was any worse than any other sin, and this is a married guy who gave me a very strange handshake one time, caressing my hand as he pulled away. I spoke to the pastor about what the Freemason said and I was told that I took it the wrong way. I’m still in shock that no one called this guy out and I was the only one who spoke out against him, and there were many so-called Christians there who’ve been going to church long before I was even born.

    It’s not just acceptance of homosexuality either, there are some very strange things going on in others. I attended a Nativity play put on by the teens at another church. There were no costumes, only kids wearing the same color of t-shirts, which is fine, but all the male roles were played by girls, including Gabriel, Joseph and King Herod. The girl playing Joseph held up a beard mask to her face. There was no reading of the scriptures, it was all very casually done. The angle announced to Mary she was going to have a baby and Mary said in a ditzy sort of way, “oh ok”, to the laughter of some people in the audience. This gender neutral play wasn’t put on for lack of male roles either. The boys came up on the stage and sat in chairs in a row and started snapping their fingers like they were in a 60s beatnik club and high fiving each other in a skit that had absolutely nothing to do with Jesus’ birth. I walked out in disgust.

    There seems to be a proliferation of Roman Catholic and even Mormon theology creeping into Baptist churches. I remember 2 churches talking about giving up something for Lent and had one pastor saying he wanted to be our “father” in the faith. Another pastor was talking about the scriptures supporting life on other planets and the deacon was promoting the Book of Mormon by saying the first half of it is just like the King James Bible. They are also bringing the things of the world into the church. One big Baptist church in town has a pastor who quoted Lord of the Rings during a sermon. Another of his sermons called “Twins” had a picture of Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito from the movie with the same title on the overhead behind him. You walk through the parking lot of this church and you see vehicles with Freemasonry symbols on them and even inverted pentagrams, which are things taken right out of satanism and the occult. Another church had two Christmas trees in the sanctuary and they had a Sunday service that had no sermon but instead had people walking down the aisles with Christmas wreaths and decorations to hang on the walls and decorate the trees. It was almost as if they were worshipping the trees instead of the Lord. The topper was they had someone dress up as Santa Claus to pay a visit there for the kids. I had asked the pastor about the trees being in the church and asked him if those weren’t pagan traditions and he said that have of them were pagans. Is that what he is going to say to Lord when he meets him face to face?

    What I see going on in the churches in my local area is almost incredible and I’m having a hard time finding a decent one. I find it unbelievable that these people sitting in these pews don’t see the same things that I do and I don’t think for a minute that this is just isolated to the area I live in. With the sad state of things, there won’t be a revival in this country when there needs to be a second reformation of the churches. Of course, I do believe we are in the very last days and Jesus did say there would be a falling away from the faith.

    • carrierwave

      Dean, it is pretty clear you have discerning eyes. Realize, these “ministries” are not of Jesus Christ, neither is He “head” of these so-called churches. They are conforming to the world because they ARE of the world. Any 501c3 ‘church’ is being judged by God right now. They are going to conform to the world for $$$, so they can continue to operate and bring in more $$$ and not get sued! This is big revenues to bring in the world, and the sin with it. Pastors are and will buckle to keep their pensions and second homes! We got out 10 years ago. We are free to teach God’s Word in home fellowships. People are saved an baptized, and we operate with God’s blessing, not state sanction! It is fruitless and dangerous to seek building oriented 501c3 “clubs” they call churches; they are after your pocketbook, and they want you to go down with them. GET OUT ASAP!

    • MARY

      Jesus said you will know the truth and
      the truth will set you free..the only people I see teaching the true religion are Jehovah’s witnesses.

      • Edwitness

        MARY,
        When Jesus said that you will know the truth He prefaced it with, “If you continue in MY WORD, THEN are you my disciples indeed….and the truth shall make you free”. John 8:31,32.
        He also told them that He Himself is the truth. John14:6.
        That being said, it would follow that we can believe Him, right?
        So, when Jesus answered the Jews when they were questioning Him about death by saying “I am” (John 8:58), what do you think He meant? Do you remember what God told Moses when he asked God who he should say has sent him? God told him to tell them “I AM has sent you”. Exodus 3:14. This would make Jesus God, right?
        Now I’m sure you know that the JWs do not believe that Jesus is God. They teach He was “a god”. Someone who had authority from God, but not God himself.
        There are many scriptures that say Jesus is God, but the JWs reject them all. Does this sound like a group of people who teach the truth? They can’t even get started in the truth because they reject the truth that Jesus told us about Himself. That He is “I AM”. And we are also told that He is God the Creator. Col.1:16,17.
        JWs are as far from the truth as a person can be.

      • dean

        Mary, if you believe that you are just as deceived as any of the other people I’ve encountered.

    • Debbie

      Dean, your experiences are disturbing. Have you tried non-denominational churches that believe in the power of Holy Spirit and teach the entire word of God? It seems that once part of the bible “isn’t for today” is taught, it becomes easier to disregard other bibblical truths and the power of Holy Spirit.

      • dean

        Yes, I have and they aren’t any better and they may even be worse. One of them had a sanctuary with basketball goalies on both sides with Pepsi signs hanging above them. I remember reading an article about one of Beatles saying they were more popular than Jesus. A lot of Christians back in the 1960a burned their albums because of this and this church was playing Beatles music for worship service! I can’t help but think this was done to blaspheme the Lord. I’ve been in another church that played loud ear busting rock music and they sang the same 2 lines from the song over and over again for at least 20 minutes, if not more. The pastor was wearing a Mickey Mouse t-shirt and would break out into speaking tongues (with no interpreter of course). It’s really disturbing to see what is out there and as I’ve said before, I don’t think this is confined to the area I live in.

  • Clay

    I’m a southern Baptist and this is blasphemy against God and from the pit of hell if it is true. We are definitely in the end; BUT! There is still “7000” that still have not bowed to satan. Praise God.
    Keep preaching Geoff and I will keep handing out your tracts and telling them that Jesus is coming.
    Clay, Saint of the Most High God
    JEHOVAH

  • All these people sitting in that church, on the highway to hell! O God, who will intercede for them?! They can’t sit there and occupy those pews and just stay there and be exempt from the judgment that belongs to them that give their approval. Romans 1:32

  • “For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.” (John 12:43). And where is courage any more? The national bird should now be the chicken! Bloom County Cartoonist Berke Breathed once depicted a lawyer rejoicing at the sight of “a society of hiding, dependent, squabbling mice-people.” I fear it is even worse.

    The Left’s warm-up act was playing the race card and the unjust-prosperity card, and dispensing “white guilt”. Many whites, it seems, have ridiculously bent over backwards to demonstrate that they are not racists or heartless, even for such reason refusing to fight the socialist, destructive, liberty-usurping, debt-ballooning policies of our first black president and the Left.

    The second act was the moral relativist card. Anyone adhering to Christian morals was lambasted as conceited and judgmental. (In John 18:38, “Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?”)

    The third act was the homophobe card. The Left threatens people who believe in traditional marriage by lambasting them as discriminators and threatening them with social and professional ostracism, legal bullying, etc. The gay mafia is gaining strength! Not only have many Christians fearfully remained silent about the promotion of the sin of homosexuality, notably Pope “Who-Am-I-To-Judge”, but many now openly declare it as acceptable, probably so that they are viewed by others as tolerant and liked. But Isaiah 5:20 states, “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; …” And the fabric of society continues to unravel. The Left destroyed the black family with welfare, the white family with cohabitation, and now even the terms “husband” and “wife” have been replaced in some jurisdictions with “Parent #1” and “Parent #2”. Debauchery!

    With all of this on the surface, what is at the core must be hideous. I recall a man saying that history is the narrative of people(s) turning toward and away from God. May he grant us mercy and grace for repentance and revival!

  • Robb

    How come we don’t hear LGBT demanding to be accepted by Islam & getting marriage ceremonies/ ordination at mosques in USA? Whatever excuse the mosque use should be used by church as well……. On second thought , church cannot use throwing gays from rooftops as part of the religious ceremony.

    • Dan

      Isn’t it odd that we are not hearing anything from the mosques about this issue ; homosexual membership ? We hear nothing about the LGBT community in mosques . Why is that.

      Geoff maybe an article addressing this would be something that might kickstart the media .

      • buddy fox

        Because they both have the same boss .

  • This makes me sick to my stomach. It is so clear to see that the The End Times is near when so few can come beteween professed Christians and their God. It is time to stand up for God’s word, stright from the Bible. God does not promote Homosexuality! God still loves them but until they know Him, which they can not according to their behavior, they will not know heaven. God says not to change His Word or to add to it! It is time to stand up for God’s word, and not let a small few change our beliefs in what the Bible tells us IS THE TRUTH. Now is the time to pray and keep reading God’s word for It Is the Way the Truth and the Light.

    • carrierwave

      Being part of a 501c3 ‘church’ is THE PROBLEM. It is coming to your ‘church’ also. The state has no LEGAL jusridiction over God’s people unless you join a 501c3 organization. The love of $$$ keeps pastors from leading God’s people out of legal entanglements with the state and unincorporating. They are all going down, regarless.

    • GENESIS777

      Until they him? They are NOT Gods people…If they WERE, They would know him!

      10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,
      saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and
      I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
      11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother,
      saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

      Do you got that, They shall NOT ask if they know the Lord, what do all Christians do,,,
      Do you know Jesus Christ…..They should NOT be asking ANYONE that question, ALL
      of Gods elect know him from the day they are born, because they lived with God in HEAVEN
      Before being born on the earth and he is their FATHER…

  • If you visit the churches web site and read the church’s history it clearly states that the church voted in 1999 to disaffiliate with the Southern Baptist Convention in 1999. http://firstbaptistgreenville.com/history-of-first-baptist-greenville/ Therefore if this is the only example you have of a SBC church doing what you are accusing them of doing as a convention then you are wrong. Your headline while it may get attention is a false statement and you need to apologize to the SBC, ISSUE THAT APOLOGY AND MAKE A CORRECTION ON THIS PAGE.You also need to do a little more research before you make a story like this because if you had research the SBC web site and looked up official SBC statements concerning this issue you would have found out that the SBC does not allow this to happen in SBC affiliated churches. Shalom!

    • I guess you didn’t read much of the article past the headline, we mention a very recent defection from California. And my article does NOT say that the SBC allows it or condones it, only that it is happening.

  • All I Know for sure and for a fact. The Most High Almighty God said it was WRONG. He said it in the Old book. He said it in the New Book; almost 30 times. As a practicing Catholic-my faith says it is an ‘intrinsic evil’. That Will not change-(at least the Word of God part). They are not born that way; that is bogus and I know it. Now the pedophiles are lining up to say they too are ‘born that way’. Has anyone noticed all the ads now? They are calling pets-as in dogs and cats, their ‘sons and daughters’. A dog food ad called it her ‘boys’. It was a boy and his dog. WORDS MATTER. They started calling murder Abortion. Called babies-fetuses. Chicago is now calling homicide murders by the blacks; non-criminal offenses. WORDS MATTER. The sodomite relationship folks started calling themselves ‘gay’. HERE ARE SOME WORDS. IT IS A SIN. ALL WHO ‘OK’ THIS (EVEN IF YOU DON’T ‘DO IT’) ARE STILL JUST AS WRONG. WORD OF GOD. THANKS BE TO GOD.

    • GENESIS777

      How do you know they are not born that way? Did God not say he made
      some for everlasting glory and others for everlasting contempt…
      Yes he did! The beginning of wisdom is learning that God is in control
      of ALL things…

  • Tusitala

    The acceptance of homosexuals into fellowship in mainline “Christian churches” has begun and will continue. This is a direct result of the formation of the one world pagan religion which is under the auspices of the Roman abomination. Look at what we have seen come to light in the Catholic church: decades of sexual abuse where priests and nuns have been moved from parish to parish when they were known pedophiles. They were protected by the hierarchy in Rome, hidden, and never reported to civil authorities. In fact, the Vatican continues to defy efforts to bring these criminals to justice. Remember that Rome also aided Nazi war criminals to flee after the Holocaust, they believe they are a law unto themselves, and their master is Satan himself. Can you not see the connection between a completely unBiblical “celibate” priesthood and the proliferation of homosexuals in the Catholic clergy, priests and nuns? This is the continuing saga of the Babylonian-based idolatrous cult in which billions are enmeshed, there is no base practice which is beyond them. Be not deceived: all roads lead to Rome.

    • LINCOLNLOVER

      You are correct. All of this is a continuation of Nazi and Catholic tactics, employed to deceive people and destroy the church of Jesus Christ. The history of the Catholic church and Nazi Germany is damning. Just a little reading of history would certainly open some eyes. Your last sentence covers this quite well.

  • HAYDEN

    “There will be a voice of biblical interpretation in the evangelical world that says the way this has been interpreted by the average preacher on AM radio every Sunday is not the only way that evangelicals read biblical literature.”

    Correct. The way we ought to read scripture is to feel it’s conviction and transform our life. The people spoken about in this article are reading it in a different way. They open the Bible hoping to affirm the way they’re already living. That’s not contrition that’s denial.

  • Bob Hightower

    I think at min. mark 1:50 on the first video, we see the problem. Their hymnals are whipped and their Bibles are in great shape! 🙁

  • Sheila Simmons

    When God calls something “abomination” and says “Thou shalt not…” it leaves no wiggle room.

  • Edwitness

    I don’t understand the need some have to defend a denomination. Paul said “let there be no divisions (denominations) among you. People either follow the teachings of Christ and the apostles or they don’t. No matter which ‘denomination’ they have chosen to affiliate themselves with. We Christians are what makes up the body of Christ. Not this or that denomination. And as Paul queried, “Is Christ divided?…..” The answer must be no or we are participating in a party spirit that is antithetical to the oneness God desires in His church.
    COME QUICKLY LORD JESUS!!!
    Blessings:-}

    • carson

      jeremiah 17 (looking to/trusting in men..) show it boiled down. People look to others including self also/institutions/traditions etc and forget the Lord.
      There can be varying degree’s to doing it, some are full bore at it, all tied up in a religion and it’s traditions and it’s so called teachers/leaders and easily led astray due to looking to men above looking to the Lord to begin with, others in other denominations maybe not as much doing that..but what on earth is going on that looking to men would come higher then looking to the Lord?

      Who hung on a cross for any? Who is Lord? Who has the sight? Who has the strength? Who has the wisdom? Who is Truth?..Who….(long list)..where does man come into it as far as being head/truth/wisdom/sight giving/..and more?
      What do we as believers have that we did not receive? and if we received it why do we boast, but, why also do we look to others as if they didn’t also receive but instead with them it’s somehow self made/self created/inherent..
      People gifted by God to do any ministry, yet gifted by God it was and is not of themselves, but people look to whoever and forget God who gifted.

      if we lets say listen to some guy for even years and he’s right on the bible but then he begins to drift away do we follow him? no. attempt to help him back you bet, but follow no, but many people still place looking to menkind somewhere too high on the rungs of the ladder of important things, some even have men on the highest rung and the Lord is down 2nd or 3rd or worse.
      ..and one said “I am of paul”, and another said “I am of appollo” and another said..
      Who hung on the cross, who paid the price, who do we as believers belong to..
      also 1st corinthians 6:19-20..what is this-ye are not your own- and how does it relate to people looking to self and/or men over looking to the Lord.
      I can grasp people wanting to belong to something/be enjoined, but Christ owns and is the only source and all the denominations and things they place high on the rungs of the ladder are only temporary things anyway..even ministries will cease (taken from 1st corinthians 13:8), ask them why not be fully enjoined and above all to Christ and what goes onward forever and leave the temporary things well down somewhere on that ladder of important things lol. and again, what do we have that we did not receive, be fully looking to and enjoined with Christ from whom we received all things.

      had a thought..some ministries are building dynasties?!..eternal..dynasties? important! dynasties?..

  • the other mary

    Well can’t say I’m not confused about what the article says & what it doesn’t. Care to start over?

  • I’m SHOCKED !

  • Nancy

    I attended a SB church in Phoenix over 35 years ago -It was traditonal, the pastor preached from the KJV and 3 of my children got saved there. At that time the TBN people were after the pastor to join their network and he declined, although he had appeared on a couple of their programs. We moved and I found out later that the pastor had resigned (they said retired) and a new pastor had taken over. Gone was the KJV, and gone were traditional church hymns, replaced with contemporary music etc.

    I believe it was Dr. Ruckman (ordained under a SB pastor) who first exposed the SB Convention and their “gift-loans.” He said that the churches were required to used the convention’s sunday school literature and that the deacons basically ran the direction of the church, as they were choosen for their money raising ability, although the office is one of spirituality. As I began to investigate churches and their histories, I found that the SB churches were mostly run by Masons. I know a bit about the Masonic organization as I come from a family with extensive Masonic membership. I, myself was a Rainbow girl, and for a brief time member of the Eastern Star.

    The folks who are warning about the 501c3 church exemptions are entirely correct. That law was put in under LBJ, a prominent Mason. The government never gives something without an agenda. Look at how they control all the retirement plans (IRAs and 401k’s).

    Check this: Tax Exempt and 508 (c): How Not having Tax Status can help Economy …
    http://www.christianforums.com/threads/tax-exempt-and-508-c-how-not-having-tax-status-can-help-economy.7708409/

  • Genesis 777; you are without a doubt, the most arrogant sounding, in the true right person who is commenting on this site. With ALL the evil in this nation; abortions now hovering at FIFTY SEVEN MILLION DEAD, Homos everywhere and that same being TAUGHT in our public schools, drugs coming into the ‘legal’ zone, zooies lining up in the corners along with the pedophiles and on and on…AND YOU ALL FIGHT AND TRY TO EXTERMINATE EACH OTHER. IS IT NOT ENOUGH FOR SOMEONE TO SAY I BELIEVE ON HIM WHO DIED FOR MY SINS? TO REPENT AND TRY THEIR BEST TO LIVE A GOOD AND CHRISTIAN LIFE? NO…I guess it is not…YOU HAVE TO BE RIGHT…only EVERY LITTLE DOT OF THE ‘I’ AND EVERY CROSS OF THE ‘T’…..WOW………..Take a look at the beam in your own eye. SAVE YOUR IRE FOR THE DEVIL AND THOSE WHO FOLLOW HIS EVIL IN DOING THE SINS SPOKEN OF IN THE HOLY WORD OF GOD. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • GENESIS777

      And you are an uneducated heretic who belongs to a CULT! And you aren’t even smart enough to
      see that the Catholic church is part of the beast that rises out of the pit to deceive all nations…In short, you are an idiot and no
      I don’t consider you my brother in Christ so calling you what you really are is not a problem…
      Now go slither back to your cult and bow down to your statutes while you proclaim the Pope as your God..
      I don’t want anymore of your stupidity to rub off on me!

  • Laura

    THE HEADLINE OF THIS ARTICLE IS FALSE AND MISLEADING…this is NOT a SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHURCH!!!!! NO, this church is NOT a part of the Southern Baptist Convention..it is there in BLACK AND WHITE on their website!!! This church left the SBC a long time ago(80’s) to be part of what became known as the “Cooperative Baptist Fellowship” which is the liberal, social justice people that did not like us returning to our Biblical roots back in the 80’s…they were liberal and ‘progressive’ long ago and the stance of this church on this matter is exactly what I would expect of a CBF church. PLEASE CORRECT YOUR HEADLINE as it SLANDERS ALL SOUTHERN BAPTISTS who still hold to the inerrancey of scripture on this matter..(PS: I should know; my hub was a southern Baptist pastor for 27 years until his death..we remember when all of the liberal churches pulled away to form their own group because they disagreed with the convention holding strong on the authority of the Word of God..I’ve been in that organization a long time). CHANGE the headline, PLEASE! It is false and misleading…

  • Vladimir

    REPENT!! and be baptized in the Name of JESUS!!!

  • The Convention’s constitution states explicitly that ANY congregation that endorses homosexual behavior is “NOT IN cooperation with the Convention,” and thus excluded from its membership. Any serious Christian should FACT CHECK before making assumptions.

  • kmajohn3:16

    Thank you Nancy got posting that link. Also at Carriewave… About oh maybe 6 months ago I started reading on 501c churches. With thee above comments, those who follow a “denomination”, those who add to and twist His Holy Word… It is just a mess… This last year has been difficult because of the division and one side vehemently expressing they have the truth and the other saying no they don’t… It can leave many feeling like “I’ll just plop right where I am and not move at all.” It begins to look like “then where do I go.” I am so thankful that I have His Word, His Holy Spirit, and my Savior.. And He will guide those who a true and pure heart to serve Him and His people., 🙂

    • Edwitness

      Kmajohn3:16,
      You are not alone. And remember Elijah when he thought he was the only one serving the Lord? Turned out there were many that had not bowed their knee to the false god.
      MARANATHA!
      blessings:-}

      • Kmajohn3:16

        Thank you Edwitness! Amen! Have to remember His Word tells us this will come… So our eyes always on Him! 🙂

  • Jimmie

    I’m a believer but have an entire different take on Jediis Christ and scripture
    When Christ spoke through his gospels. Where does he speak condemning homosexuality
    I could be wrong but there are no passages
    He never said to speak against any one group when many came to hear his words
    He never stated only those without sin are allowed
    He spoke to everyone
    Sectarians twist the truth They twist his very words
    To equate the bible is perfect I respectfully disagree
    The bible Old Testament talks about a father sleeping with his daughters
    It talks about slaves as part of life
    Slavery has been removed
    Though some would love to bring it back
    Southern Baptists are so different than any group I’ve witnessed
    Some are tolerant of people’s lifestyles while others become enraged
    Curse condem and judge
    One of the most powerful words Jesus Christ said
    You who are without Sin cast the first stone
    How many among you is willing to do so?
    Myself I know I could never

    • Edwitness

      Jimmie,
      What if Jesus really is God? John 1:1,14
      And what if Jesus really did send the Holy Spirit to teach us the truth?John14:16,17
      And what if He really did speak to the apostles? Hebrews 1:1,2
      What if the apostles really did write down what the Holy Spirit told them to? 1stCor.14:37,38
      What if the apostle Paul was told to write that “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; MEN WITH MEN working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves the recompense of their error which was meet…..Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them”?
      Romans 1:26,27,32
      What if these things really did happen just as the Bible says? Would you then believe homosexuality is an abomination to God? Genesis 13:13; 19:4-9 & Deuteronomy 23:17,18
      And what if someone who calls himself a Christian refused to believe the words that gave us Christianity? 2nd Timothy 3:1-7
      Wouldn’t God deal with him according to the words He gave to His prophets and apostles? 2nd Thessalonians 2:10-12
      What if God says what He means and means what He says? What if….?

    • Kiwiwatcher

      Slavery in the Hollywood sense may be abolished but slaves in the Bible are often referred to, in a Spiritual manner. Guess it would be like corporate slavery, perhaps like working for McDonalds, or JPMorgan Chase & Co, both offer a form of slavery.
      Slave – to serve, do service. Metaphorically – to obey, submit to, to be bound to, to yield to, to give oneself up to.

      Slaves are noted in the last days when Babylon is fallen and the merchants weep over the loss of, Rev 18:13 “And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and SLAVES, and souls of men.”

    • GENESIS777

      Most of what you wrote is not true…

      re: He never said to speak against any one group when many came to hear his words.

      Wrong, he spoke in parables so certain people would not be able to understand his words.

      re: He never stated only those without sin are allowed

      Allowed where? Only the Israelites will ever return to heaven, He told the jews with I go ye can not come.

      re: He spoke to everyone.

      The bible was written to just one people, the race of Adam from Genesis 2.

      re:Sectarians twist the truth They twist his very words

      You are twisting the truth also.

      re: To equate the bible is perfect I respectfully disagree.

      True there are thousands of mistranslated words and meanings, but to remove
      entire passages just because you don’t like them makes you an anti-Christ.

      re:The bible Old Testament talks about a father sleeping with his daughters

      His daughters got him drunk and he did not know what was happening.

      re: It talks about slaves as part of life

      Slavery was a part of life, it spoke of how to treat slaves fairly and humanely.

      re: Though some would love to bring it back.

      Slavery never went away, we still work and our money is taken by threat and given to others.

      re: Some are tolerant of people’s lifestyles while others become enraged

      The devil is tolerant too, the scriptures are not , ye shall love one and hate the other but you can’t do both.

      re: One of the most powerful words Jesus Christ said You who are without Sin cast the first stone.

      That was not in the original text, they thought it sounded Christ like so it was added to the text.

      The bible is 100% CRYSTAL clear on homosexuality, what is not clear to most people, is God
      is not speaking to his “covenant people” pay attention to the words used:

      Example on homosexuality:

      Romans 1:28

      Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God,
      so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

      He is not speaking about his covenant people, he is speaking of They and Them, he is not
      saying You, he is not addressing his covenant people but the people who are not part of
      his covenant.. He did not say so God gave YOU up..

      His covenant people are his literal children from heaven whom existed before this earth
      was even created, this is in the bible, his children, his literal family, he sends to this earth
      in flesh bodies just as their brother Christ did several times..

      The bible is very clear on this, there are created people from Genesis 1..

      There is Gods son that was born in Genesis 2, it is through this Adam of Genesis 2
      that God sends his children to dwell on the earth.. They are the fewest of all people
      on the earth, 5% or less, Everything in the scriptures was written exclusively for this 5% of people..

      Gods covenant people are not doing things like homosexuality, they can’t do those things.

      The people you see doing those things are not Gods family, the promises of the bible
      do not pertain to them, it was not written to them and they are excluded from Gods Kingdom.

      1 John 3:9
      Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
      for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin because he is born of God.

      It is these people whom ALL of the promises apply too, they were BORN OF GOD in Heaven
      before this earth even existed, they were there with god when he created the earth, they saw it
      happen live, they CAN NOT be homosexuals because they came from God..

      Psalm 82;
      God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

      2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked?

      3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

      4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

      5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

      6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

      7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

      8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

      • Dan

        Genesis 777, I’m having a hard time trying to follow your understanding . Is there a website that will explain your beliefs better?

        I get it that everyone seems to be upset with what you’re saying and most feel that you hate Jews. But who is teaching this?

        You said that some of us are born without a spirit in Genesis 1. Would you explain Genesis 1:27 which states GOD created Adam in his own image ?. Again I get it that everyone is mad at you on here but in all truthfulness I had to come and see for myself. Yes, I heard about you on another article ; where people are complaining about you to Geoff and sure enough here you are (too funny) I’ve been on NTEB since its first year of existence and one thing I know about Geoff is ; he welcomes all points of view. Of course if your obnoxious towards anyone including the Jews he’ll ask you to tone it down. But for the most part he let’s us share our beliefs and I’m no exception.

        I’m very thankful that someone like Geoff ; namely Geoff ; is here sounding the alarm “we are seeing endtime signs” so let’s turn up the volume on spreading the Gospel !

        So in saying that I would like to again ask you to direct me to a better understanding of how you come to believe as you do.

        Blessings

        • GENESIS777

          Technically, all of Gods elect hate the jews, we can’t help it..
          My Father put that hatred there himself…It tells you that in the scripture..

          Listen to this 10 minute video and you will understand why God put hatred
          between his sons and satans sons, it’s for our own good~

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKXajbcbB50

          As for the created people in Genesis 1, they were created Adamites, i’e they are white
          but they have no spirit.. They were also created by Gods sons the Eloheem and not by God
          the Father who’s son was the Adam of Genesis 2 not Genesis 1, this was Gods literal flesh
          and blood that carries Gods spirit..

          The other races on this earth are all pre-adamic, they also have no spirit they are the earthy
          people spoken of in Scripture..They are mortal and when they die it’s over, the other people from
          Gods son Adam are immortal, the spirit is eternal and they return home to their Father again when they die..

          Which is why God said he is the God of the living and not the God of the dead.. For when the dead die
          they know nothing..

          God has creations on this earth, and he has his own family on this earth, two completely different beings,
          he told you how to tell them apart, ye shall know them by their fruit-

          Satan knows who all of them are, he can spot them a mile away..In all honesty if people truly understood
          Scripture they would be able to pick out Gods children, satan’s children and the created people in any room..

          satan’s plan is to mix everyone together therefore destroying the vessels of God, Once a spirit person
          mixes with a non-spirit person the child they produce will be a corrupted hybrid, and Gods spirit can
          not dwell in that child… Which is why God said I am holy and you are to be Holy, Holy does not mean
          religious, it means separate, i’e stay away from the created people on the earth, do not marry with them,
          do not live among them, do not be friends with them…This is all in scripture..

          Gods people do not listen and now they are down to just about 5% of the global population and dropping by the day..

          We are closing in on the days of Noah, Noah was the last white family left that did not mongrelize his seed with the
          created people..God had to save him or the end of the Adamic race from Gods son Adam would have occurred..

          As for other people not liking this message, it’s 100% predictable, Christ said ye shall be hated for it, no one
          hates anyone for the message from the devil that we are one big happy family and should all be as one, God
          said the complete opposite, be HOLY be Separate!

          • Dan

            @Genesis777, can you explain how Jesus fits into Comparet’s belief system ? Jesus had African ancestry and he was from Nazareth. Also one can argue that Jesus came solely for the Jews until we later find out from Paul that his true reason was not revealed until after his death. GOD died to mend whatever caused the separation from his creation. GOD did this deliberately so Satan would kill Jesus. The body of Christ is made up of not only no gender but also no ethnicity. Its very clear. As believers we can only claim to be part of Christ and are only included because of our trust that he will put us there. Also what’s funny is GOD’s sense of humor . You see GOD removed Adam from Eden because of the tree of eternal life and yet in the end he lovingly gives it back freely. Just like a loving parent does even though the child was disobedient and doesn’t deserve it.

            However, I will admit because I am white it would be fantastic to be so special

            Blessings

      • Edwitness

        G777,
        So your saying that John 3:16 does not mean what it says? And what about 2ndPeter3:9? Or Romans10:12,13? “There is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto ALL that call upon His Him.
        For WHOSOEVER shall call upon the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED.” Vs.19 shows that when Paul says Jew in vs.12 he is talking about Israel.
        Then there is John10:15,16. Just who are these “other sheep”?

    • Larry / vietnamvet1971

      The LORD is long suffering none should Perish but Repent, in Revelation 21:8 He gives His last Warning:

      8 “But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

      Homosexuals are Included in this warning, and your argument of casting a stone is silly .

  • “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” Eph. 5:11

  • Beth

    Ok I’ll speak now, about what Jesus says about homosexual marriage. He condemned it, indirectly. He quoted in Matthew 19:4 and 5 from Genesis 2:24 that marriage is between man and a woman. Now, Jesus had to follow all of the law perfectly or he could not have been our perfect Lamb to give up His life in the cross. He never support gay marriage, only heterosexual marriage.

    • Larry / vietnamvet1971

      The LORDS final warning to people that live /practice these Sins / Abominations against GOD.

      Revelation 21 :8 “But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

    • Edwitness

      Beth,
      Can you show me a passage that explicitly states that Jesus had to “follow all of the law perfectly or He could not be our perfect lamb to give up His life on the cross”? It is my understanding that all of Israel, of which Jesus was a part, were required to keep the law. And there is one place in Luke 1:6 and another in Phil. 3:6 where it is says that people kept the law “blamelessly”.
      I think the teaching that the requirement for Jesus being the spotless lamb was that He keep the law perfectly(blamelessly), is not found in the Bible.
      It is a tradition taught by men. Jesus’ “spotlessness” is because He trusted only in the Father. Just like we are spotless through faith in Jesus.
      The keeping of the law, no matter how perfectly, can never cleanse completely those who come to Christ. Heb.9:9.
      And righteousness does not come through the keeping of the law. Gal.3:21.
      Blessings:-}

      • GENESIS777

        Christ had to keep the law perfectly for one specific reason..
        In order to enter the netherworld and be able to LEAVE it he must have
        NEVER sinned, otherwise he would have been held by satan just as Adam
        was being held by satan, by never sinning satan had absolutely no right to keep him…

        Of course almost all Christians tell this fantastic fairy tale that Christ came for the jews and he failed…
        He did not, he came for Adam, and he 100% succeeded, not only did he free Adam and all of his descendants,
        He shut the entire netherworld down so no further Adamites have ever gone there since that day and never will~
        They won’t teach you that in your SBC will they, no they won’t, because God turned ALL churches over to satan~

    • Edwitness

      Beth,
      What I wrote about Jesus keeping the law in no way should be construed to mean that He did not speak out in exactly the way you described against homosexuality. Jesus agreed with the law completely on the subject.
      Blessings:-}

  • bremertonchristian

    Agree with you 100% Geoffe. Question for the self righteous haters: can I invite a lost person to church congregation? Can I invite a gay lost person to church congregation? What’s the difference? All sin is equally condemning but they bear different physical punishment. If I look at a woman with lust in my eye I have committed adultery, but if I commit adultery I will bear the physical consequences of my sin;divorce,S.T.D. etc… Congregation is actually meant for God’s benefit, He enjoys being worshipped by His people. How glad is He when we bring a lost sinner to church congregation with us so that they can here His word? Very. We go to church to collectively worship our Father through our Saviour for His glory and pleasure, what we get from it is; fellowship, learning, blessings, etc… Don’t push the gays away from maybe there only chance in this life to here the word of God by making them think they are somehow beyond His grace and mercy. His grace is GREATER than> any/all sin. Be freind a gay person and show them Christ’s love for them through your actions.

  • NinjaOfFaith

    What’s the point of even going to a church if it’s just as messed up, mentally ill, and sinful as the world at large?

    They’re not even worshipping God in these types of congregations – they’re only worshipping themselves and their sin, and trying to rationalize and justify their sin.

    But God Almighty will judge them!

    🙂

  • Dan

    On the issue on homosexuality let’s not just avoid the science of it. We all know there are Hermaphrodites. Where does GOD fall with them? They have both genitals and yes their born that way. So because we have that fact; why do we not accept what homosexuals and transgender people are telling us ; Their born this way. Instead we just condemn despite scientific proof.

    So Geoff, lets address the Elephant in the room. Why are there infants that are being born with both genitals ? Why are there infants who feel like the are the opposite sex despite the fact that they are either male or female. Why are there infants who are born attracted to the same sex? These are questions supported by facts that can be proven. So let’s stop arguing about biblical interpretation and rather start realizing these people are suffering (because they all mom and dads who gave birth to them) and lets start addressing why it is apparent that GOD has allowed for them to be created?

    • Kmajohn3:16

      I will do my best to answer this question. 🙂 bare with me… This was a question that I asked The Lord early in my walk with Him. Now He answered me quite quickly and through a little boy, who’s behavior showed just how many think they are born this way. That spirit comes upon them so early there is no memory of what is happening to them and of course it would not feel like confusion being so young.

      Now to answer about hermaphrodites being born this way. Well yes, and I can see how linking then attraction may very well be that way to. I see that. Let me go into this first and I’ll come back around.

      My mother is a nurse. She has taken care of several children who were born with severe retardations, they can’t walk talk, they are on feeding tubes.. 🙁 why??? She had a few patients that were this way because the parents genes did not match. They should have never had kids. They could have 10 and the result would be the same. The scripture does tell us that God had instruction to His people that they were not to marry certain tribes. I believe this is the very reason. They were never to mix, which we still see today. Now I am not nor ever want to say this is absolutely the correct answer, I am not God truly a humble servant. Again just doing my best to answer in possibility.

      One more reason.. We also know that children can and do suffer the sins of the their father. If we see kids who are born with complications because their mother drank, did drugs, the list can go on.. This is a very physical affect.. But if a mother is in a deep unhealthy emotional state, this affects a child in the womb. This is just by the mother how a child can be affected and attacked spiritually.

      And also parents who are unaware of the spirit world, do not pray over themselves let alone their children. Then that child is exposed to any demon, unclean spirit, they may be around. I usually say “you don’t get to pick your demon that will follow you and deceive you”… I hope this answer that question… But as always we are to pray for
      The lost not hate them, degrade them, but share His truth and His love and His grace we need and can’t live without! 🙂

      • Dan

        @ Kmajohn3:16
        I too am a nurse and from what I read in your post to me ; we’re in agreement as to what may have happened eg: mankind corrupted his bloodline in whatever way and in doing so gave birth to what we see today eg: homosexuality , hermaphrodite etc.

        These conditions are no different than blindness or deafness or sickness for that matter. The core essence of all this is they are rooted from the same thing which separated Adam from GOD.

        So now since we know and do not blame the hermaphrodite from being born the way they are ; do we also not blame homosexuals or those with gender identity issues. Christians are the worst at forgiving one another and worse condemn others who are not as fortunate to be as whole (for lack of a better word) than they are. Despite Jesus’ own words telling us the greatest commandments are love GOD and each other.

        Its no different with Christianity verses denominations. There were no denominations before the apostles and in fact Paul told us not to be divided. Paul preached there should be no division among us. So why is Christianity so fragmented ?

        I could go on but I know better and besides GOD’s already told us what state the church will be in before he returns; so I don’t let it bother me too much.

        Blessings

  • Mr. Grieder,

    I have heard and seen enough of your ‘Christian’ website. You repeatedly take on other people’s faith; labeling them with horrible names, judging their hearts as if you are God Himself. The same holds true for many of you who see no problem with just calling folks terrible, hurtful, evil names while pounding your own chests. As I have had no problem with stating I am a practicing Catholic (I converted from; Pentecostal, United Methodist to Catholic) and you see no issue whatsoever calling all Catholics horrible names. The rest of you didn’t even TRY to call out Mr. Grieder on his horrible stories. I do agree with you that this pope is a false pope (think ala Jimmy Swaggart and Tammy Faye and her Jones hubby and the rest of that ILK), and yes the liberals are trying to ruin the Church Jesus started with St. Peter that day…but to call ALL Catholics whom NONE OF YOU can EVEN SEE THEIR HEArTS.;…wrong, evil and blah blah is over the limits of even Decency let alone Christian.

    And a PS for you Mr Genesis666; you are in Every WAY a Small little M.A.N.; and don’t Bother replying and calling me MORE Names as I am unsubscribing as you and your ilk are beyond any hope of civility or decency.
    HAD ENOUGH OF You folks.

    • GENESIS777

      Of course you are, you’re a coward, you throw stones and then run away in your pretty little pink dress!

    • KmajOhn3:16

      To the best of my knowledge.. The writer has not called the people (congregation) names. The write is speaking to the heads of the church. The leaders, and the leaders of years past, and 100’s of years… You can absolutely call a leadership evil, when they knew of priests molesting little boys. There were nuns who knew of this to. When you have a religion that hides such vile abuse to children how is that in error? It is disgusting how they have treated this gross and deeply harmful acts so lightly and no sign of grave sorrow over it. I was raised Catholic… I know that there are those who truly love The Lord and do good works with faith. But I will not follow a religion who hide these me away with no consequence to their actions.. If you love following in the Catholic faith then so be, and carry on… But if someone is writing on the leadership that is in grave error and misleading so many, I don’t understand how one can still follow.. But truly I say may God our Father be with and always reveal His truth! Amen! 🙂

  • Southern Baptist Church’s have TURNED their backs on our True GOD the FATHER who art in HEAVEN and HIS SON Jesus ( Yeshua ) Christ!!

    Our True GOD who art in HEAVEN DOES NOT CONDONE homosexuality and Abortion PERIOD!!

    Our True GOD who art in HEAVEN CREATED ADAM and EVE for each other!!

    Please PRAY for our Judeo-Christian Nation United States of America and Israel-Yisrael Everyday!! “Pray Without Ceasing.” ( 1 Thessalonians 5:17 KJV )!!

    Love Always and Shalom Everyone,

    Kristi

  • Bob Williford

    I am going to say this one time…..do not generalize the SBC with your headline with the use of “SBC Churches” because you mention but one church which is not longer a SBC member. And you must also recognize this statement, “In 1999, First Baptist disassociated itself from the conservative Southern Baptist Convention, which has condemned homosexuality following the U.S. Supreme Court’s 5-4 decision in June to legalize same-sex marriage.”

    Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/news/local/article31859829.html#storylink=cpy

  • Bob Williford

    Apologies, for I posted before I had completed my thoughts, “First Baptist remains listed on the South Carolina Baptist Convention’s website as a participating church.

    The Baptist Courier in its report states that if First Baptist doesn’t withdraw from the state convention or if it maintains its marriage and ordination views, the next likely course of action would be a motion to remove the church from the convention at the SCBC’s annual meeting in November.”

    Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/news/local/article31859829.html#storylink=cpy

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  • Phil E

    FBC Greenville was dismissed from the Southern Baptist Conv as well as the SC baptist conv. Southern Baptist and SC Southern Baptists still hold to the Biblical view of marriage and sexual orientation.

  • Eleanor Whitmore

    SBC Constitution File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat

    (By way of example, churches which act to affirm, approve, or endorse homosexual behavior would be deemed not to be in cooperation with the Convention.) …www.sbc.net/PDF/SBC-CharterConstitutionByLaws.pdf

    The part of the Baptist Faith and Message regarding the Social Order, which includes homosexuality is in the section XV which includes scripture references.
    http://www.sbc.net/bfm2000/bfm2000.asp

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  • Chip Fields

    Umm, this church is part of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, which split off from the SBC almost a quarter century ago. According to their “Organizational Policy on Homosexual Behavior Related to Personnel and Funding”, CBF members believe “that the foundation of a Christian sexual ethic is faithfulness in marriage between a man and a woman and celibacy in singleness.” However, CBF policies are not binding on individual congregations which make their own decisions regarding any issue; neither can a congregation be excluded from the CBF for disagreeing with core values or policies.

  • Edwitness

    Gary,
    That was the best example of racism I have ever seen expressed. WOW!

  • kago

    i come in peace!! tell me brother in Christ, i am someone who has been saved by jesus and i see that He has mercy on me(can’t explain in words) i truly tell you that the wisdom you have is something i have never seen like. it’s been a year since i accepted Jesus as my saviour and life has changed. difficulties: i agree that the laws have been corrupted and lies have been stacked up by people’s in the originality of the bible and as i do go to Church often i feel something doesn’t connect with the word of God in what i hear from their preaching..(it’s pathetic on my side but this has lead me in confused state where do i get baptised in Jesus name?) i repent to your Lord, my Lord Jesus as best as i can and i try to do good as Jesus told us but yet i see that something is missing.. i dare not insult the name of the Highest exalted one nor do i wish to rattle in foolish talk in the counsel of Him the Holy one. you are well versed with the Bible. please tell me, what must i do? for Lord hears my prayers no wonder i ran into this web and i’ve witnessed your peircing words! please tell for the love of Jesus what it means to be truly born in Jesus Christ our Lord who is Him the God of Heaven and Earth. please help me, i come with no evil intention for i love the gospel if only i knew more for i lack wisdom but truly since the day i accepted Him(Jesus) i can truly say unto you i am no more my past..let God be the witness to this word that i have written to you. thank you

    • GENESIS777

      Are you asking me?

    • Edwitness

      Kago,
      What we have in the KJV is more accurate than any other book in existence Just see for yourself.
      the New Testament documents are better preserved and more numerous than any other ancient writings. Because they are so numerous, they can be cross checked for accuracy . . . and they are very consistent. There is more manuscript evidence for the existence and death and resurrection of Emmanuel than there is for the existence of Abraham Lincoln.
      There are presently 5,686 Greek manuscripts in existence today for the New Testament. If we were to compare the number of New Testament manuscripts to other ancient writings, we find that the New Testament manuscripts far outweigh the others in quantity.
      Author Date
Written Earliest Copy Approximate Time Span between original & copy Number of Copies Accuracy of Copies
Lucretius died 55 or 53 B.C. 1,100 yrs 2 —-
Pliny A.D. 61-113 A.D. 850 750 yrs 7 —-
Plato 427-347 B.C. A.D. 900 1,200 yrs 7 —-
Demosthenes 4th Cent. B.C. A.D. 1100 800 yrs 8 —-
Herodotus 480-425 B.C. A.D. 900 1,300 yrs 8 —-
Suetonius A.D. 75-160 A.D. 950 800 yrs 8 —-
Thucydides 460-400 B.C. A.D. 900 1,300 yrs 8 —-
Euripides 480-406 B.C. A.D. 1100 1,300 yrs 9 —-
Aristophanes 450-385 B.C. A.D. 900 1200 10 —-
Caesar 100-44 B.C. A.D. 900 1,000 10 —-
Livy 59 BC-AD 17 —- ??? 20 —-
Tacitus circa A.D. 100 A.D. 1100 1,000 yrs 20 —-
Aristotle 384-322 B.C. A.D. 1100 1,400 49 —-
Sophocles 496-406 B.C. A.D. 1000 1,400 yrs 193 —-
Homer (Iliad) 900 B.C. 400 B.C. 500 yrs 643 95%
New
Testament 1st Cent. A.D. (A.D. 50-100) 2nd Cent. A.D.
(c. A.D. 130 f.) less than 100 years 5600 99.5%
As you can see, there are thousands more New Testament Greek manuscripts than any other ancient writing. The internal consistency of the New Testament documents is about 99.5% textually pure. That is an amazing accuracy. In addition, there are over 19,000 copies in the Syriac, Latin, Coptic, and Aramaic languages. The total supporting New Testament manuscript base is over 24,000.
      Almost all Biblical scholars agree that the New Testament documents were all written before the close of the First Century. If Jesus was crucified in A.D. 30., then that means the entire New Testament was completed within 70 years. This is important because it means there were plenty of people around when the New Testament documents were penned–people who could have contested the writings. In other words, those who wrote the documents knew that if they were inaccurate, plenty of people would have pointed it out. But, we have absolutely no ancient documents contemporary with the First Century that contest the New Testament texts.
      Furthermore, another important aspect of this discussion is the fact that we have a fragment of the Gospel of John that dates back to around 29 years from the original writing (John Rylands Papyri A.D. 125). This is extremely close to the original writing date. This is simply unheard of in any other ancient writing, and it demonstrates that the Gospel of John is a First Century document.
      Below is a chart with some of the oldest extant New Testament manuscripts compared to when they were originally penned. Compare these time spans with the next closest, which is Homer’s Iliad, where the closest copy from the original is 500 years later. Undoubtedly, that period of time allows for more textual corruption in its transmission. How much less so for the New Testament documents?
      Important
Manuscript
Papyri Contents Date
Original Written MSS
Date Approx.
Time Span Location
p52
(John Rylands
Fragment)3 John 18:31-33, 37-38 circa
A.D. 96 circa
A.D.
125 29 yrs John Rylands Library, Manchester, England
P46
(Chester Beatty Papyrus) Rom. 5:17-6:3, 5-14, 8:15-25, 27-35, 10:1-11, 22, 24-33, 35, 16:1-23, 25-27, Heb., 1 & 2 Cor., Eph., Gal., Phil., Col., 1 Thess. 1:1, 9-10, 2:1-3, 5:5-9, 23-28 50’s-70’s circa
A.D.
200 Approx.
150 yrs Chester Beatty Museum, Dublin & Ann Arbor, Michigan, University of Michigan library
P66
(Bodmer Papyrus) John 1:1-6:11, 35-14:26, fragment of 14:29-21:9
70’s
      circa
A.D.
200 Approx.
130 yrs Cologne, Geneva
P67 Matt. 3:9, 15, 5:20-22, 25-28 circa
A.D.
200 Approx.
130 yrs Barcelona, Fundacion San Lucas Evangelista, P. Barc.1

      The question is a little more complicated in regard to the Old Testament, but it is important to point out the evidence brought to us by the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls. These scrolls began to be discovered in caves by the Dead Sea in 1947. They had been hidden by members of the Jewish Community at Qumran when their community was destroyed by the Romans during the Roman-Jewish War of AD 66-70. From the 40,000 inscribed fragments recovered, over 500 books have been identified. About 100 of these are copies of the 39 books of the Old Testament. Only Esther is not represented among them. Many of these writings pre-date the community. For example, a text of Exodus has been dated about 250 BC.
      Up to the time of this discovery the main text of the Hebrew Bible in use was that which was standardised by a group of Jews working in the eighth and ninth centuries who were known as Masoretes, from a Hebrew word meaning “tradition”. They assembled the best Hebrew texts of the Old Testament available at the time and sought to preserve their purity. They gave us what is known as the Masoretic text. However, because of the remarkable discoveries in the caves by the Dead Sea, we now have copies of the Old Testament books that are 1,000 years earlier! It is possible to compare these to see how the copying of the text over such a long period has affected it and to what extent changes have occurred.

      To give an example, it is possible to compare the text of one of the Dead Sea copies of Isaiah, which is dated about 100 BC, with that of the Masoretes of 1,000 years later, in order to see how faithfully scribes have preserved the text. For instance, if we take Isaiah 53, (the chapter that foretells the sufferings of Christ, and which is quoted at least 10 times in the New Testament in connection with those events), we find that the Qumran manuscript has 17 letters different from the Masoretic text. Ten of these letters are mere differences in spelling, similar to our spelling of “honor” or “honour”, and produce no change of meaning at all. Four more are very minor differences, such as the presence of a conjunction, which is often a matter of style. The other three letters are the Hebrew word “light,” added after “they shall see” in verse 11. Of the 166 words in this chapter, only this word is really in question, and it does not at all change the sense of the passage. This is typical of the whole manuscript. Thus we can see in what high regard the Jewish scribes held their sacred scriptures and with what care they copied them. On the basis of the Qumran Isaiah scroll, the Revised Standard Version of 1952 made only 13 minor changes to the whole of Isaiah.

      By comparing the standard Hebrew Old Testament text used today with that of the Dead Sea Scrolls, Gleason Archer, in A Survey of the Old Testament, found that they:

      …proved to be word for word identical…in more than 95% of the text. The 5% variation consisted chiefly of obvious slips of the pen and variations in spelling.
      Virtually identical! You can trust the Bible. Don’t let a fool talk you out of it.
      Blessings:-}

      • GENESIS777

        Have you never heard of a paragraph, What the hell do you call that run-on
        expose of crap?

        Go look up the description of Abrahams wife found in cave 7 at Qumran…

        As for the rest of your drivel, You are a complete biblical idiot, I have already
        proven every single thing you said was wrong…From born again to Paul being a jew..

        EVERYTHING~

        You are not worth any more of my time, You as Witness, HA!

  • kago

    @genesis777

  • Harvey Henkelmann

    If the practices of the church are contrary to the teachings of the Bible, then it is NOT a true church.

    Many so-called ‘Christians’ have forgotten this.

  • Mia

    Guess what else is an abomination to God? Christmas, easter, sun-god (sunday) worship day, pig eating. So please don’t be a hypocrite with your church’s idolatry while condemning the churches who ordain homosexuals. You too are an abomination to God too.

  • Wyeth

    Genesis777 is following/teaching a white supremacist “gospel” known as Christian Identity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

  • GENESIS777

    RE: Genesis777 is following/teaching a white supremacist “gospel” known as Christian Identity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

    Absolutely wrong…Half of all the white people in the world are NOT Gods children, so there goes
    your BS theory right out the window..

    The white race who are the Race of Adam as Adam can ONLY mean a white person are 10%
    of the global population, at least 5% of them are CREATIONS from genesis 1, made in the
    IMAGE of Gods sons who created them..

    When they die, they cease to exist,Just like the other 95% of the worlds population..

    Of course if you had any understanding of scripture you would know this, but we both know you do not..

    Does God care about the CREATED Adamites from Genesis 1, Not really, it tells you that in scripture,
    you would know these things if you ever read them…It takes about 100 hours to read the read the KJV
    from Cover to cover, Get started!

    I often teach Christian identity people because they WRONGLY think ALL white people are
    the children of God, and they are 100% wrong…Do you think Gods children are sitting in jail,
    sitting in strip clubs all night, doing drugs, robbing raping and stealing…There are LOTS of
    white people doing that, and they are NOT Gods children..

    Christ told you how to tell them apart, maybe some day you’ll get around to spending thousands
    of hours learning as I have done, doubtful, that takes commitment!

    This verse blows Christian Identity right out of the water…”Although they are correct that the Christians
    are Gods chosen people, just most people don’t know what a Christian REALLY IS!”

    2 Esdras 56:

    56 As for the other people, which also come of Adam, thou hast said
    that they are nothing, but be like unto spittle: and hast likened the abundance
    of them unto a drop that falleth from a vessel.

    57 And now, O Lord, behold, these heathen, which have ever been reputed as nothing, have begun to be lords over us, and to devour us.

    58 But we thy people, whom thou hast called thy firstborn, thy only begotten, and thy fervent lover, are given into their hands.

    59 If the world now be made for our sakes, why do we not possess an inheritance with the world? how long shall this endure?

    The Adamites in Genesis 1 are like SPIT! Harsh isn’t it, God doesn’t care about being politically correct, He made this world for his
    sons who where they come from are also Gods, they came out of God and are PURE100% made of God…We are inheriting this
    entire earth, it belongs to us, NOT to the created people…They will all be dealt with, you most likely are one of them or you would
    understand the bible, which you do not~

    Psalm 115:16
    The highest heaven belongs to the LORD, but he has given the earth to the descendants of Adam.

    Psalm 82:
    6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
    7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
    8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

    We are inheriting EVERYTHING on this earth, It is OURS!

    Luke 12:32
    Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

    Will you be left in the Kingdom or gathered and burned with the tares, That is the question
    you should ponder…

    MAN AND BEAST

    by Dr. Bertrand L. Comparet

    Several different Hebrew words have all been indiscriminately translated man or men in the King James Bible, although some very important differences of meaning show clearly on the face of these words. First, let us consider the word which denotes the white race. The Hebrew word Awdawm, called Adam in your Bible, is from the root word meaning, to be of a ruddy complexion, to show blood in the face, something obviously not applicable to negroes or mongolians, but only to the white race.

    When used to denote the first white man Adam, the Hebrew always says the Awdawm.

    When used of his descendants, the Hebrew just says Awdawm, the King James Bible translates it man.

    Another word used in contrast to Awdawm is Enosh, which is always used in a derogatory sense. Its root meaning is

    mortal and implies weakness, physically or morally, wretchedness. It is applied to non-Adamic races, which are of course all pre-agamic.

    Critical note by Clifton A. Emahiser:

    They [sic We] have violated Yahweh’s warning to have nothing to do with evil, pagan nations and the races who hate our Christ.”

    Truly, what Ecclesiasticus 12:5 says is appropriate: “Do well unto him that is lowly, but give not to the ungodly [races]: hold back thy bread, and give it not unto him, lest he overmaster thee thereby: for [else] thou shalt receive twice as much evil for all the good thou shalt have done unto him.”

    Inasmuch as all the nonwhite races are satanic in origin, what else should we expect from them?

    Everything which Yahweh created, He declared to be good, but many are unaware that Yahshua Christ Himself pointed out there exists bad racial kind.

    For that we will go to Matthew 13:47-50, and I will amplify it so there will be no misunderstanding of what He proclaimed:

    “47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea [of people], and gathered of every race: 48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good [racial kind] into vessels, but cast the bad [racial kind]49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them [the bad racial kind] into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” away.

    Comparet also made the comment: “It is the restoration of all that was lost in the fall of Adam. It is the restoration of our immortality as the sons and daughters of Yahweh. It is freedom from the crushing pressures of the satanic world order.”

    Restoration is spoken of at Joel 2:25-26: “25 And I will restore to you the years that the [bad-fig-jew] locust hath eaten, the [bad-fig-jew] cankerworm, and the [bad-fig-jew] caterpiller, and the [bad-fig-jew] palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you. 26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of Yahweh your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.” This restoration is the “latter rain” of verse 23!

    Romans 8:19
    For all creation is waiting eagerly for that future day when God will reveal who his children really are.

    Are you a CREATION or one of his CHILDREN….You better pray you are of the LATTER of the two!

    Now go study, you really don’t have a clue what you are talking about~

  • Wyeth

    You keep posting links to things that Bertrand Comparet taught who was a Christian Identity teacher and taught racism. Even the article you just posted is based on race. What is it called that you follow?

    I’m not sure why you are so angry and insist on insulting everyone.

    • Edwitness

      Wyeth,
      You are correct about G777. He is just a racist after all. The racism in Mormonism seemed to be what he was spouting. But he is just another Christian-identity hater.
      I was so hoping he actually understood some scripture. But, all he knows how to use it for is to hate with.

      Blessings:-}

    • GENESIS777

      What part of this do you not understand…

      Genesis 5:1
      This book is the race of Adam.

      1 peter 2:9
      For ye are a chosen race, a people belonging especially to God.

      Amos 3:2
      Of all the families upon the earth, only you have I
      known.

      Luke 3:38
      Father of Adam, God.

      Do you have some kind of severe mental issue that you can’t even comprehend those simple
      verses…Are you seriously that stupid? If you are and it appears you indeed are, Go away I don’t
      associate with complete idiots!

  • Bob Anderson

    Why doesn’t NowTheEndBegins read the article they post, if they would have read the “About” section on the 1st Baptist Churches website that newtheendbegins posted the link too, they would have read that 1st baptist church is not a member of the SBC but the CBF. Since the Southern Baptist Convention does not allow homosexual marriages or allow women pastors, I would like to know where Geoffrey Grider got his mis-information from.

  • PatriotGirl2010

    This Genesis person is wacked. He She has no idea who GOD is, Who Jesus is or the Holy spirit. Nor does he/she undersand the Salvation process. Feel very sorry for this person. JEsus Saves. In Romans he came for the Jews and the Gentiles. Read the bible.

    • GENESIS777

      You are 100% scripturally ignorant….
      Why don’t you tell me what Jesus name is..
      You aren’t a patriot, you’re an idiot!

  • Gary – no where in the Bible does it mention a “black Messiah” the apostles didn’t carry out a false church – read the King James Bible man – get saved for your sake. Our God doesn’t fail. Don’t kid yourself. Come on. We’re talking about the KING of kings. Don’t let the world take you prey.

  • david boles

    Don’t just stop at reading Romans ch. 1 about homosexuals, now everyone read Romans ch. 2. It’s all about you and the sins swept under the church carpet! God also hates divorce (Malachi 2:14-16) Jesus calls remarried divorcees adulterers (Mark 10:11,12) Adulterers sit right next to homosexuals in a list of sinners “who will have no share in the Kingdom of God. Do not be deceived.” (1 Corin. 6:9,10). When we all kneel before Jesus some day, I hope not to be among the hypocrites who ignored their own sins, opting instead to feel more “righteous” by standing in prideful, self-righteousness over a tiny percentage of the population called gays!

  • C. Jones

    This church is not a part of the Southern Baptist Convention. If you read their history on their Web Site they explain that they began ordaining women long ago and the SBC was against that. Eventually they disagreed with the SBC stance on women must submit to their husbands as written in the Bible and disassociated themselves from the SBC. So your headline for this article is not correct. You should consider changing it. I do not agree at all with their stance on homosexuality and do not consider LGBT people as my Christian brothers and sisters. They are Christ-rejecting sinners just like I was before I was born again. They need Jesus like the rest of us but should never be considered members of the body of Christ as long as they continue to willfully practice their sins.

    • David Boles

      How narrow of you C. Jones. “They need Jesus like the rest of us but should never be considered members of the body of Christ as long as they continue to willfully practice their sins.” The same should be said of remarried divorcees committing adultery (Jesus, Mark 10:11,12) What little you understand about human sexuality. Homosexuals cannot help feeling homosexual feelings any more than heterosexuals can help feeling heterosexual feelings. Sexuality is imbedded in the autonomic nervous system. Pupils dilate at the sight of sexually stimulating subjects, straight and gay! Homosexuals are and very well can be Christians the same way remarried divorcees living in the willful sin of adultery are and can be Christians. Being “good enough” is not a prerequisite for Salvation (Romans 3:20-24). If you would please, Google ” bigots are buggers ” (excerpts below) to read about homophobic men and why they act the way they do. Are you a repressed homosexual? You act like one. “Look at how much I hate homos. I can’t be repressing homosexual feelings!” Also, if fathers would be the male-gender identification role models for their sons that all boys crave and not deprive their sons this vital need starting in early boyhood instead of abandoning their sons in divorce, there would be fewer homosexuals in the world. Some dads are absent by other means, but the effect of that deprivation is still the same. Here’s an excerpt from Dr. James Dobson’s book, “Bringing Up Boys”:

      Mothers make boys.  Fathers make men.—Dr. James Dobson

      "Based on my work with adult homosexuals, I try to avoid the necessity of a long and sometimes painful therapy by encouraging parents, particularly the FATHERS, to affirm their sons' maleness.  Parental education, in this area and all others, can prevent a lifetime of unhappiness and a sense of alienation.  When boys begin to relate to their fathers, and begin to understand what is exciting, fun and energizing about their fathers, they will learn to accept their own masculinity.  They will find a sense of freedom, of power, by being different from their mothers, outgrowing them as they move into a man's world.  If parents encourage their sons in these ways, they will help them develop masculine identities and be well on their way to growing up straight.  In 15 years, I have spoken with hundreds of homosexual men.  I have never met one who said he had a loving, respectful relationship with his father." (Dr. Joseph Nicolosi Preventing Homosexuality, a Family Guide  chap.1. Used by permission in Bringing up Boys. Dr. James Dobson chap.9)

      I’ve discovered that many other Christian organizations adopt this developmental cause of homosexuality in their books and pamphlets besides Dr. James Dobson in ch. 9 of his book mentioned above. Read these also: RBC (Radio Bible Class) “When Passions Are Confused”; Christian resource organization Rose Publishing’s pamphlet, “Straight Talk”; Elizabeth Moberly’s book “Homosexuality, A New Christian Ethic.” I think if parental pride and Christian prejudices were set aside and new parents were educated with this research, the world would be a much better place. And if homophobes like yourself would just be honest about their homosexual urges, there would be less hatred against gays in the world.

      Google ” bigots are buggers ” for more on this report.

      “Pride covers a multitude of sins…. You can see what they’re trying to hide by the way they’re trying to hide it.”—Rebecca Wells, from the book and the movie Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood.

      These research results were published in the prestigious Journal of Abnormal Psychology, with the backing of the American Psychological Association. (Now who’s abnormal?!)

      “…anti-gay attitudes indicate fear and loathing of one’s own inner, suppressed homosexual desires.”

      “…new research confirms that most homophobes are self-loathing, repressed homosexuals.
      “… This finding lends scientific support to the long-standing speculation that those who shout the loudest against homosexuality have something to hide.”

      “Progressive schools of psychoanalysis have long theorised that homophobic prejudice involves the projection of fear and disgust concerning one’s own homosexuality onto others. Those who cannot accept their same-sex desires, so the theory goes, vent their self-loathing through attacks on other people’s homosexuality.

      “This homophobic defence mechanism is also often a bizarre form of over-compensation: maladjusted lesbians and gay men who feel guilty about their homosexuality become stridently anti-gay as a way of compensating emotionally for their guilt and shame.

      “In other cases, ostentatious homophobia is a deliberate psychological ploy to deflect suspicions and rumours of homosexuality. This ruse is based on the assumption that if someone is very obviously homophobic other people would be less inclined to believe they were gay….” [end]

      http://www.petertatchell.net/lgbt_rights/homophobia/bigots_are_buggers.htm

  • First Baptist of Greenville is not a Southern Baptist church anymore…It disassociated with the SBC in 1999, and became affiliated with the CBF (Cooperative Baptist Fellowship), and many other liberal baptist organizations.

    Please research the facts and deliver them in a truthful, Christ like manner. This hurts the integrity of the body of Christ..

  • David Boles

    buddy fox. The Muslim Allah and the biblical Yahweh are contradictory and cannot refer to the same being, for, they say, “how can the God of Muhammad be the Father of Jesus Christ?” The question before us, then, is whether the terms “Allah” and “Yahweh” are just two names for the same God, or are they referring to different Gods? (And since there can only be one true God, the ultimate question is, “if they are different, which one is the true God?”)

    Is Allah of Islam the same as Yahweh of Christianity?

    http://www.ciu.edu/content/allah-islam-same-yahweh-christianity 

  • David Boles

    Some years ago I had a similar dialog with bloggers on The Christian Post. I thought I was among fellow Christlike Christians. Was I wrong! The bloggers rose up in condemnation of me for trying to explain that as Christians we should be known for our love of one another, not one group over there standing in hateful, self-righteous condemnation of fellow sinners and myself over here, standing alone, trying to bring everyone together as equals in God’s sight as humble sinners in need of Christ’s Salvation. Paul tells us in Romans ch. 2:1-5 that we are all the same. “You are just as bad,” because in God’s sight, sin is sin, and no sin is better or less abominable than any other sin. So you see why I put “Christian” in quotes. Simply calling oneself by His name a TRUE Christian does not make. In parting, I want to leave this last thought from that eye-opening event with The Christian Post. Some of this may sound familiar to those who read my posts above:

    “When I first heard the term, ‘Defense of Marriage,’ I was so naive that I thought it was a campaign to end the destructive effects of divorce. I was so glad to hear one other arch-conservative clarify my misunderstanding: Cal Thomas, Los Angeles Times Syndicate, 5/20/04 … ‘Pro family” groups have given it their best shot, but this debate is over. They would do better to spend their energy and resources building up their side of the cultural divide and demonstrating how their own precepts are supposed to work.  Divorce remains a great threat to family stability, and there are far more heterosexuals divorcing and cohabiting than homosexuals wishing to ‘marry.’  If conservative religious people wish to exert maximum influence on culture, they will redirect their attention to repairing their own cracked foundation.  An improved heterosexual family structure will do more for those families and the greater good than attempts to halt the inevitable….’

    “As far as a person’s sexuality being changeable, I for one am very skeptical when someone declares he or she is ‘ex-gay’. Human sexuality resides in the autonomic nervous system.  Whatever your sexual attractions are, you cannot help feeling sexual-romantic feelings.  You just cannot consciously decide to switch from one sexuality to another willy-nilly.  As adolescence approaches, one begins to discover sexual attractions automatically, however ‘unnatural’ the feelings may be deemed by society or the individual. Clinical testing of the autonomic nervous system using pupilometers, computer imaging (pupils dilate and pleasure areas of the brain light up at the sight of sexually stimulating subjects) and plethysmographs that record arousal will betray the one who denies his true sexuality.

    “Just a few questions to ask anti-gay Christians: Do remarried divorcees have to be celibate in order to be saved or maintain their salvation? Why does Jesus call remarried divorcees adulterers? (Mark 10:11,12). Why do adulterers sit right next to homosexuals in 1Cor.6:9,10 in a list of sinners who ‘will have no share in the Kingdom of God?’ ‘Do not be deceived’ it says.  God hates divorce and has abandoned us. (Mal. 2:14-16 TLB) God, as the man Jesus Christ, said nothing about homosexuals or homosexuality, but He did rail against hypocrites, and Christendom is packed with them!  Does their fixation on homosexuality blind them from acknowledging their own sins? One need not be a Sigmund Freud to know the answer to that question!”

  • Tommy Harmon

    This church left the Southern Baptist Convention a number of years ago. Get your facts straight and correct before you run a story!

  • Tommy Harmon

    While this “church’s” actions are wrong, so are yours in calling this church a Southern Baptist Church when it is not. It was formerly a Southern Baptist Church, but came to disagree with Southern Baptist Biblical stands and withdrew from the Southern Baptist Convention. Any reputable reporting agency would have researched that, and would have included that in their article. Shame on you!

  • crimson

    Why is this surprising? The SBC is freemason FLUID. WHo owns the freemasons? I won’t say it or I’ll be censored!
    They have promoted every false Bable that has come down the pike. They love wescott & horts occultic texts! Why are people surprised?

  • David Boles

    Fred Berkland: “If the leaders of a Church know that members of their congregation are openly practicing major sins, they need to be dealt with in a manor prescribed in the Bible or God will take His Lampstand from that Church.” Well, this is just EVERYBODY then, is it not? I suggest letting God as the indwelling Holy Spirit do the correcting of each individual. Let church leaders ENCOURAGE others in this way. With God, ALL sins are major. PEOPLE make up the concept of “major” vs. “minor” sins.
    I asked the pastor of my Assembly of God church once what Jesus meant by calling remarried divorcees “adulterers” in Mark 10:11,12. He said, quite sternly, as if he didn’t want to talk about this, “Son, that’s one subject the church sweeps under the rug.” I then asked, “So, in a prayer to the congregation this morning one of your deacons asked for homosexuals to ‘come back to God.’ Don’t you sweep homosexuality under the rug too? Should remarried divorcees also ‘come back to God’?” Silence. No response. I left his office and soon left his church. This is an example of how so many so-called “Christians” just sweep THEIR OWN SINS under the church carpet while FIXATING on ONE sin in the Bible that they excuse themselves from. If you Google ” bigots are buggers ” you will understand more about this phenomenon. Please read more of my posts above. I don’t really like having to repeat myself so much all the time.
    “”Don’t you know that those doing such things have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves [Do not be deceived]. Those who live immoral lives, who are idol worshipers, adulterers or homosexuals-will have no share in his Kingdom. Neither will thieves or greedy people [our Republican Congress!], drunkards [WHAT?! ALCOHOLICS TOO? Why can’t we talk about “drunkards” in an article like this?], slanderers, or robbers.” (1 Co 6: 9, 10)
    Again, this pretty much covers EVERYONE doesn’t it, not just “homosexuals.” Notice that “adulterers” sit right next to “homosexuals.” That’s ALL REMARRIED DIVORCEES in the country too! I feel the same frustration as Paul in Romans 7:15-25. But all I have is this at the end of that exposé, “Thank God! It has been done by Jesus Christ our Lord. He has set me free.” Billy Graham declares that he is just a sinner saved by grace and says, as I noted above, “I’ll be a sinner till the day I die.” Why can’t more Christians say this? Well, here’s a clue to the answer to that, “Pride covers a multitude of sins…. You can see what they’re trying to hide by the way they’re trying to hide it.”—Rebecca Wells, from the book and the movie Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood. SELF-righteous PRIDE blinds too many from accepting their own sins.
    “As it is written, NONE IS RIGHTEOUS, just and truthful and upright and conscientious, NO, NOT ONE.” (Romans 3:10) “…in fact, ALL the world stand hushed and guilty before Almighty God.” (Rom. 3:19) This of course applies to only homosexuals, not heterosexuals, right?
    “I say it again—it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for A RICH MAN to enter the Kingdom of God!” [Does Jesus mean that rich people cannot go to Heaven?!] This remark confounded the disciples. “Then who in the world can be saved?” they asked. Jesus looked at them intently and said, “HUMANLY SPEAKING. NO ONE. But with God, everything is possible.” Matthew 19:24-26 (TLB) Those who depend on their own “righteousness” to save them will suffer eternal death. Period.
    Which is the worse sinner, the celibate homosexual, or the remarried divorcee willfully committing adultery? I implore self-righteous, so-called “Christians” who are so fixated on homosexuality (NOT a “lifestyle choice”! Read Dr. James Dobson’s explanation above) they cannot come to acknowledge themselves as equals in God’s sight with all fellow sinners. How anti-gay types fixate on Romans ch. 1 while slamming the Bible shut without continuing on to read Romans 2. “You are just as bad,” is starts out. Some people just need to get some counseling and make themselves read THE REST of the Bible!

  • david Boles

    Bill. “There is a difference! We call our sin ‘evil’. They call their sin ‘good’. There is a WOE to that.”
    Who is “We” and who is “They”? Antecedents please. I’m on God’s side. I call ALL sin evil just as He does. “While we were yet sinners, He saved us.” God hates divorce (Malachi 2:14-16) Jesus calls remarried divorcees adulterers (Mark 10:11,12). Eating lobster and shrimp is an abomination (Leviticus 11:9-12). There are over 600 sins in the Bible. ALL are evil according to God. I agree. Never forget, “As it is written, None is righteous, just and truthful and upright and conscientious, no, not one.”  (Romans 3:10) “…in fact, all the world stand hushed and guilty before Almighty God.” (Rom. 3:19) Now what do we do? Thanks be to God, Jesus Christ has set me free! So, what’s your point?

  • Zamboulie

    David Boles.
    So…are you saying the Homosexual has no need to repent? God will just keep on forgiving him?

  • david Boles

    Zamboulie to David Boles.
”So…are you saying the Homosexual has no need to repent? God will just keep on forgiving him?”
    This is exactly the question I continually ask certain anti-gay, so-called self-righteous “Christians.” They, thankfully not all, act like
    they are so much better and more “righteous” than gays! Where do you get your question for goodness sake?! We are all equal in God’s
    sight. Except, so many heterosexual “Christians” just sweep their own sins under the church carpet. Haven’t you read some of my
    accounts about this above? Read, I should say to you DARE to read, Romans ch. 2 “You are just as bad.” and “No wonder the world
    blasphemes the name of God because of you” (acting so righteous over fellow sinners). I notice not one person here has said, “David,
    you are right.” Such self-righteous hypocrisy! First of all, and I keep having to repeat myself, gays cannot help feeling homosexual
    feelings any more than straights can help feeling heterosexual feelings. Sexuality is embedded in the autonomic nervous system. So,
    must gays abstain from sexual, even more importantly, romantic activity, as a pre-condition to becoming saved? If your narrow minded
    answer is “yes,” then remarried divorcees living in the willful sin of adultery, a personal, conscious choice by the way, must abstain from sexual
    activity as a pre-condition to salvation. Unthinkable isn’t it?! Adultery, divorce, remarriage by divorcees, fornication, cohabiting unmarried, all
    are just swept under the rug by heterosexuals, all the while condemning gays, who had faulty father-son relationships growing up, is the great
    distraction by straights just to make themselves feel better about their own long list of repressed sins. When will this crazy mindset ever stop?!
    But “God will just keep on forgiving them.” Really?

  • david Boles

    Marc, I am so amazed that you still think I am trying to justify homosexuality. What is going on in your denying mind?! Just read my comment you posted below. What am I saying? “Therefore we are ALL Guilty of abomination. ‘As it is written None is righteous…no, not one.” I even capitalized “ALL”! How does that sound like I’m leaving myself out of this? You seem to be trying to explain that I am not right. I am not trying to justify homosexuality, or the homosexual ACT, more accurately. Where do you get that homosexuality is a “choice.” Did you miss where I say that, “Homosexuals cannot help feeling homosexual feelings anymore than heterosexuals can help feeling heterosexual feelings”? Human sexuality is a part of the autonomic nervous system. Look up “AUTONOMIC NERVOUS SYSTEM.” (Dang. Why do I have to keep explaining these things to people! PRIDE in their hearts. People are too prideful to admit to their own sins!) Pupils dilate at the sight of sexually exciting subjects. Arousal does the same. How could one keep that from happening if sexuality were “choice,” like “choosing” to raise your hand? That is an act of personal, conscious choice. One must choose not to act on sexual feelings, just as heterosexuals can personally, consciously choose not to act on their sinful heterosexual feelings. Can a straight man looking at a beautiful woman “choose” not to feel arousal? Can a straight man “choose” not to let his pupils dilate? You are just in denial of the facts and reality about human sexuality!
    “2. You have made the choice to act on your immoral thoughts.” But that excludes straights? NOT! I had asked above, but you seem to have missed that too, “Who is worse, the celibate homosexual or the remarried divorcee willfully living in the sin of adultery (or the cheating spouse for that matter!)?” Answer please! Yes, and 3. “Choices have consequences.” Over 50% of marriages end in divorce after seven years. That statistic continues on and on. You’re damn right choices have consequences! Divorce is a personal, conscious choice, can’t you see that? Feelings in a person’s sexual attractions is not a choice. Where do you get that sexual/romantic feelings are choice? You make it up! 4. “In the choice of homosexuality (a false god) the consequence is eternal death.” Adultery is not a “false god”? First of all—AGAIN—human sexuality is not CHOICE! Please find and read, above, Dr. James Dobson’s report on father-son relationships. A boy needs to identify with his father, not his mother. Shall we talk about deadbeat dads who abandon their sons to be reared by their mothers, depriving the boy of the male-gender identification process all boys crave? Identifying with their dads is how boys grow up straight. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? But you are not alone in this denial. It’s far too common, especially among such anti-gay types as yourself. See how you are the one who is in denial of your own sins by magnifying the sins of homosexuals? “At least I’m not that bad!” What are you hiding about yourself in your past or personality you cannot accept? Google ” bigots are buggers ” I admonished everyone to read that too, but I guess it just got skipped over. “…ostentatious homophobia is a deliberate psychological ploy to deflect suspicions and rumours of homosexuality. This ruse is based on the assumption that if someone is very obviously homophobic other people would be less inclined to believe they were gay….” You need to check the pride that blinds you! “Pride covers a multitude of sins…. You can see what they’re trying to hide by the way they’re trying to hide it.”—Rebecca Wells, from the book and the movie Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood. 5. “All of this is found in Romans chapter 1.” Don’t stop at ch. 1 dude! READ ON TO CH. 2! “You are just as bad!” And people like you drive non-believers AWAY from God’s free gift of Salvation. “You say it is wrong to commit adultery, but do you commit adultery? No wonder the Scriptures say, ‘The Gentiles blaspheme the name of God because of you.’” See there? And you accuse ME of “pointing out other people’s faults.” Scripture is full of the sins of the heterosexuals. In fact, “There are six admonishments to homosexuals in the Bible. There are three hundred sixty-two to heterosexuals…..” The comedian George Carlin even used this juicy bit of information in one of his routines. So, what’s all the fuss about gays then?!  “Now do you see it? [well, of course YOU don’t see it. Your prideful self-righteousness has blinded you] No one can ever be made right in God’s sight by doing what the law commands. For the more we know of God’s laws, the clearer it becomes that we aren’t obeying them; his laws serve only to make us see that we are sinners.” Romans 3:20 TLB. I agree with this. I for one know I am a sinner. Does the law have that same effect on you? “Thanks be to God, Jesus Christ has set me free.” I soooo identify with Paul here in Romans 7:15-25. Do you? Again, I get the feeling you have exempted yourself. 6. “If you can find justification by pointing out other people’s faults, then you don’t know what justification is.” Where do you get that this is what I’m doing? Please explain. My justification is in Christ ALONE. I say this all the time! And—AGAIN—I ask, where do you get that I’m “pointing out other people’s faults”? It’s Scripture that is doing that! I include myself among ALL fellow sinners in need of Christ’s Salvation. 7. “There is no homosexuality for the person who has truly REPENTED.” So, if an adultery-committing heterosexual truly REPENTS, will his or her sexual/romantic feelings for the opposite sex (other than his or her spouse) suddenly come into a state of “no heterosexuality”? Those autonomic sexual/romantic feelings never go away! And human sexuality is not a condition one can switch on or off like a light switch. Your “logic” is just down right screwy dude! 8. “So it is obvious by your constant defense for homosexuality you still need to repent.” Where do you get the false notion that I am defending homosexuality? Explanation please. AGAIN I say, I consider myself EQUAL in God’s sight with all fellow sinners. But I get the feeling you do not do this for yourself. Did you read the true story about the Assembly of God pastor who told me that Jesus calling remarried divorcees adulterers is “one subject the church sweeps under the rug?” You seem to be in defense of remarried divorcees being adulterers. Is this true? Do you have the same outrage against remarried divorcees as you do for homosexuals? I don’t think so! Are YOU in constant defense of heterosexual sins? 9. “So repent. Stop following the false god of the phalus and turn to Christ.” Dang. Get your mind out of the gutter man! Why do I have to keep reminding people like you that I have been a Christian since my mother told me who Jesus is when I was three years old?! I should ask you to repent of the sins you seem to be sweeping under the rug! Accept your sins. Repent of them and stop standing in prideful self-righteous condemnation of gays. Try to include yourself among all your fellow sinners too for that matter. Since I was three Jesus has been the “Dad I never had.” My hostile and rejecting earthly father prevented my male-gender identification process with him. I have volumes of developmental research by many Christians and Christian organizations that report the vital importance of the early father-son relationship. Homosexual feelings become sexualized if this process continues on into adolescence. Homosexual feelings are a male-gender identification DEFICIT, not a “choice.” So, it is now clear that you are avoiding your own equality with all fellow sinners, yes, even with gays. “You are just as bad.” Romans 2:1 Your prideful self-righteousness has prevented you from seeing that this is right.

    Marc, please Google ” abominations in the bible ” There are 67 of them, not just one! In fact one article declares that ALL sin is an abomination to God. Therefore we are ALL guilty of abomination. “As it is written, None is righteous, just and truthful and upright and conscientious, no, not one.” (Romans […]

    David Boles,
    The reason no Christians here have said you are right is because you are not right. You can’t justify your sins by pointing out someone else’s.
    1. Homosexuality is a choice.
    2. You have made the choice to act on your immoral thoughts.
    3. Choices have consequences.
    4. In the choice of homosexuality (a false god) the consequence is eternal death.
    5. All of this is found in Romans chapter 1.
    6. If you can find justification by pointing out other people’s faults, then you don’t know what justification is.
    7. There is no homosexuality for the person who has truly REPENTED.
    8. So it is obvious by your constant defense for homosexuality you still need to repent.
    9. So repent. Stop following the false god of the phalus and turn to Christ.

    • Larry / vietnamvet1971

      I read this blog and follow along with the conversations and really I for one am tired of your Homosexual /Sodomite Stuff you are trying to Stuff down Believers throats on this blog and it looks like to me if you post LONG & LOTS of verses comments to support your self that then we will come around to your Version of the Word of GOD. Good advice is quit wasting your time trying to convert us you the gospel of satan you seem to like and spread.

      I await your LONG rebuttal to justify YOURSELF cause you have to OBEY……….

  • david Boles

    Larry / vietnamvet1971 “… I for one am tired of your Homosexual /Sodomite Stuff you are trying to Stuff down Believers throats.” Please give examples to support your statement. On the contrary, I am including myself among ALL fellow sinners. Therefore, how do you think I’m trying to stuff anything down anyone’s throats? I am so dismayed at the SELF-righteousness I perceive in the replies by you and others. Are you projecting? So many anti-gay types do this: “Psychological projection, also known as blame shifting, is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unpleasant impulses by denying their existence while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.” It’s a common ploy. Please read those excerpts again above called “bigots are buggers.” I just cannot understand why so many anti-gay types have to misconstrue my words. The only explanation is that they are not willing or able to accept the possibility that they are repressing their OWN homosexual urges. Pride has a grip on them. And I am NOT trying to “justify” homosexual feelings. Why does everyone keep saying that? Explanation please! And what do you mean by “your version of the Word of GOD.” when I quote VERBATIM the Scriptures? Please show me. I continually admonish others to please read THE REST of the Bible. It’s very disturbing to notice how too many so-called “Christians” just pick and choose only the parts that elevate their own sense of “righteousness,” while magnifying the Scriptures that condemn others they themselves may very well be guilty of by conveniently sweeping them under the rug. I sweep nothing under the rug. I take all, ALL, my sins, yes, even when I commit the abomination of eating shrimp, to the cross of Christ IN HUMILITY! This is good advice for any believer. We can try to “OBEY,” but obedience to the Law requires absolute perfection. Such futility! I can only accept God’s free gift of Salvation by my FAITH IN CHRIST ALONE offered to everyone. EVERYONE! Why is that so difficult for some people to understand? Humans have absolutely NO PART in their OWN Salvation. Pride of one’s OWN “righteousness” is the sin of Satan.

    • Larry / vietnamvet1971

      You are true to form YOUR long rebuttal was expected, BUT I did not read it so quit wasting your time & effort to think I would read YOUR SELF serving stuff about ALL sinners. At least you realize being a Sodomite is being a Sinner.

      Genesis 13:13 GOD has already told you how HE feels about Homosexuals and GOD has NOT changed His MIND about that IMMORAL SEXUAL PERVERTED SIN.

      13: But the men of Sodom were WICKED & SINNERS before the LORD, EXCEEDINGLY!

      And this was before Lot even went into Sodom.

      • david Boles

        Larry, I READ EVERYTHING posted here because I’m on the side of God with the truth! What does that tell you about me? Your NOT reading the Scriptures I post tells me everything I need to know about you. You are just too proud to admit that the Bible is right about you. You just cannot accept that you are a common sinner among all other sinners in the world and you spin your wheels wasting your energy trying to deny that Biblical fact. Do you REALLY think that homosexual acts are the ONLY “IMMORAL SEXUAL PERVERTED SIN”? You WANT to think that don’t you? But, “Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but FORNICATORS and ADULTERERS GOD WILL JUDGE.” (
Hebrews 13:3-5) Let’s have a discussion about the countless millions of unwanted pregnancies caused by the reckless, recreational sex by heterosexuals—and teens are the worst!—that result in millions of deaths of helpless unborn babies in abortion clinics. Is THIS a homosexual phenomenon? Those unwanted accidental pregnancies that make it to full term birth are more often than not shoved into orphanages, foster homes, if they are lucky, or reared by single moms, the boys being deprived of their father-son, male-gender identification process leading them to adolescence as homosexuals starving for that “need that went unmet” [a relationship with their Dads] so homophobes like you can elevate their own outward show of “righteousness” in your condemnation of them for something they had nothing to do with. But people like you need that ego boost don’t they? Keep telling yourself, as you do, that homosexual acts are the ONLY sin, the fact that GOD HATES DIVORCE and the other heterosexual sins mentioned in the Bible notwithstanding. I hope and pray that this homophobic attitude will dissipate some day and ALL will come to Christ in humility admitting their own sins. God wants your humble repentance, not your PRIDE, the SIN of Satan!
        What a shame your pridefulness won’t let you read, understand and maybe even change your attitude! I have volumes of sound information about the cause of the homosexual condition by Christians and Christian organizations that, sadly, just get ignored. The tragedy is that young fathers with toddler boys of their own do not get to be educated with this information. Here’s an excerpt by Mike Haley of Focus on the Family: “Peer attachments with same-sex friends also play a role in developing gender identity. Eventually, after years of interaction and bonding with same-sex peers, children enter puberty and begin to pay attention to the opposite sex. When this natural process is disrupted, it feels very natural for a child to love and crave the attention of the same-sex. When children with certain temperaments initially perceive REJECTION OF THE SAME-SEX PARENT, they detach [‘defensive detachment’] and bond with the other parent. They begin to adopt the patterns and attributes of the opposite sex. However, there is always a longing for A CONNECTION WITH THE SAME-SEX PARENT, love and affirmation from the same gender. These children believe that they were BORN THAT WAY, having craved the love and attachment with the same-sex parents for as long as they can remember [beginning in toddlerhood]. It begins as an emotional craving, not a sexual craving. It reflects a legitimate need for non-sexual love, an emotional need that ultimately becomes sexualized as they enter puberty….”

        • Larry / vietnamvet1971

          What did you say, I did not read or hear a word, so please try to convert some one else IF you can.

          • David Boles

            Well, just as I suspected Larry. No wonder so many non-believers do not want to become Christians. I can see the futility of trying to bring the truth to such closed-minded people as so-called “Christians” who are, one would think, supposed to LOVE the truth. Too many people go to church with another agenda—to elevate their own outward show of “righteousness”— and will not accept anything that shows them they are just another sinner like everyone else, even if it is directly out of the Bible. If it disagrees with their narrow minds, then, fingers in ears, eyes closed, “La la la la la!” I’m sure glad I’m not like that! I accept my lowly condition and this drives me toward MY OINLY HOPE, CHRIST, Who freely takes away ALL my sins, because I lay them at the foot of His cross, instead of sweeping them under the church carpet where they are ignored and hidden from the view of others. That method simply is not going to work toward your salvation.

  • David Boles

    Marc. I was just thinking. If homophobes are really *repressed homosexuals who fight against their homosexual urges, why would they “choose” to have these homosexual feelings in the first place? Also, instead of repressing these feelings, why don’t they just “UNCHOOSE” them, instead of continually repressing them and becoming such hateful, anti-gay assholes? I mentioned that no one here has ever told me, “David, you are right.” Then you emphatically tell me, “The reason no Christians here have said you are right is because you are not right.” Please explain why I am not right about this thought concerning homophobes. Choice? I don’t think so!
    * “…new research confirms that most homophobes are self-loathing, repressed homosexuals…. This finding lends scientific support to the long-standing speculation that those who shout the loudest against homosexuality have something to hide.”

    I have another question to ask you, one I asked before but never got an answer to, but please try to answer this one first.

  • david Boles

    Edwitness commented on Southern Baptist Churches Start To Ordain Homosexuals And Perform Same-Sex Marriage Rituals.

    in response to david boles:

    Marc, please Google ” abominations in the bible ” There are 67 of them, not just one! In fact one article declares that ALL sin is an abomination to God. Therefore we are ALL guilty of abomination. “As it is written, None is righteous, just and truthful and upright and conscientious, no, not one.” (Romans […]

    David Boles,
    You can try to blame your choices on some psychobabel nonsense if you want to. But, like I told you before, it is God who said it is a choice that you make when you decide to be homosexual. God said it, not me. I am just agreeing with Him.
    I will give you the scripture again in which God says it is a choice.
    Romans 1:21-32 Especially vs.21.
    The choice was to worship the created thing rather than the Creator. That means you are first an idolater, then you become immoral, ie your homosexuality.
    In the case of the homosexual the idol and the immoral behavior go hand in glove. Therefore you identify yourself as homosexual.
    But, a Christian would identify themselves as a Christian, without even thinking to give reference to their sexuality. Because being a Christian (follower of Christ) and being heterosexual go hand in glove.
    The Christian’s identity is wrapped up in Jesus because He is our God.
    Your identity is wrapped up in your sexuality because that is your god.
    The phalus is representative from ancient times of your particular idol so I refer to it in describing your identity. And that symbolism is extremely repugnant to Jehovah.
    As it should be to any follower of Christ.

    Edwiness, sorry, I can’t always find your replies here. I have to copy and paste them from my e-mail. Now, you say, “You can try to blame your choices on some psychobabel [sic] nonsense if you want to.” Why don’t you tell the Christian developmental psychologists, Dr. James Dobson among them, they say nonsense about the CAUSE of homosexuality? Yes, human sexuality, unlike animals, has a complex CAUSE! Do you still think human sexuality, even yours, whatever it is, (you still sound like a homophobe repressing your own homosexual urges!) is CHOICE? God did not say one’s sexual/romantic FEELINGS are a choice. The CHOICE is to ACT upon those feelings. Ironically, heterosexuals CHOOSE to divorce. “La la la la la!” Don’t want to hear that do you? I see you haven’t answered my question about homophobes, “If homophobes are really *repressed homosexuals who fight against their homosexual urges, why would they “choose” to have these homosexual feelings in the first place? Also, instead of repressing these feelings, why don’t they just “UNCHOOSE” them, instead of continually repressing them and becoming such hateful, anti-gay assholes?” This is an honest and logical question. Please answer it. Human sexuality is not a “clap on clap off” condition!
    I also see you haven’t read Romans ch. 2 which starts out “…You are just as bad.” The whole chapter is a rebuke to prideful, self-righteous HYPOCRITES. Do you believe the word of God Paul is writing here? Obviously not. You just pick and choose. Typical hypocrite. You just cannot humble down to admit you are equal in God’s sight to all your fellow sinners. I suggest you exchange your hubris for the humility God requires of us all as a condition to Salvation. Yes, there is a condition. There will be no PRIDE in Heaven. If you continue to be so PROUD of your “righteousness,” you will not be welcomed into Heaven!
    So, do you believe you chose your sexuality? How does that work? Again I ask, how could a homophobe “unchoose” his repressed homosexual urges? Your pridefulness prevents you from acknowledging that sexualities are beyond the reach of ANYONE’S “choice” to choose or unchoose those FEELINGS. Why do I have to keep reminding you that God hates divorce—and that is the BIG issue, not dad-deprived homosexuals—yet divorce runs rampant, and with “wink wink” impunity! Remarried divorcees are adulterers. The words of Jesus Himself! Adulterers sit right next to homosexuals in 1 Cor. 6:9,10. But you are too prideful to acknowledge heterosexual sins which comprise the VAST majority of sins, sadly. too often just swept under the church carpet. Only 2-3% of the population are gay. So, the remaining 97% of heterosexuals are without sin? This is the impression you project. Please answer my questions.
    Ha! You “call” me an idolater, yet I see how defensive you get about the Biblical standard that we are ALL EQUAL in God’s sight as sinners. Dang man! This really ruffles your feathers doesn’t it?! Stop worshiping your own SELF-righteousness—talk about idolotry!—before you find yourself kneeling before Christ Himself trying to explain your pridefulness. I will be there too, but I will be among the humble sinners who IS able to acknowledge my equality with ALL my fellow sinners. And I will sing His praises, “Thanks be to God, Jesus Christ has set me free!” Humans have NO PART in their OWN Salvation! Turns out I’m celibate, but if I weren’t, would I be just as saved as the unrepentant remarried divorcees continuing in their sin of adultery as they sweep their sexual activity under the church carpet? Please answer my questions.
    “Your identity is wrapped up in your sexuality because that is your god. The phalus [sic] (again!!!! Learn to spell phallus!!) is representative from ancient times of your particular idol so I refer to it in describing your identity. And that symbolism is extremely repugnant to Jehovah.” Oh, so off base you are on this one! You have no idea what’s really in my heart. ONLY GOD can read my heart! My identity is with Christ. Always has been. He became “The Dad I never had” when I was three years old! Your mind is as full of fantasy stories as a Grimm’s Fairy Tale book! I can see you just do NOT read my posts! You just make it up as your silly, shallow mind goes along don’t you? Tell this phallus crap to heterosexual women sometime. What about heterosexual female prostitutes?! Oh, I forgot. Doing that would not “deflect suspicions that you are repressing homosexual urges.” BELIEVE THE CHRISTIAN PSYCHOLOGISTS! Even Pat Robertson had a program on the importance of the father-son relationship a boy needs to grow up straight. It’s a very long transcription. Maybe I’ll post excerpts later.
    “…to any follower of Christ.” When you say “Christ” I hope you mean the historical, orthodox, Bible-based definition of Christ. I’m a consummate apologist. There are about five tenets of historical, orthodox, Biblical Christianity. The cults, such as Watchtower and LDS, use the same names and terms as historical, orthodox, Biblical Christianity, but they CHANGE THE DEFINITIONS. Very deceiving! I have found that even some so-called “Christians” do the same thing. “Jesus was a great master.” Yeah, true, but He was MUCH MORE! He was and eternally is God Himself manifest in the flesh, without beginning, without end, Creator of all things, Second Person of the Holy Trinity (I’m basically Lutheran, Presbyterian and Methodist by the way. I used to memorize Bible verses as a boy growing up to win model airplane kits. I never stopped!). Besides sounding like a typical repressed homophobe, you also sometimes sound cultic. “As it is written, None is righteous, just and truthful and upright and conscientious, no, not one.” (Romans 3:10) “…in fact, all the world stand hushed and guilty before Almighty God.” (Rom. 3:19) Let me hear a big AMEN from you! But you have trouble with verses like this don’t you? You still stumble over Romans 2:1 don’t you? “You are just as bad.” The members of cult churches I debate get all riled up at the orthodox, Biblical verses I show them. Their admission that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God notwithstanding. I show them a list of verses proving that God became the Man, Jesus Christ. They emphatically deny Christ’s Deity. I just told one Mormon, “Dang, you sound like another “under-the-rug-verse-sweeper I know who names himself Edwitness!” I read the REST of the Bible, not just those parts that elevate my sense of “righteousness” by magnifying the sins of the six verses about homosexuals and homosexuality (Your obsession with that is very revealing).
    I often tell people “I don’t trust homophobes. They cannot be honest about their repressed homosexual urges, so how can they be honest with others?” Then I quote Shakespeare, “This above all: to thine own self be true, And it must follow, as the night the day, Thou canst not then be false to any man.” When I see you saying, “David, you are right. We must all, including myself, acknowledge our equality with fellow sinners, even with gays who had no part in their turning out gay,” I will respect you. And you had better get on the ball with this change in your heart before Jesus comes back! We are close to the Rapture! World economy failing. Wars and rumors of wars, especially in Israel’s neighborhood. When we see the destruction of Damascus, the Isaiah 17:1 prophecy, then, “Fasten your seat belt! It’s going to be a bumpy ride.” Yes, I’m an accomplished eschatologist too.

  • david Boles

    Edwitness
    I see you are still hung up on other people’s sins while your prideful, SELF-righteous, injured ego sweeps YOUR sins under the church carpet. You really need some therapy. Let Jesus lift the burden of guilt over your repressed homosexual urges. “Progressive schools of psychoanalysis have long theorised that homophobic prejudice involves the PROJECTION of fear and DISGUST concerning one’s OWN HOMOSEXUALITY onto others. Those who cannot accept their same-sex desires, so the theory goes, vent their self-loathing through ATTACKS on OTHER people’s homosexuality.” I don’t think I have ever encountered such a classic case of PROJECTION.
    Who is YOUR God dude?! My God is the one who paid the price for all my sins, ALL my sins! He is the God Who became flesh and died His bloody death on the Cross so I could be free from trying—AND FAILING—to make MYSELF acceptable before Him. I worship the God of the Bible who “FREELY takes away my sins.” Now where is the boasting? There is none. Apparently YOUR God still requires you to work hard at being “good enough” to be saved. My God is Jesus, God in the flesh, and even though one may still feel homosexual urges [or straight men feeling lust in their hearts for women], He has COVERED that sin. Let Him do that for you! You don’t need theology, you need THERAPY! You don’t need a CHURCH CARPTE under which to sweep your self-loathing sins, you need THE CROSS OF CHRIST AND COUNSELING! Let’s consider the over 600 sins in the Bible and put ANY ONE of them at the end of your silly little command for what YOUR God demands. “If your God is the Biblical God, Jesus, then you can not be—a remarried divorcee continuing in the sin of adultery.” “If your God is the Biblical God, Jesus, then you can not be—a fornicator committing sexual acts outside the institution of marriage.” “If your God is the Biblical God, Jesus, then you can not be—a deadbeat dad who has abandoned his son(s) to be denied the male-gender identification his son needs to grow up to be a self-confident male heterosexual adult man.” “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.” (1Ti 5:8 KJV) “If your God is the Biblical God, Jesus, then you can not be—an abomination in Proverbs 6:16 – 19, “…and he that soweth discord among brethren.” Dang man! You are so full of hate, which is just your own self-loathing projected onto other gays. You need to stand in front of a full-length mirror every time you spew your venom. Just look at yourself acting like a non-Christian! Are you going to be this angry about other people’s sins when you stand (kneel) before Christ some day soon trying to explain you “Hate for one another”? I can hear MY Jesus asking you, “And just what kind of ‘Christian’ were you trying to be? I will tell you this. Not one who calls himself after MY Name!” “No wonder the Scriptures say, ‘The Gentiles blaspheme the name of God because of [ HATEFUL, SELF-RIGHTEOUS BIGOTS LIKE ] you.’” (Romans 2:24).
    My goodness, just look at how self-BLINDED you are! You even quoted Scripture that includes YOURSELF, but you continue to skip right past your OWN guilt! “As it is written, NONE is righteous, just and truthful and upright and conscientious, NO. NOT ONE.” (Romans […]” You even conveniently left out the chapter and verse. That’s Romans 3:10. If I were your grade school teacher, I would have you write this 500 times. But what a waste of time that would be. You have a stubborn stone wall called your PRIDEFUL EGO that will NOT let you see the Biblical TRUTH that includes YOURSELF among all other fellow sinners. Better snap out of it—and soon!—before you are kneeling at Christ’s feet trying to explain your hatefulness!

    Edwitness to David Boles,
    To put it simply, the passage in Romans is saying that your daily choices are the byproduct of your ultimate choice which is;

    WHO IS YOUR GOD?
    If your God is the Biblical God, Jesus, then you can not be homosexual.
    1stJohn 3:6,8,9.

  • Larry / vietnamvet1971

    Edwitness to David Boles,
    To put it simply, the passage in Romans is saying that your daily choices are the byproduct of your ultimate choice which is;

    WHO IS YOUR GOD?
    If your God is the Biblical God, Jesus, then you can not be homosexual.
    1stJohn 3:6,8,9.

    @ Edwitness, I will give you a Big Amen on that.

    • DAVID Boles

      Larry / vietnamvet1971 PLEEEEEASE, ANSWER MY QUESTIONS! You won’t because, simply put, you have something to hide. The premise that ANYone’s sexuality is “CHOICE” is so ignorant! I like to spell that “IGNORE-ANT”! Why does everyone here keep saying that homosexuals CHOOSE their sexual/romantic orientation?! If you would get out of your stubborn mindset and just answer this simple question you will understand! When did YOU choose YOUR sexual orientation, whatever it is (you act like a homophobe repressing your OWN homosexual urges!)? Sexuality is a same-sex parent, gender IDENTIFICATION PROCESS during the formative years. “When boys begin to relate to their fathers, they will learn to accept their own masculinity… by being different from their mothers, outgrowing them as they move into a man’s world. If parents encourage their sons in these ways, they will help them DEVELOP MASCULINE IDENTITIES and be well on their way to growing up straight. In 15 years, I have spoken with hundreds of homosexual men. I have never met one who said he had a loving, respectful relationship with his father.”—ch. 9 in Dr. James Dobson’s book, Bringing Up Boys.
      Q: “If homophobes are really *repressed homosexuals who fight against their own homosexual urges, why would they ‘choose’ to have these homosexual feelings in the first place? Also, instead of repressing these feelings, why don’t they just ‘unchoose’ them, instead of continually repressing them and becoming such hateful, anti-gay assholes?” I mentioned that no one here has ever told me, “David, you are right.” And then you emphatically tell me, “The reason no Christians here have said you are right is because you are not right.” Please explain why I am not right about this thought concerning homophobes. Choice? I don’t think so!
      “…new research confirms that most homophobes are self-loathing, repressed homosexuals…. This finding lends scientific support to the long-standing speculation that those who shout the loudest against homosexuality have something to hide.” Can you give ME a “Big Amen on that”? No. Of course you can’t. Your PRIDE won’t let you. And you think that your PRIDEFUL HEART will let you enter Heaven!
      NOW, PLEASE continue reading on after you slam the Bible shut to Romans chapter 2! “’Well,’ you may be saying, ‘what terrible people you have been talking about!’ But wait a minute! YOU ARE JUST AS BAD. When you say they are wicked and should be punished, you are talking about yourselves, for you do these very same things….” READ THIS WHOLE CHAPTER! We are all EQUAL as SINNERS in God’s sight. Sin is sin. Your committing the abomination of eating shrimp and lobster is JUST AS BAD, alas, but not in the sight of PRIDEFUL SELF-RIGHTEOUS humans. God’s whole plan of Salvation is to eliminate PRIDE IN OUR HEARTS. If you are too PROUD to admit that you are EQUAL in God’s sight to ALL FELLOW SINNERS, you will NOT be allowed to enter Heaven. Get a grip on yourself! So, the next time you miss the Sabbath Day, sunset Friday to sunset Saturday, forgetting to keep it Holy, (read the fourth commandment!), read 1 John 3-6,8,9. Do YOU think YOU are no longer a sinner? Scripture continually reminds us that we are only *DECLARED not guilty, yet we are STILL guilty. Imagine asking the Rev. Billy Graham if HE is no longer a sinner. The passage is saying that when we are saved, God no longer sees our sins. He’s looking at us through the rose-tinted glasses stained by Christ’s blood. Can I get a Big Amen to that?! Not from a hypocrite like you! Dr. Graham is on record as saying, “I am just a sinner saved by grace. I will be a sinner until the day I die. I will not be perfect until I get to Heaven.” Tell him what you tell gays all the time. “As it is written, NONE is righteous, just and truthful and upright and conscientious, NO, NOT ONE.” (Oh, I forgot, except repressed homophobes like you desperately trying to hide your homosexual urges)** (Romans 3:10) “…in fact, all the world stand hushed and guilty before Almighty God.” (Rom. 3:19) Oh, I forgot, except repressed homophobes like you.

      *”King David spoke of this, describing the happiness of an undeserving sinner who is DECLARED ‘not guilty’ by God. ‘Blessed, and to be envied,’ he said, ‘are those whose sins are no longer counted against him by the Lord.’ ” (Rom. 4: 6-8)

      **”In other cases, OSTENTATIOUS HOMOPHOBIA is A DELIBERATE PSYCHOLOGICAL PLOY to deflect suspicions and rumours of homosexuality. This RUSE is based on the assumption that if someone is very obviously homophobic other people would be less inclined to believe they were gay….” Google ” bigots are buggers ”
      These research results were published in the prestigious Journal of Abnormal Psychology, with the backing of the American Psychological Association. (Now who’s abnormal?!) “Pride covers a multitude of sins…. You can see what they’re trying to hide by the way they’re trying to hide it.”—Rebecca Wells, from the book and the movie Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood.

      • Larry / vietnamvet1971

        you seem to be an educated person (book) knowledge BUT not of the Book (Bible)knowledge even though your rebuttals are LOOONNGGG and boring.At least you have yourself convinced you can be a Sodomite / homosexual and still enter into GODS Kingdom. You think if you throw enough verses around that it will justify your SIN.

        Why did JESUS tell every one HE met and confronted them about their SIN and they came to their Senses and realized HE was RIGHT and they were WRONG and HE warned / told them to go & SIN NO MORE.

        I am sure you will find a bible verse or two to justify your SIN.

        7 “He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.
        8 “But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and IMMORAL PERSONS and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

        9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor EFFEMINATE, nor HOMOSEXUALS,
        10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
        11 Such were some of YOU; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

        19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality (SEXUAL MISCONDUCT), impurity, sensuality,(SEXUAL PLEASURES)
        20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
        21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who PRACTICE
        such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

        13 Now the men of Sodom were wicked exceedingly and sinners against the LORD.

        You have proven you are GUILTY by your trying to explain AWAY that being a Sodomite is not a choice, you are Correct SATAN has made the CHOICE for you.

  • david Boles

    Ha! LARRY! I was right! You DO read 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 like this! Remember my question earlier? Of course you don’t. Your SELF-righteous and PRIDEFUL mind has prevented you. By the way, you even confessed that you do not read my LOOOOOOOONG (and FACTUAL) posts. HELLO! You don’t like the FACTS about YOU do you? Here it is again: Read 1 Co 6: 9, 10 like this,
    “Don’tyouknowthatthosedoingsuchthingshavenoshareintheKingdomofGodDonotbedeceivedThosewholiveimmoralliveswhoareidolworshipersadulterersor HOMOSEXUALS -willhavenoshareinhisKingdomNeitherwillthievesorgreedypeopledrunkardsslanderersorrobbers.”

    You know of course others read these posts. Do you think THEY do not see your prideful self-blindness? Here, let me do what you just did but with the emphasis on YOU this time. Read 1 Co 6: 9, 10 like this, “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither FORNICATORS, nor IDOLATERS, nor ADULTERERS nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor THIEVES, nor the COVETOUS, nor DRUNKARDS, nor REVILERS, nor SWINDLERS, will inherit the kingdom of God.” You also skipped right over the “DO NOT BE DECEIVED!” part! (Look at all those OTHER sinners ALSO in this list, among whom I include myself because, as Paul states in Romans 2:1, “You are just as bad.” Yes, I know that. Tell me again how I am trying to “justify my sin” with this Bible verse). Obviously YOU are ALSO DECEIVED! You keep haranguing about homosexuals and homosexuality but totally ignore the over 360 sins in the Bible about HETEROSEXUAL SINS. As I continue to point out, you act like a typical, HOMOPHOBE repressing your own homosexual urges. Do I have to repeat that study on homophobic men and why they act the way they do AGAIN?! It talks about YOU! GET OVER IT! GET SOME COUNSELING! “Look at me. I’m a Christian. I go to church. I’m righteous. I’m not repressing homosexual urges!” (yeah, right). PLEEEEEASE, ANSWER MY QUESTION! “Which is worse, the CELIBATE HOMOSEXUAL or the REMARRIED DIVORCEE living in the WILLFUL SIN OF ADULTERY according to Jesus in Mark 10:11,12?” Take off the blindfold this time!
    “11. Such were some of YOU; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.” (Why does Billy Graham say this then, I’m just a sinner saved by Grace… I will be a sinner until the day I die… I will not be perfect until I get to Heaven.”?) This applies ONLY to HOMOSEXUALS but not to REMARRIED DIVORCEES living in the CONTINUAL, WILLFUL SIN OF ADULTERY according to Jesus in Mark 10:11,12????” You’ve GOT to be KIDDING! What about “DRUNKARDS”? Do you not have an opinion about *ALCOHOLICS the same way you do about homosexuals? No. Of course not. That does NOT, in your shallow, narrow mind, “deflect suspicions and rumors… as a way of compensating emotionally for [your] guilt and shame over [your] OWN repressed homosexual urges….Those who cannot accept their same-sex desires…VENT THEIR SELF-LOATHING through attacks on other people’s homosexuality.” (These research results were published in the prestigious JOURNAL OF ABNORMAL PSYCHOLOGY, with the backing of the American Psychological Association. (Now who’s abnormal?!)
    “You think if you throw enough verses around that it will justify your SIN.” Where do you get THAT?! Your narrow mind just makes it up doesn’t it?! Again, I can see you do NOT read my posts! On the contrary YOU are obviously intent on deflecting guilt as a sinner FROM YOURSELF. Of all the statements I make saying that I include myself among all sinners equal in God’s sight, let me just quote the Rev. Billy Graham—AGAIN, “I’m just a sinner saved by Grace… I will be a sinner until the day I die… I will not be perfect until I get to Heaven.” Me too Reverend Graham. How I know that. Good advice for YOU TOO Larry!
    Another one you keep skipping over because your PRIDE blinds you is this belief that seuxalities are “CHOICE.” Why do you keep holding so steadfastly to that FALSE concept? If you would ANSWER MY QUESTION you would understand. But you DO NOT WANT to understand. Understanding would FORCE you look at your own sins. Q: “If homophobes are really *repressed homosexuals who fight against their own homosexual urges, why would they ‘CHOOSE’ to have these homosexual feelings in the first place? Also, instead of REPRESSING these feelings, why don’t they just ‘UNCHOOSE’ them, instead of continually repressing them and becoming such hateful, anti-gay assholes?” See there? You JUST CANNOT ANSWER THIS QUESTION! Therefore, homosexual/romantic feelings ARE NOT CHOICE!”
    By “IMMORAL PERSONS” are you again excluding the over 360 HETEROSEXUAL SINS? Your implication is that RAPE, INCEST, PROSTITUTION, FORNICATION AND ADULTERY, to name a few, are NOT IMMORAL HETEROSEXUAL sins. No, you are just fixated on homosexuality, a condition homosexuals have NO PART in bringing upon themselves. It’s a severe, father-son (for boys) relationship DEPRIVATION that by adolescence sexualizes into what society calls homosexuality. There are a plethora of developmental psychologist reports on that. I’ve posted them above, but you have NOT READ them have you? Again, PRIDE of your OWN “righteousness” has blinded you. PRIDE, the SIN of Satan, will keep you out of Heaven. But you do not know that. I take ALL my sins to the Cross of Christ where they can be covered and forgiven PROPERLY! Sweeping one’s sins under the church carpet in a vain attempt to hide them from yourself, others and God, will not properly cover them so God can declare, “And I will see their sins no more.” God has relegated you to the IGNORE-ANT.

    “Don’t drink too much wine, for many evils lie along that path; be filled instead with the Holy Spirit and controlled by him.” (Ephesians 5:18) As I mentioned in a previous post, I am celibate. I never was into the physical. My “Dad-love deprivation” placed emphasis on the romantic. “La la la la la!” But you don’t want to hear that.

    • Larry / vietnamvet1971

      you should by now know every one in here has told you are a Pervert / Sodomite / Immoral Sexual Pervert.

      This is my last comments to a Sodomite with a Depraved & Reprobate mind, remember Paul tells you GOD has given you ONE so go discuss / fuss with Paul. NO one in here listens to your Drivel ( childish, silly, or meaningless talk or thinking; nonsense; twaddle.)

      Go preach to your Sodomites buddies and convert them to your Religion.

  • david Boles

    Keep telling yourself that Larry. I am celibate. “Gay is as gay does.” YOU, as it turns out, are repressing your own homosexual urges trying to hide the real you. I do not trust homophobes!

    Q: “Why must some people perceive others as inferior just to make themselves feel better?”—from the British sitcom Absolutely Fabulous.
    A: “Pride covers a multitude of sins…. You can see what they’re trying to hide by the way they’re trying to hide it.”—Rebecca Wells, from the book and the movie Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood.
    Try to understand the nature of human sexuality please! Maybe this will help:

    “Straight Men’s Brains”

    Female beauty affects men like food, drugs, study says.

    Boston—
     Seeing a beautiful woman triggers a pleasure response in a man¹s brain similar to what a hungry person gets from eating or an addict gets from a fix, scientists say. Researchers said the study, published in the journal Neuron (Associated press Nov. 10, 2001), shows that feminine beauty affects a man¹s brain at a primal level, not on some higher, more intellectual plane.
    “Beauty is working similar to a drug,” said Dan Ariely of Massachusetts Institute of Technology¹s Sloan School of Management and a co-author of the study.
    Researchers showed a group of heterosexual men in their mid-20¹s pictures of men and women of varying attractiveness, while measuring the brain’s responses through computer imaging.
    The beautiful women were found to activate the same “reward circuits” as food and cocaine does.  The men had a negative reaction to pictures of good-looking males, suggesting that they were threatened by them, study author Hans Breiter said.
    Breiter said evidence that female beauty in the brains of heterosexual men stimulates these primal brain circuits has never been shown. [END]

    Now, I ask, when viewing same-sex subjects, do homosexuals’ brains react the same way as heterosexuals’ brains?  Perhaps homosexuals can’t help feeling homosexual feelings—at a primal level, not on some higher, more intellectual plane—any more than heterosexuals can help feeling heterosexual feelings!

    This article raises some questions doesn’t it?  Do heterosexual men make themselves feel attracted to beautiful women, because they know it’s the normal, natural, even morally Christian thing to do?  Or do you suppose they can’t help feeling these wonderful feelings when looking at a beautiful woman?  Would a man be able to stop feeling these feelings for other women once he gets married, feeling them only for his wife? And the straight men in this study didn’t feel pleasurable feelings like these for other men!  If they did, what would that mean?  Do you suppose homosexual men feel these kinds of “pleasure response” feelings in their primal brain circuits when looking at beautiful men?  Or is the gay brain somehow different than the straight man’s brain?  Maybe homosexuality is indeed “hardwired” after all. Perhaps homosexuals can’t help feeling pleasurable homosexual feelings any more than heterosexuals can help feeling pleasurable heterosexual feelings—at a primal level, not on some higher, more intellectual plane.

    What if people were routinely given tests like this, people like employees applying for jobs, candidates running for office, you name it, testing the autonomic nervous system using pupilometers (pupils dilate at the sight of sexually stimulating subjects), plethysmographs that record arousel, and computer imaging checking for homosexual urges? Wouldn’t such experiments indicate that sexual attractions and romantic feelings are embedded deep in the subconscious?  Surely then certain things hidden would be revealed. But perhaps all this should best be swept under the rug.  Imagine the Orwellian, even Hitlerian implications!

  • david Boles

    Larry / vietnamvet1971 So, “Now do you see it?” Straight men don’t have an obsessive compulsion to “prove” their HETEROsexual orientation. They don’t have homosexual urges gnawing at them from the autonomic nervous system. Straight men cannot help feeling sexual/romantic attractions to women. Straight men had a sufficient male-gender identification process in the formative years of their boyhood directing them to grow up straight. Doesn’t your obsession with trying to prove you don’t have repressed homosexual urges all the time WEAR YOU OUT? Your defensiveness must take up a lot of your valuable time! I’m sure glad I’m not a homophobe like you! I have better things to do, like research the facts about a number of my favorite subjects. For example, last night I Googled ” sins of sodom and gomorrah ” I had done a Bible study on this many years ago, but that was before Google. We are indeed in “the time of the end when travel and knowledge shall be vastly increased.” (Daniel 12:4). I really enjoy sparring with you. Our debate stimulates thought. Every time I have a debate like this with someone (atheists, Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses to name a few) I gather even more information for future debates. You should see my “Bible Study” folder! I’m going to have to organize it into categories to simplify it! So, don’t give up! I keep learning more and more!

  • david Boles

    Larry / vietnamvet1971 What was the sin of Sodom according to Genesis 19? You’ll love this article. It’s about the homosexuals of Sodom…or is it?! KNOWLEDGE IS POWER! Learn the REAL in-depth facts. Try to stay away from your self-perceived opinions you merely “declare” to be the facts. If you DECLARE yourself to not be gay, the repressed homosexual urges you fight against will still be there. God can “DECLARE” us “not guilty,” but we are STILL GUILTY!

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/hombibg193.htm

    from “What Do Mormons Believe?” [How ironic! The cult of cults! LDS CHANGES historical orthodox Bible-based Christian definitions, therefore they are classified as a cult]

    It is unclear from this brief passage in Genesis why God demolished the city. The following theories  have been advanced.
    The people of Sodom:

    1. Engaged in consensual homosexual acts -- a same-sex orgy in this case. This is the belief of most conservative Christians. This option seems unlikely because:
    2. Genesis 19:5 said that all of the men (perhaps all of the people) of Sodom formed the mob at Lot's house and demanded to "know" the angels. The percentage of homosexuals in a typical group of male adults is generally around 5%, [more like 2-3% by today's estimate] not 100%.

    3. Also, Lot had lived in the city for some years and would have known if all of the men were homosexuals; he would hardly have offered to sacrifice his daughters to the mob if the men were entirely homosexual. 

    4. Finally, as noted above, if the men of Sodom were all homosexuals, there would be few if any children and widows in the city as are mentioned elsewhere in the Bible.

    Opinion among most liberal and mainline Christian and Jewish theologians has now reverted to TEH ORIGINAL CHRISTIAN BELIEF that Genesis 19 refers to a lack of charity and to ill treatment of strangers. Consider:

    In ancient Jewish literature, such as the Ethics of the Fathers and the Talmud, there are many references to Sodom. The phrase “middat Sdom” was used. It may be translated as “the way the people of Sodom thought”. It meant a lack of charity and hospitality towards others; ignoring the needs of the poor, etc. In the Middle East, a person’s survival could depend upon the charity of strangers. To help strangers was a solemn religious duty of paramount importance. See Leviticus 19:33-34 and Matthew 25:35, 38 and 43.
     
    Isaiah 1; The entire first chapter is an utter condemnation of Judah. They are repeatedly compared with Sodom and Gomorrah in their evildoing and depravity. Throughout the chapter, the Prophet lists many sins of the people: rebelling against God, lacking in knowledge, deserting the Lord, idolatry, engaging in meaningless religious ritual, being unjust and oppressive to others, being insensitive to the needs of widows and orphans, committing murder, accepting bribes, etc. There is no reference to homosexuality or to any other sexual activities at all.
     
    Jeremiah 23:14:”…among the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen something horrible: They commit adultery and live a lie. They strengthen the hands of evildoers, so that no one turns from his wickedness. They are all like Sodom to me; the people of Jerusalem are like Gomorrah.” Jeremiah compares the actions of the prophets with the adultery, lying and evil of the people of Sodom. Homosexual activity is not mentioned.
     
    Ezekiel 16:49-50:”Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.” God states clearly that he destroyed Sodom’s sins because of their pride, their excess of food while the poor and needy suffered; sexual activity is not even mentioned. [END]

    Sounds more like the United States, the Great Babylon! Also, sometime Google ” insest in the bible ” What happened in the cave between Lot and his daughters after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? Was that not a sin? Maybe in Lot’s day it was not, but incest certainly is a sin today!

  • david Boles

    I have always identified with this Bible passage. I embrace ALL sinners by humbly admitting, as Paul says, that “I am the worst [the foremost…the chief…] of sinners.” This is my ministry to all, especially gays, “I SEEM AS ONE OF THEM”:

    “And this has a real advantage: I am not bound to obey anyone just because he pays my salary; yet I have freely and happily become a servant of any and all so that I can win them to Christ. When I am with the Jews I SEEM AS ONE OF THEM so that they will listen to the Gospel and I can win them to Christ. When I am with Gentiles who follow Jewish customs and ceremonies I don’t argue, even though I don’t agree, because I want to help them. When with the heathen I agree with them as much as I can, except of course that I must always do what is right as a Christian. And so, by agreeing, I can win their confidence and help them too.
    “When I am with those whose consciences bother them easily, I don’t act as though I know it all and don’t say they are foolish; the result is that they are willing to let me help them. Yes, whatever a person is like, I try to find common ground with him so that he will let me tell him about Christ and let Christ save him. 23 I do this to get the Gospel to them and also for the blessing I myself receive when I see them come to Christ. (1 Corinthians 9:19-23 TLB )

    What I have seen in our debates is that YOU are more like this:

    “You know what he wants; you know what is right because you have been taught his law. You are convinced that you are a guide for the blind and a light for people who are lost in darkness. You think you can instruct the ignorant and teach children the ways of God. For you are certain that God’s law gives you complete knowledge and truth.
    Well then, if you teach others, why don’t you teach yourself? You tell others not to steal, but do you steal? You say it is wrong to commit adultery, but do you commit adultery? … You are so proud of knowing the law, but you dishonor God by breaking it. No wonder the Scriptures say, ‘The Gentiles [the world] BLASPHEME THE NAME OF GOD BECAUSE OF YOU.’” (Romans 2:18-24)

    You do more to drive potential Christian believers AWAY from God’s FREE GIFT os Salvation to ALL with your vitriolic anti-gay rhetoric, as if you yourself are without sin!

  • david Boles

    Larry / vietnamvet1971 says, “you should by now know every one in here has told you are a Pervert / Sodomite / Immoral Sexual Pervert.”
    What a classic case of PSYCHOLOGICAL PROJECTION you are! I am celibate.
    “The most common ego defense mechanism is 

Projection:
Placing blame for one’s difficulties upon others, or attributing one’s own unethical desires to others.  Projecting onto others the very PSYCHOLOGICAL PATHOLOGY one is not willing to see in himself.”

    [bumper sticker]:
    

PROUD TO BE A LIBERAL
    
JESUS WAS A LIBERAL
    
HITLER WAS A CONSERVATIVE

    
Q: Is the practice of homosexuality the worst sin? 
No, the Bible lists homosexuality along with ALL OTHER SINS. In the Old Testament, homosexual behavior is considered a crime punishable by death. The death penalty, however, is also prescribed for murder, human sacrifice, ADULTERY, INCEST [Lot and your daughters, are you reading this?], RAPE, FORNICATION [all you teens causing countless millions of unwanted pregnancies that end up in abortion clinic garbage cans and orphanages—DEATH TO YOU ALL! Ha! that ain’t gonna happen!], witchcraft, idolatry, blasphemy, desecration of the Sabbath, perjury, theft, kidnaping, contempt of court, treason, cursing a parent, physically abusing one’s parent, and disobeying parents. ALL THESE BIBLICAL CRIMES REQUIRE THE DEATH PENALTY. (Genesis 9:5,6; Exodus 21:15-17; 22:18-20; Leviticus 18:22; 20:2-16; 24:6-11; Numbers 15:32-36; Deuteronomy 17:6-12; 21:18-21; 22:21-25)
    

It must be noted that Jesus calls remarried divorcees adulterers (Mark 10:11,12). Therefore remarried divorcees, as adulterers, must be stoned to death right along with homosexuals and all these other nasty bad sinners! 

Here is PART of a letter to the editor I submitted to our great CONSERVATIVE state newspaper. It was published!:  “…The Bible also says to kill anyone of a different religion (Deuteronomy 17:2-7), that if a man cheats on his wife, or vice versa, both the man and woman are to be taken outside the city gates and stoned to death for adultery. (Leviticus 20:10)…”
 

—from the Christian resource organization *Rose Publishing pamphlet, Straight Talk.
    *Rose Publishing, Inc.
4455 Torrance Blvd. #259
Torrance, CA 90503  USA.
www.rose-publishing.com

    It doesn’t take a Sigmund Freud to understand the motives of certain personality types who rail against homosexuality. Unresolved guilt over repressed sins—perhaps even repressed homosexual tendencies—and feelings of insecurity or inferiority, manifest themselves as condemnation of others perceived as inferior.  What a cheap way to make oneself feel better. If such people were really concerned about condemning sin, they would include ALL sins, starting with THE DEADLIEST SIN OF ALL—PRIDE!
 God is not impressed!


    “I will believe people’s claims that God’s revealed word in the Bible is literal, eternal and unchanging when I see them down at the Wal-Mart or convenience store stoning the employees who are working on the Sabbath, punishing men who have had their hair cut, burning  to death people who have had sex with their in-laws, refusing to eat shellfish and then picketing restaurants that serve them, stoning to death people who utter curse words, advocating and practicing slavery, and railing against anti-Biblical abominations such as the USDA for advocating companion planting of crops and the garment industry for producing clothes made out of fabric containing blends of differing threads. If they’re doing all that, then I will believe that their opposition to homosexuality as an abomination is an expression of their devotion to STRICT COMPLIANCE with LITERAL BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES.”—anonymous blogger

  • david Boles

    Larry / vietnamvet1971 says, “Go preach to your Sodomites buddies and convert them to your Religion.”
    So, tell me, what IS “MY RELIGION” as you read my posts here (folks, don’t kid yourselves, Larry does NOT read my posts. I have to keep repeating myself for him!)
    Please read 1Cor. 9:19-23 above in case you missed it. I SEEM AS ONE OF THEM [or, ‘I try to be as one of them’] so that they will listen to the Gospel and I can win them to Christ.” Now I must ask, what is YOUR religion? Oh, I keep forgetting, you cannot answer my questions. My questions are too revealing about what you REALLY are. You are a classic homophobe desperately trying to repress your homosexual urges. What a wasted life that must be.

  • david boles

    Larry, *where did you go?! YOU CAN DISH IT BUT YOU CAN’T TAKE IT I see. I was on a roll researching more information for future anti-gay homophobe hypocrites like you. I’ve been sending my rebuttals around to others, straights included, so they can have this good research, including **psychoanalysis of the homophobe, Bible passages, logic and reason to show how you just cannot have it all your way. People need to be well armed to fight back against the likes of you! “You’ll never change them,” I sometimes hear. Yes, that’s true, stubborn, prideful egos are psychotically intransigent. “Changing” you is not my intention here, but I WILL NOT let you get off scott free thinking your bigotry is the last word! By the way, has anyone else noticed that none of the homophobes in this comment section ever proclaimed that, “Seeing a beautiful woman triggers a pleasure response”? Kind of revealing isn’t it?

    *Seven years ago “blogger #23” also couldn’t take the truth!
    “#23? Where did you go?!” Happens to me all the time.

    I commented, “If I challenge the lie it will run and hide. If you deny the truth you’ll get a black eye!”
    Google these: The Real Cost of Divorce
    Encouraging Marriage and Discouraging Divorce
    Children of Divorce: Consequences of Divorce
    **Here’s one definition of “homophobia,” from Wikipedia: “The term ‘internalized homophobia’ is used to describe a prejudice against one’s own homosexuality.”
    I see the “phobia” part of this word as, “fear that others might suspect a homosexual orientation in the homophobic person.”

  • david boles

    Jimmy Ray Boots:”I heard that some of these Baptist churches were going to secretly have conversion camps set up on private land. Try to help these people snap out of the lifestyle.” If you are heterosexual and you woke up tomorrow in a body of the opposite sex, you would be a lesbian. How would you “snap out of the lifestyle”? Please read my posts above. They are very informative. Here is more of the same. Please understand!

    Why does no one want to talk about “The Cause That Dare Not Speak Its Name”? First, sexuality, straight or gay, is embedded in the autonomic nervous system. Pupils dilate at the sight of romantically and sexually attractive subjects. Try to stop that, and sexual-romantic feelings, from occurring. Homosexuals cannot help feeling homosexual feelings any more than heterosexuals can help feeling heterosexual feelings. In Dr. James Dobson’s book Bringing Up Boys, ch. 9 talks about the male-gender identification process a boy goes through during his formative years, starting as early as toddlerhood. There are a host of other Christians and Christian organizations who report this same phenomenon in their books and pamphlets. Can we talk about this sometime? Or is this subject just way to taboo to bring up? Here’s an excerpt:
    “Mothers make boys, fathers make men— Based on my work with adult homosexuals, I try to avoid the necessity of a long and sometimes painful therapy by encouraging parents, especially FATHERS, to affirm their sons’ maleness. Parental education, in this area and all others, can prevent a lifetime of unhappiness and a sense of alienation. When boys begin to relate to their fathers, and begin to understand what is exciting, fun and energizing about their fathers, they will learn to accept their own masculinity. They will find a sense of freedom, of power, by being different from their mothers, outgrowing them as they move into a man’s world. If parents encourage their sons in these ways, they will help them develop masculine identities and be well on their way to growing up straight. In 15 years, I have spoken with hundreds of homosexual men. I have never met one who said he had a loving, respectful relationship with his father.” (Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, Preventing Homosexuality, a Family Guide ch. 1. Used by permission in Bringing Up Boys, by Dr. James Dobson ch. 9)
    It must be noted that developmental psychologists point out a “critical moment” in toddlerhood when a boy unwittingly makes a “decision” to gravitate toward this identity with his father. “First order of business—Don’t be a woman.” The lucky ones are those boys who have loving, nurturing fathers who become their best friend. If a boy later becomes friends with his father, the pattern was already begun during this early period. My own father was always hostile and rejecting as far back as I can remember. Another gay friend didn’t know his father until high school, when his father was discharged from the military. But I suspect that “don’t blame parents” creates a block against understanding and accepting this concept, “choice” and “genetics” being ruled out notwithstanding, this is what is left.

  • david boles

    Everyone should watch this! It’s long, but really gets into the heart of society’s bigotry about homosexuality.

    “Arguments against homosexuality and why they don’t work.”

  • donna

    How horrible it must be to be so utterly blind as to miss the verses, or twist the verses in Leviticus where it says… you shall not lay with mankind as with womankind, it is an abomination~!
    And that is only just one of the many verses condemning homosexuality.
    Furthermore, if one pays close attention, a “transgender” person is first a HOMOSEXUAL. It is clear that these so called transgender persons first and foremost practice homosexuality and then many get “sex reassignment surgery”, since it is obvious even to themselves, that his male genitals do not FIT and do not belong with another man’s genitals. Same for female homosexuals. But sex reassignment surgery does not make a man into a woman, or a woman into a man. A transgender woman was first a homosexual man, and making his genitals to resemble a woman’s does not make him a woman, and he still sleeps with other men. Still a homosexual to the core.

    • Larry / vietnamvet1971

      Donna, arguing with this Depraved, Reprobate in here is Futile he has a PHD in Perversion & spreads / spews his version of our Great GODS Word around thinking he is OK. He will throw the Book (Bible at you) GOD will hold him accountable for his False teachings as Teachers are held to a High Standard. So he as you can see leaves a LONG rebuttal of NOTHING.

      His Tit for Tat accusations mean NOTHING.

      He needs to go some where else to spew his False message.

      • david boles

        Larry/vietnamvet 1971. PLEASE! GIVE EXAMPLES TO SUPPORT YOUR STATEMENTS! Copy and paste quotes I have made to support your accusations. I’ll be waiting.
        It is very clear that you yourself are PROJECTING Haven’t you read the definition of projecting? How well do YOU know the Bible? Or are you one of those so-called “Christians” who cannot accept those Bible verses that count you among the rest of us lowly sinners? Are you poisoned and blinded by the PRIDE of your OWN “righteousness”? What are some examples of what you say are my “False teachings”? I would certainly like to be enlightened by your findings. Your rantings only give me, and no doubt others, the impression that you yourself are intimidated by the REST of the Bible I quote, verses that go AGAINST what YOU WANT to believe about yourself. I am faithful in God’s promise to forgive me of ALL my sins, yes, even when I work on the Sabbath day, sunset Friday to sunset Saturday, even when I commit the abomination of eating shrimp…I could go on and on all day with the REST of the sins I commit, either willfully or unintentionally. I’ve told you before I am celibate. So, what’s your problem? Your own homosexual urges you desperately try to repress? At least I’m not one of those remarried divorcees who ignores his sin of adultery. Was Jesus wrong about what He said about that? Tell me. I’ll be waiting! This verse describes me, my namesake:
        “King David spoke of this, describing the happiness of an undeserving sinner who is declared ‘not guilty’ by God. ‘Blessed and to be envied,’ he said, ‘are those whose sins are forgiven and put out of sight. Yes, what joy there is for anyone whose sins are no longer counted against him by the Lord.’” Romans 4:6-8 The Living Bible (TLB) You need to lighten up about the sins of others. Something is keeping you from the joy and freedom of being totally forgiven. Maybe you need some counseling about what’s eating at you. Get back with me after you do your homework. I’ll be waiting….

    • As a former counselor dealing with those that are “transgender” (gender dysphoria) know for a fact that of the 8,000 patients I counseled, the majority were men…and the majority of the men were, heterosexual, well dressed with expensive clothing, taking every step to make themselves “pass”…they were not the flaunting, homosexuals that you see with the weird outfits parading through parades in “pride” events. About 90 percent of the transgender males had no intentions of being outed, but just made every effort to pass as the sex they felt like they were supposed to be. The thought of contact with another male was rather repulsive to them. Fact is, they were asexual. In other words they had no desire for sex. One of the requirements that I demanded was that the potential patient get a full physical from either their own physician or one that was familiar with the condition of gender dysphoria. The purpose of the physical was to determine if there was a biological or chemical condition that would cause them to deal with their dysphoria. Their are 26 known conditions that can lead to a baby being born intersexual (with certain conditions of both genders…which led to immediate surgery to determine which gender they were going to be)…or they can be born with ambiguous gender in which the doctors could not specify what gender they were. 2 percent of babies born are either intersexual to some degree or ambiguous. Of the 2000 female to male transgender patients, 100 percent of them were attracted to the same sex….but the majority of them stuck to themselves, went through life not making a big deal of their appearance. They never talked about it…they just lived it. Now, let me get this important fact out. Our ministry at that time (I resigned that leadership role in 2000) never condoned the “transgender” life style. Our purpose was two fold: lead them to the Lord as number one and keep them from committing suicide. Also, there is a condition called chimerism (A genetic chimerism or chimera (also spelled chimaera) is a single organism composed of cells from different zygotes. This can result in male and female organs, two blood types, or subtle variations in form.) They can also have two totally separate DNAs which can and has led to a lot of legal problems and “transplant” problems.

  • David boles

    donna, “In a highly-ironic twist, the same church that produced the very first president of the Southern Baptist Convention is now an LGBT-affirming, pro-same sex marriage, and pro-transgender church, and they don’t care what you think of them.” I say, “Now THAT’S a CHRISTLIKE CHURCH! Jesus EXCLUDES NO ONE FROM HIS FREE GIFT OF SALVATION! NO, YOU DO N0T HAVE TO BE “GOOD ENOUGH” TO QUALIFY! Do a little Bible study outside your little “righteous box”. Read Romans 3:20-22 and Colo. 3:11. How ironic it is that I am often accused of not knowing the Bible. I began reading the Bible when I was in early grade school (see above posts). If you had read all my comments above you would have seen that, you would understand, you would have no further comments or questions. You have no clue what human sexuality, straight or gay, REALLY is, do you?

    So, donna, you say, “How horrible it must be to be so utterly blind as to miss the verses, or twist the verses in Leviticus where it says… you shall not lay [sic] with mankind as with womankind, it is an abomination~! And that is only just one of the many verses condemning homosexuality….”
    First of all I am not the one who is BLIND to ANY Bible verses, and certainly not those verses, of which there are only SIX, not “MANY” verses condemning homosexuality. Did you not read my posts to other homophobes above? Obviously NOT! So….let me keep repeating myself again and AGAIN! Let’s start with this: The comedian George Carlin said this too, no doubt poking fun at self-blinded hypocrites like yourself, “There are SIX admonishments to homosexuals in the Bible. There are THREE HUNDRED SIXTY-TWO to HETEROSEXUALS…..” So, what’s all the fuss about gays then?! I often suggest Google searching ” sins of the bible ” There are over SIX HUNDRED OF THEM, not JUST ONE! Google ” abominations in the bible ” There are SIXTY-SEVEN of them, not JUST ONE! Anti-gay attitudes have more to do with COVERING ONE’S OWN SINS in a PRIDEFUL, SELF-RIGHTEOUS manner so as to DIVERT ATTENTION from them by MAGNIFYING the SINS of OTHERS! Am I making myself clear yet? I take ALL my sins, and they are many, because to the Cross of Christ where they can be PROPERLY covered and forgiven. Sweeping sins under the church carpet “ain’t gonna do it honey!” I include eating shell fish, shrimp and lobster along with OTHER abominations I commit. You clearly seem to be “PROJECTING.” Projection is the most common ego defense mechanism: “Placing blame for one’s difficulties upon others, or attributing one’s own unethical desires to others. Projecting onto others the very patholoy one is not willing to see in him(or her)self.” So, I always ask homophobes, “What are YOU hiding about YOURSELF?! Read this true story: I asked the pastor of my Assembly of God church once what Jesus meant by calling remarried divorcees *ADULTERERS in Mark 10:11,12. He said, quite sternly as if he didn’t want to talk about this, “Son, that’s one subject the church sweeps under the rug.” I then asked, “So, in a prayer to the congregation this morning one of your deacons asked for homosexuals to ‘come back to God.’ Don’t you sweep homosexuality under the rug too? Should remarried divorcees also ‘come back to God’?” Silence. No response. I left his office and soon left his church.
    So, when are we going to start bullying the VAST MAJORITY of HETEROSEXUALS and THEIR sins? Arch-conservative Cal Thomas, to the surprise of many like yourself, wrote this in the Los Angeles Times many years ago,  “… Pro family groups have given it their best shot, but this debate is over.  They would do better to spend their energy and resources building up their side of the cultural divide and demonstrating how their own precepts are supposed to work.  DIVORCE REMAINS A GREAT THREAT TO FAMILY STABILITY, and there are FAR MORE HETEROSEXUALS DIVORCING and COHABITING than homosexuals wishing to ‘marry.’  If conservative religious people wish to exert maximum influence on culture, they will REDIRECT THEIR ATTENTION to repairing their own cracked foundation.  An improved heterosexual family structure will do more for those families and the greater good than attempts to halt the inevitable.” Did you not watch the lecture above by John Corvino? Of course not. You are too focused on your OWN ostentatious SELF-righteousness! DARE to watch and carefully listen to it. “Arguments against homosexuality and WHY THEY DON’T WORK.”
    I HAD a very good friend, Nancy, until she got pregnant out of wedlock and got an abortion. She apparently got so guilt-ridden about it she became a “Christian,” joined a cult-like church where the women wore dresses down to their ankles, wore their hair in an oversized bun, no jewelry, no makeup, and became viciously anti-gay, suddenly dumping all her “abomination” gay friends! It’s a familiar story! Always ask anti-gay fundamentalists, “What are YOU hiding?!” When I sent her verses from the REST of the Bible that included her, she spammed my e-mails and unfriended me from facebook. “Honey, there are 67 abominations in the Bible, not just one, Ok?!”
    Now I must ask you too, “What are YOU hiding?!” If PRIDE has made a home in your heart because you cannot accept yourself as a common sinner among ALL other sinners, you are playing with fire. PRIDE, the SIN OF SATAN, will keep you out of Heaven! God requires our HUMILITY. That’s what “REPENTANCE” means!

    *What does the Bible say about ADULTERY, which includes remarried divorcees? Adultery is the most widely condemned of the sexual sins. It is mentioned in the Ten Commandments, all four Gospels, and is punishable by death, i.e., stoning. “And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.” (Leviticus 20:10) Let’s have NTEB write an article about adultery sometime. What comments would you post? What about the CHILDREN of divorce? Anti-gay homophobes are continually ranting about how “children need a MOTHER AND A FATHER” on the subject of gay marriage. But single parent households are Ok? Boys who grow up without the father, the male-gender identification for growing up straight, are at much greater risk of entering adolescence with that “need that went unmet,” and turning out deprived of a dad-son relationship, i.e. gay.
    Btw, If you would dare to read Proverbs 6:16 – 19 you would see that you yourself are an abomination by not telling the whole truth, and that you are a trouble maker among other sinners who accept ALL their sins. “A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.” And you think God is impressed with you!

  • Pairote Tay

    In Lot’s day when he fled from Sodom Gommorah- a city filled with homosexual and fornicator.Lot did not look back or accommodate the people and of practices of his time;,he determined to get out of it.His wife turned back with longing for the people/things that left behind and was punished,died as a pillar of salt.If we accommodate what god said in the bible as grave sins and will not enter the kingdom of god,we will not have a place for god and his righteousness,and we will be destroyed forever.Satan always decieve people,bible said that he can turn himself into an angel of light or religion and lure people in.How can we identify those religion/churches whether they belong to god or not? Jesus told us to look into their fruits, saying good trees will produce good fruits,and you will know them(religion/churches) by their fruits.The churches that does not produce good fruits-practise what is contrary to what god’s word said is bad trees that produce bad fruits and will be cut down.Lot determined and made his good effort to get out of the sinful city and was saved.You people of good conscience and deed,get out of the bad trees before it is too late and be safe in the loving care of god almighty.

    • david boles

      Pairote Tay. First of all, contrary to what everyone still wants to believe, Sodom and Gomorrah was not “a city filled with homosexual [sic] and fornicator [sic].” Today the gay population is around 2-3%, more if you count CLOSETED homophobes. Psychologists speculate that the population of homosexuals throughout history has remained about the same. Anti-gay personality types, however, like to elevate the “homosexuals” in Sodom and Gomorrah as part of their ploy, “to deflect suspicions and rumours of [their own repressed] homosexuality.”* ( Google ” bigots are buggers ” ) In reality, the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah were more like what we see in America today, which may be why theologians are speculating that the prophesied “Mystery Babylon,” which will be destroyed in one hour, is the United States. “Your sister Sodom’s sins were pride, laziness, and too much food, while the poor and needy suffered outside her door.” Ezekiel 16:49 (TLB) “Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.” Ezekiel 16:49 (KJV) In the dictionary definition of either Sodom or Gomorrah you see this: “According to Gen. 19:24 it was destroyed by fire from heaven… for the wickedness of its inhabitants.” If Sodom and Gomorrah were exclusively homosexuals, then how would the population increase? Yet women and children are mentioned among the inhabitants.
      Furthermore, anti-gay types seem to like to also emphasize the “homosexual” parts in passages such as 1Cor. 6:9,10, skipping right past the the other sins mentioned that include themselves. “Don’t you know that those doing such things have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves [Do not be deceived]. Those who live immoral lives [including fornicators, which you also mentioned], who are idol worshipers, adulterers or homosexuals, will have no share in his Kingdom. Neither will thieves or greedy people, drunkards, slanderers, or robbers.” There’s “greedy” again. Consider the hyper-rich American CEO’s! Remember Christ’s words? “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” Where’s the outrage about greedy people? Jesus calls remarried divorcees “adulterers.” (Mark 10:11,12). Now look at who sits right next to “homosexuals” in 1Cor. 6:9,10. Under the rug it goes! Should we ignore “drunkards” in this passage? Of course no one wants to talk about rampant alcoholism and how alcohol destroys lives and families, not to mention other drivers on the road! Under the rug it goes! Another one to Google search is ” abominations in the bible ” There are sixty-seven abominations mentioned in the Bible, not just one! Again, anti-gay types have an “agenda” to divert attention from their own repressed homosexual urges, so they over emphasize the “homosexual” parts. I like to ask, “Who wants to commit an abomination with me? Join me for lunch at Red Lobster.” (Leviticus 11:9-12) Again, under the rug that one goes! You said, “If we accommodate what god [sic] said in the bible as grave sins and will not enter the kingdom of god [sic],we will not have a place for god [sic] and his righteousness,and we will be destroyed forever.Satan always decieve [sic] people…” Are you deceiving yourself by not including yourself among the sinners mentioned in the REST of the Bible, or are you letting Satan do that? You said, “How can we identify those religion/churches whether they belong to god [sic] or not?” I am an accomplished apologist. There are a handful of tenets that determine whether a church is a genuine, historical, orthodox, Bible-based church. The cults are deceptive in that they use Christian names (God, Jesus, Holy Spirit) and Christian terms (Salvation, Resurrection, Second Coming) then radically change the definitions to suit their own man-centered counterfeit “theology.” Mormonism is the biggest culprit, saying that their “god,” Elohim, was once a sinful man with a body. The True Jesus is God [capitalized] Himself manifest in the flesh as the Man, Second Person of the Trinity. If you Google ” rose publishing ” you can find information to help you with the cults, and therefore determine what is a true church. Jesus never denied anyone from God’s free gift of Salvation. No one has to be “good enough” to first “qualify” for entrance into Heaven (Romans 3:20-24). All one must do is abandon the PRIDE in your heart, lay your sins at the Cross of Christ in HUMILITY. That’s all, that’s it, done deal. Consider the thief on the cross next to Jesus who simply asked Him to remember him when He comes into His Kingdom. Did Jesus ask the thief if he was a homosexual? “And we ALL can be saved in this same way, by coming to Christ, no matter who we are or what we have been like. Yes, ALL have sinned; ALL fall short of God’s glorious ideal; yet now God declares us ‘not guilty’ of offending him if we trust in Jesus Christ, who in his kindness freely takes away our sins.” (Romans 3:20-24) So, since Paul’s letter to the Romans says “ALL” (emphasis mine), why do so many so-called “Christians” single out homosexuals? You know of course that no one “chooses” his or her sexuality, whether it be heterosexual or homosexual. Sexuality is embedded in the autonomic nervous system. Homosexuals can’t help feeling homosexual feelings any more than heterosexuals can help feeling heterosexual feelings. But I repeat myself. I said that more than once in the previous posts! Gender identification has everything to do with which parent the developing child identifies. Many developmental psychologists report this and there are resource materials you can order that explain this. If you had carefully read all my posts above you would know that. Do you suggest that gays should be celibate in order to be saved? Then you must answer the question, “Should remarried divorcees, whom Jesus calls adulterers, be celibate in order to be saved?” We lowly humans always sin in one way or another all the time. Google ” sins of the bible ” There are over six hundred of them! How good are you at being as perfect as Jesus? “And the person who keeps every law of God, but makes one little slip, is just as guilty as the person who has broken every law there is.” (James 2:10 TLB) But then again, if you COULD be perfectly sinless, you would not need Jesus. Back to square one—PRIDE, the sin of Satan!
      Speaking of Lot, isn’t incest a sin? Sure it is. Google it. Have you read what happened in the cave between Lot and his daughters after the fall of Sodom and Gomorrah? (Gen.19:30-36) But this is just another passage you won’t hear preached in church.
      I expect any one of the other bloggers here to remark, “There he goes again posting LONG posts!”
      I’m also told I don’t know the Bible, that I post “twisted” Bible verses. Let the Bible say this about them: “They won’t listen to what the Bible says but will blithely follow their own misguided ideas.” (2Tim. 4:4)
      Let me ask you, “Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth?” (Galatians 4:16)

      *”In other cases, ostentatious homophobia is a deliberate psychological ploy to deflect suspicions and rumours of homosexuality. This ruse is based on the assumption that if someone is very obviously homophobic other people would be less inclined to believe they were gay….”

  • David Boles

    Only 1/2 of 1% of the population is same-sex households. I Googled that. Not all of those are gay, not all of the gay households want to marry. Meanwhile the rest of the heterosexual population continues to divorce and remarry with impunity, “God hates divorce” and “remarried divorcees are adulterers” according to Jesus. (Malachi 2:14-16; Mark 10:11,12 respectively). Someone please explain why gay marriage is such a threat to the marriage institution. Does the “threat” lie solely in the traditional definition of marriage? How do heterosexual divorce and remarriage threaten the definition of marriage. “One man minus one woman equals divorce. God hates divorce.” Let’s hear more of this instead of sweeping divorce under the church carpet! Shall we talk about how divorce messes up kids? “Children need both a mother and a father!” Works both ways doesn’t it? But don’t just rail at me for bringing this up. Read what Arch-conservative Cal Thomas of the Los Angeles Times Syndicate said fourteen years ago, “… Pro family groups have given it their best shot, but this debate is over. They would do better to spend their energy and resources building up their side of the cultural divide and demonstrating how their own precepts are supposed to work. Divorce remains a great threat to family stability, and there are far more heterosexuals divorcing and cohabiting than homosexuals wishing to ‘marry.’ If conservative religious people wish to exert maximum influence on culture, they will redirect their attention to repairing their own cracked foundation. An improved heterosexual family structure will do more for those families and the greater good than attempts to halt the inevitable” [i.e. marriage equality for gays]

    Impact of gay marriage is a bogus issue

    Nov. 13, 2004

    Irwin Harris, Phoenix— “In support of a proposed state constitutional ban on gay marriage, one of our state senators is quoted as saying, ‘Marriage is the foundation of successful families and must be protected’ (Republic, Tuesday).
    I write as a recently retired family lawyer who handled about two thousand divorces during my years of practice. The causes of divorce that I saw were varied. They included abuse of alcohol, abuse of drugs, spousal abuse, money problems, infidelity, parental interference, inability to parent, compulsive gambling, and every once in a great while a spouse ‘coming out of the closet.’ But never once did I hear that a marriage was on the rocks because of a gay couple in the neighborhood or because there was a likelihood of gays being allowed to enter into legal domestic partnerships or marriage.
    There are a host of social and societal problems that negatively impact marriage and the CHILDREN of this country. Resources should be directed to those problem areas, and not to the bogus issue of the impact of gay marriage.”

    • Patrick

      In the last days people will be blinded to the truth, and you are obviously one of the blind.

  • Kathleen

    Wow.. I never thought the I would hear of a Baptist Church falling so far away from the scriptures. Instead, they have decided to become more like those in Sodom or Gomorrah. It has nothing to do with discrimination, as the world’s view of it is. It has everything to do with following the commands of God in the Bible. You either do, or you don’t! They are doing those people no favors by allowing them to live in their sinful lifestyles and be accepted in them as if they were not in sin and do not need repentance. There is deliverance in Christ. Guess the Baptist Church never has been too big on miracles. The ones I went to tried to talk them away, saying they disappeared after the apostles died. Another false doctrine. False doctrines like that make a solid foundation for future false doctrines, and then one day the Bible doesn’t mean much at all. Just another religious organization that speaks the name of God but denies the power thereof. Jesus warned us that the day of His return would not come unless there be a great falling away first. It’s happening folks. It’s happening and getting worse every day. There is a dividing going on between the sheep and the goats. May those of us who truly serve Him not ever be swayed or led astray in these false doctrines of devils.

  • Mark Fonner

    As a former SBC pastor, I would call upon the SBC to immediately break covenant with them as they are not following biblical principles. While each church is independent, they all have to agree upon the Bible being the authoritative word of God. As such, they have violated that covenant and as such, should be removed as an SBC church. This is simply wrong on many biblical levels. This pastors credentials, if any, within the SBC should also be revoked. Sad day when an SBC turns itself into a den of iniquity.

  • Please note: This particular church is not a Southern Baptist Church! They pulled themselves out of the convention somewhere between 1997 and 1999. They are CBF (Cooperative Baptist Fellowship). The SBC sent them a letter telling them to recant their LGBT stand and they refusedl to do so, and pulled themselves out of the convention. It is terrible that a CHURCH…especially a BAPTIST CHURCH…would allow this lifestyle which is condemned in scripture to be accepted in their membership.

  • First Baptist Greenville voted in 1999 to disaffiliate itself from the Southern Baptist Convention.

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