The Real Meaning Of The Word Selah As Found In The King James Bible

The Bible mentions that there will come a time known as the "time of Jacob's trouble", and it is a very fierce and ominous period of human history. The word selah appears exactly 75 times in the King James Bible, and nearly every time it does it is in the context of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and the Battle of Armageddon at the end of the Tribulation.

Selah Petra is a real place that exists today, and more importantly the word ‘Selah’ in the Bible is actually a prophecy time clue

“It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.” Psalm 89:37 (KJV)

Like most people, I am sure that you have been taught that the word ‘selah’ in the bible meant that God wanted you to ‘pause and meditate’ at the sections in scripture where the word appears. Pausing and meditating on God’s word is always a good thing to do, but having said that, there is so much more to the word ‘selah’ than pausing and meditating. The word selah appears exactly 75 times in the King James Bible, and nearly every time it does it is in the context of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and the Battle of Armageddon at the end of the Tribulation.

For starters, Selah is an actual, literal place that still exists to this day. We read about the geographic location of Selah in 2 Kings 14:

“He slew of Edom in the valley of salt ten thousand, and took Selah by war, and called the name of it Joktheel unto this day. “ 2 Kings 14:7 (KJV)

So the verse in 2 Kings 14 shows us first and foremost that Selah is a place that existed then and exists now. We call it today the rock walled city of Petra, located in Jordan. Selah (Sela) is also mentioned multiple times in the book of Isaiah:

“Send ye the lamb to the ruler of the land from Sela to the wilderness, unto the mount of the daughter of Zion. For it shall be, that, as a wandering bird cast out of the nest,so the daughters of Moab shall be at the fords of Arnon.” Isaiah 16:1,2 (KJV)

“Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.” Isaiah 42:11 (KJV)

What’s fascinating about the passage in Isaiah 42:11 is that it refers to the people of Selah as the “inhabitants of the rock”. Obadiah also mentions a civilization that lives in the rocks in the Land of Edom. Selah Petra was the capital of Edom:

“The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord GOD concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the LORD, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle. Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised. The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?” Obadiah 1:1-3 (KJV)

There are many, many more references I could give for showing that Selah (Sela) is an actual geographic location, but I will trust that these will be sufficient. Now that we have established that Selah is an actual place from history past, let’s look and see if the bible gives reference to the city of Selah Petra being inhabited and used in a future, prophetical way.

The Jews in the Time of Jacob’s Trouble – The Great Tribulation!

The Bible mentions that there will come a time known as the “time of Jacob’s trouble”, and it is a very fierce and ominous period of human history. In the 30th chapter of the book of Jeremiah, the Lord is giving prophecy about a time yet future when the Jews would be regathered into their land, Israel, but it would not be a time of peace. In fact, it would be just the opposite.

“The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book. For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it. And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah. For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace. Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.” Jeremiah 30:1-5,7 (KJV)

We know this ‘time of Jacob’s trouble’ to be what the New Testament refers to as the Great Tribulation. The time in which the Antichrist will visibly rule, and his main target will the people of Jacob who became Israel – the Jews.

God prepares a hiding place

God has promised that once the Jews were restored that they would never again be driven out. But the onslaught that the Antichrist whips up against them is so fierce and so terrible that God moves them out of the way, He hides them, in a place where Satan cannot get them. Jesus tells us to pay close attention to the prophet Daniel for a whoppingly important clue…and here it is:

“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.” Matthew 24:15-22 (KJV)

“And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.” Luke 21:20-23 (KJV)


In the ancient world, the rock walled city of Petra was commonly referred to by it’s full name of Selah, Petra. This steel engraving of the Ruinen von Selah Petra (the Ruins of Selah Petra) 1850, by Laborde is a great example of that.

We who take the bible literally can clearly see that during the Great Tribulation, the Jews of necessity will be forced to temporarily flee to 1) a place in the wilderness, that is also in 2). the mountains.

The book of Revelation sheds even more light on the ‘flight’ that God will cause the Jews to take to get away from the Antichrist:

“And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” Revelation 12:14-17 (KJV)

So we see that the believing Jews will be flown into a pre-prepared place in the wilderness for a ‘time, times and half a time’, or three and one-half years as foretold by the prophet Daniel. We believe that in this red rock city of Selah Petra is where God will hide the Jews while the Antichrist installs himself in the rebuilt Temple as if he was very God himself.

WARNING: The NIV Bible removes the word completely –  In the King James 1611 Authorized Version Holy Bible, the word Selah appears exactly 75 times, and as we are showing you here it is a phenomenal prophecy clue as to the nature and character of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. But the NIV REMOVES all 75 places in the Old Testament where the word appears, replacing it with NOTHING. Just simply erased it! Now, since the word Selah reveals so much about the Second Coming of Jesus, who do YOU think would want the word removed and hide all that information from you?

Selah as a clue to the Second Coming Of Jesus Christ

We have thus far shown that instead of being a signal to “pause and meditate’, that the word Selah in the bible is 1). an actual, literal, historical place that still exists today, and 2). it is the likely hiding place of the Jews in the Tribulation due to the many descriptive clues given it from scripture. Now we will attempt to tie it all together with a little-taught insight as to the placement of the word Selah in the bible.

The placement of the word Selah in the bible brings to light precious new insight as to events that will be going on during the Great Tribulation, and offers a tantalizing connection between Selah Petra and the believing Jews when they flee to hide from Antichrist. It goes like this:

Anywhere you find the word Selah in the Old Testament, you will find, nearly always, either in the few verses above it or below it, a reference to the Second Coming of Christ at the end of the Tribulation.

For example, in Psalm 24, we find the word Selah twice:

“This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.” Psalm 24:6 (KJV)

“Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.” Psalm 24:10 (KJV)

And all through this passage we see direct references to the Second Coming:

“Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle.” Psalm 24:8,9 (KJV)

Moving on to Psalm 46, we see it again:

“The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.” Psalm 46:11 (KJV)

“The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.” Psalm 46:6 (KJV)

It doesn’t matter where you look, the word Selah is almost always associated together and found with direct, overt references to the Second Coming of Jesus. And it is the opinion of this author that that is exactly why the Lord placed the word Selah where He placed it. So that as we, the generation of the last days, saw these things approaching, we would have renewed confidence that everything in God’s word could be trusted totally and completely.

Think about this as we conclude:

• Jesus is called the Rock, Selah Petra means rock in Hebrew (Selah), and Greek (Petra). The bible was first written in Hebrew (OT), and in Greek (NT).

• Jesus shed blood, which pays for our sins and covers us, is red. Petra is a red, rock city of refuge. The Lord is both a rock AND a fortress – “The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.” Psalm 18:2 (KJV) As you read the rest of Psalm 18, you find reference after reference to God being the ‘rock’, the ‘refuge’, setting His people on ‘high places’, ‘leaping over walls’, etc.

• Petra is located next to the city of Wadi Musa, which means the ‘Valley of Moses’. The Jews fled by Moses out of Egypt in the Old Testament the same way that the Jews in the Tribulation will flee to Petra. And just as God supernaturally parted the Red Sea (there’s that word ‘red’ again!), God will supernaturally keep the Jews safe and protected in Petra.

• Petra is at the entrance to the land of Edom. The prophet Daniel says that when the Antichrist appears, he will devour all the areas around Israel, except for Edom where Petra is. “He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.Daniel 11:41 (KJV)

• In Isaiah 16, we see the Lord’s ‘outcasts’ hiding in the land of Moab right before He returns at the end of the Tribulation to set up His 1,000 year reign. “Send ye the lamb to the ruler of the land from Sela to the wilderness, unto the mount of the daughter of Zion. For it shall be, that, as a wandering bird cast out of the nest,so the daughters of Moab shall be at the fords of Arnon. Take counsel, execute judgment; make thy shadow as the night in the midst of the noonday; hide the outcasts; bewray not him that wandereth. Let mine outcasts dwell with thee, Moab; be thou a covert to them from the face of the spoiler: for the extortioner is at an end, the spoiler ceaseth, the oppressors are consumed out of the land. And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness.” Isaiah 16:1-5 (KJV)

“Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD’S anger.” Zephaniah 2:3 (KJV)

“Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save..” Isaiah 63:1 (KJV)

Could it be that when Jesus returns to save His people from the Antichrist, that He will stop at Petra, which is Bozrah, and bring His people home?

Remember the Old Testament saints that where waiting in Abraham’s Bosom for Jesus to come and get them and bring them home? Jesus went down there and preached to those who were not getting out, sealing their doom, and then preached to the ones in Abraham’s Bosom and took them with Him to Glory. We believe that at His Second Coming, Jesus will stop at Selah Petra with us, His Church, on horseback, wipe out the rebellion, ‘dying His garments red’ in their blood, and then release those hiding in the rocks and take them with Him to Glory on earth for His 1,000 Year Reign of peace on this earth.

These verses from Revelation 19 show us the Day when we, the blood-washed, born again Church and Body of Jesus Christ, will return with Him on white horses to rescue His people the Jews and to fight the Battle of Armageddon:

“And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.” Revelation 19:11-14 (KJV)

Soon and very soon…keep looking up!

NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he has a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.

  • Kerry Anderson

    Wow! What a study and connection! Thank you Geoffrey! May God continue His favor upon you in the study of His Word… 🙂

    • INTERESTING NOTE: The word Selah does not appear one, single time in the NIV, but it appears 75 times in the King James 1611 Authorized Version Holy Bible. Now WHY do you think that would be? Who would possibly want to hide from you prophecy time clues about the Second Coming of Jesus Christ? Hmmm….

      • Kerry Anderson

        My NIV has Selah in it. Now I can’t say if some have been removed. The one I have has a renewed copyright in 2008. Maybe it was taken out when Zondervan publishing was sold? If your using an app it probably the latest version. Which I am sure has been tainted.. But no worries I use my KJV daily. 🙂

        • The NIV board removed all references to the word SELAH in 2011, further proving that the NIV is not a Bible, but a book written by demons who are busy rewriting the word of God.

          • AndrewA

            That is extremely infuriating to me. Especially after I read their justification for it.

            They have no idea why God included it and to arbitrarily say it was never meant to be spoken is an assumption.

          • Suez

            Boy, you can say that again. It is interesting and very sad, that you can’t go into hardly any churches that don’t have that wicked NIV sticking out of the pew holders!!! I have a question. I know this also happened in 70 AD. So is this a two fold prophecy? For the former and the later days? It hast to be, as it sure happened in 70AD. Only the Believers of Jesus ran out of that city and made it. Because they remembered the words of Jesus! “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.” Luke 21:20-23 (KJV) So, it will happen again also,,,right?

      • Ben Starchenko


        The King James 1611 authorized version includes the Apocrypha. Should it?

    • Steven S Mhango

      All this is happening so that the Bible prophecy may be fulfilled.
      The Bible says God will send us The Spirit of Truth who will show us
      of things to come;

      John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

      Satan thinks he is running his own agenda, not knowing that he is actually fulfilling God’s Agenda.

  • AndrewA

    I just found your article “The Meaning Of The Word Selah In The Bible” a few days ago and then I get to now read this.

    It is very eye opening. Taking the context of what your saying and applying it to the psalms where Selah is mentioned it adds a new layer never noticed.

    Thanks really thanks.

    Also makes me think that all the psalms you see Selah are actuly meant to be song by the remnant during the tribulation.

    • Perhaps I will make this a series, with one installment on the Songs of the Tribulation, thanks for the input!

      • AndrewA

        Well if you do it I am sure it will be a great series and great articles. I also agree with Marian on missing your study.

        Wish the best.

      • Terri

        Please do Geoffrey.

  • Leslie Beaumont

    Yes, wow…that is a study and a half. It will take awhile to “unpack” it all. I cannot wait to see Jesus!

    • Yes, LOTS of unpacking to do here! The Lord revealed the truth about Selah to me over a long period of time. When you run ALL the references I mention, it gets crazy deep. But that’s one of the main jobs of the Holy Spirit, to lead us into “all truth”, right?

      As you “unpack” this, please let me know if you have any questions. Thx!

  • Larry / vietnamvet1971

    Interesting, good word as we watch prophecy happen all around us.

  • I remember doing this bible study on the NTEB radio,
    it was fascinating, Petra is were the Jews flee during
    the great tribulation and are protected by God !

    The Jews who fail to heed the warnings in Math 24:15-16
    will have to deal with the Antichrist and his armies. It also
    inadvertently paints a picture of a pre tribulation rapture
    of the church if you read Math 24 :13 ” But he that shall
    endure unto the end, the same shall be saved, a salvation
    by works not grace, Also Rev 14:12 Here is the patience
    of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments
    of God, and the faith of Jesus, also a works plus faith based
    salvation but Not grace ! No mention of the church on earth
    while the Jews are protected in the red rock city of Petra.

    When reading studies like this you can’t help but notice
    surrounding scriptures, related to Daniels 70th week,
    and the horrific conditions that mankind will go through !
    it really is an amazing study !

    • Yes, the main reason why the Church is not here for the Tribulation is because it is the time of JACOB’S trouble (Jeremiah 30:7 KJV). NO Christian in 2,000 years was ever asked to “endure to the end to be saved”, but those living in the Tribulation certainly will have to do that.

      Thx for writing!

      • Ben Starchenko


        In response to your line “NO Christian in 2,000 years was ever asked to “endure to the end to be saved””. Please can you confirm who Jesus was talking to in Revelation 3:

        3 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

        2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

        3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

        4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

        5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

        Also, if no Christian in 2,000 years ever had to “endure to the end”, why did Paul state:

        2 Timothy 4:

        6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.

        7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

        8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

        Because Paul has “kept the faith”, therefore he will be a given a crown of righteousness.

        Thanks Buddy……

        • AndrewA

          No were in the cited Revelation verse does Jesus say you have to endure until the end to be saved. Only what happens for those who overcome.

          He says make ready be prepared but never says you must die to be saved.

          Being a martyr does not guarantee your salvation. To die for salvation would be a work to boast my friend and Paul clearly states In Ephesians chapter 2 verse 7-9

          7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

          8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

          9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

          Paul clearly shows here salvation is a free gift given out of faith and nothing else. You are looking for works through martyrdom that is not how you get saved.

          As for 2 Timothy Notice Paul didn’t say I kept the faith “so I was saved.”

          That is because Paul considered himself already saved and merely stated he knew what awards awaited him in heaven.

          He was already assured in his salvation. He did not have to die to get it he already had it.

          Finally you are trying to combine “kept the faith” in 2 Timothy with “endure until the end.” Paul never said endure until the end in fact the verse in Revelation you cited does not say it ether and the reason is you don’t have to endure until the end to be saved. You only have to have faith and believe in Jesus the Christ.

          • AndrewA

            Correction on my Ephesians answer.

            Salvation is a free gift given out of Grace due to Faith.

            That is how and why you are saved.

          • Ben Starchenko


            Thanks for your response, but you did not deal with the following verse in Revelation 3:

            5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life

            In order to “NOT” have your name blotted out of the book of life, you need to overcome. Therefore, it is possible for your name to be blotted out of the book of life. Is having your name in the book of life eternal life? What happens when your name is removed/blotted from the book of life? This is not talking about rewards……I’m also unsure how you equate overcoming with martyrdom. Overcoming in keeping the faith.

            Paul sated that “he kept the faith” therefore……..What if he didn’t keep the faith? Is it possible to not keep the faith? I agree wholeheartedly that salvation is a gift of God given out of faith. But what if i don’t keep the faith?

            Paul is stating that Salvation is a journey, its a fight, its a course, keeping the faith. It’s not a moment. He fought, he finished, he kept. Noticed these are written as “I”. Is this therefore a works based salvation? Or are they proof of salvation? Was Paul boasting of works as you stated? If Paul was so sure of his Salvation, why was he pleased he had “fought”, “finished” and “Kept” the faith? If he hadnt completed any of these would he still have a crown of righteousness ready for him?

            Your closing statement clearly is contradictory to Revelation 3:5 – this verse clearly shows that if you don’t overcome, that your name will be blotted out of the book of life. It couldn’t be clearer stating “Don’t endure, name blotted”.

          • AndrewA

            Ben starchenko I will be honest. I did not address the verse because it was outside the point.

            You where saying that we had to endure until the end to be saved. To be saved you have to believe that is all Paul says in his epistles. If you want I don’t have to just cite Ephesians Romans ch 10 verse 8-10 which makes it absolutely clear.

            Romans ch 10 verse 8-10
            8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
            9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
            10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
            Paul says confess with your mouth believe in your heart and you are saved. No conditions where stated in chapter 10 to say salvation would be taken away. That seems like a gross error on Paul’s part to say just do this and be saved and not say what the catch is that would nullifies salvation? The only conclusion that can be made is there is no catch.

            Also Paul makes clear on something interesting in Romans Chapter 1 verse 17.

            17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

            Catch the Righteousness of God revealed from Faith to Faith?

            What do you think that means? I can tell you the answer by your faith God reveals his Righteousness to your faith. It is confirmed and no longer a leap into the unknown. God on your faith reveals the truth so you will Forever know his righteousness you cant lose you faith once he reveals his Righteousness to you.

            This should answer what would happen if you lose faith.

            You cant lose faith in God his truth is shown to you by your faith.

            On Paul’s Journey. He was not stating faith was a journey he was stating his work and sacrifice for God was a journey. He fulfilled his commission as an apostle spreading the Gospel of Grace as Jesus commanded him to do. That was his fight and Journey to go out into the world and show God’s Truth and he was satisfied with what he had done and at peace for he did everything God asked him to do.

            His crown of Righteousness is for loving of the Lords appearing and he wont be the only one to get it. Which he states in that very verse.

            As for Revelation 3:5 You need to know what Overcoming means. Interestingly John (who wrote Revelation) defines it in one of his letters.

            1 John chapter 5 verse 4-5

            4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
            5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

            By Johns definition if you do what Paul said in Romans chapter 10 verse 9 you have overcome. So all who confess with their mouth and believe in their heart have already Overcome and get the Rewards spoken of.

            I hope this answers your questions.

          • Ben Starchenko


            I wrote a long response, but when i went to post it it failed. So instead of re-writing. Please can you explain the following verses to me:

            Exodus 32:31-33
            Then Moses returned to the LORD, and said, “Alas, this people has committed a great sin, and they have made a god of gold for themselves. “But now, if You will, forgive their sin–and if not, please blot me out from Your book which You have written!” The LORD said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

            Sounds exactly like Revelation 3:5

            “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.” Hebrews 6:4-6.

            “For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. 2 Peter 2:21,22.

            Please read the following article.


          • AndrewA


            Romans ch 3 verse 23
            23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

            By the standard you are making with Exodus all of us have sinned and should be blotted out. We are all in trouble if their is no concept of Grace. You have to realize the point of the Law. It is to convict and show God is Just in his judgment it is not meant to save. We all start out with are names blotted out from the book of life.

            A perfect sacrifice is needed to fulfill the law.

            Interestingly John again answers your statement.

            John chapter 1 verse 16-17
            16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

            17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

            By the Law God declared we are to be blotted out due to are sin against him. By are faith in Jesus and overcoming the world as said in 1 John that I already cited we are saved due to Grace.

            I also would like to point out your argument right now is that even though we have shown Overcoming is believing in Jesus and thus becoming a son of God that some how you can be disqualified and God will spiritually unborn you from him.

            Please show my this concept of being spiritually unborn again in scripture. Paul and John go to great lengths talking about being born again of Spirit. Surely they would of talked about the chance of being spiritually unborn again as a warning for all followers and made it just as clear.

            As for your cite of 2 Peter it is talking of Jews who have rejected the Messiah not born again Christians.

            As for Hebrews 6 Geoffry Grider has an article called:

            “The Bible Believers Guide To Reconciling Hebrews 6 With The Doctrine Of Eternal Security”

            I agree with it so I invite you to read it.


            Have a good one.

          • Ben Starchenko


            How did you come to the conclusion that Peter is talking to the Jews, and is he was, what would it matter…..

            2 Peter 1:1
            1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Savior Jesus Christ:
            2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

            The first verse of 2 Peter tells us exactly who he is talking to. He is talking to “Them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and Savior Jesus Christ”. He is talking to fellow Christians…….

            Your explanation of Exodus makes no sense either. These are the same jews that God had rescued from Egypt, and had made an agreement with. They then went and broke that agreement, and guess what, Blotted out of the book. Exactly as we are warned in the “Letters to the Churches” in revelation multiple times.

            The Letters to the Churches in Revelation are the only time in the Bible that Jesus is addressing his Church directly. He is trying to tell us something important, whilst directing us.

            What does he say?

            Revelation 2
            4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

            5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

            First church, i will remove thy candlestick. What does that mean. Check out where else candlestick is mentioned.

            Revelation 1
            10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

            11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

            12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

            13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

            So the candlesticks are in Heaven. So therefore, if you don’t repent and come back to your first love, your candlestick will be removed….from heaven. It’s very clear.

            Revelation 2
            16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

            17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

            Again, repent OR i will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. What is it sword of Jesus’s mouth…..its scripture. In other words he will point out were you didnt follow his commands…..Funny thing is he then talks about overcoming again (keeping the faith)

            Revelation 2
            21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

            22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

            23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

            Whats that Jesus said? i will give everyone according to your works? Cast into tribulation unless you repent?

            Revelation 2
            26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

            This is a good one, because it clarifies overcoming, as also keepeth my works unto the end……

            Revelation 3
            2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

            3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

            4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

            5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

            Works not perfect before God? Hold fat to what you heard and received? Which have no defiled their garments? They are worthy……So if i defiled my garments im not worthy? Overcoming again, blotting out his name?

            Revelation 3
            10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

            11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

            12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

            Kept the word of my patience, Hold fast, him that overcometh……these sound like works….

            Revelation 3
            21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

            Again, overcoming.

            I’m sorry, but the bible could not be clearer about this. I for one, love the idea of “Once Saved, Always Saved”. It appeals to my flesh, but who was it in the garden of eden who twisted God’s words to appeal to the flesh. once Saved, Always Saved sounds very much like the lie from the garden…..

            I spent 20 years out of the church, after living a godly life up till i was 20. I was saved, baptised and lived according to God’s commands BUT i left and then lived how i wanted to. I became the prodigal son. If i died whilst living in my rebellion whilst drinking, drugs, sex etc, i would have surely ended up in Hell. I was extremely lucky to come back to God in time, and i thank him everyday for his provision to let me live through this time until i found my senses.

            The Prodigal Son

            Luke 11:24
            24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

            Notice what the father says. My son was dead, but is alive again…… In order to become alive again, means you were alive before. The Father here is explaining to the other Brother that when he left he became dead to me, but now that he has returned he is Alive to me again.

            The amount of times pastors use this very story to try and prove OSAS and yet the story tells the exact opposite. It is possible to be alive, then become dead, then become alive AGAIN……

            32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

            Just incase we don’t get it, Jesus repeats the same line again in verse 32.

            Finally, as for being blotted out of the book of life because of our sin. We are not in the book of life from the beginning, we need to be added……the bible teaches us that we are “Dead in our Sins”, we are “Emnity against God”, we arent in his book until we are re-born, until that point we are dead……how can we be in a Book of Life unless we become alive… therefore being blotted out of the book of life, means that we can become Alive, but then die. Just as the story of the Prodigal Son teaches us.

            If i am wrong, i will happily repent of my error and change. My opinions matter not, only God’s. God is truth, i am but a lowly servant.

            But from reading my Bible, from cover to cover, the continual theme is sin/repentance/salvation/sin/repentance/salvation…… we do have eternal security, IF we keep our faith in God and his Son. Once we no longer have faith, nothing can save us…..It’s the unforgivable sin

          • FJ

            Hi Andrew

            Just some thoughts:

            overcoming; is enduring till the end. We run our race daily. Satan is constantly wanting to devour us.

            Paul says run in such a way that you will finish the race & not be disqualified. There are rules about staying in the lines drawn by God for our own benefit as well as building the Kingdom of God around us. Being salt & light in the world by living according to God’s desire. This separates us from the rest of the world that draw their information for living from the tree of BOTH good & evil instead of the TREE of LIFE which is God’s Word.

            This brings us to the fullness of the prize through the works of righteousness that Peter I think talks of when he describes how he shows his Faith by works (of righteousness.) & challenges those who use their intellect to say they have Faith

            FAITH without works is DEAD according to him. The alternative is to run Satan’s race which is to continue sinning deliberately once you know what God requires of us in HIS Law. Satan who promises us everything NOW but really only delivers us up to death of the body through sin &…the 2nd death of treating Christ’s blood in the wrong way by not accepting it foremost or despising the gift received. (righteousness is not sinning & 1 John 3:4-5 tells us sin is the breaking of the Law.)

            Why would Paul say work out your salvation with fear & trembling to believers if there is no chance of turning away from God’s salvation deliberately because of a hard heart. (disobedient to God) How severely did the Spirit treat Sapphira and Ananais for lying about the sale of the house? A bit like the OT Nadab & Abihu for bringing strange fire before God. Ie not lawful. or the people struck down for worshipping God in the ways of the Nations at the Golden Calf incident Mt Sinai. ie not lawful

            Or the OT Grace shown to king David for arranging a murder of Bathsheba’s husband & committing adultery with her? ie. forgiveness of the repentant but weak flesh of David & Bathsheba who knowingly sinned against God’s Law from the proscribed death penalty?
            Whereas king Shaul’s reign is punctuated by disobedience to God’s specific commands from the Prophet Samuel & to the Law from early times. Shauls’ progressive disobediences further strained the relationship & Shaul ended up consulting a medium which in its finality led to the loss his reign to David & affliction by an evil spirit sent by God. Shaul never seemed to understand the significance of the importance of obedience as part of true worship & therefore was never written of as sitting in sackcloth & ashes and fasting/mourning etc over his sin towards God but instead was interested in saving ‘face’ with his men before Samuel instead of deep sorrow & regret for what he had done to God’s trust in him……

            You are whom’s you obey. Known Unrepentant sin seems not to be forgiven by God. Deliberate meditated sin in a believer may be forgiven by God’s grace to the sincerely repentant alone. Psalms say he will never turn away a repentant heart but the false worshipper is on very shaky ground as the Holy Spirit may be grieved and insulted to the point of impossible reconciliation. The sin that leads to death…. Sin done in accidental ignorance is covered by Grace of God’s elect in Christ and probably I would suggest those whom have lived righteously apart from knowledge of the Law. Judgment begins at the household of God….

            If a God fearer can barely be saved what will happen to those who do not believe?

            Salvation is not intended as ticket entry to wonderland paid entirely by Christ’s blood. It is a process of being made fit for Heaven & eternal life. It is an action of re-making Covenant we broke with the Creator of the Universe before we knew God or Christ.
            This entirely possible only because of God’s love towards His Creation in sending the Lamb slain before the Foundation of the World. The Law stands apart from man & though it slays us it is entirely good, Holy, spiritual & true. (Please read Psalm 119)

            This second opportunity is where we are washed clean of sin to start afresh to live out God’s Eternal Covenant which is the Constitution of a Country ruled from God’s Throne in Heaven. That is why we are sojourners here as we wait, not having a place of our own until Christ returns.

            When a person acknowledges their sin before God & REPENTS and accepts forgiveness of sin he or she becomes responsible to live according to the Covenant/Constitution again. God is the stronger party who provided the forgiveness & we are now responsible to the terms that God Himself calls for from us. If we were not aware of all this entails we now start on a journey of coming to know God and His ways. It is how we clothe ourselves in white in Revelation.

            Remember the guy who turned up to the wedding feast without wedding clothes got thrown out!

            Salvation is a ticket to have entry to Your personal New Series of the Race for Eternal Life. None is worthy to be considered. Many are called and few are chosen. If your heart attitude desires God He will strengthen & teach you to overcome the flesh & live in the power of the Spirit the ways God has already determined in the Eternal Covenant/Constitution that apply to the whole of mankind so we can all live in peace together & worship God in Spirit & Truth. (Please read the last couple of verses of Ecclesiastes).

            Righteous people are NOT perfect in the bible or on earth presently but are in the process of becoming better lovers of God’s ways to become part of the bride that Christ would want to marry when He comes back. Righteous people are humble enough to be corrected by the Word of God which is definitely NOT the doctrines of demons or men. Righteous people become living sacrifices which means giving up their personal old way of life(death through sin) to do God’s will instead.

            Many will no doubt be saved as if by fire but their “works” will be burnt up and their reward in the World to Come may be reduced or ‘just’ be eternal life and not the wonders God had in store for those who truly love Him …The Obedient who are more like His Son Y’shua.

            Take care be blessed in Truth

      • AndrewA


        (I have answer to all you said explaining Exodus, 2 Peter and the other cites. I will give a short address to 2 Peter but I am most interested if you could please respond to what comes after it as that is what is preventing me with agreeing with your position)

        On 2 Peter ch 2 If you look at the first Verse of Chapter 2 Peter is referencing the Scribes and Pharisees who rejected Jesus and warns like them more will come. People claiming to be Christians but who truly reject Jesus as their savoir and will be false teachers that is what sets the tone for all of chapter 2. It is a comparison of Jews who rejected Jesus to future false Christians who will also reject him.

        Now what I really need answered.

        You seem to be Ignoring what John said Overcoming was and have failed to address it.

        John clearly said you overcome if you are spiritually reborn.

        So you need to show me where God says you can have your victory that is overcoming taken away.

        You stance has forced me to create a new word to describe the position. Your position is we can be reborn of the sprite thus overcome. (as stated in 1 John) yet somehow later we can Unovercome.

        Please show me where it says you can Unovercome.

    • Ben Starchenko


      Please can you explain to me the following:

      1. Why is endurance “works”. Why is keeping the faith “works”. If these were actually works as you state, then believing in the gospel when first saved is also works. Your faith, or belief is works you have carried out. Why would the continuation of your initial belief be works?

      2. To use Jesus’ own words. John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

      Now it has been argued that Jesus’ mission was to the Jews, so therefore he was talking to the Jews. How then do we reconcile the following:

      1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

      1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

      2 John 6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

      The above passages are pretty clear about who knows Jesus Christ, its by what we do.

      How do we reconcile James 2: 14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

      15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

      16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

      17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

      18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

      19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

      20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

      Interested to hear your thoughts?

      • Hi Ben, believing in the Gospel when first saved is
        not a work, otherwise Eph 2:8-9 would be nullified
        wouldn’t it ?

        Eph 2:8-9 KJV
        For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not
        of yourselves: it isthe gift of God:
        Not of WORKS, lest any man should boast.

        Endurance is mentioned in Mathew 24:13 when
        the disciples asked Jesus ” what shall be the sign
        of thy coming and the end of the world ” the church
        is not asked to endure to the end for salvation, the
        church is saved by Grace ! The age of Grace ends
        with the rapture. During the age of Grace believers
        are sealed with the Holy Spirit as a deposit.

        Eph 1:13-14 KJV
        In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the
        word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in
        whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed
        with that holy Spirit of promise,
        Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the
        redemption of the purchased possession, unto
        the praise of his glory.

        The redemption takes place at your earthly death
        or the rapture of the church. There is no continuation
        for the church on earth after the rapture, we return
        with Christ in Rev 19:14 on horses. The rapture happens
        in rev 4:1

        Nobody is sealed during the tribulation, except the
        144000 Jews from the 12 tribes. Rev 7:4 .Everybody
        else has to maintain their own salvation. It is regarded
        by God as works.

        Rev 14:12 KJV
        Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the
        commandments of God and their faith in Jesus

        Rev14:13 KJV
        saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which
        die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit,
        that they may rest from their LABOURS; and their
        WORKS do FOLLOW them.

        Paul repeatedly tells you your salvation is by grace alone
        and not works. The works that you do are out of gratitude
        and not part of your salvation. You get rewards at the
        seat of Christ. 2 Cor 5:10

        Gal 2:16 KJV
        Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of
        the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we
        have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be
        justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works
        of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be

        Works during the age of Grace is not part of your
        salvation, but receives rewards at the seat of Christ.
        If you think you are working for your salvation ?
        Remember, God sees our works as filthy rags !

        You are saved by grace ! Peace !

        • Sorry correction, the real KJV

          Rev 14:12-13 KJV
          Here is the patience of the saints: here are they
          that keep the commandments of God, and the
          faith of Jesus.
          And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me,
          Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord
          from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may
          rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

  • Skywatcher

    I agree with AndrewA! Very thought provoking, informative, and encouraging! Thank you, Geofrey! I enjoy all your articles and hope you continue to keep up the great work!

    I cannot but help to recognize that a lot of very valuable theological information is now coming to the forefront as the end draws nigh. It reminds me of God’s instruction to Daniel in his writngs re: the last days…to seal up the book until this time; there would be secrets revealed that many bible scholars in times past did not have but is now coming to light in our day! Bless God! This is a very sure indicator that our Savior is coming very soon!

    As a side note, did I ever take heat from an assistant pastor after church yesterday when I attempted to tell him he was using a counterfeit bible, which didn’t line up with my KJV. (Firstly, I had to tell him how very heartbreaking it was to see the worship leader sitting up front playing the piano, wearing a mini skirt, showing off what I don’t believe was actually for sale. We’ll see if that gets corrected.) It will make me totally uncomfortable to attend that church any longer because of his hostile attitude toward my willingness to attempt to alert him to the dangers of these phony bibles. He was totally unreceptive and deceived to the point that he rudely ended the conversation, but not before I said to him as I left his office, “Either my Bible or yours is the truth; they BOTH cannot be true! You decide which one it is.” I should have literally shaken the dust off of my sandals before leaving his office. Much of the church leadership today is so deceived and not even willing to look at the copious evidence that strongly supports the KJV! I believe the “strong delusion” spoken of in 2 Thess. has begun via this instrument!


    • We are living in the Last Time, and Jesus CLEARLY states in Revelation 3 that the last church is Laodicea – cold, dead and self-focused. I sadly see many, many pastors and prominent Bible teachers across America falling by the wayside like flies. No one wants to preach and teach Bible DOCTRINE anymore, people have replaced faith with feelings. But for those of us who love the Lord and His word, He is still pleased to reveal prophecy nuggets like those contained here in this article. So glad it is a blessing to you.

      Keeping standing on God’s PRESERVED word, and keep looking up. It’s almost time! (Titus 2:13 KJV)

      • JT

        I noticed you sidestepped the statement about the KJV being the “Bible of truth” as Skywatcher assumes it is. We place a lot of faith on the KJV being a true translation even from your previous post about the SOP being the Son Of Perdition. I love prophecy, and truth, but I also like to hear how KJV vs ESV etc. stands up. I’m definitely opposed to the NLT and MSG versions as they are mere interpretations, and flawed at that, but to say to someone using a NIV, or ESV that only one Bible can be correct seems a bit strong of a statement to make. Thoughts??

        • LOL, I did not “sidestep” anything. My defense of the KJV as God’s preserved word is quite well known at this point. But I will say this. In the NIV, for example, you have uncorrected, outright mistakes mixed in with obvious demonic deception. For example, in Mark 1:1-3 (KJV), it talks about “the prophets” and quotes from them both – Malachi 3 and Isaiah 40. But the NIV wrongly attributes BOTH references to Isaiah. Huge mistake. In Revelation 13:1 (KJV), John says he is standing on the shore. But the NIV says that it’s the Devil who is standing on the shore. Why on earth would the NIV say this?? Please visit our KJV archive for more cool stuff on why the KJV is God’s preserved word:

          • JT

            I was aware of many discrepancies in the NIV, but the one about the devil standing on the shore I had not heard of before. Thanks for the link to the archive. I’ll be checking that out. 🙂

          • JT

            Okay, 1 John 5:7 is enough in itself! I need more time in study. Even the ESV simply says there are three that testify and that’s IT!!! Even the NKJV says bear witness instead of RECORD!!! Ok, I’m done, back to my reading. 🙂

          • Dean

            I have been looking into the differences between kjv and niv.using they have a note after 1 john 5:7 regarding the missing Father,Holy Spirit, and the word.they explain that ” late manuscripts of the vulgate include these however they are not found in any Greek manuscript before the fourteenth century.
            What do you make of this?

          • Skywatcher

            Geoffrey, although I do not approve (with God’s blessing), the corrupt Bible per-versions that are out there, I must tell you that your statement above re: NIV saying the devil was standing on the shore is incorrect.

            I keep copies of these errant versions to compare with the KJV and to prove to others that they are phony. My NIV perversion does NOT say the devil was standing on the shore. You may have this confused with another one of the phonies.


          • James

            Hi,I would like to offer some comments about this man made soup concerning the most important subject on the face of all the earth.When I was a just saved Christian fifty nine years ago.I lived in an isolated community in the deep south.I did not understand the bible,but the HOLY SPIRIT was constantly leading me to answers I needed to know, some are as follows:
            1.In revelation Jesus repeated the statement “He that overcomes,etc.I almost walked away,how could I overcome the world”.The Spirit led me to John,and I received my answer.”Who is he that overcometh the world,but he that believeth that Christ is the Son of God”.
            2.I could never accept that the Bible was written willy nilly at the whims of Men.My reasoning was that God would send his Son to Die and suffer and all the suffering of the prophets,and the apostles and us,and let Men change his words.God is all power, and that he would never allow such a finger is getting tired thanks for your time and may the Lord Jesus be with you all.

        • Skywatcher

          JT, we do not have the privilege of having the original manuscripts of the Holy Bible, but we DO have thousands of manuscripts and fragments of the originals! God said in His Word that He would preserve it and that it would endure forever. Bless God, He has done just that!

          Thankfully, these ancient manuscripts prove the inerrancy and infallibility of the KJV…WORD FOR WORD! However, you will notice that sometimes in a passage, there is a word in italics. That means it was missing from the manuscript copy or copies they had at hand to work with, but it is NEVER a word that changes the doctrine of Scripture! It was usually a word that many learned and committed men of God have spent many hours praying about as to what that missing word would be. They only inserted the missing word after coming together and ALL agreeing upon it. Men of God back then took such a feat as extremely serious! After all, they had the God of the Book to be accountable to…

          These modern per-versions were taken from the Alexandrian Texts that the early church fathers deemed and rejected as heresy. One doesn’t have to read far into them before they recognize this! I hope this helps!

      • Skywater

        My dear brother in Christ, Geoffrey,

        Thank you, for the encouragement! I have been a Christian for almost 50 years, and I’m finding the climate in all the the Christian churches in my area to be extremely cold, insensitive, and deceived by these demonically induced counterfeit bibles.

        I have a manuscript of 32 type-written pages I did up, showing a great many errors, omissions and additions to the Holy Bible (as one can imagine in that kind of space)! It also includes background information of some of the homosexual and satanist members on the “translation” team, responsible for the adulteration of God’s Word and their agenda behind it all! Is there any way I can get it to you so you can peruse it and share it with “whosoever will”?

        • JT

          Skywater & Geoffrey,

          If possible I would love to get a hold of a copy as well. By the way what’s the difference between the “Authorized KJV”, and the “KJV”?

          • JT

            Nevermind that question as I see it answered above. The authorized version contains the apocrypha.

          • Skywatcher

            JT: if you will email me: I’ll gladly send you a copy of the manuscript! Be prepared to be shocked!!!

      • Ben Starchenko


        I noticed that you used Revelation 3 as scripture to describe the current evangelical Church. I agree with you wholeheartedly.

        What i do question, is the following is the continuation of the same letter:

        Revelation 3: 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

        This very same letter talks about the believer overcoming, as the letter is to a Church. Do we therefore as believers have to overcome? keep the faith?

    • Thank you!!!

    • FJ

      Hi Sky watcher

      just a word to the wise. KJV as all other translations is not the original tongue. The best and most accurate translation comes from getting what is called an interlinear Bible that has the original Hebrew or Greek generally taken from either the oldest of & or most complete texts available. Each word is given a dictionary like meaning into English so you can actually check if the KJV, NIV or whatever you read is giving an accurate rendition as each word for word.

      If you do this you will find we have been given a lot of hogwash by the translators to continue to teach us a lot of doctrine of demons & not Gods Truth. Gave me a wake up call as to how gullible and trusting of wolves in sheep’s clothing I had been trusting my Salvation & reward to those ‘professionals’ who trusted their teachers generation after generation. Frightening…..

      The other thing is that the wolves have been running the place for so long & have taught a lot of things that are actually against what God wants from us & that is real hard to come up against and admit you may have believed and practised the lie. Just remember God forgives us of repented sin & only the whole word of God Bible translated correctly shows us what those sins are.

      (It is why you find mini – skirts & all sorts of sexual sin tolerated and now encouraged as normal behaviour in churches, instead of God’s ways.

      True believers leave this daughter of Babylon & seek the faith once given. And it is very different to what Christianity has ended up teaching. You will find the truth is the way Jesus lived as our example…………..Have posted another comment with links. Use a lexicon & interlinear bible and get light years away from the lies as fast as you can. Blue Letter Bible is free on-line & e-Sword too.
      Find out what a Natsarene is because that is what Paul was as a follower of the Way. In Hebrew it is branch & Jesus was a Netzer(Hebrew) is the root of the branch of Jesse that we are grafted into as wild branches.

      Download this free pdf from the first link on page & sit down to read it… checks out! Then pass it on!
      Live and breath God’s Truth
      Be blessed

  • Sueawatcher

    Thankyou Geoffrey for the amazing study. As usual you give us much ti think about. Bless you.

  • Marian

    I miss your Sunday evening Bible studies! This column is helpful, but you have a talent for public speaking and a voice quality that is so easy on the ears.

    • Thank you! The radio show, Lord willing, will be back soon!

  • Peterson

    From: Peterson

    GOOD ON YOU!! Mr.Grider, your clues using GOD’s Word have been well received and I believe I have never read anything as good as this on this subject. I will share this with my group lists.

    I also want to say that I did research on your email about the S.O.P My research took me to a man I highly regard who has now passed on to Glory. He is Derrick Prince who was a highly intelligent scholar and a man who lived his entire adult life to follow CHRIST. He had written the very thing matching also what you conveyed in you email. about Judas – The S.O.P.
    I also discovered it online in other places but I totally trust Derrick Prince.

    Though we will continue to disagree on Pentecost and the ministry for the Church thereof, I do thank you for your emails on many other things.

    I do understand anger and I pray that you can get yours under control and allowing HOLY GOD SPIRIT to lead you into meekness.


  • Jose

    It doesn’t seem very safe if it’s already known that the hiding place of the Jews will be Petra. there will always be a Doeg (1Sa 21:7) that will betray them

    • No, why not? Does not the ENTIRE Bible already tell you how it all ends and who wins and loses? If Satan were smart, wouldn’t he CHANGE his strategy? Yet, the Bible says he doesn’t. He is shown the end and he STILL loses. That’s how AWESOME our God is….God still wins even when He broadcasts all the secrets ahead of time!

      Yay, Jesus!

  • Nancy

    Dear Geoffrey:

    Thank you! Please do make this a series – so many are not taught how to read their Bibles.

    Best, Nancy

  • This is so awesome – I have goosebumps! Thank you!

  • BibleBeliever

    Very interesting article. However, the 2 versions of Selah are actually two DIFFERENT Hebrew words with no etymological connection. The trusted KJV comes from the Textus Receptus or Received Text and the underlying Hebrew words can be searched online or in any decent Bible program which has the Strongs numbers.

    Love your site, love your PreTrib and KJV defense, LOVE your passion for the things of God.

  • Carolyn

    Just sayin’ – read about a lost tribe of Israel in “Across the Sabbath River”, by Hillel Halkin. He was surprised when they said they knew the meaning of the word “selah”. They were surprised that he didn’t know. They told him it means “repeat”, which makes a lot of sense in the middle of a Psalm. But a lot of their beliefs were not strictly Biblical, so they may have confused the meaning over time.

  • Jonas

    Who do you think the LORD will use??? The obedient ( “to obey is better than sacrifice, and harken than the fat of Rams”) what is our job ??? We are SUPPOSED to be witnesses of HIM (the way to salvation) not organization, denomination, etc.
    What is our sword ? The Unadulterated WORD of GOD !!! It’s great to see Geoffory preaching on the street, or any one else handing out tracts, not just preaching to the choir in churches.
    I wonder how many “pastors” have even gave out ONE tract, or talked to one other unknown person about salvation thru Jesus Christ in the last week?
    I guess our heads are so big with “knowledge” we can’t even get out the door!!, so, we sit on the Internet and try. To promote our ides, or find fault with others.
    TIME is short !!! Let us ALL get to work !!!
    Thanks again Geoffery, for using the WORD, and setting an excellent example,

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  • till now I was under the impression the word “Selah’ was a word used to inspire those worshiping Jews to stop for a moment and meditate. But Now for the first time my eyes are opened.
    Praise God for this valuable information.

  • 4Jesus4ever

    The American Capital will be moved to Denver,Colorado.What does “Colorado” mean?I heard a prophecy that stated the Chinese will invade and when they are close to Denver an event will occur and both armies will stop fighting.Mao’s Last march is not the one involved in the Chinese revolution but refers to the LAST MARCH of the last days.The Chinese army is about 100 million standing.Where have we read about this before?His little RED book is starting to get popular again in China.If any one wants to know the truth about how fundamental the deception the Christian Church is involved in(Bible translations,that pales in is not afraid of the truth,the real truth… Douglas Del Tondo’s book Jesus’ words only.And investigate Paul on your own.The Holy spirit will lead you.Your very salvation depends on your understanding the issues in Jesus’ words only.He also wrote another book.

  • Tina johnnie

    I just found this great and interesting article from u bro Grider,tanx a lot,but i would love to have more.

  • KAT (@KAT40811334)

    spot on……

  • My NIV translation has Sela or Selah listed over 75 times!

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  • W. W.

    Great analogy,
    However there is a blaring error in it that is not supported by scripture. You see the devil is clever and uses scripture with just enough truth to deceive even the very elect.
    You see Christ Jesus returns and does Not! touch the earth, for all the dead in Christ Rise first then those who are left alive and remain will Rise! to Meet them IN! the AIR!
    Then takes them to be with him in the many mansions he has prepared for us in heaven.
    Not! on this earth, we will be in heaven with Christ till the thousand years are finished, not on this earth.
    The devil is bound in the bottomless pit of the dark and void earth for that thousand years, with no one left to tempt all by himself.
    Then after the thousand years, New Jerusalem comes back to the earth with Christ to deal the final sentence to the wicked who are raised from death at that moment, and are then persuaded to attack, by the devil- the dragon, new Jerusalem , who( the devil) has deceived them into doing.
    Then the fire falls upon the earth Burning up the wicked and the devil to Never live again.
    That will be the second death of All the wicked to never Live again Death and hell will be destroyed.
    The world is has been remade by God.
    Thus we shall ever be with the lord.
    Know your scripture to be able to discern what is true.
    I will lift up my head along with the everlasting doors to wait for my savior and God who created me.

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  • FJ

    Hello Geoffrey,

    You are probably by accident misleading a lot of folk as there are two DIFFERENTLY spelt & DIFFERENT meaning Hebrew words that end up spelt THE SAME in English transliteration.

    Perhaps you only read the KJV & don’t check the actual Hebrew in a lexicon? You can use blue letter bible or e-Sword for free and check these out on-line or download apps to get to know God’s word well.

    You started out accusing another translation of falsehood by omission & standing on KJV and the reality is both are not correct.

    For truths’ sake (Jesus) I think you should check this out and write a retraction of the bits that aren’t right because the English translators haven’t shown us they are 2 separate words entirely. It would be good to educate others the way to go so they don’t get mislead in the future too.

    5542 {seh’-law} suspension (of music) ie. pause
    5554 {seh’-lah} Sela, the rock city of Idumea: rock (Idumea refers to the Edomites land the capital being Petra)

    There is no mystery if you use a lexicon. I suggest it will be a blessing to every person who wants to understand what God says to men to do this FIRST so as to reduce confusion & teach & live truth.

    Be blessed in being a Berean by checking thoroughly before engaging others.

    Read Jeremiah 8:8 and check out the word translated into the KJV English as vain.
    It is Hebrew word 8267{sheh’-ker} an untruth; by implication a sham, without a cause, deceitful, false, feignedly, liar, lie, vain (thing), wrongfully.

    I am sorry you started out accusing another translation of falsehood & standing on KJV alone when the reality is both are not correct in this matter. I know you are very keen to engage others to seek and stand up for truth.

    I just want genuine seekers to find out what is actually written & understand its implication and application for working out their salvation with fear and trembling …….

    We haven’t much time before Jacob’s trouble really hits. It will probably be hard to swallow because you thought you were preaching Truth but we both know only God’s Truth is the pill that heals & protects. All of us have often missed out on what God actually said and meant because of translations & each of us is responsible and able now because of computers & the internet to find out much more so easily. I do think you are a genuine bloke though.

    Perhaps you may find good material at look at ASSYRIANS video then Shabuah’s 120 years from the Bible many great MP3’s great free teaching especially on the Faith once Given & world events in relation to endtimes Hebrew & Greek linguist specialist who explains Hebrew idioms & history so you start to get at the truth of what was said from the mindset of those who walked with God & who’s live are recorded in your Bible in context. get an idea how far away God’s children are from understanding God’s way of measuring time lots of MP4 teaching on OT & NT concepts that have been skewed because of English translation producing out of context doctrine that Jesus never walked like. wondrous stuff about God’s word.

    As always spit out the bones and eat the meat……..{ Only keep what proves right and be prepared to lose what you were told was “true & written” from our modern mindset but is not truth. }

    Be blessed greatly in finding out Truth & SHARING it.
    Love in Christ

    • Selah and Sela are the same word, and they both refer to a PLACE, as my article so clearly points out. It is a roadmap clue to events that will be happening during the time of Jacob’s trouble. Thanks for writing 🙂

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  • FJ, I understand you points and concern. I also understand the concept of being Born Again very well. I can tell you from personal Experience I was not saved or continue to be saved by any of my own actions. The part that I do is faith any works that I have done or will do are not mine but God’s. He has planned for me to do them. You quote James in Saying Faith without works is Dead I remind you what Paul. said in Ephesians ch 2 verses 8-10 (KJV)

    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

    Finally on being born again is to Overcome the world. The words come from John specifically 1 John chapter 5 verse 4-5 (kjv). I will include verse 6 as it identifies Jesus as the born of God and that by believing in him you overcome. Thus my point. Verse 7 is included because I like to include it when ever I can as it is one of the few verses in the bible that shows the Trinity and that it is in fact not a made up concept.

    1 John Chapter 5 verse 4-5
    4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

    5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

    6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

    7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

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  • you need to be REALLY careful what and how you teach. The two words that you are referring to are completely different. One is a place yes. H5554 Sela w/ the root H5553 which means rock, crag, etc. The other in Psalms Selah H5542 is to lift up, exalt, a technical musical term from teh root H5541 to weigh. The first H5554 is a samech, lamed and ayin. The second H65542 is a samech, lamed, hey.

    I see too much in your posts where you do not do the proper research into things, and go back to the original Hebrew and root words to find their correct meanings. This is very serious. Very

  • I am wondering what city you live in?

  • 01e1ngvar

    Because NIV is MASONIC version of Bible. There’s Lucifer and Jesus are shifted.

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