The Charismatic Prosperity Movement Is Nothing More Than A ‘Christian’ Cult

Being led around on a dog leash, howling like a wolf, and insane, uncontrolled laughter are only a few of the Satanic manifestations present. If these things are happening in YOUR church, we advise you to RUN and GET OUT of there immediately.
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Todd Bentley is one of the more openly demonic preachers in the Charismatic movement, as this video will clearly show. Everything he says is a lie, including claims that it “rains gold” everywhere he goes and that he has personally “raised 35 people from the dead”. This is pure end times lunacy.

“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;” 1 Timothy 4:1 (KJV)

Today we will show you four videos that, beyond of the shadow of any doubt, display the high level of demonic activity that is manifested in the Pentecostal Charismatic churches in America, Australia and Canada. What you will see here has nothing to do with the Bible, with Christianity, and with the Holy Spirit of God. These televangelists are thieves and liars, twisting the scriptures in order to fleece the flock.

The Demon Possessed Preachers Of The Charismatic Movement:

This video shows the evil spirit present in the modern-day Pentecostal Charismatic movement. Being led around on a dog leash, howling like a wolf, and insane, uncontrolled laughter are only a few of the Satanic manifestations present. If you think that modern-day speaking in tongues are from the Holy Spirit, you won’t after watching this. If these things are happening in YOUR church, we advise you to RUN and GET OUT of there immediately.

Bam! Todd Bentley And The Manifestation Of Evil:

“And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.” 2 Timothy 2:26 (KJV)

Todd Bentley is one of the more openly demonic preachers in the Charismatic movement, as this video will clearly show. Everything he says is a lie, including claims that it “rains gold” everywhere he goes and that he has personally “raised 35 people from the dead“. This is pure end times lunacy.

Show Me The Money!:

Why do Pentecostal preachers spend so much time trying to “teach you about the tithe”? Because their lavish, opulent millionaire and billionaire lifestyles depend on it. And just for the record, do you know why YOU send them all that money? Because your greedy heart wants to be wealthy like they are, that’s why. Yes, they have deceived you, but it was with your permission. And the really sad, but also kinda funny, super ironic part of all this is that they have been made wealthy with YOUR money. “Praise da’ Lord, brothers and sisters, praise da’ Lord!” You know why the televangelists are so happy all the time? Because they have all your money.

“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” 1 Timothy 6:10 (KJV)

Con artists like Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, TD Jakes and all the rest have picked your pockets with the phony promise of you getting “God’s blessing” in return. So how about it, feeling blessed yet? Comment below if billionaire fraud Kennie Copeland has blessed you. Does he ever take you for a ride on the $20 million dollar jet you bought him? No, I imagine not.

Bethel Church, IHOP and the Toronto Blessing

Imagine if you will a church that, while using the same type of smoke machine as made popular in 1980’s MTV music videos, calling it a “glory cloud” from Heaven, and having the congregants dancing around in it and confirming the deception. What??? Yep. This garbage is what is passing for a modern-day manifestation of the “holy spirit”. But not content with simply producing a cloud, they make it “rain” with feathers and gold flakes from “Heaven”.

This is nothing more than devils in the Church, preaching lies, and fleecing the flock. If your church is involved with holy laughter, falling gold flakes, raising the dead, sowing your seed of faith, and being slain in the spirit, these are manifestations of Satan, and they have nothing, nothing, nothing to do with God and the Bible.

“And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.” 2 Corinthians 11:14,15 (KJV)

We urge you to go find yourself a Bible believing Church that teaches old-fashioned Bible doctrine, repentance, eternal security, rightly dividing and the Pretribulation Rapture of the Church from a King James Bible. A place that has hymns that glorify God instead of rock music that appeals to your flesh.

“Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.” Jeremiah 6:16 (KJV)

 

NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he has a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.
  • twr

    Great post Geoffrey. This is what people need to hear. Christians are unmindful that Christ and the Apostles warned about a counterfeit church that would be prevalent in the latter times. Doctrines like no more law, tithes, prosperity and the rapture headline the counterfeit Christian Church. Great work!

    • Don’t put the Rapture of the Church in that group, that’s our blessed hope!

      “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;” Titus 2:13 (KJV)

      • Guy

        You should’ve known this guy would be deceptive. He acts all supportive of your article, then throws in a caveat at the end that lambasts the rapture and those who believe it. Cunning, mocking and deceptive. He certainly shows the fruits of his heart.

      • SammiD

        Thank you Geoffrey for posting these videos. I could not make it through more than half of the first one. I have seen all these things, some in person and some on TV. I am ashamed and embarrassed that these people dare to call themselves Christians. After watching only a few minutes I want to throw up…

        The thing that bothers me the most (and I’ve seen it before) is when Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland talk about God: Copeland says “God says “I AM” and I said I am too!” How dare he!
        How many thousands, millions even, are these degenerates dragging to hell with them?
        And how do we pray for these people?

        Blessings to you Geoffrey as you expose the works of darkness.

      • Gigi

        You had my ear until you put the Pretribulation Rescue (oops Rapture) in this. I wonder if our Christian Brothers and Sisters and their children who are running for their lives, living in caves/holes, being beheaded and crucified, sexually assaulted believe in a pre-tribulation rescue. What about the 5 million Christians who died in the Holocaust? Where was their pre-trib rescue? They would call you a Reprobate. To believe we are going to escape such atrocities when Biblical history shows the contrary is BLASPHEMY. Jesus should have qualified then that only American Christians who are going to escape any tribulation. The Petribulation rapture was NEVER taught by Paul, in fact just the opposite. Nor was it taught by Jesus. In fact it was not even taught until the 19th Century. Jesus said, “after your have suffered a while,” in this world you will have tribulation;” He who endures til the end will be saved.” The Pretrib Rescue is going to cause the “falling away” that Paul talks about because when the Persecution comes to this country, and it will, Church goers WILL be shaking their fists to people like you and others who preach this falsehood asking, “why did you lie to us. You said nothing bad is going to happen to us.”

  • Brother – as usual you straight up nailed it. Thank you for these clear and powerful articles on heresy. These people are greedy liars who do not preach the soul-saving gospel of Jesus Christ, but instead preach a wicked and false doctrine of $$$$. They are indeed the ravenous wolves Paul warned us about:

    http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/09/18/false-prophets-and-teachers/

    …And all of their teachings on wealth and prosperity are contrary to the clear teachings of Jesus and Paul. Our best life isn’t now…it’s later:

    http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/11/14/teachers-preachers-and-wealth/
    http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/12/13/the-deceitfulness-of-wealth-your-best-life-later-part-1/

    …..Lastly. we are commanded by Jesus and Paul to judge righteously, so pointing these heresies which deceive men into hell is the right thing to do, regardless of the hatred we receive:
    http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2016/01/22/right-judgement/

    • Harvey Rosieur

      I often come across the words ‘Sola Scriptura’ these days, spoken as if they are a part of scripture.They are not and are misleading in my opinion. I believe the Bible, but not every word of every translation.There is even a ‘pink’ version these days. We are taught to test all things. We cannot interpret scripture reliably without the help of the Holy Spirit.(John 14:26 and 1 John 2:27 ) It is more correct,then, to say that we need both the word and the spirit. I have observed that mostly Cessationists seem to use the expression ‘sola scriptura,’ although I find that words like Cessationist, coined to describe where people fit in terms of theology are merely ‘generalisms’. I did not know there was such a group as Continualists until today and I do not know where I fit because it depends on the accepted definition of whoever coined the title.”Only in America”, we who live outside of that once said to be blessed land would say. They seem to take upon themselves the authority to speak for all the world. No offense intended but America does seem to consider it its right to confer upon itself world titles.

      • My point on Sola Scriptura, is that we are not to trust men and their supposed new revelations since after all:
        24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
        25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever…. ! Peter 1:24-25.

        Men are greedy and they are often liars. We are to test everything with scripture and only scripture. Paul respected the Berea’s for even testing him. Pastors today are offended when we obey the command to make right judgments according to the scriptures. I frequently cite the verses you note in John 14 and 1 John. They are excellent. As for Bible versions….the verdict is in:

        http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2015/10/24/the-bible-version-controversy-a-brief-history/

    • Geoffrey

      Amen 🙂

  • Lindsey

    You always seem to tie in speaking in tongues as demonic . Our church has experienced tongues with interpretation and its always lines up with the Bible and don’t appreciate your bias. But I also know that many churches are tickling ears to get the masses in and preaching a false doctrine

    • I do and I will tell you why. In the Bible, tongues were not for the believers but for the unbelievers. Secondly, they were a gift from the Holy Spirit, not something to be learned from an elder. Lastly, the two or three times I have witnessed speaking in tongues a cold chill went down my spine and I had to leave the room.

      “Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.” 1 Corinthians 14:22 (KJV)

      As a born again child of God, I do not need tongues for any reason at all. Neither am I commanded to speak in tongues. So when I see SO many frauds and fakes speaking in tongues, I figure that instead of trying to figure out who is legit and who is not, I just avoid the whole mess. And it is a HUGE mess, as you can see in these videos.

      • Lindsey

        I never said you have to speak in tongues to be saved!!! But don’t put God in your box of rules. ..your above article is showing Satan’s use of the Church and he always has the counterfeit to God’s

      • TRACY

        WOW IT ALSO STATES TO BE DONE IN A ORDERLY FASSION, SPEAKING IN TONGUES IS SPIRITUAL , TO BE DONE BETWEEN YOU AND THE LORD, AS IT IS HIS OWN LANGUEAGE, NOT TO BE FOR UNBELIEVERS AS IT COULD SCARE THEM TO DEATH. IT IS NOT DEMONIC, HOWEVER SATAN CAN AND HAS USED THIS. IF YOU ARE INA REAL FAITH BASED CHURCH, YOU SHOULD KNOW. STOP TEACHING FALSE DOCTRINE ON HERE. SO YOU LEFT THE ROOM, YOU RAN FROM GOD? WOW, IT IS A GIFT, NO NOT A REQUIREMENT OF SALVATION, NOT ALL PEOPLE WILL HAVE THIS GIFT, I FEEL SO SORRY FOR YOU BY CHOOSING TO IGNORE IT ALL, YOUR SO MISSING OUT ON A MOST WONDERFUL FULFILLING EXPERIANCE, GUESS YOU GOT SCARED HUH. THIS POST MAKES ME SO DOG GON MAD. TD JAKES AND JOYCE FAKE? HMMM GO TO A MISSION WITH HER, THEN HOLLA, HAVE YOU SAVE GIRLS FROM SEX? HAVE YOU FED THE STARVING IN HAITI? HAVE YOU WATCHED THESE REFUGEES GET KILLED TORTURED? WHO THE FAKE?

        • Don

          The apostle Paul also said he spoke in tongues more than they all did? That almost begs the question who is the more than you all group? It was clearly NOT to the other apostles but to a group of believers. There is a place for tongues But the most important thing to remember is not anything except liftingcup the truth that Jesus died for the sins of the world. Everything else is not as important as that. As Christians we must never lose focus of the ONLY thing a person needs to be saved, Jesus and the salvation found through His death and resserection. That is the main thing to spread and lift up and NOT our various doctrines, even if they are true. It never says lift up this doctrine or that doctrine but it does say if we lift up Jesus all manner of men will be drawn to Him.

        • Cindi Ruiz

          Amen sis… Glory to the Lamb! You have spoken correctly!
          God bless you!

        • Tracy

          The Tracy above is not me. I have posted on this site as Tracy since 2012.
          Let me add, the “preachers/teachers” mentioned in this article, are as fake as a four dollar bill
          in my humble opinion.

          • Heather

            Tracy, we knew “that” Tracy was not you. For you have good doctrine and put forth good fruits of the Spirit.

      • Cindi Ruiz

        I do not appreciate your close-minded approach in this nor your biased opinion.
        As sister Lindsey stated- You absolutely cannot judge all Penecostal churches by a few poor examples. That’s like saying all people are bad….(All white people are KKK)
        I belong to an anointed Penecost church. My pastors are anointed and the Holy Spirit always moves greatly in our services. I am Spirit filled and able to speak in tongues, pray in tongues, and even sing & praise in the same manner, and it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with SATAN!!!
        I am offended that You would lump all charismatic churches together by these examples.
        Nothing is farther from the truth that “tongues have ceased” or that it is a mess that should be avoided. Shame on you for denying the power of the Holy Ghost. It is spoken of all throughout the bible and more so in New Testament by the great apostles, including Paul, who received the vgreatest revelation. As a born again Christian we ABSOLUTELY DO NEED the Indwelling of the Holy Ghost to be able to adequately battle Satan and more so now as our redemption draweth nigh.
        You will– your very self, deceive and confuse many with this false doctrine and lead them astray from the truth which is the Holy Spirit. You need to study yourself to learn how to rightly divide the Word of Truth and thereby show yourself approved and acceptable.
        I have followed this site and your many article a while, but I Will no longer. You’ve proven to me that even you can misinterpret scripture…
        I will be withdrawing and unsubscribing from these emails now…

        Shame on you!!#

        • A “few poor examples” you say? My articles mentioned ALL of the top charismatic preachers out there….who did I leave out?

      • Nancy

        I appreciate your remarks but how you believe is not true. I know because I do and it is wonderful. Can you please answer me. I wrote a couple times and never get a response. If you are a born again child of God, why in the world would you be swearing and so vulgar in this video against the evil people? The F word seemed to be your main focus…is that not evil?

        • twr

          A tongue is a legitimate language that can be translated. Has anyone ever translated for you? You could be asking Satan to come into your heart.

          1 Corinthians 14:27-28King James Version (KJV)

          27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

          28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

          No interpreter, be silent. It is not edifying the body. God is not mindless as to do things without purpose. This was born of a false charismatic movement. Tongues is real. How you use it determines if is was God sent.

        • I appear in no videos and do not use foul language.

      • Harvey Rosieur

        ‘ He who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God, for no one understands him; however in the spirit he speaks mysteries’ 1 Cor 14:2
        ‘He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself..” 1 Cor 14:4
        ‘I wish you all spoke with tongues..’ 1 Cor 14:5

        God does not make mistakes or give us useless gifts.We all need edification from time to time. No Christian should fake it and I can assure you that my tongue was not taught me by another man, or woman, but by the Holy Spirit. I struggled with this gift for a long time because of the confusion of teaching. I had employed 8 of the nine spiritual gifts but was told I had not been baptised in the Holy Spirit because I did not speak in tongues.(Such was the old Pentecostal teaching) For about 3 years I felt like a second class Christian . I do not speak in tongues regularly although I can usually interpret.ie the Holy Spirit gives me the interpretation.
        A lot of the goings on in the ‘church at large’ are a mess. That is why we need the gift of discernment more than any other. The devil is having a heyday.

        • Speaking in tongues is not necessary for salvation, sanctification, justification or anything else. No Christian was ever commanded to do it, nor do we ever need to. It is not a sign of salvation, it is not a sign of being filled with the Holy Ghost. When you can actually do real speaking in tongues, that is to say speaking in another language not your own, then I will be impressed.

          Until then, babble on….babble on.

          • Concerned

            Forbid not to speak in tongues. Be careful not to call a miracle by the Spirit of God anything else, because blaspheming the Holy Ghost will never be forgiven. Instead of voicing an opinion that “raising from the dead” is lunacy, you could’ve made a call for Christians to help build their discernment in these matters. The Holy Ghost can raise whoever from the dead, even through a child in Christ.

            We need to come together in Love of God and FIRE in the Spirit! Not voicing our own opinions…

            Speaking in an unknown tongue is a manifestation of the Holy Ghost, and should NEVER be trampled on by sarcasm. Have some respect for the price your
            Saviour paid! For the Holy Ghost to indwell in man!

          • Susan Johnson

            Thank You again, Mr. Grider…..

            “And you will know the Truth, and the Truth will make you Free”

            John 8:32 KJV

      • Me

        At it again I see grider shame on you the lord rebuke you.

      • Grace

        “Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.” 1 Corinthians 14:22 (KJV)

        There is always a counterfeit to the gifts and things of God but this gift of the Holy Spirit was poured upon believers and was not poured out unto unbelievers and God used this SIGN to bring five thous unbelievers to the church that day, we should be careful not to throw out the baby with the bathwater and especially careful not to claim it all is devilish when talking about the Holy Spirit. I am a prayer warrior and if God uses me in this gift of praying in my home with help from the Holy Spirit with utterances and yearnings of His will that I cannot express in my own language, I will trust Him and yield myself to God. I will not put God into a box nor be afraid. Of course how these ministers are using this is not right and God will judge them but please don’t mix the counterfeit with the real gifts of God. God gives control to the person over the gifts He gives, He will never override a person’s will, that is why the uncontrollable laughter and craziness of what these ppl are doing is not Biblical, it is not the gift but the ppl who are out of control just as Paul had to reprimand the believers at Corinth. And if one does speak in tongues in the church it should be done with order and there should be an interpretation in the language of those believers which is equivalent to prophesying.

        • Edwitness

          Grace,
          Do you believe that Jesus is the Creator God? The God who made heaven and earth.

    • twr

      Speaking in tongues is a real gift, but the way it is taught in the church today is a false doctrine. The miracle of tongues on the day of Pentecost was not in the speaking. If one pays close attention, it was in the hearing. The Galileans were speaking, but the nations were hearing what they were saying in their own native tongue. A tongue is a real language, not some gibberish to prove you are spiritual. Has anyone ever attempted to translate the gibberish? Many of the Apostles were bi-lingual, due to captivities. What God does, he does for a purpose. Paul said what is the use in speaking tongues if no one can understand.

      1 Corinthians 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.

      There are a lot of gifts that are real. People will fake these gifts. Satan will counterfeit these gifts to deceive the body. That is what is being done in the counterfeit church today.

      • Listening2all

        I agree with what you wrote. I actually met an on fire for God 90 year old Christian man, George Whitehouse (since gone to be with the Lord) who told me he once worked as an Australian taxi driver and one time with two passengers in the car he began to speak in an unknown language, one of the passenger’s asked “Do you speak Mandarin?” George replied “No what did I just say?” He answered, “You just told my friend here to believe on the Lord Jesus and be saved”.

      • Grace

        amen twr, amen.

    • Cindi Ruiz

      Amen. I stand in agreement with you. It is ridiculous that he would lump all churches into the same mold. Clearly he lacks the Holy Spirit and the discernment to rightly divide the Word of truth.
      I feel so sad for the many that shall fall away because of his doctrine of devils. Many read this blog, myself included, and will believe his words…
      Pray…pray…pray
      God bless you sister!

  • twr

    Christ will appear at the 7th Trump, and we will all be changed at the blink of an eye. That is not the rapture. There is a lot of false doctrine that separates Israel from Israelites. One will be leaving before the other. Gentiles were reconciled back into the body (Ephesians 2:14). The rapture doctrine is not supported. There are only two prophetic words that could be valid to support the doctrine;Daniel 12:1-2, because it is prophetic word, and Matthew 24:29-31. Paul’s interpretations are not valid because you cannot identify his audience. Although he was Apostle to the gentiles, many of his messages spoke to the combined body. His early ministry was to Israelites to obtain the inclusion of gentiles into the body.

    The rapture doctrine opposes Christ teachings. His kingdom is not of this earth. We have to navigate this earth for our reward. He taught Israel the benefits of obedience in the face of Roman occupation. Their hard life would be rewarded in the kingdom. Rapture believers don’t understand we are not going anywhere. Earth was always meant to be inhabited (Zechariah 14:1-4). Ezekiel 13 expressly prohibits teaching of the rapture. The false Christ comes at the 6th Trump, Christ at the 7th. The danger of even teaching rapture far outweighs the hope or the reality.

    • We are not here to change your opinion, only to teach Bible truth. You are entitled to believe as you will. But when you say that “Paul’s interpretations are not valid” that is a silly statement to make. Paul was the hand-picked by Jesus person to be the leader of the New Testament church. What comes from Paul’s pen is pure, 100% scripture. But Peter did say that you would have a hard time with it, didn’t he?

      “And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” 2 Peter 3:15,16 (KJV)

      Just because YOU don’t understand it or are unable to figure it out doesn’t make the doctrine of the Pretrib Rapture not true. Go study some more.

      • twr

        valid may not be a good choice of words. Paul’s is not the prophetic word. Paul was just preaching the word. Peter said others would have a hard time with it. I know exactly what it says. It says Christ is coming here at the 7th Trump and we will be changed in the blink of an eye. Regardless of whether we meet in the cloud in the air (translation = spirit), There is not one shred of word in the entire bible that says we will be saved from anything other than God’s wrath. Tribulation is man-made. There is nothing to study. There are about four valid scriptures. We that are left alive (from tribulation). Immediately after tribulation (Matthew 24:29). These are all variations of the same prophecy, taught by different writers. There is no separate pickup for Christians. The most telling is who is the body (Ephesians 2:14). We all go together.

        Keep hope alive.

        • Tabitha Jacome

          TWR…You do realize that Paul’s letter to the church in Corinth was written way before the book of Revelation, right? This 7th trump you keep referring to I am assuming is the one in Rev 11. Paul could not have been referring to this as the “last trump” of 1Cor 15 because The book of Revelation didn’t exist at the time (for him to refer to).
          Since you say Paul’s “is not a prophetic word” then Paul couldn’t have been prophesying about that 7th trump either.
          You make absolutely no sense.

          • twr

            I don’t make assumptions with God’s word. Daniel’s prophesy, from which all messages were relayed preceded Paul’s epistles. Daniel’s word is prophetic. Paul’s word is not. Just because the epistles were written first, doesn’t mean Paul wasn’t aware of the prophesy, since he was handpicked as everyone likes to point out. It doesn’t matter. They are all about the same prophetic word. If Israel is being collected after tribulation, before God’s wrath, would it make a difference how many trumpets blow? People get creative defending false doctrine. Please, anybody, tell me where does it say Christians will escape tribulation.

            Matthew 24:9King James Version (KJV)
            9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.

            Somebody please tell me who is being delivered up. Are these non-Christians? Are these the elect? Didn’t Christ die for them too? It’s false doctrine. It is not supported. You make absolutely no sense.

          • tiptopsaidhe

            Paul says he met a man who had seen the 3rd heaven:

            2Co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

            Paul’s meeting of John, minus 14 years, would put the Revelation of John at around 43CE, during the reign of Herod Agrippa I (41-44 CE) in Jerusalem. John would likely have fled to Patmos after the execution of his brother, James, in 43CE.

            So, the Revelation had been told, at least, to Paul 14 or 15 years prior to Paul’s letters to the Corinthians.

        • Tabitha Jacome

          It does make a difference how many trumps blow because you specifically said the “7th” trump.
          If Paul got all of his prophecies from Daniel, where exactly (chapter and verse) does the book of Daniel talk about a people who don’t die, but are changed from mortal to immortal in the blink of an eye at the “7th” trump.
          Surely Paul wouldn’t have been the only one to know about this prophecy if Daniel had already revealed it. Why then does Paul call this a “mystery”?

          • twr

            John specifically said the seventh trump. Did I make it up? Where did Paul get the prophecy from? Daniel describes the event 12:1-2. Why does Daniel have to elaborate? They are the same prophecy as seen thru different messengers. Paul is not the only one. It was revealed in Matthew 24. Why do you assume the rapture is what Paul is referring to as a mystery? I always thought that was about gentiles being grafted in. If you have something valid, happy to discuss. Weak defense of false doctrine is not my thing. If you want me to answer questions, answer mine. Who are those delivered up in Matthew 24:9?

          • twr

            I don’t argue with anybody, particularly those who are seared by false doctrine. I will say this and let it be. When you evaluate any information that is not clear and concise, you must break it down to its basic component. The rapture is not mentioned in the bible. I know people say it means this or that, but it is not concise. First, what would be the purpose of the rapture? God always has a purpose. He is collecting Israel. That means Israelites and those grafted in.

            Isaiah 56:8King James Version (KJV)
            8 The Lord God, which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

            There would be no other purpose for this so called rapture.

            Matthew 24:29 says immediately after tribulation. Daniel 12:1-2 says a time of distress that has never been since there has been a nation. We have had wars and even nuclear bombs dropped on people. Mans tribulation cannot compare to God’s wrath. It is clear we are being saved from God’s wrath and not man made tribulation. The earth was meant to be inhabited (Isaiah 45:18). Christ is coming here (Zechariah 14:4). Where are you flying away to?

            Ephesians 2:14King James Version (KJV)
            14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

            The body of Christ has been consolidated. I’ve heard the foolishness about Jews being left because they rejected Christ. He died for them too. It is clear by Zephaniah 3:18-20, their curses will be reversed before Christ comes back. All of this 50 years later and trump nonsense doesn’t obscure the fact that the doctrine is not supported. Can God collect his people without it being a rescue mission? That is what the rapture is. Let me get the poor Christians so they won’t suffer. Didn’t Christ suffer? What is arguing? Is expressing your belief arguing. How will this ever be resolved if competent people don’t stand up and present facts, not fiction?

            I understand why rapture doctrine is popular. We heard it for years before we could form our own opinion. By that time, we looked for word to validate false doctrine. You don’t want to tell me about Matt 24, because you don’t have an answer. That is bottom line. I freely explain my theory to you because I can’t force you to believe. The doctrine is flawed or there would be no debate about pre, mid or post.

        • tabitha Jacome

          No. You said in you initial comment “at the 7th trump we will be changed in the blink of an eye”. Yes, John mentioned a 7th trump 50+ yrs later in Revelation. So if this is the 7th trump you say Paul is talking about in 1Cor 15(which it ISN’T, By the way) then Paul is referencing John not Daniel.
          “Why does Daniel have to elaborate???” Because it’s the infallible Word of God. If God is talking about a specific trump, He will number a specific trump-as you said, there’s no “making assumptions” about the Word of God.

          As for your Rapture doctrine questions, if you really wanted to know the meaning of Matt 24 I would explain it to you. But because you only want to argue with me about it, I won’t.

        • tabitha Jacome

          You call ALL that “not arguing?” Seriously? Like I’m really gonna read all that nonsense…

          • twr

            You already read it and you have no answer. Now God’s word is nonsense. Unbelievable.

      • Me

        An just because you don’t understand tongues doesn’t make it not true.

      • Isaac

        For all of you who are arguing about what’s real and what’s not about speaking in tongues, if we are all Christians then we believe that the bible is the inherent word of God and it is 100% truth, this is what Paul had to say in 1 Corinthians,If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
        1 Corinthians 14:27-28 KJV
        http://bible.com/1/1co.14.27-28.KJV.

        If you use the gift of speaking in tongues without an interpreter or as a prayer language then you should check your motives. You can argue all you want about this but it is straight from the word of God. I say all of this with truth and love for all people, not to argue, but to guide you to the truth.

    • Jimmy

      “Paul’s interpretations are not valid because you cannot identify his audience. Although he was Apostle to the gentiles, many of his messages spoke to the combined body. His early ministry was to Israelites to obtain the inclusion of gentiles into the body.”

      If you read the Bible it is very easy to identify Paul’s audience:

      1 Cor 12:27 KJV Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

      2 Tim 2:10 KJV Therefore I endure all things for the elect’s sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

      Paul’s audience is the body of Christ, and there is no Jew nor greek in Christ (Gal 3:28 KJV)

      • twr

        Jimmy,

        If you can discern, gentiles or Christians are not his specific targeted audience.

        Ephesians 2:14King James Version (KJV)
        14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

        There is no separation, meaning Christians are not the body and there is no special pickup for them alone. Since you point out Galatians 3:28, point made. God is the God of Israel. He invited gentiles to become fellow citizens.

        Ephesians 2:19King James Version (KJV)
        19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

        That means were are Israelites and Israel. It doesn’t matter if there is no longer Jew and Greek in Christ. There is still a pecking order.

        Romans 1:16King James Version (KJV)
        16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

        I can read and discern. I’m pretty sure your grasp of the gospel falls a little short of mine.

    • Grace

      wow, just when I agree with your post on the gifts, you go off on this. Ask the Lord to show you the truth in His word.

      • twr

        Different subject, different discernment. The Lord has shown me the truth. Hoping he will do the same for you. I have said enough on rapture. The bible does not support it. Who, what, when, where why? That is all you need to debunk rapture mythology.

  • Mario

    Rains gold? I see nothing but demons, the blind following the blind. I used to be an occultist and this is nothing more than that, pure evil.

    • Yes, all this JUNK is demonic from the fake teeth, the falling gold, the phony healings, to the holy laughter, every bit of it is from the Devil.

      • Jimmy

        Love the post brother!

        • Thank you! Looking forward to your article on “gay pastors”, should be a good one!

  • jen

    Ohhhh myyy gosh…I could not finish watching the first two videos, Its disturbing!! Seriously… what does any of that have to do with God at all??? It seems like a bunch of drunks.. running around, barking, crawling on the floor, falling over, screaming and yelling and cackling…. ughh…. that’s sooo sickening. I know these are just clips, but do they even open the bible and talk about Jesus?? Prob Not… just sit around a laughing at eachother the whole time and play pretend healing from the so called pastors. Ohh man.. I am just so bothered by this and how not 1 person in the large crowds does not think this is weird. I would be out of there so fast.

  • grace

    #1. Todd Bently is a devil worshipper not a Christian.
    #2. Jesus Christ raised Lazarus from the dead.

    If you say it is of the devil to raise ppl from the dead in the name of Jesus (as a saved Christian filled with the REAL HOLY SPIRIT)… you’re saying Jesus Christ is of the devil.

    that’s blasphemy.

    If you’re going to let a devil worshipper like Todd Bently talk you into blaspheming the name of Jesus Christ and hte REAL HOLY SPIRIT…

    satan takes advantage of you.

    When Christians pray in the name of Jesus, the REAL HOLY SPIRIT still raises ppl from the dead.

    If you haven’t seen it… that’s not God’s fault.

    Other REAL CHRISTIANS HAVE.

    • Yes, in the Bible people were raised from the dead by the power of God. The apostles, who no longer exist, could raise people from the dead. Jesus raised people from the dead. But in the Church age, we see no such power given. In the time of Jacob’s trouble, the 144,000 will raise people from the dead and perform miracles.

      The dead are not being raised in the Church age.

      • Don

        God has raised some people from the dead.. Yes even in this age. I admit it does not happen often but you must be careful to not throw the proverbial baby out with the bath water. I pray in my prayer closet with the Spirit and with my understanding. I also have been in a few churches that do not have the Spirit of GOD behind what is suppose bro be going on, like speaking in tongues but again I also know Paul said he prayed in tongues more than them all. Tongues have a place but as with any of the gifts of God it must follow biblical principles and be ii decency and order.

      • Kosie van die plaas

        No Geoffrey you are wrong. God still raises people from the dead through the Bride of Christ. It is still happening today. If its to glorify God, it will happen. Period. You need to stop being so judgemental and point out other people’s faults and rather make sure you are righteous and spotless as you need to be according to the Word of God and in front of God. Your articles are very informative but lately you are really getting out of hand. Im not judging you, its a caution… There is a lot of heretics and false teachers out there, but is your current way of exposing it the right way? Do you think Jesus would aprove of your sarcasm and judgmental articles? Im just asking.. Take a step back and just look at yourself and your articles from Gods point of view.

        • twr

          Geoffrey is 100% right. I will defend him until the end when he is. God has raised many from the dead. There are people in hospitals who have been pronounced legally dead. Some have been dead far too long for them to recover to a normal life. Christ gave his disciples the ability to heal and cast out demons. I have never read anywhere that he gave mankind the ability to raise someone from the dead.

          Matthew 24:24King James Version (KJV)
          24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

          How would it serve God’s purpose to allow a man to perform such miracles? This man would be elevated to the status of Christ. This is exactly the miracles that Satan’s counterfeit church will perform. On this point, Geoffrey, you are absolutely correct. There is a counterfeit church operating today. There will be a lot of people that will go to bat for the counterfeit because they conscious has been seared fy false doctrine.

          • Kosie van die plaas

            Then my friend you don’t know your authority in Christ. Death was defeated at the Cross. Jesus Himself said we shall do greater things than Him with the Comforter that He has sent, the Holy Spirit. Btw i agree on the point that false prophets will spring up in this time, but being led by the Holy Spirit you will just know the truth from the lie…

        • Cindi Ruiz

          Aaayymenn…. well spoken!!
          He is bringing in counterfeit doctrine and clearly understands nothing about the true message of the cross or the promise spoken by God.
          Clearly It states how in the last days He will pour out His Spirit upon all flesh…
          Geoffrey is sadly misguided in his interpretations….
          I shall no longer follow

          • twr

            Don’t blame Geoffrey. Tongues is not false doctrine. It is how they are used that is false doctrine. Somebody says they are God’s own language. Why does the bible say there should be an interpreter? What is the purpose of speaking tongues if no one can understand? Our minds are childish when it comes to God’s purpose. Gifts of the spirit are designed for edification of the body. We all American in our American speaking church. What is the purpose. People slay me with their simple minded conclusions. We all speak the same language. Why you speaking tongues in church. That ain’t nothing but Satan. It has no purpose.

      • Edwitness

        Geoffrey,
        Have you heard of the late Dr, Eby? It Is alleged that it was said of him and by him that he lay dead on a slab for hours with all of the blood drained from his body from an accident. Then, as his wife prayed, he came back to life and told everyone that he had been taken to Heaven and then to hell. What is your take on it? I have not researched the story so I don’t know what kind of evidence there is to confirm his death and apparent rescucitation by God.

        Blessings:-}

        • Based on what you just said, it’s completely untrue.

        • Whether you are granted “a ticket” (Judgement) to Heaven or Hell, keep in mind….

          They are tickets that are ONE-WAY ONLY.

          • Edwitness

            Amen Susan Johnson,
            There is one way…..so with that one way ticket choose the ONE’S way. Thanks

      • Me

        Why cause you haven’t witnessed it so its your addition to the cannon. That is nowhere in scripture nowhere your making it up plain and simple.

  • Marian

    Now if the “Christian” politicians can be exposed for the fakes they are (remember Judas betrayed Christ for what? because he wanted Christ to be a political savior) …

    Think about it: these preachers want your money for their lavish lifestyles and the power that goes with it; politicians want your vote so they can have the power and lavish lifestyles that go with it. At least the politicians don’t charge you to vote for them.

  • Char

    I don’t understand what the purpose of the gold landing on his wife is all about….He not only looks like a clown, he is one. After watching his services, you feel more like you’ve been to the circus than to church. Well, when he stands in front of the Lord, there will be NO gold raining down on him or his wife. These are last days loonies, but I absolutely believe in being filled with the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues in a true pentecostal church. My dad (who has gone on to be with the Lord) was a pentecostal minister and there were many miracles in his church. I have some newspaper articles of healings that were done in my dad’s church, but nowadays the true churches are few and far between because the Ladoiciean and apostate churches are here til the very end, which won’t be long, PTL!

    • Remember one thing, these videos do not represent a small group of people. The Pentecostal Charismatic movement consists of tens of millions of Christians. Albeit deceived ones.

      • Rain

        They r not all deceived many are filled with the Holy Spirit maybe some r fake but that is true for all. It is a she to call people liars when the fact they r healed and talk in tongues or were prayed for by someone who does. Where on the bible do you come up with this false doctrine. It is not written in the word of God so you r adding to it your opinion and that is forbidden to add to.

  • Linda Stineman

    I enjoy some of your posts contain news that isn’t being reported everywhere, but I do wish you would not call everyone who doesn’t hold to your interpretations a cult. I am aware you think the messianic-hebrew roots movement is a cult. I would call myself a follower of some of the truths of that movement, but I’m not a cultist. You may not agree with some of the things I believe are Biblical, but I don’t agree with every interpretation you have either. I don’t call a you a cultist. I believe my salvation is purchased by Jesus Christ, and I have nothing to add to it. I disagree with the timing of the Rapture you espouse. But I don’t call you names. Please don’t stand in the seat of the accusers of the brethren.

    • We have never said anyone who has a different view on the Rapture is in a cult. And we never said that people who are in touch with the Jewish roots of Christianity are in a cult. Also, we have never said that anyone who attends a messianic church is in a cult.

      But the Hebrew Roots Movement is absolutely, 100% a cult. Mark Biltz and 119 Ministries teach lies and twist the Bible.

      • Rain

        You call people who believe in miacle healing names too. Why it says nowhere miracles ceased or tongues ceased.

  • Mario

    This is so sad, the greed in many of these people is what is fueling the coffers of these demonic preachers. Lets look in a short view the essence of the prosperity movement, the main principle is that if you “GIVE money to these BLESSED men of God, God is going to give you back 10 times running over” so if you give $500 you should receive 10 times or more that amount. IF and I say IF this was true it would not make more sense for the Pastors to be the ones giving money to the believers than asking money from them? Think for a moment, pay attention, would not be better for the Pastor to give away thousands and thousands of dollars so he would receive back hundreds of thousands? So he could keep giving money away?

    But no, these thieves, crooks, liars, deceivers, agents of satan ask you to give them money, that is what they do, they exploit your greed. Our mansion is in Heaven not here on the Earth, our treasures should be lay in Heaven where they cannot be stolen, not here on Earth.

    OPEN YOUR EYES BRETHREN!!!!! These preachers are agents of the devil himself. They are deceiving and leading millions away from the truth of Jesus Christ.

    • Grace

      amen and they are also robbing the local church which God intends to use to bless and meet the needs of the ppl. It is sad when ppl attending a church need help and they are told to go to the government for help, it is the church who should help so please give to your church not to these whose desire is to rob God and get rich.

  • Don

    Brother I do understand what you said but one caution I would pass on and it concerns the gifts of the Spirit. Can God make good chips fall in a church service? Yes but why does He have to resort to that? I also will say that I believe in the prosperity message BUT prosperity is not money! Prosperity is knowing the Living GOD and the salvation offered by Jesus. I just say this as a warning though. You may think I have been deceived when I say this but I know what happened. I saw the cloud of the LORD GOD once in my life. There were no no cloud generators and the cloud decended through the roof while I was at a camp meeting. The cloud glowed even though it was day time. A black man that came from Africa came and was preaching about being hit or cold in service to GOD and as he preached to the people,to wake up and serve God with your whole hearts, it happened. No fan fare, no bragging, no one making a claim about how great they were, it just happened. I could not help but fall on my knees and woship GOD and it was not just because I was compelled to within my spirit. It is very hard to explain… The Holy Spirit began to break the people’s hearts and while no one laid hands on anyone people began to quietly fall on their faces before GOD. I have been in other places where there was a claim that was made but it was obvious it was not GOD but this was very different. I know anyone can fake things and pat themselves on the back and this is very demonic at best BUT we must be careful to not throw everything under the proverbial bus either. I am not a new follower of Jesus either and while I am far from perfect I know when the Spirit of GOD moves upon my heart and the self promotion of men or the enemy is at work. Please understand I am not endorsing every manifestation but I am careful not to genetically condem everything as well.

    • Grace

      Well spoken Don, amen. God bless you!

  • Kosie van die plaas

    I’m glad that here in south africa we are still legit when it comes to God and being Holy Spirit led. Especially in our protestant charismatic church. We pray for you americans because we can see how your country is falling apart and how prophecy affects you directly. Our country is far from perfect to be honest, but we can still pray and experience the Holy Spirit everywhere. By the way Geoffrey, cant understand how you can be so against speaking in tongues as the bible clearly says that God is Spirit and you should pray to Him in spirit. Speaking in tongues is speaking in your spirit language…

    • Char

      Kosie, I agree with you 100%. Some American born again’s are missing out because they DO NOT believe in speaking in tongues because they are died in the wool Baptists or Nazarene or any other that’s anti-tongues. which tells us that there are good and bad in ALL churches (Pentecostal, Baptist, Nazarene, Methodist, etc.). We will just keep on believing what we believe and if they don’t believe it, then they will NEVER experience it. God Bless you and your Holy Spirit filled church!

    • Just keep following and believing in your South African loudmouthed deceiver “The Holy Ghost Bartender”

      Rodney Howard Browne…

    • leigh

      Hi Kosie
      Im also from SA…what church do you attend?

  • Mario

    None of these people in these videos speaking in tongues is doing thast, they are a bunch of charlatans, read 1 Corinthians 14-18 and follow and you will get to this short verse written by Paul

    1 Corinthians 14:27

    If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

    Where are the interpreters? Why did Paul ask about interpreters, in the same letter he explains

    1 Corinthians 14:23

    Therefore, if the whole church assembles together and all are speaking in other languages and people who are uninformed or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your minds?

    Also in 1 Corinthians 14:22 Paul says:

    Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers.

    TONGUES ARE A SIGN NOT FOR BELIEVERS BUT FOR UNBELIEVERS.

    • Grace

      The only problem with what you say is that w/out believers the gift of speaking in other tongues is not poured out for it is never poured out onto unbelievers, so God pours it out onto believers and there should be an interpreter so that it benefits all hearers and therefore is equivalent to prophesying which is another gift of the Holy Spirit or if there is no interpreter then it should be done in private at home for one is speaking mysteries in their spirit with God’s Spirit’s help. God gives control over the one who speaks always or Paul would not have said if there is no interpreter remain silent. What these crazy ppl are doing is not Biblical and they are showing no restraint whatsoever and for their own selfishness and entertainment, that is wrong and they need to repent but the gifts of the Holy Spirit didn’t go away with the apostles, they are to help those in the church spread God’s word to those who are lost and come in and also as in the gift of tongues to help one pray in words that only the Spirit can give and in which one’s own language is inadequate at times. Here is a short testimony of my own, I was an unbeliever years ago and got invited to a church that exercised speaking in tongues in order and with interpretation, God used that message spoken that day to speak to me and changed my life forever, all praise to God but if a believer hadn’t exercised that gift I would not have heard what God was saying and my life probably would have been over given the road I was on at that time, I would be in hell. Let us be wise as serpents but gentle as doves.

  • While I believe false teachers came into the movement, the movement itself was no more than a revival… We must be REAL careful who we judge, and why we judge them… While many of these “prosperity teachers” are false teachers, believing in the Word of God for healing and others things is straight out of the Word…

  • Anton Krüger

    Absolutely excellent and the Truth.
    Anton Krüger.
    South Africa.

  • noelene

    I do not believe in all this funny stuff that I have seen in some churches and in these videos However I had an experience 47 years ago while I was sitting on a bench speaking to God While I was praising Him I heard myself speaking an unknown language and felt such peace – ever since when I am in distress or interceding I will use this “language from heaven” or my prayer language- and will Gods peace and power. Sometimes when I pray for people in my own closet I do not have the words and I know that His spirit will convey my prayers to My Father. This is not an experience that was brought by hype or to impress anybody but I cannot deny it and know this is from God. I accepted Jesus as my Savior and I know that Im a child of God because I confess Him with my mouth and believe Him in my heart His Word told me that Paul mentioned that he also spoke in tongues. Yes I know the context of these verses as well but he said that he spoke in tongues more than them We must be careful not to condemn all speaking in tongues due to these actors and false people God bless you

    • Kosie van die plaas

      Excellent noelene that is you speaking in tongues. Praise God! When you pray in tongues it’s the Holy Spirit taking over and interceeding for you or the situation on your heart. Never ever stop with what you are doing. The unique thing about your language is that you are the only person in the whole world with that specific spirit language and the enemy can not understand or block your prayer. Be blessed

  • twr

    Kosie van die plaas,

    I don’t mix apples and oranges. There is only one who can give life or bring to death.

    1 Samuel 2:6King James Version (KJV)
    6 The Lord killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.

    God does not change, nor does he lie. Christ was the word. He had this God given ability, but he did not pass it on. There are no charlatans raising people from the dead. Don’t be fooled.

    • Kosie van die plaas

      Twr, you say Christ WAS the word, i say(as my bible also does), Christ IS the word. Jesus can not change as He the Son, God the Father and God the Holy Spirit is one… So if Jesus sent the Holy Spirit for us, He sent a part of Him for us to carry on what He did on earth. Thats the whole point of our belief. Dont allow the enemy to deceive you. Best is to pray that the teuth be revealed to you. Your scripture reference is correct but out of context. Blessings

      • twr

        My context is perfect. Even as you defend false doctrine, you spew more. Father, Son, and Holy spirit are one in spirit, but they are not one. Christ was the first born of all creation, yet a creation.

        Colossians 1:15 (KJV)
        15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature

        Christ existed before all creations. Was he born God’s son in heaven, or on earth?

        Hebrews 1:5-6King James Version (KJV)
        5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
        6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

        Christ became his son. Christ is the word. The word is responsible for all of creation. The world has been subjected unto the word. When God created, it was his word that created (let there be light). They are not one and the same.

        1 Corinthians 15:23-25King James Version (KJV)
        23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
        24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
        25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

        In the end, Christ turns the kingdom over to the father. You might want to check your doctrine at the door before you preach to TWR.

        • Guest

          How big is your ego? I mean seriously. All I see come out of your mouth is lies, condescending remarks, spiritualizing of the Scriptures, and more. You even write like a conceited B-movie villain! “People slay me. I get such a chortle out of simple-minded Christians.”

          You lack love and humility. Why not check your ego at the door? You’re problem is that you don’t respect others enough to consider them equal on an intellectual level. Your pride is out of control. You may think you know the Scriptures, but I see no humility or love in your words.

          Grow up, kid.

          • twr

            I debate up, not down. If there has ever been one lie out of my mouth, you prove it and we can talk. Otherwise, you can keep that to yourself. I don’t begin with anything condescending. I expressed my views like anyone else. Jimmy prefaced his response to my comment with “if you can read.” Someone else accused me of being out of context. If I lacked love, I wouldn’t try to correct false doctrine. I’m as humble as anyone will ever be. I don’t have to stand for attacks on my spiritual knowledge. There is nobody that has been able to refute my scriptural knowledge. What you feel, assume or have been taught seems to be more important that what is written. Not everyone is on an equal intellectual level. Why would I consider that? Pride has nothing to do with anything. My love for God’s people and my passion for the pure word makes me somewhat intolerant to false doctrine. My respect for the site actually keeps me in check. You don’t know me or what I know. Growing up is not an issue. Growing past false doctrine is very much the point. I stand on the word. When I grow up, I want to be like me. I question and validate. Don’t hate me for being thorough. Don’t hate me for not accepting everything I hear. Grow up spiritually and maybe you will understand. If you see something I say is wrong, correct me. But, then you can’t.

          • twr

            Who cares abut an ego besides somebody that is wrong? Jimmy answered my question with if you can read. Somebody else said I was out of context. Do you go to church and tell the pastor to check his ego. You don’t know me or what I know. You have no clue who I am. Considering others on the same intellectual level has nothing to do with love or respect. Everyone is not on the same level, intellectually or spiritually. Fact. What does pride have to do with making a point? Am I right or wrong? I don’t think I know scripture. I know God’s intent. That makes it easy to google a scripture. You said you see lies and condescending remarks from my mouth. You need to prove it, or grow up. If you accuse a man of lying and you can’t step up and prove it, you are not a man.

  • Dave

    (Matthew 4:6) And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

    This is the charismatic leap of faith, even as Satan wanted Jesus to leap, the charismatic movement also has you leaping for faith.

    Jesus’ rely: (Matthew 4:7) Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

    Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

    Do a Bible search “in earth” in the King James Bible (13 times) and the New Age so called bibles niv, asv, nkjv, et al.

    Look in Daniel 3:25 (niv) and ask yourself maybe one of those gods is allah? Yes people the New Age bibles do worship the same god as Islam. Satan!

  • Revgazza

    I am an Australian currently serving in a Baptist church in Mid-West Illinois. I came out of the occult (I was considered the 3rd most powerful sorcerer in Australia at the time) nearly 31years ago and according to many of my Baptist brothers in Christ my salvation experience is questionable (except they all agree I am a man of God). Why? Because I was saved in North Queensland on a deserted beach with only a demon and the Lord Jesus present. God spoke to me out of the heavens and said “choose this day whom you will serve”. I chose Jesus and rejected the devil. For the next 4 years God had me sit under a great Baptist pastor in Sydney and I read the bible and studied it day and night. I have seen the crazy stuff in some Pentecostal/Charismatic groups and coming out of the occult I saw many things that I new were demonic. However I also read my bible (and it was a KJV)and no where does the bible say the gifts or calling of the Holy Spirit died out when the Apostles did. The reason is that we still fight the same enemy they did.
    To attack tongues, healing, raising from the dead to me is close to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. When the Jews accused Jesus of using the power of Baal to heal and deliver, He said that the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Also consider this. The bible says in latter times there will be false prophets, teacher and apostles amongst you. IF all those callings are finished why didn’t He say “in latter times beware anyone who says they are a prophet, apostle, teacher as those calling have ceased”. Now I do not believe 90% of people who claim these titles are real as Paul, Peter, Isaiah etc walked around addressing themselves as Apostle Paul or Prophet Isaiah. Giving oneself a title has become huge within the modern church and also in the mainline churches as well. I get tired of going to a meeting amongst pastors and hearing them address themselves as Pastor whatever.
    We are in the last days and whether people agree with the rapture is before, after or mid trib then that is up to them to read and study their bibles for themselves. Also I do not believe that the KJV is the ONLY bible out there that is OK. I believe the word of God and I will not accuse anyone of not being a Christian just because they read the NJKV.

    • twr

      I don’t think anyone is attacking tongues or their authenticity. I think we are questioning their utilization in the counterfeit church. Tongues are not gibberish. Tongue is a reference to a legitimate language that one has the ability to interpret. The Charismatic movement used tongues as a way to sell false doctrine. Anything used in the proper context is for the edification of the body. I have had people tell me that ministers tell them they are not spirit filled unless they speak in tongues. Paul said there are different gifts of the spirit. No two people, by necessity will have the same gift, and that gift is only relevant for edification. That gift can’t be transferred. I remember my minister calling people to the pulpit, laying hands on them so they can speak in tongues. This is abuse of a shepherds authority and fraud. God gives the gift, not the shepherd.

    • “…also I do not believe that the KJV is the ONLY Bible out there…that is OK”

      Your first evidence of being deceived.

      …”just because they read the NKJV”

      Deceived again.

  • Servant

    AMEN Check this out!

    Check out this video on YouTube:

    http://youtu.be/FBod4fcXGLc

  • Servant

    Read the Center Stage Video it’s about False prophets

  • Connie

    Upon viewing just ONE of the videos,the eyes of this man are BLACK and empty. Black eyes are demonic. I could see and feel the evil emanating from this man. Make your own judgements folks- but Geoffrey is right about this one. May God bless.

  • Connie

    I was referring to Todd Bentley by the way (black eyes).

  • Clay

    Geoff and Jimmy, when the Messiah Jesus, show up in my home, I usually always fall forward “on my face”, not on my back. I am overwhelmed with HIS wonderful Presence. Amen.

  • Clay

    Rev, Paul said tongues would cease.KJV.

    • bo

      Nope

  • Char

    @Servant, regarding your video, this would be for the Left Behind group and as for the diapers, I’m not sure, but I think that all the children will go in the rapture, but don’t know of a verse in the bible that says that. I like your bowl of fruit. It looks good! God Bless!

    • twr

      Probably because there is no rapture. I pray I’m left behind because those are the ones who are blessed.

      Daniel 12:12-13King James Version (KJV)
      12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

      13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

      Counterfeit church has it twisted. It is those who endures that are blessed. Those who are taken (raptured) are taken by the false Christ. Pretty clever too.

      Christ tried his best to warn rapture believers. I don’t know what more he could say.

      Matthew 24:25-26King James Version (KJV)

      25 Behold, I have told you before.

      26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

      The rapture is not supported. There will be a bunch of deceived people running after the anti-Christ looking for a ride. Why do you think he says don’t go? There is no rapture. There is nowhere to go.

      Isaiah 45:18King James Version (KJV)

      18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.

      Where are the rapture people going when Christ is coming here? I guess you will miss him.

  • Lori

    Geffrey you are so dogmatic on your views! Yet, you are also preaching untruths. Our blessed hope is indeed his appearing, but when? At the end of it all!!! There is no rapture before the tribulation, reads the scriptures carefully and forget what so many americans have been teaching for decades. The rapture happens when the Lord returns to save Israel and those who are awaiting his return. If you criticize others and you are guilty of wrong teaching….. People prefer to believe the teachers rather than investigating the Scriptures, I don’t.

    • Yes, I am dogmatic on my views. I ABSOLUTELY believe in the Bible doctrines of eternal security, the Pretrib Rapture, the virgin birth, the resurrection, the Second Coming, as well as that God has preserved His word without error within the pages of the King James Bible.

      • Amen…Thak You again.

        Never stop preaching the Truth…

    • twr

      High five Lori. I have presented a million scriptures that debunk the rapture. It is only because one wants to believe so bad, they will continue, and spread false doctrine. The bible absolutely does not support the rapture. Nobody will even discuss it seriously. Jimmy gets raptured every time the discussion gets serious. Nobody wants to discredit Geoffrey. Great site. If it is any indication of the owner, great guy. The doctrine is not supported. Let’s discuss and work it out for the readers. The needs of the many outweigh the good of the few or the one.

  • Char

    TWR, the issue in this particular post is not the post-trib vs the pre-trib, but I have to disagree with you (along with Geoffrey and many others), that you are incorrect in your assumption that we will be post-trib, but we will ALL have to wait and see who is right. I hope us pre-tribbers are right, which I believe whole heartedly we are from many scriptures that we’ve already stated in other posts. It’s not going to matter one way or the other UNTIL HE SAYS ‘COME UP HITHER’ to all us pre-tribbers. Have fun down here with the Left Behinds that you HOPE you will be with.

    • Amen. Now boarding Revelation 4:1 Airlines, flight #ttus213, now boarding….

  • Nina

    Geoffrey..you said that as a born again child of God that you don’t need to speak in tongues for any reason..according to one of today’s well known Evangelist, Perry Stone, states in the attached video that speaking in tongues is valid and that he has many CD’s teaching on receiving the Holy Spirit and that it is the language of God..I’ve heard many times Perry speaking in tongues during sermons and teachings on TV and YouTube videos..especially when he gets under heavy and anointed preaching..His good friend Pastor Tommy Bates from Kentucky who is also a well known pastor from Kentucky, also speaks during his services in tongues..also, some pastors from CTN (Christian Television) Howard Rodney Brown, Tampa just to name a few..

    So seeing that next month you are to appear at the same Prophecy Event in Brooksville, Fl with Perry Stone (the well known Evangelist in this video I posted and who is saying that Tongues is the spiritual language of God) is he also a fraud, a fake or demonic??, as you state..I thought you said “I just avoid the whole mess”…Perry Stone just might get into the Spirit at this event and speak in tongues..I saw him a few months back in Tampa and if my memory serves me right, he wasn’t holding back..I know there is fakery in everything..God gives us discernment..Nonetheless, I do enjoy your articles, radio studies and site..I’m just giving my view..God Bless..

    https://youtu.be/AkRKtHK7pW8

    • twr

      Speaking in tongues has a purpose. If everyone at Pentecost spoke the same language, why would there be speaking in tongues? If everyone in the church speaks the same language, why would you speak in tongues? What does it mean to be a well known evangelist?

      2 Corinthians 11:14-15King James Version (KJV)
      14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

      15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

      1 Corinthians 14:27-28King James Version (KJV)

      27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

      28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

    • Nina, Thanks so much for writing. My beliefs about speaking in tongues doesn’t change according to the company I am in. I am not speaking with Perry Stone, I am speaking at a prophecy event where he is also a speaker.

      But guess what? Any time anyone speaks in tongues with no interpreter is in clear VIOLATION of scripture:

      “If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.” 1 Corinthians 14:27,28 (KJV)

      I have seen many people who claim to speak in tongues, but almost never see it done with an interpreter. I wonder why that is?

      I look forward to teaching the people at the prophecy conference some Bible doctrine. For many of them, they will be hearing it for the first time.

      And yes, if I get the chance, I will rebuke people speaking in tongues at the conference. It is NOT for the Church Age, and when people do it they look at the very least just plain silly, and at the worst they look and sound demonic.

      • Bo

        Tongues: Prayer Language Vs. Public Gift by Rev. Mel C. Montgomery
        Paul told us:
        • Paul said that he used his ability to speak in tongues to pray, and to worship God. [verse 15].
        • He was thankful to God for the ability to pray and worship God in other tongues [verse 18].
        • He found this to be a deeply spiritual and edifying experience [vs. 4].
        • Jude agrees with Paul’s assessment of the edifying power of praying in
        tongues [Jude 20].
        • Paul urged all of us to speak, pray, and worship God in other tongues, “I
        would that ye all spake with tongues…” [vs. 5].
        • Nowhere does Paul tell us that he ever identified the “other tongue” in which
        he spoke.
        • Nor does he mention that he ever preached a sermon to anyone in other
        • Nowhere does he state that we should try to identify the “other tongue” in
        which we are speaking, or to attempt to preach sermons to others in it.
        But Paul also gave some common sense instructions concerning tongues–the prayer language. For example, if someone were to stand up in the public assembly, and speak out loudly to God for an hour in tongues–the prayer language–such an exercise would be entirely pointless and a waste of time. In exercises of the prayer language, “no man understandeth him.” So the congregation would understand not a single word, and be bored to tears.
        Have you ever been to a concert where they sang in a language you didn’t know? I did recently. I went to a free zydeko–Cajun music–concert. I assumed that this concert would be in English, but was disappointed to find once I got there, that it was to be entirely in French/Cajun. I enjoyed the lively music, but after two minutes, my attention wandered because I didn’t understand a word of what was being sung. By the end of an hour, I ranged from being nearly asleep, to almost climbing the walls and wondering when this concert would ever end.
        Such would be the same reaction from people forced to sit and listen to uninterpreted tongues for an hour. Paul pointed out an example like this, and said that in Church he would rather speak 5 words that everyone could understand than 10,000 words in uninterpreted tongues that no one could benefit from. Referring back to the French concert I attended, I would have to say the same. I would rather go to a concert where they sang five words I understood, than ten thousand words I couldn’t make heads or tails out of.
        So Paul gave the common sense instruction, that if someone felt they had something to say in other tongues to the entire congregation, let him do so. However, if he speaks for awhile, and no one seems to be able to interpret what is
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  • Excellent website. If you don mine I would like to ask you a formal request to translate into Spanish language. God bless you and your ministry

  • twr

    Jimmy,

    I wasn’t being deceptive, maybe opportunistic. Break the doctrine down to basic components of who, what when and where. Who is being collected?

    Isaiah 56:8King James Version (KJV)
    8 The Lord God, which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

    God’s purpose is to gather Israel and others (gentiles). This is the body. Israel first. Christians have no dog in the fight.

    What is a collection, not a rescue mission. Nobody is being saved from tribulation. When is described in Matthew 24:29, Daniel 12:1-2. Immediately after tribulation and a time no nation on earth has seen. We have had earthquakes, war and nuclear holocaust. None of this compares to God’s wrath.

    Where are we going (Isaiah 45:8)? Christ is coming here (Zechariah 14:4). Changed in the blink of an eye. The glove doesn’t fit. Stop trying to make it fit because you believe.

  • Lori

    Why not focus on helping others ready their heart for the return of Our Lord, instead of bashing Pentecostals and referring to those things of Holy Spirit that you do not understand as evil? God himself will deal with any false preachers. If we have Holy Spirit indwellimg, and we should if we truly belong to Jesus, He leads us to all truth and understanding. The gift of tongues edifies the believer. That is why Paul referenced his gladness that he spoke in tongues more than others. Because praying in the Spirit brings wisdom, knowledge, and revelation. And if you do not have this spiritual gift, ask for it. If you do not speak in tongues and have never experienced spiritually how this helps a believer grow, then you should absolutely not speak ill of it. Holy Spirit is GOD. And He is the manifest power of God working through His sons and daughters bringing the Kingdom of God here by His Spirit in us. And to deny any working of Him, including praying in tongues, is to deny God. This is apostasy–having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof..

  • nikki

    Sadly I have stopped reading your teaching based emails as I so often find error. As you say in your comments “Speaking in tongues is a sign to the unbelievers” why would an evangelist not want this wonderful gift.
    Tongues edifies and is clearly Biblical…. Please don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

  • nikki

    I notice I am now banned from leaving a comment.

    I have objected to you telling the world that a child receives his soul at birth which I felt many would use as an excuse to abort their baby and sadly I since then not not allowed to leave a comment. If you do not allow well meaning sisters and brothers to attempt to correct your doctrine, does that not also place your selves in the “dangerous” category?

  • Listening2all

    http://media.tscnyc.org/mp3/20010916S34.mp3 Carter Conlon sermon Run for Your Life – 16 September 2001

  • sANDY

    You know the saddest part of all this is, that when the real happens no one will believe it. I don’t associate with anything that is called Charismatic. All of that is from the devil. However, unless the true people of God become like the Church in the book of Acts, we will miss what God intends and we are worse off than those in the false religions. Christ DID say we would do those things that He did and greater. Why? Because unless His Holy Spirit is manifested in us, Christ died in vain. You never saw Christ barking or howling or raining down gold or laughing uncontrollably. He did however, heal the sick and raise the dead and cause the blind to see. He did call out the religious of His time, the Sadducee and Pharisees. He did call sin, sin. He did NOT gloss over sin. He did not make excuses for sin. Instead He told us to follow after HIM. To walk as He walked. He did tell us to live Holy lives, to be Holy because He is Holy. He did say we were to contend for our faith, through Paul’s and Jude’s writings. He did, through Paul, say we would speak with other tongues, as an evidence of the Holy Spirit. We ALL need to read and re-read the book of Acts, because Jesus is not coming back for a broken down, watered down church!! His word declares that that the latter WILL be GREATER than the former. The church does NOT look to great currently. We can’t even stand the persecution of some one saying something about praying in public, or anything that simple. We whine too much and complain too much. God judged the children of Israel numerous times for their murmuring and complaining. I would not walk across the street for what most call the church, and I have a close walk with God. You talk about tithes, you better read the scriptures. Godly people tithe! If you don’t tithe your 10% to a Spirit of God filled church, you are just as greedy as those that give for the prosperity gospel. God’s not interested in our comfort. God’s not interested in our prosperity. God’s not interested in our happiness. God’s only interest in manifesting His Son, JESUS CHRIST. GOD’S glory will ONLY be manifested in those that want to MANIFEST JESUS CHRIST, and NOT themselves. Therein lies the only way to tell who is a true believer and follower of Jesus Christ: DOES THAT PERSON MANIFEST JESUS CHRIST AND BRING ALL GLORY TO GOD ALMIGHTY.

  • Kosie van DIE plaas

    Geoffrey, may the truth set you free… You are misled by the enemy in so many ways but i pray that God will at His will show you humbleness and respect for other people for only God can judge another person, and that He may remove the veil over your eyes.

    TWR, you my friend need deep deliverence from the spirit of deception and antichrist. I dont know where you missed the plot but its a fine line, still a miss is a miss… Pray that God will remove the veil over your heart before its to late. I read your replies and it is so contradicting to tbe truth… But anyway, i feel that these discussions on this site bring more dividing and falseness than anything else. To many people here have got to many differences and opinions and the enemy is using this to bring false doctrine into yohr lives. For me the articles is good info but the comments sections are seriously ridiculous. Any true Holy Spirit led person will know this. Anyway, thats why im do e with discussions here. I apologise if I’ve offended anyone. My God bless you and keep you, may the Lord make His face shine apon you, and be gracious to you; may the Lord lift up His countenance upon you and give you peace. Numbers 6:24-26

    Peace be with you all
    Kosie van die plaas
    South africa

  • Char

    @Sandy and Kosie, again I say, you are both right on with the correct belief of speaking in tongues. Unfortunately, Geoffrey doesn’t understand the verse in I Corinthians ( let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.”) that Paul is saying NOT to get up in church and give a message in tongues if there is no interpreter, but to pray silently to God (as we do in the privacy of our homes). Paul is teaching the new converts how to have order in the church because they were new to speaking in tongues and didn’t know any better. God bless you both in your knowledge of the full scriptures!

    • twr

      Everybody to to add their own commentary to make God’s word suit their own personal beliefs. Tongues is just speaking another language. Why would you want someone speaking another language unless there was an interpreter? They were traveling to different lands as Christ commanded. In order for them to convert people they had to be able to speak their language. God has purpose for his gifts. If we are all in church speaking the same language does not edify the body. It is just for show in the counterfeit church.

  • Keeplookingup

    Someone please quote me the scripture that supports pre tribulation rapture! I know it is a hotly debated topic, but everything I have been shown makes it at best a stretch.

    • twr

      Rapture is doctrine of the counterfeit church, just like there is no more law.

  • Bo

    By Rev. Mel C. Montgomery
    The most common question, or challenge, I receive from Christians who are unfamiliar with tongues, is to explain the term “prayer language,” and to prove its existence from Scripture. Somewhere in the last two thousand years, someone coined the term “Prayer Language” to differentiate private speaking in tongues from the public gift of speaking in tongues.
    That there are two different kinds of tongues, private and public, is clear from the irreconcilable statements Paul writes about tongues.
    Paul first writes:
    For he [man] that speaketh in an unknown tongues speaketh
    not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth
    him…–I Cor 14:2.
    But later in the same chapter Paul also writes:
    In the law it is written, with men of other tongues and
    other lips will I [God] speak unto this people [men]…–I
    Cor. 14:21.
    In verse two, Paul describes tongues as man speaking to God.
    In verse 21, Paul describes tongues as God speaking to man.
    The type of tongues where men speak in prayer and worship to God, and no other man understands him, is what we have come to call the “prayer language.”
    Paul left us written instructions in I and II Corinthians directed first to the Church at Corinth and also to us today, clarifying the purpose and identifying the proper way of accommodating speaking in tongues.

  • twr

    Nobody questions if tongues is real. How it is utilized by the counterfeit church is what makes it false doctrine.

    1 Corinthians 14:4-6 – One who speaks in a tongue EDIFIES HIMSELF; but one who prophesies edifies the church. 5Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying. 6But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking in tongues, what will I profit you unless I speak to you either by way of revelation or of knowledge or of prophecy or of teaching.

    A bunch of people who all speak the same language speaking in tongues does not edify the body. The counterfeit church have told many that if the don’t speak in tongues, they were not spirit filled.

    Consider also how the first utterance of unknown tongues was described on the day of Pentecost. In Acts 2:11, the Cretans and Arabs said, “We hear them speaking in our own languages the mighty works of God” (emphasis added). The miracle that day was not speaking. It was hearing. The gift of tongues is overemphasized in the counterfeit church today. It is used by many to deceive people into think that a person is filled with spirit. What separates the true church from the counterfeit is how the gifts are utilized. Tongues, especially without an interpreter does not edify the body. It edifies the individual. God is not interested in putting on a show to prove he exists.

  • Edwitness

    Tiptopsaidhe,
    Your date for the writing of Revelation is earlier than any I have heard. Though some have placed the date as early as the reign of Nero, in the 7th decade of the first century. But there are many reasons to reject this date. For one, the early church held that the apostle John was banished to the Isle of Patmos by the emperor Domitian at around 81 to 96 A.D. And some writers place the exile in the 14th year of his reign, A.D. 95.
    This would place it’s writing at a much later date than the letters to the Corinthians. In which the 2nd letter was written almost assuredly in A.D.57. Some months or even a year or more after Paul’s 1st letter to the Corinthians.
    The Apocalypse was written during a great time of persecution. Domitian banished men to various places to exile, but Nero did not. Furthermore, the 7 churches in Asia here show a mature development, which would hardly have existed as early as your A.D.43. So a much later date seems to be the most probable.

    • tiptopsaidhe

      John wrote the Revelation after fleeing Jerusalem to Patmos after the execution of his brother, James, at the hand of Herod Agrippa, who reigned from 41-44 CE.

      Act 12:1 Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church.
      Act 12:2 And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.

      Rome thought they had ended the Herodian dynasty in Jerusalem when they banished Archelaus. Herod Agrippa 1 represents the resurrection of the Beast, the Herodian dynasty. Patmos was just off the coast of Asia, in the Aegean Sea, where John fled the persecution of the Messianic Jews. There were believers in Asia worshiping in the synagogues alongside the non-messianic Jews, which accounts for the 7 churches being addressed in Rev 2 and 3.

      Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

      Five of the Herodian kings were dead. John writes of Agrippa 1 as being the “one is”, with another yet to come (Agrippa II was the last Herod, Acts 25-26) out of the Herodian dynasty.

      Paul wrote 2nd Corinthians in the summer of 57 CE. As mentioned before, Paul writes in 2 Cor 12 that he met a man 14 years earlier who had gone to the third heaven. He is speaking of John and the Revelation, which puts it around 43CE. The Revelation, the Olivet Prophecy, Daniel’s prophecy, and Paul’s writings to the Thessalonians are all speaking about the tribulation and judgment that would fall upon the apostate Jews and, specifically, upon Annas, the High Priest, and his sons, who had persecuted the believers of Messiah. According to Josephus in his writings of the Jewish-Roman war, Annas died at the beginning of the war in the 6th month of 66CE, just as Jesus promised him in Matt 26:64. John 18:13 tells us that Jesus was addressing Annas, not Caiaphas in Matt 26:64.

      Luke even quotes Jesus’ description of how it would look:

      Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
      Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
      Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

      If you read Josephus’ account of the Jewish-Roman war that destroyed the temple and the city of Jerusalem, you will see that Jesus kept his promise to that generation:

      Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
      Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
      Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

      As to your statement that the apocalypse was written during a great time of persecution, you are correct. Agrippa 1 was one of the most ruthless and treacherous of the Herods. During his reign, there was tremendous persecution of the believers of Messiah.

      If the “judgment” didn’t happen as Jesus had promised, we have a bigger problem than talking about “rapture.”

      Btw, the “rapture” comes from a commentary written by a Jesuit Roman Catholic priest name Francisco Ribera, from the 1500s. At that time, the leaders of the reformation were accusing the pope of being the antichrist, so in his commentary, Ribera moved Daniel’s 70th week out to some time in the future to deflect the criticism off the pope and the Catholic church. You can research that yourself. Any chatter regarding pre-trib, post-trib, yada yada is simply perpetuating Roman Catholic doctrine.

      Daniel’s 70th week prophecy is this: God said it would take 70 sevens (490 years) to accomplish this:

      Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to 1) finish the transgression, and 2) to make an end of sins, and 3) to make reconciliation for iniquity, and 4) to bring in everlasting righteousness, and 5) to seal up the vision and prophecy, and 6) to anoint the most Holy.

      Jesus Christ, as Messiah, as God Himself in the form of man coming to earth, fulfilled all 6 of those things. If we just take #6 alone and ask, “Are we awaiting for God to anoint the most Holy at some point in the future?” then we are saying Jesus wasn’t the Messiah, or that God is waiting until some time later to anoint Jesus as Messiah. We know this can’t be true from Luke 4:21:

      Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath “anointed” me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
      Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
      Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
      Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

      Knowing the rapture story is a Catholic deflection should awaken us to look at the bible for what it says and not make up fantasy stories, or worse, perpetuate political doctrine.

      Is Jesus returning for His bride? Yes, I believe He will keep His promise to return for His bride. But, I don’t believe it will look like the myth from the Jesuit Ribera. I’m not sure it is revealed anywhere except in us by the Holy Spirit. We are to have our lamps filled with oil and be ready. Those that were shut out of the wedding feast weren’t offered another chance to enter after the bridegroom had come.

      Blessings!

      • You betray your position with the use of “CE”, or common era, instead of “AD”, in the Year of our Lord. Only agnostics, atheists and apostates would use “CE”…thanks for writing!

        • tiptopsaidhe

          Change it to AD, if that makes you feel better. I ask that you stop perpetuating the Catholic heresy of Ribera on this site. You’re leading others astray.

          • And how are we doing that?

          • tiptopsaidhe

            Geoffrey, you’re leading people astray by perpetuating Ribera’s heresy that Daniel’s 70th week is not yet fulfilled. The most holy has been anointed! You claim Him as your savior! He calls you His own! He put an end to sacrifices and oblations! We aren’t waiting for it to happen “someday” down the road. Please, read the prophecy in 9:24 and pray a prayer of praise and thanksgiving that Messiah came to fulfill what Daniel saw.

            There won’t be an anti-christ in the future who brings about 9:25-27…anti-christ is a spirit, which is in all who are not called by God to know His doctrine (John 7:17). There won’t be another temple built with the blessing of Elohim. He has no need. In Messiah, the sacrifices and oblations have ceased…forevermore!

          • We get our Bible doctrine from the BIBLE, imagine that. Whoever this Ribera is makes no never mind to me. I don’t need a commentary from anyone to see that Daniel’s 70th week never happened.

          • tiptopsaidhe

            You can see that Daniel’s 70th week never happened? Are you telling us you DON’T believe Jesus was anointed “Most Holy?” Surely, that can’t be. If He hasn’t been, we are all in a bit of a bind.

            “Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.”

            God says he set aside 70 sevens to accomplish these six things. Not one or two of them…ALL of them. The use of the word AND in between each of the tasks indicates that it’s all or none. Which do you believe? If you believe Jesus is the anointed Most Holy, then you are required to believe the rest…thus believing God fulfilled the 70th seven. Otherwise, you are still awaiting a Messiah, just as the apostate Jews.

            I’ll allow Jesus, himself, to help you from Luke’s gospel:

            “Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me”

            Jesus confirmed that the Daniel’s prophecy was fulfilled in HIM! Amen!

            You are perpetuating Catholic doctrine. You publish many articles here in opposition to the pope and the RCC. Yet, your major mantra of the site is futurism, which comes directly from the RCC. Please, pray for courage to break free of the catholic doctrine.

      • Edwitness

        Tiptopsaidhe,
        The main issue I think that made you so far off in your dates is where you wrote “that he (Paul) met a man 14 years earlier who had gone to the third heaven. He is speaking of John”….
        But, Paul is not speaking of John. He is refering to himself. The confirmation of this can be found in Gal.1:11-17. “For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, But by the revelation of Jesus Christ.” Where do you think this happened? In 2ndCor.12:7 Paul makes it clear he is speaking of himself in reference to the ‘unspeakable words’ of vs.4 by saying “And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations…”

        Paul is speaking of an experience that he had. Not John.
        This mistake led to your wrong dates.

        • tiptopsaidhe

          Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
          Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

          Edwitness, Paul met Jesus by revelation on the Damascus road…Paul is speaking in Galatians of the gospel that he preaches to the Jews, as revealed to him by Messiah…which they didn’t believe (neither the gospel nor his revelation from Christ), leading to his vow at Cenchrea in Acts 18. Galatians was likely written around 50CE (AD for Geoffrey, since this is his site) at Antioch, after the Acts 15 Council at Jerusalem.

          I appreciate your stance that Paul is speaking of himself when he said “he knew a man above 14 years ago” who had seen the third heaven. “Knew” here means “am aware.” Maybe he’s speaking code in order to keep the persecutors away. Yet, it just doesn’t seem to read that way.

          2Co 11:30 If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities.
          2Co 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
          2Co 11:32 In Damascus the governor under Aretas the king kept the city of the Damascenes with a garrison, desirous to apprehend me:
          2Co 11:33 And through a window in a basket was I let down by the wall, and escaped his hands.
          2Co 12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
          2Co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
          2Co 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)
          2Co 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
          2Co 12:5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.
          2Co 12:6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.
          2Co 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
          2Co 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.

          v.5 says he will glory the one he’s talking about, not himself. v.7 would refute v.5, after he just said he wouldn’t glory himself if he were to be able to have such revelations.

          As to the date of the writing of the Revelation, it’s ok with me if we don’t agree on…all the books in the KJV bible were written prior to the destruction of Jerusalem in 66, with perhaps John’s gospel being recorded as late as 68, but I doubt it, since it makes no mention of the war. What isn’t ok is anyone perpetuating the Roman Catholic false teaching of the Daniel’s 70th week. The story is obfuscation…embellished to protect the pope and RCC. I encourage you to do the research on Ribera and the reasoning behind the intent to confuse. I don’t know why many want to hold his false teaching so closely.

          • Edwitness

            Tiptopsaidhe,
            It does read the way I told you. In vs.7 Paul says “And lest I should be exalted above…” Paul saying “I” relates his story about the one that went to the third heaven to himself.
            I don’t know about Ribera. You tell me what he said protected the pope.
            But, I understand that Rev was written around 95A.D. And I also believe that the pope will be the false prophet. So how does that protect the pope?

  • David

    I’m going to try to say something a little more legitimate. I think that the prosperity “gospel” is a sham, and is inferior to the true good news, that even in suffering, we might know Christ.

  • Concerned

    Straight up, this article need to come down. It has sparked quite a debate. What is the author’s purpose? Is his opinion worth destroying the credibility of this website? Is his opinion worth the time and attention to debate, when we should instead be focused outward on saving a generation. the author is in error when forbidding to speak in tongues. he speaks the bible is the Word of God. Paul writes specifically, “Forbid not speaking in tongues!”

    Therefore, the author has both erred on the side of the gospel, and in creating a division. Take this down to restore any sense of credibility to this website. I enjoy reading articles on here, but hate when trying to divide.

    Speaking in tongues is a MANIFESTATION of the SPIRIT of the LORD. There is a true speaking in tongues. Instead of voicing your opinion, maybe you could try to help build someone’s discernment? There is a tongue of angels, and demons can also possess someone’s tongue. I pray for wisdom for each reader to lean on the Spirit of Almighty God in distinguishing if they are in a church of God.

    • On the contrary, uncontrollable laughter, rolling around on the floor and barking, howling like a wolf are manifestations of Satan in the church.

  • Mario

    This is the part that many brothers in Christ dont get, where in the Bible Christ says that to be saved you must raised dead people, speak in tongues and do miracles? NOWHERE, the Word of Christ is clear, if you believe in your heart that Christ is the Son of God, born of a virgin, crucified in a cross and that he rose at the 3rd day and it is right now in the right hand of God interceding for you and me, if you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth you are saved, if you call in the name of Christ you are saved. PERIOD> STOP ADDING STUFF TO THE WORD OF GOD.

    I have been in plenty Pentecostal churches where they say if you dont speak in tongue you are not truly baptized by the Holy Spirit. That is heresy.

    I used to be a practitioner of Santeria, Spiritism and other evil stuff. What I see when I see these women shaking their bodies is demonic, evil possession of demons, not of the Holy Spirit, God is not the author of confusion. So stop the blindness, God knows I want to use another word but I will content with saying blindness. Stop been deceived by the devil and his fallen agents.

    These shows of people barking, walking like dogs, laughing like nuts/crazy idiots is not of God, these false preachers who act as drunks when preaching is not of God, those false leaders who talk about smoking jehovawana is not of God. STOP DEFENDING THESE APOSTATES!!!!!

  • twr

    @Geoffrey & Jimmy,

    I probably won’t be posting here much longer. I ask and urge you to read this if you want to understand what is going on. There is more false doctrine out there than you know. This will define your status in the kingdom. https://www.facebook.com/twogr/posts/1692267457677932

  • SS

    Gigi is dead wrong. The pretribulation rapture is taught in the New Testament as well as the old. However, if you want to believe you MUST endure tribulation, go ahead. But you will get a surprise if you are still alive. The tribulation has not started. Just because there are people going thru persecution. The tribulation can not start until the CHURCH (Body of Believers in CHRIST) are removed from the earth. That is why when HE WHO LETS, (The Holy Spirit) is removed, to allow the anti christ reign, the Church is removed. If you take the holy spirit and leave the church, that would mean our SEALING with the Holy Spirit is removed. And that will not happen. That’s God’s promise. So quit trying to THINK and sell the post tribulation rapture. We return with CHRIST at the 2nd coming. Otherwise we would be going up and making a direct U-turn. I for the life of me can not understand while people reading the bible do not see plain black and white ENGLISH in front of them. Or perhaps the devil is blinding them. Also remember – The Church has NO purpose in the tribulation. It is for the refinement and gathering of the final JEWISH people here, and to bring judgements down on those who continually turned their back on Christ. So therefore it wouldn’t make much sense for us to be here.

  • Char

    @SS, you were spot on as far as your belief in the PRE-trib rapture. Gigi, I hope you read SS’s comment and open your mind and heart to it. As you say, SS, why wouldn’t people see this and want to believe that He is going to keep us from His wrath. God Bless! I got my bags packed and I’m ready to go and anxious to hear “come up hither” from our Lord!

  • Kwalker

    I would run out these churches,brother!!!

  • jknbt

    see the wiki article about this…it has more facts, less emotion…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology

  • jknbt

    most of the problems with the whole prosperity theology trap go away if this ethic is practiced:

    Always give God your best tithes, gifts, and love offerings that you can:

    Give your tithes to the local church (10% of the gross before taxes & deductions)

    Give your gifts to those in need (the poor, homeless, travelers in need, etc.)

    Give your love offerings to ministries outside of the local church (visiting evangelists, tv evangelists, foreign missions)

    and don’t over-judge the tv evangelists…they are bringing the gospel to places like Iran and the Middle East that are closed to missionaries…the only way someone hears the gospel in these places is to look at satellite tv.

    God will judge the evangelists for how they have used every single penny given to them. Judge not, lest you be judged. Remember you too will be judged for your stewardship. God will apply your own harsh standard to you. So beware.

    • Edwitness

      Jknbt,
      The Tithe is an Old Testament tax. It is not referred to in the New Testament. But, as you said, a love offering is to be given as the Lord leads.

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  • The W-rd says to give tithes to G-d. That does not necessarily meaning giving it all to one place. I have heard false preachers trying to push this false concept. We are to tithe where we are blessed. That also means we need to have discernment and see how our tithe money is being used.

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