The Bible Believer’s Guide To The Two Different Wars Of Ezekiel 38 And 39

Do you clearly see that Revelation 19 show us the Second Coming of Christ with us at the Battle of Armageddon, followed by the binding of Satan, followed by the 1,000 Year Reign and then the Battle of Gog and Magog? Take a moment and read both chapters consecutively and really grab hold of the context and it will begin to become clear to you. When you read it in context you see the two wars are separated by at least 1,000 years.
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Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

“And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:” Ezekiel 39:2 (KJV)

There is a big difference when you study Bible prophecy through the filter of other people’s commentaries, and when you study it for yourself from the inerrant, preserved word of God. This is not to say that commentaires written by Godly bible believing teachers are not good, because many of them are. But they should only serve as a starting point for your scripture studies, they should not be a destination unto themselves. The 38th and 39th chapters of the prophet Ezekiel is where many students of prophecy get hopelessly tangled up because they have a lot of commonalities, but they also differ in many key aspects which prove they cannot be talking about the same war. It’s two different wars, separated by a minimum of 1,000 years. Let’s take a look and see what we find.

Ezekiel 39: The Battle of Armageddon after the Time of Jacob’s Trouble

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)

2 Timothy 2:15 commands us to study the Bible like a “workman”, rightly dividing like a blue collar laborer, and God sometimes will make us work a bit before He will reward us with further light on Scripture. He mentions the last battle first, chapter 38 is the Battle of Gog and Magog, and the first battle last as He unfolds for us the Battle of Armageddon that takes places after the Time of Jacob’s Trouble, otherwise called the Great Tribulation. Please allow me to show you what I mean with the clues that the Holy Spirit has left for us.

Armageddon Prophecy Clue #1: “Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.” Ezekiel 39:4,17 (KJV)

The sister verse to this one is found in Revelation 19: “And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.” Revelation 19:17,18 (KJV)

Revelation 19 is the chapter showing us the Lord’s Second Coming with us on white horses to fight the Battle of Armageddon. That is the context of Chapter 19. The Battle of Gog and Magog is not listed until Revelation 20, where it clearly tells us that battle is not fought until after the 1,000 Reign of Jesus Christ in Jerusalem. See for yourself:

“And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.” Revelation 20:7,8 (KJV)

Do you clearly see that Revelation 19 show us the Second Coming of Christ with us at the Battle of Armageddon, followed by the binding of Satan, followed by the 1,000 Year Reign and then the Battle of Gog and Magog? Take a moment and read both chapters consecutively and really grab hold of the context and it will begin to become clear to you. When you read it in context you see the two wars are separated by at least 1,000 years. Back in Ezekiel 39, we find our second clue:

Armageddon Prophecy Clue#2: “And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.” Ezekiel 39:6 (KJV)

At the end of the Battle of Armageddon, Revelation 19 tells us that Satan is cast alive into the Lake of Fire. Ezekiel 39 shows you that it is here where Jesus kindles that fire that the Antichrist gets thrown into.

“And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.” Revelation 19:20 (KJV)

Armageddon Prophecy Clue#3: “And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:…And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.” Ezekiel 39:9,12 (KJV)

Revelation 20 says that after the Battle of Gog and Magog, we have the Great White Throne Judgment and then eternity. But Revelation 19 says that after the Battle of Armageddon, Jesus prepares the world for a 1,000 reign of peace. The people in Ezekiel 39 do not appear to be preparing for eternity at all, they are doing cleanup to cleanse the earth for the Messiah. More than that, Ezekiel 39 ends with the full and final regathering of the Jewish people to Israel, and not the Great White Throne Judgment. This regathering of the Jews after Armageddon sets up the final battle of Gog and Magog 1,000 years later.

“Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.” Ezekiel 39:28 (KJV)

For these 3 main reasons, we declare Ezekiel 39, in total harmony with Revelation 19, to be the Battle of Armageddon that takes place at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

Ezekiel 38: The Battle of Gog and Magog after the 1,000 Year Reign Of Jesus Christ

Ezekiel 38 is quite different from chapter 39, namely because it shows that Israelis dwelling in peace and safety.

Battle of Gog and Magog Main Prophecy Clues: “After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword,and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them…And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,” Ezekiel 38:8,11 (KJV)

This one, huge prophecy clue shows us that Israel, after having been regathered, is dwelling in peace and safety in their own land. This is exactly how what happens after the Battle of Armageddon, Israel is regathered and experience 1,000 years of peace under King Jesus. Israel has no peace right now in 2015, will experience a shaky false peace under Antichrist, and will finally have actual peace during the 1,000 reign of Christ in Jerusalem. So when Satan is released from the Lake of Fire he was placed in in Revelation 19, he comes out and makes war with God’s people in Israel which is what Revelation 20 declares.

“And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.” Revelation 20:7-9 (KJV)

When Ezekiel says “After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword” that is a direct reference to the “many days and years” of the 1,000 Reign of Christ. One way we know that for sure is he says that Israel is “brought back from the sword”, meaning that their endless wars and fighting have finally ceased. Israel has no peace at all during the Time of Jacob’s Trouble, it’s nothing but tribulation right up to the very moment Jesus returns. But this war in Ezekiel 38 shows the forces of Antichrist attacking a very peaceful and prosperous Israel with no walls and no fortifications. If Jesus is ruling from Jerusalem, there is zero need of defensive walls.

Also, the battle of Ezekiel 38, Gog and Magog, shows a completely regathered Israel, and Israel is not completely regathered until the 1,000 Year Reign of Christ. For these reasons we declare Ezekiel 38 to be the Battle of Gog and Magog shown in Revelation 20 that happens after Satan is loosed after the 1,000 Year Reign. Which is a completely and obviously separate battle from Revelation 19 that occurs before the 1,000 Year Reign.

This is by no means an exhaustive study of the two wars of Ezekiel, we have only skimmed the surface. We hope this study will be a blessing to you.

NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he has a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.

  • Heather

    Oh my goodness, it’s been 2 hours since you posted this and no comments yet. This is going to be a hard study. Perhaps everyone should open their Bible up to Ezekial 38 & 39 now, read, study, and then come back and post their thoughts on this. I have heard talk in the past that Ezekial 38 and 39 are two different wars, but if what you are trying to show us through the scriptures turns out to be that way, alot of people are thrown off right now from past teachings.

    I still can’t comprehend those living in Israel having to burn the weapons for 7 years when the Lord is present. I have some studying to do.

    Geoffrey, what conclusion have you personally come to when the thought of Psalms 83 comes up? Or will that be another article?

    • Great question! I am still studying out Psalm 83, but for now it looks like it happens just prior to the Second Coming during the time of Jacob’s Trouble because of the word “selah” in Psalm 83. Why is the word SELAH so important? Please read this to see what the word SELAH actually means: http://nowtheendbegins.com/pages/doctrine/the-meaning-of-the-word-selah-in-the-bible.htm

    • A lot of people arrive at their conclusions through other people’s commentaries, and that is a dangerous thing to do. Commentaries are great to get you started, but nothing takes the place of studying it for yourself. As far as the “7 years of cleaning up” goes, I see the Lord all over that. When He takes His Throne in Jerusalem for 1,000 Years, He is also commissioning His chosen people with their Promised Land. So He won’t just wave His hand and produce a perfect Kingdom, He will put everyone to WORK as it was in the Old Testament. And what will we, the Church, be doing during this time? Why, ruling and reigning with Him as the Bible says. And what does “ruling and reigning” translate out to be? WORK! Jesus gives us all jobs in His Administration. So, in light of that, now does the 7 years of cleanup make more sense to you?

      • Heather

        Geoffrey! I see it! I read Ezekial 39 first placing it at the time of Armageddon in my mind. Here is a clue also; (actually there is a bunch now that I’m reading it this way) Ezekial 39:22 KJV
        So the house of Israel shall know that I am the Lord their God from THAT DAY FORWARD.
        Also, about the 7 years of burying the dead.
        Ezekial 39:13-14 KJV
        13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to THEM A RENOWN the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord God.
        14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury WITH THE PASSENGERS THOSE THAT REMAIN UPON THE FACE OF THE
        EARTH, to cleanse it: after the end of the seven months shall they search.

        Definition of Renown: The condition of being known or talked about by many people. Fame, distinction, eminence, preeminence,prominence, repute, reputation, prestige, aaclaim, celibrity, NOTABILITY

        The Lord God Almighty shall be glorified for much longer than “THAT DAY”. These will also be exercises of remembrances of the day He destroyed these dead bodies.

        Zechariah 13 : 6 shows His wounds or scars will still be visable. You would suspect with the Glorious Splendor of His Glorified Body there would be no visible injuries. Yet they are for all to remember of the incredible sacrifice He became and made for all who would love and follow Him.
        Any time I ever ask you a question, I want you to know, it is never a challenge question. For I have much respect for the work that you do for the Lord! My dear Brother Geoffrey, may the Lord bless you and keep you.

      • Claudia

        You are so very correct! I’ve studied Bible Prophecy for many years & it never fails to amaze me how intricately interwoven it ALL really is. In my recent studies of the prophecies, the Holy Spirit showed me that there is a distinct difference in Ezek 38 & 39 via Rev 20. THEN, I got online to do some checking & see perhaps there were some articles/commentaries that I could verify this? I found several & yours is the most succinct & clear in explanation. It fits so well. It’s sometimes like putting pieces of a puzzle in place. I have liked your page on FB & look forward to following your ministry until the Rapture! God Bless you brother, this sister is appreciative of your obvious dedication to Kingdom work!!

        • Thank you! As we are fond of saying here at NTEB:

          “The war is real, the battle hot, and the time is short. To the fight!”

  • Heather

    The first thing that is coming to my mind right now that would support what you have written is; Right now, Israel is building more walls and fences thats for sure. Off to study. Bless you Brother!

  • Alayna

    I enjoyed this article and agree. But it gets a bit confusing and run on sentences that are repeated get frustrating for someone like myself, who is a new Chistian. Its clear, two separate wars. Difference being we help fight in the second.

    • Well, as a new Christian did you run all the references I listed and see how they all connect? Did you PRAY and ask the Holy Spirit to lead you and guide you in to all truth? Did you use the King James Bible to study with? Perhaps if you focused on those things, the “run on sentences” wouldn’t be so off putting 🙂 thanks for writing!

      And oh, we get to fight in the first one as we come back on horses (Rev 19:14) – Armageddon, not the second one. In Gog and Magog fire comes down from Heaven and we just watch! (Rev 20:9)

      • mike

        a thought for you:

        i don’t think we “fight” as per
        rev 19:14. we simply follow the Lord.

        in great contrast to the armies of the ENEMY who do the fighting for him; the Lord goes before His army and fights for us.

        THE LORD FIGHTS FOR US.

  • RobiMac

    This makes no sense to me at all. Someone more far more intelligent than me once said that for Israel to be burning the enemies weapons for fuel for 7 years, Ezekiel’s WAR would have to begin 3 and a half years before the 7 year tribulation begins because in the middle of the tribulation, Israel will flee to a place prepared for her in the desert ie Petra, where she will be cared for 42 months. So, she cannot be burning weapons for fuel during that time.

  • kasey

    I originally believed this war brought about the “peace treaty,” which then begins the tribulation. What will shepherd in the peace treaty?

  • Heather

    RobiMac, at the rate things are going right now with what they are doing to raise up The New World Order, I myself don’t see the time of Jacob’s trouble starting 3 1/2 to 4 years from now at all. Israel is building fences and walls right now on the Syrian side to help keep the terrorists and additional refugees out. From what I have been reading on a daily basis, we appear to be on the cusp of it starting. Sustainable Development 2030 HUGE global leaders gathering in a few weeks and then again in Paris in December. It’s my own personal suspicion that they are going to finalize what Pope Francis announces to the world in a few weeks.

    Israel’s President Rivlin just finished a trip to the Vatican from a visit with Dope Francis. Netanyahu has announced he’s ready to discuss the peace process with Abbas with no pre-conditions of his own. I believe everything right now is being discussed behind closed doors, including the building of the 3rd Temple! Netanyahu is to meet with Obama in the near future. They are pulling it together, putting the last few pieces together!

    • Heather

      Excuse me, I said,” It’s my own personal suspicion that they are going to finalize what Pope Francis announces to the world in a few weeks. ”
      Correction: It’s my own personal suspicion that they are going to finalize in December what Pope Francis announces to the world in a few weeks.
      Time is fading, time definitely short!

    • RobiMac

      My bad. Turns out that I was misinformed about the weapons burning for 7 years. Upon reading what Jesus said, “You will not accept me but, you will accept someone who comes in his own name.” That speaks volumes. And it means that not everyone in Israel will be fleeing to Petra. Only a remnant. The rest in Israel will accept the Antichrist, therefore, they will be burning the enemies weapons for fuel during the 7 year tribulation.

      • carson

        Interesting note on the weapons burnt for ..fuel/heat/cooking.
        Some modern smelters now capture the heat from the smelting process that used to be lost, and generate electricity and sell it onto the grid.
        fuel/energy/electricity since most cooking is down via electric. weapons/steel, even the fancy alloy mix armor on tanks, can be smelted back down, energy put into melting it is recovered and put back into the energy grid

        • Brian

          Russia uses a type of wood that is stronger than steel to make their tanks

  • Heather

    I think these refugees /hidden terrorist being pushed into all these countries, and being
    pleasantly invited in its going to continue to get way worse. I believe this is another one of their schemes to bring on the new world order. There has always been wars in the past. It may not be a war that brings the covenant. Why are they so heavily and OPENLY talking about a New World Order? They are creating excuses to bring it into reality and the fleeing refugees will be part of their excuse along with all their other ridiculous lyes!

    The following link is of the Jordanian Prince Al Hassan speaking of the need for global change for also the reason of the problems with REFUGEES. This was from last year. Now why all the sudden so many refugees are fleeing weeks before Francis comes to the US? Why not a year ago, or 2 or 3?

    http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2014/11/11/jordan%E2%80%99s_prince_el_hassan_bin_talal_speaks_to_vatican_radio/1110824

  • Sue

    your email has gone out with the title Eze 39 & 39 rather than 38 & 39. Only just got up then going to church will read later, as it’s 7:30 am here in UK.

  • Larry / vietnamvet1971

    I will add / save your presentation for further study.

    Thanks for your explanation.

  • We do not know the Eternity begins immediately after Gog and Magog in Revelation 20, there could time in between.

    The only thing to justify connecting this part of Ezekiel to Revelation 19 is the similar description of the battles after math. But the Proper nouns all point to Revelation 20.

    Ezekiel 37 is about the Millennium. 40-48 is about the New Heaven and new Earth, not the Millennium as popularly assumed.

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  • Arnold Zyffel

    Good NTEB post. This is why I have not ‘spammed’ this news letter. [lot’s ‘gorpy’ stuff shows up on NTEB, especially in the commentary section’] But this one is a good read.

    After we are in the final heaven, I rekon we will have look back on all of human history which will reveal that ALL prophecy eventually happened exactly as it was prophesied. And we will see that NO ONE interpetated [GWB spelling] all of it correctly. I know Josh McDowell used Ezekiel 38 as a description of Armageddon during a lecture I attended in 1972. Since then, I’ve seen several more interpretations.

    How about this: Psalm 83 describes a war that is shaping up now. A middle east war that stirs the pot even more than it is now. Hatred of Israel will multiply even more leading to the ripening of the crop for harvest; i.e. Rapture. Then Ezekiel 39 happens at the end of the Trib. Ezekiel 38 happens at the end of the mill.

    [note to self, after enjoying a thousand years of peace, don’t get sucked into the wrong side of the Ezekiel 38 war…]

  • Here’s why I disagree, Zephaniah 2:1-2 says Israel will be gathered before the Tribulation;

    1 Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired; 2 Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD’S anger come upon you.

    You cannot say Israel has been gathered if some parts of Israel are living in other parts of the world. Not only are there millions of Jews in North America, but there are millions of Israelites living as Muslims in places like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan, and Afghanistan (the Pathan tribes). No. God has not forgotten those of Israel who have turned to follow pagan gods. He is going to gather them all BEFORE the Tribulation.

    Now compare Zephaniah 2:1-2 with Ezekiel 39:25-28

    25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name; 26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid. 27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies’ lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations; 28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

    No, the war of Ezekiel 38-39 is a Church-Age war which sets up the world for the Tribulation.

    The final rebellion of Gog and Magog has more to do with a protest against the coming destruction of the World which they have built, than with them wanting Israel’s wealth. With the Garden of Eden conditions over the whole world during the millennial reign, it will mean that there are no poor nations anywhere, so their reason for gathering against Israel has nothing to do with envy.

    • David Tesch

      There has been an ingathering going on for the last few decades.

    • Israel is ALREADY regathered right now – BUT – it is not the same regathering that will take place when Jesus returns. When Jesus returns at the end of the Tribulation, He will regather ALL Jews, not just some or most of them. See the difference?

      • Zephaniah 2:1-2 says that Israel will be “gathered” before the Tribulation. This is in the past tense. There will be no more Israelites living outside of the land of Israel at the beginning of the Tribulation. Today Israel is still being gathered. Their gathering is still present and future.

        These are not just Jews, but all 12 tribes of Israel.

        Their final gathering occurs at the End of the Gog/Magog war in Ezekiel 39:25-28. After this time there will be no more Israelites living outside of Israel, until144,000 missionaries are sent out , back to the lands where they had sojourned!

        This is a parallel passage with Isaiah 27:12-13 where their enemies are beaten-off from the Nile to the Euphrates, and then the “Great Trumpet” is blown. This trumpet is a dual-duty trumpet that signals the end of the Church-Age, thus the regathering of Israel, and the return to the last 7 years of Israel’s time. This is also the time of the rapture!

  • Prophet of Tarshish

    The appointed time has been set before the foundation of the earth was laid. The children of the moon are gathering in secret and proclaiming victory before their utter destruction. Do not curse Mecca. Do not curse Persia. Do not curse Syria. Do not curse Edom. For only YHWH Elohim has authority to reign down vengeance. Lament for the brothers of Ishmael and Esau and petition El Shaddai for mercy. A Day is coming when the Truth will appear in the clouds of the shamayim. And the Ben of Elohim will gather His harvest. A Day is coming when Destruction, the imposter, will rise up from the chaos as a beacon and boast of many great things he will accomplish for and with the children of Jacob. Watch and pray with sincerity. Turn away from your trespassing. Acknowledge YHWH Elohim and seek His face. Death is knocking at the door and many who call themselves wise men will open the gates of Sheol with a mighty blast from the Abyss. A Day is coming, it is already at hand, when the sons of Adam give birth to Babel and once again exhault themselves as greater than Elohim. Then YHWH’s breath of fire will wipe them off the face of the earth. It will be done within three and two. Seek His reign. Humble yourselves before the Ancient of Days for His Day approaches like a whirlwind. Watch the seas and keep watch over the coastlines of America. The land will rent in thrice. Judgement is inevitable unless the kings and rulers put on spiritual sackcloth and acknowledge their sin and the sins of the nation. Priase YHWH Elohim! Praise Yeshua Ha Mashiach. Let those with the true Ruach of Elohim give ear.

    • His name is Jesus of Nazareth.

      • Prophet of Tarshish

        Name above ALL names. Amen. Give ear to the author of our salvation. Harken to the words of Elohim. Seek Him earnestly with humility and contrite and He is faithful to save. Yeshua (Jesus) Ha (THE) Messiah (Maschiach). Maranatha!

  • Tommy Daniells

    Already read all this Geoffrey at StraightForwardProphecy.com

  • alain humbert

    So right now, Gog-Magog is stocking weapons &
    stashing cannon fodder in Syria for the Post-Millenial War ?

    I know that quinquennal plans are a Gog-Magoggian fetish,
    but a 1,000-year plan sure beats them all.

  • Brian

    What about Isaiah 17? Damascus has to be completely destroyed at some point. If Israel were to defend herself against an attack from Syria and anhilate Damascus in the process, then Israel would likely live in complete peace for a short time simply due to the utter shock Israel’s enemies, and the world, would be in. The bars and gates would come down. This most likely happens during the Psalm 83 war where Israel is at war with her neighbors.

    Then Russia, Iran, and their allies could march on an unsuspecting and unguarded Israel.

    In order for Israel to burn the weapons of war for 7 years, they must be attacked at least 3 1/2 years before the tribulation. Aren’t the Jews run out of Israel about half way through the tribulation?

    • I agree Brian, Psalm 83 fits in as a late-Church-age war, followed several years later by the Gog/Magog war, also still in the Church-Age. Many will mistake these wars as being the Tribulation itself, and then they will crown the Antichrist! “When they are saying “peace and safety” sudden destruction will come upon them, and they will not escape!”

  • BPound

    Wow I have to say I couldn’t disagree more with this writer’s interpretation of Ezekiel 38/39. Of course there is a 2nd battle of Gog/Magog, after the 1000 years, in the book of Revelation. But the original battle of Gog/Magog presented in Ezekiel 38/39 is all one event, and it is not armageddon. Gog is also not the anti-christ. I believe very strongly that the battle in Eze 38/39 will happen prior to Daniel’s 70th week. In fact, Russia and Iran’s presence now in Syria, along with Putin’s “offer” to Israel to “take care” of their gas fields, makes it painfully clear that Ezekiel 38/39 is drawing quite close to its fulfillment actually…
    But I do believe we will first see Isaiah17:1, Psalm 83, and Ezekiel 28:24-26 all fulfilled pretty much simultaneously. Then, Israel will become secure. Once Israel is secured by defeating its inner ring of hostile neighbors, they will have fulfilled the criteria for the Gog/Magog invasion to take place. Putin will then lead his hordes from Russia, Turkey, Iran, and north Africa to militarily invade Israel. He will attempt to take his “spoil” and also probably get revenge for the Russian & Iranian lives who will likely be lost in this upcoming Psalm 83 war/Isaiah 17 damascus destruction….

    • joan

      I agree with you BPound. What Geoffrey has proposed does not make sense to me at all

    • alain humbert

      Brother BPound,

      no more glaring contradiction with Revelation 20 : 7 – 10
      and II Thessalonians 2 : 8 can be found than the author’s statement,
      in his answer to the very first post by Larry / vietnamvet71
      on the September 10th article about the Russian troops landing
      in Syria.
      Follow closely the discussions on both articles.

  • Bonita Rankey

    I enjoyed this VERY much. I had to print it off so I could read it over and over about 4 times slowly and deliberately because I easily get confused (nearing 60). But I eventually did get what you’re saying about chapter 39 coming first, THEN chapter 38. It makes sense. Thank you.

  • kiwiwatcher

    Greetings brother Geoffery
    I do appreciate the time and effort you put into delving into God’s Word and transmitting its content.

    Excellent topic. Most enjoyable as interpretations from literal and figurative language is keenly sought. Hence the importance of prayer.

    John 16:13
    “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.”

    Most people will have little difficulty in recognising the two battles, however when the first battle occurs will generate significant debate.

    Ezekiel 39:11
    “And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.”

    It is quite apparent that Israel will extend its borders as this area “in Israel” is currently outside of Israel – east of the Dead Sea in Jordan, or ‘to the right of the Dead Sea’ when looking at a map.

    So there will be a war prior to Ezekiel 39. Perhaps a covenant to allow a sense of peace, which allows Israel to prosper and become a very wealthy nation.
    Have numerous questions Geoffrey but first – do you believe there is a difference in Ezekiel 39:16 and the following verse? Seems to be a change in focus. I wonder how/why the heathen dead are buried in verse 11, then later in verse 17, the heathens are offered up as bird food.

    Some thoughts
    The current crisis in the Middle East is orchestrated and managed by the world powers with an objective in mind. Most people usually look upon events as though there are ‘the good guys’ and the ‘bad guys’ but in an un-Godly world – this is not the case. Often both are as evil as each other and supporting a lesser evil is not Godly at all.

    1 John 2:15
    “Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.”

    We look for a ‘good’ politician or politician party. However, both left and right political groups are wings of the same wicked bird. Both have different methods of carrying out satan’s plan.
    Lately it is a privilege to watch God’s prophetic Word come to pass before my very eyes.
    The current aim of world powers is to have ISIL take out Assad and his regime. Currently ISIL is doing the world’s dirty work by removing the annoying pesky Assad. Damascus is feeling the effects of war and will eventually be in ruins. Russia is the fly in the ointment by supporting (albeit on a small scale) Assad. Once his removal is completed then a power vacuum exists and it legitimises the right of another nation to take out the ISIL rebels, and for that nation to extend its borders. A covenant with many nations would also be good idea to enable prosperity and a sense of security – just saying.

    God Bless you all – be home soon.

  • Lee

    I love this website (Blog). This has been such a help to me and better educate me on what is happening and will happen. Praise God

  • alain humbert

    I recommend all Bible-believing brothers and sisters of this site
    to carefully follow the continuing discussion on this article and
    its September 10th companion piece on the landing of Russian troops
    in Syria.

  • Ed Dery

    You error in saying Satan was thrown in the lake of fire in Rev. 19…you must of meant the beast and false prophet. Satan was first thrown into the bottomless pit (Rev 20)(not lake of fire) and then after 1000 years was loosed to deceive the nations, make war, and then cast into the lake of fire. I appreciate some of the things on this web site but everyone reading your words need to “study for themselves” scripture and not accept your ‘teaching’ as always 100% accurate.

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  • Mark

    Another, different, study of the Ez 38 and 39 wars:
    http://www.arewelivinginthelastdays.com/article/gogmagog/gogmagog.htm

    Which one is accurate? That one above, Or Mr Griders?

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  • Tikvah

    Can someone please explain to me when and how the rapture is going to take place. Are we going to meet Yeshua in the clouds then meet again in the “3rd coming” after Armageddon? Im just confused???

  • Pat Graham

    I will have to print this off as well, very good discussions here! Enjoyed and learned something from this. Many thanks

  • Bruce

    Ironic that you state “There is a big difference when you study Bible prophecy through the filter of other people’s commentaries, and when you study it for yourself from the inerrant, preserved word of God.” That is true. But it’s ironic that you would say this, because your entire interpretation of Ezekiel 38 and 39 is taken from Bible commentary. It is from the modern dispensational framework invented by John Darby.

    If you read what Ezekiel 38/39 actually SAY, rather than through the lens of your preconceptions, it is clearly and explicitly speaking about a prophecy that already took place in Ezekiel’s day, the days in which he spoke it. There is not a single hint of the prophecy being about our day at all.

  • Luis Diaz

    ok, this makes sense. I always thought that Israel would be at peace after the 83rd Psalm battle, when Israel would defeat all her immediate neighboring enemies. I will continue to study these two battles further…. thank you for your insight.

  • Randall Bolster

    Sorry but Ezek 38/39 is Pre-Trb..

    1) As Rightly Divided Scripture states according to Dr Arnold Fruchtenbaum, Dr Thomas Ice, Jack Kelly, Chuck Smith, Chuck Missler, Randall Price, Tim LaHaye, and Joel Rosenberg et al..

    2) Looks like there is confusion that there are Two Gogs = 2 Gog Wars – One Pre-Trib & One End of Mill Kingdom. One Gog dies on the mountains of Israel with his army eaten by ravenous birds and wild beasts(Ezekiel 39:4). The other Gog gets consumed by fire from heaven. (Revelation 20:8-9).

    3) Preposterous to believe that Israel would be able to rebuild Temple during 1st part of Trib with all those Ezek 38 Muslim nations still in operation…

    Sources:
    Jack Kelly
    https://gracethrufaith.com/end-times-prophecy/the-end-times-according-to-ezekiel-part-1/

    Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum, The Footsteps of the Messiah: A Study of the Sequence of Prophetic Events, Rev. ed. (Tustin, CA: Ariel Ministries, 2003), p. 121-123..

    Dr Ice;
    http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/ezekiel-38-39-part-24
    http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/ezekiel-38-39-part-25
    http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/ezekiel-38-39-part-26
    http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/ezekiel-38-39-part-27
    http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/ezekiel-38-39-part-28
    http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/ezekiel-38-39-part-29
    http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/ezekiel-38-39-part-30

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  • Me again

    Watch this video. It is in agreement with this post:

  • These are two hotly debated chapters. From my brief study of them, I can see how it is easy to come up with several variations on who, when, where, etc.

  • I have never seen that. Great perception brother. Thank you.

  • валерий лобанов

    The Millennium in Heaven. And it is already ending. So there is no interruption in the thousand years between the wars.

  • ann elliott

    this article is wrong , and i told them so they deleted me

  • Charles Wesley

    Geoff I am of the view that there are 3 Gog and Magog wars . #1 Ezekiel 38 before tribulation which the AC will use to pose as Jesus come back to save Israel . #2 Ezekiel 39 Where Jesus actually comes against the Armies that surround Israel where he leaves 1/6th alive . #3 Rev 20 verse 8 After the 1000 year reign the final battle .

    • Ezekiel 38: The Battle of Gog and Magog from Revelation 20
      Ezekiel 39: The Battle of Armageddon from Revelation 19

      The only other possible third war is found in Psalm 83:

      “They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.” Psalm 83: 4 (KJV)

      This war seems to be composed entirely of Muslim attackers.

  • RandallB

    Geoffrey: Great Site!

    If Ezek 38 is at the end of the Mill Kingdom, where Jesus has been ruling for 1K years, how do you explain V23??

    23“I will magnify Myself, sanctify Myself, and make Myself known in the sight of many nations; and they will know that I am the LORD.”’

    Why would the Lord need to make Himself “known” to the nations at this point…. How could the nations not already know that He is the Lord??? Nope —Makes MUCH more sense if this were in a Pre-Trib time frame.

    And there are many more inconsistencies with Mr D Paul Beck’s theory of Ezek 38 & 39 being Post-Trib.

    Dr Arnold Fruchtenbaum, Dr Thomas Ice, Jack Kelly, Chuck Smith, Chuck Missler, Randall Price, Tim LaHaye, and Joel Rosenberg et al.. ALL agree that Ezek 38/39 are Pre-Trib.

    You may want to check out those references from my March 28th posting above as well as others. Mr D. Paul Beck and his theories are really not even in the same league.

    You owe it to your readers.

  • RandallB

    Another issue that is pointed out by that list of Pre-Trib supporters is that Rev 20 declares that satan gathers the attacking army together from all over the world. Contrasted with Ezek 38 which declares that the Lord brings the army from the uttermost parts of the north with hooks in their jaws,

    Rev 20 — satan gathers
    Ezek 38 — Lord gathers

    Vast difference indeed.

  • RandallB

    Another issue just came to mind.

    The Commander of the Ezek 38 Armies is buried “east of the sea” in the valley of Hamon-gog.
    The Commander of the Armageddon Armies of Rev 19:20 (beast or anti-christ) is thrown alive into the Lake O’ Fire.

    Two completely separate fates for these two separate Commanders.

    I do see a gap between Ezek 39:20 and 21 where the view does catapult to the end of the Trib where the Lord is now talking about setting His Glory among the nations during the Mill Kingdom.

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