I Hate To Break It To You, But God Does Not ‘Hate Fags’

Don't get me wrong, God hates same-sex "marriage", and He hates everything associated with the LGBT lifestyle just like He hates all sin. But ask yourself this, does it...
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How much do you care to see the lost get saved and the prodigals come home?

“And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.” Luke 14:23 (KJV)

We went street preaching today, just like we have done nearly every, single Saturday since March 24, 2012. The Lord has given us an outdoor pulpit at the corner of St. George and Hypolita Streets, and a “congregation” numbering in the thousands, made up of locals and tourists from all over the world to preach to. We have been blessed to see many get saved, lost prodigals come home, and have prayer with a countless number of people who stopped and asked for prayer.

But today I saw something that made me mad. Really mad.

Just a few blocks down the street from where this photo was taken, there was another group of people also holding signs. But unlike our signs, they did not use Scripture. They had one large sign which said this “All Homos Will Burn In Hell”. They had no gospel tracts to hand out, only that large sign, and a whole hatful of hate.

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This is our mission field, where is yours? As a Christian, you are commanded to have one. Don’t you think it’s time you started?

So I stopped and asked the man if he believed that homosexuals could be saved. He didn’t answer me, he just looked dead ahead. Again I asked him is he thought that God could save even the worst of homosexuals, he grudgingly muttered something I couldn’t quite hear, but I think he agreed with me.

So then I asked him if that was true, why wasn’t he trying to reach the lost LGBT person with the Gospel? After all, Jesus did die on the cross for them, too. He said “fags deserve to burn in Hell”, and with that I walked away. But not before I told him that he was in violation of the Gospel call to reach the lost. As we walked away, it made me think. How many times have I been in hardcore, fundamental Bible churches in my life where the preacher from the pulpit bashed homosexuals like it was the only sin you could commit. I have heard multiple pastors say in their sermons that “queers are not welcome in this church!” Lost people not welcome in a church? How can that be?

Is homosexuality a worse sin than fornication, or murder, or lying, or gossip, or pride…? No, it is not.

Don’t get me wrong, God hates same-sex “marriage”, and He hates everything associated with the LGBT lifestyle just like He hates all sin. But ask yourself this, does it really matter which sin sends you to Hell? I don’t think it does. Does God “hate queers”? No, He shed His blood to save them if they will receive it. But how will they hear without a preacher??

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It used to be only Westboro Baptist that had the market cornered on moronic hatred of gays and anyone else they didn’t approve of, but not any more. I am seeing more and more Christians opening their mouths and pronouncing eternal Hell fire on any and all gay people. This is very wrong. As Christians we are called to love the unlovable and tell them about Jesus Christ so they can get saved.  That’s our mission. People don’t go to Hell because they’re homosexual, they go to Hell because they’re lost and don’t have a Saviour. When was the last time you told a lost homosexual lovingly how to get forgiveness of their sins and get saved?

Maybe it’s time for you to get in the game. Click here to order a box of our street-tested NTEB Gospel Tracts, and start reaching the lost, the prodigal, the homosexuals, the fornicators, the thieves and robbers you come in contact with on a daily basis with the life-changing gospel of Jesus Christ. And if you are a member of the LGBT and are reading this, email me and I will gladly take the time to tell you how to get saved.

Jesus loves you, and so do I.

NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he has a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.
  • Dr Bob Chapman Ph.D, D.Min, MA, BA

    Geoffrey, Yes you are right. What we need to see is,

    MORE ELISHAS WITH THIS ATTITUDE:-

    Every day the world relentlessly pushes its evil agenda through the media and in its wake, Christians and Christian values are being swept aside. This is not new; it’s been active since the bride of Christ was revealed two thousand years ago, (Rev.12)

    In the midst of this current tide of relentless sin, I find myself becoming increasingly concerned for the eventual destiny of the sinners. Yes, I could turn away from their need of salvation and enter a monastery somewhere but, when I consider how God views the present, satanic, forces raging against His elect I am moved with Godly urgency, just as Jesus was, to seek and save these lost souls and bring them to the marriage feast of the Lamb, (Matt. 22).

    But how do we stem this current, raging tide of evil? Well – we need an army of Elishas – not to burn sinners off the face of the earth – but an army that stands fearlessly, acts fearlessly and loves fearlessly in order to bring sinners to their senses spiritually just as Elisha did with the sinners before him, see (2Kings 6:13-23):-

    He knew God and heaven’s multitude were with him. (6:16-17)

    He knew God would answer him. (6:18)

    He knew where to lead the sinners to once God gave them into his hands. (6:19-20)

    He knew God’s compassionate heart for sinners. (6:21)

    He knew how to save sinners. (6:22)

    He knew how to revive the saved. (6:23)

    Those who come against us today in an attempt to overwhelm us need to know that we – like Elisha:-

    Know God, Jesus Christ, and heaven’s host.

    Know God answers our prayers.

    Know the way that leads to life.

    Know compassion.

    Know the way of salvation.

    Know how to revive saved souls.
    Blessings

    Bob

    • DEAR Dr Bob Chapman Ph.D, D.Min, MA, BA says

      RELIGIOUS ONES FORGET THAT ELISHA NOT ONLY HEALED THE WATERS AND DID MORE MIRACLES THAN ELIJAH, BUT HE ALSO CURSED THE BOYS WHO MOCKED HIM AND TWO BEARS CAME AND DESTROYED HIM

      SO IF GOD WANTS EVERYBODY TO BE SAVED WHY DID HE ALLOW ELISHA TO CURSE HIS ENEMIES AND CAUSE THEIR PREMATURE DEATHS?

      • Jim Black

        There is no such thing as a premature death in the eyes of God. In our eyes, yes. Every man, woman and child’s life is in his hands and if He sees fit to allow them to die in terms of what we would call premature, then we don’t understand that he is just in all that He does. God allows what we would choose to disallow, and disallows what we think He should allow.

        “God’s ways are not our ways, nor our thoughts His thoughts. As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are God’s ways and thoughts higher than ours.” (Isa. 55:8,9)

    • Wendy

      Hey, Bob…..
      That was beautiful!!
      AMEN!!!!!

    • klaus

      Bob,
      You might seek and witness but you do not save anyone. Our Lord saves and brings them closer.

    • David

      I see things a little differently. I believe there is premature death. Our people die for lack of knowledge. There is a world of sin between our responsibility and taking up our scepter of authority. Few of us will GROW into all that God has for us. To the extent we fail to do so, we will take our stripes for it.

      Although we can be saved from sin by repentance, we still pay the price for that sin. God allows temptation. Evil has limitations God places upon him. If we give place to sin, this is legal authority for us to be tempted.

      We need to go through temptations to gain strength by overcoming it, until we no longer “go there”. Then we can move on to greater things. Until we overcome whatever that issue is, we will continue to experience the temptation of it or to walk in that wilderness.

      There are no short cuts. The saved can continue to wander in the wilderness until the second coming, or we can make up our minds to overcome these things. When the pain of remaining the same is greater than the pain of change, then we will change.

      If you can’t over come this… God can’t use you like you are anyway. YOU… are the big if !!! WE, ARE OUR OWN WORSE ENEMY. God doesn’t need to feel sorry for us either. He has given us all there is that is needed to overcome by providing a way of escape.

      The gentleness and purity and holiness of the spirit in the midst of our temple is our guide. BUT… WE HAVE A CHOICE.
      We are to overcome the self. The ego. To slay the first dragon. We are all in a different place with God.

      A rule of thumb. Whatever weakens your reason, obscures your sense of God, takes off your love of spiritual intimacy, or impairs the tenderness of your conscience. Whatever increases the authority of the body and mind over the spirit, is sin to you, however innocent it may seem to be itself.

      Having the testimony of Yeshua, this thing of keeping the law will work. It makes no sense to live as the churches do, and living in the curses, when we can keep his covenant, and walk in the blessings he has for us. God says, if you will do this, then I can do that. If you refuse to do this, then I cannot do that. God can never go against his own word.

      As we live with the spirit within us, we do not wilfully sin. However, I do not pray that God remove temptations from my life. The greater the storm in our lives means, God knows you can handle greater struggles. Thank him for all things good or bad and never waver from taking your eyes off Yeshua. The stronger the opposition, the stronger we grow in him, until we come to a greater place in him. We can move from one glory to the next.

      To my understanding, existence is made of five dimensions of the energetic and seven of the spiritual or of hyper-dimensional space. The adversary has nine stones of the mind of God. There are then, nine spiritual bodies to inhabit.

      Few will ever reach this, while physically alive, but it is possible. As I understand it, there are five crowns for us to our overcoming, that we may attain to lay at his feet.

      It is the job of the holy spirit to convict the heart. Not ours. Ours is to bring the message and be scriptural first, so we can then be spiritual. If we walk with the testimony of Yeshua, and keep the covenant, then the blessings in our lives will draw others unto us, seeking to know what we do that they do not.

      In going through temptations, we develop the experience that in overcoming the temptations, we can be of use in teaching the lessons learned. The effectiveness of ministry is in the knowledge and experience gained by overcoming. How can anyone teach what they have not lived ? There is a difference between knowledge, and experience. Then too, there is head knowledge, but we also need that knowledge in our hearts.

      If I get the urge to judge someone and tell them this is wrong, or that is wrong, I should first ask myself, how many days did I fast and pray over this question, and 99.9 % of the time, I will not want to judge anyone. All the world, even on TV, all they do is JUDGE THIS, OR JUDGE THAT.

      I know there is more than one item for each of us to deal with at any given time. We have to deal with that log in our eye first, before we point out the sliver in anyone else’s. By the measure we judge others, will be measured to us also.

      Remember this one ? IF YOU CAN’T SAY SOMETHING NICE….

    • Nenad

      There is much bigger thing here!

    • John Doe

      Homosexuality is an abomination and not just a sin. You are going against God’s creation plan and that really irritates him. People need to stop spreading stuff that is not true and misuse Bible scripture to their own liking.

  • Our True GOD who art in HEAVEN LOVES Ye All Everyone Forever through HIS SON JESUS CHRIST FOREVERMORE!!

    It’s time to REPENT UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NOW!! “TRUST in the LORD with all Thine HEART and lean NOT on thine own understanding, in all thy ways Acknowledge HIM and HE shall Direct thy Paths” ( Proverbs 3:5-6 KJV )!!

    Thus: Please Everyone “TRUST in the LORD JESUS CHRIST with all Thine HEART and SOUL TODAY”

    Happy Father’s day to all the Father’s!!

    Am Yisrael Chai FOREVERMORE!!

    Love and Shalom Everyone,

    Kristi

    • eddie santana

      Dang Kristi, you have a cute name, but you are so showy. :)~

  • John

    Great post Geoffrey.

  • hannah

    According to the bible ‘Sodomites will not enter the Kingdom of God’… (Mathew 7:21-23) (Matthew 13:41-42) Homosexuals will NOT enter the kingdom of God.. You do NOT offend God and think you will go to heaven, won’t happen… Homosexuals will be in HELL with the others that refused the Lord God’s word… I don’t know where you get your information but I studied theology and God does NOT change His law for man, period!!!!

    • Maybe you just need to read the whole Bible. “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that ANY should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” 2 Peter 3:9 (KJV)

      • Char

        My Dad was a minister and my sister is gay, but she says that God made her that way, just like he made others straight. She will not listen to any scripture because she says some gays just do this for the thrill of it, but God knows that she was born this way because he made her, so what do you say to someone like that. We have gotten into some heated discussions as I am born again, but I had to just not discuss it with her anymore and I just pray for her that the Holy Spirit will convict her because she knows the right way from our father being a Pentecostal minister, but he never confronted her with it. He’s gone to be with the Lord now, but I’m sure she was in his prayers every night.

        • Char,
          What does not make it to the Main Stream Medias is the fact of thousands of gay people who go straight, get married, have kids and live happily ever after. Most of these people had at one time claimed that God made them gay.
          Our Lord Jesus Christ knew each of us before we were in our mother’s womb. He is the Author of the unique digital code in your DNA – such an intelligence (beyond all of us) that could make an original, unique DNA for each person to ever have lived – can you wrap your mind around that miraculous act only our Creator / God / Jesus Christ could accomplish?
          We live in a time so special because Science has proven so much. Something very humorous is that there are hundreds of scientists trying, for many decades now, to find the “intelligence” that created the unique digital code in our DNA – the very first DNA of the first man. “Random” is proven to be a myth, and not actually possible – they are looking for the “intelligence” that created the first cell. Most will not say that it is God because they do not want to lose their funding / grants / and such.
          Your sister can wear different clothes, and even have medications / operations to change something about herself to make her think she is a man – but her DNA will always be female – period – she cannot change that. The thing that makes her unique from any other human to ever live – her DNA – will always be female.
          Many mortal men (an epidemic) claim there is no God because Satan has convinced them, and puffed them up, to believe they are gods – and they cannot stand the truth of their mortality – ironic, huh! Some are so vain in themselves that they decide that God is wrong about the sex He chose for them, and decide to be the opposite. Very sad, deserving of our prayers for them. To pray for Believers is easy – praying for those who hate us and God is not as easy, but what Jesus would have you do.
          Mortal sin – the sin that does stand apart from all other sin (i.e. other sins are basically equal) – is to believe in the gospel regarding Jesus Christ, to repent, and to accept Jesus as your Lord and savior . . . and then turn from God and embrace Satan and Satan’s ways.

          • alain humbert

            Sister Juanita,

            DNA proved to be a major embarrassment to the
            “Church of Evolution”, since it’s a tacit proof to

            Genesis i : 25.
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            The Greek philosopher Democritus, probably the
            first atomist of the ancient world, emitted the idea that atoms account for the diversity of species in the universe, by their random association with each other.

            But he was also a believer in the spiritual and kept
            the physical world separate.

            The “Spontaneous-Generation”-ists seized upon his ideas
            to paint GOD out of the comfortable picture of their by-evolution-issued world.

            Louis Pasteur(1822-95)disproved the theory in 1859.

            But, surprise surprise, his no-less illustrious contemporary Charles Darwin(1809-82) believed in it
            & published his “Origins of Species” the same year !

            Thats all the 2 scientists had in common, the age at which they passed away, and the date of their landmark opposite accomplishments.

            For Pasteur the Christian believed In GOD The Creator.

            And Darwin the ex-Christian believed in chance & necessity and evolution.

            (Just google “spontaneous generation charles darwin”
            and you will be stunned by the modern defenders of both)

            The modern “Spontaneous Generation”-ists no longer call themselves as such, but the GOD-less belief is still there under various fallacious names.

            (whatever to do away with the pestilent idea of Intelligent Design and Creation)

            And busily salvaging Democritus’ atomic interaction
            plus electric-spark-activation (Stanley Miller in 1953) plus radiation from our particular star to “open” the atoms, and therefore allow them to react with each other to create life on their own.

            Yeah, like the rays of our Sun turned Kal-El into Superman and the chance lightning bolt animated Dr.Frankenstein’s giant homunculus to life.

            Just whatever to explain the Universe but GOD !

            Back to DNA. Its structure was discovered by Drs.Crick
            & Watson, 2 atheist scientists who got Nobel-prized in 1962, on the basis of their ripping off the works by
            a Lady scientist colleague of theirs whose part was painted out in their acknowledgments.

            I have read “The Double Helix” by Dr.Watson and it reveals what learnt crooks both are.

            —————————————————-

            Genetics took a giant leap forward thanks to DNA.

            The GOD-hating totalitarian regimes spared nothing to demonstrate that man is no different from animals and that they can be mongrelized with each other.

            The story of the mule gave such Darwinian crooks like Ivanov & Pavlov(who discovered the technique of brainwashing) hope that they can make apeman.

            Unamable experiments were conducted in the 1920s by Pr. Ivanov that ended in complete failure.
            (see “Blasts from the Past:The Soviet ape-man scandal” in The New Scientist, for the whole hare-brained skim
            to prove Darwin bright and GOD dull)

            However, it’s a Soviet book of the late 80s :
            “The origins of man”, that discreetly show that the hybridized gene of ape and man shrivels out completely, due to ADN incompatibility, and therefore produces nothing, not even a stillborn shriveled mummy !

            The results were starkly presented without any
            comment that would have earned the authors the gulag.

            However, in Awfoul-Joe’s days, such heresy …

            Yet recently, when arch-atheist Pr.Richard Dawkins was interviewed on the issue, he pontificated that DNA is irrelevant to evolution, since each newly evolved species will create its “Own New DNA”(…!)

            Yeah, the oyster and the squid are both mollusks
            but one has eyes and the other shells.

            The platypus looks like a composite of duck and castor,
            with a teethed bill and a venomous sting to boot.
            Its female lays eggs and nurses the young ducklings with her milk.
            And yet it’s no transitional species.

            The fish-like amphoxius has a proto-vertebra, but no eyes or mouth, just a buccal cavity.
            And yet is no missing link between worm & fish.
            The Encyclopedia Britannica described it in semi-academical terms as
            “Neither fish nor worm but something in between”.

            Each species is in its own DNA rights that protect
            its property from crossing-overs.

            Why Pr. Dawkins didn’t try to crossbreed say,
            oyster & octopus ?
            After all they are related.
            The end result will sport new DNA.

            And today they are at it again with elaborate gene-splitting eugenics in the hope of creating
            super monsters.

            “I have the right to do anything,
            but not everything is beneficial.”
            I Corinthians x : 23

            Picture this cartoon :
            A giant strand of DNA crosses diagonally the picture,
            as a barbwire barrier.
            On one side you have
            an amoeba
            a worm
            an insect
            a scorpion
            a lobster
            a fish
            a lizard
            a rat
            queueing before the barrier.
            Inside the barrier, hopelessly enmeshed is a big ape
            in suit & tie, trying to cross to the other side and become human.
            On the other side, papa Darwin looks discomfitedly at
            his utterly broken power wire-cutter named “Evolution”,
            with which he tried to open the way for his darling.
            And last but not least, Pr.Dawkins points
            to the DNA without even looking at it and disdainfully dismisses : “Irrelevant !”

            As Christians, we take our world view from

            Hebrews xi : 3
            John i : 3
            Psalms xxxiii : 6
            Genesis i : 1
            Psalm cxxxix : 14

            However from the above Scriptures, some deistic theologians see GOD As only Creating the Physical Universe; and then irresponsibly leaving it to run
            as a robotic mechanism until entropy come.

            That was probably what the renegade priests thought
            in their idolatrous conscious state, when they said :

            “The Lord seeth us not; The lord hath forsaken the earth”

            Ezekiel viii : 12

            But :

            Hebrews i : 3
            Colossians i : 17
            Romans xi : 36

            Show us That GOD Upholds HIS Creation Continuously By THE WORD OF HIS POWER WHO IS our LORD.

            Astronomer Fred Hoyle staunch opponent of Creationism, to explain however the Sustenance and Maintenance of the Universe, by mathematical methods calculated that every second and per cubic mile of space,
            “One Hydrogen Atom is born”

            Then there we are ultimately, Spontaneous Generation.
            However, there is no spontaneous generation
            But
            GOD’S Divinely-Ordained Spontaneous Generation,

            AKA GOD’S Creation.

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            GOD BLESS you.

    • eddie santana

      Dang, Hannah, you have a cute name too, but you should grasp the concept “hate the sin, but love the sinner.” Although it seems like some/most American sinners are gospel-hardened, the deal is you plant the seed, and then walk away and let God water it and reap the harvest. I John talks about “a sin leading to (spiritual) death,” but i really don’t think homosexuality is it.

      • Kelly

        Nowhere in the Bible does God say to hate the sin and love the sinner. God does however say over and over again to hate the sinner.

        Once again luke warm “Christians” rear their ugly heads.

    • Kelly

      Well said Hannah. So tired of limp wristed “Christians” bashing God fearing men and women of God for speaking truth.

    • terri

      Well then you might as well say Jesus lied as he did not exclude homosexuality from being forgiven. It is against God for a man and women to live together before marriage. I did and then we got married, got divorced and lived together for the next 20 some odd years. Some sins are hard for people to overcome. The only one who has the right to say if a person or a group of persons are going to hell for lifestyle choices would be Jesus as he died a horrific death so we could be with him for eternity. I believe there are practicing gays that are Christians the only difference between a Christian and none Christian practicing homosexuality is the guild the Christian will feel as they KNOW it is wrong

      • David

        It is the holy spirit that convicts the heart. If you believe you can get into heaven by living what some call a “lifestyle choice”, and remain in a homosexual relationship, then you are sadly mistaken. Call yourself anything you want. Christian, Buddhist, whatever. If you live in sin as does the homosexual, and you do NOT REPENT and turn from your sin, you are going to burn. It’s that simple. God is holy, and as the creator of perfection, he cannot go against his word. He never will. He is a God of judgement.

        The judgement of God for those who are homosexual and die without repenting, has been shown to Mary K. Baxter. She was taken in the spirit and shown this in hell by Jesus. Believe it or do not. It is the holy spirit as I said, that convicts the heart.

        By the way… a true Christian, stays away from sin, and repents and prays daily. They do not live in wilful sin. Nor are they wilfully ignorant.

  • Bill Vice

    You are wrong when you say god hates gay marriage.God is incapable of hatred I don’t agree with gay marriage but nteb should not say that god hates anything.Pure love cannot hate

    • God hates sin, in all it’s many forms…order some tracts and go witness to the lost.

    • Nathan H.

      I’ve never posted on here, but long time lurker. Call it pride, but I just had to reply to this. Bill, simply put…you are ignorant to the Word. Please don’t post falsehoods of God and confuse others if you don’t know what you are talking about.

      http://www.gotquestions.org/does-God-hate.html

      • Kelly

        Well said. Rebuke these false brothers.

    • Silvana Smith

      Seriously Bill Vice, does nobody read their Bible anymore??? You need more Scripture, just let me know! SMH!!!

      Proverbs 6:16 (KJV) 16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

      Deuteronomy 16:22 (KJV) 22 Neither shalt thou set thee up any image; which the Lord thy God hateth.

      Psalm 5:4-6 (KJV) 4 For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee. 5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. 6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the Lord will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

      • suez

        Amen, Silvana. I was going to post your very same words!!!!

    • Kelly

      Here are 4 verses that call you a liar:

      https://carm.org/does-god-hate-anyone

    • David

      God is a God of judgement in his majestic perfection. All sin will bring it’s own end. God…does not love all mankind equally. That, was an astounding revelation to me. I believed all my life that all mankind is equally loved. God however does have the apple of his eye. They are the children of Israel. His lost sheep. This, is his inheritance.

      His word will not return void. He does have an actual plan of salvation as in the bible codes. All things will be revealed, but all that will be revealed is not in the KJV bible. Now the boys in the red dresses worship Satan openly in the Vatican.

      So, there are his prophets, and God does nothing without first revealing it to his prophets, but the denominations do not have the council of the prophets. The codes were told to one that did not believe this when he was told about it, and is an expert in math. Now he knows.

      Sin makes God angry, with a righteous anger. Even Jesus displayed anger, in seeing the synagogue turned into a den of thieves. How many churches have mass on a Sunday, which is completely irrelevant to God because that isn’t the Sabbath. Then when is the biggest shopping day ? His Sabbath. Saturday. Soon there will be a Sunday law. Keeping the Sabbath is a sign between God and those who belong to him, forever. One God, one set of commandments for all.

      God can be hurt…did you know that ? His holy spirit is so gentle and he’s like nothing else. Such perfection above all else in the world. Hearing him in the midst of our temple is everything. All that Jesus ever did was not of his own will, but that of the father, as Jesus always remained in unity following the holy spirit leading a perfect life.

      What we see as important in our lives is not what God sees as important. We have an effect on those with whom we come in contact, and the attention needs to be the LOVE. By following the leading of the spirit always. If we were as intuitive as being able to feel the emotional effect we had on others, we would not live the way we do, nor do many of the things we now do, because we would know it would hurt someone else.
      To love others as we love ourselves…that’s pretty self explanatory. God has no part in sin being the author of perfection in all that exists. He is not responsible for the sins we partake of, we are, by our free will to do so. God will never interfere with free will.
      What did Jesus do when his cousin John had his head taken ? He prayed. Or when is best friend Lazarus died ? He raised him back by calling his spirit to come forth out of his sleep.

      God takes no pleasure in sin, but loves the sinner and ever waits for the heart to turn to him in repentance. Love can never force and always draws to us…as we draw near to him. We are the limitation. We need to hear the word, to even begin to see ourselves as God sees us. In so doing, we change.

      Not to do, is not to really know. For to know and not to do, IS sin. Most people do not have the complete understanding what sin is, including myself. I thank God I am at the starting gate. He has dealt in great abundance with me, and I continue to be in awe of those things revealed to me.

    • dave

      Psalms 5:5  The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

      Psalms 11:5  The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

      Many of you are biblically illiterate.

  • watchman48

    Amen! Surly the time left is very short and this needs to be said more…

  • hannah

    The only way homosexuals will enter the kingdom of God is if they turn from there evil ways of sinning against God… God warns those who call themselves “Christians” yet deny and ignore His words.. According to the bible, a person living in Homosexual sin, will NOT inherit the Kingdom of heaven…

  • DEAR GEOFFREY, ANY FOOL CAN PREACH DEMONIC DOCTRINES! HOWEVER GOD HATES LIARS. SO IF A FAG IS A LIAR GOD HATES HIM FOR GOD’S WORD IS UNCHANGING:

    Proverbs 6:16 These six things the LORD hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:17 A proud look, A lying tongue, Hands that shed innocent blood,18 A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that are swift in running to evil, 19 A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren.

    YES GOD HATES A FALSE WITNESS NO MATTER WHO HE IS!

    MAY I ALSO REMIND YOU

    Proverbs 12:1 Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge, But he who hates correction is stupid.

    Proverbs 13:5 A righteous man hates lying, But a wicked man is loathsome and comes to shame.

    • Maybe you need to spend some time in the Pauline epistles, and learn what the marching orders are for our dispensation. Just curious, how often to you witness with the lost and plead with the prodigal to come home?

      • Yes. Doing in depth study of Matthew right now. I recommend everyone remember that being in judgement of others is not among the attributes of a Christian – the beatitudes in Matthew are a good place to start looking at our own Christian character . . . then move along to The Lord’s Commandments listed after that in Matthew. We cannot go wrong praying on these scriptures, and work on ourselves by being one who is a good example of Christian Character. I will never be perfect, but with the Holy Spirit inside of me, I do want to be the best Christian I can be.

        • klaus

          Wrong, we as Christians have every right to judge a brother or sister that has strayed off the path. However we ourselves do not judge but Gods word is very clear on what is right or wrong, God Judges through his word. If we point that out then God is the one judging not us.

          • Klaus, I did reply to you yesterday, but it found it’s way at the end of all these posts. It does address you. God Bless.

    • Wendy

      And may I remind you, Brother, that God AND man find your extreme harshness ugly. That won’t win ANYONE to Christ.

      1st Corinthians 13:1~~
      If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

  • I agree with you Geoffrey. I have been sharing the gosspel with my male co-workers who are in the gay lifestyle at present. I know Jesus died for them as well and wants me to continue to reach out to them with his love,forgiveness and mercies. Whatever seeds I have planted I pray God will use other believers to continue to watering them so they may grow and my co-workers will come to forgiveness when they repent and turn from that lifestyle. No one is too far from becoming saved if they truly want it. Hannah do you think fornication and adultery are less severe sins? No they are not according to God’s law. Everyone who is having sex outside the boundry of marriage deserves to burn in hell as well as the homosexuals. There is no sin that is so severe that cannot be forgiven if the sinner wants to come to Chris’s love and his offer of forgiveness.This includes murderers, sex offenders, idolittry of any kind and even those who had previously been involved in the occult. The message of Christs love and offer of forgiveness is for everyone as John 3verses 16 and 17. State. please re- read these verses Hannah and reach out to the lost and unsaved people in the world. You are to approach people with love and compassion and forgiveness. You are not their judge, you are a sinner as well, and the only difference between a homosexual and you is Jesus’s blood covering your sins when you became saved. All sin according to God that are committed by thought, word or deed done or not done. God can read your mind and knows your heart. God is the final judge of all people. In Christ, Tracylee

  • I am a believer – a Christian – who is a sinner, and one sin is no different than another. I reasoned in my prayerful thoughts that The Lord would turn His back on me if I turned my back on my friends due to thinking their sin was worse than my own. It was not true – it is not true that their sin is worse than mine. I have friends since childhood (I am 62) who are gay. I love them, and I do not judge them. I do pray for them and for me to recognize our sins in time, and ask The Lord to forgive us – and then forgive ourselves. One of my childhood friends holds an uber-responsible and thankless job by way of protecting others. They have a selfless love for mankind that is truly amazing, even if a little jaded in what they think is funny these days – and the world could use more laughter instead of hate – so I laugh when they make jaded jokes about the world. We ALL fall short of perfection.

  • Ed

    Does God hate? God knows the heart!
    Malachi 1: VS 2&3

  • A God ordained marriage is between one woman and one man. A gay marriage will not be recognized as a marriage in his eyes. They are not justifiable before God. If anything it will convince them that the homosexual lifestyle is approved by God and will hinder their repentance and becoming saved by Jesus blood. They are to turn from that lifestyle- walk away and leave it behind them and not to commit that sexual act again. Sins of the flesh are very hard to resist. I need the Holy Spirit constantly to give me strength since I got divorced in 2002. I am currently celibate and using my free time to reach out to the lost and unsaved. God planned for me to do his work in his Great Commision. That is one of the works God planned for me to do. Do I have to do it to enter heaven or be saved? No I want to do it!! Why because I have a compassionate heart towards the unsaved. I want all to come to repentance and be saved just like Jesus. I love everyone! Not the devil and his demons but all peoples, tongue,tribe or nations.

  • Leviticus 20:13

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    Finally you show your true colors.

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  • Thank you for the delete. Can you possibly
    delete my name and email address also. ?
    God bless all.

  • Leviticus 20:13

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    I’m sure most people who read this have seen the movie, Titanic.

    There is a scene where the broken ship is momentarily bobbing in the water…
    before it quickly drops to the bottom of the sea.

    Right before it makes that fast descent into the dark abyss… the hero of the movie yells out…

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    ” THIS IS IT !! ”
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    This topic is it !

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  • eddie santana

    Now THAT’S a positive message. Well done! But I think we not only have to target homosexuals, but all lost people that think they’re eternally set just because they believe in God and live in America.

  • Wendy

    That’s a BIG-TIME AMEN there, Brother!!
    Time is short.
    We need to be about our Father’s Business~~

  • Bart

    You see we all sin in different ways. What makes homosexuals different is that they choose to “live” in sin. I don’t know about you, but I don’t choose to live in sin and repent for the sins that I do commit. Anyone who doesn’t repent for this sins or don’t feel remorse for committing them, will go to hell. You can try to help them, but it’s near impossible as of now. Our society is simply… well you know the word. Every time the world gets worse, I keep repeating myself to non-believers that I told them so. With the Catholic religion telling people that being gay is okay, good luck changing their ideology. They’ll just cling to Catholism and disprove your faith.

    And I don’t blame them. Times are getting bad. I was sitting outside on a bench and someone asked me if I knew God our mother. He repeated me me multiple times that God is a mother. This dude was sick and clueless, to classify god as a gender is limiting him. The bible calls him a father and a mother to make us understand something that’s impossible to understand unless you too were God. Such blasphemy…

    • alain humbert

      Brother Bart,

      The ha-satan spirit is well drenching the world,
      soaking the souls of men into their exuding blasphemy
      through every pore of their being.

      Remember how ha-satan addressed our LORD in the wilderness
      in Matthew iv : 9
      Never before had the devil gone so far in his blasphemy,
      and in full knowledge, and for the first time blatantly
      saying his until then most secret ambition, To GOD’S FACE :

      “I will be like the most High.”
      Isaiah xiv : 14

      For him there will never be any :

      “Father, Forgive them for they know not what they do.”
      Luke xxiii : 34

      But for our fellow human beings who don’t know what they
      do or say, our LORD Made Provisions As Recorded in :

      Matthew xii : 32 and Luke xii : 10

      In my heathen days, I mocked HIM grieviously too, in adding a bottle of whisky to the Vermeer painting of the Supper at Emmaus

      (Luke xxiv : 13-35)

      And yet HE Graciously Opened my eyes.

      If I tell you this story, it’s because there was a sequel to it,
      in which I was sharply rebuked by a schoolmate and friend, to whom
      I gloatingly shew my “addition”.
      And yet he was not even a Christian !

      So, brother Bart JESUS Would Have us to give It not just another try, however repeatedly frustrating it may appear.

      And how about praying for this particular character, author of
      the article “The Emmaus Encounter – A fiction inspired by faith”
      on his site “jesusneverexisted” ?
      By the way I also came across another site in 2004, named “evilchristianity” which disappeared a little time later.

      Well, the good old time-worn tactics of fronts initiated since

      Genesis iii : 1, 4

      GOD BLESS you, brother Bart.

    • Bart, that junk will NEVER stop. Moody and Spurgeon dealt with it 150 years ago! But we are called to be a LIGHT to an ever-darkening world. We are called to have COMPASSION on the lost, and present to them the gospel of Ephesians 2:8,9, and 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

  • Penny

    Thank you Geoffrey

    God has called you for such a time as this!

    Blessings

  • alain humbert

    Brother Jeffrey,

    to your article, just One LORD-Taught WORD : AMEN

    I confess that the time some days before, at the news of the Tel-Aviv perv-parade, was the only time I wanted on the city a rain of combined hamas-ezbolah rockets that didn’t miss.

    For me your article is A Reminder From GOD.

    GOD BLESS you brother.

    • Before you and I were saved, God looked down and saw us NO DIFFERENT from the lost homosexual. Not one bit. We were every bit as disgusting to Him as they are. But God had mercy on us and saved us any way. Why? Because of some kind of Christian witness which called you and drew you to Him. Now, God commands us who are saved to “go into the highways and hedges” and be that same witness to a lost and dying world, which included the “queers”, the “fags”, and everyone else.

  • Sueawatcher

    They can be saved. Anyone who willng repent and ask for forgivness from Christ can be saved. God loves everyone. The key is asking for forgivness and turning away from your sinful ways. God does not like all the things that we do hear on earth but you can changed that if you mearly ask for foegivness and be born again.

    • hannah

      Of course they can be saved anyone can be saved when you stop the sinning…

      • Do you know any sinless Christians? I sure don’t…salvation does not happen when you “stop sinning”, that’s works-based salvation. Salvation happens when you receive Jesus Christ by Grace through Faith.

        • hannah

          (1 John 1:9) (Psalm 51:12)

        • Sola Scriptura

          I agree but God takes willful sin…even by “believers”very seriously.
          2 Peter 2:
          20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
          21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
          22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

          Hebrews 3:
          12 Take heed, BRETHREN, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
          13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
          14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

          Hebrews 10
          26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
          27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
          28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
          29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
          30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
          31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

          I could drop another 50 scriptures which say the same thing….and ALL scripture is God breathed and is useful for training, teaching and rebuking, whether it is to jewish christians, the Galatians or to the Corinthians. Do not be deceived…God will not be mocked, no matter what prayer you have said. The Lord requires a change of heart, and true, deep brokenness after we sin, because we will always sin as long as we are in these bodies…but do not be deceived…willful, reckless sin is wickedness in God’s sight and those who practice it ain’t getting in. Their are no technical salvations with our Jesus Christ. We certainly can’t earn salvation, but as Paul said, he proved his salvation by his deeds.

          • Silvana Smith

            Sola Scriptura, if only you would live up to your name! Thanks for butchering all the above Scriptures to try to prove a born again believer can lose Salvation. Let me explain the verses you are TRYING to quote!

            ****2 Peter 2 is speaking about FALSE TEACHERS, people that were NEVER saved! So this chapter does not apply to any born again believer, rather it is one of the many warnings against false teachers/prophets.

            *****Hebrews 10, one the most famously butchered portion of Scripture to erroneously prove Salvation can be lost or to teach a works based Salvation. ONE: the writer to the Hebrews is conveying to them (The JEWS) that Jesus is now the ONLY way and they must let go of the Law throughout the Book of Hebrews! TWO: having received KNOWLEDGE of does not make them believers in the Gospel, therefore they are not saved by simply having head knowledge! In school I learned/received knowledge of evolution, but I do NOT believe it! So you cannot call me an evolutionist any more then I can call an atheist that has heard the Gospel a Christian! THREE: In Hebrews 3 he CLEARLY tells them about their evil hearts of UNBELIEF! You see that???

            If you still believe a born again believer can lose Salvation, I submit you have no clue what it means to be saved! Check yourself! Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV) 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

      • Silvana Smith

        hannah, this verse includes you! 1 John 1:8 (KJV) 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

        • Sola Scriptura

          I’ve got 75 verses that prove that salvation is a life not a prayer. America and the west markets salvation as a “prayer,” a “decision”…but it is far more. I never want anyone to have a false sense of security because of the lies they heard in Sunday school or at their mega church. 75 verses trump 2 or 3 every time.
          Try reading Luke 12 and see the warning Jesus gives Peter. Try John 14 where Jesus says if you truly love me you obey me. You think those who don’t love him are getting in? We aren’t perfect but having a heart desiring to obey him is a part of the definition of belief. James, the brother of Jesus says it best. You are trumping the actual words of Jesus, Peter, James and Paul with your self indulgent americanized understanding that tickles the itching ears of the foolish masses who simply want a free pass to heaven with no change in lifestyle.

          Does this mean anything? Colossians 1:

          21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
          22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
          23 ***IF*** ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

          How about this? Romans 11:
          21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
          22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, **IF** thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also SHALT BE CUT OFF.

          Or this from Paul himself about himself: 1 Corinthians 9

          25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
          26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
          27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I MYSELF SHOULD BE A CASTAWAY.

          I could do this all day but I get that your understanding trumps at least 75 clear scriptures and that ain’t gonna change.

  • Captain BobEdwards

    True God doesn’t hate anyone but if gays don’t repent and change their way, they will surely spend entity in hell.

  • Mike

    Wherfore , as by one man sin entered into the world and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. For All have sinned. As it is written, there is none righteous , no , not ONE. JESUS DIED FOR ALL OUR SIN AND THROUGH HIS SACRIFICE BECAME SIN FOR US THAT WE WHO DESERVE TO DIE COULD BE MADE THE RIGHTEOUSNES OF GOD IN HIM. Get saved, yield His purchased possesion to Him and let Him use you to love the lost to Him. Mike

  • Captain BobEdwards

    God is one, he is love. He loves people, but he is a righteous Holy God of perfection and hates the SIN. Being a lover of the pleasures of sin and chasing after strange flesh more than love for God is an abomination unto God that without repentance, they’re gonna BURN !

    As for the prodigals, they ARE beginning to hear his spiritual call to return. Revelation knowledge explains that the prodigal son IS, the ten lost tribes of Israel. How would I know ? Because I am one that has returned.

  • DM

    Amen — it is so nice to hear someone say this — keep it up. we WILL get the message out there !

  • cm

    Great Article Geoffrey:)

    I completely agree, we must reach out to the lost regardless of what their sin is. Christ died for all sinners, and we are to share the love of Yeshua (Jesus) and the good news of the gospel with all.

  • Sola Scriptura

    I agree entirely with the headline…but as Galatians 6 says clearly, do not be deceived. God will not be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. If we sow to please the sinful nature, we will, by that nature, reap destruction. We must turn from sin with our hearts, to Jesus Christ in order to be saved. Jesus came to cover our sin…but we must do our part and turn from it, and preach repentance.

    http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/09/18/confronting-sin/

    http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2015/04/29/sin-repentance-and-the-cross-of-christ/

    • Silvana Smith

      Good grief!!! So you are saying what Jesus did is not enough??? You need to add works to maintain your Salvation? BLASPHEMY!Let’s see what the Word of God has to say about that! We are born again when we believe the Gospel! Faith ALONE in Christ ALONE which means we are saved when we BELIEVE that Jesus Christ died for our sins, according to the Scriptures, was buried, and rose again on the third day, according to the Scriptures.(THE GOSPEL) 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 (KJV) 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
      Once born again, we cannot be unborn! Can you go back into your mother’s womb? No? Equally what the Holy Spirit has SEALED cannot be unsealed (unborn). We are all born spiritually dead, when we are born again, the Holy Spirit quickens our spirit unto life…….not unto temporary life, but ETERNAL LIFE!

      The Gospel NOT WORKS is the power of God unto Salvation. Romans 1:16 (KJV) 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
      ***Romans 10:9-10 (KJV) 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

      ***Romans 3:21 (KJV) 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

      ***Romans 3:28 (KJV) 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

      1 John 5:11 (KJV) 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

      ***John 6:37-39 (KJV) 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

      ***Ephesians 2:8-9King James Version (KJV) 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

      ***John 10:28-29King James Version (KJV) 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.

      ***Romans 4:5 (KJV) 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

      ***John 6:29 (KJV) 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

      • Sola Scriptura

        I’ve got 75 verses that prove that salvation is a life not a prayer. America and the west markets salvation as a “prayer,” a “decision”…but it is far more. I never want anyone to have a false sense of security because of the lies they heard in Sunday school or at their mega church. 75 verses trump 2 or 3 every time.
        Try reading Luke 12 and see the warning Jesus gives Peter. Try John 14 where Jesus says if you truly love me you obey me. You think those who don’t love him are getting in? We aren’t perfect but having a heart desiring to obey him is a part of the definition of belief. James, the brother of Jesus says it best. You are trumping the actual words of Jesus, Peter, James and Paul with your self indulgent americanized understanding that tickles the itching ears of the foolish masses who simply want a free pass to heaven with no change in lifestyle.

        Does this mean anything? Colossians 1:

        21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
        22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
        23 ***IF*** ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

        How about this? Romans 11:
        21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
        22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, **IF** thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also SHALT BE CUT OFF.

        Or this from Paul himself about himself: 1 Corinthians 9

        25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
        26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
        27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I MYSELF SHOULD BE A CASTAWAY.

        I could do this all day but I get that your understanding trumps at least 75 clear scriptures and that ain’t gonna change.

        And try this….Jesus in Revelation making it clear that you must overcome, or your name could be blotted out of the lamb’s book of life. These are not my word, they are the words of the one who bore my sin in his body on the tree. Why? So that we might die to sin and live for righteousness.

        Revelation 2:5
        5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

        • Silvana Smith

          Sola Scriptura (much as it pains me to type this name you have ERRONEOUSLY chosen for yourself) you are not only dead wrong, but unsaved to boot! If you add ANYTHING to the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross you are teaching and believing a FALSE gospel that does not save! As such, you cannot understand the very Scriptures you are misapplying! I have given you Scriptural proof and the Bible calls you a liar! Even satan quoted Scripture as you are today!

  • Char

    Thank you for your reply, Juanita, I agree wholeheartedly with you. What’s kinda sad is that many of them have children (or adopt children) to raise in this atmosphere. My sister has a son, who is grown now, but has a lot of anger inside, but that’s another story. It’s too bad they are allowed to adopt and raise children to think that this is a good environment for them to live in. My sister had several relationships and then stayed with one woman for many years, but it still wasn’t a stable environment, so God knows best and we know that it’s not the biblical way to live and raise children. She has said she should have been born a man, but like you say, her DNA (like Bruce Jenner’s and all other transgenders) is still the sex they were born with that God gave them. God Bless!

    • Yes, it is troublesome. I read a final study that took place over 20 years. The majority of children raised by 2 mommies or 2 daddies become gay. The majority of children raised by one mommy and one daddy are straight. That speaks volumes to me. I do not know any gay people who are raising children, so perhaps it was not on my mental screen. In light of this study, I think it is a huge disservice for 2 gay people to raise a child. I would want for any child to experience being married to the opposite sex and creating children together, to raise together. I would therefore wish for every child to be raised in a straight home. God bless you too.

  • eddie santana

    Yes, agreed it doesn’t matter, sin is all the same, as long as we’re not sticking up for, or trying to justify any particular sin.

    • Thats what I think too Eddie. The article is correct.

  • edwitness

    You know, there is a way to find out if God does consider one sin worse than another. And that is through looking at Israel. When Israel sinned, the sacrifices in the law purified their flesh of that sin. Heb.9:13.

    But, there was a certain sin that would always end up with them being taken captive by their enemies. Then in that captivity, they would cry out to God for deliverance, and God would hear their cries, raise up a judge, and deliver them. This was the job description of a judge in Israel. He was to deliver them out of the hands of those that spoiled them. Judges2:16. (Something to think about when we judge others and ourselves)

    That sin is idolatry. Judges2:17,18. Israel would begin to worship the god’s of the nations around them and the result was always the same. Idolatry is THE sin, and THE ONLY sin, that can separate us from God.
    When they would steal or bear false witness etc… they would do what the law provided for them and the sin was purified from their flesh. But not so with idolatry.

    This is why Jesus said that this sin was what the Holy Spirit would come to reprove the world of. John16:9.
    When we do not believe or trust in Jesus, we do believe or trust in something else. Here is a good definition of what can help us determine what god we serve; “the ultimate criteria one uses to make his or her choices”. Whatever that ultimate criteria is, if it is not Jesus, is our idol, because it is a false god. And our god determines the choices we make. Life and death choices. Not choices like whether we want chocolate or vanilla ice cream.

    And generally speaking, when someone is participating in gross sin they are in idolatry to it. Meaning, as in behavior like homosexuality, they are so completely consumed by it that they identify themselves by it. When it becomes so all consuming it takes over the person’s ability to make a different choice. Then only Jesus can deliver them from it.

    Like Char’s sister who believes she was made by God to be that way. It actually becomes who they believe themselves to be as a person.
    They worship the god of sex with such conviction that they become one with it, and make no distinction between it and the person they really are. Heterosexuals can be just as consumed with their sex god as well.

    This is the same reason we call ourselves Christians. Because our ultimate criteria for our choices is the true God. We identify ourselves with Him.

    And we also know that they are one choice away from beginning a relationship with the true God, Jesus. So as Geoffrey says, we encourage them to repent of their choices and follow the true God. I have done so with my mom’s brother, my uncle, without seeing anything come from it so far. But I remain hopeful.
    Again, idolatry, that is no faith in Jesus, is the ONLY sin that separates us from God.
    Great article Geoffrey. And great instruction.
    Blessings:-}

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  • eddie santana

    Thanks Amanda.

  • Kelly

    I hate to break it to you, but God does indeed hate fags. Or homos, or sodomites whatever you want to call them. He burned 2 whole cities to the ground just to prove how much He hates homos.

    You are wrong and attacking Christians who are trying to warn homos is evil.

  • As I am smiling from ear to ear – I am thinking that we are created by God, and maybe Darwin and friends are descendants of apes? Tongue in cheek folks – don’t get mad because I have a sense of humor. To which poses the question – if you Darwinists do not believe in Creation by God, why would my joke offend you??? Been wondering that one for a long time.

    It is becoming rarer by the year that I actually get to correspond with a true Believer. I love intelligent Christians. GOD BLESS YOU ALAIN.

    • alain humbert

      Sister Juanita,

      Is this post of yours the reply to my post of June 22nd 02:00 ?
      ——————————————————————-
      About papa Darwin operating his ADN-cutter aka “Evolution” to allow passing-for-human apes getting through the barrier, I think that at
      least one of them made it into our world : Piltdown Man.

      Concerning the 3,500,000-year old “Lucy” whose skeleton was
      discovered in Ethiopia during the late 70s, it’s just another whatever of the Piltdown ilk.

      But I was furious that I had come upon the article the 1st time in the Reader’s Digest, which should have known better than to publish
      such satanic trash.

      The Scriptures at :

      Hebrews i : 3
      Colossians i : 17
      Romans xi : 36

      for me are Absolute, Indispensable Confirmations
      to Those About Creation, beginning With

      Genesis i : 1

      Because GOD Didn’t Only Create,
      But By The Power Of HIS WORD
      HE Sustains,
      Maintains And
      Holds Together
      HIS Creation,

      Keeping It from falling apart as an entropy-hit sand castle.

      Which goes for ha-satan’s kingdom too, If GOD Just Stops
      To Create for less than one “Planck Time” unit which is
      one second to the minus forty-three power.

      That doesn’t prevent however Pr. Stephen Hawkinge to pontificate
      that there is no need Of GOD As Explanation For The Creation
      of the Universe since gravity is “force” enough.

      Well, Pr. Planck would beg to differ, since the force of gravity appeared (was created) only at 00h.00m.01s X 10power-43 am.
      After the Creation of the Universe at Moment Absolute-Zero.

      Apparently good Professor Hawkinge had never made up his mind
      about which was 1st, the chicken or the egg.

      I will enjoy keeping correspondence with you on this our brother Geoffrey’s site.

      I am preparing a comment on the article about the Khomeinist
      Persian Parliament choir.
      See you there.
      —————————————————————-
      GOD BLESS you sister Juanita and brother John.

  • CrissCross

    Environmental Armageddon: A Definitive Photo-Documentary Tells The Real Story!!! 😮
    http://themillenniumreport.com/2015/06/environmental-armageddon-a-definitive-photo-documentary-tells-the-real-story/

  • Klaus, Yes and No.

    The greatest generation are almost all passed on, and we boomers are not that far behind. Our Gen Xers are in their 40’s!!!!!!!!

    I do not recommend “milk Christians” go around judging others with some kind of self-righteous demeanor – they are likely to be shot down in an argument they are not prepared for, then they flounder, and we lose them to the enemy – Satan. According to many different polls taken in the last ten years, most Christians have not studied their Bibles (90%). They do not have all their armor on – hardly any at all.

    When I was a girl, almost all the adults I knew did know their Bibles. When someone did something bad – any number of people rebuked them – gently as a brother would who loves you – but, absolutely would not stand with you when you are willfully sinning. Why, every adult I knew felt they had the right to correct me in my teen years when I was allowed to venture to school dances, football games, etc. I remember my best friend’s momma picked me up by the shoulders, shook me for all I was worth, and told me if I didn’t stop being so darn gullible, I would be dead by 21. Not only was she right, but she absolutely had the right, me being in her charge at the time for the weekend, to discipline me. Every teacher, adults where I had a teen job, every friend of my parents, and every adult relative had the right to discipline me. Ninety-nine percent of them were Bible bred Christians who knew how to properly shame me – and by doing so, made me think about whatever I had done that was sinful, and I began self-correcting myself at a young age. Sadly we don’t live in the 50’s and 60’s any more. America has become a place that glorifies sin – and people think part of their civil rights is to sin as much as they want to – no matter what it does to their own children.

    So, let us take those gay folks I know. I do not often hang out with them, (we mostly hang out with family anyway), but I do not turn my back on them either. I pray to the Lord daily to help me to be the kind of Christian that can make a difference in bringing the sheep back to the fold. It is like my blog – I have some subscribers. I used to put commentary out at webcommentary.com, but one day I got brave and made myself a blog. Sometimes I get private messages from confused folks who are looking for real help in understanding Christianity and the scriptures. But, mostly, I don’t think I have a lot of readers. With my disabilities and meds it is hard to finish things I start – like a commentary. But, the Lord tells me to do it – and trust me on this, the Lord literally sets me on fire when He wants me to write – the other stuff I start winds up in the garbage – anyway, He tells me to let Him worry about who reads it. He is using me – and maybe my whole reason for being here is to give the Lord’s message to one human who will do great things on their own once they let me help them figure out their direction in life. The glory is all God’s, so it matters not that only a few people read, and I will never know why the Lord tells me to do it.

    I raised teenagers, and that makes me hugely qualified to understand that we must pick our battles, and not make every day a battle, or we lose the war.
    Most non-believing folks are willfully ignorant, some are belligerent, and some are evil. There is a difference! God protects me from the evil one. God sets me on fire to be an example to the belligerent, and willfully ignorant. If I am screaming at them every single day how bad they are in this day and time – just how many am I going to win for the Lord? Not many, if any.

    The Lord gave each of us different talents. Maybe yours is to point to people and tell them they are going to hell if they don’t do it your way – and it actually works for you. Maybe my gift is writing stuff people can think about and make a decision to read their Bibles and become Christians, or for Christians to open theirs and start studying it (getting past that “milk Christian” stage :)!!)

    Think on this – the law condemns the guilty – and they are likely lost completely. Gentle rebuking of friends and loved ones without pointing my finger directly at them makes them think about their lives, and hopefully decide to follow a pair of examples who are TRULY JOYFUL. (That is my John and I – joyful – even having to medically retire after 45 years working – and we loved working – with my 4 degenerative diseases, and his stage 4 cancer.) In corporations who hired us to “fix” their problems, we thrived in doing what we were talented to do – develop strategies, operating procedures, accounting streamlining and daily, weekly, monthly information to build a business that makes a lot of money and hires a lot of people. It is who we are. Obviously our talents are different from the policeman who must use some scary, in your face tactics when working the 4th ward in any city.

    Well, God’s different neighborhoods are no different. So, there must be a place for you in the big scheme of things – where you are the sin militia; and a place for me who builds trust by a ton of prayer, example, and in writing to everyone in general – and no one in particular (so they actually read what I write instead of feeling like I am pointing my finger at them). I know for a fact that I could sit here all day tomorrow and find scripture to encourage you in your way; and as much scripture to encourage me in my way.

    OH, I used to comment on blogs and articles all over the political and Christian. I stopped due to juggling too many balls at the same time. I gave up Farmville (which I enjoyed for some strange reason), so I could engage in this here activity again. See you around the funny papers.

    God bless.

    • and Klaus, if you run across anyone who needs to read what someone like me writes – that would be at texasladyjuanita.com Thanks in advance. 🙂 I don’t write every day – only when the Lord sets that fire under me – usually while studying scripture.

  • Angel

    Wonderful message Geoffrey. We often forget that as Christians we should love the sinner and hate the sin. Love does not equate to enabling sin or supporting sin. True love means that you show the person the right path of righteousness and the love of Jesus Christ. True love means warning others that sin leads to separation from God and hell.

    Although it is true that Christians can judge, I find it not necessary. God had been leading me to pray instead of condemning. After all, it is God’s role to be the judge of all.

  • Beaumont

    Spreading Disease on Purpose (Probably, just the flu.)
    http://newsmilitary.com/pages/3937527-vicious-homosexual-dan-savage-licked-doorknobs-infect-gary

    The Homosexual Manifesto:
    http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/archives.php?id=6866798

    Young boy twerks at pride march.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8YR9IV9Alc
    (Why do I need to verify my age?)

    Graphic, Ugandan church warning becomes ‘Eat da poo poo’ meme:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8YR9IV9Alc

    Is noone doing this in bad faith?

    All of the “scene oriented” people are perfectly sane and redeemable?

    Without exception?

    • If the questions is, can all BE redeemed if they so choose to be? Absolutely, yes. 100%. Obviously, there are those who will never get saved. I have 3 brothers, none of whom are homosexual, and they have heard me witness the gospel to them since 1990. They remain unsaved to this day. Salvation is a free gift, freely offered to all who will take it, and it must be FREELY received. I know lots and lots of hetrosexual sinners who HATE the gospel, are they worse than homosexuals? Nope, not at all. It’s just easy to hate the “homo” because they are easy targets. But the Christian thing to do is to love them anyway, the same way the Lord loved YOU before you got saved, and give them the gospel. Will you do that?

      • Beaumont

        Mr. Grider,

        I believe that God chooses us, as by predestination.

        In Romans 1, I see a slippery slope into depravity.

        While we do not believe in salvation by works, nor that any man is perfect, at what stage has someone become warped beyond the possibility of conscious contrition.

        John 3:18 says that someone who refuses the Gospel has been condemned, already.

        What if he refuses teachings on, say, the 10 Commandments. I have seen the Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort skit, where they ask people whether they have broken any of the 10 Commandments. What if they militantly defend their sin.

        For instance, (from Isa 3) “The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not.”

        I am *not talking about people with unwanted attractions or who feel conflicted or regretful.

        Could a callous, unrepentant person ever have accepted Christ, or does he ever truly repent, once he has sinned confidently.

        I am not just talking about any one particular sin. I am talking about the bravery in committing it — even it is something small.

        • I am positive that I was aware of The Holy Spirit before I truly understood. So I think to myself, did The Lord see the choices I would make of my free will, and the traumas I would experience as a child, and a “milk” Christian , and decide to give me special spiritual comfort on that rocky road? I say yes. He also gave me the two supernatural revelation. But that is how Gods plan for each of us goes. Complicated for us , but not for God. People limit Gods possibilities with our limited capacities as compared to Gods capacities.

      • 1 John 4:1

        About your brothers, is it possible they may listen to Stephen Armstrong’s podcast the Book of Isaiah? (Verse by verse ministry org)

        When I rode my bike to work, I listened to his podcasts and some of yours. Armstrong’s teaching on Isaiah taught me about the Lord of Our Righteous and made me want to know more.

  • Bill L.

    I continue to find it astonishing the willingly ignorant (or as I like to say “stupid on purpose “) posts of those who proclaim faith on a matter this elementary.
    If Adolf Hitler had repented and believed on CHRIST, he would have been saved. If you steal gum or candy and you repent and believe on JESUS, you will be saved. If you hold bitterness and unforgiveness and don’t repent, you spit on the cross and the blood and walk past JESUS and have eternity in the lake of fire. GOD forgives all sin except not believing HIM.
    Your fellow warrior IN CHRIST.
    And yes, sodomites will be saved if they repent and believe JESUS.

  • Wendy

    To Bill and Geoff:
    Yes yes yes!
    That’s right!
    Amen…….
    And Preach It!!!

    That’s the Truth as I know it~~~

  • David

    Amen brother, God is greatly grieved by the many who will not draw near to his love and all he has for them. The greatest leader is the greatest servant. The spark that brightens up the room that sets the world on fire for the love of God. Be that, and those who see God in you will be drawn to him.

  • eddie santana

    Nice. I agree our job is to plant the seed, but the difficulty in witnessing to homosexuals is that they feel that “they can’t help it” or “were made that way.” Society abets that aberrant thinking so the sinner thinks to themselves, “well why would God condemn me while making me this way.” Well of course, they have a hard time with the concept of homosexuality being faulty thinking. Nevermind that lifestyle of homosexuality dooms the race to extinction because homosexuals can’t reproduce. (There are three arguments to this: 1. we no have technology that can produce kids for infertile couples. True, but it is to “help” infertile couples, not to replace the natural reproductive process. 2. There are plenty of kids to adopt. True. But after all those kids are adopted the human race is finished. 3. Old people can’t reproduce. True. But at one time they could. Homos could at no time ever reproduce.) There are no taboos in society anymore. We live in a “do what you want, as long as you don’t physically hurt anyone” society/mentality. Even so, then why can’t walk around naked? It just doesn’t make sense. They pick and choose their morality.

  • Captain Bob Edwards

    AMEN! As a new Christian with strong conviction to witness to others and help guide each lost soul to Jesus I find those who are lost don’t seem to care ad long as they are having fun in life. Pray for all that are lost.

  • edwitness

    David,
    Just one thing about your comment. When you say the Sabbath is Saturday, you misunderstand the true purpose for Sabbath which is fulfilled in the New Covenant. Since Jesus has come He is now our Sabbath. Jesus is the rest(Sabbath) for those who have trusted in Him. Heb.4:10.
    The Sabbath was made FOR man and not man for the Sabbath. This means the rest is to serve us and not the other way around. Mark2:23-28.
    Jesus said “Come unto me all who are heavy laden and I will give you rest(Sabbath)”. Mt.11:28-30. This is the rest(Sabbath) for us, that in Israel was represented by Saturday. A time that has come because of Jesus, where we cease from our own labors, and join with Jesus by taking His yoke upon us. Which is His rest(Sabbath).
    Blessings:-}

    • Amen, Christians don’t have a sabbath “day”, we have the Lord of the Sabbath Himself to give us rest!. Sunday is the day that the apostles met to worship on, but any day will do just as well. We use that day because they used thatr day. “And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.” Acts 20:7 (KJV)

      • David

        Sorry Geoffrey, God never changed the Sabbath, Constantine did, and Jesus did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfil it. The Sabbath is for eternity as a sign between him and those who belong to him. That day is as holy as the throne…same holy. All the apostles kept the Sabbath. Paul, who said ” I sin daily “, … kept the Sabbath. Peter was given to be head of the church. The church places Paul above him, but there is no one here including me, smarter than Paul. Christians were blinded from the law and is a strange thing to them, as it was to me. Just as the Jew was blinded to Jesus. Thus, both northern and southern kingdoms of Israel stumbled.

    • David

      All you say here is true…I don’t misunderstand this. The Sabbath however has never been for Sunday. It has always been and always will be, on Friday night at sundown till Saturday night at sundown, just as any student of Torah knows, and the Christian does not. The problem, is that the Jew did not have Jesus to save them. Those who are the repaire of the breach, will lead them to jealousy, that we keep the law, AND have the testimony of Yeshua, to walk up God’s holy mountain without idols, the one new man.

  • Captain Bob Edwards

    seriously how does the Sabbath have anything to do with gays and their actions? God loves all people but he says go forth and sin no more.

  • kathleen Arsenault

    Uh…No one ever said God hates LGBT. Certainly I NEVER did. And showing them the Gospel and teaching them about Jesus will NOT help. They DON’T think they’re doing anything wrong. My attitude is: to each ‘his own. THEY don’t care so….why on Gods green earth are you giving US a hard time?? They think “all love is good love” and who am I too say that it is not? My only concern is: the general populations’ willingness to embrace peeps like Caitlyn Jenner. That person needs mental help.

    • Silvana Smith

      So you do not witness to a homosexual because you have got your mind made up? Is that according to the Word? Because I would love for you to share some Scriptural support on this! NOBODY needs mental help, they all need Jesus! HELLO!!! what Bible are you reading??

  • Jim

    If God doesn’t hate fags then why does he put them into a burning fire forever and forever? Is that how you treat people you love? Funny how God – some would have us believe – is this big marshmallow love-machine that loves loves loves loves and never hates anything. This God – some would have us believe – is a a love pervert who can’t help but love everybody no matter what. Except this God – some would have us believe – is so inept and bumbling he accidentally throws all those people he ‘loves’ into the fires of hell – but with sadness and regret and despair, weeping over all the people he is burning up forever like the Walrus crying while he eats the clams.

    • Ummmm, no. God does not “put fags in Hell”, God puts sinners with no Saviour in Hell. God does hate sin, but He went to the cross for the SINNER. So instead of spewing hate towards someone who sins different than you do, why don’t you go out and try to win the lost homosexual to the Lord? That’s what you are COMMANDED to do, just in case you didn’t know.

      • Jim

        Ummm … U-R dodging the issue.

        Would you permanently lock anybody you love inside a burning barbeque?

        You’ve got to come to terms with the fact that God is HOLY and hates sinners – including especially faggots who were called exceedingly sinful (Genesis 13:13).

        Deal with it.

  • eddie santana

    Its desirous to say someone was born a certain way because that removes all element of accountability for one’s actions.

  • edwiness

    David, Did you not look at the Bible references Geoffrey and I gave for the Sabbath fulfillment? Jesus is the Sabbath. He is our rest. “Come unto me all who are heavy laden and I will give you rest”(Sabbath).
    Sabbath means rest. It does not mean Saturday. Saturday was representative of the rest God was to provide through the sacrifice of His Son. As children of God we have by faith entered into His rest(Sabbath). Heb.3 & 4. Especially 4:8.
    Col.2:16 addresses the Sabbath directly. And says it is the shadow. Jesus is the substance. Why would you worship the shadow(the law) when Jesus(the person) is standing right there? Rom.7:1-4 tells us that if we are married to the law and Jesus we are adulterers. In vs.6 Paul even says we are saved, delivered from the law.
    Anyone who can not see this is doing so on purpose, and is as stubborn as those who could not enter in, because the word preached to them was not mixed with faith. The scripture tells us that person is the weaker brother. But a brother none the less.

    Blessings:-}

  • edwiness

    David,
    Unless I misunderstood your comment, you do not agree with what I wrote. The Sabbath is not from sundown Fri. to sundown Sat. That was for Israel under the law of Moses. Israel has been delivered from the Law.Rom.7:6. They must be dead to the law.
    It is Christ Himself that is our rest. He is our “Sabbath”. The law of Moses does not have application for anyone today. When you think in terms of obeying the law of Moses and worshipping Jesus, you are in adultery.Rom.7:1-6.

    And any Israelite who does not trust in Jesus is going to Hell as much as any other unbeliever.1st John5:12. People go to Hell because they reject Jesus and for no other reason.

    When He said that He did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it, Mt.5:17, that gives us the context for the next verse, where He says that the law shall not pass away UNTIL all (of the law) was fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled ALL of the law, and the prophets for that matter. That is why it is done away with in Christ. Not one part of the law any longer applies to Israel. And it never applied to Gentiles.
    Faith in Jesus alone is the only way of salvation and Christian living.
    Saturday nor any other DAY is the Sabbath since Jesus came. Jesus Himself is the Sabbath. No matter what Jews or some pope says.
    Blessings:-}

  • David

    You have one part correct. ONLY Yeshua saves. There is NO other name by which a soul may be saved. The gentiles have within them, the ranks of the ten lost tribes of Israel. They lost the keeping of the law, as you have. It is a strange thing to you. They are all over the world. Just as the tribes of Judah & the little half tribe of the Benjamin were blinded by God to see that Yeshua is the Messiah. Thus, BOTH the northern and southern tribes of Israel have stumbled from seeing the truth. And so it has been for nearly 2,000 years until these last days.

    The pope is a great liar, and the deception is upon Babylon, flooded with idols of false doctrine. We are to come out of Babylon, or perhaps you have not been told this or heard it spiritually by fasting and prayer which increases the strength of hearing what the spirit says. I may be wrong here, but I would guess, you have not made fasting and praying in tongues a part of your day to day life. It is certain you do not study under the teachings of a proven seasoned prophet of God.

    I do not believe what you believe. I believe the Sabbath as stated is to be kept forever. You are not familiar with the hidden language of Freemasonry, nor the fact that the Jesuits control the world under the adversary. That just as Paul was sent to Ceasar, he put to bed the argument you have been taught. That the churches teach. PAUL KEPT THE LAW…PERIOD ! The one new man will have no idols by false doctrine. You have been taught false doctrine.

    The church, and those who believe it’s doctrines, does not have revelation knowledge and your context is not correct. It’s transitions in history has failed to continue to remain following the holy spirit. As a result, the landscape is strewn with 4,000 religions with only a part of the truth. Some, are so far removed from the truth it’s flat stupid !
    The churches, the denominations, do not have revelation knowledge which can ONLY come from the prophets, which the church has never let in. Even today, people do not believe in the gift of tongues. We are to bear fruits. Salvation is free, but the rest must be learned.

    Any scripture can be twisted to serve those who withold the whole truth as the pope does, for he worships Satan. However, those that hear what the spirit is saying, will follow him and leave their own opinions behind.

    As for blessings, these come to those who are sanctified by keeping the commandments. Not just the tithe either. This, will become increasingly obvious, as disasters come increasingly and those without the protection of the blessings, will live under the curses.

    Beware lest you bow down to alien Gods and serve them. For God will be angry with you. There is more to this, but you do not studied the Torah either. Pastors are great, but they do not have the anointing in their lives that a prophet has.

  • eddie santana

    Bill L is correct. There is no one outside of the reach of the Holy Spirit except those vessels of destruction God talked about in Romans. (And no, you can’t say that all homos are outside of God’s grace.)

    : )

  • David

    We all know God hates all sin. There is no flaw in him. He is all perfection and the light of life, as he continually renews all realms of existence from beneath his throne.
    As we are in the flesh, and even Paul who always kept the covenant law as a Jew AND had the testimony of Jesus after the road to Damascus visitation said, ” I sin daily”. We know there is no good in the flesh, and we are as filthy rags. However, with sin removed, and being saved, our spiritman is worthy. We then, are to repent daily before we pray in the morning and in the evening, within the will of the spirit, that we may be heard. By reading the daily prayers and praying in tongues.

    That’s the first thing that comes to our speech as we get out of bed, to say I repent and ask for your forgiveness for those sins known and unknown. How much trouble can you get into while sleeping ? ( The mind can have sin in our sleep ), in the name of Jesus. This is to ensure no sin comes between us and God.

    Discern this as true if you are able. Such is the judgement of God. I tell you this IS TRUE ! As for those who go after strange flesh, these have been seen in the spirit by Mary K Baxter in hell with Jesus. They are chained together in flowing lava that moves at 70 to 80 MPH. Hell is in the shape of a body, laying on it’s back. There are rivers of lava, just as there are arteries of the body.

    Just as the body in the five dimensions of the physical / energetic have the five senses, these are very limited, just as our eyes are very limited to observe the full spectrum of light frequencies.
    In the seven dimensions of the spiritual, Hell is the exact opposite of all that God is, and has in heaven. Hell is removed of all attributes of God. Not even the cry’s or prayers of the eternally dammed can escape hell.
    The extreme effects of the senses in hell, are just as extreme as they are in heaven. EYE HAS NOT SEEN, NOR EAR HAS HEARD. Although extremely rare, there are persons with what is called synesthesia. This is the ability to combine the five senses. These however, are just as limited in the degree of depth for the person to experience.

    Readers may also be surprised to learn, that the body is constructed after a fashion of those things in heaven, before the very throne of God. Consider the body, as designed to hold the eternal soul, and is the TEMPLE. Now consider those things as described as being around the throne of God. Eg: 24 elders around the throne of God, and 24 rib bones around our temple of God within us.

    Sexual sin is sin just as any other. Oh I was born that way. This is of course a lie of deception and the person is deceived. Just like those who think they can reap the benefits of this world, without keeping the covenant. Oh, I don’t need to go to church on Saturday, I go on Sunday. Well, then you are deceived.

    Many will be given over to lies if they do not come out of Babylon. We are not to defile the temple. God would not want us to even have any tattoos. Even with ten years in the military I managed to avoided that one. I didn’t want to live with the idea that there was something in my life to which I belonged even by my personal oath to serve my country and risk my life for the service of others, that was worthy of a permanent indication on my body.

    Our body does not belong to us. It is on loan by God, to dwell in until we return to that spiritual realm from which we came, from our angelic family, never knowing if we would ever see each other again. To come here, removed from our remembrance, and to find our destiny by our own free will and choice.

    If we destroy ourselves, as in suicide for example, there can be no forgiveness. The same judgement is upon those who blaspheme the holy spirit by walking away from him and the truth he reveals to you, that he leaves you because you grieve him. The same is said of those who take the mark of the beast, because this alters your DNA with no way to return to the natural.

    You cannot serve God if you are a homosexual. I don’t care how many pastors are gay. IT’S A LIE !

    • David, please provide the specific Bible scriptures that explain what you say about suicide in detail. Thank you, Juanita

    • David, what you said: “The same is said of those who take the mark of the beast, because this alters your DNA with no way to return to the natural.”
      I cannot find in scripture where it says the mark changes one’s DNA. Could you please share that with us? What about the saved person, child, woman, man who is taken prisoner, and forcefully receives the mark?

      • Char

        Juanita, I don’t believe that anyone that professes their faith in the Lord will be forced to take the Mark of the Beast. They will either be beheaded or they will be starved to death for their beliefs during the Tribulation.

      • David

        My heart has learned much faster than my knowledge of the scriptures to reprove what has been given for me to know. While it’s more important that this be the case, it does not bode well when you need to use scripture to reprove the knowledge, that others may come to the truth also. You cannot take the word of a person. That just makes sense.

        A tremendous issue today however, is the false teaching and false believing in understanding the true meaning of scripture, for there is far greater depth to scripture than is known, by those who do not have the leading of the holy spirit, nor access to revelation knowledge.
        It is for these reasons that it is the most read yet least understood. It’s all about repentance into relationship, and moving ever deeper into the things of God to fellowship. He can only move at the speed and depth we permit. We.. are the big if.

        Here is an example. The symbol for God in the original pictorial Hebrew language, is the same scientific symbol for that of DNA. I have yet however, to find the specific scripture on it.

        One I recall is that a man eat the scroll and it tasted sweet, because DNA is essentially of sugars. When it is time for the wrath of God, and his are joined with Jesus, those who have the mark will bend over in pain, and will wish that they could die, yet will not be able to, as death will flee from them.

        All I can say is that for some, it is given to know what others do not. There are some things imparted to me, that I would never say to others, because they simply are not prepared to hear it. Also because it is simply not my place to disclose it.

        It is the corruption of the DNA, which was the reason for the flood of Noah. “He was perfect in his generations. ” Today, even the medical profession has the symbol of the third stran of DNA by the serpent. How sick is that ! The medical profession is even more corrupted than the political arena. That’s saying a lot !

        Perhaps you are aware of global geoenginering ? This is pandora’s box. One result however, is the altering of DNA over the masses. The destruction of all feeder root systems is seen among some 23 identified negative feedback loops that corrupts the environment. The crops that do well however, are all GMO and have no seeds, so you are dependent on these corrupted seeds to grow food.

        The adjuvants in vaccines can also add to this destruction of DNA. Perhaps you are aware of the frequency war in the environment ? Inhabitants in cities being exposd to 100,000 times the level of frequency pollution to that of our garandparents…heck, to even ourselves as children. Today, Google has sattlites in orbit to bath the planet in wifi. All of these things destroy the health and damage genes and DNA.

        For those who refuse the mark, they will be tortured and their heads will be taken. At first this will be voluntary.

        • Dear David, Our God is far greater than any scientist’s experiment or deceptions. It is under control by God’s perfect and divine plan. I walk by faith and not by sight with Jesus Dailey. I appreciate your information but I have far greater confidence in revelation knowledge I have received by reading and studying God’s Holy Word found in the Christian Bible. Our job is to witness, not to worry. If I was approached today and told I have to receive the Mark of the Beast, and renounce my relationship and faith in Jesus, or die- with sincere confidence I would die. Sincerely with grace, love, and hope, Tracylee

  • edwitness

    David,
    Your assessment of man’s predicament is what leads to a legalistic understanding of salvatin. It leads to the problem Paul addresses in Rom.7. And Paul did not say he sinned daily. He said that he died daily. Which means he considered his body dead so he could live after the spirit. He used the word morify. To bring to a standstill. Rom.8:13 & Col.3:5. This point is also made in Rom.12:1,2.
    And WE are not filthy rags. Our attempts to attain spiritual life (God’s righteousness) through works is.
    The flesh does what comes naturally to it. It has 5 senses to perceive the world around it with. These determine our choices for us until we trust in Jesus. Then we renew our minds to conform with God’s ways.
    Righteousness is defined by Paul as relationship. The lack of which is to say no relationship. And being righteous is to be in relationship with Jesus. Gal.3:21.
    Blessings:-}

  • Dear David are you a practicing Morman? Just curious from your statement that we came from an angelic family to which we have no remembrance of. I also do not agree that suicide is an unforgivable sin. every person I have known who took their own life, struggled with severe mental illness. I believe God knows they are mentally ill and it was an act of desperation for they saw no other solution for themselves and wanted to go home to be with the Lord Jesus. They are in so much mental and emotional anguish from life period. Society does not fully understand or really support with sufficient resources for those members of society who are severely mentally ill. PTSD is a disabling diagnosis and a lot of vets struggle with it when they return from their horrors of war and end up taking their own lives out of guilt and remorse. The only unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. No other sin is beyond Jesus Christ’s offer of forgiveness and salvation for God knows the repentant heart, soul and mind of every believer.. I know because I suffered a nervous breakdown and tried taking my own life over 12 years ago when I was going thru a very painful 2 1/2 yr divorce and the only thing in my mind when I was swallowing the pills was I wanted to go home to be with Jesus because my life had become to unbearable for me to endure. Jesus sent my 9 yr old son to find me and to call 911. When I became conscious I was disappointed I had not made it to heaven to be with my savior. I struggled for many months with professional help and realized that Jesus was not finished with me and my life. He had more plans and purpose for my life. I still struggle with clinical depression and take medication Dailey. But I have joy and thankfulness in my life again because I was able to forgive my ex- husband and Christ has never abandoned me or given up on me because he is the love of my life Dailey.

  • David

    I am no Morman. There are 4,000 forms of religion and all come short by having only a small part of truth, while some are absolutely foolishness. We were created by God before the foundations of the world. Legalistic understanding has corrupted the word. Let all be scriptural or let it be a lie. EG: There are great Rabbi’s, but they do not use the thread of blue in the prayer shawl… Why ? Because they say the snail that provided this original colour is no longer found. THAT…is being legalistic, yet is NOT scriptural. The greatest day of our works, are as filthy rags in that we all come short, and nothing of the flesh is worthy.
    The intent of Paul’s comment is the same. I sin daily, is to say if there is sin there is death. Repentance is needed upon waking to keep us from interference in the spiritual and maintain our standing.
    Yes there are the five senses for interaction in the flesh, but the only thing of worthiness in us, is not our flesh. Our growth in overcoming by temptation, is there that we may attain beyond relationship to reach fellowship, by keeping his original covenant which has been lost to the church in wrong teaching wrong believing. The pope today claims the Catholic church is the mother of all religions. Petrus Romanus is a great liar.

    Just as Judah failed to see that Yeshua was the Messiah because God blinded their eyes,the lost sheep of the ten tribes, though drawn to him, counted the original ETERNAL covenant as a strange thing. They drew further and further away from their IDENTITY. In these last days the lost sheep cannot be identified by language or skin colour. But, a remnant do hear his voice to gather. Thus, both the northern and southern nations of his children stumbled. In fasting and in temptation, we cannot allow the flesh to beat us. We are to overcome. Nothing…is impossible to God. He is beyond creation he robes himself with, in ever continuous renewal of perfection, in all realms of existence. The physical energetic consists of five dimensions we perceive as frequency, and seven dimensions of the spiritual.

    As to suicide, I understand this. War is used to serve evil in the world. Those responsible who do not repent will pay the ultimate price. Evil will bring it’s own end, and mine is to forgive that I may be forgiven. I know how far removed the mind can be taken, and as no PhD goes much beyond 4% of the total knowledge available in any given profession, the one suffering moves beyond the reach of help in this profession.

    How would I know this ? I AM a veteran. I served my country for ten years. I have seen what war can do. I know about the terror in the night. You preach to the choir. Yet have I come through more than this.

    At birth was I also attacked. Due to a medical condition I was isolated at birth during the critical hours for establishing the bonding. It very nearly destroyed my life on several fronts. My parents were unable to hold me as a newborn must be, to bring the heart into electrical resonance. This is done bringing the infant to the heart and held there.

    This is necessary to create the heart bonding required to establish fullness of personality, IQ, and emotional wellness, in order to function as a productive member of society. Both parents must bond with the infant. Otherwise the person will have many many issues to deal with. This, is a fraction of what will be caused, by having gay couples raise children. They will miss one influence or the other, by lack of the necessary balance. Placing the very young into daycare or pre-kindergarden, the state becomes their greatest influence.

    The holy spirit is more sensitive than most people will ever know, because though many are called, few are chosen and will never come into the fullness of all that God has for us. The change, must be from the heart without reservation. The spirit’s beauty and perfection is beyond peace. God does not allow us to be tempted beyond a way of escape. He allows evil within boundaries, that in overcoming, we are then able to move to the next step of overcoming in our walk.

    Blasphemy of the holy spirit is to walk away with hardened heart from him and refuse him and the truth he brings. God has feelings and can be hurt. One NEVER wants to bring grief to him. This can not be forgiven.

    As for suicide as a way of escape, this is error. We are to strive to keep ourselves healthy and care for the body. All things on earth are of a type or kind in heaven, though not in the same category of beauty as there is corruption and death in the world. The body, IS the temple of God. His spirit dwells in the throne of God, and on earth. Within each of us once e are saved, but it is not once saved, always saved.
    EG: his throne in heaven is surrounded by the 24, and in the body, by 24 bones.
    To destroy the temple either by suicide, OR, by taking the mark of the beast which in doing so will irreversibly change the DNA and destroy the temple of God, has no remedy. These three ways of departing from God has no remedy. He knows all as he created all. There is not a thought we ever had that he does not know. Yet, once we are forgiven, these things of our former lives have pased away and no longer come into remembrance for God. We are to forgive…but we are also as God does, to forget as we are given the mind of Christ. Renewed each day by the word.

  • eddie santana

    Re: Suicide not being forgivable, I don’t know, it’s up to God, but I have to wonder people being so mentally ill they take their own lives, yet rational enough to understand their relationship with God. Bear in mind, two things: one, you can’t ask for forgiveness after the fact (of suicide), and if you ask for forgiveness beforehand, I don’t know if asking for permission to sin would be to readily embraced by the Lord, mental illness or not. (Not to mention the fact that taking a life is serious business, even our own. Our lives are not our own to take. I’m not downing the people, I’m just saying there’s consequences to our actions/sins.

  • Dear David thank you for your response. However I still disagree with you about mental illness and suicide.2 1/2 yrs of torture and financial ruin and watching my children suffer was more than I could bare. I was down to114lbs and could barely eat,sleep or manage to keep things together. I was praying hourly and going to a divorce support group at church. It still was not enough for me to continue to want to live. I had reached my breaking point and everyone has one. My attempt to take my life was not planned in advance or premeditated. It was just what I did at that moment. Call me weak or influenced by the devil, but I know Jesus heard my cry for help in the actions I took upon myself or I would not be here to talk about it. I still believe that if Jesus wanted my life to end he would not have sent my son. I don’t agree that all suicides end up in hell. Again if people believe they all do that is your choice. The Jesus and Holy Spirit that I walk with Dailey have love and compassion for the mentally ill and would not send a person to hell who is not thinking rationally and not well mentally and physically from the evils inflicted upon them in this world. I have been diagnosed with PTSD from an incestual relationship with my mothers brother when I was a young girl thru high school. My mother did not want to believe or accept what was happening to me. I would try to block out what was happening and I visioned I was somewhere else when these sexual acts happened to me. I married an alcoholic when I was 21yrs old. I did not understand the term. my husband never hit me until after we got married. I struggled for4 yrs in that marriage and was physically and mentally abused the whole time. I struggled with the desiring to get divorced because I knew that was not how God intended the commitment to end up. he cheated on me the whole 4yrs we were together and I forgave him every time. I got Christian counseling and they advised me I had no choice to leave him or they felt I would end up dead at his hands. I remarried and had 2 children and was married13 yrs before I tried ending my life. Again another abusive relationship. I have forgiven both my ex husbands and we are now friends today. My first husband told me that he would have never stopped drinking and stopped his abuse if I Would not have left him. He has been sober now for over 20yrs. He was a marine and military police officer when we were married. I asked for help from the marine corps and they told me they would not acknowledge he had a drinking problem until he made Sargent. I know God has been with me my whole life and I know he knows he is the love of my life. Physical and mental abuse at the hands of others can cause their victim to become mentally ill and puts them into a survival mode even if that means they have to take their own life to escape from the hands of their abuser. I think God understands the victims motives and heart soul and mind and would never condem them to hell. you can hold your opinion David but I still hold to mine. God is more forgiving and compassionate and understanding and loving then you are giving him credit for. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the only unforgivable sin. Christ has mercy and cries when we cry at the evil of others inflicted on his children.

  • Wendy

    Amen, Tracylee. I’m sorry for all of the trials you went through (from a human perspective), but, as a believer, Good promises to work it to your good. His compassion for us AMAZES me!

    I fully agree with you: the Bible teaches that 1) the is only ONE “Unforgivable Sin”, and that is UNBELIEF, the grieving of the Holy Spirit who draws us, and 2) Hearts paid for ALL of our sins…past, present and future.

    I understand this issue as that if a true, genuine Born Again Believer should commit suicide (that sentence truly befuddles my mind when I look at it!!), Jesus paid for it on the Tree.

    I know that Catholicism ~~ and perhaps other Religions (?)~~ say that there is different gradiations of the seriousness of a person’s sins, but that is sure not what I read!!!

  • Wendy

    (I’m tired and sweltering in the heat….Forgot to proof-read. Sorry about the typos!! 😀 )

  • Thank you Wendy. I agree with you whole heartedly. Yes I know God works all things for our good. I have a very strong calling for the lost and broken people in this world. That is why this article has touched my heart about the gay friends I have at work. Some of them were sexually violated as young children and this has given them a distorted image of themselves. They are yearning for truth about why this was allowed to happen to them. In other words why did God not protect them when they were young, and is this the lifestyle that God planned for them. They have broken down cried in front of me with their confessions and stories. With the love and mercy and forgiveness from Jesus, I minister to them to the best of my ability from the promptings of the Holy Spirit inside me. I relate to them my stories and brokenness to them about me. Some of them feel that Jesus doesn’t love them because that’s how some Christians present themselves as worthy of salvation and homosexuals are not. I express Jesus loves them right where they are in their life and if they want to be forgiven, repent and become reborn in Jesus they can be. It takes courage and self acceptance on their part to forgive the person who molested them and got them involved in this lifestyle in the first place. Jesus died for us as we were still sinners. salvation is for everyone who seeks and wants it. No one is beyond getting saved. Instead of approaching homosexuals as a whole group and declaring judgement against them, I believenJesus wants us to reach out to them as individuals and listen and hear their stories of how and why they believe this lifestyle is for them, so we can offer advice and reasons it’s not for them. We need to approach them in a loving manner first not a condemning one. The word of God convicts the sinner that they need a savior. I also have a deep concern and heart for women who are struggling with guilt and remorse over an abortion. They need Jesus and forgiveness as well.i have a calling to help women and children who are living in battered women’s shelters.i never knew they existed until I left my first husband. So my point to you Wendy is Jesus has given me a very compassionate heart to the hurting and lost people in the world. I developed this understanding and love by my trials and tribulations I have gone through and the person who brought me through is Jesus and his Holy Spirit walking right beside me everyday of my life. I want my life to be a living sacrifice for Jesus.

  • Captain Bob Edwards

    WOW! As a new Christian i really hate to break it to you all but on this issue the bible is very clear. If anyone thinks that they can ask for forgiveness for their sins and then continue doing them and expect to enter the kingdom of God; you’re sadly wrong. Only each of you know in your heart if you’ve truly been saved. Our mission on earth is to be Christ like in EVERY WAY and go forth and spread the word of God that all will be saved. Continuing to sin is wrong and does not make one saved.

    • Saved Christians do not “stop sinning”, it is a constant battle until the day we go Home. But we can and do get the victory over our sins with the Lord. In 25 years, I have NEVER MET a sinless Christian. Not once. And neither have you. Have you stopped fornicating? Awesome! Have you stopped all lustful thoughts? No, you have not. Jesus says thinking on it is the same as doing it. John says that “if we say we have no sin the truth is not in us”, and then calls us who say we don’t sin liars. The Christian life is a battle, a constant battle till the end.

  • David

    Perhaps you don’t know. But I do. Can one have forgiveness by deliberate destruction of the temple of God ? NO Not when to be absent from the body is to be in the spirit, either in judgement or with the Lord. You have to be physically alive for that.
    If asking for forgiveness in the act of suicide, it has been known by testimony that the person was taken from potential eternity in hell and in hospital was restored to physical health. In this case, a bullet came extremely close to the heart. If one were to jump off a building, obviously this kind of destruction would not be reversed. Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Satan even tried that with Jesus after he fasted for 40 days.

    HEAVEN STARTS HERE. By relationship we bring heaven to earth, and God always saves a remnant. Civilization has risen and fallen several times, but this is the last days, of the last time. Soon, we will enter the time of Jacobs trouble.

    God is life. Without the spirit living in us, we are dust and spiritman that will die. The soul too, CAN die. Once born to eternity, does not mean always, as you CAN lose your salvation. We are not our own. We are given wholly over to God. To be a LIVING SACRIFICE.

    We are not to so much as place a tattoo on the body. We first have relationship. Saved by the blood of Yeshua ONLY. There is no other name by which mankind can be saved as we should all know.

    We must understand the body IS the temple of the most high, with his spirit within. One simply does not… shall we say, put grafitti all over it, or defame the throne. Our VESSEL is to be cared for just as our spirit, by daily maintenance.

    We are separated by our sin. We waken and ask for forgiveness, and go to prayer morning and evening. Perhaps also as intercessors ( 2:00 AM is the most effective time with the least opposition as most people are sleeping ). God, does not work through filthy vessels.

    The power of our anointing only comes over time. By structured prayer we learn the binding of spirits and loosening of the angelic in response to effective prayer. Just waiting to be put into action by prayer. Angels are only assigned to the saved.

    As I understand it, there are some 100 trillion of the angelic to be called upon. Did you know you can ( once you go deep enough into the things of God), that you can command angels ? They are drawn to us in prayer. They are our spiritual family.

  • Captain Bob Edwards

    Seriously. I did not say that. Now pay attention. Go forth and sin no more. We all fall and sin but to lay down with someone of the same sex. Dah. Are you that blind?

  • Wow, David your responses floor me. I have had 2 experiences with angels. God knows who will be saved. I was 26 yrs old and I met my boyfriend at a party. I made the stupid choice to drink all of the beverages he gave me. I had to drive home because I worked in the morning. I was intoxicated but had not fully embraced my condition. I was driving home on the freeway going 55mph. I either was falling asleep or passing out. I felt someone punch me in my left shoulder and opened my eyes and realized I was heading into a ditch. I corrected my vehicle and made it home safely. I praised God with thankfulness and repentance for my stupidity. He sent one of his angels to save me for a reason. 2nd experience-During my 2nd marriage my family was headed up to a Christian camp in northern MN. My husband was suppose to play his guitar at the worship service that nite at 9pm. It was winter,cold, dark and we were lost.My husband drove to far into an embankment trying to turn the car into a different direction. The rt tire in the front was off into the embankment. Our car was only rear wheel. We tried desperately to get the car unstuck and back onto the road. There were no houses or traffic or stores in sight. We were in the middle of nowhere. I told my husband and children we needed to bow and pray for God to help us. We all finished praying together and I told my husband to step on the gas one more time,as we had it in reverse. Miraculously Praise God the car moved from the embankment and we were no longer stuck. My husband stopped the car and turned to me and asked if that was one of God’s angels that had just helped us. I told him it was definitely God’s angel who helped us. To this very day he still has a hard time accepting that God answered our prayer. I was the spiritual leader during our marriage as far as following God and how he wants the family run. Because my ex-husband said he was a Christian but was never really acting like one. He was raised Catholic, I was raised Lutheran, Baptist and now my current church is non-denominational. I agree deliberate rejection of God and his word about homosexuality is a sure ticket to hell. But again you need to hear how and why they got into that lifestyle to begin with. Same goes for female prostitutes and exotic dancers. They may not have been raised in a Christian home or heard the Good News about Jesus or been invited to fellowship or even heard or read one word in the Bible. God has been removed from society, our public schools and even our government. People assume everyone knows about Jesus and salvation and what a sin is. Or really know right from wrong. Our world has gotten more evil, and children who are sexually abused will carry those scars for the rest of their lives and it plays a major impact on their life choices. You made the statement David that we need to forgive and forget. That is not totally correct. I will never be able to erase all of my painful memories. God wants me to remember them and use them in my personal testimony when I witness to other hurt and lost people, so they can hear how God was their and never abandoned me and how he used evil inflicted upon me for HIS GLORY!!! So I will go and witness and reach out to a lost,suffering,doomed world. We win people for the Lord 1 person at a time. Our God is a God of miracles and he shows us this dailey. When we win a lost soul for God we are doing what he COMMANDED us to do. And again I disagree about suicide being an unforgiveable sin and that God condemms them to hell when a person is mentally ill. Sincerely and with compassion and grace, Tracylee

  • Dear David, I think you are caught up by your rules of how and what a true Christian is, I know many enduring and spirit filled Christians at my church who have tattoos on their body. You can label them as bikers, who belong to a group in my church who are into motorcycles. They drive to a different location every.week and have fellowship and prayer. If you ran into them you might think they look scared and dangerous. Their group is called Bikers for Jesus. Some even have shoulder length hair and wear ponytails. They are on a mission to reach out to other people who belong to other biker gangs and witness to other biker groups who might be a part of the group of bikers who travel to Sturgis in South Dakota. If you have heard about what goes on or happens in Sturgis it’s not a Godly place. They are winning souls for Christ all of the time. Just because a person has not led a godly life up to the point you first meet them and witness to them and they become saved, doesn’t mean they are any less worthy of salvation then you are. Our job is to,witness to people and share our personal testimony on how having Christ in our life makes all of the difference in the world. The rest is up to Jesus and that individual as to if they will receive salvation or not. The word of God and the Holy Spirit convicts the sinner of their need for a savior. I have mailed Bibles and books to my gay friends that explain salvation. I also mailed a bible and the book “four blood moons” by John Hayes to my moms brother who raped and molested me all during my growing up years. I prayed the whole time after my divorce from my alcoholic husband for God to protect him and for his salvation. My prayers were answered 10 yrs ago. Before. He became saved an Angel of God saved his life when he was a civilian Police Officer. He pulled over a car and the man got out of the car and pointed his gun and pulled the trigger. The gun became jammed and did not fire the bullet that was intended to kill him. The man ran off and was eventually caught and prosecuted. God answers prayers everyday. I praise God for my ex husbands salvation and provided protection as a police officer. He is a totally different person with Christ in his life. Our eternal home is in heaven not here on earth. I try not to judge people by their actions until I get a chance to hear their story and life and have an opportunity to witness to them. God is the final judge not us. And David you keep mentioning our angelic family. We are humans not Angels. We were created completely different from each other as far as DNA goes. Are you sure your not a Morman? Mormans believe they can become gods and procreate human souls for an earthly body. I would like to hear more from you David explaining our angelic beginnings that we have no rememberance of. I am curious and would like some Biblical scripture that explains your stance of our pre-existence before we became human at the moment of conception. Thank you David for your reply,Tracylee

    • David

      As to the fact that we were created by God and our angelic origin.

      Psalm 90 O Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations. Before the mountain were brought forth, yea, before thou didst form the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting, Thou art God.

      Where was our dwelling place in all generations ? With God. When ? From before the foundations of the world. Where is God ? He is outside of creation which he has robed himself with.

      There are five physical or energetic dimensions. Beyond this, there are seven spiritual dimensions. God… is beyond these in what we would call the 13th dimension. Omnipresent with his son Jesus at his right hand.

      God does not make mistakes. Life cannot come into the world unless he causes it to be so. All life is precious, more valuable than our planet. Just as we are to love God with all that we are, we are to love each other as ourselves. If we knew what we are, we would not live the way we do ! Our identity has been stolen from us by the adversary. Born into a physical world of corruption and entropy, because of sin. ( But can be saved by Jesus, and the plan of salvation )

      We depart from our angelic family in the presence of God, given the five senses to deal with our now created physical form to interact in the world with. Am I the only one who ever wondered what babies were looking at and speaking too ? As we take in more of this world, we leave the spiritual connection behind, until we no longer have any connection to it.

      We are predestined from before the foundations of the world to our purpose in fulfilling our roll in the body of Christ. Have you ever read in scripture that a thing may come into our “remembrance” ?

      All in the physical, can only take place once it has taken place in the spirit FIRST. One is the foundation of the other. This, is the nature of existence. The flesh is always at war against our spirit. Because of free will, it is never known other than by God, as we enter the physical, if we will ever fulfil our destiny. Again, one cannot be born unless God allows it. Once he creates our spirit, it exists in eternity. For those sent to earth, we are given free will to accept or reject, but our body is not our own, and is to be a living sacrifice, given wholly over to him, and then our temple is not our own.

      It must be ourselves of our free will to come to God, by way of his son, to come into our destiny. Few, will ever fulfil all that God has for us.

  • eddie santana

    Tracylee, I understand the concept of looking like the world in order to attract the world to Christ, but there is a flaw in that logic…mainly, what’s the difference between Christians and the world if Christians look like a worldly person? Does God really want to win someone that will be compromising the word of God? Does God really want people in the kingdom that think it’s alright to mutilate the His temple once they become saved? There’s enough compromise in Church already. It’s the same principle as people winning people to Christ using the world’s satanic music, just putting Christian words to it. To me…no difference. I know you might disagree, but I’ve always had issues with that kind of evangelism. You might look like a biker with clothes, but when you start defacing God’s temple, that is a line I wouldn’t want to cross. People call tatoos “art,” but I call it a lame attempt to make someone feel better about, and express themselves, which they can accomplish with decorative clothing, and not using themselves as human pin cushions or writing tablets.

  • Dear Eddie, the tattoos were on their bodies before they got saved. They are not compromising the word of God, by riding their motorcycles wearing blue jeans and biker jackets that say Bikers for Jesus on them. They are doing what Jesus commanded us to do, go out into the world where there is evil and sinners and share the Good News of Jesus and the gospel of salvation. We are commanded to go out into a hurting and lost world. It does not matter to God what your former life was like, he can use it for His Glory. That is what these men, bikers are showing. Jesus loves everyone right wear they are in their life and will change that person from the Inside out if they accept his offer of salvation, repent and surrender their lives over to God. Just because someone doesn’t fit your expectations in appearance as to what a Christian should look like does not mean they are not one. We will continue to sin even tho we are saved, by thought, word spoken or not spoken, deed done or not done until the day we die. Remember only Jesus lived a sinless perfect spotless life according to the standards set by God, because Jesus is God and only God could fulfill the Law by his death and resurrection. His blood covering our sins is the only reason we are worthy in God’s eyes.Remember works will not save a person even if they think they are worthy or good enough. Because God says no one is worthy, unless they believe in his only begotten son Jesus. Remember John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life. God bless you Eddie. Your sister in Christ, Tracylee

  • Dear Eddie, the tattoos were on their bodies before they got saved. They are not compromising the word of God, by riding their motorcycles wearing blue jeans and biker jackets that say Bikers for Jesus on them. They are doing what Jesus commanded us to do, go out into the world where there is evil and sinners and share the Good News of Jesus and the gospel of salvation. We are commanded to go out into a hurting and lost world. It does not matter to God what your former life was like, he can use it for His Glory. That is what these men,t bikers are showing. Jesus loves everyone right wear they are in their life and will change that person from the Inside out if they accept his offer of salvation, repent and he surrender their lives over to God. Just because someone doesn’t fit your expectations in appearance as to what a Christian should look like does not mean they are not one. We will continue to sin even tho we are saved, by thought, word spoken or not spoken, deed done or not done until the day we die. Remember only Jesus lived a sinless perfect spotless life according to the standards set by God, because Jesus is God and only God could fulfill the Law by his death and resurrection. His blood covering our sins is the only reason we are worthy in God’s eyes.Remember works will not save a person even if they think they are worthy or good enough. Because God says no one is worthy, unless they believe in his only begotten son Jesus. Remember John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life. God bless you Eddie. Your sister in Christ, Tracylee

  • We are called as Christians to take the Gospel to all sinners. In our zeal for God many of us have forgotten God’s love (for God so loved the world. …) hate has no place in our walk with God. We are called to reach the lost all of them not a select few

  • Amen Daniel!

  • edwitness

    David,
    Where does Paul ever say he sins Daily? What verse?

  • David

    I will search the scriptures to find them. I am certain I will find more than one. For you already know that the temple of God is within us. How can one destroy the temple of God, which is to blaspheme the holy spirit, and have forgiveness ? For to be absent from the body is to be in the spirit. Either unto judgement, or with the Lord.

  • edwitness

    David,
    I have to ask you. Just who is your daddy? Your creator?
    Is he having sex with his many wives, keeping them perpetually pregnant and pumping out spirit babies, to be sent to begin the process of eternal progression?

    Is he the one who was once as we are and has become now as we may become? Are you in the process of becoming a god just as he is?

    Is the christ that you worship not the Christ of traditional Christianity as President Hinckley said?

    Is your daddy the one who said that Native Americans are descended from the Hebrew Lamanites? The same native Americans who Dr. Thomas Murphy, Mormon anthropologist and scholar said created “a dilema because the genetic evidence shows clearly that American Indians are not Hebrews, they are not Israelites”? And that “the archaeological evidence shows that the book of Mormon is not true, and that “we have based our beliefs on a Book of Mormon, which we thought was an accurate historical record. But the genetic evidence has pretty conclusively shown that that is not possibly the case”? He continues; “Because we gave it the status of the ‘Word of God’, we have to change what we mean by the ‘Word of God’. That’s a dangerous prospect for any religion to do…. but there is not a lot af alternatives”. Is this the one?

    If so, then there is ample evidence to dispell such notions. That is if you are willing to be objective with the evidence.

    But if, in fact I am wrong about the origins of your false understanding, then you are likely just another of the lost “spiritual” sojourners who have been fooled by the endless chorus of those who are perishing.
    Either way you are a lost person. Who needs to meet the true Jesus and place your trust in Him for your salvation.
    Keep reading Geoffrey’s posts and you will hear what you need for this salvation

  • edwitness

    David,
    I just thought I might help you with seeing the scripture the way it is supposed to be seen in it’s proper context.
    When you quote Psalm 90 you must first understand that the context is the Lord and our trust in Him. We are not the context.
    God is the one who is being referred to as the dwelling place and eternal. Not those who have Him as their “dwelling place” now.
    The “generations” are from Adam tiil now. Not in eternity past.
    With this we can clearly see that the Psalmist is not saying we existed in eternity with God.
    We are creation and He is Creator. And that will never change. The fact that God is the Creator and therefore is separate from His creation, is what makes Him holy. Separate.
    And also, the “remembrance” you spoke of is to have God bring to our remembrance those things we have learned from His word, the Bible. Not some past life we had in eternity past. There is no context for that in the Bible.
    This is much the same as the misinterpretation Mormons give for when Jesus said that He had sheep that were not of this fold. He was speaking of the two folds which were Jew and Gentile. Not tribes of Jews in the Middle East and other tribes of Jews that were in the Americas. Jesus said it over and over again. “To the Jew first(one group of sheep) and then to the Gentile(the other sheep not of this fold).
    Blessings:-}
    Blessings:-}

    • David

      Sarcasm is not becoming or productive. I don’t see it the same as you do, but then that doesn’t surprise me. Interpretation is usually the big issue with a great deal of scripture. As I mentioned, I am no Mormon. That’s one of the 4,000 false religions today.

      We have ended up not having correct understanding because we were separated from our origin. The religions have not been led by the prophets unto whom it is revealed first. I am however no prophet. Do you know of any ministry that is a five fold ministry ? Led by a seasoned and proven prophet ? If you do, it would be worthy to study more from that leadership, or perhaps miss out on revelation knowledge. There is a great deal to learn of course.

      Not just the scripture, but the heart work that goes with it, because it means we have to change. We have to destroy the first dragon that is the self. The ego. We, will always be our own worse enemy. Even if we do not sin wilfully. By temptation always striving to over come. Studying line upon line, precept upon precept.

      Because of the great sin of Solomon, God divided the kingdom into two parts. The northern kingdom was made up of ten tribes known as the house of Joseph. The house of Ephraim and the house of Israel.
      The southern kingdom was known as the house of Judah.

      The northern kingdom sinned greatly against God and CHANGED the festivals and laws so the people would not go back to Jerusalem.
      ( Like… Halloween, the calender, and the Sabbath, and sun worship as the Catholics do and I grew up in all my life. ) God scattered the northern kingdom to the four corners of the earth because of these sins. God said they would not be known by the tongue they spoke or the colour of their skin. However, He said in the last days He would once again gather these lost tribes and bring them back into Israel. ( This is beginning to happen now. )

      In Genesis 48:19 Jacob blessed Ephraim and said he would become the fullness of the Gentiles. This is the correct interpretation of this verse; if you go back into the Hebrew text you will find this to be
      the truth.

      In Isaiah 8:14 “And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.”

      We all understand that Judah, the southern kingdom stumbled in seeing Yeshua Jesus as the Messiah. However, FEW realize that the other house was the northern kingdom. They stumbled over being able to see that the Holy Covenant was still in place.

      These people of the northern kingdom had become the fullness of the Gentiles not knowing that they were the lost tribes. When Yeshua Jesus came to this earth, the northern kingdom was drawn to the Messiah. The southern kingdom was blinded by God that they could not see him as Messiah, but they kept the law. Thus…BOTH KINGDOMS STUMBLED.

      In Hosea 7:8 “Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned,” He is saying Ephraim has the Messiah but not the law.

      Hosea 8:11-12 “Because Ephraim hath made many alters to sin, alters shall be unto him to sin. I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing.”

      Most of the church today is the northern kingdom and they do not know it. God is now beginning to gather them to one day bring them back into the nation of Israel, the land God gave to our forefathers.

      The Shofar has been sounded and the eyes of Ephraim are beginning to open. God is fulfilling His promise to bring them back into the land that has always been theirs.

  • eddie santana

    “God is more forgiving and compassionate and understanding and loving then you are giving him credit for.”

    Sister Tracylee, I would be careful with the reasoning I quoted from you, because non-believers and believers alike use that logic in justifying their lives, not coming to Christ, and justifying homosexuality.

  • eddie santana

    Wendy and Tracylee, while it’s true that Jesus paid for all our sins, part of the requirement for that forgiveness is repentance. How can anyone really think they can leave this world “sinning” and God will embrace them unquestioningly in eternity, without repenting for the sin that takes the out of the world? We are judged for the sins that are done “in the body” or while alive. I don’t know how God feels about repenting for a sin beforehand, to me it’s kind of presumptuous and dangerous. While I sympathize with mental illness, there are mentally ill people that God may judge “accountable” and some not. The thing is it’s a crap shoot, really. But would you want to gamble your eternal security on an assumption? I don’t think God does not tolerate rebellion, even from His kids (which one has to wonder, would one of God’s kids destroy one of God’s holy temples? Lots to consider.

  • Dear Eddie, I am not justifying anything. When I was swallowing the pills all that was in my mind is I wanted to be in Heaven with Jesus. I was desiring to be with God for to die for me was gain to be with Jesus. I was not thinking about consequences or trying to tempt God. Unless you have been in my shoes and walked where I have been on my journey in life I do not expect you to understand. Romans 9v38-39 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor Angels,nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth,nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. When we are in combat at the hands of others, We do what we think is necessary to make it through. For me it was to be with Jesus at that very moment, life had no meaning for me at that moment. There are people in the Bible who took their own lives. Depression is not a condition of the mind that the person wishes upon themselves. It is a chemical imbalance of serotonin and dopamine. It can be inherited genetically or brought on by extreme physical and mental stresses. It is a physical illness. Also there are certain medications that have warning labels on them that advise may cause suicide. Mental Health in this country is severely misunderstood and under treated. Did you know a lot of homeless people are on the streets because they are suffering from mental health imbalances happening in their brains like schizophrenia, bi-polar, etc. Severe trauma can bring on Post Tramatic Stress Disorder which I have been diagnosed with as well as clinical depression. Mental health conditions run in my family by genetics. Also thyroid gland imbalances in the body can cause mental health disorders until the thyroid hormones are brought back into balance. I also have hypothyroidism which while untreated caused me to have a grandmal seizure, so now I also have to take ant seizure medication for the rest of my life because they also discovered I have normal pressure hydocephalus. The ventricles in my brain are larger than normal, but I was probably born with it. God made my body and he knows what is going on in my mind and where my heart and soul are at. They will always be with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I am by nature a follower instead of a rebel unless I see injustices and then I stand up against it with my full armor of God on. You and David need to let God be the final judge concerning suicide. Again every reborn Christian will continue to sin by thought, word or deed. Wether you willfully intended to or not. Jesus blood covers all sins of believers. It will always be a constant battle going on until we die just like Geoffrey said. Love your sister in Christ, Tracylee

    • David

      Tracylee,

      God has already mad his law known in the word. If I could find the specific passage I would write it. However, I have something far far greater than a single passage to show you. I give you the greatest teacher I know, and he knows me.
      https://youtu.be/gE-DHtmRol4 75 Encounters with angels. I pray you get the opportunity to meet him. It took me 6 years after I first met him before I returned. I’m hard headed. You may not be as stubborn.

      • Any site when opened that offers a different level of blessing by how much money you give each month – run. I am not an angel, or a prophet, just a Christian by the grace of my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

      • Dear David, thank you for that website about God’s Angels. I just finished watching it and it has given me great comfort to know they are there to help us. I would like to watch the video about why he does not believe in the rapture. Blessings to you David. Your sister in Christ,Tracylee

  • eddie santana

    Sister Tracylee, I was not trying to minimize what you or others went thru and go thru. All I’m saying is that despite God’s great love for His people, He has spiritual laws that if broken have consequences, in which, you’re right, God is the final judge. All I’m saying is I wouldn’t want to be in that position. I’ve had someone take their life in my house. I’ve seen the horror first hand. That was enough to cure any thought I’ve ever had of self-harm. She was a Christian, too. Only God knows what happened to her, but I don’t ever want to find out–not that way.

  • Dear Eddie I am sorry you had to experience that. I believe in God’s Grace that she is in Heaven. Remember we are saved by God’s Grace through our faith in Christ Jesus. Death cannot separate us from God’s love. We are secure in our salvation. If you are interested you could go on got questions.org with your bible questions and research suicide. Yes suicide is a sin but it is forgivable just like your other sins. People die all the time without having time to repent their sins to God. Only blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the only unforgivable sin and that is to say God is evil. And total unbelief. Our God is loving,compassionate,forgiving, merciful, trustworthy in his words. If you walk in grace through Jesus than nothing can separate you. He paid the price for our sins on the cross ALL of them, past and present. And future sins. If you make excuses and say that not all sin is forgiven then you are defeating Jesus purpose for going to the cross in the first place. In the moments up to swallowing those pills are was asking God to forgive me for not being able to endure any longer and I wanted to go immediately into his presence for comfort. God’s love is agape love. His love is not earned or deserved, but he loves his children. I am a child of God and I am forgiven. I am secure in my salvation. That is why I witness to others. God does not want any of his creation to perish. He came not to condemn the world but to save it. He knocks at the door of people’s hearts until they decide to let him in. Some choose not to let him in. That is why God is the final judge of all because he knows what’s in the heart, soul and mind of everyone. God bless you Eddie, love thru Christ, Tracylee

  • Daniel

    My family thrown me out because they found out that I am straggling with homosexuality. They are all christian. For them I am the worst sinner who lost his salvation. I found inside churches almost always hate towards gay people. I am against Sam sex marriage, sexual acts. But even today I am straggling with this sinful attractions. I am praying since over 20 years for deliverance. Only because of Jesus I am still alive and hopefully soon free from that sin. My hope is only in Jesus. Sad to say but I didn’t reciv in church love…

  • First, the true church is almost underground as I type today.
    Second, millions of Christians, who are not facing your particular temptation, have never felt comfortable in denominational churches due to the man created stuff in their brands of Christianity. The denominational church divides God’s Children. At best it is a very clique oriented social gathering. I have known “preachers” who would not have a Biblical discussion with me because they did not know their Bibles as well as I do – and there are thousands who have studied longer than me who know their Bibles better than I do – for some reason they are usually the less noticed in any congregation.
    SO – Third, there are MANY good Christians in churches, but they are usually not the ones in the limelight, or running the show. If denominational church is your thing, give the quiet folks in the back a chance at friendship.
    My history is one of searching the different denominations in my youth to find my Church home —- and I am still looking (but not with the same fervor as before).
    I have come to believe that I have learned the scriptures outside of denominational church because that was God’s plan for me. I am still not sure why, but if I am patient, I will know in His time.
    I feel your pain. I am in a group of people who have been pushed out of anything mainstream for many reasons . . . I am a Christian woman who asks questions – not everyone’s favorite at a church.
    When I was 17, an evangelist (that is now on television), snapped my Bible shut in my hands and told me I was going to hell if I didn’t stop asking questions. I only asked one. What did I ask him?
    My Bible was opened to : “Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.”
    I had friends who had gone forward at the end of the evangelist’s preaching . . . yelling at folks . . . and I asked him why he told my friends that they had to go up in front of the town to be saved through him? I told him that they were crying and said they did it so others would not think badly of them, but they didn’t understand what they had just done. He then slammed my Bible shut and told me I was going to hell if I didn’t stop asking questions.
    He wasn’t that much older than me – maybe ten years – and I forgave him a long time ago. But, at that time it just made me feel like I did not belong in the largest church in town.
    In my career, I was hired because of my achievements – but when a pretty young woman walks in the door and is new upper management when people inside the company were looked over (not really, I had a reputation of an M.O. of getting businesses out of the red and into the black) – well, it is hard to be disliked by so many who just thought I was hired because I looked good in my suit and heels. I worked harder than anyone to win them over, and I would – but, I tell you this because so many suffer in so many ways because of so many different kinds of prejudice, it is hard to believe that others don’t understand. Even when I was not hired directly into upper management, I quickly wound up there because some of us are leaders and some followers. It is what we do with that position others bestow upon us that makes the difference. I would experience even hatred from people who didn’t even know me because they formed an idea of prejudice in their mind before giving me a chance.
    I tell you this because I want you to see through someone else’s eyes – and understand all those others who are hurt by prejudice. Too tall, too skinny, too pretty, too ugly, too fat, too insecure, too extroverted, too smart, too stupid, too white, too black, too brown, too envious, too lazy, too energetic, too two faced, too sweeeeet, too sharp, too humble, too arrogant, too Christian, too Jewish, too gossipy, too secretive, too schmoozy, too proud, too Southern 🙂 , too Texan 🙂 , too Yankee (LOL), too oppressive, too victimized, and on and on and on and on . . . . . . . . .
    I was abused – mentally and physically – I was the victim to the abuser – both sick in different ways, and I overcame with the Lord’s help. But there are people who didn’t like me because when I showed up with a bad bruise that you could see, I made them feel uncomfortable. I thank those that looked down on me because I was a victim – because that gave me the gumption to overcome it with The Lord’s help. Gay tendencies? POC with God . . .
    YOU ALREADY HAVE WHAT YOU NEED! LET ME BE YOUR EXAMPLE. I AM A HAPPILY MARRIED WOMAN WHO IS NO LONGER A VICTIM FOR 20 YEARS! NO ONE HITS ME ANY MORE. NO ONE’S GOSSIP ABOUT ANYTHING I DO HURTS ME ANY MORE! I AM IN COMMUNION WITH THE LORD 24/7/365 DAYS A YEAR. I UNDERSTAND PRAYING WITHOUT CEASING – NOT AS THE HYPOCRITES BE. THE LINE BETWEEN ME AND THE LORD IS OPEN CONSTANTLY. The Lord graces my mind in perpetuity. My blessings abound. I have 5 degenerative diseases, and my husband has Stage 4 cancer. It barely affects our mental and heart lives. It affects our physical life, but we help each other AND we see nothing but blessings in every situation. We didn’t get this way just a wishing and hoping – we only got this way with the Lord in our lives. You really do have access to every need you have being fulfilled – it is knee time. God bless you.
    You don’t need me or anyone else on this site, anyone in your town, any person – period. You need to become one with the Lord; and when you do – I promise you that you will never again let any person or problem you encounter define who you are. God bless you. For me, it all started with heartfelt prayer on my knees before my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. You cannot imagine how many miracles the Lord has worked in my life. I send you healing and strength prayers. God Bless You.

    • suez

      Juanita, Praise God for that testimony!!! May the Lord bless you richly.

  • David

    You say your blessings abound, yet you say you have five diseases. One of the benefits of keeping all the eternal covenants of God, the God of Israel, is to live the abundant life, in health. Can we agree you are missing something here ? You can be free of all disease.

    As I said…the Mormons are a corrupted religion. In the seven spiritual dimensions this is the realm of all that exist without a physical body. All those in heaven, and the angels. We, as being of mankind are therefore of a dual nature. While there is spiritual DNA, there is also physical DNA. There is the angelic race, and one third of these are fallen. Totally no chance to redeem their spiritual DNA, as there is NO plan of salvation for the angelic.

    As to the fact that we come from the angelic realm in the spirit, I give you scripture that you may have further enlightenment.

    PREDESTINATION
    From before the foundations of the world. Ephesians 1:4-5, 1:11, 2:10

    If you want to be free from health condition, this can be done either by miracles, or you can go to the greatest medical source on the planet. Go to nutrimedical.com

    • David, How you came to your views is beyond me. I am not a Mormon.

      We do not live in Utopia, therefore, hereditary degenerative diseases exist. Genetically speaking – at least one of the children in my family would get the different degenerative diseases from each parent. As long as man has his sin nature, there will be no utopia. I have had many miracles in my life, so I know they are possible. Only a miracle could change the damage from Rheumatoid Arthritis – femur bone turned to pudding when the knees were reduced to bone grinding on bone; or from degenerative spine disease and Osteoarthritis causing a broken back (sparing the reader the details of that). The miracle will happen when I get a new body, and I am looking forward to that.

      God created the time continuum we live in, and being outside of time He saw the beginning, the end, and all in between. He knew each of us before we were in our mother’s wombs. He saw what each of us would do with our free will. He saw that I would choose Him early in my life. He chose where divine intervention would happen – if and when prayers would be answered = God’s plan for each and all. That doesn’t mean He would make all of our lives perfect – then we would be robots, and that is not what life is about.

      “Romans 8:28 (KJV) And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose.”

      We do not know God’s mind, and therefore we have faith and trust that He is in charge, and everything will work together for the good’ for I do love God. You do not get to define my life as abundant or not abundant. That is between me and The Lord. My life is more abundant than you can imagine.

    • Wendy

      I doubt that righteous Job in the OT would agree with you…..

  • Wendy

    (My above reply was intended for David David and his views on health, not you, Juanita.
    May blessings come to all…..)

    • david

      Hello Wendy,
      If what I have written does not ring true to them, then the least one could do, is to go to the greatest medical doctor alive. He has far more then the attributes of more letters after his name than his full name. He is more then a medical intuitive, and those around the world including billionaires who listen to him. And is also more than his photographic memory and an IQ over 200. There is nothing he won’t tackle.
      His costs, his far superior ability to identify your individual specific medical needs, and the treatment protocols and nutricuticles, are superior to all others available. He also has access to those who beat cancer if need be.
      Go to http://www.nutrimedical.com

      • Wendy

        Thanks, David, but I have already beaten a late-stage rare cancer without him!
        God granted me grace and mercy, and that trumps your guy.
        Know that I’m smiling at you as I write this.
        Peace be with you!

  • I was thinking about Job too. 🙂

  • david

    Beyond you perhaps. My views were initiated from before the foundations of the world, as all are predestined to a purpose for God. Each of us has a part to play in the body. There is a “spiritual call” which has been verified by five specific circumstances in my life which reproved to me are real, just in discovering the beginnings of my new man.

    These began in the days of 9/11 when my mother died.
    I am former military intelligence. I have already been underground. I have worked around a few world leaders. It’s my experience for example, royalty hate being around children of the light. It reminds them of their end. They despise even more, being exposed for what they are.

    I spent many thousands of hours learning from experts in many many fields, after finally getting out of the military, at first living in rebellion not finding my way. Then eventually, by the prayers of my mother in tongues, to slowly like a drip coffee maker, to get ever closer to the truth until my prayers culminated in an answer from the most high.
    One can NEVER turn from the truth given by the holy spirit. To walk away from your destiny is to blaspheme the holy spirit. He is beyond my words of praise. Every word of good report one could imagine….and beyond, like that cartoon figure buzz lightyear some of the kids watched.

    Our utopia will only be found in the Holy spirit. That is the only peace people will know, as peace has been taken from the earth. The kingdom is already within you. What is coming will kill billions.

    Fast, pray in tongues and be a spiritual fruit producer. Keep his holy covenant. Then when you have pleased the father enough, will he have a way for you to receive the blessings. He honours our efforts, as this is a learning process. You can only do miracles according to the level of faith you have.

    None of this happens by email, phone call, or conversation with a friend, because it has to come from within ourselves, as the spirit reveals God’s truth, in answer to effective prayer. Agreed however, for some this is not given.
    It is not for anyone to say…oh, this is for me and not for you. That’s not anyone else’s place to say. The only thing I can do is to study the scripture to become approved by overcoming all the mountains in my life until I can be used by God.
    That means first…obedience. To be led by the spirit. To learn to hear him. To sit down for 3 or 5 years and shut up long enough to learn something, because you don’t get the teaching I get, down at the local church or synagogue on the corner of third and vine.

    Just because I found my destiny does not mean I will fulfil it. Once saved…is not always saved. It is possible to lose your salvation. One must be willing to forget the many wrong teachings given by the churches they were raised in, to start over fresh, with basic learning they should have been taught the first time. Just like so-called normal education, which gives the PhD merely 4% of the total knowledge available to him…big deal. No wonder the child will astonish the learned of this world, who lean on their own understanding. For the children it will be easier, not having to go through that.

    Surely you understand that the outstanding example of Job goes against the point I make. The Jews, have been scattered and dealt great hardships the world over for generations. Yet… These are among the healthiest and the wealthiest of all populations in the world. This is undeniable. And why is that ? They sure don’t have the testimony of Jeshua ! Because they keep the covenant. This is unfortunate because without Yeshua, that’s all they will ever have.

    The BENEFITS of keeping God’s holy covenant are a strange thing to all the lost tribes, who over the generations, have built many alters to sin, as I have explained. If you look up Constantine’s mother, you will see it explained in the history books, that SHE caused a separate Sabbath for Christians than was long ago commanded by God, to be on Saturday. She hated the Jews, and in fact had many killed. So far, I am certain you have not done this s yet.

    By this I mean the lost tribes have lost their identity as being of the children of Israel. Job did no wrong, yet God allowed Satan to test him, and Job passed, with great long suffering he did not waver from his ways.

    It is known that we are in the last days. Every keeper of the Torah, and the false Jew of the Kabbalah, ( the synagogue of Satan ), knows the benefits of keeping the commandments of Moses. The lost sheep…do not.

    Torah Jews laugh at those who give money to the television evangelists for the benefits the Jews have, because these do not keep the holy covenant. The evangelists who go to the third world all claim to do healing and the people come only to be angered by these liars. In the west, we do not even get very upset by this. Yet…with no anointing they fail, and many must rush to escape with their lives because they too, have no anointing.

    You are quite correct about the true church being underground however.

  • edwitness

    David,
    That was pretty long winded. But there are a couple of issues worth responding to.
    1. Sabbath means rest. It does not mean Saturday. Jesus became our rest, our Sabbath, when we come to Him by faith.
    Mathew 11:28.
    2. For a Christian to keep the law is for them to become bound to it. Romans 7:1-7 tells us that to be bound to a husband(the law) and then to be married to another(Jesus the Christ) is adultery. Paul says that the husband(the law) must be dead first so that she can be married to another(Jesus the Christ). He goes on to say that the person that is bound to the law and to Christ finds themselves in the predicament he describes in the rest of the chapter, saying “The thing I hate, that is what I do. The thing I want to do I can’t do.” This battle is the result of someone being bound to the law and bound to Christ at the same time. By definition it is “legalism”.
    A person is in spiritual adultery when he binds himself to the law and to Jesus at the same time. Therefore we must be delivered from the law (vs.7), not in service to it, to be married to Christ.

    • david

      edwitness,
      You have not researched Constintine’s mother. You are in error in your understanding. You have been lied to by religion of false doctrine. What does forever mean to you. As a sign between God and the children of Israel ? You think that means only until Jesus came ? Wrong sir.
      One aspect here is of concern, that Judah IS just as messed up in legalism, as you are messed up by wrong teaching. The holy covenant is to be forever. If you are going to have anything to do with the God of Israel, you should be made aware of this. To interpret this by the understanding you have been taught, is wrong teaching and wrong believing.

      As I have already stated, the lost sheep have many alters to sin. You have not recognized your identity as being of the lost tribes. There is a spiritual call that has gone out, in the last outpouring of the holy spirit. There have been transitions of the church since Christ. Instead of continuing to follow his leading, there are now 4,000 religions, while we know that God is ONE. It is one set of ways for all and God does not change.

  • eddie santana

    Daniel, I and others support you. Not because homosexuality is right, but because you’re trying to do the right thing, and struggling with any form of addiction is not good (yes, I compare it to an addiction, because I have my own struggles). Keep on leaning on Jesus, because when man lets you down, Jesus will never let you down.

  • david

    YES… You Are absolutely correct of course. God is a wondrous healer of all his creatures. By the stripes of Yeshua we are already healed. If you still have diseases, in fact even if you don’t, this… is the doctor to have. Especially in the field of medicine, he is in a category of his own.
    He also has access to the singulairly greatest collection of means to protect your health in advance of showing up in the body. The education alone in many related matters makes it indespensible to listen to him as do ordinary people and billionaires alike. You can gain a great deal of vital knowledge from one who is a servant of our most high God, when that servant has such vast knowledge and an IQ over 200.

    Just as an example, and in keeping with the theme of this original article, there medical reasons involved in homosexuality, which no person on this site has mentioned because of a lack of knowledge. He, has that knowledge. You may recall, “my people die for lack of knowledge”. While it may not be needed for you, there are others you can help by knowing all about him.

    Be it known. There are medical reasons why homosexuality has increased. If this is dealt with, it remains for the heart to conclude the matter.

  • edwitness

    David,
    The writer to the HEBREWS told them “Then said He(Jesus), Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He(Jesus) takes away the first(old Covenant), that He (Jesus) may establish the second(New Covenant)”.
    And you read the passage in Rom.7:1-7. Paul makes it very clear that when an Israelite continues bound to the law and serves Christ at the same time, he is in spiritual adultery.
    If you think it means something else, tell me what it is. I will read and consider your interpretation of Rom.7:1-7.
    Blessings:-}

    • david

      One cannot discern the whole of the matter by the mind that will lie to us. One must seek what the spirit is saying. This, separates us from countless millions that read without understanding of deeper truths.
      Jesus ONLY did what the spirit led him to do, not what he wanted. From conception by the father, he was always in constant contact as one with the father by the spirit, for in the spirit they are one and the same. ( He is the father in the flesh.)

      The old covenant, the law of Moses, is eternal and everlasting. That settles the matter right there. Period. That, is not the law Jesus replaced. He did not come to destroy the law, he came to fulfil the law. That work is not yet complete, for many have yet to spiritually awaken, as the coming disasters will force all into a time of decision.
      One can be saved, without keeping the old covenant, but they will not physically survive, as some are killed by the sword, or famine etc… An airborne plague can even be a blessing, to die before being put to the test by torture and beheading for not taking the mark of the beast, s the synagogue of Satan will call this sharia law.

      Once all the children of Israel are of one in agreement, to worship on God’s holy mountain as ONE NEW MAN, THAT, is when there will be the new covenant. Israel is an object lesson for all mankind. Evil will cease to be upon the earth.

      First of all to this day, the church ( including you and I ), are STILL not as smart as Paul. There is danger in this, as we tend to lean on our own understanding, instead of spiritual discernment.

      The boys in red dresses put him in the senior position to that of Peter, who Jesus placed in the position as head of the church. NOT PAUL.

      Jesus is still in the business of establishing the second !!! It has not happened yet. There is still evil in the world. Jesus does not come for an adultress bride as you know. What Paul is saying, is that spiritual adultry comes by placing the worldly benefits that keeping the law provides, above the eternal benefits of placing the sacrifice of Jesus first to save the soul.

      One that does this is as an adultress bride. Thinking they can serve two masters because keeping the law brings the blessings of this world, ( and Jews are very much wealthy and healthy ) BUT ONLY THE BLOOD OF JESUS SAVES THE SOUL. He must come first.

      As an example of using the mind or the spirit, and the resulting difference.
      We can not have any IDOLS placed in front of Jesus. Just as in the 144,000 who are virgins. How can you find enough men in this world, that are still virgin ? That…is leaning on understanding of the mind.
      The correct interpretation by the spirit will show us, they are virgins, in that they have come out of the false doctrine of Babylon and have no idols. It is with such as these, that the one new man, and new covenant will be written in the hearts of our flesh. This is not given in the spirit to the heathen, any more than the blessings of Abraham were given to Ishmael. It was given to Issac.

      Remember. Both the northern and southern tribes stumbled. We as the northern ten lost tribes have failed to see that the old covenant is still in place, and the southern kingdom with Judah, failed to see that Jesus is Messiah. Thus, both kingdoms have stumbled.

      The lost tribes have failed to see that this covenant was still in place, and because the ten lost tribes of Israel made many alters to sin, they did not return to Israel to keep the festivals. Today we have an entire different calendar of festivals. Easter is worship to a fallen angel for example.

      As an example, I repeatedly suggest that anyone can look up Emperor Constintine’s mother, and read in history how she hated the Jews, and caused a separate Sabbath day for Christians, chosen as Sunday, and further ratified and removed from the truth under Vatican two.

      Today, the Catholic church claims to be the mother of all religions, in it’s current demonic leadership to cause all to come into their Satanic one world religion. This, is a substitute for relationship. We are called to come out of her. She, is a harlot. The pope has already ( in latin ) openly worshipped Lucifer in Easter Sunday mass in the Vatican for the last two years. He has called Jesus the son of Lucifer. This…is demonic worship and very ancient. I will never enter another Catholic church for the rest of my life. Petrus Romanus is the false prophet. A heretic.

      (I am called by the spirit, to study to be approved, that I may be worthy to stand before the son of man on God’s holy mountain, to receive the new covenant.) God has a seal, just as the adversary does. God’s seal is for those who keep his eternal covenant, and have the testimony of Yeshua. Nothing whatsoever will be able to harm them.

      The ten lost tribes are in these last days, not known by tongue or colour. The spiritual call to return for the gathering and to keep God’s ETERNAL covenant, is to be as one new man on God’s holy mountain. God is saying return to me son of mankind. This… is the prodigal son. The Jew will no longer be jealous, but Ishmael will ever be.

      That, is the new covenant that will be given which you speak of. It has not yet happened, because Judah has not yet joined to the lost tribes, and the lost tribes have yet to return. At this time the call is to foundation stones. Jesus is the corner stone.

      One can be spirit filled, and still not yet discern the call in the spirit to gather by recognizing that they may be one of the lost tribes. Only the person themselves can decide if they are. It would be a terrible thing for one to come to the knowledge of truth given by God, only to walk away from their destiny. Many will be saved, but will not come into all that God has for them to fulfil.

      For this, there is also the judgement of the saved, and will have their stripes. Then to drink from the river of God’s delight and as the former things will have passed away, evil will no more come into our remembrance. All tears will be wiped away.

  • I do not want to discourage anyone. I feel the need to caution all of us in regaeds to being puffed up (human nature), and for giving worship status to any human, and to understand that we each have different talents, and to understand that often those moving from milk Christian on their path to understanding the scriptures were so hungry to move on that they think they know more than they do and will realize there is more in their own time. So many Jews have come to know The Lord, that perhaps means their blinders are coming off in this time – perhaps another sign this time in mans history is winding down. We are the watchmen of differing gifts and purpose. God bless each of us, and we surely all pray to be a help to those who are asking for sure help.

    • david

      Yes, brother Judah will come to know that Jesus is the Messiah.

  • edwitness

    David,
    Maybe I can state this from another perspective.
    Question: Do you believe Christians are supposed to bring forth fruit unto God? Of course you do, right?
    If so, can you do this without being dead to the law of Moses? No!
    Not according to vs.4 of Rom.7. “Wherefore, my brethren, you are also become DEAD TO THE LAW BY THE BODY OF CHRIST; that you should be married to another, even to Him who is raised from the dead(Jesus), (so) that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
    According to this passage, you can not even bring forth the fruit God wants unless you are DEAD TO THE LAW.
    To make sure there is no mistake as to what law Paul is referring to, he tells us in the 7th verse. “…Thou shalt not covet”.
    This is #10 of the 10 commandments, so he is talking about the 10 commandments when he says you must be dead to the law. Not some abstracted version of it like you tried to twist it to mean in your reply.
    Paul even begins the chapter by saying he is “speaking to them that know the law”. So we know this area of teaching is specifically for the Jews and not Gentiles, because the Gentiles never had the law. Rom.2:14.
    Paul ends the 7th chapter with a question, and the answer to this struggle. In vs.24 he writes: “Who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ my Lord. So then with the mind(the mind that still wants to be bound to the law) I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh (you can’t know God through the flesh) the law of sin”. Sin that is made sinful by the law. Rom.7:13. “…that sin BY THE COMMANDMENT might become exceedingly sinful”. Meaning it counts against you.
    Where there is no law sin is not imputed. Rom.5:13. This means sin does not count against you where there is no law. This is why the Jews had to be “DELIVERED FROM THE LAW”. Rom.7:6. So that their sin would no longer count against them.
    Again Rom.7:4 leaves NO WIGGLE ROOM. YOU MUST BE DEAD TO THE LAW SO THAT YOU CAN BE MARRIED TO CHRIST. OTHERWISE YOU ARE AN ADULTERER.
    I’m sorry, but that is what it means.
    And as for the issue of the New Covenant being complete. When Jesus was dying on the cross He said “IT IS FINISHED”. What was finished? He completed the work the Father sent Him to do. Salvation was won for those who would follow Him. For those who would trust in Him. The New Covenant is finished. Everyone who comes to Him in faith is delivered from death to life. John5:24. There is nothing left undone concerning salvation. The covenant is complete. Jesus fulfilled the law completely. His life, death, and resurrection are the complete fulfillment of the law. So in Him the law is fulfilled, not destroyed. So now the law is passed away. Mt.5:17,18.
    Jesus is not a mediator of the Old Covenant. He is the mediator of the New Covenant. Hebrews9:15.

    If you are an example of what Messianic Jews believe, then I would be forced to believe that you all are in a struggle in your relationship with God, because of your insistance in remaining bound to the law while also being bound to Christ. The struggle Paul wrote the 7th chapter of Romans to express.
    So come with us and receive the freedom that comes from not being under the law. No more thou shalt nots. Only thou shalts. When you are focused on the “thou shalts”, you won’t be distracted with the “thou shalt nots”.
    Love God and love one another. That’s it.
    Blessings:-}
    The events that are left to happen have absolutely zero affect on salvation for those who trust in Him.

  • david

    I take my instruction from the prophet to the nations. I leave you to your understanding and pray that you hear what the spirit is saying.

    God bless.

  • edwitness

    David,
    You can run but you can’t hide from Jesus. He loves you too much to allow you to remain in your legalism without Him trying to love you out of it. You can’t unhear what we discussed. It will haunt you until Jesus comes, or until you give in to the Spirit of God drawing you to His truth. The truth that the law and grace through faith does not mix. Rom.6:14.
    Blessings:-}

  • eddie santana

    Wendy, I’ve never met you, but I know your husband will agree with me that the world is a better place with you in it. Congrats and beating your illness.

  • eddie santana

    Sorry, *congrats ON beating your illness.

    • Wendy

      Hey Eddie! 😀
      What a kind thing to say! Thank you!

      Know that I look forward to meeting you in the Great By and By!

      Peace be with you, Brother!

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