Losing The Blessed Hope: How Prison Changed The Doctrine Of Dr. Kent Hovind

Please join us as we meet with Bro. Kent Hovind in a no-holds barred, everything on the table, NTEB exclusive interview on Bible doctrine and end times events.
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Please join us as we meet with Bro. Kent Hovind in a no-holds barred, everything on the table, NTEB exclusive interview on Bible doctrine and end times events

“Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;” Titus 2:13 (KJV)

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Dr. Kent Hovind founded Creation Science Evangelism in 1989. In 2006, due to a variety of legal troubles, Kent found himself sentenced to 10 years in prison. He was released in the summer of 2015, and immediately resumed the operation of his ministry defending the doctrine of Biblical creation. During his time in prison, he had a lot of time to study the Bible, and well as be exposed to a variety of non-biblical reading materials. Somewhere in the mix of all that, Kent Hovind was “educated” out of his belief in the Pretribulation Rapture. After, by his own admission, “believing in the Pretribulation Rapture for over 40 years”, he now calls that doctrine a “lie of Satan”.

Here is a sample page from Dr. Hovind’s book:

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Introduction page from Dr. Hovind’s book “What on Earth is about to happen.. for Heaven’s sake?: A Dissertation on End Times According to the Bible”

How is it possible to fall so far after so long a time in believing the truth? It’s because we live in the end times in the very moments before the Rapture, and Satan is working overtime to steal the Blessed Hope of Titus 2:13 from as many Christians as he possibly can. If the NTEB email inbox is any indication, Satan has been astonishingly successful.

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  • Hello. Trib begun 9/30/2015. (I don’t know the day or hour it began; anywhere from 9/23-9/30.) We’re still here. There is NO PRETRIB RAPTURE!! Rather, the Church of Philadelphia transfigures mid-trib. And anyone who does not “get” that there is an apostle of the Church of Philadelphia by the time of our escape (at the hour of temptation which begins GREAT tribulation)… will not make it.

    It’s not nice to do despite to the Spirit of Grace – and deny that miracles and apostles are for today.

    No one will escape tribulation… without a miracle… or an apostle.

    • Well, if the Tribulation began two months ago, where then is the Antichrist, the locusts from the pit, the Two Witnesses, and all the rest of it? Hmm….

      • Trevor

        Exactly Geoffrey. Most importantly we shouldn’t bind ourselves up in trivia, but we must keep our eyes on Jesus first and utmost. Pre-trib, or mid-trib, or basically no-trib, isn’t the most important issues that we should be concerned about. I lean towards pre-trib, but I will know for sure, if and when it happens, and not one second before.
        Come on Christian brothers and sisters, GROW UP!!!!!

      • aka Glory

        We, the church, the bride of christ, get out of by Rev. 5-6:11. We those who obeyed the Will of God in Acts 2:38; 10:43-48; 19:1-6; 22:16. We are Raptured and will NOT go thru the Great Tribulation. That is why we are Saved and Born again in the water and SPIRIT. The antichrist is the Pope Francis so he is already here. Dan. 11:37 & more in Daniel. He fulfills all Daniel, the white horse. Interpretation of his symbols all point to Shiva, mascot of CERN, correct turned on: beginning 9/22/2015, causing numerous huge earthquakes by magnetic chaos 300 ft below earth. Black horse: Superior General Adolfo Nicolas the Extreme Oath of Jesuits he is aka: the Black Pope the false prophet. Read the oath. His Loyola oath began 9/27/1540. The dates Illuminati use every year for Chaos. He is the Black horse. Pale horse: death from drugs, suicide murder is here.
        The dx of locusts match the detail of a Jihadist with long hair, face man, sword to behead, teeth like a lion= Red horse, Blood

        Two witnesses due any minute, the Jews know Elijah is returning 1st before great and terrible day of Lord: Mal. 4:5. Every seder meal at PASSOVER has a chair for Elijah. In Jer. 33-42, they set up the 3rd temple and in ch. 43 Christ walks thru East gate and tells them.where to put altar for 3rd temple sacrifice to begin.RAPTURE HERE. We go home with the Messiah, for the wedding, the Jews stay, and those others left behind, stay, 3 1/2 yrs. Fake Peace by Pope Francis and then he steps in stops sacrifices, takes his antichrist seat on throne in Jerusalem, . The 2 witnesses are killed, lay dead 3 days and get resurrected.Now everyone Bows down to his image, 666, mark starts. Pope already has 4 huge statues built ready to worship him, in France, Poland, SoAmerica, Rome. He turns evil with satanic possession and runs the earth to the dirt for 3 1/2 more year, from his Vatican throne set in Jerusalem temple that was rebuilt by Jews. End of 7 years. PRINCE WILLIAM has a place in the tribulation on evil side somewhere. See his family crest coat of arms. Look at images and symbols.

        Battle of Armageddon. End of Great Tribulation. End of Rome. End of Catholic church, the daughter of Shiva.
        JESUS CHRIST THE KING OF KINGS AND GOD OF THIS EARTH WINS AND ISRAEL IS VICTORIOUS. WE WIN. Raptured definitely before all hell breaks loose on Earth. There will be no more Holy Ghost, no more Holy Spirit, no more church, no more Love, no more God. Only 144,000 Jews will be protected the whole time. Thats it. No one else.

        • jonathan

          confusing tribulation or great tribulation with warth of god, tribulation is what the word do to us , warth is what god will do to the earth 7 trumpets , 7 vials,and the christians are not apointent to warth, so tecnically speaking the great tribulation is the last 3.5 years of the 7 years period and the church is going to be here tru 7 years when the moon and the sun ares darkenned then it comes the warth 1040 days and then christ return to reign 997.2 years

          Dr. Kent hoving gets the 1040 days by resting 2300 days to 42 months (great tribulation, the last 3 1/2 years from the 7th week of Daniel) , in the middle of the 7 years the anti christ desolate for 2300 days resting 1260 days/3.5 years, the result is 1040 wich is the 1000 years milleniun year reign of christ, the fist 2.8 years of the day of the lord/ 1000 reign of christ has to parte the fisrt bad wich is the wrath of god and then the blessing 997 years of reign of christ

        • Jewish Voice

          aka Glory, the Pope can’t be both the false prophet (with the horns of a lamb) and the antichrist (First Beast of Revelation 13}…The real antichrist will come from the royal families of Europe, probably a royal bastard (Daniel 9:26) and will be Jewish (Genesis 49:16-17). And he will be descended from the seventh Beast and will be the eighth going into perdition (Revelation 17:10-11)..Yes, he is alive today but not the Pope..

          • aka GLORY

            Look to other posts, the Pope Francis is the antichrist the white horse and i posted the picture of the Black pope superior General aldofo nicolas of the Jesuit Loyola order of murder, he is the false prophet, he is the black horse, he is called black for his evil. see the extreme oath of the jesuits, google both. i posted all earlier. red horse is the muslims, blood and the pale horse is death, with drugs, murder etc. Two different POPEs.. Google the name of Adolfo Nicolas the black pope and you will see it. and the POPE FRANCIS fits Daniel to the tee…he fits all the scriptures esp. not a muslim because they have 4 wives minimum sometimes as young as seven years old, a typical muslim wife. The pope fulfills this for the antichrist: Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
            Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
            Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
            Dan 11:39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

        • Andrew

          Only a few assumptions made with your post. Have you ever considered the catholic church only to be a shadow. Personally I am more persuaded that the fourth beast in Daniel, or the 7 headed beast in Revelation is a revived Islamic empire. Which current entity hates Christians and Jews, kills by beheading and specifically claims as part of their core doctrine the Christ is not God. That doesn’t really fit the catholic church but it did and does fit the Islamic Empire/Caliphate that reigned from 661AD to 1923AD (1262 years BTW – pretty close to 1260days). I suspect that the Islamic empire will make a comeback (possibly with 10 nations as its core).

          • aka Glory

            Andrew ***Think again, The Catholic Crusaders began killing Jews and Apostolic Fundamentalist Bible believing Christians, when the pagan Romans took control over the Christian churches that Peter and Paul started from the Book of Acts. ROMANS had been killing JEWS for centuries before Christ. It is their slogan by the JESUITS. The Roman Emperors formed the Crusaders in 325 AD POPE CONSTANTINE took the ‘CHURCH’ out of the hands of the Christians and formed their pagan doctrine:
            1- deleted full water baptism in Jesus Name and replaced it with Trinity titles obliterating the POWER TO REMOVE SIN and replaced it with some little spit sprinkling in a dish over a baby who cannot repent. Totally denying the baptism of John the Baptist and Peter and Paul commanding us to be buried in water in the NAME OF JESUS. in the Book of Acts where all the CHURCHES started 15 years before the Book to the Roman church.
            Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
            –>THEY DELETED THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, replaced by the titles, POPES and Priests, who make their confused congregation go to confession every week and deceive millions that the POPE, MARY and PRIESTS can remove sin. What a farce!!! They literally DELETED THE BOOK OF ACTS. Their ‘trinity’ is heresy and was adopted from the Vedic, Hindu TRIMURTI: the three gods in a godhead: Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. see google images. It is a lie created by the ROMANS..see previous posts. GOD IS ONE, HIS NAME IS “I AM”, NOT “WE THREE”. see ISAIAH. etc
            Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. JESUS CHRIST IS THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH, NOT THE POPE.
            2- Catholics Replaced Jesus Christ who died on the cross, with his Mother Mary, raising her above HER SON, to the Queen of Heaven, the babylonian Queen ISHTAR. The water well at the KILDARE CONVENT in Ireland, used to be to a pagan witch goddess called BRIGID, Before Christ. The Catholics saw the money making business and took it from the IRISH and used it for a WELL TO MOTHER MARY, and turned the witch Brigid into a saint and now she used for WICCAN WITCHCRAFT. The wells and their layout all match: Vedic Hinduism practiced at the ALTAR see previous posts.
            3- they forced all the apostles under Roman Emperor’s like TITUS, etc. and all Jews, and ALL CHRISTIANS who converted to the Gospel of Christ, to be tortured or burnt alive if they did not accept the ROMAN PAGAN RELIGION.. The Roman Catholics destroyed the 2nd JEWISH TEMPLE TO GOD IN 70AD. THEY DID, NOT THE MUSLIMS.
            The PERSIANS helped the JEWS REBUILD THE 2ND TEMPLE see book of Esther and history. NOT the ROMANS.
            In 325 AD, the Crusaders were the official killers then. The ‘CHURCH’ OF 33 AD, WAS CHANGED TO THE FAKE ‘CATHOLIC CHURCH’ Catholic means to ‘INSERT’, like a catheter. The ROMAN CATHOLICS ” STARTED DELETING AND ADDING SCRIPTURES” and wrote their own version of lies….the NT of the DRV is the only thing still intact, but they would NOT ALLOW anyone to possess a bible for 1500 years and still today tell their people ONLY A PRIEST CAN INTERPRET IT. They burnt at the stake everyone who translated into German/ English etc. if they found them. Wycliffe hid for 10 years and got away and died a normal death. 1600’s, A papal bull was issued against Martin Luther who read a bible and discovered their lying false cover up and tons of lies.
            1540 AD The crusaders changed their name to the JESUITS led by LOYOLA and took over the KILLING of the JEWS and CHRISTIANS. ( see the Extreme OATH of the JESUITS online. IT is horrible to Jews and Fundamentalist Christian bible believers). The Coat of Arms for the JESUITS matches exactly the Egyptian SCARAB inside the HINDU fertility lingam the Ankh. LINE them up side by side and see on google images. The Georgetown, Loyola and Fordham universities promote ANTI-SEMITISM AND HATRED FOR JEWS and FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANS, marriage between a man and a woman is discouraged. 1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and DOCTRINES OF DEVILS; 1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 1Ti 4:3 FORBIDDING TO MARRY, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. continued part 4 on pagan Catholic statues..

          • aka Glory

            Andrew: I cannot tell all my testimony, but I was married into a TOP CATHOLIC family and learned of their evil first hand for over 22 years. It is horrible…they are giving the MUSLIMS MAFIA and VATICAN money I am sure to do the Catholic JESUIT dirty work. They are “keeping their hands clean of blood” so they can look good when the POPE introduces the PEACE COVENANT==> the wolf in sheep’s clothing, the white horse of Revelations, the ANTICHRIST. You need to read “FROM CONVENT TO PENTECOST” by Sister Charlotte, lots of baby and children have been killed by Roman Catholics at all convents across the WORLD, nuns impregnated by Catholic Priests who raped them; and at Catholic Orphanages and Indian Reservations in massive graves, from USA to Canada, all run by the Catholic organizations. Read history…I met the author in person, her picture in the book was standing there talking to me. It is sold cheap for $12 at Pentecostal Publishing House or see excerpts online. Amazon prices it high to keep people from buying it. Also, Sister Maria Monk wrote a testimony. THE ROMAN CATHOLICS WERE PAGANS from way before Christ was born. All predicted in Daniel’s dream. The current Catholics of today adopted and moved all their pagan statues to JUPITER (now called St. PETER) and Saturn, etc. numerous, see Vatican and altars in Rome, there is one for PEACE< the PAX ROMANA…doing it for centuries. They are EXPERTS IN DECEPTION in mass perversion of the Gospel of Christ. They have influenced and coerced the MUSLIMS to operate for them in killing the Jews and Fundamentalist Christians for centuries. See history of Quraysh tribes, the Nabateans, Titus, etc. ROMAN HEROD killed all the JEWISH BABIES except for CHRIST in 0.AD. That was a ROMAN THAT KILLED ALL THOSE 1000’S OF PRECIOUS JEWISH BABIES, aged two and under, every JEWISH family, by ROMAN KILLERS, not the MUSLIMS. Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. continued…

          • aka Glory

            ANDREW** Have you read this entire OATH of the JESUITS YET? A real eye opener, here is just an excerpt…you need to read the whole thing. IT was also entered into our CITY-STATE Washington DC and passed as a bill. Documented and legal for the JESUIT CATHOLIC CHURCH to kill Christians and Jews who don’t follow their doctrine: JESUIT Extreme Oath of Induction, as recorded in the Journals of the 62D Congress, 3d Session of the U.S.’ (House Calendar No. 397. Report No. 1523), Congressional Record—House, 15 Feb. 1913, pp3215-3216
            “When a Jesuit of the minor rank is to be elevated to command, he is conducted into the Chapel of the Convent of the Order, where there are only three others present, the principal or Superior standing in front of the altar. On either side stands a monk, one of whom holds a banner of yellow and white, which are the Papal colors, and the other a black banner with a dagger and red cross above a skull and crossbones, with the word INRI, and below them the words IUSTUM, NECAR, REGES, IMPIOUS. The meaning of which is: It is just to exterminate or annihilate impious or heretical Kings, Governments, or Rulers. Upon the floor is a red cross at which the postulant or candidate kneels. The Superior hands him a small black crucifix, which he takes in his left hand and presses to his heart, and the Superior at the same time presents to him a dagger, which he grasps by the blade and holds the point against his heart, the Superior still holding it by the hilt, and thus addresses the postulant:” continued… (go to: http://www.reformation.org/oath.html) and the other website:
            http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/jesuit_extreme_oath_of_induction.htm

          • aka Glory

            Now see this website on the BLACK POPE: the black horse of Revelations, the FALSE PROPHET: he has the POWER to do the MAGIC..for the Antichrist…https://warningilluminati.wordpress.com/the-most-powerful-man-in-the-world-the-black-pope/. His name is JESUIT SUPERIOR GENERAL ADOLFO NICOLAS, he runs the 10 CARDINALS, who rule the world today: go to “Holy See”,> the scroll to Roman Curia –> then see the ROMAN JESUIT CARDINALS, THE 10 HORNS OF REVELATIONS, WHO ALREADY RULE THE WORLD….see the PROPERTY THAT THE HOLY ROMAN VATICAN CHURCH OWNS, almost all the WORLD, except for CHINA. The Muslims do not have that much control, money or power and order. This has been a clever design of the ROMANS SINCE BEFORE CHRIST to RULE THE WORLD. They will get an ALLOTTED SEVEN YEARS…first with the PEACE COVENANT for the first 3-1/2 years and then the POPE will have an accident and be possessed with satan and take over the throne in the 3rd temple in JERUSALEM and rule as the BEAST, THE IMAGES OF HIS STATUES ARE ALREADY IN PLACE ACROSS THE WORLD…huge statues to worship him in the End of Times. IT is all in place. When God takes out the true raptured Holy Ghost filled church, it will all go into action. HE GETS ONLY SEVEN YEARS TO RULE AND to do his dirty work and then POPE Francis and his false prophet Adolfo Nicolas, and his Galactica battleship of aliens will be taken out forever and JESUS CHRIST WILL RULE THE EARTH. THE JESUITS ARE THE MOST EVIL DECEIVERS in this world….funding the MUSLIMS…who are too ignorant. They are all such liars and where do liars go when they die….HELL….that is in Revelations too.

          • aka Glory

            ANDREW*** MORE STUFF ON JESUITS..(THESE MEN ARE NOT SANE, THEY ARE INSANE and very very evil, my opinion)….more of the OATH: “I, I……….., now, in the presence of Almighty God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed Michael the Archangel, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the holy Apostles St. Peter and St. Paul and all the saints and sacred hosts of heaven, and to you, my ghostly father, the Superior General of the Society of Jesus, founded by St. Ignatius Loyola in the Pontificate of Paul the Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear, that his holiness the Pope is Christ’s Vice-regent and is the true and only head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by virtue of the keys of binding and loosing, given to his Holiness by my Savior, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose heretical kings, princes, states, commonwealths and governments, all being illegal without his sacred confirmation and that they may safely be destroyed.” “Therefore, to the utmost of my power I shall and will defend this doctrine of his Holiness’ right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority whatever, especially the Lutheran of Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and the now pretended authority and churches of England and Scotland, and branches of the same now established in Ireland and on the Continent of America and elsewhere; and all adherents in regard that they be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now renounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or state named Protestants or Liberals, or obedience to any of the laws, magistrates or officers.” https://warningilluminati.wordpress.com/the-most-powerful-man-in-the-world-the-black-pope/
            http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/jesuit_extreme_oath_of_induction.htm
            http://www.reformation.org/oath.html

          • Edwitness

            Andrew,
            The seal of the Holy Spirit for the Israelites is for the same purpose He sealed the church age believers. To give them power to be his witnesses (Acts 1:8) during the Great Trib.
            And the only reason there would be a need for that is because the church age saints will have been raptured before the revealing of the AC at the beginning of the Great Trib. Creating a need for the 144,000 new witnesses.
            MARANATHA!
            Blessings:-}

          • Andrew

            To Edwitness:
            1) I see you have separated Rev 7 from before the tribulation (sealing of the 144,000) to after the tribulation (great multitude who have been through the tribulation. I don’t have that problem because I believe both events happened at the same time. Nor do I believe that current day Israel (or Jews) who are primarily descended from Judah are referred to by the 12 tribes. Ten of those tribes are lost (many believe they make up many of the Caucasians of today). I personally believe that they represent spiritual Israel (i.e.: all of Christianity) of which a select few a chosen to walk through the wrath of God.
            2) Timing: while I do believe that Revelation is not in time order, I also believe that the angels specifically tell us when the time order changes – for example when the angel interrupts John’s vision to tell him about other peoples, nations and tongues (Rev 10 I believe). Therefore I believe Rev 1-9 is in time order but 10 is not. Thus Rev 2/3 – the preaching of the gospel to all nations. Rev 4/5 – Heaven scene. Rev 6 – the tribulation. Rev 7 – the rapture/resurrection and Rev 8/9 – the wrath of God. Therefore all of this is in perfect timing. This time sequence is also repeated in Rev 14 when the sequence is gone through again in the same order (preaching to all nations, the tribulation, the rapture/resurrection (earth’s harvest) followed by God’s wrath (grapes of wrath). Notice that both Rev 7 and 14 are multiples of 7 – the number that signifies completeness, because with the rapture/resurrection the mystery that was told to the prophets is fulfilled.

        • Andrew

          Its a pity we can’t leave a reply for a reply on this site. No one is arguing that the catholic church has caused a lot of misery with the persecution of Christians and Jews alike in the past. In fact the Byzantine empire caused a lot misery to the Jews. No one is arguing that they do not have blasphemous ideology. Many would disagree on their breadth of influence as portrayed by yourself. I am still not sure from your multiple entries whether you believe the catholic church to be mystery babylon, the beast or the false prophet (or all three). However they do not behead Christians nor do they have part of their ideology that Jesus is not divine. Both of these things Islam is pre-eminent in. Also the Islamic empire (from 661AD to 1923AD) killed up to 300 million people (more than the catholic church) and took up to 150 million as slaves. Also the the seven heads of the beast in Rev 12 and 17 correlate more with the Islamic Empire than they do with the catholic church. Many would agree that these seven heads represent Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece (the five that were), Rome (the one that is), ?Islamic Empire (the one that is to come). Well current day Egypt is Egypt (muslim), current day Babylon is Iraq (muslim), current day Persia is Iran (muslim), current day Greece – their empire was mainly centred in turkey (muslim) and current day Rome – the eastern half of the Roman empire was centred in Constantinople – Turkey – and they lasted for 1000 years longer than the western half of the Roman empire (muslim). All these heads which are on the last beast are in current day muslim nations and were part of the Ottoman empire. The catholic church might sit of 7 hills – but the bible says they are mountains not mere undulations – have you been to Rome?. Mountains are represented as kingdoms throughout the Bible (see Nebuchadnezzar vision – Dan 2 – of the rock that smashed the statue and became a great mountain).

          • Edwitness

            Andrew,
            You must remember that the statue of Nebachadnezer was standing on TWO legs, not one. Those legs represent the Roman Empire. Both east and west.
            So the final world gov’t is both and the rest of the world as well. This is a trial that comes upon the WHOLE earth.
            MARANATHA!
            Blessings:-}

          • Andrew

            Edwitness I certainly like the way you think. Some believe the 7 mountains represents the 7 continents of the earth. However I am looking for a resurgent Islamic empire possibly following the destruction of some of the major super powers (I personally believe that America represents Mystery Babylon). Note that Islam is currently responsible for much violence across the earth – its people and lands occupy 1/4 of the earth (one of the horses has control of this amount of land). Imagine a resurgent Islamic empire and the havoc they could cause across the whole earth.

          • aka Glory

            Andrew:Romans, Herod murdered every
            Jewish baby 2yrs and under when Jesus was born. Then if anyone could ever calculate the number of babies and murdered nuns in concent basements and plumbing for many centuries, # unknown, the priests issued Lime to be poured over bones of babies and dead nuns removing all evidence. For many centuries, they have been murdered in Convents, some were closed, Read From Convent to Pentecost, Maria Monk and more true testimonials from nuns.
            Then go to each Catholic orphanage World-wide and investigate all those deaths. In Ireland they found massive ,over 700 dead babies and children a few years ago. Dont forget to talk to plumbers who worked on convent plumbing and all the little skeletons in the pipes. My grandmother did, the plumber sat on her porch sobbing and told her what he found in Catholic convent.
            Then lets travel to USA & Canadian Indian reservations, and orphanages. Massive graves and murders and now child trafficking is the newest Catholic church income.
            Then who started ghettos? 12th century Pope Innocent rounded up Jews in ghettos, numbered them and put on armbands and badges, Hitler a Roman Catholic paid by Illuminati and Jesuits murdered over six million Jews.
            Then calculate the Crusaders who rounded up Jews and Christians for centuries and beheaded, impaled, and burnt them at the stake.
            Then the Catholics kicked out Jews from 150 countries for centuries.
            The Jesuits took over the new role of Crusaders. Read more history and see who is “funding ” the islamic groups and tge Jesuit colleges in anti-Semitism. I have researched all religions for years, since 1980, read Britannica, all, Romans are tops in murders, or funding groups to murder all those who oppose the pope and doctrine. cont.

          • aka Glory

            Andrew: The white horse is Pope Francis, the antichrist: in Daniel no desire for a woman= pope. Muslims have min. 4 wives, some as young as 7 years old on average, sic.
            Antichrist is supposed to have an IMAGE SET UP, for all to bow and worship to or your zapped. Muslims hate statues, the tear down statues, the would never set up an IMAGE to bow and worship. They like to kiss little black shiva stones in the womb of the woman Ushtar inside the Hindu lingam kaaba at Mecca. No statues.
            On the other hand, Catholics Love STATUES & IMAGES. They have already got huge, 45 feet tall in France,more in Poland, So. America and of course the jackpot of IMAGES: VATICAN.
            I have copies of Catholic kid workbooks where the deliberately DELETED COMMANDMENT NO. 2 in Ex. 20&Deut.5. No STATUES, no bowing or making them is REMOVED also on current Catholic websites today for 10 commandments. They even lie on website. They stretch out no. 10 and made it into two parts to cover up the lie. Slicko Romans.
            The black horse is the False prophet: JESUIT Superior General Adolfo Nicolas. See extreme oath.
            Plus the Catholics were the ones who did the slave trading for money shipping them to USA.

          • Andrew

            Hi akaGLORY – I understand that the Romans caused a lot of deaths for Christians and Jews. In fact Rome is one of the heads on the 7 headed beast. However read Daniel 9 very carefully when it says ‘the people of the prince to come shall destroy the temple’ – note that no-one argues that Roman soldiers destroyed the temple. However there is a significant amount of documentation that proves that out of the four battalions that attacked Jerusalem most of the soldiers were Arab (from Syria and Egypt). In fact Titus the General complains that the Arab soldiers give Rome a bad name with there bloodthirsty attacks. The burning down of the temple was not sanctioned by him and was probably started by Arab soldiers. By the time he could do anything the temple had been destroyed. Arabs are the people of the prince to come (that is Mohammad and Islam)…. I think anyway.

          • Andrew

            To akaGlory ….
            1) Desire of women: you have to ask yourself is it the desire of man for the woman, or the desire of women (for a loving husband or to give birth to Jesus). Some say that Israeli women desired to give birth to Jesus the Messiah. I believe that it refers to the desire of women for good things and a loving husband. Under islamic law they are not given either. They are shared with multiple wives, beaten for not obeying their husbands, their word is worth very little under Islamic law, not allowed to drive and they are considered second class citizens.
            2) be careful about the imagery in Revelation – it may not be what you think, remember they are parable and many wise people have misunderstood them. Do you really think it is a talking statue? I personally am not 100% sure. I suspect it may refer to the image of Islam portrayed by its soldiers however I still haven’t nailed it down yet.

          • aka Glory

            Andrew: Here is Herod killing children, all but jesus.: Romans killing Jewish babies and children.
            Mat 2:12 And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.
            Mat 2:13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
            Mat 2:14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
            Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
            Mat 2:16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.
            Mat 2:17 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying,
            Mat 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.
            Mat 2:19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
            Mat 2:20 Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child’s life.
            Mat 2:21 And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel.

          • aka Glory

            Andrew: PART ONE: You have to look at the FINANCIAL POWER and ORGANIZED POWER, together they RULE the World. I have insight to both from years ago, I cannot tell all here on this site. I know of a lot of inside true evil by the Catholic church, (i hate to call them a church, they don’t even deserve that title). Everyone one of my Catholic girlfriends got abortions, all of them, instead of using birth control pills, which would have been better than killing life, even though abstinence till marriage is the right thing. None of them were able to get pregnant after that. The kids and young nuns molested by priests. Homosexuality, human slave sales and child trafficking are rampant in the Catholic kids and grown adults, i mean rampant in the CAtholic church. Due to many, many children, both male and female being molested in the back rooms of the Catholic churches, basements, schools, Convents and orphanages. [This is in violation to their own CARDINAL Canon laws 1058-1098, not to say they are in GROSS VIOLATION TO THE WORD OF GOD also; 1 Tim. 4, plus more]. They never practice what they preach.
            Rome has had temples with priests, Vestal Virgins, open public bathing, child slavery, polygamy, homosexual marriages to both, bisexual marriages, and live baby and child sacrifices to keep the ‘gods’ happy, since way before Christ. Now they just call them CONVENTS. I never converted to Catholicism, just lived in the family for over 22 years. I was 4 generation Baptist, married Catholic, got into the occult for a few years, met psychics, Church of Scientology lies and garbage, Unity New thought, and then gloriously got saved half way thru the marriage. Baptized in Holy Ghost and in Jesus Name. My husband could not figure out what happened to me. It went from bad to worse at that point.
            –> ON wikipedia, Go to HOLY SEE, then to : Roman Curia, then see the BIG TEN HORNS OF REVELATIONS: Secretariats and Cardinals that rule the WORLD TODAY (except China), CALLED THE NWO, THE NEW WORLD ORDER, already stamped on our money since 1700’s. See the maps of the PROPERTY THAT THE VATICAN OWNS. The have been taking over the world since before Christ. There are exactly 10 that rule the WORLD right now. The VATICAN / ROME/ little BABYLON/ is the WHORE OF REVELATIONS 12. They set up “saratraps”, now called governors and Cardinals over provinces. Each ‘POWER KING/EMPEROR/, would set up a CITY-STATE that would rule his province, Tarjan the Great was the LAST GREAT EMPEROR OF ROMAN EMPIRE. They had their own flag, own constitution and laws, governing body and legislature. Way before Christ. They bought out deals with countries, like South America, Russian, Germany and RULE THE EUROPEAN UNION. Check out the statue behind the podium at EU/ UN…all run by the Catholic Church. The NABATEANS took over the Arabian cultures and structures turning them into Roman Catholic temples to the gods. KILLING by both the ROMANS/ ARABIANS TOGETHER–> THEY BOTH HATE THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS. MY POINT IS THE ENDTIMES are being CONTROLLED BY THE RICH BABYLONIAN GOLD OF THE VATICAN.
            –VATICAN CARDINALS AND JESUITS are feeding money to obtain drug supplies for worldwide distribution into Iran / Iraq for opium across the world used in HEROIN, which is legal in Rome since 1989; into Cuba for CRACK/COCAINE, etc. The Catholics own Casinos and push for lotteries worldwide, telling us the tax dollars will help schools and jobs. Ya right. All casinos and lotteries do, is keep people from paying TITHES to help churches that help the alcoholics, drug addicts, and gamblers to support their lack of money to pay rent and food for kids. Viscious cycle all generated by Catholics little innocent festivals at churches that start the kids on alcohol, gambling, bingo, prostitution…so innocent the beginning..i had to live with the END RESULTS. The MAFIA, which is part of the Illuminati/ JEsuits, old Crusaders/ Free Masons/ Shriners/ Malta/ Templers/ Skull and Cross bones… all world wide Catholic based killing organizations for centuries and now in POWER ACROSS THE WORLD, .the USA is the LAST COUNTRY TO BE CONQUERED for their territory. [ Muhammad came from the neighboring QURAYSH TRIBES, originally of Vedic/ Hindu origins and set up the current Islamic Qu’ran religion from the old HINDUISM stuff, in 629AD]. see previous posts
            continued…

          • aka Glory

            PART TWO…–Now research the key words “CITY-STATES” that rule the world: THERE ARE ONLY THREE ‘CITY-STATES’ LEFT THAT ‘RULE THE WORLD’. [The Arabian countries, the LEVANT, Europe, USA, England, all the countries and continents in the WORLD ARE ‘UNDER’ the ONLY THREE remaining CITY-STATES RIGHT NOW. except China.]

            –The LAST three CITY-STATES LEFT THAT HAVE FULL POWER AND FINANCIAL RULE OVER THE ENTIRE WORLD (INCLUDING IRAQ/ IRAN, see map) OWNED BY CATHOLICS ALSO ARE: ARE: #1 WASHINGTON DC, #2 CITY OF LONDON, #3 THE VATICAN. Guess who is the MOTHER OF ALL THREE??? Yep, the Vatican. Each city-state has its own flag, own constitution (where the JESUIT OATH TO KILL CHRISTIANS AND JEWS are filed), own governor’s, own Cardinal, etc. The USA has no control over WASHINGTON DC, it is run by the VATICAN. The design, layout, system of checks and balances all match the OLD OLD ROMAN RULE OF THE EMPIRES BEFORE CHRIST…and matching Vedic Hinduism lingams. Even our money–>>[The disc around the eagle/scarab and above eagle/scarab head is VISHNU/ CHAKRA DISC for destruction, part of SHIVA. the 13 arrows in the claw were used for DIVINATION by the Shiva gods at the altars]. Mascot of C.E.R.N. It has nothing to do with our colonies…it is all SHIVA/ VISHNU/ HINDU INFLUENCE FROM JESUITS.

            See the design of each city-state, they all have the MATCHING HINDU SEX FERTILITY LINGAM OF THE COLUMN AND ROUND OVUM CAPITAL BUILDINGS WITHIN A FEW 100 FEET. [All Hindu lingam City-STate designs]. Now put them close together in a row…what do you see??? THE ‘THREE HORNS’ OF REVELATIONS!!! PERFECT MATCH. The SEX ‘COLUMN’ MAKES THE ‘HORN’…I believe, my belief is England could be the small HORN, Prince William, see his family crest with all the REvelation figures in the design on google images. clever….very clever

            So when you pay the IRS taxes from your paycheck, it goes to Washington DC; then your money goes to the City of LONDON, where the FEDERAL RESERVE RESIDES, owned by the ROTHSCHILDS(ZIONIST JEWS); then it goes to the VATICAN who OWNS BOTH: WASHINGTON DC and the CITY OF LONDON. Remember, when YOUR money finally drops into the Vatican it is ALL TAX FREE. Very clever. That was in a previous post of how ROME sent the three CARROLL Brothers were sent over here to buy up property in USA, and they bought up the land and created Washington DC and Georgetown, large JESUIT anti-semitic UNIVERSITY, that used to be just a boys town, and they took in young INDIAN BOYS there too.

            –Now notice how everyone has a Social Security number, created by the VATICAN, issued from Washington DC. It has embedded what state and country you were born etc. THAT IS YOUR INTERNATIONAL NUMBER FOR THE BEAST: entered into C.E.R.N., who started the WWWEB– read all that history. When you create a new google account for gmail, the code to complete the account comes directly from WASHINGTON DC, logs directly into the ‘BEAST’ FROM C.E.R.N. Europe / Germany/ Rome/ Vatican/ which are the major contributors to C.E.R.N. This CERN controls all the COSTS FOR ALL WORLDWIDE MEDICAL HEALTHCARE and WWW accounts. C.E.R.N. sets the fees for your USA Medical and all lab procedures such as: MRI, CAT scans, doctor bills, CPT codes, etc. (I used to do medical billing). If you look up CERN as if you were applying for a job with them, you can find out lots of interesting facts and what they actually do over there. I went into every site and it was amazing. The scientists at CERN are the TRUE CONTROLLERS OF HEALTHCARE INSURANCE SYSTEMS, not Obama. He is just a ‘pawn’ being used by the JESUITS, who OWN CERN/ WWW. Obama has to answer to the JESUIT SUPERIOR GENERAL ADOLFO NICOLAS before he does anything. There are 114+ JESUITS governmental officials in USA, both rep/dem.
            –That is another reason they needed the Syrian immigrants to be put into fenced “CAMPS” when they entered the countries and were being numbered, printed in ink on their arms with a ‘GOVERNMENT NUMBER’. Why do you think TRUMP, who graduated from JESUIT FORDHAM UNIVERSITY, freaked out a bunch of Mexican immigrants that they were all getting shipped back if they were not a USA CITIZEN,,,that caused illegal immigrant families to run downtown immediately and apply for citizenship quickly…and voila now there were numbered AT CERN, INTO THE BEAST. He put fear in them to get NUMBERED without anyone realizing the trick. Clever, very clever….it was a ‘SCARE TACTIC’ to enforce “NUMBERING” THOSE THAT WERE ILLEGAL AND NOT IN THE MASSIVE WW SYSTEM BEAST. We are getting very very close to THE ENTIRE WORLD BEING NUMBERED IN THE BEAST AT CERN. YOUR SS number was generated from the VATICAN, not Islam. (Muslims are too high on OPIUM to figure out how to rule the world like the Vatican).
            —-continued

          • aka Glory

            TO ANDREW/ET ALL PART THREE: TO BOIL ALL THIS DOWN. THE VATICAN i.e. FUTURE “BEAST” of Revelations, the WHORE of chap. 12, the red Cardinals…Has your SS number in the CERN SYSTEM, to be used whenever the Great Tribulation starts the actual 7 year countdown, (I will not go there as to when, debatable). You have to see what they have been lining up for ‘CENTURIES’ for the BEAST. the Muslims do not have the POWER, the MONEY, the KNOW-HOW, the knowledge, to run a system this intricate to CONTROL THE WORLD. So WHO? would have all that money to help the Muslims to get rid of JEWS, whom they both hate. I am not labeling “Catholics” because many are unaware of the EVIL behind their organization. The Catholic symbology that is from Shiva/Hindu/Vedic lingams. Many are clueless. The VATICAN IS THE ONLY SOLE “HIGHLY ORGANIZED” FINANCIAL POWER IN THE WORLD TODAY TO RUN AN EMPIRE ON ITS OWN WITH HUGE IMAGES ALREADY BUILT. THE POPE HAS BEEN PROMOTING ‘ HIS PEACE COVENANT’ -Antichrist IN BOOK OF DANIEL), that is how he will USHER IN THE GREAT TRIBULATION. I know who is BEHIND ALL THIS AND CANNOT SAY publicly. It is growing right before your eyes and people are CLUELESS….more and more financial power is being gained by the Vatican, Via the JESUIT CARDINALS, via “a system” soooo unnoticed. Right before your eyes….

            –The antichrist WILL start with HIS ‘OWN PEACE COVENANT’. The ROMAN EMPERORS HAVE HAD PRACTICE AT THIS FOR CENTURIES. They even have an altar in Rome, THE PAX ROMANA. The POPE started in 2014, pulling it together for the finale, with Joel Osteen at his right hand, Islamic and Zionist leaders. The MUSLIMS keep declaring WAR AND KILLING JEWS AND CHRISTIANS, the POPE IS PUSHING HIS ‘PEACE COVENANT’…the ANTICHRIST has a PEACE COVENANT and no desire for women…I will take it literally. It lines up with their other doctrine from devils in 1 Tim. 4. Very shortly the POPE FRANCIS IS GOING TO INTRODUCE HIS GREAT ‘PAX ROMANA’ TO THE WORLD. He already calls himself JESUS CHRIST and so do his priests, the MUSLIMS don’t do that. Remember the ANTI-CHRIST IS SUPPOSED TO POSE AS THE ‘FALSE CHRIST’, not a Muslim. The world will believe HE IS JESUS RE-INCARNATED. The LATIN interpretation of “IHS” stands for I am the saviour. Turn it upside down it stands for SHI-SHIVA. CHAOS AND DESTRUCTION IS THEIR THEME: SHIVA and then the Freemasons are supposed to make a NEW WORLD out of the CHAOS. it all fits like a glove. DESTROY THE EARTH AND BELIEVERS IN JESUS AND JEWS….the the VATICAN will step in to RESTORE AND BRING ORDER OUT OF THE CHAOS….IT IS A PLAN. of the POPE

            –The POPE already set up the FIRST ‘UNIVERSAL’ CHURCH BEGAN LAST YEAR IN BRAZIL, home continent of the POPE. All religions can be practiced in ONE BIG BUILDING THERE. So, the Jesuits, who also CREATED and fund the: FreeMasons, Illuminati, Shriners, Templars, Rosencrantz, Mormons, Jehovah Witness, Unity New Thought, Church of Scientology, Dianetics -with Ron Hubbard, Psychics, etc. are ‘sitting quietly in the background, slurring and growling and waiting for the chance to rise to the call of their FATHER and SATANIC LORD: the Antichrist and False Prophet; Pope Francis and Superior General Adolfo Nicolas. The Positions are all being set into place for the LAST MOVE OF THE KING. This is like the game of RISK….see the green power countries on the Roman Curia and worldwide Roman ownership.

            –How many Catholic churches are on every corner in the World as opposed to how many mosques??? SEE what i mean. They have been planning the WORLDWIDE TAKEOVER FOR THE ENDTIMES FOR CENTURIES right under our noses. The LORD revealed massive amounts of info this year to me and I feel in the Spirit that as we draw closer to the RAPTURE ( I am an early bird and plan to get out when the going gets bad). The LORD is planning ONE MORE BIG HUGE GIGANTIC REVIVAL FOR THE REAL CHURCH OF GOD AND WE ARE GOING WITH MILLIONS OF LAST MINUTE CONVERTS TO JESUS CHRIST AND WILL GO OUT WITH A SHOUT AND BE GONE IN THE ‘TWINKLING OF THE EYE’, at the LAST TRUMPET BLOWN on the day of Trumpets where they blow over 100 blasts in ONE DAY, on the LAST TRUMP, THE LAST BLOW we are going to be RAPTURED. The Holy Ghost will be taken off the earth completely and there will be no more church, God, ministers, altar calls, help for rent or food, none will be left. ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE. LOOTING, LYNCHING, RAPING, MURDER. But the Vatican and the Muslims will be LEFT IN CHARGE TO DO ALL THE DIRTY WORK OF THE END OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION. Then the MUSLIMS will be in trouble too….because…
            –Your SS number will be placed on your head or hand for buying and selling numbered from the BEAST AT CERN from birth. It is all ready to go and it will be quickly made and enforced as a law, because the BEAST, Antichrist and False Prophet will have just a very short time in conjunction with Satan and powerful ‘PRINCES’ OF EVIL RESERVED IN HELL WILL BE RELEASED FOR TORTURE AND MURDER WORLDWIDE. The POPE has HIS IMAGES ALREADY BEING PUT UP FOR WORSHIP. Muslims do NOT HAVE ANY IMAGES…Muslims do NOT believe in statues to bow to. They only bow to the little black shiva stones inside the kaaba in Mecca to some. And Muslims have lots of ‘little wives’ and randomly rape women on the street. The Syrian immigrants are roaming the streets of Germany etc. and raping women and children. Read Geoffrey posts on sales of mace, etc. Islamic radical Muslims are women crazed dope heads and NO peace covenant and no Jesus.

          • aka Glory

            END FOR MON. DEC. 28: TO ANDREW:
            FYI…TO THINK ABOUT: If I was the ANTICHRIST planing to rule the world, like in old Babylon, and needed to know who was a JEW OR CHRISTIAN. I needed to know who was a CATHOLIC, MUSLIM, JEW OR PENTECOSTAL OR METHODIST…now think, where do you put this RELIGION ANSWER without question? You QUICKLY FILL IN THE BLANK…..YOU PUT IN YOUR “RELIGION”…IT IS ON ALL HEALTH INSURANCE FORMS ONLY. We do not put it on drivers license, we do not put it on SS cards, or Credit card apps, no we ONLY PUT IT ON HEALTH CARE PROVIDER FORMS….so NOW THE CERN ENGINEERS DIRECTED BY THE VATICAN….DEMAND WORLDWIDE HEALTHCARE COVERAGE, that we all MUST HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE OR PAY A TAX PENALTY. Health insurance coverage is now on your 1040 form for the VATICAN to review if you have health insurance. NOW DO YOU SEE WHY, EVERYONE MUST HAVE HEALTHCARE INSURANCE, so the VATICAN CAN SEE IF YOU ARE “CATHOLIC” AND WITH THE BEAST AT CERN or NOT….ANYONE OTHER THAN CATHOLIC will be in major trouble, because you have not been weaned since the bottle to make and bow down to images. You have not been lied to for all your life and you will refuse to BOW TO THE IMAGE OF THE POPE. The MUSLIMS will be included on this massive bow or die order also. THE VATICAN WILL RULE THE WORLD WITH AN IRON FIST FOR JUST 1-7 YEARS, depending on when HE TAKES OVER AS THE ANTI-CHRIST with his buddy the FALSE PROPHET: NICOLAS. Your healthcare records, forms all linked to your Vatican SS number off tax records. all linked. to CERN. It is NOT just a magnetic hadron proton collider, that is only part of the BEAST. SEE who created the BEAST. that is on the other tabs on website.
            –The red horse is Muslim, blood
            –the pale horse is death, from drugs, murder, suicide, etc.
            Notice how the MUSLIM women all dress in the SAME BLACK OUTFITS from head to toe as the Catholic nuns. They both match to cover up the beatings, the torture, the pregnant women. Total coverup. Both religions the same. Notice the NUNS are in total subjection to the men. The nuns, as Muslims women are not allowed to leave their homes, unless another is present. Both hate Fundamentalist Christians and Jews.

          • Andrew

            AKa Glory:
            1) Catholic Church: your interpretation is based on a lot on personal experience and conspiracy theory. While I do believe there are conspiracy theories, and I certainly am open that the RCC may represent the false prophet I am not as sure as yourself. There is too much evidence that points to Islam as I have pointed out. Note that the Islamic empire killed 300,000,000 people during its reign from 661AD to 1921AD (1923 AD – when caliphate ended). That is a lot of people – and many where Christians and Jews. Right at the end of that they exterminated 1.5 million Armenian Christians in Turkey.
            2) The terrifying fourth beast from Daniel completely broke, crush and shattered the territories that it controlled. It was different to all the others. Babylon, Persia and Greece and Rome did not completely destroy both the culture and the religion of the territories it took over. The Islamic empire however completely decimated the religion, the culture, the religious icons present there. This is why ISIS burns down Churches and gets rid of art.
            3) Mystery Babylon: to me the description of Mystery Babylon in Revelation 17 and 18 perfectly describes a rich nation that does a lot of trade. In Revelation I believe Mystery Babylon is pictured as being destroyed prior to the tribulation and rapture/resurrection. You have said that both Mystery Babylon and the ten kings are catholic. Rev 17/18 picture the ten kings as hating Mystery Babylon (they are separate entities). This to me perfectly pictures the world’s (and particularly Islam’s) hate for America the richest nation on earth. If the vatican was destroyed China and America would still continue to trade and the merchants on the sea couldn’t care less.

      • What end time prophecy can’t be fulfilled until the church is out of here? Not church world, Rev. 17, 18, but church bride. Rev. 10, 11, 19

        • Why do you label yourself as an Apostle?

          • I Don’t, the Holy Spirits does, have since a Christ of Resurrection, appeared to me thirty years ago, next spring, 1986. Soon arrived me in heaven, 1993, and passed me off to the prophet Ezekiel, he open three time tested doors to me, most of what I saw, was a light like the sunshine in all it’s strength, preparing the end time laborers. That’s taking out their old hearts, making them new, washing them and cleaning them too, anointing them and marking their forwards, instructing them to be acquainted with His Grieves and Sorrows. That after thirty years of this, it’s a long story to go into, Angels ascending and descending as will upon me. I wondered for a while why the prophet Ezekiel, with the Angel Gabriel 2004 as well appearing? Well, now I know, what the Prophet Ezekiel was to the Prophet Jeremiah, is what the Bride at present is to end time prophecy, thus Gabriel explaining, we, us, as the Bride/Generation of fulfillment, right up to, the Seventh Angel.
            I know, before the first male pastor told me I as a woman couldn’t be in his pulpit, Holy Spirit had arrived me in God’s throne, and like three months later, would described me first Christ’s disciple, then as an Apostle. I started doing like this Moses denial, I just couldn’t accept it, Apostles I said, they’re dead and gone, and for a long time, then he showed me, Ephs. 4th chapter, settling that. Though, you know what’s even more miraculous, the entire Heavenly Host treat me like I’m a Jesus Christ, Apostle, hence, Holy Spirits told me back then, if I didn’t accept this calling on my life. Well, they couldn’t use me, so I guess you can say I slowly repented in, and I mean slowly, grandually. Just imagine this is Judah of Ezekiel’s day, America, western civilization just as failed, and God after so many years of forewarning, is now bringing His Judgment upon them, what can I say, God is the same, always, now how is your faith? AWAKE! Apb, see here, http://www.intrepiddream2001.blogspot.com

        • nannette

          You are not an Apostle, Bradford! Did you see Jesus while He walked on earth or after His resurrection? Were you one of the 500 in 1 Corinthians 15:1-7? I think not. Do not listen to this imposter!

          • I Don’t, the Holy Spirits does, have since a Christ of Resurrection, appeared to me thirty years ago, next spring, 1986. Soon arrived me in heaven, 1993, and passed me off to the prophet Ezekiel, he open three time tested doors to me, most of what I saw, was a light like the sunshine in all it’s strength, preparing the end time laborers. That’s taking out their old hearts, making them new, washing them and cleaning them too, anointing them and marking their forwards, instructing them to be acquainted with His Grieves and Sorrows. That after thirty years of this, it’s a long story to go into, Angels ascending and descending as will upon me. I wondered for a while why the prophet Ezekiel, with the Angel Gabriel 2004 as well appearing? Well, now I know, what the Prophet Ezekiel was to the Prophet Jeremiah, is what the Bride at present is to end time prophecy, thus Gabriel explaining, we, us, as the Bride/Generation of fulfillment, right up to, the Seventh Angel.
            I know, before the first male pastor told me I as a woman couldn’t be in his pulpit, Holy Spirit had arrived me in God’s throne, and like three months later, would describe me first Christ’s disciple, then as an Apostle. I started doing like this Moses/to Michael backsliding, I just couldn’t accept it, “Apostle, I said, they’re dead and gone, and for a long time,” then he showed me, Ephs. 4th chapter, completely settling that. Though, you know what’s even more miraculous, the entire Heavenly Host treat me like I’m a Jesus Christ, Apostle, hence, Holy Spirits told me back then, if I didn’t accept this calling on my life. Well, they couldn’t use me, so I guess you can say I slowly repented in, and I mean slowly, gradually. Just imagine this is Judah of Ezekiel’s day, America, western civilization just as failed, and God after so many years, is now bringing His Judgment upon them, what can I say, God is the same, always, how is your faith? AWAKE! Apb, see here, http://www.intrepiddream2001.blogspot.com

      • I can’t believe he said you could take the mark….That is deadly heresy.

        • Heather

          I agree Sola Scriptura, he didn’t see Jimmy’s great question coming at him!

      • Jewish Voice

        Where is the third temple that the antichrist is suppose to defile, starting 42 months of Great Tribulation (Daniel 9:27)?

      • Andrew

        Dear Geoffrey believing in a post-trib or mid-trib rapture is not necessarily a doctrine that will lead you to hell. The other person I know whose view changed on the subject after being in prison is Jim Bakker . Personally I believe in a post-trib, pre-wrath rapture (I used to believe in the pre-trib rapture). There are multiple reasons for this. However one of the strongest ones is based on the timing of the resurrection of the righteous dead. We know from multiple bible verses that the rapture occurs straight after the resurrection of the righteous dead (1 Thes 4:16 – ….and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that we who are still alive and are left will be caught up…). However Revelation 20:4 tells us those who are part of the first resurrection went through tribulation….(And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus… They had not worshipped the beast or its image….this is the FIRST resurrection).
        How can the FIRST RESURRECTION have had those who had been through the tribulation if the first resurrection occurred just prior to a pre-trib rapture……. ?

    • Slade

      Can someone please tell me if the parable of the 10 virgins have anything to do with the pretrib or post trib rapture

      • The parable of the 10 virgins is post-trib:

        The body of Christ is the BRIDE of Christ (Ephesians 5:32 KJV)
        The body of Christ is a chaste VIRGIN not virgins (2 Corinthians 11 KJV)
        The body of Christ is NEVER told or referenced to maintain “their oil”. That is written to those who have to endure to the end to be saved!

        • Well I really feel sorry, the BRIDE was raptured seven years prior, learn the parable of the resurrection of the Righteous Dead to the Marriage Supper, the Spirit and Bride saith come. AWAKE!

          • nannette

            imposter!

          • aka Glory

            Jimmy and Nannette both don’t have the understanding that Apostle Bradford has. The virgins with the oil are those who obeyed the Book of Acts and are baptized and filled with the HOly Ghost with the evidence of speaking in unknown tongues: Homework assignment: Book of Acts chap. 1-22. watch this week and next week http://www.cfcky.com, the CHURCH OF INDEPENDENCE KY. live video from sun. 11 am and 6pm for the next 72 hours every week EST. God bless….you need some “oil” in your lamp, Jimmy. You need to study Jewish weddings also on Jewish websites. Mikveh, included. Jimmy and Nannette read the book of Acts five times this week, be ye filled and baptized in the Holy Ghost and in the water in Jesus Name and then you will understand the parables and the rest of the Book. You both need to do some homework this week and next week. Apostles are given for today, and teachers and Luk_11:49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute: 1Co_12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
            They will all cease the day of the Rapture when the PERFECT comes.. There will be no more oil, no more lamps, no more church, no more Holy Ghost, no more anything but pure evil and the absence of LOVE will exist during the Great Tribulation.

          • If you are one of the 10 Virgins – guests at the Wedding – then you are NOT part of the Bride of Christ. You cannot be a guest and the Bride, think about that.

          • Heather

            Geoffrey, the following link is of Bryan Denlinger. He made this video a few days ago and in it he made a few comments on this very interview you had with Kent Hovind. All post tribbers need to watch this video.

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zNQ501m9No4

          • aka Glory

            We are the VIRGIN BRIDE OF CHRIST, when you become BORN AGAIN, in the water and the spirit of John 3:3-8. That is a parable about the Bride of Christ being ready and watching. You all need to study up on Jewish Weddings on a jewish site. That is most certainly about the Bride of Christ and getting ready for her KING to return and steal her away. When you fullfill Acts 2:38, your lamp is full of oil and the lite is lit and you are ready and watching, because you know you will get out of here before the Great Tribulation and wrath begins with all of its evil. You will be here when the day of the LORD, the PERFECT COMES and steals us away. You will have more understanding when you are baptized with the HOLY GHOST/ HOLY SPIRIT your knowledge will increase. Book of Esther is another analogy to GETTING READY FOR THE COMING OF THE KING. The Bride of Christ. Jews are engaged for a year before the WEDDING day and when you are betrothed, you are as good as married. that is why Joseph was going to seek a bill of divorce from Mary when she got pregnant, because they were betrothed to be married and she got pregnant in the middle of their engagement.

          • Fulfill Acts 2:38? If you are trusting in your BAPTISM to save you, then that is not salvation in the Age of Grace. Paul is our apostle, not Peter. Ephesians 2:8,9 and Acts 16:30,31 is how you get saved in our dispensation.

          • aka Glory

            Peter is our apostle in chap. 10
            Paul is our apostle in chap. 19 and 22
            and the rest of the new testament.
            You are missing it, re-read Acts 16. Peter turned to the Gentiles in chapt. 10-11 and gave them the same message as the day of Pentecost. Paul came to the Gentile believers and gave them the same message in chap. 19 and 22:16. IT is right there plain as day what to do for Jew, and Gentile for salvation. Read the Book of Acts five times chap. 1-22 and you will see it. Later, that is the only Plan of salvation of grace given to us. in the book of Acts. then you go to Romans after you are saved by the water and the spirit. i hope you all get this before the RAPTURE, i really hope so……you need Acts 2:38 to get off this planet in the Rapture. anything short of that and you will be left behind…..You are skipping over scriptures. 2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
            STOP SKIPPING OVER PASSAGES….USE THEM ALL……you cannot cheat to get into heaven….watch http://www.cfcky.com video go watch both videos, every week until you get it. If ACTS 2:38 were not for today, if that was NOT FOR TODAY, then how come I can make it happen and see it happen every week, how come? it is still happening in our church, in my living room, on the street. i am praying people thru to the acts 2:38 baptism all the time…..it is for today… you need it.

          • Edwitness

            Aka GLORY,
            Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles. Jesus Himself called him for that specifically. Gal.1:15-2:8.
            “But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb, and called me by His grace,
            To reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood…And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach mong the Gentiles…But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircucision was committed unto me, AS THE GOSPEL OF THE CIRCUMCISION WAS UNTO PETER. (For He that wrought effectually in Peter to the APOSTLESHIP OF THE UNCIRCUMCISION, the same was mighty in me TOWARD THE GENTILES.”
            See, Peter was an apostle to the Jews. Not the Gentiles. Jesus never told Peter to preach to the Gentiles. He only showed him that the gospel was for the Gentiles as well as the Jews.
            And Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles.
            Blessings:-}

          • aka GLORY

            NO that is not correct, Peter was told to preach to Gentiles by Jesus:
            Read: Act 10:1 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band, Act 10:2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway. Act 10:3 He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.
            Act 10:4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God. Act 10:5 And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter: Act 10:6 He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.
            Act 10:7 And when the angel which spake unto Cornelius was departed, he called two of his household servants, and a devout soldier of them that waited on him continually;
            the LORD TOLD CORNELIUS, AN ITALIAN ROMAN GENTILE, TO GO GET PETER.

            PETER WENT TO THE GENTILES, AND THE HOLY GHOST WITH SPEAKING IN UNKNOWN TONGUES HAPPENED, WHEN THE SPIRIT FELL AND PETER COMMANDED THEM TO GET BAPTIZED IN THE WATER IN JESUS NAME FOR SALVATION UNTO GRACE….HE COMMANDED THEM TO GET BAPTIZED IN THE WATER IN JESUS NAME. THAT PLAN OF SALVATION HAS NOT CHANGED FOR TODAY….IT IS THE ONLY PLAN…OF SALVATION:
            Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
            Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
            Act 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
            Act 10:16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
            Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon’s house, and stood before the gate,
            Act 10:18 And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.
            Act 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
            Act 10:20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.
            Act 10:21 Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?
            Act 10:22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.
            Act 10:23 Then called he them in, and lodged them. And on the morrow Peter went away with them, and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him.
            Act 10:24 And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and had called together his kinsmen and near friends.
            Act 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
            Act 10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
            Act 10:27 And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.
            Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
            Act 10:29 Therefore came I unto you without gainsaying, as soon as I was sent for: I ask therefore for what intent ye have sent for me?
            Act 10:30 And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,
            Act 10:31 And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God.
            Act 10:32 Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee.
            Act 10:33 Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.
            Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
            Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
            Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)
            Act 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
            Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

            COMMANDED BY JESUS TO PREACH THE GOSPEL OF GRACE, SAME AS TODAY….GOD DOES NOT CHANGE….HE IS THE SAME YESTERDAY AND TODAY AND FOREVER…PETER TO GENTILES:
            Act 10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
            Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
            Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
            Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the GENTILES …… also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
            Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues,–> THAT IS UNKNOWN TONGUES, I KNOW BECAUSE IT HAPPENED TO ME…. and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
            Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
            Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
            PETER COMMANDED THE GENTILES TO BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD. THE CHURCH HAS NOT DIED AND GOD IS NOT DEAD AND HIS WORD IS A LIVING WORD FOR TODAY. WE CANNOT CHAINSAW THE BIBLE IN THE MIDDLE OF ACTS AND THROW OUT WHAT WAS PREACHED TO THE JEWS…OT. GOSPELS AND ALL ACTS TO CHAPT. 9….ALL THAT WAS TO THE JEWS….EVERY WORD IS PROFITABLE FOR CORRECTION AND INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS. Ask the LORD if I am telling the truth, let God be true and man be a liar….he will tell you that i am speaking the truth. Acts 2:38 is for Jews and Gentiles and Paul preached the same message above to believers in Acts 19:1-6; and 22:16….exact same 3 steps to salvation …..and grace
            ASK HIM ,,,,,I DARE YOU….YOU WILL BE SURPRISED…..ACTS 2: 38 IS FOR TODAY….A MUST.

          • aka Glory

            How come i see Acts 2:38 fulfilled every week today, happening today. IF it was not for today, then how come i can pray with someone every week and they are baptised and filled with the baptism of the HOLY GHOST with speaking in unknown tongues? HOW COME it is working today in our dispensation of Grace. IT depends on how much of God, the living spirit of God you want down inside your heart. How come when i repented of my sins and asked JESUS to come into my heart, within in minutes i felt a quickening in my spirit as he entered my flesh and out of my mouth came a foreign language i never learned before? how come? how come?? Peter and PAUL said the exact same thing and peter said it first. How come my six year old son repented and spoke in unknown tongues for over two hours straight?…..no english for two hours and was crying and weeping in the holy ghost as he too received the same baptism i got years before that.

          • aka Glory

            PETER TO THE GENTILES, KJV: READ IT– we are the uncircumcised, the gentiles, and they were all washed in water as PETER COMMANDED THEM TO DO.
            Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
            Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
            Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
            Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
            Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
            Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

          • aka Glory

            WHAT DID PAUL SAY TO DO??? WHAT READ IT….HAVE YOU DONE IT SINCE YOU BELIEVED, I OBEYED THE WILL OF GOD AS WRITTEN, THE BOOK OF ACTS IS TO BE DONE FIRST….if all the apostles did it, then i am doing it and we were COMMANDED TO DO IT, and it works for me all the time; I don’t have a problem with what the bible tells us to do. IT IS THE WRITTEN WILL OF GOD.
            Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism. Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
            Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. Act 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. IT WORKS I TRIED IT AND IT WORKS. GOD DOES NOT LIE OR CHANGE…HE IS THE SAME YESTERDAY TODAY AND FOREVER AND HIS PLAN

          • aka Glory

            If you have a better plan than what GOD GAVE US IN HIS WORD, I would never trust in YOUR PLAN. i am going by the plan given to us. it works i did it , it works…..saved by grace in the book of acts…you need reconciliation for your sins, you have no grace with the book of acts. none…..that is your own plan

          • aka Glory

            Really Geoffrey, God does not LIE: and what did he say?? HIS PLAN IS THE BEST AND ONLY PLAN. JOHN 14;6..Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
            Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
            Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
            Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
            GO AHEAD AND SKIP OVER THIS PLAN OF SALVATION AND YOU WILL SEE, BYE I AM OUTTA OF HERE. I DID IT., I OBEYED IT, I AM NOT JUST A HEARER AND BREEZING AROUND THE CORNERSTONE, I BUILT ON IT AND DID IT . READ JAMES CHAPT. 3. YOu are NOT A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN UNTIL YOU DO ACTS 2:38. and the LORD says we are SAVED…HE SAID it , i believe it . You cannot take that away…..

          • aka Glory

            Now watch John Paul Jackson on “the condition of your soil”. There is nothing wrong with the word of God, you can read it, but faith is When You Apply It. Faith is taking the risk and applying to your life and believing it will work. Heb. 11:1. You cannot see what faith will do, you just believe it will work. TRUSTING IN GOD. HAVING FAITH IN THE WORD, and he did wash away my sins in the water, by only His Name Jesus Christ. I could not see it, but if he said he would do it, then he did it, if we follow what HE says to do, it will work. That is faith applied. He said if I repent, I would receive the gift (baptism) of the HOLY GHOST with evidence of speaking in unknown tongues. I did and it worked. That is faith applied. Work on that soil and dig it up, keep up with the homework. I am waiting to see who gets the baptism if the HOLY GHOST with evidence of speaking in unknown tongues first, you or Jimmy. Go to: http://www.cfcky.com watch videos of speaking in unknown tongues.

          • Show us ONE place in Paul’s writings where he commands BAPTISM as part of salvation….just one, please.

          • Edwitness

            Aka Glory,
            You do know that tongues are not given to everyone, right? They are either for self edification(1stCor.14:4) or for a sign “to them that believe not”(vs.22) because they are known by the hearers, or for being interpreted(vs.12,13).

            1stCor.12, mainly vs.10,28,30. The gifts are distributed by the Spirit, “dividing severally as He wills”.Vs.11. So the need for tongues as a sign that someone is filled with the Spirit is not what Paul intended for us to believe.
            Whether you are the foot or the ear you have the Spirit dwelling in you and with you. Vs.12-14.
            “If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing?…” Vs.17. You could just as truthfully say, ‘If the whole body were tongues, where were the helps’? Because Paul emphasized that not every one speaks in tongues.1stCor.12:29-31.
            So you see Paul is saying that as one body we each have different functions. When Paul asks the question “Do all speak with tongues?” The rhetorical answer is no. Vs.27-30.
            “But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet show I unto you a more excellent way”. Vs.31.
            There is a more excellent way than tongues etc. That’s what we should be encouraging. Not those things that will pass away.
            Blessings:-}

          • aka GLORY

            Sorry, but you are incorrect. Without the baptism of the HOLY GHOST you don’t have understanding. You have skipped over the Book of Acts where it all starts in the upper room. the GIFT OF TONGUES is not the same thing as the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST. I have been baptized in the Holy Ghost since 1986 and spoke in Unknown tongues the minute He filled me with his spirit. BUT I DO NOT HAVE THE GIFT OF TONGUES, i speak in unknown tongues every day and i obeyed Acts 2:38, just like Mary and all the Apostles and what Peter and Paul told us to do. You cannot SKIP OVER THE BOOK OF ACTS, you cannot LEAP OVER THE plan of salvation for the CHURCH. The Gift of tongues is only for a message to the church. You can hear it when it happens and the entire congregation gets quiet. I have never been used for that. It will have an interpretation to go with the Gift of Tongues.
            Everyone who truly repents and accepts Jesus into his heart, will immediately be baptized and filled with the Holy Ghost and speak in unknown tongues. God said in HIS WORD, this is for all, your children and afar off. Read it.. IT IS FOR EVERYONE… When you get rid of pride and self, it will happen in minutes. EVERYONE MUST SPEAK IN TONGUES.
            The tongues will cease and prophecy , when the perfect comes, That is when Jesus Christ returns for his holy ghost tongue talking church, and takes us out of here, there will be no more holy ghost churches, they will all be gone, no more God, no more Holy Ghost after the moment the RAPTURE HAPPENS. the kids will be gone and all the people who obeyed the book of Acts. everyone else if they are alive will go thru the HELL of the Great tribulation. so you better hurry up and repent and you too will speak in unknown tongues. I can pray anyone thru in 10 min. if you let God do the work. Sorry, but you are wrong….if you don’t speak in unknown tongues, you are trying to explain something supernatural with a natural mind. it won’t work. and also Acts 2:28 is FAITH APPLIED, taking God at HIS WRITTEN WORD the WILL OF GOD and disobedience is sin. IF YOU DONT DO IT.

          • Edwitness

            Aka GLORY,
            Much of what you said in your reply I already stated. So on those we agree. However, you refuse to concede the obvious fact that the gift of “unknown” and other tongues is not for everyone. Paul said that in 1stCor.12:30. We do not all speak with tongues. Any kind of tongues.
            He gave us an exhaustive teaching on the various tongues and their use in the 14th chapter. Unknown tongues were included. Vs.2 & 4. The Spirit divides the gifts, all of them, as He wills. 1stCor.12:11.
            Acts2:38,39 do not say that tongues are a must for evidence for successfully being baptized in the Holy Ghost. Nowhere in the scripture does it say you “must” speak in tongues for proof of baptism in the Holy Ghost.
            “Then Peter said unto them, repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
            For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call”. The gift is the Holy Ghost Himself. Tongues are not even mentioned.
            Do some people speak in tongues when baptized in the Holy Ghost? Of course. Those who the Spirit wills to.
            Blessings:-}

          • aka Glory

            EdW: go to the UPPER ROOM when the LORD JESUS CHRIST promised ALL OF THEM ‘POWER’, and JESUS told everyone…not leaving anyone out….Act_1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. Act_11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. I will guarantee you and everyone in the planet, if you repent of your self and pride and lay down your self at the foot of the cross and die to your ‘self’ and tell the LORD I AM YOURS, ALL OF ME….within in 10 minutes everyone will be speaking in ‘UNKNOWN TONGUES’ as the LORD promised for all. Jew and Gentile. If you have a bunch of sin, like addictions, it takes a while longer, because you have to cast off some demons. My son was six years old and repented of his sins and spoke in “UNKNOWN TONGUES ” for over two hours, no English and was baptized in JESUS NAME in the water. Everyone in the upper room was baptized and filled with the POWER of the HOLY GHOST and all 120 were speaking in UNKNOWN TONGUES that they had never learned. That is why all the natins in the street were AMAZED, CONFOUNDED, AMAZED because the Galilean JEWS were not speaking Hebrew, their natural born language.

          • aka Glory

            (I don’t know why it is duplicating, i did not push enter twice) i guess the LORD wants everyone to read it twice.
            Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
            Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
            Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
            Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

            it says in the word of God, ….they shall speak with new tongues…..
            there it is….
            plus i have my own testimony of speaking in unknown tongues in 10 min. after repenting of my sins and you will feel a real live ghost enter and quicken your spirit and then your tongue will be kinda weird and then you will not be able to speak English if it is your natural language.
            my son spoke in unknown tongues 2 hours.
            everyone i take to the altar of repentance in my home, street, workplace, in church…..everywhere i go i can pray with them and they will all be speaking in unknown tongues in minutes. always…..with the baptism of the HOLY GHOST.

          • aka Glory

            Everyone in the book of Acts spoke in “other tongues” when they were baptized in the HOLY GHOST. Everyone, Simon the magician was so amazed at this POWER that he tried to PAY MONEY to be able to do this ‘MAGIC’ power that he called it. The apostle explained you can not buy this power, …..
            Act 8:9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
            Act 8:10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.
            Act 8:11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.
            Act 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
            Act 8:13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
            Act 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
            Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
            Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
            Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
            Act 8:18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
            Act 8:19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
            Act 8:20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
            Act 8:21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
            Act 8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
            Act 8:23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
            Act 8:24 Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.
            Act 8:25 And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans.

            The magician, did get baptized in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST…..but he never received the POWER of the HOLY GHOST, because his heart was not right.

          • aka Glory

            Now let us discuss the GIFT OF TONGUES, IN CORINTHIANS, which must always be interpreted. If you watch our church services on http://www.cfcky.com, you will hear the initial baptism of the HOLY GHOST evidence of the speaking in unknown tongues, happens randomly as the the LORD moves on us, in HIS SPIRIT. that is the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST AS IN ACTS UPPER ROOM.
            The GIFT OF TONGUES and it must follow with the GIFT OF INTERPRETATION, will come into a church service and everyone can feel in the Spirit when it is going to happen. The church will suddenly become very very quiet and no one will speak out loud in respect to the LORD talking to the church with a message for us. Then the person or pastor will speak extremely LOUD in an unknown language or several unknown languages. one, two or three messages. Then there will always follow an INTERPRETATION. Those two are the GIFTS MENTIONED IN CORINTHIANS and those GIFTS are NOT FOR EVERYONE. You are correct on that point. I myself have spoken in UNKNOWN TONGUES for over 29 years after the initial baptism in the HOLY SPIRIT, HOLY GHOST, same thing and i have never had a message for the CHURCH and NEVER HAD THE GIFT OF TONGUES. IT is two separate ‘tongues’ described in 1 Corin. 14. the difference. I guarantee if you really really repent, and give it ALL to him tonite, you too will be speaking in UNKNOWN TONGUES in minutes….if you don’t have any addictions or other stuff to clear out first. Let me know tomorrow when you get it. It is A SUPERNATURAL LIVING GOD EXPERIENCE and A REAL COVENANT with HIM. You are binding your spirit with his spirit. It will happen for you, your own UPPER ROOM experience. and you will never be able to explain it without it….you cannot explain a SUPERNATURAL Gift of GOD with a NATURAL MIND. I am waiting for Geoffrey to let me know when it happens to him. He has been preaching on here way too long, not to have it… He needs it quick….IT is the most wonderful and PEACE will POUR over you like a flood and it is the neatest, coolest, most exciting thing when it happens to you and as the LORD told PETER it is for you and all your children and GOD CANNOT LIE and i took him at his word and he fullfilled it. JUST GET IT, as JOYCE MEYER says… GET IT>

          • Edwitness

            Aka Glory,
            Your reference to Simon the magician does not mention tongues. That is an assumption.
            When you wrote that the tongues in 1stCorinthians is only refering to those that require interpretation, you are mistaken. The tongues that Paul says is when a man “speaks not unto men, but unto God”, is the gift of tongues that is an ‘unknown’ tongue. It is a prayer language that is only to be spoken in private. It is only between him and God. 1stCor.14:2,14,28. This is the only UNKNOWN tongue described in the Bible. The others are either known to the hearers (Acts2) or become known through an interpreter. 1stCor.14:27.
            Notice that the word ‘unknown’ is in italics in 1stCor.14. This means it is not in the original Greek. Try reading these verses without the italicized word ‘unknown’. The context will give the interpretation of which form of tongues Paul is describing. When Paul says “if there be no interpreter” then you know he is describing the tongue that has no interpretation. The one that “speaks not to men, but unto God”. The ‘unknown’ tongue. Vs.2 & 28.
            The tongues that were spoken at the day of Pentecost were known languages. This is how “every man heard them speak in his own language”. Acts2:6. Therefore this is not an example of UNKNOWN tongues.
            And again, Paul is clear that not all believers speak with tongues. 1stCor.12:27-31. This is a reference to tongues generally. All forms of tongues. The answer to all of the questions Paul asks here is NO.
            No, all are not apostles.
            No,all are not prophets.
            No, all are not teachers.
            No, all do not work miracles.
            No, all do not speak with tongues.
            No, all do not interpret.
            Paul said that just as we know all are not apostles. We also know that all do not speak with tongues.
            The fact that you have been given the gift of tongues does not mean everyone must also when they are baptized with the Holy Ghost.
            BTW. We receive the Holy Ghost when we are born again. Otherwise we wouldn’t be born again.
            Blessings:-}

          • aka GLORY

            SEE above newest posts also first. The Acts 2:1-8 Is an example of UNKNOWN TONGUES, because the 120 in the upper room were Galilean Hebrew Jews that could only speak Hebrew. They SUDDENLY WERE SPEAKING IN A BUNCH OF FOREIGN LANGUAGES never learned before, and the nations in the street knew that. IT was unlearned unknown tongues being spoken fluently, just like i got in 1986…suddenly and fluently an unknown foreign language. Prayed many people thru to that PENTECOSTAL EXPERIENCE. You will not understand it till you get it and it is for you.
            NOW I DID NOT SAY THE FOLLOWING….You quoted me wrong, i gave the scripture that says SOME ARE APOSTLES, SOME ARE PROPHETS, ETC ETC. NOT everyone will be a prophet or teacher etc etc…….this is misquoting me.
            “No, all are not apostles.
            No,all are not prophets.
            No, all are not teachers.
            No, all do not work miracles.”

            THIS IS NOT CORRECT: EVERY BELIEVER IN JESUS CHRIST WILL SPEAK IN UNKNOWN TONGUES WHEN HE REPENTS AND GIVES HIS OR HER ENTIRE HEART TO JESUS. HE/ SHE WILL ALWAYS SPEAK IN AN UNLEARNED, UNKNOWN FOREIGN TONGUE. Jesus promised YOU and to ALL YOUR CHILDREN…..that if you obey Acts 2:38 you will speak in unknown tongues because that only happens when you receive HIS GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST…..see Acts 2:2-4.
            No, all do not speak with tongues.
            NOT ALL RECEIVE THE ‘GIFT OF TONGUES AND INTERPRETATION”…… that is 1 Corinthians.
            No, all do not interpret.

            Do NOT mix up the ‘GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST’ ONLY IN THE BOOK OF ACTS
            with the ‘GIFT OF TONGUES AND INTERPRETATION’ ONLY IN 1 CORINTHIANS MENTIONED
            those are two distinct and different processes in the bible. Dont confuse those

            Paul said that just as we know all are not apostles. Correct.
            We also know that all do not speak with tongues.( ONLY THE ‘GIFT OF TONGUE’) HE is not talking about the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST, THE INITIAL BAPTISM OR FILLING OF THE HOLY GHOST GIVEN TO ALL BELIEVERS IN JESUS CHRIST IN THE BOOK OF ACTS…SEE ACTS CHAP. 1-22:16 ESP. 19:1-6…..since you have believed, have you received???

            The fact that you have been given the gift of tongues– –>>> ( I HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN THE ‘GIFT OF TONGUES’, THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID, YOU ARE IN CORRECT IN QUOTING ME. That is completely different from the baptism of the HOLY GHOST, the infilling of the Holy Ghost, the Gift of the HOLY GHOST. ) I have the gift of discernment and deliverance for the addicted.
            I have laid hands on people and they have been healed, and spoke in new tongues, and i have cast out demons….all prophesied to every believer by Jesus in the four gospels: Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
            Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
            Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
            Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

            ***does not mean everyone must also when they are baptized with the Holy Ghost.
            BTW. We receive the Holy Ghost when we are born again. Otherwise we wouldn’t be born again.
            –>>> THIS ABOVE STATEMENT BY YOU IS INCORRECT:

            You ARE NOT BORN AGAIN, UNTIL YOU DO ACTS 2:1-47. SEE TITUS 3:5-7; You must be baptized and buried in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins, beginning in Jerusalem. Then when you receive the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST, evidenced by the speaking in a unknown foreign language/ tongues immediately. ONLY THEN ARE YOU REALLY ‘BORN AGAIN’. Anything short of that is not truth and you have been lied to. When you receive the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST, YOU WILL DEFINITELY WITHOUT FAIL, SPEAK IMMEDIATELY IN AN UNKNOWN FOREIGN TONGUE / LANGUAGE YOU HAVE NEVER LEARNED. watch http://www.cfcky.com Sunday video and see for yourself….or just come if you can get to INDEPENDENCE KY and you too can pray thru to the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST. You can receive the HOLY GHOST anywhere, couch, bed, driving and when you get it you will know it….it is a supernatural experience only given by GOD….the POPE nor Mother Mary can give it. MOther mary got it in the upper room.

            IT is true for all, see the above given by JESUS CHRIST TO ALL BELIEVERS. He does not lie, he does not change and he PROMISED THIS POWER TO ALL WHO BELIEVE IN HIM….THE PROMISE IS FOR YOU AND TO ALL YOUR CHILDREN IF YOU FOLLOW AND OBEY AND DIE TO YOURSELF AND YOU WILL BE RESURRECTED WITH THE POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST…..you will you will you will….i am not kidding, try it…..it will happen to all who read this website…even to Geoffrey and JIMMY it is for All. ‘
            the Book of Acts doctrine of Grace and truth is for all today, the CHURCH in the book of Acts has never changed, the doctrine has never changed. MEN have changed but God and his word is solid set in a rock and cannot change or be deleted or skipped over or added to or you will be cursed and in rebelliion to the WILL =which is the sin of witchcraft. Throw out tradition and dig into the word of God and read the book of Acts all of it, not just a page or a chapter or one line. READ all AS WRITTEN TO EVERYONE ONE OF US….GET BACK TO THE WORD OF GOD, TRIED IN THE FIRE AND PURIFIED SEVEN TIMES. Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

            NOTE****If anyone on this website, can hear from the LORD, the ONE VOICE of GOD, then ask HIM if i am telling you the truth? YOU ASK HIM if i am telling you the truth. Acts 2:38 is the ONLY PLAN OF SALVATION FROM SIN GIVEN TO ALL THE CHURCHES, after he died on the cross. Without this PLAN and Apostolic Doctrine of Grace given to the church in Jerusalem (SION) first, you will not get off the planet Earth on the day of the RAPTURE. YOU wILL NOT get out of here, you will be LEFT BEHIND. ASK HIM….I have given this message to several churches, who converted back to the book of Acts and congregations were saved. I have been doing this for years getting people back to the written WILL OF GOD AS WRITTEN, back to the UPPER ROOM where it all began. ASK HIM >>>>HE WILL TELL YOU THE TRUTH if you really hear from GOD. and when you pray; say first: LET THAT AND ONLY THAT OF GOD COME THRU……before you pray…HE WILL ANSWER.

          • Edwitness

            The gift of tongues in 1stCor.14:28 does not come with interpretation. That is why Paul instructs that this ‘tongue’ is for speaking to God alone. And that is why there is no interpreter.
            The gift given at Pentecost was for those who could hear them. They recognized their own languages being spoken by Hebrews. A miracle.
            Blessings:-]

          • aka GLORY

            You are not correct. unless you have been in a church service where the speaking in unknown tongues is a common practice, you cannot understand it with a natural mind. the baptism of the HOLY GHOST the upper room experience….is not what is in corinthians….wait until you get it and then you will understand…..you are close….it wont be long…..you are so close and then you will see what i and paul are talking about. Yes it is a miracle what happened on Pentecost, whenever God does a supernatural thing to you it is a miracle. That is what happened to me, my son at age 6 was not talking to anyone but himself, he spoke in an unknown tongue / language for two hours straight, no english…now try that …that is a miracle…..and he got baptized that nite in JESUS NAME… i have the pictures. been doing it for 29 years…i know what i am talking about, i pray on the phone in unknown tongues, i have no clue what i am saying but the LORD is mighty and answers prayers….no idea what i am saying i go really do it a lot too……for a long time…..it is awesome and supernatural and the JOY>…is unexplainable….watch us on the internet tomorrow and you will learn and see. you might even get it tonite, if you ask him…he will….you know, you are so close…Edwitness and then you will be a real witness…..just like me…

          • aka Glory

            How much do I STAND on this truth that everyone on this website can be baptized with the HOLY GHOST and speak in UNKNOWN TONGUES, because I went thru a divorce and custody battle and they spent three hours questioning about the “SPEAKING IN UNKNOWN TONGUES” of which I never did in front of my ex-husband, and never did in court. After three hours of trying to explain to them the event that changed my life…..after 3 hours i finally said on record: “IT IS A SUPERNATURAL EXPERIENCE AND YOU WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT IT IS UNTIL YOU GET IT. I AM DONE TALKING” and got down from the stand. They were all in awe. and still clueless. You will never know what it is until you totally and completely repent, die to your self and pride and give it all to him and lay yourself at the foot of the CROSS and tell the LORD I AM YOURS…..and within minutes you too will be speaking in “UNKNOWN TONGUES”….it is that giving up self struggle and pride, that we know it all….problem that keeps people from getting the BAPTISM GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST IN THE BIBLE…..it will work……HE did the work, you just have to give up and submit and not WORK FOR IT….you give up, no work, lay down and no work, lay down and give it to him and voila…..you will babbling like a drunk in the upper room….watch out, i have known people who did not believe and fought it for years and the LORD had them speak in unknown tongues for up to 3 days straight. He does have a sense of humor sometimes and the LORD always gets the LAST WORD< NO PUN INTENDED and yes it is intended….

          • aka GLORY

            Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
            Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
            Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
            YOU NEED ACTS 2:38 OR 10:43-48; YOU KNOW THE REST IT IS ALL THERE REPEATED SIX TIMES. READ THE BOOK OF ACTS FIVE TIMES AND DO THE HOMEWORK AND APPLY THE WORD TO YOU LIFE AND YOU TOO WILL SPEAK IN UNKNOWN TONGUES AND BE AMAZED…

            watch http://www.cfcky.com tommy bates videos end on wed pm
            again sun. 11 am and 6 pm everyweek, EST, for 72 hours, plenty of speaking in unknown tongues in there and maybe only one or two that are the Gift of tongues which must always have an interpretation. the gift of tongues, must always be interpreted because it is a message to the church. not our personal prayer life in the holy ghost.

        • RooiValk

          this can not be true, as there is no proof anywhere in any scripture about a post-trib rapture.

          all the scriptures in the Bible regarding the rapture, are solid aligned with a pre-trib rapture…. how can the church/bride of Christ go through the 7 year tribulation, if the Holy Spirit is not on earth during the 7 years of tribulation???

          if its going to be worse than the days of Noah and Lot, it means there won’t be any mercy on earth. there is now mercy on earth because the Holy Spirit is still dwelling in us, on earth. The Holy Spirit is also going to be raptured with the Bride. if this was not true, why haven’t all of the bowls and trumpets and vails of revelation not yet poured out on earth?

          • aka Glory

            Yep. When the Perfect, Jesus Christ comes for his bride, the church of the Book of ACTS, BEFORE the TRIBULATION, all tongues and prophecies will cease. We, the holy ghost speaking in unknown tongues, the virgins with the “oil in their lamps”, people are holding back the TRIBULATION from starting.

        • aka Glory

          So wrong. You, jimmy need to be baptised in Jesus Name and filled with Holy Ghost speaking in unknown TONGUES. Then you will understand better. Those virgins are for right now, before the RAPTURE. You need to study Jewish weddings.

        • aka Glory

          Once again, you don’t have the understanding that Apostle Bradford has. The virgins with the oil are those who obeyed the Book of Acts and are baptized and filled with the HOly Ghost with the evidence of speaking in unknown tongues: Homework assignment: Book of Acts chap. 1-22. watch this week and next week http://www.cfcky.com, the CHURCH OF INDEPENDENCE KY. live video from sun. 11 am and 6pm for the next 72 hours every week EST. God bless….you need some “oil” in your lamp, Jimmy. You need to study Jewish weddings also on Jewish websites
          Mikveh, included.

        • aka Glory

          When you receive the baptism of the HOLY GHOST and speak in unknown tongues and get baptized in the water in the Name of Jesus, you will gain more knowledge and understanding and then see a lot more in the WORD. IT is all in the WORD of God, use scriptures to back up what you are saying…the WORD is convicting and all truth. aaaahhhh the blindness will fall off when you are speaking in unknown tongues, ACTS 2:38 and dont forget your bath……..signed the “dog” as you like to call me. the Gentile dog as jesus called us. I have been praying a lot of people thru to the truth in the Book of ACTS…..it really does work and taking them to the tub of water to get their flesh cleaned, you should witness it…it is very very awesome….when you see it. Over 29 years and every time a sinner repents and gets the Acts 2:38 the JOY the PEACE the LOVE of God is so prescious.

      • aka Glory

        Oh yes definitely. If you study up on Jewish marriages and weddings, you will see the correlation. The bride is betrothed thru salvation in book of acts. Covenant, with her groom to be. The Lord Jesus. In the book of ESTHER is another analogy of End time bride of christ. Jews go thru a 12 month prep before wedding after engagement, bethrothed. Like Mary was to Joseph. That was why he was going to have to get a decree of divorce when he was only engaged to Mary and found out she was pregnant. They take engagement seriously.
        So the groom usually sneaks in at nite like a thief and steals the bride away to take her to His home he has prepared for her. The church, the bride will be whisked away in the rapture to the wedding in heaven. The banqueting table. The other 5 were not ready, not warching and are “left behind”. So obey the Will of God in the book of Acts chap. . 2:1-47. Esp. Verses 1-5; 2:38= 10:43 to 4:; 19:1 to 6; 22:16, heb. 10:22. And you will be Ready to go when the bridegroom comes for his bride,the ready church, in the middle of the nite. Yes, very soon, we will be gone. Very soon. Look for Elijah and Moses to return to Jerusalem, then the Messiah is right there behind them.
        Also, the Jewish brides all take a Mikvah, SPIRITUAL bath, completely immersed before the wedding day= baptism, completely covered in water, reconciliation for sins. Sprinkling is not good enough. And the baptism in.JESUS Name was the only way the apostles baptised in the whole bible. Acts 2:38=19:1-6. You must do this to be saved from sin and clean to enter the kingdom of God. If you are still alive on day of rapture. Nothing unclean can enter heaven.

      • amigodana

        (Proverbs 10:30) “The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.”

        • aka Glory

          That is why he is frying and burning out all the wicked weeds and the righteousness of Israel and the grafted in gentiles will be around forever. Jesus has to do some dusting and cleaning and will bring back the New Jerusalem city for all saved to live in. The earth Void of wicked. Etc etc. We will be preserved in heaven safe from the Great Earth Cleanup, lasts 7 years.

      • “Slade:” Post-tribulation… Why? Because they are Jews who go forth to “meet” [NOT marry] the Bridegroom (Matthew 25:1 and 5).

        How do we know that these “virgins” are Jews?

        “These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth . These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.” (Revelation 14:4)

        Now the context…

        Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

        This matches Revelation Seven, which see…. 🙂

        • Andrew

          Hi Bob. I actually believe that the Revelation 7 and Revelation 14 are the same time-frame which is talking about the resurrection/rapture of christians prior to God’s wrath. However these first fruits are sealed to go through God’s wrath and will not be harmed (remember the locusts are told not to harm those who have been sealed). I also believe that Israel is referencing spiritual Israel which are all Christians (and not Jews who are mainly from the tribe of Judah physically). Therefore the 144,000 first fruits are Christians who are specifically sealed and protected for a specific function during God’s wrath (I am not sure what this function is). Note how the mystery of God which is accomplished in an instant, which all the prophets longed for, that is the resurrection/rapture, occurs in multiples of 7’s (Rev 7 and Rev 14). Wonderful…

      • RooiValk

        slade its easy to be honest. The virgins with the half empty lamps are the believers with half the faith. The oil represents faith.Dr Hovind believes in God but he believes only what he wants to believe when it comes to the other important Scriptures, regarding the rapture for example, he is misled by the enemy and therefor he has no faith in the pre-trib rapture to be truth.

        The virgins with the lamps full of oil are those who is righteous and cleansed before Christ, enduring in the faith, believing in the whole Bible as the Word of God and believing that what is written, so shall it be. These are the people who are truly led by the Holy Spirit and live in the spirit, close to God, every day. Strong in faith.

        i pray that God will remove the veil over dr Hovind’s eyes so that he also can see the light. Dr Hovind’s material about creation helped me to believe easier in the bible, and it made very good sense. so i respect him for what he did in the past.

    • All I know is that the word of God is a sword, dividing soul from spirit and it is like precious silver, refined 7 times in the fire:
      http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/12/02/the-written-word-what-did-jesus-the-apostles-and-the-psalmists-say-about-the-written-word-of-god/

    • illy

      The Bible clearly teaches that the last Trump is the rapture. You will all be decieved when the tribulation begins and you are still here. The great tribulation is to Weed out the real Christians from the Fakes. This pre-trib nonsense is what will cause the falling away.

      • No illy,
        The word of God is what “weeds out” the real Christians from the fakes. Heb.4:12. The great trib is for the final disciplining of Israel. That is why it is called the time of JACOBS trouble. Just as Geoffrey has previously so eloquently laid it out for you.
        The only people who will be unsaved in the great trib are those who were never saved to begin with.
        Blessings:-}

        • Don

          But we must say, that after 3 1/2 years, God finally turns His face back to Israel, and shows His mercy. (Zechariah 12:10) But you are correct, it is Jacobs trouble. Though there be some others who will be troubled also.

        • Andrew

          Hi edwitness….. when do you believe the first resurrection occurs. Is it just prior to the rapture or is it after the great tribulation? (hint: read Rev 20 and 1 Thes 4 before answering)

          • Edwitness

            Andrew,
            There has already been one. (Hint: read Mt.27:50-53)
            The context will tell you what 1st means when Paul describes the resurrection you refer to. The 1st resurrection concerning who?

          • Andrew

            To Edwitness
            I am not sure that I am replying directly to you given the set up of this website.
            Revelation was written following the resurrection of the first fruits (which I believe is the first first fruits – that of the barley harvest) and is described in Matthew as you have pointed out. Therefore the first resurrection is the first resurrection following AD70 when John wrote the book of Revelation. It is called the first resurrection because it is the mystery of God as proclaimed throughout the Bible to his prophets. The resurrection is actually more wondrous than the rapture (or at least just as wondrous). It was what the men of God who have died throughout the ages longed for, the time when they get to meet their Lord in the sky, Jesus whom is the blessed hope. In your definition the first resurrection is actually the second resurrection – but that is reading into the bible – and I’m guessing you also believe there is a second rapture as well…at the same time as this ‘supposed’ second resurrection of the righteous.

          • Edwitness

            Andrew,
            Indeed there was a rapture in the past, if you want to call it that. Enoch was taken before the destruction during the Noahic flood. I believe Enoch was a type of the church and Noah was a type of the trib saints.
            I don’t know what happened to those who raised when Jesus did. As far as I know, the scripture doesn’t say.
            Blessings:-}

          • Andrew

            Edwitness …. I can see that you do know your scripture pretty well. I believe the first first fruits (the old testament saints who were resurrected), or at least part of them, become the 24 elders in heaven (they claimed that Christ’s blood gave them salvation). I am not sure you understood me when I said that you must believe in two raptures. I meant one for the Christians prior to tribulation and one for the Jews who are still alive at the end of the tribulation…. this is to go with the two resurrections that you see occurring (one for Christians and one for Jews). I personally cannot get past the fact that this first resurrection is called the first only because it is compared with the second which is those who are resurrected for eternal judgement. If you just read Revelation 20 without any previous bias you will see that is only called first because the second one is for the unrighteous. The first is therefore for the righteous.

      • aka Glory

        There are 7 trumpets that blow. The rapture is on the FIRST TRUMP. There is another resurrection after that of believers who were Not saved from.sin, see Acts 19:1-6; 22:16; heb. 10:22; ACTS 2:38. Then the resurrection of the 144,000 Jewish tribes that were protected. Sorry, the Saved gets out of here on the first Trump blown, the Lord appears, sets the altar Ez. 43. We will be enjoing the wedding banquet. 7 years of Great Trib and then the last trump. There are 7.

      • Don

        I Don’t even think Paul was speaking about a Trump of God (Rev. had not been written yet) he was speaking to the Corinthians about how their Games ended and began, with a Trump. They had the second most important Pan-helenistic games (Isthmian Games) behind the Olympics. He was giving them an understanding that Jesus would come at the end. Paul spoke about boxing, jumping(measurement) running and the spectacle of the crowds. So this would go right along with his lingo to the Corinthians.

        Notice he says the Last Trump will sound, not the last trump of God. He, imho, is explaining to the, look, be patient, when the last trump sounds, then Jesus will show up. Since the Corinthians knew the last trump happened at the ed of their games, this they would understand clearly as a metaphor. Without further explanation, how would the Corinthians even have a clue what Paul was peaking of, since the Revelation was not yet written by John, and wouldn’t be for 30 some odd years ? Which is more likely ? That Paul threw something out there about a last trump without explaining it at all, (in which case why didn’t Paul just tell all the things that John told in Revelation ? ) or Paul was trying to reach the Corinthians by using verbiage they understood ? I think the later. Research it.

      • Tim

        The last trump is not the 7th trumpet in Revelation as many believe. The first 6 trumpets are angels announcing sections of the wrath of God. The bible is clear that Jesus delivers the church from the wrath to come. The last trumpet that initiates the rapture is the last trumpet used by angels to call the assembly of God’s people. An example of this is in the following verses.

        Exodus 19:16-20 (KJV)

        16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.

        17 And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.

        18 And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.

        19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.

        20 And the Lord came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and the Lord called Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went up.

      • Heather

        illy, God knows everything. Why would He cause The Body of Christ to go through the tribulation to weed out the real from the fake when He already knows?

      • aka Glory

        In a jewish synagogue, they blow lots of different trumpet blasts off two trumpets a small one and a large one. The LAST TRUMP could be the last blast of a series of 100 blasts they blow at the feast of trumpets on Rosh Hashanah. Could be that one…..all in one day. Then the other “SIX TRUMPETS” start the great tribulation. All i know is the holy Ghost filled people, who speak in unknown tongues, are holding back the RAPTURE, when we go in the rapture, when the PERFECT comes, there will be no more church, no more God, no more holy ghost…it will be hell on earth as more demons are released to do a job. The bride of Christ will be gone to the wedding supper, the virgins with the oil in the lamps.

    • Carlos

      I agree with Trevor. “In necesariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus caritas.”

    • aka Glory

      He sent us apostles Peter, Phillip, and Paul in book of Acts. Read and obey the Will of God in.Acts 2:38, find a pastor or someone to baptize you in the NAME Of Jesus Christ for remission of sins and you can receive the baptism of the holy ghost anywhere. You will speak in unknown TONGUES when he fills you. That message will definitely get you out in the RAPTURE. Any other baptism or way will keep you left behind. That is your Great Escape Route .

    • Don

      The big issue is deception. I will not argue with anyone that does not believe in a pretribulation rapture. The word of God is pretty clear that God is going to once and for all allow Israel to get to the very end of their means and strength. When all is collapsing around them is when the Holy One breaks the clouds and when His heel lands on the Mount of olives the salvation of God begins to come in the person oaf the Messiah. Like it was posted in the article there is no wrath on a Christian because of our free gift of our Savior JESUS. No sin in the account of the believer, no wrath and God would be a liar if the Father demanded a forgiven christian I go through the very wrath of God because the blood of JESUS cleansing power. Again no sin in our account, no wrath….

      • aka Glory

        Don, i believe in pre-trib also, but we will never know WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. I hope that we will not go through too much tribulation, or NO TRIBULATION would be ideal. But everyone think on this fact….John the Baptist was the first cousin of JESUS. John the Baptist was called the Greatest Prophet that ever lived with the message of repentance and preparing the way for JESUS Christ. Jesus Christ, The GOD of Gods, the KING OF KINGS, was alive, walking the earth when John was thrown into prison, after preaching and teaching and baptizing crowds of 1000’s …..Jesus was down the street, when John was beheaded. Jesus Christ did not save his own cousin, his own prophet, his own flesh and bloodline, he did not rescue him out of prison. Jesus was there when JOHN’s head was decapitated and he did nothing to stop it. So I hope we do not have to go through any torture or evil, but we are not guaranteed a perfect finish, before he comes. The apostles went through some horrible deaths, except for one. and they were all believers, and followed my famous ACTS 2:38. Believers still get attacked with cancer and heart disease. We have no guarantee about the ‘flesh’ or our time when it is up. Stephen was stoned….the islamic Muslims are into stoning a lot. WE never know what and how our finish will be. We are assured that we will have a place in heaven and get a new body and our name is written in the book of life, that is our guarantee. Think about JOHN the BAPTIST and Jesus was down the street, …think about it. Just be ready with Acts 2:38.

  • Robin

    Yes, Reading the BIBLE for what it really is the man has finally found the TRUTH. Picking and choosing verses to defend the pre trib belief that was started in the early 1900’s by some person doesn’t make it the truth. So glad for Dr. Hovind. God Bless Him.

    • Just one problem with your position. Kent Hovind didn’t find his new theology in the Bible, he got it from a book by Roland Rasmussen called “The Post-Trib, Pre-Wrath Rapture”. Then he went backwards into the Bible to twist the verses to make it fit his new position. Hope you tune in tomorrow night for the live interview!

      • Heinz

        HI Geoffrey, It is also interesting, while you comment on the roots of theories, have you ever researched the roots of Pre-trib? 🙂

        • Yes, Bro. Paul from Tarsus and Bro. John from the isle of Patmos have gone over the “roots” of the Pretrib with me countless times over the past 25 years 🙂

          • amigodana

            Apparently, you are missing something here as well Geoffrey. In fact, I believe I have a MORE SURE WORD OF PROPHECY than you do since I listen to Jesus rather ANY man.

            (2 Peter 1:19-21) “We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: {20} Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. {21} For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”

            Even Paul agrees;

            (Galatians 1:11-12) “But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. {12} For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.”

            He was simply just a pen;

            (Psalms 45:1) “My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue is the pen of a ready writer.”

            So, if you want to know the truth, you should believe ALL scripture;

            (2 Timothy 3:16) “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

            However, as you have shown from the past, you prefer man over God;

            (Proverbs 10:30) “The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.”

            Good Luck with your FALSE words Geoffrey!!!

          • amigodana

            Deleted my post, huh? You didn’t like the truth of God’s Word, I take it!

          • aka Glory

            Once you obey Acts 2:38 & 19:1 -6; repent, baptised in Jesus Name, and filled with Holy Ghost speaking in unknown tongues, Acts ,2:1-5, 10:43-48. 19:1-6; 22:16; heb 10:22. You will have more understanding. It takes a few of us a little longer to see it, the Will of God as written. Not to do and obey what is written is sin and rebellion to the Will of God. No one can delete or add or change the Will of God, in KJV. It took me 34 years to understand and DO IT. Prayed with a lady who left the Islamic Muslim faith a month ago, when it turned evil, on Sunday, at the altar of repentance and she was gloriously baptised in the Holy Ghost / Spirit with speaking in unknown tongues in 10 min. So quick when you repent. You will feel in your Spirit, once you obey and hear Him.calling you that is is coming sooner than u think.

            The black magic mystic, kabbalist groups and antichrist Catholics are promoting post trib RAPTURE doctrine which is satanic, so u will be left behind and lost. Hint: Hindi Vedic lingams: black kaaba stone + worship to Allah, kabbalists: kabba stone + allah, Muhammad kaaba is a hindu vedic lingam, to allah, generic word for Unknown God. The whole group is post tribs. ALL RELATED TO SHIVA. look it up. Do homework. Shiva old name was allah in hindi. The Qu’ran came from the Quraysh tribe in Iran 608CE. Muhammad copied their pagan junk creating his own bible in 620CE. Nothing original or from any God. It is alk man made junk.

      • Heather

        Amen brother Geoffrey,
        Satan is working overtime to deceive As we are hearing more and more Christians say that they “used” to believe in the pre tribulation rapture, but now they have switched to a mid or post tribulation rapture view. I believe there is an agenda to deceive God’s people on this important subject, especially within the last 20 years, and one of the roots of this agenda leads to the Jesuits.
        I will give just 1 example. The book that was written by Martin Rosenthal that came out in 1990 ” The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church”
        I will quote a couple paragraphs from his book.
        Chapter 19 page 265
        He writes; “Perhaps at this point an important question must be answered. If the thesis of this book is correct, if the Church is to be raptured pre wrath, at the opening of the 7th seal and, therefore, sometime within the 2nd half of the seventieth week of Daniel, why has this position never been enunciated before? Why after only more than 1900 years into the Church age, does this view appear on the scene? Is it simply a new and fanciful position set forth by an extremist? This is a legitimate issue deserving a satisfactory response.
        (Then on page 293, he writes)
        “Within two years many men will be teaching the pre wrath Rapture. Within five years it will be a recognized position. And, if God pleases, within fifteen years it will become a major position of the believing Church- if God gives that many years.”
        Very telling. Also, just a couple other names to mention are Kent Hovind who “used” to believe in the pre tribulation rapture, is now writing books about the pre wrath view. Then there is Roland Rasmussen with his book that came out in 1996 “The Post Trib Pre Wrath Rapture.”
        I am looking for our Blessed Hope, for our Lord Jesus Christ to appear. I’m not looking for the Antichrist. I am feverently waiting on our Lord Jesus’ return for His Bride. Many who have been deceived into believing the mid or post tribulation rapture are not rightly dividing the word of truth. It also takes away the URGENCY to reach the lost before it’s too late. I would say this is exactly what Satan wants.
        The enemy of our Lord Jesus does not want the truth to be known. When the Rapture happens, they are going to do everything in their power to COVER IT UP!

    • Don

      Where Post Tribbers get deceived is they fall for single scriptures and misconstrue them. The first mistake is Jesus said he would return “Immediately after the Tribulation”….SO WHAT !! We Christians return with Jesus IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation. You see how Satan can confuse with half-truths ? Secondly, you guys see the verse in Revelation where Satan was given power to make war with the Saints. And you have an epiphany and say the Saints must be on earth, Eureka. BUT….after the Church is taken to Heaven to marry the Lamb, why does it not register that many people who were left, will give their lives to Jesus, and these must endure until the end, because their lamps had no oil when Christ came.

      You see, you take single scriptures, but miss the thread of the Rapture that runs throughout the bible.

      • amigodana

        When they are this clear and to the point, I believe what it says;

        (Proverbs 10:30) “The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.”

        • God removed Enoch, was he not righteous??

          • amigodana

            You will have to show me the scripture that say’s he was removed because my bible say’s that he was TRANSLATED;

            Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

        • aka Glory

          I am so with you. See above posts. We are going home very soon, whether they like it or not. The holy ghost has the saved believers very much in tune.

        • Enoch was removed by God. Are you saying that Enoch was not righteous??

          • amigodana

            You will have to show me the scripture that say’s he was removed because my bible say’s that he was TRANSLATED;

            Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

          • aka Glory

            What part of “translated” does she not understand? It means removed, taken out, gone,not on earth. Just like the righteous who obeyed Acts 2:38 & 19:1-6; 22:16; heb 10:23; acts 2:38, repeating for a reason. The Catholics removed the baptism in Jesus Name, for a reason. To keep you out of the rapture; the Great Whore: the Antichrist: the Pope Francis, the Father of Lies=A post trib liar. We are out at the FIRST trump not the Last TRUMP.

          • amigodana

            Glory, apparently you don’t know the bible. If you look up the word translate in the bible you can clearly see the context that God uses for that word is that it is a change and not a removal. But you wouldn’t understand that would you, because you don’t know God. You can’t just privately interpret scripture Glory!!

            2 Samuel 3:10 To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beer–sheba.

            Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

            Translate in Gods context and interpretation is a change, plain and simple.

          • amigodana

            Glory, apparently you don’t know the bible. If you look up the word translate in the bible you can clearly see the context that God uses for that word is that it is a change and not a removal. But you wouldn’t understand that would you, because you don’t know God. You can’t just privately interpret scripture Glory!!

            2 Samuel 3:10 To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beer–sheba.

            Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

            Translate in Gods context and interpretation is a change, plain and simple.

        • Don

          That verse is speaking of the Kingdom of the righteous. The evil have a “time” on the earth when they will rule the earth, but in the end, the righteous will win out, they/we will be here forever, because that Rock which is cut out of the side of the mountain in Daniels dream is Jesus Christ. Amen.

      • aka Glory

        Agree. See my post aka glory. Geoffrey is missing it completely.
        I have been Acts 2:38 saved in Jesus name since 1986. Came out of Baptist, Catholic, new age and church of scientology jjnk. Delivered and baptised with Holy Ghost speaking in unknown tongues as given to all apostles and Mother Mary and all believers. He is calling us to the weddkng supper. I hear his voice, it is very very soon. Get ready, Geoffrey, so u wont miss it and be left behind with the Catholic images that they will be forced to bow and worship to per the mark.

        • TheGreatTroy

          How soon is soon ?

          • aka GLORY

            OH. HURRY UP….you can do Acts 2:38 today, right now, repent and ask the LORD into your heart completely and he will fill you/ baptize you/ give you HIS GIFT TO YOU, THE HOLY GHOST. It is a renewing of your spirit, fulfilling John 3:3-8, where Jesus said you MUST BE BORN AGAIN IN THE WATER AND THE SPIRIT…. to enter or see the kingdom of God/ Heaven. When you do this, you will immediately speak in an unknown foreign tongue/ language after you feel his living spirit the holy ghost enter your belly in about 10 min. Your tongue will feel weird and if you let go, He will let the waters of life flow from your belly and out of your mouth will flow a brand new born again language you have never learned and you will feel a rush of PEACE and excitement like you have never known. I absolutely love watching get the BAPTISM, THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST AT THE ALTAR, you will see me on tv at http://www.cfcky.com….i am the one wondering around touching people and praying with them thru to the blessing of the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST. This is NOT, I REPEAT this is NOT THE GIFT OF TONGUES. Do not confuse that Gift of Tongues with has to have the Gift of Interpretation with it, that is for those who give messages to the CHURCH to edify the CHURCH. That is not the initial baptism of the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST. Read the Book of Acts, each word, scripture and verse, no skipping allowed from chapter one to 22 all the way thru. HIGHLITE in yellow everytime you see the Word SAVED. The litebulb will come on and then when you get the understanding and get the baptism of the HOLY GHOST…..aaaahhhhhh i cannot describe the JOY of finally knowing the Truth about salvation and the Grace of the Apostolic Doctrine that has been lost and hidden due to the Catholic influence over Christianity and their lying to all of us and we fell for it, the baptists, methodists, all

            If you do it before the RAPTURE, you will never ever have to go thru the white throne judgment. You will definitely get out of here in the RAPTURE, because he is going to pull HIS SPIRIT off this earth, when the PERFECT COMES and when you get baptized in JESUS NAME for the remission of sins, under the water in that watery grave, buried like him in baptism that will clean your flesh. We are going to be the only group, ( if you don’t die before the LORD returns on that Great day of the Rapture), we are going to be the only ones that have not died in the flesh. SO we definitely need our flesh washed in the water in JESUS NAME or you will not be glorified to get off this planet. nothing unclean is allowed to be in heaven, esp the third heaven.
            GET IT REAL SOON, AT LEAST YOU WILL BE ‘RAPTURE READY’ WHENEVER HE COMES BACK. The Bible says we are to teach the GOSPEL, which is the book of Acts from the Apostles Creed and Doctrine given to all mankind for salvation. God Bless….you will love it…..be sure you get re-baptized (sprinkling does not count, no one sprinkled in the bible, that is a lie from pagan Catholicism), you MUST BE BAPTIZED UNDER THE WATER COMPLETELY IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. Six times in the Book of Acts always done in that verse and scripture and as Geoffrey says…the KJV is the only way….to the TRUTH and i agree with the words in the kjv….and Betty Jean Robinson sings: you better go down in the NAME OF JESUS WHEN YOU GO DOWN…. TO GO DOWN…and back up in resurrection POWER with the infilling of the HOLY GHOST. let me know when you get it……you will love it…..it can happen anywhere……watch http://www.cfcky.com starting sunday EST 11 & 6 pm for 72 hours live video….i will be there. Also in ky channel 64.1 8am Bridging the Gap with Pastor Tommy Bates…preaching the OLD TIME GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST STRAIGHT OUT THE BIBLE FOR TODAY…..Acts is the only CHURCH IN THE BIBLE

          • No, you CANNOT perform Acts 2:38 today, as baptism is not part of our salvation in the Age of Grace. People who believe that we are saved by baptism are greatly deceived…Acts is not the “only church” in the Bible. What about the church at Corinth and Laodicea?

          • aka GLORY

            Geoffrey, you show me the scriptures, that says WE DO NOT NEED TO BE BAPTIZED to be saved? where is it? All the churches started in Acts. jesus said to do it, and all the apostles, who are you listening to? You surely can not be hearing from God……Ask him ? go to him …..the source of this book and Will and Testament. Go to the source…..not some man and tradition. you will be lost and not be ready for the rapture without it….see…..the Word

            Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
            Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
            Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
            THE WORD OF GOD SAYS WE MUST BE BAPTIZED TO BE SAVED…..Jesus, Peter, Philip, Paul and more all said it to do it.
            Rom_6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
            Rom_6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

            :5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
            Rom_6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
            Rom_6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

            Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
            Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
            Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

            Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
            Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
            Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
            Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
            Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
            Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

            Act 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
            Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

            READ THE BOOK OF ACTS AND YOU WILL SEE. YOU CANNOT SKIP OVER ANY SCRIPTURE TO THE CHURCH.
            If you do not obey the WILL OF GOD YOU ARE IN REBELLION…which is a sin. I guarantee if you ask the LORD, if you hear his voice, he will tell you the same thing i am telling you. Dont be deceived by tradition of men, obey the WORD OF GOD and not men. JOHN 3:3-8; if you plan on seeing and entering the Kingdom of God for the RAPTURE you MUST DO IT to get off this planet in the rapture. If you do not speak in unknown tongues, you have not been filled with the HOLY GHOST and you need that too. you need both. I did it just like it was written and it was an awesome experience for both, the water baptism and the baptism of the HOLY GHOST. Ask the LORD if i am telling the truth, ask him…You are missing the cross, when you deny baptism and his spirit. YOu are relying on yourself to save you. GRACE begins in Acts chapt. 1-22. That is where Grace begins.
            Read Romans chapt. 6.
            All the CHURCHES IN The bible started in the Book of Acts. They were baptized in JESUS NAME and saved by baptism in water and Holy Ghost. Act_18:1 After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth;
            Act_19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
            1Co_1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
            Col_4:16 And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.
            1Ti_6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen. The first to Timothy was written from Laodicea, which is the chiefest city of Phrygia Pacatiana.

          • Edwitness

            Aka GLORY,
            There is no scripture that says that you must be baptized to be saved either. But, Paul is clear that salvation is by faith and not by works. If you make baptism an absolute in order to be saved, then you are saved by works.
            Nothing we can do saves us. Faith is a gift and so is grace. No works.
            Blessings:-}

          • aka GLORY

            Baptism is not a WORK….baptism is you laying down in a watery grave and dying to sin and self. Jesus did the work and you have faith that your sins are going to be washed away in that water the past is never going to be remembered by the LORD ever again, you will have a clean slate, you will be born again, brand new, regenerated and fresh like a new born baby, Baptism is a death and burial, you just lay down and die….no work by you, go for it.. He paid the price, now take the credit he paid and apply it to your debt of sin, reconciliation is another term. watch TD JAKES on youtube a day of reckoning. and Paul was very crystal clear what to do for salvation and it was to Gentiles: read
            Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
            Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
            Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism.
            Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
            Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
            Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
            Act 22:15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
            Act 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
            PAUL SAID IT , I DID NOT, PAUL SAID IT ….WHY TARRY, GO GET IT DONE….THE WORD OF GOD
            Watch our church service on computer or ROKU live stream, account : cfc on TV…for 72 hours:
            you will hear the baptism of the HOLY GHOST,…..www.cfcky.com Tommy Bates

          • aka GLORY

            You guys and gals are really working me on scriptures…but i got them…
            Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
            Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
            Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
            YOU GOTTA BE BAPTIZED (A DEATH, NOT A WORK) TO BE SAVED…I DONT DELETE A WORD IN THAT BOOK…I DONT SKIP OVER …..THEY ALL WORKED FOR ME…THEY WILL WORK FOR YOU. if you dont put on Jesus Christ then you have no grace, no salvation…you cannot be saved by your faith, faith is dead without the work of stepping into that water….and Rom. 6 and Col. buried with him in baptism….you have to be buried WITH HIM IN BAPTISM….you have to put on immortality…..in the watery grave ……you can get the baptism of the HOLY GHOST before or after the baptism in water, either way is fine…..the upper room was the ……..you know….it by now…

          • How long have you been a Campbellite??

          • aka GLORY

            Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
            Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
            Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
            Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
            Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

            YOU NEED THE HOLY GHOST AND THE WATER BAPTISM TO BE SAVED, THE LORD SAID IT RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE AND
            PETER TO THE GENTILES IN CHAPT 10
            AND PAUL TO THE GENTILES IN 11,19,22…. SAME MESSAGE TO THE CHURCHES…SAME MESSAGE OVER AND OVER. EVERY WORD IS PROFITABLE FOR CORRECTION AND INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS.
            James said to be a doer of the word, not just a hearer.
            we are neither JEW NOR GENTILE when we join the CHURCH OF GOD……we are all SAVED IN JESUS NAME….there are not two separate kinds of churches….there is ONLY ONE CHURCH…the BODY OF CHRIST.

    • Reginald

      There is no single Biblical reference in the Tanach and in the Brith Chadashah that support the pretribulation rapture / first resurrection or Episunagoge! I was brought up a pretribber, and would vehemently dispute with anyone who tries to show me otherwise from the Holy Bible, that Pretribulation view is unbiblical. And I will even go to cutting fellowship with such brethren, for telling me the truth that there is no rapture / first resurrection before the signing of the seven-year covenant between the Antichrist and Israel! Such brethren I used to avoid them because as a pretribber, I would not like to associate with them for they want to steal my blessed Hope,which is the Lord Jesus Christ, coming for His bride, by Episunagoge ie rapture + first resurrection. The pretribulation view is meant to buy a get away ticket, from being tribulated by the Man of Lawlessness or Son of Perdition, accorfing to the scripture, Dani’EL 7 :21-23, and Revelation 13:7.

      The son of perdition makes war with the saints of Christ and overcomes them! He kills the Saints of Christ! Hang on the pretribulation view is meant to undermine this scripture is not fulfilled.

      So the pretribulationists tries a cheap shot of getting around it, by saying it is for the post – tribulation saints, it is not for pretribulation saints, there reason is in Revelation 4, John was called up and shown things in heaven, so John being called upto heaven and shown the program of end time translates into rapture before the signing of the seven-year covenant between the Antichrist and Israel. This is silly! It does not add up! It makes no sense! Because there is only one rapture / first resurrection according to 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, and 1Corinthians 15 : 51-58.

      There is no dichotomy of saints in Christ Jesus! There is only one saint in Christ, and the rapture / first resurrection, will not take place until at least, the antichrist or son of Perdition, is unveiled as written in 2 Thessalonians 2 : 3-4.
      Who would the Son of Perdition be unveiled to? Is it to the deceived and deluded who belong to the Antichrist? Or is it to the faithful remnants, who has not apostasised or fallen away or departed from the faith that was once delivered which we were to contend earnestly for? I mean the faithful remnants of the spotless bride without spot or wrinkle, not the harlot, apostate corrupt, unfaithful who has sold out?

      When Dani’EL was given the prophecy in Dani’EL 12 :4, he was told to seal up the vision until the appointed time! It means we are not going to know, until the Lamb of God, begins to unseal the little book sealed with seven seals, as John was comforted by one of the elders, that he should weep not because the Lamb of God is able to take the book from the hand of the Father and unseal it, that was in Revelation 5. And the unsealing begins in Revelation 6:1. From Revelation 612-17, the Wrath of God comes, and as written in 1Thessalonians 5 : 9-10, we are not appointed unto God’s wrath , but to obtain salvation by Lord Jesus Christ. This is the point of 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, and 1Corinthians 15 : 51-58 , goes into effect, after Satan’s Wrath, and immediately after tribulation of those days shall the sun not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken, ….31 Matthew 24:29-31, and juxtaposition this to Revelation 6:12-17, 8:12.

      The problem is pretribulationists mixes Great Tribulation or Wrath of Satan a part of the seven-year covenant, which God allows Satan three and half years or fourty two months for his acts of wickedness, persecution and trial to separate the wheat from the chaff. And God’s Wrath, which is meant for those who have rejected God’s only means of reconciliation by the precious blood of Yeshua, instead they made a deal with Satan by taking the Mark of the beast. This is where they go wrong. They rejects scriptures that, even Christ and His apostles foretold of persecution and through much tribulation we shall inherit the Kingdom of God. What the pretribbers does is they reject the labour pain, before the child comes, they want the baby without the labour pain! They want the Blessed Hope which is the coming of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and rejects the Tribulation or Wrath of Satan! Acts 14:22, Matt 13:21, “yet hath no root in himself but endures for a while: for when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, by and by he is offended”. This is nothing but seeker sensitive gospel, or gospel of name it and claim it, you are a child of God, and will not see sorrow and pain! They reject the persecution and suffering but buys blessing! The gospel of crown without the cross is what pretribulation rapture / first resurrection is all about period!

      Acts 14:22 “And confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue, in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the Kingdom of God.”

      No Pretribulation view is not Biblical, and the danger in it, is that many would be offended, when suddenly the son of Perdition is unveiled, and he begins his attacks on the faithful remnants, who immediately identifies him, and warning not to take the Mark of the beast, and be martyred by the son of Satan, for opposing him, and those who did not count the cost, will say ok and take it and be damned in the fiery lake of fire burning with brimstone, after being punished in the Wrath of God, Revelation 14: 9-11.

      • aka Glory

        Ez. 33 thru 43, the book Daniel, Isaiah, it is all there. Do not believe the kabbalists who study mystical black magic, from the Hindi Vedic. The kabba or kaaba is the black stone, of mecca, a hindi vedic lingam to Shiva. Old name : allah. Kabba + allah. Jewish junk, kaaba + allah, muslim junk, all from ancient vedics. Not frkm God, Yaweh, Jehoshu, Jehovah, Elohim. He came as the son of God, died for all of our sins with a new and better COVENANT. The book of Hebrews is for you to read. No more Malkot, no more chickens for repentance in Kapparot, it was all completed in Him, Jesus Christ, to return for those who listened and obeyed the two Jews Peter and Paul. The book of Acts 2:38 will get you out of the worst Jewish Holocost that is coming after the church is raptured and there is no more God for 7 years. Only 144,000 of tribes if Israel wilk be protected. Thats it. RAPTURE is very soon.

      • Reginald,
        “cutting fellowship”? The timing of the rapture is not a doctrine that determines whether one is a believer or not. Therefore “cutting fellowship” is not a Christian response when someone disagrees with your position on the timing of the rapture.
        I am pre-trib myself. And I have only read the Bible on the subject. Nothing else. But, one thing is for sure. If we would not be ready to stay, we are not ready to go.
        MARANATHA!
        Blessings:-}

        • aka Glory

          Yep. We MUST BE READY. That is the point of the parable with the 10 virgins. 5 were out shopping for more oil at the midnite sales at walmart and the other 5 were PREPARED and their lamps were full of oil and the LITE WAS ON AND LIT. When the bridegroom came to get His Bride “the Church of the book of Acts, where they all began( not in Matthew). The Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved= Acts chap. Two verses 1 to 47. Read it five times and you will see what Paul was saying in Acts 19:1 -6; 22:16; and Peter repeated and COMMANDED US TO DO: Acts 10:43–48. This is a WRITTEN WILL and no can change what God wrote to us. Delete the words or skip and You Will Lose your INHERITANCE AND PROMISES. He will come like a thief in the nite on the FIRST TRUMP. BE READY FOR HIM AND OBEY THE WILL OF GOD. Rebellion is the sin of witchcraft if you DON’T DO IT. James dont just be a hearer be a DOER. You will see when you obey and DO IT. ACTS 2:38 AS WRITTEN. JUST DO IT. DONT FIGHT IT, DO IT.

      • Andrew

        I absolutely agree. The blessed hope is Jesus Christ not a one way ticket to avoid persecution.

  • Heinz

    Good day, NTEB. I really love and follow your emails as you send them daily. I do however find it ridiculous for you to use the language “Losing the Blessed Hope” for a Christian who changed his belief in a doctrine which does not influence his Salvation. I know of MANY believers and TRUE christians who believes in a Post-tribulation rapture and that does not mean they have LOST THE BLESSED HOPE.
    To me it is very sad to hear the attacking nature of your comments to a guy who just spent 10 years in prison after spending years defending Creationism.
    You might have your theory of WHEN our Messiah will come again, but please remember that no one knows the day or hour and that EVERY EYE will see Him.
    I think you owe Brother Hovind an apology.

    Thank you for keeping us posted on the end times related news!

    Heinz Greeff

    • I am not “attacking” anyone. He has his position and I have mine. When his people contacted us and requested an interview, I told them flat out the only thing I was interested in discussing was his change in doctrine.They very enthusiastically agreed to it under that pre-condition. As far as the title of the show goes, that’s exactly how I view his change in doctrine. Hope you tune in tomorrow night!

      • Brandon

        Well I’ve never seen Brother Hovind lose a debate and considering the pre -trib rapture is a myth, i don’t see him losing this one. Good luck.

        • Are you a follower of man or a follower of God? SMH

        • aka Glory

          Youre wrong. See above posts

        • Do you follow man of God?? Kent post-trib heresy is opposed to God’s word

          • billy

            Jimmy Post-trib is Biblical, pre-trib is not. The bible is clear as day the last Trump is the rapture. Do you even realize that only westerners believe in a pre-trib rapture? Pre-trib doctrine has only even been around for 100 years or so, the early church believed in post tribulation. The devil has been hard at work to fool yall. The great falling away will be caused by this false doctrine.

          • aka Glory

            Jimmy is correct. Post trib is heresy. You all need more study in the word or else you all have Not Obeyed Acts 2:38 or 4:7 -32; 8:12-17; 10:43-48; 19:1 -6; 22:16; heb. 10:22. Read Acts first 22 chapters and get clean from.sin in Jesus Name. Not job titles of Matthew, the pope, the baptists, the church of God, the JW, the Mormons, Free masons, have all missed the NAME that removes sin and Nothing Unclean will go up in RAPTURE. You MUST BE WASHED AND BURIED ONLY IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST per the Book of Acts. Tell your pastor to DO IT THE WAY THE WILL IS WRITTEN in the book of Acts. Down in Jerusalem is where the remission of sins were to begin and Paul never changed One Word from what Peter told the first church on the day of Pentecost, the method on how to be saved from sin, and Born Again. In this lifetime. If you are a believer in Jesus Christ, then go get baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ and filled with his spirit as He commanded us to do in His Last WILL. It is a legal and binding contract or Better COVENANT sealed in his blood. Mary Never died for your sins. You will not get a second chance. DO IT NOW AS WRITTEN. Then you will be ready. IT SAYS TO DO ALL IN THE NAME OF JESUS, that includes baptism and sprinkling was NEVER A BAPTISM in the bible. That is nothing but pure laziness from a lying deceived priest. Obedience to the Will of God as written will bring understanding. Prov. 9:8 to 10. Heb. 4:12. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Obey His Will given to us in book of Acts .

          • aka Glory

            No, Jimmy is not wrong. You are wrong billy. There are 7 trumps. We get Raptured on the First TRUMP. We are not waiting around till the 7th if you obey Acts 2:38 you will get more understanding and wisdom and I hope you have been baptised in the holy ghost with evidence of speaking in unknown tongues as in Acts 2:1 to 47. If not you are confused. The gift of tongues is for after the baptism and that is only a gift for message to churches in Corin. 12 to 14 for those of you who dont Understand the tongues. The initial baptism is Not the gift of tongues. Been baptised and filled for 30years. I know what I am talking about and I have dont have the gift of tongues. He gave me discernment and deliverance ministry. Everyone should be baptized in holy ghost speaking in unknown tongues if you are a believer. Read book of acts five times chap. 1 to 22. and you see it and get it.

    • Don

      But it does affect other peoples salvation. How many people will hear this false doctrine and delay their salvation, thinking, hey I must endure until the end anyway, why not just wait until I am older to get saved. Then these people have to g through the Tribulation, all because they tarried, because of False Teaching. He might not effect his own salvation, but he might effect others. Hos can you hear that which is in error, and be hearing God ?

  • S.A. Croft

    I also believed in a pretrib rapture for many years and the Lord opened my eyes to what the Scripture really says. Has it occurred to you that you may be the one that is wrong? While being wrong about something you salvation does not depend upon will not send you to hell, it ought to make you ashamed when you have castigated so many good brothers and sisters in Christ who are just as sincere in their belief as I believe you are in yours.

    • Do you tell a lost person to endure to the end to be saved> Or do you tell them to receive the free gift of salvation through the blood atonement of Jesus Christ?

      This IS a salvation issue!

      • Right ON Jimmy! If one adds WORKS to GRACE, it is no longer grace and that person is still in his/her sins.

        • billy

          I guess you just want to leave out the verse that says faith without works is dead

          • aka Glory

            Billy have you obeyed the written WILL IF GOD? Obeyed the book of Acts where remission of sin and the baptism of the holy ghost was given to all believers? If not, you lack wisdom and understanding. You are also in rebellion to the Will of God. U will miss the INHERITANCE given in the WILL. perversion begins when people delete and change what was written in the Last Will and Testament given to us by the Testator of the Will signed and sealed in His blood. Anyone who has Not obeyed Acts 2:38 or Acts 19:1 -6 exactly as written or skips over this Commandment of God to his bride, will miss the Rapture. I guarantee it. You will miss the Rapture and be left behind. Go read book of Acts al of it, chap. 1 to 22, five times. Now Obey and DO It. Just Do it. Do it and be saved from your sins. Read, obey and DO it. He said it not me. Heb. 4:12.

    • Don

      Billy and S.A. Croft…. First off, this old Rapture has only been around 100 years is pure bunk, and is easily overcome. Paul used he word Harpazo meaning to “Seize or Caught-up” the Latin translation used Rapio, which means “Seized or Caught-up” and the English word Rapture means “Seized or Caught-up” so that is bunk. Paul is the author of the Rapture and your words have been debunked.

      And Revelations had not been written when Paul spoke of the “Last Trump” so if Paul was speaking of the same last trump, why wouldn’t he expound on it ? They would have no idea what he meant, OR WOULD THEY ? You see the Corinthians held the second most popular Pan-helenistic game, after the Olympics, they were held every 2 years. Isthmian Games in Corinth. In 1 Corinthians 9:24–26,[10] written to the city that hosted the Isthmian Games,[11] the metaphor is extended from running to other games, such as boxing,[12] to make the point that winning a prize requires discipline, self-control, and coordinated activity.

      Now we know that before the Games, a Trump was blown t start the games and to finish off the Games. So when the Corinthians asked Paul when Jesus was coming back, this was Paul’s way of giving them a metaphor. You see, at the end, when the Last Trump sounds (like the Games) then Jesus will return. John wrote Revelation 30 years after Paul wrote Corinthians.

      Paul spoke to them of Shadow Boxing, Running the Race, Measuring Jumps and of the Specter of Sports. Speaking of the “LAST TRUMP” was just Paul using lingo the Corinthians understood.

  • S.A. Croft

    and yet you are supporting Irwin Baxter who is not a pre-tribber. I very much enjoy Baxter by the way…

    • How do we “support Irwin Baxter”? On our Sunday night radio show, I am often using his unbiblical interpretation of the 4 Horsemen of Revelation 6 as an example of how modern bible teachers wind up at wacky conclusions when they fail to believe what the Bible says.

      • aka Glory

        He got his mixed up interpretation from black magic kabbalist Judaism. He is wrong. See Perry Stone, he hears from God, Irvin Baxter went to the wrong source. The rabbis have posted a website laughing at him.

  • Nancy

    Dr. Hovind has been off for some time – I’m refering to his teaching on the gap, which is not a theory but fact. What is the old saying about a little leaven? That error throws off his entire presentation on creation – I had those tapes years ago.

    • He now associates with Steven Anderson and Alex Jones, which to me, is about as unChristian as you could want to go.

      • Brandon

        Maybe because these we’re the only ones that reached out to him. He was trying to have a voice from prison. Did you ever call or visit him? Did you offer to do an interview? I’m sure that if you had been in prison for years you wouldn’t have reminded people you we’re still in there by whatever means. Cast stones Brother.

        • He had plenty of people defending him while he was in prison, no need for me to be a part of that. But Steven Anderson is about as apostate as you can possibly be and still pretend to be a Christian. He is anti semitic and swears when he preaches from the pulpit. That’s a BAD person top be associated with….

      • Brandon

        I do greatly appreciate the news updates. Thanks for all the hard work. We all won’t ever always agree until Heaven.

      • billy

        What you just said is about as unchristian as it gets.

    • billy

      If you believe in the gap theory than you are calling the bible a liar. Bible clearly teaches the earth was created in literally a 7 day time period. By his word the heavens were of old.

  • Brandon

    The biggest reason the pre-trib teaching is falling away is because many Believers are reading their KJ Bible and not just mindlessly regurgitating dispensationalist preachers. The KJV so clearly teaches that the gathering of the Saints is at the end of the Great Tribulation. IE. Jesus in Matt.24, Paul in first and second Thes. and John in Rev. 10. The 7th Trumpet is the last trump and that is the catching up. Paul told us in 1Cor. 15 that we shall be resurrected and “then cometh the end”. Not then cometh the tribulation. This is just the beginning though. There are scores of verses that are clearly post -trib and then a few obscure out of context verses to try and teach the false pre-trib view. It’s an itching ears doctrine that is used to fill church buldings. We are already in the Laodicean age. It’s us unfortunately. With love, peace.

    • aka Glory

      Wrong. See above posts. Plus if u obeyed Acts 2:38 you wpuld feel and know in your spirit the urgrncy of His coming very soon. As soon as Elijah shows up with Moses. EZ.,33 to 42 is going to happen and Jesus walks thru East gate in Ez. 43, and we are outta here and all hell breaks lose as predicted in 2 Thess.

      • Brandon

        There are 20 clear post trib verses to every vague, out of context, presumed pre trip verse. It’s actually quite clear once you go directly to the King James Bible and leave off your pre-conceived ideas. The Word couldn’t be much clearer. It’s all about American Christians escaping tribulation…well sorry but we’re appointed to it and the wrath is not until the end before which those alive will be caught up.

    • Heather

      Lets remember that when Paul said at The Last trump he wasn’t speaking about the 7th Trumpet of Revelation. It wasn’t even written when he wrote to the Corinthians.

      So ask your self, where did Paul get this last trump and when was the 1st trump ever blown?

      If you remember back in Exodus 19 when God spoke His voice was the Trumpet! This was the first time God’s voice sounded like a Trumpet.

      In Numbers 10. God instructed Moses to make 2 silver trumpets. Which are a mirror or a shadow of things in heaven.

      Silver in the bible is always a picture of salvation and redemption. If you read you will see that when they are blown they are for gathering a people. Preparing them for a journey. Also they are blown when going to war so God can save them from their enemies.

      So the 1st trump was blown for the nation of Israel to take them on a journey to the promise land.

      The last trump is for the church to gather them and take them to heaven as you will see in these next verses.

      Key verse: Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen (Rev.1), and the things which are (Rev.2-3), and the things which shall be hereafter(Rev.4-22);

      In Revelation 1, John hears a voice that sounds like a trumpet which speaks to him. He turns around to see who’s this voice is and he sees Jesus the Christ!

      Then in Rev. chapters 2-3 Jesus has a message to the Believers or churches. Some great, some good and others bad.

      To the church or believers of Thyatira in Rev 2:22 Jesus says, …Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

      Jesus said the same thing in Luke 21:36 – Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

      Rev.4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

      Its as Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 – For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

      1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

      Isaiah 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

      This is also where Matthew 25:10 takes place.

      Then in Revelation ch. 5 you read about the church in Heaven.

      Revelation 6 through 18 is the Tribulation.

      Revelation 19 is the 2nd coming and we come back with him. (See Joel 2:16, Jude 1:14) The judgement of the nations, this is also where He separates the sheep from the goats.( See Matthew 25:32) The anti-Christ and false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire.

      Revelation 20 Satan is bound in the bottomless pit, the 1000yr reign of Christ and The Great White Throne Judgement.

      Revelation 21 The New Heaven and Earth, The New Jerusalem and The Millennial Temple.

      Revelation 22 is the Glory of God. Jesus is the Alpha & Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

      Hope this helps and sheds light on a Hot Topic that many believers and non believers alike seem to twist, confuse, hate or ignore.

      Be blessed!

      • Gerardo Rivera

        I am not sure if it was a reply to my comment, but I do appreciate the answer and your explanation of it. It definitely gives a lot to think about (I didn’t even think about the fact that Corinthians was written decades before the book of Revelation). Solid theory backed up by Scripture, that’s how I like it served!

        Thanks for taking the time to write this up, as it is solid and well done. You also brought up that God’s voice sounds much like a trumpet. Seems I’ll truly be in Heaven just by hearing God speak, as my most favorite instrument to hear are trumpets and violins (most of my favorite songs or instrumentals have a trumpet blaring in the foreground or background). So if God does sound like this all the time, I’m sure going to enjoy hearing him talk!

        Once again, thanks for your comment, Heather. Good stuff to consider!

  • Lori Low

    No, he was wrong before and is correct now. We christians dont fancy the idea of suffering and created a ‘quite complicated’ doctrine on the rapture. Even of only one verse of scripture is used, it totally proves him right, which is Matthew 24:29. Those 80% of americans who believe in the pre-rapture , have invented a whole lot of manipulation of scripture and indeed have deceived many. The catch? Simple, Satan knows that they wont be ready to tolerate persecution and suffering, and will deny the faith. Yes, it is a lie, just like he said, and I am happy that at least one american, found someting so vital.

    • MJ

      Do you have proof they’ll deny the faith?

      Why do Post-Tribbers falsely assume that when the Tribulation begins, those who aligned with the Pre-Trib view will suddenly break away from the faith?

      Are you simply assuming that when we find out we’re still here that we’ll suddenly lose faith, get mad at God, and walk away?

      Um… no? Any Christian who studies prophecy would KNOW that Christ will return in EXACTLY 7 years!! Why on earth would we walk away just because we didn’t get raptured? Where’s the logic in that assumption? Do you really believe some people to be that stupid?

      Sure, it stinks that the Bride gets beaten by the Groom, but hey! Now we get to participate in the Great Logjam U-Turn Event that is the Post-Tribulation Rapture! So there’s that to look forward to…. I think…

      • Roxanne

        BINGO! you nailed it. I find it laughable that pretribbers get blamed for the falling away when the majority of the church at large doesnt even believe we are living in the end times. Falling away? If the post/mid/6 seal tribbers havent been paying attention the falling away has already started in the form of emergent churches, purpose driven, charasmaniac lying signs and wonders domininionist, chrislamic, word of faith, seeker sensitive mega churches and social justice churches. Those following and believing THOSE churches will fall away and follow the antichrist when he comes. I am fine with pretrib. I look forward to Jesus return. I am all for stepping it up and witnessing to as many people as possible as we see that day approaching. and If by chance i find myself in the tribulation because its not pretrib.it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever that ive been relagated to falling away. i mean come on! 7 years to the consummation of history to Christs Kingdom. and if i die. I get there sooner. sounds like a win win situation to me. I find it interesting the wicked “servant” in Matthew 24 who says my master delays His coming and proceeds to beat his fellow servants and eat and drink with the drunkards….. <—- sounds like they are mocking us as the spiritual drunks of the New apostolic reformation who make fun of pretribbers all the time as well

        • Heather

          Amen Roxanne!

        • aka Glory

          Amen Roxanne, Amen Jimmy. The saved will be gone on the First TRUMP. We DO NOT live thru the Great Tribulation. After the Rapture of the true saved believers, There will be NO more Holy Ghost, NO more church, all Left Behind minister’s and priests will be lynched and killed, NO more Love, NO more families, NO more welfare, and the world will be full of demons and demon possessed people released for the End Times who are nothing but Pure Hate. The mega churches today serving alcohol and coffee and entertaing the crowds and smiling at sin and embracing it will be screaming for their lives. The left behind Jews will go thru a Worldwide Holocaust never imagined. The children will all be gone and it will be every man for himself, take what you want, sorta like what Germany is experiencing now from the immigration of non-believers, defecation on front yards, women being raped nite and day, stolen food and goods and they walk in and out of stores and homes in crowds WITHOUT paying. It will be like that.
          Hurry and Obey the Will of God in book of Acts chap. 2;4;8;10;19;22. See above posts. The RAPTURE is very, very soon and Irvin Baxter has been deceived by the mystic lying kabbalists. Muslims have been deceived by Muhammad. They both follow the Hindi vedic, Shiva, God of destruction, who came from the Hindu temple of Kaaba and worshipped Allah ( the Unknown God). Both religions, the Jewish cabalists or Kabbalists and Muslim kaaba + Allah: all got roots from 600 pagan gods. See the name: kabbalah is from hindu vedic kaaba + allah. Mecca was an old hindi lingam to Shiva and 599 other gods. Google images. See satellite view of MECCA AND VATICAN CITY. BOTH MATCH. And C.E.R.N. the inventor of web internet in Switzerland, mascot is Shiva. Google the “Atlas building in Switzerland ” and see Images. Go to Images on google for all the above especially Hindu or Hindi lingams. See fertility shape matching ancient Egyptian Ankh male and female sign of gods of fertilty. See the matching correlation and truth of satan Perverting the world and the Antichrist is Pope Frances, thru Shiva. See image of Shiva wheel==Same image on back of Pope Francis. Turn the emblem on his robes and wafer holders(Monstraces) of his “IHS” around upside down. It now spells “SHI” short for Shiva. See upside down cross, the sign of Lucifer, embedded into robes. The trident is there of satan. Great trick, huh? Anti christ is here folks. Look again. Google images. Pope fufills book of Daniel. Look at images of “MONSTRACES” the catholic host wafer holder. Look closely at the Crescent Moon in the bottom of circle. Shiva was given the Crescent Moon, as the Muslims, Catholics and the Hindi Trinity, all possess the Crescent moon to the god Shiva. Google images for: Trimurti, the Hindi trinity, the origin of the lies of trinty, see the original Trinity of Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, those are all men with lipstick. Also the many arms on One statue represent 3 persons in one godhead: the original lie of satan. . GOD IS ONE AND HIS NAME IS JESUS.
          Whew all that the Lord showed me this summer. Revelation knowledge when u OBEY ACTS 2:38. Wait till the Muslims realize they are following a Jewish book the Kabbalah, from the Hindus. They are all following the same centuries old LIES of satan so cleverly weaved by the black widow himself. But I got wise to the serpent and just Exposed Him . Another tidbit of info: I have a Cathic workbook from 1986 and see todays Catholic websites, read ,10 commandments posted carefully. They have deleted no. 2, that says Not to make images and Not to bow down to them. Now you ask Why would the Catholics delete that specific commandment? Because the Anti christ will require you to Bow Down and Worship His image in the Great Tribulation. Now google how many statutes are already constructed and ready for worship. Voila 5 images are up and ready. See France 2006, that is a big one. See Poland, see So. America, the Pope homeland. Yep the Antichrist is already here and riding on his White Horse, the Popemobile. Revelation. Revelation. The black horse, the false prophet: see Superior General Adolfo Nicolas, and his Extreme Oath of the Jesuits. Google the crest of the Jesuits and an Egyptian black scarab. Lay pics side by side, what do you see? DO YOUR HOMEWORK. LOOK UP ALL I SPOKE OF ON GOOGLE Image.

      • billy

        It’s simple, because that’s exactly what the bible teaches. The tribulation is to Weed out the fakes

        • aka Glory

          No you are wrong, the harvest of the wheat is the Rapture of the church at the First Trump. The Great Tribulation is to burn up tge Weeds, the unclean, unsaved, the sinbers, who did not Obey book of Acts salvation plan The Will given by JESUS for us to Obey. The Great Tribulation is the Bonfire of The “Weeds” Left behind. The Weeds will be fried and burnt. He promises to burn up the weeds. The Wheat is the bride of Christ, the True Church, obedient to Acts 2:3:& 19:1-6. See above posts. Dont be a Left Behind Deceived Weed. I hate lots heat. I live food and heading for that banqueting table in the sky for the Great Wedding of The Bride (saved church) and my groom: Jesus Christ. The fakes are Left Behind. He is already “sorting us out” . The grim reaper is coming soon.

        • Heather

          As if God doesn’t know who the fakes are already?

  • NinjaOfFaith

    Very glad to hear Dr. Hovind is out of prison! The world system persecuted this guy mercilessly, for his teachings proving evolution is a lie. Then trumped up charges, followed by getting slammed with TEN YEARS! He didn’t do anything deserving ONE DAY in a concrete box!

    I first found out about his story last year, and was very saddened to learn how the anti-Christian authorities were so furious with him, that they persecuted him unrelentingly. This man is brilliant and a top notch Preacher.

    While he might have not studied up on the rapture yet, he is still an inspiration for the stand he’s taken for the faith, over and over in so many ways. He’s probably led more people to Jesus than I have, that’s for sure.

    If it hasn’t already, the story of his anti-evolution work would be interesting here. And let everyone know exactly how he ended up in prison-what was his crime? This man is no criminal, he was basically imprisoned for teaching the Biblical version of creation, and preaching against darwins theory of evolution. The charges were completely bogus.

    I’m glad Dr. Hovind survived and is free again. 🙂

    • The show is not about his time in prison or about evolution vs. creation, Tonight’s show is about Bible doctrine, hope you will tune in!

    • Vic

      Although we followed and supported Dr. Hovind’s ministry for several years, what he did to end up in jail was not persecution nor trumped up. I will listen to see if he repented of his actions. He ended up in jail because he was not withholding for, nor reporting income tax for employees, because of his personal stance that the government had no right, and that we do not have to pay if we disagree (and an unfortunate witness to his family and employees). At that time, I thought of Jesus and Peter, “render unto Caesar”. I do not know him personally, however, I believe that we can stand on the Bible and do not need to mix our version of politics or government into the Word. If we honor Jesus and the Word, the Lord will be with us and see us through.

      • billy

        Except for the fact that it was bogus charges, he went to prison for structuring basically for taking his own money out of the bank. There is absolutely no law that requires an employer to withhold taxes, when the employer does not hold out taxes it is up to the employee to file their own taxes correctly. Learn some tax law before you judge

  • Crimson

    Christians are suffering NOW. As they have since Jesus was walking physically on the earth. (Which He still does through us) He is our Head, we are His Body. So let me ask Geoff a question. Were all those Christians who were burned at the stake by pagan Rome and the “holEy roman empire” INQUISITORS dying in vain? I think they SUFFERED! Oh ya, they suffered. If you are NOT willing to suffer for Jesus (not on purpose not RCC ideas like flaggelation etc) but not willing to die for your faith in Jesus and His Word, what good are ya, I mean what do you believe? Geoff is in love with the enemies of Jesus Christ. PERIOD. Geoff refuses to see the truth in MANY areas. I’m constantly censored on this web site.

    • Why do you lie? You have never been censored one time if your comments were free of profanity, racial insults and/or threats of violence.

      • Crimson

        @ Geoff – That is a LIE

    • @Crimson

      What about the Christians within the last 100yrs that died peacefully in their sleep like my father? Are you saying that they’re all in Hell because they didn’t SUFFER like martyrs hundreds of years back??

      Both your logic and biblical stance is completely idiotic.

      • aka Glory

        You’re father is with the Lord for sure. True story: My sister and brother were both saved from sin and baptised with Holy Ghost by obeying Acts 2:38; 19:1-6; as WRITTEN in the WILL of God. I was not saved yet. My grandmother, a God fearing, Jesus believing baptist, and not baptised in Jesus name nor baptised and filled with the holy ghost as they were. I obeyed 7 years later after her death.
        Well, the day she was buried, my sister was crying, alone in her bedroom. My brother came in and told her grandma was in Hell because she had Not obeyed Acts 2:38. SHE DID NOT SPEAK IN TONGUES NOR OBEYED JESUS NAME BAPTISM. She was a good Baptist. He walked out of room. My sister told the Lord if our very Christian grandma did not make it to heaven, then forget it, she was going to quit church and never going back.
        Well, suddenly, a huge ten foot angel from heaven, appeared thru the wall of her bedroom, and reached his hand towards her and spoke and said “Fear not, your grandmother is with the Lord”. And he left. Why did God send that message? Because 7 years later I needed my sister to still be in church when I needed to find JESUS and His truth in the Will of God.

        Now we are the chosen people of the End of Days, and in order to get off this EARTH during the RAPTURE, still in the LIVING breathing sinful flesh bodies, this generation needs to be washed in the water in Jesus Name to remove sin, because Nothing Unclean can enter the holy of holies. We are going up in the FLESH, not just our soul. Our flesh can only be Changed into a glorified body if it is pure from and cleansed from ALL Sin. See Acts chapter four (4). !!!!
        No. 2. He is going to draw his holy spirit/ ghost off the Earth when he returns. You have got to.be connected and bound to His Spirit by the COVENANT legal agreement between you and God, baptized and filled as commandments Acts 2:38&19:1-6. If you DONT OBEY THOSE COMMANDMENTS AND DO THEM AS WRITTEN IN THE LAST WILL & TESTAMENT OF GOD TO US, YOU WILL LOSE THE INHERITANCE PROMISE of getting out of the fire of the Great Tribulation.
        So those that have died before the RAPTURE are safe, if you are still alive on THE DAY OF THE RAPTURE, YOU need to obey the commandments in Acts 2:1-47 & 19:1-6; 22:16. Heb. 10:22. Yes you do. Dont be a Left Behind Weed to be burnt up in the fire as grass and stubble. Remember there will be No more Holy Ghost or churches or synagogues after the RAPTURED Moment.
        It does Say all liars are going to hell, three times it says that. It says All men, ( including the Pope and priests and pastors and rabbis, etc. ) are liars, let God be true. So if your Spiritual leader is not following the Will of God for salvation from Sin as WRITTEN and Commanded us to do, I would get out of that place right now. If you have only been baptised by Matthew in trinty office titles you need to be re-baptised in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Obey book of Acts all chapters starting with 1 to 22. Read those five times and find Truth. Then dont lie and you will not be a Left Behind Weed of disobedience and rebellion to the Will of God. His only legal and binding COVENANT to get us into the holy city. You cannot delete or extract or remove or skip over or say.those commandments are not for us today. If you tell people that, YOU are a liar. Both peter and paul were Jews. The Christian church is Jewish. ALL created in Book of Acts. Same message preached to all churches. Read it. All of it, not just pick and choose.

  • Brian

    I’m very happy Dr.Hovind is out of prison. However it is disappointing that he changed his view on the Tribulation(big T). One of the biggest hopes we have as a Christian is not going thru Gods wrath. I think in a time of doubt he changed his mind to the false view.
    The timeline is simple and clear, God raptures His church, then raises two witnesses and 144,000 people to spread the Gospel after we leave. Why would He keep the church on earth and the witnesses and the 144,000 at the same time. It goes back to the time before the church that’s why it’s called Jacobs trouble.

    • Brandon

      There is so much confusion about Gods wrath. If you follow the chain of events then the wrath isn’t until the very end of the tribulation and we who are alive and remain are caught up as Jesus is coming down. The 6th seal, the 7th trumpet and the 7th vial are all talking about the same event. The 7th trumpet is the catching up of Believers. How many times can the sun and moon go dark and all the stars fall from the heavens? The judgements line up with each other it’s not all the seals, then all the trumpets then all the vials. The vials finish the judgements and they they are the wrath. The 6 the seal appears to be after the trib and rapture.

      Best try reading the judgments as 1,1,1 and 2,2,2 and so on.

  • Brian

    People with a post tribulation view in no way know the whole bible, just a few verses taken out of context and applied to the wrong people. That’s all I ever see them doing, they also gang up like when ever people speak the Truth on blogs. Very disappointing-

    • Brandon

      Wow! There are ZERO pre-trib verses in the Bible. Irony.

      • Don

        Paul called t a Mystery/Secret. Only people who can discern the bible will see it. I am left aghast how any Christian can read Rev. 19, where we come back to earth with Jesus after being in Heaven, and the Anti-Christ and all his minions are STILL ON EARTH, and still do not get there is a Rapture. I can explain the IMMEDIATELY AFTER and the the Saints being overcome in Revelation, you can not explain Rev. 19.

        Immediately after the tribulation, us Saints come back with Jesus !!!!!!
        The Saint being overcome are Jews who became believers, though most will be protected in the wilderness, and people who became Christians after the Rapture.

        Now explain how Revelation chapter 19 is overcome by Post Tribbers ?

  • Brother Geoffrey. We will be praying for your interview with Kent Hovind. He is being mightily used of Satan right now to spread his false doctrines against the rapture. Don’t hold back!

    • Thank you, brother 🙂 am very much looking forward to the show tonight, your prayers much appreciated!

    • Bryan – my wife and I enjoy your videos. I have referred people to your NIV is sick video. I’d love for you to check my brief history of the KJV vs. the ridiculous new versions if you are able. The KJV is clearly the only choice, as I figured out a few months ago:
      http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2015/10/24/the-bible-version-controversy-a-brief-history/

      • aka Glory

        Absolutely. KJV. The only choice. I saw in newer versions deleted scripture 1 John 5:7, showing God is One and not three persons. See prev. Posts. Also, if you witness to a Catholic the Last WILL and New Testament does match KJV exactly. They only added extr books to the Old testament, the first COVENANT. The Catholics are trained and taught only to use their BIBLE. So go ahead, let them. I taught ,3 Catholics and a Nun, several.Nuns, the truth of Acts chap. 1 to 22. 2:1-5; & 2:38; where Jewish Mother Mary was in the upper room.on the day of Pentecost, was filled with the Holy Ghost again, the second time, and had to repent of her sins, and was baptised under the water and BURIED in the Name of her Son, JESUS CHRIST, as in Acts chap. 2:1-47. She was added to the church that day, after listening and obeying what Peter said to do. Well, Mary said to always listen to her Son, and DO what He SAYS to DO. He told Peter to build his church on the Rock, and gave Peter the keys. That Rock was Christ 1 Corin. 10:4.
        So, if it was good enough for Mother Mary, why wouldn’t YOU Do what His mom did. The nuns were shocked.
        Right there in their own bibles. Do what Mother Mary did, and she never ever died on the cross for our sins and she nor or any priest can remove sins. Only the NAME of JESUS has the Power to remove sins. The office titles in Matthew doesnt remove one spec of sin, it just proves your Spiritual leader has No Understanding to the Will of God, and lacks Wisdom because he is Not saved from his sins either. God Bless. You gotta go down to Jerusalem where Jesus told them to begin His church. Paul ended with the Exact Same Message to Gentiles in Acts 19 & 22:16. Same truth COMMANDED the believers to DO IT, not just a hearer. DO IT.

  • Chase

    Why the Church Will Not Go Through the Great Tribulation Mat. 24:21
    1. The Church is not found anywhere on earth in Revelation chapters 6 through 19.
    2. The Church is waiting for the Lord, not for the Tribulation – I Thes. 1:10
    3. The Church is not appointed unto wrath – I Thes. 5:9; 1:10
    4. The Church, consisting of Spirit-filled believers, must be removed before the Antichrist can be revealed – II Thes. 2:1-11
    5. The Tribulation is a Jewish time known as Daniel’s seventieth “week” (Dan. 9:24-26), and the “time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jer. 30:7)
    6. The Church returns from Heaven with Christ at the end of the Tribulation – Rev. 19:11; Jude 14

    • Brian

      Amen- how people can confuse this is mind blowing-

    • Spot on, spoken like a Bible believer!

    • RooiValk

      Well done!!! +1

    • aka Glory

      Amen. Amen. Amen. I am not a weed to be left behind snd burnt. The weeds will be left behind, not the wheat. The reaper is sifting right now. Be READY. Obey the Will of God Acts 2:1-47. 19:1-6:; 22:16. No skipping scriptures is allowed or you will miss the Promise of the INHERITANCE. God Bless

    • Bride won’t go through great tribulation, it can’t happen as long as She’s Here, Daniel’s seven week of years can only follow her disappearance, see, Ephs. 2, the Bride still being here, prevents it, http://www.thefourthofthegodhead15.blogspot.com

  • Leonard

    Geoff is causing many of us to study our Bibles. We’re not all in agreement on the Rapture–I’m a post-tribber–but we’re all checking and rechecking our beliefs, and that, in my mind is GREAT!. Thanks Geoff–no matter what others may be saying, you ARE doing The Lord’s work!

  • Clay

    Geoff, I’m on your side. Tonight would be a great time to bring up Luke 21:35,36. This coincides with the topic and very scary, but I don’t know for who; (have an idea). I will be listening. Praise JESUS, THE MESSIAH.

  • For all you post tribulationists. Have you considered this? Explain this to them tonight or on the Sunday night show Geoff.
    1Thessalonians 4: 13-18
    Why would Jesus “rapture” us out to HIM up in the air to the “clouds”, at the end of the Tribulation, when HE, comes back to earth at His 2nd Coming, to establish His 1000 year Reign in Jerusalem? SO WE GO UP TO BE WITH HIM, AND THEN IMMEDIATELY COME RIGHT BACK DOWN; hi guys, just a quick ride to show you a view from earth. GIVE ME A BREAK. WHERE IS YOUR COMMON SENSE SCRIPTURALLY?
    Geoff, they are not reading all the scriptures and ” rightly dividing the Word of Truth. Explain this scriptural synopsis to them.
    BTW, I have been reading and studying the KJV for over twenty years, and looked at the mid and post trib view and they are not there; can’t find them. If they were, we would not be having this conversation.
    May the Lord Bless you.

    • Lots of ground to cover tonight, brother, glad you will be listening!

    • aka Glory

      Amen. Perry stone said the same thing, why would we be taken out and suddenly do a U turn. That is very stupid. We are outta here by Rev. CHp. 5 & 6. Gone. The RAPTURED bride of CHRIST, the church of the Book of ACTS chap. 1 to 22. Read all, no skipping is allowed. Then OBEY and DO IT, the WILL as WRITTEN or you are in rebellion to the WILL of God, which is the sin of witchcraft. What can you lose by Being buried and washed under water only In the NAME JESUS??? Ha maybe your Sjns of disobedience to the WILL of God, the legal binding COVENANT signed and sealed in His Blood. WITHOUT Doing it as WRITTEN there is No credit to the debit applied. The accounting is off, the books still have you recorded as a sinner. You are Not Saved bt Grace until The GRACE IS “Said Over You”. Say His Name Jesus. Hiw hard is it to say”I BAPTIZE YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS”. ????
      How hard is that? Now you have applied The Power of The Only Name that can Remove Sin, you have now SAID GRACE over your sin, you Did it as all the Apostles Did it. You OBEYED THE WRITTEN LAW ABIDING LEGAL DECREE AND LAST AND BETTER COVENANT OF OUR GID, JESUS CHRIST. And Now you are definitely RAPTURE READY if He comes and you are still standing and breathing in that nasty flesh. Your body will now have the ability to be glorified because it has been washed and buried inJIS NAME.
      Those office job titles in Matthew I repeat do Not remove Any sin, you are still a sinner. Run from or beg you SPIRITUAL leader to DO IT as Commanded to us. Do it the way Matthew did it. He obeyed Acts 2:38. He heard Jesus tell them to go to Jerusalem. No one stayed behind, they obeyed Jesus.
      The thief on the CROSS was only saved, because Jesus, Only Gid can forgive sin and was right there nect to.him on the cross to do it. the testator of the Last and Better COVENANT had Not died yet, the Last Will and Testament plan for salvation from sin could not start until the Testator of the WILL had died. To prove that the old testament sacrifices were done and finished, he ripped the veil in the old temple from the top to the bottom, opening the way for all of us, Jew and Gentile to approach His throne. We could enter the holiest if holies ourselves. Repentance came from the heart, to him. Not with animal blood anymore or thru Chickens used by Jewish rabbi Kabbalists, Zionists today to remove sin at Yom Kippur. Google “Kapparot”. The Jews replaced Jesus with chickens for atonement and whip themselves in “Malkot”. Google those words and the nonsense of confused people who reject the Will of God, free to all persons on the earth. It is so simple Acts 2: 38, 3 easy, unarguable steps to Salvation from Sin. Ahh, and so many proud people and SPIRITUAL leaders debate and argue and strive over such a simple plan given to us by JESUS.
      Matt. 28:19, read above 28:18, you Need the POWER OF THE NAME. JESUS CHRIST TO REMOVE SIN. THERE IS NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN BY WHICH WE MAY BE SAVED FROM SIN. NO OTHEF NAME. OBEY, DO IT, AND TAKE YOUR TKME WHEN YOU COME OUT OF THAT WATER IN THE NAME OF JESUS. HEAVEN WILK OPEN AND GOD WILL DESCEND AND WELL DONE, THOU GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT. Acts 2:38=19:1-6. God Bless

    • jonathan

      thats not the case at all, dr kent hovind explain very clear tha the 7 years period start with an treaty by the anti christ and the rebuilt of jew temple, then in the middlethe the anti christ desolate the temple, then 3.5 years later or the last of the 7 year period and the rapture take place then it begins 2.8 years or 1040 days of warth of god on earth and christians in heaven then when the warth of god end on 1040 jesus return to reign 997.2 years,

      Dr. Kent hoving gets the 1040 days by resting 2300 days to 42 months (great tribulation, the last 3 1/2 years from the 7th week of Daniel) , in the middle of the 7 years the anti christ desolate for 2300 days resting 1260 days/3.5 years, the result is 1040 wich is the 1000 years milleniun year reign of christ, the fist 2.8 years of the day of the lord/ 1000 reign of christ has to parte the fisrt bad wich is the wrath of god and then the blessing 997 years of reign of christ

      • As I can recall, Harold Camping had a lot of “crazy math” like that when he wrote his book “1994”. Different day, same junk.

        • jonathan

          is from the bible , you cant squeeze the seven year period all the seals, trumps and vials because the starting point is in the middle the seven years and you have 2300 days 6.3 years, of desolation on daniel 8:14 so it overlaps to the day of the lord / milleniun; so the pre rapture dont fit all (vials trumps seals ) in 7 seven years, i was pre trib and i change to post trib because of tha in a chart is so clear everyone can understand it

          • Do you believe that Christians in the age of grace have eternal security that we can never lose?

  • Walt

    I’m amazed that so many so-called serious Bible studiers have been snookered by that tired old canard of the rapture. Nowhere in the bible does the word ‘rapture’ appear. It’s a lie propagated by the antichrist Satan who will preceed Jesus with the message that he’s come to take them away. Away from what? We are instructed to be here and ready to fight Satan. Heaven will be right here on earth in the 3rd earth age. We’re not going anywhere. THERE IS NO RAPTURE! Use your Concordence to confirm this by studying each word of whatever scripture you use to justify your belief in the lie of the rapture. Even the bible specifically says, ‘I’m against those who teach people to fly to save their souls.’ Wake up people.

    • @Walt – No where in the Bible does the word ‘Bible’ appear. So what is your point?

      • RooiValk

        Jimmy,

        nowhere in the bible is the word Rapture, Trinity yet you believe in it, am i right?

  • Roxanne

    One of Kents problems is the fact he embraced the heretical teachings of W Paul Young and The Shack. Portraying God the Father as a female and portraying the Holy Spirit as female as well. Ex new ager Warren Smith spoke extensively of the new age implications of this blasphemous book. Kent recommended this book for everyone to read. I was completly shocked and floored

  • There sure are a lot of comments here, and the show didn’t even begin. 🙂

    In my opinion, what Brother Geoffrey is saying, when he is saying that post-tribulation thinking is “stealing the Christian’s blessed hope” is because Paul said in Titus 2:13…

    “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ….”

    We are not looking for wrath, nor are we looking for the “Tribulation” or (for that matter) the Antichrist. We are looking for the Lord Jesus Christ to come for us in the rapture of the believers. This is said to be a “mystery” (I Corinthians 15:51), while the Revelation of Jesus Christ is said to be an event that “EVERY [capital for effect 🙂 ] eye shall see him.” (Revelation 1:7). Is it a mystery or a Revelation? It can’t be BOTH!!!

    Any Christian who isn’t looking for the imminent return of their Saviour is not pleasing the One who gave them Eternal Life. And, any preacher/teacher who doesn’t promote the Biblical idea of the rapture of the body of Christ has stolen the Christians BLESSED HOPE.

    Pastor Bob

  • Laura

    Why are we letting this issue divide us? What would Jesus say to us for this unnecessary division among us? The rapture will happen when it happens. Until that time, we should be careful of what we say to each other and others, for we all will have to answer to God for every word we speak, type on our computers, etc. I might not completely agree with you, Geoffrey, on a Pretrib rapture, but I will continue to read the articles on your website and at least consider what you have to say. We are ONE body in Christ. Do not let the enemy divide us.

    • The enemy invades with FALSE DOCTRINE (Romans 16:17018 KJV). The post-trib is false doctrine invading the body of Christ!

      • Brian

        I totally agree with you @jimmy- if people only picked up their bibles and read them literally and chronologically this separation would disappear

      • billy

        Which is exactly what he did with the false doctrine of the pre-trib rapture. The early church were all post tribulation believers this pre-trib nonsense is fairly new. It is a doctrine for weak Christians scared of tribulation

        • Heather

          Wikipedia.org
          There are many views among Christians regarding the timing of Christ return ( including whether it will occur in one event or two ), and various views regarding the destination of the aerial gatherings described in 1 Thessalonians 4
          Denominations such as Roman Catholic’s, Orthodox Christians, Lutherans, and Reformed Christians believe in a rapture only in the sense of a general final resurrection, when Christ returns a single time. They do not believe that a group of people is left behind on earth for an extended Tribulation period after the events of 1 Thessalonians 4 : 17.

          Information like this, though not from the word of God, yet still has a way of putting things into perspective, such as in where confusion of God’s Word originates from, groups following group’s beliefs instead of the Word of God.
          Matthew 15:14
          Let them alone : they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

          • froggie

            AMEN!!

  • “After, by his own admission, “believing in the Pretribulation Rapture for over 40 years”, he now calls that doctrine a “lie of Satan”.”

    While still on earth, it’s never too late to repent. He is right. There are NO pre-tribulation rapture. We are not appointed to wrath, but we will have tribulations. Too many people confuse tribulations (from our enemies) with the wrath from God. They are two differents things. The end-time false “church” that commit adultery will be cast in the great tribulation (Revelation 2:22), while true Christians will be KEPT (not raptured to heaven) from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. (Revelation 3:10)

    TOO BAD TOO MUCH PEOPLE CANNOT READ THEIR BIBLE WITHOUT FIRST REMOVING THEIR FALSE PRECONCEIVED IDEAS BUT INSTEAD PREFER TO DISTORT THE SCRIPTURES TO DEFEND THEIR FALSE PRECONCEIVED IDEAS.

    To those Jesus said : “…anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.” (Revealation 3:18)

    • Albert E. Dixon

      So you’re saying Pre-Wrath Rapture ?

  • Gerardo Rivera

    Good to see Kent Hovind is no longer in jail. This man changed my life forever, deprogramming 12 years of evolutionary teaching from public schools with a few hours of seminar videos (which I still have to this day). He set me ablaze in trusting in the Bible as truly the inspired work of the living God, who sent his Son to pay for my sins. Whether you wholly support his views or not, he has excellent teachings on creation, dinosaurs, the sciences, etc. Definitely worth looking up his seminars from about 10 years ago (maybe he will put out some updated ones). If you don’t agree with this views, you can do what he recommends: “Eat the meat and spit out the bones”.

    Not sure how much jail has changed him, but it will be an interesting chat nonetheless. I just hope the long stint in jail has changed him so dramatically that he has gone into full-blown heresy. Time will tell. Whether you believe in a pre-trib, post-trib pre-wrath, or post-trib rapture, we can agree: There is a rapture of the saints. I subscribe to pre-trib as it was how I learned about the rapture, but the pre-wrath people do have excellent points that can’t be outright dismissed, such as the “last trump”.

    We will see how it all plays out. Either case, I see daily news articles of my brothers and sisters losing their lives in various countries for the Gospel. Persecution and tribulation can hit us at any time. America used to be the exception, but now they are leaning toward how the rest of the world usually views Christians, which is usually in a negative light. I read a comic about two Christians leaving an area called “America for the last few hundred years” and coming to a place that says “Most of the world since the early church: Welcome! We don’t like you!”

    Here’s the comic if you are interested: http://adam4d.com/welcome-to-normal/

    Whether I am gone before seeing the face of the AntiChrist or teaching my friends and family that the two prophets in Israel are truly sent of God and why so and so is so staunchly against him because he is the AntiChrist, I am ready for the persecution to come. Let us all be ready for the persecution to come, as our brothers and sisters are getting regular doses of this throughout the world.

  • RobiMac

    Geoffrey, how could you interview this man? Jesus told His church that He will be coming to take us from this world before he sends His judgments on it. I used to like listening to him. He seemed to always be spot on about creation. And, I even disregarded the fact that he was in prison for tax evasion even though it is certainly wrong to do such a thing. I consider that if he is truly a believer, he will just have to be surprised when we are caught up. So, if you’re gonna have this man on your show or whatever, speaking heresies, you can count me out. I will never listen to anyone who sets out to destroy my faith.

    • Don’t ever be afraid to talk and debate with people who believe different than you do. If you have fulfilled 2 Timothy 2:15, and are saved and filled with the Holy Spirit, then you will be given the words to say at the right time. NTEB is a place for people to learn the Bible, and it is also a place to contend for the faith against all comers.

    • billy

      Except for the FACT that Christ never once said that we would not go through the tribulation. He said we are not appointed to wrath. The early church believed in the Post-trib rapture. Why do so many westerners think they are so much more special that the real Christians that are being killed for their faith?

  • No one knows the time of any future events – not even Satan. The Lord is preparing many believers for something – we don’t even know what it is – we continue to study The Word with prayer for His purpose for us to be revealed to each of us in His perfect time. To spend any time setting dates is wrong. Making the rapture the center of any ministry, as a Christian, I find offensive in nature. My moment by moment journey with The Lord is preparing me for whatever The Lord has in store for me – more than witnessing to those He has put in my path. Christians do have their heart and soul in Jesus / The Holy Spirit.

    • Don

      Correct, we will not no the day nor hour. If Jesus second coming was after the Abomination of Desolation we would know the exact day, for he is given 1260 days Exactly to rule after he steps into the temple and says I AM GOD. The second coming is in two parts, the Rapture is first, the us Saints who married the Lamb in Rev 19 come back on white horses with Jesus, IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation.

  • What happened to Kent Hovind? You are right, Geoffrey. Roland Rasmussen is ONE of many false teachers who have infected Kent Hovind. It started well BEFORE he went to prison. All Hovinds NEW dvds have an “ADD ON” at the end of each video where he gives the “plan of salvation” You will hear for yourself, Hovind “amend” GRACE SALVATION with his new position of the “damnable heresy” of RAY COMFORT, John MacArthur, and Roland Rasmussen, David Cloud and Bill Smith local ‘pastor’ from Northern Michigan. Hovind is preaching ANOTHER GOSPEL, adding “works of the Law” to God’s plan of salvation!

    Many people do not know this, but Hovind turned over his “evangelism” section of his website to the notorious “lordship Salvationist” RAY COMFORT, just before Hovind went to prison, over ten years ago. A flood of emails and phone calls went to Hovind’s headquarters in Florida, and soon you could no longer get through at all to his office. I believe this was the beginning of the end of Hovind’s ministry. As far as I know, Ray Comfort is still in control of the ‘salvation’ page on “Creation Science Evangelism”.

    There is a definite link, to “lordship salvation” and the denial of the pre-trib Rapture position. This idea of “enduring” and “overcoming” is laced through out the “lordship salvation” heresy, thus has ‘crept in alongside’ the pretrib rapture position and infecting the ’church’ with post trib-pre-wrath rapture lies. Hovind’s close association with Steve Anderson in a documentary “After the Tribulation” stars Hovind full infected by Roland Rasmussen, Ray Comfort, Paul Washer and John MacArthur, ALL false teachers, and “accursed” twice, by apostle Paul. (Galatians 1:8-9)

    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Doctrines/Lordship%20Salvation/making_salvation_hard.htm

    • I agree with you 100% ‘hrgreenjr.’ I believe a LOT of ‘Lordshippers’ and ‘Post-Toasties’ may get an unpleasant surprise someday:

      MARANATHA!

    • billy

      Could you please explain why for 1700 years the the church believed in the Post-trib rapture? It was not until late about 200 years ago that people started this pre-trib nonsense.

      • RooiValk

        they were fed a lie by the catholic church, simple…

        the revelation knowledge came 200 years ago…

        • billy

          Lol, yeah ok. So the ones who lived closer to the time of Christ were wrong but 200 yes ago they figured it out. Lol by the way the Catholic Church believe in Pre-trib.

          • 100% not true. I was trained in Catholic schools for 12 years, and never ONE time did any priest, nun, bishop or monsignor ever speak one word about the Pretrib Rapture. Nice try.

      • hrgreenjr

        It is very unwise to base your understanding and beliefs about any Bible doctrine on recorded ‘church’ history. These records are tampered with, and ‘church history’ is laced with heretics, false teachers and unsaved false prophets. I personally do not care if any of the so-called ‘early church fathers’ was a neighbor next door to apostle Paul, that does not make them correct doctrinally! You have fallen for the biggest lie of all–TRUSTING IN THE TRADITIONS OF MEN AND NOT CHRIST! God warns us in Colossians 2:8 about listening to ‘philosophy’, the “traditions” and “rudiments of the world” and of “men“, that are full of false notions. Christians are being “beguiled” of their rewards by doing so.

        And you post-tribber, pre-wrath advocates who still insist on using Darby/MacDonald fiasco to prop-up your lop-sided eschatology are simply guilty of ignoring the Lord’s warnings, and unfortunately, Kent Hovind joined your team. He is not winning any points for truth resorting to men’s tradition. Yet, this “report” about Darby/MacDonald remains one of the center-pieces of Post-trib-prewrath mentality. The simple facts of SCRIPTURE aught to be the mantle-piece for ALL truth, regardless of “who said it first”.

        Fact #1 There are “blood-washed Saints” IN Heaven’s throne room, on their faces worshipping God who have been rewarded, crowned, and given “seats” (“thronos” thrones) of authority BEFORE any of the tribulation scroll “seals” are even opened by Jesus Christ! (Rev. 4:4 and 4:10) Not possible if post-trib, prewrath notions are correct! Also see Rev. 1:4-6 and Rev. 5:8-10 about the 24 elders being identified as the “church” as “blood washed kings and priests”. 30 years ago, these scriptures ALONE convinced me the pre-trib Rapture was the correct position biblically.

        Fact #2. The “church” is IN HEAVEN in Rev. 19:1-10 being wedded to the Lamb and is called the “Lamb’s WIFE” wearing “WEDDING GARMENTS” Grk, “bussinos“ (Christ’s Righteousness) given ONLY to the bride! This all happens BEFORE the 2nd Coming, which begin in verse 19:11. (impossible if post-tribbers are correct!)

        Fact #3. Jesus Christ “exits” Heaven with the “armies” following Jesus “OUT OF HEAVEN“, wearing none other but, “WEDDING GARMENTS” (bussinos, Grk.) worn ONLY BY THE BRIDE! (impossible, if post-trib is correct!) These are scriptural, detailed accounts AT THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS!

    • Andrew

      You guys are really hard-core. You seem to have equated the pre-trib rapture position almost with salvation. There are very good reasons why you could be completely wrong. I suspect the tribulation may occur/has occurred and you will not even recognise it.

  • Dr. Kent Hovind has uploaded 12 class videos on youtube:

    In the first video. at 16:55 he says to “rightly dividing the word of truth”. The question now is who ais doing this correctly…

  • Ler0n

    40 years is a long time to change position. We all know that the Scripture didn’t change during that time. I wondered if something happened in prison and whether this change in position was part of his release conditions. I hope to have more details tonight.

  • Please my friends, as time ticks off the clock, take up this sharp two-edged sword:
    http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/12/02/the-written-word-what-did-jesus-the-apostles-and-the-psalmists-say-about-the-written-word-of-god/

    …And take it up in the King James. Here is why the KJV reigns supreme:
    http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2015/10/24/the-bible-version-controversy-a-brief-history/

  • Good for him. I left the pre-trib rapture lie about a year ago.

    • PatriotGirl2010

      such a shame. Not a lie. Please read and understand your bible. GOD’s word does not return void.

  • PatriotGirl2010

    It’s a shame people can not read and understand the truth. THE Church aka Bride of Christ aka SAVED aka REDEEMED can not and will not go thru a tribulation.

    • Albert E. Dixon

      The Church will not go through God’s wrath, but the Church will go through Satan’s wrath. If you think you’re getting raptured prior to that, you’re sadly mistaken. I’ll pray for you!

      • Andrew

        I completely agree with you Albert. I cannot see how anyone can read the bible and come up with a pre-trib position – it is just not there. It is a shame that the excellent commentary on most things by this particular website also preaches a hard-core pre-trib position which is almost equated to salvation. I find it quite unnerving.

  • Robin

    If you believe the church is going through the tribulation then you believe another gospel of faith plus works. All who receive the mark have their part in the lake of fire. None of the bride of Christ will lose their salvation. Those who believe during the tribulation must endure to the end but if they accept the mark then they lose their chance at eternal life. Post trib is unscriptural and another gospel.

    • billy

      So Paul was lying when he said that faith without works is dead?

      • James wrote that verse and his audience was to the “twelve tribes scattered abroad” which were jewish believers of Jesus Christ in exile. Not Paul.
        James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
        James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

  • ZZZ

    … the Church was purified at the cross at which time all the punishment due us was born by the Lord Himself. From that time forward the Church is considered by God to be as righteous as He is (2 Cor 5:17 & 21) The idea that the Church needs to undergo some discipline to become worthy to dwell with God is not scriptural and denies the Lord’s completed work on the cross.

    …the stated purpose of the Great Tribulation is twofold, to purify Israel and completely destroy the unbelieving nations. (Jeremiah 30:1-11) The Church isn’t destined for either of these outcomes.

    …the Lord seems to keep Israel and the Church separate, never dealing with both at the same time (Acts 15: 13-18) If the primary purpose of Daniel’s 70th week is to finish fulfilling the six promises to Israel in Daniel 9:24, then the Church has to disappear.

    https://gracethrufaith.com/end-times-prophecy/defending-the-pre-trib-rapture-again/

    The Rapture has nothing to do with us and everything to do with Jesus Christ.

  • Amber Baker

    Just listened to the whole interview! Thank you for hosting it! A few good take always to continue praying about…! We need to keep our oil lamps ready, Jesus is coming Soon! As far as the Mark of the Beast goes, whether or not it is presented in our time still on earth or not, better safe than sorry, right? ~ Don’t take it!!! Jesus, thank You for Your Words of Truth! Please help us all to know and follow hard after You!

    • You don’t ever have to worry about taking the Mark of the Beast. One, the Church won’t be here for the Tribulation, and two, even if we were, we have eternal security. Bro. Hovind last night agreed with me that we have eternal security, and being eternally secure because of what Jesus did on the cross, we can never lose it.

      • Amber Baker

        Thank you! I’ve never questioned the Pre Trib position before a year or so ago. I have been reading and listening to some sincere Believers from Martus Ministry who have excellent reports on prophecy and current events. However, they hold to the Post Trib doctrine. They believe Obama is the Antichrist (not in full power yet) and Pope Francis is the False Prophet. Micro chips will be the Mark of the Beast. It’s been a lot to take in, and I’ve been so interested in learning more about the world news, etc…! I’ve been asking God for wisdom and discernment as both sides have very compelling information to share. God is awesome, loves us so much, is with us and is coming soon!

  • Gideon

    Geoffrey please prayerfully consider Kent’s words. Relisten and put before the Lord.
    I am nobody but in 1980 the Lord took me up into the second heaven, l was looking down on the earth from a stage Awsome, I looked and there stood my Lord his eyes were like blue flames they saw through my whole being right to my heart nothing was hidden from his sight. I felt naked I began to question him about the end of the world. He spoke of many tribulations and death martyrdom,( those dressed in white and where they had come from) I asked when this would be he said the times and the seasons aren’t for you to know there is only one who knows the day and the hour. I asked him where would the trouble come from, he said look to Babylon, I had no idea what that meant. My birthday is 04/19/1961. This date has significance. The shot heart round the world Lexington and concord.
    I have come to realize why to look to Babylon as source of trouble, mystery Babylon is a religion that goes back to the tower of Babel. See know your enemy / the fuel project.
    Regardless he then said to me now you are going back and remember this was not a dream. Immediately I was back in my bedroom with my heart pounding through my chest, it was if someone had just turned the light off my eyes needed to adjust to a dark room after being in a bright place I was 19 at the time we were in the middle of the Iranian hostage crisis. My thoughts at the time were it has started Babylon. Of course that had little to do with mystery Babylon religion which is now seeking hard the new world order.
    Please listen the fruit of a pretribulation rapture belief is to sit back and let evil have its way, we will be spaired. You see it in all American churches. We will be slaughtered by the millions, do you think the powers to be which are puppets to Satan would spend all that money on fema camps if they thought we would be raptured, war is coming I have a part to play if only to warn.

    • That’s quite the little story you tell, doesn’t line up with the Bible, but thanks for sharing it 🙂

  • Todd

    Bro. Grider, I also am pre-trib, I can’t believe dr. Kent has studied the bible that long and cant see that when Jesus was talking to his disciples privily, that matt 24 is still old testament times, because the death of the testator hadn’t died yet which would start the new testament according to Heb 9:16-17, we were born again after the death of the testator. There are no born again Christians in Matthew 24 because Christ isn’t dwelling in nobody in that chapter, neither is the Holy Spirit, so what is going to take them up if that is a rapture text. It’s the Holy Spirit who takes us out before the tribulation takes place at the sound of the trump of God. Also, he talked of Daniel chapter 9, where the bible plainly says 70 weeks are determined upon Thy people, not determined upon the born again new testament church, also, in John chapter 14, Jesus says He will receive us to himself, not the angels, John mentions nothing of those passages in Matthew, Mark, or Luke, and John is a type of the church, as was Enoch. Thanks again brother, please do have the brother back on, I sure would like him to return to his old belief. Stick to your belief, remember, we receive a crown for looking for our blessed hope.

    • Amen, well said. Bro. Hovind’s camp have already requested a second debate and we will be announcing that after the first of the year.

  • Crimson

    No I’m not saying that at all. You need to read. lausWhat I am saying is Christians will suffer persecution. They ARE! There is no escape. And if you think you will escape then you are sorely mistaken. The LORD Jesus said He sends us as lambs to the slaughter. The Holy Ghost will give us the words to say when we are tried. We will not suffer GODs’ wrath, but we will suffer persecution. All the Christians that have and are dying did not think they were the “special ones” who will not suffer. NO, they love the Lord Jesus and will not deny Him nor His word. Nor are they militant FOR the enemies of the LORD Jesus Christ. I truly believe where there is real suffering there you will find the true Church of God. BTW: I tried to respond to Geoff and guess what?

  • DBrown

    Looks like many of you have confused the word tribulation with Daniel’s 70th week. Daniel’s 70th week doesn’t begin until the last seal is broken, in which the 144,000 is sealed, which then allows the scroll of God’s wrath to be opened. Dr. Hovind is in agreement, the church is not appointed to wrath. The seals of Revelation are not God’s wrath, the scroll itself is. The 5th seal would make no sense whatsoever if it is God’s wrath. The Christian martyrs ask God how long until he avenges their blood, He says wait a little while, why? because His wrath doesn’t start until the scroll is opened. Christians have been going through tribulation since the 1st century, with the exception of modern Christians in western nations. This is why pre-trib belief only exists in the west, because the Christians in the middle east and asia would disagree that the church ‘isn’t’ going through tribulation. Matthew 24:29-31 will make sense without having to do mental gymnastics and creating a secondary rapture etc.

    • Don

      Hello Brother DBrown, the Seals are God’s wrath, it says so in Revelation chapter 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the WRATH of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of HIS WRATH is COME; and who shall be able to stand ?

      As per the 5th Seal, these are the Sants who were murdered for their Faith DURING the Tribulation (the Rapture of the Dead in Christ and those who were alive and remained has already happened ) they were given white garments and told to wait for awhile, because they have to wait on the Return of Jesus Christ and US SAINTS coming back with Jesus (Rev. 19) on white horses. Notice, they want revenge from THOSE ON EARTH….Rev. 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and AVENGE our blood on them THAT DWELL ON EARTH ? The 5th Seal is God/Jesus promising to avenge their blood.

      • aka Glory

        Nope, see above where I explain the horses in detail. The white horse in beginning of Rev. Is antichrist, the pope. See details above.

  • I am personally glad that he, as well as others (me being one), has abandoned a “Pre-Trib. rapture” idea, and replaced it with a scriptural truth that the Lord will take the body of Christ out as he descends to earth at his coming — AS THE BIBLE SAYS.

    (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: {17} Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

    It’s too bad that a majority of the saved will be very surprised that the “Pre-Trib. rapture idea is just a “pipe dream.” A hookah pipe, I do believe. 

    The reason why the “alive, and remaining” saved have no need to worry about “the time of Jacob’s trouble” (commonly called “the tribulation”) is they will be changed prior to any “tribulation of those days” and have a supernatural body which cannot be caused to do anything, especially caused to take any kind of MARK. 

    Bravo, Dr. Hovind…

    • What you say makes no sense at all! You are putting Christians in the time of Jacob’s trouble in glorified bodies on earth? Where does Paul say that??

      • aka Glory

        You are missing it, re-read Acts 16. Peter turned to the Gentiles in chapt. 10-11 and gave them the same message as the day of Pentecost. Paul came to the Gentile believers and gave them the same message in chap. 19 and 22:16. IT is right there plain as day what to do for Jew, and Gentile for salvation. Read the Book of Acts five times chap. 1-22 and you will see it. Later, that is the only Plan of salvation of grace given to us. in the book of Acts. then you go to Romans after you are saved by the water and the spirit. i hope you all get this before the RAPTURE, i really hope so……you need Acts 2:38 to get off this planet in the Rapture. anything short of that and you will be left behind…..You are skipping over scriptures. 2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
        STOP SKIPPING OVER PASSAGES….USE THEM ALL……you cannot cheat to get into heaven….watch http://www.cfcky.com video go watch both videos, every week until you get it. If ACTS 2:38 were not for today, if that was NOT FOR TODAY, then how come I can make it happen and see it happen every week, how come? it is still happening in our church, in my living room, on the street. i am praying people thru to the acts 2:38 baptism all the time…..it is for today… you need it.

    • Heather

      How do you explain Isaiah 26? Especially 26:19-21!

      Isa 26:19-21

      19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. 20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. 21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

      As you can see in verse 19-20 we are taken up into the Lords chambers then the Tribulation starts.

      Then in Joel 2:16 we come out of those same chambers. Then Come back at the 2nd coming to Armageddon. If you read Joel 2 This is the great and terrible day of the LORD.

      Joe 2:16

      Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.

      Look up chamber and closet and it has the same meaning.

      Also whoever said it was secret?

      Every believer is watching and praying as Jesus commanded in Luke 21:36.

      So this catching away “rapture” will not be a surprise to us.

      Rather to those foolish virgins (christians who are not prepared, lack faith or doubt) and every unbeliever, They will be left behind to go through the Tribulation. The Lord comes as a Thief unto them. Not us.

      <bHave you not read 1 Thessalonians 5?

      1Th 5:1

      But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be soberb. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

      There are 3 raptures happening around the time of the Tribulation.

      The Church is raptured up before the Tribulation.
      The 2 witnesses are raptured at the midway point.
      Then all those foolish virgins, those who became Christians, the elect and those that survived will be gathered together and seperated as sheep and goats at the end.

      If it all happened at the end like you suggest then who will go into the millenium for us to rule and reign over?

      If the rapture happened at the end then all you have is glorified immortal saints. Who will replenish the earth during the millenium?

      Your theory is in error according to the Word of God.

      For ages and the past 2,000 yrs everyone has had some kind of tribulation.

      Believe me Sir what is coming in the Tribulation is so great and far worst than anything that has ever happened on this planet.

      I believe scripture says it best.

      Jer 30:7

      Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

      Know when the door opens and the Lord says with the voice of a trumpet “COME UP HERE!” Me and other believers like me we are gone!

      If you want to stay no one is forcing you. God is a gentelman and He will not force you either. Once that door is shut don’t come crying for it to be opened up.

      Peace to all who are watching and waiting.

      Vengeance to all who are in disbelief.

      Which one will you choose?

      • aka Glory

        Excellent. Amen amen. Acts 2:38, is your RAPTURE ticket # to get out of here before all Hell literally breaks loose.

  • I will say it again, the rapture is not the issue here. Kent Hovind is teaching “lordship salvation”. RAY COMFORT is in charge of evangelism on hovind’s website! That’s the “CHANGE” that happened over 10 years ago that is the underlying motivation for everything else. Hovind NOW is teaching “endure to the end” to be saved!, instead of FAITH alone in Jesus Christ. IT is imperative that true believers see and understand this. Hovind is being used to attack GRACE SALVATION. “Lordship Salvation” is nothing more than “WORKS” salvation, disguised as the “gospel”! Any add-ons to FAITH ALONE in Jesus Christ, is “ANOTHER GOSPEL”, and a “curse” is upon those who bring it! Galatians 1:8-9 (twice repeated) WAKE-UP CHRISTIANS!!

    • Yes, I do agree that anyone teaching that Christians in the Age of Grace have to “endure to the end” is teaching a works-salvation plan. But Hovind tries to make an end-run around it by saying that “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” means to be saved from the Tribulation and not saved for salvation. The very next verse, however, shows plainly that Jesus is talking about salvation because He says its the “gospel” of that time.

      “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.” Matthew 24:14 (KJV)

  • Leonard

    What happened to the end of the broadcast last night? As Hovind was addressing the first questioner, the signal was lost, and the NEXT show on the network began to play? Very irritating…

  • Marian

    Very worthwhile interview, Geoff! I almost quit listening when he talked about Darby, but decided to see how you handled the sticking points. Irenaeus is another church father, circa 100 AD, who clearly believed the pre-trib rapture. There are others. So the McDonald story as the origin for the pre-trib rapture is false. Using it is to engage in logical fallacy. Horvind is either weak in historical facts or was deceived during prison, a time in his life when he must have been under extreme duress.

    I pray that Horvind’s period of persecution and false imprisonment will cause Christians to understand that you don’t have to do anything wrong to run afoul of authorities. The number of statues on the books make it so any person on any given day is guilty of breaking an average of 4 laws. On that basis, you do have something to hide, refuting the cry I often hear from those who see nothing wrong with the current police state.

    My belief in the pre-trib rapture doctrine was affirmed by this interview and I will be listening to the next one for more confirmation!

    • Amen, thank you! Much more to come on this subject as NTEB continues it’s stand for rightly dividing and the Pretribulation Rapture of the Church. And yes, I pointed out last night repeatedly that whatever the “early church fathers” either did or did not teach, and what other commentators in the last 2,000 years did or did not teach has no bearing on what the Bible teaches.

  • Heather

    Concerning the Judgement Seat of Christ;

    When Will It Happen?

    The Judgment Seat of Christ is reserved for the judgment of Christians only–born again believers in Christ Jesus. If a person is unsaved and dies in sin, he will be judged at the Great White Throne judgment following Christ’s millennial reign on earth.

    Many times the Judgment Seat of Christ is referred to by Biblical scholars as “The Bema Seat”. The reason for this is that the phrase “judgment seat” is taken from one Greek word, “bema” which translated from Greek means “judgment seat”. During the time of Christ, this word could refer to the platform on which a ruler or judge decided if a person was guilty of a crime. But in light of Paul’s many references to athletic competition in the New Testament, he was likely using the term as it applied to Greek sports. If the winner of a particular contest had followed the rules of competition and won, he was honored at the bema. There he was crowned with a laurel wreath.

    In the city of Corinth, a stone platform was constructed to support the Bema seat (judgment seat) of the local officials. The seat was used to give out awards to athletes for their competitive performances (usually a crown wreath of leaves), but also to address legal charges brought against individuals. The great Apostle Paul was quite familiar with this seat. This is where he was brought before Gallio, who was the proconsul of Achaia at the Bema seat (Acts 18:12). This seat was also what Paul referred to in 2 Corinthians 5:9-10 as the “Judgment Seat of Christ”. In this context, Paul explains to us that this is where the Christian will receive an evaluation for works done in the body, whether good or bad.

    2 Corinthians 5:9-10
    9 So we make it our goal to please him, whether we are at home in the body or away from it. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

    Note: In this second verse, the Greek word that is translated into English as “bad” is probably better understood as “worthless” or “useless to God’s kingdom”. (See 1 Corinthians 3:10-15)

    When Will It Happen

    The Judgment of believers will occur immediately following the rapture. The timing of the Judgment Seat of Christ is given in the following scriptures:

    In Luke 14:12-14, reward is associated with the resurrection. The rapture is when the church is resurrected. The term Church refers to believers.

    Luke 14:12-14
    12 Then Jesus said to his host, “When you give a luncheon or dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or relatives, or your rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be repaid. 13 But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, 14 and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.”

    In Revelation 19:8, when the Lord returns with His bride at the end of the tribulation, she is seen already rewarded. Her reward is described as fine linen, the righteous acts of the saints undoubtedly the result of rewards.

    Revelation 19:8
    8 Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear.” (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints.)

    In 2 Timothy 4:8 and 1 Corinthians 4:5, rewards are associated with “that day” and with the Lord’s coming. Again, for the church this means the rapture.

    2 Timothy 4:8
    8 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.

    1 Corinthians 4:5
    5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.

    So the order of events will be:

    The rapture which includes our glorification/resurrection bodies
    Exaltation into the heavens with the Lord
    Examination before the Bema
    Compensation or reward

    We Are Not Judged For Sin

    Although it is tremendously serious with eternal ramifications, the Judgment Seat of Christ is not a place or time when the Lord will mete out punishment for sins committed by a child of God. Rather, it is a place where rewards will be given, or lost, depending on how one has conducted his life for the Lord.

    It is important to emphasize that the Judgment Seat of Christ does not determine salvation; that was determined by Christ’s sacrifice on behalf of the blood bought believer (1 John 2:2), and the believer’s faith in Him (John 3:16). All confessed sins are forgiven and believers will never be condemned for them (Romans 8:1). To say otherwise would deny the completeness of the death of Jesus Christ, and nullify God’s promise that “their sins and iniquities will I remember no more” (Hebrews 10:17).

    Instead, the purpose of this bema judgment by Jesus Christ is to reward believers based on how faithfully they served Him (1 Corinthians 9:4-27, 2 Timothy 2:5). Even so, this judgment will also deal with a loss of rewards. Again, Paul tells us, in his letter to the Corinthians, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that everyone may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.” The Greek word translated as “bad” in this phrase, is based upon the Greek word Phaulos. according to Strong’s dictionary (#5337), the primary definition of Phaulos is “easy, slight, ordinary, mean, worthless, of no account.”

    1 Corinthians 3:12-15 says that: “12 If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man’s work. 14 If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. 15 If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.”

    We see in Revelation 4:4 and 4:10-11

    4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, CLOTHED IN WHITE RAIMENT; AND THEY HAD ON THEIR HEADS CROWNS OF GOLD.

    10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, AND CAST THEIR CROWNS BEFORE THE THRONE, saying,

    11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
    Revelation 5:8-14

    8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and
    golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

    9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

    10 AND HAST MADE US UNTO OUR GOD, KINGS AND PRIEST: AND WE SHALL REIGN ON THE EARTH.

    11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

    12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

    13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

    14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

    The twenty four elders are seen with crowns of gold and dressed in white raiment before Jesus begins to open the Seals. Wouldn’t they had to have appeared before the Judgement Seat of Christ to have received these rewards?

  • jacob

    JOHN 17:15,20 + PROVERBS 10:30 + MATTHEW 24:9 + EZEKIEL 13:20 (King James Bible) = NO RAPTURE

    • Lol, you refused to quote our apostle, Paul, and why? Because of this:

      “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (KJV)

      • Gideon

        Lol alive and remain through what?

  • “Well, if the Tribulation began two months ago, where then is the Antichrist, the locusts from the pit, the Two Witnesses, and all the rest of it? Hmm….”

    I don’t believe that a 7 years great tribulation began two months ago, but even if it did, it’s not necessery for all the people and locusts to appear on the first day, or even the first two months. When you watch a film, all the actors don’t appear at the same time on the first frame of the film…

    Even if that tribulation begins by with an antichrist signing a 7 years agreement, will we see it? I don’t think the devil is so stupid to appear publicly on the stage, before all the tv cameras and says: “I am the Messias, I am signing the agreement spoken of in of Daniel 9, and later all people who will refuse the 666 mark will be beheaded”. Who will be seduced as it is written that “insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.” ? (Mat. 24:24)
    Probably that agreement will be signed secretly, but anyway people have already been desensibilized by all the prior false aggreements done for that purpose. The Oslo Accords were signed on September 13, 1993, exactly 7 years before the end on the millenium, (some people understood the last 7 years before the end of the 6th day before the millenium), but nothing happened. Nothing happened also after:

    Madrid Conference of 1991
    Oslo Accords 1993
    Hebron agreement 1997
    Wye River Memorandum 1998
    Camp David 2000 Summit
    Beirut summit
    Direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians (2010–11)
    2013–14 Israeli–Palestinian peace talks
    Abbas’ peace plan 2014

    Now even if the true antichrist signs the true end-time agreement, I am sure nobody will pay attention to it. “Already too much agreements, now it’s enough, I don’t want to hear anymore about it…” will people think.

    Same thing for the temple. There have been many attempt to place the first stone of it, now if the construction begins, it just begins and that’s all, just another begining…

    Lot of time people have already been arrested that were saying they were the two wittnesses of the book of Revelation…

    So the rapture has not necessary to be take place on the first day of the tribulation to be sudden. Christians now are sleeping so deep that they will be surprised even by a mid-trib / pre-wrath rapture. So they can continue to dream to their “blessed hope” while their lamp burns the last drops of oil. These are the five foolish virgins that “took their lamps, and took no oil with them”, or said with words of our time: they took their flashlights, and took no batteries with them!

    • Well, let me make it easy for you. The very FIRST sign of the Tribulation after the Rapture of the Church is this:

      “And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.” Revelation 6:1,2 (KJV)

      Now, when you see THAT sign, email me, and we will make it our front page story. Deal?

      • aka Glory

        Lord where have you been? Read Daniel! The white horse: Pope Francis fulfills all Daniel, see his slogan on back of robe, IHS, flip it upside down: there it is “SHI” for Shiva, the deity of destruction, the mascot of C.E.R.N. Chaos. There is the upside down Cross of Lucifer and his trident. Look at it upside down. see google images for Atlas building of CERN, then google images for shiva hindu lingams, see Images. Now see the hindu shiva lingams.print one. Now google pope monstrace images that hold the communion wafer host. Look at all the images closely. Look inside circle and see the muslim and hindu shiva “crescent moon”. The communion at a Catholic service is to Shiva, the hindu fertility lingam. Shiva is one of the Trimurti , trinity of God as 3 persons, see the Trimurti images on google. See Shiva, the 3rd one, all men with lipstick. The many arms is the hindu paganism of god as 3 persons, adopted by Catholic church from Hindus= Perversion.
        Then go to aerial images of Mecca, see the kaaba, which houses a little black stone, taken from a hindu shiva hindu lingam. To allah, the original NAME of SHIVA. Mecca, the great dome, used to be an old Hindu temple of 600 gods. Muhammad went in temple and selected Shiva, orig. Called Allah.
        The pope, the Jesuits, the black pope: Superior General Adolfo Nicolas is the black horse, the false prophet, who already has control of the world finances thru the VATICAN and City of London and Washington DC. Google the three City States that rule the world. The Vatican controls the world money. Thru fremasons, via ,illuminati. I have proof on that one too. Documents. I can mail to you.

        See aerial views of all 3 city states, and they match exactly the aerial view of MECCA, the hindu shiva fertility lingam. Clever, until you print out the aerial views and compare to Shiva fertility hindu lingams, you will now see the match to hinduism. The pope is the white horse. the red horse of blood is the Muslims, the black horse is the black pope Nicolas, the Jesuits, see Extreme Oath of Jesuits. the pale horse is death: drug overdose, suicide, murder, bombings. All four horses are here and riding throughout the earth.

        See what obedience to Acts 2:38 will show you when you obey the Will of God, the kingdom of darkness is exposed to light and brought to the surface. With his spirit and knowledge and understanding revealed. I have a degree in biology and scientific research. I now used it to study and dissect the Word. He reveals great and unsearchable things thru HIS Spirit.
        You can see it. GOOGLE all the images I spoke of and it will amaze you, how the slippery serpent of satan has been bringing his kingdom together under Chaos by Shiva worship using fertility lingams. He has deceived the Jews with the Kabbalah. It is the kabba or kaaba, =black magic stone of Shiva lingam + worship to allah. The kabbalah Jewish book is nothing but black magic mysticism to hindu shiva lingam. Irvin Baxter consulted with the rabbi Kabbalist for TRIBULATION info and is confused because he is clueless to the source of his information. That is why he is wrong about RAPTURE coming at the end, the same as Catholics, because they are consulting with hindus for truth. Now you see the mixup.

        I have the gift of discernment. See how it works. I made a DVD with all slides and pics. You have to go to images and print and compare. The pope and Jewish books of kabbalah deception are the slickest.
        What made me flip his emblem upside down, I remembered in the 60’s secret satanic messages were in records when played backwards.
        Flip the IHS symbol upside down. Voila. Satan exposed.

  • Gideon,
    The most on fire people I know are those who know the time is short because the rapture could happen at any time. What do you think Geoffrey is doing with this website? And his street witnessing?
    It is imminent. We are doing all that we can to win as many to the Lord before He calls us up. Something any Christian should be doing. Whether they believe in pre, mid, or post trib. We have been commissioned by Jesus to do it. Acts1:8
    MARANATHA!
    Blessings:-}

  • Amen Heather,
    The Lord knows them that are His. 2ndTim.2:19
    Blessings:-}

  • Exactly Heather,
    We need to be certain we don’t accept for doctrine what comes from someone elses “revelation”. The Bible, the word of God, is our only sure source for knowing Jesus and His plans for mankind.
    Blessings:-}

  • Gideon

    That is good ,so many are perishing so grievous to me, blessings.

  • “Well, let me make it easy for you. The very FIRST sign of the Tribulation after the Rapture of the Church is this… ” [first seal]

    If Rev. 6 is a parallel of Mat. 24, as described in your recent article:

    What makes you believe that the opening of the first seal, – that corresponds to the “And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” of Mat. 24:4-5 – marks the begining of the great tribulation? Has Satan never been trying to deceive anybody until today?

    “For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.” (Mat 24:7) Nothing of these happened during the last 2000 years? Never a war? Never an earthquakes?

    And Jesus said that these were only “the beginning of sorrows”

    “Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.” Never any persecution?

    “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.” (Mat. 24:24)
    Is not that already 99.9% done?

    Sorry, I cannot understand how people can still be waiting for the first of all these signs to appear, or actually be waiting for a “pretribulation rapture” that precedes these signs, when in fact these signs at least already began a long time ago.

  • jonathan baez

    this is not the case at all, we are rapture out at the 7 year them there are 2.8 years of wrath and then we go back to earth with jesus, the keypoint is the 2300 days of desolation , if you try to squeeze all the thrumpets, the vials on 7 years dont fit because you have 2300 days of desolation from the middle of the seven years so it overlaps, so the day of the lord is 2.8 years of wrath and 997.2 years of blessing , th day of the lord is the 1000 reign of christ with part of warth and part of blessings

    Dr. Kent hoving gets the 1040 or 2.8 years days by resting 2300 days to 42 months (great tribulation, the last 3 1/2 years from the 7th week of Daniel) , in the middle of the 7 years the anti christ desolate for 2300 days resting 1260 days/3.5 years, the result is 1040 wich is the 1000 years milleniun year reign of christ, the fist 2.8 years of the day of the lord/ 1000 reign of christ has to parte the fisrt bad wich is the wrath of god and then the blessing 997 years of reign of christ

    • aka Glory

      You are so lost. Read your bible again. The holy ghost is holding back the wrath. When the Perfect comes, Jesus comes for the ACTS 2:38 church, all tongues and prophecies will cease. There will be NO love, no church, no HOLY GHOST, no preaching, rampant rapes, hell, theft, no babies or children, no food stamps or section 8, your home will be robbed, the left behind people will do whatever, preachers and priests will be lynched, when they found put the ” man of god” lied to them, how many will be kind and loving and forgive them? Really? The “weeds of disobedience,” will be burnt up, tortured, a Worldwide holocaust beyond our imagination will be here at last. Better get Acts 2:38 saved real fast, before you become one of the virgins who did not have enough Oil in their lamps.
      To be Born Again by John 3:3-8 makes you new virgin child of God. For Jew, Samaritans and Gentile.

  • Brandon

    What’s silly is that Paul did say “alive and remain” twice! Now I believe every word of my KJB but I was curious about the word ‘remain’. It is not a commonly used word in the NT. In fact as far as the Greek goes, this word for ‘remain ‘ is only used two times in the whole Bible, and guess what?, they’re both right here in 1 Thes.
    Even more telling is the interpretation is ‘remain’ and ‘SURVIVE’! EXPLAIN that one away. Alive and survive? Sounds like something is going down on earth.
    How much clearer does God have to be. If you really, really want to believe in fairy tales He will let you, but I pray that you won’t.

  • Brandon

    Didn’t Jesus, in John 17 pray that the Father would not take us out of the word but KEEP us from the evil? Doesn’t it mention something in Revelation that some would be kept? Hmmm.

    • If you are saved and born again, you are ALREADY “kept from evil” by the sealing you received from the Holy Spirit. Here it is:

      “In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,” Ephesians 1:13 (KJV)

      • aka Glory

        Only if you obeyed Acts ,2:38. 19:1-6. Etc. Salvation begins in ACTS chap. 2:1-47. 2:21 call on the Name you shall be saved. 2:37. What shall we do? 2:38 repent, be baptized in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS and you shall receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost. 2:47 …and the Lord added to the church su h as should be SAVED. Past tense.
        Same message in Acts 8:12-17; 10:43-48; 19:1-6; 22:16. You are Not saved and sealed with the PROMISE until you obey and do the above. Jesus said so in Acts chap. One. The Promise is described in Acts chap. 1&2.

        Only 144,000 Jews will be sealed and protected from.the Wrath of God during the Seven years of the Great EARTH Cleanup. Not gentiles. That is for Jews only.

    • That’s correct.

      “Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.” Rev. 3:10

  • Tim

    The event of 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 is commonly known as the rapture. Those who say this event will not happen are simply wrong, and those who oppose this biblical truth will more than likely be excluded when it happens, and they will face the antichrist with the rest of the Christ rejecting world.

    Jesus to watch and be ready, pray always that you would be counted worthy to escape the things of the tribulation, but there will always be those who just don’t listen and read their bible. Kent Hovind does a great job of defending creation against atheists, but he has clearly fallen by the wayside in denying the Church being caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air before the tribulation period starts. You can argue til the cows come home and you will never disprove this truth.

    • Heather

      Amen, Amen and Amen!

    • aka Glory

      Excellent truth. Everyone hurry do and obey Acts 2:38. The Lord is coming soon. Canada just brought in planeload of Muslims. Hurry up obey Acts 2:38.

  • aka Glory

    As long as holy GHOST filled believers speaking in unknown tongues, are still down here the TRIBULATION cannot start. We are holding back the wrath, because it says when the Perfect comes all TONGUES and prophecy will cease. RAPTURE is somewhere at the time the two witnesses are here. The two witnesses have to be here also Malachi 4:3. They are here 42 months, die 3 days, get resurrected and return to heaven. Then the antichrist, the pope, has accident, satan possesses him and he is evil for 3 1/2 more years. We need to see Elijah. The born AGAIN Acts 2:38 people are holding back the beginning of the TRIBULATION. We get out of here by Rev. Chap. 5&6. The last trump is the last blast on.a series of blasts. They a series of blasts when the Jews blow shofars for feasts. It is not talking About the 7th Trumpet of the time of wrath.
    Rom. 5 , we are saved from the TRIBULATION. The Acts 2:38 people who obey the Will of God.

  • aka Glory

    I have proof that the 120 in the upper room were Not speaking “Hebrew” as the “Other Tongues” KJV. See Acts chap. 2 : 1-47. First of all the 120 in the upper room on the day of Pentecost were Galileans v.7. The language was Greek and all Jews go to HEBREW schools even today, if you know a Jew that is Jewish, they all have to learn Hebrew at a young age. It is their second language, even today. Jesus taught in the synagogues and spoke HEBREW. So Hebrew was not an Unknown or other tongue to them, they all knew Hebrew as their first language, if they were Jewish. They spoke Hebrew, their native language, at home.

    Second there was a crowd of every nation under heaven on the street when the 120 came out of the upper room and they were all AMAZED CONFOUNDED AND MARVELLED that these Hebrew Jewish Galileans could speak in “their” languages. Why would a crowd of foreign nationalities be AMAZED MARVEL AND BE COMFOUNDED to hear a Jew speak in Hebrew?

    No the 120 were speaking in ” other tongues” never learned, Unknown TONGUES. Not Hebrew, they all already Knew that tongue. No one would be AMAZED to hear a Jew speak Hebrew.

    If you ever get baptized and filled with the Holy Ghost like I did when I obeyed the Will of God and did what Jesus commanded us to do thru the apostles Peter, Paul and also Philip, you will finally see the Kingdom of God and Heaven, and feel His Grace enter your body as a GHOST and fill your belly with that Living Water where you will never thirst again. You will speak in an “Unknown tongue” never learned also. That is the sign to the unbeliever that you have been filled and baptized with the Gift of the Holy Ghost, this is NOT the ” Gift of tongues” for the church. THOSE gifts come later as you grow in the Truth. After you DO and Obeyed Acts 2:1-4; & 2:38; 8:12-17; 10:43-48; 19:1-6; 22:16. KJV. and Douay Rheims Catholics bible say exact same words in the N.T. check it out. All the exact same message preached. 3 keys to salvation from.sin into Grace. Repent, redemption, resurrection.

    You too will be grafted and adopted into the ONE CHURCH in the bible built on the Rock, the Chief Cornerstone and there is no other Name by which we must be SAVED from SINS. Washed in the Name of Jesus as Commanded in Acts 2;4;8;10;19; 22. How many times ? 6 six times Jesus commanded us to Repent, be baptized in His Name Jesus Christ and ye shall receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost or “baptized” like Jesus said in Acts 1:5-8. just like I did in 1986. It is marvelous.
    No one in the entire bible was ever baptised in titles father, son and holy ghost. Matthew followed others to upper room and was baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ like the 3,000 did that same day.
    Only Catholics started title baptism, removing the Name of Jesus Christ, again the Catholics removed the Name of Jesus in baptism to steal the truth from millions. ( that is why they took bibles from people, chained in church, and told all their congregation that only a Catholic priest can read and interpret the word of god. They didn’t want anyone finding the truth, that is when the Dark ages began). The dark ages ended at the reformation in 1500’s when men got the bible, like Martin Luther, and wycliff, etc and started printing it in German and English so everyone could read it and rediscover the truth and light in Book of Acts again. To skip over the commandments in the Book of Acts is to live in the Dark Ages without Truth. You are living backwards without Doing and preaching Acts 2:38 first to your congregation. Then move to the other books. You have No cornerstone to Build on. 1 Corinthians 10:4…and this Rock was Christ. Peter was to build the church on the Rock, what Name did he use to build on. What name did Philip use to build on? Whar Name did Paul use to build churches on? JESUS CHRIST.read Acts all chapter Two for Truth and Grace. DO IT.

    Oh yes I forgot, there are Only Two kingdoms in the bible:
    The First kingdom of Light=Kingdom of God=the Kingdom of Heaven opened to Gentiles in the dispensation of Grace. JESUS took away the first Blood COVENANT of the sacrifices of the OX, see Exodus 24:1-8; where the Moses had to kill an OX and put the blood upon the altar for the old COVENANT to cover sin.
    Where at each Passover the Jews were required to take a spotless first born lamb into their houses for 4 days and kill it for their sins every year at Passover until the Last “Lamb” was sacrificed on Calvary and shed His Blood and took on Our Sins and without His Name Jesus to cover you under and over that water of baptism, you have Not Washed away your sins. See Heb. 10:22; Acts 22:16.

    Second kingdom: the Kingdom of darkness, where satan was dethroned at Calvary by the Blood of the second and better COVENANT see Book of Hebrews chap. 8 to 10. and Acts chap. 1&2. Compare to Exodus chap. 24:1-8.

    So Hebrew was Not the other tongue for any Jew when crowds of Jews received the gift, baptism, or infilling of the HOLY GHOST. Peter was Not an unbeliever looking for a Sign in Acts 10. He already was a believer, spoke and knew Hebrew being a Jew and spoke in unknown TONGUES from his upper room experience on Pentecost 33 AD. He himself already obeyed Acts 2:38. Have you? Is the question?

    In chap. 10, of the book of Acts, the Lord showed Peter that the veil had ripped open for ALL Gentiles and Peter was to preach to them ALSO the glorious salvation truth from Acts 2:38 and he did in Acts 10:43 -48. He brought Pentecost message TO THE GENTILES. we were now adopted into the Line of David. The vine is Jesus, we are the branches grafted into the vine, after you DO and Obey the WILL of God. You cannot change someone else’s WILL. This bible, the LAST WILL and Testament of the Testator Jesus Christ. It is HIS WILL and no one can delete, add to, or change Any words written in The WILL of Jesr Christ. After His death at Calvary, He signed and sealed this WILL in His blood. You will Not inherit the right to the RAPTURE WITHOUT obeying his commandments in the book of ACTS. Ch. 1-22. Hebrews 8-10.

    Let me know after everyone on this site, Jew, Samaritans, Believers, Gentiles, Muslims have Read, and Obeyed the Will of GOD, so you are Not in Rebellion, and Followed the Book of Acts only salvation plan of Grace in chapter 2 or 8 or 10 or 19 . They All give the exact same message of truth and grace and salvation from sin in His Name JESUS. Making you RAPTURE ready in the flesh. Your flesh will Not be Changed and glorified to get you out of in the RAPTURE if you are still alive UNTIL YOU OBEY ACTS 2:38. Nothing Unclean can enter heaven. See John 3:3-8. Jesus said You MUST BE BORN AGAIN IN WATER AND SPIRIT. All babies and children and the dead adult souls that are Christian are in heaven already. But we are the Only generation that could still be alive in the flesh with sin still clinging to our flesh. It Must be washed and baptized in Jesus Name and filled with baptism of Holy Ghost to leave in the RAPTURE if you are not dead.

    And no I never went to a seminary, no I am old lady delivered from baptist and Catholic doctrine of men and tradition, repented, did the re-baptism in JESUS NAME in 1986 and was gloriously filled and baptized with the Holy Ghost and have been speaking in some unknown tongues for 29 years and no clue as to what language it is, because it is not the gift of tongues for interpretation. Explained in 1 Corinthians 14; the difference. Been ” Pentecostal” for many years and prayed 100s of people thru to the baptism and infilling of the Holy Ghost with speaking in “unknown tongues”. Just like Peter, Philip and Paul went out and taught the One Gospel of Truth and Grace.

    See http://www.cfcky.com and listen to preaching of Pastor Tommy Bates if you desire this truth and grace. The live internet videos with ” Speaking in unknown TONGUES services and preaching can be watched for 72 hours live after each Sunday Service. Watch altar calls closely, Also on Bridging the Gap on TBN. Learn and come out of the Kingdom of Darkness into His marvelous light and Truth.

    It does say if you are Not baptized you are damned. You best get both in the water in Jesus Name and the baptism of the Holy Ghost and not debate and argue or refute. You are just wasting your time and missing the blessed hope each day you delay and don’t Just DO IT. JUST DO IT and come back and give your testimony of how awesome it was. You too Pastor Jimmy, are missing out of blessings and GOD and His blood bought COVENANT every day when you pass by the commandment of ACTS 2:38. It is so beautiful and so simple the most brilliant seminarians and speakers and orators just don’t get it. James says not to be just a “hearer” of the word, you gotta DO IT. Faith is a verb. Grace is NOT given to YOU until you receive the water baptism in His Name JESUS and the baptism of His Spirit. Amen and Amen. DO ACTS 2:38 and stop wasting time debating it just DO IT. The Lord could be here soon. And you need it for the RAPTURE.

    • Edwitness

      Aka GLORY,
      What language did you speak when you spoke in ‘unknown’ tongues? Was someone there that spoke the language you spoke to tell you what you were saying and what language it was?
      Otherwise how would you know what you were saying? And if you didn’t then you were speaking the tongue Paul describes in 1stCor.14:2.
      Blessings:-}

  • BVP

    Have any of you really researched other thoughts on millennial views? If pre-millennial is the only option, Revelation meant nothing to the people John wrote to. I really believe, as seen within Scripture, that the last days begun as Jesus started the church. If you want to really believe in the rapture and the great tribulation, you really have to string that theory together with real creativity. It just isn’t there. The end times are now, yes, but they may be still for another 100 years, or ten thousand years! We don’t know when He is coming. The whole point of Revelation is to give hope to those who are suffering for their faith. God is giving them a glimmer of hope, knowing that the reward awaiting them is far greater than this world can offer. God will have his vengeance; we must only continue to be faithful.

    • Edwitness

      BVP,
      The events that are unfolding daily show that Jesus’ return is very near. Especially the super sign of Israel being a nation again. In one day no less. Just like the scripture said. And if the interpretation that says that generation will be the one to see His return, then we’re it.
      No other time since Jesus rose from the dead have we seen all of the signs happening at once, that He said we would see right before His return.
      I’m no date setter but, the last time Jesus chided someone for not recognizing the signs, what they were pointing to was His coming, and He was standing right there rebuking them. I would say that qualifies as imminent and soon. Probably in our life time.
      MARANATHA!
      Blessings:-}

      • BVP

        I appreciate your point; however, I have to disagree with the idea that we can expect it in our lifetime. Let me explain: It very well could happen in our lifetime, but that is exactly what every generation believed from the time Jesus departed. If you read Scripture through multiple lenses, you will see that what is happening now, has been happening forever. Historically, Christians were persecuted. There are and always have been anti-christ’s around. The government, somewhere, is always corrupt. The whole point of Scripture is not in any way to be focussing on the “signs” or anything like that. We know He is coming, and when He does, every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. At that moment, the end will come and Jesus will bring judgment. It will not last a thousand years, and Satan will not be ruler and all that theory will be wiped away. The Bible is clear that it will be a moment in time. There won’t be any war, or battle against the devil. Jesus already won that war. So if we know that He is coming back, and he will judge righteously, it would be foolish to look at the signs! We need to be preaching the Word of God and leading people to Him. It doesn’t have to be some “fire and brimstone” sermon, but share the simple Gospel message. Not every sermon has to be related back to Revelation! When I was able to study the Scriptures, and see things in their context, and historically, it became so much more clear. I enjoy the conversation, and God bless!

        • Edwitness

          BVP,
          That is why I said the return of Israel makes all of the difference. Until that happened the return of the Lord was not imminent. So IF there were others before the return of Israel, who thought that His return was imminent, they were mistaken.
          There is also the sign of the increase of speed and knowledge. Dan.12:4. Nothing even comes close to what is happening right now. Not in all of human history. The fastest mode of travel up until a few hundred years ago was a horse. And the speeds that information is calculated at now dwarfs anything beyond 30 years ago.
          Make no mistake, we are in the final days right before the return of Jesus for His bride. His bride, the church, has been given the ministry of reconciliation. 2ndCor.5:18. This work is accomplished by the Holy Spirit indwelling each of His followers. This work is what restrains evil from totally consuming everything the way it will when the AC reigns. Rev.13. The church indwelt by the Holy Spirit is therefore the “he who now letteth” (holds back) that is “taken out of the way” so that the “man of sin can be revealed”. 2ndThes.2:3-8.
          God can not take away the Holy Spirit without the church because He said He would never leave us or forsake us.
          MARANATHA!
          Blessings:-}

  • Roger Rentfro

    DESPICABLE! The way this man that calls himself a ‘christian’ treats Kent Hovind is horrible. Refusing to even say Kents name properly. Because Kent has grown in his belief and now knows the truth seems to make this unchristian like man very angry, unjustifiably!

    • Kent’s arguments were quite weak and easily disputed. Thanks for listening!

    • Edwitness

      Roger,
      To the observer without an axe to grind it was obvious that this was a kind of “feeling out” time for both.
      If you will notice, they both made statements and asked questions that revealed that they were both unclear as to the subject matter of the interview. Whether it would be a discussion about rapture or creation.
      Kent seemed happy to discuss whatever topic and actually thought he was there to talk about the creation viewpoint. But, it seemed to me it took some time for both men to work through the initial stages that set up the ultimate topic. Which was whether the rapture happens pre or post trib.
      My personal view is that the rapture is pre trib for many reasons. But suffice it to say that both were equally gracious and tenacious in the presentation of their positions. So to say Geoffrey was “despicable” is ridiculous. On the whole I really enjoyed the exchange.
      A little more objectivity on your part might help.
      Blessings:-}

      • Leonard

        Though a Posttribber, I agree with Edwitness that both men acquitted themselves very well in stating their positions and backed them up with Scripture. I don’t think Geoffrey was despicable–regardless of whichever side of this issue one is on, Geoffrey has gotten all of us thinking about the endtime Rapture, and really studying our Bibles. For this, I applaud him! I hope Pastor Hovind will come back and speak further. I’ve always enjoyed his evolution debates, and believe him to be a devout Christian worthy of our audience…

  • James

    Letters to the churches in Revelation say some go and some left. Groom and Bride are gone when ten virgins are awakened. If the church isn’t ready and watching, maybe the position of “Bride” is forfeited. When Joseph reveals himself to his brethren he already has a Gentile bride. The theme of Gentile bride is also presented in Ruth. There s still left place for family, friends, servants, and sheep.

    • The Church is the Body and is also the Bride of Jesus Christ….

  • Allan Rowley

    Hebrews 9:28 “…so Yahushua was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.”
    John 6:39; 40 and 44: one is drawn to the Messiah Yahushua by Yahuweh and that “saved person” is “raised on the last day!
    Or Day of the Lord. So who is right about the rapture timing: man or the Messiah?
    Another point: The Messiah is a Hebrew of the tribe of Judah (Rev 5:5). The Bible is written on the Hebrew culture,. The 10 commandments were not nailed to the cross as Christianity preaches (Read Jn 14:15 and 1 John).
    Present day, we have the tribe of Judah in Israel, so where are the other tribes? As I understand Scripture they must be back in Israel or does Jacob’s trouble include all true believers?
    Dan 9:27, reading from the Hebrew culture, only the Messiah could fulfill the covenant with Israel which He did when He died “mid week” on the stake and fulfilled the requirements of the sacrifice for sin, mid-week!
    So, we have three and a half years left of anti messiah tribulation, not God’s wrath to come.
    Another thought, if the rapture occurs on the Feast of Trumpets as most expect, are we not with the Messiah 7 days (one week) as He tells us before the Feast of Atonement (for sin)?
    Presently, the Messiah sits next to Yahuweh in heaven, anyone still believe He does not know when He is returning? Then you believe Yahuweh holds secrets from His Son!

    Blessed are the discerners.

  • Ish

    To end this discussion, I think that the 70th week of Daniel and the marriage supper of the Lamb are two different events. The 70th week of Daniel is for Israel. In order for the 70th week described in Daniel to take place, an event occurs to spin off that week. The final week begins at the signing of the treaty with Israel. The church is no longer relevant because it’s not needed on the earth. The Two Witnesses come into the scene for the simple purpose of preaching to the world. I see how Matthew 24 and Revelation can cause two interpretations. There are two instances when Jesus returns, the first in the air, the second on the Mt. of Olives. He first takes His Bride, then leaves His Bride in the [place I prepare for you(John 14:3)]. He then returns to earth on the Mt. of Olives with all those saints who were beheaded and died for keeping the faith to rule for a thousand years. Those remaining on earth will be divided into two groups, sheep and goats. Those who helped the saints on earth during the tribulations will be called sheep. Those who persecuted the saints during the that period will be called goats. The Bride remains in “the place” or bridal chamber until the new Heaven and new Earth descends from God Throne at the end of the Christ’s 1000 year reign. This is my take.

  • aka Glory

    You are missing it, re-read Acts 16. Peter turned to the Gentiles in chapt. 10-11 and gave them the same message as the day of Pentecost. Paul came to the Gentile believers and gave them the same message in chap. 19 and 22:16. IT is right there plain as day what to do for Jew, and Gentile for salvation. Read the Book of Acts five times chap. 1-22 and you will see it. Later, that is the only Plan of salvation of grace given to us. in the book of Acts. then you go to Romans after you are saved by the water and the spirit. i hope you all get this before the RAPTURE, i really hope so……you need Acts 2:38 to get off this planet in the Rapture. anything short of that and you will be left behind…..You are skipping over scriptures. 2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
    STOP SKIPPING OVER PASSAGES….USE THEM ALL……you cannot cheat to get into heaven….watch http://www.cfcky.com video go watch both videos, every week until you get it. If ACTS 2:38 were not for today, if that was NOT FOR TODAY, then how come I can make it happen and see it happen every week, how come? it is still happening in our church, in my living room, on the street. i am praying people thru to the acts 2:38 baptism all the time…..it is for today… you need it.

  • Allan Rowley

    From what I understand about Dr Hovinds’ imprisonment, it as a “set up.” Also reported was the prosecuter committed suicide and the judge resigned after the sentencing. As with he prostitute who the religious people wanted to stone, so the Messiah stated, “whoever has not sinned let him throw the first stone.” Seems a lot of religious people on this site.
    Dr Hovind has had his tribulation, have you religious people?
    Hebrews 9:28 “…so Yahushua was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.”
    John 6:39; 40 and 44: one is drawn to the Messiah Yahushua by Yahuweh and that “saved person” is “raised on the last day! Or Day of the Yahuweh. So who is right about the rapture timing: man or the Messiah?
    Another point: The Messiah is a Hebrew of the tribe of Judah (Rev 5:5). The Bible is written on the Hebrew culture,.
    The 10 commandments were not nailed to the cross as Christianity preaches (Read Jn 14:15 and 1 John). These are the conditions for His bride, are you keeping them? If not, forget a rapture! (Jn 14:15 and 1 John).
    Present day, we have the tribe of Judah in Israel, so where are the other tribes? As I understand Scripture they must be back in Israel or does Jacob’s trouble include all true believers?
    Dan 9:27, reading from the Hebrew culture, only the Messiah could fulfill the covenant with Israel which He did when He died “mid week” on the stake and rose from the dead 3 days later, thus conquering death and the grave and fulfilled the requirements of the sacrifice for sin, mid-week!
    So, we have three and a half years left of anti messiah tribulation to come.
    Could the one week of Dan 9:27 be 7 days between the return of the Messiah at the Feast of trumpets and the Feast of Atonement (for sin).
    One needs to ask the Spirit for the truth and “not follow the dictates of man.”
    The Messiah fulfilled the 1st 4 Feasts of Yahuweh, we now have the “fall feasts” for Him to fulfill. Remember He is a Hebrew and Yahuweh is a Elohim of order, not chaos as in “imminant rapture.”
    The Messiah was born on the Feast of Tabernacles, anyone worshipping Christmas is only pleasing Satan while the Messiah turns His head in shame.

    Blessings

    • Maybe his prison thing was a “set-up” as you say, maybe not. But when we talked with him, the only thing we had an interest in why how and why he lost his “blessed hope” of the Rapture of the Church.

  • Ukulelemike

    I am a believer in a post-trib/pre-wrath rapture, as seen in Rev 14:14-16. I, like Kent, was a believer in the pre-trib rapture, and I can tell you why I believed it: because I never studied it out, with a mind that was willing to see anything but that. I listened to what I was taught, and took for granted it was true, from the time I was saved in 1972, until I think 2008, and what made the difference is, now having to teach it, I found the doctrine very shaky, at best, and after about a years of serious study, I came to where I am now. And in Kent Hovind’s defense, I recall him saying, before he went to prison, that he didn’t take a set stance, but he leaned toward a post-tribulation/pre-wrath stance. I don’t know for how long he was there, but apparently with more time to study, since he wasn’t going anywhere, that may have been what gave him the opportunity to study it out enough to make his decision.

    And honestly, this was never seen as such a serious, virtually fundamental doctrine, as in, anyone who doesn’t hold to a pre-trib position must be a heretick, in the past. And by the way, I have lost NO blessed hope, other than a ‘hope’ to miss the Tribulation, though I know I will miss the wrath. When you say he is missing that ‘blessed hope’, you imply that he is no longer looking toward the appearing of Jesus Christ-the timing of the rapture isn’t even in question in the verse you re implying here. I know I am looking toward the blessed hope of the appearing of Jesus Christ-I just see Him in scripture returning a little later than you do.

    • Edwitness

      Ukulelemike,
      Did you ever think that maybe the problem you have with the pre trib rapture could be that you haven’t seen in Dan.9:27 that “he shall cause the sacrifices and oblations to cease”. When Jesus came He did this, didn’t He? Wasn’t Jesus the once for all time and for all people sacrifice? These practices of the Hebrews ceased to have any significance regarding their relationship with God. The law is done away with in Christ.
      Then the “man of sin” is the one who “for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate…” So during the wrath half of the great trib the man of sin reigns.
      With Jesus having already fulfilled the first half, the rapture will happen before the great trib starts. The final 3 1/2 years.
      Because the wrath of God is definitely in these years.
      The Lord Jesus Christ promises His bride, the Church, that He will keep us “from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world.” The word “from” in the Greek is “ek,” and it means: out of, from, by, and away from. It doesn’t say that He will keep us through it, but He will keep us from it. Out of it.
      MARANATHA!
      Blessings:-}

      • Ukulelemike

        Edwitness:
        The problem with your view of Daniel 9:27, is that, in context, it is not Messiah that causes the sacrifice and oblation to cease, but the ‘prince that shall come-he will confirm the covenant with many for a week, and in the midst of the week, shall cause the sacrifice and oblations to end.
        Of course Jesus has caused the sacrifices to end, in a manner: there is no more temple since about 70AD-however, for those who are NOT of Christ, there will be sacrifices made in a rebuilt temple. Mind you, I am not saying they will be accepted of God, Christ being the final, perfect sacrifice, but clearly, one of the signs of the antichrist being accepted by Israel as their messiah, (false), is that he will make it possible to build the third temple, and the Jews believe that whoever makes this happen WILL be their messiah-so they have set themselves up for a fall.
        As for the wrath of God, it will not being until the believers are removed, and that occurs at the ‘last trump’ and that is clearly shown as the last of the seven trumpets. There can only be ONE ‘LAST” trump, and since the Lord has been so kind as to clearly show us the ‘last trumpet’, sounding, we can believe that this is it. Also, consider, that in Rev 14, we see Jesus in the clouds, we have had the last trump, and we have the voice of an angel, probably an archangel, as it is an angel from the temple of God in Heaven, who tells Jesus that the time to reap the harvest of the earth has come. These things all perfectly match 1Thes 4’s description of the rapture, to a ‘T’.

        • Andrew

          I am also a post-trib pre-wrath believer. Revelation explains it – although one must realise that Revelations is not in time order. I believe that both Revelation 7 and Revelation 14 both explain the same event (but in different ways). They both explain the mystery of God which all the prophets are awaiting. I love the way Revelation 14 explains the order of events. 1) preaching of the gospel to all nations (verse 6) 2)falling of Mystery Babylon (verse 8) 3) tribulation (mark of beast etc) + patience of the saints 4) rapture/resurrection (reaping the earth’s harvest) and 5) the wrath of God (the grapes of wrath). It is a wonderful summary of the time sequence of the events described in Revelation. I also believe that the 144,000 are the second first fruits (wheat harvest) who are part of the rapture/resurrection but these are specifically sealed to go through the wrath of God (Note that the locusts during the wrath of God are specifically told not to harm those who have been sealed). What the purpose of this 144,000 is I am not sure but I do believe they are specifically sealed for a purpose.

  • -Seen To Be In A Dream were I receive text message, after text message, after many alike messages stating the same thing, “Jesus is coming, Jesus is on his way!” 02/17/2015
    -Seen to be seeing the rise of the anti-Christ, as so a look into the throne of God, a play on, with a large meteor like rock released to descend, when a voice declared: “This is the anti-Christ (NWO, Elite, Wealth Of The Wicked), murderer,” the compete destruction of King Nebuchadnezzar’s Image of emerging nations by a stone cut out without hands falling from heaven on the map, Dan. 2:3-49, 02/14/2015

    The Same Forever, Elohim
    http://www.beholdthemystery14.blogspot.com

    Things I've seen the first of this year, also a voice lamenting, "it's under his wings," immediately I thought about Ezekiel's description of the cherubim his 1st chapter. God's Glory was speeding away, leaving the apostate temple of that day, like me you possibly never considered, but the whole world will suffer in all likeness inconceivable disaster, that's at the righteous Bride's disappearance. So far I've seen three mighty beast, two before Obama first took office, 2008, one from the sea, one from the earth, to go into further details, see Rev. 13th chapt. I witness another, the beginning of 2014, this was one was stomping and chomping it's way from the pulpits into the pews, which oddly were all vacant, possibly the beast of the great falling away, beware, if you love, share, Apb, The RAM, www.theseventhangel15.blogspot.com www.crucified2015.blogspot.com

  • aka GLORY

    Please understand, I have spoken in UNKNOWN TONGUES since the moment I was baptized with the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST in Acts 2:38. The baptism that the LORD JESUS CHRIST said he would give to ALL BELIEVERS IN HIM. TO ALL.
    I do NOT have the ‘GIFT OF TONGUES’ that is mentioned in 1 Corinthians. Everyone is trying to explain what speaking in unknown tongues is, it is a SUPERNATURAL EXPERIENCE given by the baptism, the infilling of the HOLY GHOST when you finally repent of your sins and put your ‘self’ at the foot of the cross. Without this “SPEAKING IN UNKNOWN TONGUES” you cannot explain a supernatural experience with a natural mind. Please stop trying to explain something you DO NOT understand. You will NEVER UNDERSTAND THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST, THE UPPER ROOM EXPERIENCE ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST Acts 2: 1-47 until it happens to you. IT IS FOR EVERYONE, THE LORD DOES NOT LIE OR CHANGE. What happened to the CHURCH IN JERUSALEM, is for ALL AND ALL YOUR CHILDREN….THE LORD SAID SO, I followed exactly what was written to the CHURCH, the Doctrine of Grace in Jesus Name and it happened to me. HE DOES NOT CHANGE. YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN IN THE SPIRIT AND THE WATER……John 3:3-8=Acts 2:38, etc = Titus 3:5-7….All the same message….YOU ALL NEED IT, GET IT, YOU ALL CAN SPEAK IN UNKNOWN TONGUES, just like me and my son. THIS IS NOT THE GIFT OF TONGUES….IT IS NOT….

  • aka GLORY

    THE GIFT OF TONGUES is NOT THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST IN THE APOSTLES DOCTRINE IN THE BOOK OF ACTS. NO one in the Book of Acts had the GIFT OF TONGUES. That is completely different than the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST….THE BAPTISM OF HIS SPIRIT. I have been speaking in UNKNOWN TONGUES after his ghost, his spirit entered into me. since 1986. But i have never been given the GIFT OF TONGUES, IT NEEDS INTERPRETATION WITH IT ALSO. That is a gift to be used ONLY IN CHURCH OR MEETINGS….it is A SPECIFIC MESSAGE FROM GOD, FOR TEACHING. If you watch http://www.cfcky.com Tommy Bates on Sunday 11 & 6 EST for 72 hour videos you will see the difference in TONGUES… if we get a message from GOD during a church service ONE PERSON OR THE PASTOR WILL GET A VERY VERY LOUD UNKNOWN TONGUE/ LANGUAGE. We get quiet and no one else speaks, the message goes forth with interpretation. it happens once in a while not all the time. YOU will see us all get very very quiet and then you can sense the LORD is going to speak to the CHURCH as a whole. IT IS A VERY VERY DIFFERENT KIND OF TONGUES. 1 Corinthians is NOT THE GIFT OF HOLY GHOST with speaking in unknown tongues that happened to the 120 in the upper room and to me in 1986.

  • aka GLORY

    Simon the sorcerer was the magician who wanted to pay the apostle to have the gift where people could speak in foreign languages instantly and fluently, (“SPEAKING IN UNKNOWN TONGUES”) he wanted to be able to do what PETER AND PAUL could do, lay hands on people and they speak in foreign languages, tongues instantly. THE apostle explained you cannot buy it, you have to receive it from the LORD when you repent. IT IS NOT AN ACT OF MAGIC. why would he want to pay for something normal and natural, he wanted to pay for this SUPERNATURAL ‘ MAGIC’ AS HE SAW IT…. it was unknown tongues. re-read it again and put all the chapters of Acts together. everyone on this site needs to do homework and go back and re-read the book of ACTS , the Acts of the APOSTLES, chapters one through 22:16. That is where ALL THE CHURCHES WERE BUILT ON THE ROCK, THE CHIEF CORNER STONE, THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. He is the head of the CHURCH. Without the repentance, water baptism burial in the Name of JESUS CHRIST and the last step of the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST, the baptism and filling of HIS Spirit with the evidence of speaking in unknown tongues, YOU HAVE NO CHURCH: without these 3 steps you are NOT IN A CHURCH established on the APOSTLES DOCTRINE in the bible. All the letters PAUL wrote to the established churches in ACTS, he wrote 15 years later to the ROMANS, etc. these are only letters telling them to keep the faith and doctrine taught to them from JERUSALEM. SION, the church of Jerusalem. Study study ….all scripture is given for reproof, correction, doctrine and instruction in righteousness. ( i am not hitting the enter key twice, my message keeps duplicating for a reason….maybe the LORD is trying to get his word and truth to those on this site, let me know who gets the baptism in the HOLY GHOST….) 10 min. is all it takes, when you repent and give him your heart….

    • hrgreenjr

      There is no mention of “unknown tongues” anywhere in Samarian evangelism during Philips preaching. Assuming and presuming is only leads to false teaching.JOIN THE DISCUSSION

      • aka GLORY

        to: hrgreenjr. I will assume you have not been baptized with the HOLY GHOST with speaking in unknown tongues? I can only assume it. because if you had it like me, you would understand that chapter. why would the sorcerer want to pay philip any money for speaking in their own language? They were speaking in an unknown tongue when the POWER of the HOLY GHOST fell on them. You cannot understand unless you have the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST that i keep talking about. I have had it for 29 years, and believe me if you saw bunch of people be overcome by the POWER of the Holy Ghost and baptized with his spirit it is pretty darn amazing and POWERFUL and supernatural….that is why a magician wanted to learn the ‘trick’ and he never got it, because his heart was not right. I am not assuming what happened because i see it every week at church…it is pretty amazing. tune in sunday 11 and 6 pm EST on http://www.cfcky.com and see what speaking in unknown tongues is all about…IT IS FOR YOU TOO…..it is for today, the LORD does NOT CHANGE. ever…

        • aka GLORY

          FIRST …PHILIP OBEYED WHAT PETER SAID TO DO TO BE SAVED: ACTS 2:38 THE ONLY GOSPEL MESSAGE FOR SALVATION PREACHED IN THE BOOK OF ACTS…Once you do that this will happen….just like Jesus said it would, he does not change….

          Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
          Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
          Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; *********SEE THIS LINE…..********* REREAD THAT LINE…..
          Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

          Act 8:4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.
          Act 8:5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.
          Act 8:6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did.
          Act 8:7 For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed.
          Act 8:8 And there was great joy in that city.
          Act 8:9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which before time in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
          Act 8:10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.
          Act 8:11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.
          Act 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.–> THEY WERE BAPTIZED IN THE WATER….EVERYONE!
          Act 8:13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
          Act 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: PETER COMES ON THE SCENE NOW…..–>>>

          Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
          Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) *****
          NOW AFTER THEY WERE BAPTIZED IN THE WATER IN JESUS NAME TO REMOVE SIN THEY DID WHAT??
          —>>>>
          Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
          –>IN THE UPPER ROOM WHEN THY RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST AND WHEN I RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST AND WHEN MY SON RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST…WHAT HAPPENS???? WE ALL SPEAK IN UNKNOWN TONGUES….

          Act 8:18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
          Act 8:19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
          Act 8:20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
          Act 8:21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
          –>THE SORCERER NEVER GOT THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST BECAUSE HIS ‘HEART WAS NOT RIGHT’

          Act 8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
          Act 8:23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
          Act 8:24 Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.
          Act 8:25 And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans.
          Act 8:26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.

          –> ADDED PREACHING AND TEACHING TO BACK UP ACTS 2:38,,,,—>
          Act 8:27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
          Act 8:28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
          Act 8:29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
          Act 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
          Act 8:31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
          Act 8:32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
          Act 8:33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
          Act 8:34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
          Act 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

          -> MORE WATER BAPTISMS……TWO TIMES IN THIS CHAPTER, …AGAIN REQUIRED FOR SALVATION

          Act 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
          Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
          Act 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
          Act 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. THIS WAS SPEAKING IN UNKNOWN TONGUES,
          BELIEVE ME WHEN YOU GET IT YOU WILL REJOICE TOO…..
          Act 8:40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.
          ASK THE LORD FOR YOURSELF IF I AM TELLING THE TRUTH, IF YOU HEAR FROM HIM HE WILL SAY SO….

      • aka GLORY

        hrgreenjr: see below i made two comments. see also FIRST…PHILIP OBEYED AND OPEN IT…

  • aka GLORY

    Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
    Mar_1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
    Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
    Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
    Acts 1:4 Jesus said….wait for the PROMISE, what was the PROMISE?
    Acts 1:5 Jesus said ….For John truly baptized you with WATER; by ye shall be BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY GHOST not many days hence
    Acts 1:8 Jesus said…But ye shall receive POWER after that the HOLY GHOST is come upon you, and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in JERUSALEM….AND UNTO THE UTTERMOST PART OF THE EARTH.
    Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the house where they (all 120) were sitting.
    Acts 2:3 and there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them ( when you get baptized you will know what this verse means, it is a supernatural experience from God)
    Acts 2:4 and they were ALL FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST, and began to speak with OTHER TONGUES, as the spirit gave the utterance. (that is NOT HEBREW, Hebrew was their natural birth language)..the bible says OTHER TONGUES, OTHER LANGUAGES….read the rest of the chapter, the people of ALL nations were in the street outside and marvelled, were amazed, and confounded that 120 HEBREW speaking people were suddenly speaking in foreign languages fluently….amazing amazing and it is amazing when you get it……just get it…….when your mind gets this….i cannot explain it ….you will only know when you get baptized with the HOLY GHOST also….it is for all see Acts 2:39 everyone is supposed to get this experience. Every time i take a person to the altar of repentance, they get this supernatural experience…every time….it is awesome and unexplainable. you cannot explain something you do not have….i tried for 34 years, then one day it happened to me…and my son who was age six. Geoffrey and JIMMY this is for you too…..the original CHURCH of JESUS CHRIST starts here in the upper room, the Apostle’s Doctrine of Grace and truth. There is NO OTHER DOCTRINE THAT SHOULD BE PREACHED…..now after you have read the Book of acts chap. 1-22 five times, then go to the letters written 15 years after all the Churches who were started only by using Acts 2:38 by Peter, Paul, Timothy, Titus, Philip, etc. this is the only doctrine they used for the ROCK TO BUILD ON. the Chief cornerstone….You won’t know until you TRY IT like it is written in the WILL of GOD. He does not lie, he does not change.

  • aka GLORY

    To ED Witness: I could not find this conversation : ” What language did you speak when you spoke in ‘unknown’ tongues? Was someone there that spoke the language you spoke to tell you what you were saying and what language it was?
    Otherwise how would you know what you were saying? And if you didn’t then you were speaking the tongue Paul describes in 1stCor.14:2. Blessings:-}”
    Answer: NO, I do NOT have the ‘GIFT OF TONGUES’ in 1 Corinthians which does require Interpretation, you are correct. I do not have those TWO GIFTS. I have the Gift of Discernment and deliverance.
    The ‘GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST’ that Jesus spoke of in gospels and in Acts 1 and the upper room group of 120 on the day of the Pentecost, is what everyone will get when they are baptized and filled with the HOLY GHOST. You will speak in unknown language/ tongues without interpretation when you are filled with the GIFT OF the HOLY GHOST in Acts chapt. 2:1-38. You will never speak in your own natural language when it happens. You cannot understand this supernatural experience and the GRACE of God for salvation until it happens to you. I questioned it for years and then i finally repented of my sins and asked Jesus to come in to my heart, with my heart, and He will enter inside your body in your belly and suddenly your tongue will feel strange and then you will speak in unknown language, like baby talk at first. It will always happen when you repent fully 100%. You will not require it to be interpreted, it is for yourself, not a MESSAGE TO THE CHURCH as the Gift of tongues is in Corinthians. That is used for a message to the church. Everyone on this site and in the planet, needs this baptism of the HOLY GHOST to get out of here in the Rapture if you are still alive on that day.
    The souls in the ground, that were believers, are already in heaven and will go through the white throne judgment. If you do Acts 2:38 today, you are judging yourself unworthy and needing HIM as your saviour right now. It will happen, anywhere. you can get it tonite…try it, ask the LORD to fill you with his spirit and he will do it if you are sincere. HE WILL DO it and you will not need to interpret anything….it is sign given to all believers who receive his spirit….tonite is the nite. Ask the LORD yourself if i am telling you the truth….you will not understand it until you get it, because you are still using your natural mind to try and understand a supernatural happening. the LORD is supernatural, that is why the water baptism by faith, he will supernaturally wash away all your sins of the past…that too is supernatural and i did that and it was awesome also. Ask HIM…he will tell you the truth….you will speak in unknown tongues with JOY and feel his love and a cloud of PEACE will fall from heaven over you like you cannot describe. Then once you get it, pray in unknown tongues everyday to keep your spirit clean and free…..watch me on computer Sunday 11 and 6 pm EST http://www.cfcky.com tommy Bates…..live video for 72 hours…..i will be there at the altar praying people thru to the baptism of the holy ghost, i do it every week…..been doing it for 29 years…..

    • Edwitness

      Aka GLORY,
      Then you were speaking the ‘tongue’ Paul describes in 1stCor.14:28. The one you are not to speak in church because there is no interpretation.
      Paul gave an exhaustive teaching on ‘tongues’ in 1stCor. There are no other kinds of ‘tongues’. All three are covered.
      ‘Tongues’ that are a known language like those spoken at Pentecost.
      ‘Tongues’ that come with interpretation.
      ‘Tongues’ that are only spoken in private between you and God. I have heard this form described as a ‘prayer language’. 1stCor.14:28.
      Blessings:-}

  • aka GLORY

    There must be something to the baptism: i found the word ‘BAPTIZED’ this many times….and the LORD added to the CHURCH DAILY SUCH AS SHOULD BE SAVED…….THE LORD ADDED THEM AS THEY WERE BAPTIZED IN JESUS NAME FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS AND RECEIVED THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST….which when it happens you will immediately speak in unknown tongues….this is not the GIFT OF TONGUES IN CORINTHIANS….
    ASK THE LORD….he will tell you and fill you and bless you, just like he did me…..2000 years later, the same message worked for me…..see you on the internet sunday 11 and 6 pm EST http://www.cfcky.com nite…whew..

    Matthew 6 verses found 8 hits
    Mark 6 verses found 8 hits
    Luke 6 verses found 7 hits
    John 5 verses found 5 hits
    Acts 19 verses found 21 hits THIS IS WHERE EVERY DID IT ,,,THEN THEY HAD CHURCH…start at the beginning see Romans chapter six.. all of it.

    Romans 1 verse found 2 hits
    1 Corinthians 7 verses found 9 hits
    Galatians 1 verse found 1 hit

  • aka GLORY

    You are an interesting website, when you don’t agree with the scripture as written in the KJV bible, all scripture is given for reproof, etc. you go to calling me names: now i am labeled a “Campbellite”, never heard of it in the bible, so i had to go to an outside source to find something that is not written in the Word of God. But that is OK, Jimmy calls me a “waterdog”, because he doesn’t like the water or baptising people as the bible says to do, now Geoffrey you are calling me a name. Good show. Your frustration with the Word of God is showing…..now i ask all of you, before you go to calling me names, when i can show with scripture that all is truth….please ask the LORD if you can hear from him, if i am teaching the truth. I have only my testimony and the word of God and someone has to stay with what is written, it is not my fault that you all if it is you all have not received the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST YET with the evidence of speaking in unknown tongues as the upper room crowd did and i did and my son. it is not my fault if you don’t want to obey the water baptism in Jesus name…i just hope some day you will get it …all together and get saved, because without Acts 2:38 and speaking in unknown tongues and baptized in the water in JESUS NAME you are not yet saved from sin. THat is the marvelous Grace in the book of Acts. start at the beginning and SEEK THE LORD AND ASK HIM FOR YOURSELF….AND SEE WHAT HE SAYS TO DO…. i cannot wait to hear back what the LORD said to you all…really let me know what HE SAID not what you think…..what did HE SaY….????? http://www.cfcky.com watch it you will like it. EST 11am and 6 pm on for 72 hours. live ….book of Acts church….been doing this for 29 years…..love it. 29 years Geoffrey saved for 29 years….Do your homework also. read the Book of Acts chapter one to 22, five times….it will help you to see and receive the truth. also Heb. 8,9,10 and Romans 6

    • Edwitness

      Aka GLORY,
      The frustration you say you are sensing is probably just an incredulousness at the fact that you don’t agree with scripture.
      Example: I gave you scripture that said in so many words that Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles, and Peter was the apostle to the uncircumcision(the Jews). You reply by saying that because Peter spoke with some Gentiles about the salvation of Jesus being made available to them, that made him their apostle. Even though Paul said Peter was apostle to the circumcision(Jews).
      1.Please, give me scripture that says “Peter was the apostle to the Gentiles”?
      2.Please, also give me scripture that says that the “gift of the Holy Ghost” is ALWAYS speaking in unknown tongues?
      3.Please, show me scripture that says that “unless you are baptized (immersed in water) you can not be saved”? This seems unlikely as Paul told the Gentiles many times how to be saved without including baptism. He even said he was not sent to baptize them, but to preach the gospel. 1stCor.1:17. In Rom.10 Paul tells them in detail how to be saved. He does not even mention baptism. If baptism was necessary for salvation, he would have said so every time he preached on salvation. But he did not. Eph.2:4-10; Titus 3:5-7(the washing here is the same as that taught to the Ephesians about husbands washing their wives with the word,Eph.5:26); 1stCor.15:1-10.
      Please be sure that it is word for word with your verses what you are saying they say.
      Thanks,
      Blessings:-}

  • Leonard

    I don’t see how anyone claiming to be a Christian can proclaim that any who disagree with their interpretation of whether or their there will be a pre or post-trib Rapture will be headed for Hell. How do you rationalize that? Judge not, lest ye be judged…

    • Andrew

      I absolutely agree. I’m not sure how pre-trial belief is almost equivalent to salvation. They even call it the ‘blessed hope’. My ‘blessed hope’ is Jesus not some excuse to avoid tribulation.

  • aka Glory

    TO ALL BELIEVERS ON THIS SITE, ON THE LIGHTER AND BRIGHTER SIDE: if anyone is interested in seeing the holy ghost move on someone today and hear ‘speaking in unknown tongues’ just like the UPPER ROOM experience in ACTS CHAPTER TWO…you can see it live on your iphone, computer, tablet, etc. just go to: it is in the preaching segment…..
    Watch the LIVE video from Sunday PM service on http://www.cfcky.com
    Tommy Bates. Go to evening service. It will be on there for 72 hours. Ending WED nite.
    Pastor Bates spoke in “UNKNOWN TONGUES” as the Holy Ghost moved on his spirit and gave the “utterance”, and that did NOT NEED to be interpreted. Many of us were speaking in UNKNOWN TONGUES in the congregation. Book of ACTS ‘tongues’.
    But then, suddenly the LORD had a ‘MESSAGE FOR THE CHURCH’ or someone in the choir. You will see the LADY IN THE CHOIR GOT REALLY REALLY LOUD SUDDENLY, with speaking in unknown tongues. Then she gave the ‘INTERPRETATION’ that went with her ‘GIFT OF TONGUES’. Those ‘UNKNOWN TONGUES’ were different…if you watch the service you can tell the ‘difference ‘ in the HOLY GHOST utterance for yourself (Book of ACTS) and the utterance for a message with interpretation.
    (1 CORINTHIANS) : ‘GIFT OF TONGUES AND GIFT OF INTERPRETATION’ which i do not have, and been speaking in unknown tongues since 1986 obeyed ACTS chapter two and re-baptized under the water in JESUS NAME. READ AND OBEY ACTS 2:1-4; 21; 37-47 and the LORD added to the CHURCH daily such as should BE SAVED. I did it, it is for today. The LORD does not change, his word does not change, the recipe for salvation has not changed since that glorious PENTECOSTAL DAY in the upper room. Praise the LORD. GOD BLESS YOU ALL AND THIS WEBSITE. Thank you Geoffrey.
    If you are interested in more….see the AM service also. Book of Acts church in action today.

  • Why must pretribulationists go to prison to understand that the rapture can happen at another time than before the tribulation? Is there not an easer way for them to have their mind opened?

    • Alstor

      Hi Marc…. It is a deeply ingrained belief which is based on tradition and not on the bible. They read the bible with blinkers on. The first teaching of the pre-trib rapture is in the 1830’s and unfortunately has been picked up by the prosperity loving church…. not that this site is that. I have a lot of respect for this site but for some reason they still can’t read the bible for what it actually says in regard to the rapture. They keep on adding things in which ain’t there. They also equate the rapture to salvation…the rapture is their blessed hope… when in fact it is Jesus which is our blessed hope. I really can’t understand why such smart people can be so fooled.

      • Hi Alstor, you are right, it is written:

        “Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.
        For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit. (Jer 17:7-8)

        Unfortunately, the pretribulationists and Word of God dividers will say that the Old Testament is for Jews and that the church has ANOTHER “blessed hope”.

        That’s the main problem people have with the pretribulationists: double talk. Nothing is the same as anything, and everything is the same as nothing, like the “last(s)” trumpet(s) of the mystery(ies) of God and the “first(s)” resurrection(s) (plurial for them).

        They cites and distort Titus 2:13, omiting the word “and” between “blessed hope” and “the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ”:

        “Looking for that blessed hope, AND the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ”

        In this case, instead of only dividing things, pretribulationists also FUSE two different things into one. For to those who defend pretribulationism all cheats are permitted…

        Clarke’s Commentary on Titus 2:13

        “Looking for that blessed hope – Expecting the grand object of our hope, eternal life. See Titus 1:2. This is what the Gospel teaches us to expect, and what the grace of God prepares the human heart for. This is called a blessed hope; those who have it are happy in the sure prospect of that glory which shall be revealed…
        Some think that the blessed hope and glorious appearing mean the same thing; but I do not think so. The blessed hope refers simply to eternal glorification in general; the glorious appearing, to the resurrection of the body; for when Christ appears he will change this vile body, and make it like unto his Glorious Body, according to the working by which he is able even to subdue all things to himself. See Philippians 3:20, Philippians 3:21.” (Clarke’s Commentary on Titus 2:13)

        • AlstoR

          What I can’t get over is the passion in which they hold to this unbiblical belief. Many are unable to rationally debate it as if it is a ‘salvation issue’. I have been called many names for trying to have a conversation about such things. A wall suddenly goes up and all rational debate goes out the window.

          • Edwitness

            AlstoR,
            That is a characteristic of all cults. They emotionally defend the group they belong to and it’s unbiblical beliefs instead of rationally discussing what the Bible teaches.
            Blessings:-}

  • Yikes! I have just had my own tribulation reading this page!! Holy Toledo! We are all so divided ain’t we? Look we need to keep our eye on the ball: Jesus is the only way.
    Steve Quayle convinced me along with his co-horts that there was no pre-trib. But then I decided to use my soul and spirit and discover it for myself.
    WE ARE NOT APPOINTED TO WRATH. Notice how the Church is not mentioned. That we Saints come back with Jesus at the great battle. Not to mention the many verses like “two in the field one will be taken”…etc…etc… so many verses.
    Jesus suffered on the cross that we might be saved. What father if his son ask him for fish will give a stone. PLEASE PEOPLE Jesus loves us. WE ARE ONE WITH HIM,WITH THE FATHER, WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT. IS JESUS GOING TO TRIB? FATHER? THE HOLY SPIRIT. Really people.
    ONE THING IS SURE : We are way into the beginning of sorrows. And the birth pangs are getting stronger.
    We are on the cusp. Let’s pray with all prayer and supplication for the Saints. Let’s not hand them over to the devil who is already judges and HATES EVERY HUMAN CREATED BY GOD FROM THE BEGINNING OF TIME.
    Jesus loves you. Just let Him do His work with us. His ways are highers than our ways.
    Let’s not create idols of our own voices. Shod your feet with the gospel of peace. AMEN AND AMEN.
    Going for good night sleep sisters and brothers. It is appointed. You?

    • Dear Mary…. I separate tribulation from the wrath of God. I believe the wrath of God is God’s judgement on this world; i.e.: Revelation 8 and 9, however the tribulation is the time of control by the son of perdition; i.e.: Revelation 6. Also, the ultimate wrath of God is actually hell… not the destruction of this current world. Note how these two time periods is separated by Revelation 7 where the multitude are seen in heaven’s throne room (i.e.: the rapture).
      BTW: what will make you believe we are in tribulation. Is that when Christians are being beheaded (already happening), is it when Christians are being crucified (already happening)? Is it when Allah, sits on the temple mount (Dome of the Rock) pretending to by God while his supporters go around committing abominations?
      How will you you know when tribulation strikes….?

  • Indeed Alstor some trib is wrath; some is Satan at work. BUT remember God always uses everyone or anyone as the rod of His anger. Satan does not do anything the Lord does not permit. He is in control at all times.

    About Rev 7 “the multitude..” is what John’s sees. They are the cumulative martyrs not just latter day. From Abel, through Stephen to MLK. And future martyrs. Heaven has been opened to John–where there is no time–but only eternity. So we cannot apply chronology to the vision. Tribulation has been non-stop since the curse: Deuteronomy, Samuel, Judges and especially Job. The horrors of this tribulation are unimaginable even as written. Men’s hearts will fail wishing to die but cannot. Yet most will not repent. These are the unsaved. We are not there.

    WE have hit the black horse yet. We may not even be into the red horse because peace has not been taken from the earth. Which brings me to the white horse. Is this character crowned as yet? Nothing compares to the conquering of Hitler as yet. Not even sure we are at the start.

    But this: Mark 13:8
    For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows. THIS WE ARE INTO.

    BTW don’t believe we need a third temple. I think the abomination of desolation enters the Apostate Church, the temple of God. But also the Holy Place is a place not a temple. I digress. I think Satan’s choice for a host will probably be a proxy caliphate or Jesuit or a creature of fierce countenance. Hard to tell. We should not trouble ourselves with this. We cannot change a tittle. We must keep our minds on eternal life with Jesus and work to take as many with us as possible.

    • Reasoned response…. I agree that God is in control at all times. However, if we take that definition, then many Christians have been killed by God’s wrath – for example; ISIS could be considered God’s wrath on the middle east – however, they also kill Christians. Therefore, for the purposes of this discussion, the definition of God’s wrath in Revelation is quite specific. If you go through Revelation God’s wrath is not about tribulation exacted by the son of perdition, it is always a massive natural or supernatural disaster (1/3 sun disappearing, water turning to blood, massive locusts…etc). I do not believe that there are any Christians around to suffer God’s wrath upon unrepentant humanity. According to
      In regard to timing in Revelation I do believe there is timing (I have a video on my website called Revelation – alstoq) where I believe that it is quite clear where Revelation is in order and where it retraces steps already discussed to highlight certain things. For example Revelation 7 and 14 discuss the same event, which I believe is the resurrection/rapture – that is why all saints, including those who have gone through the tribulation are seated before the throne of God. It is perfectly timed between the tribulation and the wrath of God… not only in Rev 7 but also in Rev 14. In fact if you read Rev 9:20 those people who endured God’s wrath DID NOT REPENT. There is no repentance during God’s wrath….

  • Reasoned response…. I agree that God is in control at all times. However, if we take that definition, then many Christians have been killed by God’s wrath – for example; ISIS could be considered God’s wrath on the middle east – however, they also kill Christians. Therefore, for the purposes of this discussion, the definition of God’s wrath in Revelation is quite specific. If you go through Revelation God’s wrath is not about tribulation exacted by the son of perdition, it is always a massive natural or supernatural disaster (1/3 sun disappearing, water turning to blood, massive locusts…etc). I do not believe that there are any Christians around to suffer God’s wrath upon unrepentant humanity. According to
    In regard to timing in Revelation I do believe there is timing (I have a video on my website called Revelation – alstoq) where I believe that it is quite clear where Revelation is in order and where it retraces steps already discussed to highlight certain things. For example Revelation 7 and 14 discuss the same event, which I believe is the resurrection/rapture – that is why all saints, including those who have gone through the tribulation are seated before the throne of God. It is perfectly timed between the tribulation and the wrath of God… not only in Rev 7 but also in Rev 14. In fact if you read Rev 9:20 those people who endured God’s wrath DID NOT REPENT. There is no repentance during God’s wrath….

  • I have animals and purchase dog foods, in order that they send me a
    voucher brochure using dog coupons inside.

    • Leonard

      Huh?

  • Silvana

    So now my head hurts listening to Hovind, I am in complete shock that a Christian can disregard the Holy Spirit and the Word of God in this manner! Hovind sounds EXACTLY like all post tribbers, no dispensational understanding whatsoever! And why is he not rebuking Anderson for the blasphemous heretic he is?? Like all confused post tribbers he brings up Matthew 24! SMH! And Grider, how in the world you stayed so calm and collected through that interview is beyond me, God bless you!

  • I love Kent’s Creation videos but when he began to preach about the End Times after he was released from prison, his teaching was way off and really off the wall! I had to stop watching his blog and videos. Such a shame he lost his Blessed Hope and that his End Times information is completely in error.

    • alstor

      It still amazes me how you guys believe the ‘blessed hope’ is to be raptured prior to persecution. Our blessed hope is Jesus. Simple.

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