Hillsong Church Leader Christine Caine Proudly Admits To New Age Practice Of ‘Impartation’

Christine Caine, a Hillsong bible teacher and evangelist, was recently speaking at the same event as bible perverter Joyce "ye are little gods" Meyer. Caine laid hands on Joyce...
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“Oh yes, I did lay my own hands on Joyce Meyer’s bible & teaching notes & prayed for an impartation of that teaching anointing & revelation.”

“Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,” 2 Corinthians 6:17 (KJV)

One reason for the rapid growth of the Hillsong “church” corporation has been it’s willingness to make their church services indistinguishable from your average rock concert and laser light show. Start with 45 minutes of Christian rock “worship”, sprinkle a few minutes of heart-felt “easy believism” and “come get your blessings” emotional manipulation, close with using the Old Testament tithing command to the Jews only to drain their wallets, and viola! Thanks for coming to Hillsong, see you next week. But it doesn’t end there.

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Instagram screen capture from May 13, 2015.

Christine Caine, a Hillsong bible teacher and evangelist, was recently speaking at the same event as bible perverter Joyce “ye are little gods” Meyer. Caine laid hands on Joyce Meyer’s bible and speaking notes, and asked the universe to magically transfer the same (demonic) anointing that’s on Meyer to herself. This is not Biblical Christianity, this is New Age spiritualism. Her exact words were:

““Oh yes, I did lay my own hands on @joycemeyer bible & teaching notes & prayed for an impartation of that teaching anointing & revelation. It was a privilege & honor to shadow her this past week. Far more is “caught” than is ever “taught” in life!” source Instagram

Now, in case you are not aware, this is more in line with witchcraft and spell casting then it is with old-fashioned Bible teaching. In fact, the idea that you can impart this sort of thing was tried in the book of Acts, and roundly rebuked.

“Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.” Acts 8:17-20 (KJV)

When Christine Caine Met Joyce Meyer:

Contrary to the Charismatic teaching that faith is more “caught than taught”, a real and abiding faith in God’s word comes from daily study of His word, as commanded in 2 Timothy 2:15, and then a prayerful application of what you have read and believed. If any Bible teacher that you listen to or follow is engaging in this type of New Age “christianity”, then you need to stop following that false teacher and get back to someone who will give you Bible doctrine.

The fact that Hillsong allows this type of quackery to go on within it’s church tells you everything you need to know about what and how they believe. I will close with this now-prophetic quote from the great 19th century preacher Charles Haddon Spurgeon, who saw this day coming:

“A time will come when instead of shepherds feeding the sheep, the church will have clowns entertaining the goats.” – C.H. Spurgeon

Amen, brother, though thou be dead you yet speaketh. Even so, come Lord Jesus.

 

NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he has a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.
  • Diane

    Okay. So it’s not just me when I look at these Christian Concerts and think how much like a rock concert it emulates with the lack of lighting and type of props. Aldo, I bought Joyce Meyer’s book “Battlefield for the Mind” but just did not feel like touching it after that. It is all definitely strange. Thanks Geoffrey!

    • Lee

      I was attending a church where there was a weekly women’s bible study. They used the Battlefield of the Mind as a study for several weeks. It just so happened I was called away and was to busy to attend these classes. Isn’t God good in how he protects us from the nonsense of this practice? By the way, that church is slowly dying. Couples have slowly left one by one…At the time I left, the church was down to about 12 to 20 people attending each Sunday. I wondered, What is going on that this church does not grow.

  • Diane

    Accurate article!

  • bremertonchristian

    Geoff Who are the dead in Christ and when are they raised?

    • “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:” 1 Thessalonians 4:16 (KJV) – In this passage, the “dead in Christ” refers to the Church, the Body of Christ who have died before the Rapture of the Church. They will be raised at the “trump of God”, which is a voice like a trumpet (Revelation 4:1,2), and not to be confused with the actual Trumpet sounded by the seventh angel in Revelation 11:15. Hope it helps!

      • Penny Davis

        I HAVE BEEN ASKED MANY TIMES AND I NEED AN OUTSIDE OPINION …I VALUE YOURS….” THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE”…I UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE CHRISTIANS THAT DIED PRIOR TO RAPTURE….BUT..IS IT REFERRING TO THEM BEING GIVEN A NEW GLORIFIED BODY BECAUSE JESUS TOLD THE THIEF ON THE CROSS…” TODAY YOU WILL BE WITH ME IN PARADISE”…WITH THAT SAID..DO THE SOULS OF THE DEAD LAY IN THE GROUND TILL RAPTURE…KINDA LIKE TRAPPED IN A DECAYED SETTING OR DO WE INSTANTLY APPEAR BEFORE THE LORD ?
        THANKS AND GOD BLESS

        • Andy

          Penny, the souls of Christians are with the Lord, not in a “soul sleep.”
          “We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.”—2 Corinthians 5:8 KJB
          “But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.”—1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 KJB

        • Jesus took the Thief On The Cross to Paradise, in Abraham’s Bosom next to Hell. He didn’t immediately take him to Heaven. There was no Church at that time, and people got saved differently.

        • The key to understanding is context, as always. The Thessalonians were concerned about their brothers and sisters in Christ who had “fallen asleep” (died) before the Lord came for the Church, His Bride. It was written to provide reassurance to the Church that they would see their beloved in the Lord again, even if they were separated by physical death. The imminence (could happen at any time)of the return of Christ has always been a major doctrine of conservative theologians who interpret the Scriptures literally unless there is clear evidence not to.

      • Lee

        Excellent you answered a question I have always had.

  • Lisa

    Just the fact they are saying they are full on preachers is wrong, women are not to teach/hold authority over men. It’s weird how many men go to see Joyce Meyer in just the past few years, in the beginning she only had women’s conferences. Thanks for sharing this Geoffrey!

    • I just heard this morning , Through a Great man of God, that (Women should not teach,,,,,but it is the man of God’s job, to preach the Gospel of Our Lord Jesus Christ ….It is in God’s Holy Word … just can’t think of where to find the scripure… Just got up ~

    • Lee

      Lisa, you are so right. I am a women and I will not go to any teaching where a women is teaching to MEN and WOMEN. When I brought this up to the minister of the church I was attending, his wife had issue with me. She made sure she thought I was totally wrong. I am sorry, but God has a reason for everything. I should not question his plan. I will not let a women teach my man. PERIOD.

    • Tusitala

      I also hold strongly to the Bible, women should not be preaching and teaching. “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.” 1 Cor 14:34-35 “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. ” 1 Tim 2:12-13

    • CONCEPTUALCLARITY

      It’s refreshing to see somebody stand up for an unpopular truth!

  • nannette

    Does it not seem that these two women are very masculine? Not only this Joyce seems to have had too much botox. There is a reason I bring this up, it is because of Beyoncé: http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/beyonce-to-sasha-fierce-symolic-occult-rebirth/

    • Tusitala

      Amen, sister!

  • nannette
    • Lee

      I heard Joyce once and her husband was in the audience. She actually told of a time where she had to STRAIGHTEN out her husband on something he was wrong on regarding her working or something… WHAT? Wasn’t he ashamed to have his wife spouting their private things in front of an audience? I could not believe it and it sure made me realize, I did not wish to hear anything else she had to say.

      • conceptualclarity

        Pat Robertson said Joyce Meyers puts her husband down quite a lot.

  • nannette

    Very sorry, did not mean to post twice.

  • RC Nice

    After reading Mr. Griders article on Christine Caine and Joyce Meyers, one would have to believe that he thinks if a person does not believe the way he does, they are doomed for hell. I do not watch Joyce Meyers or read her books and I do not know anything about Christine Caine. But I have read a lot of information from this website and it sure looks like the writers from this site look for people to slam any chance they get. If you do not watch out you will be the same people you said C H Spurgeon was talking about.

    • Krystl

      I totally agree with you on this. Slamming everyone they don’t agree with.

      • mike watchinski

        “But What I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them that desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.

        For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.

        And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

        Therefore, it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.”
        (2 Corinthians 11: 12-15)

        RCNice and Krystl,

        We are called to “mark and avoid” those who are contrary to the doctrines in the word of God. (Romans 16:17 and many other places) To not exercise spiritual discernment and to neglect to sound the alarm against the many, many false voices in this apostate “christian” environment we are in is a sin against the Holy God of the bible.

        God did not give us the doctrine of separation for no reason. As Israel was called to be a separated people, so are the true, bible believing people of the new testament called to be aware and vocal of the many traps set along the way by the Deceiver.

        “And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect:…”
        (Exodus 23:13)

        “See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

        Redeeming the time because the days are evil.”
        (Ephesians 5:15-16)

        Be well,
        Mike

      • Sheree

        Spot on. It’s almost as if they gleefully slam other Christians & are happy with themselves for doing so. I, personally find much exaggeration in a great many of the articles published.

    • Lee

      Very true RC, however I approve of people opening my eyes to a false teacher…

  • Sola Scriptura

    We were warned by Jesus and Paul repeatedly that false prophets and teachers would arise from AMONGST the brethren. Now…they are here:

    http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/09/18/false-prophets-and-teachers/

    Warren B. Smith is an excellent youtube teacher on christianity and the new age fyi.

  • Hmm

    Who would be deceived other than those who God wants to be deceived for his purpose?? Why are some deceived, while others are not, if everyone is the same and has an equal chance? It’s because we are all made differently…

    Obviously God is all powerful, he could open their eyes and let them know the truth, if he truly means for them to be saved.
    But he makes some for this purpose…

    • Julienn

      !!! really!!?!?? do you think yourself so special!?? What makes you so much greater than them???? You honestly believe you have some kind of privilege and that’s why you are saved??? Your arrogance sickens me. How dare you think that God intends for you to be saved and them not to be. He loves us all. For you to say He didn’t intend them to be saved is like saying God doesn’t love everyone. Soften your heart and pray for them instead of assuming they’re not intended to be saved! And the church wonders why we the world detests it; it’s not solely because of the Gospel, it’s also because of the lack of love we display. Ghandi said it best, “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

      • Sola Scriptura

        Julienn…ummm lighten up. You are the harsh one in this little dialogue.Hmm has a legitimate question.
        As for the question…my take is that God gives all of us his word and the glory of nature, where he is plainly seen(Psalm 19, Romans 1:18-20). We have a will and can choose to pick up the Bible or read it on our phones. The more we read it and ask the Holy Spirit to teach us, the less likely we will be deceived…but we can chill and watch esp. and hgtv, or read the word. Paul say that we must all know the word so that we aren’t swayed by every wind of teaching. Eat, drink, and breathe the word of God and you won’t be deceived. Ignore it and watch random or false but clever sounding preachers on tv, and you will be fooled when antichrist time comes…which may be soon.

        http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2015/02/14/leadership-in-christ-what-are-the-responsibilities-of-leaders-teachers-and-hearers-of-the-word/

        • ….

          hi Julienn,

          so you mean that we can worship GOD with what we think is better, is it preferential?? it’s either Solemn or as loud like Rock bands do?? Is there an absolute standard when it comes to Worshiping GOD?? Does this mean that we can be like the world on how they perform their act during Worship?? It was told by Paul in Romans not to be Conformed to the world.. I believe that this article is not something that criticize people but exposing what really is happening to the Church today.. I admire you love and conviction for people, but you have said it yourself ” we have discernment and we have the Bible”.. Set standards biblically..

        • Dance D.

          And, Sola Scritura, would you be implying that all teachers on tv are false? You just got through saying that the more you read the Word, the more you know the truth when you hear it. False teachers and preachers are every where… They’re in our own churches… they’re in our own families… They’re everywhere… When you know the truth… you know it when you hear it, you know false teaching when you hear it… Love is what this gospel of Jesus is all about… This is for every one of us… May we take head to this… Time is running out!

      • Brad

        Don’t give an emotional response to these people. They are Calvinists. They believe God only died for the “Elect”, of which they obviously believe they are one. Calvinism is a sick cult that exists because of it’s “proof text” theology. Limited Atonement is a logical conclusion to Penal Substitutionary Atonement. Both are false doctrines. Jesus’ atonement IS the substitute, not Jesus Himself experiencing what we deserve. Jesus did not burn in evelasting fire for us. There is no forgiveness, nor mercy in PSA.

        Calvinism is built on the sand. One day it will be washed away. Stop sinning, or you’ll perish in Hell. According to Calvinism, Jesus actually said, “Repent when I make you repent because you’re one of My Elect, or you’ll perish.”

      • Lee

        Julienn, you are SO right. Thank God He sent His Son to die for our sins. But, we also have an obligation to point out the possibility of loosing our faith to a false prophet. I cannot remember the verses, maybe someone on here can. If we do not point out the sin or give the correction, we will be punished. If we do point out the “thing”, and the people we are talking about do not change, then God will not punish us. But, if we don’t point it out when we know it, we will be punished. Does anyone know where this is in the Bible. I will keep looking…

  • Marian

    What’s that saying? Pastors are entertaining the goats instead of feeding the sheep.
    Mr. Grider, don’t stop exposing the charlatans, even if you step on toes 😉

    • I believe that Brother Spurgeon was referring to the coming day when the Church service would no longer be about Jesus and the Bible, but merely entertainment. That day has arrived.

      • Jane

        Mr Grider, with all respect, have you attended any Hillsong Church services?? Have you listened to the teachings of their Pastors?? I guess there’s a fine line in definition between providing entertainment these days and attending a worship service. If I attend a Church service that has songs/music playing that I either don’t know or don’t like, does that mean I’m only being entertained in that Church?? I happen to like a lot of the more modern worship music out there, but I’m equally happy to sit through Handel’s Messiah. I have personally found the sermons I have listened to from the Pastors of Hillsong Church to be very much about Jesus and the Bible. Many people are very quick to jump to conclusions and judge things they don’t know much about or understand, but please don’t get caught up in that. No, I’m not a member of Hillsong Church, I listen to many preachers from around the world via podcast every week. God bless you, Sir.

  • Marian

    And just to be clear, my paraphrase of Spurgeon’s quote illustrates how far the American church has fallen. I’m sure he would not be “entertained” by this article and Grider’s commentary, but rather saddened and disgusted. Just a few months ago, a mother in our homeschool group told about a youth minister bringing music by Miley Cyrus to play in a Wednesday night gathering. What passes as “worship” these days is alarming to those of us who have a healthy fear of God.

  • C peters

    Be very careful of Christians you put down. Both of these woman love the Lord with all of their heart. I am deeply concerned with people like you who tear apart ministries and try to find fault. Joyce Meyers has a fantastic track record. She is the most humble, Godly woman I can think of. Please reconsider your attack on the Hillsong people. I see a large stick in someone’s eye. Look at the world and all the other people who are far away from God. Stop attacking the brethren .

    • BHarlow

      I find your post to be very poor concerning your insight of what you have said and written. You used a scripture and I quote: ““Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.” Acts 8:17-20 (KJV)”.
      How dare you twist the word of God to non effect? I don’t know whom you claim to be but however this scripture is very clear. Those who tried to bribe God and God’s children are to be put into their place. Such as now and what I am doing with you. You are NOT God and you have NO RIGHT to twist, play with, add too or take away from the word of God for any reason. Also, You are NOT anyone’s judge only God is and you need to learn your place regardless of whom you THINK you are as I assure you right now, you have very, very far to go to be able to even comment in the slightest against a child of God. As the scriptures say ” it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God”. Be VERY careful of the words that come out of your mouth as they have the power to either bless or curse you and the tongue also has the power of life and death. I sincerely and humbly will advise you to take down this article as well as going before the True Throne of GOD and seeking His forgiveness and Face.

    • Anne

      Please take time to learn about Joyce Meyer. Test her actions and words against Scripture as we are instructed. Ask the Lord to reveal the truth to you and open your eyes. He will. He opened mine.

    • Sola Scriptura

      Joyce Meyer is worth tens of millions…mostly compliments of people who send her money or read her clever sounding but false books. Again…she is worth millions…and she teaches things more akin to withhcraft the Jesus Christ. She says you create your own reality by claiming your blessing. Umm, no. I claim Jesus Christ and his cross, through who I was crucified to the world and the world to me.
      She does not do what Peter and Paul did…preach repentance for the forgiveness of sins. She preaches what colossians 2 says are in tune with the basic principles of this world but not Christ. Plus the money is sickening. See what Paul said about money and the ministry. He speaks on it often, and clearly:
      http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/11/14/teachers-preachers-and-wealth/

  • Miriam

    I can not even watch that video clip. Her face lift is to much. People are so vain about what the public wants to see instead of what the public wants to hear. The Truth and nothing but the truth is what I want to hear. Had to leave her many years ago and I thank Jesus for that decision and push. I hope others do too!

  • Fellow Christian

    When asked which commandment was the greatest Jesus replied “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind (intellect).This is the great (most important, principal) and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as [you do] yourself. These two commandments sum up and upon them depend all the Law and the Prophets.” – Matthew 22:37-40.

    I pray for those that write these articles filled with hate and then claim to love Jesus and God.

    “[My] brethren, do not speak evil about or accuse one another. He that maligns a brother or judges his brother is maligning and criticizing the Law and judging the Law. But if you judge the Law, you are not a practicer of the Law but a censor and judge [of it].” James 4:11

    Joyce and Christine are both children of God and He loves them both dearly. He loves the author of this article just as much and I know it grieves Him that His children, his Church cannot unite in love for the good of those that do not yet know Him. We do a great disservice to God, to Jesus and to the Church when we do not show the love of God to one another.

    I pray that God blesses you with a revelation of His great love for you and for the world.

    • I spoke evil of no one. Joyce Meyer teaches false doctrine, that’s a well-established fact. Christine Caine was invoking New Age spirituality by “laying hands” on Meyer’s bible and wishing that her “revelation and anointing” would enter her. So are you saying, that in the “spirit” of love, we should IGNORE obviously false teaching and just accept everything that everyone has to say whether it lines up with the bible or not? Because is you are, then you are working to fulfill this: “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” 2 Timothy 4:3,3 (KJV)

      • tommy c

        Hi,

        Paul’s anointing passed to “handkerchiefs and aprons” and the anointing in turn healed others. Perhaps the idea of laying hands on possessions to “pass on” the Spirit’s anointing comes from this passage:

        Acts 19:11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul: 12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

      • Mittuh dave

        “I spoke evil of no one”. That is not true – when you accuse fellow believers of being motivated by evil spirits, is that not speaking evil? When you take Scriptures out of context to condemn others, as you did the Acts 8 passage, is that not speaking evil? When you question the motives of others simply because they hold to a charismatic theology, is that not evil? You claim you are opposing false doctrine but you aren’t. You are simply throwing rocks at fellow believers who you happen to disagree with. Articles like this are exactly why so many are leaving the church and accusing us of being hypocrites.

      • Geoffrey, thanks for standing up for truth! See how the followers of this deceptive teaching use the standard Leftist retort: if you cannot refute a point with a logical counterpoint then smear the author and claim they are full of “hate” – all the people who shake, bark like dogs, claim to be drunk in the Spirit are actually following behavior very much like Hinduism (it’s called kundalini spirit) my spelling may be a bit off, but the point is sound doctrine is being replaced with entertainment, appeal to greed, and love of self! Thank you brother for standing up to this deception. No doubt they’ll call me a hater of the brethren but so be it – My challenge to them: prove your behavior is Biblical!!

        • Wendy

          Tony, AND Geoff, I agree with you 100%!!!
          The Lord tells us that “you will know them by their fruit”, that we are to be “fruit inspectors” (MY paraphrase).

          I cannot speak to the Hillsong woman from my having watched her, never have. I was heavily into New Age ideals before I was saved (I was gullible enough to not realize that all of the New Age stuff and people that I was around had to do with a RELIGION of sorts. I just figured that it was “real life”) and now totally bristle when I see evidences of it in a “Believer”. ESPECIALLY if they are teaching.

          As for Joyce Meyers, she disqualified herself in my eyes not only for her take on the Gospel, but it was her DEMEANOR I had/have huge problems with!!

          She is loud, brash, and at times bordering on belligerent. THAT is not of the Lord, who says that, for a Woman of God, “a quiet and gentle spirit is precious in His sight”.

          I am not a “Hater” (a buzzword used SOOOO inaccurately often). I am observent with discernment, and red flags can simply go off. The Holy Spirit will say to me, “Do not be interested in them”.

          THAT is not “hating”, for crying out loud! THAT is OBEDIENCE.

          Good job, Geoff~~

      • Wendy

        You’re doing great, Geoff.

        The young people of this world have been conditioned to think that if you disagree, critique, criticize or (in preference of Biblical terms) USE DISCERNMENT, then you are “Filled (no less!) With hate”.

        To our Fellow Christian I respectfully say, it is pleasing to the Lord to weigh truth vs error. To point out falsehood IS LOVING, NOT “hateful”! Please don’t succumb to the twisted thought processes of this current world where good is evil and evil is good.

        Ask the Holy Spirit to show you the Truth of the matter. He is Faithful, and will do it.

    • Sola Scriptura

      Fellow Christian – Jesus and Paul warned us repeatedly to watch out for false teachers in the church. Their main characteristics? Greed and teaching things people want to hear. Joyce is worth tens of millions and she teaches sweet sounding lies that have little to do with the Bible. She can sprinkle in some christian lingo, but it isn’t biblical. In Titus 3:10 and Romans 16:17-18 we are told to reject heretics. All of Timothy and Titus teach that we must teach sound doctrine. The writing below lays out with clarity how Jesus and Paul told us to watch for wolves in sheep clothing inside the church. This article by Mr. Grider is doing just what they commanded us to do. Jesus didn’t come to bring peace but a sword:

      http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/09/18/false-prophets-and-teachers/

      • Julienn

        lighten up??? He didn’t ask a legitimate question, those were rhetorical so he could comment that God chooses who He wants saved and who he doesn’t. Excuse me for being outraged at the most unloving thing I’ve ever heard about the most loving God.

  • Julienn

    As the church, why are we focusing on this? We are able to feed ourselves. Instead of criticizing these people, pray for them. Instead of talking about how they are unbiblical, set the example in your own life. It is disheartening to read about the division you people have over something like how charismatic someone is or their worship style. I’m sorry, when did the Bible say what worship looks like? Did it ever lay out a format? A specific tempo for the music? Obviously not. If it’s wholeheartedly for God and to bring Him glory, why are you criticizing it? If you don’t like it, don’t watch it and don’t practice it. It is not unbiblical and these people are not going against the Gospel. If you think their worship sounds like a rock concert, then worship in a way you think is better. Why are you criticizing these people when their purpose is to bring glory to God? Who are you to say what their true intentions are? As followers of Christ, we have discernment and we have the Bible. Use them to your advantage instead of assuming what the author is saying here is true. No offense to you as a person Grider. I appreciate that you are standing to your convictions and want to see change but I feel like this is just causing more division than anything. It’s okay to not like someone’s style of preaching or worshipping, but the way it comes off in here is like they are unbiblical when they are not.

    • ^_^

      hi Julienn,

      so you mean that we can worship GOD with what we think is better, is it preferential?? it’s either Solemn or as loud like Rock bands do?? Is there an absolute standard when it comes to Worshiping GOD?? Does this mean that we can be like the world on how they perform their act during Worship?? It was told by Paul in Romans not to be Conformed to the world.. I believe that this article is not something that criticize people but exposing what really is happening to the Church today.. I admire you love and conviction for people, but you have said it yourself ” we have discernment and we have the Bible”.. Set standards biblically..

      • Julienn

        Since when has looking like the world been evil or wrong? Being PART of the world is what’s wrong. Since when have we not been able to worship in a way that looks like the world? It’s a heart issue/matter. If I mosh while worshipping like they do at rock concerts, what makes you feel like that is wrong? Because it looks like the world? I’d argue that you should open your eyes and see that it is being done it worship. If you’re so worried about not looking like the world, maybe we should stop singing praises to God because the world uses music. I don’t know what is driving you people to think worship has to look a specific way and it can’t look anything like the world, but no offense but I think it’s time to broaden your horizons. Many point out that we aren’t to look like the world and I agree to some extent, but not the same as you. I’d argue you must look like Christ with your love. I can’t even believe this is a real disagreement. Are we really to be divided over worship styles? Unfortunately it seems so…

        • mittuh dave

          I agree with you, Julienn. These are the same people who worship the KJV and claim all other versions are “corrupted”. They and decry any sign of emotion in worship as “fleshly” or “demonic”, despite the fact that God created us with emotion and expects us to worship with heart, soul, mind, and body. These arguments are old and tired – they’ve been going on for decades and yet these people still demand allegiance to the “grand old hymns of the faith”, many of which are re-written bar songs.

          • Jane

            I agree with you both, Julienn and Mittuh Dave. I have an issue that any sign of emotion in worship is “fleshly” or “demonic”. Are we not to love God with all our heart and soul and being?? Does that not include our emotions?? For me, worship is an emotional thing…it’s about expressing my love for my Heavenly Father. I don’t know how to do that without emotion. As for some Church services looking more like rock concerts than church, who’s to judge that?? If this is a way of reaching new people, young people, and bringing them to the Lord’s Table, then how do you argue against it?? Any worship style that brings people to declaring that Jesus is their Saviour is a good thing in my opinion.

  • eddie santana

    Well, regarding Caine and Meyer, the best way to recognize phony teaching is being well versed in right doctrine. (Best way to spot a counterfeit, is to be an expert on the real thing.)

  • Bheki

    Apostasy on steroids!

  • eddie santana

    Penny, I’m sure you’ll get some great answers, but the Bible says, “We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.” 2 Corinthians 5:8. Man is a soul housed in a living body. The soul only stays in the body while it is alive. The saved soul goes to be with the Lord. Geoff, do you agree?

    • Man is a Tri-partate being. Think of it like a football which has an outside layer you can see and touch, an inside bladder, and then the invisible air which pumps it all up. We are made in 3 as well. We have our outside flesh, an inside soul, and an invisible spirit given to us from God. When the body dies, the soul and spirit go to Heaven to be with the Lord.

    • Netalient Sass

      As per the bible the dead no nothing not happy no dreams and God give the breath of life not a soul it’s like a energy source and yes that go back to Him when we die until the day when He return.In the bible there is only 3dead and they came back on the mountain because God had their bodies as per the bible

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  • eddie santana

    I wanted to say that, but I kept it simple…but now that you’ve opened that conversation, here’s support for the soul and spirit, found in Hebrews 4:12: “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” It is said that the spirit is how we communicate with God, and since we’re born spiritually dead, when we’re born again the spirit comes back to life, able to fellowship with God then. Because in John 4:24, it says that “God is a Spirit…” So, could it be because God is a spirit, that the “breath of life” God breathed into Adam and Eve was a part of His own spirit, fused with the soul he created Man as? That becomes really interesting, because if Jesus didn’t have a soul before he become incarnate, he did after. So how’s this for awesomeness…God makes us a part of him by giving us a part of his spirit, and then Man becomes a part of God when Jesus gets a soul! (Because remember—John says God is a Spirit, nothing about a soul! I must do more research on this!

    • Wendy

      Hey Eddie, now THAT was thought-provoking!

  • Ron

    Did you never read Romans 1:11 where Paul said, “For I long to see you, that I may IMPART unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established”? Be careful who you accuse of witchcraft.

    • Wendy

      Ron, using the word Impart in a sentence is fine. However, we don’t read of Paul trying some kind of spiritual mumbo-jumbo in an attempt to “move” something in one person to someone else.

  • tommy c

    Is the same thing happening in Acts 19:11-12?

  • eddie santana

    Tommy C, I might even buy that…but I still don’t think Joyce Meyers is a good role model.

    • tommy c

      Who is a good role model besides Jesus Christ?

      The point is.. is “impartation” heresy or not? If I pray for God’s anointing to pass through an object to heal others for example, is that new age/heresy or Biblical according to Acts 19:11-12?

      • Zealtrou

        God created everything Satan created nothIng … so anything that he does has to be a perversion of an an original which was created by God and.. He is a good God and does all things well. Why are we all so scared of a defeated enemy that we limit the power of our Awesome God?

  • Val

    I think we are looking at two issues here. The one with why the Hillsong church is growing the way it is and the statement by Joyce Meyer making a statement that we are gods. I actually do not follow Joyce Meyer and her teachings but I will quote what the Bible says in Psalms 82:6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High”
    I DONT KNOW IN WHAT CONTEXT Joyce Meyer taught this, but lets use the Word of God as our plumb-line.
    Regarding impartation from Meyer to Cain, lets take what Paul said “I model no man after the flesh” 2 Cor 5:1616 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.”
    Meyer has been given her own measure of grace and so has Caine. Caine should operate according to her own measure according to Ephesians.

  • Val

    By the way Mr Strider

    You write the most brilliant articles and are so up to date. Thank you

  • Tusitala

    “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” 1 John 4:1 I stay to my King James Bible, if a statement by a preacher is not backed up with the pure Word of God, I do not listen. I pay absolutely no attention to a woman preaching as it is forbidden and I have felt a spirit of rebellion and masculinity in those women which is troubling. God bless all out there, we live in perilous times indeed, Jesus preserve us, keep us strong in You.

  • mittuh dave

    Wow this person has some serious anger issues and a lot of rocks he loves to throw at others! I count at least 6 problems just in the first paragraph alone… This guy clearly despises anything labelled “charismatic” and apparently assumes anything supernatural must be New Age and/or demonic. Those are real issues, and I don’t agree with Joyce Meyer on everything – but to condemn an entire movement within Christianity of being inspired by the demonic is just flat out evil. And dangerous. The Pharisees accused Jesus of being empowered by evil spirits when He was healing, casting out demons, and engaging in other practices which would be deemed “charismatic” by writers such as this. In Mark 3:29 Jesus gave a pretty strong warning against accusing those operating under the Holy Spirit’s influence of doing the devil’s work. As for the question of impartation, 2 Timothy 1:6-7 is a good place to begin. If impartation is a “New Age” practice, then this writer must think Paul was a false prophet. The story of Simon the Sorcerer he quotes in Acts 8 is NOT a condemnation of impartation – the guy tried to BUY a spiritual gift. There was no repentance and that is the issue here. This author is twisting the Scriptures to back up his point and should not be trusted. Nothing new here – just another hyper-judgmental fundamentalist who hates charismatics and has more in common with the Pharisees than the early Church. He doesn’t deserve your trust and I wouldn’t give him the time of day.

  • eddie santana

    @Tommy C: I will concede that the Acts 19:11 principle is biblical, but as regarding healing. Whether wisdom and knowledge and holiness can be imparted through objects, the Bible is silent on that. Especially of the likes of Joyce Meyers. So I think the article should be more about her, than impartation. If God would use Meyers like that, I doubt it. I can say that the Holy Spirit being imparted to someone comes from a personal relationship with the Lord, and not on another’s “coat tails,” just as being saved is.

    • tommy c

      Look at the title of the article. The author implies that praying over objects and the belief that they can impart a spiritual anointing is occult, when it actually has a Biblical basis, but maybe people over at Grider’s Baptist church think gifts have ceased or something.

      • Those gifts have INDEED ceased. To prove my point, go get your best “faith healer” and come with me to the HOSPITAL. We shall see how many get healed. If it’s not 100%, then thats not the gift of healing from Mark 16 or the book of James….so, come on over and show me what you got. I will post the results, whatever they are, as FRONT PAGE NEWS on my site for a month. Ready? Because I am…

        • Mittuh dave

          Geoffrey, based on the above post it sounds like you are relying more on experience than Scripture. That’s a dangerous way to craft your theology.

        • tommy c

          Bible quote proving gifts have ceased please.

  • eddie santana

    Well folks, you can’t say that the folks at NTEB don’t make us think…whether their information is 100% on target or not. What you’ll find here is a reflection on different spins of theological and denominational viewpoints, but the slippery slope is one claiming to corner the market on “correct” doctrine. Being human there’s always room for error. But to say one’s views are absolute except on the doctrine of salvation by faith, and not works is to go into otherwise unfavored territory.

    • Ron

      Well said.

    • mittuh dave

      There is a BIG difference between holding differing “spins of theological and denominational viewpoints” and accusing those who disagree with you of being demon-possessed heretics. Honest and open disagreement is healthy, but this article is poison.

  • eddie santana

    Absolutely right, Tussy! Just because God made a couple of exceptions with women prophets in the past doesn’t negate the fact that God said for women not to usurp men’s authority. Just because God spoke through a donkey once, so now look for more donkeys talking? I think not. lol

  • Tom

    Sorry, but I can’t understand the condemnation of Hillsongs music. Please watch the attached video and tell me this is somehow not heartfelt worship.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wku9OphQ7JE

    Here is a live version. Are these people not worshiping the One True God?

    • eddie santana

      Tom, maybe so. But how do you know they’re not getting into the “music, only” like the rockers do? You can’t. Only God knows the true intents of the heart.

      • Phil

        So people singing 16th-century hymns for years are always worshiping God with their whole hearts? They are never getting into the “music, only”? This is how by traditions of men, you establish commandments of men to regulate how people should worship God, according to your own personal cultural taste. Did Jesus and the apostles sing the 16th-, 17th-, 18th-century Anglo-saxon hymns you deem godly? Do you sing the 1st- and 2nd-century hymns that Jesus and the early disciples sang? Start by casting the beam out of your eye before seeking to remove the speck out of your brother’s.

  • Tom

    I don’t think so. If you watch the lyric video I posted, I think it’s clear that they are worshiping and praising the Lord.

  • eddie santana

    Well, I think modes of worship are a cultural thing, really. I mean, just as someone might not be comfortable in a African tribal type of Christian worship, you can’t right away label it evil or insincere, but I will say that when an organization associates with the likes of Joyce Meyers, it does make that organization somewhat suspect, that’s all I’m saying. That’s why the bible warns about being careful of the company you keep.

  • Tom

    Eddie,
    I couldn’t agree more, but when you listen and read the lyrics, I don’t think it can be taken any other way than worship, regardless of who the organization associates with.

  • Sally

    Seriously?!! What a distoration of Scripture!!! Who do you think were the ORIGINAL ONES who laid their hands on the people and they recieved the Holy Spirit? Peter and PAUL! Were they ALSO practicing witchcraft??? Whether I agree with Christine Caine or not……. YOU are the ones not correctly handling the Word of Truth, and you yourselves better check you hearts if you are going to “interrpret” Scripture for others- incorrectly!!

    • Christians today do NOT have the apostolic signs and gifts of healing….

      • Mittuh dave

        Hm…. Wondering where the Bible says gifts of healing would cease to exist in our day??? Seems to me someone is adding to the Scriptures.

        • tommy c

          It’s an issue of faith, or lack thereof. Satan definitely wants us to think we’re powerless and that the Spirit’s anointing has departed from us.

          • mittuh dave

            Exactly. These people design their theology around lack of power rather than what the Bible actually teaches. You have to insert your own assumptions INTO the Scriptures rather than believing what they actually say, to buy into secessionist doctrine.

  • Jacob

    I’m not endorsing Caine’s action, but…

    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

    “praying for an impartation” ≠ “asking the universe to magically transfer anointing”, sorry.

    Please refrain from using logical fallacies to prove your point, it makes me want to commit the fallacy fallacy.

    🙂

  • eddie santana

    I hope so.

  • eddie santana

    Hmmm…methinks there are some Hillsong/Joyce Meyer fans running around….

  • Arlene Whitfield

    Great article!

  • Barbara Bricker Culotti

    It’s “voila,” not “viola.”

  • eddie santana

    Geoff, before you say that the spiritual gift of healing is gone, who was it that was performing the healings in the New Testament? The Holy Spirit through the apostles and disciples. But—bear in mind that before Jesus was crucified, the disciples were performing healings and casting out of demons as well, in Jesus’ name, by way of the Holy Spirit. In Mark Chapter 16 Jesus says, “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
    16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
    17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
    18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
    19 ¶ So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
    20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
    People are still evangelizing, and the Lord is still working with them. The Bible talks further on spiritual gifts:
    Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
    Romans 12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
    1 Corinthians 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
    1 Corinthians 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
    1 Corinthians 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
    1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
    1 Corinthians 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
    1 Corinthians 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
    1 Corinthians 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

    So look at the offices in the church in 1 Cor. 12:28: apostles, prophets, teachers, miracles, gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. I would almost buy that the Holy Spirit used apostles only for healings, but the disciples were doing it too. We’re (Christians) all disciples, and Jesus promised we’d do greater things than him when he goes to the Father (John 14:12). I’ll take up for someone when they’re right, but I can’t when scripture doesn’t support it. 🙂

  • eddie santana

    Dang Geoff, you sound just like doubting Thomas. But Jesus did say blessed are those who believe! lol

  • eddie santana

    Jane, the issue is not the emotion shown in worship…the issue is whether it is sincere or not. You can’t tell the intents of one’s heart just by looking at them. Jesus said, You judge on the outward appearance,” but Jesus looks at the heart. You can’t assume just because it’s during worship. God will let the wheat grow with the tares. But if you guys have the market on who you know is sincere, then you are truly special indeed!

  • eddie santana

    I would have to agree. Just because it doesn’t happen on command doesn’t mean it won’t, or doesn’t. Jesus said some spirits can only be removed and illnesses cured by prayer and fasting.

  • eddie santana

    Hi Allison! I believe the correct rendering is “woman should not teach (or usurp authority from) men. And the rationale is that the woman (Eve) was deceived and Adam just went along with her. 1 Timothy 2:12-14.

  • Arnold

    Those who are deceived, do not know that they are deceived, for they are deceived. People can be very sincere in what they do or say, but they can still be sincerely wrong. Strange that not many people include discernment in their list of spiritual gifts they want to be “imparted” with

  • DW

    I just watched the video clip of Christine describing her obsession with meeting Joyce Meyer. I can honestly say I cannot think of even one person on the face of this earth that could inspire that level of idol worship in me over the possibility of meeting them! I used to be a Joyce Meyer fan for several years and learned a lot from her teaching. However, over time I noticed a emphasis on money, and an increasing arrogance that broke my heart and turned me off of her for good. Christine needs to redirect her slobbering worship back to the only One who will never change or disappoint her!

    • Wendy

      DW, you noticed that too, huh? She was truly “awe-struck” and fawning over Joyce Meyer.

      Save that for Jesus, Christine! Your idol worship is showing and it makes me feel sad to watch.

      • Barbara Lovett

        In 1 Timothy 2:11 Paul instructs Timothy…”Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13. For Adam was the first formed, then Eve. 14. And Adam was not deceived, but woman being deceived was in transgression. 15. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing. If they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
        Also,in Titus Chapter 2:5 gives us information on women’s roles.

        By the way, who is going to raise the children…teach them right from wrong?? And of course, take care of their husbands. I believe Paul’s teachings are for today as well.

  • Phil

    Have you never read:
    – Romans 1:11 -> “For I long to see you, that I may IMPART uUNTO YOU SOME SPIRITUAL GIFT, to the end ye may be established” ;
    – 1 Timothy 4:14 -> “Neglect not the GIFT that is in thee, which was GIVEN thee BY prophecy, WITH the LAYING ON OF THE HANDS of the presbytery.”

    So you write such an article in whole ignorance of the Word of God, and do curse yourself in the process since you are speaking against the Word of God, just to attack some people you do not agree with?

    It is time to repent, to turn from your own thoughts to God’s thoughts, from your own words to God’s Word which is truth and is written in the Scripture. It is time to buy of Christ eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.

  • Donna R Brown

    Once we see a woman claiming a leadership and teaching role after knowing the Bible teaches against it, I’m wondering if we should even stick around long enough to find out if what she’s teaching is scriptural?
    I have to confess, I did watch Joyce Meyer for a few years, back when she was teaching women, rather than taking a pastoral position for the entire church, including the men and elders.
    There are many errors in the name it/claim it theology which alone make it questionable to follow the prosperity doctrines.
    Now, to the gifts the apostles had: they had these spiritual gifts for a season, the Word tells us. There was a very specific time for which these types of teaching were needed.
    Once the mystery was revealed to Paul, the message was transformed. I used to often wonder why Peter would say one thing and Paul something else. It’s something that has led me to a great deal of praying, reading, and searching. My conclusion was, that these particular spiritual gifts were for a season. The Lord’s planning is perfect! I used to agonize over what I thought looked like contradictions in the word, the NT in particular. It was all part of the New Testament, right? So therefore it was for the church age. Us! So why would Peter give one set of instructions and Paul another?
    Then I began to understand that Peter was addressing the Jews for a season. Paul was teaching after the canon of scripture was complete, for a time such as the church age, the age of grace in which we reside.
    When the Jews viewed their instructions, their past and their future, they were looking across a chasm, seeing the age of the Jews, straight across to the end times, not even vaguely aware of the 7 years that would be taken from the Age of Israel, or of the church age.
    This time, this season, was inserted at the exact point God chose. We are blessed to be of this time just as the Jews were blessed to be of the time, or dispensation, they were in.
    When the disciples had these gifts, it was for a time prescribed by God. Once the church age is complete, the 7 years remaining of the age of Israel will occur. God is a God of His Word. Those years will occur, just as He said they would. His precise attention to detail never ceases to amaze me!
    He is the one true God, the One who loves us exceedingly. He has very specific instructions for His people, for each time period, for each dispensation.
    There are no mistakes, no contradictions, no holes in the Gospel of Truth. Our Lord wouldn’t go to such great lengths as to design a plan of salvation only to watch us fall through the cracks of a damaged plan. His love for us is far too great. Those gifts were for a season. There are also benefits to living in our time period. None of us are an orphaned people who landed in an era that lacks the fullness of God. Each of our times has very unique blessings and advantages, and He has given us the specifics of such very clearly in His word.
    Geoffrey, thank you for taking the time to call out acts of false teaching. It’s not popular, it’s often controversial, but it’s necessary.
    If any of you doubt what Geoffrey is saying, test it against the scripture. He’s more than willing for you to compare his teachings to what the word tells us we are to teach.

    • Wendy

      I have NEVER had peace watching Joyce Meyers. These pays have touched on my reasons:
      1) Loud and worldly character
      2) teaching over men in a church setting, and
      4) CORRUPTING GOD’S WORD.

      With those strikes against her, shouldn’t people use their God-given discernment rather that blindly defend her? Or is it that the itching ears are being scratched?~~~

  • eddie santana

    Wendy, I guess women like Meyer’s strong, manly ways. 🙂

    • Wendy

      Hey Eddie, perhaps you’re right.
      However, as we know, God’s not very impressed by feminism! He prefers obedience….:-D

  • pondering

    “If any Bible teacher that you listen to or follow is engaging in this type of New Age “christianity”, then you need to stop following that false teacher and get back to someone who will give you Bible doctrine.”

    Here, here. But shouldn’t you say this of all false religions/teachers? Why do you end with a quote by C H Spurgeon who was a Calvinist/false teacher/heretic? The ideology of Calvinism is no different than Islam.

    God says it would be better if he tied a milestone around neck…….

  • eddie santana

    I really understand and appreciate the plight of women: their lives are a balance between godliness (if they are so inclined), femininity, and their own requirements for self-esteem and establishing their life’s goals. I believe women can compete with, and show men up without seeking out traditional masculine jobs/roles. The same goes with men and traditional women dominated fields. I believe gender confusion has caused the gender neutrality in the country. They are trying to get rid of gender distinction except when it comes to public restrooms. Come on world, you can’t have it both ways. If there is gender neutrality, then there is no need for separate restrooms. The point is, gender neutrality is demonic, silly, and not a guarantor of fair treatment. I think you had it right…the operative word is obedience.

  • tim

    witch hunt christianity at it’s finest … way off guys …

    • Wendy

      Hi Tim,
      God calls His children to certain high standards. To not be deceived is one of them. We work together to inform each other of information so that will not happen, altho not everyone can see the deception or is willing to admit that it is there.

      What appears to you to be unloving is actually a great love! Unfortunately, not everyone can see that.

      Blessings to you!

  • eddie santana

    Wendy, you are so cool, and your husband is a blessed man (having you). I almost thought that maybe God could use even Joyce Meyer to touch a person, but then you reminded me about the quiet and gentle spirit, and I have second thoughts. But you never know. 🙂

    • Wendy

      Eddie, what a kind thing to say! Thank you for your encouragement in my growth as a Christian! As for me, I KNOW that no good exists in me apart from the Spirit of the Living God! To Him be the Glory!

      I’d like to add just a note concerning being a wife who seeks to please her husband AND the Lord: doing that is NOT always easy!!!

      We, as humans, like to do things our own way and in our own timing. Nobody better tell us what to do! Well, a Christian wife has TWO beings over her that she must submit to! I can say that I have plenty of ideas and desires as to how life should go and it certainly takes the Filling of the Holy Spirit to be able to willingly move those aside in favour of what the Lord, as well as my Husband, wants.

      The enemy tries to foster resentment in me. I seek to not allow that.

      Personally, I am blessed with a very kind, patient and GODLY husband, 28 years my senior. We’ve been married for 26 years. Came to the Lord 19 years ago, 1 month apart. He treats me with much love and sensitivity and makes it, therefore, fairly easy to submit to him. We both strive to live for our Savior.

      My heart goes out to the women who have husbands unlike mine. Some men (and women) are very difficult to deal with, even the saved one’s!!

      Men: please have mercy on your wives who seek to be godly in their lives with you. It is tough to have to continually set aside what you want for the sake of others.

      Many blessings, I pray O Lord, for those couples who seek to make You smile with their quiet goings-on between themselves at home~

    • Hello Brother Eddie Santana, I enjoyed reading your comments. Below you can find a long comment I wrote to brother Geoffrey that will let you know who I am. I just wanted to share with you an essay on the biblical(non-existent) base for women pastors that I thought might interest you. Click on the link:
      http://thelightseed.blogspot.com.br/search?q=should+a+woman+be+ordained+a+pastor
      God bless and keep you.
      Jean-Louis.

  • Hello, brother Geoffrey. I just subscribed to your blog. Very good article on women using New Age occult techniques. I spent 14 years involved in NAM and occult Hindu teachings and practices before the Lord Jesus rescued me out of darkness into his light.

    When I attended charismatic churches in CA and NC from 35 years ago on to 2009, I was amazed at the rituals and occult techniques the churchesservices used, impartation, visualisation, meditation, affirmations, chanting mantras, etc, that were some of the same practices we used in the occult. I went to the leader ship and was rebuked as a trouble maker. I found the same things infiltrating and invading the churches in Brazil where I now live. Some of these influences come directly from the US as the wolves gather crowds in around the country big conferences. Women pastors are a commonly accepted thing in all of South and Central America.

    I started a multilingual blog in 2007 and an English only edition at the beginning of this year to do my part in warning of what some awakened Christians are seeing in today´s churches´ false teachers and prophets and reporting it.
    I wrote an essay on the biblically base rebuttal of women pastors you might be intested in reading. Here is the link: http://thelightseed.blogspot.com.br/2012/03/should-woman-be-ordained-pastor-of.html
    God bless you and your ministry. Grace and Peace from the Lord Jesus.

    • Wendy

      WELCOME, JEAN-LOUIS!! I can sense the Holy Spirit in me assuring me that you are indeed my brother (HOWEVER the Spirit recognizes Himself in another person and gives assurance,I don’t know.I’m trusting that you know what I mean…).

      THANK YOU for your post! I can see that you will be a valuable asset to this community.

      Peace be with you~~

      • Hello, Wendy! Thank you for the welcome and the trust factor. It was hard for me to shift gears and start writing a blog, mainly because I like to speak with people in person and I enjoy witnessing and sharing the Gospel face to face.

        I left my home in North Carolina and landed in Brazil 6 years ago. the Lord has given me the opportunity and privilege to write of my adventures in the faith wherever he led me on 4 continents. I enjoy it immensely and have gotten used to write and send my articles, poems and studies as one who trusts a message in a bottle to the waves in hope that somebody might read it and be blessed and transformed by the power of the Holy Spirit and the Truth of the Word of God.

        If you go to my blog, it´s a bit eclectic, but don´t be overwhelmed, there is method! The best way to navigate my “English only edition” is to go to the left lateral bar and clink on the links. Most of my own writing is there in different categories. The main central space is for random daily posting on various important topics that I glean on the Net. You are welcome to visit: http://thelightseed.blogspot.com the multilingual and http://lightnseed.blogspot.com
        Thanks again for your kind words. Grace and Peace to you.

      • Hello, Wendy! Thank you for the welcome and the trust factor.
        It was hard for me to shift gears and start writing a blog, mainly because I like to speak with people in person and I enjoy witnessing and sharing the Gospel face to face.
        I left my home in North Carolina and landed in Brazil 6 years ago. the Lord has given me the opportunity and privilege to write of my adventures in the faith wherever he led me on 4 continents. I enjoy it immensely and have gotten used to write and send my articles, poems and studies as one who trusts a message in a bottle to the waves in hope that somebody might read it and be blessed and transformed by the power of the Holy Spirit and the Truth of the Word of God.
        If you go to my blog, it´s a bit eclectic, but don´t be overwhelmed, there is method! The best way to navigate my “English only edition” is to go to the left lateral bar and clink on the links. Most of my own writing is there in different categories. The main central space is for random daily posting on various important topics that I glean on the Net. You are welcome to visit: http://thelightseed.blogspot.com the multilingual and http://lightnseed.blogspot.com

        Thanks again for your kind words. Grace and Peace to you.

      • Hi Wendy,I don´t know what happened. Sorry for the double posting.
        Jean-Louis.

    • CONCEPTUALCLARITY

      Good, but you should have included I Corinthians 14:33-37. That really lays the let-women-be-pastors nonsense to rest.

  • eddie santana

    Brother J-L,
    You post about woman pastors sounds like something I might have written. Very nice, and I wholeheartedly agree.

    • Thanks brother Eddie, there are also a few women that would agree with me. Usually they are the ones who had a good mother role model or haven´t been negatively influenced by the feminists in the church or in the universities.

  • eddie santana

    Dance, you are spot on, except that unfortunately some people don’t know false teaching when they hear it, that’s the dangers of false teachers. Just ask all the victims/followers of cults like JW’s, Mormons, Catholicism, Muslims, etc.

  • Lee

    Hey everyone….I think what is going on here is you are dwelling on the music of the worship…..I think all Christians go through growth and what might have been acceptable to you when you were younger may be uncomfortable for you when you are older.

    The idea of right or wrong when it comes to Joyce is what she teaches. Is it biblical? We must remember King David. He loved the Lord so much, that he danced and tore his clothing off and worshiped God. Now I am not suggesting people tear their clothes off. I always wonder what the people thought about David doing this!!

    To me there is an edge of Joyce that is certainly feeling like NEW AGE. It is very easy to get caught up in the NEW AGE stuff. I go back to the fact that I heard her tell everyone in the audience about an argument that she and her husband had about something personal. I don’t even remember what it was, I just felt it was WRONG. If you are feeling “something is wrong here”, it is probably the Holy Spirit trying to get your attention.

    And again, I am a women who does not believe in a women preaching PERIOD. The women who followed Jesus did not teach, they ministered to the men who followed Christ. cooked and washed the clothing etc. They probably became friends of the women who traveled with Jesus. They probably prayed with other women. We women might not like to say it, but we must be obedient to what our purpose is in the church and in our families.

    I also get the feeling when I watched Joyce was that she KNEW IT ALL and was ALWAYS RIGHT…and was going to tell you like it is and you had better follow that standard. I can’t put it any other way. That is just what it felt like and sounded like to me.

    God Bless all of us as this discussion was a teaching moment no matter what we believe.

  • eddie santana

    You reminded me that between the LGBT people and feminists, gender is being attempted to be neutralized in this country. The only distinctions left in gender is giving birth, and separate restrooms.

  • eddie santana

    That’s great, except it’s backwards. The dead in
    Christ are the passed away believes, and the body of christ are those that remain. Am I missing something? lol

  • eddie santana

    Right on, ladies!

  • eddie santana

    Lee, all I know is the closest to what you’re talking about is in James 4:17 which says, “Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.”

  • Jonathan

    Typo Alert: It’s not “viola” it’s “voila” A viola is a musical instrument similar to a violin.

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  • Brie Reynolds

    I would just have to say your attempt to justify your claim with that scripture is absolutely ridiculous. In no conceivable way is that scripture even close to dealing with what you are talking about. It is clearly talking about buying things from God when Ms. Caine clearly did not try to buy anything but merely pray for something which IS scriptural! I would work on this sound doctrine of yours. It’s a little out there brother.

  • Brie, except you left out one important thing. She was praying that God would impart the demonic teachings of Joyce Meyer to herself. I don’t think that’s scriptural.

  • Tom

    This article is BS. It was Paul who states that he wanted to see Timothy so that he might impart some spiritual gift. That is in Romans 1:11. Impart at ions are part of the game. So, enough with the witch hunt. Is it really the end, or are so called Christians trading in love thy neighbor for pitchforks. Hmmmmm…. something to think about.

  • The writer seems to be critical. Satan is identified by Jesus as the accuser of brothers and sisters in Christ. It is biblical to talk to the one with whom you have a problem, privately. Ask questions in love and give correction. Then there are specific guidelines to follow thereafter which I will not go into here, but are outlined in scripture. We need to be careful. Mark 9:38-39 talks of someone ministering to people when they weren’t one of Jesus’ group. His words may help understand His criteria.The fruit of the Spirit will be in evidence if the work is in the Spirit. I always look for that beforehand, so as to be pure and blameless in His sight. Mercy triumphs over judgement. Be very careful

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  • Kayla

    God, the Father, wants all of HIS children.
    There are numerous preachers…name one that Had Yet to be accused of false teaching.
    Perception matters, study matters…I’m not years into my study, however, judging someone by the expensive home or w/e is judging them. If God blessed them in that area…that’s God’s business. Second, women can teach. Suggesting a man cannot hear from or learn from a woman…is preposterous….then tell your sons to only have male teachers in school. I Do see much JUDGING OF PERSONAL PERCEPTION BASED ON FACE VALUE SCRIPTURE. Have you studied the context? Have you followed up with studying the manner in which this book was written or for that matter the many books that are apart of the ones that MADE IT IN THE BIBLE? I am convinced that you MUST STUDY HOW IT WAS WRITTEN IT THE TIMES. ALSO THE OLD COVENANT AND THE NEW. I am cautioning throwing stones….Fallen angels are everywhere, but God is omnipresent. I understand that there are some things that may come out of one’s mouth that should be retracted….but surely we do not gossip or bash one behind there backs. We do not assume that they are PURPOSEFULLY TRYING TO CAUSE HARM, rather may not be aware or mispoke and should be personally enlightened. One of you travel to whom ever and speak, in person….that you are concerned for them and their message falsely hitting others. Telling me a woman cannot teach…that is silly. Presuming to know what is going on from afar…you should be concerned of your self. You should get your nose and your soul in it, then allow TIME for the HOLY SPIRIT to teach/talk to you. Can’t just assume everything is the devil guys…where is your proof that they have no fruits….valid without a doubt proof…I’m not saying they are or arent…I am not with joyce, near her, nor have I studied her. I always understood what she was humbly trying to convey.

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  • Ed Kovac

    Dude, u r so wrongly critical in this article. That passage in Acts is about accepting money for anointing, not about accepting money. i can point u to Proverbs that tells us not to share with our neighbors too, but it is about sharing our ‘streams in the streats’ and it refers to our sexuality, not general giving. Context dude. And the pride that anyone has to not welcome correction from any man, women and/or child is well, pride. And pride comes before a fall. I welcome sound Bible teaching from any man woman or child. And i’m a man. It is also so important to not have a critical spirit. And speaking of ‘little Gods’ regarding Joyce Meyers, even Yeshua (Jesus) was criticised for making Himself out to be God and He shut His accusers mouths when He pointed out that we really are! Its in Psalms. Yeshua’s accusers had enuf sence to shut up and stop accusing Him. i pray u learn how Yeshua shut up His accusers, that u learn to be smarter and walk with more wisdom than the Pharisees and Saducees. Yeshuas’ biggest attackers was not the unrighteous, but the critical religious leaders of the day. You are the modern counterpart to these hypocrites. I want to ‘look for dirt’ on a person to know a little more about them, and from what i find in this page, is that they (Christine Cain and Joyce Meyer) are being criticised like their King, Yeshua, was, for stupid, misunderstood and out-of-context things. If that’s the worst dirt u kan find on them, i stand amazed at what Christ is doing thru them! Truly women of God!

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  • Eddie Santana

    I think Joyce Meyer’s husband is a closet bi-sexual, if he like’s the masculinity of his wife.

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