Gay Pastor Says The Bible ‘Is Evolving’ And Must Change To Accommodate Our Lifestyle Choices

If you are a 'gay christian' and have no conviction that homosexuality is a sin, then you are likely unsaved and headed for a Devil's Hell. The Bible promises that God will save all that come to Him, even the vilest of sinners, through His Son Jesus Christ. That includes every member of the LGBT community. But when He saves you, one evidence of that will be that He has changed you. You can come as you are, but He will not leave you as He found you.
gay-pastor-debates-christian-pastor-over-authority-of-the-bible-lgbt-nteb

Our natural birth, our first birth, is not in the image of God. It is in the image of Adam and Eve after they fell.

“I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.” Psalm 138:2 (KJV)

How seriously does God take His own word? Well, for starters, He says in Psalm 138 that He has placed His word above that of even His own Name. In Matthew 4:4, He says that we are to live by ‘every word’ that proceeds out of His mouth. So what are the chances that the Bible is a book that is ‘evolving to suit our lifestyle choices”? Right around absolute zero I would say. Maybe less. Listen as a gay pastor attempts to make the case that God’s Holy word is fluid, evolving and adapts to whatever our lifestyle choices are.

One of the arguments of the gay ‘christian’ community is that God created all of us, gay and straight, in His image. But does the Bible say that all people are created in His image? No, it does not. The Bible says that Adam was created in His image, and Eve was created from that same image from Adam. Then sin entered the Garden and they fell and became cursed. 2 chapters later we read exactly whose image we have been created in.

“And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:” Genesis 5:3 (KJV)

You and I, when we were conceived, were created in the fallen image of sinful Adam, outside of the Garden of Eden. Our natural birth, our first birth, is not in the image of God. It is in the image of Adam and Eve after they fell. This is why Jesus says in the book of John that we must be ‘born again’ if we want to enter into Heaven. We need a new birth, a second birth, in order to be in the image of God.

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3 (KJV)

What is being born again? It is the action of the Holy Spirit when you by faith receive the payment for sin that Jesus made on Calvary as your payment for your sins. It is not a quickie 30 second prayer, it is not about your feelings, hopes, wishes or dreams. It is a legally binding transaction, based solely on the word of God, where you exchange your sins for Jesus righteousness. But if you do not come to Him as a sinner seeking payment for your sins, then you have not come to Him in a way that will save you.

When Jesus went to the cross, He went there for one reason and one reason only. To make a payment. For your sins. Sins like homosexuality, lust, greed, drunkenness, fornication, envy, strife, lying, cheating, stealing and the list goes on. He paid for every sin you ever committed or ever will commit. Jesus paid it all. But that’s not all. At the moment you come to Him by faith and He saves you by His shed blood, the Holy Spirit then SEALS YOU IN so you can never ‘lose it’.

“That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 12-14 (KJV)

Make no mistake, homosexuality is a sin. If you are a gay ‘christian’ who thinks that the same God who allowed His own Son to be killed for sin on the cross is going to bend His word to accommodate your lifestyle choices, you are fatally wrong and eternally mistaken. There is no such thing as a born again gay Christian or a gay pastor, it doesn’t exist. Because if you are LGBT and you actually get saved, the first thing the Holy Spirit will do is convict  you of your lifestyle choices, and empower you to fight against them.

“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” Romans 1:26,27 (KJV)

If you are a ‘gay christian’ and have no conviction that homosexuality is a sin, then you are likely unsaved and headed for a Devil’s Hell. The Bible promises that God will save all that come to Him, even the vilest of sinners, through His Son Jesus Christ. That includes every member of the LGBT community. But when He saves you, one evidence of that will be that He has changed  you. You can come as you are, but He will not leave you as He found you.

“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.” 2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV)

So how do we become the children of God? The Bible says that all those who have been born again into Jesus Christ are His children. You become God’s child by faith, by being born again, and not simply by being born into this world.

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.” Galatians 3:26 (KJV)

 

NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he has a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.
  • DC

    In Christ we are to “put on the new man.” Don’t look back—didn’t turn out so well for Lot’s wife…

    Ephesians 4:17-24King James Version (KJV)

    17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,

    18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

    19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

    20 But ye have not so learned Christ;

    21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

    22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

    23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

    24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

    Paul also says, “and such WERE some of you.”

    1 Cor.6:9-11 KJV

    9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

    10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

    • Larry/vietnamvet1971

      These SINS listed by Paul are forgivable Sins……..BUT we must Repent / Turn from these Sins….ask for forgiveness…..and be washed….Justified…Sanctified…through the Blood of Jesus.

      9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

      10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

      11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

      • dc

        Exactly! For that pastor to say that the bible is evolving makes me want to cry when thinking of the people who will be fooled to go down the path that leads to destruction. The bible changes US; we’re not to change the bible.

    • williaml

      Did anyone get the memo?

      (Mal 3:6 KJV) For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

      May That is Above his pay grade!

    • michael57MN

      Regarding the following question and answer in the article: “What is being born again? It is the action of the Holy Spirit when you by faith receive the payment for sin that Jesus made on Calvary as your payment for your sins. ”

      No, that is not true. Being “born-again” is a sovereign work of God upon an individual. Jesus said, “You must be born again” to Nicodemus, a Pharisee. Jesus went on to say, “Except or unless you have been born again, you cannot see the kingdom of God.” Note, you cannot enter, you cannot desire that which you cannot see, that you cannot perceive. Just as God revealed by the Apostle Paul in Corinthians, “The natural man [the one who has not been born-again of the Holy Spirit] does not receive the things of God [of course he doesn’t, he’s still dead in his sins and trespasses] neither can he understand them [and y’all say the natural man can receive and understand them to desire them? Hardly] for they are spiritually discerned.” Get that, the things of God are spiritually discerned but the natural man, still dead in his sins and trespasses is not able to discern those things of God.

      No, being “born-again” is a sovereign act of God in regenerating that which is dead, it is making us alive in Christ so that we may now see the kingdom, desire and comprehend the things of God by the Spirit of God that is now within us. The order, just as in life, is born first, then learn and grow.

      • klaus

        Very well said.

    • Ron

      Amen DC!

  • Maria

    WHAT AN INCREDIBLE PIECE THAT YOU WROTE TODAY. I loved it very much. It was beautifully written. Amen to all that you said. I have printed this piece to add to my devotionals. Thank you very much for sharing with us.

    • GRACE

      Amen Maria, what a wonderful laid out article, blessed my heart, thanks so much Brother Grider! 🙂

  • Great article, and hopefully a great, fruitful discussion.

    First of all, as has been stated already, Homosexuality is a Sin, a Lifestyle choice. The good news forpeople who live in this peversion, they can be delivered from Satan’s bondage, if they choose to Repent, and start serving The Lord.

    This is nothing more then indwelling of unclean spirits, within a person from whenever they started to live this way.

    The Holy Ghost within someone blocks this perversion from getting a grip on someone. Also, other Abominable deeds.

    Only Conversion in True Repentance can change these people, and deliver them.

    True Story: I was a Missionary for 3 years in The Philippines, assigned to one of the largest Born Again Church in the Philippines. The Catholic Church is #1 in followers, then a False Prophet Church “Ingles Na Christo” ( Church of Christ) Then we were ranked #3 in followers.

    In this Church were 25…25 FORMER Lesbians, Gay, Transvestites, all who were converted, and now married with children..Who knew?! I had a lot of time to speak with all of them, whom I considered as Brothers and Sisters.

    They showed me Photos of themselves before God got ahold of them, and changed them..this was over 20 years ago…It blew me away. This is why we must as Christians, pray for these people, that God calls them out, and they listen, like we all once did.

    As long as they live, they have until they draw their last breath, to Repent and be in heaven, let none of us forget that ever. It is only by The Lord’s mercy and grace, we know and understand what wallowing in the filth and mud of our former lives was for us. You are truly blessed if you have compassion on the Lost and unsaved.

    • DC

      What a neat experience, Bro Rick! Thanks for sharing that. People don’t have to be trapped in homosexuality if they really want to overcome it. There are several websites and programs out there to help! Bless you.

    • Sola scriptura

      Awesome bro Rick…and if we aren’t willing to confront their sin, then we don’t truly love them:
      http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/09/18/confronting-sin/

    • Ron

      Wow Rick that is really awesome! I love everybody and would witness to them in a heartbeat. Many are in that lifestyle because Satan constantly feeds them lies, and only with The Power of Jesus and showing them that we do love them can Jesus break those chains of bondage and set them free. I hate the perverted sex, there are very powerful demons behind this lifestyle and that is what is causing all the problems. To me the worst thing is those who pervert The Gospel such that the only end result is going to Hell by deception. There are already enough people going to Hell by normal means they need the Truth not lies. Just so you know Bro Rick that comment is not made in reference to you about the Gospel, it is someone’s name I won’t mention. I do apologize for anything I did that may have offended you Bro Rick and I do know The Spirit Bears witness that you are Saved, Born again, Washed in The Blood of The Lamb Christian and I consider you my friend, Elder, and a Brother in Christ. God Bless You Bro Rick!

    • Ron

      I also hope you accept my apology Bro Rick.

    • Terri

      This is going to be a strange question and doubt if you met him, but here goes. A couple who I consider to be my surrogate parents went to the Philippines twice a year for well over twenty years. (I grew up in Oregon) They supported Missionaries based in the Philippines and made a lot of friends just wondered. I lost contact with them and they were the kind of people that are so much larger than life you NEVER think they ever die. The names are Pat and Eileen Patterson. Pat’s real name was Ford M. (Millhouse) Patterson. I know it is a long shot but one of the reasons I lost contact is I was living with my son’s father and I knew they disapproved, just did not ant to see the disappointment in his eyes and now they are both gone. To those of you out there doing something you know in God’s eyes is wrong there will come a point in time when you look back at everything that has happened to you and realize the majority of things would not have happened if you had obeyed God. My epiphany came after my son died,. I know I will see him again but a lot of things would not have happened to him if his mom had just done what was right in God’s eyes.. If Rich had not been a Christian when he died the guilt would be eating me alive. Thank goodness I still have God is with me and never leave me no matter hoe asinine my choices have been. Sorry for writing a book. (I grew up in Oregon) and so grateful to Pat and Eileen they truly were people of God and I believe my faith is so strong because of their faith and commitment and the absolute love for God. Eileen grew up a Mormon (her parents were high up). When she became a Christian they sent some Mormon elders to bring her back to the fold. They talked over 8 hours and she rebutted every argument by using the Bible. They finally left and never came back. LOL That is why so important we all know the Bible that we so we can also defend Christianity.

      • Thank you, Terri, for that word of testimony and encouragement! Hopefully, we all learn from our past mistakes; we all make them! One just never knows this side of Heaven, how much of an impact they are making upon another’s life. The same applies here to your testimony; somebody out there really needed to hear that message! We can never go so far that God cannot reach us! Keep up the great work! God bless you!

  • FrancesEve Drake

    What has been written in this article is the WORD of GOD. IT CANNOT BE CHANGED. IT CANNOT BE ALTERED. GOD IS IN CONTROL. HE IS THE CREATOR. WHOEVER WANTS TO DO ANYTHING THAT DISPLEASES HIM DOES SO AT THE PERISH OF HELL WHICh IS ALSO REAL.

    Thank you Geoffrey Grider for you faithful expository of the WOG. Might not agree with you 100% on all doctrine but I’m with you.

  • FrancesEve Drake

    agreed FrancesEve

  • DC

    I was cheering for Pastor Jeffess. He did an amazing job, shooting down the same, tired, apples to oranges arguments we get from the Left. That the homosexual “pastor” would favor his proclivities over supporting a Christian business is beyond the pale. He wants them to go out of business for standing on the Word of God that he is supposed to Preach NOT change. I wish Pastor Jeffress would have asked if a Muslim baker should be held to the same standard, as homosexuality in Islam is punishable by death in some places. (of course the hypocritical businesses which are boycotting NC are fine with doing business in the ME. Money trumps everything.)

  • John C

    Excellent article!

  • Dan Quixoté

    “God will save all that come to Him, even the vilest of sinners, through His Son Jesus Christ… But when He saves you, one evidence of that will be that He has changed you. You can come as you are, but He will not leave you as He found you.”

    Well put, J. G.! Someone’s been reading their Pauline and Johanine epistles!

    So grateful this transformation is part of the process – otherwise I stood ZERO chance…

    • klaus

      reminds me of an old saying

      No jesus No change
      Know Jesus Know Change

  • What amazes me is Christians are throwing convictions out the window and supporting candidates who have supported murdering the unborn babies. Christians are supporting people who have:
    ~ Engaged in adultery
    ~ Engaged in bribery
    ~ Financed candidates who reject God
    ~ Supported murdering babies
    ~ Ignorance on Israel
    ~ Engage in name calling and smearing people
    ~ Display pride and arrogancy

    And Americans and even shamefully I say, Christians. Don’t these “Christians ” read God’s word?

    Proverbs 14:34 KJV “Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.”

    • Glenna Newman

      I am not voting for a pastor for this country. I am voting for someone that can try to turn us around from this spiral we are in. It would be great if our candidates were God-fearing Christians, but NONE of them are. They all have their problems. We need a strong leader that will at the least protect our Christian rights. God can change their hearts and use them for His Glory…. just look what he did with Saul. I trust God more than I do ANY of the candidates that are running.

      • dc

        Glenna, you put in a nutshell what many here have been saying all along. Unfortunately, when a new person comes along with a viewpoint we’ve covered ad nauseum (and completely off-topic besides), we have to defend ourselves all over again. If we don’t elect a strong leader who will defend us from terrorists, support Israel, and stop illegal immigration/vet legal immigration, we won’t have a country to worry about how holy the CIC is. Good post.

      • Sola Scriptura

        No president can change this country. They are ALL on the same team, simply playing different roles. What was prophesied in Revelation will happen…so ignore politics and share the saving gospel of Jesus Christ with everyone you meet.

    • You know what they call it when people make comments on a story that have nothing to do with the story they are commenting on? Trolling. Don’t be that guy.

  • DC
  • Ole Ingvar

    Oh yeah. What will be next? Adultery isn’t sin, drug addiction isn’t sin…Lord, take us away from here, let the dead bury their dead

    • tiptopsaidhe

      The church already says adultery isn’t sin…they call it remarriage after divorce while a covenant spouse is still living.

      Jesus didn’t call it remarriage. He called it adultery. Paul called it adultery. John the Baptist told Herodias that God didn’t even recognize her remarriage to Antipas…that she was Philip’s wife.

      Malachi 2 says God no longer hears the prayers of those who divorce their spouses.

      Mal 2:13 And this have ye done again, covering the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping, and with crying out, insomuch that he regardeth not the offering any more, or receiveth it with good will at your hand.

      Yet, church will tell them that they don’t have to repent of the adulterous relationship, that everything will be ok.

      Here’s what God says about that:

      Mal 2:17 Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?

      Those adulterous relationships must be abandoned to be repented of.

      • Skywatcher

        tiptopsaidhe, it is so refreshing to finally see someone get it right! Great post!

      • terrihorn

        God forgives does not sound like adulterers can be saved. Non of are perfect even our kids or tries to kill the after becoming Christians and some divorces were acceptable will have to find the reference. For instance, if you are brutally beaten. your spouse tries to kill you. you spouse beats your kids or tries to kill the kids. I do not believe people are meant to remain in those marriages and will try to find and post the reference

        • Ole Ingvar

          Terri, we talking about Christian families, not even “so-called” Christian families. Stuff you’ve described – it’s about secular families of those,where nominal Christians are.
          According to Scriptures divorce allowed only because of adultery. Otherwise spouses should live separately in single way.

        • tiptopsaidhe

          Nobody said divorce isn’t allowed. God is divorced. He divorced Israel for her adultery with Ba’al in Jer 3 v8. Yet, in v14, He says “return to me, for I am still married to you.” So, God believes He is still married, even after divorcing her. That’s the only reference you’ll ever need as to how God sees marriage. And, you won’t find even one verse that allows remarriage outside of the betrothal exclusion for a report of prostitution. If you’re a first century Jew whose betrothed wife committed an act of prostitution prior to marriage, then you are allowed to remarry. If you not a first century Jew in a betrothal situation, there are no options to remarry while a first spouse still lives.

          Divorce can be justified for abuse, adultery, etc. There are no provisions in the bible for remarriage…none. Jesus (Jesus is God) calls remarriage adultery, if a covenant spouse is still living. One can remain out of relationship, or can reconcile.

          1 Cor 6:9 does, indeed, say that none who live in adultery will inherit the kingdom.

          Is it forgivable? Sure. All one has to do is repent of the adultery, remove themselves from the unlawful relationship, and ask for forgiveness for violation of their covenant marriage.

          • Sad but resolute

            Per Jesus in Matthew 19:9, the cheated-on spouse can divorce and remarry in good faith. The divorced adulterer is the one not eligible for remarriage in good faith, with what may be the eternal consequences you mention per the verses you cite.

            “Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.”

            My spouse has cheated on me with men, women, and even a couple. She’s being faithful at the moment, through a version of repentance from a spiritual experience, although I’m denied the affections she gave her beaus. I’ve been faithful and devoted for all our 20+ year marriage. I could divorce her and find a worthier Christian woman, to remarry in good faith. But per the example given by the prophet Hosea’s life, and per the mercy we’re to extend, I choose out of sacrificial love do what I can to woo her to me, to the Lord and His church body, and to her children. I don’t want to *put* her in a position to be ineligible for a good-faith marriage, even though it is my “right” to do so. If she, an adulteress, follows through on her prior plans to divorce me, who has been faithful, then I have the option to live in celibacy which leaves the door open for reconciliation, or the option to re-marry to a worthy Christian woman. Paul says a number of things on these matters, such as ‘If your pagan spouse is willing to live with you, that’s a good thing worth sustaining’. Ideally she’ll remain in her present repentance from adultery, reconcile with the Lord unto salvation, and finish this life in good stead alongside me before the Lord.

            I’m still praying for the miraculous change of heart in her and in one of my wayward children so I can show up at the Wedding Supper and say, “I didn’t lose any of the ones you gave me.”

          • Emery

            GOD said divorce isn’t allowed, except in the case of an adulterous spouse. God didn’t divorce Israel, He terminated His contract with them, AFTER they violated the terms of the contract/covenant with God HUNDREDS of times. Eventually, God had enough. A contract IS NOT A MARRIAGE. If it were, every contract to purchase a home, or a car, would mean the salesmen would be committing adultery THOUSANDS of times. His usage of the term “marriage” is not literal with regards Israel, it’s METAPHORICAL. It’s a figure of speech. Yes, GOD HATES DIVORCE. Divorce CANNOT be justified for abuse, or etc. ONLY in the case of sexual immorality. If one commits adultery or fornication or sexual immorality, that one, remaining unrepentant, will be destroyed.

  • And therein lies the problem Glenna. You are looking for a “man” to “turn this country around “.
    God says in Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts nations. And by me kings rule saith the Lord, Proverbs 8:15.

  • Pingback: Gay Pastor Says The Bible ‘Is Evolving’ And Must Change To Accommodate Our Lifestyle Choices – Conspiracy Realism()

  • Pingback: GAY PASTOR SAYS THE BIBLE ‘IS EVOLVING’ AND MUST CHANGE TO ACCOMMODATE OUR LIFESTYLE CHOICES | RevolutionRadio.org()

  • MG

    IT’S GOING TO GET A LOT WORSE THAN THIS! GET READY! THESE REPROBATES HAVE NO CONSCIENCE, AND UNFORTUNATELY ARE INFLUENTIAL TO CERTAIN “POWERS THAT BE” SO, EXPECT THEM TO FLOURISH FOR A SHORT PERIOD, LEADING UP TO THE RETURN OF JESUS. JUST STAY FAITHFUL TO JESUS AND THAT KJV BIBLE…REFUSE ALL OTHER VERSIONS, IT’S ALREADY PROVEN THAT THE KJV IS THE REAL WORD OF GOD IN ENGLISH.

  • MG

    OH AND THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A QUEER CHRISTIAN. THE WORD SAYS THAT IF YOU HAVE NOT THE SPIRIT OF GOD YOU ARE NONE OF HIS…GOD’S SPIRIT WOULD NEVER CONDONE OR ENCOURAGE SUCH SIN. THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN BY GOD, GIVEN OVER TO THIS LIFE STYLE….READ ALL OF ROMANS CHAPTER 1 IN THE KJV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • dc

      Good posts, MG!

      Even elementary kids know we have a 7 systems: respiratory, skeletal, circulatory, nervous, immune, reproductive, and digestive/waste. They aren’t interchangeable or we’d be breathing water instead of drinking it. Then to top it off and say–to teach!–that the bible approves of such “crossovers” is dangerous to the body and the soul.

    • Skywatcher

      Great posts, MG, except for the fact, they are not truly given over until they draw their last breath. They can repent and be born again, as was shown in LarryVietnam’s post:

      “These SINS listed by Paul are forgivable Sins……..BUT we must Repent / Turn from these Sins….ask for forgiveness…..and be washed….Justified…Sanctified…through the Blood of Jesus.

      9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

      10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

      11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.” I Cor. 6: 9, 10, 11.

      They key operative word here is “were”. Apparently, some of these Christians had been redeemed from that lifestyle. Evidence of such a redemption is a changed life; a different brand of fruit.

  • Kim

    Outstanding! what a loving & accurate response. This article blessed me. You could have come down heavy on the precise sin but went for the jugular with the beauty of the gospel. Well done Geoffrey

  • Cynthiahaley

    Amen brother !!!!!! His grip of grace is for all. Who call upon his name!!!

  • dc

    Todd Starnes article on SDA pastor who was fired from day-job for preaching against homosexuality and evolution:

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/04/20/fired-for-preaching-georgia-dumps-doctor-over-church-sermons.html?intcmp=hpbt4

    “Dr. Eric Walsh, a renowned public health expert who also serves as a lay minister, has filed a federal lawsuit against the Georgia Department of Public Health alleging he was terminated for delivering sermons on issues ranging from homosexuality to evolution.”

  • J King

    Do not watch or listen to Anti-Christ Preachers. Jesus calls them ,Wolves in Sheep’s clothing.

  • J King

    Do not watch or listen to anti-Christ Preachers. WOLVES in Sheep’s Clothing.

  • J King

    You cannot Add or Take away or modify the Word of God to accommodate YOUR SIN !!

    REVELATION 22: 18 For I testify to every man that that hears the words of the prophecy of THIS Book, If any man shall Add to these things, God shall ADD to him the plagues that are written in this Book.

    19, And if any man shall TAKE Away from the words of THE Book of the prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the Holy City, and FROM the things, which are written in this Book.

  • carson

    ..the bible must change to accommodate man…
    man is god, little gods..
    (wasn’t there some hollywood actress that made that famous by the way, anyway..)
    and that’s about what we have here and in the world today, man rules, THE God Almighty must change to accommodate man because man is just so awesome and rules all things….
    (rev 20 and all the folks amassing with the devil that one last time shows the depth of the grip of how the flesh and devil can convince man that he somehow rules and has power to even defeat God Almighty too)

    that’s another factor in coming to Christ, you don’t come to Him while still holding onto your self godhood, self lordship, self rule, me me me’ness or you’ll end up a ‘cultural christian/a religionist’, you come all the way surrender as Jesus Christ is Lord, being born again is not remaining self lordship and the flesh is to be mortified and the flesh nature wishes to rule and reign not be put to death huh…
    It’s one of the reasons I never came to Christ til in my 20’s, I knew deep down that it meant no more me rule but Christ rule and reign within me and over me and prides and more made me run away, but God breaks the prides and hearts til we come to the end of our rule and realize the only life comes in Christ and til then we are only dead in sins not even alive and are by nature children of wrath…but hey that’s why Christ came and was sent, to save that which is lost and He knows what is in man and has no need that any should teach Him of man but still He came and was sent anyway, imagine that!, what great love.

  • RobiMac

    The King James has ‘evolved’ alright. Thanks to some idiot named Flemming who claims to be a prophet for the gay community.
    He wrote another book and it has been published in the King James. So, anyone needing a new Bible or purchasing one for someone else needs to be very mindful of the ones with the 67th book. If it is in plastic, unwrap before your purchase or you might fly thru the roof!

  • faith grace

    sonlifetv.com

  • Salt + Light

    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.” (Jn. 1:1)

    “And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” (Jn. 1:14)

    Jesus Christ is the Word of God. And…

    “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and forever.”

  • Skywatcher

    Brother Geoffrey, it was an overall very good and enlightening article! Well done. However, I see you’ve added a bit that requires a little tweaking,

    “At the moment you come to Him by faith and He saves you by His shed blood, the Holy Spirit then SEALS YOU IN so you can never ‘lose it’.”

    The passages used to promote this rot of once saved, always saved are wonderful passages and very reassuring to an obedient Christian! However…let’s look a little closer at Rom. 8: 35, 38, 39…a Calvinist’s primary passage of defense of this false doctrine! Look at them VERY CAREFULLY!

    I find it particularly amusing that most of the attention is given to the external things, but not to the person who made the internal decision. Allow me to explain…

    It is very true that NO THING can separate me from the love of Christ; but I can! No thing made the decision for me to choose Christ, and therefore, no thing can separate me from Him!

    My decision to receive Christ in the first place was an INTERNAL decision, which was based upon external factors (God’s Word, counsel, personal testimonies, and my prayer of faith). I had to internalize God’s Word and put my faith into operation. Notice: In these verses, these are all external factors! Therefore, external factors CANNOT take away my salvation, any more than they could grant it to me! Nothing is said about the individual’s INTERNAL free choice to toss God out of their life! Only I can choose to do that! This is where that famous verse comes into play,

    “…he that endureth to the end shall be saved.” Mt. 10: 22

    Yes, I realize this is talking about persecution and betrayal, but the Biblical principle still holds fast, those who run the race to the end win the prize! “Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.” I Cor. 9: 24

    One cannot receive the prize (eternal life), if they do not remain in the race! This is not works-based salvation either! Christ paid the entrance fee; we have to run the race to collect what was promised to us!

    Even though I genuinely said the sinner’s prayer, and lived a faithful and committed life to Christ for some time, that is no guarantee on salvation! When I decided I wanted to turn my back on God and slide into a slippery sinner’s lifestyle, I knew I was headed for trouble. There are numerous stories of people who served the Lord faithfully for years, and then for some reason, they became disenfranchised with Him and walked away. Can one walk away from home and still be there? Can one turn their back on Christ in the long term and still be in Christ? The moment I can no longer hear the Holy Spirit correcting or wooing me back home, I’m gone! I am NOT saved! I’ve been “given over”. This doesn’t just apply to homosexuality!

    Romans 1: 28-32 is definite proof that OSAS is a prevarication! “God gave them over”! Why? They CHOSE to lock Him out of their life, and because He is a perfect gentleman, He will not stay where He is not welcome! Some of these people, may have been truly born again children of God at some point, who got sidetracked, blinded, discouraged, or were willingly led astray. They may have been abused by church-goers or sick and tired of the self-righteousness, judgmental, and condemning attitudes of saints in the Church. They left their church and got caught up in a cult.

    Many are born again and CANNOT find a strong Bible-believing/practicing church to call their own; there is no fellowship there for them, and they grow weak and weary, finally just walking away from Him. They were serious in their commitment to Him, but the seed fell upon thorny soil, as they had nobody to mentor them along. They got choked out by the cares and trials of this world. The Church abandoned them…

    Look at Rev. 3: 15, 16 and see what Christ had to say to the Laodicean saints. They were in the Body of Christ at one time, but were still judged and vomited out!

    You know the words of Christ just as well as I do… “Ye cannot serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other: or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.”

    Let’s look at this another way…If I choose to turn my back on Christ today, spit in His face, and drive the spear into deeper into His side again, via my actions and attitude, would it be fair or just for Him to insist that I go to Heaven for all eternity where I would have to view the One I despised so much? Of course not, and Christ could NOT do that, because it would go directly against His Word… “If any man will come after me, let him DENY HIMSELF, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.” Mt. 16: 24, 25.

    Would it be fair to take an UNREPENTANT deviant or murderer (even though he had served Christ for years prior to the crime) and send him to Heaven while a seriously committed righteous saint who has sacrificed so much for Christ looks on at the treatment of this devil, who receives the same reward? What would be the point in committing and consecrating one’s life to Christ, if one can live like the devil and still go to Heaven?

    Oh yes, we are sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption…until we walk out from under the protective and cleansing covering of the blood of Christ! Ah…the blood! The Calvinists forgot the blood!
    In Exodus 12: 13, the eldest Israeli child was protected from the passing over by the death angel ONLY while they were in and under the protection of the BLOOD of the spotless lamb, which was a type of Christ! If any of them were foolish enough to venture outside of the protective covering, they would be smitten dead. What’ so different between this act and that of stepping out from under the protection of Christ’s spiritual blood to serve oneself, the devil and the world? There is NO difference! One knows well in advance what the price of such stupidity will be!

    You see, these are conditions that the Calvinists didn’t bother to consider! It is our personal decision to leave Him outside our heart’s door, as we walk away from Him, just as it was to receive Christ and to serve Him. What has changed? Is that person really saved at that point?

    A Calvinist will futilely argue, “That person wasn’t really saved in the first place!” Right! (sarcasm)
    Jesus said, “A tree is known by its fruit: Mt. 7: 15-23. Carefully look at v. 24 and then read it backwards…he that doeth them not…what happens to that person? Jesus said many times, “If ye love me, keep my commandments.” Failure to do so, speaks volumes and they will be rewarded accordingly.

    Mark 8: 38 addresses this issue quite nicely, “Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”

    We KNOW this is not talking about reprobates, because there is NEVER A TIME when Christ will be proud of sinners! This is talking about Christians who have put their hand to the plow and have looked back! Jesus couldn’t be any plainer,

    “No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.” Luke. 9: 62

    OSAS is not only a lie, but it is giving people false assurance that all is well! Satan loves that life insurance policy! He never loses a claim! A person would be very wise to err on the side of caution and be blessed, rather than to play Russian Roulette, and to be shot to death eternally!

  • vee

    Christ permitted divorce in the case of adultery, emotional abuse, so it can be physical abuse since your spouse may bring a disease to you from his/her other partners. No person should stay in a marriage like that – God did not intend that.

  • vee

    SKYWATCHER – VERY WELL STATED. I BELIEVE WHAT YOU WROTE 100% YOU ARE TRUE CHRISTIAN.

    • Skywatcher

      Thank you, vee; it’s God’s undeniable Word!

  • vee

    SKYWA I BELIEVE WHAT YOU WROTE 100% YOU ARE TRUE CHRISTIAN.

  • Bobbi

    God warned us that these days were coming. Satan is getting his stronghold, and the momentum of changing good to evil and vise versa is absolutely astounding. I pray for all my fellow Christians, that we may hold strong as the time of our test/ tribulation comes. It won’t be long until the scum who are in prison now are released and we Christians are the ones in the prisons. (not saying everyone in prison is scum, there are plenty of innocent people, and ones who did petty things like smoke pot, but the pedophiles, rapists, and even murderers will be getting released as sin gets a stronger hold on the world)

    • Skywatcher

      A HUGE AMEN, Bobbi!

      In Canada, where I live, they are now talking about whether or not to overturn certain drug convictions! That will just be the beginning. After that, it will be the pedophiles, etc., as more and more of these seedy types get into public office and in the judiciary.

      This in just today: ”

      Last week the unelected, unaccountable Supreme Court of Canada announced that it would be reversing another policy that was voted for by Parliament when the Conservatives were in office.

      This time, the Supremes thought they’d reverse the one year mandatory minimum sentence for repeat drug traffickers. Imagine judges so liberal, that a one-year term for repeat drug dealers was considered “unconstitutional”. Look, we aren’t talking about people caught possessing small amounts of drugs. We’re talking about people caught and convicted of repeat drug trafficking, of being a pusher, of feeding addicts and hooking Canadian children.”

      But in a 6-3 decision these unelected judges ruled that the mandatory minimum was too much, that is was contrary to the constitution because it was a “cruel and unusual punishment.” Brian Lilley, TheRebel.media

      I too, pray that God will give all my Christian brothers and sisters the strength and fortitude that they will need if such a time comes before Jesus does!

      Thank you, for your prayers too! You’re in mine everyday, as I pray for all my online siblings in Christ, and those still on their way! God bless you, with an added measure of peace, joy, and strength!

  • Janice

    You are mistaken in your doctrine, Geoffrey. The Bible DOES say that all men ARE created it the image of God. Read your Bible! In Genesis 1:27 “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female CREATED HE THEM(plural–that includes EVE!)”. Eve may have come into being by a different process than Adam, but the Scripture never says she was made in Adam’s image–she was not! She was created in the image of God just as her husband was. Then in Gen 9:6, God told Noah that murder was forbidden because MEN ARE MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD. “Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the IMAGE OF GOD MADE HE MAN.” Then in the New Testament we have James’ commentary in 3:9 when speaking about the tongue “Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, WHICH ARE MADE AFTER THE SIMILITUDE OF GOD.” So please don’t try and tell us the Scripture never teaches men–even fallen men–are not made after the image of God. They most certainly are! That is what gives them inherent dignity and why Christ came to redeem them. Absolutely it is true that “we must be born again” because without the new birth we can’t even see the kingdom (as Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3), but it doesn’t nullify the fact that men indeed are most certainly created in the image of God and made a little lower than the angels,and made to have dominion Hebrews 2:6-8, Psalm 8:4-6

    • Ole Ingvar

      Janice, according to chronology – we’re image not even Adam, but Noah and his kids. As Geoffrey wrote – we’ve lost image of God.

  • twr

    Christianity has been devolving for years and accepting and accommodating the doctrine of devils. Christianity is very much a part of the end-time beast. False religion is the destroyer. People are so worried about their flesh, they can’t see the truth. It has always been about keeping the commandments. It has never been about belief in anything other than keeping the commandments. There is no law of Moses. Who was Moses to formulate a law? The commandments are the word of God. The Messiah is the living word. That is why he said believe in me.

    John 5:46-47King James Version (KJV)
    46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
    47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

    There was only one law abolished on the cross. It wasn’t the ten commandments or the 613 original commandments.

    Romans 8:2 (KJV)
    For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the LAW of SIN and DEATH.

    The law of sin and death originated in the garden. It totally has nothing to do with the Torah (instruction). All religion represents a falling away from the true faith, which is keeping the commandments.

  • Paul

    The guy is a false teacher as is islam false religion. The word of God is the same then, now and forever. The bible doesnt change to fit a persons want to sin and think its ok to teach that is garbage. And also to think once saved always saved is dumb. He warns us about having our name taken out of the book of life.. and there is stern punishment for those teaching galse salvation and doctrine. We must come to Chriat daily for our sins.. and we must str8vr to. Be like Him and not be a sinner proclaiming thia garbage on tv no wonder the world is messed up.

  • Kaddi Anderson

    God’s WORD tells us in the bible that our heavenly Father is the same today as he was yesterdan and he NEVER changes. He also warns about the end times and how there will be FALSE PROPHETS within the church teaching what their yearning ears itch to hear and will fall away from the truth. The majority of bible prophecies have come true and the ones about the ‘end times’ are showing truth too!

    2 Tim 4:3 KJV…For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

    When Jesus Christ’s disciples asked Him what would herald His coming to rule all nations, He answered by first relaying a series of developments that would lead up to the grand climax of the present age: religious deception, wars, famines, pestilences and earthquakes (Matthew 24:3-8; Mark 13:3-8; Luke 21:7-11).

    Just what is the nature of this deception? Notice Jesus’ specific warning: “Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many” (Matthew 24:4-5, King James Version). Also Matthew 24:24

    It is these people—false preachers and teachers claiming to be Christian—who would proliferate and deceive ever more people as the end of the age neared.

    The apostle Paul later affirmed, in a Christian context, that “evil men and imposters will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived” (2 Timothy 3:13). So not only do they deceive others. These false teachers themselves are deceived.

    (Presenting itself as Christ-like) but speaking “like a dragon” (Revelation 13:11). The “dragon” in Revelation is Satan the devil, who deceives the whole world (Revelation 12:9). So what we’re seeing here is an extremely powerful “wolf in sheep’s clothing.”
    What Paul and this section of Revelation are describing is a great counterfeit of the true religion—a world-dominating false Christianity led by Satan and his ministers, who appear as ministers of righteousness (see 2 Corinthians 11:13-15).

    He then gives us an example of something to look for in our evaluation: “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord’ [merely acknowledging Him as Lord], shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven” (Matthew 7:21). Then notice: “Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied [preached or taught] in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’” (Matthew 7:22).

    • TWR

      Kaddi Anderson

      Jesus was not talking about the current age in Matthew 24. The ages are astrologically aligned. Taurus was destroyed by flood. Aries was the age Jesus was referring to. We are in Pisces.

      Mark 9:1King James Version (KJV)
      9 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

      The gospels are not the prophetic word. There was no new prophesy introduced in the gospels. Jesus expounded on the prophesies of Daniel and other prophets. Christians are looking for a physical kingdom. We can speculate that the events Jesus described did not happen according to our understanding. If you believe in the word and Jesus, when he told his disciples all these things will be fulfilled in their generation, he meant their generation. This is the deception of Christianity. Jesus wasn’t talking to us thru his disciples. Don’t you think they, as the only ones privy to the conversation had the right to expect those thing to be fulfilled in their lifetime? If they didn’t come true in that age then Jesus becomes a false prophet. People are so desperate for salvation they ignore the basic fundamentals of communication. 1,500 years later they come up with stupid doctrine about a 70th week being moved to the future. It doesn’t even make sense. Jesus mentions the disgusting thing of Daniel. When he says all things will be fulfilled, that included Daniel’s prophecy. There was no one on the mount of olives but the disciples. How are people so delusional to believe Jesus was talking to anyone else?

  • DC

    Different gay “pastor” who owed $28,000 in student loans, went to a bakery for “Love Wins” cake (bakery happens to be LGBT friendly–oops!), adds offensive word later, posts online, and sues. Video footage shows upc code on TOP of box and is on the SIDE in video. Also, clear window on box made it impossible not to see a gay slur if it were originally there. Now bakery suing him. What goes around….

    http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/pastor-who-faked-whole-foods-hate-crime-sued-over-student-loans/?cat_orig=faith

    • Ron

      It seems to me they would do anything to slam a Christian and lying doesn’t set well with The Lord.

      They definitely fit the first 2 hated abominations of The Lord, a Proud Look, a Lying Tongue who knows how many of the other 5.

  • DC

    “Paul Kengor, author of “Takedown: From Communists to Progressives, How the Left Has Sabotaged Family and Marriage,” accused “SNL” of selective mockery.

    “SNL, and secular liberals/progressives generally, would never target, say, a Muslim clerk giving out marriage licenses in Dearborn, Michigan, or a Muslim baker or florist or photographer anywhere in the country,” he said.

    “There is a limit to their courage and confrontation. It’s the turn-the-other-cheek Christians that the secular left wants to merrily take down. That’s the target they relish. They want Christian heads on their platter. Their ‘tolerance’ does not extend to Christians who disagree with their new conceptions for redefining marriage, family, gender, sexuality and human nature.

    “It’s tolerance for me but not for thee. Diversity for me but not for thee.”

    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/pat-boone-doubles-down-on-snl-sacrilege/#mpZeLueRGHeRZBfu.99

    • Ron

      Isn’t so DC and if they don’t repent God Will Judge them in such a harsh manner for such blatant hypocrisy.

      Right now those who make these things happen are laughing and saying “stupid Christians we’ll get all of them, ha ha!”

      And because no fire falls from Heaven for their deeds against us they conclude “There is no God”

      When events happen that go beyond explanation and because we have already gone in The Rapture that is when they will say at some point

      Revelation 6:15-17 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

      When I used to read this it never made sense to me. The rich have underground or in mountain bunkers. The bondmen didn’t make sense either, but then again it did, No rich man is going to lift his finger to do any work they’ll need bondmen in those bunkers. Even if you look at the progression of the types of people listed it makes sense.

      • Skywatcher`

        Amen, Brother Ron! It will then be their turn to run, and there will be no place to hide! You’re seeing the full picture! 🙂

  • John Q. Public

    Okay..
    This is nothing but an attack from within by ” Gay, Anti Christian Christians” Is really just in essence, the same motives as the Islamic Hijrah ( assuming control by way of forcing a number of followers into a designated group/territory for the means of forcing them out /outnumbering them to them assume control of a governing body/Territory/Country).
    I will make this prediction right here and now..
    Withing 5 years ( 10 years tops) these very self same set of ” Christian leaders” who are pushing for allowing ALTERNATE LIFESTYLE CHOICES into the Churches will declare the 10 commandment are no longer valid and therefore should be stuck from all Christian doctrine. It’s already being tested by The Bishop of Stockholm ( an openly declared lesbian) has proposed a church in her diocese remove all signs of the cross and put down markings showing the direction to Mecca for the benefit of Muslim worshipers.
    The Jihad against Christians has been going on for centuries.. Only NOW,, the very leaders of the Christian faith are turning against the TRUE WORD OF GOD and allowing travesties like this to occur in the hopes that with enough frequency,, it will become common place and be considered ” acceptable”
    The only thing the Christian and Catholic churches have not yet had to deal with as far as perversions is the pedophiles demanding 5 year old’s to get married to adults, and men and women to start marring and having sex with animals ( with BOTH groups expecting to have the blessing of the church)

    Reference link here: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/05/worlds-first-lesbian-bishop-calls-church-remove-crosses-install-muslim-prayer-space/

  • SS

    I love listening to Dr. Jeffers. He’s an awesome pastor.

  • Emery

    The concept of a “gay pastor” in itself is aln abomination to God the Almighty. The concept of a pastor also does the same thing. God and Jesus BOTH said that churches and religions of man are false and are “works of the flesh”. The Revelation account also says that religons of mankind are “Babylon the Great” and all who participate in them will be destroyed with no hope of a resurrection.

    • TWR

      Emery,

      How can a gay Christian pastor be an abomination when Christians no longer have to follow God’s commandments?

      • Emery

        And where did you get THAT idea?

        • TWR

          I got it rom you and everyone on this site. There is eternal salvation according to this site. Once you confess your sins, you are going to heaven, no matter what you do. You believe God’s commandments are an option. To me that is like saying you have an option to jump from a plane with or without a parachute. Which option would you choose? The only reason you have a gay pastor is because Christians and JWs are too intellectually suppressed to understand the difference between a law and a commandment.

          Commandment – Leviticus 18:22 (KJV) Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
          LAW – Leviticus 20:13 (KJV) If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

          One of these was done away with. One can never be done away with. The creator of the earth command you to do something, you do it. People say it was just for Israel. That is a lie.

          Leviticus 18:26King James Version (KJV)
          26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:

          The commandment was for any nation that sojourns with Israel. That came to include ALL gentiles.

          Ephesians 2:19King James Version (KJV)
          19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

          All gentiles are to follow God’s commandments. It was not a request.

          Leviticus 18:4King James Version (KJV)
          4 Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the Lord your God.

          The judicial decisions (law) are done away with. The commandments are not. If you are fellow citizens, under the same God, those commandments are not optional. This proves there is no law covenant. Those laws applied to any stranger that attached himself to Israel. If people had the common sense to distinguish between the commandment and the law, this would not be an issue. Because people lump commandments and laws together and try to make them the basis of the covenant, even though is was established with Abraham, this is what happens. Your law covenant and option to keep the creator’s commands is why the world is in shambles. Neither are correct or biblical. It is just false doctrine.

          • Emery

            TWR;
            Now stop lying again. I never said that. I told you that we aren’t under any law command, and are not under compulsion to obey any command of law any more. We obey, if we do, because we CHOOSE to obey them. Out of love for Jehovah. And no, there are no “Christians” on this site, other than myself. All the others are part of the religions of Christendom. No Christian would EVER be part of any religion other than the “one true faith” Jesus taught. And no one else on this site, or the other site where I actually made that post (not this blog but the one about the lies of the rapture) are Christian. They are not part of the “one true faith” and none practice it but myself. All of them preach and teach the lies of religions. They teach things NOT found in God’s word. I do no such thing.

            And no, there exists no such “eternal salvation” until the time for being saved comes about, i.e. the tribulation or the final battle. One cannot be “pre-saved”. That’s like being saved in advance from a drowning 20 years yet in the future. It’s impossible. That’s another lie of religions. It’s NOT found anywhere in God’s word. Only those whom God chooses, go to heaven after being transformed into spirit persons, since we have no immortal soul that could go there. You make claims about God’s witnesses when you have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about. Is that wise? No, it’s not. There exist gay pastors, or ANY pastors, because RELIGIONS invented them. They are not scriptural, and are not approved of by God. Gay or not. Homosexual activities are also condemned by God. And I’ve never met an “intellectually suppressed” witness, except one who has brain damage from an accident.

            All those commands you listed, are a waste of time. Anyone who has actually studied, and meditated on God’s word, has already known them. However, we are NOT commanded to obey them. We obey them because they tell us what God WANTS us to do, BY CHOICE, not by COMMAND, as was the case in the past under the Law Covenant made with Israel through Moses. You really shouldn’t speak of things that you know nothing about, as you always do.

  • TWR

    Emery,

    It is because of what you believe that gay pastors exist. You say we are under no compulsion or command to follow the commands of the creator of this world. That is one of the most ignorant things I have heard come from one who claims to serve God. That is the most childish view anyone could ever take. What happens if you don’t follow God’s commandments? Do you still go to heaven? If you commit incest, bestiality, homosexuality and everything immoral, do you still go to heaven? To say we are under no compulsion, gives the impression that the same result can be achieved whether we do or not. That is an ignorant perspective. You can go sky diving. You are under no compulsion to wear a parachute. You know the outcome. You are under no compulsion to eat or drink, but there are consequences. Don’t be ignorant your whole life. If there are consequences for not doing something, that is the same as compulsion. Otherwise, it doesn’t matter if the pastor is gay or not. He is under no compulsion not to be gay.

    • Emery

      No, it is NOT because of the word of God that Gay pastors exist TWR. It’s because of people such as yourself, who support Satan’s challenge to God that Gay pastors exist.

      • TWR

        God’s word is clear that all are to follow. He created everything. It is because of ignorant interpretations like we have a choice that gay pastors believe they also have a choice. A choice with negative consequences is really not a choice. Choose heaven or be blotted out. Is that a choice? Not following God’s commandments is to be blotted out. Having a choice means the same results can be achieved regardless of your choice. I don’t expect you to comprehend that.

        • Emery

          You know not one single word of the inspired word of God. If you did, you would know that NOWHERE in it does it say we go to heaven. You would ALSO know that we are under undeserved kindness, not the law covenant. And nowhere did I say we are not to obey God. Nowhere. No one DOES obey God. You sure don’t TWR. If you did, you would know what His word actually says, and you don’t. That’s VERY CLEAR.

    • Emery

      You don’t know God’s word. You don’t obey God’s word. You don’t even reply to what I write. You imagine something other than what I write, and then answer to that. You’re not sane.

      • TWR

        Emery,

        Call it what you want.
        In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into My presence, so that you also may be where I am.…

        Only the true Israelites are under undeserved kindness.

        Jeremiah 50:20King James Version (KJV)
        20 In those days, and in that time, saith the Lord, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.

        There is nowhere in the bible that says gentile sins are forgiven. That is an assumption based on Paul saying he is apostle to the gentiles. Gentiles were never under the law. Sin is transgression of the law. What sins did gentiles have to forgive? That’s right. He is forgiving sins we choose to commit 2,000 years later. You are senile. You don’t know me. You don’t know what I do. You are assuming, like you assume you know God’s word. You don’t reply to what I write. You don’t know if I reply to what you write because you are senile and forget what you write. You definitely have undeserved kindness in the fact anyone entertains your foolishness. Paul was not talking to gentiles when he made that statement.

        • Emery

          As I previously stated, MULTIPLE TIMES, you know not the first thing about what God’s word says. Not the first, single thing. Nothing. Nada. Zero. Zip. Zilch. You are CLUELESS.

          • TWR

            Emery,

            You know less than I do. Doesn’t say much for you. Man’s ignorance is so astounding. Guess that is the wild olive branch. God, who made man, the world, and everything in it gives optional commandments. What was the purpose of giving any commandments at all? He just made up some rules for Israel? What he taught them set them apart from all other nations. JW’s are set apart in their mind. God made up his mind about Israel before the new testament existed or gentiles had salvation.

            Isaiah 59:20King James Version (KJV)
            20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord.

            There is no spiritual Jacob. Israel was temporarily blinded. He left us just for a little while..

            Isaiah 54:7-8King James Version (KJV)
            7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.

            8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer.

            God made up his mind about Edomites and gentiles as
            well.

            Amos 9:11-12King James Version (KJV)
            11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

            12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the Lord that doeth this.

            Israel will possess all the heathen gentiles that choose to serve God. Gentiles will be servants and hand maids.

            Isaiah 60:10King James Version (KJV)
            10 And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee.

            Isaiah 49:23King James Version (KJV)
            23 And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the Lord: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.

            Isaiah 14:1-2King James Version (KJV)
            14 For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

            2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.

            This is what you and the gentiles have to look forward to. It is written. God has spoken. You exulted yourself over the natural branch. All gentiles were to be grafted in conditionally. Everyone was supposed to be spiritual Israel. You are just a gentile and you need to understand your place. There are only two types of people in the world. True Israel and gentiles. God chose Jacob long ago. You can keep up with the false religion and hopes all you like. Christians only exist in the misinterpreted and mistranslated new testament. Christians and Christiandom are both fabrications. Neither are in God’s plan of salvation. You are still gentiles.

          • Emery

            No, I know the scriptures cover to cover, inside and out. Having STUDIED each scripture and compared each one to each other one more than 45 times, having translated vast portions of it from ancient texts starting in the mid 70’s, having taught the scriptures for years, and having worked with the remnant for years, what you claim is vanity on your part. Not being able to admit you know nothing about God’s word makes you haughty, NOT humble as required by God. Not knowing your spiritual needs makes you ignorant according to God. Not behaving according to God’s word makes you very disobedient to God. Believing lies of religions instead of the truths from God makes you a supporter of Satan and not of God in the dispute between the two. You’re NOT on God’s side and you DON’T obey Him nor worship Him as He requires. You choose the traditions of men over the truth of God. There are but the two choices, and you don’t choose God.

  • Larry/vietnamvet1971

    The Creator GOD & HIS Holy Word have Never changed, they are the same Yesterday Genesis 1. Today Revelation 22 & Tomorrow. The ONLY thing changed is Evil, Sinful, Wicked men & women twisting, turning His Word to fit, suit their agenda.

    • Emery

      Larry;
      It is Satan who inspires men and women to be evil, sinful and wicked, and it is Satan who inspiries the twisting and turning of God’s word. Satan is “misleading the entire inhabited Earth”.

      • TWR

        Emery,

        Satan has you completely fooled.

        • Emery

          No, not in the slightest. You, however, seem very much to be quite a different story TWR.

  • Gay Christians = Christians Indwelt by the Holy Spirit

    The battle against this atrocity begins with identifying it correctly. The point being, Christians need to stop using the non-Christians’ watered-down, politically correct terms such as “abortion” and “gay.” It’s infanticide and sodomy. There is no power in the former terms against evil and our first mistake is in acquiescing to the ungodly’s terminology.

  • I don’t see what the problem is. God said, that is it. He has never changed His precepts or laws. He is not going to resurrect Sodom and apologize to them. Homosexuality is a sin as it always has been. God never intended man to lie with man and be a sodomite. Nor did He design women to be lesbian. It is a shame that we, as Babylon in Revelation 18 have become the habitation of every foul and unclean spirit. God have mercy on America! God send a revival before we cross the line of going too far!

    • Emery

      Lou;
      What God said, was homosexual ACTS, not homosexuals. As long as they don’t commit immoral acts, lie with men, or women with women, or commit ANY homosexual ACTS, then no sin is committed, EXCEPT the lusting after another. Jesus said that if a man looks at a woman with lustful thoughts, he has ALREADY committed fornication and/or adultery in his mind. Same with men lusting after men. God doesn’t hate homosexuals, He hates homosexual acts. He hates immorality, and misuse of sex organs. So-called Christians, however, take it too far, and verbally attack homosexuals, and hate them, ignoring the command to love your neighbor as yourself.

  • Berea

    You should fit your self to the Bible and not the Bible fit to your sinful lifestyles. I don’t that this ‘Gay Pastor” is a bible believer. Look 1 Cor..5:17..If you really in Christ you must be change.I really don’t know how he leads his congregation. It’s a congregation of Satan i supposed.

SUBSCRIBE NOW

Join Our FREE Subscription Service!

End times Bible prophecy news happens fast, add your email now to get our latest articles sent to your inbox in real-time.

Join 12,368 other subscribers

SUPPORT NTEB

24 hours a day, seven days per week, Now The End Begins keeps you informed of what's happening around the world as it relates to the end times and Bible prophecy. Your generous non-tax deductible contribution helps us to do that. Thank you in advance for your much-needed support.

CATEGORY SEARCH