FUTURE SHOCK: Microsoft Releases ‘Holoportation’ Allowing For Stunning Real-Time 3D Interaction

Holoportation is a new type of 3D capture technology that allows high-quality 3D models of people to be reconstructed, compressed and transmitted anywhere in the world in real time. When combined with mixed reality displays such as HoloLens, this technology allows users to see, hear, and interact with remote participants in 3D as if they are actually present in the same physical space.

Holoportation is a new type of 3D capture technology that allows high-quality 3D models of people to be reconstructed, compressed and transmitted anywhere in the world in real time.

“And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.” Revelation 13:15 (KJV)

Microsoft just added a new word to the English lexicon – holoportation. That’s a word you are going to be hearing a lot in the coming months. According to the Microsoft development website, Holoportation is a new type of 3D capture technology that allows high-quality 3D models of people to be reconstructed, compressed and transmitted anywhere in the world in real time. When combined with mixed reality displays such as HoloLens, this technology allows users to see, hear, and interact with remote participants in 3D as if they are actually present in the same physical space. Communicating and interacting with remote users becomes as natural as face-to-face communication.

In short, this astounding development is the virtual equivalent of the Star Trek teleportation device. See for yourself:

Microsoft’s New Tech Lets You Virtually Teleport Anywhere in the World:

Do you remember The Day Of Wonders?

Now, just for fun, let me call to your remembrance a movie from 1999 called ‘Revelation‘ in which we see the world in the days after the Rapture of the Church. The Antichrist has risen to power, and he is rolling out a little something called The Day Of Wonders. What is it? It’s 3D virtual reality in which, after the person has put on the glasses and entered into the virtual world, they face the Antichrist who gives them the option of either taking the Mark of the Beast, or getting their heads cut off right then and there.

Watch the entire movie when you have the time, but for now go to the 1:10:00 – 1:14:00 mark of this video and see what I’m talking about. Cindy, a blind girl, puts on the VR glasses and is able to see for the first time. When her eyes are opened, like Eve before her, she finds she is looking at the Devil.

We are living in the time of the end, right here and now

“But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book,even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.” Daniel 12:4 (KJV)

Events are happening faster than we can process them, yet nothing startles or amazes us much anymore. Knowledge is increasing rapidly in accordance with Daniel’s prophecy, and we are seeing an unsaved world rushing headlong into preparing to live under Antichrist. And they don’t even know it.

The main event which will send the world into chaos is the Pretribulation Rapture of the Church of Jesus Christ. Those who will be left to face the Antichrist will already be dependent on mind-altering technology like Holoportation, Facebook Oculus, and all the others that will follow. People will begin to accept living in a virtual world as part of their daily reality, indeed that battle for our minds is already well under way as I have shown you today.

How about you? Will you accept Jesus Christ as Saviour and leave this world in the Rapture, or will  you stubbornly stay behind and roll the dice with the Devil? Choice is yours, but don’t take too long to make up your mind. Time is just about up.

Don’t wind up holoporting all the way into a fiery Hell created for the Devil and his followers. Get saved and get the Blessed Hope.

“Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;” Titus 2:13 (KJV)

NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he has a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.

  • Pete

    So completely silly. My goodness. Speculators have been attributing modern technology to the “beast” for centuries.

    Revelation is a 1st century book, written TO 7 churches in Asia Minor. It is written by a Jew, from a Jewish perspective, using imagery from the Old Testament to convey that Jesus Christ is king of kings, judge of all, and the only one worthy.

    It isn’t a story about the 21st century. It isn’t a book of riddles that we can crack the code, and know the future. You cheapen God’s word with this Hollywood nonsense. And you miss the point. Revelation is about Jesus. That’s why it calls itself “the Revelation OF Jesus Christ.”

    We aren’t the central generation of people from all of earth’s history, upon which the fulcrum of God’s divine plan rests. Get over it.

    • Unlike you, we BELIEVE the Bible and understand Revelation to be the blueprint for the end times. It is a 1st century book, yes, but in that book John was taken to the FUTURE, and shown EVENTS that “must shortly come to pass”….Revelation is not an allegory, it’s a documentary.

  • How wonderful will this be for the parent who travels and is away for months on end. Being able to virtually play with your child in your hotel

    room is only the beginning!

    • Ah yes, that’s where it will start, as a wonderful benefit. Just like the trout savoring the succulence of the worm…until it feels the hook.

  • Tracy

    Off topic here, but………


    Pastor Shares Concerning Trump

    “I’ve heard too many say lately that we, the American people have no choice in this November election!

    Do you really think that God would leave us with no choice!
    Come on people!

    Where’s your faith!! He has heard our cries!

    In defense of Donald Trump : Try to keep this in mind, Donald Trump did not steal your money.

    Donald Trump did not raise your taxes.

    Donald Trump did not quadruple the price of food.

    Trump is not starting a race war.

    Trump did not leave any US soldiers in Benghazi to be slaughtered and desecrated by Muslims.

    Trump did not send the US Navy to fight for Syrian Al-Qaeda.

    Trump did not arm ISIS and systematically exterminate Christians throughout the Middle East.

    Trump did not betray Israel.

    Trump did not provide financing and technology to Iran’s nuclear weapons program.

    Trump did not give our military secrets to China.

    Trump did not remove our nuclear missile shield in Poland at the behest of Russia.

    Trump did not shrivel our military, and betray our veterans.

    Trump did not cripple our economy.

    Trump did not increase our debt to 20 trillion dollars.

    Trump did not ruin our credit, twice.

    Trump did not double African American unemployment.

    Trump did not increase welfare to a record level for eight years.

    Trump did not sign a law making it legal to execute, and imprison Americans.

    Trump did not set free all of terrorists in Guantanamo bay.

    Trump did not steal your rights, violate US Constitutional law, or commit treason, hundreds of times.

    Yet Trump is being ripped apart in the news, nonstop.

    Barrack Hussein Obama, Hillary Clinton and the criminals occupying our government, are not.

    The media is the Democratic Party.

    Save our culture.

    Stop listening to them!

    Please share!

  • Pete

    I 100% believe the Bible as God’s inspired word. Unlike you, who is somewhat clueless how to actually interpret it, I believe the Bible uses symbolism throughout. And symbolism is very important to our faith. Jesus used it, Paul used it, Peter used it. You scoff at symbolism as if somehow it makes God’s words less important. But your faith relies on it. Without the amazing symbolism of the Bible, we would not believe the Gospel. You and I, as Gentiles, would not believe Jesus was the Messiah sent to save the world on the cross, without symbolism.

    Your dispensensationalism works on people who don’t know better, but those of us who actually grew up under it for 30 years and have seen both sides know better. As I have said before, I probably know the system better than you do.

    So before you tell a brother in Christ he doesn’t even believe the Bible, stop and consider that perhaps you are more concerned with holding up your man-made doctrine rather than the pure word of God.

  • Interesting! However, this article makes a statement about a “Pre-Tribulation Rapture,” about which there is no Biblical support. The only mention in the Bible about anything resembling a “rapture” comes in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, referring to the end of the Tribulation, after nearly all Christians have been beheaded for refusing to take the Mark of the Beast, and only a scant remnant remain hiding in a safe place. Jesus returns, and then: “After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.”

    If someone can show me an explicit Bible verse that clearly states that there will be a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, I would greatly appreciate it. Not something vague lifted out of context and force fitted to infer a “rapture” but something clear and pointed. I’ve read the Bible cover to cover many times and never found anything. In fact, Jesus states in the Bible clearly just the opposite, that during the Tribulation Period, Christians will be hated for His name, martyred, and beheaded, and only a remnant will remain untouched because they were willing to leave their homes and journey far away to be protected in a “safe place” for a times, times, and half a times (three and a half years). Better get your travel bag ready . . . .

  • Being a student of the Bible and a software engineer I can see both the good and bad of this. As a software engineer I love making software applications and pushing technology to its limits. But as a student of the Bible I know that technology will be used as the “Mark of the Beast” to tracking people, and so on.

    I cannot see how a person could hold to amillennialism, preterism, or postmillennialism when they study the Bible

  • But Trump did support the Democratic Party more than any other party and he still supports the gays and so on. I just hope he has trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ and wins.

  • Carmen McHenry

    As a youngster watching Star Trek I often wondered when these technologies were actually going to be, and I told folks, very soon. They blew me off as a little kid. We are living them now. But, all that glitters is not gold. Even before you mentioned the movie,”Revelation” my thoughts went to it. Several folks are still scoffing and mocking me ( or rather The Word). But I’m gonna still witness while there is still time. Thank you for being a watcher on the wall.

  • Yep just like the TV you enjoy or better your computer. In fact your computer and smartphone supports more pornography than you’d expect.

    the trout savoring the succulence of the worm…until it feels the hook ; You’re killing me Geoff : )

  • DeniseC

    Wow, Pete, what does that say about you to continue to come to a site where you think the editor and contributors are “silly,” “clueless,” and “don’t know better?” We are humbled by your superior intellect—Not. You just love to cut everybody down, and I am sick of it. If you are truly a Christian one, you are one of the most arrogant I have ever met. Jesus was humble and didn’t agree with everyone but was respectful. You are a joke, acting like you know everything. Rarely do you have something positive to contribute, but it’s more fun for you to make GG/us your personal punching bag. What a horrible example you are to someone questioning Christianity. Who would want to join someone as judgmental as you?
    I completely disagree with you that the bible is mostly symbolism, but I would not tell you you’re clueless—especially since it’s so obvious.
    You are part of the apostasy and you don’t even know it. You try to make the bible what it’s not. Get some Q-tips for those “itching ears.”

  • DeniseC

    Allyson, several times people here have given plenty of proof/verses for the pre-Tribulation Rapture, and Geoffrey has written articles about it. There is a wealth of information about it on several Christian sites, so if you were really questioning, I think you’d search and find your answer. I think it’s easier for you to deny it and scoff at it with nothing to back up YOUR view, than to really ask the Holy Spirit for discernment and find the truth. I’m surprised, really, that you didn’t give the same-old, tired argument that “rapture” doesn’t even appear in the bible (it doesn’t but the Greek “harpazo” means the same as the Latin “rapturo.”) That seems to be a favorite among scoffers. You are not alone; there are many who argue against the PTR, and we’re fine with that. One’s belief of when the Rapture happens isn’t a litmus test for being a part of it. One must only admit they are a sinner and accept Christ’s Perfect Sacrifice for those sins.
    If you REALLY are questioning, there are plenty of people, myself included, who would be happy to assist you, but will you “hear” anything anyone has to say, or will you be ready with a counter-argument? Only the HS can help you do this; some people are unable to “see” and “hear;” that’s why Jesus said, “The wise shall understand.” Some do not have enough belief to have that Blessed Hope that we will be saved from God’s wrath, and a semester-long course in the PTR won’t convince them. Here’s one verse for you, though….What do you think Jesus was talking about “escaping?” The obvious answer is the Tribulation. All the apostles but John died a martyr’s death, so it wasn’t trouble in their time. The Rapture can’t come after the Tribulation, or they wouldn’t be escaping anything.

    Luke 21:36 KJV:
    Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

  • Pete

    @DeniseC, I come here and criticize because I see these teachings as false, and I see Geoffrey as sometimes putting out bad doctrine, and I am holding him accountable by pointing it out so that others might learn. If you don’t like my opinion, feel free to reject it. And it doesn’t bother me in the least if you criticize me. Apparently Geoffrey doesn’t mind it either since he allows guys like me to stick around. BTW every once in a while Geoffrey says something I agree with and sometimes I add “amen” to it.

    I am not here to impress anybody. I am here to offer another viewpoint. I think Geoffrey is arrogant too. And? Yep. I am arrogant. I arrogantly think I know some truth, and I arrogantly tell others what I think the truth is. ??? That’s what YOU are doing.

    I never said the Bible is “mostly symbolism.” I said the Bible uses symbolism throughout, important symbolism that you and I and everyone who is a Christian is reliant upon for our very salvation. (Maybe I am arrogant but at least I don’t put words in people’s mouths. That’s called “bearing false witness, FYI.)

    I said that in direct response to Geoffrey accusing ME of “not believing the Bible” because I don’t interpret it the way HE thinks I should. Who is arrogant here, Denise? The guy who accuses someone of disbelief in scripture (someone he doesn’t know) because we have different interpretations of VERY difficult scriptures? Oh, by the way, scriptures that people have been ARGUING ABOUT for 2000 years?

    Oh yeah, I forgot…you and Geoffrey have all of this figured out, after 2000 years, excuse me. I should step aside and just bow to your authority.

    Who is arrogant here?

  • Pete

    @DeniseC, you said “The Rapture can’t come after the Tribulation, or they wouldn’t be escaping anything.” and then you quote Luke 21:36. But pretribbers insist that Luke 21 and Matthew 24 and Mark 13 – the Olivet Discourse – is not talking about the rapture and is not addressing the church. A key tenet of your belief system is that Paul revealed the mystery if the catching away to heaven to escape the time of Jacob’s Trouble, that Jesus never mentioned it.

    So….how can you say this means what you say it means?

    p.s. How can you be so arrogant as to tell Allyson what you believe to be “the truth”?

  • T. Berk

    Maybe Jesus is referring to the things that shall come to pass as God’s wrath on the earth through His judgment’s as called out in the book of Revelation. If that’s what we’re escaping then that puts us past the mid point of the last 7 years.

  • Ed K

    I always wondered what the “image of the beast would be” and assumed that it would be an android (talking idol or statue that people will be arrested, brought before and forced to worship or die) a clone of the Antichrist (like Dolly the sheep) or a “Star Wars” type of computer generated hologram that people will be viewing that has the programming to appear anywhere in front of said person and depending on that person’s chosen reaction issue orders for either let person live a short while and get branded as a slave to the demonic antichrist (mark of the Beast) and also reserve a permanent spot in a very hot climate for that individual or to arrest and execute that said individual for disobeying its orders to bow and worship it as God. The walking, talking hologram ordering one to worship it or lose one’s head sounds like the most likely and easiest option to implement with today’s technology.

    Here’s a possible scenario w/ the 2 choices: An individual is watching the news and sees a story about a world-wide identification and commerce system enabling microchip (w/ possible DNA altering biological viral additions that makes an individual both a nephilian and thus, no longer eligable for human salvation and a recipient of a spiritual lobotomy that destroys that individuals ability to repent and have a positive relationship with Jesus. This would be delivered via injection under one condition; that is if the individual worshipped the image. If he/she bowed and worshipped it, the image would order a doctor, nurse, paramedic or technician accompanied by a police escort standing outside to administer the shot/mark so the individual gets wired into the world-wide hive brain (reminiscent of the Borg in Star Trek the Next Generation that assimilated people to become part of the Borg consciousness). He/she becomes a spiritually lobotomized zombie that becomes rabidly hostile towards anyone expressing the mere thought of worshipping the True God or any other god other than the Antichrist or his image.

    Here is how it might play out if the individual flatly refuses to conform, submit and worship as ordered. The individual is watching the news on television (or holovision if that technology becomes state of the art) when suddenly, in the middle of the living room, the world emperor appears as a hologram and personally interacts with him/her. The individual flatly refuses to worship and says, “I will only worship the true God, Jesus Christ! You’re not Him so I refuse to bow to you!”

    Then the hologram says, “Then that leaves me no choice but to order my secret police who are outside your door to arrest you, take you downtown and hold you while giving you some incentives and chances to conform & worship me. If you still refuse, then they are hereby ordered to execute you.

    Then the police break through the door and one of them is someone the individual knew and maybe dated. In fact a couple of months before, they had a very friendly conversation about the Great Disappearance that happened nearly 3 1/2 years earlier, God and religion and still parted as friends. However, this officer that whose shell the individual recognises isn’t the same person they talked to. He/she came in with the same vacant look as the other police officers as they all in unison tackle, handcuff the individual and then proceed in zombie like fashion to take turns worshiping the image. His/her eyes turns rabid at the very defiance of the individual to comply and he/she roughly handles and hurls obscenity laden insults at that individual as they head downtown for further torture, an undetermined number of chances to renounce Jesus and conform and then finally, death via guillotine if that individual doesn’t cave in and comply.

    Nevertheless, no matter how these scenarios play out, the choice seems to be the ultimatum of either conforming, accepting the mark and getting up to 3 1/2 years of continued existance on a hellish Earth before retiring to a very hot climate or refusing to worship or get the mark, getting a short time of torture and then losing one’s head only to regain it at the resurrection of the OT and Tribulation saints on Jesus’ Second Coming along with eternal life with Jesus

  • What a great one Geoff! And some of the posters on here can not (or will not) see it. It is amazing how some can confuse such simple King James Bible doctrine that the Holy Spirit so wonderfully shows all who are seeking the truth. I am so thankful for your faithfulness in teaching and the info on your website. Keep fighting the good fight and defending the faith. I’ll see you there or in the air at the PRE-TRIB Rapture!

  • whatzerface

    First time commenting here. I have been coming to this site for about 2 months now. I am a believer in Christ and have been extensively blessed while on this site, with all the studies, and all the Scriptures that are shared. Thank you for this site Geoffrey. I have such excitement inside that Christ could call us up hither, on any day, any second. This site, which I can’t remember now how I found, helps me focus on Christ. I sense the excitement of fellow believers as I read the comments although there are varied beliefs when it comes to the rapture and tribulation. I can share that my belief of His imminent coming has caused me to become closer to Him, be more concerned about sharing His gospel with the lost, to make myself as ready as I am able, to meet My Savior so that I am not caught off guard. This has caused much praise to come from my lips as I see, through His Word, that he has not appointed us to wrath. What comfort. What hope. I would like to mention that I went through a season of not being in close fellowship with Christ, I am ashamed of myself for many things. Thanks be to God through Christ, He offers forgiveness. Now that there is a fire inside again, I would like to thank you for this site, for all the comments that have ministered to me, for the work that you do. It is not in vain. For all believers, our Lord is great, gracious, kind, long-suffering. And holy. What a holy Lord we serve. Come Lord Jesus, come!

  • Pete… as so many of us have said.. why dont you GO and bother 100s (plural) of other sites instead of staying like a WART that keeps growing back under your foot (veruga). You have FREE choice….so take that choice and disappear to give your insight to those who are in great need of it…J.W., 7th day, the Methodist Church who allowed 2 x homosexuals to propose to each other, etc.etc. Please, for the love of us all as a “supposed” Christian….go forth and spew elsewhere. To be like the straw on the camel’s back to people like me after a day like I had today, the LAST thing we need is to see your comments, although it is a good test to progress in patience and I admire Geoffrey Grider and the others for their courtesy and patience.

  • Julie

    Amen, Geoffrey! Preach it! This website is such a blessing to those of us that will believe.

  • Pete

    @Angus-Caroline Scott, I must be having an impact then, since you seem to care so much that you are willing to spend 5 minutes to tell me this. Why don’t you quit whining at me, and respond with some scripture to refute my points?

  • Pete

    @thronedancer888 says //It is amazing how some can confuse such simple King James Bible doctrine that the Holy Spirit so wonderfully shows all who are seeking the truth.//

    Where in the King James Bible (or any Bible) does it talk about 3D technology and virtual reality simulations? Shouldn’t we be warning the lost about HELL and the lake of fire? The great white throne judgment? Stuff like that, instead of these Hollywood fantasies?

    This is no joke.

  • DLG

    Well the devil must be working overtime when he’s gotten Christians arguing against Christians. It’s really a shame when that happens, it makes us look just as bad as the ones that don’t believe. Maybe we all need to take a breath and look in the mirror. It’s only getting worse from here… Seems to me we should be practicing some self control. Everything’s an argument these days..

  • Ben Starchenko


    Please note the question to provide one single verse that proves the “Pre-tribulation” rapture has not been addressed. Countless times assumption and conjecture are forced into the text to make it prove the pre-trib rapture. Please note Good Fight Ministries have a $10,000 reward for anyone who can provide a “proof text”, to date nothing has been provided.

    The real issue is that we have many verses in the bible that clearly go against pre-trib.

    2 Thessalonians

    2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

    2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    The above passage by Paul directly deals with the pre-tribulation rapture, and in fact he calls it “deception”. By his words those who teach pre-tribulation rapture are teaching “deception”. Paul clearly tells us it wont happen until the Anti-Christ makes himself god in the temple, which happens to be exactly what Jesus teaches.

    I have posted on these pages more times than I count about this issue, and no one can respond showing how Paul’s words above are not true. Please note I was a pre-tribulationist, I know the argument better than most, and it is flawed, but the above passage cannot be dismissed. It is too clear and direct.

    At the end of the day, who is more important to be correct. Me or the Word of God, I choose the Word of God.

    Please note there are a number of extremely good teachers now teaching “pre-wrath or intra-seal” rapture. The best 2 are the following:

    1. Jacob Prasch
    2. Kent Hovind (go to his Youtube page at watch the WOE series)

    No one understands the end times events completely, and no one ever will until they occur. But the pre-trib rapture theory goes against scripture in so many different ways.

    I understand if you wish to kept beginning to believe in the pre-trib teaching, that is your prerogative, but please don’t teach it like doctrine (it isn’t) and scripture directly contradicts it. At best the theory is based on bad hermeneutics, and worst as stated by Paul it is “Deception”…….

    • Hey, guess what? Tune into our radio show tonight and I will “respond” to your statements for a 2 hour period…..what you say is very easy to refute and expose.

  • Larry/vietnamvet1971

    well, it did not take long for the Doubting “unbelievers” to jump in and show their Superior knowledge of NOTHING.

  • Heather

    Allyson, you quoted;
    “Only a remnant will remain untouched because they were willing to leave their homes and journey far away to be protected in a “safe place” for a times, times, and half a times (three and a half years).”
    Can you please provide me with the scripture for this? No where in scripture do I see the Lord telling the Body of Christ that if we will leave our homes and journey far away to a protected place that we will be protected. Are you Jewish Allyson? Because if the replacement theologist doesn’t take Matthew 24: 15-20 out of context, then it’s very clear to see that Jesus is speaking to those who live in Judaea.

    Matthew 24:15-20 (KJV)

    15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

    16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

    17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

    18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

    19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

    20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

  • I highly suspect that this Pete commentor is a troll. His posts always have an antagonistic twist to them. Note the accusations as well. The Father of Lies uses these same tactics. I am in no way arguing with my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ and it seems that the only one on here doing that is this “Pete” character, the accuser of the brethren, your mission as failed!

  • Pete

    @thronedancer888 Where in the King James Bible (or any Bible) does it talk about 3D technology and virtual reality simulations? Shouldn’t we be warning the lost about HELL and the lake of fire? The great white throne judgment?

    I am still waiting for your answer. You claimed that the “simple King James Bible doctrine that the Holy Spirit so wonderfully shows all who are seeking the truth” will prove and uphold Geoffrey’s speculative claims.

  • Pete

    //Tune into our radio show tonight and I will “respond” to your statements for a 2 hour period…..what you say is very easy to refute and expose.//

    I cannot wait to hear you enlighten us about how the word “rapture” has come to mean:

    1 – The church being taken bodily to heaven.
    2 – The church being rescued from 7 years of hell on earth.

    Neither of those concepts are in the Bible. I want proof, from scripture alone, that being “caught up to meet the Lord in the clouds” means going to heaven with Him. Show us in John 14 or 1 Thess 4/5 (the only “rapture verses” you have) that say the church goes to heaven.

    We meet the Lord in the air, in the clouds. That’s not heaven. We are with Him forever…it doesn’t say where in that verse. But we know that we spend eternity in the new earth (Rev 21-22), not in heaven.

    In John 14 Jesus said the following:

    And if I go [TO HEAVEN] and prepare a place for you, I will come again [TO EARTH], and receive you unto myself; that where I am [STILL ON EARTH!], there ye may be also.

    Please point out the word or phrase anywhere here that indicates Jesus comes down from heaven, collects us, and takes us back TO heaven for any length of time, much less 7 years.

    I will listen carefully.

  • Larry/vietnamvet1971

    Denise, You should not waste your time arguing with people, let them believe what they want and you Believe what you KNOW.

  • Larry/vietnamvet1971

    They will not because their PRIDE gets in their way….

  • Pete, I believe Geoff’s already covered this topic so what he says tonight may or may not be anything new.


  • Pete

    @With Fortitude, I am listening to it now. I will have comments.

    Geoffrey’s statements are full of error but one of those is this “everlasting gospel” twisting of scripture that is classic dispensensationalism.

    He says the “everlasting gospel” in Revelation 14:6 is “brand new” and not the Gospel Paul preached. He says that this gospel is “Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters”.

    But there’s a problem….

    The text DOESN’T SAY THAT THOSE WORDS ARE THE GOSPEL THE ANGEL PREACHES. Just that the angel says these things as he preaches. BIG DIFFERENCE.

    Go look at the tracts Geoffrey produces and uses. On the front the tract says “Are YOU ready for what comes next?” Is that the gospel Geoffrey is preaching? Of course not, that’s what Geoffrey SAYS as he preaches the everlasting gospel. (How can a gospel be everlasting, by the way, if it’s only preached for a portion of the 7 years?)

    We might say that Geoffrey went forth, preaching the everlasting Gospel to those in Florida, saying “Are you ready for what comes next?”

  • Pete save yourself some time an cut to around 34 min into it ; Geoff talks about nothing concerning the topic up until then. Heck he even mixes a few hymns in : ) Get to the freaking subject Geoff !

  • Pete

    To add to what I wrote above, here is an example of Paul preaching to the Greeks. Does Paul preach “a different Gospel” just because he happens to say certain things to them?

    Act 17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars’ hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
    Act 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

    Read the rest of chapter 17 and tell me where, in that text, does Paul ever once use the name of Jesus. Or talk about accepting Jesus as their savior? Or grace through faith?

    What’s Paul doing here @Geoffrey?

    Is Paul preaching another gospel here, too?

  • Pete as for me I’m one of those Pantribers too ! (laugh) I don’t see why it’s so important to argue about the tribulation but Geoff seems to think doctrine important enough to matter changes with each view ; I do not.

    Still if I had to pick one I would like to go before the tribulation please , so pre- trib sounds good enough for me. But like I’ve always said

    “when it happens will know it” and not a moment sooner.

  • Which reminds me ; Geoff wheres that edit button you promised ?

  • DeniseC

    Here’s a good article that gives all the scoffers’ arguments, as well as the history of the PTR, hundreds of years before Darby.


    “The cornerstone passage that Pastor Schimmel uses throughout his video to attack the Pre–Trib Rapture is found in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2. It reads as follows:

    1) Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,
    2) that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
    3) Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction…
    Pastor Schimmel argues that these verses clearly teach that the Rapture (“our gathering to Him”) will not occur until two things take place: the great apostasy and the revelation of the Antichrist. Since the Bible teaches that the Antichrist will not be revealed until after the Tribulation begins, this passage means the Church will be on earth during the Tribulation.

    **The problem is that almost every time this verse is quoted, the second verse is left out, making it sound like the “it” in verse 3 is referring to the “gathering” in verse 1. But when you read all the verses, it becomes obvious that the antecedent of “it” is really not the “gathering.” Instead, it is “the day of the Lord.” The gathering refers to the Rapture. The “day of the Lord refers” in this context to the Tribulation and the Millennium.**

    This passage is actually a very strong proof text for a Pre–Trib Rapture. Paul had obviously taught the Thessalonians about the Rapture and that it would occur before “the day of the Lord,” or the beginning of the Tribulation. But someone had sent them a fake letter from Paul claiming the day of the Lord had begun. Accordingly, they thought they had missed the Rapture! Paul tries to assure them that has not happened because the day of the Lord, the Tribulation, will not begin until the apostasy occurs and the Antichrist is revealed.

    Another one, with “11 Reasons Why Jesus Will Come Back Before the Tribulation”:

    From Geoffrey Grider:

    From Todd Strandberg @ Rapture Ready:

  • carson

    the second beast/false prophet say’s to them which dwell upon the earth that they should make an image to the beast which had the wound by the sword and did live.
    Them which dwell upon the earth isn’t average joe in joe’s garage with his 32 piece socket set lol. nasa microsoft all the bio tech and so many more industries.
    The foundational tech for an ‘image’ clone drone robot holograph whatever, is here.
    But no ‘image’ will be made until the first beast/AC is seated/empowered and takes his station, but yeah the tech is ready.

    same with a ‘mark’ tech.
    blockchain most likely will be the currency and the mark will span/allow access to the currency/buying and selling along with a range of other things from ID to fast pass toll and tax payments to health records to ID for internet access and much more.
    Anyone can check out the rollouts of blockchain that have already begun, establishment owned blockedchain not bitcoin.
    bitcoin will be banned just as cash and gold will not be used and other then jewelry and electronics etc will be useless.

    a note on the mark causing DNA change so that one could never desire to repent..well who grants faith anyway? We/ourselves grant or make/produce faith? NO.
    John 1:13, not by the will of the flesh, self will, didn’t cause a person to have faith, ephesians 2, faith is a gift, period, end of story.
    Rev 14:9-10, those who take the mark will drink of the wine of God’s wrath…period end of story.
    2nd thess 2 and strong delusion is sent by God Himself upon those who rejected Christ that they all might be damned..
    The door will close not because of DNA change but because God closes it. God closes and none can open, He opens and none can close.
    Read your bible and stop listening to the strange teachings out there about reptiles and DNA change and more that’s out there, all of them negate and belittle the power and will and more of God.
    People will fall to the delusion before the mark comes and is also part of why they take the mark, think about it and add in the many scriptures, no dna change required, they’ll have taken the mark already before DNA change could have happened huh, which is just one more of many which disproves the DNA change theory.

    As to why they don’t later cut their hand off so they can be saved, they’ll never hear the call of God upon them again, God grants faith and grants repentance and opens eyes and opens ears, not self will nor grandma’s will upon them etc, and if God isn’t calling them they’ll never be moved by God to dig the mark out of their hand.
    Being ‘given over’ is found in the bible, a door closing, not by DNA and no DNA change required.

  • Pete

    Hey DeniseC, you write this:

    //Paul had obviously taught the Thessalonians about the Rapture and that it would occur before “the day of the Lord,” or the beginning of the Tribulation. But someone had sent them a fake letter from Paul claiming the day of the Lord had begun. Accordingly, they thought they had missed the Rapture! //

    Did these Thessalonians think everybody had missed the rapture, including Paul? Or did they think they alone had missed it and Paul was gone?

    Since you claim they thought Paul had written them a letter, that means they obviously thought Paul had been left behind too. Right?

    Can you tell me (since you guys claim to know exactly what the Thessalonians were thinking and what Paul had previously taught, even though the Bible doesn’t say what you think) why Paul doesn’t say “that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the rapture has come and left you behind”? Or at least something like that?

  • Ben


    “Refute and expose”, you are going to refute and expose Paul’s words?

    I don’t need someone using semantics and smoke and mirrors to tell me what he says isn’t what he means. I just need to be brave enough to accept what he so plainly states.

    This is just like the Calvinists who try to explain that God doesn’t mean that we wants ALL to be saved.

    When Paul tells me “don’t be deceived”, why would I be wanting someone to explain it means something else. Unless of course this part of the bible isn’t for us either, so now we even have to carve up Paul’s writings like a turkey, and accept that the one doing the carving has greater wisdom than the rest of us.

    My bible tells me ALL scripture is fit for teaching, rebuke etc. I will not be a part of the game much like Luther of old arving up what he liked and didn’t like. But I guess you didn’t realise your hyper dispensational teaching started with Luther? The same Luther who didn’t like James so said it was for the Jews, same guy who wanted revelation removed from the canon.

    I really do not understand why the church will not accept what is plainly written, but instead chases fairy stories made up in their own minds.

    Let God be true and every man a liar

  • Ben


    I don’t quite follow what you are saying. The context of 2 Thessalonians isn’t just the day of the lord, it’s also “our gathering unto him”.

    Read verse 1 again “coming of the lord Jesus AND our gathering unto him”. He is addressing both these issues. He doesn’t just drop one of the issues, we have no right to make such a bold leap….

    Interesting thing is that 2 Thessalonians lines up exactly with the Oliver discourse and also revelation.

  • DeniseC

    I was gone all day and am only now checking email. Way behind, so this will be short. I was not the one who said all that about people thinking they’d missed the Rapture. Everything I posted was from Christ in Prophecy a.k.a. Lamb Lion Ministries of Dr. David Reagan and Nathan Jones, although I’ve heard it explained as they did before by other pastors. Rather than jump all over me, I suggest you take it up with them.

    If learned pastors can’t convince you of the PTR, I doubt I can, so I really don’t want to get into it —again. You’re set in your thinking and I am in mine= exercise in futility. I respect your position; please respect mine.
    My biggest complaint is the disrespect you show toward our host and PTR believers. ‘Nuff said.

  • Ben

    Thanks for your response Denise. Not sure where or how any of my posts have disrespect to anyone. My conversations have been purely using scripture, and as Paul states we are earnestly contend for the faith. Not just accept what anyone says, no matter how many books or members they have.

    Paul is extremely clear, he actually calls it deception. His words not mine.

    This issue has nothing to do with our salvation, but will effect those who believe a lie if we aren’t raptured before the tribulation.

    Most of my dear friends are pre-trib, and I love them dearly. We can choose to disagree, but I side with Paul, he couldn’t have made it clearer. As was Jesus who taught exactly the same thing as Paul.


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