Egypt Rejects Obama Supported Muslim Brotherhood In Bloody Standoff

CAIRO—Two days after Egypt’s military replaced the country’s president, it sent soldiers into the streets to quell demonstrations, as a week of tensions between Islamists and the military transformed...

CAIRO—Two days after Egypt’s military replaced the country’s president, it sent soldiers into the streets to quell demonstrations, as a week of tensions between Islamists and the military transformed into deadly confrontations that heightened some Egyptians’ fears of civil war.

Demonstrations turned bloody Friday as hundreds of thousands of Muslim Brotherhood supporters turned out to protest this week’s military-led ouster of President Mohammed Morsi. Muslim Brotherhood officials said police opened fire on protesters in the Cairo suburb where Mr. Morsi and 12 aides were being held under house arrest, killing five people. The military denied those allegations.

Later in the day, armored personnel carriers arrived on the October 6 bridge, near Tahrir Square, to restore order after rival camps clashed with rocks, fireworks and, according to several witnesses, gunfire from automatic weapons.

At least 30 people died in violence across the country, with another 1,076 injured, officials said.

The street-level military intervention was a rare occurrence in more than two years of turmoil since the overthrow of Hosni Mubarak—but it echoed a dominant Egyptian theme of Mr. Mubarak’s long reign, one of a military-backed state pitted against Islamists.
Such fears were renewed late Friday as state television confirmed the arrest of Khairat El Shater, the Muslim Brotherhood’s influential second-in-command.

Earlier Friday, the Muslim Brotherhood’s leader addressed tens of thousands of supporters who gathered for “Rejection Friday” protests, urging them to continue protesting until Mr. Morsi is reinstated.

“We will protect our president Morsi with our necks. We are all willing to sacrifice our necks and souls for him,” Brotherhood General Guide Mohammed Badie told hundreds of thousands of demonstrators at Cairo’s Rabaa Mosque. Source – WSJ

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  • NTEB: Homosexual Activists: Did you pick up on the street preacher being beaten in Seattle, Washington on July 4, 2013. The Cops told the preacher, ” YOUR PROMOTING HATE.”

    In April, ” Angry Queers” throwing rocks at Hills Mars Church windows in Portland, Oregon for performing traditional marriages.

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  • Ryan

    The American people ( majority ) are for a free Democratic Egypt ( Middle East ) Barry Soetoro aka BHO Does not speak for the Patriotic Free American people and we wholeheartedly Reject him and his Agenda, We are with you In your fight for freedom along with the rest of the world that rejects this Evil that is plaguing our world. Peace be with you all.

  • Amen Ryan, and Amen and Amen !!!

  • There are two battles to be fought at the end of time. The Word of God specifically describes these in detail, and discerns that one is fought at the end of the tribulation, and the other is after the 1000 yr. reign.

    Day of the Lord

    Eze 38:5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
    Eze 38:6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.
    Eze 38:7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.
    Eze 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
    Eze 38:9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

    Eze 38:15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:
    Eze 38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
    Eze 38:17 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?
    Eze 38:18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.
    Eze 38:19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
    Eze 38:20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. (wrath of God)

    Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
    Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
    Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
    Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
    Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
    Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
    Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
    Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

    Eze 39:1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
    Eze 39:2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:
    Eze 39:3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.
    Eze 39:4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

    2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
    2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
    2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
    2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    This battle is when Christ comes back, with all His saints(martyrs).
    Why only martyrs?
    They are coming back with Christ to exact vengeance on the ones that killed them.
    That is why the resurrection/rapture cannot take place until all the martyrs are slain by the antichrist during the great tribulation.

    Christ and the saints(martyrs), will destroy the antichrist and the false prophet.

    Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
    Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
    Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

    Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
    Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
    Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

    Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    Day of God

    Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
    Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
    Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

    In this last battle, God will destroy the devil, and those nations that the devil deceived.

    Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

    Great White Throne Judgment

    Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
    Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
    Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

  • Brenda, there’s another war before the Gog war called the psalm 83/ Obadiah war. In this war Israel will destroy it’s near bordering enemies like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Gaza, Part of Lebanon, possibly Iran, etc.
    Ezekiel 30:2, Ezekiel 30:4, Isaiah 19:17, Isaiah 19:5, Ezekiel 29:8, Ezekiel 29:9, Ezekiel 29:10, Ezekiel 29:11.

    Ishmaelites are todays Arabians and the Hagarenes are todays Egypt. Gebal is todays Lebonon, Ammon is Jordan, Amalek is Lebonon, Philistines are Lebonon, and Tyre is Lebonon. Assur is Jordon. Edom are the Palestinians included in Gaza. These are all mentioned in the war of Psalm 83 and Obadiah.
    Jesus appeared to me in a dream with Moses beside him when my girls were toddlers 30 years ago and showed me this war would take place when my girls were grown women. They are all in their 30’s now! Jesus spoke audibly in the dream telling me about this war where the Jews would get back the covenant land and settle the land for peace issue! Israel will suffer some deaths in this war also. May Jesus our Lord be Glorified in All the Earth!
    Israel will have a short peace period and then the Gog war will take place according to the Lord Jesus and in his Holy word. God bless! Shalom!

    • Debra, these wars are the same, they are the gathering of the nations against Israel and Jerusalem in particular. They are all the nations around the area along with Russia, China, Turkey, and Egypt.

  • Well, if that is the case, then it should be happening very soon, we shall see, because time is running out, even as we speak.
    God bless you, and the Lord will be glorified. Amen.

    • Brenda: egypt problems are in Isaiah 19: 1-2

  • Part of Psalm 83 has been fulfilled Debra.

    This is a prophecy that started since Israel became a nation. A lot of it took place during the 6 DAY WAR. Many of those nations were involved. Not all but many. Notice that the war was 6 DAYS!! On the seventh day is what? The Lords day? THE DAY OF THE LORD!!!!

    • The 6 day war was exactly what was described in many of the verses in Psalm 83 not all as I said its not completely fulfilled but Jordan has come against Israel in the 6 day war.

      If you study the documented miracles of 6 day war you will be amazed at how they match exactly the words of Psalm 83. Now its not complete yet either. Notice the last verse says that when Psalm 83 is done they will know who God is!! This is telling us that Psalm 83 is complete when the Lord Returns. Then they will know their God. Psalm 83 started when Israel became a nation and finishes at the end of Tribulation when the Lord Returns. Then men will know who God is and that he is most high over all the earth.

      Psa 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.


        • I have already showed you the last verse ends at the Lords Return. I do not need to prove anything to you , I posted the scriptures and if you read Psalm 83 you will see that many of the nations mentioned in it have consulted together with one consent saying come let us cut them off from being a nation!!!! THIS IS THE 6 DAY WAR. The verse is saying they will continue to do this to the end upon which men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH are the most high over all the earth. We know from scripture that men will not know this and will deny this right up until the very end. But when the Day of the Lord comes all men will know.

          Again!!! Many of the nations mentioned in it have consulted together with one consent saying come let us cut them off from being a nation!!!!

          Now quotes from Army of Israel during 6 day war!! Quotes also from Arab nations during 6 day war:

          Arab nations surrounding Israel vowed to make the blue Mediterranean run red with the blood of Jews.

          “We were thinking in terms that the Israelis are going to be thrown to the water,” Ret. General Eitan Ben-Eliyahu said.

          “This is a matter of life and death,” he said. ”This is a matter of Israel is going to be destroyed”. This is matter like this is the third chapter of our Independence Day, ’56, and now ’67.”

          “The people were in panic, people were talking about the imminent destruction of the State of Israel, of a war in which there will be an enormous number of casualties; at least 100,000 people will be killed,” Ret. General Shlomo Givas said.

          Psa 83:3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
          Psa 83:4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
          Psa 83:5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:

          During the Six Day War when, a few days prior, people were demonstrating in favor of Gamal Abd Al-Nasser the prime minister of Egypt who called for the destruction of Israel – and just within hours before the battle and before even a bullet was fired – people were shocked to see everyone fleeing. People piled up in cars or ran on foot across the Jordan River. Why? No one knows but, simply put, FEAR struck their hearts as Arab media announced that they were going to blow everything up so it was better for everyone to flee to Jordan.

          Look at the verses of Psalm 83 carefully; they are SO ACCURATE and most people do not pay attention to each word:

          (Psalms 83:15 KJV) So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them AFRAID with thy storm.

          There is only ONE element which caused Israel to win 6 day war and it was definitely not their strength since the Arab armies out numbered Israel 100 to 1 and 100 to 1 in weapons. The reason the Arabs lost the war was the fear factor.

          Now in Psalm 81 there is an interesting verse: (Psalms 81:15 KJV) The haters of the LORD should have submitted themselves unto him: but their time should have endured for ever.

          So it’s speaking of a people who hate God when they think in their mind that they submit to God. The word “Muslims” means “submitters to God”; Islam means “submission”.

          In essence, when you read Psalm 83:2
          (Psalms 83:2 KJV) For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.

          What this is saying is that the enemies in this Psalm (Ishmaelites, Hagarites, Assyrians, Lot, Edom, and the people of Tyre) who think in their minds they submit to God, in reality are full of pride and indeed are haters of God.

          Notice also that this prophecy is future – that the punishment would be forever; it would be at the end of days. So, in reality Psalm 83 has NOT been fully fulfilled; there are continuous events that must happen in order for it to be fully be fulfilled. AS WE SEE THE LAST VERSE SHOWS MEN WILL RECOGNIZE GOD AND WE KNOW THIS IS COMPLETE UPON THE DAY OF THE LORD. THUS PSALM 83 WILL BE FULLY COMPLETE ON THE 7TH DAY (THE LORDS DAY) Day of the Lord when men will know their God.

          Psa 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

          Listen: we had a Six Day War. This is significant and the church is asleep at the wheels. There is ONE day left to make it seven – the Day of the Lord. We will have a ONE DAY WAR which will be called “The Battle over Jerusalem” in which believers will fight.

          Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
          Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
          Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
          Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

          (Zec 14:9) And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

          Psa 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

          In all the context of the day of the Lord he has an army and a camp with bodies that cannot be destroyed. This is in Joel chapter 2:

          (Joel 2:2) A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

          These are people, human beings.

          Joel 2:7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:

          Joel 2:8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.

          On that day it’s:

          Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

          Joe 2:11 “And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great:…………”

          Who is this army? The people who have glorified bodies!

          (Zec 14:5) “………….and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

          Saints in glorified bodies with the Lord who when they fall upon the sword will NOT BE WOUNDED!!

          NOTICE THAT WHEN THE DAY OF THE LORD IS THAT THE BRIDEGROOM COMES AND THE BRIDE COMES OUT OF THE CLOSET CHANGED!!!!! HMMMM NO PRE TRIB RAPTURE THERE, IT PLAINLY SAYS WHEN THE BRIDEGROOM COMES OUT OF HIS CHAMBER THE BRIDE COMES OUT OF THE CLOSET!! WHEN IS THIS? AT THE DAY OF THE LORD!!! Well thats the rapture folks and we will have glorified bodies and be fighting with the Lord and we shall not be wounded if we fall on a sword and we shall be like mighty men. (NO NOT THE MOUSE).

          JoeL 2:16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.

          Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion AND in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

          I know of no one even looking at these things!

          Now back to Psalm 83 –

          Psalm 83:11 Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:

          Messiah is compared to Gideon who is an interesting character; he represents the War Messiah. This story is documented in Judges 8:

          Judges 8:21 Then Zebah and Zalmunna said, Rise thou, and fall upon us: for as the man is, so is his strength. And Gideon arose, and slew Zebah and Zalmunna, and took away the ornaments that were on their camels’ necks.

          This the Messiah will do as well. Look at Turkey and many Muslim flags, their symbol is what? A crescent moon. Look at every Muslim country and mosque – the crescent is at the highest point.

          If you doubt what I am saying, then look at this verse which will put any doubts at ease; the clue comes from Isaiah:

          Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

          This is the famous “every knee will bow”, yet most Christians never study the rest. Look at two verses after that:

          Isaiah 46:1 BEL boweth down, Nebo stoopeth, their idols were upon the beasts, and upon the cattle: your carriages were heavy loaden; they are a burden to the weary beast.

          What was on the beasts and cattle? Crescent moons. This will bow, and God calls it Bel.

          One of the greatest authors of Islamic history is Arthur Jeffrey. Here are some of his quotes:

          “Allah is a pre-Islamic name corresponding to the Babylonian god known as BEL”.

          Allah is the moon god of Babylonia – Bel. This symbol will bow. In other words all minarets with crescents on top will be taken down – to bow.

          Mystery Babylon is NOT Rome as popularly thought or the Catholic Church, but Islam and Arabia. Do a search on Arabia in the Bible and see for yourself, then do a search on Rome and you will see about 15 hits with not one instance of a punishment.

          Now, Galatians 4 has some interesting verses:

          Gal_4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. HAGAR?

          Gal_4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

          (Gal 4:23) But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.


          Why Arabia? Why does bondage, slavery, submission, and false faith come out of Arabia? Isn’t submission [Islam] the same as bondage?

          Because Paul the author of Galatians was a prophet – he was predicting the bottom line.

          READ GALATIONS 4:23-31!!!!!!!!!!

          Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

          Woman is always allegoric of a faith or a people. Israel is called a woman, we are called the bride, a woman; our faith in Galatians is described as a woman. Yet, they argue that “the woman riding the beast” is the Catholic Church because they honor Mary – a woman.


          Arabia is what was predicted all along and is what causes all the hell we live in. After all, didn’t the Euro fall a bit as a result of Muslims causing havoc in France in early November 2005? Where did Islam come from – the BOND woman – Arabia. Don’t all the kings of the earth sleep in bed with Arabia? Who is the most favorite harlot for President Bush and OBAMA – Arabia or Rome? What wine is the favored wine – the Oil of Arabia or the Pope’s Chalice?

          Now we come to the conclusion of the Psalm:

          Psalm 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

          Look at that verse above carefully. Do you know what Muslims battle cry in every battle, victory, or demonstration is? Does the term “Allah Akbar” ring a bell? What does it mean? It means: “Allah is Greater”. Greater than who? Greater than any God, especially the God of the Jews and the Christians. Allah Akbar means that Allah is the most high – the greatest.

          This is blasphemy!

          So, what is the essence of Psalm 83? It is verse 18, that men may know that only JEHOVAH’S NAME is the most high and NOT Allah.

          Allah Akbar is a great blasphemy:

          Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

          What is in a name?

          Mat_1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

          A name has an interpretation; it is significant – it’s a title and not simply a name. Jesus’ name is not Emmanuel per say, but it’s a message – God is with us!

          What do Muslims deny? They deny that God came to visit earth; they deny the Son and Father and the Holy spirit are all God – ONE GOD:

          1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

          Muslims are vehement in denying the attributes of the God of the Bible. As a matter of fact, the SOLE purpose of Islam is to supposedly restore God’s attribute specifically to deny what Christians say about God – that Jesus is God, or part of the “trinity”. This is the first issue every Muslim will argue over.

          What does this mean?

          The essence of this Psalm is that God will restore to the world His name and His essence, and His attributes where everyone will finally recognize His Name.

          This will be completed at the Day of the Lord. On the 7th day the Lords Day, THE DAY OF THE LORD!!!


          • Great comment, D City. The Lord will reign, amen!

          • DC,check this out ..but only if you want to.
            “The leaders of the Celto-Saxon nations and their media have bought into the lie that today’s Jews are God’s chosen people. These leaders and their media slander and malign anyone who points out that a case of mistaken identity has occurred. Nothing has changed since King David wrote Psalm 83: “[Thine enemies] have taken crafty counsel against thy people … that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.”

          • WHAT DOES EZEKIEL 38 and 39 REALLY SAY?
            A NEW LOOK AT EZEKIEL 38 and 39!
            Part 2 of 4 – Chapter 38

            by Brig. Gen. Jack Mohr, C.P.D.L.
            In Psalm 2:1-3 we read of this time: “Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kinds of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together against the Lord, and against His anointed (Israel) saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.” Here we have an excellent description of what is happening in the world today. The atheistic nations, led by the Zionist internationalists are saying in essence. “we will destroy God and His people, the nations of Christendom, true Israel.” Their rage is not against the tiny country of the Israeli, as our preachers have so boldly told us, but against the white Christian nations of the world, the Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Scandinavian, Germanic and related peoples. Don’t take my word for this, check it out for yourself. See where the Communist missiles are aimed; they were not set up to destroy Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, they were set up to destroy the capitol cities of the Christian nations. Gog (Russia) has not spent billions of dollars in the past 45 years to arm against the tiny nation of the Israeli, but against the white Christian nations who make up true Israel.

            Then look at Psalm 83:2-6, 15, 17, 18 to see why these enemies are: “For, lo, thine (God’s) enemies make a tumult (great confusion); and they that hate thee (God) have lifted their head. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people (Israel, not the Jews) and have consulted against thy hid-den (“tsaphan” meaning “favored” ones). They (Russia and her alliance) have said, Come and let us cut them (Israel) off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. For they (the Russian Confederation) have consulted together with one consent (unanimous approval): they are confederate against thee (God).”

            Notice now who these enemies are: Vs 6 – “The tabernacles of Edom, the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes…” You may say, “How do the Jews fit in here?” Well it’s quite easy to see, if you want to. Go back to John 8:32, where Jesus told the Jewish leaders that if they would listen to His “truth” they could be truly free. Quite boldly and openly the Jewish leaders bragged: Vs 33 – “We be the children of Abraham, and have NEVER been in bondage to any man.”

          • One problem with all that, its all wrong. Secondly none of that explains the miracles around the 6 day war. lol Brother careful where you try to take it from here cause your playing with God and his words.

          • This 6 day war thing is a bunch of crap..where did you get this stuff at? Maybe you should be careful

          • Because if you know about the nations involved in the 6 day war you would know that Psalm 83 mentions them. 🙂 I am very careful when it comes to Gods word.

  • Interesting documented stories around 6 day war:

    Arab nations surrounding Israel vowed to make the blue Mediterranean run red with the blood of Jews.

    “We were thinking in terms that the Israelis are going to be thrown to the water,” Ret. General Eitan Ben-Eliyahu said.

    On the morning of June 5, 1967 Ben-Eliyahu flew one of the first missions against Egyptian air fields in the Sinai.

    “This is a matter of life and death,” he said. ”This is a matter of Israel is going to be destroyed”. This is matter like this is the third chapter of our Independence Day, ’56, and now ’67.”

    “The people were in panic, people were talking about the imminent destruction of the State of Israel, of a war in which there will be an enormous number of casualties; at least 100,000 people will be killed,” Ret. General Shlomo Givas said.

    Rabbis in Jerusalem anticipated so many deaths they actually designated all of the public parks in Jerusalem as cemeteries.


    According to all the military analysts and pundits, it was to be a lopsided match. The Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) consisted of 275,000 troops, compared to the 456,000 soldiers of the combined Iraqi, Syrian, Jordanian, and Egypt armies. Israel was celebrating its Independence Day when the Israeli government received word that Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser was moving heavy artillery into the Sinai Desert. Additionally, large numbers of Egyptian forces were crossing the Suez Canal into the Sinai Desert. The Egyptian government had put its army on alert for an upcoming war. Syria and Jordan, too, moved into a state of alert and announced that they would not sit by idly if Israel attacked Egypt.

    Israel was celebrating its Independence Day, on the next day, the Egyptians instructed the United Nations Emergency Force (UNEF), whose stated role was to serve as a buffer between Israel and Egypt, to leave the Sinai Desert. UNEF complied with this directive. A week later, Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli vessels and any ships that transported military equipment to Israel. Israel considered this move as an act of war.


    Reports of supernatural and angelic interventions on Israel’s behalf came from both the Israelis and the Arabs. The prophet Zechariah had foretold that in the end times, God will defend Israel and send His angels to fight for and with His people. Zechariah 12:8 ”In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the House of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them.”


    A story is told of a small Jewish community, Pekiin under siege by Arabs who were determined to wipe them out. However, they encountered huge strange beings with flaming swords, and they ran away in great fear, as the astonished village rabbi watched them.


    Gershon Salomon joined the IDF, he led a company in the Golan Heights. In 1958, in a battle with the Syrian Army, Mr. Salomon was injured accidently when, in the heat and confusion of battle, he was run over by a tank. Syrian soldiers are trained to shoot ”again” any wounded Israeli soldiers. When they were about to shoot ”again” Mr. Salomon, they all suddenly ran away. Later these Syrians soldiers reported to UN officers that they had seen thousands of angels around this IDF officer and had, therefore, fled. It was at this time that Mr. Salomon heard the voice of G-d speaking to him that He was not yet finished with him. Gershon Salomon understood this as a divine call to consecrate himself to the work of the Temple Mount.


    Colonel Uri Banari tells his eyewitness account of the conquest of Shechem:
    “At the entrance to Shechem stood thousands of Arabs who waved white handkerchiefs and clapped their hands. In our naivete, we returned greetings and smiles. We entered the town and wondered: We are advancing and there is no disorder, no panic, the local armed guards stand by with rifles in their hands keeping order, and the crowds are cheering.”

    “Suddenly something happened which changed the entire picture in a moment. One of our officers wanted to disarm an Arab guard. When the latter refused, our officer fired a shot in the air. At that moment, all the crowds disappeared and streets emptied out. The Arabs began sniper fire.”

    “I didn’t comprehend what had transpired. Only later, did I understand. The residents of Shechem thought that we were the Iraqi forces who were due to arrive from the direction of Jordan. The numerous enemy tanks were situated on the west side of Shechem. They woke up to their error very late.”

    “The Arabs were surprised; the fear of the Jews fell upon them. In Hevron, and in Shechem, in Jenin and in Jericho the Arabs were heavily armed. There was not even one small Arab village without arms. With great haste, the Arabs, however, hid their weapons and didn’t consider using them. They raised their hands up, and flew white flags of surrender from every edifice. The fear of G-d fell upon hundreds of thousands of proud Arabs, who were filled with hatred and loathing for Israel. Only yesterday, they had sworn to fight until their last drop of blood.”


    In the late hours of the night, an IDF truck loaded with arms and shells parked next to a Jerusalem building. Its mission was to bring a fresh supply of ammunition to the front line outposts. The element of danger was great in that were the truck to be hit by enemy fire, the subsequent explosions of all the ammo would bring down all the buildings in the area on their inhabitants. Suddenly the whistling of an approaching enemy shell was heard, and the shell, indeed, scored a direct hit on the vehicle.
    But the Arab shell did not explode. It remained perched atop the pile of Israeli shells in the truck.


    Yisrael, a cab driver who was drafted to fight in the 6-Day War as part of the paratroop unit assigned with conquering the Straits of Tiran, told the following upon his return:

    “The Israeli soldiers didn’t have to parachute out of the Nord airplanes which took them to the Tiran Straits. They landed like spoiled tourists in the airport, because the Egyptian regiment which was on guard there fled before the Israeli trips were visible on the horizon. After landing, I was sent with another reserves soldier, an electrician, to patrol the area. When we had distanced ourselves two kilometers, an Egyptian half track appeared before us filled with soldiers and mounted with machine guns on every side. We had only light weapons with a few bullets that couldn’t stop the half track for a second. We couldn’t turn back, so we stood there in despair, waited for the first shot, and for lack of a better idea, aimed our guns at them.

    But the shots didn’t come.

    The half track came to a halt, and we decided to cautiously approach it. We found 18 armed soldiers inside sitting with guns in hand, with a petrified look on their faces. They looked at us with great fear as though begging for mercy. I shouted ‘Hands up!’ As we were marching them and I had returned to a state of calm, I asked the Egyptian sergeant next to me, ‘Tell me, why didn’t you shoot at us?’ He answered, ‘I don’t know. My arms froze – they became paralyzed. My whole body was paralyzed, and I don’t know why.’
    It turned out that these soldiers didn’t know that the Straits of Tiran were already in Israeli hands; why didn’t they elminiate us? I don’t have an answer. How can one say that G-d didn’t help us.”


    Haaretz Newspaper’s Bottom Line
    Following his blow-by-blow analysis, the military correspondent for the secular Haaretz Newspaper summed up the 6-Day War with the admission: “Even a non-religious person must admit this war was fought with help from heaven.” [ibid, p. 445]

    A German Viewpoint
    A German journalist summarized: “Nothing like this has happened in history. A force including a 1000 tanks, hundreds of artillery cannons, many rockets and fighter jets, and a hundred thousand soldiers armed from head to toe was destroyed in two days in an area covering hundreds of kilometers filled with reinforced outposts and installations. And this victory was carried out by a force that lost many soldiers and much equipment, positions, and vehicles. No military logic or natural cause can explain this monumental occurrence.” [ibid, p. 446.]


    On that night, Greengold found himself on the front lines blocking a Syrian tank column in the Golan Heights – completely alone. The Syrians did not know that his tank was the only one blocking them. Over the radio waves he kept referring to himself as “Force Zvika.” The enemy mistakenly thought him to be a battalion.

    Zvika, found that he was now standing between his people and annihilation, again. Fierce battles raged all night, Israeli reinforcements came but were all quickly taken out by the Syrians. Greengold was wounded but commandered a tank and hours later took out the last Syrian tank. He was awarded the country’s highest honor.


    An Israeli military historian recorded that during the 1973 Yom Kippur war, an Israeli soldier in the Sinai took captive an Egyptian column and led them to where the Israeli troops were. The Egyptian commander was asked why he and his men gave themselves up to the lone Israeli soldier. He responded with surprise; ”One soldier? There were thousands of them.” He said that as they neared the Israeli lines, the ”soldiers” began disappearing. The Israeli soldier reported that he was by himself when the Egyptian commander and his men surrendered to him. He was totally unaware of the ”thousands of soldiers” the Egyptian soldiers saw with him, since he himself did not see them. Psalm 91:10-11 promises that ”No evil shall befall you, nor shall any plague come near your dwelling, For He shall give his angels charge over you, to keep you in all your ways.”


    The documentary shows an eye witness account; Commander David Yinni, during the 1973 Yom Kippur war, preparing to retreat from the Syrian army, when he realised that he and his men were trapped in the middle of a minefield. He ordered his men to clear the mines using their bayonets, crawl on the ground and dig 30 inches deep, carefully disengaging the mines. The slightest mistake and they were in peril of being blown up. One of his men prayed. Suddenly, a windstorm came upon them. It was so strong that it lifted up their tanks and rocked them. By the time the storm moved on, it had literally blown 30 inches of topsoil off. The Israeli soldiers could see every single mine and quickly made their escape.



      • Yes, I would also wonder about that myself. Why do you people believe that? JVI, Hal Lindsey, and all the others, why do they teach such things when it’s talking about the battle of Armageddon? Now, as far as Debra’s dream, I can not argue with some of that about Egypt. Some of Egypt’s prophesies have been fulfilled. Obadiah war, I have never heard of, but Psalms 83 war, that in itself is the gathering of the nations against Israel, none other than the battle of Armageddon. Back to Debra, the Egyptian war is just before the tribulation, as you anticipate, that is if you believe in the 3 1/2 year trib period. This war is described in Daniel 11. It will be between the antichrist( king of the north) and Egypt( king of the south). Isaiah 17 describes this same act. This Egyptian war will take place in the first 3 1/2 years of the antichrist coming to power and will be a big part of his growing success. This is the first 3 1/2 years of the 7 years of indignation.

        • Psalms 83 war is described in the short book of Zephaniah . The Palestine kingdom, the Canaanites(Philistines) will be the center point of all the action going on. This is also part of the ten horns of the beast. The gathering of the nations is described again in Zechariah chap. 12 and 14, Zech. 14:16-21, describes the time after the battle of Armageddon of all the nations that come against Jerusalem. Egypt is described as one of these. The Canaanites will be no more in the house of the Lord, Zech. 14:21. For one thing, the Canaanites will be wiped out, because the land will all be given to the nation of Israel.

    • DC,you might as well go over to israhell and get on your knees and kiss some butt,because that is what you are doing here.These are probably more jewish fables.


    • So it’s the Christians that like chopping heads off then, LOL, you been listening to much to Rev. 2:9, Steve. You make about as much sense with that, as he did.

  • Ron: what’s happening in Egypt now is in Isaiah 19: 1-2

    • No, these are prophesied in wars and rumors of wars. Matt. 24:6-8. These are the beginning of sorrows. Matt. 9 will be the next on the list.

  • Ron: Basically we can argue our points of view until the cows come one?

    But time will reveal the truth!

    Julian Assange (Wikileaks) and Edward Snowden are NWO con-men!

  • REV.2:9 I told Ron that the events in Isaiah 19: 1-2 are about Egypt, he said it about Matthew 24:9?

  • Rev.2:9-Each time DC or/and Ron can’t argue with you, they come up with silly jokes, Ha Ha ha ha! or LoL,Lol, Lol!

  • DC: Everytime you preach the scripture in your belief of Post-Tribulation, your not careful what you say, as you always state Pre-Tribulation is completely wrong!

    • It is , its not mentioned anywhere in scripture not one verse says anything about before. Yet I can show you directly several verses that say at the last, day of the Lord , immediately after. Not one verse in scripture supports a pre tribulation rapture. Its just not there.

  • DC: But we Pre-tribbers believe by faith than your testimony that the Rapture will occur before the Tribulation, as I hear more people believe this way than your way, so I guess we will find out soon, who is right, but I base my faith in Pre-tribulation!

    • Faith is abiding in Christs doctrine. Faith worketh by love. If you love him you will keep his words, sayings ect ect.

    • There is no but by the way. You either do or you don’t. Scripture does not support a pre trib rapture

    • Yes the Hale- bop comet followers had lots of faith too, but no Bible. Faith is not faith if it’s not true faith. We have faith in Jesus because we have Bible to believe in Him. And lots of it. We have faith that He will bring us through tribulation , because we have lots of Bible for it. Joseph was cast into the pit and sold by his brothers, but he trusted God. Then he went to prison for something he didn’t do, but he trusted God to get him through. Then he had famine and he trusted God for that, too. So many, many more all through out the Bible, David
      Jesus, the Prime Example
      And many more in both testaments.

  • DC: Please why did you post any comments on this web site, as you knew the 1st time, by reading NTEB blog that it was maintaining a belief of NTEB of Pre-Tribulation.

    Or did you just wanted to cause confusion?

    • Jesus said:
      Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
      Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
      Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
      If you can’t trust the Son of God, who can you trust? I sure won’t trust the other guy!

    • No, we just want to clear up all the confusion.

  • I can’t find anything in the Bible. We might have to go to Mark to find out.


  • What the matter buddy, don’t you like fairy tales?

  • You mean if they believe in fairy tales they might be damned and lose their soul!!!!!

    • Lets see what scripture says shall we:

      1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

      1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

      1Jn 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

      1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

      Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
      Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
      Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
      Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
      Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

      Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

      Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
      Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

      Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
      Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
      Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

      Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
      Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
      Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
      Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

      Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

      Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

      Mat 16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

      Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
      Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
      Act 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

      Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
      Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

      2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
      2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
      2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

      1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

      Tit 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
      Tit 1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.
      Tit 1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
      Tit 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
      Tit 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
      Tit 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

      Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
      Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
      Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
      Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

      2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
      2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
      2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

      Php 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
      Php 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
      Php 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

      Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

      <b.Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

      2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
      2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

      2Pe 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

      Amo 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

      1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
      1Ti 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
      1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

  • Fundamental truths of the gospel of God.

  • Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

    Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

    Act 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of THREE YEARS I CEASED NOT TO WARN EVERYONE NIGHT AND DAY WITH TEARS.

  • DC: As you state, scripture does not support a Pre-Tribulation.

    But we believe 1st Thess 4: 14-18; 1st Cor. 15:51-53; Romans 5:9; 1st Thess. 5: 9-10; 1st Thess. 1:10; Rev. 3: 10.

    We believe in our strong faith that the Wrath of God, is the complete Tribulation, and you can preach all the words you want to us, but we will never believe we will enter this horrible period called the Tribulation or Jacob’s Troubles.

  • Ron: as you said you can not trust the other guy! As we too trust and believe in Jesus Christ, and by our faith in Jesus Christ, we will not enter Jacob’s Troubles or the 7 year Tribulatioin. And as you said, we can not trust the other guy, and we do not trust your words or DC.

    • neither will you trust in Jesus’ words, Because that is what we keep telling you.

      Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
      Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
      Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

      You know STL, He was very plain when He said it. It’s not that hard to understand, it’s just a little hard to accept it.

  • Again everyone before in scripture was saved through not before, and again you have not one scripture that says before, prior to, early. But we have scripture after scripture that say at the end, immediately after and the list goes on.

    We are told over and over to endure through. Everyone in the bible was saved through and not prior too. All the narcotics in the world can not change the truth.

  • Ron: your working for the great deciever, Satan, you continue to spread your confusion to decieve others, one day at Judgement Day you will pay for your lies!

    • I can hardly wait, Then His truth will be revealed.

  • Ron: Your not clearing up confusion, your designing more confusion, so your saying all the staff on NTEB web blog are basically liars?

    • Steve do you have scriptures for this or are you just ranting and raving over mans words. Stick to scriptures steve

      • DC: Please stop avoiding proving the staff at NTEB that they are clearly wrong! Are you scared to prove them wrong, why do not you say out right NTEB believes in Fairy Tales and the Blog are total lies?

  • Lets look at the famous rapture verses shall we! I absolutely love the subject so yes lets look at what Gods word says. 🙂

    1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

    1 Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    1 Thess 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

    1 Thess 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

    1 Thess 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

    1 Thess 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.


    Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

    Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

    Isaiah 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

    Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

    Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind

    Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

    Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

    Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


    Matthew 24:30 ……..and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven…………..


    Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels

    1 Thess 4:16 …with the voice of the archangel……….


    Matthew 24:31………with a great sound of a trumpet…………..

    1Thess 4:16……………with the trump of God………..



    The intesting thing is this. This proves that the rapture occurs at the day of the Lord according to Paul. The prophets old and new testament and Jesus describe the signs around this “Day Of The Lord”. JESUS DEFINES THE DAY OF THE LORD TIMELINE SPECIFICALLY AS AFTER THE TRIBULATION This not only proves the post tribulation rapture is true according to scripture beyond any and all doubts. It proves the pre tribulation to be false teaching and it also proves that the belief and teaching of the early church was that of a POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE / RESSURECTION EVENT. One second coming of Jesus Christ and the rapture and ressurection are tied together according to Paul in 1 Thess 4:16-17. Jesus defined the signs associated with the “THE DAY OF THE LORD” as after the tribulation. Jesus again defined when people were going to be ressurected in John 6. FOUR TIMES Jesus said in John 6 “raise em up at THE LAST DAY”. (Found in John 6:39, 6:40, 6:44, 6:54, Martha in John 11:24 also stated “ressurection at the last day” LOOKS LIKE MARTHA WAS PAYING ATTENTION!! ARE YOU?

    This proves that the belief and teaching of the early church was that of a POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE/RESSURECTION AT THE LAST TRUMP, AFTER THE TRIBULATION, AT THE LAST DAY. AT THE DAY OF THE LORD (which is stricly a post tribulation event)!!!!!!

    So Paul taught a post tribulation rapture, Peter taught post tribulation rapture, Jesus taugth a post tribulation rapture, Martha, John, Matthew, Mark……………………. and the list goes on. Joel and Isaiah.

    Beyond any doubt I have just proved post tribulation rapture and also proved that this is what the early church also taught.

    Yes Peter taught this as well:

    2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
    2 Peter 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

    2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God

    Peters rhetorical question to the early churhc was:

    Knowing then that this particular “DAY OF THE LORD” that you so earnestly look for as a church. Will come with such immense intensity how then should you be conducting yourselves as a church?

    This proves that the pre tribulation rapture theory directly conflicts with the views held by the Apostles and the early church!!!


    2 Thess 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

    Its 100% clear that infant church led first by Apostles traditionally held to a post tribulation rapture/ressurection gathering of the church.



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