WAITING FOR THE MARK: Digital Implants Are Becoming Big Business As Biohacker Groups Grow

In fact, Shank has several chips in his hand, including a near field communication (NFC) chip like the ones used in Apple Pay and similar systems, which stores a virtual business card with contact information for TwinCities+. "For people with Android phones, I can just tap their phone with my hand, right over the chip, and it will send that information to their phone," he says. In the past, he’s also used a chip to store a bitcoin wallet.

Tim Shank can guarantee he’ll never leave home without his keys. Why? His house keys are located inside his body.

“And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.” Revelation 13:16,17 (KJV)

EDITOR’S NOTE: When NTEB started in 2009, a story like this would set the Internet on fire, and people would post passionate warnings against taking the Mark of the Beast when it arrived. But Christians have grown cold, become complacent, and a story like this won’t even won’t even get a mild viral buzz. It won’t be the Mark of the Beast until Antichrist shows up, but by that point, his Mark will just be the latest in a long line of implants that people will have become accustomed to receiving. 

Tim Shank, the president of the Minneapolis futurist group TwinCities+, has a microchip installed in his hand that can communicate electronically with his front door and tell it to unlock itself. His wife has one, too.

“You have mental checklists as you’re coming and going out of your home,” Shank says. “One of those things is my wallet, keys, all those things I have with me. Once you start to eliminate all those things, you start to see all the mind space it actually clears not to have to worry about them.”

Experimenting with Biochip Implants:

This video shows the amazing progress being made by the biohacking community in merging the human body with digital microchips. The age of the cyborg has arrived, with no end in sight for how far it will and can go. 

In fact, Shank has several chips in his hand, including a near field communication (NFC) chip like the ones used in Apple Pay and similar systems, which stores a virtual business card with contact information for TwinCities+. “For people with Android phones, I can just tap their phone with my hand, right over the chip, and it will send that information to their phone,” he says. In the past, he’s also used a chip to store a bitcoin wallet.

Shank is one of a growing number of “biohackers” who implant hardware ranging from microchips to magnets inside their bodies.

Some biohackers use their implants in experimental art projects. Others who have disabilities or medical conditions use them to improve their quality of life, while still others use the chips to extend the limits of human perception. Shank, for instance, has experimented with a portable distance sensor that vibrates a magnet in his hand; it’s like a sonar system that lets him sense how far away obstacles are. He also considered installing a chip that would track his body temperature. But not every use case is so ambitious—for some, the chips are merely convenient ways to store data and unlock doors.

Experts sometimes caution that the long-term health risks of the practice are still unknown. But many biohackers claim that, if done right, implants can be no more dangerous than getting a piercing or tattoo. In fact, professional body piercers are frequently the ones tasked with installing these implants, given that they possess the training and sterilization equipment necessary to break people’s skin safely.

“When you talk about things like risk, things like putting it in your body, the reality is the risk of having one of these installed is extremely low—it’s even lower than an ear piercing,” says Amal Graafstra, the founder of Dangerous Things, a biohacking supply company.

Graafstra, who is also the author of the book RFID Toys, says he first had an RFID chip installed in his hand in 2005, which allowed him to unlock doors without a key. When the maker movement took off a few years later, and as more hackers began to explore what they could put inside their bodies, he founded Dangerous Things with the aim of ensuring these procedures were done safely.

“I decided maybe it’s time to wrap a business model around this and make sure that the things people are trying to put in their bodies are safe,” he says. The company works with a network of trained body piercers and offers online manuals and videos for piercers looking to get up to speed on the biohacking movement.

At present, these chips are capable of verifying users’ identities and opening doors. And according to Graafstra, a next-generation chip will have enough on-board cryptographic power to potentially work with credit card terminals securely.

“The technology is there—we can definitely talk to payment terminals with it—but we don’t have the agreements in place with banks [and companies like] MasterCard to make that happen,” he says.

Paying for goods with an implantable chip might sound unusual for consumers and risky for banks, but Graafstra thinks the practice will one day become commonplace. He points to a survey released by Visa last year that found that 25% of Australians are “at least slightly interested” in paying for purchases through a chip implanted in their bodies.

“It’s on the minds of people,” he says. “It just needs to be brought to fruition.”

Other implantable technology has more of an aesthetic focus: Pittsburgh biohacking company Grindhouse Wetware offers a below-the-skin, star-shaped array of LED lights called Northstar. While the product was inspired by the on-board lamps of a device called Circadia that Grindhouse founder Tim Cannon implanted to send his body temperature to a smartphone, the commercially available Northstar features only the lights and is designed to resemble natural bioluminescence.

“This particular device is mainly aesthetic,” says Grindhouse spokesman Ryan O’Shea. “It can backlight tattoos or be used in any kind of interpretive dance, or artists can use it in various ways.”

The lights activate in the presence of a magnetic field—one that is often provided by magnets already implanted in the same user’s fingertips. Which brings up another increasingly common piece of bio-hardware: magnetic finger implants. Hackers say these small magnets allow users to sense the presence of electromagnetic fields, to diagnose electrical problems like faulty wiring, and even to pull small metal objects like paper clips and bottle caps toward you, making you into something of a low-rent Magneto. Despite the power of these implants, they’re fortunately not strong enough to trip metal detectors, wipe hard drives, or interfere with MRI scans.

“Most Northstar clients already have the magnets,” says Zack Watson, a piercer who installs implants for Grindhouse. “The magnets are kind of like a baby step into the heavy mod community. It’s not so much visible as it is modifying the body to get that magnetic vision, and then the byproduct is that you’re able to activate the implant.”

According to O’Shea, a second-generation Northstar will include a Bluetooth transmitter and gesture-recognition sensors, which will let it communicate with a smartphone to control Internet of Things-type technology. That’s not the only reason many early adopters may eventually choose to upgrade their implants. Another has to do with the limited battery life.

“The device will die, much like a pacemaker will die,” he says. “When a pacemaker does die, it is removed in a procedure and is completely replaced with a new unit. That is similar to what will happen with Northstar.”

Luckily for users, the Northstar can be inserted or replaced in about 15 minutes by a skilled piercer, says O’Shea.

“It’s just a small incision, usually in the side of the hand,” he adds. “The skin is separated from the hand there, and the device is just inserted, and the skin is stitched up.”

As long as they’re inserted properly, the implants leave minimal scarring, says Watson. He has magnets in his hand that let him do “little parlor tricks” and pick up needles while he works. “My kids are convinced I have a magic finger,” he says. Meanwhile, an RFID chip in his hand lets him unlock his phone and automatically load his Instagram portfolio for potential customers to see.

“My phone has a reader in it, and you’re able to use that reader to scan my hand,” Watson says. “It’s a cool way to show off your work.” source

ADDENDUM: The Bible clearly teaches that the Church of Jesus Christ will be REMOVED from this earth in the Rapture just before the start of the time of Jacob’s trouble. The Bible is equally clear that for those living during the Great Tribulation, that God offers NO forgiveness for anyone who takes the Mark of the Beast.

“And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.” Revelation 20:4 (KJV)

NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he has a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.

  • DeniseC

    Why doesn’t the body reject these foreign objects or have scar tissue grow over it? This is just horrible and lots of people will want it for convenience. So you can’t find your keys. Big deal. But in the era of having the right to not be offended, I guess ppl want the right not to be absent-minded. The only tracking device I’m concerned with is the one Jesus has on my soul. When He comes, He’ll have no trouble finding me! 🙂

    • Jesus removes the Church in the Rapture before the time of Jacob’s trouble because He knows a lot of Christians would absolutely take the Mark of the Beast.

      • connor61

        “Jesus removes the Church in the Rapture before the time of Jacob’s trouble because He knows a lot of Christians would absolutely take the Mark of the Beast. ” What?? Because theyre afraid to die? That is showing absolute weakness. Christains should never be afraid of dying especially over the mark of the beast.

      • hmmm…I thought He comes for His Bride because the children of God are not children of wrath and who have pledged allegiance to Christ and He alone and also comes for the Bride before the time of jacob’s trouble in which the time of dealing with the church is over and time for the Israelites to have their eyes opened and be dealt with. I think if you are a child of God the mark or allegiance to anyone other than Christ is revolting, the very thought of even having an implant to even unlock doors or to show you are who you say you are, being tagged, even though it’s not the mark which requires a willful pledging allegiance to the beast is desensitizing ppl to accept the real thing as nothing, they will accept it because of deception that has already begun, they are rejecting the truth and being turned over to a lie and because they do not belong to Christ but are children of the devil but I don’t believe the church’s rapture has anything to do with Christ knowing that if He doesn’t take the Bride home some will accept the mark for you make the choice to die daily when walking with Christ, imo. Those that would pledge allegiance to the beast don’t know Christ personally and being afraid of dying or other things is the opposite of faith in which I know myself I have to overcome daily, fears and worries that say to God, “I don’t trust you.” I overcome with the truth of scripture and by building faith upon faith where I recall how God has kept every promise to me in the past which increases my faith for today and requires me to reject the lies of satan about God’s provisions for me daily, spiritual, mentally and physically. We walk by faith not by sight and fear cannot remain or reign in the child of God, we have to kick it out by using the scripture that speak truth into us and reaffirm our daily commitment to trust in Christ for all things. Judgement begins at the house of God and we are being purified even now in our daily walk with Christ. He is preparing us, working in us whatever is expedient.

        • I find the assessment of those who place implants into their bodies claim that it’s safe but we know when those who take the mark of the beast that sores break out on them, painful boils. I believe the mark of the beast, changes dna within a person and they become part of the computer system linked biometrically and is one reason they cannot be redeemed, they become like the Nephilim before the flood who were the spawn of the devil. We know God abhors it so much that an angel is preaching in the heavens as spoken in Revelation 14:9-11 vs9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Such a great and final warning not to take it and I believe it has more to do with just pledging allegiance even though that is part of it but we have those who right now today have pledged their allegiance to satan and some that have done so God has redeemed when the Holy Spirit showed them the truth and they repented of past works and have accepted Christ so something obviously changes in the hearts, souls and bodies of those who take this mark.

          • Leonard

            Howdy, Grace! I have personally seen dogs that had received microchips (per regulations in my city) that developed large, hideous tumors which the dogs owners’ believed was due to the insertion of the chip. I don’t personally know of any science that backs up their assertion, but I find it curious that this affliction fell upon the dogs, and WILL fall upon those who accept the Antichrist’s mark.

          • Emery

            If you are “part of the world”, i.e. voting, politics, immorality, immoral entertainment, violent entertainment, military or government service, desires of the world, you’ve ALREADY accepted the mark of the beast. It’s NOT a physical mark. It’s ACCEPTANCE of the world as currently ruled by Satan.

        • We are purified by His Righteousness and Character. As we grow and become more In Christ by virtue of Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross. We die daily to The Sin Nature because we died with Jesus, were buried with Him, raised with Him as a new creation, ascended within Him and now seated in Heavenly Places in Him. We come on God’s Terms not ours.

      • Leonard

        Howdy, Geoffrey! Have an off-topic question. I have joined and eventually left two churches during my six decades (plus) on this nasty little planet. I left them because I saw that they were not biblical in some, if not most of their teachings–in fact I credit you with helping me to see the error of SDA, my most recent church affiliation. How does one select a church without spending years learning their teachings in order to determine whether or not they’re truly biblical? Is it even required of Christians to join a church or attend church services under the new covenant?

      • TWR


        The mark of the beast is not a physical mark. It is symbolic for those who have rejected God’s commandments and have accepted the beast system of worship. Deuteronomy 11:18 says bind his laws upon your hands (works) and as a frontlet between your eyes (mind, free will). There is no one who will be forced to accept a mark. Those who would have it already have it. If it is appointed unto men to die once, how does this jibe with the rapture doctrine? If we must first take off that which is corruptible in order to meet him in the air (spirit), how does that balance?

      • Sorry, but the pre-tribulation rapture is NOT scriptural. Tell that to the Christians in the Middle East being beheaded, crucified when they are asked to deny Jesus Christ. I pray that I have such faith when tribulation comes. Jesus says he who endures to the end shall be saved. The tribulation is only 3 1/2 years or 42 months. NO Where does it say in the Bible that the tribulation is 7 years. We are living in an ungodly nation which is evident everyday. Born in a country with so many blessings and we have become Babylon. You really think we are going to be “RESCUED” before tribulation comes. Pre-tribulation rapture is a false teaching. And was not taught until the mid 1800s. And, is going to be the main reason why so many “fall away.” We have to prepare people for what is going to come and it is coming quickly. People will Not prepare because they think they are NOT going to go through anything. If that is the case, Jesus should have clarified and said, only Christians and America will escape tribulation. But, we know he is no respecter of persons. The Rapture should NEVER cause division, but it is a false teaching that is going to leave many a christian lost. All you have to do is look at the condition of the world and that is the condition of the church. Jesus is coming for a church that is blameless without spot. Certainly cannot say that when 70% of pastors are addicted to porn, compromising their faith for money, etc. And, more importantly, Where are the Ezekiel 33 watchman?

        • Leigh

          Dear Gigi, using the argument that the Christians in the middle east are dying for their faith is an absolute moot point. Then we can use the analogy that because some Christians die in car accidents or have strokes, the rest of the body of Christ can expect those things to happen to them because its happening to thousands of Christians around the world! Yes its tragic and sad what is happening to the Christians in the middle east but their fate is not reserved for every single believer in the Body of Christ. Do you see what a completely illogical argument that is?

          You will not convince anyone on here that post-trib is biblical and pre-trib is not. There are MANY, MANY scriptures that prove otherwise. Study the catching away of the Body of Christ before the Time of Jacobs trouble and you will be utterly convinced. This site is a good place to start as is Rapture Ready.

          One last thing, the old, tired story that the pre-trib rapture was only taught from the 1800’s is also, a completely over used excuse that post tribbers like to use thinking that’s going to win their argument and its simply not true and has been proven many times. I really encourage you to look for that blessed hope because you are missing out on so much Gigi!

      • JJ

        Oh Geofrey, there is no pre trip rapture. This is a false teaching implemented in the 1800’s the Bible never taught a Pretrib rapture. Most teachers say ifJesus doesn’t come back 7 years before than its the blasted hope. This is a scary deception, because when the church finds herself facing the anti CHRIST, she will be so caught off guard and unprepared that the great falling away will happen because of this deception. These warnings are for the church not the Jews. Go to http://www.leftbehindorledastray.com. http://Www.nopretrib.com

        Matthew 24:29-36New American Standard Bible (NASB)

        The Glorious Return
        29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from [a]the sky, and the powers of [b]the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His [c]elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

        2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
        1Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter presuming to be from us and alleging that the day of the Lord has already come. 3Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness (the son of destruction) is revealed.…

        revelation 7:14. ( Christians have made their garments clean by the blood of the lamb, not Jews.) the remnant of the Jews will be saved 144,000 and will look on JESUS whom they pierced Zechariah 12.

        13Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?” 14“Sir, I answered, “you know.” So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15For this reason, ‘They are before the throne of God and serve Him day and night in His temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them.…

      • Quaken

        We do tell the abortionists that a person was known from the womb.

        imhblo, predestination and foreordainment imply that our choices have already been made for us.

        John 3:18 says that a person can be condemned, already.

        So, I assume it would be obvious, at the moment of consequence. It just seals the deal.

    • Lee Rice

      DeniseC….I totally agree with you. My fear is my children who are so into the computer age big time even for their business and the companies they own. I have warned them not to take the chip. They may do it anyway and not let me know. I pray not. They think I am going overboard on the chip thing. What is to say our own children taking the chip could maybe turn against us? Only guarantee of that not happening is if they are Born Again Christians, waiting for the Lord as I am. I am not being paranoid. Look at Germany. Children turned in their own parents. Pray with your children. Don’t have a day go by without praying for them. Don’t be shy about sharing with them thinking they may not want to even hear from you because they think you are a fanatic. Think? I am….Out of my three children, TWO I KNOW would never take the chip.

    • Jayna

      Amen to that DeniseC!

    • Leigh

      Amen sis, I like your comment!

  • Jim Black

    Hello brother Geoff,

    How can Jesus remove the church BEFORE the tribulation?


    “Whom heaven must receive until the restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.” (Acts 3:21)

    Jesus was taken up to heaven (Acts 1:10) and will not come again until “the restoration of all things.” How can He come down from heaven to the lower atmosphere to meet His bride in the air BEFORE the tribulation, unless that is when all things will be restored? Obviously, the world at that point will be anything but restored.


    “And again, from the first Lord’s day count forty days, from the Lord’s day till the fifth day of the week, and celebrate the feast of the ascension of the Lord, where-on He finished all His dispensation and constitution, and returned to that God and Father that sent Him, and sat down at the right hand of power, and remains there until His enemies are put under His feet.” (Constitutions of the Holy Apostles, Book V, Sect. 3, xix)

    “For He must remain until His enemies are under His feet.” (1 Cor. 15:25)

    “The Lord said to My Lord, sit at My right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.” (Ps. 110:1, Matt. 22:44)

    If Jesus must remain in heaven until all His enemies are put under his feet, how could He come for His bride BEFORE the tribulation?

    • Honestly, I grow weary in answering your never-ending attacks on the BIble doctrine of the Pretribulation Rapture. For starters, your ENTIRE argument is based on a VERY flawed premise. Because you don’t rightly divide, you see no difference between the Church and Israel, between the Rapture of the Church and the Second Coming. Now, in your latest attack, you see a few verses that you interpret that “Jesus cannot leave Heaven” until the Second Coming, right? WRONG. Jesus DID leave Heaven in Acts 9 to PERSONALLY appear to the Apostle Paul, knock him off his horse, and then hang around 3 and a half years to teach him the Bible. Jesus did NOT “remain in Heaven” after Acts 3, and He will have no problem coming for His Church to rapture us out before the start of the time of Jacob’s trouble.

      And you use extra-biblical books, like the Roman Catholic Didache, to bolster your false argument. This is a site for Bible believers, and books OUTSIDE the Bible are never taken into consideration when discussing Bible doctrine.

      If that’s the best you got, you need to do a little more study.

      “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)

      • Jim Black

        Very good observation, brother Geoff. So if Jesus left heaven one or two times before the restoration, then I guess scripture contradicts itself. What do you think?

        On the other hand, in Acts 18:9, the Lord spoke to Paul in a vision. In Acts 22:6 a bright light flashed around Paul and a voice said, Saul, Saul! Why do you persecute Me?” The Lord can speak without being physically seen or present. Then in Acts 22:17, Paul fell into a trance and “saw the Lord speaking, telling him to leave Jerusalem.”

        On another hand, it probably isn’t contradictory to say that Jesus couldn’t appear on earth occasionally and yet considered to be in heaven 99.9% of the time before the restoration.

        If you can show me that the Constitutions of the Holy Apostles or the Didache were written or influenced by ROMAN CATHOLICS, I will make a $100.00 donation to NTEB. If you can’t then humble yourself and admit that these writings of the Apostles are consistent with Matt. 24:30,31.

        Will you at least agree that Didache 16:8, EVEN ASSUMING THEY WERE RECORDED BY ROMAN CATHOLICS, says the resurrection will happen AFTER the outspreading of heaven and sound of the trumpet? And will you also agree that the Constitutions of the Holy Apostles, EVEN ASSUMING RECORDED BY ROMAN CATHOLICS, that the resurrection/translation occurs AFTER the “sign of the Son of Man? (Matt. 24:30)

        If you will not agree, please explain why.

        Lord bless.

        • Lee Rice

          And Jim Black,,,, also, the TRUMP or TRUMPS and the number of the TRUMPS is also to be understood. Gather, go forward into war, or warning. I believe that is the different TRUMPS….used by GOD or the Israelis to send messages to the people Correct me if I am wrong, PLEASE.

          • Jim Black

            ??????????????????? Huh?

        • #1). SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CONTRADICT ITSELF: “Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.” Acts 3:21 (KJV). You made an assumption based on a wrong interpretation. Those verses didn’t say that Jesus was CONFINED to Heaven until the Second Coming, that was YOUR insertion. Jesus, as the Author of the Bible, is not bound to any dispensation and is free to come and go as He pleases. Jesus did not appear to Paul “in a vision” as some floating ghost, He appeared to Him in His risen glory, hence the blindness. Further, Jesus then spent the next 3 years personally teaching Paul the Bible and revealing the mysteries to him. It does not take a scholar to see this, but you do have to be able to believe what you read, where you read it.

          Now, if you really wanna play “word games” and parse the Bible, I can do that as well. If your contention is that Jesus appeared to Paul “in a vision” and not actually in person, fine. Then that’s exactly how He will rapture us up and out of here as well, then. If He can appear to Paul, hold conversations and knock him off his horse as a “vision”, then as a “vision” he is also able to rapture us away. Either way, your argument collapses.

          #2). THE CATHOLIC TEACHINGS OF THE DIDACHE: When you read this non-Biblical book, it becomes apparent quite quickly that it was written by the pagan Roman Church. Instead of teaching about the Biblical teaching of baptism by immersion, the Didache advocates the Roman Catholic method of sprinkling. “And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm. But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit.” You will also note that the Didache says “in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit”. That, too, is not found in the Bible but in the teachings of the Roman church while “crossing yourself”. Nearly all Catholic groups take credit for the Didache, and they all say it displays true Catholic teachings. http://blog.adw.org/2010/07/ancient-witnesses-to-the-catholic-faith-the-didache/

          The Didache is believed to have been written between the first and second centuries. Patristic (Catholic) scholars are confident that this work is one of the earliest Christian tomes of the Catholic Faith. Later studies have shown that The Didache has been referenced in other known documents, such as the Apostolic Constitutions, a work dated to the fourth century. The Didache contains 16 chapters, which can be divided into four topical sections: moral catechesis (1-6), liturgical instruction (7-10), disciplinary regulations (11-15), and the doctrine of the Second Coming (16). This work has been utilized by the Magisterium; The Didache is cited in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (Nos. 1331, 1403, 1696, 2271, 2760 and 2767). It is hoped that the following brief excerpts from The Didache will encourage further study and reflection. http://catholicherald.com/stories/Church-History-The-Didache,3817?sub_id=3817

          And NO, I will not “agree with you” on anything contained in the Didache or any other, non-Biblical, un-Biblical writing. They are nothing more than the work of men, who were not inspired by the Holy Ghost, writing their OPINIONS on what the Bible says.

          You can send me the $100 by using our info@mudflowermedia.com email address via our PayPal account. I will put the money towards buying more gospel tracts, thank you in advance for your donation.

          • Jim Black

            Well now wait a minute brother Geoff. You are the one who said Jesus left heaven to encounter Paul. Isn’t that a contradiction if Jesus is not supposed to leave heaven until the restoration?

            You still have not provided a shred of evidence that the Didache is a Roman Catholic document. Just because Roman catholics may use it doesn’t mean they created it. Just about every website I have checked agree the Constitutions and Didache are genuine documents. Like yourself, there will always be doubters.

            Referring to their doctrine as being “Roman catholic” does not mean the Roman Catholic Church. Catholic simply means “universal,” as in the universal church of Jesus Christ.


            ” On whose account also we, who are now assembled in one place—Peter and Andrew; James and John, sons of Zebedee; Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew; James the son of Alphæus, and Lebbæus who is surnamed Thaddæus; and Simon the Canaanite, Matthew 10:2 and Matthias, who instead of Judas was numbered with us; and James the brother of the Lord and bishop of Jerusalem, and Paul the teacher of the Gentiles, the chosen vessel, having all met together, have written to you this Catholic doctrine for the confirmation of you, to whom the oversight of the universal Church is committed.” (Constitutions, Book VI, Sect. 3, xiv) ” On whose account also we, who are now assembled in one place—Peter and Andrew; James and John, sons of Zebedee; Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew; James the son of Alphæus, and Lebbæus who is surnamed Thaddæus; and Simon the Canaanite, Matthew 10:2 and Matthias, who instead of Judas was numbered with us; and James the brother of the Lord and bishop of Jerusalem, and Paul the teacher of the Gentiles, the chosen vessel, having all met together, have written to you this Catholic (UNIVERSAL) doctrine for the confirmation of you, to whom the oversight of the universal Church is committed.” (Constitutions, Book VI, Sect. 3, xiv)

            So I guess you will still say that Roman catholics wrote this.

            Sorry, no donation. You proved nothing. You won’t agree that Didache 16:8 or Constitutions Book 7, Sect. 2, xxxii agree with Matt. 24:30,31 even with them staring you in the face. You are one stubborn dude brother Geoff:)

          • Since you have proven yourself to be an intellectually dishonest person, I see no further need of answering any of your comments and emails.

          • Jim Black

            Brother Geoff, you stated….

            #1). SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CONTRADICT ITSELF: “Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.” Acts 3:21 (KJV). You made an assumption based on a wrong interpretation. Those verses didn’t say that Jesus was CONFINED to Heaven until the Second Coming, that was YOUR insertion.

            “Must receive” does not necessarily mean Jesus would leave heaven if He wanted to. The Lord said to Jesus “sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.” (Matt. 22:44) That Jesus appeared in physical, visible, tangible form is very doubtful as none of the others with Paul saw Jesus. They only heard the voice of Him speaking (Acts 9:7). In John 5:28 Jesus says the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and rise from the grave. It’s not likely that Jesus will be standing on earth when this happens.

            I didn’t say that Jesus appeared to Paul in a vision on the way to Damascus. I cited other verses about that. Also,it does not say the light that flashed around Paul was Christ in “His risen glory.” It says a “light from heaven flashed around Him.” Also, it doesn’t say that Paul fell off a horse.

            You never answered my question: Can a person be saved and grow in Christ by reading other Bibles besides the KJV?

          • Emery

            Seems odd to have to PAY for tracts, when I have placed tens of thousands, at NO COST. Countless Bibles, books, videos, magazines, brochures and booklets, all at NO COST. To whom do you pay for these?

        • Heather

          Jim Black,

          Acts 9:17(KJV)

          17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

          Acts 9:27

          27 But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.

          • Jim Black

            Thank you Heather,

            It is clear that Jesus was seen in these verses. Thanks for clearing that up. How this squares with the verse that says Jesus is in heaven until the restoration, remains to be seen.

      • Lee Rice

        Geoffrey, I know what you are saying. This week, I watched a 7th Day Adventist program when 4 men debate the Bible. I could not believe what I was hearing. I have great respect for the 7th Day church. But they said, before we are raptured, the evil people of the world will be removed FIRST. It really threw me. Have you heard this teaching? Or anyone on this site that can tell me what this is all abouty?

        • Emery

          The SDA is like any other religion, relying on the words of MEN and not on the words of GOD. Men decide what God said, when God said every word of scripture stands on it’s own, and that we are NOT to interpret one word of it, ever. The program you watched is men interpreting (guessing) the meaning of scriptures. There exist absolutely NO contradictions in God’s word. There only exist mistranslations and misunderstandings.

          • Leonard

            Emery, tracts are printed on paper. Paper and ink cost money. Somebody has to pay for this, or the printer would go out of business. Maybe Satan pays for JW tracts, and that’s why the concept of paying for them is so foreign to “witnesses”…

        • It’s interesting to me that all the modern day cults – SDA, JW’s, Mormons, etc – were all started within 40-50 years of each other in the 1800’s . And all the founders knew each other either directly or indirectly. Talk about a massive conspiracy!

          • Emery

            Now you lyingly claim that God started a cult. Isaiah 43:10 “You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah,
            “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen,
            So that you may know and have faith in me
            And understand that I am the same One.
            Before me no God was formed,
            And after me there has been none.
            11 I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.”
            12 “I am the One who declared and saved and made known
            When there was no foreign god among you.
            So you are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “and I am God.

            And that Jesus was a cult leader: Revelation 17:6 And I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.

            Hebrews 12:12 So, then, because we have such a great cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also throw off every weight and the sin that easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,

            2 Timothy 2 You, therefore, my child, keep on acquiring power in the undeserved kindness that is in Christ Jesus; 2 and the things you heard from me that were supported by many witnesses, these things entrust to faithful men, who, in turn, will be adequately qualified to teach others.

            1 Thessalonians 2:10 You are witnesses, God is also, of how loyal and righteous and blameless we behaved toward you believers.

            Acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.

            Luke 24:48 You are to be witnesses of these things. 49 And look! I am sending upon you what my Father promised. You, though, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”

            So it seems that according to you, God has a cult, and Jesus has a cult, and they exist today as a cult. I’ve heard people say many things against God and Jesus, but this takes the cake as being the most rediculous ever.

            It seems again that you also engage in more ad-hominem attacks, since you cannot scripturally refute what I have posted. So be it. Jesus said you would do it, and he was right, of course. You simply fulfill prophecies about people hating and attacking Jesus, and hating and attacking his followers, and his Father’s followers. Better men than you have murdered many of God’s and Jesus’ followers and witnesses two thousand and more years ago. Better men than you have derided them, jeered them, beat them, and chased them away, and tried imprisoning them and using courts to stop them, but none were successful ultimately. Jesus said it’s a good thing to be persecuted in his name. That is exactly what you are doing Geoffrey. No difference between you and those two thousand years ago who did the very same thing.

            Can you not think of anything original? MUST you use two thousand year old tactics?

          • Emery

            Are your ad-hominem attacks in imitation of the Christ?
            True Christians imitate Jesus’ example as the Great Teacher and Faithful Witness of Jehovah. (Joh 18:37; Re 1:5; 3:14) “Go . . . make disciples of people of all the nations” is their Leader’s command. (Mt 28:19, 20) In carrying it out, Christians ‘witness publicly and from house to house,’ urging people everywhere to flee out of Babylon the Great and put their hope and confidence in God’s Kingdom. (Ac 5:42; 20:20, 21; Re 18:2-4) This is really good news, but proclaiming such a message brings upon Christians great persecution and suffering, even as was experienced by Jesus Christ. His followers are not above him; it is enough if they are like him. (Mt 10:24, 25; 16:21; 24:9; Joh 15:20; 2Ti 3:12; 1Pe 2:21) If one “suffers as a Christian, let him not feel shame, but let him keep on glorifying God in this name,” counseled Peter. (1Pe 4:16) Christians render to “Caesar” what belongs to the superior authorities of this world—honor, respect, tax—but at the same time they remain separate from this world’s affairs (Mt 22:21; Joh 17:16; Ro 13:1-7), and for this the world hates them.—Joh 15:19; 18:36; 1Pe 4:3, 4; Jas 4:4; 1Jo 2:15-17.

        • DeniseC

          Here is one of Geoff’s teaching on SDAs, though I don’t remember if your specific question is answered there. (I read it a while ago.) He has covered several cults (Mormon, JW, RCC, etc). Just use the search box on the upper right corner.


          • DeniseC

            That was for Lee Rice but did not post under her.

          • DeniseC

            Lee, I’m sorry if I mis-gendered you. (made that word up, per the binary/gender fluidity article. 🙂 ) We have a Leigh who is female, but if you’re a male, I apologize!

        • I’m now a hackable device

          New agers believe they have to get rid of Christians too. they say we are holding them back from evolving to their higher selves. Also reminds me of the NAR New Apolistc reformation who believe they have to subdue the earth before Jesus returns. Read your bible for yourself, too many have outlandish interpretations..

        • Lee, I have heard that over the past couple of years too, they take it from the scriptures in Matthew 24:38-42 vs38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
          Some believe that the one taken is the unbeliever, that is all I know concerning this, perhaps someone else can elaborate on it.

  • Larry/vietnamvet1971

    looks like a LOT of Deceived people (Worldly roots planted in this present Evil world) are getting all warmed up, set to get their “MARK”

  • Emery

    According to God’s word, the Bible, the “mark of the beast” is NOT a physical mark at all. It describes the mark on the forehead and the hand. The forehead mark metaphorically refers to one’s thoughts and beliefs, and the mark of the hand metaphorically refers to the actions of that one. Nowhere do the scriptures say it’s a physical mark. It is accepting the beliefs, desires, and thoughts of the world, as currently ruled and organized by Satan. It is being “part of the world”. Jesus taught his followers to be no part of the world. This means no part of it’s politics, machinations, desires, beliefs, customs, and it’s glorification of flags, countries, football teams, actors and actresses, musicians, and the like. It is accepting the immorality, the immoral entertainment, the political activism so rampant in today’s societies. THIS is what the “mark of the beast” refers to. Granted, taking the chips and what have you, is PART of the mark, it is not the mark itself. I believe GOD, and not what religions teach, since God said ALL religions’ are “false religion”, and Jesus said they are all “works of the flesh”. Revelation says religions of man are the greatest part of “Babylon the Great”, and are destined to DESTRUCTION. This destruction begins with the attack and elimination of Christendom, by the eighth great world power, which is the U.N. according to the description in the scriptures. Christendom will be eliminated, churches burned, and anyone they can get their hands on then will be killed. Soon after, they will go after God’s Earthly servants, the REAL Christians, those who practice what Jesus taught, which is not a religion of man, but is the ONLY REAL religion on Earth. It is no church, but a faith in Jesus and in his Father, God the Almighty, and what they did to redeem mankind from sin and death. What Christendom has done, is to so disfigure Jesus’ teachings, it’s not recognizeable within ANY religion of Christendom. All of her religions are mostly pagan in their beliefs, actions, idols and teachings and rituals. Jesus taught none of that.

    • Typical JW nonsense, the clear witness of Scripture shows you to be in error as usual.

      “And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:” Revelation 13:16 (KJV)

      The Mark of the Beast is a literal, physical and visible Mark that will be plain for all the world to see. There is nothing “metaphoric” or symbolic about it.

      • Geoffrey,

        Yes, the scripture backs you up and I appreciate this article.

        YOU are a watchman on the wall for the readers on this site.

        Unfortunately nonsense is the greatest and ultimate demise of those that will not follow the clear teaching of scripture.

        God bless and keep you safe and alert to the deception of the enemy for sake of lost soul’s and all true believers.

      • Emery

        It amazes me how you cannot refute what I post with God’s word, and instead resort to ad hominem attacks and derision. there exists no “typical JW nonsense” Geoffrey. Your understanding of the scriptures is flawed. There is no physical mark. You take a scripture out of context and claim a meaning of it, that is in conflict with God’s meaning of it. You’re interest isn’t finding out the truth, it’s being right. That is not humility, it’s haughtiness that God’s word teaches against.

      • Geoffrey, I do agree with you because I have learned that the Greek word for “Mark” means either a tattoo or an insertion. Have you included more street witnessing stories. Thank you for Now The End Begins.

    • Emery, I can see your back from the Watchtower and Tract society.

      You can not see your own ignorance that just because your organization uses other words not ascribed by the believers on this site it will not separate the WT from the long list you just actually posted about deception.

      The watchtower and tract society do not make themselves any less deceived by changing the true meaning of words used by saved, born again believers in Christ Jesus alone.

      Look up the words in the Webster’s dictionary to find the original definition of the words you listed.

      The Word of God stands alone for truth for the many believer’s on this site.

      Emery, you must be born again. John 3:7

      I will not engage anymore today on this comment but continue to pray for you Emery to truly be born again.

      • Emery

        I am “back from” nothing or any place. And the society is the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, not the Watchtower and tract society. Regarding God’s word, I have NO ignorance. What I know to be scriptural truth comes from the scriptures, not from a society. What is this “long list you just actually posted about deception”? That doesn’t even make any sense. I posted no long list about deception. I posted no long list about anything at all. Not ONE list.

        Whatever words that so called “born again believers in Christ Jesus” use is of no consequence, since they are clueless regarding the teachings of the scriptures. They make up their own beliefs, and stick to them like super glue. The word of God DOES stand alone AS the only truth ANYWHERE. This includes what so called believers on this site say. God’s word does not say what those on this site claim it says. And no one is “born again” outside of the annointed 144,000. God’s word explains it all pretty succinctly. No one is “saved” until the time for such salvation is upon us. One can’t be saved in advance. That’s like saying I am going to save you right now, from a drowning you will incur in five years. So don’t worry, when you drown, you’re already saved in advance. It’s ABSURD. I won’t be chosen by God to be one of the 144,000, so no need to pray for me to be chosen by God for such a heavenly appointment. If He had chosen me, He would already have done so, and I would be quite aware of it. But thanks for the sentiment anyway. I appreciate it. However, God doesn’t listen to the prayers of those who disobey Him constantly, and He commanded all to be no part of any religion of man. Being part of a religion of man is to disobey Him.

        • johnjim

          Emery, your knowledge of Scriptures comes from the New World Translation which the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society uses. I’ve seen it and read it, and compared it to the King James version, as well as other modern versions. There are so many verses missing from the NWT compared to the other versions, it’s a wonder you know whether you’re coming or going. Then again, your interpretation of the “144,000” speaks for itself. Truly sad. The only thing you have right is that you won’t be in Heaven.

          • Emery

            You certainly make a LOT of assumptions johnhim. My knowledge of scriptures comes from 45 years of translating from ancient Koine and ancient Hebrew texts, beginning in college. I hadn’t even HEARD of the Jehovah’s Witnesses until a very few years ago.

            As far as the “missing verses”, realize that MANY spurious texts were ADDED to most translations of the Bible, that DID NOT EXIST in the ancient texts from which they were originally translated. I know whether I am “coming or going” quite well. I don’t “interpret” (guess at) the meaning of scriptures, because God said that interpretation belongs ONLY TO HIM. We are NOT to interpret ANY word of scripture, they stand on their own merit, when taken in context, and when the whole Bible is taken AS A WHOLE. Nothing “sad” about it at all. The 144,000 is not something one “interprets”. They are those whom God chooses as “firstfruits” from mankind, to co-rule with Jesus in heaven. They began to be chosen with the apostles and disciples of Jesus, and probably are complete by now. The entire “NT” is written by, to, and about the 144,000. It’s not addressed to us, but to them, with whom Jesus made the “New Covenant” that replaced the Law Covenant (Mosaic Law). They are the “Christian congregation” Jesus began the night before his death. The mistranslated Bibles say he started the Christian Church, but that is a false translation of the word “ecclesia” in ancient Koine Greek. In modern Greek it translates to church, but in the first century, it was congregation only. Jesus taught AGAINST churches and religions created by man. God commanded us all to “flee” from them, unless we want to share in her punishments. No johnjim, your information is flawed, and your Bible is flawed as compared to 16,000 existing ancient texts from which God’s word is translated. I’ve studied them for 45 years. And I’ve studied many translations of the Bible, about 38 of them actually. None are accurate compared to the ancient texts except the NWT. That is why I was so happy to have run across them. They know the truth, and use an accurate Bible. No one else does. No religions do, and no one who is part of those religions do.

    • Jim Black

      Brother Geoff is right. The Greek for “mark is “charigma” and means “a stamp, imprinted mark, thing carved, sculpture, graven work” (Thayer’s Lexicon #5480)

      How is it that you say the mark is “metaphorical?”

      • Yes, but I didn’t get that knowledge from “going to the Greek”, my KJV comes with a built-in lexicon. The passage itself clearly declares that the mark goes IN and not ON.

        “And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:” Revelation 13:16 (KJV)

      • Emery

        Because the lexicon is not based on ancient texts, it’s based on the KJV. It’s not accurate.

        • Jim Black

          Hello Emery,

          Lexicons provide definitions of the Greek. They are not interpretations of the texts.

          • Emery

            One would think that is so, but sadly, it’s not. They all are in complete paralell to the KJV, which has over 20,000 mistranslations, omissions, and added spurious words and texts. Strong’s Concordance, for example, is the very worst as far as an honestly compiled concordance goes. It is EXACTLY as what the KJV says, word for word. Completely wrong and not honest. Useless for one who is HONESTLY attempting to see what God initially said to us through His inspired word. That is why I did the translating myself 40 plus years ago in college, and have continued to do so through today. To determine what the ancient Koine Greek says, one must consult countless ancient texts, scriptural AND secular, and compare them to the rest of the scriptures, so as not to have any conflicts. Once a scripture is found to have not one conflict anywhere else, then you’ve pretty much got it’s REAL meaning as originally written. Otherwise, it’s a guessing game, and all religions simply don’t care to be accurate in the slightest. Neither do most Bible translators, and that’s always been so. So no, a lexicon does not provide ACCURATE definitions of the ANCIENT KOINE GREEK, not Greek. The differences are massive Jim. Ancient Koine Greek for ecclesia is congregation. Modern Green translates into church. That’s only ONE difference. And the difference makes a great deal of difference in understanding God’s word. For example, Jesus started the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION, not the CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Jesus taught AGAINST churches and religions of man. He didn’t create one. He said they’re all works of the flesh.

          • Jim Black

            Hi Emery,

            I was wondering if JWs have their own lexicon. If not, what do you turn to for word “DEFINITIONS?” I bet that if you take any word in the NWT and A/B it with the KJV, the definitions will be the same as they will with all the other Bible translations.

            You said, “To determine what the ancient Koine Greek says, one must consult countless ancient texts, scriptural AND secular,”

            Texts don’t give definitions, they give context, story, edification, etc. Most contexts are understood, but many aren’t. That’s why you need dictionaries and lexicons.

            NWT uses “congregation” in Acts 7:38, as does the NASB and NKJV. The koine Greek for congregation in this verse is “ekklesia,” (#1577) meaning, “called out.” “Ek” means out and klesia means called. Are you a called out one?

            What sounds more accurate: The global congregation of Jesus Christ, or The global church of Jesus Christ?” The meaning of congregation (plethos) is “assembly, multitude.” Do these words capture the sense of the 2 billion global believers in Jesus Christ?

            No comments on the physical description of Jehovah?

            Question: Are you 100%, 75% or 50% sure you will go to heaven when you die?

            Lord bless

          • Emery

            Hello Jim;
            I know of no lexicon. Since we constantly study scriptures, defining words is usually never an issue. God’s word clearly teaches what it says. It’s in knowing how to study it that is the means by which we know what it says, and what words mean, and so on.

            You commented that texts don’t give definitions. I beg to differ, they DO render definitions. The context, subject matter, and surrounding paragraphs generally clearly tell us what a particular word means. The problem religions and religionists encounter is that they take things always out of context. They take one scripture and try to determine it’s meaning, which is almost always impossible. Actually, you said ekklesia, it’s actually ecclesia, and it translates from ancient Koine Greek into to modern English meanings, and they are people and congregation, depending on subject matter and context. No Koine Greek for church ever existed in the first century. They had never heard of a church. They had temples, but that’s about it. Besides worship poles and alters that is. Plethos was not used in the ancient texts, ecclesia always was. Plethos is a more modern Greek word.

            No physical description is possible since He is invisible.

            I am 100% certain that I will NOT go to heaven when I die. Nothing survives our death. Our thoughts do perish. The soul that sins, it itself shall die. Adam BECAME a living soul. From dust we came and to dust we shall go. We don’t have an immortal soul that could go to heaven according to scripture. God said He would allow 144,000 He would choose to be transformed into spirit beings, as He is and as Jesus and the angels are, and take them to heaven to co-rule the Kingdom with Jesus, from heaven, ruling over Earth and the entire Kingdom.

            Religions lie, and most Bibles are very very deceptive in their usage of falsely translated words. They make one believe things that God never said, and change what He did say greatly. They deceive people by causing them to believe the pagan things Constantine and Athanasius added to Christendom, like cross, ghost, immortal soul, hellfire, and quite a lot of other things that NEVER were known or believed in the first century by Christians. Cross was added by Athanasius, as pagans all believed in using it as it’s always been the “tau” or symbol for Tammuz. Hellfire was added because pagans believed in it, but not Christians. Immortal soul was pagan and was added by Constantine and much later translaters to coincide with paganism, so they would become Christians, and have familiar beliefs within their new religion. Many other things were so added to attract and pacify pagans who were commanded to become Christian. It made them feel less imposed upon. But none of those pagan beliefs are Christian.

          • Jim Black

            Greetings again,

            You said, “You commented that texts don’t give definitions. I beg to differ, they DO render definitions. The context, subject matter, and surrounding paragraphs generally clearly tell us what a particular word means.”

            OK, what do you think “begotten” means in John 3:16?

            Then Rev. 3:10 (NWT) says, “I will also KEEP you from the hour of test.” After reading on both sides of this verse, what would you say “KEEP” means (no fair looking it up:)

            Then you said, “No physical description is possible since He is invisible.” OK, but this brings me back to my original thoughts. Was Jehovah invisible when He walked in the garden and confronted Adam and Eve? If God walked in the garden, wouldn’t He have legs? Why? Why not?

            Then you said, “I am 100% certain that I will NOT go to heaven when I die.” May I suggest that you can be certain. Here is what 1 John 5:13 says: “I write these things that you MAY KNOW that you have life everlasting.” Surely we all would like to know FOR CERTAIN that we will end up in heaven with Jesus. So don’t you think that this particular verse is giving the assurance of eternal life if we observe and do THESE THINGS of which the Apostle writes?

            Lord bless

            Greetings again,

    • Lee Rice

      Emery, you know, I believe what you are saying and have found that every church I attend had correction for other beliefs. We are not to worship the churches, but God Himself and Our Lord. I am more comfortable going on this site, and watching videos that are GOD centered and reading books about issues which lets say, Bill Graham teachings. I love to hear some ministers in their teaching on the Revelation and other books, but I am so done with the pettiness of the churches. God asked us to mingle with other like minded believers. I agree. We are doing it right here. I am doing it when I read a good Christian explanation of an issue. Does this make sense. It is easy to become “feeling guilty” for not attending church. But if my heart is in the right place…..????? I get a little upset when a pastor I have loved and supported and taught excellent verse by verse, and then left his wife. What is that all about? Don’t put your trust in the wrong places.

    • carson

      so how will the cashier know whether or not I’m in love with the world and on board with the beast..by what I’m trying to buy? hotdogs are a sign or maybe soda pop…?
      So without the mark I can’t buy anything, and how will the cashier know.
      Unless the mark is some visible, or with the trends, read by some machine, scanned, and without it poof…no buy’e no sell’e for yous!
      Much easier and efficient and more to have the machines do it, much as it is now huh, and trending.

      A better question (one which we won’t know til later) is is the mark the actual currency, or the means to access the coming cryptocurrency (which all major nations gov’s are working on along with banks and private think tank orgs etc etc.)
      If it’s the means to access, does it fit with the pushed for and coming internet ID? Will it also contain your medical records, tax ID numbers, and much much more. Hey it’ll probably even have your fishing license ID number too (yes they even have one of those now too). I think the mark will be the means to access the system that’s coming and contain all things relevant to a person within it.

      and back to ‘love of the world’ (a summation), yes love of self and world is why people will take the mark, but the mark is the door closing to that they ever might be granted repentance from love of self and world which proves that the real/actual coming mark is more then just love of the world, consider rev 14:9-10..take the mark? the same shall drink of the wine of wrath…it’s a door closing upon any ever having the chance at repentance and faith being granted.
      And why do I bring that up? Because all are sinners, were, are, and some are saved. Now your saved today but in the past you weren’t (none are born from the womb into Christ but all are born in adam/the flesh nature and thus needs be born again in Christ) so you ‘had the mark’ back then huh? since you were not saved and walked in darkness, yet you were granted repentance and faith in Christ but with taking the real mark it shows in rev 14 that that’s that, it’s the door closed and no chance they’d be granted repentance after that. Take the mark? Then drink of the wine of Gods wrath..

      a person can be pulled out from love of the world, as we all loved the world and the flesh things yet Christ pulled us out from being of the world john 15:19, so loving the world/flesh is not the mark, but a person can never recover from taking the real mark.

  • Mary

    I guess being Way Cool is his motivation which speaks volumes! Even so, come Lord Jesus, Now please!

  • CHAR

    DeniseC, you would think there would be scar tissue, but maybe in a few years it will show up, but by then everyone will have taken the Mark of the Beast that’s still here. It does sound very enticing to those who are not aware of what’s coming next. That picture looks downright ugly to have under your skin. It also looks painful. I’d be too chicken to even get a tatoo, let alone that big, ugly thing, JUST BECAUSE I’M TOO LAZY TO PICK UP MY KEYS AND UNLOCK MY DOOR???? Wow.

    • Leonard

      Char, I suspect that it will be impossible to buy and sell without the mark, as the mark with be a chip which communicates with every store’s price scanner, and your bank account. It will be how you pay–EVERYTHING. Your mortgage, your utility bills, groceries, insurance, doctor etc. Without the mark, there will be no buying or selling. Cash will likely be illegal and worthless…

      • carson

        I also think the mark will be the means to access the ‘system of everything’ their building, so not an actual currency per se but the means to access it and much more.
        I think the coming internet ID will fold/upload right into the mark along with the many other things their readying.

  • Susan

    I am just saying something to be included so I can see all the comments.

    • Larry/vietnamvet1971

      Thank you susan for stopping in and we hope you will discuss & learn together with us as in One mind, One heart., One accord. Our Common Denominator is JESUS the Center of ALL things.

  • This is the quest from the beginning….to have eternal life APART from the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    This is pride which leads to disobedience. All religions or beliefs that teach some how THEY alone can gain eternal abundant life and peace are of the antichrist evil spirit.

    Some teach they add THEIR works and intelligence to the finished work of the only Lord and King of the entire universe Jesus.

    What folly that will lead to utter destruction and eternal separation form the Holy God.

    Run away from such teachings.

    My spirit is grieved for those that trust in their works such as their physical diet, kindness, being better morally than the world’s standard and the list can go on and on about those that trust in themselves. As the apostle Paul wrote it is Christ that will redeem us from this body not works that NO MAN can boast.

    Ephesians 2:8-9.

  • Emery

    The making of cuttings upon the flesh or scratching the arms, hands, and face in times of mourning was evidently a common practice among the ancients. (Jer 47:5; 48:37) This may have been done with a view to pacifying or propitiating the deities believed to preside over the dead. With reference to this practice among the Scythians upon the death of their king, the Greek historian Herodotus (IV, 71) wrote: “They cut off a part of their ears, shave their heads, make cuts round their arms, tear their foreheads and noses, and pierce their left hands with arrows.”
    Inflicting lacerations upon the flesh, however, was not limited to mourning rites. In the hope of having their god answer their appeals, the prophets of Baal cut themselves “according to their custom with daggers and with lances, until they caused blood to flow out upon them.” (1Ki 18:28) Similar rites were engaged in by other ancient peoples. For example, Herodotus (II, 61) mentions that during the festival of Isis, the Carians residing in Egypt cut their foreheads with knives.
    God’s Law specifically forbade the making of cuttings upon the flesh for the dead. (Le 19:28; 21:5; De 14:1) The reason for this was that Israel was a holy people to Jehovah, a special property. (De 14:2) As such, Israel was to remain free from all idolatrous practices. Then, too, such extreme displays of mourning accompanied by self-inflicted lacerations upon the flesh were most inappropriate for a people who were fully aware of the actual condition of the dead as well as the resurrection hope. (Da 12:13; Heb 11:19) Also, the prohibition against self-mutilation would have impressed upon the Israelites proper respect for God’s creation, the human body.
    Apparently, though, the Israelites on occasion disregarded God’s law with respect to making cuttings upon their flesh.—Jer 41:5; compare Mic 5:1.

    • Jim Black

      Hello Emery,

      I would like to know why only the NWT records that Jesus is not God, while all the rest do. Can you please reveal what manuscripts Tazz Russell used that showed him Jesus is not God?

      On the other hand, I watched a debate between a JW and Baptist. The JW said that Jesus is “second” God equal to the Father God. Are you aware of this?

      Lord bless

      • Emery

        I schooled in translating ancient Koine and ancient Hebrew, from the first century and before. I was tasked, as were my classmates, with finding a translation of the scriptures that was the same as the ancient scrolls from which they were translated. None of us, in three and a half years ever found one that was even close. No existent translation is accurate with regards to the ancient texts, except the NWT. And Mr Russell had nothing to do with translating the NWT. He was president of the society, not part of the translating committee, and his name is Charles Taze Russell. He said Jesus was a god, not God. Jesus IS as a god, immortal, invisible, and when he uses his Fathers holy spirit, can perform anything his Father can, but Jesus is NOT GOD the Almighty. Almighty means ONE that is mightier than anyone or anything else. There cannot be two almighties. The definition of the word means ONE that is the absolute mightiest. And in the scriptures, MANY things are called “gods”. Are they also equal to God the Almighty? Certainly not. Death is called a god, sin is called a god, pagans have many fictitious gods, and so on. And yes, I am aware of that. Of course. Jesus is second to God who is first in all things, since He created Jesus. Jesus or the “Word”, is the very first creation of God, and the ONLY thing God DIRECTLY FIRST HAND created. He allowed Jesus to use His spirit to create everything else that exists. God is the actual creator though, since it is His spirit that did the creating, with Jesus using it.

        • Jim Black

          Thank you, Emery, but you didn’t identify what manuscripts were used to translate that Jesus is not God. Actually, who were the translators of the NWT?

          Thank you Emery for this information. I thought Taze Russell compiled the NWT. If not him, who were the translators?
          The NWT records, “….the true God, the great one, the mighty One, Jehovah of armies being His name.” (Jer. 32:18)
          Is the “mighty one” of Jer. 32:18 the same as the “mighty God” of Isa. 9:6?

          I would also like to ask you this question: Do the scriptures record a physical description of God.

          Thanks and Lord bless

          • Emery

            To begin with, there are 16,000 of them. You want me to list them? I cannot do that. And why do you think I was on any of the translating committees? I wasn’t. And can you not discern what they were talking about by reading them in context? Jeremiah 32:18 is speaking of Jehovah. The Isaiah 9:6 is speaking of Jesus being born as a human. And no, of course they aren’t the same person. How is it you cannot discern that? You’re not making any sense here.

          • Jim Black

            Greetings Emery,

            No, you don’t have to list them, but I would like to see one where it says what the NWT says about Jesus not being God . Most manuscripts are identified as Septuagint, Codex, Sinaticus, Recepticus, etc. Please just show me one that says Jesus isn’t God and identify in which one it is recorded. If there is one that is acknowledged by reputable scholars as genuine, then I will agree with you that I’m not making sense.

            I didn’t say that you were one of the translators. I don’t know where you got that from.

            Jer. 32:18 is speaking of Jehovah. (I believe this was Jesus) That’s how He was identified in the OT. Isa. 9:6 says this that Jesus will be called “Mighty God.” You agree the verse is talking about the birth of Jesus, but won’t accept Him as “mighty God.” In Isa 10:21, he says, “A remnant will return to the Mighty God.” Are there two different “mighty Gods?”

            Also, does the Bible record a physical description of Jehovah?

            Lord bless

          • Emery

            Greeting to you as well. To be honest, I don’t have the couple hours it would take to go through my research notes and binders to find what you ask, however, God’s word is sufficient. There are literaly hundreds of individual scriptures that indicate that Jesus is not God. You won’t find them in a KJV or equivalent though, as James the First wanted to obfuscate that fact, as well as many other facts from God.

            You asked about a physical description of Jehovah. I am sure you realize that Jehovah, Jesus, and all of the sons of God (angels) are SPIRIT beings, and not physical beings. Therefore there is no physical description. There exists God’s attributes, such as love, power, justice, and loyalty, and others. We are made in God’s image, but not physical image, it’s the personality of God that is the image we were made with. We are capable of love, thought, kindness, and so on, as is God, our Creator. It is God’s spirit that Jesus used to resurrect, heal, and to perform miracles, so basically it was God who caused those things to happen, at His son’s hand. It’s the same as when God allowed Jesus to use His spirit to create the universe. It was Jesus USING God’s spirit, but God caused it to happen. The only thing the Bible records as being directly created by God, was the Word, Jesus. Everything else God allowed Jesus to create using God’s spirit. Jesus is our savior, but salvation itself comes from God through His spirit that Jesus USES to save when the time comes for such saving.

            So in short, no. No physical description of God is existent, or possible. There exist descriptions in the scriptures of VISIONS certain servants of God had, from God, but they are merely representations of God, not God Himself. Like Revelation is filled with representations of things to come, but are not literally visions of the events themselves. Figures of speech, or figures of visions in an abstract way.

          • Jim Black

            Hello Emery,

            Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

            I can come up with many Greek transcripts that record Jesus as God. There are literally thousands of them. Why couldn’t you come up with just one? This is crucial Emery because you have been told there are manuscripts denying the deity of Jesus, but apparently you have not taken the time to “see if it isn’t so” for yourself (Acts 17:11). If Jesus wasn’t God in the flesh, we are all “dead in our sins” with no hope of eternal life.

            You say that God doesn’t have a physical description. In Gen. 3:8 the NWT says that God was heard as He was “walking” in the garden. This would certainly be a strong indication that God had legs; and if legs, feet; if feet hips; if hips; upper torso, etc. The only alternative to this is to claim the narrative is allegorical, or spiritualize it. But the surface rendering of the NWT clearly describes, or at least implies, that Jehovah had a visible and physical description like ours, for we are created in His (physical and spiritual) image.

            Then in Exo. 31:18 it says the tablets were “written by God’s finger.” (NWT) The Hebrew for written is “kathab” and means, “to write, inscribe, engrave, write in, write on.” So if God had a finger, then He must have had a hand; if a hand, an arm; if an arm, a shoulder, etc. In my view, the NWT (as all other Bibles) certainly imply that God had a human shape. This God (Word) was from the beginning and about 2100 years ago became “flesh.” Jesus had a human body just like ours, except He was Divinity in the flesh and sinless.

            Also, you said, ” The only thing the Bible records as being directly created by God, was the Word, Jesus. But the Word was with God in the beginning. So how does He create the Word if the Word already existed?

            Lord bless

          • Emery

            Hi again. What you can come up with is not at issue here. What IS at issue, is the truth. NO first century, or second century, or ACCURATE COPIES of transcripts from then say Jesus is God. NOT ONE. Many after that period are not accurate, and are deliberately misleading, as they are from so-called “church fathers” who sought to modify God’s word, being Satanically inspired to do so. Most definately, any scripture you BELIEVE says God is His own son and is His own father CONFLICT with countless other scriptures that outright say otherwise. Since no scripture conflicts with any other scripture, if it’s accurately translated, then an adjustment on your belief of the ones that DO say Jesus is His own father is in order. Your belief does not come honestly from scriptures. It comes from two, maybe three sources: False translations of the scriptures; false religion; men. It DOES NOT come from God or an accurate copy of His inspired word. If you picked up an ACCURATE translation and read it, having never heard of religion, or scriptures, or what men say about them, then you would believe with no doubt that God created Jesus as His only begotten SON.

            IF JESUS IS GOD

            Why is he called the “firstborn of all creation? Col. 1:15, RE 3:14
            Why did he say he did not come of his “own initiative” but was sent forth? Did he send himself?
            Why did Jesus not know the “day and hour” of the great tribulation,
            But God did? Mt. 24:36
            Who did Jesus speak to in prayer?
            How did he “appear before the person of God for us? Heb. 9:24 Did Jesus appear
            before himself?
            Why did Jesus say “the father is greater than I am?” Jo. 14:28
            Who spoke to Jesus at the time of his babtism saying “this is my son?”
            Mt. 3:17 Did Jesus perform ventriliquism?
            How could he be exalted to a superior position? Php. 2:9, 10 If Jesus is his own father
            how can he be any higher than he already is?
            How can he be the “mediator between God and man? 1 Tim. 2:5 Does he mediate between
            himself and himself on behalf of man?
            Why did Paul say that “the head of Christ is God? 1 Cor. 11:3 How can Jesus be his own head,
            or boss?
            Why did Jesus “hand over the Kingdom to his God” and subject himself
            To God? 1 Cor. 15:24, 28 One cannot hand over anything to himself, and subject himself
            TO himself.
            Who does he refer to as “my God and your God?” Joh. 20:17 Is Jesus HIS OWN GOD to
            whom he referred? NO.
            How does he sit at God’s right hand? Ps. 110:1, Heb. 10:12, 13 How can Jesus sit at
            his OWN right hand?
            Why dies John say “no man has seen God at any time?” Joh. 1:18 Many have seen Jesus
            and yet not have seen him simultaneously? Impossible.
            Why did people not die when they saw Jesus/ Ex.. 30:20
            How was Jesus dead and God alive at the same time? Ac. 2;24
            Why did Jesus need someone to save him? Heb. 5:7
            Who is referred to prophetically at Pro. 8:22-31?
            Why did Jesus say “that all authority has been GIVEN to me in heaven
            and on Earth? Mt. 28:18, Dan. 7:13, 14 (similar) If Jesus was God, then
            no authority higher than himself can be GIVEN to himself, and who would have
            given it?

            If Jesus were God Jim, SO MANY scriptures are COMPLETELY WRONG, and since NONE ARE, then Jesus is
            God’s ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. Look up “beget” in a dictionary.

          • Jim Black

            Greetings Emery,

            You said, “What you can come up with is not at issue here. What IS at issue, is the truth. NO first century, or second century, or ACCURATE COPIES of transcripts from then say Jesus is God. NOT ONE.”

            I beg to differ with you, my friend. Truth is found in the many thousands of manuscripts used by several Seminaries. These manuscripts are copies of the originals, and there are enough of them to support the fact that they are copies of them. Since you can’t come up with just one that records Jesus not being God, and I am able to come up with as many as you want that says He is, where does that leave you respecting your belief that Jesus isn’t God?

            You ask that I respond to your many questions. While I could answer each one individually, there’s not much point in it because you don’t believe in the Trinity or that Jesus is the eternal God/Man, as all the manuscripts record. I believe that If you did understood that the Singular God is Triune, existing in three co-equal and co-eternal persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the lights would come on. They really would, Emery.

            But let me ask you a Question:

            What do you think John ment when he said, “That one (Jesus) will baptize you people with holy spirit.” (Matt. 3:11 – NWT)

            Lord bless you

          • Emery

            The scriptures that you claim say Jesus is his Father, must be interpreted as such, since they don’t actually say that, and if they did, they would contradict so many other scriptures, as to change the entire NT and it’s intent. The trinity doctrine is from the Athanasian Creed, or Quicunque Vult (also Quicumque Vult) and came about about the sixth century, or the late fifth century. NOT from the first century when Jesus walked the Earth. No first century Christian heard of it, believed it, or spoke ONE WORD about such a trinity belief. The opening paragraphs read as follows: “Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled; without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons; nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is; such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated.” Now scriptures say Jesus is God’s ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. Beget is the root of begotten, and it’s definition is as follows: ”
            verb (used with object), begot or (Archaic) begat; begotten or begot; begetting.
            1. (especially of a male parent) to procreate or generate (offspring).
            2. to cause; produce as an effect: a belief that power begets power.”

            This scripture says Jesus was begotten. Created. Procreated. By God the Almighty. The Athanasian Creed REFUTES that scripture Jim. It’s a CATHOLIC belief anyway. Since all religions of Christendom come from the ORIGINAL religion of Christendom, the RCC, it’s no surprise they all believe this falsehood.

            Even though, as Trinitarians acknowledge, neither the word “Trinity” nor a statement of the Trinitarian dogma is found in the Bible, are the concepts that are embodied in that dogma found there?
            Does the Bible teach that the “Holy Spirit” is a person?
            Does the Bible agree with those who teach that the Father and the Son are not separate and distinct individuals?
            Does the Bible teach that all who are said to be part of the Trinity are eternal, none having a beginning?
            Does the Bible teach that none of those who are said to be included in the Trinity is greater or less than another, that all are equal, that all are almighty?
            Does the Bible teach that each of those said to be part of the Trinity is God?
            Do any of the scriptures that are used by Trinitarians to support their belief provide a solid basis for that dogma?
            The answer to ALL of these questions is an unequivocal NO. God’s word does NOT support a trinity teaching in any way, shape, or form. One MUST twist the meaning of many scriptures to TRY to CONVINCE one as to it’s truthfulness, when it is not true at all.

            What does Matthew 3:11 say? It’s quite clear Jim. It says that Jesus, who after he is baptized with water, and then baptized by God with God’s spirit, making him then the messiah, will baptize others with God’s spirit, making them the first ones of the holy spirit annointed 144,000, whom the father has granted to them being co-heirs and brothers to Jesus, and co-kings and co-rulers, and co-princes and co-judges in the Kingdom government, who will rule Earth with Jesus, from heaven, after the final battle has completed. Pretty simple actually. Jesus spoke to and about them in every word almost, in the words of the Christian Greek (NT) scriptures.

          • Jim Black

            Hello Emery,

            I didn’t answer any of the questions you posed (sorry:( because they all basically can be answered with the understanding of the Triune Godhead and Deity of Jesus, both of which you don’t accept+-`++. It’s a real wheel spinner,” trying to explain this to someone who doesn’t understand these two things. I’m not being critical rather just pointing out what most Christians believe.

            As far as “beget,” the koine Greek and modern dictionaries differ considerably on some words; begotten is one of them. The Greek for begotten is “monogenes” and means, “single of its kind, only.” There are none like Jesus. He is preeminently unique.

            Lord bless

  • Susan

    Thank you, Larry. I appreciate this conversation a LOT. I too believe in the Pretrib Rapture and I have read several articles that shows the Mark of the Beast is not far off at all. Only Jesus is the way to Heaven. I love Jesus with all my heart and I have to tell you I felt God’s presence when I entered this conversation, so I believe it is annointed in Christ. I am very honored to be a part of this. I learn as well as give a little, if I can add anything. God Bless you all, and may you feel Jesus’ presence like you’ve never felt Him before. Praise God!

  • Joanna Loves Jesus

    People accept anything for convenience, why don’t they keep their keys on a chain or pocket like most do these days, I know women mostly have there house keys at the bottom of their handbag(purse) buried under everything else…but your key in your body?!!! No thanks!!! and using the implant to access your electronic goods…
    Thank you NTEB for keeping us up to date with news, things are happening fast the nearer the end of the age approaches.
    I have heard from GOD TV and read on other websites that scientists can change the DNA with implant technology…
    They (the powers-that-be) have projects going on to give soldiers super strength with the technology plus a bunch of other stuff that these DNA changes can do…
    Could they give humanity that take The Mark of The Beast Luciferic demonic DNA?
    That is one theory talked about by several preachers such as Wendy Alec and others, it sounds something like beyond Science-Fiction, that humanity could have its very essence of being what makes us human changed forever…seeing that Satan hates us all more than we could ever imagine, I don’t know what to make of it.

    We, as Human beings are made in God’s image. Satan hates humanity and the drive of Transhumanism is changing the human body, then there is the drive to create human/animal hybrids…clones that the scientists working on and so much other things going on and we don’t know about.

    What I do know is that when we repent of our sins and give our hearts to Jesus Christ we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and are new creations, and have our names written in the Book of Life.
    While there is still time and there is still daylight we should devote our energies into building the Kingdom of God.
    Christianity will be increasingly seen as dangerous and the authorities will seek to control us to the extent seen in
    Soviet nations, and eventually they will come for all of us…
    Until that day, be loving and gracious to each other and your enemies, pray for your enemies and bless them, pray that their eyes will be opened to the Truth that is only found in Jesus Christ.
    God Bless you all.

    • Lee Rice

      And Joanna, Loves Jesus…You are so right. I watched my husband pass into Heaven. Not one second did God leave him and my husband told me what he was seeing. My pastor was there at the end and still preaches on the scene he was so fortunate to see and to encourage his ministry. We do not die! PERIOD. We change. My husband’s Spirit is with the Lord. He is not lying in a grave somewhere asleep., His body is!, but the PERSON GOD created is with God. If they come for us, be strong as you will not experience anything more than the last shot and even that probably won’t be felt. The Jews in Germany did suffer daily. That is different. There may be some of us that suffer the earthly issues that Evil Man can put to us. But, if they just take us, and we suffer for a time, we must be strong, keeping our eyes on the End of the Race. We will be fine,just be strong. Even So, Come Lord Jesus, Come.

      • DeniseC

        Great testimony, and I see you ARE a girl. So I’m not “losing it” afterall. haha. When I was posting as DC some thought I was male, and then there was another DC here, so I use my first name now.

  • Leonard

    Oh no, you’ll get Geoffrey started on his pre-trib rapture rap again…

  • Yasmine

    Satan greatest weapon is deceit. If he can’t beat them he joins them than changes then and that’s how we get false churches like Catholic and JW. Created by the same fallen angel with daddy issues. The JW bible was completed in the 1960’s by their founder Charles Mason who was a active satanic mason member who is buried at a Masonic lodge. But that is of Christ? The mark of the beast will come and it will be a physical entity. Who cares if it leaves a scar or not. The severity of the situation is that w/o the mark you will be homeless, jobless and starving. The bible is very clear that you will not be able to buy anything without it. That your faith will have to be strong enough to hold out on getting the mark. That your God is bigger and will sustain you until the end. Some will be weak and get it because they want a cheese burger. Don’t be fooled the bible is true and the physical mark of the beast is coming. The question is will you stand by God until the end?

    • Emery

      The Catholic Church is the FIRST counterfeit Christian church in existence, and all other churches CLAIMING to be Christian follow their suit in believing pagan beliefs, performing pagan rituals, and worshiping pagan idols. God said ALL religions of man are “false religion”, since only ONE real, true religion exists, and it’s what Jesus taught in the first century. JW’s are not a religion. They are a society of ministers of God who all practice the original Christianity Jesus taught, and they ONLY believe the inspired word of God. Not man, not religion, just God’s word. So your statement is in error. The SOCIETY’s founder was Charles RUSSEL, not Charles Mason, and he was not a Mason, or FreeMason, and He is not buried at a Masonic Lodge. The mark is not a physical mark, but a reliance and acceptance of the world as it currently is. It is ruled and designed by Satan, and everything is influenced by Satan. Religions, governments, entertainment, desires, immorality, and so on, are all Satanically inspired. Yes, the Bible DOES say no buying or selling, but is that figurative, or literal? Who really knows at this point? We shall see soon though. Yes, the inspired word of God is true and accurate, but there exist only a couple accurate TRANSLATIONS of it, and the KJV is not one of them by a long shot. Yes, I agree, the question is, will you stand WITH God until the end? Or will you give up integrity to Him? Integrity to God, love of God, means OBEYING HIS COMMANDS, and yet His commands are NOT burdensome. ALL OF HIS COMMANDS, not most of them, not some of them, but ALL of them. One of His commands is to “flee” religions. Another is to take in ACCURATE information about Him DAILY. Another is to bring this message to all we can, always, in every situation. Another is to “remain no part of the world”. This means no voting, politica, war, army service, government service, dishonesty, immorality (including sex outside marriage, immodest dress, immodest speech, etc.) To divorce someone and re-marry is immorality. It’s adultery. God said the ONLY reason one can divorce and still remain in God’s love, is on the basis of fornication or adultery.

    • Lee Rice

      Jasmine, I totally agree with what you said. I tried to say this but could not put it into words like you did. The bible is not a unknown puzzle. God loves his children and is telling us WHAT WILL happen. As I said, if I don’t take the mark and the knife cuts into my neck, so be it. Pray Pray Pray and as you are dying, you will look back and see your body being torn by the Evil of the World, but you will be walking forward hand in hand with Jesus Christ. You are so protected. It is the FEAR that will get us, if we do not turn our eyes on Jesus.

  • JCs

    No offence but anyone who doesn’t want to except the Truth all they are going to do is confuse the new- You either believe Truth or don’t but that would be end of that discussion right there- Why Lord says have no fellowship with unbelievers- Gods will be done IJNA Also was going to give you a heads up on there is a church called church of Jesus Christ that is rising and also ecumenical- So you may want to word that part as the body of Christ- Prayers are with all who do not know the Truth In Jesus Name Amen Love you but we not allowed to have fellowship if they do not want to hear the Truth-

  • JCs

    We* as the body of Christ- Not saying this site- That is up to them but just sharing what i seen on there sites and how well we know some on here- Gods will be done IJNA- For we wrestle Not flesh and blood-

  • CHAR

    Leo you said: Char, I suspect that it will be impossible to buy and sell without the mark, as the mark with be a chip which communicates with every store’s price scanner, and your bank account. It will be how you pay–EVERYTHING. Your mortgage, your utility bills, groceries, insurance, doctor etc. Without the mark, there will be no buying or selling. Cash will likely be illegal and worthless…

    That is a correct assumption, but that pertains to the people who will be left behind and I don’t plan on being one of them. I believe in the PRE-TRIB RAPTURE and I believe without a doubt, we will be in the air soon and with our Lord at the Marriage Feast of the Lamb, then the 7 year trib will be as you described and after the first 3 1/2 years when the A.C. steps up and forces everyone to worship him that’s down here and I certainly will not be experiencing that horrible time of Jacob’s Trouble as is described in Daniel. God Bless!

    • DeniseC

      Amen, Char. We the Bride are not meant for God’s wrath. I pray that many unbelievers will get saved before the GT.

  • The Revelation of Jesus Christ vs. The Rapture of the Church:
    Are they the self same event?
    Matthew chapter 24 is probably one of the most misunderstood and mishandled passages of Scripture in the Bible.
    In every case, where a Bible expositor tries to force the second coming of Christ in with the rapture the church, there is conflict.
    The fact is, these are TWO SEPERATE EVENTS! They do not fit together! The two events take place seven years apart from one another, and there are SIMPLE CLUES written right in the passage that make it IMPOSSIBLE for the two SEPARATE events to be the self same event. Dispensationally, these are two separate periods of God’s dealing with two separate sets of people.

    Without going into any detail, at all, these two verses, Matt 24:13 (and others the same) cannot be reconciled with what the Bible says about the catching up the church in 1 Thess 4:16-17. THEY CANNOT BE USED TO DESCRIBE THE SAME EVENT! In Matt, during the tribulation, the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM shall be preached unto the nations. “13 But he that shall ENDURE UNTO THE END, the same SHALL BE SAVED.”
    1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJB: “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the DEAD in Christ SHALL RISE FIRST: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them IN THE CLOUDS, TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
    Matthew 24:12-14 KJB: “And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”

    Christians, born again believers in Christ, have overcome the world, through Christ.
    1 John 4:4 KJB: “Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.”
    1 John 5:4-5 KJB: “For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?”
    Again, in Matt 24, the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM shall be preached unto the nations, and “. . he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.”
    If you believe what you read in the Bible, and you take the word of God at face value for what it says, “. . he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved . .”, you know it’s telling you a person must live until the end, in order to be saved. No dead folks are caught up by Jesus. Angels are sent to gather the elect from the four winds of heaven.

    “. . the DEAD in Christ shall RISE FIRST: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them IN THE CLOUDS, TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
    When Christ comes at the second advent, ALL THE TRIBES of the earth shall see Him coming in the clouds. (Where did it say we will meet the Lord? In the clouds – right where we are when WE return WITH HIM – when angels are sent to gather His elect. NO ONE IS CAUGHT UP IN THE AIR TO BE WITH THE LORD. THE WHEAT IS SEPERATED FROM THE TARES. THE SAINTS RETURN WITH THE LORD. (cf Rev 19)

    Matthew 24:29-31 KJB: “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and THEY shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall SEND HIS ANGELS with a great sound of a trumpet, and THEY SHALL GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
    1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJB: “For the Lord HIMSELF SHALL DECENT (NOT HIS ANGELS) from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP OF GOD: (not – HIS ANGELS with a great sound of a trumpet) and the DEAD in Christ shall RISE FIRST: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them IN THE CLOUDS, TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

    IN ADDITION: in 1 Thessalonians 5:2 KJB: “For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.”
    When Jesus comes for the church, He comes as a “. . THIEF IN THE NIGHT . .” the whole world doesn’t see Him coming, as they do at the second advent…
    “And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and THEY shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall SEND HIS ANGELS with a great sound of a trumpet, and THEY SHALL GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
    Every born again believer in Christ Jesus has overcome the world, in Christ. No Christian has to endure anything! You have overcome the world, because Christ has overcome the world. If you are looking for a means of overcoming the world, than look to Jesus and trust in Him.
    1 John 4:4 KJB: “Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.”
    1 John 5:4-5 KJB: “For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?”
    1 Thessalonians 4:13, 18 KJB: “But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. . . 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.”
    1 Thessalonians 5:5-11 KJB: “Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. 7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. 11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.”
    Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus! Amen!
    “For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?”
    —1 John 5:4-5 KJB
    “. . Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved . .”—Acts 16:31 KJB

    • Larry/vietnamvet1971

      Thanks Andy for a very thoughtful & sincere explanation of the 2 differences.

      GOD Bless.

  • John33

    Ill tell it again if this chip or whatever is going to be in the hand or forehead then its the mark really simple and i aint taking it a pre rapture or not!

  • Crissy

    “OBEYING HIS COMMANDS, and yet His commands are NOT burdensome. ALL OF HIS COMMANDS, not most of them, not some of them, but ALL of them.”
    @ Emery

    Hi Emery, I have been following all your responses with interest, based on what I have been reading, would you say you are a good person ?

  • Emery

    That is not a very logical question. Why would one who considers himself a bad person, strive to teach others what God has to say to us? Why would one spend 45 years learning ACCURATELY what God’s word says in order to do so in the first place? Asking a question that you already know the answer to means you are looking for something other than the answer to that question. What is it Crissy? Stop being deceptive and come clean please.

    • Leonard

      Emery, you continually claim that the King James Bible is corrupted. PROVE IT.

      • Emery

        Your UNCHRISTLIKE behavior is abhorrent. You have NO RIGHT to COMMAND or ORDER me to do ANYTHING. Prove it? You prove it Leonard. It’s EASY. In the ancient texts from which all Bibles are translated, the tetragrammaton for Jehovah appears 7,210 times. In the KJV Bible it occurs only FOUR times. Removing God’s personal name is corrupt, and only serves Satan. In the ancient texts, hell occurs ONCE. In the KJV it occurs 54 times. THAT is corrupt. Gehenna occurs 22 times in the ancient texts. In the KJV it occurs 0 times, it’s CHANGED to hell, which is corrupt. In the ancient texts, Hades occurs 19 times, in the KJV 0 times. Sheol in the ancient texts occurs 71 times, and KJV 0 times. All occurrences of Hades, Sheol, and Gehenna have been INCORRECTLY rendered as hell in the KJV. Hades, Sheol, and hell all mean “the common grave of mankind”. Gehenna is a metaphorical reference to being removed from God’s infinite memory. It means total destruction. Gehenna is the “valley of the sons of Hin-Nom”, and was a burning trash dump adjacent to Jerusalem in the first century. Sulphur (brimstone) was poured on the fires to keep it constantly burning, so everything was totally destroyed, burned to ash. It is NOT hell No hell of fire and torment exists according to God’s word. In the ancient texts, pneumos or spirit/wind occurs 735 times, in the KJV only 535 times, and only when it doesn’t refer to God’s holy spirit. In the KJV, every reference to God’s spirit or force is rendered “ghost”, and no such word existed in the first century. James the First had it translated into Victorian English, which in 1611 was already 200 years OUTDATED. No one spoke that way in the early 1600’s. No thees and thous and sinneth and so on. Certainly no one spoke that way in the first century, since English didn’t exist then anyway.
        How’s that for just a very few examples of corruption in the KJV? I could go on for days typing the falsely translated words in the KJV, so done to deceive the readers of it. James the First was the head of the Church of England, and wanted the readers of his translation to only see the beliefs of the Church of England, and NOT the words of God the Almighty.

        And no, you have NO RIGHT to command or demand or order me to do anything Leonard. But you should know these things. You will, of course, discount all of this evidence in favor of the lies of men and the lies of religions. You won’t of course check the ancient texsts themselves, and re-translated them and compare them to the KJV. It would require EFFORT on your part, and that’s something you aren’t willing to put forth simply to find something as trivial as the TRUTH. We wouldn’t want FACTS to get in the way of your beliefs, now would we.,

        • Leonard

          I KNEW you couldn’t prove it. Thanks for proving me right…

          • Emery

            Your comment “I KNEW you couldn’t prove it.” is nothing short of completely dishonest, since you KNOW no such thing. You have a very immature and childish tilt to ALL of your comments. Are you a young teenager by chance? Or younger? You certianly don’t carry on a rapport as a mature adult would. And I did prove it Leonard. You refuse facts, since they get in the way of your beliefs, which are based on falsehoods. Accuracy is your enemy. Truth is your nemesis. It probably makes you sick to your stomach to tell the truth or to accept the truth. I hope not, but it certainly APPEARS that way.

          • Leonard

            PROVE your claim that the KJV is corrupted, or tuck your tail between your legs and vamoose–as we say out west–like the lying, false “witness” that you are…

          • Emery

            AGAIN you PRETEND you have any ability or right to command or order others to do things, and display a tremendous amount of immaturity and childishness. Why, is anyone’s guess. Probably because you never learned mature adult behavior and speech. Who knows.

            And lying by claiming I am “the lying, false “witness” that you are…” only shows further complete dishonesty on your part. It only shows that Jesus was absolutely correct in saying people would do to us what you all did to him. You all even killed him. Jesus said it is an honorable thing to be so persecuted in his name, by those like you Leonard. And no, I won’t “vamoose” or “tuck my tail between my legs” since I have no tail, and I have no reason to do so. I have shown you a very few of the massive amount of inaccuracies in the KJV, yet you ignore them. Facts to you are like the flu. You do anything you can to avoid them, and to get rid of them. They are, as I earlier said, your enemy. Truth destroys your beliefs. You cannot maturely and honestly refute anything I’ve said, so you use ad-hominem attacks against me, rather than what I am talking about. You have no defense, so you attack me personally. Very mature Leonard. Oh, is that you mommy telling you to get off of her computer in her basement where you live? I think it might be. You better go now.

        • Leonard

          Emery, YOU have made the claim that the King James Bible is corrupted–not me. Now, I expect you to back up your claim with PROOF. If you cannot, then that makes you a LIAR, doesn’t it–a “False Witness” as it were. No more deflections, no more redirections of arguments ,no more unproven claims. The proof, please…

          • Emery

            Stop being such a knucklehead Leonard. I gave you proof. What you EXPECT is of NO concern to me. You are nothing to me. You can expect till the cows come home, but you will continue to expect forever I suppose. I take no commands or orders from you Leonard. You’re just some schmuck on a blog who behaves like a little child. You think I take orders from someone like that? Not hardly. No, it doesn’t make me ANYTHING, much less a liar, or false witness or anything else. It SHOWS that I don’t take orders from schmucks on a blog, that’s all. I have provided you with proof, but you ignore it. You are deflecting, and redirecting and making completely unproven claims, not me. I gave you proof of a few of the errors in the KJV. They are proof Leonard. Look up Gehenna, Hades, Sheol, and pneumos and parousia in ANCIENT KOINE GREEK, not in a lexicon that is falsely translated, not in a Bible that is falsely translated, and NOT in Strong’s KJV based concordance., Look it up from the ancient texts and TRANSLATE it Leonard. It is you who spout lies about God, Jesus, and the scriptures on this blog that is the false witness, and liar, and deflector and redirector Leonard. You accuse others of exactly what you are guilty of. This is a pattern with you. That is extremely dishonest behavior.

          • Emery

            I have made NO claims, I have stated a fact. Two different things, claims and stating facts.

          • Leonard

            Emery, aren’t you here to “win” souls? Don’t you realize that you have to PROVE our Bible is corrupted before you can sway us to your side? Isn’t that why members of JW come knocking on people’s doors–to win souls? Well…WHERE’S YOUR PROOF? Don’t waste bandwidth with any more name calling or deflecting or bragging about what you’ve allegedly studied/learned. Answer the question. WHERE’S YOUR PROOF? Or, you can get thee behind us, I guess…

          • Emery

            Win souls? Soul is a synonym for life. Why would I want to “win lives”? That’s just weird Leonard. No, I am not here to win anything. I am not trying to “sway” anyone to anything, except to search for the truth. God’s witnesses knock on doors to bring the Kingdom message to all, and to proclaim Jehovah’s name, as scripture commands us ALL to do, in order to be real Christians. I am not here to obey your commands, nor am I here to “prove” anything. I only strive to cause people to look for the truth. None exists on most of these blog sites.

        • Leonard

          In other words, you have no proof that the King James Bible is corrupted. That’s why you keep deflecting. You don’t address the proof that’s needed to support your claim. You address other issues, instead. You’ve been beaten like a red headed mule, here, False Witness. Own it…

          • Emery

            I have loads of proof. I never have deflected. I made no claims, I stated facts. I’ve not been “beaten”, and I am not a “false witness”. Those are the things you are guilty of, and to deflect, you accuse me of your crimes. And I’ve never seen a red headed mule. I believe that you are either in serious psychological trouble, are extremely immature and young, or you have not taken your meds, or a combination of the three. You have been given your proof and PRETEND you haven’t. You are an apostate and I am not required to give you ANYTHING, neither do I take or obey commands from you. Can you not move out of your parent’s basement and get a job or something? Must you annoy and attack God’s lifelong servants? Must you insult and deride God and Jesus? What is WRONG with you Leonard? Whatever it is, it REQUIRES immediate attention by professionals.

          • Leonard

            You just deflected again, False Witness! You accuse me of living in a basement, you accuse me of having psychiatric problems, none of which I asked you about. But, you STILL haven’t come up with the proof that the King James Bible is corrupted. Red Headed Mule, indeed…

          • Emery

            I accused you of nothing. I made conclusions based on your behavior. IF you are actually and adult, then you do have psychological problems, as mature well adjusted adults do not behave as you have. You send up warning flags with every post that any psychiatrist would take quick note of. You deflect and accuse me of it. I gave you the proof you continue to PRETEND you didn’t already read, yet you replied to the post in which it was included. And you continue to talk about a “red headed mule” as if such a thing existed. I think there’s more to that than meets the eye, like obsessing. You behave as a “false witness” and accuse me of it. Which is further proof of you being one. Go play with your Barbie dolls and stop annoying God’s servants Leonard. Your repetitive maladjusted ranting about mules and witnesses is getting tired. Do you behave this way around those you see regularly? Do they not take note of the abnormality of it?

          • Leonard

            Emery, you have again dodged the question deflecting to more accusations of my mental instability, and now claiming to have already shown me the proof, and crying about Red Headed Mules. You haven’t provided ANY proof, False Witness. Now, quit stalling, and show us all the PROOF that the King James Bible is corrupted.

          • Emery

            Another clue. You think you are more than one person. What is the other person’s names Leonard?

        • Leonard

          False Witness, why are you wasting my time with more idiotic questions about alternate identities? I didn’t ask for idiotic questions, I asked for THE PROOF YOU CLAIM TO HAVE THAT THE KING JAMES BIBLE IS CORRUPTED. Obviously, you DON’T have any proof, you’re just lying, as false witnesses will.

          • Emery

            Since you are not stable, and you are obsessed, and you ignore Jesus’ teachings completely and totally as regards behavior and speech toward one another, it’s best if I ignore you.

            Consider this next time you decide to be derisive, persecutorial, dishonest, and obsessed with another of God’s servants:
            Proverbs 15:28 The heart of the righteous one meditates before answering,
            But the mouth of the wicked blurts out bad things.

        • Leonard

          Where is your “proof”, false witness? You keep wasting time and bandwidth with deflections and changing the argument with childish accusations about mental stability, yet you don’t show your alleged “proof”. It IS because you’re lying, right? You have no proof, and never did. Just another lying JW False Witness…

    • CRISSY

      So , you consider yourself a good person ? Yes or no will suffice , thank you.

  • Allan Rowley

    The Elohim/God of the Bible is Spirit. So is Lucifer. One would expect the “mark” to be spiritual.

    So what does the Bible discern………………….Is it a micro chip or is it a spiritual mark?

    Rev 13: 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
    16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
    17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
    18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

    Revelations 13:15 tells us that we will worship an “image.” What image – of the beast, which beast, as there are two?
    12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
    13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,…

    The answer maybe in Daniel 7:25 “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.”

    Which religion/power has changed the times/Feasts and the law? Roman Christianity! That is the first Beast.

    We need to know what spiritual sign the true believers or “saints” have that “sets them apart.” The answer is in Revelations………….

    The Seal of The Kingdom of Yahuah is clearly defined both in The Torah and The Yahushaic Covenant (New Testament).
    Let us first define exactly what that seal is. The Seal of Yahuah is quite literally His Name and the knowledge that He alone is Elohim/God and it is “written” on the foreheads (a metaphor for knowledge) as a SEAL over the minds of those who will inhabit His Kingdom:
    Revelation 3: 12 “Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God (those sealed will become The Temple of Yahuah). Never again will he (Yahuah) leave it (that Spiritual Temple). I will write on him (who overcomes) the name of my God (Yahuah)”
    Revelation 7:3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God (Yahuah).”
    Revelation 9:4 “They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God (Yahuah) on their foreheads.”
    Revelation 22:4 “They will see his face, and his name (Yahuah) will be (written/sealed) on their foreheads.”

    True believers, those born again and following after Yahusha and not the world have the seal of Yhuah/YHWH on their foreheads – they are “set apart.”

    So what would the Beasts mark be? A microchip? If we are told we have a choice yet they are going to put microchips in babies – non starter!

    The number 666 in our English Bibles is misleading as it only represented the gematria or the associated number of what John actually wrote in Greek letters , , and , (Chi, Xi and Sigma). Translators converted the Greek letters into the number 666 because they mistranslated the meaning of the Greek word arithmos in Rev. 13 as “number”. Then they subtracted and added 666.
    What John was shown in Revelation 13 was a vision of the mark, the symbol of the serpent, the pictogram, and the monogram of Jesus Christ. John did not see nor write a number. The symbol John saw was a symbol for Jesus Christ which is called a Christogram.
    That symbol is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christogram
    A Christogram is a monogram or combination of Greek letters that forms an abbreviation for the name of Jesus Christ, traditionally used as a Christian symbol. Christogram comes from the Latin phrase “Christi Monogramma”, meaning “monogram of Christ”.
    Different types of Christograms are associated with the various traditions of Christianity
    Jesus Christ is the “anti” Messiah
    XESsus ( ), IHS, XS, X… a.k.a Hesus Horus Krishna a.k.a. Jesus Christ is the false messiah:
    • Jesus is the earthly pig who came in the name of Zeus – YAHusha came in the name of YAHuah and is The Salvation of Yahuah
    • Jesus abolished the law – Yahusha transposed The Law to The Kingdom of Yahuah.
    • Jesus is the pig sacrifice of Ishtar (Easter) – Yahusha is The Passover Lamb of Yahuah
    • Jesus’ holy day is Dias Solis (day of the sungod) – Yahusha is king of the Sabbath and kept the 4th Commandment
    • Jesus is God incarnate – Yahusha is the first born son of Yahuah
    • Jesus’ holy days are the Babylonian festivals – Yahusha kept the Festivals of Yahuah
    • Jesus was born on in winter December 25 the Babylonian festival of the “rebirth of the sun” – Yahusha was born on the Feast of Tabernacles in the Fall
    Soon Sunday worship will be legalised. Then the persecution starts of the true believers and Jews, a repeat of the inquisition in Spain.
    Do not be deceived, their is NO easy escape, No pretrib rapture. The Messiah wants to weed out the luke-warm believers.
    Either you are living for the Messiah Yahusha or the world/Lucifer – the testing is coming.

    • Emery

      Very commendable and insightful commentary. I agree with a lot of what you said there. I don’t agree that any rapture takes place, as that is a misunderstanding of another event. I agree that there is no physical “mark of the beast”, as most on this sight militantly defend. Yes, one either deliberately worships and obeys God the Almighty, or by default worships Satan. There exist no other choices. I disagree with your understanding of “born again” though.

      • Jim Black

        Greetings Ememry,

        I have making other posts that haven’t been posted with regard to our discussions. Oh well, that’s how it goes:)
        Just curious, but how do you characterize 1 Thes. 4:15-17?

        Lord bless

        • Emery

          Greetings Jim;
          I characterize that quotation as very good news for the remnant of the 144,000. I also characterize it as the primary scriptures that through an inability of those from whom the veil of Satan prevents them from understanding it, mistakenly believe it is some fictitious “rapture of the church”, when it is nothing of the sort. It is the remnant of the 144,000 alive during the tribulation being taken to heaven to be with Jesus, to fight the final battle, and then co-rule the Kingdom with Jesus, from heaven. Since only a tiny few people understand it, meaning less than ten million, they “interpret” it, which is a sin, and then claim it means something it doesn’t, like a make believe rapture of the church.

          Is this helpful?

          • Jim Black

            Well, not really, Emery. There is nothing before the Revelation that mentions the 144,00, so I was wondering how you come up with this view. I see nothing in the Revelation that records them being taken to heaven. Do you? In my view, the 144,000 will remain on earth during the tribulation but protected by God. When it’s over, they will stand with Jesus on Mt. Zion (Rev. 14:1). It’s clear, to me, that these Jews were not taken up to heaven. But I am open to any scriptures that says they were.

            In Phil. 3:20,21, Paul writes, “But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who by the power that enables Him to bring everything under His control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like His glorious body.” If you understand 1 Thes. 4:15-17 to be applied to the 144,000, then you would have to apply these verses in Philipians because it is the same event. So, do you think Paul was just writing about the 144,000?

            Lord bless

    • Pam


      • Emery

        Revalation means revealed. Are you intimating that only ONE THING was revealed to John? It was COUNTLESS revalations given him while a prisoner on the penal island of Patmos in his last years of his Earthly course.

        • Jim Black

          Would both of you please spell it right: Revelation:)

        • Does John say that he was a prisoner? I can’t find where he did. Can you cite the verse so I can find it, please?

          After his brother, James, is killed in Acts 12:2 (43 a.d.), I don’t think we ever read of Luke mentioning him again in the book of Acts.

          Maybe he fled to Patmos to escape the persecution. Patmos is just a few miles across the Aegean Sea from the 7 churches of Asia, to whom he wrote the Revelation. The Lycus valley, which included Laodicea and Colosse and Hieropolis, was destroyed by an earthquake in 61 a.d.

          This brings a few questions: if Paul’s letter to the Colossians was written from his imprisonment in Rome, did Paul not know that Colosse and Laodicea had been destroyed? or, was the letter to the Colossians written during his imprisonment in Caesarea? What about John’s Revelation to the 7 churches? If 2 of them had been destroyed in 61, how much rebuilding could have been done by 95, the presumed year he wrote it (though the temple and Jerusalem had been destroyed for 25 years (making this highly unlikely as the date of the Revelation)), and why would he have included them in his letter, or did he not know the Lycos valley had been destroyed by an earthquake?

          • John persecuted at Patmos for the testimony for Jesus Christ ( Revelation 1:9 ).

      • Emery

        To be accurate, it is titled “A revelation to John”.

  • CHAR

    Leonard, I had to laugh when you told Emery he’s like a red headed mule. That’s a good one. You are at least the 10th or 12th person to spar with Emery. He must have absolutely nothing else to do but to try and hook people on this website into his diatribe. It’s his daily M.O. He’ll find another person soon that will go a few rounds with him (after you let him go) because you’d be better off talking to a wall. I pray for him, as do many others on this website, but he seems to be VERY stiff necked and will NOT listen to anything. He just enjoys bantering, so good luck, Leonard. You will soon be dusting your feet off and moving on like we all have. Blessings!

    • Leonard

      Thank you Cher, for your kindness and your blessings! I’ve engaged Emery before–he posts on other sights, too. Here, he’s trapped himself. He claims he can prove KJV is corrupted–though he can’t–and I’m not letting him off without holding his feet to the fire…

    • Emery

      Hook people Char? Hook them how, and with what, and for what purpose would I “hook” people? You have quite an imagination. Diatribe? No, truth, yes. If you try to get me to forsake my integrity to God, then yes, talking to a wall would be as productive. Nothing you can teach me from a religion is worth teaching, since none of it is true. Nothing you can teach me from a falsely translated Bible is worth teaching, since it’s falsely translated. God doesn’t listen to your prayers, since you don’t obey Him. So don’t pray for me, it’s a waste of your time. I don’t “enjoy bantering” either Char. You enjoy attacking, and deriding though. You seem to LOVE it in fact. Dust your feet all you want, but that scripture doesn’t apply to you since you are a religionist and use false translations of God’s word. All you do, so called in the name of God, is pointless, since it’s not true. You refuse to respect God’s word, and instead respect man’s word, and that of religions, all of which are false in God’s eyes.

      • Leonard

        Where’s the “proof”, Emery? You’ve got time to lie to Char, time to lie to Jim, but no time to provide that “proof” that you claim to have that the King James Bible is corrupted? What DOES it take, False Witness? FYI, I have the New Testament in the original Greek with a word-for-word English translation. Everything you said to Jim is also a lie. Is ANYTHING you post here NOT a lie?

        • Emery

          Lie? I NEVER lie Leonard. Your claim that I do is a lie in itself. You already have your proof. False witness? No, I am not a false witness, and never have been, nor ever will be Leonard. You are a false witness, telling lies as you have in the above post. Nothing I’ve said is a lie. Nothing I post is a lie. All you post, it appears, IS a lie Leonard. Now go away and play with your Barbie dolls.

          • Leonard

            NEVER lie? How about the lie about having proof that the King James Bible is corrupt? That MUST be a lie, since you’ve failed to provide it after claiming that you have it. When you knowingly claim to have something that you DON’T have, it’s called “lying”. Now, put up or shut up, False Witness!

          • Emery

            Take your meds Leonard and go play. Maybe you could dress up like mommy today.

          • Leonard

            Deflecting again, False Witness? Still no proof? You no longer have any credibility. You said you had proof that the King James Bible is corrupted, yet you fail to present it. Will you ever stop lying? You no longer even reference this point–just keep fantasizing about Barbie Dolls. You are a liar and a fake…

          • Emery

            My name is not “false witness”, nor am I a false witness Leonard. You are one who hides from the truth like your life depends on it, and avoids telling it like a prostitute hides from the police. Credibility? My toenail clippings have more credibility than you will have in your entire life. You’re quite the hypocrite Leonard. Failed to provide proof of the KJV being a falsely translated copy of God’s word? Not at all. I can’t stop doing something that I never began doing in the first place. Never began lying, therefore cannot stop, having not started. I am not a liar, and not a fake. You, however, should really consider addressing your psychological issues, as they are making you look like an obsessive compulsive frantic psychotic. Abilify may help. Ask your psychiatrist. Whatevever you do, GO AWAY and stop annoying your superiors, elders, and servants of Jehovah God. You’re not even half my age. Do you not know that you are supposed to respect your elders? You are supposed to acquire Godly wisdom also, and have failed at both. GO AWAY and play somewhere else. Annoy someone else.

          • So how come you haven’t commented on our JW article from a few days ago? Thought you would love to go there and defend your false teachings. Guess you didn’t have the courage of your convictions.

          • Leonard

            Emery, your name IS False Witness. Once again, you spend more effort and time trying to create a new deflection, and NOT address the issue of providing the proof you claimed you have that the King James Bible is corrupt. I don’t care what you think my age is, I don’t care what you think my state of mind is, I don’t even care if you “think” you’re somehow “superior” to me or anyone else. I only care that you SHOW THE PROOF you claim you have, OR ADMIT THAT YOU’RE A LIAR. Everyone reading this exchange now knows you have no proof. If you’re lying about the King James Bible, I think it’s fair for all of us to assume you’re lying about everything you comment on. But then, what else would a False Witness do?

          • Emery

            A quote: “Emery, your name IS False Witness.” My how you contradict yourself. What you care about doesn’t concern me. Go somewhere else and be concerned.

          • Leonard

            Liar, where is your proof?

          • Emery

            Proof that you violate the terms of use of this blog? That you are a stalker? That you ignore facts and are obsessed and imbalanced? It’s all here in your many posts Leonard. It’s all here in your many posts.

          • Leonard

            Liar, you can easily get rid of me by providing the proof YOU said you had that the King James Bible is corrupt, or you can simply admit that you’re lying. Then, I’ll just go away, as there won’t be any issue between us. UNTIL you do one or the other, you’ll never get rid of me. I won’t let you get away with this lie, False Witness….

    • Leigh

      Hey sis, my opinion on Emery is to not respond to him anymore, like AT ALL. No one on this site should, he just likes to argue. No one will sway his thinking, I think if the truth fell from the sky and landed on his head he would still deny it. He has probably had the truth presented to him close to a thousand times on this site alone yet refuses to listen, we should shake our hands and just leave him to his own thoughts and beliefs.
      God bless sis!

  • Andre_C

    Leonard. I have also gone through the whole exchange between you and “the false witness.”
    I can’t see any proof being provided that the KJV is corrupt.

    Looks like you have him in the fire here…….

    • Leonard

      I hope he is feverishly studying now to find that corruption, and when he fails to find it, perhaps–we can only pray–he will find the truth.

  • DSClev

    It would be difficult to refuse the mark if the lives of your loved ones, kids, spouse, parents, were being threatened if you didn’t.

    • Yes one would find it difficult to refuse the mark in that situation. However let us not forget that the Anti-Christ will be empowered by Satan who is the thief who comes to steal, kill and destroy ( John 10:10 ). The Devil would still kill them.

  • It’s not an actual mark. It is a literary picture of taking on a spirit that is against Christlike thoughts and Christlike actions.

    Taking on the “mark of the beast” speaks of those who chose to obey the Mosaic law for their righteousness and rejected Christ as the Messiah. At the time, if one from the priesthood in the temple chose to believe that Jesus was the Messiah, they were starved by high priesthood of the tithes and offerings which were to be their sustenance. Those who chose to remain in the good standing of the High Priest in order to avoid persecution and continue to receive their “wages” were considered to have taken the mark (thoughts and actions) of the beast (apostate Judaism). It doesn’t apply to you, unless you are a first century Jew. The Mosaic law never applied to Gentiles, and it even ceased for Jews at Calvary.

    • Emery

      Spot on the mark, but it ALSO applies to any Christians, or anyone else who clings to the spirit of the world, and not the complete armor of God. It’s one who does not obey ALL of God’s and Jesus’ commands today.

  • Greetings Emery. As you know, since Christ’s death at Calvary, nobody is under the old, Mosaic covenant. It ceased…even for Jews. It’s over and will never return, or else the sacrifice of Messiah (God Himself as a man (Acts 20:28 says God purchased us with his own blood) was moot. Jesus said He came to fulfill the law and the prophets. Those who are drawn by God to know His doctrine of salvation through Christ are now under the law of Christ, not the law of Moses. That is defined by Jesus as “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and your neighbor as yourself.” That is agape love, and cannot be done without the help of the Holy Spirit. One is either in Christ, having His mark (a circumcision of the heart and His law written on our heart), or not in Christ…having the spirit of anti-christ.

    The mark of the beast seems, to me, to be a separate antichrist notion. It would be one that believes he can find favor with God by trying to be “good” and keep the Mosaic commandments in order to be pleasing to God (the laws written on stone). Never, in all the bible, did anyone gain righteousness by keeping the law. If one of the laws is broken, all are considered broken. Abraham lived prior to the law, and he gained righteousness by faith in believing that God could bring life out of the old bodies of him (he?) and Sarah. David lived under the law, yet he gained righteousness by faith and found himself impossibly unable to keep the law. At Calvary the law ceased, and at the judgment, all the temple system associated with the Mosaic covenant ended, and, I believe, will never again be seen (it would make Christ’s sacrifice of no worth). That’s why God allowed the dome of the rock to be built right on the spot of the old temple. The temple is not needed, for Jesus dwells in the temple of our hearts. The mark of the beast, imo, belongs to those that try and attain righteousness through the old covenant (apostate Judaism).

    So, are we under the 600 various laws? No (even Jer 3:1 in the OT did away with Deut 24). Yet, if the Spirit of Christ is abiding in us and we are abiding within the Law of Christ, will we harm our neighbor? or steal from him? or commit adultery with his wife? or seek divorce instead of reconciliation? Will we live in a sinful lifestyle, all the while believing Christ is indwelling us and condoning our rebellion? Of course not. That would be taking the name of the Lord in vain. The grace granted us in Christ is Him living “in” us by the Holy Ghost, enabling us to “want” to be obedient to God in the same way Christ was obedient, and that grace will empower us to do it joyfully. Yes?

    • Emery

      Greeting to you too tip top;
      Realize, that not profaning the Lord God’s name, Jehovah, is not referring to Jesus, but to his Father, Jehovah. No, we’re not under the 600 or so Mosaic Law Covenant laws, but they are PRINCIPLES by which we must now abide by. We shouldn’t lie, steal, kill, fornicate, adulterate, etc. We shouldn’t divorce for any reason other than sexual immorality on the part of the partner, and so on. There is no holy “ghost” either, it’s Jehovah’s spirit. The word “ghost” nor any word translating into that word never existed in the first century. Jesus is not God, but God’s only begotten SON.

      We must imitate not only Jehovah God, but Jesus the messiah ALSO. We must walk in his footsteps. Meaning we are not to be part of ANY religion of mankind, nor use a falsely translated copy of God’s word either. We must ONLY do what God’s word says, not what ANY religion of man says or teaches. That means death otherwise. Walking in Jesus’ footsteps means being part of NO religion of man, nor being part of any political anything, including voting, no government working, no military, no immoral sex, no entertainment depicting what Jehovah hates, like violence, sex, gambling, etc. No believing in pagan beliefs like immortal soul, hellfire, cross, trinity, no pagan holidays like easter, birthdays, Christmas, and no flag saluting, no nationalistic anything. The ONLY thing to which we must give allegiance of any kind is God the Father.

  • Man, I wish this wasn’t so difficult for you, yet I see why. Your nwt translation from the minority texts doesn’t allow you to see that Jesus is God.

    28 Pay attention to yourselves+ and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers,+ to shepherd the congregation of God,+ which he purchased with the blood of his own Son.

    The majority texts say this:

    28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

    So, I see where we differ in our beliefs. The translators of the minority texts didn’t believe in the deity of Christ. Neither Westcott nor Hort believed Jesus was God. You, clearly, don’t believe, or don’t want to believe, in the deity of Christ either. I’m not sure why one wouldn’t want to believe it, unless you would rather rely upon your own works for your righteousness. I pray that you would be allowed to know.

    When Jesus was out on the water and calmed the wind and the sea, the disciples ask…”What manner of man is this that even the wind and the sea obey him?” You see, that’s evidence to them, and to us, that Jesus is the creator of the land and the sea. He gave them a glimpse that He is God.

    In your studies this weekend, ask the Holy Spirit to show that Jesus is, indeed, God. He had power over the elements, over the physical bodies of men, over the spirits, over all things. He made wine out of water, a feast out of a few fish. That is not the work of a “special” man. That is the work of the creator. I hope you can let down your guard to see the beauty of the story. God could have killed them all at any time and began again, with a new set of players. Instead, His plan had always been to be their redemption. He became the sacrifice!

    • Emery

      Difficult for me? DIFFICULT FOR ME? HA! It’s NOT “difficult” for me you knucklehead. You don’t pay attention, do you? The NWT “doesn’t allow” me to see that Jesus is God? Even more rediculous. It is the ONLY 100% completely accurate translation, as compared to ALL of the ancient texts that exist to date. YOU, however, rely on a translation with OVER 20,000 DELIBERATELY MISTRANSLATED WORDS, and on that has ALL BUT ELIMINATED the personal name of God, Jehovah. It only occurs 4 times in the KJV, but it occurs 7,210 times in the ancient texts.

      Now, for the part where you “pay no attention”, I’ve stated that I only first saw the NWT five years ago. I started studying the word of God 45 years ago, when learning how to translate ancient Koine Greek, and ancient Hebrew, into English, and then make understandable sentences out of the English. A few years into that endeavor, is when I learned that JESUS IS NOT GOD, he is GOD’S ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. Look up the root word for begotten, beget. See what it means. Your claim that Jesus is his own father, and his own son, simultaneously, is so rediculous as to indicate severe learning issues. Those things are IMPOSSIBLE. The concept INVALIDATES thousands of sentences through the word of God as well. So many scriptures indicate that Jesus is God’s created son, that you would have to IGNORE them in order to believe what you do, or be insane. Either way, it’s a HUGE problem. Since NO SCRIPTURE CONFLICTS WITH ANY OTHER SCRIPTURE, you are MISUNDERSTANDING many of them. The problem is YOU, not God and His word. He didn’t contradict Himself, you MISUNDERSTAND Him.

      And one doesn’t ask God’s spirit for anything. His spirit is not alive. One asks GOD for His spirit. One asks God to do things with that spirit. What you claim, is no different than praying to electricity to show you something. Simply absurd what you claim. Simply absurd.

      • The Messiah had to be God to fulfill His laws, yet man to take the sins of men. That’s why animals were not sufficient to atone for sin. To the Jews a stumbling block, and to the gentiles foolishness. That’s the way you described it…foolishness. Take heed of your own words and ask yourself why they are being revealed for all to see and read. Tread lightly. Peace.

        • Emery

          Not ONE WORD of scripture says that Jesus had to be God, to fulfill God’s law covenant with Israel. That is your OWN fiction. Jesus had to be a PERFECT man to pay the ransom, since a PERFECT man caused the problem in the first place, Adam.

          Animals weren’t suficient, because they were NOT a perfect human, as Adam, and Jesus were. The law covenant was a TEMPORARY measure to bring man to the messiah. You used the word “foolishness”, not me. I said absurd. Illogical. What is being “revealed”, as you claim? It’s probably not what is REALLY being revealed, gradually, by God the Almighty.

      • Leonard

        Emery, you lying son of satan, are you lying about the King James Bible AGAIN? You claimed to have “proof” that it was corrupted, yet when I asked for that proof, you just call names, and deflect the question. Now you’re up to your little tricks again! Provide your proof, liar, or STFU!

        • Emery

          You cannot change the fact that YOU are a liar, by calling someone else a liar. It doesn’t work. I gave you tons of proof. You chose, psychopathologically, to ignore that proof. I am a son of God, and god is not Satan, the one whom you work for and worship. Go away, mind your own business. Get help. Take your meds. Be silent.

          • Leonard

            Emery, you lying son of satan, you’re now lying about LYING! Amazing. You said you gave proof, but it’s ANOTHER lie–you gave no proof because you have none. STFU, liar…

  • Emery

    You are a psychopathic liar and stalker, therefore your emails are deleted unread.

  • Oy! Yes, I would doubt your bible says much about it.

    It turns out the bible of the God is Israel actually makes it plain:

    Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
    6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
    7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
    8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

    Wait, there’s more:

    John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?


    2 Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
    20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.
    21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    Blessings Bro! God made himself man to atone for the sins of man! Praise God! He shed His own blood through the body of Christ Jesus to redeem us back to Himself! Believe and you shall receive!

    • Emery

      You quoted a lot of scriptures, and they are incorrectly typed, or incorrectly translated.

      The Phillippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
      This ACTUALLY says, if you translate from ancient Koine into English, says “who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God”. He was saying he NEVER thought to be “equal to God”.

      The John 14:9 scripture doesn’t say Jesus is his own father, it says that he is EXACTLY LIKE his Father. If you see Jesus, you see exactly what the Father is LIKE. Not that if you see Jesus you see the Father. EXODUS 33: 20 But he added: “You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.”
      NO ONE can see God and LIVE. If Jesus were God, why didn’t everyone who saw him die? You contradict scriptures tiptop.

      2 Corinthians 5:19 namely, that God was by means of Christ reconciling a world to himself, not counting their offenses against them, and he entrusted to us the message of the reconciliation
      He was speaking of a RECONCILIATION, NOT saying Jesus is God.

      2 Corinthians 5:20 Therefore, we are ambassadors substituting for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us. As substitutes for Christ, we beg: “Become reconciled to God.”

      This doesn’t say Jesus is God either. They are saying they are ambassadors, doing what Christ would do, in his absence, as though God were appealing through them. As substitutes for God, they are begging them to become reconciled to God, NOT saying Jesus IS God.

      And in 2 Corinthians 5:21 The one who did not know sin, he made to be sin for us, so that by means of him we might become God’s righteousness.
      it says that God MADE Jesus to BE sin, FOR US, so by means of that, we can become righteous toward God. It’s not saying we can become righteous toward JESUS. Nor does it in any way say Jesus is God.

      JESUS IS NOT GOD, GOD IS NOT JESUS. GOD CREATED JESUS. JESUS was born human after God, his Father, sent his life force into Mary’s womb. God was NOT BORN BY MARY, JESUS was.

      Believing what you posted is heresy, blasphemy, grieving the spirit (the ONLY unforgiveable sin), and it INSULTS God and Jesus. It INSULTS the sacrifice God made in sending His son to die, and it insults Jesus, saying it wasn’t him, it was his Father that “died”. NO TRINITY EXISTS. It’s a PAGAN belief INJECTED into Christendom, the empire of false religions FALSELY claiming to be Christian. NO RELIGION OF MAN IS RELIGION. There exists only ONE religion, and Jesus taught it. NO RELIGION OF MAN teaches or believes or practices what Jesus taught, as he taught it. Jesus TAUGHT AGAINST religions, and GOD warned all to FLEE from them or share in their punishments. The trinity doctrine is pagan, NOT CHRISTIAN. It’s NOT SCRIPTURAL either. It’s the TEACHINGS OF MEN, and NOT a teaching of God, and not found ANYWHERE in the scriptures.

      • I’m going to hell with Paul, then. If I have to choose between Paul and Emery, I’m going with Paul. If I’m guilty of the unforgivable sin, then Paul is guilty of it also.

        So, one of you is wrong. Is it Paul? None of his Jewish brothers believed him either…just as you don’t. That’s why he took the vow at Cenchrea, to help them believe that what he said was the truth. I’m sticking it out with him.

        Philippians 2 couldn’t be more clear as it is written. Paul is clear in Acts 20:28 also…

        28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God,…. which he hath purchased with his own blood.

        Couldn’t be more clearly spelled out.

        1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
        who is the word? John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

        You think and type like a Pharisee. Where is the mark said to be located?

        • Emery

          Paul isn’t, or didn’t go to hell, since he was one of the annointed 144,000. When he died, he was instantly resurrected as a spirit person, and went to heaven. The 144,000 are the ONLY ones to ever go to heaven, since humans don’t have an immortal soul. That is another pagan belief, and is not scriptural, OR CHRISTIAN. No hell of fire and torment exists either. It is the “common grave of mankind”. And God and Satan don’t cooperate to tempt people into sin, and then letting Satan take them and torture them. Paul was not guilty of greiving the spirit, but what you posted indicates that you are.

          Your Bible is falsely translated and is very twisted. Hell appears ONLY ONCE in the ancient texts from which the Bibles are translated. Paul nor I are/were wrong, your take on the falsely translated scriptures is wrong. I posted the correct translation, but you ignore it. Check the ancient texts and translate them into English and you can clearly see this. Don’t rely on Strong’s either. It’s NOT based on the ancient texts, it’s based on the KJV only. Strange of them to do that. The word “ghost” does NOT ever appear in ANY of the ancient texts from which the KJV was translated., The translators CHANGED 20,000 words to things they do not translate into. They did it to deceive. And since you cling to it so tightly, YOU are deceived tiptop. THOROUGHLY deceived. You don’t know how I think, and no Pharisee ever typed. If they did, then EVERYONE types like them, since there is only one way to type. I post ONLY the word of God, and what it truly says, not what the king named James the First says, which is what you rely on. You are relying on MEN and NOT on God. Is that a good idea?

          • That’s right, Paul isn’t in hell, but somehow you don’t believe what he said about Christ. And he wasn’t one of the 144,000. It’s highly likely with Paul’s Pharisee position and family wealth that he was married at some point, then either divorced for his faith in Christ, or widowed. It would have been a disgrace to his father if he had not found him a bride. So, it’s not likely that Paul was a virgin, which is what the 144,000 are said to be.

            As to the KJV, it’s time you put down the crack pipe. You’ve yet to provide any substantial evidence for your criticism, while you purport the minority texts, which were outright rejected by any and all scholars when then were discovered. Outside of punctuation errors, the KJV as translated by Barclay into English is accurate.

            Peace out, bro. Gotta get to a baseball game.

          • Emery

            The “virgin” reference regarding the 144,000 is figurative, and not literal. Yes, Paul, and ten others of the apostles are of the 144,000. And no, the entire 144,000 are not all of Israel either, that too is figurative.

            As far as the KJV goes, there is no “crack pipe”, and I don’t appreciate your “leonard-ish” speech. He is a moron and NOT one who even TRIES to practice the bahavior all Christians are required to display. Not even one little iota. And it’s not “my” Bible tiptop. It is God’s. And NOTHING is falsely translated or twisted in it, in fact it is 100% completely accurate as compared to ALL of the ancient texts from which all Bibles are translated. Paul wasn’t wrong, but you are. My take on the KJV being a false translation is completely accurate. You posted falsely translated scriptures. It seems that you don’t care one tiny bit about taking in ACCURATE information about God daily, AS HE COMMANDED US TO DO.

            Scholars? They are ALL religiously tainted, and ALL religions of man are false. Translating James the First’s Bible into English isn’t the problem, it’s the KJV as James the First had it created, changing it to match the beliefs of the Church of England. He didn’t try to accurately translate God’s word. In fact, he assembled it more than he translated it, and he changed it drastically. If you were honest enough to want to know accurately the word of God, you wouldn’t off hand make your rediculous claims that it’s accurate. And I don’t have to provide anyone with anything. It’s not my job. It’s YOUR job to check for yourself. I am not here to do YOUR work. And I’m not “criticizing” the KJV, I am stating facts. Big difference.

            And this if for Leonard: Go away, stop serving Satan, and stop trying to post anything for me to read, because it will go unread by me. None of your childish name calling, rediculous lies, or any of your unchristian and unChristlike behavior will have any purpose, since I will not read it. You’re a very mentally damaged person, and cannot take no for an answer, and you are a severe stalker. I have no desire to participate in your childish absurdities.

        • Leonard

          Howdy, Tiptop! Emery, after claiming to have proof that the KJV is “corrupted”, has refused to produce the proof he claims to have. He’s too cowardly to admit this to me, Perhaps you could ask him to produce that proof. He might give it to you, since he doesn’t read anything I post here…

      • Leonard

        Emery, you lying son of satan are you lying about the Bible, again? I have the original Greek translation. Philippians 2:6 translates to:To whom, though himself in the form of God, it did not seem that to take for oneself was to be like God;2 Corinthians 5:19: To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them, and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 2 Corinthians 5:20: Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God. 2 Corinthians 5:21 For He hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. John 14:9 translates into: Jesus said to him, Philip, have I been with you all this time, and still you have no knowledge of me? He who has seen me has seen the Father. Why do you say, Let us see the Father?
        By the way, where’s that “proof” you claim to have that the King James Bible is corrupt? Said you had it–now put up or shut up!

  • Emery wrote: “To whom, though himself in the form of God,…” Emery translation of Phil 2:6

    The KJV translation reads: “Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form of God,…”

    Is there anyone here who cannot see that those say the same, exact, thing?

    Can someone tell me how both of those don’t say that Paul believes Jesus is God? Both appear, clearly, to say Christ Jesus, in the form of God…..But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men (WHO WAS MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF MEN IF IT ISN’T GOD PAUL IS TALKING ABOUT?):
    8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself (WHO HUMBLED HIMSELF AFTER BEING FASHIONED AS A MAN IF IT WASN’T GOD PAUL IS TALKING ABOUT?), and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

    If Jesus wasn’t God, then WHO became made in the likeness of men, being fashioned as a man, to become obedient unto death on the cross for our sins? If Jesus was “just” a man, not God, then he didn’t need to be made in the “likeness” or “fashion” of a man…He would have already been a male man.

    The JWs are wrong regarding the deity of Christ. The translators of the minority texts (which are utilized for the NIV, the NASB, the NKJV, the NWT, the Catholic bible, and on and on) were wrong regarding the deity of Christ. Neither Westcott nor Hort believed in the deity of Christ. Stop reading their crappy translations of the minority texts. The minority texts were rejected as false. No matter how many new people try to translate them, they are still false and to be rejected.

    • Emery

      In the New World Translation Titus 2:13 reads: “While we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of [the] Savior of us, Christ Jesus.”
      However, many Bible translators have rendered the last part of the verse as if it meant only one person, Jesus. For example, An American Translation says: “. . . the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Christ Jesus.” Such translators often claim that this sort of rendering conforms to a “rule” of Greek grammar. Yet the Trinity doctrine also inclines them toward such a translation.
      A literal translation of the Greek phrase is, “glory of the great God and Saviour of us Christ Jesus.” (The Interlinear Greek-English New Testament, by Dr. Alfred Marshall) Observe that there is a single article (the) preceding two nouns (God, Savior) that are joined by the conjunction “and.”
      Over a century ago, Granville Sharp formulated what is supposed to be a “rule” applying in such constructions. It asserts that, since the article (the) is not repeated before the second noun (Savior), the two nouns refer to the same person or subject. This would mean that “great God” and “Savior” would both be descriptive of Jesus, as if the meaning were ‘of Jesus Christ, the great God and our Savior.’
      Persons inclined to believe in the deity of Jesus sometimes give the impression that the above position is demanded by proper Greek grammar. But that is not so. In fact, the validity of the “rule” being applied in Titus has been much debated by scholars.
      For example, Dr. Henry Alford (The Greek Testament, Vol. III) says: “No one disputes that it may mean that which they have interpreted it” as meaning, but he adds that one needs rather to determine ‘what the words do mean.’ And that cannot be settled by grammatical rules.
      A Grammar of New Testament Greek (Moulton-Turner, 1963) states about Titus 2:13: “The repetition of the art[icle] was not strictly necessary to ensure that the items be considered separately.” What, though, about ‘Sharp’s rule’? Dr. Nigel Turner admits: “Unfortunately, at this period of Greek we cannot be sure that such a rule is really decisive.” (Grammatical Insights into the New Testament, 1965) As to the Greek construction used, Professor Alexander Buttmann points out: “It will probably never be possible, either in reference to profane literature or to the N[ew] T[estament], to bring down to rigid rules which have no exception, . . .”—A Grammar of the New Testament Greek.
      In The Expositor’s Greek Testament, Dr. N. J. D. White observes: “The grammatical argument . . . is too slender to bear much weight, especially when we take into consideration not only the general neglect of the article in these epistles but the omission of it before” ‘Savior’ in 1 Timothy 1:1; 4:10. And Dr. Alford stresses that in other passages where Paul uses expressions like “God our Savior” he definitely does not mean Jesus, for “the Father and the Son are most plainly distinguished from one another.” (1 Tim. 1:1; 2:3-5) This agrees with the overall teaching of the Bible that Jesus is a created Son who is not equal to his Father.—John 14:28; 1 Cor. 11:3.
      Thus, Dr. White concludes: ‘On the whole, then, we decide in favour of the rendering of this passage, appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.’ A number of modern translations agree. In the main text or in footnotes they render Titus 2:13 as speaking of two distinct persons, “the great God” who is Jehovah, and his Son, “our Savior, Christ Jesus,” both of whom have glory. (Luke 9:26; 2 Tim. 1:10) See The New American Bible, The Authentic New Testament, The Jerusalem Bible (footnote) and the translations by J. B. Phillips, James Moffatt and Charles K. Williams.

      Trinitarians point to John 20:28 as proof that Jesus is God. There Thomas said (NW): “My Master and my God!” How can this argument be answered?—F. W., Philippine Republic.
      Jesus is a god. “God” means a strong one. Christ is called “The mighty God” at Isaiah 9:6, “a god” at John 1:1 (NW), and “the only-begotten god” at John 1:18 (NW). Jehovah is not the only god or strong one. The very fact that he is called the Almighty God indicates that there are other gods not so mighty, not almighty like him. So Thomas could call Jesus God, but not THE God, and three verses later Jesus is called “the Son of God,” as we read (NW): “But these have been written down that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, and that, because of believing, you may have life by means of his name.” So there was no objection to John’s reporting that Thomas addressed Jesus as a deity, and certainly John does not say that Thomas’ address to Jesus was to make us believe that Jesus was The God, but says it was to make us believe Jesus was God’s Son. In this same chapter (20:17, NW) Jesus said: “I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.” He was not ascending to himself.
      But now the trinitarians will say Thomas used the Greek definite article “the” (ho) before “God,” proving he called Jesus The God. The article “the” is in the nominative case in the Greek, but the word “God” here is in the vocative case and of such A. T. Robertson says in his A Grammar of the Greek New Testament in the Light of Historical Research, on page 461: “The article with the vocative in address was the usual Hebrew and Aramaic idiom, as indeed in Aristophanes we have ho pais akoloúthei. It is good Greek and good Aramaic too when we have Abbá ho patér (Mark 14:36) whether Jesus said one or both. In Matthew 11:26 (nai, ho patér) we have the vocative. When the article is used, of course the nominative form must occur. Thus in Rev. 18:20 we have both together, ourané kai hoi hágioi. Indeed the second member of the address is always in the nominative form. Thus Kýrie, ho Theós, ho pantokrátor (Rev. 15:3). Compare John 20:28.” Page 462: “When Thomas said Ho kýrios mou kai ho theós mou (John 20:28), he gave Christ full acceptance of his deity and of the fact of his resurrection.” Page 466: “In John 20:28 Thomas addresses Jesus as ho kýrios mou kai ho theós, the vocative like those above. Yet, strange to say, Winer calls this exclamation rather than address, apparently to avoid the conclusion that Thomas was satisfied as to the deity of Jesus by his appearance to him after the resurrection. Dr. E. A. Abbott follows suit also in an extended argument to show that kýrie ho theós is the LXX way of addressing God, not ho kýrios kai ho theós. But after he had written he appends a note to p. 95 to the effect that ‘this is not quite satisfactory. For [John] xiii. 13 phonéite me ho didáskalos kai ho kýrios, and Rev. 4:11 áxios ei, ho kýrios kai ho theós hemón, ought to have been mentioned above.’ This is a manly retraction, and he adds: ‘John may have used it here exceptionally.’ Leave out ‘exceptionally’ and the conclusion is just. If Thomas used Aramaic he certainly used the article. It is no more exceptional in John 20:28 than in Rev. 4:11.”
      So, since the use of the definite article was made before the form of address to anybody, Thomas’ use of the definite article does not force his use of God to mean The God, Jehovah. Jehovah was not begotten, but existed without beginning. But according to John 1:18 (NW) Christ was the only god or strong one directly begotten or created by Jehovah, however.
      So Jehovah is The God; Jesus Christ is one of many who are called gods. Satan is called “the god of this system of things,” Moses was said to be as god to Pharaoh, and in the Psalms men are called gods, and Jesus referred to this and argued that hence the Jews should not say he blasphemed when he said he was God’s Son. And the apostle Paul said there are many called gods. But to argue that these many different ones called gods are, by virtue of this fact, The God Jehovah would be absurd. Similarly, it is absurd to try to argue that Thomas’ reference to Jesus as god proves Jesus is The God, and doubly so when just three verses later Jesus is identified as God’s Son.—2 Cor. 4:4, NW; Ex. 7:1; Ps. 82:6; John 10:35; 1 Cor. 8:5.
      Incidentally, in view of the existence of so many called gods, does it not establish the need for The God, the Almighty God, to have a distinguishing name, that is, Jehovah?

      Tiptop, no, you are wrong. JW’s believe the WORD OF GOD, and not something they themselves came up with. God’s word says Jesus IS NOT HIS OWN FATHER, and that God, Jehovah, IS NOT HIS OWN SON.

      The central doctrine of religions of Christendom. According to the Athanasian Creed, there are three divine Persons (the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost), each said to be eternal, each said to be almighty, none greater or less than another, each said to be God, and yet together being but one God. Other statements of the dogma emphasize that these three “Persons” are not separate and distinct individuals but are three modes in which the divine essence exists. Thus some Trinitarians emphasize their belief that Jesus Christ is God, or that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are Jehovah. Not a Bible teaching.

      “Going a little farther he [Jesus Christ] fell on his face and prayed, ‘My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.’” (If the Father and the Son were not distinct individuals, such a prayer would have been meaningless. Jesus would have been praying to himself, and his will would of necessity have been the Father’s will.)

      John 8:17, 18, RS: “[Jesus answered the Jewish Pharisees:] In your law it is written that the testimony of two men is true; I bear witness to myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness to me.” (So, Jesus definitely spoke of himself as being an individual separate and distinct from the Father.)

      Jesus said in prayer: “Father, . . . this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.” (John 17:1-3, RS; italics added.) (Most translations here use the expression “the only true God” with reference to the Father. NE reads “who alone art truly God.” He cannot be “the only true God,” the one “who alone [is] truly God,” if there are two others who are God to the same degree as he is, can he? Any others referred to as “gods” must be either false or merely a reflection of the true God.)
      1 Cor. 8:5, 6, RS: “Although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many ‘gods’ and many ‘lords’—yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.” (This presents the Father as the “one God” of Christians and as being in a class distinct from Jesus Christ.)
      1 Pet. 1:3, RS: “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ!” (Repeatedly, even following Jesus’ ascension to heaven, the Scriptures refer to the Father as “the God” of Jesus Christ. At John 20:17, following Jesus’ resurrection, he himself spoke of the Father as “my God.” Later, when in heaven, as recorded at Revelation 3:12, he again used the same expression. But never in the Bible is the Father reported to refer to the Son as “my God,” nor does either the Father or the Son refer to the holy spirit as “my God.”)
      For comments on scriptures used by some in an effort to prove that Christ is God, see pages 212-216, under the heading “Jesus Christ.”
      In Theological Investigations, Karl Rahner, S.J., admits: “Θεός [God] is still never used of the Spirit,” and: “ὁ θεός [literally, the God] is never used in the New Testament to speak of the πνεῦμα ἅγιον [holy spirit].”—(Baltimore, Md.; 1961), translated from German, Vol. I, pp. 138, 143.

      • Yes, Emery, Jesus is the son of God. In order to atone for the sins of man, he had to be human. This is where we started several lines up. Since God was His father, not Joseph, Jesus was part God, part human (from Mary). No, Mary is not the mother of God, she is the human mother of the human person of Messiah (who already existed before He took on human form), because the person needed a human mother. I suppose God could have just become a full-grown human adult and showed up on His planet one day, but that’s not how He chose to do it. I am not denying the humanness that God took on in Christ Jesus, and I’m not denying the subjection that Christ maintained in his humanness. I get all that.

        Paul and John both reveal the mystery.

        Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
        6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
        7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
        8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

        John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
        2 The same was in the beginning with God.
        14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

        WHO took on the likeness of men, and became Christ Jesus? WHO was found fashioned as a man called Christ Jesus? If it wasn’t “someone,” why would he need to take on the likeness or fashion of a man? WHO is John speaking of when he says the Word was not only with God, but WAS God, and then made flesh (Christ Jesus) and dwelt among us as the only begotten of the Father?

        Why is it troubling to you to know that God can redeem you without you having to perform for it?

        • Emery

          You ARE insulting God and Jesus. I quote: ” I am not denying the humanness that God took on in Christ Jesus, and I’m not denying the subjection that Christ maintained in his humanness.” God took on NO HUMANNESS. Jesus IS NOT GOD. He is a god, but not God the Almighty. You may as well stop now, because you can’t be any more dead than you are now. Dead is dead, there are not levels of it. It’s either dead or alive, and you’re as good as dead in God’s eyes, until you come to the truth in His word, and abandon the lies you repeat. John NEVER SAID JESUS WAS GOD.

          • Are you going to answer the question, or continue to deflect?

          • John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
            57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

            58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

          • John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

            31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
            32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
            33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

          • Colossian 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
            13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
            14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

            15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

            16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
            17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
            18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

          • 1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,
            justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

          • By becoming a man, Jesus did not cease being God. The incarnation of Christ did not involve the subtraction of deity, but the addition of humanity. Jesus clearly claimed to be God on many occasions (Matthew 16:16,17; John 8:58; 10:30). But in addition to being divine, He was also human (see Philippians 2:6-8). He had two natures (divine and human) conjoined in one person.

          • John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him,

            My Lord and my God.

            29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

          • 8 But unto the Son he (God) saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

          • “The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.”

          • Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

          • Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor,

            The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

          • Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

            9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

          • Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel;

            whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

          • The true nature and identity of Jesus Christ has eternal significance.

            Every person must answer the question Jesus asked His disciples: “Who do you say that I am?”

          • Emery

            Question? What question is that? And STOP using that STUPID phrase “deflect”. Whoever got you morons using it initially should be ignored permanently. Deflect. STUPID WORD, stupid intimation, and stupid tactic of pagan Christendom adherents, like yourself for instance.

            Jesus IS NOT GOD THE ALMIGHTY. PERIOD. You are destined to destruction, and that cannot be changed, EXCEPT BY YOU. You lie about Jesus and God both. TWO SEPARATE PERSONS. FATHER, AND SON. And there IS NO GHOST, ANYWHERE. They DON’T exist, and the word “ghost” does NOT appear ANYWHERE in any of the ancient texts from which we translate the scriptures. NOWHERE does it appear. There is no ghost. There is no pagan trinity. God and Jesus, and God’s spirit are NOT a trinity. God’s spirit is NOT a person. Jesus is not his own father, and God is NOT His own son. You’re completely absurd and rediculous when you post stupidity like that. I don’t want to discuss ANYTHING with you if you continue with this pagan belief of yours that there is a trinity of gods. I’ve given you PROOF that you’re dead wrong, and you IGNORE it, as if it doesn’t exist, because MEN told you there was a trinity. God didn’t tell you, His scriptures didn’t tell you, YOU MADE IT UP along with your FALSE RELIGION. God intends war on all religions of man, and all who are part of them. I know you’ve read those words, BUT YOU IGNORE THEM.,

          • Emery

            And in your plethora of posts, is there, somewhere, a point?

          • Leonard

            Emery, are you back here deflecting and lying again? Where’s the “proof” that the KJV is corrupted that you lied about having? You sure make a lot of ridiculous claims for a guy that never seems to have any proof to support his position. But I guess that’s all we can expect from a Jehova’s False Witness…

  • NWT Hebrews 1:5 For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”?+ And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”?+ 6 But when he again brings his Firstborn+ into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do obeisance to him.”* 7 Also, he says about the angels: “He makes his angels spirits, and his ministers*+ a flame of fire.”+ (The writer is addressing angels here, yes? Then he moves on to the Son in v8.)

    8 But about the Son, he (God) says: “God is your throne+ forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.* 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”+

    10 And: “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”+ (this cross references to Psalm 102:25-27)

    Let’s go there…


    102:1 O Jehovah, hear my prayer;+ Let my cry for help reach you.+ (the prayer is addressing Jehovah, yes?)
    102:12 But you remain forever, O Jehovah,+ And your fame* will endure for all generations.+ (still addressing Jehovah, yes?)
    102:19 For he looks down from his holy height,+ From the heavens Jehovah views the earth, (still addressing Jehovah, yes?)

    and we come to 25-27

    Psalms 102:25 Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth, And the heavens are the work of your hands.
    26 They will perish, but you will remain; Just like a garment they will all wear out. Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away.
    27 But you are the same, and your years will never end.

    Wait, what? Did Hebrews 1:8 say we were addressing the son when he quoted Psalm 102:25-27? Let’s look back up there. Yep, in v8. Then the writer quotes the verses in Psalm 102:25-27 regarding Jehovah.

    Utilizing your translation, it certainly appears that Psalm 102 and Hebrews 1 say that Jehovah and Jesus are the same person.

    Jehovah is Jesus. Jehovah is God. Jesus is God.

    You are free to leave the JWs because their own texts prove their doctrine is false. AMEN! Take as many with you as you can and run!

    • Emery

      No tiptop, your sin committed by interpreting scriptures adds to your rediculousness. We are NOT to ever interpret scriptures. And none of the scriptures you posted say Jesus is his father, or that Jehovah is His own son. And why quit the society? They provide me with spiritual food and are the Christian Congregation. They have no “doctrine” tiptop. What they all believe is God’s word. Nothing more, nothing less. The difference is, that we understand God’s word, and Satan prevents you from understanding it. You are an unbeliever. God doesn’t help unbelievers who have a dishonest heart to understand His word.

      • You should read the last post again, then. Hebrews 1:8-12 describes the Son as the one who laid the foundations of the earth, the same as referred to as Jehovah in Psalm 102.

        Emery, God’s words are inescapable and undeniable. I have proven to you, without doubt, that you are following false doctrine, and leading others astray with it. I used your own texts to prove to you they are one in the same…Jehovah!

        I am not interpreting anything….it is written, from your own bible, as clearly as the nose on your face.

        You should pray. I will also.


        • Emery

          No, you DID prove something, but it wasn’t necessary. You proved that you do not understand what you read. I already knew that. What you CLAIM that you proved, you didn’t. God’s word isn’t “false doctrine”. You’re just like that nut TWR, insulting God with every post. Why would God put false doctrine in His inspired word? There would not be a point in that, and it would violate everything He is. You ARE interpreting the meaning of what you don’t really understand. Unquestionably. I follow nothing false, and teach nothing false. I only teach the truth, and I only post the truth on this blog. You don’t recognize the truth, because you cannot understand God’s word. It’s impossible for you. And no, my own Bible is here next to me. You couldn’t have written anything from it. You’re not here, thankfully. And they’re not my own texts. They’re GOD’S texts. You have NOT proven that Jesus and God are one in the same. You only proved that you are totally, completely, inescapably, ignorant of what God’s word says and means. You’re not alone. Almost the entire 7.4 billion on Earth are the same. They are on the side of Satan, as you are, since they don’t choose to be on the side of Jehovah. There are no other choices. Neutrality is a choice for Satan. RELIGION is a choice for Satan. Falsely translated Bibles are a choice for Satan. he is responsible for your inability to grasp the meaning of God’s word. Were I you, I would make a change, REAL quick.

  • You already knew what? You already knew that Heb 1:8-12 speaks of the Son (Jesus)? and that the reference to Psalm 102:25-27 is a reference to Him being Jehovah? …you already knew that? So, you already knew that Hebrews 1 and Psalm 102 link Jehovah to be Christ Jesus? Yet, you are still publicly denying the truth you state you already knew? Or….or….maybe you really didn’t know and are in a quagmire with the false doctrine of your “society.” Surely, you don’t wish to deny Christ publicly, do you? Which is more dangerous…to deny the society of the JWs, or to publicly deny the deity of Christ?

    You see, Emery, when the truth of God’s word doesn’t fit the narrative of our religion, we are forced to either deny God’s truth or change our religion. It appears you have chosen the tradition of your religion over the truth written in the word of God. That would be the same mark of the beast that the apostate Jews had when they chose their religion over the truth of the Messiah. Once marked as belonging to the beast, do you think God ever changes someone’s mark?

    • Emery

      No, there is NO reference ANYWHERE in the entire scriptures about Jesus being Jehovah. NOT ONE. I already know the truth of the entire scriptures, but you seem not to. You seem to believe Athanasius rather than God. The society is not something that CAN be “denied”. That’s rediculous.

      Tiptop, what “religion” are you talking about? I am part of the “one true faith” that Jesus taught, AND I am a member of a society of ministers. Two separate things. It is God’s word to which I adhere ONLY. There is no other religion to change to. All other entities CLAIMING to be a religion are lying. Only one real religion exists. The one true faith. It’s NOT A CHURCH. It’s the faith Jesus taught. And the “mark of the beast” is not a physical, literal mark. It is acceptance of the “world”, the societies and peoples and desires that the world maintains, as ruled currently by Satan. It’s not something physical that CAN be changed. So God cannot “change someone’s mark”. No one can. It’s not a real mark. It’s one’s thoughts and beliefs and actions. One either chooses Jehovah God, and OBEYS His every command, always, and in all situations, or one by default chooses Satan. The “mark of the beast”. There is no third choice. You are tainted by religions and religious beliefs and falsely translated Bibles. Everything you think you know is filtered through them. Study God’s word WITHOUT those filters.

      • /You are tainted by religions and religious beliefs and falsely translated Bibles/

        I used the NWT to show you the connection between Heb 1:8-12 and Psalm 102:25-27. Are you saying the NWT is a false translation?

        If it is falsely translated, please post YOUR proper translation of Hebrews 1 and Psalm 102, so we can see what you think it says. Ok?

        • Emery

          You sound like a record with a scratch that keeps on repeating the same thing over and over. I am “tainted” by NOTHING, much less any religion of mankind, which are ALL FALSE. I am NOT part of any religion of mankind, and I do NOT use any “falsely” translated Bibles. And did I say that the NWT is a false translation? NO, I did not. I said Jesus IS NOT HIS FATHER, and the Father IS NOT JESUS. Believing that is one of the most stupid things on Earth tiptop. It’s JUST COMPLETELY STUPID. And no, I am not going to post what I “think” it says. I know what it says, and that’s good enough for me. You, however, will never believe the truth of God’s word. You are TOO ingrained in false baliefs from religions, and TOO ingrained in Satan’s system of things to believe God. Satan DOES hide the meaning of God’s word from you, since you are an unbeliever. That is what God’s word says about how it works. One who is NOT part of the “one true faith” taught by Jesus IS an unbeliever. One who is part of any religion of mankind IS an unbeliever. It’s just that simple, but you can’t even see that truth.

          • Are you afraid to post the translation you read? If you are afraid, I understand.

  • So, you already KNEW that Heb 1:8-12 was a reference to Psalm 102:25-27 showing the link between Jehovah and Christ as the son? Is that what you’re saying? You’re saying you already knew that Jehovah in Psalm 102 is speaking of Messiah? Yet, you’re continuing to deny the deity of Christ publicly?

    • Emery

      There is only ONE deity. Jehovah God. Period.

      • Unfortunately, you have denied the deity of Christ Jesus. That puts you in the camp of the Pharisees…apostates. Difficult to recover from.

        • Emery

          No, it puts me in NO camp at all. What I have denied, is your false beliefs that come straight from pagan religions of Babylon. I have not denied the “deity of the Christ”, because there IS NO deity of the Christ. He is NOT GOD THE ALMIGHTY. I’ve denied your belief, NOT THE TRUTH. I don’t deny the truth, ever. You simply don’t know the truth tiptop.

          Why is it that the trinity doctrine DID NOT EXIST in the first century? Why is it that Athanasius had to ADD IT to Christendom HUNDREDS of years after Christ’s death before anyone believed such a lie? Why is it that the scriptures do NOT SPECIFICALLY AND DIRECTLY SAY JESUS IS GOD THE ALMIGHTY? It’s because IT’S NOT TRUE. You choose instead to believe the traditions of men, rather than the truth of God. You choose to believe RELIGIONS instead of believing God the Almighty.

          • No, you have denied that Psalm 102:25-27 describes the son as Jehovah, based on Heb 1:8-12 where it clearly shows it is the son.

          • Emery

            No, again you are wrong. Psalm 102:25-27 does not describe the son as Jehovah, and Hebrews 1:8-12 doesn’t either. What this all shows with no doubt, is that Satan veils the meaning of the scriptures from you, and unbeliever.

            And no, I am afraid of nothing, ever tiptop. But it’s clear you are afraid of becoming honest hearted, and drawing close to God, so He can draw close to you. Only if you did that, would God help you understand His word. Not before, ever.

          • According to Heb 1, YES, Psalm 102 DOES describe the son as Jehovah. Here it is again…from the NWT.

            NWT Hebrews 1:8 But about the Son, he (God) says: “God is your throne+ forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.* 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”+

            10 And: “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”+ (this cross references to Psalm 102:25-27)


            102:1 O Jehovah, hear my prayer;+ Let my cry for help reach you.+ (the prayer is addressing Jehovah, yes?)
            102:12 But you remain forever, O Jehovah,+ And your fame* will endure for all generations.+ (still addressing Jehovah, yes?)
            102:19 For he looks down from his holy height,+ From the heavens Jehovah views the earth, (still addressing Jehovah, yes?)

            Psalms 102:25 Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth, And the heavens are the work of your hands.
            26 They will perish, but you will remain; Just like a garment they will all wear out. Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away.
            27 But you are the same, and your years will never end.

            Hebrews 1:8 says “about the son, God says….Psalm 102:25-27…that He (Jehovah, as the Son) laid the foundations of the earth…

          • Emery

            No, nothing in God’s word, NOTHING, says Jesus is God the Almighty. And I really don’t need to see how you misunderstand scriptures, no matter how many they are. The more scriptures you misunderstand doesn’t change the fact that you misunderstand them. You could post a thousand, but it changes nothing. Jesus is God’s ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. Begotten is past tense of beget, which means procreate. CREATE is the root word of procreate. Jesus was CREATED by God as His son. You thinking Jesus CREATED HIMSELF is so far beyond rediculous as to have no words to quantify it. You think Jesus is his own father, and you think God is His own son. You think they are two, but are really one. None of it could EVER make ANY sense ever, for any reason. With TONS of scriptural proof, you STILL cannot see the truth, because Satan hides it from you, as an unbeliever. You think that human reasoning can pierce through a supernatural veil placed over something. Well, you are not more powerful than that supernatural force of Satan’s. Neither are you more powerful than God, even though you continue to think you are. You aren’t. The fact remains, that it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to grasp the meaning of God’s word. Yet you continue to pretend that you do. Those who know God’s word as a result of His help, see right through you. They can see the pretense of your actions, and the haughtiness of your behavior. You think you’re fooling people, but you’re not. You’re just making yourself to look pretty stupid in the eyes of others, and more importantly, in the eyes of God.

          • Leonard

            Emorrhoid, are you LYING about the King James Bible again? Where is the proof you lied about having that the KJV is corrupt? If you have time to lie to Tiptop, you have time to provide me with this “proof” you claim to have, Jehova’s False Witness…

  • Emery

    Why do you people not understand that the “mark of the beast” refers to one’s THOUGHTS and to one’s ACTIONS, and NOT to a physical mark? It’s pretty clearly laid out in the scriptures. It’s not rocket science. Get your act together people and stop whining about chips and physical marks. It’s NONE of those things. The forehead mark signifies thoughts, and the hand mark signifies actions.


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