Was Kenneth Hagin Possessed By The Devil Or Is This Really The Charismatic Church?

Kenneth Hagin died on September 19, 2003. Where his soul is now is anyone's guess. As a case in point, please watch as much of this video as you can stand to absorb which shows a typical "church" service at Hagin's House of Rhema church.
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At the 8:00 mark, he actually starts speaking in complete sentences, but when he does nothing but lies and heresy proceed out of his mouth.

“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;” 1 Timothy 4:1 (KJV)

Nearly any Charismatic will tell you that Pastor Kenneth Hagin was a “good preacher”, and that the “anointing” was upon him and his ministry. He is considered by many to be a father of the “Word of Faith” and “Positive Confession” movements, otherwise knows as “name it and claim it.” Bible believers, on the other hand, contend that he was a demon-possessed charismaniac preaching a false gospel and fleecing his flock. Kenneth Hagin died on September 19, 2003. Where his soul resides now is anyone’s guess. As a case in point, please watch as much of this video as you can stand to absorb which shows what a typical “church” service at Hagin’s House of Rhema church was like. At the 8:00 mark, he actually starts speaking in complete sentences, but when he does nothing but lies and heresy proceed out of his mouth.

Watch this service that has “holy laughter”, and you tell me if it’s from God or the Devil:

Kenneth Hagin Exhibits Demon Possession While Attempting To Preach from Now The End Begins on Vimeo.

Even more disturbing, as Hagin wanders amongst his flock, he is shadowed by 3 or 4 hulking bodyguards. What purpose they might serve is beyond me. All through the video, demonic cackles and chilling laughter is emitted from people sitting in the seats. Amount of Bible he has to validate the truthfulness of his message? Zero. His entire service looks like it could have come from the mind of Wes Craven.

“Run!” Carter Conlon Times Square Church New York City:

After listening to the demonic vocal flatulence of what Kenneth Hagin calls preaching, cleanse your mind and soul with the stirring words preached by Carter Conlon at the Times Square Church in New York City, the first Sunday after 9/11.

If you are in either Kenneth Hagin’s church or any other church that conducts their worship service in this manner, you need to first RUN as fast and you can from it and then REPENT of this horrifically false teaching. The only “anointing” that Kenneth Hagin had was the anointing of his father, the Devil.

“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;” 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV)

Sadly, false doctrines and teachings like what you see here live on today in the heart of the modern Charismatic movement. It is not biblical, it is not from the Holy Spirit, and it is part of the end times prophecy of the great end times “falling away” prophesied in the Bible.

 

NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he has a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.

  • James

    I’ve always wondered why the disciples were accused of being drunk if they were only speaking in foreign languages. We should be careful about what we embraced, but we should also take care not to speak against what comes from God.

    • Right.

      • Edwitness

        PMM,
        Sounds like a bunch of falling down, barking, howling, growling, screaming drunks to me. NOT!

    • Grace

      Hard to watch the video, when I was young in the Lord, I attended a church that followed these things, I was miserable and I wanted to belong, thought that was what I was supposed to do, to get along and not judge or be negative as I was told I was being negative because I didn’t see it as right but that was a long time ago and it grieves my heart now that they laugh and carry on as if it is one huge party when I grieve because Jesus bled, suffered, died and thankfully rose again but he did that for souls, a very serious thing. We should be crying at our altars for souls that are lost not laughing and have a great time, Jesus didn’t have a great time in sacrificing Himself for our horrible sins against God and each other although He is rejoicing now every time a precious soul receives His sacrifice. And I’m not saying we should as Christians be miserable, we rejoice that our names are written in the Lambs book of life and rejoice as we wait for our blessed hope. I just feel so grieved upon seeing these things, pray for me, please and thank you!

      • Grace

        Also the talk about the anointing is disturbing when he defines it as electricity, I don’t see Christ lifted up in these meetings of the past or ones like it here in the now. Lift up Christ and His word for He is the living word and He will draw men to Him when He is lifted up. This just shows a fleshly feeling good which satan delights in, the works of the flesh and the continuous hissing and tongue sticking out like a snake is obvious but no one seems to notice or care and Hagee mentioning you can receive it or sit there like a statue is exactly what I was referring to in my previous post, throw in some peer pressure that there must be something wrong with your walk with the Lord if you are not receiving this stuff, I experienced so much of that years ago. Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

  • Terry

    I agree with this article 100 % .What is promoted in charasmatic churches as tongues is nothing more than jibberish. They equate hysteria and babbling as an outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Pentecostals teach that unless you exhibit some form of charasmatic theatrics then you’re not saved.

    • Don

      I disagree, all tongues are not fake.

      • I don’t think that tongues are “fake”, but neither do I think that are from the Holy Spirit…soooooo……do the math.

        • Edwitness

          That is right Geoffrey,
          And a characteristic of being filled with the Spirit is to be “sober minded”. Hardly what you would describe when someone is falling all over themselves and barking like dogs and such.
          Thanks Geoffrey
          Blessings:-]

          • Kiwiwatcher

            Can never understand that catcher is required if the power of being knocked over – was actually from God, Edwitness. Surely, if God was powerful enough to bowl me over – He would kind enough to gently lower me to the ground.

            Out of ‘kindness,’ I did visit a charasmatic gathering at the request of a fringe aquaintance. The group had a generic name and I entered without realizing their ‘beliefs.’ A frightful experience I shall never repeat. I am familiar with several languages, and never comprehended a single word, other than English and gibberish. Swaying, and flopping bodies, falling over and withering about on the floor. Repetitive rock ‘gospel’ songs over and over. Satanic.

        • Righteously Dividing The Enemy
          http://www.persecution.com

          Though I Speak!

          You don't think tongues are a gifts of the Holy Spirit? So when Paul said he speak in tongues more than any, he wasn't referring to being anointed upon by the Holy Spirit? I admit, I seldom speak in tongues, did a lot of it while my husband was dying, I know you're not to be surprised. Though first I ever spoke, I was in heaven, looking down upon the earth, praying to the masses in this unknown language. Amazingly, this beyond phenomena performance, I couldn't believe people would misuse something so indescribably wonderful. As so, here lately, while I followed a minister saying the sinners prayer before the masses, I followed him, word for word, but in another language. Like tongues in reverse, I guess, never done that before, not since, not like I had any control over it. Well, this is why God setup the members, not us, even the Holy Spirit giving gifts severely as He will, are really the Ones in control of such divine things, surrender all to them. Beware! Apb, The RAM

          • Susan Johnson

            You are not an “Apostle”…..neither have you ever been in Heaven.

            Ridiculous…

      • Jan

        You’re right, speaking in tongues is a one of the gifts mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12:7-11, it is also the least of the gifts and conveniently, the easiest gift to fake. Orderly worship of a unimaginably Holy God is not being practiced in these churches. Very few of these churches follow the instructions given in 1 Cor. 14:27-28: “If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone MUST interpret. If there is NO interpreter, the speaker should KEEP QUIET in the church and speak to himself and to God.”. Lets go back in time a bit and let ourselves imagine the Levites in the Holy of Holies behaving like this. Oh, I understand, that was prior to the Holy Spirit being poured out, but God Himself has not changed. He is the same, yesterday, today, and forever and has rules for orderly worship, I, for one, think He deserves to be worshiped in the ways He has commanded. I certainly do not forbid speaking in tongues, no one ought. However, with the gifts being divided and distributed among the people, how is it that the entire congregation “received” the same gift? Wouldn’t it be nice if they all received the gift of healing, or the gift of miracles? Oh, but those are somewhat harder to fake. Again, it is a true gift, and many have received it, however, if they aren’t following 1 Cor. 14:27-28, they are

      • You’re right, speaking in tongues is a one of the gifts mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12:7-11, it is also the least of the gifts and conveniently, the easiest gift to fake. Orderly worship of a unimaginably Holy God is not being practiced in these churches. Very few of these churches follow the instructions given in 1 Cor. 14:27-28: “If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone MUST interpret. If there is NO interpreter, the speaker should KEEP QUIET in the church and speak to himself and to God.”. Lets go back in time a bit and let ourselves imagine the Levites in the Holy of Holies behaving like this. Oh, I understand, that was prior to the Holy Spirit being poured out, but God Himself has not changed. He is the same, yesterday, today, and forever and has rules for orderly worship, I, for one, think He deserves to be worshiped in the ways He has commanded. I certainly do not forbid speaking in tongues, no one ought. However, with the gifts being divided and distributed among the people, how is it that the entire congregation “received” the same gift? Wouldn’t it be nice if they all received the gift of healing, or the gift of miracles? Oh, but those are somewhat harder to fake. Again, it is a true gift, and many have received

  • twr

    All churches in the Christian era are built on false doctrine. Everything spiritual has a physical manifestation but they are not co-dependent. As it is in heaven, so shall it be on earth. When the Israelites rejected their priesthood, the physical manifestation of the church became null and void. The Holy Spirit backfilled the void left by the Israelites. What Rome revived was an abomination. Sabbaths and Holy Days were part of the Holy Spirit’s ministry to Israelites as well as gentiles. Man has chosen to exalt his ministry over that of the Holy Spirit. There is not a church on the face of this earth that is ordained by God.

    • FartwaCenter

      You are being overly fatalistic. Scripture says SOME will depart from the faith; not all.

    • If so, why I still can observe people, who were born from High, if all churches teach false stuff?

  • Lindsey

    Before his death he wrote a book called The Midas Touch which he said he no longer believed the prosperity teaching…I have not read it but intend to check it out

  • I myself don’t follow Kenneth Hagin, but he is not hissing, he’s blowing his air out because he’s hot. I don’t know — why don’t you tell us — what is a person drunk in the Holy Ghost supposed to act like? One thing I do know, the guys following him are catchers, whether they are also body guards, I do not know, but I would be very careful always to not attribute the work of the Holy Spirit to the devil, as Jesus was very plain about how it would not be forgiven, not in this age, nor in the age to come. Remember when they said he was casting out demons by the power of the prince of demons? If people are getting healed and delivered, you want to be very careful what you say about it.

    • Patrice

      Wow if you could watch that and not discern it is evil then I would be very careful if I were you. I don’t believe God would send a spirit that would make God the Father look like a man from an insane asylum. He has more class than that.

      • David Kaus

        Amen Patrice

      • Chrodules

        So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet. And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Saul’ daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart. (2.Samuel 6:15-16)

        “And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
        Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.” (Acts 2:12-13)

        What differs us from despising and mocking others? Is praying for our brothers and sisters from God or calling them ‘men from an insane asylum’ (-> a fool) ? I know one thing: “If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?” (1.John 4:20)

        “But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.” (Matthew 5:22)

        So this is how we can discern things, using the Holy scripture, if we like it or not – right? Be blessed.

      • Chrodules

        So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet. And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Saul’ daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart. (2.Samuel 6:15-16)

        “And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
        Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.” (Acts 2:12-13)

        What differs us from despising and mocking others? Is praying for our brothers and sisters from God or calling them ‘men from an insane asylum’ (-> a fool) ? I know one thing: “If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?” (1.John 4:20)

        “But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.” (Matthew 5:22)

    • Sola scriptura

      Fortunately we can use the word of Hod to judge rightly – and we know from 1 Corinthians 14 that our God and our churches are places of peace and order. This looks more like show offs practicing dark arts. My eyes, the word and my spirit tell me to flee from this kind of man-centered foolishness. God didn’t put these spirits in people…he cast them out!
      Make right judgements:
      http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2016/01/22/right-judgement/

      And flee false prophets and teachers:
      http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2016/01/22/right-judgement/

    • Lindsey

      I agree

    • Edwitness

      P.M.M.,
      Their cult status comes from their acceptance of what their teacher says over the scriptures. Nothing Hagin or his ilk teaches comes from the Bible. Hagin, who said he was just as much God (incarnation) as Jesus is. You blindly follow a man.
      Your acceptance of his lies makes you an idolater just like Adam and Eve were when they ate the fruit. Eve believed the words of Satan. Just like you are eating his fruit now.

  • David Kaus

    This is what comes from God.

    Galatians 3 King James Version (KJV)

    3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

    2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

    Did you receive the Holy Spirit from the hearing of the Blood Atonement of Jesus Christ crucified for your sins ???………….or did you receive it by your own works ???

    Charismatics get what they call the baptism of the Holy Spirit from being taught to receive it, or working to get it themselves. They then manifest an ecstatic tongue which is not a real language, but has its parallel in pagan religions.

    Even the gift of real languages, unknown tongues, when it was given by the Holy Spirit, He gave it to whom He willed to give it to, and not to all. Which of course proves it is not a baptism of the Holy Spirit.

    The gift of tongues had a specific purpose as outlined in 1 Corinthians 12,13, and 14, and was for the unbeliever. Its interpretation was for the edification of the Church. It spoke of the wonderful works of God, it wasn’t an hysterical laughing event. And the apostles certainly were not drunk as some supposed then, and still do today. Anything outside of the Scriptural outline is simply not from God.

    If God tells us one thing in Scripture, and defines it with specific guide lines for its use, as in the gift of Tongues, and then they are violated, who are you going to believe ???

    God is not the author of confusion.

    • None of the people in this video seem to be having a problem with confusion. They just seem to be having a good time and praising God. The confusion seems to be coming from you.

      • David Kaus

        Patricia Mitchel, I have no doubt that people like you will fall a victim for more anti Christ figures like Hagin, Copeland, etc and their lying signs, wonders, and miracles, and even anti Christ.

        How any one could believe that what is seen in the above video about Hagin, and his church is coming from God is beyond belief. No one in their right mind would do so.

        Jesus Christ was a man of sorrows acquainted with grief. The apostles were all men who suffered persecution for the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The entire Protestant reformation is one of real Christians being cruelly tortured and burnt alive for their faith. I can’t find one passage of Scripture where a preacher of the Gospel, or Jesus Christ went around acting like a laughing, demonic lunatic like Hagin, Copeland, or people in Hagin’s congregation.

        What I quoted in my previous post was Scripture, undeniable truth, and not confusion.

        What you posted back was a reflection of a deluded mind that is in total confusions, loving entertainment and trying to put God’s name to it.

        That is the essence of religious confusion, and a delusion to believe a lie because you love not the truth.

        • And what would you say if you saw the apostles on the day of Pentecost, drunk in the Holy Ghost? You are so reasonable and sensible you would never fall for that.

          • Not a single apostle was ever “drunk in the Holy Ghost”, total lie. They were FILLED with the Holy Ghost, not drunk on anything. The Bible CONDEMNS drunkenness….

          • Sola scriptura

            They were uneducated fishermen speaking the mighty works of God in multiple foreign languages early in the morning. There is nothing indicating that they were cackling, laughing hysterically or knocking people over by swinging their arms. If you can’t discern this you are in some trouble as the days get darker and the deceptions become more wicked and subtle…

          • David Kaus

            You deluded ungodly person. To think that on the Day of Pentecost, a Holy Feast Day, in which God brought in the New Covenant that He would make His apostles drunk and a mockery of all who saw them, and all He was doing, is nothing short of blasphemy. That is what some in the crowd tried to accuse them of mockingly. Peter very clearly corrected them, and shut their mouth. God calls His prophets, and apostles Holy men of God, and not spiritual drunkards like Hagin or yourself.

            The Scriptural admonitions against drunkenness are very clear, and God doesn’t violate His Word.

            What we saw with Hagin and people like him is devilish, and satanic to the core. I can only therefore conclude that you, and people like you who promote this lunacy are of the same spirit, the spirit of anti Christ.

          • Susan Johnson

            …”drunk in the Holy Ghost?”…

            We suspect Miss Mitchell has been spending time with the “Holy Ghost Bartender” large false
            preacher Rodney Howard Brown…

            Ridiculous again…

        • Martus

          Matthew 24:24
          For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

  • Not true Terry. They preach a 2nd baptism the baptism by fire spoken of in Acts. It’s what Jesus spoke of in of before ascending …not leaving the city until the Comforter comes. Anybody remember that in Acts? I think James is right be careful to not speak against what you may not fully understand. Jesus cautioned his disciples about that. All this divisiveness profits no one in the Body of Christ. I think Jesus would be upset with this article.. I see no love. What I do see A spirit of religion just like those who persecuted Jesus. Would you even recognize Him. Does anyone recall Paul the apostle saying he speaks in tongues more than you all….

    • Amen.

    • Lori J

      Amen!

    • Edwitness

      JS,
      The tongues issue is not a doctrine that someone loses their salvation over if they don’t get it right. What is that kind of issue however, is ‘who is Jesus’. If you believe that Jesus was just a man, and not the creator God, that would certainly disqualify a person from salvation. Jesus said that unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins. John8:24. Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, Fred Price, John Avanzini, Benny Hinn, etc…. All teach that Jesus was not the creator God. They say He became one later by being born again. And they say they are now Gods because of what Jesus did. Here are a few quotes:
      Hagin believes that Jesus was not unique in His designation as God incarnate. He said;
      “Every man who has been born again is an incarnation and Christianity is a miracle. The believer is as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth.”
      “Man…was created on terms of equality with God, and he could stand in God’s presence without any consciousness of inferiority…. God has made us as much like Himself as possible…. He made us the same class of being that He is Himself…. Man lived in the realm of God. He lived on terms equal with God…. The believer is called Christ….That’s who we are; we’re Christ!”

      Then you have Kenneth Copeland. Who, in my opinion, is the worst of the Word of Faith teachers. It should only take a few quotes to show just how blasphemous and heretical this man is. Let’s begin with the beginning. Here is Copeland’s account of the creation narrative:
      “God’s reason for creating Adam was His desire to reproduce Himself. I mean a reproduction of Himself. And in the Garden of Eden, He did just that. He [Adam] was not a little like God, He was not almost like God, He was not, um, subordinate to God even…. Adam is as much like God as you could get. Just the same as Jesus…Adam, in the Garden of Eden, was God manifested in the flesh.

      And here Copeland puts himself on the same level as Jesus, while at the same time demoting Jesus to simply a reborn man:
      “The Spirit of God spoke to me and He said, ‘Son, realize this. Now follow me in this and don’t let your tradition trip you up.’ He said, ‘Think this way: a twice-born man whipped Satan in his own domain.’ And I threw my Bible down, like that, and I said, ‘What?’ He said, ‘A born-again man defeated Satan, the firstborn of many brethren defeated him.’ He said, ‘You are the very image and the very copy of that one.’ I said, ‘Goodness, gracious sakes alive!’ And I began to see what had gone on in there. And I said, ‘Well now you don’t mean, you couldn’t dare mean that I could have done that same thing?’ He (God) said, ‘Oh yeah. If you’d had the same knowledge of the Word of God that He did, you could’ve done the same thing, ’cause you’re a reborn man too.”

      Could something this heretical come from God? Of course not! How could anyone believe that the Holy Spirit told Kenneth Copeland that he (Copeland) could have saved fallen humanity? Blasphemy!

      The evidence I have presented here should be sufficient to convince anyone that Hagin and Copeland are false teachers. This should give some context for you to interpret the other things they teach and the “manifestations” you have heard of and been involved in. Because ‘By their fruits you shall know them’. Fruit, in this case, is what they teach. Their words. Mt12:33-37

      For more info on the false teachings (in their own words) of the so called ‘word of faith’ teachers, get ‘Christianity In Crisis’ from Hank Hannegraff.

    • Susan Johnson

      ….”not speak against what you may not fully understand”…

      …”a spirit of Religion”….

      spoken like a true Pentecostal Charismatic.

      Ridiculous x 3

  • Jeffrey

    Geoffrey, I have followed your website for probably 2 years now and this article really hit home. I have never been to rhema but I do live around there so I have known of rhema my whole life. I do not know much about the place other than their big Christmas light display they do every year that is one of the biggest if not the biggest in the Tulsa area. To tell you the truth watching that video made me sick. I did not see Jesus in that place and it’s sad there is so many people that are blinded by what is going on there. And they even have a college there. I do have a friend that told me on Christmas that he is going to their college age church class and I thought nothing bad of it. But he did have a weird experience a couple months ago that he tore up his apartment, sold his truck and basically everything and went to the street with his backpack and a Bible and he said he thought he was Jesus and that he had to get out of his apartment cause the demons were controlling him there. I found it very strange but anytime I have been around him I didn’t see anything like that at all in him. Maybe there’s a connection there with what is going on at rhema I am not sure. But none the less it is very sad to see churches that are not teaching the Holy Bible. There is also a local radio station here that is also aired in other parts of the U.S. that has sermons and also Christian music but it didn’t take me long to know almost all of these “pastors” were all false teachers. Kenneth’s sermons are on there too. It’s also sad to me that there is only 3 Christian radio stations here and none of them are giving the lost a true example of Jesus or what Jesus did for us. It’s really sad to see how even in the Christian realm there is a big falling away right now. Living for Jesus can be hard at times but I do ask for Jesus to guide me. Keep up the good work!

  • i think you know he is not dead. I was in Tulsa at ORU before he got there and i felt the whole thing of what God was doing got off track with Haginites coming on the scene. The word of Faith movement is a cult.

    • This is the definition of a cult from the dictionary: “a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.”
      Um… that would by definition make the Catholic Church a cult because they venerate the Pope; and the Mormons who venerate Joseph Smith above the word of God, also the Jehovah’s Witnesses because they venerate whoever their teacher is above the word of God; and also the Muslims because they venerate Muhammad above the scriptures. But I’m not seeing how someone who venerates the word of faith according to the Bible falls into that category. No! I’m not seeing it. It looks to me like you are uncomfortable with their radicalness and to that I say, the middle of the road might seem like a nice safe place and maybe it is, but remember that if you are lukewarm Jesus will one day spit you out! Just sayin’ 🙁

  • i think you know he is now dead. I was in Tulsa at ORU before he got there and i felt the whole thing of what God was doing got off track with Haginites coming on the scene. The word of Faith movement is a cult.

  • VaLerie

    I am a Pentecostal church members we do not believe in that it is not about what you exhibit is about being filled with the Holy Spirit the evidence of speaking in tongues. We believe in the laying on of hands believe in deliverance we have our services where we go nuts my pastor will get so anointed to he would jump the pews and pray for everybody’s he becomes crazy a crazy man but everyone falls out in about those people following him they were there to protect him. My pastor has catchers that walk around with him we can’t let people fall in the floor without being caught, they would hurt themselves.

    • Amen.

    • That sounds like a mental ward, not a church of God. None of the apostles ever recorded that.

    • patrice

      Well it is hard to follow what you are trying to say, I assume English is a second language for you. But you saying your pastor ‘becomes crazy’ would make me find the nearest door out of that den of demonic activity. Christ and the disciples never acted crazy, jumping around the synagogue, etc.

    • patrice

      My comment is below Geoffrey’s, don’t know how it got that but is in response to Valerie.

    • Speaking in Tongues is NOT evidence of being filled with the Holy Spirit. We are called by FAITH, not by
      sight, not by signs and wonders…

      “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things NOT SEEN”…

      Hebrews 11:1 KJV

  • Patrice

    You were right I could only watch this for a spell as it was absolutely frightening. He acted like a serpent with his hissing and tongue coming out of his mouth at times. It was spiritually unsettling to say the least. Why those people are actually sitting there accepting this demon is shocking, absolutely shocking. I attend an AG church and believe in tongues as a personal prayer language only and do not feel comfortable with someone speaking in tongues out loud.

  • Edwitness

    Great article Geoffrey, Hank Hanegraaff produced a cd that expresses in their own words the worst of what they teach. It is called Christianity In Crisis. There are some things Hank teaches that are not Biblically accurate. But this is not one of them. He lets them expose themselves for the false teachers they really are.There is nothing even remotely Biblical in it. Every verse they take from the Bible is disgracefully butchered to the point of being unrecognizable. And everything they teach leads ultimately to the false end that establishes them as Gods. This is the destination they want everyone that listens to them to arrive to.
    The lie of Satan never changes. “You shall not surely die. You shall be as Gods.” Kenneth Copeland, one of Hagin’s most popular disciples, once stated that if he had been as knowledgeable of the scriptures as Jesus was, he could have been the savior of mankind.
    There is nothing more satanic than when someone says Jesus was not the Creator God. And that since He was just a man anyone who knew the scriptures well enough could have been mankind’s savior. But that is the place this belief ultimately takes them all.
    Avoid it and them.

  • Reginald

    This is absolutely demonic. And I wondered how these gentle men and women sat there and suck up that is unbelievable.
    Really really stupid.
    Get out from Babylon now if you attend anyone one of this like Kenneth Hagin.

    It is a shame.

  • Bonnadee

    From the first time I even heard of Kenneth Hagin I felt that his heretical beliefs were definitely not of God. In the 80’s, I had a misguided friend who read everything that man authored. I tried repeatedly to get her to wake up but to no avail. I was only able to watch the first few minutes of this serpentine man. As I said, my mind was made up long ago about him.

  • Trish

    I rebuke those spirits possessing that man in the name of Jesus Christ. For the merely insane I pray they find true help. Evil.

  • Acts 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

    14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

    15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

    16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

    17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

    18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

    19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

    20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

    21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    • David Kaus

      CAN YOU READ PATRICIA MITCHELL

      15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

      Even the Scripture you posted testifies to the fact that you are in error, deluded, and can’t even understand plain English.

      That spells a delusion to believe a lie.

  • I’m done talking about this and I’ve said everything I’m going to say. You all can go on.

    • David Kaus

      You’re done talking !

      Thank God. And yes we will go on with or without your approval.

    • Jkittyc

      Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
      2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
      3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
      4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
      6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
      7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
      8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

      The Bible does not say, (verse 2) A RUSHING MIGHTY WIND FILLED THE HOUSE, it says A SOUND LIKE IT.
      The Bible does not say, (verse 3) FIRE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN & SAT ON THEM. It says CLOVEN TONGUES LIKE FIRE.
      The Bible does not say, (verse 4) DRUNK IN THE HOLY SPIRIT, it says FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST.
      The Bible does not say, (verse 4) SPEAK IN TONGUES, it says SPEAK WITH OTHER TONGUES.
      The Bible does not say, (verse 6) SPEAK IN TONGUES, it says EVERY MAN HEARD THEM SPEAK IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE.
      The Bible does not say, (verse 8) SPEAK IN TONGUES, it says HOW HEAR WE EVERY MAN IN OUR OWN TONGUE, WHEREIN WE WERE BORN?

      Do NOT skip over the little words!
      RIGHTLY DIVIDE your Bible, people. And you will get the full complete meaning. Not one time does it say that people spoke in unknown tongues. In fact, it states the tongues were KNOWN! The people SPEAKING IT could not understand what these people were hearing in their own language, because they couldn’t speak it, they didn’t know the languages of the multitudes of all these people who had gathered. That is why God translated their words “on the way” to these people’s ears, so they could understand the GOSPEL. It was used to spread the GOSPEL, not to pray to God, or for a “prophecy from one Christian to another”.

      • Edwitness

        JKittyC,
        Did you notice that Sarah laughed “within herself”? The laughing she did was not even audible to the ear. That is why she said she did not laugh. It wasn’t out loud. That was nothing like the garbage these people are doing.
        Blessings:-}

        • Yes, Sarah laughed, and God counted it as SIN because she laughed in DISBELIEF that God could give her a baby. That’s why she denied it.

          • Edwitness

            Geoffrey,
            The scripture says she denied it because “she was afraid”. Not because she sinned. Gen.18:15 You could call it sin, but the scripture here does not.
            As I recall Abraham laughed also when he was told he would have children. Gen.17:17
            Sarah laughed “within herself, saying, “after I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?” Gen.18:12
            Abraham “fell on his face and laughed, and said in his heart, shall a child be born unto him that is a hundred years old? And shall Sarah, that is 90 years old, bear.”
            Seems they both said and did pretty much the same thing. The only difference is how overt Abraham was in his laughter. And Sarah’s was “within herself”.
            They both thought what they were told was funny, that’s all.

          • She was afraid because she laughed AT God’s promise to her….

      • THANK YOU…

        Well written…excellent example of DISCERNMENT!!

  • Jen

    Ekk… creepy!

  • Tracy

    Speaking in tongues is not the same thing is acting like a fool. Speaking in tongues IS biblical as the Hoky Spirit manifests by His will, not ours. Being “drunk in the spirit” is NOT biblical!! The Bible does not teach that being baptized by fire is equivalent to getting spiritually stoned! The Apostles taught that in these last days we are to be sober, because our advisary, the devil, walketh about seeking whom he MAY devour, in other words, whomsoever makes the choice to allow him to do so. In this clip Hagin walks about as subtle as a serpent and rotates his tongue in the same fashion as a subtle, deceiving, hungry snake. The Bible also teaches that in the last days people would fall away from the true faith by giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons. I nearly fell for the garbage some years ago until I got on my knees and cried out to God to show me the truth. It was then that I was delivered of these falsehoods and received authentic baptism in the Holy Ghost, praise God! These are the very last times, please think long and hard about these things. But above all else, read only your KJV Bible and trust only God to lead you into the truth through Jesus Christ that will save your soul!!

    • Edwitness

      Amen to that Tracy.
      Blessings:-}

    • Speaking in Tongues will NOT save you…

      Baptism will NOT save you…

      Church Membership will NOT save you…

      Religion will NOT save you…

  • Pamela

    Straight from the pit of hell.

    • Yep.

      • kim

        Luke 6:21 Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.
        Psalm 126:2-3 Then our mouths were filled with laughter and our tongues with joyful songs. Then the nations said, “The LORD has done spectacular things for them.” The LORD has done spectacular things for us. We are overjoyed.
        Job 8:21 He will once again fill your mouth with laughter and your lips with shouts of joy.
        Ecclesiastes 3:2-4 A time to be born and a time to die. A time to plant and a time to harvest. A time to kill and a time to heal. A time to tear down and a time to build up. A time to cry and a time to laugh. A time to grieve and a time to dance.

        What’s this? God sends laughter. So laughter being demon possession is not biblical Mr. Grinder. You’re making an assumption not using biblical facts. God is the judge.

        • Edwitness

          Kim,
          Kenneth Hagin and other of these teachers teach that they are just as much a God as Jesus is. Do you believe this? The signs are not the main reason we know it is not of God. Whether a thing is true or not is always measured by the teaching (fruit, Mt.12:33-37) that gives rise to it. “For out of the abundance of a man’s heart, his mouth speaks.”
          Whatever flows from false teaching is false.
          And we are to judge. 1stCor.2:14-16- “He who is spiritual judges ALL THINGS” Not just some things, all things.

          • KIm

            Post that sermon.

        • Edwitness

          Kim,
          These are some of what Hagin taught that gave rise to his message of ‘holy laghter’. When it comes to the atonement:
          “He [Jesus] tasted spiritual death for every man. And His spirit and inner man went to hell in my place. Can’t you see that? Physical death wouldn’t remove your sins. He’s tasted
          spiritual death means something more than separation from God. Spiritual death also means having Satan’s nature…. Jesus tasted death – spiritual death – for every man.
          Kim, do you believe that Jesus took on the nature of Satan? Ever?

          Hagin also believes that Jesus was not unique in His designation as God incarnate:
          “Every man who has been born again is an incarnation and Christianity is a miracle. The believer is as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth.
          Though heretical (Christ alone was God incarnate – John 1:14), it is no surprise for Hagin to say this considering he believes that we were originally created to be equal with God:
          “Man…was created on terms of equality with God, and he could stand in God’s presence without any consciousness of inferiority…. God has made us as much like Himself as possible…. He made us the same class of being that He is Himself…. Man lived in the realm of God. He lived on terms equal with God…. The believer is called Christ….That’s who we are; we’re Christ!”

          Do you believe that the believer is called Christ? And that the believer is the same “class of being” that God is? If so, shouldn’t we be able to receive worship as Jesus did?
          Where is the believer ever called Christ? HAVING an anointing and BEING anointed are two vastly different things. One is a gift and the other is a state of being.
          If you believe these things Hagin teaches you are not Christian. You are not saved.
          What makes us Christian is the fact that we recognize that God is Creator and we are creation. Man was never created to become a Creator. That is what Mormons teach. They are a cult. And so are you if you believe these things Hagin taught.
          Again, ‘holy laughter’ is the least of the problems with what Hagin taught.

        • Edwitness

          Kim,
          You asked me to post that sermon. Here you go.
          Kenneth E. Hagin, “How Jesus Obtained His Name” (Tulsa, OK: Kenneth Hagin Ministries), tape #44H01, side 1.
          Kenneth E. Hagin, “The Name of Jesus” (Tulsa, OK: Kenneth Hagin Ministries, 1981), p. 31, emphasis in original.
          Kenneth E. Hagin, “The Word of Faith 13, 12 (December 1980):14.
          Kenneth E. Hagin, “Zoe: The God-Kind of Life” (Tulsa, OK: Kenneth Hagin Ministries, Inc., 1989), pp. 35-36, 41.

      • KIm

        Psalm 37:12-13 The wicked plot against the godly; they snarl at them in defiance. But the Lord just laughs, for he sees their day of judgment coming.
        Psalm 2:3-4 “Let us break their chains,” they cry, “and free ourselves from slavery to God.” But the one who rules in heaven laughs. The Lord scoffs at them.
        Proverbs 1:25-28 You ignored my advice and rejected the correction I offered. So I will laugh when you are in trouble! I will mock you when disaster overtakes you–when calamity overtakes you like a storm, when disaster engulfs you like a cyclone, and anguish and distress overwhelm you. “When they cry for help, I will not answer. Though they anxiously search for me, they will not find me.
        Psalm 59:7-8 Listen to the filth that comes from their mouths; their words cut like swords. “After all, who can hear us?” they sneer. But LORD, you laugh at them. You scoff at all the hostile nations.

        What??? God laughs and grinder says laughter is demonic manifestation???

        • In every single one of the verses you mentioned about God “laughing” it is always mocking, derisive laughter at LOST people. So if God is LAUGHING in Hagin’s church He is JUDGING it….

          • AMEN!

            “And the Truth Shall Set (Make) You Free…

            John 8:32 KJV

  • Heather

    Demonic to the core!

  • froggie

    Jude 4
    For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. No serious Christian can doubt that evil men have come to power in the world, whose purpose is to overthrow free forms of government and to suppress the Gospel of Jesus Christ. However, few Christians seem to be aware that this same anti-Christ network has infiltrated the Church with a hidden agenda of subverting the true faith and converting believers to their false religious system.
    This quiet intrusion of false brethren into the life of the Church was foretold in the New Testament. Paul stated that, for three years, he did not cease to warn the Church day and night with tears: “For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.” (Acts 20:29-31)
    The book of Jude confirms Paul’s prediction: “Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and deny the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.” (Jude 4)
    The Lord Jesus also prophesied that the period just before His return would be a time of unprecedented deception. In Matthew 24:24, He says that even the very elect would be deceived ~ if possible. II Thessalonians 2:3 reveals that during this period there would be a great ‘falling away’ from the faith that was once delivered to the saints. It is difficult to comprehend how this could happen, until it is understood that this deception would come from within the Church ~ just as Paul said it would! Saints, we must follow Jesus only and trust no man !

  • ALAN

    I want to see one negative comment regarding Hagin ministry’s from tongue talking christian ? Hagin helped so many people around the world why would you condemn him? If you dont get what he is doing just look at the results – people healed, happy and reading bible? Is this not what you want people to do, and dont worry if they are experiencing something different from your understanding most of Hgins followers at some point were lost souls anyway, so basically you accusing him for bringing people to Bible – because this is what Hagin advised “IF SOMETHING GOES AGAINST BIBLE DO NOT ACCEPT IT” !!!!!! So if you dont get tongues dont accept it but accept all rest if its in Bible.

    • patrice

      Matthew 7:21. Not eveyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord’, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
      Verse 22: “Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord have we not prophesided in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?
      Verse 23: “And then I will declare to them, ‘Depart from me for I never knew you, depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

    • Allen you’ve got it right…and there is no point debating with fools. They don’t want to get it because they have a spirit of religion in them operating. I would share my testimony but why cast pearls before swine. They are being divisive about the Body of Christ. Pray for them author & the posters who spend an enormous amount of time talking against Hagin & other charismatics . That’s all you can do. Sometimes this site has worthy articles but sometimes you just have to spit out the bones. They spew hate like the Pharisees & the Sadducees. Im done supporting this site because there is no love here..God bless Allen & The other woman trying to explain the gifts.

      • …”A spirit of Religion in them operating”

        ….”trying to explain the gifts”

        AGAIN…Pentecostal Charismatics ALWAYS have to have PROOF of being saved…always about the “signs and
        wonders”.

        Repeat rapidly over and over again (so you too can be granted Pentecostal Oneness Church Membership):

        SHE RODE IN ON A HONDA….SHE RODE IN ON A HONDA….(faster)…SHE RODE IN ON A HONDA…

        EVIDENCE!! LOL

        • David Kaus

          You are correct Susan. Time and time again the “experience” seekers try to validate their faith, and connection to God by their experience, and not by Faith in God’s Word. That is the essence of mysticism. And mysticism is what the Whore Church is all about.

          It is quite evident that the Whore Church we are seeing form before our eyes with Hagin and Copeland/Cahn, Baker types is full of such pagan mysticism, a cage of every unclean and fowl bird.

  • carrierwave

    Where in the Scriptures is there every a thing called a “church service” or “worship service”?? For that matter, where is it in scripture where “one man” gets up and tells you each Sunday for 5, 10 or 29 years and tells God’s people what “he” thinks Bible says?? Then we are told “don’t question or ever refute what that “man” says; that is sowing discord among the brethren.” Or among baptists primarily. “Obey the ‘pastor’, the ‘pastor’ is always right, even when he is wrong.” The seeds of abuse and, heresy, false teaching and doctrine are borne out of hundreds of years of copying the Roman Catholic church ‘services’.

    Is it any wonder God’s people are so screwed up today, the FAITH, ONCE DELIVERED TO THE SAINTS GOSPEL perverted, (NTEB’s “tribulation” gospel)that the churches are marrying queers, excusing, effeminate, transgenderlings, and pedophilia, and taking them into “membership” (nowhere in the scriptures)?? You hear statements like: “In OUR church, we do this.” or, “My” church does it this way.” “He is the ‘pastor’ of OUR ‘church’. “If I were the pastor, MY church would do this”. What they are saying is totally correct–IT IS “MAN’S” church! Jesus is no longer the HEAD of the ‘church’, man is, and IT SHOWS!! IRS tax-exempt 501c3 foolery has made it impossible for Jesus Christ to regain HIS position as head, when foolish ‘pastors’ reject God’s Word (KJV), at every turn, to keep the $$$ rolling in, the saints “CONQUERED”, and Jesus off HIS throne! God’s anger is hot, and We are headed for big trouble. Thank you, all “hirelings”, when things get real hot, you will run! Watch and see.

  • ALAN

    Geoffrey Grider Why my post is deleted? Because you wont accept positive comment about Hagin, this means we can only express thoughts if they are in line with your thinking?

    If you like to throw stones here is one for you.
    I can see everywhere in your website erotic pictures, viagra, looking for sex etc. advertisements. I know these pictures google advertiser supplies you randomly but is it really appropriate for Christian website? What kind of impression this will leave on non believers if they are looking for truth. You see if you would be in line with God like Hagin was you would not have to advertise devil to get funds for website running costs but now devil via adverts contributes to you and deceivable people via your website adverts get scammed.

    • Have ever tried blocking ads. I never knew of the advertisements, you referenced I never see ads, BECAUSE THEY ARE BLOCKED. I share NTEB on both Twitter and Facebook, with no advertisements.

      • When you block the ads that appear on the NTEB site, you hinder our ability to continue to provide this website to people free of charge. Why would you want to do that? We have no fundraisers, we have no pledge drives or love offerings ever. But if it were not for both the generous donations of God’s people and the revenue generated by the ads, NTEB would have to close down.

    • No one has blocked you, I can clearly see your other post right above this one. So I don’t know why you would lie like that. And those ads you see are because that’s what the ad code determines is part of your regular viewing habits so it serves them to you. It reads the cookies on your computer and serves you what it thinks you like. But we have NO ads for “sex” or anything “erotic”.

      • ALAN

        My comment was there than disappeared for few hours and after reappeared so no Geoffry im not laying.
        *about ads
        I wont agree. Try to use google incognito (private browsing without cookies) still the same ads. They are showing based on clients who pays for more for views and obvious all junk sellers will do that. If you want to avoid this you have to pick advert categories but than again there wont be the same money for you like selling sex & drugs.

        • Jkittyc

          Try browsing non-sex material on your computer. It works, to get rid of the sex ads.

          • Jkittyc

            Ooops! I just looked at the ads on my computer. NO sex ads! Most are health ads, with a few “headline news” ads.

            See? I told you it works.
            I guess Geoffrey was right, after all. Duh.

          • froggie

            Yes, Geoffrey is correct. I always get ads from the stores I shop at. Never once got anything nasty. Poor Alan, He just stuck his foot in his mouth. Yikes !!

          • ALAN

            Looks like you are not in to today’s information technologies i used incognito private browser – so no browsing history

            p.s
            Maybe its based on location as im not from USA but anyway they shouldn’t show inappropriate pictures.

          • Lol, you should just quit talking. You’re digging yourself in deeper….

        • Edwitness

          Alan,
          How pragmatic of you. The Pharaoh’s magicians were able to turn a rod into a snake. So, using your logic, I guess the Israelites should have believed Pharaoh, right?
          What you think are good results may not actually be. Hank Hannegraff said it so well. “They take the skin of the truth and stuff it with a great big lie.”

          • ALAN

            If in the name of Jesus he does miracles like cast out devil im sure its from God or maybe you can do greater miracles? If not, than please read below and dont be like one of the Jesus accusers.

            22And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
            23And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
            24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
            25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
            26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.

  • Larry

    Stick to the Word of God and you wont go in the wrong direction! Stay in the Sovereign Will of the Lord God, of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob (Israel). All Born Again Believer’s get ready! Our King is coming very, very, very soon! Hallelujah to the Lord Most High! Witness, every chance you get, witness! Get everyone you can into the boat! We’re going Home soon!

  • A waste of 33 minutes, that could be used in Scriptural commentary and ministry of God’s Word.

  • Mike

    Demon possession my foot! I’ve been to a service like this before and it was FUN! It wasn’t some weird construct. I even laughed continually watching this! It was the Holy Spirit ministering to folks and who knows how much this helped? Maybe someone had lost a loved one or was dealing with marital issues and this is exactly what they needed to diminish the seriousness of the problem. You stiff shirted theologians need to spend some time getting intimate with the joy of the Lord instead of your self-adulating piety and proverbial witch hunts. Most certainly there are times to be serious, but he accurately quoted the scripture that says, “A merry heart does good like a good medicine.” He even said at the end it isn’t appropriate all of the time but every once in a while it’s a blessing. I don’t agree with everything the man preached,but I do believe He loved the Lord. You want to attack something, the devil has done plenty of damage outside of the church to keep you busy. “Now the End Begins” indeed. It is especially accurate as you make it your mission to foment division.

    • It that was “fun” to you then perhaps you need to get saved. That demonic cackling is the DEVIL…..

      • David Kaus

        Amen Geoffry Grider

      • patrice

        Amen and Amen. That man needs to pray for the gift of discernment

    • Edwitness

      Mike,
      You need to read and take to your heart the 12th and 14th chapters of 1stCor. God is not a God of confusion.

    • SELF-CONTROL SELF-EXAMINATION QUESTIONNAIRE:

      1) Why do I have difficulties restraining myself from behavior that isn’t good for me?

      2) Do others describe me as calm and collected or erratic and uncontrolled? Why?

      3) Is my first reaction to something a fruit of the Spirit or a loss of control? Why?

      Ask yourself these questions, Mike.

      Signed,
      A Berean Searching the Scriptures, not a Stiff-Shirted Theologian

  • Kenneth Hagin was one of the key figures that seduced me into the heresy of the name it and claim it cult in the 1980’s. Him and other crazies on the old PTL and 700 Clubs. Hagin was even on the radio here. I was having severe physical problems and desperate for help. Long story short, I came to realize how fraudulent it was and went through a spiritual crisis of a few months before returning back to my Bible for myself and J.Vernon McGee’s commentaries from his radio teaching series. It was the greatest spiritual lesson God ever gave me along with a spirit of discernment I obviously lacked. Watching some of Hagin’s antics on Youtube I have no doubt he was demon possessed at the time. Those deep in the occult will tell you all about speaking in gibberish. The scariest part of this article were some of the comments. Most of Christendom will welcome the miracle working Antichrist and his False Prophet hook, line, and sinker.

    • David Kaus

      Amen Steven, thank God he pulled you out of this satanic deception.

      Several of the post on this page show us clearly that many people have already had their minds programed to a great degree to accept the anti Christ.

      If they can fall for this incredible nonsense, what will they do when anti Christ and the false prophet come forth with fire from heaven ???

  • Laura L

    I’ve seen similar footage of people coming our from a Benny Hinn service in California. One young lady kept laughing and spouting New Age nonsense that had nothing to do with Biblical teachings. There were a brave group of protesters who tried reasoning with the Benny Hinn cult followers, but to no avail. These unfortunate folks have itchy ears and seem to be part of the falling away we’ve been warned about.

  • Elaine

    Geoffrey, Thank you for exposing this heretical movement. Please continue to expose this movement.

    Here is a very sobering thought, and I mean that literally, on Judgement Day they will have to preach that to Almighty God.
    I used to have a file/you tube of Kenneth Copeland and Howard Rodney-Browne telling jokes in that demonic gibberish, however, at the end you could hear them say in English “Hail Satan.” If anyone should search for it please pray before watching it.

    St. John 10:27-28 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
    And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish , neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

    May our sovereign Almighty God continue to bless his Watchmen.

    • Tracy

      Amen Elaine!! John 10:27-28

      • Elaine

        Blessings, Tracy,
        Yes, we are secure in His hands! I believe I’ll hum a few bars of “Bringing In the Sheep”

        My God richly bless and protect you in these last days. Looking forward to meeting you in that Celestial City!

  • Brad

    If holy laughter during a service is the example of evidence that you are using on the credibility of Kenneth Hagen then your hypothesis is not only wrong but I would begin to look into your own credibility in truly understand God and his word. It’s hard to create a credible article a day but maybe you need to be a little more introspective in your beliefs. You could seriously use a little laughter into your own life and ministry as this could apply to you also.

    “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;” 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV)

  • Dan Quixoté

    Thanks for sharing. I didn’t know about Hagin, and I don’t quite know what to make of it. I might have dismissed it as fake or bad earlier in life, but I experienced something like this once, years ago. I was praying at home, contending, begging, for a particular bondage to be broken in my life. As I was finishing up, a strong holy laughter come over me. As with the private praying in the Spirit or public prophesying, it was subject to my will – I could say ‘no’ to it, or yes. Contained in that laughter was victory, relief, gratitude, and rejoicing. It was a down payment to tell me that victory had been granted and it was on its way. With thanks to God, even years later I get to walk in the victory of that deliverance.

    Although I am an aspiring Pentecostal, desiring to live out the continuing missions and activities started by Jesus and the 1st century church, I haven’t been to a service like that. I guess I would have to be there to discern for myself whether it’s something to avoid. God kept doing new and scandalous things throughout the Bible, and so did His people. And while David might have shown it’s OK to get jiggy in your skivvies before the Lord, it’s not my style. So even if that corporate public laughing thing is OK, I might not choose to be party to it. But I want to be careful about what I decry to by from Beelzebub.

    • Jkittyc

      Please show me in the Bible where people were laughing uncontrollably? And did the Bible describe it as HOLY? Book, chapter & verse please.
      Genesis 17:17
      Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?
      Genesis 18:12 Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?
      13 And the Lord said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?
      14 Is any thing too hard for the Lord? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.
      15 Then Sarah denied, saying, I laughed not; for she was afraid. And he said, Nay; but thou didst laugh.

      • Dan Quixoté

        Hi Jkittyc,

        Your invitation to prooftext is a good one. To be intellectually honest (why be another way?), I am not aware of an overpowering holy laughter recorded in the Bible, so if you’d indulge me, I’ll share the similar examples I’m aware of, and you can judge yea, nay, or ‘hung jury’.

        King Saul was twice caused to prophesy, the second time quite despite himself, and naked – 1 Samuel 10:1-13, 19:23-24. Saul messengers were caused to prophesy, despite themselves also, 1 Samuel 19:19-21. Before this happened, there was no precedent for it in the Bible, and certainly no written precedent for them, since all they had was the Torah ( Pentateuch), but it was deemed to be of God. I realize Hagin and those close to him were seen laughing and not prophesying, so it’s not an exact match. I’m not a an apologist for Hagin, but if given the choice, I’d take laughing in church before the Lord and man while covered rather than prophesying naked at Samuel’s camp! Remember – I’ve had the laugh – it’s a good deal! – although in my case I (probably) could have stopped any time.

        “The disciple that Jesus loved” said in John 21:25 Jesus (who is God) did many other things that aren’t recorded in the Bible. So I’m not going to have a recorded version of every good thing God has done or will do, especially if it is new. I see a bunch of times God says he will do new things (e.g., Isaiah 42:9, 43:19, 48:6, Jer 31:22). God even says we’re not going to believe some of the things He will do (Habakkuk 1:5). And we haven’t even seen the mountains sing or trees clap unto Him yet (Isaiah 55:12)! I can believe an overcoming holy laughter accompanied by the occasional fall or flail way more than mountains singing and trees clapping.

        I used to hear people speak against being fallen or ‘slain in the Spirit’, but I made up my mind on that one after seeing how many times in the OT and NT people were knocked down and laid out by the presence of the Lord or even some of his greater angels, some times while being “caught up” in the Spirit.

        Outside of the spiritual canon, Jewish historian Josephus records the powerful sidebar story of “one Jesus, the son of Ananus, a plebeian and a husbandman” (farmer), who for seven years and five months (~2700 days per the Jewish calendar) was caused by God to declare woes upon Jerusalem, until the day he too was killed in the siege of Titus in AD 70. You’ll find it in Book VI, “The Wars Of The Jews, Or ,The History Of The Destruction Of Jerusalem”. We take extra-Biblical sources to be true when they corroborate Scripture and other known good sources, and I have yet to see an error in Josephus. He is a first rate historian on the order of “Doctor Luke” from Troas, who wrote his Gospel account and the Acts of the Apostles, with all their externally corroborated historical detail.

        So my relevant examples are Saul and his messengers, Jesus bar-Ananus, and myself, while leaving the barn door wide open for ‘new things’, some of which ‘you would not believe’. I’m sure I’m missing many other relevant events.

        Nevertheless, we are always to ‘test the spirits’ (1 John 4:1) “to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world”. I see that in this forum here, we attempt to do so. For me, based on just the video evidence here, Hagin and his flock may be under influence from God, or maybe not such a good influence. I can’t conclude. I’d have to check their fruits in their lives against the list in Galatians 5:22-23, check their religion versus the ‘true religion’ of James 1:27, their hallmarks of Christianity as compared to the ten given in 1 John, and their preached doctrine (when not laughing) versus that of Jesus and the Apostles. While Satan may “masquerade” as an angel of light (2 Cor 11:14), he can’t hide his nature forever, for Lies is his native language (John 8:44), and his sin will be found out (Numbers 32:23). And as always, for oneself, one must follow their biggest conscience, for even if something is OK in the objective, if one thinks something might be sin and does it anyway, for that person it IS sin (Romans 14:23)

        You’ve prompted me to a good exercise this morning. Thank you, and may you be be blessed and a blessing.

        “Dan Quixoté”
        Jesus-lover, ‘father of many’, applied scientist and paid inventor

        • Edwitness

          Dan Quixote’,
          The bottom line in testing the spirit is to discern what is taught. Not the manifestations that proceed from the teachings. And certainly not the behavior in the personal life of the one teaching. Anything can be faked.
          Hagin said these things in his teaching as I have shown some others here already.
          “Every man who has been born again is an incarnation and Christianity is a miracle. The believer is as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth.”
          “Man…was created on terms of equality with God, and he could stand in God’s presence without any consciousness of inferiority…. God has made us as much like Himself as possible…. He made us the same class of being that He is Himself…. Man lived in the realm of God. He lived on terms equal with God…. The believer is called Christ….That’s who we are; we’re Christ!”
          If you can believe these you are not a Christian. Jesus is unique in His incarnation because He is the Creator God. Emmanuel. God with us. He is I AM. John8:24

          Plus;
          #1. Your examples in 1stSam.10 &19 are not saying they were unable to resist if they chose to. Especially the chapter 19 example.
          In chapter 10 the 7th verse the prophet makes it clear that Saul had complete control over what he was to do. “And let it be(Saul’s choice), when these signs are come unto you, that you do as occasion serves you; for God is with you.”
          The same for vs.s 23,24 in chapter 19. Saul was trying to kill David. Satan was manipulating him there. Next thing you know, he’s naked. What a surprise.
          Vs.s 19-21 give no indication of the servants being unable to control themselves.
          #2. The fact that there were things that were not recorded in no way gives anyone license to contradict the scriptures that we do have. And laughing uncontrollably and moving in spasms has no precedent in the scriptures.
          #3. No problem with declaring woes. Revelation has many declared by John.

          You act as if ‘new’ means anything goes. Nothing can be further from the truth. Our example is Paul. “Be you followers of me even as I am of Christ.” 1stCor.11:1. Paul never gives us any indication of this being the ‘new’ things God has for His people in this dispensation. In fact he gives every indication that the idea that ‘anything goes’ is to be avoided. 1stCor.14:26-33.
          Vs. 33- “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in ALL the churches of the saints.” And in vs.32 we find why the servants and prophets were not unable to control how and what they said and did. “And the spirit of the prophets are subject to the prophets.”

          • Dan Quixoté

            Thanks, Edwitness. You’re one who keeps the passion without going combative or ad hominem. Much appreciated.

            The point you make about judging the teaching first rather than the manifestations is a good one. We’re in strenuous agreement, as I wrote above that to judge their deal I’d have to check their teaching versus that of Jesus and the apostles, including Paul, James, and Jude. But if the teachings y’all are attributing to Kenneth Hagin are accurate, then we’d all do well to stay far away from that bunch.

            I got the irresistibility of the prophesying by Saul and his posse from the immediate context and from the larger character portrait of Mr. Hide-In-The-Luggage, who later becomes Mr. Paranoid-Crazy. But if irrefutable lexical proof is demanded, I concede on it. Just my impression until someone persuades me otherwise. Which is entirely possible – studying the Scriptures on my own, questioning the Author as much as He’s been willing to tolerate borderline disrespectful questions – has persuaded me different from no small number of things I was taught as a child (though affirmed many more). It has also cultivated a ‘holy banter’, a verbal roughhousing, that I perceive both He and I enjoy, which has ranged from the joyful to the dead-serious. Example: Me, reading the actions of the patriarchs in Genesis myself for the first time: “God, you started this whole thing out with a bunch of crazies! What were you thinking?!” God to Dan, believe it or don’t, “What else do I have to work with? Have you looked in the mirror?” Dan, to himself, “Doh! He’s right”. At the other end of the spectrum, years later, I was pleading for the life of my young cancer stricken mother, after my wife (who is not a mystic, never had a vision before) privately told me the vision she was given of some of my Mom’s first interactions after entering Paradise, which contained details that to validated it to me. My mother had not at that time been branded terminal, but hearing the vision alarmed me otherwise. As I was pleading for her, all Hezekiah-style, God interrupted me and said, “But Dan, I get to make that decision, and I want her here with me.” End of transmission. She had been an amazing born-again daughter of the Lord and ambassador of Christ for 36 years, I was just firmly informed she was leaving, and it was made apparent the death with which she glorify God, which came to pass later that year. Upon hearing that, I started with “You have GOT to be kidding me!”, and after that I must have sounded like a tiny Yosemite Sam in God’s ears. He’s been patient with those early tantrums.

            As for public and private manifestations of God’s Spirit, I don’t think that anything goes. But if I confine my discernment to only the exact manifestations that are in the Bible, I’m pretty sure I’d be duty bound to start decrying the revivalists like Finney and others, based on the written eyewitness accounts of their meetings. I’d be pleased to be specific. Which brings us to ‘orderly worship’.

            When I first digested that passage by Paul that everyone cites on ‘order’ in Christian gatherings, it sounded like absolute chaos compared to any church I had been to. But whatever THAT was, I wanted it. Called to it. So I literally left the scripted-service multi (8!) site megachurch, where I had worshipped, learned, and served from nursery on up to running sound for even all the sites sometimes, and started visiting churches until I found one that operates in the Spirit in that 1 Cor 14 orderly chaos. Not only that, they preach a Jesus that I and my neighbors actually need, not just someone who can make me “feel better”. We have Oprah and Joel Osteen for that. I have ZERO need for a feel-good Jesus, because in my flesh, I believe full-well that I Am Enough, and I Am All-That. [In the dark recesses of my heart, I am still convicted that my sins have me in real peril]. But these people preach a Jesus who came to pay the price for my sins thay have earned me a well-justified eternity in the flames of Hell, a Jesus who is Suffering Servant and Conquering King, and a Holy Spirit who does whatever the Heaven he wants, from transubstantiating men’s heart from stone to flesh, to raising the very dead to the eternally living. We ought be careful the Scriptures we read, it may change one’s life!

            Your point about the spirit of the prophets being subject to the prophets is well taken. I’m familiar with that passage, so I considered if any outward manifestations from people in the Bible were ever outside of their control. An inspiringly massive number of people did things “en-theos-ed”, that is, ‘filled with the Spirit of YHWH’ and other lexical variations to the same powerful effect, resulting from a conscious decision to yield to God’s prompting. Awesome every time, but not the thing we’re looking for in this debate. A number of people underwent things that they seemingly could not control – pressed to the ground upon the presence of God or one of His higher angelic delegates, transported (Philip, John, Paul), things experienced in visions, those that were persecuted or martyred. Hmm. Still not OUTward manifestations. So the only Biblical occasions I am left to assert about irresistable manifestation coming OUTwardly from a person are Saul and his messengers (still no uncontrollable laughter), which I know you find dubious. And outside of that, I have Jesus bar-Ananus for the 2700 days leading up the the fall of Jerusalem (DEFINITELY not laughing), and written accounts from the revivalist meetings and transformative outpourings in both North and South America, Europe, India, and Africa over the last 3 centuries, which I’d be happy to get super specific on those, because the stories are amazing, inspiring, and motivating. I started my pursuit of an operant close working relationship with God because I was jealous of Enoch, Moses, and the the Prophets. Me: “Why did you talk directly to THEM like that? Why won’t you speak frankly and openly with ME?!” God: “Do you walk with Me like they did? Are you willing to?” Me: “No, I guess I don’t (grumble grumble)”. But the more I walk, talk, and obediently labor with Him like they did, the more I get off what they got. That zealousy (sic) only gets “worse” when exposed to the written accounts, or (gasp) spoken accounts of people party to these moves of God. ‘Hey! I want to be mighty for Your kingdom too!’

            Thanks for the robust debate.

            Dan Quixoté (an obvious pseudonym)

    • We stopped reading right after “Although I am an aspiring Pentecostal”….

      • Dan Quixoté

        Ha! Fair enough. You didn’t miss much. But those who respond to my ramblings can be interesting. Feel free to talk me out of it!

        • Edwitness

          Dan Quixote’,
          Well said. And without a single point that actually refuted anything I said in my reply. WOW! I would take issue however with what you said at the last though. The fact that you hope to have the same kind of relationship with God as those who were Old Testament saints.
          The main point you need to see is that they had to relate to God that way. You see, they were just like Adam. He walked and talked in the garden with God because he wasn’t equipped to do anything else. He was natural, not spiritual. 1stCor.15:45-48. Being natural, Adam could only relate to God according to his natural senses. Touch, taste, smell, hearing, sight. That’s it. No other way for him to know God.
          But, when Jesus came He made spiritual life possible for mankind. He said “You must be born again.” And “What is born of the flesh is flesh(natural). And what is born of the Spirit is spirit.” This is something Adam and all those until Jesus came never had. You might be saying ‘But, what about the breath God breathed into Adam’s nostrils in Gen.1?’ What about it? The breath God ‘breathed’ into him was air. Neshawmaw, not ruach.
          A living soul is a body with air coursing through it’s lungs. Causing the bodily functions to work. ‘Living soul’ means to be a living, breathing creature. Genesis even says God breathed the same air into animals. Gen.7:22. Now do you see how special we are to be able to relate to God on a spiritual level? You have it many multiples of times better than the OT saints did.
          Think about the apostle Peter. Before Jesus rose from the grave he denied Christ 3 times. Afterward, you couldn’t shut him up. Acts2:14-40. Beatings, prison. These did nothing but make him rejoice, right? the difference of course, is that before the resurrection, Peter was natural, like Adam. But afterward, spiritual like Jesus. The second Adam. Not that he became a God. Far from it. It’s just that he could hear God in his inner man. That new part of him that never existed before. That was never possible with any of the OT saints. And that is where the real power comes from. Our being able to trust, have a spiritual relationship, with the Creator.
          Moses with the burning bush. The cloud by day and fire by night. All God’s communications with the OT saints were natural. But, God wanted a people that could relate to Him spiritually. John4:24. And because we are born again He has that.
          So the next time you feel jealous about not being able to relate to God the way the OT saints did, remember John3:1-8 & 4:24. We are made whole from the inside out. They were only made whole on the outside. Heb9:13,14.

          And I have to say, you show a great deal of maturity in the way you dealt with the death of your mom. It had to be very difficult to go through that. And the fact that you just let God be God is admirable. Even enviable. Your testimony in that blessed me.

          Keep the faith of Jesus. Do not be fooled by the outward show of something that is instead to be growing on the inside. A maturing spiritual walk with the Creator of all that has been made. Jesus Christ. What is being done in the inward man will manifest itself in ways that truly glorify God.
          Blessings:-}

        • Edwitness

          Dan Quixote’,
          That’s Gen.2. Oops:-)

          • Dan Quixoté

            10-4.

            Good references. The one from Hebrews, what I like to call ‘the Gospel of Better Things’, hinges on that strong lever of “How much more, then”, and finishes with my favorite ‘so-that’… ” to serve the living God!” (emphasis mine)

            Good chat, and good day!

  • DEAN

    Early on when I got saved, I went to a few Pentecostal churches. I’m not going to judge all Pentecostal churches but I had a disturbing experience in one that I will never forget. I had been going to this one particular church for a few months, even donated some money to help them buy a church bus to help them bring in more people. On one particular Sunday the pastor invited a woman minister to the church to speak. I was young in the faith and it didn’t quite dawn on me there was something wrong with that. This woman gave her sermon and mentioned she was eating in a restaurant one time and the Holy Spirit told her that the person sitting in front of her was a minister. She said she got up and introduced herself and found out it was true. Anyhow, when she finished her sermon, everyone got in line so they could have hands laid on them. This so-called minister was putting her hands on this one woman and telling her she could feel her pain in her body in a certain location. When I was up in front of her, she asked me if I was a minister, which I was not. She instantly discredited what she had said before. She seemed to get nervous when I told her no, and then she asked me if I wanted to be filled with the Holy Spirit and unknowingly, I said yes. I never should have let her touch me. When she did, this woman across from me immediately started crowing like a rooster, with her arms folded in her armpits. I then heard this demonic laughter and some force pushed me down on the floor. I tried to get up a couple of times and something pushed me back down on the floor. The whole time I heard this laughter and I initially thought it was the congregation. After several minutes, I was able to get up. Next week I had a meeting with the pastor and I told him that I didn’t think it was biblical for women to be ordained and his response was that I was reading too much of that King James Bible. Needless to say, I didn’t go back after that. I met him in the grocery store several months later and he asked me to come back to his church. I declined and brought up the experience which I hadn’t talked to him before about it and I mentioned the woman crowing and he said he didn’t see it. There would have been no way he could have missed it. That woman was making a spectacle of herself.

    Use some discernment. Is the Holy Spirit going to do anything that wouldn’t bring honor to God? I’ve seen clips of Benny Hinn and the Toronto blessing. I saw one woman staggering around with glassy eyes who took off her coat or sweater and shortly after that she tried to take her clothes off as the staff rushed to her to restrain her. I saw another person on the floor that sounded like a woman screaming hysterically and shaking uncontrollably. The camera zoomed in on the person and it was a man. Surely, people can see that these things are not of God?

    • froggie

      1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

      2 Timothy 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,

      1 John 4:1-3 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

      Matthew 7:15-20 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. …

      1 Timothy 4:1-5 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.

      2 John 1:7-11 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

  • Nancy

    http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/33rd.htm Keneth Hagin was a mason – check the list

  • Be careful what you speak for it will come back on you…. You believe these people have backslidden, then pray for them…

    More End Time News At:
    http://www.shininginthedark.com/?page_id=4526

  • I just listened to the video while scrolling down reading the comments, if anyone is thinking
    of making a documentary about the occult, they already have a script right here !

    Is there one person in that audience able to deceifer what that insane laughing is all about ?
    Straight jackets and padded cells comes to mind ? Also is this the only denomination that
    the Holy Spirit attends ? We are sealed by the Holy Spirit from the moment that we believe
    Eph 1:13-14, why isn’t the Holy Spirit anointing every denomination with this hysterical laughter ?
    Just a thought ?

    • froggie

      AMEN Brother !!

  • David Kaus

    Scripture clearly tells us that tongues would cease when that which was perfect had come.

    That which is perfect has come, the completed Scriptures.

    The purpose of tongues for the early church, which had only 4 New Testament books when 1 Corinthians was written, had a use and purpose. That has been fulfilled.

    Many people try to quote the Scripture to forbid not to speak in tongues completely out of the context of 1 Corinthians 12,13, and 14. They never mention the fact that Paul stated that tongues shall cease when that which is perfect is come. Nor do they state what Scripture says about that gift that it was given by the Holy Spirit to whom He wills.

    Today you have everyone going out trying to get this experience by themselves which is totally unbiblical. In addition you have others saying it is a baptism of the Holy Spirit which it can not possibly be if the Holy Spirit doesn’t give it to everyone. The real gift was not a pagan ecstatic tongues manifestation that you see those who try to promote it manifesting today. Which amounts to nothing more than saying bibbity, babbity, boo.

    What you are seeing today in churches with ecstatic tongues is nothing less than pagan mysticism. It fits very well into the Whore church agenda where it, and its accompaning “other spirit” are totally accepted. That should be a wake up call for everyone.

    All statements that are contrary to the above can be placed in the bin of not rightly dividing the Word of God correctly.

    The apostasy is happening today because there is a rejection of God’s Word with the use of corrupt bibles, a rejection of sound doctrine, using God’s Word deceitfully, taking things out of context, the acceptance of mysticism in its many forms like ecstatic tongues, carnal “Christian” rock music, a prosperity Gospel, a quick prayerism conversion, and a union with Rome and all other pagan religions, etc.. These are the methods being used to create the apostasy. The Church is being “Purposely Driven,” by agents who know exactly what they are doing.

    These people get away with their lies, and deceptions because people love not the truth as stated in Scripture, accept a false interpretation of truth, and love to be entertained. Anything is allowed because they say you can’t put God in a box. Well not putting God in a box amounts to everything I’ve stated above that is being used as the vehicles of apostasy.

    God gave us guide lines in Scripture. He doesn’t violate His own guide lines, and instructs us to study to show thyself approved of God, one that can rightly divide the Word of God, comparing Scripture with Scripture, and not taking things out of context.

    When people warn others about occult manifestations like Hagins, some others try to hang a guilt trip on them by saying we are not to judge others, where as Scripture tells us to judge with righteous judgment, to prove all things, and to try the spirits to see if they are from God.

    Have you noticed that those who admonish others not to judge, and condemn them do not even realize that they are judging in their condemnation. Such is the hypocrisy of the judge not crowd.

    They also tell you that you are going against a work of the Holy Spirit when you condemn people like Hagin. But they never once consider to warn people like Hagin that that is what they are doing. Especially in light of the fact that there is absolutely nothing in Scripture to back up what Hagin, Copeland, and Benny Hinn types are doing. In fact it is quite obvious that what they are doing is foreign to every thing that God and Scripture stands for.

    • Thank you very much David Kaus, for your excellent BIBLICAL explanations !

      • David Kaus

        You’re welcome Mike au.

        Did you notice that every Scripture Klm posted was a self indictment against one totally confused mind, and made a solid case to refute Klm’s heresy ?

        Now read the below Scripture carefully:

        11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

        12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

        13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

        14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

        15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

        First off does any one really believe that serious minded Jews attending a Holy Feast Day would ever give one moments notice to some one who is drunk ? Klm would but any one in their right mind in Jerusalem or any where else wouldn’t.

        Peter said harken to my words, and they did because he was having a profound impression on them which a drunk is incapable of. Can you imagine a Hagin or Copeland type being there acting like a ravening loon ? and then saying “harken unto me ?” Who would have listened but another loon.

        Now notice in verse 14 where Scripture says that “Peter stood up with the eleven” after they were mocked. Let me ask you some thing ? How could these men be staggering around like they were drunk if they had been sitting down when they gave forth with their tongues utterances as Scripture tells us they were ??? and then stood up to coherently address the crowd ?

        What we are seeing in Klm and others who try to confirm Hagin types is a preconditioned mind that tries to interpret Scripture in the confusion of an experience dictating to them what Scripture is saying.

        Such is the delusion the apostasy has been turned over to.

        • Kim

          You must twist the words printed plainly in the bible to fit what you want it to mean. I did not say they were drunk with wine like you twist my words too I said just what the bible said they appeared drunk to people like you who do not know the move of the spirit cause you don’t have the spirit. All your raving won’t change the words written plain as the nose on your face. you become angry when discussing it which should tell you something. You deny the power of God because it obviously has not manifested in your own life. Well I’ve received miracles following prayer by tongues speaking ministers and God has revealed himself numerous times to me miraculously and nothing you or Grider can ever say will change that fact and what I know that I know that I know so bashing me will get you nowhere except maybe further away from God for denying his miracle working power. He is the same today as he was yesterday whether you like it or not. You both are not the bible scholar know it all you think you are and the sooner you accept that you may get your own miracle. I just feel sorry for you that is all. You miss out on so much of God with your God limiting doubt and the little box you think you can Squeeze him in. He created your from dirt he can make you speak a language you never learned or laugh or anything he pleases like it or not!

    • Kim

      Quote the bible verse that says that the completed scriptures is what is referenced in that which is perfect?

  • KIm

    It says, “Others mocked them saying, ‘They are filled with new wine’” (2:13). Even Peter would later respond to this accusation by saying “These are people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day” (2:15).

    What an interesting way to describe the filling of the Holy Spirit, that the apostles were “drunk”. When you think of a group of people being drunk, even across different cultures, I think you can imagine the same scene–probably a boisterous, tipsy, and chaotic scene. I can imagine them falling over, being a little light headed, and laughing, intoxicated with the influence of the wine.

    The reason I think this is the case is because the accusation of being drunk doesn’t satisfy men simply standing there speaking in other human languages, because that’s quite a normal activity that happens (even though it was supernaturally given to them). This description given in Acts reveals a more chaotic scene as the influencing power of the Holy Spirit is on them.

    In short, I think the scene in Acts is one of men and women who are filled with the Spirit, and being drunk in His presence. This intoxicating presence leads them to speak in other languages declaring God’s praises, and leads to the possibility of other activities fit for the description of being drunk e.g. being tipsy, light-headed, falling over, laughing excessively.

    Ephesians 5:18

    And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit.

    We enter further into the New Testament, which I argue has a very robust and pervasive theology of the Holy Spirit. In Ephesians, Paul comments on being filled with the Spirit and contrasts it with “being drunk with wine.”

    The comparison is meant to show that there is a both strong connection and difference between being intoxicated with wine and being intoxicated with the Holy Spirit. The similarity, by nature of the metaphor, is that both are powerful controlling substances/agents.

    When alcohol enters our system it leads us to a number of things e.g. lowering of inhibition, fake friendliness, fake happiness, laughing at things, lower bodily control. These usually only bring us to bad places because people do stupid things when they’re drunk.

    When the Spirit is filling us, I think it leads to many of those things like alcohol, except in the opposite direction. Lowering of inhibition leads to boldness for Jesus, friendliness and supernatural joy, laughing at things (because God is quite funny), and lowering bodily control (an inherent quality of controlling substances).

    When people are filled with the Spirit, they do great things they will exhibit the fruit of the Spirit. But what I’m highlighting here is the phenomenological similarities between being drunk in the Spirit and being drunk with wine.

    Phillipchan.org

  • dean

    I don’t believe that tongues exist anymore. The gift of tongues was to speak in a known language. Even if it were to still exist, why does it not manifest in someone speaking an actual language such as Russian or Japanese. It is always unintelligible gibberish among charismatics which is not proof of the Holy Spirit indwelling in someone.

    • KIm

      For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.’ (1 Corinthians 14:2)

      • David Kaus

        Klm has no idea what she is talking about in 1 Corinthians 14:2 nor in anything else she says about her ecstatic tongues “experience.”

        To assert that the Holy Apostles were drunk at Pentecost is plain blasphemy. The admonitions God gives about the dangers of alcohol are very clear, and God does not contradict Himself, nor create confusion in the Church.

        The gift of unknown languages, tongues, a real language, was a gift of the Holy Spirit it could not be given unless the Holy Spirit was working through an individual to bring it forth. Many who had this gift could not interpret. They therefore could not understand it themselves, nor could any one else unless there was an interpretation given. So what was spoken through a tongues manifestation was a mystery to every one in the congregation but not to God. That is why Paul through the Holy Spirit gave the admonition not to speak with this gift unless the Church could be edified by an interpretation. This is the clear teaching of this Scriptural verse through a contextual reading of 1 Corinthians 12, 13, and 14.

        When Paul said that he wished that all could speak in tongues as he did, he was saying that figuratively, not literally. Paul was trying to emphasise the fact that he didn’t want to seem like he was against some one having this gift. Obviously Paul would not refute his own teaching that the Holy Spirit gave this gift to whomsoever He willed, and not to every one. All were not given the same gifts.

        Time and time again we see people like KLm quoting Scripture out of context, and not comparing Scripture with Scripture. They simply want to try to validate an unbiblical experience. Their experience is what they use to try to validate Scripture, and not the other way around.

        • Me

          Davis Kai’s does not know what he is talking about because he has never been filled with ghetto spirit. Enough said!

          • Me

            David Kaus

        • Kim

          David it is you who does not know what you are talking about. I’m sorry you have never experienced it so you think if it has not happened to you then it doesn’t happen to anyone. You are sadly deceived. I didn’t say they were drunk with wine I said they appeared drunk just like the Bible says. Have you ever seen a drunk person? Many times they laugh. Who are you and Grider to judge the Holy Spirit and how it manifests in others. Grider you need to take this blog down too like u did the Kenneth Copeland one because it also lacks the fruits of the spirit and makes your ministry a total joke claiming that you have the power to determine that people worshiping different than you are demon possessed. It has a spirit of darkness and hate. If he is faking God will judge you are just assuming he is possessed.

          • David Kaus

            Wrong Kim, you are in a delusion to believe a lie. And who are you to judge The Holy Spirit in an unbiblical way ???

            To believe that the Holy Spirit brought in the New Covenant by Holy men of God that testified of the Death, burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ for the sins of the world in a drunken state is simply blasphemy.

            You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about whatsoever.

            And you certainly do not have the Holy Spirit indwelling you but another spirit Paul warned the Church about.

            You are involved in utter nonsense, and occult activity, and you love it to be so.

    • KIm

      He didn’t want to stop the gifts of the Spirit but wants to help Christians to experience as much fruit as possible through the gifts of the Spirit.

      He doesn’t say: stop praying in tongues, but emphasises: ‘Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues.’ (1 Corinthians 14:5) Paul’s advice to the congregation is to prophesize more so the people understand God’s message, is being abused by many leaders all over the world to completely banish speaking in tongues from the congregations. But that is not what Paul intended!

      Let us learn to surrender ourselves deeply to the Spirit of God so God’s redemption can flow freely and many people can be deeply set free by Him.

      ‘As each one has received a special gift, employ it in serving one another as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. Whoever speaks, is to do so as one who is speaking the utterances of God; whoever serves is to do so as one who is serving by the strength which God supplies; so that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belongs the glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.’ (1 Peter 4:10-11)

  • KIm

    What happens to me during that time? Well, for sure, I feel the joy of the Lord. Joy is not something you can fake. There’s a real sense where the joy of God’s presence (Ps 16:11) is manifested in that moment. All my worries that I was presently thinking about are suddenly put into perspective of being in the presence of an overly joyous God. His joy wells up inside me and I can’t help but just laugh because my troubles are so silly. He loves me like crazy.

    It’s like God is tickling me and revelation is just flowing. I see and hear thoughts constantly; I literally want to write and tweet them out all the time. I will want to spontaneously dance and worship God, which I often will do. His presence on me is so strong with divine happiness and I will start praying in tongues.

    I’ve been drunk in front of my roommates before and they thought it was a very strange sight. That’s fine–I think it’s strange when people are drunk on wine. When I’m filled with God’s presence I am completely in another universe, the universe of God’s love.

    The Phenomenon of the Living God inside of Us

    To the concern of there being a phenomenological result at all when the Spirit of God comes on us, my concerns are actually opposite. My concern is when the living God of the universe enters a frail finite human frame, why isn’t there an even greater phenomenological response?

    Why aren’t we all blowing up with the amount of energy which exists in the Triune God dwelling inside of us? The fact that people, when filled with the Spirit of God, are falling over, shaking, or laughing uncontrollably seems almost like a small thing.

    To understand the phenomenon of being drunk in the Spirit, we have to come to understanding that God touches us not just in a “spiritual” way, but in a real physical way. I think this is the point of the biblical passages I brought forward. His presence is not just a force or a feeling, but it is the person of Jesus, with all his emotions and power dwelling inside our weak and frail bodies.

    Drunkenness as Operating From an Alternate Universe

    It is known that Jesus’ entire ministry is based on this: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing” (John 5:19). He does everything because he sees his Father in heaven doing it.

    It’s out of this that Jesus spends precious time praying alone with Father. His time with God completely dominated his life and informed his ministry. He did everything out of being connected with God.

    It is out of this which led him to do things that no one else thought was plausible. He waited an additional 2 days to heal Lazarus; he went into Jerusalem despite people wanting to kill him; he fed 5000 people with a few loaves and fish despite his disciples’ insistence. He simply saw things differently. It was as if he was operating from an alternative universe. Yes, it is the universe of his Father’s world.

    Being drunk in the Spirit is like that. When the Spirit of God is on you in a powerful way, you have access to the heavenlies like never before. You begin operating out of the presence of God residing in you. It’s quite a humorous and exciting experience when you are laughing with joy because God’s Spirit is on you in the midst of a context which is so depressed. It’s much better to operate out of divine joy than to operate out of the depressing spiritual environment you are in.

    Phillipchan.org

    • Well said Kim. I can tell you are a true worshipper…they will never know what they are missing & we do need to pray for the Body of Christ to come together in spirit & truth. I am sure many of these people sowing discord have never seen with their own eyes Jesus’ resurrection power. Maybe someday when they see someone praying over someone in tongues & are receiving revelation on how to pray for a situation beyond their native tongue, or have understanding that the devil does not understand that tongue but is used in warfare to dispatch heavenly hosts or perhaops used in combination with their their native language to raise the dead or receiving a prophetic word under the anointing & then speak the translation back to them in English, maybe then they will understand the power of the Holy Spirit. Give me a thousand Kathryn Kulmalman’s under the power of God any day of the week doing greater exploits than the apostles. Those that cling so tightly to just KJV are missing the boat with translations too.. I find their arguing terribly sad. We are in a season of joy and restoration and they are sowing discord among the brethren. If you are an Intercessor pray like never before. God bless you Kim. You have way more patience & love for them than I could muster this morning. Peace

      • eddie

        So if this has always been the manifestation of the Holy Ghost where is the evidence of this happening throughout the church age? When true believers were burned,tortured,falayed alive etc by Rome were they not filled with the Holy Spirit? Yet no mention of this nonsense. Why has this manifestaion only been evidenced since the early 1900’s?

        Connect the dots people; Hagin leads to…..Copeland leads to Palmer and the Jesuits….. the Jesuits lead to the pope and his father Satan. Alberto Riveria was right.

        The demon in Hagin was laughing at the stupid christains being made merchandise of.
        This charismatic cult is a fulfilment of the last days apostacy of christains that follow their emotions and will not endure sound doctrine.

        They would rather have fun and listen to doctrines of devils.

      • …”but is used in warfare to dispatch heavenly hosts”.

        No mere mortal man can dispatch heavenly hosts.

        …”or perhaps used in combination with their native language to raise the dead”…

        No mere mortal man can raise the dead.

        …”Give me a thousand Kathryn Kuhlmans under the power of God any day of the week doing greater
        exploits than the Apostles”…

        So, a false female preacher with no proven evidence of healing and deliverance, but with a proven
        background of fraud and adultery, was more powerful than the Apostles.

        ….”those that cling so tightly to just the KJV are missing the boat with translations too”…

        There is no other version.

        Another delusional Pentecostal Charismatic. We find their false beliefs, demonic worship services, and
        declarations of “don’t touch our anointed” and “spirit of religion” terribly sad.

        • David Kaus

          Amen Susan. Kathryn Kuhlman was a total fraud. Benny occult Hinn got his Kuhlman pagan manifestations by praying at Kuhlman’ grave site. The dead were visiting the dead. And more dead are following them today.

          • Elaine

            Amen Susan and David Kaus.

            “KATHRYN KUHLMAN”
            from “Occult ABC” by Kurt Koch, 1978
            In these chaotic days, we have not only the right but the duty to test every movement by the standard of the Holy Scriptures. In particular, we must direct a Biblical test-lamp onto the paths of outstanding personalities who come up like comets on the spiritual horizon.
            Excerpt : http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/kuhlman.htm
            Jerusalem Sept. 17, 1974
            Dear Dr. Koch,
            “I write because I don’t know anybody else who could answer my questions.
            “I have read Kathryn Kuhlman’s book, God Can Do It Again and was positively impressed. When K. K. came to Jerusalem last spring ( 1974), I went to her miracle service with great expectation. At the first meeting I felt happy, but afterwards I started to doubt.
            “1. How could she know when a person was healed?
            “2. With whose power was the healing done?
            “3. Why did the healed people fall on the floor, when she prayed for them?
            “I went to a second meeting and tried to pray the whole time, but also to watch carefully. After the healing service, K. K. left the platform, and went through the crowd standing in the big hall. Suddenly I felt an oppression and a fear that she should touch me. I closed my eyes, lifted my arms and prayed in Jesus’ name that God would help me. When K. K. passed in the place where I stood, she gripped my right arm very strongly for a moment. Nothing happened. After a while, I felt strong power, like electricity, above me, I felt like I was going to die. My arms were paralyzed and I couldn’t take them down immediately. Since then I have felt a big difficulty to believe that her power is from God. I have just finished K. K.’s second book, “I Believe in Miracles”. It seems to me very good and I can not understand why she gave me another impression.
            “I can’t get rid of my doubts alone, and they have not ceased to disturb me spiritually.
            “If you understand this and could answer me in spite of your huge burden of work, I would be extremely thankful.”
            This Finnish missionary is not alone in her experience. Others, myself included, have noticed the difference between the books and the person. Often people have told me that, by praying continuously through a meeting, they have become aware of an unscriptural atmosphere. It is possible even then for subjective elements to become mixed with objective assessment.
            Vim Malgo goes into the question of the “World Congress on the Holy Spirit” in Jerusalem. Four unscriptural points come out in this report.
            1. The Holy Spirit was the central theme. The Holy Spirit does not allow himself to be given a central place; the Holy Spirit makes Jesus central (John 16:13).
            2. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is identical with regeneration. A child of God is filled (Ephesians 5:18) ever more deeply with the Holy Spirit, according to his faithful obedience.
            3. The Holy Spirit does not allow himself to be the main person. Jesus says in John 16:14, “He will glorify me.”
            4. Finally, it was an ecumenical congress at which all shades of opinion were represented .
            Vim Malgo’s conclusion is that it was not the Holy Spirit who was at work, but other spirits. The so-called baptism of the Spirit is usually a baptism with spirits.
            Malgo says: “The spirits find one another.” In English we have the saying, “Birds of a feather flock together.” It is therefore characteristic that Kathryn Kuhlman was one of the main speakers and drew the largest number of hearers. This point has troubled me more and more over the years: Kathryn accepted invitations from wild extremists and stood on the same platform with them.

  • Elaine

    It was also called
    The Third-wave Movement, God forbid, we would have a 4th!

    Despite solid evidence to the contrary, Hagin insists: “Kenyon’s influence on my ministry has been minute. Only his teachings on the name of Jesus have mushc to do with my theology. I absolutely deny any metaphysical influences from Kenyon. I teach not Christian Science, but Christian sense.” (Hank Hanegraaff, Counterfeit Revival, 1997 citing Vinson Synan, “The Faith Of Kenneth Hagin”, Charisma & Christian Faith, 15:11 (June 1990), 68)
    Animal sounds: Redhead “mooing” at Kenneth Hagin meeting. See actual video!
    Spiritual Drunkenness: See where the Rodney Howard-Browne and Kenneth Copeland spiritual drunkeness came from. “Dad” Kenneth Hagin explains, defends and demonstrates it! See video Hagin slaying in spiritual drunkeness! Listen for his hissing, sticking out his tongue like a serpent and his claim that the Apostles on Pentecost were actually acting like drunks!
    Slaying in the Spirit: Kenneth Hagin passed it down to a whole generation!
    See actual video!
    Occult-like Trance: Kenneth Hagin See actual video!

    ESSEK WILLIAM KENYON
    The true father of the modern-day Faith movement. (deceased)

    Click here for a photo of the above. To return to this page from the photo, hit “Back” on your browser.
    Essek William Kenyon’s life and ministry were enormously impacted by such cults as Science of Mind, the Unity School of Christianity, Christian Science, and New Thought metaphysics. (E. W. Kenyon, The Father and His Family, 17th ed. (Lynnwood, WA: Kenyon’s Gospel Publishing Society, 1964), 100; cf. Kenneth E. Hagin, “The Incarnation,” The Word of Faith, December 1980, 14)

    Many of the phrases popularized by present-day prosperity preachers, such as “What I confess, I possess,” were originally coined by Kenyon. Kenneth Hagin … plagiarized much of Kenyon’s work, including the statement, “Every man who has been ‘born again’ is an Incarnation, and Christianity is a miracle. The believer is as much an Incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth.” (E. W. Kenyon, The Father and His Family, 17th ed. (Lynnwood, WA: Kenyon’s Gospel Publishing Society, 1964), 100; cf. Kenneth E. Hagin, “The Incarnation,” The Word of Faith, December 1980, 14)

    “If Jesus’ physical death could pay the penalty for Sin as some contend, then why is it necessary that a Christian die? If a Christian dies physically, does he not pay the penalty of his own sin? If physical death is the penalty for sin, then why do not the whole human race pay their own penalty, and save themselves, for all die? But we hold that the physical death of Jesus did not touch the sin issue at all.” (Daniel R. McConnell, A Different Gospel (Peabody, MA: Hendrickson Publishers, 1988), 23, 28 note 23)

    http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/quotes.html

  • Rodney

    Jesus said “Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” Now if read this text right Jesus is talking about spiritual discernment. And that is the problem here you have a formula but not the principal. You also want to look up the foolish virgins. A chilling tale!

  • Nathan

    i dont understand you people at all. so many people quick to down the Holy Spirit. tongues is not the least of the gifts. paul says he would rather people prophecy so they can translate what the holy spirit is speaking. all gifts are of equal importance. yes its easy,to fake but there are people who genuinely speak tongues from the holy spirit. not everyone has this gift. it doesnt mean your better or less. “what no eye has seen what no ear has heard what no human mind has,conceived the things god has prepared for those who love him” tongues are not for believers but unbelievers. you say your so mature in christ but you cant even accept his gift. and idk about this kenneth. like i said it is easy to fake but theres also the gift of discerning spirits.

  • Kim

    Grider what do you hope to accomplish here? Seems you enjoy strife among the so called brethren. Pitty you can’t find something more productive to winning lost souls to do with your time. Bickering should not set well with a Christian spirit but you seems to love it. Do your so called ministry a favor and stop bashing and judging people spreading the good news of Jesus. Let God judge especially in areas where you are assuming things about others and don’t have hard cole biblical facts to back you up and no your opinion and interpretation are not fact. You call people demon possessed but truth is you don’t know that at all and you post that stuff because you do not know and seek moral support on your views from your readers. You feel that because you have not spoken in tonges that as righteous as you are it can’t be real so you need others to tell you that it is not real that way you don’t feel inadequate and inferior to those who do speak in tongues. You make yourself look like you think you know everything there is to know about your Creator which is not humanly possible and like you believe you are the only one who does know but you’re just a lump of clay like the rest of us. You are in no way superior to other men of God who have been following Him a lot longer than you and have graduated into a higher relationship with Him than you have. You would be surprised what the spirit will teach and show you if you just admit to him that you need truth revealed to you because you don’t begin to know it all like you think. Seems to me that you waste a lot of time monitoring the comments on this site instead of seeking The wisdom of the all knowing through his Word and prayer. This constant arguing online about how right you are and how wrong all other men of God who have dedicated more time to it than you is counterproductive to your so called mission. You basically call people who read your site liars if they have experienced something that you have not and who are you to limit the power of God working in their lives and call their testimony lies. Pray for truth to be revealed to you in all things then tell yourself and your followers that you don’t know it all and let the spirit be the teacher then and only then can you lead the lost in the truth. Stop depending on your fleshly knowledge and let the Spirit of God lead you to truth and reveal it to you and others as He sees fit. When he reveals it to you stop being a doubting Thomas and let Him be the limitless God He is. Your ministry teaches people that miracles and the limitless power of God is impossible. WIth God all things are possible. The blind can’t lead the blind anywhere. I pray God delivers you and that you one day proclaim on this site “I once was blind but now I see.” I pray he fills you with his spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. As hard as you try you can not put God in your little Grider box. He will be the miracle worker and manifest supernaturally to those who believe while youre still on this site declaring He can not. We will still receive the gift of tonges prophecy miracles healing etc… with or without your approval. All I can say to you is you don’t have a clue what blessings and what a close relationship with Christ you and your followers are missing out on. When you depend on your own self righteousness and earthy knowledge and your limited brain you will be so disappointed. Let God be your righteousness and the source of your knowledge not your limited fleshly mind. Go to Jerry Golden ministries “the golden report” and read his true story “burned alive” everyone on this blog. Then you will see the miracle working God you can serve and while your at it support his God given mission. He needs all the help he can get cause time is short. You want to give to someone other than a mega church preacher that you think is stealing money for jet planes then help Jerry he has no church, rents his home and is on a mission from the Almighty and needs our help NOW. Just do it and stop all this fighting you will receive a great blessing maybe not in wealth but in knowing you stopped thinking about how right you are and how much you know and how much you love your money long enough to help a brother trying to save lives. You can’t take it with you. The stock markets are crashing. Give it to God while you still can and store treasures in Heaven to lay at the feet of your savior not for yourself. It you think Jerry is a liar too who is just after your money then keep it and watch it burn soon. Give like you expect nothing back and you may be greeted in Heaven someday by hundreds who made it there because you trusted God to be Jerry’s judge.

    • Nathan

      truth.

  • susan morrow

    If you don’t have love for one another you have nothing

    Love
    1If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.…
    http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/13-2.htm

  • oluwaseyi

    I just wonder why someone will call a beautiful thing as this demonic, I think you have a personal resentment towards hagin, probably because u don’t believe his teachings, I don’t have to validate the life experiences he gives bit one thing I know for sure is that he is never far away from scriptural truths wch are evidently visible for anyone who care to see. I will advice those with biases to first approach his teachings with a clear clean mind free of biases, of course with the Scriptures to find out whether what he is saying is true or not, just like the berean Christians did in the Scriptures.

  • God’sGirl

    Oluwaseyi you are spot-on.

  • Godwin Kelvin Kelly

    you are doing a good work Geoffrey but i will refute your statement one on one that Bro Hagin is not a true man of God (false prophet as you call him) and all he wrote i always compare with the scriptures. i speak in tongue and i have experience the power of Jesus in his fullness through the teachings of Kenneth Hagin, The First book of his that i read is Growing up spiritually which was a solid bible based book; study his book “why tongues”. i am sure if Hagin is false so is EW Kenyon, John G Lake, William E Seymour, Jack Coe, Kathryn Khulman, William Braham and all of them great revivalist. If u arent experiencing the power of God from the bible does not mean u should castigate and pull down those that are.

    Look into your life i am sure Geoffrey u hunger for the supernatural, there are few men of God in America today that i can point to but i will pick this 4 out DL Moody, Kenneth hagin, EW Kenyon, John G Lake. Nothing can convince otherwise , this men are true men of God. If i may ask u have u experienced the supernatural. No wonder ur article says Mark 15:15-16 is not for this dispensation; open ur eyes, the word of God applies in his fullness to every child of God. Jesus made that possible he broke down principalities and power, destroy death and gave man immortality. Glory to God, for your information i layed hands on my dad after he suffered a bout of flu. There is power in that name. I respect what you are doing but you need to track back a little, this men (hagin inclusive) have touched life more than your website of criticism could.

    • Godwin kelvin Kelly,
      No “man of God” would ever say and believe that he is a much God as Jesus is. Yet Hagin did;
      “Man…was created on terms of equality with God, and he could stand in God’s presence without any consciousness of inferiority…. God has made us as much like Himself as possible…. He made us the same class of being that He is Himself…. Man lived in the realm of God. He lived on terms equal with God…. [T]he believer is called Christ….That’s who we are; we’re Christ!”
      From; Kenneth E. Hagin, “Zoe: The God-Kind of Life” (Tulsa, OK: Kenneth Hagin Ministries, Inc., 1989), pp. 35-36, 41.

      This is blasphemy. You follow these men at your own peril.

  • Godwin Kelvin Kelly

    EdWitness
    Thats not blasphemy, carefully read Romans 8:1- 30; John 1:12; these are scriptures that carefully states our positions as God children. Do not be sentimental in your words; people took up stones to cast at Jesus when he said he was the same with the Father. Read John 8; see dear, God loves us so much left his heavenly throne became flesh to give us life and immortality 2 Tim 1:10 (But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel).

    Hagin said this from the consciousness of the scriptures; if truly you are a child of God (thats if you are and not an opposition) then the Holy spirit will convince you about the word and bring to your heart the kind of life meant for man at Eden which was brought to us again by Jesus. God has dominion over everytin but man handed the dominion God gave him to dominate the earth to the devil. Open your eyes and understand the believer’s authority in Christ Jesus. Before you respond to me read the scriptures i said above and compare bible commentaries with what Hagin said. Listen the wisdom of man is foolishness to God and mind you if you dont have the Holy spirit in you. You will fumble and drown in darkness.

  • Godwin Kelvin Kelly

    Ed Witness.
    Any teaching that contradicts the bible is not for me; but i read EW Kenyon and realise one thing; God’s word is a seal for our lives and faith in God is unlimited. Have faith in God, because you dont experience the supernatural in your life does not mean you should cast a snare at those that. Have u ever healed the sick, have u ever slept and God spoke to you through dreams and visions, have u ever read the bible and breakdown hard sentences.

    Dont drown in darkness; there is power in the name of Jesus; a power more than any of you in NTEB can imagine

  • Godwin Kelvin Kelly,
    None of the scriptures you gave nor your own comments say in any way that man can be a God. But, Isaiah did indeed tell what the only true God told him to when he said in Isaiah 43:10; “Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: BEFORE ME THERE WAS NO GOD FORMED, NIETHER SHALL THERE BE AFTER ME.” We will always be creation. God alone is the creator. That is what makes Him holy. He is separate from His creation because He alone is the creator.

    There is indeed power in the name of Jesus. But, anyone who says that we are as much God as Jesus is commits blasphemy. So if you really reject “any teaching that contradicts the Bible” then you should reject the teaching of Hagin and those that teach the same. As I have shown you here, what they teach is not Biblical.

  • Godwin Kelvin Kelly

    Edwitness,
    I have read Hagin’s book and it has inspired me and making me better day after day and opened my eyes up on the word of God. Triumphant church is a book that will help any christain grow which was written by Hagin. Can u note the words of most of the persons that commented on this topic which is full anger, anguish and hatred. Sincerely that’s not the fruit of the spirit, God does not lie, if the books is based on God’s word i will not reject it. You guys on NTEB are sentimentalists, who go about condemning without praying for people even when they are wrong. I see people raving, ranting and cursing and yet with no iota of godliness in them. If you dont know ur authority in Christ and his words that declared ye are gods or that we are God’s children (mind u not everyone in the world can lay claim to been God’s children) only those that are born again with water and spirit.

    I believe in visions, i believe that Hagin, Kenyon, Copeland, Meyer, Piper, Bosworth, Aimee semple-macpherson, William Braham, Smith wigglesworth etc. are Men of God and have personal relationship with Jesus but i will never believe hates. Continue raving here while we move on with the spirit and power. Like i said the foolishness of God is wiser than the wisdom of men. What you know abt God is like you beholding yourself in a mirror.

    God bless you and Geoffrey, i know u can see this. Stop insulting men of God and don’t give room for unbelievers and facial christains to do the same, if you notice error, correct in love, pray for them and not loud it (i am sure if we were in the dark ages, you would have subjected Hagin to death by the guillotine). Even you, you are not perfect and most of ur articles are false alarms. when i started out on your websites, i hated all the so called false pastor (i have watched all ur videos abt their error) and i lost my joy but i told God to open my eyes. I read Triumphant church by Hagin and i know so many things that you guys dont know (God uses people in different ways to his Glory).

    If you do all u do just to castigate people and pull them down with ur article u will not excel.

    God bless you.

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