Turkey Moves Closer To Dictatorship With Seizure Of Nation’s Largest Newspaper Zaman

The move to seize Zaman and put it under the administration of a court-appointed panel of trustees emphasized what critics say is a rapid deterioration of free-speech rights under the Islamist government of Mr. Erdogan, who was prime minister for more than a decade before being elected president in 2014.
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Backed by a court order, the Turkish authorities moved on Friday to seize Zaman, the country’s most widely circulated newspaper, in the latest crackdown by the government of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on freedom of the press.

“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” 1 John 2:18 (KJV)

EDITOR’S NOTE: People have long wondered if Recep Tayyip Erdogan is the Antichrist. While the verdict is still out on that possibility, one thing we now know about him for sure after the seizure of Turkey’s largest newspaper, Zaman. He’s a power-hungry dictator in the mold of Adolf Hitler. See photo below for the very uncanny resemblance he has to the Nazi leader. Click here to read what Erdogan had to say about Nazi Germany and Turkey.

The seizing of the newspaper also highlighted the government’s building campaign against those it perceives to be its two greatest enemies: opposition journalists and the followers of Fethullah Gulen, a Muslim cleric affiliated with the newspaper who lives in exile in Pennsylvania. Mr. Gulen was once an ally of Mr. Erdogan’s but is now a bitter enemy.

As news of the takeover became public Friday afternoon, supporters began gathering in front of the newspaper’s offices in Istanbul, and employees locked a door to the building. In a live-stream broadcast on the newspaper’s website, supporters were seen chanting, “Free press cannot be silenced.” Some carried Turkish flags and banners emblazoned with, “Do not touch my newspaper.” Columnists from the paper were also seen addressing the crowd.

Later Friday night, Turkish police used tear gas and water cannon to disperse the crowd and forcibly enter the building.

“We are going through the darkest and gloomiest days in terms of freedom of the press, which is a major benchmark for democracy and the rule of law,” read a statement issued by the editors of Today’s Zaman, an English-language sister publication to Zaman. “Intellectuals, businesspeople, celebrities, civil society organizations, media organizations and journalists are being silenced via threats and blackmail.”

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Yes, the is actually what Recep Tayyip Erdogan looks like.

The move to seize Zaman and put it under the administration of a court-appointed panel of trustees emphasized what critics say is a rapid deterioration of free-speech rights under the Islamist government of Mr. Erdogan, who was prime minister for more than a decade before being elected president in 2014.

The executive director of the Committee to Protect Journalists, Joel Simon, said in a statement on Friday, “Rather than taking aggressive action to undermine the newspapers, Turkish authorities should be fulfilling their constitutional obligation to defend press freedom and rights of the journalists.”

The crackdown on expression comes amid a growing sense that Turkey, once seen as a bastion of stability in a hostile region, is being enveloped by instability.

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  • John C

    I’ve read a lot of material about this same subject of him being the Antichrist. It’s certainly possible that he is the beast from the sea. It had been speculated that Turkey is part of the Roman Empire.

    If this is the case, our time is very short with the Rapture any day now.

    • Cooleemee edd

      Yeah, John. I can see that. “What if…” this gem of a madman is the Antichrist AND the Pope is the False Prophet? That would “put the band back together” (as they say in my favorite movie “The Blues Brothers.” By that, I mean that the two halves of the Roman Empire (Constantinople…now Istanbul, and Rome itself) would be brought back together. I’m not the first to notice this, I’m sure! Perhaps there is a THIRD piece of Rome…which might be Russia (as in the Orthodox Church breaking off from the Roman Catholic Church). Wouldn’t that be a combination?

      • DC

        and the Pope DID just meet with his counterpart in the Orthodox church. You might be on to something.

  • Skywatcher

    Brother Geoffrey, thank you, for sharing this with us. May I GENTLY encourage you or somebody else to please go back and proofread your articles prior to posting? I.E., “Editor’s note: While the verdict is still out on that possibility, one thing he now know about him…” The caption under the picture of the two men, “Yes, the is actually what Recep Tayyip Erdogan looks like.”

    We make mistakes in our posts also, but that is quite often because there is not an “Edit” button which will enlarge our post, so that we can see it better to read, and to find the errors to correct before posting. Missing words or incorrect words make it time consuming and difficult to read, as ofttimes, we have to go back over the sentence to try to figure out which word was really intended. Like a counterfeit bible, a wrong word that fits in nicely changes the message. It takes only as long as it takes to read the article to find the errors. In my typing classes, we were taught to have SOMEONE else do the proofreading, with a fresh set of eyes. I say that as a word of encouragement, and not as a slam. You do excellent work, as I said yesterday, but this would polish it up just that much more, and make it that much more pleasant to read. 🙂

    The pictures of the two men are eerily similar! As to the story, is there ANY mainstream newspaper that is telling the truth or worth losing one’s life over? From years of looking on, all news has been so severely edited/censored, so the masses get propaganda and very little truthful news anyway. I don’t see what the big hoopla is all about in this article, especially if they get the same caliber of news that we get in N. America.

  • Char

    Wow! Twins! Looks like they did the same thing we did. They elected the WRONG guy that turned out to be a maniacal, power hungry Antichrist. Does this sound familiar? Oh ya, pretty much describes America’s wrong choice in the White House Mosque, but now they’re too deep in to get rid of him (again, sounds like us) and many (democrats) are about to make the same mistake over again if they elect the HIldabeast. One day closer to the Lord’s return!

  • Skywatcher

    Char, it will be neat to see how this pans out! I wonder if Turkey will end up with the same turmoil that Syria has? Turkey is the hotbed for Islam, and they will NOT take anything sitting down, or from their constituents. Grab some pop corn, a sugary soda, and pull up for the whole show! 🙂 Then again…you’re right! We may not be here to see that one! Christ is going to change the channel one of these days…

  • Char

    Skywatcher, yes, it’s getting exciting and interesting to see who’s going to do what next, but I thought we were NOT going to know who the AC is because we would be gone, so if he’s the AC, then we will be out of here mighty soon before he knows it himself. Yeah, hurray and all that jazz! P.S. I’ll take extra butter with that popcorn cuz it won’t matter how many calories in it anymore when I’m up there (I’ll just have to get a larger robe). Have a great day in the Lord!

    • DC

      Char, Skywatcher just told me he doesn’t know what calories are. haha

      • Skywatcher

        DC, I could look like a Clapp pear with legs under it, and still not know what a calorie looks like! 🙂 I know they know where I live, but they’re pretty ghostly! They never make an appearance…or maybe, I’m missing that part of Life’s experience! Excuse me, I have to grab a Coffee Crisp!

        • DC

          I heard that when you break a cookie in half the calories fall out. We got crumbs everywhere at my house!

          • Skywatcher

            DC, seems to me that you and I have been battling a bit of a crumb here! I hope I never get on your bad side! I just read a couple of your last comments to Damning Dianne, and she may have “shot both barrels”, but you brought out the cannons. I’d love to meet her in person; she’s probably a mighty nice lady when her knickers aren’t in a knot! You did well! I think she’s Emery’s twin sister! Wink, WINK! 🙂 I love DD with the love of the Lord, and wish her nothing but God’s best…beginning with humility.
            God Bless you, my dear sister in Christ! Have yourself a royal evening! Be very careful, as I don’t want to see you all bandaged up from tripping over those calories! Is it fishing season where BB is? I haven’t heard from our beloved brother for a “long time” now. Over and out!

    • Char, from all my research I believe that we will be here when the AC is revealed to us. Again from my research I do not believe in a pretribulation rapture. We Christians are going to have to go thru the tribulation, we will be persecuted and hated. I’m telling you this, because we have to prepare for what is coming, we have to bring as many as we can to Christ. We do not have to be afraid as long as we are standing strong in our Lord. If you would like to know what I have been researching please comment back. God bless.

      • DC

        I DO believe in a pre-Trib rapture and I won’t go into a long spiel, b/c you’ve probably read all the verses that more knowledgeable pre-Tribbers than I have argued. I will only say this: God saved Noah from the flood and Lot from Sodom & Gomorrah, and he’s going to save us from the worst too.

  • ROSSANO WAGNER

    After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it {was} diverse from all the beasts that {were} before it; and it had ten horns.
    I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn {were} eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
    Daniel 7:7,8

  • And I saw the earth bow to him, but the Saints were beheaded…

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  • MG

    Turkey…hmmm…pretty far from me. Uuhhm Uh, a muslim country and well…I really; nope…it’s not my problem. Sounds to me like an internal problem for the “people” I sympathize because of the secret dictatorship ruling this country, but this is another country- mine….the one I dwell in- so I’m more concerned with this country and the “people” my people who are in harms way from Federalists and new world order hit teams here. Thanks for the drama mention. And further, it’s unlikely that there are any real Christians over there. Catholics, Orthodox, etc; but not truly born again people. So it all comes down to muslims killing muslims. Just because someone, or the MEDIA calls you Christian does not mean that you are.

    • Skywatcher

      AMEN, Bro!

  • Char

    DC and Skywatcher, you two sure are lucky since the calories fall out of DCs cookies and Skywatcher never heard of them. I think they are all coming to my house to plague me. Let’s designate this a NO CAL Saturday and eat up all the cookies and popcorn we desire cuz Jesus is coming soon and we can go right into the Marriage Feast and not worry about those old pesky calories ever again. God Bless!

    • Skywatcher

      Hello there, my beloved sister, Char! I agree! Let’s call it “NO CAL Saturday”! I’ve got 5 cookies into me already! I might have to pull out the old Redenbacher later on, with a good Christian movie to boot! Why don’t y’all come on over! Pick up BB, Edwitness, Tracy, and the rest of the gang on your way!

      I need to clarify something Char…I’ve HEARD about calories; I’ve never ever seen one! I see the alleged affects of the poor little things, and the affects appear to be much bigger than they are! I use calories as a witnessing tool. People will say, how can you believe in a God that you cannot see? I say, how can you believe calories that YOU’VE never seen really make a person fat?!

      I need to put another log in the fire! Have a blessed evening!

      • DC

        I’ve been eating banana muffins with chocolate chips. I mean, the bananas were getting really brown and the chips were half gone and needed to be used up, so what’s a girl to do?

    • DC

      If only calories were the worst of our concerns, but as you said, we need not fear b/c Jesus is coming.

  • bremertonchristian

    MG: Just because you say you’re a Christian doesn’t mean YOU are. EVERY tribe, nation, and tongue. That includes Turkey. Skywatcher: popcorn and soda pop to sit back and watch Turkey turn into the next Syria, really? Come on brothers these are real people, potentially going through hell on Earth. One man’s pain is another man’s pleasure.

    • Skywatcher

      bremertonchristian, Paalease! Give us a break man! You said, “Come on brothers these are real people, potentially going through hell on Earth.”

      You honestly don’t believe we know these are real people? To tell you the truth bremer, I’ve listened to the trumped up foolishness of Syria and the propaganda that goes with that for soooo long (a daily diatribe of propaganda for 5 looonnnng years)! I HONESTLY couldn’t care less if another “Syria” erupts in Turkey or Iraq! These people are bred to hate, to fight, to kill, and to destroy! Does that remind you of anybody? I Peter 5:8. It’s too late, but I wish our own governments had the human decency and the care for their own people to have shut the borders down to any of them 25 years ago!

      One man’s pain is another man’s pleasure. Do you not believe we pray for peace in that crazy part of the world? Come on! Must there be one in every barrel to be so quick to jump all over people who are really not that concerned about what’s happening over there, when just as bad or worse is going to erupt in N. America in the very near future! This thing happening in Turkey is nothing more than an attempt to grab attention and to break up the monotony in the North American news as to what’s going on in our own front yards! I don’t see them giving a rat’s tail about what goes on here! Those same human demons are making plans to dominate N. America and the world.

      Seriously! My Bible tells me this is supposed to happen in the last days; I’m not going to spend all my time on my knees or fretting and fuming about what’s going on over there when our own government is mistreating its own people! We have thousands of men and women sleeping out on the streets, and if you don’t know it, it gets mighty cold here in Canada! Right now, it is -5C and the weather site says it feels like -15C! We have food banks that have no food in them! We have thousands of unemployed and homeless people and businesses shutting down every day, while our corrupt government gives the rapefugees $46,000 each to come here to live! They are spending $46M to provide these folks with Qu’rans, prayer mats, mosques, vehicles, etc. etc., you think I should be so concerned about those in Turkey, while our own go without? I’m sorry, but I cannot do anything but pray for the salvation of the Turks, and continue with living while I still can! I’m not trying to be rude, but what have you done for your OWN people today? Did you minister to anybody in a Senior’s home this week? Did you provide some groceries or pay a bill for a down and out soul? Going back to my popcorn now, really!

    • DC

      Sky is often tongue-in-cheek, as am I. Of course he cares about those people, esp. the Christians being persecuted. I get emails daily from Liberty Relief and the suffering is so deep and our gov’t does nothing to help them–like only 2% of the refugees we’ve taken in have been Christians; the rest are able-bodied young male Muslims. Sometimes we us gallows humor to deal with all the pain….

  • Judith Tarver

    Brother Geoffrey,

    When I read this I was amazed when I saw the name Gulen as it reminded me of an article
    by Center for Security Policy site entitled, BOOK RELEASE: The Gulen Movement: Turkey’s Islamic Supremacist Cult and its Contributions to the Civilization Jihad. Release on December 2015

    The site is https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/12/18/book-release-the-gulen-movement-tur

    Bad news as it has damaged this country and the world.

    Judith T.

    • DC

      Thanks for sharing that Judith. Interestingly, I just read about it yesterday on prophecytrackers.org.
      Scary that Gulen is in the US.

  • Char

    Skywatcher, okay, I promise next time we’re all in the neighborhood, we’ll drop by, so get ready to put another log on the fire and pop the corn. Yes, I agree that calories are a good witnessing tool (that’s the ONLY thing they’re good for). Take care.

  • carson

    yeah at the rate he’s going he’s going to make that little kim from north korea jealous.
    But then he’s not the only one/country moving in on what used to be considered only north korea’s way’s.

    lots of articles out from the UK last year on ..talk..of banning select speech that might be disparaging to the government, and the ukraine just did, and they installed by the west do they reflect those who installed them?..and articles from other nations on similar things..
    There used to be an old song-turning japanese (and economically they all are), but is it now also, turning north korean?

    it’s a wide road that leads to perdition, hope many will see it’s end course, the judgement of God for sin and unbelief, and get off the wide road and be saved in Christ.

  • Char

    Dana, thank you for your comment, but I believe beyond the shadow of a doubt that we ARE NOT going to be here for the tribulation. Many scriptures to prove it, so thank you anyway, but I will continue to believe we will be out of here VERY soon. I hope the Lord reveals to you very soon that there will be a pre-tribulation rapture. God Bless!

  • Char

    Dana, also all the comments you made that we are to bring in as many as we can to the Lord before it’s too late is absolutely true and also that we may be persecuted, but not by God, but by man. He says in His word that He will keep us from His wrath and He certainly doesn’t want a beat up bride when we get there. Again, pray and seek his wisdom and discernment. You are mislead on this subject. The tribulation is for God to deal with His people, the Jews, for their rejection and when the LAST Gentile is in, we’re out. He will revert back to law and He won’t be mixing law and grace together. We are in the age of grace right now and we are the Body of Christ that will be raptured out of here and that being VERY soon. God Bless!

    • Heather

      Absolutely, Amen Char! I read recently where Jordan in finally preparing to install the cameras on the temple mount. The Christ rejecting world is going to hate the message of two witnesses, not to mention the 144,000 Jewish witnesses, and the gospel message of the angel flying through out the earth.

  • Heather

    Revelation 7:1-4King James Version (KJV)

    Dana, the following verses show whom it is that will be proclaiming the gospel of Jesus Christ in the time of Jacob’s trouble. Could you post some verses showing specifically that the “Church” during the age of grace will be proclaiming the gospel in the time of the tribulation? I haven’t been able to find any.

    7 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the
    wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

    2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four
    angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

    3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

    4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Revelation 7 :1-4

    ■■■We see the purpose of the 144,000, these tribulation saints have washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb.■■■

    9 AFTER THIS I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; Revelation 7 : 9

    3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. Revelation 11:3

    6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Revelation 14:6

  • David Kaus

    The Middle East ans Asia Minor Heating Up In More Than One Way.

    Bombarded by asteroids within the next few weeks: Super Comet Nibiru Warns Prominent Rabbi

    Super-Comet Nibiru Could Threaten Entire Planet, Warns Prominent Rabbi

    http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/62890/prominent-rabbi-confirms-nibiru-possible-jewish-world/?utm_source=Breaking+Israel+News&utm_camp

    • DC

      David, now that I’m thinking about it, I believe you were the one who gave good news sources as an alternative to FOX (I don’t even have CNN, MSNBC, etc in my custom line up; they’re hidden along with shopping channels and such). You like breakingisraelnews? I see it on omegaletter and read a lot of the articles. Other suggestions are welcomed; and I’ll write them down this time. 🙂

  • Char

    Heather, Your comments to Dana Bassett are an Amen to you too! I don’t know where she’s getting her “research”, but it doesn’t seem like it’s from the Word, but there are many people who believe in the post trib and that’s too bad for them. There’s so many verses showing the rapture is pre-trib, but people just don’t get it. It’s a shame. Some will be arguing the post trib til they’re halfway up in the air to meet the Lord and VERY soon, I might add! I hope Dana really reads the verses you gave her and prays about it and the Holy Spirit will enlighten her.

    • Skywatcher

      AMEN, Sis! Most of these people who do not believe in the Pre-trib rapture are SDA’s, who’ve sat under the ministries of deceptive cult leaders, who’ve cleverly twisted the Scriptures to suit their own purposes. Christ wants a beautiful Bride, and not one that is badly beaten and bruised up! You both hang in there; you have the truth! God bless you!

    • Skywatcher

      Girls, I think you’ll find that Dianne is a SDA, and as we know, they do not believe in the Rapture, even though it is in Scripture…”in black and white”.

      • Dianne

        Skywatcher, you need to STOP spreading LIES about people that YOU DO NOT KNOW. I have told you before that I AM NOT SDA.

        Proverbs 18:8 The words of a talebearer are wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly.

        Leviticus 19:16 thou SHALT NOT go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt stand against the blood of thy neighbor:
        I AM THE LORD.

        • Skywatcher

          Dianne, I’d like to say, “Welcome back” but I’d be lying! Did they just release you from the insane asylum or something? It was soooo peaceful here without you! I was so sure God had answered the prayers of many of His saints, but here you are, you sweet little darlin’! You’re just as vehement as you were weeks ago! Just sayin’… I see you’re still as nasty as ever on the post today, “Pastor Calls for Execution of Homosexuals”. Have you EVER tried being nice? It really is a lot of fun, and Christlike too!

          • Dianne

            Skywatcher, you are by far the BIGGEST BULLY of them all, next to DONALD TRUMP of course. You are hardly “nice” as you FALSELY accused me of being SDA. But you have to continue in putting your foot in your mouth instead of acknowledging that you deliberately lied in your post about me to others. Let’s SEE if YOUR NEXT post to me will be as you say “nice”.

            Judge not, that ye be not judged.
            For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
            And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but CONSIDEREST NOT the BEAM that is in thine own EYE?
            Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, let me pull the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a BEAM is in thine own eye?
            Thou HYPOCRITE, first cast out the BEAM out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast the mote out of thy brother’s eye. Mathew 7:1-5

        • Skywatcher

          Dianne, sweet little sugar plum! You said I wouldn’t be nice to you in my next post to you! WRONG! I didn’t spread any lie as to you being a SDA; I, like everybody else was observing by your venomous remarks as you come out of the “starting gate” in response to posts. I observed and assumed, as all cultists show little to no mercy in their rebukes or comments, that you were one of them. My bad! I’m deeply sorry! What was I really thinking when I said that? I don’t suppose it was really anything you had said? Anyway, I apologize for allowing the flesh to get in the way of our potentially wonderful relationship! You did tell me you weren’t SDA, that’s right. My mistake! You act more like a JW! Your own words condemn you! Even Geoffrey bites back at your toxic remarks. Go back to your fire; Hansel and Gretel await you! I MUST give you credit where credit is due…you love coming back for more! Wink! 😉

          • Dianne

            Skywatcher, He that keepeth his mouth keepeth his life: but he that openeth wide his lips shall have destruction. Proverbs 13:3
            They have sharpened their tongues like a serpent; adders’ poison is under their lips. Selah Psalms 140:3
            There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Proverbs 14:12

            Then said HE unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but WOE unto him, through whom they come! Luke 17:1

  • Char

    Hey DC, as I wrote to Heather re: Dana Bassette and her belief in the post-trib that I hope and pray she does more “research” as she said, but in the Word and the Holy Spirit will reveal to her that it’s plain and easy to understand that there WILL be a pre-tribulation rapture and VERY soon.

    I also agree that we have to use up our bananas before they get over ripe. I did that the other night on top of my ice cream with caramel topping. I had to use up that last banana. God Bless!

    • DC

      Oh, ice cream is my downfall. My husband is picking some up on his way home from fishing. Hot fudge was on sale at our grocery store yesterday, so I had no choice but to get some! I do buy “homemade” types of ice cream, w/o the high-fructose corn syrup, so my conscience is clear. I actually gave up ice cream for Lent a few years ago, when I still observed it, and it was a tough time.
      Blessings.
      DC

      • Heather

        DC, have you tried Blue Bell ice cream? I tried it for the first time a couple of years ago and it was soooo good. I got addicted to the milk chocolate kind. I would get a big bowl full and mix it until it was like shake consistency and then eat it with a spoon. It tastes just like the chocolate shakes one would get from Chic Fal a or Burger King, but even better. I did that for a whole year lol. I had to stop because I put on 15 lbs, maybe 20. After a month or two I lost those extra lbs, thank goodness!

        • DC

          No, I’ll have to check it out. It’s not carried at our hometown store, where I usually buy ice cream. It’s a little bit of a drive to where I do my bigger grocery shopping and even with insulated bags I worry about melting, perish the thought!

  • Char

    David Kaus, thank you for the info on the website on end times. I just clicked on to it. Looks very interesting and informative. I will keep it in my computer click on’s. God Bless!

    • David Kaus

      You’re welcome Char

      God Bless.

    • DC

      Yes, thanks again for the natural news site, David; I wrote that one down too. Your ‘leave a reply’ didn’t work, so we’re Waaaay down heeeeere. It happened to me a few minutes ago on another story on this blog.

      • David Kaus

        You’re welcome DC

        Reply box checked, thanks.

      • Skywatcher

        DC, I hear ya! I too, get the same feeling that we’re “going to get caught passing notes”! Geoffrey obviously sees that there is kinship and ministry happening here, and is o.k. with it. I love the spirit and liberty that is among us. When we are truly grafted into the true Vine, Jesus Christ, this is how it is supposed to be! John 15 gives us such a beautiful picture of what it is like to be attached to Him.

        I’ve been using your same exercise regimen, and I must say…I could use a few more stretches, ’cause I’m sitting at this computer way too long! Last evening, when I finished, I got up and it felt like I had water forming on the knees…however that feels! I just know they were stiffer than they were meant to be!

        My scales that I use to weigh in people’s metals and myself are Imperial, nothing but the best for a child of the King! I had over 1.000 lbs on them the other day, and I WASN’T ON THEM EITHER, David! 🙂

        I hear metric is going to be adopted in the US of A in the near future. Any truth to that? I surely hope not!!! If there ever was a hell on earth (which I don’t believe), that would be the beginning of it! We are being so financially raped in our grocery stores these days, as they are now selling by the gram, so much /100 grams. What in this world is that? I can tell you in simple layman’s terms…it’s a whole lot of nothing for a huge wad of cash! I’m just smart enough to KNOW that it’s not wise to buy anything in those amounts! What should cost a dollar will cost you close to ten OR MORE!

        God bless you all,
        A fellow twig in the True Vine, Jn. 15

        • Heather

          Skywatcher, you should take a look into getting yourself a tablet. Then you can lay back on the bed and read and post comments etc. Sitting at the computer for long periods of time can put such a strain on your back as well as all other parts of the body. It’s almost the same as having a computer. It’s so mobile you can take it anywhere in the house, as well as outside sitting on the porch catching some rays while your interacting with all of us. Heck, you can even read NTEB articles while your sitting on the toilet. Lol

          • Skywatcher

            Hi there, Heather! As soon as I started to read your encouraging post, the first thing in my mind was, hey! I could take that thing to the can with me too! And then…there it was at the end of YOUR paragraph! Too funny! NO! I would never take it there! Don’t you know those things have hidden microphones and cameras in them like your cell phone?! I don’t want to be all over the net for the wrong reasons! Thanks, for the thoughtful suggestion though!

            Char, don’t you worry! If I was taking that thing into the lieu with me, I’d have a string tied on it! :O

          • Heather

            Lol Skywatcher! I see there is ton’s of comments on here tonight from all my friends. I just got home from work a couple of hours ago. Gotta to get busy reading them…I see Pistol Peter’s posting tonight! Yeah, he is so funny and took us on such an adventure the other day with Grannie DD!

  • Char

    DC, oh my, you ARE addicted. I never knew there was a homemade kind. I’ll have to look for that. I just look at the different kinds, like chocolate, vanilla, etc. Back in my non-believing days, I actually went to a hypnotist to keep me from eating sweets. It actually worked for about 6 months, but that old addiction started creeping back in and there I was chowing on donuts again and have not stopped since. I need to go to rehab. If your husband brings home some fish, that’s always a healthy meal (unless you fry it), then you can top it off with the good stuff afterwards.

    • Skywatcher

      Char and DC, I just slid three slices of gumdrop pound cake down my gullet. It went down so easily. I never dropped a single calorie on the floor either! I got ’em all!:)

      I see our brother David Kaus, has been sending you links to Naturalnews.com. That is an excellent site, however…wait for it…drum roll, please! If you truly want to eat healthy, STOP EATING RIGHT NOW! There’s not a single food in ANY food group that hasn’t been genetically modified, manipulated or contaminated. I was on that kick for several years, trying to omit this and that because it had this and that in it. To do so, meant I had to stop eating altogether.

      “Organics” is nothing more than a huge commercial scam, unless the food was grown indoors and without chemicals of any kind. The chemtrails destroy the “organic” value of ANYTHING grown outside.
      Char, you said fish is healthy, and last evening, DC, you and hubby were chowing down on lobster. I love lobster, but there is a very good reason why God commanded Israel not to eat it! They eat the dead bodies, mercury, lead, etc. off the bottom of the ocean. When we eat them, we eat it!

      I hate to break it to you, but there is NOT one single fish coming out of our bays or oceans that is safe enough to eat since the Fukushima meltdown! I’ve done my research! In fact, in Canada, our Dept. of Environment STOPPED giving out the daily radiation levels on the very day it happened! This was a service we had for years up to that point! So, what are they hiding? I confronted them and they sent me on a wild goose chase where I could find them; a fool’s errand. They weren’t anywhere to be found!

      Sea lions, shellfish, etc. have been dying off by the hundreds on the coastline of California, but the bought-off media keeps it off the airwaves! The meltdown is still happening in Japan, and it’s something like 400,000 tons of waste water that is being allowed to flow into the ocean daily! Combine that with the ongoing effects of the BP oil spill…ummm! Some tasty!

      Highliner fish is raised in septic tanks in China! I kid you not! And, right beside these tanks are Big Pharma companies, whose affluent is allowed to cycle through these fish tanks! Listen…how can we dare eat anything coming from a country that puts melamine into children’s milk?! Trust me, I don’t speak out about anything I don’t know about for sure, or have not done my own research on. We’re being poisoned from every direction. Even the chemtrails are affecting us so bad in the East here, that it’s sickening to listen to people complaining about their “allergies” acting up. Allergies they NEVER had before!

      My nose and those of my friends run almost constantly now. We blow them, and there isn’t even enough moisture to wet the Kleenex! Yet, they’re running! Explain that one to me if you can!

      Two falls ago, the Canadian Broadcasting Company (CBC) News hooked onto the tail end of one of their late night news stories, just before people got up to go to the bathroom or to refill their bowl with ice cream, “We can anticipate more respiratory illnesses in the coming months ahead.” Well, slap me silly! How in the world do we suppose they got that “prophetic” insight? From WHO and the CDC that’s who! They conjure up and formulate these vaccines and chemtrails that give us these viruses and illnesses, so Big Pharma can make BIG on it! As most of us know, it’s one vicious cycle, and we are the consumers who have to eat to survive…

      Then, try to convince these allergy-ridden idiots that they are suffering side affects from the chemtrails! They look at ya like ya have 8 heads, and don’t know how to use any one of them, or you’re Jack the Ripper! Then…the fools go to their drugstore and buy meds for an allergy THEY DON’T EVEN HAVE! Who’s the fool in this scenario? 🙂

      Having said all that, please allow me to share a little secret with ya’s. Please don’t let this get out! I eat almost anything, but I do stay away from salt fish. The truth is, we CANNOT avoid all the poisons they’re feeding us, but we CAN avoid those we know about!

      One more…many people have been told and believe they are lactose intolerant! NO THEY’RE NOT! They’re intolerant of the poisonous chemical that has been added to preserve it to its “Best Before” date! I finally found a source of pure, unpasteurized whole cows or goats milk, and let me tell you…it is sweet revival and the acid reflux is at a bare minimal now! I go without milk if I cannot get the real pure stuff! GERD is nasty!

      You see, there’s a very good reason why our local dairy farmers are not allowed to sell a tablespoon of pure unadulterated milk! It keeps almost everybody on a regimen of poison! To overcome lactose intolerance in the governmental way, they buy product such as Lactaid that helps them to digest the poisoned slop! More money needlessly spent to Big Pharma!

      I pray before I eat, asking God’s blessing. I’m not sure if I get it or not because I eat foods I KNOW are not “healthy”/contaminated, but so far, I’m as healthy as a horse on Sunnymede Ranch. If my food isn’t blessed, then I have the blessed assurance that maybe one day, it will be the taxi that gets me to the airport where I’ll finally be taken to meet my Savior and Lord.

      We need to be careful though to avoid those that we can! Check out calcium chloride online. It’s in your canned tomato products. If you have children and grandchildren, you’ve been truly blessed!!!

      God bless ya’s!

      • David Kaus

        You’re getting fatter by the second Skywatcher.

        “Char and DC, I just slid three slices of gumdrop pound cake down my gullet. It went down so easily. I never dropped a single calorie on the floor either! I got ’em all!:)”

        I’ll bet you’re after the next three right now.

        • Skywatcher

          Hey, Bro! You’d lose that bet! 🙂 My scales are still my friend, and I’ll work those pieces off tomorrow! Good to hear from ya! I’ve been reading your very informative posts and enjoying them! As you have seen, I really enjoy Ranger Mike Adams and Naturalnews.com! That’s a really eye-opening site!

          God bless you!

          • David Kaus

            Hello Skywatcher.

            The only reason you couldn’t down the next three was that there were none left 🙂

            How’s the weather in Nova Scotia ?

            By the way you must have know, or heard of Perry Rockwood who preached out of Nova Scotia.

            The Health Range, Mike Adams, has some great information on organic farming, and government scams on his web site like vaccines.

            God bless

          • DC

            But your scales are in metric! So you all weigh under 100. The Brits weigh even less, as a “stone” is like 14 pounds! We selfish Americans love being one of only 2 rebellious countries in the world to avoid metric, though Carter did try, bless his heart. We caved on the 2L bottles, but that’s about it.

            Very true story: when my bro lived in International Falls, MN we drove over to the Canada side. My mom noticed and commented that the gas signs were in liters and the distances in kilometers. Then she saw a population sign and I told her the number was also off/in metric and, gullible sweetheart that she is, she believed me! That was almost 20 yrs ago and my bro was just talking about it.

            Btw, I consider typing long posts to be exercise. I really should’ve been carb-loading with all I’ve been writing lately. Also when my library has its monthly sales I have to bend down to see what’s on the lower shelves. Those are my “squats.” Walking back and forth to the fridge is also good–you work off what you eat. Hey, if Obama can call reading a book “work” then I can call it exercise.

            I can’t believe (yes, I can) how off-topic we can get when it comes to food. I feel like I’m still in school and the teacher’s going to catch me passing notes and tell me to pay attention. I really love you guys!

        • Skywatcher

          Brother, you chickened out and didn’t hit your reply button! 🙁

          You said, “The only reason you couldn’t down the next three was that there were none left 🙂

          How’s the weather in Nova Scotia ?

          By the way you must have know, or heard of Perry Rockwood who preached out of Nova Scotia.

          The Health Range, Mike Adams, has some great information on organic farming, and government scams on his web site like vaccines.

          The weather is beautiful! It’s a sunny day, starting to set, but the wind was cool. The thermostick is at 0 F presently. And yes…I saved some cake for my bedtime snack! I might not get to eat again before morning if I don’t have my snack! I’m doing well, 162 lbs isn’t that bad. I’m 4 ft 3.

          I’m kidding about my height! I’m taller than that! 🙂 AND LAUGHING! Perry F. Rockwood…as a lad growing up, I heard him begging for money so much, I can imitate him to the “T”! In fact, I looked after a couple of his grandsons once, while their mother and father went to FL for a week. Dear old saint Perry & sons broke that marriage up. Yep! I’ve heard him and of him… The old time Baptists around here stick to him like flies on a sticky paper! He was the best, and I will admit…his preaching was right on, from what I understood back then. His old man’s grainy radio voice and constant begging for money on a DAILY basis turned me off of him.

          • David Kaus

            I did clicked on it Skywatcher but at times I go and search some thing out half way through a post and when I come back I find I have to make sure I check the reply box again. That might have happened with my last post to you.

            We had a bright sunny day today with temps around 55 F.

            Better a 4’3″ bowling ball at 162 lbs that a 3’4″ one. 🙂

            I listened to Perry many times on radio. He lived to be 90 something. I believe even in his 90’s he still preached several times a week as well as do his radio broadcast, etc.

            Perry was one of the few who exposed Billy Graham for what he was, and he was right on top of the ecumenical movement.

            Looking for you next post and munchie undate that will bring you in around 2’1′ and 190 lbs, simply Titanic.

            The reply box has been rechecked and it is checked.

          • David Kaus

            By the way Skywatcher, I can still from memory hear Perry’s sign off and mailing address ………. The People’s Gospel Hour, Nova Scotia, Canada, B3J 3A1.

            AMAZING !!!

      • DC

        Skywatcher, I know what you’re saying. Almost all corn and soy products are GMOs (we grow our own corn/other veggies) and milk and other products have hormones given to the animals transferred to us. I think the rise in allergies and cancer have a lot to do with what’s in our food too. Soon meat won’t have to be labeled where it comes from. Yes, we love the little bottom feeders now and then, and I don’t mean people we disagree with! We only buy sea food that’s wild caught in the US/Canada. Do not buy any “raised in farms in Indonesia/China” no matter how cheap Walmart sells them b/c, as you said, they are raised in human waste.
        Whether it’s preservatives, red dye # (can’t remember), aylar on apples (insecticides), etc. we have to be so careful, but we can’t avoid everything. Then when they do stop using insecticides we get, well, insects, like our state bird, the mosquito, which now causes Zica, a reason to hate them even more!
        Manna from heaven every meal, every day for 40 years sounded so boring to me. I mean, how many ways can you fix manna? French toast manna, garlic bread manna, bruschetta, hmm,not many. Betty Crocker wasn’t in the desert…now it doesnt’s sound so bad.

        • Skywatcher

          You are so funny, DC! “Yes, we love the little bottom feeders now and then, and I don’t mean people we disagree with!”

          I have no idea what you’re referring to! :)- “And the liar shall have his part in the lake of fire…”

          As I said before, even the wild caught stock from our oceans is full of radiation from Fukushima. On Youtube, there is a man who is showing the levels of radiation in the snow, and it’s unbelievable! My days of a nice cool refreshing chunk of snow eating is over! Even if it is white!

          Every food on the planet is no longer safe to eat. You mention the various and limited way to prepare manna, and even one would get tired of quail everyday too! Isn’t it ironic…in the New Heaven and Earth, there is a brand new fruit on the Tree of Life every month! Always a new flavor and only a few days to figure out the best recipes before they’re gone forever!

          • DC

            Frank Zappa reference; I’m impressed! Wonder how Moon Unit Dweezil are doing?

      • Heather

        Skywatcher, in reference to all the poisoning going on, for the past 3 to 4 years I have not physically felt right. I used to have at least 3 days a week when if a had a good nights sleep, I would feel full of energy the next day. Yet now, I’m tired all the time. It doesn’t matter if I get a good nights sleep, I’m still physically tired the next day. I rarely get sick though. It’s just constant fatigue. Is anyone else experiancing being constantly fatigued?

        • DC

          Oh, yes, Heather. I had insomnia for 3 months last summer and now I can get to sleep and am wide awake way too early. I’ve been up today since 4:10; I just can’t fall back to sleep. I don’t nap well, either, so I’m in a fog some days (some “daze.”)

          Have you had a physical lately? Have your glucose and thyroid checked; both cause fatigue. Allergies can also make you tired. My dr. scared me and had my heart checked, but PTL all was ok. Too much sugar or caffeine can give us a temporary boost but then a crash. I don’t know where you live, but winter always drains my energy here in overcast MI. The sun gives us vitamin D3, but we don’t get it during the winter. There are lamps you can buy for fake sunshine. I do recommend vitamin D3–mine’s in my calcium pill and I take it year-round, also B12, B6, magnesium, and other vitamins & minerals.

          If you have other symptoms you can go to webmd, but I’ve spent too much time there and have scared myself, so I don’t recommend it for diagnosis, b/c fatigue can be caused by almost anything.

          • Heather

            Thank you DC. I will take your advice on the vitamins. I did have complete bloodwork testing done about 4 years ago and all was normal way back then lol. I remember the day when enforcement came for Obamacrappy care or else pay a fine. I immediately turned to God in prayer telling Him that He is my Great Physician and Healer and that I put my faith and trust in Him alone to keep us well and not some fraudulent health care system. Praise the Lord, I have not caught one major cold since then. God is faithful.
            I can see He honored my prayer. Last winter and this winter my co workers took turns giving eachother some nasty sicknesses as it just spread around our work place. I just kept thanking God as I remained well! Smiling……

          • Skywatcher

            DC, I’ve had and am having the exact symptoms you are, and I notice it moreso after they’ve chemtrailed my Skyspace! Last summer was horrible for me in that I was waking up way too early, and like you, I don’t get naps during the day…I have to work. I even had stiff neck last summer that lasted for just about as long. It was no picnic, and we can expect worse this year, as they pile more onto/into us!

            Do not take magnesium unless your doc says it’s o.k., because it can cause havoc too.

          • DC

            Why not take magnesium? I’m almost out, so I guess I should know everything before I get more. I get my vitamin info from godshealthsystem.com/blog and they pull articles from everywhere before giving advice.

          • Skywatcher

            DC, it is never wise to take anything without a doc’s approval first. Most people who sell medicinal herbs/natural remedies will also caution you in that regard. Take a couple of minutes and look online to see what too much magnesium can do to a person. Each of us has a chemical make-up, and too much of one thing or another can play some mighty serious havoc with various components of your body, i.e. central nervous system, cardiovascular system, etc.

            I share because I care!

        • Skywatcher

          Good morning, Heather!

          I’m discovering that as I get older, I seem to be requiring less sleep at night, but after being up for an hour or so, I feel like I’d like to take a nap. This is partially because of my age, and partially because I’m not as active as I was while pecking on a ‘puter. I find that once I get myself into the mindset where I want to do something, move around, bee-bop all over the place, my heart works faster, I have all kinds of energy, and I get things done, and the fatigue has long since gone! We’re becoming too sedate, killing our hearts, the engine of our body, at the same time. It’s a muscle, and it needs to be exercised regularly, and that means being active and doing things.

          We need to drink plenty of water, which helps to keep the system flushed out and working healthfully. I read somewhere recently, that water helps to keep our energy level up. That does not include coffee, tea, or juice, as my kidney specialist told me almost 30 years ago. When “stuff” is put into water, it changes its chemistry, so it doesn’t work at full capacity like it was meant to.

          Fatigue is also one of the side effects of the chemtrails, unfortunately. There is nothing we can do about those unless they are exposed in a huge way, and enough people join the uproar.

          Stress also causes fatigue, and that’s part of the reason why the Holy Spirit gave us I Peter 5:7. You know that one off by heart!

          A peculiar thing in my life is this, as I’ve observed…I can be tired and ready to drop on the floor into a sleep until…somebody comes along and says, “Hey! You want to go fishing?!” or whatever, and then I’m wide awake, full of energy and blasting off into an adventure. I’m suddenly the extreme polar opposite to what I was a moment ago!

          Many of us are just BORED! We get into a rut; one day flows into another without much excitement going on around us to keep us aroused, stimulated, and consequently, activated! We’re like a compute in “sleep mode” most of the time. Many people are ready to die and are getting bored with the waiting because they don’t have much hope, the world is in such global despair, etc.. That’s a very sad commentary and only WE have the ability to change it in our individual lives. Once we recognize the problem, with God’s grace and help, we can rectify it! How? So glad you asked, Heather!

          We need to find things to do and people to do things with to keep that level of excitement and energy up and healthy. I find the most invigorating thing in my life besides witnessing for Christ, is surprising people with little blessings! Popping in unannounced and asking if there is anything I can help them with. Dropping a little bag of groceries off at a home that I know that is in need. Making a quick phone call to cheer somebody up. Basically, I enjoy life to the fullest when I’m looking past myself and pouring God’s love into others. The energy level is unbelievable, and we create bridges of opportunity for further ministry in the lives of those people we have blessed.

          I hope this helps a little! God bless you, my dear sister, as you look for those golden opportunities of service today! 🙂 Your loving brother in Christ…Skywatcher

          • Heather

            My dear brother Skywatcher, I honestly believe it’s the increase in chemtrails as you mentioned. I live in the Western NC Mountains and just about every day when I walk out my doors I see tracks in the sky. It’s the same at my place of work. I suppose it’s a combination between that and the poison they are putting in our foods. Not to mention I do have a poor diet, I don’t drink more than 8 oz’s of water per day and don’t take vitamins. I guess there’s my answer. Lol My physical health doesn’t seem to be connecting with my spiritual health. My spiritual health in the Lord is very energized, esspecially in these last days. I hope you have a blessed day my elder brother in Christ. Off to work now…..

    • DC

      The brand I buy is actually called “Homemade.” I like home made baked goods but not store bought–all those preservatives. My husband is the REAL sweet tooth, who could give you a run for your money. He thinks Little Debbie is part of the family, and I’m glad I’m not tempted by those. I once read that my beloved UP was the “Twinkie capitol of the world” or something like that. Guess that’s why the folks up North “preserve so well.”

      No luck with the fishing. Too late for ice fishing and right now there’s a thin frozen layer of ice, so he couldn’t cast from the shore. We’re going to have temps 50-60 degrees for the rest of the week, so as we say, “In Michigan you can fishigan.”
      I go half and half with frying sometimes and baking other times.

  • Debbie

    Has anyone considered that the antichrist might be of Jewish blood?

    • Skywatcher

      Debbie, with all due respect, who cares as to who the AC is or what he may be?! The Word of God proves we’re not going to be here to prove it one way or the other. 🙂 Why are so many people so caught up with the AC and so strongly neglecting Jesus Christ in other ways? Satan loves that, and I find this rather perplexing. There was a time that I REALLY wanted to know who is going to be the AC, but then the Holy Spirit reminded me, I know JC and I don’t need to know any other.

    • David Kaus

      Hello Debbie

      Yes and there is strong evidence that he will be Jewish.

      2 Timothy 3:16

      “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

      The Holy Spirit gave us information in Scripture about many things, and anti Christ is one of the main topics of the last days. A study of this end time dictator doesn’t mean that we are neglecting other things we are to be about as Christians. It would be rather odd that an interest in who this individual is would not be aroused as close as we are to the building of the Third Temple in Israel knowing that anti Christ is so closely connected to it. In fact knowing good Scriptural information on this subject could open the eyes of some Jews who are deceived into believing the Messiah will arrive with the building of the third Temple but in fact it will be one who will come in his own name to deceive them.

      During the Protestant Reformation the pope stood out as the anti Christ very vividly to all the reformers, and they identified him as such to every one, and knew the Scriptures that identified popery as anti Christ. Now in that period of history the pope certainly did fulfill many of the characteristics of the anti Christ but not all of them.

      In our times we have the nation of Israel back in its home land, talk of a Third Temple, a Sanhedren has reformed, the Temple vestments, and vessels made ready for use, a one world religion forming, an apostate Church, wars and rumors of wars, earthquakes, etc all happening before our eyes. There is little doubt in any one’s mind that the finally fulfillment of the lawless, man of sin is at hand.

      If you are interested I’ll post more on the subject.

      • DC

        Yes, I’m interested. I remember someone saying the pope called Luther the AC and Luther called the pope the AC. Then of course the replacement theology which said everything was over with in 70 A.D., though how they got around the Jews coming back into Israel (1948) is beyond me.

        As I said to Sky earlier, I appreciate the time you take to share what you know. Thanks!

        • David Kaus

          Ok DC. and you are welcome.

          Luther and the rest of the Reformers all called the pope the anti Christ because they knew the Scriptures that identified him as such in his time. We should know those Scriptures today as well. The pope certainly sat in the Temple of God showing himself that he was God.

          Thomas Cramer who wrote the preface to the Great Bible, and was a martyr, spoke concerning the pope at his martyrdom….”….as for the pope, I refuse him as Christ’s enemy, and anti Christ, with all false doctrine.”

          Many of the popes thought that they were God.

          http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/pope-quotes-verify-they-are-antichrist-son-of-perdition/

          Guess who else thinks the pope is God ?

          April 2008 WETN TV: “Mr. President” ( a news man talking to George W. Bush) “When you looked into Benedict the XVI eyes what did you see ?”

          Bush replies: “God”

          Take a look at the demonic glee in Bush’s eyes when he proclaim he saw God in the pope’s eyes. The only thing he saw was satan.

          President Bush Sees GOD in Popes eyes – YouTube
          Video for george w. bush says he saw god in pope benedict xvi▶ 1:49

          Apr 19, 2008 – Uploaded by tam3939
          President Bush Sees GOD in Popes eyes. tam3939 … Benedict’s Resignation Sets Stage for Petrus Romanus …

          Ian Paisley a Protestant minister and E.U. Parliment member in 1979 denounced pope John 2 as anti Christ publicly as the pope was speaking at an E.U. session. It created quite an uproar. Paisley had things thrown at him, he was booed, and forcibly ejected from the floor.

          I’ll post the anit Christ information a bit later. Stay tuned.

          • DC

            No way! I can’t believe I voted for Bush twice, but what choice was there? Jeb’s a Catholic, tho.

          • Skywatcher

            Brother David and all, while I was reading my Foxe’s Book of Martyrs today, I came across an interesting tidbit that would really throw the Bush baby off his stroller! He thought he was looking into the eyes of God…what would he have done if he had had the chance to sit in the presence of THREE presiding popes AT THE SAME TIME, as the Protestant Reformer, John Huss had! There was Pope John, whom the Italians had set up; Gregory (France); and Benedict (Spain)!

            Why, Bush wouldn’t know what to do with himself, being in the presence of three gods! He wouldn’t have long to be confused or perplexed, two were demoted at the General Council of Constance in 1414. So much for their omnipotence! Apparently, there wasn’t much muss or struggle.

      • Skywatcher

        Hey there, Bro. It happened again, here’s your last post, so I can reply to it here, so’s it makes a lick of sense:

        I did clicked on it Skywatcher but at times I go and search some thing out half way through a post and when I come back I find I have to make sure I check the reply box again. That might have happened with my last post to you.

        We had a bright sunny day today with temps around 55 F.

        Better a 4’3″ bowling ball at 162 lbs that a 3’4″ one. :)

        I listened to Perry many times on radio. He lived to be 90 something. I believe even in his 90’s he still preached several times a week as well as do his radio broadcast, etc.

        Perry was one of the few who exposed Billy Graham for what he was, and he was right on top of the ecumenical movement.

        Looking for you next post and munchie undate that will bring you in around 2’1′ and 190 lbs, simply Titanic.

        The reply box has been rechecked and it is checked.
        David Kaus
        6 March 2016 at 6:11 pm

        By the way Skywatcher, I can still from memory hear Perry’s sign off and mailing address ………. The People’s Gospel Hour, Nova Scotia, Canada, B3J 3A1.

        AMAZING !!!

        Yes, Perry definitely was a clanging symbol for our Lord, and you’re right, he died an old man. He was two weeks shy of 91 when he checked out. Amazing is right! You have the address down to the last letter! At least one of his sons still carries on a radio ministry. I hear little snippets on our local “Christain” radio station. I was too young to understand much about what he was preaching, but my grampy had me as a captive audience when I was in the truck with him and “Perry F” came across those old AM airwaves with the softness of sandpaper!

        I didn’t know he had the “goods” on Billy Graham. I wish I had heard those messages, because almost all of my life, I thought Billy was the next best thing to being a Protestant pope, if there ever was one. In the Bible belt that I grew up in, he was regarded as such.

        It will soon be my feedin’ time again! I cannot keep this gorgeous physique if I don’t look after it! Please stand by! We’ll pause now, for a word from our commercial sponsor…

        • David Kaus

          Skywatcher something is not working all the time with the “leave a reply” box when checked.

          One of your post above had no reply box to it.

          This is one rowdy crowd I got involved with today. DC must keep her husband tied out back licking the salt block. I wonder if she lets him in at night ? See how women treat 4’3″ 190 lbs people ? Is DC the same as Debbie or are they separate feminist 🙂 I’m I going to get it for that one.

          Skywatcher you have to get Henri Merle D’Aubigne’s five volume set “The History of The Reformation.” D’Aubigne spend 15 years of research in writing those five books. I stumbled across it at a library sale and got all five volumes and about 8 other books for five dollars. D’Aubigne goes over in detail the occurrence of the three popes.

          The Babylonian captivity led to the pope being taken to France for 70 years. When that ended the pope returned to Rome but died a years later. The election of a new pope was determined by a mob of Italians who wanted no further french pope. After that twisted arm election the french cardinals left Rome and elected their own pope in France. A third came along some time later as a result of Rome trying to fix the problem. The first two popes excommunicated each other. No one knew who was on first. It was Abbott and Costello all over again. You couldn’t make some thing like this up if you tried. Maybe history will repeat itself !!!

          Enjoy you bed time munchie.

          • Skywatcher

            “Rowdy crowd”! Merciful! I walk around here in my soft-soled bedroom slippers, hoping not to get a good clobberin’ on here! And YOU, then you have the nerve to come on here and ask whether or not DC is the same as Debbie or are they separate feminists! Oh, you’re in for a world of hurt! I was treading softly, and you came stompin’ right in here with steel-toed boots on, Perry F. Rockwood style:) WAAAYYY TO GOOOO!

            Have you seen Pistol Peter’s ramblin’s lately?

            Perhaps you’re right, David! I should get me a set of those books. Seeing that yours is well used now, I’ll offer you $2.00 (US) and a box of oatmeal cookies (chewy)! That’s sacrificial giving on my part, you know! I haven’t decided what to munch on yet. Maybe, I’ll wait until tomorrow now, it’s a might big decision for one to make at such a late hour (11:30 pm).

            I think we’ve all given our minds a bit of a spiritual rest, for the most part today. We’ve cut loose, had a lot of fun, learned and shared much, and have united in Spirit and in truth. It’s all good, my brother! I’m soon going to cash in. God bless you beyond your wildest dreams!

        • David Kaus

          Hello again Skywatcher………less. 🙂

          I hope your slippers are on.

          No you can’t have my five volume set for $2, but the oatmeal cookies almost sealed the deal.

          What a day we had today. It was sunny and in the mid 60’s F. I made it down to the organic farm and got some fresh spinach, carrots, onions, etc. Now I’m going to make some veggie/beef soup. Yummmmmmmmei good.

          We should all be a lot healter now for laughter maketh good like a medicine.

          I’ve seen Pistol Pete’s pompous, posturing. propaganda, predilections posted presumptuoustly. He has to be one of us. 🙂

          Have a great day, and God bless, David.

          • Pistol Peter

            Hey, c’mon, bro! Give the wrinkled little guy a break! That’ almost $10 Canadian, and you only put out 5 American presidents to begin with! This is Pistol Peter here! What d’ya mean posturin’? I’ll have ye know that my first gold tooth came from Klondike countray. It came in when I t’was a mere saplin’ of 5 of 6 years of age. Funny how life has d’em thar strange twists of fate! I recollect puttin’ my tooth under the pillar for d’a tooth fairy to give me money, and s/he swapped my gold tooth for a full set of d’em thar denture things! They don’t fit real well o’er the top of the 8 remain’in teeth!

            On d’a upper side of d’em thar dentures, t’was stamped, “Shady Pastures Funeral Home”! I gave ’em to cousin Jemalline, and she used ’em in one of her taxidermied squirrels. Why, there was never a bigger smile in all of Georgia over two or three walnuts like that one had! I’m some glad the good Lord above created the squirrels! That right there, was one awful looking man-made substitoot and it would’ve been a serious lesson in biologee, if the crazy scientists had seen it! They’d be packing up their books and leaving Nature to look after the reproducin’! We don’t need d’em thar hybrids nohow.

            What’s goin’ on in Turkey today? Has anybody had their ear to the ground for the latest stompin? I been sitting back quiet like, listening to y’all commentin’ on here. David, is there a cure for d’at “P” fetish y’ur totin’ around? It’s taken me 20 minutes to type this message out, checkin’ with Mr. Webster to see what kind ‘a words them be. By the way, “presumptuoustly” ain’t a word! Have I got to teach you youngin’s how to spell? Couldn’t find ’em in my concordance no how. Are yew sure them’s even biblical? You must be usin’ one of them “modern messes” as Skyscraper calls ’em, are ye?

            I’m a headin’ off to my stall now; got ice worms to catch early in the mornin’ a’fore the sun comes up. Y’all have a mighty blessed night, ya hear! I love ya’s! Don’t be takin’ any wooden nickels! God bless y’all real good!

          • David Kaus

            Pistol Packing Pete

            I’m heading over to the nearest Pentecostal church for an interpretation of your last post utterance. Truly amazing.

            Stay in the shade it helps when the bulb wattage gets lowered after the dentures come in.

            Have a great day Pistol, and God Bless.

          • Skywatcher

            Good morning, Brother David K and all! No need for slippers here this morning! We’re got freezing rain coming down from my lofty perch in the sky. One needs bare feet at a time like this, toenails fully extended for winter traction! 🙂

            We’ll I thought $2. was a reasonable offer, seeing you bought them used, and now, you’ve reused them! I should’ve added another package of cookies! Truth be known, Bro, I have so much reading material here
            that I’ll need three lives to read it all!

            I guess we’re getting our fair share (and then some) of that medicine! Where in the world does that Pistol Peter come up with that stuff! 🙂 Why, he’s crazier than a mink in breedin’ season! I declare!

            I must hasten on to quickly look at some of the other posts that came in and then live up to my promise to reply to our dear brother BB’s query. I can see that this day is going to rush right past me!

            God bless you all, be happy, healthy, safe, and above all…madly in love with King Jesus!

    • DC

      Yes, I’ve heard that. Also Roman, Muslim, Obama, Greece’s Tsparis (sp?) who knows? I don’t think even he knows until the devil enters him. I know you’re just curious, but I’m like Sky, I used to speculate but, since we won’t be here, no worries. Too bad for those left behind, though. We have a troll on the latest Trump article mocking those who are anxious for Christ’s return, and I thought, boy, you’re in for a big surprise. I pray he doesn’t put off accepting the Savior. It won’t be funny when he’s rudely awakened.

    • David Kaus

      Hello DC

      I didn’t forget about getting back to you about the anti Christ being Jewish but had to wrap up reading some new information on the subject that was very detailed.

      First of all the Jews have been expecting the Messiah since Moses spoke of a prophet God would send to Israel “of their brethren” like unto him, faithful in all His house. No other nationality but Jewish was ever considered concerning the Messiah. The prophecies concerning Him spoke of Him coming from Bethlehem, Judah, and also He was to be of the lineage of David a Jew. It would be inconceivable to any Jew to have the Messiah be any thing but Jewish. When Herod called the chief priest and scribes and asked them where the King of the Jews would be born they replied Bethlehem of Judaea as spoken of by the prophet.

      Matthew 2
      4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
      5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
      6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, art not the least among the princes of Judah: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

      Acts 3:22

      “For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.”

      Acts 3:23

      “And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.”

      Now Jesus spoke of the Jews rejecting Him but accepting another that comes in his own name. Jesus Christ came in the Name of the Father. But another Jew would come in his own name and be accepted by Israel.

      Now having said all of this, there are Scripture verses that indicate that even though anti Christ will be a Jew he will be an apostate Jew that has rejected the God of his fathers.

      Daniel 11
      36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
      37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
      38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

      The term “God of his fathers” in Scripture always has reference to Israel and Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Anti Christ rejects the God of his fathers Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which he could only do if he were Jewish.

      The god of forces anti Christ honors is a god of war, Allah whom Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob never knew or ever heard of. Is there any doubt whatsoever that Islam is a religion of war. So what I am saying here is that the apostate Jewish anti Christ will be a Muslim out of the Assyrian empire, the little horn, king. When you get a chance google Jews who converted to Islam. This is not an unusual occurrence at all.

      I believe there is an indication of the apostate Jew being a Muslim also in the seven year covenant he confirms with Israel. The first question I ask myself is why would there be time limit to the covenant ? Islam is noted for making a covenant of peace with others in order to infiltrate them and destroy them. Islam sanctions lying to further the Islamic cause.

      All the pagan religions of the world are expecting an end time great figure to rule the world. Some Jewish rabbis have already made the statement that they would have no objection to accepting a Mahdi type figure as the Messiah. Why ? Because Arabs are connected to Israel through Abraham and his son Ishmael. Ishmael was even circumcised. Remember that there is a delusion to believe a lie that is part of this whole process to all those who have rejected the truth.

      The term Assyrian is associated with anti Christ, as is the King of Babylon, etc. In a similar fashion Jesus Christ was from Bethlehem but was also called a Nazarene, and God said out of Egypt have I called my son. No doubt all of this was a bit confusing to those studying the Scriptures back in Old Testament times, as are the terms associated with anti Christ in the end times.

      Daniel 9:26

      And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

      The people spoken of here are from the 10th Roman Legion that destroyed Jerusalem in A.D. 70. Middle Eastern Arabs, Syrians, Edomites, Moabites, and Egyptians made up the 10th Roman legion stationed in the Middle East. Titus was the head of this legion but Tiberius Julius Alexander was the general in charge. He was an Egyptian Jew born in Alexandria, Egypt. The case for an apostate Jew is quite evident in history and in Scripture. Judas was an apostate Jew that was called the “son of perdition.”

      Today of course we see Israel and Islam as the principle parties connected with the Temple mount. Some how Islam will accept a covenant with Israel for seven years and allow the Third Temple to be built and animal sacrifices to be made. It would take a very great figure in Islam to bring that about, one acceptable to Islam, and Israel to confirm such a covenant. The pieces of the puzzle of Scripture seem to come together when an apostate Jew that has converted to Islam comes forth with a waring fierce countenance to bring it all together. One that comes in his own name, and has rejected the God of his fathers.

      • Skywatcher

        Brother David, that was an EXCELLENT post! Several of my pastors many years ago, said the same thing! You’ve done a lot of research and it’s certainly well warranted, given the time and spiritual climate in which we find ourselves.

        You put a question out there, “I believe there is an indication of the apostate Jew being a Muslim also in the seven year covenant he confirms with Israel. The first question I ask myself is why would there be time limit to the covenant?”

        The time limit is there because God deemed the Great Trib. would last only that long; that’s plenty long when you’re the one living in it! It’s at the end of this covenant that Christ and His royal armies come (Second Coming) to destroy the armies of the world and the antichrist, and to set up His Millennial Reign.

        You said, “Some how Islam will accept a covenant with Israel for seven years and allow the Third Temple to be built and animal sacrifices to be made.”

        Not that it really matters, because we won’t be here to confirm one way or the other, but I believe it is the other way around. Seeing that Islam is well on the way to conquering the world, I see Israel accepting the terms of the covenant, just so she can continue to exist! She will have the whole world against her at that time, and her leadership will realize that these enemies mean business, and they had better comply or be totally exterminated. Without Christ, the “hope of glory” in my life, I know that’s what I would do if I were backed up into such a serious corner as that.

        I have a question for you, my dear brother: Can you give me a Scripture reference that says there will be animal sacrifices in the new temple?

        All these years, the Jews have been separated from their sacrificial system, and I know they are eager to resume it, and are BELIEVING it is going to be as it once was. This opens a serious theological question: “What has become of all the Jews who have died without the sacrificial blood offerings to cleanse them of their sins?”
        Anyway, I believe they are being deceived; it won’t be the sacrifices of oxen, sheep or bulls, as they are preparing for!

        I believe we assume that it will be animal sacrifices but again, with all that’s going on, I see these sacrifices as being HUMAN sacrifices. This wouldn’t be the first time the nation of Israel has gotten caught up in that, i.e. sacrificing their children to Molech. This came with very serious and severe consequences, as seen in Lev. 20: 2-5. King Solomon appears to be the first Jewish King to build a high place for Molech, where Israeli children would be sacrificed, I Kings 11:7; 2 Kings 23; Jer. 7: 29-31; 32: 35; Amos 5: 26; Acts 7: 43. There were many gods that the Israelites offered their children to: Milcom, Ashtoreth, Chemosh, and any of the other 360 gods the Ishmaelites (Muslims) had.

        I believe this, based upon the video footage that I saw on Walid Shoebat’s site, when I dropped in once a few months ago. There was video footage of human slaughterhouses, showing human bodies hanging from meat hooks. These bodies were gutted and decapitated, just as a cow or pig would be. The commentator said that these were Christians, “the supreme sacrifices to Allah”!

        For years, people have believed the “abomination of desolation” would be a pig being offered upon the altar in the new temple. I STRONGLY disagree. It will be the sacrifice of humans…made in God’s image and likeness! There can be no greater abomination than that. These will be the people who refused the Mark of the Beast, the Tribulation Saints! All arrows are pointing in that direction. Maybe I’m wrong; it wouldn’t be the first time.

        Blessings!

        • David Kaus

          Hello Skywatcher

          Yes Scripture is very clear about the time limit of Jacob’s trouble. But my question related to the thinking behind that time limit determined by the human agents when making the covenant.

          Daniel 9 gives reference to “sacrifice and oblation” in the Temple ceasing at the mid point of the 7 year time frame. All the vessels that were used in former Temple sacrifices have been made again ready for use in the Third Temple, as well as the vestments. Levitical priest are now being trained to sacrifice animals according to Levitical Law. These animal sacrifices are mentioned in Daniel 9, and 11.

          Daniel 9:27

          “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”

          And

          Daniel 11:31

          “And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.”

          After Jesus Christ death and Blood Atonement/Resurrection there is no other acceptable sacrifice for sins any where. What the Jews will be doing in animal sacrifice for sin in the Third Temple is once again totally denying Jesus Christ as the Messiah, and His Blood Atonement. God had nothing to do with those sacrifices for sins after the Blood Atonement of Jesus Christ as stated in Scripture. Once the Blood Atonement of Jesus Christ is denied there remains no more sacrifice for sins.

          As Jesus Christ told the Jews, if ye believe not that I am He ye shall die in your sins.

          John 8:24

          “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”

          1 Corinthinas1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
          18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

          The apostate Jews did do the sacrifices you mentioned in “high places,” but the Levites never did that in the Temple.

          The abomination of desolation:

          Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

          Revelation 13:15 describes the making of an image which all are forced to worship, turning the temple of God into a place of idol worship of the Antichrist which is an “abomination,” which makes desolate. The desolation might refer to the Levitical priest no longer being able to perform those animal sacrifices nor have access to the Temple again once anti Christ turns on the Jews. After that his agents, and the false prophet will be the ones who control and function in the Temple.

          V15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

          Matthew 24:15

          “When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)”

          Putting the pieces together it looks like the image of the beast will be put in the Holy Place for all to worship or be killed, by anti Christ agents when the anti Christ is not there. The Levitical priest will either flee, or be killed when this happens. The idol image will be given power to speak. This might be some type of holographic image of anti Christ, or even a human like robotic life like image. The fact that “power” was given unto it to speak implies some type of supernatural effect is given to it to make it life like.

          There is no mention of any human sacrifices being made in the Third Temple. Such things are done in satanic circles today but are not connected to Third Temple sacrifices.

          I highly recommend The Temple Institute web site for a great insight into what will be going on in Israel’s Third Temple with animal sacrifices and the Levitical priest.

          https://www.templeinstitute.org/

          • Skywatcher

            Hey, Bro! I have no question as to how the people have determined the seven year time frame for the covenant, as God puts it into their hearts. He governs the affairs of men.

            I am VERY familiar with the Temple Institute and their achievements, in preparation for the animal sacrifices to resume. My point is, Dan. 9 does NOT say WHAT KIND OF SACRIFICES were going to be performed in the new temple. It would appear to me, that this is part of the hidden “words” that were to be sealed up in his book, and revealed in the end times, Dan. 12: 4.

            I don’t want to get into what could be perceived as a heated discussion, just so you know; we are both speculating, with what limited enlightenment that God has allowed us to have. I believe He doesn’t expect us to know any of this either, because we will be removed.

            You said, “What the Jews will be doing in animal sacrifice for sin in the Third Temple is once again totally denying Jesus Christ as the Messiah, and His Blood Atonement.”

            As I said before, we DO NOT know that these are to be animal sacrifices to begin with. You basically confirm my hypothesis of human sacrifices with this statement: “There is no mention of any human sacrifices being made in the Third Temple. Such things are done in satanic circles today but are not connected to Third Temple sacrifices.”

            The Freemasons, Skull and Bones, Illuminati, The Luficerians, etc. are of the occult, and they ARE behind the building of the Third Temple! They have had the plans and been financially backing these developments for hundreds of years! Therefore, my speculation would seem more plausible. I know some of these people personally, and you’d be amazed at how many of them are apostate Jews, and they are REALLY excited about this temple!

            I agree with you fully on your commentary on the Beast’s image and how it could be. But if you pause to think a little longer on what I’m sharing here, you too, may see how my supposition is quite possible. As for the Temple Institute preparing for animal sacrifices…that may NOT be at all what God sees in His prophetic calendar, and somebody is going to be quite surprised when that day arrives.

            The really big question today and for the past century, has been, What is the “the abomination that maketh desolate”? As I said before, it would appear to me, that the very worst abomination is to take that which is made by God in His image and likeness and to offer it to Satan… He mentions “abomination” in the passages I cited earlier.

            Just a thought! Keep up the great work, Bro!

      • Skywatcher

        David, I forgot to say, that we mustn’t forget, that for the past number of years up to the present, the world leaders have been sacrificing “care” to the statue of Molech, in the Bohemian Grove in S. California! Are these real live human sacrifices being made? Are they a precursor of things to come?

        • David Kaus

          Skywatcher we are not connecting on “why human agents” determined a seven years period for a covenant. God certainly had foreseen this time frame and gave it to Daniel to prophecy about. But the human agents didn’t just flip a coin to decide on that issue. What I am curious about is their specific thinking behind that time frame. For instance, did they tie it in with Jubilee cycles, etc. That time frame isn’t just going to picked out of a hat.

          Daniel was a prophet to Israel. When he mentions temple sacrifices there is no doubt as to what he is prophesying about whatsoever. What was sealed up were the events of history that would unfold in time to reveal this prophecy in detail.

          My statement of no human sacrifices ever being considered for the Third Temple in Scripture, and my above statement about Daniel’s prophecy concerning sacrifices in the Third Temple only verify the historical fact that only animal sacrifices could ever be considered. It would be illogical, and unscriptural to think otherwise. Israel is going back to having the Temple and all of its functions, and animal sacrifices central to Levitical Law. Levitical law is being studied very intently by the orthodox.

          Since an image of the beast is made to stand in the Holy place as an idol that people must worship it certainly points to it being an abomination in God’s eyes Scripturally. It makes desolate the function of the Levitical priesthood, and purpose of the Temple in Levitical law. So does anti Christ sitting in the Temple showing himself as God.

          For around a year now I’ve held off saying very much about anti Christ and a connection to Islam. I had a lot of pieces of information but every things was not quite fitting together enough to speak with some Scriptural authority on the matter. It’s like a puzzle never really being complete till the last piece is in place. When I felt that had happened I posted in brief about it on this web site. The last thing I want to do is to post or say something that I can not find any Scriptural evidence to back up or justify. We must stand on some Scriptural grounds when an exposition is given of Scripture/prophecy. When I felt I had those grounds to stand on and certain parts of Scripture that were unclear to me before were now made clear in my mind I had a conviction that led me to post the information I had knowing that once I did I could give Scriptural, sound evidence for what I had stated. I’ve tried to eliminate any speculation whatsoever and give a Scriptural basis for my statements.

          Don’t worry what others may consider this discussion to be. If I couldn’t have something to stand on when questioned about my post then it shouldn’t have been posted in the first place.

          God bless, David

          • Kiwiwatcher

            Jumping in here brother David as I may have missed something. What Scriptures led you to believe that the antichrist would be a muslim?

          • Skywatcher

            Hello there, Brother David!

            Sorry for taking so long to get back to you! There are many things that Christians can speculate about in regards to the last days’ prophecies, i.e. who will the AC be? I couldn’t care less, and I’m sure you’re sentiments are the same…we won’t be here to confirm!

            Therefore, may I lovingly and graciously say that we have reached an impasse on this “minor” subject at hand. Our great grandparents probably understood Nahum 2: 3, 4 to mean literal Roman style “chariots”, never ever having heard of much less seen a car. Today, we can see cars fulfilling that passage. The same could be said for the sacrifices in the 3rd Temple. They and others, could ASSUME it is to be animal sacrifices “as usual” to be offered in this temple. Again, it may not turn out as they would’ve anticipated.

            The only Scripture I have to back my supposition with is Rev. 20: 4, and that’s where current events appear to be leading us. N. America is the last standing bastion against Islam, and she too, is falling rather quickly. I could be wrong, and truthfully, I really do hope I am.

            In the mean time…, this is not a doctrinal issue, and we don’t HAVE to agree! I greatly appreciate your valuable insights and input! Keep up the great work! God bless you today with a cup that is flowing over with peace, joy, love, and an insatiable thirst for God’s Word!

            Ye old Skywatcher

          • David Kaus

            Ye old Skywatcher you.

            Certainly there are things in Bible prophecy and terminology that only the time of the end can fully reveal. Things are moving very fast now, and events are assuming larger and larger proportions. What we see today could be altered dramatically over night.

            We have the advantage of 20/20 hind sight over biblical events of the past. In five years or so radical changes in the geopolitical structure of this world could reveal how much we were limited with the events even of today in our understanding of prophecy. With that in mind it is still so amazing to see how God constructed prophecy to be useful to every generation with partial fulfillment.

            God bless brother.

          • David Kaus

            Hello Kiwiwatcher

            In particular

            Daniel 11

            36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

            37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

            38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

          • Kiwiwatcher

            Thanks brother David for your reply.

            36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

            37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

            Will not regard the God of Abraham (Jacob/Issac), and does not refer to Ishmael as some scholars such as Joel Richardson believe. In Scriptures this line of thought is unprecedented. ‘God of his father(s)’ has ALWAYS referred to Jews, and IF referring to Ishmael would have at least been singular as ‘God of his father.’
            “Nor the desire of women” – in context of referring to the ‘God of his fathers’, and no regard for any (pagan) god – means the childbirth of Jesus the Christ, Son of Man….for he shall magnify himself above ‘them’ all.
            To believe that the antichrist did not enjoy the company of women, or nor cared about women in general is not in context with that particular verse.

            38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with GOLD, AND SILVER, AND WITH PRECIOUS STONES, and pleasant things.

            The antichrist will honor the god of war, destruction….satan himself, who was never worshipped by the Hebrews/Jews. And the antichrist will honor satan with gold, silver and precious stones from other nations, perhaps as tributes.
            “…and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.” Revelation 13:2
            “Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,” 2 Thessalonians 2:9

            “And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her (Babylon); for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
            12 The merchandise of GOLD AND SILVER AND PRECIOUS STONES, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,” Revelation 18:11-12

            Is it possible to elaborate on the muslim theme please as I must be missing something.

            Bless you

          • Kiwiwatcher

            Daniel 11:38 “But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces:” – some scholars have speculated that “forces” could be a reference to the US, as the country with the largest military expenditure, supplies Israel with $3 billion dollars of armaments each year, and has killed more people worldwide, directly and indirectly, via warfare over the last 25 years.

      • David Kaus

        Some interesting things out of the Hadith concerning the end time Mahdi of Islam, Israel, and a seven year time frame.

        From the hadiths,

        Narrated Abu Sa’id al-Khudri: The “seven” year rule of the Mahdi.

        The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: The Mahdi will be of my stock, and will have a broad forehead a prominent nose. He will fill the earth will equity and justice as it was filled with oppression and tyranny, and he will rule for seven years. (Sunan Abu Dawud 36.4272)

        A connection to Israel:

        He will also supposedly look like “Bani Israel” (children of Israel):
        Then, Hudhayfah asked: ‘O Messenger of Allah, how shall we know him?’ He replied: “He is a man from my children, he looks like the men from the children of Israel, (quoted by Shaykh Abdullah ben Sadek, late Grand Muhaddith of Morocco, AL MAHDI, JESUS and DAJJAL [Moshaikh — the ANTI-CHRIST], tr. Shaykh Ahmad Darwish)

        This could mean he will look like a Jew, or as some Muslims speculate, like one of the “lost tribes of Israel.” For example, some claim that the Pathans (or Pashtuns) of Afghanistan and Pakistan were descended from the lost tribes of Israel (actually only from King Saul, from the tribe of Benjamin), who later converted to Islam. They identify themselves as Bani Israel, but not Jews. (The relationship between Jews and Muslims have been extremely tumultous since the days of Muhammad, something we shall see also in other hadiths regarding the End Times).

  • Char

    David K., thanks for the info on the vaccines, but I don’t recall ever being forced to take a vaccine, but of course when my children were small they had to get vaccinated in order to go to school if that’s what you mean. I get a flu shot every year, but it’s by my own choosing, but I will read up on this. God Bless!

    • Skywatcher

      Char, I have literally SCORES of news stories about the dangers and pseudo-science behind vaccines. Everybody should be avoiding them like the plague they are! Check out these links:

      http://labs.naturalnews.com/Video-Interview-Mercury-Toxicity-Chris-Shade.html
      http://www.naturalnews.com/046630_CDC_whistleblower_public_confession_Dr_William_Thompson.html
      http://www.policestateusa.com/2015/jamiesmith/
      http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/social-services-to-family-get-flu-shots-or-were-taking-your-baby_01182015
      http://www.medicalkidnap.com/
      http://www.naturalnews.com/048348_medical_kidnappings_police_state_child_abuse.html

      I’ve had so many customers come into my shop, complaining of soreness, etc. because they had just gotten their flu shot. Later, they told me they had the flu worse than ever before! Why is that? Because with each shot of adjuvant, one’s immune system is further and harder attacked! The adjuvant (oily substance in the poisoned poke), tricks the autoimmune system to attack itself! Now! That’s got to be really good and healthy for ya, right?!

      Here’s an excerpt from one of many articles I kept:

      “If you keep reading the FLULAVAL vaccine insert, you’ll eventually get to a section called “Postmarketing Experience.”

      This subhead means here are all the side effects reported by actual users after being vaccinated. In other words, these are the results of turning the human population into vaccine guinea pigs.

      Just some of the adverse effects experienced after flu shot vaccines include:

      • Eye pain and chest pain
      • Arthritis
      • Dizziness, tremors and losing consciousness (syncope)
      • Convulsions and seizures
      • Gullain-Barre Syndrome
      • Cranial nerve paralysis or limb paralysis
      • Swelling of the brain
      • Partial facial paralysis
      … and much more.”

      I think I’d prefer the flu! All these viruses, IE., Ebola, and Nikka are man-made and propagated by vaccines! God’s Word tells me my body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit, and that I’m to look after it. He had designed our bodies so that they can look after us… I Cor. 3: 16, 17; 6: 19: 20.

      Have fun doing your homework! 🙂 If anybody else wants to see more on the dangers of vaccines, please email me at: scotianprince@eastlink.ca . I’ll gladly share the info for FREE! People need to know what they’re doing before they do it!

    • DC

      Ditto that, Char. With a new grandbaby now, I do worry about what we now know.
      If anyone’s interested, there’s a great Christian health blog where you can search topics.

      godshealthsystem.com/blog

    • David Kaus

      Char I believe vaccines are mandatory in California now. Many schools throughout the nation will not allow unvaccinated children into school. The agenda of the new world order is to have all under its control. Vaccines are a big part of that program. Their is good evidence that DNA alteration is happening through vaccines, and GMO foods, etc.

      • DC

        What all this is saying to me is that things are falling into place. The AC has only 7 years to try–and fail–to steal the Kingdom, so a lot of things have to be in stages nearing completion when he arrives on the scene, whether it be vaccines, spy technology, the “mark” technology, cashless society, one world religion, one world gov’t etc. That’s why it really irks me that Christians who already have the other teams’ playbook (told what was coming in Daniel and Revelation) aren’t witnessing with what they SHOULD know to others who aren’t saved, or they’re too attached to this world that’s not our Home, so they ignore it/don’t want to think about it. Start with the reemergence of Israel being the 1st sign and then all the other things just mentioned in their various stages, plus wars & rumors of wars, earthquakes in DIVERS place, pestilences and diseases, etc. Birth pangs/pains is a very good metaphor. If you are pregnant for 9-10 months, you know what’s coming and when you start contractions and they get stronger and stronger and you KNOW it’s coming. You don’t ignore it. You don’t call it climate change or say there’s always been human pain. Etc. you get my drift.
        Oh, I feel so much better now. 😉

  • Skywatcher

    Check this out: http://www.infowars.com/vaccinated-children-have-up-to-500-more-disease-than-unvaccinated-children/
    Why? Their little autoimmune systems are being attacked by the poisons in the poisoned pokes!

    When I was little, we HAD to have our booster shot and vaccination before we could go to school. They were later followed up with shots to prevent mumps, measles, chicken pox, etc. Looking back, and listening to customers, I’ve observed that those who DID NOT have those shots NEVER got the diseases that we were supposed to be vaccinated against and STILL GOT! IF that’s not the handwriting on the wall, I don’t know what is!

    Here’s an excerpt from, 600 strains of an aerosolized thought control vaccine already tested on humans; deployed via air, food and water
    Tuesday, January 20, 2015
    by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger

    Using aerosolized stealth vaccines as tools of behavioral control and mind alteration
    This YouTube video,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gfTqfVeLHw described as a “leaked Pentagon video,” features a Bill Gates-sounding scientist explaining in cold, calculating language how engineered vaccines can “eliminate behavior” that’s considered undesirable by the government.

    Starting at the 3:00 mark, you can hear this scientist explaining how a vaccine can “turn a fanatic into a normal person.” A normal person, of course, means a person who is obedient to government authority.

    Here’s a transcript of the presentation:

    Scientist: And that would have the effect which is to essentially turn a fanatic into a normal person…

    Audience: How would you suggest that this is going to be dispersed? Via aerosol?

    Scientist: The present plan and the tests that we’ve done so far have used respiratory viruses such as flu or rhinoviruses, and we believe that’s a satisfactory way to get the exposure of the largest part of the population… and we’re quite confident this would be a very successful approach.

    Audience: What’s the name of this proposal?

    Scientist: The name is FUNVAX, the vaccine for religious fundamentalism. The proposal has just been submitted, and I think the data that I have shown you today would support the development of this project and we think it has great promise.

    Watch the video here, which carries the US Dept. of Defense identifier of “DOD ID 149AZ2.”


    Designed to infect brain cells and alter beliefs and behavior
    This document at WantToKnow.info appears to explain the design and intent of the virus in a summary entitled, “Quarterly FunVax Review.”

    The document says:

    The objective of this phase of project ID 149AZ2 is to prepare a viral vector that will inhibit / decrease the expression of VMAT2 within a human population.

    …the design allows the virus to infect the respiratory track where cytolytic infection occurs and then subsequent diffusion across the blood barrier to infect brain cells.

    The document goes on to say that there will be “coordination between the research, clinical and manufacturing groups” taking place in 2007. This clearly spells out intent to take this project from the research phase to manufacturing and deployment.

    You may wonder, therefore, against whom these weaponized mind control vaccines might be deployed, right? The answer is YOU.
    Dispersal via air, water supply, highway vehicles and insects
    According to the document linked above, the dispersal of the brain-modifying viral vaccine was tested in six different ways:

    Six methods of … virus dispersal were tested – high altitude release, water supply release, insect transmission, diffusion by a ground level object such as a car, diffusion from a stationary object such as a bottle, and infection of food supply such as cattle or produce.

    As you take in the paragraph you just read, consider that now, nearly eight years later, we are witnessing the release of genetically engineered mosquitoes combined with outbreaks of bizarre neurological conditions across U.S. schoolchildren and mysterious health conditions all over the world.

    The “high-altitude release” of this mind-altering viral vaccine has no doubt already been achieved through the aerosolized spraying of cities in crisscross patterns of aerosolized dispersal at altitude, often labeled as “chemtrails.”
    Suicide genes, field testing and future experiments
    The same document cited above goes on to summarize a research group meeting that apparently took place on March 21st, 2007, in which the following topics were discussed:

    • Proposal for a suicide gene
    • Dispersal methods
    • Testing efficiency in the field
    • Inhibitors that may target a specific population
    • Monkey knockdown progress
    • Future experiments

    Other directives in the document say things like:

    “All 600 strains of VSV should be retested on human subjects…”

    “Future experiments of VSV287 should allow the subject to breath in the virus rather than being injected with it.”

    “The use of FunVax could see an immediate effect within the target zones… the results of mass inoculation should be proportionate to the rate of infection. Behavioral indicators … decrease in armed resistance… increase in communications that express discontent with religion or God.”
    Fully intended to be deployed against civilian populations
    It’s clear from the document that this mind-altering, brain-infecting vaccine was intended from the start to be deployed against civilian populations. In fact, the document discusses plans for covertly taking biological samples from dead civilians in order to determine the effectiveness of the aerosolized dispersal effort:

    … a blood sample of militant casualties or deceased civilian would provide the most accurate estimate of the rate of vaccination… biological samples from living subjects may be covertly taken… the tests that should be repeated using the VSV287 are high atmospheric tests…

    An airborne virus would be the preferred route of infection. A strain named VSV287 has been designed to spread via air… Only human trials can determine VSV287’s effect on religiosity and spirituality… high atmospheric dispersal or dispersal by a ground level moving object appears to be the most practical.
    The government has a history of using aircraft to disperse vaccines
    The air-dropping of vaccines onto large populations isn’t new, by the way. As I reported here on Natural News in 2012, the Texas government air-dropped 1.8 million rabies vaccines onto wild animal populations as part of a government-run scheme to vaccinate wildlife.

    Yes, even wild coyotes and rabbits are not safe from the vaccine zealots. No animal on the planet is considered “safe” by health authorities unless it is first infected with a virus or two.

    The Dept. of Defense plan is far more elaborate, however, using aerosolized dispersal with high-altitude aircraft or even dumping viral vaccines into the water supplies of large cities. Such an action would be considered an act of domestic terrorism if you or I did it, of course, but when the government proposes it, suddenly it’s okay.
    Has a mind-altering vaccine already been released over U.S. cities?
    All this brings up the obvious question: Has this mind-altering vaccine already been deployed over U.S. cities? It’s a legitimate question because the high-altitude deployment of this vaccine against civilian populations was clearly the intent of the program.

    A mass “dumbing down” vaccine lobotomy would sure explain a lot of what’s going on in America these days, such as how certain people still haven’t figured out that every statement uttered by President Obama is a calculated lie. (I can’t wait to watch the upcoming theatrical comedy show called the “State of the Union Address.”)

    I’ve also been wondering why we’re seeing a wholesale abandonment of morality and ethics across the western world these days, and it’s not an outlandish area of inquiry to wonder if entire cities of people have been intentionally exposed to a virus that infects their brains just as described by the scientist in the video above.

    I know, it sounds like the actions of a Batman movie villain, but then again we already know the vaccine industry is largely staffed by mad scientists with villainous intent. Remember, this is the same group of disreputable scientists who knowingly committed scientific fraud by covering up the confession of a CDC scientist who admitted the agency manipulated data to eliminate any apparent link between vaccines and autism. It’s no stretch at all to realize these same people would gladly deploy vaccines to dumb people down if that made them more compliant and docile.

    The greatest enemy of the vaccine industry is, of course, anyone who can still think for themselves.

    We also know that vaccines are being deployed right now to covertly sterilize women using sterilization chemicals secretly mixed into the vaccines themselves.

    We also know there’s still toxic mercury in flu shots, even though the establishment ridiculously claims flu shots are 100% safe to give to pregnant women, infants, toddlers, senior citizens and everyone else. This is an industry that actually seems to enjoy the power trip of causing widespread health harm, vaccine-induced seizures, comas, autism and even death. Deploying vaccines at high altitude to invisibly fall onto large cities where they are inhaled by millions of people is an almost erotic fantasy come true for these anti-human vaccine zealots who despise life and openly advocate human depopulation.”

    • DC

      I read your remarks but didn’t watch the video yet. I agree with you. I also heard Bill Gates had something to do with “vaccines” that caused ebola. What I’m still unclear is if they are really using fetal tissue in vaccines, such as the shingles one, and in products we consume. Snopes said there were kidney cells used but it was from the 1970s. We used to say, “Trust but verify.” Now I think we should NOT trust and verify.

      • Skywatcher

        Hello, DC! Pepsi & Nestle & Kraft, are three companies I know of that use fetal tissue as “flavor enhancers”. If that weren’t bad enough, certain dye colors used are known to cause cancer and they still use them!

        The Oil of Olay and Johnson & Johnson use it for the “elasticity” value in their facial products. To think…we’ve been drinking dead babies and wearing them on our faces all these many years! Hospitals are using them to heat their buildings with. We are in one sick, SICK society! Is it any wonder Jesus has to come back to make things new again?!

        • DC

          Yes, I knew of those 3 and have looked at the whole list, but then I googled and a snopes article said it was a story from years ago and like one specimen. So I’m just not sure.
          I don’t drink soda (“pop” in this part of the country) and avoid buying the other two. (I also boycott other products for political/social activism reasons.) I use other moisturizers.
          I read the story about the hospitals. Yes, it is a very sick, very fallen world.

      • Skywatcher

        DC, I forgot…Bill Gates used his vaccines in the 80’s to spread the HIV virus! That’s why so many children are orphans in those African countries! It was all about population control (eugenics) and black market trade on organs way back then!

        • DC

          not surprised. Maybe he’s the one who paid for the Georgia Guidestones, which want to lower the world population to half a billion. Skywatchtv just interviewed a man who came out with a documentary on who the mystery man was, but you have to buy the DVD to find out. I watched the whole show and was disappointed not to know! I think it was the Gilberts doing the interview but forget the filmmaker…

          • Skywatcher

            DC, PT. 2

            The new sustainable development goals, and the broader sustainability agenda, go much further, addressing the root causes of poverty and the universal need for development that works for all people. (TN: Don’t suppose it has anything to do with the opulent palaces and huge treasuries of the elite NOT being shared with the poor?! Over taxation? No! That’s just a figment of my imagination! Go back to sleep!)

            The preamble of the 29-page text, “Transforming Our World: The 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development,” states, “We are resolved to free the human race from the tyranny of poverty and want and to heal and secure our planet.” It continues, “We are determined to take the bold and transformative steps which are urgently needed to shift the world onto a sustainable and resilient path. As we embark on this collective journey, we pledge that no one will be left behind.” (TN: of course not! ALL will have to take the Mark of the Beast!)
            Rio+20 and the intergovernmental process
            At the Rio+20 Conference of 2012, Member States agreed to launch a process to develop a set of sustainable development goals, which will build upon the Millennium Development Goals. The Millennium Development Goals have proven that goal-setting can lift millions out of poverty, improve well-being and provide vast new opportunities for better lives. (TN: Yep! Had their rebel groups i.e. ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hezbolla, IS, etc. kill them!) It was agreed that the new goals would be global in nature and universally applicable to all countries (TN: the Islamatization of the world) while taking into account different national realities, capacities and levels of development and respecting national policies and priorities.
            The negotiations were co-facilitated by the UN Permanent Representative of Ireland, Ambassador David Donohue, and the UN Permanent Representative of Kenya, Ambassador Macharia Kamau, over two years. The inclusive and transparent consultations by Member States, with the strong engagement of civil society and other stakeholders, have served as a basis for the conclusion of the intergovernmental negotiations on the emerging universal and people-centred agenda.
            Core elements of the agreed outcome document
            The outcome document highlights poverty eradication as the overarching goal of the new development agenda and has at its core the integration of the economic, social and environmental dimensions of sustainable development. The emerging development agenda is unique in that it calls for action by all countries, poor, rich and middle-income. Member States pledge that as they embark on this collective journey, no one will be left behind. The ‘five Ps’—people, planet, prosperity, peace, and partnership—capture the broad scope of the agenda. (TN: Where have we heard that before? It’s the biblical reference to the message of the Antichrist!)
            The 17 sustainable goals and 169 targets aim at tackling key systemic barriers to sustainable development such as inequality, unsustainable consumption (TN: the governmental propaganda of overpopulation kicks in, thereby augmenting the alleged need for eugenics: euthanasia, abortion programs and death panels to kick in) and production patterns, inadequate infrastructure and lack of decent jobs. The environmental dimension of sustainable development is covered in the goals on oceans and marine resources and on ecosystems and biodiversity, bringing core issues into the goal and target framework.
            The means of implementation outlined in the outcome document match its ambitious goals and focus on finance, technology and capacity development. In addition to a stand-alone goal on the means of implementation for the new agenda, specific means are tailored to each of the sustainable development goals.
            Member States stressed that the desired transformations will require a departure from “business as usual” and that intensified international cooperation on many fronts will be required. (TN: the witch hunt begins! All undesirables will be culled.) The agenda calls for a revitalized, global partnership for sustainable development, including for multi-stakeholder partnerships. The agenda also calls for increased capacity-building and better data and statistics to measure sustainable development.
            An effective follow-up and review architecture – a core element of the outcome document – will be critical to support the implementation of the new agenda. (TN: a laughing session around the coffee pot as they review how many souls they sent into eternity!) The High Level Political Forum on sustainable development, set up after the Rio+20 Conference, will serve as the apex forum for follow up and review and will thus play a central role. The General Assembly, the Economic and Social Council and specialized agencies will also be engaged in reviewing progress in specific areas. (TN: Every “base” will be covered in the culling process! ALL desirables will be removed and reported).
            Based on the outcome document, the agenda will include a Technology Facilitation Mechanism to support the new goals, based on multi-stakeholder collaboration between Member States, civil society, business, the scientific community, and the UN system of agencies. The Mechanism, which was agreed at the Addis Conference in July, will have an inter-agency task team, a forum on science, technology and innovation, and an on-line platform for collaboration.
            The successful outcome of the Addis Conference gave important positive momentum to the last stretch of negotiations on the post-2015 development agenda. It is expected that the consensus reached on the outcome document will provide momentum for the negotiations on a new binding climate change treaty to culminate at the Climate Change Conference in Paris from 30 November to 11 December 2015.

            That’s nothing! You should see the Planetary Parliament site online!

      • Skywatcher

        DC, a dear Christian sister told me several years ago, that we can no longer trust Snopes because for some reason, they have become very non-credible in recent years. She used to use them to check out things all the time; not anymore. It’s like Wikipedia, we cannot trust much that they report on some topics now either, as they’ve been taken over by the NWO gang.

        It is very clear that they are using fetal tissue…under humungously long names! DO NOT take any shingles vaccines unless you want them! I have a friend who was plagued with them for a couple of years, and he was a very miserable and painful character! They are giving this to people in the vaccines also. What person in their right mind wouldn’t want to take something that might prevent such a horrible thing from happening? That’s the hook! Once you get them, there’s no turning back, as they can recur, and ONCE WAS PLENTY ENOUGH, as he told me!

        Bill Gates is not a man of integrity or even of humaneness! Don’t be fooled by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation either! That’s a philanthropic image they like to portray! Regardless of how rich they are, they solicit donations from the public and the money goes into THEIR coffers to kill off the children, etc. of the unsuspecting donors and others!

        I saved a YouTube Clip wherein Bill Gates and my former Prime Minister Stephen Harper were being interviewed about the “vaccine program”. I carefully listened while Bill was being interviewed and my ears shot up straight into the air when I heard him say, “I get excited to see children die”! I KID YOU NOT! I thought I misheard him, so I listened to it again! and AGAIN! I even stopped and paused to type out the transcript!

        See: http://www.infowars.com/bill-gates-calls-for-population-reduction/

        If that wasn’t bad enough, PM Harper then came on and gave quite an endorsement to the “vaccine program” because it would help to achieve one of the Sustainable Development Goals: the annihilation of poor people! That wasn’t described in detail in that video, of course, but when you go to the Government site to see what they are, it is VERY EVIL, and “must be completed “Before the end of 2016”!

        Here they are, and read between the lines with me. They sound good at face value, until you pause to hear what they’re actually purporting! I’ll have to do this in two parts! “TN” means my personal reading between the lines, and I didn’t do this in a through manner; I was in a hurry! Emphasis added by myself (Skywatcher)

        United Nations Sustainable Development Global Goals (SDG’s)

        End poverty everywhere. (TN: How? Exterminate the poor…and the Middle Class! ISIS)
        End hunger; achieve food security (TN: We won’t be in control of our food sources; no gardens allowed; no healthy organic foods, non-GMO, eat when allowed, etc.) and improved nutrition; promote sustainable agriculture.
        Ensure healthy lives and promote well-being for all at all ages. (TN: How can one do this with genetically modified foods filled with human genes, Round-up, other chemicals, Chemtrails, vaccines, etc.?)
        Ensure inclusive and quality education for all and promote lifelong learning. (TN: indoctrination classes)
        Achieve gender equality and empower all women and girls. (Tom note: how does one do this with over 100 genders?)
        Clean water and sanitation (TN: easy to do once the “riff raff” have been purged)
        Affordable and clean energy (TN: why haven’t they allowed this in the past 40 years?)
        Decent work and economic growth (TN: The only way to do this is to exterminate the poor/ middle class and to start over with their brainwashed zombies. Plenty of job vacancies after a holocaust)
        Industry, Innovation, and Infrastructure
        Reduced inequalities (TN: those in their way will HAVE TO GO!)
        Sustainable cities and communities (TN: forced labor camps and detention centers)
        Responsible consumption and production (TN: they control how much we eat and produce!)
        Climate action (TN: extermination of 6.5 billion will cut down on carbon emissions!)
        Life below water
        Life on land (TN: if you want to call it “Life”!)
        Peace, justice, and strong institutions (TN: no free will or choices; strong enforcement to do as commanded)
        Partnerships for the goals (TN: only those who will enlist; the rest will be purged when they refuse; mark of the beast system?)

        It basically boils down to: every area of our life is going to be monitored and controlled!
        How are they going to reach these goals?
        Consensus Reached on New Sustainable Development Agenda to be adopted by World Leaders in September, 2015.
        Ambitious new agenda would end poverty by 2030 and universally promote shared economic prosperity, social development and environmental protection (TN: Since when do the elitists want to share their wealth?! Eugenics!)
        The 193 Member States of the United Nations reached agreement today on the outcome document that will constitute the new sustainable development agenda that will be adopted this September by world leaders at the Sustainable Development Summit in New York.
        Concluding a negotiating process that has spanned more than two years and has featured the unprecedented participation of civil society, countries agreed to an ambitious agenda that features 17 new sustainable development goals that aim to end poverty, promote prosperity and people’s well-being while protecting the environment by 2030.
        UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon welcomed the agreement, saying it “encompasses a universal, transformative and integrated agenda that heralds an historic turning point for our world.” (TN: the Rapture and the Second Coming will do the same!)
        “This is the People’s Agenda (TN: who are the “People”? Not you or I!), a plan of action for ending poverty in all its dimensions, irreversibly, everywhere, and leaving no one behind. It seeks to ensure peace and prosperity, and forge partnerships with people and planet at the core. The integrated, interlinked and indivisible 17 Sustainable Development Goals are the people’s goals and demonstrate the scale, universality and ambition of this new Agenda.”
        Mr. Ban said the September Summit, where the new agenda will be adopted, “will chart a new era of Sustainable Development in which poverty will be eradicated, prosperity shared and the core drivers of climate change tackled.”
        He added that the UN System stands ready to support the implementation of the new agenda, which builds on the successful outcome of the Third International Conference on Financing for Development in Addis Ababa, and which, he said, will also contribute to achieve a meaningful agreement in the COP21 in Paris in December. (TN: what is that? Nothing on the news about it!)
        More than 150 world leaders are expected to attend the Sustainable Development Summit at the UN headquarters in New York between 25 to 27 September to formally adopt the outcome document of the new sustainable agenda.
        The new sustainable development agenda builds on the success of the Millennium Development Goals, which helped more than 700 million people escape poverty. (TN: sure did! Killed them with various cancers and vaccines!) The eight Millennium Development Goals, adopted in 2000, aimed at an array of issues that included slashing poverty, hunger, disease, gender inequality, and access to water and sanitation by 2015.

        See Pt. 2!

        • Heather

          Obama’s war on extremism. We’re all terrorist!
          Below is a list of 72 types of Americans that are considered to be “extremists” and “potential terrorists” in official U.S.
          government documents.  As you can see, this list covers most of the country…

          1. Those that talk about “individual liberties”
          2. Those that advocate for states’ rights
          3. Those that want “to make the world a better place”
          4. “The colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule”
          5. Those that are interested in “defeating the Communists”
          6. Those that believe “that the interests of one’s own nation are separate from the interests of other nations or the common
          interest of all nations”
          7. Anyone that holds a “political ideology that considers the state to be unnecessary, harmful,or undesirable”
          8. Anyone that possesses an “intolerance toward other religions”
          9. Those that “take action to fight against the exploitation of the environment and/or animals”
          10. “Anti-Gay”
          11. “Anti-Immigrant”
          12. “Anti-Muslim”
          13. “The Patriot Movement”
          14. “Opposition to equal rights for gays and lesbians”
          15. Members of the Family Research Council
          16. Members of the American Family Association
          17. Those that believe that Mexico, Canada and the United States “are secretly planning to merge into a European Union-
          like entity that will be known as the ‘North American Union’”
          18. Members of the American Border Patrol/American Patrol
          19. Members of the Federation for American Immigration Reform
          20. Members of the Tennessee Freedom Coalition
          21. Members of the Christian Action Network
          22. Anyone that is “opposed to the New World Order”
          23. Anyone that is engaged in “conspiracy theorizing”
          24. Anyone that is opposed to Agenda 21
          25. Anyone that is concerned about FEMA camps
          26. Anyone that “fears impending gun control or weapons confiscations”
          27. The militia movement
          28. The sovereign citizen movement29. Those that “don’t think they should have to pay taxes”
          30. Anyone that “complains about bias”
          31. Anyone that “believes in government conspiracies to the point of paranoia”
          32. Anyone that “is frustrated with mainstream ideologies”
          33. Anyone that “visits extremist websites/blogs” 
          34. Anyone that “establishes website/blog to display extremist views”
          35. Anyone that “attends rallies for extremist causes”
          36. Anyone that “exhibits extreme religious intolerance”
          37. Anyone that “is personally connected with a grievance”
          38. Anyone that “suddenly acquires weapons”
          39. Anyone that “organizes protests inspired by extremist ideology”
          40. “Militia or unorganized militia”
          41. “General right-wing extremist”
          42. Citizens that have “bumper stickers” that are patriotic or anti-U.N.
          43. Those that refer to an “Army of God”
          44. Those that are “fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation)”
          45. Those that are “anti-global”
          46. Those that are “suspicious of centralized federal authority”
          47. Those that are “reverent of individual liberty”
          48. Those that “believe in conspiracy theories”
          49. Those that have “a belief that one’s personal and/or national ‘way of life’ is under attack”
          50. Those that possess “a belief in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations
          and training or survivalism”
          51. Those that would “impose strict religious tenets or laws on society (fundamentalists)”
          52. Those that would “insert religion into the political sphere”
          53. Anyone that would “seek to politicize religion”
          54. Those that have “supported political movements for autonomy”
          55. Anyone that is “anti-abortion”
          56. Anyone that is “anti-Catholic”
          57. Anyone that is “anti-nuclear”
          58. “Rightwing extremists”
          59. “Returning veterans”
          60. Those concerned about “illegal immigration”
          61. Those that “believe in the right to bear arms”
          62. Anyone that is engaged in “ammunition stockpiling”
          63. Anyone that exhibits “fear of Communist regimes”
          64. “Anti-abortion activists”
          65. Those that are against illegal immigration
          66. Those that talk about “the New World Order” in a “derogatory” manner
          67. Those that have a negative view of the United Nations
          68. Those that are opposed “to the collection of federal income taxes”
          69. Those that supported former presidential candidates Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr
          70. Those that display the Gadsden Flag (“Don’t Tread On Me”)
          71. Those that believe in “end times” prophecies
          72. Evangelical Christians

          The groups of people in the list above are considered “problems” that need to be dealt with.  In some of the documents
          referenced above, members of the military are specifically warned not to have anything to do with such groups.

          We are moving into a very dangerous time in American history.  You can now be considered a “potential terrorist” just because of your religious or political beliefs.  Free speech is becoming a thing of the past, and we are rapidly becoming an Orwellian society that is the exact opposite of what our founding fathers intended.

          • DC

            Wow, Heather, where did you find that list? I’m on there MANY times–But they can only kill me once!

          • Skywatcher

            Hi there, Heather!

            I’ve been busy all day, and finally have a chance to sit down a spell. This list you posted is old news, at least four years old. It definitely doesn’t leave too many people behind, does it! Those of us who are starting to get a little long in the tooth are the primary targets; we’re in their way. We are NOT becoming an Orwellian Society, as you stated, according to some experts, we are well past that. Orwell would be elated to see that we have surpassed his sinister societal structure!

            For too long, we’ve known what our rights and freedoms WERE and we’re willing to stand up for them. The NWO doesn’t want that to happen. They been waiting for our elders to pass on, and they’ve been expediting everybody else’s departure in our age group via vaccines, poisons in our food, air, water, etc. We’re not dying off fast enough for them. Isn’t it great, knowing that God has us here for a definite purpose?! Even if it is just getting in their way! 🙂

            Blessings!

        • DC

          Yes, these Sustainable Goals are the Georgia Guidestones on steroids. Thanks for sharing all that info. You know, I’ve read each story on it but a few months go by and we forget about it. They are constantly plotting and planning to reduce the population. The clean water is a joke; Flint went from using the Detroit river to its own and you’ve probably seen how that turned out. Yeah, let’s give all the poor blacks lead in their water. (I do support what Jewish Voice is doing in other countries with the LifeStraw which filters water.)

          • Skywatcher

            DC, you said a mouthful right there: “I’ve read each story on it but a few months go by and we forget about it.” That’s exactly what they’re counting on…our forgetting about it! This forgetfulness is expedited with the chemtrails!

  • Char

    David, yikes, that’s pretty scary to have to have vaccinations, but like I said, I think the kids here in Illinois still have to have vaccinations or they won’t accept them into the schools, especially kindergarten. We used to have to get a polio shot way back in the Flintstones era because it was rampant then, but now it’s unheard of pretty much. Yes, thank God this world is not our home. It’s too crazy to fit into.

  • Char

    DC, SW, David K, Edwitness, WOW, my head is going to explode with all this information. This blonde head can’t take in all this in one day. I thought I was a pretty healthy eater cause I ate 2 slices of cucumber with my grilled cheese, but this is beyond my comprehension. Well, it sounds like there’s no use in trying to eat healthy anyway, cause there’s nothing healthy to eat. So I rest my case. Back to chips and ice cream (organically grown, of course).

    With all this info, our stupid president is still trying to push climate change. LOL The blockhead doesn’t realize that’s the least of our worries (or maybe he does and doesn’t care).

    • David Kaus

      Char, eat as healthy as you can. Organic foods do not alter DNA but GMO foods do. Try to get as much from farmers markets as you can, or shop smart. The less pollution you put in your body the better your immune system will be able to fight off diseases. Pray, thank God for the food He has provided you and ask Him to protect you from food contamination. Detox once in awhile, or continually on a preventative basis. Once the immune system gets over loaded then it can’t fight off disease. An ounce of prevention is still worth a pound of cure.

      A lady told me once that she always washes off her fruit and veggies when she comes home from shopping before she eats any, and never gets a cold. The one time she didn’t she caught a cold.

      Grocery stores are loaded with people coughing, sneezing, handling food, going to the bathroom and not washing their hands, etc and then we come along an use the same carts they used, and buy food they touched or coughed, and sneezed around.

      • DC

        Your last paragraph grossed me out! I’m going to add germaphobe to all my other phobes!
        I drink a lot of water all day; do you think that helps flush out the system? I used to get sick when I taught school, but now get only about 1-2 colds a year.

        • David Kaus

          D.C

          Good mineralixed salt is some thing many people do not get at all. Salt is a purifier, and a mineral needed in the electrolyte process of the body. So make sure you are getting some good mineral salt for your foods at some health food store.

          Regular salt is processed and lacks mineral content. In addition a chemical is put in processed salt to keep it from “caking.” Natural salt will “cake” due to the moisture in the air.

          Vegetable fiber foods are great for flushing out the intestinal tract. When raw fruits and vegetables are eaten the pounds fly off naturally. A veggie broth or soup is also great for health and detox.

          • DC

            Good to know. I use a salt substitute and my husband has his own salt-lick. (just kidding, but really, why am I the one who’s pre-diabetic? He adds salt to everything, eats chips & store-bought sweets, and drinks the sugariest beverages.)
            I just learned about the cellulose (wood fiber) in Parmesan cheese–even in the shredded kind! When did we become woodchucks?
            My mom had a 21″ waist when she married my dad and only had an occasional burger & fries back in the 50s-60s. Look at how unhealthy and overweight we are now. Yes, we may be more sedentary, but a lot HAS to be the change in foods.
            I really appreciate you; needed to tell you that again. It’s a lot to absorb. I’m glad Geoff leaves the posts up so I can come back and read/write down all this good info.

          • DC

            p.s. is mineralized salt in a salt product or do you buy it separately? Also, I don’t eat canned soup b/c they have so much sodium; I make homemade.

          • DC

            I just reread where you told me where to get the salt. Duh. 🙂

          • Skywatcher

            David, the “mystery” chemical you were referring to in salt is ALUMINUM! As you probably know, it causes cancers, Alzheimer’s and Dementia, + numerous other ailments! It’s also in most deodorants too.

            Listen, for all of you reading our posts about these terrifying “discoveries”, PLEASE REMEMBER…to keep your eyes upon Jesus! These things are merely vehicles that the NWO is using to send us home faster! From what I’ve read in God’s Word, I don’t see any really good reason for hanging around much longer on this planet, and that’s exactly why Christ has promised to deliver us from such!

        • Skywatcher

          DC, if you want to run an expensive but easy experiment, buy some boxes of cereal that says, “Fortified with Iron”! Dump some out, and run a magnet past it! It will stick to your magnet because they have very fine fibres of real iron in it! This is NOT the iron that is recommended in one’s diet!

          • DC

            You know, Grand Rapids, MI was the 1st in the nation to fluoridate water, and I didn’t live there, but now that we hear it’s bad, I wonder how much cancer there can be attributed to it. I remember fluoride treatments at the dentist’s office. Again, I just don’t remember hearing about there being so much cancer when my parents were growing up. I think it’s part of a master plan.

      • Skywatcher

        David, you said, “Organic foods do not alter DNA but GMO foods do.” This may be true, but microwaving the food alters the DNA and enhances the poisons in the foods! Mike Adams had a story a day or two ago in NaturalNews, stating which seven foods should NEVER be microwaved due to this. Spuds was one of them!

        • David Kaus

          Amen Skywatcher

          Never use a microwave it does all you said in your post and also destroys all mineral content, and vitamins in food.

          • DC

            I went back to an air popper for popcorn, as the chemicals on Orville bagsv(sorry Skywatcher) are bad for you. I guess you can use a regular paper lunch bag, but I like my air popper.

    • David Kaus

      Major Food Companies using aborted babies for food flavor, etc.

      http://www.naturalnews.com/049367_aborted_babies_flavor_chemicals_food_corporations.html

      • DC

        Thanks. I’m going to read that one for sure. I’m catching up on all I missed in the short time I was away. Mom would say we need to go outside and play!

        • Skywatcher

          DC, no need to worry about which brand of popcorn you use or how you pop it! It’s all made from GM’d corn!
          Did you know that air fresheners in your home also cause cancer, etc. ? The list is endless! Did you know that the CFL lightbulbs and the LED lights are extremely dangerous to one’s health and to the environment? You said in a recent post to me, that you think this is part of a master plan. You’re starting to wake up as to what is really going on, as a great many others are too, however, it’s too late to save our bodies. We’re doomed for Heaven! : )

      • DC

        I just read it and am sad all over again. I think it’s the same article I read last year. How can snopes say it’s false?

        http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/pepsi.asp

        Then I googled is snope reliable? and found a Christian site:

        http://www.tblfaithnews.com/entertainment/humanitys-pop-bible-debunking-snopes-com

        Who said:

        “Indeed, snopes.com has come under fire numerous times for liberal bias and anti-Christian slant,”

        Answered my own question; that’s all I need to know.

    • Skywatcher

      Sis, that was a lot of information! Prophecy has been fulfilled in YOUR life this day! The prophet Daniel was told that there would be a knowledge explosion in the end times!

      As for calories, enjoy life one day at a time, with modest portions; that may mean two or three “modest portions” / setting! 🙂 My three little slices of gumdrop cake weren’t 3 inches thick, as David might think! 🙂 We do need to watch our weight because it not only taxes the knees and the back, but it is not necessary to be obese. Watching out for Aspartame (and all other artificial sweetners) and MSG are the biggest culprits in the weight department.

      As for blockhead and climate change, he knows full well what he is doing! That’s a huge money-making hoax whereby, we’ll each have to pay so much for the air that we breath! When I was a lad, we could go to a service station and put free air into our tires; today, we pay for it! That was the beginning…the introductory lesson, so to speak.

      If Jesus should tarry, another generation down the road will have no idea what their God-given rights, freedoms, and provisions were! They will totally depend upon the government to mandate and regulate every area of their life, starting with what time they rise in the morning, what they do throughout the day, and when they are to go to bed, etc. They won’t know any different.

      The climate change hoax is also a major distraction from the REAL serious issues that are going on.

      Keep looking up!

  • Char

    David, Oh barf! My grandson works in the produce department of Walmart and he said he didn’t want to eat their produce. It has spiders in it and all kinds of bugs when they set it out. That’s one thing I watch are germs. My daughter says I’m a germaphobe. I always have a bottle of alcohol (not the drinking kind) in my hand, but as for eating the right foods, not so much. Yes, I need to heed your advice and I will try although I have to cook for my younger grandson also and I know he should eat more veggies, but he won’t, but I guess that’s no excuse for me not to. Well, happy (good) eating everyone!

  • Pistol Peter

    Whale, hello thar, Sister Char! Skywatcher’s been noticin’ my absence, so I see. Hi thar, ye ole Skywatcher! Thar’s been a lot of activity on here today, of the nutrition kind; what a blessed change from yesterday! I dare anyone tell me God don’t answer prayer!

    Char, you can be honest with ole Pistol Peter here. You’ve been using that alcohol on your hands and then lickin’ yo’ fingers? 🙂 I know of men folk that drink that rubbin’ alcohol or mouthwash like it was Pepsi! OHHHHh! I shudder to think ’bout it! I’m just funnin’ wit ya, my dear Sister!

    I’m as excited ’bout hearin’ of yo’ sister comin’ into Christ’s fold as a five year ole boy being told by his daddy they’s goin’ fishin’! Bless God! That’s wonderful news! I agree with Sky…see the hand of God move when His saints get together in unity and work together! MIRACLES HAPPEN! We aren’t about to stop prayin together either, are we? ‘Course not! “The family that prays together stays together! We’s family!

    Speakin’ of which, encourage your brother-in-law to eat or drink as much lemon juice as he can, in moderation of course! Put it in his tea, water, foods, etc. Them thar cancer cells cannot tolerate the acid in the lemon juice! It gets right into the cells of the body and instantly kills off dem thar life-robbin’ cells! Who woulda thunk it?!

    WARN him NOT to drink any of that “Ensure” sewage that the doctors are anxious to shove in his direction! It is nothin’ but sugar, and cancer cells thrive off of sugar! Big Pharma pushes it, ’cause they know it makes patients sicker and thar bottom line climbs up higher for them. Too bad it wouldn’t climb so high as to be able to kick ’em in the stupid head.

    Then…you encourage him to find a black market TCH paste maker and start eatin’ that paste that comes from boiled down MJ! I personally know people who have been healed by this medical marijuana that the good Lord provided for His people.

    Ya don’t smoke the stuff!!! That defeats the purpose! It has to be cooked down; there are none of dem buzz things either. One can watch Rick Simpson’s Run From the Cure on Youtube, where he shows testimonies and how to do it, but it is VERY flammable! Two years ago, our brother in Christ had a co-worker that was just diagnosed with that thar lung cancer. It was the size of a silver dollar (US) when it was discovered. This man knew what to do, so he grew his own “garden” and “preserved” it in proper manner.

    He got on a healthy regimen of the paste, a decent quantity at first, about a spoonful; as time goes on, he will require less and less. Rick will instruct, if he’s still on YouTube. The doctors (quacks) blasted his body with the poisons (radiation and chemo), the killing agents. He went in for check-ups with all the mad scientists that were working on him, and they couldn’t believe he never lost a hair! He never missed a day of work,and never felt sick, and he looked like a picture of health! They were gobsmacked and flabbergasted, telling him NOT to stop “whatever it was” he was doing! He is now advancing into his second year…cancer-free! This is why the government don’t want people growin’ it…it heals, instead of keepin’ ongoin’ treatment happening until they pass over to the happy huntin’ ground. Ching, CHING!

    This should NOT come as a surprise to us Bible-believin’ Christians! After all, in the Book of Revelation 22:2, it speaks of the Tree of Life, whose leaves are used for the healin’ of the nations! Wouldn’t it jus be hilarious if it was a huge marijuana tree! I’d spend the first thousand years laughin at that!

    Well, I don’t want to wear out my welcome, so I’ll be mosyin’ along. I’m a tad bit exhausted from the intense battle of yesterday. I was in church twice today, and there were no wedgies for me to attend to, so no black eyes! It’s all good! Tomorrow, I’m a’plannin’ to blacken the eyes of the devil, evera which way I kin, startin’ out by praisin’ Jesus! I love you folks, you know! Keep your personal paddock gates closed and well guarded. Don’t let any rails fall off your fences that will allow the enemy to sneak in and give ya’s a rough time! BB, when yo’ out thar throwin’ lures at dem fish, if ya gotta take a drink from the stream, bring the water up to yer mouth, so you can be seeing what’s goin’ on ’round ye! Gideon lost a huge chunk of his army because they was too dumb to know how to drink proper! God bless ya’s all! I’ll be seein’ ya’s one side or t’other!

    • DC

      You are a hoot. Yes, it’s been a good day. I really do want to start over with the other person, but am content to have said my piece for now and hope for peace later.

      I put lemon juice in my water. I also read that you should take drink cider vinegar, like 1T, or add it to water for the reason you mentioned. I’m pre-diabetic and my mom’s full-blown type 2, so I go to a lot of the diabetes sites. One is really good from the UK and they had a great list of top 10 low-carb breads. I don’t mind paying more; I DO mind having to fly to the UK to get it! Alas, none were in the good ol’ US of A.

      Now I’m talking like you, so it’s time to go to bed!

      • Pistol Peter

        DC, my pappy uses apple cider vinegar in his water fo’ arthritis, and it is the only thing that works for ‘im. NaturalNews.com, which our dear brother David and others have cited to you have some very wonderful remedies and cures for Diabetes! You might want to check out their archives. If’n you can’t find nothin’ let me know, ’cause I saved dem articals. Pleasant dreams! One less sleep…

        • DC

          I did send off an apology to D this morning, as Edwitness kindly told us to behave better. I was very frustrated at the time, but I actually feel better, and no, I’m not trying to be “the bigger person.” I felt bad for letting her have it, whether we think she deserved it or not. On my walk with the Lord I sometimes have to run to keep up, but thankfully He stops and waits for me to catch up.

          Thanks for the info. I do go to a lot of sites and have a library of cookbooks that I know I’ll rarely open, but my intentions are good. 🙂

          • David Kaus

            I have an air popper myself DC. The micro bags, and other bag type popcorn contain oils/butter that contain GMO or trans fats (created in industrial processing) or both. Most, if not all popcorn bought in stores are from GMO corn.

            I’m fortunate to have a farmer near by that makes his pop corn from NGMO corn. But most health food stores sell NGMO pop corn, and chips.

            Butter also is a problem. Most brands come from cows that are not grass fed, and feed from GMO corn. Land O Lakes butter for instance is a GMO butter. Most big chain grocery stores have NGMO butter.

            To make the butter go a lot further I put Olive oil in with NGMO butter, and NGMO pop corn, and a good mineral salt. It taste great. The Olive oil is also NGMO. Most olive oils are mixed with trans oils and you are not being told about it.

            Scripture tells us that anger is justified at times but don’t let your anger get you to where you sin. Some people need to pluck the beam out of their own eye before they start giving out advise to others. Don’t always be put on a guilt trip because you got angry about something, or some one. That being said, if you do feel yourself getting hot over an issue then it is best to take the time to sit back and think over things before you respond no matter how long it takes 🙂

          • Skywatcher

            Good for you, Sis! I make NO apology for waging war for my Master. I’ve noticed that all the cult members come out with their mouths flapping in the wind, falsely accusing right from the start. That’s a sure way that I can discern whether they are or not!

            No, I’m satisfied in my heart that I did no wrong worthy of apologizing. It’s not a pride issue for me either; nowhere in the Scriptures do we EVER see any of God’s people sucking up to and apologizing to their enemies! DD is a spiritual enemy, so long as she refuses to repent and apologize. It’s called pride. She’s LIKE a vampire that thrives off blood and darkness; she thrives off our apologies! I won’t be feeding the critter! When the Holy Spirit supersedes my human spirit and TELLS me to apologize, I will gladly. So far, it’s buried in the past and He hasn’t seen any need to make me feel bad for the experience by bringing it up to me again.

  • Char

    DC, you should write an exercise book. I would buy it. I will follow your routine daily! Keep up the good work. In no time at all, you’ll be looking like Jane Fonda! You’re right. This has been an off topic day on this website. Geoffrey must be thinking, “how do I get rid of these people and get back to the reason I have this website”, but we’re having fun, so we took a day off from seriousness a bit. That’s okay, once in a while, right? I love you guys, too. You keep my life interesting and informed!

    • DC

      I almost took a sip of water and it would’ve been coming out of my nose while reading your post. Jane Fonda was the first aerobics video I did back in the day. I have never been coordinated, but boy did I try. Do you remember the “pulling the weeds” move? I didn’t wear the leotard but I did have some pretty fashionable purple and white leg warmers. I had the fluffy permed hair and don’t forget the braided headband. Oh, the 80s…Now Jane and Richard Simmons aren’t “Sweating to the Oldies” they ARE the oldies.

      Yes, I think I needed to have a bit of fun. You deserve it too.

  • Char

    Pistol Peter, hiccup. No, I only spray the alcohol all over the place, not as a mouth spray. As for my brother in law. I could write a short novel on him. He’s one of those good ole boys that don’t take no advice from no females, so I doubt that I could tell him ANYTHING about his diet. He thinks us gals are illiterate. He calls a doctor on a conference call every month and the doc tells him what to eat. He refuses to have any kind of surgery, so he’s going holistic all the way. He has made my sister eat what he eats too cuz he says he doesn’t want to smell the good food and not be able to eat it, so she’s lost some weight too, so I guess it’s not a bad thing. He also has to take about 60 pills a day. My sis thinks they both got into the church because of his cancer. Could be….whatever it takes to get you to thinking about eternity will work. Only God knows his heart. He hasn’t changed much (still yells at all the employees in stores about the prices, etc.) My sister has changed. I think she’s really had a heart transformation. She would always change the subject real quick if I started talking about the Lord and now she asks me questions, so that’s a good indication of a change, PTL. Good to hear from you again Pistol Pete. God Bless!

    • DC

      Great news, Char. We’ll keep praying for your family.

    • Pistol Peter

      Yeah, I hear ya, Char! I’m happy to hear that yo’ sister has changed. That’s a true mark of a genuine conversion. Keep prayin’ for ‘er and lovin’ her up! The b-in-law will grow in grace and wisdom if he’s truly born agin. God bless you too, little sister!

  • Char

    Oh my goodness, Skywatcher, are you saying that I should stop getting a flu shot every year (I’ve gotten one for so many years, I can’t even remember when I didn’t get one). Since my grandson is here, I don’t want him bringing any flu or colds or diseases home (remember, I’m a germaphobe), so I always “nag” my daughter to get him a flu shot every year.

    My daughter pops every kind of pill known to man for headaches, panic attacks, bipolar, sleeping, etc. I told her I’d hate to be around the day she can’t get all these med’s for everything that she says she has. I finally took them away from her and I dispense them to her when she asks for them because she was really overdoing them. But anyway, I will have to read a little bit at a time on these vaccines. Thanks for the info.

    P.S. Do you own a health shop? What kind of shop?

    • DC

      Char, not to butt in, but I’d be wary about her taking bipolar meds & drinking. My brother is bipolar and DOESN’T take the meds b/c he didn’t want to give up the beer. I took meds for depression/anxiety/panic attacks for quite some time and have truly been healed by the Lord. I still have “nerves” sometimes, but I pray through it and remember He is with me. A real faith-healing without the sideshow (Heidi Baker types.) She can do it too. We have to have faith enough to believe that we don’t need all these pharmaceuticals. That is one of the signs of the Last Days, that we’d be zombies on drugs.

    • Skywatcher

      Sis, I can only give you the information. If the Holy Spirit convicts you, then you listen to Him. These are very serious issues. If I were you, I’d be delighted to have my grandson bring home a cold or a flu virus instead of those other things they can get from the shot which can kill, cripple, paralyze, or maim him for life! After all, so what if you catch a silly little thing like a cold or the flue? You’re going to be over it in a couple of days or so, and it’s good for your immune system! It’s better than the guilt trip Satan is going to clobber you over the head with if your grandson suddenly becomes autistic!

      Colds and flu strengthens your autoimmune system by activating and using it! It shows you what a wonderfully and fearfully made body our Father has placed you into! Stop fearing, and start trusting Him more. I say that in love and grace, because I care for you. I don’t like to see you being self-imprisoned by normal every day occurrences that are there for your benefit. That’s living a life of fear, not of joy unspeakable and full of glory!

      You ask the Great Physician to get this foolish germaphobe stuff out of your mind and heart, and stop nagging your daughter to have him poked with the poison poke! You stop taking the flu shot yourself, because your family definitely needs you! If a person gets to taking too many pills, they will eventually gang up on each other, and before you know it, a stroke, heart attack, or aneurysm steps in, and that ain’t pretty!

      I don’t mean to scare you, but this is something your daughter needs to know also. Doctors are writing prescripts out far too leniently these days! They don’t have the time to read ALL the accompanying warning pamphlets that come with each medication! They get spin-offs from them, and they have their files filled with patient/client records. If one dies, they have 30,000 more waiting for a doctor to serve them!

      “Trust and obey, for there’s no other way, to be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey!” Love ya!

  • Char

    DC, Okay, now I’m telling how old I am. I STILL have those “Sweatin’ to the Oldies” VCR tapes with Richard Simmons. They’re somewhere around here. Jane Fonda looks pretty good for her old age, but (meow) take away the surgeries and she’d look like us (normal). Just like Marie Osmond. She brags about losing 50 lbs. I think it came off her face after surgery (another meow), but she looks very good for her age too (with the surgery). I have a treadmill that I dust off now and then. I bet the guys are yawning about now (including Geoffrey). So I leave you….happy exercising!

  • Pistol Peter

    DC and all, this is ole Pistol Peter agin. I forgot to mention, if’n ya know somebody with ulcers on their legs, tell ’em to throw out their conventional doc/quack treatments and to bath them twice a day with apple cider vinegar. Within about two weeks, they will be healed. I had a diabetic friend who followed the quacks for years and there was no improvement. An ole fogey like me told him what to do with the vinegar, and two weeks later, they was completely healed! The quacks were surprised, to say the least. I’m convinced that apple cider vinegar, tumeric, cinnamon, and ginger are heaven-sent elixirs fer diabetics! I’m soon goin’ to have to go hold a plank down for the night. 🙂

    • DC

      Ok, thanks. I use these spices frequently, also garlic.

  • Char

    DC, I could NEVER convince my daughter to stop taking the bipolar meds. She works herself into a panic attack over something the rest of us would just get stressed about. I can see that she can’t help it. She has an upcoming wedding to attend at the end of March and she’s already freaked out about it (and that means she will get totally smashed at the wedding). That’s a big part of my worries with her because of the Xanax and the straight Vodka that she drinks til she falls flat on her face and down stairs and everywhere else, but anyway, we will let this go cuz other folks don’t want to hear my woes. I haven’t seen her since Friday morning, so I just start praying on Sunday nights that she will not drink and drive home and, btw, thank you all for your much needed prayers for her and my son and his wife.

    • DC

      Hey, I’ve been praying for my brother for 25 years. God takes care of drunks and fools, and He hasn’t taken them yet because He still has a work to do in them. Keep being an example and hopefully she’ll eventually get tired of the roller coaster ride. I’d suggest taking a picture of her when she has one of her episodes and when you’re both calmed down, show her what she’s become and compare it to the face she tries to show the rest of the world. She has kids, am I correct? Alcoholism is hereditary, whether in the genes or learned behavior. Ask her how she’d feel if her kid was gone all weekend or came in stumbling drunk and probably drove that way.
      Is this really FUN for her? You know a kid in college away from the folks for the first time may experiment (not excusing it) but there comes a time when you have to act like a grown up. If she has had trauma or any kind of abuse in her life, she needs to understand that numbing herself for a short time doesn’t make it go away. She needs to get counseling and give it to the Lord. My brother has his reasons, but, like I said, how long are you going to abuse yourself? A family intervention years ago didn’t help, so I know she might now hear you. But A PICTURE is worth 1000 words. Do it in love, of course, but ask her if this is how she really wants to be seen by you and the kids.
      Never apologize for reaching out to us. We’re here for you. ANY time.

      • DC

        *not hear you

  • Char

    Heather, that’s good advice for Skywatcher, but he must be careful not to drop it in the toilet! That could be messy!

  • Char

    DC, okay one more for you….I neglected to mention PTL for your healing! That is wonderful that you were healed of your stress and depression. Doesn’t your brother see that you were healed and maybe he would want to be prayed for too? At least he knows that he shouldn’t take pills and drink. My daughter does seem to care.

    • DC

      Thanks. No, my brother is mad at the world and the world hasn’t seen fit to apologize, so we all tread carefully around him. He is good to my mom and then can be mean to her–the bipolar. I feel bad when I hurt people; he doesn’t. (I apologized to someone here just this morning, and it was hard but I felt worse not doing it.)

      I once prayed for two friends who had colon cancer. They were about 10 yrs. apart. One died and one recovered. I started wondering why God allowed healing in one and not the other. Yes, one’s in Heaven, the ultimate healing, but what about when Jesus said, “Whatever you ask in MY name, that I will do”? We don’t see how He’s working behind the scenes–how many may have gotten saved at the one person’s funeral who might not have done so otherwise or how many people went and had that colonoscopy they were putting off.

      It’s been said that, on the canvas of life we only see the threads on the backside, while God sees the whole picture on the other side. I don’t know why some people have overcome addiction and some are still in chains. Is it the number of people praying? Is it how long people are praying? If only we had a formula, like area=length x width; you could put in the data and have an answer, but God doesn’t work that way, so we trust in Him day after day and wait on His timing.

      Another story: just last year this same brother was mowing a neighbor’s yard, when she came out of her home, stumbled, and fell and broke her neck (she was an alcoholic and this was not her first fall.) He called 9-1-1 but she died instantly. He felt all kinds of feelings and I told him God had him there so she didn’t die alone–that in His plan it was her day to go and nothing my brother could’ve done could’ve saved her, but at least the ambulance came and they kept her on life support and her kids got to say good-bye. Otherwise they take you right to the morgue–no good-byes. You’d THINK that would be a wake-up call for him to stop drinking, but I think it just made him more angry at God and gave him another excuse to numb his pain.
      Feel free to share this with your daughter.
      Maybe nothing you can do will stop her drinking, but God placed you there so SHE’S not alone.

  • Char

    Skywatcher, okay, I will have to wean myself off of spraying alcohol all over the place and tell my daughter what you said, but she usually doesn’t listen to a thing I say, so we will see. Quick story: Three years ago when I went to get my flu shot, the nurse said would you also like to have a shingles shot since the shingles are terrible, so I thought it would be another $10, so I said, okay. I get the bill and it’s $275. I just about fell over backwards, so I called her and told her that was negligent on their part to not tell me how much it would cost and she flippantly says, ya, they are quite expensive and your insurance doesn’t pay for them, so I told her “okay, rather than have this go into collection, I will pay you $1 a month until it’s paid off”. She said, “I’ll get back to you”, so she called me back in about a week and said since they didn’t tell me how much it would be before I got it, they would write if off. So, yes, I got a shingles shot because I thought I was doing a good thing (but at least it was free). My ex mother in law had them and it was awful looking and very painful to her.

    • Skywatcher

      Good morning, Char and all! T’is a glorious one here, sunny and -4 C! Well! That was quite a bill you rec’d.! Thank the dear Lord you didn’t have to pay it. You see…it’s all about the money and no longer about ones health. Imagine how many of those $275 poisoned pokes they shove out in the run of a week! Doctoring, for the most part is nothing more than big business, under the guise of healing and caring. Satan is pretty slick!

      As for your daughter, she’s young, invincible, and putty for a brain. Eventually, with our prayerful support, and your unconditional love, she may come around in time. What she doesn’t know is that we’re quickly running out of time, but each breath and each day is an opportunity for her eyes to be suddenly opened.

      Hang in there, Kid! We’re just making our way through the veggies we don’t like; dessert is coming!

      I have a “host” of email to read, so I must get to it! God bless you!

  • Char

    DC, good morning, I read your comment and I have thought that I am not glad that your brother is an alcoholic or that you know what bipolar is, but you do understand my trials because you have been in them and are somewhat living them too. I have even videoed my daughter when she was in the floor (after my son carried her down the stairs so she wouldn’t fall down them) and she just smiles and stays quiet, but I do see that if I talk to her about it she either runs up the stairs or she starts getting snippy with me (she tells me I was a terrible mother to her when she was young).When you’ve been told off by a bipolar person, you’ve been told off by the best. She can rip me to shreds in a few minutes flat. I don’t believe I was a bad mom, but she gets me going that way. You are right that alcoholism is hereditary. Her dad is a full blown alky. He now has finally quit because he has Alzheimer’s and has several illnesses now. He carries a backpack full of pills when comes to visit here to see our children, but he hasn’t been able to travel for about a year now. He finally got his last DUI, which (believe it or not) was his 4th one, so he cannot drive anymore because he knows what jail feels like. So, anyway, she’s still not home. I feel sorry for her son because he mentions once in a while that she’s not home yet, although he’s 14, he still misses his mom. Thank you all for your prayers. That’s what both my children need, as we all do. Your brother sounds like this one lady my daughter knows whose brother is an alcoholic and she tells him, “stop your complaining, you’re not taking me down Misery Lane with you”. lol God Bless!

    • DC

      Char, God gets our attention one way or another, either through the people He puts in our lives or in consequences for our bad behavior. It’s up to your daughter how far she wants to push the issue. I know of quite a few people who didn’t stop drinking even after jail time, so the addiction is strong, I’d say even demonic. The dad of one of my former students killed someone drunk driving and two families were torn apart. I sure don’t want you all to have to go through that. Even if she’s not driving, someone in her group is…

      You are a great mom/grandma, I can tell, just from the little you’ve shared here. There is one thing I didn’t mention yet, mostly b/c I don’t have a lot of head knowledge about how to do it (though I have little sticky notes with verses on them all around the house.) Have you tried Spiritual Warfare to drive out the demon of drinking in her? We haven’t tried it with my brother–I’m far away and the rest are all Catholic, so…
      Anyway, pray over her when she’s “out of it,” believe in the Power of Jesus’ Name, and ask Him to heal her or bring her to her knees with consequences that will force her to face it. That sounds harsh, I know, but when we think about a little discomfort or temporary embarrassment for her, it’s better than the alternative.

      You certainly have your hands full, and you have my complete empathy. That poor young man needs a mom, and, again, thank God you are there right where He wants you to be and the child needs you to be. Do not let her vicious tongue make you doubt yourself. She’s projecting her anger at her lack of self-control onto you. There’s also the example she got from her dad in how to deal with life by drinking.

      I assume she has co-dependent “friends” with whom she parties and the perceived shared “fun” compels her to continue to drink every weekend. Many think they deserve to cut loose on the weekend b/c they worked all week, or any other excuse will do. (It’s Mardi Gras; let’s drink! It’s St. Patrick’s Day; let’s drink!)
      So many get their self-esteem from being one of the crowd.Help her see herself as a beloved child of God who doesn’t need to impress anyone with how crazy drunk she can be. (I had a teacher asst. in college once who on Mondays would tell us how drunk he got that weekend. I was older than most of the class (had kids 1st), so they were all impressed & laughed and I thought, “grow up.”) It’s hard to feel compassion when they act so ridiculous, fall down, vomit, etc. but she must have a very low opinion of herself to need alcohol and prescription drugs to feel good about herself.

      Still, she knows your prayers get results, and she prays some herself, so there is lots of hope. Jesus said He would not lose any that the Father gave to Him. Stop dreading the weekends, take the grandson to lunch and a movie, and live your life, while still loving her with all your heart.

      • Skywatcher

        AMEN, DC! Char, you also have an advantage in that your grandson is looking up to you. Share with him from time to time about God’s love for him, and how He helps you to deal with things. This is the time where the lad is longing for a dad to do things with, and now, he’s also basically motherless, from the sounds of things.

        Take him fishing or do whatever it is that he likes to do. Get the both of you out of the house and share the wondrous beauty of nature that God has so lovingly and graciously provided. Go on nature walks, etc. If he bulks at it, tell him, “HEY MR! I sacrifice a lot to have you here; how about showin’ Grandma some love and respect in return by going for a walk with me!”

        He doesn’t know what it is that he needs! His newfound hormones are raging; he’s being tempted from every side, and NOW, more than ever, he needs a stable adult in his life, someone he knows he can trust and go to for good counsel and unconditional love. At that age, I was being encouraged by my Grammy not to be like my father (a grudge-bearing drunk), and you know what? It is those precious times of encouragement that I got from her that I remember and cherish the most! They were the talks that kept me from veering off the path and into the pathway of a load of sin!

        Godly grandmas have a world of power at their disposal and now is the time to pour it onto the youngsters, not after they’ve found themselves in jail or on their deathbed! Your loving and compassionate talks with him may be the detour that he is looking for! Don’t waste a minute of precious time by NOT making precious memories with him! Use them all for God’s glory and for grandson’s benefit! REALLY…You’re all he has right now!

        Devout some of that time spent worrying about the daughter and dealing with her foolishness with that grandson. Share with him after her blow-ups that what she is doing is wrong, and it’s not the right way to show respect to her mother. Let him know that she’s seriously disrespecting herself when she does that, and being a very poor example to him. Encourage him, “Son, no matter how bad your mom may treat you, or not be there for you, remember, God is ALWAYS there for you, and He loves you more than your mama or anybody else ever could! And, I love YOU!” Snuggle with him, coddle him and just be there for him. That means more to him than we can ever imagine! I know! I was there!

        Use this time of her absence to build a strong bridge between the two of you. Heaven forbid, but he may not have her much longer, who knows! She’s definitely not living a healthy lifestyle.

        You’re all in my prayers every morning, and throughout the day as you come to remembrance!

    • DC

      Hey, sis, I just wanted to clarify that when I was talking about spiritual warfare I didn’t mean the faith healer kind like we recently read about. I’m talking the “Put on the whole armor of God” verses and such.

  • Char

    DC, thank you so much for your concern re: my daughter. She certainly is a handful. lol I just texted her and said “it’s time to come home and be a mom” since she’s been gone since last Friday, but she NEVER responds to me no matter what I text her or if I call her. She will respond to others, just not me. I need to get real serious about praying for her when she is “out of it” because she won’t allow it when she’s sober. She has a “fiance”. He doesn’t work either (he actually would like to, but there’s no jobs in his field of carpet layer). So, they have all the time in the world to drink every day, all day. He lost his license a long time ago from guess…yep DUI. So it’s up to her to drive, which I don’t like. Thank you again for your prayers and concern from all of you on this website. One of these days, I hope and pray to have some good news about my children as all of you do too with your loved ones! God Bless!

    • DC

      Hey, I found you! I just wrote you on the “Heidi” page b/c I’d seen in email updates for that page that you’d been talking with BB. I forgot what article page we’d been on and am not getting updates for this one in email. Should’ve known that the one we’re talking food on is the article on Turkey,haha.

      So she doesn’t have any conscience about letting you raise her child? Thank God he has you. Skywatcher was just as blessed by his grandma, I see.

      You are going to be just fine, I know it. Yes, you have a lot on your plate, but I can see how strong you are and know it’s the Lord working through you. Keep us updated.

      I got 12 robocalls/political calls today, making it around 30 for the week. I’m glad our primary is over tomorrow cuz I’m THAT close to throwing it in the garbage.

    • DC

      P.S. new post yesterday of 12 new articles on the godshealhsystem.com/blog site I often go to. Haven’t had time to read yet.

      • DC

        oops! godshealthsystem.com/blog though “heal” sounds good too. I DID say I’m tired. 🙂

  • Skywatcher

    Did any of you happen to hear the news today, where one of the pastors who prayed over Ted Cruz was shot 4 times in his church parking lot after service yesterday? The world is in such a mess that Satan is now trying to take out his own! I’m believing it’s going to be a bloody summer and fall in the land of Old Glory. I hope I’m wrong…

    • DC

      No, I didn’t. That’s terrible. I will definitely check it out tomorrow. I’m tired tonight.

  • Char

    DC, thanks for the health blog. Now go night night. Sweet dreams from your buddies!

  • Skywatcher

    Good night, All!

  • Kiwiwatcher

    Was about to comment ….
    but after checking my ice cream, and fish while I was there, counting my calories, guessing my weight, noting my next vaccination shot, washing the fruit and vegetables, testing the water…I’ve forgotten….may be later after a lie down.

    • David Kaus

      Your forgot the popcorn Kiwiwatcher 🙂

    • David Kaus

      You 🙂

    • Skywatcher

      Kiwiwatcher, you are so funny! I was thinking about all our comments as of late. Only yesterday, I realized they are shouting something out LOUD AND CLEAR, and it is this…serious Bible-believing Christians are lacking serious like-minded Christian fellowship. It cannot be had in most churches where we reside, and if we dare to speak what God has laid upon our hearts, many would ask us to leave. I’ve been there already. So, on here, we have formed a bond in Christ that we’ve obviously been craving for so long, and are having fun in it. Maybe after you’ve had your nap, you will feel like joining us? I hope so!

  • Char

    Yeah, Kiwiwatcher, get with the program! lol That was on Sunday when there were no new posts from Geoffrey, so we all had a chat session on health and I learned a few things (that I’m definitely eating all the wrong things) and a couple of health websites too, so now we’re back to business on the new posts. God Bless all you healthy people.

    • Kiwiwatcher

      Ah, dear Char…twas all too familiar territory. Having previously grown the beard and lived off the land wearing hemp clothes for several years, excavated a fresh water spring, non-aluminium products, drinking cider-vinegar, garlic, onions, preserves and buckets of honey from the hives, no microwave, non-vaccinated children, to now ….only opening doors in public with shirt sleeve down to protect fingers, or sacrificing the little pinkie (as a last resort), antiseptic hand wipes in vehicle, but eating wholesome foods and grains from the store. Gave it all over to our Lord Jesus Christ. “Casting all your care upon Him, for He careth for you.” 1 Peter 5:7. Now I have more time to study the Bible.

      But will say, after a period of being involved with chemicals 245D and 245T (agent orange – observed a woman abort my child 30mins after a drop fell on the back of her hand) I could only get out of a vehicle by pulling on the top of the door as my legs had very little strength. Read the Bible…looking…looking and decided from the Old Testament to go on a fast. Engaged an ‘attendant’ and spent two days lowering the food intake, seven days with only water, then two days to adjust to eating fully. About the fourth day – I could feel the toxins leave my body. AMAZING! Now can run and jump like a winter chicken. Will do the same in a heart beat if any health issue befall me. Blessings.
      ps – still have ice cream 9.30 every night for ‘supper’

      • Skywatcher

        KiwiW, you break me up! That was absolutely hilarious! I loved the little sermonette that you cleverly tucked in there re: care! Right on!

        So sorry to hear that you lost a child to Round-Up (Agent Orange). That’s one in heaven waiting for his daddy and mommy! Shocking, to think that evil material works that fast! Thanks, for that incredible testimony! I couldn’t but help notice, you don’t run and jump like a “spring chicken” anymore?

        A guy near here used to have his “supper” at 10:00. His caretaker later told me it was the shellac in the ice cream that took him out. It clogged his arteries. The half hour’s difference might save ya! 🙂 I’m saving that testimony, for sure! God bless you, Bro!

      • David Kaus

        Kiwiwatcher you old hippie you.

        There is a farmer up our way that uses round up in his garden and then sells his stuff at an organic farmers market in the summer. I’ve given him several articles on round up but he refuses to change any thing. His knees are in bad shape and they and other things in his body can only get the same way and then progressively worse.

        That must have been a very tragic incicent with the baby that was aborted from just one drop of agent orange. They sprayed that stuff all over Vietnam with C-130’s.

        I’m keeping my eye out for jumping winter chickens.

        God bless, David

      • David Kaus

        Hello Kiwiwatcher

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange

        Monsanto Corporation and Dow Chemical.[4]:6 It was given its name from the color of the orange-striped barrels in which it was shipped, and was by far the most widely used of the so-called “Rainbow Herbicides”.[5] The 2,4,5-T used to produce Agent Orange was contaminated with 2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzodioxin (TCDD), an extremely toxic dioxin compound. In some areas, TCDD concentrations in soil and water were hundreds of times greater than the levels considered safe by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.[6][7]

        http://www.aspeninstitute.org/policy-work/agent-orange/history

        Agent orange was used in Vietnam and in several other countries. Where did you come in contact with it when the woman you mentioned aborted your child 30 minutes after a drop fell on here hand ?

        God bless, David

        • Kiwiwatcher

          Too true David. A vile dark brew it was. Cambodia, and despite my several warnings not to go near the equipment, a single drop fell on the back of my wife’s hand. No health and safety guidelines back then. An unfortunate incident but relatively minor.

          Had posted this earlier, and wonder if its relevant with latest survey results (I’m in catch-up mode on NTEB)

          Some End-time expectations from the leaders of Judaism.
          A host of ancient texts are available to the Jewish scholars and not all sages agree, so anyone can pick holes in this topic. However, there is a common thread from their texts. It dramatically shows that about the time of the Rapture – people will face very difficult spiritual times and will be tempted to fall away. If the Bible is difficult for them to understand now – it is only going to get a whole lot worse.

          It is obvious that some Jews hold deeply to their traditions and readily dismiss the New Testament. The Rabbis/sages still hold religious sway on the day. To them, Jesus did not fulfil prophecy as He did not take the Kingdom forcibly as a warrior-king. They totally struggle with the concept Jesus went to the Cross, suffered and died.
          Nevertheless, their perspective on the future end-days is quite an eye opener. The ‘sages’ of Israel expect the appearance of two Messiahs (Mashiach) during the last days. Here, I have included Scriptures that are consistent with their ancient writings. Their vast source material, includes the Babylonian Talmud, Targum, Midrash, Zohar, and Old Testament, which speak of severe pressure and injustices against the state of Israel. This will led to an eruption of Jewish patriotism. From this, a leader will arise from the House of Ephraim, Mashiah Ben Yosef (Joseph) to come from the north of Jerusalem. He will be a brilliant military strategist, in defending the Holy Land, and defeating Israel’s traditional enemies. The country will fully revive Judaism, including worship and social structures. Elijah is also expected to make an appearance (Malachi 3:23). Ben Yosef will expand the borders (Isaiah 54:2) and purify the land, and exiles will return to the homeland (Isaiah 35:10).

          However, halfway through his campaign Mashiah Ben Yosef will die or be killed – depends on which source. A new man known as Mashiah Ben David will take his place (Jeremiah 30:17) (Isaiah 13-19) as a revived being. Jeremiah 33:15-17 “ In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness. For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;”

          Other details are available but this Rabbinic script virtually mirrors the Book of Daniel 11:40, 44, where the antichrist defeats the king of the north and the king of the south, and removes a troubling enemy from the east, before taking the kingdom by flatteries. Some True Christian scholars believe the antichrist will attempt to mimic the overtaking of countries in the Scriptures in order to be accepted. However, the error of the anti-christ will be his inability to take the country of Jordan, as God’s plan provides this area as a sanctuary during Jacob’s Trouble, which is in stark contrast to when our Lord Jesus Christ rules for 1000 years from an extended Israel when the area of Jordan is called Israel.

          After the Rapture the deception from the antichrist will easily fool the non-Bible reader into believing a messiah has arrived to deliver the promised land, and will rule over the millennial kingdom.
          Note: “Messiah” to the Church means ‘savior,’ while “mashiach” means ‘the anointed one’ to Judaism. These descriptive terms are two very distinct ideas. One is a Divine concept while the other portrays a great leader.

          The latest Pew Survey of Israel society also gives some support to my Jewish anti-christ thought process.
          Nearly half of all Israelis agree that the Arabs should be expelled or transferred from Israel.
          79% of Israelis believe that Jews should receive preferential treatment.
          61% believe that God gave Israel to the Jewish people, while ultra-Orthodox and Modern Orthodox were virtually identical – 99% and 98% respectively. 31% of secular Jews also agreed, while 50% of secular Jews said they did not believe in God or did not know.
          89% of Israel’s ultra-Orthodox Jews want Jewish ritual law to take precedent over democracy. An identical percentage of secular Jews have an opposing view.
          43% of Israeli Jews believe Israel and an Arab state can coexist peacefully side-by-side while 45% do not. Half of Arab Israelis (down from 74% in 2013) were optimistic regarding a two state solution, but 30% believe it to be a lost cause.

          • David Kaus

            Thanks for the response Kiwiwatcher

            Were they stock piling agent orange in Cambodia for use in Vietnam ? What year were you in Cambodia ? I was around the DaNang area from Jan 69 to Jan 70. The saddest tale about agent orange was that it had a neutralizer but it was deemed too much of an expense to use.

            You can see the tide turning in Israel’s society from one of a guilt complex to that of enough is enough. I don’t see any way possible for the majority of Arabs to coexist with Israeli society. In fact some prophecy sites are expecting the fulfillment of Obediah. Israel certainly will not put up with the random knife murders, etc by Arabs for long. The language from the Israeli government increasingly seems to indicate a near future solution to that problem.

            The security wall is about complete that will separate Israel from Arabs in Gaza. That wall would protect Israeli’s from Arabs if/when a fuel bomb is used to totally destroy the Edomites. The nature of a fuel bomb’s effects would duplicate what is found in Obidiah. Several rabbis in Israel believe the Arabs in Israel are Edomites.

            [18] And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.

            Jewish eschatology about Messiah ben Joseph or Mashiach ben Yoseph (Heb.: משיח בן־יוסף, Mašīaḥ ben Yōsēf), also known as Mashiach/Messiah bar/ben Ephraim (Aram./Heb.: משיח בר/בן אפרים), a Jewish messiah from the tribe of Ephraim and a descendant of Joseph is surely a stumbling stone for the orthodox, and Israel. It leads them straight into the arms of anti Christ.

            The rational behind an end time time frame of seven years will prove interesting. How a time frame is woven into a “peace” process smacks of intrigue by any stretch of the imagination. And that historically points to Islamic deception, infiltration, and then destruction.

            Anti Christ rule will start to unravel the moment after he confirms and agreement with many.

            1 Thessalonians 5:3

            “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”

          • Kiwiwatcher

            Pleased to see someone else correctly observe the significant mood swing in Israel brother David.

            From memory I believe Netanyahu has sewn up over 100 trade agreements that have tied other countries into the ‘Israeli camp.’ International trade has doubled over the last seven years. Few countries in the world are moving economically forward with such vitality. This gives Israel a power base to begin making demands, as they have done with Turkey, Greece, Cyprus, and Egypt to a certain extent, several African countries, and a free trade agreement with Canada earlier this year.

            The arabs I believe, will co-exist after pledging their allegiance to Israel, and have the opportunity to elect their own local councils, and retain their limited number of seats in the Knesset. Abbas was elected in 2009 for a four year term and currently has not the mandate to lead the arabs. Meanwhile, Israel have ‘groomed’ an arab to take over the leadership role once Abbas departs the scene. Economics will soon have the arabs eating out of the Jewish hand. Last year, only 600 jobs were created in Judea/Samaria, ‘(West Bank) under the control’ of the Palestinian Authority – which is appalling for any governing body. Israel has offered an additional 30,000 work permits for arabs to be employed in Israel this year, which I believe is the start of further assimilation.

            Interesting Obadiah. Do you believe the rabbis to be correct? The hasmonians forced the Edoms to convert to Judaism, which cancelled them out as a nation, although King Herod was Edomite. Meeting Jesus must have been an occasion for him – tribal brothers of Jacob and Esau meeting face to face.

            “And when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceeding glad: for he was desirous to see him of a long season, because he had heard many things of him; and he hoped to have seen some miracle done by him.
            Then he questioned with him in many words; but he answered him nothing.
            And the chief priests and scribes stood and vehemently accused him.
            And Herod with his men of war set him at nought, and mocked him, and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate.” Luke 23:8-11

            Seven year covenant I believe to be the counting of the Shemitah going forward, as God requested the Hebrews to do. And is a multi-religious agreement with a number of organizations, nations, and ethnic groups, regarding ‘worship at holy sites.’ The context of the verse is supportive of that belief, with the sacrifice and offerings ceasing.

            “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.” Daniel 9:27

            Of course Antiochus Epimames (“The Madman”) or as he liked to call himself – Epiphanes (“God Manifest”) performs a ‘type’ of a low key anti-christ. In 168BC he defiles the Temple in Jerusalem by offering a pig on the alter, places a statue of zeus in the Holy of Holies, prohibits Temple worship, strips the Temple of valuables, destroys all known Scripture, and sells thousands of Jews into slavery, and tortures Jews for minor offences.

            “When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)” Matthew 24:15

            Late ’79 Cambodia, observing rusting containers of 245T/245D being transferred into new barrels for removal/disposal.

            “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;” Titus 2:13
            Hopefully, Trump is not going to delay our departure. Unless, of course, more witnessing is required to bring in the last few sheep. No time for sitting on hands. Blessings brother David.

          • David Kaus

            Hello brother Kiwiwatcher

            It’s been a busy weekend, recertification classes, travel, and about a thousand and one other things.

            Whether the rabbis are correct or not about the present Arabs in Israel being Edomites is the question. As you have stated some believe that the Edomites don’t exist now, but how accurate is that information with regard to their total extinction ? Some rabbis believe that they do exist and are in Israel now. It would be interesting to see what they base that information on. Nevertheless it doesn’t look like Obadiah v18 has been fulfilled yet.

            18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them and devourer them, and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau, for the Lord hath spoken it.

            With reference to anti Christ not regarding the God of his fathers, no doubt that refers to his Jewish identity which I have stated previously. The heart of Daniel’s prophecy is in reference to Israel, its captivity in Babylon, and that captivity coming to an end. It would be inconceivable that Israel would accept a Messiah figure that was anything but a Jew. God reveals to Daniel the prophetic events concerning Israel, and the Jews for the transgression to be completed:

            Daniel 9:24

            Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

            I would have to agree that anti Christ not having regard to the desire of women in context does refer to his rejection of Jesus Christ, as well as God the Father. That would also line up with 1 John 2:22,23

            22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

            Having said all of this, the dots that still have to be connected with a Jewish Messiah are terms like “The Assyrian,” king of Babylon,” king of Tyre,” etc. The type figure of anti Christ in Antiochus Epiphanies I tend to believe gives us the geographical location of the end time anti type in the Syrian part of the Greek empire at that time. Thus the title “The Assyrian.” The reconciling of a Jewish anti Christ end time Messiah with titles like “The Assyrian,” etc leads me in the direction of an apostate Jew who has converted to Islam. Other circumstantial evidence to follow.

            Connecting dots in prophetic Scripture can be quite challenging. As we are told in Daniel, the sealing of his prophecy would unfold at the time of the end, and knowledge would increase. Knowledge in general has certainly increased. But so has knowledge and insight into the end time prophetic events. History has unwrapped much about the prophetic time capsule with partial fulfillment along the way.

            For instance, the figure 1260 has significance in Revelation. History has made a connection with this figure and Roman Catholicism/popery, and Islam.

            The 1260 reign of Roman Catholicism/popery:

            It was in 538 A.D. that Emperor Justinian’s Decree of the supremacy of the Bishop of Rome over the Church could actually be implemented, beginning the prophetic 1260 years of temporal rule by the papacy.

            The “head wound” to papal power was inflicted in 1798 when General Berthier of France captured Pope Pius VI, who soon died in captivity in Valence, on August 29, 1799.

            The 1260 year reign of Islam in Israel/Jerusalem:

            The Dome of the Rock was built by the Umayyad caliph Abd al-Malik from 688 to 691 AD.

            On May 14, 1948, in Tel Aviv, Jewish Agency Chairman David Ben-Gurion proclaims the State of Israel, establishing the first Jewish state in 2,000 years.

            Now Israel lost control of all of Jerusalem in the war of Independence of 1948, only to later get control of the Temple Mount and all of Jerusalem in the Six Day War of 1967. I believe the 1967 date started the time clock for the last generation before the second coming of Jesus Christ.

            Matthew 24

            34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

            What I’m seeing here is a connection between Islam, Israel, anti Christ, and Roman Catholicism/popery and end time events. More dot connecting on my part and it’s being verified to some extent with what we are seeing of these entities today in the Middle East.

            More to follow.

          • Skywatcher

            Kiwiwatcher and David K, I see this has become a closed conversation, but if I may stick my nose in just for a brief moment….

            Years before I found out that Walid Shoebat is a RC, I bought his DVD series, “Prophecy, Islam, and the Bible”. He very scholarly takes us to the Book of Genesis and shows us who the Edomites and other Islamic nations were! There were a great many of them! He brings it right up to the present day Islamic situation. As a former Muslim, he goes to great lengths to expose them. “Coincidentally” (?), he also says the Roman Catholics had their start way back then at the Tower of Babel!

            As for this “1260” DAYS (forty and two months, 30 days each). It’s NOT “years”; if one divides 360 Jewish calendar days (one year) into 1260, you have 3.5 years. 1260 divided by 30 = 42 months. No matter how one does the math, it comes out to 3.5 years. There are two sets of these “1260” divisions: Revelation 12: 6 and 13: 5; together, they form the seven years of Great Tribulation. I’ve never seen them applied in the way that you have done David. The situations you cited do not come to “1260 years”, from my perspective.

            It will be very easy to have a Jewish AC when the time comes. As in N. America, there are very few younger people who are truly “Christian”, so it is in Israel and truly religious Jews. When the “strong delusion” comes to full swing, these younger secular Jews/anti-Semites, who won’t know a lick about their Jewish roots, will gladly receive an apostate or even an Islamic Messiah. They will do ANYTHING out of desperation to save their skins! Their allegiance to the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph right now is almost as weak as water. It is especially so to those who’ve attended university!

            There! That’s my two beaver’s pelts worth! I’ll get out of your way now! 🙂

          • Kiwiwatcher

            Only several years ago I learned to be careful whenever digesting a Scriptural reference denoting peoples or kingdoms etc. The three methods available for interpretation involve a ‘type’, or ‘people of a geographical area’ or ‘an ethnic tribe/people.’

            Unfortunately former salesman Bill Salus provides an example of making a classic error of interpretation with Psalm 83 as an apparent prophecy. Without delving too deeply into his theory – Bill (from memory) comes up with ‘tents of Edom’ which in the Psalmist’s day – were located in southern Jordan – a geographical reference.

            However, Bill interprets the ‘tents of Edom’ with an ethnic reference and moves them into Israel as arabs(Palestinians). Then on the other side of the coin – Bill claims Tyre as written by the Psalmist – must be Hezbollah as ancient Tyre is now modern Lebanon – thereby using a geographic reference to interpret the Scriptures. A very unprofessional method of using two types of interpretation in order to valid his theory.

            The Assyrian (Kurdistan), king of Babylon (Iraq), king of Tyre (Lebanon), are certainly types as with Antiochus Epiphanies.
            Rather than describing a leader from a geographical area, I believe, the reference is to their character. ‘Military prowess, vain, proud, desiring to be worshipped, not Godly but definitely kingly, manipulator of peoples.’ Previously I had assumed there was a geographical reference but as the ‘kings’ come from differing areas – dismissed the thought, although still hold a sweet spot for the Kurds.

            All the above kings took the ‘kingdom’ by force – showing the methods of a non-Jew. However, the anti-christ will take the ‘kingdom’ by flatteries – showing (in my view) that he will be a Jew, and act Jewish.

            Previously I had assumed that the last days prophecy needed to be expanded to cover the last 2000 years and had made a reasonable job of convincing myself. Including dates, happenings, matching numerology etc. However, “But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end:…” Daniel 12:4 convinced me that a Book on prophecy from God, would not be shut until the last days if it included important prophecy over the previous 2000 years – otherwise what would be the Spiritual relevance – especially when it dovetails so completely with Revelation. My interpretation now is that the clock began ticking from 1967, and including the capacity to further delve into Daniel.

            “And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.” Revelation 10:9

            I believe this to be the Book of Daniel that John was given, and when digesting its contents the flavor in his mouth was sweet as he gained understanding, but bitter to his stomach as he gained deeper understanding, – including the nationality of the anti-christ and how Israel had been deceived by the dragon. (personal interpretation only)

            “And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king’s business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.” Daniel 8:27

            Why did Daniel become ill and pass out? The previous verses show Daniel to be given a clear vision of the personality and nationality of the anti-christ who “shall also stand up against the Prince of princes”….in my view – a mighty Jewish leader who betrays God.

            Blessings brother David

          • David Kaus

            Salus misrepresented a lot of things in Psalm 83 Kiwiwatcher. He turned a prayer into a thus saith the Lord prophecy. Salus will sit at the table with any one as long as it promotes the sale of his books.

            Partial fulfillment of prophecy, of which there can be no doubt has happened in history, still doesn’t unseal the final prophecy. I think history has proved that. There simply wasn’t enough historical information in times past to get any accurate bearing on a last days fulfillment.

            Yes anti Christ takes “the kingdom” by flatteries, and he also is a king of fierce countenance who honors the god of forces. This speaks of his aggressive war spirit. The flattering type is seen in Absalom, who later on rallied an army to defeat David and take the kingdom by force.

            I’m not sure if I can agree with you that the titles given anti Christ are just to denote his character, although they certainly do that. It doesn’t seem that Scripture would have to hop scotch around naming kings whose character are essentially the same.

            Thank for the insights brother Kiwiwatcher. One of my objectives in throwing all of this out there was to see how much water it held.

            God Bless, David

          • Kiwiwatcher

            So true brother David, in regard to fulfilment of prophecy – as interpretations can lead to significant miscalculations. I am not sure whether some prophecy fulfilments are misinterpreted due to a lack of faith, a lack of knowledge, or a desire for something else. The major misinterpretation being from heart of Judaism itself, in not correctly reading the Scriptures and recognising the Son of Man as the Messiah. Some other minor prophecy I would put in a similar basket where there is simply a refusal to believe that the divine prediction has come to pass, or is a partial fulfilment.

            But the real purpose for this reply brother David, is due to a news story hot off the press. This article relates to my sweet spot for the Kurds, knowing that some had Jewish customs and traditions, which may be of significance in the drawing the last days to a close. I have no Scriptural support but other than being a student of the Middle East for 40 years or so….have felt that the Kurds would produce a ‘warrior king’ in the last days, not having a kingdom, would create a kingdom by pushing three other ethnic groups to one side. Pure speculation, but with the US pushing for Syria to be partitioned, enjoy the notes – full story at the link below.

            Iraqi Kurdistan sees a Jewish revival, thanks to the Islamic State
            The first Jewish representative in Kurdistan’s government has helped lead a new flowering of Jewish life in northern Iraq, to counter the jihadis’ horrific sectarianism

            In the streets of Irbil, the capital of Iraqi Kurdistan, today, a small group of local Jews wear their kippahs proudly. It is a sight only the city’s elderly can recall having seen before, and espying this long-forgotten religious headgear has brought a few to tears.

            Following the declaration of the State of Israel in 1948, anti-Jewish violence forced the 2,500-year-old Iraqi Jewish community out of its ancient homeland and back to its even more ancient homeland. By the end of 1952, most of the 150,000 descendants of the Israelites exiled to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar had emigrated to the newly founded Jewish state. Today, following persecution in the 1960-70s under the Ba’ath party, which forced Jews to carry yellow identity cards, Iraq is nearly judenrein.

            But Sherzad Mamsani, 39, is now leading the charge to preserve and revive Jewish culture in his native Iraqi Kurdistan, sometimes at great personal risk.

            He started his work in 1997, penning a book about his region’s ties with Israel. This earned him the ire of local radical Islamists, who carried out a bombing against him that took his right hand. Mamsani, who volunteered last year to fight in the peshmerga militia against the Islamic State terror group, would not be cowed. And in October 2015, within the framework of a law to protect minorities that he helped pass, he was given an official appointment in the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) as the director of Kurdish Jewish Affairs.

            There are only a handful of Iraqi Kurds who claim Jewish descent. (To take a census would require the community and the KRG to define who is Jewish, and neither is willing to walk down that mine-strewn path.) But in a country torn by horrific sectarianism, there is a popular movement to foster coexistence and defend minorities, however small they may be. This movement includes the Jewish community and is also led by them. It could also impact the nearly 200,000 Kurdish Jews who live in Israel, as it grants them the right to claim reparations.

            The Times of Israel caught up with the soft-spoken Mamsani in Jerusalem. He was participating in a conference organized by the Springs of Hope Foundation that focused on the persecution of minority groups in places controlled by IS, especially the enslavement of Yazidi women. Forgoing his lunch break, he spoke in Iraqi Arabic about his work reviving the once-great Iraqi Jewish heritage.

            “For 70 years, Kurdish Jews were distant from their religion. But one does not forget their blood. My religion is not just about prayer. I’m not a Muslim, Christian, Yazidi or Zoroastrian. I am a Jew. God made me like this.
            I want to revive the history of the most ancient people in Mesopotamia. Why did we forget this most beautiful culture of ours? They took over our culture before and during the time of Saddam. Now I want to defend it in any way possible.

            Israel must understand that it is already in our conflict. There is no difference between Hezbollah, Hamas and IS. The only difference is the flag. This one is green and the other is black. What is the difference between Jewish children in Israel being killed with a knife, and a IS man killing a Kurd in Iraq? It’s the same thing.”

            http://www.timesofisrael.com/iraqi-kurdistan-sees-a-jewish-revival-thanks-to-the-islamic-state/

            ps David – the Sanhedrin have just offered up a sacrifice, a grain sacrifice of all things.

  • Char

    Kiwiwatcher, WOW! You could write a diet book just from your journal of trying everything (at least once). God Bless!

  • Kiwiwatcher

    Thank you Skywatcher, David and Char.

    And true Skywatcher, your sharp eyes have identified that the spring in my step has clearly sprung. Sad to think people in the ‘knowledge era’ are still pumping chemicals onto our food David. Think Round-Up has an accumulative effect.

    Think it was withdrawn from production but 245T and 245D (Agent Orange) in regard to Round-Up would be like comparing a deliciously aged whisky with a low alcohol beer. No comparison. One whiff of agent orange and you knew you had evil in your midst. Lungs would almost seal shut – such was it vileness.

    But speaking of Round-Up – in the late 70s some bright spark from Monsanto found that the soya crop was resistant to being sprayed with Round-Up. In south east Asia the peasant farmers were contracted by Monsanto to grow soya beans. Old Iroquois gun ships were refitted with spray booms and tanks, (and from memory) about twice during the growing season, the vast areas of crop was sprayed with Round-Up, including the nearby villages. All the choking weeds between the soya plants died off, leaving the crop fully intact – much to the delight of the peasant women who formerly weeded the areas. These harvested crops were sent in bulk to the US and other destinations to be turned into milk and other products for the food industry. At the time the product was sold as ‘packaged in the USA.’

    ‘Proof’ was presented that the soya plant did not intake the Round-Up, but it was not clear or definitive as the conclusion was – ‘no evidence of ill effects.’ From then on, I check the labelling because I have no interest in soya milk or other Round-Up contaminated products in my food.

    Then during the eighties Monsanto isolated the gene that was resistant to Round-Up and ‘genetically engineered’ the gene into maize and other crops so the same ‘weeding’ practice can be carried out.

    “If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:” Isaiah 1:19

    Bon appetite brothers and sister

    • Skywatcher

      Good afternooon, to you, Kiwiwatcher!

      So right you are, in your comment! Then to think, people dump soya sauce all over their foods! You said, “Sad to think people in the ‘knowledge era’ are still pumping chemicals onto our food David.”

      It truly is sad, because this doesn’t have to be happening, but the powers that be KNOW what they’re doing! They know they’re harvesting souls for their master, hence the Bohemian Grove, the Bilderberg meetings, etc. From above, and looking down below at the whole panoramic view of all the evil that’s currently taking place on our globe, one gets a much clearer picture and understanding about our spiritual enemy! He’s a Medusa, with poisoned and sinister tentacles reaching into every facet of mankind, including our homes! Slewfoot knows his time is very short, but he’s not willing to go down alone, whereas God is not willing that any should perish. It’s all a spiritual battle that is soon coming to an end!

      KW, you said, “Then during the eighties Monsanto isolated the gene that was resistant to Round-Up and ‘genetically engineered’ the gene into maize and other crops so the same ‘weeding’ practice can be carried out.”

      How clever was that! It deceived the masses into believing that Round-Up was no longer to be used. It’s now genetically passed on through the seeds from one generation to the next! It’s not on the shelves or noticeable any longer!

      Again I say, people need to be looking up the ingredients on their food labels, although there is still not much if anything can be done about it, without masses of people crying out together!

      That was a great post! Thank you!

      • David Kaus

        Hello Skywatcher

        Yes I realize the number 1260 in Revelation represents 3.5 years. My reference to the number 1260 was to its numerical value alone not its specific value in Revelation to 3.5 years.

        That being said there are Scriptural references to a day equaling a year. I’m not trying to change anything stated in Revelation here but showing a Scriptural reference to a day year connection.

        1) “A day for each year” in the account of the ten spies returning with a bad report to Moses about the Promised Land after spying it out for 40 days:

        “And your children shall wander in the wilderness forty years, and bear your whoredoms, until your carcasses be wasted in the wilderness. After the number of the days in which you searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years…” (Numbers 14:33,34a)

        2) Ezekiel is told to lie on his side 390 plus 40 days — “a day for each year”

        “Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity. For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year” (Ezekiel 4:4-6).

        4) Daniel’s vision of the ” seventy weeks” (490 days)

        “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city … from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks … And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease…” (Daniel 9:24-27)

        In conclusion the references I gave in my post about Roman Catholicism, Islam, and Israel and the number 1260 had a connection in that respect with that number in Revelation without any references to time.

        • Skywatcher

          Ahhh! I see where you were going with that! Sorry, Bro! I missed something along the way apparently!

          • David Kaus

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    • David Kaus

      Hello brother Kiwiwatcher

      I wish I knew more about the Kurds. I find their geographic location very interesting along with their Islamic, Jewish, Christian population. Turkey doesn’t seem to like them very much. The Kurds more moderate ways seems to duplicate more of an Israeli life style than Islamic. Saddam Hussein gassed them and murdered many. I see they are fighting and taking a strong stance against ISIS. Did you ever get out to that area or Israel in your travels ?

      Putin must have gotten the deal he wanted from the west to start pulling out of Syria. Russia’s economy might have collapsed if the west’s oil pipe line to the E.U was installed. The Middle East is being revamped for end time events.

      The grain offering is part of the beginning of the fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy where the institution of animal, etc., sacrifices are spoken of.

      Daniel 9:27

      “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”

      The Sanhedrin are also practicing how to sacrifice sheep in the Temple which ties into the context of Daniel 9:27.

      The grain as you know is threshed then winnowed separating the grain from the chaff.

      The wave-sheaf offering shortly after Passover was the first fruits of the barley that the priest offered to God in the early spring. It was always waved “on the day after the Sabbath” after Passover (Lev. 23:11). This day is sometimes called the feast of the first fruits or the counting of the omer.

      Jesus Christ is the first fruit of the Resurrection.

      But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming (1 Corinthians 15:20-23,).

      https://www.templeinstitute.org/the_omer_offering.htm

      1 Thessalonians 4:16

      “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:”

      “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

      Ezekiel 4:16 (KJV)

      Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, behold, I will break the staff of bread in Jerusalem: and they shall eat bread by weight, and with care; and they shall drink water by measure, and with astonishment.

      • Kiwiwatcher

        Family members have traversed the East whilst I fought a rearguard action. Twas a wonderful friend who travelled to locations of early cultures who alerted me to the Jewish customs of a group of Kurds. They reside in the exact location king Neb of Babylon placed during captivity. This purely my baby, speculation only….not found in Scripture or on the internet, but I feel the antichrist may come from Kurdistan. See how this fits in with the Book of Daniel, and how he felt ill, and had difficulty in understanding. The Kurds are descended from the Medes. Cryus being their last king, and Jews from the captivity have assimulated into the culture. Saddam hated them, crackhead Erdogan wants to kill them all, and Walid Shoebat detests them. I rest my case.
        Have written extensively on the Kurds, the greatest troops in the Middle East, their woman also fight. But my standing comes from a few decades of study, prayer and removing the corrupted intereptations of man (prophetic industry).
        Apols if above is a mess….writting on a tiny screen, as comp is being upgraded)

        • David Kaus

          Thanks for the info brother Kiwiwatcher.

          Yes I’m seen where the Kurdish women fight along side the men much like those in the IDF.

          The whole situation that exist now in the Middle East is due to British and French imperialism and the Sykes-Picot agreement during WW 1. On May 19, 1916, representatives of Great Britain and France secretly reached an accord, known as the Sykes-Picot agreement, by which most of the Arab lands under the rule of the Ottoman Empire were to be divided into British and French spheres of influence with the conclusion of World War I.

          The British used the Hashemite kingdom and Hussein to drive the Turks out of Arabia, Israel, and Syria. Hussein then made himself governor of Syria. The French drove him out and took control of what is now know as Syria/Lebanon. Britain then took her share of Sykes-Picot agreement and took control of Israel (named Palestine at that time), and Iraq. Hussein and his dream of being the Hashemite king of the Arab world after he helped the British defeat the Turks was shatter by British treachery. The British used him and then sold him out for their own imperialistic schemes with those of France.

          The intrigue of British leaders during WW 1 to further their imperialistic agenda is just an example of what is going on behind the scenes today in the Middle East and power brokers like the U.S. Russia, E.U, the Arab world, popery, etc.

          Even Zionism was a tool of the British to use wealthy Jewish bankers, and merchants to influence world leaders like Wilson to give military aid to the British in WW 1.

          The Russian revolution, led by many prominent Jews, was the beginning of the British imperialistic apple cart being toppled over. Britain’s schemes, and double dealings were exposed to the world by the Russian revolutionist.

          WW 1 was all about imperialism, and alliances. Germany was on the bottom of the imperialistic totem pole, and knew she would lose her power struggle with Britain and France eventually if they continued to take over the world and its resources with their imperialistic agenda. Sadly many men, women, and children are sacrificed to the greed of men, and nations, under the guise of nationalism, imperialism, and patriotism. Pride goeth before a fall.

          Under Sykes-Picot, the Syrian coast and much of modern-day Lebanon went to France; Britain would take direct control over central and southern Mesopotamia, around the Baghdad and Basra provinces. Israel (Palestine) would have an international administration, as other “Christian” powers, namely Russia, held an interest in this region. The rest of the territory in question—a huge area including modern-day Syria, Mosul in northern Iraq, and Jordan—would have local Arab chiefs under French supervision in the north and British in the south. Also, Britain and France would retain free passage and trade in the other’s zone of influence.

          So the boarders we see today defining Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey are a result of the Sykes-Picot agreement of WW 1 of 100 years ago. Not get the following:

          Kurdish Regional Government leader Mesut Barzani recently announced that, with the hundredth anniversary of the Sykes-Picot treaty fast approaching, “[world leaders] have come to this conclusion that the era of Sykes-Picot is over.” For Barzani, the implication was obvious: it was time to redraw the region’s outdated, arbitrary, European imposed borders and create an independent Kurdish state.

          It looks like every thing we are seeing now in the Middle East is headed toward this end.

          Russia was supposed to have gotten Constantinople after WW 1 but she pulled out of the war and fought a revolution. That cancelled her agreement with Britain and France in acquiring that territory. Russia is still looking to regain that territory and access to the Mediterranean sea through the Black sea and the Bosphorus strait around the “Golden Horn.”

          The implications of all of this is staggering. Are we seeing the beginnings of a territory being created where the little horn comes out of ? It certainly would include part of the old Assyrian empire if not all of it. The Kurds have a history of being a peace loving people who have been forced to fight for their survival. It isn’t too much of a stretch of the imagination to see them as brokers of a Middle East “peace” agreement with Israel once the dust settles.

          Are your writings on the Kurds in article or book form ?

          God bless brother

        • David Kaus

          Hello brother Kiwiwatcher

          Here’s an up date on the Kurds and the negation of Sykes-Picot agreement of WW 1.

          Here is some more information that pertains to that subject with the realignment of the Middle East by the new world order.

          It has to do with the Sykes-Picot agreement of WW1 that are detailed in the video below in another post titled:

          “Promises – Betrayals- Middle East” This video gives great insight into how the problems we see in the Middle East were created by British/Frence duplicity, double dealing, lies, deception, and broken promises made during and after WW 1, and the mandates that came out of the Versailles conference concerning Israel, and the rest of the Middle East.

          There is an ongoing movement now to undo the Sykes-Picot agreement of WW 1 that established the boarders in the Middle East we now see. Can you imagine the upheaval that will cause, and what will have to take place to bring that about ??? The article below details the information.

          Hussein Obama declared that the Islamic State (ISIS) is currently committing genocide against several groups of victims.

          Does this declaration unite the world against ISIS in such a way that an international conference can be called to re-create the Map of the Middle East?

          “Religious Minorities React to Islamic State Genocide Declaration”

          “Representatives from the religious minority community in the Middle East strongly support the Obama administration s decision to finally concede that the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL) is committing genocide against their people.”

          ” ‘The Turkmen Rescue Foundation (TRF) stands in solidarity with the Assyrian Christians and Yezidis and considers this declaration an important step to relieve the suffering of all oppressed communities in Iraq and Syria’, Dr. Ali Akram Al Bayati, a Shiite Turkmen and TRF chief said. ‘We also support a resolution from the United Nations for the same purpose’.

          Notice that this claim of crimes against humanity has just jumped from Hussein Obama to the global authority, the United Nations. And, this is the step which must be taken if the Pentagon’s New Map of the Middle East (2006) is to be brought into existence.

          Hussein Obama is attempting to unite Western and Eastern nations with his declaration of ISIS/ISIL genocide against peoples in Iraq, Syria, and all the nations across which the Kurds are scattered.

          In fact, the Kurds have just taken a major step to implement the new diplomatic reality of this Middle East.

          “Kurds: One people across four countries”, Israel National News, 3/17/2016

          “The Kurds – whose representatives on Thursday declared a unified, federal region in northern Syria … number an estimated 25-35 million people in four countries.”

          Notice that, in this map, a new nation bordering four nations, is created. “Free Kurdistan” borders iran, Iraq (Shia and Sunni), Syria, and Turkey. Obviously, for the Kurds to receive this new country — Free Kurdistan — both Turkey and Iran are going to have to relinquish significant territory! Turkey will be forced to give up some land on her Eastern border with Iraq, while Iran will have to forfeit some of her land on her Western border with Iraq. In this past year, since this map was made public, Turkey’s pro-American, pro-Western military has undergone a great transformation. These generals have been pro-American since World War II.

          And, yet, in the past few years, Turkish and Iranian leaders have been communicating regularly and have even gotten together on occasion. Events in northern Iraq have demonstrated that these leaders have evidently been drawing up a joint plan by which they are going to prevent the Kurds from gaining their own country. Turkey’s armed forces are now more anti-American than in recent memory; now, you can understand why.

          The stage is now being set for this international conference to be called. The Kurds have just declared themselves to be a state, “Free Kurdistan”, and Hussein Obama has just used the Office of President of the United States to declare that ISIS is committing “Crimes Against Humanity” in a genocidal campaign that extends across several nations in the Middle East.

          This map is in play and will completely reorganize a Middle East that is will be free of entrenched dictators soon.

          God Bless

        • David Kaus

          Hello brother Kiwiwatcher

          Is the post above dated, 15 March 2016 at 2:59 pm, the one you referred to when you stated about a week back that you had posted about the Kurds.

          Do you have anything more to add about the proposed New Kurdistan, etc especially about Baghdad being on the line between two new proposed nations, Sunni Iraq, and Shia Iraq ?

          God bless

          • Kiwiwatcher

            Not entirely sure who I penned this one for – but just as it is – from my files

            A New Kurdistan out of Iraq/Syria?
            The borders laid by Sykes and Picot in Iraq and Syria nearly a century ago (1916) are now under threat. Two former senior foreign-policy makers on different sides of the Atlantic are urging a rethink of Western policy.
            Former British Foreign Secretary, William Hague wrote – “if the leaders of either country cannot construct a state where all communities can live together, it will be right to consider international support for their partition. Kurds have shown their ability to run their own affairs. A subdivided Syria might now be the only one that can be at peace.”
            Separately, the former US Ambassador to the UN, John Bolton, wrote – “Today’s reality is that Iraq and Syria as we have known them are gone. The Islamic State has carved out a new entity from the post-Ottoman Empire settlement, mobilizing Sunni opposition to the regime of President Bashar al-Assad and the Iran-dominated government of Iraq. Also emerging, after years of effort, is a de facto independent Kurdistan.”
            Now we are making some sense.
            Bolton added – “The Kurds have finally become too big a force in the region for Baghdad or Damascus to push them around. They will not be cajoled or coerced into relinquishing territory they now control to Mr. Assad in Syria or to Iraq’s Shiite militias. The Kurds still face enormous challenges, with dangerously uncertain borders, especially with Turkey. But an independent Kurdistan that has international recognition could work in America’s favour”.
            Nice to see I penned a very similar piece 13 days ago (17/11/15)

          • Kiwiwatcher

            Think this may have been a similar time

            Makes Good Sense.
            A delegation from the Kurds has just gone ‘cap in hand’ to the EU seeking $100 million to rebuild the recently re-taken city of Shingal. It does not have running water or electricity and other basic amenities. The city is in northern Iraq close to the Syrian border and can hold about 500,000 people.
            Seems like an inexpensive option – $100 mil to keep 500,000 people in the Middle East. Surely twenty countries can donate $5mil each.
            Why transport refugees around the world at huge cost when all they want to do is stay home.
            Pictured below is the Shingal hospital which had previously been ISIS HQ.

          • Kiwiwatcher

            What is with the Kurds? – (17-11-2015)
            Any resolution to the Syrian conflict will have to involve the Kurds. Their future is currently being ignored by the One World Government. This became obvious when the Kurds were missed out at being mentioned as a valid option at the recent G20 meeting in Turkey. The Kurds were the elephant waiting outside the room as the 20 heads of state huddled in deep discussions and twiddled their thumbs. But did anyone consider the Kurds at all? Nope. Not at all.
            So who are the Kurds? Apparently they date back to the Medes and currently are the fourth largest ethnic group in the Middle East. A major difficulty for them, is their original homeland straddles the borders where four countries come together – Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey, so that effectively make Kurds a minority in four countries. The process of Sykes-Picot drawing up the boundaries without much consideration to ethnicity occurred after World War 1, when the Ottoman Empire was crushed.
            Why consider the Kurds? There is about four major strands of Kurds in four areas, they are a Sunni group of varying beliefs and have greater tolerances for their fellow man. They are already in the field, they are battle hardened, very effective and determined fighters. ISIS troops number about 30,000 and the Kurds are more than a match for them. Kurdish Peshmerga forces protected Christian communities previously in Syria, rescued thousands of Yazidi citizens who threatened with genocide by ISIS last year. The Kurds have been fighting since the 1980s Iran/Iraq war, and are very familiar with creating agreements between differing parties. In the past, Iran and Syria have typically supported the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) against Turkey, while Iraq often encouraged the Iranian Kurds and Syrian Kurds to revolt against their Shiite masters. Now with the changing landscape in Syria, previous support structures have vaporised and currently Assad and Iran are hostile to any Kurd. Also the Kurds are more secular and pro-American. In fact, the latest deployment of US military advisors will be assisting the Syrian Kurdish Peoples’ Defense Units, YPG, and its allies in Rojava, or Syrian Kurdistan.
            An expanded Kurdistan would provide an excellent buffer state against Shia Iran. Even the Kurdistan Region Security Council Masrour Barzani believes a resolution is in the immediate term. He said (mid Nov 2015) that Daesh could be defeated within months if his fighters had significant logistical support and Daesh was struck from the air in both Iraq and Syria. On the front lines a 1000 strong Assyrian Christian army fights alongside the Kurdish YPG. The troops are supported by several hundred Westerners who have joined up with the aim of defeating ISIS. A week ago ISIS requested a cease fire to implement a safe passage out of Hasakah, but the Christian/Kurd troops did not have a bar of it. Too late – as the refusal was relayed back. It is serious and there is no escape. Hasakah had seven churches, which are expected to be in ruins when the troops overrun the town in the next few weeks.
            Meanwhile, exposing Turkey as the difficult one explains why the elephant was outside the room at the recent G20 meeting. Kurds and Turks do not dine well together. Turkey is vehemently opposed to an independent Kurdish entity. The general tide of Turkish public opinion is definitely against the Kurd. Across their border in Syria, the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) is under continual bombard from the Turkish air force, which reduces its military capabilities against ISIS. Previously the Kurdish PKK carried out some atrocities upon civilians, at which Turkey had them registered at the UN as a terrorist organisation, therefore inhibiting other countries (specifically the USA) from aiding their cause. Last August another Kurd military force, the Democratic Union Party (YPG) was flush from Syrian victories in Kobani and Gire SpiIn, and were poised to overtake Jarablus, the last ISIS-held city on the Turkish border. However, in a classic case of Middle Eastern geopolitical nonsense, the Turkish President Erdogan declared that Turkish forces would protect the ISIS held city from the Kurds. And so it remains in ISIS hands today. Turkey President Erodogan who fancies himself as the new Ottoman Empire emperor believes the only obstacle to his power trip is any form of Kurdish recognition world-wide. And of course, all world leaders fall into line and have been looking the other way as he bombs the Kurds. However, they have carved out a province called Rojava which must greatly disturb the Turks. Erodogan has forbidden the Kurd military to move west of the Eurphrates River and has enforced his red line in the sand with air raids. This measure has the support of Obama. Unfortunately, this free-zone has granted ISIS a safe haven and provides an exit corridor into Turkey for when the noose tightens. Then, when the sale of ISIS oil from Syria is purchased by Turkey is added to the mix – it is plain to see that Turkey, a NATO country, well and truly supports ISIS. And this may be the reason why Obama is so hesitant in supporting the obvious solution. He prefers to be a lackey for extreme Islamic policies and acts as though time is short. In showing their extremism, last Wednesday the Turkish crowd at football match against Greece booed and chanted ‘Allahu Akbar,’ during a minutes silence in respect of the French terrorist tragedy. Sadly Turkey is not an area where the loyalties of an American president should lie.
            To add some Western stability to a concerted military effort, the French Foreign Legion should be introduced on the ground to co-ordinate with the Kurdish forces. They also have significant Arabic speakers within their personnel and are so-ready for this type of operation. Also helicopter gunships included as supporting air-craft for the Kurd/Legion troops and enclaves to be established for refugees. Once the five oil wells are retaken, their income streams pay for the cost of the military campaign.
            A couple of thoughts to add. This Kurd scenario is abhorrent to Walid Shoebat, but due to his prophetic error regard Rev 13:18, I am willing to dismiss his concerns.
            Another point, is that I am sure the Kurds/Medes fit into end time prophecy but just where exactly, I am not entirely certain.

          • Kiwiwatcher

            Greetings brother David. The only update on the New Kurdistan is verbal, from contacts, that the US encouraged the Kurds to push for a federal state, but apparently – the encouragement was deliberately aimed at destabilizing the current “cessation of hostilities.” The Kurds now have realized, that the best method is patience, as the call for ‘semi-independence’ was too early in the fragile process. The longer the wait – the better their chances are, as they hold a very good hand of cards.

            Not reading too much into this but the cult of ‘worship a man’ already is in Syria. Something just to keep an eye on, and it shows the willingness of the people.

            Many people in Syria worship Assad as god. Hafez al-Assad, Bashar Assad’s dad, developed a state-sponsored cult of personality. Portraits of him, often depicting him engaging in heroic activities, were placed in every public space. He named myriad numbers of places and institutions in Syria after himself, and other members of his family. At school, children were taught to sing songs of adulation about Hafez al-Assad. Teachers would begin each lesson with the song “Our eternal leader, Hafez al-Assad”. In some cases, he portrayed himself with apparently divine properties. Sculptures and portraits depicted him alongside the prophet Mohammad, while, following her death, the government produced portraits of Assad’s mother surrounded by a halo. Syrian officials were made to refer to him as the ‘Sanctified one’. This strategy of creating a cult of personality was pursued further by Hafez’s son Bashar al-Assad.

            Blessings

          • David Kaus

            Very interesting. Two foreign delegates put together Sykes-Picot, and now two former senior foreign-policy makers are putting together the New Kurdistan,etc., one again being British. I can imagine what is goin on behind the scenes because it’s imperialism/world dominion all over again.

            ” The Islamic State has carved out a new entity from the post-Ottoman Empire settlement, mobilizing Sunni opposition to the regime of President Bashar al-Assad and the Iran-dominated government of Iraq. Also emerging, after years of effort, is a de facto independent Kurdistan.”

            And who was behind all of this ? Let me guess, Britain and the U.S.

            “. “But an independent Kurdistan that has international recognition could work in America’s favour”.”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG9_Z1F7D8k That’s a good size building that was taken out.

            All those buildings and no electricity, running water, or sewer system. A 100 million isn’t going to go very far. Where is the electricity going to come from ?

            The modernization of Shingal is going to set up a commercial center with modern conveniences. It looks like a capital of New Kurdistan in the making.

            An interesting fact: Shingal is in an Assyrian Province. ………. which contains the ancient Assyrian city of Nineveh, was an integral part of Assyria from the 25th century BC to 7th century AD, and still retains an indigenous Assyrian community to this day.

            Who are the Yazidis and why is Isis hunting them?
            The Iraqi ethnic and religious minority descends from some of the region’s most ancient roots and face executions for a reputation as ‘devil worshippers’

            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/07/who-yazidi-isis-iraq-religion-ethnicity-mountains

          • David Kaus

            I didn’t realize man/god worship was that fanatical in Syria.

            “Many people in Syria worship Assad as god. Hafez al-Assad, Bashar Assad’s dad, developed a state-sponsored cult of personality.”

            What a possessed mind set. How does any one negotiate with this ??? There is no rational here at all.

            Most of the world, including the U.S. is already worshipping the dragon/satan in various ways. So man/god worship won’t be a difficult step for many. Little children keep yourselves from idols.

            Let me run this by you kiwiwatcher.

            In what time frame would you put the Translation of the Saints with reference to these Scripture verses ?

            King James Version: 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2

            1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, (Translation/Rapture)
            2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
            3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
            4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

          • Kiwiwatcher

            Regarding 2 Thess 2 brother David
            This section of Scripture tends to bring some color to the discussion with Christians, however, it is relatively simple.

            Paul instantly knew that the fake letter being circulated, reputed to be in his name, and was in gross in error, due to one simple but significant fact – and one that is often repeated today – the ‘day of Christ.’

            Most people interchange ‘day of Christ’ with ‘day of the Lord’ as was done in the fake letter. Paul was the only apostle to mention ‘day of Christ’ and every time – he meant the ‘Bema seat’ however, poorly scripted Christians overlook this fact, and consider it to be the same as the ‘day of the Lord.’ This is a massive error of understanding, even with much learned scholars of the Bible. If Paul meant ‘day of the Lord’ he would have said so, as the term was available to him. Meanwhile, day of Christ, was not available to any other ‘teacher’ of the Scriptures, only to Paul.

            “Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.” Phillipians 2:16

            Paul was looking forward to ‘rewards’ upon the ‘day of Christ,’ which was the ‘red flag’ in the letter being distributed in his name. The ‘day of Christ’ is an obvious moment of time (Bema seat) and Christians would never have to ask.

            My King James Bible 1967 edition has correctly changed it back to the ‘day of the Lord’ because that is the meaning behind the reference, and showed by Paul as he elaborates further down in the verses.

            The Rapture has been discussed previously with the young Thessalonika Church and is not being questioned, so Paul says – in regard to our glorious Rapture that we spoke about previously, be not bothered that the ‘Tribulation’ is already here.
            Because the Tribulation can not begin, unless there is ‘the falling away’ (rebellion) and the man of sin revealed first.

            Therefore the Rapture can occur at any time….and I contend, that it may not be instant that the ‘tribulation’ begins. This could involve a number of years coming to pass. Also, shows the exercise of looking for the antichrist is pointless, however, I do attempt to look for the system that promotes his arrival. Tis a worthy exercise to leave for others, especially our possible Jewish brothers and sisters. The antichrist is most likely already on the scene but the tribulation period is only triggered by the ‘seven year covenant’ made with many.

            As the worldly system for the antichrist to utilize is not currently in place – I believe the ‘covenant’ is at least several years away. However, our Rapture can be of anytime now…..then a ‘rebellion’ against God that leads to the antichrist confirming a covenant.

            Brilliant question brother….bless you immensely. Can’t wait. Maran OEata

          • Kiwiwatcher

            ps brother David: The Falling Away, I believe, not to be a gentle drifting away from God’s Holy Word as has been since the year dot, but an actual movement of rebellion against Christ. Not necessarily against God, but definitely against our Lord Jesus Christ, a denial and firm rejection of the Messiah, our Savior.

            In fact – the rebellious movement may even herald God, but deny the Son. As during the tribulation – people curse God, as though He has abandoned them after they have ‘paid homage’ to Him.

            Just some addition personal thoughts

  • char

    David Kaus, I just read your comment on who you think will be the A.C. If someone on TV would’ve said “I think the A.C. will be an apostate Jew turned Muslim” I would’ve thought “yeah, right”, but the way you have “researched” it and dug into the scriptures to realize this fact, (and probably some help from the Holy Spirit), I believe you are absolutely correct. Perry Stone, on his Manna-fest show has said that he thinks the A.C. will be a Muslim, but he didn’t say an apostate Jew. Thank you so much for this eye opener. I just hope it’s soon. I’m getting tired of hearing about all the horrible violence that the Muslims are doing to people everywhere and all the sin in the world and that it’s going to get worse. Plus, I’m sick of hearing about Donald Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Sanders and Hildabeast. I’m ready for some peace, THE PRINCE OF PEACE! God Bless!

    • David Kaus

      You’re welcome Char.

      Do a little research about Perry Stone, he is along the lines of the phony self proclaimed “prophet” Jonathan Cahn.

      There is so much information I left out about the anti Christ. For instance this Scripture that states that anti Christ will not regard the desire of women.

      Daniel 11: 37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

      There could be multiple meanings to this phrase. One being the fact that Muslim men for the most part treat their wives more like slaves, and commodities than human beings. Mohammad instructs Muslims to beat their wives, and gives loop holes in the Koran as to what constitutes a legal wife, and what doesn’t so that illegal wives can be kept without any violation of the Koran. A Muslim wife can be divorced in an instant simply by declaring her divorced. The natural desire for a help mate who is just as valuable a human being as the man is, and treated with respect and dignity is foreign to Islam.

      I’ll post some more information when I get a chance.

      God bless.

  • char

    Hey David K., you’re a busy little fella finding all these interesting facts, so the one I am referencing is about the hadith. So if this so called prophet is correct about the end time, where did he get his correct information. He certainly didn’t receive it from the Holy Spirit. Don’t the Muslims and the Middle East Jews look kind of alike anyway? Or am I stepping on the toes of the Jewish people by saying that? Not intended to hurt their feelings.

    • David Kaus

      Hello Char

      Many things are going on in the world today that have a connection to bible prophecy. The rhetoric coming out of Iran, Russia, Arab nations etc, in many cases have relevance to end time events. Now that is not to say that the Holy Spirit is inspiring what is coming out of their mouth of the leaders of these nations nor their representatives, nor that some are true prophets of God, nothing could be further from the truth. However they do connect to what prophetic Scripture tells us about end time events.

      What the Hadith gives reference to in what I posted above connects with a covenant anti Christ confirms with Israel for one week, or seven years. What I’m trying to search out here is some form of process that will determine a seven year covenant. As I said before this time frame isn’t just going to be pulled out a hat, there will be some rational behind it. So I found it very interesting that a reference is given to it in Islam, and their end time Mahdi and how long his reign was expected to be. Particularly so when Islam is so involved with the Temple mount, and what is going on in Israel today, and has been going on with all the modern day wars of Israel and the Arab nations, ie., 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, Lebanon, and all the intifadas.

      Well Netanyahu certainly doesn’t look like an Arab to me, nor do orthodox Jews…….minus the nose 🙂 but no doubt some do.

      • Kiwiwatcher

        Apology David, for inserting myself here. I have a MASSIVE apology to make in my next two lengthy comments regarding hadiths/islam.

        To Char – I lie prostrate and apology for misleading you – the word ‘christian’ should be substituted for the word ‘CATHOLIC’ in my two following comments.

        I hope few people were mislead by my glaring error.

        “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” Romans 3:23 – whew

        • David Kaus

          No problem whatsoever Kiwiwatcher

          All input is appreciated.

          He’s something I have to remin myself about at times, when perspective get out of whack in life, and in exposition of Scripture.

          Proverbs 24:16

          “For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again:

          Then:

          Isaiah 60:1

          “Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.”

          And:

          Isaiah 40:31

          “But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.”

          God bless, brother

        • David Kaus

          Kiwiwatcher

          If the exhortation didn’t work may I recommend a flagellation whip on sale from Leo X enterprises.com.

          • Kiwiwatcher

            Your familiarity has raised an eyebrow, and thank you brother.

            However, I have just returned from walking the streets having been tarred and feathered, then down to the river for several dunkings in a caged chair, much to everyone’s amusement

            Now, if only the plank from around my neck could be removed I could see the keeebored.

        • David Kaus

          Laughter doeth good like a medicine brother.

          • Skywatcher

            Good morning, Brother David, and all!

            In reference to your last post to me, David Kaus 29 March 2016 at 11:01 pm

            You said, **Skywatcher

            That People’s addition commentary is no doubt from this source:

            http://www.amazon.com/Peoples-Parallel-Bible-KJV-NLT/dp/1414307152

            The NLT is a corrupt revision.**

            Skywatcher

            Thank you, for the link, which I did check out, and I don’t believe there is a connection at all, as it is KJV and was published in 1900. This book is so old it has dinosaur tracks in the dust on the cover! 🙂

        • Skywatcher

          Hi there, Brother Kiwi! Excuse me for a moment, as I interrupt your conversation between David Kaus and yourself. I had to come to this post, to be able to get my question in.

          You said,

          “Regarding 2 Thess 2 brother David
          This section of Scripture tends to bring some color to the discussion with Christians, however, it is relatively simple.

          Paul instantly knew that the fake letter being circulated, reputed to be in his name, and was in gross in error, due to one simple but significant fact – and one that is often repeated today – the ‘day of Christ.’

          Most people interchange ‘day of Christ’ with ‘day of the Lord’ as was done in the fake letter. Paul was the only apostle to mention ‘day of Christ’ and every time – he meant the ‘Bema seat’ however, poorly scripted Christians overlook this fact, and consider it to be the same as the ‘day of the Lord.’ This is a massive error of understanding, even with much learned scholars of the Bible. If Paul meant ‘day of the Lord’ he would have said so, as the term was available to him. Meanwhile, day of Christ, was not available to any other ‘teacher’ of the Scriptures, only to Paul.

          “Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.” Phillipians 2:16

          Paul was looking forward to ‘rewards’ upon the ‘day of Christ,’ which was the ‘red flag’ in the letter being distributed in his name. The ‘day of Christ’ is an obvious moment of time (Bema seat) and Christians would never have to ask.

          My King James Bible 1967 edition has correctly changed it back to the ‘day of the Lord’ because that is the meaning behind the reference, and showed by Paul as he elaborates further down in the verses.”

          Here is my question: My KJV published in 1964, B.B. Kirkbride Bible Co., INC., Indianapolis, Indiana, says in reference to II Thess. 2: 2,

          “…that the day of Christ is at hand.”

          I have another OLD KJV here, that is so old that it doesn’t give a date of publishing, and it says the same thing.

          I have the “People’s Edition” Commentary, “The Life and Epistles of Saint Paul, by THE REV. W. J. CONYBEARE, M.A., Late Fellow of Trinity College, Cambridge

          and

          THE REV. J.S. HOWSON, D.D., Principal of the Collegiate Institution, Liverpool

          With

          A Preliminary Dissertation by THE REV. LEONARD BACON, D. D.
          Hartford, Conn.
          S.S. Scranton & Co. 1900

          In this HUGE volume, the text of II Thess. 2: 2 reads, “But concerning the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to meet Him, I beseech you, brethren, not rashly to be shaken from your soberness of mind, nor to be agitated either by spirit, or by rumor, or by letter attributed to me, saying that the day of the Lord is come.”

          My question to you is: Which one is correct? According to my eschatology text book, these are two separate programs in God’s prophetic calendar. If you’d like me to show you what it says about them, just let me know!

          Thanks, in advance!

          • Kiwiwatcher

            Excellent Skywatcher,

            The King James translators did not mistranslate their Greek text “Christos”
            Greek “kurios” – is Lord.

            2 Thessalonians has an estimated word-for-word accuracy of 98.4%, with 13 words in question throughout all manuscripts, and this verse does not fall within those confines.

            But I leave the discussion up to you – is the day of the Lord and the day of Christ – the same day?

            And – what context in the following verses did Paul put on ‘the day of ……??

          • David Kaus

            Skywatcher

            That People’s addition commentary is no doubt from this source:

            http://www.amazon.com/Peoples-Parallel-Bible-KJV-NLT/dp/1414307152

            The NLT is a corrupt revision.

    • Kiwiwatcher

      Any references Char to the Hadith must be taken with vast amounts of salt. Accepting Hadith as a factual account or a type of gospel, is akin to believing Hugh Hefner, Joseph Smith, Jorge Mario Bergoglio and Ellen G White are misunderstood prophets.

      In typical fashion satan has interwove the Scriptures through the Hadith, and other Islamic scripts in an effort to produce a counterfeit ‘religion’ and to confuse the True Church.

      The Scriptures, the Apocolic, epistles etc were available to Muhammad in the seventh century and influenced his actions, and the writings of his followers in forming the Islamic cult.
      (note; Muhammad is illiterate and relies on oral transmissions and scribes.)
      This killing the adulteress / adulterer or stoning them to death is NOT found anywhere in the Quran at all. About those who commit zina (adultery) the Quran says the following :

      [24.2] (As for) the fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them, (giving) a hundred stripes, and let not pity for them detain you in the matter of obedience to GOD, if you believe in GOD and the last day, and let a party of believers witness their chastisement.

      This is the Quranic law. But according to the Christian Bible and the false hadeeth created by the ulema, the adulterer and the adulteress must both be stoned to death or killed. Since the Bible came before the hadeeth, we now know that the false hadeeth about stoning people to death is stolen from the Christian Bible.

      According to Muhammad’s companions, a verse that did exist at one time ordering that adulterers be stoned, but it was forgotten.
      However, it has never stopped the ‘islamic campanions’ from cherry-picking the Scriptures to create a version (via hadiths) that has religious appeal.

      Narrated Ibn ‘Umar:
      A Jew and a Jewess were brought to Allah’s Apostle on a charge of committing an illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet asked them. “What is the legal punishment (for this sin) in your Book (Torah)?” They replied, “Our priests have innovated the punishment of blackening the faces with charcoal and Tajbiya.” ‘Abdullah bin Salam said, “O Allah’s Apostle, tell them to bring the Torah.” The Torah was brought, and then one of the Jews put his hand over the Divine Verse of the Rajam (stoning to death) and started reading what preceded and what followed it. On that, Ibn Salam said to the Jew, “Lift up your hand.” Behold! The Divine Verse of the Rajam was under his hand. So Allah’s Apostle ordered that the two (sinners) be stoned to death, and so they were stoned. Ibn ‘Umar added: So both of them were stoned at the Balat and I saw the Jew sheltering the Jewess. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 82, Number 809)
      Narrated Abdullah bin Umar:
      The Jews came to Allah’s Apostle and mentioned to him that a man and a lady among them had committed illegal sexual intercourse. Allah’s Apostle said to them, “What do you find in the Torah regarding the Rajam?” They replied, “We only disgrace and flog them with stripes.” ‘Abdullah bin Salam said to them, “You have told a lie the penalty of Rajam is in the Torah.” They brought the Torah and opened it. One of them put his hand over the verse of the Rajam and read what was before and after it. Abdullah bin Salam said to him, “Lift up your hand.” Where he lifted it there appeared the verse of the Rajam. So they said, “O Muhammad! He has said the truth, the verse of the Rajam is in it (Torah).” Then Allah’s Apostle ordered that the two persons (guilty of illegal sexual intercourse) be stoned to death, and so they were stoned, and I saw the man bending over the woman so as to protect her from the stones. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 82, Number 825)

      The above demonstrates that Hadiths have refocused or re-interpreteted the Quaran to adopt lawful principals from the Torah.
      The head covering for women (hijaab) that is practiced by the Sunnis and Shiahs is an idea that is stolen from the Christian Bible. This hijaab idea is NOT Islamic and it is definitely not from the Quran and the Prophet.

      A lot of the Shariah Laws in the Sharia system of the Sunnis is plagiarized from the Christian Bible. It is NOT from Islam or the Quran which was taught by the Prophet. The Sunni beliefs like the punishment of death for the apostates is also an evil idea stolen from the Christian Bible.
      Where does this Sunni idea as well as the word ‘aqeedah’ (binding faith) come from ? It comes from the Christian Bible, in this case the Hebrew language Bible. It is NOT found in the Quran. Aqeedah is also a Hebrew word.
      The Oxford Companion to the Bible talks about ‘aqeedah’ on page 43.
      “Aqedah: The Hebrew word for ‘binding’, and the common designation for Genesis 22:1 – 19 in which GOD tests Abraham by commanding that he sacrifice his son Isaac. Abraham “binds” Isaac (verse 9).”
      “The New Testament refers to the aqedah not as an example of a redemptive sacrificial death but rather as an example of “FAITH”. See the following verses:
      [Jas 2:21] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
      [Heb 11:17] By FAITH Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was ready to offer up his only son,
      [Rom 4:16] That is why it depends on FAITH, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his descendants– not only to the adherents of the law but also to those who share the faith of Abraham, for he is the father of us all,”
      The Oxford Companion to the Bible also says that “From antiquity the AQEDAH has been portrayed in the arts. For example it appears on a wall painting of the third century CE SYNAGOGUE at Dura-Europos and on a floor mosaic of the sixth century SYNAGOGUE at Beth Alpha.”

      Long before any Sunni thought of ‘aqeedah’ as ‘the firm creed that one’s heart is fixed upon’ the Jews and Christians had already drawn paintings and illustrations about aqeedah or ‘binding faith’ in the Third Century and the Sixth Century.

      The Islamic prophet is believed to have existed around the Seventh century. The cult or madhab of Ahlul Sunnah did not come into existence until about the Tenth century. The Sunni ideas about aqeedah were not written down until later. So the Christians had a seven hundred year head start talking about ‘aqeedah’.

      Again the Bible is the real source of the ‘aqeedah’ or religious creed of the Ahlul Sunnah and Shiah. They have plagiarized their religious creed from the Christian Bible. There is not one thing they do which is from the Quran. The Ahlul Sunnah and Shiah were actually ‘christians’ writing hadiths.

      There is ample more information Char, but just wanted to see you in the right direction. Short version – Quran and hadiths include corrupted passages from the Scriptures.

      Yesterday – hot off the press
      Egyptian lawmakers are set to vote on banning women from wearing a full-face Islamic veil. Parliament is drafting a law which will prohibit women from wearing the niqab in public places and government institutions.

      Member of Parliament Amna Nosseir, also a professor of comparative jurisprudence, said the full-face veil is neither an Islamic tradition, not required in the Quran, the Independent reports.
      Dr. Nosseir, a former dean of Al-Azhar University and a member of Egypt’s Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs, said the niqab is a a Jewish tradition, not Muslim.

      Blessings

      • Skywatcher

        Good morning, Kiwiwatcher!

        That was a wonderfully enlightening post! In it, you said, “Yesterday – hot off the press
        Egyptian lawmakers are set to vote on banning women from wearing a full-face Islamic veil. Parliament is drafting a law which will prohibit women from wearing the niqab in public places and government institutions.
        Member of Parliament Amna Nosseir, also a professor of comparative jurisprudence, said the full-face veil is neither an Islamic tradition, not required in the Quran, the Independent reports.
        Dr. Nosseir, a former dean of Al-Azhar University and a member of Egypt’s Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs, said the niqab is a a Jewish tradition, not Muslim.”

        Wait and see…it’ll probably take us another 400 or so years to convince the West of these truths! We are just now beginning to adopt these pagan practices, while the Middle East is exposing them to be legalism, and not of necessity! 🙂

        Have a blessed day!

      • Skywatcher

        Kiwiwatcher, are you also having issues with your “Reply” button? I cannot reply directly to your post, so I’ve copied your last post to me, and will address it,

        Kiwiwatcher
        29 March 2016 at 8:41 pm

        Excellent Skywatcher,

        The King James translators did not mistranslate their Greek text “Christos”
        Greek “kurios” – is Lord.

        2 Thessalonians has an estimated word-for-word accuracy of 98.4%, with 13 words in question throughout all manuscripts, and this verse does not fall within those confines.

        But I leave the discussion up to you – is the day of the Lord and the day of Christ – the same day?

        And – what context in the following verses did Paul put on ‘the day of ……??

        The issue I have, is that I have two KJV’s and both are saying two different things for that passage. So here’s what my “ancient” textbook has to say,

        “The term Day of the Lord occurs in the following passages: Isa. 2: 12; 13: 6, 9; Eze. 13: 5; 30: 3; Joel 1: 15; 2: 1, 11, 31; 3: 14; Amos 5: 18 (twice), 20; Obad. 15; Zeph. 1: 7, 14 (twice); Zech. 14: 1; Mal. 4: 5; Acts 2: 20; I Thess. 5: 2; 2 Thess. 2: 2; 2 Pet. 3: 10. In addition, the phrase ‘that day or the day or the great day’ occurs more than seventy-five times in the Old Testament. The frequency with which it occurs will evidence its importance in the prophetic Scriptures. These passages reveal that the idea of judgment is paramount in all of them. This is so clearly brought out in Zeph. 1: 14-18. This judgment includes not only the specific judgments upon Israel and the nations at the end of the tribulation that are associated with the second advent, but, from a consideration of the passages themselves, includes judgments that extend over a period of time prior to the second advent. Thus, it is concluded that the Day of the Lord will include the time of the tribulation. Zechariah 14: 1-4 makes it clear that the events of the second advent are included in the program of the day of the Lord. 2 Peter 3: 10 gives authority for including the entire millennial age within this period. If the day of the Lord did not begin until the second advent, since that event is preceded by signs, the Day of the Lord could not come as a “thief in the night”, unexpected, and unheralded, as it is said it will come in I Thess. 5: 2. The only way this day could break unexpectedly upon the world is to have it begin immediately after the rapture of the church. It is thus concluded that the Day of the Lord is that extended period of time beginning with God’s dealing with Israel after the rapture at the beginning of the tribulation period and extending through the second advent and the millennial age unto the creation of the new heavens and new earth after the millennium.”

        “Things To Come, J. Dwight Pentecost, Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1977, p. 230. Due to the lateness of the hour, 11:04 p.m., I gave abbrev’s for the Scriptural refs.

        “The Day of Christ. A closely related term, which has brought confusion into the minds of some, is the term **Day of Christ. Scofield says,

        ‘The expression day of Christ,’ occurs in the following passages: I Cor. 1: 8; 5: 5; 2 Cor. 1: 14; Phil. 1: 6, 10; 2: 16. Authorized Version has day of Christ, 2 Thess. 2: 2, incorrectly, for “day of the Lord” (Isa. 2: 12; Rev. 19: 11-21). The day of Christ relates wholly to the reward and blessing of saints at His coming, as day of the Lord is connected with judgment.”

        Scroggie writes:

        ‘It would appear that this event, which is frequently referred to as the day of Christ, must be distinguished from the Day of the Lord of I Thess. 5: 2; 2 Thess. 2: 2 Revised Version. The latter expression comes from the Old Testament, and relates to Christ’s universal kingdom; but the former expression is found in the New Testament only, and relates to His advent for the church.’ Graham Scroggie, The Lord’s Return, pp. 53-54.

        “It thus appears that two separate programs are in view when these two expressions are used although not two separate time areas. They can not be made to refer to the same event. In each case in which Day of Christ is used it is used specifically in reference to the expectation of the church, her translation, glorification, and examination for reward.

        The word day as used in Scripture is not necessarily a time word, but may be used for the events which fall within any period. Paul so uses it in 2 Cor. 6: 2, when he speaks of the day of salvation. Some, failing to see this, have felt that because Scripture mentions the Day of the Lord and the Day of Christ these two must come at two different periods of time, usually saying that the Day of Christ refers to events related to the second advent and the millennium to follow. Certainly two different programs are in view in these two days, but they may fall within the same time area. Thus the two days may have the same beginning, even though two different programs are in view. It may be that in I Cor. 1: 8 reference is made to the day of the Lord Jesus Christ to show that He is related to both of these days, being both ‘Lord and Christ’ (Acts 2: 36).” Ibid., pp. 231, 232.

        Wow! It only took me 13 minutes to type this! I used the bolding feature to highlight what was in italics in the book, or because I cannot remember how one is to show a quote within a quote…within a quote! Sorry!

        I hope this helps a little more in our understanding of these terms! God bless!

        • Skywatcher

          Oops! My reply begins with, “The issue I have, is that I have two KJV’s and both are saying two different things for that passage. So here’s what my “ancient” textbook has to say…”

        • Kiwiwatcher

          Skywatcher – There were several points of view included in your research.

          What is your belief?

          What is the meaning ‘day of the Lord’ and the ‘day of Christ’ – to you?

          What context did Paul put on ‘the day of ……??’ in 2 Thess 2:2

          Bless you

          • Skywatcher

            Hey there, Brother Kiwi! Please don’t think I’m stalling for time, I’m not. I promise you, I’ll get back to you tomorrow. This old head is shuttin’ down, and soon I’ll be hittin’ the hay. Got to arise at 4 a.m. Lord, willing, I’ll give you my two beavers on this tomorrow! God bless you!

  • Char

    Kiwiwatcher, wow, looks like you’re an expert on the subject of Islam. Also looks like they are sort of copy cats. Too bad they didn’t understand what they are taking from our Christian beliefs and follow it in a Christian behavior. Thank you so much for this long, time consuming comment. I hope they ban those things on their faces. We will be able to see what they look like (when they get here). I know there are plenty that are already here. I saw one in full garb at the mall. It was kinda scary cuz you never hear anything good about them. I know there are some that are not demonic and evil, as in wanting to kill. They work at our Walmart pharmacy and cashiering too. In fact, it’s kinda not fair. There’s so many Americans out of work and here they are with the jobs, but we know that story.

    • Kiwiwatcher

      You are too kind by far Char. Bless you. Very much the ‘islamic borrowers,’ but unfortunately they missed the critical passages of Scriptures in assembling their ‘1001 mythical stories of arabian nights.’

      My belief is that if the muslims are keen on returning to ‘ancient law’ etc – then what are they doing residing in modern towns and cities, driving polluting vehicles, using evil electricity and running water. When they would be much better off, tending date plantations surrounding an oasis in the desert, whilst breeding flea infested camels, assembling rugs and residing in tents – as in the good ole days.

      Islam is essentially a patchwork of scribblings borrowed from Judaism and Christianity, with an influence from Magians (Zoroastrians), the Armenians and the Hindus.
      The quran was compiled, composed, inspired and written by a number of people other than the illiterate camel driver muhammad.

      Notable inclusions are
      Imrul Qays—an ancient poet of Arabia who died a few decades before Muhammad’s birth

      Zayd b. Amr b. Naufal—an ‘apostate’ of his time who preached and propagated Hanifism

      Labid—another poet

      Hasan b. Thabit—the official poet of Muhammad

      Salman, the Persian—Muhammad’s confidante’ and an advisor

      Bahira—a Nestoraian Christian monk of the Syrian church

      Jabr—a Christian neighbour of Muhammad

      Ibn Qumta—a Christian slave

      Khadijah—Muhammad’s first wife

      Waraqa—Khadijah’s cousin brother

      Ubay b. Ka’b—Muhammad’s secretary and a Qur’an scribe

      Other parties were involved too:
      The Sabeans

      Aisha—Muhammad’s child bride

      Abdallah b. Salam b. al-Harith—a Jewish convert to Islam

      Mukhyariq—a Rabbi and another Jewish convert to Islam

      Does this Hadith Narrated AbudDarda, appear familiar.
      “I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) say: If any of you is suffering from anything or his brother is suffering, he should say:
      1 Our Lord is Allah Who is in the heaven,
      2 holy is Thy name,
      3 Thy command reigns supreme in the heaven and the earth,
      4 as Thy mercy in the heaven,
      5 make Thy mercy in the earth;
      6 forgive us our sins, and our errors;
      7 Thou art the Lord of good men;
      8 send down mercy from Thy mercy, and remedy, and remedy from Thy remedy on this pain so that it is healed up.”
      (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 28, Number 3883)

      Compare the above to
      1 “After this manner therefore pray ye:
      2 Our Father which art in heaven,
      3 Hallowed be thy name.
      4 Thy kingdom come,
      5 Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
      6 Give us this day our daily bread.
      7 And forgive us our debts,
      8 as we forgive our debtors.
      9 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:
      10 For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.”
      Matthew 6:9-13

      Narrated Abu Huraira:
      The Prophet said, “ALLAH SAID, ‘I have prepared for My righteous slaves (such excellent things)
      as no eye has ever seen, nor an ear has ever heard nor a human heart can ever think of.’”
      (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 589)

      Compared with
      However, as it is written:
      “No eye has seen,
      no ear has heard,
      no mind has conceived
      what God has prepared for those who love him.” (1 Corinthians 2:9)

      Narrated AbuUmamah
      Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said, “Blessed is he who has seen me, but seven times blessed is he who has not seen me but has believed in me.”
      Ahmad transmitted it. (Number 1688; taken from the ALIM CD-ROM Version)

      Compare with
      “Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’” John 20:29

      Maran OEata

    • Skywatcher

      Char, please don’t be fooled by the Muslims that appear to be peaceful. Unless they’ve converted to Christ, they are peaceful, subversive breeders for the cause! Their goal is to help out with Jihad biologically…with sheer numbers as they outnumber the populace in which they reside. Furthermore, one cannot convert others to Islam if they’re going to be outright nasty and “in your face”! One only needs to go online and listen to some of the American Muslim clerics speaking, saying there, is “no such thing as a peaceful Muslim! If you are, you’re not Muslim!”

      As Kiwiwatcher and David Kaus have eloquently stated, they know enough about our Scriptures as to how they should act to win converts.

  • CHAR

    Kiwiwatcher, while the Egyptians are supposedly trying to change the law, they need to throw in that raping women should also be against their law because it’s against ours, but in Germany I guess they think it’s okay. They’re just good ole boys out for a night of fun. When you act like wild animals you should be in cages.

  • CHAR

    Good morning Skywatcher, Yes, I’m aware that they ALL have the same beliefs even though they seem very docile, but they too have to be nice as employees of these stores or they will get fired. So we are cordial to them and they are to us, but get them outside with a few rocks and wow, look at ’em hurl. I don’t see as many men with the turbans on as I used to, but the women still wear the scarf over their heads even at their jobs. As I was reading Kiwiwatchers info on their Quran, it sounds like Satan sat down one day many years ago and wrote the Quran to sound pretty much like our Word, except for the violence in it. I can’t imagine Americans turning Islamic. How stupid they are to do that, but when the enemy gets a hold of you, there’s no stopping him. Have a nice day all of you!

  • char

    Kiwiwatcher, Oh my, that is a big difference, but as long as a person fesses up and apologizes for their error, no problem. A good steak dinner should call us even. lol

    So I will reread it because now it will have a different meaning. God Bless!

    • Skywatcher

      Char, I’m in with ya on that one! I couldn’t see how certain parts weren’t making sense to me. I just didn’t get time to ask the question if I was missing something. Apology accepted Kiwi! 🙂

  • David Kaus

    Skywatcher

    I see the weather man is reporting storms heading your way with much thunder, and lightening.

    Glad to see you wearing your rain coat and hat and using an umbrella to ward off hail stones.

    I’ll check back later to see if you have weathered the storm.

    • Skywatcher

      Good afternoon, Bro! Thank you, for that weather update! I’ve been too busy this morning to have time to check the weather. I figure it’ll be something with or without me! 🙂 I must have an imposter out there! I’m not wearing or doing any of those things you’ve “seen” me doing! I shall have to get Pistol Peter to get his posse out there, and to remedy this sitiation! It’s just overcast here, and I have all my outside work done. It’s too warm to be gathering ice worms; they’ve all melted!

      God bless you,and I look forward to your checking back on me later!

      • David Kaus

        Pistol Pete could have given you a good interpretation of my “weather” post Skywatcher. The weather had to do with a recent posting exchange you had with a storm cloud. 🙂

        • Skywatcher

          Ohhhh my! Bro. David, I’m still laughing!!! I did not see that coming! Yes, there was some turbulence in my otherwise clear sky but I survived the worst of it! The hail was quite something else, but no damage done in my sector.

          It’s so much better when the brethren can dwell together in unity, and love on each other with the love of Christ. Next time, I’ll be asking Pistol Pete for his interpretation! Thanks, for the HUGE laugh! Priceless!

          • David Kaus

            It was a bit of meddling on my part Skywatcher, but I put my rain coat, and hat on before posting and had my umbrella handy. 🙂

  • David Kaus
    • Skywatcher

      Brother David, you said, “It was a bit of meddling on my part Skywatcher, but I put my rain coat, and hat on before posting and had my umbrella handy.” 🙂

      I’m still hearing some rumbles from the other direction; I don’t know if it’s thunder or a bad build up of spiritual flatulence! I’m in a warm, and dry sunny place and tend to stay there! 🙂

      I trust you had a great day! I’m just now catching up, whilst I chow down! Blessings, Bro!

      • David Kaus

        Had a chance to visit the organic farm today brother Skywatcher and pick up some veggies, and grass fed beef. I ran into a brother out there that’s into doing some organic farming of his own. Due to our moderate winter he is going to start some planting next week.

        Don’t let go of that unbrella 🙂

        • Skywatcher

          Wow, Bro! Are you being serious about the planting next week part, or do I need to wait upon Pistol Peter to interpret? 🙂 I wonder where he is lately? He must be on some other post; there have been a lot of them lately. Too many for me to put my umbrella down long enough to deal with. 🙂

          • David Kaus

            Skywatcher…….alias umbrella man !……….hummmmmmm where were you in 1963 ?

            He will be planting some selected crops that can take the early planting, but still it is an early planting in this area by any standard.

  • David Kaus
    • Skywatcher

      David, you asked, “Skywatcher…….alias umbrella man !……….hummmmmmm where were you in 1963 ?”

      I was busy learning survival skills as a terrified 4 yr. old, getting the snot beat out of me by an abusive alcoholic father. Crops weren’t a huge priority for me at that time. 🙂 God is good! I survived, and I learned to leave the poisoned mess alone! Since then, I’ve been able to use an umbrella quite well, especially the sharp pointy end! 🙂

      • David Kaus

        The sad tale of abusive parents is a common one I’m sorry to say Skywatcher. So many parents are simply not qualified to raise children, and that is just as true in Christian circles today as in the secular world. Some Christian parents don’t even have a clue about being loving, nurturing, and Christ honoring parents.

        Glad to see you survived brother.

        God Bless

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  • David Kaus

    Kiwiwatcher, in reference to “29 March 2016 at 4:26 pm” above brother.

    I’m in email/phone contact with Dr. D.A. Waite of Bible for today out of N.J. He is the current president of the Dean Burgon society, defenders of the KJV, of which you are no doubt familiar, and has a bible Church out of his home. He is fluent in Greek and Hebrew, has been for years about 50 years, and teaches both languages. I’ve asked him about the flopping around in 2 Thess 2 you spoke of, ie “day of Christ” vs “day of the Lord.” Now if I understood you correctly a change has been made using these terms in some KJV bibles in verse 2 of 2 Thess, and a 1967 edition in your possession has “day of the Lord.” That certainly would change a lot of things with respect to the timing of the translation/rapture of the saints, and its relationship to the tribulation.

    Would you give me the publication source of the 1967 KJV that has “day of the Lord,” so I can pass it on to Dr. Waite for his information.

    In addition I have this article:

    https://forwhatsaiththescriptures.wordpress.com/2014/09/09/king-james-term-christ-lord-2-thessalonians-2-2/

    • Kiwiwatcher

      Now I have to ask you brother David for your thoughts on Paul replying to the Thessalonians?

      • David Kaus

        Are you sure you are not a politician brother Kiwiwatcher ? 🙂

        The initial question to you was part of a gathering of information on the topic of pre trib, mid trib, post trib I’m going through because of a commentary recently reviewed. So let me gather my thoughts on that and get back to you about it.

        My position is pre trib. That being stated then consider how you would see 2 Thess 2 verses a mid trip position ? Terminology here would of course makes a big difference. It seems clear that “the day of Christ,” is the correct terminology.

        In addition I question immanency through out the history of the Church in this respect. 2 Thess was written before 70 A.D and the expectation of Paul and the Church was that Christ would come back in their life time. I believe that we have to look at some Scripture in its historical context as much as in its Scriptural context.

        Jesus Christ told the Apostles that it was not for them to know the time and the seasons that the Father had put in His own power.

        Acts 1:7

        “And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.”

        Even though all Scripture was given by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, we know that the prophets of old desired to look into the things they had prophesied. The New Testament writers were much of the same mind concerning certain things, ie going to the Gentiles with the Gospel. I believe it took seven years before Peter went reluctantly to Cornelius’s house. And of course he had to rehearse what he had done and give an account of himself to the apostles at Jerusalem.

        Certainly God has known that the Church age would extent up to and including Israel’s return to the land. He has also known when the last Gentile would come to faith to complete the body of Christ. So how is it that He would give a false expectation to those years back that He would be coming at any moment, except to those before 70 A.D ??? That would be a false expectation.

        Now to have a hope to see Christ one day and be gathered unto Him is a valid hope for all the Church age. It seems that Paul and the Church had a hope of Christ return in their time because it was still valid at the time of 2 Thess due to the fact that God was still holding His Hand out to the Jews in longsuffering till 70 A.D. After that the 70th week was extended till the gathering of the Gentiles completed the body of Christ, as God had turned to them, and rejected the Jews (but not to their fall/complete rejection).

        Immanency fails the test of time because the Body of Christ can not be taken up till God has taken out from the Gentiles a people for His Name, and that we know now in our time is coming to a completion because of the return of the nation of Israel.

        Concerning “no man knoweth the day nor the hour.” Note the definite article used to describe day and hour. So a specific day and hour is in mind. A little insight into this mind set can be gleaned from the Feast of Trumpets. Briefly two witness would have to determine around evening time if the moon was a new moon or not. No one knew for certain except God if that evening would exhibit a new moon or not till that hour came when the moon revealed its condition to the two witnesses. If they saw a white edge to the moon the Feast of Trumpets could not start that night, and they had to repeat the process the next evening.

        God Bless

        • Kiwiwatcher

          Brother David, obviously
          “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” Isaiah 55:9
          “Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.” Proverbs 3:5-6

          But what is interesting to me, is that some people are given more spiritual knowledge than others.
          “Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.” Amos 3:7, so I am always on the look out.
          Meanwhile, I am a complete novice, still grafting at the coal face. What I find as a blessing – is that my study of the Scriptures is very much a yearning. I actually hunger to do so, and will leave ‘functions’ early just so I can read the Bible or view something Scriptural on a screen that has been plaguing my mind.

          Imminence is not a topic that I have given much thought at all, but have totally been aware of Christ’s impeding return in the New Testament. Therefore I shall put the topic on my ‘soon’ to do list. Off the top of my head, it may have something to do with the theological discussion involving the ‘free will of man’ and “…God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.” 1 John 3.20

          Regarding the Rapture – my pretrib thoughts are encased in granite, and I never contaminate them with any other considerations. Over the years I have been a reasonable student of the written word and have developed several principals which hold me in good stead. My journey in poring over ‘scripts/documents has lead to ‘discovering’ a previously ‘lost’ town of history, and locating and returning nationally acclaimed artworks to their rightful owners.
          However, I also believe that God gives ‘abilities or opportunities’ only for a SEASON. (Tis a great word – Scripture has bestowed importance on timing) Notice how men are considered ‘Godly’ for a period, develop a following, before departing from their sound ways. We know many, and my season of discerning the written word may also have past.

          Nevertheless, in past secular studies, I tend to use two points of a good independent or cross reference to claim a ‘sound’ thought, and if obtaining three points of good independent or cross reference – I am in possession of ‘an absolute’ fact.

          In the Old Testament Moses wrote of Enoch, who is a picture or type of the True Church being Raptured prior to the wicked days of when Noah lived. Noah and family represent the Jewish remnant protected during a period of trouble.

          Of the Gospels – Matthew wrote of Jesus himself, referring to the days of Noah – confirming the picture or type, of which Enoch is absent.

          In the Age of Grace – Paul produced in 2 Thessalonians 2, – the Rapture timeline

          Post temple with prophetic vision – John depicted another representation of the Rapture in Rev 4:1

          As well as various other Scriptures which are supportive. Praise the Lord brother David, we not have to study any other options or opinions, as the evidence is overwhelming.

          • David Kaus

            Hello Brother Kiwiwatcher

            Your dedication to studying the Word of God is very evident. With that has come your discernment. Bank tellers handle good money all day long, and when a counterfeit bill comes along they can discern it. So it is with Scripture the more one is dedicated to it daily, daily, daily, the more discernment is gained. Too many people add a little impurity to the water they drink daily, and loose any benefit the clear water might have been to them. Discernment isn’t lost with time, for those dedicated to God’s Word like Daniel.

            A little knowledge puffeth up. Isn’t that true. Some of the most outspoken on Scripture spend very little time in it, indulge in every other activity, or are just beginning to study. The hard facts are that the more one studies the more one realixes how little one knows !!!

            “My journey in poring over ‘scripts/documents has lead to ‘discovering’ a previously ‘lost’ town of history, and locating and returning nationally acclaimed artworks to their rightful owners.”

            Incredible, where was this lost town located ? I believe I just read about a some what similar situation in the Middle East.

            In viewing other sources on Scripture or listening to speakers etc, it all has to line up with Scripture. If something isn’t right it isn’t going to work no matter who has the shoe horn. Even some good sources, that are sincere, are sincerely wrong at times. It simple amazes me when some one, or some ministry uses corrupt revisions. And then tries to describe those revision as the work of scholarly men. Chuck Missler is one such individual, but that doesn’t surprise me.

            Where good men fail often is when the start making of themselves a reputation. Pride goeth therefore forth and down the drain they go.

            I got engrossed in a two year study of 1 Corinthians 12,13,and 14 not long back because of my direct dealing with a Church that started to manifest some ecstatic utterances from certain individuals. There was a purpose for that gift in its time to the unbelieving Jews. When 70 A.D came the faucet started closing on that gift. Direct encounters with people under the influence of that ecstatic tongues spirit has proven that they can not testify to the Blood Atonement of Jesus Christ. It is a thing to behold.

            The stack of articles in doing that study is about two feet high, plus videos, etc. Every Scripture verse had to be defined, and fitted perfectly. If things didn’t fit no hammer came out to make them fit. The study went on till bingo, that’s it. One verse in particular lay there for a long time. Two options lay before me. One finally held the weight of Scripture, and commentary enough for me to have full confidence in it.

            You never know when you will find some thing you’ve been looking for. Often it comes when least expected. If I told you what Scripture verse stumped me for a long time you would fall over laughing. What I find is that if you lock on to a wrong perspective of a particular Scripture you will never find or see the answer.

            That insight was seen dramatically when a riddle was told to an individual at work one time. He was a math major doing summer work. I could see his mind took him in a direction that would never lead to the solution. While I left him pondering the answer for a couple of days, I happened upon Joe nobody from east bumkinville. He gave me the answer in about 30 seconds. I went back to the math major and presented Joe to him and telling him know, much to his anguish, how long it took Joe to solve the riddle. Then I really messed with the math major’s mind by giving him a clue to the solution of the riddle. I told him that the answer lies in seeing how 2 + 2 equals “3.” Well as expected that really blew him mind, or what was left of it. I finally had to tell him the answer to save his sanity.

            God bless brother

          • Kiwiwatcher

            Bless you brother David. Thank you for the encouragement, and your wonderful description of discernment. So true. Cloudy water may still be water, but we seek the sparkling fresh variety, full of life from the flowing stream.

            The speed at which Spiritual conclusions are drawn today, or how much is swallowed from the ‘fountain of a man’ is a reminder of
            “And the number of them that lapped, putting their hand to their mouth, were three hundred: but all the rest of the people bowed down upon their knees to drink water.” Judges 7:6

            Your wonderful assessment of studious activity upon the Scriptures is quite correct in defining it as discipline. In the great scheme of things the ‘lost’ town is a minor part, as I hoping to convey that the necessary skills of wholesome study can actually be achieved. You agree and have replied in like-manner with 1 Corinthians study and the mathematician’s research. Both scenarios you present – I can appreciate.

            I had included Chuck (bless him) as an example of having a ‘season’ and travelling too far outside the Biblical framework, but had deleted that particular paragraph. Intriguing to see him in your response. Great minds…..

            Rather interesting that most similar teachers appear to ‘cover themselves’ by stating “don’t believe me – carry out your own study.” Odd statement when they are presented as a ‘teacher.’ Almost as if they don’t have faith in their own conclusions. Johnathan Cahn also springs to mind as a typical cherry picker, double speaking, user of corrupted historical conclusions with scripture flair and splashes of covenant promises, who crosses the dispensations of Old and New Testaments with wild abandon.

            A story if I may:
            Upper class Joseph ben Matityahu was born 37AD in Judea, and became a wealthy Jewish priest. Massive Roman taxes on the Jews had decreased business incentives, increased poverty, and unemployment was rife. Religious persecution by the occupiers had turned the Judean province into a tinderbox. Total population of the region was about 750,000 of which 65% were Jews.
            The Jewish revolt began in 66AD when a urine pot was emptied outside a Caesarea synagogue – defiling the holy area. The Jews rioted, and the occupying Roman governor Florus responded by ordering Jews in the marketplace to be killed on sight. This led to a general Jewish revolt throughout the Judean province, which forced Roman general Flavius Vespasian to deploy significant troops. Priestly Joseph gathered up his robe to become a rebel leader in Galilee, and held the city of Jotapata. After a siege of 47 days the Romans breached the walls, and began slaughtering the inhabitants. About 40 rebels and Joseph hid in a cave within the city as the mayhem erupted outside. A rebel in the cave suggested that death was preferred over surrender, and Joseph reminded the gathered men that suicide was prohibited by Jewish law. ‘Best that a ballot process select several rebels to kill the others, and the one who remained would then kill himself.’ Joseph organized the drawing of straws, – lo and behold – Joseph was the last man standing. He surrendered and was imprisoned by the Romans.
            However, emperor Nero died in 68AD and Vespasian returned to Rome with an army to take the throne. His son Titus was put in charge of finishing the Judean rebellion. Jerusalem usually had a stable population of about 60,000 which could increase to about 120,000 during festival periods. The capital city became the main focus after two successful years of waging war in the Judean province. In March/April of 70AD additional troops, and siege machines began arriving to set up camp surrounding Jerusalem. This period provided the last opportunity for the sane Jews to leave. When all preparations were in place, the attack on the city began in earnest on May 10. Defending the city was a combined rebel fighting force of 23,000 hardcore Jewish troops plus auxiliaries, totalling 65,000. Unfortunately, the Jews were in constant conflict with each other but fought well against the 60,000 well drilled Roman troops. The city fell in August after battling for three months.
            Insert: After being captured Joseph ben Matityahu appeared before the ‘then Roman general Vespasian’. In an act of self-preservation after being imprisoned, Josephus concocted a tale dripping with scriptural references, to predict that a world leader would soon be revealed – and believe it or not – Flavius Vespasian was that man. Vespasian was jubilant and upon Nero’s death, took some of the army back to Rome to gain the empire’s throne. Joseph was granted Roman citizenship, was adopted into the Roman Flavian family, changed his name to Titus Flavius Josephus and served as advisor and friend of the son Titus, who continued the Jewish campaign.
            After the Jewish war Josephus penned several historical accounts in Greek. This is the same gentleman quoted verbatim today as though he wrote the Scriptures. Sadly, Chuck and his colleague Bob Cornuke have slightly altered their Biblical perspective by being devote members of his fan club. An internet search on the number of Jews killed during the 70AD Jewish War, and about three or four pages consistently state that according to Josephus, 1.1 million Jews were killed and 97,000 were taken into captivity – and a significant number of the sites are of Biblical standing and promote Christianity. The art of discernment in the modern age is fading fast brother David.
            What is slightly interesting brother David, is that scholars have matched Josephus Scriptural weave as coming from the Book of Luke. Possibly the gospel account held by the priestly class. Have included an example.
            “About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared.”
            – Jewish Antiquities, 18.3.3 §63
            Which would explain why the Christian Jews reacted as they did during Jewish War – in regard to the subtle differences between Matthew 24:15-20 and Luke 21:20-24. This also shows that when John wrote Revelations 95AD and mentioned ‘beast’ and ‘whore-harlot,’ the Jews had already identified Rome as the most likely candidate and potential fulfilment, which makes John’s comment “MYSTERY” – very intriguing. Roman historian and religious scholar Tacitus declared that following the Jewish War – a man (Messiah) would become governor of the habitable world. Josephus dismissed the notion, claiming that only Vespasian would be governor of the known world, by conquering it.
            Rather long winded, but could be helpful, as there are few historians, Biblical scholars, who are Born-Again Christians, that are producing any scripts in these closing stages. ‘copy and paste’ is the trend unfortunately.
            You and I have previously discussed the matter, and remain ever watchful.
            Many blessings brother David. Maran OEata

          • David Kaus

            You welcome brother Kiwiwatcher.

            Are you part of the Monuments Men organization ? I see Clooney did a film about them during WW2. Awhile back I saw a video on that topic.

            In doing research often the source of the information’s credibility is not known. You go down a rabbit hole only to find yourself trying to untangle a mess afterwords. The constant study of Scripture though untangles the mess. When something doesn’t connect with Scripture it’s tossed. In doubtful circumstances I find it best to let it sit, sooner or later the answer arrives. Excursions into the unknown prove to be benificail in that you can refute them more successfully when they come up.

            In reference to Missler and his “do your own study” after a teaching on Scripture. Wouldn’t it be nice if this Scripture was followed:

            1 Peter 4:11

            “If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.”

            I did a little study on Josephus, and remember the cave incident where he schemed to survive at the expense of his fellow Jews. And I remember his relating of “prophecy” to Vespasian. Using his “historical” account of 70 A.D is another case of being duped by some one you believe is telling you the truth. Sooner or later you get conflicting accounts, and then have to decide who is telling the truth.

            The reason for the 1 Corinthians study was to set in my mind a carefully Scriptural exposition of every verse in chapters 12,13, and 14. I had no doubt as to the deception and occult connection of ecstatic tongues. I was part of such a church in the early 80’s, but was not over taken by any of the ecstatic deceptions. After all the work I found out that no matter what Scripture is used to try to bring some one out of that bondage they will simply dismiss it out of hand, and go with anything, no matter how ridiculous, nor how much twisting of Scripture they have to do, to “prove” they have a biblical stance for what they are doing. It was at that point I said to myself enough of this nonsense, the proof is in the pudding. That’s when I started to test the spirit when it manifested itself. It was no surprise when the Blood of Jesus Christ could not be acknowledged when a person was controlled by that ecstatic/occult spirit. The ecstatic tongues spirit is one of the major vehicles in the formation of the Whore Church.

            Supposedly the Christian Jews during the siege of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. seized the opportunity to escape Jerusalem during the interval when Vespasian left for Rome, and his son Titus came and secured the city. And like you said that came from their awareness of Scripture.

            I’ve been having a go around with Geoffrey Grider on his works salvation. What he says is very revealing to say the least, but not surprising.

            I’ve followed Caroline Glick’s articles in the Jerusalem Post when I had a subscription to their news paper. She does some fine writing, and exposes the evident flaws in the land for “peace” deal with the Arabs.

            Roman Catholicism rose out of the ashes of the Roman Empire assuming its titles like Pontifex Maximus, etc. It added ecclesiastic power to political power. Roman Catholicism is Babylon dressed up to look like a spiritualized form of Judaism/Christianity. Its similarity to Islam is also striking.

            I wondered if Netanyahu could legislate away the ruling of the Supreme court on gas/oil exploration. I’m glad to see he got that accomplished. With the Supreme Court’s ruling I was beginning to wonder if it was part of the deal with Putin in getting him out of Syria.

            Was that furniture polish, or Polish ? 🙂

            Take care brother, and God bless, David

  • Kiwiwatcher

    Whew….most difficult to locate where everyone is brother. Am grateful for the ‘word search’ option for the page.

    Not sure if I entirely follow ‘change a lot of things with respect to the timing of the translation/rapture of the saints, and its relationship to the tribulation’ but nevertheless, I had noted that whenever someone quoted the Scripture, that it differed from my text.

    Published by Oxford University Press, London 1967 ….includes margin note reads ‘Christ’

    • David Kaus

      Thank you for the information on the 1967 KJV Kiwiwatcher.

      Now in reference to my post above:

      David Kaus 28 March 2016 at 9:33 pm

      And with 2 Thess 2:2 reading “day of Christ.”

      Let me run this by you kiwiwatcher.

      In what time frame would you put the Translation of the Saints with reference to these Scripture verses ?

      King James Version: 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2

      1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, (Translation/Rapture)

      2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

      3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

      4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    • David Kaus

      Hello brother Kiwiwatcher

      I think I’ve gotten my mind back to some degree of normalcy now.

      The commentary that I mentioned to you that contemplated putting “the day of Christ” during the middle of the tribulation I believe is not interpretation 2 Thess 2:2 correctly

      So here is my view of what Scripture is saying in 2 Thess 2

      Paul had explained the “day of the Lord” to the Thessalonians before. Some one forged an epistle to the Thessolanians in his name stating that the “day of Christ” was at hand, which the Thessalonians thought meant “the day of the Lord.”

      1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
      (Paul here is referring to the Translation/Rapture)

      2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
      (There was a letter to the Thessalonians that had Paul’s name on it, and people who spoke to them about things they said came from Paul but the letter could be identified as a fraud because they used the terminology “as the day of Christ is at hand.” The Thessalonians didn’t put a distinction between “the day of the Lord,” and “the day of Christ,” and therefore were troubled thinking the Tribulation was at hand and that they had missed the day of Christ.

      3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
      (Paul tell them not to be deceived by any man because “that day” the day of the Lord, shall not come because their will first come a falling away, and the man of sin revealed, the son of perdition) Note here if the day of Christ is taken viewed as coming during the day of the Lord, then what follows would seem to indicate that the day of Christ is going to take place when anti Christ is revealed. I believe that was the thinking of the commentary I viewed. He also states: “That means that Christians are not only going to see the anti Christ, but they are going to see a lot of the anti Christ, including his rise to power.”)

      4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

      5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

      7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
      (The Holy Spirit indwelling all true believers is taken away in the day of Christ, translation/rapture. There will be no more restraint of evil by The Holy Spirit, but He is not stopped from functing in other way upon the earth.)

      8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

      9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

      10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

      11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

      As I stated before, I hold to the pre trib position. I was a bit stumped by the mid trib position and the commentary. After careful review, and seeking the opinion of others like yourself, Dr. Waite, etc and more Scripture reading, I believe that I’ve sorted out the mid trib commentary and the reasoning behind it.

      God Bless, David

      • david Kaus

        One more thing Kiwiwatcher

        If the term “day of Christ” is meant literally in 2 Thess 2:2 then it looks to me like a mid term tribulation translation/rapture would be a correct interpretation of the context………….if.

        • Kiwiwatcher

          A non Born-Again Christian, (without being filled with the Holy Spirit), in taking a literal approach – would most likely interpret ‘a mid tribulation’ Rapture. Yes

  • David Kaus

    Skywatcher

    This commentary and it’s connection to the NLT

    I have the “People’s Edition” Commentary, “The Life and Epistles of Saint Paul, by THE REV. W. J. CONYBEARE, M.A., Late Fellow of Trinity College, Cambridge

    and

    THE REV. J.S. HOWSON, D.D., Principal of the Collegiate Institution, Liverpool

    With

    A Preliminary Dissertation by THE REV. LEONARD BACON, D. D.
    Hartford, Conn.
    S.S. Scranton & Co. 1900

  • David Kaus
    • Kiwiwatcher

      Yes, devastating for Bibi. Numerous street protests etc were held as Bibi pushed through the legislation to enable the gas deal to go ahead, and the left leaning Supreme Court has followed suit.

      As suspected – I believe that Israel will experience a movement to the left, until pedulum swings too far…..then the massive extreme to the right of hardcore Nationalism.

      Had to check on whether the author Caroline Glick was related to Yehudah Glick (the temple guide) – unrelated.

      Thanks for the update. Grateful

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