The Rapture

The Pretribulation Rapture

While we cannot name the exact date of the Lord’s Return its nearness may be known by the character of the Times. As to this the New Testament gives no uncertain sound. In Dan. 12:4, Dan. 12:9-10, we read, “But thou, 0 Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the Book, even to the ‘TIME OF THE END’: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.. Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the ‘TIME OF THE END.’ Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand; but the WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND.”


These words declare that the prophecies of Daniel were to be “shut up” and “sealed” until the “TIME OF THE END.” This expression does not mean the “end of Time, ” but is the angelic messenger’s way of referring to the “Last Days” of the “Times of the Gentiles.” At which time he declares that the Book will be “unsealed, ” and “knowledge shall be increased.” What is here meant is “prophetic knowledge” of the things recorded in the Book of Daniel and other prophetic writings of the Scriptures.

This is made clear by the statement that only the “wise” shall understand. That is, those who are enlightened by the Holy Spirit, and not those who merely have intellectual knowledge, for the wicked SHALL NOT UNDERSTAND. How wonderfully this is true of these days. The Higher Critics have labored hard to discredit the Book of Daniel, but without avail, for the Book is more studied than ever, and is being “unsealed” by Holy Spirit enlightened students of the Word of God, who clearly see that we have reached the “Time of the End, ” and are living in the closing days of the “Times of the Gentiles.”

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January 29, 2011 9:54 am

Reading Daniel one of the things that impresses me is the life of King Nebacuznezzer…he goes from a pagon king to a worshiper of the Living God due to what God does in his life.
I like this diagram because it clearly shows the “Time of the Gentiles” in relation to the major governments. Also, showing the statue on the horizontal clearly shows the ages.
Could you indicate on this chart the 7 feasts of God too?
Jesus is seen in these feasts:
First Coming:
Passover, the Lamb of God~Crucifixion
Feast of Unlevened Bread~Jesus Christ sinless death
First Fruits~Jesus Christ the First Risen from the dead.
Pentecost~Holy Spirit given to Believers in Christ
Second Coming of the Messiah:
Rosh Shananna~Gathering, Sounding of the Trumpet, Day of the Lord~Time of Jacob’s Trouble~but they will be saved out of it.
Yom Kippur~Great Day of Attonement
Tabernacles~God and man finally tabernacle together

May 26, 2011 8:12 pm

Message from the Lamb

The scholars and reverends sit on my seat of authority.

So observe and practice all they tell you; but do not do what they do, for they preach, but do not practice.

They tie up heavy loads, hard to bear, and place them on men’s shoulders, by making a Law out of the grace I gave, but they themselves cannot in any way lift a finger to help them for they live only for themselves.

They do all their works to be seen of men; for they quote bible verses and add to their authority according to their educational attainment and the honors they receive from the schools they studied and from the places they preached; and they take pleasure in and thus love the place of honor in gatherings and the best seats and pulpits in their churches; and to be greeted with honor in the marketplaces and to have people call them pastor.

But you are not to be called pastor or teacher, for you have one Pastor and Teacher and you are all brothers; and do not call anyone in the church on earth father, for you have one Father, Who is in heaven.

And you must not be… Read more »

September 18, 2012 9:11 pm

Wow! what words from God! Spirit filled–blessed my soul– God spoke to me about two months ago. He said, “It is near, even at the door.” Even so, come Lord Jesus!

June 14, 2013 10:18 am

Sharon, I get excited everytime I read such mail as yours. I am looking forward for His coming, I want to be with Him forever and ever Amen

January 11, 2013 6:06 pm

Is this scripture or a word you recieved?

May 26, 2011 8:17 pm

1 Peter 1:1-2 NKJV

The summary of the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his bondservants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw – that is, the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is the one who reads the words of this message, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

Then He said to me, “You are to make a fresh prophecy concerning many peoples and races and nations and languages and kings.”

The Gospel of Eternity

In the beginning, the Father (the will), the Son (righteousness), the Holy Spirit (angels as one), Man (Divine Nature), and Life already existed as one entity. God was all and in all.

When God created the heavens and the earth, He is actually dispersing Himself. Time, decay and restoration started moving and dispersing themselves. God shattered Himself into pieces yet is eternally One. The Father’s will shattered into many individual wills; the Son became sin; the… Read more »

June 6, 2013 11:50 pm

I wanted to ask where you get this nonsense? If its not Biblical based … its nonsense. much of these things you wrote are in fact nonsense. Jesus never told us he was shattered. He is in fact still whole. His Spirit resides within believers throughout the world in fullness. The Trinity is still complete and whole, not shattered. Not broken. Whole/complete/fully intact. Please refrain from fleshly outbursts like this. Its unbecoming to the body as a whole.

February 12, 2011 6:15 am

‎1Pe 3:15 But in your hearts set Christ apart as holy [and acknowledge Him] as Lord. Always be ready to give a logical defense to anyone who asks you to account for the hope that is in you, but do it courteously and respectfully. [Isa. 8:12, 13.]

The bible does say some specific things and for a pre trib or mid trib rapture to be scriptural, there must be several things that are actually IN THE BIBLE.

1. There must be another passage in the Bible that speaks of another gathering of the people of God to Jesus besides Matt 24 : 29-31 and that states it occurs before the END of the tribulation.

2. There must be a passage that states either II Thes 2:1-4 is not true or does not apply to all Christians or there cannot be a pre trib rapture at all!

3. There must be a passage that states there are more than 2 resurrections or that the first resurrection is dividied into at least 2 parts, because we are told in Matt 24:29-31 of the first resurrection and it is in agreement with the passage in Rev 20 about the first resurrection which happens AFTER the END of… Read more »

March 8, 2011 6:05 pm

Dirk… go online and type in 7 year tribulation and Ribera. You will see where this false doctrine originated and why.(Precepts of Men). How could people follow this doctrine when Paul tell us…
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
now pay attention to what is said in this scripture…
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
These verses clearly show that we will be standing here when Christ returns.
Be Blessed

March 29, 2011 11:34 pm

only the “wise” shall understand. That is, those who are enlightened by the Holy Spirit, and not those who merely have intellectual knowledge, for the wicked SHALL NOT UNDERSTAND. How wonderfully this is true of these days. The Higher Critics have labored hard to discredit the Book of Daniel, but without avail, for the Book is more studied than ever, and is being “unsealed” by Holy Spirit enlightened students of the Word of God, who clearly see that we have reached the “Time of the End, ” and are living in the closing days of the “Times of the Gentiles.”

May 21, 2011 10:21 pm

It doesn’t matter what any of us believe or think will happen, it will be the way that God wants it to happen. But I recall of Matt. chapter 52 saying something about the dead already coming alive (which would be what 1 th 4 talks of the dead in Christ shall rise first.) then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds (meaning when we die.) Doesn’t the Bible say that to be absent of the body is to be present with the Lord? Now for 1 Cor. 15 In a moment (In your timing when God draws you thru the spirit to be born again) in the twinkling of an eye (as quickly as you could blink God saves you) and the dead shall be raised incorruptible ( Pauls says your dead that have been born again your a brand new creature in Christ, More spirt than that of anything else. And we shall be changed (your changed spiritually not flesh, not soulical. And your right these verses do clearly show that we will be standing here when Christ returns (He told them that when I go away I will… Read more »

March 29, 2011 9:29 pm

I personall cannot answer ur questions. although i do believe i know someone who can answer all your questions go to JVIM.COM he is an evangelistic end times preacher and has memorized thousands of versus of the scripture over the last 50 years.

April 14, 2011 5:02 pm

Brother, Jack Van Impe gives the answer to your question. He also gives the original Greek meaning to key words to help you understand. One thing for sure if you are a believer you are going sometime, when I find myself arguing I try to commit that energy into winning souls who are hell bound. 0nly the enemy wants us to argue. See you there however we get there….that is what is important. If there is a catching away I will be in it, if not I will see Jesus at His second coming or at death…..Time to be a soul winner bro!

April 25, 2011 6:29 pm

The basic pattern is events happening up to the tribulation, like famines and wars. Once the whole world hears the gospel, the tribulation will begin. After the tribulation, Jesus will return. Then after Jesus comes, the rapture will happen. I referenced Matthew 24 and Mark 13.
Yes, it is ridiculous that people choose not to believe the truth. This happens when people ignore what the bible says in favor of their own understanding and what tickles their ears.

May 8, 2011 11:10 pm

Hello, April

But how can we justify a Tribulation when the Lord tells us differently?

One of the best supporting verses from the Bible for the rapture of the Church is found in Revelation 3:10.


“Because you have kept my command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world to test those who dwell on the earth.”

This verse is a promise made by Christ to one of His seven churches, the church of Philadelphia. The hour of trial Jesus speaks of in this verse is the period of time that our Lord calls the “great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no,

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November 4, 2012 3:19 am

Al Angelo, don’t forget what was said to the other 6 churches. Those verses count as much as the ones to Philly. What you said is some what true, Poppa will keep us. But HOW? Lions den, fiery furnace, Noah’s ark, Peter in jail, Paul let down a wall in a basket…Poppa is able.

1 Corinthians 10:13, Amplified
For no temptation (no trial regarded as enticing to sin), [no matter how it comes or where it leads] has overtaken you and laid hold on you that is not common to man [that is, no temptation or trial has come to you that is beyond human resistance and that is not adjusted and adapted and belonging to human experience, and such as man can bear]. But God is faithful [to His Word and to His compassionate nature], and He [can be trusted] not to let you be tempted and tried and assayed beyond your ability and strength of resistance and power to endure, but with the temptation He will [always] also provide the way out (the means of escape to a landing place), that you may be capable and strong and powerful to BEAR UP UNDER IT patiently. [Emphasis added]

This is… Read more »

June 30, 2013 9:19 am

More for Al Angelo–

PTR advocates like to quote the verse in Rev. 2:10, “I will keep you from the hour of testing “as a basis for the PTR.

It is true that Father WILL keep us, but He is not limited to flying us away to do it.

In my comment above I listed 1 Cor. 10:13. Read it. then read Rev. 2:7, 2:11, 2:26, 2:17 3:12 & 21 about he that overcomes. If we are flown away, why these verses?

Why also, is Rev. 2:9-11 ignored? The letter to Smyrna. Also the letter to Pergamum? Sardis? Laodicea?

Picking only one church is not accurate.

Also note that though the church at Philadelphia is told Father will keep them, those verses do not say how. That’s why people need to read 1Cor. 10:15 & the verses in Revelation about he that overcomes. I
d strongly suggest the Amplified for these readings. You can do so at

Some OT people are said to be types of a rapture. But ignored are all the times Father protected His own without flying them any where. A few examples–

Noah in the ark floated on the waters but never left earth
Midwives wouldn’t kill the children
Moses… Read more »

May 8, 2011 11:28 pm


Did you miss the Lord’s words???


One of the best supporting verses from the Bible for the rapture of the Church is found in Revelation 3:10.


“Because you have kept my command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world to test those who dwell on the earth.”

This verse is a promise made by Christ to one of His seven churches, the church of Philadelphia. The hour of trial Jesus speaks of in this verse is the period of time that our Lord calls the “great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be” (Matthew 24:21).

There are many verses in the Bible that describe the rapture.

This belief in being taken up to meet Christ is the essence of hope. A hope that Satan will fight and challenge with all of his might.

We also read the following in I Thessalonians 4:16-18
“For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice… Read more »

May 9, 2011 1:37 pm


The problem is the WHOLE BIBLE IS TRUE. Any doctrine, any teaching that ACTUALLY comes from GOD will agree 100% with the Bible.

You are interpreting this verse in Revelation with the idea of a pre trib rapture and we cannot honestly do this and come up with HIS TRUTH!

We must go to the WHOLE BIBLE and see what the WHOLE BIBLE SAYS.

The Whole Bible does NOT teach a pre trib rapture. How do I know this? Because of the 4 questions I have asked; because of the post I put here about a PRE TRIB RAPTURE IS IMPOSSIBLE!

You see, in order for there to be a pre trib rapture, there has to be another place in the Bible that tells us God or Jesus gathers His people to Himself BEFORE the Tribulation. There is no verse.

There must be a verse that SAYS the First Resurrection is divided into more than 1 section. THere is NO SUCH VERSE.

There must be a verse that says II Thes 2:1-4 is wrong or does not apply to all Christians. There is no such verse.

There must be a passage that says there is a secret, silent, unknown gathering… Read more »

March 6, 2012 5:41 am

Dirk, continue in your belief. The bible certainly agrees with your position. When I speak to people about the rapture, what I focus on is the tribulation that is coming. Those that believe in a pre-trib and mid-trib will be shocked when they face all the troubles that come with it. They may even lose their faith because they are not saved out of the tribulation when it comes. I feel it’s important that they at least see this possibility. What does the bible say? This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints. The tribulation is coming, and like gold and silver must go through the furnace to remove the dross, to make it pure, so it will be for us. Stay strong in the love of Christ.

May 16, 2011 3:18 am

a very great many of the evangelicals now do not believe in a literal hell and heaven…. just like the Jehovah witness….. so it is best not to go on what man believes….. even with pastors and preachers, there are a vast many of them that are preaching to tickle the ear, to get the body count in church up and ARE NOT PREACHING/TEACHING THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED, RISEN…. and are not teaching repentance, ….. they are teaching a universalism doctrine that all will be saved, and THAT IS NOT WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS…

some are teaching that once saved always saved, but in Rev. you will find that it also speaks about having names BLOTTED OUT OF THE BOOK… to be blotted out means that it once was there….. you can not blot something out if it was never there, so if you have been written into the Lambs Book of Life, You can be blotted out from it as well……..

Christ said….. IF YOU LOVE ME….. YOU WILL KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS, not out of obligation but out of love, for if you love some one you do things that will please them, not… Read more »

May 16, 2011 3:30 am

oh, by the way,

at the end of the TRIB is the battle of Armageddon. so Christ is here on the earth. who is it He comes back with ?

why would there be (in essence) three resurrections? there are two…. if Christ is here on earth, why would those dead in Christ rise, and then those that are alive and remain follow? Christ is here, not in Heaven at that time…. after the Battle of Armageddon He (Christ) rules the earth and satan is put away for 1000 years….. why would there be a resurrection at that time?

Where would the 7 year wedding feast take place for the Bride and the Bridegroom? here on earth? not everyone that is on the earth will be righteous, they will have just made it through the tribulation with out denying Christ… then at the end of the 1000 years, satan and his cronies are released for a short season ( believed to be about 3.5 years) to go about their business again, trying to turn the heads of those with Christ……. then the battle of God and magog….

as far as the Rapture (true, the word is not… Read more »

May 16, 2011 7:24 am


You are very confused and are not reading the Bible properly.
First of all, in II Thes 2, Paul tells us that BEFORE we are gathered to Him, the man of perdition MUST be revealed and declare himself to be God in the temple of God.

Second, the only place in the Bible that says anything about something hindering the man of perdition being revealed is also in II thes 2 and IT DOES NOT SAY THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE ONE HINDERING. That is from your own mind because you have a preconceived notion that the Church must be taken off the earth first. BUT there is NO PLACE in the Bible that says this.

Jesus tells us WHEN the First Resurrection takes place; AFTER THE END of the Great Tribulation. It is right there in RED in Matt 24:29-31; Jesus’ own words say that.

You have many misconceptions, misunderstandings, and believe many lies. You are believing in the pre trib rapture and setting out to prove it finding verses that SEEM to agree with you. BUT that typw of study will ALWAYS lead to deception.

The ONLY way to know is to see what the WHOLE BIBLE… Read more »

June 14, 2013 2:00 am

MikeIrish, when He returns it’s with the saints who rise to meet Him in the air & whoever it is He brings from heaven. Those that are alive & remain rise to meet Him as He descends. No mystery. Remain? After what?? Pray on that.

It’s like this,

15 And the [Christian] brethren there, having had news of us, came as far as the Forum of Appius and the Three Taverns to meet us. When Paul saw them, he thanked God and received new courage.

16 When we arrived at Rome,…

We see that people traveled to meet Paul as he was going to Rome. They stayed with Paul as Paul traveled to & arrived there, at Rome.

When Jesus comes we will meet Him in the air & accompany (‘travel’ with) Him to earth.

Be careful abut departing from the simplicity that is in Christ. In 2 Cor. 11:3 KJV says simplicity. The Amplified puts it this way,

2 Corinthians 11:3
Amplified Bible (AMP) All verses from
3 But [now] I am fearful, lest that even as the serpent beguiled Eve by his cunning, so your minds may be… Read more »

June 11, 2011 11:46 pm

In reference to the so-called “Rapture” you mentioned the Holy Scripture in Revelation 20 where these Saints are part off the 1st Resurrection. Well, this is the scripture, alone with those below in 1st Corinthians 15th chapter where our Lord via the Holy Spirit, began to instruct me that the Saints of God (would not) be “Raptured” out and\or taken off of the earth until the end of the Great Tribulation period. In Rev 20:5-6, it states that “Blessed and Holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the “second death” hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.” In verse #4 it says that these Great Tribulation Saints were beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and the “Word of God”, who had not worshiped the Beast-666 nor had received his mark upon them and they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. It plainly says that these Saints are part of the first Resurrection, and be assured, Jesus and the Holy scriptures only speaks of two resurrections, one of the just and one of the unjust. Now, the… Read more »

June 18, 2011 10:39 am


HOWEVER, there will be a CONCEALING of some saints, like Revelation says,
“I will keep you from”.

Also, Isaiah says,
“enter into your inner chambers, until the indignation has passed.”

and Psalm 91 says,
“a thousand fall at my left, and ten thousand at my right, but it doesn’t come near me.”

March 26, 2012 2:54 pm

Problem with the pre-Trip Rapture teaching, it is not directly taught in the Book.

Boiled down the PTR doctrine says Yeshua is coming 2 more times that equal only one 2nd advent. That the present Church will be taken out before the great trib, but a part of the Church that comes into being later, ‘tribulation saints’, will be left behind.

PTR teaching doesn’t call the post trib saints the Church, but they would have to be Church. They must get saved/redeemed the same as us, so they would be the Church in the trib. How does one become qualified to be in the Church & pre-Trib raptured? By being born again, saved, redeemed. The post trib saints can be saved no other way. ALL who are God’s born again children are saved the same way, by the work of Messiah at the cross.

If we all are saved the same way, by Jesus’ blood & our being born again, & this is what qualifies one for the PTR, why would the ‘trib’ saints not also be qualified for a ‘rapture’ of their own? Father is no respecter of persons….

Note: ALL the PTR teaching is based on esiegesis, none of… Read more »

December 31, 2012 12:09 pm

The Pre-Tibulation Rapture is the only possibility and it’s scriptural because of who Jesus Christ is, our groom, and who we are, His bride. He would not let His bride suffer through the tribulation, 7 years. His love is so amazing! If you love someone that much, would you let them go through anything bad? No! Plus, the Jewish wedding lasts 7 days, and that’s the time we will be gone. He has promised us He will take us “out of” the hour of trial, 7 years of tribulation, that will come on the whole Earth, etc, etc, etc. That’s right, you take the whole Bible into account. Amen! Maranatha!!!

April 25, 2013 10:40 am

JC, where are your Bible verses to back up your emotionalism?

Father loved His Son. What did Poppa let Jesus go through? Those in Hebrews 11? You should read Fox’s Book Of Martyrs.

Father lets us go THROUGH lots of stuff. He proves us & cleans us up with fiery trials don’t forget.

September 9, 2013 9:15 am

The fact is Jesus set the tone for the rapture and only spoke of one. The others only followed suit. They all referred to His.

February 19, 2011 8:46 am

Maranatha,come Lord Jesus.

February 19, 2011 6:51 pm

Yes, Marantha, Come Lord Jesus.

BUT He will NOT come until AFTER the END of the Tribulation!

February 20, 2011 6:39 am

I agree with Mr. Dirk. I used to believe in a “rapture.” It sounds easy and fun — to us Americans! Once I became aware of the serious tortures, torments, and killings of fellow believers in other countries even to this DAY, my heart was struck. THEY ARE HAVING THEIR TIME OF TESTING ALREADY! Many have lost houses, land, businesses, children and their very lives for Jesus. Many of them were turned in by their own mothers, sisters, and other family members for just being a Christ follower! Where is their rapture? Where is their rescue?

God will save us (His people) from His wrath, but we will not escape the wrath of man. This will be a time of purifying and unifying and sanctifying of the church! Please follow the advice of Dirk! Put aside your cherished beliefs and let God speak. Examine the Scriptures and examine yourself. The rapture theory is a dangerous false doctrine. The church did not believe in this until some woman in the 18th century had a “vision” concerning the rapture of the church!

This false doctrine has created lazy, carnal, selfish Christians! We are only concerned with our own safety and comfort. Our… Read more »

April 25, 2013 10:50 am

You are so correct Charmaine! Corrie TenBoom didn’t believe in the PTR for the reasons you state. I also read a book by a missionary saying the same things you said. He ministered in Orient. I still have the book I think.

Out side the USA it is VERY difficult to spread the false PTR teaching among followers of The Way.

I did a quick look on the net about Corrie. She also calls the PTR a false teaching & said that those that teach it are the false teachers Yeshua warned us about.

The search term I used :
corrie ten boom did not believe in the pre tribulation rapture.

Miss Ten Boom is one of the great heroes of the modern Christian era, IMO.


February 21, 2011 8:42 pm

It’s interesting that the author brings up Dan 12:9 “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.”

There is another place in the bible that we see similar phrasing. Rev 22:10 “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near.” Why would God tell him not to seal them up, if there would be at least 2000 years before it was to take place, just the same as Daniel?

Why was Daniel to seal away the words of his prophecy? Because they were for a future time, not his time. Why was John told NOT to seal up the words of prophecy revealed to him? Because they WERE for his time and were happening soon. “Behold, I am coming soon…” (Rev 22:12)

February 23, 2011 1:44 pm

I have several friends that don’t believe in a pre-trib or mid-trib Rapture. But they also don’t believe in certain elements in Revelation such as The Beast, The False Prophet, The locusts, The Mark of The Beast etc. They say all of these things are “spiritual/figurative” & not literal. I believe they identify themselves as Amillennial?

I don’t understand why they interpret everything in Revelation is “spiritualized” or figurative, yet they give a LITERAL interpretation to everything else in the history of The Bible (i.e., Noah’s Ark, Jonah & The Great Fish, etc.)


April 25, 2011 6:36 pm

I call it Christian Atheism. It just another form of rejecting the truth. They have the attitude of Thomas when he disbelieved that Jesus had appeared to the other disciples. This type of people bring God down to our level and treat him as if he is human, bounded by human limitations and earth’s natural laws. That’s why anything dealing with the Deity, spiritual or supernatural are ignored by them. In a way, they are modern day Sadduces.

February 25, 2011 1:48 pm


I have answered all of your objections in my new book “The Spirit of Prophecy”, and more. I won’t repeat it all here, but I will say a couple of things: In the bible the word “heaven” has three meanings. It can mean the atmosphere, the space between the stars, and it can mean God’s home.

The word heaven in Matt 24:31 does not refer to God’s home, nor to the stars, but to the atmosphere. These elect are picked up by angels and held aloft as Jesus brings destruction on all those with the mark of the Beast. This is also the time when the mountains will fall and those hiding in caves will be crushed. These are people in their natural bodies who will repopulate the planet at the end of the Tribulation period.

These people are not the Church, because the true Church has the Holy Spirit indwelling them. When Jesus calls He will empower us to come to him in the clouds. We won’t need angels to get us there. There are lots of people who call themselves Christians who don’t have the Holy Spirit, and… Read more »

December 30, 2012 6:09 am

Daniel, Ezekiel 35 speaks of the near future when the whole earth rejoices, as you said, “The reason they think it is time for peace and safety is because they think Armageddon is over, but really it hasn’t even begun!” Israel will confirm the 7 year covenant, the Temple will be built, the redemption of Christ’s bride, the deceiver comes with lying signs and wonders to end WW 3, and the pretrib debate will be over.

February 27, 2011 5:01 am


I already have proven you wrong. I posted the scriptures that PROVE a pre trib rapture is IMPOSSIBLE and so is a mid trib rapture.

I have asked everyone to show me in the Bible another gathering of God’s people to Himself that happens at some other time than when Jesus said it would happen in Matt 24:29-31.

WHERE is that gathering in the Bible? You cannot provide it.

What about II Thes 2:1-4 that says specifically that the Antichrist MUST be revealed and declare himself to be God in the temple of God BEFORE the church is gathered to the Lord?

Where does the Bible contradict itself by saying we will be gathered to Jesus BEEFORE the Trib?

Where is a second part to the First resurrection, For the Bible says there are ONLY 2. AND Paul clearly states that the dead in Christ will be gathered BEFORE those who are still alive on the earth. YET the 1st Resurrection occurs after the END of the Trib according to Jesus in Matt and John in Rev 20.

You may be able to provide verses to twist the scriptures to make it appear there is this rapture before the trib, BUT, in order… Read more »

March 2, 2011 11:08 am

Mr Dirk,
You know nothing about the truth!! You are right about one thing you stated . . . Jesus will not come back to earth until the final battle. But He will come one time before that, but it says He’ll come in the clouds and the “Saints” that are a sleep in the ground and all that are still living will meet Him in the air. I could provide plenty of Scripture to back that, but I wouldn’t waste my time. You will be one that will eventually be in front of Jesus . . . and you will say didn’t I cast out demons . . . didn’t we do this and that, and Jesus will say, “get away from me you evil doers, I never knew you. In James it states that if you cause one little one to fall, you’d be better off with a millstone around your neck and cast into the sea. The Bible, also said in that day 2 workers will be in the field, one will suddenly be gone and the other one left behind. It says we will not know the day or the hour in which this will happen .… Read more »

March 7, 2011 5:58 pm

Totally agree with you, I have just written evidence to prove there is a pre rapture before GODs Wrath. Its great to see someone else that believes this x Many Blessings x

June 12, 2011 12:54 am

You are mistaken and confused my friend about the Warth of God. All the Elect Saints of the Great Tribulation period who are hounded, persecuted, ridiculed and killed for the Word of God and their testimony of the Lord Jesus Christ are not suffering as a part of the Warth of God. They will be suffering from the Warth of Satan, the Warth of the Beast-666. A lot of people teach that this Great Tribulation period is the Warth of God come upon a wicked and unbelieving world, but they are totally wrong. It is the Warth of Satan because he is cast upon the earth and his time is short. (Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. Rev 12:12) For it is Satan that will give power unto the Beaast-666 to make war against the Saints and to overcome them, that many will be killed. But, they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb (this Lamb is… Read more »

March 11, 2011 1:57 am

@EXPOSING LIES…you said..”(little ones are young Christians not little kids)”….you also said ” In James it states that if you cause one little one to fall, you’d be better off with a millstone around your neck and cast into the sea.”
Scripture does not verify your interpertation of this and you are not even quoting the right scripture. For scripture says…
Mat 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

and again,
Mar 9:36 And he took a child, and set him in the midst… Read more »

May 3, 2011 4:14 pm

Well said Daniel, I agree with you. Jesus is the King and Bridegroom getting ready to steal his bride away for the marriage feast of the Lamb.
He said in my house there are many mansions or rooms whatever, “If it were not so I would have told you” I choose to belive Jesus Christ.

June 14, 2013 2:54 am

Ken, “house” in your verse means household, which is the family members & any one living in the physical house. ‘Mansions’ means dwelling places, as in slots/places/spaces/open seats that can occupied in a family.

I also choose to believe Jesus. So what exactly was He saying?

Your set of scriptures in John was fulfilled in Acts chpt. 2 when Jesus came, returned as it were after His ascension, in & to the believers in the upper room with the baptism of the Holy Spirit & placed those in the upper room into His body. He was fulfilling what Daniel said abut a Stone cut out without human hands that grew to take over the whole earth. See Dan. 2:34-35 & 45.

Peter’s sermon, just after, was also used to add even more to the body.

Jesus was not speaking of His 2nd advent in John 14.
John 14:3
And when (if) I go and make ready a place for you, I will come back again and will take you to Myself,

that where I am

you may be also.

John 17:24
Father, I desire that they also whom You have entrusted to Me [as Your gift to Me]

may be with Me where I… Read more »

February 2, 2012 1:17 am

Ooo…well said.

Yet, we all do agree; This is the Beginning of the End!

July 15, 2013 10:51 am

I totally agree.We must rightly divide the word of truth and be like the Bereans.I used to believe the post trib rapture but after searching the word I have renounced that as false doctrine.Post tribbers use Matt24:31 like a record playing that is stuck in the groove to prove the rapture.Jesus is not refering to the rapture in this verse but to the gathering of the Jews to Jerusalem after He returns in Glory.This verse in Matt 24:31 ties in with Isa 11:11,12.Isa 27:12,13.Also in Rev 1:19 speakes of the things which were(that is before the church age began ) the things which are(the church age we are in now)and the things which will be hereafter.The things which are hereafter begin in the 70th week from after the rapture shown in Rev4:1.This is all very clear to me.
Even so come Lord Jesus.

July 16, 2013 1:58 am

Actually, Post-Tribbers hold to the original interpretation of the whole Bible. Did you know Pre-tribbers didn’t exist until a Pentecostal girl had a vision of a pre-trib rapture? For 1800 years, nobody thought it was pre-trib. I’ll stick with what those who knew the Apostles believed. Not some 20 something wet-behind-the-ears girl who had a hallucination.

September 9, 2013 3:31 am

Exposing, just because different verses have different details doesn’t mean there are 2 more comings of Christ. All that supposition is added by men.

ALL the details in every verse about the 2nd advent will be fulfilled at Yeshua’s one & only 2nd advent. How? I don’t know. I do know that Father is not limited because we don’t know.

If the 2nd advent comes in 2 stages separated by some 7 years, yet equals only one 2nd advent, why is that not made clear with al least a FEW DIRECT statements?

Why cannot the 2 stage 2nd coming believers reconcile Q’s by Dirk, others & me?

Like, how does the ‘last trumpet’ fit?

I will raise them all up at the last day?

Let them grow together until the harvest, which is at the end of the age?

Gather the tares first?

He that endures to the end will be saved?

Is the PTR the end? No. How does that fit in the teaching?

Also if the church is PTR’d so Father can deal with the Jews, why does Jesus pray we all be made one in John 17–
20 Neither for these alone do I pray [it is not for their sake… Read more »

September 9, 2013 9:37 am

Quiet simple if you think about it. We should know we are not appointed to wrath. Jesus comes in the clouds to gather, at the signs: sun, moon and stars, Luke 21:25

Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

If we run reference to Rev. 6:12 with these same evens we can see the wrath is related to mans hearts failing them in Luke 21:26. We can plainly see in both cases we are gone before the wrath of God because in both cases the wrath is just getting ready to start. The last seal in the book… Read more »