POLL: One In Four Americans Think Obama May Be The Antichrist

The study revealed that 13% of respondents thought Obama was "the antichrist", while another 13% were "not sure" ...

About one in four Americans suspect that President Barack Obama might be the antichrist, more than a third believe that global warming is a hoax and more than half suspect that a secretive global elite is trying to set up a New World Order, according to a poll released on Tuesday.

one-in-four-americans-think-obama-may-be-the-antichristThe survey, which was conducted by Public Policy Polling, asked a sample of American voters about a number of conspiracy theories, phrasing the questions in eye-catching language that will have the country’s educators banging their heads on their desks.

The study revealed that 13% of respondents thought Obama was “the antichrist”, while another 13% were “not sure” – and so were at least appeared to be open to the possibility that he might be. Some 73% of people were able to say outright that they did not think Obama was “the antichrist”.

The survey also showed that 37% of Americans thought that global warming was a hoax, while 12% were not sure and a slim majority – 51% – agreed with the overwhelming majority view of the scientific establishment and thought that it was not.

The survey also revealed that 28% of people believed in a sinister global New World Order conspiracy, aimed at ruling the whole world through authoritarian government. Another 25% were “not sure” and only a minority of American voters – 46% – thought such a conspiracy theory was not true. source – Guardian UK

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  • will

    please get an editor for this website..your posts are excruciating to read. the grammar and puncuation are ridiculous. most posts are making it seem as if a child has written them

    • Will, you don’t have room to complain, because you don’t know how to use capital letters or punctuation. Those are first grade lessons. I wouldn’t have mentioned it, but “people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones!”

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  • I don’t know who the Anti Christ is but I know I don’t trust that man.

  • Joseph

    I want to know who they polled? Whites and Christians alike? I mean it cannot be the blacks, hispanics and socialists because they all voted for him……TWICE! So if they voted him in twice then they either do not belive what you have posted or they know he is satans seed and love him regardless……So this poll had to be 89% Christians, republicans or white…..or all three………

    • Never trust a man who from birth was taught anyone who isn’t muslim is the infidel. Not his fault but regardless he has been influenced by a cult from birth and that cult stands all that anyone stands for THAT IS NOT MUSLIM PERIOD. Who should be held more accountable? The people who let him in office. Not the people who were lied to that voted for him either. The others that were in office that were sworn to protect our constitution and country. THOSE ARE THE USELESS, GREASE-LESS AND SMOKELESS INDIVIDUALS WHO SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO THE HIGHEST EXTREMES OF THE LAW. Cause they did not represent the people. God have mercy on these morons.

  • Finally some truth in the news. Yes, Obummer, like Hitler, knows the words to say, with a ‘preachers’ voice, with promises of wealth, ‘freedom,’ and hand-outs, to seduce the ignorant. That’s why those without wisdom voted for him. Truly a devil in sheep’s clothing. Thanks for putting out some truth in the news!! Wake up America!! Seek Christ, seek wisdom, and vote for Bible principles, not handouts!!

  • D City if that poll is correct, then it’s worst than I thought. Can we help anyone? Do we labor in vain? I would be happy to help just one sheep to hold with the flock and stay under the Shepherd’s watch.

  • Let it be understood that Christ has warned us not to be deceived. I belive that true followers of Christ have been given a gift to understand good from evil.

    Call it what you will with or about Obama, Christ raises kings and takes them down, and Obama is in there (office) for a reason. America got what it deserves! Just look how disgraceful our nation has become!!

    Luke 17:26….read it!! Are you convinced yet??

    • so true

    • Amen, so very true, we have forgotten God in this nation, we have turned our backs on the One who has led us through for 200 years. We do have what we deserve.

  • Have you been lied to? Did they tell you trib would last 7years? Here is positive 100% proof. Dan 9:27 and he shall confirm covenant for one week(7 years) and in the midst of the week cause the of Abomination of desolation.( after 3 1/2 years). Matt 24:15 when you see this. Matt 24:21 Then shall be the greatest tribulation. This was made short to show significance. Read it yourself. They are lying to you!!!! Great trib = 3 1/2 years.

    • Yes. Obama wants to be the one to ratify the false peace treaty that desolates Israel. As President he can. He also holds a position on the UN security council, the structure of which is designed for the NWDisO, that of the pyramid and the satanic corporatocracy. That process could even begin toward the end of this year, as we enter the time of Jacobs trouble. The feast that is the obomination as polled among those in Israel is believed a desirable, but then a mere remnant of Tora believers in Israel have the heavens open for prayer in Jerusalem, preventing judgement so far. No person can give you dates, since there is free will. We can however know the seasons. As mentioned, Obama is the false prophet & the anti-christ will be Russian. Just before the enforcement of the cashless biochip mark of the beast system, you will see the tablets of the ten commandments. Perhaps the ark of his testimony. The ark is protected by angels, and the tablets are on a shelf already having been removed from the ark by it’s now deceased discoverer. It was discovered in 1982. This dig was approached by eight priests of the Sanhedren who all died in the attempt to take it. The location is twenty feet beneath the site of the cross. The blood of Jesus fell on the western side of the mercy seat in fulfillment of scripture to make all things new. If you are born of the spirit, then you will hear his call, even if the body is dead…and you will live. Fear is for those who have not the Lord. The Lord’s will not fear to go into any place. We are as one. We will face the return of the giants as in the days of the Nephillim. other men’s hearts will fail of fear for those things coming upon the earth. Cern is the master gate for their return.

      • David that is a great science fiction novel you’re in there. Who authored that one?

        • david

          I had the hardened heart of a soldier…full prepared, fully trained, in more areas than I care to get into here. I have been to HAARP. I have been underground. I have worked around royalty and world leaders. Ten years of military service including intelligence, 13 years in the energy industry, and even exposure to what I now understand as the most evil in the world like the red shield, while I was involved in capitalization for my stripmining venture, and the derivitives scam I ran into by way of access to funding facilities. I spent no time reading the word since I was a child. My mother who prayed in tongues prayed for her children. After being murdered and sacrifiecd begining on the morning of 9/11, I began to research and investigate using every scrap of knowledge I had. I had only one spiritual experience as a child. I could take having a proven billion dollar opportunity stolen from me by what I thought was just hard business. But then great evil made it very personal.
          It was not until I finally added my own heart face down in prayer in the deepest of emotion that my cry went up….but they lie ! Then the author of all things took pity on my unworthy hyde and answered so simply yet so completely, that even one such as you who I believ has a good heart and knowledge of scripture, will not put their own opinion aside for that of the holy spirit. You just give your opinion believing that’s the way it is. You sir, with all your knowledge of scriptures are still an ignorant man. I have very limited knowledge of scripture, but I have been spoken too by a messanger of it’s author. I am very fortunate that some things have been given for me to know. It has cost me in many ways to persue his spirit that answered me. Do you really think I care about the opinion of others ? Again I give you an example. Listen to the witness of Ephraim. He is the direct bloodline descendent of Aaron and Moses whose coming was foretold to his descendent in the temple by Jesus. The Hebrews had Moses. We have have the witness among us. See if your heart can discern truth. Seek and read the small scroll. It is the blowing of the trumpet of Elijah. It is found on http://www.clayandiron.com, written by the witness of Ephraim. After you have done this, you will know a little better about who the AUTHOR IS.

  • Did you not get this Daniel 7years covenant, in middle Aof D, See this , then trib.

  • 7 years, in middle, then trib

  • 7 years trib = lies *************************************** Dan. 9:27, Matthew 24:15, Matt. 24:21

  • Why do pretribber tell you there is 7 years of tribulation? Because if it wasn’t 7 years, their doctrine would not work. Judge for yourself, if you have been lied to.

  • cliche

    So cliche….That means a quarter of americans are ignorant….has there ever been a trust worthy politician…if that’s the case a third of Americans believe mitt Romney was the anti christ…he fit the description in every aspect…

  • Both halves are to be tribulation. The second 3 1/2 years will be unlike anyone has ever seen before. I, personally believe that the earth also play its part in the anialation of man.

    • Mann, Jesus said a time like no other. This is the great tribulation. No other Great tribulation or tribulation period was ever given at the end time period. Give me scripture if you have it? It’s been tribulation, since Adam fell. But there is only one tribulation period given for the end time and that as Jesus said, is 3 1/2 years. And that is correct, even if Perry Stone came and told you different. The first 3 1/2 years have no scripture for it to be any differ than any other time of the 70 weeks of Daniel. What make the first 3 1/2 years significant, is Israel will give up their kingdom to the antichrist just as will all the other 10 kings will of the horns, Dan 11:21, Rev. 17:17. This man will rule the earth, for 7 years, but it is the last half that he becomes the Great wicked that he is noted for. Why is this significant because of the 4 horn to scatter Israel for the 70 weeks, Zech. 1:19, Check Zech. 1:12 while you are there. But you do have it right about the earth, but even that is in God’s hands. God bless you, Mann.

      • Correction : this man will rule the earth, should be rule the middle east, for 7 years.

  • I agree with all of this.

    • God bless you, Valerie

      • Gerry, Jesus once spoke some words that were offensive to many that walked with him, and they walked no more with him because of his words. John 6:53,,54,66 If they had seen what He was referring to, and understood they would not of walked away, none of them. Post tribber words also offend many people, their words are unpleasant to here and the words are rejected as soon as they are spoken. What pretribbers fall to see, is the other good side of what we say. If they had looked deeper into Christ’s message they would of stayed with Him. You see, Gerry, only the tribulation saints and the martyrs are given the right to reign with Christ at his coming, but all of the rest of the dead will have to wait to be judged. Rev. 20:4,5,6. The people here was considered holy, because of their sacrifice. Pretrib doctrine is a selfish doctrine, and a lie from satan to deceive the church not to be ready for the great tribulation, but it shall come upon them unawares, causing panic and uncertainty, Joel 3:14. This will cause the great falling away as many will be offended. 2 Thess. 2:3, Matt.24:10. Since, the beginning of time man has always look for a way to cheat death. It is a selfish thing to do. It is a lie from satan, for even in the garden of Eden he told Eve, “Surely you shall not die”. The pre tribbers look to be taken out before the tribulation starts. Would that be fair to all those that were buried from Christ’s Resurrection? It is selfish what they teach you. They say they trust in the Lord and depend on the blood to save them from tribulation, but they trust on escaping death, just like Eve did, not on God’s word, and not on Jesus when it’s time for death. To escape death is where their hope lies, not on the blood. They teach God will punish those that are not ready to go in the rapture. But I see that God will bless those that lay down their lives for his names sake. They also teach that we say things that only the beginners of our faith (post trib) say. They say we teach we shall go in the clouds and make a 360 and come right back down, to discredit us, but this is a lie that they tell. Many of their kind see it differently, also. To ask for war, so God will come back, is selfish to pray for destruction, so you can escape death. And they anger if you tell them they will not escape, and because they don’t see your concern, they take it for, anger from you. As if you steal their blessed hope. Will God honor you more for saving your life or giving you life. Matt.. 16: 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. The biggest problem with their doctrine is once you see it, it looks so good you don’t want to see any other way. Just like a baby with candy, take it away and the child goes nuts. The antichrist doctrine will be sweeter than pretrib doctrine, that if it was possible he would even deceive the very elect. Matt 24:24. Gerry don’t get suckered, It may taste good but you will surely die. Eve learned the hard way. Bless all., Lord.

  • Gerry

    Does anyone have any info regarding that a pretribulation rapture will not happen? Any info on rapture that will happen that will lead to seven yrs of tribulation? Many pastors are teaching that rapture will not take place and that we will suffer because we follow Jesus Christ. They state that we will suffer just like Jesus Christ suffered. They even bring scriptures stating that we followers of Jesus Christ will be persecuted just like he was also, they state that all the known deciples got persecuted and we must expect to be persecuted just like everyone who followed Jesus Christ.

    • Gerry, check out this site. I trust it and it has some great articles. I am a pre-trib, post-millenial biblical fundamentalist.


    • This was very reassuring for me. Jesus is coming for us soon!

    • There is NO rapture. There is NO 1,000 yerars of peace. In the spirit, there are NO opinions, or even time. There is simply…the way it is. If you fear man, you do not fear God. If you fear our just God, you do not fear man. In relationship there is all added unto you, even though you may be in the midst of carnage. God can protect those who will hear and do his will. Some will die by the sword, some to lose their heads. If the body dies doing the will of God, you just go home, but do not be passive. Be an extremeist, hot or cold. Neither God nor the adversary will respect anything but 100 % either way. Choose eternity with the rest of all creation. Hell is more real then the natural mind can comprehend, because this physical world is but a whispered brief shadow of eternal reality. Obama is not the anti-christ. He is the FALSE PROPHET. The anti-christ will come out of Russia ! Only the spirit directed person will respond to truth and place their own opinion aside. Heaven must begin for you while you are still in the flesh, by giving up all you are over to our most high God. Without this, keep in mind. Doing what is good in your OWN eyes….is sin. Keep your eyes fixed on Jesus. Call on him and he will never turn anyone away. You want great truth of spiritual leadership ? Test your love. Listen to the witness of Ephraim…our Moses for today. He may be learned from on my obscure blog, on his web sites, on youtube, and on internet radio. See: http://www.authorthat.wordpress.com The Blogathon Philabuster The witness to evil must not remain silent.

      • I’m sorry, David what was that authors name again?

    • Read Ron Murphy’s response above. Excellent post. God bless you Ron and Gerry

  • DCity…Ron..I think you might be able to help Gerry with this question 🙂

  • This doesn’t really surprise me. I knew back when he was running for presidency in ’08 that he wasn’t any good! And it wasn’t all of the empty promises he made, or even that everyone saw some hope in him. I could understand people wanting to believe in a man to save them from everything, even if I don’t agree who that man is.

    No, what really turned me off about the whole Obama thing in the beginning was that there were THRONGS of people called him the MESSIAH! I mean, how much more of a red flag does a Christian need? From that point on, I have been watching him fail in his promises, run the US nose first into the ground with his ridiculous spending spree, ignore the Benghazi scandal or lie about it (is anyone even asking questions about that anymore?), and try to take away Constitutional rights that we were given as a country!

    Why hasn’t he been impeached yet? If he has, it’s news to me, and you’d think somebody would be following it up. After all, getting impeached is supposed to be a big deal, but maybe in an obamanation, it’s not?

  • The answer to Gerry’s question is quite simple. Read the bible (Gods Word) (KJV only) cover to cover ten times. Highlight for yourself every time you see anything saying your going to be raptured or pulled out or gathered together before the tribulation. When your done, display the results. 🙂

  • I had a feeling when he first ran for the Precedency that he would be ” THE ENEMY WITHIN ” and it has been proven right this man has done away with GOD changed all the oaths of office (no bibles) stripping America’s powers as a Superpower bringing the economy to its knees,becoming hostile towards Israel while arming and giving money to muslim countries.. as GOD told us if your against Israel your against GOD…Surely the time is coming when the LORD will show his wrath…

  • Gerry, I love you, man! If you really want and seek the truth, then I would recommend you go to the Last blog about the Pope with Islam on this site, and do the study that D City and I done on all the subject matters of the end time. They include the origin of the beast, the rapture, the Harlot of Rev. 17 and the 3 1/2 year great tribulation period. There, we have done a thorough open Bible discussion. Thanks.

  • There is a great deal of good discussion on this site about the Biblical events we can expect to see soon. But I don’t understand the constant wrangling among Pre-, Post-, and Mid-Trib believers. We won’t know what is going to happen until it happens. What does it matter who is right? When I taught Bible classes in a Christian high school, the teachers did the same thing. We never came to a conclusion there, either. We finally decided to wait until the big event! Why don’t we just discuss the known FACTS, and leave the unknown alone? Since when do we speculate on the Bible? What does it matter? The only thing that matters is that we are all right with the Lord, that we are saved, and when He calls we are ready to go with Him to Paradise. Even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus.

    • If teachers were adapt at implementation they would not be teaching. The answers are always clear and simple. 🙂

      The Lord told us cause he wanted his children to know exactly when. Anything other then what the Lord said has no business being falsely represented in Gods word.

      With that said not one verse says anything about being pulled out, raptured, gathered BEFORE the tribulation. Not one verse. Anyone arguing that fact is clearly either an idiot or someone who is not listening or working in the best interest of the Lord and his word. Idiots will have grace, the others well the Lord says exactly what happens to them. 🙂

      May the Lord have mercy on the souls who say what the Lords word does not say. Know that I am praying for you night and day.

    • The whole reason for the Lord telling us what would happen before and as it happens is so that we would know. 🙂 Attempting in any way to circumvent, work around, say things that the Lords word does not say, or omitting parts of scripture is not working with the Lord but against what he has clearly said. 🙂

    • Why did God give us his word for if what you say is true? Jody If we are not to know then we might as well burn our Bibles, God forbid.

  • KNOWN facts! The Lord not once, not even one single time said anything about not suffering persecution/tribulation. MANY MANY MANY TIMES THE LORD SAYS WE WILL SUFFER persecution/tribulation (defined by Jesus in Matthew 13:21 🙂 )

    Not once does the Lord ever say anything about being pulled out, gathered together, caught up, raptured BEFORE tribulaion/persecution. Again not one time in the bible.

    However the Lord clearly said many many many times we shall see and suffer persecution/tribulation and told us that we should not be offended and that many people regardless of being told would be offended and even told us what they would do after being offended. 🙂

    The Lord also clearly stated a gathering together after tribulation. 🙂


  • What fascinates me about this is the number of Bible-believing Christians who equate BO to the Antichrist. A significant number beyond that say he is not the Antichrist but clearly an antichrist. Never in my 35 years of following end times prophecy has anyone even remotely identified the Antichrist. There was always speculation but the end answer always was that he would come out of Europe. How things have changed as the picture gets clearer. Whether or not BO is the Antichrist or just in league with the Destroyer, end times events have moved from theory into imminency. The stage is set.

    • The Pope is the antichrist. The book of Revelations makes that clear.

      • BCEL, I’m sorry what chapter and verse? I must of missed something, the thousands of times I’ve been over it.

    • According to Daniel, the tribulation period is the 2nd half of the 7 year treaty block. Also Jesus said that the tribulation follows the abomination of desolation, not prior. Anyway, it all ties into the third temple vision. And that reality is surfacing nowadays.

      Personally I believe that the abomination of desolates relates to the elites NWO. Also the image to the beast in Revelation 13. The evidence is quite clear on this, if one simply examines the facts. The pyramid with evil eye symbol or logo of the NWO. And on the US $1 bill, among other places; media, logos, etc.

      Also I believe that Obama is the king of the 1st beast system (government), and that Francis I is the false prophet of the 2nd beast system (religion). The RFID chip is the population enslavement plan (economy). The FEMA camps will be the execution zones for NWO rebels (beheaded). Again the evidence is crystal clear, if one only does the research.

      • Obama is not the antichrist, Mark. Dan chapter 8 & 11 tells us he will come from Turkey or Syria, old world maps, This covers Lebanon, on todays land. He must also be an Assyrian, and King of Persia. He will rule the Middle East, but his power shall be world wide through his trade policies. But you are very right on the Trib period, brother. Amen!

        • Ron, that may or may not be true, as we don’t yet know Obama’s origins. The Obama birth certificates are proven forgeries, that much we do know.

          Also are you not aware that Obama’s Chicago zip code is ironically 60606? Coincidence? I doubt it.

          Also you may be surprised to learn that Obama was actually once Osama in disguise, whom was from the east. Their natural facial features match perfectly, it’s uncanny actually. Google Obama Osama 😉

          Anyway, this stuff is all set up, by the elite Illuminati. In fact America was created by them, to bring about the NWO. America is founded on Freemasonry, and that’s a fact.

          Also the Pope switch-over was set up by same elite faction, and no coincidence that the new Jesuit Pope was elected on 3/13/2013.

          Stranger things lie ahead my friend. What most folk don’t know, is that Francis I chose his name for good reason…

          Francis (Latin: Franciscus [franˈtʃiskus], Italian: Francesco [franˈtʃesko], Spanish: Francisco [fɾanˈsisko]; born Jorge Mario Bergoglio[b] on 17 December 1936) is the 266th and current Pope of the Catholic Church, elected on 13 March 2013. As such, he is Bishop of Rome, the head of the worldwide Catholic Church and sovereign of the Vatican City State.
          Born in Buenos Aires of Italian descent, Bergoglio worked briefly as a chemical technician before entering seminary; he was ordained in 1969. From 1973 to 1979 he was Argentina’s Provincial superior of the Society of Jesus, became Archbishop of Buenos Aires in 1998, and was created cardinal in 2001. Following the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI, on 13 March 2013 the papal conclave elected Bergoglio, who chose the papal name Francis in honour of Saint Francis of Assisi. Bergoglio is the first Jesuit pope; the first pope from the Americas, and the first pope from the Southern Hemisphere.

          St. Francis of Assisi (Italian: San Francesco d’Assisi, born Giovanni di Pietro di Bernardone, but nicknamed Francesco (“the Frenchman”) by his father, 1181/1182 – October 3, 1226)[3][4] was an Italian Catholic friar and preacher. He founded the men’s Order of Friars Minor, the women’s Order of St. Clare, and the Third Order of Saint Francis for men and women not able to live the lives of itinerant preachers followed by the early members of the Order of Friars Minor or the monastic lives of the Poor Clares.[5] Though he was never ordained to the Catholic priesthood, Francis is one of the most venerated religious figures in history.[5]

          Note that both Francis I and his namesake are of Italian descent. And is not Italy in Rome? Also note that his idol’s middle name is Peter in English. So do we have our Peter the Roman or not? I suspect definitely 😉

          Watch and learn about Mystery America…

          • 2012-???? Obama Antichrist ? (Check This out)- Time is Close! (666)


            Question: How can I embed videos?

          • Never mind.. seems url does it 😉

          • Mark, I really don’t watch many Videos. They can poison your mind with all kinds of unwanted things and some will stick. It’s just like pretrib doctrine, those people have gotten things stuck in their heads and they can’t get them out. Things like that, I try to avoid. I’m mostly, no book but the Bible kind of guy. I’ll take a little history and science if it seems logical and that’s about it. I believe about 10% of what I hear, and trust no man to lead me in the word of God unless God reveals that I can.

          • If you’re going to fantasize, fantasize about heaven, Mark. Why would you want Obattyma, in it anyway. I sure don’t want him in my fantasies.

  • Gerry

    Thanks Ron

  • Gerry

    Ron do you have the link by any chance?
    Thanks again brother?

    • Thank you, Gerry. Pray for understanding. Leave your mind open to Him. 3 pages back for HOME Page, NTEB March 26th Is Pope Francis Forming An Alliance with Islam. Has over 1000 comments. And also 7 pages back March 9th, ACLU Has Concerns Over Military Weapons Used By Local Police. Check it Out. I don’t believe you will be disappointed. Make sure you do open bible, brother, to receive clarity. God Bless you.

  • Obama’s not the Anti Christ, though he is a puppet for the Anti Christ the Roman Papacy.

    • Watch above video, and you may want to change your thoughts on matters 😉

  • if your going to claim that the pope is going to be the Antichrist, please give some scripture, after listening to TBN and listening to their prophecy opinions, I heard that this pope was the final pope? the final conclave?? I see more clearly. Irvin baxter I beleive is wrong. I do not think that the second coming and the rapture or translation of the saints occur simultaneously at the end of the 7 year tribulation period. I beleive that scripture states that 2 will be in the field and one will be taken and the other left behind, post tribbers fail to mention these scriptures. and on the tv show they never mentioned 2thess or any of the others that refer to a rapture

    • Revelation 13:18 it says, “Count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man; and his number is 666. April 15, 1915 issue of Our Sunday Visitor states: “The letters inscribed in the pope’s miter are these: VICARIUS FILII DEI, which is Latin for Vicar of the Son of God. Let’s do it now and see what we find. Remember the Roman numerals you learned in school? V=5, I=1, C=100, A=0, R=0, I=1, U=5, S=0, F=0, I=1, L=50, I=1, I=1, D=500, E=0, I=1 Total 666

      “U” and “V” have the same value. Look in your encyclopedia under alphabet. One example is that on the “Arch of Titus” in Rome, it says, “Titvs” using “v” for a “u”. Go to Reg6.com for more information and always pray for guidance before beginning your studies.

      • The Pope is a puppet alright, he’s the decoy. All your ducks, keep your eye on those ducks down there in the pond, and you won’t see the hunter.

      • BCEL, you need to learn to read before you learn to count. People I’m not trying to be mean to anyone. I love you all. But you don’t have long, you had better get prepared for the times ahead. You had better seek God and grow strong in your faith. You will need all of it that you can get, to endure until the end. Anything you can do, do it. But it is more important to be ready spiritually, than physically.

    • Quoting Helen “I do not think that the second coming and the rapture or translation of the saints occur simultaneously at the end of the 7 year tribulation period.”

      Jesus’s words 🙂
      (Matthew 24:29 KJV) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
      (Matthew 24:30 KJV) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
      (Matthew 24:31 KJV) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

      One taken and one left is the parable of wheat and tares. The tares are taken. Ultimately we do not leave the earth. The Lord comes to earth and resides with us. We meet him as he comes in.

      Just the same as in the ancient times when you go to a place and they know your coming they come out to meet you and greet you and escort you to where your going. 🙂

      • By the bible, this is simply not true context D City dude ;-( The church is caught up into the air to meet Jesus in the air (sky above), not on earth below. Later Jesus and we saints appear at the end of the tribulation unto the world to establish the kingdom on earth.

        There are definite stages to the resurrections. The 1st stage is the church (1 Cor 15). The 2nd stage is the old testament and tribulation saints. (1st resurrection) Followed by millennial reign on earth. The 3rd stage is the worldly bunch (all of the remaining dead), which occurs after millennium. (2nd resurrection) Followed by the GWT judgment. Afterwards is new heaven and earth for the saved order. The End!

        P.S You need to get your biblical perspectives straight 😉

        • That’s a lot of raptures, Mark. would you suppose, they all might be just one. What is the purpose of so many? O, it’s to prove a theory. Gotcha!

          • Ron, scripture declares there are two resurrections (types); just (1st), unjust (2nd). It does not say there are only two deliverance events. Rather there can’t be that only, and that’s where the whole resurrection thing gets lost with believers.

            As 1 Cor 15 clearly declares, the very first holy event will be the rapture of the church. In Revelation 14, it first implies the church (144k group), then comes the tribulation martyrs (great multitude). My scripture oriented video set on topic…

          • Scripture does no such thing, Mark. That is your doctrines theory. The word says something else. First Resurrection = Those that overcome the beast. Second resurrection= those that where the rest of the dead. Rev. 20:4,5 and Rev. 20:15. The only ones going to heaven are the martyrs. And the rest of the dead will be judged after the 1000 years. That is what scripture declares.

          • Read Romans 11 Ron. The church is rooted in Israel. Things began with the 12 tribes, then came the 12 apostles. Finally the church, represented by the symbolic 144k figure.

            Also 1 Corinthians 15. The rapture is the 1st resurrection begun. The trib saints and old testament Jews comprise the latter part of 1st resurrection. The church is not subject unto the beast, his number, nor his mark.

        • Lets talk perspectives shall we

          You have posted information from the NIV translation of bible. You came with a whole study from a corrupted scripture. Then your telling me to get my perspective straight. May the Lord Have Mercy On You.

          The more they curse me the more I am blessed.


          Bible Gateway.com

          1 John 5:7
          New International Version (NIV)
          7 For there are three that testify:



          1 John 5:7
          King James Version (KJV)
          7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

          What happens when you add or take away from Gods word?

          (Revelation 22:18 KJV) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

          (Revelation 22:19 KJV) And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

          Based on the version your working from. The person who made it. His part has been taken out of the book of life.

          So your following a man who took away words from Gods Book. Then your running around teaching people about righteousness and perspective.

          Looks like we got the real perspective. I just hope you realize that by this I tried to help you. Once you realize your error its up to you to change it. I am praying for you.

      • D city, Mark is right on that one. Only the 144k will left on earth, of God’s people. But what Mark doesn’t understand is we are coming back to reign with Christ, on the earth. Rev 20:4 And what he doesn’t also understand is that this is martyrs, for the most part. The rest of the dead, ” LIVED” not until, after the 1000 years. Rev. 20:5. There is one rapture, Mark, but 2 resurrections. One at Christ’s coming and one after the 1000 years. Not 5, Mark. Just 2.

    • I do in my study Helen. I don’t believe it is correct to add to or take away. Jesus will come at end of trib , As he said in Matt. 24:29-31. And then we will come back at the 7th trumpet(vial) to reign with Christ. And to forever be with the Lord. We are not appointed to Wrath , but wrath is not tribulation. Wrath is 10 times worse. The early church was appointed to tribulation but not wrath. Noah was appointed to tribulation, but not wrath. God bless You all.

      • Ron, Jesus comes before tribulation for church (1 Cor 15)

        Great Tribulation (GT) is not tribulation. We suffer latter since the beginning. The church does not suffer the GT, only tribulation (persecution). There is a HUGE difference between!

        The GT involves; worship of beast, mark of beast, 666. This occurs during END period, and includes wrath. In fact, Satan’s wrath comes first.. the GT, then Gods wrath destroys the NWO, and all followers of it.

        My friend, the END will be no mystery game, no public trickery. The populace will then be aware of things, and many will choose martyrdom, as opposed to enslavement. The world then will not be like the world of today. Freedom will be fully gone. There will be only 2 choices, allegiance to the NWO beast system or death. End of story! Remember Hitler and the holocaust? The RFID chip, and FEMA camps are real, not fantasy! These elements are of the END stage. Watch my newer video set (5 parts) below, and then we’ll seriously chat 😉


        • Watch on YT of course, as video truncated here 🙁

          • Mark, Matt 24:29 correlates with Rev.6:12. Jesus says in Matt. 24:29 after tribulation, we both know that, but Rev. 6:17 shows the wrath ready to come, Is come meaning it is finally here, after trib. All souls of martyrs go to heaven under the altar, but no one else, Rev 6:9, Rev.7:14, Rev.14:14-15, Rev. 15:2, Rev 20:4. All saints in heaven, in the whole book, clearly show it is the martyred saints of the tribulation period. Can you show me of any other? O, I forgot it’s a Mystery.

          • Ron, there are two parts to Jesus’ return; for the church (invisible), for the world (visible). The martyrs are the left behind order, they are NOT of the church order like you think.

            The church is the special body of Christ, whereas the martyred saints are collected out of the world later during tribulation. Those whom refuse to worship the beast or receive his mark or number. This latter all occurs during the end segment, which is also divided; Satan’s wrath (tribulation), God’s wrath (bowls).

            P.S. Scripture clearly explains things my friend 😉

        • Mark , OMama, is a bad joke played on the American people. He is not clever enough or smart enough or rich enough to be the antichrist. Dan 7:17 These beast, (which are four), are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

          • Ron, you haven’t a clue about Obama ;-( FYI he is but an elite puppet, as were his colleagues. The elite establish; government, economy, religion. Do you really think you are your own? The elite own us all. They are the bankers and politicians which control the world.. the shadow government.. the Illuminati. Do the research dude!

            Obviously you are completely in the dark on matter, because you simply refuse to peek out from under your KJV bible ;-(

            My friend, if you would but open your eyes, you would see that ancient prophecy is now fulfilling at rapid pace. The 7 trumpets clearly are blowing, and have since either WWI or WWII.. debatable. For certain, the 6th trumpet is about to blow.. WWIII. The evidence is clear on things, both by the bible and by world events. The latter cannot be simply ignored either. Prophecy involves real events, not imaginary ones. The last days began at Pentecost, and end at the rapture. WWII resulted in the re-birth of Israel.. prophetic!


          • Get a Keurig, they don’t burn.

        • Lets talk perspectives shall we

          You have posted information from the NIV translation of bible. You came with a whole study from a corrupted scripture. Then your telling me to get my perspective straight. May the Lord Have Mercy On You.

          The more they curse me the more I am blessed.


          Bible Gateway.com

          1 John 5:7
          New International Version (NIV)
          7 For there are three that testify:



          1 John 5:7
          King James Version (KJV)
          7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

          What happens when you add or take away from Gods word?

          (Revelation 22:18 KJV) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

          (Revelation 22:19 KJV) And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

          Based on the version your working from. The person who made it. His part has been taken out of the book of life.

          So your following a man who took away words from Gods Book. Then your running around teaching people about righteousness and perspective.

          Looks like we got the real perspective. I just hope you realize that by this I tried to help you. Once you realize your error its up to you to change it. I am praying for you.

    • The Pope can’t be the Antichrist, as the Antichrist is a secular king. People have things confused, because they don’t read the prophecies correctly. The Pope is the false prophet (religious order), the Antichrist is the beast (secular order). The term antichrist merely means Christ opposer. And Obama certainly fits that bill 😉 But what about the Pope? See my posts above 😉

  • He is paving The Way for the dumb masses to accept a bold-faced liar. Just look at how attracted the sheep are to him, even though he’s holding shears in both hands.

    • See my posts above, much is explained 😉

      Hint: Obama is the beast king, and Francis I is the false prophet 😉

      Tip: No one is paving any way for anyone anymore, the end time figures and elements are now on the stage. The final act lies on the horizon. Witness Christ with fury!

      • I watched your video, I already knew most of it. It is still insignificant to Oboma, I do not see your point at all. This is not in line with the Bible. You should quit worrying about America and Start reading your Bible more, and trust in God for your faith, Mark. It is in Him that we need to be focusing on not the NEW WORLD ORDER, made up by your kind, to scare people into panic. If you are a sincere true child of God, then perfect love casteth out fear. You should not fear anything. To fear is of satan. It is not from God . Jesus said to fear not. Quit trying to bring people into this fear Epics of yours. We only need to fear God. Yes trouble is coming , but Who can be against us, if God be for us, Amen! The NWO might be something going on, I’m not in denial. But the NWO will give in to the antichrist once he come on the seen. Europe union has nothing to do with it. America has nothing to do with it. Keep your eyes on the Middle East, God’s purpose is to bring Israel to her Knees and turn back to Him. The church saints are going to get caught up in it all. We will suffer at the antichrist’s hands. But that suffering brings so much joy , God’s people know this. much Joy you will inherit. Greatly you will be rewarded.

        • Ron, the bible only gives us prophetic clues, it doesn’t detail reality. You will never understand things if you don’t put the bible and reality together as one.. sorry ;-(

          Everything mentioned in my video ties into the end time horror. It’s just that now we see the fruition of what the ancients foretold.

          On the contrary, America is noted significantly in prophecy. It is Mystery Babylon the Great.. the evidence clearly declares it! It is also the ‘eagle wings’ of Daniel 7.

          Don’t kid yourself otherwise dude. Every major world player* is noted in the prophecies; Great Britain (lion), America (eagle), Russia (bear), Germany (leopard), France (rooster), China (dragon).

          *The clues are in the national identities. The ancients only saw the visions, we now see the reality unfolding, exactly as it would be 😉

          • So, I see what you are saying “the Bible is not reality “. Is that correct?

          • I’m saying that prophecy is often symbolic. It represents reality in figurative language. It can’t be always taken literally, or the message is lost. The book of Revelation is a book of symbols and visions.

            To try and read it with a literal approach defeats the purpose. You can never properly interpret it that way. Even John was enlightened by angels as to part of it’s riddles. Likewise was Daniel.

          • Sorry there o boy I disagree with that. You and I will never see to eye on this earth, at lest not until trib starts.

          • The Bible was given by God to be the road map to lead us home, If you Eat other bread and mix it with God’s word, you will end up like this poor fellow. The Bible makes sense if you take it literal to begin with and let God show you the rest. The whole Bible is very real . It all makes sense to me. God is not the author of confusion. His word is a lamp to my feet. Depend on it, people.

    • Catholics are not sheep, they are idolaters. The sheep hear His voice. not that of his earthly mother.

  • cliche

    President Barack Obama is not the false prophet either..he is just a stepping stone for them….and there is going to be a rapture…for me and other believes ….
    P.s. sorry to disappoint you

    • O’bobblehead (commander-n-theif) is merely a poster child and symbol of the decline of moral and loyalty trends in society that will continue to grow worse from now to the very end.

      He is a small sign of what will only continue to grow worse from here on out.

    • Rapture before trib , wouldn’t disappoint me none, I would more than welcome it. It’s easier to say,” I’m wrong”, than to suffer or die for Christ. That would be real easy.” You so called Christian, not willing to lay your life down, what kind of Christians are you anyway”, that’s what Paul would say to you. Get some meat, people. You will need it for the times ahead.

      • A little secret from a seemingly little read scripture…

        1Cr 15:22-26 KJV – For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

        As I stated prior, the post trib rapture theory is a fallacy, and the absolute biblical truth of it being so is in the above passage concerning the first resurrection event!

        The rapture precedes the time of the end. Can you not see this clear fact? Continuing with related scripture…

        Rev 10:7 KJV – But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

        Rev 11:15 KJV – And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

        Hint: The seventh angel declares the rapture and tribulation 😉

        • 7th angle sounded is The end of God’s wrath. it is done, the mystery is known, all things are. At that point we will be with Christ. Time line ! You are way off. You can not make sense with that time line. Would you like the correct time line, Brother Mark? You are making the Tribulation saints go through the wrath of God, how absurd. If God seal the Jews to escape wrath, then why would he make trib saints suffer it.. Don’t you know Trib saints will be full of the Holy Ghost and Fire. Don’t you know they shall be very Precious in his sight. Don’t you know They shall do great Expliots. Now why would God destory them. Your whole theory has holes all over it. The rain didn’t come before Noah get his ship built. But you are saying that about the saints of God. Why don’t you give us a good lesson on what your time line is. No videos please.

          • WRONG! The seventh angel trumpet is the beginning of the end, not the ending of it ;-( The tribulation saints are all physically killed by the beast, they all die during tribulation portion. The wrath of God is poured out on the beast and his kingdom afterwards.

            Also God didn’t/doesn’t seal the Jews, God seals the church (both Jew and Gentile believers)…

            2Cr 1:22 KJV – Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

            Eph 1:13 KJV – In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

            Eph 4:30 KJV – And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.


          • Not wrong, 7th trumpet it is finished Rev. 10:7*** 7th trumpet time no longer Rev. 10:6************* 7th trumpet kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord; and He shall reign for ever and ever Rev.11:15.*************************** Now that sounds to me that, that is the sum of it all. It is Over , Done, and Finished. You can not add anything else. The mystery is finished.

          • You are reading things literally, and that’s never going to work dude ;-(

            The phrase ‘time no longer’ doesn’t mean that the game is over. It merely implies that the wait for the 7th angel blast is near to it’s end. Read the context 😉

            The phrase ‘mystery of God is finished’, likewise doesn’t mean it’s all over either. It merely implies that the ‘mystery’ is over, all has been revealed. Again, please read the context 😉

            And note how chapter ends…

            Rev 10:11 KJV – And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

            Hint: If it’s all over and done, what’s the point of continued prophesying?

          • He was talking to John, Prophesying to you and me.

        • Mark, you need to learn the basics, before you can show any secrets.

    • See my posts above 😉

  • I can’t even imagine a more accomplished LIAR than BO, but the AntiChrist will put this clown to shame.

  • Scary thought huh Mark! But you’re right.

  • Barry O is ANTI-CHRIST, but he is not the Anti-Christ!

    • Well said KB.

    • On the contrary KB, see my posts above 😉

      Hint: The Antichrist is a secular king (Dan; 8 & 11). Obama is the secular dictator to come.. the 8th king of Revelation!

      • Mark the 8th king, is the 7th king, the only difference is the 8th is possessed by satan.

        • Ron, as Jesus was God incarnate, the final evil king will be Satan incarnate.. not just a devil possessed man.

          Is he or is he not Obama? We don’t yet know who he is to be, as the evil revealing event has not yet occurred. But I do believe that the ‘abomination of desolation (aod)’ implies the exposing dark hour. Facts on aod; it will be visible, it will be a terror.

          There will be no mystery in the end segment, as declared by the 7th angel. The 7th trumpet is the deliverance of the kingdom (rapture), and the beginning of the great tribulation.

          Just look at it logically? Following the rapture event will be instant global chaos; driverless vehicles, dissolved businesses, broken families, etc. These are undeniable facts my friend 😉

          • Mark The & trumpets are the wrath of God. Are you saying the wrath comes then tribulation? Please explain to me what you are saying.

          • No Ron, Satan’s wrath comes first, then comes the wrath of God. Scripture declares fact 😉

            Uhmm… the trumpets are NOT the wrath of God, the bowls are.. geesh! The trumpets are merely judgment events. Warnings to the world that the end is coming.. drowse time is over.

            Like when ancient Jericho fell. First the 6 days, then on the 7th day, the city is destroyed. Likewise in Revelation trumpets. The first 6, then on the 7th period, the world is destroyed 😉

            Note: Trumpets are used biblicly to signal events; wars, feasts, etc. And even today trumpets precede wars? Not sure about every instance though. But bugle blasts are used in the military, for varies reasons.

          • The Trumpets and the Vial are the same. 1st trumpet = 1st vial, 2nd trumpet = 2nd vial, 3rd trumpet = 3td vial, ect. The time line follows this to perfection. Check it out. Read them for yourself. They are spirit, they are life, they are truth. Run to and fro and knowledge will increase.Dan 12:4. Read them to and fro and knowledge will increase, then you will see. Are you to lazy to? What would it be worth to you to know truth. Would you pay a big price for it. It is here in this Book before you. Look for yourself. Study it if you want to see, the truth. God bless you, Mark.

          • No Ron, the trumpets are NOT the vials (or bowls). The trumpets are NOT wrath, they are judgments. Wherever your getting your info from it is just plain wrong. I give you proper scripture, and you can’t seem to even grasp that ;-(

            Anyway, below I will list what each trumpet means, as per my research knowledge aspect.

            Trumpet 1 = WWI (the first big war)
            Trumpet 2 = WWII (the first big bombs)
            Trumpet 3 = Chernobyl (Wormwood)*
            Trumpet 4 = Pollution (global issue)
            Trumpet 5 = Saddam (the Destroyer)**
            Trumpet 6 = WWIII (future Mideast battle)
            Trumpet 7 = Christ (deliverance & tribulation)

            *The Ukrainian word Wormwood means Chernobyl in English.

            *Saddam was labeled the destroyer by his mother, due to difficult birth issue.

          • Hog wash! Mark. The first seal hasn’t been opened yet. But it is due any day, now.

          • Hog Wash! Adding to the book of Revelations is a big mistake.

  • This should be a clue unto many mystery things? ;-)…


    • Mark, you know just enough to be dangerous. No wonder 1/4 of Americans believe this junk. When we see O bamy become king of Persia we will believe you, brother. Until then, keep your eyes on the Middle East.

      • Where in scripture does it state that the Antichrist will be a Persian king?

        • Mark Daniel 11:2

          • Ron, you don’t know your bible nor history either ;-( Everything below and much more from Dan 11 is now history. Let me try to enlighten you 😉

            Dan 8:19 KJV – And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

            Note: The prophecy begins regarding Daniels time, has nothing to do with modern Persia.

            Dan 8:20 KJV – The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.

            Daniel lived during these and the Babylonian kings; Nebuchadnezzar, Belshazzar, Darius, Cyrus,.. bible history 😉

            Dan 8:21 KJV – And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

            The first Greek king was Alexander the Great. After his untimely death, his kingdom was then divided among his 4 generals.. that’s known history 😉

            Dan 8:22 KJV – Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

            From this dramatic event, much time passes, as these 4 kingdoms reign. Detailed in Dan 11. Then we come to modern times. The time of Antichrist rule… modern bible knowledge 😉

            Dan 8:23 KJV – And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

            The above briefly glimpses the Antichrist. Then in Daniel 11, things are greatly expounded and detailed.

            Hint: We are now in the latter parts of Daniel 8 & 11, the time of Antichrist rule. Mark my words my friend 😉

            Dan 11:2-4 KJV – And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia. And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will. And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.

            As you can see, the same as in Daniel 8 (first part).

            Note: Daniel died before Alexanders reign, but he still saw the vision of it. Just as he saw the vision of our time.

          • So what is your point? I understand this. Have for decades.

          • My point is that the Antichrist is NOT a Persian king by Daniel 11. All those kings are history. Therefore Obama could easily be the last king, and all signs point to possibility. Time will tell though 😉

          • 4 times Dan 8 says at the end time, Mark. You fell for satans, deception of repeating God. Antiochus Epliphane was satan’s answer to this vision and you fell for it.

    • Mark Lets talk perspectives shall we

      You have posted information from the NIV translation of bible. You came with a whole study from a corrupted scripture. Then your telling me to get my perspective straight. May the Lord Have Mercy On You.

      The more they curse me the more I am blessed.


      Bible Gateway.com

      1 John 5:7
      New International Version (NIV)
      7 For there are three that testify:



      1 John 5:7
      King James Version (KJV)
      7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

      What happens when you add or take away from Gods word?

      (Revelation 22:18 KJV) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

      (Revelation 22:19 KJV) And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

      Based on the version your working from. The person who made it. His part has been taken out of the book of life.

      So your following a man who took away words from Gods Book. Then your running around teaching people about righteousness and perspective.

      Looks like we got the real perspective. I just hope you realize that by this I tried to help you. Once you realize your error its up to you to change it. I am praying for you.

  • Mark you info is from corrupted bibles. NIV and NLT are severly twisted bibles with many hugely important verses left out of each of those bibles. Uggg!!!!!

    These bibles have left out many many many whole verse and parts of verses and some whole sections of verses are taken out of the bible part and put into the note parts at the bottom. Uggggggggg it drives me crazy to see this stuff.

    • I hate it too, D city. These versions need to be burnt.

    • My friend, no bible version is perfect, including the KJV ;-(

      Anyway, the NIV and NLT are indeed worded differently, but in most case the message content is the same. I use both (sometime NKJV) and have compared all side by side. And one can always refer to Strong’s if unsure of certain elements?

      Personally I prefer the NLT, as it is much easier to read and understand in general. It’s written in a language style I’m familiar with.. plain English.

      In contrast, the KJV is written in Old English, which is a read struggle, especially in complex passages. Also it has many unfamiliar terms and usage, obsolete in modern English language.


      1Th 4:15 KJV – For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

      1Th 4:15 NIV – According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.

      1Th 4:15 NLT – We tell you this directly from the Lord: We who are still living when the Lord returns will not meet him ahead of those who have died.

      Each bible version proclaims the exact same thing, but notably the last version makes the most sense to a lay person.. do you not agree?

      So I say don’t knock it till you give it a chance to prove itself 😉 It’s kind of like Mac vs. PC battle ground. I’ve used both, but prefer PC, as more software applicable.

      • Please Mark refer to the King James Version, on this Site. Thank you.

        • As you wish Ron, but only in my direct posts. I can’t change what versions might be used in external web links.

      • Really each bible claims the exact same thing?

        Bible Gateway.com if you do not have corrupted bibles sitting in front of you to compare to KJV.

        1 John 5:7
        New International Version (NIV)
        7 For there are three that testify:

        1 John 5:7
        New Living Translation (NLT)
        7 So we have these three witnesses[a]—

        1 John 5:7
        King James Version (KJV)
        7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

        So the NIV and NLT say the same thing huh? They left out the entire God Head from the verse.

        More on the NLT version that in plain english leaves out, omits and changes Gods word.

        Deuteronomy – “sodomite” changed to “temple prostitute”
        1 Kings 14:24 – “sodomites” replaced with “shrine prostitutes”
        1 Kings 15:12 – “sodomites” replaced with “shrine prostitutes”
        1 Kings 22:46 – “sodomites” replaced with “shrine prostitutes”
        2 Kings 23:7 – “sodomites” replaced with “shrine prostitutes”
        Matthew 17:21 – entire verse omitted
        Matthew 18:11 – entire verse omitted
        Matthew 19:9 – half of the verse is omitted
        Matthew 23:14 – entire verse omitted
        Mark 6:11 – half of the verse is omitted
        Mark 7:16 – entire verse omitted
        Mark 9:44, 46 – entire verses omitted
        Mark 11:26 – entire verse omitted
        Mark 15:28 – entire verse omitted
        Mark 16:9-20 – entire passage is questioned by a footnote that says, “The most reliable early manuscripts conclude the Gospel of Mark at verse 8”
        Luke 4:8 – “get thee behind me Satan” is omitted
        Luke 17:36 – entire verse omitted
        Luke 23:17 – entire verse omitted
        John 1:10 – says God created everything “through” Jesus instead of “by” Jesus as the KJB teaches
        John 1:41 – The NLT leaves out the phrase, “Which is by interpretation, a stone.” Hence, the critical distinction between Peter as “the stone” (Petros), and Jesus as “The Rock” (Petra) is obscured. This was no doubt deliberate to pleases Catholics who falsely teach that Peter is the rock upon which the church is built. The Bible states in no uncertain terms, “For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ” (1st Corinthians 3:11).
        John 3:16 – the all important word “begotten” is omitted, thus denying the deity of Christ
        John 3:13 – “which is in heaven” is omitted John 5:4 – entire verse omitted
        John 7:53 – 8:11 — entire passage is questioned in a note which says, “The most ancient Greek manuscripts do not include John 7:53 – 8:11”
        Acts 8:37 – entire verse omitted
        Acts 12:4 – changes “Easter” to the incorrect “Passover” (See Numbers 28:16,17 and Acts 12:2 in the KJB)
        Acts 17:29 – completely removes the “Godhead”
        Acts 28:29 – entire verse omitted
        Romans 1:20 – completely removes the “Godhead”
        Romans 16:24 – entire verse omitted
        Philippians 2:6 -removes the word “equal,” thus denying Christ’s deity
        Colossians 1:16 – says God created everything “through” Jesus instead of “by” Jesus as the KJB teaches
        Colossians 2:9 – completely removes the “Godhead”
        1 Timothy 3:16 – “God” is omitted, says “Christ appeared in the flesh, thus denying the deity of Christ
        1 Timothy 6:5 – “from such withdraw thyself” is omitted
        Hebrews 1:3 – the all-important words “by himself” are omitted
        1 Peter 4:1 – “for us” is omitted
        1 Peter 4:14 – half of the verse is omitted
        1 John 3:16 -completely removes “the love of God”
        1 John 4:3 – the all-important words “Christ is come in the flesh” are omitted 1 John 5:7-8 — Trinitarian clause omitted
        1 John 5:7 – half of the verse is omitted, thus denying the Godhead
        1 John 5:13 – half of the verse is omitted
        Revelation 1:11 – first half of the verse is omitted
        Revelation 5:14 – “him that liveth forever and ever” is omitted

        Turn back now Mark and read Gods true words. KJV bible only. God Be With You

      • I never knock something I haven’t thoroughly investigated. Mark your on a very dangerous path according the the Lord and his true word. I am merely trying to help you see. I pray that you will hear. Turn back and away from these TWISTED SCRIPTURE created by satan and his minoins.

  • D city we are getting very close to the pretrib. It should start any day now. When it starts, we should have 3 1/2 years until Trib. Then we will have post trib, and then the rapture. I don’t understand why they make it so complicated, for. It’s so simple.

    • They are all going to find out soon enough Ron. Many will fall away and hate one another and betray one another. Just as bible says they will become offended. The ones that fall away will do so because they were taught a lie. Again they will find out soon enough. Did you read my comments on Mahdi and the antichrist connection. Click on my name to go to the post.

    • I feel like there isn’t enough of me to go around and help all these people. Thats how I feel a lot of the time.

    • Just a sense of humor brother, read a little closer. I had hoped you would of come back on me. Take a stab at it. I have been deep into 1Thess. 4:13-17. Hope to clarify soon. It appears they twist for profit, in which, we know they do. It would be good to prove it. I guess from what they are saying we go to heaven when we die. Is it your understanding, that’s what, they say? I know we are taught that from birth. But that is not Bible. They teach our souls will come back, to meet the body, with the Lord at his coming, out of Heaven, just as I do, but instead of just the martyrs, they say all believers. But God’s Word says a lot different. It’s funny how we supposed to imagine things that are not written about. It’s all in faith you know, Let’s see, a mystery. That’s it, a mystery. No wonder, they say it doesn’t matter which way it is, we will know when it happens. It’s like pulling a rabbit out of a hat, for them. I’m here to help brother, My comment are sometimes said for a purpose, take no offense of me, brother. I will get to Mahdi, soon. But poison is poison, I prefer pure meat. But it is good to know their poison, for teaching purposes. Answer: post trib is the rapture. #84 Just my dark sense of humor, again, brother. Jesus said ‘Peace I give to you”.

    • Ron Murphy:

      D city we are getting very close to the pretrib. It should start any day now. When it starts, we should have 3 1/2 years until Trib. Then we will have post trib, and then the rapture. I don’t understand why they make it so complicated, for. It’s so simple.

      Not according to scripture. The post trib rapture theory is a falacy my friend. Were it true, then grace salvation would be a mute point. The church is spared the time of the end, the future tribulation saints are not spared of it.

      • Mark, It’s not trib that’s spared. It’s wrath. You already agreed that Great tribulation is not in the First 3 1/2 years of the indignation. That’s a good start. Now Explain to me the difference between Matt 24:29 and Rev. 6:12. and we can move on with this. Are they the same or not? I await your answer.

        • Mark, Jesus said in Luke 21:36, “pray that you may be accounted worthy to escape ALL THESE THINGS that shall come to pass. Now look at verse 26, brother. The word is used again THOSE THINGS. This is after the rapture and correlates with Rev. 6:15-16. Jesus said in verse Luke 21:28 And when THESE THINGS *begin* to come to pass, then look up. What things, Mark? The things in verse 21:25.

          • Matt 24:29 said THESE THINGS in Luke 21:25 are after tribulation.

          • Ron, Jesus also was sent to save the Jews, NOT the gentiles. His church was a Jew church, he did not know of the church of today, as it was a concealed mystery until Paul’s revelation of it unto the church.

            My friend, the things Jesus predicted on the mt. are happening today; wars and rumors, earthquakes, famines, pestilences, etc. Look around you for a change, the ‘beginnings of sorrows’ 😉

            These are the very signs he told us to watch for, as they signal the prelude unto his coming. And these signs and more will continue to increase in intensity unto the very hour of his arrival.

          • I have nothing more to say to you, Mark. You are educated into nothing. I will pray for you, for it will take more than human intervention for you, my Friend. Any man proclaiming Jesus to be God incarnated, and then turn around and say he didn’t know the church of the future, has a loose screw or two. D City are you a Mechanic!

          • Matthew 16:18, Matthew 18:17 Matthew 21:43, 2Tim. 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, “Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

          • I already proved he is getting his info from corrupted versions of the bible. Tools used by satan to deny the God Head.

            He openly admitted stating they say the same things.

            Not only does it not say the same things but the version he prefers cause it supposedly reads better leaves out the God Head but also translates in Californian valley girl slang language or like some teenager on drugs. Its disgusting to twist, make a mockery and leave out whole verses from Gods word.

          • It is disgusting, indeed, to leave out, or twist the Word that gives us life, and life more abundantly! (Bren)

        • Yes they are the same Ron, but the point is irrelevant ;-(

          Rev 3:10 KJV – Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

          The tribulation is noted in the above, and the true church will not suffer it. False churches will though, those that preach other than Jesus Christ grace salvation; Catholic, Morman, JW, etc.

          Anyway, as Revelation 12 declares, the tribulation is Satan’s wrath. Paul states were are saved from wrath period, both Satan’s and God’s. Something tells me you don’t believe in grace salvation? Well my friend, we are living under God’s grace now, whether we believe it or not. And you know the scripture, so no point posting it.

          • Yes, we are getting some where now. Okay, we can agree Great trib starts after 3 1/2 years of antichrist reign ( Indignation). We can agree Great tribulation is the wrath of satan, good. We can agree Matt 24: 29 and Rev. 6:12 are the Same, Great. We are not that far apart, brother, that’s Good. Have you ever thought that maybe the hour of temptation could be the mark of the beast, that we are tempted with? It will be hard on most, even the strongest of Christians, rapture ready or not, it will be tuff. If we keep God’s word, wouldn’t that help to keep us strong in the Lord, to not be tempted so much. Think about it a little.

          • Mark you have to “keep the WORD of his patience first to be kept from the hour”.

            Hope this helps, God Bless. 🙂

  • Ron, Jesus layed down His life so we don’t have to. I have no doubt, He is coming to take us away. I, too, will be glad if you’re wrong. 😉

    • Paul lay down, Peter lay down , thousands have, maybe even a million. Can you say, you are a better Christian? There are good Profits in your faith, and there are good prophets in mine. Believe if you must, but I say be ready, anyway. He will come to take us away, but not our way. Be blessed, brother.

      • Salvation through works, is what I hear you say Ron. You don’t accept the Righteousness we’ve been given as a gift through His death on the cross? That’s sad. I’m not saying I’m a better Christian, I’m saying, I’m saved! Clothed with Righteousness – a gift from Jesus through His finished work on the cross. He has paid in full, nothing more I can say! How things are going to unfold is trivial, just fascinating!

        • What! Were did I say anything about salvation, Rapture has nothing to do with atonement. You brought that into play. I’m talking about being rapture, brother. Do you feel like you are more worthy to be taken out of great tribulation more than, these apostles were? Do you feel you can cheat death? Eve thought she could, too. The biggest problem with your doctrine is your time line. If you get it laid out right, you can see your err. Your doctrine teaches, the trumpet have to sound before the Great tribulation is over. This is err. this shows Tribulation is the wrath of God, not so. Tribulation is not wrath of God. The time line is flawed, because the put it all in chronological order. Read the 7 trumps, Mann. And then read the 7 vials. If you care to know the truth, read and study them thoroughly. Do so from back to front and then front to back. You will begin to understand then , brother.

  • This video is pretty hilarous!!


    • I believe the bible says love one another as in humans. I mean if these shape shifting Mr. Clean characters pop up are they fair game for the non love factor. Technically they are demons right? That means they are fair game I believe.

      • According to the bible, angels can assume human form. And according to the occult, demon entities do appear. So don’t laugh to hard until you know the absolute score. Although reptilian theory can’t yet be proven, I’ve seen some pretty strange videos of shape shifting, which could not be likely faked.

        Anyway, I believe there is more to all this than meets the eye. For certain though, certain celebrity figures such as Beyonce claim demonic possession, and that element is fully biblical.

        Remember this below scripture…

        2Th 2:6-9 KJV – And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

        Remember that Satan and his angels rule this world, as scripture clearly declares. So just what will be revealed? Merely an evil minded human king, or something sinister, something satanic? I believe the latter, however the mystery will remain concealed until the hour of darkness comes unto the world.

        The great tribulation will be far more than mere human horror. It will involve supernatural wonders, as above scripture declares. We don’t see such now, as it all remains hidden until his time of revealing. However we could possibly catch glimpses of things now and then, due to modern media technology.

        • I laugh because it does not worry me one bit. Very true if there is truth to it the it will be revealed in its time.

          I happen to think its quite funny. I have Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior on my side. I am not worried one bit.

          So this stuff is definitely worth a laugh or even two to me. 🙂 God Bless You Brother. 🙂

          • Well, Satan is called the serpent, and possibly that is what it’s all about.. the reptilian thing 😉 From glorious creature, into hideous monster. Just as we believers will be transformed from horrible flesh, into wonderful spirit beings.. in the future resurrection event 😉

            P.S. Christ is indeed the key unto salvation 🙂

  • Oh come on man! Just because video compression makes people look dodgy doesn’t mean they’re shape shifters! When did man become so shallow!? Find real issues…!

    • Mann brother. I understand you have a love for Gods word. But you know nothing about me. NOTHING. I have been commenting here for a long long time. As I have said stick around for a while you might learn something.

      All I do night and day non stop is study in detail GODS WORD. It is what I do and all I do. Just some info about me. It should be all the info you need and pretty much all you will get as I am not here for me. Everything I do is in and for Jesus Christ and his word. I bring many many many facts all the time with much evidence to back it up. I also throw funny stuff into the mix all the time to get people laughing a lot. Again you know nothing about me brother. Stick around though you might gain some insight. God Bless You Brother. 🙂

  • No kidding chief lol I put funny stuff up all the time. lol Stick around you will learn.

    • He’s getting mad at us. We are trying to take his hope away. We are trying to brainwash him. Read the vials and trumpets, then read the trumpets and vials, Mann. Let me know when you do. I offer no video, no books, just the Bible , I know you will believe it.

      • I am refraining from commenting to mann for a bit.

      • Why are you and DCity debating the rapture again?
        There are scriptures that point to a pre-trib rapture if you will just read it. It appears that you two think you have all the end times figured out, but you don’t it’s just the way you interpret it. Maybe we read with guidance from the Holy Spirit just as well as you do.
        God Bless

        • We love the word, Tracy. It is very dear and clear, to us. We are not harming you. Believe what you may. But when it comes time that people will have to endure great tribulation, then they will be glad we spoke of it and they will remember what we said. Who knows, it may cause some, to hang on until the end. Now wouldn’t that be worth something. Don’t discredit what we do, You may be discrediting God’s work. God bless you richly sister. I am spirit filled myself. I trust him For my Knowledge. You will not be quickened by the Spirit, if you fight against the truth. But you bind the spirit from working, if you reject the truth. Don’t go getting me wrong. I have faith in you as far as a Christian filled with the Holy Spirit. If you feel you need to resist our words then so be it. God will judge us, You should not concern yourself with it. Even Paul thought he was doing right, until Jesus appeared to him. The Spirit and the Word must work in unison, to know the truth. God bless all.

        • Tracy for one I haven’t debated the rapture at all. 🙂 So why your consumed with this thought that I am I do not know but it seems to be a serious issue for you.

          Again since you stated non fact, I must point you to truth and fact.

          Not one verse in the bible says anything about us avoiding persecution/tribulation and again not one verse in the bible says anything about us being raptured, pulled out, gathered, collected, caught up before the tribulation.

          Thanks for brining it all up incorrectly so you could hear the truth. God Bless You Tracy 🙂

  • D City, it’s funny how they can ask all kinds of questions but they never answer anything. It hard to answer against the truth. Especially with no Scripture to back it up.

    • The answer to that is simple. You can not fight against the Holy Spirit and win. 🙂

    • Maybe you two need to go back and reread Levi’s post.
      It certainly seemed clear to me. You come off as sounding all-knowing, but no one knows 100 percent the future. Jesus said not to worry, be not afraid, therefore why do you feel as if you need to warn people? For what? Have faith, maybe you misunderstand and are leading people to fear, and that’s not what the Word is about.
      God Bless

      • Tracy, I’ve been the post you recommended, Rapture forums. They are Saying thing about what we believe, that most of us don’t believe. I see that they twist scripture to fit what they want. Their time line sucks. It is so bad they talk like Mark. Is he an editor over there. If you want to see it you will. I think you should try what I did. Throw everything out at let God himself fill you back up, I promise you it works. But if you bring in out side opinions that God didn’t send, then you tie God’s hands to help you. Ask and be patient, the answers will come if you believe. God bless all.

      • Tracy Levi was proven to teach something that went completely against scriptures all together. I cleared that up with scriptures.
        So I had no problem understanding this.

        You seem to be the one having a problem with Ron and myself bringing Gods word. Then you say we are debating.

        Well it doesn’t take a genius to figure out there is no debate in Gods Word. There is only TRUTH.

        So there is TRUTH and then there is that which is NOT TRUE.

        That which is not TRUE = FALSE.

        There is absolutely no debating there at all. If it isn’t truth its false. 🙂

        Your constantly saying well maybe this is how the Spirit (Holy Spirit) leads people and maybe he has lead you to one thing and lead us to another. WELL THATS FALSE if the two things are opposite.

        The Holy Spirit is the comforter, the Spirit of TRUTH. (John 16:13, John 15:26)

        There is TRUTH
        There is that which is NOT TRUTH
        That which is NOT TRUE IS FALSE.

        Secondly you seem to be the one getting upset with Ron and Myself bringing Gods words to people. I never hinder anyone who is seeking truth or bringing Gods words to people. For I know the results can be detrimental to not only them but myself. I make it a habit to not get in the way of the Lord and his words as much as possible. 🙂

        This is why I have not said anything to mannn any further. See I know mann is seeking truth because he has gone into a whole investigation in an attempt to figure out what is happening. When someone does this they are doing it to find truth. So I know that because mannn is seeking truth he will find it cause the bible says so if he is doing it with and through God of course.

        I did mention to mann that because he did not know me and my sense of humor that he was wrong in mis-judging me putting that video up for laughs. He has stated he understands this.

        I did point out to mannn that the info he was accumulating is coming from corrupted bibles. That does not mean his info is wrong but that it is coming from corrupted sources. Merely letting him know he should check into it. I am sure he will look into it to see if it is true. So thats why I have not said anything further to mannn on any subjects he brought up. WHY? Cause he is seeking truth and as long as he is seeking truth he will find it (guided by the Spirit of Truth of course).

        You on the other hand Tracy are constantly trying to stop people from spreading Gods words. Your particularly coming against myself and Ron. Ron has clearly explained why he is trying to prepare people, as have I. I see no harm at all whatsoever in preparing people. Again it is not wise to hinder those who are serving the Lord in the interest of Good. May God Bless & Enrich You With Wisdom, Understanding, & Truth Always My Dear Sister Tracy. 🙂

    • I find that many ask the question but when you answer well thats when you get ostracized lol

  • Ron, D city, it sounds like you guys have a monopoly on end time interpretation. Referring to people that thinks differently as ‘they’. Brothers, guard against pride. I don’t know you well enough to distinguish wether your joking or serious, I’m just saying… We’re all saved by the same Savior and that is the bottom line. We can agree to disagree. And let’s agree that only God knows how it’s really going to happen.

    • There is no pride here Mann all I said to you was the bibles your accumulating information from are severely corrupted. I have said nothing more to you other then explaining to you that you did not understand my sense of humor tied to that video. God Bless You I know you will find truth if you are actively seeking it in and through the Lord.

      I have admitted many many times talking with Ron when I was wrong. Ron has seen this as well. Ron has also several times admitted when he was wrong. I am far from full of pride. God Be With You. Again you should find out first before making false assumptions about people. God Bless Brother 🙂

    • I make it a habit to never agree with anyone who disagrees with Jesus Christ’s words.

      Again not sure about you but I never agree with those who disagree with Gods words. 🙂

  • Mann, Just look at it this away. If The rapture comes before Trib., there isn’t any worries, as long as we are living right. We will all go home and forever be with the Lord. But if thing come about like D City and I, know they will, then there is going to be a lot of people in some serious trouble, what we believe will be the falling away. If they find they have been lied to, and face Trib they will turn on us all. That is Scriptural. We are here to warn people, not argue our point. Points do nothing but, harm. We want people to be ready, no matter what is ahead. Be ready, be prayed up, and prepared for the worst, if it should happen. I would not push so hard at this, if I didn’t think it was necessary. It’s not so much about you, that are strong in the faith, you will probably make it anyway. But others need to know when it seems like they have been betrayed, that they remember someone told them to hold on, it will be worth it. Then my brother it will be worth it to us. God bless you all.

    • Ron,
      Did you notice how that sound. “like DCity and I KNOW they will.” Isn’t that speaking a bit prideful? Be careful, very careful.
      The lost need to hear about salvation and how to open their hearts and souls to accept His free gift and then there will be no need to worry about the great tribulation. Matthew 6:25-34.
      God Bless you Ron

      • Tracy, Just because I’m grounded strongly in the word of God does not mean that I have pride. Pride is when you call someone a fool. I’ve call no one a fool. But I call you brother and sister. That puts me equal to you all. I think myself no better than anyone of you. But maybe I’ve paid a bigger price for what I know. That is no reason to belittle anyone. I have nothing to glory in, You do not know me well enough to judge me. But judge rather the words I speak, if they be of God or not. If you fight the words I say are you fighting against His word, too? Before I say anything against another’s believes I most know the truth. And then I can righteously judge. I’m not perfect or do I claim to be. No one is. But I know there is a way to ask God for things, and it can’t be asked in strife. One must humble themselves before God to receive of Him. These that come against me will not answer my questions, but they want answers. They will not hear, but they teach. I f I answer, so should they. But when they can not they Get angry and curse or call us fools, these are the ones you stand with, Tracy. Why don’t you go judge them?

        • Ron,
          Pride is when you are full of yourself. You said, “Maybe I have paid a bigger price for what I know,” maybe not. How do you know what the rest of us have been through? No, I’m not fighting His word, it’s just that the Holy Spirit has lead me to believe what I believe, and no man can change it. We pre-trib people believe in two different events, the secret rapture of true believers, and the second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ at the end of the tribulation. But, the post-trib people cannot accept that we believe this. Ron, if the true believers (Church) were still here when the anti-Christ came to power then how on earth could he operate? Matthew 5:13 ” Ye are the salt of the earth.” Therefore, when true believers are removed, the earth will be placed into spiritual darkness. The anti-Christ could move with ease then.
          (Romans 16:17)
          This is a good verse for all of us.
          I regret that I allowed myself to get into this discussion again. If I have offended you, please forgive me.
          God Bless you Ron

          • No offence taken, Tracy. So don’t take any from me, please. But the answer to your question is, When people realize they have to go through tribulation and lay down their lives will be when the coming away takes place. There will be about as many Christians left as what you might consider to get saved in tribulation. And wouldn’t tribulation saints be able to stop the antichrist? No, they will not why Because of the falling away for one, the great deception for another, even the elect if it were possible. The elect will be the church , Tracy. The Jews will not get saved until the very end, when they finally realize Jesus was the Son of God. Read Zech 14, you will see the 14000 living there lives as they do now, through the kingdom age. Have children and growing old. That is not allowed for heavenly bodies, that we will have. So who was Matt. 24:31 speaking of, trib saints? Then, why didn’t he just let them, stay like the 144000?

  • Good bye fools ;-(

  • God bless you, Mark. I ‘m praying for you.

  • The minute I bring something to you Ron that is not what you have been taught or learned or heard. What do you do? You search scriptures to see if its true correct?

    I think what we have here is some stubborn people who say thats not what it says, thats not what I heard, thats not what I was taught it says. Rather then actually seeking it out. See the minute you stop seeking it out is the minute your no longer looking for or seeking for or searching for truth. When you stop seeking truth you will not find it nor be helped to find it. Hopefully this helps to gain a better understanding. Even if its something people do not like to hear. God Bless.

  • Well said , brother, Amen!

  • Wow, listen to yourselves! If you want to help ppl, get them turned to Jesus, the message has never been about pre, mid or post trib. It’s about the gospel of Jesus Christ. This ‘we’re right, your wrong’ shouldn’t even be here. I got drawn into this because of my fascination for the subject… To discuss, hear opinions and discuss further. The Word warns us about arguing amongst ourselves. I love to hear all opinions, just don’t tell me “we’re right, you’re wrong, we’re praying for you…” You guys have no idea how self righteous you sound. Please stop it! With these words, I’m withdrawing from this ‘discussion’. No hard feelings!

    • So what your saying it you want to be heard but you do not want to hear us. Right!!!! Or ummmm I mean self righteous. Right!! 🙂

    • (Romans 10:9 KJV) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

      (John 14:23 KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

      (John 14:24 KJV) He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.

      Looks like we are getting people turned to Jesus by teaching people to keep his words. 🙂

      Jesus is the word. 🙂

      (John 1:1 KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

      (John 1:14 KJV) And the Word was made flesh (JESUS CHRIST), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

      (1 John 5:7 KJV) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

      (John 12:48 KJV) He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

      Looks to me like all we are doing is turning people to JESUS CHRIST.

      Thanks Be To My Lord & Savior Jesus Christ For Allowing Me To Show Your Truth & Sharing It With Others. Amen!

    • Well, Mann…that’s just how the (self righteous) Pharisees felt about Jesus, then they had him crucified, the ONE without sin, and the ONE who brought the TRUTH, yet they rejected it. We are not arguing. It seems that the WORD OF GOD stands on it’s own, as we bring it. It seems that you’ all come on here and argue that we’re wrong, and call us names, and so on. Why can’t you let us speak, also? I mean, we love a spirited debate! But it seems that you’all don’t. If you can’t take the heat, you’d better stay out of the kitchen, lol. (Brenda) Ron’s wife.

    • Mann, not everyone has the same calling. Some are evangelists, pastors, teachers, prophets, apostles, musicians, singers, and some are prayer warriors. This nation, for the most part, has heard of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Many still plow the fields. We all should witness to the lost, as I’m sure most of us do, but it is not the calling of all to do. You should not judge the calling of another, when you do not understand it. We are trying to strengthen Christians, not tear them down. If you fall away, from the faith, because of our teaching, then you will have no chance of making it through tribulation, anyway. We have no fear. We know God is with us, even in death. Why do you fear? Is your faith in God? Then there shouldn’t be any fear.

  • Hi Ron and D city! I see you both are hanging in there trying to get people who claim they are believers and believe in the pre-trib to search the scriptures! Fear keeps people from searching for the real truth along with the pride of being wrong about how they have been taught. Starting over after you’ve been taught one way sometimes can be difficult because you trusted the people who taught you one way and now are expected to trust your own searching of the scriptures. ( with the help of the Holy Spirit)

    I was glad that God never allowed me to believe only what was taught by popular evangelists and teachers, but taught me to search out everything they taught to see if it was true or not. I have had that good habit ever since the Lord saved me out of a murder/rapists hands! Praise His Holy Holy Name Brothers!!!! God Bless you Both!!!!

    • Thanks Debra God Bless You!! 🙂

    • Thank you, Debra. My story is much like that, also. I know that once you believe in a certain belief, it is hard to start over again. To begin with, we must love the Word, and we must love God. John 15:7, ” If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.” John 15:10, “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love. John 15:12, “This is my commandment, that ye love one another, as I have loved you.” John 15:17, “These things I command you, that ye love one another.” God bless all.

  • This is Brenda, Ron’s wife. Let me tell you a little story, if I may. Well, my first husband died of cancer, about 5 yrs back. He was my prayer partner, and Bible study partner. We studied a lot, and God opened up a lot of it to us, but we still believed in the pre-tri rapture. Right before he died, he stated that we could be wrong about that. After he died, I kept thinking about what he said to me. I couldn’t get it out of my head. So , I dove into my Bible to search for the truth of the matter, but I wasn’t doing any good, on my own. So I prayed and fasted for an answer. God heard me, but I had to wait a little while on that answer, because it came in the form of Ron Murphy, lol. I was alone, in mourning, for over 2 yrs. in Tenn., then God sent me the answer, and a new man, along with it! Talk about prayers being answered, mine was. Ron and I started a Bible discussion over the phone, and he told me exactly where to go in the Bible to look for the answer to my question, and I saw it, right away, for I was open to it, the truth! It all fell into place, as I hadn’t seen all this before. I was filled with all joy, knowing he truth…..fear is in not knowing the truth, I might add. Thank the good Lord, that he sent me the truth, and helped to get me back into life. HE is the way, and the truth, and the life. Amen.

  • err- pre-tri=pre-trib

  • God Bless You Ron & Brenda. Thats a great experience that you shared.
    The Lord sure does work in mysterious ways. 🙂

  • Amen! And may God bless you, also! We serve a mighty God and Savior!

  • Mann are you swedish? or german>? thats my maiden name. Bless the Lord….

  • Is it easier to have faith that God will lead us through great tribulation, or is it easier to have faith that He will rapture us out? God greatly loves those that have faith in Him. David is a prime example. God is looking for someone who will trust in Him.

  • Its also being heady high minded puffed up.

  • I’m not sure exactly why but this website is loading very slow for me. Is anyone else having this issue or is it a issue on my end? I’ll
    check back later on and see if the problem still exists.

  • The more comments, the slower the loading.

  • Ron Murphy:

    The more comments, the slower the loading.

    Where have you been? And where is city and debra?

  • Ill be on the new post a little later today, I’m not hearing from D City. With the weather, I would guess they are out and about. My time is limited now, also. But I will try to contribute, the best I can. Thanks, Valerie.

  • This is Brenda, Ron’s wife. Just a little food for thought…..Jesus said that He would be with us always, even to the end of the world(age), and He sent the Holy Spirit to comfort us and to guide us…so He would be with us, through the Holy Spirit…unto the end of the world…the Holy Spirit cannot be removed…therefore it is not the restrainer.

  • So ….if the Holy Spirit cannot be removed until the end, then the Holy Spirit-filled church cannot be removed until Christ’s coming, at the end, after the great tribulation. Matt. 24:29-31 KJV

  • I would personally favor Google. Both FB and Google would benefit from it, but we would almost certainly benefit more from Google taking it over. In the case of Google+ it is just a matter of time. Facebook was lucky it didn’t seriously have to compete with something as “good” as facebook, the competition was just lacking a lot of features as well as a global approach.Google+ is excellent to Facebook, but it surely has a bigger challenge to acquire popular.Just check out VHS and Betamax. Betamax was better but lost due to bad marketing/licensing.Danny recently posted..Black & Decker NPP2018 18-Volt Cordless Electric Pole Chain Saw


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