Obamacare Delivers Staggering Knockout Blow To Middle Class

ObamaCare has delivered another sucker punch to the middle class. This time it's sticker shock....

“And here’s what you need to know. First, I will not sign a health care plan that adds one dime to our deficits — either now or in the future. I will not sign it if it adds one dime to the deficit, now or in the future, period”Barack Obama, September 9, 2009

The hard, cold reality of Obamacare is that it adds $6,200,000,000,000.00 to our national deficit. One of the largest, most impactful laws ever to be passed in American history, and it is 100% based upon a lie.

The Week: ObamaCare has delivered another sucker punch to the middle class. This time it’s sticker shock. Now that most people can get past the tech problems of HealthCare.gov and actually see the real cost of insurance plans available, they are finding that Affordable Care is a big hit to the family budget. And when the family budget gets hit in the solar plexus, guess what happens to consumer spending and the economy?


In California, policies for about 900,000 Californians are being canceled because of ObamaCare’s mandates, and about two-thirds of these do not qualify for subsidies, according to The Chicago Tribune. The result: These folks will be paying higher premiums.

In Alabama, premiums have doubled for some middle-class families, like that of Courtney Long, a stay-at-home mother of four. She told WHNT News, “It’s devastating. I started crying.”

“I mean, we have worked so hard to get out of credit card debt, get ahead on the car loan, transfer our mortgage to a 15- from a 30-year mortgage… and for what?”

In Tennessee, GOP Sen. Lamar Alexander issued an analysis of a White House report and found the following:

    • Today, a 27-year-old man in Memphis can buy a plan for as low as $41 a month. On the exchange, the lowest state average is $119 a month — a 190 percent increase.


    • Today, a 27-year-old woman in Nashville can also buy a plan for as low as $58 a month. On the exchange, the lowest-priced plan in Nashville is $114 a month — a 97 percent increase. Even with a tax subsidy, that plan is $104 a month, almost twice what she could pay today.


    • Today, women in Nashville can choose from 30 insurance plans that cost less than the administration says insurance plans on the exchange will cost, even with the new tax subsidy.


    • In Nashville, 105 insurance plans offered today will not be available in the exchange.


In Washington state, ObamaCare will increase the underlying cost of individually purchased health insurance by 34 to 80 percent on average, according to Forbes.

The list goes on and on and includes Texas, Florida, New York, Illinois, Georgia, and North Carolina. But premiums are just the beginning. The deductibles are outrageous, too.

A recent article in The New York Times tells the story of Doug and Ginger Chapman, ages 55 and 54, a middle-class couple “sitting on the health care cliff.” Their annual income of around $100,000 a year makes them ineligible for a subsidy in New Hampshire (if they earned under $94,000, it would cut their costs by half). They have to replace their family insurance which includes the two of them and their two sons. The premium cost alone, not including any deductible, is $1,000 a month, or 12 percent of their income.

The Times‘ analysis found the following:

The cost of premiums for people who just miss qualifying for subsidies rises rapidly for people in their 50s and 60s. In some places, prices can quickly approach 20 percent of a person’s income. Experts consider health insurance unaffordable once it exceeds 10 percent of annual income. By that measure, a 50-year-old making $50,000 a year, or just above the qualifying limit for assistance, would find the cheapest available plan to be unaffordable in more than 170 counties around the country, ranging from Anchorage to Jackson, Miss. [The New York Times]

The other group that gets disproportionately hit is the young, according to Forbes. For a 40-year-old, the 2013 average deductible was $4,045, and the monthly cost increased 29 percent to $309. For a 64-year-old man, the monthly cost of a plan with a $3,494 deductible increased 64 percent to $806.

If even a fraction of the middle class and upper middle income earners divert some of their discretionary dollars to pay for health care, it will have a significant impact on consumer spending. What will that mean for the economy? Consumer spending accounts for about 70 percent of the nation’s GDP, although experts say that number is likely to decline.

The top 20 percent of income earners account for about 40 percent of all spending in the U.S. When you increase the costs of health care and the new taxes associated with ObamaCare, you can hear the wallets closing. source – The Week


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  • Obama is doing what he knows best, screw the americans!

    • You hit it out of the park my man!!

  • Mark Douglas

    And this will be the final death blow to America. Fleece us to try and pay the interest alone on our 16 Trillion ( official released number- probably much higher). It won’t work.

    Bad things are coming. We’re talking massive depression, civil unrest, which will cascade in to a global economic meltdown.

    • MARK D: With the bad things coming, but there is a good thing coming our resurrection to heaven.

  • I am going to have to stop looking at any articles with obamas name attatched, because I am a Christain, and when I see his name it makes me have ungodly thoughts of what I would like to do to him. And I’m sure satan would love that. Aint gonna happen, just wish he was a true American, but we know he isn’t, so thats all I got to say about that.

    • JaY: this might sound crazy to you, but I’m glad all this happening at a rapid pace.

      Because it means, we are getting alot closer until Jesus comes for us!

  • Mark Douglas

    Every law abiding American, this is your Clarion warning to stand to and prepare for what is coming.

    You need to start stock piling food, water, firearms and ammo NOW.
    Having some silver coins around probably won’t be a bad idea since the dollar will be worthless.

    Don’t forget hygiene items : toilet paper, toothpaste, sanitizing wipes, etc.

    Start thinking about forming a neighborhood protection team for when the civil unrest starts.

    Collapse is inevitable.

    When making your plans, assume we will be under martial law. That’s why they have been ramping up ” homeland security” with billions of rounds of ammo,MRAP vehicles, armored checkpoints, etc , ALL For Domestic Use!

    • MARK D: are you scared of your coming death?

      You need to asked God for your protection .

      What happens you store all these things, someone get close to you, and kill you, so what did you gain from all that prepping? LOL

      • STL off topic – Hey man it looks like I may have to fight to stay in again. There is a new hit out on the military to reduce the force. Just got notice. Even though I was MEB’d and officially eligible to return to duty, an new reduction board is looking for heads to chop. I’m so tired of this, it’s in the Lord’s hands and I will do His will. But at 16 years service I want to stay in. I may have to fight now to get all my disability. If there are brother’s and sister’s in Christ here please pray for my family and me that we are allowed to stay active duty.

        • Obama has his own military now,the army he said he wanted,so those of us that have served and are now serving are just cannon fodder for his foreign wars.The more of us he gets killed or crippled,the happier he is.As a believer I don’t have the confidence that some do that the Lord will take the church out before things really get bad,so I just hpe when the time comes we can be strong in the Lord.

          • Yes Glenn, you will be! But always remember this, your reward will be greater than most for enduring that time. That’s what he promised us, that suffer for Him. Also even while we are going through it. It will be well worth it, Brother.

            Dan 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
            Heb 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
            Those who fear to suffer, are turning from the truth of that blessing, but they shall be tried. The whole world will be tried!

            Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world</b., to try them that dwell upon the earth.

          • @Ron,
            I’ve said before, I DON’T know if it is going to be a pre, mid or post tribulation rapture, only God does. But you are taking the entire point wrong. It isn’t FEAR, and isn’t that pre-tribbers think of themselves any better than the early- Christians. That’s what YOU want people to think about pre-tribbers. You’ve pounded that board to death. It’s simply the different interpretation of scripture. That’s it. A true born again believer will gladly give his/her life for Jesus Christ if it comes to that point. You’re not the only one willing to suffer.
            Who are you so concerned about? Why not try and get these people grounded in His Word?
            1Corinthians 10:13 “There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.”
            God is faithful!!!! It just takes FAITH on our part!!!
            Can’t you see that? FAITH is all we need to get us through.

          • May you feel that way, Sister, but I reckon, I would know more about how pretribbers feel about it than you do, I’m on the receiving end of that board! I have faith in you, because you want to believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, but are willing to accept the other ways if need be. But others will threaten to kill you if you tell them that they must suffer! I love you, and it doesn’t matter if you follow me or not, follow Jesus, Tracy. That what I’m trying to show you. He said even if they kill you, you are very blessed, believe it, Sister and don’t fear man! Fear God only! Man can Kill you but that is all. What is so hard to understand about that? Flesh is only flesh, it must die, the soul is forever. Jesus honors those that are willing to suffer or die for Him, God bless you!

          • Puke!

        • I saw something on that John Jr. do whatever you can to stay in there, easy for me to say. My hsbnd ret about 22 yrs or so ago and they were doing it then. Best wishes to you

        • @John,
          I pray that all works out for you and your family.

  • Jkittyc

    Medishare & other similar options are available. For how long, is the underlying question.

  • the future is underground connective tunnels of families, similar to the Vietcong tunnels.

  • Today alone, there could be thousands of people who were insured yesterday but needed healthcare today. Some of them may die because they delayed being seen. The trouble is now with us.

  • On another topic..have you seen todays news saying Ariel Sharon is in critical condition with organs failing? Prophetic…

    • @Ruby,
      Yes, there is something to that being prophetic.

  • Obama To Americans: You Don’t Deserve To Be Free

    Posted on January 2, 2014 by Mark W

    Forbes – by Harry Binswinger

    President Obama’s Kansas speech is a remarkable document. In calling for more government controls, more taxation, more collectivism, he has two paragraphs that give the show away. Take a look at them.

    there is a certain crowd in Washington who, for the last few decades, have said, let’s respond to this economic challenge with the same old tune. “The market will take care of everything,” they tell us. If we just cut more regulations and cut more taxes–especially for the wealthy–our economy will grow stronger. Sure, they say, there will be winners and losers. But if the winners do really well, then jobs and prosperity will eventually trickle down to everybody else. And, they argue, even if prosperity doesn’t trickle down, well, that’s the price of liberty. Continue reading →

  • If I ever knew this I lost the info in my loose brain
    United States. 1st was illegally suspended in favor of a Vatican “Crown” corporation in 1871

    Posted on January 2, 2014 by Cathleen


    Since 1871 the United States president and the United States Congress has been playing politics under a different set of rules and policies. The American people do not know that there are two Constitutions in the United States. The first penned by the leaders of the newly independent states of the United States in 1776. On July 4, 1776, the people claimed their independence from the Crown (temporal authority of the Roman Catholic Pope) and Democracy was born. And for 95 years the United States people were free and independent. That freedom ended in 1871 when the original “Constitution for the United States for America” was changed to the “THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA”.

    The Congress realized that the country was in dire financial straits, so they made a financial deal with the devil – the Crown (a.k.a. City of London Corporation – est. by the Catholic Church on Jan 1, 1855 ) thereby incurring a DEBT to the Pope. The conniving Pope and his bankers were not about to lend the floundering nation any money without some serious stipulations. So, they devised a way of taking back control of the United States and thus, the Act of 1871 was passed. With no constitutional authority to do so, Congress created a separate form of government for the District of Columbia.

    With the passage of “the Act of 1871” a city state (a state within a state) called the District of Columbia located on 10 sq miles of land in the heart of Washington was formed with its own flag and its own independent constitution – the United States’ secret second constitution.

    The flag of Washington’s District of Columbia has 3 red stars, each symbolizing a city state within the three city empire. The three city empire consists of Washington D.C (the D.C. stands for District of Columbia)., City of London Corporation, and Vatican City State. City of London Corporation is the corporate center of the three city states and controls the world economically. Washington D.C. is in charge of the military, and the Vatican controls it all under the guise of spiritual guidance. Although geographically separate, the city states of; City of London Corporation, the Vatican and the District of Columbia are one interlocking empire called “Empire of the City”

    The constitution for the District of Columbia operates under tyrannical Vatican law known as “Lex Fori” (local law). When congress illegally passed the act of 1871 it created a corporation known as THE UNITED STATES and a separate form of government for the District of Columbia. This treasonous act has unlawfully allowed the District of Columbia to operate as a corporation outside the original constitution of the United States and in total disregard of the best interests of the American citizens.

    POTUS is the Chief Executive (President) of the Corporation of THE UNITED STATES – operating as the CEO of the corporation. POTUS governs w/a Board of Directors (cabinet officials) and managers (Senators and Congressmen/women). Barack Obama, as others before him, is POTUS — operating as “vassal king” – taking orders once again from “The Crown” through the RIIA (Royal Institute of Intl Affairs). The Illuminati (founded by the The Society of Jesus or Jesuits, the largest Roman Catholic Religious Military Order headed by the Black Pope) created the Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIIA) in 1919. The American equivalent to the RIIA is the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR). The RIIA and CFR set up Round Table Groups (based on the King Arthur myths).

    What did the Act of 1871 achieve? The ACT of 1871 put the United States back under Crown rule (which is Vatican rule). The United States people lost their independence in 1871.

    THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is the constitution of the incorporated UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. It operates in an economic capacity and has been used to fool the People into thinking it governs the Republic. It does not! Capitalization is NOT insignificant when one is referring to a legal document. This seemingly “minor” alteration has had a major impact on every subsequent generation of Americans. What Congress did by passing the Act of 1871 was create an entirely new document, a constitution for the government of the District of Columbia, an INCORPORATED government.

    Instead of having absolute and unalienable rights guaranteed under the organic Constitution, We the People, now have “relative” rights or privileges. One example is the Sovereign’s (the People) right to travel, which has now been transformed (under corporate government policy) into a “privilege” that requires citizens to be licensed – driver’s licenses and Passports. By passing the Act of 1871, Congress committed TREASON against the People who were Sovereign under the grants and decrees of the Declaration of Independence and the organic Constitution. The Act of 1871 became the FOUNDATION of all the treason since committed by government officials.

    As of 1871 the United States isn’t a Country; It’s a Corporation! In preparation for stealing America, the puppets of Roman Catholic Pope’s banking cabal had already created a second government, a Shadow Government designed to manage what “the People” believed was a democracy, but what really was an incorporated UNITED STATES. Together this chimera, this two-headed monster, disallowed “the People” all rights of sui juris. [you, in your sovereignty]

    The U.S.A. is a Crown Colony. The U.S. has always been and remains a Crown (Roman Catholic Pope) colony. King James I, is not just famous for translating the Bible into “The King James Version”, but for signing the “First Charter of Virginia” in 1606 — which granted America’s British forefathers license to settle and colonize America. The charter guaranteed future German Roman Catholic Kings/Queens of England would have sovereign authority over all citizens and colonized land in America.

    After America declared independence from the Crown, the Treaty of Paris, signed on September 3, 1783 was signed. That treaty identifies the German Roman Catholic King of England as prince of U.S. “Prince George the Third, by the grace of God, king of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, defender of the faith, duke of Brunswick (Germany’s Brunswick) and Lunebourg (Germany’s Lunebourg), arch- treasurer andprince elector of the Holy Roman Empire (Roman Catholic Church) etc., and of the United States of America“– completely contradicting premise that America won The War of Independence.

    Article 5 of that treaty gave all British estates, rights and properties back to the Crown – Catholic Church.

    It is agreed that Congress shall earnestly recommend it to the legislatures of the respective states to provide for the restitution of all estates, rights, and properties, which have been confiscated belonging to real British subjects; and also of the estates, rights, and properties of persons resident in districts in the possession on his Majesty’s arms and who have not borne arms against the said United States. And that persons of any other decription shall have free liberty to go to any part or parts of any of the thirteen United States and therein to remain twelve months unmolested in their endeavors to obtain the restitution of such of their estates, rights, and properties as may have been confiscated; and that Congress shall also earnestly recommend to the several states a reconsideration and revision of all acts or laws regarding the premises, so as to render the said laws or acts perfectly consistent not only with justice and equity but with that spirit of conciliation which on the return of the blessings of peace should universally prevail. And that Congress shall also earnestly recommend to the several states that the estates, rights, and properties, of such last mentioned persons shall be restored to them, they refunding to any persons who may be now in possession the bona fide price (where any has been given) which such persons may have paid on purchasing any of the said lands, rights, or properties since the confiscation.

    And it is agreed that all persons who have any interest in confiscated lands, either by debts, marriage settlements, or otherwise, shall meet with no lawful impediment in the prosecution of their just rights.

    It is becoming increasingly apparent to American citizens that government is no longer being conducted in accordance with the U.S. Constitution, or, within states, according to state constitutions. While people have recognized for more than 150 years that the rich and powerful often corrupt individual officials, or exert undue influence to get legislation passed that favors their interests, most Americans still cling to the naive belief that such corruption is exceptional, and that most of the institutions of society, the courts, the press, and law enforcement agencies, still largely comply with the Constitution and the law in important matters. They expect that these corrupting forces are disunited and in competition with one another, so that they tend to balance one another.

    Mounting evidence makes it clear that the situation is far worse than most people think, that during the last several decades the U.S. Constitution has been effectively overthrown, and that it is now observed only as a façade to deceive and placate the masses. What has replaced it is what many call the Shadow Government – created with the illegal passing of the Act of 1871. It still, for the most part, operates in secret, because its control is not secure. The exposure of this regime and its operations must now become a primary duty of citizens who still believe in the Rule of Law and in the freedoms which this country is supposed to represent.

    • @Teresa B.,
      I have read something like this before, but don’t know where.
      In our legal system does BAR stand for British Accredited Registry? If so, why?

  • For Ron and all phony Christians in name only:

    YES, Ron is a false prophet. He is preaching ANOTHER Gospel, and not the one Jesus Christ delivered. Ron’s salvation is based on his own weak and laughable human strength. That is the worst thing a man can do is to believe and preach a false gospel. And he will suffer the fate of all unbelievers and false prophets unless he wises up and comes to the TOTAL saving power of Jesus Christ alone (not any human help or maintanence). He preaches the false doctrine of ‘Perserverance’ and suffering to be saved. The Bible calls him a fool for his unbelief in and dismissal of the simple and complete Gospel Of Christ. He wants to earn his own salvation. Why? Because of his immense human ego. Poor soul and idiot.
    He comes to this website as a pest out of Hell preaching another gospel.

    • I do not teach or preach any such thing to be saved. Salvation comes through the blood of Christ only, by repentance of sins, and confessing Jesus is Lord of your life. I just want to clear any miss guiding that may be present to the contrary. Thank you Lord, I love you. If they lie about me, then I am worthy, for your sake! Marie, you are a good example of what will happen in the tribulation.

      Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
      Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

      • Ron you said to Marie, Salvation comes through the blood of Christ only, then why do not you believe in Romans 5:9 that we are justified by His blood not to enter into God Wrath?

  • Marie; If this was not a seious matter, of Ron’s Salvation, he would be just plain laughable. LOL

    I have listened to Satan lovers, Atheist’s, as these believe in false theories. But Ron has many psychological problems he needs to address before he can relize that he’s not Saved by GRACE!

    These mentally problems believing he’s God, and it gives him the right to damn us, is just plain sick. There been other Post-Tribbers on here, and they have the right to their own beliefs, but soon they find out, we will not change our minds as of being a Pre-Tribbers, they give up and move on!

    But Ron continues scoffing us, it goes on and on with his false theories. The reason I believe is he’s psychological unbalanced! In his world he’s the Great Teacher and He’s God, so everyone need to believe his way, or there going to damnation.

    Its more than being a scoffer or false prophet. In his wonderland, he always right, we are always wrong!

    • STL I used to think you were just a bitter old veteran with PTS and a few screws lose. After reading this comment against Ron I realize your clever as a fox and evil to the core.

      • You lie and gossip against your brother. You twist words and outright slander. God knows the truth and you will answer to Him.

        • That’s right Nathan. God knows who the true believers are and those who are not. Ron is not and STL is.

        • Nathan: I’ve never claim that Ron is my brother in Christ. I do not listen to anyone who claims to be God and he can caused, you grave danger, only witches states that to a person, then he said, since the holy spirit is within him, now he’s sinless. Only followers of satan, would say things like that?

          Very few people follow after Ron crazy theories, since you do, you’ll end up in the same place, where he’s going.

          And yes, everyone ends up in judgement of what they did for Jesus Christ, maybe you need to look at your self more closely and see if you will be allowed in heaven or hell, as the case may be!

      • It is Ron who twists God’s Word, attacks, slanders and doesn’t believe the truth. It is Ron who plays innocent while going in for the kill. Who are you kidding?

  • John Jr. If you were just unrighteous person than a Christian, the military would not trying to force you out. The military commanders knows exactly who you are and how you believe. We talked about it before, they only want soldiers who will not question their orders. They say, kill other americans, then that what they want you to do. Its will be a crime soon to be a Christian believer of Jesus Christ.

    • It’s just a shame when I am fully capable of doing my current job as missile facility manager, that they want to hurt us even more by reducing our manpower. There are plenty of knuckleheads out there to boot but to get rid of the good ones is insane. Your right, Satan may very well be at work here but my Jesus is greater and I will trust in Him to take care of us.

  • Ron,
    You said in the SmartHome post, I love you all. No you don’t and you don’t love God either, you love yourself and your false doctrine about salvation. You do not love the truth. You have put yourself above God by saying you, a sinful human man has to help God save you. Jesus doesn’t need your pitiful human help. Jesus died ALONE on the Cross. Were you there? Did you help Him? What arrogance to think that God needs our help. God created us, did you help Him do that also? It takes humility to believe and you show nothing but arrogance towards God’s Salvation. Get smart, humble yourself before God, admit that you cannot save yourself (nor maintain salvation by human effort) and believe and accept Jesus’s payment for your sins (past, present and future). Trust in Jesus and not yourself.
    Truth is LOVE. I have just shown you true love.

    • PREACH

    • I love you, Marie! I hope you find yourself in heaven. I fear for you.

      • Ron: How can you show sisterly love to her, when your pride and ego is completely controling you, and that’s satan within you. Why not get Nathan your demon follower, head off to FACEBOOK where both of you belong, with all the other crazies!

        • I hope you make it, too, STL. I fear for you, also.
          I fear God, I would that you and Marie, also fear Him. It’s sad to see people take it so lightly to judge God’s children. Lord, have mercy upon them, they don’t understand!

          • Unfortunately, Ron, you do not understand. What a Pity.

      • Fear for yourself Ron. You are the one depending upon yourself for salvation. I am depending on Jesus Christ for mine.

      • It is not fear you feel for me Ron, it is comtempt for the Truth.

  • Salvation is God’s provision, not human endeavor.

    Throughout history man has tried many intricate ways to get right with God or to be equal with God. They didn’t work. God provided salvation thorugh Jesus Christ for those who Believe in the work of Jesus, not their own human effort. Man’s efforts are egotisical and laughable. Only God can provide salvation for us.
    ALL He asks is for us to believe. Why is that so hard for some people to accept. Man cannot earn salvation, he must recieve it through Faith. Why is that so hard for some people to believe. Some so called ‘Christians’ worship themselves by thinking that they, mere man, must assist God in His performance of Salvation. How absurb! Get over yourselves and Trust God.

    • Salvation is God’s provision, but spiritual endeavor is required to keep it!

      Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
      Why don’t we just do away with these verses, they just don’t have any used for true believers. Can someone write us a correct Bible that says we just need the lord and let it go at that!

      Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

      Mat_4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

      • So you know God? Then why do you say, “We don’t need you any more Lord, you have already saved us!”
        In need Him every day. So you have already made the mark. I’m still pressing on to make mine! I’m sorry, I think you have missed the mark!

        Php 3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
        Php 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

        • Ron: Thank you, you are correct I will missed the Mark of the Beast. I’ll already be in Heaven. LOL

        • Ron: Who said that we do not need the Lord anymore? Your are a completelely a liar. When you freely recieve salvation from Jesus Christ. Immediately your life is full of the Holy Spirit within you. Your so happy going out witnessing to the unrighteous world, you feel you need to get the message out to all the unsaved ones, so they can recieve salvation in Jesus Christ.

          So how is that, ” We do not need the Lord, after we are saved?”

          The Lord Jesus is inside of us, and we are spreading his message of John 3:16.

          Please wrong, when you lie, cover all your bases, your only making your self into a fool!

          • You do saying, you are already saved and you have already made it.

        • Ron said, “So you know God? Then why do you say, “We don’t need you any more Lord, you have already saved us!”
          No one said the that but you Ron. What an evil magician with words you are Ron. You simply do not comprehend God’s Truth and you attack others for telling it to you.

        • Who has filled your head with such nonsense to say that once a man is saved he no longer needs God? What planet are you from?

      • Ron: You really are a scoffer, how you like making lies in your twisted words coming from God’s Scriptures.

        You said, Salvation id God’s provision, but spiritual endeavor is required to keep it.

        God said, it was a free gift from Him, Salvation.

        Eample: you give a gift to someone, the come back and take it back from them. Now is that a free gift, no added strings to that gift of Salvation.

        But after you recieve Salvation, and your life starts changing to the better, as you follow after Jesus Christ carrying your cross and dealing with your tribulations in life. Your so happy to help others in need, that’s because you have the holy spirit within you, but the holy spirit does not require you to do anything against your own free will.

        So you just trying to make your self look good in front of others.

      • @Ron,
        You just said it, “to them that put their trust in Him.” That’s exactly what a true born again believer does. (Trust) in Him; (FAITH) in Him. It is placed there the very second we accept His free gift. It will NOT leave us.
        What you are failing to see is the fact that a true born again believer will WANT to keep it. That’s the key to eternal salvation. It’s totally unexplainable to a person unless they have experienced it.

        • What you fail to see that, I know God has his children and they are preordained to make it, but that doesn’t constitute whether we are saved or not. You can be a born again Christian and walk with God and fall back from following Him. Many did just that. The gift of salvation is to all that will accept it. But accepting it does not mean you will always accept it. Trials of life can cause a person to fall. Jesus warns us:

          Mat 13:20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
          Mat 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
          Mat 13:22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

          Luk 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
          Luk 21:35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
          The Snare is the wrath of God, not tribulation. God’s not going to destroy the world with tribulation. Tribulation is the trial that He spoke of Rev 3:10. Wrath is what He destroys the world with, the fire instead of water this time. When will you listen to reason? Wrath is not tribulation.

          • Luk 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

            Jesus didn’t say be saved and not worry about it , but warned us to take heed that we don’t fall.

            1Co_10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
            1Ti_3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
            If we fall into the snare of the devil, does that mean we were never saved, then why did Paul even bother says such a thing? Why was the Bible ever written for? We live and have life because of the word of God, it is a lamp unto our feet to follow Jesus. Just because you backslide from God does not mean you have to stay in the pig pen! God loves you anyway, come to Him, don’t listen to these, that say you can’t be saved again, it’s a lie from hell. It They are the older brother that is complaining to God because they were there before you. It may not be in their hearts to think such, but in their actions and beliefs the are otherwise! God loves you and will take you back.

          • You are so full of it Ron. You have no clue of what salvation is.

          • To fall out of salvation Ron? Is that what you believe? That is wrong.

        • Yes Sister exactly. Faith is total trust. You can put long words on faith all day, but it is simply said, trust. God’s looking for someone to trust Him! David became the apple of His eyes because of trust! Abraham became His friend because of trust. Without faith it is impossible to please God.

          • Yet, you are not putting your faith in God but yourself to maintain yoru salvation and earn it in the first place. You are putting your faith in yourself and not God.

        • 🙂 🙂 Nice to see you Tracy, thank you for putting it like that, so simple for all. Blessings to you



    FANTASTIC NEWS VIDEO: 1932 – young Patton, young Eisenhower, young MacArthur, Pres Hoover, Walter Winchell reporting. I don’t recall this from any history classes.

    Do you think the military, acting on orders from a broken federal gov’t, won’t march against its own?? Hard to believe this happened 80 years ago.


  • Mark Douglas

    Death is inevitable. Only death and taxes are.

    I’m prepping to fight and secure a future for my family.

    If Jesus comes down, great, but I’m not counting in it.

    I don’t think these are the last days. We’re likely within a couple hundred years of the end though, but I don’t think the end is now.

    I don’t plan on getting robbed by thugs during the coming collapse.

    If I get killed, fine, but I’m fighting back. I’m not just going to lay down and wait for a miracle as I get robbed or worse.

    The Latter Day Saints have a good prepper model, but they’ll be the ones who will be robbed for their food and water because they lack the will to ” stop the threat” by all means.

    Give all their members an AR-15 with a battle load out of 7 30rd mags, body armor, and night vision goggles, then throw in some small infantry unit training and Id say they will survive.

    Strength in numbers and superior firepower.

    • God alone knows when the end will come. The end will come for each of us, though, at our appointed time. So, we need to live each moment as if it is our last and be ready to face Jesus. Once that is clear, other decisions fall in place. Only you can know if God is directing your path but he sure has not called me to get ready to kill to preserve my life in this world. He has also given us lots of signs to tell us when the end of time is near. Those signs are with us now, so it is a fair bet that many of us will still be around when that time comes. That excites and encourages me.

      • Hope: You said, ” God alone knows whenthe end will come.”

        Let just say “IF” God told one person the date of departure to heaven, and he told a bunch of other.

        I believe not one person, would believe that God told him the date!

        We are in the last days of so much deception, and so many lies, no one would be him?

    • Mark D: you said, ” If Jesus comes down, great, but I’m not counting on it.”

      First you used the word “IF” he come down, then your saying I do not count of him.

      First you have proven your not a Born Again Christian ( John 3:16).

      We as believers believe Jesus will come in the air, we will be delivered up to Him.

      So I would say, that you should keep on prepping, just hope not a band of thieves, come to you, and kill you and your family, then all that prepping was for nothing?

  • Pakistani protestors burn flag
    Pakistani Islamists burn an American flag in Karachi on Friday, Nov. 1, 2013. (AP Photo/Shakil Adil)

    (CNSNews.com) – The past year witnessed bloodshed in Syria and Iraq, turmoil in Egypt, anarchy in Central Africa, threats by a nuclear-armed North Korea and Chinese military posturing, but as 2013 ends a global poll finds that the country seen as representing the greatest threat to peace today is … the United States.

    Not only did the U.S. top the list with an aggregate of 24 percent, but the runner-up threat country, Pakistan, was way behind at eight percent. China was third at six percent, followed by North Korea, Iran and Israel at five percent each.

    The survey of opinions across 65 countries by pollster Win/Gallup International recorded some of the strongest anti-American sentiment, predictably, in countries widely regarded as rivals, led by Russia (where 54 percent of respondents said the U.S. was the greatest threat to peace) and China (49 percent).

    But the view that the U.S. poses the greatest threat to peace was also strongly held in some purported U.S. allies – such as NATO partners Greece and Turkey (45 percent each), and Pakistan (44 percent), which is also a top recipient of U.S. aid.
    – See more at: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/and-country-posing-greatest-threat-peace-2013-ends#sthash.6lkrfOzZ.dpuf

  • An introduction by the “Informer”

    This is the latest from a man who visits me quite often. He and another man researched my theory that we have never been free from the British Crown. This disc shows the results. I have states that we will never win in their courts. This shows conclusively why. We have the hard copy of the treaties that are the footnotes. This predates Schroder’s material, my research of the 1861 stats by Lincoln that put us under the War Powers confiscation acts, and John Nelson’s material. All our material supports that the real Principal, the King of England, still rules this country through the bankers and why we own no property in allodium. This is why it is so important to start OUR courts of God’s natural (common) Law and break away from all the crap they have handed us. This is one reason Virginia had a law to hang all lawyers but was somehow, by someone, (the King) set aside to let them operate again. Some good people put in the original 13th amendment so that without the lawyers the King could not continue his strangle hold on us. James shows how that was quashed by the King. I am happy that James’ research of six months bears out my theory, that most people would not listen to me, that we are still citizen/subjects under the kings of England. My article called “Reality” published in the American Bulletin and the article of mine on the “Atocha case,” wherein Florida in 1981 used it’s sovereignty under the British crown to try to take away the gold from the wreck found in Florida waters supports this premise. James makes mention of the Law dictionaries being England’s Law Dict. you will not is lists the reign of all the Kings of England. It never mentions the reign of the Presidents of this country. Ever wonder Why? Get this out to as many people as

  • Nathan B: So now you think I’m not so stupid after all, you know what your problem is? The same one Ron has, Pride and a big ego.

    Stop wasting my time, with your small talk. You’ll find out your in the same hole with Ron, your going to suffer greatly in the 1st half of the Tribulation, if you do not break down and accept the Mark of the Beast.

    • @STL,
      Enough! God is our judge, not man!

      • Tracy: I never started all these twisting of words from Ron’s mouth, ands then Nathan attacks me at every possible moment, and you say stop it, but God’s not judging us, its Ron is judging us!

  • Ruby Lillian

    God Bless you Ron! Your sister in Christ!

    • Ruby: Enjoy your ride in the 1st half of the Tribulation, its going to be a scary one!

      • But Jesus said not to fear. Why are you so afraid, STL?

        • Ron: I’m not afraid, you just said Jesus said not to fear, but several times you said fear God and Jesus is God, make up your mind!

    • That’s too bad Ruby.

      • Marie: I been listening to Ruby posting for over a year, and she’s a social worker, that believe in the Post Tribulation theory.

        First it was D City preaching on this site, she thought he was annointing preacher, since he gave up his false theories of scriptures, we have Ron theories, and not she back Ron.

        Ruby base her faith in these men. As it states in 1 Cor. 2:5- that your faith should not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God!

        As Ron problems of seeking or hearing the truth comes down to one verse in Scripture: John 8:47- He who is of God hears the words of God, ( for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God).

        So basically Ron does not hear the words of God, so he’s not of God!

  • Nathan B: listen to Marie, she just might help you save your soul.

  • You got it all backwards STL…only the blood of my Savior Jesus Christ can save my soul. Not Marie. JESUS CHRIST died and rose for all of us. Fear Him with total respect and love. He is the only way. In the meantime as we wait for our time we should all watch for the snare of the devil and stay close to our Savior Jesus Christ.

    • Nathan B: I’m sorry that you need to feel you need to attack me, but that your right to do so!

      But siding with Ron, as he believe we can loose our salvation is completely stupid. Once you feel in your heart and see it in your mind that only Jesus can deliver your soul from this damnation which is upon us, and you truely accept Jesus Christ in you, then the Holy Spirit we never abandoned you.

      There is no way you can lose that SALVATION, but you can lose crowns not being affective believers when we are in heaven at the Lord’s Supper Celebration.

      But if you believe as Ron does about losing your Salvation, then that is truely your right to think that way, I’m not telling you can not believe that way!

      • OOPS! we=will

      • Would you ever abandon you child, No! But that doesn’t mean your child will not abandon you!

        • Ron Murphy: Please make some sense when you post? All my children loves this world, so basically they did not abandoned me, they abandoned theirselves!

    • Nathan: I was only saying that Marie could help you find in your heart and mind to truely be saved through Jesus Christ. The only way we found Salvation is through instruction from other BORN AGAIN BELIEVERS.

      Why should you fear Jesus, if your walking with Jesus, we do that out of love to Him, we do not do that because we fear him, if your truely saved, then the love of the Holy Spirit is in you.

      When your saved and your walking with the Lord Jesus, do you help others in need, because you fear the Lord Jesus or because you love Jesus Christ and you want to be like Jesus Christ, helping others in need?

      If you not truely saved, you better fear Jesus Christ.

  • Should anything that has Obama’s name on it not shock us ?!
    He has one thing in mind and that is to do everything he can do in the timeframe he has been allowed to destroy America and he is doing it! End Of Story!

  • As I scan over all the comments, and I see argue on who is right about Scripture, That has amazed me all these months, but isn’t that prideful? I wonder, when we are knocking on the door, when opened, what will the Lord say?
    Will He look at us and say, I don’t really know you, you spent your time arguing w brother/sister instead of doing My work. While He then closes the door and we are all left to stare at ea other.

    I just wonder is all

    • Teresa B: Your comment is so true! Instead arguing over who is right about the setting of the beginning of the Tribulation period.

      We should be doing God’s work, by spreading the Good News of His salvation for the lost sheep.

      But some wants to even to put doubts in our minds if we are even believers in Jesus Christ. And they are trying to cause deception in our minds, then we only are agueing about things that has not even happen yet?

      That why I believe in Matthew 24: 12 that some people love causing doubt in our beliefs of our Lord Jesus Christ, so basically our love for each other is getting very cold for each other.

      • You know what? No one on here puts anything in my mind except my comment above. NO one is going to change anyones mind. There are few on here whose mind is not already made up. Everyone has to have the last word so if Scripture was posted by ITSELF w no comments that would be perfect. Can that happen? Oh silly me to think so. Have a good wknd. Blessings and don’t tell me its not the wknd, its mine! 😉

    • No Theresa B.,
      That is not prideful. We are to contend for the true faith and fight against false gospel. Read your Bible more and learn what Jesus asks us to do as Believers. Witnessing is one thing he asks us to do.

      • I do read my Bible, and I love how people on ;here are so quick to tell others what to do. Yes it is prideful to think you are right all the time. Check your own self. Witnessing is not done on here. I have spent my life around witnessing people and they never do these things trust me so I don’t know who you hang with other than here. Like I said its these opinions that don’t go well with Scripture. Stick to JUST Scripture, how hard is that??

      • Marie, after thinking about all this today, I can feel that I upset you. I was not specifically speaking of you, at any rate, I want to say I am sorry if I offended or said anything inappropriate to you, I was just speaking from my heart and sometimes my words come out wrong. So, I hope you have a nice wknd, Blessings

  • That is not true either Theresa B. People can be reading this and learn the true gospel from those brave enough to post it ands contend with those who are speaking false gospel. It is a war.

    • Like I said. YOU are saying YOU are right NO if and or buts. OTHERS say they are right, NO if and or buts.

      Someone else will say both are false gospel.

      • Teresa B: If they are both are wrong, then we should burn all bibiles, would that make sense to you?

        • I think you are smarter than that. This Is nuts but then would you understand that? 😉 Did u see the video on the sounds in Finland?

        • do these go together? sorry I missed something there

        • sorry STL, post 84?

  • Teresa B: Its not just Finland, it happen right before the Mexico earthquake, that destroyed the highway! Its not just happening in our heavens but below the earth also!

  • josh

    This is a total perversion of figures, you used Tennessee as an example yet you failed to mention they have Tenncare, a state ran Medicare type program which is where your figures are coming from. In Kentucky where I am it would cost me 600$ a month before the new program now I’m able to get better coverage for under a 100. First time I’ve been able to afford private insurance.

  • I lived on a fixed income and now my insurance rates are forcing me to cancel my insurance, since we only got $22.00 increase in ss. and that is supposed be a cost of living BONUS. Excuse me!!!!
    This picture looks pretty grim and I do mean grim. He seems to be wanting to get rid of anyone over 65 and up. I just can’t keep going on like this. we as American people please stop this mess.


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