All Israelis Will Be Required To Join Biometric Database Starting In 2017

“Israel is joining many other countries around the world which have concluded that their citizens should have smart and secure documentation. With all the attempts by various organizations to steal identities, it’s important to have a smart and reliable document,” Dery added. At the end of the ceremony he issued himself one.
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Interior Minister Arye Dery announced on Thursday that starting next year, joining the biometric database will be obligatory.

“And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.” Revelation 13:16,17 (KJV)

“From now on anyone obtaining a document from the Interior Ministry, whether an ID card or a passport, will receive a biometric one. We’ve decided on having this database and we’ll soon decide what will be included in it,” Dery said at a ceremony marking the millionth person to join the biometric database, which was held at the new Population and Immigration Authority office in south Tel Aviv.

“Israel is joining many other countries around the world which have concluded that their citizens should have smart and secure documentation. With all the attempts by various organizations to steal identities, it’s important to have a smart and reliable document,” Dery added. At the end of the ceremony he issued himself one.

“I’m not sure I’m the millionth, but we’re close. I’m issuing one for myself since I don’t have one yet. It’s the right and safe thing to do – there is nothing to worry about. There is nothing more secure than this database. People can remain calm, I can say with certainty – we have a secure database. Everything we do is for the benefit of our citizens,” he declared.

During the third quarter of 2015 there was a sharp drop in the number of people signing up. Only one quarter of people taking out new documents in that period opted for biometric ones. The Population Authority released data showing that between last November and May there was a rise in these numbers, with 31 percent opting for biometric documentation.

The rate of people choosing biometric documents goes up with age, except for people who are 80 years old or older. There are gender differences, with somewhat more men who signed up during the pilot phase. Twenty-four percent of people who signed on never returned to pick them up. From August, these documents will be mailed to people for whom they were issued.

The pilot phase began in July 2013 and was supposed to end after two years. However, it was extended twice. Former Interior Minister Silvan Shalom assumed his post a month and a half before the end of the pilot, and requested more time to study the issue. The Knesset approved his request and extended the pilot by nine months, ending in March of this year.

After Shalom’s departure, Dery was appointed minister in mid-January. At his request, the Knesset again extended the pilot by nine months, until the end of 2016. Dery will have to decide in the coming months what should be done with this database. He clarified that he wouldn’t annul it but would make it compulsory to sign on. It is still unclear, however, which data will be conserved in the database. In any case, approval by the Knesset plenary is required for this move.

The main objective of the biometric database is to prevent the forging of ID cards and passports, prohibiting anyone from assuming a false identity. The database includes high-resolution facial photos and the prints of applicants’ two index fingers. By law, the biometric data is stored in a secure database with limited access. Only an encrypted code enables the linking of the data to the personal details of any person.

Senior Interior Ministry officials said they are now looking at different models for the database. One option is to include only a facial photograph. “That’s a good option for people who are reluctant to provide fingerprints, but its effectiveness is lower. Faces change over time, and people often choose to wear head covering while taking their photos. Such passports will therefore be issued for shorter durations. This will cause people to be hassled by appearing more frequently at our offices as well as imposing a greater burden on our employees. Another option is to make the provision of fingerprints compulsory, but this will evoke opposition.”

In internal discussions, Dery has been looking at a third way that combines the two – in this option a facial photo will be compulsory and the fingerprints voluntary. This may encourage people to give their fingerprints. “When people learn that passports with fingerprints will be issued for longer periods of 10 years instead of three to five years without fingerprinting, most people will provide their prints.”

Opponents of the database argue that there is a high risk of sensitive information leaking out. They suggest making do with smart documents that will contain the biometric data, rather than holding it in a centralized storage site. Opponents also recommend more intense questioning by the Population Authority at the time documents are issued, to minimize the risk of identity theft.
Attorney Yehonatan Klinger, the legal adviser of the Movement for Digital Rights, says, “We claim that this database is unnecessary, since people rarely lose documents that can prove their identity. There is no need for a database that will store fingerprints – identities can be verified without this. We’ll do our utmost so that the interior minister makes the right decision and halts the establishment of this database.” source

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  • Jack Lovett

    This is a very important viewpoint. http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=1127

  • life

    I was sent away from a store because I wanted to use……. CASH!

    • you what do you mean trying to use cash? NO SOUP FOR YOU!! hahahah. thats okay this will all be sorted out soon enough. what store if you do not mind me asking ?

  • whether all of you know it or not they are putting all of us in a database in most states. when the DMV takes your picture and asks you not to smile they are putting your picture in a facial recognition database so it is happening here also. if you work for the fed govt then you are in a database their work id’s contain your fingerprints.

    • Lee Rice

      Any identity different measures are precursor. Just soften up the people’s minds.

  • they tried this in Georgia maybe 15 yrs ago but soon did away with it and i would say someone wwith enough money took them to court and had it changed. if this happened now i would say that there would be little chance of it being done away with it seeing as how authoritarian our governments have become.

  • DeniseC

    Another push toward the Mark of the Beast. More lack of privacy for “safety” and “security.” If the Mark is not too far off, could it be that the Lord isn’t either? Maranatha.

    • Joanna Loves Jesus

      Hello Denise

      I heard that everyone’s private conversation has been recorded for years now, all their private emails and social network messages, even phone calls get monitored.

      I know Identity Cards are important but I always feel like there is something sinister about them too, yes I know I sound daft and stupid, but they remind me of the stories I heard growing up of how the SS and Nazi stormtroopers used to go into the train carriages demanding to see everyone’s papers…
      Dragging anyone away and murdering Jews, searching people on the streets, it does make me think of those evil days, am I being really naive and stupid here? What do you and NTEB think?

      One thing for certain, nobody can no longer be “someone else” like back in the 1940s when changed papers could literally save your lives….I guess I am being paranoid but something is going on here in UK and Europe that is really frightening, the increase of anti-Semitism, especially in Universities and the liberal media, using language straight out of Hitlers propaganda.

      Please can everyone pray for European Jews and Israel
      God Bless you all.

      • DeniseC

        I believe, like you, that we are being watched, but there’s not much we can do about it. I would rather die in the Lord than live one moment without Him, should it come to that. Like several have said, I pray He gives me the strength to stay faithful to Him if worse comes to worst.
        Jo, you are not daft, or naive, or stupid. Think of how the Christians are being beheaded, crucified, raped, sold into slavery, etc. in the ME and know that it will soon make its way to the West. I taught the Holocaust for many years (was sad to see that Elie Wiesel died yesterday; I taught his book, “Night”) and I have over 50 books on the subject, so I can say that those things did happen. One by one their rights were taken away: kids couldn’t go to school, bikes and radios were taken, curfews enacted, the Star of David sewn on their clothes mandatory, etc. Kristallnaucht, the Night of Broken Glass, was an assault on Jewish businesses that escalated to where people were dragged from their homes to the concentration camps. (Today our businesses are destroyed if we don’t go along with “the program.”) Some, like in Lodz, Poland, were gassed right away in trucks filled with carbon monoxide, while others were worked to death and gassed in chambers with Zyklon b. We aren’t there yet, as Christians and Jews today, but are in the beginning stages. Our businesses now have to cater to LGBT; our debit and credit cards are now “chipped,” we can’t talk about God in schools–or anywhere, really–and our children are being taught that they are gender fluid and are racist at birth if they are “privileged” whites. I could go on and on, but we all read about it every day.

        I pray for the Jews daily and I also pray that millions of them and Muslims will come to the Lord Jesus Christ. Did you see that 20,000 Buddhists recently accepted Him? All things are possible with God, but the persecution of His most beloved IS happening an ramping up. I pray the Lord takes us Home before the worst, but I also want millions to get saved.

        Keep looking up, for our redemption is exponentially getting closer. May God bless you and protect you, Joanna, and everyone here. May His Holy Name be praised forever.

        • cathy

          amen

        • DeniseC

          I wrote the wrong #: It was 200,000 Buddhists that got saved, Praise the Lord.

  • Carolyn Nunes

    Please watch Armageddon News utube video entitled “Babylon the Great and the Caliph Antichrist” it posits Mecca as the whore of Babylon. I would appreciate your insight into their interpretation of various Bible verses…other videos miss the mark, but this one resonated with me.

  • Isn’t similar legislation in obamacare? It was reported that the use of Micro-Chips in Bill H.R. 4872 was located on Page 1014 under “National Medical Device Registry” it tells about a “Class II Device That is Implantable” and yes, they passed the bill.
    Read Page “1014″ In The H.R. 4872. Also read Class II Special Controls Guidance For FDA Staff. And didn’t NBC report that it will be done in 2017? Looks like this is a global plan for all nations.

    MARANATHA!

  • Joanna Loves Jesus

    Identity Cards will not make the world a safer place, yes they will make it easier to identify people who are terrorists, but the world needs to confront evil ideologies, but they are unwilling to do so…

    Instead, Christianity is the faith that the authorities consider ‘dangerous’ the Governments around the world are increasing in hostility to Christian believers. People are dragged to courts for their beliefs, imprisoned, get suspended and fired from their jobs, told not to quote Scripture…’hate speech’ they have the cheek to call God’s Word, whilst giving a platform to hate preachers of other faiths that call for destruction of both Jews and Christians…
    Yes the world hates us, just as it hates our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
    Take heart, we grow closer to the Rapture!!!

  • Lee Rice

    All passports now have a chip. Not one person asked my permission.

  • Heather

    Anyone notice the metalic looking tag renewal stickers for our vehicles that are being sent out now? They have rfid’s in them.

    http://modernsurvivalblog.com/current-events-economics-politics/license-plate-scanners-now-track-every-vehicle/

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    October 2, 2013 at 3:12 PM

    I just paid my vehicle tax in KY and got my new shiny sticker for my license plate although I noticed what appears to be an embedded chip no bigger than a period located on the bottom left corner. its barely visible on the front but its obvious when viewed from the back. I thought about cutting it off but want decided not to until I do further research. scary world is now here!

    http://star-int.net/astria-rfid-vehicle-registration-sticker-3rd-license-plate-tag/

    • Joanna Loves Jesus

      Hello Dear Heather,
      About the chip perhaps best to leave it if the Gov put it there, if not then get rid of it. There are microchip in trash cans and people aren’t allowed to destroy them (they will get into trouble) and so, like what what you’re doing, do some research on them first. I’m fed up with all the surveillance but just have to put up with it.
      There are sneaky cameras in picture frames these days, and in the mot unlikeliest places, like in mirrors, watches, and in panels in rooms…makes me think of all those James Bond movies…spied on at all times, RFID in loads of stuff even clothes, letting the store know one of their customers have just entered.
      You can have new clothes with the chips in them….creepy!!!!
      People with a RFID reader can scan you and learn about what your wearing and loads of other stuff.
      Purchases Sending back information when you’ve returned back home, it sounds like science- fiction…
      I don’t like Smart devices I find them creepy as they are connected to the Internet and give out information to unknown persons, the Smart TV watches people with the inbuilt camera and mircophone records their voice, and even when disabled by the owner, continues to monitors them…the new gadgets spy on you and know where you are at all times, no where to hide from eyeballs in the sky…they say the UK where I live is the most watched nation on the planet we have CCTV cameras everywhere and no privacy at all anymore…even the swimming pool has camera hope there aren’t any in the toilet areas but who knows?!!!
      Some new cars have technology that can disable them remotely and also have tracking devices
      There is street furniture with microphone to listen in on conversations.
      I wonder what our ancestors would think about today’s technology?

      • Joanna Loves Jesus, YOU NAILED IT! Thta is an excellent post! You too, and others here, have been doing your homework! When I try to warn others about these things, they look at me as though I have 5 heads, smirk, and quickly dismiss it!

        All the “Smart” commodities should be shunned like the plague! The new TV’s with cameras in them, this is TRUE! Imagine the number of TV’s that are in people’s bedrooms and bathrooms these days! Nothing private there! Now, they’re even in people’s automobiles and vehicles…to keep childrem amused on long trips…don’t you know! (sarcasm) They’re there to watch to see how you discipline and treat your children…via eavesdropping!

        This is all gearing up for the Mark of the Beast system! There will be no place to run or to hide… I see another holocaust coming, as this story smells of deja vu! This time, there will be Jews, Christians, and other “undesirables”…just like last time, but with more people in the crosshairs! The treatment of Christians in this manner, may be God exacting His vengeance on those who betrayed His chosen people to the labor, concentration, and death camps! We reap what we sow, and God is not slack concerning His promises; He promised to vindicate Israel…

        I can smell supper cooking on the heavenly stove! All we’re waiting for now, is the sound of the trumpet to call us in to dine! Any day now! Praise the Lord!

  • Joanna Loves Jesus

    Another creepy tech is eyeglasses that act as a camera so you could be walking past a guy and he’s recording you with these special spectacles.

    • Heather

      Hello sister Joanna! I agree, there is no way to avoid it. In my post above I had copied a comment from someone who made that comment within the link. Skywatcher sent out an email the other day in which he made reference to new refrigerators having cameras in them so they can see what kind of food habits one has. It’s nuts. I can just imagine these cameras even being installed in shower heads. Hugh!
      Blessings to you Joanna…

  • Heather

    Hello sister Joanna! I agree, there is no way around it. The comment I copied above was from someone who had posted that comment from within the link. Skywatcher sent out an email the other day in which he made reference to new refrigerators having cameras in them so they can monitor what food habits one has. It’s nuts. I can imagine them putting cameras even in shower heads. Hugh! Or bedroom ceiling fans.
    Blessings to you Joanna…

  • Heather

    Oh great, double comment. Thought the first one didn’t go through as I got an error message. Lol

  • Elijah

    Here in Israel everyone has an I.D. Card. The majority of Israelis don’t have a car, so using a drivers license for I.D. isn’t quite as effective. A photo (for facial recognition) and two fingerprints isn’t the mark of the beast. Don’t go overboard.

    • Reginald

      Agree with Elijah, “A photo (for facial recognition) and two fingerprints isn’t the mark of the beast. Don’t go overboard”; what is written in the Holy Antichrist ible is thus,

      “And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor , free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand or in their foreheads:
      And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark of the beast, or the number of his name
      Here is wisdom, let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it the number of a man, and his number is six hundred threescore and six” ~ Rev 13:16-18.

      A photo for facial recognition and two finger prints is not equal to 666, the mark, number of the beast etched in his forehead, or in his hand!
      Although these could be preparatory processes before the chip or credit or debit card, instead of being on a plastic foil, is then transferred to the skin, either in the forehead or in the right hand which which is linked to the large database of individual  to an integrated universal system of the Antichrist, for quick identification of the individual and features.

      What constitutes the mark of the beast! When it comes to actually putting the debit card or credit card upon the forehead, or in the right hand, which can be swiped after grocery shopping at the point of payment, which without it would be impossible to buy or sell, or get loan from a finance company, or get government food stamp or social welfare, including keeping one’s job shall be determined by having the mark of the beast visibly imprinted in the form of barcode on the forehead or in the right hand, and can be read by a sensor linked to integrated system device housing the individual identity , which includes his unique features such as fingerprints, facial contour.
      The preliminary steps begins now, by collecting individual features, which will later be linked to the chip barcode on the forehead or in the right hand for purpose of commerce and business.

      The Antidote for non eligibility for the mark of the beast is thus below:
      “And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear” Revelation 13:8-9″

      The only recepient to get the mark of the beast are those who are not born again, whose name are not in the book of life. That sounds like there are those whose name are written in the Lamb’s book of life, who will refuse to take his mark or the number of the beast.
      What will be the consequence, for refusing the mark of the beast?

      “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints , and to overcome them : and power was given him over all the kindreds, and tongues, and nations. Revelation 13: 7.

      Thus, the Saints in Christ Jesus the Lord, will be persecuted by the Man of Lawlessness! The bride of the Lord will be tribulated at the hand of the Antichrist. These are blood washed brethren, both Jews and Gentiles, who is still waiting to be raptured / first resurrection. There is only One rapture / first resurrection, and it begins the second half of the seven years of Dani’EL seventieth week, not at the beginning of the seventieth week as some would say. The first three and half years of Dani’EL seventieth week, is a false peace, and believers in Yeshua / Jesus are here during the first half of the seventieth week. Immediately after the first half of seven years is finished, the Antichrist enters into the tribulation temple and demand to be worshipped as God, this is what starts the Great Tribulation, as the nation Israel, Jews and Christians recognise this impostor for what he is, and in his anger he seeks to kill all who refuse to worship the beast, it is at the height of this pogrom, the Lord Jesus Christ will cut our suffering short, by removal by rapture and first resurrection. Following this incident, God pours out His wrath on the seat of the Antichrist and upon all who worship the beast or take his mark.

      There is a difference between Great Tribulation and the Wrath of God.

      Believers in Yeshua / Jesus are not appointed unto God’s wrath , but certainly we shall be persecuted by the Man of Lawlessness or Son of Perdition. 1 Thessalonians 5 : 9-10.

      If anyone tells you that you would not know who the Antichrist is, because you would be removed from the earth before he comes on the scene, please ask him to explain to you , 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4.
      Ask him to tell you who would the Lord Jesus Christ reveal to who is the Son of Perdition, by the Holy Spirit in the Believer, just as He revealed to the apostles, the one who dipped his hand in the soup, Judas Iscariot for thirty shekels of silver?

      Ask him to tell you if the antichrist will be revealed to the apostate, fallen away, compromised, Laodicean corrupt, abominable Denominational so call churches, who are appointing women pastors, Homosexuals , bisexuals , Transgender Lebians ministers, or to the lost world who have embraced the Antichrist? Or it could be you and me whose name are written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world?

  • Peace people, peace, calm down a bit and remember the mark of the beast isn’t forced until 3 1/2 yrs into the tribulation which is the time God’s wrath is poured out on the world that rejected Christ Jesus and the church isn’t here at this point. If someone is recording my phone calls have at it and I trust in the Lord and am not living in fear of what I say or what I don’t and no child of God should be afraid. Let the world do it’s thing but keep your focus on Christ and trust in Him. As far as smart devices, I won’t have them, I don’t even want a camera on my computer because any pervert hacker can access them and turn them on. But there is no way we can get completely away from today’s technology unless you move off the grid and become some mountain recluse. Remember the Lord Jesus words when you begin to see all these things happening, look up, rejoice your redemption draws nigh. These things were prophesied and will come about and must be but it’s not going to be long. Pray for your loved ones, help each other, encourage each other, don’t be afraid!!!

    • Amen, Grace! That’s another great word! It’s going to take me six months just to catch up to the comments I feel led to respond to! You’re being a tremendous blessing! Keep up the great work! By the way, I see a great significance to the fact that Israel is the first target nation, or at least appears to be, from the perspective of this story. We know that Israel will be Satan’s primary target, with Christians being a close secondary target. I tell him, “Bring it on! I can’t wait to see your demise!” The harder he works, the closer he gets to his judgment and we get to stand by and watch! What a time of pure gratification that will be! God bless you some more!

    • Reginald

      Grace, God bless you for your godly wise comment, which is Biblically correct. The Great Tribulation begins at the second half of Daniel seventieth week, not before it or pre !

      Regards and God bless you

  • 2 Chronicles 20:15 And he said, Hearken ye, all Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem, and thou king Jehoshaphat, Thus saith the LORD unto you, Be not afraid nor dismayed by reason of this great multitude; for the battle [is] not yours, but God’s.

    1 Samuel 17:47 And all this assembly shall know that the LORD saveth not with sword and spear: for the battle [is] the LORD’S, and he will give you into our hands.

    Zechariah 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This [is] the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

    Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

    Why hang on to something that God is going to destroy? This world and all who reject Christ Jesus as Savior and Lord shall be thrown into the pit of hell. Revelation 21:1-8 vs1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
    3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

    • carson

      yeppers Grace..why hang onto something God has slated will NOT just go on and on and on and He will destroy. AND…why will He end/destroy the way’s of the unredeemed world/the way’s of the flesh?
      So why hang onto something that is NOT OF GOD!?

      Even if it was back in the 1700’s and there was centuries left to the unredeemed way’s of the world it was even back then not to be ‘held onto’ since the way’s of the world/the way’s of the flesh are NOT of God.

      Amazing to think God has a set day and time and plan and the time will come when He will wrap things up here and with this fleshly world and only those of Christ will go onward then so hope many are found to be Christ’s own then, bought with a price the cross and blood of Christ

  • PLEASE NOTE: Boi-metric is not the microchip (i.e. mark of the beast), yet this is but a stepping stone and the data collection will, no doubt in the future be applied to the chip, or mark of the beast database. Something of note,…or question…has anyone (as I have) researched just who made the microchips (mark of the beast-sub-dermal implantable chips) and where they are being distributed from?! Might want to go have a look and then you’ll know more about the chip, and who is really going to be using the demonic tech to track people’s money and travel use.

  • Food for thought…

    2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    What person sits in the temple and speaks on behalf of God to the Jews? The High Priest

    2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
    2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
    2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

    Paul tells them that the son of perdition is already at work, but is being restrained by the Holy Spirit through the Roman authorities. If the man of sin was not to come for 2000 or 3000 years, why would he need to be restrained?

    And since we know Paul was telling them it was the High Priest, maybe we can see who he was talking about elsewhere by listening to his next sentence…

    2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

    Let’s find out if Jesus mentioned this…

    Mat 26:57 And they that had laid hold on Jesus led him away to Caiaphas the high priest, where the scribes and the elders were assembled.
    Joh 18:13 And led him away to Annas first; for he was father in law to Caiaphas, which was the high priest that same year.
    Joh 18:14 Now Caiaphas was he, which gave counsel to the Jews, that it was expedient that one man should die for the people.
    Joh 18:15 And Simon Peter followed Jesus, and so did another disciple: that disciple was known unto the high priest, and went in with Jesus into the palace of the high priest.
    Mat 26:58 But Peter followed him afar off unto the high priest’s palace, and went in, and sat with the servants, to see the end.
    Mat 26:59 Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;
    Mat 26:60 But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none. At the last came two false witnesses,
    Mat 26:61 And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.
    Mat 26:62 And the high priest arose, and said unto him, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee?
    Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

    Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

    Jesus tells Annas that he would live to see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven. Do you believe Him?

    Refer back to 2Th 2:8. Paul says the same thing. Do you believe Paul?

    Caiaphas was the high priest who crucified both Jesus and Stephen. But, Caiaphas wasn’t the High Priest when Paul was writing to the Thessalonians in the 50s AD. Both of Luke’s writings were to Theophilus, the gospel when Theophilus was High Priest, and Acts when Matthias, his son, was High Priest (the last High Priest before the destruction by the Romans). Caiaphas was the son-in-law of Annas, Theophilus was the son of Annas, and Matthias was the grandson of Annas. When Luke writes of the 7 sons of Sceva in Acts, he is speaking of Annas. Annas was the man of sin. He was responsible for killing Christ, Stephen, James the brother of John, Peter, James, Paul, and countless other believers in Jerusalem and throughout the region. Josephus tells us that Annas was killed in the first days of the Jewish/Roman war…in the 6th month of the year 66.

    As to Daniel’s 70th week, God set aside 70 7s (490 years) to accomplish 6 things. They are listed in Daniel 9:24:

    Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, 1) to finish the transgression, and 2) to make an end of sins, and 3) to make reconciliation for iniquity, and 4) to bring in everlasting righteousness, and 5) to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to 6) anoint the most Holy.

    It doesn’t say some are to be accomplished then, and some someday, or yet to come…it says AND in between each, indicating that all 6 would accomplished at the end of the 490 years.

    All of these things were accomplished by Jesus at Calvary. We are not waiting for the son of perdition to anoint the most holy.

    There were 7 years between Luke 4:21 and the death of Stephen. That is the 70th week of Daniel. In the midst of those 7 years, Christ was crucified for us, just as Daniel said it would happen.

    Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    The sacrifice of Christ on the cross caused the temple system to cease and be made desolate…useless…obsolete…never to be needed again. After God sent the gospel out to all the nations (Rom 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.), He destroyed the temple altogether. To rebuild it again and revive the old law would make Jesus’ sacrifice moot.

    The mark of the beast is on those who subscribe to the notion that righteousness can be obtained by means of obeying the laws of the Mosaic covenant…religious tradition, living under the law of Moses instead of the Law of Christ. The Mosaic covenant ended at Calvary…for all people, for all time. Nobody is under the Mosaic covenant, and gentiles were never under it. It is obsolete…replaced! The law of Christ is to love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength (impossible without Christ in you to be the lover), and your neighbor as yourself (also impossible without Christ in you to be the lover). So, the mark of the beast is on any who believe (the forehead) they can attain righteousness without Christ and who rely upon their own efforts (the right hand) to find righteousness in the eyes of God.

    My $0.02…

    • Pete

      Good stuff tiptopsaidhe. Thanks for being a voice of truth and plain sense, in the middle of all of the nonsense.

  • Emery

    The mark in the forehead metaphorically signifies one’s thoughts, beliefs, and mindset, and the mark on the hand signifies, metaphorically, one’s actions. The mark IS NOT A PHYSICAL MARK. Have none of you ever actually STUDIED and meditated on God’s word? Or do you ALWAYS let others tell you what to believe? Can you all not think for yourselves? God’s word is not unclear that the mark is not a physical mark at all.

  • Lee Rice

    Emery, For goodness sake. People on here spend a great deal of time in study of God’s Word. Each person has their own view of the Rapture and Tribulation as it refers to God’s people.

    I sometimes think that maybe we need to go thru a couple of years of Tribulation. Then I think my loving God said he would save us. I lean strong

    ly to the fact that we will be out of here before the Anti-Christ is going to TRY to take hold of strong Believers in Jesus Christ.

    Where in the world did you get your belief that the Mark only signifies Metaphorically ones actions? GOD said there would be a mark and we were not take it. If God says mark, I believe Him.

    I wonder how many on here have your same views. I will study further and continue to study until My Lord shouts, “come up hither” Cannot wait.

    • Emery

      Lee;
      No, they read the KJV, which is VERY misleading owing to the over 20,000 MISTRANSLATED words, and ADDED spurious texts in it. It’s NOT accurate, as compared to the 16,000 ancient scrolls from which all Bibles get translated. AND they read it through the lens of RELIGION, which God says are ALL false religion. Fake. If you studied an accurate copy of God’s word, and stopped reading it through the lens of fake religion, you would see that what you mistakenly think is a rapture, is actually the remnant of the 144,000 being taken to heaven to fight the final battle with Jesus. It is NOT a rapture of any church. And for each person to have their own idea of God’s word is PROOF that none know what it says Lee. ANd you would see that the term “antichrist” does NOT refer to an individual, but to ALL who are antichrist as a group. And where did I get the accurate fact that the “mark” is not physical? FROM GOD’S WORD, where else? The mark signifies not being separate from the world. Jesus taught to be “no part of the world”.John 15:17 “These things I command you, that you love one another. 18 If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you. 19 If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, for this reason the world hates you.

      One who remains part of the world has the mark of the beast. One who remains no part of the world, does not. It’s quite simple actually.

      • Dianne

        Emery,
        REVELATION 14:1-4 And I looked, and, like, a Lamb stood on mount Sion, and with HIM an hundred forty and four thousand (144,000), having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.

        And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

        And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

        These are they which WERE NOT DEFILED WITH WOMEN; FOR TGEY ARE VIRGINS. These are they which follow the Lamb withersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

        NWT ( NEW WORLD TRANSLATION)/ NEW WORLD ORDER= the synagogue of SATAN. Revelation 3:9

        Society: an organized group of persons associated together for RELIGIOUS, benevolent, cultural, scientific, political, patriotic, or other purposes.

        • Dianne, a number of us have tried to reason with Emery; it’s impossible, just as it is impossible to hatch a cracked egg! He’s been around that circle so many times, that he keeps digging himself in deeper and deeper. He’s been brainwashed really well; don’t waste your time. Watch now, and see the horribly negative things he will have to say about me now. I just delete his reply and move on to the next that has some credibility!

          • Dianne

            Thanks Skywatcher57,
            Emery is definitely going down the ‘ rabbit hole’. I really pity the fool. Now he’ll come back with more attacks because he knows just like Satan that his time is short.

          • Emery

            No rabbit hole Dianne. None of you have tried to ‘REASON” at all. All you have done is attack and call names and attack dead people. None of you even know what “reason” means apparently. I am not digging anything, and I am not brainwashed. God doesn’t brainwash people. Your religion does though. I’ve seen it personally. I don’t ever say “negative” things about anyone. I only state facts and truth. And Dianne, the only people with whom you have credibility with, are those who are not believers. Worldly people. Those whom are doomed to destruction at the hand of God.

        • You’re welcome, Dianne. My father always said, “You can’t reason with a fool, and don’t waste time arguing with one!”

          I hope Emery brings in a whopping disability cheque each month! He apparently has plenty of time and is disabled in regards to listening to good sound reason and biblical exegesis! His fatih is in a baby “society”/ cult that isn’t all that old, compared with Judaism! And, yet, the Watchtower Society is right, despite the evidence of its lies and rewriting the “scriptures” to their advantage, and then ultimately prophesying that Christ was coming on various dates and He didn’t, thereby making them false prophets, worthy of death! Yep! You and I are doomed, Dianne! Snicker snicker! 🙂 God bless you!

  • tiptopsaidhe

    Emery, which version of the Holy Bible would you recommend we use? and why would you recommend it?

    • Emery

      I use the NWT, since it is EXACTLY accurate as compared to all 16,000 ancient texts from which Bibles are translated.
      The Orthodox Jewish Bible is second accurate, and the Young’s Literal Translation is third on the list. The last two have only a few hundred mistranslated words. The ASV, NIV, KJV, and almost all others contain 20,000 or so mistranslated words. Changing ONE WORD of a sentence changes it’s entire meaning. Changing ONE WORD of a paragraph changes the paragraph. Adding 20,000 such changes prevents one from being able to ACCURATELY take in God’s word, as God intended it.

      I prefer an accurate translation, and had to use one I had created in the middle 1970’s, until about 6 years ago, I learned of Jehovah’s Witnesses, and accepted one of theirs. I checked it’s accuracy, and it’s 100% accurate, AND it’s in modern English too. The modern English aspect doesn’t affect me as much as it affects most other readers. If a reader uses a book in his/her own common language, it’s much easier to assimilate what it says.

      • Dianne

        Emery,
        Deuteronomy 4:2 YE SHALL NOT ADD UNTO THE WORD which I command you, NEITHER SHALL YE DIMINISH OUGHT FROM IT, that ye may keep the COMMANDMENTS of the LORD your GOD
        which I command you.

        Revelation 22:19 And if ANY MAN shall TAKE AWAY from the words of the BOOK of this prophecy, GOD shall TAKE AWAY his part out of the BOOK OF LIFE, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are WRITTEN in this book.

        Proverbs 30:6 ADD thou NOT to HIS words, lest HE REPROVE thee, and thou be found a LIAR.

  • tiptopsaidhe

    JWs used the KJV until 1950, citing it’s archaic language as the reasoning for making a new translation. All experts on readability still cite the KJV as the most easily readable version of the bible.

    The NWT also made a fundamental shift from the majority texts (99% agreement of all available copies of the texts) to the minority texts of Westcott and Hort. You will likely find something like this in your introduction: The 4th edition of the UBS Greek New Testament and the 27th edition of Nestle’s Novum Testamentum Graece…these are the exact same greek, based upon the minority of greek texts and available copies, not on the majority of greek texts and available copies.

    They had it right. Then, they found Hort didn’t believe in the deity of Christ, so they needed something to fit their religion. They found the minority texts.

    • Emery

      Boy are YOU confused. Jehovah’s Witnesses is not a religion, it’s a SOCIETY. The religion in which they adhere is “the one true faith” as taught by Jesus. The KJV was abandoned because the language WAS outdated by over 200 years by 1611, AND it contains over 20,000 translation errors, AND it has several ADDED spurious texts in it. It’s basically a Bible assembled, not translated, by the head of the Church of England, and was to reflect that church’s beliefs, NOT the inspired word of God. And there exists NO deity of the Christ. There exists ONE deity, and that’s the Christ’s FATHER, Jehovah God. God the Almighty. Almighty means the mightiest. Not ONE of the mightiest.

      • Dianne

        Emery,
        JESUS IS GOD!

        John 1:1 In the BEGINNING was the WORD, and the WORD was with GOD, and the WORD was GOD.

        John 1:14 And the WORD was made FLESH, and DWELT among us, and we beheld HIS GLORY, the glory as of the FATHER, full of grace and truth.

        John 10:30 I and my Father are ONE.

        Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be on HIS shoulders: and HIS NAME shall be CALLED WONDERFUL, COUNSELLOR, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, THE PRINCE OF PEACE.

        John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto HIM, My LORD and my GOD.

        • Emery

          Dianne;
          You are only sealing your fate, destruction in the tribulation. God is God the Almighty, and He created His son, Jesus. Your false quotations don’t support your lost cause. Your misunderstanding of what you post is laughable. You have NO CLUE what the scriptures you posted even mean, only the meaning YOU APPLY to them, NOT the meaning God intends when He inspired their writing. So very, very sad.

          • Dianne

            Emery,
            Do ye indeed speak righteousness, O congregation? do ye judge uprightly, O ye sons of men?

            Yea, in heart ye work WICKEDNESS; ye weigh the violence of your hands in the earth.

            The WICKED are ESTRANGED from the womb: they go ASTRAY as soon as they are born, SPEAKING LIES.

            Their POISON is like the POISON of a SERPENT; They are like the DEAF ADDER that STOPPETH her EAR;
            Psalms 58:1-4

          • Emery, seeing that your “scriptures” are so new, I wonder if God is using a ballpoint pen or a gel pen! When the Hebrew Scriptures were written, pens and pencils didn’t exist! That’s how new your baby cult is! It must sadden you to know that you’re one of the new cult kids on the religious block, eh? And then, you have the arrogance, audacity, and deceptive spirit to come against the genuine article that aligns with the Dead Sea Scrolls! Pity the man who has an organization for a god!

      • Emery, I never thought we’d ever agree, but I must admit, I agree with this statement that you made: **”Jehovah’s Witnesses is not a religion, it’s a SOCIETY.”**

        Not only is it a “society”, but it is a cult! While I’m at it, your foolish rhetoric about the 1611 KJV being “assembled” and in error is insidiously and deceptively vile and antichrist! Why don’t you take a look at the 1526 William Tyndale translation? For as much as Tyndale was allowed to translate before being mercilessly martyred by the RC cult, **the King James follows it word for word!** There have been no major doctrinal changes! Furthermore, it aligns perfectly with the Dead Sea Scrolls! Your New World Translation certainly doesn’t have that much credibility. Why do you try to deceive and lead others into Hell with you? Maybe, it’s because you follow a different gospel, that only your “SOCIETY” shoves onto people…

        • Emery

          Just what we need, ANOTHER idiot heard from. No, the society is not a cult, has none of the characteristics of a cult, and nothing they do resembles a cult. Your FAKE RELIGION only tells you that because they are scared of them, and God’s word, and those who accurately preach and teach it. They’re fearful of losing their cash cow. They take money from you, accept salaries, build huge elaborate buidings with your money, drive nice cars and dress well ALL ON YOUR DIME. AND they do not teach anything accurately about God’s word to boot. If they did, no one would attend their money gathering services, go to their bake sales and car washes to get money, nor support them in any way. Jesus said “you received free, give free”. We do exactly that. The society produces and distributes all of our bibles and literature FREE all over the planet. Yours charges for it.

          And no, what I posted about the KJV is completely accurate. The KJV does NOT follow any of the ancient texts word for word, it has over 20,000 deliberately mistranslated words in it. Nor does it align with any of the 850 scrolls found in 1946 known as the Dead Sea scrolls. It has 20,000 translation errors deliberately place there to change what the reader believes, and it works. You are evidence of that, being so gullible as you are. No major changes? What about removing God’s name? Or adding the word “hell” where it didn’t previously exist? Or changing pneumos to ghost instead of spirit or breath/wind? What about changing stauros from pole to cross? Those are HUGE major changes from Christianity as it was known in the first century. You are a liar as regards your post above. If you used an accurate Bible, you would know that the hell of fire and torment is fiction. It doesn’t exist. And you would know that we don’t have an immortal soul that is a separate part of us. You would know that the cross is a pagan symbol for Tammuz, a PAGAN God of Babylon and Rome. It didn’t exist in Christianity in the first century. But you’re too gullible for the truth I suppose.

          • Dear old sweet Emery! You never let me down! What do hemmorhoids do while you’re online? Surely they miss you! The Society has you, man, not Jehovah God!

          • Emery

            You would know better than I, since you are a walking hemmorhoid. And neither one “has” me roid boy.

          • Thanks, for the laugh, Emery! You said, “You would know better than I, since you are a walking hemmorhoid. And neither one “has” me roid boy.” I thought you didn’t call people names! Welcome to the club! How does it feel to be walking amongst humans again?

          • Emery

            I find it amazing that you believe that being rude, irreverent, unGodly and unChristlike is normal behavior. It may be for you, but not for God’s people. You are one of the most disgusting people I’ve encountered here.

          • My dear Emery, so good to hear from you again! Why you’re just a breath of fresh air on a hot and hazy day, aren’t you! You said, “I find it amazing that you believe that being rude, irreverent, unGodly and unChristlike is normal behavior. It may be for you, but not for God’s people. You are one of the most disgusting people I’ve encountered here.”

            Emery, you should consider yourself blessed in that I don’t cast judgment upon you in Jesus’ name! After all, that’s what we’re supposed to do as genuine Bible believers…cast out demons! Keep it up…. You wouldn’t be the first one that God answered my very specific prayer fo,r and He wiped them off the planet! Just saying…

          • Emery

            Skypollution;
            Clearly you are NOT one of God’s people. You’re not displaying hypocrisy again, as per your usual. Are all Canadians so abhorrent in their behavior? I’ve met many who were not. You, however, are not one who should be allowed to interact with other people. You don’t know how to behave towards others at all. You ignore the scriptural teachings on how to treat one another, completely. You DID, however, say that when I said you were something or other, that now how does it feel to be human again? This indicates that you believe such behavior is normal, and that you engage in it regularly.

            And you cannot “cast judgement upon you in Jesus’ name”. Who do you think you are, anyway? You offend Jesus constantly, and offend his Father constantly, and offend his Father’s servants constantly, and destroy God’s inspired word to match your own skewed and completely wrong understanding of them. You are quite the hypocrite. You are, as you constantly reiterate, God’s enemy. Being such, you CANNOT be one of God’s people. Not without repenting, praying for forgiveness, and making amends for your disgusting behavior. And then following God’s word from then on. You certainly don’t follow it right now. That’s quite evident. Now go get that paper route so that you can get off of mom’s computer in her basement where you live, and leave God’s people alone. I am sure though, that you want to be counted among those who murdered God’s son two thousand years ago. You want, it seems, to be a Pharisee or a Scribe of the first century. You can’t though, they’re all dead.

          • Emery, you poor deluded and crazy rascal…if you could see the beautiful estate-like grounds I happen to own! People get married on my property, have wedding pics and grad pics taken on my property. No, I don’t live in my deceased mother’s house, as you foolishly like to believe! The Almighty God of the Holy Bible has blessed me beyond words! Praise His name, for it is He alone who hath provided for all my temporal and spiritual needs.

            Emery, why do you insist upon coming to this forum? Is sheep-stealing your forte`? Do you get off by lying about all the various texts you’ve read and rewrote? How many years have you worked for the Society god, doing such deceptive works? Why don’t you show us some of the errors you say are in the KJV? Come on, just ten or twenty will do!

            I’ll bet you don’t have “the parts” to show us any, because you can’t! Millions before you have tried to do this, but it was all in vain. Let’s add you to the pile and let the flies walk all over you for a change! If you weren’t so dog-goned brainwashed, you’d have dried up and blown away a long time ago! You should take your NWT and use it for toilet paper; it doesn’t line up with the Dead Sea scrolls as I’ve already told you, and **your “Society” has rewritten it numerous times, to fit their agenda, in their short little lifespan as a cult.**

            In Rev. 21: 5-7, in your own “bible”, He does identify himself as Jehovah!

            **”And he that sat upon the throne (Christ) said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6. And he said unto me, It is done. I AM THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE END. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; AND I WILL BE HIS GOD, and he shall be my son.”**

            I guess we all know that there is really only one God, and Christ identifies himself as being eternal, and God! What part of that do you not understand? Oh wait! You cannot possibly understand that! It’s not written that way in your “scriptures”! Your society made some serious changes in its efforts to fleece millions upon millions of people of their money!

            Oh, wait a minute! I see further in Rev. 22: 12, 13, we see Jesus speaking again, claiming to be Jehovah! Yesiree, Bubba!

            **”And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE END, THE FIRST AND THE LAST.”** This is God’s title, and His alone!!!

            See v. 16, the same person (Jesus Christ) is still speaking: **”I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.”**

            In the KJV, these words are written in red ink, because it is Jesus Christ speaking them! I’m sure you already knew this, unless of course, the “Society gods” have rewritten Him out of that chapter too! You see, I have a friend who once believed as you do, but not anymore! He found the real Jesus Christ, God Almighty…Jehovah, as told in John 1: 1:

            **”In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was GOD”**

            **All emphasis mine!** He was not “a god” as your cottonelle softness misleads people into believing! That would mean there is more than one God, and you have stated that there is only one! Looks like Jesus Christ is the ONE! Jehovah was His O.T. name! 🙂

            I’ve had my fun with you today, Emery! Thanks, for showing the dear Bible-believing folk what you’re really made of! Don’t bother to dust the flies off, just back off, and walk away into the sunset, with your demonic tail tucked between your cloven-hooved legs! You won’t be missed, unless somebody is really hard up for cheap entertainment. Pack your bags and move on! Your deceit, arrogance, and haughtiness isn’t required here! Jesus/Jehovah loves you, and there is still time for you to open your eyes and your heart to Him.

          • Emery

            Skypollution;
            It appears that figurative speech is beyond your ability to understand. Put simply, living in your mother’s basement, is an indication of your emotional and spiritual immaturity. And you then go on to brag about the means of your living, against the scriptural command not to do so.

            Neither am I poor, or deluded, crazy or a rascal. Neither do I lie or rewrite ANY texts. Never have, never will. I obey all of God’s commands, clearly, you do not. And neither do I “work” for the Society. And I have shown many times all the errors in the KJV. Many times. And no, millions before me have not tried, or failed to do so. You’re lying. I am not brainwashed, but you clearly are. I have not dried up or blown away long ago, or at any time either. Your attacks on one of God’s servants is tantamount to an attack on God. I realize you hate Him, so you don’t need to continue to prove it to me. You’ve done it hundreds of times already. Once is enough. You hate God. I GET IT. And no, I won’t use the only 100% accurate translation of God’s word that exists, and use it for toilet paper. That would be foolish. God’s word is the single most valuable thing on Earth. To misuse it that way would be to insult God, as you again have done yourself. You may think insulting God is normal behavior, but I do not.

            No, Jesus does NOT identify Himself as his Father, Jehovah. You’re full of it up to your ears. Deluded, gullible, misled by Satan, and doing Satan’s work. Enough said. You work for Satan, not for God, and you hate God and love Satan, your father, the father of the lie. How about shutting up and going away now? Go stroll your “estate” and think of praises for Satan. Go and see the expanse of the means of your living and how to increase it, rather than doing what is required of you. Go and attack another group instead of God’s. Just go away.

          • Emery, you’re too kind! Oh, I’m going, you demonic dipstick, but not because you’re telling me too. I’ve brought you out so you could be exposed. Apparently, the passages in Rev. I showed you were too much. I understand. I’ll see you in the future, but you’ll see you were on the wrong team; your’s is going down, and I don’t gloat about that. It’s pitiful, when former JW’s can show me the errors they were sucked into believing, and you’re still milking away at the spiritual arsenic, trying to enourage others to nurse along with you.

          • Emery

            Skypollutant;
            You sure do think a lot of yourself. You have not “brought me out” or “exposed” anything. The Revelation quotes showed me nothing you think they did either. You’re so clueless, it’s very sad. No, we won’t see eachother. You, according to the scriptures, are an unbeliever, and all unbelievers will be exterminated. You included. Unless you change, and draw close to God, and OBEY His every command. It’s very doubtful you ever will, since you are in such a powerful cult that has you by the throat.

          • Emery

            Skypolluter;
            It amazes me that none of you refute the scriptural fact that you are unbelievers, and that your religion is fake religion and opposed to God. None of you refute the fact that all of you insult God, Jesus, and God’s word, not to mention God’s Earthly servants. And still, you make the claims you make. Remember, even the demons believe that Jehovah exists and is the sovereign ruler and creator of the universe. That doesn’t make one a “believer”. It only makes one slightly less intellectually moronic. None of you refute the scriptural fact that all unbelievers will be exterminated in the tribulation and final battle either. And you still go on with your false claims and haughty behavior. Not a one of you behaves as the scriptures TEACH us to behave. Not a one of you believes what a Christian is to believe according to God’s word either. No refutation of any of it, and still you make your false claims and attacks on God’s people. You all even attack dead people, who cannot defend themselves. Unbelievable.

    • tiptopsaidhe, did you know that Westcott and Hort were into the occult? Oneor both was also a homosexual. Did you know that Madame Blavatsky, another one of the revisionists who worked with them was also in the Occult? Yep! Now, that right there should tell a person with any level of common sense and freedom to think for oneself, that the devil certainly had his hand in those “holy” scriptures, with evil intent!

  • tiptopsaidhe

    Dianne, this is what NWT says:

    1 In the beginning was the Word,+ and the Word was with God,+ and the Word was a god.*

    They have to make the word of God fit their “religion”. So, they change anything that shows the deity of Christ.

    Here’s the undeniable proof in the New World Translation that Jehovah is God and Jehovah is Christ:

    Psalm 102 and Heb 1:8-10…

    NWT Psalm 102 O Jehovah, hear my prayer;+ Let my cry for help reach you.+ 2 Do not hide your face from me in my time of distress.+ Incline your ear* to me; Do answer me quickly when I call.+ 3 For my days are vanishing like smoke, And my bones are charred like a fireplace.+ 4 My heart has been struck down like grass and has withered,+ For I forget to eat my food. 5 Because of my loud groaning,+ My bones cling to my flesh.+ 6 I resemble the pelican of the wilderness; I am like a little owl among the ruins. 7 I lie awake;* I am like a solitary bird on a roof.+ 8 All day long my enemies taunt me.+ Those who mock me* use my name as a curse. 9 For I eat ashes as my bread,+ And my drink is mingled with tears,+ 10 Because of your anger and your indignation, For you lifted me up only to cast me aside. 11 My days are like a fading shadow,*+ And I am withering like grass.+ 12 But you remain forever, O Jehovah,+ And your fame* will endure for all generations.+ 13 Surely you will rise up and show mercy on Zion,+ For it is time to show her your favor;+ The appointed time has come.+ 14 For your servants find pleasure in her stones+ And have affection even for her dust.+ 15 The nations will fear the name of Jehovah, And all the kings of the earth your glory.+ 16 For Jehovah will rebuild Zion;+ He will appear in his glory.+ 17 He will pay attention to the prayer of the destitute;+ He will not despise their prayer.+ 18 This is written for the future generation,+ So that a people yet to be brought forth* will praise Jah. 19 For he looks down from his holy height,+ From the heavens Jehovah views the earth, 20 To hear the sighing of the prisoner,+ To release those sentenced to death,+ 21 So that the name of Jehovah will be declared in Zion+ And his praise in Jerusalem, 22 When the peoples and kingdoms Gather together to serve Jehovah.+ 23 He prematurely robbed me of my strength; He cut short my days. 24 I said: “O my God, Do not do away with me in the middle of my life, You whose years span all generations.+ 25 Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth, And the heavens are the work of your hands.+ 26 They will perish, but you will remain; Just like a garment they will all wear out. Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away. 27 But you are the same, and your years will never end.+ 28 The children of your servants will dwell securely, And their offspring will be firmly established before you.”+

    Reading the Psalm, one can clearly see it is addressed to Jehovah, yes?

    Now, let’s go to Heb 1:8-10 in the New World Translation…

    Heb 1:8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne+ forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.* 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”+ 10 And: “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”+

    If you look at v25 of Psalm 102 and v10 of Hebrews 1, you see it says the same thing…O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.

    Now, look again at the beginning of Heb 1:8…about whom is it taling? “But about the Son”…it says. So, Psalm 102, addressed to Jehovah, is speaking of the Son.

    JWs deny the deity of Christ, yet their own, “infallible,” perfect version of the Holy Bible proves His deity.

    The next time a JW knocks on your door, take them through those 2 passages using their own bible and show them. They have been brainwashed, as Emery attests, that their version is the better one, even though the JWs used the KJV just a few decades ago.

    • Emery

      The “religion” is the ONLY religion that is a real religion, it is the “one true faith” that Jesus taught. Your scriptural quote is EXACTLY what ALL of the 16,000 existent ancient text read. It is YOUR religion and most Bibles that have CHANGED that scripture from god, to God to support the deity of Christ, which is not true, and is not real. Jesus, the Christ (messiah) is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of God the Almighty. Almighty means mightiest. No one mightier. It doesn’t mean ONE OF THE MIGHTIEST. It is your religion and Bible that has changed God’s word to match a religion that is fake and false. God’s word says all religions of man are false religion, and Jesus said they are all works of the flesh. The same works of the flesh you engage in by posting lies about God’s word and about Jesus and God Himself. And there exists NO UNDENIABLE PROOF that Jehovah is His son, Jesus, and that Jesus is his own Father, God the Almighty. You are engaging in the grieving of the spirit. That is the ONE unforgiveable sin listed in God’s word. That spirit of God was used to create Jesus, the universe, us, and everything, and you are grieving it with your posts. You can expect the second death. Complete destruction. When you die, you are permanently gone, dead forever. And the same is true of ANYONE believing in the same lies, and teaching the same lies. And the society is not a religion. The religion to which all members of the society adhere is “the one true faith” taught by Jesus. It is the “Christian Congregation” that none of you are part of. You are all part of religions of man. Fake, false religion. Another judgement of death for you. But dead is dead. One cannot be more dead, or less dead. Just dead. And to God, you are dead. According to His inspired word, as that is what it says about those who do, teach, and believe what you do.

      • Pete

        Emery I see lots of rhetoric but still no scripture. Call me crazy but Christians prove their doctrine with SCRIPTURE. Try again.

        • Emery

          No Pete, you have seen no rhetoric from me. Calling something rhetoric that isn’t doesn’t make it so. What I’ve posted, ALL of what I’ve posted, is 100% accurate truth. And how would you know what Christians do? You are not one. What YOU do is post one scripture out of context and claim it means something other than what it REALLY means. That, I WON’T do. But you go ahead and lie about scriptures to your delusional audience in that delusional auditorium, from the make believe podium in your head.

          • Pete

            Still no scripture. Will I see any in my lifetime or are you planning on continuing to drone on and on?

          • Emery

            Pete;
            To you? No. Not to you who prove your hatred for God and His servants with your every keystroke. I wouldn’t speak to you after your first insult to me or God or Jesus or to God’s word, as you CONSTANTLY poste here. And drone on and on? No, I’ve NEVER droned on and on, or any other kind of droning Pete. Never have and never will. Your further insults don’t help your cause, they only further show yourself to be a fool.

    • Dianne

      Thanks for the info tiptopsaidhe, however I do not even open my door to a JW. I ask them to leave as soon as they announce that they are JW.

      • Emery

        Dianne;
        When the time of your destruction arrives, don’t say you were not warned by God. He has sent people to your door many times, and you indicated that you ask them to leave every time.

        • Pete

          What destruction are you referring to Emery?

          • Emery

            Pete;
            What kind of rediculous question is that supposed to be?

        • Pete

          Are you going to answer the question or ask more questions instead? What destruction are you talking about?

          • Emery

            Pete;
            You’re not for one minute going to cause me to believe that you don’t know that God is going to exterminate all unbelievers in the tribulation and final battle. Unbelievers are those who do not adhere to the “one true faith” and who do not do the ENTIRE will of God, all day, every day, no exceptions. It does include ALL who are any part of any religion of man, or government of man, or who destroy the Earth physically or spiritually.

            Have you not EVER studied a copy of God’s word? I find it impossible to believe that you have not. My guess is that you are acting immaturely.

          • Pete, PLEASE be very careful how you respond to Emery! After all, he is the Almighty, and as you can see, he’s good at pronouncing judgment! Many of us have spent hours with this brainwashed JW, but he keeps coming back for more. He may as well join the Christian Science movement or the Mormons; they share the same biblical accuracy and they can all tell lies like their master does!

          • Emery

            Skypollution;
            You hate God’s people because they avoid ALL religions of men, as God commanded; they work to fulfill Matthew 24:14 since NO ONE ELSE DOES; they have produced the ONLY 100% ACCURATE TRANSLATION OF GOD’S WORD; and they remain no part of the world and NO ONE ELSE DOES; and out of love for all mankind, they bring the good news of the Kingdom to ALL on Earth and warn them of what’s to come, as NO ONE ELSE DOES THIS; and they ONLY believe what God’s word says, nothing more, nothing less, and NO ONE ELSE ON EARTH DOES THAT EITHER. You hate them because they do what you REFUSE to do, even though God COMMANDS ALL TO DO THESE THINGS. You IGNORE the commands of God, and God’s witnesses OBEY ALL of them. Something you would NEVER do in a million years. People have attacked, beaten, reviled, and killed God’s servants throughout history, and they do it today, as evidenced by all of your heineous posts and attacks on us, God, Jesus, and God’s inspired word. Okay, you hate God. We get it. Can’t you find something better to do than to continuously tell everyone how much you hate Him? Maybe you could get a second job. A paper route or something that woud occupy your time and keep you off your mom’s computer in her basement, where you most likely live, since you won’t accept responsibility for your own life and needs. Give it a try sometime. You might like it. But STOP proving how much you hate God all day, every day. It’s pointless. You’re dead in His eyes already. You cannot become MORE dead. Dead is dead.

        • Pete

          Emery are you referring to the great white throne judgement? Or something else. I am not in agreement with anyone here that a “final battle” between Jesus and evil will occur in the future.

          • Emery

            Pete;
            The throne is figurative. the final battle is figurative also. There is no battle as per se. The scriptures say that the destruction will be instantaneous. In the blink of an eye. All will be essentially exterminated, except those whom God protects. The great crowd, who are the ones who associate with, work with, and support the still alive remnant of God’s chosen, the 144,000. That 144,000 still alive, the remnant, will be taken to be with Jesus at the height of the tribulation, to fight the final battle, so to speak, with Jesus. This is what fake religion thinks is a “rapture of the church”. No such rapture is real, and won’t happen. The scriptures say the understanding of God’s word is veiled from the unbelievers, by Satan. Unbelievers are those not of the annointed 144,000, or the great crowd. And believe me, the veil works quite well. No one from any religion has any idea what the scriptures really say. That’s why they ALL teach something different from all other religions. And not one of them is correct. No two teach the same things. None teach God’s word accurately, and none of them teach the “one true faith” exactly as Jesus taught it in the first century.

            Does that answer your question?

        • Pete

          Emery where is this instant destruction described in the Bible, chapter and verse please. And why are the 144,000 called the “first-fruits” of the Lamb? And why are they described as if they are of the tribes of Israel?

          • Emery

            Pete;
            What, am I your teacher? Are you my student? No on both counts. It’s YOUR job to learn these things, not mine to teach you, over the internet, on a public blog. My students are one on one, once a week, for one to two hours a week. NOT on a public blog site filled with nosy, haughty, self professed “Christians” who are not Christian at all.

            STUDY God’s word, cover to cover. And then do it again. And then again. And never stop. That is God’s command to us. To take in ACCURATE information from His word, DAILY.

        • Pete

          Emery no, you are not my teacher. But you make all kinds of statements and claims without scripture support. You just declared to a total stranger that she is going to be destroyed. Based on something she posted here in this forum. I would think that if what you believe is that solid, it should be simple for you to post the scriptural support for it. If you have the time to post all the things you have posted, you should have the time to type the scriptures.

          Or a simple “I don’t know” works as well.

          • Emery

            Scriptural support? Don’t be rediculous. I have the entire inspired word of God for scriptural support. Simply because I don’t do YOUR work for you in checking to see if what you read is accurate, doesn’t mean I don’t have “scriptural support”. Declared? No, stated a fact. Yes, based on her preachings and beliefs, she will be destroyed, if she doesn’t repent, pray for forgiveness, and draw close to God after abandoning fake religion. All will, who adhere to fake religion. Only ONE real, non-fake religion exists, and it’s what Jesus taught. It’s no church, it’s the “one true faith”. The way it was taught and believed and practiced in the first century. NOT the way it’s pretended to be done today, by churches and religions and religionists. What I posted is 100% accurate. And I don’t need YOU to tell me what I posted. I KNOW what I posted. I posted it. Remember? Type scriptures? Sure, I have time. But what’s the point? A scripture here or a scripture there teaches one NOTHING. If that one does his/her own research, that one LEARNS the scriptures in CONTEXT what they REALLY and ACCURATELY say. NOT what some fake religion TELLS her to believe it says.

            And “I don’t know”? No, I DO know. I know the scriptures VERY WELL. And I know them for several reasons. One, I studied, in college, translation of ancient Koine Greek and ancient Hebrew into English, and I compared all the available ancient texts to all the available English translations of God’s word. I never found one until 6 years ago. And it’s the ONLY one that is 100% accurate compared to ALL the ancient texts, and it’s NOT the KJV, which has over 20,000 deliberately mistranslated words. Yes Pete, I DO know. How much of this type of study have YOU done? None, I’m sure. We are commanded by God to take in ACCURATE knowledge of Him, DAILY.

        • @ Emery
          But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach ANY OTHER gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be ACCURSED.
          As we SAID BEFORE, so say I NOW AGAIN, if ANY MAN preach ANY OTHER gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be ACCURSED.
          For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. Galatians 1:8-10

          If there come ANY unto you, and bring NOT this doctrine, receive him NOT into your house, NEITHER bid him God speed: 2 John 1:10

          Jehovah Witness Cult is ANATHEMA!!!!!

          • Emery

            Dianne;
            The scripture that you paraphrase is a recordation of an annointed son of God, speaking to other annointed sons of God, the 144,000. NOT to you and me, so therefore it’s not appropriate. And if it were, then you are displaying extreme hypocrisy. Not one post of yours was scripturally accurate according to how God intended to speak to us. You changed all of them to suit your needs. AND you quote scriptures from a flawed translation, making it even more inaccurate. And you ATTEMPT to reprimand me (as if it were your place or right) for doing just what you just did. That IS hypocrisy on your part. Are you even aware of what you type as you type it?

            And AGAIN, no, there is no Jehovah Witness Cult, and neither are JW’s anathema. Why you CONSTANTLY attack God and His servants is a mystery. Well not really. I know why you do it. It’s to serve God’s opponent. God started NO CULT Dianne. He DOES call all religions of man false religions, like the one you belong to. It’s not a bad idea to “flee” from it as God COMMANDED us all to do, and cling ONLY to Him and to an ACCURATE translation of His inspired word. Then you may be able to benefit from His many promises to us. If you spent your time doing those things, instead of attacking God’s servants, God, Jesus, and God’s word, you would have SOME hope. Repenting, praying to God in Jesus’ name for forgiveness, and making amends would be a great start. Try it. You have only your life to gain. But attacking God’s servants is NO DIFFERENT than attacking God Himself, thus making you His enemy. Is that REALLY what you want?

          • Dianne, you stick to your guns! He that is in you (the Holy Spirit of God) is greater than the demons that are in and manifesting through Emery! It’s very sad that they (JW’s) are forbidden to read or to look at anything that is not of their god, the SOCIETY! This is absolute proof that it is a cult, for it forbids their people to see both sides of the equation, and only what they want them to see. It’s part of their mind control/brainwashing program! I know you know this, but I’m putting it out there for others who may not know. Emery’s lack of biblical education is blatantly obvious because when Pete and others ask him to support his points with Scripture, he CAN’T! It’s not a matter of he won’t, but he can’t! He attempts to portray himself to be the expert on all matters pertaining to Biblical exegesis, but his feeble and lack of attempts to do so, portray him to be the extreme opposite. When one takes the NWT and compares it to William Tyndale’s first English version (for the common people), it doesn’t match up! It doesn’t match up with the infamous Dead Sea Scrolls, which support the KJV! It doesn’t match up with the copies of the original manuscripts either. When his “scriptures” do not match up with the copies of the originals, there is a huge problem.

            I don’t see you attacking God or any of His servants in this post. I don’t see why he feels there is a “mystery” for opposing the servants of Satan. God’s Word makes it abundantly clear as to who the spiritual enemies are, and we are not to be spiritual bedmates with them, welcoming, warming, and blessing them. Why? The O.T. principle applies here too: “Lest you learn their wicked ways…”

            Don’t spend a lot of time with this cat, Dianne; he’s been given over to a reprobate mind (Rom. 1), which doesn’t only apply to homosexuals, but to anybody who puts another god of another kind before the God of the Holy Bible, not desirous of ever wanting to get to know Him through Jesus Christ. God bless you!

          • Emery

            Skypolluter;
            A quote: “Dianne, you stick to your guns! He that is in you (the Holy Spirit of God) is greater than the demons that are in and manifesting through Emery! It’s very sad that they (JW’s) are forbidden to read or to look at anything that is not of their god, the SOCIETY! This is absolute proof that it is a cult, for it forbids their people to see both sides of the equation, and only what they want them to see. ”

            God’s spirit is NOT in Diane. It can’t live in people, it’s not alive. No demons are in or manifesting through me. God’s witnesses are not “forbidden” to read or to look at anything that is not of their God, the Society. Our god is not the society you moron. Nor is it proof of ANYTHING, much less that God is responsible for starting a cult. Nor does it forbid us from ANYTHING. You have NO UNDERSTANDING at all of God’s word. All of God’s witnesses believe, teach, preach, and live by the inspired word of God, and NOTHING ELSE, ever. We adhere to it completely and entirely. The same CANNOT be said for you or for Dianne, or for many others on this blog. In fact, this blog is to discuss things NOT to attack God and His servants, which you seem OBSESSED with doing. As I stated before more than once, I GET IT that you HATE God and His servants. Continuing to prove it is pointless.

            Another quote: ” It’s part of their mind control/brainwashing program! ” And what “mind control/brainwashing program” is that Skypolluter? Are you saying that God’s word is a mind control/brainwashing program? I assure you, it’s not. Why you CONSTANTLY attack God and His word and His son and His servants is still a mystery to me. Tell me, why do you hate God so very much? Why do you constantly attack Him and anything or anyone to do with Him? What did He ever do to you? He gives you rain, life, food, shelter, clothes, and many other countless things, all day, every day. And for all of that you attack and insult Him all day every day.

            God’s word says that love of God means OBEYING HIS COMMANDS, and yet His commands are not burdensome. 1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and carry out his commandments. 3 For this is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments; and yet his commandments are not burdensome,

            So you don’t love the children of God as evidenced by your speech. Neither do you love God as also evidenced by your speech. You do NOT obey His commands. If one obeys God’s commands because they love Him, then disobeying His commands shows a lack of love for God. I’ve seen you disobey almost EVERY command from God in your posts. Proof positive.

            And you lie severely claiming I have no Biblical knowledge. Hypocrite! Since 1975 I have studied and translated God’s word over, and over for over 40 years. Something YOU are not able to honestly claim. I have forgotten more than you will ever know about God’s word, and I forget VERY LITTLE. I have a photographic memory and can remember almost everything from the age of 2 onward. Again, something YOU cannot claim for yourself. No sky, I know God’s word inside and out, forward and backward. And you say that I don’t know God’s word because I don’t hypocritically do what you do: post one scripture to “prove” something. God’s word isn’t set up that way. One text cannot prove much of anything. Out of context, it is almost useless. In context, it is full of gems that you will never see. You cannot take the entirety of God’s word and learn from it. Only bits here and pieces there. And you do it from a falsely translated copy of it. And still, you claim to know what you’re talking about. No Sky, you are quite the fool. Jesus warned us about people exactly like you. Many times in fact. I don’t engage in your foolishness because it IS foolishness. And I don’t engage in classes on a PUBLIC BLOG. Another example of your disobeying God, is to NOT search for yourself, within the scriptures, to see if what you have been told is true or not. You’re TOO LAZY to obey God and do that. Lazy and hypocritical. Not good personality traits.

            And yes, attacking God’s people, God’s word, and lying about God and Jesus IS ATTACKING GOD. And you HAVE been doing it all along, and so has Dianne., REPEATEDLY.

            And another lie of yours is to claim that I have been “given over to a reprobate mind”, which is absolutely false. Again I ask, can you EVER say anything that is TRUE? If you can, I’ve yet to see it here. If you do it elsewhere, why not here? Why constantly lie, and why constantly attack God?

          • Emery

            Skypolluter;
            Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man is to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will repay each one according to his behavior

            Exodus 23:23 “You must not spread a report that is not true. Do not cooperate with a wicked one by becoming a malicious witness. 2 You must not follow after the crowd to do evil, and you must not pervert justice by giving testimony to go along with the crowd.

            Proverbs 20:11 Even a child is known by his actions,
            Whether his behavior is pure and right.

            So you see how much you have been disobeying God the Almighty? Proof of your LACK of love for Him. Proof positive. And proof positive of your hypocritical posts.

            And to think you say these things about God’s SERVANTS on Earth, and about God’s INSPIRED WORD. And about an organization of God’s servants whose ONLY PURPOSE is to spread the good news of the Kingdom. Something you COMPLETELY FAIL TO DO yourself, in further disobedience to God.

            Mark 13:9 “As for you, look out for yourselves. People will hand you over to local courts, and you will be beaten in synagogues and be put on the stand before governors and kings for my sake, for a witness to them. 10 Also, in all the nations, the good news has to be preached first.

            Acts 20: 24 Nevertheless, I do not consider my own life of any importance to me, if only I may finish my course and the ministry that I received from the Lord Jesus, to bear thorough witness to the good news of the undeserved kindness of God.

            Romans 15:16 for me to be a public servant of Christ Jesus to the nations. I am engaging in the holy work of the good news of God, so that these nations might be an acceptable offering, sanctified with holy spirit.

            1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me, not to baptize, but to declare the good news; and not with wisdom of speech, so that the torture stake of the Christ should not be made useless.

            1 Corinthians 9:23 But I do all things for the sake of the good news, in order to share it with others.

            2 Corinthians 4:3 If, in fact, the good news we declare is veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.

            1 Thessalonians 2:3 For the exhortation we give does not spring from error or from uncleanness or with deceit, 4 but just as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the good news, so we speak to please, not men, but God, who examines our hearts

            So you can see clearly that when you lie, revile, and attack me for declaring the good news, that in doing so, you are affirming that I am doing EXACTLY as God has commanded us all to do. If I were not doing it correctly and accurately and truthfully, you would have no reason to attack. You simply DON’T WANT the good news preached anywhere to anyone. It’s an honor to receive the same attacks and persecutions that the Christ underwent when HE preached the exact very same good news about the Kingdom. He was killed for doing the same thing, by people JUST LIKE YOU.

        • Evil Emery, my information comes from apostate JW’s, who were JW’s for many years, and were steeped in the “stuff”, you arrogant and haughty satanic bum wipe! They are NOT ignorant of the wiles of the devil, as you’d like to deny, or his workings in your cult. Get over it! REPENT, and ask Christ to be your personal Savior and LORD! He loves you, Emery, and wants you to come into His fold and away from the hoards of Hell.

          Hell would be in your NWT if they hadn’t changed it a number of years ago! Hmmm…that seemed to work into their evil plan quite well…to collect billions of dollars throughout the years…

          You’re such an arrogant and haughty piece of work, that you won’t even hit your reply button so we can directly reply to you. Don’t bother now! I’ve said my piece; there are people who are wounded, broken, and hurting, who need to hear the good news of the real gospel, so I believe I’ll say “ado” to you, and leave you to boil in your gastric and vitriolic juices! I’m sure to the cult, you must be some kind of a star performer. Don’t forget…a star is nothing but a huge ball of gas, burning itself out. I hope you see the parallel…

          • Emery

            Skypolluter;
            Even though I posted SEVERAL scriptures regarding God’s teachings on BEHAVIOR, you STILL ignore God’s commands, proving your LACK of love for Him. As far as your apostate friends, they’re dishonest. They made a COMMITTMENT to God, and BROKE THAT COMMITTMENT. They were not very faithful in the first place, and if they’re like almost ALL such apostates, knew little of what God teaches. They “coasted along” rather than obeying God. So they’re very poor sources of information. And no, I am not a “bum wipe” you foul mouthed little apostate of fake religion. I am neither arrogant nor haughty, but your post alone PROVES that you are accusing ME of what YOU ARE GUILTY OF. You are VERY VERY HAUGHTY AND ARROGANT. Why else would you be so foul mouthed and disobedient to God and so clinging to the lies of fake religion? Very typical of your type. Accuse the faithful of what YOU are guilty of, when the faithful are guilty of NONE OF IT. It doesn’t work. It just shows you to be puny little people with puny little intellects who hate God. Proof again in that you accuse God of starting a cult. Isaiah 43:10 “You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I am the same One. Before me no God was formed,
            And after me there has been none.

            I didn’t see ONE WORD in that scripture that mentioned anything to do with any cult. Proof you are a liar. I have no need to ask Jesus ANYTHING, since he is with us constantly until the end. He is the head of our congregation. He directs us through the faithful and discreet slave, the remnant of the 144,000 co-priests and co-kings with Him, and co-heirs of the Kingdom with him. So if he’s already with us, why ask him to be with us? That would be rediculous.

            Sky, I am definately not an arrogant and haughty “piece of work”. I have no “gastric and vitriolic juices” in which to boil. I have no cult, know of no cult, and am part of no cult. But again, you accuse me of what YOU are guilty of. YOU are immersed in a cult fake religion.

  • Lee Rice

    It is so simple to me. God Created the Earth and rested on the 7th day. In the end, He will destroy the earth. Over and out. I read the KJ Bible. I cannot get enough of studying the WORD. God warned that no one should change a Word in His love letter to us. These churches who re-write the Bible will pay the price. I love watching some of the teaching from Seventh Day, but when they bring up Ellen White, I change the channel.. It is a simple ploy by satan to draw you away from the WORD of GOD.

    • Emery

      God’s word says the Earth will REMAIN until TIME INDEFINITE. It ALSO says it will ALWAYS be populated with man. Nothing says God will EVER destroy the Earth. Psalm 37:29 The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it.

      How can the righteous “live FOREVER on it”, if it is destroyed? The answer must be that they can’t. It will NEVER be destroyed. God WILL destroy the “world” which means the people and societies and governments and religions, but NOT the planet, and NOT the righteous, which are VERY FEW.

  • Lee Rice

    Emery, maybe you wd be happier talking with your own church. Have you even studied Revelation? Or does your church leave that out for fear their collection plate might drop? The New Jerusalem and Heaven will be where those who know beyond a doubt that Jesus was God in the flesh who gave His life and showed us what ressurectioni was all about. He loved us so much. Everytime I complain about an ache or pain, I am reminded Jesus took nails in his wrists and feet. We hav all tried to reach you. Personally I will not respond to anymore of your long long posts.

    • Emery

      Lee;
      Realize that it’s up to ME, not you or anyone else, with whom I talk. Realize also, that I obey ALL of God’s commands, and He commanded us to “flee” from religions of man, calling ALL of them “false religion”. Jesus called them “works of the flesh”. Realize this also, I am part of no “church” or religion of man. Have I ever studied Revelation to John? Literally, hundreds of times, word for word, comparing each scripture to each other scripture in the entire Bible, over and over, for 45 years. And no, spiritual Israel, the Israel of God, know that Jesus was NOT God in the flesh. Believing such would prevent them from being part of the Israel of God. No Lee, NONE of you have “tried to reach me”. You all have ATTACKED me, called names, reviled me, engaged in ad hominem attacks, and posted falsehoods about God and His word, and His son. And why would I care if you respond to any of my posts? You have chosen to turn your back on God, and refuse to believe that you may not be on the right path, which you’re not. You’ve chosen destruction. You’re happy with that decision. All I can ever do is point the way. You’re not looking at what I’m pointing at. That is God that I am pointing at, whom you are ignoring. You act as though it’s some sort of punishment that you don’t respond. Trust me, it’s not. It’s a relief. But all of the persecution from you and all the other apostates on this blog only prove that I am doing exactly what God, and His son, commanded us, God’s faithful, to do. It’s an honor to be so persecuted. It’s proof positive of the right course.

      • Pete

        Emery virtually nothing you write is backed up by you with scripture. Nothing. You spout JW talking points and spew venom hoping to piss people off. And you succeed only in pissing yourself off.

        Why don’t you just go piss off. Nobody cares. Nobody is impressed by what you think is wisdom and knowledge.

        • Emery

          Pete;
          You truly are cluless. Talking points? Now THAT’S hilarious. There ARE no talking points. You’re very funny. Very UNINFORMED. I spout, or spew NOTHING, hoping to DO nothing. I NEVER get angry Pete. You do. Your’ posts DRIP with your anger. The more angry you are, the more the mistakes you make, and the more absurd you appear. I am not here either, to “impress” anyone Pete. And again, there goes your filthy mouth.

        • Emery

          Pete;
          If no one “cares”, then why do 9 million so far “care”? And for what reason would I care if ANYONE is “impressed by what I think is wisdom and knowledge.”? It makes NO difference to me at all. I am not here to impress anyone. You seem to think YOU are here to impress people though. You sure give that impression.

      • Pete

        You are the worst JW ever. You are supposed to recruit people not push them away. You must be an anti-JW. A plant designed to make people hate the JW message. Congrats. You are doing an excellent job. Unless your mission is to invite enough abuse so that you earn more rewards. You are excelling at that.

        Hey Emery how come you can’t explain why the 144k are called the FIRSTFRUITS of the Lamb? Are you scared to answer Emmy? Yes you are. Because you know that destroys your entire system. I have asked you to explain this at least 5 times. You refuse to do so.

        Buck up and be a man. Put on your little black pants and white shirt. Ring the doorbell. Zip up your zipper and answer the question.

        • Emery

          Pete;
          Again with being CLUELESS about ANYTHING to do with Jehovah’s Witnesses. ANY witness is greatly loved and appreciated by Jehovah. There physically CANNOT exist “the worst JW ever”. No such thing exists.

          And Pete, what’s with the grade school rhetoric? You act MORE AND MORE like a little toddler in how and what you say. It’s like you’re regressing in age with each of your vile, attacking God posts of yours. And what’s my “entire system”? Wasn’t aware I had an “entire system” Pete. How is it you THINK you know ANYTHING about me or God’s witnesses at all? Clearly, based on ALL of your posts, you know NOTHING. And you can ask until you’re blue in the face Pete. What makes you think I would do ANYTHING for someone as vile, vitriolic, dishonest, Satanic, and apostate as you? What makes you think I would do a favor for someone who OPENLY attacks God, Jesus, God’s word, and God’s servants? Is it some DELUSION of yours?

          And Pete, I don’t wear “little black pants and white t-shirts”, so how or why would I “put them on”? Boy, are YOU CLUELESS. And wow you exhibit MANY psychopathological issues. It’s a wonder you are even allowed NEAR a keyboard attached to a computer with internet access. A REAL wonder.

          • Pete

            LOL Emery I just knew you wouldn’t be able to resist posting a response. Meanwhile you continue to refuse to answer my simple question. You are quarreling not arguing. You fail to provide scripture. Again why are you here? We don’t even use the same Bible. How can two sides have a debate (I use that tern loosely) when they aren’t even using the same basis for that debate?

            Will you ever answer my question? Or are you too afraid? If you need time to go study up, please do.

          • Emery

            Pete;
            Resist posting a response? What kind of stupid statement is that? I get an email, I answer it. It’s YOU who is stalking ME. It’s YOU who is ADDICTED to attacking anyone who believes differently from you, to somehow, prove your own justification. You HAVE no justification Pete. NONE. Nothing you’ve EVER posted herein is of ANY value. All it does is tear down God’s servants, God, God’s word, and God’s only begotten son, not to mention you performing the ONE unforgiveable sin: grieving the spirit..

            And using “LOL” is proof positive of your immaturity. You are nothing but an uneducated and uninformed kid. NOT an adult. And I already informed you previously that I don’t have any reason to “answer your questions”, since you are apostate, you HATE God, Jesus, God’s word, and God’s servants with a passion. You prove it with EVERY POST.

            No, I am neither arguing OR quarreling Pete. I am replying. I don’t “fail” to provide scripture Pete, there’s NO REASON for me to do so. It’s YOUR responsibility to CHECK to see if what someone tells you is true or not. That’s God’s command. It’s not MY responsibility to do that for you. You are quite lazy in that regard.

            Why am I here? That question was already asked, and answered. What difference does it make whether we “use the same Bible” or not Pete. That’s just stupid. Who cares? Basically, they all say the same things, except many mislead in the details quite a bit, owing to the 20,000 or so mistranslated words. And debating? Pete, you don’t even know how to debate. You’ve not even ATTEMPTED to do so in this blog. Not even once.

            Again, no, I won’t do your work for you. You do your OWN research into the scriptures. That’s why you have a Bible (and I use THAT term loosely). And no Pete, I am never afraid of ANYTHING. And no, I need no time to “study up”, as I know the scriptures like the back of my hand. I have known them for almost 45 years of intense research, reading, and study, and comparative analysis. No, I won’t attempt to teach you ANYTHING. You are UNTEACHABLE. And I don’t teach on a public blog. I teach one on one. Face to face. I always have, and I always will. I suppose that will change after the final battle, as resurrected ones will be many, and there will be few of us teachers, so it will then need to be done in larger groups. But no, I won’t teach YOU.

          • Pete

            //And using “LOL” is proof positive of your immaturity. //

            I used “LOL” in order to mock you.

            //What difference does it make whether we “use the same Bible” or not Pete.//

            Because, sir, if we do not have a basis point upon which to argue, there isn’t any point in having a discussion. It would be like arguing about what a passage of the Bible means, with an atheist. Since you think everybody here is an apostate, or a hater of God and His Word, I am struggling to understand why you are here. If what you claim is true, there is nothing for you to do here…except invite people to rail on you. Therefore the only conclusion I can come to is that you WANT people to rail on you, because as Skywatcher says, you believe you are being persecuted for Christ. Will you come clean and admit that is what you want? Or will you at least give forth a straightforward answer? If you are coming to witness to convert people to your “society”, you are doing a very poor job of it. I have talked to a few JWs in my day and none of them talk like this. They are very polite. Even when they are challenged.

            Are you new at this society thing?

            //Again, no, I won’t do your work for you. You do your OWN research into the scriptures. //

            OK, well the reason the 144k are called “firstfruits of the Lamb” is that they represent the first Christians of Israel. That’s the only meaning of “firstfruits”. It just simply means “the first ones.”

            That means these people were saved long long ago, in the 1st century AD. They symbolize a large number of people from every tribe who are washed in the blood of the Lamb and pure. The first Christians were Israelites, Jewish mostly, but I believe God saved Israelites from every tribe in that time.

            We are second, third, fourth, tenth, 500th fruits. Not first fruits. Impossible.

          • Emery

            Pete;
            The “mocking” of me, by you, proves conclusively that you don’t know God’s word, or don’t obey the commands contained within it. I am pretty sure it’s the latter. You have disobeyed God in each and every post you’ve made toward me, without exception. The love of God means that we obey His commands. You don’t obey, and therefore must NOT love God at all.

            Basis point on which to argue? Pete, I am not here to argue. Neither are you. You are here to simply attack, revile, and “mock” God’s people, and God, and God’s word, and God’s son. Further evidence of your hatred for Him.

            I don’t “think” everyone here is an apostate. I take the scriptural description of it, for what it says. I obey God as well. It’s NOT up to you to determine whether there is “anything for me to do here” or not. It’s NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. And Skypolluter is a fool. I KNOW I am being persecuted for proclaiming the Kingdom, and for pronouncing God’s personal name, AS HE COMMANDED us ALL to do, always. Something you FAIL miserably to do, as does Skypolluter. “Come clean”? You ARE a nutcase Pete. There is no “coming clean” possible. That would indicate that I hide things, which I don’t. There is no such thing as “convert people to your society”. It DOESN’T exist. And what other witnesses do, is of no concern. They are not ATTACKED viciously by apostates like yourself and Skypolluter, relentlessly, and STALKED by them, for extended periods. They are not exposed to people with psychological problems like attacking those who serve God, since you don’t, and you feel you MUST attack them to validate yourself. And there is no such thing as “new at this society thing” Pete. You most surely are CLUELESS. Your definition of firstfruits satisfies you I hope. I suppose you won’t ever know what it really means though. You don’t know what any other scriptural teaching means, so that shouldn’t be any different. The 144,000 are those whom God invites to be His adopted sons and daughters, to co-rule with Jesus, in heaven, over the Kingdom, whose domain is Earth. And no, they were first chosen in the first century, and have been chosen from then till now. They are not all Jews. SOME of the first Christians were Israelites. Your understanding is totally flawed regarding the 144,000, as is common with all who participate in the religions that God COMMANDED us to flee from. You most likely will NEVER know.

          • Pete

            Emery says //The “mocking” of me, by you, proves conclusively that you don’t know God’s word, or don’t obey the commands contained within it//

            Which commands, Emery? The ones that state I am not allowed to mock certain select people, such as yourself? Which bible verses are you going to use to defend this argument?

            //And no, they were first chosen in the first century, and have been chosen from then till now.//

            Here is what the verses say:

            Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

            So, they are people of Israel. Nobody else. Period. Unless you read a different Bible. In that case, I am done talking to you because we won’t get anywhere, and worse yet, nobody else will benefit.

            Then we read in Rev 14:4 that these same 144,000 are “were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.” What are firstfruits, Emery? Can a harvest that comes 2000 years after the first harvest still be called “firstfruits”?

            //Basis point on which to argue? Pete, I am not here to argue. Neither are you.//

            Then why do you continue to argue? I have yet to find a single post on this entire website where you don’t get the last word in. So, if you are going to answer back – especially with such strong statements as you make – you need to be making those statements using the same basis point that 100% of everybody else is using here: the Bible, and only the Bible. Not the Bible + whatever man-made commentaries you are working from.

            I am not here to argue. I am here to provide a different viewpoint. If people respond, I will gladly respond back and sometimes that results in an argument. I have no problem with arguments.

          • Emery

            Colossians 4:6 Let your words always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should answer each person.

            James 2:8 If, now, you carry out the royal law according to the scripture, “You must love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing quite well. 9 But if you continue showing favoritism, you are committing sin, and you are convicted by the law as transgressors.

            Galations 5:13 You were called to freedom, brothers; only do not use this freedom as an opportunity to pursue fleshly desires, but through love slave for one another. 14 For the entire Law has been fulfilled in one commandment, namely: “You must love your neighbor as yourself.”

            Romansw 13:9 For the law code, “You must not commit adultery, you must not murder, you must not steal, you must not covet,” and whatever other commandment there is, is summed up in this saying: “You must love your neighbor as yourself.”

            Mark 12:30 and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’ 31 The second is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.

            Matthew 5:43 “You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous.

            Matthew 19:18 He said to him: “Which ones?” Jesus said: “You must not murder, you must not commit adultery, you must not steal, you must not bear false witness, 19 honor your father and your mother, and you must love your neighbor as yourself.”

            Matthew 22:37 He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’

            Those are just for starters Pete. If God didn’t want us to obey those commands, He would NOT have inspired their writing within the scriptures. 1 John 5:3 For this is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments; and yet his commandments are not burdensome,

            So it is evident that you DO NOT LOVE GOD, since you DO NOT obey His commands.

            No, definately, the 144,000 WERE NOT CHOSEN IN THE FIRST CENTURY. The apostles, and MANY of the disciples, thousands at a time, were holy spirit annointed and were the first of the 144,000. You simply DON’T STUDY the scriptures, you passingly read them, without meditating on them, and you don’t compare scriptures to all other scriptures, and study them IN CONTEXT. If you had EVER done this, you would KNOW God’s word and UNDERSTAND even SOME of what is in there. As it is, you know NOT THE FIRST THINGS contained in His word. NOTHING AT ALL.

            No, you DON’T argue, you ATTACK and post childish challenges, that I will NEVER act upon. No, I WON’T teach you what the 144,000 are all about, since you don’t care to know. The ENTIRE NT is written BY, TO, and FOR the 144,000. EACH AND EVERY WORD is about them. No, you ARE NOT here to provide a different ‘VIEWPOINT”, you are here to ATTACK God’s servants, God, God’s son, and God’s inspired word with your EVERY POST. Your COMPLETE lack of love and respect for God and His word and son and servants is why I CANNOT teach you, not to mention that we are on a PUBLIC BLOG. I DON’T teach on a public blog, and I DON’T teach ones who HATE GOD with their very being, JUST LIKE YOU DO.

            You simply CANNOT stop attacking me and God, and you CANNOT stop yourself from continuing to post vitriolic and hateful things. YOU’RE ADDICTED TO IT. You’re ADDICTED to PROVING your HATRED FOR GOD. As I told you days ago, I KNOW you HATE GOD. You DON’T need to continue to prove it constantly, day and night, day after day. I UNDERSTAND. You can STOP now. I GET IT. You WANT God to destroy you. Worry not, HE WILL. You’ve accomplished what you set out to accomplish, YOUR DESTRUCTION. Mission accomplished. Job well done. Success. Finito, fini, finished, end.

          • Pete

            Emery finally posts some scripture, and they are verses he isn’t even obeying himself on this page. Just a few of the hate-filled words he posts: “Polluter of Canadian skys”. “Boy, are YOU CLUELESS.” “You act MORE AND MORE like a little toddler” . “it is evident that you DO NOT LOVE GOD, since you DO NOT obey His commands.” None of these words are spoken in love. There are many other ways to say these things and you choose to say them like this.

            Do YOU obey the royal law 100% of the time?

            // No, I WON’T teach you what the 144,000 are all about, since you don’t care to know. //

            I didn’t ask you to teach me, I already know what the 144k are. I am not here to be taught by you. Or anyone. I am here to present a different side. You are 100% incorrect about what the 144k are. I already proved that, with scripture. You have no answer other than “No it isn’t!”. No scripture whatsoever. You can’t refute that Revelation specifically states they are of Israel, from the 12 tribes. And unless there are only going to be 144,000 true believers in all of the planet, they must be the first Christians.

            I already know what you think about that statement. Which is why it’s pointless for us to argue. You could be standing outside my door right now and it wouldn’t make a difference.

          • Emery

            Pete;
            I have posted HUNDREDS of scriptures on this web site, and on THIS blog site. I just won’t TEACH you anything, since you have SUCH HATRED for God the Almighty. Yes, I DO obey all of God’s commands, all the time. “Skypolluter” is not disobeying God’s commands when I use that word. Obviously, THAT IS NOT HIS REAL NAME, is it? And you KNOW IT. Posting FACTS about someone is NOT disobeying God. Yes, Sky IS like a little toddler in his actions and words, SO ARE YOU. You BOTH show the maturity of a very small child. Petulent, abusive, unschooled in behavior, and VERY unschooled in God’s inspired word.

            Yes you DID ask, or rather COMMAND me to teach you. Saying you didn’t is lying. No, you proved NOTHING with your out of context scriptures from a false translation of God’s word. And Pete, I don’t argue, I post FACTS. It is YOU who explodes with hatred and anger and attacks on God, not me.

            Luke 6:31 “Also, just as you want men to do to you, do the same way to them.

            This is something YOU DON’T DO AT ALL. Surely you don’t want people to ATTACK viciously no matter what you say, telling lies about you all the time, as you constantly do to me, God, Jesus, and God’s word. Or DO you? I don’t know, maybe you are masochistic and LIKE self abuse. Who knows? But you certainly are a sadistic person with no love at all for your fellow man or for God who created you. You are ADDICTED to attacking and stalking me, and attacking God, WHOM YOU SHOULD LOVE.

          • Pete

            Emery,

            //Yes, I DO obey all of God’s commands, all the time. “Skypolluter” is not disobeying God’s commands when I use that word. //

            I see. So you define what God’s commands are, and of course they all just happen to be things that you do. Therefore by definition you always obey God.

            Bugger off now, we are all tired of your silliness.

          • Emery

            Pete;
            What ELSE are you ADDICTED to? I’m sure there are many things.

            No, God sets those parameters. You would know this if you ever knew anything contained within His word. And I don’t take commands from you, like “bugger off”. You have no right to make any demands of ANYONE. And I never engage in silliness, except with babies and small children when playing with them. I don’t engage in it on the internet, much less on this blog, EVER. But I understand, that God, Jesus, and God’s words, TO YOU, are silliness.

          • Emery

            You questioned your apostasy.

            Apostasy

            This term in Greek (a·po·sta·siʹa) comes from a verb literally meaning “to stand away from.” The noun has the sense of “desertion, abandonment, or rebellion.” In the Christian Greek Scriptures, “apostasy” is used primarily with regard to those who defect from true worship.—Pr 11:9; Ac 21:21; 2Th 2:3.

            RELIGIONS are not true worship of God. God said they are false. Jesus said they are “works of the flesh”. God also commanded us to “flee” from them.

        • Pete, when I read your comment about “pissing people off”, I kid you not, I head the first line of the “Hallelujah Chorus” refrain! I’ve been singing it since!!!

          You’ve made very excellent points here, and I thank you! Poor Evil Emery is so determined to sink the “big fish” that he failed to realize that he’s turning off quite a number of potential Society members, and embarrassing his own ilk! I can hardly wait to show his posts to my JW friend, and some who have defected!!! That’s a victory for the real Jesus Christ of Nazareth! Praise the Lord!

          He has shown off his haughty and arrogant ignorance by calling us apostate, which he apparently doesn’t even know what the word means! We cannot be “apostate” if we’ve never been a JW and fallen away from his cult! To them, all non-JW’s are “apostate” or “alien” (not human).

          His posts have been nothing more than very blatant, dangerous and self-condemning lies, and unfortunately, he will see that on the Day of Judgment, but it will be too late. He won’t even be allowed to sweep the streets of the New Jerusalem, much less be even allowed on them, unless he repents and accepts the Savior. And yes, there is still time while there is time. I hope he will take that opportunity to do so. He only gets “one kick at the can”.

          One would’ve thought that he would want to share supporting “scriptures” to not only give him some credibility, but to help to enlighten other seekers, but he doesn’t care enough to do that, because it would contradict this almighty statement that Dr. Emery said, Why, he could’ve even deceived people by using the KJV and NOT the NWT, for them to see the strong differences between the two, but he didn’t even bother to do that! He said,

          **” What difference does it make whether we “use the same Bible” or not Pete. That’s just stupid. Who cares? Basically, they all say the same things…”**

          That was the greatest lie he could’ve told, had he been the expert in Bible translations as he has stated numerous times! **Not only do they contradict each other, but they confuse many!** He should know that; it’s not rocket science.

          The vitriol and venom we see spouting out of him is the same stuff they “lovingly” (sarcasm) lavish on any who defect from their fold, whether it be a neighbor or one of their own children/extended family. They feel justified in doing that by taking Scripture out of context, picking a piece of a verse out here and there, forming that particular ungodly doctrine.

          Another point that you may already know is that they have been brainwashed to believe they are being “persecuted for Christ” when the demons in them are being confronted by those of us who recognize them, and address them accordingly! We are NOT attacking the person, but the demon within them that is spouting off all of this toxic teaching and attitude.

          I agree with you, he has inflicted more harm into his cult than he has done good! We can both praise God for that!

          Excellent posts, and you’re to be commended for your patience and willingness to reach out to him, and even to expose him. One cannot tell a know-it-all anything, and he has definitely proven this to be true. I hope that many others have seen our collective posts and realize that the Jehovah’s Witness cult is a very dangerous and greatly deceived and deceptive group of people.

          When a young “theological” group/cult comes onto the theological stage and boldly declares they have the ultimate truth and EVERYBODY else is “all wrong”, there is a huge problem! , **that should immediately raise red flags!** That is arrogance and ignorance at its best! That is not showing the humility of Christ, nor is it being honest on any level. That’s a pure indicator of some mighty powerful brainwashing!

          Blessings, Pete!

          • Emery

            Polluter of Canadian skys;
            Your information that you THINK is accurate, is anything but. I am most certainly not evil Sky, but your post to which I am now responding certainly is filled with evil statements. FILLED with them. Thus, your claim is HYPOCRITICAL. You ARE definately a hypocrite. You also commented that I am “turning off a lot of potential society members”. For some absurd reason, you THINK that I desire to draw anyone to be a “society member”. I assure you, that is not, nor ever HAS been my goal. So again, this PROVES that your “information” is quite flawed. You are being misled. Again. I am not “embarrassing” my own “ilk” either. And no, when people make a lifelong COMMITTMENT to God, and then BREAK that committment, it’s certainly no victory for Jesus. What an absurd statement by you. Really quite absurd. Of course, you’ve made many absurd statements. More than can be counted.

            And I have neither “haughty arrogant ignorance” whatever THAT means. And yes, you are apostate. Jesus said all religions who are not “the one true faith”, which is the ONLY REAL religion that exists, are all apostate. You are part of them, and are therefore apostate. I never said apostate to “the one true faith” until right now. But yes, you are. Sadly. And again, you have INSULTED God and Jesus in making that false statement. You made another false claim: “His posts have been nothing more than very blatant, dangerous and self-condemning lies”. Actually Sky, NOT ONE of my posts, EVER, has been a lie, much less a very “blatant, dangerous, and self-condemning” lie. You sure have a penchant for making up strange labels that make no sense.

            Yes, I would share scriptures, had I not been VICIOUSLY ATTACKED by each and every one of you long before the time came to post a scriptural reference. That closes the door, so to speak. You people ARE vicious and unChristlike, and unGodlike, and therefore, there is no reason to try to reason with you all, with scriptures. It would be totally futile. You would simply attack more. As you did in the post I am now replying to. In fact, you, as well as Ron, are OBSESSED with attacking those with whom you don’t agree. COMPLETELY CONTRARY to the teachings in the scriptures. Completely DISOBEYING God’s commands on those topics.

            And no, I told NO lie about what Bibles basically say. I have not told any lies, ever, on these blogs filled with vicious cult-like people such as yourself.

            No witnesses are “brainwashed”, since God does NOT brainwash ANYONE Sky. But it seems evident that YOU have been brainwashed by fake religion and a fake translation of God’s word. COMPLETELY BRAINWASHED, in your cult-like religion. It’s strange that you ALL accuse OTHERS of the very things YOU are guilty of, in some attempt to validate yourselves. That is definately a diagnosable psychopathological malady you all seem to share.

            And no Sky, we didn’t “come on the scene” and say ANYTHING that you claim in the last paragraph of your vicious post. We preach the Kingdom message, and Jehovah’s name. We preach the inspired word of God. The VERY SAME WORD OF GOD YOU ARE ATTACKING. FOR the very same Jehovah God YOU ARE ATTACKING. Why do all of you HATE Jehovah God so very, very much? Look at all the blessing He has given you? Without Him, you wouldn’t even EXIST. He DOES desire you to attain to repentance. He does NOT wish to see any one destroyed, but His judicial decisions stand and will not be changed. You really should consider TRYING to draw close to Him.

  • Who is a Jew? A Jew is anyone who believes in Jesus because a Jew is a Jew inwardly not outwardly. Many of those who are called Jews are not Jews at all. But they are the seed of Satan. People need to read up on who the people are who are living in the land of Palestine. They are descendants of Babylon and of the Khazars. The original tribes of Israel are the Europeans who spread out throughout all of Europe. Here is a great video on who the real children of Israel are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLjXa54RiyQ

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