Is Obama’s Dep’t Of Homeland Security Planning Open War In America?

Confirmed. The Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. Why?...
1.6 billion rounds of ammo. Enough to fight a "hot war" for 20 years. Why?

The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice.  It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition.  As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers.

1.6 billion rounds of ammo. Enough to fight a “hot war” for 20 years. Why?


Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month.  Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years.  In America.

Add to this perplexing outré purchase of ammo, DHS now is showing off its acquisition of heavily armored personnel carriers, repatriated from the Iraqi and Afghani theaters of operation.  As observed by “paramilblogger” Ken Jorgustin last September:

[T]he Department of Homeland Security is apparently taking delivery (apparently through the  Marine Corps Systems Command, Quantico VA, via the manufacturer – Navistar Defense LLC) of an undetermined number of the recently retrofitted 2,717 ‘Mine Resistant Protected’ MaxxPro MRAP vehicles for service on the streets of the United States.”

These MRAP’s ARE BEING SEEN ON U.S. STREETS all across America by verified observers with photos, videos, and descriptions.”

Regardless of the exact number of MRAP’s being delivered to DHS (and evidently some to POLICE via DHS, as has been observed), why would they need such over-the-top vehicles on U.S. streets to withstand IEDs, mine blasts, and 50 caliber hits to bullet-proof glass? In a war zone… yes, definitely. Let’s protect our men and women. On the streets of America… ?”

“They all have gun ports… Gun Ports? In the theater of war, yes. On the streets of America…?

Seriously, why would DHS need such a vehicle on our streets?”

Why indeed?  It is utterly inconceivable that Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is planning a coup d’etat against President Obama, and the Congress, to install herself as Supreme Ruler of the United States of America.  There, however, are real signs that the Department bureaucrats are running amok. 

About 20 years ago this columnist worked, for two years, in the U.S. Department of Energy’s general counsel’s office in its procurement and finance division.  And is wise to the ways.   The answer to “why would DHS need such a vehicle?” almost certainly is this:  it’s a cool toy and these (reportedly) million dollar toys are being recycled, without much of a impact on the DHS budget.  So… why not?

Remember the Sequester?  The president is claiming its budget cuts will inconvenience travelers by squeezing essential services provided by the (opulently armed and stylishly uniformed) DHS.  Quality ammunition is not cheap.  (Of course, news reports that DHS is about to spend $50 million on new uniforms suggests a certain cavalier attitude toward government frugality.)

Spending money this way is beyond absurd well into perverse.  According to the AP story a DHS spokesperson justifies this acquisition to “help the government get a low price for a big purchase.” Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center:  “The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.”

At 15 million rounds (which, in itself, is pretty extraordinary and sounds more like fun target-shooting-at-taxpayer-expense than a sensible training exercise) … that’s a stockpile that would last DHS over a century.  To claim that it’s to “get a low price” for a ridiculously wasteful amount is an argument that could only fool a career civil servant.

Meanwhile, Senator Diane Feinstein, with the support of President Obama, is attempting to ban 100 capacity magazine clips.  Doing a little apples-to-oranges comparison, here, 1.6 billion rounds is … 16 million times more objectionable.

Mr. Obama has a long history of disdain toward gun ownership.  According to Prof. John Lott, in Debacle, a book he co-authored with iconic conservative strategist Grover Norquist,

“When I was first introduced to Obama (when both worked at the University of Chicago Law School, where Lott was famous for his analysis of firearms possession), he said, ‘Oh, you’re the gun guy.’

I responded: ‘Yes, I guess so.’

’I don’t believe that people should own guns,’ Obama replied.

I then replied that it might be fun to have lunch and talk about that statement some time.

He simply grimaced and turned away. …

Unlike other liberal academics who usually enjoyed discussing opposing ideas, Obama showed disdain.”

Mr. Obama?  Where’s the disdain now?  Cancelling, or at minimum, drastically scaling back — by 90% or even 99%, the DHS order for ammo, and its receipt and deployment of armored personnel carriers, would be a “fourfer.”

  • The federal government would set an example of restraint in the matter of weaponry.
  • It would reduce the deficit without squeezing essential services.
  • It would do both in a way that was palatable to liberals and conservatives, slightly depolarizing America.
  • It would somewhat defuse, by the government making itself less armed-to-the-teeth, the anxiety of those who mistrust the benevolence of the federales.

If Obama doesn’t show any leadership on this matter it’s an opportunity for Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, and Rep. Michael McCaul, chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security, to summon Secretary Napolitano over for a little national conversation. Madame Secretary?  Buying 1.6 billion rounds of ammo and deploying armored personnel carriers runs contrary, in every way, to what “homeland security” really means.  Discuss. source – Forbes


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  • Jeremiah

    Glad I bought ammo when I did. Everyone thought I was crazy.

    • Jeremiah,you better have more then ammo,you better have food,water and all the things you would need for a long drawn out war,cause if the markets don’t reopen in a short amount of time,YOU’LL see parents who never got ready with starving children and no one is going to stand by and watch his 5 year old starve to death,most parents are IDIOTS,now you think about your neighbors,and how their going to act with no food for their children………………………

  • Perhaps they are gearing up for an attack on American soil by N. Korea? They have made that threat more than once, and other than a few economical sanctions, no one is doing much to stop them from building up their military, joining with China’s military, or building up their nuclear arsenal.

    Perhaps DHS knows more about that than anyone has let on to the public? But, like you Jeremiah, glad we have ammo!

    • YEA, theres going to be an attack on america all right and right after the earthquake,Obama will declare marshal law and the fight will be on,all his foreign troops AND DHS plan to take america down,and part us out to foreign nations ,who were promised everything in america if they come and help him…….get ready its coming……………………

    • the ammo that the DHS is purchasing is hollow point, which totally rules out the possibility of it being used against another nation. The Geneva Convention does not permit the use of hollow point rounds in international warfare. Therefore, the only use for them is domestic.

      • Obama has not adhered to any law, not the constitution or anything else, so why would the Geneva Convention be something he abides by?

        But I do agree that it will be used on American soil because we are looking at another Civil War. Sad to say, but everything just points that way.

  • Micah T

    I agree with Marie maybe this is preparation for an attack by foreigners on US soil? I just watched the movie Red Dawn and it reminds me of this. But at the same time I don’t trust Obama or the government, but I feel like bad things are about to happen. May God be with us all

    • the ammo that the DHS is purchasing is hollow point, which totally rules out the possibility of it being used against another nation. The Geneva Convention does not permit the use of hollow point rounds in international warfare. Therefore, the only use for them is domestic.

  • His plan in progress for the takeover of this country is very clear…..stockpilling ammo by DHS, Soc Sec, Agri, etal + all the armored tanks + plan to disarm citizenery + drones with no definition of what constitutes imminent threat + CIA Brennon an islamic convert.
    The drone surveillance over U.S. soil + NDAA constitutes the U.S. now to be a war zone….and under martial law their are no constitutional rights in war zones.

    • has anyone heard the dept. of h.s is stockpiling coffins?

      • FEMA and DHS are one in the same, they were combined a long while back. FEMA has coffins all over the country, particularly in urban areas an hour or 2 outside major cities. Some believe this is for results after nuclear war. Others have other theories. But FEMA and DHS are one in the same or go hand in hand and have been incorporated to work together under the laws of their creation and purposes.

      • Yes, I heard that but I don’t know why. In other wars where genocide is committed, like Rwanda, they have mass burials with no coffins. That seems costly and unnecessary. (I mean that looking through Obama’s eyes) He’s done nothing so far that the rest of us would deem reasonable, so why bury the dead in coffins?

  • What in the world???? Armored trucks on our streets!?!?!?!

  • yes on our streets , this is what i am talking about,read all of this info, go to, it is happening now, and it is happening fast.

  • I am looking for this story I can’t find it. Its mainly cyber attacks.

  • Obama may be planning this like proposed and it may come to pass. Let us all remember though that nations rise and fall also with the hand of God. Scripture says that if my people will humble themselves and pray that He will ear our prayers and heal our land.
    I challenge everyone to start daily praying for our nation, praying for our leaders including the president, but also pray that His will be done and not ours.
    If it is the will of God that our wonderful land fall then let God make it plain and comfort our hearts in the doing.

    I have felt for many years that America must fall before God can return and take us out of this world. Before there can be a one world government and before the antichrist can take over this earth for the final 7 years of it’s existence.

    May God have mercy on us His people in these the final days. Amen

  • Ligia

    We are living in dark and scary times . May god have mercy on us all !

    • Look up, Ligia. Do not fear, the Lord is with us, and He is all we need. God bless you.

  • I think it’s twofold: they’re getting ready for something, plus, if they buy it all up, there’s none left for us, if you catch my drift.

    Sharing the following very good article that touches on this and other related issues, and on the forthcoming papal conclave:

    Also, with Obama headed to Israel to push for the confirmation of the 1993 treaty, look for some kind of natural disaster, there’s a pattern of natural disasters occurring every time we meddle in Israel’s affairs to support some kind of land for peace deal. His trip is for March 20-21, so watch the news next week. God does not like His land divided without His consent!

    Frankly, no offense to any of y’all, but I think to assume the preparations are for some attack by an outsider on American soil (such as by North Korea) is optomistic . . . if it’s coming, I wish it WOULD come from an outsider, that would possibly unify us as a nation and make us put petty concerns on the back burner. But I think this is going to be an inside job, symptomatic of and connected to the greater evil that we here all know is coming.

    • Since no one has said anything to N. Korea about their threats of nuking America, maybe that is the inside job?

  • Joshua

    The end is drawing near. The final pope is soon to be elected, the false prophet in whom Europe (the final roman empire) will rise, and fall. Division is set for our land and America can no longer be a primary concern for maintaining the peace during the New world order as it will distract from the purpose of the upcoming antichrist who will bring this false peace to Israel.
    Hold tight to your beliefs. It is the one thing that cannot be taken from you. Believe in the mercy of God by the death of His Son for our sins, Jesus Christ, who in Him we may be saved from this world. Know this, He will return quickly. We are His last generation.
    Pray fervently. Watch constantly. Live godly. Our day of victory in Christ is upon us.

  • It to start the gun-grab, which isn’t really a gun-grab but a way for the government to get people to shoot at the cops and military so they can kill them or put them into prison. The government wants chaos and disorder in rural areas. It already has chaos in the “gun-free” urban areas with it’s Occupy Movement and general crime. The goal is to destabilize America so that we are too busy trying to survive to organize a means of resisting them. Look at Mexico. This is our future if we don’t organize to stop them now. Join us:

  • better get ready, it is coming fast

  • Praise Jesus finally this is moving fast, as I waited 45 years for these events to happen!

    • I am with you, Pastor Steven. I too have been waiting for the Lord’s return, a bit longer than you, but every Christian has been waiting. I remember when I was very young, and my grandmother would tell me about Heaven and the Lord’s return, and she thought it would occur in her lifetime. I pray that it occurs in mine. God bless you all and for anyone who has not accepted the Lord Jesus as your Savior, do it now, there may not be a tomorrow left to ask Him for forgiveness.

      • I’m glad I haven’t had to wait as long as you folks have. In times of old people didn’t understand the parable of the fig tree. Israel fulfilled that prophecy and that started the count in 1948. Going forward all prophecy has to be fulfilled before that generation shall pass.. So what’s a generation? The bible defines it as 40, 70 or 120 years. I’m sure it won’t be exact but I’m thinking we are going to be the 70 year generation… Probably just another few years left…

  • My guess is there will be some event in this country which could cause a lock down. We are possibly months away from war with Iran and a financial collapse. Though the way “they” play the game that could change as well…

  • This country made a mistake re-electing Obama.Now it looks like everyone will pay the price with freedoms lost.

  • this is the most anti-constitution administration in our history.nothing they would try would be a surprise

  • I have a question so when the final pope is elected then the tribulation begins or dose it take a few years to begin I’m sorry I’m confused

    • The Catholic church is the most un-Christlike church ever. They are greedy, they’ve been killing people in the name of Christ for centuries, and of course, we all know about the sexual scandals that have plagued them for centuries too.

      However, I do not believe the anti-Christ will be a pope or even from the Catholic church. It’s not biblical. Anti-Christ means opposite of Christ and Satan wants to be Christ so it would stand to reason he would choose someone about 33 years old, from the middle east, and someone who will come up fast to quell the violence in the middle east. And if we remember how quickly Obama came up from 42 days in the senate to be president, we know it’s absolutely possible for the anti-Christ to come up just as quickly.

  • antonio, that prophesy was given by st malechey , i think around the 11th century, it is not biblical, he was a cathlic priest, look him up for yourself, it is very interesting

  • be carefull of the cathlic church , it is the house of satan

  • Hello Michael – I couldn’t agree with you more. But, my heart tells me it’s too late for the prayin of our country. I believe God has already taken His protective hand off of America. Michael, let’s all encourage each other to get our hearts in line with Jesus so we can all be apart of His bride.

  • Msb – Love your thoughts in your last paragraph. I agree I’m hoping something happens that unifies us but I doubt it. Could they be stock piling ammo because our nation could very well end up like Syria?

  • cliche

    Actually he is giving the next president a head start

    • Cliche – Our next president could very well be our current president.

  • Brandon – Good stuff. That would put us at 2018. Not much time at all.


    These events of the last days are coming together at a rapid pace. Soon Isreal will attack Damascus, Syria (Is. 17:1) and Isreal will attack Iran.
    Then we need to look up as we will see Christ in the air (1 Thess. 4: 14-17)
    This will occur in the next few months, so we are not talking in years, its right on top of us!

    • WOW I’m glad a gave my life to Christ before it was to late. Thank you Pastor

    • I disagree, Pastor. Although the middle east will go to war, whether in a few months or whenever, the Bible tells us not to predict dates because only God knows. But whenever it is, the anti-Christ will rise just as quickly to make peace. And we’ll just have to agree to disagree about when the rapture will occur!

  • BO:
    There will not be another President after Obama. The Antichrist will be in control of the whole world!
    The Catholic Church is electing a new Pope ( The False Prophet) and possibly his elected name: Peter the Roman. The False Prophet brings in the Antichrist.
    Remember Satan decieves everyone with anti this and anti that,
    Eijiah will bring in the true Messiah, Jesus Christ!
    Bo: This president sold us out to the antichrist, basically we have no rights to speak of. We are living on spare time!

  • Don’t be boasting of the ammo you bought, don’t boast of cache’s don’t even talk about it. It’s ok for those that hate Amerika to train on our soil and stock pile just about anything ‘they’ want! “They” are being watched closely. To bad that those that have sworn to protect us are derelict of their duties! The Lord will cause all their hiding places to be exposed after He supernaturally blocks all there exits, it is written! Only the fool denies the Creator, only the fool believes the lie’s of Lucy. There eternal Home awaits! They know Jesus rose on that 3rd day (Good Friday counted for the 1st day, Saturday (Sabbath) 2nd day & rose on the 3rd day – Resurrection Sunday) they were not three 24 hour days (ref; the late Grant Jeffery) and Jesus kick Lucy’s behind! What’s the chances the devil wins? O! He’s alive, He’s coming for His Bride, we will return w/Him as spectators of the Great Wine Press! If I was a follower of Sa’tan I’d get down on my face before the Lord and plead for His mercy and Forgiveness, Jesus will oblige! What an awesome Savior!
    Love you all, hang in there, He’s coming soon!

  • As soon the MAGOG WAR start ( Ezekiel Chapters 38 & 39) the Tribulation starts.

    After Isreal attacks Iran within a few months. Iran will counterattack Isreal with Russia, Libya, Northern Sudan, Turkey and Germany.

    This is only my opinion: As it states in ( 1 Cor. 15:51) Behold I tell you a Mystery!
    In this Magog War, in days in this conflict or right before this conflict we will be caught up in the air to meet Jesus. Would not this be a mystery as we vanish into thin air?


    • D City, we do need a funny video evey now and then.
      It’s still stunning to me that the majority of the American people could’t see through Obama/Biden. God help us!

  • i aint got a trillion dollars, you think monoply money would be ok?

  • im a blacksmith you think they would take a hand forged trillion dollar coin, american made////////////

  • i know

  • americans want more, and they will get it, and much much more..

  • DM-2:
    The US Government has your name on one of those bullets!

  • D City:
    I feel like I’ll be right back in the Vietnam War, but this time instead carrying a gun into combat, I’ll be walking right into the coming bullets without any guns, I’ll just be praying!

  • then so be it

    • Pastor if you pretend you do not know us we might wind up at camp together. You me and DM camp FEMA that is joined with DHS in case you didn’t know it.

      There response time to emergencies has been questioned numerous times. Simple task of getting water to people taking absurd amount of times.

      Now with the ammo and vehicles and equipment that is proven being ordered by DHS and is also proven to be for here at home and not abroad. Compile that information with FEMA’s response time for emergency has not changed in 10 years and appears it has no intention of changing at all.



  • D City:
    In Luke 21: 13- 15; we will be delivered up to our judges at these fema camps. as it say we can defend ourselves with our testimony.
    This does not state we defend ourselves with guns, just our testimony being a christian

  • Hey Folks, I am sure glad when I read all the above comments that suggest most of you above my comments kind of have this fear of God in you.

    You ought to be “God fearing” instead of fearing the government!!!

    Glad I can rely on God’s word about his promises to me in that He will never leave me nor will He forsake me, and that my faith rests solely in my Lord.

    Satan loves it when he can get you folks to have fear!! Please…don’t give in to that loser. Be strong, look to the Lord for all your strentgth, put on the whole armour of God, stand up for your faith folks!!! Do it in a loving Godly way that gives Him the honor and glory!!

    • Steve C,
      That’s exactly what I’ve been saying, and have posted some of the exact same scripture. God is with US no matter what happens. He will NEVER leave us or forsake US. We are sealed and our names ARE written in the Lambs Book of Life. No man can take US away from God. Don’t fear the government!!!! God will deal with them at the Great White Throne Judgement.
      God Bless Us

  • Steve C:
    I have a question for you?

    Have you ever been put into a position of losing your life?

    I have, laying on the battle field bleeding to death in the Vietnam War. Its human nature to feel fear!

  • Steve C.
    You said be strong, don’t give in to Satan!

    I have seen mighty men in my life crying like babies, when fear came to their minds!

    So their no way to run from fear!

    I remember, when I had to see the judge, about a traffic ticket, waiting for my name to be called, the judge handing down real bad fines, my knees where knoting! That just human nature!

  • WILLY:
    I don’t hate anyone, even the ones that wants to presecute me! We need to forgive the ones who presecute us, showing God’s Love to them!

    I don’t want any ammo around me, I’m protected by my Loving Lord Jesus Christ, but soon I will need to lay down my life for my Lord Jesus Christ! Freely, without resisting any one who wants to harm me!

  • Willy:
    I have a question for you?

    If a muslim came to your home and burned it to the ground, what would you do?

    Then let look at it another way, a strong storm blew down your house and it burn up! You would just build it again!

    So when your persecuted, show love to them, even if it mean that you will die!

  • david

    If one is in relationship with God, it may be that one’s end will come in violence, or being gassed, or beheaded. King david did after all become a great warrior. We must avoid physical confrontation as much as possible. But I do not believe it is the will of God to be a door mat for evil to walk on me. I despise the taking of life, but I will defend life, even if it means taking that of another…if given no other choice. With ten years of military experience including intel and other branches, I am very skilled in the art of conventional war and arctic survival. I even have knowledge of extremely advanced weapons, and that earth has been weaponized beyond public knowledge. Including the DUMB and off world expansions & the space fleet. I have been to HAARP and the underground where the elite will be sealed in.
    However, If confronted with a giant Raphaim as the world will experience once CERN opens the many spiritual gates of hell into this world, I would immediately kill on sight with extreme prejudice…and I would be justified. As long as you are following the will of our most high God by the leading of his spirit and not what seems right in your own eyes, what ever is intended to be your end, you are justified by the blood. There will be only a record of the fruits, and the accuser will have no evidence.

    • Thank you, David. I agree with you 100%. I do not believe God would have us stand there and take it without a fight. And thank you for your service to our country. God bless you.

  • Those of us who truly believe and trust in Jesus, need not fear anything to come — not our prez, not Iran, not N. Korea, not the DHS or FEMA — Jesus says, “Fear not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you, yes, I will help you, I will uphold you with My righteous right hand.” Isaiah 41:10

    “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in Me. In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with Me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going. Peace I leave with you; My peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.” John 14:1-3, 27

    There is nothing for us to fear, we must continue to pray and and keep our mind on the Lord and His promises.

    Now, I don’t want to start an argument here — I was raised to believe in the pre-trib rapture but as an adult and ordained minister, I have studied the Word and have come to believe there is no pre-trib rapture. Of course, I truly hope there is but never in history has the chosen of the Lord avoided devastation. Not even His chosen disciples. They were beheaded, tarred, boiled in oil, hanged, hung on an upside down cross, stoned, and other wonderful ways the people could think of to kill them for speaking Jesus. Now, if the Lord allowed His chosen few to die such horrible deaths, why would we be so much more special that we think we’ll just be ripped out of here before the bad stuff happens?

    1 Thess. 4:13-17 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to MEET the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

    That word MEET in the Greek is used only twice in the entire NT. (Greek is not like our English where we use one word for several meanings, they have one word for each distinct meaning, although in translation, it comes out “meet” and the English word “meet” is used several times in the NT, but the Greek word is used only twice, here and in Matthew 21:1-11)

    So in Thessalonians 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. — the word MEET means to go out and greet someone and then return with them. As when someone comes to your house to visit, you go out and greet them, and then both of you return to go inside your house; you DON’T go on out, greet them, and stand around outside, you come on back in and offer them a seat and a beverage.

    The Bible tells us that Christians will not see the wrath of God, which doesn’t happen until the 16th chapter of Revelation when God tells the angles to pour out the bowls of His wrath. A whole lot of other stuff happens before that.

    I can hear the screaming and yelling now! lol I know a lot of people will reject this out of hand. “God will never allow that to happen to His people.” Well, He allowed stuff to happen all through the Bible and we are no different than any of those people.

    I do pray there is a pre-trib rapture but I find it difficult to believe there will be. And I see signs of the tribulation beginning with prices going up all the time, gas prices out of this world, food prices rising, violence on the rise, hatred for mankind, countries at each other’s throats, threats of nuclear war, wars, rumors of wars, great earthquakes, tornadoes like we’ve never seen before, droughts, weather patterns like never before, part of the country drying up while another part drowns in floods. These are all signs of the beginning of the end.

    But still, we have nothing to fear for the Lord is for us and not against us.

    God bless you all brothers and sisters in Christ.

  • I really liked your post Maria! Well put! You’ll get some opposition about your belief in the post- trib though. It’s not fun to think you might have to suffer for Christ like the early church or like christians are in other countries today! There are christians today who have died in these disasters that have hit since 9-11 also. Whether we live or die we are Christ’s people! I’d like it too if we could just fly right out of here today to be in the prescence of Our Lord and Saviour and escape suffering and tribulation. Take care sister and God bless you!

  • Jeremiah

    Know your gun. Network with friends. Food and water are life. What will you do when your neighbor tries to take what you have to save his family. I have a family. I’m prepared. Are you?

  • Jeremiah:
    I’m prepared!
    I have no food or water in storage!
    No ammo no guns!
    I put my faith in Jesus Christ!
    Psalms 91:

  • DAVID:
    In the Old Testament Believers of God, was allowed to protect theirselves.
    But the Church age Believers Christians are not allowed phyiscally to protect themselves, we need to put all our faith in Jesus Christ to protect ourselves, that laying down your life, your family life to Jesus Christ! Not showing any violent nature, just loving our enemies ( unbelievers).
    That way we prove our faith is true to our Lord Jesus Christ!

  • DAVID:
    You will not be justified killing anyone who come at you. God calls that murder!
    If you are a true Bible believing Christian, you’ll lay down your life for Jesus Christ, not showing any resistence against anyone who attacks you!

    • I disagree, again. There is a difference between killing and murder. Yes, murder is a sin, but killing in war is not and it will be a war. There is not one instance in the OT that God was not with His people during war. And when they fought wars then, they killed everyone and everything, including the animals, babies, women, old people, and destroyed everything they had, burning it to the ground. God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, He has not changed the game plan from then to now.

  • everyone has the God given right to defend themselfs and thier loved ones………………………………………………………………

  • DM 2nd Samuel 22:
    Your completely right, everyone has the right to defend theirselves EXCEPT True Bible Believeing Christians. We are told to lay down our life, as Jesus laid down his life for everyone, that includes christians and unbelievers!
    That why Jesus stated turning both cheeks!

  • DM 2nd:
    Are you better than Jesus Christ? Jesus laid down his life for you, that He went freely to the cross, and we are told we are like Jesus!

  • Pastor,
    We moved on from the Rapture argument, still totally believing in pre-trib because no man can change what the Holy Spirit has placed in our hearts. So please, let’s don’t argue about the guns and swords. I want help you out on this one.
    God Bless

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  • Christisans have every right to defend themselves, any one who sayes otherwise is a liar and a fool

  • Luke 12:4″I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more.

  • Hello Pastor LaRue – Good to see you in the convo. I agree but disagree about O being our last president. I believe he is our last president. But, I believe he will totally ignore the constitution and become like Chavez. Dictator. Because when this stock market crashes, and our creditors want their money and the petrol dollar turns into the petrol gold and the majority of Americans lose everything, this once proud country will be a mirror image of Syria. And…I believe he knows it. Hence, all the military vehicles being purchased along with the ammo. And I won’t say he is being led by the anti-christ. I believe our sovereign God has lifted His hand of blessing off of us. I believe that O is right where God wants him to be to bring about His will. His end times. Other than using O , O is soooo insignificant in the world. Nobody respects him. Remember America is not mentioned in the bible. We are heading to insignificance and Obama is driving the bus.

  • Christian are proving how they act, by laying down the life for others, as Jesus did for us!

  • BO:
    First, I do not care who is the next President will be!
    Second, God has not lifted his hand off of us, as the Holy Spirit is in us.
    Third, if God’s hand is not on us still, why does God still allowed the U:S:A: to allow homosexuality to continue?
    Fourth, Satan (antichrist ) continue influence unbelievers telling them they are doing the right thing in the name of God. He’s just decieving everyone.
    Fifth, Who cares who running this government, our government is in Heaven and even us (Christians) are rule by a Dictator, Jesus Christ! We do it his way or no way or the highway!
    Six, We need to be concerned about unbelievers recieving Salvation, than worrying about ourselves or how bad its going to get in the USA or the World.
    seventh, What’s the point we can not make anyone in the U.S. Government change their minds, they can see what’s happening to them, their so into poor me, and confused why this is happening to them, they can not see the clear picture!

    So continue reading your Bible, learning as much as possible, as I believe we will need these studies, in our new Kingdom!

  • cliche

    Question….how is the pope tied to biblical prophecy

    you asked how how this new pope tied into biblical prophecy!

    By the Bishop St. Maclacy ( this is not bibilal) this is going to be the last Pope, and since the 1500’s this bishop been right about choosing these popes!

    By by St. Malacy this Pope sir name will be: Peter the Roman. We can just wait a few days to see what happens!

    This Pope will become the False Prophet, that brings in the Antichrist to world power but its the anti-part, as Elijiah who was Ratured in the Old Testament will come to the earth again, and become the True Prophet that brings in the Messiah, as the Jews been waiting for 2000 years to happen! And still they do not believe they killed the Messiah! But when Elijiah bring in the Messiah and Jesus comes to Mt. Olives and set both feet on this mountain, the Jews will relize they killed Jesus Christ!
    If this Pope is called Peter the Roman, that will make my blood boil then we will be maybe a few months away before all hell brakes loose!

  • Jeremiah

    Pastor you make me laugh. Sick of hearing people like you say that. To each his own but ill be damned if I sit around saying my life is in gods hands when he gave me the common sense to be prepared. If you really are a pastor and you preach I challenge you not to prepare or study for anymore of your sermons for the rest of your life. Don’t read the bible and definitely don’t eat. God will provide you with the knowledge and food you need. Lol some people’s kids blow my mind sometime.

    • There are many here that do not seek truth Jeremiah. When Gods words are placed before them, they still do not hear.

      Proverbs 1:23-33
      King James Version (KJV)

      23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
      24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
      25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
      26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
      27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
      28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
      29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord:
      30 They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
      31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way,
      and be filled with their own devices.
      32 For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.
      33 But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.

      Hebrews 12:25
      King James Version (KJV)

      25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

      May God Bless & Enrich You All With Wisdom & Understanding Always.

      • D City,
        Isn’t this called judging? It doesn’t sound very Christian-like. It appears that you are grasping for straws because you’re not able to presuade us to believe your way.
        God Bless You Friend

        • Posting Gods word is not judging at all Tracy I did not mention anyones name. Unless you feel guilty of course but thats not my problem. I am just brining Gods word as everyone can see and YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE UPSET SO FAR ABOUT IT. I guess we will see who else gets upset at Gods word being posted. God Bless you Tracy but no where did I mention anyones name. I posted GODS WORD.

          • D City,
            I knew exactly who you were referring to, and you did too. So don’t start that game. And no, I am not fixated on YOU. The prolem is that you are trying so very hard to get some of us to believe the same way as you, and it’s NOT going to happen. Therefore, you try and ridicule those of us who do not see it your way. Look at all the video’s about the post-trib rapture, and as you and I both know, not one of US is 100% right about everything that is written in the Bible. But, it’s not about post-trib, it’s the FEAR that you try to convey to people—it’s like you enjoy it, and that makes me wonder about your heart. That’s the problem I have with you. No matter what you post, God doesn’t want us to fear–only Him as our Father. How can you have the PEACE that surpasses all understanding if you are running around scared all the time worried about what’s ahead. And, that joy shines thru so that others might see our joy and peace. Believe me I know because I have that PEACE and JOY. We are to put on the full armour of God and rejoice in Him. You do post scripture alright, and it is the Word of God; however, you pick and choose so that it will fit whatever it is that you are trying to say.
            Again, we are brothers and sisters in Christ, and I will rest my case, but there is no way that you can change my mind, nor will I surrender to your fear tactics.
            Again, with all sincerity, God Bless You.

          • Hey! sister, If I may I would like to say something to you on this matter. We as post tribbers are not out to bring fear on anyone. If you have fear it is not of God, but comes from satan. The only fear we should have is the fear of God , which comes with love. We are trying to get the people ready for the things coming upon the world and not to fear those things when chaos strikes. When I look at the early church they didn’t fear death, neither did Paul. But they rejoiced in it , knowing as soon as their souls left their bodies, they would be under the alter in heaven. So my point is this, you don’t have to fear anything if you have Christ.

          • Ron,
            Thank you. But, if you will re-read my post, you said exactly what I’ve been saying. Do not FEAR.
            As a Christian, the Holy Spirit is living within each one of us; therefore, we do not FEAR because the moment we take our last breath we will be with God.
            Didn’t we just say the same thing?
            Also, I’m still waiting on your answer to Levi’s question about the rapture in Revelation. I went back a few minutes ago and didn’t see it.
            God Bless

          • Yes, sister, we did agree on that. But what we don’t agree on is that you accuse us of using fear tactics. We do not do that. We are only trying to get people to get ready for the tuff times ahead. I answered Levi, just got through with it. Thanks, Tracy.

          • Ron,
            With all due respect, let’s agree to disagree.
            And, without going into detail, I do read people rather well.
            Regarding the tuff times, wouldn’t you agree that a TRUE Christian already has the full armour of God on and is prepared for whatever is ahead? We know than man cannot touch our souls.
            Therefore, having said that wouldn’t you agree that winning souls is more important than arguing about the rapture–a future event? I do.
            Too, I read your reply to Levi, and I’m sorry, but we will just have to agree to disagree.
            God Bless You Ron

          • Its ok Tracy, I posted scripture and that upset you so you attacked me. I forgive you. I am just sharing Gods loving words for all. I am glad you responded and got it out of your system though. Glad I was that outlet. God Bless Your Loving Heart Tracy. I hope you feel better.

          • I do not mean to get into this loving conversation to much but there is an awful lot of disagreeing going on and it all seems to be one sided. Pretty soon someone is going to be in one big disagreeable corner if we do not start showing more love for one another around here. Just helping out whenever and where ever I can.

          • D City,
            You are so right in that we are supposed to show love. However, understand it’s never been about the post-trib theory, it’s the FEAR that I could see coming from your post. A new believer in Christ doesn’t need to start out scared to death. There are way too many verses of scripture that states: do not fear, do not be afraid, I will never leave or forsake you, etc., etc.,
            I do apologize to you if you think that I attacked you. Now, let’s move forward.
            God Bless You Friend

          • My post was Gods words Tracy so technically its not my post but Gods words you read. Again if there is something you need to talk to the Lord about now is probably the time. God Bless You

          • Yes winning soul is the most important! But our take on all this is for the Christians that will fall away because they were deceived into thinking the rapture would save them from tribulation. I understand where your coming from, I know your doctrine well Tracy, about all Post tribbers do. The lack of understanding is on your shoulders. If you would listen, you could hear. If you look, you could see. You turn the other way ,you close your ears. How could you know what we are? Do you fear of being brainwashed by us? Or do you fear the truth? WE don’t want to take the joy away from anyone, but the joy of the Lord is not of this world.

          • Ron,
            Again, with all due respect, As MUCH as I have posted about NOT FEARING, you just don’t get it.
            I have not one time tried to sway anyone into believing pre-mid- or post tribulation. I have posted what I believe only. The rapture is up to the individual to believe as he/she prayerfully reads and understands God’s Word. It is a future event that not ONE person can say 100% when it will take place. If so, there would not be so much discussion about it. You are defitenely entitled to you understanding of the Bible and I do respect that.
            And you speak of JOY being of the world, then maybe I have used the wrong word, but I DO have a PEACE in my heart and soul that cannot be taken away. It is there and I know that it’s from God. Man cannot take it away. And, please believe me when I say that NO, I do not fear anything about you or your belief.
            God Bless You Ron

          • I have faith in you, Tracy. I believe you when you say what you say about fear. But many others will fall because of lack of knowledge. Let’s just say that no rapture comes and we find ourselves in tribulation. There we will be many that will be offended , because they were told a lie. I believe this is the many to be offended and shall betray one another. Matt.24:10. We are trying to bring the truth, as we see it, to light. We do it to help the weaker ones and to warn the rest of the church to be ready, least it come upon us unawares. We do it out of love, Tracy. We don’t want to hurt anyone. You have a right to believe a lie, the same, as I do. But, if you really knew the truth !00%, what would that do for your faith. Have you taken my challenge, Tracy, to study the seven trumpets and the vial , for there resemblance. I’m going to revel more on these in the near future, don’t miss it. Bless you, sister

          • Ron,
            I will be happy to read what you post regarding the trumpets and vials. But to answer your question regarding my faith, no it wouldn’t be shattered. My faith in God is very deep, and I will hold firm to it, regardless of where we find ourselves in months or years ahead. I’m just not afraid.
            God is with US.

          • All questions will be answered once the attacking stops. With that said as I have said I have forgiven you. There is no need to carry this on and on and on. I am just sharing Gods word. God Bless You Tracy

          • Tracy, when I said you shouldn’t have fear, I wasn’t addressing you in general. I was referring to anyone. Sorry for that mix up. Bless you, sister.

          • Thanks Ron Tracy gets upset and only with me. That post from scripture obviously hit a nerve and all I was doing was posting Gods word. God Bless

          • Tracy you have a problem with people brining you scripture. I do not make up what scripture says. That is Gods words to you Tracy, TO YOU and to each and every one of us. For you to get upset and show such hostility at God’s word, well its not healthy. I worry about you Tracy. But if you need to use me as your abuse outlet go right ahead. Better me then some stranger on the street. Glad I can help. Back to sharing God’s words. God Bless you my loving sister Tracy.

        • Your problem Tracy is your fixated on me rather then Gods word. Again just posting Gods word your the one who attacked me right after I posted GODS WORDS. I forgive you and I pray he forgives you too. God Bless

    Remember if I’m wrong about this pope! Just remember, I’m not perfect, I do make mistakes!

  • I agree jeremiah

  • Jeremiah:
    Read the book JOB! See how he laid down his life for God! He laid in the streets, lost everything in his life!

    We will see whose laughing in the end?

    All I can say, enjoy Judgement Day!

    I read my Bible every day for hours and it gives me strength to live in these times of sorrow! Every time you turn on the news, its all bad, there is not anything happy happening!

    If you sick of hearing about us, maybe you need to find a web site, that believes exactly like you do! On History Channel they talk about Preppers!

    God Bless You

  • DM 2:
    Since you agree with Jeremiah, I guess both of you will be attending Judgement Day, at least you’ll know someone there!

  • 1 Corinth.15:52 talks about the last trump at the rapture. Where do you think Paul got that from?If this was the last trump, then what about the one in Matthew 24:31? It is clear that this is after trib, according to Matt. 24:29. So how can one come after the last one???? Waky Waky. But rather was Paul not referring to what Jesus spoke of in Matt. 24:31. Paul was not a Prophet and that’s Bible? Just ask.

  • D City:
    Can you correct your typo God’s than gods, it sounds like your talking about many GODS at the same time

    • I do not discuss anything for or with you at all anymore pastor. All you say is I attack you when all I do is show you scriptures. So I now share scriptures with only others. Your welcome to read them, but I will not respond to you or your antics any longer. God Bless you though. This does not at all in any way change my love for you.

  • Everyone:
    When we feel we need to correct someone we should do it with kindness and love, than insulting and making up words like WAKY WAKY, or you like insulting people?
    And that would not be the way a Christian should act to another person!

  • Waky, Waky means wake up sleeping virgins. It was not meant for an insult in any way. I used those words to draw attention, not to insult. By the way isn’t that judging on your behalf. God bless you abundantly, brother and not hold you of anything on my account. And please forgive me if I sounded insulting to you. May His words Lead and guide you, through every storm.

  • Pastor Larue, why are you always judging people that they are not Christain just became they do not believe like you. Don’t you know God made us all different? Yes there is only one Truth. Let me be a lier and let God’s Word be the Truth. Let us love and support one another ,pray for one another. For even the Apostiles didn’t agree in everything. But they loved one another. God bless you man of God.

  • if you dont have the same beliefs as larue, you are going to hell,takeing a bullet or the mark of the beast, what a joke. evil prevailes when good men do nothing

  • Wow! I am praying for each of you. All this arguing and accusing of one another is not Christlike at all. We are brothers and sisters in Christ, shall we start acting like it and stop acting like the heathen who do not know the Lord?

    • Marie,
      Please do. I totally agree with you; we need it.
      I just don’t think fear is the way to win people to Christ, and maybe I’m the only one who thinks that way.
      It’s not the pre-mid- or post tribulation that’s a problem, it’s that WE as Christian know that God is with us and will never leave or forsake us regardless of whatever is ahead. However, some on this forum think that we should be scared and prepared, or we will fall-away.
      A TRUE Christian will not FEAR and IS already prepared for what’s ahead because of the Holy Spirit living inside of us. That I know because I’m living it.
      God Bless You and all of US

      • Hi Tracy,
        Thank you. Sometimes we all get bogged down in our own earthly beliefs that we find fault in others who believe differently, when we should depend upon the word of God alone for our beliefs, our lives, and our answers. I don’t mind that someone else doesn’t believe in a mid-trib rapture the way I do. There are some who believe we’ll go through the entire tribulation before the rapture. Personally, I believe in praying for a pre-trib rapture but being prepared in the event we go through part, or God forbid, the entire tribulation.

        I also live in a very rural area, out in the boonies, most people say! And we hunt and fish for our food, grow our own veggies, have a well for water, and we own weapons of various types. And yes, we are prepared to take out anyone who would try to take that from us, now, or any time in the future. That is no different than anyone who lives in the city would defend their vehicles and apartments from burglars.

        I’m sure some might say, and have said, Christians should turn the other cheek. And I agree, that in some instances, fighting over something just isn’t worth it, but I don’t believe Jesus would have us stand mute while someone is raping our children, stealing our vehicles, or cleaning out our houses.

        On the other hand, if someone came to my house hungry, I would feed them. If they were injured, I would tend their wounds, if they were cold, I would give them a coat, shoeless, I would give them a pair of shoes. That is what I believe Jesus expects from us. Kindness and compassion to those in need, which goes a long way in showing the love of Christ to unbelievers.

        May the Lord bless you and keep you. May the Lord make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you. May the Lord lift up his countenance upon you,
        and give you peace. Numbers 6:22-27

    • O absoultely 100% agree. When the arguing starts I try to post more scriptures. I agree Marie well said.

  • Marie,
    When I say turn both cheeck, I did not mean not defend yourself, but people do not have to defend theirselves with a gun. When we encounter others who want to harm us or our family member, we need to try and talk to them , allowing Jesus to use you and he’ll speak to them! But if we try using a gun for another gun all we will recieve, is more problems. Remember what Jesus said to the people who was trying to stone the woman, that did not follow the law, Jesus said, if you are without sin cast your stone! The people knew they were full of sins, so they drop their stones and walked away!
    I hope this help you! God Bless You

  • your love for Jesus Christ great, love it,respect it, the rest of your drivel about not defending your self or your family is absolutly dumbfounding

    • DM2,
      While I too, disagree with Pastor Steven, I think you could be more gracious when speaking to him. You can just agree to disagree. While I understand his argument, I am more in the likeness of when Jesus went through the temple and TKO’d the money changers. However, there is nothing wrong with Pastor Steven teaching peace and I hope when the time comes, and he is shot while speaking Jesus to the enemy, it will be a quick death and he doesn’t suffer.

      In Christ,

  • i have been very gracious, look at all my posts.
    he is the one who attacks when you dont agree with him
    according to the so called pastor, I am going to hell or takeing a bullit, or the mark of the beast, all because i choose to defend myself and my family, and i dont agree with him about the rapture, attack,,,,,,,,,,,PLEASE
    Stop being so thin skinned, im dusting my heels right now

    • Its ok its routine, some peopl twists everything to where he is being attacked lol

      No worries DM I understood what you were saying perfectly. They twist and say others are attacking then when you put them in their place they say WHERE IS THE LOVE BROTHER, SHOW ME THE LOVE, then when you show them love with God’s word your judging.

      This is the American Christian at heart. Very sensitive and touchy to being reproved with Gods true word. Typical defense for this is your judging them if you post scriptures that they take to heart cause its something personal between them and the Lord and it hit home in some way. It really has nothing to do with us. This is routine, do not let it get to ya DM lol its routine for some people.

      • An example of this DM is I posted this scripture, can’t remember where but I posted this scripture once some where and some people started foaming at the mouth and lashed out at me for it.

        Proverbs 1:23-33
        King James Version (KJV)

        23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
        24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
        25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
        26 I also will laugh at your calamity;
        I will mock when your fear cometh;
        27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
        28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
        29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord:
        30 They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
        31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
        32 For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.
        33 But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.

        Hebrews 12:25
        King James Version (KJV)

        25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

        Anyways I do not see how this would upset anyone. It says if you have the fear of the Lord and you hearkeneth unto him you shall dwell safely. This message is very comforting in fact. But some do get upset at this message for some reason.

        Just an example DM.

        May God Bless & Enrich You All With Wisdom & Understanding Always.

  • Blessed are the peace makers: for they shall be called the children of God. Matt.5:9.

  • We have a new pope is he the false prophet???

  • For all they that take up the sword shall perish with the sword. Matt.26:52 Your teaching are correct pastor.

    • That is on fighting back, you are correct on that subject, Pastor Larue.

  • The pope is a false prophet, but not the false prophet.

  • New Pope is expected to appear before thriving crowd on the balcony of St.Peter’s Basilica at 7pm GMT

  • The new Pope has been unveiled as Argentine Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the Archbishop of Buenos Aires, who will take the name Pope Francis I.

  • Marie:
    I know something about being shot!
    I’ve recieved in my 5 tours in the Vietnam war, 4 Purple Hearts.
    I’ve been stab once, shot twice, blown up once, possibly that’s why I’m 100% service connected disability.
    But when the time comes for someone to shoot me, I’ll still not pick up a gun and shoot back at anyone! I’ll just look them in the eye and tell them God loves them!

    • Thank you for serving our country and bless you for your strong beliefs but I still cannot agree with you that the Lord would expect you to die without a fight. Don’t you think that perhaps, when the time comes, and there is a civil war here in America yet again, that you will be needed here on earth? I would love for the Lord to call me home right now. I don’t find life on earth all that terrific, and I know Heaven is going to bring me face to face with my Lord and Savior, to be with Him and able to worship Him forever and ever. It will also reunite me with my daughter, Cassandra who left this world at age 16, with my baby boy, Eric, my triplets, Ally, Bailey, and Cally; with my 3 grandsons, Rayne, Drake, & Ryan, not to mention my grandmother and my first husband. Yes, I want to be in Heaven with my family, but the Lord wants me here for a reason. And, if you are truly a pastor, don’t you think that there is going to be a lot of work for you to do here when the world is in even more chaos than it is now? There will be people who rejected the Lord that will want to know how to come back, baptisms, and many other things that will need done. Yes, we are prepared to shoot back, but we are also prepared to take in the children who are going to be left without parents, either because they are simply abandoned, or because their parents are dead. We have medical supplies, clothing, and other items that will be needed and we’ll be unable to buy them. You should pray about this and not just argue with those who disagree with you. God bless you and guide you.

  • Ron:
    The New Pope is not called Peter the Roman. I guess St. Malacy was wrong, that proves we shouldn’t believe in ferry tales, and I believe Satan enjoys decieving people believing in false hope. But again this might still be the False Prophet, we just need to wait and see by his actions!

    • I think he is way too old to be the false prophet and I don’t understand why the cardinals keep electing men of such advanced age. They may very well be electing another pope in a short period of time because of his age.

  • DM2:
    I’m sorry I hurt your feelings but we need to show our love to everyone even to our death. If we are truely Christians then we need to act like Jesus Christ and do as he did!
    Philippians 2: 8- And being found in appearance as a man. He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on the cross.
    So can we humble ourselves to show love to everyone and that not causing another fear by us protecting ourselves with a gun in our hand!

  • If we are seeing this Pope as the False Prophet, he was a good pick to be the Pope! As in South America has the most population of catholics, and this would be the right person to convince these spanish catholics to follow the universal church!

  • valerie gould

    I can’t picture this man making statues talk.

  • I have question for all. Are the seven trumpets of wrath the same as the vials of wrath being poured out. You should look at them close.Read them back to front, also. I mean read the 7th vial then read the 7th trumpet. do this on each one until you have done them all. Now read them again in any order. Please take note of the temple being closed until the plagues are fulfilled. Rev. 15:8 And then check out Rev.11:19 This is more proof if you are not already convinced. Rev. 11 is after the plagues are over. This is one of the main keys to understanding of this great book. Without it you will not see. I challenge you, all. Study!

  • DM2:
    As for protecting my family, they think I’m a holy roller, I’m crazy, they believe that Obama will finally get things turn around and things will get better, like always!
    As for my wife, she refuses to read the Bible, she’s a devout Catholic and her spanish culture, she just enjoys her worldly life. Her family thinks I’m a very good man to her daughter but I’m a religious fantic!
    So I guess they are on their own?

    • You are unequally yoked. Did you marry her before you became a Christian?

  • Valeria,
    How about a high tech. robot that walks, talks, shows great signs in the heavens?

  • That is sad, pastor. My prayers are for your family. Your light be upon them, brother.

  • valerie gould

    The false prophet is a man show me the word robot in the Bible

  • Tracy and Marie – Don’t go any where. Your words are strong and encouraging. God Bless. Just ignore the boasting.

    • Bo,
      Thank you. Your words are encouraging too me as well.
      God Bless You

    • Thank you, Bo. I’m trying to comment on those remarks worth commenting on and not trying to cause anyone strife or make anyone feel I do not respect their POV.

  • BO. Are you saying I’m boasting?
    I was showing that I already felt presecution in the Vietnam war, and I’m ready to humble myself not taking up arms to protect myself.

  • Valeria: I was talking about the beast (666) not the false prophet!
    I was saying the beast could be a robot!
    As in Rev. 13:15- it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast that the image of the beast might even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed!

  • D City:
    I feel alot of people loves blaming Satan for their fears, I believe we also cause our own fears in our minds. i’m not saying Satan doesn’t influence us, but we need to point some of that fear toward us! We cause our own fears, at least I feel I’m in control of my mind!

  • D City: Some has said, that the Holy Spirit is living in us. I hope that was meant toward Christians who recieved Salvation in Jesus Christ and everyday ask forgiveness of their sins, but the unbelievers who lives their life in this world do not have the Holy Spirit in them!

    • D City,
      I made that comment. And yes, we as TRUE Christians do have the Holy Spirit living within us. How could that have possibly been misunderstood?
      God Bless

  • TRACY:
    This is not to embraced anyone but Jesus said, love will become colder in the last days. Also Jesus said endure ( which means do not get upset over others comments) to the end. If you feel one is insulting you, just tell them keep them coming, as my rewards are great in heaven!
    God Bless You!

  • I do not fear anything but God as the bible states we should but only if we are doing wrong of course. Otherwise you should fear nothing. A healthy fear of the Lord and the consequences of things keeps us humble and on the right track.

  • D City: I do not fear God ( Jesus)! If I was a unbeliever soon I would be fearing God!
    As long we stand firm in our faith, we have not anything to fear from God!

    • Once again what I said was a healthy fear of the Lord and his consequences he holds for our wrong doing keeps people humble and on right track. IF YOUR DOING WRONG you should absolutely be fearing the Lord. If you not then you shouldn’t I was very clear on that. The bible is clear on that as well.

    • Fear of the Lord does not mean to be scared of Him, it simply means to have he utmost respect for Him.

  • D City:
    Please do not feel I’m attacking you, but what I read sometimes, I believe your not exactly stating what you are trying to get across to me, if that made sense to you!
    Remember as you said, we all make mistakes!

    • The thing is pastor 99% of the time I am not talking to you at all. Thats my understanding anyways but I gather along the lines what your saying. Sometimes you feel as though I am talking directly to you with certain scriptures and they might hit home in some way or another so you tend to take offense. I understand. Its alright though.

  • RON:
    As you suggested, there will be a great falling away as the people believe in the Rapture and the Tribulation begin, which could suggest that these christians would lose faith and fall from grace!

    But it could due the opposite, the Rapture does occur and the ones who denied the Rapture, are left behind, this could cause them to fall from grace?

    That why I believe, Jesus called this time a ” Mystery!”

    We just continue believeing in our different ways and let time show us who is right in our beliefs!

  • MARIE:

    Its simple to me! We are to act like Jesus as loving Christians!

    And Jesus went willingly to his death without fighting, carrying a weapon, right up to his death on the cross. And his family was his half brothers, his mother, and 11 apostles, he did not used a sword to protect them. He just laid down his life for them and the rest of the unbelieving world! And he believe in his heart that these people would do the same for him!
    So I will do the same for my loving Jesus!

    • Well, again, we will have to agree to disagree. God bless you.

  • Marie:
    I married my wife because I loved her, but I was hoping she would turn her life to Jesus, we been married for 18 years and I’ve been a Born Again Christian for 40 years. Did that answer your question!

    • Yes, I was just wondering why you are so adamant on some parts of the Bible but not on other parts. The Bible says clearly to not be unequally yoked when it comes to picking a mate, yet you did. Just a thought.

  • MARIE:
    Love does funny things to a person!
    If we all follow God’s teachings to the letter of God’s law, I believe we would not have all these problems in life. But I’m cursed with sin’s, so I make mistakes. But maybe she’ll change her life to Jesus by my actions?
    We all have our beliefs, as you feel you can’t lay down your life as Jesus laid down his life for you!

    • I didn’t say that. I said I have no problem defending my life and my family. Laying down my life for the Lord is another matter. I fully expect my life!

      • Ooops! I fully expect my life to end with my head being lopped off!

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  • Marie my husband was also a christian and I was not but I ended up getting saved. Just keep praying for them Pastor Steve maybe when things get really bad they will put their trust in Jesus. The Pastor at my church witnessed and prayed for his brother for 30 years before he finally accepted Jesus. My family is also not saved. I am the only one. They are all catholic to so I know how that is. My mom is always praying to Mary etc. Anyway I will keep them in my prayers God Bless

  • GUEST:
    Its hard to convince a Catholic they are not Christians, as they have been brained washed! As my wife is Catholic and her Mexican culture really causes problems. But I hope by my actions, she’ll see the difference? But not, its her loss! Its like taking the horse to drink water, you can not force them to drink the water!
    All we can do, is pray for them!

  • TRACY:
    I believe why new convert back slide after becoming Born Again Christians.
    1. All these Fire and Brimstone ministers and elders of the church cause fear in these new converts.
    2. When these new converts take Salvation, there is no one who show’s them the Scriptures in a loving way! The AA Program help there new converts to toe the line, cult religions are their all the time to help their new converts. But when it comes to Christians we do not have the time, to help these new converts from back sliding!
    No wonder why so many Christians will fall away from grace!

    • Pastor,
      I wish we could move forward in answering questions from some of these young Christians. They are truly seeking answers, but they don’t get a chance due to all of us discussing the rapture.
      When I first came to NTEB, I don’t remember any of this going on.
      Dear God please help all of us is my prayer.
      God Bless

  • Tracy:
    More people= more questions= more answers! Remember this is a NTEB Pre-Trib. web site?= See post 395 = And one of their subjects are Pre-Tribbers.
    Mostly this web site is a advance subject matter, not beginning in Christianity
    Maybe new converts need special attention taken for them. If I was still going to school I was a beginner in bible studies, I would not join in with the advance classmates!

    • Very sensible, Pastor ! God bless you all.

  • Tracy & Marie – Both of you are hittin them out of the park. I am new to the faith. I do not have scripture to back up most what I think. But I have thoughts that I generate by what I read. I know I have to be more into the Word. Pastor La Rue And D City have given out good sound Christian advice. But those 2 can’t leave each other alone on certain things. Especially the Trib thing. Remind me of a couple of old hens from the cartoons of my youth. But they generally mean well. I am impressed with both of your strong conviction. I’m not looking for a cure all. But, how did you both become so strong in your faith? It’s what I strive for. I feel I get to caught up in earthly things (job, finances, relationships, family) that my focus is some where else. Not on the Gospel. Keep up the encouraging words. God Bless.

    • Faith comes by hearing or reading the Word of God, and then putting it into practice. By doing so, you will learn to trust Him, growing stronger, through every trial. Let God’s Word live in you, Bo.

    • Bo, you are welcome to email me anytime you have questions or want a Bible study. I will be happy to help you. dancingwithbear @ (no spaces)

    • Bo , I imagine Peter and John, did the same thing. The matter of fact, Peter was into it with a lot of them from time to time .LOL

  • BO:
    You asked how you become so strong in your faith, that’s a good question?
    First it takes years of studies, which doesn’t happen over night! And even the Scholars fall on their face and back slide! As for D City and I we are just stubborn old men, who has studied scriptures for many years, personally we have nothing against each other. Bo, just continue to focus your mind on scriptures and let God talk to you, pray alot for these answers! Its hard sometimes to tell the differences between our desires in this world and our desires to be with Jesus Christ. When you see that something of this world doesn’t do as Jesus tell us to do, then pray and ask Him for directions, always remember the answer will not always come to you over night! You need alot of patience dealing with Jesus, he’s a very busy person! I was told a joke long time ago when I went to Bible school. Their were 4 ministers in the room, one jewish, one catholic, one christian, one muslim. All discussing one subject, the more they yell the more they disagreed, finally after hours of discussion, they just gave up on each other! Nothing was solved, more think tank discussions end up in confusion, but we should of placed our questions with Jesus Christ for our answers, get the point?
    Stand strong in your faith and Jesus will protect you= Psalms 91: God Bless You Bro-

  • Ron: thank backing up this comment about beginning christianity for new convert. It like telling my grown dog to act like a puppy again!
    But new converts need special attention, there just like babies needing special attention. Look at 1 Tim. 3: 6-7 it might help others!

    • I still would give this advice to any new Christian. The Word of God gives life, not only does it give life , it also created life. It created all living things and all that we see. It set the orbits in motion and maintains control of the Universe. There is no greater love I have for anything than the Word of God, for it is God. It can heal the brokenhearted. It can set the captive free. It can heal the sick and raise the dead. It can open deaf ears, and cause the blind to see. I love the Word of God. He is everything to me. The more of Him, I put in my heart, the stronger my faith becomes. Pastor, do you think this new convert has enough time to build his faith the way that you described? That would discourage me. Rooted in the Word, is the only way to survive the storm. God bless you, Pastor, and God bless you, Bo.

      • It doesn’t matter how “new” of a Christian you are. Once you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, the old you is gone and the new you is born in Christ. As Romans 8:1 says, “So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus.” And 2 Corinthians 5:17 “This means that anyone who belongs to Christ has become a new person. The old life is gone; a new life has begun!”

        Once a person accepts Christ as their Savior, the Holy Spirit is given to them to guide and direct them, to give them that extra feeling of “no, this is wrong”, or “yes, this is the right way to go”.

        Reading the Word of God, and I recommend starting with the book of John, followed by 1 John. These two books are valuable for new believers to understand exactly who Jesus Christ is and what He did for all of us in His life and His death.

        I have been a Christian all my life and I still cannot read those two books without tears welling up in my eyes. To know that Jesus could have called a legion of Angels, to know that He chose to die horribly for the sin in all of us to be forgiven is such an awesome and wondrous sacrifice, I am sometimes in such awe that I can’t continue to read and have to stop and just praise Him and thank Him for who He is and what He has done.

        God bless you all.

        • When I answered Bo’s question, it wasn’t about salvation, it was about building faith. salvation doesn’t have a lot to do with building faith, but you have to have faith to be saved. But you don’t have to be saved to have faith. Example, Rahab, the harlot (Joshua, too) , because she believed in the Lord, God spared her and her children. Romans 10:17 “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”

          • My wife made a mistake, typing this for me..Joshua 2

        • That is so true, for me, too. Marie. Very good

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  • RON:

    • No, Pastor, I didn’t see it. But, I think we will just skip purgatory and go on to heaven. LOL. Sorry Jasmine , no takers here.

  • RON:


  • Bless you, Pastor. You are a true man of God.

  • Marie:
    You can disagree with me all you like! But the Rapture will occur before the 7 year tribulation. I’m not date setting! I read Scripture and what the signs or news events in our time
    Scripture states in Ezekiel Chapters 38 &39 that the Magog War, will bring about the 7 year Tribulation

    • I was raised on that premise as well, and as I stated earlier, I don’t believe it anymore. I have also read the Bible, many times, studied the scriptures, and I don’t believe we will be raptured out of here before anything bad happens. I pray there is a pre-trib rapture, I mean, who would want to be here for even half of the what is going to happen, but I find it hard to believe we will be raptured prior to the tribulation. Again, we disagree and that’s fine because these types of disagreements don’t really matter in the long run. If we are raptured prior to the tribulation, I doubt you’ll be saying, Nanny, nanny, I told you so! We will all be with the Lord and that is what we look forward to. If it is a mid-trib rapture, I pray that each of us stays strong and doesn’t fall away through those terrible times. God bless you.

  • To Ro Murphy – Marie Mcgaha – Pastor La Rue – Valerie – NewMAn ( Don’t know where he’s been lately) – DC NY – I believe that one can be saved on their own, but only if you have such conviction that it just over whelms you., But somebody like me who believes in our Saviors death for our sins still needs help. And I think I am a perfect candidate for community. A community with all of you. I think sometimes someone needs people around them. People who have ideas and thoughts different than yours. Let me ask all of you this. When you accepted Jesus as your Savior what changed inside you. How did you feel different if at all. I’ve read people’s testimonies and they explain how they were TRANSFORMED. That’s right TRANSFORMED. I don’t feel transformed. I do have a calmness to me that I’ve never felt before but I do not have a transformed feeling about me. Which leads me at times to question my faith. Love you all. God Bless. You all of you’re own unique way of spreading God’s Word. Keep it up.

    • Romans 12:2 says, “Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is–his good, pleasing and perfect will.”

      When you accepted Christ as your Savior, your sins were forgiven and forgotten. God remembers them no more, you are like a newborn baby, without sin. Not that you are incapable of committing more sin, we all are, but that’s why we have the Holy Spirit to keep us in line when sin comes our way. There will always be temptation, but as long as we continue in the Word of God, we will stand against whatever comes our way.

      When I was first saved at age 7, I didn’t feel anything different either. Then again at age 18, I didn’t really feel any differently, and at age 27, nothing different. It wasn’t until I was 34 that I got into a church that felt like home and the pastor and his wife were like spiritual parents to me and my husband. As I was growing up, my parents weren’t Christians, and everything going on at home was totally different than what I learned in Sunday school at my grandmother’s house when I stayed with her during the summer. I was very confused!

      I thank God that He didn’t give up on me and no matter what I was involved in, the Lord kept His hand on my life and saved it because I got into some pretty bad stuff that could have seen me dead at any time. But praise God that He had a plan for my life and at 34, when I met those spiritual parents, I began to understand what it truly meant to be transformed by washing with the water of the word, (Eph 5). Just keep reading the word, put on the armor of God, and continue to pray that God will make that transformation in you, known to you without doubt.

      • Marie,
        You seem so kind. I just feel the presence of the Lord in
        your post; truly from the heart.
        God Bless You

        • Thank you, Tracy. The Bible says to those who is given much, much is expected. (Luke 12:48) There was a time that my late husband and I was given much and we forgot that what God had given us was His and not ours. We let it go to our heads, and it was all taken away. My husband left me and 5 children for another woman, I married a man I’d only known a short time and he was not a Christian. Although God did not take away our salvation, He did take away the blessings. Ten years later, finally, I was back in God’s will, after praying all those years for forgiveness. Yet my first husband died on the tenth year, broke and living in his brother’s basement with the woman he left me for. She had spent all of his inheritance. He died riddled with cancer.

          That was his punishment for his part and for what he did. My sin was letting the anger at what he did persuade me to “get back” at him instead of love him unconditionally. No matter what he was doing, it was still incumbent upon me to do the right thing but I didn’t. I acted out of anger, betrayal, and hurt feelings.

          Now I have been given much again, and I am very cautious, maybe too cautious sometimes but I know what hell is, and it’s the separation from God. I’ve lived it and I am thankful that I am where I am today. It didn’t cost my life, just ten years of it and I never want to be there again.

          Please visit my website I have written a few books, Dancing With Bear: A Love Story about my life with my first husband.

          When God Talks, It’s Time To Listen, a book for new Christians.

          Comfort & Joy book one: forgiveness — a book on why it’s absolutely imperative we forgive those who have hurt and betrayed us.

          God bless you, Tracy.

  • Marie – I have your email address. I’ll be saying HEY soon. Thank you.

    • You’re welcome, Bo. And for anyone else who has questions, I’ll be happy to try and answer them for you.

  • Marie – Your reply which is # 109 touched me so much. What an absolute pure pouring of your heart. God is very proud of you I am sure.

    • Thank you, Bo. I appreciate your kind words. God bless you.

  • BO:
    How was I transformed, when I was saved?

    It was 3 years after I came home from the Vietnam War, my mind was so messed up, veterans affairs abandon us, refusing our benefits, I was totally lost in life! I was living on the streets, eating out of garbage cans, mostly behind McDonald’s left over hamburgers. I walked by David Wilkerson street mission, I was invited in for a meal, as I was waiting for the food, I was listening to David talked about Jesus Christ. He invited me to come to the front, I was a little scared as I did not trust anyone, but what the hell, I walked up front. David asked me if I wanted to recieve Salvation through Jesus Christ, several of the elders there, put the hands on my shoulders and my head, they all started praying for me. As soon I said yes, I wanted Jesus in my life everything went blank!
    Then I opened my eyes and I was laying on one of the beds in the street mission, I was told just after I stated, I wanted Jesus to come into my life, I black out! I spent my days there for almost 1 year, as I saw many give their lives over to the Lord Jesus and each time I saw this happen, I would start getting dizzy and tears would flow out of my eyes and i felt this warm feeling in my body I knew then, I wanted to serve my Lord Jesus. So David got me into a Bible College. I spent 5 years in school and graduated. I knew my calling was in street missions, as these guys had the same demons bothering them as my tribulations with PTSD. I preached the gospel for 25 years in several different street mission’s traveling across the USA. I moved to Mexico, and spent 15 years studying prophecy. that my life.

    • Very touching. Thank you for sharing. I love hearing those stories. If you ever want to write a book about your life, I’d love to read it and possibly publish it. is my publishing company, please check it out.


  • Marie – I don’t like putting numbers on replies but…199? You have a gift from God. Use it for His will. Your words sat heavy in my heart. I’m so glad I stumbled on this web site. I am more proud of all of you, reaching out to people who may struggle with their faith or may not believe at all. Keep looking up. Because Jesus is coming for His bride soon.

    • Thank you, Bo. You did not “stumble” on this site, you were led by the Holy Spirit. God bless you, hon.

  • Pastor La Rue – WOW, what a testimony. It just blows me away how God works. At just the right moment in your life you happen to be at David Wilkerson’s street mission. And that night YOU accepted Jesus in your life. PLR – That is an awesome story. I’m thinking maybe God has that 1 moment in all of our lives where we are given THE opportunity to accept Him as our Lord. And, its up to us to accept. I thank God you did. But I also know He doesn’t give us just 1 chance. Anybody can come to faith at anytime. Keep the faith like I know you will. God Bless you Pastor LaRUe.

    • Bo,
      I appreciate you too; because we all need encourgement from other Christians regardless of where we are in our walk with the Lord.
      I accepted the Lord in 1972, and from that time on I just couldn’t get enough of His Word. It’s a thirst that will never go away as long as we’re here. You have that too, because you are yearning to learn more and more.
      I have found a really good Christian website called:
      Stay with us Bo, and God Bless You

  • Bo, When I got saved, I felt a peace and love flooded my soul, wanted to see everyone get that same peace. But , we must be careful,. satan is out to destroy that peace in us. That is where faith comes in. We must walk by faith, when we don’t feel saved, and we will many times in this carnal body. But always remember God’s promises, they are true. He said,” I’ll never leave you”. Trust Him for everything, Make Him your everything. If you will do that, you will bless Him and He will bless you, That is His love.

  • BO:
    Sometimes we think we are in control of our decisions, but I have found out that God is in control of us! I found out in my life I needed to renew my vows with Jesus Christ, when I’m down or I feel weak in my faith for my Lord God! I just go up in front, when I’m asked to give my testimony, and after that happens, I feel up lifted in my faith.
    Why I felt I needed to preach God Word in street mission’s? Than doing as some of my friends at school, as they recieved assoicate pastor’s in large churches. I felt I was acting like Paul preaching the Word!
    Also I acted like Paui never recieving any pay for my preaching. I felt since it came from my heart, I couldn’t be paid for it, as on the side, I took p/t jobs to support me ( 2 Cor. 11:7) AND (1 Cor. 9: 17-18)
    I always believed that the lazy people in the world are politicans and ministers both looking for donation but they never work for it, and I never wanted those comments throwen in my face!

    • Pastor , You know you got paid for it. He always repays. You just haven’t collected, yet. We love you, Pastor.

  • Ron: My pay! Jesus died on the cross to give me Salvation! And that’s the best paycheck I could ever recieved from Jesus!

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  • Tracy:
    Its human nature to feel fear of the unknown!
    Each day I feel fear, but in the long term I do not feel fear as I know I will be with other christian love ones and Jesus Christ!

    The only ones should feel fear from God, are the unbelievers, and there will be alot of fear on Judgement Day!

  • Thanks Tracy

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