Google Nest Plans A Home Invasion

Google has just acquired Nest for $3.2 billion. Nest had built a thermostat “that adjusts to your living patterns.” It also developed a fire alarm that links to the...
we need to examine why Google gaining a foothold into our houses with home automation devices feels creepier than, say, Xfinity providing us with home security

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After learning how Google is pairing off with the military and even the NSA, one might be tempted to turn off one’s computer and phone. But what about your thermostat? Google has just acquired Nest for $3.2 billion. Nest had built a thermostat “that adjusts to your living patterns.” It also developed a fire alarm that links to the thermostat. Basically, observers think getting the Nest technology allows Google to learn what we are doing when we are not on the internet.


We need to examine why Google gaining a foothold into our houses with home automation devices feels creepier than, say, Xfinity providing us with home security

Dan Hanon writes for Wired: It’s not just an acquisition — it’s an annexation. The kind that involves planting a flag. Because now we’re talking physical territory, which is the case as the internet inexorably and increasingly reaches into the real world. Simply put: People invited Nest into their houses. Not Google.

It was one thing when services like AdMob got acquired by Google or Flickr and Tumblr got acquired by Yahoo! It’s another thing when the companies — really, their devices and users — getting acquired are services that have a persistent physical presence in our lives. People have always thought of online places as distinct spaces, but with a sense of place comes a sense of territory, belonging, and community.

That’s why, despite Google and Nest’s statements that Nest would remain separate, Google essentially bought its way into your house — literally so if you’re a Nest user. An annexation indeed: You didn’t have a choice. You woke up and the new ruler was in town. There was no resistance. There are no good alternatives to Nest (yet). In fact, gaining users this way is the M&A equivalent of the military shock and awe tactic — rapidly dominating through billions of dollars instead of firepower; imposing will upon user communities without consent.

Hanon critiques Google with another term from the war on terror. “And nowhere in this campaign does anyone put effort into winning hearts and minds.” Do we really want them to? If our household utilities are hooked up to the same database that monitors our online activity, how will they use that information?

Still, we need to examine why Google gaining a foothold into our houses with home automation devices feels creepier than, say, Xfinity providing us with home security. Do we actually trust a cable provider more than we trust Google here — if so, how can that be? I think it’s because Google’s stated mission of organizing the world’s information is in danger of becoming significantly more creepy.

Because there will always be more information to organize. It turns out that “all the information in the world” includes not only streetviews of houses but might even include our heating patterns or when we’re away from home (which, to be fair, Google already knows about because our plane tickets are in Gmail and our searches on its servers). Given the NSA’s known strategy of working with internet companies to get information about people, it would be nice to know exactly what Google was planning to do with their new powers. source – Political Outcast


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  • STL

    It just kills the government not knowning what we are talking about them, they will come up with any type of bugging device to know every word you are saying against them, we are living in a control life style!

  • van

    Do not forget about the smart meters.

  • Anyone now ever question the mind of Regina Duggan?! Anyone ever question the validity we have in His Word?!
    Here in the mid mid west (west of the Mississippi) gookle chrome came to our smaller sister town across the stateline where the media (LOCAL) were so bubbly when they (GOOK) were putting this system in for FREE, what Camel S#it this is! Now Gook has cross the line (State) and now many are finally questioning all of this!

    * also (off sub) our LOCAL Fox (others too) station going out of the way (tin buck tu) to report on shootings (what is really an assault weapon) in other distant states & cities especially if the color of this person is white! When a shooting(s) done by illegals or anyone else, it’s always treated as benign! This crap too is also getting on the nerves of All thinking people! – These goons who are in media & professing academia (pushing this euferiuos agenda) may soon get some flack when people wake (they are) up! The coming satanic chaos will be in the face of all living on the earth, including the (so called) elite, theirs a reason incest run deep in these families!

    *one other note; if the Lord tarries, we can bet (all of us) will be put in a situation(s) where being A Christian can not be just warn on our sleeves (I’m not talking the 7yr trib) where way of life will be affected seriously – this beast machine (info farming/gathering) has been in place for sometime already! A person can be off the grid but the reaching is already there! The Lord loves us so very much, He Saved us, can we love Him back if our little worlds are shattered? Think of our brethren around the world who refuse this Satanic grilling! This ‘time’ WILL pass, those who hate the ways of God will be eternal!
    Look at Paul, Peter and those before us, we may be put threw the same, it will be worth it!

  • We usually think of the antichrist as a person but I am beginning to wonder if it has to do with computer technology invading and controlling our lives 24-7

    • MRH

      The bible yields the answer 😉

      Dan 8:23-24 KJV – And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

      P.S. Beast however can refer to kingdoms or systems, such as the beasts of Daniel and Revelation 🙂

      • STL

        MRH: The beast can’t not refer to a kingdom or system, now your second guessing yourself without any scriptures to back up that statement.

        In the first place why is he called the ANTICHRIST, because he’s the opposite of Jesus. Antichrist will come into existence just as Jesus Christ did in this world, but he comes from the seed (DNA) of Satan and a human woman. He’ll be killed and then lives at mid-point in the tribulation, Satan will desend unto the Antichrist and he proclaim himself God. We know that angels are real and they service God!

        So your not proving nothing by guessing!

        • Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,

          • Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise

        • MRH

          STL: Read Daniel! Those beasts are KINGDOMS! Likewise the beasts of Revelation, though the Antichrist himself is a final king, but we don’t know absolutes yet. However as always, time tells the tale of truth 😉

          P.S. If we are saved, we are safe from wrath period. But not from persecution, as evidenced in the past and now!

          Btw I haven’t all the answers nor do you, only God knows hidden knowledge. We can only know as we learn 🙂

          • They are the same as Revelation, Mark. He is a king, even as Daniel told Nebuchadnezzar that he was a kingdom:
            Dan 2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee:
            The beast is both the king, and the kingdom that this king resides over. The horn of a goat is still the goat, just as his huffs are. Your finger is you, just as your foot is. The king is the kingdom, just as Nebuchadnezzar was the kingdom of Babylon.

          • MRH

            Yes Ron, however those ancient kingdoms had multiple kings. Ancient Babylon had 6 kings, Nebuchadnezzar being 2nd 😉

            Rev 17:10-11 KJV – And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

            The seven heads (kings) are both historical and future. The fallen 5 world empires before Jesus time were in order; Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medio-Persia, and Greece. The world empire present in Jesus and Johns time was Rome, which later collapsed. Since then there have been no world empires. The last world empire is to be the NWO, which is presently in formation, but not yet born.

            However Obama is king of things now, and not just in Washington DC, but his highest throne is actually at the UN. Does this carry significance? Yes indeed, as the UN is the backbone of the NWO plan.

            Also according to Daniel 11, the end time tyrannical king is not a Jew. He is simply a vile or repulsive man, not even of royal lineage. And by all the evidence, Obama fits things to a tee imo 🙂

          • I agree, down to the NWO thing, Mark. That is what the devil has got the world looking at, a decoy. OB1 is a want to be, Mark, nothing more. He was the one to change his name, not his mother. A want to be, Mark. It’s sad you want it, too.

          • MRH

            Ron: The NWO plan is no decoy, that much is historical fact! Rather the NWO is a diabolical agenda created by the Luciferian Illuminati. The same satanic group which founded America in 1776.

            Do you really think America was ever much Gods land? FYI America was designed for the future NWO. The evidence is on the US $1 bill. The pyramid and eye of Horus. The Antichrist represents the all seeing eye. If you can’t see this plain fact, then what else can I say?

            Also the elites new ONE WORLD TRADE CENTER is a pyramid shape, with a Muslim minaret on top, making the odd structure exactly 1,776′ tall.. symbolizing the birth of America in 1776. Don’t believe me, then do some simple research bro 😉

            As for Obama, time will tell. If he gets himself re-elected that will be a strong clue. And he can do such by voiding the constitution. But remember that the elite run the show. They decide whom they want on or off thrones. The voting thing is just a game to keep things amusing. Did you not know that Ron?

            P.S. The small evil elite are far more powerful than most folk realize. Obama and his colleagues are/were merely puppets of the elite. Remember that JFK resisted the NWO plan, and thus was deleted. Likewise with other celebrities; Princess Diana, Tupac, MJ, etc. Each opposed the NWO, and were craftily silenced.

          • This country was a God fearing land for a time. Now you are hard pressed to find a God fearing person. I’s all Love and live loose as a goose, and we’ll all be happy ever after. Sure satan has had his hand in the making o our countr and he still does. But some here still fear the Lord. Satan has some places in the world, in worse shape than here. But some of us dream of fears that really are not to fear, God is still God, and blessed are those that trust in Him.

            Pro 28:1 The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.

          • MRH

            Ron: America was never Gods land really. Maybe briefly during the pilgrim area, but it was quickly taking over by the Illuminati. But by the same token, America holds a good share of believers.

            Regardless, the religion behind America is anything but true Christianity. But you obviously don’t know that, as you haven’t researched matters as I have. And the sad fact is that Satan’s influence is global, though much evil is rooted in America. In fact we are the main source of sins in the world; sex, drugs, gambling, etc. It’s all quite self explanatory 😉

  • Jesus we long for you, please come soon. I know there is work yet to be done, and I’m one of the worst about letting procrastination and distractions keeping me from doing the work and reaching the lost.
    My prayer is that we can reach as many people as possible, and that we will not hesitate to do the work of our Lord.
    It’s getting scary out there, but He will maintain calm in our hearts.

    • Jesus said:
      Mat_10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
      If we believe we have no reason to fear anything, but let us be as David, putting our trust in the one true God, let us fear Him. Let us not be carnal mined, but seek the things of the Spirit, that we are born of. That is the only way to see the truth. If we think in carnal time and carnal things, we block out the spiritual understanding completely. Saying the day of the Lord for example is not just 1 day of our time but 1 day is a 1000 years to God. The day of the Lord is a 1000 years, the Bible proves it. But the carnal argue against it. We must make our eyes to see the spiritual things of God, or else we can not please Him.

      Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
      Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
      Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
      Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

      Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

  • Those that seek the truth, will find it.

    Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

    Joh_4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
    Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

  • But they cannot change what is that in our hearts…Please come dear JESUS..

  • People! I say this with a heavy heart! 🙁 GET RID OF YOUR SMART METERS! The ones that the electric and gas companies are promoting that states “you will save money on your energy bills!” BS, 👿 these meters have a nefarious purpose! I wish I could get into detail, THE ELF tech is there to manipulate your emotions while you sleep and do your daily work at home. I have SPECKED many of these meters to architectural designs thinking they would help the populace save money. For that, I ask God to forgive me for my ignorance. I did not know, 🙁 It will be used soon to control the masses of what’s to come. 🙁 Pray for me!

    Dear Lord, I pray that you will not remember the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions. Please think of me according to your mercy and for your goodness sake, O Lord. Lord I turn from all of those sins that I commited and ask for your help in washing the memory and thoughts of that sin completely from my mind. Please restore me to faithful obedience to your word, and fill me with your Holy Spirit anew, so that I may keep your commands all the days of my life. Lord Yeshua (Jesus), I invite you into my heart anew today, and I ask forgiveness for all of my sins. Jesus, thank you for dying for my sins and for forgiving me of them through your shed blood for me on the cross. Please take away all the sinful old things in my heart that defile me and replace them with the good things that you desire to grow in my life. Please wash away all the sinful crud and tendencies toward evil and replace them with a hunger and thirst for your righteousness. I need your help, Lord God, in living this new life in Christ. Please send your Holy Sprit afresh into my life to help me, heal me, lead me and transform me. I also pray that your shed blood washes over me, protects me, and that I am counted worthy to escape the things that are coming upon this world in the form of your righteous judgment. Help us to see the error in our ways as individuals and lead us to repentance before it’s too late for us. in Yeshua (Jesus) I pray. Amen.

    • For those of you who still doubt of what’s coming, Here is a quote from the NWO. I guess, It’s time to wake up.

      We shall have world government, whether or not we like it! The only question is whether world government will be achieved by conquest or consent!
      Paul Warburg
      Council On Foreign Relations and Architect of the Federal Reserve System

      We are grateful to the Washington Post, NY Times, Time magazine and other great publications whose directors have attendad our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we have been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But now the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supra national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national-auto determination practised in past centuries.

      David Rockefeller
      Council On Foreign Relations
      June, 1991

    • I agree with that prayer Eng. Amen and Amen to that for me too!!!!

    • Eng, God bless you for sharing this, have a great wknd

    • STL

      Teresa B: This Vietnam Vet screwed up, allow VA to state he could not handle his own finances. I was smart, as new this was coming, because VA can use this against him for another reason, if his wife become unable to take care of her self, then VA can make him have a payee and tell him exactly where to live without his approval.

      But I got the VA Psychologists to state I could not deal with society as I might be harm to others or myself, by doing this VA stated I could only handle my own finances as other could not deal with me.

      So I have no problems with VA, except when I enter a VA Building, I get searched for weapons.

  • Gump reloaded

    So I guess we should blame the engin-queer for what’s coming and not Obama….thanx for waking me up to the truth man….. that’s all I to say about that

  • chuckle

    new year – new blow up doll.


    Iran gaining foothold in Saudi Arabia

  • Hmmm. Something to definitely think about.

  • STL

    Ron Murphy: how long you been a Pentecostal religion?

    I thought the ole boys in the Virginia mountains were Southern Baptist boys?

    • STL

      Ron Murphy: Is the boys in the virginia mountains still making that homemade alcohol? Not too many coal mines are open anymore?

      • I wouldn’t know, drugs have devastated my area. Those that have rejected the truth, have stumbled down a rocky road! People here don’t take to kindly about preaching to them. They say they been peached to death. They hate the truth more than pretribbers do.

    • I been Pentecostal since the age of 5. My people Started the Pentecostal movement here. Nearly all my people are Christians, I thank God for them. At least 10 are ministers. Most of my family believe in post trib. It’s mostly what I’ve studied since age 12, seeking God along the way, by prayer and supplication. Trusting in no man, not even my people to lead me in it.

      • MRH

        Ron: Christians are many on earth, and of many different denominations. Btw the local home fellowship I’m presently attending is hosted by a Pentecostal couple, and the group leader couple is both salvation conditional and post tribulation oriented. And believe me we’ve had endless battles over varied biblical issues! Trinity, Baptism, etc 🙂

        Even so, I consider them all beliver friends. For I hold no grudges against anyone, except those whom continually attack me (what other choice?). In fact I’ve even atheist acquaintances, plus my sister is an atheist. Whom I recently aggressively witnessed Christ unto, and later plan to follow up with a pressing letter unto salvation hope! 🙂

        • Mark, it has never been my purpose to attack you. But some things you teach are far from Biblical teachings. You would do well to stick with Bible, Brother and quit eating what the world has to offer. The only problem I have with you is you’re teaching this garbage to others instead of Bible. I believe you see a lot of things and you are learning as you go. Learn of the truth before you teach anything. Teaching untruths will put you in God’s anger. I sought God for a long time before being allowed to teach in His will. I would Not want to face Him for teaching a lie.

          • MRH

            Ron: The things I teach are things as I understand them at the time, be they the bible, or external sources 😉

            P.S. I try to give evidence, but much remains mystery 🙁

  • STL

    MRH: Jesus sure was right, only a few will be going up alive to be with him in His kingdom. Because most of you will be living through the Tribulation.

    And exactly how you planning to keep your faith in Jesus Christ and refused the evil system of Satan in this world, you can not even leave your apartment without fear from your AS mental prpblems, as soon Satan goons takes your medicine away from you, you’ll be screaming to Satan to help you, and that a fact!

    • STL

      Suez: Please I’m waiting for you to tell me how mean I’m at MRH, but facts do not lie, Satan does not have any pity on anyone, he’ll used humans for his own objective, but in the end he’s taken whoever he can with him to the Lake of the Fire! And he’ll use humans just to brake them down, so they will take the Mark.

      And all of you think your so full of love and understanding, that you’ll win against Satan’s deceptions, millions have and lost to Satan. You can not even show love of this web site to others, as your complaining to each other everyday. And Ron insults others then calls it loving others, that just plain psychologically sick in his mind.

    • MRH

      STL: The Church will NOT be small (it’s huge). God has his plans to do what he desires. So if you are a true Christian (not an imposter?), then you’ve nothing spiritual to be concerned with?

      However the tribulation is both spiritual and material in form, just as is our daily life situation. But, God will not condemn his children. Which implies that tribulation also can’t damn us. Comprende?

      P.S. Satan’s power over the world changes as his allotted time decreases. But in the end he has full control over everything here, as God has given that power unto him!

  • STL

    Ron Murphy: I thought you said, one Uncle is a Pre-tribber, that must make things a litle unbalance in your family beliefs?

    • Yes, my closest uncle is pretrib. My other uncle is lost. But they are about all that don’t follow post trib in my family. Nearly all of Brenda’s family are post trib believers. My best friend is a pretrib pastor of a big church here. But he has little understanding of prophecy. My uncles got some strange beliefs and believes in the serpent seed doctrine. Half my family is Jesus Only, but no snake handlers, though. My sister, Brother in law, Mother, Dad, Grandmother, Aunts and my Uncle all believe in Jesus only. So I’m a black sheep, on that one.

      • STL

        Ron Murphy: No wonder your the black sheep, you testify with a distorted doctrines and you believe that by beating someone up with distoted words your showing them that its love. You have testified being similar of IF I BE GOD, YOU BE IN GRAVE DANGER, then you continue your distorted words that YOUR SINLESS.

        The only person that is SINLESS, is JESUS CHRIST!

        • STL

          Ron Murphy: you said, that your best friend is a Pretrib Pastor, but he has little understanding of Prophecy. He believe what is more important to him is bringing the lost to Jesus Christ than preaching Prophecy.

          And since you enjoy telling me I believe in fairy tales and fables, insulting me by calling me a clown. I wonder you call your best friend that he’s a clown that he believes in fairy tales and fables, so basically your insulting your best friend.

          So that’s how you treat your friends with understanding love?

          Please do not try and be a friend to me, I just do not need back stabbing friends like that around me.

      • STL

        Ron Murphy: By your distorted words of God’s scriptures your decieving others.

        Let’s look at scriptures:

        Jude 1:18 ( KJV) How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

        2 Peter 3:3 (KJV) knowning this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers walking after their own lusts.

        In Greek ” empaiktai” means ” deciever.”

        1 John 4:1 (KJV) Believe not every spirit, but try these spirits whether they are of God, because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

        So by this scripture I’m not judging you, Ron Murphy!

        2 Peter 2:1 (KJV) Even there shall be false teachers, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that brought them and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

        You said, that your sister, brother in law, mother, dad, grandmother, aunts and my uncle all believe in Jesus only.

        Ron, really that all we need to do, is believe in Jesus only. So if there different than you, so who do you believe in?

        • I’m not going into doctrine of Jesus only with you, vile man. I have nothing else to speak with you right now, as you have set to cause strife and discord. Changing my words and working deceit, all in the name of the Lord. Wicked! If others can not see your evil fruits and they fellowship with you, they better be ware, a rotten apple spoils the whole bag.
          1Co_5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
          1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

          Mat 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
          Mat 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

          • STL

            Ron Murphy: As your statement: ” I’m not going into doctrine of Jesus only with you, vile man.”

            So your saying you rather peddle your false doctrine with someone who does not know scriptures than dealing with a more well experience person in scriptures? Yes?

            How am I causing Strife and discord, when I testifing about your false doctrine. You asked for scriptures and I provided them for you. Then you always saying I’m changing your words and working deceit, how is that possible if you were truely testifing correctly about God’s scriptures? But you not as your providing us, with your prideful nature and your ego, then you insult us in your false doctrines that we are clowns and believing in fairy tales.

            You brought up the point that your best friend is a PRE-TRIBBER, and I only asked if you insult your best friend as you do us on this web site against PRE-TRIBBERS?

            We also can look at your false beliefs, not stating the scriptures correctly to us here, so your fruits are starting to smell rotten?

            How can I attack you? Only if your speaking in false doctrines?

      • Non one in my family believes in God!

        My nanna, and all of my uncles and aunties are rich and believe that they have no need to turn to God. Same with my cousins.

        Only sibling, my older brother, is an atheist he even laughed one day and said that he worships lucifer and he listens to satanic music………we are a definitely Cain and Abel!

        Old man passed away as a non believer, but my mum, is such a humble lady and has such a loving heart, her partner is a vietnam vet, he is a born again, he is very smart and his knowledge of ancient and modern history from a biblical perspective is incredible, but they are not married and have been together for ten years, so he is a hypocrite, but the good thing is that he has taught my mum so much and she can see whats happening in the world, but I keep urging them to get married.

        My wife is a catholic that scoffs at me when I say that Jesus is returning, the naiveness and stubbornness to study with me is frustrating, thats why I am going to have such a challenge to bring up my daughter in this world with the influences that I have around me.

        I have never been to church! I personally believe that Satan is in every church! I have no friends that believe what I do and are on the same level as me, which I barely speak to anymore anyway.

        Do you see how alone I am brother?

        But I don’t care. Because I am happy!!!!

        • Down Under I will pray for you and your family. I cant imagine how hard it must be for many reasons. Don’t ever loose your hope in Christ stay strong in Him.

          Psalm 59:16-17

          King James Version (KJV)

          16 But I will sing of thy power; yea, I will sing aloud of thy mercy in the morning: for thou hast been my defence and refuge in the day of my trouble.

          17 Unto thee, O my strength, will I sing: for God is my defence, and the God of my mercy.

          • Thanks Ron and Teresa,

            My faith is stronger then ever now!

            Even though we have never met we still get along like a house on fire!

            Its great to have you guys to open up to even though I am on the other side of the world!

            We will all meet one day soon and laugh about the old system!

            I don’t have to say God bless, because you guys are already blessed!!!!!

          • Have a Blessed Sabbath Down Under, that train you are on will take you on a forever journey to the Promised Land! 🙂

          • 🙂 Same to you Teresa, and what journey we all have!!

        • Again, great testimony, Brother. All we need is Jesus. Don’t be so hard on your Uncle, Brother, if they do not fornicate or commit adultery, they are married in God’s eyes anyway, they are one flesh. Marriage is not the ceremony, anyway. It’s the joining of the two. If they are faithful to that union, then they are better than most people that has had the ceremony, if they are not faithful. Join to your uncle, in fellowship, with the Lord. I love you, Brother, always know that. God bless you.

        • STL

          Down under dog: you said your older brother ia an Atheist, but he worships Satan, then your brother does not believe he’s an Theist, as Atheist do not believe in God or Satan. Then you say that your mum is living with her boyfriend. My question do they love each other share everything together? Then as he’s a born again believer and a Vietnam Vet. Does he support your mum? Then their in a bonding relationship? so how are they both are hypocrites after ten years together, Oh! since he did not follow man’s law, but followed after God’s law, that makes both of them hypocrites, but your only calling him a hypocrite, but it take two decisions to form a relationshp? Both of your parent have a beautful relationship with Jesus Christ, yes? But your legal married in the sight of law and your wife as a Catholic does not believes in God or her legal husband.

          As I believe your mum and step-father in the eyes of God, are very happy with each other, but your legally married in man’s law and it seems your very unhappy with your non christiam wife.

          Not trying to be rude to you, just following you from your spoken testamony!

          • Yeah, thanks brother, I understand where you and Ron are coming from regarding my mums relationship.

            I was just worried for them thats all, I am so glad that she met him, because she will be saved through him, well not through him, but through Christ because he is in union with Him which saves her, and she is really becoming aware.

            I do feel alone, but he is the only person that I can speak to that understands whats happening in the world, he has incredible knowledge and experience, much much much more than me, I used to think that he was nuts and we have had our differences in the past, Im just glad that my mum is so happy, she deserves it 🙂

            In terms of my relationship, I really do love her, she really loves me, she is an incredible wife, an incredible mother and an incredible person, you can probably relate to me brother because she is Peruvian! Can be very fiery! South American girls are very loyal and can be quite jealous out of nowhere!

            Its just the frustration of her being so stubborn, but she is 6 years younger than me and a little naive, but I’m sure that God has placed us together so I can protect her, I can’t be impatient with her, God knows when she will be ready!

            My brother, well he he changes his mind all the time!

          • Down Under, I know we are to be w equally yoked in marriage, but I have see the Lord work His ways and people be saved by marriage in that way. Keep your Faith, Miracles do happen every minute of every day!

          • Yeah, I hear you 😉

            They will never break up!

  • STL

    Brenda: If your truely Ron’s wife, not a make believe wife. Then your home life, is pretty bad, dealing with Ron’s family, as they believe that your scoffers and decievers and distorting God words. Because most of Ron’s family are Pre-Tribbers, that sure causes alot of unhappiness in your families?

    • Well, as far as I can tell, I am not make believe…and I don’t believe in fairy tales, either.
      As for our families, God has given us a great peace, since we do believe in this same Jesus. God is so good, and He delivers us from our troubles, if we let Him? Won’t you let Him come in and help to deliver you?

      • STL

        Brenda: How can you asked me to let God deliver me when you believes in false doctrines. I have told you several times I accepted Jesus Christ gift of Salvation in 1973, and accepted him as my Savior, and I allowed Jesus to change my life to the better, as I help alot of people in my life. And from Jesus has given me a beautiful life.

        So how much more I can assure you , I pray to Jesus everyday, I walk with Jesus everyday, I thank Jesus for everything I have recieved from him, I offer prayers for the food, He put on my plate everyday!

        So if Pre-tribber are correct and we do go before the Tribulation begins, then basically God did not deliver you from your troubles, then how will you feel about God?

        • While the world goes on playing today,
          I’ll love Jesus.
          While the world goes on having their say,
          I’ll love Jesus.
          While the world blows itself away,
          I’ll still love Jesus.
          If I’m starving, and no shoes on my feet,
          I’ll love Jesus.
          And I won’t bow down at their feet,
          ‘Cause I love Jesus.
          For I know heaven will be so sweet–
          Thank you, Jesus.

  • STL

    Brenda: you sure caused a big division in Ron’s family when you married him. So I guess your the one to influence Ron from believing in Pre-Tribulation, as his entire family believes in Pre-Tribulation. I bet you cause many arguements when discussing God’s scriptures to Ron’s family members, that sure doesn’t make it easy on Ron dealing with his mother and father. No wonder Ron, is the BLACK SHEEP in the family?

  • STL

    Brenda; Back in the 1990’s I traveled through Virginia, and I met alot of nice people there, and all of them are very family believing in Jesus Christ. So since your the outcast to Ron’s family, as they believe your not believing in God’s words correctly, has caused Ron, many days of unhappiness with his own family. I’m really feeling sorry for Ron, you have caused him many problems with his family.

    • My family loves, Brenda. They see no fault in her. My family, honors my believes. We are not that far apart. Why do you nit pick, trouble maker. Any way you think you can stir trouble and strife, you try. You really are evil. You are no man of God. A Pastor sure, for the devil. Now, I would think, I judged you righteously, wicked one!

  • STL

    Ron Murphy: Your the wicked one that judges Pre-Tribbers for their beliefs by insulting them with rude remarks. And you causing strife on this web site, by condemning us in your threats which you call its love from you. So I’m not allowed to judge you with righteous judgement, but you being better than me, your allowed by God to judge me and call me wicked? LOL ha, ha, ha!

    Your the one that went against your parents wishes and married a Post-Tribber. Then you insult pre-tribbers with insults but at the same time your best friend is a pre-tribber?

    I’m not a trouble maker, just repeating your words about your family being pre-tribbers?

    We will see who will be in heaven and the one standing in the line for judgement at the end of the 1000 years?

  • STL

    Ron Murphy: when your talking to your best friend, do you insult him, calling him a clown and he is believing in fairy tales and fables. As you said, he’s a Pre-Tribber!

    Really, your best friend would not put up with your crap of insults to him very long. And I wonder how long this friendship will last?

    So you insult pre-tribbers every day on this web site, but do you really say to your best friend, he’s a clown?

    • STL

      Ron Murphy: your proving to everyone by your actions of your words, that your not telling the truth to us on this web site, as it easier to insult others while you hide behind your computer screen.

      • 2Pe_2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

        Jesus is the word of God! Denying the truth , you deny Jesus.

        2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
        2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
        2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
        2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
        2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
        2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
        2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

        • STL

          Ron Murphy: I’m never denying the truth of God, I’m denying your false doctrines to you only!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • All things are distorted to those that don’t have eyes to see or ears to hear. The word of God is not for those that deny the truth, but is music to those that will hear, and is beautiful to those that will see! Fearing the tribulation or the antichrist is ungodly. It is against God’s word.

    Mat_10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
    Pro 28:1 The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.

  • STL

    Ron Murphy: So your saying that your blind and deaf? Because your denying the Truth of the Scriptures to us!

  • 2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
    2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
    2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

  • 1Th 5:14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.
    1Th 5:15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.

  • STL

    Brenda: tell me how you have suffered in life in this world we all live in?

    Have been to war and gave your blood for your country?

    Have you lost your baby daughter to cancer?

    Did your spouse commit suicide, and you found the body, with blood all over the floor?

    Did you wonder from place to place being lost?

    Were you ever been homeless?

    Did you beg others for a hand out?

    Did you beg people to work in exchange for food and a shelter over your head?

    Have you spent cold nights in doorways, trying to sleep standing up all night, when you never had a blanket to keep you warmed from the freezing rain?

    Have you ever felt so low in your life, after people split in your face and laugh at you, being homeless?

    Has society tell your only garbage to them?

    Have you seen a young woman, begging for a hand-out, while she’s crying for help, and people just laugh at her.

    Tell me how your going to suffer for Jesus in the Tribulation?

  • @ STL

    Act 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
    Act 26:15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

    When you come against the truth, you come against Jesus.
    I have had my share of troubles, as I have told you before, and so have many others, but some, not to the same extent, but troubles, nonetheless.
    These troubles or trials that we go thru, are to refine us, in other words….to make us, or break us, to see what we are made of.
    We can let Jesus help us thru, or not…..just like the great tribulation to come. We can let God strengthen us in our inner being, or we can give in to the antichrist and the mark . It’s all up to us, to choose.
    I know that my Lord is strong enough in me, that I will not bow, just like Daniel, in the lion’s den, or the men in the fiery furnace. There was one in there with them, another man, in that fire……Jesus. He will be there, when I go on that chopping block, to carry me home.

    Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

    • STL

      Brenda: I can say the same thing to you, that you come against the truth, you come against Jesus Christ! One thing I do not have to choose anymore, I gave myself over to Jesus Christ, but I’m still a sinner, but through forgiveness from Jesus Christ, my Savior will save me from any part of the Tribulation, as you continue to post your comments, my faith lies within Jesus Christ.

      We will see if your telling the truth, if your in heaven, if not, then you chosed wrong?

  • STL

    Down under Dog: You said you did not love her, then why you wanted a relationship with her in the first place, maybe just for sex?

    I been there and done that, just did not want companionship just sex!

    But now you have to face your responsiblities to your relationship. God tells us we are equal to each other sex, and you need to love her as you love yourself. Or your telling me that you do not even love your ownself?

    I married my current wife 18 years ago, and yes, its difficult living with a Latino woman. First these women only believe in complete love, their very close to their own families, and she gave up on her family to marry a gringo, and that was very hard for her to do in her life. She gave everything she ever believed in, just to be with you.

    We forget that when we marry another person from another country, they will not act like a girl from your country.

    Then you sure did not investigate much about your wife’s culture, did you?

    That culture is so strong in them, then add there Catholic religion into the mixed, then you got a fighter on your hands!

    When she married you it was for her entire life! She will never be completely like a woman, that acts, as the women from your country. Most of Peruian women comes from very poor family, with dirt floors, in their family house, and not enough food to go around to all the sibings.

    The only way she will believe in Jesus Christ completely by your loving actions, because the men in her country, sure got sweet words for them, just to get them into bed for sex, but as soon their with a baby, there peruian men can not be found?

    See needs to see that love from you, that Jesus has given you?

    Or your no better than the Peruian men, they just abandoned them. But at least she has her family with her, but in your case, she gave up her family for you!

    • Any body know what upbraideth means?

      • Haha, I just looked it up and I know what you mean 😉

        • Mat_5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

    • I never said that I didn’t love her.


      I have never been to Peru, but I would love to go there and meet her family, and Im very happy that I have married her, minus the catholic religion!

      Of course everyone has their problems, clash of cultures is something that we are still working on.

      But as much as I love her, and, as well as I know her now, behaviour can be a bit over the top at times, so thats when I go for a run or hit the bag or disappear for a couple of hours, seriously, she can be very volatile.

      She comes from a middle class family, she has one sister, so they are pretty well off and live in a safe area.

      Her uncle and a handful of cousins are over here, all of her friends are some of the nicest girls I have met, really down to earth and easygoing, they don’t dress like tarts and they don’t drink, smoke or do drugs, very good morality compared to the mentality of the majority of Aussie girls, and guys.

      Im going to have to learn some spanish soon!

      Hows your spanish? Does your wife speak English?

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