False Prophet Of New Apostolic Reformation Lou Engle Bows Before Roman Catholic Leader, Kisses Foot

During the segment at Azusa Now, Roman Catholic leader Calisi told the audience that division between Christians and Catholics is a “diabolical sin,” and that Jesus “doesn’t care” that Christians and Catholics disagree on biblical doctrine.

Lou Engle of The Call is again raising concerns after a Roman Catholic leader prostrated at his feet on Saturday in declaring that he wanted to “kiss his feet” in an act of reconciliation between Christians and Catholics, and Engle returned the act by likewise kissing the man’s shoe.

“And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” Revelation 17:4,5 (KJV)

EDITOR’S NOTE: No, Lou Engle, Bible believers will never, I repeat, never align themselves with the Roman Catholic Whore of Babylon. Catholic Rome that shed the blood of millions of Christians is the enemy. Catholic Rome is the great counterfeit church who has her roots in Mystery Babylon. Lou Engle, you deceive your people, teaching them lies instead of Bible truth, wanting them to hold hands with the Vatican whore. You are a false teacher of a false gospel.

The gesture took place during “Azusa Now,” an event hosted by The Call, which was attended by over 100,000 people at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum.

False teacher Lou Engle bows before Roman priest and begs forgiveness from Rome:

Azusa Now event featured Christians bowing to Rome and begging to be ‘reconciled’ to the false doctrine of the Catholic Church. The action starts at 6:55:00, watch as much of it as you can stand to absorb. I was good for almost two minutes.

“Believing that decades of globe-spanning prayer have saturated the heavens, we will boldly ask God for the rain of revival,” a description of the event states. “We will consecrate an entire day—15 hours—for the purpose of unity, miracles, healing, and the proclamation of the gospel.”

Engle had specifically invited Roman Catholics to attend the event.

“We just want to welcome our Catholic brothers and sisters from the Archdiocese of Los Angeles to gather together to pray,” he said in a promotional video. “Come join your brothers and sisters at the Memorial Coliseum believing for a move of unity and an outpouring of the Holy Spirit.”

One segment of the event featured Matteo Calisi, a Roman Catholic leader who had been appointed by “Pope Benedict” to serve on the Pontifical Council for the Laity, and had also served as president of the Catholic Fraternity of Charismatic Covenant Communities and Fellowships. Calisi founded United in Christ, an organization that strives for ecumenism between Christians and Catholics.

During the segment at Azusa Now, Roman Catholic leader Calisi told the audience that division between Christians and Catholics is a “diabolical sin,” and that Jesus “doesn’t care” that Christians and Catholics disagree on biblical doctrine.

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  • Larry/vietnamvet1971

    Bowing down to a Man………..calling the False pope Father……….. worshiping Mary…all the Fan Fare……Pomp & Ceremony……I am sure I left out plenty of other Stuff.

    Deceived & being Deceived…..that seems to be the Norm nowadays.

    • Sola scriptura

      Amen brother. Catholicism…is straight up jack’d – and it is easy to figure that out with a little studying.

    • Salt + Light

      “Take heed that no man deceive you.” (Matt. 24: 4b) Was Jesus’ first reply to questions raised by his disciples “…Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?” (Matt. 24 : 3b)

      We must take care that we are NOT deceived. And exercise ‘sound’ discernment. And pray without ceasing; putting on the whole armor of God!!!

    • Bill Scudder

      Lou betrayed the Gospel and the legacy of the Azusa St revival of 1906.

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  • melcyid

    one unholy mess

    • Larry/vietnamvet1971

      Yep…I have to agree with you….BUT the Catholic mess has been going on for Hundreds of years……and in these Last Days it is Waxing more Evil…and men that Bow down and are Deceived are Waxing worse also.

  • Lee

    I have never understood what the Catholics believe. What don’t they understand when God said. no idols? There are statues in every CATHOLIC church. Including Mary. But they keep Jesus tiny in the arms of a BIg Mary.

    • jimmyb

      That is because they took out the 2nd commandment completely. Then they split the 10th commandment in two, so, “abra-cadabra” they have 10 commandments.

      • Leonard

        The Ten commandments were given to the children of Israel–not to us–reference: Exodus 31:13-17 . When this covenant was finally “obsolete” Hebrews 8:13, the New Covenant of Jesus replaced it: Matthew 22: 36-40
        36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
        37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
        38 This is the first and great commandment.
        39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
        40 On these two commandments hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets.

        The old Ten Commandments/Covenant is null and void.

        • Skywatcher

          Leonard, I hate to have to do this, but you’re incorrect. The Ten Commandments are NOT “null and void” as you’ve stated. Christ fulfilled them! They were never abolished; our laws of the land were built upon them!

          The passage you cited confirms they are still very much alive and active because they are all rolled up into these two great commandments that our Lord gave us in this passage!

          If they were null and void, we’d have no semblance of law and order in our world today; it would be total anarchy, which is coming to a town near us in the very near future! God bless you!

          • Leonard

            I didn’t mean to imply that the spirit of commandments 5-10 was null and void, only the original covenant–which entailed more than just the 10 commandments–but in response to a post suggesting that making “graven images” in the form of paintings, statues etc were forbidden. This commandment was in the old covenant, but since Jesus makes no reference to this–nor to keeping the Sabbath–I don’t believe that it is part of the new covenant. Some may think that “graven images” are included in the commandment to love God with your heart, mind and soul, but I don’t believe this to be true. God was very clear to mention this restriction in the original 10 commandments, and I think Jesus would likewise have mentioned it had this been his intention. More evidence of the demise of the old covenant shows up in Acts 15:24-29, where the dietary restrictions, and other requirements are clearly obsolete.

            God bless you, too, my friend!

        • Bereani

          So, you mean. we have to bow down to idols because the 10 commandment were given to Jews. Even those commandments given to Israelites, it still effect to Christian age.How can you say “You love the Lord & the same time you worship & pray to Mary. You should be more careful in your comments brother, because not all are here a bible believers.

  • PaTrice

    Very hard to sit thru…I just jumped ahead to various segments…just seeing this priest rock back and forth like some jerk and the multitudes paying homage to the whore of Babylon was nauseating. come quickly Lord Jesus.

  • I started to watch then they said some prophet said we are to “follow the native americans”, and I was like WHAT???

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  • Skywatcher

    I wish it were in English. It’s great to see so many young people interested in the things of the Lord. It’s just too bad they’re drinking out of a mud puddle and not from the wellspring of Life! I cannot determine who is saved here or who isn’t, w/out first having a personal relationship with each individual. However, the whole purpose of this meeting is antichrist.

    I didn’t get to the part where the boot-licking came into play, but they might as well get used to it; they’ll be kissing other anatomical parts before too long, just like they did centuries ago! I couldn’t help but wonder at the beginning, what our Lord must think of such a gathering of this? They start out singing praises and worshipping Him, and then it turns into worshipping man. Very sad and disgusting!

  • Howdy Y’all, Well…the red flag went up when I saw the word “unity” from Engle when inviting the catholics to the “revival”. Nothing more than ecumenicism at work and 100,000 deceived people throwing away money and time to satan.
    And asking a catholic priest for forgiveness?????? What blasphemy! I sure hope that Tina doesn’t see my post or I will be in for another scathing post from her…she loves Engle and thinks that he is a great man of GOD. BTW Heidi Baker is calling on GOD to send down fire from heaven for this “revival”??? Doesn’t she know that GOD sends down fire from heaven as a judgment. More evidence of apostasy. OY! BuffaloBilly PS I wonder if Tina loves and admires Heidi Baker????

    • Ann

      In answer to fire from heaven is judgment. Not always 🙂

      Acts 2:1-13New King James Version (NKJV)

      Coming of the Holy Spirit
      2 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord[a] in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit…

      • Howdy Ann, Thank-you for your kind reply. Actually, the verse that you use says “AS OF FIRE” which is not the same as fire. In the scriptures, whenever fire is called down from heaven, it is a judgment and this is an indictment on Heidi Baker who must think that she is calling down THE HOLY SPIRIT while she prances around on stage calling on GOD to send fire. Also, you might want to trash that NKJV for the reliable authorized KJV. The NKJV does more than change the “thees” and “thous”; it also omits the word “LORD” 66 times, “GOD” 51 times,”Heaven” 50 times, “repent” 44 times, “the Blood” 23 times, and “hell” 22 times. Compare the NKJV with the KJV in the following scriptures; 1 COR 3:18, 2 COR 2:15, and Matt 7:14. Psalms 12:6 and Isa 9:21 both tell us that GOD preserves HIS WORD. That preserved WORD is found in the KJV. Blessings my Sister,
        BuffaloBilly 🙂

        • Skywatcher

          Amen, Brother BuffaloBilly! You got the word out before I could! That’s an excellent post, and Ann, and others would be wise to check out these damnable errors that create heresies! I’m so glad the Holy Spirit told me to take all my counterfeit bibles out of the trash, so I could show others the blatant errors! Otherwise, they might not believe me.

          I get so annoyed when people misunderstand this verse, and another quite like it, “He sweat as it were, great drops of blood.” Lu. 22: 44 Those are similes, but as we know, people quickly mistake them as being literal.

        • Ann

          Hi BB..I have heard from many that the KJV is the best for accuracy for study. I will take that into consideration more from this point forward in my studies. I have a question for you about fire and judgment. Can you tell me how you believe fire was sent in 2Chron. 7:3-16 related to judgment? I often quote 2Chron 7:16 and believe that we, as a nation and a people need to do. I may be misunderstanding the verses before that, but, to me, fire was used to make it a place that is consecrated to the Lord…Primarily 2 Chron 7:3 and 2 Chron 7:16. Thanks

          2 Chronicles 7:3-16King James Version (KJV)

          3 And when all the children of Israel saw how the fire came down, and the glory of the Lord upon the house, they bowed themselves with their faces to the ground upon the pavement, and worshipped, and praised the Lord, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever.

          4 Then the king and all the people offered sacrifices before the Lord.

          5 And king Solomon offered a sacrifice of twenty and two thousand oxen, and an hundred and twenty thousand sheep: so the king and all the people dedicated the house of God.

          6 And the priests waited on their offices: the Levites also with instruments of musick of the Lord, which David the king had made to praise the Lord, because his mercy endureth for ever, when David praised by their ministry; and the priests sounded trumpets before them, and all Israel stood.

          7 Moreover Solomon hallowed the middle of the court that was before the house of the Lord: for there he offered burnt offerings, and the fat of the peace offerings, because the brasen altar which Solomon had made was not able to receive the burnt offerings, and the meat offerings, and the fat.

          8 Also at the same time Solomon kept the feast seven days, and all Israel with him, a very great congregation, from the entering in of Hamath unto the river of Egypt.

          9 And in the eighth day they made a solemn assembly: for they kept the dedication of the altar seven days, and the feast seven days.

          10 And on the three and twentieth day of the seventh month he sent the people away into their tents, glad and merry in heart for the goodness that the Lord had shewed unto David, and to Solomon, and to Israel his people.

          11 Thus Solomon finished the house of the Lord, and the king’s house: and all that came into Solomon’s heart to make in the house of the Lord, and in his own house, he prosperously effected.

          12 And the Lord appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him, I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for an house of sacrifice.

          13 If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people;

          14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

          15 Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place.

          16 For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.

          • Howdy Ann, Go back and read my post. I said that when fire is CALLED DOWN from heaven not when it came down. Recall that the Hebrews followed a pillar of fire by night and this was not judgment, but GOD coming down to lead them. In 2 Chron 7 the fire comes down, not is called down and that is the difference. Fire that comes down is the glory of the LORD; Fire that is called down is for judgment. I hoped that this helped. Ann, please get a KJV. It will make a huge difference to you. I would buy you and Vicky one if it were possible…and it would be a nice bible (and cover of your choice) too. Love in CHRIST, BuffaloBilly

        • Ann

          In my comment before this, I meant 2 Chron 7:14, I use, not 16. 🙂

      • Bill J

        Ann: You need to read the KJV – the Authorized Version – not the new age NKJV. Acts 2:3 – “And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.” Note the words “like as of fire”. It wasn’t fire. It had the appearance of something like fire, but wasn’t fire. BuffaloBilly is correct that fire from heaven is a judgement and not something to be prayed for! God bless and come soon Lord Jesus!

        • Bill J

          BuffaloBilly beat me to the reply! He posted while I was writing. God bless you all!

          • Howdy Bill J, Let’s call it a second witness since that is how GOD works. Both of these women are in apostate perversions of GOD’S WORD and as Shakespeare put it…”Aye, There’s the rub”. I feel like I am in spiritual warfare on this strand sometimes. Thanks for having my back on this. Your Brother in CHRIST, BuffaloBilly

          • Ann

            Thank you Bill J and Buffalo Bill. I am signing off this sight, as I think the season is over for me here. I love to learn and even be corrected or challenged, but I hate to be accused of being the source of someone’s warfare. We all are in warfare when standing strong for God. I am no longer getting life from BB, but facing condemnation, and being put down, when asking a question. Buffalo B, you do know more about Scripture…particularly, the KJV. I am going to go spend some time with the Lord and thank Him for the awesome Christian family that showed me God’s love, when I was still a Catholic. If it were not for them, I would never have left the control, guilt, judgement and condemnation I lived under for so many years. I don’t need to be around it here either, by someone who seems to think their purpose is to correct everyone and everything when they are sure they are correct with their discernment and accuracy of the word. I did learn something…about fire. That was what I asked. I just wish it had been without condemnation of how stupid I must be and how much warfare you go through. Again, thank you for your time and direction. As a reminder, BB, God has obviously gifted you as a teacher. My 2 sense is that no one person knows it all and a good teacher, teaches without judgement, but teaches from a heart of love, so a person will grow closer to God. There is that love word again……signing off for good. Blessings to both of you. I leave with more knowledge, better discernment and no judgement from anything, just love and that peace that passes understanding… 🙂 BTW, I have no problem being corrected, just not treated like someone who is beneath others. Humility, BB, would serve you well. Can you take correction 🙂 just saying. Love to you both, my brothers in Christ

  • Ann

    Acts 2:1-13New King James Version (NKJV)

    Coming of the Holy Spirit
    2 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord[a] in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spiri

    • scarlett

      God bless you, Ann. In regard to your reply to Bill J and Buffalo Bill: I feel like you do. I don’t comment very much here, but have been “corrected” when I did–and there was no need. Understanding and helping each other should be the order here on this site, not constant criticism.

      • Skywatcher

        You see, Scarlett, that’s the whole problem! When we lovingly reach out with a gentle word of correction, it is quickly and incorrectly perceived as “criticism”, and that’s incorrect! Read Hebrews 12: 5,

        “And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

        For whom the Lord loveth he chastenth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
        If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
        But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.”

        We’re sorry you feel this way, but what good is Scripture to any of us anyway?

        “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” 2 Tim. 3: 16, 17.

        When a brother or sister in Christ sees another being deceived or willingly going astray, as an act of God’s love, which is imparted to us, we are to reach out to that individual, and to try to steer them back on course with God’s Word. That’s not criticism; that’s obedience! We will be held accountable if we do not look out for each other.

        We don’t have to nor are we expected to agree on every little thing, but when it goes contrary to God’s Word, we must, as stalwart soldiers, stand up and defend the truth.

        I’m terribly sorry that you folks feel the way you do about Bill J. and BuffaloBilly. Maybe, and I’m lovingly and graciously suggesting this, maybe you might want to go back over and reread their posts, and the reasons why they said what they did. In light of what I just said to you from Scripture, was correction in order there? If so, then accept it and do the right thing by these, your brothers in Christ. If it wasn’t, then just motor on and shake it off.

        You know, there’s also a lot to be said about constructive criticism: if it’s true, do something about it; if it isn’t stay the course! There’s also something to be said about dialoguing in this manner: one cannot adequately or sometimes correctly hear the “spirit” or the intonation of the voice behind the words. In our haste, we misread and fire off fiery darts of the wicked, instead of taking the time to carefully read the post, and to drink in the intended message. I’m guilty of that sometimes! When I am, I’m quick to step up to the plate and to apologize.

      • Howdy Scarlett, Understanding and helping each other are the the order on this site. If you read ALL of the posts from Vicky and Ann, you would have seen some fairly mean things said from them…not me. If you are corrected, perhaps you are in error and should be a Berean and check those things out for yourself. If the correction fits, you learned something; if it doesn’t, you reply kindly and explain to whomever gave you the correction. I am not on this site to correct, but I will not sit idly by and watch horrible theology spouted…and that I will comment on or correct. I gave Ann and Vicky scripture and nothing more. I did not attack character as Ann originally did to me and to Geoff. I commented on what she said, not what I thought. I read all these posts and I don’t see “constant crticism” so I think that you may be exaggerating on that one, but I can’t be certain as I have not seen them all. However, I have seen some of your posts in the past and I either liked what you said or just saw no problem with them. God Bless You, Scarlett! BuffaloBilly

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  • Karen S

    I had a strange dream this morning. It showed a comforter being removed from a house. I knew what it meant. Then I was shown a woman who was meek and unadorned. It was early in the morning. I could see that she was radiant in the Holy Spirit. I knew what it meant.

    Time is short. The false is being revealed. The deceived become the deceivers.

    The church will be as a bride without spot or wrinkle. Beautiful in the sight of God.

    Everything else is pale in comparison.

  • Tilman

    Thank you for posting this. Thank you NTEB for warning us. God bless you!

  • Vicky

    BuffloBilly, I will not get on this site again and I’m sure your glad of that since you think I’m not saved by the blood of Jesus and I’m stupid about what the bible says. It’s so sad that Christians can be so mean and put people down because they may have a different bible as in the new King James instead of the King James. My mother had the King James and my brother who is a minister has the New King Verson, and Jesus loves them both, and for your information I have both, but I prefer the New King James. It’s so sad that while people are going to hell you BuffloBilly are fussing about bibles. The Holy Spirit comes to me and says to love and tell the truth, but not put people down as if you are saying your god. I feel sorry for you BuffloBilly, you need to repent of talking about me or Ann to other people right on this site as we can’t read what your saying. I don’t know Ann but I can see she loves Jesus more than you. Please stop and pray before you say anything about people on this site.

    • Skywatcher

      Vicky, I see you are having an issue with BuffaloBilly, and yes, we are now talking about him, where he can see it also. I’ve read his reply to your posts and to Ann’s. You both have put a wrong intonation upon his voice. I talk with him apart from this site, and as on this site, I find he’s a very warm, caring, friendly, jocular type. He genuinely cares about people, and doesn’t want to see them make any wrong turns in doctrine, as these new modern messes, called “bibles” encourage.

      However, what he has stated is nonetheless, still very true! The counterfeit bibles are full of doctrinal errors. BB was kind enough to point out several of them to you. As any brother or sister in Christ, who loves and cares about the brethren, that is what he is expected to do; yourself, likewise. If I was misquoting Scripture, I would hope that you or somebody would care enough to pick me up on it, and to show me the right way. That doesn’t seem to be what you folks want to hear, and that saddens me. What’s worse, is that it saddens God.

      I’m sure you’re well aware that your eternal destiny depends upon the truth. There can only be one truth, and our parents, grandparents and great grandparents, etc. grew up with the KJV for a reason. It is the truth! Any other bible, apart from the KJV has departed from the truth. If you put 16 of these per-versions side by side, you’ll have 16 different versions of the truth! I say to you, which one of these is the true one? NONE OF THEM! They have been reproduced from the Alexandrian Texts, that were found in Egypt many years ago. They were condemned by the early Church Fathers as heresy, but somehow, somebody back in the 50’s got a hold of these, and started producing bibles from them. The Jehovah’s Witnesses, New World Translation comes from these same texts! I surely hope you don’t believe they are of God, do you?

      Have you not noticed that these modern perversions are no longer called, “The Holy Bible”? That’s because they’re NOT holy! There were satanists, lesbians, and homosexuals on these “translation” teams, who had an agenda! It was to remove various words, as BB showed you, which in turn, twisted doctrine. Not only did they twist doctrine, but they introduced their agenda, which was to promote the New World Order, and to introduce Christ as subservient to Satan! Did you know that in these “modern messes”, the Lord’s Prayer is NOT the Lord’s Prayer, but actually the prayer that is prayed to Satan? Did you know that? Yes, indeed! They changed a word or two here and there, and it subtly became the Prayer to lord Lucifer!

      So you see, BB was in his right to warn you folks of impending danger! This is only the tip of the iceberg! Go to YouTube and check out Dr. Gail Riplinger, who takes you step by step with biblical comparisons, showing the very subtle and yet, devious/demonic changes! Merely changing the tense of a word in a doctrinal verse or any other, changes the whole meaning! This is done countless times in these imposters!

      Another agenda of Satan is to have one house (church) filled with numerous versions, thereby causing confusion in public Bible reading, preaching, Bible study, etc. I’m sure you must know who the author of confusion is, don’t you?

      “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.” Seeing that God is not the author of confusion, then it stands to reason that Satan is!

      BB tried to lovingly show you ladies this truth, so as to spare your eternal souls from destruction. You both struck back at him, showing no peacefulness at all. Do you believe you were right in doing that? This is a brother who dearly loves people, and yet, you both judged and wrote him off like the cuttings off a horse’s hoof prior to getting shod. Is that of the Holy Spirit? Is that any evidence of the fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5: 22, 23), i.e. love? gentleness? longsuffering? goodness?

      This whole saga has absolutely nothing to do with loving Jesus, as you wrongly purport! It has to do with loving people and encouraging them to stop, to look at the evidence, and then making their own educated decision. To follow after the NKJV or any other counterfeit is to do so at immortal peril! Wise people look at all the evidence and then they reach a judgment. They don’t throw a hissy fit and toss well-meaning and well-intentioned people under the bus.

      These perversions are easier to read, but what good is it is one is merely reading a lie easier? What good is it to trade in the truth for something that is deceptively easier to read? You see, you, Ann and others will now be held more accountable for what you do with this information. You’ve been lovingly and graciously told by BB and myself. Why? Because we care for people, especially God’s people!

      It’s too late after you “get to the gates of Heaven, and He says to you, “Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity; I knew you not.” Mt. 7: 20-23 You don’t get another “kick at the can”, but you’ll have all of eternity to burn, to boil, and to stew with regret and remorse because you didn’t listen to the warnings today!

      For many years, waaaaay back in the 60-80’s, I was richly blessed to have pastors who were very seriously dedicated men of God, who preached warnings from the pulpits to avoid these “bibles” at all costs. For the reasons I have already given you. They weren’t lazy! They didn’t just take other people’s whims or fancies, but they checked the evidence for themselves. Then, they came back and warned their flocks to avoid these traps! Don’t you think there must might be a little something to what we’re saying here? Do you think we like to sit for hours, typing and retyping this information for the fun of it?

      As I said in a post last evening, the Holy Spirit had me dig the counterfeits out of the trash, just so I could show people the differences/variations from the truth! The New King James version is called, “New” because it teaches the New Age philosophy! That is not of God, and I should hope that you gals would know that.

      As for your brother being a minister…they’re the hardest ones to reach with this truth! I’ve approached pastors and they do NOT want to hear this! I don’t know where the Holy Spirit is at those times, for I suddenly see an ugly imposter rear its head, with venomous derision. It would seem to me, having been a pastor once, that if someone came to me, with a very strong conviction, trying to show me the errors, that I would be wise to at least look at the evidence. Upon doing so, and seeing the errors for myself, it is then my UTMOST responsibility before God, to warn my flock, and to have a bible burning ceremony, with God’s blessing! If one were to do that, it would NOT surprise me in the least if demons could be heard screaming while they burn! I’m dead serious!

      No! Instead of doing that, these errant and negligent pastors keep the trash, willing to burn their souls instead, and those of their parishioners. That’s sad beyond words! There’s something very wrong with this picture.

      Where is the conviction of the Holy Spirit in the lives of these pastors? I’m old enough to remember seeing the churches swing from absolute godliness to accepting everything and anything that goes! Why? Because none of them are using the same two bibles, and none of those phonies have the truth of God in them. The real Word of God is tossed out the door, and psychiatry and psychology offices are opened in the churches in its place! You gals should be praising God for men like BuffaloBilly and others, who are trying so hard to get the warnings out! I hope you’ll do the right thing by BB. Thus, endeth the lesson. Your loving brother in Christ, Skywatcher

      • Skywatcher

        I misspoke! This whole saga does have to do with loving Jesus! He said that if we love Him, we will love the brethren! If we love the brethren, we will warn them of impending dangers, will we not?

      • Skywatcher

        I’m sorry; it’s been a very VERY long day! Up at 4 a.m. and now it is 10 p.m. I said, “Don’t you think there must might be a little something to what we’re saying here?”

        It should read, “Don’t you think there just might be a little something to what we’re saying here?

      • DC

        That was a good post, Sky. Unfortunately, as you and I talked about, many pastors don’t even use the KJV. Sometimes when I have a verse on the tip of my tongue but don’t want to take a half-hour to try to find it in my bible, I google it and go to the result at biblehub.com. They give you all the translations and I can scroll down to KJV. They have cross-references and commentary too. It’s interesting to see how different the verses can be, which can really affect interpretation. It reminded me of a lesson I learned in a college writing class:

        On the 1st day the professor wrote this on the board, purposely w/o punctuation (we had to do it):

        woman without her man is nothing

        Some people interpreted it as “Woman, without her man, is nothing.”

        (These would be the misogynists speaking.)

        The other interpretation was “Woman! Without her, man is nothing.”

        (Can I get a “you go, girl” from the sisters?)

        The point of the exercise is that we need to get a clear point across to our audience.

  • Leonard

    Perhaps we should all send Mr. Engle some breath mints…

  • Tusitala

    Be not deceived, the Catholic “church” has never abandoned its teachings that it is the only true church and that there is no salvation outside of it. It makes no difference who begins this ecumenical dialogue or who sponsors it, the Vatican is in complete control and is forming the one world religion with the antichrist pope as its head. There is a reason why the Catholic heresy still hates the King James Bible and forbids its use: once someone reads that blessed, inerrant text with an open mind they realize the lies and abominations in the Roman cult and leave it.

    • Howdy Tusitala, Well-said and I hope that those on this strand had ears to hear and eyes to see. I know I did!
      PS I enjoy your posts on the various strands as they are always scripturally sound. I hope that others see this also.
      In CHRIST, BuffaloBilly

    • Skywatcher

      Tusitala, thank you, so very much for stating the truth again! I enjoy your posts and insights. People need to hear the truth, and you’re not afraid to stand up and to proclaim it! Continue to keep up with the excellent ministry! God bless you abundantly with grace and favor, as you labor fearlessly for Him!

  • Vicky

    Ask yourself these questions before you correct another believer:
    Is it my place to correct this person? Do I have a personal relationship with them? Or am I being a busybody in another person’s affairs? (1 Peter 4:15; 1 Timothy 5:13).
    Have I forborne this problem for a long time? Has longsuffering and patience run its course?
    Am I reacting out of pride, anger, or some other dark motive?
    Have I agonized before the Lord, asking Him to remove the dark parts out of me before I talk to my sister or brother?
    Has the spirit of self-righteousness and cruelty been extracted from my heart?
    Have I prayed for this person, asking God to correct them Himself?
    Have I gone to the cross before I pulled the trigger of correction?
    And perhaps the most important of all: How would I want to be corrected if it were me who needed the correction?
    If you cannot answer these questions with a “yes,” then you’re not yet qualified to correct your brother or sister.
    If your correction of your brother or sister hurts them more than it hurts you, you probably haven’t corrected in Christ.

    • Skywatcher

      Vicky, ask yourself this question that Jesus asked, “Do you love me? “Feed my lambs.” “Do you love me?” “Feed my sheep.” “DO YOU LOVE ME?” Feed my sheep.”

      If we truly love Jesus, then we will do all that we can to feed His sheep, and to make sure they’re not getting toxins in their diet. We lovingly care for His flock, and sometimes, the shepherd’s crook has to come out, snag them by the neck and turn them away from danger. Sheep are pretty dumb animals, and they will die quickly if they don’t have a responsible and reliable shepherd watching over them; they cannot look after themselves.

      We have been given two Great Commandments: to love the Lord with all our mind, body, soul, and strength, and to love each other as we love ourselves.

      Would I, in the right frame of mind, willingly walk off a cliff and into a raging torrent below? Of course not. Well then, as a caretaker of my fellow sibling in Christ, why would I allow he or she to do the same thing spiritually? Come on now! You can’t have it both ways.

      The questions you have posed in your post are all very good questions if…you’re dealing with people on a one-to-one basis in a long-term relationship as friend, family, etc. Why? Because we get to know them more intimately. Online, we may not have enough time to get to know many in this manner; some may not wake up tomorrow morning, and die in their sin or with a wrong understanding of God’s Word that would cause them to feel excluded and not worthy. Do you want people to feel they are unworthy of God’s grace, love, mercy, justice, and…wait for it…….correction?

      You said, “Or am I being a busybody in another person’s affairs?”

      This person’s affairs become public the moment they put themselves out there online, in this forum or any other. They open themselves up for praise, ridicule, criticism, correction, grace, love, mercy, and yes, dare I even say it…warm, friendly and caring dialogue!

      I don’t know a single soul on here who wants to hurt another brother or sister in Christ with undue criticism or condemnation. If this is the result of a misconceived notion, than we are not accountable for that. If people choose to be offended or stiffnecked when God’s Word is directed toward them, then it is at that point, between the receiver and God.

      I get corrected numerous times, and I greatly appreciate it! If someone doesn’t show me my mistake, I’m going to keep on making it, and maybe hurting people along the way! Correction is a good thing, and not to be feared or refused.

      You said, “Have I prayed for this person, asking God to correct them Himself?”

      Vicky, I could take every one of your points and pull off a sermon for you and others, but let’s just deal with this one.

      You have no idea how much any of us pray for our online siblings in Christ and others, asking God to give us wisdom and guidance each day. Some of us labor for hours over a post, seeking God’s wisdom and counsel before responding.

      There are many so-called Christians who do not crack the covers of their Bibles from one Sunday to the next; they’re “too busy”. Many have counterfeit bibles to begin with, so are not getting the truth of God’s Word. God uses people to speak His Word into the lives of others; we don’t always like to hear it, but hear it we must. We usually back up our corrections with God’s Word. If you don’t like God’s Word, spoken in love, grace and kindness, then the issue really is between you and God. Obviously, God used us to reveal an area in your life or that of others that He wants to deal with. He merely used others to bring it to the surface to be dealt with. Once it’s in your corner, you can apply all those wonderful questions you posted above to yourself, and continue on from there.

      God bless you!

    • DC

      How about, am I looking for offense where none is intended?

  • Vicky

    When you look at the world today all their is, is confusion. So when you talk to a fellow believer that loves Jesus, you should comfort each other with God’s word and love for us. When a Christian comes on this site to say anything, do you think they should be told they are making mistakes right off the bat. Where is the love of Jesus for each other, we are not to be like the world, we are to be different. I love God’s word and I love Jesus, but sometimes we may think we are better than others because we know more than other Christians. One thing you could start doing is say, I see your a Christian and I understand, have you read this in the bible……..but instead I get, I’m reading from the wrong bible. The Spirit teaches us, not man. I love you as in Christ, but I am a person who will stand up for God’s word also, but in a loving way not condemning way, have you read Romans 8:1, please do because it summons up God’s word for us all who in the Lord. In Jesus Vicky

    • Skywatcher

      Vicky, as a Christian, surely you can be courteous enough to address the person(s) to whom you’re making your comments. Yes, that’s another correction, and I didn’t need to pray about it, or spend 5 years doing a topical Bible study as to which is the right or wrong way to do it. If your comments are to me, you’re pretty swift to ignore the Biblical counsel that was given you by myself and others. Why is that? Are you so immature in your walk with Christ that you cannot come out from behind the spiritual woodshed and to enjoy the rest of the day? Your post with all the points didn’t sound like it, but your performance screams it.

      Are you one of these Joel Osteen-type followers, who only want to have your ears tickled and your butt in Hell? You sure sound like it. You shouldn’t be fighting with your other brothers and sisters in Christ, but edifying them or producing lambs for the Master. If what we have told you is correct, do something about it; if not, move on with the rest of us.

      If you get, “I’m reading from the wrong bible”, then it’s obvious that you are. As I said before, there is only one truth; you better make sure you’ve got it! The other bibles are counterfeit, modern-day messes, per-versions of the truth. Suck it up, Buttercup, and do something about it; please stop you’re incessant whining! I truly pity the pastors whose churches are half full with self-righteous and unteachable saints such as yourself. They don’t get paid enough!

      • Joanna

        Hello Brother Skywatcher I agree with you, modern Bibles they leave out certain verses, and I am sure some of them are misleading, and I think the King James Version is the best one. The NIV has the footnotes that don’t always make sense.

        I think that some writers had evolutionist ideas, in the Holy Bible in the Book of Job, the Behemoth creature, Job 40 verse 15-24,
        verse 17, it describes behemoth as having a tail like a cedar, well it isn’t a hippo or crocodile, a cedar is a strong majestic tree, so the creature has strong thick tail, and a hippo tail is skinny, footnote crocodile …NIV
        Also it is probably describing a dinosaur which lived with mankind in those days.

        Here are some stories of dragons (dinosaurs)
        The Emperor of China had a carriage pulled by dragons
        St George and the dragon
        Peru men rode dragons like horses
        The brass engravings of dinosaur like creatures in medieval churches…

        Collective mindset of our ancestors who lived thousands of miles apart?

        I think the dinosaurs were on Noah’s ark, they wouldn’t take up much space if juvenile babies and most species of dinosaur were small and the size of a small dog or smaller like a chicken. Perhaps they died out because dino burgers were so tasty!!!! They say mammoth died out through hunting…the rest ended up drowned in the Great Flood, which is why there are so many bones concentrated in rocks…Some with blood cells and vessels! Upsets the zillions of years people no end…
        Evolution is taught as fact, but I don’t believe it, I believe in the history of the world and mankind as recorded and told to us in Genesis.
        We can take our Father, our Creator at His Word, it happened exactly as it tells us.
        I am thought of as ignorant by the world, but I don’t care about the worlds opinion.
        We know the truth…

        • Joanna

          There are many differences in the KJV and the NIV and other translations, and NTEB had an article about the difference between KJV and NIV too with all the differences.
          It does matter because if one Bible contradicts another and doesn’t hold to correct translations it causes confusion, and many new Bibles have verses missing altogether.
          That is why NTEB and many Christian on here encourage the KJV Holy Bible.

        • I guess you guys are wondering why I’m jabbering on about Noah’s ark, it’s just that a LOT of Christians in the church lately are saying it is a myth and no longer believe it and some say God used evolution to change apes into mankind…I don’t know why, I think they’ve been brainwashed by all the media it’s all evolution theory all day every day…in the schools, colleges, universities and workplace they have the evolution worldview…unless they read the Holy Bible they are open to deception and lies from the world.
          Many kids today no longer believe the Biblical stories are true, because of the evolution presented as scientific fact.

        • Howdy Joanna, Very intriguing post for the many who aren’t aware. There is just too much evidence that the dinosaurs co-existed with mankind. Check out the place Called DINOSAUR VALLEY STATE PARK in Glenrose, Texas. Dr. Carl Baugh runs it. I have been there and seen a dinosaur footprint with a human footprint inside of it…petrified! Great evidence! Google Brent Miller of Ingenuity Films. He has a video called THE COMING POLE SHIFT. well-worth watching. Google ROB SKIBA. He has a great video series called Mythology and the Coming Great Deception…and one called The Mount Hermon/Roswell Connection. Both these guys do their homework and what they present is way more than enlightening. There are many more brilliant eschatologists, but these two will get you started. Thanks for your help and input. Blessings, BuffaloBilly

          • Joanna

            Thank you dear brother Buffalo Billy for telling me about the Dinosaur Valley State Park, I’ve never heard of it before and will check it out.
            I am familiar with Creation Ministries International and the UK Creation Resources Trust. I live in England and there are many fossils around the coastlines and the sea creatures these days are identical to those found in old fossils.
            The fish haven’t ‘evolved’ at all and the scientists say its remarkable they haven’t changed over the millions of years.
            I don’t believe in the millions of years theory because I believe in the Bible.

            God bless you

    • Joanna

      Hello Vicky
      I don’t think anyone on here meant to offend you, Brother Skywatcher he is explaining that to you.
      You can find/have good fellowship on this site and learn things too, from the articles and the posts. I hope you’ll continue to visit and post comments. I’ve met some lovely Christians on here that love our Lord and they encourage and pray for each other.

      God bless you

      • DC

        Yes, you all forgive and forget. No one was trying to hurt anyone. I’m not trying to be a buttinski, but I’ve been reading the comments and I just don’t see BB or Sky intentionally trying to hurt anyone. Like Tusitala, I came out of the RCC and was not strong on the bible and still have a ways to go. Sometimes when we know we have a weak spot we can be sensitive about it. I hope you stay on the site and see for yourself the love and encouragement I get here, and yes, sometimes admonition, but that’s ok. I get over it pretty quickly b/c we must forgive if we want God to hear and honor our prayers–and it’s the right thing to do. God bless you all.

  • carson

    an individual and their church might not approve of the worlds religions that worship idols nor stand side by side with those who pray to idols and pray with them, but what if your church or you join up with those who do approve of those who worship idols and who stand side by side and pray with those who pray to idols?
    And I’m not talking about ecumenicalism as much as inter-faithism, know the difference. If your church joins the RCC who have enjoined with the sikh and the budda and the hindu and the smokehouse voodoo religions and islam and…then your church is joined with those who approve of idol worship.
    so what is the inter-faith and whose involved and what’s it mean?
    and people would enjoin themselves with others who approve of idol worship?
    And does it even matter?
    ..what is-come out from among them and also that you partake not of their sins (2 separate verses there)? So yes it’s very important.

    also the world uses so many various phrases today that are so abstract yet are thought to actually be really important, but there used wrongly.
    1 is-‘seeking Jesus’, how is it used wrongly and as a cover up for all sorts of shinanagins-look into it and see. In luke there’s the parable of the self righteous and the sinner, the sinner beat on his chest and called out to God..so can ‘seeking Jesus’ be done anywhere at anytime=no show required? what is worship in Spirit and truth as opposed to a ‘show’..
    Shows and fun is fun, fun is fun, but ‘seeking Jesus’ requires no show at all, and the often used phrase that the show is for seeking Jesus is silly, preach the gospel those with ears granted by God will hear, and GOD! added to their numbers daily such as should be saved==NOT MAN.
    That’s a #2 on phrases people use today that are used wrongly-‘grow the church’, look into it, most always it means grow the church by means of man, not God, God grows, men plant and water but God causes the growth.
    And for those already found by the Lord come boldly before the throne of grace, so does seeking the Lord needs have shows and skits and runnings to and fro involved or can one simply go to the Lord anywhere anytime..

    whats that verse, matt 24:23 and others, lo He is here or lo He is there..so is Jesus at the show only? Must one go to the show to ‘seek Jesus’?
    Just some comments on how so many worldly phrases are used and used wrongly, yes seek Jesus, but a show is not required is it and most often those who are using the phrases wrongly are doing it as a lure, and find out more to see if bait is being used.

    another often wrongly used phrase, ‘love’, look into biblical examples, say paul inspired of the Holy Spirit showing to cast one from among the church so that they would repent (1st cor 5 among others), THEN welcome them back upon repentance, vs how the world uses ‘love’ to mean no keep that person within the church and just accept and love them…
    so beware of the phrases and worldly saying/mindsets we adopt huh.

    • Skywatcher

      Amen, Carson! That is a mighty fine word! As with many words these days, new and totally unrelated meanings are being attached to them. Satan is really cutting lose in his attempts to confuse and to divide!

      Thank you, for that post! God bless you!

      • carson

        Hi Skywatcher, yeah I have to wonder too do they ever find Jesus? Or is it running to and fro perpetually to every traveling show that breezes through town seeking and seeking.
        But like the sinner in luke parable beating on his chest and calling out to the Lord with all he was, seeking Jesus isn’t hard and with broken contrite heart He’s not hard to find.

        and for those who say they’ve been found yet are always still ‘seeking’, what is ABIDE in Christ vs perpetually seeking?
        Abiding and growing vs always ‘seeking’?

        ..hey imagine that, growing!!! vs always seeking..
        maybe nobody told them the way to grow-desire the pure milk of the word that you’d grow thereby, but alot have told them and spending time with the Lord in His word and prayer daily is not what the flesh wishes…fun happens with the always a seeker shows being put on vs what the flesh considers boring, receiving the word engrafted which is able to save your soul..

        I have a friend whose a show goer vs a daily gathering with the Lord in His word, never reads (or even read?) the words of God and so can be turned and sidetracked with every show that passes through town, and without desire to eat, is one even alive?
        A newborn baby clamors to eat!! doesn’t it..but if it never desired to eat, was it stillborn? That’s something they should ask themselves.
        Yes abide in Christ always and rejoice always gathering daily. Neat how the Lord pointed out in the finish (often left out portion) of matthew 12:30..he who does not gather scatters, like sheep gone astray.

  • Cherry Neil

    Our Pastor who has resigned is a follower of Heidi Baker and Bill and ??Benni Johnson as well as Patricia King. My gut is telling me that these “revival” meeting are a lot of emotional carnal stuff. See them bowing to a RCC priest confirms that something is very wrong. I saw a clip of Benni Johnson lying on a grave supposedly ‘soaking up the anointing” of the person inside the grave!! When I told my pastor this was a pagan ritual as far as I could see he brought up about when the person came back alive from falling on a prophets bones. It’s getting pretty depressing these days with not being sure as to where to fellowship as there is soooooo much deception around. I live in a smallish town and we either have the choice of hyped up, religion, so called “fire”, or seeker friendly. Where oh where have the good old preachers gone who can give a good word based on scripture bringing a life to the words of scripture where we become convicted, encouraged or comforted? Where are the preachers who can stand aside at altar calls to allow God room to move as He sees fit instead of creating a false atmosphere to give people ‘faith’? Where are the preachers who can truly give a prophesy which is straight from the heart of our Lord and Saviour?

    • Skywatcher

      Cherry Neil, I hear your heart’s cry! Where have they gone. I’ll tell you where. They have either gone home to glory, or they’re being forced underground or out of the ministry by the phonies, and the biblically illiterate people in their churches!

      Where I live, one cannot find a truly Spirit-led/filled church within a hundred mile radius; I lie…even further! The churches have been so infiltrated with counterfeit bibles, that the Holy Spirit has vacated the premises! He won’t stay where HIS word is not being preached or taught!

      There are many on this site who share our heart’s cries. If only, we could all get together and form a real Spirit-led church, what a time we could have in God’s Presence and in His Word!

      So, your pastor has resigned to go follow after this nutcase. GOOD! You’re much better off without him! Pray now, that God will raise up a truly godly man, who will lead your congregation in all truth! Don’t get discouraged! These things are supposed to happen in the last days, so be encouraged! We’re going home soon, so hang in there!

      “The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles. The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.” Psa. 34: 17, 18.

      God bless you, Sis! Glance at your circumstances, but stare at the Savior!

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  • Howdy Joanna, Well, I reckon that being in England will make Glenrose, Texas a bit difficult to get to to see the museum there. But you can google Dr. Carl Baugh and his Creationist Museum. He has several books out that are easy reading and loaded with info. He is a 6 day creation man, as I hope all of us are here on this strand. Thanks for your kind reply. In CHRIST, BuffaloBilly

  • Renea

    As an x Catholic charismatic from the 70’s, I finally left the church due to the Holy Spirit. He revealed to me the truth from the word of God and I saw that I could not sit under the Authority of the pope. Mike Bickel and his team are including Catholics who love God but lacked discernment. You cannot stay a Catholic if you know the truth.

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  • cas

    Which is older Catholicism or judaism ? Which came out of babylon with the talmud (traditions of the elders) ? Which made roman papism ?

    Answer to the above is the whore , rome a false prophet yes , but whore of babylon most likely not .

    For jerusalem is also a city on 7 hills


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