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The KJV Bible

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  1. After all…only in the King James Version do you still find the fabulous unicorn!!!

    • It Went From Hebrew To Greek then To many Translations Which Came to KJV Then it Kept Going To Nkjv NIV Erv Etc…. The Whole Point To The Bible is

      Repentance Holy Spirit Pure and Holy Be Kind and love Love With All your heart mind and soul To Thy God and to love all As your self Even Your Enemy’s

      This is The Law to Love
      Galatians 5:22 Is your Key to See if you have the Spirit in you
      But Read First Acts 2:38 This you Must do Before ye Can Have the Spirit Which is Why Others Hate Christian’s Because they dont wanna Stop There Desire Of sexual and Money comfort They’ve Practiced all There Life and Just Give in To Temptation Due to the easiness is there Goal Not Obeying God

      Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

      • Jordan48 says:

        There have always been those, not unlike you, who, thinking themselves wise and full of knowlege, scoff and deny the truth of Gods Holy Word. Doubtless, there will be those who carry on the blind and foolish practice of denial long after you have gone to your just reward!

        But, I do not desire to see anyone pass through the veil of death and suddenly find that they are condemned to the eternal flames of hell, where there is no hope, no birds to sing songs, no beauty, no love, no joy, and no God! Even though my tears for you and my words to you will not move you to accept that which is true, I shall at least try to persuade you, not for my sake, but for yours and those whom you blindly influence!

        Many years ago, I was like you, full of knowledge, and believed that I was wise! I had no desire to serve anyone but my own arrogance and desires. I made one mistake! I picked up a Bible and asked God to prove to me that He is real! The Bible I picked up was the King James version of the Holy Bible! Over the next few weeks, I developed a “hunger” for the Word of God. It was as if I was starving, not physically, but spiritually! I ate of the Bread of Life and God drew me to Jesus Christ, as a speck of metal is drawn to a giant magnet! HE, the creator of all things, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and Jacob, revealed the Son of God to me, as a reality I had never before known. I wept when Jesus raised Lazarus when He wept. I wept when Joseph revealed himself to his brothers. I wept like a baby when Christ fell and stumbled on the way to the Cross. HE LIVES! THE WORD OF GOD IS TRUE! IT IS A LIVING THING! God declared it to me in His own words!

        For me, there is no other form of the Bible! For God declared to me by the revelation of the Holy Ghost, that “My Word is a Living thing.” Reject it or accept it! You have that choice before you now! But if you reject it and die the first death, you will spend all eternity pleading for another chance, whch will never ever come again! Just as Satan had a choice, you too have a choice! Make the right ONE!

      • Jordan48 says:

        Sorry, this posting was placed under the wrong commentator!

    • April says:

      yes, because the unicorn was a real animal just like dragons. many accurate historical and scientific accounts and findings prove these animals existed. Myths have truths in them. Even historians and others will tell you that a myth is not necessarily false, just colored. Besides, myths mention every animal that was ever on earth. So, should that mean that no animal exists?
      Also, God can create whatever he wants. He created the angels, etc. What’s stopped him from creating a unicorn? Like many animals, humans killed out unicorns. They were mainly hunted for their horns.

    • Brad says:

      If you are stupid enough to believe that a unicorn is a flying horse, then you deserve the newer “bible” perversions. Unicorn simply means a animal with ONE horn. There are many animals alive today and in the past that fit the description. We have one horned rhinos, whales and lizards alive today so why is it so hard to believe that there was a one horned animal alive a couple thousand years ago? Wake up and use your brain instead of letting yourself believe little girl fairytales.

    • suez says:

      Actually, I just seen a pastor point out a dinosaur that roamed the earth in at one point in time upon the earth. Maybe in early Bible times. It was quite large and had a big horn that stuck out of it’s head, like a unicorn. I seen it’s picture, as the scientist drew it, according to bones found!!! It is Hollywood and who ever else, that put it on a nice white horse with a twisted horn. But there was a really big animal/beast that really did have one!!! LOL So it guess the Bible knew what it was saying all the time!!!!

    • meesphht says:

      That, and the zoo. If you’ve ever been to one – oh, they call them rhinoceros, today. You ought to go there and count the number of their horns.

      Can you count to one?

  2. First and foremost allow me to say I enjoy the KJV translation of the bible and still read from it.
    When I was first saved I thought the KJV was how God spoke and was the original Words spoken by God. Of course, over the years I realize this isn’t true.
    I have struggled much over the issue of translations for some time because of the issue concerning which Greek text was used to translate into english. However, today I know longer struggle with the issue.
    While I’m the first to admit many modern translations are watered down and attempt to interpret what the writer’s meant, I also realize that the KJV is a “translation” itself and poorly translated in some area’s. It was a translation for it’s time using words from a vocabulary we no longer use.
    In closing, I think whatever “translation” someone uses that enriches their relationship with Jesus is the one, at the end of the day, they should continue reading from. Again, I love the KJV and trust it completly, as I do some other modern day translations. But again, it is a “translation” of Greek and Hebrew and is not the “original” Word of God.

    • godwithme777 says:

      John, The bible was written by God, and is His exclusive Holy Word. The book is called the living Word, because, rather than intellectually studying the translations, God told us that He will cause His Word to come iinto one universal language. The Holy Spirit is the Teacher, and the Bible must be studied in prayer and not in pride. If you are truly saved, you will uinderstand this. Unless we truly submit ourselves and believe that God is not the author of confusion, we have to ask ourselves Will God spit us out of His mouth, and say, Get thee away from me, for I never knew you? There is only one true bible and it is ordained by Holy God, and that is the 1611 KJV> There are numerics in it that no other pseudo bible has, for God gives us a code to preserve His true Word. Blog on to Mike Hoggard.com, and learn the code, and satisfy your soul. Also in the KJV read the last chapter and last three verses of the Book of Revelation, and see the curse put upon anyone who changes the Word in any way. Only go to the true scource, for we are in the very last minutes befor King Jesus comes.

      • HJD says:

        Anytime someone tells you they have the “Code’ Run far and run fast from them! Just ask Harold Camping!

        • Jordan48 says:

          In my many years of studying the Living Word of God, I have come to realize many truths! The natural man can read it over and over again and come away thinking that it is a “good book” full of fanciful stories and hard to accept in all parts.

          But the man who penitently seeks the truth, reading it prayerfully and in reverence to God, he is more than likely going to have his spiritual eyes opened and his deaf ears unstopped, by the revelation of the Holy Spirit!

          I speak to you all of Spiritual things, not carnal! For the Word of God is revealed to humble men who seek HIM with their whole heart, not the proud and hauty! The more you “eat” of His Word, the bread of life, the greater the revelation and maturity of the believer!

          If you say that you don’t want “that” or you don’t believe “this” is for the believer today, then God will not compell you to accept it. The Holy Ghost is a very polite and sensitive teacher of the Word of God! HE IS A PERFECT GENTLEMAN! If you deny that the gifts of the Spirit are not for the believer today, guess what…you wont get them! Not ONE!

          The deeper things of God are revealed to the believer as he grows in the Word and becomes deeper in his spiritual walk with our heavenly Father! Even though I speak with the tongues of angels more than you all, it is not I but the Holy Ghost who works within me to bring glory to my holy Lord and the author of our faith, Jesus Christ!

          For I am a bond servant, who rejoices in the Word of God, my Father! For there is no good thing that abides in my flesh! it is Christ, the Son of God, who bought me with a ransom and I prefer to know nothing but Christ crucified for the redemption of mans sins. It was at the Cross of my holy Lord that we all came to the knowledge of Him! Let us all look up and pray up, for the promise made unto our fathers and their fathers shall soon be revealed to the world of men. Truly, I say unto you all, that Christ, our savior shall return, even now He stands at the door, to gather unto Himself all that the Father has given unto Him. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad beloved, for the Wedding Supper of the Lamb is at hand!

          • Levi says:

            @Jordan48
            So true.
            Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

            For those who are outside it is like a good, moral story book but unto us, His children, it is a mystery of the Kingdom of God revealed. It fills us with such excitement and at the same time I feel so grateful to have this marvellous plan of God revealed to an unworthy soul like me.

            I know what you are talking about brother. God bless you.

        • Whenever someone tells you not to listen to someone else, see if it’s in the Bible and LISTEN TO IT, NOT EITHER OF THOSE MEN THAT CAN LIE. :)
          Here’s some scripture for King James Codes, not equidistant letter sequencing (spelling?):

          Here is wisdom. Let him that hath UNDERSTANDING COUNT the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (Rev. 13:18)
          Ecclesiastes 7:27 Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account: (Eccl. 7:27- the 666th chapter of the Bible)

          The King James Code is one of the best defences of the old King James Bible I’ve seen in almost a year. The first video is “Jesus Christ, DNA and the Holy Bible” by Pastor Mike Hoggard. Here’s the link:

          God bless anyone who holds to ye ol’ BOOKE,
          RYFTKOHIAH.WordPress.com

      • scott says:

        How is it ordained? Because it was the first english speaking Bible. What about the german Bible from Luther or the Latin Bible, or the Greek/Hebrew original Bible. Take a step further the Bible as a whole book started around 300 A.D. The Old Testament before Samuel was written down probably around King David’s time before that it was stories handed down by word of mouth for generations.

        The orginial 1611 KJV Bible ten commandments had one tiny misprint
        “Thou shall covet thy neighbor wife”. The word ‘not’ was accidently left out. Sorry all you KJV only people there are mistakes in the KJV of the Bible. Can you read Shakespeare? Shakespeare and KJV are written in the same language. Nothing wrong with KJV but do not let it become your idol.

        • Courtney says:

          It’s not even the first English Bible. The charter issued by King James for the committee to translate and compile the KJV included the king’s opinion that existing English translations were inaccurate and the Geneva (an English translation) was the worst, which was his reason for commanding that a new translation be made.

          http://www.av1611.org/kjv/kjvhist.html

      • Newlife says:

        Thank you, godwithme777,” for your inspired post. I “cut my teeth” on the KJB. It is my best friend and I love the fact that Holy Spirit is my teacher and guide. If we learn to quiet our own limited thinking, we can hear from God in His Word. I would suggest that those who think they know it all, humble themselves in the eyes of the Lord, ask forgiveness for hautiness, read His Word, Jesus, in quietness and hear the Lord saying “… be still and know that I am God.”

      • suez says:

        Amen and Amen godwithme777!!!! And three thumbs up for Pastor Mike Hoggard!!!!! To bad many more Christians can’t get his teachings on this. Maybe they would be better able to see the truth, and realize how the devil is once again, trying to corrupt the word of God, just as he has been, since the Garden of Eden!!!! Oh, and if anyone would want these teachings, you can send for them, and they will send them out FREE of charge!!! Listen to them, then make up your own mind!! But I’m sure you will see the truth!!! The King James is the word that God has protected for centuries!!! Praise God!!!

    • Jane C. says:

      I totally agree with your thoughts/comments RE: the KJV of the bible – it is a translation as well closer to the old english of the puritan days. That is not the original language obviously. I do believe this, God will protect His word – “it will go out and will not return void.” I believe He is very capable of protecting His word through various translations including and not limited to the KJV. I prefer the NKJV and NIV…and prayer, we definately need to be asking the Holy Spirit to direct our time spent with the Father in His holy word. These types of disagreements are not of the Lord–so we need to be careful in our own words, myself included! God bless you!

    • Will Kinney says:

      Yes, the word unicorn is correct and here is why:

      God bless,

      http://brandplucked.webs.com/unicorns.htm

      Will Kinney

    • Thank you. When the Lord found me back in 76, the KJV was my 1st bible. I currently use the NASB. When I 1st stared to find out about the ‘KJV-only’ movement (I don’t know what else to call it), I felt a red-flag in my spirit. The Lord showed me a nbr of things. Part of that was what you shared. It is a translation of a translation. And of course there is the battle over the ‘textus receptus’. But the 2 things that the Lord showed me were the bottom line for me. 1) Where is the love of God? If you believe the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob is going to deny people salvation b/c they didn’t read the KJV only, not only are you short-sighted, but you are under the law. Does Rom 10:9 read “If you confess w/your mouth the Lord Jesus, & believe in your heart that God raised Him up from the dead, IN THE KJV ONLY, you shall be saved?” Well, I’m sorry, But even in my KJV it does not say that. And 2) Jesus said “the HOLY SPIRIT will lead you into ALL truth.” Not the KJV. Unfortunately, you will have those who will remain stuck in their holes on this issue. They shorten the hand of the Lord, & the work of the Holy Spirit. And so I have one question to ask then: When God speaks to you, does He speak to you in the KJV only? If so, I do not think you are hearing the voice of God. When you translate into other languages, do you translate from the ORIGINAL Heb & Grk? Or from the KJV? If you said the KJV, you have issues w/the Holy Spirit. Does this mean all interpretations are perfect? No. But to say that the KJV is the ONLY ONE, well, that would mean Jesus was off then, b/c He didn’t have it, or use it. And as it is written, if you keep one part of the law you must keep the whole law. And no one except Jesus has done or ever will do that. But as Stuart Chase once said: “To those who believe, no proof is necessary. To those who don’t believe, no proof is possible.” In short, the Holy Spirit, NOT the KJV, leads me into all truth, as Jesus said. If you want to follow a bible, well, that is between you & the Lord, who said “do not put strange idols before Me.” And I have seen people put their bibles before them as if it were God, instead of focusing on God Himself. If you do not understand what I am saying here, pray for the Holy Spirit to reveal it to you. I remember when the disciples wanted to pray for fire from heaven to strike down those who weren’t walking with them, doing as they did. I will leave it to you to read Jesus response. Paul got it when he said “I have become ALL things to ALL men so that by ALL means I may win some.” And again, “There are those who preach the gospel out of spite, and those who preach it out of truth. But whether in truth or spite I thank God b/c the gospel is being preached!” God bless all of you. Please know that I still like my KJV, and it was the Holy Spirit who literally showed me what the archaic words meant. Albeit, “I would rather speak 5 words in a known tongue than a thousand words in an unknown tongue…” One more note. I have found that people who believe in the KJV-only movement also deny the work of the Holy Spirit in the gifts. They deny tongues (which, don’t get me wrong, have been abused today just as they were back in the church at Corinth), miracles, healings, etc. You can either remain blind to the work of the Holy Spirit, and come dangerously close to committing the unpardonable sin, or you can open your eyes & see the wondrous works which the Lord has done in areas like Africa, S America, etc. Do not shorten the hand of the Lord. Do you seek signs, or do you have to see a miracle to know they are happening? “Greater works than these will you do…” Finally, for the KJV only, if you are truly adherents to this teaching, then you must, I repeat, you MUST speak everything, every word out of your mouth, in KJV only. All your thoughts must be KJV only. Why? B/c “man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word which proceeds (oh, forgive me, proceedeth) from the mouth of God.” If you are claiming that the KJV is the only true interpretation of the bible, and it is God’s word, then you must speak only in KJV language, lest ye be found speaking some word which proceedeth not from the word of God. Good luck on that. Me? I prefer to hear the Holy Spirit’s interpretation. I’m sorry for sounding sarcastic. B/c honestly my heart aches for those brothers & sisters so caught up in the letter & missing the joy of the Lord, which is supposed to be our strength. If God is not big enough to know your heart, and understand what your reading if you read outside the KJV, then your god is not very big. I say this in hopes of spurring at least some of you unto love & good works. And actually I do like the KJV of that, “provoking” b/c the word in the orig grk implies digging a thumb under one’s armor into the ribs…rather provoking, irritating. I love you all. Jesus loves you all, and there is nothing you can do about it! Have a truly blessed day.

      • Yahunathan says:

        Thank you Doug! For taking the time to type up what I would have typed up.

      • Courtney says:

        There was a time, up until about 150 years ago, when some Christian groups in America spoke King James English all the time, for the very reasons you cited.

      • AWESOME WOG…If God created The Universe do these men not believe that God Thru the Holy Spirit Cannot oversee and intervine in the Translations of His Word…I myself was saved by The Gideons Version of the Bible, in a sleazy motel room. What a battle, however what The Father has Given to The Son Jesus/Yeshua NOONE can snatch out of His Hands.
        ALso The King James Bible has the Word Easter instead of Passover. Seeing That Passover was and still is A God Ordained Holy Day, i will continue no further. as was Jesus The Passover Lamb who was slain before The Foundations of The World. Jesus is The Only Way to The Father, not thru King James or any other man….I suggest all who want to continue in these petty disagreements, STOP and realize That Our God Is BIGGER than ALL of this. And that you who continue to argue these things are wasting precious time. The Holy Spirit is givin from God above not thru King James….Jesus IS The Way The Truth and The Life. There is no other….Hallelu YAH.

        • Russell Lee says:

          Your explanation of Easter has no merit. Easter was a pagan holiday celebrating sex. Symbols of fertility of that holiday are still used today, i.e. rabbits, eggs, etc. The KJV mentions Easter only once (vs 4):

          1 ¶ Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church.
          2 And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.
          3 And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.)
          4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
          (Acts 12)

          Do you really believe that King Herod was a Christian celebrating the Passover? Look at his crimes in the leading verses. If you still really believe Herod was a Christian celebrating Passover, please stay from me and my family.

          • Are we to say that he was a Christian at all? I mean, Herod was killing Christians. Why should we assume he was celebrating Easter? If you are going to believe that Herod was a Christian celebrating Easter, then please stay away from me and my family.

            The use of the word PASCA is in reference to time. Herod was trying to make the Jews happy. He attended Passover because it was good for his political career. And because it was passe to execute people during Passover, he would not make what he would think was a political blunder by executing Christians during Passover.

            Just because the word PASCA is used in the vicinity of Herod, doesn’t mean it should be translated differently. You’re going to need a lot more convincing arguments for that

  3. Well Bro. John, I have to whole heartedly disagree with you. God is the Word. If you can’t grasp that, then you will not see that changing just one word is what brought sin and death into the world in the beginning.
    God told Adam and Eve that if they eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, “that thou shall surely die” Satan had the serpent say ” thou shall NOT surely die”. Before that, Eve made the mistake of adding to God’s Word by saying “ye shall not eat of it, NEITHER SHALL YE TOUCH IT…” God never said
    don’t touch it, He just said don’t eat of it’s fruit. Then Satan had her. Just changing one Word brought every war, murder. rape. perversion, dead baby, fumeral, etc… that we have today. Jesus said that not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law…God split man’s language into many at the tower of Babel. He has the power to preserve it in English. The translating techniques were extra-ordinary. The men picked to do it knew Hebrew and Greek better than any of our scholars of higher critical thinking. The main thing in common that the other Bibles have is they use MSS. based off the Alexandrian corruptions of Vaticanus and Siniaiticus.
    Westcott and Hort attended seances, liked the works of Darwin and Marx. One of them liked Mary worship. They despised the Textus Receptus which is made up of roughly 5000 MSS. preserved and copied down from the Antioch area where the Christians first started preserving them. The Hebrew MSS. text has strict mathematical formula and rules for how many each letter is in each of the book.
    You contradicted yourself when you say that the King James is poorly translated in some areas, but then you say you trust it completely. That can’t be. The other Bibles literally are different Bibles and say different things. The other bibles call Jesus the only son of God, or the only one, etc. The true Bible and the actual true text call Him the only Begotten Son of God. Literally meaning from out of His own self. Not saying you can’t be saved reading another bible, but you can truly, easily be mislead later and believe a lie if you don’t get away from those false bibles. I see way to many people that use the other Bibles and they have a poor understanding of what God says. In many cases they believe the exact opposite. Jesus says that whosoever is angry at his brother WITHOUT A CAUSE, is in danger of judgment. The other bibles say that whosoever is angry is in danger of judgment. There are thousands more. The other bibles have two things in common. they are corrupt, and they disagree with the King James on practically every issue.

    By the way, according to you definition, none of us have the “original word of God”. Once again, denying God’s power to preserve and to protect, and to hand down a perfect translation to the believer. All the “original autographs” are gone. One that Jeremiah wrote was cut up by a king and tossed into a fire. Then a second copy that God had written was read to the king then tossed into the river. yet we have what God said on both of those. But according to you statements, we don’t. It is either perfect, or you can throw all of the bibles in the trash as just a work of man. Because if they are not perfect, then God did not keep His Word. If He is powerless to preserve His Word, then He is powerless to get us out Hell.

    • Frank says:

      In all of this “debate” we’re having doesn’t it seem that we are exalting a translation rather than the Triune God? I think we are when we exalt the KJV–yes, the KJV had many flaws in it; one being that it called the Holy Spirit “itself”–for that matter (and I occasionally read the KJV), why didn’t the Puritans and Pilgrims use the KJV but opted for the Geneva Bible instead?

      • Agree brother. I mentioned that in another remark. The KJV has become an idol to those who, altho they ay not recognize it, are worshiping it, denying the very power of the Holy Spirit to lead us into ALL truth. If God can’t speak to us except thru the KJV, then, to quote a little out of context “we of all men are most miserable.” I like my KJV, and the Holy Spirit helped me to understand the archaic words. But God does not speak to me in KJV, and I don’t expect God to be limited by a translation. Otherwise I am limiting Him period.

        • Russell Lee says:

          Several of you are boneheads when it comes to God’s Word. Many of you are totally missing the mark when it comes to the KJV. It has absolutely nothing to do with idolizing it and everything to do with believing its purity.

          6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
          7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
          (Psalm 12)

          So what that the KJV is not the original? God didn’t intend it to be the original when He purified it through seven levels of translations.

          Still want to cling to the perversions of God’s Word? There are very very few translations of the Bible that are NOT copyrighted. What does a copyright mean? A copyright gives the author legal protection of his private interpretation for commercial profit. While study aids and other notes of interest may be copyrighted (which are not part of the Bible), the KJV is NOT copyrighted nor can it be. It was financed by public monies for the public’s use. There is no commercial benefit to it.

          20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
          (2Peter 1)

          This is the only time the word “private” is mentioned in God’s Word: in connection with the interpretation of Scriptures.

          17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
          (2Corinthians 2)

          I fully believe that the KJV is the word of God and the Holy Spirit has shown me many wondrous understandings of it, as God meant it to be, because of my faith in it.

          17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
          (Romans 10)

          Nothing further needs to be said except that those of you who have thought yourselves to be wise in honoring the corruptions of God’s Word: you need to repent of your error and get right with God.

          18 ¶ Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
          19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
          20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
          (1Corinthians 3)

          • 1. Let no man deceive himself into thinking that something that wasn’t written by the Apostles directly is perfect.

            2. The Catholics were wrong to require people to pray and read Scripture in Latin because it wasn’t what they spoke, In the same way, it is wrong to require people to use the KJV, because there ain’t a person in the English speaking world that uses that vernacular of English.

            3. Unless God Himself says that the KJV is perfect, dropping down a copy of the 1611 KJV from the sky in a shining light for all people to see, record, and post on YouTube, then you have no evidence. I don’t recall God saying the KJV is perfect.

            4. Copyright laws in the United States of America REQUIRE that all literary works be copyrighted prior to the publishing, as of the 1950’s. Most non-study Bibles (meaning translation alone without commentary) are published under what is called “Public Domain” Copyrights. This means that a person can use any length of a passage of Scripture, so long as the version is cited. In that manner, all KJV Bibles currently hold copyrights:

            My personal KJV holds the following line at the end: Copyright (C) 1970, 1983, 1987 by Thomas Nelson, Inc., Nashville Tennessee.

            Don’t fool yourself into thinking that the KJV is free to copy and reproduce. The only reason it is so is because someone is paying for printing, publishing, and distribution, which runs upwards of millions of dollars, given the current production by the Gideons and other 501c3 companies producing copies of the KJV. However, most, if not all, translations are given for free to people without commentaries.

            What gets to me is the inherent hypocrisy of this stance. You would pay 80 or more dollars for a study Bible, but you whine when you, a Christian, would be required to pay a measly 10 dollars for a copy of Scripture? Are the commentaries of modern fallible men worth more than the words and teachings of Christ and His Apostles and Prophets? It’s easy enough for a homeless man to get his hands on an NIV or NASB for free. and, honestly, the NASB is a much more literal translation than the KJV could ever hope to be.

            5. To state that the KJV is perfect is to idolize Scripture, because only God is perfect. If the KJV were perfect, then it would be God. The KJV is the work of men, nothing more, nothing less. It is a high quality translation of the Scriptures into a language which is no longer spoken (when was the last time someone said “thou” outside of reading ancient literature?).

            Using the KJV as Scripture is about as useful today as using the Latin Vulgate. The language is dead, and only those with a college education possess the vocabulary, syntactical knowledge, and cultural knowledge to understand the subtle nuances within it. Granted, I am one of those people, and regularly read from the KJV in my devotions. However, I would be a great fool to ignore the words of the KJV translators themselves:

            Indeed without translation into the vulgar tongue, the unlearned are but like children at Jacob’s well (which is deep) [John 4:11] without a bucket or something to draw with; or as that person mentioned by Isaiah, to whom when a sealed book was delivered, with this motion, “Read this, I pray thee,” he was fain to make this answer, “I cannot, for it is sealed.” [Isa 29:11]

            And guess what. The KJV Translators altered their translations several times, in that they included alternate translation possibilities in the margins of the 1611 KJV, a copy of which I happen to have access to.

            they even said

            Yet before we end, we must answer a third cavil and objection of theirs against us, for altering and amending our Translations so oft; wherein truly they deal hardly, and strangely with us. For to whomever was it imputed for a fault (by such as were wise) to go over that which he had done, and to amend it where he saw cause?

            Why would they need to defend alterations that they made? If they were inspired and superintended by God, they would have made no mistakes, no errors. No need of alteration or translational variances in their notations would be required. Nay, they would only need to include their translation. But there were other possibilities available.

            Examples of lines that could be interpreted more properly:

            Theopnuestos. In II Timothy 3:16, the term Theopnuestos is translated in two ways. In the KJV, it is translated “Given by inspiration of God.” In the other versions, it is translated “God-breathed” or “breathed by God”.

            On the face, there is a huge difference. However, the word itself is the hint. Theos is the Greek word for God, and pnuestos, or more closely, Pnue, is the Greek word for breath. Pnuestos means “to breathe out”. So to put them together, it is saying that Scripture is literally the very breath of God Himself. It’s only a hop, skip, and a jump from there to the idea of inspiration. However, in relation to breathing, inspiration is to breathe IN, while Pnuestos means to breathe OUT. The technical medical term is properly “Expiration.” However, in the KJV, it is mistranslated. Instead of saying He breathed out Scripture, we teach that He breathed it into Himself.

            This, among many others, is a foolish interpretation of Scripture, and I would never use it myself as a professional translator (American Sign Language).

            The KJV is riddled with problems, including the fact that my grandchildren will most likely be unable to even come close to reading it, and most people in this world wouldn’t be able to read it, and never will.

            So what? Follow in the footsteps in the Catholics and claim that some random translation of Scripture is perfect? Or stick with the early Church, always translating Scripture into the vernacular?

            I think I’ll stick with the Martyrs Justin and Ignatius.

      • Yahunathan says:

        Speaking of the trinity doctrine and “the Triune God”, I would like to mention that it is a false one. The Father of the Son and all of us is YHUH, the ONLY TRUE ELOHIM.

        1 John 5:7 is not in any early manuscripts yet it the foundational verse for belief in the trinity doctrine. Without it, the Holy SPirit is no longer a person and is more accurately discribed as “itself”, for the Holy Spirit that proceeds from the Father of all Spirits is of Himself. It is the Holy Father’s Spirit.

        Combine this fact with other scriptures like John 17:3, 2 John 1:3, 2 Peter 1:1-2,2 Cor. 11:31, etc etc.. we have a basis for truth. The Father is the eternal and invisible Elohim (God) YHUH and His Son is YHUHSHA, our eldest brother and mediator. I know you won’t find any of this YHUH wording in the KJV because it has replaced the name with a title, the LORD. Those who adhere to a sole translation of the scriptures risk being totally blinded and deceived, putting the pride of man (and his translational skills) on high. The reason the Father allows there to be no absolute truth in any one translation (since the original manuscripts remain elusive to this day) is so that He can remain the Source of all truth, revealed to us by His Spirit (Himself) which is given by measure according to the will of His Son, who sits at His right hand on His throne and to whom all power and authority has been given until all his enemies become a footstool, at which point the Son will return all back to the Father, our eternal Father and King/Elohim(God)/etc.

        The truth is out there and His Spirit will guide us to it, if we remain meek and humble. May our Father’s Spirit and His Son reveal it to whoever seeks them.

        • Courtney says:

          Apparently you do not speak Hebrew. Deuteronomy 6:4 in Hebrew is שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ יְהוָה אֶחָד – Sh’ma Yisra’el YHWH Eloheinu YHWH Eḥad. The word Ehad (also spelled “echad”) is one of three Hebrew words that can be translated “one.” The other two “yachid” and “bad.” The difference is that “yachid” or “bad” might be confused as saying that there is only one God or that he is first among gods. The word Echad is different in that it states that there is one united being that exists as God, but that he has more than one part (i.e. the trinity). The best example I can think of for using the word “one” in this way in English is when we say the United States is “one nation” even though it is made up of fifty states.

          As for references to the trinity in the KJV, what about the first chapter of John? Verse 1: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Verse 14: “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” The first verse asserts that the Word WAS God, the fourteenth says the Word and the Son are the same, so the Word, the Son, and God, are all the same being. Hence, the first chapter of John, in the KJV, supports the doctrine of the trinity.

    • Well sir, the problem with saying that the KJV is perfect is, that there are a number of books, for instance, Iddo the seer, that are missing. Therefore, the KJV cannot, nor can any other translation be, complete and perfect. I am sure you have your pat responses to these remarks. But the bottom line is, as I said in another reply, that Rom 10:9 does not say “If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, & believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, IN THE KJV ONLY, you shall be saved.” And Jesus told us “the Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth”. not the KJV. And argue as you may, the textus receptus has plenty of errors. But what you are saying, is that those who have called upon the Lord, those who have asked the Holy Spirit to guide them as they did their translations, are heathen. That the Holy Spirit did not guide them. Therefore you are calling them liars. My heart goes out to your sir, and I don’t take lightly God’s word. But I know that “wisdom from above is 1st pure, then peaceable, gentle, compliant, full of mercy and good fruits, w/o favoritism and hypocrisy.” If I am trusting the KJV, I am not trusting the Lord. I pray for wisdom from God, not the KJV. When God speaks to you, does He speak to you in King James only? If you say yes, then I think you have some other issues to clear up 1st, b/c God is not the author of confusion. Likewise sir, if you believe that the KJV is the only true version, then you must only speak it, in everything you say, b/c you are only supposed to speak what God tells you, and if He speaks to you in KJV only, then your whole life must speak KJV only. I’m sorry, but God doesn’t speak in KJV only. Maybe He does to you. I can’t really say He doesn’t as that is between you & Him, and maybe the only way you’d listen to Him is if He spoke, out of love for you, in the KJV only, until such time as you were able to handle meat. We can go back & forth all day, neither convincing the other. But as many have come to realize, it IS the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit alone, who leads us into ALL truth. Not the KJV.

  4. Mandy says:

    The scriptures were not written in English. How can any translation therefore be revered as God’s actual words?

    • April says:

      As Brian said, God is in control and will not let His word be tampered with. Do you seriously think God will just stand by and allow people to change his word, and not give us the whole truth? What kind of god to you serve? If we cannot trust God’s word, then there is no point in being Christian. Most of us got saved because of God’s word.

      • Russell Lee says:

        God does stand by and your faith is tested. From the very beginning God’s Word was changed, as when the serpent and Eve both changed it. From that time to now, fallen men have continued to change God’s Word. You need to study God’s Word more.

        6 ¶ I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
        7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
        (Galatians 1)

    • Dr. Don says:

      God spoke in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Egyptian and every language there was. He speaks today to those who speak English in English so we understand His words. But really, He speaks into our spirit because He is Spirit, and we place the words in our own language. God has no one language, but all languages are at His disposal.

  5. I’m new at this but I understood the bible as written by man but inspired by God. So with my relationship with God, I believe that He will give me the words that I need to follow in His way of life. I am a sinner but will try to do what is right with prayer and reading which ever bible I may have at the time. God bless you all.

    • Praise God for bringing you into His family. Listen to the Holy Spirit. He will confirm things in your spirit. Welcome. I know this was a year ago but I just found this. Don’t know if you will get this or not. But again, welcome!

  6. Jerry says:

    What about the Tyndale translation of the New Testament and part of the old? In the NT he translated “Eklesia” as Congregation or assembly where appropriate, while in the 1611 KJV the word “Eklesia” is transliterated as “church”. Why is that? Eklesia is closest to the Hebrew term used in the OT for congregation and assembly, referring to the people, while church refers to a building or physical location of worship.

    • April says:

      KJV translated it correctly. congregation or assembly is the church, not the building. The body of believers locally or worldwide is called the church. The name was attached to the building, but that is not what the bible intended. And, bibles must be translated according to vernaculars, etc, without being diminished. If one depends on the Holy Spirit for guidance, wisdom and understanding, one would not care for the languages that the apostles, et al, wrote in, and would understand the bible/the things of God.

      • Courtney says:

        This is true. In the book of Acts, the “church” is described as meeting in peoples homes or in Jewish synagogues (that must have been a little strange). We know from history that some churches in Greece met in temples to Greek gods for lack of another “public” place to congregate. In the Middle Ages, “the Church” referred either collectively to all Catholics or to the Holy Roman Empire (i.e. the Vatican). The buildings were cathedrals, chapels, abbeys, monasteries, etc. The idea of the church as a single building is new within the past thousand years.

    • Russell Lee says:

      Church is man’s idea of a physical location or building. The Scriptures don’t bear that out. The church is an “assembly” or a “congregation.” No problem here. The church has also been called a “living body” as well. It is not unusual to have several words that define each other in English.

      • Correct, the Church is not a physical location. However, neither is the Church some nebulous group of people broadly defined as “all of the followers of Christ.” The Church is defined as “All people who truly believe in Christ as He is; follow His commandments; teach the same Doctrine about God, Christ, and His salvation; and commune together in the same belief.”

        As Scripture said:

        John 14:15
        If ye love me, keep my commandments.
        Ephesians 4:4
        There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

        There is only one Church. It is not bound up in a place. It is bound up in one truth. That Church is the Pillar and Ground of the Truth (I Timothy 3:15). As it is the Pillar of Truth, we should build our lives around it. As it is the Ground of Truth, we should build our lives upon it. And as Christ is its Head, we should live upon and around it by remaining under Christ.

  7. godwithme777 says:

    WELL SAID BRIAN C.! Itis so sad to see and hear the negative and opinionated comments on the Bible, and scripture, when spoken in ignorance. Keep doing what you do, for you are God’s servant, and new believers and scoffers may see the light…Lord bless you.

  8. John says:

    I’m no theologian, but my pastor says that the KJV is the most wrought with errors and that the NIV is one on the most accurate. The simple reason for this is that the earliest manuscripts were not discovered until 1947, therefore, how can a Bible translated in 1611 ever be considered accurate? It may be the oldest ENGLISH translation of the Bible that we have, but the oldest surviving manuscripts of the Bible in the ORIGINAL language were not discovered until 1947.

    It’s poetic, yes, and it is certainly a beloved translation, and God has the power to do all things, especially preserving His Word on this earth. However, I believe that you would do well in your study of the Bible to look at different translations to help you understand better what God is trying to say to you. A very good place for this is youversion.com, it has multiple translations of the Bible, some even in different languages.

    Also, something to consider, nearly all translations of the New Testament work from a Konea Greek translation, however the original was written in Aramaic. You would do well to look for a direct translation from Aramaic to English version of the Bible, they are available on Amazon. It clears up a few typos in the text such as “camel through the eye of a needle”. Camel and rope are very similar in Aramaic, and whoever was translating it to Greek could certainly not be faulted for this error as only a native speaker could tell the difference. Rope through the eye of a needle makes more sense and is what was actually said by Jesus. Just some thoughts.

    Grace and Peace to you all from our Lord Jesus,

    John

    • Wayde says:

      John… so you say the NIV is the most accurate. Then answer these questions from your NIV.
      1. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast out this type of demon?
      2. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?
      3. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate’s first name?
      4. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, they were fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew 27:35 from the NIV.
      5. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast out demons and to_________________
      6. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to hear?
      7. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?
      8. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According to this verse, what did He come to do?
      9. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?
      10. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languaes was the superscription written?
      11. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?
      12. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ. According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?
      13. What happened each year as told in John 5:4?
      14. In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?
      15. What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?
      16. Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34?
      17. Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV
      18. First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament concerning the deity of Christ. In this verse, who was manifested in the flesh?
      19. Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in 1 John 5:7
      20. Revelation 1:11 is another very important verse that proves the deity of Christ. In the first part of this verse Jesus said,”I am the A________and O__________, the______________ and the ___________:”

      Conclusion: If you followed the instructions above, you failed the test.
      John these are all missing in the NIV. So now what do you think of your “accurate, easy to understand, up to date Bible?”
      If you would like to improve your score, and in fact score 100%, you can take this test using the Authorized (King James) Bible!
      Remember what scripture says…
      Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
      Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

      Be Blessed

      • Son of Adam says:

        John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

        So you’re telling me that any translation of the Bible that is not the “Authorized King James Bible” is false, misleading, and thus a product of the Father of Lies? (It’s funny to think the only “authorized” version of The Word is in a language never spoken by anyone in the Bible.) If you claim other translations are inaccurate and mislead people, then The Word (God) is also partly Satan?

        The fact is that if you can debate the relative accuracy of any translation of the Bible, you are offering up the idea that the Word is corruptible, and thus God is corruptible.

        Can you not see the pride? MY version’s more accurate than YOUR version. You’re being led astray because I have a better Bible than you do. Who needs to debate the accuracy of The Word when one of the seven deadlies is present and accounted for right here and now?

        It doesn’t matter which translation you use for Luke 6:42 to ascertain that you’ve completely missed the point of it.

        This is a black or white issue. Either all translations are viable or all are suspect. God held the pen for none of them. The Roman Catholic church predates King James by over a thousand years. The Catholic church uses a different text than Protestants. The Gutenberg Bible, the first ever printed, predates the 1611 KJV by over 150 years. The list of variations and differences is virtually endless. Arguing about who has the better, more accurate, only inspired version is prideful.

        Matt 15:14 Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.

        • Midwest Bob says:

          No translatiion from one language to another is perfect. While the truth of God’s word may still shine through in some translations, it may not in others. Many older translations may have minor imperfections but so long as those translation errors do not change the message they can still be viable translations. Some translations actually pervert the truth of the Scriptures and those should be avoided.

          2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

          It is in our best interest to study the different translations and determine how they came into existence and which is correct and which are in error. An excellent book that demonstrates the error being promoted by many of the newer versions is “New Age Bible Versions” by Gail Riplinger. What you may discover about some newer versions may result in one rethinking their position on this subject. I know it changed mine and as a result I prefer the older translations like the KJV or the Geneva Bible (even if the spelling and old english make it difficult to read)

          • Jordan48 says:

            The Word of God is not given for one mans personal interpretation! When a believer come to Christ, he or she should stay steadfast in the reading of the Word of God many times daily, meditating upon the Word. It IS THE HOLY GHOST who provides the REVELATION of Christ in the Word! “For the natural man discerneth not the things of God, for they are Spiritually discerned.” That is why, when the believer fails to read by and through the revelation of the Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit) they err in their understanding of the holy text.

            IT IS THE HOLY GHOST that reveals Gods truth! The deep mysteries of God. Satan knows the holy scriptures, but he lacks the revelation of the Holy Spirit in gaining understanding!

            As a bond servant to my Holy Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, to whom belongs all the praise and glory, came to the revelation of the living Word of God by study in the 1611 version of the King James Bible! That is exactly why I will not accept any other version of the Word of God!

            Yes, the KJ version is written in the Old Kings English, which for many seems difficult to read and understand. I was not schooled above the 12th grade! I was never a student of any seminary or theological school, but was taught by the Holy Ghost through HIS revelation of the Word of God! When I asked my holy Lord if I should attend a Theological School or a Seminary, His answer to me was: “Am I not the author of your faith, I will teach you all that you need to know!” IS it not written: “God uses the foolish things of men to confound the wise”? And in another place: “The wisdom of God is foolishness to men.”

            First of all, you must read the Word of God with humility, contriteness of spirit, and with a prayerful and reverent heart! That is of paramount importance! ALWAYS: Pray for understanding before you “eat” of the Bread of Life! For is it not written: In the begining was the Word! And the Word was with God! And the Word was God! Later in the 14th verse, it says that the Word became Flesh. (John 1:1, 14)

            The Holy Ghost clearly declared to me that the Holy Bible is a LIVING spiritual entity! His term was exactly: “My Word is a Living thing.” It is food for the SOUL! Why do so many of Gods people fail to read it daily? Why do they fail to medicate upon the Word of God day and night?

            I will not declare that the newer translations are wrong. I will declare that the Almighty God and redeemer of my soul, revealed Himself to me by power and wonders in my study of the 1611 King James version of the Holy Bible! I grew to be able to recite exact text, quoting Chapter and Verse without the slightest hesitation!

            Beloved children, pray that the Author of our faith, grants you a “spiritual hunger” for the infallible and inerrant Living Word of God! Do not become discouraged, for that hope and faith that abides within you is of the Holy Ghost! Press in with your whole heart, with all of your strength, with all of your might, for our heavenly Father is faithful to give you whatsoever you ask of Him! If He is not foremost in your life, above all other desires, how will you know what to ask little ones?

        • Wayde says:

          @Son of Adam…you said,”So you’re telling me that any translation of the Bible that is not the “Authorized King James Bible” is false, misleading, and thus a product of the Father of Lies? (It’s funny to think the only “authorized” version of The Word is in a language never spoken by anyone in the Bible.) If you claim other translations are inaccurate and mislead people, then The Word (God) is also partly Satan?”
          I never said that. These are your words and not mine.
          My comment is about the NIV and not other versions. And my comment is about the fallacies that are in the NIV. Read the post brother!
          Then you accuse me of being prideful and being led astray?
          I have many versions of the Holy Bible, the American Standard Bible, the Contempary English Version, the English Standard Version, the International Standard Version, the Literal Translation of the Holy Bible, the NIV, and the King James Version, to name a few.
          When I find scripture that is hard for me to understand I search other versions as some have a better interpertations than others. Even though the King James version is my personal favorite.

          Now I have a question for you… Are you Johns Pastor?

          Be Blessed

      • Jimbo says:

        Amen!These other translations such as the NIV omit and add to the Word if god.KJV is the only trustworthy translation.

    • April says:

      Why can’t people realize that God does not set people up for failure?! If it were true that the NIV is the most accurate because of the scroll used, God would have made sure and guided King James’ people to find that scroll and pattern the KJV after it! He is not evil to just sit there and allow a supposed inaccurate manuscript to be used by Christians for 400 years! That would be setting us up for failure. KJV is the most accurate and the only one inspired by God. The other bibles were made in an effort to conform and compromise to increase numbers and give people what they wanted to hear. Read about the ecumenical movement and you would understand. They go out of their way to discredit KJV, when it was the ONLY bible to lead millions of people to Christ AND they were closer to God because they depended on him instead of commentaries, studying Greek, taking the pastor’s word for it, etc. Before, Christians believed, were bold and strong. Now, Christians are weak and full of fear and doubt because the new bibles condition everyone to leave the Holy Spirit out of the equation. He is the only source we are to run to for guidance and understanding, not anyone or anything else! And, no human should try to ‘understand’ something for us, ie thought for thought translation!

  9. John says:

    Something else, you said “Jesus says that whosoever is angry at his brother WITHOUT A CAUSE, is in danger of judgment. The other bibles say that whosoever is angry is in danger of judgment.”

    Let me ask you this, does God not have a cause to be angry with us? God has more cause to be angry with us than anyone has to be angry with his brother/neighbor!! Therefore, I find this statement particularly concerning, because it should not matter whether we have reason to be angry or not, because we are to forgive as we have been forgiven. Think back to the parable of the man who owed a debt that he could not repay in a thousand lifetimes and the king forgave that debt, then the man went out and threw a man in jail for only a thousandth of a percent of what he had just been forgiven of; would Jesus tell this parable then later say “Oh, but if you have a cause to be angry with your brother then you are ok.”? I think not!!

    We have been forgiven of a debt which we could NEVER repay, therefore we should forgive all men of whatever wrong they have done to us. I would examine your doctrine, as it does not sound Spiritual to me.

    • April says:

      If a person does wrong to you, you have a right to be angry, but you must not sin (ie, hate them or refuse to forgive them). Eventually, you must let things go and leave things to God, try to reconcile with the person, etc. Being angry at someone isn’t a sin. Being angry at them for the wrong reasons is sin. Reasons include them being the wrong color, them not doing things according to your will, etc. The irony is that the parable you mentioned is speaking for the aforementioned and proves that being angry against your brother for the wrong reason is sin.

  10. I got saved 40 years ago reading a Living Bible, a paraphrase. After I’d read it several times I got a KJV Scofield Reference Bible which I study all the time, I also have an Amplified that I love to just read, and Nelson’s NKJV that I also study with. I have bible software that I use to study from and several other books like Strong’s, Vine’s and many others that I use to go to the Greek and Hebrew for important key words. If one knows the Lord Jesus Christ and studies many versions I don’t think you can go far wrong. God is sovereign. If he can preserve his word he can lead his own in the truth who sincerely are seeking him. As a side note I do prefer the KJV and HATE the NIV…..

  11. This believing only the KJV is correct interpretation is racist against all languages of the world and even todays common English. When the KJV is translated into Spanish or and foreign language it is no longer the KJV and to say their language Bible is no good is foolish and immature. You would say that everyone would have to learn Old World English to be able to read the KJV because its the only correct version. Jesus did not talk in any kind of English and you say His language He spoke is no good? Fools.

    • April says:

      I never learned old English. When I was 11, KJV was hard for me to understand. I asked my mother wht to do and she told me to ask God for wisdom and understanding, with faith. I did and the Holy Spirit gave me the ability to understand KJV and deep spiritual meanings and truths. I am now 23, and I still never learned old English, do not care for Greek or Hebrew, do not read commentaries, dictionaries, etc. But, I understand KJV as if I have a degree in that form of English and am a mature Christian. That’s what happens when someone depends on the Holy Spirit instead of themselves and other humans. And that’s why KJV is the best, due to it being literal and leaves it up to the Holy Spirit to interpret the word for you, regardless of the language used. When it is put into foreign languages, it is still KJV.

      • Yahunathan says:

        Aw man, I’m not a fan of getting into the conversation a year or more after the fact. Oh well, here goes!

        April, first off I would like to ask you why you consider yourself a “mature christian”. According to whom, and in contrast to whom? Are we not all CHILDREN, needing always to be further pruned to bear more fruit?

        Let me ask you this: BY WHAT NAME ARE WE SAVED? (Acts 4) I can GUARANTEE you it’s not Jesus (Gee-zus), as our modern day English Rendition of the Old English KJV would have us believe. Perhaps you should care for Greek, and much more so for Hebrew, since that was the world that the Son endured. Do you understand the importance of names in Hebrew, especially in stark contrast to our modern day english names?

        To believe that Satan is incapable of twisting the Holy Scriptures after thousands of years (how long do you think it took him to twist the Father’s words in the Garden of Eden?) is to be deceived. Of course the Father could have perfectly retained His Holy Scriptures, but wouldn’t that defeat the whole glorious pursuit of seeking him with our whole hearts? He wants to lead us out of deception. Won’t happen though until we are ready to be truly humbled and humiliated (trust me on this one!).

        Your fellow brother,
        Yahunathan (the Hebrew name of the modern English Jonathan, meaning YHWH gave/given)

  12. Lucy says:

    I think the only way read a bible that is closest to the real actual translation is the Complete Jewish Bible. The Old Testament has its original Hebrew and the New Testament is in the original Greek. That’s the closest you can get.

  13. Mrs. Runkel says:

    I agree with #’s 12,13, and 14, and with John’s statements. ‘I started with the Living Bible and felt God’s presence all around me. I have an Amplified which, because original aramaaic and Greek are more colorful languages, and use more words to describe something, helps me. I also have a Dakes King James Bible, The Message, New King James, and ISV. God speaks to my heart through ALL of them at different times.

    • April says:

      God speaks through everything, good or bad. That doesn’t mean that modern versions are not satanic. Because God is merciful, he meets us where we are. But, he warns us of any evil we hold onto and we have to choose to listen to him and let go of the evil. The fallacy here is that you think all versions are good because God speaks through them. You don’t realize that he speaks through truth no matter where it is. Meaning, if something satanic hold some truth, God speaks through the truth. That doesn’t make the satanic thing godly.

  14. I like the King James Version than any other version of the Bible, because there are some words in it that you can’t find in the newest version of the Bile.. some of the text is not really accurate if you look at it in the original text of the Manuscripts. the new versions elated some of the precious words in it.. after all Jesus said.. but by every word.. so every word must cone boldly true and correct in the word of God. like for example the verse in I John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. in other version no record of this kind. so I still wanted the KJV .

  15. I read the New King James, which basically just takes the language of the regular king James and uses YOU instead of thou, or Ye, but is still pretty much the same. And I’m listening to Word of Promise Bible (NKJV) with Michael York as Narrator and a cast of super talented actors in the roles of best known heroes of the Bible.

    For BEST results, though, I recommend you read as you listen! It’ll help the story stick in there.

  16. tom weatherford says:

    I have and read (study) from KJV and its tough to understand some of it. I just read it and ask god the father to help me understand. Jesus is my lord and savior.

    • April says:

      I applaud you. We will never fully understand God’s word and are not supposed to understand everything at once and as deeply as possible. The Holy Spirit knows when we are ready to either hear about a new topic, go deeper in a known topic, or both. Christians are being conditioned these days to brush the Holy Spirit aside and try to do the above on their own, not knowing what is best for them. And that is how Satan is causing the Church to fall away from God.

      • Wayde says:

        @April…great fruit! For a person of your age to have such great understanding and wisdom is truly a blessing and gift from the Lord!!! For scripture says,
        Pro 31:10 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.
        Be Blessed

  17. Midwest Bob says:

    For those who believe the newer translations are better English translations then the KJV may I suggest the book “New Age Bible Versions” by Gail Riplinger. A fascinating book that clearly demonstrates that the KJV is without a doubt the best available English translation.

  18. The Truth says:

    your all barking mad!!! god told me!!!

  19. Robert says:

    You KJVO’s really need to get a grip and repent of your sin of idolatry. You’ve created an idol out of a Bible translation. Good grief. Here you create just another topic to cause unnecessary division in the church. As if the church today doesn’t have enough to worry about with attacks on Christ’s deity, the Trinity etc. And here you argue about a translation that isn’t even the most accurate. The ESV and NASB are much more accurate because they used much earlier manuscripts. And what do you do with all the people saved between the time of the Apostles and 1610? They really weren’t Christian’s because they used a Geneva Bible??

    • April says:

      The sad thing is that you don’t realize that your statements are a combination of projection and displacement. Do you hear yourself? The bible is God’s word, ie an extension of himself. Worshiping God means to worship his word! The word is God and God is the word! So, we worship his Word, not a translation. Because the KJV was the only recent version inspired by the Holy Spirit, people are finding excuses to reject it. As stated before, the newer bibles are not accurate and the scrolls they use were rejected by the Church for centuries. And, if what you’re claiming is true, God would have had King James’ people use these so-called better scrolls. The division in the church resulted from people ignoring the truth, and increased when these newer versions became popular! The Church these days is akin to the Corinthian church. It mixes atheism, Greek mythology, false denominational doctrines and human opinions and deceit in the guise of Christianity. If people open their eyes, they would easily see the how much Satan is using Christians to bring down the Church! If you have a strong biblical foundation, you cannot be brought down. But, you must have the truth in order to have a strong foundation. These newer bibles have partial truth and are unstable foundations. There is only one truth. You forget that God gladly divides the sheep from the goats so only the faithful will be left! In other words, division is good when it causes people to go closer to God! Also, the word was orally given for decades until the first book was made after the 1st century.The KJV replaced the Geneva bible because God wants his word to be exact with no tampering! The Geneva bible was Calvinistic and Puritan! Only some, familiar people would get saved from such a bible. The KJV is more effective because it has no bias and can reach out to anyone in the world. The KJV got a lot more people saved under it than all other versions! It’s the only recent version to make people strong in Christ! I could careless for KJV as a translation! I only care for translations that only stick to the truth. I am not a KJV only advocate. I am a Truth Only advocate. Since KJV is the only version we have that sticks to the truth, I’m for it. I will also support any other translation that will stick to only the truth, if that ever happens.

      • April, many of the scrolls which you said the church (I am assuming by church you are referring to the church involved w/the KJV) rejected for centuries were not available to them. And you only support Robert’s statement of worshiping the bible…in particular, the KJV. I ask you this, and all the KJVO’s this question. If you were on a deserted island, w/no one else, no radio, no tv, no people, no churches, no books…NO BIBLE, 1) would your God be able to speak to you and 2) would He speak to you in KJV only? And how would you know God was speaking to you? Are we not all judging one another, myself included, when we start defending a version versus the gospel? I don’t know about you, but I trust my God to speak to me clearly, and He doesn’t speak to me in KJV only, and the orig Greek for anyone’s concern that was used, was everyday, common man’s Greek, not the “King’s Greek” if there was such a thing. And even the KJV does not say “If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, & believe in your heart…IN THE KJV ONLY, you shall be saved.” Sorry. But I think our God is a bit above that, & is able to speak to anyone who uses any version, b/c if they are seeking the truth, then God is going to direct them, lead them, show them what to do, one day at a time. Gotta run. Appt.

        • April says:

          Wrong! By the Church I mean all Christians from the apostolic times to the 17th century. Of course, God speaks through any source that has truth in it. That doesn’t mean the source is good. God is so merciful that he meets you where you are. That doesn’t excuse evil sources. Which is why he gave us KJV, which doesn’t compromise the truth. The more truth you have, the more free you are. It’s common sense to want to only read pure truth, which leads to growth and healing. I don’t worship a version or the bible. I worship God and accept all truths. If you were on that same island and were therefore forced to rely only on the Holy Spirit, he will tell you all truths. If you then picked up all versions, you would realize KJV was the only one that agreed with all that the Holy Spirit told you. Then you would realize that all of our arguments for the KJV is due to the fact that we do not tolerate lies. “Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God”. How can that be true if you choose to hold onto something that came from humans who want to pervert truth?

          • Yahunathan says:

            Hmmm, as I read more of your comments I keep wanting to reply! So I will.

            April, let me first off say that I see you are passionate for the truth. This is very admirable as Wayde has mentioned. However, I can tell you that the KVJ is NOT the translation that agrees with what the Holy Spirit has told me. You make some pretty daring dogmatic claims in these posts! I would be curious to find out your stance on the Trinity Doctrine, among others. I’ve now been lead to believe that 1 John 5:7 was included into the KJV as scripture when it shouldn’t have been. There are also other discovered corruptions like the KJV rendering of 1 Timothy 3:16. Do you realize and understand the implications that this has?

            Are we really to only read “pure truth”? Or to be guided to it, by whatever means He deems necessary?

            Much like Doug, I will leave you with a question:

            Which of the two do you believe to be HOLY, PERFECTED and AUTHORIZED (A.K.A given full authority) by the Father Himself to be His WORD/TRUTH?!

            1) The KJV
            2) The Word mentioned the Fourth Gospel Attributed to John Chapter 1, which took on flesh, was manifest as His Son, and then resurrected and is now sitting at His right hand on His throne?

            Your answer cannot be both, since there is only ONE TRUTH.

      • Yes, you are right to say there is “only one truth”. I am only trying to explore possible misunderstanding of “God’s Truth” when I ask: surely Truth – ultimate Reality, the actuality of Life, Spirit – cannot be written in words, it’s beyond all that. The words, no matter how beautifully inspiring, simply POINT to the spirit, TELL us we need to be calm, let go of thought, etc, so that the natural, pre-religious, “God-given” reality in us can flourish.
        BTW, William Tyndale wrote 85% of the KJV about 100 years earlier, but is not in the credits!
        ,

  20. James says:

    Agree with #30

    • Bill says:

      If knowledge of the 1611 King James Version of the Bible is required for salvation, then how did the writer of Revelation see a multitude of people in heaven “of every tongue”? To my knowledge, no mere human mentioned in the Bible could even read any form of English.

  21. Frank says:

    Romans 8:16 states: “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God”. The Spirit itself? Besides that mistranslation, do we speak KJV English today?

  22. Lillian says:

    The Bible says the Holy Spirit shall teach you in all things. Right? If this is true then He will give you discernment over which translation meets your needs. You see the Bible is God’s love letter to us and He will reveal His message through His Spirit to our spirit. If you enjoy the KJV read that translation, if you enjoy the NLT read that, eventually the Holy Spirit will guide you to the truth.

  23. susan says:

    Then, of course, you accept the apocrypha, since that was included in the 1611. Since God said He would always keep His Church (not Word, although I believe He did), then for 1611 years, there was NO Word from God? The 1611 version was mainly translated from the Geneva Version, the ones the Puritans used. In the 1611 version, they celebrated *Easter* in the NT instead of the Passover. Do you really think they celebrated Easter, a holiday named after a false god? It makes no sense. In Leviticus, they talked about the sacrifice of turtles (mistake was made, they meant turtledoves). Unless, of course, the sacrifice of cold blooded animals had begun. And of course, English MUST be God’s language, since all of the other people, speaking thousands of other languages are left to languish? It’s time to grow up and realize that the other versions are just as correct, or more correct than this version. I will not accept the apocrypha, and you must if you insist on this version. Enjoy celebrating Easter when they meant the Passover.

  24. susan says:

    Funny someone should mention the Puritans since they used the Geneva Bible. Face it, the main versions, such as the NASB are just as accurate, and the NASB is considered the most accurate word for word translation. You sound like the people who wanted to kill Galilieo since you are also unknowledgeable about the version you claim is without error *not*. Why did the translators write notes in the margins saying things like “we’re not sure if they mean this or this here” etc. They never claimed inspiration from God, and they never claimed its inerrancy. It’s mistakes prove it is not inerrant. God had them sacrifice turtledoves, not turtles, and the people didn’t celebrate Easter, a holiday named after a false god.

  25. Chris says:

    QUIT SMOKESCREENING THE REAL ISSUE PEOPLE!!!!!

    The issue is the “TEXT”. All modern versions come from the corrupt Greek text of Westcott and Hort, Nestle Alans and the United Bible Society. ONLY the KJB comes from a pure preserved Greek text. Pleeeeease do your homework. END OF STORY.
    “If God’s Word is not inspired, it is not God’s Word.”

  26. Charles says:

    All this “contraversy” about bible VERSIONS is an intent to divide the body of Christ today. If you are guilty of proclaiming a “VERSION” or “TRANSLATION” as the only true word of God, then you are being used by our enemy to divide the body of Christ today. If you are reading from scripture from anything other that hebrew, greek or aramaic, then you are reading what people have said is Gods word and people are fallible.

    • Ginger says:

      You are right, Charles! Jesus didn’t speak the King’s English. Neither did Moses, Elijah, or Daniel. The cool thing about our Heavenly Father is that with all of the goof-ups and inaccuracies of scribes, the Good News of Jesus the Christ still comes through clearly and unmistakably. Translations are fallible, but the God of Creation and His Word is forever true. Thank You, Lord.

  27. Heather says:

    The KING JAMES ONLY MOVEMENT – Why they are MISTAKEN…The Truth

    http://www.youtube.com/user/ppsimmons?feature=chclk#p/c/0/xHWepzUByt4

  28. John Galt says:

    You guys don’t even use the 1611 version you use the 1769 version. The 1611 version is unreadable by modern English speakers. You forget also this version was “Authorized” by an earthly king of England. Not by God.

    All versions have errors as well as good translations. That is why we should use as many as we can get our hands on, to get to the truth.

  29. Chris says:

    Yes we do use a 1611 version, “TEXT”. The text of today’s KJV is the exact same text of the 1611. The 1769 changed spelling and font. Yes our King James Bible was “Authorized” by a King. God always works through His established authority Romans 13:1&2

    Charles, truth and era always divides. The question is, who did the dividing? The King James Bible was here first. If you chose a modern version you walked away and made the devision. The truth is all modern versions are counterfeit Bibles, translated from corrupt Greek manuscripts. Here is how to spot a counter-fit Bible. 1 Timothy 3:16 God was manifest in the flesh. If your Bible has “He” in the place of God it is a counterfeit. The man who did that was a Unitarian by the name of Vance Smith. He was allowed on the Westcot and Hort committee. He hated the deity of Christ. 2Timothy 2:15 Study to show thyself approved… If your Bible does not have “study” it is a counterfeit. Someone did not think you should “Study” the Bible. Would you drink a bottle of water with only 1 drop of poison in it? Rat Poison is 99% food. A counterfeit 20 dollar bill is still a 20 dollar bill.

  30. What a tragedy that people cannot understand and hear the true Word. One point I want to make is the accusation that the KJV was written in an old language and what bothers them is exactly what they point out- thee’s, thou’s, eth’s, est’s, etc. Well, if that was a fact then why does “thee” and “you” appear in the same sentence? If you people who do not believe would study and understand that when thee, thou, etc was used it was to give you a plural form of speaking and also a meaning of an ongoing action. Study to shew thyself approved unto God. Also, even though it was written in English which was not the original language, all sincere Jewish Scholars will tell you that the only English translation that appropriately translates the true meaning of the Hebrew and Greek originals, it is the KJV AV 1611

    I am also concerned that even Christians have not noticed that not only in the NIV and others have changed the meaning of a word, but there are literally thousands of scriptures left out. Not only that but conveniently as the Devil tried to change Gods word in the beginning “Hath God said?” so He continues to try by purposely taking out scriptures pertaining to the most important message, salvation.

    Love, Amedeo
    Amedeo Ministries

    Another fact is that the law says you must change so many words in order for it to be a new trnaslation. In other words if they want their profit making bible to be eligible for copyrighting. For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. The King James can be copied without and permission. The only reason you see a copyright in a KJV is what is really copyrighted are the extras (concordance, dictionary, and so on), not the word itself. New bibles, the word is copyrighted. How evil! They wanted to make money so the law said, then you must change so many words! Wow! Open your ears people and you will hear the Shepherd when He speaks!

    • Yahunathan says:

      Amedeo,

      You have your own Ministries? I hope you aren’t making a name and a profit for yourself like the many “christian denominations” out in the world. Seriously, I hope you aren’t.

      I am glad you mentioned Satan’s tactics he utilized in the Garden of Eden.

      You also stated: “Also, even though it was written in English which was not the original language, all sincere Jewish Scholars will tell you that the only English translation that appropriately translates the true meaning of the Hebrew and Greek originals, it is the KJV AV 1611″

      Since the KJV attributed the fourth gospel to John (which is not the Hebrew name given to the Apostle, one of the Sons of “Zebedee”), can you tell me that WITHOUT A DOUBT the author of the fourth gospel, the beloved disciple (not necessarily Apostle!), was “John”, and not perhaps someone else? I have been led to believe that it was not “John” who can be truthfully identified as the disciple whom “Jesus” loved, but rather a different *disciple*.

      I want to point out that the KJV does not highlight the importance of Hebrew names, as you have suggested. Can you help me understand if I am in error?

  31. Dave says:

    God writes to your heart once you believe. The Bible connects you with Jesus, who connects you the awesome power of God.

  32. newsound says:

    I’m a little confused… I thought the KJV was translated from the Latin Vulgate, which was not the original text… how can the KJV be the most accurate when it is a copy of a copy?

    • April says:

      Because the Holy Spirit is in control, that’s how. Only the scrolls with the truth were copied by the Church for centuries. The other scrolls were made to indoctrinate lies into weak believers. The copy of the copy is accurate because it’s the only translation that stems from the God inspired scrolls. The other translations are translated from the heretical scrolls.

      I’m glad the Holy Spirit reveals the truth to us, so that those who are deceived by Satan choose to be deceived. The Holy Spirit convicts us all to follow the KJV and many people choose to ignore him in pursuit of what they want to hear. They prefer false doctrines because they tickle their ears and have feel good and thought for thought tampering. It’s a choice to give place to the devil or resist him. Most choose to give him place.

      I pray that those deceived by these newer translations see the truth and believe. God tells us in his word that there will be a falling away of the Church, and that many of the elect will follow false doctrines instead of the truth. The newer bibles are the false doctrines. They and their teachers paint a picture of a limited, impersonal God, the exclusion of the Holy Spirit in giving us the ability to understand, and the focus of relying on scholars, their commentaries and Greek instead.

      These are change as you like it bibles, scholars forever change the actual words into what they prefer to be on the pages and lie about it. They lie about their adding to and taking away from the bible and claim that the words they put in are the most accurate and use ancient Greek and Hebrew as a red herring. How do people know that those Greek and Hebrew words actually mean what the scholars claim they mean? Besides, they reference heretical scrolls and use excuses as to why the scrolls used by KJV are wrong. Why do we need to care for the Greek if we have a translation? If the meaning is lost, then why did God make all of these languages and the ability to translate? If the meaning is lost, shouldn’t we just make bibles in ancient Greek and Hebrew and learn them? The devil is chipping away the truth little by little, with the goal of having none left, and causing weakness, confusion, and blasphemy.

    • Mark Peter says:

      Well said brother…I too have studied the KJV and I to love it. But it is full of errors and is full of church slant on topics taught in bible collages. It has been used to cover up and hid doctrines the church deem as untrue. There is truth in ALL translations and Gods word is preserved in all of them. To say that the KJV is the only translation that is word for word from Yahweh is a lie. All translations have been watered down full stop I have been writing christain books for over 20 years and I have to look at the hebrew texts to make sure they have used the correct words and often they have planted a word that was NOT even there and have distorted truth. Every bible student knows this. So please get real as regards to the accuracy of the KJV.

  33. I love the King James Bible and am grateful for the men who worked long and hard to produce the tranlation even risking their lives for their efforts. At the same time, other translations have been developed not to alter the original meaning of scripture but to make it more understandable to believers and are accurate and reliable to the original. To attack these efforts by diligent scholars does nothing to promote the unity of the body that Christ prayed would be One as He is one. I personally use the NKJV but often go to Biblegateway.com to use that resource to compare to other translations including the KJV. May Christ be exalted and may His church be motivated to do all to the Glory of God. Maranatha!

  34. Jordan48 says:

    Do not rely upon your own understanding beloved, but trust in the revelation of the Holy Ghost who is a Spirit. The Spiritual revelation of the Word of God brings understanding, but the man who rests upon his own understanding may soon find himself deceived by the doctrines of devils!

  35. Mark Peter says:

    Yahweh speaks through His spirit and HE sapeks through all the transaltions as He sees fit to revael His divine truth.. The KJV uses the name JEHOVAH which is used by the free masons and is NOT Yahwehs name. So there the KJV has 2600 errors alone.

  36. Tom Owens says:

    Just be careful about this KJV controversy. Is it not in the Devils tool kit, “Has God Really Said”? What type of witness to unbelievers could it possibly be, when Christians quibble about “Has God Really Said”? “When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own but will tell you what he has heard. He will tell you about the future”. (John 16:13 NLT) So wouldn’t saying KJV 1611 only, be to say that we don’t trust His Spirit to lead us? Just something to think about.

  37. Tim says:

    If you’re so proud of the 1611 authorized King James then how come the text you have quoted looks nothing like that of the 1611 authorized text? Have you ever actually read an original 1611 manuscript? Wal-mart is selling reprints of them this year in honor of the 400 year anniversary, but somehow I think you’d find it rather difficult to middle through the pages of a language that looks even far more different than the one you have quoted on this site.

  38. Will Kinney says:

    “After all…only in the King James Version do you still find the fabulous unicorn!!!”

    Yes, but it is NOT only in the King James Bible and the word unicorn is the right one. Here is why:

    http://brandplucked.webs.com/unicorns.htm

    Will Kinney

  39. whatever says:

    I agree with #65……an unbeliever reading this thread would not want to become a Christian. This reminds me of the arguments people got into in the early church – “I’m of Apollos! I’m of Paul! I’m of Cephas!” etc, and Paul also warned them to avoid those who argued endlessly about the law. I will also avoid those who argue endlessly about which translation is correct. It’s just taking your mind off of what’s really important. Christ and Him crucified, and loving each other as Christ loved us.

  40. love you all my brothers but i get more out of the LOLcat bible than kjv, and while not perfect (heck even downright heretical at times, it’s collaboratively written) i get the gist of it easier and the heart of it more freely, then read the Holman just to make sure the theology is correct. if you think for one second that just because it sounds holy that it is, you’re being misled.

  41. whatever says:

    It’s so sad……..people nitpick over this stuff in the western free world because they are just SO comfortable. While in the persecuted church in regimes like China, North Korea, the middle eastern countries, etc. ,they don’t even have any bibles! Bibles must be smuggled into them, when they have a Bible they have to hide it and read it in secret. Do you think they care what translation they have, no, they are just crying over the fact that they have the precious Word of God – or maybe a piece of it……and of course its NOT KJV because its not in English!! And if they are caught with it or caught as Christians then they get thrown into prison, see their children beaten to death in front of them, watch their churches get burned down. ALL translations say that Jesus will judge us by how we have treated the least of these OUR BROTHERS. Are we working to help our brothers and sisters in those countries? Or are we nitpicking about translations?

  42. The NIV is completely corrupt – go see this comparion. No honest person would defend this filth – http://www.searchthescriptures.com/newsletters/foundations.htm

  43. Geneww says:

    There is a one page, absolute proof that God authored the Bible at http://jc.does-it.net . The compiler of the proof also has extended to proof to determine the author of the Koran.

  44. KSue says:

    This is NUTS!! First of all the only way the KJV is AUTHORIZED is because KING JAMES authorized it! NOT GOD! THe original HEbrew texts and Greek are the ORIGINAL! SHow me where GOD says the KJV is the only Bible! THe First version of the NIV was translated FROM THE ORIGINAL HEBREW AND GREEK and other sources like the dead sea scrolls which are MUCH older than KJV! COme on people! THe word of God will always speak to people. We have so many today who are next to illiterate and reading Shakespeare just frustrates them..so does the KJV! there is NOTHING wrong with a modern translation. AFter all… didn’t King James have the word translated so the english speaking people could read it for themselves??? This is the stupidist argument from people I’ve ever heard! It just keeps going on and on! With word meaning changes from the 1600’s the NIV is much more correct. Granted the newer publications of the niv has some bad interpretations, but the first printing were as correct as you can get! The questions posed as to what the niv compared to the kjv should raise a question….with word meaning changes..maybe the KJV is wrong in it’s teachings and have misled people today! and the KJV being translated from the Latin Vulgate (catholic) is NOT from the original either! I’ll take the one that was translated by MANY scholars of today from the ORIGINAL WORD OF GOD>>the HEbrew and Greek.! Many conservative christians at the time didn’t want to accept anything the church of england put out! Since its initial publication, the King James Version has undergone three revisions, incorporating more than 100,000 changes. The most careful and comprehensive revision was published in 1769. There are passages in the KJV that agree with the Septuagint and not with the Hebrew text. For example, 1 Samuel 5:9, the KJV says the emerods were in their “secret parts” but that is not in the Hebrew, but it is in the Septuagint. Even the Pilgrims did not use the “official” KJV..they preferred the Geneva bible. The argument is just crazy! IF someone is seeking the Lord, HE will direct them to Himself..even if it is a one sentence verse from the Living Bible! If God can speak thru a donkey he can use anything to speak to a person’s heart! IMO..the only true bible is the ancient texts in Hebrew and Greek..but how many of us can read that?? the NIV is directly translated from THAT..not a translation of a translation like the KJV!

  45. Pastor Al Sidel says:

    I have used the KJV all my life and love it, but cannot condemn people that use other translations. Satan uses these arguments to divide the brothern. while we are fussing over translations millions are headed for a terrable place called HELL. I have been on 22 trips to Romania and they use their Romanian translation (by the has been proven to be more accurate than the KJV). Are they missing out because they do not use the KJV ?
    I have been to many Nations in Europe and to Mexico
    are they wrong from not using the KJV ?? Don`t get me wrong the KJV is in my mind what I prefer. But I have met some of the most deciated christians that use other Translations,leading people to Christ, spreading the Gospel where ever they go, while others are fussing over translations.

  46. Azixoye says:

    I started out with the KJV, and from there I went to others, NASB, RSV, NIV, etc, etc, and after reading a number of other translations, I returned to the KJV as my main Bible. However, I do keep a NKJV and the ArtScroll Stone Edition Tanach to check out some of the differences on occasion.

  47. Personally, I find the KJV full of error and endless conjecture. Its written in the Kings English like the probable team that cranked out Shakespheare used. Sorry for my bad grammar!
    Unless you have a teacher or bible guides…a person could end up very confused with the Greek and Hebrew translation.
    Lot was apparently vexed by the conversation of his neighbors…conversation is lifestyle…it wasnt the stuff they talked about!
    Three kinds of Love in the NT.
    Its not confusing to a Baptist, maybe.
    NIV is a good Bible too.
    Id say the willing heart is going to find God, no matter what we try…as some say the various nutters that came from the Great Reformation carried on Gods desire, albeit in their falliable human way. God will have his way. People are just tools. As someone who aspires to retranslate the Bible, I find the KJV limiting.
    It is annoying to hear them confuse the law of Moses on shellfish, which refers to priestly purification, and not a dietary law for the Israelites en masse. Some comedian had a go at that recently.
    I got all my knowlege just reading Strongs bible concordance and online studies. At 33, I spent maybe since age 19 in Bible study. Not that long to have a good grasp.

  48. Oren Otter says:

    The average English speaker can’t even read the King James 1611. The dialect is archaic and the spelling would win any English student an F. Better to have a translation in ACTUAL English. King James’ 1611 English no longer qualifies.

  49. manny says:

    yes, the King James Bible is the words of God, it is not a version, it is the Bible, I am so thankful I was able to find out this truth.

  50. Byron says:

    If the KJV is good enough for God, Its certainly good enough for me!

    usmcdad

  51. Allie says:

    If you like the KJV then check out the Geneva 1599 Bible!!! We have almost every version of the Bible in English, and historically this one is awesome!!!! It is the most accurate whole version with an awesome commentary!!! My husband and I are Biblical Historians, and My husband is also an Ordained Minister/ Biblical History Professor at a christian college, and this is the version we use for every day use. This is also the version he has his student buy for school. It is hard to find but amazon has them…http://www.amazon.com/1599-Geneva-Bible-Bonded-Leather/dp/0975484613/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1326768317&sr=8-3

  52. eleanor says:

    You have to really pay attention to the differences in the various translations, and that takes time and study. Example: He is the “propitiation” for our sins. I can translate “propitiation” as “Full payment for”, because that is what the word means. But I cannot leave the entire sentence out of the Bible.

    The KJV properly identifies Jesus as “His only begotten Son”, while others use the term “one and only”. “One and only” is not even a translation. It is a perverse changing of the meaning on purpose. There are thousands of these revisions, editings, removing verses, changing words, leaving out sentences. You make a real study, you will come to the realization that the modern ” translators” were not translating at all. they were editing and changing and revising—taking away from the Word of God, when Jesus forbad men to take away even one word.

    The KJV word is “repent”—-turn from your sin The Douay version replaces “Repent” with “do penance” which means do some kind of hard thing to punish yourself for your sins. A person reading the Douay version will do all kinds of penance, and will never get forgiven. Because the real command of God is “Repent”, and the poor man didn’t know that because he read the wrong “translation” Do you begin to understand that itg is really important to read the ancient, unaltered text?

  53. Eric says:

    Hey Mr #1 Jeff Unicorn,

    Put your thinking cap back on! When was Job written? Was it slightly before the European concept of a horse with a single spiraled horn coming out of its forehead? So the picture you are carrying around in your head about what a “unicorn” is… probably isn’t what God was referring to. Think…think… One horn. ANY animals like that? Further… this beast seems to be the quintessential beast of burden…massively strong and capable of unbelievable amounts of hard work… if only you could tame him. BUT YOU CAN’T! Too big. Too powerful. Any animals fit that description? HOW ABOUT A BLACK RHINOCEROS? Or Maybe… Centrosaurus. It would fit. Don’t burden me with the “they were extinct” nonsense. Brachiosaurus is described in chapter 40, Suzy the T Rex in Montana has red blood cells in her unfossilized bone (and the paleontologists still say it is 65 M years old!), so perhaps those dinos aren’t as old as is commonly believed. So don’t even try. To me, the evidence of the red blood cells and flexible tissue in Suzy is plenty of evidence to demonstrate that T Rex’s extinction is comparatively recent, and the 65M years ago figure is just wrong. I know. I am letting facts get in the way of a good story. Sorry.

  54. Eric says:

    Eek. Who “authorized” the authorizers to authorize the KJV? It is a worthy translation and we get the idea of salvation by producing fruit in keeping with repentance, only made possible because of the blood atonement… but it is a translation. God spoke in Hebrew to Moses and the prophets, and the psalms are also written in Hebrew… Jesus spoke in Aramaic. The NT was written in Greek (except Mark). So how did an English version get to be “THE real thing?” Maybe it has been proclaimed so by those TOO LAZY to learn Greek and Hebrew, so they are hiding behind some made-up authority? Can someone show me IN THE BIBLE where it says the KJV is the absolute quintessential version, and Paul’s originally penned version, of, say, the Epistle to the Romans… somehow was NOT ??? I’m sure that would be news to the Apostle Paul.

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  56. Ann says:

    I find it doubtful that the semitic deity of a Bronze Age society whose membership consisted primarily of nomadic pastoralists would speak in Shakespearian English. Or that a translation commissioned by a monarch with notedly dubious intellectual ability as a means to curry favor with his subjects would be an accurate or faithful rendition of the intent of the original manuscripts. The Greek text used as the basis for the KJV translation is notorious for being riddled with errors both as a result of the poor grasp of the original Greek as well as the rushed timeframe of publication (and contains several errors that are present in no other Greek manuscript of The Bible.) Not to mention the fact that the Greek edition utilized by the KJV translators was not written until the 1500s. The KJV is neither useful as an accurate translation, nor is it easily understandable by modern English speakers. The only continued value it possesses is in the lyrical poetics of the verse, or as a reference for period literature which alluded or quoted from the KJV Bible. I am more often than not baffled as to why the KJV has been considered as the end all be all version of the Bible.

  57. Jacqueline Boyce says:

    Dear Sir/Madam,

    Regarding your praisee of the King James Bible: the King James Bible in honour of its celebration last year should surely be restored to its original publication for the new year wherein the so-called ‘apocryphal’ section originally was placed between the Old and New Testaments and was only taken out 100 – 140 years ago.

    You may find it of interest that the “A NEW COMMENTARY ON HOLY SCRIPTURE INCLUDING THE APOCRYPHA” which was produced in 1928, quoted, ‘This Commentary is written by Anglican scholars who, while holding their faith, are determined in approaching the books to give their critical faculty, instructed by all the means with their power, its full and rightful freedom….But it should be added that on no portion of the books was a new Commentary more obviously required than on the Apocrypha. It is not easy to exaggerate the importance of the books comprised under this ambiguous title in supplying the mental background necessary for understanding the New Testament.”

    It would be a testament to these scholars’ memory to acknowledge their appreciation of the Apocrypha and its contribution (especially “Wisdom”) as underlying the spirituality of St. Paul, being quoted frequently in his letters directly (and sometimes by an obvious meditated theme) and also quoted in Hebrews. Those who reject the extra seven writings say that the early Fathers did not quote them and ignore the fact that St Paul constantly did quote them and they are behind much of his ‘elevater thought’. They were accepted by the Jews until Jamina when they left them out precisely because they obvious teaching (of both the detailed passage on the suffering of the Messia and His origin before time as the son of God) was the cause of many Jews converting and accepting the Gospel of Jesus.

    The men who wrote this commentary on the original King James Bible were, all lecturers and professors and were a credit to the positions they held in the Anglican Church: in short, worthy men and worthy of note:-

    Edwyn Beven, F.B.A., D.. Litt., King’s College, London.

    J.C.H. How, M.A., Trinity College Cambridge.

    W.O.E. Oesterley, D.D., King’s College, University of London.

    H.St. J. Thackeray, D.D.

    N.D. Coleman, M.A., University of Durham.

    C. Harris, D.D., St. David’s College, Lampeter.

    J.W. Hunkin, B.D., Dean of Caius College, Cambridge.

    Their works were edited by no lesser personages than :

    Charles Gore, D.D., D.C.L., LL.D., formerly Bishop of Oxford.

    Henry Leighton, D.D., Regis Professor of Divinity in the University of Oxford.

    Alfred Guillaume, M.A., Professor of Hebrew and Oriental Languages in the University of

    Durham.

    It would be a most fitting tribute to these men to restore to the King James Bible the Apocrypha just as it was in the original king James Bible.

    Respectfully Yours,
    Jacqueline

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  59. steve says:

    The Authorised Bible is a true gem, and is certainly not to be trashed. To those of us who have studied the translation issue, we know that the Byzantine manuscripts (KJV, NKJV) and the Alexandrian manuscripts(new translations) agree 98.5% of the time. I was not raised on the KJV, so when I first came to it, I was a young adult; and when I found modern versions that I could understand MUCH better, they held much sway for me. My present position is that a good, modern, literal version (NKJV, NASB, ESV) is much more understandable than reading 400 year old English. There is a danger with inclusive language versions(NRSV, NIV2011, NLT, et al) that change the meaning of Scripture by eliminating the male pronoun and substituting a plural—these are less accurate, and are translated to be politically correct, even though they may deny that. I urge anyone who uses the KJV to be tolerant of those who use other versions, as many have been led to Christ through them, and continue to grow in the grace of God with them

  60. DD says:

    Don’t you guys realize that this debate is not fruitful in any way? Debating about a particular translation bears no fruitful witness.

    • Yahunathan says:

      DD,

      I do believe that the intent of the discussion here is to edify and bring others to truth. May not ever happen, but are we not all at least willing to try? Hence “this debate” :)

  61. Graceman says:

    why is it so many Christians stumble all over pride about “their ” right and unmatched authority of understanding GODS word . IF you get it so well , what happened to patience , meekness Kindness ?
    And all these stupid debates over Unicorns to waste energy . You do know some stupid Pagan made that original statement and it has you dancing all around in circles with the devil piping the music . How about this ….. ” the Greatest of these is LOVE . and there are other truths that need to be talked about in TOUGH LOVE … WHO cares if the unicorn WAS real or NOT I Can guarantee you if its in Gods word there i s a reason , but there are many things that we DO KNOW is real , like whats going on to destroy our nation right now while people vote their stupid party lines ,or for their wallet . IF YOU are a Christian VOTE FOR THE SALVATION OF OUR NATION . There are people sick who need us walking in the ministry of Christ . There are people DYING AND GOING TO HELL , that need to hear and SEE the truth in US ……

    Please don’t be distracted by the tactics of the enemy to divide and BE about our fathers Business .. saving souls , Healing the sick , Cast out devils , Not entertain them

  62. Redd says:

    you see i see a heresy oh kjv onlyism its as bad as ever i guess unlike this site

  63. JACE says:

    The NKJV, NIV, NASB, THE LIVING BIBLE, THE MESSAGE, THE AMPLIFIED BIBLE AND ALL THE NEWER TRANSLATIONS ARE PERVERTED VERSIONS…. THEY CONTAIN WORDS THAT ARE NOT PROPERLY TRANSLATED FROM THE GREEK AND HEBREW AND THEY HAVE ADDED AND REMOVED WORDS… TO LEARN MORE CHECK THIS WEBSITE OUT:http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/1611_authorized_king_james.htm

  64. Bill Cribbs says:

    Let’s just observe how the Holy Spirit preserved the Word of God over the ages in just the texts:

    Of the 88 papyrus fragments, 75 are based on the Byzantine text, only 13 on the Alexandrian.

    Of the 258 unical manuscripts, 249 are based in the Byzantine text, while only 9 on the corrupt Alexandrian.

    Of the 2,764 cursive manuscripts, 2,741 are based on the Byzantine text, while only 23 on the Alexandrian!

    Of the 2,143 lectionary manuscripts, 2,143 are based on the Byzantine, while ZERO are based on the Alexandrian!

    In total – of the 5,255 Greek manuscripts, 5,210 are based on the Byzantine text and a mere 45 on the Alexandrian.

    • Coming from the Church which was there in both Alexandria and Byzantium, let me post some of the teachings of those who copied both of them:

      “He who busies himself with the sins of others, or judges his brother on suspicion, has not yet even begun to repent or to examine himself so as to discover his own sins…”

      —St. Maximos the Confessor (Third Century on Love no. 55)

      “God, Who is by nature good and dispassionate, loves all men equally as His handiwork. But He glorifies the virtuous man because in his will he is united to God. At the same time, in His goodness he is merciful to the sinner and by chastising him in this life brings him back to the path of virtue. Similarly, a man of good and dispassionate judgment also loves all men equally. He loves the virtuous man because of his nature and the probity of his intention; and he loves the sinner, too, because of his nature and because in his compassion he pities him for foolishly stumbling in darkness.”

      —St. Maximos the Confessor

      “Apart from love nothing whatever has existed, nor ever will. Its names and actions are many. More numerous still are its distinctive marks; divine and innumerable are its properties. Yet it is one in nature, wholly beyond utterance whether on the part of angels or men or any other creatures, even such as are unknown to us. Reason cannot comprehend it; its glory is inaccessible, its counsels unsearchable. It is eternal because it is beyond time, invisible because thought cannot comprehend it, though it may perceive it. Many are the beauties of this holy Sion not made with hands! He who has begun to see it no longer delights in sensible objects; he ceases to be attached to the glory of this world.”

      —St. Symeon the New Theologian

      The Perfect Person’s Rule of Life:

      The perfect person does not only try to avoid evil. Nor does he do good for fear of punishment, still less in order to qualify for the hope of a promised reward.

      The perfect person does good through love.

      His actions are not motivated by desire for personal benefit, so he does not have personal advantage as his aim. But as soon as he has realized the beauty of doing good, he does it with all his energies and in all that he does.

      He is not interested in fame, or a good reputation, or a human or divine reward.

      The rule of life for a perfect person is to be in the image and likeness of God.

      —St. Clement of Alexandria

      God always was, and always is, and always will be. Or rather, God always Is. For Was and Will be are fragments of our time, and of changeable nature, but He is Eternal Being. And this is the Name that He gives to Himself when giving the Oracle to Moses in the Mount. For in Himself He sums up and contains all Being, having neither beginning in the past nor end in the future; like some great Sea of Being, limitless and unbounded, transcending all conception of time and nature, only adumbrated [intimated] by the mind, and that very dimly and scantily.

      —St. Gregory the Theologian

      “The way of humility is this: self-control, prayer, and thinking yourself inferior to all creatures.”

      —Abba Tithoes

      These are the teachings of both Alexandria and Byzantine in that era.

      Yours truly, from the Church which brought you both of those texts:

      Vasily

  65. Bill Cribbs says:

    Before one can determine which version of the Bible is truly God’s Word, they have to make several determinations for themselves. What is important to God? From my reading of Scripture, I find that there are several key elements of truth that MUST be fundamentally supported in Scripture and never manipulated, removed, or added to. Those things are: The sovereignty of God; the deity of Christ; His virgin birth; His sinlessness; the supremacy of His Word; His plan for the redemption of man; the consequences of sin; the nature of the Godhead; and the agenda of Satan. When reading from version to version, I find that there are compromises and deletions of many of these fundamental elements, depending upon which texts were used in the translations. That may sound trivial to some, but we aren’t dealing with a newspaper here. This is dealing with the purity of the Word of God. I personally believe that all of the texts that were used from Alexandria, Egypt are corrupt and that the Textus Receptus and Masoretic texts are the pure, preserved, and perfect Word of God. The King James Version is translated from this text. While in old English style, it is highly readable and I have never had a problem with understanding it, even back when I was six years old. One must hold high regard for the Word of God, the written expression of God’s will, His truth, and His plan. Jesus, the incarnate Word of God, and the Holy Spirit of truth will ONLY honor the pure Word of God when it is applied with faith.See More

    • A. The texts from the Textus Receptus are called that in Latin because they are the texts accepted by the Latin Church: The Roman Catholics.

      B. The texts from Alexandria date to the period of time where Alexandria was the only real bastion of true Christianity in the world, whilst the rest of the world was claiming that Christ was just a man.

      C. There is no real direct claim of Christ’s deity, and the concept of the Trinity; well, the teaching is certainly of the Apostles, as evidenced in the writings of those they ordained to lead the Church after them. However, the explanation using the terms that Christ is of the “same essence” as the Father? That explanation, which is fully true to the meaning of Scripture, does not actually source to Scripture, but to the Nicene Creed, and more accurately, St. Athanasius of Alexandria.

      D. Many historians credit the copying of those texts found in Alexandria to St. Athanasius, due to the fact that the canon which is accepted today for the New Testament was first written down by him. His writings have more references to the New Testament than any modern author, even among the Sola Scriptura, Independent “Fundamentalist” groups.

      1. In reference to that “Fundamentalist” being put in quotation marks, I have to wonder how truly fundamentalist you are, since your fundamentals are only really 300-400 years old, whereas there is a Church today which carries 2000 year old fundamentals.

      E. A 400 year old book is nothing compared to a 2000 year old Church, especially when the people who tout the 400 year old book are only based in a denomination which started 100 years ago. The Church is described by Paul in his first letter to Timothy as the “Pillar and Ground of the Truth.” Here you are, all up in arms about the “purity” of a translation which was put forth by way of bribery and partial, even biased translating work. What you should be worried about is “are you in the Church which Christ started, or a church created by man, in rebellion against the first Church?

  66. Bill Cribbs says:

    By the way, after researching all of the great revivals of history, where thousands came to repentance, and the Word was confirmed with signs following, it was always the KJV that was used. Food for thought.

  67. K Evans says:

    seriously… i don’t understand how some of you can say “i Believe in GOD, but i don’t Believe HE HAS THE POWER to keep a BIBLE in PERFECT condition.”

    if my GOD had a BOOK WRITTEN, my GOD WILL Preserve HIS WORD that we may know THE TRUTH.

    i trust the kjv. IT SPEAKS to me. IT LIVES.

    • Yahunathan says:

      Some of us are saying ” I believe the Father DOES have the power to keep “a”bible in perfect condition. But I don’t believe he DID such a thing.”

      How loud does it speak to you? It lives? Or rather you live out what is written in it?

      I think it is the thoughts of the KJVO crowd who think, “SATAN does not have the power to alter a version/english translation of the Holy Scriptures.”(Of which the originals are yet to be recovered.) Perhaps such folks would do well to read what Satan did to the Father’s words in the Garden of Eden.

      • Really, you are one of many Christians who keep talking about “Satan”, and I just want to jump up and down and say: “Do you really know what “satan” is? Apparently not, in most cases:
        Jesus said we have to give up our self to have eternal life.
        Our “self” consists of unconscious, ego-centric thoughts, which determine our actions.
        In the desert, Jesus was tempted by “Satan” to turn stones to bread, or become very powerful.
        Those ideas were HIS OWN THOUGHTS, not something from outside.
        He overcame all that by letting go (which is the only way to cease thought-slavery – perhaps “let it be” is also apt).
        The only reasonable assumption is that He used mindfulness – which simply mean “staying aware in the present moment”, and has nothing to do with any particular religion, and is a natural way of seeing things.

        If anyone says to me: “You are interpreting scripture, so you are wrong”, I answer simply that, very often, when people say “In the Bible it SAYS such-and-such”, – no, it doesn’t, they are just repeating the standard, orthodox interpretations which have been part of the christian furniture for so long that no-one takes a step back and sees them for what they are.

        Another trap which all of us, of whatever faith, can fall into – and I suffer from this – is to use our “membership” of a faith group to strengthen our ego – “I am a (name of faith), I am saved, you are damned”.
        The entrance is narrow – it is the present moment, there is nothing else.

  68. Bro. Nick says:

    Dear CHRISTian Brethren,

    There have been some comments made about the Holy Bible that are in CHRISTian Love. Unfortunately it seems to me that there
    are many that are meanspirited and contentious about the merits or perceived faults of the KJV. We should all read and heed
    Titus Chapter 3, and not be in contention with our CHRISTiasn brothers and sisters.

    For those of us that are truly ‘Born Again by the power of the Holy Spirit’, we should sincerely pray when reading GOD’s Holy Word – asking Him to “Open Thou mine eyes, that I may behold wonderous things in thy Law.” (Ps 119:18) – because He is the only one that can show us anything of the true meaning of His Living World. We also need to remember that ‘faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of GOD.” (Rom 10:17), and that we are to continually grow.

    I’ve done a lot of studying and praying over several years about the various versions of GOD’s Holy Word, as I’m involved in a CHRISTian Literature Ministry. The question: should I send anything other than the KJV.

    My observations are:

    The bad news is that:

    1) Satan is meddeling with GOD’s Holy Word, as he has been since his fall. (Is 14:12-15)

    2) Copyright Law says: ‘Significant change’ has to be made in order for any new version of the Holy Bible to be copyrighted.

    3) There is a lot of money being made by companies here in the US with the sales of ‘new versions’ of Holy Bibles, because so many in Christendom are fad followers: thinking that ‘new is better’?

    The good news is:

    1) We always need to remember “:because greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world.” (1 John 4:4b).

    2) I personally prefer the KJV (I’m only a HS graduate), but I listen to several wonderful ‘Born Again’ Bible teachers and Preachers that do not use the KJV.

    3) I am commanded to fellowship with and pray for all other true believers in JEHOVAH GOD, because GOD has made all of us “Saints” (Eph 6:18) – and that we are all brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ – only by the Grace of GOD (Eph 2:8-10)

    4) To prayer and fellowship with “all Saints” means – of whatever denomination, social status, ethnicity, language nationality, for we are all CHRISTians – members of the ‘True Church of Jesus Christ’.

    I find the opening statement of this page to be unfortunate “We are proud to stand with and stand on the King James Authorized 1611 Holy Bible as the revealed word of God, as God wrote it, and as God has preserved it.”

    Have any of you really read and studied a Concordance or Holy Bible search program and looked up what GOD has to say about ‘Pride’and ‘Proud’? The computer Bible program that I use shows 55 instances of ‘Pride’ and 54 of ‘Proud” – in each and every instance GOD says that they are evil. GOD Hates pride!!!

    The understanding that has been given to me, is that when I study GOD’s Holy Word I’m to read, study and meditate on it exactly as He wrote it. I’m to always remember that His ways & thoughts are not mine (Is 55:8-11). I need to take His Word ‘straight up’. GOD uses each and
    every word specifically, and I need to always remember to pray, asking for His help to understand what He wrote.

    I know that I need a continuing very strong dose of “humble pie”. When I read and meditate on exactly what GOD says in His
    Holy Word in Is 6:5 2 Cor 11: 3 and 1 Cor 2:8 it brings realization that I’m a “stupid sheep” that needs continual care by my Wonderous Saviour, The Great Shepherd, the Lord Jesus Christ. I need His help when I turn to the right hand, and when I turn to the left hand (Is 30:21) – my choice is, do I continue to stay in the ditch, or humble myself and ask for His help.

    Praise GOD, He gives understanding – only by His Grace – to all true believers in Him that sincerely study His Word and seek His Truth. (Is 28:9-10)

    Your brother only by the Wonderous Grace of GOD,

    Bro. Nick

    Is 55:8-11 / Jer 32:27 / Is 30:21 / Eph 6:10-20, 23-24 / 1 Thess 5:23 / Rev 3:19

    A Lost Heathen that GOD Providentially saved from eternal damnation many times during my combat tours in Vietnam (Sep 65 – May 67 & Nov 69 – Dec 71)!!! – and how many other times during the rest of my lost life???

    ‘Born Again’ in October 2001 @ 55+ years old, only by Wonderous Grace of GOD – because of the prayers of CHRISTian(s) & what happened on 9/11/01!!!

  69. steve says:

    The KJV is a VERSION. There were Bibles which preceded it—Geneva, Bishops, Coverdale, Tyndale, Matthews,—were these corrupted? Were people without a Bible until 1611 or 1769? There are Bibles which are revisions of the KJV, which came after: Daniel Webster, ERV, ASV, RSV, NASB, ESV. They ALL are in the KJ tradition. As I stated before, to me the KJV is NOT readable. Someone above stated that one practically has to have the Holy Spirit tell you that the KJV is right, and He will make it clear! Really? That’s similar to God revealing the Book of Mormon is true by a burning in the bosom. As far as I am concerned, KJVO people can try to convince me that the KJV is ‘it’ until they are blue in the face, and I do not hear them, because I will continue to read what I can clearly understand. I use the KJV, but certainly not exclusively. Period.

  70. Paul says:

    The various versions or translations of the bible, including the KJV, are simply manifestations of various publishing houses controlled by various Christian denominations over the past six or seven hundred years. Furthermore, the “word of God” is not something that is printed on anything. Rather, the word is the revealing person of God, otherwise known as the logos or the Christ. The bible is simply a library of sacred writings of the people of God kept in a variety of separate books and brought together by various editors over the years. Often, in the process of reading these books, along with prayer, study, and fellowship with others, persons encounter the sacred word of God. To say that the bible, itself, is God’s word is idolatry.

  71. April says:

    Willful ignorance and lack of knowledge are destroying God’s people! From the beginning, Satan had his minions pollute the truth and fight to convince Christians to follow his lies. With that came wrong teachings and scrolls to justify the evil. God then had his people counteract again with the raw truth and Satan had backslid Christians persecute them! This has continued on to modern times. Satan had succeeded in his evil so much, of making people believe his lies, that God had King James and his people make a bible that holds raw truth. Of course, Satan had his minions continue to fight and make their own versions.

    Modern versions are Satan’s tools to pull people away from raw truth. He knows that if someone’s foundation is weak, they will fall when he sends storms. And fall they do! The whole point is that KJV is the only version that we have that has raw truth. It doesn’t compromise and give people what they evilly want. That is why scholars are working so hard to discredit KJV, because they are like the Pharisees and want us to believe lies and worship them. Look at how far it has gone? It went from lying about accuracy and easy reading to making versions that condone homosexuality and deny Jesus (there are many of such versions and more to come). Not to mention the teaching that you must rely on scholars and what they say in order to understand God’s word. That is humanism and idolatry. The arrogance and evil of such people!

    NIV, etc, change words and remove/add words to satiate rebellious hearts. KJV doesn’t. To use KJV’s language as an excuse to dismiss it is foolish and carnal. It doesn’t matter how much you choose to listen to Satan and ignore the Holy Spirit. God will lead those who are truly his back to the KJV, while those who aren’t his will go further from him.

    God hates lies. He has people regather his truths into one source when the truth is being denied. He had KJV made to preserve those truths and there is nothing that can excuse the existence of modern versions.

    The problem here is that people don’t realize that spiritual understanding is different from understanding what a passage basically says. If a passage clearly states something, you are able to “understand” or learn it. But, to understand the bible, ie spiritual meanings, you must get spiritual understanding, which only comes from God. If you faithfully ask, God will give you complete understanding as a gift and you’ll be able to learn the bible and understand it. Otherwise, you will not understand.

    When people don’t understand, they foolishly choose to go to humans and their wisdom and advice for understanding. Many of them just want to have their way. Either way, that is why this version mess exists in the first place. Satan entraps such people, knowing that they will fall for just about anything.

    Understanding, or learning, has little to do with language. It’s ironic that people can learn slang and foreign languages, but conveniently cannot learn an older form of English. The language excuse is the biggest and most foolish farce used by Satan. If people were to stop fighting God, they would find themselves reading only KJV.

    It’s all about truth-only, not KJV-only. Unfortunately, KJV is the only version we have that has nothing but truth in it. Any foreign-language copy that is EXACTLY like KJV is good. These copies do not change or omit truths. They truly focus on language, not for understanding like our leaders have lied about. But, for knowledge so everyone in the world will know about God.

    As for the English side, no modern version has only updated the language. If that was truly the issue, only one other version would exist besides KJV. Once again, this supposed language issue is a farce and coverup to change and omit truths. It’s also to condition people to be humanistic, carnal and weak (giving them what they want to hear and/or a weak foundation).

    So, argue and doubt as you like. But, that doesn’t change the truth that modern versions are flesh-based and satanic. Neither will it stop God from getting you on the right track, if you don’t fight and allow him to. Meaning, he WILL get you to only read KJV (or another exact copy) to give you a firm foundation so you wouldn’t be carnal and will be able to stand when storms come.

    • willaim says:

      God hates has people regather his truths into one source when the truth is being denied. He had KJV made to preserve those truths and there is nothing that can excuse the existence of modern versions. (Hmm….so if make a translation into Portugese should we use the 14th century Portugese? No? Why not. BTW – The Luthern Bble and the Dutch State Bible are both more accurate than the KJV. Do you believe in EASTER (started as a pagan festival) Easter is in the KJV but not in other 14th century translations. KJV fanatics need to come to their senses and see that they make no sense at all.

    • Dr. Trenga says:

      Dear April,
      You are so deceived – remember the KKK uses the KJV, in fact they are a KJV only group. Now what does that tell you?

    • willaim says:

      You say: “But, that doesn’t change the truth that modern versions are flesh-based and satanic. Neither will it stop God from getting you on the right track, if you don’t fight and allow him to. Meaning, he WILL get you to only read KJV (or another exact copy) to give you a firm foundation so you wouldn’t be carnal and will be able to stand when storms come.” So the German and Dutch people must learn English to read God’s Word? Did Paul write the KJV? Did Jesus speak with “thees” and “thou’s?” In fact in Greek there is not formal and informal! The KJV was a good translation for it’s time with some flaws that have now been corrected. of course the 15th century German and Dutch Bibles were better and more accurate but also not perfect.

  72. willaim says:

    The NKJV is more accurate. There are numerous errors in the KJV, most of them not important. Simple question: do you KJV people believe in Easter? It is in the KJV. It is NOT in the original manuscript. Another question. Why did the infant baptist translators of the KJV not translate the word baptism into English? Why leave it in Greek? In other words why does it not say “John the immerser” instead of John the Baptist. Perhaps becuase the were baby sprinklers and wanted to keep that false doctrine?

  73. willaim says:

    Receive, I pray thee, the law from his mouth, and lay up his words in thine heart.

    23 If thou return to the Almighty, thou shalt be built up, thou shalt put away iniquity far from thy tabernacles.

    24 Then shalt thou lay up gold as dust, and the gold of Ophir as the stones of the brooks.

    25 Yea, the Almighty shall be thy defence, and thou shalt have plenty of silver.

    26 For then shalt thou have thy delight in the Almighty, and shalt lift up thy face unto God.
    Above is the King James -which is in this case a bad translation that makes the Bible teach the false prosperity gospel. Return to God and get rich. The Dutch and German Bibles of that time period say what the NEW KJV says – and it is muchmore accurate:

    If you return to the Almighty, you will be built up;
    You will remove iniquity far from your tents.
    24 Then you will lay your gold in the dust,
    And the gold of Ophir among the stones of the brooks.
    25 Yes, the Almighty will be your gold[c]
    And your precious silver;
    See how the Hebrew Scriptures says the opposite of the KJV? Throw away your gold and God will be your gold. Now that is TRUTH! You see – the Dutch and German Bibles got it right ( Dutch is my first language) and in this case the English TRANSLATION got it wrong. God has preserved His Word IN THE ORIGINAL languages. A translation is just that and no more.

  74. Bob Dole says:

    If you read the preface to the actual 1611 King Jimsters Bible written by the translators themselves you will find that they specifically deny that their translation is inspired or free from error. Under close scrutiny of the text you will find that it is actually a hideous translation that leads God’s people into lawlessness and confusion.

    The King James Bible is fools scripture.

    If anyone actually reads this comment you should check out The Scriptures, a translation done by The Institute for Scripture Research out of South Africa. Also, if the writers of this site make judgement calls this far off, you need to be cautious of all of their articles.

  75. willaim says:

    The NEW King James is the best so far..but it is a translation.

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  76. Oh, how heartbreaking this is to see such a long discussion about something other than Christ and His grace, power, and peace among His followers, “Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you” (1 Cor 17:19). I see Corinth all over again manifested in confusion and lack of leadership. May the Father Almighty raise up someone to speak mightily His words of peace and love before His imminent return; someone to speak loudly with authority, proclaiming unity through our Savior alone.

    “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me. These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid” (John 14:21-27). As our Master prayed often, so do I, that we would understand His words; we are to keep His commandments of perfect love through His power within us, loving others and loving Him — not written words. It is like some of you are Judas (not Iscariot) asking such a human question of HOW Christ will manifest Himself and NOT unto the world. Our Savior in all His patience answered him but dove even deeper into WHAT will be manifested so that it would shine UNTO the world. He has put Himself inside of us, HalleluYah, and “he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance,” not parchments of paper! As surely as the Father has shone His grace on me, no version of Scripture, even the original documents penned by the Apostles themselves, would be more holy than my own paper if not for the Holy Spirit of the living Almighty One of heaven making them holy, speaking Himself into the world and ratifying their distinction among other brothers and sisters who read them. If the Set-Apart Spirit was not among us, let alone in us, Scripture would mean nothing to us — like unbelievers, unable to understand what they read without divine smidgeons of grace. And is it even the Holy Spirit to whom we are wonderfully enslaved? No, it is the Messiah, first born of the resurrection, whom we work to honor in gratitude of the free gift of salvation, and He in turn gives honor to the Father. And is not any manifestation of the Word of God lesser than He who gives it, and if the Breathe of the Almighty One is not greater than the Son or Father who sent him, who are we to praise the Holy Spirit distinctly, let alone its manifestation in books? Do you who defend a certain version defend so wholeheartedly the word of a respected brother who speaks truth among you? Of course not! If you defend his word it is only because you hear the words of the Savior in it, for we are not called to be followers of a version of Scripture but a Way, not taught by words but the Word, and not devoted to pen and ink but to the Writer of the law written on our hearts.

    “10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?” (1 Corinthians 1:10-20).

    How could it be that Paul wrote to these men to “speak the same thing” when he was a man whose mouth had been used by the Holy Spirit to speak languages even unknown to him, who had travelled all over Asia sharing the gospel, and wrote to churches in a language he did not write well…unless our Good News is not dependent upon a language or culture at all, but upon the power of our Groom Himself! Let us heed his words and let this not be a division among us. Is Christ divided? Was the King James Version of Scripture put on the cross for us! Did it take our sins? Although it does speak, it does not even breathe. It is not our Savior, Master, or Helper – the name it bears for all those to remember it by is not even that of Jesus of Nazareth, but a king on earth. This honor is not wholly undeserved but surely and sadly King James has reaped his fill of honor on earth where it could have been Christ’s, for unlike Paul who is able to be glad for his little part in baptizing so few in Corinth in order to not distract from the greater mission, this version and its “author” has grown for many to be more important than its purpose. If Paul even forsakes baptizing as nothing to be clung to, why do some dispute over books and wording so piously? Is the Scripture we have, which Paul didn’t even have, greater than the universal and physical symbol of accepting salvation, which is baptism? Scripture ushers us to God’s blessings and grace but it cannot actually impart it to us and there’s no way to use our Bibles to confirm our salvation; that’s a job for water! And I wouldn’t take your Bible into the immersion waters for at least in the physical world, every book is lesser than water. Be not wise in your own eyes, prudent in your understanding, set on physical things, disputing and fighting with your brothers and sisters instead of seeking peace and finding all truth in that Holy peace.

    “Most assuredly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who is sent greater than he who sent him” (John 13:16). Who sent the King James Version of Scripture? This book has been proven to have been sent from heaven by its use in the holy battle for truth and light in the world, so let us remember who should really be praised and defended. Also, in this physical world what sent this version but manuscripts of Greek and Hebrew; so wouldn’t they be greater than any version stemming from them? And if we are being so particular; printing and style and even shapes of letter can affect communication. So, what levels of language do we consider important? Do we need to read the original King James Version with unreadable “s”s included? Is the ink holy so that copying the text is pointless? We can insert a missing word in the version but can’t update unused words to their 20th Century equivalents? Are we as followers of the Anointed One appointed to maintain English at its 1600’s state? Where does this end? It doesn’t end. This debate is as spurious as the resurrection of the dead and just like that argument may the Messiah judge between those who follow the King James Version and those who follow the Lamb with whatever tools He gives them. His Word is our sword manifested in beautiful books around the globe. If the King James Version was all the world had, then woe would be to those who have no Scripture at all, but woe is not to those who don’t have a King James Version of Scripture and woe is not to those who have no Scripture at all because Christ and the Holy Spirit is sufficient. I can assure you that as the Pharisees watched the temple split around them, your bible’s will all disappear along with your flesh and you will see nothing but His light and will hear nothing but His praise – and it will not be in Shakespearean English.

    To diffuse confusion, I do not agree that all books in this world that claim to be holy (set-apart unto Christ) versions of scripture can actually maintain that title, but I would not use such worldly devices to prove such a claim like who or when or why it was written but instead I would test if its core was of His salvation and how well it served Christ, for this is the same way that we will all be judged. With this way of testing versions, the King James Version with its few errors, abundance of nuances, and lost words (not to mention its aroma of traditional superiorism) has confused many believers and kept many from understanding precious truths even after deep study. This version holds a special place in my heart but I work with language in some way, all day every day, and from my experience, our Master rarely gives a thought to His medium of communication for His mark is on all things. He speaks the language of Just, Holy, and Merciful Love! May we do and defend the same.

  77. Jack says:

    God is about absolutes. If you’ve got a wishy-washy Bible subject to man’s whims, you’ve got nothing. If I had to guess when God would oversee this perfect Bible – right after the Reformation when the scripture was available to the common man for the first time would seem about right – which is exactly what happened. Makes sense that Satan would attempt to destroy that Bible or bombard it with counterfeits. John MacArthur said, “We believe the Bible is perfect in the original autographs, and in a Bible that God has substantially preserved to this day.” Substantially? That’s not good enough. It creates doubt about the authority of the Word of God. It leaves the door open for Satan to meddle. Who’s to know which bits are right and which bits are wrong? Look at the book of Revelation. The Greek manuscripts are an absolute mess. It’s a wonder anyone can make sense of it. Yet it says if you alter it, you are in big trouble. When I first read Revelation in the KJV, “If any man shall add unto the words of this prophecy” I got the unnerving impression it was actually talking about the KJV version.

  78. Joseph says:

    Faith and brotherly love is all we need. Why? Because God and Christ both told us to. But why? The KJV Bible was written by men, indeed. Ordained by God. But as long as men are involved in anything, there will sin and wrong doings. My point is yes, those who wrote the KJV were men from various lands and tongues and language skills and cultural upbringings as well as diverse specialized skills. Do not think for one second some of them had a political agenda or idea in their mind as to how they interpreted materials used to make up the books of the Bible. There are so many languages to decipher and properly interpreted languages to get right, that it was possible to misinterpret some words or explanations depending on why each understood of each word or verse. Many had different ideas of what might have been said or written based on the styles of the writters and the interpreters. So, it is good to read and pray and have faith that God’s spirit comes through in your diligent reading. Only God can give you the true understanding of every word in the Bible. We already know that the more we read our Bible, the more understanding we get. That is God at work and when He feels each of us is ready for something new, he blesses us with the same verses we have read many times, yet we get something new from those verses….thus, faith in Jesus, faith in God is what drives us to keep up our due diligence to reaching God……

  79. Marie Jones says:

    I will only say this, my husband and I will only ever read the KJV Authorized,used to read niv but so much was missing, so KJVA it is

  80. There seems to be a lot of confusion about the “King James Bible.” First of all, it was not the first English translation of the Bible. It was originally called the “Authorised Edition” and it was called “King James’s Bible” as a bit of a pejorative, especially by the Puritans who kept using the Geneva Bible of 1560 – 1599. The KJV didn’t really receive widespread approval for 70 years after its first publication. And the KJV that you have is probably NOT the 1611 edition. The KJV that is in common use now is the 1769 Cambridge Edition, which if King James himself came back to life, he probably would have some difficulty reading.

    I have two versions of the 1611 Edition, one basically a photocopy in the old Gothic script, which is really, really difficult to read. I bought it for $4.97 at Wal-Mart. It does not contain the Apocrypha, which the original did. (So if anyone complains about the new translations removing parts of the Word of God, you can point out that the 1769 edition took out several whole books!) The other is in Roman typeface, similar to what we have now, but it contains the Apocrypha.

    The claim that “It Went From Hebrew To Greek then To many Translations Which Came to KJV Then it Kept Going To Nkjv NIV Erv Etc…. ” is totally incorrect. The KJV (like all of the new translations) was translated directly from the original languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek) but the translators cross-checked their work against other translations, like Latin, Spanish, Italian, etc. to make sure they were not getting things wrong.

    The 1611 version did not say “thou shalt covet thy neighbor’s wife.” When more copies were needed in 1631, the printer left the word “not” out of the Seventh Commandment, thus making “the Wicked Bible” an immediate best-seller. The King had most all of the copies rounded up and destroyed, but a few escaped, and you can buy one on line for $89,500.

    I hear complaints that the new translations are in copyright. This is to protect the work done by the translators and the publisher, so that they will be compensated for their work. The KJV is now in Public Domain in the U.S., but it is STILL PROTECTED BY COPYRIGHT LAWS in England. British copies contained the notation that it was protected by Royal Letters Patent to Spottiswoode & Eyre, but I believe that has been handed off to another company by now.

    So, reading the KJV is fine, even though it is now somewhat difficult to read, and it contains a few poor translation choices. My personal preference is for the NASB, but you may have your own preference. I haven’t yet found any Bible that says Jesus is NOT the Son of God, for example.

    You might like to learn more in my book, “You Can Understand the Bible!”

  81. Joseph says:

    Yes, that is what i was saying. Even though many argue that the Bible itself was written by man, God gave divine utterance to the holiness of what is within the KJV Bible. No other book has that, so we need to remind others of this so they can understand that……..thanks for saying it another way…….

  82. Tom says:

    It is wonderful to find out how valuable the Authorized King James Bible is. As a small child my mother gave us a Bible to read and bring to church. I was about 10 years old. At that age it was a translation a little hard to understand. As I grew older and became a teenager I continued to attend our church but really didn’t read the Bible a lot but I was really interested in what God had to say. I was given a Living Bible and found it easier to read and I loved it. I began reading and studying it. As I began to mature in the Lord I bought other translations.This was back in the 60’s and 70’s. No one ever told be that it was important to get any certain translation. I can only say that I learned God’s Word reading many translations but I probably didn’t read enough of the Bible and admittley did not read the whole Bible through. Since that time I have made it a goal in my life to be more aware of the translations and understand now that the 1611 Edition of the Authorized King James Bible is wonderful to read and there is more in this translation that I didn’t realize I was missing until I began listening to NTEB. I do not believe that Christians that read other translations are doomed to hell as I have heard lately. I think it is wrong to say this just as there is not a perfect Christian Church. This is the weakness of mankind which our Lord was crucified for. I do believe that it is good to tell people the differences in the translations and warn them that they may not be hearing all the truth of God’s Word in other translations. I do not think there is room to condem other christians based on the translations they carry. I know that as you grow through the santification process you will see that the original King James Translation is the best one to study. It was nice that I found this out. We all need help in seeking the Lord. Condemnation is really not the way. There’s a way in a loving manner to spread the knowledge of being careful on what translation to read, but we need to share this in love. We are to help each other in this world of imperfection, so let’s go more towards that goal. Thank you and may God continue to Bless NTEB.

  83. If I should live by the KJV alone, then what happens to tradition which even the KJV acknowledges that we should stand fast to the teachings of the Apostles by word of mouth. Why do we think that we are better than others or our work is better than the works of others. Jesus is as humble as you can get when He embraced His cross and so is His Mother. He did warned us about those claiming to be prophets and yet we fail to see this.

  84. KJV is great, but I find NIV to be far more readable and reachable.

  85. Doug Brown says:

    Great comments. Why do I prefer the king James over all the other versions? The other versions sound like poorly crafted high school writing, uninteresting, ie; boring. I also think that Bible memorization is very important and in order to properly memorize, there must be a standard version from which to work from. Yes, I know most churches look down and condemn the KJV but then again, listen to their sermons: watered down and flat. Thank you.

  86. Hara says:

    Dear brothers and sisters,

    please don’t argue over translations. Our God, Who created all peoples and all languages, can communicate with all of us through the many translations He has made for us. We shouldn’t allow these things to divide us, but rather let us celebrate that in our native tongues we can read God’s Word, and let us pray for those tribes and people groups who have yet only a small fraction of the Holy Bible translated into their tongue, and pray all the more urgently for those whose language still has nothing.

    For those who write so much defending your translation, how much more wonderful it would be for you and I to take that effort and put it into translating for others, or by sharing what unites rather than focusing on what divides. God has given you a passion for His Word, but we (myself included), can allow that passion to be used in the wrong way, in a manner that doesn’t edify others but only causes quarrels and doubts.
    Remember always Jesus’ words, “By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” (John 13:35)
    Maranatha!

  87. Good site! Thanks for standing up for the truth of the gospel! I’m trying to begin doing this on-line as well. The site I’ve set up has and will have many audios and videos on it to make learning what Christians need to in this present evil world as simple as possible. I think you’ll like it. Here’s the address: RYFTKOHIAH.WordPress.com. I’ve just started it last year and I’m trying to get this out to as many people as I can, so please pass it on.
    Thank you.
    As a brother under the blood of Jesus Christ,
    Joseph Armstrong

  88. CHO RANSOME says:

    KJV is the Scriptural Book that that Satan is afraid of.
    Any translation or version of Bible that goes contrary to the KJV is Satanic.

    I have a page displaying these satanic bible versions at

    http://www.Bible.Camwahs.Com/false.html

    All Praise The Most High Lord Jesus Christ, AMEN!

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    • The KJV is the book that Satan is no longer afraid of. Instead, he uses it to sow division in the Church, making a translation of a copy of a copy of a copy of a letter written by an Apostle more important than what the Apostle taught himself. The KJV is only a text. It is nothing more, and nothing less. The KJV has errors, many errors. The Apostles, on the other hand, passed down their teachings without Scripture for 17 years, and for 327 years, the Church functioned without a canon of Scripture. Even after the canon of the New Testament was compiled by Athanasius of Alexandria, it was another 1200+ years before a printing press was invented, so until then, there was usually no way for a Church to have an entire copy of Scripture available.

      The Churches in Alexandria, on the other hand, were the bastion of truth against the Arian heresy in the time of Athanasius, such that the teachings of Athanasius against the Arian heresy got him exiled 5 times from the empire, and once he was even chased out by a legion of soldiers.

      All of the history of the Church, truth was upheld without the KJV. The Scriptures have always been something that Satan could twist for his bidding. For example, he even used the Scriptures to tempt Jesus in the wilderness, quoting from the Psalms. It was never a book that Satan was afraid of, but rather a Church which rightly divided the words of Scripture. Satan can use the KJV against a Christian just as well as he did the original languages, It is the Church which Satan has never been able to prevail against, as even the forces of hell are unable to prove stronger than the Church built on the rock of the Faith given once in Christ for all of the Saints (Matthew 16:18 and Jude 3).

      • Where is your perfect Bible then, pal? Have you ever seen it? I’ve got one in my hand! the spine reads, “King James Version”. Do you think there is a perfect Bible ANYWHERE since the “originals”, or are you not a Bible believing Christian?

        The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. (Ps. 12:6-7)

        Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. (Luke 21:33)

        Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. (Psalm 119:160)

        Pal, the cannon was finished in 96 AD with Revelation and established by John him self! (Hills) The OLD VERSIONS of the BIBLE into ancient LANGUAGES show a NT text established by 150 AD! AND NOT ONE READS LIKE YOU CORRUPT AND PUTRID NIV, NASB, ETC.! Written copies have always been availible, all the way from the OLD Vulgate to Wycliff!

        So, you don’t think we need a Bible, eh? Book, Chapter, Verse, Please, or are you not a Christian?

        And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. (Luke 4:4)

        “Areans” was one of the nick-names the Catholic Church (500 AD-Present) called the Bible believers they were trying to kill; Alexandria wasn’t the “bastion” of anything (see “Final Authority” by Grady on YouTube)! Arius was FROM Alexandria and so was every other Bible hating doctor. All you want to justify Alexandria for is for you “holy new versions'” “text type”. For your information Aleph, A, B, C, D, P66, and P75 are just about the WORST MSS anyone knows of: contradicting eachother in thousands of places (Aleph and B in 3,000 places in the four Gospels ALONE!), erroniously repeating lines, forgetting lines of text REGULARLY, plus surviving 1.5 millenia of NON-USE.

        Duh! The KJV was undertook in 1604 and printed in 1611 (still the world’s #1 best seller!): of course 3/4’s of the “Church ages” did not have it. HOWEVER: there are more people alive TODAY than ALL of history combined, and most of them can get saved reading English! Sorry, your pet translation is a new comer and has helped NO revival, NO reawakening, NO denomonation, and NO individual accept that there is even 1 copy of a perfect Bible (necessary for the inerrency of the Bible [see above] and all of Bible believing Christianity) any where on earth.

        Satan has alway twisted the Bible in the MONORITY of COPIES and TRANSLATIONS like yours with its short and dificult readings (B, Jerome’s Vulgate, The Jesuit Ryemes, et al.)!

        You know that the devil “quoted scripture”, but you were too woried about getting the Bible on your side that you did not realize that he left WORDS OUT of the quote! He perverted the book and he wasn’t afraid of the partial quotation of it, but he has and will always be afraid of the common man with a open perfect Book. (The Catholics and JW’s ALWAYS have! See A Lamp In the Dark on YouTube.)

        You ain’t “rightly devided” or even wrongly dividen any Scripture, Bub! You’ve not quoted it once in this deprived escapade against the only Book that anyone believes to be the perfect word of the Biblical God.

        Satan’s NEVER prevailed against the Church, eh? You havn’t even been reading your boched abortion “bible”! (I Corinthians, Revelation 2-3) (The Invasion seriese by Mike Hoggard on YouTube)

        If I were you, I’d watch where I got my history. You’ve got all the desperate and muttled overtones of James White.

        Sincearly,
        RYFTKOHIAH.WordPress.com

        • Why do I need a perfect Bible when I have a perfect Church? Why do I need a perfect Bible when I have the pillar and foundation of the Truth in the Church?
          Why do I need a perfect Bible when I have the Way, the Truth, and the Life ,living directly with me and giving me willingly His flesh as food and His blood as drink?

        • Also, The GATES OF HELL WILL NEVER PREVAIL AGAINST IT.

          Remember that? I believe it was the statement of Christ Himself. Would Christ lie? Are you calling Christ a liar?

  89. Joseph says:

    Thats another thing, I know many good Christians that follow other Bibles like the NIV and they are dedicated to doing God’s work and spreading the works of Jesus and contribute to the church doctrines and youth programs and give to food banks, you know, they are the living examples and we all share in Gods word, and go to the same church but they do not use the KJV Bible. They have no idea that their Bible is flawed and it is misleading them and those they teach its words to.

  90. Vasily,
    Satan is NOT using the KJV to divide “Churches” today. Please provide 2 Bible verses that show Satan causing division. There are, however, pleanty showing that God divides!!:

    And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. (Gen. 1:4)

    Thus shall ye separate the children of Israel from their uncleanness; that they die not in their uncleanness, when they defile my tabernacle that is among them. (Lev. 15:31)

    For thou didst separate them from among all the people of the earth, to be thine inheritance, as thou spakest by the hand of Moses thy servant, when thou broughtest our fathers out of Egypt, O Lord GOD. (I Kings 8:53)

    Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (Matt. 10:34)

    They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. (John 16:2)

    Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, (I Cor. 6:17)

    And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. (Rev. 18:14)

    Satan is all about bringing together:

    And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. (Rev. 13:3)

    And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. (Daniel 2:43)

    And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. (I John 5:19)

    See also: Baphomet The god of Transformation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rknCmJpSgG8)

    If you don’t have Bible to back yourself up, if I were you, I’d shut up. By the way, most KJVOnlyists are thrown out of their churches on their heads! If we arn’t (which is rare) we LEAVE.

    Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name’s sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

    • I Corinthians 1: 10
      King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
      Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

      From Barne’s Notes on the Bible:

      And that there be no divisions among you – Greek, σχίσματα schismata, “schisms.” No divisions into contending parties and sects. The church was to be regarded as one and indivisible, and not to be rent into different factions, and ranged under the banners of different leaders; compare John 9:16; 1 Corinthians 11:18; 1 Corinthians 12:25.

      But that ye be perfectly joined together – ἦτε δὲ κατηρτισμένοι ēte de katērtismenoi. The word used here and rendered “perfectly joined together,” denotes properly to restore, mend, or repair that; which is rent or disordered Matthew 4:21; Mark 1:19, to amend or correct that which is morally evil and erroneous Galatians 6:1, to render perfect or complete Luke 6:40, to fit or adapt anything to its proper place so that it shall be complete in all its parts, and harmonious, Hebrews 11:5; and thence to compose and settle controversies, to produce harmony and order. The apostle here evidently desires that they should be united in feeling; that every member of the church should occupy his appropriate place, as every member of a well proportioned body, or part of a machine has its appropriate place and use; see his wishes more fully expressed in 1Co. 12:12-31.

      Christ, in His high priestly prayer in John 17, Christ prays this:

      “Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”

      Now, would you then say that Christ’s prayer was not answered in full? That God did not see fit to keep His Church one in the Truth which He delivered through His Son Jesus? God forbid!!! Rather, God preserved His Church through His Apostles, and through their disciples.

      Marriage is the perfect picture of the relationship of Christ to the Church. In the same way that the man does not marry only individual cells of the woman’s body, neither does Christ marry only individual people in the Church. Rather, we are united to Christ in the Church:

      Romans 12:5
      So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
      John 17:11
      And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
      I Corinthians 6:15
      Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

      See here, the Scriptures say much more about the unity of the Church than they do of division. But it is certainly not division WITHIN the Church, but rather, division of the Church FROM the world, in that the Church is not of the world.

      In the Orthodox Church, we do not make our services like the services of the world. Our services are otherworldly in nature, as if one has walked into someplace sacred. The melodic reading of the prayers, chanting of the Psalms, and even the reading of the Holy Scripture; all is done in the respect of God. Incense rises as we pray, reminding us that one of our constant prayers is in the Psalms: “Let my prayer arise in Thy sight as incense, and let the lifting up of my hands be an evening sacrifice.”

      In this same way, as we are one in our parish or congregation, we must also be in unity with the rest of the Church. It was never just the Church in Ephesus. There was not one Church there, but many local gatherings, 10-40 people in one location, gathering under the elders of each gathering. The Bishop of the city was head over them. Timothy, in particular, was the first Bishop over the city of Ephesus, and after the martyrdom of Timothy, Polycarp was ordained as Bishop by John.

      But the Church in Ephesus was in constant contact with the other Churches, such as in Rome, Philippi, Thessaloniki, Jerusalem, and Crete. they would maintain the unity of the faith by way of the councils, starting with the Council in Jerusalem, concerning the keeping of food laws in the Church, and the Council in Antioch, concerning the requirement of circumcision. In both of these Councils, the whole Church responded that neither were necessary. This was before any Scriptures were written, so they could not look to the Scriptures, for the Scriptures commanded the food laws. They relied on the oral Tradition given by the Apostles.

      If one is fully steeped in the Tradition of the Apostles, then it matters not what version he uses, because the Tradition of the Apostles (II Thessalonians 2:15, 3:6) is the foundation of the Church.

  91. To be quite frank, the question of “do you have a perfect Bible?” is stupid because the answer that every person must give is “no”, because we don’t even have the original manuscripts of the Scriptures

    • THEN SHUT YOUR MOUTH! Your kind has no buisness reading ANY Bible you cannot trust, because it is not GOD’s word, and ever if it were you’d still not believe it! Get a life and believe the Bible you claim to believe! Or do you think that Ps. 12:6-7 is a “conflation”? How do you know the originals were perfect, man?!

      The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. (Psalm 12:6-7)

      But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. (I Cor. 5:11)

      • I love how your response to someone who disagrees with you is to yell and scream and fuss, but no bother. This is a public blog posted in a public space with access available to all who wish to read. Since it has comments available to all people, it is assumed that the First Amendment rights of every American in the public forum are granted by the Constitution of the United States of America.

        However, all political punditry aside, the Bible is not the Word of God, because the Word of God became flesh (John 1). The Bible is only the written words of God, and only the originals were divinely inspired.

        The Scriptures, also, were not preserved perfectly, because even in the texts used in the translation of the KJV, there were multiple interpolations and entire passages missing. Besides that, if the original translation of the 1611 AV was inspired by God, then you have entire books and portions of books missing from your current AV, which is missing such wonderful pieces of literature as the chronicles of the Maccabees, the letter of Tobit, the Epistle of Jeremiah, the Wisdom of Solomon, and the Wisdom of Sirach; all of which were included in the original translation of the Authorized Version of 1611.

        Also, the marginal notes of the Translators of the 1611 AV included portions where they admitted that they might be wrong, such as the hotly contested passage in I John 3:8-9.

        The translators themselves, however, in their inspired original translation, also included an exhortation that the Scripture needs to be continuously kept in translation, so that a “more perfect” (using their exact words in the original edition of the KJV) translation may be made. Even the very translators of the AV did not believe their translation to be perfect. I have access to a direct photo-exact copy of the entire 1611 less than 2 minutes away in the library of my school. If even the translators included notes stating alternate translations, we have no right to deny the use of alternate translations, especially when we don’t even have the original AV available anymore.

        Finally, the Church, not the Scripture, is described as the Pillar and Ground of the Truth (I Timothy 3:15). In fact, when the Apostles speak of the Church, they NEVER state that the Church is built on Scripture. They do say, however,

        Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

        Here Paul, writing to Ephesus, tells us what the Church is. it is:

        1. Transcending the material plane, because we are united in citizenship with those who have gone before: the saints.
        2. The household of God
        3. Built on the foundation of the Apostles and the Prophets. This is not built on their writings, but on the people themselves.
        4. With Jesus Christ as the chief cornerstone.
        5. The place in which we are fitted together in unity to the Lord. Outside of the Church, we are nothing, but within the Church, we are everything.

        If we add I Timothy 3:15, we get another two points:

        6. the Pillar of the Truth. It is the Church which upholds the Truth. The Church upholds the true doctrine.
        7. The Ground of Truth. The Church is also our true source of the Truth. The Church both upholds truth, as a pillar does a roof, and is the source of Truth.

        It is because of the Church that we have the Nicene Creed, declaring once and for all that the correct interpretation of Scripture is that Christ is God. At the time of the Creed, there was no canon of Scripture, and there wouldn’t be a canon of the New Testament until the letter of Athanasius to the Church in Alexandria, wherein we see the first time someone lists the 27 books of the New Testament together and says “these are Scripture.”

        For 300 years, the Church functioned without a settled canon, much less a perfect Scripture. Up until then, many people thought that the letters of Peter were the letters of Gnostic heretics, because of the popular Gnostic “Gospel” of Peter.

        Even then, it would be 1200 years before the invention of the printing press, and 1600 years before the mass production of Bibles. There was no personal reading of the Scripture in your own house unless you had enough money to afford to buy a small castle (the approximate price of 1 letter of Paul from a scribe would have been equal to a year’s salary for one man, not to mention the cost of larger books).

        Besides all this, the general populace was illiterate. Reading and writing were luxuries of the rich. One didn’t learn to read when he didn’t have enough time to devote to it without losing the food to put on his family’s table. This is why the Church had prescribed Readers. Their sole task in the Church was to read the epistles aloud in Church.

        The point is that the Church has functioned perfectly for 2000 years without a “perfect” copy of Scripture. If it has done so this long, then it doesn’t need to have a perfect copy of Scripture.

  92. YES, THE LOCAL church is to be united…but it aught not be united in ERROR. And those who think there is no perfect Bible (contrary to every verse in the Bible) and hate the thought of and the presence of someone that are not going to tolerate people like me, and I’m not going to tollerate a Bible hater like my old PASTOR!

    • I have yet to see a verse say “There is a perfect Bible available and that Bible is the KJV.”

      Until I see such a direct dogmatic statement in Scripture, I’m not going to read a personal opinion into the Scriptures.

      Also, it is not hatred of the Bible to say that there isn’t a perfect copy of it available. It is hatred of me to imply your personal opinion about me is the truth when it is not true, I neither hate the Bible, nor anything therein. What I hate is the actions of MEN who apply their personal opinions as if they were the requirement of the Bible. The translators of the KJV said that efforts to translate again should be made to arrive to a more perfect translation. Therefore, they did not make a perfect translation.

      • NO VERSE HAS TO SAY “KJV”, STUPID!
        It says “the words” would be “preserve[d]” by GOD HIMSELF “from this generation forever”! (Psalm 12:6-7; see also 119:160)
        Give me TWO that say ANYTHING about only the originals being perfect. If you can’t think of one then buy an NIV, you’ll find one.
        You don’t accept the Bible as your final authority in all matters of faith and practice anyhow, pal! Ther are none that give the antichrist’s name, do you think he’ll have one? Will you deny it’s him, though he may fulfill all that the prophets and Revelation say of him, because you do not SEE his name in the text!?!
        They did not advocate the use of every man’s translation, they said that if every man’s whim were followed then there would BE NO END of translating. I don’t care what they thought about it. I’m talking about the PRODUCT. There are no errors in it and every modern English “translation” since was mady by men that knew they could not get it better and did not try to!
        DOES YOUR “BIBLE” HAVE ERRORS? YES? NO?
        ARE THE BIBLES IN GREEK AND HEBREW PERFECT? You deny what the Bible says about itself and you love it? NUTS!
        Where’s the perfect Bible? Nowhere? Then SHUT IT.
        RYFTKOHIAH.WordPress.com

        • Yes, yes. Calling people stupid is certainly loving others as yourself and being an effective witness for Christ. It certainly raises your credibility. Not.

          People like you are the reason I hate heresy. It makes people fall back on their most primitive and inhuman instincts, insult others, and act generally like barbarians. You have presented such a great argument for never using the KJV that I doubt anyone who reads post #181 will ever believe the KJV is truth. If the KJV taught you to hate others, then why should we follow it?

          • Pal, you gotta think of what exactly you are.
            Are you a “Christian” and you don’t believe the Bible?
            “When scholarship defeats common sence, you’re still an idiot!” -Shutt

            But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. (Eph. 15:13)
            And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. (Eph. 15:11)

          • Oh, I believe the Bible. I simply reject your interpretation of the Bible. There is a big difference. Your interpretation of the Bible is pure opinion. It wasn’t a doctrine which could exist since the Apostles were here. Someone could as easily say that the Gutenberg Bible is the perfect translation of the Bible. Or the Lutheran Translation into German. Or any other translation.

            You have all the evidence of reliability and blow it up in proportion to mean guaranteed perfection. The KJV is a good translation, but it isn’t perfect. If anything is a perfect translation, it is the translation of the Septuagint.

    • Also, those verses which I quoted did not refer to a local church. The gospels were not addressed to any local church, and Christ didn’t pray only for the local church in Jerusalem, because that church didn’t yet exist. It is referring to the whole Church. All Christians must be unified under one doctrine, ONE Truth:

      Ephesians 4:

      I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

      Let us go through this:

      One body is the Church as the Body of Christ. There is only one. It’s not limited to the city. There is only one Body.

      One Spirit. There is only one Holy Spirit. He is the only source of power, and the heart of the Church, as Christ is the Head.

      One hope of your calling. You have one hope, that is, salvation in the Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

      One Lord, that is Jesus Christ, the head of the Church.

      One faith, that is, there is only one true faith. This faith is the only TRUTH. It has always existed. It will always exist. Even when the day comes that English is no longer in use, if the Lord tarries that long. The KJV will no longer be useful or profitable if English completely dies out, and it remains inaccessible to the common children and teens in school today, meaning that the KJV is useless to them. Therefore, the KJV is NOT part of that faith referred to in Ephesians or in Jude 3, because it didn’t even exist then.

      One Baptism, in the name of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, for the remission of sins (Acts 2) and towards the working out of salvation (II Peter),

      One God and Father above all. He is the One Who orders His Church. He needs no text and is not Himself contained therein, because He is that which is uncontainable. God cannot be contained simply within the confines of a book, or a single human being outside of Christ, Who is God. No, God is an internal Authority, and is the ONLY Authority that the Church needs. No simple book is as powerful. If it were His will, He could make every copy of the KJV burn to ashes, and the world would be no worse off if He did, because He doesn’t NEED your translation of Scripture. He is vastly more powerful.

      You, however, by stating that the work of human translators is perfect, have placed a book in the place of God. Stating that the KJV is perfect is idolatry, pure and simple.

      • NAME YOUR VERSE THAT SAYS THAT CONSIDERING THE BIBLE TO BE PERFECT IS “IDOLITRY”. I DEFY YOU!
        Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. (I Peter 1:23)
        CALLING THE BIBLE ERROROUS IS HERECY!

        • By the Word of God, which became flesh. The Word of God is Jesus Christ, Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made. Who, for us men and our salvation, came down from the heavens, and was incarnate of the virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit, and became man.

          The Word of God was never a book. He will never be a book. A book never does anything. Only a living, powerful God can do anything. All else is heresy.

          • The “Word” is Christ ONLY when the “W” is capitalized. Christ is ONLY called the “Word” by John, too. (John 1:1, 14; I John 1:1, 5:7; Rev. 19:3)
            Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. (Mark 7:13)
            And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD OF GOD. (Luke 4:4)
            But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that HEAR the word of God, and keep IT. (Luke 11:28)
            Blessed is he that readeth, and they that HEAR THE WORDS of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. (Rev. 1:3)
            YOU’RE NOT FOOLISH? WAKE UP!

          • I don’t seem to recall capital letters in Greek. Actually there were only capital letters, no diacritic marks, no spaces in ancient Greek. It wasn’t until 200 years after Christ that people started using a capital letter system, and it wasn’t until 500 years later that spaces were made. There was never a set of punctuation.

            Therefore, there was no Logos/logos debate. Any time the Scriptures are Word in English, it is always LOGOS. If it says words, it is the plural LOGISMOS.

            I’m not so stupid that I don’t know basic rules about Koine Greek. I may not be fluent, but when someone tries to sell me that kind of poppycock, I won’t be caught off guard.

          • THERE WERE NO CAPITALS OR SPACES IN THE GREEK UNCIOLS (spelling?)! I. e., only that perticular greek style! I don’t know any Greek, I’m a parot just like any other seminary educated fool, just on a lower scale. And I don’t give beans!
            See: Hazardous Matterials by Riplinger

          • You’re making me laugh. The particular Greek style used in the time of the Apostles was Koine Greek, which had no capitals, no spaces, and no punctuation. Also, I’m not a seminary-educated person, I’m a layman, who left KJV Only occultism because of the hatred you are displaying. It is people like you that make people think that Christians are backward, hateful, resentful people. I’m embarrassed that people like you take on the name of Christ. You know Christ the same way I know particle physics and warp theory.

  93. C’MON. THE REST OF THE NT WAS! And for your info, they were probably not even WRITTEN in GREEK! Most likely they were written in their respective area’s languages.
    LUKE was written ti ONE man. ALL of the Epistles (Romans-Revelation) were written to local churches. WHERE DID YOU QUOTE FROM “THE GOSPELS”, ANYHOW?
    But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. (I Cor. 5:11)

    • I quoted from the Gospel according to St. John, the high priestly prayer of Jesus Christ in John 16. He wasn’t praying for a local church, but for all of the Church which would ever be.

      Also, if you ever accuse me of sin without knowing what I do in real life, better be ready to back your statement up with actual events of my life.

      • Pal, THE BIBLE CALLS YOU A LIAR! Wow, hu?
        Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. (Proverbs 30:6)
        If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (I John 1:10)
        Do a Bible study; grow up, buddy! JUSTIFY YOURSELF
        SO THAT YOU
        CAN DENY THE EXISTENCE OF A PERFECT BIBLE OR THAT THE BIBLE HAS ERRORS. THE PRESSURE’S ON!!!

        • Ok, then explain these:

          “robbers of churches.” Acts 19:37
          Every known Greek manuscript has HIEROSULOUS, “robbers of temples”

          “Lucifer” Is 14:12
          “O Day Star” (Lucifer is a human origin nickname for the Devil in the 1600’s refers not to the devil but the king of Babylon)

          “Easter” Acts 12:4
          “Passover”(Easter very poor choice as it confuses the pagan origin Roman Catholic “Easter” holy day with what the TR clearly says is the Jewish Passover!)

          “Baptism” (entire New Testament) Acts 2:38; 22:16
          immersion, because sprinkling was the mode of baptism in 1611AD, they jelly-fished out and transliterated the Greek “baptizo” but refused to translate it.

          “Tithes of all I possess” Lk 18:12
          “all I acquire” (Not only variant with the TR, but quite wrong. Tithes were never paid on capital, only increase)

          “Schoolmaster” Gal 3:24
          “attendant” (the law was the one who brought us to Christ, not taught us about Christ)

          “God save the King”: 1Sam 10:24, 2Sam 16:16, 1Kings 1:25
          “May the king live” (“God” not in TR, but reflects the British culture of the 1600’s. Proof that the translators used dynamic equivalents.)

          “God Forbid.” Ro. 3:4,6,31; 6:2,15; 7:7,13; 9:14; 11:1,11; 1 Co. 6:15; Ga. 2:17; 3:21; 6:14
          “may it not be” or “let it not be.” (KJV adds the word God where it is absent in the TR because it was a common expression in 1600’s. Proof that the translators used dynamic equivalents.)

          “sweet savour” Lev 6:21; 8:28; 17:6; 23:18
          “soothing aroma” (KJV appeals to wrong senses- taste instead of smell in the TR)

          “ashes upon his face” 1 Kings 20:38
          “bandage over his eyes” (KJV varies from TR by using ashes)

          “flagon” 2 Sam 6:19; 1 Chron 16:3; SoS 2:5; Hosea 3:1
          These verses contain the word “flagon” which is a fluted cup from which liquid is drunk. However, the Hebrew word is “ashishah” which has always meant raisins or raisin cakes. This is especially true in Hos 3:1 because raisin cakes were often offered to idols. This is an obvious error in translation.

          Your perfect Bible has just been shown to be in error. They used the Received Text, rather than the Critical text. But then they changed the text itself, changing words to things which weren’t intended in the Scripture. You’re going to tell me how all these errors exist in the KJV? And what of before the KJV? Or maybe the French? Or the German? What about the tribes in Africa who have a translation directly from the Greek to their own language?

          Is God so limited that He could only give a perfect Bible in one language? It’s impossible to translate the KJV into any other language, because there are no equivalents for many of the words, and many of them would make no sense. Some of the phrases make no sense even in English.

          KJV is perfect and I’m gonna let you kiss my Papal ring this Sunday when I come into your church wearing a living baby deer on my head and pink feetie pajamas.

  94. Vasily Sculley says:

    I’m an Orthodox Christian who follows the Apostolic faith as it was delivered both by spoken word and by written letter. That Apostolic Tradition, as it was called by Paul in his letter to the Thessalonians, includes scripture, but is preserved in the church, not in a book. I love scripture, when it is used in the correct context of the church.

    • Apostolic faith?!? TRADITION? GET OUT THEN!
      But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? (Matt. 15:3)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zE_5WNxtmRM

      • II Thessalonians 2:15

        Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

        You dare tell me that there is no place for Tradition in the Church? Hold the Traditions which were taught by the Apostles, whether by word, or by their Epistle!

        II Thessalonians 3:6
        Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

        See, there is the word again! Tradition is received of the Apostles by their disciples, and handed down from them to their disciples, and so on.

        Also, quit claiming to be a Christian. We can see by your hate that Christianity is the last thing on your mind. If you were Christian, you would take it literally when it says:

        Matthew 5
        Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

        But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

        That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

        For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

        And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

        Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

        You claim to be a Christian, quit trying to chase what you call enemies out. Otherwise, your own sins will be your own damnation, for if you will not forgive all who you believe offend you, neither will the Father forgive you.

        Matthew 6:15
        But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

  95. William says:

    The KJV is JUST a translation, and an outdated one. When the Trinity Bible Society translated the Bible into Portuguese they went with MODERN Portuguese, not the way they spoke 500 years ago! Sheesh!. It is really that simple. And why does this so-called infallible translation refer to EASTER (in ACTS) when EASTER (named after the goddess ISHTAR) did not exist. The word in Greek was the word for PASSOVER – but those English dolts changed it to EASTER!!!! That leads to false doctrine and practice. BTW – in Job the prosperity gospel is taught in the KJV “You will lay up gold as dust” when the original Hebrew says “Lay your gold in the dust so the Almighty will be your gold”. Again – false doctrine! williamoosterman.com

    • SHOW ME ONE BIBLE THAT IS A MEAR UPDATE! (NOT the NIV, NKJV, NASB, TEV, et al.)
      If I were you, I’d look into “pasca” a little deeper before I made such an outragious claim about it’s “mistranslation”. There are alot better “errors” you could have pointed out: Listen to this, it’ll refute every thing you ever thought about the KJB, from the Bible:
      http://samgipp.com/av/av_gipp2.ra

      • Pascha, the literal transliteration of the Greek term for the Hebrew Passover, referring to the Passover celebration of Jews in times of Christ.

        Easter, rooted in a pagan festival of the sun god in Greek and Roman mythology.

        I wonder which one is more accurate? Probably the one relating to an event in the Bible, instead of one relating to a pagan holiday

      • Also, what revision of the KJV is perfect?

  96. Yes, tradition is mentioned in the Bible you fool, but your foolish dogmas taught you by a lot of Bible hating unsaved priests are not of God, but of the devil. You know how I KNOW. Because your “traditions” ARE CONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLE CLEARLY SAYS. You watch those Ruckman debate videos I put up and see if your face doesn’t melt. Unless your too afraid to watch them it will!
    Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? (Jer. 23:29)
    Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. (John 10:1)

    • I am always wary of watching heretical teachers who place the Bible above the God of the Bible.

      The fact is, the dogmas to which I hold are the dogmas which were taught by the men and women who gave you the Bible in the first place. Athanasius is the reason you have 27 books in the new Testament instead of 28 or 16 (which were the other two canons of the New Testament, the first adding the Protoevangelion of James, which was written by James the Apostle; the second removing Revelations, I, II, and III John, as well as the letters of Peter and the gospel of John).

      The Tradition of the Apostles never died. KJV onlyism wasn’t given by the Apostles.

      • THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW ABOUT THE GOD OF THE BIBLE WITHOUT THE BIBLE YOU DINGLE BERRY!
        You’re some sort of mental freak, arn’t ya?
        See you Monday.
        See on YouTube: Which Bible? You be the Judge. by Mike Hoggard
        The Missing Bible by Hoggard and
        Ruckman’s Catholic debate (above)
        You’re the lost hell bound SINNER who accepts fornicating priest’s word over the Bible!

        And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. (Mark 7:9)

        Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; (I Peter 1:18)

        • -_- Wow, and I should be like you, a hateful, resentful, stick shoved up his rectum old man who hates everyone that disagrees with him. That’s what Christianity is about, having a stick shoved so far up your anus that it comes sticking out of your mouth.

        • Besides, I’m Orthodox. Not Roman. You are an idiot if you think they are the same. Of course, only an idiot would think Christianity involves hating non-Christians.

          Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.

        • finally, since when was God limiting Himself to a book? I thought He was above the book. oh wait:

          John 21:25
          And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

          If just one person of the Trinity couldn’t be contained in all the books the world could contain, how do you expect all three of them to fit inside that tiny little KJV?

  97. William says:

    There is only one true bible and it is ordained by Holy God, and that is the 1611 KJV (Total BS! Do germans have to learn English to read the Bible? Luthor gave them the State Bible in German and it is actually BETTER and more acurate in many places. So is the Dutch State Bible of that time period. So perhaps you need to lear German or Dutch to know what God really said!

  98. You should have stopped at the first line.
    See: In Awe of thy Word by Riplinger
    Where is the pure Bible? Or do you reject what the BIBLE SAYS in Ps. 12:6-7?
    See ya Monday.

    • I reject what you say because the KJV is only 400 years old. If there is a perfect version of the Bible, it is in Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew. It isn’t in English. The KJV has errors.

      The Bible never says there will be a perfect translation

  99. By the way, what is the perfect French and German Bible?

  100. What edition, then do you use of the “Greek” New Testament? Do you read it every day and street whitness with it? If I were you, I’d watch Mike Hoggard’s “Which Bible? You Be the Judge” on YouTube before I complained about the Bible not being able to be translated perfectly. Do you think that any portion of it can be translated correctly?
    I am not sure of the French or German Bible though I have heard their names. Most often the most ancient versions follow the KJV readings better.
    See: In Awe of Thy Word
    http://www.avpublications.com/avnew/downloads/PDF/Tracts/InAwe_tract.pdf
    Done till Monday.
    also see: http://samgipp.com/answerbook/?page=07.htm

    • First, my Greek text is a text which is using the oldest texts available in print. You can make an entire version of the Bible out of the texts we have from prior to either the Textus Receptus or the Critical Text. When I need to look at the Greek, I have access to dual Bibles, which have Greek on one side and English on the other. The only Greek text which is of any authority is that which is in Koine Greek, which automatically rules out the Textus Receptus, which is actually a gathering of medieval Greek texts, none of which use the same syntax as the original documents.

      My personal daily reading Scripture is the Orthodox Study Bible, which is based on the Septuagint in the Old Testament, a text which is 800 years older than the Masoretic text, and of which we have copies from prior to the time of Christ. The New Testament is the NKJV, which is based on the same New Testament texts as the KJV. I personally prefer the NT in the NASB or in the Young’s Literal Translation, both of which avoid dynamic equivalents more than the KJV, sticking to literal translation.

      As to whether the Ancient Greek can be translated correctly. Theoretically, it is possible. However, it would require that one were to travel through the event horizon of a black hole, which is the only way to travel backwards in time. After they miraculously survived their trip back, they would need to study Greek under a native speaker and writer. They would then need to somehow copy down the original writings of the Apostles. Afterwards, they could jump back in their ship, fly back forward in time in their starship, and translate the Scriptures directly. Maybe then they could be perfect. So until Captain Kathryn Janeway or the Q Continuum come about, I think we’ll do without perfection.

      • NAME 1 “PRE-CHRIST” LXX. THERE ARE NONE BEFORE 190 AD.

        • False as of 1940’s. Several copies of the LXX were discovered alongside Hebrew Texts in the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which are proven to be older than the 190’s. The only book not seen in the Septuagintal texts in the DSS was the Wisdom of Solomon, which is quoted by Christ several times.

  101. William says:

    Vasilym you are right to forgive the nasty attacks upon you…such people simply reveal their own need of the Saviour!

    • If there is something I can’t stand, it’s people who resort to insulting others if they disagree. This stands doubly true for Christians. Joseph, take heed to what is about to be said:

      “If one of you sees, sometime, something unedifying and so much as goes on to pass it on and put it into the heart of another brother, in doing so you not only harm yourself but you harm your brother by putting one more little bit of knavery into his heart. Even if that brother has his mind set on prayer or some other noble activity, and the first arrives and furnishes him with something to prate about, he not only impedes what he ought to be doing, but brings a temptation on him. There is nothing graver or more deadly than this doing harm, not only to himself but also to his neighbor.”

  102. Thanks, William.
    He’s not saved as a Catholic-what-ever. I am not gong to disguss the version issue with an unbeliever as I had pourposed before. I just remembered this; forgive the inexperience leaking through. I will however supply answers for the attacks she has presently made for my own conscience and obligation. Of corse no number of real answers will satisfy either of you, seeing you are not really looking for them and are only interested in having your little questions.

    How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge? (Proverbs 1:22)

    A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth.
    (Proverbs 14:6)

    Easter (Acts 12:3-4): http://www.kjvtoday.com/home/easter-or-passover-in-acts-124 (also see Gipp audio above)

    Which EDITION of the KJV: http://samgipp.com/av/av_gipp4.ra

    Churches (Acts 19:37): http://brandplucked.webs.com/act19robberdianaartemis.htm

    “Lucifer” (Is. 14:12): http://brandplucked.webs.com/luciferormorningstar.htm

    “Baptize”: http://www.kjvtoday.com/home/baptize-or-immerse-in-matthew-36-et-al

    “Possess” (Luke 18:12): http://brandplucked.webs.com/luke1791812.htm

    “Schoolmaster”: http://www.pennuto.com/bible/gal3_24.htm

    “God save the king”: http://brandplucked.webs.com/godsavetheking.htm

    “God forbid”: http://brandplucked.webs.com/godforbid.htm

    • Joseph, I will not stoop to the temptation of the evil one to judge the status of your salvation. My salvation, however, isn’t dependent on you, your interpretation of scripture, or your personal opinion of me. Christ commands you to judge yourself first, for how can you remove the speck of a doctrinal disagreement from my eye when the great big old redwood of hatred currently grows entire forests out of your own eye?

      That said:

      1. Easter is a mistranslation. The term, in the Greek, in both the Critical Text and the Textus Receptus, is πάσχα, which is literally said, Pascha. The meanings are given in the Strong’s Concordance as:

      1) the paschal sacrifice (which was accustomed to be offered for the people’s deliverance of old from Egypt)
      2) the paschal lamb, i.e. the lamb the Israelites were accustomed to slay and eat on the fourteenth day of the month of Nisan (the first month of their year) in memory of the day on which their fathers, preparing to depart from Egypt, were bidden by God to slay and eat a lamb, and to sprinkle their door posts with its blood, that the destroying angel, seeing the blood, might pass over their dwellings; Christ crucified is likened to the slain paschal lamb
      3) the paschal supper
      4) the paschal feast, the feast of the Passover, extending from the 14th to the 20th day of the month Nisan

      In the AV, πάσχα is translated as passover 28 times, and only as easter once. It is incontrovertible. The normal, literal meaning of the word “πάσχα” is Passover. Not Easter. Easter is a pagan holiday with obvious pagan roots. Passover was a celebration commanded by God directly:

      Leviticus 23:4-8
      King James Version (KJV)
      These are the feasts of the Lord, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

      In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord’s passover.

      And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

      In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

      But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

      Meanwhile, Easter was brought into the Church by the Roman Catholic Church, and is poignant evidence of the fact that the KJV translators used the Latin Vulgate, and not the Greek texts.

    • Also, in response to you saying I’m not saved:

    • William says:

      Of corse no number of real answers will satisfy either of you, seeing you are not really looking for them and are only interested in having your little questions. (That is a perfect summary of you!)

  103. First: you are not saved because you do not believe what the Bible says about salvation by grace through faith alone in the blood of Jesus Christ the Lord, shead once for all men, to my knowledge. If you accept the Catholic herecies of pugatory, transubstantiation, endulgences, the asuption or perpetual verginity of Mary, etc. you accept what man says above what God says. Inform me, please.

    Second: Pasca can be translated as Easter OR Passover, genious. THE CONTEXT DEMANDS “EASTER”. You offerd no evidence that the KJVTT used the Vulgate over “the Greek”.

    You have obviously not listened tothe audio
    or read the article. Where is your every word Bible, eh?

    • 1. I accept everything the Bible says about salvation and justification, including this:

      Hebrews 5:9
      King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
      And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

      James 2:14, 24
      What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
      Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

      2. I don’t accept purgatory. Transsubstantiation is a heretical attempt to explain a mystery which we do not understand. Indulgences are repulsive to the Orthodox. The Assumption of Mary is not remembered, though we do remember her death as we remember the deaths of all of God’s people, for precious in the sight of God is the death of His saints (Psalm 116:15).

      3. As to the perpetual virginity, that is according to the writing of the Apostle James in the Protoevangelion of James, the step-brother of Christ. I should think that James would know who his own mother is, so when he says it isn’t Mary, I’ll accept his words over yours.

      4. Pascha is translated as “easter” only once. There is absolutely no precedence for the translation of the word Easter, which is not in Scripture, despite the fact that Greek did have a word for that, which is the word “Ester”.

      5. It’s funny that a man who teaches the 100 year old doctrine of KJV perfection is taking upon himself the authority to say that he knows what I believe and calling it heresy.

      6. It is also funny how he seems to think he is of more authority in my salvation than Jesus Christ Himself, insomuch as he states that he happens to know the secret things of my heart. You look on the outside and presume to know what is within.

      7. Proof that the Vulgate was used in the translation of the KJV: Bruce, Frederick Fyvie (2002). History of the Bible in English. Cambridge: Lutterworth Press. ISBN 0-7188-9032-9.

      The KJV, like many English translations, borrowed readings from the Vulgate of the Roman Catholic Church. The Vulgate was used in the Wycliffe, the Lutheran, and in the Wesleyan traditions as a source of translation material. As the KJV is based on them as precursors, the KJV is also based on the Vulgate.

      8. I have a never-failing Church. Why do I need your “perfect” Bible heresy?

  104. I’m done with you, pal. GET SAVED.

    • I am saved. It’s not YOU who judges. I don’t honestly care what YOUR opinion is. The only opinion that matters in salvation is the opinion of Jesus Christ. Joseph Armstrong is not Jesus Christ. Joseph Armstrong is a sinful, carnally passionate human being just like I am. Until you happen to have a position in the place of the Trinity, don’t you dare presume to give me a command that only Christ can command me to do. You are not Christ.

  105. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mark 16:16)

    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Eph. 2:8-9)

    And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. (Mark 7:9)

  106. Vasily Sculley says:

    And I do believe and have been baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

    What I don’t do is believe the Baptist tradition. The Baptist church is not necessary for salvation.

  107. I know not only Baptists are going to heaven. Baptism, here, is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

    I heard there was a DSS LXX, but there were no greek MSS in there. Your LXX would be from the Hexapla by Origin.

    Go to a good Bible study or something.

  108. Vasily Sculley says:

    Please don’t use acronyms. The St Athanasius Academy Septuagint uses the Septuagint mostly from the Dead Sea Scrolls. They are the oldest available, and are likely to be similar to the Septuagint of the Apostles.

  109. DO NOT READ THIS: it will expose the FACT that there is no BC lxx.: http://brandplucked.webs.com/nolxx.htm

  110. Vasily Sculley says:

    It will also ignore the discovery of BC septuagint in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Saying there isn’t something is saying that it doesn’t exist. When we have it, you can’t say it doesn’t exist

  111. “Scholars” are fond of saying that the Dead Sea Scrolls prove the Septuagint. In fact the phrase “the Dead Sea Scrolls proves” is used to justify any number of ideas that have nothing to do with the Dead Sea Scrolls. In fact, there is not one single verse of the Old Testament in Greek in any manuscript found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. There is nothing about the Septuagint in these scrolls. There are no quotes from the Septuagint or references to it. None of the Dead Sea Scrolls mention anything about the Septuagint. All of the Dead Sea Scrolls are in Hebrew or Aramaic.

    Some of the Old Testament books found among the Dead Sea Scrolls don’t match the Hebrew of the traditional text. Some scholars call these Hebrew manuscripts “the Qumran Septuagint.” They suggest that these manuscripts were the Septuagint translated back into Hebrew. There is no reference to this in any of the scrolls or anywhere else in history. So why do they believe this? Because they really wish it was true. There is no Qumran Septuagint! The Dead Sea Scrolls do prove that the “sacred language” (the language used in sermons, rituals and commentaries) of the Jews in Palestine around the time of Christ was Hebrew – not Greek. -Dr. Phil Stringer

    Is the LXX perfect? 100%? Sure there was some Greek, but which books? Read the stuff, man, or we’re wraping up. Will you at least, soon? Let me know when you have.

    And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. (Mark 7:9)

  112. The fact that we HAVE BC copies of the Septuagint is proof against you. Saying that there is no proof of their existence is like saying that there is no evidence that Westboro Baptist Church hates homosexuals and praises God for the deaths of our hard-working military men and women.

    We have the copies. There is no disputing that fact. You may as well say there is no such thing as a rabbit.

    Also: Jesus and the Apostles quote from the Septuagint. 17 thousand+ verses in 320 quotations http://mysite.verizon.net/rgjones3/Septuagint/spexecsum.htm

    Also, check these out:

    Matt. 2:16 – Herod’s decree of slaying innocent children was prophesied in Wis. 11:7 – slaying the holy innocents.

    Matt. 6:19-20 – Jesus’ statement about laying up for yourselves treasure in heaven follows Sirach 29:11 – lay up your treasure.

    Matt.. 7:12 – Jesus’ golden rule “do unto others” is the converse of Tobit 4:15 – what you hate, do not do to others.

    Matt. 7:16,20 – Jesus’ statement “you will know them by their fruits” follows Sirach 27:6 – the fruit discloses the cultivation.

    Matt. 9:36 – the people were “like sheep without a shepherd” is same as Judith 11:19 – sheep without a shepherd.

    Matt. 11:25 – Jesus’ description “Lord of heaven and earth” is the same as Tobit 7:18 – Lord of heaven and earth.

    Matt. 12:42 – Jesus refers to the wisdom of Solomon which was recorded and made part of the deuterocanonical books.

    Matt. 16:18 – Jesus’ reference to the “power of death” and “gates of Hades” references Wisdom 16:13.

    Matt. 22:25; Mark 12:20; Luke 20:29 – Gospel writers refer to the canonicity of Tobit 3:8 and 7:11 regarding the seven brothers.

    Matt. 24:15 – the “desolating sacrilege” Jesus refers to is also taken from 1 Macc. 1:54 and 2 Macc. 8:17.

    Matt. 24:16 – let those “flee to the mountains” is taken from 1 Macc. 2:28.

    Matt. 27:43 – if He is God’s Son, let God deliver him from His adversaries follows Wisdom 2:18.

    Mark 4:5,16-17 – Jesus’ description of seeds falling on rocky ground and having no root follows Sirach 40:15.

    Mark 9:48 – description of hell where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched references Judith 16:17.

    Luke 1:42 – Elizabeth’s declaration of Mary’s blessedness above all women follows Uzziah’s declaration in Judith 13:18.

    Luke 1:52 – Mary’s magnificat addressing the mighty falling from their thrones and replaced by lowly follows Sirach 10:14.

    Luke 2:29 – Simeon’s declaration that he is ready to die after seeing the Child Jesus follows Tobit 11:9.

    Luke 13:29 – the Lord’s description of men coming from east and west to rejoice in God follows Baruch 4:37.

    Luke 21:24 – Jesus’ usage of “fall by the edge of the sword” follows Sirach 28:18.

    Luke 24:4 and Acts 1:10 – Luke’s description of the two men in dazzling apparel reminds us of 2 Macc. 3:26.

    John 1:3 – all things were made through Him, the Word, follows Wisdom 9:1.

    John 3:13 – who has ascended into heaven but He who descended from heaven references Baruch 3:29.

    John 4:48; Acts 5:12; 15:12; 2 Cor. 12:12 – Jesus’, Luke’s and Paul’s usage of “signs and wonders” follows Wisdom 8:8.

    John 5:18 – Jesus claiming that God is His Father follows Wisdom 2:16.

    John 6:35-59 – Jesus’ Eucharistic discourse is foreshadowed in Sirach 24:21.

    John 10:22 – the identification of the feast of the dedication is taken from 1 Macc. 4:59.

    John 10:36 – Jesus accepts the inspiration of Maccabees as He analogizes the Hanukkah consecration to His own consecration to the Father in 1 Macc. 4:36.

    John 15:6 – branches that don’t bear fruit and are cut down follows Wis. 4:5 where branches are broken off.

    Acts 1:15 – Luke’s reference to the 120 may be a reference to 1 Macc. 3:55 – leaders of tens / restoration of the twelve.

    Acts 10:34; Rom. 2:11; Gal. 2:6 – Peter’s and Paul’s statement that God shows no partiality references Sirach 35:12.

    Acts 17:29 – description of false gods as like gold and silver made by men follows Wisdom 13:10.

    Rom 1:18-25 – Paul’s teaching on the knowledge of the Creator and the ignorance and sin of idolatry follows Wis. 13:1-10.

    Rom. 1:20 – specifically, God’s existence being evident in nature follows Wis. 13:1.

    Rom. 1:23 – the sin of worshipping mortal man, birds, animals and reptiles follows Wis. 11:15; 12:24-27; 13:10; 14:8.

    Rom. 1:24-27 – this idolatry results in all kinds of sexual perversion which follows Wis. 14:12,24-27.

    Rom. 4:17 – Abraham is a father of many nations follows Sirach 44:19.

    Rom. 5:12 – description of death and sin entering into the world is similar to Wisdom 2:24.

    Rom. 9:21 – usage of the potter and the clay, making two kinds of vessels follows Wisdom 15:7.

    1 Cor. 2:16 – Paul’s question, “who has known the mind of the Lord?” references Wisdom 9:13.

    1 Cor. 6:12-13; 10:23-26 – warning that, while all things are good, beware of gluttony, follows Sirach 36:18 and 37:28-30.

    1 Cor. 8:5-6 – Paul acknowledging many “gods” but one Lord follows Wis. 13:3.

    1 Cor. 10:1 – Paul’s description of our fathers being under the cloud passing through the sea refers to Wisdom 19:7.

    1 Cor. 10:20 – what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God refers to Baruch 4:7.

    1 Cor. 15:29 – if no expectation of resurrection, it would be foolish to be baptized on their behalf follows 2 Macc. 12:43-45.

    Eph. 1:17 – Paul’s prayer for a “spirit of wisdom” follows the prayer for the spirit of wisdom in Wisdom 7:7.

    Eph. 6:14 – Paul describing the breastplate of righteousness is the same as Wis. 5:18. See also Isaiah 59:17 and 1 Thess. 5:8.

    Eph. 6:13-17 – in fact, the whole discussion of armor, helmet, breastplate, sword, shield follows Wis. 5:17-20.

    1 Tim. 6:15 – Paul’s description of God as Sovereign and King of kings is from 2 Macc. 12:15; 13:4.

    2 Tim. 4:8 – Paul’s description of a crown of righteousness is similar to Wisdom 5:16.

    Heb. 4:12 – Paul’s description of God’s word as a sword is similar to Wisdom 18:15.

    Heb. 11:5 – Enoch being taken up is also referenced in Wis 4:10 and Sir 44:16. See also 2 Kings 2:1-13 & Sir 48:9 regarding Elijah.

    Heb 11:35 – Paul teaches about the martyrdom of the mother and her sons described in 2 Macc. 7:1-42.

    Heb. 12:12 – the description “drooping hands” and “weak knees” comes from Sirach 25:23.

    James 1:19 – let every man be quick to hear and slow to respond follows Sirach 5:11.

    James 2:23 – it was reckoned to him as righteousness follows 1 Macc. 2:52 – it was reckoned to him as righteousness.

    James 3:13 – James’ instruction to perform works in meekness follows Sirach 3:17.

    James 5:3 – describing silver which rusts and laying up treasure follows Sirach 29:10-11.

    James 5:6 – condemning and killing the “righteous man” follows Wisdom 2:10-20.

    1 Peter 1:6-7 – Peter teaches about testing faith by purgatorial fire as described in Wisdom 3:5-6 and Sirach 2:5.

    1 Peter 1:17 – God judging each one according to his deeds refers to Sirach 16:12 – God judges man according to his deeds.

    2 Peter 2:7 – God’s rescue of a righteous man (Lot) is also described in Wisdom 10:6.

    Rev. 1:4 – the seven spirits who are before his throne is taken from Tobit 12:15 – Raphael is one of the seven holy angels who present the prayers of the saints before the Holy One.

    Rev. 1:18; Matt. 16:18 – power of life over death and gates of Hades follows Wis. 16:13.

    Rev. 2:12 – reference to the two-edged sword is similar to the description of God’s Word in Wisdom 18:16.

    Rev. 5:7 – God is described as seated on His throne, and this is the same description used in Sirach 1:8.

    Rev. 8:3-4 – prayers of the saints presented to God by the hand of an angel follows Tobit 12:12,15.

    Rev. 8:7 – raining of hail and fire to the earth follows Wisdom 16:22 and Sirach 39:29.

    Rev. 9:3 – raining of locusts on the earth follows Wisdom 16:9.

    Rev. 11:19 – the vision of the ark of the covenant (Mary) in a cloud of glory was prophesied in 2 Macc. 2:7.

    Rev. 17:14 – description of God as King of kings follows 2 Macc. 13:4.

    Rev. 19:1 – the cry “Hallelujah” at the coming of the new Jerusalem follows Tobit 13:18.

    Rev. 19:11 – the description of the Lord on a white horse in the heavens follows 2 Macc. 3:25; 11:8.

    Rev. 19:16 – description of our Lord as King of kings is taken from 2 Macc. 13:4.

    Rev. 21:19 – the description of the new Jerusalem with precious stones is prophesied in Tobit 13:17.

    Exodus 23:7 – do not slay the innocent and righteous – Dan. 13:53 – do not put to death an innocent and righteous person.

    1 Sam. 28:7-20 – the intercessory mediation of deceased Samuel for Saul follows Sirach 46:20.

    2 Kings 2:1-13 – Elijah being taken up into heaven follows Sirach 48:9.

  113. real information on the Septuagint:

    The Septuagint was the first translation made of the Hebrew Old Testament into Greek. It was begun over two hundred years before the birth of Jesus Christ. It was translated from a Hebrew Old Testament text-type that is older than the Masoretic text, from which most Old Testaments are translated today. This is sad, for the apostles had access to both the Septuagint and to the proto-Masoretic text that was in existence in their time. And they chose to quote from the Septuagint—not the proto-Masoretic text.

    You have probably noticed that many of the Old Testament passages that are quoted in the New Testament don’t read the same in the New as they do in the Old. However, if you were using the Septuagint Old Testament, they would read the same.

    For example, notice this passage from the Psalms that is quoted in the Book of Hebrews: “Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says, ‘Sacrifice and offering thou hast not desired, but a body thou hast prepared for me'” (Heb. 10:5,6). In that passage, Paul is quoting from Psalm 40:6. If you look up Psalm 40:6 in your Bible, you will find that it reads: “Sacrifice and offering Thou hast not desired; mine ears Thou hast opened.” That’s not how writer of Hebrews quoted that verse, is it?

    Our Old Testaments don’t say anything in Psalms about “a body Thou hast prepared for me.” Is that not part of Scripture? If it isn’t, why did the writer of Hebrews quote it as Scripture? If it is part of Scripture, what justification do we have for using a text that is different from what the apostles were using?

    That is not an isolated example. Such variances between the Septuagint and the Masoretic text are fairly numerous. In fact, one of the cardinal teachings of Christianity turns on one of these variances. We have all read Matthew’s quotation from Isaiah 7:14: “Now all this took place that what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet might be fulfilled, saying, ‘Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel'” (Matt. 1:22,23). What I did not realize until recently was that the Hebrew Masoretic text does not say, “the virgin shall be with child.” It says, “the young woman shall be with child.” No wonder the apostles and their disciples chose the Septuagint over the Masoretic text.

    Unless you use the Revised Standard Version, if you look up Isaiah 7:14 in your Old Testament, you will probably find that it reads “virgin” instead of “young woman.” That’s because translators have fudged on their use of the Masoretic text in order to conform to the cardinal Christian doctrine of the virgin birth. But how honest is that? Can we ignore the Septuagint and treat it as “a translation full of errors,” but then when one of those “errors” supports a major Christian doctrine, go over and borrow from it? Are we really seeking truth when we do that?
    IS THE SEPTUAGINT FULL OF ERRORS?

    During the Middle Ages, and for many centuries thereafter, western Christians mistakenly thought that the Septuagint was merely a careless translation of the Hebrew text. Many Christians today still think that. However, during the 1800s, scholars began to postulate that perhaps the reason for the variance between the Septuagint and the Masoretic text was that the translators of the Septuagint were working from an earlier Hebrew text that varied from the later Masoretic text.

    In 1947, when scholars were still speculating about these things, an Arab shepherd accidentally discovered some ancient Jewish scrolls near the settlement of Qumran in Palestine. Those scrolls, along with numerous other scrolls later found in the same vicinity, have come to be known as the Dead Sea Scrolls, or the Qumran Library. The Old Testament texts found among these scrolls were centuries older than any previously known Old Testament manuscripts. Among the first scrolls examined were two manuscripts of the Book of Isaiah. The initial published reports proclaimed that those manuscripts were virtually identical to the Masoretic text of today. Evangelical Christians were quick to propagate these initial reports.

    However, later, a more sober reflection on the Isaiah scrolls, coupled with the discovery of Dead Sea manuscripts for other Old Testament books, revealed that the initial reports were premature. Rather than vindicating the Masoretic text as being the original Hebrew text, the thousands of Qumran text specimens reveal that there was a definite diversity of text types of the Old Testament in use during the centuries before Christ. The Masoretic text reflects only one of those text types. Unfortunately, evangelicals have not been very quick to retract those original premature reports.

    More importantly, those manuscripts confirmed that there were early Hebrew manuscripts that largely agree textually with the Septuagint. So the Septuagint was not a sloppy translation of the Masoretic text. Rather, it is apparently a reasonably faithful translation of another text type—a text that may well be older than the prototype of the Masoretic text. Again, let me emphasize that the differences between these text types do not affect any significant spiritual truths. They mainly affect the wording of various Old Testament passages.
    THE VALUE OF THE SEPTUAGINT

    More and more Bible scholars today are recognizing the immense value of the Septuagint and its unique relationship to the New Testament. For example, Bible scholar George Howard points out:

    If the writers of the NT [New Testament] were influenced by secular Greek, they were influenced more by LXX [Septuagint]. Separated from LXX the NT would have been almost unintelligible to the contemporary reader, according to B. Atkinson. … At any rate, in the past decades there has developed an appreciation for the influence which LXX vocabulary had on NT thought and the contributions in this area of Septuagintal research are still coming. Consequently, the debate over which source is more important for NT lexicography, Greek or Hebrew, will probably be resolved in terms of LXX.
    Dr. Sven Soderlund of Regent College writes:

    The LXX was the Bible for most writers of the NT. Not only did they take from it most of their express citations of Scripture, but their writings—in particular the Gospels, and among them especially Luke—contain numerous reminiscences of its language. The theological terms of the NT, such as “law,” “righteousness,” “mercy,” “truth,” “propitiation,” were taken over directly from the LXX and must be understood in the light of their use in that version.

  114. Did Jesus and the apostles quote from the Septuagint? NO, unequivocally, absolutely NO. The Septuagint is a great HOAX. -Jim Searcy
    http://www.moresureword.com/LXXHOAX.htm

    “Not one copy of ‘the Law’ in Greek was extant within 300 years of the birth of Christ.” “The fact that it [one DSS “Jeremiah Scroll”] matched an LXX extant in A.D. 330-350, means nothing; there wasn’t any Greek Septuagiant of Jeremiah in any cave.” “Scroll ‘R’ offers ‘the serious student of the Bible’ a beautiful view of how the myth of a B.C. Septuagint has been sustained from Aristobulus to Stewart Custer. The myth has been bolstered by cunning deceit, credulous duplicity, and out-and-out lying.” “Since 1970 I have given the Scholars’ Union the challenge to produce one Old Testament Greek manuscript written before 4 B.C. which any New Testament writer quoted. They could not find one, not even in the Dead Sea excavations.” -Dr, Peter S. Ruckman (RRB, pp. 1757-1759)

    If you want to have faith in the existence of a LXX, go on having it. But know that you cannot supstantiate it with enough facts to knock a pencil off kilter.

    BIG QUESTION: Is your LXX perfect and infailible? (Ps. 12:6-7) If not, you do not need it; you need a AV 1611.

  115. Did Jesus quote from the Septuagint? Well, let us allow Scripture to speak for itself:

    Matthew 12:21
    And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.

    This is quoting from the following passage in the old Testament:

    Isaiah 42:4
    King James Version (KJV)
    4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

    Now, how do we know it is quoting from here? There is no similarity in the KJV. However, let us look at the Septuagint as it has been translated into English:

    Isaiah 42:4
    Septuagint
    He shall shine out, and shall not be discouraged, until he have set judgment on the earth: and in his name shall the Gentiles trust

    This is a direct quote from Isaiah 42:4, which is VERY different from the Masoretic text of 500 AD.

    Another passage:

    Matthew 13:14-15
    King James Version (KJV)
    14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

    15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

    The Masoretic text of the passage from which he is quoting reads:

    Isaiah 6:9-10
    King James Version (KJV)
    9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

    10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

    However, the Septuagint reads:

    “For this people’s heart has grown dull, and their ears are heavy of hearing, and their eyes they have closed”

    There is incontrovertible evidence that Jesus and the Apostles quoted the Septuagint. There it is in plain black and white. Even your KJV supports that assertion!

  116. Also, what should I do if I were to be living in the 400’s? Did they not have a perfect Bible? They didn’t use the Masoretic text, from which the KJV gets its Hebrew base, because the Masoretes hadn’t made it yet.

    There was certainly no KJV.

    Secondly, you use the 1769 version of the KJV, unless your KJV reads like this:

    John 3:16
    For God so loued þe world, that he gaue his only begotten Sonne: that whosoeuer beleeueth in him, should not perish, but haue euerlasting life.

    Or perhaps it looks like this:

    John 1:1 – 1:14
    1611 KJV

    In the beginning was the Word, & the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    The same was in the beginning with God.
    All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
    In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
    And the light shineth in darknesse, and the darknesse comprehended it not.
    ¶ There was a man sent from God, whose name was Iohn.
    The same came for a witnesse, to beare witnesse of the light, that all men through him might beleeue.
    Hee was not that light, but was sent to beare witnesse of that light.
    That was the true light, which lighteth euery man that commeth into the world.
    Hee was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
    Hee came vnto his owne, and his owne receiued him not.
    But as many as receiued him, to them gaue hee power to become the sonnes of God, euen to them that beleeue on his Name:
    Which were borne, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
    And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among vs (& we beheld his glory, the glory as of the onely begotten of the Father) full of grace and trueth.
    Source:
    http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-1-1_1-14/

    Don’t tell me that you read the 1611. There are only a handful of 1611’s left in the world. You read a later version of the KJV, which was revised in 1769 to work with what was modern English in the 18th century. The 1611 doesn’t match up to the modern KJV, which is itself a revision of a revision.

  117. finally, there are pieces of the septuagint found which date to 50 BC:

    http://www.eliyah.com/lxx.html
    Because of the detailed nature of the below graphics, they will take a while to load unless you are on a fast connection. Below are 2 examples of where the Tetragrammaton has been found in ancient copies of the Septuagint. The Septuagint is a 3rd to 2nd Century BCE Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures. The below fragments are evidence that the Septuagint originally contained the name Yahweh.

    The first is an ancient fragment of the Septuagint dated between 50 BCE and 50 CE (AD). If this dating is correct, it would have been written near the time of Yahushua’s ministry. The name of these fragments are “Nahal Hever Minor Prophets” because they are fragments of Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah and Zechariah found in the Nahal Hever cave, south of Qumran.

    Don’t you dare try to tell me the early Church didn’t have the Septuagint. Let’s make a list of names of people who quoted the Septuagint in the first and second centuries alone:

    Second Generation Christians: men ordained directly by the Apostles
    Ignatius, the godson of the Apostle John
    Clement, the first Bishop of Rome, ordained by the Apostles Paul and Peter
    Polycarp, ordained Bishop of the Byzantium Church, ordained by John the Apostle.

    Third generation Christians: Those ordained by the disciples of the Apostles
    Justin the Martyr
    Irenaeus, Bishop in the region of Lyons

    Now, how do you want to tell me that the Septuagint didn’t pre-exist the Church when the first century Christian authors and the second century Christian martyrs were quoting from the Septuagint in their writings?

  118. You obviously have not used the links. You do not know how to properly translate Hebrew, and that the LXX QUOTES THE APOSTLES AND JESUS CHRIST! Use the links. I’ve seen your puke afore time. Here’s the links again.:
    http://www.moresureword.com/LXXHOAX.htm
    http://brandplucked.webs.com/nolxx.htm
    Come to my site if you actually have a pertinate question. Read the stuff.
    AGAIN: IS YOUR STUPID LXX 100% PERFECT!?!

    • Your KJV isn’t perfect. If it were perfect, then the portions of the New Testament which quote the Old Testament would be exactly the same. Things Isaiah never said in the Hebrew:

      “But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”

      The Psalms never said this:
      “Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?”

      This is the KJV. Imperfect, just as every single translation that has ever existed. It will die in about 100 years, being rendered completely ineffective because of the change of the English Language.

      Your KJV-onlyism is what it is: heretical, Roman Catholic doctrine of perfect Scriptures. If the Roman Catholics were wrong to declare the Vulgate perfect, then so are you for declaring the KJV perfect. All I have is your personal opinion.

      Unless the Scriptures say “The KJV is the perfect word of God,” then I will not believe you. You are man. You are imperfect. Your opinion is your opinion.

      The Bible doesn’t declare the KJV to be perfect. The Church of the first century never had a KJV. The KJV improperly quotes itself. And the translators declared it to need alterations.

      Therefore, the KJV is not perfect.

  119. A 100% Bible AMEN!, brother Russell!
    God bless.
    RYFTKOHIAH.WordPress.com

  120. Refer to the word, or you must be wrong.

    The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. (Psalm 12:6-7)

    Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever: (Isaiah 30:8)

    Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. (Proverbs 30:5)

    Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. (Psalm 119:160)

    And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.(Luke 4:4)

    For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. (John 3:20)

    For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. (Acts 28:27)

    Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. (Luke 8:12)

  121. I have referred to the Word of God, and to the words of God. Neither Christ, nor the Scripture, have said anything about the KJV being perfect. Therefore, I am left only with the tools of a professional translator in determining the accuracy of a translation of Scripture. The KJV does not match the criteria of proper translation:

    1. The KJV does not use only the original language as its basis. The KJV, instead, uses the Latin Vulgate as its basis for about 50-60% of its texts, in the most conservative estimates. The translators themselves confessed to their usage of the Vulgate when they were explaining their efforts to translate the Scriptures into what they called “the vulgar”.

    2. The KJV uses words which are not in the earliest extant copies of the Greek texts. Even in the time of the KJV, the texts available did not include large portions of Scripture which were not in the extant copies of Scripture in Greek. While the absence of these portions does not truly do harm to any Christian doctrine, the inclusion of such passages can be harmful to those who would be put into doubt by the “scholars” who would use these obvious mistakes as reasons to discredit Christians.

    3. The KJV is no longer in the vernacular of the people, which was the main complaint of the translators against the Roman Catholics. The very reason for the translation of the KJV was that Scripture was needed in the language of the common people. This is the noble goal of the Translators. They wished for a translation that any person could pick up and read. In 1611 and the 1700s, the KJV fulfilled that position. Today, the KJV no longer fulfills that position. The common person cannot pick up and understand the KJV. When I started reading other translations next to it, I finally realized what the Scriptures meant, because it was in a language which I could read.

    Overall, you need to have a translation in the vernacular which uses the closest copies we have to the original letters and writings. The KJV does not meet up to that criteria. It is my job, as a translator, to use that which meets those criteria. Anything else would be intellectually dishonest.

  122. Dear post-event viewer,
    If you really want answers to your questions about the Bible, contact me at RYFTKOHIAH.WordPress.com. I will try my best to answer any questions that have been raised in your minds from my correspondance with this boy that hates the Bible and the fact that the word of God is perfect today. God bless. Hope to hear from you soon; most of the answers can also be found in media form on my site.

    As a brother under the blood of Jesus Christ,
    Joseph Armstrong

    The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. (Psalm 12:6-7)

    Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever: (Isaiah 30:8)

    Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. (Proverbs 30:5)

    Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. (Psalm 119:160)

    And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.(Luke 4:4)

    For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. (John 3:20)

    For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. (Acts 28:27)

    Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. (Luke 8:12)

    • The Word of God is perfect because the Word of God is Jesus Christ. The scripture is only perfect when it is divided properly. The KJV used imperfect texts, and therefore came to imperfect results. It is foolish to require a Bible that won’t be in use at the end of my lifetime as part of your salvation.

  123. William says:

    Vasily, many here do not have ears to here. You can hold their nose right in the truth and they cannot even smell it. german people, Netherlands people, each had their own Bible in the time of the KJV. Both are better translations and both at times contradict the KJV as the translation is better and more accurate based on the originals.

  124. However, the point of posting the truth on here is so that people see the whole story. I will never reach someone as stubborn and unwilling to change as Joseph. But I will have influence on people who come in here who aren’t decided, should they desire to look at the evidence objectively

  125. William says:

    Second: Pasca can be translated as Easter OR Passover, genious. THE CONTEXT DEMANDS “EASTER”. You offerd no evidence that the KJVTT used the Vulgate over “the Greek”. (James- KJV only people are a cult – and many like you do not give any evidence of the fruits of the Holy Spirit. Like all cult members you cannot be reasoned with. Sad really….maybe some day you will be free and saved from that blindiness. EASTER did not exist then and the KJV gets it totally wrong! Get over it already. It is JUST a translation and in places a poor one.!)

    • Ummm, Someone want to show me a contemporaneous text which translates the word “Pascha” as Easter when the two events weren’t even close to eachother in time, then we can talk. Easter, as the pagan holiday, occurred on the Spring Equinox. But Passover is the first week after the first full moon following the equinox.

      Not only are they at different times of the year, but they are completely different events. Passover was a celebration in remembrance of the Exodus. Easter was a pagan holiday, celebrating the beginning of spring, usually accompanied by ritual dancing and sexual acts.

      In other contemporaneous documents, Easter is called “Eester”, not Pascha. It wasn’t until Rome changed the calender with Pope Gregory that people moved Pascha to the time of Easter.

      By the by, my Easter service is coming up.

  126. William says:

    Submit to God and be at peace with him;
    in this way prosperity will come to you.
    22 Accept instruction from his mouth
    and lay up his words in your heart.
    23 If you return to the Almighty, you will be restored:
    If you remove wickedness far from your tent
    24 and assign your nuggets to the dust,
    your gold of Ophir to the rocks in the ravines,
    25 then the Almighty will be your gold,
    the choicest silver for you.
    26 Surely then you will find delight in the Almighty
    and will lift up your face to God.
    27 You will pray to him, and he will hear you,
    and you will fulfill your vows.

    Note: that is what the HEBREW says. That is what the Dutch and German and french Bibles of that era says. Toss out your gold and God will be your gold! That is TRUTH!

  127. William says:

    If you return to the Almighty, you will be built up;
    You will remove iniquity far from your tents.
    24 Then you will lay your gold in the dust,
    And the gold of Ophir among the stones of the brooks.
    25 Yes, the Almighty will be your gold[c]
    And your precious silver;
    26 For then you will have your delight in the Almighty,
    And lift up your face to God.
    27 You will make your prayer to Him,
    He will hear you,

    Now this James is what the NKJV says – toss out your gold – God will be your gold.

    • Don’t you dare toss that Book! Here’s my PROOF:
      Revelation 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. (Rev. 3:18)

      And Balaam answered and said unto the servants of Balak, If Balak would give me his house full of silver and gold, I cannot go beyond the word of the LORD my God, to do less or more. (Heb 22:18)

      Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
      7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

      Psalm 119:127 ¶Therefore I love thy commandments above gold; yea, above fine gold.
      128 Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way.

  128. William says:

    If thou return to the Almighty, thou shalt be built up, thou shalt put away iniquity far from thy tabernacles.

    24 Then shalt thou lay up gold as dust, and the gold of Ophir as the stones of the brooks.

    25 Yea, the Almighty shall be thy defence, and thou shalt have plenty of silver.
    A very poor and totally wrong translation in the KJV – it actually teaches the false prosperity gospel of turn to God and become rich….is that what YOU believe James??? Itis NOT what the Hewbrew says – and I have studied this passage at a seminary level while in seminary. So get out of your cult and be a free and saved soul!

    • Wow! you’re a scholar: I need to listen to you! (MAL. 2:12)

      Thanks for giving me the right translation for the FRIST TIME IN 2000 YEARS! (You didn’t) Looks like that’s what it’s flat saying to me: a blessing! Gab n’ Grab is NOWHERE in either testament.

      RYFTKOHIAH.WordPress.com

      • You know nothing of the history of Scripture. here’s a little history lesson:

        The Scripture wasn’t widely available to every Church, much less every person, until the 16th and 17th centuries. People kept the faith without a copy of Scripture in the 2nd and 3rd centuries, ten times better than the bishops of the Anglican Church which MADE your KJV.

        Just look at them. Been using your KJV for 4 centuries, and based on the KJV, they ordain gay bishops.

        Yes, thanks for finally giving us a perfect failure the century, something that people will be asking me when I grow old: “Grandpa, were people really so ignorant of the real world to believe that this piece of ancient history was somehow perfect?”

        Either God is the perfect source of truth, or the KJV is. It cannot be both.

  129. DontBeAfraid says:

    KJV, KFC, CIA….whatever. Why would I take the word of some king who decides what should be put in a bible? I’d be more interested in what he DIDN’T allow in there.

    • suez says:

      Did you ever hear that God uses people???? God used King James because he wanted the Bible written for the common man to understand it. He knew he had the authority and means to do it. A regular person, wouldn’t have had the means to do so. So he used King James.. It is very simple when you think about it!! :)

  130. Can you name one GENUINE book of the Bible that was taken out of the Bible by King James?

    Also: James is the English word for “Yacab”, or whatever.

    Who’s being intimidated out of the “KJVO Cult”, here?

    RYFTKOHIAH.WordPress.com

    • the KJV is an outdated translation that isn’t legible to modern people. Ergo, it’s useless for evangelism.

      • suez says:

        Deception is a terrible thing!! And God hates for people to be deceived, but what he hates worse is the one that deceives others!! :)

        • Hence the reason God treats the teachings of KJV-onlyist people with the same disdain He treated the Vulgate-Onlyists. You think that the KJV is the first Bible to be declared error-free? Think again. KJV-Onlyists stole that page from the catechism of medieval Roman Catholics.

  131. Oh! You again.
    I’m a modern person. To quoet from someone in the first few centuries AD (aprox), it’s amazing that YOU say it is hard to read and you will not even look at it!
    Get out of here you lost “orthodox” Catholic!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qgpa76F2flk
    But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (I Cor. 2:14)
    It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter. (Proverbs 25:2)
    And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it. (Hab 2:2)
    That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (II Thess. 2:12)
    To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you. (Galatians 2:5)

    • Look, your catholophobia is nothing on me. And you aren’t God, so unless you want to explain to God why you’re trying to sit on His Great White Throne, stop telling me whether or not I’m saved.

      1. I was raised as a KJV Onlyist.
      2. I can read the KJV
      3. I find the idea that the KJV is the only accurate translation hilarious.
      4. I find the idea that it is the only perfect translation deplorable.
      5. I find it deplorable because the effects of such belief are apparent in the hatred displayed by you and every other KJV onlyist I have ever met.
      6. Hatred is sin

      Plain, simple, to the point. You’re from 2-3 generations ago. I’m speaking of THIS generation. The modern generation of people born in the 90’s and 2000’s. The majority of them CANNOT read the KJV.

      • suez says:

        Yes they can Vasily, they just don’t want to. There has been a study. It was found that the King James is written where a 5th and 6th grader can understand it. To say other wise is just another lie from the devil! Start quoting some scripture from the other versions. I guarantee you can’t. If you know the King James, you will always quote from it. Just saying!! :)

        • -_- a study from more than a generation ago based on a grading system that was designed more than three generations ago.

          Most of the people in today’s world, when approached with the phrase “bowels of mercy” look at you weird.

          If you trust what a study says, how about trusting a person who has the job of interpreting from one language into another. Here is a word-for-sign translation of John 3:16 into English from ASL, without changing the grammar:

          REASON, GOD LOVED WHOLE-WORLD MUCH, THEREFORE SEND HIS ONLY SON. FOR-FOR? EVERY PERSON BELIEVE HIM, WILL-NOT DIE, INSTEAD RECEIVE LIFE FOREVER.

          Many Deaf people either can’t, or don’t, read. This combination of signs is what they receive, because it is the only way that it can be interpreted. This combination of signs is John 3:16 in American Sign Language. This translation was impossible to make from the KJV. The KJV, in fact, cannot be literally translated into any other language in modern life.

          The KJV, as I have said before, cannot be read by the modern high school graduate. Why is this? English has changed, and that change is even more drastic for this generation than the last. This generation was not exposed to Shakespearean literature in 6th grade. Most of them weren’t exposed to literature older than I am, unless they happened to be taking AP literature classes.

          When children were exposed to Shakespearean literature, it was considered 6th grade level reading. They are no longer exposed to that. Some children don’t even know who Shakespeare is!

          As the KJV was written in the style of writing contemporary with Shakespeare, it takes on vocabulary and stylistic similarities to that era. Many of them do not make sense to modern high school students.

          Quite frankly, the KJV will probably be completely unreadable to the children born when I’m old and gray. What will we do then?

          The translators of the KJV said that their ought to be further translation work done. Ergo, we should follow their advice, since language is changing.

        • Amen Suez, Keep up the faith once delivered to the saints [not one of the ones that were canonized :) ]! God bless. Stand strong!
          RYFTKOHIAH.WordPress.com

  132. Psalms 119:163 I hate and abhor lying: but thy law do I love. (KJV= ineffective, unintelligable, archaic)

    • Then why do you lie about the KJV?

      The KJV is unreadable to the modern generation.

      The KJV cannot be translated into the language of the Deaf American: American Sign Language.

      The KJV is completely useless to foreigners who did not spend years studying historical English literature.

      Since the KJV cannot be read by such a large population of English-using people, it is not perfect. If it were perfect, then a 5 year old would be able to hear and understand any phrase pulled out of the KJV at random. Unfortunately, I have yet to meet a 5 year old who can understand the phrase “bowels of mercy”

  133. I love KJV. A literal interpretation allows the Holy Spirit to teach you, as opposed to thought for thought translation. There can be a danger in both; the literal can mislead the unlearned, while the latter can shed further light on meaning. When meaning translates into doctrine, we should discern, line upon line, precept upon precept. We must all study to show ourselves approved by God, rightly dividing the word of truth. Without the Spirit, this cannot be done. To begin with we should love and desire truth. Pray, meditate and study the word.

    • We must also remain within the Church, for the interpretation of one is dangerous, but the consciousness of the Church is what makes her the “Pillar and ground of the Truth” (I Tim. 3:15).

      It doesn’t matter what temptation you use, if you aren’t in the right doctrine and right church, you will never find the right truth.

  134. Doug Evans says:

    I’ve always wondered what KJV Onliests think of the NKJV

  135. T-Roy says:

    The only real problem I have with the bible, not saying I have a problem with the bible, is man’s commitment to truth. The good Lord told us to REMEMBER the sabbath and keep it holy. OK, this is the seventh day, or Saturday. Sunday is the first day of the week, so why do we go to church on Sunday?The Sabbath actually begins on the eve of Friday and ends on the eve of Saturday. Christ was crucified on Friday, gave up his life at around 3 o’clock pm and they hurriedly placed his body in the cave because of the sabbath coming on at sunset. Some one with REAL knowledge please help me with this one………….

  136. Good, man!
    Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it. (Ps. 119:140)

  137. Check that! Here’s proof:
    But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (I Cor. 2:14)

  138. david says:

    welll, the kjv is good it saves ppl, but dont have what the Hebrew or greek scriptures have, more life, more meaning, in depth, there are thousands of mistranslated words (they add up to change meaning) mis-interpretation in English, few examples, are in the original hebrew has Gods NAME Yahweh “YHWH” praise the name of the LORD? give thanks to his name, well what is his name? LORD OR GOD, NO!! those are titles, YAHWEH has been takin out nearly 7000 times in KJV, thats why LORD is in capital letters, translators knew this thats why all caps, but a jewish tradition (evil traditions of man) would not allow to utter or write the name of the God, REV 1:5 says Jesus the PRINCE as his role is lesser than the 7 human kings of the earth, the real trans is more like “supreme ruler” definitely above everyone else, or when “comes as a theif in the night” westerners make it out to be a pre-trib junk or they say its for the christian but its for the wicked not us,
    or another example.. Colossians 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: PERFECT? no you will never be perfect on this earth living in this world, wrong trans again, the original word they replaced with perfct is a word for “Maturing” as we are always getting better and learning never made perfect, prob where all these cocky Christians come from thinking they can walk on water because they think there perfect, Believers in Messiah shouldent be what is going on in america, bunch of lazy, scared, weak people who may be saved but never do anything besides turn others off by being a know it all goody 2 shoes, real followers are warriors that are tough and are not intimidated by worldy people.

    2nd Timothy 2:15.
    Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    maybe we should study harder even if it means learning a new language, to learn more, takes more effort than guessing what these modern English trans mean, dig deep into the word, only in the Hebrew does YHWH spell torah every 50th letter in GEN. and EXO. spell torah backward evry 50th in NUM. thru DEUT. and the book right in the middle LEVIT. evry 50th letter makes the name YHWH, The one true Gods signature, theres so much more than that too, thats just small examples that take forever to type,

  139. gary says:

    I’ve lost track of the number of times that a Baptist or evangelical has told me that Acts 2:38 was mistranslated; that the “for” in that passage of God’s Holy Word should be removed and replaced with “because of”.

    It doesn’t matter to them that every English translation of the Bible translates this word in Acts 2:38 as “for” or “into” and never “because of”, because these Christians know in their hearts that God would never, ever say that baptism has anything to do with the forgiveness of sins.

    Below is an excellent article by Lutheran pastor, Matt Richards on this subject:

    http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=32616&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BJS+%28The+Brothers+of+John+the+Steadfast%29

    • Hmmmm. Really? Isn’t forgiveness of sins part of salvation? I mean, you aren’t really saved unless you have your sins forgiven.

      I Peter 3:21
      The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

      The answer of a good conscience toward God, being that our conscience knows that we have obeyed God in being baptized, saves us.

      Obedience, ultimately, is what saves us. At the Judgment Seat, Christ will not ask if you have accepted Him. He will not ask if we have prayed a prayer, or if we are on a church roster. Christ will look at His Book, see that we are in it, and will say “Come into my kingdom, for you fed Me when I was hungry…” and so we will be saved. Salvation isn’t a one time event. It is a lifetime event.

    • Thanks for the articly, sir.
      KJV= God’s word in English
      God bless!

  140. Drew says:

    Thank you for posting this page about your stance on the KJV bible. I am looking for legitimate Christian websites to give me news and insights on a variety of topics. Because of your stance on this particular issue your website will not be one of them.

    If you are going to claim that the KJV is the only true word of God for the English speaking peoples of the world then you ought to speak in that form of the English language. After all, your beloved version of the bible says as much in 1 Peter 4:11- “If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God.” You are therefore hypocrites if you don’t speak in the King James English in all of your articles and correspondences.

    Thank you again, and may the followers of Christ persist in spirit and in truth, and not in the worship of a by-gone vernacular.

  141. No one worships the KJV beyond what Psalm 56:10 says.
    Hypocrites, eh? Good. The second verse I’ve ever seen someone use to defend a stance against the AV 1611.
    By the way, I Peter 4:11 says “as the oricles”, saying what they say. Where do you think the word of God ever was? At least in the “original autographs”, right? Why then did not any minister “speak” Hebrew and Greek to German, Italian, English, etc. speaking church goers throughout the ages? Also, no one spoke the 1611 English in 1611 (see my site for more).
    This is obviously not your reason for rejecting the KJV as God’s English words because if it were, you’d be rejecting every one who does not speak in the languages of your only copy of the perfect 100% words of God, the “origianls”.
    Is there a pure word of God today? If you don’t know, may you find it quickly.

    For a good site on up-to-date and sound information I would recomend some one that believes God preserved His Bible: visitbethelchurch.com

    Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. (I Cor. 2:13)
    –RYFTKOHIAH.WordPress.com

    P.S.- I did the same thing you are about a year ago and Pastor Hoggard is the best one I ever found.

    • Stating that something is perfect when it is not God Himself is to place it on the same level as God. That is to declare that, being equal in perfection to God Himself, the KJV is worthy of the same benefits of perfection as God Himself is. the same praise for perfection goes to the KJV as goes to God.

      This is putting a graven image at the same level as God. And that is idolatry.

  142. Robert Loney says:

    The Authorized Version of the Bible.

    Soon after his accession to the throne, James I called a conference of Church loaders at Hampton Court to take stock of the ecclesiastical position in England. It was at this conference that John Roynolds, Dean of Lincoln and leader of the Puritan party, urged that the Bible should be revised again. The king agreed against the wish of the Episcopal party which was led by the Bishop of London, Richard Bancroft.

    He commanded that the best learned in both universities” should be entrusted with the work and that it should be revised by “the bishops and the chief learned of the Church”; also that the final work should be presented to the Privy Council for recommendation to the king and that the whole should be ratified by the king’s authority.

    It was not this time to be the work of one man. Six committees were set up. (It took five months to arrange these owing to the slowness of letters in those days). The work was apportioned as follows,

    i. Old Testament, Genesis to 2 Kings to a committee of ten called the Westminster Committee for Hebrew: 1 Chron.to Ecclesiastes to a committee of eight called the Cambridge Committee for Hebrew; and Isaiah to Malachi to a committee of seven called the Oxford Committee for Hebrew.

    ii.Apocrypha, To a committee of seven called the Cambridge Committee for Greek.

    iii. New Testament, The Gospels, the Acts and Revelation to a committee of eight called the Oxford Committee for Greek; the Epistles to a committee of seven called the Westminster Committee for Greek.

    The committees met at the places after which they were called and carried out their work independently. They included in their membership the most learned biblical scholars of their day, including professors,Lecturers, bishops and cathedral clergy. They were not only biblical scholars but several were also the best Hebrew,Groek,Latirn,Lrabic and Ethiopic scholars of the time.

    The rules of procedure were strictly laid down. Harrison in “The Bible in Britain” lists there so,”The second edition of the Bishop’s Bible of 1572 was to be the starting point; existing divisions into chapters not to be changed except for strong reasons; no marginal notes except explanations of Hebrew and Greek words to be made; every translator to make his own translation and to submit it to each of the other members of his group to whom he read it while they followed his reading in various versions in many languages; exceptional difficulties to be submitted to specialists; the bishops to ask their clergy to send to each committee any observations they might wish to make.

    The language of Tyndale,Coverdale,Matthew, Cranmer (in the second edition of the Great Bible), and Geneva to be retained as far as possible; and ecclesiastical terms such as “ecclesia” (which Tyndale had rendered “congregation'” not “church”) to be given their ecclesiastical flavour. In 1618 English delegates reporting to the Synod of Dort gave a very interesting summary of the work.

    “After each section had finished its task twelve delogates chosen from them all, met together and reviewed and revised the whole work. Lastly the very Reverend the Bishop of Winchester, Bilson, togethor with Dr. Smith now Bishop of Gloucester, a. distinguished man, who had been deeply occupied with the whole work from the beginning, after all things had been maturely weighed and examined, put the finishing touch to this version.

    The rules laid down for the translators were of this kind:

    In the first place caution was given that an entirely now version was not to be furnished,but an old version,long received by the church,to be purged from all blemishes and faults; to this and there was to be no departure from the ancient translation, unless the truth of the original text or emphasis demanded.

    Secondly,no notes were to be placed in the margin, but only parallel passages to be noted.

    Thirdly, where a Hebrew or Greek word admits two meanings of a suitable kind, the one was to be expressed in the text, the other in the margin.

    Fourthly, the more difficult Hebraisms and Graecisms were consigned to the margin.

    Fifthly,in the translation of Tobit and Judith, when any great discrepancy is found between the Greek text and the old Vulgate Latin they followed the Greek text by preference.

    Sixthly, that words which it was anywhere necessary to insert into the text to complete the meaning, were to be distinguished by another type small Roman.

    Seventhly, that now arguments should be prefixed to ovary book, and now headings to every chapter.

    Lastly, that a very perfect Genealogy and map of the Holy Land should be joined to the work.”

    Unfortunately very little is known concerning the actual work of translation but it is clear from the Preface of the Translators that there was no haste in the work and that it was thoroughly executed, great care being taken to obtain the best translation from all the material at hand. The aim is clearly stated in this Preface.

    They tell us that their concern is not to make a new translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, but to make a good one better,or out of many good ones one principal good one, not justly to be excepted against.” Had it not been for this set purpose to provide the best of translations and one without such marginal notes as that on Exod.32:35 “The Pope’s bull slayeth more than Aaron`s calf”, our Bible would never have been what it is today, one to which every one, of whatever party or creed, can go for the truth of God.

    The Authorized Version or the King James Bible was first published in a Black Letter folio in 1611 and there was a second issue the same year. Also in this year the New Testament was printed in the sane type in a l2mo edition. The first quarto edition in Roman type was in 1612 and the first folio in
    the same type in 1616. Fifty editions of the King James Version had been issued by 1640.

    The authorized Version as we have it today,however, differs greatly from these first editions. Various changes and alterations crept in some good and some bad, and the spelling differed widely e.g. “fet” instead of “fetched” instead of “since” and “mee” instead of “mere” and many others. It was not until the end of the eighteenth century that those and other alterations were made and a standardized version began to appear.

    There is no doubt that the beauty of the language and the music of the Authorized Version can hardly be overestimated, “Its felicities are manifold, its music has entered into the very blood and marrow of English thought and speech, it has given countless proverbs and proverbial phrases oven to the unlearned and the irreligious.” (Ancient and English Versions of the Bible p.204). It is the English language at its best.

    Even Faber, converted to Roman Catholicism seems to look back to it with longing when he writes “who will say that the uncommon beauty and marvellous English of the Protestant Bible is not one of the great strongholds of heresy in this country? It lives on the ear like music that can never be forgotten,like the sound of church bells,which the convert scarcely knows how he can forego. Its felicities seen often to be almost things rather than words.

    It is part of the national mind,and the anchor of the national seriousness. Nay, it is worshipped with a positive idolatry, in extenuation of whose fanaticism its intrinsic beauty pleads availingly with the scholar. The memory of the dead passes into it. The potent traditions of childhood are stereotyped in its verses.

    It is the representative of a man`s best moments; all that there has been about him of soft,and gentle,and pure,and penitent,and good, speaks to him forever out of his English Bible. It is his sacred thing,which doubt never dined and controversy never soiled; and in the length and breadth of the land there is not a Protestant with one spark of religiousness about him whose spiritual biography is not in his Saxon Bible.”

    Another good point about the version was its rendering of the peculiar Hebrew idiom of repetition of words for emphasis; not that all these were peculiar to the Authorized Version; some had been in previous versions. Examples are Gen.2:16 “thou mayest freely eat (margin “eating thou shalt eat”); Gen.2:17″thou shalt surely die”(margin”dying thou shalt die”); Isa.24:20″the earth shall real to and frot'(Heb.”staggering shall stagger”); Isa.26:3″perfect peace” (margin”peace, peace”).

    The one great weakness of the version was its deliberate translation of the same word in the original by different words in the translation. It was this which added greatly to the Musical rhythm of the language but,on the other hand, it obscured the Meaning often and likewise sometimes failed to bring out rhetorical points made in the original.

    Examples are:–

    (1) The use of the word. rendered “destroy” in Rom 6:6 which is used 27 times in the New Testament and rendered in 17 different ways e,g.Ron,3:3 “make void”‘ 1 Cor.l:28″bring to nought”, 2 Cor.3:13 “abolish” etc..

    (2)Luke 7:50 and Luke 17:19 where the same word is rendered “saved” in one case and “made whole’s in the other.

    (3) 1 Cor.3:17 “If any man defile the temple of God him shall God destroy” where both “defile” and “destroy” are exactly the same in the Greek thus taking all the sting out of the apostle’s deliberate use of the same word. The publication of the King James Version by no means put an end to the translation of the Bible.

    As early as 1653 a bill was brought before the Long Parliament urging the investigation of the advisability of a further translation. This would undoubtedly have been carried out but for the dissolution of the Parliament and the commencement of the civil war. At the beginning of the 18th century Dr.John Mill published his edition of the Greek New Testament.

    This was the first Greek Testament which made any real attempt to give a critical apparatus of variant readings on which scholars could base their ideas as to the correct text. This fresh scholarship produced a flood of translations both in prose and verse. The translations were along the same line as the change in English literature during the period, some colloquial and some in the more dignified style of the day.

    Brief mention may be made of four of those:

    New Testament translation by Mace in 1729. This was intended to be correct and based on the best MS., but also to break away from the traditional language and phrasing. Examples of its renderings are 1 Cor,7:36 “If any man thinks it would be a reflexion on his manhood to be a stale bachelor”; 1 Cor,13:4 “Social affection is patient, is kind”,

    John Wesley`s New Testament published in 1755.

    It was published with notes “for plain unlettered men who understand only their Mother Tongue”
    It is a good rendering midway between familiarity and stiffness. His rendering of part of 1 Cor.l3 is as follows —”Love suffereth long and is kind; love envieth not; love acteth not rashly,is not puffed up: doth not behave indecently,seeketh not her own,is not provoked, thinketh no evil….When I was a child,I talked as a child,I understood as a child,I reasoned as a child; but when I became a man I put away childish things. And now we see by means of a glass obscurely.”

    A “New and Literal Translation” was published in 1764 by a Quaker named Anthony Purver.

    Examples of the rendering — Song of Solomon 2:12 — “Earths lap displays her infant flowers,the warbling spring is welcomed in, and hark how the turtle dove cooes in our clime”. Matt.5:40-“And let him that will sue thee,and take thy coat,have also the waistcoat.” The Lord`s Prayer—”Thus therefore do you pray: Our Father who art in heaven, sacredly reverenced be Thy Name; let Thy kingdom come; may Thy will be done, even on earth according as in Heaven; give us our daily bread today; and forgive us our trespasses, as we also forgive those that trespass against us; and do not bring us into trial, but deliver us from wickedness; since the kingdom, power, and glory is Thine forever, so let it be.”

    A Translation by Dr.Edward Harwood in 1768.

    Its title declared it to be “A Liberal Translation of the New Testament; Being an Attempt to translate the Sacred Writings with the same Freedom, Spirit and Elegance with which other English Translations from the Greek Classics have lately been executed.” It was the style of the philosophers and learned writers of the day.

    One example is suffieient,the Lord’s Prayer — “In order to guard you from mistakes in this important concern I will propose the following as a model for your devotions — 0 Thou great governour and parent of universal nature — who manifestest thy glory to the blessed inhabitants of heaven — may all thy rational creatures in all parts of thy boundless dominion be happy in the knowledge of thy existence and providence, and celebrate thy perfections in a manner most worthy of thy nature and perfective of their own.

    May the glory of thy moral government be advanced,and the great laws of it be more generally obeyed. May the inhabitants of this world pay as cheerful submission and as constant an obedience to thy will, as the happy spirits do in the regions of immortality — As Thou hast hitherto most mercifully supplied our wants, deny us not the necessaries and conveniences of life.

    While Thou art pleased to continue us in it — Pardon the numerous errours and sins,, which we have been guilty of towards Thee; as we freely forgive and erase from our heart the injuries that our fellow creatures have done to us — Suffer no temptation to assault us too powerful for the frailty of our natures and the imperfection of our virtue — but in all our trials may thine almighty aid interpose and rescue us from vice and ruin — These requests we address unto Thee, for Thou art possessed of power which enables Thee to succour, and of goodness, which disposes to befriend all thy creatures and these thy glorious perfections will continue irriutable,and be the subjects of praise and adoration throughout all the ages of eternity! Amen”

    f. The Revised Version.

    As has been mentioned previously,revision of the Bible was always in the air but there were, among others, four principle reasons for the final proposal for a Revised Version. Those were:-
    1.the discovery of many more ancient MSS since the time of Tyndale and the ,Authorized Version, earlier MSS than they had access to;
    2.the possibility of greater access to the writings of the ancient Fathers and the ability to make more use of them;
    3.the finding of better methods to enable scholars to discover the actual text of the biblical writers;
    4.the fact that many of the English words in the Authorized Version were out of date.

    Forerunners of the actual promulgation of the Revision were Henry Alford and Conybeare and Howson with their learned commentaries and translations of the New Testament and the Epistles of Paul respectively.

    Nothing was actually done in connection with the Revision until February 1870 when a resolution was moved in the Upper House of Convocation in the Province of Canterbury that a Committee of both Houses be appointed, together with one appointed by the Convocation of the Province of York to investigate the matter.

    The Convocation of York deplored the revision and would not cooperate. The other Committee met on 24th March and reported to the Upper House in favour of the Revision. The report was carried unanimously. The report was also presented to the Lower House who endeavoured to keep the work of revision exclusively in the hands of Anglicans.

    This was defeated and no Anglican scholars were invited to cooperate. Actually this was
    the first time in the history of the English Bible that scholars not belonging to the Anglican Church had been invited to take part in the work.

    The new Committee met on 25th May and decided to form two companies, one for the Old Testament and one for the New. They decided to lay down the following principles for the works:-

    “To introduce as few alterations as possible into the Text of the Authorizod Version, consistently with faithfulness.
    1.To limit as far as possible, the expression of such alterations to the language of the :”authorized and earlier English Versions.
    2.Each company to go twice over the portion to be revised, once provisionally,the second time finally and on principles of voting as hereinafter is provided.
    3.That the text to be adopted be that for which the evidence is decidedly preponderating; and that when the text so adopted differs from that from which the Authorized was made, the alteration be indicated in the margin.
    4.To make or retain no change in the Text on the second final revision by each company, except two thirds of those present approve of the same, but on the first revision to decide by simple majorities.
    5.In every case of proposed alteration that may have given rise to discussion,to defer the voting thereupon till the next meeting when so ever the same shall be required by one third of those present at the meeting, such intended vote to be announced in the notice for the next meeting.
    6.To revise the headings of chapters, pages, paragraphs, italics, and punctuation.
    7.To refer, on the part of each Company, when considered desirable to Divines, Scholars and literary men, whether at home or abroad, for their opinions.”

    In both Companies most of the members were from the Anglican Church (though not necessarily Clergy) and in addition in the Old Testament Company there were three Prosbyterians, two Baptists, and one Congregationalist. In the New Testament Company there were three Presbyterians, one Baptist, one Congregationalist, one Methodist and one Unitarian (which incidentally caused rather a stir).

    The Old Testament Company numbered eighteen, and the New Testament nineteen. Later American scholars were invited to join and eleven were added to the Old Testament Company and fifteen to the New. Before the completion of the work all the surviving revisers were able to meet together and give formal approval to the whole work.

    The New Testament Company commenced work on 22nd June 1870 and sat for nearly ten and a half years. They met regularly for four consecutive days each month except August and September. They began work at 11:00 a.m. and continued, with half an hour break for lunch, till 6:00 p.m.. The average attendance was 16. The number of verses covered each day averaged about 35 and the work was completed on 11th November l880. The Old Testament Company commenced on 30th june 1870 and the work lasted fourteen years.

  143. Where’s your proof, pal? Here’s mine:

    Psalms 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

    10 In God will I praise his word: in the LORD will I praise his word.

    John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

    Mark 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

    • You have no evidence that the KJV is that version. By every right, I could use your statements to show that the perfect version is the Orthodox Study Bible.

      This is where your argument fails. Your total amount of evidence for your argument amounts to Scripture, with no proof that the KJV matches up to the requirements you set forth with Scripture.

      In fact, I have one where it is a direct MISTRANSLATION. In the Parable of the Prodigal Son, the following statement is made:

      “and the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me.”

      However, “portion of goods” is a horrible translation. The actual word translated here is “Ousia”, which means “Essence, or Substance”. The word literally changes the entire meaning of the story. No longer is the Prodigal asking for money or inheritance. He is requesting to receive his own essence: The free will or rational mind of a man.

      It is a story of mankind. In the garden, mankind received their free will in rebellion against God, eating of the forbidden tree. From this, they received the knowledge of, and ability to choose, good and evil. The older son is indicative of the pharisees, who “followed” God by the letter of the law, while the prodigal are those who strayed away, using their free will to rebel further against God. This rebellion led to their near destruction, but they came to their senses, and God, in His love, ran out to them on the cross.

      A mistranslation in the KJV leads to a false doctrine. The Scripture SHOULD be translated to reflect the wording, and not your personal doctrine.

  144. It cannot be the Orthodox Study Bible because it has yielded no fruit.
    There are no mistranslations in the KJV (the received English Bible. If there were it would certainly not be your private interpretation of the above. Its probably the saddest attempt I’ve seen in the last three months at finding an error in the AV 1611. You’re not exactly one to be asked about doctrine either (as a Catholic). Jess sayn’.
    If there is, as you claim to be smarter than all of it’s 47 translators combined, where, pray tell, is the perfect Bible in any language?

    • The Bible never guaranteed a perfect Bible in ANY language.

      Also, Greek Ousia ALWAYS means Essence or Substance. It was this term that was used in the Nicene Creed to say “of the same essence”, and in Christian literature, it has ALWAYS been used as essence.

      I claim to know Greek, and I also follow the Church which STILL USES THE GREEK.

      You got 47 Anglican translators? I got 318 Greek-speaking bishops in only one Council who discussed the meaning of “Ousia” and “Homo-ousios” for 9 months. Oh, and their original language? Koine Greek. Your English speaking translators versus people who spoke the language as their first language.

      Score:
      Vasily 318
      Joseph 0

      As to “yielded no fruit”, you been sitting in the refuse bin so long you think those green and fuzzy oranges are quality produce. How do the leftovers of the Roman Catholic Church taste?

      Yielding fruit does not translate to “became a hyper-fundamentalist whacko who wouldn’t change his mind if God Himself slapped him upside the head with an Icon and said ‘REPENT!'”.

      Yielding fruit means leading people to living their life in sacrifice and repentance, and in following Christ. Yielding fruit means visiting the orphans and widows in their distress and staying clean of the worldly pollution.

      I’m currently interpreting as a substitute for an indie-fundie church. As the interpreter, I cannot ethically voice my disagreement with the preacher while my hands are at work. But I will say that it is just walking into a building to sing some show-off music and listen to someone YELL AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS for thirty to forty minutes. I can get that on the side of the street.

      • The OSB has yielded fruit by changing lives and teaching people the historical church. That is fruit worthy of praise. The KJV is slowly losing its ability to be understood, and is not a perfect translation, any more than the 47 translators were perfect people. The 47 translators said that the KJV should be revised and that new translations should be made.

        So, are you smarter than the 47 translators?

  145. I’d like it better if Sculley would get saved.

    • I think you should leave the determination of who is and isn’t saved to the One Who has the power and authority to tell you to go to hell. Quite frankly, if God says “Joseph Armstrong, depart from me,” I doubt you will have any say in the matter. It is He who determines salvation, not the manmade KJV.

    • And yes, I say manmade because it is manmade. It didn’t come down by divine revelation. It came down by way of an adulterous king, bribed translators, and the Latin Vulgate.

  146. First, you should really recheck your history. Demonstrate one of the things you mentioned above about the “adulterous king [and] bribed translators” from a face of history, i.e., reliable primary sources.
    Second, are you saved? How do you know?
    If thou hast any thing to say, answer me: speak, for I desire to justify thee. (Job 33:32)

    • Considering that you consider every modern source of historical data to be infected by the Roman church, there really is no point in making an argument until you accept the same aleithousios of information.

      And I know I am being saved through Christ’s work in me. His love for me in bending me toward true repentance. Not some magic words I prayed some time ago. Not a creed. The path upon which I trod is the path of salvation, as guided by God’s servants, both alive and gone ahead. Salvation isn’t so easy as saying “Lord, save me!” Salvation is LIVING that out day by day. And until a person realizes this, they will never be saved.

      The cross is enough for salvation. The KJV is nothing but a very skilled translation of the Bible. Many parts were added to it, just like every translation. For example, the portion from I John 3:8-9 was added in the 5th century. You can be saved through any version of Scripture Christ decides to use to reach you. You can even be saved without a single written line of Scripture, as God did in the early life of the Church in places like the region of Lyons, and in Gaul, where there was no written language, but the Church still thrived and fought against heresy. It is God Who produces fruit, not a person, and not the works of that person like the KJV.

  147. Not all. Many. And it’s not just me.
    So you say we need to keep the law to be saved?
    (Romans 10:11-13) “For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. {12} For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. {13} For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
    According to the Bible you cannot be saved by anything that calls itself a Bible:
    1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
    You’d better start believing what the Bible says before Satan bites your tail off.

    • Hmmmm, Two can play at this game. The Scripture says, also, that you are not justified by faith alone, but by works WITH faith.

      And shall we forget the law because we are under grace? God forbid! We follow the law BECAUSE we are under grace!

      You can have your easy believism. I’ll take Christianity the way it was originally. No KJV, no indie-fundie “Do what we say or you’re going to hell” crazies. Joseph Armstrong’s version of Christianity is 100-150 years old. It wasn’t known to the Apostles. Therefore, it is not valid.

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