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Obama Makes Secret Deal With Iran To Allow Nuclear Production To Continue

| January 14, 2014

There is no bigger, stronger or more vocal advocate for the furthering of Iranian nuclear ambitions than Barack Hussein Obama. When Iran finally finishes building the nuclear bombs they lust after for much, the signature of the president of the United States of America will be on each and every one of them.

WASHINGTON – Key elements of a new nuclear agreement between Iran and six world powers are contained in an informal, 30-page text not yet publicly acknowledged by Western officials, Iran’s chief negotiator said Monday.

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Abbas Araqchi disclosed the existence of the document in a Persian-language interview with the semiofficial Iranian Students News Agency.

The new agreement, announced over the weekend, sets out a timetable for how Iran and the six nations, led by the United States, will implement a deal reached in November that is aimed at restraining Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

U.S. officials said Sunday that Iran would be allowed to continue existing research and development projects and with pencil-and-paper design work, but not to advance research with new projects. Araqchi, however, implied that the program would have wide latitude.

“No facility will be closed; enrichment will continue, and qualitative and nuclear research will be expanded,” he said. “All research into a new generation of centrifuges will continue.”

The research and development issue has been an important one for many U.S. lawmakers, who fear that Iran will try to forge ahead with its nuclear program while the negotiations are underway. At an administration briefing for senators Monday, members of both parties raised concerns about the centrifuge research issue, aides said.

President Obama on Monday again hailed the implementing agreement and appealed to Congress not to impose new sanctions on Iran, for fear of driving the country from the bargaining table.

“My preference is for peace and diplomacy, and this is one of the reasons why I’ve sent the message to Congress that now is not the time for us to impose new sanctions; now is the time for us to allow the diplomats and technical experts to do their work,” Obama said. “What we want to do is give diplomacy a chance and give peace a chance.” source – LA Times

 

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  1. Mario says:

    And the American people still believe in this President.

  2. Carol A. says:

    This is TREASON. This is DECEPTION. This is BETRAYAL
    of the presidential oath of office.

    Have we had enough of this phony, lying narcissist and his chief ‘advisor, Muslim-Brotherhood member Valerie
    Jarrett???????????????????????????????????????

    Well, Congress, this ball is firmly in your court. ACT!!!!!

    • TexasRedNeck says:

      Don’t forget Chuck Hagel he’s a muslim too.

      Congress is not going to do anything, they’ve had 5 years and haven’t done anything so far, why think they’ll wake up now ?

  3. Teresa B says:

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  4. Moonlit says:

    OBAMA KEEP OF ALL THE BAD WORK FOR ISRAEL!

  5. Teresa B says:

    http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/dan-joseph/petition-white-house-calls-public-schools-recognize-muslim-holidays

    Don’t say I didn’t warn of this a few yrs ago, it has already started with them demanding other things

  6. Ron Murphy says:

    If your Biblical understanding contradicts Biblical truth then something is wrong. It’s not the Bibles fault, the fault lies in you! I don’t care what you’ve been taught and what you have always believe the Bible is not contradicting. To say the Bride of Christ is the church is contradicting the Bible. It may be unpopular, but it doesn’t change the truth, never the less. Just because Paul used references as the church being a bride does not supersede Biblical scripture else where. Saying there is no more sea or saying their is no temple in her ( bride),Rev 21:1-2,9,10. This can not be the same as the saints in the millennium according to Ezek chapters 40-48, which describes a temple and the sea is still there, in the millennial kingdom. Ezek. 41:1,23 and Ezek. 47:8-10
    By saying the bride of Christ is the church, is contradicting the Bible. I don’t care if all the world does believe it , doesn’t make it so. You still can’t rightfully justify the contradictions.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      If you accept the saints as being the bride of Christ then you must also accept they are not coming back until after the millennium is over. That would perhaps be logical, but unfortunately if that is so, you are not mentioned anywhere in the rest of the complete Bible. But regardless with the evidence I’ve shown it is impossible that the bride of Christ is the kingdom or city spoken of in Ezek chapters 40 through 48.

      Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
      Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.
      Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
      Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
      Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
      Eze 41:1 Afterward he brought me to the temple, and measured the posts, six cubits broad on the one side, and six cubits broad on the other side, which was the breadth of the tabernacle.
      Eze 41:23 And the temple and the sanctuary had two doors.
      Eze 47:8 Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
      Eze 47:21 So shall ye divide this land unto you according to the tribes of Israel.
      Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

    • Teresa B says:

      Ron are you talking to me? Im sorry I have a hard time w the blue things, but I don’t see where this is connected to my posts. Remember I don’t always agree w something, I just do it for an FYI. Blessings to you,

      • Ron Murphy says:

        No, Sister. It was not a reply but a comment to all. If the Comment goes all the way over to the left, it’s just a statement made to the blog, if someone replies to it, then it goes under and indented to the right of the post. If a reply going to someone’s reply, it moves farther to the right until the spaces have move about three times then they go straight down. If a reply below is moved back to the left it goes to the comment above all the replies over it, to the one it was indented from.

  7. tommy says:

    has of yesterday(1-14-13) mid afternoon 5:00 local a new sky ship has appear,looking like cone of sorts made very loud thunderous(not jet whine) noise flying west of who or what it might have been is unknown I im sure it the lord of heaven keeping a close eye on all thing and listen to all government radio traffic being digital or analog,so I think HE well informed of planetary operations,so us believer can just sit back and watch the show until it time to go.

  8. Dan says:

    Just sit back everyone. Because , these things must happen. One wonders where the anti-Christ is in this.

  9. engineer says:

    Ok, so let’s get this straight… While Obama was being pushed as the best thing since sliced bread in 08, the majority of Americans that hailed him were ignorant and innocent? There were warnings, red flags, and sirens blazing everywhere then, yet we voted in a foreigner, a Muslim, young lawyer with the UN and Global elite financing him… Then, to add insult to injury, you whining drunks voted for him again against Ron Paul? I’m just trying to get perspective, mind you. So now, retrospecting, you are bravely denouncing your great savior as the puppet in front of the criminals, he always was? We (the People) are way late. The power you have given these servants of Lucifer (satan) owns us ten times over. America is history; Oh, and as the watchers were warning you every day for the past decade, what were you, ‘we the people Americans doing? What this article is saying years late you would not listen to years earlier. Lions and Lambs

    http://noisyroom.net/blog/2014/01/14/secret-deals-with-our-enemies-just-give-peace-a-chance/

  10. engineer says:

    Obama, Obama, Obama. That’s all I hear on this fhucking FORUM!! People, WAKE THE FHUK UP! IT’S DONE! There is nothing you or any FHUKING POLITICIAN CAN DO TO REVERSE THE PROCESS!! Make your peace before SHTF! The clock is in motion! God Bless! :sad:

  11. Gump reloaded says:

    On the contrary…..I’m the bride of Christ your the bride of chucky

  12. Moonlit says:

    Is everyone ready for the U.S. Dollar to collapse in April 2014, and will our pensions be paid out on May 2014?

  13. Ron Murphy says:

    So, you reject the truth and insult me. That’s your choice.

  14. STL says:

    Brenda: why do you keep picking on other people telling them that they are me, your just as bad as your husband yelling his insults at others, no wonder why you to get along so good with each other. Since Ron like beating people up then he calls it LOVE, are you actually co-dependent to your husband, both of you need severe psychological treatment.

    I have stayed of of this web site because of you two, it just got down to both of you with your sick ideas of the scriptures and forcing your beliefs on them.

    • STL says:

      Ron Murphy: Have you been potty trained yet, your so full of crap, we can smell it !

      • STL says:

        Ron & Brenda: You show how sick you think, and it show from the lack of education you both have recieved, you Virginia Hillbilliy’s, never ever finished grade school, and your our experts on the Scriptures?

        • STL says:

          Ron Murphy: If you want to argue or try insult me, go right ahead, but you need to get your head out of your a**, and find salvation in Jesus Christ before its too late, stop picking on others telling them they are me, if I have an opinion, I’ll sure tell you how I feel about you.

          I just love commenting to ” IF I BE GOD, YOUR IN GRAVE DANGER.” But I really like the one ” I’M SINLESS” that was the best one I heard all year from you!

          And now who believe in fairy tales, IF I BE GOD?

  15. Ron Murphy says:

    According to the Bible, the bride can not come until after the millennial reign or else the Bible would be contradicting itself , and I know better than that! So what does that do to pretrib doctrine shoots another big hole in it’s side. I know Ezek did not lie and I know John did not lie, the Pastors and false prophets lied. The church is not the bride, it can not be. It comes back with Christ to reign once it endures tribulation.

    • Corey Zimits says:

      Explain how the Church cannot be the bride. It’s not possible for the Church to endure the tribulation period. That would contradict Paul in First Thessalonians 1:10

      10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

      The Church will not endure God’s wrath. Also, where does Ezekiel or John differ with Paul’s teaching on the Church?

      • Ron Murphy says:

        The wrath to come is God’s fiery fury upon the earth that is not tribulation. Tribulation is the time of trial. So that verse in 1Thess 1:10 still applies to post trib. If the church is the Bride then she will have to come back after the 1000 years, because She is referred to as a city in Rev 21:2,9,10. It goes to say that she had no temple in her and there was no more sea. Contrary to her the city of the millennium, described in Ezek chapters 40- 48 does have a temple and the sea is still there. Look at my study, Bride of the Lamb one blog back.

      • STL says:

        Corey: Ron Murphy believes their two seperate wraths, one belonging to Satan, which is the 1st Wrath, then we have the Great Wrath which belongs to God.

        But I always believe God was in charge of this world and He’s making the finally decision about the time cycle of this 7 year Wrath?

        • STL says:

          Corey: But Wait I might be wrong. Ron Murphy said, ” IF I BE GOD,” maybe Ron believes he’s GOD, so he’s making up the plans for the Tribulation. LOL

    • STL says:

      Ron Murphy: Your opening comment, was stated incorrectly, as you said,” According to the Bible”, but it should of said, “According to Ron Muphy’s insane beliefs,”

      All you do is post your garbage and you think its written in stone! LOL

      Just love your comments, ” Ezekiel did not lie and I know John did not lie,” but we are not sure Ron Murphy does not lie?

      Your so full of crap, its coming out of your ears. LOL

  16. Lacey says:

    Glad to see you back ST L :)

  17. Ron Murphy says:

    Some people don’t love the truth. They don’t want it and they don’t want anyone else to have it.

    Luk_11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

    • STL says:

      Ron Murphy: You would not see the truth, if it was looking at your face, your so blinded by your own lies. LOL

    • Keep in mind ron , what you say is your interpretation only, everyone should read the word of GOD, AND ALLOW THE hOLYSPIRIT TO BEAR WITTNES WITH THEIR SPIRIT, NEVER TRUST ANY ONE, PROVE IT WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT

      • STL says:

        DM2: Right on, Brother!

      • Ron Murphy says:

        I’m roving t with God’s word , Dane. Holy Spirit bears witness of the truth. He is the Spirit of Truth. Interpret they way you want, Dane, it still doesn’t change what is said. It’s for a fact saying the bride isn’t coming until after the millennium. Not until God make a new earth, one without the sea. Now that’s what it says. If you want to make it into something different, that doesn’t change the truth one bit.

  18. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
    Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
    John saw the Bride coming down after the earth and heaven was destroyed and passed away and there was no more sea. Case in point just after the Great white thone Judgment described in Rev 20: 11-15 is when the bride came down. The fact that no temple was seen in her ,solidifies this can not be the church that comes to reign with Christ in the millennial reign as described in Ezek 40-48.

    • STL says:

      Ron Murphy: Your comment: And I saw a new heaven and the new earth, how can you say that you haven’t taken of your sun glasses off for months, how could you see anything? Your the movies star! LOL

  19. Ron Murphy says:

    God’s word will stand when the world is on fire!

  20. Ron Murphy says:

    Both seas are seen in Ezekiel so, they are here in the millennium.

    Eze_47:15 And this shall be the border of the land toward the north side, from the great sea, the way of Hethlon, as men go to Zedad;
    Eze_47:17 And the border from the sea shall be Hazarenan, the border of Damascus, and the north northward, and the border of Hamath. And this is the north side.
    Eze_47:18 And the east side ye shall measure from Hauran, and from Damascus, and from Gilead, and from the land of Israel by Jordan, from the border unto the east sea. And this is the east side.

  21. Brandi says:

    Ron,

    Not to be argumentative but…

    The Rapture is positively, absolutely, unequivocally, pre-trib.
    In Revelation 7:9 there is an innumerable multitude which appears, suddenly in heaven, before God’s Throne.

    The Tribulation begins, as the Rapture takes place, in Revelation 6:12, when Jesus opens THE 6TH SEAL. Tribulation JUDGMENTS don’t begin until the 7TH SEAL is opened, in chapter 8:1.

    So, who are these people? This great multitude? If you want to know, you’re in good company. The apostle John saw them, and also wanted to know.

    Verse 14 tells us “These are they which came out of THE great tribulation”.

    There’s ONLY ONE WAY to “come out of” the great tribulation, and that is to be raptured, as the tribulation begins.

    That’s exactly what has taken place here. These are the raptured saints which, collectively, make up Christ’s Body, the Church.
    Revelation 6:9 as Jesus opens the 5th seal, John sees under the altar [in heaven] the souls of them that were slain for the Word of God.

    At that point, he sees only souls.

    In Revelation 6:12, WHEN JESUS OPENS THE 6TH SEAL, a huge earthquake takes place, the sun becomes black and the moon red as blood. This is the universal sign that the Tribulation is about to begin, and the Rapture is about to occur, given in all three of the synoptic gospels [Matthew, Mark and Luke], and also the book of Joel.

    In Revelation 6:15,16 the church is Raptured, Jesus appears in the sky, those left on the earth try to hide.

    Revelation 7:9 this great, innumerable multitude of “All nations, kindreds, people and languages” appears suddenly, out of nowhere, before God’s Throne, and before the Lamb.

    A moment ago, they weren’t there.

    All of a sudden, instantly, they show up. This is what prompts one of the elders to ask “Wait a minute, who are these ? Where did they come from?” [like, how come they’re here now, and they weren’t here a moment ago?].

    In previous chapters [4,5 and 6], when John’s spirit goes up to heaven, he sees God on his Throne, he sees souls, he sees 24 elders, he sees the “seven spirits of God”, the 4 cherubim [living creatures”], and many angels, but no “multitude” [which implies people].

    The innumerable multitude, WHICH SHOWS UP IN HEAVEN SUDDENLY, IN AN INSTANT, is “clothed in white robes, and [has] palms in their hands”.

    Hello! They got hands! Physical hands.

    If they got hands, they gotta also have arms, chests, legs… Bodies!

    In Revelation 6:9 John sees only souls under the heavenly altar. In Revelation 7:9 he sees bodies. Human bodies, standing in white robes before God’s Throne.

    Glorified, resurrected, immortal bodies, as evidenced by the fact that, in verse 16, they “hunger no more, neither shall the sun light on them, or any heat”.

    Their new, transformed, immortal, glorified bodies are immune to hunger, heat or worldly elements.

    It’s at the Rapture that “the dead in Christ shall [their bodies] rise first”, then we who are alive and remain are “caught up” [Raptured] with them in the clouds.

    It’s at the Rapture that we don’t die but are transformed [our bodies are transformed], “in a moment in the blink of an eye” from corruptible to incorruptible, from mortal to immortal.

    To sum up, this innumerable MULTITUDE [the raptured Church] appears suddenly in heaven under the 6th SEAL. Tribulation JUDGMENTS don’t begin until, chapter 8:1, WHEN THE 7TH SEAL IS OPENED.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Bandi, you need to open your eyes, the wrath of God is what is starting in Rev 6:12, not tribulation. If you can see that Rev 6:12 as the rapture, then Matt 24:29 tells you when it was. And Rev 7:9 is after tribulation, just before God’s wrath. God’s wrath start in chapter 8:1, Tribulation begins in Rev 6:7, just after the black horseman, which signifies the abomination of desolation and the mark of the beast. The souls under the alter in Rev 6:9 coincide with the tribulation saints of the previous seal. then the rapture of Rev 6:12. And then the wrath of God. Chapter 14 and 15 says the very same thing.

  22. Brandi says:

    - just prior to Jesus appearing in the clouds [probably just seconds before], the sun must turn black [if it’s daytime in that part of the earth], the moon will turn red as blood, and the earth and its atmosphere will tremble, shaken by a great earthquake, there will be a huge meteor shower and the sky will split in the middle and roll up on each side like a scroll [Isaiah 13:10-13 , Joel 2:31, Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:24,25; Luke 21:25, Revelation 6:12-14].

    This will be THE SIGNAL, the “last call” for people on earth to “get on board”, repent and receive Jesus as Lord and Savior, BEFORE He appears in the clouds, removes believers from the earth, and starts pouring out his judgments on sinful, rebellious, unrepentant mankind.

    Hence, Joel’s admonition that, at that critical moment, “Whosoever shall call on the Name of the Lord shall be saved” [Joel 2:31,32].

    This will be their “last chance” to go with our Lord and exit planet earth before God’s wrath is poured out.

    Against this backdrop of total darkness [no sun or moon shining] everyone [believers and unbelievers alike] will see the triumphant, resurrected Jesus coming in the clouds with power and great glory. Come, Lord Jesus!

    If you’re not a Christian… if you’re atheist, agnostic, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, New Age, or anything else… I strongly recommend you give your heart to Jesus right now.

    • STL says:

      Brandi: This be explain over and over to Ron Murphy, what he can understand when your pride is full of garbage. Its impossible to see the truth.

      What you described in your 1st paragraph, has several event almost happening at the same time.

      1. sun black a total lunar ecilpe.
      2. the moon turn red, which is a blood moon.
      3. great earthquake in Israel which will be felt around the world.
      4. meteor shower hitting the earth
      5. the sky will split in the middle and roll up on each side like a scroll- this could be by natural or man-made like a nuclear bomb exploding

      If people are stubborn as Ron is, there will not relized what happening and miss their departure to heaven and will suffer more greatly in the tribulation.

      There is only one draw back the person needs to get to the point when Satan forces the Mark of Beast on you, then by refusing the Mark, you have proving to God that your worthy of him, but here’s the draw back.

      If you die from a natural event on this earth as earthquakes, meteor attack, or someone kills you, then you die in vain, because you never got the chance to refuse the Mark to prove your worthy of God!

    • John Jr. says:

      Brandi-STL,
      It’s beyond me why anyone would want to take part in any aspect of the 7 year tribulation period. If a Christian sees the anti-Christ appear and start a 7 year peace deal then you are in trouble. We all can read what signs are left before Jesus’ 2nd coming. It’s not rocket science to understand the rapture (pre-trib) but people want to make it that way.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Your right Brandi, you can open your eyes to see these are the signs of Christ appearing, but why can’t you see when it was to happen. Immediately after tribulation, not before. That when Jesus comes on the clouds!

      Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
      Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
      Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

      This is clearly the rapture in verse 31. When we come back to earth, with Him, we will follow him, no need to be gathered. The coming back to earth is at the near end of God’s wrath. It is actually the 6th plague, if you have eyes to see.

      • John Jr. says:

        This is the actual second coming when Jesus sets his foot on the mount of olives, not the rapture.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          That can not be until the very end of God’s wrath, when Jesus returns to earth to reign, John. The mighty battle is not a war, it will be short lived. And Christ will reign at the end of it. This is clearly shown in Rev 11:15 at the time of God’s last plague of wrath, the last wow, Rev 8:13.
          It is also viewed that way in Rev 16 also. The battle takes place in between the 6th and 7th Vial. It is don’t signifies it’s over. Study & compare Rev 11:15-19 and Rev. 1616-21.
          Rev Chapter 19 goes into detail of preparation and then the battle. The Marriage supper is going to take place here on earth. Those with white garments will not be naked as Jesus Himself states in Rev 16:15
          The city divided into three parts and fell, is when his feet touch the Mount of Olives.

          Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
          So, John, here is your prove, not my words, but the word of God.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Tribulation just happened when these signs of the sun , moon, and stars happen, Jesus just said that in Matthew 24:29. open you brains and read. After tribulation, forget about immediately for a minute. After tribulation people is when these signs appear not before.

        Mat 24:29 After the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

        • John Jr. says:

          What you don’t get is that there is the 7 year tribulation period, the last 3 1/2 is the “great” tribulation. Don’t just take verses out of context, all of Matt 24 deals with the tribulation. Go back to verse 27, as the lightning cometh…so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. So in verse 29 immediately after the 1st 3 1/2 years of tribulation will come the last 3 1/2 years of great tribulation. Keep reading, you’ll get it right sooner or later.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Jesus never called the 7 years, the tribulation period, only modern man does. Which is error and causes confusion. Only 3 1/2 years of trib according to Jesus. That’s what He said.
            You are wrong, John so I ask that you look closer.
            Jesus said that at the time of the abomination is when trib states. Let’s see what He said:

            Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
            When was Jesus referring to, John? That is the main point here. We have to go back to the when was told, for the previous verses cover what must be don’t at that time, the time of their flight.
            Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
            This is the” for then”, Jesus was referring to, John. If we go to Daniel we see this Abomination happens at the middle of the 7 years, not at the first. So that’s saying we only have 3 1/2 years of tribulation of those days. Here is the verse in Daniel.

            Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

          • John Jr. says:

            Post-tribulation Problems

            One of the strengths of the pre-trib view is that it is better able to harmonize the many events of end-time prophecy because of the above distinctions. There are some awkward difficulties with the post-tribulational view:

            1) The post-tribulation view requires that the church be present during the 70th week of Daniel (Daniel 9:24-27), even though it was absent from the first 69. This is in spite of the fact that Dan 9:24 indicates that all 70 weeks are for Israel. We believe the church must depart prior to the 70th week, before the final seven-year period (see our briefing package, Daniel’s 70 Weeks, for further study).

            2) The post-tribulation view denies the New Testament teaching of imminency–that Christ could come at any moment–since there are intervening events required in that view. We believe there are no signs that must precede the Rapture.

            3) The post-tribulation view has difficulties with who will populate the Millennium4 if the Rapture and the Second Coming occur at essentially the same time. Since all believers will be translated at the Rapture and all unbelievers are judged, because no unrighteous shall be allowed to enter Christ’s Kingdom, then no one would be left in mortal bodies to start the population base for the Millennium.

            4) Similarly, post-tribulationism is not able to explain the sheep and goats judgment after the Second Coming in Matthew 25:3- 46. Where would the believers in mortal bodies come from if they are raptured at the Second Coming? Who would be able to enter into Christ’s Kingdom?

            5) The Bride of Christ, the church, is made ready to accompany Christ to earth (Revelation 19:7-8, 14) before the Second Coming, but how could this reasonably happen if part of the church is still on the earth awaiting the Second Coming? If the Rapture of the church takes place at the Second Coming, then how does the Bride (the church) also come with Christ at His Return?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            #1 what does the 70 weeks got to do with the church departing? The Bible sure doesn’t say anything about that! If you believe that, then it’s because you been told that by some bodies imagination.
            #2 Just because you believe something does not validate it. 2Thess says the antichrist must be revealed and a falling away must occur first before the rapture. The tribulation is that falling away, according to Paul in 2Thess 2:9-12
            #3 It is very clear according to scripture who will populate the kingdom. The saints and Christ will populate the spiritual aspect of that kingdom age The 144000 will populate the carnal aspect of the Kingdom. Being the reason for their numbers 12k to each tribe to divide the land of Canaan to each tribe according to their inheritance. The ones God had mercy on will populate the other nations. It does matter who’s right about trib this is Biblical. That is why they are called first fruits, Rev.14:4. First fruits of the kingdom age.
            #4 this one you are partly right, Post tribbers have missed the mark on this one. We will not be raptured at the 7th trumpet The rapture is before the trumpets even start to blow, which is just after the rapture occurs. Just as it was in Noah’s day, When he went into the ark of safety, the rain came, but this time it’s fire, and the trumpets are the fire of God’s wrath, not the tribulation period.
            #5 Not the bride, but yes the saints will be in heaven, raptured just before God’s fire comes on the earth, after tribulation. That is evident that they are seen multiple times in heaven , and they came out of Great tribulation and over came the beast and his mark. We will return from heaven to reign with Christ, for 1000 years, Rev 20:4. The rest of the dead will be judged after the 1000 years, Rev 20:5,6.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            #4 sheep and goats are judged at the end of the millennium, only martyrs and raptured saints that suffer the tribulation, will reign in the millennium. That just before the bride comes down from heaven, the holy city, prepare by Jesus, to be the bride of Christ. I go to prepare a place for you. We are the body not the bride, The bride is for us to reign in. We will be one with her, forever.

            Rom_8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

            Php_1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

            1Th_3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.
            These People died for God, daily! Many martyrs in their days. The early rain!

            2Ti_2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

            Heb_11:25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

          • Ron Murphy says:

            1Th_3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.
            These People died for God, daily! Many martyrs in their days. The early rain!
            So then was these people appointed to wrath?
            But was not Paul speaking to these same, when he said not appointed to wrath? Not only, the same people, but the same letter!

            1Th_5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
            Tribulation is not God’s wrath.

          • STL says:

            Ron Murphy:

            If the Tribulation is not God’s wrath then whose Wrath is it?

          • STL says:

            Ron Murphy: are you hearing message literal from God again. LOL

          • STL says:

            Ron Murphy: God calls it Jacob Trouble and its God’s wrath against the unrighteous, the unrighteous exist in the 1st half, and also in the 2nd half of this 7 year period. So all of these 7 years are God’s Wrath, as its stated in Romans 5:9 we will not endure the wrath.

  23. Teresa B says:

    I know all this is in Scripture, and frankly am glad I am on the downside of life, I don’t see myself doing w with the new technology!

    http://www.infowars.com/the-virtual-society-is-being-built-refining-the-matrix/

  24. Teresa B says:

    Eric Stakelback CBN on our tax money going to Palestine

    http://www.cbn.com/tv/3024720609001

    • STL says:

      Teresa: Maybe you can give more data on the cashless system. Chase Bank that hold my money sent me a new ATM card, in the pamphet it said now my information of my ATM, Visa, Master Card is in the one card. And they said, soon my medical and any data will be on this card system, even my paper work on housing etc.

      So it seem we are soon heading to a cashless system?

    • STL says:

      Teresa: What taxes you pay, your retired on SSA?

      • Teresa B says:

        STL I would get out of Chase I read about them limiting cash withdrawels a lot. I don’t know on my SS, I don’t get that much, I have the most taken out I can. Have a good day Blessings to you

  25. STL says:

    John Jr: Took a break? I believe in the scripture in 1st Cor. 15: 51- its a Mystery!

    I believe in the confusion of a meteor attack, moon turning red, sun total eclipes, possible Israel attacking Syria with a nuclear bomb will cause the sky to look like its split apart, in all this the Rapture occurs which we simply disappear, will cause alot of more confusion, in which ewould be a mystery to the unrighteous ones and a mystery to all the parents that there children simply diappeared!

    But still we will not actually see the ANTICHRIST appear on world stage, but might get some idea who he is, before these events happen?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Teresa, it’s because we put it away from us, as if we say anything it might come on us. Well, it’s coming anyway. America, get ready.

      Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

  26. STL says:

    John Jr: Ron stubborness to see the truth. As in the rapture in 1st Thess. 4 : 17 show Jesus stay in the air (atmoshere) but in the secong coming Jesus sets both feet on Mount Olives.

  27. STL says:

    Ron Murphy: Please explain it in clear english if that possible from you, why would Jesus come twice ?

    In 1st Thess. 4:17 Jesus is in the atmosphere. Then at the end of the Tribulation, he sets both feet on Mount Olives?

    • STL the Rature of the bride of CHRIST,
      Then at the end of trib , CHRIST sets his feet upon the mount of olives, and rules.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        I can’t make you drink, I can only lead you to the water. Jesus doesn’t come to earth until about the 6th plague at the battle of Armageddon That what it says in Rev 16:12-17 and Rev 19:11-21. Matthew 24 says nothing of him coming to earth, but rather they seen him and run mournfully and went and hide, not fighting. The wrath made them angry and they gathered to fight at it end of His wrath.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
          Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west,

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Why is it everyone is blind to the fact that Armageddon is after the 6th plague of God’s wrath. Rev 16:12-17. These plagues of wrath is why men’s hearts were failing them, for the fear of them coming upon the earth.

            Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
            Luk 21:26 Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
            Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
            Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
            Luke21:28= Luke 21:25, not before

          • Ron Murphy says:

            This passage coves it to perfection, if you have eyes to see.
            Jesus said these signs come to pass, and mans hearts falling because of them, and then everyone will see Him appear, and then we will be redeemed.
            He could not of been more clear.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

            Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

            Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
            Does sound like they are running and hiding as before, people, these are different times.

      • STL says:

        Please Dane explain the difference in time period and the different events?

        1st Thess 4:17 Jesus come for the dead then who is alive at that time both go up in the atmosphere (air) meet Jesus and will be with him forever.

        Then in the 2nd Coming Jesus comes in the clouds, at the end of the tribulation he set both feet on Mount Olives.

        And when he does come to earth, he bring all the saints, angels with him. If we did not go up in the Rapture before the 7 year tribulation, how did we end up in heaven in the first place, to come back with Jesus, as saints and with the angels at the end of the tribulation?

        When Jesus comes to the earth, its the 2nd coming, if we believe the Rapture is at the end of the Tribulation, then it would be Jesus 3rd Coming?

        Because Jesus 1st coming was His birth on earth, then if he comes in the air, then that’s his 2nd coming, then when he sets his feet on Mount Olives, that would be his 3rd coming?

        Also at the end of the Tribulation the souls of the dead christians are under the alter while they are told to wait.

        Now at that time their is only dead christians waiting rapture, then is no meantion of any alive people waiting to be rapture at that time, so where are the alive ( living) christians?

  28. Why do you consider Iran an enemy of the US?

    See: U.S. Senators Are Nearly All Stooges for Israel
    http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2014/01/us-senators-are-nearly-all-stooges-for.html

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Because Iran is an enemy of our close ally, Israel. Iran persecutes Christians. Hey!!! That’s us!

      • engineer says:

        Then explain this video Pastor!! Even Iran believes Jesus is coming back again soon. :roll:

        • engineer says:

          Makes you wonder what’s going on in closed doors with the PTB Elite. Obamacare was a secret deal. Agenda 21 was a secret deal. The Federal Reserve was a secret deal. The IRS was a secret deal. The Cold War was the result of a secret deal. The German Nazis that were brought in via Operation Paperclip to form the CIA, NASA and the biological weapons program was a secret deal. The Trans-Pacific Partnership Treaty was a secret deal. The current treaty with Iran over her nuclear weapons program was a secret deal….read morehttp://www.omegashock.com/2014/01/15/secret-deals/

        • Ron Murphy says:

          All Muslims believe that Jesus will appear, but not as King of kings and Lord of lords, but as a prophet to Mahdi. Do you not know that the antichrist will be king of Persia. Dan 11:2

  29. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
    Rev 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
    Rev 8:9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
    Rev 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

    • Ron Murphy says:

      I find no mention of fire from God in the tribulation period. God’s wrath consist of mostly fire as it was on Sodom and Gomorrah. This doesn’t happen until the trumpet plagues. Tribulation is the war of the antichrist against the saints, Rev. 13:7. By the time of the trumpets, tribulation is over and the rapture has occurred, at the 6th seal, when the sun and moon darken, according to Matt 24:29. So it’s easy to read: tribulation , rapture , and wrath of God. It’s that simple. These are seen in Rev 6:9 and Rev 14:13 for tribulation, Rev 6:12 and Rev 14:14 for the rapture, and Rev 6:17 and Rev 14:16-19 for the wrath of God.
      To better clarify this Rev chapter 8, 9 ,11 and Rev chapter 16 are God’s wrath in detail. In between them we see the saints in heaven just after the rapture occurs, Rev 7:14 & Rev 15:2. That should be clear to those brave enough to study it.

  30. engineers says:

    Makes you wonder what’s going on in closed doors with the PTB Elite. Obamacare was a secret deal. Agenda 21 was a secret deal. The Federal Reserve was a secret deal. The IRS was a secret deal. The Cold War was the result of a secret deal. The German Nazis that were brought in via Operation Paperclip to form the CIA, NASA and the biological weapons program was a secret deal. The Trans-Pacific Partnership Treaty was a secret deal. The current treaty with Iran over her nuclear weapons program was a secret deal….read more here.
    http://www.omegashock.com/2014/01/15/secret-deals/

  31. tommy says:

    this rapture thing is alien for you and if you pray it’ll be reveal,as the lord of heaven doesn’t love everyone and will only save those who pray for wisdom,knowledge and understanding those of you who on regular base bite and fuss and continually argue what make you think he’ll reveal this secret unto you.you’ll be let behind and forgotten,but I guess if you need a little milk it my job to give it unto you.understand Isaiah 30:17,18.now if you read and understand pray that whatever error that you might have in your life be removed has you have no power unto your own and are confounded easily my the events of the day.pray that these stumbling blocks be removed and that your life will be in order.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      The answer to that is just how much do you want it.

      Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
      Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
      Do you want it enough to believe His promise? Will you seek for it? Will you knock? Will you ask? And if He gives, will you receive? If you ask and turn to man for guidance, then you did not knock to God, you did not ask God, and you did not seek God. You will not receive of God, unless you, get it from God’s servant. Many claim to be His servant. Many are called but few are chosen. Seeking man is a risk of little chance. One must have patience with God, His time is not our time.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        To believe the lies of man, will leave you blind to see the truth. Let it all go and start over and seek God, only. He will not let you down if you trust in Him, only.

  32. STL says:

    Dane thank you telling the truth about the timing of the Rapture and the “nd Coning of Jesus.

  33. STL says:

    OOPS!
    “=2
    Coning= Coming

  34. As I see it he has totally turned against the very country that endorsed him as President. God will judge. Not me.

  35. As for the doctrine of the Rapture, I do believe scripture that we are not going to see the wrath of God. How everything is going to transpire we don’t have a full accounting of and we don’t know how Jesus is going to wind up doing everything. We have bits and pieces of what will happen. In case anyone has forgotten, we are to trust by faith that God will protect His own no matter what happens. So, I don’t think Father God wants us to quibble and split hairs. But, He does want us to love one another and trust HIM.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      I agree, Sister. But if one can take those pieces and put the puzzle together, it would be an awful thing to keep silent, wouldn’t you think? And especially so if God told them to teach it. I’m not trying to be condescending to anyone. We are all God’s children. Understanding could be a vital thing. The issue is extremely important. And you are wrong, either one side or the other is correct, not both wrong, or both right. The wrong is doing injustice and the correct is doing justice. This argument is even more vital if the rapture is after the tribulation, as there will not be another opportunity for the world.

      • STL says:

        Ron Murphy: You really made me laugh, ( LOL) I’m not trying to be condescending, that the biggest lie you have said on this web site yet!

        Then you tell her she wrong!

        And that’s not consecending? LOL

        Ha, Ha, Ha!

    • Birdie says:

      Thank you Cheryl for posting this. I think about how everyone is going back and forth on here all the time. My brain is on information overload. When you were talking about the fighting this verse came to mind
      1Cr 1:10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        That was for a church that was taught the truth. How can one expect to join to lies and heresies? Na!
        But rather contend for the truth.

        Jud_1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

  36. tommy says:

    wow what bickering,now listen other than name calling and slandering one another,just do this.admit your a sinner(first sign of wisdom).second pray for wisdom,knowledge and understanding).if yee want to know something of a importantance pray yee also for what yee need of.and it will be reveal but most of all lay down your pride and ego if yee pray and the father knows of your two earthly sins he will hold back such has yee are not worthy.also pray this”my father I am in much error and cant not excape on mine own of these sins and if there is any error in my life I cant correct it on my own”by this praying you say that your helpless in your sin and ask for guidance, he will have mercy on you and you’ll see things happen that you don’t expect.remember these idea’s and soon these faithless chat rooms wont seem so important and you can spend it with your loved ones as time is getting short.

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