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Obama and Kerry Giving Billions In Weapons To Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood

| June 7, 2013

The Muslim Brotherhood, which controls the Egyptian government, is illegally receiving bilions in military aid and weapons from the Obama administration vis Sec. of State John Kerry. So just in case you’re not sure what that means, it’s this: American taxpayer dollars are illegally being funneled to build the Muslim war machine in Egypt. John Kerry secretly waived the law in place to prevent this from happening, and the Obama administration worked to keep it hidden. Until now.

From Daily Beast: While employees of American NGOs sat in Egyptian prisons, Secretary of State John Kerry quietly waived the law that would prevent the U.S. from sending the Egyptian military $1.3 billion worth of weapons this year.


America, even Obama can’t believe how gullible and stupid you are.

Congress erupted in anger June 4, when Egyptian courts sentenced 43 NGO workers, including 16 Americans, to jail terms of up to five years for working in NGOs not registered with the government. Only one of those Americans, the National Democratic Institute’s Robert Becker, actually stayed in Egypt to await the verdict. He was given two years in prison. The other American organizations targeted included the International Republican Institute and Freedom House. All of those organizations had been operating in the open in Egypt for several years before the government raided their offices and forced them to flee the country in December 2011.

But what most in Congress didn’t know was that on May 10, Kerry had waived the restrictions lawmakers had put in place to make sure that U.S. military aid to Egypt wouldn’t continue unless Egypt made progress on its path to democracy, rule of law, and human rights. The State Department’s notification of Kerry’s move, which was never released to the public, was obtained by The Daily Beast.

The law that allows the State Department to give Egypt $1.3 billion each year in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) specifies that to get the money, the secretary of State must certify that Egypt is honoring its peace treaty with Israel as well as “supporting the transition to civilian government including holding free and fair elections; implementing policies to protect freedom of expression, association, and religion, and due process of law.” click to read the rest of the story on The Daily Beast

About the Author:

NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he has a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.

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  1. Terry says:

    You freakin traitors get more rediculous by the minute. Soon it will be over for the whole Obama admistration. Get ready.

  2. valerie says:

    Amen hes going to do away with congress soon.

  3. suez says:

    My question is…if we are so very far in debt, where do they get the millions and billions to send over there. It doesn’t make common sense, that we could even do it, if we are so broke!! It is all politics and war games, controlled by the NWO. Al lies, lies, lies!!! Can’t believe anything you read or here anymore. Just read the Bible, buckle up and pray!!!

    • Federal Reserve just prints out more money..that is where they get it.

    • TexasRedNeck says:

      We borrow it from CHINA !!!!!

    • Heather says:

      I believe it’s all about special interests, i.e., the “military industrial complex” and endless wars. You make money, arming both sides, every few years blowing off a lot of your own armaments that will, therefore, need replaced, leave foreign infrastructure in rubble, to make money rebuilding it, on and on and on. There are HUGE bucks in war, and very powerful special interests, with leashes on politicians and government bureaucrats. The old adage “follow the money,” that proverbial root of all evil, works all too often.

      As things stand now among the “powers that be,” everybody in the world could love each other, and they’d still have to have wars, on some pretext, stage a shootout to get things rolling, attack their own army in foreign disguise, whatever, desperate to keep the General Dynamics, Raytheons, GEs, etc., of the world making windfall profits. You’ve got to have some periodic bloodletting and mayhem to keep those killing machine wheels greased, don’t ya’ know? They’d attack themselves, if they could find a way of making a buck from it and surviving it!

      Some serve God, most serve mammon.

  4. We also give away billions to israel !! What do you all think about that?

    • I forgot to add that is every year they receive billions from us.

      • You have got to be kidding..right.They don’t pay it back.Do you really know about Judaism?Go read the talmud..pretty nasty stuff!!! I don’t like islam either.

    • NTEB News Desk says:

      I think it’s great that we support Israel. In fact, God used America to recreate Israel in 1948, read this: http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pages/israel/the-recognition-of-the-state-of-israel-1948.htm. Israel is our friend and ally, and we should always support them. The Muslim Brotherhood, who runs Egypt, are Islamic terrorists who are the sworn enemy of freedom in general and of America in particular. We should not give them one, thin dime.

      • I don’t think we should be supporting israel..but that is just my opinion.

        • Everything is just a scam.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Israel is God’s chosen people, we are because of them. We owe the Hebrews If it hadn’t been for them we would not have salvation.

          • Why do you think the jews are the chosen ones?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Because that is where the promised remnant is coming from, the 144000. They are the only ones picked for this remnant. They will be his chosen people once again, in the millennium.

          • Who has told you that they are the only ones picked? Where do we ,the Europeans, come from? Could it be that we are Israel?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Lol , you been watching to much you tube, sir.

          • Maybe you have been listening to too many 501c3 pastors!

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Not so! I talk to God personally, Because I listen. In no way in the whole life time will you or any angel of light convince me differ. I am 100%wholly convinced, God is real, and the only true and living God. Don’t need anyone to tell me otherwise. You can go on till your tongue falls out, won’t change a thing.

          • Ron,you did not answer my question..instead you just made a stupid comment.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Your questions are stupid.

          • why are they stupid?

          • dv says:

            Yes …we do make up part of the 144,000…not all the tribes are Jews. We are “jews” by being grafted in. virgins by coming out of the harlot church ( theeir are many…not just islam).

          • Okay so I guess the other tribes are us the europeans..so that would mean that we are chosen also.You all need to get off this “jews are the chosen ones” trip.

          • James says:

            You are wrong….The 144,000 are each from the Tribes of Israel…and they are all listed. Replacement theology is not biblical.

          • suez says:

            With all due respect dv, we would out number the number 144,000 by a long shot. And in my opinion, we as Born Again Christians, do not need to be sealed, we are already sealed! So why would we need to be sealed again??? “Eph 4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.” “Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise,” So can you help me to understand why we would need to be sealed again, since we are already sealed unto to the day of redemption??? Thanks

          • suez says:

            Gen 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will show thee:
            Gen 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
            Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

          • Ron Murphy, what do you think about this….
            From a series of speeches at the B’nai B’rith
            Convention in Paris, published shortly afterwards in the London Catholic Gazette,
            February, 1936; Paris Le Reveil du Peuple published similar account a little later.
            Many countries, including the United States have already fallen for our scheming. But the Christian Church is still alive…We must destroy it without the least delay and without the slightest mercy. Most of the Press in the world is under our Control; let us therefore encourage in a still more violent way the hatred of the world against the Christian Church. Let us intensify our activities in poisoning the morality of the Gentiles. Let us spread the spirit of revolution in the minds of the people. They must be made to despise Patriotism and the love of their family, to consider their faith as a humbug, their obedience to their Christ as a degrading servility, so that they become deaf to the appeal of the Church and blind to her warnings against us. Let us, above all, make it impossible for Christians to be reunited, or for non-Christians to join the Church; otherwise the greatest obstruction to our domination [Christianity] will be strengthened and all our work undone. Our plot will be unveiled, the Gentiles will turn against us, in the spirit of revenge, and our domination over them will never be realized.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            The Jew will accept the antichrist with open arms, yes they are evil. But not all the Jews will follow the game, they will be the chosen, remnant. God will destroy the wicked from among them.

          • Ron,how do you know that “not all jews will follow the game”?

          • Insulting Jesus on israeli TV

          • Ron Murphy says:

            They have insulted God many times, but not all Jews are bad. Are you a skin head?

          • No,I am not a skinhead..just somebody who has had their eyes opened.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            You need to close them for awhile and pray!

      • I have a question for you…what do you think about the israeli false flag attack on the USS Liberty ? They have done more false flags but let us focus on the USS Liberty.

    • Suzi Murr says:

      I think that is great because Israel is and always has been a friend of the US. Egypt was but is no longer. It is run by people who have sworn to destroy Israel AND THE UNITED STATES!

  5. I hereby withdraw my consent to be governed.

    • Tracy says:

      I think Lucifer is running the entire world right now.
      Just keep the faith, hold on, because Jesus is coming back for the true believers.
      Let the big guys laugh now, because the jokes is really on them unless they have a change of heart.

      • Joseph says:

        I agree Tracy. Lucifer is running far and wide.

      • suez says:

        Well he may think he is, but actually God is using the wicked for the day of evil…All going according to Gods plan!!! LOL Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. We are living in that evil day, and now God will bring his mystery plan together!!! Soon all will be complete!!
        Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Thousands turn out for Tel Aviv Gay Pride Parade
          Record-breaking 100,000 turn out for Pride Parade as Mayor Huldai lauds Tel Aviv as world’s most gay-friendly city.

          Insert from Jerusalem post, 6-7-2013.

          • This is sickening..what a bunch of perverts!!!

          • Joseph says:

            Evil increasing Ron! I had an interesting conversation with a retired pastor and his wife recently. He stated that a year ago he was rather unsure of how close to end times we were. He felt there may be a spiritual revival and America may shine again. However since the reelection of obama we are backsliding at a tremendous pace and we are indeed in the last days. Think about something..he is right…since the reelection things have gone from 50 to 100. Seems like obamas second term has pushed America over the cliff.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Yes, you’re right Joseph. Many think the latter rain is just before tribulation . I believe it is in tribulation, but the Lord also said He would pour His Spirit out on the Jews in the millennium. Time is ticking away at a rapid pace. As Mark said tribulation will be a dark time, but it is so spiritually, and also the days will be shortened.

          • suez says:

            #41 I never heard anyone say what the days would be shortened really means. I think that is something also that will be opened…I for one don’t know what it means, unless it is referring to Christ coming back and putting an end to the days, period!

          • TexasRedNeck says:

            Expect to see Tel Aviv suffer some major damage soon because of condoning this type of behavior, it may not be completely destroyed but I believe that God will allow it to be attacked.

          • suez says:

            #43 I agree Texas, something may happen now!! Soon!

  6. engineer says:

    Who likes a good spy mystery. It’s time to wake up and smell the coffee. God be with us all.


    Here’s some background music to goooo… along.

    • engineer says:

      I didn’t mean to instill fear in this post. Just to tell my fellow christians to accept Jesus Christ and declare the late hour we live in to those willing to listen. God bless.

      • suez says:

        No offense engineer, but if are fellow Christians, we have already accepted Jesus Christ!!! LOL :) God Bless you. Good chuckle you gave me!! :)

  7. People ask me “Why Christianity… why THAT religion?”

    Here’s my answer: No other world religion had a founder who said “you will be persecuted in my name”. The rest just say their way is the way. Nice ‘n’ easy.

    Christ said “take up your cross and follow me”. He died for us FIRST and we just have to die to our old selves for him.

    • suez says:

      A couple other good things to think on. No other gods have ever given up their lives for their fold. Our God did. No other god is alive, they all died, but our God has risen and is alive for ever more. No other god offers a free gift of everlasting life. Our God does!! All other gods, you have to work to be in their so called kingdoms. We can be with our God, because he shed his own pure blood for us, for our sins, that if we accept his gift, we can always be forgiven and be with him in HIS Kingdom!!! Praise to the ONLY Almighty one and only God!!!

  8. To the NSA goon reading this blog:

    You will have to answer to your Creator for what you are doing. We all will. The govt. job you have may be supporting you and your family, but in the long run you are cursing them by spying on fellow citizens. It doesn’t matter if you are “just following orders”. Watch Judgement At Nuremberg. Only you are responsible for your actions, and only you will be judged for them. The hour is coming when you will not be able to decide your fate any longer; make the right choice NOW while you still can.

    -NTEB Blooger Family

  9. engineer says:

    I think it was suez who posted on another post that you used the name Jesus instead of Yeshua. I read the post and wanted to share this video on the history of the name of Jesus (Yeshua). The letter “J” did not exist until 1349 AD, and still doesn’t in any of the Middle Eastern languages, the name of “Jesus” didn’t either! Our heavenly father knows every persons heart when they pray in the name of Jesus.

    • engineer says:

      Yeshua literally means Salvation. Amen.

      • suez says:

        I have no problem with the name Yeshua, but I am not a Jew! I am a Christian, so he is Jesus to me, and demons tremble at that name!! So you use Yeshua, if your a Jew, and I will use Jesus. If he doesn’t like that name, then he will tell me. So according to you, then we should throw out the King James Bible also!! I don’t think so. Wouldn’t the devil be pleased with that one!! All all of this stuff does, is makes people question the Bible, and that is what the devil is trying so hard to get completely away!! Isn’t it funny, no one wants the new version bibles taken away, nor do they argue about them. But those who hold to the King James, people would love to kill us and have killed people in the past centuries for it!! Hmm m, kinda make one wonder doesn’t it!!!!

        • There’s nothing wrong with a Christian calling Jesus by the Hebrew name, Yeshua. I can promise you he’ll answer to either. Btw, don’t berate the Hebrew language; we’ll all speak it in heaven. According to Acts 26:14 it’s the official language of heaven and also I reference Zechariah 3:9 which concludes that everyone in heaven will speak the same language.

          • suez says:

            Like I stated Dwight, I have nothing against the Name Yehsua, and I never said I have anything against my Lords given language. But right now I am an American, I speak English. My Bible is in English. I say Jesus. When I get to Heaven, God will teach me Hebrew, I would love to know it now, but I’m to old and dumb to probably learn it. So, I will hang on to Jesus!! My problem is a lot of these people who say these other names are studying with the Hebraic roots preachers. That I have a problem with, as they put people back under the law!! Over and out!! :)

          • suez says:

            Dwight, My maiden name was Osborn, just drop the e!! :)

      • Yes, you are correct. And in English, the language that I speak, the name Jesus also means Salvation! Why are so many English speaking people trying to hold onto a language that they cannot even speak nor understand without using one of those corrupt liberal concordances such as Strongs and Vines. God gave us his preserved word in English; it is the King James Bible! It’s the only book one needs. All others are just perversions of God’s word and leave many words left untranslated. (The NKJV is notorious for this). As for Strongs and Vines, they give you many translations for one word, leaving you to pick and choose which one fits best. This is confusion! God is NOT the author of confusion; Satan is!

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Amen! that is where the Holy Spirit comes in to lead us and guide us in all truth. That wasn’t a little truth, He stated, but all.

        • suez says:

          Have Ye Not Read,… it is becoming popular because of the Hebraic Roots movement sweeping the churches now. They put people back under the law. It isn’t a good thing. But there is nothing wrong with saying Jesus in the Hebrew language, but usually it is the roots people doing it!!! Jesus is good enough for hundreds of years, I will still hold to it!!!

          • Never said anything was wrong with it. I believe that God gave me his preserved word in English through the King James Bible and I simply have no need for having to learn another language just to understand God’s Word. If I do not believe that God preserved his word regardless in what language, then I make him a liar. I BELIEVE by FAITH that I have God’s preserved Word. English speaking people need to get this understanding because it is either you believe and accaept God’s Word as your FINAL AUTHORITY in all MATTERS of FAITH and PRACTICE, or you do not. For me, I do wholeheartedly!

          • suez says:

            Amen, Have Ye, I agree with you!!! :)

    • Levi says:

      I pray to the Father in Jesus’ name and He still answers me. I asked Him for His Holy Spirit in Jesus’ name and He poured it out in me. :) This is just for your information.

  10. johnjim says:

    With both the Middle East and America tanking, I guess we are all coming to grips that the party is almost over. Many conservative Christian websites are sensing that the rapture is fast approaching. Time to get, or stay, busy for Christ.

    • Oh man! I was gonna have siding installed on my house this summer.


    • suez says:

      Not quite yet: 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; this verse certainly can’t be for the coming of the Lord at the end, because by that time, it will all be finished. Just something to think on folks!! :)

    • Levi says:

      Amen John. He is gonna be there anytime. Get ready or be left behind to witness all that the evil on this world which is going to be so intolerable.

  11. engineer says:

    I believe you also stated that Sunday was the true worship day for a Christian. The Roman Catholic church changed the worship day from Sabbath to the day of Sunday. The day of the “Sun”. Are we to worship the day of the Sun or are we to worship the Sabbath day.


    • suez says:

      Christian “eighth day”
      Main article: Octave (liturgical)

      For early Christians, Sunday, as well as being the first day of the week, was also the spiritual eighth day, as it symbolized the new world created after Christ’s resurrection. The concept of the eighth day was symbolic only and had no effect on the use of the seven-day week for calendar purposes. Justin Martyr wrote: “the first day after the Sabbath, remaining the first of all the days, is called, however, the eighth, according to the number of all the days of the cycle, and [yet] remains the first”.[4] This does not set up an eight-day week, since the eighth day is also considered to be the first day of the next cycle (i.e., not the following day).

      A period of eight days, starting and ending on a Sunday or starting on a major feast day and finishing on the same day of the week a (seven-day) week later, is called an octave. For centuries these were a major feature of the liturgical calendar, particularly of the Catholic Church, and some are still observed, though the number of such octaves has now been radically reduced. Some modern churches uses also preserve the idea of an eight-day period, starting and finishing on the same day of the week, and retain the name “octave” for them; for example, many churches observe an annual “Octave of Prayer for Christian Unity” on 18–25 January or in the week that begins with Pentecost Sunday. Organizations such as 8th Day Center for Justice, based out of Chicago, Illinois, use the concept in terms of social justice as well.

  12. Vern says:

    You know what folks? As a born again Christian and Love God with all my heart and tell him so everyday I wake up, and know that he is real in my life cause he has had a many of times let me live when I could have died on the hospital bed 11 in all, in the Military, and just setting in my chair, if he was to come to me like he did David in the OT times and ask me: Vern I have a job I want you to do, it can take your on life but if it does don’t worry I will give you eternal life. Now that this world has lost faith in me and I will be returning one day to destroy it all, you Vern have a job that needs to be done. I want you to Kill your leader here in the USA.
    Now the question is would I do this? First I have to test the spirits, and after I know it was God asking me to do this sort of thing by Faith I would do it in a HEART BEAT. BUT Thank about it folks that is the way he did it back in David’s day, but today he died for us ALL as well as for Obama, even though he don’t know that or don’t care. So I just wait until he comes back with his Army and leave out of this World that Satan runs cause he and the rest that don’t call on God will be in Hell with him. Now Obama you might have your Lap Boys to read this and that will be fine, but I will stick to my GUNS and you might be better start to listen to the REAL GOD, even though he ask David to fight and kill, that don’t mean he want ask someone into days World, but I think he wants you handle you in his way. God Bless Our Fore Fathers America, cause we don’t have none today.

  13. Vern says:

    By the way folks Jesus was his name, like me Vern know what I mean? If anything we should call him Christ Jesus cause that is who he really is.

  14. STL says:

    I have a question? Did you know God died? But in the Bible says, God has ever lasting life?

    • suez says:

      His Son, Jesus Christ died upon the Cross and resurrected in 3 days. Jesus fleshly body died, His Spirit did not die!!! God the Father, never left his throne! If he would have the world would of stopped or blew up or who knows what!!!! G126
      From G104; everduring (forward and backward, or foward only): – eternal, everlasting.
      From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: – Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.
      Sorry STL can’t get me on that one either…Te He!! Just to let you know, someday your Flesh-man is going to die. Your spirit man will not! Your soul will not die. So you can choose to live forever with Jesus Christ in a wonderful New Earth, or you can choose to live for all eternity in Hell, with everlasting torment without God. Your choice. God doesn’t send anyone to hell, it is your choice to go there if you choose. He has provided a way that you can escape hell, by choosing his free gift, Jesus Christ his son, as your Savior. It is really quite simple. :)

      • STL says:

        But Jesus Christ is God from the beginning, as in John 1:1,14 and Philippians 2: 5-10, 2 Peter 1:1, John 8: 58, John 10: 30

        • Levi says:

          STL: This is how I understand. God is omnipresent. Is it too hard for Him to be on the throne and also on the earth at the same time? No.

          It is the flesh that sinned. Satan had an access to the soul of man through this flesh. It is impossible for Satan to attack someone’s soul directly. He is not allowed to take anybody’s life. It is only God and His angels at His command can take a man’s life. Now that we know the plan of Satan, the flesh of a man acts as a conduit between Satan and a man’s soul. He will make man to sin through the lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh and pride of life. When this lust is conceived it gives birth to sin and then when sin is done, it will bring death. So to conquer this flesh God had to send His only begotten Son to get rid of this conduit (flesh) so that there is no way for Satan to reach the soul on which is God’s inscription and not Caeser’s, aka the devil.

          Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

          • suez says:

            Amen Levi!!! :)

          • suez says:

            Levi, this is Steve…why is he doing this stuff??? Isn’t he a friend of yours? Maybe he will answer you. :)

          • Levi says:

            John 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

            If anybody is my Father’s friend, then the same is mine too.

          • suez says:

            I know that, but I meant he listens to you!! He respects you above anyone else here!! that is what I meant.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Sue, Steve is Jesus only in faith, He tried pulling me into that argument but I wouldn’t have it. I’ve been there and done that with my own family.

          • suez says:

            Well I fell for it, because I was dumb and forgot that STL was really P. Steve LaRue…:( You know you can put on a different outfit, but the inside is just the same old thing!!! :) I can’t believe I wasted all that time on his craziness!!! Oh well, hopefully God will send someone to benefit from all that good scripture!! :)

          • suez says:

            Oh, no wonder he never answered me when I asked him if he had been filled with the Holy Ghost and fire!!! Ha ha he he…lol :) Oh well, I gave him a lot of meat to chew on anyway!! :) I hope he chokes…LOL not really, I just had to say it…lol Bad Sue, bad…:)

          • STL says:

            Suez: Now your showing your true nature about yourself! I HOPE HE CHOKES ON IT!

            Everything in your comments are a joke. LOL

            I just ask you a question, and your temper rises, then you insult me!

            And your a CHRISTIAN?

          • suez says:

            Well, Stevie, at least I said I shouldn’t of said it. And, I also didn’t threaten to shoot you, like you did Ron…Remember that? Oh, how soon you forget all your little horrible comments to people!! So don’t whack on me. You have been the star of this show for bad comments Steve!! And that is a true fact!! And everyone here knows it! All you come on here for is to stir up strife. We all have so much fun and peace without you here, the fellowship had been beautiful until you come on. Boom, the spirit of the whole place changes. It becomes Strife and malice. The moment you come on, all peace leaves, and you start in on us. Maybe that’s what is really going on, do you think? You don’t come here offering anyone any guidance with scripture, or any encouragement in any way, to anyone. I really don’t think you know how. All most all your comments are strife and evil. I used to try and reason with you in kindness and in love, but you can’t reason with a person that is mental. You thrive on strife. Why is that? I have never seen any love of any kind come from you. You have been horrible to me and others here, even making rude sexual comments to me. That is NOT what a Christian does. So your fruit have proved what you are sir, and that is not a Christian. That’s a fact sir!! Sad to say.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            I don’t know if you understand or not , but Jesus only people are Pentecostal.

          • suez says:

            Well they are Apostolic Pentecostal… There is a difference between that and regular Pentecostal!! I was in a Pentecostal church for 5 years. They certainly believed in Father, Son, and Holy Ghost!! Apostolic is very different! :)

          • STL says:

            Ron: Your a crowd pleaser! To me, your just a boy, wet behind your ears! Thinking your know ikt all. I’m not ashame to say, I do not have all the answers. And yes! I believe totally in the faith of Jesus Christ. As you say you have problems with your own family, maybe there tried of your false teachings too? How many people have you help with your deeds than your mouth? Your really good with that big mouth of your by calling us liars and beliveing in fairy tales.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            I can’t help it if you believe in fables. You just need to learn better. The day will come soon enough though.

          • suez says:

            Ah, Stevie, if I remember right you stated that your wife isn’t a christian. That is what you said. So I wouldn’t throw stones at Ron! His wife IS a Christian!! And we can’t help what our families do. I also remember you saying you own dad died a unbeliever…Hmmm “How many people have you help with your deeds than your mouth,” Stevie? Judge not!!!

          • suez says:

            And your a devil pleaser! Oh thou spirit of strife and murder!!

          • Joseph says:

            Why did you disguise yourself Larue?

          • suez says:

            Probably so he could see if anyone was talking about him…which we weren’t!! Either that or he just wanted to again stir up strife, under a different name…LOL Who knows?? Kinda weird if you ask me, which you didn’t, but I had to say anyway…LOL :)

          • Levi says:

            Suez: I don’t control anybody neither do I desire. Everyone has the Spirit of God. If any man needs a correction or reproof, we are supposed to do that in brotherly love. I think that I have already done that from my side.

            Sometimes, I could sound rude because my poor English language. English is my third language here. It is very difficult for me to express my thoughts in words and often I am misunderstood. So I am sorry if you feel that I am offending you, which I hate to do to anybody. Please forgive me.

          • suez says:

            Well #1, I never said I was offended at you Levi. I am not, for heavens sake why would you think that. Please don’t because it isn’t true! :) I just thought if you could talk to him and ask him to stop doing what he does, maybe he would listen. But after thinking about it again, he probably wouldn’t…LOL #2 I don’t believe everyone has the Spirit of God! I would need scripture on that one! :)

          • Levi says:

            Thank you sister.
            What I meant by ‘everyone’ is that every Christian. Not again Christian for name’s sake.

          • suez says:

            OK, pheuu, that is better!! :)

          • STL says:

            Suez: Do you act this way with your husband? With your insulting comments?

          • STL says:

            SUEZ: Tell the truth, your not a Born Again Christian?
            Here comes your insults, WELL NUMBER 1

          • Joseph says:

            Larue comes back as STL and starts instigating trouble. Gees and we were worried something happened to you. Nope..same old razor tongued Larue. He’s baaaack! Lol

          • suez says:

            Levi, I didn’t mean anything by numbering my comments, I just wanted to keep them separate, despite popular opinion by some…I love you in the Lord Levi, your a real Blessing to me.

          • Levi says:

            Suez: That’s ok. I understand. I love you too in His Wonderful Name. You are a blessing too sister.

          • STL says:

            SUEZ: I really never met Levi, in person, so I’m not sure we can be called friend, but I’m sure we are brothers in Christ Jesus!

        • suez says:

          But your missing the point. His Spirit never died, just the flesh body that he took on when he came to the earth!! His Spirit is Eternal!! Got it??? Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
          Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. AND THE SPIRIT moved…. God was always a Spirit!! It was only when he sent his Son, the word of God to the earth in flesh form, that his flesh-man died, because he had to shed his OWN blood, not the blood of goats and bulls. Gods own blood. That is the price he paid for you!! And me!!! His OWN Spirit raised Jesus from the dead. So see, God Spirit was never dead, else how would he “the HOLY SPIRIT raise Jesus from the dead. His SPIRIT has always been, always will be from everlasting to everlasting….God himself NEVER DIED, only the flesh-man Jesus in the flesh died…AGAIN, his Spirit never died!!! “Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.” He will also raise up our mortal (flesh_ bodies too.
          Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
          Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
          Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
          Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
          Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
          Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
          Rom 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
          Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
          Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
          Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
          Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
          Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.”

          • suez says:

            Sorry to be so long, but this also is very important in trying to understand: 1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
            1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
            1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures;
            1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the Scriptures:
            1Co 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
            1Co 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
            1Co 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
            1Co 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
            1Co 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
            1Co 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
            1Co 15:11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
            1Co 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
            1Co 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
            1Co 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
            1Co 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
            1Co 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
            1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
            1Co 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
            1Co 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
            1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
            1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
            1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
            1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
            1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
            1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
            1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
            1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
            1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
            1Co 15:29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
            1Co 15:30 And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
            1Co 15:31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
            1Co 15:32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for tomorrow we die.
            1Co 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
            1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
            1Co 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
            1Co 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
            1Co 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
            1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
            1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
            1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
            1Co 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
            1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
            1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
            1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
            1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
            1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
            1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
            1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
            1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
            1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
            1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
            1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
            1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
            1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
            1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
            1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
            1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
            1Co 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye steadfast, unmovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

          • Levi says:

            Suez: Amen in Jesus’ name.

            2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

            The flesh that was born from Mary’s womb was seen and it was temporal and so it came to an end. So why Christmas? because to celebrate the birth of Jesus’ flesh? But it died as well. So your celebration died with it as well. But if you celebrate for the redemption of your soul IN SPIRIT (not in flesh: like having beer and partying), that Jesus was born in your heart then it will never end as He will never die; as He is resurrected never to die any more. He was resurrected with a glorified body. He was the first One to put on immortality.

          • suez says:

            Amen Levi, what a beautiful way of putting it. We get together for a family dinner, and have presents for the kids. But I myself do not do any decorations anymore. But I do take advantage of the family meal, because that is about the only time I can get my kids together, at holidays and Birthdays!! :) I even told my kids, that mommy and daddy were Santa. I never taught them about a fat little man in a red suit!! But unfortunately they didn’t take after me in that…:( they are good kids, but not living the Christian life!!! :( But I know, God will bring them in!! In his time and way! Praise the Lord!!

          • Levi says:

            Yes, the Lord will bring His sheep back into His fold and that is the reason He came to this world. He will look for them, night and day, He will search them out from the bushes and thorns, He will not leave them nor forsake them. Keep praying for them fervently, sister. Every drop of your tear the Lord collects it a bottle and He will not leave them unanswered. Amen. He will do a new thing. Just wait and watch; 😉 but do not forget to thank Him when He does it. :) I know you won’t.

    • suez says:

      Oh, I keep forgetting this is you Steve larue…Why are you asking all these questions. Aren’t you suppose to be a Christian? You should already know this stuff!!! LOL :)

  15. is john hagee a false prophet?

    check out his ‘coming 4 blood moon’ presantation @youtube…

    any comments are very much welcomed.

    • suez says:

      I myself have never been able to watch him. He has a large following. I just felt checked in my spirit to not watch him. A lot of my friends did, and just love and praised him…talk about separation…lol Anyway then one of his books came out and he said, the Jews have a different way to get saved than the gentile??? Oh Really? I haven’t read that in the Bible, have you? that is all I know about him really. Maybe others may add. :)

    • Ron Murphy says:

      A prophet, I wouldn’t go that far. But false never the less. The Bible talks one blood moon, and that is at the rapture events. It will not be predicted, not even Christ knows the day. Any body that gives a day is false. The moon turning red will be done because of abnormal behavior. It’s God’s doing>

      • thanks suez & ron.

        even Jesus don’t know the hour, how much more with us, but at least we know it’s near by the signs given to us in the Bible. there was only 1 blood moon in 1948, and 1967. but now 4?+1 solar eclipse. can NASA be trusted? who can control the stars and the sun?

    • Levi says:

      Did he prophesy that? I don’t know.

      • suez says:

        Hagee is NOT a prophet!! Never was, he is just a preacher…and a bad one sometimes at that…as far as what he sometimes says anyway.

  16. Wily says:

    Caroline Glick (jewishworldreview) has wrote an interesting article ‘wounded and dangerous’ that everyone needs to read! How does it tie in w/the article above? Read & see!

    note; Christians must understand the book of Romans & Ephesians. Things are about to get real ugly for us Christians. Satan knows his time is short and his arrogant pride will be his demise!
    How many of us would have a cross/fish sign on there rear bumpers? Is it a wise thing to have now? Before anyone says a word it should already be known how the early church was able to ID their brothers & sisters during heavy Roman rule! Those w/young families may steer clear of any ID’ing of this sort, those of us who have lived may want to rebel by drawing the heat away from those who are young w/families. It is not about us at all, the time to trust Christ Jesus is now with all our hearts.
    The only true love can be found in Jesus and His earthly (you/me) body. Satan is a phony as iron pyrite is gold!

    • suez says:

      Amen Willy, I have felt that way for a lot of years. I seen some bumper stickers and thought, that is neat maybe I should get one…Or maybe I should set up a Nativity scene in the yard…Then, the Lord checked me in my spirit, and I haven’t ever did it. Maybe this is why! If people would only listen to that still small voice that sometimes speaks, instead of just going our own way, we could be protected in a lot more ways!! Just my opinion. Anyway, how many bumper stickers or Natively scenes, actually have gotten anyone saved and born again?? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against a Nativity scene but it sure lets some know where the Christian lives!!! LOL Just saying!!!

    • Yeah it is going to be getting ugly for us Christians..and the jews will be leading the way to harm us

  17. Cutman says:

    I don’t necesarilly agree with everything John says but I don’t think that makes him a false prophet.For I dont agree with everything that anybody says.All I can say is read the bible and make up your own mind.

    • suez says:

      Cutman,,Yes, amen to that. He is not a false prophet, because he isn’t a prophet. He is just a preacher. But some of the things he has said have been under false teaching. that being said, that doesn’t mean he isn’t a Christian. For like you said, we can not agree 100% with any man!! :)

  18. Cutman says:

    I (BOLDLY) wear a cross around my neck and one on the back of my helmet,for I am not afraid to stand up for what I believe in.

    • suez says:

      No offense meant Cutman, but many non Christians wear crosses around their neck!! Satanic rock stars, ect. The Catholics bow and kiss them. They are just a relic. Jesus died on a wooden beam or cross. But there is no glory in the cross it-self, it is what Jesus did ON that cross that counts!!! That is the message of the cross, what Jesus did upon it. It is fine you wear a cross, but that doesn’t separate you from the rest of the crowd. It is what is in your heart and how you live your lift that counts for Christ!! Just saying!!

  19. Is it judgmental to tell someone they shouldn’t be sleeping around if they are single. I think it would be only if the person doing the telling is sleeping around himself. That would also be hypocritical. But assume a celibate single person says strait out to a fornicator they shouldn’t be doing it, as that lifestyle is opposed to the Gospel?

    • Cutman says:

      No, i don’t believe it is being judgmental to tell someone what the bible says, you just have to be careful how you word it so as not to (acuse)

    • STL says:

      Bilderberg Steering Committee has 16 jews serving which makes up 46%

      • No Jew hating on this blog! Wash mouth out w/soap.

        Cutman… Some people tell me I’m a “religious nut” when I’ve done it, but I tell them “so are you” because whether they admit it or not, they are worshipping the Devil through fornication.

      • Good point..come of think of it our whole country is run by jews.They direct everything from top to bottom,that is why we wreck.

    • suez says:

      Is it wrong to give them scripture about it Mark W.?? :)

    • suez says:

      It depends on if they claim to be a Christian or not! We can judge within the body, but not the Heathen, since they haven’t a clue anyway. “5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one no not to eat.
      1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
      1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

  20. I suppose it would depend… For the life of me I can’t fathom how people hook up and get between the sheets in 2013 America. Eternal destination aside, there are STD’s out there they don’t even have names for yet!


    • suez says:

      Yep, it’s incomprehensible to me too!!! If anything ever happened to my husband, and I would (but I wouldn’t) ever marry again. Before we got married, he would be going in for testing…LOL Even at my getting older age!!!

      • I’m still not clear if we can biblically remarry after a divorce. Jesus said you may put away (divorce) your spouse for infidelity, but the one who remarries commits adultery.

        Do I have that wrong?

        • Levi says:

          I may be jumping in a pit of hungry crocs now! Lol

          First, to divorce is wrong and to remarry is even more wrong.

          Malachi 2:16 For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the LORD of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.

          divorce = putting away in writing.

          Matthew 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

          However, judgement is the Lord’s. I don’t have any part in it nor would desire or rejoice to have any part in it.

          • suez says:

            Levi, did you know God was divorced? LOL Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. Just saying!! :)

          • Levi says:

            Suez: I often get that to hear but I always show them what God does unlike we humans: Just a little further from the same verse you showed.

            Jeremiah 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:

            He doesn’t go on to marry someone else. He waits for His beloved to come back. That is one another reason of trillions of reasons why He is God and we are just humans.

          • suez says:

            Yes, he is married to the backslider!! Thank God he draws them back!! :) I know that, but I just had to bring you that verse anyway…Te he :)

        • Tracy says:

          This is my understanding: if your wife committed adultery, you are free to remarry. You can marry a divorced woman, if her husband committed adultery or chose to leave her. She would be free to remarry as well.
          However, there is so much divorce and remarriage that I certainly don’t want to be the judge of these people. Only God knows the heart, and He does forgive.
          God Bless

          • “if your wife committed adultery, you are free to remarry. You can marry a divorced woman, if her husband committed adultery or chose to leave her. She would be free to remarry as well.”


          • suez says:

            Mat 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
            Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. I agree with what Tracy said, but let everyone be lead by the Holy Spirit!! :)

          • OK; so “whoever shall marry her that is divorced commits adultery”.

            Does the cause being fornication nullify that, then?

            The structure of the sentence in 5:32 has always confused me!

          • suez says:

            Ok, this is long but maybe will help you. It is from the Strong’s concordance: 1Co 7:1-9 –
            The apostle comes now, as a faithful and skilful casuist, to answer some cases of conscience which the Corinthians had proposed to him. Those were things whereof they wrote to him, 1Co_7:1. As the lips of ministers should keep knowledge, so the people should ask the law at their mouths. The apostle was as ready to resolve as they were to propose their doubts. In the former chapter, he warns them to avoid fornication; here he gives some directions about marriage, the remedy God had appointed for it. He tells them in general,
            I. That it was good, in that juncture of time at least, to abstain from marriage altogether: It is good for a man not to touch a woman (not to take her to wife), by good here not understanding what is so conformable to the mind and will of God as if to do otherwise were sin, an extreme into which many of the ancients have run in favour of celibacy and virginity. Should the apostle be understood in this sense, he would contradict much of the rest of his discourse. But it is good, that is, either abstracting from circumstances there are many things in which the state of celibacy has the advantage above the marriage state; or else at this juncture, by reason of the distress of the Christian church, it would be a convenience for Christians to keep themselves single, provided they have the gift of continency, and at the same time can keep themselves chaste. The expression also may carry in it an intimation that Christians must avoid all occasions of this sin, and flee all fleshly lusts, and incentives to them; must neither look on nor touch a woman, so as to provoke lustful inclinations. Yet,
            II. He informs them that marriage, and the comforts and satisfactions of that state, are by divine wisdom prescribed for preventing fornication (1Co_7:2), Porneias – Fornications, all sorts of lawless lust. To avoid these, Let every man, says he, have his own wife, and every woman her own husband; that is, marry, and confine themselves to their own mates. And, when they are married, let each render the other due benevolence (1Co_7:3), consider the disposition and exigency of each other, and render conjugal duty, which is owing to each other. For, as the apostle argues (1Co_7:4), in the married state neither person has power over his own body, but has delivered it into the power of the other, the wife hers into the power of the husband, the husband his into the power of the wife. Note, Polygamy, or the marriage of more persons than one, as well as adultery, must be a breach of marriage-covenants, and a violation of the partner’s rights. And therefore they should not defraud one another of the use of their bodies, nor any other of the comforts of the conjugal state, appointed of God for keeping the vessel in sanctification and honour, and preventing the lusts of uncleanness, except it be with mutual consent (1Co_7:5) and for a time only, while they employ themselves in some extraordinary duties of religion, or give themselves to fasting and prayer. Note, Seasons of deep humiliation require abstinence from lawful pleasures. But this separation between husband and wife must not be for a continuance, lest they expose themselves to Satan’s temptations, by reason of their incontinence, or inability to contain. Note, Persons expose themselves to great danger by attempting to perform what is above their strength, and at the same time not bound upon them by any law of God. If they abstain from lawful enjoyments, they may be ensnared into unlawful ones. The remedies God hath provided against sinful inclinations are certainly best.
            III. The apostle limits what he had said about every man’s having his own wife, etc. (1Co_7:2): I speak this by permission, not of command. He did not lay it as an injunction upon every man to marry without exception. Any man might marry. No law of God prohibited the thing. But, on the other hand, not law bound a man to marry so that he sinned if he did not; I mean, unless his circumstances required it for preventing the lust of uncleanness. It was a thing in which men, by the laws of God, were in a great measure left at liberty. And therefore Paul did not bind every man to marry, though every man had an allowance. No, he could wish all men were as himself (1Co_7:7), that is, single, and capable of living continently in that state. There were several conveniences in it, which at that season, if not at others, made it more eligible in itself. Note, It is a mark of true goodness to wish all men as happy as ourselves. But it did not answer the intentions of divine Providence as well for all men to have as much command of this appetite as Paul had. It was a gift vouchsafed to such persons as Infinite Wisdom thought proper: Every one hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner and another after that. Natural constitutions vary; and, where there may not be much difference in the constitution, different degrees of grace are vouchsafed, which may give some a greater victory over natural inclination than others. Note, The gifts of God, both in nature and grace, are variously distributed. Some have them after this manner and some after that. Paul could wish all men were as himself, but all men cannot receive such a saying, save those to whom it is given, Mat_19:11.
            IV. He sums up his sense on this head (1Co_7:9, 1Co_7:10): I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, to those in a state of virginity or widowhood, It is good for them if they abide even as I. There are many conveniences, and especially at this juncture, in a single state, to render it preferable to a married one. It is convenient therefore that the unmarried abide as I, which plainly implies that Paul was at that time unmarried. But, if they cannot contain, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn. This is God’s remedy for lust. The fire may be quenched by the means he has appointed. And marriage, with all its inconveniences, is much better than to burn with impure and lustful desires. Marriage is honourable in all; but it is a duty in those who cannot contain nor conquer those inclinations.
            I hope that helps!!! :)

          • Levi says:

            Just want to discuss about this verse.
            Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery

            Does this verse mean that it is ok to divorce or put away for the cause of fornication?

            In other words does He mean to say:
            But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife for any other cause than fornication does NOT cause her to commit adultery?………

            Just a question that came into my mind!

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Yes I think so, Levi. Paul said if your spouse chooses to leave then you are not under bondage.

          • Levi says:

            Could you kindly give me where it is in the Scriptures, cause I am not able to find where Paul says that?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            1Co 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
            1Co 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
            1Co 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

          • Levi says:

            Let us do some study here:

            According to 1 cor 7:13-15.

            The Woman is a believer
            The Man is an unbeliever

            The woman is asked not to leave him if he pleases to live with her.

            Now the unbeliever = the Man (in this case), if he departs, then let him depart.
            But does Paul say here that the believer (Woman in this case) to put him away? I don’t see that.

            A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases
            This can be understood in several ways.

            1) He/she is not in bondage of remaining unmarried.
            2) He/she is not in bondage of sin of being left by his/her spouse. Which means it is still a sin to divorce.

            I think 2) way is the right way to understand it because, here an unbeliever can do whatever he/she wants, as much as to even leave the partner but the believer has to stay, no matter what. This is the nature of the longsuffering God.

            Paul does not even talk about remarriage anywhere else. If it is there, then please let me know, I could be wrong.

          • suez says:

            I also know, it is not the un-pardnable sin!! If your mates cheats on you, it’s not your fault. The Bible say you can divorce because of that. And Paul says it is better to marry than to burn, also. “1Co 7:6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
            1Co 7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
            1Co 7:8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.
            1Co 7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.”
            I don’t believe God would punish you to be alone because of your mate’s sins! But that is just my opinion. but like Tracy said, find another mate that their spouse has committed adultery on them…Let each be lead by his Spirit his own way!! Thank God we are living under grace and not the law!! :) If this is a sin to marry even if they have commented adultery on you,,, then a whole lot of people will be going to hell!!! :( I don’t see it, but then I’m not God!! :)

          • Levi says:

            Don’t you think 1 Cor 7 is for the unmarried – virgins and widows?

            Unmarried: Because they are never married and if they marry for the first time, then they do not sin.

            Widows: If their husbands are dead and if they remarry only then they do not sin. Else, whether they are divorced or not, but if they remarry, they are under sin.

            Romans 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
            Romans 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

            This is what I see here. May the Lord’s Spirit lead each one of you according to the measure of faith given to you.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Tracy I agree with you, except if for any other reason than adultery or fornication, then it is a sin, but sins can be forgive by the sprinkling of the blood of the Lamb.

          • Matthew 19:4-11:

            4 “And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

            (Meditate on what follows):

            7 “They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? 8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.”

            (It was because of the hardness of ‘the people’s’ hearts. This was the Corinthians issue when Paul was addressing them in I Corinthians 7. They were being stubborn toward God).

            9 “And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. 10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry. 11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.”

            If a man put away his wife for reasons other than adultery, he causes her to commit adultery, and vise-versa. If she has committed fornication, which is permissable for divorce, then she is already an adulteress of her own doing? Don’t ‘you’ be the cause for one committing adultery.

            I hope this was helpful. God bless everyone.

          • I forgot to mention: Notice here in verse 8 that Jesus said unto them that it was “Moses” who had suffered the men to put away their wives. It pained Moses to allow this, and he only did so because of the hardness of their hearts. Jesus confirms Moses response by stating in the next verse that divorce shall be used only in the case of fornication.

  21. Ron Murphy says:

    I just wondering if Ob, has any stock in General Electric? They like to give weapons to both sides of the firing line.

  22. Well, I bet he would have blasted Romney if he found out HE had any!!

  23. *******POTENTIAL FALSE FLAG ALERT*******

    Shooting in LA tonight – 6 dead. Guy had an AR. And, just like Sandy Hook and the Marathon the was a police shooting drill at the same time. Hmmmmm. I think if they plan a “drill” in my area I’m buggin’ out…. :)

  24. kat says:

    Only God is to judge for divorce. but I left my husband cause he was abusive. I would personally think God would not want us to have a life like that and find a better person who believes in God also. Everyone sins, shouldn’t judge people as Jesus said who is without sin throw the first stone?

    • Levi says:

      Kat: Yes. We need to let God judge us. We just look to the Word to lead us for what is right and wrong. Because His Word is a lamp unto our feet and light unto our path. If we believe and walk in it then we will not stumble.

    • suez says:

      Amen Kat!! We should never judge another’s life, for we have not walked in their shoes. Some people don’t realize that unfortunately!! I have lived with a verbally abusive man for 42 years. But he never touched me in a physical abusive way. But, I got a lot of tongue lashings…so to speak!! :) He was saved 37 years ago, but for years now, never picks up the Bible, even though God still loves him, and has did many miracles in his life. He was verbally abusive because he had so much anger and rage from his childhood. I don’t excuse him, but I understand where it is coming from. He has mellowed with age and with trials and many tribulations that we have been through. (I could write a book). I could have left him so many times, but I didn’t believe in divorce, and I stayed only by the grace of God!!! But had it been physical, I would of either killed him, or divorced him…lol so don’t you feel judged girlfriend. Your just fine as long as you love the Lord and are living for him!!

    • Ron Murphy says:

      No stones casting today, Kat. we have all sinned. Besides sins are forgivable. It is not us to judge you. But I don’t expect God would require you to stay in a relationship like that. God is merciful.

  25. Ramon Campos says:


    • suez says:

      What are you saying Ramon, I do not understand. You mean O. is a child of God, by the Lord Jesus Christ? If that is what you meant, certainly not me. I don’t think he is for one second!!! He is a deceiver!!! :(

  26. brian says:

    that bastard Obama was in santa monica at the same time as that shooting….I think the wrong 6 people got shot. i’ll hold judgement as to what really happened until I hear more but another ar15, lone gunmen. does the government have a squad of these programmed assasins? doesn’t anyone own an ak47? those ar’s always jam. otherwise to hell with Kerry and Obama.

  27. kat says:

    yes Suez, I know I have sin in my life, I ask God often to help me with it. My bf is not saved and we have a beautiful Daughter together. I honestly believe God works in great ways, what I mean by that is yes My daughter was born not into Marriagr but after she was born, God turned me around. I lost faith in him, and was very depressed considering suicide. Then I find I am pregnant, from that day forward I promised God I would raise my daughter to believe in him and my faith in God grew stronger. I do wish my bf would come to know Christ, no matter how much proof I show him he still ignores it :( I pray he will find God though, God has got me through so many tribulations in my life and so glad he loves me.

    • suez says:

      May the Lord lead you and guide you by his word Kat!!! Jesus loves you! He is a great and mighty God, and he loves us so much! God does help us, but we have to do something also. We must repent, and ask his forgiveness. To repent means to turn away from. If you ever need Spiritual counseling, there are many here that would be capable and willing to help you, I’m sure. :) But one thing that is most important. Stay in Gods word the King James Bible!! And ask his Holy Spirit to teach you!! :)

      • Ilona says:

        Suez, I’ve been reading this site for a while and I’m always stuck by your faith and knowledge of scripture. Is it too personal to ask what church you attend? I have been looking for a true KJ Bible believing church that loves the Lord and have yet to find one.

        • suez says:

          Oh, Ilona, thank you for the very kind words, but I fall very short of your words…LOL I love all people and try my best to exhibit what I think Christ would want me to be, but I fall very short of it. I can get my feathers ruffled too!! Unfortunately, and I’m sure some on here would agree with that…:) But anyway, I wish I could be of help to you in the Church department, but unfortunately I don’t go to Church. Like you I want a KJ Bible believing, Church. But in my area, not much luck on that one. I called over 25 churches in two days looking for a KJ Church. I found 3. And two of those had women preachers, and they were in a bad side of the town, in the town next to us. And, as I would have to go alone, I opted out of those. Besides the location, I am just not sure I believe a woman should be a Pastor. I am still praying and studying about that one…:) The other Church, I’ve been thinking of trying, is about 10 miles away, but I really don’t want to go alone, so I am praying God raise up my hubby to go along! ) Most of the churches in my area are either in the New Age versions, and have New Age Ideas, or are Word of Faith. (Ken Copeland type). Neither I would want to be a part of. So for the last 15 years, I’ve been going to the Word Church,,,my King James Bible!! :) I do have a some DVDs a friend and I listen to from some pastors. So that is my church for now. But it isn’t like being in a fellowship with a group of believers in the body. I can give you some good DVDS to get to listen to if you want. But other than that, keep in the Word, and find some fellowship like this to help you when your lonely! Sorry I couldn’t be of much help. I am finding a whole lot of Christians not attending churches now-days. Many like myself are lonely for the worship and fellowship and good sound preaching, but we won’t compromise in Gods word!! Just keep praying for God to lead you if there is one in your area. Otherwise we can exchange emails, and fellowship that way. Yours in Christ, sue

    • keep on keeping on sister kat, GOD loves you, and will honor your love for him.

  28. kat says:

    Suez I honestly believe people who give Christians a hard time like on this site, not only they are being fooled but I also think deep down inside of them they are confused and just wont admit it

    • suez says:

      I believe that too Kat. Some will listen some won’t. Depends on how hard the heart is!! Sometimes we draw in love, but sometimes we need to grab them out of the very fires of hell!! (I can’t think of the scripture right now, but I will find it) …And that takes a firm hand! But I know what I am thinking about, but it’s late and my mind is foggy…:) Good-nite Kat. See you soon I hope. Love in Christ, sues

      • Ron Murphy says:

        A little help, Sue!

        Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
        Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

        • suez says:

          That’s it!! Thanks so much Ron. It was late, and mind fog had set in, but I knew it was there!!! LOL :) Yes here it is Kat!!!! :)

  29. STL says:

    Ro: Like you said, time will tell, then we will see whose was right?

  30. STL says:

    Suez: I was not talking about Ron’s wife, Brenda. As Ron mention in past blogs that he had problems with his family, that they did not believe in his teachings!

    As for my wife, yes she’s a christian in name only, but that’s her problem, God gives us the freedom of choice to believe in him. But by her not being a christian, has nothing to do with my comments to Ron.
    But as I know you, you always have a joke or insult to give out!

  31. Helllloooo….anybody ever heard about the israeli false flag attack on the USS Liberty in 1967?

  32. I am going to post this one more time..just in anybody missed it.

  33. Joseph says:

    Just throwing out a question to my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. How many believe Obama is lining up to be THE antichrist? Puppet or the actual one?

  34. Obama is just another puppet for the jews…there are many anti-christs.They are already here.
    1John.2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now there are many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

  35. The Marks of Israel
    Compared Between The Jews and Anglo-Saxondom by Pastor Sheldon Emry

  36. Joseph says:

    Thanks for the info!

  37. STL says:

    We not suppose to support the Isrealites, we are here to support Gos’s Isreal. In the last half of the Tribulation the Isrealites will relize that their Messiah always was Jesus Christ. Isreal is for the Born Again Jews and Christians!

  38. STL says:

    TYPO= Gos’s= God’s

  39. STL says:

    Joseph: I change the name from Pastor to STL, because it offended Ron and Suez, so to be nice to them, I changed it!

    • Joseph says:

      It offended them?

      • suez says:

        Joseph we thought having Pastor at the beginning of his name was bad, because he never acted at all like a Pastor of the Gospel should act. Calling people names, being rude, terrible and angry comments, and on and on. It was a very bad witness for using the name of Pastor. And yes he changed his name and came back, but I’m sure, not for our benefit, as to my knowledge he never informed anyone it was him again. But we could tell by his demeanor (spirit) once again. You can change the clothing, but what is inside still shows…:( Wouldn’t you have thought, if that is why he changed his name, when he came back on, he would of announced that this is Steve, I thought of what you been telling me, and I have decided to drop the Pastor name, and now this is my new name!!! Wouldn’t you think that is what he would of done, if he was doing it because he thought he was offending someone? I do. But no, he sneaks back here with a different name. Not telling anyone, to my knowledge and again, starts out with the same old stuff again…It is very sad!!! :(

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Did not offend me , Pastor Steven Larue, I never refused to call you Pastor and still do.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      The only thing that has offended me is you downing all my Brothers and Sisters on this sight, No wonder your flock give up on you. You need to quit beating the sheep, bad shepherd, Pastor Steven Larue.

      • suez says:

        Ron, I could never in a million years see this man as a Pastor. I cringe at the thought. I would pray you stop calling him Pastor, because that really bothers me. He is NO Pastor! I can love him in the Lord, and forgive him, but he is not a pastor….and to call him that with his words and actions is dangerous for some who come here that may be little lambs or do not know the Lord. Thanks, Sue

        • Ron Murphy says:

          I agree Sue, but never the less it is his title, he has papers to prove it, from University of ***** ********.

          • suez says:

            so he says…have you seen it? It just makes me sad in the pit of my stomach…I wish I didn’t let him get to me…God help us all…:(

  40. STL says:

    Levi: You said, you read the Bible several times, then one day the “grace of god” enter you, and you saw the truth!

    Could that be the problem with Ron?

  41. Joseph says:

    Whats Ron being dragged into this for? Don’t start trouble. Be of a kind heart.

  42. STL says:

    Suez: Your problem with me is that I state the truth, you make jokes of it!

    As it say’s in Eph. 5:11 Do not partcipate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

    In 2nd Tim. 4:2 We are commanded to judge, reprove, rebuke, exhort.

  43. STL says:

    Suez: Now your bring up , my past anger against Ron, in those rude comments to him.

    This really prove you will not give up your hate that lies within you, and that not the nature of a Christian. You can not allow yourself to forgive others, or forget others sins.

    I’m so happy when I asked God for forgiveness of my sins, there forgotten!

    If you were God, I wouldn’t have a chance to ever be forgiven of my sins?

    So now it shows you do not have a kind heart!

    • suez says:

      That is a untruth Steve. I have forgiven you over and over and over, and over again. And as far as bringing up your past statements, that was only to remind you, that you have made some very bad statements on here, so please stop picking upon everyone else. That is the only reason I said that. You know kinda like “you who are without sin, cast the first stone.” Your constantly casting stones. Please stop and get along, and then we can all have peaceful fellowship, and maybe learn and glean from each other.

      • STL says:

        Suez: If you foriven me then why you keep bringing it up to me, as its not forgotten in your mind yet?
        How can you remind me of my sins, if you forgotten them?

  44. suez says:

    Ron or Levi, or anyone…Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
    Joe 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
    Joe 2:30 And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
    Joe 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
    Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. I have been reading this and a whole lot is going to happen before this outpouring comes!!! Coming from a Pentecostal church years ago, the way they taught is that it could happen at any time now, but I don’t agree. What is your opinion. Of coarse I know the Holy Ghost is still available to those who ask, as far as being filled with the Holy Ghost as in: Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
    Act 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
    So these verses in Joel, are different.

  45. Levi says:

    Acts 2:16-21 but this is that which hath been spoken through the prophet Joel:
    And it shall be in the last days, saith God, I will pour forth of my Spirit upon all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams:
    Yea and on my servants and on my handmaidens in those days Will I pour forth of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy.
    And I will show wonders in the heaven above, And signs on the earth beneath; Blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke:
    The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the day of the Lord come, That great and notable day.
    And it shall be, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

  46. Ron Murphy says:

    Yes they are, Sue. As Daniel stated Those that know their God shall do exploits. I believe when people that know the word of God see that trouble is ahead, they will get down to business with God. and He will give them even greater power than the early church and the apostles had. It will come at the end. That is why the signs of rapture is stated here in this passage, in Joel 2:31. If the rapture was before tribulation we would see it right now. Even though their will be a great falling away the falling, I believe is actually the falling from faith, and worshipping the antichrist. But those that know God, will be blessed with great blessings.

  47. Hey, how about a little word search fun?
    I have a bad case of h—- h—.
    All Christians should have this, too.
    The words will be found in the scripture below, but not together.

    Psa 39:1 To the chief Musician, even to Jeduthun, A Psalm of David. I said, I will take heed to my ways, that I sin not with my tongue: I will keep my mouth with a bridle, while the wicked is before me.
    Psa 39:2 I was dumb with silence, I held my peace, even from good; and my sorrow was stirred.
    Psa 39:3 My heart was hot within me, while I was musing the fire burned: then spake I with my tongue,
    Psa 39:4 LORD, make me to know mine end, and the measure of my days, what it is; that I may know how frail I am.
    Psa 39:5 Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah.
    Psa 39:6 Surely every man walketh in a vain shew: surely they are disquieted in vain: he heapeth up riches, and knoweth not who shall gather them.
    Psa 39:7 And now, Lord, what wait I for? my hope is in thee.
    Psa 39:8 Deliver me from all my transgressions: make me not the reproach of the foolish.
    Psa 39:9 I was dumb, I opened not my mouth; because thou didst it.
    Psa 39:10 Remove thy stroke away from me: I am consumed by the blow of thine hand.
    Psa 39:11 When thou with rebukes dost correct man for iniquity, thou makest his beauty to consume away like a moth: surely every man is vanity. Selah.
    Psa 39:12 Hear my prayer, O LORD, and give ear unto my cry; hold not thy peace at my tears: for I am a stranger with thee, and a sojourner, as all my fathers were.
    Psa 39:13 O spare me, that I may recover strength, before I go hence, and be no more.

    • suez says:

      Amen to those scriptures…Is it Heart Hot??? And yes, I guess I have been guilty from time to time. God forgive me!!! Good lesson Brenda!!

      • Nope, last word has 4 letters.
        I have another lesson on the way, in a few hours…God put in on my heart today. I am learning, also. God bless all. Have a beautiful day…and thanks.

    • suez says:

      Heart Fire? If not,,,I give up , you got me…he he

  48. Levi says:

    His heart?

  49. You got one word right. 5 letters in the first word, 4 in the second.

  50. Levi says:

    Heart held?

  51. engineer says:

    I use to work with a Larue many years ago in the late 80’s. We worked for a group of consulting engineers on varies projects. Is there any possible relationship with the Pastor Steve that post on this website. We worked in Jersey and he was of French descent. Oh..Boy could he drink. We would go out after work and drink our butts offff. Any family in New Jersey Pastor Steve.

    • STL says:

      Never been to the East Coast yet! Been as far as Virginia, Texas, a few other states. Lived mostly in Portland, Oregon. Been to South Korea, South Vietnam, Japan, Phillipines. Now i live in Mazatlan, Mexico for 20 years, my family is mostly Canadian on my mother side and my father side are jews.

  52. TexasRedNeck says:

    It’s no wonder why non-believers laugh at believers so much and shoot us down all the time, just look at all these loving comments on here from “real believers” you just keep right on giving non-believers all the ammo they need.

    Some of you sound like a bunch of spoiled little brats, constantly bickering about everything, it seems like you are here just to argue and look for ways to be offended.

    If I was a non-believer I’d be laughing too.
    Is this the way you try to win people over to the Lord ?

    • suez says:

      I agree Texas, I apologize for my part. I wish I didn’t let him get to me…I’m so sorry!!! :(

      • Hey, Suez, he has a way of getting to us all!
        Don’t feel badly. I have had to sit here and watch him slander my husband, yet, I forgive him.
        God bless you.
        God bless Steven Larue, too..

        • STL says:

          Brenda: you know I praise you than others, you always forgive me! And you do not bring up the past sins of mine as of others do to me, your a true believers, the grace of God is within you!

          At least when I ask forgiveness of my sins to God, he forgets them, and never brings them up and insult me with them, as others have done to me!

      • Tracy says:

        I think that all of us needs to realize that we all sin, we all have our faults, we will never agree on certain doctrines, not one (1) of us is 100% right about everything that is written in the Holy Bible, that we all still have to fight the flesh, we all get angry, and that different personalities here cause us to like some over others. However, with that said, we must pray that, we, as true believers, need NOW more than ever before to try our best to overlook some things, and stand together in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. If the truth be known, we are probably widely out-numbered. We’ve got to stay united.
        Praise Him Always and God Bless Each One of You

        • suez says:

          Amen Tracy, and a good word!! :) However my getting upset doesn’t come from differences of scripture. It comes when people throw insults and say nasty things to me or someone else. We are all going to disagree on scripture, it is unfortunate, but that is the way it is now anyway. That doesn’t really bother me anymore. But your right, time is short, and we must stand together in all of it!! Bless you sister!! :)

          • STL says:

            Suez: your just a bad of sinner as I am? No lesser and no greater! So I have thrown a few insults to you, but you have also did the same to me. So is 2 wrongs make it right?

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Amen! Tracy. We should not be each others enemy, we have an enemy, let us fight him together. Well said, Sister. Peace to you in the name of Jesus.

      • TexasRedNeck says:

        >>>Suez & Everyone Else<<<, I said nothing about STL, I was talking about most of the people on here. Some of you seem to go out of your way to find something to bicker about. STL and a couple of others DO make comments that should not be made. I have gone a few rounds with him myself but I made an honest attempt to apologize to him and I try NOT to make negative comments to anyone. BUT some people here are here just to do that exact thing.

        Don't understand what I'm talking about, just look at how quickly you and some others began to start the same old stuff a minute or two after your reply.
        It's in one ear and out the other with most of you.
        Business as usual at NTEB.

        Once again I DID NOT REFER TO "STL" IN MY COMMENT, some of you just assumed I was talking about him because that's who you wanted it to be.
        Just like my original post, just like a bunch of little kids.

        • suez says:

          Well thanks Texas for you kindness!! It hasn’t been you that has had your life threatened. It hasn’t been you that has had evil rude sexual things said to you. I am human, I haven’t arrived completely as you I guess. I can forgive, but if someone really repents and says I’m sorry,and means it, then they would stop, instead of continuing to harass, condemn and stir up strife time after time again. So you think what you want, I have reached the end with that man. I see no good fruit there, only strife and anger, and his I’m sorry’s have worn very thin! I apologized to you for my part of it, if you can’t accept that, then I don’t know what else to do. I don’t bicker with anyone but him, and only when he starts in, and gets me into a frazzle with his rudeness and idiotic comments to people. I apologize for letting him get to me. Yes for that I am sorry!! I try to be kind and loving and understanding to everyone that comes here. I have offered help and scripture whenever I can. so if you wish to condemn me for sticking up for my self and others against this fool, then go ahead. God knows my heart.

  53. Whoa… I go away for 12 hours and when I come back here the chairs are kicked over, the place smells like smoke, and the floor is littered with beer cans.

    Peace out people :)

    • suez says:

      yup, guess who’s back!!! Heeeesssss baaacccckkkkk!!!!! Spooky… Not talking about you Mark W. You can figure it out by the hub-bub!!! LOL thanks for the chuckle Mark W. LOL :)

  54. Well I just hope LaRue figured out the birth certificate post on that other thread.

    I think he only PRETENDS to be so dense (?)

  55. Starts at #28 on the NSA thread.

    It’s 4-star entertainment

  56. OK, this is FUNNY; it’s from a blogger @Infowars…

    resign is too easy, I want to see him hauled out of office and put on trial,
    to be found guilty of war crimes and treason both, then rightfully punished.
    maybe he can have someone photoshop a death certificate afterwards.

  57. Jesus Was Not a Jew
    By Benjamin H. Freedman,Jewish Historian

  58. I know this is way off topic..but I will post it anyway.
    Jewish Declaration of War on Germany 1933

  59. Disapproval of man’s heart:

    Mat 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
    Mat 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
    Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
    Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
    Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

    Approval of man’s hope:

    Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
    Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
    Rom 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
    Rom 5:4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
    Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

    • suez says:

      Brenda, was these the answers? I thought we were to answer from the scripture you gave us…LOL I guess there was a lack of communication…lol

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Brenda here,
        It was an extension of the study, the words heart and hope, or ‘heart hope’ was the answer in the other scripture, I tied it in, in the last verse here, also. lol.
        Next time, not so much scripture…maybe?

        • suez says:

          Oh, well I only seen the first set of scriptures. I thought it was those where we were suppose to get the answers from. I must have missed something…lol

  60. STL says:

    Suez: You have never loved me as a Christian and you have never forgiven me of my sins, as you continue to bring them up to me. If there forgiven then there forgotten? But it seem you have not forgotten them? Your testimony are just mere words!

    • suez says:

      I forgive, and I am sorry…:( Even if you think I don’t, I do. Sorry they haven’t been wiped out of my memory banks yet. And think what you want. God knows my heart…

  61. 1 Cor.6:2-6 says:

    I’ve been reading these blogs for weeks. Why are you christians attacking STL or Pastor Larue? I see he has sinned alot with his temper, but he did asked forgiveness from you guys, but you keep bringing up his sinns that should of been forgiven, in the first place? And you call yourselves born again Christians, if your a Christians and the way you act to one another, seem your the wrong people to listen to and discuss the scriptures with?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      We have forgave Pastor, Many times and we still do, We just want our brother to do better. To love the flock instead of beating it with a stick. He has nothing good to say, but to a few. And He has run off many from this site with his insults. He will ask for forgiveness in one sentence and curse you with the next. We all love him but he needs to loose his switch.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      It seem to me, it’s the Pastor that has a hard time forgiving.

  62. I never called him out for sinning, just his lack of reading comprehension :)

  63. STL says:

    Ron: I always forgave you and others each night as I pray to God for His forgiveness, but that does not mean I have to agree with your comments? Or your insults as I believe in fables or fairy tales or I’m a liar, or a clown?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Sorry, Sir. That just doesn’t sound like forgetting to me.
      But never the less, I forgive you,for, let me see now?????????? Oh! well, I can’t remember. I guess I have nothing to forgive you for.

  64. welcome says:

    1 cor.6:2-6 is again Pastor Steven Larue. 😉

  65. Ron Murphy says:

    Pastor, what are the waters that the women sets upon?

  66. Ron Murphy says:

    Typo: women = woman

    in Rev 17

  67. STL says:

    Ron: I’m in the since as its time for the sirens to go off!
    When I was in Vietnam I could hear in the distance the sirens going off, then within a few minutes the rockets were landing very close to me, as I felt the ground moving under my feet, and soldiers screaming for the medics! My whole life seem as its all over, within seconds my life was going to end. As I was yelling at God for his help, Asking him to forgive all my sins and recieve Salvation.

    Within June 21-24 isreal will attack Damascus, Syria. Then unto Iran war. By Sept. 2013 the Dollar and Stock Market will fall apart at its seams, we need to be ready for this to come upon us! By recieving Salvation and a large freezer full of food!

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Yes Salvation first and yes a freezer full. And plenty of shells for wild game.

    • engineer says:

      You are not as naive as I thought you were Pastor. Many things are happening now in the Middle East that the sheeple are not aware of. You seem to have some knowledge of the alphabet agencies that govern our society. Good for you. (Try Spell Check when you post.) It will make you more credible when you post.

      Engineer out

    • And if it doesn’t then you have declared yourself a false prophet.

      Deuteronomy 18:21-22: “And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.”

      Isaiah 9:15: “The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.”

      Jeremiah 14:14: “Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I HAVE NOT SENT THEM, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.”

      Jesus said in Matthew 7:15: “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”

      Matthew 24:11: “And many false prophets shall arise, and shall deceive many.”

      • engineer says:

        If you are refering to my post, I never said I was a prophet. Just someone who follows the signs of the times.

        • No, this was not listed under your heading so why you would even think I was refering to you is rediculous. It was in reference to STL when he stated, “Within June 21-24 isreal will attack Damascus, Syria. Then unto Iran war. By Sept. 2013 the Dollar and Stock Market will fall apart.”

          What is it with this spirit of strife, back-biting and stabbing on this blog? It has been quite some time since I have viewed this blog and nothing has changed but a couple of names. I am ashamed that we call ourselves Christians here. (This does not purtain to everyone here. If my comment strikes you wrong, then maybe the Holy Spirit is telling you to check yourself!)

          God forgive you!

    • And always cling to your guns and bible

  68. engineer says:

    Quote from Paster Larue

    Within June 21-24 isreal will attack Damascus, Syria. Then unto Iran war. By Sept. 2013 the Dollar and Stock Market will fall apart at its seams, we need to be ready for this to come upon us! By recieving Salvation and a large freezer full of food!
    (End Quote)

  69. kat says:

    what are your guys beliefs on rapture? me I always believed in before tribulation.

    • suez says:

      Oh, Kat you may have opened up a can of worms, so to speak…LOL There has been lots of debates on that one here. As for me, I used to be totally pre-trib. But after I got out of Church, and really started reading the word, without the influence of man’s opinion, need God started showing me some different stuff. So now I am not so sure. I am leaning more toward NOT pre-trib right now. But still praying about it. But it makes a interesting subject to debate, as long as folks can keep it in a loving tone and respect each others opinions, and also having a open mind helps greatly!!! :) But one thing is for sure, Jesus IS coming to get his church!! That I know, and that I look forward too, and in that do I believe!!! :)

      • suez says:

        sorry line 4 should be,,, THEN instead of need,,,lol don’t know where my mind was there… :)

        • STL says:

          Suez: I’m really at the point, I really don’t care whose right anymore. But I’m sure about one thing! I’m 99% sure I’m Born Again Christian and 1% scare to death of the coming prophecies!

    • STL says:

      KAT: This is the big discussion on this web site?

      Ron and Brenda are post tribber, Steven, Levi, Tracy, Mark H, Beckey believes we will go before the Tribulation, but one thing is for sure time will give us the answer? And if we are all saved by Jesus Salvation, it really does not matter whose right?

  70. Levi says:

    Have ye not read: did he say that he is prophesying it?

    One can predict stock market, a sports match, weather and in the same way wars. What’s wrong in that?

  71. Levi says:

    Kat: majority of them here believe in the post tribulation rapture. As for me I am a pre tribber, a blessed ‘fairy tale’ believer :)

  72. engineer says:

    No Rapture kat. We will all be alive when SHTF. (or dead) Sorry for being so bold and truthful. THERE IS NO RAPTURE PEOPLE. Wake up people. Jesus suffered, WHY SHOULD’NT WE. http://www.worldslastchance.com/videos#play882

    • STL says:

      How much have you suffered in your life up to now, engineer?

      I believe I have suffer alot on the battle field, almost bleeding to death in combat service. Or being homeless for 35 years, suffering that I killed children, as in my nightmares?

      How about all those Christians Nero put on the stake burned them alive, did they suffer enough?

      Do you believe our God make children with special education suffer in the Tribulation or a new born baby?

      How about all our Apostles, did they suffer enough?

    • TexasRedNeck says:

      >>> engineer <<< You answered your own question.
      Jesus suffered so we "WOULDN'T HAVE TO".
      YES there is going to be a Rapture and it's going to happen BEFORE Satan takes control of Earth.

      Your boarding pass has already been paid for by a nice young Jewish Rabbi, it was very expensive, so expensive in fact that it cost Him His life. Amazingly He knew what
      the price was beforehand and paid for it ANYWAY.
      Can you believe that ? And all you have to do is just accept Him as your Savior.

      You don't have to DIE for Him just LIVE for Him, amazing isn't it. You can't beat a deal like that, our part is FREE, better hurry tho time is running out, once the trumpet sounds its too late, AND you get a BRAND NEW PERFECT BODY.

    • “We will all be alive when SHTF”. Nice language for a Christian. It doesn’t matter if you use an acronym or not, we all know what it means, sinners and believers alike. But more importantly, so does God. Do you really think God appreciates the way you are representing him? Come on, think before you speak out of the flesh.

  73. Levi says:

    Sorry, not only here but majority of today’s Christians all over the world believe in a post tribulation rapture.

    • suez says:

      With all due respect Levi, I always have felt the opposite. It hasn’t been since the last couple years, that I have met and seen people saying they were not pre-trib. At least around here anyway, and folks I have talked to. :)

      • STL says:

        Sue, as long you believe in your heart, mind, soul your saved by Jesus salvation. Then the rest does not matter?

  74. engineer says:

    Like you said brother, A BLESSED FAIRY TALE. I wish I don’t have to suffer when things get bad. You MUST BE SPECIAL LEVI!

  75. Levi says:

    Suez: I am sorry. I told you according to my experience. Google just the pre tribulation rapture and you will get loads of sites bashing the pre tribbers and its doctrine. The only site that you might see in defense over and over is raptureready.

    • suez says:

      Brother Levi, please no need to be sorry. Maybe it depends on where you live. Most of the preachers I have listened to are pre-trib. lol I still listen to them, even if I may not totally agree. As long as they are good KJ Bible teachers, I glean from their teachings! Rapture belief to me makes no difference in friendships of the brothern to me. As long as we all love Jesus and believe his word, that is all that matters! It isn’t going to affect my love and fellowship for someone. My best friend is a pre-triber. We debate, but we still love each other, and respect each other!! :)

  76. Levi says:

    Engineer: indeed my friend I am special. The offer is for you as well. It is up to you to accept or reject it. If you are saying that you must suffer because Jesus suffered then I think it doesn’t make sense. Because what you are going to suffer is the suffering in the absence of His grace, mercy and so on. You will not find a verse of assurance during this time. Look for yourself. Rightly divide the word the suffering that the Bible tells us to suffer is with His grace. With which we can stand and finally inherit eternal life.

    • suez says:

      Levi, I’m not quite sure why you think that his grace and mercy will not be here with us, if we are still here. There are a lot of promises in Revelation, alone. For instance in the letters to the churches, many promises are given. Like this: Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
      Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
      Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
      Rev 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.
      Rev 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.” It says time after time, he that endurth unto the END shall——!!! Only God can help us to endure, and he will!! He promised us: He would NEVER leave us or forsake us! Can we count on him to do what he said, or not? Yes we can!

  77. Levi says:

    I believe the same way Suez. This doctrine cannot bring differences in His love. My in laws are all post tribbers including my wife but my family are all pre tribbers. We get along very well.

    Suez: till Rev 6 you will not find the troubles starting on this earth which is as a result of opening the seals and from then on when you need His grace the most, it is not there.

  78. Levi says:

    Suez: I was brought in a place where there was nothing to name as a Christian. The whole town was Hindu and Muslim. But not to name one christian in that whole populated town. I don’t own a TV. I have never been any church member. I only visited a few churches only a few years back but did not find satisfaction so I discontinued with that. My wife and my in laws go to church regularly but I am not sure what the church believes.
    So, I have never been taught about this doctrine by any man. It is the Lord who directed me through His words and His Spirit first and confirmed them with many dreams. So I have never followed any man nor anybody’s doctrine in this. The more I have discussed about this doctrine the deeper my roots took into believing this blessed hope.

    • suez says:

      Levi, I don’t doubt your love or your sincerity to the Lord one bit. As I don’t doubt Ron,s or some of the others here. The trouble is this, that we all think God has opened up his word to us in the way we believe. I have had some talks with the Lord about this many times. Even last night when I went to bed, I was praying and talking with the Lord. I said God why does you children have so many different opinions about your word? We all love you, but is seems that we see things so different. I said, why did you make your word so hard to understand in some scriptures, especially Prophecy! I heard nothing…LOL But the thought came to me, that if we all knew the answer for sure, and were never challenged in our beliefs, maybe we wouldn’t keep digging into the word! I’m sure this was just my thoughts, but couldn’t it be true anyway? To be challenged in our understanding of scripture makes us dig. At least it does me. The more we did, the more faith we get from being in Gods word! Oh well, that is all I come up with. So out for now!!! :)

  79. Full Speech of Rabbi Rabbinovitch Found
    Budapest,Hungary,January 12th,1952

  80. Jonathan Williams recorded in his book, LEGIONS OF SATAN , in 1781, THAT Cornwallis revealed to Washington that a

    “holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will supposedly be the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be the loyal subjects of the Crown.”

    Cornwallis went on to explain that what would seem to be a seem to be a contradiction:

    “Your churches will be used to teach the Jews’ religion and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry.”

  81. STL says:

    Engineer: Some times Fairy Tales come true?

  82. kat says:

    stl, so true. onky thing that matters is that your heary is right with jesus. Maybe that is why I also s dream oftribulation. Does anyone know the scriptures that are ab poo ut rhe rapture? I really want to study more on it. I use kjv so if you can pkease state from that.

      • STL says:

        Kat: what was the 1st english Bible?

        Geneva or the Great Bible, then it was the Bishop Bible, then KJV Bible, then Authorized Bible!

        • The English Bibles are as follows: 1st – Gothic, 2nd – Anglo-Saxon, 3rd – Wycliffe, 4th – Tyndale, 5th – Geneva, 6th – Bishops, and the seventh English Bible was the King James.

          Psalm 12:6-7: “The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, PURIFIED SEVEN TIMES. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.”

    • suez says:

      Kat, study it yourself in the KJ Bible. Taking the words of a man will only instill their belief in you. Just start in Mathew and go through the New Testament. Write down the scriptures that speak to you. When your done with that, read Daniel, and the minor prophets of the Old Testament. Pray the Holy Spirit guides and leads you and speaks to you concerning it. The trouble with going to different web sites, as well meaning as they may be, your only going to get their opinions. Just stay in the word for yourself, until you get firmly established in the word yourself!! That is the best advise anyone could give you!!! :)

  83. kat says:

    about* got to love auto type on the cells. lol

  84. STL says:

    Engineer: We believe in Romans 5:9 As we are justified by Jesus blood that we will not enter the Tribulation But others as yourself will argue that point?

  85. STL says:

    SUEZ: Please I’m not trying to be rude! But if you didn’t have to go into the Tribulation, and would you still ask Jesus to allow you to go into the Tribulation so you could suffer for Jesus?

    • suez says:

      Steve, do you think I am nuts. I do NOT want to go through the Tribulation! BUT not wanting to, WON”T change anything. I pray it’s Pre-Trib. Yippee, lets go!! But if not, I want to be prepared in what ever God has for me. Totally trusting in him for everything! I am looking for him to come, and loving his appearing whenever that may be. But I am not God, and I surrender myself to his will, no matter what!

  86. STL says:

    Rev. 2:9
    Possibly why Hitler tried so hard to get rid of the jews, because they had there fingers into every thing?

    • STL..after WW1 the jews turned Germany into a sleazy rathole.Hitler just basically kicked out the troublemakers and stood up to them and their communism..and paid dearly for it.Have you ever heard of the Frankfurt School?

    • suez says:

      Steve, that is a horrible thing to say!!!! :( Hitler was a vile and evil man, possessed with demonic spirits. How could you say such a vile thing???

  87. Levi says:

    Kat: if you are looking for answers from the discussion on this website you will start beginning to doubt the pre trib because you will not find scriptures clearly mentioning about neither of the doctrines but you need read he whole Bible, understand the mind of God through His Spirit and only then you will come to the conclusion. But if we came to the knowledge of either of the doctrine by following men then it will not stay strong. I beseech you instead of discussing you just pray, meditate on His word and ask God to give you the knowledge and wisdom and as a Faithful Father He will do it. If He has done for me, such a wretched person, then He will do it for you. I am sure you are better than I am. God bless you.

    • STL says:

      Levi: As you said, to Kat, Read the entire bible, which would take a person at least one year. And we know by the prophecies and signs, we do not have another year?

      It just takes alot of faith from ones part, to believe that the Rapture will occur before the Tribulation!

      And by reading the scriptures that we are justified already by our Lord Jesus blood in Romans 5:9 that a mystery will occur in 1st Cor. 15:51 and the dead will rise first then the living will rise into the air and be with the Lord Jesus forever in 1st Thess. 4:14-17.

      But others on this web site, will try and confused you with other scriptures that the Rapture will only occur at the end of the Tribulation.

      But in Rev. 20:4 speaks of the dead waiting to be caught up? But there is not one person in this period of time that is still alive will be caught up into the air to meet Jesus, and be with him forever.

      So you need to base your strong faith that Jesus will deliver from the horrible period called the Times of Jacob or the Tribulation period!

    • suez says:

      Yes, Kat, Like Levi and I have said. All the answers are in the Word. Never take mans opinions. They will lead you into confusion. Just read Gods word for yourself. We as flesh men don’t have all the answers, but God by his Holy Spirit does. Search the word, seek and ye shall fine. :)

  88. Levi says:

    You need to read the whole Bible

  89. Levi says:

    Texas: amen. Perfect. Well said.

  90. Excerpt from letter written by Oscar Levy to Mr.George-Pitt Rivers,July 20 1920
    “You will at once answer that nationalism has nothing to do with the Jews, who as you have just proved to us, are the inventors of the international idea. But no less than Bolshevist Ecstasy and Financial Tyranny can National Bigotry (if I may call it so) be finally followed back to a Jewish source — are not they the inventors of the Chosen People Myth? and is not this obsession part and parcel of the political credo of every modern nation, however small and insignificant it may be?

    • Did all you “jews are the chosen ones” people read what he wrote….Jewish source-ARE NOT THEY THE INVENTORS OF THE CHOSEN PEOPLE MYTH ?

      • Ron Murphy says:

        You are wasting your time, sir.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        You answer is Just below ” Was Jesus a Jew?” You do not know Him, we do. Big difference ,Sir. Be the fool, but don’t insult our intelligence. We know Him personally.

        • now slow down Ron… just where do you have the right to say if somebody knows Him or not? Maybe you are a gatekeeper for this whole jews are the chosen ones stuff!!You call me fool..but you can’t prove me wrong.
          Matthew 7:22-23
          Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

          And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            The Bible is worthless without faith.

          • Oh and I have plenty of faith!!

          • suez says:

            May be sir. But what or who is you faith in?

          • STL says:

            The Bible is worthless without faith and it worthless without good christian deeds to others?

          • suez says:

            Gen 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will show thee:
            Gen 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
            Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

        • Ron..do you know how much trouble America has gotten into because of this” jews are the chosen ones” doctrine? They made up this doctrine so they could a free pass to do anything they want

      • STL says:

        REV. 2:9: Hitler kick out all the communists out of Germany then he went after the Jews because they were in control of Germany finances.
        As for the Jews yes, the abandoned God almost all the time, but there were special people that arosed out of these times called Prophets, and as teachers of the lost chosen people ( Hebrews), followed the scriptures and laid down the foundation of Isreal. And one day in the future, God’s chosen people will relized that there Messiah is Jesus Christ? But there are many billions of Jews that already are lost will be sent to Lake of Fire in the Judgement.

        And the same goes for the Christians, if you do not relized you need to ask Jesus Christ our Savior, forgiven of your sins and asked to recieve His Salvation. Then as others in the past will join the Jews on Judgement Day and you’ll be lost forever too?

      • suez says:

        We read the Bible sir. We don’t need a bunch of mans junk. The Bible has all of our answers. :)

  91. Joseph says:

    Suez, I have to chuckle when I read you trying to reason with Steven. It reminds me of that skit by Abbot and Costello “whose on first?”God bless you for trying.
    Suez: If you foriven me then why you keep bringing it up to me, as its not forgotten in your mind yet?
    How can you remind me of my sins, if you forgotten them?

    • suez says:

      Ya, Joseph, it is quite a challenge for sure. I’m beginning to realize there isn’t any reasoning… with some people. :(

  92. Ron Murphy says:

    I would like to give everyone something to chew on, Steve, this is my bone. Just who was it, that the book of Revelation was written to? Was it Jews or the Churches in Asia? Who was the Waters the woman sit upon in Rev. 17? The answer is in Rev. 17:15. Now with these questions asked, what good would this book do for us, if the rapture was before tribulation? It would not. Yet:

    Rev 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

    Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

    • STL says:

      Ron: I do not want to get into different arguements what the scriptures say, and you truely know where my heart and mind lies in my belief. I’m not saying your not a intelligent man of scriptures. But all your comments about scriptures really has nothing to do with me. I’m not in any way going to change my mind, that the Rapture occurs after or by the end of the Tribulation.

      I’ve went through life believing in the pre-tribulation and I was basically a very happy person, yes, I had my faults which I was dealing with my tribulations of living in my hell on earth, being a combat veteran. Which I suffer greatly from my nightmares and my daily flashbacks of the ulginess I did in my life to others by killing them. Not only I’m suffering greatly but I cause others also to suffer greatly by killing their love ones.

      I really do not believe I need to enter the Tribulation period to suffer more to be allowed to suffer as Christ did in his walk to that cross, that he died so horrible for me to recieve Salvation.

      And Revelation was written for all to come to Christ Jesus to recieve Salvation?

      • STL,don’t worry about Ron..let him babble.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        You need to forgive yourself, Pastor. God has forgiven you and so have others, now it up to you. God bless you to do so. I know, you know your scripture, but here is one that comes to mine, perhaps you should meditate on it before bed time.

        Mat_11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
        Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

        • STL says:

          Ron: I have forgiven my self many years ago, but my love of God rest in my heart but my mind is fill with sorrow for other that I destroyed their lives, this makes me humble in the eyes of our Lord Jesus.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            That sorrow is tarring you apart, Brother. Just as having the Christians killed did to Paul. The Lord told him, My grace is sufficient for you. You where just following orders, Sir, that is all. We all love you because you did. Thank you, Brother that you made our homes and the homes of the world a safer place to be. You are our Hero. Be proud of it. Not for the killing, but that you made the world better. You have no shame. You are free in God’s eyes, that’s what matters.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        I know how you feel , Sir, yes I do. I not trying to take that away from you. You can keep it all. It is not you I’m here to teach, it’s others that want to learn. So please, Sir, just ignore me teaching . It’s not personally to you. You are welcome to it or you are welcome to reject it. Please, don’t let it bother you.

  93. STL says:

    TEXASREDNECK: Thank you for the kind words and speaking the truth, you are a child of God! The signs are showing us we are on unlimited time before our Lord Jesus will be calling us up? I also believe before Obama, One World Order or the Antichrist occurs, there will be an great event will occur, that bring about this horrible period of time.

    And thank you for your forgiveness and forgetting my past sins against you!

    But others are showing their true fruitfulness, as they condemn me from my past sins against them.

    We are living in a bitter time in our history, the only ones will see happiness from all of this are people who is truely saved by Jesus Christ Salvation!

    Thank you again!

  94. STL says:

    Everyone: Yes, I will pay dearly for my sins against others but also it goes for you too?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      No , Pastor, none of us will, we all been forgiven, It has nothing to do with troubles in our lives. Just trust in Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, all the way to Glory.

  95. Levi says:

    I also have a question for you. Why did God tell Noah about the flood? Was it for Noah? If yes, then why didn’t he suffer? If no, then why was he told?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Well that’s just fine if you look at it from your view point. You see I do that to. But now look at my view point. Wrath is not tribulation, Noah still had tribulation and persecution before he entered the ark. No looking at my view again, why would anyone deny that people would be killed through tribulation?

      • Ron Murphy says:

        My point is it’s going to happen, it is written it will come to fruit, no matter who it is, it will happen, no denying that. Tribulation is coming for some one. you can’t remove it from God’s word just because you don’t think you have to endure it.

    • suez says:

      Levi, Personally, I think it had to be a great time of suffering for Noah! He was warning people I’m sure the whole 120 years. He knew what would happen to them if they didn’t come to God, and get on the boat. He kept warning and warning, but no one listened. He knew they would perish if they didn’t listen. He had to know his relatives and friends were dying outside the boat. The world as they new it would be gone. They lost their home, families, everything that they had. To sit in that boat knowing of all the calamities and death that is occurring while you are safe in the boat? That had to be horrible. Are we that selfish to think, just because we got out, we would not be heartbroken, for the ones that didn’t??? I sure am not! I would be terrible grieved, and suffer great pain from that fact!! I’m sure Noah and his family wept and wept and grieved terribly at what they knew was happening to everyone else. If one didn’t you would have to be real hard heart-ed person! So yes, I think they suffered greatly in a lot of ways. :(

  96. STL says:

    REV. 2:9 We as Christians are here to save Isreal not the jews?

  97. 2 Tim 3:12-4:4
    12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
    13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
    14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
    15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
    16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
    17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
    4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
    2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
    3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
    4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. KJV

  98. STL says:

    We all need to learn humbleness?

  99. Levi says:

    Was Noah killed? But the suffering that he went through, even many Christians are going through.
    Now this is the difference and we will come back to the same old argument: where does the wrath start from. You say it is trumpets but I say it is seals.

    There is no denying that people would be killed through tribulation.

  100. Levi says:

    I never said that it is not going to come. You are assuming it that I said it. Tribulation is going to come upon all the world, to try them that dwell on the earth.

  101. Ron Murphy says:

    So then Noah being saved from tribulation is no good from my view point, but from wrath only. True we do not see the same for wrath that is the big difference. When tribulation does begin, you will make sense out of:

    Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
    Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

    But until then you are not going to see this scripture at all and the meaning of it. You are blind to it. It doesn’t exist to you right now. It is not opened to you yet.

  102. Levi says:

    Whether I am blind or not I leave it to the Lord. Let Him judge. But just for your information, just as you feel that I am blind so do I feel that you are completely blind. So let us not begin casting slurs once again against one another. You know that it won’t work.

    Yes, why would I even be bothered about this Antichrist when I won’t be there to see him?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      No slur at you, Brother, I’m just telling you when tribulation start to look at Matthew 24:15,21, 29. It will hold the answers you need. And that was my general point, the book of Revelation and most of Matthew 24 and Daniel’s prophecies is not important to the pre-tribers. If you don’t believe in Matthew 24: 29 as being the raptured Church, then why is it that you all use the verses after that, to prove your doctrine? That one always puzzled me.

  103. Raymond says:

    Rumors are circulating in CA that muslims are planning to go
    on a rampage in Los Angeles , killing anyone who is a legal U . S .
    citizen .

    Police fear the death toll could be as high as 23.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      I hope that report is false, No offence to you, Brother. Thank you for letting us know. Bless you, Raymond. Keep up the good work.

  104. Levi says:

    Suez: I completely agree with you and I have mentioned his even before in this NTEB itself that the Lord will answer according to your faith. ‘Let it be done according to your faith’. Some wanted the Lord to come and heal their dear ones, some just wanted Him to say a word and the Lord honored their faith. In the pool of Bethesda there was a great multitude waiting to be healed at the moving of waters so that they could jump in. But the Lord chose a man who was sick for 38 years and healed him. Do you notice that great multitude coming asking the Lord to heal them? Please help me with the verse if you get one where it says many others from the pool got healed.
    Likewise, Peter when he saw the Lord on the water went ahead leaving his companions in the boat behind, walking to the Lord. Did the Lord say ‘no’? When Peter asked the Lord to command him to come on water, the Lord answered him according to his faith saying ‘come’.

    I don’t condemn post tribbers here. I just want to tell them if your faith says to stay back in the boat until Jesus comes back with Peter then fine. Why would I object? Who am I to say that they are sinning. No, not at all. Those that are in the boat are my brethren and I am going with the Lord into that boat again to see that our boat is on the shore safely. Glory be to God!

  105. Levi says:

    Sorry, correction.
    I am not going to see the boat to the shore by the Lord is going to see to it.

    I am really sorry. This phablet causes all the problems.

  106. Levi says:

    Oh no, not again!

    by the Lord = but the Lord

  107. Levi says:

    Suez: today there are thousands of preachers crying since the Lord’s resurrection for redemption. I do it to the people around me whenever I get opportunity. Come on, Suez, three and a half years of tribulation is nothing compared to these over 2000 years. Have they not preached?

    Indeed, Noah was a preacher of righteousness. I am sure he must have suffered humiliation for preparing an ark in the wilderness and at the times when the world had not even seen the rain. But I am not sure if he was beaten and I am sure he was not martyred. No, none of his family was martyred.

    Again, if they didn’t believe in Moses, they will not even believe if one rose from the dead.

    I am not selfish as Noah was also not selfish to get into the ark before the flood came. By the way, even post tribbers believe they will do the same only a bit later, say three and a half years later. :)

  108. Ron Murphy says:

    Bless you, brother. We understand your meaning. We all are human. We all make mistakes. If a man didn’t make any at all, it’s because he never done any thing.

  109. Levi says:

    Let God be true and every man be a liar. So let His Holy Word be true. If I am going to see the things happening from Mat 24 and other prophecies related to it, then I will ask the Lord for forgiveness and I know He is able to forgive me. Because I would be wrong, I will still see His mercies during that time even as they are on me today. I am not going to lose anything. The only loss is I would be humiliated: and that is OK with me.

    Now, post tribbers believe that they would not be present during second half which you call it as the wrath of God. But if it is not meant for you, then for whom is it written in the book of Revelation about this time?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      No Brother you miss understand our beliefs, please let me clarify. The second half, is the tribulation period according to our beliefs, of the week of indignation of the 70 weeks spoken by Daniel. The wrath of God is not connected to this tribulation period, it comes afterward. the 6th seal is the rapture the 7th seal is the wrath of God.

  110. Ron Murphy says:

    If you don’t believe in Matthew 24: 29 as being the raptured Church, then why is it that you all use the verses after that, to prove your doctrine? That one always puzzled me.

  111. Ron Murphy says:

    Noah suffered persecution, as the world partied, Noah entered the ark, then the wrath came.

    We suffer in tribulation, as the world celebrates the antichrist, the rapture comes, then the wrath comes.

    Jesus said as the days of Noah, so shall His return be.

    • STL says:

      Ron: I’mreally getting confused? Your sentence I do not fully understand in post 363. You said, “We suffer in Tribulation, as the world celebrates the antichrist, the rapture comes, then the wrath comes.”

      But every posts for the last 2 months you said the rapture comes at the end of the Tribulation?

      • Ron Murphy says:

        What didn’t you understand? I didn’t say rapture before tribulation. I said tribulation. and then I said rapture. The world celebrating the antichrist is during the tribulation period. Understand tribulation is not upon the world it is upon the Church and the Jews. They world will party hardy through the tribulation period. The devil will have his kingdom, though it be short lived. The worship of demons in Jerusalem is in order. They as in the Days of Noah will be given in marriage and marrying. The strength of the saint’s power on this world will diminish as we or scattered and killed.

        Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

  112. kat says:

    Thanks Suez I Will do that. :)

  113. Levi says:

    Ron: could you please show me where it is written that Noah suffered persecution?

  114. Ron Murphy says:

    There is no Bible for it . It is assumed by most. It was a wicked people, What would the world around you do, if you started building a giant boat in the middle of a land mass? So you think they wound not laugh at you? Try it and see.

  115. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

    This prophecy was not to just the Jews along.

  116. Ron Murphy says:

    Eze 5:2 Thou shalt burn with fire a third part in the midst of the city, when the days of the siege are fulfilled: and thou shalt take a third part, and smite about it with a knife: and a third part thou shalt scatter in the wind; and I will draw out a sword after them.
    Eze 5:3 Thou shalt also take thereof a few in number, and bind them in thy skirts.
    Eze 5:4 Then take of them again, and cast them into the midst of the fire, and burn them in the fire; for thereof shall a fire come forth into all the house of Israel.
    Eze 5:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD; This is Jerusalem: I have set it in the midst of the nations and countries that are round about her.
    Eze 5:6 And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.
    Eze 5:7 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye multiplied more than the nations that are round about you, and have not walked in my statutes, neither have kept my judgments, neither have done according to the judgments of the nations that are round about you;

  117. Ron Murphy says:

    Eze 7:2 Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land.
    Eze 7:3 Now is the end come upon thee, and I will send mine anger upon thee, and will judge thee according to thy ways, and will recompense upon thee all thine abominations.
    Eze 7:4 And mine eye shall not spare thee, neither will I have pity: but I will recompense thy ways upon thee, and thine abominations shall be in the midst of thee: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
    Eze 7:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD; An evil, an only evil, behold, is come.
    Eze 7:6 An end is come, the end is come: it watcheth for thee; behold, it is come.
    Eze 7:7 The morning is come unto thee, O thou that dwellest in the land: the time is come, the day of trouble is near, and not the sounding again of the mountains.
    Eze 7:8 Now will I shortly pour out my fury upon thee, and accomplish mine anger upon thee: and I will judge thee according to thy ways, and will recompense thee for all thine abominations.

  118. Ron Murphy says:

    Eze 9:4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

  119. Ron Murphy says:

    Eze 10:2 And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub, and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight.

    Rev 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.
    Rev 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

  120. Ron Murphy says:

    Ezek. 11:13 Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou make a full end of the remnant of Israel?
    Eze 11:15 Son of man, thy brethren, even thy brethren, the men of thy kindred, and all the house of Israel wholly, are they unto whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said, Get you far from the LORD: unto us is this land given in possession.
    Eze 11:16 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them as a little sanctuary in the countries where they shall come.
    Eze 11:17 and I will give you the land of Israel.
    Eze 11:20 That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
    Eze 11:21 But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith the Lord GOD.

  121. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
    Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
    Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
    Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

  122. STL says:

    Suez: why do you think I’m attacking Ron? I was asking him a question. Are you you second in command under Teacher Ron?

    I’m working on trying to be nice to everyone, but your pride causes you to be on your defense, to always be prepared to attack me?

    You should of listen to Texasredneck post?

    Question? do you feel that your atittude about me, is the way Jesus wants you to act as a loving Christian?

  123. STL says:

    Suez: yes, Our main book is the Bible. but there are of books in our history that supports the Bible scriptures? Which makes the Bible that much stronger!

    • Ron Murphy says:

      The Bible is stong enough on it’s own God don’t need history book He writes the future and the past, and present, too.

      • Ron we need to know history to understand the Bible

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Poison from your tongue, serpent, I see you have already bitten one brother.

          • STL says:

            Ron: Is that how you represent Jesus as a Christians in brotherly love? Calling Rev.2:9 he’s a serpent?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Serpent, indeed, to say Jesus is not who He says He is, and to say the Bible is a lie. Yes That’s the way I stand up to evil, Pastor to represent Jesus, Yes indeed. Anyone who comes against my Lord, I will speak against. He took up for me, I will stand for Him. How foolish you are to fall to this poison, Pastor. You have no discernment in you. How many times have you taken up for evil to come against me. You shame yourself.

          • STL says:

            Ron: there is several ways to represent Jesus.

            But again, would you think Jesus would call Rev. 2:9 a serpent?

            I come up against you because as you said, your a teacher of scripture, your leading others to God!

            Rev. 2:9 is just a mere student of scripture, as I believe I am also?

            I believe God said love all mankind, bad or good?

            As when you married Brenda for better or worse, then if Brenda became worse, would you stop loving her?

            I need always to try and show brotherly love to all christians and unbelievers.

            And I’m a failure, as I’m a sinner, showing my love to everyone, because of my pride in me!

            I rather shame myself than be lost from Jesus Salvation!

            And by learning from my shame, I learn to be a little more humble each time?

            Really when they walks Jesus to the cross, they were saying very shameful remarks to Him, as spitting on him, beating on him, nailing Him to the Cross!

            And what did Jesus say? They do not relize what they are doing to me?

            That’s forgiveness?

            Also doesn’t Jesus say, we are to act like he did!

            So are you acting, by calling Rev. 2:9 a SERPERT?

          • suez says:

            Ron, please ignore him, maybe he will just go away!! He isn’t worth the time or effort. Besides my opinion he and Rev. 2:9 are one in the same. That way he can make it look like someone agrees with him, while being able to double the attack!!! Discern brother, Discern!!!

          • Ron Murphy says:

            If that is true, Sister, then our brother is not a brother at all. But the enemy.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Sue I’ve found evidence to clear Pastor of this identity. post 174. Is not Pastor. He would never say such a thing.

          • Ron..you are going off the deep end..I never said what you are accusing me of.

        • I AGREE, there is a lot we don’t know,we forget our history , that’s why we repeat it.

      • STL says:

        Ron: That is only your opinion, maybe Rev. 2:9 needs more proof of the scriptures.
        Let’s look at Scripture: In Prov. 29:1 be who regards reproof is prudent.

        So that comes out of scripture?

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Scripture, pastor, he knows the Bible better than you do.
          He says it’s all a lie. Do you agree with him?

          • STL says:

            Ron: No I do not agree with him that the Bible is a lie, but I also do not believe your always telling the truth either. And if you state your truth comes from God, then you and God are perfect. I only see that God’s is perfect and you teach these scriptures as you see them? which sometimes you make mistakes in your comments?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Yes I make many mistakes. I’m just human, I have many failures, I’m weak. But God is in me, He is stronger than I, He is truth and He is life. He is perfect, not me.

          • Where did I say the Bible was a lie?

    • suez says:

      # 391 Again,,,DHA!!!

  124. STL says:

    SUEZ: Why do you believe that the KJV Bible is the correct Bible.
    As the first english version was the Geneva Bible!

    • No STL, the first English Bible was not the Geneva! I posted this previously but I’ll do it again in case anyone missed it. This is fact:

      The English Bibles are as follows: 1st – Gothic, 2nd – Anglo-Saxon, 3rd – Wycliffe, 4th – Tyndale, 5th – Geneva, 6th – Bishops, and the seventh English Bible was the King James.

      Psalm 12:6-7: “The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, PURIFIED SEVEN TIMES. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.”

  125. STL says:

    Suez: You said don’t take mans opinion!
    Would not you should of said, don’t take mankind opinion, that include both sexes?

  126. STL says:

    Suez: It not wrong or horrible what the Jews did before WW2?
    As Christian we are instructed to back up Isreal, not the Jews?

    Remember the Jews nailed Jesus to the cross! If you study the Bilderberg group, you’ll find out that the Jews are in 46% control of this New World Order.

    Hitler was half Askenazi Jew.
    Little story of Hitler beginning: His mother was unwed, her name was Marie Schickelberger, he was a illegtimate child of Leopold Frankenberg a Jewish man. His mother was a maid, in Frankenberg family. He was adopted by Johaan georg Hiedler, later spelled Hitler.

    So a half jew, went out to destroy his family race!

    Hilter was a very bad person, but if we do not study the bad in life we can not understand the good in life!

  127. Ron Murphy says:

    Quit beating the sheep, Pastor. Show love to your brethren. Who are you “O” Man to beat the sheep of the Good Shepherd? Are you a wolf in sheep’s clothing?

    • Maybe you are the wolf in sheeps clothing Ron

    • STL says:

      Ron: why do you as a good teacher of God’s Scripture, in one post you pant me on the back and on another post you slap me in my face from your comments.

      Is that the way Christians treat others?

      • Ron Murphy says:

        It just MIGHT BE YOU. Did you think of that? I try to encourage you and then you go get your switch out again. Quit coming against your brothers and sisters and taking up for the evil. You got some serious issues, Sir! You need to examine yourself closely. I tell you this out of love. You are breaking my heart.

    • STL says:

      Ron: Maybe at times it seems I’m a wolf, but also you come acrossed as a LION attacking us?

  128. STL says:

    DM2: You can ask me anything, just do not call me late for dinner? LOL

  129. chris says:

    If brothers and sisters followed the Word with the same carefulness used in choosing it, the church and the world would be a better place.

  130. STL says:

    Ron: So the Bible is in complete order of God’s words?

    Why did the canons leave out books from the Bible?

    Let see: 1st and 2nd books of Adam & Eve
    Book of Enoch
    Psalms of Solomon
    The odes of Solomon
    Testament of the 12 tribes of Judah
    Gospel of Thomas.
    And other books,

    These books were inspired by God words!

    • The books you mention here are NOT inspired by the Holy Spirit; this is why the English Bible does not contain them. You, STL, are a false teacher! Everyone needs to stop responding to this man and eventually he will go away, ignore him completely!

      (STL = Subtilty of Treacherous Legions).

  131. STL says:

    Ron: i’m not trying to be rude, but you said your 55 years old, your still young enough to work, “bring home the Bacon,” but you spend alot of your time on this web site, how do you do that?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      I’m retied coal miner I give hard years underground. My body is not what it used to be. Even at that I don’t draw SS, or food stamps. I do a little work here and there from my Heating & Cooling company, mostly to help friends and family, and quite a bit of charity work. Mostly for churches, widows and pour, and such. Why is my personal life so important to you?

      • suez says:

        Praise the Lord, Ron that is a hard and dangerous life. Thank you for your service in the minds so that people can have heat in their houses!! I hope if their is any SS left when you get old enough you draw on it. You worked hard for it. Better you get it than those who never worked for it!! God Bless you Brother!! :) There are ways to ask questions of people, and ways not to! Right? Myself, I prefer someone to ask me a question without sarcasm!! :) Bless you Brother for your kind and loving heart!! And Brenda too!!

    • suez says:

      Yes you are Steve. You do mean to be rude, over and over and over again…Why is it any of your business what Ron does with his time, anyway?

  132. Ron Murphy says:

    Ask God.
    Some of these were before the flood, Man can write fairytales and fables. God protected His Word, Men died for it, including King James.

  133. STL says:

    Suez: USA is in debt to China about 17 trillion in dollars and it grows daily?

  134. STL says:

    SUEZ: Why can not you act like Jesus, representing Him in a peaceful manner? But you come across attacking other calling them as KKK, on one hand your a loving Christian and on the other hand your condemning others? Is that the way Jesus want you to act in His behalf?

  135. STL says:

    SUEZ: Why do not you tell the truth? You hate me? You wish I would just go away and never come back to NTEB?

  136. STL says:

    Ron is scare to read other history books than only the Bible, as it will lead him from his theories in his beliefs?

    • suez says:

      Who cares, “what is that to the, follow thou me”, is what the Bible says…Your sure concerned about what others think all the time, aren’t you??? If you confident in your beliefs, then who cares what others believe and what they don’t. My goodness anyway.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Not true at all, I don’t want to offend God , by looking at other avenues than Him. He is our God if He shows you then it is true. To learn from others offends Him as you did not trust in Him to get understanding. I trust God to show me, not man.

  137. suez says:

    I do not hate you. I pity you. And yes I wish you would go away and not come back. All you do is create Strife! Thats why. It’s like you are of a split personality, one time you can actually be nice for a couple minutes anyway, then, something snaps, and then your like a different person, with venom coming out of your mouth. I can love you in the Lord Steve, and I can forgive you because Christ has forgiven me, but it really doesn’t do any good, because you just start all over again. And on and on and on it goes. It never stops!! So yes, if you can not be nice and offer love and concern for everyone here, and stop with all the bashing and strife, yes please go away, and do not come back!!!

  138. Ron Murphy says:

    You talk foolish , Steve, no one hates you, they just don’t like the whipping you give every one. Show love and you get love, back. We all love you, dearly. You’ve been my friend for a while now.

  139. STL says:

    I’m half jew, and my father was totally jewish, and I loved him, we when I became a BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN and my father told me never visit him again because I abandon the jewish faith and I abandon him also, but I still Loved Him!

  140. STL says:

    I wonder how Timothy felt being Jewish and Greek, when he took up and follow Paul, and only his grandmother was christian. His whole family abandon him?

  141. STL says:

    Suez: you really enjoy being mean with your insults, DHA!!!!!!!!!
    Remember we all have to standf in front of Jesus, what’s your comment: DHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

    • suez says:

      It’s only because you state things to me that most everyone already knows. Like you telling me things I wouldn’t know. Do you think I’m stupid? I don’t think your stupid. I wouldn’t offer you things that most people already know, like your some dummy or something. that is why I said DHA. think about it.

  142. Ron Murphy says:

    But he had the Lord . He had every thing. So do you. You done have to worry about the future, It’s going to be wonderful in our heavenly kingdom.

    • STL says:

      Ron: You said, its going to be wonderful in our heavenly kingdom. That if you make it there? You still need to go through part of the Tribulation, you might just fail and take the mark of the beast?

      • Ron Murphy says:

        No I’m here to tell you the only way they will give it to me is in my dead body.

        • STL says:

          Ron: You say that now, but when the time comes, you just might do what you said, you would not do, from fear of your life?

          Did not Peter say at the last supper, Lord I will never forsake you?

          Then in the court yard Peter abandon Jesus three time and once in front of Jesus!

          So do not say it can not happen?

      • Joseph says:

        That is a terrible thing to say to a fellow Christian. Why would you say such a thing?? Ive been reading this blog through and all you to is try and start fights.

  143. STL says:

    SUEZ; Your going to find out who you really are in front of Jesus?

  144. suez says:

    I’m sorry for what you have had to go through. But do you think your the only one here that has been through horrible things. Some of us just don’t choose to share all of our trials and tribulations, not wanting people to feel sorry for us. That is life, it is full of sorrows, for a lot of people. So seem to have more than others. It is a tough world out there. But we must grab unto God more tightly than ever, because we haven’t seen anything yet…:( Have faith in God!!!

  145. STL says:

    Suez: I was wondering why he had so much time on his hands? But again your comment, Picky and picky, attack and attack?

  146. STL says:

    SUEZ: Why should I go away, I just love your rude comments to me!

  147. STL says:

    SUEZ: I’m not asking you to feel sorry for me and we know that would never happen from you?
    all I made a comment that I suffered also in my life, so I do not need to go into the Tribulation to suffer more?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      All the suffering that you do may not amount to much on in this life, but to suffer for righteousness sake, profits a man greatly. Do you understand that. the most you suffer for God the more the blessing, by 100 fold.

      • suez says:

        Amen Ron, only what we suffer for the Lord counts. All other is just plain suffering…no rewards for that!!! It is in those things, that we are to grow up in the Lord, and be humbled and learn to trust in God more. Suffering in this world= learning , growing, and humbleness Suffering for the Gospels sake=Rewards in Heaven!!! IMHO anyway.

  148. suez says:

    Ok, then I will stop talking to you altogether. In closing, I wish you the best in your life. I hope one day you will get over all your anger, and be filled with Gods love for others. I hope you have a happy life, and that God blesses you. I wish only the best for you and your family and I pray they get saved. That being said, goodbye STL

  149. STL says:

    Suez: that word you use over and over against me, YOUR PATHETIC!

    Don’t you have any other rude comments, that one is getting old?

  150. Ron Murphy says:

    Zec 1:12 Then the angel of the LORD answered and said, O LORD of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years?
    Now we know the last week is yet to come.

    Zec 1:15 And I am very sore displeased with the heathen that are at ease: for I was but a little displeased, and they helped forward the affliction.
    As I told you the tribulation didn’t affect the wicked , they are at ease.

    Zec 1:16 Therefore thus saith the LORD; I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies: my house shall be built in it, saith the LORD of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth upon Jerusalem.
    Jesus will rebuild the city at the beginning of the Millenium.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Chapter 2 of Zechariah prove the rebuilding of the city without the walls.

      Zec 2:10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD.
      Zec 2:11 And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.
      Zec 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.
      Zec 2:13 Be silent, O all flesh, before the LORD: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation.

  151. suez says:

    If we all would put the # of the post on, that we are want people to repley back to, when we comment, it would be so much easier to find, wouldn’t it? Than to have to scroll all the way through every post? Just a idea!! :) Unless I’m missing something easy that I don’t know about?? LOL

    • Ron Murphy says:

      That is a good idea, but the only problem is if someone post above that one it changes number.

      • suez says:

        But at least it may put is in the general area…! LOL

      • suez says:

        I have been looking for the commet you made about that would mean — is the enemy…Well, isn’t it about time to start looking at the fruit that has been produced for months and months?? We are to be fruit pickers. Once we pick, we better examine it!! I have been seeing some rotten fruit myself! :( Think hard on that please!

  152. Ron Murphy says:

    How can a man have real faith in God and fear death so much? Do they not trust in Him???? What is to fear if perfect love casts out fear? Jesus said fear not over and over and over again.

  153. Joseph says:

    Ron, I personally feel blessed that you have “time on your hands” to post on here. I have gained a lot from your knowledge of scripture. That also goes to Suez and Brenda. We are blessed to gave your insight.

  154. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

  155. James says:

    Let me point out a few things.
    1. Born-Again Christians being the bride/body of Christ will not enter the tribulation. The whole church will be taken to heaven. Partial rapture theories are a myth and go against the Word of God. No rapture is even more implausable and unscriptural.
    2. The Jews were/are/will always be God’s chosen people. Isreal belongs to the Jews and the Church IS NOT Isreal. If any Christian in this day and age supports a palestinian state you better repent and turn to God….for you are spitting in His face.
    3. We are living in the last days of the Age of Grace. We are currently the Laodician Church. People need to wake up and look up for our redemption is near. When the rapture happens the Holy Spirit will turn to Isreal and seal 144,000 Jews who will go forth preaching the coming Kingdom of God.
    4. Always pray in the Holy name of Jesus…for only Jesus saves…only the Blood of Jesus will wash you clean of all your sin…Jesus is KING of Kings and LORD of lords.

    • suez says:

      Amen James, I agree with most everything you say, except maybe #1. I’m still working on the timing of the catching away!! :)

      • Ron Murphy says:

        I agree with little he says, but that is yours Sister. God bless you.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          James I agree with the most part of #2 and all of #4. Church ages are mans devices.

        • suez says:

          I said most. I agree that Israel is Gods Chosen people. I agree that we should not support Israel! I agree that the Church is not real Israel, we are grafted in. I agree we may be the Laodician Church. I agree that: 4. Always pray in the Holy name of Jesus…for only Jesus saves…only the Blood of Jesus will wash you clean of all your sin…Jesus is KING of Kings and LORD of lords. that is the mostly I agree with. The other stuff, is the I don’t agree stuff!!!! LOL

          • James says:

            I did not say I don’t support Israel. I support Israel 1000% percent. I said I dont support a Palestinian state or Arabs trying to take land from Israel. Those who oppose Israel are calling God a liar for He is the One who sustains them and will fight for them during the Gog/Magog war Ezekial 38.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      James, do you have proof of the 144000 preaching and just who will they preach to?

  156. Levi says:

    Ron: about Noah suffering. He was persecuted is not found in the Bible and it is an assumption made by scholars. Fine. Assumptions can be good and also bad.

    Anyway, now you said if I tried to build an ark what would happen to me. Don’t you see what is already happening? We are mocked and humiliated for our faith in that ‘fairy tale’? It is humiliation and Noah must have gone through that. I can’t believe he went through physical persecution because during those times I ASSUME (a little freedom for me also to assume :) ) there angels walking openly on earth. There could have been a great protection from God directly or through His angels. The people were continuously evil. There were giants and they could have destroyed the ark very easily without the holy angels protecting it. Just my thinking.

    • suez says:

      Ok, off on another topic!! LOL Where did the Giants come from, and why did God do away with them???

      • Ron Murphy says:

        You sure you want to go there? I have a theory that blows Evolutionist out of the water. And make the Bible look real. Untold for the most part, but it is just speculation we have to keep it there. I made D City angry with it.

        • suez says:

          Well, lol haven’t you known my second name…Curious Georget??? LOL Of coarse I want to hear it!!! I may not agree, if that is ok…lol

          • Ron Murphy says:

            That Ok. But I’m not getting into debate about it I don’t have enough Bible for it. Once it’s done I’ll answer question but I won’t argue with it.

            Most say it was giants that came from demon spirits, because of the book of Enoch and because of what Job said, the sons of God. Well many say also the son of God always refer to angels, but so do man. Back in Jobs day many people sought after God, Job’s friends to witness that fact. I believe the sons of God were presenting themselves here on earth and satan came in with them.
            I don’t believe God made angels to reproduce. The don’t have reproductive organs. Or else this whole world would be in trouble.
            Now this may get lengthy please bare with it. We know that science has proof of a different type of human, it’s undeniable, the Neanderthal man. So just were did these man come from they were not Giants. So I believe when God made the animals He desired a man like creature but not with a soul. And He like it so well, He decided to make one with a soul in his own image, forth came Adam, the next day. So as Cain left after he Killed his brother, Abel, he Took a wife of this tribe and begin to inter breed with these animal like man, to give what we have today the different specimens of evolution theory. So this offspring could be the daughters of men in Genesis 6:1 and the sons of God in verse 6:2 could be the sons of Adam in God’s image.

            Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
            Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

            Now if it had been demons would it not say slept with them instead of saying took wives.

            What was meant by “he is flesh, also” in this verse.
            Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
            So here we have God commanding this type of man to live only 120 years. Well we see Noah and his sons living much longer into many hundreds of years after this saying. So who was God referring to.
            Now we see the giants in verse 6:4 in those day.

            Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

            Now how did these giant form. If we look to science we see the story of the liger . The Liger is a hybrid of a female tiger and a male lion. The results are a Giant from the two nearly double in size. But this only works one way change the sexes the other way and it fails.
            Now with this said we see Noah, his generations, meaning He did not have this hybrid breeding in his loins.

            Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
            Gen 6:10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

            So when the flood came all of that Neanderthal gene and Hybrid with it, was destroyed in the flood.

            So here we have maybe not the truth, but maybe a better way of looking at evolution.

          • suez says:

            Well, it certainly is interesting, but I will have to set it on the shelf! LOL By the way, there were giants after the flood also!!! :) Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; AND ALSO after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” “Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.” “Deu 3:13 And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants. ” There are more scriptures proving they were there after the flood. don’t ask me how, I have no idea. I guess it just one of those mysteries, we will never figure out!! Don’t forget about Goliath!

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Well , I done refute that, But even today some have traces of Neanderthal in our blood. One of Noah’s son’s wife may of had the blood of the giants genes in her, possibly Hams wife. He was a rebel to begin with. There offspring could of made it down the line, through Nimrod. But, again speculation, just a theory. That’s all. But it would explain science and evolution altogether.

          • suez says:

            Bro. Ron. Me thinks you have been watching to much of The History Channel!!! Te He…lol :)

          • suez says:

            I am not sure where the Giants came from, so I can’t argue with anyone on that one…LOL I don’t think anyone really knows. That along with the dinosaurs is a mystery. God will tell us all when we are with him in the New Jerusalem!! I will be the first to sit at Jesus feet and have a 1,000 questions for him~~!!! LOL He knows how inquisitive I am, and how I try and figure everything out and want the answers to everything!!! That’s just how I am. :) Do you know of the 3 earth ages theory??

          • Ron Murphy says:

            We will put it on back on the shelf. :)

      • James says:

        Giants are also known as the nephilim. They are the product of fallen angels having offspring with human females. The nephilim were destroyed in the Flood…But the fallen angels performed the same act after and more were born. Some of the nephilim were Bashan, King of Og, and Goliath. http://www.raptureready.com/faq/faq333.html

        • James says:

          And I forgot to mention that nephilim are wicked and evil creatures who are powerful (were known as gods in ancient times). That is why God destroyed them through the flood and Israel.

        • suez says:

          Yes, James that is the theory of some, but that really can’t be totally proven by scripture. They are imputing there on ideas on that is what I think. I just have a hard time believing that God made angels with sex organs!! When he said, “Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.” If that were the case why aren’t they doing that today. If someone turns up pregnant and they claim a angel did it,,,who would believe it??? Yikes, I better get a covering on my head!!!! “1Co 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.”

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Sue , Ham begat Canaan, Canaan begat the Philistines. Ham begat Cush, also. The father of Nimrod. His wife might of been impure. Nimrod was a mighty man upon the earth. Just to add thought.

          • suez says:

            Like I said,,,lol on the shelf. I got nothing…:)

          • James says:

            You quote Matt 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.” Yet you fail to understand that fallen angels ARE NOT as the angels of God in heaven. They are demonic beings who have no scruples about impregnating humans and may be what people are claiming that are “alien beings from other planets” which so happen to be doing the same today. There are thousands of cases of alien abduction and even some claim that they had sex with them. The Bible never claims angels…whether from God or not—are sexless…only that the angels of heaven do not marry.

          • Levi says:

            James: The Bible doesn’t say that the angels cannot reproduce but it does say that they do not marry. Very true.

            But I have seen pictures of demons doing this dirty act with women. Mostly you can see them in rock music.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Well there is no doubt God wasn’t going to let anything happen to that ark. He not going to order something to see it destroyed without that intention. I can’t argue a point we have no bible for. So I recant on this one, Brother. It is your win hands down, God bless you.

    • suez says:

      Levi, who is mocking and humiliating you for your faith in what? Are you talking about pre-trib? I have never mocked anyone to my knowledge that believes in that. I used to be also. Like I have said many times. We all can have our idea’s, but it is only God that knows for sure! It will happen like he says, not as we think! No problems here with me Bro.!! :)

      • Ron Murphy says:

        He talking about me, Sue. I said that pretrib doctrine was a fairy tale, and I still do. But I have a right to that claim. If what they believe is to be true then they should not be offended. God will judge me if I wrong.

  157. Ron Murphy says:

    If only one rapture then it has to be after tribulation. If not then it has to be more than one. Or else Matthew 24:31 is not true. Let look at Mark 13 for the answer instead.

    Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
    Mar 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
    Mar 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
    Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

    • suez says:

      Yes, agreed!!!! :)

    • James says:

      There’s not enough room to explain the pre-trib rapture so please look it up on http://www.raptureready.com/rr-pretribulation-rapture.html. There’s too much biblical evidence that supports a pre-trib rapture and not enough to support mid-trib or post trib. As far as the 144,000….7:3-8
      King James Version (KJV)

      3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
      4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of ALL the TRIBES of the children of ISRAEL.
      5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
      6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
      7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
      8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

      These tribes are JEWS…not Christians.

  158. kat says:

    has anyone seen the article in Yahoo news about a place in Europe where no one knows what is going on there and a lot of the “elites” going for secret meeting.

    • suez says:

      Haven’t seen it yet, but I would bet it may be the Briendenburgs or how ever you spell it. All the corrupt big wheels in all the worlds governments. Planing their next move for the NWO no doubt!!! :)

  159. Levi says:

    Anybody who thinks that the Bible was manipulated, I cannot even talk to that person because very soon he/she may deny even Jesus Christ. We know Jesus Christ through His Holy Bible. The Lord has preserved it. I would better trust the men of God, who were led by the Holy Spirit and lived all their lives in the fear of God than today’s you tubers. I cannot give any comment on the likes of book of Enoch but as far as they are not in the Holy Book, then they are not for me nor for my spiritual edification.
    So people, who stand against the Word of God, the Holy Bible should remember that he wrath of God is not far from them. Repent or perish!

    • suez says:

      A big Amen to that Brother Levi!!! Preach on!!!! :)

    • suez says:

      Levi, Isn’t that just what the Devil wants. To get everyone so confused and messed up about the KJ Bible, and the History of the Bible ,that then we have no ground to stand on altogether!! Take away Gods word, twist it, turn it around, degrade it, make like it isn’t real anymore. That is what the Devil wants. And anyone to me who does this sort of thing is on the Devil’s side!! God’s word is all we have, if the Devil can get one to believe that it isn’t real, then he has us. I for one will stand for the King James Bible come any devil in hell!!! Damm the devils torpedo’s God is on my side!!!! :)

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Amen , Brother.

  160. suez says:

    Ron, not according to some, who say I’m not even saved!!! :(

    • Ron Murphy says:

      What are you referring to Sue I’m lost on this one?

      • suez says:

        God forbid!!! NO, I’m talking about our dear friend STL!!! Never you my Brother!! Never!! He is always saying I am not a Christian because I don’t take his evil comments without coming back at him. Therefore, I’m not the christian…:)

    • kat says:

      Sue only you know your relationship with God. Don’t let people think they do. I myself don’t go to church all the time. Not because I don’t want to but Im trying to find a church that has a good youth program for my toddler, and the ine I go to is very very small maybe like 30 people on a good day. I live in southern WV so we fot a lot of small churches here.

      • suez says:

        Thanks Kat…:) I am very confident in my relationship with the Lord. There is one here, that is always telling me I am not a christian, because I won’t take his abuse without coming back at him…LOL thanks and I hope the Lord will direct you to a good King James Bible Believing Church!!! That is a rarity here in my area, so I hope you can find one!!! :)

      • Ron Murphy says:

        We also are here in southern, WV.

  161. kat says:

    Yeah only the Baptist churches here only uses kjv. We got a lot of chirch of God, holyness and Methodist here. It’s a rare sight to see a Catholic church here. there is inly two in a 40mile radious. It’s best not to let people try to think for you, many of the ways Satan can get into your head. If it feels wrong deep inside of ya, 9/10 means it is.

  162. Levi says:

    Suez: no, I haven’t seen you mocking. I did not point this at you. Ron has accepted it and he knows it. Thanks to him for admitting. Not only here, but other places as well they mock the pre trib doctrine. Just because they don’t understand it. Do they think we follow this doctrine without even thinking about it?

    During Noah’s time, the people were carnal and the sinners failed even to have a basic understanding that ‘it will rain someday and we would be wiped away so let us at least try to understand what Noah is doing. Let us ask Noah what is he doing with those huge wooden logs and he has been doing that for decades now.’ The word of God says their thoughts were continually evil. Secondly, do you think every one in his family believed in what he was doing? I think, they must have questioned Noah about his huge investment of time in building up this huge fairy tale boat. I want to assume this because I don’t find any of Noah’s family being commended for their faith in the Bible. But the Bible clearly states that Noah found grace in he eyes of the Lord. I don’t say his family was evil but I am sure they were not up to the mark of Noah.
    So then it was a carnal boat or a place and the people did not understand the carnal things. But now it is spiritual and sad to say the same that the spiritual people cannot understand this spiritual event taking place. I don’t say, I am Noah here. I think I am nowhere close to the righteousness of his children but through Christ I am better than Noah; but our Noah is Jesus Christ. He promised that He is preparing a place for us. While this spiritual ark is being prepared the longsuffering of God waits and there are very few who are of His family who would be saved. This is spiritual and spiritually understood. I am sure you all know this but I am saying this for myself.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      On the contrary, Brother I know your doctrine very well and I understand it very well, also. I would not dare call it a fairy tale without knowing it well. That would be a fools game. Peace to you, Brother, God bless you.

  163. Levi says:

    James: amen. Here they all believe, except for one or two, that the 144k are pure Jews. The children of Israel.
    But let God be praised that He would seal His firstfruits, not only to God but also unto the Lamb. Though they both are one yet there is something why the Bible separates these two offices of God here.

    • James says:

      There are 2 classes of God believing people. The first were the saints that existed before Christ died and who went to sheol. When Jesus died he took those with him to heaven, but not with ressurected bodies. The 2d class is the church. We are considered to be the Bride of Christ. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit of God. When the Lord removes us in the rapture then God will focus back on Israel. 2 Thessalonians 2:7 states that the Holy Spirit is holding back evil and the appearance of the Antichrist until he is removed. Since we are sealed with the Holy Spirit we will be removed (raptured) at that time. For God will never leave us or forsake us. Once removed believers will be like they were before Christ died. Those tribulation believes are seperate from us. We all belong to the same family but are different.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        James it is easy to speculate, could you please give scripture for your beliefs.

      • suez says:

        With all due respect James, where does it say the Holy Spirit is holding back evil??? It says:2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
        2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
        2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders” It doesn’t say who it is!!!! I have my own ideas of late, I really have been studying and praying about this. I think the Lord is showing me something.

        • James says:

          To answer your question…It is the Antichrist. The mystery of iniquity is the spirit of antichrist. The wicked revealed is the Devil embodied in Antichrist whom the Lord shall destroy with His coming.

          • James says:

            And only the Holy Spirit holds back the appearing of the Antichrist.

          • suez says:

            Not necessarily…Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Maybe this might have to do with the: Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Maybe the great falling away is Satan falling like lightning. Maybe the mystery of iniquity, which is the anti-christ Spirit is with-held, until Satan falls like lightning, then that wicked is reveled!! Ever think about that? It couldn’t be the Holy Spirit, he is not going to be taken out of the here, and it can’t be the church, because the church isn’t referred to as a HE!!! Just something to chew on, if you have a open mind!!! Just my opinion, not saying it is the truth, just something to think on!!!

        • Suez, God bless you. We, the church, are the light of the world and Jesus said that we are to let our light so shine for all to see. Satan is the prince of darkness for there is no light in him. As long as there is light in the world, Satan cannot have full reign. The light must be removed, caught up (raptured). If you sit in a room with the light on, you will see shadows cast about, picture these shadows as Satans work. It is limited, or restrained, due to the light. Now if you were to turn off, or remove the light, picture this as Satan having full reign. He can now do his will. We, the Church, are the restrainer. As long as Bible believing Christians remain on earth, Satan is restricted, or restrained. When God sees fit for the Church to be removed from earth, then Satan, who rules the earth, will have free reign of the earth.

      • STL says:

        James: You said there is two classes of people. First was the saints existed before christ died and who went to sheol.

        1. Shoel is also called the pit, or hell.
        2. the saints did not go to sheol.
        3. As in Luke 16: 23-26, speak that the saints went to Abraham Bosom, they did not go to sheol.

        Then you said, after Jesus died, took those with him to heaven, but not in resurrected bodies.
        1. you said, they were not in resurrected bodies, so they must of been spirits, and we know we can not see spirits?
        2. But in Matthew 27: 52-53 explains: and the tombs were opened and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised.
        3. Now in verse 53: and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many.
        4. If they were not in resurrected bodies, then how did the people in Jerusalem see these saints?

        Then you said, the church are considered the Bride of Christ? Where does it say that the church is the bride of Christ?

        The rest of your post is about the pre-tribbers, that a few of us believe will happen before the Time of Jacob!

        In 2 Thess. 2: 3 the apostasy comes first and then the lawless ness is revealed!
        then in verse 6: and you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he may be revealed.
        verse 7: for the mystery of the lawlessness is already at work; he who now restrains will do so until he ( restrainer) is taken out of the way.

        As pre-tribbers believe that the restrainer is the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit lie within in the Born Again Christiaqns of John 3:3-16

        • James says:

          First…let me address your last and go to the first of your comments. We are living in a lawless society RIGHT NOW. Obama blatantly disregards the laws of God and man. People are killing each other and even their unborn babies in record numbers, homosexuality is running rampant, people are practicing blatant witchcraft(Piercings all over their bodies, tattoos, celebrating Halloween, Harry Potter(using real spells)..just to name a few. This society and church IS APOSTATE!! this only means we are so close to the rapture we can blink and it will be upon us. Read this to learn about the bride. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_of_Christ .
          Abrahams Bosom was in sheol…albeit a seperate part of it.
          Those who were resurrected when Jesus was…did not gain their incorruptible bodies and ascend to heaven…they died again. They wont see their true resurrected bodies(the ones that will never die) till the first resurrection. I hope this addresses all your concerns.

          • suez says:

            About post #540 James…Agree with the top part, but the last paragraph I have to say…Huh???? Never heard that one before!!!! “Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:” I will need scripture on what you said there Brother!! :)

          • James says:

            Question for you…. How many times did Lazarus die?

          • suez says:

            Then I guess God is a lier? Right? How do you explain it then? Maybe that was just for Jesus to do the miracle? I have no clue. But I just know that the scriptures says, appointed once to die. I don’t have all the answers in the bible. If you can help me to understand this, it would sure be helpful to me. :)

          • James says:

            God is not a liar…it is the lack of understanding that is the issue. Ok..let me explain…Lazarus was raised from the dead by Jesus. He was raised in his current mortal form…not in his glorified body. All of our regular bodies are still under the curse of sin, until we get our glorified bodies. Since Lazarus fell into that catagory he had to die again. The same thing also happened to all the saints who were resurrected when Jesus was, and the child who died and was resurrected. Without a glorified body sin will eventually kill you. The wages of sin is death. It may be possible that those people recieved judgement right after they died and before they were resurrected. The story Jesus told about Lazarus and the rich man may give you some insight about it….because it was a true story and not a parable as some believe. I can’t explain everything I know in human terms but trust in the Lord, read your bible, and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal Gods Word to you.

          • Sheol is an untranslated Hebrew word for hell. (Mostly found in the corrupt NKJV). The King James says it correctly,…hell! Sheol, Hades, Tartarus, Gehenna, the grave, etc…they are all…hell, hell, hell, hell! Hell is frightening, it instills fear into a person. Most people do not have fear of sheol, hades, tartarus, or gehenna, nor the grave because they don’t understand Hebrew or Greek. They have a tendency to believe that one is not as bad as the other. I have news for you, they are all HELL! People burn in HELL, are tormented in HELL, it is a place where the worm dieth not, it is everlasting torment! Abrahams bosom was located in hell prior to the crucifixion of Christ for there was no redeeming blood, however after the crucifixion, Christ descended into hell (Abraham’s bosom) and led the captivity captive (Eph. 4). In other words, he relocated the people who followed after God, and Abraham’s bosom, to Heaven. Abraham’s bosom is now known as Paradise. The spirits of the people were taken to Heaven, they DID NOT DIE AGAIN. When Christ appears for his saints, then their bodies (and the bodies of the dead) will be caught up along with those who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them (I Thes. 4:13-18).

          • suez says:

            A big Amen, and beautifully said!!! Totally agree!! Where to people come up with this stuff. Die again?? I never heard that one before. Thanks for this wonderful and scriptural post Have Ye!!! God Bless you! :)

          • Levi says:

            Have: Are you referring to this verse, when you say that Jesus went to hell to lead the captivity captive? But I don’t see a word ‘hell’ here.

            Ephesians 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

            According to what you said, hell = fire and and place of tormented.

            If so, do you mean to say that people in Abraham’s bosom were tormented? I am sure, they were not tormented. As we know from the story of Lazarus and rich man.

            So can we conclude that Jesus did NOT go to hell but to Paradise, where these OT saints were?
            According to what He promised the thief on His right “This day thou shalt be with me in Paradise”. Abraham’s bosom is not NOW known as paradise but was BEFORE was known as Paradise as Jesus already mentions about Abraham’s bosom before He died. After He died He emptied that place. This is how I understand.

          • Hi Levi, the people in Abraham’s bosom were not tormented, only those in Hell. You see, prior to the Crucifixion of Christ, no one could enter Heaven because their sins have not yet been forgiven, and we know that nothing defiled can enter the God’s Kingdom. The old sacrifice of goats and lambs would only cleanse the people for a year, and had to be repeated every year. Jesus Christ was ONCE FOR ALL. Abraham’s bosom was located in a specific location in Hell seperate from the wicked. This can be seen in Luke 16:19-24. Lazarus died and the angels had taken him to Abraham’s bosom; when the rich man died he was buried, and in ‘hell’ he lift up his eyes being in torments (plural), and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. Also see verses 25-26 where it says that there is a great gulf fixed between them so that one cannot pass over from one side to the other. Those in Abraham’s bosom were protected by the angels; the rest were in torments.

            When Jesus was crucified he went to Abraham’s bosom, which was located in hell at the time. He then took those held there, and the place called ‘Abraham’s bosom’ and relocated them, and it, to Heaven. Now all the O.T. saints and those who believed in God are in Heaven. Just as we will be given a new name when we get to Heaven, so too was ‘Abraham’s bosom’ given a new name…’Paradise’. Jesus had foreknowledge of this when he told the thief, “To day shalt thou be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43). This is the FIRST mention of ‘Paradise’ in the Bible, and it was by Jesus Christ himself.

          • James says:

            I’m talking about those who were resurrected by Jesus on earth. Lazarus being an example. Lazarus died and was dead for several days before Jesus resurrected him. What happened to Lazarus when Jesus ascended to heaven? Did Lazarus continue to live till our present day? Did Lazarus ascend to heaven with Jesus and if he did why isnt it recorded?
            Or did Lazarus die again to be resurrected at the rapture? Also all non-believers in Christ will die twice. They experience their normal death of the body, are judged, and face the 2d death in the Lake of Fire.

    • suez says:

      I myself, don’t know who the 144,000 are!!! All I know is they come from the twelve tribes!!! lol

      • Levi says:

        No body knows who they are but all we know what the scriptures say that they are from all tribes of the children of Israel and thus we believe.

  164. Ron Murphy says:

    Yes The 144000 are the 12 tribes of Jacob, They are used to repopulation the earthly kingdom in the millennium, to their own borders, being the first fruits to start the kingdom as Christ rules over them and the nations. the church will reign also upon the earth with Him, in spiritual bodies.

    Hey Sue it’s lengthy, post 492. enjoy.

    • They are here to minister, NOT to repopulate the earthly kingdom! Where did you get this from? The first part of Revelation 14, verse 4, in speaking of the 144,000, says, “These are they which were NOT DEFILED WITH WOMEN; FOR THEY ARE VIRGINS.” These are servants of whom God himself will seal out of the twelve tribes of Israel; 12,000 from each tribe (Rev. 7:2-8). Revelation 14:4 goes on to say, “These are they which follow the Lamb withersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb”, verse 5, “And in their mouth was found NO GUILE: FOR THEY ARE WITHOUT FAULT before the throne of God.” They are the firstfruits of Israel, afterward the rest of Israel will follow.

      • Levi says:

        Perfect. They are with the Lamb withersoever He goeth. They cannot come and start reproducing here on earth and at the same time be with the Lamb.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        They are the chosen remnant of Jacob they will not be raptured. That is why they are sealed to protect them from the wrath of God. All other Jews will be Killed out they are the only ones left. Should I flood these pages with Bible for you. I can follow the Lord, too. He guides my every step. These will be the only ones that can repopulate the kingdom age. Being the firstfruits of the Kingdom. Do you deny Jacob his rightful heritage to live in Israel . All of Israel will be saved. Obadiah 17-21

        Jer_30:3 For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

        Zep_2:9 Therefore as I live, saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, Surely Moab shall be as Sodom, and the children of Ammon as Gomorrah, even the breeding of nettles, and saltpits, and a perpetual desolation: the residue of my people shall spoil them, and the remnant of my people shall possess them.

        Zec_8:12 For the seed shall be prosperous; the vine shall give her fruit, and the ground shall give her increase, and the heavens shall give their dew; and I will cause the remnant of this people to possess all these things.

        • Levi says:

          Ron: Please take no offense, my friend. Could you please show me from the Scriptures, where it is written that 144k are the only remnant? Or at least if you could kindly help me where it at least suggests that they are the only remnant and not even one would be added?

        • Please, during the Tribulation, yes, many who refuse to accept the mark of the beast will be killed. But to say that all the Jews, with the exception of the 144,000, will be killed is an outright lie. Many of God’s Chosen People (the Jewish People/Israel) will be accepting Jesus Christ as their Saving Redeemer. They had failed to accept and recognize him the first time he was on earth, but this time will be different. There are many Messianic Jews, those who have already accepted Jesus as their Messiah, who have recognized Jesus Christ here and now. Many more will come to this knowledge very soon, even during the time of the Tribulation. So please, do us all a favor and do not flood this site with ‘your choice’ of scripture, for you have already corrupted the word of God by using scripture out of its context.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        The 144000 in the wrath of God=

        Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Where did you get, they minister, from? Not Read
        I got the repopulate from the Bible not from some wolf.

    • Please help me to find in scripture where it says that the 144,000 are going to be repopulating the earthly kingdom in the millenium. Revelation 14:4 says, “These are they which were NOT DEFILED WITH WOMEN; FOR THEY ARE VIRGINS.” The only ones who will be able to ‘repopulate’ during the millenium will be those, first of all, who were not ‘caught up’ at the beginning of the Tribulation (the unbelievers) and those who survived the seven year Tribulation for these are the only ones who still have their earthly bodies. The resurrected saints and the 144,000 of the tribe of Israel have their resurrected bodies at this point and will be unable to ‘repopulate’ or reproduce. These 144,000 are in Heaven with Christ (the Lamb) and they are following him ‘withersoever he goeth’ (verse 4). They are also seen in Heaven singing before the Lamb as seen in verses 1-3. Where does this teaching come from that says these virgins repopulate? (That’s an oxymoron…virgins…repopulate).

      • suez says:

        Thanks Have, that has been a question of mine too…:)

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Show me the remnant of Jacob that the Lord Promised for the Land in the Kingdom Age. Here are the verses showing the Jews in the Kingdom age and the great many that die off. The 144000 are that remnant. If all Israel is to be saved then this remnant has to be the ones.

        Zec 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
        Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.
        Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
        Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
        Zec 14:10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
        Zec 14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
        Zec 8:4 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; There shall yet old men and old women dwell in the streets of Jerusalem, and every man with his staff in his hand for very age.
        Zec 8:5 And the streets of the city shall be full of boys and girls playing in the streets thereof.
        Zec 8:6 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If it be marvellous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in these days, should it also be marvellous in mine eyes? saith the LORD of hosts.
        Zec 8:23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          ******** Connection Remnant & 144000********

          Zep 3:12 I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the LORD.

          Zep 3:13 The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.

          Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

          Zep 3:14 Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem.

          Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

          Zep 3:15 The LORD hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more.

          Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.

          • You are confusing the scriptures. What you have quoted here (Zech. 8) is not refering to the Tribulation. It is speaking of Israel’s return from captivity. You are confusing past events with present events with future events. Your chronology is way off.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            None of these verses are during the tribulation. Tribulation just ended at this point. the verses in Rev. 14 that follow this scenario is actually at the same time, just after tribulation. I know it hard for you to see it. But it takes wisdom to understand that this is the 5th and 6th seals of the book of seals. Tribulation ends with the beginning of the 6th seal being opened up. Matt. 24:29.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            How could this in Zep. be past prophecy? This is God’s wrath at the battle of Armageddon.

            Zep 3:8 Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.
            To say this is past, is silly at best.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

  165. STL says:

    Suez: thank you for your nice comment, STL is a fool!

  166. STL says:

    Ron: you said, you fear God but not death!
    Have you ever experience death in your life? Have you ever started bleeding to death, and had to wait hours before you recieved medical help, praying to God not to let you die?

    We are all human, and as humans are fear of death?

    So how can you say you will not fear death?

    • suez says:

      I don’t fear death, it’s how I might get there that bothers me!!!! LOL

    • Ron Murphy says:

      I’ve come close to death many times, Pastor. when I was 14 I had surgery that I almost died, and would of died if the Lord hadn’t intervened. Then when I was 16 a car hit me at over 90 miles an hour, locked his brakes and snubbed my bicycle, bent the back wheel on a 45. God kept his hand on me through that one. When I was 17 a machine lathe nearly fail on me only the handle caught the wall to hold it up, it would of took me out, I know that. I’ve had many close call in the mines as well.
      God has protected me all the way. So yes I have come close many times but I trust I will go when He is ready to take me. I Fully trust in my Lord that When death comes I have no fear. My people all of them was the same way, when the died. We all served the Lord. Death is apart of life, why should we fear it if we believe.

  167. STL says:

    Kat: The Bilderberg meeting for NWO is in England this year!

  168. Levi says:

    Ron: I agree that you know it but I said you have not understood it. There are men in this world who know the scriptures but if they had understood it, they could have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Saviour.
    Also, there are people who became Christians just because someone told them but because they did not understand the God of the Bible, they fell and went back into the world, denying Christ.
    So this is the difference between knowing and understanding.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Okay if you say so, But I know I understand it very well, at least enough to preach it if I’d choose to. Brenda was a pretribber, she also understood it well. Now she sees the truth about it. Just saying. But all will be revealed in a short time. At least we will know to be ready either way, Brother, Amen? God Give you strength my, Brother. Never fear.

      • Levi says:

        After all it is your choice whether you want to believe it or not. Why else would you then preach in which you don’t believe? That could be silly, right?

        As I said, I have people who were post tribbers all their lives but when they came to the truth, they left it and believed the catching up before the horrible time.

        You are right. Everything will be revealed. I still do not know the time though, but I hope it would be soon.

        Even now, it is not me who has the strength to stand against the viles of the devil. I cannot stand. The Lord has not given me the spirit of fear but of power so whether I am right or wrong on the rapture’s timing, I am not going to lose anything. :)

  169. CandaceJoy says:

    I have been reading all these posts for awhile now and have been very surprised by and a little saddened by it all. First of all, suez: I am curious as to why you believe the KJV is the only qualified bible for christians to read? It is in a language we no longer use and is very hard to read. I personally like to read several translations and compare to get the full meaning of scripture. I think it is very legalistic to believe that only one version of the bible is correct. If we want to really be correct, we should all learn hebrew and aramaic so we can read the original.
    I don’t understand many of the posts on here from some people because they are very cryptic messages- especially from the pastor steve guy. I know I haven’t been involved in all these ongoing discussions but just saying… oh well, I probably should’ve just minded my own business. I guess the whole KJV thing kinda bothers me having come from a legalistic background and now I’ve been set free from religious spirits :)

    • suez says:

      That is fine Candace read whatever you want! I won’t argue about it. I have a lot of sound reasons, but it is impossible to debate, with those in love with the New Age versions. So, I won’t. But God Bless you!! :)

      • CandaceJoy says:

        I don’t know what you mean about being in love with the “New Age versions” but I will read KJV but as I stated before, that is not my native language– it was used centuries ago. There are a lot of people who have a hard time understanding it too. I just got the impression from your posts that KJV is the only acceptable Bible to read. Just remember that there are words that simply could not be translated correctly from Hebrew or Aramaic (the original language of the Bible) to English language. ALL translations of the Bible will be subject to some mistranslations. I appreciate your knowledge of Scripture Suez, just hope you don’t make others feel they MUST read KJV or go to a KJV church.
        God Bless :)

    • suez says:

      I will say after re-reading your note. I am far from a legalistic person. But I will stand on the King James to the death. Just like millions did to protect it back centuries ago!!! :)

    • Joseph says:

      Also Candace please don’t try and apply reason or logic to Steven. God bless him, he is a troubled soul.

  170. STL says:

    James: In 2nd Thess. 2:3 states: the apostasy will come first, then the lawlessnes will be reveal.

    So the lawlessness is the Antichrist and we know that the Antichrist will make a treaty with Isreal for 7 years and we know that the Tribulation is 7 years long!

    then in 2nd Thess. 2: 7 for the mystery of the lawlessness is already at work, only he who now restrains will do so until he (retrainer) also called the Holy Spirit is taken out of the way. And we know that the Holy spirit lies within in the Born Again Christian.

    • James says:

      The lawlessness is not the antichrist. The lwlessness is what is occuring right now in the world. Comment 532. The Wicked is the Antichrist.

  171. suez says:

    NEWSFLASH,,,,ATTENTION, NEWSFLASH!!!!!! Good News from the White House Concerning Pensions and Benefits

    نور اگر رفت سايه پيدا نيست نقش ديوار و چشم خيره
    ما نقش سايه دگر نمي دان نور اگر رفت سايه. ر رفت
    نور اگر رفت سايه پيدا نيست نقش ديوار و چشم خيره ما نقش سايه دگر نمي دان نور اگر رفت سايه. ررفت ديوار و چشم خيره ما نقش سايه دگر نمي دان نور اگر رفت سايه پيدانيست نقش ديوار و چشمخيره ماسايه
    ديوار و چشم خيره ما نقش سايه دگر نمي دان نور اگر رفت سايه پيدانيست نقش ديوار و چشم خيرهماپيدا

    نيست نقش

    If I hear anything else, I’ll let you know. rotflol tE hEEE

  172. Levi says:

    I feel it is better to be legal than to be illegal.

  173. Levi says:

    Suez: this is what exactly I want to say. You will see what you want to see. You have scriptures for all three kinds of raptures.

    • suez says:

      It seems that way according to everyone’s belief!!!

      • Levi says:

        Suez: I am sorry you misunderstood me. It was not for you but in general, when I said, ‘you will see what you want to see’

    • suez says:

      No, Levi I didn’t say I had, I said they have. meaning all three groups think they have their scriptures to back up their beliefs. I am sorting through them all right now!! :)

      • Levi says:

        And also this is generic as well ‘you have scriptures for all three kinds of raptures’

      • suez says:

        Levi, Well I take that back, poor choice of words. It’s getting late. What I meant is, when I am reading the Bible, I’m trying to get leading myself. But over the years of reading different opinions, I seen that each group has their scriptures that they use to back their interpretation. When I am reading the Bible, I am not looking to see anything, any certain way. I am reading with a open mind, asking the Holy Spirit to lead me into all truth! So, when God just has something jump out at me, that is life changing, what do you think I should do??? then I pray and continue to read, asking for more truth. Isn’t that what we are suppose to do? :(

        • Levi says:

          Suez: Exactly that is what we are supposed to do. Let the Lord lead us a guide us. For one thing I know. This is according to my experience. Once you know that the Lord (not man) has given you a certain doctrine, then do not leave it. Go ahead with it. If you doubt what the Lord has given, then there is no guarantee that you will stick to the new one either. You will keep changing and flow with every wind of doctrine.

          PS: Discretion needed when you are reading it as ‘you’ which is generic.

          • Levi says:

            This is what I have been trying to say. If you want to see yourself in tribulation, then the Lord will allow you to go through that. He will honour your faith. When He promised that He would keep you from the hour of temptation that is going to come on the whole world, to try them (note, not thee) that dwell on the earth, and you still want yourselves to prove something to the Lord, then the Lord will allow you to do that. Just as Peter did the same. He wanted to prove himself something to the Lord. The Lord knew that he would deny him. No doubt, he loved the Lord a lot; may be more than anybody else from the team did. But it is the Lord and He knows what is right and wrong. When He said that the time would be so bad that the world would not have seen such a worse time before nor will see after that. So it is up to you to decide.

            Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

          • suez says:

            Oh, my goodness! That is really what you think? I’m wanting to stay to prove myself before the Lord? You are silly!!! God forbid, I am not looking for a martyrs crown. I don’t like pain. I could stay here and face the world and the devil all by myself, and that wouldn’t prove anything to God about me. I have nothing to prove Levi. I am a sinner saved by grace through faith. Period. I am a ugly vile sinner, and if it wasn’t for Jesus Blood that washed me and made me whole, I would be bound for hell. So I am really confused about your above comments.. that simply is not true. Just because I am seeking Gods word for truth about the rapture timing does not make me want to be here. Far from it! that is just silly!!! I am shaking my head in disbelief, that you would think such a thing Brother. I am not trying to see myself in tribulation. I am trying to get Gods truth, whatever that may be. But thinking and claiming you won’t be here isn’t gonna change Gods mind if his timing is different than you want it to be. Sorry. I don’t know how else to explain this to you, so you will understand where I am coming from. What don’t you get about me seeking Gods truth?? That confuses me greatly? Goodnight I am tired, I have been in too many beatings today. I need the touch of my sweet Savior!! :) God Bless you Levi, you are a blessing to me!!!

          • Levi says:

            Why do I get stuck up with that ‘you’ thing? I missed this time mentioning it as a generic case. I am sorry again.

            You took it all personally to yourself.

          • Levi says:

            Suez: but right now, go and have a good sleep dear sister. May the Lord give you peace. We will talk tomorrow, God willing.

          • suez says:

            PS. My faith is NOT in the tribulation dear one!!! My faith is in Jesus Christ!! :)

          • Levi says:

            I know that. :) Good night and may the Lord bless you.

          • suez says:

            I’m sorry brother, but I am not of the understanding of generic? Sorry. I thought that was a product that said it was like the real thing, but it was cheaply made…LOL

        • Ron Murphy says:

          That is the only way, Sister. If you mix untruth with truth that stops God from teaching you anything else. Let him lead you and He will. Don’t get impatient with Him. He will deliver, sooner or later. Once you can see something He will take you a little deeper. If you need to know of a certain part, ask Him for it and wait on Him before you go on. That pleases Him so much, for you to do so.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            I know you already know this I’m not insulting your intelligence, but I wrote it for others to see. Bless you, Sister. :)

          • suez says:

            No offense taken…gee am I that much of a ogar??? I better try and get down on my knees, since everyone thinks I am offended at everything…:)

          • Ron Murphy says:

            No sister, You are fine. I just didn’t want to hurt you. Don’t you let the devil beat you up. Your Daddy is a King.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      That is so true brother , most don’t want to see the truth, so they see what they want to see. A person should love the truth no matter what it is.

      • Levi says:

        Ron: Yes, they don’t love the truth but rely on their own wisdom and righteousness. This is what Israel did and failed to keep the law, else that could have been life unto them as well. But they tried to keep it according to their own righteousness. This spirit has not died even now.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Amen, Brother. God bless us to know the difference.

        • suez says:

          Levi, you may or may not been talking to me, above here. And I am not offended…LOL But I for one, Never, rely on my own wisdom. I am not wise. I am not righteous! I know who and what I am, nothing. Nothing without Christ! I am not a smart person. I just have a 12th grade ed. and no, I didn’t have to take any grades over! LOL I love Gods truth, and that is the only thing I live for. I am not here even for my family. For they don’t listen about the Lord anyway, so why be here. I am only here for the Lord. Why? I have asked him that many times. I have asked him to take me home. I don’t want to be here,,,at all! If I got cancer, I really wouldn’t care, except, for the pain and suffering, like I said, I don’t like pain and suffering!!! I want to go home to be with my Jesus. So please, why would I want to be here during the Tribulation??? Answer me that? All I am doing Brother is seeking his truth! That is only what I live for. )

  174. Levi says:

    Mighty hunter before the Lord
    What does that mean?

    • suez says:

      Not that he was a God fearing man!!! God seen him as he hunted. Like God was looking down and seen him hunting. But nothing that would mean that he was God fearing…he wasn’t. Could mean that he also was a giant, or a bully. Maybe he hunted men also and not just game!!! :)

    • suez says:

      What do you think about it Levi?? About before the Lord?

      • Levi says:

        Suez: Not sure right now.

        However, the Bible makes mention of Jezebel in Revelation but does not mention of Nimrod again anywhere. I don’t say this guy was not evil but there is something fishy here. The Bible puts him as the MIGHTY HUNTER and that too BEFORE THE LORD. Something to ponder about.

        • suez says:

          Yes, interesting. What do you think. Is there still a Jezebel spirit running around. I think so. In my opinion anyway. :)

          • Levi says:

            Yes, it is still there and even among christians (small c). It will be there until the Lord puts an end to it.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      He was a hunter of the souls of men. Nimrod is were the Babylon spirit comes from, bringing many principalities to worship to mankind, making him a great hunter before the Lord.

      • suez says:

        Could be Ron, is there scripture for that, or do you mean because he was so wicked?

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Because he was wicked, but also knowing the Masonic history. And satanic cults history. I’m read up on the devils devices. Nimrod is highly connected with all these. Being the father of Baal. Including the Catholic Church history.

          • suez says:

            Yes, I too have watched some interesting DVDs about all of that stuff. Boy, it is something how they have planed this all out for centuries!!! They meaning Satan and his imps!!! they putting into the minds of evil men, and having them carrying it out like robots!!! It is staggering!

    • Levi says:

      I am not sure whether he hunted men or not, because the Bible is silent on that part. I am just wondering what that phrase means.
      The reason I am looking for such answers is because most of people’s beliefs are based on assumptions which affects our doctrine to some extent. Like Noah suffered.

      Genesis 10:1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.

      Genesis 10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

      Genesis 10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

      Genesis 10:4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.

      Genesis 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

      Genesis 10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

      Genesis 10:7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtecha: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.

      Genesis 10:8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.
      Genesis 10:9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.
      Genesis 10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

      I don’t know what to make out of 10th verse. I could be wrong. Does it mean to say that Babel already existed and then Nimrod’s kingdom began with this city?

      • Ron Murphy says:

        The Zodiac came from Nimrod. He is the father of all occult orders. Sacrificing many children in the fire. The sun god started with him as well, under many names. You could say he is the father of all false gods. A great hunter before the Lord. Wicked as the antichrist.

        • Levi says:

          Ron: That could be possible. I am not denying that. I am just looking for the scriptures. The Bible talks about Jezebel but not Nimrod. That is yet another puzzling thing.

    • Mighty simply means to be very strong, violent, forcible, etc. He was a leader of a people with corporeal power. He is as a hunter who pursues or chases to seize something. ‘Before the LORD’ simply means that nothing can be hidden from God for he is omnipresent. Every deed that a man does, whether good or bad, IS seen by God!

  175. STL says:

    Ron and Suez: One simple question why did you both come to this NTEB web site as you knew it was a Pre-Tribber web site?

    • suez says:

      I didn’t know it was. I just thought is was a Christian site. And as such, I didn’t know people wanted to be divided just because of rapture belief. I thought we all loved the Lord and were brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus. Therefore we should be able to fellowship together, and encourage each other looking for the Lord to come. I though we should draw together in strength of love and fellowship, because the times is short!!! I didn’t know it had a Pre-Trib Rapture believer only, sign on the door!!!! :(

  176. STL says:

    Suez: Your news flash about the pensions was a joke. LOL

    alot of people depend on their pension to survive in this nasty world.

    I wonder how many Christian that are on pensions are laughting right now?

    • suez says:

      Oh my gosh Larue, you don’t even get the joke!!! That is funnier yet!!! I depend on SS. you poppas person!!!!

      • STL says:

        Suez: It really bother you you can not use your dirty language on this web site, so now I’m a poppas person now! Thank you having so much concern for me.

        One question? You said a few hours ago, you’ll never answer my post to you, just act as he doesn’t exist, is this the way you stop answering my post?

        But it seem you enjoy calling me these little rude remarks, in these name calling?

        • suez says:

          I find it very hard to contain myself when it come to you Steve. You are so special!! :)

        • suez says:

          My humble apologizes Steve. I spelled the word wrong. I meant it to be….Best Answer: Pompous = arrogant … Yes, it’s pompous. … See not as bad as you thought, was it…Sorry for the miss spelling!!! It means arrogant!! Not a dirty word see!!!! :)

  177. TexasRedNeck says:

    This should explain that there really were giants in Biblical times. It was NOT just a theory, they were just as real as the Dinosaurs that lived at the same time as man did. Do you remember reading about “behemoths” in the Bible ? What do you think they were ?

    • suez says:

      I don’t need a man to explain that to me. I know there were Behemoths but it doesn’t talk of them to much. And I know there were Giants…For petes sake I gave scripture to that fact…Go back and read it Texas!!! Before you start dropping insults Brother, please. I know there were Giants, I really really do!!!! :(

  178. TexasRedNeck says:

    I just thought maybe that it might help someone to understand it , but since you already know everything then obviously it’s not for you.

    You’re just another typical “Intellectually Challenged” internet genius. Try to find spellcheck on your computer and USE IT !
    How many years did you spend in the third grade before received your diploma ?

    You are a REAL GOOD ONE to talk about insults to others, that seems to be your main purpose on this website.
    You don’t have enough of Christ in you to scare a used demon. You a Christian, NO, you don’t even go to church, you said so yourself.
    All you want to do is harass Pastor Steve LaRue, you must really have some deep feeling for him to have to constantly make a comment to his every post, and some others on here also.

    Who put you in charge of this website ?
    Oh, now I remember, NO ONE DID .

    Exactly what makes you think this was for you anyway ?
    See you just assume everything is for you, typical hypocrite, me, me, me.

    • suez says:

      Wow!!! Yes in that one post you did put my name. God check it!!! Wow I just got beat like a dog, but a christian!!! :(

    • suez says:

      Do you go to Church?? It doesn’t seem to be helping from the thrashing you just gave me, sir. Wow, it is doing you a lot of good!! I have never insulted any one here, except maybe Steve, and only because that is all he does to me and others, and i get sick of it. But you think what you want to about me. I didn’t realize that i was in charge of anything, far from it. In most of my post I try to say in my opinion, if you would look, you would see that sir. So believe what you want. that is fine. Do you think it is OK to make sexual comments to women here? Do you think it is ok to tell someone you want to shoot them? Wow, then you have a sad sense of what Christianity is….. do you think it is OK to belittle the Jews? Do you think it is OK to rip people up because they hold to the king James Bible? If you do, then fine. Join up with the dark spirits!! Have fun.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Youngons, just don’t respect any more. :(

        • suez says:

          :( You got that right!!! Is it true what he said? Am I that bad of a person? Dear God help me if I am!!! Sniff, sniff,,tears…

          • Ron Murphy says:

            You make me and Brenda laugh, you can’t be that bad. :)

          • suez says:

            Actually I was serious. I did have tears! That hurt very deeply. He came at me very hard. I wasn’t laughing! :( Sometimes we don’t see ourselves. Have I really been that bad of a person on here?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Don’t let the devil drive you down. These pre tribbers can get real ugly when it comes to protecting their faith, you better get use to that, they would almost kill you for it. Now you no a little persecution get ready more on the way. Be strong Sister, You’ve got Mightier than they on your side.

    • suez says:

      To whom it may concern: I have been labeled a bad person. I guess I have offended some people. To that I apologize deeply. I have prayed and ask God to forgive me. I never meant to hurt or harm anyone. I have been verbally abused most all my life, and I’m not using that as an excuse, but I do think it puts me into a defense mode sometimes. I guess I jump to quickly to defend myself or others when I see someone making nasty comments. I don’t mean to be nasty, but I can get very defensive because of trying to protect myself for so many years, I guess. Especially from MEN. I have not arrived as of yet, to what I would want to be as a Christian. I am still a work in progress. I humbly ask forgiveness for insulting or offending anyone here. And I am sorry if sometimes I don’t spell words right too. That has never been my strong suit! Anyway, again I humbly, say I’m sorry. sue

  179. suez says:

    Sorry, go check it. typo,,,I am not a college brain,,so sorry.

  180. suez says:

    James you may be right, I really have no clue. I just know at one point satan and his angels were part of the heavenly angels with God, as far as i know anyway. So did they then grow human body parts when they fell? I have no idea, but that seems far fetched to me. Why would God create angels to pro-create? God made us in the image of himself and the angels, I’ve been told. “let us make man in our image”? Does this mean God has sex organs? (sorry Lord, not trying to be disrespectful) I’m not trying to be gross here, but really, that has been a question, if the angels have them, then does God also? It just seems silly to me. But like I say, I have no idea, really. There is a lot I do not understand, a whole lot. And this subject is one of them. But some preachers theory’s don’t make sense to me. So it is another thing I have to put on my shelf. My shelf is VERY full!!! :) I just have no clue on this subject, just a lot of questions!

    • James says:

      I understand it is alot to take in and learn….The Lord has been teaching me this stuff for years…and i’m still learning new things every day. Jude 1:6

      And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

      What this passage is stating is that angels took on the form of men to perform those acts with human females, so the Lord imprisoned them for it until judgement. All throughout the Bible Angels(good and bad) have taken the form of men to accomplish various goals. That is how they procreated with women.

      • Levi says:

        James: This sounds possible. I could also ask you what this verse means?

        1 Corinthians 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
        1 Corinthians 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

        Even this passage has various explanations. I am sure you have something to say about this.

      • suez says:

        Yes, I am of that understanding also. But I still have trouble swallowing it totally. Taking on the form of a man, yes, but sex organs also? That still blows my mind…LOL I have watched DVDs from a pastor I study with, he believes this also. As much as I respect him, I still am leery!! So after the angels are loosed from their reserved place, are they going to be having sex again with women??? Just a question I have. I’m glad I’m getting old…not as attractive anymore…LOL

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Luk 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
          Luk 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
          Luk 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
          Changed into spiritual bodies just as the angels.

  181. suez says:

    Oh, sorry Levi, we were talking about it, so I assumed you were talking to me…LOL no problems, I’m sorry. But this is really how I feel, anyway!! :)

    • Levi says:

      Suez: That’s ok sister. No need to apologize. Actually, I should have been careful. This written communication, most of the time, leads to misunderstanding.

  182. suez says:

    Levi, where did you see pictures of demons??? I didn’t know they showed up on film.. Really, where can i see those pictures at? I wish I could share a experience I had once…It was very scarey!! :(

    • Levi says:

      Suez: There are many sites if you google them. It is very evil. Just because of these ideas you have serpent’s seed doctrine.

      • Levi says:

        uh oh!!! ‘you’ generic. Again.

        Man, I need to change my language here!!!

      • Ron Murphy says:

        That is a Bad doctrine, so many people are falling for these days. It is a predestined docture of the devil.

        • Levi says:

          Though I have studied a little about this serpent’s seed doctrine, I don’t know whether to believe it or not. But I haven’t felt it that important for my personal spiritual edification, so I haven’t given much into this doctrine.

          I don’t know much about this predestinate doctrine either. I haven’t thought much about it. It sounds similar to OSAS. But there are verses related to them. What is your opinion on these?

          Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
          Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

          Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
          Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

          Please explain what do you make of these above verses.

          • suez says:

            Amen Levi, I agree with you. Although it is interesting to me, it is not important for my spiritual edification! Because, I am a naturally curious person, I would like to know, but it doesn’t affect my spiritual growth one way or another does it? Just my opinion…which means nothing…:)

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Those are all good verses , Brother. The only way a person is predestined, is to the fact of these verses, Because God already knew what your choices would be. But those choices are still up to the individual. Everyone has to make those choices.
            Let me elaborate on the doctrine just a moment. If you were lost and you believed you were evil, and you did things in your life you was sorry for, would you not think yourself predestined to be lost, if you believed in such things, God forbid. It is not supposed to be that way. It is a cursing doctrine. And those that teach this kind of garbage is in danger of Hell fire and brimstone. Just how many people has went to Hell because of this teaching, already. Now, I’m getting angry!
            Now, the serpent seed doctrine teaches, Cain being born of the devil or serpent, knowing Eve before Adam laid with her.

            Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

            This verse is very clear in stating the fact that it was Adam that was the father of Cain. If Cain was indeed born of the serpent as they say, then would God bless Cain if he was impure.

            Gen 4:5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
            Gen 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
            Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire,<b. and thou shalt rule over him.
            Now this is proof positive that Cain was cursed because of his choices.
            I rest my case of this wicked doctrine, I sentence it to death.

        • “It is a predestined docture of the devil”. Really?! Satan does not have any ‘predestinations’, only God has ‘predestinated’! Yes, there are doctrines of devils, I Timothy 4:1 says, “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;…”. Please depart from anyone who teaches that the devil has predestinated anyone, for the devil can only cause one to be lead to Hell. God has predestinationed us in that all human beings can go to Heaven and were meant to be in Heaven with God. However, for that to be made manifest in one’s life, that person must accept Jesus Christ and receive redemption through his blood. It says in I Corinthians 1:14-16, “In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were ALL things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth,…ALL things were created by him, and for him…”

          I have predestinated for my sons to be well off in the event my life is taken from this earth. I have predetermined this before hand, it is foreordained and is unchangeable. They are the recipients of this free gift.

          Again, God has predestinated us as well, but we MUST accept the free gift of salvation and it is only ‘through the blood’ of Jesus Christ.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Not Read, you misunderstood, something terrible. I did not say the devil predestined anyone. You are so quick to judge. I was referring to Levi’s scriptures above, that reply was to him. 682

      • suez says:

        Ok, but you really mean you can see demon spirits, or they are in a man acting the part of the demon>? I am a little confused?

    • Levi says:

      Suez: What was that experience? If it is too personal, then you don’t have to do that in this forum.

      • suez says:

        Oh, Levi, it is very personal, I don’t know if I would be able to word it in a nice enough and tasteful way for public viewing…(getting red faced)…:)

  183. Ron Murphy says:

    566 sue Check it out. It’s the best I can do for that answer.

  184. Levi says:

    Have ye: beautifully put. Very well explained about the Restrainer

    • suez says:

      Yes Have Ye: beautifully put, and you may very well be right. But I myself, just don’t see the church called a HE!! :) But that is just me I’m sure…And I also see the Church as a real mess right now. How are we restraining anything? We are a mess ourselves. That is another question I have!!! God Bless you also Brother, or sister, what ever the case may be!! LOL

      • Ron Murphy says:

        The Holy spirit is not a restrainer, He is a Gentleman, and easily grieved. It is not His job to restrain. It is the Spirit of Christ, If the restrainer was the Holy Spiirt in this verse, then Iniquity would not already be working. it would restrain it also. Where do they get these ideas. Because they love not the truth, __________***! But The restrainer is he that is now working, and he has to be removed when the antichrist comes. That is that simple, as Paul made his complicated words to be.

        • suez says:

          Well, Ron, that is how I see it too. Boy we sure must be a different bred!! LOL Would you mind exchanging emails. Mine is zipmegolden@yahoo.com Just send yours to me there, and put from Ron and Brenda in the re: box. If you don’t mind anyway. Thanks

        • The Spirit of God (the Holy Spirit) dwells in all believers: Eze. 36:27; John 14:17; Rom. 8:9; I Cor. 3:16; I John 2:27; just to name a few. It is this indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit that restrains. It is not of our doing, but the Spirit in us. Because we have the Holy Spirit in us, whenever we sin, we cause grief to the Holy Spirit. This is why when we do sin, we are instantly overwhlemed with the sense of conviction. This is also why I am able to instantly ask God for forgiveness. Thank God for that conviction from the Holy Spirit who resides in me. Praise God.

        • James says:

          The Holy Spirit IS the restrainer….The Holy Spirits job is to convict mens hearts, to engrain Gods laws and precepts in man, to comfort believers in times of duress.
          When the rapture happens (before the tribulation) the Church will be removed and the Holy Spirit will cease to restrain the iniquity in mans hearts…the law of God will no longer bind men to do that which is good. Men will become wicked and without remorse and do things we can’t begin to imagine. Since we are sealed with the Holy Spirit we have to be removed from this world for the Wrath of God to be poured out. There will be no safe place on the earth for anyone when the Day of the Lord (7 year tribulation/Jacobs Trouble) comes.

  185. Levi says:

    Have: I don’t know if you have understood my main question here. I do believe in everything that you said except that Abraham’s bosom or Paradise was called hell. I would not call it hell and neither did Jesus go to hell to deliver the OT saints. Remember, there was a great abyss between these two worlds: the world of hell and the world of Paradise or Abraham’s bosom. I don’t know how to explain but I hope you get it this time

    • Ron Murphy says:

      The grave itself is hell , look it up.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      1Sa 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.
      1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.
      Could this happen if the demons didn’t have access to the grave.

  186. Levi says:

    2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

    Suez, the ‘he’ in this verse seems to me as the Holy Spirit and not the church. It does seem a real mess Suez by there are servants of God who are praying day and night and are praying for the preparing of the church. The Lord will help. No matter how messy it is, I know the blood of Jesus is far more powerful than the sin of Satan to cleanse the church. I have been among such beautiful people in a country side a 1000 miles from here. I feel ashamed of myself to be among them. Some of them are illiterate and they don’t know how to read except the Bible. Believe me?

    • suez says:

      What a neat blessing Levi. How do they read the bible if they don’t know how to read? And if they do and can, yes, I could believe it, as God is able to do anything!!! :)

  187. Sice we have talked about everything under the sun here,I guess I will ask this question,
    How many people here believe that 19 muslims pulled off 9-11?

  188. Levi says:

    How could you blind people get your ideas? How could you say that the devil would be restraining himself because he himself is iniquity. To suppose so is just utter foolishness. Why can’t you see that the Holy Ghost is also powerful as much as He can be grieved. He can be grieved by His own but He is strong against His enemies. You should at least know these simple things. You should also know that there was a devil among the Lord’s 12 disciples so nothing great in having the mystery of inquity working while His Holy Spirit is here. As Jesus did restrain from being betrayed until His time, so would God also restrain the man of sin to be revealed until His time. It should not be difficult to understand if you have faith.

  189. Ron Murphy says:

    Powerful indeed yes, But He will not be gone, Neither will He ever leave you or forsake you. He will be with the 144000, standing on with them. As you say He is everywhere. Alexander couldn’t reign until the Meads and Persians were removed out of the way. Neither can the antichrist, until he who now letteth, that worketh iniquity be removed.

  190. Levi says:

    This event is spiritual and not just carnal. You cannot compare this with Alexander and Medo-persia. Even we fight among ourselves does that mean that the Holy Spirit fights against God? That’s silly comparison.

    You need to understand that the 144k had to sealed separately and is separately mentioned.
    Yes, He will never leave us nor forsake us for we are going to be with Him then. We would be raptured. We would taken with Him to meet our Isaac who would be waiting for us.

  191. Levi says:

    Uh oh! Ron look at you. You started first to cast slur. Respect and you will be given respect.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      I believe I was talking to sue with that slur, not to you.
      So now it’s spiritual, just when you say so, right, and not so when you say not so. Twist and shout , Bother Levi, twist and shout.

  192. STL says:

    When I stated all those insults to Ron, I was not doing it because I was mad at him, I was trying to get him to open up? As Jesus said, the insults you recieve here on earth, your rewards are great in heaven.

    As for SUEZ and others, I only tried to speak the truth to her, then I relize she only opens up, when someone insults her.
    When she feels offended, then she plays the victim, your attacking me.

    We all do have the same problems in life, facing the truth, but as humans its easier to avoid the truth. But God never lies to us. As in proverbs 10:17- A godly reburkes should be gladly excepted. This is hard to do for some.

    Eph. 5:11 Do not partcipate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

    But it seems some can not open up their minds to the truth and settle our differences, as its easier to play the victim and return insult with insults. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle disputes between the brothers/sisters, but brother goes to the law against brother and that before unbelievers. 1st Cor. 6:2-6

    James said, purify your hearts, you double minded person. James 4:4-10

    We all need to work out our problems, so Satan will not use them against us. All these insults are coming from Satan decieving us!

    Thank you for the kind comments to me, as I see in your actions of your words you truely have forgiven me. God Bless You!

  193. STL says:

    There is nothing too personal when we speak between christians, Satan wants us to believe its to personal, so we will not discuss our feeling between each other.

  194. Levi says:

    I will shout. Though it is to Suez, you did cast slurs on ALL pre tribbers and you call yourself a teacher? Why was every pre tribber dragged in there? As for twisting none is smarter than you.

    • suez says:

      Levi, when have I ever called myself a teacher? I have never did that. I am not a teacher. Just a believer. Now your shouting at me also? :( I have said over and over, I don’t care what anyone believes concerning the Rapture, I am still studding about it. As long as we are born-again, and believe Jesus IS coming, that is the what our faith should be in. That he IS coming. How many times have I said this brother…:(

  195. STL says:

    Suez: I have a question for you? I do this every night in my prayers to Jesus Christ. I pray to Jesus, that I’m thinking of the Iranian/American pastor in Iran Prison, as he’s being tortured for his belief in Jesus Christ. Did you forget to pray for him, as he needs all our prayers to endure his torture everyday and his family endures this suffering. Do you believe he’s recieving enough suffering to go to heaven before the Tribulation?

    • suez says:

      Well Steve, as a matter of fact, I pray every night for those that are being persecuted for the gospel. I pray for those who are being tortured and killed for the cause of Christ. I pray that God make a way of escape for them, but if not, I pray that they be given a Martars (sp)grace. I pray they won’t suffer long to give the tormenters pleasure seeing them suffer. I pray they will look up and see the Glory of God like Steven did, while they are induing these horrible things. I pray all believers will be able to stand strong in the faith of Jesus Christ. So I hope I answered your question. As far as anyone suffering enough, I am not the Judge of suffering, sorry.

  196. Ron Murphy says:

    We had a good day yesterday, at least. Lord let your Peace reign.

  197. STL says:

    Joseph: I only try to speak the truth, if you do not like the truth, don’t answer my posts. Most people do not like dealing with the truth, as its easier to avoid it! But the truth, does not tell you in a soft way, it comes after us, in a sharp way!

    I see your heart is filled with anger against me!

    One question? Is this the manner that Jesus Christ wants you act like to me?

    God Bless You!

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Yes, the truth is not always good. And some just cover it up with good , because they hate the truth. God is good and He is merciful, but His Word is Truth, whether you like it or not.

  198. Levi says:

    This is the day that the Lord has made, I will rejoice and be glad in it. I need to thank God for this wonderful day as it is ending here and tomorrow morning I would get to see His new mercies without fail :). Good night to you all and praise the Lord

  199. STL says:

    Levi: I see about the 144,000 jews from the 12 tribes, as there is not that much evidence that speaks of them.

    But, why should God speak in detail about the 144,000 jews. If we are gone from this earth. These 144,000 jews retained the Holy Spirit in them. To witness to the left behind ones and the unbelievers!!!!!

    • Ron Murphy says:

      The 144000 are the remnant as spoken of in the Old Testament many times.

      Please! Someone, I’m pulling my hair, out, :) I don’t have much, show my in the Bible that the 144000 doing any witnessing or ministry. Who come up with this doctrine. Just somebody, give me a verse, please!!!!!

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Alright, then I’ll have get it for you.

        Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

        Now this whole doctrine of them witnessing is derived from this single verse. But just what does it mean, it did not say they witnessed it said they have the testimony of Jesus Christ, in other words, they know of His grace and what He is, the Son of God.

  200. Levi says:

    Suez: Why would I say anything against unprovoked? Did you ever say that you were a teacher? Never right? Who in this site calls himself a teacher and behaves worse than kid? My post was for him. If he cannot answer a few questions then, boy, he gets angry. Well, is that necessary? Why would he have to drag all pre tribbers into something that was not needed.

    Obviously, it was not for you Suez. Please forget it. I had thought to go to bed now but I could not have you this in your mind for hours until I clarified.

    • suez says:

      Ok, but you said “I will shout. Though it is to Suez,” Though it is to Suez…that is why I thought it was to me…:(

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Angry? not me my friend not at all. It’s so easy for you to assume some ones feelings when you don’t see them. I’ve cried over you to see the truth, many times before the Lord, you have know idea. Rest well brother. You need to learn to take insults better, It’s going to get very insult y, when thing get bad.

  201. Levi says:

    First, one should know what is meant by truth and then have to love the truth no matter what; even at the cost of their own damn ego.

  202. STL says:

    Have ye not Read: Thank you so much, stating the truth about the 144,000 virgin jews.
    These 144,000 young virgin jews. Why does Jesus state, virgin jews? Maybe be cause if the had sex with women, they would put their feeling ahead of God?

    When the retrainer, leaves this earth, and the retrainer is the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is within us, as born again christians.

    So God leaves the Holy Spirit in the 144,000 jews to worship for the lost ones and the unbelievers. This happens from the beginning to the middle part of the Tribulation.

    But God so loved the people of this world, he will leave 2 more witnessers, we know one is Elijah the other is just a guess? Why Elijah as a witnesser, cause in Matthew John the Baptist was baptist with water, the people asked him if he was Elijah? The jews believe Elijah will be the forrunner to the Mesiah. And when Elijah speaks, and states the Messiah is Jesus Christ, they will fall to there knees, praising Jesus Christ as there Messiah! The last half of the Tribulation is for the jews that are alive at that time. As I believe after the first half, all the people turn to Jesus Salvation will already be dead. Waiting for them to be taken to heaven as in Rev. 20:4.

    If you feel I’m wrong, please show me the truth?

  203. Levi says:

    Ron said that his reply was meant for Sue and not for me. I said ‘though it is meant for Suez I will shout…….’. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

  204. Levi says:

    Ron: when I don’t like to GIVE insult then I don’t like to TAKE it as well. Yet, I am not a perfect man. I am trying to be one through the power I have receive and I will continue to strive for it. I need to again and again remember that I am dead in flesh but live unto the Spirit.

  205. STL says:

    Ron: i believe everyone had close calls to death in their lives, but most of the time they walked away from these close calls. I’m talking about, knowing this time I just might not walk away from this one, maybe I’m going to die, that’s real scary. Ok1 i’ll relate this to you, as you said you were a coal miner, when the cave-in, and you believe this time no one can save me, this is not a close call to death, your going to die in your mine, fear runs through your mind, feeling for your wife, as maybe that morning you had a bad arguement with her, but you wish you could say your sorry, but now its too late? You think of your memories, the good and the bad ones. This is real fear?

    The ones you had as a child, was bad, but when your an older adult with many memories, than being a child, will cause you alot of fears, as you wait for death, in that lonely caves, no one can hear your screams! With those little minutes in that cave, thousand of memories runs through your mind. You think just if,. I would of changed, I wouldn’t be here? That’s real fear!

    • Ron Murphy says:

      I’ve been there, the flashing of thoughts going through your mind, I know. I’m not afraid of death, it will happen when it does. Why would you want to worry about it, when Jesus said not to? Get a grip, Pastor. Death comes to us all. Have faith in your creator. If He is real, then why worry? Don’t you trust Him? I do.

      • STL says:

        Yes! death comes to us all, but not being tortured to death?

        • Ron Murphy says:

          He suffered greatly for me, I love Him enough to suffer for Him.

          Rev_2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

          1Pe_4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
          1Pe_4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

  206. STL says:

    Ron: as the ones in the Tribulation waiting in FEMA CAMPS to go to there death, thats real fear, from this real fear, your mind will play tricks on you, as closer you get to death, more fear sets into your mind. Just maybe, I’ll take the mark, yes! I know I’ll go hell, but this pain I’m going through, its so impossible to deal with, they will torture your wife in front of you, that will cause so much pain, as she’s screaming for your help and all you can do is just sit there watching and hearing her in pain. In normal life, when your wife was in emotional pain, in your heart, you wanted to fix it, to make her happy, yes? But this time, your unable to help her? All you can say, hang in there? But that no relief, there will be alot of people taking the mark from these fears they with experience in these FEMA CAMPS!

    I know, the first comment will be coming from Suez, your a very hateful person to say this to Ron?

    But its the truth, and since Ron believes he will enter the Tribulation, he needs to be prepared.

    D City, always said to me, be prepared for the worest in the Tribulation?

    Don’t you think that Iranian/american Pastor being totured in that Iranian prison? All he needs to say, to his guards, I’m wrong there is no Jesus Christ? He’ll be free?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      I dance on my way to the block and be praise God, just to encourage others. I hope you are there to see it. Praise God, I’m going home. If you think you are better than me, and you can go to heaven and I’m left behind because I wasn’t believing in your doctrine, then you or anyone else that says this is a cult. You will fail to make it to heaven with that judgment. You are not God, quit trying to be.

  207. STL says:

    Suez: Even pompous is still insult, so what do you think what Jesus thinks about your insults?

  208. STL says:

    Sue: i Forgiven you from the start, I do not hold anything against anyone, if I did, I say Jesus PLEASE FORGIVE MY INSULTS AGAINST ALL I HAVE INFLICTED! AMEN!

  209. STL says:

    Ron: I never called your theory a cult and I never think of myself as God?

    Why you continues your outpouring of insults?

    Oh! I forgot you said, we are just fleshy?

    Your the one, who twist your comments, to provide your pride that your right?

    Seem its getting a little lonely being a post-tribber on pre-tribber web site?

    Or did you come to this web site, just to caused confusion against the pre-tribbers?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Not lonely at all, Pastor. I have plenty to teach to. Yes you are right and at least you admit, you think we are all doomed. That’s what you want to think, then you are cult, no doubt about that one. I do not judge others by what they believe, but I do know that, with what judgment you mete, you will receive back to you, so if I was you, I would be careful how I judged others.

  210. Ron Murphy, you have stated on many occassions here that the 144,000 Jews will be repopulating the earth. How is this going to be possible due to the fact that only men are to be sealed (12,000 out of each of the 12 tribes)? How are men going to repopulate? Only men can serve God in a priestly office. You said they will be the ONLY Jews to survive the Tribulation. Where are the women so they can repopulate? But then again, scripture says they are VIRGINS. How can virgins repopulate? Your teachings are false and anyone who follows what you spew is heading for destruction!

  211. Ron Murphy says:

    And just exactly how will they be heading for destruction, So you, too, believe post tribbers are going to hell? Not Read do you have proof, I’m wrong, or have you really thought it out? Why would God want a bunch that is impure and defiled to start His new kingdom? Because they are virgins , doesn’t mean they won’t repopulate. Why would it even call them virgins if it wasn’t significant? The reason for the same number of 12000 from each tribe is also significant to the territories of the land given to Jacobs remnant. Now I’m not claiming to know everything , but It could be that some of these could be women, it doesn’t say, it also could be that God will same women for them that is not part of this bunch, from the Jewish people, but I would doubt it. What I think is they will be other nations to choose women from, or the first scenario, of women being part of the 144000. But regardless, all these scenarios will work, for the answer. But that is God’s call. If you would read your Bible and seek God for the truth you might see a lot more. reading you Bible without trusting in God to show you the truth is useless. If you turn to man for the answer then you defeated the purpose. You are going back under old laws. The ones that are Martyred will be the priest and kings in God’s kingdom.

    Rev_1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
    Rev_5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

    • James says:

      The theory of the 144,000 Jews repopulating the earth is false. The 144,000 Jews are those who preach of the coming Kingdom of God and are virgins. Those who believe their message and trust in Jesus are those who repopulate the earth during the millenium.

  212. Ron Murphy says:

    Q: How do virgins repopulate? A: The get married.
    Wow! That was easy.

    • These virgins (the 144,000) are MEN! And NO they will not be getting married here on earth nor in Heaven. Why is it so hard for you to understand this? My commenting with you is going to cease for you are an extremely prideful man. It doesn’t matter what one says on this blog, according to you, they are ignorant and you know it all. I simply refuse to stoop to your intellect, or the lack thereof. You spew your garbage to these folks who are here, and for some, they may be babes in Christ, and you my friend are misleading many by your misunderstanding of the scriptures. It’s one thing to have a conversation and edify one another, but it is another thing when you are always out to prove one wrong and to convince them to see things your way and to agree with you. Here is a scripture for you: 1 Corinthians 8:2 says, “And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.”

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Temper, Temper, Not Read. I only leave my words, not my boot. There will be one soon to leave his words and his boot. Then you will remember the things I spoke to you. God be our judge, not me, not you. Avoid my comments if you don’t like them. I’m here to say my piece, it doesn’t matter to me if you listen or not. I tell you in love. Take it for what you may. God bless you.

        • STL says:

          Ron: You said, I tell you in love! Please explain this love of yours? You insult us pre-tribbers, call us names, we’re in a cult, we believe in fairy tales, or fables, we’re clowns.

          Now is that truely love your speaking about?

          And you said, your love comes from God?

          Would Jesus make those insults to us?

          When Jesus was on the cross, he said to everyone, which includes us, they do not know what they do to me!

          So your acting as a Representative to Jesus, would Jesus allow you to insult us?

          I remember when Jesus was talking to the people, the apostle told the children to go away, but Jesus allow my children to stay beside me!

          Again I ask you, are you a good represetative for Jesus Christ?

          God Bless!

  213. STL says:

    Ron: Please stop with this victim crap, I’m not judging you. Just state its a possiblity that alot of people will fail in believing they have the strength of their faith to endure Satan in the tribulation.

    I really hope you make it through without taking the mark!

    And stop with the insults, now I’m in a cult!

    You said, we all have our beliefs as pre-tribbers and post-tribbers, then when you get frustrated with someone you go on the attack against them.

    Now, I’ll asked you again, is there a 1% chance you’ll fail in the Tribulation?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      You judge everyone, I could care less for me, mean old man. Quit your beating the sheep.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Steve, according to you everyone is a victim, just because you feel that way doesn’t give you the right to go beating on everyone. No I don’t think so Not even 1%. I’ve had head Migraine head aches so bad I’ve prayed for death, I know what it is to suffer. I would still never trade my Lord for any length of life here. There is no compare.

    • James says:

      Too bad he will be raptured before the tribulation….or do you believe that the bible lies when it says that we are not destined for wrath, but salvation?

  214. Levi says:

    James: you are correct. I agree with you. He is none other than the Holy Spirit who stops men from sinning and that restrains Satan to work in men freely. But when the Restrainer is gone there will not be anything that could the Antichrist to perform his evil plans. Have you noticed that there is not one fruit of the Holy Spirit mentioned in the earth during the tribulation period?

  215. Levi says:

    Have ye: praise God that there are people who know the plan of God by His grace. Who are not just been deceived. God bless you brother. 144k is not the ONLY remnant of Israel in tribulation. They are just the firstfruits.

  216. STL says:

    Ron: You said, they will repopuate the 144, 000 jews virgins. You said, their get married, who and what women? Is that in scripture? And who performing these marriages? Is that in scripture?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      I have no scripture for marriage, I just have scripture for them having children. Show me the promise of the remnant in Revelation. All I can show is the remnant that the serpent cast out a flood after.

      Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

      Now I have aread done this study once on this page already. I don’t think it would be appropriate to repost that study. Go to post 581 & 582.

  217. STL says:


    Ron said, “Yes death comes to us all, but not being totured to death!”

    Then Ron states: Rev. 2:10-the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation 10 days, be fruitful onto your death.

    1. “that you going to be tested”. Is Satan and his followers going to ask you kindly to take the mark? Or invite you for tea?
    2. Tribulation, will be the worest time in your life! I believe Satan will torture you into submission to your death.

    God Blessed!

    • Ron Murphy says:

      You lie, and you use a lying Bible. STL

      • STL says:

        Ron: are you getting frustrated, you made this statement, but now your saying, you lie and you used a lying Bible STL.

        I’m only repeating your words, if I’m lieing then your lieing?

        As you said, I’m using a lying Bible, I use KJV Bible and some times the Geneva Bible.

        I thought you use the KJV Bible ? Is that the Bible your talking about?

  218. STL says:

    Then Ron said I’ll suffer for Him?

  219. Levi says:

    Revelation 12:15-17 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
    And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
    And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    Satan will not flood against the remnant but against the woman and when he finds that the woman is saved miraculously then he becomes angry and goes on to make war with the remnant

  220. STL says:

    Have Ye Not Read:

    Please stay on NTEB web site, because you bring up real good points in your post, as Ron believes he’s the leader or teacher to bring them through the Tribulation?

    Remember the story of the Demon, and Jesus cast him into a pig, and they all ran off the cliff?

    I believe Ron is so prideful, if he had the chance, he would run us all off the cliff?

  221. Ron Murphy says:

    So the remnant is not with the woman you are saying?

  222. STL says:

    Ron: your no sheep, your just a big bad wolf!

  223. Levi says:

    If you concentrate on the singular and plural then according to you there should be only one remnant, not 144k. The whole lot of Jews being saved during tribulation is the remnant and 144k are just the firstfruits

  224. Levi says:

    STL: please don’t use those words such as wolf. Ron, is also a child of God and we are going to see him before His throne. He is our brother also in Christ.

  225. STL says:

    Ron: I’m not beating up on anyone? And I’m only repeating your own words, but showing how you use your prideful nature against others.

    As you insult others in your love for them?

    God is really starting to show Himself in others, I only see maybe 1 or 2 people that believes in your theories of the Tribulation?

    Your fruits are showing?

  226. Levi says:

    Ron: if the remnant was with the woman why would the dragon go out to make war with the remnant of her seed, instead of continuing to make war with the woman? I understand that the woman was driven in the wilderness while the remnant is scattered all over the world, so leaving this woman, the dragon goes on to find the remnant to kill them.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      I believe the woman is Israel as a whole but the remnant are those that except Christ the 144000. It is at the end this happens, that he goes after the 144000. when Jesus pleads over His people. They are the 144000, in =

      Joe_3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
      The # is small that will be saved, look it up. The verses and study I have done on this page are the scriptures to prove my cause.

      • Levi says:

        I know the woman is Israel as a whole and the woman was sent with a flood to be destroyed but the remnant is scattered and the remnant is not just 144k.
        From the verse, Joel 3:2, that you posted, it shows that the remnant were scattered among the nations.

        And also;
        Ezekiel 6:8 Yet will I leave a remnant, that ye may have some that shall escape the sword among the nations, when ye shall be scattered through the countries.

        The remnant is always relatively a very small in number/quantity. That is just common sense. Remnant cannot be a huge.
        Even at this stage there are 20 million Jews known across the world and even 1% of this crowd could easily exceed 144K.

  227. Ron Murphy says:

    That is just your view of it. You have no more Bible than I do will that one, Brother. And I would say I have a little more than you do, but you refuse it , so what can we do? I say the firstfruits are for the kingdom and is the remnant. You say the firstfruits are for the remnant total. So we will have to leave it at that. unless you can prove otherwise. My study above proves my point in full. All I have left is this verse, have at it. Eat it up. Change however you wish.

    Isa 17:4 And in that day it shall come to pass, that the glory of Jacob shall be made thin, and the fatness of his flesh shall wax lean.

    • Levi says:

      You can keep patting your back. You can’t do anything more than that. That’s what you are known for here.

      The post the scriptures but they don’t say that it is 144k or does it? Again that is YOUR view that it would be only 144k but still you keep patting your back. I don’t know how you even dare to do that.

      Yes, you said it correctly. I refuse what YOU have to offer. Now if the kingdom is going to be here and not to reaped then why do you need the firstfruits to be reaped? The harvest has to be reaped and the 144k are the firstfruits of that remnant-harvest, which would be done in Rev 14.

      Your study only proves to you because you just see the things that you want to see. So again you keep patting yourself. What makes complete sense to you is a nonsense to us.

      As I said, I have been eating not only the verse that you posted but the whole of the Bible not by your grace but by the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.

      You are the one who changes not me. You just picked up that the ‘fatness of his flesh shall wax lean’ and then concluded that it is JUST 144k. Absurd!

      • Levi says:

        The post the scriptures…… = You posted the scriptures…

      • Ron Murphy says:

        The first fruit will not be reaped. I told you this before. They will go through the wrath of God after tribulation , That is why they are sealed, as the Passover was.

        • Levi says:

          You told that but I did not agree. You showed me the verse from Rev 9:4 but I say that they were with the Lamb in Rev 14. Your timeline is different then what is mentioned in the Bible. So I cannot agree.

          You don’t agree with the wrath also which begins at the opening of the first seal itself.

  228. Ron Murphy says:

    Eze 22:19 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye are all become dross, behold, therefore I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem.
    Eze 22:21 Yea, I will gather you, and blow upon you in the fire of my wrath, and ye shall be melted in the midst thereof.

    Zec 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
    Zec_13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

  229. STL says:

    Levi: Do not you see that God is at work in this NTEB web site, there is more christians coming to this web site that believes in the truth as pre-tribulation?

  230. Levi says:

    STL: Praise the Lord for His saints.

  231. STL says:

    Levi: Many months ago, there was just I and Tracy believing in the truth about Pre-Tribulation. But now God is showinmg His strength in numbers that are voicing their comments about the pre-tribulation.

    We are getting close to going home!

  232. Ron Murphy says:

    Zep 1:12 And it shall come to pass at that time, that I will search Jerusalem with candles, and punish the men that are settled on their lees: that say in their heart, The LORD will not do good, neither will he do evil.

    Zep 1:14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
    Zep 1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

  233. Ron Murphy says:

    Amo 5:1 Hear ye this word which I take up against you, even a lamentation, O house of Israel.
    Amo 5:2 The virgin of Israel is fallen; she shall no more rise: she is forsaken upon her land; there is none to raise her up.
    Amo 5:3 For thus saith the Lord GOD; The city that went out by a thousand shall leave an hundred, and that which went forth by an hundred shall leave ten, to the house of Israel.
    Amo 5:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the house of Israel, Seek ye me, and ye shall live:

    Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
    Amo 5:19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.
    Amo 5:20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

    • Levi says:

      So even if we go by 10% of the present Jewish population, then as given in Amos 5:3, yet the number would be 2 million. That’s too much right?
      The country that went out by a 20 million shall leave a 2 million?

      • Ron Murphy says:

        There we be the tribulation that many Jews will die, and this part here is in God’s wrath when His fire comes down on the cities of Judah and Israel. This is at the very end.

        • Levi says:

          I don’t deny that Jews would die and I don’t even say that every Israeli will be saved or killed because of His faith in Christ but there will be a relatively small number apart from 144K who would be killed for accepting the Messiah, even Jesus Christ and also there would be some who would survive.

          My honest question to you. If 144k and his offspring would be the ones who would be repopulating the world, then on who would they reign? Who are the other people? Will there be people from other nations also who would survive the wrath of God?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            IT is the harlot that was hated by the ten horns and burned her with fire , but I know, you don’t see that either. Perhaps you are right, Brother, we are so far apart, it will take these events happening, to open our eyes. Never the less, I will not give up, on you, so don’t give up, on me. Maybe we can learn something in the process.

          • Levi says:

            The harlot is not Jerusalem and I have told you that. Yes, we are very far apart in understanding the end times.
            I am learning many things as I said I am getting more and more confirmed in what I am believing and I rejoice in my God and thank Him for bringing me here.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Yes, Brother, Their will be those of other nations But Israel will be as those nations but be much better off. But it is we who shall reign with Christ not the Jews, We will reign with Him in immortal bodies, as kings and priest in Jerusalem, that’s our promise from God.
            Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
            Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
            Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
            Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
            Zec 14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD’S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

  234. Levi says:

    Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

    If you keep interpreting this verse as to be fulfilled at the end; which you mean ‘all Israel’ as the offspring of the remnant – 144k, then you must also explain what they are saved from because the 144k are already redeemed from among men?

    If the 144k is already restored then why would there be again ungodliness in them so that the Deliverer must again come to turn away ungodliness?

    That won’t add up.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      You know that if the 144000 is all that is left they will all be saved. I believe that is the right scenario. These 144000 are picked by God at the very end of the indignation or tribulation, as I’ve stated to you before. That is what brings Christ back to earth to deliver them from the hands of the nations gathered against them. That is the battle of Armageddon, Rev. 19:19. Millions from the nations are gather to fight the 144000, because they don’t want to give their earthly kingdom up. They know Christ is coming so they gather all they came to fight Him. They shall lose of coarse, and then the Kingdom will be set up, Christ will build a new city in Jerusalem, without walls around her, until the New one is brung down from heaven. The 144000 remnant will take all the land of Palestine, for their kingdom. Divided amongst the 12000 picked tribes of Jacob. The Lord knows who’s tribe is who. He will divide them accordingly.

      • James says:

        Your views on the 144,000 are suppositional and not based on scripture Ron. The 144,000 are not even found on earth.
        Revelation 14. Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they REMAINED virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.
        Read the passage which i put “remained” in capital letters. Your Doctrine is wrong and you are too stubborn to see it. Doesn’t make me see you any less a Christian…but you need to delve more into the Word and listen less to what you may have been taught.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Mount Zion is on earth, James. We have no evidence what so ever of mountain in heaven. I remained a virgin until I was married. Not! But you get my point. Please use a real bible if you reply to mine. I could care less for that cracker jack stuff? The Almighty taught me, Maybe I should listen more, but not less.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Romans 11:26 is clear to state that Jesus has already come back to earth, to reign and start His kingdom, Wrath of God is over at this point All of Israel will be saved. All idols will be torn down. All filth will be destroyed. It’s the same in Revelation14. The tribulation is over at this point. Rev.14:13 is placed at this point to verify building up to the point of the rapture. But the sealing of the Jews are at the same time as the rapture. This is verified in Rev. 6:12 and Rev. 7:3. But done even look at this if it confuses you look at Rev. 14:14-16. This is the rapture. Rev. 14: 19 are the tares. the 144000 Jewish remnant was sealed just before this point. Rev 14:1. These events are all simultaneously, or within a very shot period of time. Rapture, sealing of the Jews(144K) and then the wrath of God to follow.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Levi, The winepress of the wrath of God in Rev. 14:19-20 is a prelude to the pouring out in Revelations chapter 16. It happened in Rev. 14: 19-20, but it’s description is given in chapter 16. But there we go again, you see it in chronological order. I would that I could show you different. But if you resist the idea, then my hands are tied. Sorry, I couldn’t help you. I know you didn’t ask for it. I love you , Brother that’s all.

      • Levi says:

        It would be silly to say that when you have a pure breed through 144k and then again God coming to save ‘ALL Israel”. Very silly for me. Do we see the same in New Jerusalem? When the New Jerusalem comes down from God, do we hear of any restoration or being saved? No right?

        And then I would like to request you very humbly, and with all due respect, please do not explain to me the Revelation because you would be unnecessarily wasting your time and strength in this. I don’t agree with your timeline to begin with. So it is completely waste of your and my time. You can put it in general but when you are replying, please do not try to explain that. I won’t even read it.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Would it be silly also to say God coming to save all saints at the very end of millennium? Yet it happens.
          God is not silly, Levi is.

          Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

          So also we see the Jerusalem that Christ rebuilt, just before the Holy one comes down.

  235. Ron Murphy says:

    Typo: 1200 picked tribes of Jacob = 12000 for each tribe

  236. Levi says:

    There is not a word in the Bible to suggest that 144000 is all that would be left to be saved. There is obviously more number of the Jews than these who are remnant. This small number is just a part of the harvest which is to come a little further.

    Who will lose in the battle? The Lord’s army or the antichrist’s?
    The Lord cannot lose the battle so the Antichrist will lose the battle. It is because the Lord Himself will fight for them.

  237. Ron Murphy says:

    So it all boils down to the timing of the rapture. :)
    And then we are back to the point of, is tribulation and the wrath of God the same? :)
    Very good! Thank you, Lord, for the great progress.
    I only have maybe one more question, please?

    Why was the 144000 sealed with their fathers name to begin with? Take your time, please?

    • Levi says:

      OK sir, Ron. Here we are. Do not be so proud in your words. Remember, once you gave the bone to chew, it was not even a butter. It was just licked away.

      If I need to glory myself in that, I could do it easily but let me count it as dung before the Lord who gives wisdom and understanding unto His people.

      Why was the 144000 sealed with their fathers name to begin with? Take your time, please?

      Now this is your question:

      I know where you are taking this,

      Ezekiel 9:4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
      Ezekiel 9:5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
      Ezekiel 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

      I hope I am good at making people shudder.

      Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
      Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

      Are we good Ron?

      Now let us see what happens in Revelation as compared to in Ezekiel
      Revelation 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
      Revelation 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

      Also, note this
      Ezekiel 9:11 And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me.

      The man that was clothed with linen was given the commanded only to put marks on the foreheads. But the rest of the 5 angels were commanded to do the slaying. But the man who marked them, came and confirmed that he as God had commanded to him.

      What happened to the other 5? Why did not they confirm?

      We see that there was a man who stood between the people and God but the man was not worthy, even the man Ezekiel, as he was a sinner.

      When Ezekiel makes the intercession

      Ezekiel 9:8 And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?
      Ezekiel 9:9 Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The LORD hath forsaken the earth, and the LORD seeth not.
      Ezekiel 9:10 And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.

      We see that the Lord God spared Ezekiel among all those people. He did say that he would not pity but there is no confirmation that this evil was accomplished. Is there any confirmation, Ron???

      So why do you think that the 144k became the firstfruits unto the Lamb as well, and not only unto God?

      In Ezekiel 9 there was no one to stand between God and men except Ezekiel, who was just a man, a sinner but in Rev it would be the Lord Jesus, who would stand up for Israel.

      Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
      Zechariah 13:2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.
      Zechariah 13:4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:

      Zechariah 9:16 And the LORD their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land.
      Zechariah 9:17 For how great is his goodness, and how great is his beauty! corn shall make the young men cheerful, and new wine the maids.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        So why do you think that the 144k became the firstfruits unto the Lamb as well, and not only unto God?
        Because He will be King over them, reigning from the city Jerusalem.

        In Ezekiel 9 there was no one to stand between God and men except Ezekiel, who was just a man, a sinner but in Rev it would be the Lord Jesus, who would stand up for Israel. This was a vision of the future events

        Yes, Brother, Zech. is a good book of the end time and millenium prophecies. All is truth as it is written.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        I know where you are taking this

        Not really the place I was referring to.

        Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
        Now this is just before the wrath is getting prepared.

        Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
        This is the wrath of God spoken of here; Hurt the earth.

        Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
        This is to protect them from God’s Wrath. This is where His wrath begins. Tribulation was God letting satan take the kingdom , just as he did in the rest of the indignation of 70 years. The wrath of God is immediately after the 70 years of indignation are complete, at the end of the tribulation period.

      • Levi,thought I would give you this link to look at if you want.There is a excellent Revelation video series done by this Pastor.Each lesson is about 28 minutes long. Pastor Jennings is one of the best I have listened to.The whole ministry is wonderful.Enjoy if you decide to look at it. If not..no hard fee