THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND

Muslim Attacks On Arab Christians In Middle East Rising

| May 26, 2013

And no one came to their aid

This video starts out showing a crowded pedestrian roadway in Egypt, on a beautiful sunny day. Suddenly, the cry of “nasara!” pierces the air. The word “nasara” comes the the Koran and it refers to Arab women who become Christian. A rapidly-growing crowd of Muslim men surround the Arab Christian woman, and thrown her to the ground and proceed to assault her sexually.

What you instantly notice in this video, uploaded last Tuesday to YouTube, is that not one, single Muslim on the street comes to their aid. No one says anything, no one does anything. They just watch as they pass by like they were looking at pigeons on a park bench. Take a good, long, hard look at this video, American Christians. This is exactly what you can expect to happen when Islam is in power like it is in Egypt right now.

Islam is the enemy, and they hate you with all their hearts.

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Shocking evidence has emerged from the Mideast about an escalation in the persecution of Christians in Muslim countries. According to a report in Lebanon Today, at least one man was crucified and two others were otherwise executed by the jihadist group Ansar al-Shariah that had taken control of a region in Yemen and imposed Islamic religious law, known as shariah.

History shows that when Muslims are in the vast minority, they keep relatively quiet. But when they come to power, like Hitler, they immediately grow openly cruel and barbaric. When the Muslim Brotherhood took over in Egypt a few years ago, the violence and bloodshed of Arab Christians by Muslims began to skyrocket.

Islam is a religion of death, and it seeks to kill all those who will not submit to it. What you see happening in the Middle East will start happening here if we continue to allow Islam a foothold in America.

Pray for our Arab Christian brothers and sisters in the Middle East, they are paying with their lives for their faith in the only Prophet and Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

 

 

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  1. suez says:

    What a horrible, horrible sight. I hate to make it worse, but see where the black stuff runs down the middle of his clothes? I had heard they poured hot asfault upon his head. May these people rot in hell for what they are doing to people!!! “Vengeance is mine saith the Lord, I will repay”!! I would hate to be in their shoes!!! :(

  2. NTEB News Desk says:

    This photo shows the effects of his brutal death a few days after he died. His body became overtly bloated and grotesque from the street of his beating and crucifixion.

    • suez says:

      Yes, I understand that Brother, but a while back one was tortured like that, and whether it is him or not, they had poured hot tar over his head…:( Purely evilness. I can’t imagine any human being doing this to another human. I couldn’t even do it to a animal. :(

  3. Dave Aldrich says:

    This is pure evil. It’s hard for us in the West to fully grasp the persecution that our brothers and sisters are going through elsewhere in the world. What can we say but, “Come quickly, Lord Jesus! Maranatha!”

  4. arts says:

    the muslims are controlled by the Jesuit/Vatican. both hate Christians and both are brutal. Both serve the sun god Lucifer. The Jesuits are spreading their filth globally.
    Expose the Jesuits and their servants in the government is one thing. They have many religious fanatical servants as well. Vatican means “the divine serpent” Whom then do they serve?

    • brian says:

      wow thats a heavy staement.

    • Better yet, proof? Allah was the Moon god of Arabia; not the sun god. Show that they worship Lucifer.

      • suez says:

        That is true William, I seen a very interesting teaching DVD on that. It was good. Pastor Mike Hoggard, Fetus MO. put it out. He is on YouTube, or reach him at Bethel Church, Fetus MO. Free DVDs He has many subjects from the Masonic Temples, to all the New Age junk coming into the churches now days.

    • Debbie Hicks says:

      Please post more info on Jesuits. I don’t know anything about them in particular but I do know that they have a telescope in Phoenix and it’s looking for something to come from space. Could this be the deceptions that Jesus was talking about. Aliens? or so called, they are simply fallen angels that can travel in dimensions and they can walk through walls and change their appearence at will. This is some scary stuff. Tell me more about the Jesuits please since that’s what is running the vatican now. Thanks . See ya when the smoke clears.

  5. suez says:

    Another thing, folks. You notice we don’t see these things on our regular news stations!!! The liberals wouldn’t allow it!!! Grrr

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Christians are not that important to the world. Why start trouble with a demanding Christian nation, if there’s no need?

      • Deb says:

        ‘@: Ron…how u dare to say this?….Christianity is the one and only means to save this mad world like u.i will pray for u.

  6. Brian Janson says:

    Sadly this post says if you allow Islam a foothold…wake up America, it is well past the stage of being a foothold, and rapidly moving towards a stranglehold…

  7. these people are being prep for the soon to come ‘great tribulation’

    everybody has their rightful places… and islam is going to the fiery depths of hell!

  8. TexasRedNeck says:

    Coming to a town bear YOU soon !!
    It’s already begun in America, and “they” want to take away our guns. Yeah, right !!!!

  9. TexasRedNeck says:

    NEAR YOU, not bear you

  10. Mike says:

    The next time Obama states how wonderful Islam is,

    someone should staple the above picture to his

    forehead !

    • suez says:

      No kidding! We have a, well I don’t know what she is for a newscaster at our local News Station. She looks middle eastern to say the least. She had did a interview with a Muslim professor at the College here. Oh how lovely and wonderful and peaceful he made them out to be. It upset me that she put it in on the news, so I emailed her. I told her how she should read her Koran where it tells them to kill all the Infidels, (meaning christian and Jews). She wrote back that I didn’t know what I was talking about. I then emailed her a picture of Christians that had been burned alive overseas by the Islam T. (you know what that says)…you can’t say that word you know. lol I said here is your peace loving people and what they really do!! She has yet to respond…:(

      • Mike says:

        Suez, you won’t hear from her again. If I remember the

        Koran states : Do not befriend the Jew or the Christian

        pursue them, set a snare for them, kill them, unless

        they convert to Islam, then show them mercy !

        Somthing along those lines ? ..The Koran or the sword !

        It’s all diabolical ! ….And from the mouth of Satan !

        Sorry if I blasphemed ISLAM Obama , No actually I’m

        not, I was being sarcastic !!!!

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Or in his right hand, Mike.

    • Debbie Hicks says:

      Great idea. Sadly, he is a muslim and he would smile at the picture. I’m sure he would like to see all of us in that same predicament.

  11. Vern says:

    And we can Thank Obama for all of this cause he is one himself. Have you wonder why the Govt don’t want us to have weapons to defend for our family’s is because the Muslim are working their way here to the US and they will do the same to us, BUT they might try to kill and rape our woman but as a Veteran I am use to killing the enemy, so bring it own, Happy Memorial Day.

    • suez says:

      Good for you Vern!!! I agree! And to all the Veterans out there. A BIG THANK-YOU for your service to our Country!! We true Americans salute you for your service!!! I am sorry you have been so poorly treated by our government!!! :(

      • SUEZ: I do not buy all this hype that Americans are honoring veterans. Last Veteran’s Day I was in San Diego, I was in my uniform, deck out! Walk in a Wendy’s treated very nice, the next day went to the same person and he acted as I did not exist!

        • suez says:

          Well I can’t answer for anyone else. But I am grateful to you and any true American Vet that has served bravely, fighting for our freedoms!! I can only speak for myself Steve. Thank you!!!! :)

  12. suez says:

    Someone just emailed this to me, and I just had to share it. I got a chuckle out of it; I hope you do!! If you ever wondered which side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!
    If a Republican doesn’t like guns, he doesn’t buy one.
    If a Democrat doesn’t like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
    If a Republican is a vegetarian, he doesn’t eat meat.
    If a Democrat is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
    If a Republican is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
    If a Democrat is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.
    If a Republican is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
    If a Democrat is down-and-out he wonders who is going to take care of him.
    If a Republican doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
    A Democrat demands that those they don’t like be shut down.
    If a Republican is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church.
    A Democrat non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
    If a Republican decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
    If a Democrat decides he needs health care, he demands that the rest of us pay for his.
    If a Republican reads this, he’ll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh.
    A Democrat will delete it because he’s “offended”.
    Doesn’t this sound all to familiar!!!! :)

  13. The muslim has no love for humanity. He knows not what tolerance is. Thats why kills like its a sport. Thats why he kills with a smile on his lips.

    • suez says:

      It is hard to understand that. I couldn’t kill a animal. Let alone a human unless there were threatening my family!! Then look out!! :)

    • brian says:

      they are garbagepails, aren’t they?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Amen! wolfy.
      Joh 15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Joh 16:1 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.
        Joh 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
        Joh 16:3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.
        Joh 16:4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.
        Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
        Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

  14. Jesus said we would go through tribulation and persecution, after all they did the same to Him. But through it all, we know that to die is to gain, and though we may go through some, at least it’s only for that split amount of time compared to eternity in hell. Pray for our brothers and sisters in Christ around the world, but also pray for our enemies, the ones that are killing and tormenting us. If Paul(used to kill Christians) from the Bible can change and accept Christ, then anybody on this earth can be saved. Remember forgiveness and to keep calm and pray! Our Lord Jesus is coming soon!

  15. Levi says:

    This is just a glimpse of the the coming tribulation. You will hear or see this every day then, right in your neighbourhood and then right in front of your eyes. It is evil. Be prepared if you are not. Red horse = peace will be taken away from this earth. I live in a city with a muslim majority. I live in country with a Hindu majority. Their gods are Satan himself and he these people have a common enemy and that is us because of the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob whom we serve.
    I am waiting for the blessed hope but may the Lord give strength, wisdom and understanding to those who suffer for His sake.

    • suez says:

      Amen Levi, I agree. And I pray for you and your families safety and for your faith to be made mighty and that God will give you supernatural strength!!

    • suez says:

      I read a book called The Book of the Martyrs. I cried and cried and cried. All they went through. The years of torture, and abuse. I thought God, I don’t know if I would be able to endure that kind of thing. How could any human being endure that without giving in. Even if you didn’t mean it in your heart and soul, you might give in so they would stop. It scared me so bad. So I was depressed for days and days. Crying, repenting, and being depressed. Then it came to me. No man could on his own. It had to be the grace of God, and his strength, not anything any man could muster up on his own. We are so weak in the flesh. But God gave them a Martyrs grace, and if need be he will us also. So now I pray for all those going through that, that God will give them a Martyrs grace, like he did Steven, and they would be able to look up and behold the Glory of God at that time of great need!! Then it helped me, because I realized no mire man could endure that kind of torture, without Gods grace upon him! Yours in Christ

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Yes Sue this book was used as a companion with our Bibles for most of the early day of our nation and in Europe. Since, the Doctrine of Dispensation came along, it’s popularity has greatly diminished. All Christians should at least read this book.

    • suez says:

      Where do you live Levi, or can’t you say??

  16. Levi says:

    Thank you Suez for praying. We need your prayers a lot. I am not an Indian, else I would have an Indian spirit, nor an American to have an American spirit, nor a European or Australian or any other country of this world else I would have the spirit of that county. But I belong to a city, a city made without hands, whose builder and maker is God Himself and I have the Spirit of this Kingdom. I am just a foreigner here with the works not of my Father’s kingdom. The works here are of my enemy and I am not moved by them as my eyes are fixed on Him alone in this stormy sea. I will see soon my Lord coming in the waters and will hear Him say ‘Come’ and I know He will give me strength to walk to Him on the troubled waters to find myself in His warm bosom very soon. May the Lord do this to every soul and much more, whose name is written in the book of Life and they are my true brethren with whom I will spend, not just decades is centuries, but eternity. God loves you saints so talk about His love and be glad.

    • suez says:

      Amen Levi, I am so looking forward to that City!! I have a song that talks about it, and it makes me cry, because I long to be their with my Savior! Just to bow at the feet of Jesus, and behold his Glory. I can hardly contain myself just thinking about it! I am so homesick for heaven. I pray soon the Father will say, Jesus, go and get your Church, today is your wedding day!!! :)

  17. Levi says:

    *****on waters
    *****or centuries

  18. Levi says:

    I just can’t imagine what pain the relatives of this man must be going through. I cannot see my beloved hanging there like that. My bowels churn within me. It is excruxiatingly painful. May the good Lord be with the family and strengthen their faith in Him.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Amen! Brother. God be with them In their grief. But his soul is under the altar now, in a land of wondrous beauty. His soul is in eternal joy, and cheer, forever more, and preparing for his vengeance on thoses that dwell upon the earth.

  19. Levi says:

    Suez: so true. Without this grace it is impossible to sustain this torture. That is what is missing during the coming tribulation period. Not a single word of grace, mercy, lovingkindness, gentleness, goodness of God is found during this period for the people here. That scares me. I cannot of my own can undergo this torture.

    • suez says:

      But for the Christian the Lord said, he would never leave us or forsake us!!! :)

    • suez says:

      None of us could Levi. My heart cries for these dear Saints who are being tortured. Dear Father, help them!

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Just remember, the wrath of God will be worse than this man ever suffered. His pain was short lived compared to some of the the plagues of wrath. And then eternal damnation to follow. It will take the Lord to keep us, yes, Sue, but it will take faith in Him, also. The word of his patience, how strong do we believe. Those that trust in rapture for their hope will lost a lot of their faith if they go through the tribulation period. It will be a mighty blow to their faith. Many will overcome, many will fall. It’s going to be a trying time, like no other. It’s time for people to get serious with God, be it for rapture or tribulation.

  20. Levi says:

    Suez: yes for He will be with the Christians and in them and they in Him

  21. suez says:

    Goodnight dear Brothers and Sisters. May the Lord be with all of you greatly. May his peace and protection and his love surround you and protect you and your families!! :)

  22. Levi says:

    Suez: good night. May the Lord speak to you all the time, even when you close your eyes and give them rest

  23. Levi says:

    Ron: those are just correction of some errors in my previous post.

    I am using phablet so it is really hard to keep up with right spelling and grammar.

  24. Reginald says:

    God bless everyone of you here whose name are in the Lamb’s book of life slain since the foundation of the world.
    And unto the King eternal be honour, praise, worship, adoration, glory and power forever and ever. Amein!

  25. Levi says:

    I am so grateful to the Lord for giving me The Blessed Hope of rapture that I won’t be here during that horrible time. It is BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH in Christ I am saved. Without His grace I would not have faith and therefore today when I suffer tribulation/persecution, I can overcome with joy and gladness but during tribulation I am sure I would fall. Without Him I would not make it I don’t even want to try it. Those who don’t believe in this will get what they wanted for so long.
    The man John, who is known for love in all his epistles and gospel elaborates extensively about the love of God. I don’t know how he missed it in Revelation. Hmm. Now I see. He was told to write what he saw, then how can he write that which he didn’t see? I am not going to be that crazy to try out spending my last days under His wrath which starts from the seals.

  26. Mike says:

    I would love to have been there with an AK-47 and just open up on those people.

  27. Danny Topham says:

    Only you can forgive them Jesus. Come quickly

  28. Reginald says:

    Ron Murphy,
    Blessing to you also my brother.
    I agree with you, either by rapture or tribulations we should get prepared whichever one the Lord Jesus Christ chooses for us. For me it is either head or tail, that is rapture or tribulation, we must prepare for both scenarios. The Lord Jesus Christ stated we should not fear him that kills only the physical flesh, but cannot kill the soul and spirit, but we should fear Him; who, after killing the physical body, able also to cast both the body soul and spirit into hell. I tell you fear Him. Yes our brethren who brought the gospel to us were all martyred. Heaven is not cheap! The precious blood of Yeshua purchased this, but we must also be willing to die with our Lord, otherwise, we are just professors not possessor.

    Thanks to everyone here and God bless all.

  29. Islam is a religion of PIECES…of BODIES!
    “In Islam, all non-Muslims are called unbelievers or infidels. The treatment of the infidels in Islam is divided into two categories. The polytheists, pagans, idolaters and heathens have the choice of converting to Islam or suffer death. The Jews and Christians, whom the Koran calls people of the book, can retain their religion but on the sufferance of accepting humiliation and subjugation to Islam and payment of Jizyah (poll-tax) to the Islamic rulers.

    Now, let us have a closer look at what the Koran says about the infidels:-
    • Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(2:191)
    • Make war on the infidels living in your neighboorhood(9:123)
    • When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5)
    • Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29)
    • Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85)
    • The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30)
    • Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam. (5:33)
    • The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28)
    • Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies
    (22:19)
    • Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4)
    • The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65)
    • Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28)
    • Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an (8:12)
    • Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels (8:60)

    The Qur’an certainly proclaims that when the time is appropriate, Muslims must use force to convert the unbelievers to Islam. For the non-Muslims, the alternative to this is to pay the humiliating protection money (Jizya tax) or be killed (by beheading, of course). A militarily dominant Islam, without doubt, precludes the peaceful co-existence with the unbelievers if the Muslims have to abide strictly by the unalterable stipulations of the Qur’an.

    This is why we see very few “moderate” muslims coming out and speaking against the violence. There is so much overwhelming evidence stacked against them not able to be “moderate” because of the fundamental belief’s of Islam.”

    Muslims have been THE scourge of the Earth since their “religion’s” birth! BTW if you happen to be black in the USA, your ancestors were sold into slavery by North African MUSLIM pirates. Get an education HERE: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    “BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you WILL be SAVED.” (Acts 16:31) Otherwise…you’re toast.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Thank you, Weatherman. I’ve never read the Koran, neither do I want, I’m glad you have taken the time to inform us. I do believe very strongly the Beast will come from this group, I believe he will be their Mahdi and Israels, false Messiah. But he will not accept either religion as told in Daniel.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Many people believe the beast to be a kingdom. Well, this is only partly right. It is both a kingdom, and the king of that kingdom. But when it comes down to it,this antichrist will obtain the kingdom, the kingdom being all Palestine. The saints will take back the kingdom in the end, at the battle of Armageddon. Now if the kingdom is the beast, what rides on the back of the beast? Yes, the harlot. So if the harlot is on the back of the kingdom, who is on the back of Palestine? What great city?

        Rev 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
        Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

        • suez says:

          Most bible teachers teach that it is Rome, but I’m not sure of that. Who do you say it is Ron? :)

        • suez says:

          Do tell Ron. What city do you think this is? I’ve been trying to figure that one out for a while now!! :( All the buying and selling and all, I just can’t fit one into the scenario. I don’t think Rome is much of a merchandiser anymore are they. Maybe I just don’t know. :(

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Sue When I posted below I had no ideal that you had already posted this. That wake up was not intended for you. You are more awake than most by far.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Wake up people, get your eyes off the decoy, and get your thoughts on what it’s all about. God does not concern Himself with Rome. She has never been something to Him. His heart is broken, for His beloved has betrayed Him. She has gone a whoring around on Him. It is the city called by His name, for she is married to Him. As she betrayed His love, she broke His heart, the heart of our Creator. But His love is being reborn in heaven, it is coming down to earth, soon-the new bride, the new city-the New Jerusalem. He never loved Rome. His love and His wife, was Jerusalem, the city called by His name.

          Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
          Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

          Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
          Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

          Zep 3:16 In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem, Fear thou not: and to Zion, Let not thine hands be slack.
          Zep 3:17 The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.

          Zec 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.

          Mic 5:12 And I will <b?cut off witchcrafts out of thine hand; and thou shalt have no more soothsayers:
          Mic 5:13 Thy graven images also will I cut off, and thy standing images out of the midst of thee; and thou shalt no more worship the work of thine hands.
          Mic 5:14 And I will pluck up thy groves out of the midst of thee: so will I destroy thy cities.
          Mic 5:15 And I will execute vengeance in anger and fury upon the heathen, such as they have not heard.

          Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
          Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
          Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

          Luk 13:33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
          The Word of God can not Lie.

          • suez says:

            Well I have been trying to be awake!! LOL, I never thought it was Rome like so many do. But, there again, I really don’t know. You have a good point about Jerusalem, but has she been that big of a trader of fine merchandise? Would people from all over, say alas she has fallen? And cry and wail that she had fallen? They hate Israel, so they would hate Jerusalem also wouldn’t they? It could be, I’m not disagreeing with you. But at this time, I just don’t know. But I’m confident God will show me, as I am asking him to do so!! :) But right now, I am seeing again a lot of man’s opinions. From the preachers, prophecy teachers and everywhere! So confused!!! :(

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Sue, satan has always wanted what belongs to God. He wants His wife to reign in her:

            2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

            Dan 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

            Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression,

            Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

            Dan 11:2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

            Sue, that’s where the money’s coming from.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            The antichrist will be rich, plus when the ten horns give him their power he will be very rich because, they are holding the oil of all of Persia, For it was also the prince of Persia that withstood Gabriel, to keep Daniel from getting the vision. The devil tried to stop it but, failed. He’s tried his best to discredit the prophesies of Daniel ever since it was written. Trying to even fulfill it if he could. Using Antiochus Epiphanes to do the deceiving. You see Sue it is power to control the oil that will give him so much power over the nations. God put that oil there for a reason.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Praise God anyway!

  30. Reginald says:

    Weatherman 1951!
    Thank you so much for the exhaustive catalogue of violence within the Qu’ran; and as explained the reason why there is no moderates muslims in significant numbers coming out to demonstrate and condemn the muslim terrorists within their own religion. In essence, they are all in it. Their silence, is defeaning and consent. And we here in the west better seat up and speak out in defense of our brethren in the middle east, asia, Africa all over the world who are exposed to the full range of the fury of Islamic cruelty against our brethren, otherwise; when it comes on our doorstep no one to speak out, and help and support the persecuted church. And if we fear for political correctness and being labelled Islam phobia; the Lord will permit the enemy to do what they are doing to our brethren in the middle east.

  31. Reginald says:

    Weatherman 1951!
    Thank you so much for the exhaustive catalogue of violence within the Qu’ran; and as explained the reason why there is no moderates muslims in significant numbers coming out to demonstrate and condemn the muslim terrorists within their own religion. In essence, they are all in it. Their silence, is defeaning and consent. And we here in the west better seat up and speak out in defense of our brethren in the middle east, asia, Africa all over the world who are exposed to the full range of the fury of Islamic cruelty against our brethren, otherwise; when it comes on our doorstep no one to speak out, and help and support the persecuted church. And if we fear for political correctness and being labelled Islam phobia; the Lord will permit the enemy to do what they are doing to our brethren in the middle east.

    Regards.

  32. Ron Murphy says:

    King & Kingdom
    In Daniel chapter 2 Daniel see the vision of Nebuchadnezzar of the kingdoms of the image in his vision. Daniel told the king, he was this head of Gold. Daniel 2:38.

    Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
    Dan 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
    Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and it shall stand for ever.
    Dan 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
    Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

  33. Saeed Abedini remains in an Iranian prison due to his faith. A few days ago, two prison mates were hanged for their faith. A pastor of a previously sanctioned church (not an underground church) was arrested, giving clear indication that government crackdown on Christianity is growing. The elections are on June 14, and things will probably get even worse after that. Saeed’s wife Nagmeh is on her way to speak before the UN in Geneva regarding his situation. God is giving both of them a powerful voice from inside and outside of prison. They need our prayers. My prayer is that God would give them both voices from outside prison and that Saeed would be reunited with his family.

  34. Levi says:

    Suez: I live in India

  35. Levi says:

    Ron: I do love among Muslims but I am not yet persecuted. I do need your prayers. The only thing is that we cannot preach the gospel openly. Yet, I have tried to witness Christ to some Muslims. I do not let go any opportunity preaching the gospel to anybody. Just a few months I used to live in a hindu majority state where Christians were badly persecuted by Hindu radical groups.
    As I live among staunch Muslims, I know what they think and because I have to witness them Jesus I need to know what they believe in. But the Lord leads us and helps us to speak what we should speak. Glory be to God in Jesus name.

  36. Levi says:

    Corrections:
    love among = live among
    few months = few months ago

  37. Levi says:

    Suez: it’s so hard for me to talk to you guys through this phablet.
    Thank you for praying for us. Thank you Ron for your prayers too.
    Very soon the persecution against Christians is going to start both through Muslims and Hindus.

    • suez says:

      Well I don’t know what a phablet is. Is that something that translates languages? I am saddened by your report. I thought the Hindus were a peaceful lot??? Or is that Buddhist? Of coarse they are all of the devil, so they can all turn. :( I don’t think Americans are safe anymore either, at least not for long anyway. May the Lord strengthen us in the faith in him, and watch over us at all times. May his Angles guard over us, and his blood be upon us. God is greater than any devil! “Greater is he that is in us, than he that is in the world.”!!!! Peace unto you in Christ Jesus!

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Levi, I had no idea that the Hindus were that bad.

  38. Levi says:

    Suez: Phone + Tablet = Phablet :D
    I think that city is NYC. Just guessing because it fits most of the qualities. Like people made rich through merchandise and this has a sea port.

    • suez says:

      OK, now I get it. Yes I have thought about NYC also. But she didn’t appear until around 200+ years ago. Wouldn’t it been a city that has been here the whole time? That is what makes that scripture so hard to understand. :) Oh well, I guess we will find out…:)

  39. Ron Murphy says:

    As you was asking is was answering, Post 73 for now.

  40. Levi says:

    Ron: Hindus are not bad. Hindus believe in not less than a million gods so they don’t have unity among themselves just as their gods do not have unity among themselves. Their gods have fought wars among themselves and as funny it may sound that their gods used to come to godmen on earth for guidance and more power. There are some fundamentalists in Hindus as well who are striving to be one and fight against every other religion. They have no other reason than their feeling of insecurity of becoming extinct for being so violent.
    As for Muslims, their book itself is corrupt. A true follower of Islam has to become a terrorist else he is not a Muslim. They have no peace. They fight among themselves. They do not have any reason to fight. They just do because they are possessed by violent spirits. In my experienxe, a muslim comes to Christ through supernatural means only. It could be by visions or dreams. That is my experience. I don’t say this is for all.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      God said Ishmael would be a mighty warrior. Since he is the brother of the promise, it only confirms his hatred for his brother.

      Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

      Desolate as in abomination of desolation, in the holy place, as in temple in Jerusalem???

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Ezekiel didn’t seem to mind it, in chapter 16. I believe he was anointed of God all so. Jerusalem of today is God’s harlot because of her abonimations. The pure and Holy Jerusalem is yet to come, she is the bride of Christ, The Lambs wife.

        Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.
        Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
        Jesus made it clear we shall reign with Him So that reigning will be on earth to rule the nations will a rod of iron. So this coming down from heaven can not be the church.

        Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
        Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
        Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

      • suez says:

        The Abomination of Desolation, may already be there. Isn’t the dome of the rock a Muslim temple??? And It shall sit!! “Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where IT ought not, let (him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains:”
        Num 14:34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise. Eze 4:5 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.
        Eze 4:6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year. “A day for a year. “Here in the two places it appears in the Bible the Lord shows Daniel that in His eyes , one day is equal to one year. ONE DAY= ONE YEAR. Ezekiel was a prophet, so one prophetic day would also equal one year. Not a new concept. With this new day=year, unit of measure applied to his prophecy, Daniel could understand. He remembered when the regular evening and morning sacrifices were abolished in 583BC. He looked from 583 BC. down 1290 Hebrew years into the future. He saw an unbelievable abomination was going to trespass on the temple mount. One that would make it desolate. And abomination that would defile it beyond belief, and prevent all future sacrifices. What could that terrible thing be? That Daniel could not know: 1290 Hebrew years (1271.5 solar years) after 583 BC. is 688.5 AD and that is exactly 1290 Hebrew years after sacrifices were abolished. From 685AD to 705 AD, Abd el Malik built the Done of the Rock, a memorial to Mohammed, on the temple mount!!! Thus, now we have a positive identification: THE DOME OF THE ROCK is the Abomination which maketh Desolate! ” This isn’t my concept, but I quoted this out of a book I am reading. I think it is very interesting. I am not saying I believe it or not believe it, but I find it extremely interesting anyway. What say ye??? LOL :)

        • Levi says:

          Suez:
          Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
          Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
          Man this gives me shudders!!!
          We have read it so many times, yet we have not understood it clearly but only assumptions. At least for me this is true that I have not understood it clearly yet. Let me pray to the Lord regarding this and let us see what He will tell us what it is. I hope you are praying too Suez.

          As far as the Dome of the Rock is concerned, yes this could be the abomination which maketh desolate and when connected to the times since the daily sacrifice is taken away literally, this could even more prove that this could be that.

          However, if this Dome of the Rock could be believed and accepted as the abomination that maketh desolate then the events following it run off track.
          Consider this, the events following the settingup of ‘abomination that maketh desolate’
          Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
          Now the time is given for how long the Gentiles will tread Jerusalem which is 42 months.
          Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
          But we find them, the gentiles treading the holy city since 631 AD even until now – 1382 years.

          This is just what I think. I am not sure though.

  41. Levi says:

    Psalms 130:3-4 If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?
    But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.

    And that is why we adore Him for what He is. He can punish for the evils and for the sins of His people but He is plenteous in mercy.
    Job was reprimanded in secret but was honored openly. So was Moses. And so is Jerusalem. He is able to forgive. Yes saying that Jerusalem is a harlot and that she is he mother of harlots is just gross. If you ask me, I would not even dare to say so. David feared to raise his hand against a man who was possessed by an evil spirit but still honored Saul saying ‘who am I to stretch forth my hand against the Lord’s anointed’ but again read Jude 1:10 and fear the Lord.

  42. Levi says:

    Psalms 137:1-9 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
    We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.
    For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion.
    How shall we sing the LORD’S song in a strange land?
    If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning.
    If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.
    Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.
    O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
    Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

    But there are people today who sit by the rivers of Babylon (I can call any other nation – a confusion) and they don’t weep when they remember Zion

  43. Levi says:

    Permit me to use a little common sense here.

    If I had loved Ms. J and she became a harlot and then I don’t even forgive her, then I wouldn’t name my wife after my girlfriend who was a harlot.

  44. Levi says:

    Zechariah 1:16-17 Therefore thus saith the LORD; I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies: my house shall be built in it, saith the LORD of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth upon Jerusalem.
    Cry yet, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; My cities through prosperity shall yet be spread abroad; and the LORD shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem.

    I believe Zechariah came after Ezekiel and prophesied this and I also believe Zechariah was anointed.

  45. Ron Murphy says:

    Jerusalem is a sinner in God’s eyes and God will destroy her that’s in the Bible, only a remnant will be saved, the 144,000. The place itself is Holy , and that is Mount Zion. God will choose Jerusalem again Zech. 2:12.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Jerusalem has God’s name. You cannot remove your name from your old wife, is she becomes a harlot. Your new wife will have to take your name, again. The old Jerusalem has to be destroyed before the new one can come. The antichrist reigning in her and controlling the nations with the oil monopoly going on in her will cause all the nations to take the mark of the beast and drink of the cup of God’s wrath at her hand. This is the worship of the beast, and his image, the abomination.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
        Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

        Isa 40:1 Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
        Isa 40:2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD’S hand double for all her sins.
        Isa 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
        Isa 40:4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
        Isa 40:5 And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

        Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

        Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

  46. Levi says:

    Jerusalem is a sinner and so is every city, in God’s eyes and God will destroy her and the whole earth and that’s also in the Bible. The remnant of Israel which is 144k are the elect in the end time during tribulation but before that there are many Jews who are coming to Christ and are saved. I agree that all Israel is not chosen. There are many who are not Jews who call themselves Jews as per the Bible but that does not negate the fact that Israel and Jerusalem are of God. Even there was a black sheep in Jesus team, but that does not mean the whole team was rejected. He said these words,
    John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

  47. Levi says:

    As for me a sinner, I would not leave my wife and divorce her. If she plays harlotry I will wait until she repents of her sins and come back to me looking for forgiveness. I would not go looking for a new wife. But God who holy and true, who is longsuffering, will He not forgive her backsliding? Will he not heal her? Will he not pardon her after that she has received more than her sins? Is He like a modern man, who will just look for a new wife?
    As New Jerusalem is for us gentiles so is the earthly Jerusalem for earthly Israel. And the Lord loves both.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Luk 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
      Luk 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

  48. Levi says:

    Luke 13:34-35, should even strengthen the point that the call for repentance is still made for this ‘harlot’ and that is because there is a hope.

    Again there is a comfort for Jerusalem, why? Because she is going to perish?

    Isa 40:1 Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
    Isa 40:2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD’S hand double for all her sins.

    She (Not New Jerusalem) has received double for all her (Not New Jerusalem)sins of the Lord’s hands, her (Not New Jerusalem) warfare is accomplished and THAT HER (Not New Jerusalem) INIQUITY IS PARDONED. Therefore SPEAK COMFORTABLY TO HER (Not New Jerusalem).

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Levi, You miss the point totally, God is not forsaken the land, He has forsaken his people. He will have a new people from his city, He calls the remnant, a 144,000 choose from the tribes of Israel. God has not totally forsaken them. But He will destroy most of the people in the city of Jerusalem. You can not dispute God’s word, Brother.

      Eze 22:19 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye are all become dross, behold, therefore I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem.
      Eze 22:20 As they gather silver, and brass, and iron, and lead, and tin, into the midst of the furnace, to blow the fire upon it, to melt it; so will I gather you in mine anger and in my fury, and I will leave you there, and melt you.
      Eze 22:21 Yea, I will gather you, and blow upon you in the fire of my wrath, and ye shall be melted in the midst thereof.

      Zep 1:12 And it shall come to pass at that time, that I will search Jerusalem with candles, and punish the men that are settled on their lees: that say in their heart, The LORD will not do good, neither will he do evil.
      Zep 1:13 Therefore their goods shall become a booty, and their houses a desolation: they shall also build houses, but not inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, but not drink the wine thereof.
      Zep 1:14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
      Zep 1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
      Zep 1:16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.
      Zep 1:17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.
      Zep 1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD’S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

      • Levi says:

        Ron: He will not forsake His people. In fact you are going against God’s word.

        Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
        Romans 11:2 God hath not cast away
        his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

        Keeping the remnant for Himself has been since the beginning. Noah and family was left from the deluge, Abraham and family was chosen for His covenant, Lot was the remnant saved from Sodom and Gomorrah, out of over 6 million left from Egypt only two reached the promised land so on and so forth. Over all He has not forsaken His people. Through His remnant, He will raise up His people again. So will He do even in the end. As for today’s Israel, I agree not all of them are Jews, but there is a huge lot who are the Lord’s elect by His grace.
        Romans 11:5 Even so then AT THIS PRESENT TIME also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

        Paul is not talking of the remnant in the future but there IS a remnant always according the grace. Even today, you see Jews coming to Christ. If the Lord has forsaken His people, you would not have seen one single Jew to be converted to Christianity. Why? There would not have been any grace for them. But that is not the truth. Both the land and the people have found grace in the sight of the Lord but as a nation they have been forsaken, yet not completely. The nation Israel today is like a sign for the end times.
        Today’s Christians keep boasting that they have replaced Israel.

        Romans 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
        Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. (Replacement?)

        Romans 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
        Romans 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

        Then Paul goes on to say this:
        Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness IN PART is happened to Israel, UNTIL the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
        Romans 11:26 And so ALL Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

        Don’t you see this Ron?

        Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
        (It is neither talking about the land nor ONLY the 144k but ALL ISRAEL)

        I don’t understand, when this Word of God is so clear, why you still keep resisting the truth?

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Levi, I’ve read the Bible. I know what it says. I believe it all. God will return to his people as a whole, when he returns. That day has not come yet.
          Every Jew living today has every right to except Jesus as their Savior, They deserve that right more than you or I do. For they are the natural branch. God has had mercy on us because of their rebellion. You make me out to hate them. But you bare false witness. I have never hated the natural branch that we are graphed into. My blessed Savior was a Jew, and so was all the people that wrote the book of His Word. As far as that goes we Christians are Jews, once we are graphed in.

          My brother why is it that you chase me around these pages to contradict most of what I say? Why is it every time I try to teach and expound on God’s word, you are there to debate my opinion? Why my brother do you think of me as a spirit of the devil and I have no right of being here? These are answer I would like to know. I do not understand why you do these things.

          • Levi says:

            Ron: I believe you see the Bible in part.

            Let me give you just one instance:

            Isa 40:2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD’S hand double for all her sins.

            You highlighted this part and I wondered if you even considered the previous sentence which says that Jerusalem was pardoned.

            You keep posting the Scriptures about the destruction of Babylon in Revelation, which only you have deduced it to be so.
            Isaiah 13:19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees’ excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
            Isaiah 21:9 And, behold, here cometh a chariot of men, with a couple of horsemen. And he answered and said, Babylon is fallen, is fallen; and all the graven images of her gods he hath broken unto the ground.

            However, Isaiah 21 talks about the judgment on all the nations around Israel.

            Let me reiterate if you have not heard properly. You keep saying that Jerusalem is a harlot. Why is there so urge within you to keep saying that? You said, the Lord has forsaken His people, right? Now you are saying that you love them. If you loved them, you wouldn’t keep saying these things. Even the prophets of old, wept along with Jerusalem because she was punished by God.

            Let me call you brother for once because I mean what I say. Brother Ron, please don’t call Jerusalem as a harlot. I know she has sinned but it is God that forgives. She has suffered a lot. No other city has suffered as much as Jerusalem has. She has been invaded so many times, destroyed twice, attacked over 50 times. Did she not pay her debts? Don’t you see millions of Jews been ripped off by Hitler?
            You say that you love them. I haven’t seen even one post from you for Israel but have seen you are so bent on proving that Jerusalem is a harlot and Israel has been forsaken. What does that mean brother?

            I do not chase you around. Why do you think so? Do not I have my opinion to post here? The problem is your opinions contradict mine. You keep talking against the pre-trib rapture and I keep talking for it. So what is YOUR problem? You are most welcome to be here. I want you to be here. I enjoy the scriptures you post. Not only you, if I feel that anybody is going against the scriptures then I will post my view as well.

            Ron, my friend, I do not condemn anybody, but I stand firm in what I believe and I defend it. As my opinions are against yours, it is obvious you will feel that I am against you. I do not go for personal attacks. I don’t have flair for that Ron. Be it far from me that I should think you are from the devil. The devil is a deadly enemy. I take him literal Ron. He is the last enemy. He is cruel. The worst of all creatures. So I will not even compare an animal, which is again the Lord’s beloved creation, with the devil.

          • Levi, Isaiah was a prophet. Most of what he wrote was prophecy. All that was written in this passage was prophecy. We see John the Baptist prophesied in verse Isa. 40:3. We know that Isaiah 40:4 has not been fulfilled yet. Isaiah 40:10 declares his reigning upon the earth. God will restore Jacob But that day is just ahead.
            God did not call the harlot, Babylon, but rather Mystery Babylon, He also call Jerusalem Egypt and Sodom. So why is He not supposed to call her Babylon? He called her Egypt and Sodom because of her fornication with their gods. The same with Babylon, Is that not where the Muslim faith comes from, Persia?

            Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            That was, me, Ron, above.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            It’s not me that is chasing you, Brother, I have no problem. There are many on this sight I disagree with. I don’t make it my place to disagree with them directly. Your opinion does count, but you have taken it to the extreme. Saying what I teach is of the devil and calling me a Jew hater is not Godly, brother. And all this because you do not understand me. How can a man be understood if you only listen to half of his story. You will judge him guilty before you know his cause. You have deemed me false from my first few posts, just because it did not suit your rapture theory. You say you will not make it through trib, if you must go into it, then you are not worthy of the Kingdom of God. But my brother, You don’t have to worry, I know your faith is strong, you prove that. But make your faith in truth and you can make it. I hope you are raptured out, then, happy am I for you, but if you are not, then trust in God for the future. Is that asking you to much?

  49. Ron Murphy says:

    Hos 1:2 The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD.

    Hos 2:2 Plead with your mother, plead: for she is not my wife, neither am I her husband: let her therefore put away her whoredoms out of her sight, and her adulteries from between her breasts;
    Hos 2:3 Lest I strip her naked, and set her as in the day that she was born, and make her as a wilderness, and set her like a dry land, and slay her with thirst.
    Hos 2:4 And I will not have mercy upon her children; for they be the children of whoredoms.
    Hos 2:5 For their mother hath played the harlot: she that conceived them hath done shamefully: for she said, I will go after my lovers, that give me my bread and my water, my wool and my flax, mine oil and my drink.
    Hos 3:1 Then said the LORD unto me, Go yet, love a woman beloved of her friend, yet an adulteress, according to the love of the LORD toward the children of Israel, who look to other gods, and love flagons of wine.

    Hos 3:3 And I said unto her, Thou shalt abide for me many days; thou shalt not play the harlot, and thou shalt not be for another man: so will I also be for thee.
    Hos 3:4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim:
    Hos 3:5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.

  50. Ron Murphy says:

    Hos 4:5 Therefore shalt thou fall in the day, and the prophet also shall fall with thee in the night, and I will destroy thy mother.
    Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

    Hos 9:1 Rejoice not, O Israel, for joy, as other people: for thou hast gone a whoring from thy God, thou hast loved a reward upon every cornfloor.

  51. Deb says:

    Bastard Islam….religion of death…..this mad world talk about the right of Sodomites …here Christians killed like a dog….God will judge all of us.
    May Lord Jesus give them strength and persistence for those who persecuted by Evils.Amen.

  52. suez says:

    I am not the scholar you two are, but I believe this scripture to be true as the Bible says: er 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:

  53. suez says:

    that was Jer. 3:14 sorry

  54. Levi says:

    Ron: Forgive me brother. I have not hurt you with any bad intentions. I would never do that. But if it has hurt you very badly, then I am sorry. Please understand, even I need to post my opinion which may stand against yours.
    God bless you.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      That is fine I not hurt at you. It is great that you post your opinion. But it is not me that comes upon your opinion to debate it. When I pick a subject you follow and rebut every thing I say. Now I would say that you have a problem with me. That is very evident of what you are doing. For I must ask why is it just me? There are many others here who post contrary to what you believe. So why is it me, brother?

  55. Pete says:

    It’s only a matter of time before Islamists are All scrutinized for the actions (repeated) of their kind.

  56. Mckay says:

    Do any of you know that there are seven new muslims , five of which are with Homeland Security, that have been placed in political positions as part of the White House cabinet? Is there any way to send an email with their pics so that everyone can view them and read about their positions?

  57. Levi says:

    If you think that Isaiah’s prophecy is not fulfilled then why quote even her receiving the punishment for her sins? If you quote punishment then why leave behind the forgiveness? Miilions of Jews were killed by Hitler, even today every Israeli lives in fear. It’s so ironic that the meaning of Jerusalem is ‘city of peace’. Is that not enough what they have received? For over one and half a millennium they were without a nation.

    She is called not only ‘mystery Babylon’ but also ‘mother of HARLOTS’. More severe than just harlot. This is Babylon and it is not Persia.

  58. suez says:

    WOW, read this!! I am very thankful I don’t live there. http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/as-iraq-runs-dry-a-plague-of-snakes-is-unleashed-1705315.html “Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.” Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the BEAST OF THE EARTH. I don’t know, but could this be what God was partly talking about???? Yikes…

  59. Levi says:

    Anybody who comes scoffing the pre trib rapture is against my opinion so I discount that idea and why shouldn’t I do that? Yes, your teaching of calling us fairy take believers is heretic and I stand against all heresis. You kept calling Jerusalem a harlot and I have to again stand against it.
    I have told you that your zeal for God is truly commendable. You are sincere but I am just trying to correct your understanding of the Scriptures. This is not for you but for the people who read our posts so that they may think and come to conclusion what is right.
    Who am I to judge you? I do not judge anyone. If you don’t hate Israel then it’s fine but it is your own words which keep telling us that Israelis are forsaken people and Jerusalem is a harlot. When I stand for their forgiveness through God’s word you keep refuting even that? So what one will make out of it? I don’t have to worry about the tribulation because I am not appointed for it. If I miss the rapture then it is because I was not ready. In that case I would hardly make it through the tribulation. Ifnnot during grace period then how will I make it during the time of wrath? Again, if I am going into tribulation then it would become impossible for me to have strong faith in Him without His grace. And I know there is no grace during this time.

  60. Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
    Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
    Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
    Rev 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
    Rev 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

    It says they made their robes white in the blood of the Lamb, if this is not under the grace of Christ, then who is it under?

    • Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
      Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
      Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

      Jesus said that He would be with us to the end of the world. That means the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, is with us always, to the end of the world. Christ said it. I believe it.

      • Tracy says:

        That’s what I’ve been trying to say (if) we are here during the tribulation He is with us. We will have strength from Him to endure whatever is to come.
        But, on the other hand (if) true believers are raptured the empowered Church will be gone.
        2 Corinthians 6:2 ……… now is the day of salvation.”

  61. suez says:

    All of this wanting to be right stuff, makes me not even want to come here anymore. Why can’t we post stuff and say, this is the way I see it. But if you don’t see it that way, OK then. Let face it people, a lot of men think they know everything about what God has written. Personally, I think we won’t know some of it until it happens, then we will say, yes this is what God was talking about!! But to always try and be “the right one” is so silly to me, since none of us really know till it happens. Until then, we must love each other, lift each other up, encourage each other in the faith, and Love the Lord our God and our brothers and sisters in the Lord. Yes we all have our ideas, but are they right??? Only time will tell. Until then, let us, be about our Fathers business, and win souls for Christ, and be a encouragement to one another. Praying, supporting, singing praise to God. God knows we have enough to deal with these days, without dealing with each other also. I say this for myself, as well as for anyone else. “Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
    Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
    Gal 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
    Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
    Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
    Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
    Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
    Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
    Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
    Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
    Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
    Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
    Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
    Gal 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another. ” Love in Christ, Suez :)

    • Ron Murphy says:

      That is up to you, Sue. We are not here to prove anything, that I am right, God has called me to tell this truth. I will obey him, whether you, or all who here me, say we don’t want it. I have not come against Levi, it is visa-versa. I don’t ask that any follow me , but rather follow God’s word. That is up to you. But I will continue until He says Leave. I’m not looking for buddies or support. I try to uplift, but at the same time to expound on the not so pleasant meat of His word. I don’t expect to be liked for it. But time is running out, God wants his people to know.

      • suez says:

        I never said you Ron, I said everyone. No one person. It just gets old seeing all the arguing, that is all. None of us will convenience anyone of anything. It has to be the Holy Spirit that opens ones eyes to truth. That is all I was saying. I never said I disagreed or agreed with you. Peace Brother. Peace. I understand. But I get so tired of arguing. That is all.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          I get tired of it to, But it is Levi that has chosen the path of the oppressor.

          Jer 23:28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.
          Jer 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
          Jer 23:30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.

          • suez says:

            But don’t you suppose Levi thinks he is just as right as you think you are. And the trouble being, is that everyone has their own scriptures to back up what they believe. I am finding, the more I find out, the less I think I know. Hearing preachers preach, and prophecy teachers teach, they all teach their own opinions of scripture. I get really depressed about it sometimes. Because we all think “WE” got it. But How can WE all have it, when we all take it to mean something different?? There has to be truth. God meant his truth to be meant one way. But just maybe he hasn’t opened it all up, as of yet, and until then, everyone is coming to their own way of thinking. I don’t believe Levi means to oppress anyone. It is just how he see’s the scripture, just as you see it another way. God help us to come into some-kind of Unity. You said your not looking for buddies. Well I am. I am looking for the support and love of my fellow believers, for we need each other in this time and this day. I don’t have a church home, but I do love to fellowship with the brother n….We need each other, at least that is what the Bible says. “Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.” I for one need my brothers and sisters! Just my humble opinion, brother. God Bless. :)

          • There will only be true unity when Christ returns and sets up His kingdom.

            Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
            Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
            Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
            Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
            Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
            Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith,
            and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
            Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
            Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
            Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

          • suez says:

            Maybe your right, sigh, but I would love to be in one accord as they were in the upper room at Pentecost!!! Oh, how my heart yearns to be with Jesus. I so want the truth only, but so many opinions drives me nuts!!! LOL ;:)

          • Me, too!! Just think what it was like. Just think what we could accomplish, if we were all in unity, believing in the truth. That’s why satan has so many false doctrines out there, he is afraid of what we could do!! So sad, isn’t it?

          • Levi says:

            Yes, until He comes back we will not be perfect, and that means we are sinners too and that means we are harlots too.

          • Levi says:

            Suez: As I have already said the Lord gives a person what he NEEDS but if that person denies it then He will give what he WANTS.
            He gives according to a man’s faith. Generally, the more you try to challenge God, even if it is for good, the more you will get stuck with your own foolishness.
            Peter challenged that he would not forsake Him and would give life for Him but found himself repenting. Peter again resisted Jesus from washing his feet and got stuck. When the Lord explained, he reversed his challenge and went to other extreme. Jephthah vowed, out of his zeal but got stumped when the reality stared right into his eyes.
            The Lord has given a promise for you and that you have to accept it. If you don’t want the promise but if you think you can EARN it a harder way then the Lord will do that for you according to your faith.
            We have so many believers in this world who have faith in God in their own way. Some believe that having lot of money is a blessing and yes the Lord blesses them. Some, that being blessed with good health is ALL and the Lord does it according to their faith. He will answer and give you according to your faith.
            I have learnt this sometime back. Accept the Lord the way He gives it to you, the way He pleases and not the way you please. He knows how much you love Him just as He knew how much Peter loved Him.

          • Levi says:

            I have chosen the path of the oppressor to oppress you Ron?
            Could you please clarify who is this ‘THE Oppressor’?

            For me the word of God is bread of life, the fountain of living waters.

            Amen Ron for the Word of God. I am glad that His word breaks every stubborn thing and burns up every chaff which is in me and I need it. Praise the Lord.

        • Levi says:

          Suez: Amen…..
          I must have said this at least 10 times that no one can convince anyone of a doctrine just by sitting here and posting few verses. Just as they were before logging into NTEB, they will be same when they are logging out. If that were so easy to convince people, then there wouldn’t be any necessity for saints of God to get killed. The true children of God pray day and night in pain and agony, making intercession for His people; in the middle of the night they wake up and pour out their hearts to Him for the children who are in streets, hungry and thirsty of the word of God.

          • suez says:

            So if I or someone doesn’t wake up to this, this means we are not true children of God? I call that intercessory prayer, and not everyone has it. I have had it at times, but I cannot put it upon myself!! It came to me by the Holy Spirit. I haven’t had it for a while, so I must not be saved anymore??? Huh

          • Levi says:

            Suez: We are all children of God. If one member suffers the other members feel the pain right? If we love the Lord our God, who gave His only begotten Son not only for you or for me but also for His other children as well because of His love for them as well, should not we also have the same love for them? Will we just sit and do nothing for them? If we do not love other children then His love is not in us.

            Being saved is another chapter for me. It is altogether a different topic.

      • Tracy says:

        Ron,
        I don’t understand why you have been called by God to tell us the truth. Are you a prophet? If so, will you please tell us how you know for sure? And if you have been called by God in these last days, wouldn’t there be many more? I have noticed that you think you are always right about the interpretation of the scriptures, but how are you 100% correct. You even wrote that in one of your post. I don’t see how any of us can be right all the time. Just wondering…………

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Is it for you to understand why God has called me? How can I answer a question that I don’t fully understand myself? Am I a prophet, God has not told me that. Ask Him for yourself. Has God told me to teach this teaching? Yes, He has. That is all I can say on that matter. Do I want to be right? The answer is I want to know the true, and God has shown me the truth. It’s not that I like, of what will happen to this world in the near future. I never the less love God’s Holy word. It gives life and gives it more abundantly. I know His word can never lie. All things written will come to past. His word will never past away. All His promises are true. It is some of you, that can not except them. So you condemn His words before you even here them. The Pharisees did this same thing. All that God asks of you is that you listen and unharden your hearts. He’s not forcing this down your throats. He is only wanting you to know what thus saith the Lord. If you listen to man for your doctrine then you have offended God. He wants you to ask, Him. If you seek any other way you have curse yourself. God will show you nothing. Seek the Lord for truth, He is Truth. Ask and you shall receive. Seek and you shall find. Knock and it shall be opened. But you all seek that of man. God is sore displeased with that. The truth lays before you. God want you to know it. The time is upon this world you will need the Truth to withstand.

          • Tracy says:

            Ron,
            You are right in that “all things written will come to pass.” “All his promises are true.” But be very careful in saying that some of us will not accept His word. We do accept the Word, but that doesn’t mean we will see it just like you do. You always think that you’re right. But, I don’t always agree with what you say, and you are guilty of judging. That’s God duty to judge.
            Therefore. we need not listen to you, since you are just a man.

      • Levi says:

        If what you are posting here is NOT from you but from the Father, then why do you think that Levi is against YOU?

        You feel that he is against YOU and not against the Father because you know that what you are posting is of you and not of the Father.

        And you already don’t expect to be liked or accepted then be prepared, please don’t complain.

        Yeah, time is running out…..but for what? For the antichrist to appear?

        • Ron Murphy says:

          It’s not me complaining, It’s everyone else who sick of this bickering. You and I don’t see even close. Now is it your job to contest with what I teach, and if so who gave you that job, Tracy? or Pastor? or was it God? I’d like to know that answer. And to answer you question, time is running out for this world to be saved. He’s coming as a thief. And it’s all over after that, the door is shut. I never knew you.

          • Levi says:

            Yes, YOUR teaching is completely wrong. If it were God’s then I would have accepted it. You yourself admit that it is YOUR teaching. Get down from that pedestal of pride, Ron. You are not what you say. You say that you are humble but there is no consistency.

            You will not get that answer because you know the answer.

            You are right. Time is running out to be saved so don’t just keep bickering about that rapture thing. A man cannot be saved by believing a pre or post trib rapture. You will not find this in the Holy Bible.

            He is coming as a thief and you will not even know that He has come and gone. But when you will SEE Him, there is nothing you can do but only mourn.

          • Tracy says:

            Levi,
            I don’t understand why Ron is so head-strong about teaching his rapture doctrine when it’s our salvation that is most important. There are millions who are hell-bound just because they haven’t received Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
            To you Ron, if everyone accepted Christ as their Savior, then why worry so much about tribulation. He has said already, and Brenda posted it above, that He will NEVER leave us nor forsake us. That means He is with us until the end, no matter what is ahead.
            Too, if you think that Levi is always the oppressor, just go back a bit and check some of your older post. The first post I read from you, you and DCity were on my case about the rapture doctrine, because I don’t see it like you two do.

    • Levi says:

      Suez: Praise the Lord and good morning from India!

      At least you are right in saying that no body’s right.

      Let there be peace and love among His brethren.

  62. Ron Murphy says:

    Good question, Brenda. If washing of the blood is not grace then what is grace? So if they were washed in the blood during tribulation then what you say, Levi can not be right. Grace remaineth. And if the elect can do exploits, then the Holy Spirit remaineth, also.

    Dan 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

    • Levi says:

      Levi cannot be right Ron nor you can be nor Brenda. It is God who is always RIGHT. He is perfect. He is true and I am so proud of it. Let God be true and Levi, Ron, Brenda be liars.

      This is the problem with you and that is why you always feel the pinch because you always think that YOU ARE RIGHT. But when time comes you change and say that it is God. You are not consistent in your words. And when I point out these things in you, you feel oppressed and provoked.

      Now, even after digging the Scriptures you or Brenda did not find a single verse which talks of comfort, grace, mercy and so on. Again, that is your private interpretation and your own deductions of how you arrived to conclude that the grace of God is found in the book of revelation during the great tribulation period.

      My question is, when the words like grace, mercy, lovingkindness, consolation, comfort, forgiveness, compassion, love, goodness, gentleness, kindness, faith and as such are found so FREELY and ABUNDANTLY in other books then why not in revelation? None of it! These are the things which are most needed during this horrible time than at any other time in history of earth. These are the things which are abundantly and freely given to man after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The apostle John who spoke about love more than anybody else could not find this word to put in this book. Why? Did you get my question?

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Levi can you define what grace is?

        • Levi says:

          Good that you ask me that question. Here is what I have received to be the truth. I am not forcing on anybody to believe this.

          People generally get confused with these two things. The grace of God during a specific time and the Time of Grace itself.
          The grace of God was there during the old testament. It was only upon the chosen or elect. The grace of God was only through a high priest, who would bring the offerings of bulls and rams and then the people’s sins were forgiven. The cleansing was only carnal and not spiritual.

          But Now is the time of grace unto us. Our High Priest is the Lord Jesus Christ Himself and His offering is there on the altar and as long as His offering is there on the altar we find grace in His sight. Therefore the Lord said, let not your flight be on sabbath. On the day of Sabbath this sacrifice was not found on the altar. Jesus was not there on the cross. If you try to fly during this time, then it is impossible. Prepare yourself before the day of the sabbath begins. This is the time of grace. It is on everyone who believes. It is a common salvation given to man. This mystery was revealed through Paul to the gentiles.
          Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
          Ephesians 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

          It is impossible to please God by works. We cannot come even close to Him nor can we approach His throne by our works. No matter how strong you try to stand to lay your head to be slaughtered, it is by the grace of God alone the blood of Christ cleanses you and makes you worthy. So we need to line up ourselves to come under His grace before the Lord Jesus gets up from the seat of intercession. That is He is the High Priest doing the intercession for us.
          Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

          Once He rises up from this office of the High Priest to open the seals, the common grace is gone. The time of grace is over. He will have mercy on whom He will have mercy. It could be only to the elect. I do not want to take that risk. Why not prepare myself before He rises up from His place and comes to the Father to take the book and start opening the seals one by one.
          Ron, as you said, the people will be slaughtered, beheaded, killed during this horrible time. I am not sure how are they going to stand. Of course it could be by grace but it is not the common grace that we see today. Only the Jews could get this last chance. I hope I have made it clear what I have received is the meaning of grace.

          Now that whether you believe it or not, I am not going to push this on you. I know you have completely different theory and you are entitled to yours.

  63. Ron Murphy says:

    Mother of Harlots

    Jer 5:1 Run ye to and fro through the streets of Jerusalem,

    Jer 5:7 How shall I pardon thee for this? thy children have forsaken me, and sworn by them that are no gods: when I had fed them to the full, they then committed adultery, and assembled themselves by troops in the harlots’ houses.

  64. Ron Murphy says:

    Jer 9:11 And I will make Jerusalem heaps, and a den of dragons; and I will make the cities of Judah desolate, without an inhabitant.
    Jer 9:12 Who is the wise man, that may understand this? and who is he to whom the mouth of the LORD hath spoken, that he may declare it, for what the land perisheth and is burned up like a wilderness, that none passeth through?

    • Levi says:

      Let me heap up verses for you Ron which gives blessings to Jerusalem and Israel. Here we go:
      But one thing is sure, which shows your heart. You dislike Israel. No matter how you try to defend and say that I am wrong and call me a false witness, you prove yourself that you hate these chosen people. Not once you have blessed these people.

      Psalms 51:18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem.
      Psalms 68:29 Because of thy temple at Jerusalem shall kings bring presents unto thee.
      The cry of a prophet to God for His people
      Psalms 79:1 O God, the heathen are come into thine inheritance; thy holy temple have they defiled; they have laid Jerusalem on heaps.
      Psalms 79:2 The dead bodies of thy servants have they given to be meat unto the fowls of the heaven, the flesh of thy saints unto the beasts of the earth.
      Psalms 79:3 Their blood have they shed like water round about Jerusalem; and there was none to bury them.
      Psalms 79:4 We are become a reproach to our neighbours, a scorn and derision to them that are round about us.
      Psalms 79:5 How long, LORD? wilt thou be angry for ever? shall thy jealousy burn like fire?
      Psalms 79:6 Pour out thy wrath upon the heathen that have not known thee, and upon the kingdoms that have not called upon thy name.
      Psalms 79:7 For they have devoured Jacob, and laid waste his dwelling place.
      Psalms 79:8 O remember not against us former iniquities: let thy tender mercies speedily prevent us: for we are brought very low.
      Psalms 79:9 Help us, O God of our salvation, for the glory of thy name: and deliver us, and purge away our sins, for thy name’s sake.
      Psalms 79:10 Wherefore should the heathen say, Where is their God? let him be known among the heathen in our sight by the revenging of the blood of thy servants which is shed.
      Psalms 79:11 Let the sighing of the prisoner come before thee; according to the greatness of thy power preserve thou those that are appointed to die;
      Psalms 79:12 And render unto our neighbours sevenfold into their bosom their reproach, wherewith they have reproached thee, O Lord.
      Psalms 79:13 So we thy people and sheep of thy pasture will give thee thanks for ever: we will shew forth thy praise to all generations.

      Psalms 102:19 For he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary; from heaven did the LORD behold the earth;

      Psalms 102:20 To hear the groaning of the prisoner; to loose those that are appointed to death;
      Psalms 102:21 To declare the name of the LORD in Zion, and his praise in Jerusalem;
      Psalms 102:21 To declare the name of the LORD in Zion, and his praise in Jerusalem;

      Psalms 116:19 In the courts of the LORD’S house, in the midst of thee, O Jerusalem. Praise ye the LORD.
      Pray for the peace of Jerusalem
      Psalms 122:1 I was glad when they said unto me, Let us go into the house of the LORD.
      Psalms 122:2 Our feet shall stand within thy gates, O Jerusalem.
      Psalms 122:3 Jerusalem is builded as a city that is compact together:
      Psalms 122:4 Whither the tribes go up, the tribes of the LORD, unto the testimony of Israel, to give thanks unto the name of the LORD.
      Psalms 122:5 For there are set thrones of judgment, the thrones of the house of David.
      Psalms 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
      Psalms 122:7 Peace be within thy walls, and prosperity within thy palaces.
      Psalms 122:8 For my brethren and companions’ sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.
      Psalms 122:9 Because of the house of the LORD our God I will seek thy good.

      Psalms 125:1 They that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever.
      Psalms 125:2 As the mountains are round about Jerusalem, so the LORD is round about his people from henceforth even for ever.

      Psalms 128:5 The LORD shall bless thee out of Zion: and thou shalt see the good of Jerusalem all the days of thy life.
      Psalms 128:6 Yea, thou shalt see thy children’s children, and peace upon Israel.

      Psalms 135:19 Bless the LORD, O house of Israel: bless the LORD, O house of Aaron:
      Psalms 135:20 Bless the LORD, O house of Levi: ye that fear the LORD, bless the LORD.
      Psalms 135:21 Blessed be the LORD out of Zion, which dwelleth at Jerusalem. Praise ye the LORD.

      Psalms 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
      Psalms 137:2 We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.
      Psalms 137:3 For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion.
      Psalms 137:4 How shall we sing the LORD’S song in a strange land?
      Psalms 137:5 If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning.
      Psalms 137:6 If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.
      Psalms 137:7 Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.
      Psalms 137:8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
      Psalms 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

      Psalms 147:2 The LORD doth build up Jerusalem: he gathereth together the outcasts of Israel.

      Psalms 147:12 Praise the LORD, O Jerusalem; praise thy God, O Zion.
      Psalms 147:13 For he hath strengthened the bars of thy gates; he hath blessed thy children within thee.
      Psalms 147:14 He maketh peace in thy borders, and filleth thee with the finest of the wheat.

      Psalms 147:19 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.
      Psalms 147:20 He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.

      This is just from Psalms. Want more?

  65. Ron Murphy says:

    Jer 9:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will feed them, even this people, with wormwood, and give them water of gall to drink.
    Jer 9:16 I will scatter them also among the heathen, whom neither they nor their fathers have known: and I will send a sword after them, till I have consumed them.

  66. Ron Murphy says:

    Jer 11:12 Then shall the cities of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem go, and cry unto the gods unto whom they offer incense: but they shall not save them at all in the time of their trouble.
    Jer 11:14 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.

  67. Ron Murphy says:

    Jer 13:25 This is thy lot, the portion of thy measures from me, saith the LORD; because thou hast forgotten me, and trusted in falsehood.
    Jer 13:26 Therefore will I discover thy skirts upon thy face, that thy shame may appear.
    Jer 13:27 I have seen thine adulteries, and thy neighings, the lewdness of thy whoredom, and thine abominations on the hills in the fields. Woe unto thee, O Jerusalem! wilt thou not be made clean? when shall it once be?

  68. Ron Murphy says:

    Jer 30:18 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob’s tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.

  69. Ron Murphy says:

    Jer 30:24 The fierce anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.

  70. suez says:

    Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
    Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
    Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
    Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
    Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
    Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

  71. suez says:

    God brought them back to their land in 1948!! Praise God! But they for the most part of them will not come to Jesus comes. Just my humble opinion.

  72. Ron Murphy says:

    Jer 3:1 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man’s, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.
    Jer 3:2 Lift up thine eyes unto the high places, and see where thou hast not been lien with. In the ways hast thou sat for them, as the Arabian in the wilderness; and thou hast polluted the land with thy whoredoms and with thy wickedness.
    Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
    Jer 3:9 And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.
    Jer 3:10 And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD.
    Jer 3:11 And the LORD said unto me, The backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah.
    Jer 3:20 Surely as a wife treacherously departeth from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with me, O house of Israel, saith the LORD.

  73. Levi says:

    Jeremiah 3:22-23 Return, ye backsliding children, and I will heal your backslidings. Behold, we come unto thee; for thou art the LORD our God.
    Truly in vain is salvation hoped for from the hills, and from the multitude of mountains: truly in the LORD our God is the salvation of Israel.

  74. Levi says:

    Ron: surely you will not quote the mercy of God for Israel. In the same chapter just after two verses there is a plea for forgiveness and you didn’t even care to put them here. Why would you do that for Israel after all?
    Jeremiah 3:22-25 Return, ye backsliding children, and I will heal your backslidings. Behold, we come unto thee; for thou art the LORD our God.
    Truly in vain is salvation hoped for from the hills, and from the multitude of mountains: truly in the LORD our God is the salvation of Israel.
    For shame hath devoured the labour of our fathers from our youth; their flocks and their herds, their sons and their daughters.
    We lie down in our shame, and our confusion covereth us: for we have sinned against the LORD our God, we and our fathers, from our youth even unto this day, and have not obeyed the voice of the LORD our God.

  75. Levi says:

    Jeremiah 30:10-11, 15-17, 22 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
    For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.
    Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee.
    Therefore all they that devour thee shall be devoured; and all thine adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity; and they that spoil thee shall be a spoil, and all that prey upon thee will I give for a prey.
    For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the LORD; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.
    And ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

  76. Levi says:

    Hosea 14:1-2, 4-9 O Israel, return unto the LORD thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity.
    Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.
    I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.
    I will be as the dew unto Israel: he shall grow as the lily, and cast forth his roots as Lebanon.
    His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree, and his smell as Lebanon.
    They that dwell under his shadow shall return; they shall revive as the corn, and grow as the vine: the scent thereof shall be as the wine of Lebanon.
    Ephraim shall say, What have I to do any more with idols? I have heard him, and observed him: I am like a green fir tree. From me is thy fruit found.
    Who is wise, and he shall understand these things? prudent, and he shall know them? for the ways of the LORD are right, and the just shall walk in them: but the transgressors shall fall therein.

  77. Ron Murphy says:

    Well, I figured most people would already know God’s mercy endureth forever. That is a given to most, at least here in America anyway, Levi. Now the part I was trying to make a point of, was God’s great displeasure with His people Israel, and why they are in the shape they are in, without a Messiah. It is because of there fornication that she has become the Harlot. It is her rejection of her true Messiah that has caused her to turn to abomination. You see, brother, Israel will take another Messiah, this is understood by all. But what is missing, is that in doing so, God’s anger at her has caused Him to give her up for the most part, to the devil to fulfill His will. And that is why she will be the harlot of Revelation. But even in this, He has promised her a remnant. The chosen 144000. They will be a superior race upon the earth as God had intended for them in the first place, Praise God , He will return to his people, as He has willed, and all the blessings of Abraham are restored. What a day to be a Jew! They shall be an honored people, indeed. They will have their promised Messiah, at last. To be a Jew will be the envy of the world.

  78. Ron Murphy says:

    Zec 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.
    Why would God say this if He had not forsake them in the first place?

  79. Ron Murphy says:

    Sue, did you know only two cities in the world are built on 7 hills? These 2 cities were around in Johns time and both were called the city of 7 hills. One was natural, the other was man made.

    Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

  80. Ron Murphy says:

    Jer 7:29 Cut off thine hair, O Jerusalem, and cast it away, and take up a lamentation on high places; for the LORD hath rejected and forsaken the generation of his wrath.

    Jer 7:30 For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the LORD: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it.

    Jer 7:32 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be called Tophet, nor the valley of the son of Hinnom, but the valley of slaughter: for they shall bury in Tophet, till there be no place.

    Jer 7:32 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be called Tophet, nor the valley of the son of Hinnom, but the valley of slaughter: for they shall bury in Tophet, till there be no place.

    Jer 7:33 And the carcases of this people shall be meat for the fowls of the heaven, and for the beasts of the earth; and none shall fray them away.

  81. Levi says:

    WARNING::: The post is going to be a long one, so please bear with me.

    What I am going to write is very typical and majority will disagree with it. I do not mind though. As far as putting here on this forum is concerned, it is just MY opinion but personally, I believe it wholeheartedly that it is from the Lord. The Lord revealed it to me less than an hour ago.
    Ron and Tracy asked me few questions. The questions were, MAYBE, not because they didn’t know the answers but because they wanted to know MY answers.

    I had honestly told them that I did not know the answers but the Lord would reveal it in due time. Didn’t I Ron? Now He did it. Praises to the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ for His Holy Spirit in me.

    Thanks to Ron who stirred me up so much that I did not have proper sleep until the Lord brought me to the bottom of it.

    Thanks to Tracy who asked such little questions which literally had my mind spinning.

    This is entirely based on pre-tribulation rapture. I am now in strong belief that once the Church is taken away from this earth, all that are left to be saved are the Jews. The Jews after crucifying the only begotten Son of God have suffered a lot. These 2000 years have been like hell on earth for them.

    We have 144k who will be saved during the tribulation period. The elect, the sealed ones. They were not defiled with women and were virgins meaning they were all men. They will follow the Lamb everywhere. These were redeemed from among men as firstfruits,

    Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

    There are lots of questions I had in mind:
    1) Why they were called firstfruits? (Tracy’s question to me)
    Answer: Tracy gave me a hint that there should be ‘another’ harvest for these 144k to be the firstfruits. These 144k were purchased or redeemed from among men and were offered as firstfruits unto God and the Lamb and that is the reason we see them with the Lamb always. So if these are the firstfruits, what happened to the rest of the harvest? This harvest is found in Rev 14:15-16. But who are they? I kept thinking they were the gentiles. But they aren’t the gentiles but they are all Jews. The salvation is of the Jews. Once the time of gentiles is over, the salvation goes back to the Jews. They will be witnessed by the two witnesses, I believe it is Moses and Elijah. The reason? Moses-because he is the one who gave the Jews the law and he is the one who prophesied about Jews and today’s Jews still wait on this prophecy to be fulfilled. Secondly, Moses was in the NT too, who witnessed the NT when he was with Jesus during transfiguration. So this Moses will go and tell the Jews “Look, I am the one who gave you the law. The Lord helped me to bring your fathers out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand. I am the one who prophesied about Jesus, the Son of God whom your fathers killed and I was the one who came to speak to Him about His death. I am the one who heard my God and your God speak from heaven-this is my beloved Son, hear ye Him.”
    Elijah – Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
    Malachi 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
    Elijah who is one of the two prophets will accomplish the commission given to him. He is also one of the men who witnessed Jesus in the NT when He was transfigured. And Jews are waiting for Elijah to appear as well.

    The Jews (not all) will certainly hear these two witnesses because their eyes will be open. Apart from 144k, the rest of the Jews who would be saved are men, women and children. This will be exodus for second time and one last time. Many will be killed. Today’s Jews population around the world is 20 million. Even if 10% of them are saved it is 2 million and yet it is not a small number.

    2) Who are the people who the Lord will come to harvest in Rev 14? (Ron’s question to me)
    Answer: It would be the other Jews across the world than the 144k. There will be ones who are killed who are standing before the throne of God and the living will be taken away. Like two would be sleeping and one taken and the other left.

    I know it is very hard to accept the knowledge that there will be no gentiles saved during the tribulation period. The similar situation was there before Christ came on the earth. Salvation was of the Jews alone. No one could even know who the God of Israel was. So shall it be again in the last days.

    This is open for discussion. I could have questions and you could have questions about this. But right now this is what I have got which I think settles about the people who would be saved during the great tribulation.

    God bless you all and may He reveal this by His mercy.

  82. Levi says:

    I know I have to read the whole Bible in this new light.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Yes, Brother that would be highly recommended. Maybe this will help some.

      Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
      Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

      Please note the time of the Gentiles correlates with Luke 21:24

      Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
      Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
      Luk 21:26 Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
      Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
      Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

      You see, Luke 21:24 is the trib period, 3 1/2 years, or 42 months, or 1260 days, either way. But the point here is the timing of the gentile fulfillment. It is after the treading of the Holy City.

      Luke 21:25 are the signs of rapture.
      Luke 21:26 correlates with Rev. 6:12-17 in fear of what was coming on the earth they run to the rocks and the mountains.
      Luke21:27 is the rapture. Luke21:28 is referring to Luke 21:25.

      The treading of the city signifies the beginning of tribulation.
      Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
      Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
      Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

      • Levi says:

        Now John was given this work to do. He did in real time, that is the time when he had this vision. And for you see Jerusalem is trodden since that time even till this present time.

        Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
        Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

  83. Ron Murphy says:

    The fulfillment of the gentiles is at the end of 3 1/2 year tribulation period, according to these scriptures. Study them carefully.

  84. Levi says:

    You theory contradicts everything so I cannot even think of it. ‘This new light’ means the dispensation of the Judgement.

  85. suez says:

    No one commented on this. Just wanted you to read it and comment. But I know you were both into your own debate then, so I will post it again. LOL #109 written by suez
    about 22 hours ago

    The Abomination of Desolation, may already be there. Isn’t the dome of the rock a Muslim temple??? And It shall sit!! “Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where IT ought not, let (him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains:”
    Num 14:34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise. Eze 4:5 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.
    Eze 4:6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year. “A day for a year. “Here in the two places it appears in the Bible the Lord shows Daniel that in His eyes , one day is equal to one year. ONE DAY= ONE YEAR. Ezekiel was a prophet, so one prophetic day would also equal one year. Not a new concept. With this new day=year, unit of measure applied to his prophecy, Daniel could understand. He remembered when the regular evening and morning sacrifices were abolished in 583BC. He looked from 583 BC. down 1290 Hebrew years into the future. He saw an unbelievable abomination was going to trespass on the temple mount. One that would make it desolate. And abomination that would defile it beyond belief, and prevent all future sacrifices. What could that terrible thing be? That Daniel could not know: 1290 Hebrew years (1271.5 solar years) after 583 BC. is 688.5 AD and that is exactly 1290 Hebrew years after sacrifices were abolished. From 685AD to 705 AD, Abd el Malik built the Done of the Rock, a memorial to Mohammed, on the temple mount!!! Thus, now we have a positive identification: THE DOME OF THE ROCK is the Abomination which maketh Desolate! ” This isn’t my concept, but I quoted this out of a book I am reading. I think it is very interesting. I am not saying I believe it or not believe it, but I find it extremely interesting anyway. What say ye??? LOL :)

  86. 2Co 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
    2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
    2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

    • Tracy says:

      Brenda,
      In all honesty, that could mean that post-tribbers are teaching false doctrine. It’s just the way a person interprets the scriptures.
      There is a difference in the rapture and the second coming of Jesus Christ.
      2Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Who are you implying this to be?
      Just think on it.
      God Bless

      • Oh, Hi, Tracy,
        I have thought on it, you should, too.
        My fight is not with you, or Levi, or anyone else on here.
        I love you guys. May God bless you and open your hearts to the truth.
        My fight is with satan, and always will be. That is why I was born, to spread the Word of God, especially in these last days.
        Praise the Lord!
        Everyone can make up their own minds, about what we teach, so let them.
        Be it yours, or ours. Isn’t it wonderful that we can have this forum to discuss these things pertaining to the last days of which we are in?
        Thank you, NTEB!

        • Tracy says:

          Hi Brenda,
          I honestly can’t believe this verse just popped in you mind at this time. I read it like you were referring to Levi.
          So, next time, maybe you need to clarify. Secondly, this is not the only time this has occurred. So lets be honest.
          And too, I haven’t been looking for an angel of light that might be Satan; I’m looking for the Blessed Hope that we have been promised– for those who diligently seek Him and keep His Word.
          God Bless You Brenda.

      • Levi says:

        Tracy,

        Do not worry. That particular verse is for them. They are the ones who want to believe Him by seeing. But for us the event is aural.
        The Lord Himself shall descend with a shout (aural), with a voice (aural) of an archangel and with a trump (aural) of God.

        • Tracy says:

          Levi,
          This goes along with what you wrote above: Matthew 24:3 Tell us, when shall these things be, and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world.”
          So, Jesus was sitting upon the Mt. of Olives discussing this with His disciples about the events that are to precede His coming “at the end.” Note: His audience was to the JEWS, not to the CHURCH. He spoke of tribulation events from the perspective of those who WILL go thru it. These events described are all somewhere in and around Jerusalem. Therefore, it WASN’T the CHURCH that asked Jesus “what will be the sign of Thy coming and the end of the world.” It was His disciples (all of whom were JEWS) who asked the question. The CHURCH had not yet been born at Pentecost. Jesus had NOT risen, and the Comforter had NOT yet come. So, isn’t this description of the last days consistent with the details Jesus gave to John the Revelator when He described the tribulation as John recorded in Revelation. Also, again, notice, Jesus addresses the CHURCH in the first three chapters of Revelation. It is to the CHURCH that He makes this promise, Rev. 3:10 “Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.” NOTICE: Nowhere does He mention the mark of the beast, so Jesus is talking about the CHURCH, not a mark. Nothing had even been mentioned about the mark of the beast in those scriptures.
          Levi, the truth will hold.
          God Bless

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Tracy, just think for a minute, Jesus was talking to just any Jew, He was talking to His disciples, the twelve. Did He not know they would take the Gospel to all the world? This was told near the end of his days on earth. He knew the Jews would reject him. And the first question they asked Him was when shall these things be? So what things was they asking about?

            Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

            This is clearly going to happen at God’s wrath.

            Nothing was written of the mark of the beast in Matt. 24? Just what kind of logic is that? Many thing are not written. But the wrath of God was spoken of, and we know that was after tribulation and the mark of beast.

          • Tracy says:

            Ron,
            You misunderstood, I wasn’t saying that Matthew 24:2 mentioned a thing about the mark of the beast. I said He was addressing JEWS and then I quoted Revelation 3:10 to show that Jesus was addressing the CHURCH; and, in one of your earlier post you stated: “the hour of temptation was the “mark of the beast.” (helping to keep us from taking the mark). Therefore, I said that He is talking about the CHURCH, not the mark of the beast like you had stated in an earlier post. Nothing had been mentioned about the “mark”, it was the Church He was talking about.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            When Jesus spoke this to the church in Asia the mark of the beast hadn’t been described as of yet.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        She is referring it to be satan, and that he can deceive people. There is a difference between rapture and His second coming. But they are linked together. Even you understand that much. We will be upon the sea of glass. And we will return with him as He returns to earth. That is common ground for us both.

        • Tracy says:

          Ron,
          Please don’t take me for a dummy, you and I both know what she meant about Satan and an angel of light. I know what I read; so let’s don’t even go there. However, we should all be honest here. That’s why I don’t trust a lot of people; therefore, their guidance doesn’t go very far with me.
          I understand a lot more that you think I do. So, nothing gained again regarding the Rapture doctrine.
          You do re-arrange the Book of Revelation to try and make it suit what you need. Just last night I was studying about the harlot of Revelation, and more than once, it was implied that you would have to literally change some of the written word in the Old Testament in order for Jerusalem to be the harlot of Revelation. And, we know that we do NOT ADD, nor DELETE anything that is written in the Bible.
          Ron, we just need to think on Habakkuk 2:3. (wait and see) I’ll will be so happy to be caught up in the air before the tribulation; but if for some reason, it happens after tribulation, I know that our Lord and Savior will give us the strength to overcome and enter into His Kingdom.
          God Bless

          • suez says:

            “Hab 2:3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.” Good points Tracy. I agree with you. I keep saying,,,maybe it hasn’t all been opened up as of yet. But when it happens, then we will know!! If the Lord comes before, how wonderful that will be. If he tarries into the Tribulation, then He will see us through it!!! No matter, he is coming, and I am waiting and looking for his coming. Sometimes the more I learn, the more confused I get…God help us all to come to a understanding of HIS TRUTH!! God Bless you sister!! :)

          • Tracy says:

            Amen! Suez
            That’s exactly the way I see it for God is in control of all things. Events will happen as He planned.
            God Bless

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Tracy according to your precious prophet, If you go through tribulation you can’t be saved. We are all doomed. Now do you trust him or not.

        • suez says:

          Ron said to Tracy,,, ” Even you understand that much.” Yikes Ron, that was a slap in the face for Tracy. Kinda rude, there bro. :(

          • Tracy says:

            Suez,
            That is exactly what I’ve been seeing from Ron the entire time. He doesn’t approach his doctrine with a kind, gentle God-given Spirit. That’s why I have said that Ron is full of PRIDE. It appears he is going to MAKE us see it his way, and that won’t happen unless God changes Ron’s attitude.
            Sorry Ron, you might dislike me, but I do speak the truth.
            God Bless You Anyway

          • Ron Murphy says:

            That was never my intention , My intention is to tell the truth and let people make up their own mind. You have opposed my every step of that way.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            I like you Tracy, always have, But you speak lies also. You have no idea, how to judge me or to even know if I’m prideful or not. You had better leave the judging up to God. You can get into a lot of trouble judging others, unrighteously.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            I mean every letter of it, Sue. You have no understanding of what these 3 have come against me in the past. You can not judge a righteous judgment. Debra knows what these have done. She has been there every step. She could judge righteously. They have come against my teaching from the time I started in Late March. They set out to conspire against D City and I for a long time. I will not let them control the rights to teach that which God has given me. They don’t have that right to push me off this site as they have tried so hard to do. God’s will be done.

  87. suez says:

    Why doesn’t anyone bring up this one: 1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
    1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
    1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
    1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
    Last Trump there means (farthest one out) (end one) So if this Trump is written in the New Testament, to me it would not be a old testament trump like so many seem to want to say. The last trump is in Rev. After the first 6 trumps. So please explain that one to me, I would like to know! :)

    • Levi says:

      Suez: How did Paul know that the last trump is the Seventh Trumpet of the book of revelation?

      However, I don’t see any such thing happening at the sound of the seventh angel. The much awaited great event is not even mentioned at the seventh trumpet?

      Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
      Revelation 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
      Revelation 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
      Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
      Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

      • suez says:

        With all due respect, Paul didn’t know who the anti-Christ was either, but he knew their would be one! :) God didn’t always tell them all the details either! JMHO :) Just to let you know, I am not a die hard post tribber. I am still studying all the angles. But I do see a lot of scriptures, that just do not jell with the pre-trib anymore. I used to be 100% pre-trib, due to being taught that way. But, as I read the word on my own, the Lord has shown me some different things. Bless You!! :) I know this, that no matter when it happens, it’s going to happen, and that is my blessed hope, that Jesus will come for his church! So until that happens, I pray he gives me strength to stand firm, no matter what!! Plus, to be a witness to others and to warn them, as I do believe all of us are BORN to do, if we are the Lords!! LOL

        • Yes, we are born to spread the Word, Suez, if we are born again! Isn’t it so important, especially now, seeing that it is the last days? I am so enjoying this discussion time, here, on this blog.
          I know it is a blessing to others, as well.
          God bless all the brethren in Christ, with love, peace, and understanding. Amen.

          Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
          Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
          Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
          Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
          Jud 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

        • Tracy says:

          Suez,
          I’m not 100% on my view either. But, like you said in one of your earlier post, people should say “this is my opinion.” Not imply that we have been sent a strong delusion, afraid, etc. because accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior is what will get us into God’s Kingdom.
          How do we even know that the U.S. will be here in end times? I’m not even sure about that. There are way too many questions for some to continually push their doctrine.
          God Bless

          • suez says:

            Amen Tracy, I see we are like minded! We don’t know what all is in store for us in the U.S. that is why it is so important to tell others about Jesus, and Pray. I don’t know what is going to happen, except, I do know I am God’s child and he is coming for his Children! Praise God! That I do know! All the rest, I am praying about. :)

          • Tracy says:

            Amen, my thoughts exactly.
            I feel there are way too many people that don’t understand salvation, and just because they have their name on a church roll, they think everything is just fine. I know some of these people. And, even though, we know that current events and prophecy are matching-up, we, honestly, don’t know how much time we have to help these people.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      The 7trumps of wrath referred to in Rev. were not connected in any way to the trump Paul spoke of. Paul spoke of the trumpet of Matt. 24:31. This trump of Paul’s referral , though not mentioned in Rev. 6:12, is just before the wrath. Connect Mat. 24:29 with Rev. 6:12. I wouldn’t believe it’s the last trump in God’s kingdom. So why would we want to tie Paul’s trump with wrath trumpets. Paul was saying the last trump because it’s all over for the saints, it’s home time ,now. And as Levi says, How did Paul know about the 7 trumpet of wrath? Revelation was written long after his death.

      • suez says:

        Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
        Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
        Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
        Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw UNDER THE ALTER the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
        Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
        Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that SHOULD BE KILLED AS THEY WERE, should be fulfilled.” Humm
        “Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
        Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
        Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
        Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
        Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
        Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
        “Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.” If find this scripture very interesting, since before the saints were under the throne. Now they are on top the sea of glass. BIG difference!! I don’t claim to understand it all, but I find these scriptures interesting, and don’t see much difference in the trumps of Paul and the ones, in Rev. My opinion only!! :) And NO, I am not looking for a martyrs crown. I certainly hope it is Pre-trib!!

        • Ron Murphy says:

          This bunch under the altar are the slain before the rapture they had to wait remember. The ones on the sea of glass are these and trib saints, preparing to come back with Jesus to rule the earth.

          • suez says:

            Of coarse I “remember” I can read Ron!!! Just to let you know. I do know a few things also. I’ve been reading the word for 38 years! Your not the “ONLY” one who reads. Maybe it is comments like this that one, that makes people irritated with you. It does make you come off as a know it all, and that your refereeing no one else see’s it! I don’t disagree with you on everything. But I don’t agree with you on everything either. How could I , as no man knows it all, in my opinion! We are all still growing and learning. And if we come to a point that we think we ‘got it all” and no one else knows anything, then it’s time to scrap it all, and start over!! Just my humble opinion! :)

          • Ron Murphy says:

            You take to much offence of things, Sue, you need to lighten up a little.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            All I was asking was that you hold that memory. I can talk to you as long as you are on the offence.

  88. Levi says:

    Tracy: Exactly. Another point is that nowhere have I read Paul telling us about the tribulation times or describing them just as Jesus doing it. As the post tribbers put it that the falling away would be so immense just because we believe that the church would be raptured before the tribulation, and if that were true then Paul would have definitely mentioned about how the Church would undergo suffering during thus period; but amazingly we find Jesus mentioning it so clearly.

    • suez says:

      The falling away is happening right now!!! Look at the churches turning to the New Age ideologies!! They are taking Jesus out of everything. But they are replacing him with another jesus, another spirit and another gospel. Wake up Church!!! Look at the Christians going away from the Bible, reading all the New Age versions. It is happening now, and it will keep happening until Jesus comes, in my humble opinion!

      • Tracy says:

        I agree that the falling away has been happening for several years now; and, will continue to get worse as we approach end times.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Paul lived it.

    • Tracy says:

      Levi and Suez,
      Read these verses: Col. 1:24 Body of Christ
      Eph. 5:23 Jesus is the Head of All
      1 John 2:6 We are to obey Him
      Heb. 12:23 I believe he is talking
      about the firstfruits, His Church
      Might be wrong, but if you have time, please check it out.

      • suez says:

        Amen Tracy! this is a GREAT one also::: Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
        Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
        Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
        Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. If we are in Christ, we are all one Body. So when Jesus was talking to the disciples about warning them of future events, he was talking to all of his Body!! What kind of a Savior would he be to not warn his Church! He warns us all through his word about the now and the future events! Even in Math. 24!!! :)

  89. suez says:

    Amen tracy!

  90. suez says:

    Yes. Amen!

  91. Levi says:

    Suez: Good to know about you and what you believe in. I understand the pre tribulation doctrine is not clearly mentioned in the Bible but again is the post tribulation rapture. Though the words like ‘immediately after the tribulation…..’ and so on can appear to be very strong, but when you read the complete verse and to whom it was written the things start becoming clear to you. Anyway, that is between you and God. :)
    Yes, about the Antichrist, he didn’t know who he was but he knew there would be one through scriptures from the book of Daniel.

    As for me, I have never been to any church nor to any Bible college. I have only since a few years have been on the internet regularly. I hardly read any books because the way God is portrayed in them is beyond my comprehension. Some find God as a playing toy while some find Him as a fire spitting destroyer. I don’t say everybody is like that but I am just not into books. I am just trying to let you know that it is not by somebody’s teaching I am following this doctrine but the Lord Himself has been leading me and answering me my questions. The only thing I shouldn’t do is doubt.

    Yes, you are right Suez that we need to focus on Him to overcome his world. Preach the gospel all the time and if necessary use words. :)

    • suez says:

      Amen Levi. don’t feel bad your not in any Church. That is a dangerous place to be now-days. Although before anyone comes down on me,,,lol, I know there are a few out there that try and preach the truth., as they know it anyway. So much evil and corruption in the churches now. Yes, stay in the Word, it is the best place to be. But comparing scripture in places like this too, is good. As sometimes someone else may have seen something we may have missed. We have to stick together as a body. A body is made up of many members, not just one part! It would be a ugly body that only had one member!! :)

    • suez says:

      Yes, Levi, it is between us and God for everyone! :)

  92. Levi says:

    Suez: I agree with you that the falling away is happening right now but is it happening just because they believe in a pre trib rapture? I don’t know what doctrine they hold as far as the timing if the rapture is concerned. This falling away has been happening since Paul’s time. He himself has mentioned in his epistles of a couple of people falling away. But just before the Antichrist’s appearing the falling away would be in a grand scale. They would become as good as blasphemers. The end time falling away would be appalling; cannot be in comparison with any time in history. The same goes with every thing. The pain, persecution and suffering; though the world has seen this since the time of Christ, the time would be more horrible than at any other time as I do not find the grace of God during this time. I cannot even imagine of the sufferings that one has to go through and that too without His grace. We can see a glimpse in the Holocaust. The Jews have always learnt a hard way. Time of grace is up for the gentiles. The sun has set.

    • suez says:

      Just a thought as I was reading the Word today. Could that falling away also or maybe meant Satan falling from the Heavens to the earth…? “”Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. ” “2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;” It wasn’t until the falling away, that the man of sin was reveled!!! Just a thought!! :)

    • suez says:

      I believe the falling away are those that claim to be Christian, but are really not. Just like in Rev. it says they say they are Jews, but are not. Many people say they are christians, but they are not!! They have a head knowledge, but not a heart knowledge! They have never really fallen in Love with Jesus the Savior and Lord. I don’t believe a truly Born Again Christian will fall. Otherwise why would the Lord had said: 2 Thes. 3:3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall establish you and KEEP you from evil. :Jude 1:24 Now unto him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory, with exceeding joy! “John 10:25 No man is able to pluck my sheep out of my hand!” “Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
      Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
      Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” there are more, but this gives you some Idea!!! Just my opinion, praise his Holy Name!!

    • suez says:

      No Levi, the falling away has nothing, in my opinion to do with the Pre-trib doctrine. It has everything to do with turning from Christ on the Cross, and going after doctrines of devils! Listening to preachers with itching ears, feeding their flocks the prosperity doctrines, and the doctrines that leave out repentance from our sins, and trying to the best of our ability with the Holy Spirits help to live a life of Holiness! They are preaching a jesus without repentance, salvation without the blood, experiences without the HOLY Spirit, and another gospel completely. My heart breaks for them, especially the young people who have no firm foundation to stand upon! They are being lead down the wide road to hell, if they don’t wake up. So very sad!

  93. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev 11:2 for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

    This is the whole complete tribulation period, 42 months of it.
    How do we know this?

    Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
    Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
    Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation,

    So, Jesus said the desolation is the beginning of tribulation

    Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
    Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains;
    Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

    So, Here we see Him saying it again.
    The armies compassing Jerusalem, Trodding it down, at the time of the Tribulation period. For Matthew and luke spoke of this time that , the Compassing and the desolation is going on together at the same time.
    So if Tribulation begins at this time according to Matt.24:21. That means The gentiles will tread the holy city under foot for 42 month according to Rev. 11:2, from the time they start at the beginning of tribulation,
    this will equal 3 1/2 years until the fullfilment of the gentiles.

    To make this easier, let me explain it this way.

    Tribulation= 42 month= Jerusalem trodden down= compassed about with armies= abonimation of desolation= 3 1/2 years=2 prophets prophesing= tribulation =42 month=Jerusalem trodden down= compassed about with armies, and etc.

  94. Ron Murphy says:

    Levi, you are contradicting God’s word by saying the fulfillment of the Gentiles happens before tribulation. the verses I posted here shows that very clearly if you will study them. God open you eyes, in the name of Jesus. The fulfillment of the Gentiles happens after tribulation and that is what Jesus and John said.

  95. Ron: Your buddy is back, ZION!

  96. Ron: Now we can discussed UFO’s and how they connect with Scripture with ZION! LOL

  97. Ron: Can you explain these two verses to me, in John 3:13 no one has ascended to heaven by He who came down from heaven Son of man.

    Then in, 2 Kings 2:11 Elijah went up by a whirlwind to heaven.

    So where did Elijah really go?

  98. Levi: each day, I get about 10 emails stating how I can make millions if I would invest and today 2 companies want me to invest in there Christian programs. We must be getting close going home, because greed is in full bloom?

  99. Ron Murphy says:

    If you go back to verse John 3:5 you will see Christ talking about His new covenant. Being born of Spirit, you have to be born of Spirit to enter into heaven. Jesus was talking about no man ascended up as of yet under that covenant, but He would be first to do so. For he said but the Son of man which is in heaven, talking about His future resurrection.
    The word” Hath” is the key to understanding this. Hath means has yet. So He was saying no man has yet ascended, under His new covenant.

  100. Levi says:

    Suez: great understanding about falling away and you are right in saying that it happens among those christians who are not really Christians. But again, just a thought. Why would the Bible say they would fall if they are not saved to begin with? But yes, it could be that these people call themselves Christians but God does not call them so. Just like the church of Laodecia. They thought they were rich but they were poor, wretched, naked and blind. I want the Lord to give me the certificate of fullness not myself or any man. :)

    • suez says:

      I believe they are even deceived in their own minds. Just like this verse says: “Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
      Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
      Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
      Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
      Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
      Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” By this they truly thought they were Christians. But their works or fruits, proved otherwise. May God make us wise servants!!!!

  101. Levi says:

    Ron: about the fulness of the times of gentiles, first we need to understand what it really means. Does it mean a gentile church or the domination of be gentiles.through their abundance, which is fullness? I have kept it before the Lord and I am waiting for His answer. I know He will answer but I need to be patient. Sometimes He may not answer for years or decades. This has been my experience with Him. Thanks be to God who gives us wisdom and understanding and not only knowledge.

    I am also seeing that the treading of the holy city is done since many years and not just for 42 months.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      They have been treading ,yes, brother, but their is coming a time that the antichrist wil be in Jerusalem with a mighty army.

      Dan 11:22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.

      Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

      Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

      So you see, brother this is not as times before. Compassed with armies, means surrounded with armies.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Levi, If I was a pretribber, I would say what you are saying could not be true, that the Jews only will be saved in tribulation and that what you say about the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled is before trib. But I can not argue with you on the fulfilling of the Gentile and that only Jews will be saved after it is fulfilled, because that is what I see in Post trib view. All this does take place after tribulation, the fulfillment of the gentiles, and the saving of the Jews. That is Jesus’ purpose to come and rescue the 144000. That will take place with the battle of Armageddon.

      • suez says:

        Anyone…..Just a question, because I am not sure myself. The verses that deal with this: “Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. ” Does this means at that time, people can still choose the Lord?? Or is it already to late for all of them. I suppose most will have the mark, but will all? I don’t know, the Jews won’t I don’t think, but aren’t there Gentiles living with the Jews in Israel? I always wondered what that meant. Of coarse we know that there will be Jews and Gentiles there in that valley. If you have a good answer, please share, because I am stumped on this one. thanks

        • Ron Murphy says:

          There are many ways to interpret that passage. So let look else where for the answer to it. Levi said it’s just the Jews in white raiment, Jesus states in Rev. 16:15 =

          Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
          Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

          now if this be the case that it was Jews only that received the white raiment, Then why was Jesus saying this to the Gentile church of Laodiceans?

          Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

          Daniel also spoke of this shame.

          Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

          Also the bride was arrayed in white. Now most would say we are the bride just because of this verse alone. But I read it a little different because of other verses, I take it that the raiment of the bride itself is the people in her. The bride being the new Jerusalem, according to Rev. 21:2,9,10.

          Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
          Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

          I understand from different scripture that Israel will be saved at the last of tribulation, and they will not be raptured at all. That is why they are sealed to protect them from the wrath of God, because they will be right hear when it happens. The 144000 will not be changed either. They will keep having children as do the other nations of the world. You need to read Jer. 30 & 31. Jer. 30:20 states their children. Zech 8: 5=

          Zec 8:3 Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts the holy mountain.
          Zec 8:4 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; There shall yet old men and old women dwell in the streets of Jerusalem, and every man with his staff in his hand for very age.
          Zec 8:5 And the streets of the city shall be full of boys and girls playing in the streets thereof.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Will the Gentiles be saved in the 1000 year reign? Maybe.

            Mic 4:1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
            Mic 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

          • Levi says:

            Ron: Thank you for inviting me by calling out my name :)

            Now you have a problem. When you have the order of the book of Revelation completely changed then it is so easy for you to fit them all as per your requirement. Read this to know why I am telling this again.

            Revelation 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
            Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
            Revelation 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
            Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
            Revelation 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

            Do you see the order? They are at the near end of the vials judgment. You say that no one lives during the wrath or may be only the 144k. Or you are going to pick up these two verses, 15 & 16 and place them somewhere, where it suits you. Lol.

            So according to you, anybody who wears white linen will go through tribulation. Yeah, these seven angels also had to go through tribulation and they won the white raiment reward, right?

            Revelation 15:6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

            This is about the judgment day
            Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

            Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
            Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
            Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
            Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
            Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

            Now the 144K are the only sealed during the tribulation and no body else. The rest of the Jews will have to go through pain and suffering of the tribulation. Many will be killed.

            144K will have children???? :-o (~shaking my head??~) I thought they were virgins, who were not defiled with women. Will they marry after the tribulation? I don’t find this anywhere in the Bible “Immediately after the tribulation, ………the One hundred forty and four thousand married and lived happily ever after having children” :) Lol.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Go ahead Levi, Laught at God’s word.
            So you deny Zech 8:3-5. Amazing. For one thing the 144000 are not the virgins as you assume. Neither are they the first fruits, but I’ve said that Many Many times already, you are the one who keeps changing that around on me. A sign of a false prophet. Now why do you change my teaching, I myself would consider that a lie. I would never do that intentionally, even if I did disagree with some one. It’s really funny how you laugh at me because you believe a certain way and because I don’t agree, you change my beliefs to your view and make them look silly. You don’t hid from me , Levi. I see right what you are.

          • Levi says:

            Let us see who is denying here.

            Ron said For one thing the 144000 are not the virgins as you assume. Neither are they the first fruits, but I’ve said that Many Many times already,
            Let us see the Word of God:

            Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

            And who is denying the word of God now? And now you call me a false prophet. I told you, you can call me anything, that will not make me anything. Neither a true prophet or a false one. I am neither puffed up or discouraged by what you call me. I just dust off bot your curses and your blessings. You are just hurting yourself. It will also hurt both your spiritual health and carnal health.

            No, Ron, you haven’t seen me yet what I am. You want to know who I am?

            I am a dead man. I don’t live. It is just flesh which is living and that too for more sometime and it will just perish. Be careful Ron.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Levi, It can be taken either way it is not clear, to which is referred to, I can not really say you are right or wrong. There are two groups of people here in this passage it could go for either one. I find it difficult to believe it being the 144000, because of Paul referencing the firstfruits as being dead. The 144000 had not died as yet, but the ones in heaven had. Both were redeemed. I believe these virgins are the ones in heaven and they are virgins because they had not been defiled in idolatry. I can see why you would think that this is just one group here. But read it as if it was two. Maybe you will see why I believe, what I do.

          • Levi says:

            Yes, there are two groups of people. One is in the heaven but they are not 144k and the other group is 144k, who are virgins, who were not defiled with women and being firstfruits unto God and Lamb, they are redeemed from among men.

            See this is what I believe (Not necessary that you should also believe this):
            What is common among Jesus and the 144k being the firstfruits.

            They are males:
            Exodus 13:12 That thou shalt set apart unto the LORD all that openeth the matrix, and every firstling that cometh of a beast which thou hast; the males shall be the LORD’S.
            Deuteronomy 15:19 All the firstling males that come of thy herd and of thy flock thou shalt sanctify unto the LORD thy God: thou shalt do no work with the firstling of thy bullock, nor shear the firstling of thy sheep.

            They are virgins, unblemished, undefiled.
            Exodus 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:

            They are firstfruits:
            Exodus 13:12 That thou shalt set apart unto the LORD all that openeth the matrix, and every firstling that cometh of a beast which thou hast; the males shall be the LORD’S.
            Firstling = firstfruits

            Again this is my belief and according to the interpretation I have received. Not necessary that you should also follow me in this.

            The Barley Harvest, saved by grace (Christians & converted Jews + OT saints) = Christ is the firstfruits.

            If you have anything to correct me here, you can Ron.
            The Wheat Harvest, saved during the tribulation (the Jews) = 144k the firstfruits
            This is why we have wheats and tares in Mat 13, that is why we have wheat in Mat 3:12. The Lord is very careful of using even the types in each and every parable.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.
            Now this is the 14000 on the earth on mount Zion. We have not heard of a mountian in heaven. This matches Rev. 7:4. Here they finally accept Jesus as their Messiah

            Rev 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
            This group is in heaven a totally different group than the 144000 on mount zion. They sing a new song that only the 144000 can learn upon the earth, that were redeemed.

            Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
            Now what i’d like to know if these 144000 are already chosen, who are these in verse :

            Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
            Doesn’t make sense if this is more Jews.

            Zep 1:12 And it shall come to pass at that time, that I will search Jerusalem with candles, and punish the men that are settled on their lees: that say in their heart, The LORD will not do good, neither will he do evil.

            Eze 9:4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

            Eze 9:5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
            Eze 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
            Eze 9:7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.

          • Levi says:

            Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.
            Now this is the 14000 on the earth on mount Zion. We have not heard of a mountian in heaven. This matches Rev. 7:4. Here they finally accept Jesus as their Messiah

            Never disagreed

            Rev 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
            This group is in heaven a totally different group than the 144000 on mount zion. They sing a new song that only the 144000 can learn upon the earth, that were redeemed.

            Never disagreed

            Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
            Now what i’d like to know if these 144000 are already chosen, who are these in verse :

            They are chosen-never disagreed with Rev 7

            Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
            Doesn’t make sense if this is more Jews.

            Why won’t it make more sense? Don’t you think Jews will die in the Lord from thenceforth?

            Zep 1:12 And it shall come to pass at that time, that I will search Jerusalem with candles, and punish the men that are settled on their lees: that say in their heart, The LORD will not do good, neither will he do evil.
            Eze 9:4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
            Eze 9:5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
            Eze 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
            Eze 9:7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.

            What are you trying to say at last? Do you want us to agree that Israel and Jerusalem is wretched, and a harlot and that the Lord will kill each and every Jew that is on the earth except those chosen 144k and destroy all of them?
            Ron, quote at least one verse out of hundreds of verses, which gives hope to the Jews. Even when you do, at least try to highlight them the blessings to the Jews, if you really love the Jews, as you say, you do.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Levi the Jews are a blessed people we all know this. Many Jews will accept Jesus, as they now do, Some will be martyred as Christians will, some will be raptured as Christians will. The purpose of the 144000 are to repopulate the earthly kingdom through the millennium. Many Jews will be killed by the antichrist, and those that have accepted Jesus will go to heaven. The city of Jerusalem will be destroyed and many Jews with it, all those that took the mark will either die or suffer the wrath of God, after tribulation and die in it. The 144000 will be sealed at the time of the rapture, they will not be raptured, that is evident in Rev.9:4, the 5th trumpet of God’s wrath. The rapture happens in Rev. 6:12, referencing Matt. 24:29. This select group of 144000 is God’s promise to Abraham of the 12 tribes, and that is why the twelve tribes are chosen to be equally divided of Jacob’s children.

          • Levi says:

            =>Nowhere do you find that 144k will repopulate the earth. I have already proved that they were all males.
            => Not only Jerusalem will be destroyed but the whole earth but that will happen at the last day.
            =>Whether the 144k will be raptured or not, the Bible is not clear. But the Bible tells us this:

            Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
            The 144k will be with Jesus; which can be implied that they would be raptured.

            As we don’t agree in the order of the Revelation, I cannot believe that the rapture will happen in Rev 6:12.

            While I also believe what Paul says:
            Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

            I hope you are seeing what I am seeing.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Did you not read Zech 8:3-6. Do you not realize the 144000 are the remnant, promised of God.

          • Levi says:

            Ron: I have read it. But it talks about all the Jews. There are men, women and children. It does not say that they were only virgins and not defiled with women.

  102. Levi says:

    If you were a pre tribber then you wouldn’t say what I am saying because you still don’t understand what is my understanding about the times of the gentiles is. You are clogged with a definite understanding of it but I told you that I am waiting on the Lord to reveal.
    Secondly, Ron, with all dir respect, it was not any scholar like Ron or Brenda role me that it is only the Jews who would be saved.

    Your view about the rapture changes the Bible itself in its form so I am not at all interested to know further. If I could twist the verses and rearrange the order of the scriptures then I could even come up with a proof that Jesus is not God. God forbid that I do such a thing. People do such things without fearing the severity of God in the last day.

  103. Levi: I see only 1.9% are christians in India, not too many Christian Churches?

  104. Ron Murphy says:

    2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
    2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

  105. Levi says:

    2 Peter 2:11-12 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
    But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

  106. Levi says:

    Steven: that makes 20 million Christians here in India. Out of which half of them are Catholics.
    We have churches here but most of them run after the doctrines of America. We have many Bible colleges as well but again most of them take the course to just settle in their life by becoming a pastor of some church and get married, have children, give them good education and send them to the US for jobs. So it is all ‘meats for belly and belly for meats’

  107. Levi says:

    When God starts revealing one has to be humble enough to sit back and listen, which is not found in most of today’s Christians. Moreover, Satan is in such a hurry to convince his doctrine that he does not want us to wait upon the Lord. That’s subtle Satan of the garden of Eden.

    Daniel 8:22-24 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
    And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
    And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

  108. Debra says:

    Well, brothers and sisters soon we will know who is right and who is wrong about the rapture, Babylon, Jerusalem, etc. I like what my Husband says when I tell him this or that is going to happen. He says well, if it’s the truth and comes to pass I’ll believe it and know it was God and the truth. We can bash each other until we are blue in the face and waste our breath arguing who has the truth, but the future has a way of showing us what is truth! Wait long enough and we will all see eye to eye. We must be careful not to get too prideful about holding the truth as we try to teach also. Jesus spoke truth but didn’t get all upset when people came against him and his teachings. He let the future catch up with his truth when the temple was destroyed as he proclaimed it would be before He died and rose again. Let’s stay humble brothers and sister and able to teach with love and patience. God bless!

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Amen! Debra. We will see the truth. Many times Jesus spoke harshly to the people that were false teachers, and I know He did everything out of love, and Paul told Timothy to reprove, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering, and doctrine. I am not prideful as others have accused, me. What I do is out of love. Think you for that post. The tension on this post is very stretched, pretribbers , intimately waiting for the rapture and post tribbers, warning of beginning of tribulation. But I find it sad when people teach just because you don’t see things their way you are going to be lost. I say if that’s the way it is then nobody ever got saved. These people teach heresies damaging to the body of Christ. Making Christ a cult. Levi’s new doctrine is saying just this thing that if you miss the pretrib rapture, you are doomed, and can not be saved. That is blasphemy he is teaching if other want it , it’s to their demise. But I for one will speak against it. Let God judge us. I trust He will. God bless you, Sister. I know your wisdom is good.

    • suez says:

      Amen Sister Debra, I tried to say about this same thing a couple days ago…LOL I don’t think they listened. :) I think some things may be still hidden, and when they happen, like your husband said also, the truth will be known!! Until then we as brothers and sisters, still hold unto that Blessed Hope no matter the timing. Even so come, Lord Jesus!!!!

    • Tracy says:

      Amen. If you’re saying lets just wait and see. It’s going to happen exactly as God promises, and it WILL be His way.
      God Bless All

  109. Levi says:

    Debra: may the Lord bless you and praise the Lord for your good words. We really need people like you here.

  110. Levi says:

    Ron: may the Lord help you see the truth.

  111. Levi says:

    Ron: Jesus lived in the worse tribulation than Paul, yet He states about the tribulation period. If you don’t have anything argument don’t just say anything.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Paul did not speak like Jesus, That’s where you all get confused, you want it all to fit together, the way you desire, but it won’t. So you just dismiss it altogether. Just maybe it’s your fault, and not God’s. If you blind yourself with false doctrines you will not see what God is saying. You are all confused. Not one knows the truth, of you. You say you love the truth and want to know it, but how can you love that which you do not know? You are seeking and teaching at the same time. I say, find and then teach. You are confused and you teach confusion. Know the truth and then and only then teach it. Discussion is great we can all learn. But teaching and saying you know what you’re saying is true and then change with the winds, is not of God. Be stable in what you teach before teaching. Seek God first before setting out to reveal, know what He wants. You are holding an audience. That is pride talking. You hinder that which God has sent. And you turn your own tongue upon yourself, as you reprove others.

      • Ron: Is it so hard for you to understand to let Levi, Tracy and I believe in the Pre.Tribulation ” Fairy Tale”? Why do you go on and on about our beliefs, time will tell who is right? But the main thing we are saved by Jesua Salvation. No one is blaming God. We are not trying to teach no one, we are students of scripture, we here to just voice our opinion, if they are right or wrong. If Jesus comes before the Tribulation, no one going to keep up this arguement up in heaven? As you say, we are in confusion, then let us believe the way we want to believe? None of us Pre-Tribbers are in any group, we all come to this conclusion on our own!
        What is prideful is you pushing your theories on us, we never told you not to believe your way? All I hear is your condemning us! Just let it rest! Is that too hard for you to do?
        God Bless

        • Tracy says:

          Amen Pastor. Soooo true.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Not at all, Pastor, If you want to believe it then that is totally your choice. I never have tried to stop you from believing it , that was just what you perceived from it. No big deal, Pastor Believe it. Just leave me be to teach what I must on this site. You have no business trying to stop me. The only one with that authority is NTEB or God. So stand down, and let me teach in peace. Or other wise I teach in contention. That is up to you and Levi.

      • suez says:

        I for one are not trying to teach anyone. I didn’t know this was a place to teach. I thought it was a place where Christians could come and discuss things. I like to discuss. And just because someone on here believes HE has all the truth, means nothing to me. I know no one here personally as does anyone. So I trust no man. I just enjoy discussing the word in peace. But when it is run down my throat, then I don’t like that. Did anyone here, invite anyone here to be the teacher??? I think not. Just saying…:)

  112. Levi says:

    Always when there is nothing to talk about, it’s time for me to say bye from the thread.
    I have believed in only One teacher and He teaches me of all things. Just a reminder: I am not here to teach. Secondly I am not at all bothered what humans say about me and to me. Good or bad, it is always PRAISE THE LORD :)

  113. Levi says:

    Ron: Thank you. You helped me strengthened my faith in the pre tribulation rapture doctrine – ‘a fairy tale’ ;)

  114. suez says:

    Yeppers, Debra, they missed the point!!!! :)

    • Ron Murphy says:

      I don’t obey you Sue or Debra, take it up with God. I will love you, But I’ll obey him. I got Debra’s point well. And Levi, if I strengthen your faith in pretrib, it must of been very week to start with. And if you’re not a teacher then what are you doing on here teaching? That was my point in general. The Lord bless you all.

      God has never ever done things in this way, To say I got a vision and I’m waiting on the Lord to show me, is not of God. It is some one looking for attention.

      • Ron: Please allow us some peace! If anyone of us are wrong, when we are in front of Jesus, we will find out the truth. You will not represent us, we represent ourselves in front of our King Jesus!

        Can not you see your pride, your in a battle with yourself not others, debra and SUEZ, been on your side for many months, now your attacking them, as you said, I don’t obey you Sue or Debra. Then you go on to insult Levi, that he’s weak to start with! That’s pride!

        Actually we are all weak, we are sinners!

        But all we need to do, is have faith in JESUS CHRIST and He will deliver us to heaven? And asked Jesus forgiveness of our daily sins!

        You need to prayer alot forgiveness to others!

        God Bless

      • Tracy says:

        Ron,
        How on earth do you know how God thinks? His ways are not our ways. You mentioned to me one time to not: “be speaking for God.”. All I will say at this point is Dear God help Ron. You should be on your knees.
        I won’t be reading any more of your post. You are weird Ron.
        Dear Lord we need your help. Thank you.

        • Tracy: Remember Satan knows Scriptures just a Good as God does? So alot of people can quote scriptures but do they really know the meaning of the scriptures? And how they relate to each of us?

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Why should I be on my knees for, Tracy. Not that I don’t care to, but what should I do it for, you didn’t clarify that at all.

      • suez says:

        Ron, I never told you to obey me…Dear God in Heaven, I would never tell anyone to do that. I just wanted everyone to get along, even if each differs in their scripture beliefs. No one is strengthening anything in me one way or the other. As I have said many times I am looking to the Holy Spirit to help me. Who said they got a vision, and their waiting for God to show them about that. It wasn’t me. If I get a vision, I set it on the shelf. If God brings it to pass, then it was him. If not, then it was not from him. God Bless you.

  115. LevI. As stated in Hab. 2:3 we are waiting for us to be deliveried to heaven, as in 1st Cor. 15:51 the mystery is not reveal to us yet?

  116. Ron: No one for sure 100% know if the timing of the Rapture will be? It might be before the Tribulation or after, as long we are saved, we will be with Jesus! And that’s the most important thing in our lives right now!

    As long I’m in heaven, it doesn’t matter who is right or wrong?

  117. Levi: News update: Disneyland had explosion in ToonTown area. the park was closed for a few hours.
    If peace talks fail in Geneva in June their will be a proxy war.
    earthquake in Santa Barbara, Ca. 4.9
    earthquake in Taiwan 5.1

  118. Levi says:

    Ron: We are always weak when compared to Him. Do you agree or do you think you are stronger? (Sigh! Can’t say. You may say so).
    With what Christian mind you are saying this, I just don’t understand. Do you think that David was drawing attention? Well, to tell brothers and sisters that I am waiting for the Lord’s answer is to draw attention? Ron, I had high regard for you. I didn’t realize that you would become so mean just because I am not a post tribber. Don’t you see how the children of God waited upon the Lord? Are you a Christian Ron?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
      2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

      • Ron: these verses that you quoted can go both ways, but from your view point your pride trying to insult Levi again with his belief that different than yours. But we can say, the same thing to you, that you have turned away from the truth, believing in your false theories that are lead by your pride to sound that your speaking the truth.

  119. Levi says:

    Steven: yes, we need to wait for the Lord. But Ron says, that is not of God. Because we wait to get attention. I don’t know whose attention.
    Yes, it is in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye-that is not much time. It is will happen some day.

  120. Levi says:

    Steven: yes, we need to wait for the Lord. But Ron says, that is not of God. Because we wait to get attention. I don’t know whose attention.
    Yes, it is in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye-that is not much time. It will happen some day.

    • Levi: How does Ron know what He’s thinking about us? these scriptures he qoutes to us are 2000 years old. So God has been doing other things in these 2000+ years!

  121. Levi says:

    Suez: if you just try reading the mat 24, Rev

  122. Levi says:

    Suez: if you just try reading the mat 24, Rev 6 & 15 with keeping in mind that it is foe the Jews only, then it might get clearer. Please try. I told you what I thought.

    • suez says:

      Is it??? I don’t know. That will require more study time for me to know that. As Jews and Christians both have been killed and martyred over all these centuries, and as we are all one in Christ, I’m not sure what this means in that verse. I’m open to ideas, but I will rely on the Holy Spirit to show me his truth. , I haven’t read that there are different places for the Jews and Christians in Heaven. So at this point, I would say they are made up of all those in Christ Jesus, that have been killed for Christ. But of coarse, I can be wrong!!! If your saying Math: 24 is just for the Jews, I think that is kind of foolish. So you saying Christ is leaving the Church, his beloved Bride without any warning, to get us by with all these 2,000 years?? That is a totally, how can I put this kindly,,silliness! Sorry, it wasn’t meant as a offense. Are we to throw out chapter one of Math. also, about Jesus coming and being born. Is that too, only for the Jews? How silly! Come on just think about it please. God Bless you Bro. :)

  123. Levi says:

    Steven: thank you for he news update. We are very close. Keep your ears open to hear the sound of God’s trump (not angel’s) :)

  124. Levi says:

    Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

    Just a thought. Those who were going to be killed were called the fellow servants and brethren. Are these not the Jews only?

    • Levi: when I get to heaven, its going to be pretty hard for me to draw attention, as I’ll be in millions or billions of christians. I hope they will have information desk there, so we can get to together, also I have alot of Christian family and friends from my past that passed on!

      Since Ron’s pride gets the most of him, he might just get his wish to enter the Tribulation? That will be a sad day for him?

  125. Levi: If I got God’s atention and literally spoke to me, I probably pass out from fear?

  126. Ron; Why do you think the christians are better than the Jews, their God’s Chosen people. the Jews abandoned Jesus, but Jesus did not abandoned the Jews! The last half is for just the Jews to show them that the Messiah is Jesus Christ. This period is for the Jews to recieve Salvation, not us. The one’s in the first half is for unbelievers to accept Salvation through the 144,000 christian jews.

    You act just as the Jehovah Witnesses, they believe they are better than the jews, they abandoned God?

  127. Levi: Suez having problems understanding without the Jews their would not be any christians. When Jesus was preaching on earth, it was mainly for the jews. That why He needed Paul, to collect the adopted race together (Christians). What people can not understand is the jews abandoned God for about 4,000 years, but did God abandoned the jews, NO? The last half of the Tribulation is for the jews mainly to recieve Salvation, the jews are still waiting for the Messiah to come. And the jews believe Elijah will be the forerunner to the Messiah, when time reaches the mid point of the Tribulation 2 witnesses will appear to preach to the Jews, they will point out their 6,000 year mistake, that Jesus Christ is their Messiah. And at this time, Satan will proclaim himself God in the 3rd Temple, by knowing the real truth from these 2 witnesses, the Jews will refuse to worship Satan as God, and they will run for the widerness, where God will protect his people.

    There is no place where the Church is mention in the last half of the tribulation in revelation. So we will be already gone!

    • suez says:

      Excuse me Mr. Larud, but i am not having a hard time understanding about the Jews. I wasn’t born again 2 weeks ago. i have been saved 38 years, and yes I read the Bible too!! :( rolling my eyes….

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Sue I know you don’t have much faith in what I’m saying, And I know you think I’m rude on here, but You don’t understand why either. I taught D City some things, He now believes Jerusalem is the Harlot, And He has a lot better idea of the origin of the antichrist. We worked together to do a great study. I wish he was here. To back me up but, he not. I’m sorry if I’ve offended you in any way. It was not done with intention.

        • suez says:

          You haven’t offended me in the least. I am not offended at anyone. About Jerusalem being the Harlot. That is a new one to me. I never heard ANYONE teach that before. So no I won’t accept that, but I will keep it in mind as I study!! :) I have heard from many, it may be true or it may not, that is is the Apostate church! Those that have fallen away, or who were never really the Lords in the first place. But I don’t know that that is true or not either. Another one the Lord needs to fill me in on…LOL :)

  128. Levi says:

    Suez: No, you did not offend me because you tried your best not to.
    Yes, many things in the Bible seem silly but after praying and with the help of the Holy Spirit one can start seeing how much wisdom is there in that silliness. To many staunch and sincere Jews, during those times the cross of Christ was foolishness but it later it became power when understood, believed, accepted and lived.
    Now, I am not going to try hard to push this on you or anybody.
    Right now since Christ’s resurrection we are living in times of grace where there is neither Jew nor gentile. We are all one in Christ. And Christ is the firstfruits of our harvest. But when this time of grace gets over, the time will go back to the OT where again there will be sacrifices will be done in temple by the Jews who would be a new harvest, whose firstfruits are 144k, who are offered both to God and to the Lamb. This time will be only for the Jews. They will be martyred and those of who will not will be reaped-wheats and tares. For you this is my opinion but for me it is the Lord who revealed.
    Yes, Jews and Gentiles have lived together but we never had anyone to do supernatural acts like the two witnesses would do. Unusual events taking place in a very short time. Conspicuous appearing of the spirits and mind boggling destruction. All these and much more different things are happening during this short period than at any time. So this time is different than any other time. I would like to share with you many OT types of this end time events but I can’t here in this blog. You can write to levipattar@yahoo.com if you wish to.
    As for Christ and His Bride, in Mat 24, I believe His beloves Bride was not yet born. Remember Adam and Eve. Adam was looking for a mate and the Lord God him to sleep and out of his rib made He a woman. Now Jesus slept and when He was pierced and His side the Bride was being formed. I belief it is not a theory. God bless you sister Suez. There is a ton of such things and I believe you know most of these things. If you know anything more as such as you did with the types of the trees in the garden then we could rejoice in His Word. May the Lord bless you abundantly.

  129. Levi says:

    Sorry Suez the email ID is levipattar@gmail.com and NOT yahoo.com

  130. Levi says:

    Steven: It is not she does not see. She knows even more than any of us do here but only that there are scriptures which have spoken louder for a post tribulation rapture to her than the pre trib.
    But again that is not a big deal for one to be saved. The only thing, I think one will miss is to see the plan of God hidden since the world began.

  131. Levi says:

    Suez: Ron did not say that you said you were strengthened. It was I who said to him that he helped me to strengthen my faith in the pre trib doctrine. It was not sarcastic remark but an honest ones. Ron made me to think on certain things in the Bible and I took it to the Lord for answer and then the Lord answered me. So I am thankful to Ron as well in helping me.
    It was I who told him that I am waiting on the Lord to answer but I don’t think i ever said a word about visions. Even if it is a vision, what’s wrong? It is God’s way of dealing with people. Who is Ron to tell that it is not of God for us to have visions.
    So Suez, Ron was telling me about all those things and not to you. I hope it is clear now.

  132. Levi: News update:They found the remains of Amelia Earhart plane and 2 bodies in south pacific island of Kiribati.

    volcanoe Copahue that borders Chile and Argentina in the Andes is exploding.

    Homeland Security Dept. to issue smart cards to their employees.

    NYC launches website for teens for birth control and abortion clinics.

    Assad recieves 1st shipment of S-300 missiles from Russia.

    Hezbollah ordered Hamas out of Lebanon immediately.

    Other News——Syria obvious one is the civil war been going on for 2 years now. But there is a 2nd war becoming more critial that an effort underway by Iran and Hezbollah to widen the Syrian conflict into Lebanon, jordan and Isreal. This could explode at any time that could be the fulfillment of Isaiah 17:1 and as well Psalms 83!

  133. Levi says:

    Stephen: it is all coming to the end. The Lord will not fail but will keep His promise. Let us get ready to be worthy to escape all the things that are going to come to test them that dwell on this earth.
    Thank you for the update.
    Today, I got an opportunity to witness the love of Christ to an Iranian young lady who is a Muslim. She seemed to have accepted Christ. May the Lord work in her heart. Let the soil be a good soil as the seed has been down and may the good Husbandman take care of that land and help her bring forth much fruit. I am so glad today. :).
    Everybody who reads this let him/her pray for her. :)

  134. Levi: when she accepts Christ salvation, tears will flow from your eyes. You saved another person from destruction! That is a joyful day! Praise Jesus Christ!

  135. The O’Bama sponsered fsa syrian rebels have slaughtered an entire village of Arab Christians this week..why is there no outcry…

  136. The O’bama sponsered fsa syrian rebels have slaughtered an entire village of Arab Christians in Syria and not one outcry from around the world… Shame on us…. The Christian is the 21st century Jew is it going to be too late before anything is done or is the whole world against Christians…

  137. Brothers and sisters we should all have the Christians who are getting slaughtered in Muslim lands… we need the LORD to intervene and help these poor souls…We need people to waken up and try to do something this will end up like a Holocaust in the 21st century…World war II would mean nothing and those poor soldiers who died in it would be meaningless…..

  138. Levi says:

    Brian: I am sorry about the Christians in these nations. Our christian brethren are slaughtered by Muslims and other religious groups. Brother, I believe the Lord is with them. This does not mean we are not supposed to do anything. This I see more of a spiritual battle than a carnal. Our battle is not against flesh and blood but against principalities, the rulers of darkness and its powers. These battles an only be fought through prayers. We need to pray a lot for our Christian brethren.
    As for them a crown is laid up once the life from this flesh is gone. The God of heaven and earth will reward them openly. This all that is happening to the righteous people of God is to bring judgement upon this world. If the world remains good and if it does not persecute the righteous and holy people how will the judgement of God come upon this world? Their evil is not limited to their surrounding but it does fall upon the children of God, so that the Lord’s children cry out for mercy and the Lord’s judgement will be soon upon this world. We should pray for them.

  139. Levi: I got on a web page out out the Pentegon. On 5/26/2013 Tehran deployed massive numbers of missiles lauchers.
    And in Jeremiah 51:11 Prepare against the nation of Medes (Syria).

    On March 22, 2013 meeting between Obama and Netanyahu gave Syria and Iran 3 months to back down any attacks against Isreal, the date coming up is 6/22/2013.

    Arabs Global March to Jesusalem planned for Cairo on 6/7/2013. Morsi ran and was elected on the promise to take back Jerusalem.

    June 14, 2013 is Iranian Presidential Election.

    June 5, 2013 is the Iranian 12th Imam.

    From Jerusalem Post the 3rd Intifada will start the movement against a war with Isreal on 6/7/2013.

    Its getting close!!!! God Bless Us All

  140. Bright says:

    And yet we all claim to be the descendants of Abraham. He was not violent and our God is not violent either. God and His servant Abraham were full of grace and peaceful. I am of the view that the god of violence is not the God we know, believe in, and serve. Is it true all this violence in the name of God? It is not us to give vengeance as we all are sinners and need the mercies of God. Let us have the brotherly love amongst us as God did by His grace shown us in sending His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ that we be saved from the penalty of sin which is death.

    • NTEB News Desk says:

      You say that God is “not violent”? Have you ever actually read the bible? Did you read where God killed 70,000 men at one time for something that they didn’t even do? “So the LORD sent a pestilence upon Israel from the morning even to the time appointed: and there died of the people from Dan even to Beersheba seventy thousand men.” 2 Samuel 24:15 KJV

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Who said Abraham wasn’t violet? Friend you should read your Bible before posting on thing you don’t know about. You’re looking pretty silly right now.

  141. Levi says:

    Suez: IMHO there is almost no chance for any gentile to be saved. They shall all take the mark of the beast. There will plenty of people in Israel who call themselves Jews but they are not. Just like you see mixed multitude that came out of the land of Egypt under Moses, so will it be. There will be again two witnesses just like there were two in Egypt, Moses and Aaron. There will be mighty army that will surround Jerusalem. The Antichrist will get that huge army against Jerusalem to make war but the Lord will consume them.

    Again, as per my understanding; we see again there are gentiles and Jews mentioned. Now it is very necessary to notice that these gentiles are not just gentiles they are sinners. The Antichrist will gather those from the ‘falling away’ against Israel. And this falling away is not just simple slipping away from God but they will openly blaspheme God.

    Daniel 8:9-12, 23-24 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
    And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
    Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
    And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
    And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
    And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

    I think, the Jews will again stand for God and the true Jews will not worship the beast neither will they take the mark. Just as the blood of the passover protected the Jews in Egypt so will these be protected by the blood of the Lamb. However they will be overcome and this evil man will kill many.

    Yes, there will be both Jews and gentiles in Israel but as it is written that they shall betray one another, this will surely come to pass among them.

    This is my understanding Suez.

  142. Pastor Steven Larue…. I read 9th July something big is going to happen according to a few muslims,… I don’t know if its the end of the president of Iran presidency and he wants to cause chaos for their Mahdi to come….

  143. Levi says:

    ‘precious prophet’ – Lolzzzz

  144. Levi says:

    You know what? I always desired the gift of prophecy but I don’t know if that is for me or not. But someone in here made my day, called me a ‘precious prophet’ – doesn’t matter even it is out of contempt.

    Thank you Lord Jesus Christ for making known unto me that I am blessed with the gift that I desired so much, even if it is remarked sarcastically. May the good Lord bless the person who did so.

    1 Corinthians 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
    Wow! I am so excited!

  145. suez says:

    Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will show thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.
    Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
    “Joh 14:2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.” Maybe the place that Jesus went to prepare, is the New Jerusalem? It says there, that is the Bride, the Beautiful City: Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Just a thought!! I see scriptures that say we are joint aires, (sp) with Christ, but not his Bride. I need scripture that shows me that the Church is the Bride. Where is that found? If you have that please show me, cause I have looked but can’t find it.

    • Levi says:

      Suez: That’s true the verses that you showed are absolutely pointing us that the New Jerusalem descends from heaven and does not arise from the earth.
      When Jesus promised here on earth, that He is going to ‘prepare a place for YOU’. There should be some people to live in that place. The place itself cannot be beautiful without life in it. I think, as He went up and prepared that place for us He will come again to take us to inhabit that place and when we go and inhabit that place, then that place plus those who inhabit it together makes it the Bride of Christ.

      Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
      Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
      (Husband and wife – Christ and the Church)
      Ephesians 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
      Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
      Ephesians 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
      Ephesians 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
      Ephesians 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
      Ephesians 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
      Ephesians 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
      Ephesians 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
      Ephesians 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

      Note in 29,30 & 31, Paul talks about ones own body, then takes it to the Lord’s own body and says that we are His body and further takes the to call it His wife, saying that ‘the two shall be one flesh’

      Finally Paul calls it a GREAT MYSTERY concerning Christ and His Church.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      We are the body, Christ is the head, the city, New Jerusalem is the bride. Now let me explain The old Jerusalem must be destroyed, and there is scripture for that, It is the harlot, because of her adultery with idols, The new Jerusalem is the bride given to all God’s saints, as the old was given to the children of Israel.

      • Ron, You say, the Bride is Jerusalem?

        In the New Testament,. Christ, the Bridegroom, He sacrificially and lovingly chosen the Church to be His Bride. Eph. 5:25-27

        Paul relates the Church to Christ’s Bride, 2nd Cor. 11: 2-3

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Pastor that is very week evidence compared to what Revelation 21:2,9 says. Paul was using examples, but Rev. tells what it really is directly.

          • suez says:

            Amen Ron, I agree with you on that one!! :) Besides in those scriptures Larude said, it never called the church the Bride. We are the body, Christ is the head of that Body. Period. We cannot add words to the Word!! :)

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Amen, Sue, exactly, to do so is not only changing the Bible, but it’s also leading others astray.

  146. Levi says:

    This reminds me of a character in the Bible. There is at least one similarity here. Saul used to bless David and within no time used try to kill him and curse him. There was no consistency in him. This is dangerous. I am scared of this type of heart. Lord, heal the wounded heart and soul. The soul is anointed by you; may Your love encompass him in your bosom until the heart is fully warm.

    Psalms 42:11 Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted within me? hope thou in God: for I shall yet praise him, who is the health of my countenance, and my God.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      You just don’t get it do ya, Levi, I love you, brother. I want God to get a hold of you and bless you with all wisdom, but not for your glory. For His glory, You could do a mighty work in India, I believe you will, brother. It isn’t my fault you keep bucking against the truth. I pray God give it to you. I want to see you have it, for His glory. His will be done. If my blessing you offends you then I’ll stop it, if you prefer.

    • suez says:

      To my knowledge that is because there was an evil spirit coming and going in Saul.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        That is just what they been implying all the time , Sue. They think I’m of the devil because I don’t teach pre trib. and because I speak against pretrib.

  147. Ron, You said, you have not tried to disapprove how I like to believe in the PRE-TRIBULATIOn, but you believe its a FAIRY TALE?

    Why don’t you try and teach NTEB of your theory of POST-TRIBULATION?

  148. Ron, I rather be pathetic than left behind?

    • Levi says:

      Lol. That’s nice. I would rather be a fool believing in the pre-tribulation rapture and then be with Him than be wise believing in the post-trib rapture, suffering in the tribulation which is not meant for me.

  149. Levi: It seem when we disagree with Ron, we are actually disagreeing with God?

    So is Ron, saying He’s God?

    • Levi says:

      Steven: That is what exactly I am trying to figure out. I think he is sometimes unaware what he is posting. In his anger, he will just do anything. That is not good.

  150. Levi: When Satan enters the 3rd Temple, in the mid-point of the Tribulation, he’ll basically will be saying the same thing that he’s God?

    • Levi says:

      Steven: No. Let us not go that far and we don’t expect that as well. Far be it from him to become such a vile person. In nature, I am more vile than Ron. I am no better than Ron.

      We know that the devil has been trying to do this since the garden of Eden; trying to put pride in man by saying ‘you shall be as gods’. So it is nothing new that anybody’s mind get corrupted with this corruption.

  151. Levi: The more I learn from everyone post scriptures the more I feel stupid! I have posted severe anger on this web site, and Ron has disagreed with everything I have said. Ron pride is really getting overwhelming. As he said, he taught D City, but as I remember it was D City teaching Ron?

    Really I hate to say this, but Ron is so up tight about our Belief, his anger and pride are leading him into bad language as words: Fairy Tales, Clowns, liars, now we are pathetic!

    This sound like a person with satanic ideas, and God allows us the freedom of choice, even if chosed not to believe his way, he would not go around calling us as pathetic people?

    Again, I’m just reading these posts Ron states!

  152. Levi says:

    What do you think? God has not got hold of me? Am I doing it for my glory? I am not seeking my glory. I don’t live Ron. I have told you several times that I don’t live. I am not going against the truth. It is the Lord who will judge me if I am against or for the truth. I don’t regard man’s judgement. Because you are saying this in love I am seriously replying you else you know that I laugh the accusations out.
    When your curses do not offend me how can your blessings offend me? I only desire you to be consistent. You bless and then you curse. Why do you so that? I am not asking you to do anything. If the Lord commands you to curse Levi then just do it and if He says bless Levi then do it. It is up to you Ron to decide.

  153. Ron Murphy says:

    You Know, You people, all of you need to chill out. I’m not angry, neither am I prideful. I’m not God, but I’m his child, And I hope that all of you are, too. I am Human I make mistakes, too. But if God chose me to teach then, what are you harking about. Levi you take offence to everything, that is a bad quality to have. I wish God would get ahold of me. If you don’t want it. Lord bless someone else, Father. You are like the children of Israel in the desert going to the promise land, complain, complain. You don’t even recognize love when you see it. You take it for hate and anger. Why don’t you people get some meat and grow up in the Lord? Levi I have never cursed you. I only warned you to be careful, just like you did me.

    • Levi says:

      Ron: You are not angry? Then it is good for you and all of us. We know that you are not God. Please do not just hope but rather believe that we are God’s children as well. If you still hope, it means that we are not God’s children right now.

      Ron, you are right. I should not take offense when you call me a false prophet, oppressor, provoker, clown, liar and so on. I am learning Ron.

      Lol. We do not have any complaints Ron. We just want to tell that what we are hearing is not right. It is just that. We already have meat but you are the one who already is still drinking milk. You are the one who wants to believe the Lord by sight and not by faith (hearing).

      Remember, I have not even warned you because I know you would not take it. You already know the warning and you have mocked it because you don’t believe in it. Only God can change your heart and be it far from me to curse you.

    • Levi: See how Ron tywist his words, so he can look as the good guy. As he said, we take it as anger or hate, because that is exactly what Ron shows to us? Why does not Ron practice what he preaches about getting meat and grow up in the Lord?

      Now he’s warning us to be careful, he acts that he’s our supreme commander. God warns us, but this person warns us, again he’s not God? So how can he warn us?
      And he say’s God chose him to teach us, is he a prophet, Apòstles, educated from a Bible College, show me some meat of documented evidence that your a preacher?

      • Levi says:

        Steven: This is verse is not only for Ron but for all of us. Me first.

        Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

        Ron is just like us. We are not better than him nor he is better than us in anyway.

        As I have said earlier, Ron is sincere in his belief and approach and therefore warns us all in his belief but he also needs to think the same of us as well. I do not think any Christian here is cunning and therefore is misleading anyone deliberately. We may do it in ignorance so that is why we need to be open to understand the truth. We have to allow God to speak to us in humbleness. Ready to accept the truth, no matter how painful it may sound.

  154. Ron Murphy says:


    D City So Nice, Dey Named It Twice. (Titus 2:15 & Proverbs 27:5):

    I got tons to add.
    What great city would the Lord be more upset with.
    Rome built by heathens who worshiped heathens and false gods from beginning to end.
    or
    Jerusalem who God designated for his people. Who his people then turned around and whored with false gods anyways. Then God sent his only son to them. They rejected and crucified his son. Who now currently have a building (Dome Of The Rock) of a false god in the land he gave them
    Ask yourself what would concern and anger him (God) more.
    Then ask yourself why haven’t the Jews removed or destroyed or taken down the dome of the Rock?
    Then ask yourself why have they still refused to acknowledge Jesus Christ. Say well obviously they haven’t removed the dome of the rock because they do not want to start a holy war. Then ask yourself if God would actually allow anyone who does something in the interest of the ONE TRUE GOD IN HEAVEN to come under harm?
    So then because of their lack of faith and rejection of his son Jesus Christ they leave a temple of a false God within their gates and city. The same of which they have done all throughout the ages from their existence.
    Remember Rome may be what we here on earth consider great but lets compare it to Jerusalem for a minute. HEAVEN AND EARTH Jerusalem is greater. Why? Well for one as long as Rome was a major city and it was what we consider pretty great it doesn’t even compare to Jerusalem. Jerusalem has been greater just in the fact its been around sine the beginning. It has been flooded with riches by kings, it has been sought after and fought over by king after king after king right to this very day, minute and second. Jerusalem has whored with more false gods then Rome ever has.
    What is the last thing that Jerusalem is going to do? Get into bed with the antichrist? Sign a peace treaty with the devil?
    Who do you think God is going to be more upset with. Rome or Jerusalem?
    Why is God building another Jerusalem in heaven for us ultimately to reside in?
    Look no matter how you try to swing it. The harlot of all harlots is Jerusalem. From beginning to end designated by God for his people. His people rejected him and have continually gotten into bed with all the false gods all along and still to this day do not accept Jesus Christ and have no FAITH IN the one true God. If they had the faith they would remove the dome of the Rock. BUT THEY DO NOT. The devil will use this tool to his advantage and they will accept him and allow him to do it. Whoring one last time. Before the Lord comes with his wrath.

    • Levi says:

      D City So Nice, Dey Named It Twice. (Titus 2:15 & Proverbs 27:5):

      I got tons to add.
      What great city would the Lord be more upset with.
      Rome built by heathens who worshiped heathens and false gods from beginning to end.
      or
      Jerusalem who God designated for his people. Who his people then turned around and whored with false gods anyways.
      It is obviously Jerusalem. I agree

      Then God sent his only son to them. They rejected and crucified his son.
      Agreed

      Who now currently have a building (Dome Of The Rock) of a false god in the land he gave them
      Ask yourself what would concern and anger him (God) more.
      Now we need to know. Who the Lord is angry with? Jews or the gentiles? Was it Jews who invited the Gentiles to erect this Dome?

      Then ask yourself why haven’t the Jews removed or destroyed or taken down the dome of the Rock?
      Everybody knows the consequences what will happen if they do.

      Then ask yourself why have they still refused to acknowledge Jesus Christ.
      Blindness in part has happened to Israel. If Israel had accepted Jesus Christ, then we would not have had salvation. Israel AS A NATION has refused to accept Jesus as their Messiah but there are many Jews who have accepted Him. If Israel as a nation had done it, then it would have been just like any other nation. Right?

      Say well obviously they haven’t removed the dome of the rock because they do not want to start a holy war.
      Exactly

      Then ask yourself if God would actually allow anyone who does something in the interest of the ONE TRUE GOD IN HEAVEN to come under harm?
      I did not understand the question

      So then because of their lack of faith and rejection of his son Jesus Christ they leave a temple of a false God within their gates and city. The same of which they have done all throughout the ages from their existence.
      Whenever they did such a thing they have been punished. They were punished all these years for rejecting His Son. Now they will have another chance of accepting Him when the two witnesses will come and witness them about Jesus. The witnesses would be of their own people, whom they say they believe. Moses and Elijah. Regarding the Dome of Rock, they did not invite it to be constructed. It was invaded and the land was taken over

      Remember Rome may be what we here on earth consider great but lets compare it to Jerusalem for a minute. HEAVEN AND EARTH Jerusalem is greater. Why? Well for one as long as Rome was a major city and it was what we consider pretty great it doesn’t even compare to Jerusalem. Jerusalem has been greater just in the fact its been around sine the beginning. It has been flooded with riches by kings, it has been sought after and fought over by king after king after king right to this very day, minute and second. Jerusalem has whored with more false gods then Rome ever has.
      Rome is a whore since birth. So there is no comparison with Jerusalem. I agree that Jerusalem is greater than Rome

      What is the last thing that Jerusalem is going to do? Get into bed with the antichrist? Sign a peace treaty with the devil?
      Who do you think God is going to be more upset with. Rome or Jerusalem?
      Agreed

      Why is God building another Jerusalem in heaven for us ultimately to reside in?
      Simple: because that is spiritual and this is carnal

      Look no matter how you try to swing it. The harlot of all harlots is Jerusalem.
      Because that is your interpretation. I know no matter what, you are going to continuously accuse Jerusalem of her harlotry even when the Lord has forgiven her. If she were not forgiven, then the Lord would not have restored her

      From beginning to end designated by God for his people. His people rejected him and have continually gotten into bed with all the false gods all along and still to this day do not accept Jesus Christ and have no FAITH IN the one true God.
      If they had the faith they would remove the dome of the Rock.
      O self – righteous and proud one! How many sins you commit even after by grace the goodness of God was revealed unto you? As a ‘Christian’ nation, how many mosques and temples has America allowed to be built in its land? And YOU who is sitting behind the computer, what have you done to stop it?

      BUT THEY DO NOT. The devil will use this tool to his advantage and they will accept him and allow him to do it. Whoring one last time. Before the Lord comes with his wrath.
      Obviously, you expect that to happen because you do not love that nation (though you say you do). It is always Satan’s plan to get rid of that nation. No wonder, even today’s so called christians hate this nation

    • suez says:

      Jos 10:2 That they feared greatly, because Gibeon was a great city, as one of the royal cities, and because it was greater than Ai, and all the men thereof were mighty.” Jon 1:2 Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.” These say they were great cities also. I am trying to see your point, but I am not seeing it as of yet. I will keep a open mind. But since when has Israel or Jerusalem did this??? “Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.” they have never reigned over the Kings of the earth to my knowledge, or ever will, in this lifetime. But I don’t know much, but I can’t see this… right now anyway, I see it more as a system. but I’m probably wrong. Just trying to learn here.
      :)

  155. Ron Murphy says:


    D City So Nice, Dey Named It Twice. (Titus 2:15 & Proverbs 27:5):

    Now for 100% undeniable proof that, “GREAT CITY” in revelations is JERUSALEM.
    First lets establish crystal clearly where Jesus was crucified, using scriptures of course.
    (Matthew 20:17 KJV) And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them,
    (Matthew 20:18-19 KJV) Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.
    (Revelation 11:8 KJV) And their dead bodies (TWO WITNESSES) shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
    THAT GREAT CITY IS JERUSALEM anyone who tries to say otherwise is not listening to scripture or Jesus’s words.

    • Levi says:

      I 100% agree that the great city is Jerusalem but I, 110% Do Not Agree that MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH, is JERUSALEM.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

        Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
        This isn’t talking Babylon here.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
          This is Jerusalem that the earthquake slew 7000.

  156. Ron Murphy says:

    Levi, the Lord showed me something this morning about what we were talking about, In Rev 14:1-4. I saught Him on the matter and He showed me that you was partly right on what you said about the 144000 being the virgins, and they follow the Lamb. I thought it to be the ones in heaven that where harping and singing. They are called the firstfruits. You are right about that, also. He also told me that this has nothing to do with Paul’s firstfruits. This term firstfruits is given because they have been given the right to populate the kingdom as God’s chosen people, as mortal men. Being the firstfruits of the kingdom age. So I was wrong on that part, forgive me.

    • Levi says:

      Ron: That’s great. You don’t have to ask forgiveness for anything. We do make mistakes in understanding His Word. That’s not great deal. What you did was what I did earlier too. I sought Him and He spoke to me and He did to you as well. So I am not the teacher right? It is God the teacher. I am so glad that God is your teacher and my teacher.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Amen, Levi, He is the Teacher and He has made me a teacher. But many times even a teacher can make mistakes, but the Teacher is never wrong.

  157. Ron: I like how you call us ” YOU PEOPLE”, seem we are not like you?

  158. Ron Murphy says:

    Did God prophesy, concerning Jerusalem being the mother of harlots?

    Eze 16:2 Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,
    Eze 16:14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.
    Eze 16:15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.
    Eze 16:30 How weak is thine heart, saith the Lord GOD, seeing thou doest all these things, the work of an imperious whorish woman;
    Eze 16:32 But as a wife that committeth adultery, which taketh strangers instead of her husband!
    Eze 16:33 They give gifts to all whores: but thou givest thy gifts to all thy lovers, and hirest them, that they may come unto thee on every side for thy whoredom.
    Eze 16:34 And the contrary is in thee from other women in thy whoredoms, whereas none followeth thee to commit whoredoms: and in that thou givest a reward, and no reward is given unto thee, therefore thou art contrary.
    Eze 16:35 Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD:

    Eze 16:37 Behold, therefore I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated; I will even gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness.
    This is God gathering the Nations for the battle of amageddon.

    Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

    Eze 16:38 And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy.
    The Fury of God’s Wrath.

    Eze 16:40 They shall also bring up a company against thee, and they shall stone thee with stones, and thrust thee through with their swords.
    Eze 16:41 And they shall burn thine houses with fire, and execute judgments upon thee in the sight of many women: and I will cause thee to cease from playing the harlot, and thou also shalt give no hire any more.

    Eze 16:42 So will I make my fury toward thee to rest, and my jealousy shall depart from thee, and I will be quiet, and will be no more angry.
    Eze 16:43 Because thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, but hast fretted me in all these things; behold, therefore I also will recompense thy way upon thine head, saith the Lord GOD: and thou shalt not commit this lewdness above all thine abominations.
    Eze 16:44 Behold, every one that useth proverbs shall use this proverb against thee, saying, As is the mother, so is her daughter.
    This is God tell Jerusalem, she shall no more be the harlot. This is the last days.
    Eze 16:55 When thy sisters, Sodom and her daughters, shall return to their former estate, and Samaria and her daughters shall return to their former estate, then thou and thy daughters shall return to your former estate.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      When will God let it rest? After His indignation is finished, after His wrath is over, at the end.
      Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
      This isn’t Rome or Babylon he’s talking about here.

  159. Ron Murphy says:

    Eze 23:19 Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt.
    Eze 23:23 The Babylonians, and all the Chaldeans, Pekod, and Shoa, and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them: all of them desirable young men, captains and rulers, great lords and renowned, all of them riding upon horses.

    Eze 23:26 They shall also strip thee out of thy clothes, and take away thy fair jewels.
    Eze 16:39 And I will also give thee into their hand, and they shall throw down thine eminent place, and shall break down thy high places: they shall strip thee also of thy clothes, and shall take thy fair jewels, and leave thee naked and bare.

    Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

  160. Ron Murphy says:

    The gathering of nations against Jerusalem and Israel.

    Isa 13:4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.
    Isa 13:5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.
    Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
    Isa 13:7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man’s heart shall melt:

    Eze 38:2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
    Eze 38:7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.
    Eze 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
    Eze 38:9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

    Joe 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
    Joe 3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.
    Joe 3:12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.
    Joe 3:13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

    Mic 4:11 Now also many nations are gathered against thee, that say, Let her be defiled, and let our eye look upon Zion.
    Mic 4:12 But they know not the thoughts of the LORD, neither understand they his counsel: for he shall gather them as the sheaves into the floor.
    Mic 4:13 Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion: for I will make thine horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth.

    Zep 3:8 Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.

    Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
    Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

    Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
    Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
    Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
    Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Eze 16:37 Behold, therefore I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated; I will even gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

        Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

        Isa 40:1 Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
        Isa 40:2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD’S hand double for all her sins.
        This is prophecy

    • suez says:

      This for for #412,,,getting so many here it is getting hard to find…let alone read them all.. Anyway I wonder how long of a period of time will be between— “Zec:14:2 and 14:3? Since some some are taken into captivity…hmm interesting. Just a thought!! :)

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Sue, this is at the battle of Armageddon, when the nations are gathered against Jerusalem. All this is happening at about the same time.

        Eze 9:4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
        Eze 9:5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
        Eze 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
        Eze 9:7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.
        Eze 9:8 And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?
        Eze 9:9 Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The LORD hath forsaken the earth, and the LORD seeth not.
        Eze 9:10 And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.

        This is the same prophecy. The mark upon their foreheads, is the sealing of the 144,000 of Rev. 7:3.
        There will be an earthquake, also, that will take many of them out, in Rev. 11:13.
        I believe this earthquake is when Jesus comes to the mount of Olives, and the land splits.
        The earthquake causes the city to divide into three parts. Rev. 16:19.

      • Levi says:

        Suez: I am sorry I am not good at understanding the timelines of prophecy.
        However, in my opinion.
        From the time Jerusalem is compassed to the Lord coming and destroying the beast and his company, it would be complete 7 year tribulation.

        Luk 21:21-27
        20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
        21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
        22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
        23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
        24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
        25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
        26 Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
        27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

        Now consider this as well:

        Daniel 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
        Daniel 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

        2300 days = 6.4 years

        The sanctuary will only be cleansed when the Lord Himself will descend in power and glory to war against His enemies.

        Just my opinion.

  161. suez says:

    No it doesn’t! !! But just saying.

  162. suez says:

    Lol

  163. Ron Murphy says:

    Why was it written, about the harlot, here in chapter 19 and then the next subject was the bride the new Jerusalem.? Isn’t it evident, what’s going on here?

    Rev 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
    Rev 19:3 And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
    Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
    If the bride be the New Jerusalem, She replaced the old one.

  164. Ron Murphy says:

    The verses, that was posted above, starting in post 403, is undisputable evidence that Jerusalem is the harlot of Revelation, for at no time in history have all the nations gathered against Jerusalem. It is evident that it is near the time of God’s wrath. His wrath ending with the battle of Armageddon, with the gathering of the nations to battle.

  165. Ron Murphy says:

    Isa 13:4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.

    Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

  166. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
    Only cities in the world are built on 7 hills, they are Rome and Jerusalem. Rome was man made Jerusalem was made by God. These both at the time of this scripture, were called the city of 7 hills, the ones in Jerusalem have the name Mount, Mount Zion, Mount of Olives, and ect.

  167. Ron Murphy says:

    Typo: Only cities= Only two cities

  168. Levi says:

    The only chapter that is enough for me to be convinced that Jerusalem is not Babylon is Psalms 137.

    I can see Satan so hell bent on destroying the people of God, Israel and Jerusalem. But he is going to be destroyed with Babylon as mentioned in Jer 50 & 51.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Oh! but you do not see, If it was Babylon then she would not of been a mystery. This City is Mystery Babylon. Was She not called Sodom and Egypt also, in Spiritual term? So as she is also called Mystery Babylon in Spiritual terms. Did You study the verses I posted above? It tells it all.

      Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

  169. Levi says:

    Neither is Babylon Jerusalem

  170. Ron Murphy says:

    Was She not called Sodom? Was she not called Egypt? Was she not Jerusalem that our Lord was crucified in?

  171. Levi says:

    It tells nothing about Babylon being Jerusalem but it is your misinterpretation. Babylon and Jerusalem have run in parallel; just like the two trees in the garden, two brothers in the womb of Rebekah, two kings of Israel, two sons of the first woman and so on, and so are two cities. You get deceived by Satan who deceived Eve in the garden and pay for it.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
      It is a mystery, her name is Mystery Babylon, not Babylon. Were does Muslims come from is it not Persia? The old Babylon Empire.

  172. Levi says:

    She was spiritually called Sodom and Egypt and in her was our Lord crucified BUT SHE IS NOT BABYLON, PERIOD!

  173. Levi says:

    You need to think this way as well. When God calls Jerusalem Sodom and Egypt then why didn’t He call her Babylon?

  174. Ron Murphy says:

    Why was she called Egypt? Was it not because of her adultery with her idols? But do you not know that her adulteries were more so with Babylon than any other nation? Then why wasn’t she called Babylon instead of Egypt. It’s because her name is Mystery Babylon.

  175. Ron Murphy says:

    The old wife Has to be destroyed and dead, before a new bride can be taken. All blessing written are for this new bride.

  176. Levi says:

    Have you lost your mind? Since how many years Jerusalem Sodom s fallen wretched? Into whose hands is the temple of Jerusalem since then? Has Israel invited other countries to come and build temples and mosques there? Since when have they got independence? They have lost the status as a nation since 70 AD and you are so blind in trying to prove that she is the Mother of harlots?

  177. Levi says:

    My God is not a wife killer.

  178. Levi says:

    And remember that is your interpretation of saying God has to destroy one to get another. That is a cheapest thinking and definitely it comes from the vilest of creatures, the devil.

  179. Levi says:

    So what? When it is called a mystery then it is still a mystery. It never says that it is Jerusalem

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
      Have you any wisdom?

  180. Levi says:

    Hmm! So she destroyed herself and her husband God was a mute spectator?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      No He pleaded with her.

      Luk 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
      Luk 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

  181. Levi says:

    He said He would punish her but Satan wants it to be destroyed

    • Ron Murphy says:

      God will use satan to destroy the old kingdom. It shall be given up to him, according to the Prophet Daniel.

      Dan 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.

      Dan 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      satan want the kingdom for himself, and he will reign 3 1/2 years from her.

  182. Levi says:

    Just by drawing scriptures you cannot just prove your point and keep God said it; that is what exactly Satan did and tried to deceive Jesus. He is smart and he knows scriptures too.

  183. Levi says:

    I have enough wisdom of God to say that it is Not Jerusalem. But you have another wisdom blended with pride which is very clear to me

  184. Levi says:

    If it is the Antichrist why would God punish Jerusalem? That’s sheer injustice.

  185. Levi says:

    Luke 13:34&35 still proved that Jerusalem will say finally that blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Again it proves it is not hopeless Babylon

  186. Levi says:

    Another point to think for you now. Why would the saints take something that is destroyed by God as it is the mother of harlots?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Zec 12:6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.

      Jer 9:11 And I will make Jerusalem heaps, and a den of dragons; and I will make the cities of Judah desolate, without an inhabitant.

      Jer 26:18 Micah the Morasthite prophesied in the days of Hezekiah king of Judah, and spake to all the people of Judah, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Zion shall be plowed like a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of a forest.

      Mic 3:12 Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.

  187. Levi says:

    How could he saints accept Messiah?

  188. Levi says:

    Anyway. Even at the end of the tribulation Jerusalem is still there along with heavenly Jerusalem

    • Ron Murphy says:

      No it’s not . God said it shall be heaps.

      Luk 21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
      This is Jerusalem He was referring to.

      Isa 40:4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:

      Eze 22:19 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye are all become dross, behold, therefore I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem.
      Eze 22:20 As they gather silver, and brass, and iron, and lead, and tin, into the midst of the furnace, to blow the fire upon it, to melt it; so will I gather you in mine anger and in my fury, and I will leave you there, and melt you.
      Eze 22:21 Yea, I will gather you, and blow upon you in the fire of my wrath, and ye shall be melted in the midst thereof.
      Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
      Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of
      So if the Mount of Olives split into , I would say Jerusalenm is toast.

  189. Levi says:

    If God will use Satan to destroy Jerusalem then God will destroy Satan and then restore Jerusalem

  190. Levi says:

    These are all the punishments to Jerusalem but that doesn’t prove it is Babylon

  191. Levi says:

    You will never be able prove that Jerusalem is the mother of harlots. No matter how many scriptures you draw out which only say that the Lord will punish Jerusalem for her iniquities but it will never be destroyed completely while Babylon will be destroyed in such a way that it will never be inhabited again

  192. Levi says:

    But the Lord will destroy Satan when the time of transgressors is full

  193. Levi says:

    If the Jews will accept he Antichrist then why will he destroy Jerusalem? He will destroy those who have accepted the antichrist

  194. Levi says:

    I would have heaped up verses which says the restoration of Jerusalem if I was on pc

    • Ron Murphy says:

      The restoring is a fact, but do not confuse place or land with the city. The land will be converted according to Zech. 14:4. The city will be restored after it is destroyed. as spoken of in Luke 21:6. When Christ returns all this will be done, He is able to do all things, as He wills.

  195. Levi says:

    You are wrong. There will be other male, female, married and other unmarried Jews who will be saved. No gentiles

  196. Levi says:

    You are wrong. It is Babylon which will never be inhabited but Jerusalem will be restored

  197. Levi says:

    Jeremiah 30:17-18 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the LORD; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.
    Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob’s tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.

    Jerusalem shall be builded upon her own heap. Alright?

  198. Levi says:

    You say that Jerusalem will be restored and then Babylon will not be restored and then you say Babylon is Jerusalem. If Jerusalem is Babylon, then it shouldn’t be restored but Jerusalem is restored then that means Jerusalem is NOT Babylon

    • Ron Murphy says:

      No Jerusalem is not Babylon. Jerusalem is called Mystery Babylon. It is not the old Babylon, just like it is not the old Egypt, or the old Sodom, either.

  199. Ron Murphy says:

    Thank you I was looking for that one. Now:

    Jer 30:18 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob’s tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.

    Now do you see Jersulem was destroyed into heaps and not one stone was left upon another. So she is restored upon her own heaps, Yes that is correct.

  200. Levi says:

    So will it be in the future. Jerusalem is still not restored completely. She still remains in the hands of the gentiles

    • Ron Murphy says:

      It will be restored when Christ come back to reign in his earthly kingdom from Jerusalem. He said even the temple would be as the former one. Jer. 30:17-18.

  201. Levi says:

    It is not even the mystery Babylon. Babylon is different which I am not able to tell you concretely but it isn’t Jerusalem

  202. Levi says:

    Whatever, but you agree that it will be restored right? Even if it becomes heap or toast, it will be restored finally

  203. Ron Murphy says:

    Absolutely, it will be restore to the former kingdom of Solomon kingdom and better. All the kingdom blessing will be implemented. The raptured saints will reign with Christ from Jerusalem, over all the nations of the world.

  204. Levi says:

    Amen Ron and now we are talking. I am so glad.

  205. Ron Murphy says:

    Me to , brother, Praise the Lord.

  206. Ron Murphy says:

    We both are learning and that is good in the eyes of the Lord.

  207. Levi says:

    Jeremiah 50:39 Therefore the wild beasts of the desert with the wild beasts of the islands shall dwell there, and the owls shall dwell therein: and it shall be no more inhabited for ever; neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation.

    Now his is Babylon which will never be inhabited again but Jerusalem will be inhabited. That difference should itself tell us that the mystery, Babylon the great is not Jerusalem.

    I got to sleep now. Good night. Praise the Lord

    • Ron Murphy says:

      This is not the Mystery Babylon, but this is Babylon, unless He is referring to Jerusalem here. That I can not say. Remember this is prophecy. It may or may have not been fulfilled yet. Rest well , Brother. God watch over you.

      • Levi says:

        Sorry for the long post. I tried to shorten it but there are some who just don’t see it, so I had to put it in detail.

        First let me clarify:
        It is not Mystery Babylon but it is Mystery, Babylon the great….

        There is a comma between Mystery and Babylon which means to say that the whole of the identification of this Whore is mystery or hidden. It will not be revealed until this particular time.

        Now, let us see the similarities here about the events:

        Jeremiah 50:39 Therefore the wild beasts of the desert with the wild beasts of the islands shall dwell there, and the owls shall dwell therein: and it shall be no more inhabited for ever; neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation.

        Revelation 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

        Jeremiah 50:8 Remove out of the midst of Babylon, and go forth out of the land of the Chaldeans, and be as the he goats before the flocks.
        Jeremiah 51:6 Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this is the time of the LORD’S vengeance; he will render unto her a recompence.
        Jeremiah 51:45 My people, go ye out of the midst of her, deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the LORD.
        Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

        Jeremiah 50:13 Because of the wrath of the LORD it shall not be inhabited, but it shall be wholly desolate: every one that goeth by Babylon shall be astonished, and hiss at all her plagues.
        Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

        Jeremiah 50:15 Shout against her round about: she hath given her hand: her foundations are fallen, her walls are thrown down: for it is the vengeance of the LORD: take vengeance upon her; as she hath done, do unto her.
        Jeremiah 50:29 Call together the archers against Babylon: all ye that bend the bow, camp against it round about; let none thereof escape: recompense her according to her work; according to all that she hath done, do unto her: for she hath been proud against the LORD, against the Holy One of Israel.
        Revelation 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

        Jeremiah 51:9 We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reacheth unto heaven, and is lifted up even to the skies.
        Revelation 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

        Jeremiah 51:13 O thou that dwellest upon many waters, abundant in treasures, thine end is come, and the measure of thy covetousness.
        Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that
        sitteth upon many waters:

        This should be the eye opener to all who call Israel a sinner and not forgiven and forsaken. His mercies are from everlasting to everlasting.
        Jeremiah 51:5 For Israel hath not been forsaken, nor Judah of his God, of the LORD of hosts; though their land was filled with sin against the Holy One of Israel.

        BABYLON will never be inhabited again.
        Jeremiah 50:13 Because of the wrath of the LORD it shall not be inhabited, but it shall be wholly desolate: every one that goeth by Babylon shall be astonished, and hiss at all her plagues.
        Jeremiah 50:39 Therefore the wild beasts of the desert with the wild beasts of the islands shall dwell there, and the owls shall dwell therein: and it shall be no more inhabited for ever; neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation.

        BUT JERUSALEM will be again inhabited: Glory to God.
        Jeremiah 30:18 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob’s tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.

        The Lord is so merciful unto His people:
        Ezekiel 36:33 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded.
        Ezekiel 36:34 And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by.
        Ezekiel 36:35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.
        Ezekiel 36:36 Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it.
        Ezekiel 36:37 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock.
        Ezekiel 36:38 As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          I have studied Jer. 50 many times. I believe the similitude is give unto Jerusalem because of the punishment and because of her sins.

          Rev 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
          I know most of the Apostles where killed in Jerusalem. I know for a fact that all the Prophets where killed in Jerusalem.

          Luk 13:33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

          • Levi says:

            I don’t believe so. Why would He mention Babylon instead of Jerusalem here? He has pronounced the punishment to Jerusalem in many other places which you have already quoted why couldn’t he here? So that which belongs to Babylon is to Babylon and you cannot spiritualize it and have Jerusalem take its place.

            The Bible doesn’t even mention any of the apostle that was killed in Jerusalem. I tried to look up from other sources, I didn’t find one. Could you care to share if you have?

            I am sure this Mystery, Babylon the great is a system. It is not a city. This system is found everywhere, even in Jerusalem. The whole world trusts in this system. I am yet to recognize what system is it. As it is a Mystery. I don’t think it would be revealed till the end of days.

            It cannot be Jerusalem for the reasons that I have already mentioned.
            This system cannot be inhabited, which means, no one will trust her and there will be no following thereafter.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            It is spiritualized when He called her Mystery.

          • Levi says:

            Still a mystery is a Mystery until it is revealed.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
            I can not dispute the Bible.

          • Levi says:

            Revelation 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

            What about this?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

          • Levi says:

            And where does this verse say, that it is Jerusalem? Is it not Babylon which is the great city?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Where is Babylon I don’t see her no where. It must be Mystery.

          • Levi says:

            OK. Mystery, Babylon the great. Alright??? Lol. But it is still not Jerusalem. Lolzzz

  208. Levi says:

    Good that I have met you Ron. Praise God for letting us meet each other.

  209. STL says:

    RON: you said you obey, God!

    Do you completely obeyed God?

    So your not a sinner?

    Because sinners fail God, in obeying all his commands?

  210. suez says:

    NTEB: would it be possible to number the comments to the comments??? LOL It is really hard to go find the comments to our own comments, without scrolling all the way through down the whole thing….takes so much time? Just wondering. Does this make any sense??? :) Thanks.

  211. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

    The redeeming here do not mean raptured it means washed in the blood of the Lamb. To become God child. To be born again, By the redeemer, Jesus Christ.

    • Levi says:

      Ron: You may be right. But we need to consider the following verses as well

      Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.
      Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
      Revelation 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

      Why ,b>I think these 144k are raptured, is because of:
      1. They are with the Lamb wherever He is
      At this time I think the Lord is in heaven. The reference that makes in the first verse that John notices Jesus standing on the Mount Sion with 144k is heavenly and not earthly. Note this
      Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

      2. They are faultless before the throne of God
      They are before the throne of God again, it points to heaven.

      3. They are the firstfruits not only to God but unto the Lamb as well.
      The firstfruits cannot be offered here on earth. These 144k are offered unto God and to the Lamb as firstfruits of the harvest which was soon going to follow in the same chapter.

      This is just my opinion.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Well , Brother it could be talking spiritually walking, that’s how I see it. And without fault before the throne is because of Jesus, just as we are without fault before the throne even now. Is this not Jacobs Remnant, Promised to him from God , if so they will repopulate the new Jerusalem and Israel. Obadiah 19-21 clarifies the land being divided between the children of Israel, by the tribes. I believe these 144000 will be selected to do that, that is the reason for picking the pacific number. 12000 from each tribe. That is why they are virgins, also. Their will be wives left in Israel of the Jews or in the other nations.

  212. STL says:

    News: The north pole move 161 miles in the last 6 months toward Siberia, there predicting worest weather in coming months. they believe the north pole will be next to Siberia with 1 year.

  213. Levi says:

    Suez: I know you would be frustrated to see my long post #488. I am sorry. But I just put there so that it could clear the point that the Mystery, Babylon the great is not Jerusalem. The Lord just helped me to find those words and I shared them here.

  214. Ron Murphy says:

    Levi, look at Rev. Chapter 19. We see the Great whole got what was coming to her from God. Then in verse 6 we see were the Lord God omnipotent reigneth., We know that He took the Kingdom and now reigns in her from Jerusalem. Now in verse 7 we see the wife, the bride of Christ having the marriage supper. It’s it strange these two women are located so close together in scripture, the whole and the bride. I believe the marriage supper to be the 1000 year reign of the saints with Christ, until the Bride, the New Jerusalem, comes to earth.

    • Levi says:

      That does not prove the Mother of harlots is Jerusalem. I can pick up such close incidences and if I try to link them, that won’t work.

  215. Ron Murphy says:

    If time is close as it appears. then Babylon has not been built as of yet. at lest not to the spects of Revelation. With the temple being built in Jerusalem and all the attractions it will be the biggest vacation spot in the world. All Jews and Christians alike will want to go see the temple of Solomon. And With peace being Givin from the antichrist it will happen, for a while. We see in Daniel and Thess. the antichrist will reign from Jerusalem, setting in the set of God, saying he is God.

    • Levi says:

      That is why I told you that it is a Mystery, Babylon the great. You cannot get it until it is revealed and that will be done at that moment of time.

      The rest of the things like the temple being built and so people visiting it are all assumptions. As for vacation spot, Jerusalem is still a vacation spot.

      It still does not prove that the great whore of Revelation is Jerusalem.

  216. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

    Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

    Jerusalem was built on 7 hills called mounts in John’s time.

  217. Ron Murphy says:

    Why is no one saying Jerusalem is the Harlot? The evidence is overwhelming. But no one dares to say it. Is there a reason? I ask why not?

    • Levi says:

      There are hundreds and thousands like you who are saying that Jerusalem is the Harlot and as the day approaches the numbers will increase.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        God Bless you, Brother. God will reveal.

        • Levi says:

          Thank you Ron. I am sure He does. Not once He has failed me and I have proved that to you.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            What do you mean by that that, you proved to me? Do you feel you are so right you proved me wrong? You didn’t prove anything , Brother, not at all.

          • Levi says:

            First thing your pride has blinded you so much that you misread the sentences. I told you that He answers my prayers and I came back with the answers.

            Secondly, now that you have asked me, at least in these three I have proven you, Mr. Ron, wrong: :)

            1) The trumpet judgments and the vial judgments are not the same
            2) There are not two 144k categories of people
            3) The times of gentiles is about the transgressors and not about Christian believers.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            God Bless you, regardless of your insults, brother. As you speak, so be you.

          • Levi says:

            It is not the insults but I just want you to see before being so presumptuous about anybody. Yet, if you think that it is an insult, so be it but correct yourself. Do not misread sentences.

  218. Levi says:

    Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of ALL that were slain upon the earth.

    And the blood of ALL that were slain upon the earth was found in Jerusalem?????? Lol

  219. Ron Murphy says:

    The Blood of all that was slain upon the earth Babylon ????? Lol. Now you are getting nasty again.

    • Levi says:

      I am not getting nasty. This is what you meant and I am just laughing at it.

      because it is you who is trying to prove that the Mystery, Babylon the great, Mother of harlots is Jerusalem and in the same chapter of Rev 18, at the end, it says that the blood of all that that were slain upon the earth was on this Mother of Harlots and because you are saying it is Jerusalem, I just laughed at what you said. I don’t say that, but the Bible says that it is the upon Babylon and you laugh at the word of God???

      But you laughing back on me shows how soon you lose your temper when you get cornered. Sorry Ron. You are not a patient teacher.

  220. Ron Murphy says:

    Mystery Babylon, is not Babylon.

    • Levi says:

      But the Bible says so. The Bible says it is Mystery, Babylon the great and that is it and to say that it is not Babylon is…………???

      • Ron Murphy says:

        I’m talking literal here. Why do you persist in proving me wrong, even though I’m right? Even you said it was New York, so Is New York , literally Babylon ? You prove nothing. And maybe I have not proven Jerusalem to be Mystery Babylon, but it does appear to be according to scripture. I believe it is, so. Because it is so. You don’t have to believe Thomas, but it is so you will see when you touch the scars of His hands and feet.

  221. Ron Murphy says:

    Jerusalem will be built against in her own place. The temple will be restored and the city, for the reign of Christ. But the harlot will be destroyed forever more never to rise again. I believe the earth quake of the mount of Olives splitting into to make a wide valley will move the old fallen city to the north and out of the way for Christ to rebuilt the new city for the 1000 years.
    It is the location God is concerned about not the old City, He will destroy her. He will destroy Mystery Babylon, the Mother of Harlots.

    Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

    The Kingdom Age!
    Zec 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
    Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

  222. Levi says:

    You are bent in proving that it is Jerusalem but I am not doing that, that is New York. I just assumes it. I know it is a mystery which is not yet revealed.

    Thomas? Who me? Just because I did not believe you? Why should I believe you? Just because i did not believe that the harlot is Jerusalem? Lol. Very funny.

  223. Ron Murphy says:

    Mystery Babylon is not literally Babylon, it is spiritually call Babylon. Because He called her Sodom and Egypt, spiritually, He called her Babylon spiritually, also. I’m sorry for you that God did not print it out black and white for you, Levi. But Please understand He has his purpose why He didn’t.

  224. Ron Murphy says:

    Why would God call New York, a harlot? Why would God call Babylon a harlot? Has they not always been these things to him? It is His beloved that has betrayed Him. The broke His first and foremost commandment. Thou shalt have no other god’s before Me.

  225. Ron Murphy says:

    Where do all religions originate? Is it not from Noah after the flood. But it wasn’t long before Nimrod came along to create all the false religions of today. Hence the King of Babylon. They have invaded all the Great religions of today. The world system and the biggest Christian church of today. The Illuminati, the Occult, the Catholic Church, all have ties back to her. How many of these are now in Jerusalem, and how many will be added to her when she begins to prosper. All religions are tied to Jerusalem. Why would she not be the Mother of Harlots?

  226. Ron Murphy says:

    Has not the world drunk of this cup at her hand? How much more so when the antichrist reigns in her?

  227. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

    Isa 40:2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD’S hand double for all her sins.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      When will her sins be Pardoned?

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

  228. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
    Who would say such a thing? Has not the Jews always been haughty about their faith, Shall see no sorrow, are they not looking for their messiah, to rule the world?

  229. Levi says:

    He has called many other cities also as Sodom and Gomorrah not only to Jerusalem

  230. Ron Murphy says:

    Many say it is Rome, but would not Jerusalem be more apt to deceive the world of all the sorceries, once the antichrist sets up/ Do you not know the abomination of Desolation will speak from Jerusalem in the temple of God? Yes it will, Scripture clarifies that clearly. A man understanding dark sentences, as Daniel said.

    Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

  231. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
    Did we not see Kerry offer Palestine $4 billion to invest? Do you not see prophecy unfolding before your eyes?

  232. Levi says:

    Jews are proud of their God and if they are not then they would be liars.

  233. Levi says:

    If the US builds mosques and temples then, if you are God then you would hold the Red Indians responsible. That’s insane. Glad that our God is not like you.

  234. Levi says:

    I have shown you the scriptures of Jer 50 & 51. If you are blind then I can’t help it.

  235. Levi says:

    I can see a 100 times haughtiness in you. I don’t know how should God deal with you in that case

  236. Levi says:

    So you mean to say that the evil that is happening is all because of Jerusalem right? It is God’s people who is responsible for all of this. Gos has called many other nations harlot as well, not only Jerusalem.

  237. Levi says:

    Only the Jew haters like you will argue against me.

  238. Levi says:

    Whenever the Lord thinks Jerusalem to pardon but for Babylon it will never be pardoned.

  239. Levi says:

    Joseph was also rejected. Our Lord is greater than Joseph who forgave his brothers

  240. Levi says:

    Lol. Kerry gave money to whom? To develop Jerusalem? To the Jews? To the Israelites?

  241. Ron Murphy says:

    Eze 14:23 And they shall comfort you, when ye see their ways and their doings: and ye shall know that I have not done without cause all that I have done in it, saith the Lord GOD.

    Isa 14:25 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.
    Isa 14:26 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.
    Isa 14:27 For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?

  242. Ron Murphy says:

    Jer 26:3 If so be they will hearken, and turn every man from his evil way, that I may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings.

  243. Levi says:

    Why would God call other cities harlot? For the same reason he could call Babylon a harlot. He has called many other cities harlot

  244. Ron Murphy says:

    Isa 51:17 Awake, awake, stand up, O Jerusalem, which hast drunk at the hand of the LORD the cup of his fury; thou hast drunken the dregs of the cup of trembling, and wrung them out.

  245. Levi says:

    Jews did not bring that Dome of the rock. They did not ask the people to come and visit them to worship there. Everything that has happened is in their absence and is beyond their control. One wrong move, the whole world piece would crumble. If she is the harlot if revelation which the Lord is going to destroy, why would Jesus go in and cry looking at the temple? Why would He even feel anything? Why would He wait till the end of the age to destroy that city? Why would God even care to bring back Israelis from all he world and give them their land? Why would Jerusalem even live today? Just to be destroyed? There is hardly anything left for it to be destroyed now. She is not even sitting as a queen. She is not even richer than Rome right now. She was already destroyed in 90 AD why would the Lord restore her if she had already rejected Him?

  246. Ron Murphy says:

    God’s purpose, why do you question? I’ve already proven that Jerusalem is destroyed. Now are you denying?


    Ron Murphy:

    Thank you I was looking for that one. Now:
    Jer 30:18 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob’s tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.
    Now do you see Jersulem was destroyed into heaps and not one stone was left upon another. So she is restored upon her own heaps, Yes that is correct.

  247. Ron Murphy says:

    Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
    Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
    Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
    Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
    Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
    Mat 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

  248. Ron Murphy says:

    Don’t you understand nearly the whole Bible is about Jerusalem? Revelation is the closing of a chapter for her, and the opening of another that is eternal.

  249. Ron Murphy says:

    Let’s make it clear.

    Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

    Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

  250. Ron Murphy says:

    This is not my words , nor is it my work, It belongs to God. It is He who loves you! Be blessed, Brother, be blessed.

  251. Levi says:

    Those God’s words and these are your interpretations. Big difference. I wish you understand and without hatred to the people of God who are still more than just 144k in number. The 144k are just the firstfruits. You are not even looking at the harvest.

  252. Levi says:

    From Abel to Zacheus, it is OT and all the righteous blood was of Israel, whether they were killed in or outside Jerusalem but for Babylon it is in Revelation, during end times where Jerusalem is not even rebuilt. See how you use scriptures to twist and present it. No wonder Eve got deceived not being careful

  253. Levi says:

    Every Word of evil of Jerusalem that you are quoring here is the punishment and has also promise if rebuilding he city, where as there cities like Tyre, Sidon, Babylon of whose destruction you’ll find in Revelation, it will never be built again. The destruction is forever

  254. Levi says:

    Don’t you understand the whole Bible is NOT about destruction of Jerusalem? You will see what you want to see. I see the rebuilding of Jerusalem.

  255. Levi says:

    Oh one more thing. Where was Jerusalem when Abel was killed? It was not even born. So who was the More referring to when He said the blood of all the righteous men from Abel to Zacharias is upon you? Is it Jerusalem? He was talking to the Pharisees, which I understand is a system, a generation of vipers, not at all Jerusalem. Babel was before Jerusalem If I am not wrong. Babel was found by Nimrod. Where was Jerusalem then? I think He is referring to the devil’s system. Jerusalem shall be rebuilt.

  256. Levi says:

    You will see through out the Bible that though the people of God accepted the system, they were punished, not destroyed, but restored. Adam was punished but then restored. With all those people of God being punished for their foolishness of being deceived and accepting the devil’s system they were all restored later.

  257. Ron Murphy says:

    Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
    Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
    Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
    Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

  258. Ron Murphy says:


    Levi:

    Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of ALL that were slain upon the earth.
    And the blood of ALL that were slain upon the earth was found in Jerusalem?????? Lol

  259. Ron Murphy says:

    Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth

    Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee,

    Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

  260. Levi says:

    Where was Jerusalem when Abel was killed?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      It did not exist, but his blood shall be upon Jerusalem.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        That’s the point, his blood will be required of Her, Jerusalem, still even though He was not in the city. All righteous blood will be require of Jerusalem, not Babylon or New York.
        But then again who know where Abel was killed? It might of been right there.

  261. Levi says:

    Matthew 23:37-39 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
    Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
    For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

    But there is no hope for the evil system.

  262. Levi says:

    Harvest of 1000 years? Where did you get that from? Lok

  263. Levi says:

    Harvest of 1000 years? Where did you get that from? Lol

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Jer 30:19 And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.
      Jer 30:20 Their children also shall be as aforetime, and their congregation shall be established before me, and I will punish all that oppress them.

      Zec 8:3 Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts the holy mountain.
      Zec 8:4 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; There shall yet old men and old women dwell in the streets of Jerusalem, and every man with his staff in his hand for very age.
      Zec 8:5 And the streets of the city shall be full of boys and girls playing in the streets thereof.
      Zec 8:6 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If it be marvellous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in these days, should it also be marvellous in mine eyes? saith the LORD of hosts.
      Zec 8:7 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will save my people from the east country, and from the west country;
      Zec 8:8 And I will bring them, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God, in truth and in righteousness.

  264. Levi says:

    How would someone be responsible when he did not even exist? That’s even more funny

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

      How many times will you dispute the words of Jesus, are you greater than He?

  265. Levi says:

    That’s Ron’s judgment! Ha ha ha

  266. Levi says:

    Ron: amen for Joel 3:20

  267. Levi says:

    Did He say that to Jerusalem or to the Pharisees? Why are you falsely accusing God’s people? Are you more righteous than Him to not forgive Jerusalem?

  268. Levi says:

    It is the devil who is looking for a perpetual destruction of Jerusalem and God’s people. He comes in many forms; like Cain a brother of the righteous Abel and a Pharisee like those who sit in Moses’ seat. And even today among brethren in God’s church; always looking for the destruction looking for destruction. This is what Babylon did and judgement came on it Jer 50 & 51

  269. Levi says:

    We need to be careful when it comes to judgement; Interpreting he word of God pertaining to judgement. We walk as we interpret His word, making us to depart from the truth. Finally, the consequences that come for not walking in truth would be dire. We alone would be responsible. However the Lord will not forsake us forever even if we have sinned. He will punish us but He will gather us again in mercy. His arm is stretched out still. That is why it is written that His mercies are FOREVER. HIS MERCIES ENDURETH FOREVER.

  270. Levi says:

    It wasn’t NYC or Babylon. Why would He give hope to them either? Is He expecting that they should accept Him who comes in the name of the Lord? No, He is not. He is expecting that from Jerusalem because it is possible but in Babylon it is not possible and hence a perpetual destruction on Babylon in the end, without remedy.

  271. Ron Murphy says:

    Well it’s about time!!1 I’ve been saying that all day, now you finally admit it’s not Babylon or New York.

  272. Levi says:

    Could be. But why is Jerusalem responsible for it? It is the evil people, the descendants of Cain who did not want their brothers, the prophets to teach the truth. He says about Abel to Pharisees and not to Jerusalem. Though some prophets did die in Jerusalem because God dwelt in the temple in Jerusalem. But for Babylon in Revelation, it is the blood of ALL saints of the earth on Babylon. Not just OT saints but every saint even until the end, even during the time when Jerusalem was laid in ruins. Babylon the great is a system and not any city. I just assumed it, it could be NYC but I did not hold on to it neither I tried to convince anybody of it. But it is in NO WAY THE CITY OF JERUSALEM

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Well if Jesus would of said the blood was required of them I might agree with that, But He did say “shall be”, and “may come all”, so that is prophesied for future use so Dan said this was to happen at the end.

      Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

  273. Levi says:

    But I did not hold on to either of them. That is your prejudice that I kept saying that it is NYC or Babylon. Babylon as a city doesn’t even exist. You are so wanting to celebrate victory. Lol. Do you want to enjoy it, then take it Ron. Have it, you have won and I have lost. Fine? Happy? Ha ha ha

    • Ron Murphy says:

      It not about winning with me. It’s about teaching God’s word as He has told me to do, But I needed you to help with that, because you have been greatly used of God, even though you may not realize it. Thank you, Brother for helping me expound on the word.

  274. Ron Murphy says:

    Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

    This whole Judge of end time was upon the Jews and Jerusalem, the last week of this prophecy is yet to be fulfilled.

  275. Levi says:

    But sorry your explanation did not help me at all but it was misleading instead. Thanks be to God who has given me wisdom to understand His light. Mystery, Babylon the great is still a mystery and cannot be Jerusalem. It might not be NYC or Babylon itself either but it is a mystery which the Lord is soon going to reveal.
    Don’t be puffed up dear Ron. You are not teaching God’s word. You are teaching YOUR word using GOD’S WORD :)

    ‘May come’ on whom? Jerusalem or on the Pharisees? These were the generation of vipers, they were of their father the devil. They were all murderers like their father Cain. ‘Shall be’? Where did you find that?

  276. Ron Murphy says:

    Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
    My mistake ” shall come”

  277. Ron Murphy says:

    Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

    This isn’t taking about Babylon this is Indignation upon Jerusalem.

    Dan 8:19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

    Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

  278. Ron Murphy says:

    Notice the word “determined” in verses Dan. 9:24 & 11:36

  279. Levi says:

    No, the indignation is upon Babylon, the king and not upon Jerusalem. Sorry, you misinterpreted it again. If I have a net and if I have caught fish in which there are good fish and bad fish then I will cleanse the net by taking away the bad fish from the net and not by burning the net itself. Lol. It is so simple to understand.
    That determination is about God cleansing the holy city not destroying the city. But He will destroy the Babylonian system which is trying to hold its claim on God’s city.

  280. Ron Murphy says:

    Well at least we are getting a little closer, to the point. I feel like I’m playing inch worm, with you. Brother, you need to study this all out before going any further with it. I advise you to study Daniel Chapters 7, 8, 9, 11, and 12, thoroughly.

    • Levi says:

      I think so. But I have never claimed any city. I just threw some wild guesses, like it could be NYC but never held fast on to it. I have read those chapters.

      I would like to tell you one thing. Satan has had counterfeits all throughout history. Before they ate the tree of Life he made them to eat the fruit of knowledge of good and evil in the garden of Eden, brought Cain before Abel, Ishmael before Isaac, Esau before Jacob, Saul before David, Babel before Jerusalem etc. He won’t stop there, he would continue doing so in the future too. He has a trinity as well, he acts like God, bringing false peace, false safety, false fire from heaven, false miracles, even so much that he will be a false messiah, the antichrist. So he is very good in counterfeiting in that deceiving the world and now he has done many in making people believe that Jerusalem is that Babylon of the Revelation.

      Time and again, I have told you that Jerusalem will be re-established, rebuilt, inhabited again while Babylon will never be. Though the destruction in both cases seem the same, the end is totally different. You will find the end of Babylon clearly mentioned that the destruction in perpetual in Revelation. What more proof do you want that it is not Jerusalem? No matter how much you brag about your knowledge of knowing the ten kings and so on, but if you do not understand the mind of Christ, all your answers are wrong. Sorry to say that.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        No reason to be sorry to say that. But are you just a man to judge another, that he be right or wrong? Does not my words line with scripture? So what if this is wrong that I teach, What Great damage am I doing that you should come against my teaching. The future will hold the truth to tell. But this be my purpose, that If I tell you these things and they begin to come to pass, then you will know that you heard these thing and that your faith is not shattered, you will know that the word of God is assured. This Is not for just you but for others as well. It is God that calls, not man. If you be wrong about me, then what have you done? Don’t you fear God at all, to go fighting that which you no nothing about? Yet how quickly you are to judge? Do you feel your judgment was righteous? Just because you think you are holy, you can judge another, are you like the Pharisees? What gives you authority to judge who God calls, and who is evil?

  281. Ron Murphy says:

    You laughed at Kerry giving money to Palestine, but you probably don’t know the ten horns of the beast are mostly from Palestine. I don’t know if they accept it or not, time will tell. But I do know what great city rides on the back of Palestine. One of these ten horns is where the antichrist comes from.

    • Levi says:

      Ron: You know too much and that too all wrong. That is the problem. You cannot make out what is counterfeit and what is original.

      Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
      Daniel 7:24 And the ten horns out of
      this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

      So do you mean to say that the fourth beast is Palestine and then this Palestine will subdue the whole earth, tread it down and break the earth in pieces? From this kingdom come 10 kings.

      Sorry can’t buy it.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Nothing in God’s word is counterfeit, it is words of life. It gives life, it made life, and it raises the dead.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        These kings have no kingdom as yet? That can not be the kingdoms of Europe. They already have kings. But they shall be kings with the beast, the Palestinians (Muslims) to have control of Jerusalem, but they hate her because of the Jewish heritage. Who purposed all this?

        Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
        Rev 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
          Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

  282. Ron Murphy says:

    That is fine, I’m not sell. It is hard to prove, but I am willing to try, the main thing is to know that if it comes to pass, that God’s word is true. You were told. It really doesn’t matter who it was, but that you heard it.

  283. Ron Murphy says:

    Read Zephaniah, Amos 1 & 2, Daniel 7:8, Daniel 11:41, Ezek. 25-29, Jeremiah 45-49, and Isaiah 15-23.

    Especially read Jeremiah 25:15-38

  284. Ron Murphy says:

    Jer 9:6 Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD.
    Jer 9:7 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, I will melt them, and try them; for how shall I do for the daughter of my people?
    Jer 9:8 Their tongue is as an arrow shot out; it speaketh deceit: one speaketh peaceably to his neighbour with his mouth, but in heart he layeth his wait.
    Jer 9:9 Shall I not visit them for these things? saith the LORD: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?
    Jer 9:10 For the mountains will I take up a weeping and wailing, and for the habitations of the wilderness a lamentation, because they are burned up, so that none can pass through them; neither can men hear the voice of the cattle; both the fowl of the heavens and the beast are fled; they are gone.
    Jer 9:11 And I will make Jerusalem heaps, and a den of dragons; and I will make the cities of Judah desolate, without an inhabitant.
    Jer 9:12 Who is the wise man, that may understand this? and who is he to whom the mouth of the LORD hath spoken, that he may declare it, for what the land perisheth and is burned up like a wilderness, that none passeth through?

  285. Ron Murphy says:

    Jer 9:11 And I will make Jerusalem heaps, and a den of dragons; and I will make the cities of Judah desolate, without an inhabitant.

    Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

  286. Levi says:

    In all of your 7 posts Dan 7:23,24 is not at all addressed. You can do all the judging, threatening, bragging as much as you want later but first clarify those verses Dan 7:23,24.
    Thank you for the scriptures you have asked me to look into and I will surely do that though I have already read them before. But one thing is sure, even after all this reading it will only say much louder that Jerusalem is not the Babylon the great, the mother of harlots.
    Yes, the word of God will surely come to pass. Now what you are trying to do here is this. You are not teaching according to the word of God but the word of God according to you. That is where we get off.

    How can God counterfeit Himself? I am saying Satan has counterfeits through out the Bible. Anybody can tell you about that so if you cannot see that then there is seriously something wrong.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Just what is it you want to know about the beast? Daniel says it is a king and also a kingdom. One thing I know he’s not is Rome. Why because The beast or antichrist is a king over Persia, now that isn’t to say it can’t happen , but I do know Rome was never in Persia to dominate it.

      Dan 11:2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

      I also know He will set in the temple saying he’s god.

      Dan 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

      2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

      Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
      I believe he is from Tyre

      • Levi says:

        #619 written by Ron Murphy
        about 19 hours ago
        You laughed at Kerry giving money to Palestine, but you probably don’t know the ten horns of the beast are mostly from Palestine. I don’t know if they accept it or not, time will tell. But I do know what great city rides on the back of Palestine. One of these ten horns is where the antichrist comes from.

        You said the ten horns of the beast are from Palestine. So for this, I had to show you in Daniel where these 10 horns are coming from.
        Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
        Daniel 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

        So if you are talking about the same kings, then according to Daniel’s prophesy, Palestine should be diverse from all other kingdoms and should devour the earth, tread it down, and break it in pieces. Because according to you, from this Palestine come 10 kings. This is what I wanted to know.
        So you think this is possible?

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Yes I think it is possible, because of his riches that Daniel spoke of, and the fact the he with control all of middle east oil, therefor controlling the world economy, and becoming the son of perdition causes almost all people to believe in him, by the miracles that he does and the miracles that the false prophet does in his sight. Everyone will want that power and the beast will deceive everyone into believing they can have it. Yes it is possible. That is how the peace treaty will be pulled off, because of the ten horns giving their power to him.

          Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

  287. Ron Murphy says:

    Ron will be back in a little bit, Levi.

  288. Levi says:

    Zephaniah
    Zephaniah 3:14 Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem.
    Zephaniah 3:15 The LORD hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more.
    Zephaniah 3:16 In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem, Fear thou not: and to Zion, Let not thine hands be slack.

    JERUSALEM IS REBUILT AND BLESSED AGAIN. THERE IS HOPE FOR JERUSALEM. BUT MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT WILL BE DESTROYED WITHOUT HOPE.

    Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
    Revelation 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Old Jerusalem is this Mystery Babylon that will be destroyed without hope. The earth will plow it out of the way, when the mount of Olivet cleaves and a great valley will make room for Christ kingdom to be rebuilt in the same exact location.

      Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        This will happen when Jesus returns, back to earth.

        Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

        • Levi says:

          I have read it but it doesn’t say that it will never be inhabited. I will be rebuilt. Sorry wrong again.

      • Levi says:

        Sorry. Wrong. I don’t see any Jerusalem being destroyed without hope. That is your version.
        What are those things Jesus was saying unto them? He was not talking about Jerusalem as a city but about the temple. Moreover, this prophecy already got fulfilled in 70 AD. Yet, you see Jerusalem today.

  289. Levi says:

    Amos 1 & 2
    Amos 1:1 The words of Amos, who was among the herdmen of Tekoa, which he saw concerning Israel in the days of Uzziah king of Judah, and in the days of Jeroboam the son of Joash king of Israel, two years before the earthquake.

    The destruction which was going to occur just after two years was foretold. However if yo take that it is for the end time, then again you see Israel being promised restoration.

    Amos 9:14 And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
    Amos 9:15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.

    THERE IS HOPE FOR JERUSALEM. BUT MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT WILL BE DESTROYED WITHOUT HOPE.
    Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
    Revelation 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

  290. Levi says:

    Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

    I don’t know what exactly you wanted me to see in this.

  291. Levi says:

    Daniel 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
    Daniel 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

    The Word of God in Daniel says, this Antichrist shall ALSO come into the glorious land. This means that he has entered other nations as well. This is not very special. Because this crazy tyrant when he is up on taking over the whole world, will go on conquering. But Edom (some part of southern Israel and Jordan), Moab (Most of Jordan) and Ammon (Most of Jordan and some part of Syria) will be spared.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      He will not conquer the world through dictatorship, but through economical and religious factions to control the world. He will have enemies, his biggest enemy will be Egypt, according to Daniel 11.

      • Levi says:

        Why Egypt? What has he to do with Egypt?

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Egypt is the king of the south in Daniel chapters 8 & 11 that is clear if you would study it out. What are you doing arguing will me, if you don’t even know scripture. You should study first before coming against someone’s beliefs.

  292. Levi says:

    Ezek. 25-29
    Eze 25: Judgement against the surrounding nations of Israel
    Eze 26: Judgement against Tyrus (Today Tyre: A city in Lebanon)
    Eze 27: Tyrus riches because of it is a sea port and her trading partners
    Eze 28: Judgement against Tyrus continues with Zidon (Today’s Sidon in Lebanon)
    Eze 29: Judgement against Egypt.

    So to summarize: The judgement is the people who are against Israel. The judgement is around Israel.
    Ezekiel 28:24 And there shall be no more a pricking brier unto the house of Israel, nor any grieving thorn of all that are round about them, that despised them; and they shall know that I am the Lord GOD.

  293. Levi says:

    Jeremiah 45-49,

    Jer 45: Words of assurance to Baruch (I think he was a scribe)
    Jer 46: Judgement against all gentiles around Israel but encouragement to Israel
    Jer 47: Judgement against gentiles
    Jer 48: Judgement against Moab but assured regathering in the end.
    Jer 49: Judgement against Ammon (Amman-Jordan, Ai, Edom, Dedan and others.

    But interestingly, Israel is encouraged.
    Jeremiah 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.

  294. Levi says:

    Isaiah 15-23
    Isa 15; Judgement against Moab
    Isa 16: Judgement against Moab continued but came to pass in three years.
    Isaiah 16:14 But now the LORD hath spoken, saying, Within three years, as the years of an hireling, and the glory of Moab shall be contemned, with all that great multitude; and the remnant shall be very small and feeble.
    Isa 17: Destruction of Damascus
    Isa 18 Judgement against Ethiopia
    Isa 19 Judgement against Egypt. However, giving hope to them of blessing.
    Isa 20: prophecy of Assyrians leading Egyptians captive
    Isa 21: Fall of Babylon by Media and of Kedar.
    Isa 22: Christ prophesied.
    Isa 23: Judgement against Tyre and Zidon

  295. Levi says:

    Jeremiah 25:15-38

    Almost all the nations of the earth made to drink the cup of the fury of the Lord

    So now tell me, Ron. What did I learn from this pertaining to the relation between Babylon the great and Jerusalem?
    Nothing. It is still the same. Jerusalem will be inhabited but Babylon will be destroyed for ever and never will be inhabited.

    Some prophecies that have been prophesied were for that time, both for the gentiles and Israel, to which you will also agree. So it is not necessary that every prophecy is going to be fulfilled during the tribulation period.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      I was not trying to prove that was Jerusalem with this scripture , I just moved on with that and went to the subject of the beast and the horns because they are related to the harlot, Jerusalem.

      • Levi says:

        It is your version of calling the Mother of harlots of revelation as Jerusalem. You didn’t prove anything.

        As I said, both these cities run in parallel and moreover, this city Babylon was long before Jerusalem became a city. That is why she is called the mother of harlots. Because before Jerusalem was born, evil already existed in this world and the murders and killing of God’s people was still going on. You cannot bring this on Jerusalem altogether. That is why I said, the Mystery, Babylon the great is not a city but a system. I don’t know what system it is but an evil system which is running the world’s govt., this is evil is running along side with Adam’s generations, even till now. This is Cain’s generation, the generation of vipers and serpents. This is in no wise be Jerusalem, whose King is our Lord our God. Whose king was Melchizedek, the first High Priest before God.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          So are you saying that Abel Adams second son. That his blood is not upon Jerusalem?

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Both of these cities run parallel, Yes that is the exact reason He call her Babylon. Don’t you see that? I disagree with you on the location of Jerusalem it dates back to the beginning of time, not the city but the place itself, Jewish scholars and historians, and Rabbis claim Mount Mariah in Jerusalem is where Cain killed Abel, they say also that Abraham offered Isaac to God on the altar on Mount Mariah, It took 3 days journey to get there for him. I believe it was where the Garden of Eden was laying on the dead sea. It is the lowest land mass on the earth.
          Jerusalem is God’s chosen place way before Jerusalem was built.

  296. Debra says:

    I agree with you Levi on this one! It’s a religious system the mother of harlots. It fits the catholic church and many of the denominational churches that have embraced Islam and homosexuality. Jack van Imp. has much info about Chrislam out on Dvds and on his program. He’s wrong on certain things but not on this subject. The bible calls her a mother of harlots. The daughters are those who came out of the catholic church that have stayed from the principles of the bible etc. Israel will be judged by God and 2/3 will be killed in the tribulation while 1/3 (144,000) Jews will be protected supernaturally during the tribulation.
    Sorry Ron, but I can’t buy your Jer. theory. I agree with a lot of stuff you post but not that Jer. is Mystery Babylon. God bless !

    • Ron Murphy says:

      No reason to be sorry, It’s not important for everyone to see this. What is important is that once it comes to fruit, that people will recognize the antichrist as soon as possible.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Zec 9:10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.
        Zec 9:11 As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.
        Zec 9:12 Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of hope: even to day do I declare that I will render double unto thee;

        Isa 40:2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD’S hand double for all her sins.

        Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

  297. Levi says:

    Debra, yes, I still don’t know what exactly is this system. I could be wrong. I don’t hold on to it. But I know for sure that it is not Jerusalem. I don’t know much about Jack van impe. I have not heard his teaching much but heard about him a lot. God bless

  298. Levi says:

    Ron: Now you don’t come up against with choler. Lol
    Would you stop bragging at least once? That does not suit a child of God. Yes, I do not know the scriptures. Even if I die knowing the scriptures by heart, I still don’t know it. How could you even feel like bragging, is beyond me. Yuks! That’s Satan’s trait.
    You say it is Egypt because of Dan 11:8? Lol. Does it been say that the king of he south is Egypt? You need to do a lot of kindergarten studies then. Yeah now I know why you keep saying that you are a teacher. My son is in kindergarten and he keeps saying the same.

    Warning! Don’t insult else you’ll get it from me so badly that you’ll not know whether to cry or laugh.

    As for me I will keep laughing :)

  299. Levi says:

    been=even

  300. Ron Murphy says:

    Am going to do a quick study on the Grecian empire in Daniel to clarify Egypt as the king of the South.

    Dan 8:21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

    This rough goat we now is Alexander The Great, all scolars and Historians will agree.

    Dan 8:22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

    This is Historical that Alexanders kingdom was split up into 4 nations.
    They are Greece, Turkey, Syria, and Egypt.

    Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

    Many feel this pastage was fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes. But Gabriel made it clear the at the time of the end shall be the vision, Dan. 8:17. And The last end of the indignation, for at the time appointed the end shall be, Dan. 8:19. And in the latter time of their kingdom, Dan 8:23.

    Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
    Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against.

    The Piont here is Alexanders Kindom splitting up in four kingdoms. And that the Antichrist will come from these four kingdoms of Alexander.

    Zec_9:13 When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim, and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece, and made thee as the sword of a mighty man.

  301. Ron Murphy says:

    Dan 11:2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.
    This Fourth shall be the antichrist. Greece was dominate in Persia, but not Rome.

    Dan 11:3 And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.
    This Alexander again. Prove by the next verse.

    Dan 11:4 And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.

    These four Kingdoms are from the Grecian Empire, as I said before these Are Greece, Turkey, Syria, and Egypt.

  302. Ron Murphy says:

    The king of the south has to be Egypt. It is geographically located for the southern king out of these four from the Grecian Empire, and she is also south of Israel and Jerusalem. If we read on into the chapter, Dan 11, then we seen this king of the south is enemy to the king of the north and the king of the north is the antichrist. So we see the king of the north, the antichrist is from the Grecian Empire of Alexander’s Kingdom.

  303. STL says:

    Ron: why are not you a preacher?

  304. Ron Murphy says:

    Never claimed to be, Pastor. That is not my calling. My calling is to teach. I would that it was to preach, also, but I don’t have the gifts to do that task. Not all have the same measure of faith, not all have the same gifts of the Spirit, and not all have the same gifts at birth. My gifts are not your gifts, and your gifts are not my gifts. My very first words to you , Sir where along these lines. I don’t forget easy. That is what makes me a teacher in God’s word, His gift to you, enjoy it or curse it, your choice. I’m not all that. I’m just a teacher. A calling almost anyone can do, nothing special, just a teacher. Just a mere man, nothing else.

    • STL says:

      You say your not a pastor or minister? You act as one, your prideful as one, your not humble, you act like your better than others, without knowledgement of scriptures. Your pride teaches you not to forget easy, but there no forgivesness to others? Your just self proclaim teacher. Just a mere man, wanting to be a teacher! You do not produce any experience as a teacher, your just a mere student of scriptures. You have not produce any documents of evidence from any religious background that you earned a degree in your teachings as a teacher of scriptures. So by your testimony we all need to think or believe your telling the truth. Satan is a teacher of scripture also, but will he deliver us to the Kingdom?

      • Let me see now , Pastor, Who was it I forgot to forgive, I’m sorry I just can’t remember. Why do you confuse wisdom with pride, they are not the same! It’s not you that I seek to please, Pastor it is the Lord, You can not judge for Him.

      • suez says:

        Personally, I don’t have much faith in those that come out of the cemeteries now days…Oh, sorry, I meant Seminaries…:) These new so called pastors are not versed in the real Bible, the King James, but are educated in Phyco-babal, and the New Age Versions. Most are not of God, but a bunch of people that have been taught false doctrines, and then go out and teach others false doctrines. Give me a good student of Gods Holy word, the King James Bible anytime!!!! You don’t have a clue what your talking about Sir or Madam, which ever the case! No one is perfect, and now we see through a glass darkly. But I know Ron is a student of the word, and as such, I will listen to him. I may not agree with everything, but that is OK, because I certainly DON’T agree with everything coming from a Pastor with a Degree either, and if you do, you are then able to be easily miss-lead! They are once again, a fleshly human, and they don’t know it all either!!!

        • STL says:

          Brenda: God allows us to Judge with righteousness!

          • Ron Murphy says:

            That was Ron, not me, Steven…I don’t get in the middle of this. But , hey, are you not human, also, just a man? With what judgment you mete, it will be returned to you. (Brenda)

        • STL says:

          Suez: You said, the real Bible is King James Version. So please explain to me, what was the real Bible before KJV?

          • suez says:

            Well e-x-c-u-s-e me for miss wording…I meant it is the closest we have now to the original manuscripts. Sorry and my most humble apologizes for not wording it correctly for you, Mr. perfect!!! :(

        • STL says:

          Suez Since your so educated in Psycho-babal. I’ll give a lession: The “Geneva Bible” preceding the KJV translation. The Geneva Bible was called tht ” Great Bible” Published in 1560.

          1st Bible ” Great Bible” in 1560
          2nd Bible “Bishops Bible” in 1568
          3rd Bible “KJV” in 1604
          4th Bible ” Authorized Version” in 1792

          New Testament translated from Greek and the Old Testament from Hebrew.

          • STL says:

            Levi: see how Suez like insulting me, I speaking in Psycho-babal?
            That the KJV is the real Bible! She needs to study before she speaks, the 1st Bible was the Geneva or Great Bible.

          • suez says:

            I wasn’t insulting you Steve Larue, lol I just was stating facts about the bibles, and those coming out of so called bible colleges today. You can change your name, but I can still see your spirit!!! :)

          • suez says:

            I’m fully aware of those facts STL But it is the Authorized. King James is the Best Bible we have today that we can understand! :) And the closest to the originals ones. the New versions are horrible!! Thanks

  305. Levi says:

    What you say could be true about the king of the south coming from Egypt, only if the Bible says that the king of the south is coming from the Kingdom of the king of Grecia. Does the Bible say so? Neither did I find that the king of the north will come from this same kingdom.
    Because the Kingdom of Grecia (Alexander) was divided into four kingdoms and was GIVEN TO OTHERS. Which means none of the four kingdoms, Greece, Egypt, Turkey and Syria is the candidate for neither King of the South or King of the North. They are completely different.

    Daniel 11:4 And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and ,b>not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.

    I could be wrong but if you could help me in showing the verse or connection where it shows that these two kings are from Alexander’s divided kingdom, that could be great.

    • Okay , then I wonder why He didn’t mention New York or maybe Babylon? You reckon this could be subject matter? It would be strange for me to be talking about Levi, when I am referring to Alaska, now wouldn’t it. He said the 4 nations out of Alexander where the 4 kingdoms divided toward the 4 winds of heaven, Dan. 11:4. That should of told you what to look for. For the very next verse called him king of the south.

  306. Levi says:

    Four winds of heaven do not limit around Jerusalem. Lol.
    Now if it is beyond Egypt, then it could be any other country than Egypt. if He could mention New York then it would have been easier to mention Jerusalem straight away. That would not have been difficult at all. That is exactly I am telling you. It is so strange that you are referring it to Jerusalem when it is talking about Babylon.
    Yes, Daniel 11:4 has told me NOT to look foe only Egypt when it says king of the south. :)
    By the way, Alexander did not rule the whole world. If the king of the south was from his kingdom then the Bible would tell us just as it did about he successors of the kings of the north.
    Now who is the daughter of the king of the south? Is she a literal woman? If the king of the south is a literal man then it has to be a literal woman right?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Why are you bringing Jerusalem back again? I thought we was on the topic of the king of the south and the king of the north. Get off of Jerusalem, for a minute. We are talking about something else here. WE are talking about the 4 kingdom out of Alexander’s Kingdom, toward the 4 winds. Egypt being the southern kingdom of the 4.

  307. Levi says:

    As if NYC was more relevant you brought this city up here.
    If you understood why I brought up Jerusalem here, you would not asked this question. The four winds of heaven should be calculated in relation to Jerusalem or NYC? Have patience Ron. You misjudge many times in your pride so try to control it for awhile. I can only conclude that the king of the south is not from Egypt as it is not mentioned but only the likes of you can make it look so.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      I can not help you if you don’t look, the problem I see here is you and Pastor want to look for faults of the man, rather than his teaching, It is not the man that is important, it’s God’s word, you should be looking at.

      • STL says:

        Ron: We are not looking at your faults as we are all sinners in life, but we examine your teachings of scriptures. As in Luke 1:3-4 It seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order. verse 4:so that you might know the exact truth about the things you have been taught.

        Then we look at: 1 Cor. 2: 5 that your faith should not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.

        Now you playing, as your the victim again?

        We believe in God’s Words as 1 Thess. 4.14-17 that we will be caught up to me the Lord before the Tribulation. And in Romans 5:9 having been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

        As NTEB Staff believes the same way!

        But your comments from a mere man, states we are wrong.

        The Tribulation is called the Wrath or Jacob’s Troubles!

        So we believe in the Words of God’s Scriptures, not your testamony. so we believe we are looking at God’s Word that directs our faith in our belief!

  308. Levi says:

    Finally, you don’t have the answer to the question. Because you are trying to prove it outside of the Bible. Otherwise you would have shown me as you love to quote scriptures. While everybody loves to do that but with relevance. You always bring about your own interpretations and say that it is the word of God. I told you. You don’t preach according to the words of God but you preach the word of God according to you. You don’t even realize it.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      It’s all history down to verse Dan. 11:21. But because you can not see the truth and because you keep rejecting the truth, I can not teach you anything. Just like the Spirit of God can not teach you anything because you can not learn the fundamentals first, how can you learn the deeper things of God. You block the Spirit from showing you things of God, that is why it takes so long for you to get answers from God. You are stiff necked. You would rather find fault more than learn, but that is not enough for you, you must come against truth, also, as if it’s your duty. Why kick against the pricks, Levi?

  309. STL says:

    Brenda: Here you go calling me as Ron’s Judge again?

    John 7:24 Do not judge according to appearance, but Judge with righteous judgement. KJV

    Proverbs 31:9 Open your mouth, judge righteously, and defend the rights of the afficted and needy. KJV

    If I disagree with any comment from Ron’s testamony, then every time, you state I’m judging him. Then why we state anything Ron says about scriptures?

  310. STL says:

    Brenda: Is your Husband Ron, right about scripture all the time?

    • suez says:

      Good ole Steve is back! I been wondering what happened to him? LOL rotflol Te he he

      • STL says:

        Suez: you sound like a 10 year old? Te he he!

        • suez says:

          No that would be you…But I am young at heart. And I don’t play games….like you. But I am glad your not calling yourself Pastor anymore. I thank you for that!! But it was so nice and quiet without you here…lol I almost missed you,,,almost!! :)

    • STL says:

      Brenda: lets look at what God says about judging others?

      Jesus said to the Pharisees, “You Serpents, you brood of vipers” how you escape being sentence to hell. Matthew 23:23
      That pretty severe judgement.

      The whole Sermon on the Mount is a series of condemnations of the evil and practices of the Pharisees. Jesus told them to judge, but with a different standard of than what they had been using: Has Moses given you the law? Yet none of you keep the law… Do not judge by appearance but judge with righteous judgement. John 7: 9,24.

      John the Baptist publicly judged King Herod for marrying his brother’s wife. Matthew 14: 3.4 ” He was a mere man.”

      Paul judged that homosexual would go to hell ( that was a harsh judgement). 1st Cor. 6: 9-10 He was a mere man.

      Peter judged about false teachers. 2 Peter 2: 17-19 He was a mere man.

      Apostle John judge any one who denies Jesus as the Christ. 1 John 2:22 He was a mere man.

      James said, purify your heart, you double minded. James 4:4-10 He was a mere man.

      “We are commanded to judge .”

      “Reprove, Rebuke, Exhort.” 2 tim. 4: 2 He was a mere man.

      ” Admonish the unruly” 1st Thess 5:17

      Paul tells the Romans Church able to admonish one other. Romans 15:14

      Do not particpate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. Eph. 5:11

      Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle disputes between the brother’s, but brother goes to the law against brother and that before unbelievers. 1st Cor. 6: 2-6

      A godly rebukes should be gladly excepted Prov. 10:17

      He who regards reproof is prudent. Prov. 29:1

      So am I allow to state my comments against Ron?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Steven,
      I let God teach me, and if Ron is lead by God, what he says, I let the Spirit confirm it, or not. And so far, the Spirit is confirming most all of what he teaches. As for all this bickering, if you have nothing better to do, then that is up to you……pride, pride, pride, is all we hear. Who’s pride is it, anyway? Instead of us judging each other, why don’t we be still and let God have His way…we all might learn something, here, and like you said before,’ where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am in the midst of them’. (Brenda)

  311. STL says:

    SUEZ: That was a nice insult: Mr. Perfect! I just love American Women? They always has the last words that comes out of their mouths of insults! As Jesus said, Brood of vipers! Like in Proverbs, a woman mouth is like a leaky noozle, it dips all the time!

  312. STL says:

    Suez: Prov. 27:15 A Constant dripping on a day of rain a contentious woman are alike.

  313. Ron Murphy says:

    Now I’m sure, Sue you can plainly see who the vipers are here can’t you? What judgment you mete you shall be judged, if it be righteous judgment then righteously you will be judged, but judge wrongfully and you will also be righteously judged. Because the Judge is righteous and He judges all.

  314. Levi says:

    Don’t you have fear to keep comparing yourself with the Spirit of God? That I can see clearly whose spirit I am listening. It is between me and my God whether I listen to Him or not. He knows the best and even better than myself. So I leave that judgement to Him not to the people who liken themselves with His Spirit. Lol.
    Whatever, you can call me. I am asking you a simple thing and you couldn’t show and is that why all this great lecture from a ‘teacher’? Ha ha ha!
    I know it teacher, who is stiff necked here. So ‘teacher’ do not call yourself my teacher. I am never taught by men and now esp. by Ron the ‘teacher’. Lol

    • Ron Murphy says:

      I would never teach you. I’m not here to teach you . You are here to hinder me, not visa versa. You have attacked my with what every you could, name calling and every other avenue you could. It is you who ask the Questions so what is it you are trying to do if not learn?

      • Levi says:

        Don’t even try. I am not here to learn anything from YOU but I will question your false teaching.
        Ron, I haven’t attacked you by name calling. It is you instead. I do not have flair for name calling like you have. You have mastered this talent. I can give you the list of names that you have called me with but I am least bothered.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Who are you to question my teaching? Are you called to do this work? Or do you talk it upon yourself to do it. And What deems you right that you can question my work? Is it that you do not agree with my rapture beliefs? Or is it that you don’t agree with me in all things? So do you deem me of the Devil? Please explain yourself.

          • Levi says:

            Who are you to ask me NOT to question anybody’s teaching? Why should I answer your questions in regard to my personal calling? You can assume all that you want. If you did not want to answer my questions then why did you try to answer them till now? But now when you do not have the answer you keep talking rubbish?
            I am not like to keep judging men. I let the Lord to judge. Whether you are of the devil or not, it is for God to see to it. Wherever I feel that there is a false teaching, I will question.

          • Levi says:

            I am not like you who keeps judging men.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            I have no reason to answer your questions, then.

          • Levi says:

            That’s better

          • STL says:

            Ron: Loss of words?

          • STL says:

            Ron: Listen to your words?
            ” WHO ARE YOU TO QUESTION MY TEACHINGS?”
            I thought we were discussing God’s teachings?

            “YOU SAID; ARE YOU CALLED TO DO THIS WORK?”
            So whose calling you? If you state God called you, then prove it?

            THEN YOU STATE,” WHAT DEEM YOU RIGHT THAT YOU CAN QUESTION MY WORK?”
            Let see: 2 Peter 2: 17-19; James 4: 4-10; 1st Thess.5: 14; Eph. 5:11; 1 Cor. 6: 2-6; Prov. 29:1
            Is that enough proveth we can question your work?

            We deem you that you do not speak well of the scriptures. If you believe your teaching comes from the devil, thats between you and Christ Jesus!

    • Joh 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
      Joh 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
      Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
      Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?
      Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
      Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
      Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
      Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

      • Levi says:

        2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Brenda here,
          Levi,
          I will not have a scripture war with you, as it will not do anyone any good.
          We could go on for days and days, not getting anywhere.
          Jesus loves you.

          • Levi says:

            Brenda,
            That’s wise. Let us not use the Word of God to judge others.
            He loves you too.

          • STL says:

            Brenda: you say, you do not want a spiritual war, and it will not do you or anyone else any good, we can go on for days, not getting anywhere.

            Where have you been? That is exactly what Ron is doing to Levi, having a spiritual war with him over the truth of scriptures?

            Why do not you tell your husband, it will not do him or anyone else any good to continue his battles with Levi?

      • STL says:

        Brenda: I’m BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN are you?

  315. Ron Murphy says:

    The bride of Christ according to Revelation is the New Jerusalem. But first a new heaven and earth are created.

    Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
    Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

    The saints are not the bride, but shall be as clothing for the bride, for we shall be in her and all over her from place to place.

    Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
    Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
    The Marriage Supper are the saints to reign with Christ. The ones that came out of great tribulation.

    Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

  316. Ron Murphy says:

    The new Jerusalem is an eternal city.

  317. Levi says:

    How merciful is our God that He did not consume the First Adam and destroy him forever to make a Second Adam, Who is Eternal!
    Ridiculous theory says that in order to have a heavenly Jerusalem, God has to destroy this earthly Jerusalem. I don’t know where they find such ‘phantoms’.

  318. Levi says:

    I thought the New Jerusalem was Everlasting and NOT
    Eternal.
    Correct me if I am wrong.

    Eternal: Without beginning and end
    Everlasting: has a beginning but no end.

    However, to err is human!

  319. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

    Eze 16:44 Behold, every one that useth proverbs shall use this proverb against thee, saying, As is the mother, so is her daughter.

    Eze 16:48 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.
    This is talking about Jerusalem here as Thou. And thy daughters, referring to the Jerusalem’s daughters and them being Harlots. If you don’t see this, then just study it. It is clear, if you read it out. I hope this helps everyone.

  320. STL says:

    Levi: We heard the same story from Ron, its a broken records! Now he’s proclaiming himself the victim again.

    Now he stating the same message as he always does, we are calling him names?

    How soon he forgets, his name calling? Like we are clowns, we’re liars, we believe in fairy tales.

  321. Levi says:

    Ezekiel 16:60 Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.

    Further in the same chapter of Ezekiel, where God called Jerusalem a harlot, He goes on to promise her that He would establish unto her an everlasting covenant.

    But where as for the Mother of harlots, Babylon the great,
    Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

    This everlasting covenant is her, that is THEE. Not another Jerusalem.

    This is the evil mind of replacement theology. It wants to plunder everything that belongs to Israel, which the Lord will never let it happen.

  322. Levi says:

    Now see the contradictions here:

    Luke 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
    Luke 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
    Luke 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
    Luke 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

    Jesus weeps over this city because of the destruction that is coming upon it.

    BUT
    Revelation 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

    Does the Lord change? He weeps at one time and then makes the heavens rejoice over the same city the next time?

    This also should conclude that this is NOT JERUSALEM.

  323. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
    Surprise everyone He’s not coming quietly He going to make so much noise the Dead will be raise and every eye shall see him. The sun will darken the moon will be red, the stars will not shine the earth is going to shake.

    1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
    It going to be a noisy time, very noisy, indeed.

  324. Levi says:

    One has to be in Spirit of the Lord to hear His voice else you will not hear.
    Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

    1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    If every dead body could hear His voice then every dead body could rise. But it is only those who are dead IN CHRIST, which means who have received His Spirit, will rise.
    Secondly, note this:
    Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

    So it is not for everyone. He will come as a thief to this world. :)

  325. Levi says:

    John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

    It is the Spirit that quickens not the flesh. So those who have His Spirit, are His sheep and they will hear His voice and they will follow Him.

  326. STL says:

    Ron: 1st Thess 4:16-17 is talking about the dead rises first then the living will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.
    How is this possible if Jesus is already on Mount Olives? The 1st Thess 4:16-17 occurs before the Tribulation as the dead and living meets Jesus in the air. But in the 2nd Coming Jesus is already on earth not in the air? At the end of the Tribulation is only the dead christians that died in the Tribulation as in Rev. 20:4 at this time there is no living one being taken up?

    As it states in 1 Cor. 15:51- Its a Mystery, it will be a silent departure to heaven, so how it going to be a noisy time, indeed.

    Or are you talking about the disappearance of christians causes car wreaks, airplanes crashing, trains crashing into each other?

    By the end of the Tribulation this whole earth will be competely different, so I do not thjink the noise will bother anyone?

  327. Ron Murphy says:

    Dan 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
    If the saints are to take the Kingdom then what kingdom was it? Well let’s ask what is the kingdom that was received? Was it not Jerusalem. So if the kingdom was taken, who was it taken from? Was it not the antichrist?

  328. Levi says:

    But the time would come when every eye shall see Him, even every flesh shall see and wail for Him. They will not be able to stand His glory. No, the flesh cannot stand the glory of the Lord because He will come with great glory.

    Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and ALL kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

    Steven was being killed saw the glory of God because He was filled with the Holy Spirit but the people around him, including Paul, then Saul couldn’t see His glory.
    Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

  329. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
    Rev 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
    Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

    Now this Kingdom is given to the antichrist which is Palestine. The same as promised to the Children of Israel.
    So the Kingdom of Christ will be Palestine and Jerusalem being the Capitol City.

  330. Ron Murphy says:

    Dan 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
    So we see him here take the Kingdom.

  331. Ron Murphy says:

    Dan 11:23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
    This is the pact he makes with Israel and Jerusalem. Right here in the good old kingdom.

  332. Levi says:

    Daniel 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

    The same question. Agreed that this is Jerusalem and it is taken from the hands of the Antichrist.
    If the Kingdom is the same Jerusalem which you say will not be inhabited as the New Jerusalem is going to replace this earthly Jerusalem, why is it written that the saints are going to possess this (earthly) Kingdom?

    Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

    If it is talking about the New Jerusalem, then one should know that this New Jerusalem was never in the hands of the Antichrist so there is no question of going and possessing it. Right?

  333. Ron Murphy says:

    Dan 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
    Right here again in the good old Kingdom.

  334. Levi says:

    Hmmm! So if the kingdom is taken by the antichrist, then the SAME kingdom is taken back by the saints right? It is the same Jerusalem. It shall be inhabited. It is NOT replaced by New Jerusalem as many believe it to be.

    BUT
    The great whore will be destroyed for ever, this kingdom will not be taken by anybody; neither by saints or by God. It will be destroyed forever.

  335. Ron Murphy says:

    Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

    Now just what indignation is He referring to?

    Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

  336. Levi says:

    So sad that the devil is using the Lord’s people to destroy Jerusalem. He has this plan since the beginning. But will that succeed? No and never will it be. His promises will remain from everlasting to everlasting.
    He did not destroy the first Adam to replace him with the Last Adam who is Eternal.
    This is the plan of God and will remain forever but the plan of Satan of replacement will be destroyed.

  337. Ron Murphy says:

    Dan 11:39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
    Again he’s referring to the temple in Jerusalem and the land of Palestine.

  338. Ron Murphy says:

    Dan 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
    This is after trouble comes and he enters into the other countries as stated in verse 40. So He comes back to Jerusalem.

  339. Ron Murphy says:

    Dan 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
    This is clearly Jerusalem. He has reigned in her and totally corrupted her. She is the Harlot City, the Kingdom of the beast, given to satan for 3 1/2 years to make her desolate. And Make the Remnant know that God is God and Jesus is His Son.

  340. Levi says:

    Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

    It is not saying ‘their transgression’ but ‘THE transgression’. Whose transgression is it anyway and who are the transgressors?
    Daniel 8:22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
    Daniel 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

    The transgressors are of these kingdoms.

  341. Ron Murphy says:

    Eze 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
    Eze 16:50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
    Eze 16:51 Neither hath Samaria committed half of thy sins; but thou hast multiplied thine abominations more than they, and hast justified thy sisters in all thine abominations which thou hast done.
    Eze 16:52 Thou also, which hast judged thy sisters, bear thine own shame for thy sins that thou hast committed more abominable than they: they are more righteous than thou: yea, be thou confounded also, and bear thy shame, in that thou hast justified thy sisters.

  342. Levi says:

    Ezekiel 35:10 Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas the LORD was there:

    Ezekiel 35:11 Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will even do according to thine anger, and according to thine envy which thou hast used out of thy hatred against them; and I will make myself known among them, when I have judged thee.

    Ezekiel 35:12 And thou shalt know that I am the LORD, and that I have heard all thy blasphemies which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, They are laid desolate, they are given us to consume.

    Ezekiel 35:13 Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them.

    Ezekiel 35:14 Thus saith the Lord GOD; When the whole earth rejoiceth, I will make thee desolate.

    Ezekiel 35:15 As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

  343. Levi says:

    Here the angel of God does intercession for Jerusalem

    Zechariah 1:12 Then the angel of the LORD answered and said, O LORD of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years?
    Zechariah 1:13 And the LORD answered the angel that talked with me with good words and comfortable words.
    Zechariah 1:14 So the angel that communed with me said unto me, Cry thou, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy.
    Zechariah 1:15 And I am very sore displeased with the heathen that are at ease: for I was but a little displeased, and they helped forward the affliction.
    Zechariah 1:16 Therefore thus saith the LORD; I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies: my house shall be built in it, saith the LORD of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth upon Jerusalem

    1) So the Lord’s angel can cry for Jerusalem in one place and then rejoice in another place for the same event, right?
    2) While the Lord will establish the one and destroy the same in another place forever, right?

    Revelation 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
    Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

    How ridiculous!!! What can we say about these heretic teachers?

  344. Ron Murphy says:

    So as you can see, It’s all about Jerusalem and Palestine, here in Daniel 11. Now, what other place would the devil want, other than God’s seat and His earthly kingdom? To show the world that he is god. And assured as the devil is used to try you and me, he will try Israel. They will accept him as their messiah, he will reign in and as the son of perdition, and set in the seat of God in the temple in Jerusalem. God will destroy the Jews and the city of Jerusalem, but He will save a remnant of 144,000, and rebuild the city again, until the holy Jerusalem comes to earth 1000 years later.

  345. Ron Murphy says:

    Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

    What is he saying seal up the vision and anoint the most Holy?

    Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

    Well that would be the way to seal it up. To finish it. It would no longer be needed.

    Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
    I’m sure when Jesus reigns, He will be anointed King, God has always anointed His chosen kings.

  346. Ron Murphy says:

    6-7-2013 Thousands celebrate gay pride week in Tel Aviv.

  347. Ron Murphy says:

    Isa_2:6 Therefore thou hast forsaken thy people the house of Jacob, because they be replenished from the east, and are soothsayers like the Philistines, and they please themselves in the children of strangers.

    Isa_2:6 Therefore thou hast forsaken thy people the house of Jacob, because they be replenished from the east, and are soothsayers like the Philistines, and they please themselves in the children of strangers.

  348. Ron Murphy says:

    Isa 32:13 Upon the land of my people shall come up thorns and briers; yea, upon all the houses of joy in the joyous city:
    Isa 32:14 Because the palaces shall be forsaken; the multitude of the city shall be left; the forts and towers shall be for dens for ever, a joy of wild asses, a pasture of flocks;
    Isa 32:15 Until the spirit be poured upon us from on high, and the wilderness be a fruitful field, and the fruitful field be counted for a forest.

  349. Ron Murphy says:

    Isa 49:13 Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for the LORD hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted.
    Isa 49:14 But Zion said, The LORD hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me.
    Isa 49:15 Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee.

  350. Ron Murphy says:

    Isa 54:6 For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
    Isa 54:7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.

  351. Ron Murphy says:

    Isa 60:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
    Isa 60:15 Whereas thou hast been forsaken and hated, so that no man went through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations.

  352. Ron Murphy says:

    I am not a Jew hater, neither am I a blasphemer, but neither is God. These are his words, not mine. People should be careful what they say about the words that give life.

  353. Levi says:

    If Israel is God’s earthly kingdom, will He reject it forever? He will establish it again. If it written that He is going to destroy Israel then it is ALSO written that He will build it again. Satan will deliberately want us to miss this point. Because He is destroyer of God’s people.

  354. Levi says:

    Rev 11:15, should give us more confirmation that the Kingdoms of this world have become God’s. Which means, He will set it up again in this earth only. Whereas for the heavenly Jerusalem, the Lord goes and Himself prepares this place. It was not given in the hands of any antichrist so that this heavenly Jerusalem should come back become the kingdom of our God. It was God’s from the very beginning. Since the time of Jesus’ resurrection.

  355. Levi says:

    If it is written Isa 2:6-7 about Jerusalem’s and Israel’s destruction then it is also written thus further which Satan hates to talk about and he will not even show:

    Isaiah 4:5 And the LORD will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.

    Isaiah 4:6 And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the daytime from the heat, and for a place of refuge, and for a covert from storm and from rain.

  356. Levi says:

    Remember the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Why do I have to bring up this tree again and again?

    This tree does not tell you that it is completely evil. It says that it has some good as well. Just a show off. A bit of a truth but of course some lies. Satan cannot become a 100% liar because he knows that there is some truth in humans and humans will not trust him if he comes up with 100% lies. He is sneaky and subtle. He came to Jesus with some truth but not all truth. Jesus did counter him by saying “It is also written………”.

    God’s word is not 99% truth and 1% lies but it is 100% truth. We need to see it in 100%.

    Not just pick out some verses and show it up and scream “Hey, look it is written here!!!”
    “But you fool, it is also written……………….”

    • suez says:

      Ok, brother Levi here is where I have to give my two cents worth…LOL In my opinion, the tree doesn’t have to have good, It says it has THE KNOWLEDGE OF good and evil.. There is a big difference in the wording… to me the Trees are symbolic of Satan, and Jesus. Satan has a KNOWLEDGE of good and evil…He was created by God to be over the music of Heaven..Over all the Praise of and to Almighty God!!!! He know’s about the Goodness of God and all the beautiful and good things that God created. He was there since God created the Angels!! Probably from the beginning of time, if that can even be measured or fathomed!! That is my opinion, for what it is worth!!

      • Levi says:

        Suez: You are right. Though Satan knows what is good, he cannot understand it because it is only the Spirit of God which gives understanding. It is just like the unbelievers who read the Bible and they know the truth but they will not understand it until the Holy Spirit reveals them. Even so the plans of God. Even if the plan of God is openly discussed among the believers, Satan cannot understand it though he knows it.
        This is how he made the tree of knowledge of good and evil appear good. Eve did not see any evil in it until she ate of it. It is the same even now.

        • suez says:

          Agreed!! :) He doesn’t want what is good, because that would cause him to deviate away from his plan of trying to having his throne above the Most High!!! His mind is not understood by me…thank God!!! How he can be so cleaver, and so dumb at the same time…LOL :)

          • Levi says:

            He never desires that which is good. But he knows that man will not accept if he tells all lies. That is why he is called a deceiver. You can notice this very clearly in Gen 3, he never tells Eve to eat of the fruit of the tree. He just makes her to think (sows his evil seed) and leaves her to decide.

            In fact, according to my understanding. God wanted man to eat of the fruit of the tree of Life so that he lives forever and become LIKE God (not become God himself though). In this Satan makes the woman to speak and bring in her mind to say the thing what God had told her NOT to do. From there Satan picks up the topic and just tells her that they had misunderstood what God told them. That is; did he really mean that? Satan doesn’t even tell her to take the fruit and eat. She just leaves her thinking. That is how evil Satan is.

            That is why the Lord us to be wise like serpents. Run away when danger approaches. Flee from appearance of all evil. May the Lord help us to be wise.

  357. Levi says:

    Isaiah 49:13-15

    Does it speak only about the remnant? No. But all Israel will be saved. Rom 11:26.

    Jesus did not say I prepare a Jacob and Israel for you. He said, “I go to prepare a place for you ……………….for where I am there ye maybe also”.

    Jacob and Israel are different from the New Jerusalem. The Lord will establish Jacob again. If He says that He will establish Israel then He means Israel and not New Jerusalem.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      My understanding is the 144000 will be the only ones left of the children of Jacob. They will repopulate the nation as each tribe gets the promised location in the kingdom. The rest would be destroyed in the wrath of God. Many will forsake the holy covenant according to Daniel. They will be destroyed. It is the remnant that will be saved, the only ones left.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Here is the verses for that.

        Dan 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

        Dan 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

  358. Levi says:

    It should not surprise anyone that Israel had a gay parade. Israel is a cosmopolitan country now. It is in the NT. In the OT, they were separated and chosen people but now they are not so. They do not have a temple to sacrifice, so the land is not yet holy according to the law of Moses. Israel lost its control over Jerusalem since the time of Herod-I. Even today they do not have the control. People from all parts of the world live in Israel. It is said that most people in Israel are atheists. These most people are foreigners. They are not all Israel who live in Israel. They are not all Jews who live in Israel. So the time has come for these transgressors to be full and the judgement of the Lord will pour on them and Israel will be cleansed. The Lord will send fanners and they will fan out the chaff from the land of the Lord and will cleanse them. The Lord will burn up the chaff but will collect His wheat. Yet will He not forsake His people. He will bring them back into their land and set them there.

    Jeremiah 51:5 For Israel hath not been forsaken, nor Judah of his God, of the LORD of hosts; though their land was filled with sin against the Holy One of Israel.

    Though these gay parades are going on, it is not because of Israel but it is because of the mixed people who came with them from Egypt and under the mount they went on whoring and the Lord will yet again separate His people and burn up the enemies of God.

    • suez says:

      I know this Levi, but it still is sickening to me…God must be so grieved!!! And I know there are gay Jews also!! :( Or at least ones that say they are and are not??? :)

      • Levi says:

        Suez: It is terrible to see such things happening in Churches as well for whom the Lord gave His life. They believe that He died for them but still go on in their sins. I tell you I was one of them. (Don’t take me wrong-not gay thing. Lol). I was into sin even when I accepted Christ but the time came really for my deliverance. The Lord gave me strength to throw away the chains and now I am released. When I just look back and think about those times, I get a shiver down my spine. It was impossible for me to come out of it. I mean it – it was impossible. But the Lord just did it. The Lord is a stubborn God. When He claims His own, no matter what, He will see that He will get it. He is stubborn in a good way. ;)
        Not an excuse for sinning but it reminds me of Manasseh’s life. This man was the worst king of all the kings of Judah and Israel combined. Yet, you find the Lord was intreated of him. Who gave him the heart to repent? Is it not God again? The Lord accepted his prayers, though through terrible pain and suffering. So I just want to leave judgement to God. He will have mercy on whom He will have mercy. He will pardon whom He reserves. It is all for the Lord to decide. Who am I to counsel God what He should do? But because we are going to inherit blessings (and not curses) we continue to bless (and not curse).

        Praised be the Holy One of Israel.

        • suez says:

          Yes, the Lord is amazing. The day I was Born Again, and filled with the Holy Ghost, I went home, and poured all my booze down the sink. No one told me to do it. I just felt I should. Now mind you we were not big drinkers, I was saved in the fall and had liquor in the cupboard from the New years eve party we had…several months before. A couple fifths were not even open! So when we drank, we drank very little, but we still par-took. :( I thought when I was pouring it down the drain, how much money I spent on it, “maybe I should give it to a friend” it thought??? But then the thought came to me, that I shouldn’t add to my friends sins! Now I didn’t know anything about the Bible. I just was saved that day. Who told me that??? LOL ;)

          • Levi says:

            Suez: Praise God that you came to the knowledge of His saving grace. It is His Holy Spirit who will teach you all things. He will convict us of sins. He will tell us what is sin. I would like to praise Him again for what the Lord has done to you.

          • suez says:

            Yes Levi, Praise The Lord Indeed! I am so glad we will get all eternity to thank and praise him forever, for that is what he deserves!!! Holy, Holy, Holy Lord God Almighty, who is, who was, and is to come!!! :)

  359. Levi says:

    Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

    The blindness we are seeing in Israel is happened to some only and is done by the Lord Himself. It is given to them to provoke them to Jealousy. But when the time of the fulness of the gentiles (transgressors of the antichrist) come in, this blindness will go and the Lord will open their eyes and many will see and accept the true Messiah, even Jesus Christ.

    Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

    Therefore, all Israel will be saved. There are many Jews who are good but they are blinded for sometime.

    As for the 144k, they are the elected ones who are separately chosen as firstfruits of their harvest and are sealed. They are completely immune to the tribulation period.

    Daniel 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
    Daniel 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
    So there will be some who will remain strong, some will instruct many, some will fall by the sword, fire, captivity and spoil. There will be many Jews who will die the death of martyrs. I think it is for them alone to have this martyrdom. As for the gentile church, the time of grace have been far spent.

    If we go by history, it is always through such persecution and tribulation only that Israel has been restored and the coming one would be nothing new for them except for the intensity would be too high.

    I tell you, this kind of blindness had happened to me also. I could not see what I should see though I read the Word of God several times. But when the grace of God came to me, my eyes were opened and I saw what they really meant and I felt so dumb about myself.

  360. Ron Murphy says:

    That might be alright, but there is one big problem with you theory. Please explain?

    Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
    Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
    Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

    Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

    Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

    Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
    Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
    Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
    Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

    Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

    Dan 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

    Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
    Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

    Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

    Dan 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Are you saying that the fullness of the Gentiles, is not the same as the Gentiles fulfilled?
      Isn’t it just Paul’s way of saying the same? Not everyone used the same words. You can’t expect that. You or I don’t use Obama’s words. Obama don’t use Gandhi’s words. Everyone speaks different. Paul did not speak like Daniel and you should not expect it to be worded the same. But it most certainly means the same. Fullness and fulfillment.

  361. Levi says:

    I don’t see any problem with the verses, they are perfect because I don’t see MY theory there.

  362. Levi says:

    I didn’t say anything. I just say that I don’t see any problem with scriptures. I am just saying, what is your problem I just don’t understand.

  363. Ron Murphy says:

    When Jesus takes away their sins is when the repent at the very end of tribulation, that is what is keeping Him from coming back, as soon as they except Him He will return to deliver them, only they are left out of Israel. Hence they all will be saved , just before His return. At the end of the 70 weeks of Indignation, Dan. 9:24

  364. Ron Murphy says:

    Typo: the= they repent

  365. Levi says:

    Look, either He comes first and then they will repent or they will repent first and then He will return. Which of them according to you is right? Both cannot be right.

  366. Ron Murphy says:

    They will repent and He will return, just after. When they except Him, satan will be out to destroy them because of it. The nations shall gather, to kill them all, but He will save them at the battle of Armageddon, when He returns. They will go through the wrath of God but be protected from it.

  367. Ron Murphy says:

    The whole purpose of tribulation is to bring this remnant back to God through Jesus Christ.

    Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

  368. Ron Murphy says:

    Brother I’m not out to deceive you. I love you and want to help you. I believe in you, I know God loves you. Please understand that.

  369. Levi says:

    That’s right. They will repent after their eyes will be opened and this will happen when the time of the gentiles be fulfilled, that is the fullness of the transgressors is come. These transgressors are the evil people who in support gather together against Israel. What you said is right. When their eyes are opened, they will repent and when they will repent the Antichrist will begin to kill them because that is when they will refuse to take the mark. So this evil man will continue doing that until his anger against them is fulfilled and then the wrath of God will come on him and the Lord will destroy him by the sword of His mouth.

  370. Levi says:

    I have told you several times that you are sincere but you are seeing only one side. I trust you that you are helping me. Why? Is there anything wrong with Jews (apart from 144k) getting saved during the tribulation period? It is so simple to see that the 144k are the firstfruits of the harvest that is coming in the next few verses.

  371. Ron Murphy says:

    Yes to all, but not the mark of beast, brother the indignation is at it’s end. Gentiles time are fulfilled. It all still goes back to the timing of the rapture it is the only thing we see different. I know where you are coming from, it’s okay. If you are raptured, Brother, it all won’t matter. If you find yourself in tribulation you will have to recalculate everything over. Be blessed, Brother in the name of Jesus, The Lamb of God.

  372. Levi says:

    Believe me, I am also sincere. I want to help you too to see. Please don’t see at the preachers who preach this and they keep prophesying falsely. I don’t see them. I have told long time back that this revelation of this doctrine is given to me by Him alone and no body taught me nor I learnt it from someone else.

    Look. Why I want to help you. I believe once this rapture takes place there is either little or no hope during this period. The Bible itself is the proof. It doesn’t talk about the grace or mercy of God on His people. He will deal with Israel as He dealt with them in OT. Each time they sinned they were taken captives and the Lord had to raise prophets to bring them back to their land. But unto us the gentiles, the Lord is presently dealing with us in mercy and grace. No matter how much we sin we are still forgiven if we repent. Because we so not have anybody else to trust on except Jesus Christ but for them there were so many prophets and each one prophesied about the Messiah, Jesus. When He came they did not recognize Him. Yet there were few after His resurrection asked Him when will He restore Israel. Jesus did not restore Israel their land according to the promise, but He did not deny it as well but said, it is not given to them to know about the times which are in the Father’s hands. Which meant He would certainly restore Israel but this time it would be forever. So the grace on THEM is not completely gone.

    May the Lord help you to see these things and His plans in a broader scale.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      I too, only seek God for the answers, since the age of 12 years old. It has been the most important part of my life, above everything. There is no man that teaches me, I trusted God only, same as you. I have sought God, for most of my days for this prophecy. It has been an amazing trip of 43 years of seeking God only for this understanding. I’m now almost 56. Just until recently he has allowed me to start teaching it. Please understand I must obey. I have no beef with you. Be used of God, Brother. Teach that which He gives you, and be bless. If God needs to deal with me He will. He always has. Trust in Him to do that for me. Let us have peace, It is eternity that we shall have to talk about it all. God will prove who’s right and wrong , He promised to do so. Be strong in the Lord, Brother and powerful in His might, by the Holy Spirit that dwells within you.

  373. Levi says:

    Thank you my friend for your understanding. Today I sincerely ask you to forgive me, which I don’t usually ask, because I really mean when I ask. If at all I have hurt you in any way, please forgive me in Jesus’ name. Ask this in my behalf to Brenda as well.

    As for me if I see the tribulation, then the merciful God who is with me now will be with me in that time as well. I will believe in His mercy during that time as well because I would have been wrong that the time of grace is gone. He will take care of me. But I don’t worry about you my friend, because the Lord loves you and I know He will not leave you behind just because you did not believe in this pre trib rapture. I know He will spank you and then make you believe, if need be but He will see that you are there with His people. But one thing is for sure, you will have missed the whole beautiful plan of God set before us which is fulfilled in OT as a shadow among our fathers, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph. Every one of them had a Gentile bride. May the good bless you and thank you foe your goodwill towards me.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Yes true, Brother. God will chastise those that He loves> If indeed I need to be , it won’t be the first time for me. And I’m sure, for you also. It is good to be loved by a loving God who is merciful and longsuffering toward us. Praise be to His name. God always walk with you and I leave you with this verse. This is for you.

      Psa_23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

    • STL says:

      Levi: You said, that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph had Gentile brides?

      Abraham had Sarari, she was Jews not gentile, and as of Isaac, he must had a jew bride, because that why Abraham could not allow his 1 st son, to carry on the blood line up to Jesus Birth, as they were all jewish.

    • All is forgiven, Levi.
      We are~ all~ still under construction, as one might say!
      Hopefully, our house will be able to stand, for it is a spiritual house, built upon that Rock, in whom we love and have our hope of Glory. God bless you and yours, in all of His wisdom and peace.

  374. Levi says:

    Typo
    You will have missed TO SEE AND UNDERSTAND the whole beautiful……..

  375. Levi says:

    Typo
    Good Lord bless you
    foe=for

  376. suez says:

    Ok, I’m dumb,,how do you get some of your letters darker???

    • Ron Murphy says:

      We just learned from D City ourselves.
      and But type it all together. The beginning front of the word(s) use b then after the words use /b

      • Ron Murphy says:

        That didn’t work so well, LOL :)
        Let try again.
        type these symbols to put in front of your word(s)
        then Type after the word (s)

        and but use lower case letters

  377. Ron Murphy says:

    This is hard LOL :)

  378. Ron Murphy says:

    Okay I’m going to give you one symbol at a time.
    the first is :
    now these go in front of the word you want to darken

  379. Ron Murphy says:

    hold down the shift and press comma then press lower case b and then press shift and then press period.
    This is used for the front of the word only.

  380. Ron Murphy says:

    Now on the end of the word you want darkened, press shift and press comma, then press lower case forward slash or question, then b, then shift and period.
    That should do it for you.

  381. STL says:

    Ron: It says that Sarah was half hebrew the other half ? And that Sarah was Abram 1/2 sister!

    • Ron Murphy says:

      I really enjoy talking to you about it to, God’s word is so good. Now as far as Abraham being 1/2 sister, Amen! But before she was married to Abraham, she was not a Jew because Abraham was the first, I suppose, for he was the father of many nations. But Abrahams father was not a Jew in that case. But if Abraham was indeed the first Jew then surely Sarah was the second, being his wife. So by Abraham all are Jews under the blood of Isaac, only.