THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND

Harlem Shake Brings Spirit Of Antichrist To America’s Christian Churches

| February 23, 2013

“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4

The Great Falling Away

The scriptures say that in the end times, in the last days, there will be a great ‘falling away’ of believers from bedrock bible doctrine. The above quote from 2 Thessalonians clearly shows that as does this quote from Paul to Timothy:

“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” 2 Timothy 4:3,4

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The Spirit of Antichrist on full display at Celebration Church in Jacksonville, Florida

In the end, it is the Christians who no longer have a desire or hunger to be fed from the word of God, but instead choose to side with the devil and make a mockery of the church that Jesus Christ shed His own blood for. Nothing shows that as clearly as our story on the Harlem Shake in the Church of God.

The Harlem Shake is demonic

From The Examiner: Have you heard of the “Harlem Shake?” The dance has gone viral on the Internet, and Christians are doing it in several sectors, according to BCNN1, Feb. 21.

The dance starts with the leader wearing a mask shaking in front of the people, and then they all join in for 30 seconds.

The words to the song are: “Con los terrorista” (With The Terrorists).

There are several groups and organizations doing the “Harlem Shake:”

  • Saddleback High School Ministry
  • Liberty University
  • Destiny World Outreach Center
  • Vineyards Student Harlem Shake
  • City Church Downtown
  • Celebration Church Jacksonville FL

Run away, run far away

I know this article will burn up some of our fan base, but let me be very honest with you. Now The End Begins was created by direct commission from the Lord Jesus Christ Himself to be a watchman in these last days. We are to sound the alarm when the Enemy appears on the radar screen. So let us get right to the point:

If you belong to or attend a Christian church that encourages demon-inspired ‘dancing’ to the Harlem Shake, you are in church with the Devil Himself. The Holy God of Israel is a million miles away from all of that foolishness. The ‘shake’ is performed with a masked man inciting a crowd to gyrate their bodies by unseen forces to jungle-themed music. Bright lights flash, artificial smoke is set off and an hypnotic, ever-lowering bass beat causes the dancers to bang their heads. Are you so seared in your spirit by the filth you have surrounded yourself with that you can no longer recognize the Devil when he is laughing in your face??

If you think that this is the work of the Holy Spirit, then you do not know the Holy Spirit, neither are you led by Him. To see this in the Church of God is, to me, proof positive that the great falling away is operating on all eight cylinders. The Harlem Shake comes from drug-using, heavy-drinking, fornication-glorifying rappers whose garbage has NO PLACE in the Church of Jesus Christ.

If you do this in your church, you need to REPENT immediately and beg God for desecrating His House of worship. Return to your first Love, and remember what it was like when the shed blood of Jesus made you clean and new. Get back to a DOCTRINAL study of God’s word from the King James Bible, and get back on your knees in fervent prayer.

If this is happening in your church, leave

Satan desires to sift you and grind your papier-mache faith into a fine, dusty powder. Christian, you are UNDER ATTACK, and are losing the battle. Do you really want to be found gyrating to the Harlem Shake when Jesus Christ returns? Really?

Are you so deluded by the world, the flesh and the Devil that you think the Harlem Shake and David dancing before the Lord are the same thing?

Think about it.

 

 

 

About the Author:

NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he hosts a twice-weekly bible study and prophecy radio show on BlogTalk Radio, and oversees a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.
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  1. Oh Bless You for posting this article!! May Christians everywhere heed this news….the Last Days are upon us.

    The Lord Of Hosts is near.

    • Ps91 says:

      One word for that is STUPID!!!
      If anyone can’t see that that has no place in the house of God then they need to have their heads examined.
      People are out of their minds anymore!
      What is good is called evil and what is evil is called good.
      Thank you Goeff for posting your article.

    • Lois Skelton says:

      I don’t know how to comment except as a reply. Forgive me if this offends, but my first reaction to this kind of thing is ‘Oh no! Is this the latest idiot craze from America?!’ So far I don’t think it’s in New Zealand, but the churches here are just as stupid as anywhere else, so it will, I suppose.
      One thing I do want to comment on though, is the use of the phrase ‘jungle-themed’. I have noticed this a lot in American church literature/preaching. This is a serious mistake. Read some history and you will know this demonic stuff has absolutely nothing to do with jungles or Africa or that kind of thing. The ancient druids of Britain did all the same sort of stuff, drums and gyrating and all. The devil has no nationality, and ALL ancient cultures have at least some of this stuff brewing in their background.
      I think if people would look to Jesus and his word instead of the guy/s at the front, they wouldn’t get duped by all this junk.

      • Diane says:

        Right, this had to be stated and I totally agree with it: the devil isn’t just an element in the judeo-christian culture as lots of relativists like to say.

        People who dote on Eastern cultures and spiritualities for instance will lecture christians with condescendance and say “Puh-lease! This culture (Japanese or any other ancient civilisation they admire) predates Judaism, it existed even before Christ was born [Christ IS from all eternity] so please keep your demons (your sin, repentance, redemption, etc.), they’re not relevant here. These evil figures you see (on this tapestry, vase, etc.), scary practices and invocations are all about the balance in life between our positive and negative sides, it’s very healthy actually….” Huge huge deception and ignorance.

    • amen brother i hope god will destory the abomanation called the harlem shake and yes he is coming soon

  2. Levi says:

    But who hath believed our report? Unto whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?

    Isaiah 53

  3. NTEB News Desk says:

    We believe it, and will stand for God’s Truth even if we stand all alone…

  4. Soon it will all come together!

  5. Lyn Leahz says:

    I know you will not respond to me, because you never do..which hurts my feelings…you are supposed to be my brother in Christ.. anyhow, awesome post! I never knew about this…thank you so much for bringing it to our attention, and God bless you.

  6. Rebecca says:

    If the original song was EVER listened to and the amount of obscenities and lewd behavior that it represents it WOULD NEVER and SHOULD NEVER be played in a church!! I was appalled when I found the original song “Harlem Shake” and Christians are actually dancing to it in church?? OR AT ALL??? This indeed is the end times.

  7. Ligia says:

    Wow that looked like a trance concert not a church service! That was very disturbing !
    Dear God what have we become ?

  8. Levi says:

    Amen. God bless all who believes Him. The Spirit of Truth will convince His sheep.

    John 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

    John 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me

    John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

  9. You do not stand alone NTEB! I am with you! More importantly- God is there.

  10. Conspiracy Bereans is with you NTEB. We are honored in our Fathers name to fight the Good fight in Spirit and in Truth for the Glorious Kingdom of Messiah.

  11. Nicole says:

    Frankly, I don’t ever think it is a good idea to play worldly music or music that does not lift up the name of God inside of church period. It seemed like if it were a church, it quickly turned in to a club.

    • jeff aiden says:

      It wasn’t during a church service. After much research, I have found that it wasn’t during a service at all. Many comments throughout this website and others also say that drums are demonic and the guitar is demonic. But it says nothing like that in the Bible. Nor does it say not to do this dance as a fun way to reach the lost in today’s world.

      • earl says:

        Did you not hear the demon’s growl at .28 seconds into the video. Go listen, and may God open your ears to hear.

        • jeff aiden says:

          LOL it’s a lion. In fact, the creator of the song in an interview gave his source of each sound and where he got each piece. The demon growl, as you call it is a lion roar.

          • njc says:

            Yes, you are absolutely correct – This particular sound is befitting because The Devil is a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8). The Devil is indeed doing this in these last days – it is ever so obvious by this new viral craze being promoted and allowed by/in churches.

            You know what the scariest part about all this is? Not one of these Pastors/leaders/church members/students are convicted. The conviction of the Holy Spirit has been lost.

            When asked, the originating singer/dancer of the Harlem Shake in 1981 said “it is a drunken state, it’s an alcoholic shake, but it’s fantastic, everybody loves it and everybody appreciates it.” He said, “It comes from the ancient Egyptians and describes it as what the mummies used to do – They were all wrapped up, that all they could do was shake.”

            By just this ‘definition’, how on earth can anyone, (especially PASTORS!) justify doing something that was created to be a “drunken state, an alcoholic shake”, in/by their churches, and not be convicted. Surely, SURELY there are other ‘methods’ to reach the youth and a lost and dying world. The distinction between The church and The World is becoming so thin, why would anyone want/need to come to church? Oh that’s right, to make themselves feel good and give some of their money towards a money-driven church so they feel that they’re doing something that’s pleasing to God. Well, not everyone that says Lord, Lord, will enter the Kingdom of God (Matt 7:21).

            Through this darkness, I pray that Pastors and people see the Light of God’s eternal glory and majesty and go back to reverencing and Fearing God Almighty without these worldly methods.

            May God come quickly.

          • njc says:

            Yes, you are absolutely correct – This particular sound is befitting because The Devil is a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8). The Devil is indeed doing this in these last days – it is ever so obvious by this new viral craze being promoted and allowed by/in churches.

            You know what the scariest part about all this is? Not one of these Pastors/leaders/church members/students are convicted. The conviction of the Holy Spirit has been lost.

            When asked, the originating singer/dancer of the Harlem Shake in 1981 said “it is a drunken state, it’s an alcoholic shake, but it’s fantastic, everybody loves it and everybody appreciates it.” He said, “It comes from the ancient Egyptians and describes it as what the mummies used to do – They were all wrapped up, that all they could do was shake.”

            By just this ‘definition’, how on earth can anyone, (especially PASTORS!) justify doing something that was meant to be a “drunken state, an alcoholic shake”, in/by their churches, and not be convicted. Surely, SURELY there are other ‘methods’ to reach the youth and a lost and dying world. The distinction between The church and The World is becoming so thin, why would anyone want/need to come to church? Oh that’s right, to make themselves feel good and give some of their money towards a money-driven church so they feel that they’re doing something that’s pleasing to God. Not everyone that says Lord, Lord, will enter the Kingdom of God (Matt 7:21).

            Through this darkness, I pray that Pastors and people see the Light of God’s eternal glory and majesty and go back to reverencing and Fearing God Almighty without these worldly methods.

            May God come quickly.

      • TZ says:

        Jeff, that particular video might not have been during a church service, but I know of one church where it happened during a Youth Service (and yes, the video is on youtube – FSMisYou). Included in that is a bit at the end with the youth “pastor” air punching one of the teens. And there was headbanging, hand signals, hip gyrations, even flopping on the floor. Even if it was “all in fun” as a friend stated, I’m just wondering how it in any way glorified God and brought those kids closer to a knowledge of Him as their Lord and Savior.

        • jeff aiden says:

          I don’t know about the other church, but most of these comments are regarding the church in this video. and hand signals and hip gyrations? does the Bible say this is evil?

      • Ron Murphy says:

        We don’t need to reach the world with the world. They need to be reached through the light we shine of Christ in us. This does not display that light at all.

        • jeff aiden says:

          See, this part is what’s so confusing. So many christians state that. So, if the world uses it, that means that you christians cannot? so worldly music is out right? how about a church building? you dont need a building, you can use a tent because the world uses buildings. wait, you dont need a tent, you can use tree shade, because the world uses tents. you dont need electricity… you see what i’m saying? The Bible that you all claim to read states very clearly in the New Testament by Paul that what is one man’s sin isn’t the next man’s sin. It’s how the Holy Spirit convicts. It also says that actions, acts and deeds don’t determine if you serve the Lord, but your heart. None of you know their hearts. none of you have stated how many salvations were that night or any other night. None of you have even asked.

    • piglet says:

      I agree. What you attract them through is what you will attract them to.

  12. Hi. I am on the fence about whether or not this is really a “demonic” activity. The Harlem shake is really just a *video* phenomenon. What was written by “Ligia” up there may appear to be a correct observation. But understand something: This was not a “service.” It was not a concert, either. They basically got the crowd together and told them to just dance and be funny/crazy for like thirty seconds. Then they splice the video and added the song. It’s literally as if you decided to just do some jumping jacks at this very moment, just because you’re bored. Except that there was a crowd of people, and there were cool lights, and some fog.

    At best, it’s a media outreach to potential followers, and a fun way to engage the current members of the church, and build some nice fellowshipping with each other. At worst, it’s a waste of time.

    Granted, the words in the song aren’t great (“With the Terrorists”), and I probably wouldn’t put it in the suggestion box at my church, if only for that reason. It might offend someone, and I don’t feel like dealing with that. But I honestly don’t see any reason why you consider it to be “bringing the spirit of the antichrist” to America’s churches. That is a pretty hefty accusation.

    However, I am not saying you are wrong, I am willing to agree with you, if you provide evidence to support your claims. Even the bible verses that you quoted aren’t really supportive of your accusation. I can take the same verses and say that you are the one who is “falling away.” I am not actually saying that, I am just trying to show that I really see no substance to your claim.

    But please, show me some christians who have faltered in their walk with Christ because of making a “Harlem Shake” video, and I will be more than obliged to agree wholeheartedly with what you have said.

    Thank you for your time, and consideration of my comment.

    And, God bless! :)

    • Marie McGaha says:

      Greg, going to such lengths to defend this whatever it is tells me you are in need of repentance. I don’t care what it is, if it is done in the sanctuary, it is to be ONLY worship to God, nothing else. Remember when Jesus turned over the tables and took a whip to the people selling in the temple? Only worship and God’s word belongs in the sanctuary.

      • jeff aiden says:

        hahaha that feels to be a truly warped comment. Just because he said he doesn’t necessarily agree with some of the other comments, you now state that he is in need of repentance? You are God now? You know his heart? And Jesus turned over the temples because of those people’s hearts. They were there to get rich by corrupting the people. Not because they played a song to help reach the lost in the younger demographic.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Jeff, even if it was possible to reach our youth with this worldly act, where would you be leading them from here. You go against everything that is taught by Jesus. Come out of her my People, be not partakers of her sins. You might be healing the sick and casting out demons, but you are still working iniquity.

    • Tyler says:

      Greg, I personally agree with you on this subject. And quite frankly, this blog post seems mighty legalistic to me. And wasn’t that what the Pharisees were criticized by Christ Himself for being? I understand that the lyrics are not the best. However, just like Greg has said, unless some Christians have “fallen away” because of this, then I will be concerned. But quite bluntly put, if they “fall away” because of this, it makes me seriously doubt whether or not they were truly in the faith or not to begin with.

      Just some food for thought. God bless and love like Jesus would.

      Tyler

    • Ann says:

      Greg you need to do heavy reserch . I recently found that most christian music artists are not christian at all .Many will be miss led, cast in to hell . pray for guildence before you make such reckless comments that will allow this to continue

      • jeff aiden says:

        The good thing about it all is that in the Bible that I’ve read, it says that God will use what those mean for evil, for good. So, while you are judging these artists that you say are not Christian, if they truly are not (since you are not in a position to judge their souls), God can and will still use what they do for His glory.

  13. ChristianSoldier777 says:

    This is the church of Laodicea in action.

  14. koiphish says:

    You guys are idiots… I will be unsubscribing from this website. You are as bad as the westboro baptist church people.

    You do more harm, chasing off new christians or even long term christians. There is a threat, but its not under every pebble like you would have everyone believe.

    Crazy paranoia is not a good face for Christ.

    • @ koiphish I do not think they are idiots at all. I think they spotted some crazy pagan ministry and like a watchman should they blew the trumpet. You know what happens as a follower of God if see something like this and do not blow the horn like NTEB did. Lets see what the bible says.

      Ezekiel 33:6
      King James Version (KJV)

      6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand.

      Meaning if NTEB did not point this out to fellow Christians and others they would be responsible for the lost souls.

      NTEB has shed light on it and they are 100% correct in doing so. Great article!

      • koiphish says:

        That only makes sense if hes actually right about the Harlem Shake song, which he is not.. I see nothing in these videos that make them of satan. The originals have people being lude and perverse… but the ones the church groups are doing and many business are clean.

        A man in a mask and banging your head no more makes you a pagan satan worshiper than baptizing people makes you a serial drowner.

        I used to bang my head while listening to Stryper back in the 80′s… I guess Stryper were promoting pagan worship and me banging my head was some satanic transe I was in right?

        Low bass is not evil either. That is just retarded.

        The words “Con los terrorista” (With The Terrorists) is not satanic either. If anything, they are unAmerican and unpatriotic, but not demonic.

        When I was younger, I had long hair and tattoos (still have those) and I wasn’t a stick in the mud… I could approach more teenagers and talk to them about God than any sunday school youth pastor could. By acting a fool and claiming these are demonic activities is to alienate the children and teens that we so desperately need to get through to and to hang onto.

        A lot of christians and churches aften forget that theres millions of non-christians out there that can be introduced to God. I have met MANY that just didn’t know or they were afraid they would become “Jesus Crispy Dorks”. What a change they make when they find out that only comes after you get to know Him and gain a real thirst to please him and be Christ like.

        Jesus went into streets and bars and all kind of seedy places… because that is where you find the people that need God, not the ones that have already found them and are sitting in church on sunday in their sunday clothes and putting down everyone that is not in their church club.

        • They are right about the harlem shake song.

          See Gods watchmen see these things. They have been going on in music for a long time. Now they are trying to bring this music and demonic gyrations to a church environment under the guise of brining people to Christ.

          I suppose the song needs to be titled
          “Sympathy For The Devil” by the Rolling Stones, written by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards in order for a non watchmen of God to spot something is wrong. Even then some need to be alerted.

          No I am afraid these Watchmen have spotted and alerted accordingly. God Bless Them.

        • Levi says:

          @Koiphish: Brother, I appreciate your zeal for Christ and His children. It is such a great responsibility and excitement to bring His sheep into His fold. Praise God for your zeal in serving Christ.

          But trust me brother, the word of God says

          Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

          1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

          James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

          Please note in the last verse quoted above. It names the type of sinners – adulterers & adulteresses. We are not to partake in their sins. Indeed we have to love them and not condemn them but definitely not to do the things that they do.
          I am sure Jesus did talk to sinners, sat and ate with them but He had nothing to do with their sins. Consider this: Have you read in the Bible that Jesus reveled when He Himself went among those revelers? He went to them to correct them and change them and not to become like them.
          Satan came to the Word (Jesus) to tempt Him to obey him by His Word (Jesus). How foolish! Jesus came to this earth to destroy the worldly things and Satan is trying to cut a deal by offering the same things to Him. How foolish again!
          Brother, you are a son of God and you will love the things of God and not only that you will HATE the things of this world.
          Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will HATE the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and DESPISE the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. (caps mine)
          Godly people will NOT love both God and mammon.
          We all do love our brothers and sisters everywhere but there are certain things where the spirit of Satan subtly tries to deceive His very elect. We need to keep a watch on them.
          I hope you will understand. God bless you brother and increase your zeal to serve His people.

        • Diane says:

          A palestinian scarf, symbol of terrorism (the green one=symbol of the terrorist organisation Hamas)…

          You probably think your avatar picture is “being the salt of the earth”, something that will shake the conscience of “traditional” christians whom you have so much stereotyped and obviously have a problem with. In the same vein than doing all these “cool” things they reprove? In fact, it’s just childish provocation.

          • jeff aiden says:

            What about the Palestines that wear the same scarf but are born again Christians? Are they still going to Hell because of the scarf and they wear it due to the culture that they live in? #legalism

    • Levi says:

      Adding to D City….:
      If they do not do the work of a watchman then they are:

      Isaiah 56:10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.

    • Marie McGaha says:

      You my dear, need to read the Bible. God’s temple is for the worship of God and His word, nothing else. In his own day, Jesus turned over the tables of the money changers for bringing “the world” into God’s temple. I’m not saying I’ve never danced in the Spirit, I have, and there is a place for dancing and singing in the Spirit, but what they showed there is not done in the Spirit of our Lord and Savior. The truth hurts because the truth brings light to the evil man does…

      • jeff aiden says:

        Wrong. If you read it in the original language, Jesus chased them out because of their hearts. If they were truly selling animals to sacrifice because their hearts were to help the lost, I don’t believe He would have chased them out. Jesus chased them out because they were trying to get rich by corrupting the people.

        • J. M. says:

          Original Language? If you have any writing in the ‘original langauge’ please send it to me. I would like to see it for myself. They DO NOT EXIST! Whenever scripture was qouted by any one in the Bible, it was because they were taught and had it in their hearts. Or it was Jesus Christ himself, who was the Word! He did not have to rely on anything by man (not even the Septuagint)!

    • earl says:

      Since you are wearing a face-rag that flys the colors of the PLO (haters of Israel), we are to be upset that you are unsubscribing?

      Don’t think so.

      • Diane says:

        I don’t want to comment too much but I had the same thought lol! The threat of unsubscribing is rather a consumer-like attitude, isn’t it?

        PLO/PFLP scarf is the same pattern but in red ;) (and the black one is symbol for the Fatah)

  15. Ramon Campos says:

    As whacked as the police officers (Dan Akroyd and Tom Hanks) had something in common with the “Pagan Church”…fornication…in the movie Dragnet, at least the name of rhe church didn’t hide the fact that it was into paganism.

  16. Levi says:

    It seems somebody felt the pinch!

  17. You know whats great about the bible more today then even 100 years ago. I believe its easier to read now then then.

    When you open the bible today with all the things happening it reads literally like a news paper. Like it is exactly what is happening right now or just happened on the news.

    I think anyone who honestly opens and starts reading the bible today will not be able to set it down.

  18. Ruby Lillian says:

    If they ever did this in my church..I would look for the closest exit. I believe the church is under great attack. The last church I was in I thought was so biblical and true. Small church, I thought I knew the pastor and his wife well. Then through some other friends in the church I heard some very disturbing stories about the pastor and his wife. I went directly to them for the truth. They did not deny the allegations. But..they did not apologize for them either. When my friends and I left the church the pastor announced the WOLVES have left. I wont go into disgusting details but lets just say if I did..no one here on this site would think there was a shade of gray and maybe what they were doing was okay. The disturbing thing is…the “church”is still up and running. I cringe every Sunday when I drive by and see cars there.

  19. Ruby Lillian says:

    I want to also add this pastor could preach!! He knew the word upside down and backwards. He brought people to their feet! He was an amazing speaker. THAT is what was so frightening. This is why we need to be vigilant!!

    • Golda says:

      So what was that pastor and his wife were doing??

      • Ruby Lillian says:

        Golda…it would be very inappropriate for me to explain. It was very offensive and disgusting. Unfortunately they got other members involved in it as well. I was horrified to even have to ask the pastor if the rumors were valid. Imagine my shock when they were!! That was my harsh lesson of the falling away of the church!

  20. Juni says:

    I can believe this is played as church music, there is so much diversity and beauty in praise and worshipping our God in the music that has come from the Holy Spirit in these last days and yet church leaders have to bring in this rubbish. I noticed that some of the congregation were laughing to themselves when the masked person was dancing. How does this glorify the Lord, there is a lot of deception in the church, we should be on our guard like never before.

  21. Juni says:

    Sorry that should be I cant believe

  22. Romans 12:1-2 KJV

    I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

  23. Sparrow says:

    This will pass just like Gangham style has, but in the church? Really? I quit going to church years ago because of all I saw there. Not saying all churches are bad, but seems they have conformed to the world too much, and people aren’t who you think they are.

    • Lyn Leahz says:

      Yes. I can’t see God being pleased by such a horrendous act. It brings to mind Jesus when the people were selling things in the temple. He became very angry (remembering, Jesus is God in the flesh). This type of worship glorifies the flesh and is an insult to God almighty. It is blasphemous. This type of dance evolved from the pagans, as did many things people do today they do not even realize. Smoking of tobacco, body piercings, etc. all came from the pagans. Something many people do not know, but even the Catholic physical symbol of Father, Son, Holy Spirit they do by placing their finger on their forehead, their left shoulder, and then their right shoulder evolved from the pagans. The female priests did this thing to glorify Baal before their sexual orgies. The church needs to wake up and quit saying, “Oh, it’s no big deal! We don’t mean it this way!” Because it is a big deal, and many of the things we do in the flesh do mean something in the spiritual realms. The great deceiver, Satan, only wants to make it look innocent, like all fun and games…telling us it is good because it attracts the sinners. This is untrue! The Bible tells us to have “NO” appearance of the world. We are to minister to the World, but we are NEVER to partake in their blasphemous, ungodly practices.

      • Lyn Leahz says:

        God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. He does not change with the times. Nor does He say one minute that something is unholy, and turn around years later and say, “Well, except for…” Or, “Okay, I’ve changed My mind. Now it’s okay.” This is false doctrine to EVER believe such a thing. “Therefore be ye holy, for I am holy.” –Quoting that from my memory. This is NOT holy.

      • Where’s the ‘Thumbs-Up’ button…Where’s the ‘Thumbs-Up’ button… ;)

      • Loki says:

        You… you *do* realize Christmas came from Paganism, right?

  24. Catharina says:

    I agree with you this is demonic, I don’t know why the church always wants to copy the world and think God will sanction it.

  25. Catharina:
    Copy the world, its simple GREED, MONEY, VANITY!!!!

    BUT THESE MINISTERS WILL BE LEFT BEHIND, THEN SOME WILL CRY IN DIS BELIEF!

  26. RUBY:
    I’m Sorry that you went through this with this church, but these false insulting Pastors, will find the truth when they are left behind, knowing they did wrong to others.
    But we as good loving christians need to seperate the goats from the sheep!

  27. RUBY:
    Remember also Satan knows the Word of God inside and out, by doing this He can decieve us!

  28. Rie Helm says:

    I guess you didn’t know.

    The rapture took place 12-21-12.

    The sinners were all left behind.

    Welcome to HELL.

  29. Golda:
    Does it matter, what Ruby church was doing in their practice, it was very hurtful to Ruby feelings!

    But we (christians ) need to recognized these false leader, so we can go to the ones in these churches, talk to them about the truth in God’s Word, at least we are planting the truth of God’s Word in their minds, also it may cause a division in that church, and this Pastor will lose his flock and their goes the money!

  30. To Whom It May Concern:
    All this what is happening in these last days leading up to Jesus return for his true saints, should not be anything new to us, as we are prepare for this to happen to His true church.
    Keep and eye open! And hopefully we can show others who is the false leaders and teach them the truth of God’s word!

  31. We Need to prayer for all of our brothers and sisters in North Korea being abused and suffering for the Word of God!

    For the Pastor who was sentence for 8 years in prison for his Christian belief! Jesus said, that the Word of God needs to be preached all over the world, but the down side is these other countries are trying to stop God’s Word, and these Christian are suffering in their torture!

    Soon we in the USA will start suffering for the Word of God!

    • Ruby Lillian says:

      Funny..I was just thinking about that pastor in Iran. I pray for God to give him strength. I hope he feels all of our prayers and love.

    • Bheki says:

      Amen Pastor Steven Larue, Let us pray for our brothers and sisters in N. Korean, especially for the American Iranian Pastor imprisoned for 8 years. May God be with him, his wife and young children.

  32. Has anyone listened to SUSAN BOYLE music ” I dreamed a dream,”
    She has a beautiful voice!

  33. D City:
    The basic problem with these churches are we put our faith in our pastors than the Word of God!
    1 Cor. 2: 5- that your faith should not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.
    Then when these false pastors show their true colors, then the people are crushed! But if we put our faith in the Word of God, then we are prepared and we are not crushed by their actions, as we go into the flock and find the good sheep and lead them away from the goats!

  34. Ruby:
    Its only going to get worest in these last days!

  35. Bill says:

    Nice story. Good reporting. Here’s another. Bethel Church, Redding, CA

    Teaches Supernatural Ministry on how to raise the dead and regrow missing digits. Reports of “Gold Dust and Angel Feathers falling from Sanctuary ceiling”. Church has attracted many ‘young followers’ from all around the world which pay 3-4 thousand dollars a year to attend Supernatural Ministry School at Bethel. I know of no success rates of the dead being raised but have heard told stories of digits being regrown right before your eye’s??? Google it yourself. Full page appeared in Redding Record Searchlight 2010 or 11? Satan is alive and well within our churches.

    • Ruby Lillian says:

      Wow..just googled that info…scary stuff. Thanks for sharing Bill. We all need to be watchful.

    • Bheki says:

      I have a friend in Redding who I’m trying to encourage to start going back to church with her family. God forbid she should end up in an apostate church like the one described. Thanks for the warning.

  36. RIE.
    I can’t even come up with anything to say about your stupid comment!
    Ruby, you say about these false teachers in churches, we been on this web site for 6 weeks now, and we listen to these type of comments.

  37. Greg:
    I wonder if NSA was listening, they use the word”terrorist”

  38. Nicodemus says:

    “Does our law judge a man before it hears him and knows what he is doing?” -John 7:51

    “For the Lord does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.” -1 Sam. 16:7b

    “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” -Matt. 7:1-5

    “Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.” -Romans 14:1-4

  39. ron48 says:

    Thank you for this reveling post,I am stunned but surprised after all we are surely in the end times.
    What really is sad is the fact that the pastors and church leaders would even think about letting something like this happen in their church.They well have the blood of their congregation on their hands when judgement day comes for them.
    Satan is a liar and can’t create anything new,but he knows Gods word from front to back and will distort Gods word to deceive believers if he can,we must test everything by the word of God and be led by the Holy Spirit,if anyone who might read this is involved in a church that does this,use your own free will and get out,find a church that preaches the word of God,and is lead by the Holy Spirit.
    .

  40. Bill:
    There so many lost souls in our world and many people are lead away from God. But it not only the false religions are at fault, the blame goes to the people, as they think they need a leader or looking in the wrong places for that leader.

    But in 1 COR. 2:5- that your faith should not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God!

  41. TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
    I read a good story!
    Go to http://www.raptureready.com touch home= Newest article
    Don’t give up just yet—There more!

  42. janet s says:

    @ Bill: doesn’t the Bible state we can heal through laying of hands? Could raising the dead possibly mean taking someone out of a coma through prayer? We are merely an instrument for Gods healing, we are not the healers. All glory is for God.

    • Bill says:

      Janet s. When attending this church the hair actually stood up on my arms and that was the Holy Spirit telling me to run as fast as I could to get out of there. Don’t go trying to confuse this, taking someone out of a coma with prayer and raising the dead are 2 complete different set of circumstances. If God wants someone “Raised from the Dead” he’ll do it himself. God does not need anyone Else’s help in prayer. They died for a reason so don’t go 2nd. guessing God. As for the laying on of hands there are many scriptures which relate to the topic but, don’t try to take ‘this topic’ out of context. This subject is about raising the DEAD! and should be left to God and only God…..geezzzzzzzzzzz. Like I said, go Google it for yourself and get informed about what I was commenting about before siding with Satan just to hear yourself speak in an opinion column.

  43. janet s says:

    I just saw the Harlem shake video, did not like it at all. It does not belong in a church setting. At the end of the song you also hear a demon growling..I rebuke it completely..

  44. Bahar1 says:

    Late getting to view this but I agree with most of you and found it abominable. Totally unacceptable for supposed followers of Christ Jesus? I viewed that Lady Gaga video previously and similar thing only worse. She had an upside down cross painted on her body as she and her little group of demons performed in a concert in New York . As we get closer to the end, these imposter churches will be easier to identify as they now are showing no shame and are easily deceived/led by satanic forces. The demon growl at the end seemed to be the signature of origin, if there was any doubt!

  45. Bahar1:
    Lady GaGa is gay. Most of the enetertainers believe in false religions, which gets the young ones thinking that cool!

  46. This is just another in a long line of attempts for the church to be “relevant”. That always involves getting off message. The church is the church. It is a place for believers to gather and engage in activities pertinent to believers. Evangelism may happen there but most evangelism occurs in the highways and byways. A friend calls the seeker-sensitive style “Six Flags Over Jesus”, pretty apt description if you ask me. The question we have to ask is why we think pop culture and hype is more “relevant” than holy fellowship, praise and the word of God. Some people are so hungry for revival, they keep trying to manufacture it. Others just want a semblance of church without the substance. Truth. though, doesn’t have to be packaged. The age-old path to real revival always started with prayers of the remnant. That said, never forget these are the end times. The hearts of most have already gone cold and are not going to be revived before judgment. The best we can do is make sure our own hearts and motives are pure, pray and then speak when we can. This particular version of idiocy in the church is not as deep as the things purported to be “moves of the spirit” that are actually calling up of demons. It is, though, a symptom of a secularized church that doesn’t even recognize that this sort of thing is contrary to holiness. A friend who worked in the music business in the 1970′s observed that cross over artists always crossed over themselves, falling away for the lure of success. Beware, church, of compromise. It is deadly.

  47. ONE OF HIS OWN:
    you said, thye church is a church, its a place for believers to gather and engage in activities for believers.
    My opinion, but I have a different idea of the church.

    Matthew 18:20-for where 2 or 3 have gather together in My name their I am in their midst.

    Acts 7: 48-50; However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands; as the prophet says, Heaven is My throne. and earth is My footstool of My feet. What kind of house will you build for Me? says the Lord. Or what place is there for My repose? Was it not My hand which made all these things?

    Mark 14: 58- I will destroy this temple made with hands, and in 3 days I will build another made without hands.

  48. Elizabeth says:

    I would prefer to see this firsthand and make my own judgement but thanks for the heads up. Not a snowball’s chance that my church would go for this anyway.

  49. JANET S:
    I’m confused in your comment (63).
    What does the dead have to do with someone in a coma?

    I believe laying your hands on someone through prayer can heal someone, but it might happen just then, maybe later in time. But I also believe that the Christian who laying on their hands on someone else, needs to be a person strong in his/her faith in Jesus Christ and has no doubt in his/her faith in Jesus Christ.

    Only Jesus and the Apostles had the power to heal and raise the dead!

  50. Have anyone seen the T.V. programs like The new normal has gays in it!
    The gays are taking over how society thinks of them and a little help from Obama, 64% of the population of the USA, thinks gays are normal?
    Sodom sure became a big city in the USA and the World!

  51. TOTALLY agree with your assessment of this “Movement” and the use of 2Tim 4:3-4 to call it into question, but apostasy (and LOTS of it!) has been with the Church since it came into being at Pentecost 2,000 years ago (just peruse the letters to the 7-Churches of Revelation!). :/

    Because apostasy in the Church has been more the rule than the exception, you may want to reexamine your use of 2Thes 2:3-4 as a proof text for end-times “apostasia” and consider a more Pre-Trib Rapture “appropriate” exegesis of the passage by Dr. Thomas Ice at the ‘Pre-Trib Research Center’ HERE: http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Ice-TheRapturein2Thessal.pdf

    Keep up the GOOD fight! ;)
    MARANATHA!

  52. janet s says:

    @ pastor larue: when I say ” dead” I mean clinically brain, heart stopping- at the hospital. Is this church saying they are going to cemeteries and raising the dead?

  53. Paul Hubert says:

    I think we need to be clear on the use of the term “demonic” and in defining exactly what “demonic” means.

    Since we know that Satan was a powerful angel, we realize he is a skilled communicator and his APPEARANCE is PLEASING.

    We also are told in scripture that in the End Times deception will be so great that, were it possible, the very Elect would be deceived.

    Now, EVERY activity that serves to undermine the message that Jesus is the ONLY Savior and Lord, that He is Almighty God come in the flesh, died, resurrected, ascended into Heaven and to return again to judge the earth, is in simple fact, “demonic”.

    I’m afraid too many are permitting the WORLD to define this word in its sensationalism.

    True “demonic” activity is primarily very subtle. Try reading The Screwtape Letters by C. S. Lewis for a a creatively insightful perspective on it.

    This, of course, means that ANY attempt to distract from the core message and PURPOSE of the Church is, in fact, demonic activity!

  54. L says:

    This is just another reason that we must be sound in doctrine. I asked a question the other day on what a person must do to be saved and was put down for worrying so much about doctrine! Unbelievable. If you do not know what it means to obtain salvation (I Cor 15:1-4) then you are not going to have saving faith. People that don’t care what the Apostle Paul taught are sitting in churches just like this one. They are denying the faith and embracing the world. I don’t believe there are many churches left today that teach truth.
    NTEB – Thank you for posting and warning the Believers today of what is going on in our world. It would be easier to put our heads in the sand, but God has called this generation to be here at this time for His good purpose. It’s so exciting! Overwhelming also when I think of how many people don’t know Christ and His offer of salvation to us…I have loved ones that refuse to believe and I need encouragement in how to reach them just like many of you.

  55. Amino says:

    To all those who are ridiculing NTEB because of this article: This is just a door opener, guys. Once this spirit and this behaviour is accepted in churches across the country, it will get harder. Do you believe the devil is kidding? This is an attack! Paul would have bounced such a dancer out of his church. Have you ever heard from a people called Israel, dancing in front of a golden calf? Well, this video is the perfect trick to make Christians behave exactly the same way. This “harmless little video” dishonors our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Stop it!

  56. Steven says:

    This is SIMPLE: COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE !!!!!

  57. TC says:

    This has no place in our churches or even a the personal life of a Christian. Want to dance then dance to the Lord as David in the Bible did but to the one of the great praise songs out there which is giving praise and honor to the only Savior of this world, Jesus Christ.

  58. NTEB News Desk says:

    We live in the age of Grace – faith, NOT sight – the dead are NOT being raised…but just wait for the Rapture, and plenty of dead will be raised…

  59. L says:

    THANK YOU NTEB!!!!

    Jesus and the Apostles did many, many miracles while he walked the earth…so people could visually see He was God. They rejected Him.

    The Age of Grace began and all those visual miraculous signs stopped as well.

    They will start again during the trib, but praise God we who believe Jesus died for our sin, was buried, and rose again will be in Glory with Him!

  60. Teresa says:

    NTEB- thank you for bringing this to our attention. In response to One of His Own. I could really relate most to your post. The sentence about the church trying to be relevant through wordliness brings revilement to Holy Spirit filled in my thinking. The mask wearing is of a utmost sign of the underworld darkness of this “worship dance.” Anyone that once before serving Christ that went to night clubs can see the same spirit at work here. Nightclubbing can never bring anyone to a true fellowship with the Lord Jesus. I can never envision the Holy One wearing a mask and gyrating His body to bring others to Himself. It is the power of the gospel not copying the world that will bring others to Christ.That is not true salvation. It is holiness that attracts and this is honesty,care, service and integrity and all other fruits of the Spirit. God bless us to live a life that attracts through charity not worldly living.

  61. Lyn Leahz says:

    Yep. The date we celebrate Christmas on used to be a Pagan holiday. And the tree is from the pagans, as well as the lights, the colors, and so forth. The Easter bunny and eggs, and all of that..pagan too. Pagans celebrate mother nature and her fertility at the same time we celebrate Easter. It’s the way Satan intertwines Satanic things into holy holidays..and of course, makes it look innocent by making it all about kids. Don’t even get me started on Halloween.

  62. John says:

    I attend Liberty online for my M.A. in Theology. I was not aware of this but will look into it. I will contact Liberty. Liberty is a liberal university and it makes me sick at times but holy cow. If anyone, NTEB, can give me some more info on this I would appreciate it so I can be more informed before contacting Liberty. You can email me direct at godcreatedgen1@gmail.com

    • Ron Murphy says:

      John, the holy cow you refer to, is the same one used by the Hebrews to worship in the desert, made of gold plating. An Eyptian god. I hope this helps you.

  63. Nathan says:

    Really? The author clearly has not heard the sing before.

  64. LYn,
    I read about these pagans holidays! Iris, the egyptian title for “Queen of Heaven,” her son was born on that day, December 25, birthday of the Lord Moon!
    the lights on Christmas trees is from the Feast of Babylon God.
    Nimrod started the celebration of christmas trees, Now Atheist makes a big deal about the Christmas tree and scenes of Christmas and its their pagan holidays, go figure? The yule cult colors of red and green are their colors. The christmas celebration was started in Rome, A.D. 336. from Roman Emperor Constantine as a pagan holiday.
    Then when I asked Christian minister’s, why we celebrate Christmas on December, as they avoid answering that question. Then I asked them why we celebrate Church services on Sunday, they say, it was Jesus resurrection day, if that’s true, he died on friday, and 3 days later he was resurrected, which would be Monday? And the last day of the week for the
    Jews is Saturday at 12 midnight! But we start the new week on Monday not Sunday!
    Every holiday we celebrate is a pagan holiday, and why does christians celebrate these holidays?

  65. Is there a chapter and verse where Jesus is dancing like this?

  66. Lyn Leahz says:

    Yes, it is very disgusting. Check this article out I posted around the holidays about Santa. This one is a real eye opener! I tell my kids Christmas is about Jesus..not Santa. Yes, it seems cruel, but it’s not. I want them to know why we celebrate Christmas, and Christmas is just as fun without the fabrication of a “SATAN” Claus. http://vineoflife.net/2012/12/13/jesus-christ-vs-santa-claus-did-you-know/

  67. Lyn, you said the pagan holiday used to be celebrated, as far as I know there still being celebrated by Christians, I stop celebrating these holidays several years ago, also I saved alot of money from these holidays, which i gave the money directly to the poor.

  68. NEW YORK. Did not Jesus danced at his cousin wedding and made wine out of water to celebrate this union?

  69. D City:
    The Mormons and JW’s do not believe in dancing! They do not believe in drinking coffee, if everybody lived like them, that would put the coffee bean growers out of business?

    • Byron meant when the devil is sent to hell with his minions I believe. satans minions are created and brought of by him. They didn’t start out as satans but they allowed him to create them towards him. Thats what I think he meant. satan creates evil from the work of God. He takes what God has created and corrupts it creating something different and evil. Thus satans followers.

  70. Byron says:

    It’s hard for the devil to get his foot(s) in the door if the Church would only hold to Doctrine! This touchy feely stuff is just what it is if His people can not discern the spirits. We can test the spirit threw His Word. If it still not clear just Ask Him to reveal it, this does work! If the spirit(s) is not of God you’ll sense it (as a very negative gut sense) and if it is of the Lord a positive sensing, many times be like yes from the Lord. Anyone (Christian) who reads His Word will notice sometimes you’ll stumble and have to read the verse or two again, this cause’s you to ponder, you say thank you God for showing me this, it’s this same Spirit! Most of you all know what I’m trying to say here, my wife tells me I’m crusty around the edges sometimes when trying to communicate! Anyone who’s been Saved for a while knows His ways of communications, many times (some of the ways) may be unique between you and the Lord. I believe this maybe the case so that Sa’tan can not duplicate via tools like GWEN (towers) and other sinister ways! His still at times speaks very softly (small voice) learn His ways and discern!
    Jesus arose on resurrection Sunday, 40 days later He went to the Father, no just thinken, most likely not, no, has not much to do w/the subject but I’m (you all) ready to go Home, soon!
    It will be Sweet when the devil is finally in his eternal home, as will all of His Creation!

  71. Lyn Leahz says:

    Yes, Pastor, I meant the same as you. In the future, I will try to be more selective with my words.

  72. ConTend says:

    Really you guys have flipped out. If young people are having some fun & dancing in the house of God as David danced before the Lord, you call it demonic. Watch that a curse does not fall back on you. Or maybe this is why your church is baren. Get over it who are you to judge in how someone chooses to worship the Lord?

  73. Byron:

    Can you be more certain of your words or did you mean it that way?
    You said, “It will be sweet when the devil is finally in his eternal home, as will all his creation!”

    I believe I’m God’s creation and animals are God’s creation!
    Satan did not create anyone or the plants or animals, angels, this was God’s creation, its impossible for Satan to create, he can only destroy!

  74. sry posted that in wrong spot above.

    Byron meant when the devil is sent to hell with his minions I believe. satans minions are created and brought of by him. They didn’t start out as satans but they allowed him to create them towards him. Thats what I think he meant. satan creates evil from the work of God. He takes what God has created and corrupts it creating something different and evil. Thus satans followers.

  75. I believe Byron was or is referring to watered down doctrine. When churches start excepting this it opens the door for the devil to get his foot in. If churches would remain sound in their doctrine then he can’t get his foot in the door. Basically.

  76. All we need for him to verify what he was saying.

    New York, we know Satan did not create one thing in heaven, true? As he said, “as will all his creation.” Satan can not create?

  77. D City: We both know there is not one church teaches what the apostles was teaching in the 1st century! I believe Satan already has his feet in every church, as this will be the falling away from their faith, this was happening in Paul’s time too!

    It only takes one decon or a asst. pastor or pastor’s to cause division in these churches, and it leads the flock from the truth of God’s Word. Because alot of people need leaders to follow than the word of God ( 1 COR. 2:5 ).

  78. D CITY;
    Satan been doing this to the people in these churches for a long time now, but (we) christians never notice it, until these last days, as we are now opening up our eyes to the truth!

  79. jeff aiden says:

    i would simply like to make 2 comments. no need to debate as i will not come back. i accidentally ran across this site.

    1) from what i’ve read and interpreted, when Jesus overturned the tables at the temple, is was more about the “heart” of the people than anything. (and you can see that all over Jesus ministry. its no longer not murder, but dont hate. no longer dont cheat on your wife, but dont lust, etc). it’s what is in your heart.

    2) the more disturbing thing is an unbeliever comes across this site and sees all of these judging comments. and quite frankly what feels like hate. so, what is this unbeliever to do? turn to a loving God that so many claim when he sees all of the judging and hate? disgusting

    from what i’ve read in the scripture, if this is TRULY a “deomonic” or “spirit of the anti christ” as so many of you put out there, the Bible says to approach the leader first. who has contacted that church? the second thing it says if the leader doesnt correct itself is to approach the leader with a second and/or third person. who has done that? then, if led by the spirit and still the leader is at fault, you take it public.

    if even an unbeliever can see all of this, why cant you?

    but again, what do i know? i’m not saying the video is right or the dancing or this or that. i’m just wondering where is the love from you guys? he who hath no sin may cast the first stone….. i guess

    • Posting the truth about this so called church and its straying from bible is not hate. Its love and people on here as we can see here have left them and attempted to let them know out of love. So posting the truth is love. We all sin. From the minute we were born we were sinners. But they aren’t moving towards God they are moving away.

      Out of Love NTEB has let us know and as you can see people who use to go there, that do not anymore have let them know out of love. After that its on them. Everyone gets into arguments everywhere all throughout life. The Jews argue more then anyone lol

      We are all sinners. The thing is are you or we working towards God and not away. NTEB has pointed out this church is moving away. This church was made aware and instead of listening they rejected, deleted every thing.

      Can’t get much more loving then that. :)

      • I might also add that Peter and Paul argued immensely. These are 2 people who walked along side Christ for years. People will always argue. The key is working towards Christ.

        • jeff aiden says:

          I’m not saying arguing or debating shouldnt be done. In fact, it’s what keeps us sharp. However, to judge and for some of the people judging do it so hateful – in a public setting where non-believers can see. Those people are more dangerous to the body of Christ than an athiest. It’s a scary place to be.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Jeff, I agree that Christains do judge way to much. And their sin of judging is as bads as any other. But Jesus also said to judge them by their fruits. Corrupt fruit can not come from a good branch, as good fruit can not come from a corrupt branch. If a branch is good then the fruit will be, also. People need to only judge after this manner.

  80. ” Are you Awake.”
    President Obama is going to Isreal to broker a peace between Isreal and her hateful neighbors for Isreal to give up land for peace.
    Would any Americans give up their land or house for peace, I do not think so, so why is President Obama asking Isreal to do it?

    Joel 3; that the plan of any nation to divide sreal is a provocation of apocalyptic imphications. This is happening now!
    We are being sold into slavery!
    Apostasy has filled the churches and the mega ministies are indtructing their followers to live for your, “best life now!”
    Our government are telling us things will get better, but its not!
    Jer. 23: 16-22.

    North Korea said, their desire to strike the USA with nukes and they are saying, “we are the world.”

    Fema camps been erected in 10 USA districts, its in the news.

    U.S. Government wants to disarmed U.S. citizens, while at the same time they are buying more ammo for the Government institutions.

    Sharia Law is being established in U.S. cities, like Dearborn, Mich.

    John Brennan pledge his allegiance to C.A.I.R. ( The Council on American Islamic relations).

  81. Tamara Gray says:

    THIS IS MY OLD CHURCH!! I JUST stopped going there a few months ago! They were NOT doing this type of mess then. This is completely different! :’( NO WONDER God called me away from there! UNBELIEVABLE!! I went onto their FB page & posted this article, along with scripture I thought was appropriate. They deleted everything I posted & blocked me from being able to comment OR post on their page. So very sad. :( I even thought about re-attending there soon. I pray they turn back to the Lord & soon…before it’s too late.

  82. Gail Webster says:

    very concerning, that leaders in Australia. will not listen to Greet wilder”s a gracious Christian man. how could he be a racist. when he is telling the truth. this world is very sick, living in the days of NOAH. people out their can not see the truth. or just do not want to know., Australia has reached the point of no return. and the government that are running this country are very weak. when a guest speaker is not allowed to warn us of the threats to our freedom, then things have reached the point of no return. Greet could not speak at venues, we also tried a number of Christian organisations with suitable venues, but their church leaders were afraid to help out. but the freedom to speak and the freedom to hear are denied, If you want to know who rules over you. just find out who you are not permitted to criticise. we realise ant-democratic hate-groups will now be dancing in the streets. but this is not the end of it. and sadly, they are blinded and do not realise they are dancing on the graves of free-speech. freedom of speech is an absolute, freedom knows no left or right. In Australia now, after this week, Islam is working very well here, so too is the radical left hatred of all contrary view. the odd thing is all over the west, the radical left is in bed with radical Islam. but as soon as the Islam get into power, the first ones to lose their heads will be these stooges from left. they are spineless companions in the mainstream media, and the venue owners, are all simply P.C. cowards who at the end. of the day can be labelled used-full idiots, left wing supported the agenda of the Communists. these spineless and brainless wonders will which they were not so naive and misinformed. westerners are rushing out to actually defend it(Muslim) yet when a Nation has a Muslim majority. that is when they will take over. I see after this week in Australia – most of the Church”s have no back bone. they don”t fear the word of FATHER GOD. AND JESUS. WE ARE LIVING IN THE DAYS OF NOAH, the government of Australia did not go and hear what Greet Wilder;s had to say, the rubbishes what in had to say, the government said that they rubbishes Greet views on Islam, what are fool Gillard and Tony Abbott have said. Australia has reached the point of no return, and the church of today things more of money. the church has no power, what I see now, is what happen in HITLER TIME, WE ARE LIVING IN TROUBLE TIMES. THIS IS A TIME TO SAVE AS MANY SOULS AS YOU CAN, AND WARNING PEOPLE, OF WHAT IS TO COME. I STAND BE END-TIME-BEGINS, YOU ARE DOING A GREAT WORK, SHALOM:) P.S. THE GOVERNMENT IN AUSTRALIA AND OTHERS, CAN IGNORE GREET WILDER”S, BUT ISLAM ISSUE WON”T GO AWAY-

    • Mike says:

      hi Gail,.Im from Australia, our Pm Julia Gillard is a
      self confessed athiest, the opposition leader Tony
      Abbott is catholic. Skippy the bush kangaroo knows
      more about end time prophecy than these two.
      No, we would not like to upset the Muslims, that would
      be politically incorrect!…Spinless yes, I’m surprised
      they don’t travell on gurneys. Freedom of speech, well
      it’s overrated anyway, but as long as they get to pass
      laws on who says what and when well all get along!
      Some of the churches are like the feature story, that’s
      why I study the bible on the Internet, of late the US
      especially seeing they have a Muslim president.I think
      in these end times all rights will be stripped away,
      and the majority of people won’t see it comming until
      it’s to late..Any way God bless and all we can do is
      keep brothers and sisters informed of these end time
      signs.

  83. Benny says:

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  84. Benny says:

    Luke 18:9-14

    He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ …

  85. ishake says:

    WHAT?! FOR REAL? obviously you are a terrible person..

  86. ishake says:

    How do you live with yourself? Like honestly? I bet you believe he wont take over turn this whole place into a 1 world goverment! Just you wait….

  87. ishake says:

    Do u actually participate in these dances?! They are not good for you!

  88. Gail Webster says:

    WHAT I HAVE JUST SEEN, THAT IS NOT CHURCH, IT IS A NIGHT CLUB. THEY HAVE NO FEAR OF FATHER GOD. AND JESUS, YOU WORLD NOT SEE THAT IN THE EARLY CHURCH IN THE BIBLE, AND THE SYNAGOGUE, AND THE MUSIC IS WORLDLY MUSIC. WHAT BLASPHEMIES. THE TEN COMMANDMENTS EXODUS CH 20- PEOPLE NEED TO GET BACK INTO THE WORD OF FATHER GOD. NOW.

  89. ishake says:

    Do u know he is hiding information from us? I heard that he even knows about the aliens and russia does as well! Truth! Oneday he is gonna just open up about everything!! And of course i love everyone…. thats why i love you!

  90. Benny says:

    I’m with Jungle Dancer on this one

  91. Beyonce is bad!!! Dont ever go near that!

  92. Benny says:

    I love Beyonce!

  93. thats a terrible video!!! She is not a good influence!! Do u like gaga as well?! Do u know she does mind control?

  94. I love gaga so much! she is like my idol! this is a photo of me dressing like herhttp://adventuresincussing.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/blog-lady-gaga-adelaide-s-little-monsters-121303.jpg

  95. Matt says:

    For those who think this is ok and God approves, well the God I serve is holy and perfect and this is not approved in God’s sight. Don’t be fooled into thinking that this is harmless, its not! I was a dj for yrs and know this type of music and dancing and its not from our Lord. I can vouch for this, its not from God! Stay away and stay close to Jesus. Our time hear is almost up and just keep looking up!

  96. Benny says:

    Why did all my video’s get taken down? What are you guys Communists?

  97. Biblethumper says:

    I rebuke you! and Benny everyone knows Jesus was a communist come on….

  98. ishake says:

    that is a terrible quote…obviously u dont know what you are tlaking about. I dont think the videos are that bad… and im pretty sure Jesus was republican…

  99. Benny says:

    Come at me bro

  100. Benny says:

    If you take this down you’re racist

  101. Lyn Leahz says:

    And that is godly praising and dancing….

  102. Lyn Leahz says:

    and this is UNGODLY humor

  103. Lyn Leahz says:

    Hey! The dance the arabs above are doing kinda looks like the Harlem Shuffle..or whatever the heck it’s called! LOL!!!

    • Diane says:

      Lol, Lyn God bless you for (some!) of these vids! :p :)

      • Lyn Leahz says:

        ha ha ha! I was just trying to divert from the seriously ungodly stuff being said and posted..even though a few were slightly off, that i posted..they weren’t nearly as bad. I probably shouldn’t have posted the two that are off…but I was trying to make people laugh. ;-) I do apologize and hope I offended no one. If so, I am terribly sorry, sister. God bless you!

  104. Lyn Leahz says:

    This one is absolutely hilarious!

  105. Ted Turner things its terrific that U.S. troops are committing suicide rather then going to war. He thinks the U.N. should police the world. He donated 1 billion to the U.N. At the same time he has signed and made proposals with U.N. along with Bill Clinton to reduce world population by approximately 6 billion people.

    So on one hand he says no war, then he talks about population control. He starts to say its terrific that U.S. troops are committing suicide then changes word to good. Its good that U.S. troops are committing suicide and doesn’t want war. But wants population control. Wants one world order and wants U.N. to run it. Donates 1 billion dollars to U.N.

    He talks of love and not killing but supports population control. He thinks we should be more enlightened. We are going to be enlightened pretty soon. We are all going to be illuminated thats to Turner. We will all be illuminated with radio active isotopes for the final 2 weeks of our earthly life as the skin falls off in pieces till we see Jesus.

  106. Wiki info
    MGM (including studios in Florida), CNN, WTBS, MIBC (Turner and Russian journalist Eduard Sagalajev founded The Moscow Independent Broadcasting Corporation. This corporation operated the sixth frequency in Russian television and founded the Russian channel TV-6.), Time Warner, Turner field home of Atlanta Braves.

    His extra cash flow from the public has contributed to one world order agenda.

  107. Just sharing info on these world order wizards.

    Bill Gates says:
    “The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s heading up to about nine billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent.”

    STRAIGHT UP DEPOPULATION QUOTES FROM THE GLOBAL ELITE:

    “A total world population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”
    Ted Turner

    “In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it is just as bad not to say it.”
    J. Cousteau, 1991 explorer and UNESCO courier

    “We must speak more clearly about sexuality, contraception, about abortion, about values that control population, because the ecological crisis, in short, is the population crisis. Cut the population by 90% and there aren’t enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage.”
    Mikhail Gorbachev

    “World population needs to be decreased by 50%”
    Henry Kissinger

    “If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.”
    Prince Phillip

    “Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license. All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing.”
    David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club

    “A program of sterilizing women after their second or third child, despite the relatively greater difficulty of the operation than vasectomy, might be easier to implement than trying to sterilize men.
    The development of a long-term sterilizing capsule that could be implanted under the skin and removed when pregnancy is desired opens additional possibilities for coercive fertility control. The capsule could be implanted at puberty and might be removable, with official permission, for a limited number of births.”
    Obama’s top science advisor, John P. Holdren

    “The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”
    Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger

    “People are the cause of all the problems; we have to many of them; we need to get rid of some of them; and this (ban of DDT) is as good a way as any.”
    Charles Wurster (Environmental Defense Fund)

    Bill Clinton Signed the Bio Diversity Treaty. Convention on Biological Diversity Signed by United States in New York June 4, 1993. Section 9.2.3.2 claims that we must either reduce the earth’s human population to 1 billion or reduce the standard of living to an agrarian “peasant” status. (this was at the platform for United Nations urban -ecological summit held in Istanbul, Turkey, June 1996

    Roger Baldwin (founder of the ACLU) stated “Communism is the goal.”

    That is why the ACLU was founded.

    Karl Marx said “My objective in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism.”

    Karl Marx founder of communism based on evolution.
    As a Father and role model he had six children, three of which died of starvation in infancy, two others committed suicide. When he died 6 people attended his funeral. Popular guy.

    Karl Marx’s (how to take over a country with communism) Communist Manifesto 1848:
    1. Abolish private property.
    2. Heavy progressive income tax.
    3. Abolish rights of inheritance
    4. Confiscation of property rights
    5. Central Bank
    6. Government ownership of communication and transportation.
    7. Government control of labor.
    8. Government ownership of factories and agriculture.
    9. Corporate farms, reginal planning.
    10. Free education for All Children in Public Schools. Combination of Education with Industrial Production.

    In the first 12 months after gun owners in Australia were forced to surrender 640,281 personal firearms to be destroyed. (a program costing the government more then half a billion dollars).

    After that happened:
    Homicides nation wide went up 3.2 percent higher.
    Assualts went up 8.6 percent higher.
    Armed robberies went up 44 percent.
    In the state of Victoria, homicies with firearms went up 300%
    Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms.There has also been a dramatic increas in break-ins and assualts of the elderly.

    In 1911, Turkey established gun conrtol. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    In 1930 Nazi gun control said Jews are prohibited from carrying firearms and ammunition. This was the Nazi gun control decree, Nov. 11, 1938
    Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million jews and others who were unable to defend t hemselves were rounded up and exterminated.

    China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    Cambodia establised gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control = 56 million and counting.

    The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, ask them Who do you want to round up and exterminate? With guns, we are citizens. Without them, we are subjects.

    In 1982 the town of Kennesaw, Georgia passed a law requiring all able adults (except convicts or CO’s) to have a gun. From 1982 to 1994 They have had only one murder (from an out of state criminal with a gun) and have had no increase in crime or violence in those 12 years.

    • MSb says:

      I’d like to see which of those “world order wizards” would be willng to volunteer to be eliminated to save the earth from so-called excess population!

      Any volunteers? I’m waiting . . . .

      Yep, that’s what I thought . . .

  108. Sry I went off on a tangent my fault. Just wanted people to know.

  109. Ruby Lillian says:

    Those quotes are fascinating. Thanks for all the info.

  110. Lyn Leahz says:

    D CITY: Yes..and he’s one evil man! That video, however, was just funny. ;-) It was sent to me by someone months ago.

  111. Bahar1 says:

    Lyn, Thank you so much for posting these vids! Great Jewish music and dance – all men – lol!
    Shalom,
    G

    • Lyn Leahz says:

      You’re welcome, Bahar1! I saw a bunch of ungodly videos and thought we needed some godly…and thought some good fun videos that weren’t too bad could brighten a few faces. God bless you!

      • Ruby Lillian says:

        Exactly…I was glad too see a break in the evil troll postings. What was up with that? Just some haters up late at night mocking God? You know what though…this is what Christians should expect to endure in end times. Again thanks for posting awesome videos Lyn.

    • Lyn Leahz says:

      Well, there are women in the Micha’el ben david, shema yisrael video…and he is a very nice man. I keep in touch with him, and he is amazing. He travels constantly, requests no money from anyone,a and visits churches as he is asked to sing.

  112. Teresa says:

    This is good. This posted article has brought people to interact together. My prayer is that all would see themselves as needing the Savior, Jesus Christ. I have another comment. God warned us in the beginning.Genesis 4:7. Sin IS DESIRING all of us. Jesus set us free. If is looks like the world – it is of the world. Those who have been set free know this.

  113. Lyn Leahz says:

    Today is Purim..a very important Jewish Holiday which also reflects tribulation times. Watch this amazing video by Perry Stone!

  114. Lyn Leahz says:

    Here’s one in a church service. You decide. Godly, or ungodly?

    http://youtu.be/pXufq59BPTU

  115. Lyn Leahz says:

    Note: in this one, you can see the name of the church in the background. This looks pretty wicked to me.

    • Lyn Leahz says:

      Since when do God’s people where black hoods and robes, or dress, and convulse around at the same time like a bunch of people serving Satan? They look like Satanists…moving their bodies to the drumbeat of the devil himself… I’ve been to pentecostal churches..and I do believe in the anointing of the Holy Spirit and such, however, this is an evil counterfeit, obviously constructed by Satan himself meant to demean and insult the Body of Christ! I’ll bet while these people are all shaking it up Satan is kicked back laughing his rear end off. If we partake in something like this, we are slapping God in the face! Woe to us when we kneel before Him and give account for everything we have, and have NOT, done. We will be so very ashamed. We can laugh at that now, or mock it, saying, “Oh yeah, right! ha ha ha!” But the day is coming soon. And we will NOT be laughing. Instead, we will be begging for forgiveness.

    • jeff aiden says:

      What makes it wicked?

  116. Lyn Leahz says:

    From Israel–little Jewish boys choir–Yeshiva Boys

  117. Diane says:

    “MASK: Used by pagans around the world to represent animal powers, nature spirits, or ancestral spirits. In pagan rituals, the wearer may chant, dance and enter a trance in order to contact the spirit world and be possessed by the spirit represented by the mask.”

    So much for the “harmless fun” used to reach the lost…
    Didn’t Jesus warn us to be as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves? Why use the means of the ennemy to reach lost souls? That’s stupid and dangerous, a mighty trick of the devil.

    And trying to make christians feel guilty because they rightly exercise their discernment (and thus obey God) is apallingly immature. To me, it denotes either a spirit of accusation or a problem with rejection that’s not been addressed.

    What does it mean exactly to give the lost what they already have and tell them this will change their life? That is fooling them twice. The love of the world is enmity with God. Not doing the Harlem Shake, not being tatooed nor listening to Stryper (not a christian band btw) doesn’t necessarily mean being a “Jesus Crispy d….” and if it does so to certain people then so be it. Each one of these things has grounds from Satan a child of God must be aware of at some point.

    Why would discerning christians be called hating Pharisians? Now THAT is “retarded.”

    You don’t have to look like the people you’re sharing Christ with. You need to love them. Which means putting aside some issues for a while -not accepting them in order to strategically “lure” people to Christ: that’s foolish demagogy. Outreaching is not submitting yourself again to the spirits the losts are still shackled to, and need to be freed from!!!

    Once you’re saved you need to clean your temple, you cannot keep the filth in order to befriend the lost. And a “Jesus Crispy d…” can be as empathetic and full of love for the lost as any other former misfit.

    You want to give your life in order to save the lost? OK, but you still have to it God’s way, not the devil’s or yours.

    • Ruby Lillian says:

      I love it Diane! AMEN AMEN AMEN!:)

    • jeff aiden says:

      Used by pagans? pretty much everything you use in life was first used by pagans. Christmas tree- pagan. concept of holidays – pagans. chocolate was first given as a gift by pagans. technically the “calendar” concept was first used by pagans. many ways that you probably eat your food today in 2013 was first done by “pagans”. You cant pick and choose. If your main argument is “they are wearing a mask, pagans wore masks so they are going to hell”, well…. you get my point.

      • Diane says:

        Hi Jeff,

        “If they do/don’t do something, then/so they are going to Hell”.

        That ‘argument’ you seem to attribute to me (twice): where can you actually find it in my comments, please? You won’t, because that’s not what I said, I hope you’re aware of that and I hope you’re not using that old trick of caricaturing my position to make it easier to attack. Although it looks like that’s what you’re doing.

        I’m not a hater. If I had someone in front of me, professing to be a christian, and they’d explain me they do all sorts of ungodly/unbiblical things because “God is gracious”, I wouldn’t speak harsh words to them. I would do my best to explain them in return that the Bible does not ONLY say that God is gracious. It says a LOT of OTHER things equally important about God that we NEED to know and to practice. Rom.15.4 “For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.” (HOPE is a word that recurs a lot in the NT. :) ) (I love this word!)

        I would do so with love as much as I can (Bill said “We’re a work in progress” I wholeheartedly agree with that), I’m rather soft-spoken so you would hardly call me a hater at this time. However the Bible says we must speak with authority - Titus 2.15 BUT THE WHOLE CHAPTER SHOULD BE READ AS IT’S RELEVANT TO THIS TOPIC when it comes to make doctrinal things clear. I’m not saying I’m 100% foolproof on doctrine (just in case you’d make that easy reply) but at least I don’t delete half the Bible in order to justify my carnal leanings. And as God made His word available to us, which is an astounding grace, I try my best to read it and understand it and put it into practice. With Jesus’ help. Is that being legalistic? I’m just asking.

        One of my top prayers to the LORD has always been “Give me your wisdom please” and “renew my mind” (Rom.12.2). But like the rest of us I’m glad he forgave my sins and is faithful to forgive them as I confess ‘em to Him.

        I also try my best not to judge PERSONS, but whatever THING they said looks wrong to my knowledge of the Bible. Again, “Work in progress”, I try doing it constructively, not negatively, but if someone sounds provocative to me, I sometimes tend to be a bit direct. On the other hand, commenters sometimes do come in a view to provoke. Anyway I’m not a crazy vehement accuser “You’ll go to Hell!” or something. I try to give clear arguments and Bible references whenever I can and depending on the context.

        We all have struggles in the flesh, I do as much as anybody else out there. By the way, Jesus never said being a christian would be a bed of roses. In fact, He said just the opposite and He and the apostles were very straightforward about the ferocious opposition followers of Christ will endure. Christians are at war whether we like it or not, not optional… And if there’s a war, then there’s an enemy. The Bible talks about them (=the devil and his minions and our old nature). Honestly, cannot you see their workings anywhere around you?

        I’m not afraid of them nor do I give them too much importance. But lots of things are said in the Bible about this war and I’m not ignoring these. Don’t want to. If it’s written in the word of God then it must be important. God warns us for our own good, not out of legalism. Proverbs 27.12 “A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself; but the simple pass on, and are punished.” and another proverb almost identical ! 22.3 “A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” The recurring word in Proverbs is “fool”… :D

        This is why I just cannot understand the “No-worries-just-see-Jesus-everywhere-and-everything-will-be-fine-Love-is-all-you-need” position. It just doesn’t make sense and is (no offense to anyone) unbiblical. We need some caution. At least some.

        To sum up, your position -correct me if I’m wrong please: Love for the lost will make you tolerant of ungodly/unbiblical behaviour because the end (=soul winning) justifies the means (=everything is pure to the pure).
        I say: Love of God will make you ever more hungry to know more of his character and will – and He’ll show you his ways and how different they are to ours (which ALSO means tolerate things that we’d think He’ll never tolerate :) ).

        Last thing and sorry for this mammoth post. Pagan things in our everyday life, ok, I get your argument and there are indeed some things we can’t avoid like certain holidays (the concept of a holiday is not pagan Jeff, God gave holy appointments in the year to his people in the OT), I personally dont make Christmas trees but I don’t go hysterical over them. However there are specific pagan things that we can and must indeed shun because they are directly designed by the enemy as a means to worship him and enter into his realm and that place us under his authority. These create a spiritual bound. Rituals such as dances are part of these things. You don’t just put up with a ritual, you actively participate in it, right? I repeat, a mask is an occult tool. It does not make you a satan worshipper just to wear one, but to wear a mask and start a lascivious dance… Man, just think about it! You sure underestimate the enemy and spiritual war in the church . And if it’s not obvious to you, try and ask God about it.

        God can indeed turn a bad thing for his glory but you never know when. I’m not God and you’re not either. ;) Again, Jesus and Satan in the wilderness… If you know it’s ungodly and can avoid it don’t say “He’ll cover it because He’s compassionate”. He’s also just and you’ll be tempting Him then.

        Hello people Satan is out there to get us (“roaring lion seeking whom he may devour” 1Peter 5.8) but the good news is Jesus is Victor and gives us His victory over him. But there’s a fight to fight!!!

  118. Lyn Leahz says:

    Diane: AMEN sister!

  119. Bill says:

    Wow so many comments in here, some witty and others bitchy I’ll just throw in my 2-cents.

    We are living in the “last day’s” no doubt about it but most people haven’t a clue and that’s the churches fault and the fault of pastors everywhere. To much time is spent gathering money. The real truth lies in Genesis 6. What do “you” personalty think God was speaking about? History goes farther back than the bible. As in the Day’s of Noah seems to be used allot but that statement isn’t talking about the violence of out time. None of us should forget our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Yes we’re talking Satan and his crew and his crew are the fallen angels. Satan is thought to have been the “choir director” of sort in Heaven hence the Devil Music of today.

    Astronauts, Pilots, Military, Police etc. are not Nuts for claiming to see “Flying ‘Saucers”. These flying ships seen by Ezekiel go back in history to the Samaritan culture and are the “Fallen Angels” spoke about in the book of Enoch. Now before anyone’s panties get all twisted over Enoch try to remember Enoch Walked with God and was probably considered more “Righteous” than Noah.

    I need to wrap this up before I get to deep. In a nutshell….The Catholic Church is buried deep in evil. It’s followers don’t even read the bible and haven’t a clue. The Vatican I believe will announce that God is a space alien. This will be the “great deception” God sends upon the people of earth. Prophecy is right on track. Lighting striking the Vatican was not a coincidence. Over 1200 injured by a meteorite in Russia without a single death was not a coincidence. The asteroid fly-by on the same day was not a coincidence. There will be signs in the heavens. The 4-blood moons falling on the Jewish Holidays of 2014/15 are another sign from the Heavens. Something very big is getting ready to happen in Israel during these 4-blood moons.

    Scientists especially in the U.K. have been joining animal and human DNA making all sorts of horrid creatures they claim to destroy after so many days. It all started with plant genetics just look to Monsanto and corn. Remember the Nephilim? Satan’s way of corrupting the human DNA strain and God’s creation. Remember the Egyptian cave drawings of men with bird heads etc? This is why God had to destroy humankind and start all over again. The war continues but not for much longer as the “great deception” is coming. Children everywhere including young adults have all grown up on a steady diet of Star Trek and space aliens. The Vatican has it’s own space observatory on Mt. Graham and the telescope used is named the Lucifer Device. Why does the Vatican find a need to explore the heavens with a telescope named the Lucifer Device? The “False Prophet” will soon emerge from the Vatican. Probably in the next 30-days with the election of this next and final Pope.

    I’ve gone to far but people you all need to read for yourself s and don’t rely on just your pastor to give you the truth as many have helped to hide the truth and what is the truth?????? Just remember this…….

    For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

    Stop and really think about that one and go get the Book of Enoch who walked with God and was found “Righteous” in the eye’s of God. One can argue the book of Enoch isn’t in the bible. Really? One can also argue the book of Enoch was removed from the bible just as Revelation was also almost removed from the bible.

    The Rapture is close at hand. Closer than most realize. God is not space alien. As in the day’s of Noah means much more than most realize and one final time you must remember never to forget

    For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms……….i.e. Satan and the fallen angels and those who worship him and them which include many Politicians and most of Hollywood.

  120. Lyn;

    You really started a fire storm, are you hearing this garbage from some of these post, “love Obama, Love Gaga”, we sure left the main point of being brothers and sisters to Christ Jesus, Jesus dance at his cousin wedding when He turned water into wine.
    This is sounding like cult religions: Mormons, JW’s, do not be in dancing!
    Next they will be burning Bibles, because doesn’t like the KJV,.
    Remember the movies “Flash dance, where the people were burning Bibles as they thought it was politically correct to do so!
    All the bad is coming out of these people and it was just started over a video!
    We lost the founding truth, we are to save the lost ones, so they can recieve Salvation!

  121. Lyn Leahz says:

    Amen! And even though I posted a few videos that were humorous and had nothing to do with God, that is why I posted the ones that did..Mich’el Ben David, and so forth. God bless you.

  122. Lyn Leahz says:

    ;-) You’ve got to see this one about Israel I just put here..wow!

    I got the impression that the people who were doing this thing last night were teenagers or kids. They certainly did not seem like adults. No offense to anyone, but this group here seems to really get out of control. It really surprises me. While I love NTEB, don’t get me wrong, and the gentleman who runs it… I think when you let your blog get out of control like this, it makes Christians look silly to those who are not. It totally takes away from the mission and is an insult to God…it ruins our witness. If it were my group here, (no offense to NTEB..just something to think about) I would moderate much more closely. Comments are nice, but there’s a difference between allowing blasphemy, idolatry, lust, and crudeness on a “CHRISTIAN” blog. Everybody is different I guess..but, just saying…I wouldn’t allow anything of this nature on any of my websites. So, it’s kind of confusing to me. I do love his posts, though…can’t complain there. ;-) Kudos!

  123. Lyn Leahz says:

    Pastor: Hmmm..I somewhat noticed more of a calm, and the stepping away from the blasphemy after I posted some godly things here. I think it re directed people’s hearts and attention…or at least, I hope. I am not putting anyone down. I used to be a very, very bad and sinful person.. I stripped in strip clubs, committed adultery, partook in exhibitionism…drank, smoked pot (a few times), had severe anorexia-bulimia at a time in which I nearly died, ran a way from home as a teenager (to Florida), have been homeless…..all sorts of awful things. And I got saved as a child! I grew up in church! I knew better. What excuse did I have? None. This is why I will never sugar coat the truth and will always be direct. I came out of a filthy lifestyle..I survived numerous close calls with death. Through Christ Jesus alone, I have had the victory. There is NO room for sin in a truly saved person’s life.

    • Lyn Leahz says:

      Sorry. Wanted to add one more thing. You see, God had a purpose, and a plan. During many times, I just wanted to die. My first child was born out of an adulterous relationship (I was married and cheated on my husband and became pregnant) That’s a long story… you can read about that here http://lynleahz.com/2012/08/03/i-am-the-voice-of-those-who-cannot-speak/

      However, God, as I said, had a plan. Even though i walked through the valley of the shadow of death, He was with me! He knew that these sinful, terrible things in my life would become my living testimony. He knew that the wicked ol’ devil’s schemes of tragedy and sin would lead to life and the salvation of many.

      So what I would say is this. No matter what you are going through, or how terrible your past is…God can turn it around! He wants to use your witness and He wants to bring you to a place of victory… where you go from ashes to a bright and shining ember..on fire with the Holy Spirit!

      Let’s all rise above Satan today! Let’s see with our spiritual eyes his evil, wicked deceitful plans and expose them! It is our job to expose the Kingdom of Hell! Let’s NEVER, EVER excuse these sinful lifestyles and false doctrines that are seeping into the body of Christ today! If we do, we have forsaken our calling on this earth and will stand in shame before God Almighty!

      Let’s reel in the souls and let’s start the great soul harvest God is waiting on so that Jesus can blow the trumpet (shofar) and we can be redeemed! Hallelujah!

      • Lyn Leahz says:

        Let’s take this sinful lifestyle back to Satan where it came from and let’s stand up and say, “Satan! You are not welcome in my family, you are NOT welcome in my church! In the name of Jesus Christ, you are defeated! For on this rock Christ has built His church, and the walls of your HELL shall not prevail against it! For greater is HE who is in ME, than you, unclean serpent from Hell, who is in this world! Amen! Because the powers of Hell are under my feet, in Jesus name!

  124. Lyn.
    In this video, are just kids acting as kids, maybe they are idiots, but there parents lost control of them along time ago.
    Again, we need to get back to the basics, saving lost souls?

  125. This thing (“harlem shake”) has no business in a Church.

    It is amazing to see some of you posting saying that it is OK to do it in Church etc.

    Sign of the times.

  126. Lyn Leahz says:

    Pastor, I believe I agreed with you. Secondly, the video in reference is Carman in Washington DC singing we need God in America again..so I am afraid I don’t know what you are talking about.

    If you are referencing the video posted in the article on this site… all I can say..Is..we need God in America…and in the world…again! And the only way is to stand up and speak boldly and to tell the truth! And for people to stop doing nothing. Get right with God, lead souls to Christ, spend more time in prayer…. obey.

  127. Lyn Leahz says:

    He is a senior citizen..a retired pastor. So whomever he comes across on the internet is his flock :-) Though the enemy, Satan, has many venues on this thing called, “the web,” praise God that He uses it as well to reach people across the world and tell them the good news! Praise God! We can all be ministers for Him through the internet..reaching many we would never otherwise reach.

  128. Bill says:

    Well I was just asking. Many claim to be Pastors and are not. Many so called Pastors don’t know the word. Many are claiming to be of God and are actually of the Devil…..Yet we shall know them by their fruits and I don’t know this Pastor as yet. Have a blessed day.

  129. Lyn Leahz says:

    Bill: Oh, I know exactly what u mean. There are a lot of self proclaimed teachers, pastors, evangelists, prophets, apostles, and so forth. The question always should be: did God give them this title, or did they give themselves this title? So I understand. It is okay to tell people you are a teacher, pastor, prophet, etc. if God did indeed deem you as such. We always must be careful with these things on the internet. God bless you.

  130. Lyn Leahz says:

    Off the subject, some great stuff I found and posted about useful for everyone’s health! NTEB, you’ll be interested too! http://vineoflife.net/2013/02/23/holy-health-out-of-many-excellent-natural-antivirals-antifungals-and-antibacterials-olive-leaf-extract-could-be-best/

  131. Lyn Leahz says:

    And, this one I just made..great stuff! I use all of this stuff and it really, really works! With all the sickness going around, everyone needs to know about these great things! http://vineoflife.net/2013/02/24/13-evidence-based-medicinal-properties-of-coconut-oil/

  132. Joshua Wise says:

    Here’s another perspective on what the Harlem Shake can actually say about Christ.

    http://theologian78.wordpress.com/2013/02/23/the-hidden-pattern-jesus-and-the-harlem-shake/

    Also, there are two ways to do theology. One is to be afraid of everything, running, hiding, condemning, and cursing. Another is to embrace Christian freedom, love, and boldness, and to read all things through the Incarnate one. I daresay your blog chooses the first route, and that is, as scripture teaches us, a spirit of fear, not of sonship.

    • Lyn Leahz says:

      The Word of God condemns in itself..it does not need us, but we are the feet that carry it. No offense, but your message conveys the sugar coated false doctrine of the ear tickling blasphemous perverseness being spread like a plague today. I can’t find Biblical doctrine to support your theory, unless I dissect the Word of God in parts and pieces, which is accursed, being that the Word of God is a whole living being..not to be taken apart in pieces. I will pray for you.

    • Lyn Leahz says:

      This is for all interested parties: http://lynleahz.com/2012/12/11/how-does-the-average-christian-of-today-see-jesus/ (even Walid Shoebat agreed with this post, as he told me) and..

    • Diane says:

      Hi,
      What about the way to do theology that examines and judges all things (1Corinth. 2.15) according to Scriptures? Like Lyn I don’t mean to offend you but maybe it’s time to put the things in their right perspective: the workings of evil ARE widespread, and discerning and exposing them does not equate to being afraid, hiding, condemning (people -for evil works must be condemned) or cursing… Let’s not be simplistic but wise and discriminating.

      Paul and the apostles must have been terribly wrong according to you… They gave a lot of warnings (Jesus too btw… Wolves in sheep’s clothing? Bah! You’re the Son of God Jesus, don’t be a judgemental chicken!) They accused people of being possessed by evil spirits (Peter with Ananias&Sapphira, Paul and the woman with unclean spirit, etc.), they insisted heavily on the need to be wary of false doctors, false brothers, idolaters, wizards, etc. etc. You think Jesus in the desert should have replied to Satan quoting scriptures “Yeah man you’re right, my brother, let’s be bold and do that!”

      Truth and justice as given in the Bible: that’s love… Because God’s truth and God’s justice set people free from the snares of the enemy. Christian freedom is spiritual, it’s the ability to choose what is right in the eyes if God, it’s the liberation from every spiritual bond (flesh and demonic). Boldness is the courage to speak up and say “get thee from me Satan!” or “get thee from this person!” when everyone around agrees with deadly doctrines that look sooo nice. You might save a person from committing suicide when you do that. Boldness is saying to a confused brother or sister “I’m not sure about this practice or doctrine, do you want us to check scripture and pray for that?”

      Freedom does not come from being able to do whatever pleases us just because “Jesus is mighty to proctect us at all times.” We have our responsibility, we need to cooperate and not be like mindless children. If you can read and think (some people cannot do that: our Lord is infinitely gracious and loving to take care of them, I praise Him for that!) then you can surely take heed to your own way. With the help of Jesus! (quite a help!)

      “To read all things through the Incarnate one” is denying reality. Reality can’t be transformed by mental operations or attitudes, but need to be dealt with through faith in Jesus AND by delivering daily battles. Otherwise what’s the point of all the spiritual equipment described in Ephesians 6 if there’s no spiritual warfare? Jesus set the example of that warfare all through the gospels: he discerned and rebuked works of the flesh, spirits, doctrines…

      It also sounds like the best way to blind yourself to the fact that christians have an enemy, a very active one, who can imitate things from God up to a point when even the elect will be seduced. These aren’t my own fearful words…

  133. Lyn Leahz says:

    The Word of God condemns in itself..it does not need us, but we are the feet that carry it. No offense, but your message conveys the sugar coated false doctrine of the ear tickling blasphemous perverseness being spread like a plague today. I can’t find Biblical doctrine to support your theory, unless I dissect the Word of God in parts and pieces, which is accursed, being that the Word of God is a whole living being..not to be taken apart in pieces. I will pray for you.
    This is for all interested parties: http://lynleahz.com/2012/12/11/how-does-the-average-christian-of-today-see-jesus/ (even Walid Shoebat agreed with this post, as he told me) and..
    http://lynleahz.com/2012/07/23/does-god-need-to-send-another-talking-jack-ass-to-get-you-to-move/

  134. Lyn Leahz says:

    I Peter 2:8-15

    “8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

    9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light;

    10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

    11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

    12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

    13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;

    14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

    15 For so is the will of God, that with well-doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:”

  135. wow.just.wow says:

    And people wonder why christianity is on the fast decline. “Anything that I don’t like is the debil!” It would be funny if it wasn’t so archaic and pathetic.

  136. Lyn Leahz says:

    We are merely trying to warn people..and I’m sure Satan does not like it. Dear one, you will soon find out…very soon that we were right. I will pray for you.

    Matthew 7:21-24

    New King James Version (NKJV)
    I Never Knew You

    21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

    he Lukewarm Church

    14 “And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans[a] write,

    ‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: 15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot,[b] I will vomit you out of My mouth. 17 Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— 18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. 21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

    22 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’”

  137. Lyn Leahz says:

    And Christianity may be on the decline because Satan is rampant in the world at this time because we are in the end times and Jesus is coming soon! But watch! A great revival like none other is coming and the Kingdom of Hell will be destroyed! Choose this day whom you shall serve! As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!

  138. Lyn Leahz says:

    Read your Bible! Read the book of Revelation! Meditate on it, day and night and pray..before it is too late!

  139. ishake says:

    I like the harlem shake… i dont think its bad.

  140. vp.private says:

    i, like all of you, have been watching the signs and cannot deny that the Lord is coming for his bride. i have watched in horror, everyday, the bible prophesies that are being fullfilled . i have been searching for the truth and i have come to it . Christ. and i am following God in what seems like on my own. i can feel the holy spirit , and i can feel the spiritual presence on this world. i find it overwealming. if someone would see this and reply it would be greatly appreciated. i am reaching out towards the real truth. i could use a friend who believes. i am what we call a juggalo .. i listen to a certain undergrund music that speaks to me .. although it can be somewhat crude, it shines light on everything that is going down in this world. it provides a metaphor or allegory of somewhat of this world. most people cant understand and look away from God because they dont understand what Jesus offers. My music shows the people who look away, the wickidness of the world. it blackens the line between spiritual awareness and the pleasures that makes those ignore the need for the salvation of our sins. it points its fanbase towards God. Towards the light. reminding them of what awaits them in hell, and how they could easily change and get back on the right path. it points you toward heaven, and shows you what awaits in hell. although intense, ive seen it take others to a place know churchgoer could have showed them. it identifies with them on a personal level. i know im a sinner, but i know i can still have salvation through Christ. i want to serve Lord Jesus and want to follow only where he wants me to go. i know God has a plan, and Jesus gives me all the faith in the world.. if smeone would like to discuss this subject, please reply. im only looking to be right with My Lord.
    -A Christian Juggalo

  141. Bill says:

    What a beautiful day here where I’m at. Had a wonderful time throwing the ball in the park. A good workout for the heart.

    Blah blah blahblahblah. Your not saving any souls today Lyn by reprinting the bible. Unless what you’ve re-printed of the bible is studied it will make no sense to anyone as most eye’s of today have already been blinded.
    You might as well try proving water to a fish.

    As far as a great revival coming I’m afraid it’s not coming while I’m still here on the earth. No……it’s coming during the great tribulation and I won’t be here for that Praise God. You’d better get some pop-corn as the show has already started.

  142. janet s says:

    @ Bill : I did read that article and did find there is a former Bethel student who performs ” resurrections” at crime and accident scenes. As a Christian, I agree this should not be done. This is very different from what I was referring to. I would pray and ask GOD, if it is His will, to bring back my loved one to consciousness or back to health at a hospital. God knows exactly what I meant, even if you didn’t…God bless…

  143. Lyn Leahz says:

    Bill, it’s called the soul harvest, and you need to study your Bible better. Also, if you have the love of God in your heart…you would know that you can’t go around being hateful and mean to people. Nor would you condemn the usage of the Word of God. That is what we, as followers of Jesus, are supposed to do. God bless you in your walk with Jesus, and I hope the Holy Spirit will convict our hearts where it is needed so that we can come to repentance for our pious, prideful, ungodly, judgmental, condemning attitudes we exude as we sit behind the safety of a computer screen. For I feel most of what rudeness is passed around on the internet would not be done face to face…as many people in person, as yourself, Bill, are cowards when confronted in person. God bless you.

    • Bill says:

      I apologize if you feel I’ve been hateful and mean. I don’t nor have I, condemned the usage of the word of God. I have condemned no one. You don’t know me or anything about me. You call me a coward and that’s not what I am. I am a child of God, and you…….well, I understand you’re one of the big fish here in this little pond but, you toot your own horn just a bit more than maybe one should. I could go on but, I think I’ll stop right there.

      God bless you Lyn Leahz.

  144. Hildi says:

    Thank you so much, NTEB, for sending out this urgent warning about the”Harlem Shake”!

    As I first read the title, I thought it said; “Harlot Snake” After watching the disgusting video, I thought this would be an appropriate title for this dance….It fits the way they dance in a sex appealing way. The one who is behind it is no other than Satan himself who was in the guise of a snake in the garden of Edon.

    I wept as I saw this taking place in churches….. When I see how gullible even churchgoers are, I wonder how it will be when the Mark of the beast comes along….

    I informed and warned my 4 teenagers today about what I had learned from this article. They knew all about the Harlem Shake already. My eldest daughter had even thought about taking part in a huge Harlem Shake dance event in the next city here yesterday. Praise the Lord, He prevented her from doing it!

    My kids were thankful that I informed them. They thought in a way it looked fun. But on the other hand, they sensed that something was not good about it.My daughter even sent warning messages to all her Christian friends after I had talked to her.

    We have to stay close to the Lord in prayer and in His Word in these perilous times!

    May the Lord bless and protect you all!

  145. janet s says:

    @ Lyn: you have a beautiful testimony, thanks for sharing ! I think everyone here should share to show humility and remember the the foundation. Whether you are a new convert, like myself, or not.

  146. Lyn Leahz says:

    Thank you for the uplifting and encouraging words. I agree. Many are my enemies in this room, so to speak, who hate me because I speak truth. Yet I have revealed things about myself…terrible things…in their presence. Even those who wear the badge that says “Christian” have acted despicably so. Again, thanks so much for your kind and encouraging words. God bless you. ♥

  147. Ruby Lillian says:

    Lyn..I believe some of these posts are from people who happened upon this blog and are doing their best to antagonize us and belittle Christianity. Honestly, I have never seen bizarre post like these.

  148. Ruby Lillian says:

    That being said..we are in End Times and these things will happen to Christians.

  149. Lyn Leahz says:

    I have to agree with you there. I have thought the same thing.

  150. Lee says:

    This just shows that that satan is ramping up his effort during these last days. He will do whatever it takes because his time is short and he wants to take down as many as he can during this time. Look up because our day draws nigh.

  151. Ruby Lillian says:

    Look at post(s) 128-156. Those are not Christians looking to have a friendly debate. That is end time hatred for Christians.

  152. Ruby Lillian says:

    That’s right Lee!!

  153. Lyn Leahz says:

    @ Ruby And then some sister…. you are right! God bless you, and the peace of Jesus Christ be with you. This guy posts great stuff..but many of his commentators comments are grossly neglected.

  154. Lyn Leahz says:

    I think you need to re read your first comment to me. Furthermore, I will toot my horn as much as God honks it. If you do not like it, don’t read my comments…problem solved. If my speaking truth offends you, you need to take a second look at your “Christian” life. For I’ve said nothing here that is unbiblical or wrong. You don’t go and rebuke a brother or a sister in Christ for speaking God’s Word, and for speaking truth..and that is what, so far, both of your messages to me are doing. I have had to do this myself..and I suggest, again, that you do it too. Re -read what you have written…because you don’t know me other. You have come to me and rebuked me…and for what? Tooting my horn, as you put it? Again…if I feel led to toot my horn, I’ll toot it. If I feel led to blare it, I’ll do that too.

  155. Lyn Leahz says:

    @Bill it sounds like, and I could be wrong, that you have some pride issues. You can’t say I do, as I’ve (above) revealed VERY personal things about my life that are terrible before my friends, and enemies. I am, however, very zealous for God and I will ALWAYS protect His Word and speak truth..for His Word is Holy and true…. I am obedient to Him, not to you or anyone else. It sounds more to me like you are tooting your horn…and at someone who isn’t even sitting in your way.

  156. Bill says:

    Toot away Lyn…….your audience awaits.

  157. Lyn Leahz says:

    Bill…grow up in the Lord. I feel like I am speaking to a ten year old. I really do not have time for silliness… True followers of Christ are called to minister to those who are hungry, not to those who are full of themselves and too pious to hear. You say you are Christian, and that you are going home when the trumpet blows..but Christians never attack a sister or brother, or rebuke them, for speaking God’s word.

    One and one don’t equal two with you. I sense a strong spirit of pride and strife in you. I’m sure it is deeply rooted..but you know it’s there. If I were you, I would repent for that and be done with it before Jesus does come back. In the Kingdom of God, we are all the same..no one is higher than the other…

    yet, we are supposed to rebuke/correct our sisters and brothers in a godly way when they are preaching false doctrine, or in the wrong. So, I have done nothing which is unbiblical. I am just saying, if I were you, I would re examine your heart here. For you have attacked me for no reason whatsoever.

    It sounds to me like you have some spiritual bondage..of course you will deny it, but it does come across strong. You can be free of that if you clear your mind, ask the Holy Spirit to convict you, repent for it, and allow Jesus to steer your wheel instead of yourself. This life is NOT about ourselves. It is only about serving God. Our jobs don’t really matter. The clothes we wear don’t matter. The food we eat does not matter…just as long as we are sustained. We are only here for a short time to do the work for the Father… not sit around in a web chat and tear each other apart and argue and demean people. We are, as Christians, to speak truth..and nothing but the truth, and to edify one another.

    There truly is no place in the Kingdom of heaven for much of the behavior I see exhibited in this place. It is offensive, and it is demeaning and corrupt. Fire away, Bill.. you may say whatever, insult me, be arrogant….put me down, make fun of me, rebuke me..whatever your heart desires. As for me, I have no need to continue in any conversation with you. We are to humble, but God does not expect us to be walked all over either..especially by those who claim to be Christian, yet do not walk in the shoes of a Christian. I know you will not, because you are too proud but I urge you, before it is too late, to re examine your life against God’s Word. None of us are perfect, but whoever says He loves God but does not love his brother or sister is a liar…for you can’t hate your brother or sister if you have His love in your heart. Nor does one seek out to tear another person apart. If I speak lies and false doctrine, I want to be corrected. But if I am corrected when I know what the Word of God says for speaking it, then too bad. God bless.

    There is a strong spirit of strife, blasphemy, arrogance, and pride in this place…very strong. This is a den of lions..and when true Christians come here, they are like raw meat to the lions who attack them. I thought this was a Christian website.. but I see it is merely a den of corruption disguised as a Holy place.

    God be with all of you..every one of you… time is VERY short! When God sends people to warn you and tell you, just like the Pharisees and sadduccees did to Jesus and the apostles..you spit on them, reject them, persecute them, and treat them horribly..yet call yourselves ‘Christian.; God have mercy on you!

    • Bill says:

      Lyn: Take a chill pill before you have a stroke. You’re not speaking with one of your past customers o.k.

      Of the 271 posted comments at this time you’ve contributed 74 of those. Are you Manic?

      I don’t know you nor do I know you are a sister in Christ, from here it appears you might be just a little disturbed.

      Thank-You for your personal observation and input to what you think I should do however, I do happen to know my bible and then some and right now I think I’m dealing with a crazy religious nut case who since I’ve been here has used this forum to promote herself under the guise of “Glory to God”.

      You accuse me of hiding behind a computer when in fact it’s you who’s been in a posting frenzy most of the day and you haven’t lead one person to Christ in all your blabbing. Soul Harvest…….lol

      I actually witness to people face to face frequently and no I’m not a JW. I’m just a little tired of people like yourself who tend to puff themselves up with sad stories and published books. Are you special? Hum yes, from here it appears you are some kind of special aren’t you. Well get over yourself everyone has a tough luck story you’re one of the last people I’d ever want trying to share the bible with me. What you should be concerned with is the current situation at hand and the timeline to bible prophecy but then you wouldn’t be able to promote yourself would you because that’s what it’s really all about with you in here right. This is like your personal little room to blab in all day hoping to sell a book or two about your hard life and how you came to know Jesus right………Please give us a break woman. Good Grief.

  158. Bahar1 says:

    Love Confronts. Hate looks the other way. I am glad that Bill was confronted about his unwise and untrue assumptions about this Godly sister. Too bad she had to do it. Where is the site monitor here?

  159. Grace2001 says:

    I don’t think Bill meant any harm. What I took from his comment was he may be feeling that some people wont understand the Bible quotes because they aren’t taking the time to read and study scripture. They may be blinded. I don’t think he meant any disrespect.to you. You def tore him apart and I think it was just a misunderstanding. Sometimes typed words get misconstrued.

  160. Gordon says:

    Wow! Quite a comment page. First off I would like to say that this dance “Harlem Shake” may have it’s place in the secular world, it is very inappropriate in God’s house. It does look satanic to me. It even sounds satanic. Listen to the music at the end of the video, it sounds like demons are growling. And many are wearing masks and dressed in black gowns. How Holy is that?! Not Godly one bit! It makes a mockery of God and Christianity.

    Second, I see that Lyn has made many comments from the word of God! I read a comment from Bill, who said that nobody will read it or understand it and it will lead no one to salvation. Wow, are you serious?! You said that you are a child of God! No offense to you, but, I feel that I must rebuke you. You are so wrong on this one. If we are not to lead people to Christ for salvation, then what are we supposed to lead them with? Please tell me! It is all about the word of God. That is what it is ALL about! Without the word of God, there is no salvation. For God said that he is the word. (New International Version “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
    Straight from the bible. How can anyone argue with that? Please tell me.
    It sounds like you are saying just sit back, have some popcorn and do nothing!

    Lyn is providing a wonderful service to the lost and to the saved! By warning others of “the signs of the times” that Jesus himself told us to be watching for. Also bringing back those who have fallen away from the faith.

    Johnathan Wise made some comments regarding Lyns Website:
    “Also, there are two ways to do theology. One is to be afraid of everything, running, hiding, condemning, and cursing. Another is to embrace Christian freedom, love, and boldness, and to read all things through the Incarnate one. I daresay your blog chooses the first route, and that is, as scripture teaches us, a spirit of fear, not of sonship.”

    You, Johnathan are completely missing the point!!!! I cannot believe it. Well, actually I can because Jesus warned us of this! Can’t you see what Lyn is doing? Why she is posting the things that she does? Please open your eyes. This is all the truth. She is not promoting fear, condemning or cursing, neither is she afraid and hiding, contrary to that sir. I know Lyn personally, this could not be further from the truth. Lyn is a God fearing women who is walking very close to the Lord each and every day. She has been blessed by the Lord and is annointed by the Lord. Lyn is a blessing for more people than I could ever count. Please pray for the Holy Spirit to enlighten you for truth and insight.
    God Bless You both!!!! Amen

    • Ron Murphy says:

      That’s good, Gordon, His word is life and created this world. There is nothing more important. Don’t stop, Lyn. Quoting God life giving words will break the chains.

  161. Grace2001 says:

    Lets just be good to each other. This bickering is not what this website is for. We are supposed to love each other:)

    • Gordon says:

      This is not bickering! This is rebuking and reproving like Jesus commanded!!!! us to do.

      There is a huge difference. Telling another Christian to not quote scripture because no one will understand it?! Whaaaaaat!!!!? God is the Word. We must preach the word. That is what being a Christian is!

      Love is also about rebuking and reproving. God even says that he reproves and disciplines those that he loves. It is written in the bible!!!!! God Bless! ;-)

  162. Grace2001 says:

    I missed something…who Is Johnathon Wise?

  163. Lyn Leahz says:

    I re read his comments several times, and even again..and I apologize to you..but his comments were down right rude and inappropriate and made no sense coming from a Christian. Thank you, however, for trying to read between the lines and trying to be positive sister. God bless you for that. ♥

  164. Lyn Leahz says:

    You’ve got that right.

  165. Lyn Leahz says:

    Yeah..like Creed, for example..the lead singer was an alcoholic..major alcoholic..

  166. Lyn Leahz says:

    @tyler You are right, Tyler. The people who want to constantly pervert and argue the truth do so in order to find loopholes for their sin, to make their sin okay so that they don’t feel convicted. This is a lie of the enemy because without conviction, their is no repentance..and without repentance, there is no salvation. This is the days of what was spoken about people’s consciences being seared with a hot iron. The days of moral decay. The days of the persecution of the church. We are being argued and persecuted, and the truth being perverted here, simply because the enemy, Satan does not like it. These people want to believe the sugar coated truth that tickles their ears… the hardcore truth offends. My god, they might actually feel bad for something they’re doing they do not want to give up. Well, Jesus carried His cross for us..which was highly painful and tormenting. We are supposed to carry ours. Carrying our cross also means suffering for those things we want and can’t have…because we obey the Holy Spirit and no longer live in the flesh. Many of these people are not truly saved, this is why they do not understand. We are talking to their oppressive spirits they have given themselves over to. The Bible says that we can judge according to the works…and the works I am seeing here show me that there are a lot here who do not truly know Jesus Christ as their Savior..for it they did, they would have the Spirit of Truth in them, and they would never, ever, pervert the Word of God. God bless you, brother! Go forth as bold as a lion, with the face of a lamb! May the anointing of the Holy Spirit continue to rest heavy upon you, as you continue in wisdom and faith. ♥♥♥

  167. Lyn,
    You opened this can of worms, so there will come alot of insults with it!
    What do you think, these people are depressed with their lives, Obama is taking all their freedoms away from them, so they feel they can make your life just as bad as theirs.
    Enjoy their insults tell them you like them, for our reward are great in Heaven

  168. Lyn Leahz says:

    I don’t mind the insults. Because I know this…. if the world hates me, I am doing something right. We are not here to gain the love of the world, but the approval of God in heaven above…. “If God is for us, who can be against us?” If God is all in all…then these things are meaningless…and we will ALL give account VERY SOON, as the days are short, as we kneel at the throne of God. So I am not worried…may the blood be upon their hands..and not on mine, because I have done as I am supposed to and told the truth. The devil is a liar, and the father of lies. That is why they reject the words of us who know the truth, because they are not serving God one hundred percent. The Bible says we either serve God, or Satan. You can’t have both.

  169. Lyn Leahz says:

    Love to you, in Christ and the Holy Spirit Brother.

  170. BILL:
    If Lyn offend you or you feel insulted by her, just let it be. We need to so love to our christian brothers and sisters, not by trading insults with insults

    The best idea is drop it!

    • Bill says:

      I don’t communicate this way………I’m going away and I won’t be back. I don’t tweet and I don’t text. Lyn has unresolved issues. I’ve seen this before. She needs more than just Jesus at this point. I don’t think she could tell the difference between Judgement and discernment. She made many accusations from nothing really. She turned a mole hill into a mountain because this woman loves to argue. She’s always right I can tell. Any man is just wasting his time trying to communicate with this type of woman and I could care less about her ideas here in this forum. I know where I stand with God. I’ll continue to keep looking up and watching for the election of the false prophet next month. If she really wants to win some souls maybe she needs to write another book……..lol

  171. Lyn,
    Is not this great, all these insults from people!

    It only shows we are close to go home and be with Jesus Christ!

    Satan can’t wait until he takes over this world!

  172. Lyn Leahz says:

    Amen. He is so restless and impatient, he shows his true colors during his temper tantrums.

  173. earl says:

    Amen, sister Lyn. Fight the good fight. Testify to truth. All of God’s true prophets come always under attack and insult.

  174. Lyn Leahz says:

    I only saw the first part of your comment, enough not to read the rest.. one of my past customers?? I am unsure what that is to mean..however, I thought I said I am not interested in conversation with you. Thanks for respecting my request. God bless you. If I were you, I would repent for the hatred you have in your heart toward me, as well as for the undeserved insults. Those types of things block the flow of the Holy Spirit in your life.

    • Bill says:

      Ex-Stripper I believe? Isn’t that what you said you used to be. I guess I’d have to read your book for the complete bio. and I’m not up for it.

      • Gordon says:

        Unbelievable!!!! Are you a Christian? Please, whoever is without sin cast the first stone!

        Talk about crossing the line.

        Disagreements are one thing, but, you have gone to far!!!!

        I sense an evil spirit. May God Bless You!!!!!

  175. Lyn Leahz says:

    God bless you Earl. Right now I am being demoralized by a character here named Bill..who just referred to me, I believe..not sure..but sounded that way..as a prostitute.. “one of my past customers…” Terrible terrible. So your kindness is much appreciated..a breath of fresh air!

  176. Lyn Leahz says:

    Thank you for saying all of these lovely things…and thank you for proving my point I made in a previous comment–Angry, accusational, rude, cold, and insulting. Not the fruit of the Holy Spirit, bro. God bless you, and may Christ convict you of your arrogance and hatred so that you will repent and be blessed.

  177. Lyn Leahz says:

    Let me just ask you this Bill. What would Jesus do? If you were a disciple back in the day..do you think Jesus would rebuke you for the things you are saying to me? Would you find a disciple in the Bible saying things like this to someone? I don’t think so. Again, you’re proving my point. Thank you so much. God bless.

  178. Lyn Leahz says:

    And yes I did, Praise God, I have been forgiven. That was many years ago. Let me just show you your fruit… the devil reminds us of our past in hateful ways. You are producing hatred and strife..this is not the fruit of the Spirit of truth. I am sorry you have been deceived. I would never, in a million years stoop so low as to say something like that to someone. And it’s okay. You are only making yourself look bad.

  179. Debra says:

    Gordan, Great post! I agree with you! Lyn, Don’t be dicouraged! Keep posting the word of God and the truth! Just recently a guy named John asked to receive the Lord Jesus as his Saviour because of the scriptures many of us posted earlier! You never know who will be open to the Lord Jesus as you post the truth of the word of God. Keep up the faith! God Bless!

    • Gordon says:

      Thank you Debra, I appreciate your kind words of encouragement.

      What I said is the truth! Lyn is correct.

      When I read your comment, I felt the Holy Spirit annointing me!!!!! That is so very awesome!!!!! I send my blessings to John and pray for the Holy Spirit to guide him and enlighten him to the word. Amen ;-)

      • Lyn Leahz says:

        Yes. I stand in agreement. The powers of Hell are waging war…heavenly Father, give John strength and give him an extra measure of your anointing and wisdom for each and every day. We pray in advance that you surround Him with a hedge of protection so that the enemy’s arrows bounce off of him. In Jesus name, amen!

  180. Lyn Leahz says:

    Well that is awesome sister! God bless you and thanks so much for sharing this awesome news! Praise the Lord!

  181. Lyn Leahz says:

    Amen! And the devil was just angry because someone heard the truth and got saved..he was throwing a hissy fit and behaving like a child! I love it when the devil gets his toes stepped up! Bless the Lord, O my soul, and all that is within me..bless His holy name! Praise the Lord!

    • Gordon says:

      AMEN!!!!! To that!!!!!!

      God is just and true. He loves his children.

      Satan cannot stand against the word of God Almighty!

      Hallelujah!!!!! Praise God!!!! ;-)

  182. Yes the Lord works in mysterious ways. His power is mighty. I been working on an intro all day long. Tired now.

  183. LYN:
    NASA REPORTED WE WILL GET HIT BY A SUN BURST. 3 TIMES THE SIZE OF OUR PLANET WHICH WILL MESS UP OUR INTERNET SERVICES AND T.V. SERVICES.
    SO TODAY THE INTERNET BEEN GOING OFF AND ON ALL DAY, MY CABLE SERVICES IS CAUSING MY PROGRAMS ON T.V ALSO MESS UP!
    LOOK LIKE THE END OF THE DAYS IS HERE, ITS BEGINNING!
    WHAT NEXT 9.0 EARTHQUAKE IN THE USA WEST COAST?

    INSTEAD OF BITCHING AT EACH OTHER, WE NEED TO START SAVING LOST SOULS AND THE ONES THAT WANT TO CAUSED PROBLEMS, OVER LOOK THEM, THERE TIME IS COMING AT JUDGEMENT DAY!

    • Lyn Leahz says:

      So you’ve been having problems on your internet and stuff? I’ve had a few problems with the internet today..weird stuff..but nothing electrical. When did Nasa report this?

  184. LYN,
    I READ ABOUT IT 3 DAYS AGO, FROM NASA WEB SITE, THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AND THEY SAID, ITS GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET WOREST, NASA REPORTED THEIRS A COMET CLOSE FLYBY IN JAN. 2014 AND POSSIBLE THE TAIL WILL GET CLOSE TO EARTH?

    WE ARE IN THE LAST DAYS FOR SURE, THESE THINGS NEVER EVER HAPPEN!

  185. LYN:
    MY FRIENDS ALL OVER THIS PLANET IS HAVING PROBLEMS WITH INTERNET SERVICES TODAY!

  186. Lyn Leahz says:

    I saw the nasa/weather channel post on the rapid sun spot that got huge in less than 48 hours..has there been more sense, or is it the same thing?

  187. Lyn Leahz says:

    Just the webpages doing weird stuff..slow…and I have to hit enter to make the page load…and then my outlook email was acting funny and I had to close it down..then it would not open fresh…that sort of stuff.

  188. LYN,
    ITS THE SAME THING!
    WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITHOUT INTERNET?

    ITS KINDA FUNNY TO ME, MY WIFES I PAD AND I PHONE IS UP AND DOWN, BUT SHE’S ADDICT TO IT, AND ITS DRIVING HER NUTS! HA HA HA!

  189. Lyn Leahz says:

    I guess I’d be doing the Harlem shake in the middle of my living room! ROFL NOT! I’d clean my house, take a walk, do 80 military style pushups (I do really do those..great for abs..btw!), I’d read a paperback book by the window, or by a candle…read the Bible…and I can tell you one thing for sure I’d be doing..PRAYING! That would be awful! All of my closest comforts to my heart are my bloggy friends who live miles away. I would have no way to contact them at all.

  190. LYN;
    I HEARD BILL HIT THE ROAD, AND HE’S NOT COMING BACK, I HOPE HE HAS A SAFE TRIP!

  191. Lyn Leahz says:

    Ha ha ha! THat’s a good one!

  192. Lyn Leahz says:

    D CITY: I posted you some funnies. You said you needed a laugh.

  193. Lyn Leahz says:

    D CITY: WHICH ONES? The ones from earlier..or the farting old guy? The talking dog is pretty good too..but I have to admit..both fart vids make me laugh soooo hard! It’s humor we can watch, as Christians, and not feel guilty about. At least it’s not real toots! LOL Hey, didn’t someone say something earlier about my TOOTING my horn? ha!

  194. D CITY,

    ARE YOU HAVING PROBLEMS WITH INTERNET TODAY?
    SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS, BUT I NEED A NEW KEY BOARD!
    WHERE DOES IT SAY IN SCRIPTURE THAT GLOBAL COMMUNICATION WILL HAVE PROBLEMS?
    I GUESS I COULD USE A PIGEON AND SEND THESE COMMENT FASTER THAN USING INTERNET SERVICES!

  195. The walmart store guy and the one from yesterday with muhammad are hilarious. No pastor no problems with Internet at all for me. I in north east though. I been working hard on these intros alll day and I am uploading them to my youtube channel now. I need to know which ones are best or you like best though. Not sure if I should post em here. If you want to take a look let me know.

  196. I haven’t been here hardly all day. Been buried in my screen on this 3D intro. I think they came out pretty nice.

  197. The best hug is the little old lady at 2:52 — 2:55 when she dances lol

  198. Marie says:

    You know…in a Sunday school class the other day some kids were singing “Happy Birthday” to another classmate…later that day…they had a party in the fellowship hall that included a pin the tail on the donkey, a pinata with candy, and various other games…none which edified God! Seriously folks, there are fun things that people will do and it is not all going to be a “spiritual” moment! We are so offended by everything we see anymore that we are just pushing kids, youth, the hurting right out of our sanctuary doors! This being said…we do need to stand up against sin, we do need to declare Holiness, we do need to reach the lost, but there is a balance. I watched several videos regarding this music/dance, and yes, some folks were very offensive. I’ve watched some that were not offensive and were clean, and very funny! The world can, and has taken stuff that originated from the church and has made a mockery of it, but at the same time, this hasn’t stopped our worship, our praise. I just see people taking something and making it fun, funny, and clean. Quit pulling the splinters out of everyone’s eyes while you walk around with a tree in your eyes!

  199. Mario says:

    Amazing the level of blindness that is affecting the Christioan community, Does not your Bible says “Abstain from all appearance of evil”? Checlk on you tube the Kundalini in the Church, people smoking “Jehovawana” and barking like dogs and acting like sneaks, preachers preaching as they are drunks and call it been drunk in the Spirit? The Bible says stay away from all appearance of evil and here we are embracing all that is evil and calling out our brothers who dare to speak up as legalistic and this is just fun? Is this what you are trying to tell Jesus?

    The Great Fall away is among us and “Christians” are blind, worst than the unbelievers.

  200. Lyn Leahz says:

    D CITY: I went to bed…sorry. What type of thing are you making you’ve been working on that is 3D?

  201. Lyn Leahz says:

    D CITY: Did you make the video? I know you didn’t record the guy, I mean the effects and putting it together. Man I want one of those slap chops now! LOL!!!!

  202. Lyn Leahz says:

    Did you put these together D City?

    • Bill says:

      Good Morning Lyn:-)

      Wow I didn’t know just who I was dealing with. Your all over the internet! People everywhere Praise you. Wow. It must feel good having such an audience.

      No I’m not bitter at all, just getting in a few licks before I start my day.

      I should have never commented to you about those who are blind as you obviously took it as an attack and this is your life spreading the word however, I was not attacking you I was just stating a fact. Sharing my opinion which was not welcomed by you in this forum which is obvious in your nasty & vicious accusing response. You brought out something in me that wasn’t nice and I’m naturally bold without any tact. I tend to say whatever not caring if I hurt feelings as, I as well speak more truth than some care to hear.

      I do truly apologize to you for any misunderstanding we’ve had. I said some terrible things to you out of anger but……..I’m just a work in progress.

      You judged me and you did it first. Don’t say you didn’t because you did. You want the truth right? Well here’s some more truth. You’re not alone. Most people judge others all the time without admitting it to themselves or to others, it’s completely normal and I forgive you. You as well are a work in progress. Your not there yet and neither am I.

      Though I have many rounds left in me, win, lose or draw, I’m not going to be your opponent.

      Have a blessed day today Lyn in your walk.
      Bill.

    • No neither of those is mine. I am still working on mine. I need to tweak them. Mine is just a 3D intro to put with videos I create and upload on my channel. These aren’t mine, I was just trying to break the monotony get people to laugh a bit.

  203. Bahar1 says:

    Amen and Amen to that! You warriors for Jesus our Lord continue to fight the good fight with the sword of His Word. It never fails to bring fruit. Shalom!

  204. Bahar1 says:

    These comments are getting so long they now have to be referenced by number! Anyway, my comment #335 was to comment # 296 and 297 about someone getting saved thru this blog.

  205. Sue Hart says:

    Here is my concern — first, the judgment is astounding. Let me say I do believe in judging (it’s biblical for those inside of the church – what do we have to do with those outside the church, the Bible states). My concern is this — people are assuming, & for the most part incorrectly, that this is a part of a praise service. Most of the videos I have watched with youth and church is more like a skit mentality – meaning, it’s planned in advance, in fact at times the audience is even aware of it, it’s then spliced a bit to make it into the 30 second format that defines most of the Harlem Shake videos. It is not as if the church is involved in moments of praise and then someone goes, “HEY, let’s do the Harlem Shuffle!”

    Do I like the videos? Not really. Do I consider this praise service? not at all. What not only bugs me but actually sickens me is the Holiness attitude (meaning, it’s the same spirit I saw around many Holiness Church preachers — and it’s the same Pharisaic attitude). The problem is most of the people commenting on here are not just espousing why they disagree with this thing going on but are THEN determining to know that the people in the audience are giving way to anti Christ. Could it be that these people are actually pretty pure of heart but being either very funny/silly on purpose (to cover a cultural craze) or are simply even just being naive and ignorant?

    Listen – judgment begins in the house of God, leaders are to call out this & that, I get it. Lemme tell you — I’d never want any of you to ever correct me or help me to get balanced out in my spiritual life because I’d feel the spiritual venom. Ever. You’d make many assumptions. There would be a bite to your words. There would be condemnation rather than conviction (and people don’t convict, God does). There’d be a tearing down with words. Rebuke needs to occur. In fact, I feel as if I’m rebuking (and what place do I have to do this? I probably will use the same reasonings many of you do — my heart is grieved by what I’m seeing on here).

    And trust me … arrogance on here will blind some of you to not even consider my words, to chalk me off as someone unholy and unread and unpraying & never praising (all those things which are not accurate). Some may simply say I am deceived – and my fear is that this will happen w/out the prayer of, “Lord, examine my heart. Show me the approach”.

    How can you ever ever ever know the intent of these people doing the Harlem Shuffle when it’s not coming across as perverse? Is it good judgment? Probably not. But wow, the judgment on here is not good either.

    I’ll venture to say some of you enjoy the band Third Day? Started out in Christian music years ago — primarily do praise now — and guess what, at one of their concerts …. yep u got it … The Harlem Shuffle. Better stop listening to them.

    As for the “dance” … Listen, I have Jewish heritage but you’ll not see two steps or this or that coming from me — why? Could be that I’m an American in Boston? I don’t have the luxury of a Jewish holy dance move in my psyche or muscle memory.

  206. Mario says:

    The Lord warned us when he said:

    Luk 19:46 Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.

    Those dancing activities have not place in the House of God.

  207. D City,
    As in Mexico, our internet services are down then they come up then down again!
    I like to say something why I move to Mexico, as some comments that I ran away from USA!
    Examples: Rent a 4 bedroom house in dollars $ 600.00
    Electric Bill as I live in a hot area per month $ 150.00
    Water bill $ 8.00 dollars per month
    Drinking water $ 5.00 per month
    Gas per gallon $ 3.00
    I eat steak almost every night it cost $ 2.00 per pound
    Tomatoes per kilo cost 50 cents
    So you can see its alot cheaper here in Mazatlan, Mexico than living in the USA and I live 2 blocks from the beach, I would rather live in the USA, but from my pensions, that will never happen!
    I’m not boasting, just trying to keep my head above water as being middle class!

  208. Bill:
    When you feel insulted by someone, praised them, as your rewards are great in heaven!

    Then drop it!

    Your anger will eat you alive, take alot of tums!

    I personally know alot about anger and anxiety! I fought with the Veterans Affairs for 42 years before I was allowed my benefits.

    Basically its not worth it!

    • Bill says:

      I’m way past tums and have been for years now. It’s all about prescription medication with me……..lol

      This is not the world I grew up in, it’s changed and not for the better as some would argue. People everywhere are living in dispare and this includes those living on fixed incomes like the 2-old ladies last week in Subway who for the first time said they were becoming scared……scared……lol, These were a couple of gals who lived through the “Great Depression” and now are becoming “scared”. Really nothing to laugh about. I had to remind them that God is still in control and they still are living in the Greatest Nation on the Earth no matter how many have died in war in vain for political and monetary gain. Yes ladies, just keep looking up as the trumpets are already sounding all around the world. The area I live in is comprised by mostly retired. We had allot of folks in their 90′s here still driving. One old gal is 106 but she doesn’t drive Praise God! Sad that she still hasn’t accepted Christ. I have no point as now I’m just starting to babble. If there is a point it’s that one need not worry if they are in Christ. We’re living in the greatest time of all History just watching and waiting for the Pre-truibulation
      Rapture of the Church.
      You know……..people will always disappoint. Christians are all a work in progress. I’m not perfect only saved. In closing being insulted and being attacked are two different things requiring different responses. I’ll take my lead from Israel who has turned the other cheek to often however they always end up kicking ass:-)

      Have a blessed day.

  209. Sue Hart says:

    Should Christians also not have dinners — should they not have fund raisers – should they not use their basement area to have yard sales and bake sales – should kids not hold their Christian (albeit Rock or Contemporary) concerts there? Should there not be an auditorium at a church? I know many churches who have these very things. The Methodist church down the street has a mini gym (exercise room) down the hall from the sanctuary.

    My point being … ????? what else, then, doesn’t have place in the house of God, Mario? The whole “den of thieves” word puts that scripture in context, I think. It should be known as a House of Prayer — I agree ! but, does that also exclude other things here? I even know churches who have a couples dinner for Valentine’s Day – sure they talked about Godly love (I imagine).

  210. I found a way to upgraded my computer, with Skydrive, now I’m getting faster services.

    Does anyone has a wife that uses her Ipad, Iphone, Blackberry, and tablet at the same time?

  211. Mario says:

    All those things you mention, do they bring glory to God? Are we in the ways of the Lord or in the ways of the world?

    Is the Church a bank, a tradeport, a store or is the house of prayer? Is the Church the house of God? Dont God owns everything?

    Have we lost the respect towards God? Are we giving God the honor, glory, respect that He Deserves?

    I will advise reading the book of Ezekiel, here I post a link to a good Bible study

    http://www.preachtheword.com/sermon/ezek01.shtml

    God is Our Creator, King of the Universe, Lord of Lords do you really think that this kind of dance impresses Him?

    The Church suppose to change the world not the world change the Church.

  212. Bill says:

    A note to everyone. If you think it’s your computer running slow in here it’s not Sun Spot activity……. It’s all those stupid dance videos slowing everything down.

    • Teresa says:

      I just found out last night at my church the youth are having a Harlem Shake party. The words to the song”with the terrorist”
      alarm me. I have been searching the internet and most big churches are doing this. I see this as a slippery slope for the youth. I am praying for guidance with my husband.

  213. Lyn Leahz says:

    Have you seen the one with the black lady whose house burnt down…? The woman is famous now because they manipulated her voice to music on a news report! LOL

  214. Lyn Leahz says:

    Ooops! THAT WAS THE WRONG ONE! THEY’RE ALL AWFUL..IF YOU ASK ME. BUT HERE’S THE RIGHT ONE:

  215. Lyn Leahz says:

    Well, I just posted a really, really dumb video..but apparently, it is popular amongst the teenagers this day…the second one is the right one..the first one is the wrong one.

  216. Sue Hart says:

    Here’s the thing to your question … sometimes, just being able to chill, relax, hang out without being hyper spiritual brings glory to God. Does an exercise room bring glory to God? Perhaps so perhaps not. For those who cannot afford to go to a gym, it’s a blessing. Shoot even having a basketball court at the church is a way for kids to have something positive to do & to help idle hands have fun. My point is – there is no set rule of what Christ says — his point is, Prayer is what the church should be known for …. using the gospel/temple for personal gain … no.

    The point is this …. the context is “a den of thieves” …. that Christ was getting at. The house of prayer was turned into a den of thieves.

    I’ve said it before – I don’t like the majority of the Harlem Shake videos — but there is no way I’m going to blanket these kids and congregation and leaders as working with or being used by the anti Christ. I say, it’s a craze, fad, it’ll die down. In retrospect you’ll see how some of these churches continued to preach the gospel of Christ crucified, risen, sanctifying and returning. The churches that don’t, that present another gospel … well then we’ll talk.

  217. ROY says:

    Lyn Leahaz,

    These videos you are posing have NOTHING to do with salvation. They are Worldly. GOD is NO RESPECTOR of persons and that includes YOU! Take these farting videos and other garbage down and REPENT! I do not believe that you are Born Again or your testimony of yourself. IF the LORD saved you, You would FEAR him enough NOT to upload such garbage as “Funny”/humorous. Salvation is NOT “Funny” souls are perishing. These videos are Gutter. Carmen is sold out to TBN and is getting his reward now as you, apparently, seem to desire for yourself. Being approved of by men so that all are calling on your name and praising you! Take this garbage DOWN! It does NOT Glorify the LORD! I stumbled across this site and you seem to have taken over the comments with silliness, nonsense, and filth which are ALL Unedifying. You deceive yourself since you think that what you are posting is really edifying to The Body of CHRIST JESUS! It is NOT the body of Lyn Leahz! This comment section is out of control and out of order for the true members of the Body of Christ. What’s popular among the world is and Abomination unto the LORD.

  218. Mario says:

    Why are people who called themselves Christians trying to silence the voice of the brothers and sisters who are opposing to this evil manifestation, using the umbrella of “do not judge” they themselves are juding brothers and sisters who are called by God to be Watchmen on the wall, if we dont warn people about what they are doing wrong, we are disobeying God’s orders. I rather have few lukewarm/pretenders who usurpated the name of Christ to pretend they are holy men to try to silence the word of God and nothing else but puppets of their master the devil.

  219. Sue Hart says:

    once again …. Christ convicts us and draws us, he doesn’t condemn us. The law condemned us, a law that we could not and will never ever be able to fill. Christ did not come to condemn but to give us life. Christ is also love and so even in anger, guess what, that is motivated by love. Whenever we cast a judgment on others w’out a spirit of love then we are separating ourselves from God’s will. Thus I’ve said a couple times — it’s Fine to take issue with the Harlem Shake. It is NOT fine to judge the intent of these people’s heart esp’ when, as much as everyone wants to get legalistic about it, when the people doing the Harlem SHake are also going to Bible believe Churches that proclaim Christ crucified, resurrected, and sanctifying. When the doctrine gets off line then fine – we’ll discuss sound doctrine, we’ll discuss these people being wolves in sheep’s clothing and having the spirit of the anti Christ.

    Why in the world we aren’t taking a different approach than what is on this board (casting judgment and condemnation) is astounding to me. I’ve questioned things in the church, a lack of discernment or even for the music that is played. We all do such things. Yet, the tone and spirit of this board has been to berate the people at these churches and condemn their hearts as having the spirit of anti Christ.

    Is there immorality in these churches among the leaders? Then 1 go … and then 2 or 3 … Is the divinity of Christ not preached? Then call out for sound doctrine. Is sin running unchecked in these churches? None of us has a clue!!!! and yet it’s so easy to assume they are not seeking God or sound doctrine. We assume that it’s dimply not a wrong judgment call to do the Harlem Shake. No – instead, the bulk of comments are assuming things about these churches.

  220. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ALL, THAT ARE CONDEMNING THIS VIDEO AS “EVIL”?
    You state this is pure evil for them dancing this way, we are really becoming speration of this is bad and this is good! Only God knows what is truely bad or good!
    Have anyone visited a Christian Black Church in the south of the USA, there jumping up and down, shaking their butts, raisingtheir arms and lifting up their hands, you can hear the music 5 blocks away!
    Are you going to condemned this church, because you don’t understand what they are doing, because when I go to my church we are quite and we are listening to our minister give his sermon!
    So as Christians what we do not understand we condemn it?
    Call it evil, it’s Satanism!
    Its not our place to judge others, its God place to judge. Next we will be burning Bibles, because we say any Bible except KJV is evil, we need to destroy it, Burn, Burn it!

  221. Mario says:

    No one is criticizing a Black American Church for the way they worship, we are criticizing the worldliness that is permeating the Church where a video of a dance that was not created by Christians but by evil doers, check the original video and you will see that the creators are engaged in mimicking sexual acts, and now the church just put a Christian name in front of it and pretend everything is OK, no is NOT OK, if we keep permeating the Church with worldliness the Church will perish, we are called to transform the world not to let the world to transform us.

  222. No condemnation just facts. Straight out of the bible. :)

    1. Gyrating with legs spread thrusting hips forward acting like imbecile in no way pays reverence to God. (These are things of the earth).

    Colossians 3:2
    King James Version (KJV)

    2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

    2. Anyone going to church or that are enticed into a church doing this is not going to that Church for God, but for things of this world that please themselves. (attending churches with itching ears cause its what they want to do and hear) (again not setting affections on things above but of the earth).

    2 Timothy 4:3-4
    King James Version (KJV)

    3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
    4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

    3. Churches that are enticing people with this kind of behavior are only doing it because it helps fill the seats. They are telling and doing, and saying, and showing people what they want to hear, rather then Gods true world.

    Again 2 Timothy 4:3-4

    4. No mention of God or praise to God in this song or dance at all. Proving its of the flesh and not of God.

    2 Timothy 4:3-4
    Colossians 3:2
    We are to praise God, not entertain ourselves. Any and all verses in the bible are to be done with praise to God and are mentioned as so. Nothing in any of this is praising or showing reverence to God in any way. Its of the flesh and of the earth and not things above

    5. Praying, praising, paying reverence to the Lord with a covering (hat, helmet or anything that covers a mans head) on your head is dishonorable to God. (1 Corinthians 11:3 ……that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.)

    1 Corinthians 11:4
    King James Version (KJV)

    4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

    6. When you go to church you are to act and pray without foolishness, or filthyness, or jesting of any kind. But to give praise and thanks.

    Ephesians 5:4
    King James Version (KJV)

    4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

    I could go on and on about how none of this is of God. You as a true Christian or follower of Christ should get the point. Like it or not these are not my words but your Creators words. This is how you are to act and behave concerning the Lord your God.

    CORRECTION IS NOT JUDGMENT
    Correction is not judgment, as the Bible says that we should correct, rebuke and be bold to those who are sinning.

    James 5:20
    King James Version (KJV)

    20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

    The judgments the bible is referring to is to say who will go to heaven or hell. This next verses explains it best.

    Romans 10:6-7
    King James Version (KJV)

    6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
    7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)—————This is along the lines of calling people satan and saying they will be condemned by God or go to hell.

    We are to rebuke and openly in efforts to turn sinners from their ways. No judgment just rebuking with bible.

    1 Timothy 5:20
    King James Version (KJV)

    20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

    Luke 17:3
    King James Version (KJV)

    3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

    2 Timothy 4:2
    King James Version (KJV)

    2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine

    Titus 1:13
    King James Version (KJV)

    13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

    Titus 2:15
    King James Version (KJV)

    15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

    Proverbs 27:5
    King James Version (KJV)

    5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.

    WE ARE TO REBUKE OPENLY AS THE BIBLE SAYS. WITH INTENTIONS OF TURNING PEOPLE FROM THEIR WAYS AND TOWARDS GOD. WHICH IS WHAT IS BEING DONE HERE.

    In fact if we do not rebuke or warn we can be held accountable.

    Ezekiel 33:8
    King James Version (KJV)
    8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

    Ezekiel 33:6
    King James Version (KJV)
    6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand.

    Maybe now you understand the difference between openly rebuking and judging and exactly what is going on in that church and with that dance.

    May God Bless & Enrich You Always With Wisdom & Understanding

  223. Mario says:

    Amen, 100% agree

    Our Lord has set us up as watchmen and this is what the Lord our God says

    Eze 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take [any] person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand.

  224. Mario says:

    At Sue Hart, Church is not about fad, Church is about God, to bring the Gospel to those who are still in darkness by offering them something new and different, by using the same weapons of the world you are not offering them (the lost) anything new, how are we peculiar like the Bible said if you cannot differentiate between them and us. We are call to be separated from all evil, light and darkness dont mix. We are called to be the light of the house , no the darkness of the basement. Stop justifying what cannot stand before the presence of God Almighty.

    • Teresa says:

      Why is not the mantra being discussed more-”WITH THE TERRORIST?” We have a war on terror going on now with our military and homeland security-against them. Our youth are saying they are with them.

      • Very true Teresa as that is the meaning of the words. However some people do not know the meaning of the words. So I did not include that for that reason. If everyone knew the meaning of the words it would not be an excuse. However since everyone does not necessarily know the meaning of the words then in those cases they may have an excuse. But with what I posted above not including the meaning of those words “THERE IS NO EXCUSE”.

        But very true. The meaning of the words is “with terrorists”. Some versions of the song are being played now with just music and not words as if it is ok. Again with what I posted. With or without the words there is no excuse. But I agree Teresa and yes that is what the words mean. Thank you.

  225. Sue Hart says:

    Ugh – is any one disagreeing with me actually reading what I am saying? First, i have no problem discussing the appropriateness of the Harlem Shake. My main issue is that people are going beyond that to suddenly accusing & assuming that the people at these churches are demonically influenced or anti Christ. I have said several times, have you taken time to look at their doctrine? Go ahead – discuss whether or not it is appropriate – I have no problem with that. However, I have a huge problem with the attitude of knowing these people are anti Christ.

    As for the whole fad thing ….. listen, put your feet on the earth for some time and realize people are playing, fun, silly and what have you not. For many people doing this, whether you feel it’s in good taste or not, they are just having fun with something that is a craze at the moment. Just like with the Gangnam thing. Furthermore, for those assuming that this is an actual moment of Praise – for the most part, the videos I have seen … no way!!! It’s not a praise service! It’s a planned/staged event to be silly.

    On a side note — I remember years ago people talking about the “beat” of music – and syncopation – saying that was the devil’s beat and music. Guess what? It wasn’t Biblical. I’ve even heard that certain beats affect the heart rate and that is demonic.

    Further more – guess what — everything we do does not have to be overtly spiritual. Being silly – guess what — singing silly songs, parodying a song, what have you not — is funny and not necessarily spiritual. My concern is many people on here seem to believe that you have to have a strict format in the church … but I think, Wow, how many times have I seen Harvest Parties in the gymnasium of a church? How many times when the teens had lock ins? There were games, by gosh! Video games. Pizza. It was being silly and wasn’t overtly spiritual.

    Now – back to The Harlem Shake. I don’t like t – I’ve said that. But by gosh, for me to take liberties and rebuke people who view it as a time to be sily and as a social craze and then to judge those people?? that’s pretty scary for me – and, it’s rather self righteous.

    Also – do you know I’ve heard churches play Mozart or Bach or Beethoven and such at a church service? That wasn’t overtly spiritual.

    So once again … let me say for those who seem to be having issue with me … what again is my concern? It’s that you have taken extreme liberties to judge people’s hearts. You have taken liberty to openly say or to allude to the fact that these people are anti Christ. Furthermore — what concerns me, as well – this whole thing about not taking the “World” things, and the whole mask and demonic implication …. is it possible that when Paul talked about people’s conscious and certain meat and so on … this applies? For some people doing this Harlem Shake — they don’t see it or associate it as anything demonic and by gosh, don’t you think God knows that? Don’t you think for one moment that God sees if they are viewing it as a funny social craze and nothing more? I’m sure God also realizes the people who accept this as “with the terrorists” or a mask for demonic purposes. God knows. We don’t. It’s nuts, though, that so many of you refuse to, or are incapable of, realizing that for many of these Christians it is just a time of fun (not a praise service but something staged and silly).

  226. I am saying that whether they are doing it as demonic or not. It in no way is worshiping God as I clearly pointed out.

    The bible is clear if your not moving towards God your moving away from God.

    If your not for God your against God. It is very specific on this. Here is an example.

    Matthew 12:30
    King James Version (KJV)

    30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

    All we are doing is warning them and others like the watchman are instructed. :)

  227. Sue Hart says:

    If you’re not moving towards God, you’re moving away? how in the world can you presume to know whether these folks are not moving towards Christ? How do you know whether they pray, praise, worship? You have no clue. Furthermore, this is NOT praising God – most sites I’ve read, this is NOT a worship service.

    and frankly – not everything we do moves us towards God, not in the overt sense. Meaning, I go to a classical concert rather than a Christian concert — that is not an obvious move toward God but it in no way means I’m moving away. I skip a church service to attend a once in a life time chance to catch a world series game — that is not moving away from Christ. Why be so presumptuous to assume things about the things people choose that aren’t engaging in sinful behaviors internally or externally (and as I said, for many, it’s likely just a poor judgment call rather than the spirit of anti Christ).

    See – God has given us liberties and freedoms (not to sin) but to enjoy his goodness and the fullness of this world. Whether I’m at a symphony or a ball game or church or McDonalds – these moments of rest, at least for me, are sweet reminders that God created us to enjoy this world and to enjoy him (prior to the fall).

    I say it again – don’t make presumptions! A person’s life will reveal their walk with Christ. The church’s doctrines and growth will reveal their soundness. When the newscasters (look that up on you tube) were joking and doing the Harlem Shake … what was that? Just being silly.

    You are not warning people – you are assuming how they are viewing something that is not clearly stated in the bible. You have no idea of their heart, their life. You see a 30 minute video that is not even a moment of praise but a moment of goofiness and are running with it.

    You say it is demonic –once again I bring up the apostle Paul to you when weighing food offered to idols — and the conscious. To some, they could eat, realizing that it’s not that which enters a man but that which exits a man. It’s about the conscious and heart to God and what one person sees as an idol another sees as just a silly moment to do a dance skit. Poor taste? Yes. demonic? Not necessarily. So – denounce the Harlem Shake as poor taste. Don’t presume that the church members in bible believe, Christ accepting churches even have the mindset that it is demonic. They likely have no clue. You can go off on a tangent as to how, then, they are unwillingly participating in evil & therefore giving way to anti Christ– perhaps then, when the Bible says we’ll take up serpents, drink poison … perhaps it’s things like this that we unwittingly are clueless about. To one man’s conscious this is evil, to another, it is a silly dance. So, don’t presume. Once again, don’t presume that bible believing Churches are giving way to the anti Christ. HSM in California did a 30 second video on this, as well. View the other videos, the testimony, the proclamation of Christ! the videos of their true true praise and worship services. Then you perhaps will realize that many of these people are good Christians seeking Christ’s way. If they have erred it isn’t because they are giving way to anti Christ. It’s because they were being silly and not observing protocol.

  228. L:
    Can everyone weigh in on this statement:
    Dogs do not have souls!
    In the Bible, the word for spirit is the same as breathe. But there is ultimately a differeance between the life of humans and the life in animals.
    Gen. 2:7 God breathes into nostrils of man and gives him life, but all land animals has the same breath as well. And they went in unto Noah, into the ark, 2 and 2 of all flesh. In Hebrew “ru’ach” is both life, spirit and soul. In Hebrew life and the spirit is the same. The word soul is described as physical form of life that both men and animals possess.
    The meaning “nephesh” is breath in Gen. 1:20, 24, 30 and Gen. 2:7 all fit together in understanding Moses as saying that all animals and man are living beings. In Psalms 78:50 useage of soul as life.

    Do animals have souls?
    Yes, when the word soul used in ” nephesh” only means breath, as in Gen. 1:20 Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures.
    When useage of the words ” nephesh hayyah,” literally means ” living souls.”

    • Pastor animals do not have souls. Therefore I do not believe they will be in heaven or go to heaven. That can be proven in the bible in many ways.

      HOWEVER We know that God is the creator of all things. We know heaven will be complete and utter happiness. We also know that nothing is impossible in, through or with God. Here is what I believe.

      “God, in his great love and wisdom has created heaven to be a place of perfect happiness. I am sure that if you need your little dog to complete your happiness, you will find your little dog there.” :) God Bless Pastor

  229. D City:
    Why so many people makes statements that they believe they came out of scriptures?
    Then they believe we will just assume its true!

  230. Sue Hart says:

    D City – once again … I say, where have you read/heard (and not rumor or assumption) that this is a worship service? Goodness. How often must this be stated by me, others, and churches? Yet, once again the whole thing about this being melded together with a praise & worship service – once again … an assumption. I actually took the time, for some of these church videos, to read about it, some of the churches … and learned it was just a silly thing – not a praise service.

    Secondly, I have no idea why you threw out the woman thing — there’s a fallacy for this in philosophy when you take the argument at hand and throw in something that has little to do with the argument at hand.

  231. Sue Hart says:

    D City — I have investigated these things. I’ve read about a few of these churches (and the ones I have read are spiritually sound). I’ve actually taken time, when I saw people jumping on a group of kids on social media to look at the ministry these kids were involved in. I watched videos of their testimonies, their preaching, the work they do with orphans (HSM). It was then I realized how people were so quick to jump on a band wagon of pointing fingers, hyperbolic spiritualism, and had taken little time to know what these people really believed.

    Wait, give it time, when one comes against you or yours or your church and makes an assumption. You’ll have to sit back and feel the grief knowing the heart of these people. It’ll likely happen. It happens to the best of it. Give it time. Then, remember the dogmatic chatter and the loving the letter of the law over the spirit of the law.
    And when it happens, feel it all deeply. Then and only then, will you understand.

  232. People have come against me every where I go in this life. They always have and they always will. :) Jesus himself said this would happen. It would not surprise me in the least. But thank you for telling me that. :) What they are doing is not of God no matter how much evil love people pour on it. But some people grow in wisdom and understanding with time. Some just grow in time. God Bless.

  233. Diane says:

    What is “hyperbolic spiritualism”?

  234. Sue Hart says:

    Hyperbole … hyperbolic as in exagerated spiritualism. I mean this entire article is taking the Harlem Shake and equating the church people who are being playful with it as being associated with the anti Christ. It’s so exagerated it’s nuts.

    Okay folks – check out this Sea World video of the Harlem Shake and maybe you’ll understand why people are making such a joke/silly thing out of it. I mean even Jeff Gordon (if you are into racing, which I’m not) even is doing it. They even have Church Office Harlem Shake. Some of it’s just hysterical because people are utterly creative and funny. I’m always astounded at the playful nature of people and their creativity and humor.

    Sure, there are some of the videos that are freaking awkward and make me cringe and turn in disgust. But, you’ll have that with anything.

    • Diane says:

      I think I understand the point you want to make of not judging folks around us till we really know what motivates them, but something makes me uncomfortable in your posts. It seems to me that you totally dismiss the spiritual side of (all) things and you throw your weight a little bit too much on the humanistic side, defending “kids who’re just having fun” and over-emphasizing the intent of the heart. [here a footnote on what the Bible says of the human heart ^^].

      How we perceive comments is also quite subjective and I didn’t feel like the comments here were over the top or hysterical. Rather, I think that this ‘fad’ being practiced by congregations (be it as fun interludes and outside service) deserves us christians to stand against… it. Not against the people who do it. And it does deserve warning of every sort according to me. Considering the examples you gave, it seems like your personal experience of judging made you very reactive on the subject, I can’t relate to that but I can get it.

      Okay, we don’t spend our life 100% on our knees or arms raised in praise and worship. A symphonic concert, McDonalds, basket-ball game, etc. won’t compromise spiritual life on the whole and life is also about enjoying it as the gift of God it really is. However, you set out arguments in favor of a lifestyle that would include dubious things like the Harlem shake – as being part of a normal christian life (as I perceive your comments) -, which I definitely don’t think it is. I think we should seek sanctification, strive for it and exhort one another to it.

      Those very words might be offensive to you because they might recall a certain type of vicious Pharisee you’ve met too often, I don’t know. But I really mean them for myself and not against my neighbor or as a protective fake identity that’d give me a platform to abuse others. That path (sanctification) also leads to loving thy neighbor, it’s not cutting yourself off in an ivory tower. Otherwise Paul wouldn’t have insisted on it (Corinth., Thess.), and not only him. He’s the same guy who preached on love so I guess love and sanctification are somehow related.

      I want to add that even when a teenager and before coming to Christ I’ve always felt uneasy in rock concerts or parties. There is often a sort of party in my heart thanks to Jesus, I never felt I grudged myself pleasures in life because of “hyper spiritualism”… Quite the opposite, I’d feel like I’m losing my time when I can’t talk about the Lord with my friends, I get bored.

      Have you ever been confronted to a demonized person? Since you shared some of the reasons for your position, I’ll also tell why I think this shouldn’t be dismissed as innocent goofing, apart from the litigation on the circumstances of the video posted by NTEB. We’re talking about christians doing that right? And we’re on a christian blog so it shouldn’t be a problem talking about demons, unless you think they don’t exist and I’m being hyperbolic. Well, just want to say that it’s a very painful thing to see a loved one losing their mind because of demon possession. You see them suffer (and they’re fully aware of their suffering) and you can’t do anything because you can’t practice deliverance on someone against their will. Not mentioning when the person opened the door herself to her tormenters. This you have to experience to understand.

      Now, it’s not the Harlem shake that did it but it’s definitely things that most would label as leisure activity, nurtured by life circumstances and a rebellious heart. So, YEAH, little innocent evil CAN go a long way towards destruction like D City said. I’ve seen that more than once, hence the warning, not the finger-pointing. I’d rather be on the safe side and that’s not automatically a bandwaggon of pointing fingers.

      I like what you said about giving people out of balance a nudge in the right direction, well, I think this article and some comments are doing it. Since this is a mass phenomenon…some sort of widespread message has to be issued against the craze. We can’t just sit back and wait until we know the hearts of all the people partaking in harlem shakes, we need to say something about it so that others would reflect upon it and get ready when they see it come. (Harlem shake=having ‘fun’ collectively on demand? With optional masked “master of ceremony”? The MC is demonic, I’m not withdrawing that),

  235. Exactly, where in the bible does the Lord mention hyperbolic spiritualism. How far are we going to twist things now. JEFF GORDON DOES IT. O my I think I will go out and paint my car like his now. lol Thats part of the problem in America now. We are contributing to these wizards who are wrongly influencing the youth. This goes to show you how just a little innocent evil can go a long way towards destruction. The question is where in the bible does it say if Jeff Gordon does it or any famous person or celebrity or person of power does it that its ok and innocent. Where in the bible does it talk of hyperbolic spiritualism. I suppose you think walt disney is innocent as well. Or no how about HARRY POTTER THAT teaches children, magic and witch craft. Thats ok while removing God from school though. Not only making Harry Potter required reading but putting evolution in all the school books. All innocent fun stuff right? WRONG! All work of the devil. Bottom line.

  236. See thats how it starts. It starts innocent. Then after a decade or two before you know it. Siblings are sleeping with one another. Johnny doesn’t know what gender he is regardless of the tools God gave him that prove his gender. Then they all start voting for some tool box that pretends to be married, frequented Chicago gender confusion bars before being elected. Has no idea what nationality he is and can’t find his birth certificate but is hell bent on making sure we are all healthy regardless of the cost.

  237. Sue Hart says:

    ah – the famous slippery slope tactic! The Harlem Shake is causing these people to compromise, because u know, we know they are following the spirit of Anti Christ. Anyway – I’m done. This is truly going in circles. You are adamant about what you are saying – I am adamant about being careful to label these people as having the spirit of anti Christ. Scriptures have been used galore – some totally out of context, some insightfully used. It’s pretty much reached a butting of heads. But … in parting — one of the funniest Harlem Shake Videos I have seen is the Peanuts Harlem Shakes (as in Charlie Brown, Snoopy). Once again – I can see people sitting around with friends, being goofy, it gets late into the night and someone says, “HEyy remember that Charlie Brown clip we saw, that’d be great for a Harlem Shake Spoof!” And lastly … for me, having a heart for university students – it’s sad to see many of their HS videos, pretty sexually explicit and a group mentality at that.

  238. Sue Hart says:

    dang it, D City – I was going to finish. First, I’m pretty sure that hyperbole wasn’t ever used in the Bible. I’m not sure when that word came around. I think I pretty much described what I viewed was going on — equating this nutty dance with people giving in to the anti Christ – or, exaggerating what these people are doing & giving it spiritual significance. That is my opinion. SOoo I’l leave you with a story that happened when I was at youth camp — true story — over 20 years ago. My frriend, a really cool Christian young man and part of the praise and worship team at his church – he had such an awesome meek spirit and an anointing when he sang. One day, he was showering at youth camp and singing the Nike Commercial and said, “I wanna be like Mike” … as in, Mike Jordan. Well, a youth pastor from one of the churches jumped on him and said, “You should not want to be like Mike, you should only want to be like Jesus!” Well. It got worse. At the youth service that night, this same youth pastor was asked to minister for a bit — and he spoke to the group of young and old alike about how this young man (he didn’t use my friend’s name, fortunately) was saying he wanted to be like Mike and then went into his sermon about being like Jesus. Amazing. It was as if every moment of our lives we had to be so on guard for people assuming things, for making every single thing having to be a spiritual moment. My friend just liked basketball and the commerical diddy was in his head. Then, another story. Some of the youth at this camp were getting too cozy with the opposite sex (trust me, happens more than you know). They were openly rebuked in service — the minister then went on to say, “Some of you need to be ashamed! Some of you are even looking at those magazines that you should not be looking at… ” and on and on. What happened? Those young kids were corrected and shamed — that’s right, shamed. They were made to feel so ashamed of themselves rather than realizing that it’s a human struggle all face and that strength and holliness is found in Christ. Unfortunately, this is the same attitude that I’ve read on this board. Very dogmatic. Very quick to assume rather than ask, “Okay, are these people just getting out of balance and need a nudge in the right direction” …

    We love people into the Kingdom of God! We ask God to show us their hearts. We move slowly in judging. Even King David, who was a murderer, an adulterer, had a heart that was perfect toward God. Amazing, isn’t that? Be slow to judge, quick to ask God to show you hearts. If you dont know someone’s heart … just wait! If the doctrine the church is espousing is obviously biblically unsound … then preach the sound doctrine.

    And D City, I’m sorry you have experienced asusmptions about you. I, too, have experienced more than my share. It’s given me a heart for people more than anything.

    Take care.

  239. I understand and certain pastors and preachers should not be allowed to preach to adults never mind kids. There is a tact to be used with kids and must be handled delicately as the wrong instruction or rebuking can cause life time negative results. That is definitely true. But one thing that can not be changed is Gods word. It is clear. Yes God is all love and the most loving being any of us could ever imagine. But about 10% of the bible is Gods love. The rest is about what happens if you cross this all loving being. Which is why the question comes up have any of you lovers read the bible? Anyways I will leave it there as well. God Bless.

    • Jamie says:

      False. God’s love is mentioned more than 9000 times. That’s A LOT of love.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Some act like God can’t hate. But I see He hated Esau. I believe He hated Cain ,also. That said, not to condemn anyone, for God would that all come to repentance, and through His great love and mercy, they might be saved. But I fear God, for I know what He can do to me, if I rebel against Him, just as I feared my father as a young child. Yes, He is a God of love and mercy, but at the same time a God of wrath and destruction . He is the God of everything and greatly to be feared. Such things should not be happening in His sanctuaries. This harlem shake is not any glory to Him. It only dishonors Him in his sanctuary. The sanctuary is His place. Should we desecrate His place of worship, with cult masks, that are demonic by nature and black robes, that symbolizes witchcraft? These pastors should be more tuned in to what the occult is up to, to protect our children, instead of inviting it into the churches, provoking God to jealousy. Some of you call it goofing off, but I don’t believe God is laughing.

  240. Darrin Winn says:

    Matthew 16:28: Jesus is recorded as saying: “…there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

    Mark 13:30-33: Jesus is recorded as saying: “….This generation shall not pass away, until all these things be accomplished….But of that day or that hour knoweth no one, not even the angels in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.” A “generation” normally refers to a forty year interval. If Jesus spoke those words circa 29 CE, then all of the events predicted in Mark 13:24-27 would have happened on or before 69 CE, the approximate date that Mark — the first gospel — was written: the sun and moon would have been darkened, the stars would have fallen from heaven, the Son of Man would have arrived in the clouds with great power and glory, and the angels would have collected “his elect” from around the Earth and taken them to Heaven.

    How many times can wolf be cried?

    • Mike says:

      To Dar-win
      Math 16:28 Refers to the transfiguration in Mark 9:1-8,
      where John,Peter and James witnessed Jesus in his glory,in that generation.
      Mark 13:24-27 and Mark 13:30-33, refers to the generation that will go through the tribulation.
      So these are two generations thousands of years apart.
      So how many times can wolf be cried ?
      Until you study the word of God,you tell me ?

  241. Hildi says:

    The Harlem shakers in these American churches think they are having fun when proclaiming to be with the terrorists, while Christians gathering in churches in other parts of the world risk being killed by terrorists entering their church gatherings…….

    • Teresa says:

      Hildi, you are SO right. There is a Christan man in Libya being tortured NOW for having Bibles. We need to pray for our brothers and sisters in bondage. God watch over this man and send your holy angels to minister to him. The possible story of beheading of two Coptic Christians in New Jersey. We can not glorify the terrorist.

  242. mario says:

    A D Winn

    Amazes me your lack of Bible understanding and the lack of knowledge of the Word of God. Generation Christ was referring was to the reborn nation of Israel, a generation last between 60-70 years, do you really want me to continue? Israel was reborn 1948, still the generation is not fulfilled.

  243. D City:
    Thank you for your kind words about my dog-Leo!
    Since I & my wife will not be married in heaven, if she gets there!
    I would rather have my dog there than be with my wife!
    It might seem I had a bad marriage, but I do love my wife, but my affection goes to my dog, as he has given me 10 years of pure happiness! Again thank you for your king words! Do you have any pets?

    • Your welcome pastor. I really do hope your dog is there with you as well as my pets. Yes I have a beagle and she is the best. Her name is bella. Before that was another beagle named brandy. I have a feeling that when we get to heaven none of our losses here on this earth will be felt and we will be so happy that second thoughts aren’t even given to these things that seem like a big deal here on this earth. I know one thing is for sure pastor. Even though animals do not have souls like humans they were also created by God. All of creation is made up of energy and energy does not die. It transfers from one place to another. So who knows. Only God knows the plans for after this life. We just have to trust him and wait and see. :)

  244. John says:

    Legalism blinds you. And it has made you cold. You forget the Power of God in this place. We gather in His name, and He is there. The Devil is weak and fearful in comparison. Don’t let your legalism hinder you with articles like this.

  245. Danny Smith says:

    Ok. I can understand the end are creepin’ up on us, but it’s still a ways away. The Bible says that the whole world has to be given the chance to hear the gospel, and only about half of the world has so far. The AntiChrist isn’t even around yet. And if you say he is, well then show me someone proclaiming to be God, who has never broken a bone in his life, and is going around performing miracles such as Jesus did. There’s a lot of prophecy not fulfilled yet, including ones I haven’t even stated. Now as far as saying that Christians are doing demonic dancing, let me remind you of 1 Samuel 16:7. “For man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.” I’m pretty sure their hearts were not set on doing a dance that glorifies Satan. They were just college kids making a goofy video for fun. And here’s another reminder for all of you from Matthew 7:1-2, “1. Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” I am not dogging you and trying to bring you down or anything, just think about it a little more before you make a judgment call on people, especially if you claim to be a Christ follower.

  246. really? says:

    Are you serious? this has nothing to do with god. its just all in fun why do you hav to turn it into something to make people feel like theyre involve with the devil? hahahaha wow. it is just a fun and enjoyable thing to do .
    lossen up

  247. This website is everything wrong with American Christianity.

    Get off the internet and go do something constructive for God’s Kingdom. We do not know when the end is, and Obama is not the anti-Christ. Stop wasting your time and dragging the name of Jesus in the mud.

    Turn off Fox News and Go make disciples.

    But get discipled first, because it is evident that you have zero critical thinking skills.

  248. Jon says:

    The problem I have with this “article” is that this has nothing to do with the Bible or Satan. How does jumping, fist pumping have to, wearing crazing clothing, (in these videos) have to do with the devil? Hmmm… that sound like a dance party which many of the readers have been to (unless you are a poor naive sheltered fool). I’m a freshman in high school and this type of crap make people want to not go to Christ, every one is screwed up sinner, that includes YOU AND ME. I say this article is pointless, besides showing everyone a cool Harlem Shake vid. I’m (not) sorry, but if this site is like this article (and it is), then this whole this is a worthless piece of crap and I’m very sorry you have had to read this crap, you might as well try to join the Illumini.

    Thank you and don’t join the Illumini, they are as useful as this article.

  249. place of worship or not, this kind of music should not be tolerated, strictly speaking, especially if it involves gyrating your crouch like you are primed for sexual immorality. banging your head like you’re demon possessed… did anyone see Jesus Christ do that? this is not a way to have fun… are you serious??? lossen up? you need to tighten your bolts, coz the storm is coming you FOOL!

    this is nothing compared to the coming delusion & abomination… it is all happening before us, it’s happening everyday, and it WOULD only get worst, and
    even Christians no longer see the difference.

    Lord, please come quickly, your children are getting astray.

  250. dan says:

    You all are idiots

  251. Amanda s says:

    I personally attend Celebration Church of Jacksonville, Florida & NEVER has this EVER happened In our church. I, personally, am outraged at this slanderous idiocy. it takes some special kind of enemy to post this ignorance about something you know NOTHING about my church home,probably as well as most of these other spiritual places of worship. word of advice, DON’T talk about what you don’t understand or know anything about. our church’s mission statement is leading people to experience a God-first life. we do this only by the word of God, and living by His word so that His light will shine through us to the broken, the hurting, the lost… NEVER chanting about terrorism, never wearing a mask of any kind. Being a born-again Christian, attending one off the churches (God’s house, might I add,) that you’ve been so slanderous about, I personally, am not without sin, so I CANNOT cast the first stone, but being human, Ican. that’s MY son to confess to Jesus and ask forgiveness. So in that case, HOW DARE YOU? THIS is your burden in which you will have to answer.May God have mercy on you.

  252. Jamie says:

    This site is evil. It is unbiblical and baseless, and this article in particular is ludicrous and ignorant. You people are doing everything God HIMSELF says NOT to do. May he give you a good smack upside the head for your stupidity.

  253. Jamie says:


    John:

    Legalism blinds you. And it has made you cold. You forget the Power of God in this place. We gather in His name, and He is there. The Devil is weak and fearful in comparison. Don’t let your legalism hinder you with articles like this.

    THANK YOU! Somebody who gets it!! ;)

  254. Dec says:

    Laodicea, prepare to be vomited from the body of Christ at the time of the Rapture. You make the Lord Jesus Christ feel sick in His stomach.

  255. Phill says:

    Wow. You make Christians look judgmental and stupid. So first stop judging, second people don’t think about what the meaning is they are just having fun, there is nothing wrong with dancing, stop making Christianity look like rules. It’s about love. Oh, and don’t say that the end is near; only the Father knows.

    • @Phill (whoever you are, impostor!)
      “don’t say that the end is near?” cannot you discern what is happening all around you? you desentized numb FOOL!

      “they are just having fun?” is that your idea of having fun? did you see Moses, or any people of faith do that ‘sexual’ gyrating and do head banging like wild stupid possessed beings? is this how you honor the temple of Christ?

      anyone here is not a rightful judge, we are correcting things coz we know that is right, and what is wrong.

      do you ‘STILL’ know the difference, Mr.Phill? (whoever you are, impostor!)

      • Jamie says:

        Okay first of all buddy (and, like, EVERYONE ELSE on this stupid site), learn to spell. For real, it’s making me crazy. Secondly, calling someone an impostor and a desensitized fool is not going to get you anywhere. You just sound like an idiot who thinks he actually knows something.
        And lastly, there’s nothing sexual about the Harlem Shake! For goodness sake, the actual Harlem Shake is something COMPLETELY different! It’s actually a dance created by the people of Harlem. The dances you see in viral HS videos are just random- there’s no system to it, everybody’s just doing their own thing.
        So please, before you embarrass yourself in front of all these nice people, do your research :p

        • i am so sorry for calling you impostor or a fool, i am the one rightfully to be called as such. i am also deeply hurt inside.

          please forgive me before we are raptured.

          humble me. slap me in the face and spit on me. i deserve it all.

          • Jamie says:

            Well, thank you for your apology :p But seriously, you can’t just walk around randomly calling people impostors. By impostor I think you mean someone who is pretending to be a Christian but isn’t?

            But um…no thanks :P Why on earth would I spit on you and slap you?? It sounds like you’re just trying to be some righteous martyr, which I’m sorry, but you’re not. You’re a pompous bigot who wouldn’t be able to discern the will of God even if it walked up and smacked you in the face!

      • Jamie says:

        Also, I take offense to this because Frodo Baggins (the guy you named yourself as) is actually a pretty cool dude and you’re bringing shame to all hobbits!
        And that brings up the point….do you read the Lord of the Rings? Because, there’s a lot of fantasy and magic and subject matter in those books that people like you would find totally “demonic”. And you’re sitting here complaining about a dance song?? Get your head out of the sand, bro.

  256. baras says:

    There can’t be a falling away in churches that didn’t have the spirit of God in the first place.

    This is of course ignoring that there would only be one true church that the falling away would happen in, not across all the protestant churches, none of which – including catholic and baptist churches – have ever been considered God’s true church.

    Go ahead with your “all we need to do to be ‘saved’ is profess belief.” The reason all this is happening is false teachings and false doctrine in false churches that don’t require you to prove to yourselves your beliefs.

    Naturally this is probably going to fall on deaf ears since I’m talking to people who believe in the unbiblical rapture.

  257. Zack says:

    For everyone who has taken a stance on this topic…let’s remember that there are two incredible sides to the Gospel that we believe in; grace and truth.

    For those who are condemning the churches that are producing Harlem Shake videos: there is grace in the kingdom of God.

    For those who are saying that there is nothing wrong with it: there is truth in the kingdom of God.

    Having said that, each side needs to remember the other. Without truth, we would never see our sins. Without grace, we would never have a relationship with God.

    Please, let’s get back to the heart of what truly matters and let our lives and actions overflow out of that.

    I believe that someone can Harlem Shake to the glory of God, while at the same time, I think that it can also be sinful. The motives or heart behind our actions determines whether it is sin or not and none of us can be the judge of the hearts of those in the videos.

    That’s all I have to say.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      The intent of the heart will be manifested in ones actions. You can not be spiritually sound with worldly customs. They will not mix. If this was done for fun it should not of been done in God’s sanctuary. If this was done in worship it should not be done with occult masks and costumes. To dance is not the sin. To dress in costumes and dance before God is. Play games with the devil and you’ll get hurt. Play games with God and you get His wrath. He may over look this, who knows. But you won’t see me doing it. I will fear Him and honor His house.

  258. Its about love. Yes 10% of the bible is about love you are correct. The other 90% of the bible is about what you are loving and what happens if you are loving the wrong things. To be specific “things of this world”. A few examples:

    Colossians 3:2
    King James Version (KJV)

    2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

    John 12:25
    King James Version (KJV)

    25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

    I am not attacking churches. I am rebuking this kind of dance and activity that has no bearing in any church worship environment. I did not write the article. I am merely pointing out that nothing about this dance with masks or helmets is any way paying reverence, respect, or giving thanks to God. The bible is clear on that. Just warning people as the bible says we should about this kind of behavior. Nothing more.

    Pertaining to worship.

    1 Corinthians 11:4
    King James Version (KJV)

    4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

    Ephesians 5:4
    King James Version (KJV)

    4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

    May God Bless and Enrich You With Wisdom & Understanding Always.

    • Jamie says:

      Um…do you even read the bible????

    • Jamie says:

      Most of these verses you’re quoting have NOTHING to do with this subject. Like at all! You are a false prophet, and you dishonor the Word of God.

      • You wouldn’t know the first thing about a true prophet of God.

        If you want to know or recognize what a true prophet of God will be like and how to closer discern one when and if we see one. That is easy to figure out:

        The prophet is God’s detective seeking for a lost treasure. The degree of his effectiveness is determined by his measure of unpopularity. Compromise is not known to him.

        He has no price tags.
        He is totally ‘otherworldly.’
        He is unquestionably controversial and unpardonably hostile.
        He marches to another drummer!
        He breathes the rarefied air of inspiration.
        He is a “seer” who comes to lead the blind.
        He lives in the heights of God and comes into the valley with a “thus saith the Lord.”
        He shares some of the foreknowledge of God and so is aware of impending judgment.
        He lives in ‘splendid isolation.’
        He is forthright and outright, but he claims no birthright.
        His message is “repent, be reconciled to God or else…!”
        His prophecies are parried.
        His truth brings torment, but his voice is never void.
        He is the villain of today and the hero of tomorrow.
        He is excommunicated while alive and exalted when dead!
        He is dishonored with epithets when breathing and honored with epitaphs when dead.
        He is a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, but few ‘make the grade’ in his class.
        He is friendless while living and famous when dead.
        He is against the establishment in ministry; then he is established as a saint by posterity.
        He eats daily the bread of affliction while he ministers, but he feeds the Bread of Life to those who listen.
        He walks before men for days but has walked before God for years.
        He is a scourge to the nation before he is scourged by the nation.
        He announces, pronounces, and denounces!
        He has a heart like a volcano and his words are as fire.
        He talks to men about God.
        He carries the lamp of truth amongst heretics while he is lampooned by men.
        He faces God before he faces men, but he is self-effacing.
        He hides with God in the secret place, but he has nothing to hide in the marketplace.
        He is naturally sensitive but supernaturally spiritual.
        He has passion, purpose and pugnacity.
        He is ordained of God but disdained by men.

        HE WILL BE EXTREMELY UNPOPULAR AMONG PEOPLE IN OTHER WORDS. Cause he will tell it like it is and people are sinful loathsome beings and a prophet lets them know.

        I am on the right track if I am disliked that much.

        • Jamie says:

          Well that’s just the most enlightening thing I’ve ever read :p

          Dude, half this crap isn’t even in the bible! Where do you GET these ideas???

          It’s true that the bible tells us that we will be hated by evil men. But that doesn’t mean the ENTIRE world will.
          It’s not some contest to see who can be disliked the most, that’s just idiotic!
          You can’t go around acting like you’re some loathsome slime! It’s totally untrue that you’re supposed to go around like some kind of sick masochist, hating yourself and everyone else!
          We are representatives of God’s LOVE. We are LOVED UNCONDITIONALLY by Him, even though we have sinned and fallen short of his glory. That doesn’t mean we have to go around hating ourselves, in fact it is a sin to do that!
          LOVE, man. LOVE. Just keep that word in mind.

  259. i guess this site is making me hate people, and have little or no tolerance to anything unbiblical. i learned to insult people just because they don’t seemed to know the difference of true worship and a ‘filthy’ new dance craze.

    i feel so helpless that our Christian brothers & sisters seems to get worst. and it is so sad to know that this is just a taste of what is yet to come.

    i am really sorry to the people that i have caused offensive language (especially to Jamie, my brother in Christ)

    • Jamie says:

      Well personally, I’m not trying to say that Harlem Shake is worship. It’s just a dance song. The people in these videos and churches are not using it as a form of worship, they’re just jumping onto the bandwagon of a viral video.

      Thank you for your concern(I guess?) but I don’t think I’ve used any offensive language. The only people being truly offensive on here are you ignorant wastrels.

  260. Lee says:

    Disciple Maker, I guess you voted for the antichrist, obama. I know you say he isn’t the antichrist, but he sure is an antichrist by aligning himself with the false god , allah. If you can’t see that then you are one of the people that has eyes and don’t see and ears and don’t hear. I am presuming this based on your recent post. obama is the most radical anti christian president we have yet seen and he is a slight preview of what is to come in the very near future with the Anti-Christ. I appreciate sites like this that keeps us informed about things in the world that show us that the time is short. God bless!

  261. David says:

    You are foolish

  262. Mario says:

    So Jamie you refused to forgive your brother who asked you for forgiveness, wow you are really a true christian, you really showed him, so you forgot what Jesus told the apostle that he had to forgive his brother 70 times 7. I bet you are one of those real christians. By the fruits says the Lord we will be able to know who are the real Lord’s disciples.

    Pride comes before the fall.

    • Jamie says:

      Actually, I did accept his apology. Thank you very much. However, I just hope it’s not sarcasm. If it’s not, that’s cool. I do forgive him. But if it is, doesn’t that make him in the wrong. I dunno. I mean I asked him if he was so why don’t you let him answer that, smart guy :p

  263. JAMIE:
    YOU SAID THE THAT NOT THE ENTIRE WORLD WILL HATE! WHY DO NOT YOU TRY GOING TO IRAN AND AS A AMERICAN WOULD YOU THINK THE ENTIRE COUNTRY WOULD HATE YOU?
    BASICALLY YOUR THE ONE IS FULL OF CRAP! YOU NEED TO GET RIGHT WITH JESUS AND FIND SALVATION, YOU MIGHT FIND OUT HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL HATE YOU. WHEN THE TRIBULATION STARTS, IF YOUR B.A.C. CHRISTIAN, EVERY ONE WILL HATE YOU FOR YOUR FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST!
    LEE: WHEN THE TRIBULATION STARTS, AND YOUR A UNBELIEVER THEN YOUR ON THE SIDE OF THE ANTICHRIST. IT WILL BE JUST LIKE IN THE DAYS OF HITLER, THE JEWS WERE HATED BY ALL NAZI’S

    THE BEST WAY TO SEE IF YOUR A TRUE CHRISTIAN TO JESUS CHRIST, IS BY YOUR FRUITS. IF YOUR TOTALLY ON JESUS SIDE, YOU WOULD NOT BE AGAINST OTHER CHRISTIAN BELIEFS. IF YOUR PROUD OF JESUS YOU WOULD BE PRAISING JESUS HOW HE CHANGED YOUR LIFE? WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HATE OTHERS, WE NEED TO SHOW BROTHERLY LOVE TO EVERYONE AND BE KIND TO EVERYONE! IF SOMEONE WRONGS YOU, IMMEDIATELY YOU NEED TO FORGIVE THAT PERSON AND NEVER HOLD IT AGAINST HIM.
    ALL UNBELIEVERS WILL FINALLY GET WHAT’S COMING TO THEM AT JUDGEMENT DAY. ONE THING YOU ALWAYS FIND OUT IN LIFE, YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO FACE THE MAKER FOR YOUR WRONGS, THERE NO WAY TO OUT RUN IT! AS IN REV. 3: 16- SO BECAUSE YOU ARE LUKEWARM, AND NEITHER HOT OR COLD, I WILL SPIT YOU OUT OF MY MOUTH.
    WHAT JESUS IS SAYING: YOUR PLAYING BOTH SIDES! YOU WANT TO BE WITH JESUS BUT YOU WANT THE DESIRES OF THIS WORLD HAS TO OFFER YOU! SO WHAT’S IT GOING TO BE, YOU CAN’T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS?

    • Jamie says:

      Simmer down there bud. I am a born again Christian with a strong faith that Christ is my ROCK and my REDEEMER, so don’t you go pointing fingers at me.

      YOU”RE DOING THE SAME THING!!! You are disagreeing with my Christian beliefs RIGHT NOW! You just told me that I’m not a believer!! Are you BLIND????

  264. Mario says:

    Amen Pastor Steven, this is the final time, this is Judgment Day, do you serve Christ or do you serve the world, there is no two ways here. Jamie the ball is in your side. Choose Christ or choose the world.

    • Jamie says:

      Mario, bro, I am unashamedly and unabashedly on the side of Christ! My arguments are not unbiblical, and I’m taking this too seriously anyway. Because, who are we kidding, this is like the most bogus topic in the world.

      You want some examples of how evil the world is? Read about serial killers who terrorize society, rapists, drug dealers, criminals. There is so much darkness in this world, and yeah it sucks! However, complaining about A DANCE SONG is such a petty and pointless argument! There are so many better things to be “prophesying” about! Come on, seriously! Think about it! You don’t think there are better ways to use your time?

      Go find some real evil, guys. This is just sad.And comical.

      • Jamie says:

        I mean, there’s a TON of evil music out there. And a lot of pop music today is also unwholesome and shallow. It’s true! But why don’t you go rip on THOSE songs?
        People like Lady Gaga and Nicki Minaj?
        Jeez I really hate their music :p It’s all about partying and doing drugs! THAT’S evil. And while the people themselves are not DEMONIC, the music they make does truly influence our youth in a bad way. I see it every day it breaks my heart!

        Of course, the list goes on and on and on and o, but you get my point.

  265. DrPenn777 says:

    Hmmm…..I’m not sure what all of the fuss is about? It’s not in the middle of a church service and it doesn’t depict things that are obscene or sinful. I mean if you believe that we shouldn’t have musical instruments in the church, then I guess this is off limits as well. But then what is within your limits. It’s easy to point fingers, but what exactly are you doing in order to reach the youth of America? Hmmmm?

  266. NotAfraid says:

    Greetings my brothers and sisters in Christ. While reading this article and some of the comments, all I could think of was the Salem Witch Trials and the strict Puritans.
    There are so many judgmental comments on here I find it hard to believe this is a Christian website. It seems to be nothing more than fire and brimstone.
    I am a youth group leader and a high school teacher and all this seems to be is a follow up to the last dance craze, Gangnam style. That is all it is.
    Would I do this at my gatherings? No, but I do not judge these people. It is a joke and they were just having fun. That’s all. This is not a sign of the end of the world! I do not believe in a God that is so merciless and strict people can’t have a little fun. It was a one time thing to get attention and the teens they bring in will hear the gospel and receive salvation. I bet they had a worship and scripture readings before this.
    Please please get off your high horses and start acting like Christians! We are not a hate monger group that puts down others. We pray for them. Frankly, I see so much worse going on at school and dance crazes like this go out in a few months. It was a joke. Probably not the best one, but I must say the author of this article was extremely negative and had racial undertones in his writing. Jungle music? Rappers? You seem to be hinting your disdain of a certain racial group!
    One day, all of your sins will be put on display and I pray more mercy is shown to you than most of you showed to this youth group.

  267. Lyn Leahz says:

    Jamie: Uh, I know it is fake. I posted it because it was hilarious and it also fit the subject line. I thought everyone could use a good laugh. Duh! LOL

  268. Bahar1 says:

    Indeeddd it was!! The actor riding the bicycle looked just like Josh Groban. Maybe it was?

  269. Bahar1 says:

    I am sitting here LOLing on the floor just thinking about you all rolling on the floor at these comments. A good laugh WAS needed over here that’s for sure. I love Josh’s singing and he is multi talented, so it could be possible; however, now I do recall that was part of a longer length clip that was kind of crude and unGodly as Lyn jogs my memory so on further thought I do not think Josh would have willingly participated. This second rate film turned out to be highly controversial, and “offended” certain Muzlims…

    • Jamie says:

      Yeah man, laughing is the best :)

      Josh is amazing. Did you ever see his DVD “Live at the Greek”? That was gold!

      Is he a christian?

  270. Bahar1 says:

    Wow, that was really “moving”!! LOL

  271. Bahar1 says:

    Above comment was to gangham style video which has my ribs aching! Jamie, I’m sure I must have seen Josh in that one. Yes, he is soooo amazing. I read that he was brought up in a Christian denomination but has Jewish ancestry, and now is still kind of “searching”. I have not seen anywhere where he has come out with anything specific on this. It appears to me that he veers more onto the PC side of things, tries to be neutral but yet there is something so special about him…I pray that he is or will be a born again Christian esp as fast as end time prophecy is happening!

    • Jamie says:

      Gangnam Style is so funny xD The lyrics area riot!

      Huh, I never knew that about him! It makes sense though because all his music is very love-based and has some references to faith. You’re right! We really need some celebrities who are godly!

  272. Lyn Leahz says:

    I know this is probably wrong..but I don’t really care about offending a Muslim, especially about my faith. They are an offense to me. I pray they renounce the demons that rule their spirit and soul and come to Christ. The movie, as I recall other clips, made fun of everyone..not just Muslims. So they need to get over it. :-)

    • Jamie says:

      Well, I see what you’re saying, because Muslims really don’t think high;y of us Christians. However, we do need to have a certain degree of respect for other’s beliefs, even if we know they’re wrong. Yknow? I mean sure, I don’t believe in Islam or buddhism and stuff like that, but I’m not gonna go hating on them.

      But then there’s radical muslims who, yknow, fly over here and fly a plane into our cities. That’s definitely evil and wrong and catastrophic. But not all Muslims are like that, they’re just misguided and misled!

      But even so, I don’t think making fun of any religion is particularly terrible. :p It’s all in good fun haha!

  273. Lyn Leahz says:

    You asked, “IS JOSH GROBAN A CHRISTIAN?” Here is what Yahoo answers says:
    josh groban is epsicopalian, which is a sect of christianity, yes.
    according to wikipedia, “Josh Groban was born in Los Angeles, California, to a Jewish American father (a descendant of Polish and Russian immigrants) and a Norwegian American mother. His father converted to Christianity upon marriage, and Groban was raised an Anglican-Episcopalian.”

    also, josh groban did not write “you raise me up”. many other artists have sang that too. in many interviews josh has stated that the reason he likes that song was that it could mean so many different things to so many different people. “You” could be God, a lover, a friend, a parent, etc etc.
    He’s never outwardly proclaimed that he was Christian, but he does celebrate Christmas, and who’s to know how much of a practicing Christian he is, you know? he’s very good at keeping his life private and keeping out of the tabloids and all that ;]
    hope that helped =)

  274. Lyn Leahz says:

    Jamie: No, I did not mean to hate them. I was meaning that I’m not going to be abnormal and not be myself because a Muslim might get offended. I honestly did not mean to hate them.

    • Jamie says:

      Oh yeah it’s all good :p I didn’t think you hated them, but there are certain choice people on here who probably do need to hear that xD haha!

      But yeah I get what you mean!

  275. Lyn Leahz says:

    Jamie: LOL Well, I must admit, I live in a body of flesh so it is by faith that I say this. There is the fleshly part of me, because of all that I see and hear, that has a VERY HARD TIME.

  276. Bahar1 says:

    Lyn, I was in no way defending Muzlims, just saying that vid became controversial because they used it to gain leverage for their sicko demonic so- called religion which is really an idealogical strategic plan for forcing the world into submission or death. If you want to see some real Muzlim bashing google Ann Barnhardt. That girl goes for the juggler! But you probably already know about her and then some.

  277. Lyn Leahz says:

    Bahar1: Oh don’t worry! I know that. I knew exactly what you were saying. I was just responding to what it made me think of. You are fine! :-)

  278. Lyn Leahz says:

    D CITY: JAMIE: This is for you. Everybody bow your heads and be a chic and cry now!

  279. Lyn Leahz says:

    Woo hoo! Well you were all talking about love. God has spoken to me through this song so many times.

  280. Lyn Leahz says:

    Illuminati! You all need to study the Illuminati and the Bilderbergs better. You’d run from dark knight…and most of Hollywood stuff.

  281. Lyn Leahz says:

    Let’s do and say not..how about that? Actually, it’s pretty interesting. You’re missing out boy! Missing out… ;-P

  282. Lyn Leahz says:

    I’m telling you…missing you. I’ve got some stuff on it. Wicked stuff. More interesting than Batman..because it’s real… just sayin…

  283. Lyn Leahz says:

    Hey, do you guys think we could get up to 1000 comments on this particular post? What do you think?

  284. Buy yourself I do not see a problem with us way over a thousand lol

  285. Lyn Leahz says:

    Huh..I don’t know why I typod that? LOL the missing you…. must have been subconscious…the Holy Spirit was speaking to you through me telling you that He misses you…awwww… seriously..I don’t know why I put that! that’s funny!

  286. Lyn Leahz says:

    Wow, Jamie. Why would you say that? I don’t think I, or anyone has been rude or mean to you at all. That was pretty mean. We were laughing and everything just a while ago..where did that come from? Did that bean soup just now creep up on you? That’s okay….get it out…c’mon…push! ha ha

    • Mike says:

      Lyn, I’m wondering if that obscene comment is the
      title of his new harmless dance video.At least frodo
      had the guts to apologise,didn’t obscenely assault
      a sister and run off.

  287. Mike says:

    May be he’s gone to make another harmless dance video

  288. Lyn Leahz says:

    It’s okay :-) Thank u for being so thoughtful. And it is hurtful at times..I have to admit. I think we all come across different in words because there is no facial expression, voice inflection, etc. but I’m a sensitive person..I wouldn’t purposely try to hurt someone for nothing, and if I think I have, i feel bad. I have no idea where the personal attack on me came from by him..I was nothing but kind to him. Apparently the Holy Sp comment hit a nerve.. that was weird. I have no idea why I typed the missing you thing..seriously. I looked at that and thought, “I didn’t write that..” It’s good that it hit a nerve. I will tell you this. The Lord told me recently that when people reject me and get angry, it’s okay, because witnessing doesn’t mean we will see results right then and there. Sometimes it can be months or years… we plant seeds. Something happens in that person’s life to where they hit the bottom..and then out of nowhere, they remember what was said to them..and they are reminded..and it grows…and then, maybe..just maybe..they get saved as a result. That is what the Lord told me in my own spirit. So I’m not worried. We have to remind ourselves that people who act like that really don’t know us…we are no more than a pic and an name. They do not know us personally. He has issues, and we need to remember him in our prayers because time is very, very short. We don’t want anyone to spend forever in Hell, or to be left here during the times of Great tribulation.

    • Mike says:

      Very generous comments towards your verbal assailant
      You are truly a sister in the Lord ……God Bless You.

      • Lyn Leahz says:

        And God bless you abundantly, Mike. You are very generous with kindness, and the Lord blesses those who bless others. Go forth and be blessed my brother in Christ Jesus. Because you blessed the messenger and did not persecute them.

  289. Lyn Leahz says:

    Well God bless you. But in truth, I have my own personal battles. I hate sin…and I hate the fact that I know better..I have grown up in church all of my life…I was raised with a very spiritual, godly grandma who talked about the secrets and mysteries of the Spirit most do not. I know better. Yet I hate my sin the most. And I cry out to people to help them…God has moved in me to do this. It is not the people who take offense,..yes, we are all pawns from time to time…but it is the enemy. And we are battling stronger devils in this day than ever before. The Lord told me during many a prayer to be bold and to not sugar coat the truth….because He does not have time for it. There are enough sugar coaters sprinkling the Body of Christ with deception that is going to lead them straight to Hell. People, as you’ve seen here in earlier messages, think I’m full of myself or pious, or think I think I’m perfect..that couldn’t be further from the truth. Jonah wasn’t perfect, but he had a message for the people of Ninevah. He ran from God, and God chased after him. Much calamity came upon Jonah, including death in the belly of the whale..and he went to the bowels of Hell and back. He was allowing fear to operate in him..but God used Him. I’m no better than anyone else here, and do not ever mean to come off this way. I am a messenger with the message from the Lord, and there are many of us…sent to tell those living in unrepentance and those who are unsaved to hurry up! Hurry like never before! Don’t take the path everyone else is taking… there is one that is less obvious, and it is somewhat hidden because not enough of those of us with the light are lighting the way! Shame on us for not doing our job as we ought… The earth is God’s footstool..but what does this mean? It means we are His feet…we are to carry His Holy Spirit and His truth. The earth is the place where His feet are at…US! God does need us..He needs us to do our job and to turn away from sin..and it’s harder than ever because we are swimming in the filth of the world..trying to keep our face out of it. I struggle too..and have…so I know what I am talking about. Anyone who sees this post… RUN! RUN FAR AWAY FROM THE THINGS OF THE WORLD! That drink in your hand..put it down! Is it worth your soul? That man or woman you are sleeping with outside of marriage…is the fornication worth Hell? Those lies you are telling…is a moment of facing responsibility in truth or persecution worth eternity in Hell? Those cigarettes you are smoking…are they worth Hell? NO! None of it is. Is that pornography, or the lustful imagery..Satan’s tools..worth Hell? Noah is on the Ark..the door is open wide..but it is closing soon. Will you believe and get in, before the rain falls down? Or will you chide with the world and wait until it’s too late? These are the things we need to think about. This is our last chance to do what we were supposed to do all along…tell the world…lest we be covered in shame VERY SOON when we kneel before our heavenly Father and give account..not just for the things we did…but the things we DID NOT do. God bless you! And I used the word “YOU” in here liberally to mean people in general..not “You” personally, brother.

    • Mike says:

      A Men Lyn,…And may all hear the word of the Lord
      and believe so they may receive salvation through
      Jesus Christ…..God ..Bless…you….all.

    • Levi says:

      For we need to forget that we are we but Christ that liveth in us. Whether they listen to us or not, whether they love us or hate us, we have to obey His commandment. He has given us a commission to Go and preach the gospel….

      Ezekiel 2:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day.

      Ezekiel 2:4 For they are impudent children and stiffhearted. I do send thee unto them; and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD.

      Ezekiel 2:5 And they, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear, (for they are a rebellious house,) yet shall know that there hath been a prophet among them.

      Ezekiel 2:6 And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.

      Ezekiel 2:7 And thou shalt speak my words unto them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear: for they are most rebellious.

  290. Paul Morn says:

    1. After reading through the hundreds of comments, I’ve come to realize that those who feel this video is demonic have a propensity to misuse scripture. The verses you post have NOTHING to do with the topic and frankly, it’s an embarrassment to the Christian community. You need to understand context before rebuking with scripture. Otherwise it sounds like you just googled a few keywords and grabbed the first KJV verse that popped up.

    2. I read a lot of comments pointing towards Jesus driving out the money changers in the Temple. If you think that a church building is a temple, then you’re missing out on some foundational doctrine. Christ was the temple (torn down and rebuilt in three days). That specific temple was the dwelling place of the Lord. Now He dwells within us via the Holy Spirit. The church building is nothing more than a building. The Temple of the Lord is in our hearts (and not physical hearts for those of you who seem to love to be literal). Comparing this video to that scripture is like saying that we should ban whaling because Jonah was swallowed by a large fish. There’s no reasonable connection unless you ignore context.

    3. Pharisees were blinded by their zeal and arrogance. So many of you are sitting on your high horse, throwing judgment on the people below. You’re calling yourselves saints, as if that were some honorary title for how holy you are. Anyone who is in Christ is a saint. Christ lead by example and was humble. If you flash your saint card around like you are, you’re boasting and it’s all about you.
    If sounds like you all want to start a little club where the sinless can get together and talk about how sinful the rest of the world is. Too bad Jesus would be the only member and He wouldn’t spend his time doing what you’re doing. Jesus would be reaching out to the non-believers with genteelness, compassion, and love. You are doing no good sitting at your computer, bickering and tearing down a part of the body that you feel is damaged.

    4. I did my research as well. This video took 5 minutes to shoot and was done AFTER a church service. Even if it wasn’t, our idea of a church service is completely culturally driven. Even your church services steam from Constantine’s establishment of Christianity as a religion in the 4th century. If you meet with in a building with pews, or even more simply, if you have pastor who stands behind a podium and preaches, then your church services are being influenced by a Roman courthouse from the 4th century. Old Roman courthouses were the first church buildings and it still sticks with us.
    So, you can’t say that your way is the right way because your service traditions have their secular roots too. If people are praising the Lord, being taught His Word, praying for each other, reaching out to non-believers, and serving their community, then it shouldn’t matter how they do their services!

    5. Your demonic paranoia seems to be what drives all of your conversations, rather than the love of Christ. Why do you fear demons so much? If the Lord is for us, who can stand against us? On our own, we’re nothing. Jesus Christ gives us power. The Bible tells us to resist Satan and he will flee. Instead, you talk about him so much! That’s what he wants! We should be completely aware of his schemes, but be looking to the Lord and talking about the one who saved us. Stop giving Satan so much credit.

    6. Your discord and factions are a horrible testimony to the community of Christ and the fruits you’re producing. I don’t think there is anything demonic going on in the community on this site. I just think there’s a lot of arrogant, scared people who justify themselves by pointing out the logs in other people’s eyes.
    I feel bad for all the poor souls who will never know Jesus because you represent Him with just hate and judgment. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

  291. Lyn Leahz says:

    MIKE: God bless you.

  292. God Bless everyone. As far as I know there are two beings that mentioned a whole lot of shaking gonna be going on. Only one was human. The other was God himself.

    Jerry Lee Lewis “whole lot of shaking going on” 1957

    God through John about 2000 years ago and he was referring to brining down mountains and the the earth shaking and quaking.

    Any other shaking then from God is not biblical.

    Even mr Lewis’s shakin is not biblical.

    Hope we have all learned something from this comment. God Bless.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      superbly put, D city

    • jeff aiden says:

      That’s actually not true. you’re using the term “shaking” loosely. Who is to say that when David danced, it wasn’t considered a form of “shaking”? no where in the Bible does it say “you can only move your body so many inches within so many seconds before its considered shaking and demonic”. why are you all so focussed on this? what about reaching souls for christ? what about truly living out the great commission?

  293. sc moma says:

    The youth group at our church, a Church of God, made a video of them doing this. I admit it’s hard to reach young people with hymns but I was shocked.

  294. Levi says:

    Report: Obama Wants Timetable for Israeli Pullout
    Unconfirmed report in World Tribune says Obama wants a detailed Israeli withdrawal plan from Netanyahu.
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    By Gil Ronen
    First Publish: 3/4/2013, 12:32 PM

    Obama
    Reuters
    U.S. President Barack Obama has demanded a timetable for an Israeli withdrawal from Judea and Samaria, according to an unconfirmed report by World Tribune.

    The report quotes anonymous “Israeli sources.”

    According to the report, Obama, who is scheduled to arrive in Israel on March 20, wants Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu to present him with a detailed Israeli withdrawal plan during his visit to Israel. The sources said the Israeli plan “would be considered in what could be an imminent U.S. initiative to establish a Palestinian state in the West Bank in 2014.”

    “Obama has made it clear to Netanyahu that his visit is not about photo-ops, but the business of Iran and a Palestinian state,” a source said. “The implication is that if Israel won’t give him something he can work with, then he’ll act on his own.”

    The sources noted that “Obama aides” have stressed that Congress supports the establishment of a Palestinian state as a U.S. priority.

    “The Obama people are making this a litmus test of Netanyahu’s leadership and credibility,” the Israeli sources said. “Obama supporters in Congress have sent Netanyahu a similar message.”

  295. Debra says:

    If OB strong arms Netanyahu about giving up land we can expect a big disaster to come real soon in America. According to the bible, what ever we do to Israel will be done to us. We have seen it over and over again since 1991 when Bush began to pressure Israel to give up land for peace! One disaster after another has happened either close to or on the day the president or representative is strong arming Israel to give land for peace! God said He would crush the nations that divide His Land Israel. We have been experiencing many crushing disasters as a result of the dividing the land of Israel by our leaders. God Help us and remove these leaders before we are destroyed for good!!!!!!!!!!!

  296. Levi says:

    All these things must come to pass.

  297. Jade Margaret Partridge says:

    Wow, this is the kind of crud that brings a bad name to Christians. I am a member of this church and I couldn’t disagree with this more. Get a grip, this shouldn’t have been taken to such an extreme.Yes there are more traditional churches, I was raised Presbyterian, so we would never get crazy like this… But I love how this church delivers their message and praises God. This church has brought me closer to God than I’ve ever been. Did you actually listen to the message before this? I strongly urge the author to not judge but to love, in other words, WE ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD. I know that a sin is a sin is a sin right??… Well for you to condemn this church, the church that brings me closer to God every service I go to and MANY other people who commit their lives to Christ when they attend a service, that is just wrong, sounds like you would rather those who are lost to continue to stay lost.

    • jeff aiden says:

      unfortunately, “christians” that try to seperate the body of Christ live in a very dangerous place. Don’t let these people discourage you.

  298. Mario says:

    The question you need to ask if is this Church is truly following God? Is the Church preaching repentance? That you must repent of your evil ways and turn your life to Christ? There are out there Gay churches that are telling gay people that they don’t have to repent of the evil of their ways because God loves them the way they are because they were born that way.

  299. Lee says:

    Well said Mario! If the church is not preaching repentance then it is not under Christ to begin with. I cannot say if this church is doing that, but I do believe that by bringing in such actions gives us reason to suspect that it doesn’t due to its fruit. I guess it would be alright to bring in Jay-Z and Beyonce to perform in your church as well. God bless!

    • jeff aiden says:

      If you watch this church online, you’ll notice that every single service, not matter what the message is about, ends in a message of repentance.

  300. Mario says:

    Here is a good example of the evil of this practice that Satan wants to infiltrate in our churches, here watch this video of the famous harlem shake

  301. Mario says:

    @Jeff if you dont see the truth how can we explain it to you? How can you describe red color to a blind person? The truth of God opens our eyes so we can see the deceits of the devil, we are called to be watchmen on the wall to advise our fellow men when the devil is attacking so they get ready for the battle. That is what we are doing by showing this dance is evil, with sexual inuendos, movements that are similar to a sexual act. Please dont try to justify what they are doing pretending that is to entice young people to come to Church. It is called HUMANISM. The end justifies the means. WRONG!!!!!! You cannot force people to accept Christ, only the Holy Spirit convicts our hearts and pricks us to come to the Lord’s presence.

  302. monavie says:

    I do agree with all of the ideas you’ve presented for your post. They are really convincing and can certainly work. Nonetheless, the posts are very brief for beginners. Could you please lengthen them a bit from subsequent time? Thanks for the post.

  303. Olive Garden I think is the real problem! They need to stop serving up free breadsticks, soup, and salad.

    It’s sending a message to our youth, the message is of freely giving themselves up to dark forces!!! Also Gangnam style must be stopped the Koreans are gonna take over the USA!

    Goodnight and Olive Garden butthole. Check out deathsquad.tv for stickers and shirts #deathsquad #redban

  304. People! The song has the words, “With the terrorists” in it. What do they mean “with the terrorists?” I can’t figure that one out, but if you all are debating whether you should do it in church or not, clearly that’s a sign that you think it is inappropriate. Follow the Holy Spirits leading, not the world, which is dominated by Satan. When I think of terrorists I think of Osama Bin Laden and Hitler (and what was there fate). I don’t want to be dancing with them. We are to avoid even the appearance of evil (1 Thessalonians 5:22). Instead of dancing with terrorists, we need to spend time praying for Israel and praying against “TERRORIST” regime in Syria. Also, what is our Source of truth for our opinion regarding this video? Before doing this in church, we need to get God’s opinion. The Bible is our Source of Truth, not the world and mans fickle ever changing opinion. His Word is final, He speaks through his Word. Will he approve of doing this video in church? Read the Bible from cover to cover.

    Also, the song was inspired by a fist-fight one of the creators of the song had with a skateboarder. He ended the fight by dancing crazy as in the video. If you all think this is Biblical, you seriously need to put aside the filth of the world and read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and reevaluate your Christian faith. Also, when Jesus Christ returns while I am doing the Harlem Shake, I would be very embarrassed. Case closed for me, I never argue over issues the Bible clearly speaks on. Most importantly, I love you all, see you in Heaven hopefully.

    “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” 2 Timothy 4:3,4

  305. JANE KAMIYA says:

    in this matter, all antichrist are getting closer to our way.. so we need to do something to stop them, WE HAVE ONLY ONE GOD. LET US PRAY AND PRAISE HIM NOT SATAN .I KNOW GOD WILL TAKE THE REST OF IT. WE NEED TO TRUST GOD BECOZ HE GIVES AS AN EVERLASTING LIFE.

  306. folks we are about to enter The Tribulation.
    google search Rapture by George P. Oledinplank
    for a very in-depth study on the “time” of the Rapture of the Church which is supported by scriptures from the K J V of the Holy Bible.
    The Bible definitely gives the EXACT Time of The Rapture.
    You will find it very informative.

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  321. PosterIsAnIdiot says:

    This article is proof positive that there are individuals out there so mind-numbingly stupid that they would associate something as ridiculous as ‘The Harlem Shake’ with the ‘End Times’ and Satan/the Antichrist.

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  322. tsy says:

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