Prophecy Watchers Stunned As Benjamin Netanyahu And Alexis Tsipras Form Alliance Yesterday

The Israeli and Greek prime ministers signed numerous bilateral agreements during a Wednesday government to government meeting, including in the fields of economic cooperation, innovation and energy.

Yesterday, one of the strangest and most astonishing political meetings took place in Israel.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warmly welcomed Greek PM Alexis Tsipras to discuss a three-way alliance between the countries of Israel, Greece and Cyprus. From a political perspective it’s a very interesting event, but from a prophecy perspective this thing is off the charts. Literally.

Back in February 11, 2015, we introduced you to Alexis Tsipras, this is what we said about him. “His name is Alexis Tsipras, and it seems that he meets much of the criteria of the prophesied Antichrist. He was just elected as the Prime Minister of Greece. He is an atheist and a far left winger. His party in Greece is called SYRIZA. He has appeared out of nowhere in the last couple of years, almost magically. He has landed himself in a most precarious situation. Greece is broken. Is he the one to fix it, and also the EU which is struggling and groping at almost anything to revive Europe? All eyes are on this man.” Remember that guy? You can refresh your memory by reading that full story here.

In recent years Israel has discovered several major offshore gas fields in the eastern Mediterranean containing trillions of cubic feet worth of gas, and is now keen to explore ways that it can transport it via Cyprus and then to Greece and into Europe. A move like this is of clear financial benefit to both Israel and a cash-strapped Greece. But of more interest was the rhetoric surrounding the meeting and the wider issues that were discussed.



The Israeli and Greek prime ministers signed numerous bilateral agreements during a Wednesday government to government meeting, including in the fields of economic cooperation, innovation and energy. “Energy also includes not merely discussing the possibilities of using our offshore gas, but also connecting Israel, Cyprus and Greece with an electricity cable that will, for the first time, enable Israel to diversify its electricity grid and even export gas through electrical energy,” Netanyahu said on Thursday.

Netanyahu and Tsipras are set to travel to Cyprus to meet with President Nicos Anastasiades for a trilateral summit dedicated to regional interests.

Alexis Tsipras, the Greek mystery man, after being quiet for many months now, has suddenly resurfaced in the most fascinating of all places, Israel. And the fact that he was there signing bilateral political and economic agreements has resounding prophetical implications. Just how far will it go?

Put on the coffee and open your bibles, things are about to get very interesting indeed. Stay Tuned…

NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he has a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.

  • Drew

    Still Obama…

    • guest

      If you’re implying Obama is the Antichrist, that’s not really probable. Obamadinijhad has sworn his loyalty to allah. Obama even has that ring on his finger that shows he’s a devout muslim.

      For a lover of allah to declare himself to be God, which is what the Antichrist will do in the middle of the Tribulation, would be the ULTIMATE form of blasphemy in islam. Further, no muslim would ever worship another muslim whose declaring himself to be God. The muslims would tear Obama to shreds.

      The Antichrist has to be of Roman descent, as the Bible teaches. Obama is a darn close archetype though.

      • Don

        I don’t think Obama is a Muslim, or he wouldn’t have attended a Christian (cough, cough) church, approved of homosexuality and abortion, I think he is an atheist, just like Tsipras, but you are correct, he can not be the Anti-Christ.

        Tsipras can, he was born in Europe, (Fourth Beast) and born in Greece (One of the Four Generals Kingdom Dan. 8) and born of Turkish parents (The Assyrian). May nor be, but he fits, whereas Obama does not. Obama is the John the Baptist of Satan, he is preparing the way, the USA must fall if Europe is to become the Big Dog so to speak, that is Obamas job.

      • Bill

        Wrong, on every account! The bible never says the Antichrist will be from Rome it does hint that he will come from Turkey. There is already billboards in Turkey claiming the pm of turkey is equal to God. You know nothing of Islam.

        • cooleemeeedd

          I’m with you, Bill! My current “favorite candidate” for Antichisthood is a Turk…subject to change, of course!

    • tyree

      you think? I don’t know..I always thought so myself..this guy though…hmm..

    • I agree that Obama is the AntiChrist

      • RWMackenzie

        An Anti-Christ in 1st John terms.

    • Rob H

      Obama doesn’t fit the profile. Besides, he’s too obvious and God has always been One for subtlety. Having someone appear out of Greece would be more His style (to put it nonchalantly) than having the much-watched leader of a superpower be the one to fulfill Prophecy.
      It’s interesting though, in 2008, Irvin Baxter reported a Muslim Cleric who spoke of Obama as “the voice that cries out and lets you know something better is coming,” which is eerily reminiscent of some sick parody of John the Baptist. Simply put, Obama’s not the AntiChrist but when Obama starts singing some other leader’s praises, look closely at that man.

      • Anne

        God doesn’t plan this out. Just because the bible is full of prophecy doesn’t mean it’s God’s plan. It’s just prophecy of things to come. God gave everyone free will. He just knows what’s going to happen.

      • Grace

        God shows His servants what is to come but to say God has someone come out of somewhere is not biblical, God knows the end from the beginning, He is Eternal. Satan is the one who has prepared someone to fill those shoes. God doesn’t entice anyone to sin for He is Holy. He shows us what is to come and how it will end with Christ being victorious over all. Glory to God!

  • Cooleemeeedd

    Well, we’ll see!

  • Fed Up

    How many people do you guys think are the anti-christ? Geez.

    • RedViking

      I believe there is one big “A” Anti-Christ. Figure out which one before he appears would be extremely hard, since his boss is the master of deceit.

  • CB

    What are the “resounding prophetical implications” to which you refer?

  • Suzanne

    A friendship for….peace….progress…and security….hmmmm

  • Dave

    Bunk. The Antichrist is supposed to fiscally brilliant. A mastermind. Greece and Cyprus both are in a tailspin.

    With respect to those who think Obama is Antichrist, Ezekiel still calls Antichrist “that wicked prince of Israel.” Also Jeremiah says the Antichrist will be “wiser than Daniel.” Obama? LOL. no. Although I might say he is a sort of John the Baptist preparing the way for Antichrist.

    • Martin

      Agree with you Dave. He is a an enconomic genius, becomes a military genius, has the answers to all the worlds problems. He will be the most handsome man the world has seen. People will fall in love the world over. Not ruling it out, but the man of sin won’t be revealed now anyway. He is in the shadows, waiting.

      • MRH

        “He will be the most handsome man the world has seen”

        @ Martin: Chapter and verse please 😉

        Dan 11:21 KJV – And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.

        extremely unpleasant.
        “he has a vile temper”
        synonyms: foul, nasty, unpleasant, bad, disagreeable, horrid, horrible, dreadful, abominable, atrocious, offensive, obnoxious, odious, unsavory, repulsive, disgusting, distasteful, loathsome, hateful, nauseating, sickening

        P.S. In all of American history has there ever been a more vile president than Obama? 😉

        • Grace

          Not in American history, no I agree with that but in the world’s history there have been some very vile people as Kings, leaders.

          • MRH

            @ Grace: Yes I understand your drift. But are you aware that the UN is the hub of the NWO? And that America was birthed by the Illuminati on 5/5/1776? Anyway, below is inside knowledge worthy of pondering 💡 😉

            The street design in Washington, D.C., has been laid out in such a manner that certain Luciferic symbols are depicted by the streets, cul-de-sacs and rotaries. This design was created in 1791, a few years after Freemasonry assumed the leadership of the New World Order, in 1782.

            In Europe, occult leaders were told by their familiar spirits as early as the 1740’s that the new American continent was to be established as the new “Atlantis,” and its destiny was to assume the global leadership of the drive to the New World Order. The United States of America was chosen to lead the world into this kingdom of Antichrist from the very beginning. The capital is Washington, D.C., which is evidenced by the preponderance of occult symbols.


    • rick

      What are those references in Ezekiel and Jeremiah?

  • agasdg

    Tsipras can’t be the Antichrist – he’s been with a woman for years and has children with her. The Antichrist is supposed to be uninterested in women.

    • The Bible does not say the Antichrist is uninterested in women. It says the Antichrist does not honor the desire of women.(Daniel 11:37) Big difference my friend. The subjection of women in Muslim societies is a reality for the whole world to see.

      • agasdg

        Hmm, Muslim societies? Irrelevant to the topic at hand. Tsipras doesn’t exactly seem like a blatant Muslim to me. And he’s certainly from an Islamic country, isn’t he? Why, that Greece is as Islamic as they come. 😉

        • Don

          Why do you assume the Anti-Christ will be a Muslim ? It actually makes ZERO SENSE when you just use plain logic, besides using scriptures. Lets see, the world has to accept this leader via peace, he will not come to power by forces, so please tell me why you think anyone would allow a Muslim to assume power in todays world ? With all the Muslim killings throughout the world this makes no sense. The bible says he will not honor the gods of his fathers nor ANY GODS, translation, he will be an avowed atheist. The Assyrian verbiage only means he has to be of Turkish descent.

          Scriptures also say in Rev. 17 that the Kings in league with the beast kill off all false Religion (Harlot) and so he Kills off Islam.

        • Not sure where you get your information – Greece: a Muslim country? NO that is not true. I wrote the original article on Tsipras when I was still writing for Geoffrey. Tsipras is an avowed atheist, but I uncovered that he has Jewish ancestry.

          And just FYI – The Antichrist will NOT be Muslim.

          • 01e1ngvar

            According to their hadiths, Al-Masikh Al-Dajjal (Antichrist) will be from Muslims 😀 .

    • carson

      genesis 3:16, the desire of woman, and but the pair aren’t married

    • Bill

      Lol, The bible never once says he will be uninterested in women. It says he will not honor the desire of woman just like in Islam. Islam will be the religion of the Antichrist. Islam is the green horse

      • Kiwiwatcher

        “not honor the desire of woman” – so the antichrist will shut down shopping malls, shoe shops and make-up counters?

    • The passage to which you are referring is found in Daniel 11:36-37

      36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. 37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

      The phrase at issue here is “neither shall he regard…the desire of women”.

      This is not a reference to his own sexuality, but to the way he rules the nations under his thumb; At a time just after the Gog/Magog war, when 5 of 6 soldiers dies in the field of battle, he will prohibit polygamy, in these predominantly Muslim nations!

      This act will gain him the support of professing Christians, because he is from a Muslim family (though not a Muslim himself, see verse 36).

      He will take over just after a major war, like Jesus Christ, but in this regard he is the opposite of Jesus Christ! He does not care for the desires of women to marry, even when they have just survived a major war where most of the men have died! This behaviour on his part causes a great increase in sin, as women still want children, only now they can’t marry!

      Jesus takes over in a similar situation, but here is what the bible says He will do;

      Isaiah 3:25 Thy men shall fall by the sword, and thy mighty in the war. 26 And her gates shall lament and mourn; and she being desolate shall sit upon the ground. 4;1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach. 2 In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.

      Jesus will allow polygamy in the early years of the Millennial reign, but in the beginning of his reign the Antichrist will not! The majority of Christians will support the Antichrist because most professing Christians do not know their LORD!

  • I am fascinated by prophecy and how God everyday to fulfill His Word!
    Whether this be the man or not, we know for certainty that the seven year tribulation is coming!
    I look forward to the Lord descending from Heaven for His Church, all born again believers in the Son.

  • Larry / vietnamvet1971

    This is interesting and as we read, follow End Time prophecy it is becoming more clear to those that have the Holy Spirit that reveals, leads, guides us. And some people on here say foolish, silly comments and make childish comments.

    • mariaan

      Pope Francis from the Roman Empire will shortly reveal himself as the Antichrist…look on yu-tube to all his videos. Lucifer’s throne was erected inside thr Vatican…he is so demonised…the headson of satan

      • john

        He’s the False Prophet; npt the AC.

  • Iwonder

    He’s got a woman and two kids and besides I think he does not have enough charisma for the suggested path at hand.

  • You folks at NTEB are so far off base it is laughable. The Bible tells us precisely what nations come against Israel prior to the return of the Messiah. And they are all Muslim nations! Is Alexis Tsipras a Muslim! He may be an atheist but he is certainly not a Muslim. The only person on the world scene today that fits the description of last Antichrist is Turkey’s Erdogan, who is hellbent on reviving the Ottoman Empire. You folks are so anti-Catholic that you have become so blinded you cannot see what is in front of your very eyes. Yes, Pope Frances is a heretic, but that doesn’t mean Catholicism is anti-Christian. FYI, “The Whore of Babylon” is not the Catholic Church. It is Islam!

    • Kiwiwatcher

      Ken – interested in your whore of Babylon.

      “And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.” Rev 18:24

      Which prophet from the Bible was killed in an islamic country/city? When and where?

      Ask the same question to the Babylonian catholics?

    • Don

      Not so, the Great Harlot is all False Religion, from the beginning of mankind until now. It is Islam but also all False Religion, thus it sits on many waters and many tongues and nations. It is not Mystery Babylon, BUT..Mystery, ….Babylon the Great, ….Mother of Harlots. John calls it a Mystery, then he denotes Babylon the Great, then calls her a Harlot. These are descriptors. It is a Mystery it is Babylon the Great and she is a fornicator, she was later described as Rome by way of 7 hills. She has the blood of the Saints AND the Martyrs of Jesus on her hands. John is saying that this Harlot is on both sides of the CROSS, she is a Mystery, she was birthed in Babylon, and she is a fornicator just like Israel was when she served False gods. Rome is where the headquarters of False Religion resided in Johns time……..But alas, it is ALL FALSE RELIGION that is Judged. She is Judged in Rev. 17:1, God tells John to come and see her judgment, then later in Rev. 17 the Kings in league with the Beast destroy and burn her.BUT WHY ? Because the Beast/Anti-Christ wants to be the ONLY GOD…We know this is true through scriptures, he claims to be GOD !!! The very next verse say God placed this in their hearts.

      Sorry to you Walid supporters, but Islam is destroyed, this will give this world leader cred, this Islam is a menace to society. But he comes to power via a worldwide economic collapse. Islamic people have no power to conquer the world, thats fantasy talk man.

      • Kiwiwatcher

        Doesnt appear to be a mystery then Don. People have pegged the Vatican for hundreds of years as Babylon the Great. So did John get it wrong? Or did he mean something else?

  • Tynisha

    Pope francis most likely is the antichrist.

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  • marian

    Hats off to you, Geoff, for recognizing the antichrist characteristics of Tsipras in 2015. I thought his capitulation to the bankers ruled him out (and posted as much), but now I’m reconsidering his role. Anyone who aligns with Israel needs to be scrutinized for obvious reasons. Confirmation may not come until after we’re gone, but still… heads up!

  • Much ado about nothing important.

  • Donna

    Would it be possible to translate the Greek PM’s answer to the question about a Palestinian State into English?

  • Kiwiwatcher

    Antichrist no – 3791.
    A man who does not wear a tie to a Head of State press conference is definitely not the antichrist. He will take the kingdom (Israel) by flatteries – not slothfulness.

    If he is a declared atheist – he definitely is not the antichrist.

    The antichrist will have minimal baggage and will be someone we would warm towards – if we were still here.

  • As I understand it, the Antichrist won’t be revealed until the church (bride of Christ) is removed.

    • The Bible says the opposite, that the day of our gathering together unto the Lord shall not come until the Antichrist is revealed first:

      Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
      That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. – 2 Th. 2:1-4

      But pretribulationists don’t accept that, they don’t want to see the tribulation at all and say that they will disappear secretly before anything of that happens…

      • Don

        You got it backwards. The word is DEPART (apostisia) we depart then the Anti-Christ is revealed. The first 5 English translations had Depart. The KJV is great, but not infallible.

        • “The first 5 English translations had Depart. The KJV is great, but not infallible.”

          Wow! Now you even spit on the KJV to defend your false pretribulation rapture?

          I checked 7 other versions of the Bible: The French FLS, 2 Italian versions, 2 Indonesian versions and 2 traditional Chinese version. All have “falling away” in their respective language.

          Feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly the state), (“apostasy”): – falling away, forsake.

          Strong’s Hebrew and Greek dictionary

          • Don

            646 apostasía (from 868 /aphístēmi, “leave, depart,” which is derived from 575 /apó, “away from” and 2476 /histémi, “stand”) – properly, departure (implying desertion)

            The first 5 bible translations translated apostisia as DEPART. (Geneva 1599 being one) What is the subject here ? The “Gathering together unto the Lord” Paul said dont fear that the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, first there must come a Departing (of the Church) THEN….THEN….That man of Sin will be revealed.

            Why would the Thessalonians be afraid of the Day of Christ (Lord) if Paul was teaching them we had to go through the Great Tribulation ? HELLO ? They feared they had MISSED the Gathering together unto Christ Jesus, and was in the Day of the Lord the Terrible day of the Lord, the Judgment of the Lord. Now do your diligence, look up the facts, and learn the truth.

            Just a fact sir. If you read the verses without bias it is evident what Paul is speaking about. The Departure of the Church.

    • Larry / vietnamvet1971

      I am not saying I am a know it all but I read it to be at the Mid Point of the Tribulation, If I am off / wrong some one please verify & correct me.

      • mom

        To Larry/vietnamvet1971; First, thank you for serving in the Armed Forces in Vietnam. You added, in this post, for anyone to verify and to correct you on your interpretation of end time events. No one can do that, my friend. All the naysayers to your comments, etc. are doing the same thing … giving an opinion. They cannot verify a thing anymore than i can or you can. NONE of us [humans] can, right? Your interpretations/thoughts/guesses are just as likely as theirs … they only “guess” and interpret, too.

  • Nina111

    Interesting…but I believe irrelevant to end-times events, please read or listen to audible book, “Islamic Antichrist” by Joel Richardson- or Youtube his teachings?

  • As Grant Jeffrey said “Satan has a counterfeit for everything”! He does, and you can be sure that he will provide a counterfeit of the Antichrist, before the real thing shows up!

    He isn’t stupid, and he knows that almost everyone has heard of the Antichrist. In order to make people accept the real Antichrist, he has to make them think the Antichrist has been dealt with!

    This is where the two Church-Age, biblically prophesied wars, come in; Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38-39. Satan can’t control when these wars occur, but he can lead people to incorrect interpretations of them!

    Accordingly, Satan will lead people to interpret these two wars as being the Tribulation itself, so that when they are over people will be expecting the millennial reign of Christ. Instead that will be the time when the real Antichrist shows up!

    I wrote about this in my ground-breaking book “The Spirit of Prophecy” and I regularly blog about it on

    Just go to my blog and search for “Gog Magog War” “Psalm 83 war” or “Rapture”.

    • “As Grant Jeffrey said “Satan has a counterfeit for everything”! He does, and you can be sure that he will provide a counterfeit of the Antichrist, before the real thing shows up!

      He isn’t stupid, and he knows that almost everyone has heard of the Antichrist. In order to make people accept the real Antichrist, he has to make them think the Antichrist has been dealt with!”

      That’s exactly what I said here before. First comes a false antichrist that make the world as bad as possible – we can already see that happening now – then later will appear the true antichrist, a man of peace that will turn back the whole world into a peaceful paradise. He will do false miracles, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect (Mat. 24:24). That’s when people will say “peace and security”…then “sudden destruction cometh upon them” (1 Th. 5:3): the rapture happens, then the most horrible part of the endtime…

  • Andre Horst Vollrath

    REVELATION 2 This does NOT repesent the SEAT OF SATAN, PERGOMON !!!! TURKEY IS WHERE ANTICHRIST RISES !!! TRUE DO NORTH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Don

      You do know and understand that Jesus was speaking about Satans Seat being the Temple of Zeus that resided in Pergamum at the time John saw the Revelation from Jesus right ? LOOK THIS UP…Baal the god the Canaanites served became Bel, the god the Babylonians served, then Belios (Zeus) a god the Greeks served then Rome served the same god (Jupiter). There was a Temple to Zeus in Pergamum, thus Jesus spoke of it as Satans Seat. IT IS NOT…….NOT Referring to where the Anti-Christ will be born. This lack of knowledge is killing us, we must know the facts.

  • Andre Horst Vollrath

    Michak and Tubal are in PERGOMON, That’s in TURKEY !!!!!! Antichrist rises from the GRECO NATIONS, ISLAM !!! He believes in the GOD OF WAR !!! DANIEL 8 and 11 !!

  • Ben Starchenko

    2 Thessalonians 2:1-3

    Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
    That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
    Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    Paul here is very clear that “let no man deceive you”…………….the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by OUR gathering together to him (Rapture)………will not happen till after the Man of Sin is revealed.

    Bible could not be clearer. Don’t be deceived, we will be around when the man of sin is revealed…………

    When is the man of sin revealed…….do a little study on the Olivet discourse for this, also Daniel will help.

    • Don

      646 apostasía (from 868 /aphístēmi, “leave, depart,” which is derived from 575 /apó, “away from” and 2476 /histémi, “stand”) – properly, departure (implying desertion)

      The first 5 bible translations translated apostisia as DEPART. (Geneva 1599 being one) What is the subject here ? The “Gathering together unto the Lord” Paul said dont fear that the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, first there must come a Departing (of the Church) THEN….THEN….That man of Sin will be revealed.

      Why would the Thessalonians be afraid of the Day of Christ (Lord) id Paul was teaching them we had to go through the Great Tribulation ? HELLO ? They feared they had MISSED the Gathering together unto Christ Jesus, and was in the Day of the Lord the Terrible day of the Lord, the Judgment of the Lord. Now do your diligence, look up the facts, and learn the truth.

      2 Thess. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that DAY (Day of the Lord) shall NOT COME, except there come a falling away( DEPARTURE OF THE CHURCH ) first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

      6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. (The Anti-Christ cant be revealed until the Gospel is preached unto all the world NOW TV made that happen) 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. ( The Holy Ghost will be taken out of his way, but the Holy Spirit will never leave us, God promised we would never be left nor forsaken. We are taken out of the Anti-Christ way, then he comes to power. )

      • G646
        Feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly the state), (“apostasy”): – falling away, forsake.

        Strong’s Hebrew and Greek dictionary

        “falling away” (KJV 1611)
        “falling away” (King James BRG 1769)
        “apostasie” (French Louis Segond)
        “apostasie” (French Darby Bible)
        “apostasia” (Italian Riveduta Luzzi)
        “apostasia” (Italian Nuova Riveduta)
        “murtad” (Indonesia terjemahan Baru)
        離道反教的事 (Chinese Union Version)
        離道叛教的事 (Jian Ming Sheng Jing Version)

        • Don

          1599 Geneva Bible. 2 Thess. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: [g]for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that [h]that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.

          The First 5 English translations had DEPART…I Could care less about modern translations, the word has been butchered by now, so all your points are NO POINT at all, my point is the first 5 translations had DEPART.

          Notice the word was apostisia which came from aphistema which means Leave/Depart, the word was not Apo which means away from.

          If you think we the Church goes through the Tribulation then that meas you are confused.

      • Ben Starchenko


        Thanks for your response, but please give me the opportunity to respond. I’ll try to do so point by point as you raised them.

        Apostasia – you were correct to note that “falling away” comes from this greek word. What you have failed to mention though, is that Apostasia is where we get our English term Apostasy from. It does not mean “Departure” as in taking away, it means “Departure from the Faith”, a common subject and warning in all of Paul’s letters. If it implies desertion, who is deserting who, does Jesus desert us at the Rapture? The rapture has all the exact opposite connotations to desertion.
        The Thessalonians were worried that Jesus had returned and taken the Church away, and they were left for the Day of the Lord, this you are correct. They were not afraid of the Great Tribulation, as this fear is not mentioned, just a dread of missing Christ’s return. Paul is encouraging them that “NO” the Day of Christ had not occurred. As mentioned in Verse one the Day of Christ is synonymous with also the gathering together to him. This is the context of his response “by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him”……… The Day of Christ = coming of our Lord Jesus and by our gathering together to him.
        As for the concern regarding Tribulation, or as you stated it the “Great Tribulation”. Please note the Bible does not use this phrase anywhere, it is a Term we have given to the 7 year period occurring in Daniel and Revelation. The closest match to this exact term is Jesus talking in the Olivet Discourse, but it is worth noting that Jesus also made it clear that we would have to suffer persecution, and specifically in the Olivet Discourse greater tribulation than any other time. Jesus never promises us relief from Tribulation, quite the contrary.
        If the Thessalonians are concerned that the Day of Christ has passed, and they missed the gathering of the Saints, Why would Paul then state that don’t worry, it can’t happen until first “The saints are gathered”, THEN the Anti-christ is revealed. This is absurd. In other words, the rapture hasn’t happened, because the first sign is the rapture happens. Then once the rapture happens look out for the Anti-Chirst. This is there very concern in the first place, that the rapture has occurred.
        Paul is clearly stating that the Day of Christ (not the Day of the Lord), the Day of the Lord is not mentioned anywhere in this text, will not occur until 2 conditions are fulfilled:

        A: First – the apostasy happens, the Church falling away from the Faith (which many believe we are currently in these times) AND
        B: AND Second – the Man of Sin be revealed. (not then as you mentioned)

        Using the text then the passage clearly is stating:

        Don’t be concerned that the Day of Christ and our gathering to him has not occured, Dont be deceived it cannot occur until the Apostasy of the Church occurs, and the Anti-Christ is revealed.

        As for verse 6 and your statement that “he who withholdeth” is the Holy Spirit, though this is commonly considered valid, it is not absolute. There are other possibilities for who the restrainer is.

        Love appreciate your response.

        • Don

          Hello my brother in Christ Jesus. Words have a way of changing over time, gay 50 years ago meant happy, we all know how that has changed. Since the word came to mean “Falling Away” from the faith, the word apostasy came to mean a departure from the faith. But that was not what the word meant as used in this verse. One problem with the Epistles were we only saw Paul’s responses to their letters, we never see the Thessalonians letters.

          Why would the True Church, or how could the True Church ever depart from the Faith ? The True Church can not depart from the Faith. That is not possible, and the world has always been of Satan, he is the god of this world. God is not worried about those who call themselves Christians but are not, he just says depart from me, for I never knew you. The Day of Christ (Christ is the Lord) and the Day of the Lord is the same.

          The Saints are Gathered Together (Raptured) then the Man of Sin is revealed (Comes to Power) The Church is the Body of Christ, she can not fall away, either you are true to Jesus and his servant, or you are not, there is no in between……1599 Geneva 2 Thess. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: [g]for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that [h]that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.

          Notice they use the word DISCLOSED , which means to MAKE KNOWN. The Church departs, Paul says later on, remember when I was with you I told you these things…Paul had already explained this to them in person, hence the brevity and limited scope of his explanation. I think this is very clear, when read with this in mind, nowhere does Paul infer an apostasy by the Church. In the last days the world will get more evil as he states in Romans chapter 1, but the True Church can not become evil, or they are not the true Body of Christ, hence why would Paul worry about those that are not children of Christ Jesus ?

          Forget everything you learned, look at the root word, and see that it means DEPART/LEAVE….Then reread the passages, and see which fits better. We do desert this Evil earth. We leave it. apo means AWAY, not apostisia it means Depart/Leave.

          God Bless.

          • Ben starchenko


            Im sorry, but this is just sloppy hermeneutics. Apostasia clearly means Apostasy, to Depart from the faith. Has nothing to do with departure of the church. Apostasia comes from the root word apostasies – which means divorce, repudiation, a bill of divorce. This is not talking about the Rapture.

            The word apostasia is also used in Acts 21:21 – And they informed of thee, that thou teaches all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake (apostasy) Moses…… in this context again is it about leaving the faith, it is not a good connotation

            As i stated, why tell the thessalonians that the sign to look for is the rapture, when they are worried the rapture has occurred. And as per my point again, it does not say gathered together AND THEN the man of sin, is says both have to happen. In fact, you are stating that the gathering together cannot occur, until the gathering together occurs. Read verse 1 “the gathering together”, it cannot occur and don’t be deceived until the falling away. They can’t be the same thing, its illogical.

            As for the true Church not departing from the faith, check the following verses from the Bible:


            Take particular note of how many verses use the particular phrase “falling away”, exact terminology as 2 Thessalonians 2.

            Couple of verses specifically about those within the Church falling away

            1 Timothy 4:1 – Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from (aphistemi) the faith , giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.
            Hebrew 3:12 – Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing (aphistemi) from the living God.
            Luke 8:13 – They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy,; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away (aphistemi)

            Aphistemi – Cause to withdraw, to excite to revolt, to go away, to desert, withdraw from one, to fall away, become faithless………you cannot “fall away” from the faith, unless you have it in the first place……

            Hebrews 6:4-6 – If they shall fall away (parapipto) to renew them again unto repentance…..

            Parapipto – to fall beside, to sli[ aside, to deviate from the right path, to error, to fall away from the true faith………..again someone who had but then lost.

            I understand you are asking me to look at the root word, the root word is “Apostasia” which means a falling away, defection, apostasy………Not being removed, or departing…..

            Acts 21:21 – And they are informed of thee, that thou teaches all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake (apostasia) Moses……does this mean that they should Rapture Moses, forsake is not something Jesus will do to his Church at the rapture……

            Again, love to hear your thoughts.

        • Don

          OK, There was no place to Reply on your below post for whatever reason, so I replied here to your last post to me. I am not a person that clings to scripture beyond all things if I am wrong. I knew there is a Pre Trib rapture, but your verses on Falling Away challenged me, so there had to be a solution to the riddle. I am not one when reproved who sticks to an errant thought whereas I went astray. BUT…I know there is a Rapture, because Revelation 19 can not be explained without Rapture. So study, study, study……And the answer to this supposed Riddle is easy…So now I challenge you to open your eyes to the scripture/facts. As per Rev. 19, once I lay that groundwork, most understand there is a Rapture, but as per the misunderstanding in 2 Thessalonians 2 here are the facts.

          Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him.

          This verse describes two distinct events: the Second Coming of Christ to Earth (“the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ”) which occurs in Revelation 19 and the Rapture (“our gathering together unto him”) which occurs before the Seals are Opened. The description of the two events is consistent with the dual nature of “Christ’s Coming” as described in prophetic Scripture. He comes in the clouds at the Rapture to receive His Bride, the Church and return to Heaven. And He returns on a white horse with His Holy Angels and all His saints for the battle of Armageddon at His Second Coming. This is dual nature is supported by various Scriptures:

          Two different world conditions (Matthew 24:37-42, Matthew 24:21).
          Two different approaches of Christ to the Earth ( 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, Revelation 19:11, 14-15, 21).
          Two different scenarios regarding the predictability of Christ’s return (Matthew 24:36, Daniel 12:11).
          Two very different descriptions of his return (Revelation 16:15, Matthew 24-26-27).

          The Day of Christ

          Continuing in the passage we get to the critical verses for understanding the timing of the revealing of the “MAN OF SIN”, or the Antichrist:

          That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, AS THAT DAY OF CHRIST is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for THAT DAY shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that “man of sin” be revealed, the son of perdition; –2 Thessalonians 2:2-3.

          Verse 2 is where much of the confusion arises. Many articles and commentaries skip over the phrase “THE DAY OF CHRIST IS AT HAND” and jump to the two signs given in verse 3 (the falling away in the church and the revealing of the Antichrist). However, this phrase cannot be overlooked. When Paul is giving the signs in verse 3 he is mentioning them with respect to the “DAY OF CHRIST.” The “DAY OF CHRIST” is a term for the Second Coming of Christ to Earth as described in Revelation 19. Even in the first chapter of 2 Thessalonians Paul described the Second Coming as “THAT DAY”:

          You see it now ? Paul says do not be Troubled, for THAT DAY shall not come (Day Of Christ/Second Coming) until there be a falling away and the Man of Sin be Revealed….Yes, the Rapture happens, a falling away also and/the Anti-Christ is Revealed then the Second Coming (Day of Christ). So this in no way prevents the Rapture from coming before the Man of Sin is Revealed. THIS ONLY SAYS, that the Man of Sin is Revealed before the Second Coming of Jesus, and since the Rapture and Second Coming are Two Different Events, this verse doesn’t mean that the Man of Sin has t be Revealed before the rapture.

          Amen, God Bless.

          • Don

            ADD ON….When interpreting the Bible, God instructs us that Scripture defines Scripture. Clearly Paul would not be rejoicing in the midst of the devastating end times judgments poured out during The Day of The Lord. Instead he is writing that he will rejoice at the Second Coming knowing that this moment, when Christ returns to Earth to establish His Kingdom, will make all of Paul’s work and labor in spreading the Gospel not be in vain. The Second Coming is the full glorification of Jesus Christ and His Church on Earth for all to see. Thus it will be a time of great rejoicing.

            By the context of the passage and other Scripture confirmations, the Day of Christ refers to the Second Coming. So when Paul is addressing the Thessalonians he is telling them not to be shaken or scared to think the Second Coming was “at hand” and thus they missed the Rapture and were in the middle of experiencing the Great Tribulation.

            For some reason, many have interpreted “that day” in verse 3 to mean the Rapture and wrongly teach: “So what Paul is saying is that the Rapture will not happen until the apostasy and the Antichrist is revealed.” But we can know from basic Scriptural interpretation and looking at the context of the verses that Paul is clearly talking about the “day of Christ”, just described in the prior verse.

  • Eric Sotelo

    So here’s a question..

    Why would the Anti-Christ be an atheist, if he declares himself God? LOL..

    Most atheist wouldn’t even think of proving the existence of God, even by declaring themselves a God. That would be counter productive.

    This doesn’t make any sense. Please use some common sense.. LOL

    • Don

      If you do not believe in God that dosnt mean a person ( an entity he understands himself to be ) can not claim to be a god. This is the age ole, man is his own god theory.

  • carson

    the anti-christ will be empowered by the dragon, rev 13:4-5. The dragon=satan, rev 20:2. The AC empowered by satan also shows in daniel 8:24, mighty power but not by his own power..and back to it’s the dragon/satan who empowers him.

    So will whoever the AC turns out to be be completely his own? An example, was judas Iscariot at all moments completely his own? Judas did bad and was not a believer yet at the specific time satan entered him, john 13:27 luke 22….was he then completely his own? Also what is 2nd timothy 2:26..those ensnared taken captive at the devils will? Taken captive at the devils will, are they always completely their own or are they snared at whatever degree at whatever times to do at the devils will?
    Other verses to look at but looking today at what will be tomorrows fulfillment of a man of sin/anti-christ might miss the whole picture on everything else that’s involved with it.
    We can’t say..he’s an atheist today so will never ever never declare himself to be ‘god’ when whoever is apart from Christ might and in whatever degree does suffer the snares of the devil at any time as an example.
    We won’t know who’s who til whoever it is seats himself and declares he’s God but studying the scriptures on the whole deal is good.

    Much of that also reflects on 2nd thessalonains 2:10-12 and as a warning to any who are without Christ..think to stand in our own power? by ourselves in ourselves we are strong enough to resist the devil AND stand against the strong delusion that God Himself sends? Wrong! Only in Christ one stands, His strength His wisdom His righteousness and more, be saved today, no man knows his tomorrow.
    Rev 13:8, rev 20:15, matthew 12:30, 1st john 5:12…only in Christ is there life.

  • sooz22

    I re-read the article, but no mention of BHO being named as a potential anti-christ. Did I miss something? Somebody please clarify for me.

    I do remember reading something a while back (sorry, I’ve lost cite material) about this new leader from Greece as a potential AC candidate. bho is nothing but a dangerous putz.

  • MG

    Hate to disagree with the writer here…but a lot of people, of political nature in the past 10 years have literally popped up out of nowhere and seated in a high position. However, the club of Rome and that ominous chair at the UN numbered 666 has not been filled. The man who sits in that chair, that will be THE antichrist. It says here in this article that this Greek leader is an atheist, well….the antichrist is not- he knows who God is. He knows there is God…the Word of God states that even the devils know there is God and believe and tremble. Look into that numbered chair writer 🙂

    • Faithfirst

      I am unfamiliar with the “chair at the UN numbered 666”. Could you please provide me with more information? This is rather compelling. Also,I just want to commend the saints here for obvious bible study and pursuit of understanding and discernment on these important topics. While we may not all agree in entirety, all have provided valuable information to consider on this matter.

  • “Benjamin Netanyahu And Alexis Tsipras Form Alliance Yesterday”

    “Oh No! Not another agreement with Israel! I am sure that when the antichrist will sign the true agreement with Israel, nobody will pay attention to it!”

    That’s the exclamation somebody from another pretrib website said a few years ago, at the time another agreement was aigned! The devil is making all he can do to sow confusion so that nobody can understand when and what is happening in the endtime…

  • Scross

    The Antichrist may also turnout to be a female.

    • SammiD

      I’m not so sure about that. The scriptures always refer to the anti-christ as “he”!

  • SooSoo

    The Antichrist only has one eye. He’s not coming yet because he’s not ready and we are not ready for him. You think this is tribulation. This is only the begining.

  • tiptopsaidhe

    “Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. – 2 Th. 2:1-4”

    This speaks of Annas, the high priest. Now that you know that, read it again. Luke describes the 7 sons of Sceva in Acts. He is describing Annas and his sons, son-in-law (Caiaphas), and grandsons (7 in total) that all held the position of high priest and persecuted the Way all throughout the book of Acts. Josephus in his telling of the Jewish-Roman war, says that Annas died in the 6th month of 66AD, at the beginning of the war with the Romans.

    A fascinating prophecy came from Balaam, all the way back in Numbers:

    Num 24:24 And ships shall come from the coast of Chittim, and shall afflict Asshur, and shall afflict Eber, and he also shall perish for ever.

    “Both Greece and Italy lie much upon the sea, and therefore their armies were sent forth mostly in ships. Now he seems here to foretell, (2.) That the forces of the Grecians should humble and bring down the Assyrians, who were united with the Persians, which was fulfilled when the eastern country was overcome, or overrun rather, by Alexander. (2.) That theirs and the Roman forces should afflict the Hebrews, or Jews, who were called the children of Eber; this was fulfilled in part when the Grecian empire was oppressive to the Jewish nation, but chiefly when the Roman empire ruined it and put a period to it. But, (3.) That Chittim, that is, the Roman empire, in which the Grecian was at length swallowed up, should itself perish for ever, when the stone cut out of the mountain without hands shall consume all these kingdoms, and particularly the feet of iron and clay, Dan_2:34. Thus (says Dr. Lightfoot) Balaam, instead of cursing the church, curses Amalek the first, and Rome the last, enemy of the church.”

    “1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

    Anti-christ is a spirit, and it is in all people who don’t confess God’s plan of redemption through the sacrifice of Himself in the body of Christ.

  • Kevin

    He could be a Muslim. In Daniel’s vision of the statue, the last empire is the legs. Rome had a western leg, more European, but also had an eastern leg centered in Istanbul, Turkey. The previous empires were also centered in Istanbul.
    The Antichrist will not regard the god of his fathers, Muslims say their patriarchs are Abraham, Issac and Ishmael. The God of the first two is Jehovah God. He will seek to change laws, as does Sharia law. He will have no regard for women, under Sharia Muslim men have no regard for women. There are other things where a Muslim could fit the bill.

  • I think we are in the beginning of the end of the end now There are too many things all at once happening now.

    • MRH

      Nope. The end begins at Christs return 😉

      1Co 15:23 KJV – But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
      1Co 15:24 KJV – Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

      P.S. The resurrection prevails at Christs return also 🙂

  • Pastor Bittle

    Obama is definitely not the antichrist! He does not meet biblical criteria! However I believe he is a fore runner of the antichrist and no doubt he is a false prophet and espouser of evil!

  • Guest

    Hello there! Have any of you guys considered that the Anti – Christ could be a Clone, Satan hates humans more than any of us could ever imagine and maybe the AC is called the Beast because he isn’t a human DNA but demonic. I can’t ever see Lucifer ever having to share with human, the Holy Trinity and Unholy trinity are non-humans. Some folks think the AC is Nephilim but I don’t think that, he will be Lucifer ‘son’ in his own image.

  • Guest

    Hello there!

    Have you guys considered that the Anti-Christ could be clone of Satan? I can’t see Lucifer ever sharing with a non-human, he hates humans more than anyone could ever imagine. Maybe the AC is called the Beast because the DNA is demonic and not human.The Holy Trinity non human and I’m guessing the Unholy trinity will be non human and made of evil angelic/demon like Satan is.
    Wendy Alec suggests this, maybe worth thinking of this rather than some random politician, saying that through he probably does come from Europe and many will worship him and he will be all about Lucifer worship, after all Satan wants us all in his kingdom and then to be with him in the Lake of Fire. Maybe those Left Behind will even get to see all 3 of them, seeing Satan gets thrown down to the Earth and his rage will be unimaginable and the worst time in the whole of human history.

    • carson

      Hi Guest, some notes, satan entered judas iscariot (luke 22, john 13) (to your idea that satan hates so much humans he’d never use/enter a human).
      The devil has long empowered humans to rise and be held by other humans as ‘god’ and etc, all of that is an indirect worship of the devil isn’t it? But yeah he wants direct worship and rev 13:4 shows people will worship the dragon directly..aswell as the beast

      The anti-christ does have an image made of himself (rev 13:14-15), this image is made by men of the earth, obviously not joe in his garage with his 32 piece socket set lol but men of tech/science. (to the thoughts on him being a clone etc etc, his IMAGE is and is made by humans, but not empowered by humans-interesting, the FP has power to give life to the where does the FP get his power? Anything like where the anti-christ himself gets his power? Rev 13:4-5, the dragon empowers the anti-christ, daniel 8:24, his power is mighty -but not by his own power!. So no doubt the FP is empowered by the dragon aswell, and the dragon-rev 20:2=is satan)

      The AC is possessed by the angel from the bottomless pit, rev 9:1-11, rev 17:8, rev 12 and others. The devil is cast down from heaven whereas the angel of the pit comes up from the pit, and saying the AC is possessed by that angel from the pit and not the devil himself also proves out in rev 19:20 through rev 20:3, the beast is thrown into the fire, the dragon is chained up..2 differing judgements and shows the fate of the beast vs the fate of the dragon at THAT time (eventually all apart from Christ end up in the lake of fire but the beast and FP go their first). It’s a bit splitting hairs, the AC possessed by what might be devils chiefest angel may as well be possessed by the devil himself but it does help to dig into the verses to clarify as some clarity is needed for other studies.

  • Sorry I should clarify, by all 3, I meant. The Unholy trinity of Satan, Anti-Christ and the False Prophet, I don’t believe the Pope is the FP but I could be wrong…many folks here at NTEB certainly thinks the Pope is the False Prophet.
    Time will tell, but we are closer the the end of the age than never before. We should put differences of opinion aside and concentrate on building the Kingdom of God. I don’t know how many years of freedom there is left for Believers in Jesus Christ but there are evil plans underway to silence you in the future…so make the most of the time where you can spread the Gospel…I never used to take any attention of conspiracies but it turns out there are true ones out there, the Powers that Be hate the true Church, apart from NTEB take a look at Rapture Ready and a few others. There is increased persecution of Christians everywhere and we should all be praying for Brothers and Sisters that are being tortured right now for their belief in Jesus Christ.
    God bless you and hope I haven’t offended any of you. Look at they have some good articles also.
    I think NTEB is great, very informative and good to hear what news is happening
    Excellent website Geoffery Grider!

  • Guest

    Hello Carson thanks for your wisdom, you are quite correct Satan does indeed use humans for evil, such as Hitler and Stalin and too many others to mention, I guess I was confused, I mean some in the church members think the AC is son of human woman and Lucifer which I don’t think so, sorry…yes I need to read the Scriptures more thoroughly. It is scary to think that the Anti Christ is already here on the Earth waiting to make appearance, sometimes the Christian faith and reality sounds like Science Fiction, and it can be hard to believe what is exactly going on.
    I guess you guys have been believers for years, so bare with us who are new to the Faith. God bless you.

    • carson

      Hi Guest..yeah maybe some people think of what they’ve seen in hollywood movies when they think of the AC, they do the same when they think of economic collapse and many other things afterall, they think that since we aren’t seeing zombies walking around that everything is doing fine..LOL.
      Yeah it’s amazing everyday how answers to what you’d wonder about are found right there in the bible/God’s word :))


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