Is Pope Francis Preparing To Declare The ‘Virgin’ Mary To Be 4th Part Of The Trinity?

If you're a Catholic Francis says that " today we can go forward with a hope: the hope that our Mother Mary, steadfast at the Cross, and our...
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Francis says that our hope is not Jesus, but Mary and Mother Church

“The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.” Jeremiah 7:18

Even though they lie and say that they are only “venerating” her, the Roman Catholic Church has since the middle 1800’s worshipped Mary from the New Testament. They create idols of her, call her the Queen of Heaven, ascribe all sorts of miracles to her statues and bow down to her in worship. As someone who was raised in the Catholic Church and trained by Jesuits, I can testify that this 100% true. But Pope Francis this past weekend took Mary worship, a sin, to staggering new heights.

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The Truth About The Roman Catholic Church

Francis, speaking to mark the occasion of the Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows in Casa Santa Marta, said the following:

“And this is our hope. We are not orphans, we have Mothers: Mother Mary. But the Church is Mother and the Mother Church is anointed when it takes the same path of Jesus and Mary: the path of obedience, the path of suffering, and when she has that attitude of continually learning the path of the Lord. These two women – Mary and the Church – carry on the hope that is Christ, they give us Christ, they bring forth Christ in us. Without Mary, there would be no Jesus Christ; without the Church, we cannot go forward“.

Jesus has been demoted to third place behind ‘mother’ Mary and the ‘Holy Mother Church’, the Roman Catholic Church. The bible says, however that the “blessed hope” of the Christian is “the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.” Scripture never mentions Mary one time as being the hope of anyone or anything. But if you’re a Catholic Francis says that “ today we can go forward with a hope: the hope that our Mother Mary, steadfast at the Cross, and our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church, give us.

The position and title that Pope Francis has bestowed on Mary is, by his own words, equal or greater than that of the 2nd part of the Trinity, Jesus Christ. And though he has yet to use the words, he has effectually already placed her status firmly at the Godhead level.

Interesting thing, in the book of Revelation and speaking of the Roman Catholic Church, the apostle John writes this about that ‘holy mother church’:

“And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.”Revelation 17:4-6

And that’s what God thinks of the “holy Roman Mother Church”.

Mary did not stay as a virgin, she had a bunch of children with Joseph:

“And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands? Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.” Mark 6:2,3

It’s because of scriptures like these that the Roman Catholic Church doesn’t want you to read and interpret the bible for yourself.

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  • Trish Kidwell

    Sad that so many are ao deceived.

    • WHY?

      ARE YOU ONE OF THEM?

      TO ANSWER YOU QUESTION AND YOUR CONCERN, YOU HAVE TO “BRING YOUSELF” BACK IN TIME BY READING HOLY SCRIPTURES – KJB OR NEW AMERICAN BIBLE “CATHOLIC” EDITION.

      WE CANNOT ALTER THE FACTS ON THE HOLY BOOK – WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THEM AND GET INSPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. WITH YOUR DAILY DEVOTION TO THE BLESSED MOTHER, SHE WILL “FILL” YOU WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT – AND YOUR DAYS WILL BE ALL “PLEASING TO OUR LORD AND SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST” – FOR IF WE WANT TO GET CLOSER TO OUR LORD, WE FIRST SHOULD GET CLOSER TO HER MOTHER “MOTHER, BEHOLD THY SON. SON, BEHOLD THY MOTHER” ONE OF THE 7 LAST WORDS OF JESUS SPOKEN FROM THE HOLY CROSS.

      • Shegrid John

        Jesus Christ is the baptizer of the Holy Ghost not Mary.

        • raquel

          How would our beautiful mother respond to such blasphemy! She asks us to pray pray pray for these poor souls that will be enlightened. She is and will always be the Mother Of Christ!! The weapon of mass destruction against EVIL is the Holy Rosary!!

      • Shegrid John

        Jesus Christ is the ONLY mediator between mankind and God,
        1 Timothy 2:5
        “For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus” (for emphasis)
        why go to Mary when we can directly go to our Lord Jesus on the throne of His grace?
        Hebrews 4:16
        “Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.” (for emphasis)

      • Rad Rad Robot

        You’re all so silly. See, this is why you can’t worship three gods, it’s just too easy to increase the number to four.

        שמא ישראל אדני אלהינו אדני אהד

        • Bible Reader

          As a Hebrew speaker from Israel, let me first correct you (Deuteronomy 6:4):

          שמע ישראל יהוה אלוהינו יהוה אחד

          The word “אחד” is one, in the sense of unity. This can be verified with any Hebrew dictionary (Strong’s dictionary supports that). Here are a few examples:

          “and all the people answered with one voice” (Exodus 24:3 KJV)
          “And all the people arose as one man” (Judges 20:8 KJV)
          “… and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand” (Ezekiel 37:19 KJV)

          The name of God in Hebrew “Elohim” is in plural and means “those who have power”.

          The name of God in Hebrew “Adonai” is in plural and means “my Lords”.

          God speaks in plural (also in the Hebrew source, and I read the Bible in Hebrew) to express the fact that He is three that are one:

          “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness” (Gen 1:26 KJV)

          “Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language” (Genesis 11:7 NASB)

          The three persons of God appear explicitly in a few places in the Bible. Here is one example:

          “The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;” (Isaiah 61:1 KJV)

          Here the Messiah says: God has anointed me with His Spirit. Here are all three of them: God, The Spirit of God and the Messiah.

          Pay attention that opening the prison of them that are bound is a distinctive mark of God (and therefore it is not Isaiah speaking about himself as some claim):

          “The LORD looseth the prisoners” (Psalm 146:7 KJV)

          Who is he then who says “God has anointed me to do the things only God can do”?

          It is the Messiah, The Son of God who is one with God!

          Here are selected verses from Psalm 2 speaking about the Messiah being the Son of God:

          “The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed

          Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
          I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.”

          Hope this was helpful.
          God bless you.

          • Rad Rad Robot

            Thanks for the blessings, you as well.
            The passages which refer to the messiah are mistaken. “You are my son” refers to king david. Remember that the term is often used to refer to Israel. http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13912-son-of-god

          • Rad Rad Robot

            Also, the plural pronouns are akin to the royal we. They aren’t literal.

        • Mosaic

          The pope says, ” Without Mary, there would be no Jesus Christ; without the Church, we cannot go forward“. the Bible in so many scriptures tend to say, ” Without Jesus Christ, there would be no Mary; without Christ there is no the Church, without Christ, we cannot go forward“. Mary is not, will never be part of Godhead. She will be the very first person to deny this position. Let the Pope be a student of the Scriptures first so that he will share truth with humanity.

          • sarah

            Amen

      • rkoen

        How foolish you are. Christ expressly says the only way to the Father is through Him. What difference does Mary make? Christ repeatedly told her to go away because he had business to do. Brother Elly Gumbra you are caught in a wicked deviation from the Word, and trying to pull everyone else here into your devilish pit of deception. You temper the Trinity, well supported in hundreds of verses in the Bible, to try to make it a Quad-something. Turn away from your wickedness and find truth in the Scripture.

      • Sooz22

        “Catholic Edition” – obviously biased – that tells it all.

      • osasa aukuso

        Acts 4:10 – 12. ..that by the name of JESUS CHRIST of Nazareth whom you crucified, whom God raised him from the dead… This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders which is become the head of the Corner.
        Neither is there Salvation in any other, for there is none other name (not even Mary or Pope)under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.(KJV)
        The Bible IS VERY clear. without Christ there is no salvation, without Jesus who died for the sin of the world and rose from the dead there is no hope for the human race.
        to the Catholics with love.

    • Carol

      1 John 5;7 says, For there are –THREE (3) that bear record in Heaven, the FATHER( GOD), the Word- (JESUS) , and the HOLY GHOST– this is the TRINITY !!!!. Mary is NOT MENTIONED IN 1 John 5:7 — so therefore ,Mary is not Part of the TRINITY! AMEN, TRUTH IS LIFE HIS NAME IS JESUS CHRIST!!!!!! HE REGINS in POWER!!!! 🙂

      • Christopher

        1 John 5:7 is recognised as spurious and is not included in modern translations. The trinity was introduced towards the end of 3rd century and is not scriptural. the Holy Spirit is the power from God not another person.

        • Sooz22

          All of the scriptures are either completely true or completely false. Who are we as “humans” to pick and choose to our liking which words or passages we deem true or false? We have to make up our own minds.

          I personally choose to believe every word in the Bible. God does not lie, and we have everything to gain and nothing to lose by believing in Biblical truth. We have much to lose if we turn our backs on God’s truth.

    • Nestor

      The writer of this article says that “The position and title that Pope Francis has bestowed on Mary is, by his own words, equal or greater than that of the 2nd part of the Trinity, Jesus Christ.” Now, it is heresy to say that Jesus is the 2nd part of the Blessed Trinity. God Is One God, and since He is pure spirit, He cannot be divided. God Is Trinity in persons but One in essence. God is Three Persons in One God. Jesus is the 2nd person of The Trinity. God has no parts. Jesus is One Person with two natures, human nature and a divine nature. Jesus Christ is not two persons but one person. Mary gave birth to Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is God. Therefore, Mary is The Mother of God. She is Mother of God The Son. She is not mother of God The Father, nor is she mother of God The Holy Spirit. She is not mother of The Blessed Trinity. She is not the generator of God. That would be intolerable heresy. But, she is Mother of God The Son. As Jesus, The Son of God, God made man, came to us, to the world through Mary, it is right to say that without Mary The Son of God would not take on flesh nor be named Jesus. Now this is correct conditionally speaking, not absolutely speaking, hypothetically, because it is True on the condition that it was God’s Will that Jesus come to us Through Mary. We know it was God’s Will for it to happen Thus since it was prophesied and fulfilled in this manner. But, if God Willed something different, hypothetically speaking, that Jesus come out of heaven from thin air and not from a woman, than absolutely speaking it would be false, hypothetically. But, since it actually happened that Jesus came to us through a woman, then it is absolutely correct to say that without Mary we would not have the Son of God become man as in Jesus Christ, the messiah. Mary Is The True Living Ark of The Covenant. Now, that is why I believe that The Catholic Church should not have abandoned scholastic, Thomistic terms and language in the 1960s, because this has been the way of human reasoning to understand articles of Faith since the beginning, for it is able to make good logical distinctions as these. SInce God made men logical and rational we should use proper logical terms and proper logical methods, as St. Paul says, That “The invisible things of God can be known by the visible world of nature around us.” because we use our reason and logic to know that God exists by the world God gave us. These are simple natural things all men can know about God, that He Is One and He Is Creator. But, to know that God is Trinity and That The Son of God, Jesus is our redeemer etc. can only be known by revelation. These articles of Faith given by God to The Church can only be understood if we have a mind, in other words reason and logic. As The Father came to us through Christ Jesus we can only go to The Father By Christ Jesus. And, since Jesus came to us through the Blessed Virgin Mary, We can only go to Jesus through Mary. Just as the Israelites received God and went to God through the ark of the covenant, so we can only go to God and God to us through The True and Living Ark, tabernacle, of The New Covenant, and that is Mary. No man has ever been saved nor received one grace without the intercession of Mary. Although I am a Traditionalist Catholic and disagree big time with many things said and written and the changes since the 1960’s of Vatican II and I disagree big time most of all, with many of the methods and words of Pope Francis, I must declare The Truth. That no one can be saved Outside of The Catholic Church. He who says otherwise, let him be anathema.

      • GANNE

        WHAT ????? NO ONE CAN BE SAVED OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH????. THE CHURCH THAT IS CALLED THE HARLOT IN REVELATION!!! I TAKE MY CHANCES ON WHAT JESUS SAID. JESUS SAID YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. CHECK YOUR BIBLE AND FIND WHERE MARY TOO HAD TO WAIT IN THE UPPER ROOM FOR THE PROMISE AND BE FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST (BORN AGAIN !) JUST LIKE THE REST OF US. I AM SO SORRY FOR THE MANY THAT HAVE BEEN DECEIVED. JESUS IS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE…. NOT A WAY OR A TRUTH BUT THE WAY AND THE TRUTH. THE WORDS OF POPE FRANCIS ARE MEANINGLESS…AS IF HE IS A POPE AFTER THE LINE OF PETER, AS CATHOLICISM CLAIMS, WHY HAS NOT THE MESSAGE OF PETER FROM THE DAY OF PENTECOST BEEN OBEYED AND FOLLOWED DOWN THROUGH THE AGES ????? PETER WAS GIVEN THE KEYS TO THE KINGDOM BY JESUS. MY PRAYER IS LORD JESUS, OPEN THE EYES OF THE BLIND AND GIVE UNTO THEM THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM AND REVELATION THAT THEY MIGHT KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH WILL MAKE THEM FREE.
        AS A FORMER CATHOLIC… I READ MY BIBLE AND STUDIED THE SCRIPTURES. THERE IS NO OTHER GOSPEL….

    • THE HOLY SPIRIT IS “ALWAYS” WITH THE BLESSED MOTHER:
      1. “BEHOLD, THE HANDMAID OF THE LORD” AND SHE RESPONDS “BE IT DONE, ACCORDING TO THEY WORD. (THE ANNUNCIATION OF ANGEL GABRIEL)
      2. “WOMAN, MY TIME HAS NOT YET COME” AND SHE TOLD THE WAITERS “DO WHAT MY SON COMMANDS YOU TO DO” (THE WEDDING AT CANA)
      3. “MOTHER, BEHOLD THY SON. SON, BEHOLD THY MOTHER”. (7 LAST WORDS OF JESUS)

      LET US NOT OFFEND OUR BLESSED MOTHER, BUT ACCEPT HER AS SHE IS THE MOTHER OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST – ALSO OUR MOTHER, AS JESUS REVEALED TO US. AMEN.

      • Shegrid John

        How can you say that the Holy Ghost is always with Mary even when in the times of THE ANNUNCIATION OF ANGEL GABRIEL, THE WEDDING AT CANA, and 7 LAST WORDS OF JESUS when in fact the Holy Ghost is not given until Jesus is glorified?

        John 7:39
        By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

        Look, how does Roman Catholic Church done to you? Because of this, you gone astray from the truth.

        1 Timothy 4:16
        Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.

        • The Holy Spirit hadn’t been given until Jesus is glorified? Matthew 1,v. 18-“When his mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, but before they lived together, she was found with child through the holy Spirit.”
          Luke, 1 v. 35 “and the angel said to her in reply, “The holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefor the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.”
          Perhaps some of you “lucky” ex-Catholics who managed to get away just weren’t catechized correctly or sufficiently. If you attend Mass regularly and with sufficient attention, within 3 years time you have pretty well experienced the entire bible through the celebration of the Mass. And, if you had been sufficiently catechized, you would also realize that the Church definitely does understand Jesus’ sacrifice on the cros.

          • Shegrid John

            So do you oppose John 7:39?
            I do not oppose the verses you presented, but before Jesus was glorified, the Holy Spirit comes when and only when there is revelation that needs to be revealed that must come to pass as what Matthew 1,v. 18 says. And the Holy Spirit came to Mary only when Jesus has to be conceived in her as what Luke, 1 v. 35 says.

            But saying that the Holy Ghost IS ALWAYS with Mary BEFORE JESUS WAS GLORIFIED as what BROTHER ELLY GUMERA says, I don’t think so. And he supported it with THREE(3) VERSES ON A LIST THAT ARE WEAK TO SUPPORT HIS CLAIMS WHICH DIDN’T TELL THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS UPON HER THAT TIME WHICH ARE THE FF.:

            1. “BEHOLD, THE HANDMAID OF THE LORD” AND SHE RESPONDS “BE IT DONE, ACCORDING TO THEY WORD. (THE ANNUNCIATION OF ANGEL GABRIEL)
            2. “WOMAN, MY TIME HAS NOT YET COME” AND SHE TOLD THE WAITERS “DO WHAT MY SON COMMANDS YOU TO DO” (THE WEDDING AT CANA)
            3. “MOTHER, BEHOLD THY SON. SON, BEHOLD THY MOTHER”. (7 LAST WORDS OF JESUS)

            So sister Linda, whom do you believed the Word of God or the word of BROTHER ELLY GUMERA?

        • Donna

          “By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.”

          Not true. See what Luke writes:

          Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born.

          • Shegrid John

            Donna, of course John the baptist needed the Holy Spirit because he is going to prepare the way for the Lord. He cannot do it in his own strength. The Holy Spirit is given to the people who has given a special assignment. But I think, Mary is the subject here not John.

          • Paula

            The Holy Spirit is given to us at the time of our conversion.

          • Shegrid John

            When you said that the word of the Lord is not true, then you are opposing the following verse:
            Proverbs 30:5.
            Every word of God is flawless;

          • Shegrid John

            And by this, you make God a liar.

          • Shegrid John

            The words of the Popes, that which are not true. Pushing Mary as member of Godhead.

          • Donna

            Shegrid John,
            You wrote: “of course John the baptist needed the Holy Spirit because he is going to prepare the way for the Lord. He cannot do it in his own strength. The Holy Spirit is given to the people who has given a special assignment.”

            Was not Mary given a special assignment? Doesn’t she need the Holy spirit because she is going to carry the Lord in her body? Was she supposed to do this in her own strength?

            If things like manna and a branch required a vessel that was covered in only pure materials and death came to those who touched it improperly (the ark of the covenant), don’t you think the “vessel” carrying Our Lord needed to be at least as pure if not more so?

            You are putting God in a box. There are scriptures to support that God gave the Holy Spirit to individuals – even from before they are born (John the Baptist). Scriptures tell us that the angel addressed Mary as “Full of Grace”. God can do anything, and He prepared a vessel of the highest degree in order to carry Himself.

      • STL

        Brother Elly: Believers in Jesus Christ that recieved Salvation, that died a natural death or a persecution death are in heaven, all believers recieve the Holy Spirit, when they recieve Salvation. As Mary did also recieved Salvation.

      • jazzy

        bro elly
        mary says” my soul proclaims the greatness of the LORD and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior….”

        mary herself admits she needs Gods Salvation. she was a woman who needed a savior just like you and me. she was not born without sin or assumed up to heaven, those are myths declared over time to be truths. but declaring something to be Truth does not make it so.

        Jesus did not elevate mary, the apostles did not elevate mary, teach prayers to mary or include venerating her in any form. it is the roman church that created this, it never was a part of following the Christ or his salvation.

        did paul say to pray to mary? did peter? did john or james, polycarp, clement teach followers of Christ this thing? search the scriptures—-no, it was added in much later. tis a ‘tradition of man’ created by the roman church over time.

        you are adhering to a ‘tradition of men’ instead of worshiping Christ.

        Jesus says: Come to ME, all who call on ME shall be saved, no one comes to the Father but by ME, I AM the way, the truth the life—nope nothing about calling on mary there, is there? or did Jesus goof up?

        in all the 3+ years of Jesus ministry did he ever once draw mary next to his side, present her to the crowds or apostles and tell them to listen to her, pray to her, honor her, bow down to her?

        did Jesus ever tell the people that mary would assist them into heaven? that she would be appearing in the skies in the latter centuries and be speaking on his behalf and would save them from his anger if they built her churches or chapels or prayed to her, offered themselves to her?

        i dont care of a saint or a pope or a church says this..did JESUS ever say it or the apostles ever teach it? if not, then it is not true, its made up, its a myth.

        you can not worship both, you cannot serve Christ and the spiritual entity posing as mary. this entity will not bring you to Jesus, will not help you get to heaven, it is lying.

        it is a beautiful, romantic, sentimental deadly lie.

        you cannot serve 2 masters. you must chose, Christ or the spiritual entity claiming to represent him. this mary thing is not the real mary. an entity shows up and wows people with the supernatural, claiming to be mary and that Jesus sent her…….and we are supposed to believe it? where is spiritual discernment? are we not supposed to be bereans and search the scriptures to see if something is real?

        it does not matter what a church says or what its traditions, myths or legends are or what a pope says or does……you must choose who you serve, who you give your heart, life and allegiance to. when you turn to this mary thing you are turning away from Christ.

        we are warned repeatedly by the Lord of false miracles and great deceptions—this entity posing as mary and promoted by the roman church is a spiritual distraction and deception. there is no evidence in the scriptures of either Jesus or the apostles wanting us to follow, honor or worship or pray to mary.

        mary cannot help or save us, the church cannot save us, religion cannot save us, it is Christ and Christ alone. we need no other.

        its when we have the courage to turn away from the trappings of religion that we truly enter into Christ.

        • Suzen Ibraheem

          The PRESENCE of the Holy Spirit was and is and will be everywhere always, but, was OFFICIALLY sent to this world on the Day of Pentecost… as our Advocate, Comforter, Teacher, Guide, etc., as per the LORD’s Word, “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;” (John 14:16)

      • Jill Skriver

        Mary was Jesus’ mother, and had a few speaking lines at the start of Jesus ministry, yet the Catholic church has fully perverted this and even twisted scripture giving her perpetual virginity.Rosary beads are created so “Mother Mary” prayers can be said. What a cult.

      • Renee

        We cannot offend Mary because she can’t hear you. She is not God.

        Mary did NOT hang on the cross.

        Mary did NOT take the sins of the world upon herself. Only Jesus, because it all about Jesus.

        • Liya Addis

          No religion believes that Virgin Mary is God but what makes her special than any creation is the fact that her son is God, and to see Virgin Mary as just any woman and not to give her the proper respect that she deserves is an offend to Jesus, because he chose her form all woman to be his mom. And to say Virgin Mary don’t hear us is an offend to God; because her son is the creator of body and soul, it is like saying he don’t even care about his mother. But the truth is Jesus with his power assumed Virgin Mary body and soul into heavenly glory following her death . she hears our prayers and pray for us sinners to her beloved son Jesus, and since he respect his mom through her prayers he forgive us sinners.

    • DEAR BROTHER REX,

      IT WAS YOUR CHOICE TO GET OUT OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH . . . NOT THE LORD’s.

      FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, IS THE “MOTHER” OF ALL CHURCHES – JUST LIKE MARY, OUR MOTHER (NOT OUR CHOICE, BUT THE LORD’s: “MOTHER, BEHOLD THY SON. SON, BEHOLD THY MOTHER”).

      JESUS, IS OUR GOOD SHEPHERD, WE HEAR HIS VOICE. LEAVING THE CATHOLIC FAITH, I AM NOT SURE . . .

      • Only Jesus + nothing, is what brings us to our Father God in heaven. Jesus is the way the truth and the life no one comes to the Father but by Him. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believes in Him should not parish, but have ever lasting life. Mary’s name is not brought up at all. Also it says in Gods word we are not to call any man father upon this earth: for one is our Father, which is in heaven. I hope and pray that all eyes will be opened to the truth of Gods word. In Jesus

        • Tracy

          @Patricia,
          Well said!! Jesus is the only way; there is NO other way. He paid our sin-debt when He was nailed to the cross; we need to believe and receive His free gift. We are saved by grace through true repentance and faith in Him. (Jesus Chris our Lord)!!!
          So many good people, please, everyone, wake up.

          • Rad Rad Robot

            14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

            18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

            25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

            26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

            James 2:14-2:16

          • Ted Lindblad III

            Rad… if you understood your Bible rightly divided you would realize that James is not speaking to the church today, but to the Jewish believers waiting and hoping for God’s Kingdom come to earth.

            James 1:1… “James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, TO THE TWELVE TRIBES WHICH ARE SCATTERED ABROAD, greeting.”

            Let the words say what they mean and mean what they say.

          • Rad Rad Robot

            I should hope so, no self-proclaimed Jew would see any justice in “grace” through faith alone. We have a task on Earth and that is repairing the world to usher in the peace of the Messiah. Life is not preparation for death. I think the Torah is ambiguous about the World to Come because it doesn’t want people to live for death. Living for death caused the Dark Ages of Christianity and today’s Jihads of Islam.

          • Ted Lindblad III

            Rad writes… “no self-proclaimed Jew would see any justice in “grace” through faith alone.”

            Not quite, but close. God has always blessed mans faith in what He says, with grace. Read carefully Romans 4. Both Abraham and David were blessed with grace by their faith in what God said to them.

            After the death of Christ something changed however. Since Israel failed to see her Messiah, God put them aside as His peculiar people and offered free grace to the entire world by way of faith in the death of His Son. This is what Paul told them, this is the essence of the mystery kept secret since the world began (Rom 16:25). This is why they wanted to kill Paul all throughout the second half of Acts. God’s blessing to Gentiles was always supposed to come THROUGH Israel and here was Paul telling them that the Gentiles will receive God’s blessing without them. They were really pissed! They really loved their religion and the control it gave them over the people.

            “We have a task on Earth and that is repairing the world to usher in the peace of the Messiah.”

            This thought process has led and will lead to more death and more wars between humans than any other lie we have accepted throughout time.

            We have no such task, as if the Creator God requires our help in establishing His Kingdom on earth or in Heaven! Preposterous at its core. You are as deluded as a human being can possibly be. You have been lied to. God’s “marching orders” for you come through the epistles of Paul alone. It is the Jews who will “work” to bring in God’s earthly Kingdom; and that AFTER the age of free grace is through.

            “Life is not preparation for death.”

            Yes it is. This life is simply a preparation for all ETERNITY. A FAR longer period of time than the mere 70 – 80 years we get here. This life (for the past 2,000+ years – how much longer will it last is anyone’s guess) asks one question. DO YOU HAVE THE SON?

            I do. Want to see the result? Col 3:1-3 it is…

            “If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.”

            Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. Clearly we are to “take back the earth for God” in these verses, huh? The “ends justify the means” do they not? Twisted… Men are twisted.

            Order out of chaos is a sentiment we hear often is it not? It is satan’s favorite. There is no Biblical understanding among the “religionists” here; and satan loves it. None of you understand who you are (or who you can be) IN CHRIST. satan loves that. The chaos he has created through false teachings and false bibles staggers the mind of one who understands (by way of Paul’s epistles) who he is in Christ. It is so remarkably sad to see so much energy and passion spent defending the lies of religion, when God has given us His completed Word through the last Apostle, Paul. Paul is the key to understanding your Bible.

            One Book. Just one Book. Every problem on earth solved if people just learned HOW to read that one Book. But y’all love your religion because your religion tells you that you are basically good and that you have a purpose here. The Bible says just the opposite however, and that’s why people hate it. That’s why people NEED their religion. Always have, always will.

            Thank you Father, for your Perfect Word. You are Perfect, what else could your Word be? Amen.

          • Liya Addis

            yes, “He paid our sin-debt when He was nailed to the cross”, and he got us out from hell, but we humans sin every day, so our loving mother pray for us sinners to get us forgiveness for the sins we commit daiy

        • Rad Rad Robot

          You’re saying the passage only applies to Jews?

          • Ted Lindblad III

            Yes. Jews in the ages to come who are called to fulfill the “great commission”.

          • Rad Rad Robot

            Oops I replied to this comment in the wrong place. It’s up there ^^^

          • Rad Rad Robot

            David and Abraham had works, and they showed their faith in their works. As for repairing the world, is it really a bad thing? I don’t believe mankind is good, I believe man is a nuetral, imperfect being with free will. Meanwhile, you hate the world and want it all to burn. All you care about is your own salvation—the rest can literally go to hell. Who’s beliefs are more moral, again? As for “eternity” and death, immortal souls are a pagan greek concept, basically like everything invented by Paul’s pagan quasi-gnostic “Christianity”. G-d doesn’t need to burn you forever, he can just make you cease to exist. I don’t know about you, but I believe in life, and that life has a purpose.

            “For this commandment which I command you today is not too mysterious for you, nor is it far off. It is not in heaven, that you should say, “Who will ascend into heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear and do it?…But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it. See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil…therefore choose life that you and your descendants may live (Deuteronomy 30:11-19).”

            You choose death, I’ll choose life.

            As for the rest…

            http://www.amazon.com/Paul-Jesus-Apostle-Transformed-Christianity/dp/1439123314

            http://www.hope-of-israel.org/fundamentalflaw.html

          • Ted Lindblad III

            “All you care about is your own salvation—the rest can literally go to hell.”

            As that’s why I’m here spending my time with you…

            Obviously you are just going to continue to read into my words what you want to read into my words. Enough is enough.

    • Carol

      @ Rex Robert Johnson, I’m GLAD the LORD got you out too, JESUS SAID ” Come out of her my People, and BE NOT PARTAKERS of HER SINS Revelation 18:4 . This is the Cathlic Church , Rome sits on 7 hills. Mary is NOT to be worshiped! Mary said in Luke 1:48-47 ” My soul doth Magnaify the Lord )Jesus), and my spirit Rejoieth in GOD my Savior” Mary even worshiped Jesus as Her LORD! Mary also offered up 2 Turtle Doves this is what they did for of Purification according to the law of Moses Read Luke 2:22-24. Mary’s womb was used to bring JESUS CHRIST into the World . Satan is sneeky to DECIEVE PEOPLE, into Believing Mary is GREATER than JESUS CHRIST. Mary Loved, and Worshiped Jesus as her LORD! Blessings to YOU In JESUS NAME 🙂

      • Carol

        @ Carol says post for Rex Robert Johnson corretion on the verse in Luke 1 :46-47 in line 4 NOT 1:48-47 Sorry about that 🙂

  • DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THE CHRISTIAN FAITH:

    JESUS ONCE ASKED HIS APOSTLES: “WHO DO THEY SAY I AM”?

    IF I MAY REPHRASE TODAY’S ISSUE:

    “WHO DO THEY SAY THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY IS”?

    AS A ROMAN CATHOLIC, OUR RESPONSE CONTINUES TO BE:
    “MARY, THE BLESSED VIRGIN, IS THE MOTHER OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR – JESUS CHRIST”.

    THIS FACT IS WRITTEN IN THE HOLY BOOK – WHETHER YOU USE THE KJV OR THE AMERICAN “CATHOLIC” BIBLE EDITION.

    IT CANNOT BE CHANGED AND WILL CONTINUE TO REMAIN AS IT IS FROM THE BOOK OF GENESIS “AS THE LADY WHO WAS PROMISED BY GOD TO STEP ON THE SERPENT’S HEAD” AND IN THE BOOK OF REVEALATION “AS THE LADY WITH 12 CROWNS OF STARS AROUND HER HEAD”.

    ASK YOURSELF, IF YOU FULLY ACCEPT THESE TRUTHS. IF YOU CAN, THEN YOU ARE READY TO BE A ROMAN CATHOLIC. AMEN.

    THANKS,

    • Shegrid John

      THIS IS what True Blessedness is!
      Luke 11
      27 While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed.” 28 But He said, “On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it.”

      And, who told you that it is Mary who is described in THE BOOK OF GENESIS “AS THE LADY WHO WAS PROMISED BY GOD TO STEP ON THE SERPENT’S HEAD”?

      And, who told you that it is Mary who is described in the BOOK OF REVELATION “AS THE LADY WITH 12 CROWNS OF STARS AROUND HER HEAD”?

      • If you think the woman in Revelation is NOT Mary, you need to learn more about Scripture.

        Who else would she be?

        And did not Mary proclaim, in Luke, that all generations would call her blessed? Why don’t you?

    • STL

      Elly: I was a Catholic as one time from a Jewish father, but the Mother of Jesus is no difference than any other mother that brought their child into this world. Please do not make out this woman more than she really is to us. She raised Jesus a a child, love Jesus a a child. But when he became an adult, he was on his own. What he has accomplished for us, only came from him not his mother.

      Why do you continue to say that she’s a virgin, as we know that she had more son’s and daughter’s, the minute she had Jesus, she stopped being a Virgin. And why do you tell your sins to a priest, he is not ordained by Jesus Christ, and Jesus said, he the only mediator between man and God?

      No offense to women, but your making Mary into a God.

      • If you carefully study the names of those referred to as Jesus’ brothers you can see that a) There are far too many of them to be from one mother, and b) some of them are referred to in other parts of scripture as the children of other mothers.

        So no proof of anything.

        We do not worship Mary. She is not a God but she was the first Christian. Jesus honoured his mother. Why shouldn’t we do what Jesus did?

        • Ted Lindblad III

          “She is not a God but she was the first Christian.”

          The Apostle Paul was the first Christian (1 Tim 1:15-16). Mary, like her husband Joseph, were (and still are) Jews awaiting the times of refreshing which is the second coming.

          She is a person deserving respect like all people.

          There are certain promises made unto Abraham (land and a nation) and certain promises made unto David (Kingship and an everlasting Kingdom) which are not made unto us. These are Jewish promises.

          Our promises are of Heavenly things and can be found in Paul’s epistles alone.

          • Suzen Ibraheem

            The name “Christian” was actually a nick-name given by the Antiochians in Syria, to the disciples/followers of Christ Jesus. But they wholeheartedly accepted and since then, only, the disciples/followers of Jesus where known/called as Christians.

            ” … And in Antioch the disciples were first called Christians.” (Acts. 11:26)

          • Ted Lindblad III

            Yes, you are right. Who was up in Antioch from the very beginning? Paul!

        • STL

          Catholicnuck: Your a liar, when a person in a catholic church kneels in front of the statue of Mary, and you say that’s not worshipping Mary?

      • Liya Addis

        Mother of Jesus is different than any other mother that brought their child into this world because what makes her special than any creation is the fact that her son is God, and to see Virgin Mary as just any woman and not to give her the proper respect that she deserves is an offend to Jesus, because he chose her form all woman to be his mom.

        yes she is a virgin, the Hebrew and Greek terms for “brother” are often used to refer to relatives who are not necessarily what we in English would term “brothers,” i.e., perhaps a cousin or an uncle, or some other relative. For example, Abraham and Lot are called adelphoi in Gen. 14:14 in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the OT used by the Apostles), though they are certainly not what we would call “brothers.” Jacob and Laban are also called “brothers” (Gen. 29:15), though Laban would have been Jacob’s uncle. In any event, the words do not mean the precise thing that the modern English “brother” does.
        Beyond that, it is nowhere to be found in Scripture that any man other than God-man Jesus Christ is called the child of Mary.
        Some would cite the use of the “until” in Scripture (“…and he knew her not until (Greek eos) her having brought forth her firstborn son…” (Matthew 1:25; Luke 2:7)) it is not saying he knew her sexually but this is to indicate he knew her as being a new Ark of the Covenant, a created thing which somehow contained the uncontainable God. he understood her as one would understand the Ark, that she had been set aside for use by God, and that her womb had in some sense been made into a temple. The language used for the Virgin in the New Testament parallels that used for the Ark in the Old

    • Rad Rad Robot

      The lady in Revelations is Israel. Roman Catholicism is a pagan faith. More pagan than regular Christianity, that is.

    • Bert

      Wow…ok, first off, it was the SEED of the woman that would crush the serpents head…that was Christ and Christ alone. Not Mary. Second, you’ve made a fairly unique, in my opinion, mistake by making the woman you mentioned in Revelation out to be Mary. Most people only try to make her the church when she is clearly the nation of Israel…not trying to start a fight, only trying to correct an error out of love.
      God bless.

    • Johnson

      “I thirst” and “it is finished” were Jesus last words,John 19;26-30 The only thing we need to be ready for is judgment, repentance to God thru Jesus Christ is our hope, not a religion…Yes the Catholic church is the mother of all the harlot churches and false prophets Rev 1:20 the seven stars are the 7 churches in revelation. The Jews will always be God people.May God have mercy on all those that think differently Rev 3;1 the seven angels told the churches what they needed to do to be saved.Rev 3:17 “Because thou sayest, I am rich and increased with goods, and have need of nothing, and knowest not that thou are wretched, and miserable, and poor , and bling, and naked:” … Open your eyes and ears to HIS call and repent and be saved from your sins.and religion MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. arrayed in purple and scarlet color decked in gold and having a golden cup of abominations
      .

    • DEAR SISTER DIERDRE:

      DON’T WORRY, YOU DON’T HAVE TO THINK OR TOUCH OUR BLESSED MOTHER, MARY.

      SHE WILL THINK OF YOU, PRAY FOR YOU, AND TOUCH YOU.

      IT WAS HER CHOICE TO BE THE MOTHER OF JESUS . . . AND IT WAS THE CHOICE OF GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY, THAT SHE BE THE MOTHER OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST. AMEN.

      • MelIsa

        Wow, Who says we dont respect and appreciate that she carried Our Lord and Savior, but to ask her for the most minimum thing, when we all know according to the Scriptures that she die like the rest of humans is another thing… I wish you give us at least a verse from the Catholic Bible where it says that The Mother of Jesus is a mediator between men and God… And I promise I’ll go backto catholicism.
        Look at this verse and tell me if Mary is mentioned there???

        Timothy 2:5
        For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

        • Donna

          All Christians “mediate” for each other, meaning, we pray for one another. As Catholics, we only ask Mary to pray for us, just as we ask one another to pray for us (go before the Lord on our behalf)when we need it.

          The “Hail Mary” is simply a prayer taken from scriptures, and a request for prayer. Period.

          Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee (Gabriel)
          Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus (Elizabeth)

          Holy Mary, Mother of God (Elizabeth), pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. (Us)

          • STL

            Donna: Which scripture is Hail Mary in the KJV Bible?

          • Most of the Hail Mary is found in the Gospel of Luke.

          • oky doky smoky

            This is the catholic, Anglican, orthodox, and Coptic explanation it is not the word of God but a translation from catholic translators. You belong to a false cult religion. Catholics have never for one day been Christian ———– they kill Christians. The Inquisition killed millions. And, the Catholics are killing untold numbers today. A group following a false god serving the Antichrist. The Papacy is Antichrist and a false religion serving Belial. Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?
            2 Cor 6:14-16 (KJV) You bunch are idol worshipers and you know it!
            Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me
            Ex 20:4-5 (KJV) God cannot lie —- you hate God through your idol worship.

  • This will never be resolved until the Lord Jesus Christ returns,however the major problem that is obvious in the Roman church is the ignorance of the scriptures by its membership.There is such a lack of discernment in the church members that they are willing to accept anything the Pope says.The people were kept from the scriptures for many years so they would not find the truth.It does no good to try to debate the Roman churches teachings,anymore than the Communist Manifesto,or the teachings of Islam,because the god of this world has blinded their hearts and minds to the truth.Salvation is a personal choice which God has given individuals.He has not forced Himself nor Jesus on anyone and that is the most important decision we all must make.

    • DEAR BROTHER GLENN,

      JESUS TOLD THE PHARISES AND THE SCRIBES: ” IT IS NOT WHAT GETS INTO THE BODY (SUCH AS FOOD AND DRINK) THAT GOD IS CONCERNED . . . BUT RATHER WHAT COMES OUT OF THE BODY”.

      PLS. LET THE HOLY SPIRIT GUIDE YOU IN WHAT YOU SAY, WHAT YOU DO, AND WHAT YOU THINK. TO USE THE WORD ‘IGNORANCE’ FOR YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST (NO MATTER WHAT THEIR RELGION IS: CHRISTIAN OR CATHOLIC) IS NOT “FAIR” FOR BY JESUS’ BLOOD WE WERE ALL SAVED, NOT JUST ONE, OR TWO, BUT THE ENTIRE CHRISTIAN FAITH. AMEN.

    • MelIsa

      Yes, is truth Sister.
      I have a sister in law, that she lives in Mexico, whenever people died, their relatives would call her to recite the rosary, I mean it, my poor in law, was bussy almost everyday because people would call her to recite the rosary, since the person die, I believe till 3 or four years after their departure, my husband and I became Christians and we asked her many times why was she doing it, under what scripture, and she coul never answer…. Sometimes she got very mad, I told my husband, leave her along, she doesn’t understand n he also asked her, what has more power, more power the rosary or The Precious Blood of Jesus?
      One day another sister in law got very sick, we taught she had canc, , and she asked me… How can you have peace when our sister in law is sick.. I answer, because I have the Peace of God, n she asked me, how can I have it too, I say, very easy, give your heart to Jesus, and she said I want to, but what do I need to do, I told her that I’ll pray a simply prayer and we did, but she asked me before we prayed, if she had to abandon the catholic church in order to do that, I didn’t know what to answer right of way, but I pray and I asked Jesus very fast, and I felt that He told me, I love her as she is.. And I told her, you can stay there but to wait for the changes that God was going to do in her life…. Months pass3 months later, my husband and I went back to Mexico and the first thing she told us wa s this ” Guess what… N I say, what?, and she replied Ever since you prayed for me, I don’t recite the rorosary anymore, is like something was blinding me, and I could see clear that what I was doing wasn’t right. Now she’s the most faithful member at a Christian Church… The Honor and Glory is for our Lord Jesus Christ… Who reigns for all eternity.. Amen.

      • Jack

        Melisa,
        Praised be our Father in Heaven, the Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit for FREEING your in law from the bondage of the catholic cult! You have given me great hope for my own family. I know the Lord is working in them, but it is very slow. Thank you for this encouragement today! God bless you!

    • Julie

      It is rather shocking that the most intelligent people who never takes things at face value would embrace Roman Catholic teaching without question. It is their eternal life they are risking not money or property but their very own life. Eternity is a long time to be wrong so I dearly hope and pray the many Roman Catholics like my husband will start to question, read the Bible and seek answers. Are you willing to allow your self deception lead you to eternal death in Hell.

      • Donna

        The Holy Scriptures support Catholic doctrine – not those doctrines of the 38,000 Protestant denominations.

        History testifies that the Catholic Church is the church Jesus founded. It is the only church in existence from ancient times. All other churches have been founded within the last 500 years by men (and some women).

        The Catholic Church is the only church that can be traced back to the apostles: “He who listens to you, listens to Me. He who rejects you rejects Me and the One Who sent me”.

        Jesus is the head of His church, His bride. He said he would be with her ALL DAYS. Do you really think Jesus would desert his bride? Do you think He is not capable of leading his own church?

        • STL

          Donna: Your a liar? You said, History testifies that the Catholic Church is a church Jesus founded, Actually Emperor Contantina founded the Catholic Church in the 2nd Century, and Jesus died in in 33 A.D. well before the catholic church began.

          And what does Jesus tells you what is a church? When 2 or more talk or/and pray is a church.

        • STL

          DONNA: YOUR REALLY STUPID IF YOU SAID YOU STUDY HISTORY’

          AS YOU SAID HISTORY TEACHES US THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS A CHURCH FOUNDED BY JESUS CHRIST?

          HERE SOME HISTORY FOR YOU.

          FOR THE 1ST 280 YEARS OF CHRISTIAN HISTORY. CHRISTIANITY WAS BANNED BY THE ROMAN EMPIRE AND CHRISTIANS WERE KILLED FOR THEIR BELIEF IN JESUS CHRIST. THE ROMAN EMPEROR CONTANTINA PROVIDED RELIGIOUS TOLERATION WITH THE EDICT OF MILAN IN 313 A.D.

          IN 325 A.D. CONTANTINA CALLED THE COUNCIL OF NICEA IN A ATTEMPT TO UNITY OF CHRISTIANITY. THE EMPEROR CONTANTINA USED CHRISTIANITY AND PAGAN WORSHIP TOGETHER.

          AS HE BELIEVED IN THE EGYPTIAN MOTHER GODDESS RELIGION WAS ABSORBED IN CHRISTIANITY BY REPLACING IRIS WITH MARY. IRIS HAD SEVERAL NAMES: QUEEN OF HEAVEN, MOTHER OF GOD. MANY TEMPLES TO IRIS WERE, IN FACT, CONVERTED TO TEMPLES TO MARY.

          THE 1ST CLEAR FACTS TO CATHOLIC MARIOLOGY IN THE WRITTING OF THE ORIGEN. THE FOCAL POINT, OF IRIS WORSHIP.

          THE TERM ” ROMAN CATHOLIC” WAS DEFINED BY EMPEROR THEODOSIUS ON FEB. 27, 380 A.D.

          LET’S SEE WHAT JESUS TESTIFIED IN THE HOLY SPIRITUAL OF THE BIBLE AND WHAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TESTIFY TOO?

          THE POPE IS THE HEAD AND RULES THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH. GOD SAYS, JESUS RULES THE CHURCH. COL. 1:18

          POPE SAYS, GOD ENTRUSTED REVELATION TO THE CATHOLIC BISHOPS. GOD SAYS, GOD ENTRUSTED REVELATION TO THE SAINTS ( BELIEVERS). JUDE 3

          POPE SAYS, MARY IS CO-REDEEMER. GOD SAYS, JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY REDEEMER. 1ST PETER 1:18-19.

          POPE SAYS, THE CATHOLIC ADULTS PREPARE FOR JUSTIFICATION THROUGH FAITH AND WORKS. GOD SAYS, JUSTIFICATION IS BY FAITH ALONE. ROMANS 3:28

          POPE SAYS, GRACE IS MERITED BY GOOD WORKS. GOD SAYS, GRACE IS A FREE GIFT. ROMANS 11:6

          POPE SAYS, THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS NECESSARY FOR SALVATION. GOD SAYS, SALVATION IN NO ONE BUT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. ACTS 4:12

          THE POPE SAYS, THE SACRIFICE OF THE CROSS IS PERPETRUSTED IN THE SACRIFICE OF THE MASS. GOD SAYS, THE SACRIFICE OF THE CROSS IS FINISHED. JOHN 19:30

          SO DONNA, WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BELIEVE THE CATHOLIC POPE OR GOD?

  • MelIsa

    Yes, I believe she was the mother our Savior.
    I don’t understand why you asked this question…?
    Can you please be more specific Brother Gumera?
    God bless you.
    “Fear of the Lord is the foundation of true wisdom.
    All who obey His commandments will grow in wisdom.
    Praise HIM… HIM
    PSALMS 111:10

    • DEAR SISTER MELISSA,

      THE QUESTION OF: “WHO DO THEY SAY I AM”

      IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR “PERCEPTION” ON HOW OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST LOOKS AT US – ACCEPTS US.

      IF WE PREACHED THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD,WE SHOULD LIVE BY IT.

      FOR WE SHOULD NOT IMITATE WHAT THE SCRIBES AND THE PHARISES DO, BUT SHOULD EXCEED THEM IN ALL COUNTS, FOR WE CANNOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD, IF WE DO NOT LIVE BY WHAT WE PROFESS. AMEN.

  • MelIsa

    Made a mistake, she was the mother of our Savior Lord Jesus .

    • BROTHER RICHARD,

      ARE YOU REPEATING WHAT WAS “CHARGED” TO JESUS BEFORE THE SANDHEDRIN IN THE EARLY MORNINGS OF GOOD FRIDAY? IF YOU ARE, THEN WHO ARE YOU CHARGING BLASPHEMOUS?

      IF YOU ARE CHARGING THE BLESSED MOTHER, MARY AS BLASPHEMOUS – GOD BLESS YOU AND FORGIVE YOU FOR YOUR “EXPRESSIONS”. AMEN.

      IF YOU ARE CHARGING THE CATHOLIC FAITH AS BLASPHEMOUS – GOD BLESS YOU YOU AND FORGIVE YOU FOR YOUR “TRESPASSES”. AMEN.

      FOR IT IS “WHAT COMES OUT OF US” THAT JESUS IS CONCERNED ABOUT. WE HAVE BEEN “CAUTIONED” BY OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS, FOR WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHATEVER WE DO AND SAY “TO THE LEAST OF HIS BRETHREN”. AMEN.

  • DB

    .

    Mary is “asleep” in her grave
    waiting for her resurrection
    just like all other Christians.

    .

    • BROTHER / SISTER DB:

      PLS. READ THE HISTORY OF MARY:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veneration_of_Mary_in_Roman_Catholicism

      MOTHER MARY WAS ASSUMED INTO HEAVEN AND CROWNED AS THE QUEEN OF THE UNIVERSE.

      SHE, FREE FROM ORIGINAL SIN, IS IN HEAVEN WITH HER SON, JESUS:
      1. THE MIRACLES OF FATIMA
      2. THE MIRACLES OF OUR LADY OF LOURDES.
      3. THE MIRACLES OF OUR LADY OF AKITA.

      IN PROGRESS:
      1. THE MIRACLES OF GARABANDAL
      2. THE MIRACLES OF MEDJUGORIE

      JESUS ONCE SAID: “LET THE DEAD, BURY THE DEAD”

      THE CATHOLIC FAITH IS “NOT DEAD” MORE THAN 1.2 BILLION CATHOLICS WORLD-WIDE, IF ALIVE AND CONTINUES TO GET ENERGIZE BY POPE FRANCIS “FOR HE WAS CALLED BY JESUS TO REBUILD HIS CHURCH, RIGHT NOW IS IN RUINS”.

      WE ARE AGAIN REMINDED OF THAT FIRST MIRACLE IN THE WEDDING AT CANA:
      “FOLLOW WHAT MY SON COMMANDS YOU TO DO”, POPE FRANCIS IS JUST DOING – WHAT JESUS WANTS HIM TO DO. AMEN.

      • MelIsa

        See Brother, there’s the difference between you ans Christians that truly believe in the Holy Word of God..
        You have to bring us the Bible to prove about the Trinity, but for the Mother of Jesus a link to something else that’s not the Word of the Only Savior
        And where in the Bible it says ghat Mary was conceived without sin, or like Jesus, that was brought to Mary by the Holy Spirit

      • Rad Rad Robot

        “Crowned as the Queen of the universe”… wow.

        • Donna

          We have been promised that we will reign with Christ (1 Cor.4:8, 2Tim 2:12, Rev 2:20). We have also been promised a crown.

          You have no problem, I’m sure, thinking that you will one of the blessed who reigns with Him. Do you expect to receive a crown? Do you suppose Mary will also reign with Him in Heaven and be crowned? Do you suppose that your rank will be higher than hers?

          In the Old Testament, the most important person after the king was the queen mother. We know that Jesus, even in his lowly, humble position here on earth was still the King of the Universe. That makes Mary the mother of a king, hence the Queen Mother. Elizabeth called her “the mother of my Lord”.

      • DB

        .

        Jeremiah chapters 7 and 44 speak about the
        pagan abomination called the “queen of heaven.”

        Why any Christian would insult the Virgin Mary
        by calling her a pagan title is beyond the pale.

        I posted it here previously… it’s almost like
        the RCC has satanically done this on purpose.

        I also previously posted that what is happening here
        is the RRC’s false doctrines about Mary has caused
        Mary to be dishonored among other Christians. No one
        wins here except satanic antichrists who hate both
        the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, and her son,
        God incarnate, Jesus Christ.

        .

      • Carol

        No not so ,Mary is not Queen of the Universe– NO where in the Bible God’s HOLY WORD Of this! Luke 1 46-47 Mary said” My soul doth Magnify the Lord , and my Spirit Rejoith in GOD my SAVIOR. she was speaking of JESUS . Jesus even called Mary woman lots of times in the BIBLE. Jesus didn’t want Mary to be worshiped,for this is Idolatry, and Jesus was making it known that— WHEN HE CALLED HER WOMAN THAT MARY WAS not more important than anyone else. Mary was Blessed cause she carried Jesus in her womb. She is NOT to be WORSHIPED! Jesus is to be WORSHIPED !!! HE is the ONE that died on the CROSS FOR OUR SINS, NOT Mary!!!! I don’t care what you say- you can’t not trick me into believing any of your WORDS– my eyes are opened, and I know the truth. My Name is Written in the LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE! The Bible is NOT a box of Chocolates you can’t pick, and choose .You CAN’T add or change to the word of GOD he FORBIDS IT. GOD is NOT the Authur of CONFUSION— You seem to be saying things about Jesus, but then you are Worshiping Mary you can’t do this it’s wrong. Jesus is the ONE to be Worshiped he is GOD”S HOLY SON .. You are telling us to believe you well you can do this you can Pray, and ask GOD of Abraham, Isaac, Jabob ask him the truth about Jesus Christ, ask him he will show you that JESUS is the one to be worshiped not Mary .God is TRUTH!!!! It’s not Gods will that any should perish but come to repentance 2 Peter 3:9. Don’t trust any other way ,But TRUST JESUS CHRIST -HE alone is the ONLY WAY to HEAVEN, ETERNAL LIFE . John 14:6- I am the Way ,the Truth the Life, No one comes to the Father)GOD) but by me(JESUS). Rome is NOT THE MOTHER CHURCH. Rome is in the BOOK of Revelations this is TRUTH. I put my TRUST in JESUS CHRIST!!! NOT MAN! AMEN.

        • Donna

          So when He was on His way to the cross and met up with His mother and John, He called Mary “woman” to show even then that she was not more important than anyone else? Come on!!

          In Genesis, after “the Fall”, God – in His Providence” promised that there would be a woman whose offspring would be at enmity with the offspring of the devil. Nowhere else in scriptures do we see anyone addressed as “woman” other than Mary. Jesus Himself refers to His own mother as “Woman”. This is significant. Who else could the woman be? These scriptures are important and require attention.

  • DB

    .

    ” Without Mary, there would be no Jesus Christ;
    without the Church, we cannot go forward ”
    _________________

    Oh, I see… the blaspheming pope thinks
    God can’t do anything without the works of men.

    God incarnate, Jesus Christ, said God could
    create Israelites from stones !

    http://biblehub.com/matthew/3-9.htm

    Next the papists will say Mary pre-existed…
    maybe they are already saying that.

    .

    • JESUS SAID TO HIS APOSTLES: “LET YOUR HEARS NOT TROUBLE YOU . . . FOR TODAY, YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO TAKE CARE OF”. IN HIS TIME AND ONLY IN THE LORD’S TIME.

      • MelIsa

        Wha does this havr to do with the ” worshiping of the mother of Jesus?

  • DB

    .

    Mark 6:3, the word, translated brother, could also be translated kinsman or relative.

    .

    • BROTHER / SISTER DB:

      IN CHRIST, OUR LORD, WE ARE ALL “BROTHERS AND SISTERS”, FOR BY HIS BLOOD – WE WERE SAVED FROM FINAL DAMNATION. AS JESUS SAID “BE PERFECT – AS YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN WANTS YOU TO BE PERFECT” AND THEN HE TAUGHT US HOW TO PRAY “OUR FATHER, WHO ART IN HEAVEN HOLLOWED BE THY NAME . . . THY KINGDOM COME, THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN. GIVE US THIS DAY, OUR DAILY BREAD AND FORGIVE US OUR TRESPASSES, AS WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO TRESPASS AGAINST US. AND LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION, BUT DELIVER US FROM EVIL. FOR THY IS THE GLORY, THE KINGDOM, AND THE POWER”. AMEN.

  • CrissCross
    • BROTHER CRISS,

      WERE YOU ABSENT WHEN THIS WAS DISCUSSED IN SUNDAY SCHOOL?

      GET HOLD OF THE HOLY BOOK, AND FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF, PLS.

  • DB

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    @ ELLY GUMERA

    Please stop posting in all caps.

    You might think all caps encourages people to read your posts…
    but for me it does the exact opposite.

    .

  • M D D

    Words taken out of context…… Not true!

    • BROTHER LARRY,

      TO DENY THE TRUTH, IS EVEN GREVIOUS THAN SIN ITSELF!

      IT OFFENDS THE HOLY SPIRIT . . . WHICH JESUS FORBID US TO SIN AGAINST.

    • SISTER KAT,

      WE HAVE THE 10 COMMANDMENTS

      WE HAVE THE 8 BEAUTITUDES

      WE ARE SAVED BY THE BLOOD OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS.

      WE ARE TO WORSHIP AND LOVE THE LORD, OUR GOD, WITH OUR WHOLE HEART, WHOLE SOUL, WHOLE MIND, WHOLE BODY, AND EVERYTHING WE HAVE. TO HIM AND TO HIM ALONE SHALL WE WORSHIP DAY AND NIGHT. AMEN.

      “FOR MAN LIVETH NOT BY BREAD ALONE, BUT BY EVERY WORD THAT COMES FORTH FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD (THE HOLY BOOK, THE BIBLE)”.

      “JUDGE NOT YOUR BRETHREN, SO THAT THE LORD – YOUR GOD WILL NOT JUDGE YOU”.
      “THE LORD DESIRES MERCY, NOT SACRIFICE”.

    • Ted Lindblad III

      “She was the first to accept him with her “yes”, and because she is sinless, therefore, perfect, we use her as our model to receive Him perfectly.”

      Please show me in the King James Bible where it says that Mary was without sin.

      Romans 3:23… “For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.”

      Mary was/is a Jewess and like all faithful Jews, is awaiting her resurrection “when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.” (Acts 3:19).

      Scripture (KJB) is true. Nothing else is true. No matter how badly you want to believe it.

      • pine

        “Please show me in the King James Bible where it says that Mary was without sin.”

        I agree some Bible translations are not good. But since when did KJV become the standard Bible for all English translations?

        Luke 1:28 says “And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.”

        Can a person “full of grace” be in sin?

        Lastly, your reasoning is no better than the muslims who demand that the Bible shows an explicit verse where Jesus says I am God and worship me. Can you prove it Ted Lindblad III?

        • Ted Lindblad III

          “But since when did KJV become the standard Bible for all English translations?”

          Since it was perfected by the Lord (the Creator of language) in the English language.

          God made man a promise in Psalm 12:6-7 and I believe Him.

          It reads… “The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.”

          Do you believe God? Do you believe what He tells you in His Word?

          Prove to me the sky is blue pine. How would you go about that? I know the sky is blue because I have examined it and found it to be so. Honest study of the King James Bible by a saved Christian will reveal to him that the KJB is the very Word of God in the English language.

          I recommend you read “Which Bible” by David Otis Fuller if you would honestly like to explore this issue.

          “Can a person “full of grace” be in sin?”

          Why, yes. As a matter of fact, I am “full of grace” too, and I am indeed a sinner. I have the Perfect atoning blood of Jesus Christ covering my sins and my sin nature. In God the Father’s eyes, I am without sin because he see’s His Son alone in me. Judicially, I have been made Perfect in Christ. Read Romans 3 and 5.

          A saved Christian, at the moment of salvation, begins a battle that will last his entire temporal life. It is the battle between the flesh and the spirit. Between my sinful flesh and my sinless spirit (thanks be to God). It is rather difficult at times but a small price to pay for the eternal Glory which awaits me. Read Romans chapter 7.

          “Lastly, your reasoning is no better than the muslims who demand that the Bible shows an explicit verse where Jesus says I am God and worship me.”

          Not sure I follow you here. The Bible does in fact demonstrate explicit verses where Jesus says He is in fact God in the flesh. How might my reasoning be flawed?

          • pine

            Ted, thank you for the Book and video references.

            “Since it was perfected by the Lord (the Creator of language) in the English language”

            Am I correct in assuming you are KJV onlyist? If that is the case, is there a verse which says English was perfected by the Lord? When God confused the people at the Tower of Babel, he created various languages – was English in any one of them? When did the English language come into existence? Did Jesus and the apostles speak in English? Do you not believe that God would recognize that languages change over time and that people need to hear his words across time over all the world? Ted, I do not disagree certain Bible translations (English and non-English) are very very poor and they do more damage than good (most likely due to Satan), but to state that KJV should become the standard Bible for all English translations sounds too strong a claim. Translations cannot completely capture meanings, idioms, etc. Even though I like the KJV translation, wouldn’t you agree that not everyone speaks in King James English.

            “Prove to me the sky is blue pine. How would you go about that? I know the sky is blue because I have examined it and found it to be so.”

            Interesting that you should arrive at this conclusion. How do you know that your examining is not flawed? and how can you ensure that?

            “Why, yes. As a matter of fact, I am “full of grace” too, and I am indeed a sinner.”

            I hope you agree that Jesus if full of grace (John 1:14), but to claim that we humans also are full of grace would imply we are exactly like Jesus. Unless you are re-interpreting “full of grace” to have a different meaning as seen fit. Do you see any significance in the presence of Angel Gabriel in Luke 1:28 or is he just another ordinary person? Why should the Angel Gabriel greet Mary saying “full of grace” when Christ was not yet born? How do you explain that away? Do we apply Romans 3 and 5 before or after Christ’s sacrifice on the cross or do you believe everyone prior to Jesus “full of grace”? Can we say Adam and Eve were “full of grace” even though they disobeyed God? Was Cain “full of grace” when he murdered Abel?

            “Do you believe God? Do you believe what He tells you in His Word?”

            Yes I do believe in God. But as a catholic I believe in both the Bible and the tradition of the church. I am aware that the church has had a tumultuous past, but I believe all of that was accounted for in God’s plan for the salvation of humans. For e.g. didn’t God choose St. Paul, a persecutor of the church to become one of the foremost apostles along with St. Peter.

            “The Bible does in fact demonstrate explicit verses where Jesus says He is in fact God in the flesh. How might my reasoning be flawed?”

            Let me rephrase the question. Did Jesus say “I am God, worship me” anywhere in the Bible? Can you find these words in any of the 4 gospels? I am aware of the usage “I AM” etc., but this is a typical question a muslim asks to deny the divinity of Christ. I am not saying you do not believe Jesus is God. But if you cannot find explicit verses in the Bible where Jesus says he is God (assuming you are a Bible believing Christian), how do you conclude Jesus is God? The same question holds true for the “Holy Trinity” – can you find these words anywhere in the Bible? Hence I said, your reasoning is no better than the muslim.

          • Ted Lindblad III

            “Ted, thank you for the Book and video references.”

            The answers to all your questions are contained in them. Yes, I am a KJV only Bible believer. I thank God the satanic delusions have passed.

            “…is there a verse which says English was perfected by the Lord?”

            Does there have to be? Not for me to believe that blessed book there does not.

            “But as a catholic I believe in both the Bible and the tradition of the church.”

            If you choose to believe men AND God; men who can (and do) lie (men who ARE influenced by satan) along with God (who can’t lie – and is NOT influenced by satan) then there is really nothing more for us to discuss, though I wish I could talk you out of the position and to believe God alone. You have made your bed and I have made mine. Sleep well.

    • Julie

      Where does it say in the Bible that Mary was born without sin. Why make up such a lie to place a fallen human being like Mary into something she isn’t. I’m sure God is probably getting a kick out of this entire deceptive mindset. If Mary was anything more than a human vessel, blessed (chosen) by God to carry him into this world to resolve this SIN problem that humanity has, the apostles or Jesus would have said it numerous times. Never does the Bible ever say Mary was born without sin or that she never sinned. Mary herself said that she needed a SAVIOR in her son Jesus Christ. RCC needs to stop making up things and distorting the truth for anyone who does that is already condemned. RCC needs to get their fact straight and start preaching the gospel so that they can save souls that are destined for Hell.

    • Catholics fully believe that Mary’s son redeemed us. We honour Mary as the vehicle for that redemption.

      Jesus is Mary’s saviour. He saved her from sin before she was conceived, and she remained sinless through her life. Surely you believe God can act out of time?

      • STL

        catholicnuck. as being a good catholic, please get it right, the Pope says, Mary is a co.redeemer. but God says, Christ Jesus is the only redeemer. 1st Peter 1:18-19

    • BLESS YOU, SISTER KAT: FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS REVEALED THIS TO YOU . . . AS YOU HAVE A GREAT RELATION WITH THE BLESSED MOTHER OF GOD. AMEN.

    • DB

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      @ Kat

      You are seriously deluded if you think Mary was sinless.

      No one is sinless except Jesus Christ who obeyed God’s Law
      perfectly. God’s Law is Jesus’ law because Jesus is God !!

      .

    • Ted Lindblad III

      Luke 1:38… “And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.”

      How do you get that Mary was perfect from this verse? God the Father “dwells” in Mary? Sounds kind of perverse to me…

      catholicism… the worlds most elite cult. This too shall pass.

      Read. Believe. Live.

      Romans 3:21-28… “21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

      22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith OF Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

      23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

      24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

      25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

      26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

      27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

      28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.”

      Romans 5:1-11… “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

      2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

      3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

      4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

      5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

      6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

      7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

      8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

      9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

      10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

      11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.”

      Mary is nowhere to be found. Salvation is in Christ alone. God is not pleased with mans religion. It is an offense to the Perfect nature of the Perfect Gift He gave to man.

      1 Cor 15:1-4… “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

      2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

      3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

      4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”

      Romans 4:25… “Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.”

      Read. Believe. Live.

    • Julie

      Luke 1:38 “I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her. How can RCC think that this verse in any way says that Mary was sinless or is full of grace. She might have been full of undeserving grace but that doesn’t resolve her sin problem. This verse sounds like she wants to serve God with all of her and wants to fulfill God’s will. Every person on the face of this earth should do exactly what Mary did, fulfill God’s will by obeying his commands. This verse should never be distorted by RCC or anyone else to mean what it doesn’t. By the way, “The Blessed One” means that God “chose” her to be the human vessel because God saw her heart like King David did also. There has been many people in history that found favor in God’s eyes but they all sinned including Mary. Just because the Bible doesn’t list her sins doesn’t mean that you can automatically assume she is sinless. If you read Roman you will know that the entire human race is in sin, fallen, self loving, sin loving and spiritually dead. The human race has a disease called sin and Jesus Christ is the cure. Please read the Bible and examine it with logic and common sense.

    • BROTHER GEOFF,

      . . . THE BLESSED MOTHER MISS YOU!

      . . . THE HOLY SPIRIT, MISS YOU AS WELL!

      OUR BLESSED MOTHER CONTINUES TO INTERCEDE FOR US AND SHE HELPS US ALL TO FIND “JESUS” DEEP WITHIN US, AS WELL AS OUR DAILY ENCOUNTER WITH OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST.

      PERHAPS, ALL THOSE 28 YEARS AS A CATHOLIC AS WELL AS ALL THOSE 12 YEARS IN PRIVATE JESUIT EDUCATION . . . WAS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOUR SOUL AND YOUR HEART TO FIND OUT WHAT YOU WERE SEARCHING FOR > THE TRUTH!

      FOR JESUS SAID “THE TRUTH SHALL SET US FREE”. OUR BLESSED MOTHER WAS THERE ALONG WITH YOU TO HELP YOU FIND THE TRUTH . . . BUT I GUESS, YOU NEVER GAVE HER A CHANCE TO BRING YOU CLOSER TO HER SON. SHE CONTINUES TO TOUCH YOU THIS VERY DAY, IT IS JUST A MATTER OF LETTING HER LEAD YOU THE WAY CLOSER TO THE TRUTH . . . CLOSER TO HER SON, JESUS OUR LORD. AMEN.

      • She is not my mother, and she is not your mother either. Show me ONE verse in the bible that says she is…

        • Ron Murphy

          Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
          She is also the Bride of Christ.

          Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
          Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.
          Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
          Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

        • Donna

          In the Book of Genesis, the Lord tells Satan that there will be another woman: I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed.. (Genesis 3:15).

          Jesus refers to his own mother as “Woman”. Why does he call her this? Who else in the New Testament is addressed as “Woman”?

          Sin and death came into the world because of a woman. On the other hand, God permitted the Life of the World to come by another woman.

          Eve is the mother of all living men. Mary is the mother of Christ, the head of the Church. Therefore, all of Jesus’ brothers and sisters must have the same mother.

    • Donna

      It is not a sin to ask others to intercede for us. We ask our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ to pray for us all the time! That is not worship! We honor Mary. She herself, speaking through the Holy Spirit, said all generations would call her blessed. As far as I can tell, the Catholic Church is the only church which honors her.

      The apostle Paul said NOTHING can separate us from Christ, not even death. Mary has not ceased to be a part of the body of Christ just because she is no longer here on earth. Jesus lives, therefore she lives. Jesus said, God is a God of the living, not the dead. Jesus told us that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were not dead, but living, and this was before his resurrection. Also, Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus on the mount.

      • Steven Gorran

        Agreed.

    • BROTHER ANTHONY,

      LET US ACCOMPANY JESUS, WHILE HE WAS ABOUT TO ENTER THE CITY OF JERUSALEM.

      HIS APOSTLES TOLD HIM THAT HE SHOULD BE HAPPY BECAUSE THEY PEOPLE WELCOME HIM WITH LEAVES OF PALM TRESS, THROWING THEIR BLANKETS ALONG HIS WAY, SHOUTING FOR JOY . . . IN REPLY, JESUS SAID: “AMEN. AMEN. I SAY TO YOU, IF NO ONE WAS HERE TO WELCOME THE SON OF MAN, THE STONES AND THE HILLS WILL CRACK OPEN TO WELCOME HIM.”

      FOR US, HUMANS, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE – FOR GOD, NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE. AMEN.
      FOR HIS WAYS, ARE NOT OUR WAYS, AND HIS MEASURING CUP IS NOT OUR MEASURING CUP.

    • Ted Lindblad III

      Amen Anthony!

  • mike watchinski

    Why, if Mary was “free from original sin” did she say …”And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.”? (Luke 1:47)

    Mary KNEW that she was saved because “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God”. (Romans 8:16).

    ELLY GUMERA, do you KNOW that you are saved? If you continue to trust in the multiple gods you talk about, I fear that you will find yourself in Hell. There is one Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ. As you try to align your church and other sinners(aka Mary) with the Saviour of the world, Jesus Christ, you are committing blasphemy which will bring the wrath of God upon your soul.

    Rid yourself of your false gods and trust only in the shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    • BROTHER MIKE,

      WE ARE SAVED BY THE BLOOD OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.

      AS A ROMAN CATHOLIC, THE HOLY SACRIFICE BRINGS US BACK IN TIME, WHEN JESUS INSTITUTED THE HOLY EUCHARIST IN THE LAST SUPPER. YES, I PARTAKE OF HIS BODY AND HIS BLOOD EVERY TIME I ATTEND HOLY SACRIFICE OF THE MASS FOR HE SAID “IF YOU EAT THIS BREAD AND DRINK THIS CUP, YOU SHALL LIVE FOREVER. YOU SHALL BE WITH ME AND I WILL BE WITH YOU. FOR I AM THE BREAD OF LIFE, HE WHO EATS ME SHALL HAVE LIFE EVERLASTING”. AMEN.

  • DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST,

    I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO PLS. VISIT THESE WEBSITES TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC FAITH AND HOW YOU COULD INCREASE YOUR DEVOTION TO MARY, THE MOTHER OF JESUS:

    Through Jesus & Mary,

    Pls. visit these websites:

    https://sites.google.com/site/disipulonihesus/de-colores—cursillo-in-christianity

    https://sites.google.com/site/why40daysand40nights/home

    GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR LOVE ONES. AMEN.

  • MelIsa

    OUR BLESSED MOTHER CONTINUES TO INTERCEDE FOR US
    Now, the Bible is lying according to what you say…..
    Don’t you know that Jesus said…
    I M the ONLY WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE

    AND NOBODY, NOBODY WILL COME TO HIS FATHER, EXCEPT THRU HIM…

  • MelIsa

    See, catholics can not hold an argument without sending us, to something else is not the Holy Word of God, just like the Jehovah s witnesses, and other fake religions that base their faiths on humans religions.

  • Ross

    @ELLY GUMERA

    With all due respect and love, I do not see how anyone who claims Catholicism as their faith can actually call themselves a “Christian” if they know their bible. Christianity is fundamentally based on the belief that the bible is the infallible word of God. Catholicism is fundamentally opposite of what God says in his word. I promise you that I am not judging you, but the errant principles of the Catholic faith. God knows we all have a LOT to be forgiven for and none of us are perfect.

    Below are a few of many, many examples that I could give.

    1) Catholics call priests, cardinals, and the pope “Father”

    Matthew 23:9 – And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

    2) Catholics pray to saints and Mary

    Deuteronomy 18:10-11 – There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits (which are demons) or a wizard or a necromancer (consulting with the dead, even dead saints).

    John 14:6 – Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: NO MAN cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME.

    3) Catholics believe that priests can forgive sins through confession.

    Anyone who believes that an imperfect man (a priest, the pope) can forgive sins is effectively stating that God is not necessary. If I, an imperfect person, asks a priest, another imperfect person, to forgive my sins for me, then I am indirectly stating that I do not need God’s forgiveness, who is perfect and is the one that my sins need to be forgiven by. An imperfect priest would be no better at forgiving my sins than me in this case. Now if a priest or the pope were perfect, then they would be taking the place of God himself and we all know that this is incorrect, as the bible specifically states that there is not one “good” person on the earth.

    Romans 3:23 – For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

    Peter himself even said the statement below (thus it stands to reason that the pope who is supposedly a succession of Peter could never forgive sin):
    Acts 8:22 – Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, AND PRAY GOD, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.

    4) Catholicism has persecuted God’s true church since its inception.

    I find it interesting that you used the following in a reply above: “FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, IS THE “MOTHER” OF ALL CHURCHES”

    I agree mostly with this statement; however, “Mother” of all Churches should be Mother of all harlots, as is described in Revelation 17:4-6

    4 And the woman was arrayed in PURPLE AND SCARLET COLOUR (colors of the Catholic church cardinals and bishops), and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls(extreme wealth of the Catholic Church), having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication(sold out God’s church for earthly wealth, power, fame)

    5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

    You are correct that it is a mother, but a mother of harlots. This is not something to be proud of.

    6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

    The Catholic destruction of God’s true saints. We all know that throughout history, the Catholic church has committed mass murder against Christians going back to the beginning of Christianity.

    Please read Revelation 17 and be objective…you will find the truth.

    I could go on and on, but the truth is there to see. Either people will believe in the Bible as God’s word, or they will believe in the vain imaginations of men.

    • DB

      .

      @ Ross

      Yours is a very well thought-out, well-written post.

      What I am about to post is not. It is something that was recently revealed to me about Daniel 8 and the 2300 days.

      2300 days = 2300 years… beginning in 285 BC

      Something interesting happened that year, 285 BC, that dovetails with other info in Daniel 8… and may indeed have started the countdown… that ends in 2015.

      Ptolemy II was the son of Ptolemy I who was one of the four who took power after the death of Alexander the Great.

      In 285 BC, Ptolemy II, came to power and commissioned the “Septuagint”, the translation of the Old Testament into Greek.

      The Septuagint symbolizes the time of the gentiles… which included the Israelite diaspora who became Christians.

      How does this relate to the topic here ?

      The apostate Roman Catholic Church is a big part of the “times of the
      gentiles.”

      .

      • Ross

        Thanks for sharing that DB and I appreciate your compliment.

        🙂

        This is VERY interesting information. It adds another layer to the possibility/(probability) of 2015 being a huge prophetic year.

        – The two final blood red moons of the 2014-2015 tetrad will occur on feast days in 2015.
        – 2015 is the next Jubilee year. This was a special year in ancient Israel in which “slaves and prisoners would be freed, debts would be forgiven and the mercies of God would be particularly manifest.”
        – I study a lot about the occult/Satanism in the music industry, politics, movies, schools, etc. and the level of evil in these institutions has hit an all time high. They don’t even try to hide their evil intentions anymore. I truly believe that the antichrist is preparing to come on the scene, especially with the pope (effectively satan incarnate) stating a couple of days ago that we are already in WWIII.
        – Finally, Jesus said that the generation who sees Israel become a nation again would be the final generation (fig tree prophecy)

        We are close my friend, we are close.

        • DB

          .

          It’s obvious you are studious and well-read… and while we won’t agree on everything… I appreciate your serious intellect.

          Last night I was watching a TV show about the last days of Pompeii. I have seen many such documentaries… most of them pointing out the immorality and perversion that was so pervasive in pagan Pompeii.

          But the show last night really alerted me to the fact that we are now living extremely close to the edge and the end is very near.

          In the show, the commentators praised the sexual perversion of Pompeii … including homosexuality… and said it was an good example we should follow !!

          .

        • MRH

          @Ross: The second coming cannot be predicted I’m afraid 🙁

          Mar 13:28-33 KJV – Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

          P.S. the “2300 days = 2300 years… beginning in 285 BC” is false 😉

          • Ross

            @ DB

            Thanks, DB. I never expect people to fully agree with everything that I say, nor will I usually agree with everything that others say. As long as we are all on this earth, none of us will know everything in its entirety and that’s one of the reasons God told us to gain knowledge. Paul himself didn’t know everything and he had revelations beyond what any of us has experienced. If someone can give me an intelligent argument (without being arrogant, boastful, or belligerent), I am very open to it and even welcome it. Pride holds us back from intelligence in too many cases.

            @ MRH

            If you actually thoroughly read anything that I’ve written, then you will know that I did not once try to predict the day or the hour of our savior’s return. Please actually read what is written before being accusatory.

            1 Thessalonians 5 tells us the following:

            5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

            2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

            3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

            4 BUT YE, BRETHREN, ARE NOT IN DARKNESS, THAT THAT DAY SHOULD OVERCOME YOU AS A THIEF.

            5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

            It is true we do not know the day or the our, but we do know the season. When God says that this is the terminal generation, I have no idea how else to take that…Do you?

          • DB

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            MRH posted:

            ” P.S. the “2300 days = 2300 years… beginning in 285 BC” is false 😉 ”
            _____________

            Oh,I see… no man knows… but you.

            And… what’s with the smiley at the end of your comment ?

            I see it here all the time… after insulting posts comes a smiley.

            Makes me think the whole comment is insincere.

            .

        • MRH

          “It is true we do not know the day or the our, but we do know the season. When God says that this is the terminal generation, I have no idea how else to take that…Do you?”

          @Ross: I guess my point was that Daniels week can’t be known until it arrives 😉

          Dan 12:4, 9 KJV – But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. … And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

          Dan 12:11 KJV – And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

          Mat 24:15-16, 21 KJV – When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: … For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

          P.S. The end times are deceptive, and the signs many, so all we can do is watch. Unfortunately the bible does not declare all the signs, especially concerning the occult and NWO mystery. The latter of which I’ve been researching since 911 🙂

      • MRH

        “2300 days = 2300 years… beginning in 285 BC”

        @DB: If theory were true, then could we not predict Jesus return?

        P.S. As for the smilies, just a force of habit, ignore them if you like 💡

        • DB

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          MRH

          I’m not sure what you are saying ??

          Are you saying that if someone predicts a certain year
          for Christ’s return, then Christ can’t return that year ??

          If that were true, then antichrists would predict each year
          millions of years in the future to delay the return of Christ.

          But of course that is nonsense.

          Btw… how do you interpret this verse:

          ” Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth
          his secret unto his servants the prophets. ”

          http://biblehub.com/amos/3-7.htm

          .

        • MRH

          “Are you saying that if someone predicts a certain year
          for Christ’s return, then Christ can’t return that year ??”

          @DB: No, what I meant is that no one can predict the day and hour of Christs return, by using the bible, or by the signs, etc. But we can estimate things through varied observations. That would include proper biblical prophesy interpretation, and likewise with signs. And it is by no means an easy game, as there are numerous angles involved, of which complicates things 🙁

          P.S. Christs return time has nothing to do with mans plans, but with prophetic fulfillment. Likewise the Antichrist and False Prophet are unto prophesy, not according to mans efforts. Speaking of which, the occult and NWO are prophetic, not man-made things 😉

          • DB

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            It may or may not interest you to know that
            for many years I have believed 2015 is the
            critical year… long before I heard about
            “blood moons”, etc. 2015 is the only year
            I have ever considered. But it was only a
            few weeks ago I was given the 2300 year info
            which dovetailed like a second witness to what
            I already believed. My season = Spring 2015.

            At least it won’t be long to wait.

            .

          • DB

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            Here is the reason I believe 2015 is the critical year.

            1945 to 2015 = current 70 year global Babylonian NWO captivity.

            Based upon this, I believe Cyrus conquers Babylon in 2015.

            Cyrus is a type of Christ.

            The Bible is filled with interesting ironic twists of history.

            For example, Israel was in sin against God and God was going to
            punish them. But then righteous King Josiah stood in the gap for
            God’s People… and God postponed Israel’s punishment as long
            as King Josiah lived. The irony is… King Josiah died in battle
            to prevent the King of Egypt from helping Egypt’s ally, Assyria,
            against Babylon. That battle enabled Babylon to conquer Assyria.
            And it was Babylon who punished Israel by destroying Jerusalem,
            the temple and holding Israel captive for 70 years.

            Interestingly… the battle where King Josiah died unknowingly
            helping the very empire that would destroy his Israel kingdom…
            was called the Battle of Megiddo [609 BC]… from which comes
            the word, Armageddon

            609 BC to 539 BC [when Cyrus conquered Babylon] is 70 years.

            .

          • MRH

            “My season = Spring 2015”

            @DB: The only question is; “Where is the third temple?”.

            Mat 24:15 KJV – When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

            P.S. To my knowledge, no peace treaty declared yet. And definitely no evidence of a third temple. So until such transpires we have no absolute 7 year countdown.

          • MRH

            Also the ‘blood moon’ theories don’t quite match with biblical accounts I’m afraid 🙁

            Joe 2:30-31 KJV – And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

            Joe 3:14-15 KJV – Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

            Mat 24:29 KJV – Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

            Hint: Same instances, different figurative perspectives and wordage. Also note that such event occurs after tribulation. And I highly doubt we are in the tribulation yet, as first the temple must rise on the mount.

            FYI The modern ‘blood moon’ crap is simply end time media hype to fill authors pockets with gold, not to provide prophetic truth 🙁

            P.S. Everyone has their own theories regarding the end times, but are all of them kosher by bible declare? 😉

          • DB

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            MRH

            You asked about the Third Temple.

            I have so much to say on that subject…
            but I can’t post it all here. So I will
            try to give you a more concise version.

            When Babylon destroyed Jerusalem, Edom
            destroyed the first temple.

            After 70 years of Babylonian captivity,
            God’s Anointed, Cyrus conquered Babylon
            and sent Israelites back to Jerusalem
            to rebuild the temple.

            In the 2nd century BC, Edom lost a war
            against Israel and were given the otion
            to stay in the Kingdom of Israel if they
            “converted” so Edom “converted” en masse
            to being jews [Edom = Rev 2:9 & 3:9 synagogue
            of satan.] This was the first time in Israel’s
            history they “converted” an enemy and it cost
            them a kingdom.

            King Herod who was placed in power by Romans
            was an Edomite-jew. He tore down much of the
            temple, rebuilt and added to it creating a
            third temple, called Herod’s temple. Herod
            also tried to destroy the Christ child by
            murdering the babes of Bethlehem… why did
            Herod do that… because he believed the
            wise men and knew Israel’s Messiah was born.

            It’s an irony of history that Edom destroyed the
            first temple… and tried to destroy Jesus Christ.

            Herod’s third temple was the temple where Christ
            ran out the moneychangers. Herod’s temple was
            the temple Christ predicted would be destroyed…
            and it was.

            Jesus Christ is God’s Temple made without hands,
            there will never be another. The Holy Spirit
            should dwell in the temple bodies of Christians.

            The verse you reference about the man of lawlessness
            sitting in the temple, usurping God… refers to our
            body temples. We individually become that man of sin,
            when we dethrone God from our body temples and enthrone
            secular humanism… when we worship the creature rather
            than God our Creator.

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          • DB

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            MRH

            During the 70 year Babylonian captivity
            when most of Israel had been removed from
            the Holy Land… Edom moved in. Edom had
            participated with Babylon in the destruction
            of Jerusalem and the temple. 1 Esdras 4:45
            says Edom burned the temple. Psalm 137 says
            Edom destroyed down to the very foundation
            when Babylon conquered Jerusalem.

            Because we are now in a repeat pattern of the
            70 year captivity… Edom again occupies/controls
            God’s Holy Land. Just as Edom did during the original
            70 year Babylonian captivity and just as Edom did
            at the time of Christ.

            .

          • DB

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            MRH

            The blood moon craze does not figure into
            how I arrived at my 2015 belief. I first
            targeted 2015 many years ago… way before
            the current blood moon mania.

            I’ve posted several posts here about how
            I arrive at 2015. If you have a question
            about that, let me know.

            .

          • MRH

            @DB: The NTEB blog format is a pain, as it only has 5 levels 🙁

            P.S. If interested we could maybe continue conversations by email? 💡

          • DB
        • MRH

          “Btw… how do you interpret this verse: Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.”

          @DB: I don’t really know, unless a OT hint unto coming church, which Paul states was a mystery until it was given unto him by God? 💡

      • MRH

        “You asked about the Third Temple”

        @DB: According to the bible there are two holy temple formats; material, and spiritual. The first two earthly temples were material (ancient Jews edifices), the next temple was spiritual (Jesus and church), and the final earthly temple to come will again be material (modern Jews edifice).

        Hint: The Jews are still Gods first chosen people, the church is Gods secondary chosen people. God has not forgotten Israel, or the Jews!

        Rom 11:1-8 KJV – I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

        Rom 11:22-26 KJV – Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

        Rom 11:28-32 KJV – As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

        P.S. The tribulation is the Jews final trial, and also the end of mankind’s rule on earth. Satan and Gods wrath periods follow afterward 😯

  • Bill

    Mary, was a chosen vessel of the LORD so that HE could be our kinsman redeemer, as the book of Ruth describes, so JESUS could be a relation of man and thus purchase us to HIMSELF.
    Mary is a sinner like us, said so when declaring JESUS to be her savior.
    Mary offered a sin offering as described in Leviticus. She had to offer a SIN OFFERING. She had other children after JESUS, James, Jude among them. Mary was only a virgin until the birth of JESUS, not after.
    All of you who ascribe more to Mary than a obedient human are either deceived or worse deceptive. Don’t fall for satans oily answers or tactics.
    And look it up in the dictionary, verneration is WORSHIP.

    • Ted Lindblad III

      “Mary, was a chosen vessel of the LORD so that HE could be our kinsman redeemer, as the book of Ruth describes, so JESUS could be a relation of man and thus purchase us to HIMSELF.”

      Awesome! Just awesome!

  • noname

    In the New Testament Scriptures, our Lord Jesus Christ in several places is called the Mediator. In Greek that would be mesitēs, the mediator. And he’s called Mediator in several different ways: as a noun. The term “intercessor” as a noun does not exist, at least, I could not find it, but the fact that Jesus, as Mediator, lives eternally to make intercession, to intercede or to plead or to appeal or to turn to on behalf of us as Intercessor, that is definitely a teaching in the Holy Scripture. Although the noun “intercessor” is not used, the expression “to make intercession” is used, and the verb there would be “entynchanein, to make intercession, to act as an inter-mediator.”

    When we think of Jesus as Mediator, probably, for most Christians, most people who are familiar with the Holy Scripture, the text that would immediately come to mind would be the text in I Timothy, and it’s a text often quoted, and sometimes it’s a text quoted to perhaps by those who do not want to affirm the divinity of Christ, because the text in Timothy says this (I Timothy 2:5):

    For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and human beings (and men): the man, Christ Jesus.

    You see? So this is the text: “There is one God.” You see? One God: heis gar theos (one God) kai eis mesitēs theou (and one mediator of God) and anthrōpōn (human beings): one mediator of God and humans, or we might say in English: one mediator between God and human beings. Then it says, “anthrōpos Christos Iēsous”: “eis gar theos eis kai mesitēs thou kai anthrōpos Christos Iēsous.” Now, “anthrōpos” means “human being,” so it says, “There is one mediator between God and human beings, the human being (anthrōpos), Christ Jesus, Christos Iēsous.”

    Here we want to say, first of all, very important: Jesus Christ, Jesus the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth is anthrōpos. He is definitely a human being. The Nicene Creed will sum this up when it says that “who for us and for our salvation came from heaven, was incarnate of the holy Theotokos and Ever-virgin Mary, kai enanthrōpēsanta—and became human, and was humanized, became human.” So of course it’s the Logos, the divine Son of God who becomes human, but he becomes a human being, a first-century Jew, Mary’s child, Joseph’s child by the Law: a man. And this is a dogma of ancient Christianity.

  • db

    When arguing with fools, don’t answer their foolish arguments, or you will become as foolish as they are. From beginning to end this is anti-catholic foolishness…don’t give them the time of day.

  • I was raised in the Roman Catholic Church, went to Catholic school, was taught by the nuns and went away to a convent to become a Dominican sister. We were always taught to honor and pray to Mary. Now that I am a born again Christian and no part of the Roman system I plainly see the Truth. If Mary knew what is being done in her name she would be sorrowful.
    All the honors that belong to Christ have been given to Mary. That would make her a goddess. They say she was born sinless and remained sinless, remained a virgin, was assumed into heaven,she is our intercessor, is called Mother of divine grace, Mother of mercy, Mother of sinners, Queen of heaven, etc.
    This is a disgrace! Mary is to be honored because she had the high privilege to be the mother of Jesus. But that is all. She was just as much a sinner and in need of a Savior as all human kind. She even called Jesus her Savior in the Magnificat. How could Mary, a human being, hear the prayers of all these people? How could she dispense grace, mercy and blessings? She would then have the same powers as God, making her divine.
    Yes, the Catholics do worship Mary. They just change the wording and say they venerate her. They have the little children sing to her and place a crown of flowers on the head of the statue. I know. I took part in it many times. Thank you Jesus for delivering me from this and showing me the Truth. Now I only pray to the Father, in the Name of Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit. Alleluia!

    • Ross

      That is great to hear Pattiabba…

      God opened your eyes and you received it! Praise Jesus!

    • TeresaB

      WOW now that’s a testimony, Praise the Lord for you Pattiabba!!!!!! thank you for sharing

      • Tracy

        @Pattiabba,
        Thank you so much. You never know who might read your testimony and, just like you, open their eyes to the real savior of this world Jesus Christ. All Glory to Him!!!

    • Ted Lindblad III

      Amen sister!

    • Donna

      Revelation 5:8 – And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people.

      Gee, if Mary can’t hear our prayers, how do these 24 elders receive our prayers and how do they offer them to God? Are not these elders blessing us by bringing our prayers before God’s throne? Aren’t these elders supposed to be dead, as so many of you say?

      In Revelation Chapter 8, it is an angel who brings our prayers before God. Why not Mary??

  • Robert

    I am sure that Salvation and Honor and All things belong to Christ period. To be very clear Christ is the only way to heaven not Mary, not Joseph, not the brothers and sisters of Christ and surely not The POPE.

    • DB

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      lol

      Thanks for summing it up so well 🙂

      But I will say it again… the word used for
      brother could also be kinsman… it could mean
      Jesus’ relatives, half-brothers or cousins, etc.
      It does not necessarily mean Jesus had siblings.

      .

      • Ted Lindblad III

        “It does not necessarily mean Jesus had siblings.”

        This does.

        Mat 13:55-56… “55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

        56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?”

        • DB

          .

          I have already addressed this.

          The word for “brethen” can mean many things.
          There is nothing in that verse that verifies
          those “brethen” are Jesus’ siblings… same
          with the word for sisters.

          .

          • Ted Lindblad III

            You have addressed it in your own chosen way, this much is true. You address the Bible the way most people address the Bible. You interpret words in ways that support your own desires and your own doctrines. I prefer to read the words on the page for what they say, which is; Jesus had brothers and sisters.

            The Bible is so very simple, really, when you just allow the words to say what they mean and mean what they say!

      • MRH

        “It does not necessarily mean Jesus had siblings”

        @DB: Maybe this below will shed light on things? 💡

        Mat 13:55 KJV – Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
        Mat 27:56 KJV – Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee’s children.
        Mat 27:61 KJV – And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre.
        Mat 28:1 KJV – In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
        Mar 6:3 KJV – Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
        Mar 15:40 KJV – There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;
        Mar 15:47 KJV – And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.
        Mar 16:1 KJV – And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

        P.S. From above I sense a family factor in mystery matter.. don’t you? 😉

        • DB

          MRH

          What that tells me is Mary was a very popular name.

          John 19:25 says there were three women named Mary
          present at the crucifixion, Mary Magdalene, Mary,
          the wife of Cleophas and Jesus’ mother, Mary.

          Jesus’ mother was standing at the cross. Then Christ
          put her in the safe-keeping of one of the disciples
          and she left with him… leaving the other two Marys
          standing at a distance. It was these other two Marys
          who were present at Jesus’ tomb.

          .

          • DB

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            MRH

            John 19:25 says there were three Marys at the crucifixion.

            ” Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his
            mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. ”

            KJV

            http://biblehub.com/john/19-25.htm

            .

        • MRH

          “What that tells me is Mary was a very popular name”

          @DB: Please examine the above verses carefully 💡

          Mat 28:1 KJV – In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

          Mar 15:40 KJV – There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;
          Mar 15:47 KJV – And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.
          Mar 16:1 KJV – And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

          Hint: There are only two Marys noted above, just different instances; Mary Magdalene, Mary Jesus’ mother (also ‘other Mary’), whom also birthed; James, Joses, Simon, Judas, and Salome 😉

          P.S. The Gospel accounts are taken from different perspectives, which requires a careful eye to catch discrepancies. For instance Matt states ‘other Mary’, but Mark states Mary Jesus’ mother. Likewise one states ‘distant’, and other verse states ‘close’, which I’m guessing indicates time and place difference maybe? Also the bible only notes two of the other women (Mary’s), which suggests possibly a crowd of women were present at a distance including the two Mary’s? And while the crowd watched, the two walked unto the tomb? Anyway, Just my hypothesis according to blending of the varied verses 🙂

          • DB

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            Again… there were three Marys present at the crucifixion.
            All three Marys knew one another. Jesus’ mother, Mary, was
            taken away by a disciple for safe-keeping… the other two
            Marys watched from a distance. Those other two Marys went
            to Jesus’ tomb.

            Bottom-line… Jesus had no siblings.

            .

          • MRH

            “Again… there were three Marys present at the crucifixion”

            @DB: Can you please provide the scriptural accounts? I only see two Mary’s in my above expound, and they are the same people, just different writers perspectives.

          • MRH

            @DB: Apparently you missed this verse?

            Mar 16:1 KJV – And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

            P.S. Only two Mary’s went to the tomb, and also watched at a distance. Unless Mary Magdalene went twice to the tomb with different Mary’s.. which is doubtful and dumb 🙄

          • DB

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            MRH

            I have already addressed that here twice.
            Perhaps you didn’t read those posts…
            so I am going to post it again for the
            last time.

            There were three Mary’s at the crucifixion.
            Jesus gave his mother Mary to a disciple
            for safe-keeping and they left… leaving
            the two other Marys… it was those other
            two Marys [not Jesus’ mother] who went to
            the tomb.

            Bottom-line Jesus had no siblings.

            Btw… Luther also believed Mary remained a virgin.

            .

          • Ron Murphy

            Mar 3:31 There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
            Mar 3:32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
            Mar 3:33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
            Mar 3:34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
            Mar 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

          • Ron Murphy

            DB, R2 D2, You are the biggest Joke to ever come to NTEB. You don’t know nothing and act like you know everything. Who do you think you’re fooling? Nearly everything you say is a lie and contradicts the Bible. You are not a true Christian but an impostor, who says they are Jews, but are not.

          • DB

            .

            Ron Murphy posted:

            ” DB – You are the biggest Joke to ever come to NTEB.
            You don’t know nothing… ”
            _____________

            lol

            Normally I don’t respond to personal attacks…
            but this one is quite amusing.

            .

          • Ron Murphy

            Some are easily amused!

        • MRH

          “John 19:25 says there were three Marys at the crucifixion”

          @DB: Yes I understand that fact, as Mary like James was a common name, just like today. However the crucifixion and tomb events are completely different situations and people factors. But all we have are the Gospel accounts, as none of us were witnesses to things 🙁

  • DB

    .

    It’s interesting Roman Catholics worship Mary and call her the “Queen of Heaven”… when Jeremiah chapters 7 & 44 say the worship of the “Queen of Heaven” is a blasphemous abomination.

    The Roman Catholic church is intentionally satanic.

    Which does not surprise me because the Roman Catholic church is infamous for forcing the “conversion” of antichrists. Obviously the ROC is now filled with antichrists and abominations. The blaspheming pope nakes a fitting last pope over such a mockery.

    .

  • MARY HELPS JESUS , . . SHE IS IN THE SAVING SOUL MISSION TOO – WE NEVER CHOSE GOR THIS JOB IT WAS THE LORD OUR GOD WHO HAVE CHOSEN HER FOR THIS ROLE

    • Dear brother Elly, you are so deceived. Jesus does not need any help from Mary. It’s almost funny to read your words and yet not funny. I feel very sad for you. You say that Mary is in the soul saving mission. Nonesense. The One who saves souls is God! The Holy Spirit leads souls to Christ. And Jesus is our only intercessor. Mary is enjoying her reward. She is not involved with the affairs of man. She is a human being. I use to believe as you do. But I have been delivered from the falsehoods of the Roman system. Praise God! Please, ask the Holy Spirit to reveal truth to you.

  • Robert

    There is no Queen of Heaven and in no place has scripture ever stated so or to worship any other than Christ the True Word of God!

  • saved by Jesus

    It appears that some people need to read the book of Revelation. The RCC is mysrery babylon. The Pope speaks blasphemy and is a part of the beast system. Tell me this, why would the cathloics have their own version of the Holy Bible? Becausr they add and remove text from the original scriptures that’s why. Wake up people come out of her before it is too late!!!

    • DB

      .

      Don’t stain at a gnat and swallow a camel.

      Many who condemn Catholics, turn around and worship antichrist jews.

      Mystery Babylon is the end time evil empire, the globalist satanic antichrist NWO. It is political, military, economic, and spiritual. The ROC is only one part of the spiritual aspect of Mystery Babylon.

      .

      • Rad Rad Robot

        “Antichrist jews”. You seem to have things all figured out. Way to boast against the branches.

    • MRH

      “The RCC is mysrery babylon”

      Popular false doctrine I’m afraid 🙁 the truth below 🙂

      http://aeroventure.com/REVELATION/MYSTERY-BABYLON.htm

  • Robert

    You shall serve Christ and only Christ as Scripture is also very clear you cannot serve 2 masters, The Holy Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) are 3 separate positions and are 1.

  • mike watchinski

    Elly Gumera,

    I did not ask you about the eucharist. I asked you if you KNEW you are saved.

    Do you KNOW you are saved?

  • Ross

    @saved by Jesus

    You nailed it. All one has to do is objectively read Revelation 17-18 and this will tell you nearly everything you need to know about the Catholic Church: its fate and the fate of the people who follow its doctrines. God even pleads with people to come out of her so that they will not be partakers of the plaques that will come upon her.

    As I stated in my post above, we either believe that the Bible is the infallible word of God, or we believe the vain imaginations of men.

    @BROTHER ELLY GUMERA

    I feel that you truly believe in what you are saying and I will not say anything negative directly towards you. All that I ask, in love, is that you objectively look and study what the Catholic Church does and has done and remember this statement from Jesus:

    Matthew 7:16 – “You shall know them by their fruits”

    • DB

      .

      ” You shall know them by their fruits ”
      __________

      Look at the “fruits” of the RC in Washington DC…
      like Pelosi who glorifies abortion and sodomites.

      ” Catholic Pelosi: ‘my religion compels me’ to support same-sex ‘marriage’ ”

      http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-pelosi-my-religion-compels-me-to-support-same-sex-marriage

      .

      • Red herring argument. Pelosi’s beliefs are her own. No where does the Church endorse what she promotes. Sadly, she has company.

        • DB

          .

          @ catholicanuck

          The Roman Catholic Pelosi is a high profile democrat
          who publicly promotes both abortion and sodomy.

          Worse than that, as the news article I posted states,
          Pelosi uses her RC religion to promote sodomy !

          Why isn’t Pelosi excommunicated ??

          Why doesn’t the Pope publicly condemn her ?

          Once upon a time the RCC used to execute “heretics”…
          now the RCC embraces them.

          .

          • If you knew how the Church worked, then you’d know she has excommunicated herself by her public sin.

            Yes, it’s a “thing”

          • Donna

            It should come as no surprise to anyone when bad people are found within the Church. Satan attacks from within as well as from without. Jesus said that the wheat would grow alongside the tares. Only at the end of the age will the angels come to separate the faithful from the faithless. Until then, we will continue to see those who call themselves Catholics but don’t practice the faith.

          • DB

            .

            It’s obvious to me the RRC is filled with reprobates like Pelosi
            because the RRC does nothing to admonish and discipline them.

            It’s obvious to me the RRC prefers quantity over quality.

            Now the reprobates have taken over… all the way to the top.

            .

          • Donna

            DB –

            Your response supports what I am saying in that Satan’s attacks are evidenced in the RCC and it’s enough to keep you and millions of others out of the True Church. Victory for Satan. Jesus warned us that there would be wolves within. He never said run out and start you own church.

            Instead of watching individuals and judging them, you should be examining your beliefs to see if they square with the Bible and with history. The RCC is the only Church from the days of the Roman Empire. All others were begun by a man or a woman and are only a few hundred years old or less.

          • DB

            .

            Donna & catholicanuck

            I find it strange that neither of you have addressed
            the point I am trying to make in my posts… that is…
            WHY does the RCC do NOTHING to publicly admonish and
            remove open reprobates like Pelosi from their church ??

            In God’s Law, God says over and over again to remove
            evil from your midst.

            Elijah didn’t tolerate evil in his midst… he didn’t
            tolerate the baal priests and try to “convert” them…
            he executed them.

            When King Josiah was told God’s Law, he was aghast…
            because he realized his Israel kingdom was sinning by
            tolerating pagans and sodomites and God would punish
            Josiah’s kingdom for tolerating evil.

            Josiah repented and made amends by immediately removing
            the evildoers and reprobates from his kingdom.

            It is bad enough there are no Christian kingdoms in the
            world today… only satanic secular pluralistic democracies.

            But when the churches follow suit by allowing, tolerating
            and even welcoming evil into the churches… then you know
            the end is near.

            Btw… In Josiah’s day, one of the sins was allowing sodomites
            into the temple. THIS is why God allowed Babylon to destroy
            Jerusalem and Edom to burn the temple. But since King Josiah
            repented and tried to make amends… God delayed that punishment
            during the lifetime of the king. If God only delayed punishment
            on a people who repented and tried to remove the evil they had
            tolerated for so long… what will God do to those who already
            know God’s Law… and the history of King Josiah… have it
            written in their Bibles in their own languages… but still
            refuse to repent and continue not just to tolerate.. but even
            try to justify… allowing evil to remain in their midst.

            .

          • Donna

            DB,

            The Vatican has taken steps to publicly correct Ms. Pelosi.

            From September 2013:

            “According to CNS News and The Wanderer, Cardinal Burke of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, the highest Vatican court, Nancy Pelosi must be denied Communion.”

            “Mrs. Pelosi should be denied Communion until she changes her advocacy views on abortion, Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke said, according to the Western Center for Journalism.

            That’s canon law, not opinion, he said. Canon 915 states that Catholics who are stubbornly contrary “in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to Holy Communion.”

            And Cardinal Burke said Mrs. Pelosi fits the definition.

    • James, you will never make it by loving yourself and loving your neighbor. You are told to love God first. And you know you love God because you obey Him. How do you obey Him? By excepting His Son as your Savior and believing His Words. So simple even a child can understand it. But man comes along and makes it oh so complicated.

      • STL

        Pattiabba: You know that your still believing as the Catholics have instructed you. Because Jesus Christ is literally God but in human form.

        See John 1:1, 14
        2 Peter 1:1
        Phill. 2:5-10

        There is no Son of God, in Exodus 20: 3-5 God says there is no gods before me. If you say their is a Son of God, then Jesus Christ would also be a God?

  • mike watchinski

    When you lay down at night, do you know where you will be if you die in your sleep?

    When you make eye contact with yourself in a mirror, Do you know you are a child of God?

    Only a person saved by simple faith in the Lord Jesus Christ will have unquestionable assurance of salvation.

    Religion will never give you that.

    And please do not call me your brother.

    • Ted Lindblad III

      Nailed it. In Acts 19 (after Isis) it was Diana. Same goddess different name. People are completely deceived. The KJB rightly divided clears it all up; but people believe what they WANT to believe. Always have, always will.

      Can’t you hear them screaming… “Great is Mary of the Catholics!”

      Rev 12:9… “And the great dragin was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, WHICH DECEIVETH THE WHOLE WORLD: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”

    • Ted Lindblad III

      Amen Julie; go to youtube and search Richard Jordan “Through the Bible in Seven Hours” You will love it!

  • Eien

    Looks like the Catholic Church is speeding away from Christianity and towards “Marianism”.

  • STL

    Brother Elly: In Luke 4:8 You shall do homage to the Lord your God: Him alone shall you adore.

    Mark 3: 31-35 Who is my mother, or my brethren? Behold, my mother and my brethren. For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and my mother.

    Matthew 13: 55-56 Is not this the carpenter son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his brethren, James, Joses, Simon, Judas? And sister’s, are they not all with us?

    But the Catholic’s deny this scripture, that Mary only had one son?

    Mark 2:7 Why does Priest’s speak blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God only? But do not you go on Saturday’s, and asked the Priest, forgiveness of your sins, and the priest tell you how many hail mary’s or our father’s to say, to get forgiveness of your sins? Is Priest’s a mediator to God? But Jesus say’s, He the only mediator between mankind and God?

    So whose lieing the Catholic Priest’s or Jesus Christ?

    Why does Catholic’s pray to Joseph, and Mary? These are statues? But in Exodus 20: 3-5 says, Do not worship any other gods besides me. You must never worship or bow down to them.

    Does not Catholic’s bow down on their knees these statues?

  • Ed straub

    Everyone should get the Blessing of reading Revelation, of course all the Bible. We are really in the Gentile age, or the Age of Grace.
    Paul’s Epistle’s are for the Gentile, today. If you want to know about the catholic church read Revelation chapter 17.
    Bless Israel oh Messiah Jesus, come quickly, we are homesick.

    • Ted Lindblad III

      Ed writes… “Paul’s Epistle’s are for the Gentile, today.”

      AMEN Ed!!! So few see how to rightly divide their Bibles. Praise God brother!

  • STL

    EVERYONE: HOW MANY CATHOLIC’S HAVE READ THE HOLY BIBLE FROM COVER TO COVER, GENESIS TO REVELATION?

    IF THEY DIOD, WOULD THEY BELIEVE IN THEIR RELIGION?

  • faithfulservant

    it is truly a shame that anti-Catholics will believe anything, as long as it alleges the Church of our Lord in a bad light… of course this is not being planned…that would be blasphemous … we worship the Triune Godhead alone…and our Blessed Mother specializes in leading people to Her Divine Son and into His Church

    • STL

      Faithful servant: You say anti-catholics believe anything. would you consider the scriptures of the Holy bible to be wrong?

      Because I have not seen you or Brother Elly use any scripture’s to prove your point in your beliefs?

      If you can prove4 your belief by scriptures but you know you can not do that?

    • Ross

      @faithfulservant

      The Catholic Church does a good enough job casting itself in a negative light:

      -Selling of indulgences (forgiveness of sins)
      -Pedophilia (child rape) on a massive scale
      -Sermons only in Latin for centuries to keep the people ignorant
      -Holocaust against true Christians for centuries
      -Forbidding priests to marry to keep wealth and power consolidated in the hands of the Catholic Church
      -Changing God’s 10 Commandments to exclude the commandment of not having idols (self explanatory really)

      Need I go on?

      Matthew 7:16 – “You shall know them by their fruits”

  • DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST:

    PEACE AND BLESSINGS BE WITH,

    I WILL PRAY THE HOLY ROSARY FOR EVERYONE WHO PARTICIPATED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS ON THE MOTHER OF GOD, MARY.

    MAY YOU ALL BE FILLED BY THE HOLY GHOST. AMEN.

    • MelIsa

      1 Timothy 2:5

      5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

    • STL

      Keith: We respect our mothers, but do we bow down to her and pray to your mothers?

      That’s the difference, we respect our mothers, but we do not pray to them, but we pray for them to Jesus Christ our living God.

      • pine

        STL, Should we pray for one another or not?

        James 5:16 says “Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective”

        If we leave aside the Blessed Virgin Mary for a moment, then can we ask another human to pray for us as per James 5:16? Who among us is righteous when Romans 3:23 says “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”?

        • Ted Lindblad III

          Simply look up a few verses.

          3:21(a)… “But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifest,…” 22(b) “unto all and upon all them that believe:”

          How is that possible?

          3:24… “Being justified FREELY by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:”

          3:25(a)… “Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare HIS righteousness…”

          3:26(a)… “To declare, I say, at this time, HIS righteousness:…”

          There are none righteous indeed (Mary included), BUT BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB.

          Praying for one another is always correct but not via James as the book of James is not written to the church which is His body. James 1:1… “James, a servant of God and the Lord Jesus Christ, TO THE TWELVE TRIBES WHICH ARE SCATTERED ABROAD, greeting.” We (at least I) are not a member of any tribe, pine.

          Paul, our Apostle says to pray without ceasing.

          • pine

            Ted, I find it interesting that you state James as being written to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad. By this reasoning, St. Paul’s letter is exclusively to the saints at Rome 🙂 See Romans 1:7 “To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ” Are you any of us saints of Rome or a member of that congregation?

            If none are righteous and Romans 3:24 says we are justified by grace, then why would Angel Gabriel greet the Blessed Virgin Mary in Luke 1:28 as “Hail full of grace”?? How can she be unrighteous and be full of grace??

            I agree that we are to pray without ceasing, but this doesn’t imply we cannot pray to the saints in heaven. Or do you believe our relationship with them automatically stops the minute they passed away? How would you explain Jesus praying and then speaking with Moses and Elijah (Luke 9:29-31)? Didn’t Moses die and was buried in Moab (Deuteronomy 4:5-6) ? and wasn’t Elijah taken up to heaven (2 Kings 2:11)?

          • Ted Lindblad III

            “By this reasoning, St. Paul’s letter is exclusively to the saints at Rome”

            That would be correct, in a sense. Paul, as the chosen Apostle to reveal the capstone of God’s revelation to man, in the form of the Mystery kept secret since the world began (Eph 3) was speaking directly to people now outside of the Kingdom doctrine. James is specifically speaking to Jews, Paul is speaking to Jews and Gentiles, now that there is no difference, as the middle wall of partition between the two (circumcision) has come down.

            I do not necessarily expect you to just “buy what I’m selling” but if you should choose to examine further, get on YouTube and look up Richard Jordan “Through the Bible in Seven Hours” and learn HOW to read your Bible. I promise you it will be well worth the time invested. The most important thing for any Christian is learning what is written directly TO you as doctrine to follow (Paul’s epistles) and what is written for your understanding of who God is and how we got where we are today (the rest of the Bible).

            “Are you any of us saints of Rome or a member of that congregation?”

            Answer: yes I am. I am a member of the church – the body of Christ (found only in Paul’s epistles). I am not a member of those waiting for God’s Kingdom come “on earth as it is in Heaven”. The earthly Kingdom is not for today’s believers, the Heavenly places are (Eph 1:3, Col 3:1-3).

            “I agree that we are to pray without ceasing, but this doesn’t imply we cannot pray to the saints in heaven.”

            Since the saints in Heaven can do nothing for me as mere created beings, it avails me not to pray to them. I pray to God Himself. To pray TO any other being is to elevate the creature above, or at least make him equal to, the Creator. This is what satan has always wanted from the beginning: to cause man to believe he can be as His Creator.

            Gen 3:5… “…Ye shall be as gods…”

            It is the ultimate universal lie. satan demands worship, as his goal is to be as the Most High (Isaiah 14:13-14). he gets that worship when a created being like myself worships anything other than the Creator God of the King James Bible. When anti-christ eventually appears, he will seem to BE christ to Israel first and then the rest of the world. The world is going to believe him because he has done such a fine job deluding people away from simple belief in what God say’s clearly in His Book (for English speaking people like us, the KJB).

            To pray TO Mary (or any saint) is to make her equal with God and this will not stand.

            Here is what I consider to be the ultimate test of Biblical accuracy… or to answer the question “what Bible should I study?”

            Examine Galatians 2:7 in the King James. Count the number of gospels in the verse. There are two, one to the circumcision and one to the uncircumcision. One Peter had and one Paul had. There was “good news” for both groups of people. Yes, I know this is new “news” to nearly everybody and this lack of information is the single cause of the mixed up state of “Christianity” as a whole today. If your Bible combines the two, it has been satanically altered to prevent you from knowing and understanding exactly who you are IN CHRIST. It will prevent you from realizing the parenthetical nature of Paul’s epistles. Paul WAS NOT just another apostle. He was given information no other apostle, no other man in history, was ever given. To him was give the information we are all supposed to possess today, but exceeding few actually do. That is a testimony to the effectiveness of satan’s plot against man and God.

            Be a Berean (Acts 17:11) and see for yourself if what I say is true!

            Or… just ignore me. Up to you.

            Peace…

        • STL

          Pine: But still we can pray for others but through Jesus Christ, as we asked Jesus Christ to help others we pray for, but bowing down to another person or statue is wrong.

          • STL

            PINE: WHEN YOU GO IN FRONT OF A PRIEST, DO NOT YOU BOW ON KNEE TO HIM, OR THE POPE DO NOT YOU BOW ONE KNEE TO HIM?

            BUT GOD IN EXODUS 20: 3-5 SAY WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BOW TO ANYONE ACCEPT GOD, SO ARE YOU SAYING PRIEST’S AND THE POPE IS A GOD?

          • DB

            .

            STL

            How do you explain this verse where Israel
            bowed to both God and God’s Anointed King
            [a tradition that continued for millennia
            in Christian monarchies]

            ” And David said to all the congregation,
            Now bless the LORD your God. And all the
            congregation blessed the LORD God of their
            fathers, and bowed down their heads, and
            worshipped the LORD, and the king. ”

            I Chronicles 29:20 KJV

            .

          • pine

            I am not against prayer at all STL 🙂 We need it even more in these times.

            However, I think as we distance ourselves from the culture and environment in which Jesus lived, we miss many details. Most countries today are constitutional democracies, but if we step back a few hundred years, most if not all countries were monarchies. How would people present themselves in front of noblemen or Kings in those time periods? I agree there is a tendency to deify Kings and sometimes Kings may think they are Gods. But would you say that the people who bowed down in front of Kings were worshiping them? Also if statues are all wrong, why do we have memorials? Again I do not deny there is a tendency to worship idols, but from the Catholic perspective no Catholic is worshiping an idol. There is a distinction between veneration of sacred images and idol worship. Think of the Ark of the Covenant, didn’t it have carvings of Cherubim (Exodus 25:18–20)?

  • Robert

    17 “‘In the last days, God says,
    I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
    Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
    your young men will see visions,
    your old men will dream dreams.
    18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
    I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
    and they will prophesy.
    19 I will show wonders in the heavens above
    and signs on the earth below,
    blood and fire and billows of smoke.
    20 The sun will be turned to darkness
    and the moon to blood
    before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
    21 And everyone who calls
    on the name of the Lord will be saved.’[c]

    Notice it says everyone who calls upon the Name of The LORD, not the name of Mary, Joseph, Brothers & Sisters and surely not the POPE! . Scripture is very clear!

  • Robert

    Ephesians 1:22-23

    22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

  • Robert

    Under what authority did the POPE have to state you are not a christian or obtain salvation unless you are part of the Catholic Church?(NONE), is the pope saying convert or you will die with that statement?

    Ephesians 1:22-23

    22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

    • DB

      .

      Mystery Babylon is the satanic antichrist global NWO.

      The seven hills are the seven continents of the planet…
      and the waters upon which Mystery Babylon sits are the
      seven seas of the planet.

      Btw… the seven rays on the Statue of Liberty’s crown
      symbolize rule over the seven continents and seven seas.
      And this is exactly the ruling position of one beast empire,
      the USA… and that rule began in 1945, at the end of WW2.

      Yet another reason for my belief = 1945 – 2015 = 70 year
      Mystery Babylonian captivity.

      .

      • MRH

        “Mystery Babylon is the satanic antichrist global NWO”

        @DB: Well at least we are in agreement on this topic 😀

        http://aeroventure.com/REVELATION/MYSTERY-BABYLON.htm

        P.S. NTEB and most others think it’s the Catholic Church 🙄

        • DB

          .

          Most churches these days are apostate.

          Many of the Protestants here strain at gnats and swallow camels.
          They condemn the RCC for worshipping Mary… while they worship
          antichrist jews.

          .

          • Ted Lindblad III

            All “religion” is man’s religion. Catholics are equally as anti Christ as are apostate Jews as are muslims as are hindus, etc. All worship the creature (man, beast, creeping thing, “nature”) in some form or another.

            Christianity today, as revealed to the Apostle to the Gentiles (Paul) by the Risen and Glorified Christ, is the complete absence of religion. It is simple and complete trust in the faith OF Christ. It is Christ’s own faithfulness to the work His Father put before Him that a Christian must have belief and trust in, in order to even BE a Christian. There is NO THING a Christian can DO to assist in, improve upon or help complete his eternal salvation. We are imperfect no matter what we do. Imperfection can not stand in the presence of Perfection or Perfection ceases to be Perfect. It is the “putting on” of Christ through faith in His blood which allows God to see me through “Christ colored glasses”. Romans chapter 5.

            Paul received the capstone of progressive revelation from God to man. The “be all/end all” of God’s message to mankind, if you will. It is through the epistles of Paul alone where we find the “marching orders” for Christianity today.

            God today is NOT imputing mans trespasses unto him. His wrath is temporarily abated. A Christian today is a simple ambassador of Gods reconciliation to fallen man. Nothing more and nothing less. His wrath will be felt the world over soon enough. Most people do not want what God has provided, they ultimately want themselves.

            2 Cor 5:17-21…

            “17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

            18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

            19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

            20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.

            21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”

            God has reconciled Himself to this world of sin through the shed blood of His Son, Jesus Christ and no other. Be ye reconciled to Him by accepting His most precious gift. Put religion away. Stand on what God through Christ has done for you.

            Read. Believe. Live.

        • MRH

          “Most churches these days are apostate”

          @DB: Simply put, Satan rules this world, and including churches. And the dark trend will continue until the end. The majority of the populace are blind zombies unto satanic; government, economy, and religion 😯

          P.S. Anyway, I know much more about end times than you might think 😀

    • Rad Rad Robot

      The Essenes are cool. I wish there was an Essene revival movement.

    • pine

      Deb, as I wrote to another person in this blog, your reasoning is no better than the muslims who demand that the Bible shows an explicit verse where Jesus says I am God and worship me. Can you prove it ??

      • STL

        Pine: Good comment.

        So where does it say, that Jesus Christ is God?

        John 1:1,14

        2nd Peter 1:1

        Phill. 2: 5-10

        Do you want me to continue?

        • pine

          As a Catholic, I believe that Jesus is God.

          But my question was far more direct – Show me an explicit verse where Jesus says I am God and worship me. Can you find this quote in any of the 4 gospels?

          When you cant find such a quote, how do you infer Jesus is God and Mary is a sinner? Are we picking and choosing verses like the muslims to fit our beliefs?

    • pine

      James the Catholic church goes by both the Bible and Tradition. The Catholic church is not twisting anything.

      Now you ask why the Blessed Virgin Mary needed a Savior? OK, so if if Blessed Virgin Mary was a sinner, then how did God prevent Jesus from inheriting Original Sin?

      Of course Bible translations will vary on this verse, but Luke 1:28 says “And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.” In the original language Greek, this greeting was kaire, kekaritomene or “Hail, full of grace”

      Can a person who is “full of grace” be in sin?

      The Blessed Virgin Mary was redeemed by the grace of Christ.

      • STL

        PINE: EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON JESUS CHRIST FOR SALVATION, RECIEVE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE FULL OF GRACE, IT THE HOLY SPIRIT.

        • pine

          Really!! And how many people were visited by Angel Gabriel where he said “Hail Full of Grace”??

          Are you equating yourself or all of us humans to the Blessed Virgin Mary?

      • STL

        Pine: My Grandmother always carried her Missle that had prayers in it designed by the Catholic Church, but she never carry a KJV Bible to church or had a KJV Bible in her house.

        • pine

          I am not sure what the circumstances were during the time of your grandmother. Most catholic homes if they could afford the Bible, would keep one. Today we have an abundance of paper and many Bibles in the church are handled quite poorly 🙁

          STL, the Catholic Church goes through the entire Bible over a span of 3 years. Thus even if one did not have a copy of the Bible, they could be sure that the entire Bible would be read. Also in the past many Catholics would attend mass daily and I believe even Protestants would attend daily worship. Modern lifestyle has separated us from attending mass and we are gradually distancing ourselves from hearing scripture and applying it to our lives 🙁

  • DB

    .

    I just discovered something else that might
    support my 2015 belief.

    Pelosi said that if the GOP wins congress in
    November, the world as we know it will end.

    The new congress is sworn in January 2015.

    .

    • MRH

      We shall see, but I doubt but more of same weird deceptions 🙄

      Anyway, my email contact is; mkhodge@sonic.net

      P.S. The NTEB blog isn’t a very good venue for complex conversation 🙁

      • MRH

        Just be sure to identify yourself from NTEB. I’m Mark 😀

        • DB

          .

          Did you get my email ?

          .

          • MRH

            😀

  • LauraR

    I do believe Mary has her place, but not as part of the Trinity; as the word Trinity means three, not four. I also believe she has performed miracles, and has even appeared to me, when my sister needed some prayers answered for her health. She re-assured me that my sister was going to be ok, and sure enough, she’s doing great, today. I see nothing wrong with praying to Mary; specifically for any heath reasons, but I do not believe in worshiping her.

    I don’t trust this pope. There’s just something about him; and I can’t explain it.

  • Donna

    Always disappointed when NTEB takes the words of the pope and twists them. Where in the pope’s words is he elevating Mary to the status of the trinity? Everything the pope said is correct.

    The harlot is Jerusalem. God compares Jerusalem to a harlot in the old testament, and Jesus says, “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.”

    Also, Jesus addresses Mary as “WOMAN” at least twice: “Woman, what have I to do with thee” and “Woman, behold thy son…” It is very significant that he calls his own mother “Woman”, isn’t it?

    “I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.” Genesis 3:15

    • Donna

      I meant to say the Jews are the harlot. Not Jerusalem. It was the Jews who crucified our Lord and murdered the first saints. And they were the ones who told Pilate they had no king except for Caesar. The city is Rome, and the Jews turned to the Roman government in order to carry out their desire to kill Jesus. Thus, the harlot sitting on the beast.

      • DB

        .

        It’s important to know that not all who
        called themselves “jews” at the time of
        Christ were Israelites.

        Secular history [Josephus] tells us in
        the 2nd century BC, Edom [the enemy of
        Israel] lost a war against Israel then
        FAKED “conversion” so they could live in
        the Kingdom of Israel as “jews”… EDOM
        is the fake jew synagogue of satan spoken
        about in Rev 2:9 and 3:9. It was Herod,
        the Edomite-jew that Rome placed in power,
        who murdered the babes of Bethlehem to try
        to destroy the Christ child. WHY? Because
        Herod believed the wise men and believed
        Israel’s Messiah had been born and Herod
        wanted Him DEAD !!

        Because the title “jew” was so corrupted…
        as it says in the book of Acts, Israelites
        who followed Christ became known as Christians.
        This fulfilled the prophecy in Isaiah 65:15
        that says God would curse the name, kill them
        [Titus 70 AD], and call His servants by another name.

        .

        • Donna

          Rad Rad Robert –

          “You pray for your savior to return and spirit you away while the rest of us burn. You want G-d to pour out his judgment?”

          Consider that God has poured His judgment on the Jewish nation. This scene in the Book of Revelation has taken place. The Jews (harlot)turned to the Roman government(beast) to have Jesus killed. Jesus warned the Jews and told his disciples that destruction would come upon Jerusalem for the people’s faithlessness and it did: in 70 A.D. under future emperor Titus.

          That is not to say that there will not be a future event. The RCC teaches that there will be an anti-Christ, but who he is remains to be seen. Even in the book of Revelation we read that it is riddle to be figured out (Revelation 17). People have been speculating about the antichrist since the beginning.

          Matthew 23:35-37

          35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

          37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

      • Rad Rad Robot

        Ah, the fruits of Christian “love”. Amazing how a religion with a prophet who advocated such a high standard of morality has so many followers with hate in their hearts. You’re already deciding who is “antichrist”. Is it the Church, the “sodomites”, the JEWS? You pray for your savior to return and spirit you away while the rest of us burn. You want G-d to pour out his judgment?
        Be careful what you wish for.

        • Rad Rad Robot

          Myself, I think I’ll pray for G-d’s mercy.

          • Ted Lindblad III

            If you’re praying FOR it, then you don’t HAVE it, as God has already GIVEN it, you just don’t KNOW it.

            Read carefully Romans chapters 3 and 5.

          • Rad Rad Robot

            G-d is infinitely merciful. He doesn’t need a human to die for his mercy to reach the world. He doesn’t need a blood sacrifice, or a divine preexistent “son”.

          • Ted Lindblad III

            “of course everyone with a religion believes their religion is true”

            And that’s the problem. I believe a Book. You believe a religion. The Book says religion = bad. I say ok.

            You don’t read the scripture you say you believe. Man’s religion is unclean because it relies on man. I’ve touched on all your “points” er, unbelief. You make your own decisions… believe man or God. I’ve made mine. My hands are clean. Sleep well.

            2 Cor 6:14-18… sobering Words indeed, which I follow:

            “14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

            15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

            16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

            17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

            18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.”

        • Ted Lindblad III

          Rad writes…

          “…a religion with a prophet…”

          This is what you think of “Christianity” because this is what satan has made of “Christianity” through confusion, false teaching and perverted scripture.

          Bible Christianity is the complete 100% absence of religion. It is complete and total faith in what God says, when He says it and to whom. What He says to us is “cease and desist from everything, just believe that I did it all on your behalf”.

          It is not a despicable “religion with a prophet” as you believe.

          • Rad Rad Robot

            You didn’t address any of the points I made… of course everyone with a religion believes their religion is true.

    • Rad Rad Robot

      The Jews will not go quietly this time. We’d sooner make Hitler prime minister than give the Roman Catholic Church Jerusalem.

      אם אשכחך ירושלם תשכח ימיני תדבק לשוני לחכי אם לא אזכרכי אם לא אעלה את ירושאלם על ראש סמחתי

      Seems Catholics never change.

  • STL

    Donna: Enjoy your life on earth, because truely, your heading to hell and their no have way for you.

    • DB

      STL

      lol – well… I guess I’m going to your version
      of hell with Donna because what she posted about
      the jews makes perfect sense.

      Do all of you see what is happening here ?

      The RCC embraces false doctrine regarding Mary…
      causing other Christians to dishonor Mary.

      Either way the antichrists win… antichrists who
      many here love to worship… antichrists who blaspheme
      Christ and insult Mary in their satanic talmud. Luther
      hated that jew book so much he wanted them all burned.

      .

      • Rad Rad Robot

        “That Jew book”… at least you’re right about something. Christians have hated Jews a lot. But as for the Talmud? Blaspheming Christ and insulting Mary? Sorry, but those quotes are fake and created by Jew haters. The Talmud scarcely mentions either.

    • Rad Rad Robot

      Jews don’t really believe in Hellfire (it’s a pagan greek concept). We believe that the just are resurrected (that’s where the Jesus resurrection story comes from) and that the wicked simply die. We do believe in a purgatory of sorts as a gray area but not one you stay in for eternity. “Heaven”, on the other hand, is how close your spirit is to that of G-d’s.

      Anyway, my point is that if you’re trying to defend us or something don’t bother. Seriously… people are irrational when it comes to these things. G-d bless. As for Donna, may you find happiness.

  • STL

    OOPS= have=half

    • Robert

      Ryan Nguyen do you know what persecution is? Are you really going to say poor souls to those who understand the truth?

      Under what authority did the POPE have to state you are not a christian or obtain salvation unless you are part of the Catholic Church?(NO Authority Given by Christ to the Pope), is the pope saying convert or you will die with that statement?

      Ephesians 1:22-23

      22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

      Notice Scripture is very clear about calling on the name of the Lord, everyone who calls upon the Name of The LORD shall be saved, not the name of Mary, Joseph, Brothers & Sisters in Christ and surely not the POPE!

      There is no Queen of Heaven and in no place has scripture ever stated so or to worship any other than Christ the True Word of God!

    • DB

      .

      Yes, God forbids attempts to communicate with the dead…
      which is pointless anyway because as the Bible says over
      and over and over again… the dead are “asleep”.. they
      are unconscious awaiting their resurrection.

      Here at the end of this satanic age, communicating with the
      dead, ghosts, etc has become a popular social media topic.
      There are tons of TV shows and movies about the very thing
      God forbids. In addition, there are tons of horrible zombie
      films. The concept of zombies is a direct antichrist attack
      on fundamental Christian doctrine, the resurrection of the dead.

      .

  • Ted Lindblad III

    “Will they be raptured with us?”

    IF they are saved, they will leave this world before Gods wrath is shed upon it. The saving gospel today can be found in:

    1 Cor 15:1-4… “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”

    Romans 4:25… “Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.”

    Ephesians 2:8-9… “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

    Salvation is so very simple. Christ + nothing. IF they honestly believed these verses however, these Words of God, they would very likely not be attending a catholic church. It is up to you as a very close person in their lives, and as an ambassador of Christ, to make sure they see these things clearly. It is not easy and not always successful. God did make us with the free will to either choose to believe what He said, or not. Many (most even) choose incorrectly. I am in the same position as you are, and many members of my own family too, are relying on their “good works and deeds” believing themselves “good enough” that God would “allow” them into Heaven. This is not the way reality works. A person either has the Son, or he does not. “Fruit” is not the issue of salvation. The recognition of oneself as a sinner in desperate need of a Savior is step one.

    I can point you in the direction of some very excellent Bible teachings which will begin to equip you well if you like. My recommendation for all people always is to study very carefully the book of Romans, outlined as follows:

    1) 1 – 8… Doctrinal. The cross-work of Christ on our behalf.
    a) 1:18 – 3:20… The condemnation of ALL men.
    b) 3:21 – 5:11… Justification of the believer.
    c) 5:12 – 8:39… Sanctification and Glorification!
    2) 9 – 11… Status of national Israel during dispensation of Grace.
    3) 12 – 16… Practical application of Grace to the believer.

    • Rad Rad Robot

      How could you invoke the name of G-d with ill will like that?

      “Do not rejoice when your enemy falls and do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles; or the Lord will see and be displeased and turn His anger away from him.”

      Proverbs 24:17-18

    • Rad Rad Robot

      “Grace” is such a silly concept. There is nowhere in the Hebrew bible where G-d favors an unrepenting man. G-d is infinitely merciful, yes—but also infinitely just.

      • Ted Lindblad III

        ““Grace” is such a silly concept.”

        A statement made in complete ignorance.

        Gen 6:8… “But Noah found GRACE in the eyes of the Lord.”

        Romans 3:24… “Being justified freely by His GRACE through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:”

        Wanted to go from the beginning to the end of God’s revelation to man to demonstrate His Grace to His creation throughout time. There are so many more examples it is astounding that such a comment could be made.

        Best of all look at the salvation of Paul himself on the road to Damascus in Acts 9:1-6. Paul was as unrepentant as anyone ever was; “And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord,…”

        • Robert

          The key there was unrepentant man, how could a unrepentant man receive grace?

          Many understand the term repentance to mean “turning from sin.” This is not the biblical definition of repentance. In the Bible, the word repent means “to change one’s mind.” The Bible also tells us that true repentance will result in a change of actions (Luke 3:8-14; Acts 3:19). Acts 26:20 declares, “I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.” The full biblical definition of repentance is a change of mind that results in a change of action.

          • Robert

            Infinitely Merciful, yes—but also Infinitely Just is also very correct.

            “Rejoice over her, you heavens!
            Rejoice, you people of God!
            Rejoice, apostles and prophets!
            For God has judged her
            with the judgment she imposed on you.”

            Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.

          • Rad Rad Robot

            That’s the King James version. The hebrew translates more accurately to “favor”, because, as you would know, “Noah was in his generations a man righteous and whole-hearted”. He wasn’t a bad guy who was randomly saved.

          • Robert

            True! 🙂

          • Rad Rad Robot

            🙂

          • Ted Lindblad III

            “how could a unrepentant man receive grace”

            The very definition of grace is unmerited or undeserved favor. If I “deserved” God’s blessing, it would then be a debt God owed me and NOT grace (Rom 4:4).

            I agree with your definition of repentance; however, grace comes first. Repentance follows grace freely given. His grace is what alters my heart toward repentance and “good deeds” which naturally follow. This is something the law could never do.

            Example…

            Paul, on the road to Damascus, was anything BUT repentant. He was the first “enemy of God” (Rom 5:10) to receive God’s grace freely given.

            1 Tim 1:15-16… “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; OF WHOM I AM CHIEF. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that IN ME FIRST Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.”

            Praise God for grace freely given!

          • Robert

            Romans 2:4

            4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?

    • Robert

      Donna Ram do you know what persecution is? Are you really going to say others need help for knowing the truth?

      Under what authority did the POPE have to state you are not a christian or obtain salvation unless you are part of the Catholic Church?(NO Authority Given by Christ to the Pope), is the pope saying convert or you will die with that statement?

      Ephesians 1:22-23

      22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

      • Robert

        Notice Scripture is very clear about calling on the name of the Lord, everyone who calls upon the Name of The LORD shall be saved, not the name of Mary, Joseph, Brothers & Sisters in Christ and surely not the POPE!

        There is no Queen of Heaven and in no place has scripture ever stated so or to worship any other than Christ the True Word of God!

        • What about the part where those who call “Lord! Lord” will not be known?

          • Ted Lindblad III

            These are those who, in the last days, fail to heed Gen 3:12 to bless the Jews. Notice carefully neither side (sheep or goats) understand how they have either received or not received the blessing to enter into God’s earthly Kingdom.

  • STL

    PINE: YOU SAID TO PROVE IT TO YOU THAT JESUS CHRIST IS GOD?

    MATTHEW 1:23 YOU SHALL CALL HIM IMMANUEL ” GOD WITH US.”

    IS. 9:6 CHILD IS BORN, UNTO US A SON IS GIVEN, HIS NAME MIGHTY GOD.

    IS. 44:6=2 PETER 1:1 OUR GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.

    JOHN 1:3= COL. 1:16 JESUS MADE ALL THINGS.

    JOHN 1:1 IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, WORD WAS WITH GOD AND THE WORD WAS GOD= JOHN 1:14 AND THE WORD BECAME FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US.

    JOHN 5: 17-18 JESUS IS EQUAL TO GOD.

    JOHN 10:30 I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.

    JOHN 14: 9-11 HE WHO HAS SEEN ME HAS SEEN THE FATHER.

    JOHN 20:28 THOMAS SAID, MY LORD AND MY GOD

    ACTS 20.28 GOD PURCHASED US IN HIS BLOOD= REV. 1: 5-6 JESUS BLOOD PURCHASED US.

    PHILL. 2: 5-7 CHRIST JESUS WHO BEING IN THE FORM OF GOD.

    1 TIM. 3:16 GOD WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH.

    TITUS 2:13 GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.

    PINE IT SEEM YOU HAVE NOT READ KJV BIBLE AT ALL, AND YOUR BELIEVING IN YOUR POPE FRANCIS FOR THE TRUETH. BUT GOD SAYS, DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE WISDOM OF MEN BUT IN THE POWER OF GOD.

    • Robert

      Oh and there is The Holy Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) are 3 separate positions and are 1.

      You shall serve Christ and only Christ as Scripture is also very clear you cannot serve 2 masters,

      🙂

      • So Jesus was not telling the truth when He said “I and my Father are one”?

        • Robert

          Am I missing something?

          • It sounded like you were saying Christ was not God. I was questioning this.

    • pine

      STL thank you for the verses. As a Catholic I believe Jesus is God. I have responded to your comment on the question “prove that Jesus said he is God and worship him” in another comment. I also believe in Catholic tradition and hence Pope Francis would be the vicar of Christ. I am also aware that there were many evil Popes just as there were good Popes.

  • Robert

    But while Peter was central in the early spread of the gospel (part of the meaning behind Matthew 16:18-19), the teaching of Scripture, taken in context, nowhere declares that he was in authority over the other apostles, or over the church (having primacy). See Acts 15:1-23; Galatians 2:1-14; and 1 Peter 5:1-5. Nor is it ever taught in Scripture that the bishop of Rome, or any other bishop, was to have primacy over the church. Scripture does not even explicitly record Peter even being in Rome. Rather there is only one reference in Scripture of Peter writing from “Babylon,” a name sometimes applied to Rome (1 Peter 5:13).

    • Robert

      Ephesians 1:22-23

      22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

  • Robert

    Also, nowhere does Scripture state that, in order to keep the church from error, the authority of the apostles was passed on to those they ordained (the idea behind apostolic succession). Apostolic succession is “read into” those verses that the Roman Catholic Church uses to support this doctrine (2 Timothy 2:2; 4:2-5; Titus 1:5; 2:1; 2:15; 1 Timothy 5:19-22). Paul does NOT call on believers in various churches to receive Titus, Timothy, and other church leaders based on their authority as bishops or their having apostolic authority, but rather based upon their being fellow laborers with him (1 Corinthians 16:10; 16:16; 2 Corinthians 8:23).

    What Scripture DOES teach is that false teachings would arise even from among church leaders, and that Christians were to compare the teachings of these later church leaders with Scripture, which alone is infallible (Matthew 5:18; Psalm 19:7-8; 119:160; Proverbs 30:5; John 17:17; 2 Peter 1:19-21). The Bible does not teach that the apostles were infallible, apart from what was written by them and incorporated into Scripture. Paul, in talking to the church leaders in the large city of Ephesus, makes note of coming false teachers. To fight against their error does NOT commend them to “the apostles and those who would carry on their authority”; rather, Paul commends them to “God and to the word of His grace” (Acts 20:28-32). It is Scripture that was to be the infallible measuring stick for teaching and practice (2 Timothy 3:16-17), not apostolic successors. It is by examining the Scriptures that teachings are shown to be true or false (Acts 17:10-12).

    Was Peter the first pope? The answer, according to Scripture, is a clear and emphatic “no.” Peter nowhere claims supremacy over the other apostles. Nowhere in his writings (1 and 2 Peter) did the Apostle Peter claim any special role, authority, or power over the church. Nowhere in Scripture does Peter, or any other apostle, state that their apostolic authority would be passed on to successors. Yes, the Apostle Peter had a leadership role among the disciples. Yes, Peter played a crucial role in the early spread of the gospel (Acts chapters 1-10). Yes, Peter was the “rock” that Christ predicted he would be (Matthew 16:18). However, these truths about Peter in no way give support to the concept that Peter was the first pope, or that he was the “supreme leader” over the apostles, or that his authority would be passed on to the bishops of Rome. Peter himself points us all to the true Shepherd and Overseer of the church, the Lord Jesus Christ (1 Peter 2:25).

    • Robert

      Where does the bible state the Church is or has the Authority? What is the biblical definition of the Church? Also if you have any information that truly supports that Peter was truly the first Pope I would consider looking at it, READ the information I have given as it gives a very clear picture of the truth including Ephesians 1:22-23 in regards to the True Church.

      Under what authority did the POPE have to state that Christians are not a christian or obtain salvation unless they are part of the Catholic Church?(NO Authority Given by Christ to the Pope), is the pope saying convert or you will die with that statement?

      Ephesians 1:22-23

      22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

      But while Peter was central in the early spread of the gospel (part of the meaning behind Matthew 16:18-19), the teaching of Scripture, taken in context, nowhere declares that he was in authority over the other apostles, or over the church (having primacy). See Acts 15:1-23; Galatians 2:1-14; and 1 Peter 5:1-5. Nor is it ever taught in Scripture that the bishop of Rome, or any other bishop, was to have primacy over the church. Scripture does not even explicitly record Peter even being in Rome. Rather there is only one reference in Scripture of Peter writing from “Babylon,” a name sometimes applied to Rome (1 Peter 5:13).

      Also, nowhere does Scripture state that, in order to keep the church from error, the authority of the apostles was passed on to those they ordained (the idea behind apostolic succession). Apostolic succession is “read into” those verses that the Roman Catholic Church uses to support this doctrine (2 Timothy 2:2; 4:2-5; Titus 1:5; 2:1; 2:15; 1 Timothy 5:19-22). Paul does NOT call on believers in various churches to receive Titus, Timothy, and other church leaders based on their authority as bishops or their having apostolic authority, but rather based upon their being fellow laborers with him (1 Corinthians 16:10; 16:16; 2 Corinthians 8:23).

      What Scripture DOES teach is that false teachings would arise even from among church leaders, and that Christians were to compare the teachings of these later church leaders with Scripture, which alone is infallible (Matthew 5:18; Psalm 19:7-8; 119:160; Proverbs 30:5; John 17:17; 2 Peter 1:19-21). The Bible does not teach that the apostles were infallible, apart from what was written by them and incorporated into Scripture. Paul, in talking to the church leaders in the large city of Ephesus, makes note of coming false teachers. To fight against their error does NOT commend them to “the apostles and those who would carry on their authority”; rather, Paul commends them to “God and to the word of His grace” (Acts 20:28-32). It is Scripture that was to be the infallible measuring stick for teaching and practice (2 Timothy 3:16-17), not apostolic successors. It is by examining the Scriptures that teachings are shown to be true or false (Acts 17:10-12).

      Was Peter the first pope? The answer, according to Scripture, is a clear and emphatic “no.” Peter nowhere claims supremacy over the other apostles. Nowhere in his writings (1 and 2 Peter) did the Apostle Peter claim any special role, authority, or power over the church. Nowhere in Scripture does Peter, or any other apostle, state that their apostolic authority would be passed on to successors. Yes, the Apostle Peter had a leadership role among the disciples. Yes, Peter played a crucial role in the early spread of the gospel (Acts chapters 1-10). Yes, Peter was the “rock” that Christ predicted he would be (Matthew 16:18). However, these truths about Peter in no way give support to the concept that Peter was the first pope, or that he was the “supreme leader” over the apostles, or that his authority would be passed on to the bishops of Rome. Peter himself points us all to the true Shepherd and Overseer of the church, the Lord Jesus Christ (1 Peter 2:25).

      • It’s not Peter that ever claimed it but Jesus. Jesus gave him the keys to the kingdom. Clearly, that is a giving of authority as Jesus was preparing to leave the earth. Jesus commanded the apostles to spread the gospel. They did this primarily at first through oral Tradition. This is how the Word spread. The Catholic Church teaches this oral Tradition as well as the Bible are the 2 authorities that lead and guide us through the Holy Spirit. Jesus promised His Church the Holy Spirit – said He would not leave them orphaned. He promised the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church. He promised it, so I believe it. She will be here until the end of time. He told Peter that he was the rock on which he built the foundation of His Church. He told Peter especially and away from the others that he (Peter) could bind heaven and earth and to feed his sheep (again making him the shepherd). These are all the essential foundations for the claim of Peter as the first pope. He is mentioned first throughout the New Testament. He was a sinner. He wasn’t perfect, yet he led the Church. The Catholic Church can name every pope after him until today. They are the only physical Church on earth that can do this.

        The pope does not teach that others are not true Christians. In fact, the Catholic Church teaches the exact opposite. The Catholic Church does not teach that one has to be a member to get into heaven. Those statements, like many things that are being said here, are complete misrepresentations of the Church. Those who have left her do not know her.

      • Might be the part about the Church being the “pillar and bulwark of truth”?

    • Donna

      Anonymous – fantastic!!

    • So that whole bit about the gates of hell never prevailing against the Church, that “never” simply meant until Vatican 2? You do us all a disservice to divide the Church this way. Where the Holy Spirit leads the Church, I will follow.

  • ANDREW

    After many years of research and listening to preaching and ‘advice’ from my friends and relatives and others who are SDA and a mix of other protestant denominations, I have decided that me and my household will follow the Catholic faith, teachings, doctrines and dogmas, until we die. I have seriously prayed over this and God Has clearly shown me that He has no issues with the Catholic faith, He only has issues with individuals, from across the board.

    I will therefore follow all the ‘pagan’ practices of the Catholic church until I die. On judgement day, if God decides that me alongside the 1.2 billion catholics and all those who have existed over the ages go to hell, so be it. Let the others go to Heaven if that is His judgment. I cannot write everything here but I have proven through prayer, including through the ‘blasphemous’ Rosary that in the Catholic Church, if you search Jesus Christ, with a sincere heart, you will find Him and He will welcome you. He will then teach you His ways and you will grow in Him while you still remain a Catholic. For me, leaving the Catholic Church can only be a plan devised by the devil, meant to eventually push me into doubts then into atheism.I cannot venture there.

    God works in His own ways. Even when scandals are rife in the Church, God is still there. Jesus Christ still speaks to people and guides them, in the same Church. Since I was born, every Pope has been either a False Prophet, the Anti Christ or both and the end has always been nearer. All this time, I have been growing in faith and getting nearer and nearer to Jesus and now I am confident to face Him in judgement.

    Even those who oppose Christianity claim that Jesus is nothing but a mythical figure and that Christian practices are just things borrowed from pagan worship, etc etc etc. My point is, that is if this comment will be fully published, I have heard and red everything against Catholicism and anytime I read it, I go and pray seriously. I then come out even stronger and more focused. I then feel even closer to Jesus and more Catholic. I simultaneously pity and pray for those who believe that their place in Heaven will be assured by how hard they fight Catholicism. I can go on and on but in brief, I am and will remain a Catholic. Even if a Pope turns out to be the Anti Christ, that is up to him. Myself I know how to be pro Christ. Let no one dream that suddenly or even gradually, people will empty Catholic Churches and join their movements. The Catholic Church will be there to the end and in any case, even protestants are candidates for hell. All Catholics, remain focused and wait for the final word from God. Even when you feel swayed, remain focused, lest you lose direction, as you will start by questioning Catholic teachings then move on to questioning Christian teachings in general then even go on into questioning Jesus himself. The result will be that you will feel that religion is burdening you unnecessarily and feel that you will be freer and happier without religion. Indeed when you are an atheist, you have few questions to answer and you even might feel ‘happier’ and ‘freer’. You might then totally stop believing and claim that the world would be better without religion. To be safe, hold tightly unto what you have, in this case, the Catholic faith.

    • Ted Lindblad III

      Andrew writes… “All this time, I have been growing in faith and getting nearer and nearer to Jesus and now I am confident to face Him in judgement.”

      Simple question Andrew. In what do you place your confidence? What are you confident in that you will be able to face God at His judgement seat?

      Thank you.

    • Donna

      Yes, to intercede and to mediate do mean the same thing. Look it up on dictionary.com or thesaurus.com.

      This is what you will find: intercede: to attempt to reconcile differences between two people or groups; mediate.

      You and I intercede for our brothers and sisters before God all the time (hopefully).

      Mary interceded for the hosts at the wedding at Cana. She was the one who went to Jesus about the wine. The Apostle Paul tells us to intercede for one another, and finally, in the Book of Revelation, Chapters 5 and 8, we find both elders and angels offering the prayers of the saints to God. Who are these elders if supposedly everyone is dead? Why are they interceding for us if that is a sin?

  • Donna

    Testing

    • DB

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      Exactly… this was also Martin Luther’s life-long position,
      that Mary remained a virgin all her life.

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    • STL

      Anonymous: So you do not believe that the KJV Bible was done by God? Because you just said, the term “brothers and sisters” as used in Jesus times were only cousins or other relatives.

      But the KJV Bible says, listen to these verses correctly?

      Matthew 13:55-56

      Is not this the carpenter son?

      Is not His mother called Mary?

      And His brethren JAMES, JOSES, SIMON, JUDAS?

      And sisters, are they not all with us?

      Brethren means brother, so how can you say that these people as not Jesus brothers.

      The basic problem to Catholics is that you have not ever completely read the KJV Bible?

      How many 1.6 billion catholics attend Catholic Churches every Sunday?

      Your believing what other men has told you to believe and after years of brain-washing, you believe it as the truth.

      But God says, do not believe in the WISDOM OF MEN, but in the POWER OF GOD.

      • Ted Lindblad III

        It is impossible to have intelligent and productive conversations with people who stand on a different foundation.

        Whether you and I agree or disagree on an issue, we have a sure foundation, a common foundation, in the KJV. We might very well come to a mutual understanding after exploring what scripture actually says. When dealing with people who hold “truth” or more accurately “opinion” external to the KJV, there will NEVER be agreement. There can not be because nothing else in the universe agrees with the KJV except the KJV. Period. It alone is perfect, it alone is true. When we quote scripture, they quote man. They are in fundamental disagreement with our position. When we deviate from the sola scriptura position, we open ourselves to the lies of the devil. Argument is fruitless as anyone can see. The conversations are circular and never ending.

        People without the fundamental belief in the Bible are, very simply, believing what they WANT to believe and therefore are in a state of unbelief toward the Bible. It is 100% trust and faith in what God says, or it is not.

        C.R. Stam puts it very well…

        “Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God” (Rom. 10:17).

        This important passage of Scripture is, sad to say, little understood. Many people think of faith in the abstract, as though it had some mysterious power in itself. They speak of faith, but what do they mean? Faith in what? or in whom? Surely it is not possible just to have faith, without something or someone to have faith in.

        Faith is not wishing hard, or feeling confident. It is not optimism or presumption or imagination. Faith must have a basis, a foundation. Thus the Christian’s faith is founded on “the Word of God” — on what God has said in the Bible.

        The above passage explains: “Faith cometh by hearing.” Isn’t that simple? Isn’t it true? Some have said that “seeing is believing,” but a moment’s reflection will reveal that, like the phrase: “I’m from Missouri,” this saying is an expression of unbelief. When we have seen a thing we need no longer believe it; it has been demonstrated to us. But when we hear [or read] a matter reported, we may either believe or doubt it. “Faith cometh by hearing.” And likewise hearing comes through what has been said. We believe, or doubt, what we hear and we hear what has been said. The Christian’s faith, then, comes by hearing (God) and hearing by the Word of God. All true Christian faith is founded on the Word of God.

        Actually the word “hearing,” in Rom. 10:17, however, has the idea of heeding — paying attention, listening eagerly. This is why Gal. 3:5 speaks of “the hearing of faith.” And thus Eph. 1:13, referring to Christ, says: “In whom ye also trusted, having heard the Word of truth, the gospel of your salvation.” Thus, too, we read in John 5:24 the words of the Lord Jesus:

        “HE THAT HEARETH MY WORD, AND BELIEVETH ON HIM THAT SENT ME, HATH EVERLASTING LIFE, AND SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT, BUT IS PASSED FROM DEATH UNTO LIFE.”

        Like it!

        Most importantly, they (most) fail to rightly divide the scriptures. This leads to all the confusion in the “Christian” faith. We must understand what God is saying ***to whom*** He is saying it. Without this most basic understanding the Bible remains a jumble of confusion as does Christianity.

    • Ted Lindblad III

      And there it is.

      Man is the ultimate authority.

      God is not.

      I present to you your catholic church…

      Gen 3:1-6… “Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”

    • You couldn’t be any more wrong about the Catholic Church being the ultimate authority. Their is no man or organization that is above God and the Lord Jesus Christ. I pray for eyes to be opened and ears to hear what the Spirit says in these last day.

      • Scripture itself says the Church is the authority!

        • You need to show me where in the word it says that the church is the authority.

        • Robert

          I did not see anywhere in Scripture where it says the Catholic Church is the Authority? Timothy 3:15, Matthew 16:19 does NOT state that the Church is the Authority.

          What is the Story of the Masons invaded the Catholic Church and making a new religion at the second Vatican council?

    • STL

      Anonymous: Please explain to me, using scriptures in the KJV Bible, how did Mary become sinless before she had Jesus Christ? As we know Jesus Christ was SINLESS!

    • Miguel Hayworth

      We understand perfectly what the RCC teaches and we are stating we reject and oppose it, The RCC does not claim to believe in justification by faith alone through the Gospel alone, it is faith + works (sacraments), we do not believe that the RCC holds to the scripture but says the Bible is uninspired and cannot provide the necessary doctrines of faith and so needs popes, priests etc, the RCC is 1700 years old and has moved away from the practices of the primitive church holding to the claim of new revelations from God in this I may add so did Jim Jones, Joseph Smith, Charles Tez Russel etc all claim as you that we bare false witness because we do not hold to the essential truths in the RCC so called, nor do I believe in Latria and much of its oral traditions that are outside the confines of holy scripture itself.

      May I add the RCC has often contradicted it self on SSM, Evolution and it is a fact THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH REVEALS ITSELF TO BE NOT CHRISTIAN IN HER OWNING TEACHINGS

      Looking at John Paul II’s remarks. “In a major statement of the Roman Catholic Church’s position on the theory of evolution, Pope John Paul II has proclaimed that the theory is ‘more than just a hypothesis’ and that evolution is compatible with Christian faith.” [Chicago Tribune, Friday, 10/25/96, “POPE BOLSTERS CHURCH SUPPORT FOR EVOLUTION”, by Stevenson Swanson, Tribune Staff Writer, Dateline: New York.]

      However, Pope John Paul II traveled even further down this road to Evolution, as reported in this story, above. The journalist, Stevenson Swanson, stated, “The Pope’s message went much further in accepting the theory of evolution as a valid explanation of the development of life on Earth, with one major exception: the human soul. ‘If the human body has its origin in living material which preexists it, the spiritual soul is immediately created by God’, the Pope said.”

      In other words, the Pope is saying that the world we see all around us is immensely old, just as Evolutionists have been telling us, but that, at some moment in this Evolutionary cycle, God intervened to produce the soul of man. This Interventionist Theory of Evolution is standard New Age rhetoric. In fact, this interventionist theory has now progressed so far that some New Age writers are suggesting that the “God” who intervened in human history once the world had evolved enough to sustain life, were aliens from other solar systems. I wonder how long it will Pope John Paul II to reach this conclusion, also?

      we took note of the fact that this statement flatly contradicts the clear teaching in the current Catechism. We encourage you to read the statements from the Catechism, which we reprint in this article, because the Catechism seems to clearly and boldly state that this world was created by God.

      Yet, as we also point out, the Catechism leaves the door slightly ajar on the issue of Evolution. It is this through slightly opened door that Pope John Paul II seems to be driving an Evolutionary tractor-trailer.

      (Question Box Column, Our Sunday Visitor (Lone Star), Nov. 2, 1958). ” When theologians get into the field of science they try to tell us the time, place and manner of man’s creation. Scientists have many sound studied reasons for believing that man’s history on earth must date back at least thirty thousand years, and possibly a good half million. So they have little patience with the theologians who demand that it be encompassed into the traditional six thousand. Their daily work in the biological science is based on the sound theory that living things have reached their present perfection by a long process of evolution. So we naturally meet only amusement or irritation when we come before them with our imaginative notion of a divine sculptor, who came down to earth on the sixth day, dressed in a workman’s smock, blended dust into moulder’s clay, and proceeded to fashion man into his own image”.

      We find several amazing anti-Biblical statements in this paragraph, above.

      a). First, we see that the tone of this paragraph is such that the view of “scientists” is treated as though scientists are 100% in agreement that Evolution is the manner in which our universe was created. This paragraph totally ignores the fact that many, if not most, of today’s scientists dis-believe Evolution and believe that the scientific body of fact supports Creation. For more information on this fascinating subject, we urge you to read Christian scientist and author, Chuck Missler, in his book, “The Creator Beyond Time And Space”.

      b). Second, we see that these Catholic theologians state that they understand why they are met with “amusement” or “irritation” when they come before these scientists with a ridiculous story of God coming along dressed in a workman’s smock to produce man out of dust. This statement wholly ignores the Biblical account of Creation, given in Genesis. In fact, this statement makes God out to be some old codger who has seen better days. In point of fact, God states that He created the world by the power of His spoken Word! [Genesis 1:1-2:4] In this passage, the Bible states in 10 different verses that “God said” and entire systems sprang into reality from nothingness and entire species suddenly appeared. Throughout the Bible, God’s Word is repeatedly shown to possess great power and authority, especially when it comes to Salvation and the victory over sin. Here, however, we see that God’s Word created the universe and all that is within it. Thirdly, while Catholic theologians are certainly free to believe anything they wish and to try to convince people of their beliefs, they should at least remain intellectually honest. They cannot remain intellectually honest when they absolutely destroy God’s own account of the origin of the world, and still have the gall to call themselves Christian. When they argue as a New Age adherent, they should at least have the courage and honesty to call themselves New Agers. Maybe this is why Mother Teresa was regularly seen attending, and speaking to, New Age conferences all over this globe!

      c). Third, to which state of “perfection” is this Catholic theologian referring? Has man come to a state of “perfection”? Can anyone look at the news of today and tell me, with a straight face, that mankind has reached a state of “perfection”? Further, one look at the decay and death of nature in this world demonstrates that nature has not yet reached “perfection”.

      d). However, New Age adherents, and members of such secret societies as Rosicrucians and Freemasonry, strongly and boldly teach that mankind is progressing toward a perfection, and that man himself may be perfected. Once again, Catholicism agrees with the pagan view of the world and of mankind!

      2). Now, let us examine another statement about Creation versus Evolution from a Catholic source.

      [“New Knowledge and Old Faith”, by John A. O’Brien, Ph.D., Imprimatur, Cardinal Hayes, Apr. 13, 1935, Page 5 ). ” What is the effect of the impact of this new knowledge upon religious faith? Does the Christian religion, born two thousands years ago in Palestine in a pre-scientific age when people entertained childish notions of the universe which have long since been outmoded, possess validity in the age of science in which we now live? To the
      student whose knowledge of religion does not extend much beyond the catechism or lessons of the Sunday School, the new knowledge is apt to be somewhat disturbing. Coming with the idea of the world created in six days of twenty-four hours each, and the concept of Adam suddenly springing full blossomed from the slime of the earth about six thousand years ago, science’s new picture of the world existing for thousands of trillions of years, of the slow evolution of life from lower to higher forms over many millions of years, of man having his physical antecedents in lower organisms, of humanity’s long climb from his lowly habitation among the caves of the earth to the mountain peak of present civilization, and his probable duration upon this planet for millions of years — these are likely, at first sight, to be somewhat unsettling.”

      Again, we see that this Catholic theologian makes fun of the simplistic faith in God’s Word which Jesus teaches is absolutely essential for anyone desiring to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. [Mark 10:15 and Luke Luke 18:17] Once again, we are left to state that, if the Roman Catholic Church wants to believe and teach Evolution rather than Creationism, they at least need to be intellectually honest enough to admit that such belief disqualifies them to be called “Christian”. Second, when these Catholic theologians sneer at the Biblical account of Creation, they are sneering at the very God Whom they say they are worshipping! Further, they are sneering at Jesus Christ, Whom they say they are venerating, and without Whom they admit there can be no Salvation.

      Furthermore, when this author makes the statement about ” Adam suddenly springing full blossomed from the slime of the earth”, he obviously cannot be speaking of either the Biblical account of Creation, or the Evolutionary theory. The Bible says nothing about Adam springing forth from the “slime” of the earth, nor does Evolutionary theory recognize that such a first man as Adam ever existed! What the Bible DOES say is that God created Adam fully developed from the dirt of the earth, not some primordial slime. Science did not discover until a few scant decades ago that the essential chemical elements that are found in the soil of the earth are the same chemical compounds found in man and animals! This is just one of many instances where the Bible spoke the truth about a scientific matter, even though “Science” had not yet discovered it. In fact, man’s Science was not to discover this truth for almost 6,000 years after God revealed it to Moses.

      3). (Lone Star Catholic, 6,/14/59). ” Modern Scripture scholars say that the flood did not cover the entire world, that we need not think that it destroyed all the human race then existing, though the author of Genesis probably believed that it did — and we may believe it too if we want to. Best thing is to see the Flood a symbolic story based on historical fact, the purpose of the story being to teach God’s punishment of mankind’s sin and his mercy for the sake of the just”.

      Once again, we see that Catholic theologians are all too willing to throw out the account given in Scripture, so they can believe whatever they want to believe. Once again, they need to be honest enough to admit to all peoples of the world that they are not “Christian” and that they no more literally believe in the Bible than any old Pagan who ever lived!

      4). “20th Century Encyclopedia of Catholicism”, Volume 29, Nicolas Corte, 94). “Today it is readily accepted that the Bible is not to be consulted as if it were a scientific treatise, and that such seemingly scientific facts as are to be found in it have no other value than to inform us of the ideas current at the different times at which the books composing it were written.”

      The Roman Catholic Pope will rush to the support of the newly arisen New Age Christ [the Biblical Antichrist], and he will be able to do the same miracles as Antichrist [Revelation 13:11-13]
      The Roman Pontiff will propose that a statue be built in the image of the Antichrist, and will force the entire world to worship it, on the pain of death. By the way, Pope John Paul II has reinstated the hated Office of the Inquisition, now called Defender of the Faith. [Revelation 13:14b-15]

      The Pope will suddenly declare that peoples of the entire world will be forced to worship Antichrist, and as a sign of their obedience and loyalty, each person will have to take some sort of a mark, either in the right hand or the forehead. This is the infamous Mark of the Beast. Anyone who refuses to take this Mark will be killed, by the forces of the Pope. [Revelation 13:16-18]

      Wake up your being decieved.

      • No, you don’t understand what the RCC teaches.

        There is so much misunderstanding or outright falsehood in what you wrote (all of which has been dealt with repeatedly by others more capable than I) that it would take far more time than I have to sift through.

        You ARE bearing false witness, deliberately or otherwise, against Catholics, as are those who teach these things to you.

        Be aware, just as anyone can call himself a minister, so can anyone call himself a theologian or a prophet. Doesn’t mean they have it right.

        Wake up. You’re being deceived.

        • Miguel Hayworth

          I disagree you are so wrapped up in your tradition the RCC does not efficiently explain the gospel well ur being deceived in following man as your authority you call the pope you centralize your faith in you simply are dismissive no matter if you were shown prof you are no different then the JW’s

          “It is abundantly clear by reading the Catholic apologists that they will not accept any evidence that overturns papal infallibility. No matter how badly a Pope has erred – morally, doctrinally, or otherwise – no charge against papal infallibility will ever stick. It would save us a lot of time if Catholic apologists will simply admit this. In reality, this is nothing short of historical gymnastics and wishful reconstructions at best – and blatant dishonesty at worst.” – Eric Svendsen, Evangelical Answers (Atlanta, Georgia: New Testament Restoration Foundation, 1997), p. 34

          Catholics don’t agree with each other about papal infallibility Since Popes have often erred, some Catholic apologists have claimed that papal infallibility has only been exercised twice: the Immaculate Conception decree of Pope Pius IX in 1854 and the Assumption of Mary decree of Pope Pius XII in 1950.

          For example you have ignored papal errors by defining papal infallibility in a vague way it demands obedience to the Pope at all times, as though every word coming from his mouth is infallible. The Catholic Church thereby avoids responsibility while commanding obedience. It can err repeatedly, yet still claim infallibility, and demand obedience at all times, even when it’s erring. For example, the Second Vatican Council taught (“Dogmatic Constitution on the Church”, no. 25)

          For example you blindly show loyal submission of the will and intellect must be given, in a special way, to the authentic teaching authority of the Roman Pontiff, even when he does not speak ex cathedra in such wise, indeed, that his supreme teaching authority be acknowledged with respect, and that one sincerely adhere to decisions made by him.

          For example look at Pope Boniface VIII’s Unam Sanctam decree, issued early in the fourteenth century.

          do read this papal decree, ask yourself whether this Pope’s scripture interpretations are accurate. Does this Pope interpret passages like John 18:11 and 1 Corinthians 2:15 correctly? Ask yourself whether this is a “Vicar of Christ” speaking “infallibly” or, instead, a fallible man perverting the gospel, misrepresenting scripture, and attempting to attain more power for himself. I’ll be including numbers, in brackets (“[]”), after each portion of the decree that I highlight. At the end of the decree, I’ll comment on each of the portions I highlighted.

          rged on by our faith, we are obliged to believe and hold that there is one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. And we firmly believe and profess that outside of her there is no salvation nor remission of sins, as the bridegroom declares in the Canticles, “My dove, my undefiled, is but one; she is the only one of her mother; she is the choice one of her that bare her.” And this represents the one mystical body of Christ, and of this body Christ is the head, and God is the head of Christ. In it there is one Lord, one faith, one baptism. For in the time of the Flood there was the single ark of Noah, which prefigures the one Church, and it was finished according to the measure of one cubit and had one Noah for pilot and captain, and outside of it every living creature on the earth, as we read, was destroyed. And this Church we revere as the only, even as the Lord saith by the prophet, “Deliver my soul from the sword, my darling from the power of the dog.” He prayed for his soul, that is, for himself, head and body. And this body he called one body, that is, the Church, because of the single bridegroom, the unity of the faith, the sacraments, and the love of the Church. She is that seamless shirt of the Lord which was not rent but was allotted by the casting of lots. Therefore, this one and single Church has one head and not two heads,- for had she two heads, she would be a monster,- that is, Christ and Christ’s vicar, Peter and Peter’s successor. For the Lord said unto Peter, “Feed my sheep.” “My,” he said, speaking generally and not particularly, “these and those,” by which it is to be understood that all the sheep are committed unto him.

          So, when the Greeks [Eastern Orthodox] and others say that they were not committed to the care of Peter and his successors, they must confess that they are not of Christ’s sheep

          even as the Lord says in John, “There is one fold and one shepherd.”

          That in her and within her power are two swords, we are taught in the Gospels, namely, the spiritual sword and the temporal sword. For when the Apostles said, “Lo, here,”- that is, in the Church,- are two swords, the Lord did not reply to the Apostles “it is too much,” but “it is enough.” [Luke 22:38] [2] It is certain that whoever denies that the temporal sword is in the power of Peter hearkens ill to the words of the Lord which he spake, “Put up thy sword into its sheath.” [John 18:11]

          Therefore, both are in the power of the Church, namely, the spiritual sword and the temporal sword; the latter is to be used for the Church, the former by the Church; the former by the hand of the priest, the latter by the hand of princes and kings, but at the nod and sufferance of the priest. The one sword must of necessity be subject to the other, and the temporal authority to the spiritual. For the Apostle said, “There is no power but of God, and the powers that be are ordained of God”; and they would not have been ordained unless one sword had been made subject to the other, and even as the lower is subjected to the other for higher things. For, according to Dionysius, it is a divine law that the lowest things are made by mediocre things to attain to the highest. For it is not according to the law of the universe that all things in an equal way and immediately should reach their end, but the lowest through the mediocre and the lower through their higher. But that the spiritual power excels the earthly power in dignity and worth, we will the more clearly acknowledge just in proportion as the spiritual is higher than the temporal. And this we perceive quite distinctly from the donation of the tithe and functions of benediction and sanctification, from the mode in which the power was received, and the government of the subjected realms. For truth being the witness, the spiritual power has the functions of establishing the temporal power and sitting in judgment on it if it should prove to be not good. And to the Church and the Church’s power the prophecy of Jeremiah attests: “See, I have set thee this day over the nations and kingdoms to pluck up and to break down and to destroy and to overthrow, to build and to plant.” [Jeremiah 1:10]

          And if the earthly power deviate from the right path, it is judged by the spiritual power; but if a minor spiritual power deviate from the right path, the lower in rank is judged by its superior; but if the supreme power [the papacy] deviate, it can be judged not by man, but by God alone. And so the Apostle testifies, “He which is spiritual judges all things, but he himself is judged by no man.” [1 Corinthians 2:15] But this authority, although it be given to a man, and though it be exercised by a man, is not a human but a divine power given by divine word of mouth to Peter and confirmed to Peter and to his successors [5] by Christ himself, whom Peter confessed, even him whom Christ called the Rock. For the Lord said to Peter himself, “Whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth,” etc. Whoever, therefore, resists this power so ordained by God, resists the ordinance of God, unless perchance he imagines two principles to exist, as did Manichaeus, which we pronounce false and heretical. For Moses testified that God created heaven and earth not in the beginnings but “in the beginning” [Genesis 1:1]

          Furthermore, that every human creature is subject to the Roman pontiff [the Pope],- this we declare, say, define, and pronounce to be altogether necessary to salvation.

          1. This claim contradicts the Second Vatican Council and other recent Catholic documents, which teach that people outside of the Roman Catholic Church, including Eastern Orthodox, can be saved without submitting to the Pope.

          2. Luke 22:38 isn’t teaching that the Roman Catholic Church has authority over governments. Passages such as John 18:36 contradict this Pope’s interpretation of Luke 22:38.

          3. John 18:11 isn’t teaching that the Roman Catholic Church has authority over governments, and it isn’t teaching that governments must use their sword at the command of the church.

          4. Jeremiah 1:10 isn’t about the church.

          5. 1 Corinthians 2:15 is referring to all Christians, not the Pope. Verse 16 tells us that “we have the mind of Christ”.

          6. Genesis 1:1 doesn’t prove that there has to be a Pope.

          7. This claim contradicts the Second Vatican Council and other recent Catholic documents, which teach that people outside of the Roman Catholic Church can be saved without submitting to the Pope.

          Even Pope Sixtus V had err’d in his teachings and you simply want to convince me that none of the popes are fallible ?????

          and you would believe in papal infallibility is to believe ONLY Roman Catholics can be saved, for they alone are in submission to the Pope. It is, therefore, impossible for an informed Catholic to get saved or to stay saved if he knows of these aforementioned Roman Catholic declarations and still continues to believe in papal infallibility! WHY? Because salvation centers around exclusive trust in the person and redemptive work of Jesus Christ and in Him alone. In other words, all 100% of our trust for our soul’s salvation MUST be in Jesus Christ alone apart from trusting in a denomination or submission to any spiritual leader, including the Pope! Since this is the Biblical message and Catholic “ex cathedra” statements contradict this, then belief in papal infallibility must be rejected for the sake of salvation! In fact, the three ex cathedra declarations just cited are clearly “another gospel” (Gal. 1:8,9).

          • Miguel Hayworth

            That was my last comment to you I will have no part in that Anti-Christ’s religion or his institution

      • Ted Lindblad III

        Magnificent on evolution Miguel and amen brother! You will enjoy Ken Ham’s “The Lie” if you have not read it already.

        Scripture shows that anti-christ will be an Assyrian Jew however (very likely a homosexual – Dan 11:36-37) and will come to Israel first as Christ did, but this time as the conquering king they always wanted. he will “minister” with great signs and wonders for 3.5 years and be killed via head wound. he will resurrect as Christ did and declare himself to be god in their future physical temple… the abomination of desolation.

        Blinded Israel will present him to the world as their messiah, as it is they who are already fooled that their messiah has not yet come. anti-christ is absolutely centered around Jerusalem. The roman catholic pope will likely become the false prophet as you write though I cannot say with absolute certainty. It makes logical sense to me.

        People will need the mark in order to survive at all, in even the most base and primitive conditions.

        • STL

          TED: The Pope said, today that God told him he will die in about 4 years from now!

          • Ted Lindblad III

            You and I both know that if it ain’t in the King James Bible, God didn’t say it.

            If the man dies in his sins, which he likely will, he will spend eternity in hell. What a shame… but that is the result of our God given free will to choose our own destiny.

            Heaven and hell are choices we make, not destinations we earn.

    • Miguel Hayworth

      We understand perfectly what the RCC teaches and we are stating we reject and oppose it, The RCC does not claim to believe in justification by faith alone through the Gospel alone, it is faith + works (sacraments), we do not believe that the RCC holds to the scripture but says the Bible is uninspired and cannot provide the necessary doctrines of faith and so needs popes, priests etc, the RCC is 1700 years old and has moved away from the practices of the primitive church holding to the claim of new revelations from God in this I may add so did Jim Jones, Joseph Smith, Charles Tez Russel etc all claim as you that we bare false witness because we do not hold to the essential truths in the RCC so called, nor do I believe in Latria and much of its oral traditions that are outside the confines of holy scripture itself.

      May I add the RCC has often contradicted it self on SSM, Evolution and it is a fact THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH REVEALS ITSELF TO BE NOT CHRISTIAN IN HER OWNING TEACHINGS

      Looking at John Paul II’s remarks. “In a major statement of the Roman Catholic Church’s position on the theory of evolution, Pope John Paul II has proclaimed that the theory is ‘more than just a hypothesis’ and that evolution is compatible with Christian faith.” [Chicago Tribune, Friday, 10/25/96, “POPE BOLSTERS CHURCH SUPPORT FOR EVOLUTION”, by Stevenson Swanson, Tribune Staff Writer, Dateline: New York.]

      However, Pope John Paul II traveled even further down this road to Evolution, as reported in this story, above. The journalist, Stevenson Swanson, stated, “The Pope’s message went much further in accepting the theory of evolution as a valid explanation of the development of life on Earth, with one major exception: the human soul. ‘If the human body has its origin in living material which preexists it, the spiritual soul is immediately created by God’, the Pope said.”

      In other words, the Pope is saying that the world we see all around us is immensely old, just as Evolutionists have been telling us, but that, at some moment in this Evolutionary cycle, God intervened to produce the soul of man. This Interventionist Theory of Evolution is standard New Age rhetoric. In fact, this interventionist theory has now progressed so far that some New Age writers are suggesting that the “God” who intervened in human history once the world had evolved enough to sustain life, were aliens from other solar systems. I wonder how long it will Pope John Paul II to reach this conclusion, also?

      we took note of the fact that this statement flatly contradicts the clear teaching in the current Catechism. We encourage you to read the statements from the Catechism, which we reprint in this article, because the Catechism seems to clearly and boldly state that this world was created by God.

      Yet, as we also point out, the Catechism leaves the door slightly ajar on the issue of Evolution. It is this through slightly opened door that Pope John Paul II seems to be driving an Evolutionary tractor-trailer.

      (Question Box Column, Our Sunday Visitor (Lone Star), Nov. 2, 1958). ” When theologians get into the field of science they try to tell us the time, place and manner of man’s creation. Scientists have many sound studied reasons for believing that man’s history on earth must date back at least thirty thousand years, and possibly a good half million. So they have little patience with the theologians who demand that it be encompassed into the traditional six thousand. Their daily work in the biological science is based on the sound theory that living things have reached their present perfection by a long process of evolution. So we naturally meet only amusement or irritation when we come before them with our imaginative notion of a divine sculptor, who came down to earth on the sixth day, dressed in a workman’s smock, blended dust into moulder’s clay, and proceeded to fashion man into his own image”.

      We find several amazing anti-Biblical statements in this paragraph, above.

      a). First, we see that the tone of this paragraph is such that the view of “scientists” is treated as though scientists are 100% in agreement that Evolution is the manner in which our universe was created. This paragraph totally ignores the fact that many, if not most, of today’s scientists dis-believe Evolution and believe that the scientific body of fact supports Creation. For more information on this fascinating subject, we urge you to read Christian scientist and author, Chuck Missler, in his book, “The Creator Beyond Time And Space”.

      b). Second, we see that these Catholic theologians state that they understand why they are met with “amusement” or “irritation” when they come before these scientists with a ridiculous story of God coming along dressed in a workman’s smock to produce man out of dust. This statement wholly ignores the Biblical account of Creation, given in Genesis. In fact, this statement makes God out to be some old codger who has seen better days. In point of fact, God states that He created the world by the power of His spoken Word! [Genesis 1:1-2:4] In this passage, the Bible states in 10 different verses that “God said” and entire systems sprang into reality from nothingness and entire species suddenly appeared. Throughout the Bible, God’s Word is repeatedly shown to possess great power and authority, especially when it comes to Salvation and the victory over sin. Here, however, we see that God’s Word created the universe and all that is within it. Thirdly, while Catholic theologians are certainly free to believe anything they wish and to try to convince people of their beliefs, they should at least remain intellectually honest. They cannot remain intellectually honest when they absolutely destroy God’s own account of the origin of the world, and still have the gall to call themselves Christian. When they argue as a New Age adherent, they should at least have the courage and honesty to call themselves New Agers. Maybe this is why Mother Teresa was regularly seen attending, and speaking to, New Age conferences all over this globe!

      c). Third, to which state of “perfection” is this Catholic theologian referring? Has man come to a state of “perfection”? Can anyone look at the news of today and tell me, with a straight face, that mankind has reached a state of “perfection”? Further, one look at the decay and death of nature in this world demonstrates that nature has not yet reached “perfection”.

      d). However, New Age adherents, and members of such secret societies as Rosicrucians and Freemasonry, strongly and boldly teach that mankind is progressing toward a perfection, and that man himself may be perfected. Once again, Catholicism agrees with the pagan view of the world and of mankind!

      2). Now, let us examine another statement about Creation versus Evolution from a Catholic source.

      [“New Knowledge and Old Faith”, by John A. O’Brien, Ph.D., Imprimatur, Cardinal Hayes, Apr. 13, 1935, Page 5 ). ” What is the effect of the impact of this new knowledge upon religious faith? Does the Christian religion, born two thousands years ago in Palestine in a pre-scientific age when people entertained childish notions of the universe which have long since been outmoded, possess validity in the age of science in which we now live? To the
      student whose knowledge of religion does not extend much beyond the catechism or lessons of the Sunday School, the new knowledge is apt to be somewhat disturbing. Coming with the idea of the world created in six days of twenty-four hours each, and the concept of Adam suddenly springing full blossomed from the slime of the earth about six thousand years ago, science’s new picture of the world existing for thousands of trillions of years, of the slow evolution of life from lower to higher forms over many millions of years, of man having his physical antecedents in lower organisms, of humanity’s long climb from his lowly habitation among the caves of the earth to the mountain peak of present civilization, and his probable duration upon this planet for millions of years — these are likely, at first sight, to be somewhat unsettling.”

      Again, we see that this Catholic theologian makes fun of the simplistic faith in God’s Word which Jesus teaches is absolutely essential for anyone desiring to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. [Mark 10:15 and Luke Luke 18:17] Once again, we are left to state that, if the Roman Catholic Church wants to believe and teach Evolution rather than Creationism, they at least need to be intellectually honest enough to admit that such belief disqualifies them to be called “Christian”. Second, when these Catholic theologians sneer at the Biblical account of Creation, they are sneering at the very God Whom they say they are worshipping! Further, they are sneering at Jesus Christ, Whom they say they are venerating, and without Whom they admit there can be no Salvation.

      Furthermore, when this author makes the statement about ” Adam suddenly springing full blossomed from the slime of the earth”, he obviously cannot be speaking of either the Biblical account of Creation, or the Evolutionary theory. The Bible says nothing about Adam springing forth from the “slime” of the earth, nor does Evolutionary theory recognize that such a first man as Adam ever existed! What the Bible DOES say is that God created Adam fully developed from the dirt of the earth, not some primordial slime. Science did not discover until a few scant decades ago that the essential chemical elements that are found in the soil of the earth are the same chemical compounds found in man and animals! This is just one of many instances where the Bible spoke the truth about a scientific matter, even though “Science” had not yet discovered it. In fact, man’s Science was not to discover this truth for almost 6,000 years after God revealed it to Moses.

      3). (Lone Star Catholic, 6,/14/59). ” Modern Scripture scholars say that the flood did not cover the entire world, that we need not think that it destroyed all the human race then existing, though the author of Genesis probably believed that it did — and we may believe it too if we want to. Best thing is to see the Flood a symbolic story based on historical fact, the purpose of the story being to teach God’s punishment of mankind’s sin and his mercy for the sake of the just”.

      Once again, we see that Catholic theologians are all too willing to throw out the account given in Scripture, so they can believe whatever they want to believe. Once again, they need to be honest enough to admit to all peoples of the world that they are not “Christian” and that they no more literally believe in the Bible than any old Pagan who ever lived!

      4). “20th Century Encyclopedia of Catholicism”, Volume 29, Nicolas Corte, 94). “Today it is readily accepted that the Bible is not to be consulted as if it were a scientific treatise, and that such seemingly scientific facts as are to be found in it have no other value than to inform us of the ideas current at the different times at which the books composing it were written.”

      The Roman Catholic Pope will rush to the support of the newly arisen New Age Christ [the Biblical Antichrist], and he will be able to do the same miracles as Antichrist [Revelation 13:11-13]
      The Roman Pontiff will propose that a statue be built in the image of the Antichrist, and will force the entire world to worship it, on the pain of death. By the way, Pope John Paul II has reinstated the hated Office of the Inquisition, now called Defender of the Faith. [Revelation 13:14b-15]

      The Pope will suddenly declare that peoples of the entire world will be forced to worship Antichrist, and as a sign of their obedience and loyalty, each person will have to take some sort of a mark, either in the right hand or the forehead. This is the infamous Mark of the Beast. Anyone who refuses to take this Mark will be killed, by the forces of the Pope. [Revelation 13:16-18]

      Wake up your being deceived.

    • Robert

      Jesus Christ is GOD in the Flesh

  • Wow this gets more confusing every time I come back.The most confusing part of it all is how does anyone add a 4th part to a three part object?That goes against science if I remember different measures.If I add another side to a triangle it becomes a square or a rectangle.

    • No one gives credit to anti-Catholics for imagination. The arguments have not really changed since their inception.

    • We are told that the Church is the ‘pillar and bulwark of truth’. 1 Timothy

      Scripture also tells us to listen to tradition as well as what is written. 2 Thessalonians

      The Bible as we know it did not exist for a few hundred years after Jesus founded the Church. What did people do?

      Where in Scripture does it say Scripture is the sole authority?

      • Robert

        1 Timothy 6

        15 which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords.

        • Way to dodge the question. Where in Scripture does it say Scripture is the sole authority?

          • Robert

            Here is a great read take the time to read it. Let it open your eyes!

            Ephesians 1:22-23
            22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

            Where does the bible state the Church is or has the Authority? What is the biblical definition of the Church? Also if you have any information that truly supports that Peter was truly the first Pope I would consider looking at it, READ the information I have given as it gives a very clear picture of the truth including Ephesians 1:22-23 in regards to the True Church.

            Under what authority did the POPE have to state that Christians are not a christian or obtain salvation unless they are part of the Catholic Church?(NO Authority Given by Christ to the Pope), is the pope saying convert or you will die with that statement?

            Ephesians 1:22-23

            22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

            But while Peter was central in the early spread of the gospel (part of the meaning behind Matthew 16:18-19), the teaching of Scripture, taken in context, nowhere declares that he was in authority over the other apostles, or over the church (having primacy). See Acts 15:1-23; Galatians 2:1-14; and 1 Peter 5:1-5. Nor is it ever taught in Scripture that the bishop of Rome, or any other bishop, was to have primacy over the church. Scripture does not even explicitly record Peter even being in Rome. Rather there is only one reference in Scripture of Peter writing from “Babylon,” a name sometimes applied to Rome (1 Peter 5:13).

            Also, nowhere does Scripture state that, in order to keep the church from error, the authority of the apostles was passed on to those they ordained (the idea behind apostolic succession). Apostolic succession is “read into” those verses that the Roman Catholic Church uses to support this doctrine (2 Timothy 2:2; 4:2-5; Titus 1:5; 2:1; 2:15; 1 Timothy 5:19-22). Paul does NOT call on believers in various churches to receive Titus, Timothy, and other church leaders based on their authority as bishops or their having apostolic authority, but rather based upon their being fellow laborers with him (1 Corinthians 16:10; 16:16; 2 Corinthians 8:23).

            What Scripture DOES teach is that false teachings would arise even from among church leaders, and that Christians were to compare the teachings of these later church leaders with Scripture, which alone is infallible (Matthew 5:18; Psalm 19:7-8; 119:160; Proverbs 30:5; John 17:17; 2 Peter 1:19-21). The Bible does not teach that the apostles were infallible, apart from what was written by them and incorporated into Scripture. Paul, in talking to the church leaders in the large city of Ephesus, makes note of coming false teachers. To fight against their error does NOT commend them to “the apostles and those who would carry on their authority”; rather, Paul commends them to “God and to the word of His grace” (Acts 20:28-32). It is Scripture that was to be the infallible measuring stick for teaching and practice (2 Timothy 3:16-17), not apostolic successors. It is by examining the Scriptures that teachings are shown to be true or false (Acts 17:10-12).

            Was Peter the first pope? The answer, according to Scripture, is a clear and emphatic “no.” Peter nowhere claims supremacy over the other apostles. Nowhere in his writings (1 and 2 Peter) did the Apostle Peter claim any special role, authority, or power over the church. Nowhere in Scripture does Peter, or any other apostle, state that their apostolic authority would be passed on to successors. Yes, the Apostle Peter had a leadership role among the disciples. Yes, Peter played a crucial role in the early spread of the gospel (Acts chapters 1-10). Yes, Peter was the “rock” that Christ predicted he would be (Matthew 16:18). However, these truths about Peter in no way give support to the concept that Peter was the first pope, or that he was the “supreme leader” over the apostles, or that his authority would be passed on to the bishops of Rome. Peter himself points us all to the true Shepherd and Overseer of the church, the Lord Jesus Christ (1 Peter 2:25).

          • Robert, this platform is not allowing me to directly reply to you, so I’m reply to myself.

            The Ephesians quote does not answer the question. If everything to do with the Church is found in Scripture, surely there is somewhere in Scripture that states that it is the sole authority.

            What I DO see, is that the Church is the pillar and bulwark of truth.

            If you respond to my question, I will take the time to discuss apostolic authority and whether or not Peter was the first pope.

          • DB

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            @ catholicanuck

            Sin is the transgression of God’s Law.

            Unless you think the Pope has the authority to add to or take away from God’s Law… the Bible is the sole authority on sin.

            Concerning the holy scripture [Old Testament] Paul said:

            ” All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

            That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. ”

            2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV

            That the RRC does not publicly admonish and excommunicate Pelosi speaks volumes… it explains why the RCC is filled with reprobates like Pelosi.

            .

          • STL

            catholicnuck: you said, where in scripture does it say scripture is the sole authority?

            JOHN 1:1 BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD.

            JOHN 1:14 AND THE WORD BECAME FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US.

          • @DL “The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.”

            Yes. That’s a start.

            Who is the Word? Christ, who is also the head of the Church.
            The Church is the pillar and bulwark of Truth? Right? and the Word? Right?

            So the authority rests with the Church, which was pretty much uncontested until about 500 years ago. The Church authorized Scripture (I know you’ll argue, but that’s been done to death. No where in Scripture is there a list of official books. That came from the Church.) Scripture did exist in vernacular languages, even in English, before the KJV…even before Wycliffe. BTW where in Scripture does it say that the KJV is the only official version?

            Did you know that early versions of the KJV retained what you call the apocryphal books in its first editions? Do you know why the KJV is referred to as the Authorized edition?

            Does anyone see the double standard here? The Catholics are expected to be able to defend every teaching of the RCC expressly out of Scripture, which is possible if you’re willing to think a bit abstractly…But people who argue against the Church add all sorts of things to their “Scripture alone”…things like KJV only, or even scripture as sole authority. And they lie about what Catholics believe. (Hint. We don’t worship Mary, or the Pope. Never did. We put neither above God, or Christ. And we believe Christ is the head of His Church.

            I do not follow the authority of someone on the internet. I do not follow the authority of a belief system that is only a few hundred years old, when I have the Rock of the Church, which has been around unchanged since the time of the Apostles, and which actually not only predates the Bible as we know it, but assembled the Bible as we know it.

            Come join the Church started by Christ, not the one started by Luther, or Calvin, or Knox, or Henry or the ticked-off guy down the street.

            Have a blessed eternity. I’m signing off.

    • You do realize that when the admonition not to add or take away books was made, the only books they had were the Old Testament?

    • Ted Lindblad III

      Confusion is so unfortunate, but also so very fixable too.

      What/who is the bride of Christ really?

      Rev 21:9-11… “And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I WILL SHEW THEE THE BRIDE, the Lamb’s wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, AND SHEWED ME THAT GREAT CITY, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, HAVING THE GLORY OF GOD: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;”

      The Bride is the Holy City. It has the Glory of God and is referred to as a SHE. Not Mary. The Bride is not a people at all.

      • Ron Murphy

        Something we can agree on, Ted. Gal. 4:26 also. Now if the New Jerusalem is the bride, who’s the harlot?

        • Ted Lindblad III

          The harlot is man’s religion, all of it, not only and specifically catholicism. Protestant religions are just “catholic-lite”. It is the “unclean thing” Paul speaks of in 2 Cor 6:16-17.

          Man’s efforts to be “worthy” or “good enough” for God are an abomination to Him when He has already offered the Perfect Sacrifice on our behalf. We are NOT worthy. This is why we require Christ. The beginning of salvation itself is realizing this basic human fact. We are not worthy. There is no hope in man. Zero.

          Praise God He made a way…! He provided Himself a sacrifice for our condition if we but believe what He tells us. He tells us the things we need to know in His Word alone. The way we understand His Word is to understand that God was NOT always speaking to us.

          Example: How do you and I know today that we should not build an Ark? Simple, right? God was speaking directly to Noah, not us. Duh… That is the principal that should guide ALL Bible study.

          Far less common is the notion that when God was speaking to the Jews in the form of Jesus Christ, he was not speaking to you and I either. He was speaking to His earthly covenant people. Honest study of Paul’s epistles will demonstrate that we are God’s Heavenly people. We are not of the covenant promises God made with the Jews; save for the the very beginning when God told Abraham, the father of us all, that we would be blessed through him, by his demonstrated faith in what God said to him. Note that God did not reveal everything He would eventually reveal to Abraham. God’s revelation to man is a progressive thing. That final bit of information was revealed to Paul alone in the form of the Mystery kept secret since the world began (Eph 3). It is how we are saved by grace without the workings of the law. Note carefully that everything Christ taught while on Earth was of the Law because, as Gal 4:4 says, Christ was made of a woman, made under the Law. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Acts 1-8 are in fact old testament books, even though your Bible and mine label them the new testament.

          WHAT??? Yea, you read that right. The old testament was written in the law, correct? Is the law in effect during Christ’s earthly ministry? You damn well bet it was! Read all the IF/THEN statements Christ made to the twelve in those books. God no longer makes IF/THEN statements to us. He has provided His gift of FREE GRACE to His enemies, you and I, and thus made us His ambassadors of the reconciliation (2 Cor 5).

          Just because a position is not common, does not necessarily make it false.

          NOW, referring to Gal 4:26… just because Paul refers to Jerusalem above in a comparative argument, does not mean we are waiting in hope of that cities coming. We are not. This is the hope of Israel for all time. Paul is saying that Sarah is the spiritual mother of us all, and she is. Hagar is “analogized” to Mount Siani and Sarah to New Jerusalem. As God made the promise to Issiac and not Ishmael, Sarah and not Hagar is our “spiritual” mother; she is “free” and not a bondwoman as Hagar was. Issiac was born by faith is what God said to Abraham, Ishmael was born of man’s attempt to solve his own “perceived” problem.

          Whenever man attempts to solve his own perceived problems, the end result is failure, complete and total. We simply need to believe what God says to us personally and forget everything that man says.

  • I wonder just what an unbeliever thinks when they might accidentally visit a site like this?I feel sure if that was my position as it was years ago,it would increase my thinking about Christianity.I was raised in the Lutheran church,confirmed etc.I have family that were also but because of marriage converted to the Roman church.I personally believe that stuff like this provides all that Satan needs to keep the unbeliever right where he is.Good job folks.

    • Ted Lindblad III

      While you are absolutely correct in your assessment of so called “Christianity”; it is an absolute mess, simply because people fail to rightly divide their Bibles, I doubt an unbeliever would visit such a site. satan is the author of confusion indeed.

    • Donna

      I disagree with you. I think Satan would rather have you looking at anything that doesn’t have anything to do with faith.

      I think this site (and others) provides a good place for Christians, Catholics and non-Christians to dialogue. I’m sure there are many people who, after having read someone else’s opinions, at the very minimum have been exposed to information or teachings that they have never heard of before.

      It is a luke-warm Christian indeed who would rather not have this sort of discussion and risk looking foolish to an unbeliever. The reality is that there IS a lot of confusion out there and it is imperative that the truth be known. What are you doing to gather those in? Or are you scattering?

      • Ted Lindblad III

        Fair enough Donna, point taken. I too believe there can be good dialog at a site such as this. It is why I read and post here. I believe Glenn’s point was that some of us can be disrespectful at times and less than friendly (myself included) and that would turn off an unbeliever toward belief at all.

        I was merely speculating that most unbelievers would likely not show up here in the first place because satan was having them pay attention to sports or hollywood or something… We are in agreement.

        • Donna

          Thanks!

  • Ted Lindblad III

    Question to catholics here. Your mass is a perpetual sacrifice for sin. Each time it is said, Christ is crucified/sacrificed once again (in theory) and this needs to happen again and again, in perpetuity that sins might continue to be forgiven. It holds that you have not “received” Christ unless you “receive” Christ through your digestive system. That you must receive Him over and over again, in perpetuity. This is catholic doctrine. I am curious as to how y’all might justify these following verses.

    Hebrews 10:12-14… “But this man, after he had offered ONE sacrifice for sins FOR EVER, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by ONE OFFERING he hath perfected FOR EVER them that are sanctified.”

    If this is true (and it can’t NOT be from a Biblical position) how is it the catholic mass must continue at all?

    • Donna

      John 6:53-55: Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.

      Jesus said his flesh is REAL food, and REAL drink. REAL. He didn’t say that food and drink are merely symbols for His body and blood. For those of you who do not believe and do not receive His body and blood in Communion, you HAVE NO LIFE IN YOU.

  • Each Mass is not a new sacrifice. Mass is perpetual and is a participation in the original sacrifice of Jesus, as in the quote you gave, but in an un-bloody manner. So, the Hebrews quote pretty much explains what we believe. We just interpret it a little differently.

    We have to be able to eat and drink of the flesh and blood of Christ, as he commanded in the Gospel of John, so there has to be a mechanism to do this.

    And given that it is the Church that is the pillar and bulwark of truth, why am I limited to only one expression of revelation?

    • Robert

      mechanism?

      • Mechanism, method, protocol, way, means…

        The Sacrifice of the Mass is the way in which we can fulfill Christ’s command that we eat his flesh and drink his blood.

        • Robert

          Very early on, the Catholic Church saw the Mass as a mystical reality in which the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross is renewed.

          CLAYTON, N.C. — English-speaking Roman Catholics who have regularly attended Mass for years found themselves in an unfamiliar position Sunday, needing printed cards or sheets of paper to follow along with a ritual many have known since childhood.

          “I don’t think I said it the right way once,” said Matthew Hoover, who attends St. Ann Catholic Church in Clayton, a growing town on the edge of the Raleigh suburbs. “I kept forgetting, and saying the old words.”

          The Mass itself – the central ritual of the Catholic faith – hasn’t changed, but the English translation has, in the largest shakeup to the everyday faith of believers since the upheavals that followed the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s. A years-long process of revision and negotiation led to an updated version of the Roman Missal, the text of prayers and instructions for celebrating Mass, which originally was written in Latin. The new translation was rolled out across the English-speaking Catholic world on Sunday after months of preparation.

          • Robert
          • Donna

            Why are you posting this article? First of all, it’s three years old. Secondly, it has nothing to do with “the Mass as a mystical reality in which the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross is renewed”.

            all this article is saying is that the Catholic Church slightly changed the wording of the liturgy. The original is in Latin, and we recite it in English. The Church felt that we could do with a better translation. If, like me, you have been going to church for over 40 years, it was challenging to learn some of the changes to the liturgy. The substance is the same, just different wording.

  • Robert

    This should Scare you!

    Pope Pius XII, Encyclical Mystici Corporis, par. 66 (1943):
    “Certainly the loving Mother [the Church] is spotless in the Sacraments, by which she gives birth to and nourishes her children; in the faith which she has always preserved inviolate; in her sacred laws imposed on all; in the evangelical counsels which she recommends; in those heavenly gifts and extraordinary graces through which, with inexhaustible fecundity, she generates hosts of martyrs, virgins and confessors.”

    • Why should this scare me?

      • Robert

        You shall understand the True Meaning of the Church the True Church which clearly is not the Mother and the biblical definition is clear! Scripture teaches about the True Church of Christ and Ephesians 1:22-23 just happens to be one of my Favorites.

        Ephesians 1:22-23

        22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

        • I am completely NOT following what you’re trying to say here. Why is it wrong to see the Church as a mother?

          • Robert

            We know the True Church is Christ and his BODY to say it is anything else is false and surely we do not take Glory away from God! It is all through Scripture we also know the Spirit comes from the LORD God Almighty to say that God is not the Church which we do not do and say the Church is the Mother which we do not do is saying the Mother is GOD and she is the Spirit which we do not do!

            Ephesians 1:22-23

            22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

          • Ted Lindblad III

            Because the church is not a mother figure. It is masculine if a gender must be assigned to it, because the church is the body of Christ and Christ is masculine. We believers today, are the church which is His body here on earth (Col 1:21-29).

            “9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

            10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

            11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

            12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

            13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

            14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

            15 WHO IS THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD, the firstborn of every creature:

            16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

            17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

            18 AND HE IS THE HEAD OF THE BODY, THE CHURCH: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

            19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

            20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

            21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

            22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

            23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

            24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for HIS body’s sake, WHICH IS THE CHURCH:

            25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

            26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

            27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

            28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

            29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.”

            If you are in a “mother church” you truly know not what you worship.

            People need to read Paul, as he alone is the Apostle to the Gentiles, NOT, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

            Note carefully verse 25… The dispensation of God given specifically to Paul to fulfill the Word of God. The mystery which was hid… Wow!

            Peter’s church, the Jerusalem church, which was in the Temple called Beautiful (Acts 3:2 – a Temple is a Jewish house of worship) fell away eventually in poverty and death after they sold all that they had as Jesus commanded them. Study the book of Acts which is NOT about the beginning of the church in existence today, no; the book details the fall of Israel. The closing of Peter’s ministry and the rise of Paul’s. Note the two most salient verses in the book…

            1:6… “When they therefore were come together, they asked of Him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the Kingdom unto Israel?”

            Note Jesus does not provide an answer. The answer comes in verse…

            28:28… “Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.”

            The salvation of the Gentiles, which was always supposed to come through Israel, is now sent unto the Gentiles without Israel being in the picture at all. They are no longer God’s channel of blessing to the world, which they were supposed to be; but they missed their Messiah. When this age is done and God no longer remains longsuffering with fallen mankind, His wrath will come and the Jews will once again be His peculiar people. They will once again be the channel of blessing to the world, when God’s new covenant takes effect and His Law is written in their hearts. They will be saved as Paul was and be supernaturally empowered by the Holy Spirit to follow the Law as the early Acts apostles were.

            That time is NOT now however. If you are following the Acts apostles who followed Jesus in His earthly ministry, you are not hearing what God is saying to people today. That simple.

          • Christ is the Bridegroom. If the Church is not feminine, things get rather weird.

          • Ted Lindblad III

            I will show thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife. And look, she is female too!

            Rev 21:9-11

            9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.

            10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

            11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

            The Bride IS the New Jerusalem. Close the Bible and read catholic doctrine. You too, sleep well.

          • And who is the Body of Christ? Why, the Church. We are. God has placed all things under his feet, and appointed him to be head over everything for the Church (which is explicit RCC teaching, btw), which is His body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

            Correct.

            And this is another reason why we believe the Church is the authority. Because Christ is the head of the Church.

  • No one here is saying that Mary is being worshipped but the non-Catholics. It’s the same trick – put words in the mouths of others and act like they’ve said it. Jesus called Mary woman because she is the new Eve – that’s what he was emphasizing. He wasn’t devaluing his own mother. No matter how many times we say it, people just want to have their same old discriminatory agenda and make the Church that Jesus founded, the bride of Christ, the enemy. No matter how many times we show the proof of Jesus establishing Peter’s authority on earth, the handing over of the keys of authority, the promise that he could bind heaven and earth, people will say, show me in the Bible where this happened. We do over and over again, and then the Bible’s own words are twisted to fit the non-Catholic, discriminatory agenda that persecutes the people in the Church that Jesus established, the only one that can be identified in history, the one with all the martyrs, the one that Jesus promised the gates of hell would never prevail against. We believe what the Lord said and what he promised. When he said we had to eat His flesh and drink His blood, we did not leave him. When we realized he chose the Passover for His sacrifice, when He became the Lamb, the apostles understood that they were to eat the sacrificial lamb, the unblemished lamb, as they always had for the Passover, and this was the eternal sacrifice. As if Jesus would know that future generations would reject this, He emphasized, My flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. No matter how many times we say it, people will ignore the actual words in scripture and ignore the person here who keeps giving the chapter and verse that said the Church was the authority and keep ignoring all the other TRUE Catholic beliefs, will keep ignoring the question of where in the Bible does it say the Bible is the only authority (it doesn’t), but people don’t want to hear the truth. They want to continue in their discrimination against His church and proclaim the protesting, rebellious other 26,000 churches that left the Church that’s been here for 2000 years to get behind the ones that started appearing just about 500 years ago in order to have their own, limited interpretations. Jesus is in charge of the Catholic Church. He commanded the apostles/bishops to lead His Church, and that is what they have been doing for 2000 years in a continuous way that is like no other body on earth. No company, no organization, no country, no other group of people can ever achieve what the Church has achieved all over the world and that is because she is under the loving guidance of the Holy Spirit as was promised. I believe Jesus, and when he said he established his Church with Peter as its head and that it would never be destroyed, I believe him! The Church, through the Holy Spirit, is responsible for so many wonderful things in civilization, hospitals, orphanages, schools, the arts – all from the one, catholic, beautiful, mysterious, holy, apostolic faith. Thank you Jesus for giving us this wonderful gift that helps lead us to you by giving us so many graces that make us stronger to serve you.

    • pine

      The Truth About Mary and Scripture

      • Robert

        Can you explain why you wrote this and the current post and explain what happened at Vatican 2?

        Kathy says:
        September 16, 2014 at 11:40 pm
        So that whole bit about the gates of hell never prevailing against the Church, that “never” simply meant until Vatican 2? You do us all a disservice to divide the Church this way. Where the Holy Spirit leads the Church, I will follow.

      • Donna

        I don’t know how anyone can watch this video and not see Mary’s role.

      • Robert

        Pine,

        I would not be sharing this Video to anyone and if you decide to watch it compare it to actual Scripture as I was very concerned about how this video is potentially giving false information including the Book of Revelations and what is says about the ARK and trying to say Mary is the Ark when in fact she is NOT here is what Scripture does say. Within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant

        Revelation 11
        19 Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm.

        • pine

          Robert, show me where “Holy Trinity” or where Jesus says explicitly “I am God, worship me” is in the Bible. Can you find it? Why not? If it isn’t there, why believe? Like I told Ted earlier, this kind of reasoning is very similar to how muslims think.

          • Robert

            Pine did you really just write that? Really? What does Lord GOD Almighty mean to you? It is all throughout Scripture including Revelations. What does King of Kings and Lord of Lords mean to you? Below is just 1 verse but there are so many in Scripture.

            Exodus 9:1

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            9 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Go to Pharaoh and say to him, ‘This is what the Lord, the God of the Hebrews, says: “Let my people go, so that they may worship me.”

        • pine

          “Pine did you really just write that? Really? ”

          Yes Robert, I really wrote it and you should be able to answer it too – of course from scripture alone 🙂

          Remember this is a typical question a muslim will ask you and if you are a Bible believing christian as I am, you should answer this if you want to bring Christ to your muslim neighbor. The difference between us is that as a Catholic I go with both the Bible and Church Tradition, while you go only with the Bible as you deny Church Tradition.

          Exodus 9:1 is not saying “I am God, worship me”, it is saying “Let my people go, so that they may worship me”.

          • Robert

            I do not add or take away from scripture so I wanted to point out Then the Lord Said to Moses with quotation marks witch means the Lord Said it “Go to Pharaoh and say to him, ‘This is what the Lord, the God of the Hebrews, says: “Let my people go, so that they may worship me.”

            Yes it is also throughout scripture including revelations.

            Exodus 9:1

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            9 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Go to Pharaoh and say to him, ‘This is what the Lord, the God of the Hebrews, says: “Let my people go, so that they may worship me.”
            Matthew 4:10New International Version (NIV)

            10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[a]”

          • Robert

            Matthew 4

            7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[a]”

            Mark 12:29

            29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[a]

        • pine

          Robert, thank you for those verses. I too believe those verses are said by Jesus, but where does Jesus say “I am God, worship me”?

          I am certainly not God and neither am I trying to confound you. If I said the same words Jesus spoke i.e. “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’ “. Does this automatically translate to “I am God, worship me”?

          You can keep searching, but I will tell you right now, you cannot find such a verse. The same problem occurs with “Holy Trinity”, you cannot find these words in sacred scripture. Since you deny Church tradition, you are left with only scripture to prove your case. Are you aware that John Calvin tried to show that his teachings were similar to what the early church fathers taught – why would that be the case?

          What you fail to see is that oral and written tradition are intrinsic to how humans communicate and there are enough examples in the Bible to show oral tradition cannot be rejected. The muslims (mohammedans) meanwhile are laughing because they use their scripture (Quran) and oral traditions (hadith, etc.) in addition to using taqiyya to skillfully deceive and bring more people to Islam.

          • Robert

            Pine it can be found and I have given it! It is all throughout Scripture!

            John 10:30

            30 I and the Father are one.”

            John 14

            6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

            9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

          • pine

            Robert, you keep giving me verses which I agree with, but you have yet to find a clear verse from Jesus where he says “I am God, worship me”. Either you do not understand the question I have posed or you think Catholics do not understand the divinity of Christ or something else.

        • pine

          Robert, you don’t seem to understand. The question I am asking you is did Jesus say “I am God, worship me” in the Bible.

          Lets examine what verses you gave me:

          John 10:30 “I and the Father are one”. Is this the same as “I am God, worship me”. Did Jesus say “worship me” anywhere in this verse?

          John 14

          6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

          9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

          Did Jesus say “worship me”, while he says “I am God” anywhere in John 14:6-7,9?

          How do you keep concluding Jesus says “I am God, worship me” then. ???

          Remember you hold to scripture alone, while I go with scripture and tradition.

          • Robert

            Pine,

            I have answered and I have been Crystal Clear! We know the TRUTH and Scripture is crystal clear! We Obey and fully submit to Christ and his name is the Word of God.

            John 14 – Just from this verse alone Jesus is saying it is HE who is the Father and in Jesus Terminology Jesus used the word Father as GOD and is not confused with Jesus as the Son of Man who while growing up called Joseph Father!

            John 14
            9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.

            Matthew 28:9

            9 Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.

            Luke 4:8

            8 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.’[a]”

          • Robert

            Colossians 2:8

            8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces[a] of this world rather than on Christ.

        • pine

          Robert, you keep giving me verses which I agree with, but you have yet to find a clear verse from Jesus where he says “I am God, worship me”. Either you do not understand the question I have posed or you think Catholics do not understand the divinity of Christ or something else.

    • Ted Lindblad III

      “Jesus called Mary woman because she is the new Eve – that’s what he was emphasizing.”

      WHAT??? Man… when we don’t believe the Bible (and only the Bible) we will believe anything at all.

      • pine

        Ted I couldn’t respond to your earlier comment. I guess after a certain number of replies, the reply button vanishes 🙂

        “Does there have to be? Not for me to believe that blessed book there does not.”

        Then why claim KJV only? Why cant other translations be valid? If you seek purity, then you must go back to the earliest language, not a recent one. This is why I asked you the question – when did the English language come into existence?

        “If you choose to believe men AND God; men who can (and do) lie (men who ARE influenced by satan) along with God (who can’t lie – and is NOT influenced by satan) then there is really nothing more for us to discuss, though I wish I could talk you out of the position and to believe God alone.”

        Now this is really bad reasoning. You ask me to read a book and listen to video references. Aren’t these also the works of men? How can you ensure that the book or video you recommended is “NOT influenced by satan”? or do you believe people automatically understand the Bible when they read it? Do you believe someone who reads Hebrews understands it automatically or do they need people to explain it? If you don’t want to listen to men, do you attend worship? How can you be sure that the pastor or any other human is “NOT influenced by satan”?

        You have not answered some of my other question i.e.

        1. I hope you agree that Jesus is full of grace (John 1:14), but to claim that we humans also are full of grace would imply we are exactly like Jesus. Unless you are re-interpreting “full of grace” to have a different meaning as seen fit. Do you see any significance in the presence of Angel Gabriel in Luke 1:28 or is he just another ordinary person? Why should the Angel Gabriel greet Mary saying “full of grace” when Christ was not yet born? How do you explain that away? Do we apply Romans 3 and 5 before or after Christ’s sacrifice on the cross or do you believe everyone prior to Jesus “full of grace”? Can we say Adam and Eve were “full of grace” even though they disobeyed God? Was Cain “full of grace” when he murdered Abel?

        2. Did Jesus say “I am God, worship me” anywhere in the Bible? Can you find these words in any of the 4 gospels? I am aware of the usage “I AM” etc., but this is a typical question a muslim asks to deny the divinity of Christ. I am not saying you do not believe Jesus is God. But if you cannot find explicit verses in the Bible where Jesus says he is God (assuming you are a Bible believing Christian), how do you conclude Jesus is God? The same question holds true for the “Holy Trinity” – can you find these words anywhere in the Bible? Hence I said, your reasoning is no better than the muslim.

        • Ted Lindblad III

          You win pine. Your denials are most excellent. Bravo! Peace… and sleep well 🙂

      • If you could read the Bible effectively, Ted, YOU could see how Mary is the New Eve.

        • Ted Lindblad III

          That would be funny if it were not so very sad.

  • Yes, never – I agree. Vatican 2 changed some customs/practices, but not any dogmas or Big “T” Tradition. It, like the Church in general, has many erroneous things said about it and what it did. It’s miraculous that the Church has never changed its dogma in 2000 years despite different popes and bishops – only the Holy Spirit could have accomplished that. I agree – where the Holy Spirit leads the Church, I will follow.

    • pine

      Matthew 29:18-20 “Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. AND SURELY I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS, TO THE VERY END OF THE AGE”

      Jesus never breaks his promises 🙂

      • pine

        Kathy, a small typo – it should be Matthew 28:18-20. After all I am only human 🙂

      • Ted Lindblad III

        The crux of the problem displayed. Jesus was not speaking to you. He was speaking to His Jewish disciples who were given that commission at the beginning of the Jewish nation. We are not Jews.

        Of course Jesus never breaks His promises. We just need to rightly divide what promises He made and to whom He made them.

        Note carefully Galatians 2:1-9 that Paul and Peter have a disagreement over what gospel message was to be preached to whom (you will only see this in God’s unperverted Book, the KJV) because God says different things to different people. The message to the uncircumcision was different than the message to the circumcision. Peter and Paul had different messages… different gospels. Count the gospels in the verse. Peter agrees to remain in Jerusalem and NOT go unto all the world, etc, etc… Paul, however did go unto the heathen out in the world.

        Peter stayed with his own, the circumcision, the Jews. Why? because they had not yet, as a nation, accepted their Messiah. His job was incomplete. Notice in Acts 1:8 that there was an order to Peters progression through the great commission. It started in Jerusalem then moved into Judea, going forward to Samaria and finally to the uttermost parts of the world. He never went! Why? Because ALL ISRAEL was to go. It is the nation’s essential function to be the channel of blessing to the entire world. This is the very reason God created/called Israel/Abraham in the first place.

        That commission (delayed by the dispensation of the age of free grace revealed only to Paul by the “Ascended Christ”, not during His earthly ministry) has yet to be fulfilled; it will be in the last days when the Law is written in the Jewish believers hearts (Heb 9) and they are once again Holy Spirit empowered (early Acts) to go into all the world speaking all the languages God created working wonderful miracles everywhere.

        • pine

          “Jesus was not speaking to you. He was speaking to His Jewish disciples who were given that commission at the beginning of the Jewish nation. We are not Jews.”

          This is exactly what I wrote to you earlier when you stated that the writings of James because it was written “TO THE TWELVE TRIBES WHICH ARE SCATTERED ABROAD”, but when it comes to Paul’s writing to the Romans, it automatically becomes “That would be correct, in a sense. Paul, as the chosen Apostle to reveal the capstone of God’s revelation to man, in the form of the Mystery kept secret since the world began (Eph 3) was speaking directly to people now outside of the Kingdom doctrine.”

          In other words, like the muslims, you pick and choose what verses are applicable. Strictly speaking, since Jesus did not speak to us and neither did any of the apostles, then by your reasoning, if the letter was written to the Romans or Ephesians or …, it was meant ONLY for them! Unless those Romans, Ephesians, etc. are still alive and well for about 2000 years 🙂

          “We just need to rightly divide what promises He made and to whom He made them.”

          Who decides this? Is it Ted, pine, or …? Who will take that authority?

          “Peter and Paul had different messages… different gospels.”

          Really? I do not disagree that people can have different views, but to say they had different gospels is a bit too drastic. Such a reasoning would imply Paul subverted Christianity and made it his own! Was Peter a heretic? And if you truly believe that then anyone who does not subscribe to Paul is a liar and we should reject the letters written by Peter,James, etc.

          • Ted Lindblad III

            I’m not asking that you believe me pine. Study the Book, or don’t. Pay attention to what men say. Or don’t. Your call.

            Better yet, go build an Ark! Or, was God not speaking to you when He required that for survival?

    • Robert

      Good because the Spirit is telling you to come out of the Catholic Church!

      • Robert

        In all Reality Clear from many things especially Scripture The True Church is Christ and his Body and any so called Church and or Person who exalts itself above Christ or is instead of Christ is the Antichrist! As For me and my family we will Serve the Lord not the Antichrist!

        • And who is exalting himself above Christ? The Pope does not do that. No good Christian does that.

          • Robert

            Catholicanuk,

            I have given all the correct information to you so it is so abundantly clear!

  • Sunny
  • TeresaB

    Interesting
    http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/External/marytrin.html

    The following verses in the Qur’an say about Mary(P) being the part of Trinity.

    And behold! Allah will say: “O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, ‘Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah’?” He will say: “Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. [Qur’an 5:116]

    O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger from Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not “Three”: desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is One God: Glory be to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. [Qur’an 4:171]

    Therefore, the Christian missionaries for quite sometime have been saying that Muhammad(P) ‘misunderstood’ the true concept of Trinity, i.e, which says the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit constitute the trinitarian godhead.

    • pine

      Good that you spotted the flaw in Muhammad’s understanding TeresaB.

      Most mohammedans (muslims) think the Christian Trinity is Allah, Jesus and Mary. You must understand that Muhammad lived in a time 600 years after Christ. Christianity was already well established and there were many churches through the Roman and Byzantine Empire. You must also understand many heretics were driven out of by the church over time and settled in faraway lands with whom Muhammad made contact.

      Now think a little – If Muhammad entered in any of the churches (he was a merchant by profession and traveled many places), what do you think he saw? Have you entered into any of the Roman Catholic or Orthodox churches? Have you seen the image or icon of Theotokos? How do you think Muhammad interpreted this imagery? If you did not know the Bible, how would you interpret the Theotokos?

      TeresaB if your comment is to show that Catholics are placing the Blessed Virgin Mary in the Triune Godhead, you are gravely mistaken. You would have to show that the early Church till this day believes Mother Mary is part of the Holy Trinity. The writings of the various Ecumenical Councils are there for you to check.

      • Robert

        Pine,

        That is enough, what Teresa was pointing out is where something like that may be connected to and have started and the ideals behind it to support the facts of what is truly going on with some of the representations that were put forth.

        We know the True Church is Christ and his Body and any so called Church and or Person who exalts itself above Christ or is instead of Christ is the Antichrist. We are to serve Christ and Not the Antichrist!

        • pine

          “That is enough, what Teresa was pointing out is where something like that may be connected to and have started and the ideals behind it to support the facts of what is truly going on with some of the representations that were put forth. ”

          Robert, show me where did the Ecumenical councils place the Blessed Virgin Mary in the Triune Godhead. If you cant then I would suggest, you start understanding the environment in which Muhammad lived rather than start imagining things.

          • STL

            Pine: I’m really sorry how you believe but surely your going to the lake of fire, and you will suffer with Satan foever and ever. At least you’ll will not be lonely there?

      • Robert

        Pine,

        Here is how to look at the facts and what is truly being said. If 1 we know what the True Church which is very clear from Scripture noted below and we look at the comments made by the POPE there is a clear difference between the 2 and The POPE saying Mother Church when we know The True Church is not the Mother but Christ and the body of Christ.

        Here is what the POPE is saying and to be Clear I am not.

        Mary and the Church – carry on the hope that is Christ, they give us Christ, they bring forth Christ in us. Without Mary, there would be no Jesus Christ; without the Church, we cannot go forward“.

        The bible says, however that the “blessed hope” of the Christian is “the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.” Scripture never mentions Mary one time as being the hope of anyone or anything. But if you’re a Catholic Francis says that “ today we can go forward with a hope: the hope that our Mother Mary, steadfast at the Cross, and our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church, give us.“

        The Mother is not the Church of Christ and to say so is exalting and or glorifying the Mother above Christ or making instead of which Scripture clearly states the CHRIST and the BODY of Christ is the Church!

        We also know The Holy Spirit comes from the LORD Christ so to say the Mother is the Church is saying she would be part of the Trinity which we know is not true that in fact The Father, Son, and Spirit are also 1.

        Again I will provide Scripture There are also many versus about the Spirit, Son, and Father throughout scripture.

        Ephesians 1:22-23

        22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

        • Robert

          Understand the difference between Blessed and Glorified I also gave them below. Scripture also is clear that we do not take glory away from GOD!

          Definition of Blessed:
          The word blessed Jesus used in the Sermon on the Mount is from the Greek word makarios, which means to be happy or blissful, but it also means a self-contained happiness.

          Definition of Glorified:
          adjective
          1.
          (especially of something or someone ordinary or unexceptional) represented in such a way as to appear more elevated or special.
          “I did the paperwork and was basically a glorified secretary”
          2.
          (in religious contexts) made glorious.
          “the transformed and glorified Jesus”

          glorification is in some sense a partaking of God’s own glory ( Rom 5:2 ; 1 Thess 2:12 ; 2 Thess 2:14 ; 1 Peter 5:10 ).

          • pine

            Robert, Mary is called Blessed because she was chosen by God to be the mother of Jesus. Mary chose and accepted the divine will of God fully understanding God’s plan and we revere and venerate her.

            Have you considered how it must have been for a teenage girl in medieval times to willingly accept to be the mother of God? Of course in the modern world with teenage pregnancies outside wedlock, we seem to have lost the understanding of the immense social stigma, ostracizing, shame and persecution of the entire family that comes along with giving birth to a child outside wedlock. Why does the Bible say that Joseph wanted to divorce Mary quietly (Matthew 1:19-21) ? Is there a reason?

            So do Catholics call Mary “Blessed” ?

            The Angel Gabriel greets Mary in Luke 1:28 “And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women”

            Mary Visits Elizabeth, where Elizabeth says in Luke 1:42 “And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb”

            Mary’s song of praise when she says in Luke 1:48 “For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed”

            No one is taking glory away from God. However showing scant attention to Mary especially among modern Protestants when God himself chose the Blessed Virgin Mary and gave her honor is very very strange, especially considering Luke 1:48 reads “henceforth all generations shall call me blessed” – What does the word henceforth mean? Unless you believe the Holy Spirit did not inspire the writers of the New Testament 🙂

          • Robert

            Pine,

            I have given all the correct information to you so it is so abundantly clear!

        • pine

          “Pine,

          I have given all the correct information to you so it is so abundantly clear!”

          So have I Robert 🙂

          What does henceforth mean?

          • Robert

            Pine,

            I am sure you are reading everything I have written completely and not just picking and choosing what you want to read or hear.

            I do not nor will I ever agree with the statement the POPE made about there be no Christ without Mary as that statement alone by the POPE is saying Mary is Higher than Christ when she is not. Christ is GOD without GOD there is no Mary not the other way around.

            Also no one is to be more Blessed and or Glorified than Christ (GOD) Period!

        • pine

          Catholics do not deny God is to be given glory, but God can also share his glory with his creation e.g. Jesus gave his glory to his Apostles at the Last Supper – John 17:22-23 “I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one — I in them and you in me — so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me”

          When scripture says Mary is Blessed – “henceforth all generations shall call me blessed” (Luke 1:48), how is it that you are “picking and choosing what you want to read or hear”??? What is the meaning of henceforth??

          The Blessed Virgin Mary chose and accepted the divine will of God fully understanding God’s plan and gave birth to Jesus.

          Let me explain to you what the “Pope says there is no Christ without Mary” in another way.

          I hope you will agree that the late President Franklin D Roosevelt is the son of James Roosevelt I and Sara Ann Delano. If I said, there be no FDR without Sara Ann Delano, is that statement incorrect? If it is not incorrect, then how do you find “there is no Christ without Mary” strange? Have you had any example in history where a child is born without a mother?

          Robert, neither the Pope and neither Catholics believe Mary gave birth to the Holy Trinity. We Catholics believe God is eternal.

          • Robert

            Joseph Accepts Jesus as His Son
            18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about[d]: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. 19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet[e] did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.

            20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[f] because he will save his people from their sins.”

            22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”[g] (which means “God with us”).

          • Robert

            John 1:1

            The Word Became Flesh
            1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

  • anonomyous

    I am writing this article to counter certain serious theological errors promoted by the group called “Vox Populi Mariae Mediatrici,” which is Latin for ‘The voice of the people for Mary the Mediatrix.’

    In my theological opinion, the Blessed Virgin Mary does have a true role as co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix, Advocatrix given to her by God. But this role has been widely misunderstood and misrepresented, even by various theologians and by its most ardent supporters. My own speculative theology on this topic is found in my article: co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix, Advocatrix. Although I agree that the titles are fitting and true, if properly understood, this article raises some serious objections to the way that these three proposed titles for Mary have been treated by Vox Populi and its supporters.

    http://www.catholicplanet.com/CMA/contra-vox-populi.htm

    • Ted Lindblad III

      I am honestly not trying to be a wise guy, but it’s going to sound that way. I apologize in advance.

      You write… “In my theological opinion, the Blessed Virgin Mary does have a true role as co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix, Advocatrix given to her by God.”

      I must ask, why should anyone care what your theological opinion is? Yours, LIKE MY OWN, are the naturally flawed opinions of man which do not and can not compare with what God says. We have God’s Word as to what is actual and what is not. This is the essence of man’s problem. He wants to value his own opinion and feelings in addition to that of God’s revealed reality. The two don’t mix. satan enters into the one. Always has, always will.

  • TeresaB

    Pope Francis has hinted at his death in a recent Papacy speech. This is the first time he has mentioned the chance that he will die in the near future, and the news will come as a shock to many. Whenever he has spoken about his health in the past, he has only mentioned nerve problems

    http://guardianlv.com/2014/08/pope-francis-hints-at-death-in-papacy-speech/

  • pine

    STL – “Pine: I’m really sorry how you believe but surely your going to the lake of fire, and you will suffer with Satan foever and ever. At least you’ll will not be lonely there?”

    I believe God will decide who will and who wont go into the lake of fire 🙂

    However you too can answer the question I posed to Robert. Are you aware of any Ecumenical Councils where the Blessed Virgin Mary was made part of the Triune Godhead?

    Catholics and Protestants are aware that Muhammad was ignorant about the Bible. Unfortunately Muslims don’t realize Muhammad was in error, because they have been taught since youth that the Bible is corrupted and that all Christians (I am including Protestants as well as Catholics here) are polytheists.

    Even though Catholics and Protestants have doctrinal differences, neither Catholics nor Protestants believe the Holy Trinity is Allah, Mary and Jesus.

    • I can already hear the screeching and howling that will arise when I say what I say, but here goes.

      The term “Allah” does not belong to Islam alone. Allah is simply the Arabic word for God. Many who are not Muslim, such as Coptic and Maronite Christians, use the term Allah for God, because they are not speaking English. They used the word before Islam existed!

      In some places, it bothers the Muslims that others are using what they have come to believe is their word. Malaysia has banned the Christian use of the word Allah.

      So yes, there are Christians who believe that the Holy Trinity contains Allah. But none who believe it contains Mary.

      • pine

        catholicanuck, there is a difference between Allah of the Muslims and how Coptics, Maronites used call upon the name of the Lord and I am sure you are aware of this. However for most native English speaking people, they wouldn’t be familiar with this. Native English speakers don’t generally call God as Dieu (French), Theos (Greek), etc. 🙂 For most native English speakers, the word Allah is associated with Muslims and hence my comment.

        Muslims often try to show that the Allah we Christians used to believe (their interpretation) is the Allah they currently worship and they want to bring us back to what they believe is the “true faith” 🙂 I have to emphasize here that when Muslims say Allah, they are really saying Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala or Allah (SWT) in short. The Muslim Allah is not to be confused with how Arab Christians call God as Allah. The nature of the Muslim Allah and christian Allah are very very different. One can also see the same issues with the Muslim Jesus (Isa in Arabic) versus the Christian Jesus (Yasua in Arabic) even though there are some similarities which can be a good place to discuss our faith 🙂

        There is good evidence to show that Muhammad was influenced by Sabians, Quraish pagans, etc. and incorporated various practices as he developed his religion. For e.g., Sabians prayed 5 times a day, Quraish pagans circumambulated around the Kaaba to please the moon god Hubal and other deities which included Allah, etc. Obviously Muslims will deny this, but there is enough evidence in their scriptural texts and early biographies to show that they are in error. At which point they either wont believe you or will resort to taqiyya. Of course there are Muslims who will believe and accept Christ, but we Christians must remember that the punishment for apostasy in Islam deters them from accepting Christ and we need to pray for them.

  • @DB I can’t reply directly on the thread.

    I did explain why those like Pelosi are not always publicly admonished. They have excommunicated themselves. Truth is though that many HAVE been admonished by their bishops and priests. It is not usually done like a public flogging, in order to preserve the dignity of the sinner. After all, everyone sins.

    • DB

      .

      catholicanuck posted: ” to preserve the dignity of the sinner. ”
      _____________

      The RCC should be more concerned with offending God
      rather than offending the sensitivities of sinners.

      I will post this again… as a second witness:

      In God’s Law, God says over and over again to remove
      evil from your midst.

      Elijah didn’t tolerate evil in his midst… he didn’t
      tolerate the baal priests and try to “convert” them…
      he executed them.

      When King Josiah was told God’s Law, he was aghast…
      because he realized his Israel kingdom was sinning by
      tolerating pagans and sodomites and God would punish
      Josiah’s kingdom for tolerating evil.

      Josiah repented and made amends by immediately removing
      the evildoers and reprobates from his kingdom.

      It is bad enough there are no Christian kingdoms in the
      world today… only satanic secular pluralistic democracies.

      But when the churches follow suit by allowing, tolerating
      and even welcoming evil into the churches… then you know
      the end is near.

      Btw… In Josiah’s day, one of the sins was allowing sodomites
      into the temple. THIS is why God allowed Babylon to destroy
      Jerusalem and Edom to burn the temple. But since King Josiah
      repented and tried to make amends… God delayed that punishment
      during the lifetime of the king. If God only delayed punishment
      on a people who repented and tried to remove the evil they had
      tolerated for so long… what will God do to those who already
      know God’s Law… and the history of King Josiah… have it
      written in their Bibles in their own languages… but still
      refuse to repent and continue not just to tolerate.. but even
      try to justify… allowing evil to remain in their midst.

      .

      • Please read the rest of what I said. The Catholic Church does admonish sinners. Sinners remove themselves from God’s love. Even those who believe once saved always saved.

      • Donna

        “According to CNS News and The Wanderer, Cardinal Burke of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, the highest Vatican court, Nancy Pelosi must be denied Communion.”

        Action has been taken as of September 24, 2013. I wrote another response above. Certainly, you can google the Cardinal and Nancy Pelosi and see abundant news that the Vatican has taken steps to publicly correct Nancy Pelosi.

        Is she still receiving? I have no idea. We are living in the days of Laodicea. And if Protestants would be honest with themselves, it isn’t just Catholic leaders who turn a blind eye to sinful behavior. I attended a Baptist Church for 15 years and there was plenty of sinful behavior to go around.

        Jesus said it is not the well who need a physician, but the sick. It doesn’t change the facts that the RCC is the only Church that Jesus could have personally founded, and the Catholic Church is the only Church teaching correct doctrine.

  • STL

    CATHOLICNUCK: AS YOU TESTIFIED, YOU BELIEVE IN THE POPE THAN GOD’S SCRIPTURES, THAT WILL LEAD YOU TO HELL, BUT WE ALL CAN STOP ARGUEING BECAUSE THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT ONE DAY, WHILE YOUR STANDING IN THE JUDGEMENT LINE WAITING TO GIVE YOUR TESTIMONY TO JESUS CHRIST, BEFORE HE CAST YOU INTO HELL.

    • STL, I do not put the Pope before Scripture. I did not testify this. No one here has testified this. Scripture tells us not to judge, but that is exactly what you are doing. Please stop.

      • Ted Lindblad III

        “Scripture tells us not to judge…”

        Methinks you have a deep scriptural and spiritual problem. 1 Cor 2:15…

        “But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.”

        Scripture tells me otherwise. It tells me, since I am of God’s Heavenly people, and will one day carry the very image of Christ since I have already been made one with Him, that I will judge the angels which have fallen, as Israel will judge the peoples of the earth.

        1 Cor 6:3… “Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?”

        As in all aspects of life catholicanuck, you have been lied to by men through satan. It is a difficult thing to come to terms with, especially the magnitude of the lies put forth and the general acceptance they have garnered. Only the Bible, and the King James Bible at that, is Truth and only Truth. When you place ANY of your faith and trust ANYWHERE ELSE, you become open to the deception of man and thus the devil.

        You need to rethink your position very seriously and very carefully as you are dead wrong about many very serious things. It is not your fault. You have been lied to. It is within you to correct these errors. God gave you a brain and obviously you have love for Him. Use both to challenge what you currently believe. Test absolutely everything against the only location for Holy Scripture in the language you and I speak, the King James Bible.

        Or not. It’s all you.

      • Ted Lindblad III

        God’s “marching orders” for you and I, for all believers today, are found only in the epistles of Paul.

      • STL

        Catholicnuck: You missed a verse, God said we can judge people with righteous judgement.

  • Ted Lindblad III

    This “conversation” has run its course. What more can possibly be said? People believe what they want to believe. I’ll leave off with some words from pastor C.R. Stam…

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    In Eph. 1:13 the Apostle Paul declares that men are saved and sealed by hearing and believing “the Word of truth, the gospel of your salvation.” This declaration is substantiated by many other passages of Scripture. Our Lord said: “He that heareth… and believeth… hath everlasting life” (John 5:24). This at a time when sacrifices and baptism were still required for the remission of sins. Even then men had to hear and believe to be saved, for “faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God” (Rom. 10:17).

    Now, however, salvation is received by hearing and believing alone. Works for salvation are not merely unnecessary; they are forbidden. Today salvation is “to him that worketh not, but believeth” (Rom. 4:5). “For by grace are ye saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast” (Eph. 2:8,9).

    God has changed His dealings with men from time to time down through the ages, teaching one lesson at a time. This is why it is so important to note the dispensational distinctions in Scripture, “rightly dividing the Word of truth.”

    Once the works of the Law were required for salvation: “But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested” (Rom. 3:21) and men are saved solely by faith in Christ, “being justified freely by [God’s] grace, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus” (Rom. 3:24). We are saved, then, as we hear and believe what Paul calls, “the Word of truth, the gospel of your salvation” (Eph. 1:13), and we are established in the faith as we obey II Tim. 2:15: “rightly dividing the Word of truth.”

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    Till next time… peace y’all (2 Thes 3:16).

  • Robert

    Here is another good Verse that says the power of the MOST HIGH will Overshadow Mary!

    Luke 1

    34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”

    35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called[b] the Son of God.

    over·shad·ow
    : to cause (something or someone) to seem less important or impressive when compared to something or someone else

  • pine

    This is one of the problems one faces when one denies Church tradition and goes down the path of “scholarly” analysis 🙂

    Since we are about 2000 years removed from the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ, how will one answer these claims from scripture alone?

    Jesus Was Crucified Because Disciples Were Armed, Bible Analysis Suggests
    http://www.newsweek.com/jesus-was-crucified-because-disciples-were-armed-bible-analysis-suggests-271436?piano_t=1

    • Robert

      Pine,

      What does Church Tradition mean to you?

  • STL

    To all Catholic, keep believing what man ( Popes) has taught you, I rather believe only in God’s words and by faith through the Holy Spirit and we will see whose in heaven or hell?

  • DB

    .

    Soft on abortion and sodomites liberal, Blase Cupich of Spokane, was recently named archbishop of Chicago.

    Anyone with half a brain can see where the RCC is heading… and not just the RCC. There will be no King Josiah type reforms… only destruction.

    .

  • CrissCross
    • Robert

      Good Article! Reading these posts and seeing this article could bring anyone to the Truth!

  • Robert

    1 John 5:7-8

    7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

    8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

  • Mike savage

    What difference would what Francis is proposing make? Since no trinity exists, except within Satanism and paganism. Catholicism is mostly pagan. All religion originated with Satan in the Garden of Eden. All religion is an abomination to God Almighty, and all religionists are going to receive a judgement of condemnation to death. Francis will not survive the judgement day (period of 1000 years post Armageddon).

  • Robert

    Ephesians 4

    4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

  • Beaumont

    I was going to say that this is relavent to Biblical gender roles, but, please, consider some rational moderation policy.

  • CrissCross

    Bishop urges Christians to call God ‘Allah’! 🙄
    http://www.wnd.com/2007/08/43066/

  • Noah Fence

    Wow. Just wow.

    When I was a kid, I absolutely hated asparagus. Didn’t want to touch it. No way; no how.

    Why?
    Because my older sister told me it was horrible.

    Years went by, and I finally had it. I was in my 30s. Now, it is my favorite vegetable. I lost out for so many years because of what one person told me. I was ignorant.

    Satan will do whatever he can to deceive you. He will attack Christians through media, false prophets, through movies, and any means necessary to keep you from getting to the Truth, from getting to the Church.

    Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you, this very Church: The Catholic Church. He will do what he can to keep you from it.

    So, try the asparagus. It might just become your favorite.

    You can’t just walk in, sit through Mass, then walk out. Ask to sit down with the priest. He is called to save you, by accepting Christ as your Lord and Savior. He is certainly not going to tell you Mary is.

    Stop being ignorant.

  • Martin Luther’s Devotion to Mary:

    Despite the radicalism of early Protestantism toward many ancient Catholic “distinctives,” such as the Communion of the Saints, Penance, Purgatory, Infused Justification, the Papacy, the priesthood, sacramental marriage, etc., it may surprise many to discover that Martin Luther was rather conservative in some of his doctrinal views, such as on baptismal regeneration, the Eucharist, and particularly the Blessed Virgin Mary.

    Luther indeed was quite devoted to Our Lady, and retained most of the traditional Marian doctrines which were held then and now by the Catholic Church. This is often not well-documented in Protestant biographies of Luther and histories of the 16th century, yet it is undeniably true. It seems to be a natural human tendency for latter-day followers to project back onto the founder of a movement their own prevailing viewpoints.

    Since Lutheranism today does not possess a very robust Mariology, it is usually assumed that Luther himself had similar opinions. We shall see, upon consulting the primary sources (i.e., Luther’s own writings), that the historical facts are very different. We shall consider, in turn, Luther’s position on the various aspects of Marian doctrine.

    Along with virtually all important Protestant Founders (e.g., Calvin, Zwingli, Cranmer), Luther accepted the traditional belief in the perpetual virginity of Mary (Jesus had no blood brothers), and her status as the Theotokos (Mother of God):

    Christ, ..was the only Son of Mary, and the Virgin Mary bore no children besides Him… “brothers” really means “cousins” here, for Holy Writ and the Jews always call cousins brothers. (Sermons on John, chapters 1-4.1537-39).
    He, Christ, our Savior, was the real and natural fruit of Mary’s virginal womb.. .This was without the cooperation of a man, and she remained a virgin after that. (Ibid.)

    God says… “Mary’s Son is My only Son.” Thus Mary is the Mother of God. (Ibid.).

    God did not derive his divinity from Mary; but it does not follow that it is therefore wrong to say that God was born of Mary, that God is Mary’s Son, and that Mary is God’s mother…She is the true mother of God and bearer of God…Mary suckled God, rocked God to sleep, prepared broth and soup for God, etc. For God and man are one person, one Christ, one Son, one Jesus. not two Christs. . .just as your son is not two sons…even though he has two natures, body and soul, the body from you, the soul from God alone. (On the Councils and the Church, 1539).

    Probably the most astonishing Marian belief of Luther is his acceptance of Mary’s Immaculate Conception, which wasn’t even definitively proclaimed as dogma by the Catholic Church until 1854. Concerning this question there is some dispute, over the technical aspects of medieval theories of conception and the soul, and whether or not Luther later changed his mind. Even some eminent Lutheran scholars, however, such as Arthur Carl Piepkorn (1907-73) of Concordia Seminary in St. Louis, maintain his unswerving acceptance of the doctrine. Luther’s words follow:

    It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary’s soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with God’s gifts, receiving a pure soul infused by God; thus from the first moment she began to live she was free from all sin” (Sermon: “On the Day of the Conception of the Mother of God,” 1527).
    She is full of grace, proclaimed to be entirely without sin—something exceedingly great. For God’s grace fills her with everything good and makes her devoid of all evil. (Personal {“Little”} Prayer Book, 1522).

    Later references to the Immaculate Conception appear in his House sermon for Christmas (1533) and Against the Papacy of Rome (1545). In later life (he died in 1546), Luther did not believe that this doctrine should be imposed on all believers, since he felt that the Bible didn’t explicitly and formally teach it. Such a view is consistent with his notion of sola Scriptura and is similar to his opinion on the bodily Assumption of the Virgin, which he never denied—although he was highly critical of what he felt were excesses in the celebration of this Feast. In his sermon of August 15, 1522, the last time he preached on the Feast of the Assumption, he stated:

    There can he no doubt that the Virgin Mary is in heaven. How it happened we do not know. And since the Holy Spirit has told us nothing about it, we can make of it no article of faith… It is enough to know that she lives in Christ.
    Luther held to the idea and devotional practice of the veneration of Mary and expressed this on innumerable occasions with the most effusive language:

    The veneration of Mary is inscribed in the very depths of the human heart. (Sermon, September 1, 1522).
    [She is the] highest woman and the noblest gem in Christianity after Christ. ..She is nobility, wisdom, and holiness personified. We can never honor her enough. Still honor and praise must be given to her in such a way as to injure neither Christ nor the Scriptures. (Sermon, Christmas, 1531).

    No woman is like you. You are more than Eve or Sarah, blessed above all nobility, wisdom, and sanctity. (Sermon, Feast of the Visitation. 1537).

    One should honor Mary as she herself wished and as she expressed it in the Magnificat. She praised God for his deeds. How then can we praise her? The true honor of Mary is the honor of God, the praise of God’s grace.. .Mary is nothing for the sake of herself, but for the sake of Christ…Mary does not wish that we come to her, but through her to God. (Explanation of the Magnificat, 1521).

    Luther goes even further, and gives the Blessed Virgin the exalted position of “Spiritual Mother” for Christians, much the same as in Catholic piety:

    It is the consolation and the superabundant goodness of God, that man is able to exult in such a treasure. Mary is his true Mother, Christ is his brother. God is his father. (Sermon. Christmas, 1522)
    Mary is the Mother of Jesus and the Mother of all of us even though it was Christ alone who reposed on her knees…If he is ours, we ought to be in his situation; there where he is, we ought also to be and all that he has ought to be ours, and his mother is also our mother. (Sermon, Christmas, 1529).

    Luther did strongly condemn any devotional practices which implied that Mary was in any way equal to our Lord or that she took anything away from His sole sufficiency as our Savior. This is, and always has been, the official teaching of the Catholic Church. Unfortunately, Luther often “threw out the baby with the bath water,” when it came to criticizing erroneous emphases and opinions which were prevalent in his time—falsely equating them with Church doctrine. His attitude towards the use of the “Hail Mary” prayer (the first portion of the Rosary) is illustrative. In certain polemical utterances he appears to condemn its recitation altogether, but he is only forbidding a use of Marian devotions apart from heartfelt faith, as the following two citations make clear:

    Whoever possesses a good (firm) faith, says the Hail Mary without danger! Whoever is weak in faith can utter no Hail Mary without danger to his salvation. (Sermon, March 11, 1523).
    Our prayer should include the Mother of God.. .What the Hail Mary says is that all glory should be given to God, using these words: “Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus Christ. Amen!” You see that these words are not concerned with prayer but purely with giving praise and honor.. .We can use the Hail Mary as a meditation in which we recite what grace God has given her. Second, we should add a wish that everyone may know and respect her…He who has no faith is advised to refrain from saying the Hail Mary. (Personal Prayer Book, 1522).

    To summarize, it is apparent that Luther was extraordinarily devoted to the Blessed Virgin Mary, which is notable in light of his aversion to so many other “Papist” or “Romish” doctrines, as he was wont to describe them. His major departure occurs with regard to the intercession and invocation of the saints, which he denied, in accord with the earliest systematic Lutheran creed, the Augsburg Confession of 1530 (Article 21).

    His views of Mary as Mother of God and as ever-Virgin were identical to those in Catholicism, and his opinions on the Immaculate Conception, Mary’s “Spiritual Motherhood” and the use of the “Hail Mary” were substantially the same. He didn’t deny the Assumption (he certainly didn’t hesitate to rail against doctrines he opposed!), and venerated Mary in a very touching fashion which, as far as it goes, is not at all contrary to Catholic piety.

    Therefore, it can be stated without fear of contradiction that Luther’s Mariology is very close to that of the Catholic Church today, far more than it is to the theology of modern-day Lutheranism. To the extent that this fact is dealt with at all by Protestants, it is usually explained as a “holdover” from the early Luther’s late medieval Augustinian Catholic views (“everyone has their blind spots,” etc.). But this will not do for those who are serious about consulting Luther in order to arrive at the true “Reformation heritage” and the roots of an authentic Protestantism. For if Luther’s views here can be so easily rationalized away, how can the Protestant know whether he is trustworthy relative to his other innovative doctrines such as extrinsic justification by faith alone and sola Scriptura?

    It appears, once again, that the truth about important historical figures is almost invariably more complex than the “legends” and overly-simplistic generalizations which men often at the remove of centuries—create and accept uncritically.

    Dave Armstrong’s Internet Website: Biblical Defense of Catholicism at http://ic.net/~erasmus/.

    Dave was received into the Catholic Church in 1991 from Evangelical Protestantism. His complete conversion story can be found in Surprised by Truth.

    This item 788 digitally provided courtesy of CatholicCulture.org

    • Robert

      2 Peter 2

      False Teachers and Their Destruction

      2 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.

      3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

      • Noah Fence

        ^^^^^^^^^^
        Quoting The New Testament.
        You do realize Peter was our first Pope, correct? Why have you not discarded this book along with the other books you have discarded from the Bible? Take the books you want to take, and discard the others because they don’t sit right with you?

        • Robert

          If you are quoting the new testament please give me the quote that says Peter was the First POPE! I am sure it is has and never was written that Peter was the First Pope and in previous posts I gave supporting information behind what the truth is so Make sure what is being presented is the Truth and not False information and teachings.

    • Noah Fence

      Awesome Brother Ella!
      Of course, there will be retaliation.

      One the positive side, reading this inspired me to go to Mass at lunch. First time I have been to Mass in at least 6 months. Obviously, if I haven’t been to Mass, I haven’t been to confession. (Here comes another argument.) Since I haven’t been to confession, I did not receive the Host.

      They never have confession after noon Mass. Well, today they did. There are no coincidences.

  • SPIRITUAL COMMUNION

    http://www.ourcatholicprayers.com/spiritual-communion.html

    Do you feel too busy to make time for our Lord? An Act of Spiritual Communion can help! No matter what your day is like, Jesus can help make it better, or at least more bearable, if you ask him for His help and guidance in prayers such as this one, composed by St. Alphonsus Liguori in the 18th century:

    HERE IS THE PRAYER FOR SPIRITUAL COMMUNION:
    My Jesus, I believe that you are present in the most Blessed Sacrament. I love You above all things and I desire to receive You into my soul. Since I cannot now receive You sacramentally, come at least spiritually into my heart. I embrace You as if You have already come, and unite myself wholly to You. Never permit me to be separated from You. Amen.

    The best way to receive Christ is in Holy Communion at Mass. (The picture above from a 19th century holy card commemorates the first Communion given out by our Lord Himself at the Last Supper.)

    Yet for those times you can’t make Mass, or can’t take Communion because of an unconfessed mortal sin (for which you can ask for and receive God’s forgiveness in the Sacrament of Penance), you can still reach out to Him by making a Spiritual Communion in prayer!

    St. Thomas Aquinas once defined a Spiritual Communion as “an ardent desire to receive Jesus in the Most Holy Sacrament [in Communion at Mass] and in lovingly embracing Him as if we had actually received Him.”

    You can receive the Lord in Holy Communion up to twice a day as discussed here. However, you can make a Spiritual Communion as whenever and wherever you’d like, using the prayer given above, others like it such as the one below, or your own heartfelt thoughts.

    It is an important part of Church teaching that the consecrated bread (in the form of wafers we call hosts) becomes what is known as the Blessed Sacrament, referred to in St. Alphonsus’s prayer above.

    Those hosts not used in Holy Communion at Mass are placed in a special box known as the Tabernacle to be given out later to the sick or the dying who cannot attend Mass, and to be exposed otherwise for adoration in what is known as the Rite of Eucharistic Exposition and Benediction.

    You can make a Spiritual Communion such as this one below during Mass, or before our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament, or anywhere else where the Spirit moves you.

    Oh Jesus, I turn toward the holy tabernacle where You live hidden for love of me. I love you, O my God. I cannot receive you in Holy Communion. Come, nevertheless, and visit me with Your grace. Come spiritually into my heart. Purify it. Sanctify it. Render it like unto Your own. Amen.

    Lord, I am not worthy that Thou shouldst enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.

    This last sentence is drawn from Matthew’s Gospel (Matt 8:6), in which a Roman Centurion expressed his deep faith in our Lord’s healing powers (in this case to cure his servant rather than his soul). Jesus was quite moved by the soldier’s faith, and healed his servant at once.

    Christ might not answer us quite so instantaneously, but rest assured, He can and will respond to anyone who comes to Him in love and humility for His Divine assistance. After all, didn’t he say in the Sermon on the Mount, concerning the power of prayer, “Ask, and it shall be given you: seek, and you shall find” (Matt 7:7)?

    Indeed, our Lord loves each of us so much that he gives us great opportunities to be with Him on a daily basis. If the Pope came to your parish, you’d probably have to elbow your way through crowds of people
    to catch a glimpse of him.

    And yet, think of it! You can have your own private “audience” with Christ at Mass in Holy Communion or in Spiritual Communion in front of the Blessed Sacrament! Countless Saints and theologians throughout the centuries have extolled the virtues and great spiritual benefits we can receive from this time spent with our Lord.

    Remember, however, that you can “turn toward the holy tabernacle” and receive Jesus in your heart from anywhere you might happen to be, at any time, day or night!

    You just need to approach Him with sincerity, humility and a desire to follow in His footsteps in acts of faith and charity. And He’s delighted when we do so! The Baltimore Catechism notes that a Spiritual Communion “is an act of devotion, and one very pleasing to God.”

    St. Jean-Marie Vianney, a French priest famous for converting countless souls to Christ in his parish of Ars in the 19th century, once said “when we feel the love of God growing cold, let us instantly make a Spiritual Communion. When we cannot go to the church, let us turn towards the tabernacle; no wall can shut us out from the good God.” We can indeed be grateful for that!

  • Robert

    Here is a re post for those who could not find this now it is fresh!

    But while Peter was central in the early spread of the gospel (part of the meaning behind Matthew 16:18-19), the teaching of Scripture, taken in context, nowhere declares that he was in authority over the other apostles, or over the church (having primacy). See Acts 15:1-23; Galatians 2:1-14; and 1 Peter 5:1-5. Nor is it ever taught in Scripture that the bishop of Rome, or any other bishop, was to have primacy over the church. Scripture does not even explicitly record Peter even being in Rome. Rather there is only one reference in Scripture of Peter writing from “Babylon,” a name sometimes applied to Rome (1 Peter 5:13).

    Also, nowhere does Scripture state that, in order to keep the church from error, the authority of the apostles was passed on to those they ordained (the idea behind apostolic succession). Apostolic succession is “read into” those verses that the Roman Catholic Church uses to support this doctrine (2 Timothy 2:2; 4:2-5; Titus 1:5; 2:1; 2:15; 1 Timothy 5:19-22). Paul does NOT call on believers in various churches to receive Titus, Timothy, and other church leaders based on their authority as bishops or their having apostolic authority, but rather based upon their being fellow laborers with him (1 Corinthians 16:10; 16:16; 2 Corinthians 8:23).

    What Scripture DOES teach is that false teachings would arise even from among church leaders, and that Christians were to compare the teachings of these later church leaders with Scripture, which alone is infallible (Matthew 5:18; Psalm 19:7-8; 119:160; Proverbs 30:5; John 17:17; 2 Peter 1:19-21). The Bible does not teach that the apostles were infallible, apart from what was written by them and incorporated into Scripture. Paul, in talking to the church leaders in the large city of Ephesus, makes note of coming false teachers. To fight against their error does NOT commend them to “the apostles and those who would carry on their authority”; rather, Paul commends them to “God and to the word of His grace” (Acts 20:28-32). It is Scripture that was to be the infallible measuring stick for teaching and practice (2 Timothy 3:16-17), not apostolic successors. It is by examining the Scriptures that teachings are shown to be true or false (Acts 17:10-12).

    Was Peter the first pope? The answer, according to Scripture, is a clear and emphatic “no.” Peter nowhere claims supremacy over the other apostles. Nowhere in his writings (1 and 2 Peter) did the Apostle Peter claim any special role, authority, or power over the church. Nowhere in Scripture does Peter, or any other apostle, state that their apostolic authority would be passed on to successors. Yes, the Apostle Peter had a leadership role among the disciples. Yes, Peter played a crucial role in the early spread of the gospel (Acts chapters 1-10). Yes, Peter was the “rock” that Christ predicted he would be (Matthew 16:18). However, these truths about Peter in no way give support to the concept that Peter was the first pope, or that he was the “supreme leader” over the apostles, or that his authority would be passed on to the bishops of Rome. Peter himself points us all to the true Shepherd and Overseer of the church, the Lord Jesus Christ (1 Peter 2:25).

    • Ted Lindblad III

      Robert writes:

      “But while Peter was central in the early spread of the gospel…”

      My question/statement, which gospel?

      Galatians 2:7… “But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;”

      2:8… “(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)”

      2:9… “And when James, Cephas (this is Peter), and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.”

      The scriptures show definitively that there is a gospel of the Jews and a gospel of the Gentiles (there are more “gospels” than that as well). Peter was in command of one and Paul the other. Jesus Christ, while on earth, gave a commission to Peter; and after he was Glorified, He gave a separate commission to Paul. Peter was given the keys to Gods earthly Kingdom. Paul was given charge over the people to occupy Gods heavenly Kingdom. “Christianity” today ignores this most basic fact of NT doctrine. “Christians” are badly confused as can so easily be seen here, and satan loves it. The scripture shows clearly that Peter stayed in Jerusalem ministering to Jews. Peter never “became” a “Christian”. Peter was and is a Jew. Peter saw and understood what God was doing in the world after meeting with Paul in Acts 15 and Galatians 2. (See 2 Peter 3:15-18) Peter understands that salvation is no longer of the Jews (Acts 28:28). Something new has occurred in God’s dealing with mankind. The world ignores the commission given to the Apostle Paul.

      Romans 3:21… “But now the righteousness of God WITHOUT the law is manifest, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;”

      Romans 6:14… “For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are NOT under the law, but under grace.”

      In Biblical reality, Catholics are “Jew wannabees” as their first “pope” was and is a Jew, who will one day sit on a throne in Jerusalem, the capitol of Israel (someday the world). Protestants are simmilar though to a slightly lesser degree, but the churches I used to attend (Methodist, Baptist) still attempt to follow Peter with varying amounts of Paul sprinkled in for “good graceful measure”. All are still under the bondage of the Law which Jesus Christ died to take away. He must be so very sad to see His atoning death affect so few.

      satan has sowed so much confusion it is stunning. The job he has done, from an objective standpoint, is both tremendous and horrific.

      2 Cor 11:14-15… “And no marvel; for satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.”

      Why shall their end be according to their works and not ours? Because they are not trusting in the finished work of Jesus Christ as payment for their sin. They are not accepting the free gift God has so graciously offered, they are trying to pay for their own sin nature via their works. It can’t be done. No one can be “good” enough to earn heaven. It is why we require a Savior. They will learn the hardest way.

  • Robert

    The Word of GOD cannot and will not EVER be defeated!

  • Noah Fence

    Robert,

    It is clear that neither of us, nor the followers of the denominations, will be swayed one way or another, by these postings.

    I will say this:
    One day, we shall both stand before the Lord. Because I follow the Catholic faith, you are certain I am to be Damned.
    Please read Matthew 7:1

    I shall not judge you or your denomination. Please do the same. As the Bible teaches us.

    • Robert

      Your Faith is to be in Christ and only Christ.

      What verse speaks of denominations in Scripture? We do not follow Denominations.

      • Ted Lindblad III

        AMEN…!!! Which Christ, however? Christ during His earthly ministry in covenant to the nation Israel, or His ministry of free grace to the world through the Apostle Paul?

        2 Corinthians 11:1-4…

        “11 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.

        2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

        3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

        4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.”

        • Robert

          2 Corinthians 5

          The Ministry of Reconciliation
          11 Since, then, we know what it is to fear the Lord, we try to persuade others. What we are is plain to God, and I hope it is also plain to your conscience. 12 We are not trying to commend ourselves to you again, but are giving you an opportunity to take pride in us, so that you can answer those who take pride in what is seen rather than in what is in the heart. 13 If we are “out of our mind,” as some say, it is for God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you. 14 For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. 15 And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.

          16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come:[a] The old has gone, the new is here! 18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21 God made him who had no sin to be sin[b] for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

          • Ted Lindblad III

            Amen once again Robert. We are entrusted with the ministry of reconciliation. Since God Himself has reconciled Himself with a fallen world through the death, burial and resurrection of His Son, it is we who are His ambassadors of the free grace He so generously offers and first made known through the Apostle to the Gentiles, Paul.

            That was not my question though. My question was (as is Paul’s to the Corinthian believers), which Christ do we follow?

            Another conversation we might have at a later date is which Bible should we be reading. Verse 16 is key above and the bible you are studying misses the intent of the verse.

            The King James Bible reads in 2 Cor 5:16… “Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.”

            Get the context. We know Christ no more after the flesh. His earthly ministry when he was Emmanuel, God made flesh, was specifically to the nation Israel. We do not know THAT Christ. That Christ was for Israel as God the Father promised His nation (and the world – through the nation Israel) so long ago.

            Mat 15:24… “But he answered and said I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

            We know the Risen and Glorified Christ who saved Paul on the road to Damascus! It is THAT Christ we follow as we are not Israel. Paul writes:

            1 Cor 11:1… “Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.”

            1 Cor 14:37… “If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.”

            I understand that what I write is strange. Strange does not necessitate an incorrect position however.

            An awesome study, if you would like to devote 7 hours to your personal Bible study time, can be found on YouTube. It is entitled “Through the Bible in Seven Hours” and is taught by Richard Jordan.

            Here is a link to hour 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXamj_ptEmY

            It will delve into which Bible we should be studying as well as how we should be studying it. There are parts of the Bible that are for our learning and parts that are instructions directly to us. Our Lord Jesus Christ was not instructing us during His earthly ministry. He instructs and directs us Gentile doggies through the Apostle Paul alone. I hope you decide to examine these teachings. They are different and very compelling to say the absolute least and will provide you perspective that very few (are willing to) possess.

            Peace!

      • Noah Fence

        Robert,

        Thanks. I stand corrected.
        Catholics and Protestants.
        You are a Protestant because you protest the Catholic Church.
        The Catholic Faith is in Christ and only Christ.

        And, again as this is clearly going nowhere, and you stand in judgement, I will heed Jesus’ words:
        Matthew 10:14
        Luke 10:11

        I will pray for you, my brother.

  • JUST A COMMENT: http://catholic.net/index.php?option=dedestaca&id=617&grupo=&canal=

    “By Their Fruits You Will Know Them”
    Challenge: Try to fulfill one of the corporal works of mercy.
    by Father Jason Smith, LC | Source: Catholic.net
    June 25, 2008
    Wednesday of the twelfth week in ordinary time

    Matthew 7: 15-20
    Jesus said to his disciples: “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will know them. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? Just so, every good tree bears good fruit, and a rotten tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a rotten tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. So by their fruits you will know them.”
    Introductory Prayer: Lord Jesus, I place myself in your presence. I have set aside this moment for you, so that you can speak to me and I can listen to your words. Speak to my heart! I believe that you are present, with all the graces I need right now, in the current circumstances of my life. I hope in you, Lord, because I know I cannot place my hope in the things of the world. I love you, Lord, and I know how much you love me.
    Petition: Lord God, may my life be filled with good fruit.
    1. The Fruits of the Cross “A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a rotten tree bear good fruit.” In the apse of the ancient Church of St. Clement in Rome there is a mosaic of the Cross in the form of a tree. Hanging from its branches are some fruits that come from the Cross: charity, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, gentleness, faithfulness, modesty, self-control, and chastity. When embraced with love, the Cross becomes the most fertile of trees. Here one finds the sweet and mature harvest of the love of God, which has the power to transform the rotten fruit of egotism into charity, of anguish into joy, anxiety into peace, anger into patience, brutality into kindness, avarice into generosity, violence into gentleness, infidelity into faithfulness, disregard into modesty, willfulness into self-control, and impurity into chastity.
    2. Finding Good Fruit “ Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles?” No matter how hard a thorn bush or thistle tries, it will never grow grapes or figs. Good fruit does not depend on nice intentions, kind words, or generous promises but on the quality of the tree itself. The only tree in the garden where we can expect to find true and lasting fruit is the wood of our cross united with Christ’s—everything else ultimately turns into thistles and thorns.
    3. A Fruitful Life “By their fruits you will know them.” As lush fruit is the sign of a healthy tree, good works are a sign of a noble heart. True faith leads to a genuine compassion for others. This is the polar opposite of the false prophets our Lord warns against in today’s Gospel. They appear as sheep disguised with pleasant words and empty promises, but inside are ravenous wolves that have no real concern other than feeding their own egotism and pride. A true faith, however, is one rich with the fruit that comes from Christ: feeding the hungry, giving drink to the thirsty, clothing the naked, sheltering the homeless, visiting the sick, visiting the imprisoned, burying the dead—the corporal works mercy are a sign of a true disciple of Christ. Counseling the doubtful, instructing the ignorant, admonishing sinners, comforting the afflicted, forgiving offenses, bearing wrongs patiently, praying for the dead—these are all spiritual fruits from the tree of the Gospel. “By their fruits you will know them.”
    Dialogue with Christ: “DISCIPLE: O Lord, open my heart to Your commandments. Give me the grace to understand your will, and with great reverence and consideration remember all your blessings, so that from now on I may be able to thank you for them worthily” (Thomas à Kempis, Imitation of Christ, Book III, Chapter 22).
    Resolution: Today I will try to fulfill one of the corporal works of mercy.

  • Leon

    🙁 The Catholic Liturgy is a Satanic Ritual – the Evidence!!!
    http://humansarefree.com/2014/10/the-catholic-liturgy-is-satanic-ritual.html

  • juaralagu

    God says that light cant be together with darkness
    To me, it also means that christ believer must not marry a non believer
    But the pope says “of course they can, with my approval of course”
    I know of a catholic who married a buddhist and had the blessing in a catholic church
    I asked the bride, how is this possble
    She said, ow we’ve already got the approval of the pope
    What makes it even more outrageous: my brother, a protestant, married a catholic girl and he had to get the pope’s approval too.
    So in the eye of the catholic church, protestants are in the same ctegory as the buddhists. Great!

    • Noah Fence

      First of all, juaralagu, I assume you meant Catholic Church. Uppercase, not lower case. lower case is indicative of a church following Christianity, while uppercase is the Catholic Church itself.

      The Buddhist/Catholic marriage was “Blessed” by the Church, correct? The best way to lead someone to Christ is by example. Don’t you agree? I do think it would be a difficult marriage as they would not be equally yoked.

      Your brother, a Protestant Christian marrying a Catholic Christian, could be married in the Church, married outside the Church, married on the beach, provided it was by a Christian minister. The Catholic Church recognizes the marriage as a Christian marriage.

      If you are Catholic, getting divorced from a Non-Christian, the annulment process is easy. Not a Christian marriage, therefore, not a marriage, null and void. Catholic getting divorced from a Protestant…… different story.

  • CrissCross

    A bit off-topic, but still sharing…nice article 😉

    Imagine That: Women Lying To Women!
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/imagine-women-lying-women/

  • Liya Addis

    Mother of God is a virgin, some say Jesus had brothers but the Hebrew and Greek terms for “brother” are often used to refer to relatives who are not necessarily what we in English would term “brothers,” i.e., perhaps a cousin or an uncle, or some other relative. For example, Abraham and Lot are called adelphoi in Gen. 14:14 in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the OT used by the Apostles), though they are certainly not what we would call “brothers.” Jacob and Laban are also called “brothers” (Gen. 29:15), though Laban would have been Jacob’s uncle. In any event, the words do not mean the precise thing that the modern English “brother” does.
    Beyond that, it is nowhere to be found in Scripture that any man other than God-man Jesus Christ is called the child of Mary.
    Some would cite the use of the “until” in Scripture (“…and he knew her not until (Greek eos) her having brought forth her firstborn son…” (Matthew 1:25; Luke 2:7)) it is not saying he knew her sexually but this is to indicate he knew her as being a new Ark of the Covenant, a created thing which somehow contained the uncontainable God. he understood her as one would understand the Ark, that she had been set aside for use by God, and that her womb had in some sense been made into a temple. The language used for the Virgin in the New Testament parallels that used for the Ark in the Old

  • Resa†FaceFacts

    Rome will be taken down by the evil one…the Pope will be the last Pope.
    The Harlots are the ones taking over Rome. Christians are being killed by Muslims. Your anti-Catholic views are sickening. The lost books of the Bible do tell the story of the Blessed Mary but the Bishops in Europe all agreed that they would kind of up stage Jesus so they were omitted. The Blessed Mother appears in Medjugorje. Her latest message is: October 25, 2014

    “Dear children! Pray in this time of grace and seek the intercession of all the saints who are already in the light. From day to day may they be an example and encouragement to you on the way of your conversion. Little children, be aware that your life is short and passing. Therefore, yearn for eternity and keep preparing your hearts in prayer. I am with you and intercede before my Son for each of you, especially for those who have consecrated themselves to me and to my Son. Thank you for having responded to my call.”

    You are far from the truth and your judgment on people is of grave sin. Apparently, you really do not understand the Catholic Church and have been brainwashed away from the truth. †

    There are plenty of versus in the Bible concerning Mary. Jesus’ brothers were assumed to be from Joesph since he was older. There is not way to decipher the Bible where these brothers actually came from.

    Blessed Mary has appeared on Earth for GOOD and for GOD. Do some research on that!

  • Resa†FaceFacts

    REV 12 13 “When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. 15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.”

  • Isaiah Teneza

    John 3 16: “For God so loved the world and gave His only son so that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

    Gal 2:21 “If we can be acceptable to God by obeying the Law, it was useless for Christ to die.”

    Eph 2: 8-10″For it is by GRACE you have been saved, through FAITH, and this not from yourselves it is the gift of God, NOT BY WORKS!!! so that no one can boast. For we are Gods handiwork, created in CHRIST JESUS to do good works, which God prepared in ADVANCE for us to DO.”

    Rom 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

    John 14:6 “Jesus answered , I am the way The truth and the life no one comes to the father except through me.”

    in order to be saved, you must receive Christ Jesus, in your heart, you can accept God’s free gift of eternal life through a simple prayer SURRENDER YOUR LIFE NOW IN CHRIST! HE LOVES YOU SO MUCH… Note: pray it with all your heart mind soul and strength..

    Prayer:
    “Lord Jesus, I need you. I confess that I am running my life on my own, But today Lord I quit! I believe that you died on the cross to pay for all my sins . and rose on the third day declaring your victory on winning the humanity, I ask you to come into my life as my Lord and Savior. I humbly accept your Free gift of eternal life. Please help me live my life Your way starting today. Thank you Lord, From now on I am yours and I belong to you! In Christ Jesus name I pray Amen!”

  • Isaiah Teneza

    John 3 16: “For God so loved the world and gave His only son so that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

    Gal 2:21 “If we can be acceptable to God by obeying the Law, it was useless for Christ to die.”

    Eph 2: 8-10″For it is by GRACE you have been saved, through FAITH, and this not from yourselves it is the gift of God, NOT BY WORKS!!! so that no one can boast. For we are Gods handiwork, created in CHRIST JESUS to do good works, which God prepared in ADVANCE for us to DO.”

    Rom 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

    John 14:6 “Jesus answered , I am the way The truth and the life no one comes to the father except through me.”

    in order to be saved, you must receive Christ Jesus, in your heart, you can accept God’s free gift of eternal life through a simple prayer. SURRENDER YOUR LIFE NOW IN CHRIST! HE LOVES YOU SO MUCH… Note: pray it with all your heart mind soul and strength..

    Prayer:
    “Lord Jesus, I need you. I confess that I am running my life on my own, But today Lord I quit! I believe that you died on the cross to pay for all my sins . and rose on the third day declaring your victory on winning the humanity, I ask you to come into my life as my Lord and Savior. I humbly accept your Free gift of eternal life. Please help me live my life Your way starting today. Thank you Lord, From now on I am yours and I belong to you! In Christ Jesus name I pray Amen!”

  • Isaiah Teneza

    John 3 16: “For God so loved the world and gave His only son so that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

    Gal 2:21 “If we can be acceptable to God by obeying the Law, it was useless for Christ to die.”

    Eph 2: 8-10″For it is by GRACE you have been saved, through FAITH, and this not from yourselves it is the gift of God, NOT BY WORKS!!! so that no one can boast. For we are Gods handiwork, created in CHRIST JESUS to do good works, which God prepared in ADVANCE for us to DO.”

    Rom 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

    John 14:6 “Jesus answered , I am the way The truth and the life no one comes to the father except through me.”

    SURRENDER YOUR LIFE NOW IN CHRIST! HE LOVES YOU SO MUCH…
    in order to be saved, you must receive Christ Jesus, in your heart, you can accept God’s free gift of eternal life through a simple prayer. Note: pray it with all your heart mind soul and strength..

    Prayer:
    “Lord Jesus, I need you. I confess that I am running my life on my own, But today Lord I quit! I believe that you died on the cross to pay for all my sins . and rose on the third day declaring your victory on winning the humanity, I ask you to come into my life as my Lord and Savior. I humbly accept your Free gift of eternal life. Please help me live my life Your way starting today. Thank you Lord, From now on I am yours and I belong to you! In Christ Jesus name I pray Amen!”

  • rosariofatima
  • gorettia

    I am a former catholic. Mary CAN NOT lead people to Jesus. There is ONE mediator between God and man and that is JESUS CHRIST. JESUS IS THE WAY not A way. Mary can not do this. JOHN 6:44
    My question looking back is this…
    Catholics claim Peter to be first pope…yet do not obey his teaching refer to Acts 2:37-39 The Lord himself approved the message and ADDED TO THE CHURCH after Peter preached it. Acts 2:47. This is the church I want to be in, the one the Lord added to. Also, Jesus was baptized, coming up out of the water at 30 years old, not pouring over his head at 30 days old as catholics do infants. He is our example. See Matthew Chapter 3:16
    Also, Mary was COMMANDED by JESUS to go to the upper room (with others) and receive the Holy Ghost and she spoke in tongues as they all did that were there in the upper room. This is found in Luke 1:35 and Acts 1:4
    So, if catholic doctrine does not obey the message of Peter (sorry he is not really the first pope, but since you claim that shouldn’t you at least obey him) He was given the keys to the kingdom, it does not obey the example of Jesus and does not obey the command as Mary did (and she is viewed as a higher up in the catholic world ….
    who do they follow or obey ??? I DON’T KNOW THEIR ANSWER, BUT I KNOW THE RIGHT ANSWER… JESUS, THE WAY THE TRUTH THE LIFE. PETER DID PREACH IT RIGHT. REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST (ACTS 4:12 NO OTHER NAME WE CAN BE SAVED BY( ALSO SEE MARK 16:16) AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST. AND SCRIPTURES SAY THE HOLY GHOST BILL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS AND BRING TO YOUR REMBERANCE THE THINGS THAT JESUS TAUGHT. JESUS ALL THE WAY… BIBLE TRUTH ALL THE WAY !

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