Kim Kardashian And Kanye Send Out Bizarre Illuminati Christmas Card Filled With Satanic Symbols (VIDEO)

Riven with symbols, secret messages and evocative imagery; this year's Kardashians' Christmas card is a radical departure from their classic glamorous ensemble shot. ...
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Hollywood is an Illuminati hotbed

Riven with symbols, secret messages and evocative imagery; this year’s Kardashians’ Christmas card is a radical departure from their classic glamorous ensemble shot.

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Composed by Kanye West’s favorite photographic auteur, David LaChapelle, the complicated scene is a muddle of intriguing narratives that suggest there’s a wry commentary on the nature of the reality family’s fame at play; and perhaps even a message from secret society, The Illuminati.

The first Easter Egg, as committed fans refer to these hidden treasures, is that Kanye West and Lamar Odom have made the shoot… in a fashion.

click-here-to-read-the-rest-of-this-story-on-before-its-news-from-now-the-end-begins-nteb-geoffrey-griderKanye, 36, is depicted on the 2006 LaChapelle shot cover of music bible Rolling Stone as a Jesus (or should that be Yeezus) character while Lamar, 33, smiles on the cover of gossip mag Us Weekly with his estranged wife Khloe under the headline ‘taking him back.’

Then we’ve got the setting to consider, and what a setting it is.

While previous Kristmas Kards were all about a nicely appointed hallway decorated in nothing more diverting than black or white, LaChapelle has transported the family out of their monochrome comfort zone into a technicolor, post apocalyptic casino/circus hybrid.

 

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  • lori

    Trash! Totally understanable when you consider the people involved.

  • Kanye West is DEMONIC, SATANIC, EVIL!! Do NOT TRUST Kanye West or Kim Kardashian or any of the Kardashian’s!!

    WE are in END TIMES Right now!! DO NOT TRUST Media about the Kardashian’s!!

    Ye MUST TRUST in Jesus Christ Now, HE is the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE, No one comes unto the FATHER, but through Me ( Jesus Christ )!! Jesus Christ is the REASON for the SEASON!!

    • Most of your celebrities are working closely with the devil. When it comes to news…I ignore everything that has nothing to do with where I live. And as far as becoming Christian…I’m Jewish. So……

  • The music video titled “Kayne West Power Illuminati Exposed” shows how Kanye portrays the anti christ as the anti christ is a black man as well as a Mason thus more evidence pointing towards Barack Obama as the anti christ as he is both black and a Mason.

  • Seriously, what did anyone who knows the Truth really expect? Sign of these last days. Jesus is coming sooner than many think. Keep doing what it is God wants us to do, in His Love. Soon we go to be with Him forever. Shalom.

  • Ok folks, this is not a christmas card!!! Christmas is about Christ. This card is about satan and the people who have sold their souls for money and fame. I think that they honestly believe that this earthly life is all there is. If you believe that too, then continue to follow these demons but it you believe that there is even a tiny chance that the bible might be the word of God, then trust him with your soul and boycott these creatures and all like them.

  • STL

    These actors will do anything to make a buck! But what they do not understand its a deception from Satan, and there expensive lifestyle is heading right to hell.

  • These people all make me sick to my stomach !

  • Well if this is true,,,nothing these idiots do would surprise me. Anything to be in the spotlight. Bunch of no talent thugs!!!!

  • Seventy-two killed resisting gun confiscation in Boston!

    Boston – National Guard units seeking to confiscate a cache of recently banned assault weapons were ambushed by elements of a Para-military extremist faction. Military and law enforcement sources estimate that 72 were killed and more than 200 injured before government forces were compelled to withdraw.

    Speaking after the clash, Massachusetts Governor Thomas Gage declared that the extremist faction, which was made up of local citizens, has links to the radical right-wing tax protest movement.

    Gage blamed the extremists for recent incidents of vandalism directed against internal revenue offices. The governor, who described the group’s organizers as “criminals,” issued an executive order authorizing the summary arrest of any individual who has interfered with the government’s efforts to secure law and order.

    The military raid on the extremist arsenal followed wide-spread refusal by the local citizenry to turn over recently outlawed assault weapons.

    Gage issued a ban on military-style assault weapons and ammunition earlier in the week. This decision followed a meeting in early this month between government and military leaders at which the governor authorized the forcible confiscation of illegal arms.

    One government official, speaking on condition of anonymity, pointed out that “none of these people would have been killed had the extremists obeyed the law and turned over their weapons voluntarily.”

    Government troops initially succeeded in confiscating a large supply of outlawed weapons and ammunition. However, troops attempting to seize arms and ammunition in Lexington met with resistance from heavily-armed extremists who had been tipped off regarding the government’s plans.

    During a tense standoff in the Lexington town park, National Guard Colonel Francis Smith, commander of the government operation, ordered the armed group to surrender and return to their homes. The impasse was broken by a single shot, which was reportedly fired by one of the right-wing extremists.

    Eight civilians were killed in the ensuing exchange.

    Ironically, the local citizenry blamed government forces rather than the extremists for the civilian deaths. Before order could be restored, armed citizens from surrounding areas had descended upon the guard units. Colonel Smith, finding his forces over matched by the armed mob, ordered a retreat.

    Governor Gage has called upon citizens to support the state/national joint task force in its effort to restore law and order. The governor also demanded the surrender of those responsible for planning and leading the attack against the government troops.

    Samuel Adams, Paul Revere, and John Hancock, who have been identified as “ringleaders” of the extremist faction, remain at large.

    And this fellow Americans, is how the American Revolution began, April 20, 1775.

    signing_of_the_declaration_of_independenceOn July 4th, 1776 these same extremists signed the Declaration of Independence, pledging to each other and their countrymen their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor. Many of them lost everything, including their families and their lives over the course of the next few years.

    Lest we forget…
    Let us not forget!

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    November 5, 2013 at 8:47 am

    • Good one Ron, you had me going for a while. I don’t doubt we will be seeing a lot of this in the near future! I think there will be a Civil war over gun control. But that’s just my humble opinion. The good ole boys, ain’t gonna give up their guns!!! I don’t have guns, but many do, and are not going to give them up for nothing, or nobody!!! 🙂

  • http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/kardashian-2013-christmas-card-tribute-illuminati-entertainment-industry/
    This site better explains. Obama as antichrist because he is blk? Great example of your christlike love for all.

  • TeeBreeze

    This is the most twisted ish I’ve seen from the Kardashians and that’s saying a lot. I immediately recognized the Illuminati and demonic symbols. Seems like Kanye has joined this demonic clan right on schedule. God have mercy on their souls. I pray for their salvation, especially those innocent babies!

  • Nathan, you can become Christian. The first Christian’s were Jewish. The gospel (good news) is for the Jewish first and also to the non- Jewish (Greek-heathen). Read Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53. Isaiah says, “Listen O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The Lord hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of My name.” Isaiah 49:1 and also “I AM sought of them that asked not for me; I AM found of them that sought me not: I said, behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by My name.” Isaiah 65:1. Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures; and He was buried, and He rose again the third day according to the scriptures. Shalom!

    • Amen nannette!!!!

  • Hollywood

    Follow me on twitter @meleciagayle ( I will follow you back!)

    “In God we trust”

    But not the God of the Bible
    “In God we trust” on the dollar bill refers to the God Horus an ancient Egyptian God (their God is material wealth, hence the money its printed on).There is a spiritual force that Governs this nation,it is creeping into the life regular unsuspecting victims. Illuminati is real, spirits are real, the devil, possessions are real, devil worship is real and they are recruiting followers by mass deception. Look at movies depicting vampires, sorceries, warlocks, witches; this is all an attempt to make the dark world become appealing to the youth.Behind the scenes there are forces that have constructed a devious plan and it is being enforced through media. The media shape this nation; it is a very powerful tool.Hollywood has mastered the Craft of influence, through the incorporation of satanism.

    I spoke a bit about Hitler in my last blog. He used media to brain wash youths as young as 9yrs old. He built a theater roomed for thousands, in that theater Hitler would have these children watch hours and hours of movies that depicted the Nazis in a positive light. This same method is used today…

    Antone Levay
    Founder of the satanic church

    “Television was the major main stream infiltration for the new satanic religion”
    “The tv set or the Satanic family alter as grown more elaborate, a major religion for the masses”

    Anton Lavey, was advisor to many well known Entertainers such as

    Sammy Davis JR.

    “Sammy Davis Jr was a Dear freind who often put himself on the line when it was professional hazardous to do so, he BROUGHT MANY INFLUENTIAL PERSONS INTO THE CHURCH OF SATAN…” -Anton Levay

    The bible: 1 Timothy 4:1 “In the last days…they will follow lying spirits and teachings that come from demons”
    This is basically stating that lies and deceptions by evil spirits will come about to evangelize the world.
    This is in attempt to recruit followers in a false unity (New World Order) to rebel against God and war with him.
    Revelations 16:14 prophecy stated this fact.

    HOLLYWOOD PROPAGANDA THEY KNOW WHAT YOU DON’T.

    Actors (Greek for Hypokrites) Mathew 23:27-28 “ You hypocrites you are like white washed tombs, look beautiful on the outside but inside are full of dead man’s bones and everything unclean.”

    Some actors in Hollywood are made great because they worship and call on other Gods or spirits. They seek mediums and psychics to call on spirits to become someone else.

    Denzel Washington 60mins.

    “basically what I did was got on my knees and sort of communicated with the SPIRITS and when I came out I was in charge…I couldn’t have acted that…I couldn’t have made a decision to play that”

    Oprah Winfrey

    “You cannot only use your body and physical self this is how I see acting, I ask my body to be the carrier for spirits of those who have come before me in a way that is most meaningful to the character…just become the vehicle for that carrier”
    “ I try to empty myself and let the spirits inhabit me”

    Robin Williams (US Magazine)

    “literally your in its like possession ..You just get this energy that start going…it is possession, in the old days you would be burn for it, Its like Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, where you can become this other force.”

    Johnny Depp (I was once a huge fan)

    “I know I have demons I am 30 different people sometimes” ( he was dead serious)

    Socrates An ancient philosopher said it best…

    “They are simply inspired to utter that which the muse impels them, for not by art or knowledge do they say what they say but by…possession” muse (a demon spirit).

    “muses” are demonic spirits that Actors call upon to play roles…

    Kevin Bacon (actor) “part of acting is to lose yourself in the moment to let the chaos or the muse come and just enter and happen organically, demons under the surface as an actor you have to keep them bubbling”

    Keanu Reeves (actor) “it’s hard to act in the morning when the muses are asleep”

    Leonardo Decaprio, Meryl Streep, Halley Berry all admit to being possessed by some spirits to play characters.

    TV is the mass persuasion of the world, we admonish celebrities and seek to mimic them most actors don’t even allow their own children to watch TV because they know what can happen, yet they play roles to brainwash your children. I always state that Fans are nothing but followers.

    Actor’s themselves are aware of their true roles in Hollywood…

    Note: hollywood stars with name engraved are pentagrams (satanic star symbol)

    “Tv is definitely guilty of putting unrealistic images of what is socially unacceptable I am guilty of it too”-Jennifer Aniston

    “The network says they don’t influence any body if that is true why we have commercials why am I sitting there with jello pudding” Bill Cosby

    “All movies are important and they are dangerous you go into a little dark room and become vulnerable it could completely misshape you.” Susan Sarandon

    “Why are people so stupid? I don’t care I just put out movies that people want to see and we go for that.” Director George Lucas

    “They give us too much power” Rosie O’Donnell (referring to her fans and audiences)
    “Hollywood is built on lies coning the American public like politics” –Jeneane Gerofalo

    There are so many who look up to these Actors and Entertainers, Desiring to be them and to become a Hollywood star. But very few know what is really going on behind the veil of the glitz and glamour of Hollywood. There is no way to become famous and wealthy in this venue without being exposed to the satanic aspects of Hollywood. Even as a Christian actor…if your seeking to be famous and Well known, this requires denouncing Jesus Christ. It is done through stages not right on the spot when you sign that contract. Little by little you become indoctrinated…There are spirits floating around in the Industry…

    The Last Exorcism (produced by Eli Roth a satanist)

    Actress Ashley Bell was NOT ACTING.

    “That was probably the most fun audition I’ve ever been a part of. I was sitting in a chair and I asked to lay on the carpet. It was in Lauren Bass’ casting office in West Hollywood. I was laying on this carpet, this cameraman was standing over me, I started to contort my body and scream, and this man was summoning this thing out of me. I just said, ‘My parents would be so proud.'”

    Her contortions were real and the voices she did during possession was so real that they had to Hire actual priest to perform an exorcism on her (to be rid of the demons during filming)

    The Exorcist Original Movie…

    Actress Mercedes MCCambridge

    McCambridge told the New York Times early in 1974. ‘All of the devilish vocality is mine — all of it. Every word!’

    There were reports when this movie first came out, people who went to the screening left demonically possessed. And Many incidents occurred during the filming of this movie that suggest an actual demonic spirit being present (to give that real affect)

    So you see, its not just Actors Natural gift or Talent that makes them so good and convincing.

    UPDATE: 9/05/13

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    illuminati, NWO, Politics, Religion the rabbit hole goes so much deeper folks!

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  • I just posted a VERY long item on this subject, I apologize for the length, did not know how to maybe do it in 2 I guess.

    • Never the less, Teresa, it was good and informative!! 🙂

  • I can believe that. …because Bush and Romney represent
    The same symbol

    • STL

      GUMP: POST ONE VIDEO ON YOUTUBE AND MAKE MILLIONS, WHICH KIM KARDASHIAN DID!

  • MRH

    test post 😉

  • Jackie Campbell

    Did not like the person who set the background up. I found him to be rude. Don’t really care if he if he is well known he was a a real ass if you ask me. Do not like the card. It was too Gothica. Very disappointed in it

  • MRH

    Pyramid w/eye = Illuminati 🙁

    • Although I do understand we need to warn people about the dangers out there. But our supreme focus should always be Jesus Christ and him Crucified!!! We should not dwell upon the occult and all that goes with it. Our focus should be solely upon Jesus. It even says in the word….”Exo 23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.”. So, I doubt that we should dwell upon them and all that they are up to. Let God be God, and every man a liar!! Praise the Lord!!!

      • MRH

        Actually NT scripture states otherwise..

        [Eph 5:11 KJV] 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [them].

        Lexicon :: Strong’s G1651 – elegchō

        B) by conviction to bring to the light, to expose

        That’s why multitudes of wise believers are nowadays rampantly exposing the Illuminati and all. To hopefully awaken the lost faction, thus bringing them to the salvation door. Btw no such unholy expose does not also include a following holy resolve.. which is Christ. Agreed? 🙂

        P.S. Jonathan Kleck warns us of impending disasters, but not without repeated appeals unto Jesus Christ!

        • @ MRH, Well, I for one do not fellowship with them!!! And if I did see them, and could get a word in, I sure would expose them, and I try and tell people every chance I get. That is why my family thinks I’m nuts!!! LOL But I do not dwell on it, there is a difference. That is what I was trying to bring out. 🙂

          • MRH

            I didn’t say you would fellowship with them suez, nor do I (forbidden by God). And as you should know, they communicate by symbols not by mere words. Plus you can’t see nor hear them unless they manifest themselves unto you. And in most cases they don’t, preferring secrecy. But ironically they hide their plans backwards or upside down. And scripture gives us a strange clue.

            Isa 29:15-16 KJV – Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us? Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter’s clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

            Who are ‘them’ and ‘they’? They are the hidden rulers of this world, the fallen angels with Lucifer as their master.. that’s who 🙂

            P.S. The evidence is everywhere, if one knows their secrets 😉

      • nice verse there suez

        how about looking at these?

        Zechariah 6:11-13 acts 7:45

        so who led the israelites into canaan, joshua, or jesus?
        are you sure of the name you pray in?
        how many names of false gods has the catholic church injected into the scripture?

        did you know you are calling the father baal when you call him lord?
        400 years ago you would have referred to the father as theos, and the son as iesous because that’s what name were n the older books. what did mary call her son, and what name did the messiah use for the heavenly father? does it matter?

        http://www.nazarite.net/king-james.html

  • Mark,
    Why do you keep posting the same old stuff over and over again?

    • MRH

      Why do you care Brenda? If you don’t like what I post, then simply ignore it.. yes? For certain I’m not posting it for your pleasure or interest, as you folk all live in a dreamworld 🙁

    • STL

      BRENDA: WHY MARK POSTS ALL THIS JUNK, IS HE’S SO CONTROL BY IT. HE NEED TO STEP ACROSS THE LINE AND ACCEPT COMPLETELY TO JESUS CHRIST. THEN ALL THIS JUNK WILL NOT MATTER TO HIM ANYMORE!

      • Yep! 🙂

      • MRH

        Steven: What I post on the Illuminati is not junk, anymore than your stuff on the blood moons. It’s all reality brother, and the proof is in the pudding, if you dig for it 😉

  • shelly

    I have difficulty believing actors are satanic. Having participated in theatre, there is a process of isolating one’s day to day attention in order to reach memories and impressions. Is it possible comments about ‘muses are just a way of identifying this process?

    • MRH

      Believe me lady, many celebrities are satanic. Maybe not by choice, but by persuasion. Satan controls this world unto the uttermost, and his deception venues and tactics are many and terrible. Christ is our only hope!

      Anyway, watch my video playlist above to better understand things of mystery. I simply can’t effectively explain things in mere words, as words alone simply can’t emphasize hidden matters strongly enough.

  • There have been powers that are unleashed, after all, satan is the prince of the powers of the air. The media-TV, web, and music, help to call them up.
    Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
    Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
    Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

    Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
    Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
    Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

  • STL

    SUE: MY OPINION ONLY!

    I BELIEVE WITH 18 MONTHS, USA WILL FINALLY GO INTO DEFAULT, THEN THE USA POPULATION WILL GO CRAZY, NO FOOD, NO ENTITLEMENTS, NO GAS, NO ELECTRIC, THEN THERE WILL BE LOOTING, OUR GOVERNMENT OFFICALS WILL CALL MARTIAL LAW, THEN EVERYONE WILL BE FORCED TO GIVE UP THERE GUNS, GOLD, SILVER, THERE STORAGE OF FOOD OR BE KILLED!

    • They can’t take your guns, if they don’t know where they are at!

    • Petula CoBblePot

      well its been 24, I guess it is safe to say that you are not very good at predicting the future. Sadly I am sure this wasn’t enough to abandon this stupid waste of time. Maybe reading books that can help get you further in a career would be smarter than to worry about “the end times”. As a wise woman once said “Ain’t nobody got time for that.”

  • STL

    MRH: IF THIS DREAMWORLD AS YOU CALL IT, IT MUST REALLY BOTHER YOU HOW BRENDA IS DREAMING TO INSULT HER. I RATHER BE IN THE DREAM WORLD BELIEVING IN JESUS CHRIST, THAN DREAMING THEIR IS A FUTURE IN OUR SOCIETY.

    • MRH

      Steven: If you would only watch the video set I prior posted, maybe then you would understand why the dreamworld comment. But that’s your call, as I can only offer secret knowledge, I can’t enforce it upon anyone 🙁

      P.S. There is no future in this world, bible clarifies things 😉

  • MRH and Paul Kidd, and others who put all this illuminati junk, and pope junk, and Obama antichrist junk, and UFO junk on——the devil is laughing —because he is using YOU for his purposes, for his lies, to help throw people off of the real thing.

    • You are sidetraacked due to the lies of Lucifer. The information is plain and clear and only those who truly believe on Jesus Christ can see the truth unlike you or Ron. This is the mere truth. Focus on getting truth out and not focusing on criticizing people who are simply putting information out for all to obtain becuase by criticizing those who bring forth truth you are truly doing Satans work . . .

      • MRH

        Deceived I think is the better word Brett, brainwashed sheeple, or caught up in the hive or matrix? 😉

        Yes the bible states that we believers are to be wise unto Satan’s devious plans. 2Cr 2:11 KJV – Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

        Eph 6:12 KJV – For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

        Sadly many Christians deny the bold truth in above verse. They think we are merely dealing with human orders. When in reality the human element is but a facade for Satan and his fallen angels to rule behind.

      • You have a right to your own opinions, as I.
        May God bless you and give you His knowledge. 🙂

        • MRH

          God blesses me and imparts unto me more secret holy knowledge than you could even dream of getting sister 🙂

          P.S. Trust me just for once, that I tell no intentional lies, not that I understand all things.. I certainly don’t, nor do you 😉

  • STL

    Brenda: How stupid do you really believe NSA is? they know exactly who own guns and how many and what type of weapons. You can go to Google Map, it tells you who owns weapons.

    When the time come, they (Fema Goons) will not ask you to give up your guns, they will just come to your home or send a drone to your place of address, them BOOM! After a few booms, people will be begging the government to take all there guns from them.

    Most of the population of the USA are terrified not to give up their guns, there will be gladly to give them up!

    • They are not stupid, I know.
      All this Facebook and Google stuff is for rounding us all up, the Bible predicted it a long time ago. It’s all about us and them. Us being God’s children, and them being the beast’s children.

      It will happen. I am very prepared to give up my life for Jesus. I know that I will reign with Him forever. Amen.

      Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
      Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
      Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
      Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

      • STL

        Brenda: Bless you! We will lay down our lives freely for our Lord Jesus Christ!

  • STL

    MRH: I only carry about if my faith in Jesus Christ is strong enough and as soon I can get myself to heaven. The rest is JUNK!

  • STL

    MRH: what secret knowledge, the scriptures of God’s are not in secret.

    Its really simple commit yourself completely to God, and lay down your life, as Jesus’ laid down His life for you.

  • MRH

    STL: Secret meaning mysterious knowledge. And on the contrary the bible is filled with mystery too 😉

    Tip: Nothing of holy truth is junk, only lies or deceptions are 🙂

    P.S. Don’t worry about my commitment to God, worry about your own commitment 😉

  • The words of Corrie Ten Boom—–

    When I was a little girl, ” I said, “I went to my father and said,

    “Daddy, I am afraid that I will never be strong enough to be a martyr for Jesus Christ.”

    “Tell me,” said Father,

    “When you take a train trip to Amsterdam,
    when do I give you the money for the ticket?

    Three weeks before?”

    “No, Daddy, you give me the money for the ticket just before we get on the train.”

    That is right,” my father said, “and so it is with God’s strength.
    Our Father in Heaven knows when you will need the strength to be a martyr for Jesus Christ.
    He will supply all you need – just in time…”

    My African friends were nodding and smiling.
    Suddenly a spirit of joy descended upon that church and the people began singing,

    ” In the sweet, by and by,
    we shall meet on that beautiful shore.”

    Later that week, half the congregation of that church was executed.
    I heard later that the other half was killed some months ago.
    But I must tell you something. I was so happy that the Lord used me to encourage these people, for unlike many of their leaders, I had the word of God. I had been to the Bible and discovered that Jesus said He had not only overcome the world, but to all those who remained faithful to the end, He would give a crown of life.

    • @Ron, Amen to that Ron!!! Yes, and we must be filled with his spirit!! Praise God!!

      • STL

        Suez: One simple question?

        Did Jesus resist or tried to defend himself against the Pharisees that came for him. Did Jesus try and defend himself when the Romans took him to the whipping post? Or did he try and defend himself before Romans nailed him to the Cross?

        And did Jesus asked his followers to act like him?

        • @Steven, No of coarse he didn’t. His time had come, and he gave himself willingly! He was doing what he came here to do. 🙂 As far as the Disciples went, they did carry swords, remember Peter cut off the ear of that soldier, of the bunch that came to get Jesus. Jesus did say,,,”Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.” Luk 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.” NOW I can’t say, I totally understand all there is to understand about these scriptures, but they did carry swords. But I understand there are verses of the other way also. I say this, IF they come after me for Christ sake, I will go willingly. But IF,, some crazed out druggy comes in my house to do me or my family bodily harm, YES I will defend myself, and my family or whoever is with me. God has given us a brain, and it would be a sorry excuse of a man in my eyes, that wouldn’t defend his family in a situation like that!!

    • STL

      Ron Murphy: Please explain to people like MRH, John Jr. and Tracy how that Jesus wants us to be faithful to him?

      Does Jesus wants us to use weapons for our protection or should we lay down our life, when the time comes, without resisting?

      Did not Jesus tried to defend himself or any Apostles? And did any Apostles try and defend their lives at the point of death?

      • Yes, when the time comes, we can not fight or we will perish and I fear we might lose our blessing for fighting. If we are killed for fighting is it the same as martyrdom, I don’t believe it’s the same. Why would anyone want to get that close to glory and goof it up at the last minute. You’re going to probably die anyway. Jesus said, ” he that seeks to save his life shall lose it. Otherwise keep your guns they may be useful for hunting if you have the right kind. Guns are great for self defense, but not for the tribulation period.

  • STL

    Tracy: I’m not judging you at all, I’m only stating scriptures, In Romans 13:1-7 Let every soul be subject to the governing authories, for there is no authority except from God, therefore, whoever resist the authority resist the ordinance of God, those who resist will bring judgement on themselves.

    1st John 3:16 Hereby know we love is, because Jesus laid down His life for us, it is right for us to give out lives for our brothers. ( And that means our enemy).

    I’m very sorry you get upset with me stating your not allowed to defend your self with a gun, all we should do is let anyone take our lives as they see fit.

    • 1Jn 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. The brethren here means, womb, or close like a brother! 🙂
      At least that is what my concordance says. 🙂 You are my brethren if we are one in Christ Jesus. My understanding anyway. Of coarse, I am fully able to be wrong. I have been many time. LOL

      • STL

        Ist John 3:16 mean literally lay down your life for your brother or sister in Christ. Same as Jesus laid his life down for us, why is it so hard to understand, is it your pride causes you not see the truth?

  • STL

    Suez: You can do whatever you decide, but for me I will not resist, I will lay down my life for Jesus to my death……….

    • @Steve, you missed my point. I will gladly lay down my life for Jesus Christ and the Gospel. But I will be dag gone if a druggy or a murderer breaks in my house and I will just roll over and let him kill me or my family for no reason. They have nothing to do with dying for the sake of the gospel. See my point now?? 🙂

      • STL

        SUEZ: I UNDERSTAND YOU POINT. AND IF THE TIME AROSED, AND YOU HAD TO MAKE A FAST DECISION TO DEFEND YOURSELF OR YOUR LOVE ONE, YOU WOULD SHOOT THOSE WHO IS PUTTING YOUR LIFE OR YOUR LOVE ONES IN DANGER.

        BUT NOW WHAT DID JESUS DO ON THE MOUNT WHEN HIS 2 APOSTLES WERE WITH HIM, AND THE PHARISEES GUARDS WITH THEIR SWORD AGAINST JESUS, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, AS YOU WOULD OF DONE IS DEFEND YOURSELF, YES?

        SO WHY DID NOT JESUS DEFEND HIS LIFE OR HIS OTHER APOSTLES THAT STOOD WITH HIM?

        BECAUSE JESUS LOVED HIS APOSTLES, BUT STILL NOT DEFEND THEM, WHY?

        ALSO IF WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW AFTER JESUS, WE NEED TO ACT LIKE HIM, YES?

        SO AGAIN IF YOUR A BELIEVER IN JESUS CHRIST, WHY WOULD YOU NEED TO DEFEND YOURSELF OR YOUR LOVE ONES?

        BECAUSE, AFTER DEATH, WE AS BELIEVERS GO IMMEDIATELY TO HEAVEN, YES?

        SO WHAT IS THE SUPPOSE OF DEFENDING YOURSELF. BECAUSE OF FEAR, THAT MAKE YOU DEFEND YOURSELF BY TAKING ANOTHER PERSON(S) LIFE.

        ALSO YOU NEED TO REMEMBER EVEN IF HE/SHE TAKES YOUR LIFE, JUST MAYBE LATER, THAT PERSON WOULD OF TAKING SALVATION IN JESUS CHRIST. IF YOU KILLED HIM/HER, YOU TOOK THERE CHANCE IN RECIEVING SALVATION THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.

        • STL

          SUEZ: LISTEN TO RON MURPHY SPEAKING ABOUT THE SCRIPTURES IN POST 65!
          FOR WHOSOEVER WILL SAVE HIS LIFE SHALL LOSE IT, BUT WHOEVER SHALL LOSE THEIR LIFE FOR JESUS SAKE, AND HIS GOSPELS, THE SAME SAVE IT.

          SO YOUR GOING TO DEFEND YOUR LIFE IN SELF-DEFENSE, BUT AGAIN YOU’LL LOSE IT IN THE END ANYWAYS, IN A MORE HORRIBLE WAY WHEN YOU ENTER THE TRIBULATION AS YOU BELIEVE WILL HAPPEN, THEN IF YOU CAN NOT LAY DOWN YOUR LIFE NOW, HOW CAN YOU SAY YOU WILL NOT DEFEND YOURSELF AGAIN IN THE TRUIBULATION?

          • STL

            SUEZ: IF I HAD THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE SCRIPTURES IN THE VIETNAM WAR, AND IF I WAS A BELIEVER IN JESUS CHRIST AT THAT TIME, I WOULD OF REFUSE TO CARRY A GUN OR USE IT AGAINST MY ENEMY. AND VERY GOOD POSSIBLITY I WOULD OF BEEN KILLED.

            AND ITS AN AWLFUL FEELING TO KILL SOMEONE WHEN YOU THINK YOUR DEFENDING YOURSELF, WHICH YOU WOULD HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT, THAT YOU TOOK ANOTHER PERSON LIFE.

  • Mar 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
    Mar 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel’s, the same shall save it.
    Mar 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
    Mar 8:37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
    Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

  • In the very near future, there will be rampant demonic manifestations that will require Christians anointed and filled to overflowing with the Holy Spirit to cast them out! Since it is readily agreed that we are in the Last Days with the scenario that the LORD Jesus Christ clearly defined in Matthew 24 (parallel passage Rev. 6), there will be a massive Revival in the true church.

    This will be catalyzed by the Presence & Fear of the LORD coming back to ‘rest’ upon His people. There will be miraculous hearings, deliverance ministry exploding, and genuine signs and wonders among the children of GOD. It will result in the Greatest Awakening in the history of mankind… just prior to and during the 70th Week of Daniel (aka ‘The Tribulation Period’).

    Hint: ‘Tribulation’ in Scripture is NEVER the Wrath of GOD- two totally different Greek words in the original. The true church gets caught away at the opening of the 6th Seal, then Rev. 6:17 declares that the Wrath of the Lamb begins. Two critical posts:
    1) An informed ‘defense’ of our precious faith-
    http://zionsgate.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/the-everlasting-god-the-king-of-saints/ and
    2) The ‘Last Days’ series (4 posts) to challenge your complacency (and mine)-
    http://zionsgate.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/the-day-of-christ-and-the-day-of-the-lord/

    Kingdom Blessings to all who yearn for His Glorious Appearing… ~~Santos

    • Amen, Santos!

    • @Santos I am not disagreeing with you brother, but please tell me where this is in scripture. I been looking for it. I only see it here besides in Acts. “Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
      Joe 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
      Joe 2:30 And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
      Joe 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
      Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. ” The part, Afterward is what I see. After what? I am seeing by this that it will be after the tribulation starts, or at the end. Correct me if I’m wrong on this. Read it from the beginning of the chapter so you can keep in line with the subject matter. Also in Acts, it states, in the last days,,,,” Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: ” This goes along with the above verses. This has been a question in my mind for awhile now. If you can help, please, I’m open. Thanks

      • Hey, Sister, I get some of it in Daniel 11.
        Dan 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
        Now this is just after the abomination that makes Jerusalem desolate.

        • Thanks Ron that is a good one!! But can you explain the ones I mentioned. I am just stuck on those. LOL 🙂

          • Sue, I believe this is the Christians through out the earth, but the remnant that is spoken of and the signs spoken of is at the very end of tribulation . The deliverance spoken of is when the 144k except Jesus when these signs in the sun , moon and stars take place. That is at the time of the rapture, or else they would be raptured, too. But they call on the Lord when these signs take place at the same time as the rapture. Check these verses out. I believe it is the same time as the rapture for us all.
            Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
            Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
            As you can see, they were afraid and called on the name of the Lord, just like Joel mentioned.
            Now you may ask, why not during the tribulation? Okay, Notice that deliverance was in Jerusalem and Zion. During the Tribulation Period, which is 3 1/2 years, the abomination takes place and all Christians will leave Jerusalem as Jesus commanded them. That is the desolation. The saints will be gone and the word of God will be gone. Only the two prophets will be feeding the remnant the word of God. It will take until they finish for the Remnant to begin to realize what Jesus was, at that time they will cry, as they lost their own son. This is when they get the seal of God, because His wrath is beginning upon the world at that time. If you will follow this time line you will see it all matches in all scripture.

      • MRH

        If I may offer a few honest biblical thoughts? 🙂

        Act 2:14-17 KJV – But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

        Tip: The prophetic ‘last days’ began post Pentecost. The birth of the church began the long countdown.. now 2000 yrs and onward unto the end 😉

        2Ti 3:1-3 KJV – This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

        Are these not perilous times we live in now?

        Hbr 1:1-3 KJV – God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

        Is not God speaking unto us through Jesus Christ even now?

        Jam 5:1-3 KJV – Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

        Are not the evil elite already building their gold and silver vaults?

        2Pe 3:3-4 KJV – Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

        Are there not scoffers everywhere on earth now?

        Anyway, the next holy event to prevail is the birth of the third and last Jewish temple. Which will bring a mega church revival. When the temple rises the church will wake up from it’s long slumber. Why? Because of the evidence. All present Christian divisions will then unite as one entity of power!

        P.S. You can believe it or not sister, but for certain the rising of the last holy temple will bring untold global wonderment. And it is where also the Antichrist is finally revealed, immediately followed by the dreaded great tribulation. So we will just have to watch, wait, to see 😉

        • Thanks MRH. I appreciate those scriptures. But can you explain the scripture I gave you. Plus can you give me scripture on the temple creating the mega church revival? I really need scripture to back that one up. As my Bible says, there is going to be a falling away. Nothing about a great revival!! 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; I know about the temple being built, but it doesn’t say anything about a great revival to my knowledge anyway. I know many preachers are teaching that, but where in scripture is it? That is my question. Scripture says, falling away. I don’t go by preachers, I go by the Word of God for my truth. So that is why I ask for scripture. Thanks for sending what you did. s 🙂

          • Sue, I hope I done the Word of God some justice for Joel 2? But the revival is not so much promised, but this is what is written:

            Dan 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
            Dan 11:34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
            Dan 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

            The revival is the saints being with power:
            Dn. 11:32 but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

            Now, this will continue until:
            Dan. 12:7 and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

          • STL

            Ron Murphy: remember our talks on Isaiah 17:1 the prophecy of Damascus being totally destroyed?

            Question is how would an attack on Syria would happen from Israel?

            This week, Hezbollah said there going to attack Israel from Syria.

            Possible this will be the cause of that attack on Damascus?

            This would heat up the confrontation with Iran, which Israel would attack Iran nuclear plants.

          • Ron, could very well be, only time will tell!! 🙂

          • STL , Syria will be destroyed at Christ coming, when the land is turned:

            Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
            Zec 14:10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.

            This great earthquake that is grater than any other:
            Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
            Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
            Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

            This is when Damascus will get her due!
            Isa 17:2 The cities of Aroer are forsaken: they shall be for flocks, which shall lie down, and none shall make them afraid.
            Isa 17:3 The fortress also shall cease from Ephraim, and the kingdom from Damascus, and the remnant of Syria: they shall be as the glory of the children of Israel, saith the LORD of hosts.
            Isa 17:9 In that day shall his strong cities be as a forsaken bough, and an uppermost branch, which they left because of the children of Israel: and there shall be desolation.

          • STL

            Ron Murphy: what happens to your thinking if Isaiah 17:1 is fulfilled before the 7 year Tribulation?

          • @Ron, yes, Amen My thoughts exactly. People are always saying there is going to be this great revival. They mean, there is going to be a mass amount of people coming to the Lord. I hope their right, I would love to see that! I do think there will be some come, like maybe our families that we have tried to tell for years. But I don’t see it like a lot of preachers are saying. I think I go along with you on this one! 🙂

          • MRH

            YW suez 🙂 As for explaining as requested 😉

            1) Quite simple, Peter was referencing the fulfillment of Joel 2:28 in Acts 2:14-17, the birth of the church on Pentecost. If you closely examine Joel chapter 2, you will noticed it’s actually three different prophecies seemingly connected. Or else Peter erred in his declare about Joel 2:28-32 being fulfilled on Pentecost?

            2) The bible doesn’t say ‘revival’ of the church, but it’s implied. Revelation 11 gives a clue, but it’s vague. The two witnesses; two olive trees, two candlesticks. I think these may symbolize both Israel and the church. Why? Because Israel is symbolically associated with the olive tree, and the church is symbolized in Revelation as a candlestick. And also Revelation 11 begins with temple mention, and that correlates with Daniels 70th week. Which I think might also be symbolized by the seventh trumpet of Revelation. Which contains both the resurrection and tribulation events.

            In any case, when the last temple majestically rises, all the now divided churches are going to suddenly realize that the final time has begun. They will have to dump out all their flawed doctrines and beliefs, which divides them now. They will realize that the other trumpets have already blown, and as well the seals open, among other things. In other words, when the final temple vision prevails, the prophecy door will blast wide open. At that time the veil of confusion with prophecy will fall, as the puzzle of the ages becomes stark reality. Although we speculate on things now, then will all truth prevail.

            Anyway, just my take on some things, as we really don’t understand exactly how the resurrection will prevail. Did Jesus in his resurrection immediately ascend? No, he rather witnessed to many folk for 40 days, did he not? Then afterward had a great multitude (500) of his disciples at his resurrection event. Which makes me wonder if similar effect doesn’t occur with the church at rapture? Anyway, some biblical matters we can only guess on, others are more clear. And prophecy is a challenge to decipher, no matter what anyone says.

          • @MRH,,yes we sure do speculate now don’t we!! Everybody has their own viewpoints. I have often asked the Lord, why isn’t the church in more unity. I think the Tribulation period will get the true church in unity, and whip us into shape, and finally maybe we will be without spot and wrinkle!!! LOL Not sure I agree with all you say, but that’s OK. We are all still speculating, but soon we shall know in truth!! What a wonderful day that will be, to finally know all truth!! Praise God, no more guessing or wondering. 🙂 What a day that shall be, when our Jesus we shall see!

          • MRH

            Suez: I’m not absolutely certain on the ‘falling away’ in 2 Thes, but Daniel 8 has an interesting clue; “when the transgressors have come to the full”. So the ‘falling away’ isn’t referencing a church rebellion per se, but rather the church being crushed by the rising satanic opposition.. new age religion. This not only makes logical sense, but also is the intended plans of the present new age movement.. to destroy the church.

            Yes it’s true that acclaimed believers can fall from the faith, but this aspect has been going on from since the church was born. These church defectors are called antichrists, of which were many even in Paul’s time. In reality they are/were not real believers, but rather pretenders of faith. Satan’s wolves amid Gods sheep. And they can be sometimes difficult to detect, as they all wear halos.

            P.S. And sorry no scripture here, but my online bible software BLB is undergoing maintenance right now 🙁

          • @MRH, that’s ok. 🙂

          • I feel some that think they are Christians in their minds, will fall too. They never really had Jesus. They thought they did, but it was never a heart love or knowledge. I don’t think their all evil, necessarily, but they had a head knowledge and not a heart knowledge. Many so called pastors will stand in judgement for not feeding the flock the truth. That makes me sad. I know many people like that. They are good people as far as the world standards go. And they think they will go to heaven because of John 3:16. But they never have really lived for the Lord. They still have their feet planted in the world, thinking if they go to church, that makes it OK. Very sad. Oh well good thing God is the Judge, and not me. LOL

          • Yeah, I sure am glad you aren’t the Judge, we’d all be in big trouble! 🙂 LOL

          • I’m not judging Brenda, I am stating the facts. 🙁 I said some! Not all. Hopefully some will come to the truth. I know people who say they are going to heaven. but they take Gods name in vain without a thought of it. They drink to a great excess, and some of the husbands, even go to girlie bars! They lie and think nothing of it. They take Gods name in vein without a thought. Now really Brenda, what do you think????? these are the people I am talking about.

          • STL

            Suez: we all grew up in Christian churches, but there were only a few on Sunday really wanted to go to church, mostly under threat from their wives. But as soon it was over, they head home for that football game on T.V. But some of the Sunday crowd, showed up on Wednesday night Bible Study.

            As the many years I preached the word of God in Street Mission’s, only a few came to worship, they came for the meal and a place to rest their heads.

            We read about about the same thing when Jesus preached to thousands, they over came for the meal.

            But at least the seed was planted, but most of these seeds never grew into a beautful flowers.

            But Jesus never came for the mass, he came for the one who would listen to his words.

          • @Steve, yes, many are called, but few are chosen!! 🙁

          • 🙂

          • I was jokin around with ya.’ You are right.: Preach on, Sister Sue! I love you. 🙂

          • @ Brenda…Oh, you were? LOL Well that is good to know. I thought I said something wrong. 🙂

          • MRH

            Suez: A Christian is simply one whom is born of God. That means the Holy Spirit indwells them 🙂

            Rom 8:9-11 KJV – But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

            1Jo 4:13-15 KJV – Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

            So attending church doesn’t make one a Christian, nor does reading the bible, nor just being a good person. Though all three elements are beneficial in Christianity.

            Anyway, one can only become a Christian by belief in Christ as their savior. That means no faith pretend games. And once one is saved, they remain thus sealed until rapture prevails.

            P.S. scripture is crystal clear on eternal salvation promise, if one only lets God explain things, instead of relying on their own preconceived ideas 😉

          • @MRH, Really? Gee and after 43 years as a Born Again child of God, I needed you to tell me that…just imagine. They Bible also says: Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
            Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
            Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
            Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
            Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
            Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
            Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
            Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
            Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
            Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
            Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
            Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
            Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not; for it was founded upon a rock.
            Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
            Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
            Oh, and just for your information, I do not go to church, nor do I claim to be a good person. “Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
            Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior;
            Tit 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
            Tit 3:8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.” See, I know a few scriptures too! 🙂

          • I may add. To really give yourself to Christ, is to be hungry for him. To want to seek after him and his word. To yearn for him, to thirst to know him and his righteousness, but never to be filled, because your always wanting more. To give the sacrifice of praise, because you love him so very much. To yield yourself to him in completeness, that you can say, not my will, but thy will be done. To seek to do good works, not that they will save you, but because you love him so much, and you don’t want to hurt him. To try and walk the straight and narrow road, even though we may fall, but we still keep praying to walk in his righteous because we love him and seek to please him. That my friend is a truly born again person. Not someone who throws the name of Jesus around like it’s yesterdays garbage, to be tossed in the dump, until we think we need him for something. Just my humble opinion. Have a good day. 🙂

          • STL

            Suez: did you catch MRH statement: Jesus is an angel not man any more!

          • @Steve, no I didn’t. Thanks for telling me. I figured there was something not quite right!! 🙂

          • Where did he say that? I want to read it.

          • STL

            Sue: Its on the next NTEB Post about USA falling!

          • STL, I been wondering if he is Mark! 🙂 Tip: It could be…:-)

          • MRH

            Suez: Is it your eternal goal to criticize or ridicule me here at the NTEB blogs? If so, then maybe you really are not a real born again Christian?

            And I’m seriously questioning things with others on here such as; STL, Ron, Brenda, DC, etc. For if all were true Christians then they would all abide in love unto others, and that evidence is simply not present. True Christians do not act like children, but rather like sober adults. Agreed?

            Therefore maybe you should all examine yourselves closer as to your assumed holy relationship with God? For certain if you have not the holy spirit residing within you, then you are not children of God, but rather deluded phonies.

            And if the latter, then I’m truly wasting my time with you all, as I am a true Christian by faith. I may as well be chatting with a wall, like with Jesus and the Jewish leaders. Do you really think he enjoyed discussions with them? He hated such 🙁

            P.S. Prove yourselves as true Christians for once 🙂

          • MRH

            Love NOT religion is the key to life 🙂

            1Jo 3:11, 14, 23 KJV – For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. … We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. … And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
            1Jo 4:7-8, 12, 16 KJV – Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. … No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. … And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
            Jud 1:21 KJV – Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

          • Thank you MRH, but I never once said I hated you or anyone else here. I shall admit, none of us are perfect. We all make mistakes. Maybe your attitude has turned people off and caused many to be walled up with you. You tell us how to become a christian, when many of have been a christian, for many, many years. Are we perfect, no, but we love the Lord Jesus. So, I guess you come across kind of arrogant sir. You come on and start preaching to us. Yet, I go to your site you gave here, and you are following a False prophet. That Johnathan guy is a false prophet. So if you knew your bible so well, why is it you don’t see that one? “1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world” I have nothing against you personally, other than than the fact that you come on here thinking your going to teach everyone here. So, maybe that is why people are defensive of you. Just a thought to ponder…:-)

          • MRH

            Well Sue, even Paul had church division issues, but then we are not perfected until the Lord returns 😉

            Anyway, as far as Jonathan Kleck, I can’t judge him either. He may be deluded in certain points, but I don’t think he is an antichrist or false prophet, though he is quite eccentric, and monotonous.

            Rather he continually makes salvation calls in his videos, which is definitely not what a deceiver would do. Also the info he gives seems valid in many cases, such as with the pyramid and all seeing eye, as well the strange currencies. The evidence is too stark to ignore.

            But as for his acclaimed gifted ‘utterances’, I don’t yet know. There may be truth to them, but I don’t think he knows the full score, in regards to bible prophecy. I do know that God tells me prophetic things, but he doesn’t reveal everything to me either, just what he wants me to know at the time.

            But I do know that Hoover Dam has extreme occult symbolism (plaques, star charts, fallen angel statues, etc), as I’ve seen visual evidence (and not only on Klecks stuff). The dam design is also very strange, like a female birthing device (uterus). Plus it’s been in the movies, the bursting of the Hoover dam. And as well the future NYC tsunami. But when said latter events transpire, the NWO is absolutely born, and great destruction begins the last train rolling unto global doom 🙁

            Mat 24:21 KJV – For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

            1Th 5:3 KJV – For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

            P.S. You really don’t think that the great tribulation will simply be a time of Christian trial do you? If you do, then you ought re-examine what Jesus and others mean’t by things 😉

          • MRH, Although you come across very nice and full of scripture, which I am not void of myself! You always seem to end with a sarcastic question. I will say, you do not know me, you don’t know what I know or what I do not know. I am not a dummy where the scripture is concerned. But, of coarse I have much to learn, and I keep seeking Gods truth. And, I am not void of teachings about the NWO, the occult or any of it. I’m quite up on it if you would want to know, if it helps ease your curiosity. 🙂 By the way, interesting about the dam. I didn’t know that one, as I’ve never seen it. But many weird things in the Denver Airport! 😉

          • MRH

            We all are always learning suez, and yes I’m a nice person, or I generally try to be. However I can also be over-stressed by continued attacks from others., leading to anger. Anyway, in regards to the occult, it is mysterious indeed.

            Although I’ve not been to either place you noted, I’ve seen photos and videos on things.. very strange indeed. In fact so bizarre, that I can’t ignore their prophetic relevance. However at the same time I can’t fully match things biblically as the evidence is still too weak. Anyway, below are google images of Hoover Dam symbolism 😉

            https://www.google.com/search?q=hoover+dam+symbolism&espv=210&es_sm=93&biw=1024&bih=652&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=HrKnUvHEDsn0oASw24HICg&sqi=2&ved=0CCoQsAQ

            P.S. If the Hoover Dam isn’t future doomed, then I’m a monkey’s uncle. And being guarded by fallen angel statues makes it a high probability imo. Btw years back I visited the dam (with family), but don’t recall seeing anything odd there, but then back then I would have been clueless, plus I think the occult stuff was later added to visitor area.

          • @MRH Wow, that is amazing! Who would of thought. I am going to see what I can find on the web if anything. They are getting more bold and brazen all the time. People that don’t have a clue, probably think, oh, look at the angels, guarding the dam…LOL So many have their head in the sand. It is sad. 🙁

          • MRH

            Suez: This link has interesting info on the Hoover Dam mystery 😉

            http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/10/warning-hoover-dam-destruction-coming-soon-mass-illuminati-media-messages-videos-2790376.html

            P.S. In truth from what I’ve seen lately, I think that we may be very near the edge now. And as for the fallen angel statues, there are likely spirits within them waiting patiently. Most folk are clueless to things, as they live in a comfort box, deceived by; government, economy, religion (where I once dwelt in ignorance too). The three elements of the sinister NWO 🙁

          • I did fin this interesting! Not from a christian, but from someone looking and describing it. “Hoover Dam Star Map – Photos inside – Let’s discuss the symbology!” I’ve come to appreciate the Hoover Dam as our civilization’s Great Pyramid. I’ve heard arguments that it was built on a major ley line node, and serves as much more than a power plant. One of the most interesting things about the dam, to those of us who study symbols, is the star map. I’d read that it is designed to tell future civilizations when the dam was built, but I was unable to find any good pictures of it online. Recently, I traveled there myself, and these are some of the pictures I took.

            The actual star map is enormous. Two winged-man statues are in the middle, and the map itself is inlaid into the floor. Then to the right of the statues is a wheel, featuring the twelve signs of the zodiac in bronze plaques. At the foot of the statues is an american eagle and some bronze plaques featuring what I assume are the state seals.

            I was very surprised to find the zodiac wheel, and somewhat shocked by the Colorado seal in particular. Please note the fascism symbol, and the eye from the top of the pyramid, radiating rays of light.

            Here is my entire album of Hoover Dam pictures on ATS. Below are just a few examples.” I’ve come to appreciate the Hoover Dam as our civilization’s Great Pyramid. I’ve heard arguments that it was built on a major ley line node, and serves as much more than a power plant. One of the most interesting things about the dam, to those of us who study symbols, is the star map. I’d read that it is designed to tell future civilizations when the dam was built, but I was unable to find any good pictures of it online. Recently, I traveled there myself, and these are some of the pictures I took.

            The actual star map is enormous. Two winged-man statues are in the middle, and the map itself is inlaid into the floor. Then to the right of the statues is a wheel, featuring the twelve signs of the zodiac in bronze plaques. At the foot of the statues is an american eagle and some bronze plaques featuring what I assume are the state seals.

            I was very surprised to find the zodiac wheel, and somewhat shocked by the Colorado seal in particular. Please note the fascism symbol, and the eye from the top of the pyramid, radiating rays of light.

            Here is my entire album of Hoover Dam pictures on ATS. Below are just a few examples.

            I’ve come to appreciate the Hoover Dam as our civilization’s Great Pyramid. I’ve heard arguments that it was built on a major ley line node, and serves as much more than a power plant. One of the most interesting things about the dam, to those of us who study symbols, is the star map. I’d read that it is designed to tell future civilizations when the dam was built, but I was unable to find any good pictures of it online. Recently, I traveled there myself, and these are some of the pictures I took.

            The actual star map is enormous. Two winged-man statues are in the middle, and the map itself is inlaid into the floor. Then to the right of the statues is a wheel, featuring the twelve signs of the zodiac in bronze plaques. At the foot of the statues is an american eagle and some bronze plaques featuring what I assume are the state seals.

            I was very surprised to find the zodiac wheel, and somewhat shocked by the Colorado seal in particular. Please note the fascism symbol, and the eye from the top of the pyramid, radiating rays of light.

            Here is my entire album of Hoover Dam pictures on ATS. Below are just a few examples.

            Pertaining to the Colorado Seal:

            By statute, the seal of the State is two and one-half inches in diameter with the following devices inscribed thereon: At the top is the eye of God within a triangle, from which golden rays radiate on two sides. Below the eye is a scroll, the Roman fasces, a bundle of birch or elm rods with a battle axe bound together by red thongs and bearing on a band of red, white and blue, the word, “Union and Constitution.” The Roman fasces is the insignia of a republican form of government. The bundle of rods bound together symbolizes strength which is lacking in the single rod. The axe symbolizes authority and leadership. Below the scroll is the heraldic shield bearing across the top on a red ground three snow-capped mountains with clouds above them. The lower half of the shield has two miner’s tools, the pick and sledge hammer, crossed on a golden ground. Below the shield in a semicircle is the motto, “Nil Sine Numine”, Latin words meaning “nothing without the Deity”, and at the bottom the figures 1876, the year Colorado came into statehood. 23
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            AmethystSD

            posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 06:36 PM
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            I’ve come to appreciate the Hoover Dam as our civilization’s Great Pyramid. I’ve heard arguments that it was built on a major ley line node, and serves as much more than a power plant. One of the most interesting things about the dam, to those of us who study symbols, is the star map. I’d read that it is designed to tell future civilizations when the dam was built, but I was unable to find any good pictures of it online. Recently, I traveled there myself, and these are some of the pictures I took.

            The actual star map is enormous. Two winged-man statues are in the middle, and the map itself is inlaid into the floor. Then to the right of the statues is a wheel, featuring the twelve signs of the zodiac in bronze plaques. At the foot of the statues is an american eagle and some bronze plaques featuring what I assume are the state seals.

            I was very surprised to find the zodiac wheel, and somewhat shocked by the Colorado seal in particular. Please note the fascism symbol, and the eye from the top of the pyramid, radiating rays of light.

            Here is my entire album of Hoover Dam pictures on ATS. Below are just a few examples.

            PeasantRebellion

            posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 06:53 PM
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            Pertaining to the Colorado Seal:

            By statute, the seal of the State is two and one-half inches in diameter with the following devices inscribed thereon: At the top is the eye of God within a triangle, from which golden rays radiate on two sides. Below the eye is a scroll, the Roman fasces, a bundle of birch or elm rods with a battle axe bound together by red thongs and bearing on a band of red, white and blue, the word, “Union and Constitution.” The Roman fasces is the insignia of a republican form of government. The bundle of rods bound together symbolizes strength which is lacking in the single rod. The axe symbolizes authority and leadership. Below the scroll is the heraldic shield bearing across the top on a red ground three snow-capped mountains with clouds above them. The lower half of the shield has two miner’s tools, the pick and sledge hammer, crossed on a golden ground. Below the shield in a semicircle is the motto, “Nil Sine Numine”, Latin words meaning “nothing without the Deity”, and at the bottom the figures 1876, the year Colorado came into statehood.

            http://www.colorado.gov...

            AmethystSD

            posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 07:13 PM
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            Thank you. I looked up Fasces on Wikipedia, just to get the nitty gritty. I think it’s interesting that Colorado calls that eye in a triangle, the eye of God. It’s obviously related to the one on the dollar bill. Did you notice the small picture of the Great Pyramid in one of my pictures, above? At least, I think it is supposed to be, on the time line which indicates when it was built.

            randomname

            posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 07:36 PM
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            can’t they just put made in the usa.

            why all the occult symbols and illuminati-type charts.

            i guess it’s more of clue that only future illuminati’s will be able to decipher and more to let them know that it was built by one of their own as a monument to their own perverted preceptions of their greatness.

            Estharik

            posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 08:27 PM
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            Wow I had no idea there was anything like this at the Hoover Dam. I’ve never been there but I definately want to check this out if I ever travel in that direction. Thanks for sharing, and to others, the album pictures are well worth looking through.

            In nothing we trust

            posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 08:55 PM
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            Originally posted by AmethystSD

            Notice the size of the rocks inside the perimeter and outside the perimeter of the circle surrounding Alcyone.

            I have seen the dam in person as well. It is awe inspiring.

            There are no cracks inside the dam. It was made to withstand a cataclysmic event. It could probably withstand a direct nuclear bomb hit, which makes the diversion of truck traffic since 9/11 interesting.

            There is lot’s of security at the dam and in the surrounding area that is hidden from view. They consider it a site of great significance.

            According to greek myth Alcyone married Ceyx who was the son of Hesperus (The bright Morning star – Lucifer) and was killed by Zeus the father of all the gods, after Zeus learned that Alcyone and Ceyx wanted to be like the Gods themselves. After his death Ceyx appeared as a ghost to Alcone and she killed herself out of grief. Out of compassion, the gods changed them both into halcyon birds, named after her.

            “Halcyon” is a name for a bird in Greek legend generally associated with the kingfisher. There was an ancient belief that the bird nested on the sea, which it calmed in order to lay its eggs on a floating nest. Two weeks of calm weather were therefore expected around the winter solstice. This myth leads to the use of halcyon as a term for peace or calmness.

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            I’ve come to appreciate the Hoover Dam as our civilization’s Great Pyramid. I’ve heard arguments that it was built on a major ley line node, and serves as much more than a power plant. One of the most interesting things about the dam, to those of us who study symbols, is the star map. I’d read that it is designed to tell future civilizations when the dam was built, but I was unable to find any good pictures of it online. Recently, I traveled there myself, and these are some of the pictures I took.

            The actual star map is enormous. Two winged-man statues are in the middle, and the map itself is inlaid into the floor. Then to the right of the statues is a wheel, featuring the twelve signs of the zodiac in bronze plaques. At the foot of the statues is an american eagle and some bronze plaques featuring what I assume are the state seals.

            I was very surprised to find the zodiac wheel, and somewhat shocked by the Colorado seal in particular. Please note the fascism symbol, and the eye from the top of the pyramid, radiating rays of light.

            Here is my entire album of Hoover Dam pictures on ATS. Below are just a few examples.

            PeasantRebellion

            posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 06:53 PM
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            Pertaining to the Colorado Seal:

            By statute, the seal of the State is two and one-half inches in diameter with the following devices inscribed thereon: At the top is the eye of God within a triangle, from which golden rays radiate on two sides. Below the eye is a scroll, the Roman fasces, a bundle of birch or elm rods with a battle axe bound together by red thongs and bearing on a band of red, white and blue, the word, “Union and Constitution.” The Roman fasces is the insignia of a republican form of government. The bundle of rods bound together symbolizes strength which is lacking in the single rod. The axe symbolizes authority and leadership. Below the scroll is the heraldic shield bearing across the top on a red ground three snow-capped mountains with clouds above them. The lower half of the shield has two miner’s tools, the pick and sledge hammer, crossed on a golden ground. Below the shield in a semicircle is the motto, “Nil Sine Numine”, Latin words meaning “nothing without the Deity”, and at the bottom the figures 1876, the year Colorado came into statehood.

            http://www.colorado.gov...

            AmethystSD

            posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 07:13 PM
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            Thank you. I looked up Fasces on Wikipedia, just to get the nitty gritty. I think it’s interesting that Colorado calls that eye in a triangle, the eye of God. It’s obviously related to the one on the dollar bill. Did you notice the small picture of the Great Pyramid in one of my pictures, above? At least, I think it is supposed to be, on the time line which indicates when it was built.

            randomname

            posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 07:36 PM
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            can’t they just put made in the usa.

            why all the occult symbols and illuminati-type charts.

            i guess it’s more of clue that only future illuminati’s will be able to decipher and more to let them know that it was built by one of their own as a monument to their own perverted preceptions of their greatness.

            Estharik

            posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 08:27 PM
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            Wow I had no idea there was anything like this at the Hoover Dam. I’ve never been there but I definately want to check this out if I ever travel in that direction. Thanks for sharing, and to others, the album pictures are well worth looking through.

            In nothing we trust

            posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 08:55 PM
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            Originally posted by AmethystSD

            Notice the size of the rocks inside the perimeter and outside the perimeter of the circle surrounding Alcyone.

            I have seen the dam in person as well. It is awe inspiring.

            There are no cracks inside the dam. It was made to withstand a cataclysmic event. It could probably withstand a direct nuclear bomb hit, which makes the diversion of truck traffic since 9/11 interesting.

            There is lot’s of security at the dam and in the surrounding area that is hidden from view. They consider it a site of great significance.

            According to greek myth Alcyone married Ceyx who was the son of Hesperus (The bright Morning star – Lucifer) and was killed by Zeus the father of all the gods, after Zeus learned that Alcyone and Ceyx wanted to be like the Gods themselves. After his death Ceyx appeared as a ghost to Alcone and she killed herself out of grief. Out of compassion, the gods changed them both into halcyon birds, named after her.

            “Halcyon” is a name for a bird in Greek legend generally associated with the kingfisher. There was an ancient belief that the bird nested on the sea, which it calmed in order to lay its eggs on a floating nest. Two weeks of calm weather were therefore expected around the winter solstice. This myth leads to the use of halcyon as a term for peace or calmness.

            edit on 22-12-2010 by In nothing we trust because: (no reason given)

            You can see all the pictures and his writing about them, plus people making comments. Interesting… Hoover Dam Star Map – Photos inside – Let’s discuss the …
            http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread643295/pg1 Cached

          • Sorry NTEB this is so long. But it is of great interest! 🙂

          • MRH

            Nothing to see?? I guess it was too long, so didn’t post, or NTEB deleted it? I got part of things in the email portion 🙁 Tip: Much easier to just post links or videos as I do 😉

            Anyway, about time for me to depart blog for tonight. I hope the prior link above yields enlightening knowledge?

          • MRH

            Well it finally appeared today suez, and very long as you said (lot’s of duplicate text blocks?). Yeah I saw that site too, but couldn’t find his photo album at ATS site link he provided 🙁

            As for the Hoover Dam mystery, it might explain a couple of future mystery prophecies 😉

            Dan 9:26 KJV – And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

            Rev 12:15-16 KJV – And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

          • @MRH There should of been pictures at that link I sent. Oh, well. I just typed into search, occultist symbols at the hover dam. lol I believe them to be occult totally. Must be something the high ups in Satan’s world are planing, like the NWO people and the Illuminati people. I think he addressed that it was something to do with planet alignment didn’t he? I think it could mean something to do with a re-birthing , but not a Christian re-birth!!! Good day to you. suez

          • MRH

            Suez: Yes, there were 3 photos on link you sent, but link inside article didn’t seem to show any. Anyway, in answer to things, below link has more info 😉

            http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/10/warning-hoover-dam-destruction-coming-soon-mass-illuminati-media-messages-videos-2790376.html

            Also a little bit of enlightenment on the new WTC 😉

            http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2013/06/who-has-crowned-the-freedom-tower-wtc-with-a-islamic-spire-2450092.html

            P.S. The above info is good, though I don’t agree with everything said. But the visual stuff is pretty much crystal clear in both pages (photos, videos)

          • MRH, also, I’m thinking those scriptures are referring to the land in Israel! My opinion anyway. 🙂 But who knows, it could be world-wide too.

          • MRH

            Suez: Considering latest developments, I’m thinking Israel isn’t the plan here. Nor is it concerning Babylon. There is simply too much evidence pointing toward America, as that particular mystery end time player. And not just America, but also Europe, Russia, Germany, China, etc. Remember Daniels 4 beasts? Each symbolized an animal. Ironically today’s big nations also symbolize same creatures.

            Lion (Great Britain) – Eagle (America)
            Bear (Russia)
            Leopard (Germany) – 4 heads (4 Reich’s) – Bird (France)
            Beast (New World Order)

            Mere coincidence or prophecy fulfilling?

            Also Daniel states…

            Dan 7:3, 17 KJV – And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. … These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

            This in bold indicates future tense (not in Daniels time), and I do think we have all those beasts and more today. Revelation declares similar…

            Rev 13:2 KJV – And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

            Dragon (China)*

            *China has more might than we might think 😉

            However Israel will play it’s part in the future after third temple rises. And there is plenty of evidence that event will transpire. And when it does, the sleeping church will awaken. As the evidence will glare at them. And then we will understand the prophecies, what; was, is, and will be fulfilled.

            P.S. Just my opinion of course, time tells the tale 🙂

          • NRH, you may be right. I haven’t a clue. 🙂 I don’t guess, because I don’t know. Until God shows me for sure, I will only wonder! And I don’t go by preachers. Most are guessing also, even if they think they are prophetic!! LOL Do you listen to Erwin Baxter? He says about the same as you about the beast. Later. s

          • MRH

            Suez: Well like the angel told Daniel 😉

            Dan 8:17 KJV – So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

            Meaning the vision (end times) won’t be understood in full scope until the end arrives. But even so, in these latter times are numerous prelude signs occurring. Signs of which Jesus warned us about, and the news declares many signs (wars, earthquakes, storms, famines, plagues, etc), others are hidden (occult stuff), known only by the occultist, or those in the know.. research opens doors to mysteries 😉

            Dan 12:4, 9 KJV – But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. … And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

            So we can wrack our brains in wonderment (many do), but the absolute answers don’t arrive until the end prevails. Even so, understanding increases as signs increase. And that’s why this web site NTEB exists at all. To reveal certain mysteries, but even so NTEB is still of limited scope. In truth, the only one with full knowledge is the holy one we believers worship and adore.. God 🙂

            P.S. No I don’t listen to Erwin Baxter, though I did watch one of his programs with a friend recently. Actually my external prophetic knowledge sources vary somewhat.

            My initial source is Ken Raggio, whom I copied somewhat in my older web project 😉
            http://aeroventure.com/END-TIMES/END-TIMES.htm

            Later I got similar YouTube info through ppsimmons, which has good prophetic insight, not that I gel with all they have to offer.. I don’t 🙁

          • MRH

            Oops! I forgot to close bold brackets 🙁

          • @MRH Yes, I know all the scriptures, and I keep abreast of the signs and all happening upon the earth. It is a exciting day we live in. Sad, terrifying, but exciting because the end is near, and at the last trump, Christ will return and we will be with him for all eternity!! For now we keep in his word, pray, seek his face, and watch. Awesome!!! I never heard of Ken Ragggio…sorry. Which doesn’t mean anything, because I haven’t heard everyone. But there are few I even want to listen to these days…:-(

          • MRH

            Suez: Ken Ragggio like Jonathan Kleck and others are but self acclaimed modern prophets.

            Btw I know many but not all scriptures (I’ve not yet read whole looong bible, just varied segments, so still learning mysteries). Yes Christ returns shortly (our death or resurrection event (good, bad).. whichever come first), to judge both the world (unbelievers) and believers in their order and place in bible prophecy spectrum.

            But if we have Gods spirit born within us, we are safe from damnation (eternal death), but not common death (we all die at least once usually.. excepting rapture) sister 🙂

            P.S. All unbelievers are judged at the GTW for their whatever works in life, and that aspect decides their whatever eternal future (death, life).

          • @MHR,,,I didn’t mean I know every scripture in the Bible. I meant I knew the ones that you had posted! 🙂 I have never meant anyone that could remember, let alone comprehend all scripture! What a wonder man or woman that would be!! Sorry for the confusion. And Yes, I do know about the Great White throne Judgement…LOL And yes we as Born-Again Christians are safe from eternal death. And yes we all die, except if we are caught up. To which we will be changed! What that entails, I have no idea. You really must think I am a totally naive christian…the way your always trying to teach me things I already know. LOL I’ve been Born Again and filled with the Holy Ghost for 43 years MRH, and I have been reading and studying the Bible all that time, and praying for Gods truth to be given to me. I have a long ways to go, but I have came a long ways also…Please give the Lord a little credit for teaching me something, all these years! 🙂 I love to learn, but somethings are a no-brainier for people who read the Bible and study, on a regular basis. Some things require getting into deep prayer and seeking for the Lord to quicken his word to you, and give you Revelation knowledge. Which he has done many times for me. I am continuously praying for more and more wisdom and knowledge. The more he fills me, the more thirsty I become! May we NEVER become to full, that we wouldn’t want more of God and more understanding of his mighty Word!! Good day.

          • MRH

            Suez: There are folks who claim they’ve read the bible multiple times. I’ve only read parts, though I once had a picture bible which detailed the majority of bible stories (read in full once or twice).

            Of the regular bible, I’ve read the epistles and Revelation in full (many times), and likewise some of the prophets such as Daniel. Some of Genesis, all of Job, etc. All depends on my mood and particular interest at the time.

            P.S. I wouldn’t know your Christian background except you reveal it unto me 😉

          • MRH, I never claimed that. I may have read it through once years ago. Now, I am reading it through again. But, sometimes, I go off and read other books, as some of the old Testament gets overwhelming to me, and I have to have a break!! I love the old Testament, and that is where one can really get to know God, and his Awesomeness!!! So many things I don’t understand. Praying for God to give me wisdom and knowledge and understanding, of his word! Sometimes he does, and sometimes, it doesn’t come right away…:-( I read and have read the New Testament tons of times. And re-read many books over and over. Like now I am reading and concentrating on the Book of Revelation. Even listing to it at night when I go to bed on CD!!! I fall asleep listing to it, and wake up and start it again. LOL So much there, and I want understanding of it all!!! I am a hungry child, wanting to be filled by my Father!!! 🙂 He must get tired of all my questions. I remember my kids at 3 or 4 years old, always asking why? What for? When? That is now me with my heavenly Father…LOL Listened to some really interesting teaching yesterday from a Pastor in MO. about the Forth Kingdom. The feet and mixed toes on the statue the in the dream Neb. had that Daniel interpreted. It was good!! 🙂 Good day!

          • MRH

            Suez: Something you just might like 🙂

            http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=15846

            Honestly, I’m not a book reader anymore period. So most of my bible readings are done online. Though I do some actual verbal bible readings with local fellowship group. At home though I just peruse things online with my BLB site. Much easier to navigate and search scriptures, plus has Strongs and other biblical helpers.

            As for prophecy, it’s a challenge for all. And God can’t reveal all mysteries just yet, so we only get bits and pieces. As for Daniels later dreams or visions, they span time, and are a challenge even unto best bible scholars. Likewise with Revelation and others; Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah, etc. Each contains; past, present, and future prophetic elements. God says it best though 😉

            Isa 46:9-11 KJV – Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

            P.S. What ‘ravenous bird from the east’?

          • MRH, Ya, I know. But it doesn’t make me any less inquisitive!!! 🙂 About the bird…beats me. I would have to study on that one. Couldn’t come up with anything on the spot!! 🙂

          • MRH

            Suez: In regards to the ‘ravenous bird from the east’, does not the Antichrist ring any bells? Two clues; east, ravenous. As Jesus is the main figure of the whole bible, likewise does not the Antichrist play a major role in the end time segment? Just as Jesus was God incarnate, so shall the Antichrist be Satan incarnate. Obvious conclusion?

            Anyway, just food for thought 😉

          • @MRh, yes of coarse it did. But I have learned not to answer questions quickly until I have read the subject matter before the scripture given. That is called Wisdom…;-)

          • I don’t go along with all on NTEB, even though I appreciate there site. They are still brothers in the Lord, but I differ on many things. They are pre-trib. I am not so much. So, I try more to listen to other teachers that believe as I do, or at least ones that are not so dog-matic in their opinions. But thanks anyway!! 🙂

          • MRH

            Yes we all differ in our beliefs, and I’m more pre-trib myself. I say more, because I’m rather in between, probably more mid-trib, but not exactly.

            The Tribulation and Rapture are indeed mystery yet, but I do think I’m starting to see the puzzle open up 😉

            We have to define things carefully. The end segment (7 years) is divided into two parts; great persecution (saints overcome), great tribulation (world tested). Very different things.

            Not understanding this fairly obvious biblical fact has led to the varied confusions with things causing divisions; pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib, etc.

            Yes persecution is tribulation, as latter simply means trouble or distress. Therefore the world even until now has endured varied tribulation. However I’m not talking about common persecutions and tribulations.

            My reference is unto the final persecution of the saints, which is then followed by the great tribulation unto the whole world. The saints are overcome before the abomination of desolation mystery prevails. And also when the rapture occurs, the redemption event 🙂

            Rev 3:10 KJV – Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

            P.S. The true church is raptured prior to the end 🙂

          • MRH, yes it is very controversial, that is why I wish not to discuss it with you. I prefer to keep the peace. LOL 🙂 Like you said, it causes divisions, so I’d rather just leave it at, we all have our opinions, to which we are all allowed! 🙂 Peace brother!!

    • @Santos, Amen Santos!!!! Good word!!

  • STL

    Sue: I miss I and Ron Murphy, you and D city argueing over post or pre tribulation, now, its Muslims, Atheists, angel lovers. I wonder what kind of posters we’ll have by April 2014?

    • LOL, well I don’t miss the arguing at all. But, at least I felt we were all Christians, even if we didn’t agree. Now I don’t know these people. And God only knows. 😉

  • STL

    Suez: MRH act like he’s against God, but for God. He knows the scriptures but again uses them against you. I know someone just like him, he’s called Satan, he’s just out to decieve us!

    • STL, I doubt he is against God, just me…LOL 🙂

      • MRH

        Suez, I’m only against attackers not nice people, and definitely not God 😉

        • MRH, Yes, I thought that…:-)

        • MRH, I will try to be nicer, sorry we got off on a wrong foot…:-(

          • MRH

            It’s ok suez, I’m the forgiving type 🙂

  • STL

    MRH: I’M BECOMING LIKE SUE, WHATEVER WE SAY MOST WILL DISAGREE WITH ANY STATEMENT WE TALK ABOUT TO YOU, SO ITS BETTER JUST TO CLOSE OUR MOUTHS AND TRY AND KEEP THE PEACE.

    I THOUGHT THE POINT OF BEING A BELIEVER IN JESUS CHRIST, IS TO HELP OTHER TO ACCEPT SALVATION, THAN WORRYING WHERE WE ARE HEADING UNTO IN LIFE?

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