Top Iran Official Says ‘It’s Time For Israel To Disappear’
“Disappear from the face of the universe…”
The time has come for the disappearance of Israel and the West from the face of the universe, a senior Iranian official was quoted as saying on Thursday, saying that they were the “prime sources of tyranny and gloom.”
Iranian parliament speaker Ali Larijani, center, arriving at Masoumeh shrine to casts his ballot for the parliamentary elections in the city of Qom, Iran, March 2, 2012. Photo by AP
The comment, by speaker of the Iranian parliament Ali Larijani, came after earlier Thursday the head of Iran’s nuclear agency said that newly approved EU sanctions against the country’s oil industry would not halt the progress of Iran’s nuclear program.
Earlier this week, Iran test-fired several long-range ballistic missiles as part of an extensive military drill, with a top officer in Iran’s Revolutionary Guards saying that the launch was meant to show to “regional and trans-regional countries seeking adventurism that the Islamic Republic is determined to resist their bullying and will give a crushing and decisive response to any potential act of mischief.”
Speaking at a Tehran conference, Larijani was cited by Iran’s Press TV as saying that “the time has come for the disappearance of the West and the Zionist regime – which are two dark spots in the present era – from the face of the universe.”
“The U.S. and the Zionist regime are the prime sources of tyranny and gloom in the current age. The Muslim world is fed up with the injustice and abuse by these governments,” Larijani added.
The Iranian parliamentary speaker also spoke on the division of Islam into different sects, saying that this division “within the Muslim world have led to corruption; by sponsoring such sects in the region’s Muslim countries, the West and the Zionist regime are attempting to lead Islam toward deviation.”
Earlier this year, Mohammad Javad Larijani, a top advisor to Iranian Supreme Leaer Ali Khamenei, told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour that Iran does not exclude the possibility of blocking the Strait of Hormuz in response to an attack,nor would it exclude a missile strike on Israel.
“Here I want to copy the wording of [U.S.] President [Barack] Obama,” Larijani said, adding: “Every possibility is on the table.”
The top Iranian official also referred to the recently cited comment by Ahmadinejad, in which he stated Israel must be “wiped off the map,” saying that the remark was “definitely not” meant in a military sense and that such a move was not “a policy of Iran.” – Source – Haaretz
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about 10 months ago
Well guys, they are gutless and all they are doing is just blowing smoke. They know that they don’t have a chance to stand up to Israel and our country. We should just wipe them straight off the map and make an example. They are the ones full of tyranny. They are the ones killing our troops in Afg. and Iraq. They are supplying the IEDs. If we had a courageous president, the first time that they received evidence of this equipment being given to the enemy being supplied by them, he would of destroyed that regime. Heck most of the east wants them gone, and so does their own people want that regime gone. Israel has every right to destroy them. What they say is a direct threat and should of been taken care of years ago. We also, with out a doubt, should stand up with them because they are a shinning light in that dark dark spot of the world. When they started shooting those missiles the other day, we should of been right there popping them out of the sky. But no, we have a president that is anti-Israel. I don’t care what he says, he is. The Israel people in this country should not cast one vote for this man. He doesn’t care about them. Sick of him lying to the American people, because it makes me think that he thinks we are an ignorant people. Of course China, Russia, and Iran want Obama back in. They know he is weak and they can walk all over them. Never did I ever hear these countries talk or do this crap when Bush was around. They knew he would attack. Wake up folks, this man is a deceiver and is rapidly destroying this country that he and his cronies hate and the country that we love and would die for. I think if he makes it back in, we will soon be celebrating 2 independence days. On the 4th of July and again on the day we take our country back from this oppressive, over reaching, lying, treasonist, greedy, lawless, corrupt government. Can I get an AMEN???????
about 10 months ago
This is the beginning of the end. My grandfather told me these things in 1965. He said watch for these things as it will come with your generation.
I remember his words scared me then but now I know what must come to pass. He talked of beheading and I thought not in today’s world but it happens right now.
Iran will stop at nothing.
I hope I am not out of line here as I never post but felt I have to here. Praise God. He is in control.
about 10 months ago
Bro. Craig,
With all humility, I am relieved to see these things come to pass. But, considering my condition, [stage 4 prostate cancer, metasticized to bones and glands] I am relieved to some degree wondering if I’ll see Him appear in the clouds of glory to receive the blood-washed,spotless bride of Christ as we are ‘caught-up,[ rapture], to meet Him in the air, [1st Thess, ch. 4], I’m worried about my babies’, children and gran-chidren. I want to be here for them, to preach the gospel to them that are not ready. I’ll cont.
about 10 months ago
TO Craig from post #2: Craig,I hope this encourages you: You can NEVER be outta’ line when you ‘preach the Gospel’, antd that is exactly what you did in those few words! Back to what I wanted to get across to any who may read this, Why is it that our current deceiver/destroyer of America/liar in chief, has come out with this position,[and I can assure you that 90 % of Americans dispise this] “we, [america],are making a partnership with muslims/islam etc. [these heathens/muslims,are the offspring of the union/copulation, between Abraham and hagar,whom Sarah insisted he go in unto to bear him a son. Sarah didn't believe God,even laughed at Him when
He sent His angels to tell them they would have a son, so she gave him hagar and produced 'ishmael',the father of the arab/philistines/palastinians/muslims! That's Biblical FACT! At the young age of 100 and 90, Abraham and sarah, produced, as God SAID!!! a son called ISSAC! the son of promise! That is why, to this day, that they ALL HATE ISREAL! And America, because America,[ until this heathen mulatto, [half black, half white] disgrace to the highest office on planet earth,got elected president] has
always stood by Isreal! I can tell you this, for a surety, that If, which is obamas’ will, America EVER turns thier back on Isreal,WE ARE DOOMED! More to follow, to be cont…..
about 10 months ago
Craig, it is encumbant upon me that I clarify something I said/wrote, that you could never be wrong to preach the Gospel. I’m reminded that The Holy Ghost forbade Apostle Paul from going to Asia to preach,He sent him instead to Macedonia, incidentally, thats’ why we in the western world,including Europe have the Gospel today. He also kept him from certain cities,[you can look this up in the Bible]. Also, whenwhen someone receives you into thier home/city,and they refuse the Gospel,you are to knock the dust off your feet and keep on truckin’! By the way,and I’m gettin’ off now, Do you know what the #1 export is in America????? BIBLES! Again I say, If obama is reelected,actually selected by the lame-stream media, he will turn his back on Isreal, bet on it! If these things concerning obama’s activities/words etc.. are not true,, please tell me why he treated Benjamin Netanyahu the way he did? I was proud that the Isreali P.M.B. Netanyahu stood up to him at thier last meeting . By the way GUESS who the first person obama called after he was sworn in as the first anti-American president was?<?<??? This is documented! ,,,, A philistine/palestinian/Isreal hater by the name ofabbas,I believe that is the terrorist arafat's successor. Gotta go know, but I'll be back, BET ON IT, If God be willing. PRAISE BE TO GOD WHO GIVETH US THE VICTORY THRU CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD,THE ONLKY WAY TO GOD< HE pushased us with His own prescious,sinless blood! The perfect sacrifice, the spotless Lamb-Of GOD,slain from the foundation of the world!
about 10 months ago
Joel 3:10-13 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong. Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD. Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.
Joel 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
about 10 months ago
Some of you would do well to start reading the NT. NT explains a few things that are important: (1) The Church is “his people” and “the children of Israel” by promise; (2) God conquers this world for Christ through preaching of the Gospel and overthrowing evil governments when He wills – and not through force and armies; and (3) the final judgement will be at the end, when Christ will judge the nations!
about 10 months ago
Oh, boy. This guy must be either a universalist or a Church of Christ member.
“Some of you would do well to start reading the NT. NT explains a few things that are important: (1) The Church is “his people” and “the children of Israel” by promise; (2) God conquers this world for Christ through preaching of the Gospel and overthrowing evil governments when He wills – and not through force and armies; and (3) the final judgement will be at the end, when Christ will judge the nations!”
God doesn’t overthrow evil governments, He allows them to cause misery, including North Korea. God gave us free will. God doesn’t force mankind unto Himself. You need to rethink your “replacement theology”. God temporarily put away His people Israel until the Gospel is preached. When the Gospel is finished, God will turn back to His people after the Rapture of the Church. There are separate judgments, judgment of the Saints in Heaven after the rapture, Judgment of the nations at Armageddon, and the final judgment of the wicked at the Great White Throne Judgment.
about 10 months ago
Actually, I am not a universalist and I am a reformed baptist.
Now, if you don’t believe that God doesn’t overthrow evil governments, read prophet Daniel and Revelation. Yes, He allows them to cause misery for a while (sometimes for a few hundred years), but eventually he overthrows them (which is one of the reasons Revelation was given, to give hope to the persecuted Church that God will judge their villains – and not just to tell us the future!!!
Your silly charge of “replacement theology” only shows me that you have not read anything on Reformed view of Church-Israel relations. If you did, you would know that we hold to an “expansion theology” that is in line with Scriptures (of both Testaments). Rom 4 and 11; Gal 4; Eph 2-3 are only some of the passages that teach the unity of Jews and Gentiles in God’s covenant community of Church.
Now, show me where does the Bible teach that “God temporarily put away His people Israel until the Gospel is preached”? Nowhere! You have to do lots of eisegesis (reading INTO the Bible) to get to that.
Also, where do you find seperate judgements? Where do you find two comings of Christ? You find it only when you read it through the lens of faulty dispensational theology!
Oh, by the way, I used to be a dispensationalist, and by the way, I love Jewish people, I am not anti-Semitic, but I do think that your false Zionism is causing you to overlook God’s redemptive plan for (even Muslim) nations! Both anti-Semitism and Zionism are wrong!
about 10 months ago
There are multiple Judgements. I am in agreement with Joshua. We are judged when we are Raptured before Tribulation. Judged by Jesus. That is where we will be judged and receive the different crowns. We as a church will not be judge at God’s Great White Throne Judgement. That judgement is reserved for the ones left on earth after the 1000 yr reigns of both good and evil. I have studied this subject for years and have read all three sides of post, pre and mid tribulationist. I don’t and won’t claim to be an expert on the matter but I do believe I have a pretty good understanding and there are multiple judgements.
about 10 months ago
You guys do understand that there were no pretrib rapture proponents until some 150 years ago?
Also, you are pretrib only because it best suits your dispensational system of theologizing.
So, here is a challenge. Look into the nature of the Church in passages I cited above. If the Church is indeed the continuation of God’s covenant people (as I believe is a clear teaching of Scripture!), then you have to throw away your dispensationalism and accept biblically defined theology.
Jesus only spoke of one judgement when He will cast unbelievers into fire and grant His people to enter the kingdom of God. Also, those who believe in Jesus, Bible teaches, will be ressurected “on the last day”.
Dispensational “last days” are 7 years long, and “the last day” is 1007 years old. Doesn’t make sense logically, theologically nor biblically!
But, DeltaBravo193, thank you for not labeling me a heretic or something! I understand that you guys are (to the best of my knowledge) sincere brothers with whom I will spend eternity! Oh, what a laugh we’ll all have when we finally “know as we are known” and “see Him face to face” – and understand how inadequate our theologies were.
about 10 months ago
You’re reformed anyone reformed is a protestant and a protestant is a reformed roman catholic.
Stop calling yourself a baptist, you are tainting the name of the baptists murdered by your protestant and catholic ilk.
Protestants and catholics = sons of Satan.
about 10 months ago
Dear Antisocialist,
baptists were reformed (and not pretrib!) at least since London 1689 confession!
Protestants killed ana-baptists (which is NOT the same as baptists, even though they are connected ideologically) – which was wrong, notwithstanding!
It is hard to argue with people whose main arguments are nick-naming!
about 10 months ago
ana-baptist and Baptist ARE the same. Not going to ad argument to the rest of what is written but as a Baptist, we did not come out of the reformed church or the whoredom of Romanism ( Roman Catholic),
about 10 months ago
Better check your facts! First baptists were puritans who left the Anglican church and were definitely influenced by anabaptists, but were not anabaptists.
But you can believe what ever you want… that is the beauty of baptistic theology… its freedom to be different and be a baptist in the same time.
about 10 months ago
WRONG ANSWER!!! ME thinks you’re too full of your self to listen. Yes, We can believe whatever we want. But, that IS NOT BECAUSE OF, AS YOU STATE: “THE BEAUTY OF BAPTISTIC THEOLOGY” IT is because GOD GAVE MAN FREEWILL! TO BELIEVE WHAT HE WILL! And, afterward, receive the recompense of thier error. I will go back to your post where you wrote certain scriptures,check them out and then I’ll be back to do as I am commanded,… ‘rebuke/reprove/exhort and instruct’, with all humility.
thanks,, Mike
about 10 months ago
Mike,
don’t judge too hastily!
Miro
about 10 months ago
First off, miro, I want to ask you if ‘islam’ is,[pay attention to my terminology], Is ‘islam a ‘way to God’?, and, are muslims saved? do muslims believe that Jesus is God and the only begotten Son of the Father, the spotless Lamb, the only acceptable holy,spotless sacrifice to redeem man and put ‘man’ in ‘right’ standing with the ‘ONE TRUE GOD? My goodness, let me put this in my ‘country-boy term inology’, You are about as screwed-up as a soup-sandwich! But, I believe, as long as you’ve got a heartbeat,and haven’t committed the ‘unpardonable sin”, then there is hope for you yet. That brings me to one more question,… Are you humble enough to receive instruction/exhortation/rebuke/reproof etc..? Or are you so full of yourself/PRIDE that you refuse to accept it? Remember; ‘pride goeth before a fall,and a haughty spirit before destruction’! Talk to ya lata’
Mike.
about 10 months ago
Mike,
Jesus is the only way to salvation. You have to believe in Him and submit to Him as your Lord and Savior! So, no, islam is not a way or the way to God.
I am not a universalist. But, I believe that we should preach the Gospel to the Muslim nations and not nuke them!
Miro
about 10 months ago
You’re wrong Josh, in that you say God don’t evil-
governments. You must read the whole Bible, ansd if you have, well, next time pray,ask for God to give you understanding and carry-on. The Last evil gov. God overthrows is that of the anti-christ,that ‘one-world-government’! My goodness man! By the way, don’t expect a whole lotta’ ‘understandin’ from God’s Word until you are ‘Born-Again’, by the Holy Ghost applying that precious Blood of Jesus to your soul,and I believe also, ‘the mercy seat’ of your heart, so that when you pray to the Father in the name of JESUS, HE/ God the Father SEE’S THE BLOOD! PRAISE GOD FOREMore to say,but the library is closing. later, Mike.
about 10 months ago
The church is his people and the children of Israel. That is why we every Christian should be standing right their for Israel. I would drop everything right now, hop a ship and go and fight beside Her if needed. Done it multiple times for this country and would not hesitate to do it for my Father’s country.
about 10 months ago
But, you don’t understand, brother!
That is Zionism, and not loving Israel by flesh! In the AD 70 the most loving thing Christians could do is run-away from Jerusalem and preach the Gospel to the Jews that survived!
It is wrong to think that fighting physically 4 unbelieving Jews means that we are fighting 4 God! Sure, we need to stand 4 their human rights and all, but we should not preach to them that they are God’s people! It is by the seed of Abraham that God counts His people!
Certainly, we understand that many (if not all) of them will turn to Christ near the End (and be grafted into the covenant people of God – the Church). And that is why we need to EVANGELIZE them and not FIGHT 4 them!
about 10 months ago
This we know right – God is going to allow the beast/anti-christ reign for the great tribulation – the son of perdition will have his hour and the nations will be gathered together in the last days only to be wiped out by the glory of the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ? In fact, it makes a lot of sense how much the disciples and people of Jesus’ day were expecting him to overthrow Rome etc. because there is more prophecy on him coming as the conquering king than there was of him coming to die as the suffering servant.
about 10 months ago
With all due espect, Miro, your ‘theology’ is bunk! But, with all humility, if you will receive correction/instruction concerning what you’ve written, I will be happy to help you. The only thing that could possibly stop you is your own ‘pride’. So, if you’re not to proud,ask and I’ll be glad to instruct,rebuke,exhort, with all authority of the Word of God. Thanks, Mike
about 10 months ago
I’ll give you a big AMEN there Mr.
‘Delta Bravo!! Most Absolutely!!!
Now, in response to Moron, oh, I
meant moro, whatever it is,, you’ve
got to be kidding, cause nobody
could have read the Holy Bible,
the KJV., and come up with that
that you espouse!! I can’t believe it!
You need help friend. If you really
believe that, then you’ve been deceived
or are deceiving yourself! Wow, I’ve never,
ever heard anything like that.
about 10 months ago
Moron is OK. I take insults for my faith like a badge of honor! Your words will judge you on the last day!
Maybe the problem is that I am not an American (nor an Englishman), and so we don’t have inspired scripture in our own language (for some reason, your god gave it only to the English speaking world, and left the rest of us in dark), so I have to manage the Scripture in Greek and Hebrew.
Or, like you Americans say: Ignorance is bliss!
about 10 months ago
In the Old Testament Scriptures God is presented as a Judge and is observable through:
1. The Flood
2. The destruction of Sodom
3. The collapse of Israel, and Judah; and various “ite” nations and Egypt.
In the New Testament we can find judgement in:
1. The Cross Judgement (John 16:11)
2. The Believers self-Judgement ((1 Cor. 11:31)
3. The Chastisement by the Father (Heb. 12:6-11)
4. THE BEMA JUDGEMENT OF CHRIST (2Cor. 5:10)
5. The Tribulation (Ezek. 20:37, 38)
6. The Judgement of Gentile nations ((Matt. 25:31-46)
7. THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT (Rev. 20:11-15)
8. The Judgement of Angels (1Cor. 6:3)
@Miro; I know that you only asked for two, but I got carried away.
Zionism: Is the support and belief of The Holy God of Israel’s Covenant with the Jewish people for a national homeland as defined in the Old Testament Scriptures. The Covenant is permanent as indicated in (Jeremiah 31:35-36)
@Miro; if you love the Jewish people as you stated above, then you are a Zionist.
Any Bible written in any language that is translated directly from the TEXTUS RECEPTUS can be considered inspired as outlined in (Mark 12:36)
@Miro; If you have original Greek and Hebrew transcripts and can read them, you are incredibly blessed!
In His Service,
Tom
about 10 months ago
Tom,
thank you for your intelligent answer! Some guys on this blog started worrying me that I can have one (with few exceptions, like DeltaBravo193).
Let me answer you from bottom up (I still need to check your references to give you an informed answer).
Of course I don’t have original transcripts! But neither is Textus Receptus original (AND: it is only for the Greek NT!) I have actually studied the issue, reading multiple books on different approaches, and I landed somewhere between the Byzantine (of which TR is one representative) only and eclective method of textual criticism (TR is a textual critical edition!).
That means that sometimes I find TR better and sometimes another manuscript a better witness of the original.
I don’t undertstand why you quote Mark 12:36. I just preached on that passage two Sundays ago, and it doesn’t say a thing about manuscripts.
about 10 months ago
Hi Miro;
I am fully aware of the various transcripts; earlier and later versions, and the history and controversy surrounding them, but I didn’t want to digress and get too far off topic. My response was in reply to your slightly sarcastic, slightly self-deprecating humor regarding you not being an American or having an inspired scripture in your language:
Textus Receptus was in response to the manuscript part.
Mark 12:36 was in response to the inspired part:
In (Mark 12:36) Jesus is showing the authority of Psalm (110:1) in it’s divine INSPIRATION. David recognized the Messiah, who would be his descendant, as being also his lord.
I know that it doesn’t say anything about manuscripts. The point is that you have access to the INSPIRED WORD OF GOD in your language.
I had recently revisited a study that I had done on God’s Preservation of Scriptures and their Divine Inspiration, so I find it interesting that you had just recently preached on it and that I made reference to it.
I agree with you regarding DeltaBravo193.
In His Service,
Tom
about 10 months ago
Tom,
my sarcasm was not intended to hurt anybody, but was a response to a guy that called me a Moron.
What you are saying is not what some “KJV only” people are saying. I heard that some of those say that we should translate KJV into other languages so they can also have the “True Word”. My point is that there is a difference between TR only and KJV only!
Also, I find it very disturbing when Christians base their argument on using or not using the right or “Devil’s” translations (those who are not KJV). It just brings an argument to a whole other level… down below the kindergarden age!
God bless,
Miro
about 10 months ago
Hi Miro;
All translations should be in one’s own language from the original manuscripts and not a reinterpreted copy from one translated language to another.
The argument should in effect be “original source only”
In His Service,
Tom
about 10 months ago
I agree!
Are you on Facebook? If you are and want to connect there, my name is “Miro BF”.
Blessings,
Miro
about 10 months ago
Hi Miro;
I am not on Facebook, I first need to find a 10 year old to teach me how to use it.
God Bless You.
In His Service,
Tom
about 10 months ago
Can’t help you with that…
God bless,
Miro
about 10 months ago
Tom,
I am a biblical Zionist, by which I mean that I love God’s spiritual Zion (Galatians 4) and that I believe in continuing mercy of God towards Israel, whereby God will convert most of Israel in the end and bring Israel by flesh into His covenant people of God: the Church.
I am also a Zionist with regards to loving Israeli people and not wanting them to be destroyed by its enemies. But, I think we should also love Israel’s enemies by showing them grace and mercy – and preaching the Gospel (and not nuking them for oil).
I am not a Zionist when it comes to believing that Israel in the land now means that the Land is theirs by promise, because the land-promise is connected with their obedience to the Messiah! They will certainly inherit the Earth when they return to “the one that they pierced”. Until then, we should preach the Gospel to them!
about 10 months ago
Hi Miro;
I agree with you on the first two points, I do believe however that Israel is a covenant land forever. Obviously we are not going to agree on everything.
In His Service,
Tom
about 10 months ago
Tom,
I don’t even agree with myself a few years ago (then we would be best friends! 
)
of course we won’t.
But, actually, this is how I think about it. If I remember right, dispensational theology tells us that we have to have a Millennial kingdom in order that God could be faithful to His land promises to Israel (as well as that Messiah could rule from Jerusalem…).
Yet, here is what I find strange in this belief. In all God’s promises in the OT, He is speaking about the eternal Kingdom, eternal blessings of the Land (just as you said above), eternal peace and so on. Yet, this eternal kingdom in dispensatinalist mind turns out to be only a 1.000 years Kingdom for Israel, and then comes eternity .
If you say that there is a continuity between Millennium and Eternity, still you have to explain why do we need a literal 1.000 Kingdom when the promise will be fulfilled in the Eternal state also?
My point is: God will be faithful to His promises to Israel, but in the NT he enlarges the promises to encompass the whole (new) Earth (see Rom 4 – where Abraham is told that he will inherit the Earthand and Heb 11 where Abraham is told is waiting for a heavenly city) and he enlarges the People to include the Gentiles (as Eph 2-3 clearly teaches!) and the promise is for the whole Eternity, just as He promised!
I really appreciate your tone and answers!
God bless,
Miro
about 10 months ago
Hi Miro;
Answer to your question above:
The Millennium Reign is a literal time of perfecting Israel and testing the nature of man:
There is a beginning….binding of Satan.
There is a duration…thousand years.
There is an ending…after a thousand years Satan is “loosed a little season”.
There is a purpose…the Saints who were martyred for Christ during the tribulation will reign with Him.
In response to your point: The promise given to Abraham was 430 years before the law was established; and therefore does not annul the Abrahamic covenant. Christ came to fulfill it.
The promise is not stated directly but is drawn from (Genesis 12:3). Paul understands this as being fulfilled in Jesus Christ. The Messiah would rule more than the geographical area promised to Abraham (Gen15:18-21)
Both the law and the promise focus on the fulfillment in Jesus Christ, just as He promised!
In His Service,
Tom
about 10 months ago
Of course the Abrahamic covenant will be fulfilled (and like you said, it is fulfilled in the Seed – in Christ), but it is also clear that Abrahamic promise is about the whole Earth (Rom 4:13) in the “new Heaven and Earth” (Hebrews 11:10, 13-16).
Now, about the time of perfecting Israel, it is clear that Messiah cannot come until they are perfected (until they come to faith), as is evidence from Romans 11.
Also, this raises another problem, which is 1. Cor 15:26 where it is clear that Christ is ruling at the right hand of the Father until all his enemies are subdued, and death is the final enemy to be subdued before He returns.
about 10 months ago
Hi Miro;
Romans 4:13 the author is referencing the promise and NOT stating directly here; it is referenced in the form of a prepositional phrase. So it IS NOT clear here at all that the Abrahamic promise is about the whole earth because it is not.
Genesis 15:18-21 IS CLEAR on the delineation of geographical area that is promised.
Hebrews 11:10 & 3:16 the author is referencing the promise as faith in the unseen and as a reference to the Israelite sojourn in the wilderness, see Exodus 12:40 & Genesis 15:13
During the time of the Millennium Reign those that have come to Christ and survived the Time of Jacobs Trouble i.e., The Tribulation will have offspring of their own. Although under the direct rule of Jesus Christ, there will be those who decide to rebel. It is during this time that mans nature will be tested and Israel perfected once and for all.
1 Corinthians 15:23-26 …Afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming…is talking about the RAPTURE.
God Bless You Miro
In His Service,
Tom
about 10 months ago
Well, it is clear that Paul in Rom 4:13 enlarges the promise to encompass the World. Together with Hebrews 11:10 it gives us evidence that God meant the promise to be even greater than the first time!
With regards to Gen 15,18-21, it is also clear that Israelites received the promise by the time of David and Solomon. Afterwards we see that the promise will have another fulfilment that will encompass the whole Earth and that will be eternal (and not just 1000 years).
You didn’t explain why it says that Christ must subdue even his last enemy, death, before He comes down from the right hand of His Father.
Just because you CAPITALIZE something, it doesn’t mean it is true. 1. Cor 15:23-26 is not the Rapture. It is Christ’s coming and the death of death (yet, you believe that death rules for another 1000 years in Millenium)!
Again, this won’t be resolved until you understand that the Church is God’s Israel, encompassing both the Jews and Gentiles in God’s plan. If you don’t believe that, then you actually degrade the Jews to a limited 1000 years of Messianic Kingdom – and not to an eternal Kingdom promised in the OT.
about 10 months ago
Hi Miro;
I was having technical difficulties which is why I had to do capitalization’s and spacing, not because I was trying to prove a truth. How silly. Problem that I was having is that the automatic spell-checker would change names or phrases, for example: It would change the name Miro to “Mirror” and it would change Resurrection to “Reservation” among several others. It was frustrating to say the least, but I think the issue is resolved.
1 Corinthians 15:23-26 should have read “resurrection” and not Rapture. In verse 25 Paul informs us that Christ must reign until all His enemies are under His fee, the last of which is (verse 26) death. In Revelation 20:14 death is cast into the Lake of Fire.
I disagree that Paul enlarges the promise.
I fully understand that Jew and Gentile are grafted together.
God Bless You Miro
In His Service,
Tom
about 10 months ago
Tom,
first 3 “judgements” don’t have anything to do with the Judgements debate, so I just skipped them. Here is what I think about your “judgements”:
In the New Testament we can find judgement in:
4. THE BEMA JUDGEMENT OF CHRIST (2Cor. 5:10)
There is no temporal designation of when and where will this judgement be. Actually, the context speaks of believers going from „this body“ and „returning to the Lord“ (v. 8). According to the context, this judgement could be at the time of believers death.
Also, when Christ speaks about judgement, it always sounds like „The Great White Throne Judgement“. For example, Matt 25,29-30 both the unbeliever and believers were judged together. Believers received rewards and unbelievers received the punishment of hell. The same judgement is actually happening even in Matt 25:31-46.
5. The Tribulation (Ezek. 20:37, 38)
This isn’t speaking about the 7 years of tribulation nor about the 3,5 years of Great Tribulation, but about AD 70 and everything that happened afterwards, when Israel is again scattered among the nations. It could be that Israel being back in the Land means that God will show mercy to them by converting them to Christ, but until that happens, they could be thrown out of the land again and again.
6. The Judgement of Gentile nations ((Matt. 25:31-46)
Jesus actually says: „all nations“, and by all nations he means: „all humanity“. This includes Israel as well! Actually, if Israel is a covenant entity seperate from the Church, then why no judgement of Israel, why no Bema Judgement of God of Israel?
Also, Matt 25:31-46 is the same judgement as Rev 20:11-15. All dead were judged (and not just people from Millenium kingdom), they are judged „according to works“, which is the same as Matt 25:40-46. The same eternal judgement is happening: „eternal suffering and eternal life“ in Matt 25:46 and „lake of fire“ in Rev 20:15 (with „new earth“ in Rev 21 being the reward to those who were written in the Book of life!).
7. THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT (Rev. 20:11-15)
As I wrote above, this judgement is the same as Matt 25:31-46).
8. The Judgement of Angels (1Cor. 6:3)
The Judgement of the angel’s, as MacArthur (a pre-trib dispensationalist!) says, likely „means we will have some rule in eternity over holy angels“ (MacArthur Study Bible NKJV, page 1736) because the Greek word can mean rule or judge.
Thanks for responding!
Miro
about 10 months ago
Hi Miro;
I added the first three Judgments for good measure.
Bema Judgement is for Believers.
White Throne Judgement is for Non-Believers.
In His Service,
Tom
about 10 months ago
Israel is God’s wife ..God’s Holy Word stands forever …. Jewish people ( Israel ) is a sinner like you and I,, and by GRACE shall the Great God save her.
about 10 months ago
I agree that pre trib theory is new. Joseph Darby is the one that had a vision while laid up from a broken back. He had a vision and seen this happening. I don’t take this alone as the living proof that there is a pre=trib. We the church is described as Jesus’s bride. In revelation it talks about Jesus coming back for his bride before tribulation. After that passage, there is not one more mention of the church. This to me, and other scriptures, tells me that there is going to be a rapture of the church and we will be gone durning this time.
about 10 months ago
Folks, I’ve been saying for years that we should just turn the vast desert of that region (except for Israel) into glass. A few nuclear devices should do the trick, and would make drilling much easier. In addition, we could thread the holes and plug them much more efficiently.
about 10 months ago
In other words: love your enemies by nuking ‘em!
Like I said: read the NT! God wants us to love our enemies not loathe them (only a few letters difference, but you can fit a whole theology between them!)
about 9 months ago
Luci May