A Bible Believer Looks At The Cult Teachings Of The Jehovah’s Witnesses

How do the Jehovah’s Witnesses justify these unbiblical doctrines? First, they claim that the church has corrupted the Bible over the centuries; thus, they have re-translated the Bible into what they call the New World Translation. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society altered the text of the Bible to make it fit their false doctrine, rather than basing their doctrine on what the Bible actually teaches. The New World Translation has gone through numerous editions, as the Jehovah’s Witnesses discover more and more Scriptures that contradict their doctrines.
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The cult sect known today as the Jehovah’s Witnesses started out in Pennsylvania in 1870 as a Bible class led by Charles Taze Russell. Russell named his group the “Millennial Dawn Bible Study.”

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” John 1:1 (KJV)

Charles T. Russell began writing a series of books he called “The Millennial Dawn,” which stretched to six volumes before his death and contained much of the theology Jehovah’s Witnesses now hold. After Russell’s death in 1916, Judge J. F. Rutherford, Russell’s friend and successor, wrote the seventh and final volume of the “Millennial Dawn” series, “The Finished Mystery,” in 1917. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society was founded in 1886 and quickly became the vehicle through which the “Millennial Dawn” movement began distributing their views to others. The group was known as the “Russellites” until 1931 when, due to a split in the organization, it was renamed the “Jehovah’s Witnesses.” The group from which it split became known as the “Bible students.”

What do Jehovah’s Witnesses believe?

Close scrutiny of their doctrinal position on such subjects as the deity of Christ, salvation, the Trinity, the Holy Spirit, and the atonement shows beyond a doubt that they do not hold to orthodox Christian positions on these subjects. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe Jesus is Michael the archangel, the highest created being.

Watching the Watchtower:

For those of you with severely impaired attention spans, we have provided this 2:58 cartoon explaining what Jehovah’s Witnesses actually believe. Enjoy!

This contradicts many Scriptures which clearly declare Jesus to be God (John 1:1,14, 8:58, 10:30). Jehovah’s Witnesses believe salvation is obtained by a combination of faith, good works, and obedience. This contradicts countless scriptures which declare salvation to be received by grace through faith (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5). Jehovah’s Witnesses reject the Trinity, believing Jesus to be a created being and the Holy Spirit to essentially be the inanimate power of God. Jehovah’s Witnesses reject the concept of Christ’s substitutionary atonement and instead hold to a ransom theory, that Jesus’ death was a ransom payment for Adam’s sin.

How do the Jehovah’s Witnesses justify these unbiblical doctrines?

First, they claim that the church has corrupted the Bible over the centuries; thus, they have re-translated the Bible into what they call the New World Translation. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society altered the text of the Bible to make it fit their false doctrine, rather than basing their doctrine on what the Bible actually teaches. The New World Translation has gone through numerous editions, as the Jehovah’s Witnesses discover more and more Scriptures that contradict their doctrines.

“Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;” Titus 2:13 (KJV)

The Watchtower bases its beliefs and doctrines on the original and expanded teachings of Charles Taze Russell, Judge Joseph Franklin Rutherford, and their successors. The governing body of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is the only body in the cult that claims authority to interpret Scripture. In other words, what the governing body says concerning any scriptural passage is viewed as the last word, and independent thinking is strongly discouraged. This is in direct opposition to Paul’s admonition to Timothy (and to us as well) to study to be approved by God, so that we need not be ashamed as we correctly handle the Word of God. This admonition, found in 2 Timothy 2:15, is a clear instruction from God to each of His children to be like the Berean Christians, who searched the Scriptures daily to see if the things they were being taught lined up with the Word.

There is probably no religious group that is more faithful than the Jehovah’s Witnesses at getting their message out. Unfortunately, the message is full of distortions, deceptions, and false doctrine. May God open the eyes of the Jehovah’s Witnesses to the truth of the gospel and the true teaching of God’s Word. source

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  • Yvette

    My mother works with a Jehovah’s Witness, and she has tried on numerous occasions to tell her the truth about Jesus Christ without success. The level of ignorance shown on biblical topics is astounding, and it makes me wonder what they’re actually being taught. She doesn’t believe in the Rapture, the antichrist, or the mark of the beast. I worry for these people because when trouble comes they won’t be able to handle it the way Jesus instructed.

    • johnjim

      Yvette, I’ve had the same success: none. Their doctrines are drilled into them. Their hearts are hard. To them, as well as the Mormons, Jesus Christ is a major human prophet, but not the divine Son of God. When I thought the Holy Spirit had them cornered, they came back to my house with a bunch of loose paperwork claiming that their scholars had discredited the King James Bible, just like Geoffrey said.

    • Reginald

      My father is a member of “Jehovah Witnesses”. I have laboured very very hard to explain the gospel of Adonai Yeshua HaMoshiac /Lord Jesus Christ to him but finds him a hard nut to crack, by reasoning with him from the scriptures, how God took our humanity in human form as His Son to pay for the ransome for mine sin and his sin, who accept the free gift. When his wife, our mother who was a Catholic and was very ill on her dead bed heard the gospel of Adonai Yeshua HaMoshiac and repented from her sins, and I led her to pray the sinner’s prayers, I invited my father to come along and hold his wife’s hand as we prayed together, he refused to pray with his dying wife, because according to him the Lord Jesus Christ is not the Lord God Almighty. It was not long afterward his wife passed away into glory. For me this is heart breaking, why a man, refused to pray with his wife when he knew she was going to die, because he is a member of Jehovah Witnesses, who rejects Christ as Lord God Almighty. And salvation is only the LORD! Look unto Me and be saved, for there is no Saviour beside me. And Yeshua / Jesus = SALVATION !
      Furthermore, I have showed him from scriptures; why the Lord Jesus Christ is Lord God Almighty:
      1 Timothy 3:16
      “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of anglres, preached unto the Gentiles , believed on in the world, received up into glory”
      I asked him to read it from the King James Holy Bible, not from the fraudulent new world translation of the JW.
      After he read from the KJV, I said to him, where the scripture said God was manifest in the flesh, if for example we remove the word God, say; ———- was manifest in the flesh, and fill the gap up with who was manifest in the flesh with word Yeshua / Jesus, he refused. And I said why? He insisted that Jesus / Yeshua is not God! And claimed he was created! Then I said the scripture he read said exactly the opposite of what he is saying! God was manifest in the flesh! That Jesus was manifest in the flesh , justified in the Spirit, seen of anglres , preached unto the Gentiles , believed on in the world , received up into glory!

      Also I said to him, to read Revelation 19:10
      “And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, see thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus /Yeshua: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus /Yeshua is the spirit of prophecy.”

      John 20:27-28
      “Then said He to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My Lord and my God.”

      I said to him, the angel in Revelation 19:10, said to John not to worship him after he had showed him things that are to come to pass, instead he should worship God, because he is only a servant. I asked him why didn’t the Lord Jesus Christ correct Thomas, who proclaimed Him as “my Lord and my God”? That the Lord Jesus Christ is greater than the angel and knows better than the angel, and should have corrected Thomas in proclaiming Him as Lord and God if He was not Lord God Almighty! And even the disciples worshipped the Lord Jesus Christ! If He was not the Lord God Almighty, He would had corrected them. But He did not! He accepted the worship, and honour reserved only to Lord God Almighty! He rejected it even when the scripture plainly is clear.

      Please pray for this man! He is an old man and only God knows how long he has left to live. The JW also do not believe in literal lake if fire, that God is love and would not put any of his creature to such horrendous place. The grave is the end, no soul. We are just breeze. Astonishing this is what he also believes, even with the story of Lazarus in paradise and the rich man in hell. To the JW, and my father it is not real, it is just illustration or story, not fact.
      I am worn out trying to help me, including helping him financially, and I need your counsel as if to give him up as mine heart is broken, even as he mocks at me when am saddened by his obstinacy and resistance to reason from the scriptures.

      Regards.

      Sincerely

      Reginald

      • DeniseC

        Reginald, I am so sorry that you are having a hard time getting through to your father. I understand somewhat, as my family, esp. my mom, are devout Catholics, don’t know the bible, and believe everything the clergy tells them—so quite similar to JW. They are putting their faith in man’s teachings rather than the holy, inspired Word of God. (However, Catholics do believe that Jesus is the Son of God, in spite of the faith + works doctrine, so I pray that your mom (and my dad) is in Heaven. I am glad she said the sinner’s prayer with you and I am very sad that your dad refused to pray with your mom as she died. ) I struggle over this all the time, and my heart breaks for you. I pray that, as your dad contemplates the end of life he will rethink what you’ve been trying to tell him. I know of a few people who didn’t accept Christ until they were on their deathbeds, so don’t stop trying. We are supposed to live in the peace of Christ, which is different from the world’s peace, but it is so hard to find that perfect peace when you’re worrying about the souls of loved ones, isn’t it? May the Lord comfort you as you keep proclaiming His gospel to your father, and may He be merciful and give your father another opportunity to receive Him. Some people are very stubborn and more loyal to a denomination than God. He may have to be driven to his knees and that could be a GOOD thing. When you’re weak and vulnerable, pride is a worthless thing. Tell him, his last breath here is his first one in eternity and he does NOT want to be on the wrong side of that.
        May God bless you, Reginald, and strengthen you to persevere through this time. Never feel that you are alone, for He is with you. Please keep us updated. Lots of people here could give you suggestions, verses that might get through to him. I will pray.
        Denise

        • Reginald

          You have received a YouTube video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-eHCxMM3PI

          DeniseC,

          Thank you very much for your kind words of encouragement.

          May the Lord Jesus Christ /Adonai Yeshua HaMoshiac bless you tremendously with His grace and Shalom.
          Above I leave you with this Aaronic lyric blessing.

          Baruch HaShem ~
          Sincerely Yours in Yeshua Hu Adonai / in Jesus The Lord !

          Reginald

          • DeniseC

            Thank you, Reginald. That lady has a beautiful voice and I love the acoustic guitar. Glad they had the words in English, too! 🙂

      • Ron

        Reginald your doctrine is incorrect I pray you are not stiff necked like some because remember….

        Reginald there is a Rapture and it is Before the Tribulation and many things point this out…..

        Enoch was taken before the Flood happened

        Noah was taken into Safety from the Place up Judgment and was “LIFTED UP” in the Ark whose door was shut by God’s hand.

        Lot his wife and 2 daughters were removed from the place of Judgment before it fell.

        Look at this interesting Scripture:

        Joshua 6:5 And it shall come to pass, that when they make a long blast with the ram’s horn, and when ye hear the sound of the trumpet,

        all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, and the people **shall ascend up

        every man straight before him.

        Another Example of The Rapture, The Trumpet is sounded and we ascend straight up.

        Have you noticed in Daniel how Daniel is absent for the Fiery Furnace it is as though he was Raptured because his 3 friends are symbolic of

        Israel in the Tribulation and Christ is Supernaturally protecting them and Nebuchadnezzar is a type of Antichrist Daniel is amazingly absent

        before it happens and he always prayed with his window open towards Jerusalem.

        You need to study the Fall Feasts. **This was given to me by Larry the Vet* but I saw the meaning of it and its importance immediately……

        DAY OF ATONEMENT – YOM KIPPUR

        When you understand the Day of Atonement in relation to last things. You understand that its about atoning for sin rather than judging for sin. And this day has no concern for the Church.

        Why, because our Day of Atonement, was a place called Calvary.1 John 2 verse 2 And he is the atonement for our sins; and not for ours alone but for the whole world. To those who put their faith in Yeshua, their Yom Kippur is past, but to those who don’t their yom kippur is future.

        For Yom Kippur to take place, those who have been already atoned for must be removed so the judgement of those who have not been atoned for can take place. Its not right, for the righteous [atoned ones] to be judged with the not atoned ones.

        What takes place on this particular moed is fully described in Matthew 25:31-46. The criteria of this moed, the treatment of Israel during the tribulation period according to Genesis 12:3. Because Genesis 12:3 was the gospel that was preached to Abraham. See Galatians 3:8. So the treatment of Israel during the 70th week determines if a nation believed the gospel or rejected the gospel. Now its the gospel of the Cross. But during the 70th week it will be the gospel of the Kingdom. Same gospel different emphasis.

        You see the purpose of the previous moed, Yom Teruah is for the purpose of assembling those who have already been atoned for to keep them out of harms way. You can see this in Numbers 10:3. That’s why the Jubilee is associated with the Day of Atonement. Jubilee speaks of rejoicing for those who are atoned. And the Day of Atonement speaks of judgement to receive atonement or be condemned.

        Praise Elohim for our atonement Yeshua the Messiah.

        Israel still owes God 7 Final Years and like in the above we cannot be in the same place as those who need atoning so we have to be

        removed ( THE CHURCH THE ALREADY “ATONED ONES” ) from that place before that Judgment starts, I hope you starting to see this now

        The starting point to start the Tribulation’s 7 years is with……..

        Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

        The antichrist will get Israel to sign a 7 year peace treaty. This is where the Tribulation begins with thte very first seal. The Church is no

        longer present in Revelation chapter 5 until we are returning with Christ on our horses from Heaven with His own Vesture dipped in Blood.

        You notice in chapter Revelation 4:1 After this I looked,

        and, behold, a door was opened in heaven:

        and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me;

        which said, “Come up hither,” and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

        John just saw the Rapture and in the chapters 4 and 5 those Raptured now have their and are throwing them at Jesus Christ’s Feet

        The Feast of Trumpets is the Holy Day of an unknown day ( 2 possible days) and hour and depends on the sighting of the New Moon.

        What is interesting is what is a moon equated to a woman / wife ( remember Josephs dream )

        Genesis 37:9-10 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me. And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?

        Josephs Father understood his dream. But what does The Feast of Trumpets start with ( a New Moon) it almost appears that this is

        in fact Symbolic of a Bride ( New Wife To Be ).

        but on the last day of it a Long Trumpet Blast is sounded thus the it is called the Last Trump. The 7th Trumpet of the Trumpet Judgments of

        Revelation is not the last Trump God is Specific here for what The Raptures Trump is called it is called The Last Trump.

        Now if that was True about the 7th Trumpet sounding, then God would not have called it the the last Trump instead of the 7th Trump

        and those things mentioned in Revelation Chapters 4 and 5 would be after the sounding of the so called 7th Trumpet.

        And the Antichrist right now is restrained because of the Churches Presence is what holds him back. this is where this Scripture comes in…

        2 Thessalonians 2:6-7 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

        For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

        What witholdeth is the restrainer ( The Holy Spirit ) keeping the containers (The Body of Christ indwelt By The Holy Spirit) on Earth.

        But the moment we are Raptured we will no longer be restraining Satan, his minions and Antichrist. Satan is already at work now but will be

        without restraint the moment we leave. And once we leave it will get very evil, very fast!

        To say the Bride will be here for The Tribulation is to say “Jesus Christ’s Sacrifice was insufficient to make us Righteous before God

        Which is Blasphemous! To say we need further Refining then we have a real problem then God will have to raise every dead Christian

        and thrust them into the Tribulation so they can be refined too and it is n’t happening!

        Jesus Said on The Cross………

        John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

        Our Lord “Did Not” get together with the group called The Carpenters ( Carpenters that’s a good pun! ) and say / sing

        “And We Have Only Just Begun”, No! IT IS FINISHED. He fullfilled the whole law and now thru Grace we are made perfect in Him when we

        finally receive our Glorified Bodies when we taken up.

        1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,

        with the voice of the archangel, and with **the trump* of God:

        and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,

        to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

        Another example of The Rapture.

        When Revelation speaks of Saints and the Elect these are people who are saved after The Church Which is Jesus Christ’s Bride

        is gone and these are NEW CONVERTS TO CHRISTIANITY.

        Proverbs 1:5 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:

        Proverbs 9:9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.

        Proverbs 17:10 A reproof entereth more into a wise man than an hundred stripes into a fool.

        I am copying this this time too much to rewrite!

        I think you need to reconsider your stance on The Rapture reginald

        • Reginald

          Ron, Please answer me these few questions?

          (Cite a single Biblical reference where pretribulation rapture view is stated unambiguously without taking a text out of its context to create a pretext that the rapture / first resurrection is before the Great Tribulation? For example, John being called up to heaven and shown things to come to pass is not pretribulation rapture as pretribbers like myself use to say to anyone who disagrees with my view. Simply, in Revelation 4, John was taken in the spirit into heaven and God showed him things that will come to pass which Dani’EL was told in Danie 12:4 to seal up the vision until the appointed time when the Lamb of God begins to unseal the book sealed with seven seals in Revelation 5:1-7. The first seal was taken off in Revelation 6:1-2.
          Hello Ron, the saints in Christ is still here even up till the fifth seal in which under the alter are the souls of them headed for the word of God and the testimony which they held.

          (2). What is the difference between the wrath of God and Great Tribulation Ron ?

          For Believers in Yeshua / Jesus are not appointed unto God’s wrath , but to obtain salvation by Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 5 : 9-10!
          There is a difference between Great Tribulation and the Wrath of God!
          Patterns , God permitted Job his servant to be tried, Job 1:6-10 is patterned like the Great Tribulation, God permits the Antichrist to persecute the saints in Adonai Yeshua /Lord Jesus Christ as a final test of fidelity , Revelation 13 : 7 , 11 : 7, Dani’EL 7:7.

          (3). Why is Pretribulation rapture only for Christians in the here in America and western world, but not for Christians in the Middle East , North Africa , Asia , West Africa , Nigeria , Central Africa , Sudan , Somalia , Kenya , Syria , Iraq Pakistan , Afghanistan? In these places they are beheaded raped and murdered in the name of Islam, but only us here in the west shall not suffer nor see sorrows Ron?

          • Reginald

            Ron, it is not a simple thing to say rapture / first resurrection will occur before the man of sin is unveiled!
            I challenge you to cite a single Biblical reference to buttress pretribulation rapture lie Ron?
            You won’t but expect brethren to swallow a lie in hypocrisy, in other that we may remain friendly!
            I have not questioned if you are saved or not. What am concerned with is falling away from what one used to believe as fact, which Paul warned in 2 Thessalonians 2 : 3-4.

            Another question for you which you ignored to answer, I ask it again!
            Why is pretribulation rapture view only for Christians in America and western world, but not for Christians in the Middle East , North Africa , Asia , West Africa , Nigeria , Central Africa , Sudan , Somalia , Kenya , Syria , Iraq , Egypt , Turkey , Libya , Pakistan , Afghanistan ?
            In this Islamic nations Christians have been beheaded, crucified , murdered, ethnically cleansed and their wives and daughters taken and sold in Islamic sex slave trade market, and raped their properties plundered and taken away, while we in the west because we are going in the rapture before the signing of the seven-year covenant between the Antichrist and Israel, we sat in our churches and say we are not going to suffer, see sorrow, persecuted, because we are special, superior. Please why are these brethren martyred for the name of Christ, who refused to deny Yeshua not good for Pretribulation rapture, only us are good. We get away and let the Jewish people and Israel alone to go it alone! Please do not ignore my question. I want you to say why us is good, they are not good so they deserve to be beheaded and martyred for the name of Yeshua and the word of God. Revelation 6:10-11.

          • Ron

            You did exactly what I thought you did! You did not read what I wrote, but only part of it and I will not waste my breath on you nor

            posting more Scripture to waste my time by not having you read it. Don’t let the door hit ya where the Good Lord Split Ya!

            Oh and we who are saved DO NOT THINK WE WILL BE THE ONLY ONES RAPTURED, THE WHOLE WORLD’S CHRISTIANS

            WILL BE RAPTURED, AS WELL AS THOSE THE LORD DOES NOT HOLD ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANY SIN ( CHILDREN ).

            WHAT DID CHRIST SAY? “THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE” FIRST THEN WE WHO ARE ALIVE WILL BE CAUGHT UP

            TOGETHER IN THE CLOUDS TO BE FOREVER MORE WITH THE LORD.

            IF YOU ARE SAVED REGINALD WHAT WILL YOU SAY TO THE LORD WHEN HE DOES RAPTURE US AND SAYS TO YOU:

            “Reginald why did you call my Blessed Hope a Lie?” You will be so embarassed.

          • Reginald

            Harpezo (rapture) + Anaesthetia (First resurrection of the dead in Christ) = Episunagoge, which is the Blessed hope, and the glorious appearing ofGreat God and our Saviour Jesus Christ, Titus 2:13, and 1 Thessalonians 4 : 13-18 , 1 Corinthians 15 : 51-58 will occur immediately after the tribulation of those days, read it up in Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 6 : 12-17.

            I provided you a resource material that will clear up the difference between Great Tribulation and the Wrath of God.

            There will be rapture for the faithful remnants in Christ Jesus/ Yeshua HaMoshiac, which will be before God pours out His indignation upon the unsaved and upon the seat of the Antichrist.
            Unfortunately, what pretribulation rapture proponents does is mixing up the Great Tribulation, which start at the second half of Daniel seventieth week, which last only for three and half years, but the Lord cut it short to remove His brethren, who were not martyred, and raise those martyred from the dead, before He pours out His wrath on the Devil worshippers and the seat of the Antichrist.

            Note, the Seventieth week is Seven years . The first three and half years are relative false peace, which Jews restart the old temple oblation. In the middle of seven the Antichrist commits Abomination of desolation, and that initiates the Great Tribulation. Jews and Bible believing Christians are the target of the Antichrist, read up Rev. 13:7, Dani’EL 7 : 21, Revelation 11 : 7.

            Ron, the ecclesia or true bride of Adonai Yeshua HaMoshiac / Lord Jesus Christ is here at this time.

            There is no rapture before the Great Tribulation! This is not in the Holy Bible! That is why Pretribulation is a lie! Those who teach this despite a preponderance of scriptural evidence that demonstrate pretribulation is a myth, need to consider what Paul warned in 2 Thessalonians 2 : 10-12

            “And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish ; because they receive not the love of the truth , that they might be saved.
            And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion , that they should believe a lie :*
            That they all might be damned who believe not the truth , but had pleasure in ununrighteousness”

            I fear that pretribulation rapture view falls within this scripture in what brother and apostle Paul warned the brethren in Thessalonianica. God then goes out to help those who reject His truth of His word by assigning unto it their subjective interpretation eisegetically, which is reading into the text what the text did not meant.
            I was a former pretribber, but through the mercy and grace of God, He opened mine eyes as I came to my end said Lord help me! This is what I recommend for you Ron. Come with an open mind in sincerity and speak to the Father, through His only begotten Son and say Lord please help. And you will not be denied.

            God bless you ~

        • Reginald

          Ron,
          Biblical doctrinal is not a personal doctrine, but true doctrine which all who are truly born again and has their names written in the Lamb’s book of life should believe and hold to.
          When an individual rejects biblical truth doctrine, and tries to reduce it into personal doctrine which is subjective , that is a dangerous position to be. Because it is tantamount or a prelude to fallen away from the truth which one once held sacrosanct, now says it is “your doctrine is incorrect” ~ Ron, is a dangerous position to be.

          2 Thessalonians 2 :3-4
          ” Let no man deceive you by any means : for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first , and that man of sin be revealed , the Son of Perdition ; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God , or worshipped ; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God , shewing himself that he is God ” .
          To reject the word of God, by ascribing it as incorrect, and to reduce it to personal opinion, is to deny the faith, which is apostasy or apostasia.

          What I have written is not my personal opinion, but the word of God. And for someone to reject them without valid scriptural reference, that is not subjective to allegorical somersaults of taking the text out of its context to create a pretext on which they read into the word of God what they want to believe is tantamount to what brother and apostle Paul warned in his second epistle to the Thessalonians is to fall away and deny the Lord who bought them with His precious blood.
          I urge you to humble yourself sir, and reject the pretribulation rapture view of John Nelson Darby, and Margaret Macdonald , and of the Jesuits De Laconza who planted this leaven in other to mislead the brethren.
          Not a single Biblical reference is there in the Holy Bible, that is clear on pretribulation rapture view, which even major pproponents of Pretribulation agreed that it is not there. That it can be found or discovered by reading between the line to find it.

          Again it is not a problem to get something wrong! The problem is insisting that the lie is fact, even when you can not show with clarity scriptural evidence. At that point one becomes wilfully ignorant and obstinate, that God then hands them over to the lies they always loved to believe in other that they might be damned who believe not the truth , but had pleasure in ununrighteousness . 2 Thessalonians 2 : 10-12.

          God bless you as you turn to the truth in the Holy Bible without.

          • Ron

            I question whether you are saved or not? Let me tell you I am saved! And not because I said so because God KNOWS ME and I am

            known of him. You are so blind to Scripture and it’s meaning and it proven by you just giving me Scripture and you HAVE NO CLUE

            WHAT IT MEANS YOURSELF! Why did you post a Scripture to me without telling me what it means if it so pertains to me?

            Specifically 2 Thessalonians 2 :3-4. So here we have another person(That is You Reginald) telling us we get our Rapture Doctrine

            from view of John Nelson Darby, and Margaret Macdonald , and of the Jesuits De Laconza who planted this leaven

            in other to mislead the brethren. That little statement of yoursis akin to me saying you went up to a random dumpster and pulled your

            doctrine from it. Most Christians have been illuminated by The Holy Spirit and shown this in God’s Word. So don’t come up here

            acting like you have new doctrine because you don’t and you’re the only one who is saved. The fact you couldn’t even see it or even

            understand it more than likely you have no Holy Spirit at all. No Good Christian on NTEB wants to hear your tripe.

            Don’t bother writing to me because no matter what you say I Know Whom I have Believed in and There are a couple of crowns

            awaiting me in Heaven. We’ve all heard your kind before. Have a nice day.

          • Reginald

            Ron !

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            What Is The Difference Between The Tribulation vs. The Wrath
             

            Is The Tribulation And The Wrath The Same, Or Are They Different? The purpose of this chapter is not to cover an in depth explanation of The Tribulation, and The Wrath, but to provide a foundation, a definition according to Biblical information definition. Then in later chapters, as other related events are covered, The Tribulation and The Wrath will be explained in greater detail, and how they fit in with End Time Events. By doing this, a more thorough and better understanding will be developed about The Tribulation and The Wrath. 

            Matt. 24:21, “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” 1 Thes. 5:9, “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.” Many Christians use these scriptures to say, “Yes, there will be a great tribulation, but Christians won’t go through the tribulation, because The Rapture will occur before the tribulation.” Let’s take a look to see what the Bible says.

            The word for tribulation is a totally different word than the word for wrath. The Greek word for tribulation is, “thlipsis;” Strong’s Conc. ref. # is 2347. It means affliction, anguish, burdened, persecution, tribulation, and trouble. When the Bible speaks of tribulation, it is referring to tribulation for Christians. Jn. 16:33, “These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.” The world is at enmity with Christians, Christians are persecuted for their faith and have tribulation. Non-Christians, or unbelievers don’t experience the tribulation the Bible says, though they can experience various degrees of difficulties. They aren’t ostracized or persecuted for their views and anti-Christian beliefs. 

            When many Christians think of The Tribulation, they say it is 7-years in duration. However, does the Bible say that The Tribulation is 7-years? There is a 7-year period in The End Times, but this is referring to Daniel’s 70th Week. The actual Tribulation doesn’t begin until the midst of The Tribulation. Dan 9:27, “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.” The 1st half of the 7-year period isn’t the actual Tribulation, as the Jews are performing the sacrifice and the oblation (temple sacrifice). The Jews couldn’t be performing sacrifice and oblation if there was Tribulation. The Bible refers to The Tribulation in the second half of the 7-year period as “The Great Tribulation.” The Bible uses Great Tribulation in only 3 scriptures. Matt. 24:21, “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” Rev. 7:14, “And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said unto me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”The 3rd scripture is in Rev. 2:22, “Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.”

            Therefore, in order to be Biblically correct, Christians should not refer to Daniel’s 70th Week as The Tribulation period, but refer to the 2nd half of Daniel’s Week as The Tribulation or The Great Tribulation. Please keep in mind from this point forward, that whenever The Tribulation is mentioned, it is to be understood this is referring to the actual tribulation that begins in the 2nd half of Daniel’s 70th Week (or The Great Tribulation). Of course, many people want to know whether Christians are raptured before The Tribulation? The Bible has the answer. This and other related questions and events are covered in the following chapters.

            The Greek word for wrath is, “orge,” (pronounced or-gay); Strong’s Conc. ref. # is 3709. It means punishment, anger, indignation, vengeance, wrath. When the Bible speaks of Wrath, it is referring to the Lord’s vengeance against unbelievers; they experience the Wrath of God. A classic description is Zeph. 1:15-18, “That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness. 16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. 17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the Lord: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung. 18 neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the Lord’s wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.”

            Isa. 13:9-11, “Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. 10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. 11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.”

            Rev. 6:15-17, “And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?” It is interesting that The Wrath is from God. The Wrath is God’s judgement against non-Christians. Is. 13:11, “And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity, and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.” Therefore, Christians don’t go through The Wrath, and would need to be raptured before The Wrath.

            Therefore the Bible does say in various places that Christians aren’t destined for Wrath, but does it say thatChristians won’t go through The Tribulation? Christians have had persecution throughout history. The Romans threw Christians to the lions; Hitler and Stalin persecuted and killed Jews and Christians (Stalin also killed non-Christians). There are Christians today in 3rd world countries who are also being persecuted and martyred for their faith in Jesus. The Bible does address whether Christians go through The Great Tribulation. In the following chapters this is specifically covered. Also covered later, is where The Rapture fits in. The Bible lists certain main events that precede The Rapture- this is covered in following chapters. 
             

            The Tribulation
            The antichrist rules the world, and persecutes those who don’t take the “mark.

             The Wrath
            God pours forth His Wrath on unbelievers. 
            Believers not on earth during this time.

              Seals 1-6 of Revelation- Rev. 6:1-14
             
             Question- Are believers on earth during this time? (explained in following 
                chapters).
                                          * Seal 7 of Revelation- Rev. 6:15-17
                                * Is. 13:9-11
                                * Zeph. 1:15

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          • Ron

            Reginald you have put words in my mouth that are not there you did not read my write up I will not read any more of yours….

            Since you claim I am not a Christian and that my Doctrine is personal doctrine HOW DARE YOU!

            THE LORD SEVERELY REBUKE YOU REGINALD

          • Reginald

            Brother Ron !

            This is your comment am citing!

            “Reginald you have put words in my mouth that are not there you did not read my write up I will not read any more of yours….

            Since you claim I am not a Christian and that my Doctrine is personal doctrine HOW DARE YOU!”

            Please could you show me where I put words in your mouth that you did not speak, and I will examine it objectively if correct I will tender a public apology to you brother Ron.

            When did I say to you, that you are not a Christian brother Ron! Please copy and paste the comment where I questioned if you are saved?

            If speaking in general term, that all who are truly born again children of God will suffer persecution or tribulation, does not amount to doubting if you are saved or not. I remembered speaking of the remnants in Christ Jesus who will be the target of the Antichrist including Jews and Christians.
            I never said you are not a Christian, but it is you who said am not! And I did not take it up with you because I do not need to as the Lord Jesus Christ knows me and I know him. It matters not to me if for speaking the truth that pretribulation rapture is not Biblically true, and for that reason said am not a child of God.

            I will not say to my Lord to rebuke a brother in Yeshua / Jesus , rather I send you a blessing.
            If it is someone who walks for Satan, then I could say to him the Lord rebuke you, but you are not. The misunderstanding of timing of the Rapture should not divide us, but we must speak the truth regardless of whose horse is gorded.

            The Lord Jesus Christ bless you with His peace brother Ron.

    • Michelle

      Yvette,their teachings go deeper than what appears on the surface.

      There’s different groups that go deep into revealing the truth about the WT Society. TowertoTruth.net,MM Outreach and 4witness.org are three really great sites.

    • CRYSTAL

      Tell your mother to ask this lady if she has ever heard of Johannas Greeber? He was a “spiritist” and made up his own version of the new testament that the watchtower organisation used heavily to copy from for there book the New World Translation. This may get her thinking. Also ask her if she has ever heard of a book called “Crisis of Conscience” A former member of the “Governing body” of the JW’s, left and wrote this book that exposes the lies and corruption within the governing body. One of my best friends was born and raised in the JW cult. I encouraged her to do her research, and she eventually did and left. I was born and raised in the Mormon cult, and left after I did extensive research on Joseph Smith and Mormon history. I discovered it was one big fraud and left. I am now a born again Christian praise God.

    • TWR

      Yvette,

      The blind can’t lead the blind. I’m not a witness and I know there is no rapture or mark of the beast. The mark is symbolic. It is a metaphor. Deuteronomy 11:18 God told Israel to bind his commandments to their heart and soul. They would serve as a sign upon their hand and a frontlet between their eyes. Between your eyes represents your thoughts and your hands represent your works. Any physical mark is Satan’s counterfeit. God Is a spirit. Serve him in spirit. Those who would have the mark of the beast have it already. It is evident by their works. Hebrews 9:27 says it is appointed for all men to die once. There is only one person in the bible who seemingly has not died once. That is Enoch, because Elijah was John the Baptist. Conventional wisdom says we won’t meet Jesus in the air (spirit) in flesh bodies. We must first take off that which is corruptible. There is no single individual known as the antichrist that can cause you to forfeit your soul. God has given us dominion over all things. We just don’t have dominion over our own understanding.

    • Ron

      You know Yvette we have one right here his name is EMERY and if you read his posts you will not believe the extent of

      the lying, hypocrisy, and blindness this person has about Scriptures.

      The JW’s are perfect and he said they do God’s Will all day everyday 24 hours a day and never do they lie. What a liar!

      I am washed in the Blood of Jesus Christ and is my Personal Lord and Savior, but I sin. God says those who say they have no sin are liars

      and The Truth is not in them. EMERY’S posts at NTEB are fulll of blasphemy. Their cult is looking for the antichrist, NOT Jesus Christ.

      You are so correct in what you say. EMERY is total proof of that!

      JUST SCROLL DOWN TO HEAR A REAL PERFECT JEHOVAH WITNESS NAMED EMERY!

      God Bless You and Your Mother Yvette

  • Ron

    Go Geoffrey! This will either get those you know who’s dander up or they will avoid this like the plague!\

    God Bless You Geoffrey!

  • Thank you for this, Geoffrey. I often run into them when I am out on my tract ministry. They are so hardened to the truth that sometimes I can almost feel the deception that surrounds them. I cry for them. Reblogged on: https://1way2yahweh.wordpress.com

  • While it is true that the JWs are indeed a cult which teaches many false doctrines of devils that contradict the teachings of the KJV of the Bible, the author fails to acknowledge that ALL forms of organized religion are apostate and fallen away from the teachings of the entirety of the Bible and serve the father of lies, the devil, rather than Yahushua (Christ) as they falsely claim.

    What’s not to see? Clearly the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 has now been fulfilled in full, for those with the spiritual eyes to see this. As of today (June 11) we have but 113 days left until the great tribulation which we are now in ENDS. Yet this author promotes the lie of a pre-trib rapture, even still, at this late date! Anyone not experiencing serious tribulation (troubles) right now is clearly not one of the elect and will not be gathered to Christ this coming fall with the fulfillment of the prophecy of Matthew 24:30-31, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-55, all of which describe a single event. God’s true born again elect are experiencing severe persecution and affliction and have been for over the past 3 years!!

    The signs that we are at the end of the great tribulation are everywhere!! Look at the following:

    1) The bizarre satanic and sodomite performance that celebrated the opening of the world’s longest tunnel in Switzerland a week ago.

    2) The erection of a replica of the Arch of Triumph from the Temple of Bel (Baal) from Palmyra, Syria in Trafalagar Square which was unveiled on April 19, with reports of plans to erect similar replicas in hundreds of cities around the globe, signifying an occult portal of some kind.

    3) The preposterous fraud of the 2016 Presidential theater and charade posing as an election with three pathological liars still in the race, all three of which swear unswerving allegiance to Israel and the Khazar impostors posing as Jews, who are the synagogue of Satan of Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, the Antichrist of these end times.

    4) Revelations that are now widely known that the earth is not a globe, but is indeed flat, just as 75 verses in the Bible reveal it is.

    5) Look up at the endless chemtrails tracing the sky and raining the toxic heavy metals aluminum, barium and strontium upon us to poison us in a non-lethal gradual way, in furtherance of the occult plan written on the Georgia Guidestones to exterminate 13 out of every 14 people alive on the planet today!! To deny this obvious evidence is to reveal that god has sent strong delusion upon you, so you will believe a lie, and so be damned, for rejecting the truth and delighting in unrighteousness, in perfect fulfillment of the end times prophecy of 12 Thessalonians 2:10-12.

    Not yet in the great tribulation?!? You’ve got to be certifiably delusional (insane) to hold such a view today!

    In light of this greater reality, why is anyone wasting time picking apart just one of countless denominations, when every last one of them are demonic cults teaching endless lies? It’s over. You cannot divert people’s attention from the truth any longer. Christ returns this fall to gather the elect to Himself and those who refuse to or cannot see it yet, will not be participating in it. It’s just that simple.

    • guest

      I sense an anti-Semitic date-setter.

      Witnessing 101: Never date set. The fact that you claim Christ will return this fall makes you lose all credibility. The signs point that we’re close, but no man knows the date or the hour.

      • I sense a demon in you. No where does the Bible prohibit applying prophecy to world events which have already fulfilled Bible prophecy perfectly, which Matthew 24:21 tells us signaled the start of the great tribulation to deduce when it ends and when the blessing date of Daniel 12:12 and Revelation 19:9 occurs. All Matthew 24:36 says is that no man knows the day or the hour of Christ’s second coming. But that is ALL it says. Nice try demon. Now you’re exposed for who you are: a deceiver.

        • Matt R.

          Why the need to call names? So you’re saying God is done with the Jews and the Church has replaced Israel?

          • I merely state the obvious, objective truth that you refuse to hear. God was done with the Khazar impostors posing as Jews (“jews”), who follow the hideous and vile teachings of the Babylonian Talmud and are not the least bit who they claim to be, long ago. He created them as His vessels of dishonor fitted unto wrath and destruction from the very beginning. They have stolen the name Jew” from their rightful owners to deceive many. But not all. They are the synagogue of Satan of Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 and anyone defending these vile cretins has taken on the mark of the best and is toast.

            The modern-day terrorist state of faux Israel is a demonic fraud ruled by demon-possessed psychopaths and pathological liars. Everyone of the truth already knows this. Only those of the lie, the sons of Satan, do not.

      • Anyone slandering another with the anti-Semite tag is a deceiver and a liar who has taken on the mark of the beast.

        The Bible says no such thing re date setting! All it says is that no man knows the day or the hour of Christ’s second coming. I have never cited a day or an hour prediction; nor will I ever. But that is ALL it says. Anyone adding to what scripture says and clearly means is a liar to whom the warnings of Proverbs 30:5 and Revelation 22:18 apply.

        I am not the lead bit concerned about or interested in failing to have credibility with you, who I have just exposed as a fraud and a liar, and thus a son of Satan. Nothing more.

        • Leonard

          Khazars didn’t exist until nearly 900 years after Christs resurrection. Read for yourself: http://www.khazaria.com/khazar-history.html

          • Actually, the Khazars converted from pagan phallic worship to Talmudic Judaism of the scribes and Pharisees starting in 740 A.D. your fact is irrelevant. All those professing themselves to be Jews today are impostors and wicked liars. Greater than 95% of them are of Turko-Mongolian Khazar descent and ALL of them follow the hideous and vile anti-Christ and anti-Christian teachings of the Babylonian Talmud and the Zohar Kaballah of the occult. In a word, orthodox Judaism is Satan worship in disguise, as is Roman Catholicism and Islam.

            Read for yourself:

            https://www.amazon.com/Making-Sense-Out-World-Gone/dp/098609210X/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465562943&sr=1-3&keywords=watchman+on+the+wall

            I wrote it. But God Himself inspired it. Prove me wrong.

          • Leonard

            Watchman, YOU SAID:” God was done with the Khazar impostors…”. WHEN was he “done”? WHEN did they relocate to the middle east prior to the 8th Century? Prove it…

        • Reginald

          Watchman_on_the_Wall !

          “The modern-day terrorist state of faux Israel is a demonic fraud ruled by demon-possessed psychopaths and pathological liars. Everyone of the truth already knows this. Only those of the lie, the sons of Satan, do not”

          Initially, what you wrote at the beginning when you made your first comment, was fine with me, except the date you set up for Adonai Yeshua HaMoshiac /Lord Jesus Christ return you set up by this fall. I overlooked it giving you a space or allowance, as I would like our Jewish Messiah, who was crucified , died , buried ,
          resurrected and ascended into heaven to come asap because of the terrible time we are living as the end of day.
          However, I shall not let you slander God’s chosen nation, and God’s chosen race by which the Son of the Blessed took upon Himself our humanity, and terbanacled as the Son of Man in other to Redeem Israel, His Jewish people and the entire Gentile Nations who repents from their sin and call upon the name of Adonai Yeshua HaMoshiac /Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. Acts 4:12. Neither is there any other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved. The name of Adonai Yeshua HaMoshiac is salvation, first to the Jews people, who are today as the scripture stated has returned back to the land of Israel, from all the nations where He scattered them. Jeremiah 16 :14 -16, 31:7-10. These prophetic scriptures exactly has been fulfilled in respect of the modern State of Israel, and the Jewish people are back to the land of Israel.
          I wonder if you have read these scriptures before writing this preposterous bogus lies that has no scriptural reference to say otherwise.
          I urge you strongly to repent of the spirit of antisemitism and hatred. You exposed yourself when you made the above preposterous claim.

          Sorry!

          • Reginald, your are strongly delusional, deeply deceived and doing the work of the devil by swearing allegiance to the synagogue of Satan of Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, thus having taken on the mark of the beast. Your vain babbling here will not save you from anything.

            Anyone of the truth already knows that those posing as Jews today are Turko-Mongolian Khazar impostors who follow the hideous and view anti-Christ and Anti-Christian teachings of hatred, bigotry and racism of the Babylonian Talmud of orthodox Judaism. They have stolen the names Semite, Jew, Israel and Hebrew from their rightful owners, of whom I am one and I am engaged and furious over their endless frauds and crimes against humanity which you shield them from proper exposure and being brought to true justice. How dare you suggest that I have anything to repent for when you are promulgating such hideous lies.

            Yahushua came to testify to the ruth and those who are of the truth hear His voice. Conversely, those who are not of the truth, are of the lie and serve the father of lies the devil, whether they realize it or not. You clearly have no interest in the objective truth. You are of your father, the devil, the father of lies. It’s effectively over for you. Now get lost. Your lies and holier than thou attitude about them disgust me, as well they should.

      • Amen!

      • Ron

        Guest just so you know The Feast of Trumpets is the Holy Day where it can start on one of two days and unknown hour because it

        is based on seeing the New Moon. The Spring/Summer Feasts have been fullfilled. But this is the Feast we are to look to for The Rapture.

        You are right in that we won’t know which Feast of Trumpets but we are told to WATCH and with all that is going on I am eyeballing this one

        very closely.

        To Watchman I would refrain from saying someone has a demon (I sense a demon in you.), I might say: I question their Salvation, but not

        say what you did. And IF you yourself are unsaved and Guest is Saved you will have just committed Blasphemy!

        • Ron, I intend to speak the objective, absolute truth, as offensive as it may be to wicked liars. The slander of anti-Semitism reveals a person to have taken on the mark of the beast. All those with the mark are infested with or possessed by demon spirits of deceit. Those posing as Jews today are total impostors and the synagogue of Satan of Revelation 2:9 and 3:9. If people cannot see this yet, they are revealing that they are not of the elect and that god has sent them strong delusion, in perfect fulfillment of the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12. There is nothing in Scripture supporting a mockery of revealing the timeline of where we are in God’s prophetic Biblical timeline (so-called “date-setting”). That too is a fraud that comes from the father of lies, the devil.

          I know who I am and whose I am with absolute certainty. I don’t need or seek any man’s affirmation. Only God’s. I have it. Speaking objective truth is never blasphemy.

          • Ron

            Buddy WOTW you are so full of your self and Blasphemy! My Spirit does not bear witness with yours and your posts.

            And your comments to reginald are uncalled for. Quote:”Reginald, your are strongly delusional, deeply deceived and doing the work of

            the devil by swearing allegiance to the synagogue of Satan”: End Quote. Where in his post you white washed sepulcher did he say

            I pledge allegience to Satan? The Lord Rebuke You Watchman on The Wall.

    • Matt R.

      Matthew 24 was written for the Jews.

      • The entirety of the Bible was written for God’s elect. Dispensationalism is a doctrine of devils conjured up by liars and wolves in sheep’ clothing to deceive many.

        95% of those professing themselves to be Jews today are Khazar impostors posing as Jews who follow the hideous and vile teachings of the Babylonian Talmud. They are the synagogue of Satan of Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, and thus the Antichrist of these end times. All “jews” secretly serve and worship Satan. And here’s proof:

        “We Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer… We are his chosen people.” — Harold Rosenthal from “The Hidden Tyranny” (1976)

        The objective truth is is SO inconvenient… to wicked liars caught in their con jobs and endless frauds.

        • Charles Maurer

          Let me guess? You’re a Seventh Day Adventist?

          • You don’t guess so good, do you? All forms of organized religion are, and always have been, demonic. Now why would I affiliate myself with a cult of any form? That would be disobedient to both 2 Timothy 3:5 and Revelation 18:4. And I never knowingly disobey any of God’s commandments, out of my fear of YHWH and His awesome might and power.

            So what are you? A deceiver?

        • Reginald

          “Ron, I intend to speak the objective, absolute truth, as offensive as it may be to wicked liars. The slander of anti-Semitism reveals a person to have taken on the mark of the beast. All those with the mark are infested with or possessed by demon spirits of deceit. Those posing as Jews today are total impostors and the synagogue of Satan of Revelation 2:9 and 3:9. If people cannot see this yet, they are revealing that they are not of the elect an”

          Watchman_on_the_Wall !

          Again you betrayed yourself to speak for Lucifer , murderous Red Dragon , crescent moon coupled to a star, Heilel Ben Shachar , Allah, the Old Serpent in the garden that beguiledthe woman, Eve by saying to her “ye shall not surely die, for God knows that if ye eat ye shall be as god”
          Eve believed the Serpent , and took it and ate, her eye opened to her shame, and she in turn became a temptress to the man, Adam, her husband, and he took and ate and found that he was naked.
          This is the same old Serpent who beguiled the first created perfect being, that is speaking through you Mr Watchman_on_the_Wall, as you claim, but you are neither any watch man, rather a deceiver, liar, child of Serpent with forked tongued, who works for the two ultimate beasts of Revelation13:1-10 ; and 13:11-10.
          Your constant throw of someone taking the mark of the beast, is to deflect you being scrutinised and descrned by true Bible believing Christians, that you work for the two ultimate beasts of Revelation 13 and 17.
          I guess you are a Jesuit, and work for the False Prophet and his false project of one world Relugion under the leadership of the Pontificate Maximus in Vatican.

          You either repent or perish!

          • Ron

            Quote Reginald:”I guess you are a Jesuit, and work for the False Prophet and his false project of one world Relugion under the leadership of the Pontificate Maximus in Vatican.
            You either repent or perish!”:End Quote

            To Whom are you referring to?

          • Reginald

            Ron, the above quote was an excerpt comment, made by Mr Watchman_on_the_Wall, in which he used your name to make the comment I referenced in inverted comma.
            Ron, you are a good man. Is not you my comment is directed towards. It is directed towards the Jesuit infiltrator, Watch _ man _ on _ the _ wall, who is neither a watchman but a liar, deceiver, and works for the Serpent with forked tongued that beguiled the woman Eve, who claimed that modern nation of Israel is fake. Please is not you my friend Ron, it is the the one who works for the two ultimate beasts of Revelation 13 : 1-10 ; and 13 : 11-18.
            It is directed towards the so called watchman_man_on_the _ wall, who is neither a watchman ! The Lord rebuke you Mr Watchman_on_the_Wall.

            Blessing to you my friend Ron.

            Regards

      • Reginald

        You are not speaking the truth, when you said, “Matthew 24 was written for the Jews”

        How about all scripture is given by the inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Timothy 3:16-17.

        It is only the pretribulationists or pretribbers, a false teaching that the Great Tribulation is only meant for the Jews, spouts out “Matthew 24 was written for the Jews”.
        The Pretribbers are hackers of the Holy Bible. They hack and cut scripture by taking it out of context to create a pretext, in other to teach their false lesson that rapture before the Great Tribulation. That only Jews and Israel will be persecuted and martyred by the Antichrist!
        They have no scriptural reference, even a single Biblical reference to buttress pretribulation rapture view, yet they insist and spout this lie. And now another lie is added to their false teaching of Pretribulation rapture; ” Matthew 24 was written for the Jews”
        It is only antisemites who teach what is not in the Holy Bible, like the lie “Palestine or Palestinians”

        I would like those who taught this lie to repent. I was a pretribber, until the Lord made me to study the scripture myself without hacking scripture or taking it out of context.
        We all made mistake, but if after we have been shown that we are wrong, and we refuse to change direction, that makes it very very inexcusable and leads to the great fallen away or apostasy. God then helps you to believe the lie you always wanted to believe. Delusional judgment comes upon those rejecting the truth they once professed ( 2 Thessalonians 2 : 3-4 ; 10-11)

        Make no mistake about it pretribulation is programmed to lead to many fallen away, when eventually the Antichrist and the Mark of the beast is around and the proponents of Pretribulation rapture have not been removed, and the antichrist begins to persecute the saints in Christ Jesus and even martyrs them. Revelation 13:7, Dani’EL 7 : 21. They were told by their pastor that they would be removed before the mark of the beast.

        • Matt R.

          So how do Matthew 24:15-16″apply to Christians? Where is our holy place?

          • Anyone believing that any verse in the Bible does not apply to them is self-deceived and is no true follower of Yahushua.

            The literal fulfillment of the prophecy of Matthew 24:15 on March 22, 2013 was in the form of the grotto underneath the Church of Nativity, purported to be the birthplace of Christ (hence holy place). The “Obama-nation” stood in it that day.

            The metaphorical fulfillment of that prophecy is wrapped in symbols of meaning. Obama is a known homosexual and supporter of same-sex marriage. Same sex marriage is the abomination (of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13) which would cause desolation of the human race, if taken to its extreme, standing IN THE PLACE of holy matrimony (hence, holy place) designed by God between one man and one woman for life.

            Since you seem to enjoy playing fast and loose with the truth, you do not hear the voice of Yahushua (John 18:37). The only other option is that you hear the voice of the father of lies, the devil. There is no holy place for you.

            What’s in it for you to suppress and silence the truth? A hotter hell for all eternity?

        • Leonard

          Beautifully stated, Reg!

        • So I see that you do not believe the New Testament of the KJV then. You are about as far from the truth as one can be. Read Paul’s writings from Romans to Philemon. This was clearly written to the Gentiles (us). You are welcomed to stay for the Tribulation if you please!

          • Reginald

            David, please cite reference scripture as you said “from Romans to Philemon, where Paul told his Gentiles audience (us), that rapture / first resurrection is before the Great Tribulation.

            I will like you to show me where the pretribulation rapture view is in those areas you stated are in from Romans  to Philemon sir please?
            I wouldn’t like you to leave me in suspense to scratch the surface and finding out that is there.

            And Christians in the Middle East , North Africa , Asia , West Africa , Nigeria , Central Africa , Sudan , Somalia , Kenya , Syria , Iraq Pakistan, who are slaughtered , and beheaded by ISIS, and their wives and daughters taken and sold in Islamic sex slave trade market and raped and murdered, why are they not good for rapture before their tribulation, or Martyrdom ?
            Why is it that it is us here in the comfort of our democracy and freedom in the western world, that this pretribulation rapture /first resurrection is meant for. David, why is pretribulation rapture view is popular only here in the west? Is it fair that only us here in the west will escape without sharing in the fellowship of suffering with the saints of Yeshua.
            This is the reason, why many will be offended, and will betray one another in other to save their skin, when they realise that what their false pastors and teachers taught them, they will not be here when the Antichrist begins to persecute the saints of Yeshua who refuse to worship him and take his mark, and because they have been programmed that they will not suffer, or be martyred, they will eventually fall away by taking the mark of the beast, and reject the word of God.
            Matthew 24 :9-13

            Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
            And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

            David that is the word of God! Whether you believe it or not, or say it is only for Jews, and Israel to go through it, and we or us Gentiles the word of God is not for us, is astonishing. This is what the pretribulationist teachers has taught many sincere, honest brethren in the time past, but God has opened up His word as we humbled ourselves before Him and read His word without taking text out of its context in other to make it say what we want it to say. This is called reading into the word and seeing what is not in there. This is going to bring delusional judgment, the curse of damnation for believing a lie instead of the truth. 2 Thessalonians 2 : 10-12

        • Ron

          Reginald I apologize as it is not my intent to slam someone unintentionally and with all the posts up here sometimes if we are not

          careful on how we word them ( That certainly Applies to me and I am not without my faults ) then it can appear as though we are making

          those statements. However answer me this is this your Belief??????

          Quote:”Make no mistake about it pretribulation is programmed to lead to many fallen away, when eventually the Antichrist and the Mark of the beast is around and the proponents of Pretribulation rapture have not been removed, and the antichrist begins to persecute the saints in Christ Jesus and even martyrs them. Revelation 13:7, Dani’EL 7 : 21. They were told by their pastor that they would be removed before the mark of the beast”: End Quote

          I do thank you for the compliment, but there is only One Who is Good and that is Jesus Christ, and without Him all of me would be

          a filthy rag in His Eyes, only by His Gift of Salvation can I come before God The Father and be made Righteous to approach Him.

          If that is your belief About there is no Pre-tribulation Rapture, you’re doctrine is not sound. So if this is the case I cannot affiliate myself

          nor my doctrine towards someone who is contrary. Is that words from your own heart and your own belief?

          • Reginald

            Hi Ron,
            Please note the idea of rapture /resurrection before the rapture Christ not Biblically true. There is no any single Biblical reference the proponents of Pretribulation rapture can demonstrate that exegetically and literally state that rapture / first resurrection occurs without us the true bride of Adonai Yeshua HaMoshiac not knowing who are the two ultimate beasts of Revelation 13: 1-10 ; and 13 : 11-18.
            The epistle of brother Shaul of Tarsus or apostle Paul to second Thessalonians 2 : 3-4
            ” Let no man deceive you by any means : for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first , and that man of sin be revealed , the Son of Perdition ; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God , or worshipped ; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God , shewing himself that he is God ”

            ●Paul spoke of the Apostasia or fallen away,1 Timothy 4 : 1-2!

            ●He then spoke of the unveiling of the Man of Lawlessness; the Son of Perdition; The Antichrist, this includes his assistant, the False Prophet!

            The above conditions, at least are minimum conditions which must be met before the Saints in Christ /Messiah are raptured /first resurrection! Rapture (Harpazo)+first resurrection ( Anaesthetia) = Episunagoge!

            Let me ask you sir to answer these puzzles!

            ●the unveiling of the Man of Lawlessness, to whom will the Lord Jesus Christ, through the Holy Spirit, reveal or unveil this Son of Perdition to?

            Please choose select one of the list from below the correct response:

            (a) the deceived in the world without their names in the book of life.
            (b) to the apostate (s), compromised, who are ordaining females pastors, women pastors, Homosexuals, bisexuals , Transgender, lesbians ministers.
            (c) the faithful remnants and persecuted saints in Adonai Yeshua HaMoshiac / Lord Jesus Christ, Revelation 13:7 , Dani’EL 7 : 21.
            (d) the Quakers from Jupiter.

            There is no single Biblical reference to buttress pretribulation rapture view. I used to be a pretribber, until the Lord showed me that this is not, through His Holy Word. We all make mistakes. It is not the mistake that is the problem, but the problem is to insist on what is not in the word of God, and say it is there. When that happens it is not excusable, and it becomes a major sin that will lead into delusional judgment comes upon those rejecting the truth they once professed to believe, 2 Thessalonians 2 : 10-12.

            And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
            And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie (the lie).
            That they all might be damned who believe not the truth, but had pleasure in ununrighteousness.

            The rapture according to the the scripture is post tribulation, Matthew 24 : 29-31, Revelation 6:12-17.

            Immediately after tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of Heavens shall be shajen: and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

            Revelation 6:12-17

            And I beheld when He had opened the sixth seal, and, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood.
            And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she shaken of a mighty wind.
            And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
            And the kings of the earth , and great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bond-man, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
            And said to the mountains and rocks, fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
            For the great day of His wrath is come, who shall be able to stand?

            Difference between the Great Tribulation and The Wrath of God!

            1 Thessalonians 5 : 9-10
            For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by Lord Jesus Christ , who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.

            Tribulation is time God’s permits Satan Incarnate , to try His Saints in Christ / Messiah, like He permitted Satan to try His servant Job 1:6-10. The Great Tribulation is time God allowed Satan, in the second half of the seven years, to persecute the saints in Christ /Messiah, Revelation 13:7,
            “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints , and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues , and nations. 8. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not wwritten in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9. If any man have an ear, let him hear.

            The Wrath of God will fall upon the wicked, but before His wrath Falls, the saints are removed from God’s wrath before He pours out His wrath on those who worshipped the beast and have the mark of the beast or his image or the number.
            Note only those whose name are written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world will not worship the beast. And what is the consequence for defying the beast if your name is written in the Lamb’s book of life, persecution and Martyrdom .
            God will be with His Saints even in this trial, His grace.

          • Reginald

            Ron , Please there is nothing to apologise. For I was not offended. You were seeking for clarification, which I have clarified.

            Bless you

    • Leonard

      Oh-Oh. Looks like we’ve got ANOTHER Emery…

    • MICHAEL

      Watchman,
      Since I’m trying to learn, would you be kind enough to answer some simple questions? Thanks.
      1. What do you mean by “the teachings of THE ENTIRETY of the Bible?”
      2. What are the sequence of events in 113 days (Oct. 2, 2016?) after the tribulation ends?
      3. Who are the ELECT?
      4. If the tribulation is almost over (113 days), who is THE MAN OF SIN, SON OF PERDITION and THAT WICKED in 2 Thess. 2:3-8? Clearly, he has been revealed.
      5. Could you please lead me to several Bible chapters which describe, in detail, the events of the great tribulation?
      6. Does Christ return in 113 days also?

      Thanks for your guidance on these matters.

      • Michael, I’d be happy to answer your questions:

        When I use the term bible I mean the 1611 KJV of the Bible. Nothing else will do. Many people claiming to be true followers of Christ conveniently neglect or dismiss certain teachings in the Bible which still apply to today. This is because they are lacking in total honesty and integrity and are not genuinely of the truth. YHWH, the God of the Bible, does not welcome or appreciate anyone playing fat and loose with His precepts, testimonies and commandments. We are to fear God and keep His commandments – all of them, according to both Solomon at Ecclesiastes 12:13 and Christ at John 14:15. So when I use the term ENTIRETY of the Bible I am referring to the whole thing from start to finish. Not a subset of the Bible.
        According to Matthew 24 and Revelation 19, the sequence of events after the great tribulation ends on October 2 is laid out for us in scripture, in this order: 1) Matthew 24:29-31, 2) Revelation 19:7-9, 3) Revelation 19:11-16. In a nutshell, Daniel 12:11-12 tell us that right after the great tribulation we are now in ends on October 2, there will be a 45 window of time within which the first two of these three prophecies must be fulfilled with hair-splitting accuracy (1,335 days – 1,290 days = 45 days). Right after October 2, Matthew 24:29 tells us that the four celestial events described in this verse must occur. Then the second coming of Christ to gather the ELECT to Himself follows, as described in Matthew 24:30-31. Finally we know that the marriage supper of the Lamb in heaven has be be concluded before the end of this 45 day window of time, thanks to the words of Daniel 12:12. This event and the blessing is prophesied in Revelation 19:7-9. Immediately after November 16, the Lamb of God returns to tread the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of almighty God upon everyone else left behind in the gathering that preceded it. This is described in summary fashion in Revelation 19:11-16, but is described in further detail in Revelation Chapters 8-10 and 15-16, and continuing in Revelation 19:17-21 and Chapter 20.
        The ELECT are God’s chosen or set-apart ones whom God chose as His vessels of honor (see Romans 9:21-23 for more explanation of this) since before the world began, and wrote our names in the Lamb’s book of life so that some day during our lives, at a time and in a manner of god’s choosing and initiative, He would put His Holy Spirit in us, orchestrate events so that we would hear the whole gospel preached, thanks to His Holy Spirit in us we will believe it and thus become one of God’s born again adopted sons or daughters in the living God through faith (trust) in His son Yahushua (Christ). The simple truth that the Bible teaches is that He plays favorites and has predestinated everything. Those who are of the non-elect hate to hear this. In fact they cannot hear it because God has blinded their eyes and closed their ears to His truths. But this is what the Bible clearly says and means. The Khazar impostors posing as Jews (the “jews”) have claimed for centuries that they are God’s chosen people. Nothing could be further from the truth! They are the exact opposite of this, which boggles most people’s minds. Here’s proof of this:

        “We Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer… We are his chosen people.” — Harold Rosenthal from “The Hidden Tyranny” (1976). Lucifer and Satan are one and the same. There is a long concealed history of just who those claiming to be Jews, but are not, really are. It’s quite a story.

        That MAN OF SIN, THE SON OF PERDITION is a symbol for the synagogue of Satan of Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, who are the Khazar impostors of the Babylonian Talmud who are posing as Jews (the “jews”). You may have noticed that the “jews” own America lock, stock and barrel. They hijacked America decades ago in their Khazar “jewish” Illuminati Freemason Zionist global elite conspiracy of Satan worshippers. They secretly ad literally practice the occult to gain demon spirit powers over the rest of us. Very good question.
        The Bible chapters which refer to the great tribulation most clearly are scattered throughout the Bible so that only the most diligent seeker of God and His ways will find them and come to thoroughly grasp their meaning and importance. God delights in concealing His truths from mankind and then revealing His truths to His most diligent, born again elect sons and daughters. I am one of them. The best passage is in Matthew 24:15-28. The entirety of Daniel 12 and Revelation Chapter 7, especially verse 14, but you’ll need to read the rest of that chapter to get the full context.
        No, Christ does not return in 113 (now 112 days) also. Matthew 24:36 tells us that no man knows the day or the hour (of Christ’s second coming). I am no exception to this. But I now can deduce the 45 day window of time within which it simply HAS to occur in former for end times prophecy to be fulfilled perfectly, as all prophecy is fulfilled, when it is fulfilled. The Bible is no more specific than this, so I can’t be any more specific either. Here’s how I get to the great tribulation ending on October 2, and the blessing date of Daniel 12:12 and Revelation 19:9 occurring on November 16:

        On March 22, 2013, Barack Obama, the “Obama-nation,” (a deliberate play on words by the global elites of the occult, who are his handlers) stood in the grotto underneath the Church of Nativity in Bethlehem, purported to be the birthplace of Christ (hence, a holy place), thus fulfilling, both literally and metaphorically, the prophecy of Matthew 24:15, which verse 21 of that Chapter tells us signal the start date of the great tribulation. The clues for how long it lasts and what comes next are found at Daniel 12:11-12. Now it’s just a matter of simple math to deduce when the great tribulation ends, as follows:

        March 22, 2013 + 1,290 days (from Daniel 12:11) = October 2, 2016, the end of the great tribulation.

        March 22, 2013, + 1,335 days (from Daniel 12:12) = November 16, 2016, the blessing date foretold in Daniel 12:12 and Revelation 19:9)

        I sincerely hope this edifies you. Many here on this site will scoff at my teachings. It doesn’t matter. It’s the truth and God has blessed me to reveal these things to me so that I might share them with others, yourself included. Satan is desperate to suppress and silence these truths any way he can. But he has already lost and he knows it. His followers are trying to throw up diversions to try to distract and discredit these truths. They are not mine. They are God’s. I’m merely His faithful messenger and narrator of His word. So retrace my steps here. Don’t take my word on any of this. Do your own homework. And if you find anything in error in my analysis, please share it with me so I might correct any errors I might have inadvertently committed.

        Thank you for your humble, teachable questions. They were very good ones. God obviously inspired them in you.

        Finally, if you want further details on this and a whole lot more, you can find them explained in my book, “Making Sense Out of a World Gone Mad: A Roadmap for God’s Elect Living in the Final Days of the End Times.” From your excellent questions, I would have to surmise that you are one of us: one of the elect. My book explains further the telltale signs of the elect: a love for the truth and a genuine sacrificial love for your fellow man. I suspect you have both.

        • Charles Maurer

          Why no mention of the Vatican?

          • How is that relevant to Michael’s questions he posed above? I’m not here to address all the questions in the universe. Only to respond to his respectful questions as honestly and forthrightly as I am able.

          • Dan

            Boy you are quite the Dandy aren’t you Watchman. I say that because you’ve already expressed it yourself in your book.

            I don’t want you to misunderstand as my intentions are both friendly and somewhat interested. Beyond all else I am thankful

            you are no longer atheist and your bible interpretations are at the very least earnest and sincere.

            Please forgive me if I miss quote something as my power went out last nite and all I’m going on is from what I wrote down last nite.

            Watchman, from what I read I sense a lot of pain in your life which may be part of the reason for the statement” In contrast almost every person I have ever known in my life with a few exceptions has proven to be untrustworthy and a liar .”

            Watchman, this sentiment ; your inability to trust ; comes up again and again in the sample given with your book .

            You make the statements ” In fact the bible teaches that most will not experience such a relationship with GOD and you say the

            vast majority of humanity are composed of GOD’s non-elect. Where do you get this from in scripture?

            You say GOD created spirit beings which exist to oppose and afflict mankind in the form of the devil and demons and why

            would GOD do this? Because he wants to refine and test each one of his chosen people to build their perseverance.

            Surely Watchman you should know that statement is false because Lucifer was one of GOD’s most loved angels and in fact

            all demons were once angels before the fall. Nowhere in the bible does it say what you have described. In fact the bible if

            I recall correctly is what GOD has given us to refine ourselves yet even that will not do as it is the belief in the gospel that is

            needed for our salvation and I would hope the spread of the gospel gained more than just a few of us.

            You state that Obama is the AC without any reasons other than he is the AC and because he stood in the birthplace of Jesus

            this is the abomination of desolation. That’s it ! That’s your proof. When did Ovomit tell us to worship him ? Where is

            the temple and when will the animal sacrifices commence?

            Watchman these are but a few holes in your prophesy. You claim you are a prophet in your book and state we only have

            111 days left to end the tribulation which we are presently in. Do you realize how shocking that statement is?

            I don’t mean shocking in that I’m fearful but rather the belief that we only have until October makes me think your

            in a manic state. It makes me think you haven’t even read the book of revelation .

            What’s more telling Watchman is after the power went on again for me this morning and after checking the responses to your posts

            there are really none. Which leads me to believe people are ignoring you.

            Watchman, after the 111 day pass by without anything happening; I don’t want you to lose heart and I want you to realize what I

            know which is more important than you being right. You have chosen to believe in the gospel and for that you will always

            have the salvation you seek even when you’re wrong.

            Brother I pray you seek humility before you seek prophesy.

            Blessings to you

        • Blood of the Lamb

          Watchman-

          You are not even close. God does not play favorites, and “is no respecter of persons”. God is His foreknowledge KNEW those who would seek Him and love Him and abide in Him, and for them he predestined an eternity of blessing. “For God so loved the world (the whole world) that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever should believe in Him would not perish but have life everlasting”. Most people reject Him, His love, and live only for themselves. A true Christian models his life after Christ’s, who never once sought his own benefit, but poured himself out in works of love and teaching for his fellow man. Do you live for others or for your own self?

          This is not the great tribulation, my brother. You have been deceived. The great tribulation is the nuclear winter in the aftermath of global WWIII, which if it did not end would cause all life to perish for lack of food due to the sunlight being obscured by ash and smoke. When does 1/3 of the earth get burned in your view, and the third of the sea die? This is certainly not the tribulation that causes all people on earth to tremble in fear and seek death, which does not come. Where is the mark of the beast that all must have to buy or sell? Not here either because my cash still works for now. Read the books of Revelation and Daniel again. In the next few years we will see nuclear war, nuclear winter, and the 200 million man army of the East (China) roll through the Middle East after the four dams (angels) of the Euphrates are closed, preventing water from flowing to the countries downstream.

          I could go on and on and on

          • Ron

            Yes we are not there yet and we who are washed in The Blood of The Lamb of God will not be here for it.

  • johnjim

    Thank you Geoffrey for taking the time to post these informative Bible studies. Especially since you also have a dedicated street ministry. I’m sure that tropical storm didn’t stop you either!

  • historyscoper

    The Jehovah’s Wtilesses are a sad mind control cult that looks for societal failures to recruit, offering them a family that never judges them, as long as they never think for themselves and mechanically do what they’re told. Their sick view of Jesus totally removes his suffering from the equation, and he’s often portayed as a cousin to the Marlboro Man, hanging on a STAKE (not a cross) with fresh makeup applied by the cameraman 🙂 Jesus is just a punch line for the JEHOVAH’s witlesses, a bizarre attempt at being Jews and Christians at the same time. Actually, they’re a Freemason-run scam, don’t fall for it. http://jehovahswitless.weebly.com

  • Larry/vietnamvet1971

    well this should get a Big Response from our JW friends.

    • Ron

      Amen Larry!

  • Dan

    Thanks Geoff. I was just thinking we haven’t seen enough of emery .

    • Lol, he may show up here but probably not. If he does, he will issue the standard “our views have been misrepresented”, and then go to a story on Donald Trump to discuss JW doctrine, lol!

      • Ron

        LOL! LOL! you know them better than they do themselves.

        God Bless!

    • Ron

      Dan The Tribulation doesn’t start until Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to ceasetoo, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

      So I don’t see how what’s his name can claim we only have 111 days left of the Tribulation to begin with?

      Boy he needs to go back and restudy The Bible ( maybe saved )

      God Bless You Dan!

      • Dan

        :Yes, Ron there are holes in watchman’s prophesy to say the least. If watchman is the intellectual I think he is he may suffer from what I

        have seen so many times before and that being a lack of humility.

        Here is someone who has admitted to being atheist for sometime and now he is a prophet and one of GOD’s elect. In his book he states that

        most everyone he has ever met was untrustworthy and a liar and includes that most of humanity will be condemned to hell.

        However, I feel after the 109 days have past Watchman will have a choice at the humility I speak of .

        GOD gives us choices and I would pray that Watchman returns to the gospel and also remember Jesus told us to love GOD and to love

        each other. Watchman like so many; does not realize GOD would not lose one of us but because it is his will to give us a choice

        he knows he will lose some of us.

        Blessings

        • Ron

          Amen Dan!

  • JWs are definitely the most faithful heretics I’ve seen.

    • Ron

      Brain washed Jimmy is more like it, isn’t that what they do in Cults?

      God Bless You Jimmy!

    • Dave

      JWs love other JWs “conditionally”. In other words, as long as you don’t question their organization, and avoid “independent thinking”, they “love” you. However, reading or listening to anything that exposes their deceptive teachings and practices will get you “disfellowshipped” (excommunicated), totally “shunned” as if you were dead. Doesn’t matter if it’s a parent, child, employer, employee, sibling, neighbor, or best friend. Conditional love is not love at all! People look at the Jonestown massacre and it gets all the publicity because all those victims were in the same physical location. JW organization has thousands of times more bloodguilt than Jim Jones and People’s Temple. It’s just that the victims are spread out worldwide and occurring over decades of time that shields these from public awareness. The shunning has led thousands committing suicide. Refusing blood transfusions and at one time, organ transplants, has led to thousands of more deaths. Their perverted version of the Bible has deceived millions and potentially will result in condemning them to hell, because it teaches that Jesus’ shed blood on the upright pole (they don’t believe in the cross) was not enough to save us……works are also required of us. By the way, the only “bibles” that translate like the New World Translation are either by other cultists, e.g. Benjamin Wilson’s Emphatic Diaglott, or outright occultists like Johannes Greber’s version. And how many dates concerning the “end of the world” JW-style failed to occur? Why, ALL OF THEM! The last of which was 1975. All these dates according to them came from “God Himself, using His only visible organization on earth. Thus, it seems their god lied. Their answer to that? “The light keeps getting brighter”. Try to question all those lies and see where it gets you! I’ve never seen people so uneducated, yet so proud and condescending as JWs. And the reason they can talk about their beliefs so fluently (not all can) is they keep getting the same nonsense drilled into them nonstop.

      • Ron

        I believe their whole doctrine is set up so they welcome the AC with open arms IMVHO!

        God Bless You Dave!

  • Michelle

    My mom isn’t a JW [she was never baptized] but she does believe some of their doctrines. Can you please pray Jesus shows her the truth? She strongly believes Jesus is Michael and refuses to believe otherwise. She won’t pick up a Bible. She just takes the JWs’ word for it. The JWs don’t come around anymore but she still clings to their teachings.

    Can you also pray for JWs Sarah,Lizzie,Bill and Lynda? They need Jesus,too.

    And can you please pray for my grandpa? When we went to clean out his aprt. [he is now in a nursing home] I found JW material. He needs Jesus,too.

  • Amen Geoffrey, I haven’t heard these teachings for over 30 years now while I studied in street ministry with a man holding 22 years in seminary! I was pleasantly surprised to see this post, you are spot on in your assessment and teaching! Most would be hard pressed to get the average JW to confess this truth (perhaps many are deceived) but the leadership knows full well that they don’t believe Christ was totally a “physical man” (without sin) & totally God. Thank you so very much for bringing this to light in this article!

    • You’re welcome, brother, so glad it’s a blessing to you!

  • Jews are the responsibility for stand before the Sanhedrin- John 18:22 one of the officers who standing by gave Jesus a slap in the face and said; “Is that the way you answer the chief priest? -(Jewish priest ). They are no part of the world – John 17:16. And JW no part of the world 666 & the world hates you- John 15:19, and the modern Jewish guilty to the God Almighty-Jehovah…

    • Terri

      Cite reference of what Roman guard said. That is NOWHERE in the bible. Plus Jesus was born, lived died and rose again as a Jew. If God felt the way you say about the Jewish people he NEVER would have had Jesus born a Jew. also Jesus came to the Jews first and he already knew He was going to be crucified. If Jews no longer God’s chosen people then he lied as nowhere in the Bible does it state the Jews are no longer the chosen people.\ of God

      • Ron

        Amen Terri! I guess some people like calling God a Liar sad to say!

        God Bless You!

      • Blood of the Lamb

        The jews were chosen by God to be the messengers of salvation, and the bloodline that would bring in the Messiah. That is what they were “chosen” for, nothing more. They were to separate themselves from the rest of the world, and they did. Christ went first to the Jews, but they (mostly) rejected Him, and His message went then to the Gentiles- Thanks be to God for that! Read Paul’s letters in the NT again- there is neither gentile nor Jew, but only children OF THE FAITH. By faith was Abraham blessed, by faith we are saved by the grace of God, and without faith there is no pleasing God. Only those who put their faith in God, and in the faith of Jesus Christ and His atoning work on the cross are heirs to the new covenant. The old Abrahamic covenant has passed away (read Galatians and Hebrews) and a new, superior covenant has been ushered in.

        • Ron

          True so very True!

  • Ron

    Use The test for False Prophets johnjim!

    Read to them if they come to your house again….

    1 John 4:1-3 Beloved, believe not every spirit,

    but try the spirits whether they are of God:

    because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

    Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

    And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:

    and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    After you read this to them make your confession word for word……..

    “I Confess That Jesus Christ Is Come In The Flesh”

    now let me hear your confession……

    They will not be able to say anything!

    Well if they use the excuse to not say anything that they are no prophets and this Scripture doesn’t apply to them quote the fact that

    Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

    So The Testimony of Jesus Christ is The Spirit of Prophecy and they are bringing a false Gospel which cannot save anyone makes them

    false Prophets!

    2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

    Galatians 1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

    Trust God’s word it works and them just saying yes to your question “IS NOT A CONFESSION”

    God Bless You JohnJim!

    • johnjim

      Thank you for those verses, Brother Ron. Will put them to prayer and have them ready for next time.

      • Ron

        Your very much welcome, God gave us this for our protection and to show the state of those who are proclaiming a different Gospel that they

        are in fact wrong and do not know God. Some may come out of JW’s because of this proving them wrong.

        God Bless You Brother johnjim!

  • JCs

    Great post- I never have seen that video but must say it is way off- But made me wonder when them disasters hit if we will be targeted- Darpa- Harpa etc- But the Lord said, He be with us through waters and the fire- His will be done- IJNA They can’t kill what already Lives for ever- I once was shown that and its just like walking from one room into the other-

    But wanted to say to Michelle am praying and agreeing with you on your family- And Loved ones- I know what that is like i studied with them for years- And i had lost family and friends that God delivered- Everyone of my family members- Took 10 years But He did it- lol He did His part- Keep your faith get a KJB if don’t have one and read and share be the bible to them- And share what the devils done to mislead and why so many translations and religions and evan occults- Most of all Why God so Loved the world- why He gave us Jesus- Only one who can redeem us back from out of the hands from what this devil has done- When he was the one behind the fall of adam and eve and all us humanity- When he tried to take our Eternity with God and is yet not finished-

    Jesus was before Abraham- Jesus was before man- Jesus was at the creation- Jesus created all things- (((((( Jehovah witness came many years later after Jesus )))) ?

    That why it is man made and is a lie- Why so many religions- Why so many occults- Satan doesn’t want anyone to know Truth- Nor make it to heaven- Hell was not a place originally prepared for us but them- Satan and the fallen angels- These evil spirits for doing all this-

    Satan is at work and soon coming in for the kill- Tell her we in season of wars and runors of war- Telll her going to be war and that will be chaos before the false peace that is coming- To watch Trump he will befriend Isreal- ( I believe he is going to be president ) But don’t know will have to wait and see- Through peace they going to destroy many- One who gets a wound to his head and brought back and the people see the false prophet on scene and miracles start happening and he makes way for the anti christ- The world will need peace first 3 1/2 years a false peace is coming- Many will follow after him saying who is like unto the beast who can make war against him- Be cause he does come back from dead and comes up Victorious against the enemies and brings this Peace that the world be in on it- All a set up- Isreal is going to be surrounded and attack- The anti christ is going to confirm a 7 year covenant with many and that in middle is going to break it- And come in for his kill written about in Revelation 13- When he will sit in that Temple as he said one day he do-

    https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Isaiah-14-9_14-15/

    When he will desecrate it and take Jerusalem and then the world- Tell her peoples hearts are going to fail them from fear of them things coming upon this earth-

    Not sharing all this to scare you or them but if you can prophecy what the word says before it happens it may open there eyes-

    Gods will be done IJNA Don’t give praying daily and believing for them- May the Lord save and deliver each IJNA

  • JCs

    Led to come back sorry- Tell her the inspired word of God came from the original tongue- Aramaic and Hebrew is Old Testament and Greek New and that the Jehovah witness have there own bible?

    As they have changed through out the years- Tell her God doesn’t work like that- Ones He choose to write was it- From original tongue ( Language ) Then can say it was translated out of it and KJB is most acurate- They didn’t change doctrine or the writing just translated- Anyone who adds to the word bible says will have these plques over them- Any one who takes out will have there name taken out of the Lambs book of Life- Say to her why are they doing that then? https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Adding-To-The-Bible/

    Tell her Jehovah witness was way after Jesus- Thousands years- After GB

  • They’ve made prophecies that didn’t come true. Total reversal of various positions: chess, sports, alcohol, blood (continues to change) worship of Jesus, celebrating Christmas and birthdays, etc.

    “Judge” Rutherford was an attorney and not a judge. That was simply a nickname. Door to door witnessing was introduced by Rutherford, who happens to have put himself through school by… get this… selling books door to door. It was also under his watch that the alcohol doctrine changed to allow drinking. Reportedly he was quite the drinker.

    Do some research on “Theocratic Warfare”. You will find that JW’s can deceive you about their teachings if they feel like you don’t deserve the truth.

    When sharing with them, it is important that you assume the role of “student” and not “teacher”. Also, try to get contact information of the folks who come to your door, and only witness to them one on one.

    • Dave

      Yes, the JWs practice “theocratic strategy” which allows them to outright lie if it furthers their cause. Sounds familiar, doesn’t it? That’s right…..the Muslims practice “taqiyah”, their name for the same thing! Birds of a feather, folks.

    • Ron

      JW’s a False Religion full of False Prophets

  • KIM

    It is amazing how easily people are led away from their Salvation thru Jesus the Christ! Abraham Lincoln never belonged to ANY church for this exact reason. When people asked Abraham Lincoln why he never joined a church, his response was that when he sees a church where the only requirement to join it is to have “faith in the Almighty” he would then join that church. Abraham Lincoln was raised on the true Holy Bible (KJV) and every step he took in life was guided by God Almighty. If you read the Lincolns Gettysburg Address the Lord was glorified in every word of that speech:

    Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

    Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

    But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

  • Tanya

    Thank you for bringing attention to this topic. We must pray earnestly at this time for these one’s that are caught up in the depths of the lie that is the Jehovah’s Witness organization. Many are kind, genuine people caught up in this lie of Satan.
    I myself was brought up a JW and left at the age of 23. It took me 13 years to dare pick up a bible again. I discovered that Jesus was indeed God, having been deceived my whole life from the real Truth. I am now a born again believer.
    In the past year my husband was also saved, as was my mother, also an ex-Jehovah’s Witness. My mother and father in law have also left the JW’s in the past few months and are in the process of learning the real truth.
    Please pray for these people. The brainwashing is severe, but with God nothing is impossible. Please witness to them any chance you get. You never know that you may plant a seed. The Holy Spirit can lead these one’s to the Truth.

    • Thank you Tanya. I needed to hear that. Many times I’ve been tempted to give up on them and consider them “accursed”. The deception is simply overwhelming to me.

    • Ron

      So True Tanya!

      God Bless You!

  • Anyone who sets a date is a false prophet…

    More End Time News At:
    http://www.shininginthedark.com/?page_id=9570

  • As far as Johannes Greber goes, this was published in The Watchtower back in April 1983, “This translation was used occasionally in support of renderings of Matthew 27:52, 53 and John 1:1, as given in the New World Translation and other authoritative Bible versions. But as indicated in a foreword to the 1980 edition of The New Testament by Johannes Greber, this translator relied on “God’s Spirit World” to clarify for him how he should translate difficult passages. It is stated: “His wife, a medium of God’s Spiritworld was often instrumental in conveying the correct answers from God’s Messengers to Pastor Greber.” The Watchtower has deemed it improper to make use of a translation that has such a close rapport with spiritism. (Deuteronomy 18:10-12) The scholarship that forms the basis for the rendering of the above-cited texts in the New World Translation is sound and for this reason does not depend at all on Greber’s translation for authority. Nothing is lost, therefore, by ceasing to use his New Testament””

  • DeniseC

    Test. My comments won’t post on the newest articles…

  • TWR

    Blind VS Blind

    This is like watching two blind men fighting over who takes the lead across a busy intersection. Taze Russell further perverted what was already perverted. The Hebrew faith was never a religion. It was a culture. Christianity is not the Hebrew faith. I have shot legitimate holes in Christian doctrine. Christians cling to their corrupt faith just like witnesses. You can’t get a hard core Christian to have an objective conversation.

  • Ron

    You have shot no holes in our faith.

    You need to ask you “god” for forgiveness” for boasting” A person is only supposed to boast in God. God Hates pride!

    You are full of yourself as stated by yourself in this post.

    Romans 2:21-22 Thou therefore which teachest another,

    teachest thou not thyself?

    thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?

    Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery?

    thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?

    So the very things you are trying to accuse us of, YOU are the one WHO IS GUILTY OF DOING THEM

    And your statement to equate us Christians to JW’s (Christians cling to their corrupt faith just like witnesses.)

    will cost you dearly at The Great White Throne Judgment. You drink up iniquity like water every time you open your foolish mouth!

    MAY THE LORD SEVERELY REBUKE YOU TWR!

  • Hmm, I wonder why our resident JW, Emery, has not stopped by to defend his JW doctrine?

    • Ron

      You know Geoffrey when you first posted this at first I thought they would show up immediately, but then The Lord revealed it to me.

      They know they can’t find new converts at something that is exposing there False Prophet Religion so they are staying at The Rapture one

      in hopes of reeling in a new convert. They most certainly know no new converts will be found here and ex JW’s will be a plenty!

      And aplenty the ex-JW’s are here Praise The Lord!

      God Bless You Geoffrey I hope you are still upset with me.

  • Dan

    Watchman, do you really not see how shameless you are being in selling your book? Prophesies that have been fulfilled but we need to buy

    your book to see what they are. You even claim the writing of your book is a fulfillment of one of those prophecies ; are you manic ?

    GOD, will not be mocked Watchman.

    Your pride and vanity is all over your books sample and on your website and yet you do not realize it.

    http://www.awatchmanonthewall.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/2015-04-15-Fulfilled-Prophecies1.pdf

  • Ron

    Amen to that Dan!

    God Bless You Bro I pray you’re having a good day!

    • Dan

      Ron, it seems our friend WM is not so quick to challenge us. No, I believe WM fancies himself a prophet so he’s probably

      praying for guidance. The only problem is the guidance he is looking for is what we are giving. How ironic is that? Still I consider him a

      brother or sister as I believe he at the very least believes in the gospel. He is literally the prodigal son and I welcome him. GOD is in control

      and I trust him. His idea of October I have to admit would be nice as I would love to join all of you sooner than later at the feast of the lamb.

  • Ron

    Amen Dan, maybe he will be more receptive to our wisdom than the “Unholy Trinity” we have on NTEB.

    God Bless You Dan You have a pure heart and very kind and good one at that!

    • Dan

      The reason for my link is to show there may be a man who is about to step out of the shadows

      proclaiming to be the messiah but of course we know this will not be the messiah. If I’m hearing my spirit right this man along with the

      8th Imam or whoever it is the Muslims are waiting for ; will not only appear but also will allow for the next temple to be built in Jerusalem.

      However, I’m not so sure as war seems so imminent but maybe the timing is perfect and these two will also bring the US, China, Iran, and

      Russia together . The climate is a perfect storm for a savior albeit a false one. Of course the pope may be in this mix somehow too.

      http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/69821/rabbi-kanievsky-consoles-grieving-father-messiah-already/?utm_source=Breaking+Israel+News&utm_campaign=b5d4db17b6-BIN_morning_6_16&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b6d3627f72-b5d4db17b6-86633481#WMCltELGwEL4gq3J.97

      • Ron

        Thanks Dan I will check it out, but the O looks like he might be him, if not he will be his second hand man next to the false prophet prophet.

        • Dan

          Ron , who’s the O Obama? If so I agree Ovomit has made a mess out of our country but I believe it is because of his ideology more than

          Satan. He just doesn’t fit. However, I did find someone on youtube(a lady) but I cannot remember her name. This person gave some

          pretty good explanations which indicated Obama might be the AC. I only wish I’d kept the bookmark.

          When I posted the link I accidently posted to you because for some reason there was no other space to post.'

          As you already know this site can be a bit tricky..

          GOD bless brother Ron!

          • Ron

            What I mean Dan is if Obama is not The AC then he will be right behind the False Prophet and the Real AC basically the 4th

            man which is just outside the unholy trinity Satan, AC, FP, then Obama the enforcer. The reason he is mad is God has tied their hands

            for now Gun confiscation.

            I kept your post Dan in my e-mail in case you want it again.

            God Bless You Dan!

  • Larry/vietnamvet1971

    For God has not appointed us to wrath but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 5:9

    If you think about this both logically and theologically and look at this verse in view of the Rapture. The Lord has a list of those who will be resurrected and those who will be raptured.
    The severity of the 70th week of Daniel will be so severe, that for those destined to be caught up should they enter into the time of God’s wrath they would be in great danger of shifting from the raptured list to the resurrected list.

    The result being there would be none alive to be raptured, thus defeating the truth and the purpose of scripture. The Greek word harpazo means to snatch to seize, to take by sudden force.
    This suggests that the rapture will be at a time when the safety of those who will be caught up is in danger of them not being caught up. This is because of greatness of God’s wrath coming that the rapture is called for, for such a time.

    God’s wrath is called for, for such a time that the world has forsaken the principles of God to take upon itself it’s own principles that are blatant disregard to God and his holy character
    Two men knew of such a time Noah and Lot. Just as they were spared, so to will God spare save those who keep themselves dedicated to God and his word.

    He that believes the son has everlasting life, he that believes not the son shall not see life; but the wrath of God remains on him.
    For God has not appointed us to remain here at his appointed time of his wrath, but to obtain to receive salvation deliverance from such wrath by our Lord Jesus Christ.
    The appointed time of his wrath is Yom Teruah, the day of alarm which begins the time of Jacob’s trouble and not the Church. Zephaniah 1:14-16

    Yom Teruah trouble for Israel deliverance for the Church.

    • Ron

      Larry tell that to Reginald!

    • Dan

      @ Ron , I’m slow witted sometimes Ron so you’ll have to help me.
      I kept your post Dan in my e-mail in case you want it again.(what does that mean).

      I don’t know where Obama fits into prophesy but I’m starting to think he along with the democrats may be the reason America is not mentioned

      in Revelation. I wouldn’t be surprised if we are annihilated from a massive 1st strike.

      • Ron

        Dan 1 out of 4 will die in the first 4 Seals. But North and South America will be totally wiped out when a CME from the sun hits Earth

        this will be the very first Trumpet and we will receive the same as Sodom and Gomorrah for all the debauchery and innocent blood

        we have shed. North and South America combined contains 1/3 of all the world’s trees. The residual heat from that CME will take out all

        the green grass of the world. Revelation will be a fearful time.

        God Bless You Dan!

        • Emery

          Why cannot you just stick with what the scriptures say? There is not ONE WORD in them about North or South America, CME’s, or any of your other postulations. You’re rationalizing God’s word to fit your own thoughts, rather than relying on God Himself to inform us.

          • Ron

            Why don’t you study the Bible Emery? It is very apparent you don’t because God uses His Creation to punish mankind including

            using mankind to punish mankind. What did God do on the 7th day of Creation????? He Rested from all His Work and even now He

            is resting from “Creation” and all that will set things in motion in Revelation were done at the very beginning of Creation.

            It is also obvious you do not think on your own. Read the 7th Trumpet! Back in 2012 a CME “so large” hit exactly on Earth’s Orbit

            (now keep in mind the sun can emit CME’s in a million DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS) missing us by one week ( can you see the

            connection or are you that blind) yet it was directly on our orbital path and had it hit us “THE EARTH WOULD NO LONGER EXIST”

            They didn’t understand CME’s in John’s day so if you are that low of intelligence to not understand then don’t even open your mouth!

            A CME is Liquid fire if it hits our atmosphere it will scroll it back and the moisture will evaporate off into space where it will instantly

            freeze and these frozen chunks of ice will fall back to Earth and

            Revelation 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood,

            and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

            You need alot of heat to burn up 1/3 of the trees and a CME of a certain size will do it and the residual heat will burn all

            the green grass on the planet. Go look up this giant CME that missed Earth in 2012.

  • Ron

    I thought you were commenting about not remembering where you posted something about the AC with a link and I was merely stating that

    when your post here came to my e-mail I kept it so I could go to the link you posted later. I’m slow too you aren’t the only one so if you can’t

    remember where that one is at I still have it in my e-mail. I probably misunderstood you.

    God Bless You Dan Good Night!

    • Dan

      Yes I understand you now. No, the link you saved is not the link I was talking about concerning the AC.

  • Maria

    The video is a lie along with Jehovah Witnesses doctrine.

  • JWs deny the deity of Christ Jesus. They also deny the KJV as a valid translation of the bible, mostly because the KJV is clear in several places that Christ Jesus is God. So, they won’t regard your translation as valid.

    If you want to help a JW, you must utilize his/her source of the word. You will need a New World Translation, or a KJV Sword bible, which shows the names of God in the OT. For instance, the KJV Sword bible does show the “Lord your God” as “Jehovah your Elohim.” It is a fantastic edition of the KJV. It uses words like “gives” instead of “giveth”, yet maintains the integrity of the 1611KJV.

    Back to the topic. In order to help a JW, you must go at it from where they stand. Arguing from the KJV won’t help.

    The key to helping them lies in the correlation between Heb 1:8-12 and Psalm 102:25-27. Here is the NWT translation of both.

    NWT Hebrews 1:8 But about the Son, he (God) says: “God is your throne+ forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.* 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”+

    10 And: “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”+ (this cross references to Psalm 102:25-27)

    NWT 102:1 O Jehovah, hear my prayer;+ Let my cry for help reach you.+ (the prayer is addressing Jehovah, yes?)
    102:12 But you remain forever, O Jehovah,+ And your fame* will endure for all generations.+ (still addressing Jehovah, yes?)
    102:19 For he looks down from his holy height,+ From the heavens Jehovah views the earth, (still addressing Jehovah, yes?)

    So, you show them that Psalm 102 is addressed to Jehovah, whom they believe is God ONLY, not Jesus. But, when you approach v25-27, we find the quote from Hebrews 1:10-12…BUT, IT’S VERY IMPORTANT YOU SEE IN HEB 1:8, THE WRITER OF HEBREWS SAYS THAT GOD IS ADDRESSING THE SON…and goes on to quote 102:25-27.

    Psalms 102:25 Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth, And the heavens are the work of your hands.
    26 They will perish, but you will remain; Just like a garment they will all wear out. Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away.
    27 But you are the same, and your years will never end.

    Hebrews 1:8 says “about the son, God says….Psalm 102:25-27…that He (Jehovah, as the Son) laid the foundations of the earth…

    This is the key to show a JW that Jehovah is God, and Jehovah is the son, JESUS!

  • Emery

    Geoffrey;
    ALL of what you put into your article, as to what Jehovah’s Witnesses are, do, believe, and teach couldn’t have possibly come from them. It had to have come from second hand, and third hand, false information. To write and publish an article based SOLELY on information that is absolutely, completely, 100% incorrect, isn’t journalism first of all, and isn’t honest, second of all, and is what is called “reviling” in the scriptures, in Galations 5:19-21. It’s a SIN and prevents one from enjoying any of the benefits of the Kingdom of the Heavens. You have CLEARLY engaged in reviling here. Now to put yourself forth as a “bible believer” and then to DISOBEY what is contained in the Bible, is blatantly sinful, wrong, and confusing to your readers. Basically, you either DON’T obey God’s word, or you think parts of it aren’t worth obeying. It MUST be one, or the other. In EITHER CASE, you have sinned greatly Geoffrey.

    • Leonard

      At least Geoffrey didn’t lie about the the King James Bible being corrupted. Only one lying Jehovah’s False Witness has done that. Right, Emroyd?

      • Ron

        Amen Leonard!

        God Bless!

      • Emery

        I wouldn’t know about that Leonard, since I’ve never known of a JW who lied, or was a false witness. They don’t exist. But you seem to like to disparage a screen name, a moniker. NOT A REAL NAME. And you’re the ONLY person I’ve EVER known who worked SO HARD to imitate athlete’s foot. Itchy, annoying, unnecessary, disgusting, and very, very hard to get rid of, JUST LIKE YOU.

        • Ron

          Boy that is the biggest lie of all, let me guess you never sin either do you Emery?

          • Emery

            I’m pretty sure I told you not to write to me because of your constant attacks on God, God’s son, God’s inspired word, and God’s servants. Your constant proving to me that you hate God is not something I want any part of . STOP posting to me.

      • Really? Name calling? Hard to take a person seriously when they are calling names.

      • Emery

        And Leonard, you said “name calling?” What is “Emroyd”? NAME CALLING. And not using my real name either. And saying you try to be athletes foot, IS NOT NAME CALLING. You’re PARANOID, and a twister of things to fit your argument, but you never have a valid argument to begin with. Leonard. And yes, Geoffrey DID lie about the KJV being corrupted. You’re not using what you claim. You claim to use the 1611 KJV Bible. NO YOU DON’T. What YOU use is a dozen and a half MAJOR REVISIONS away from the 1611 version, WHICH CONTAINED THE BOOKS OF THE APOCRYPHA. AND was FILLED with marginal notes REFERRING to the apocrypha. Your KJV has neither of them. Neither is it the Bible the homosexual head of the Church of England, King James the First, created, AS YOU CLAIM. He was not honest, and you’re not honest. You know nothing about the Bible you are using. You take OTHERS’ word for what it is, as you do about EVERYTHING. No independent thinking for YOU Leonard. Seems you’re INCAPABLE of it. Seems you’re incapable of behaving properly as well. Seems also that you are a HUGE hypocrite.

        I am back to completely ignoring ALL of your post Leonard. Post all the name calling and lies you want, but they will go unread by me. You WILL, of course, continue to post them, since your condition prevents you from stopping.

        • Ron

          WHAT A LIAR YOU ARE EMERY, YOU LIE AND LIE AND LIE SOME MORE

          SPOUTING OFF YOUR DUNG:

          EMERY QUOTE:**”You actually ATTACK those who serve and obey God,**

          and who do His ENTIRE will,

          **all day,**

          every day.

          **Something clearly,**

          YOU DO NOT DO.

          **Stop the hypocrisy.”**END QUOTE

          THAT IS THE BIGGEST LIE YOU HAVE SAID AS IF THE WHOLE JEHOVAH WITNESSES ARE PERFECT AND NEVER SIN

          YOU LIE YOU LIE YOU BIG FAT LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          HOW DARE YOU MAKE YOUR FLESHY SELF EQUAL TO GOD, ALL OF YOU IN PERFECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          LIAR LIAR LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          I can write to you anytime I want and don’t give me your lies as you lie to Rick and everyone else on here!!!!!

          MY NAME IS EMERY AND ME MY JW’S ARE AS PERFECT AS GOD WE DON’T SIN! LIAR, LIAR, LIAR

          YOU TOTALLY BLASPHEME GOD BY MAKING SUCH CLAIMS

          1 John 1:8 IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE NO SIN,

          WE DECEIVE OURSELVES, AND THE TRUTH “IS NOT IN US”. THAT IS YOU RIGHT NOW EMERY YOU BIG FAT LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND GOD THE FATHER SEVERELY

          REBUKE YOU EMERY FOR ALL YOUR LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Leonard

          Emroyd, Emroyd, Emroyd! Why are you now lying about King James being a “…practicing homosexual…” He wasn’t. It was a lie concocted by Anthony Weldon. I’d always heard that Charles Taze Russel was a “…practicing homosexual…”–though I NEVER believed that. I always thought that he’d stopped practicing once he got it perfect. I DO own and have begun reading the 1611 version of the King James Bible–including the books of the Apocrypha. So far, the divinity of Jesus isn’t in question. I also own and have read the 1950’s version of the KJV and Jay Green’s Interlinear Bible with the Textus Receptus. You still appear to be lying about the KJV being corrupted. No surprises, there, though. One lying Jehovah’s False Witness is like another. Don’t worry about the “Athlete’s Foot” comparison. I’m not sensitive. Hope you don’t mind my thinking of you as a yeast infection–because you just keep coming back. Of course, you’ll never read this, right? Guess I’ll have what you always need to have–the LAST WORD.

          • Ron

            Go Leonard!

            Here is what Emery had the nerve to say!

            23 JULY 2016 AT 7:27 PM EMERY’S POST

            A BIBLE BELIEVER LOOKS AT THE CULT TEACHINGS OF THE JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES

            http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/bible-believer-looks-cult-teaching-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-1425178

            WHAT A LIAR YOU ARE EMERY, YOU LIE AND LIE AND LIE SOME MORE

            SPOUTING OFF YOUR DUNG:

            EMERY QUOTE:”You actually ATTACK those who serve

            and obey God,

            and who do His ENTIRE will,

            all day, every day.

            Something clearly,

            YOU DO NOT DO.

            Stop the hypocrisy.”:EMERY ENDQUOTE

            THAT IS THE BIGGEST LIE YOU HAVE SAID AS IF THE WHOLE JEHOVAH WITNESSES ARE PERFECT AND NEVER SIN

            YOU LIE YOU LIE YOU BIG FAT LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            HOW DARE YOU MAKE YOUR FLESHY SELF EQUAL TO GOD, ALL OF YOU IN PERFECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            LIAR LIAR LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            MY NAME IS EMERY AND ME MY JW’S ARE AS PERFECT AS GOD WE DON’T SIN! LIAR, LIAR, LIAR

            YOU TOTALLY BLASPHEME GOD BY MAKING SUCH CLAIMS

            1 John 1:8 IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE NO SIN,

            WE DECEIVE OURSELVES, AND THE TRUTH “IS NOT IN US”. THAT IS YOU RIGHT NOW EMERY YOU BIG FAT LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND GOD THE FATHER SEVERELY

            REBUKE YOU EMERY FOR ALL YOUR LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            EMERY QUOTE:”You’re supposed to be God’s servant,

            yet you refuse to do so. You exceed the speed limit.

            Roll through yellow lights, look at pretty women with lust,

            watch bang bang shootem up movies,

            drink probably too much, and many other things God forbids.

            You have no authority to make these false claims

            about God’s servants, or God’s inspired word.

            As I said, it shows your true character,

            and it’s not a good character Rick.

            We all LIVE by what God’s word teaches. You, do not.

            We OBEY all of God’s commands. CLEARLY, you do not.

            We OBEY everything the scriptures teach, clearly you do not.

            We remain no part of the world and clearly, you do not”: EMERY END QUOTE

            HOW MANY PEOPLE SEE EMERY’S HYPOCRISY AND THE
            SAME AS THE SCRIPTURE ABOUT THE PHARISEE AND

            THE PUBLICAN…….

            Luke 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

            Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

            LUKE 18:11 HAS YOUR NAME WRITTEN ALL OVER IT
            EMERY, YOU BIG FAT LYING HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!!!

            Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. ( EMERY BOASTING AGAIN!)

            Luke 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

            Luke 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

            GOD JUSTIFIED THE PUBLICAN AND CONDEMNED THE

            PHARISEE (EMERY)

            YES THESE 5 SCRIPTURES ARE ABOUT YOU EMERY

            CONDEMNING EVERYONE ELSE YOU LYING HYPOCRITE!!!

            Blessings Leonard!

          • Leonard

            Thanks, Brother Ron–I need all the blessings I can get. Blessings to YOU,as well!

  • Emery- “It had to have come from second hand, and third hand, false information.” The majority of WT teachings are 2nd or third hand. Does hat mean that they are also “false”? Do you talk to the people mentioned in WT publications to verify the information? Did the man leading the meeting get it first hand?

    Have you ever heard about the people who left the organization? Why did they leave? The WT gives various reasons. Have you ever told anyone the reasons why people to leave? Now, take a second and think about this… Do you know the people involved, and have you asked they why they left, or are you taking someone else word for the reasons? If you pass on 2nd or 3rd hand without verifying it, isn’t that spreading rumors? Of course it is, but it is done all the time. Pay attention for the spreading of rumors in WT material, and at your Kingdom Hall.

    • Emery

      Rick;
      How would you know if they were second or third hand? YOU WOULDN’T, that’s how. All articles on the scriptures in the Watchtower, ARE SCRIPTURAL.’ The scriptures are not second or third hand. In many cases, yes. And yes.

      I’ve heard about those who BROKE their solemn vow and contract with God, yes. They’re VERY dishonest, if they can make, and then break a contract with GOD THE ALMIGHTY. I wouldn’t trust them, if they’d break their word to Him. And no, and no. No material in the WatchTower magazines are rumors, that’s rediculous and stupid to say such a thing. And no rumors are spread at any Kingdom hall either. That’s even MORE stupid to claim, on your part. VERY stupid. Especially from someone who wasn’t there, or from someone who broke their promise to God, or from someone who never sincerely MADE that promise in the first place.

      Rick, you’re talking about things you don’t know ONE THING ABOUT.

      • “I’ve heard about those who BROKE their solemn vow and contract with God, yes. They’re VERY dishonest, if they can make, and then break a contract with GOD THE ALMIGHTY. I wouldn’t trust them, if they’d break their word to Him. ”

        Re-read what you just wrote, and you will see that you are doing the exact thing that I just mentioned. You heard about the bad apostates, and said “They’re VERY dishonest…” How do you know? Is your judgement based on witnessing their dishonesty, or based on a 2nd hand story (or third hand) passed on at the Kingdom Hall?

        Are you saying that when a JW leaves the organization, they are “dishonest” because they broke their word to Him? What word did they break? If making a covenant to Jehovah is horrible, what about the one they made to God at the Catholic Church (or Methodist, Lutheran, Baptist, etc) before they became a JW? If breaking a “solemn vow and contract with God” is so horrible, why did you allow them to join the Kingdom Hall?

        • Emery

          Why would I want to “read what I just wrote?” I JUST WROTE IT! Yes, all who’ve I’ve counseled over and over, and slowly watched them draw further and further away from God DID break their agreement, promise, contract with God. Rick, you sound like quite the hypocrite. No onoe “joins the Kingdom Hall”. No such thing. You don’t “join” a Kingdom Hall. You’re now being completely rediculous. What word did they break? You must never have even READ the scriptures, if you ask a question like THAT one. You are a hypocrite Rick. I’m sure you vote, show off your new car, brag, look at other women you’re not married to, have sex with women you’re not married to, cheat on time, taxes, sales, tell little white lies, watch entertainment God hates, and a million OTHER things we’re not supposed to do, as God’s word TELLS us these things. And you come and criticize something you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT AT ALL. It really makes you look pretty bad. It shows your true character. And it’s not a good one.

      • Ron

        Well you are not a Servant of God Emery!

        YOU ARE OF YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL AND YOU PROPAGATE HIS FALSE DOCTRINES.

        WHEN DID YOU ONLY GET THE RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

        YOU INSULT EVERY PERSON WHO HAS SERVED HONORABLY IN OUR ARMED FORCES FOR HAVING THE NERVE TO SAY SUCH!!!!!!

        MY NAME IS EMERY AND ME MY JW’S ARE AS PERFECT AS GOD WE DON’T SIN! LIAR, LIAR, LIAR

        YOU TOTALLY BLASPHEME GOD BY MAKING SUCH CLAIMS

        1 John 1:8 IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE NO SIN,

        WE DECEIVE OURSELVES, AND THE TRUTH “IS NOT IN US”. THAT IS YOU RIGHT NOW EMERY YOU BIG FAT LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND GOD THE FATHER SEVERELY

        REBUKE YOU EMERY FOR ALL YOUR LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ron

    Good Points Rick but he says only the NWT is the only correct Bible.

    To me that is as bad as calling God a Liar and unable to keep and protect and propagate His Holy Word when certain people make these

    claims.

    Have a Good Evening Rick Blessings!

  • Just listen hard the next time a person at the Kingdom Hall talks about “apostates” and what they do. If you didn’t see or hear the actual bad things the apostate did, then don’t repeat such stories without verifying them. And, “Yes” I do know these things happen. JW “theocratic warfare” rules allow you to deceive non-witnesses. Makes it hard to have a conversation with a JW when you don’t know if they are telling the truth or not.

    • Emery

      rick;
      That’s impossible, since it NEVER HAPPENS. No one talks about apostates and what they do. They can’t repeat what they don’t hear or say either. And no, these things do not happen. There is no “JW theocratic warfare”. That’s something you just made up. And no, God’s word doesn’t allow ANYONE to deceive ANYONE. And ALL witnesses tell the truth, all the time. You seem to know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about those whom God commanded to witness for Him. You also seem to know NOTHING about God’s arrangements for handling people who try to destroy the congregation. It’s all in the OT. And our organization handles EVERYTHING exactly the way the scriptures demand that we handle them, with no exceptions. Everything we believe, teach, preach, do, how we live, and how we’re organized to preach is ALL CONTAINED IN THE SCRIPTURES. It comes from NOWHERE ELSE. Why do you continue to talk about things that you know NOTHING ABOUT? That includes God’s word.

      • Emery, you said,

        “rick; That’s impossible, since it NEVER HAPPENS. No one talks about apostates and what they do. They can’t repeat what they don’t hear or say either. And no, these things do not happen. ”

        No offense, but unless you are omniscient, you can not say that it “NEVER HAPPENED”. To make such bold statements could lead one to believe that you are highly arrogant, highly ignorant, or highly proud.

        That would be like saying, “JW’s don’t rape JW children.” Sure, nobody would believe that you all teach that child molestation was acceptable. Nobody would say that it is Biblical. But to deny that it doesn’t happen would be foolish. Especially in light of what is found under “Silent Lambs”.

  • “”The faithful witness does not commit perjury when testifying. His testimony is not tainted with lies. However, this does not mean that he is under obligation to give full information to those who may want to bring harm to Jehovah’s people in some way. The patriarchs Abraham and Isaac withheld facts from some who did not worship Jehovah. (Genesis 12:10-19; 20:1-18; 26:1-10) Rahab of Jericho misdirected the king’s men. (Joshua 2:1-7) Jesus Christ himself refrained from divulging total information when doing so would have caused needless harm. (John 7:1-10) He said: “Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw your pearls before swine.” Why not? So that “they may never . . . turn around and rip you open.”—Matthew 7:6.” Watchtower 2004 Nov 15 p.28

    “Sarai could say that she was Abram’s sister because she really was his half sister. (Genesis 20:12) Furthermore, he was not under obligation to divulge information to people who were not entitled to it. (Matthew 7:6) Faithful servants of God in modern times heed the Bible’s command to be honest. (Hebrews 13:18) They would never, for instance, lie under oath in a court of law. When the physical or spiritual lives of their brothers are at stake, such as in times of persecution or civil distress, however, they heed Jesus’ counsel to be “cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves.” Watchtower 2001 Aug 15 p.20”

    “Of course, being truthful does not mean that we are obligated to divulge all information to anyone who asks it of us. Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw your pearls before swine, that they may never … turn around and rip you open, warned Jesus, at Matthew 7:6. For example, individuals with wicked intent may have no right to know certain things. Christians understand that they are living in a hostile world. Thus, Jesus advised his disciples to be cautious as serpents while remaining innocent as doves. ( Matthew 10:16; John 15:19) Jesus did not always disclose the full truth, especially when revealing all the facts could have brought unnecessary harm to himself or his disciples. Still, even at such times, he did not lie. Instead, he chose either to say nothing or to divert the conversation in another direction.” Awake! 2000 Feb 8 p.21″

    “Jehovah had the land “vomit” those depraved humans out of their territory, using theocratic warfare to have it done. (Leviticus 18:1-30; Deuteronomy 7:1-6, 24) This justifies the spiritual warfare of the Christian today.” Watchtower 1986 Sep 1 p.18″

    “So when the apostle Peter used his sword against the slave of the high priest, Jesus told him: “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword.” (Matthew 26:52, 53; John 18:10, 11) Jesus thus made it plain that theocratic warfare from that time on was not to include the use of carnal weapons.” Watchtower 1983 Jul 15 p.19″

    “Likewise, as they entered upon their modern-day theocratic warfare, Jehovah’s witnesses came to appreciate clearly, from God’s Word of prophecy, that Satan had a great organization on this earth, of which false religion formed the most corrupt part, and that all of this visible “seed” of Satan was doomed to early destruction.” Watchtower 1969 Oct 1 p.593

    I can supply more.

    Care to admit that you weren’t telling the truth about “theocratic warfare”?

    Again, this is what makes it hard to have a discussion with a JW.
    Please don’t take this personally. I understand that you love your organization, and are simply doing what they told you to do. For that, you should be proud. However, if they ask you to do something unbiblical, you should be very concerned.

    • Emery

      No Rick. God’s word says do not lie. Obey the secular authorities, if their laws don’t conflict with God’s laws. It doesn’t say don’t lie, UNLESS. It says do not lie. Your understanding of God’s word is nil.

      And Rick, you are so hypocritical, you shouldn’t be talking at all. You rant and rave about rumors and gossiping, but that is EXACTLY what you are doing right now. you PRETEND to know what God’s word teaches, yet you don’t know at all. You revile (which is listed as a work of the flesh in Galations) and then criticize God’s servants. You’re supposed to be God’s servant, yet you refuse to do so. You exceed the speed limit. Roll through yellow lights, look at pretty women with lust, watch bang bang shootem up movies, drink probably too much, and many other things God forbids. You have no authority to make these false claims about God’s servants, or God’s inspired word. As I said, it shows your true character, and it’s not a good character Rick. We all LIVE by what God’s word teaches. You, do not. We OBEY all of God’s commands. CLEARLY, you do not. We OBEY everything the scriptures teach, clearly you do not. We remain no part of the world and clearly, you do not. We have nothing to do with fake religion, and clearly, you are part of it. We take in accurate information about God, daily, AS HE COMMANDS, and clearly, you do not. We work very hard to fulfill Matthew 24:14, and CLEARLY, you do not. You actually ATTACK those who DO work toward that fulfillment. You actually ATTACK those who serve and obey God, and who do His ENTIRE will, all day, every day. Something clearly, YOU DO NOT DO. Stop the hypocrisy.

      • “From time to time letters are received asking whether a certain circumstance would justify making an exception to the Christian’s obligation to tell the truth. In reply to these the following is given: God’s Word commands: “Speak truth each of you with his neighbor.” …
        There is one exception, however, that the Christian must ever bear in mind. As a soldier of Christ he is in theocratic warfare and he must exercise added caution when dealing with God’s foes. Thus the Scriptures show that for the purpose of protecting the interests of God’s cause, it is proper to hide the truth from God’s enemies. A Scriptural example of this is that of Rahab the harlot. She hid the Israelite spies because of her faith in their God Jehovah. This she did both by her actions and by her lips. That she had Jehovah’s approval in doing so is seen from James’ commendation of her faith.” Watchtower 1960 Jun 1 pp.351,352 Questions From Readers

        “We must tell the truth to one who is entitled to know, but if one is not so entitled we may be evasive. … As a soldier of Christ he is in theocratic warfare and he must exercise added caution when dealing with God’s foes. Thus the Scriptures show that for the purpose of protecting the interests of God’s cause, it is proper to hide the truth from God’s enemies.” Watchtower 1960 Jun 1 pp.351-352:

        “Today God’s servants are engaged in a warfare, a spiritual, theocratic warfare, a warfare ordered by God against wicked spirit forces and against false teachings. God’s servants are sent forth as sheep among wolves and therefore need to exercise the extreme caution of serpents so as to protect properly the interests of God’s kingdom committed to them. At all times they must be very careful not to divulge any information to the enemy that he could use to hamper the preaching work.” Watchtower 1957 May 1 p.286

        SANCTIFIED FOR THEOCRATIC WARFARE
        “Jehovah’s witnesses are engaged in a spiritual fight. It is a spiritual warfare to which they are sanctified, being enlisted in a spiritual army and engaged in a sacred conflict. They must, accordingly, partake of the pure truth, render acceptable worship, practice clean living and keep themselves and their surroundings clean.” Watchtower 1955 Aug 15 p.512

        “True, the witnesses of ancient times did in many cases fight with the various weapons of ancient warfare, and those witnesses furnished a prophetic picture or type of the Christian witnesses of Jehovah today, in their theocratic warfare against Satan the Devil and his superhuman hosts, the demons that are higher and more powerful than blood and flesh.” Watchtower 1954 Nov 15 p.697

        Haven’t you seen enough JW “theocratic warfare” teaching posted here to admit that you weren’t truthful about the teaching? It’s okay to admit that you weren’t truthful. It would actually give more credence to your claims if you would humbly admit your attempts at deception.

        • Emery

          Rick;
          AGAIN you use sophomoric knowledge to your ruin. We ALL constantly search the scriptures, for a better understanding of them. Many things are not revealed by God, until the time is right for HIM to reveal them. As such, your 1960 quote has since been refined due to a greater understanding of what God inspired to be written. MANY things are more clearly understood as the last of these end times passes. Unless you know what you’re talking about, please, stop talking about it. It’s just like you folks who quote ONE SCRIPTURE, out of context, not knowing it’s true meaning, and use it to “prove” some false point. if you folks actually STUDIED and KNEW what God’s word says, by comparing EACH SCRIPTURE to EACH OTHER SCRIPTURE, then you might gain more understanding of them, but it’s not possible for you to fully understand them. Satan has veiled the meaning of them from the unbelievers. Anyone who is not of the “great crowd” or the annointed, according to God’s word, is an unbeliever. Anyone who is part of the world, part of religions of the world, and who refuses to take in accurate information about God, DAILY, is an unbeliever, according to God’s word. You fall squarely into that category.

          You people pretend the 1611 KJV Bible is what you use, when you don’t. You pretend it’s translation was inspired by God. God inspired NO translations of His word. He only inspired His word. The 1611 KJV, written by a homosexual head of the Church of England, King James the First, CONTAINED ALL OF THE APOCRYPHA, and was FILLED with marginal notes referring to that apocrypha. The apocrypha, is NOT inspired by God. The original KJV was FILLED with books NOT INSPIRED BY GOD. And the current purported 1611 KJV has OVER 20,000 MISTRANSLATED WORDS. It’s MISSING 7,208 occurrences of God’s PERSONAL name. It only has it four times, when the 16,000 ancient texts from which Bibles are translated contain His personal name 7,212 times. The KJV has no Gehenna, Hades, or Sheol in it. It has the word “ghost” in it, when no such word existed in the first century. It has cross in it, when the 16,000 ancient texts contain no such word. It contains MANY occurrences of the word “hell” when the 16,000 ancient texts do not contain it more than once, and that one occurrence refers to the “common grave of mankind”. There is NO WAY you have accurate information about God, OR about God’s modern day servants, yet you PRETEND that you do Rick. Personally, I’ve read God’s word, from 38 English translations, over 400 times. I’ve studied God’s word in 45 years over one hundred times, comparing each scripture to each other scripture. And I still have a long way to go. I know you’ve never done these things. I learned translating ancient Hebrew and ancient Koine Greek into English in the mid 1970’s and have checked those 38 Bibles against all the existent ancient texts. NONE are even close to accurate. I checked the NWT, and it is 100% accurate. And you attack it. The only accurate translation into English of God’s word on the planet, and you hate it. Just the way people HATED the KJV Bible for two hundred years after it’s first printing, saying it’s the work of the devil. STOP PRETENDING Rick.

      • Ron

        WHAT A LIAR YOU ARE EMERY, YOU LIE AND LIE AND LIE SOME MORE

        SPOUTING OFF YOUR DUNG:

        EMERY QUOTE:**”You actually ATTACK those who serve and obey God,**

        and who do His ENTIRE will,

        **all day,**

        every day.

        **Something clearly,**

        YOU DO NOT DO.

        **Stop the hypocrisy.”**END QUOTE

        THAT IS THE BIGGEST LIE YOU HAVE SAID AS IF THE WHOLE JEHOVAH WITNESSES ARE PERFECT AND NEVER SIN

        YOU LIE YOU LIE YOU BIG FAT LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        HOW DARE YOU MAKE YOUR FLESHY SELF EQUAL TO GOD, ALL OF YOU IN PERFECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        LIAR LIAR LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things doth the LORD hate:

        yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

        A proud look,

        a lying tongue,(YES THIS YOU EMERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

        and hands that shed innocent blood,

        An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations,

        feet that be swift in running to mischief,

        A false witness that speaketh lies, ( YES THIS TOO IS YOU EMERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

        and he that soweth discord among brethren.( YES THIS TOO IS YOU EMERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

        1 John 1:8 IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE NO SIN,

        WE DECEIVE OURSELVES, AND THE TRUTH “IS NOT IN US”. THAT IS YOU RIGHT NOW EMERY YOU BIG FAT LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND GOD THE FATHER SEVERELY

        REBUKE YOU EMERY FOR ALL YOUR LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        YOU BIG LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        WHAT A LIE WHAT A LOAD OF DUNG

        WHAT A LIAR YOU ARE EMERY, YOU LIE AND LIE AND LIE SOME MORE

        SPOUTING OFF YOUR DUNG:

        EMERY QUOTE:**”You actually ATTACK those who serve and obey God,**

        and who do His ENTIRE will,

        **all day,**

        every day.

        **Something clearly,**

        YOU DO NOT DO.

        **Stop the hypocrisy.”**END QUOTE

        LIES LIES AND MORE LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        MY NAME IS EMERY AND ME MY JW’S ARE AS PERFECT AS GOD WE DON’T SIN! LIAR, LIAR, LIAR

        YOU TOTALLY BLASPHEME GOD BY MAKING SUCH CLAIMS

        1 John 1:8 IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE NO SIN,

        WE DECEIVE OURSELVES, AND THE TRUTH “IS NOT IN US”. THAT IS YOU RIGHT NOW EMERY YOU BIG FAT LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND GOD THE FATHER SEVERELY

        REBUKE YOU EMERY FOR ALL YOUR LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Emery

          No Ron, I never lie. Your insistence that I do, lying YOURSELF in doing so, AGAIN proves your hatred and disdain for God, His servants, His word, and His son. Continuing to prove your hatred for God and anyone and anything to do with Him is pointless. WE GET IT. YOU HATE GOD. You can STOP now. Your mission is accomplished. Just like those who hated, attacked, and killed God’s servants in the past through today, you are doing nothing new. People JUST LIKE YOU killed God’s only begotten son, Jesus, the messiah of God. And for no good reason. THEY did it over money. You do it simply for HATRED. Something God FORBIDS one man to hold for another. But your absolutely COMPLETE disobeyance of ALL of His commands still won’t make you “more dead”. You are simply doing the bidding of God’s opponent, and don’t even probably realize it. But the fact remains, you are. CONSTANTLY. As to why you hate Him is your business. Proving it over and over won’t make you MORE dead when He destroys you, because one is dead, or not dead. One cannot be MORE dead. You’ve accomplished your suicide already. It’s TIME TO STOP now. You’ve drunk the poison kool aid. You can’t back out now. But you can STOP now. Your work is done. Any more proof of your hatred for God serves NO PURPOSE.

          • Ron

            NO EMERY YOU HAVE JUST LIED AGAIN YOU LIAR YOUR LIES AND HYPOCRISY ARE ALL OVER NTEB!!!!!!!!!!!!

            DON’T TELL ME SOMETHING AS THOUGH YOU SPEAK FOR GOD AND ARE HIS SOLE SPEAKER FOR HIM THAT

            IN AND OF ITSELF MAKES YOU AN EVEN BIGGER LIAR.

            I AM EMERY I MUST ALWAYS HAVE THE LAST WORD BECAUSE “I AM GOD” I AM AS RIGHTEOUS AS GOD AND

            ME AND THE JW’S DO NOT SIN!!!!!

            LIAR, LIAR, LIAR!!!!!

            WHAT A BLASPHEMER

            I WILL KEEP POSTING WHAT YOU SAID SO EVERYONE CAN SEE WHAT A LIAR YOU REALLY ARE EMERY THE LIAR

            KING OF BLASPHEMERS. DON’T TRY TO PUSH OFF ON ME TRYING TO CLAIM I HATE GOD.

            I LOVE GOD.

            BUT YOUR LYING RIGHT IN THE FACE OF WHAT YOUR POSTS SAY WITH SCRIPTURE RIGHT NEXT TO THEM

            AND YOU DON’T ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR FAULTS OR LIES SHOWS………………………

            SHOWS JUST HOW BLINDED YOU ARE BY SATAN AND HOW MUCH OF A LIAR YOU REALLY ARE LYING EMERY.

            YES EMERY I WILL POST IT EVERY TIME YOU POST FROM HERE OUT SO EVERYONE CAN SEE YOUR LYING

            HYPOCRISY, CLAIMING TO BE EQUAL TO GOD WITH HIS HOLY SPIRIT AND CLAIMING TO BE SINLESS.

            23 JULY 2016 AT 7:27 PM EMERY’S POST

            A BIBLE BELIEVER LOOKS AT THE CULT TEACHINGS OF THE JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES

            http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/bible-believer-looks-cult-teaching-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-1425178

            WHAT A LIAR YOU ARE EMERY, YOU LIE AND LIE AND LIE SOME MORE

            SPOUTING OFF YOUR DUNG:

            EMERY QUOTE:”You actually ATTACK those who serve

            and obey God,

            and who do His ENTIRE will,

            all day, every day.

            Something clearly,

            YOU DO NOT DO.

            Stop the hypocrisy.”:EMERY ENDQUOTE

            THAT IS THE BIGGEST LIE YOU HAVE SAID AS IF THE WHOLE JEHOVAH WITNESSES ARE PERFECT AND NEVER SIN

            YOU LIE YOU LIE YOU BIG FAT LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            HOW DARE YOU MAKE YOUR FLESHY SELF EQUAL TO GOD, ALL OF YOU IN PERFECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            LIAR LIAR LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            MY NAME IS EMERY AND ME MY JW’S ARE AS PERFECT AS GOD WE DON’T SIN! LIAR, LIAR, LIAR

            YOU TOTALLY BLASPHEME GOD BY MAKING SUCH CLAIMS

            1 John 1:8 IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE NO SIN,

            WE DECEIVE OURSELVES, AND THE TRUTH “IS NOT IN US”. THAT IS YOU RIGHT NOW EMERY YOU BIG FAT LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND GOD THE FATHER SEVERELY

            REBUKE YOU EMERY FOR ALL YOUR LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            EMERY QUOTE:”You’re supposed to be God’s servant,

            yet you refuse to do so. You exceed the speed limit.

            Roll through yellow lights, look at pretty women with lust,

            watch bang bang shootem up movies,

            drink probably too much, and many other things God forbids.

            You have no authority to make these false claims

            about God’s servants, or God’s inspired word.

            As I said, it shows your true character,

            and it’s not a good character Rick.

            We all LIVE by what God’s word teaches. You, do not.

            We OBEY all of God’s commands. CLEARLY, you do not.

            We OBEY everything the scriptures teach, clearly you do not.

            We remain no part of the world and clearly, you do not”: EMERY END QUOTE

            HOW MANY PEOPLE SEE EMERY’S HYPOCRISY AND THE
            SAME AS THE SCRIPTURE ABOUT THE PHARISEE AND

            THE PUBLICAN…….

            Luke 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

            Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

            LUKE 18:11 HAS YOUR NAME WRITTEN ALL OVER IT
            EMERY, YOU BIG FAT LYING HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!!!

            Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. ( EMERY BOASTING AGAIN!)

            Luke 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

            Luke 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

            GOD JUSTIFIED THE PUBLICAN AND CONDEMNED THE

            PHARISEE (EMERY)

            YES THESE 5 SCRIPTURES ARE ABOUT YOU EMERY

            CONDEMNING EVERYONE ELSE YOU LYING HYPOCRITE!!!

            ALL NEW POSTERS EMERY LIES IN WAIT TO COMPLETELY CONDEMN YOU ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE A BORN AGAIN

            “CHRISTIAN”

          • Emery

            Ron;
            I never lie. You have made it an OBSESSION to lie. Based on that, and your demonstrative hatred for God, Jesus, God’s word, and God’s servants, you are one of the “stupid ones” God mentioned in His inspired word. Proverbs 13:20 The one walking with the wise will become wise,
            But the one who has dealings with the stupid will fare badly.

            Psalms 49:12 But man, although honored, will not remain;
            He is no better than the beasts that perish.
            13 This is the way of the stupid ones
            And of those who follow them, who take pleasure in their empty words.

            Proverbs 3:35 The wise will inherit honor,
            But the stupid ones glorify dishonor.

            Proverbs 8: 5 You inexperienced ones, learn shrewdness;
            You stupid ones, acquire an understanding heart.

            Proverbs 19:28 A worthless witness mocks justice,
            And the mouth of the wicked gulps down evil.
            29 Judgment is in store for ridiculers,
            And beatings for the back of the stupid ones.

            Ecclesiastes 5: 4 Whenever you make a vow to God, do not delay to pay it, for he finds no pleasure in the stupid ones.

            Since these scriptures, ALL OF THEM, describe your behavior TO A TEE, we have nothing further to discuss. If you post anything else to me, it will go UNREAD by me. If you CONTINUE to post to me, knowing this, then it further proves your stupidity, and your psychological obsession with serving Satan, and hating God and His servants, His word, and His son. Since you have a psychological condition that PREVENTS you from stopping, I am certain you will continue, thus showing anyone else reading your posts that you are not emotionally well balanced, and that you need psychological professional help. It seems that MANY of your so-called “faith” have mental problems. If you were actually a lover and worshiper of God, and you OBEYED Him, you might be alive after the final battle and have your mental disorder wiped away by God, and you’d once again be healthy. But you certainly are not right now.

            Again, I will NO LONGER READ ANY OF YOUR POSTS. EVER. Continuing to post to me is proof positive of your mental disorder.

          • Ron

            23 JULY 2016 AT 7:27 PM EMERY’S POST

            A BIBLE BELIEVER LOOKS AT THE CULT TEACHINGS OF

            THE JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES

            http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/bible-believer-looks-cult-

            teaching-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-1425178

            WHAT A LIAR YOU ARE EMERY, YOU LIE AND LIE AND LIE

            SOME MORE

            SPOUTING OFF YOUR DUNG:

            EMERY QUOTE:”You actually ATTACK those who serve

            and obey God,

            and who do His ENTIRE will,

            all day, every day.

            Something clearly,

            YOU DO NOT DO.

            Stop the hypocrisy.”:EMERY ENDQUOTE

            THAT IS THE BIGGEST LIE YOU HAVE SAID AS IF THE

            WHOLE JEHOVAH WITNESSES ARE PERFECT AND

            NEVER SIN

            YOU LIE YOU LIE YOU BIG FAT

            LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            HOW DARE YOU MAKE YOUR FLESHY SELF EQUAL TO

            GOD, ALL OF YOU IN PERFECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            LIAR LIAR LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            MY NAME IS EMERY AND ME MY JW’S ARE AS PERFECT

            AS GOD WE DON’T SIN! LIAR, LIAR, LIAR

            YOU TOTALLY BLASPHEME GOD BY MAKING SUCH

            CLAIMS

            1 John 1:8 IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE NO SIN,

            WE DECEIVE OURSELVES, AND THE TRUTH “IS NOT IN

            US”. THAT IS YOU RIGHT NOW EMERY YOU BIG FAT

            LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND GOD

            THE FATHER SEVERELY

            REBUKE YOU EMERY FOR ALL YOUR

            LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            EMERY QUOTE:”You’re supposed to be God’s servant,

            yet you refuse to do so. You exceed the speed limit.

            Roll through yellow lights, look at pretty women with lust,

            watch bang bang shootem up movies,

            drink probably too much, and many other things God forbids.

            You have no authority to make these false claims

            about God’s servants, or God’s inspired word.

            As I said, it shows your true character,

            and it’s not a good character Rick.

            We all LIVE by what God’s word teaches. You, do not.

            We OBEY all of God’s commands. CLEARLY, you do not.

            We OBEY everything the scriptures teach, clearly you do not.

            We remain no part of the world and clearly, you do not”: EMERY

            END QUOTE

            HOW MANY PEOPLE SEE EMERY’S HYPOCRISY AND THE
            SAME AS THE SCRIPTURE ABOUT THE PHARISEE AND

            THE PUBLICAN…….

            Luke 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a

            Pharisee, and the other a publican.

            Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself,

            God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners,

            unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

            LUKE 18:11 HAS YOUR NAME WRITTEN ALL OVER IT
            EMERY, YOU BIG FAT LYING HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!!!

            Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I

            possess. ( EMERY BOASTING AGAIN!)

            Luke 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up

            so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast,

            saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

            Luke 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified

            rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be

            abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

            GOD JUSTIFIED THE PUBLICAN AND CONDEMNED THE

            PHARISEE (EMERY)

            YES THESE 5 SCRIPTURES ARE ABOUT YOU EMERY

            CONDEMNING EVERYONE ELSE YOU LYING

            HYPOCRITE!!!

            EMERY’S NEWEST LIE…..

            SAME NTEB POST DIFFERENT TIME

            24 JULY 2016 at 9:58 pm

            EMERY QUOTE: “People JUST LIKE YOU killed God’s only begotten son, Jesus,

            the messiah of God. And for no good reason. THEY did it over

            money. You do it simply for HATRED.”:EMERY UNQUOTE

            ONLY JEHOVAH WITNESSES ACCORDING TO EMERY

            WERE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR CHRIST’S DEATH.

            ACCORDING TO EMERY

            ONLY WE

            WHO “ARE NOT” JEHOVAH WITNESSES

            ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR KILLING JESUS CHRIST!

            THE JW’S ARE PERFECT THEY HAD NOTHING TO

            DO WITH IT.

            BUT HOW COULD THEY SINCE THEY DENY WHO HE
            REALLY IS AND THAT IS GOD.

            IF EVERYONE TAKE NOTICE EMERY WILL NEVER USE

            THE WORDS JESUS and CHRIST TOGETHER

            AND DEFINITELY WILL NEVER CALL

            JESUS CHRIST LORD!!!!

            CAUGHT IN MORE OF YOU OWN LIES EMERY

            WHEN WILL YOUR TONGUE FALL OFF?

            EMERY THE LIAR, EMERY THE HYPOCRITE. LIAR LIAR LIAR EMERY THE BIG LIAR EVERY TIME YOUR LIPS MOVE EMERY

            WE KNOW YOU ARE LYING.

            YOU ARE SO STRANGE YOU MAKE YOUR OWN POST AND YOU CANNOT EVEN SEE THE HYPOCRISY AND LIES EVEN

            WHEN SHOWN SCRIPTURE TO REFUTE YOUR OWN POSTINGS YOU ARE THAT BLIND AND AN EVEN BIGGER LIAR!

          • Ron

            EMERY YOU ARE SO BLIND YOU CAN’T EVEN SEE THE POSTS YOU WRITE AGAINST ME AND ANY OTHER CHRISTIAN

            ON THIS BOARD ARE WHAT DESCRIBE YOU FULLY. IT IS SO EASY TO SEE YOURSELF IN ALL OF YOUR POSTS,

            BUT YOU ARE SO BLIND YOU CAN’T SEE IT.

            YOU ALWAYS WANT TO HAVE THE LAST WORD AND EVERY CHRISTIAN CAN SEE ALL YOUR HYPOCRISY EACH AND

            EVERY TIME YOU WRITE.

            YOU ARE A LIAR

            WHEN YOU SAY YOU NEVER LIE

            THOSE WHO LIVE BY GOD’S LAW SHALL DIE BY IT

            BUT THOSE WHO LIVE IN JESUS CHRIST ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW BUT GRACE

            SIN IS NOT IMPUTED TO THOSE WHO “ARE IN” JESUS CHRIST THEY ARE CONTINUALLY WASHED IN THE BLOOD

            FREE FROM SIN.

            THOSE WHO LIVE BY GOD’S LAWS “WITHOUT JESUS CHRIST” SHALL BE TURNED INTO HELL

            THAT IS WHERE YOUR JW NWT DOCTRINE WILL SEND YOU STRAIGHT TO HELL.

            REPENT EMERY YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS REPROBATE AND IN NEED OF HELP

            MANY HAVE TOLD YOU THE TRUTH AND YOU STAND DEFIANT JUST AS THE PHARISEES DID WHEN JESUS TOLD THEM

            THE TRUTH.

            YOU HAVE A REAL MENTAL PROBLEM BECAUSE AFTER SOMEONE QUOTES WHAT YOU WROTE………………………………

            WHAT DO YOU DO EMERY “EVERY SINGLE TIME” EMERY?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

            YOU TOTALLY IGNORE IT AS THOUGH………………………………………………………………………..

            YOU NEVER WROTE IT…………………………………………………………………………………………….

            YOU NEVER SAID IT…………………………………………………………………………………………

            AS IF IT DOESN’T EXIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            ESPECIALLY WHEN “ILLUMINATED BY SCRIPTURE”

            YOU JUST TROT RIGHT BY IT, BECAUSE YOU DON’T EVEN WANT TO FACE WHAT YOU WROTE .

            EMERY YOU ARE THE BIGGEST LIAR ON NTEB AND THE FACT YOU IGNORE WHAT YOU WROTE WHEN IT IS QUOTED

            BACK TO YOU ( CUT AND PASTE!) EXACTLY AS YOU WROTE IT PROVES YOU AS A

            JEHOVAH’S WITNESS ARE A LIAR, A HYPOCRITE, AND A BLASPHEMER!

        • Emery

          Maybe YOU TOO should get some professional help with your OBSESSION with PROVING your hatred of God and anyone and anything to do with Him. ANY obsession is unhealthy, especially emotionally unhealthy, as in your case. You REALLY SHOULD get some help. You can do nothing else it seems, but attack God and His son and servants and word. You put so much effort into these attacks, I’m surprised you are even able to eat and take care of yourself. It would be surprising if you even went to work any more, you spend so much time attacking God. You could die for not eating, and could become homeless for not working. No one will want to be around you for not showering because you spend all of your time attacking God. Think of the benefits of professional psychiatric help, they are many in your case.

          • Ron

            YOU KNOW EMERY HERE YOU ARE GIVING ADVICE

            YET YOU DO THE VERY SAME THING AGAINST THOSE WHO ARE BIRTHED OF GOD’S HOLY SPIRIT

            AND YOU WERE BIRTHED IN THE WATCHTOWER YOU ARE OBSESSED EMERY WITH YOUR HATRED FOR

            THOSE WHO ARE THE TRUE SERVANTS OF GOD.

            THE ONLY THING I ATTACK IS THAT NWT BIBLE YOU CLAIM IS WITHOUT ERROR AND YOU SAY THE KJV HAS

            22,000 ERRORS IN IT.

            NO THEY HAVE BRAINWASHED YOU TO BELIEVE THOSE LIES AND IT IS THE

            NEW WORLD TRANSLATION THAT HAS 22,000 ERRORS AND SATAN IS LAUGHING AT YOU FOR BELIEVING IT.

            EMERY THE LIAR, HYPOCRITE, EMERY WHO IF HE LEAD A BLIND MAN THEY WILL BOTH FALL IN A DITCH.

      • Emery- You said, “God’s word says do not lie… It doesn’t say don’t lie, UNLESS. It says do not lie. Your understanding of God’s word is nil.”

        Read the direct quotes from Watchtower material. I agree with your understanding of Jehovah’s holy word. Don’t lie. What I have an issue with is the JW teaching about deception. As quoted many times in various publications. So, let’s see if we can try this again… You made the claims:
        – “There is no “JW theocratic warfare”.
        *** I’ve shown repeatedly that the JW do teach “theocratic warfare” – will you now admit this?

        – “That’s something you just made up.”
        *** I’ve shown repeatedly that this is something that came from the Watchtower, and not me. Will you admit this?

        – “And no, God’s word doesn’t allow ANYONE to deceive ANYONE.”
        *** We agree on this one, but will you admit that the Watchtower does allow their members to deceive people?

        – “And ALL witnesses tell the truth, all the time.”
        *** Seriously? You tell the truth, all the time? May Jehovah reveal the sin in your heart, in an incredibly powerful way. (Believers care to agree with this in prayer?)

        • Emery

          No Rick, I don’t “make things up”. You, however, seem to have no ability to answer questions.

          • Emery-
            Sorry if I didn’t answer questions of yours.

            If you could answer these questions, I’ll do my best on yours:

            You made the claims:
            – Emery- “There is no “JW theocratic warfare”.
            *** I’ve shown repeatedly that the JW do teach “theocratic warfare” – will you now admit this?

            – Emery- “That’s something you just made up.”
            *** I’ve shown repeatedly that this is something that came from the Watchtower, and not me. Will you admit that I didn’t make this up?

            – Emery- “And no, God’s word doesn’t allow ANYONE to deceive ANYONE.”
            *** We agree on this one, but will you admit that the Watchtower does allow their members to deceive people?

            – Emery- “And ALL witnesses tell the truth, all the time.”
            *** Seriously? You tell the truth, all the time?

            May Jehovah reveal the sin in your heart, in an incredibly powerful way. (Believers care to agree with this in prayer?)

  • Emery

    SOMEONE please help Ron. He is having an emotional breakdown of some sort, and has engaged in OBSESSIONS with attacking, and lying about others, all the while claiming those whom he attacks are themselves lying, who are not. He was informed that I for one, would NOT read his posts addressed to or about me, and I haven’t, and won’t. Yet he continues to post to me.
    INSANITY
    noun, plural insanities.
    1.
    the condition of being insane; a derangement of the mind.
    Synonyms: dementia, lunacy, madness, craziness, mania, aberration.
    2.
    Law. such unsoundness of mind as frees one from legal responsibility, as for committing a crime, or as signals one’s lack of legal capacity, as for entering into a contractual agreement.
    3.
    Psychiatry. (formerly) psychosis.
    4. extreme foolishness; folly; senselessness; foolhardiness:
    Trying to drive through that traffic would be pure insanity.
    a foolish or senseless action, policy, statement, etc.:

    NOW, posting to me, KNOWING I won’t read the posts, hoping for a different outcome, when one isn’t possible, is also a definition of insanity, in the psychiatric field. In other words, doing the same thing, over and over, seeking a different outcome, when none is possible, is a definition of insanity.

    This is what’s happening. There are a few others that do the same on this blog. They have an obsession with attacking God and His word and His servants, and even His son, that cannot be satiated. In the first century, this was most often associated with demon posession. Even today, demon posession, and the actions of those so posessed, is usually diagnosed as insanity. Yes, insanity can be caused by demon posession, and if the demons are expelled, the condition disappears. I do believe that Ron is so posessed. I do also believe that if someone can convince him to seek help in the psychiatric field, he can also be helped. PLEASE, someone help him. I will continue to pray for him, and maybe others can do the same, if they can’t bring themselves to help him more directly.

    • Ron

      Emery the only one who needs help is you and If you do not accept Jesus Christ as Your Personal Lord and Savior you are doomed.

      Are you a certified psychiatrist Emery? No I doubt it since you are not of the world.

      EMERY THE ONLY PROBLEM YOU HAVE WITH ME IS I HAVE ISOLATED YOUR LIES FOR ALL TO EASILY SEE THE LIAR THAT YOU

      ARE SO YOU ARE WORRIED YOU CAN’T MAKE ANY NEW CONVERTS!

      SO I WILL CONTINUE TO EXPOSE YOUR LIES!

      23 JULY 2016 AT 7:27 PM EMERY’S POST

      A BIBLE BELIEVER LOOKS AT THE CULT TEACHINGS OF

      THE JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES

      http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/bible-believer-looks-cult-

      teaching-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-1425178

      WHAT A LIAR YOU ARE EMERY, YOU LIE AND LIE AND LIE

      SOME MORE

      SPOUTING OFF YOUR DUNG:

      EMERY QUOTE:”You actually ATTACK those who serve

      and obey God,

      and who do His ENTIRE will,

      all day, every day.

      Something clearly,

      YOU DO NOT DO.

      Stop the hypocrisy.”:EMERY ENDQUOTE

      THAT IS THE BIGGEST LIE YOU HAVE SAID AS IF THE

      WHOLE JEHOVAH WITNESSES ARE PERFECT AND

      NEVER SIN

      YOU LIE YOU LIE YOU BIG FAT

      LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      HOW DARE YOU MAKE YOUR FLESHY SELF EQUAL TO

      GOD, ALL OF YOU IN PERFECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      LIAR LIAR LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      MY NAME IS EMERY AND ME MY JW’S ARE AS PERFECT

      AS GOD WE DON’T SIN! LIAR, LIAR, LIAR

      YOU TOTALLY BLASPHEME GOD BY MAKING SUCH

      CLAIMS

      1 John 1:8 IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE NO SIN,

      WE DECEIVE OURSELVES, AND THE TRUTH “IS NOT IN

      US”. THAT IS YOU RIGHT NOW EMERY YOU BIG FAT

      LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND GOD

      THE FATHER SEVERELY

      REBUKE YOU EMERY FOR ALL YOUR

      LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      EMERY QUOTE:”You’re supposed to be God’s servant,

      yet you refuse to do so. You exceed the speed limit.

      Roll through yellow lights, look at pretty women with lust,

      watch bang bang shootem up movies,

      drink probably too much, and many other things God forbids.

      You have no authority to make these false claims

      about God’s servants, or God’s inspired word.

      As I said, it shows your true character,

      and it’s not a good character Rick.

      We all LIVE by what God’s word teaches. You, do not.

      We OBEY all of God’s commands. CLEARLY, you do not.

      We OBEY everything the scriptures teach, clearly you do not.

      We remain no part of the world and clearly, you do not”: EMERY

      END QUOTE

      HOW MANY PEOPLE SEE EMERY’S HYPOCRISY AND THE
      SAME AS THE SCRIPTURE ABOUT THE PHARISEE AND

      THE PUBLICAN…….

      Luke 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a

      Pharisee, and the other a publican.

      Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself,

      God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners,

      unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

      LUKE 18:11 HAS YOUR NAME WRITTEN ALL OVER IT
      EMERY, YOU BIG FAT LYING HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!!!

      Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I

      possess. ( EMERY BOASTING AGAIN!)

      Luke 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up

      so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast,

      saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

      Luke 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified

      rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be

      abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

      GOD JUSTIFIED THE PUBLICAN AND CONDEMNED THE

      PHARISEE (EMERY)

      YES THESE 5 SCRIPTURES ARE ABOUT YOU EMERY

      CONDEMNING EVERYONE ELSE YOU LYING

      HYPOCRITE!!!

      EMERY’S NEWEST LIE…..

      SAME NTEB POST DIFFERENT TIME

      24 JULY 2016 at 9:58 pm

      People JUST LIKE YOU killed God’s only begotten son, Jesus,

      the messiah of God. And for no good reason. THEY did it over

      money. You do it simply for HATRED.

      ONLY JEHOVAH WITNESSES ACCORDING TO EMERY

      WERE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR CHRIST’S DEATH.

      ACCORDING TO EMERY

      ONLY WE

      WHO “ARE NOT” JEHOVAH WITNESSES

      ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR KILLING JESUS CHRIST!

      THE JW’S ARE PERFECT THEY HAD NOTHING TO

      DO WITH IT.

      BUT HOW COULD THEY SINCE THEY DENY WHO HE
      REALLY IS AND THAT IS GOD.

      IF EVERYONE TAKE NOTICE EMERY WILL NEVER USE

      THE WORDS JESUS and CHRIST TOGETHER

      AND DEFINITELY WILL NEVER CALL

      JESUS CHRIST LORD!!!!

      CAUGHT IN MORE OF YOU OWN LIES EMERY

      WHEN WILL YOUR TONGUE FALL OFF?

      EMERY THE LIAR EMERY THE HYPOCRITE.

      HAVE A NICE DAY EMERY! LIARS ALWAYS ARE TRIPPED UP BY THE LORD HIMSELF WHEN THEY SAY OR WRITE ANYTHING.

      WHAT IS THE MATTER YOU CAN’T STAND TO SEE YOURSELF CAUGHT IN YOUR OWN LIES??????????????????????????

  • Emery, let’s try this again…

    If you could answer these questions, I’ll do my best on yours:

    You made the claims:
    – Emery- “There is no “JW theocratic warfare”.
    *** I’ve shown repeatedly that the JW do teach “theocratic warfare” – will you now admit this?

    – Emery- “That’s something you just made up.”
    *** I’ve shown repeatedly that this is something that came from the Watchtower, and not me. Will you admit that I didn’t make this up?

    – Emery- “And no, God’s word doesn’t allow ANYONE to deceive ANYONE.”
    *** We agree on this one, but will you admit that the Watchtower does allow their members to deceive people?

    – Emery- “And ALL witnesses tell the truth, all the time.”
    *** Seriously? You tell the truth, all the time? You have shown here that you are not always truthful.

    May Jehovah reveal the sin in your heart, in an incredibly powerful way. (Believers care to agree with this in prayer?)

  • Emery

    I CONTINUE to receive emails from Ron. PLEASE, someone help him see the need to get even a slight grip on reality and sanity. He knows I won’t read his emails, I delete them. He knows I won’t know what he said, but he continues to post to me believing in his mind, that I read them, but I don’t. This is what he cannot grasp. His attacks are futile. God says those like him are “the stupid ones”, and as such, I want NOTHING to do with him at all. He has NEVER posted ANYTHING of any value, nor contributed ANYTHING to a conversation that could further understanding. The ONLY thing he has EVER done, is to attack God’s servants. Jesus prophecied exactly this, in these end times, and said it would be at it’s worst, at the end of the end times, where we find ourselves right now. More than ever, now, the abased Devil is breeding hate throughout the world, hatred of God and hatred of fellow man. Hence, in view of the end, says Peter, “above all things, have intense love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins.” (1 Pet. 4:8, NW)
    That first prophecy given in Eden also stated that Satan would produce a “seed.” His seed would express enmity, or hatred, for the seed of the woman. Who make up the seed of the serpent? All those who imitate Satan’s hatred of God and oppose God’s people. Throughout history, Satan has organized his seed into various political movements, or kingdoms. (Luke 4:5, 6) However, only relatively few human kingdoms have exerted a major influence on God’s people, whether the nation of Israel or the congregation of anointed Christians
    Ron is a perfect typical example of what Jesus spoke about when he spoke those words that Matthew recorded for our benefit. Ron needs help.

    There are two things to consider
    From Ryan Howes PhD, ABPP
    Perseveration: the pathological, persistent repetition of a word, gesture, or act.

    Perseverance: steady persistence in a course of action in spite of difficulties, obstacles, or discouragement.

    Although perseverence is admirable, perseverance, however, perseveration is a troubling issue needing clinical attention. Don’t let a quaint saying blur this distinction.

    Ron is displaying extreme perseveration according to Dr. Howes. He CONTINUES in a course of action, in spite of complete knowledge that what he is doing will bear NO FRUIT, and that I WON’T read his attacking, reviling, and hate filled posts. If he’s ever read God’s word, he knows that God COMMANDS us to love our neighbor and to pray for our enemies. God’s word also teaches strongly, that we are not to attack one another for any reason, but to season our words with “salt”. A metaphorical reference to being diplomatic and “nice” in everything we say. Ron cannot do these things. It goes against everything he is about. I am begging, PLEASE, someone speak to him and recommend, STRONGLY, that he get clinical help for this problem of his, this OBSESSION of his. He is, by the legal definition, STALKING me. Continuing to hound and attack and scream out for attention from me, when I cannot give him what he needs. He’s very lonely, and this seems to be his only way to get human attention. It’s no wonder, considering the way he behaves toward others, ESPECIALLY toward God’s servants. His extreme hatred for God alone is reason for needing clinical attention. Hatred for humans is very problematic, but hating the One who created him is especially troubling. PLEASE someone help him. I am getting tired of deleting his many emails. I don’t want to have to close my email account because of one nutcase.

    • Ron

      Funny EMERY I KEEP GETTING E-MAILS FROM YOU TOO!

      I USED TO LOOK IN MY IN BASKET AND YOU AND THOSE OTHER GUYS WOULD TAKE UP

      THREE QUARTERS OF MY E-MAIL IN MY INBOX OF YOUR WORTHLESS TRIPE.

      YOU ARE SUBSCRIBED TO A BLOG AND THAT’S WHAT BLOGGERS DO WE CONVERSE

      BUT IT DOESN’T FEEL SO GOOD WHEN YOUR LIES ARE EXPOSED DOES IT?

      IF YOU DON’T LIKE GETTING E-MAILS FROM THIS NTEB BLOG

      YOU

      CAN

      ALWAYS

      UNSUBSCRIBE

      HERE IS THE ADDRESS TO DO IT:

      https://subscribe.wordpress.com/

    • Ron

      EMERY YOU HAVE TO BE A REAL IDIOT I DO NOT HAVE YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS.

      IF YOU DON’T WANT MAIL THAT COMES FROM

      NTEB

      THAT IS ABOUT COMMENTS I POST

      THEN

      IT IS AS

      SIMPLE AS THIS

      UNLESS YOU ARE THAT SIMPLE MINDED

      YOU DON’T GET IT.

      “UNSUBSCRIBE” YOU MORONIC IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Dianne

    Hello Emery,
    It seems to me that you have answered the solution to your problem. ‘ I don’t want to have to close my email account…”
    That seems to be your best choice.
    So long Emery.
    Oh, and if you decide to come back posting under another name, Geoffrey has the technology to EXPOSE YOU!!!

    • Emery

      Dianne;
      Yet another who demonstrates hatred for God, His word, His son, and His servants. The only difference between you and Ron is that you know when to quit. Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints from the marrow, and is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 And there is not a creation that is hidden from his sight, but all things are naked and openly exposed to the eyes of the one to whom we must give an account.

      Except those who hate God. His word exerts no power on those demonstrating the hatred of God that Jesus warned us about. It only works on those who are honest hearted, and in whom God sees a desire to know Him and to obey Him. However, you still will have to give an account of your actions. Like trying to indicate to me what “my best choice” is. I didn’t ask you, now did I. And you don’t speak for anyone but yourself. You are not Geoffrey Grider’s spokesperson. And Dianne, there is nothing to “EXPOSE” me for. Unless preaching what God COMMANDS me to preach. if you think that’s something that needs exposing, then you have a lot more problems than I suspected. I simply don’t understand how so many of you have so much against God and His word, and against obeying His commands. And what have you got against Jesus, God’s only begotten son? Or against God’s inspired word? Are you afraid of them? Are you blaming them for something that happened in your life? I assure you, they are not responsible. God tests and tries no one. God punishes no one, until their death, since the penalty for sin IS death. Or until the tribulation and final battle. Is THAT what you are afraid of? Is THAT what you hate God for? It must be something. Whatever it is, you’re wrong. God is a God of LOVE. He desires ALL, including you and Ron, to attain to repentance. He desires NO ONE to die, but disobeying and hating Him does mean He will see to your death. Simply because it doesn’t happen immediately, is no reason to assume it will not ever happen, because it surely will.

      And it appears that you don’t care anything for your fellow man either. I asked for someone to reach Ron, and to help him with his problem. Instead, you attack one of God’s servants, just like Ron, only a little less vitriolic. Matthew 22:37 He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.”

      Those scriptures are commandments Dianne. Commandments that you choose to willingly ignore, as does Ron. Are there any that you DON’T ignore? I’ve not seen evidence of any.

      • Dianne

        Hello Emery,
        If I believed that Ron needed assistance I would certainly come to his aid. However, he certainly DOES NOT. So as you have continued in your vicious diatribe against anyone who exposes your LIES, I will again point out that you are without a doubt a maniacal old man.
        For the record, I will state for you that I LOVE GOD THE FATHER, I LOVE GOD THE SON, AND I LOVE GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT( NOT holy spirit as you have previously and disrespectfully posted)
        For GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, and GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT ARE ONE!!!!
        As for loving others Emery, I wouldn’t go there if I were you. YOUR LIES CLEARLY SHOW THAT YOU DON’T EVEN HAVE A CLUE.

        Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58

        And God said unto Moses, I Am that I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. Exodus 3:14

        I and my Father are one. John 10:30

        Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

        Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? The one who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, Show me the Father? John 14:9

        But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 1 Corinthians 2:10

        • Emery

          Dianne;
          Attempting to scripturally counsel one, is NOT a “vicious diatribe”. And something that doesn’t exist CANNOT be “exposed” either Dianne. I don’t lie, ever. I truly wish the same were true for you, but sadly, it’s not. I am certainly not a maniacal old man either. And you claim that I lie? You just lied Diane. That’s hypocrisy on your part. You are certainly not without lying, claiming that God is not God the Almighty, but that He is His own son, and his own spirit. All demonstrably untrue. If you actually loved God, or His son, you wouldn’t lie about them. You would OBEY them. Which, demonstrably again, you don’t. And where you would go or not, if of no concern to me. If you loved your neighbor, you would seek to help Ron. You have failed to do so. That speaks volumes. And you quote scriptures that contradict your initial untruth about God not being God the Almighty. How can God be the only way to His own father? GOD IS THE FATHER. Jesus and God being “one” means that they are of the same purpose, NOT THE SAME PERSON. Jesus said he and his apostles are “one”. Does that mean that Jesus is all of his own apostles? Or that all of his own apostles are Jesus? OF COURSE NOT. You present absolutely NO ARGUMENT AT ALL. You severely contradict yourself. You repeat lies about God, Jesus, and God’s word, and you lie about God’s servants. Is that loving God, or your neighbor? Most CERTAINLY not.

          • Leigh

            Emery. Ron is my friend and brother in Christ and I am hear to tell you that your lies spoken against him are despicable. I pray you will leave this blog for good. We as true believers in Christ have done our job. It’s up to the Holy Spirit now to plant that seed of conviction in your heart. So please take your JW nonsense and leave. Go find a JW blog and stop filling these comment sections with falseness and heresy.

          • Emery

            Leigh;
            I’ve not written ONE LIE about ANYONE, or about ANYTHING on this, or any other blog, EVER in my life. And your prayers should remain PRIVATE. Between YOU, and God. I don’t want to know what they are, and neither should anyone else. IT’S PRIVATE. God’s spirit doesn’t need to “plant that seed of conviction in my heart” either. As a committed, dedicated, and integrity keeping servant of God the Almighty, I am where God wants me to be, and I shall stay there. And Leigh, I don’t take orders or commands from men, much less someone I don’t know on a PUBLIC BLOG, as to where to go and what to do. You sure take a LOT of ungranted priveleges in making such demands, and making such commands. And Leigh, I have NEVER “filled” or posted ANY comment sections with ANY falseness OR heresy, EVER IN MY LIFE. Since you cling to fake religion, and believe all the lies thereof, how can you presume to have any idea what is truth and what is not? You don’t rely on God for such truth apparently, you rely ON MEN. I, on the other hand, keep my integrity, and RELY SOLELY ON GOD. If you ever tried that, you would soon see the benefits of doing so. I HIGHLY recommend it.

            And yes, Ron has a COMPLETE OBSESSION with attacking God’s servants. One that he CANNOT stop if he tried, or so it seems. And I’m beginning to think more are like that than meets the eye Leigh. Are you one also?

            I’ve spent my ENTIRE ADULT LIFE studying God’s word, beginning in the mid 1970’s in college, learning how to translate ancient Hebrew, and ancient Koine Greek. Those are the languages of the scriptures. I checked over three dozen English translations to see if they match the ancient 16,000 texts that exist. NONE DO. And you claim YOU know what’s true? Not hardly Leigh. You’re not even that old. I studied with almost three dozen religions to see what they believe. None teach the same thing. NONE teach the scriptures, and what they do teach, is inaccurate. And after 40 years of that translating, and studying, I found an organization that DOES know and teach the truth. And YOU think you’re more educated, smarter, and closer to God? Think again Leigh. I OBEY HIS EVERY COMMAND. Your post shows you don’t. You think you take in ACCURATE information daily, about God, AS HE COMMANDED US ALL TO DO. Not possible if you use the same Bible as Ron. And you presume to pretend to be high and mighty and righteous and close to God? Presume again, because you missed the mark. God COMMANDED us to “flee” from all religions of man. I did, 45 years ago. You NEVER did. God said that those who stick with those religions, are UNBELIEVERS. I am a believer Leigh. A very STRONG and integrity keeping believer. I KNOW God’s word, forward and back, inside and out. And you?

          • Dianne

            Dear Emery,
            For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. 1 Corinthians 2:16

            For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulders; And his name shall be Wonderful Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, the EVERLASTING FATHER, the Prince of peace. Isaiah 9:6

            But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually DISCERNED. 1 Corinthians 2:14

            Dear Emery,
            I am TRULY praying to the LORD JESUS CHRIST on your behalf. I have asked HIM to send the PERFECT LABORERS into your life. If HE answers my prayers for your deliverance from the Spirit of Error I hope to be one of the first in line in heaven to give you a big ole bear hug.

            Sincerely,
            Dianne

          • Ron

            There you go again you big fat lying hypocrite……

            THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND GOD THE FATHER SEVERELY

            REBUKE YOU EMERY FOR ALL YOUR LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            EMERY QUOTE:”And Leigh, I don’t take orders or commands from men, much less someone I don’t know on a PUBLIC BLOG, as to where to go and what to do. You sure take a LOT of ungranted priveleges in making such demands, and making such commands.”
            :EMERY UNQUOTE

            ITS ALWAYS YOUR WAY BUT NO ONE ELSE CAN SAY ANYTHING JUST LIKE YOU WANT ME BANNED FROM HERE BUT YOU DON’T TAKE ORDERS FROM LEIGH???????

            YOU ARE THE BIGGEST HYPOCRITE AND LIAR I HAVE EVER SEEN EVEN WHEN FACED WITH YOUR OWN POSTS

            YOU ARE SUCH A HYPOCRITE

            YOU CAN’T OR “WON’T” SEE WHAT YOU WROTE IS A LYING HYPOCRISY YOU CHILD OF SATAN!

            WELL LET ME REFRESH YOUR MEMORY ………………….

            DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT WRITE THIS EMERY???????????????????????????????????????????

            EMERY QUOTE:”You actually ATTACK those who serve

            and obey God,

            and who do His ENTIRE will,

            all day, every day.

            Something clearly,

            YOU DO NOT DO.

            Stop the hypocrisy.”:EMERY ENDQUOTE OF COURSE YOU WROTE IT

            THAT IS THE BIGGEST LIE YOU HAVE SAID AS IF THE WHOLE JEHOVAH WITNESSES ARE PERFECT AND NEVER SIN

            YOU LIE

            AND THIS ABOUT RICK……………………………………………………………………….

            EMERY QUOTE:”You’re supposed to be God’s servant,

            yet you refuse to do so. You exceed the speed limit.

            Roll through yellow lights, look at pretty women with lust,

            watch bang bang shootem up movies,

            drink probably too much, and many other things God forbids.

            You have no authority to make these false claims

            about God’s servants, or God’s inspired word.

            As I said, it shows your true character,

            and it’s not a good character Rick.

            We all LIVE by what God’s word teaches. You, do not.

            We OBEY all of God’s commands. CLEARLY, you do not.

            We OBEY everything the scriptures teach, clearly you do not.

            We remain no part of the world and clearly, you do not”: EMERY END QUOTE

            HOW MANY PEOPLE SEE EMERY’S HYPOCRISY AND THE
            SAME AS THE SCRIPTURE ABOUT THE PHARISEE AND

            THE PUBLICAN…….

            Luke 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

            Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

            LUKE 18:11 HAS YOUR NAME WRITTEN ALL OVER IT
            EMERY, YOU BIG FAT LYING HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!!!

            Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. ( EMERY BOASTING AGAIN!)

            Luke 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

            Luke 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

            GOD JUSTIFIED THE PUBLICAN AND CONDEMNED THE

            PHARISEE (EMERY)

            24 JULY 2016 at 9:58 pm

            QUOTE EMERY:”People JUST LIKE YOU killed God’s only begotten son, Jesus, the messiah of God. And for no good reason. THEY did it over money. You do it simply for HATRED.”:END QUOTE EMERY

            ONLY JEHOVAH WITNESSES ACCORDING TO EMERY WERE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR CHRIST’S DEATH.

            ACCORDING TO EMERY

            ONLY WE

            WHO “ARE NOT” JEHOVAH WITNESSES

            ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR KILLING JESUS CHRIST!

            THE JW’S ARE PERFECT THEY HAD NOTHING TO

            DO WITH IT.

            BUT HOW COULD THEY SINCE THEY DENY WHO HE
            REALLY IS AND THAT IS GOD.

            IF EVERYONE TAKE NOTICE EMERY WILL NEVER USE

            THE WORDS JESUS and CHRIST TOGETHER

            AND DEFINITELY WILL NEVER CALL

            JESUS CHRIST LORD!!!!

            CAUGHT IN MORE OF YOU OWN LIES EMERY

            WHEN WILL YOUR TONGUE FALL OFF?

            EMERY THE LIAR EMERY THE HYPOCRITE.

            JUST EXPOSING EMERY “FOR ALL HIS LYING HYPOCRISY”

            THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND GOD THE FATHER SEVERELY

            REBUKE YOU EMERY FOR ALL YOUR LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Ron

      I agree Diane.

      You see my inbox used to be filled with ONE HALF TO THREE QUARTERS of Emery’s e-mails.

      he can unsubscribe I have given him the address to unsubscribe from NTEB If you have read what I posted he just doesn’t like

      being caught doing exactly what God’s says about sin ( saying he has none and therefor makes him a liar) and

      The praying publican and Pharisee which he did with rick ( I am not like you rick I am so perfect )

      here is the unsubscribe address for him again. He is so blind he can’t even see his own errors.

      https://subscribe.wordpress.com/

      have you ever noticed Emery never has one kind word for anyone yet he will use scripture to refute our attitude toward him.

      Emery The Hypocrite and Liar. ( this is in reply to you Dianne so he only has to blame himself if he shows up to comment!)

      God Bless You Dianne!

      • Dianne

        Hello Brother Ron,
        I have indeed been reading your posts to Emery. They have given me the best ‘ chuckle’ of the day! But as usual his hissing and venomous replies has come without RESTRAINT.

        God Bless you too!

  • FWIW Emery is also a false prophet. He/She? said that I bought new cars, and I’ve never owned one. Accused me of being unfaithful to my wife, not true. Said that JW don’t teach “theocratic warfare” yet I’ve shown via the Watchtower’s own words that they do.

    • Ron

      rick just read the prayer of the publican and the Pharisee

      I read what he said to you and he is that Pharisee doesn’t this sound just like EMERY……..

      THE PUBLICAN…….

      Luke 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee (EMERY), and the other a publican.

      Luke 18:11 The Pharisee (EMERY) stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

      LUKE 18:11 HAS YOUR NAME WRITTEN ALL OVER IT
      EMERY, YOU BIG FAT LYING HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!!!

      Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. ( EMERY BOASTING AGAIN!)

      Luke 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

      Luke 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

      GOD JUSTIFIED THE PUBLICAN AND CONDEMNED THE

      PHARISEE (EMERY). HE MADE CLAIMS AGAINST YOU JUST LIKE THAT PHARISEE DID ABOUT THE PUBLICAN!

      don’t sweat it rick we all know what emery is made of if you want to silence his garbage post his hypocrisy and lies every time he posts.

      Blessings!

    • Emery

      Rick;
      You have told an ASTOUNDING pile of lies in your post. I ASKED you how many of those things you did, I did not say you DID them. Since you only listed a couple things, does it mean all the other things I ASKED you about you do on a regular basis? Probably so.

      And Rick, I am NO kind of “prophet” false or otherwise. And no, you’ve shown nothing at all. EXCEPT that you spend a tremendous amount of time and effort ATTACKING God’s servants, RATHER than studying and applying God’s inspired word. Meaning that you DON’T OBEY GOD’S COMMANDS. He commanded us to take in ACCURATE information about Him DAILY. Instead, you take in and disseminate FALSE INFORMATION about Him, His word, His son, AND HIS SERVANTS.

      It amazes me how many of you all disobey God and know very little, if anything at all about His inspired word. it also amazes me how many false things you teach and preach about Him and His son and His word and His servants. This only proves that you don’t know His word, or you wouldn’t do ANY of those things. It proves you are NOT Christian as God’s word describes Christians, and it proves conclusively that you disobey God by being involved with FALSE RELIGION against God’s commands. This is proven difinitively by your posts, since ONLY RELIGIONS teach such lies about God. His inspired word sure doesn’t. MEN teach those lies, in the churches of those fake religions. Men INVENTED those lies, having adopted them from PAGANDOM long after Jesus’ death. All of what you believe, teach, and preach, was NOT known or believed in the first century, when Jesus walked the Earth, and when the scriptures WERE WRITTEN. They had to be RE-WRITTEN by men subsequent to the first century. And God’s word specifically says that if ANYONE adds or takes away ONE WORD of scripture, then that one is GOD’S ENEMY. Meaning also, anyone who adheres to those added or taken away words, IS ALSO GOD’S ENEMY. which also means the complete destruction of those enemies. If you’d EVER studied God’s word, as we are COMMANDED TO DO, you would know these things. It’s ALL in the scriptures for everyone to see. Instead, you all believe men over God, obey men over God, worship men and the KJV over God, and think God is His own son, and that Jesus is his own father. HOW ABSURD IS THAT!!! It amazes me how any so-called intelligent person could believe such a pack of falsehoods THAT CAME FROM OTHER MEN, not from God. You should ALL be very ashamed of yourselves, but that’s your business. You were given the choice to love and obey God, or not to. Unfortunately, you all chose NOT TO.

      • Emery-

        “I’m sure you vote, show off your new car, brag, look at other women you’re not married to, have sex with women you’re not married to, cheat on time, taxes, sales, tell little white lies, watch entertainment God hates, and a million OTHER things we’re not supposed to do, as God’s word TELLS us these things.”

        Here’s another one-
        “You’re supposed to be God’s servant, yet you refuse to do so. You exceed the speed limit. Roll through yellow lights, look at pretty women with lust, watch bang bang shootem up movies, drink probably too much, and many other things God forbids.”

        In case English is your second language, what appears above are a statements, and not questions. Do you see any QUESTION marks at the end of your sentences? I will bet you $100,000 that you can’t prove that I ever owned a new car. I will bet you another $100,000 that you can’t prove that in the past 30 years I haven’t had more than 4 alcoholic drinks in a one month period. Many Kingdom Halls have more than a few men who drink that much in a day. Before you say that my last claim is a lie, I bet you $100,000 that I can show you a JW elder who drinks that much in a day. He’s a guy that I’ve known for about a decade, and he doesn’t hide his love of booze, even on the web site he owns. Oh, and I’ll bet you another $100,000 that you can’t prove that I’ve ever had an affair in my 25+ years of marriage.

        Do you count your work here as “service” hours?
        I sometimes go door to door as well. **Not that it’s required for salvation.

        • Emery

          2 Timothy 4:4 I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his manifestation and his Kingdom: 2 Preach the word; be at it urgently in favorable times and difficult times; reprove, reprimand, exhort, with all patience and art of teaching. 3 For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. 4 They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories. 5 You, though, keep your senses in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelizer, fully accomplish your ministry.

          Matthew 24:14 And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

          Jesus taught the first of the annointed 144,000 how to preach. Jesus took them and went from town to town, and from door to door, and said they are all to continue to do the same to fulfill prophecy

          James 2:20 But do you care to know, O empty man, that faith without works is useless?

          26 Indeed, just as the body without spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

      • “Emery 25 July 2016
        Rick;
        You have told an ASTOUNDING pile of lies in your post. I ASKED you how many of those things you did, I did not say you DID them.”

        For those who tuned in late, let’s look at the “questions” Emery ASKED.

        Emery’s words to me- “You’re supposed to be God’s servant, yet you refuse to do so. You exceed the speed limit. Roll through yellow lights, look at pretty women with lust, watch bang bang shootem up movies, drink probably too much, and many other things God forbids.

        There’s more from Emery to me –
        “You are a hypocrite Rick. I’m sure you vote, show off your new car, brag, look at other women you’re not married to, have sex with women you’re not married to, cheat on time, taxes, sales, tell little white lies, watch entertainment God hates, and a million OTHER things we’re not supposed to do, as God’s word TELLS us these things.”

        Emery, in case English isn’t your native language, the above sentences are clearly “statements” and not “questions”. In case you want to believe that you asked questions, look at your punctuation. No question marks.

        Emery, for the sake of JW’s everywhere, I recommend that you humble yourself, admit that you are a sinner who occasionally doesn’t tell the truth (as is evidenced here), and ask for our forgiveness. Otherwise visitors here will continue to think that JW’s are arrogant, prideful, and won’t admit their mistakes. You will win few converts when you have those character traits.

  • Leigh

    Emery was your post supposed to impress me? I’m sorry but for all that studying you have done and yet you still arrive at the wrong conclusion is probaly one of the saddest things ever. You are a lost soul. I pity you. We all do.

  • Speak the truth in love.

  • Leonard

    Emorrhoid, are you lying about the King James Bible AGAIN? The word “stupid” appears nowhere in it, unless of course, you’ve written your own name on the flyleaf. Where’s the proof you claim to have about the alleged corruption of the King James Bible? You’re just another lying Jehovah’s False Witness, I guess. Nothing new there…

  • Emery

    Quote from the headline of this article: “How do the Jehovah’s Witnesses justify these unbiblical doctrines? First, they claim that the church has corrupted the Bible over the centuries; thus, they have re-translated the Bible into what they call the New World Translation. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society altered the text of the Bible to make it fit their false doctrine, rather than basing their doctrine on what the Bible actually teaches. The New World Translation has gone through numerous editions, as the Jehovah’s Witnesses discover more and more Scriptures that contradict their doctrines.”

    God’s witnesses justify NO “unbiblical doctrines” at all, and haven’t in the past. They claim the “church” corrupted the Bible, or so YOU claim. They don’t “claim” any such thing. You also “claim” they’ve re-translated God’s word. That’s true. They’ve RESTORED God’s word to it’s original teachings, word for word, as the ancient 16,000 existent texts read, and put it into MODERN ENGLISH. Your “claim” that they’ve “altered the text of the Bible to make it fit their false doctrine” is nothing short of a COMPLETE lie. No, they alter their beliefs to match the inspired word of God, not the other way around, ever. If God’s witnesses have false doctrine, then you are claiming God’s inspired word is “false doctrine”, since that’s what they all believe. God’s word, nothing more, and nothing less. You say “rather than basing their doctrine on what the Bible actually teaches”. Again, this is nothing short of a complete lie. Everything God’s witnesses believe comes ONLY from the inspired word of God. You are mistaking false translations that contain tens of thousands of mistranslated words to be the inspired word of God. The KJV has over 20,000 such mistranslated words. It does NOT represent the inspired word of God. Your mistake is in thinking the KJV IS the inspired word of God. Jehovah God inspired NOT translations of His word. His inspiration was to write the scriptures in ancient Koine Greek, and ancient Hebrew before that, NOT to write translations of those languages. The falsely translated Bibles of today are not inspired by God. They are CREATED by men, who make those changes to fit their religions and their beliefs. The KJV, for example, was created by James the First, a King in the sixth and seventh centuries. God’s word was inspired ENDING in the late first century. James was the head of the Church of England, and his Bible was designed to reflect that church’s beliefs, NOT GOD’S INSPIRED WORD. You claim the NWT has undergone “numerous editions”, and claim that they “discover more and more scriptures that contradict their doctrines”. Again, more absolute lies. The NWT has undergone three revisions. The KJV, however, has undergone OVER A DOZEN revisions, one of such was to remove the APOCRYPHA. The Apocrypha are UN-INSPIRED BOOKS that were ADDED by James the First. The NWT, however, seeks to put God’s word into MODERN ENGLISH, and to ACCURATELY reflect the original ancient texts from which all Bibles are translated.

    Since your so-called “article” about Jehovah God’s witnesses was not written using first hand accurate information, but was plagerized from another falsely written article, one cannot in all honesty think that anything in this article is any more than an absurd attempt at disparaging God’s servants, and the inspired word of God. Attacking God’s servants, or His word, is an attack on God. This is nothing new. In the first century, those who did what you are doing today, are no different from you Geoffrey. Then, they killed God’s son. Today, if you could, you would harm God’s servants. Many have been killed over the centuries. Prophets, servants, Christ’s disciples and apostles, and so on. Nothing changes, does it.

  • This is clearly erroneous information based on the false contribution by the Jehovah’s Witnesses that Charles Taze Russell would have created their denomination, which he did not.

    The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society did not altered the text of the Bible to make it fit their doctrine. You perhaps want to see your doctrine everywhere told, but forget that non of the bibles teaches the Trinity in which you seem to believe. Therefore we could turn it over that your denomination chose not to follow or basing their doctrine on what the Bible actually teaches.

    The New World Translation has gone through numerous editions but they never changed it so that as you claim “the Jehovah’s Witnesses discover more and more Scriptures that contradict their doctrines”. We are no JW but honour who becomes honour, they made very good literal translations in lots of languages.

    For sure you should recognise that their teaching that Jesus is the son of God is not false, though lots of churches teaches wrongly that Jesus is a god son.

    Please do not give false information and recognise also the places where they are right in their vision though many main churches may be wrong.

    • Emery

      Belgian Biblestudents – Belgische Bijbelstudenten;
      EVERYTHING you said here is completely true and accurate, however, most of those on this blog, and on this web site believe mistakenly that they are “born again”, in other words, they believe they are annointed with holy spirit, which they couldn’t possibly be according to God’s word, the Bible. They will ATTACK you mercilessly, lie about you, and invent things about you and your comments until they’re blue in the face. They are not honest, kind, Christ like, nor do they obey any of God’s commandments. It’s not safe for you to post here. They have done those things to me for a long time now. Made things up, attacked me and lied about me, lied about my comments, and lied about the scriptures I’ve posted, and they won’t stop. They’re behavior is very petty and abhorrent. Please don’t be discouraged by what they say and do to you, and what they post. They are all worldly and according to God’s word, all unbelievers and all part of false religion, which they acknowledge. May the undeserved kindness of Jehovah God always be yours my brothers.

  • Hey Emery, are you going to tell Belgian Biblestudents how you lied about me, got caught, and yet lied again by saying that you haven’t lied on any blog? Or, tell Belgian Student how you couldn’t humble yourself to apologize. Or the lie about WTBTS not having a teaching about “theocratic warfare”? Even though I showed you in WT material that the teaching exists? Or your accusations about my various sins? Sins that you lied about?

    Go ahead Belgian. Read this post for yourself and see the “humble” spirit of your fellow witness. Hopefully at least on of you will admit the mistakes before more damage is done to the JW reputation. That’s one of my issues with WT leadership, they rarely admit to their mistakes. It excuses and more excuses, and their masses just nod their little heads, as the not-so-faithful slave tries to find “new light” to cover their miscues. Politicians lack credibility when they get caught in their lies. So do JW’s, and every other person who isn’t humble enough to admit their mistakes.

  • Emery

    Since God has had witnesses for thousands of years, the first of which He mentiones in His inspired word being Abel’s blood, all the prophets, priests of the temple (Aaronic priests) and those who followed Jesus, and those of the Christian congregation which Jesus created the night before his death, God chose to say in His word that anyone opposing anything to do with Him, Jesus, God’s word, and God’s servants on Earth are antichrist. This article opposes God’s word and God’s servants.

    The subject was not new among the Christians when John wrote his letters (c. 98 C.E.). First John 2:18 states: “Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard that antichrist [Gr., an·tiʹkhri·stos] is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists; from which fact we gain the knowledge that it is the last hour.” John’s statement shows that there are many individual antichrists, though all together they may form a composite person designated “the antichrist.” (2Jo 7) The use of the expression “hour” as referring to a period of time, either relatively brief or of undetermined length, is exemplified in other writings of John. (See Joh 2:4; 4:21-23; 5:25, 28; 7:30; 8:20; 12:23, 27.) He thus did not restrict the appearance, existence, and activity of such antichrist to some future time only but showed that the antichrist was then present and would continue on.—1Jo 4:3.
    Identification. Although there has been much effort in the past to identify “the antichrist” with an individual, such as Pompey, Nero, or Muhammad (this latter person being suggested by Pope Innocent III in 1213 C.E.), or with a specific organization, as in the Protestant view of “the antichrist” as applying to the papacy, John’s inspired statements show the term to be broad in its application, embracing all those who deny that “Jesus is the Christ,” and who deny that Jesus is the Son of God who came “in the flesh.”—1Jo 2:22; 4:2, 3; 2Jo 7, NE, NIV; compare Joh 8:42, 48, 49; 9:22.
    Denial of Jesus as the Christ and as the Son of God of necessity embraces the denial of any or all of the Scriptural teachings concerning him: his origin, his place in God’s arrangement, his fulfillment of the prophecies in the Hebrew Scriptures as the promised Messiah, his ministry and teachings and prophecies, as well as any opposition to or efforts to replace him in his position as God’s appointed High Priest and King. This is evident from other texts, which, while not using the term “antichrist,” express essentially the same idea. Thus, Jesus stated: “He that is not on my side is against me, and he that does not gather with me scatters.” (Lu 11:23) Second John 7 shows that such ones might act as deceivers, and hence the “antichrist” would include those who are “false Christs” and “false prophets,” as well as those who perform powerful works in Jesus’ name and yet are classed by him as “workers of lawlessness.”—Mt 24:24; 7:15, 22, 23.
    In view of Jesus’ rule that what is done to his true followers is done to him (Mt 25:40, 45; Ac 9:5), the term must include those who persecute such ones, which means it would include the symbolic “Babylon the Great.”—Lu 21:12; Re 17:5, 6.
    John specifically mentions apostates as among those of the antichrist by referring to those who “went out from us,” abandoning the Christian congregation. (1Jo 2:18, 19) It therefore includes “the man of lawlessness” or “son of destruction” described by Paul, as well as the “false teachers” Peter denounces for forming destructive sects and who “disown even the owner that bought them.”—2Th 2:3-5; 2Pe 2:1

    Kingdoms, nations, and organizations are similarly shown to be part of the antichrist in the symbolic description at Revelation 17:8-15; 19:19-21.—Compare Ps 2:1, 2.
    In all the above cases those composing the antichrist are shown to be headed for eventual destruction as a recompense for their opposing course.

    So writing such articles as the one Geoffrey plagiarized in writing this article, and all who have attacked Jehovah’s witnesses and servants are, according to God’s word, part of the antichrist mentioned in His word, and are headed for destruction as a recompense for their opposition to God, Jesus, God’s word, and God’s servants. And I assume many of you are quite aware of this, yet still continue your attacks. Such attacks violate ALL of God’s commands. They violate ALL of the teachings of Jesus as to how man is to interact with man, and how man is to behave. 1 John 5:3 For this is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments; and yet his commandments are not burdensome
    So not obeying God means not loving God. Antichrists do not obey God, and therefore cannot love Him. Attacking God’s servants means disobeying God, and means not loving God. Praying to God, in Jesus’ name, for forgiveness, and then repenting, will help to reverse the damage to one’s self that these attacks cause. Learning all of the will of God, and then performing it, in other words, OBEYING all of God’s commands (and those of His son, Jesus, since everything Jesus did or said was FROM his Father, since the Father SENT Jesus in God’s behalf) will also go a very long way to drawing close to God. James 4:7 Therefore, subject yourselves to God; but oppose the Devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you.

    If we become God’s friend, we might get saved.

  • Another dodge by Emery who simply won’t admit that he/she lied. Who is the father of lies? The deceiver of the brethren? Instead of showing humility, he/she does a cut and paste from Watchtower online about the antichrist. Classic “theocratic warfare”.

    But I’ll play along. Are you sure that the JW are “God’s servants”? Or, could you be the ones attacking the true servants of YHWH? Anyone can say they are “God’s servants”, but of course that doesn’t make it so. Show me from scripture that Jehovah’s Witnesses are “God’s servants”. JUST SCRIPTURES please!!!! Should be easy enough, don’t you think? Post the scriptures please, and we will humbly look them up (at least I will).

    • Emery

      I previously told you I WILL NOT communicate with you, because you lie, attack, and abuse. And I meant it.

  • From Emery – “So writing such articles as the one Geoffrey plagiarized in writing this article…”

    Emery, much of what you posted above is plagiarized from Watchtower material. Yet, you accused Geoffrey of plagiarizing his article. Can you help me understand how it’s bad for him to cut and paste the words of others (assuming he did), but it is okay for you to do it?

    I seem to be detecting a double standard.

  • Emery, please let me what are the lies that I told? I will humbly apologize to you, and repent before YHWH.

    • Ron

      You have not lied Rick ( I know you are a JW,but unlike Emery you are honest he lies!)

      Emery is a Liar and let me quote his most famous post! I kept it in a file!

      23 JULY 2016 AT 7:27 PM EMERY’S POST

      A BIBLE BELIEVER LOOKS AT THE CULT TEACHINGS OF THE JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES

      http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/bible-believer-looks-cult-teaching-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-1425178

      WHAT A LIAR YOU ARE EMERY, YOU LIE AND LIE AND LIE SOME MORE

      SPOUTING OFF YOUR DUNG:

      EMERY QUOTE:”You actually ATTACK those who serve

      and obey God,

      and who do His ENTIRE will,

      all day, every day.

      Something clearly,

      YOU DO NOT DO.

      Stop the hypocrisy.”:EMERY ENDQUOTE

      THAT IS THE BIGGEST LIE YOU HAVE SAID AS IF THE WHOLE JEHOVAH WITNESSES ARE PERFECT AND NEVER SIN

      YOU LIE YOU LIE YOU BIG FAT LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      HOW DARE YOU MAKE YOUR FLESHY SELF EQUAL TO GOD, ALL OF YOU IN PERFECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      LIAR LIAR LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      MY NAME IS EMERY AND ME MY JW’S ARE AS PERFECT AS GOD WE DON’T SIN! LIAR, LIAR, LIAR

      YOU TOTALLY BLASPHEME GOD BY MAKING SUCH CLAIMS

      1 John 1:8 IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE NO SIN,

      WE DECEIVE OURSELVES, AND THE TRUTH “IS NOT IN US”. THAT IS YOU RIGHT NOW EMERY YOU BIG FAT LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND GOD THE FATHER SEVERELY

      REBUKE YOU EMERY FOR ALL YOUR LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      EMERY QUOTE:”You’re supposed to be God’s servant,

      yet you refuse to do so. You exceed the speed limit.

      Roll through yellow lights, look at pretty women with lust,

      watch bang bang shootem up movies,

      drink probably too much, and many other things God forbids.

      You have no authority to make these false claims

      about God’s servants, or God’s inspired word.

      As I said, it shows your true character,

      and it’s not a good character Rick.

      We all LIVE by what God’s word teaches. You, do not.

      We OBEY all of God’s commands. CLEARLY, you do not.

      We OBEY everything the scriptures teach, clearly you do not.

      We remain no part of the world and clearly, you do not”: EMERY END QUOTE

      HOW MANY PEOPLE SEE EMERY’S HYPOCRISY AND THE
      SAME AS THE SCRIPTURE ABOUT THE PHARISEE AND

      THE PUBLICAN…….

      Luke 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

      Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

      LUKE 18:11 HAS YOUR NAME WRITTEN ALL OVER IT
      EMERY, YOU BIG FAT LYING HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!!!

      Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. ( EMERY BOASTING AGAIN!)

      Luke 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

      Luke 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

      GOD JUSTIFIED THE PUBLICAN AND CONDEMNED THE

      PHARISEE (EMERY)

      YES THESE 5 SCRIPTURES ARE ABOUT YOU EMERY

      CONDEMNING EVERYONE ELSE YOU LYING HYPOCRITE!!!

      EMERY’S NEWEST LIE…..

      SAME NTEB POST DIFFERENT TIME

      24 JULY 2016 at 9:58 pm

      People JUST LIKE YOU killed God’s only begotten son, Jesus, the messiah of God. And for no good reason. THEY did it over money. You do it simply for HATRED.

      ONLY JEHOVAH WITNESSES ACCORDING TO EMERY WERE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR CHRIST’S DEATH.

      ACCORDING TO EMERY

      ONLY WE

      WHO “ARE NOT” JEHOVAH WITNESSES

      ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR KILLING JESUS CHRIST!

      THE JW’S ARE PERFECT THEY HAD NOTHING TO

      DO WITH IT.

      BUT HOW COULD THEY SINCE THEY DENY WHO HE
      REALLY IS AND THAT IS GOD.

      IF EVERYONE TAKE NOTICE EMERY WILL NEVER USE

      THE WORDS JESUS and CHRIST TOGETHER

      AND DEFINITELY WILL NEVER CALL

      JESUS CHRIST LORD!!!!

      CAUGHT IN MORE OF YOU OWN LIES EMERY

      WHEN WILL YOUR TONGUE FALL OFF?

      EMERY THE LIAR EMERY THE HYPOCRITE.

  • I’m not a JW, have never been one, and only ventured into a kingdom hall one time, for work.

    • Ron

      I apologize Rick the way you seemed to talk to Emery before I thought you were my bad I hope you will accept it.

      I see Emery as The “JW Urkel” in that you copy and paste and show him his words that he wrote and that the Scriptures that point out

      what he really is, and when he receives a response from anyone with what he wrote, he most likely says similar to “Steve Urkel”

      “DID I WRITE THAT?” And then continues on responding to anyone that wrote him and acting “TOTALLY OBLIVIOUS”

      to what HE HIMSELF WROTE.

      HE IS DEFINITELY REPROBATE IN HIS MIND AND MAYBE EVEN DURANGED.

      Have a Nice Day, and unlike Emery I am sorry!

      • Thanks Ron, but no problem. I respect JW’s as a whole. Don’t agree with them theologically, and it breaks my heart when they quit using their basic reasoning skills, falling for the deception of their leaders. Twisting words. For example, you might say, “Charles Russell, your founder, was buried at grave bearing pagan symbols.” They will say that Jesus was the founder, which is silly. They will also say that his grave doesn’t have pagan symbols on it (which is technically correct, but there is a nearby marker Russell’s grave that contains pagan symbols.)

        They wouldn’t even like to call their leadership “leaders” insisting that they don’t follow men, but the Lord. Then, the leaders get things wrong, do a 180 on topics like: Christmas, birthdays, chess, blood, and even their own way to become a JW… And, more are coming…

        https://ad1914.com/2014/04/20/new-important-doctrinal-changes-in-march-15th-watchtower-study-edition-explained-clarified/

        Any humble, person would see through the smoke and mirrors, yet they are told not to question, and have faith in the men who lead their organization. Russell didn’t knock on doors, or advocate for it. He celebrated Christmas, Birthdays, missed predictions about the end of the world, etc. But, he taught the “truth”. If a JW believes what Russell taught, they’d be disfellowshipped. YET, they think Russell is going to go to heaven????

        HELLO!?!?!? Would a JW care to show me in scripture how what a person believes doesn’t matter? Or, how the method of salvation changes on a regular basis? This makes no sense to me. How can we possibly know that they are teaching “truth” today, if the “truth” could change in a month or two?

        When a JW comes to your door, they hope that you agree with them about their teaching. However, if you look for the truth outside the teachings of your denomination, you’d be doing, “independent thinking” a practice strictly forbidden of JW’s. And, guess what? Most JW’s haven’t even thought about this double standard (hypocrisy).

        Next time a JW asks you to take their material and read it, ask them who wrote their material. Ask if a former protestant might have written it. They will likely say, “yes”. At that point, tell them “I don’t read apostate material, because that would be like reading spiritual pornography.” That is EXACTLY what they teach about any material you might give them. Double standard? Hypocrisy? If the Bible is against it, it is against it. If it’s wrong for them, it’s wrong for you. Everyone would be trapped in their religion.

        JW’s, please understand that “humble” and “gullible” are not synonyms. Do yourself a big favor and look up those two definitions. Next time something doesn’t seem quite right about a teaching, or “new light”, humbly search the word of YHWH. Use a few different translations. Don’t gullibly accept it.

        • Ron

          Hi Rick. Since JW’s think their way is the only way every time I confront them I ask them if They know 1st John Chapter 4 verses 1 to 3

          Then I ask them:

          “Do You Believe God’s Word says?”

          “They will reply they do.”

          Then I quote them:

          “1 John 4:1-3 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God:

          because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God:

          Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

          And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist,

          whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

          Then I say to them word for word:

          “I Confess That Jesus is Come In The Flesh!”

          Then I ask them:

          “Now Lets Hear Your Confession for you are either for God or against Him there is no middle of the road”

          They will remain silent all the time and many times will turn red faced.

          I then tell them you do not know God based on this Scripture alone.

          The rest I leave up to God because now the wheels are set in motion that shows a non JW knows God and they don’t.

          Unless They ask questions about this which are not an attempt misconstrue the meaning of what God Said then I will respond

          otherwise if they want to engage the actual meaning of this according to them I will depart.

          Thanks for accepting my apology

          Have a nice evening!

          • Thanks for the info Ron. Will try that next time.

  • Ron

    Rick after you give your confession and their empty one ( and a yes from them is not a confession it must be word for word)

    The Holy Spirit will lead you in any additional responses He wants you to make to them.

    Because as we know every situation is different when God’s Light of His Word has exposed the darkness, and what He wants us to do next.

    Blessings!

  • Emery

    Wow you sure are misled. The members of the society do not think “their way is the only way”, they believe that God’s way is the only way, and that’s the way they all believe, teach, preach, and live by. God’s first command to be His witnesses is found in Isaiah, and He has maintained such witnesses to this day. Now, as then, all who adhere to what God commands us to keep away from, religions of man, revile God’s witnesses and servants, as well as His prophets way back then. Those like you even killed His son, Jesus. It will remain that way until God sends Jesus to exterminate all who are antichrist. In other words, all who oppose God, Jesus, God’s word, and God’s servants, or who teach falsehoods about any of these, like you do. EXACTLY like you do.

  • Ron

    Emery you are the “Steve Urkel” of the JW’s

    where as Steve Urkel says “Did I do that”

    You are most famous for ignoring your posts because when anyone quotes what you wrote and it shows up in your e-mail from NTEB

    You most likely say to yourself “DID I SAY THAT?”

    THEN YOU CONTINUE ON IGNORING YOUR OWN COMMENTS AND THE SCRIPTURES THAT CONDEMN YOUR VERY POST!

    THEN YOU COME BACK AT THE PERSON WHO POSTED SOMETHING ABOUT YOU ACTING AS THOUGH YOU NEVER SAID

    THOSE THINGS!

    YOU ARE A LIAR EMERY DO YOU WANT “MY FAVORITE QUOTE OF YOU EMERY” TO FOLLOW YOU AGAIN?????????????????????????

    I KEEP A COPY FOR WHEN YOU WANT TO TALK FOOLISHNESS.

    OH AND THE ONLY PERSON

    WHO IS MISLED

    IS YOU EMERY.

  • Emery

    No Ron. Steve Urkel is a fictitious character. Emery is a fictitious screen name. Neither refer to actual people. Most people do use screen names because people like you exist. I am not famous for anything at all, And what kind of rediculous comment is “ignoring your own comments and scritures that condemn my every post!”? Makes less sense than most of the other nonsensical posts you continue to author.

    That being said, no I am not a liar Ron. You have made an art form of lying, except it’s not very good art. I don’t “act” either. And no, God didn’t say the person using the screen name Emery is being misled by Satan, He said the “entire inhabited Earth” is being misled by Satan. Proof again that you don’t take any time to understand, or even read God’s inspired word. Proof also that anyone who does use God’s word to warn others is your enemy. So all who obey God are your enemy according to you. Which also shows again that YOU don’t obey God. Of course calling someone a liar is proof of that now, isn’t it. I never want to talk “foolishness” Ron, but you seem to be the author of a great deal of it.

    Now yes, the one true faith as taught by God’s SON, Jesus, IS the only way God approves of. It’s the only real religion that exists, and all are commanded to obey it. You, however, refuse. Of all the witnesses of God who have ever existed, for the past few thousand years, none have escaped the lies and persecution of people like you. All have kept their integrity to God though, something they strive to get you to keep. But keeping any kind of integrity at all seems something impossible for you. God wishes all to attain to repentance, even those like you. In fact, many like you HAVE attained such. Most, however, sadly, have not. Your persistence in attacking God’s servants, and vicariously through them, God, makes it seem as though you want God’s destruction to befall you. If you continue your current path, it surely will. This system of things is about to end, and you and those like you with it. There still exists some time to referse your antichrist course though.

  • Leonard

    So, Emorrhoid, are you stating for the record that you are a fictitious person? That could explain your constant lying. On that subject, where’s the proof you lied about having that the KJV is corrupt–or was that just one more lie from everyone’s favorite lying Jehovah’s False Witness?

  • Ron

    Leonard Too Much! LOL!

    Have a Nice Day!

  • Emery- YHWH is very serious about lying, don’t confuse His grace with His tolerance of your sin.

    From Acts 3:
    5 But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, 2 and with his wife’s knowledge he kept back for himself some of the proceeds and brought only a part of it and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.” 5 When Ananias heard these words, he fell down and breathed his last. And great fear came upon all who heard of it. 6 The young men rose and wrapped him up and carried him out and buried him.

    7 After an interval of about three hours his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 And Peter said to her, “Tell me whether you[a] sold the land for so much.” And she said, “Yes, for so much.” 9 But Peter said to her, “How is it that you have agreed together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Behold, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out.” 10 Immediately she fell down at his feet and breathed her last. When the young men came in they found her dead, and they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11 And great fear came upon the whole church and upon all who heard of these things.

  • Emery

    I don’t lie. We all sin, but I work very hard not to. YOU, however, along with Leonard and others, work VERY HARD TO LIE all the time. Stop bothering me. You have a mental disorder causing you to stalk God’s servants, since you could never become one under your present state of mind. I don’t confuse anything. I don’t need your “advice” on scriptures. I knew more at the age of ten than you know right now at the age of 15. Stop attacking me, stop lying about God, Jesus, God’s word, and God’s servants on Earth. Stop disobeying God in everything you do. Stop bothering me. You are doing nothing but stalking since your mental disorder causes you to do these things. You really should pray, and seek professional help, and suggest the same to Leonard and Ron.

  • Emery, may Jehovah have mercy on your soul.

  • Ron

    Point out the lies we have said Emery, because you have said you and your fellow JW’s are equal to God and without sin

    Do you remember saying that Emery???????????????????????????????

    Let me remind you of what you, THAT IS RIGHT EMERY

    WHAT YOU SAID EMERY OR WILL YOU TRY AND DENY IT??????????????????????????????????????

    THANK GOODNESS THERE IS NO EDIT BUTTON OR YOU WOULD GO AND CORRECT YOUR POSTS TO COVER YOUR TRACKS.

    HERE IT IS EMERY AS SAID BY YOU……………………………………….

    EMERY QUOTE:”You actually ATTACK those who serve

    and obey God,

    and who do His ENTIRE will,

    all day, every day.

    Something clearly,

    YOU DO NOT DO.

    Stop the hypocrisy.”:EMERY ENDQUOTE

    EMERY QUOTE:”You’re supposed to be God’s servant,

    yet you refuse to do so. You exceed the speed limit.

    Roll through yellow lights, look at pretty women with lust,

    watch bang bang shootem up movies,

    drink probably too much, and many other things God forbids.

    You have no authority to make these false claims

    about God’s servants, or God’s inspired word.

    As I said, it shows your true character,

    and it’s not a good character Rick.

    We all LIVE by what God’s word teaches. You, do not.

    We OBEY all of God’s commands. CLEARLY, you do not.

    We OBEY everything the scriptures teach, clearly you do not.

    We remain no part of the world and clearly, you do not”: EMERY END QUOTE

    FOR ALL WHO READ THIS EMERY SAID THOSE THINGS ON HIS

    23 JULY 2016 AT 7:27 PM EMERY’S POST

    SO WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THAT EMERY!

    BY WHAT YOU WROTE YOU HAVE MADE THE JW’S and YOURSELF EQUAL TO GOD AND SINLESS, WHAT BLASPHEMY!

  • Emery

    Point out the lies we have said Emery, because you have said you and your fellow JW’s are equal to God and without sin

    COMPLETE LIE

    Do you remember saying that Emery???????????????????????????????

    Let me remind you of what you, THAT IS RIGHT EMERY

    WHAT YOU SAID EMERY OR WILL YOU TRY AND DENY IT??????????????????????????????????????

    THANK GOODNESS THERE IS NO EDIT BUTTON OR YOU WOULD GO AND CORRECT YOUR POSTS TO COVER YOUR TRACKS.

    COMPLETE LIE.

    HERE IT IS EMERY AS SAID BY YOU……………………………………….

    EMERY QUOTE:”You actually ATTACK those who serve

    and obey God,

    and who do His ENTIRE will,

    all day, every day.

    Something clearly,

    YOU DO NOT DO.

    COMPLETE LIE

    Stop the hypocrisy.”:EMERY ENDQUOTE

    EMERY QUOTE:”You’re supposed to be God’s servant,

    yet you refuse to do so. COMPLETE LIE You exceed the speed limit.

    Roll through yellow lights, look at pretty women with lust,

    watch bang bang shootem up movies,

    drink probably too much, and many other things God forbids.

    You have no authority to make these false claims

    about God’s servants, or God’s inspired word.

    As I said, it shows your true character,

    and it’s not a good character Rick.

    We all LIVE by what God’s word teaches. COMPLETE LIE You, do not. COMPLETE LIE

    We OBEY all of God’s commands. CLEARLY, you do not.

    We OBEY everything the scriptures teach, clearly you do not.

    We remain no part of the world and clearly, you do not”: EMERY END QUOTE

    FOR ALL WHO READ THIS EMERY SAID THOSE THINGS ON HIS

    23 JULY 2016 AT 7:27 PM EMERY’S POST

    SO WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THAT EMERY! IT’S ALL TRUE

    BY WHAT YOU WROTE YOU HAVE MADE THE JW’S and YOURSELF EQUAL TO GOD AND SINLESS, WHAT BLASPHEMY! COMPLETE LIE. GOD DOES NOT DO HIS ENTIRE WILL. HE IS GOD. YOU’RE NOT A RATIONAL PERSON. THE ONLY ONE WHO SAID ANYONE IS “SINLESS” IS YOU. YOU LIE CONSTANTLY AND READ THINGS INTO WHAT ISN’T THERE, ALL THE TIME, WITHOUT FAIL. YOU TWIST THE WORDS OF OTHERS TO MATCH YOUR SICK AND TWISTED AGENDA OF SUPPORTING SATAN AND HIS RULE OF EARTH.

    NOW WHAT PART OF “STOP BOTHERING ME” IS SO DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND? ARE YOU INSANE, DAFT, A STALKER? WHICH IS IT? IT MUST BE ONE OF THEM. STOP BOTHERING ME. YOU DON’T KNOW HOW TO BEHAVE. YOUR BEHAVIOR IS THAT OF A CHILD OR ADOLESCENT. YOUR IGNORING OF ALL OF GOD’S TEACHINGS, ESPECIALLY THE ONE ABOUT LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. SEASON YOUR WORDS WITH SALT. DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO TO YOU. IS THIS AN INDICATION THAT YOU WANT TO BE LIED ABOUT AND ATTACKED AND HAVE YOUR WORDS TWISTED? THE ANSWER MUST BE YES. STOP BOTHERING ME.

  • Ron

    I didn’t lie Emery you are so deranged that even what I have copied and pasted from your own post you claim I have lied about it

    makes you the liar.

    If you don’t want anymore posts from me then be silent and eat the fruit of your own words.

    I have just as much right to respond to you as you do to me, so live with it and stop lying!

  • Emery

    Indeed, you MOST CERTAINLY DID LIE. I indicated each one in your last post. No, I am not deranged. I am not a liar, I don’t lie. Your disagreement of God’s words that I have posted makes you disagree with me, it doesn’t make me a liar. Your disagreement is with the word of God. And you have no authority to tell me or anyone what to do. I haven’t lied, and therefore am unable to stop something I haven’t done. It is you who is lying Ron, and God HATES liars. Proverbs 6:16 There are six things that Jehovah hates;
    Yes, seven things that he detests:
    17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

    Proverbs 12 The one who loves discipline loves knowledge,
    But the one who hates reproof is unreasoning.

    Proverbs 26:24 The one who hates others disguises it with his lips,
    But inside he harbors deceit.

    James 3:13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him by his fine conduct demonstrate works performed with a mildness that comes from wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter jealousy and contentiousness in your hearts, do not be bragging and lying against the truth. 15 This is not the wisdom that comes down from above; it is earthly, animalistic, demonic. 16 For wherever there are jealousy and contentiousness, there will also be disorder and every vile thing.

    Galations 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality, uncleanness, brazen conduct, 20 idolatry, spiritism, hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects, 21 envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and things like these. I am forewarning you about these things, the same way I already warned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s Kingdom.
    22 On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed to the stake the flesh together with its passions and desires.

    Since you see God hates liars, I recommend you stop, and consider praying for God to use his spirit to help you display the fruitage of the spirit. The benefits are countless, but the punishment for failing to do so, is death. Romans 6:23 For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord.

  • Ron

    Always got to have the last word don’t you?

    Why don’t you try living by what you post Emery?

    I only posted what you wrote and you claim you didn’t write it, THAT MAKES YOU A LIAR EMERY!

  • I’m glad JW’s have nothing to do with the world, like sending their kids to public school. That is about the most worldly place that you can send a child. And most kids spend a large chunk of their time in those hyper-secular institutions, learning about evolution, sports, college, porn, birthdays, Christmas, Muslim holidays, profanity, lying, cheating, stealing, etc. Not sure when the “brighter light” came to everyone about sending their kids to those schools, but glad that you made that change.

  • Emery

    No Ron, you didn’t post what I wrote. You RE-WROTE what I posted, and falsely claimed it meant something other than what I posted. THAT IS LYING Ron. And NOTHING “makes me a liar”, SINCE I DON’T LIE. You read something, and perceive something other than what the words say, and then misquote and lie about what you read. That’s dishonest, or it’s a perception problem, or a learning disability. There aren’t really any other possibilities. You are so militantly and dishonestly in defense of your false religion that you would lie and do anything to support and defend it. It doesn’t work with Jehovah God. He sees into your heart. He knows you disobey Him. He knows you lie. He judges based on your heart condition and lack of obedience and lack of faith and adherence to what He commanded you to flee from. Dead is dead though. No matter how many sins against God you commit, you can’t make yourself any MORE dead. Like a light switch. It’s either on, or off. It can’t be degrees of off. Just off.

    It wouldn’t hurt to STUDY the scriptures, comparing EACH SCRIPTURE, TO EACH OTHER SCRIPTURE. Learn what God’s word says. Stop relying on what religions, and others of religion tells you it means. LEARN FOR YOURSELF. Do it like your life depends on it, BECAUSE IT DOES.

  • Leonard

    Emorrhoid, if you have so much time to lie to people on this site, why don’t you stop for awhile, while you dig up the evidence that the KJV is corrupted that you lied about having. It would sure be nice to have a lying Jehovah’s False Witness like yourself actually show the “proof” all of you claim to have…

  • Ron

    I REWROTE NOTHING EMERY I COPIED AND PASTED YOUR PARAGRAPHS EXACTLY

    AS YOU WROTE THEM!

    YOU MEANT WHAT THEY SAID IN THE MANNER YOU EXCLAIMED.

    LET ME REFRESH YOUR MEMORY ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID EMERY…….

    23 JULY 2016 AT 7:27 PM EMERY’S POST

    A BIBLE BELIEVER LOOKS AT THE CULT TEACHINGS OF THE JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES

    http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/bible-believer-looks-cult-teaching-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-1425178

    WHAT A LIAR YOU ARE EMERY, YOU LIE AND LIE AND LIE SOME MORE

    SPOUTING OFF YOUR DUNG:

    EMERY QUOTE:”You actually ATTACK those who serve

    and obey God,

    and who do His ENTIRE will,

    all day, every day.

    Something clearly,

    YOU DO NOT DO.

    Stop the hypocrisy.”:EMERY ENDQUOTE

    THAT IS THE BIGGEST LIE YOU HAVE SAID AS IF THE WHOLE JEHOVAH WITNESSES ARE PERFECT AND NEVER SIN

    YOU LIE YOU LIE YOU BIG FAT LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    HOW DARE YOU MAKE YOUR FLESHY SELF EQUAL TO GOD, ALL OF YOU IN PERFECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    LIAR LIAR LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    MY NAME IS EMERY AND ME MY JW’S ARE AS PERFECT AS GOD WE DON’T SIN! LIAR, LIAR, LIAR

    YOU TOTALLY BLASPHEME GOD BY MAKING SUCH CLAIMS

    1 John 1:8 IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE NO SIN,

    WE DECEIVE OURSELVES, AND THE TRUTH “IS NOT IN US”. THAT IS YOU RIGHT NOW EMERY YOU BIG FAT LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    FOR YOU TO MAKE THE CLAIMS IN THE ABOVE SENTENCES YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE GOD!

    YOU ARE NOT GOD EMERY YOU CLAIM YOU KNOW ALL THE JW’S ARE PERFECT ALL THE TIME EVERYWHERE AND EVERYONE

    OF THEM WHEN DID YOU ATTAIN godhood TO KNOW THAT AND THEN YOU RAKE THE NON JW ACROSS THE COALS

    AS TO KNOWING WHAT HE DOES ALL THE TIME YOU ARE NOT GOD EMERY!

    YOU ARE A BLASPHEMING, LYING, PHARISEE HYPOCRITE EMERY.

    EVERYONE SEES YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE AND NO ONE WANTS TO POST HERE TO HEAR FROM YOU A MILLION TIMES OVER

    WITH YOUR JW LIES!

    THE LORD JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD WHO IS GOD AND HIS FATHER GOD ALMIGHTY AND GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT

    MOST SEVERELY REBUKE AND CHASTISE YOU EMERY!

  • Emery

    Ron;
    Your entire post is nothing but complete, absolute lies. You cannot cover your many previous lies with yet more lies. No “JW” lies exist Ron, only the lies of the religions of man, the religions of Christendom especially, to which you cling like stink on excrement. Jehovah nor His son Jesus rebuke me, ever. They occasionally correct me, as they do all the believers, one of which you most certainly are not. Yet, you PRETEND to be.2 Timothy 3:3 But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, 5 having an appearance of godliness but PROVING FALSE TO IT’S POWER;

  • Emery

    Geoffrey;
    You are quite mistaken. I put faith in no man, and never have. I put faith in Jehovah, and His son, Jesus. As far as your “prophecies”, again, you are mistaken, and the information you are reading is faulty. Very faulty. As the article upon which you based THIS article is faulty. VERY faulty. Read this article: https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/jw-doctrine-changes/

    • Charles Taze Russel is burning in Hell right now…do you really want to join him?

  • Emery

    There are just over 16,000 ancient scriptural and secular texts from which ALL Bibles are translated and assembled into English, and any other language for that matter. In NONE of them does any word translating into “hell” appear. In a Bible that uses that word, they have incorrectly translated Hades, Sheol, and Gehenna into the word “hell”. Hades and Sheol mean common grave of mankind. Gehenna is a metaphor for removal from God’s infinite memory, meaning no resurrection, or the “second death”. Only a small area of Rome in the first century used the word “hell”, and when they did, they used it to describe Hades, or the common grave of mankind. NEVER did it mean some place of fiery torment, except in Dante’s Inferno, and later, in falsely translated Bibles. In fact, God said “it never entered my mind to do that” when referring to torturing anyone. The scriptures also say “the wages sin pays is death”. It DOESN’T say the wages sin pays is death AND eternal torment in a place that doesn’t exist. God’s word ALSO is very clear when telling us that we DON’T HAVE AN IMMORTAL SOUL. It says that we ARE A SOUL when alive and breathing. It says that “the soul that sinneth, it itself SHALL DIE”. How can something immortal die? It cannot. Therefore, Mr. Russel is not in a fictitious place of fiery torment. For a hell to exist as you believe in it, God would necessarily need to cooperate with Satan, in allowing Satan to lead people to sin, and then to take them to hell to torment them. Do you REALLY think God would cooperate with His ENEMY? Not hardly.

    Now as to your question, is that a threat against my life? Are you actually threatening to kill me? If so, I recommend that you don’t do it. Murder is disobedience to God. Love of God means OBEYING HIS COMMANDS. Disobeying His commands means NOT LOVING GOD.

    Many in today’s world claim to love Jesus but fail the test of loyalty. Genuine loyalty to Christ REQUIRES that we share Peter’s view of Jesus’ teachings. We need to learn them, to grasp their meaning, AND TO LIVE BY THEM—even when they surprise us by running contrary to our expectations or personal preferences. ONLY by proving loyal can we hope to attain to the everlasting life that Jesus wants for us.—Read Psalm 97:10.

  • 01e1ngvar

    2 Сorinthians
    4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
    4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
    He will repeat same things even before the White Throne.

  • Emery

    All the crap you read about God’s witnesses is just that, crap. Many oppose them because they represent a threat to their false teachings and false religions. What you read is all false information. You work so hard to find bad things to read about them, but NEVER go to them to find out who and what they are. You don’t go even to their web site to investigate them. However, spending so much time trying to disparage them is pretty stupid, since all that effort and time is MUCH better spent studying God’s inspired word, comparing each scripture to each other scripture. It’s clear that you’ve NEVER done that. Your beliefs match exactly those of false religions of Christendom, NOT the inspired word of God. Many through the ages have attacked God’s witnesses and prophets and servants, even God’s SON. They killed him. None spent time worshiping God the way God commands, but rather, spend time attacking God vicariously through His servants, just as you have. NOTHING changes through the ages. Nothing.

    1 Thessalonians 4:10 In fact, you are doing so toward all the brothers in all of Mac·e·doʹni·a. But we urge you, brothers, to go on doing so in fuller measure. 11 Make it your aim to live quietly and to MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS and to work with your hands, just as we instructed you,

    Matthew 22:36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this: ‘You must LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.”

    Is attacking us minding your own business? Certainly NOT.
    Is attacking us loving your neighbor as yourself? CERTAINLY NOT.
    Is attacking us loving Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind? CERTAINLY NOT.

    Are you obeying God? CERTAINLY NOT.
    Should you obey Him? DEFINATELY.
    You should repent (stopping what you’re doing) and pray to God, in Jesus’ name, for forgiveness.

    • Very interesting that in your replies to my article you seem unable to refute any of the points I have raised, and instead only offer a non-related defense of JW teachings.

  • I guess that I should only read about Roman Catholics from their website? Or Mormons from their website? Our Baptists from their website. We shouldn’t read JW material that mentions anything opposed to our own religion? Is that why Jehovah’s Witnesses knock on doors, to tell people to avoid their own information?

    This statement “What you read is all false information” is patently false! So often what has been posted here is straight out of WTBTS material! Are you saying Watchtower material is false? Read the latest post about failed Watchtower predictions. Direct quotes!

  • Emery

    If you want to know what they b elieve, say, do, or anything else ACCURATELY about them, then yes, of course. If one were investigating you, would they instead interview the local barber? If one were researching crickets, would they gather butterflies to study instead? OF COURSE NOT. Yes, when investigating anything or anyone, it is them you should go to.

    JW is NOT a religion. The religion to which all the members of the society adhere is the “one true faith” as taught by Jesus in the first century. The society IS JUST A SOCIETY. They knock on doors to fulfill Matthew 24:14, and to imitate Jesus as he “knocked on doors” also, and sent his disciples to do exactly that. Town to town, door to door, wherever people were to be found.

    The statement what you read is false informatin is NOT PATENTLY FALSE. It is completely accurate. No, it’s not straight out of the society’s material. Read my post about what you claim are “failed watchtower predictions”. Stop being misinformed and unintelligent. It does no one any good to be so.

    • So tell me about Jesus and the Devil being brothers…are has the JW’s stopped teaching that false doctrine as well?

  • No offense, but if I am looking for a car to purchase, I wouldn’t only look at one brand, and I wouldn’t only talk to their sales people and read only their marketing material. I think that is what is called “gullible” if you believe without questioning, and researching. Before I bought a car, I’d ask current drivers what they think about the car. If I knew someone who had one, and got rid of it, I’d ask them why as well. If you chose to just talk to one salesman at one dealership, and ignore BBB, unbiased former owners, and Consumer Reports, that is your call.

    If I were in the market for a new self defense weapon, I’d for sure ask lots of opinions, and try several options before investing in something. If my physical protection and that of my family is so important, certainly my eternal salvation should be closely examined as well. – In my opinion.

    Of course you are simply repeating what you’ve been taught, and I understand.

    BTW, did Russell encourage, or participate in door to door ministry?

    Also, if someone were investigating a person, they would certainly ask others about the person. You don’t get a Secret clearance without a background check (verifying info) and without your close friends being interviewed by the federal government. Even employers do this. It would be considered foolish to do otherwise.

  • Emery

    Job 38: 7 When the morning stars joyfully cried out together,
    And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?

    Psalms 89: 6 For who in the skies can compare to Jehovah?
    Who among the sons of God is like Jehovah?

    Jesus and ALL angels and Jehovah are all spirit beings. Satan was created as an algel. Angels are all “sons of God” as Jesus is. Satan BECAME Satan of his own volition when he rebelled against God and all mankind. Satan was indeed a son of God along with Jesus. The society doesn’t “teach” that Satan is Jesus’ brother, but God’s inspired word DOES. Or rather, he WAS before he rebelled against God. I was under the impression that you had read the scriptures. How is it possible you don’t know these things? Have you ever done more than just casually read God’s word? Like STUDYING each scripture, comparing EACH SCRIPTURE TO EACH OTHER SCRIPTURE, over, and over, and over again? Even though I’ve studied ancient languages of the scriptures and the translating of them into English to compare modern Bible translations to the ancient texts, I can’t expect anyone else to have done that, BUT, it’s incumbent on EVERYONE to STUDY God’s word, DAILY, to take in ACCURATE information about Him. God COMMANDS us to do exactly that, every day. Failing to do so is to fail to feed one’s faith, and failing to obey God, and failing to take in and learn accurate information about Him daily. I highly recommend doing that to everyone I meet. The benefits are uncountable. Failing to do so causes one to be “part of the world” against Jesus’ constant teaching to be “no part of the world” to his followers and disciples.

    Now you seem to completely miss the basic fact that all of God’s witnesses believe, follow, teach, and preach ONLY THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD. We LIVE by what it says, all day, every day, no exceptions, just as we are COMMANDED to do. There exists nothing we believe, do, or teach that is not scriptural. NOTHING. Our society is organized EXACTLY AS THE SCRIPTURES DESCRIBE. We do EXACTLY what the scriptures tell us that the first century Christians did, and believed. We are all part of the “one true faith” as Jesus taught it, AND we are all members of the society known as Jehovah’s Witnesses. The religion is the one true faith. The organization through which we gain valuable materials to teach others, FREE OF CHARGE, all over the world, is the society. TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. The society is not a religion. The “one true faith” is the ONLY religion that exists. Anything else claiming to be a religion, according to God’s word, is “false religion”. ANYTHING ELSE. No exceptions.

  • “There exists nothing we believe, do, or teach that is not scriptural. NOTHING. Our society is organized EXACTLY AS THE SCRIPTURES DESCRIBE. We do EXACTLY what the scriptures tell us that the first century Christians did, and believed.”

    So what exactly is your society organized? How what are the bible verses to support that structure? You don’t have to go into long explanations, just the basic outline, and the verses. Thanks.

  • Emery

    I am sure you have a Bible. I am certain you have a computer. You can SEARCH the scriptures very easily. They mention the Christian Congregation, elders, overseers, traveling overseers, appointed ones, and so on. Many scriptures describe others appointed to distribute food to widows and orphans, and on and on. I am not going to search all of these scriptures when YOU are quite capable of doing it for yourself. And there is NO POINT in my doing so. God commanded everyone to take in ACCURATE information daily about Him, from His inspired word. One must not just read them, one must STUDY them, comparing each scripture to EACH OTHER scripture. If you had EVER done anything close to this, you would already know these things. I suggest you get started. I am not here to do YOUR work for you, especially after all the abuse from people on this blog, and all the lies they banter back and forth about me and all of God’s witnesses, AND His inspired word. If it’s so important, why not initiate a study with a witness where you live. Then, eventually, you will know the entire Bible, cover to cover.

  • Glad that you didn’t mention “Governing Body” as that title is not biblical, and there are no Biblical qualifications or selection process for such a position.

    Act 14:23 – When they had appointed elders for them in the various churches, with prayer and fasting they entrusted them to the protection of the Lord in whom they had believed.

    1 Tim. 3:1-13 – This saying is trustworthy: “If someone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a good work.” 2 The overseer then must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, an able teacher, 3 not a drunkard, not violent, but gentle, not contentious, free from the love of money. 4 He must manage his own household well and keep his children in control without losing his dignity. 5 But if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for the church of God? 6 He must not be a recent convert or he may become arrogant and fall into the punishment that the devil will exact. 7 And he must be well thought of by those outside the faith, so that he may not fall into disgrace and be caught by the devil’s trap. 8 Deacons likewise must be dignified, not two-faced, not given to excessive drinking, not greedy for gain, 9 holding to the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. 10 And these also must be tested first and then let them serve as deacons if they are found blameless. 11 Likewise also their wives must be dignified, not slanderous, temperate, faithful in every respect. 12 Deacons must be husbands of one wife and good managers of their children and their own households. 13 For those who have served well as deacons gain a good standing for themselves and great boldness in the faith that is in Christ Jesus.

    Titus 1:5-9 – The reason I left you in Crete was to set in order the remaining matters and to appoint elders in every town, as I directed you. 6 An elder must be blameless, the husband of one wife, with faithful children who cannot be charged with dissipation or rebellion. 7 For the overseer must be blameless as one entrusted with God’s work, not arrogant, not prone to anger, not a drunkard, not violent, not greedy for gain. 8 Instead he must be hospitable, devoted to what is good, sensible, upright, devout, and self-controlled. 9 He must hold firmly to the faithful message as it has been taught, so that he will be able to give exhortation in such healthy teaching and correct those who speak against it.

  • Emery

    The phrase “it’s not Biblical” means nothing. The term “not scriptural” would mean something though. A Bible is not what Jehovah inspired. He inspired His word. MAN turned it into a Bible, which term means a collection of books.

    Acts 15:22 Then the apostles and the elders, together with the whole congregation, decided to send chosen men from among them to Antioch, along with Paul and Barʹna·bas; they sent Judas who was called Barʹsab·bas and Silas, who were leading men among the brothers. 23 They wrote this and sent it through them:
    “The apostles and the elders, your brothers, to those brothers in Antioch, Syria, and Ci·liʹcia who are from the nations: Greetings! 24 Since we have heard that some went out from among us and caused you trouble with what they have said, trying to subvert you, although we did not give them any instructions, 25 we have come to a unanimous decision to choose men to send to you together with our beloved Barʹna·bas and Paul, 26 men who have given up their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We are therefore sending Judas and Silas, so that they also may report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!”

    As the time neared for Jehovah to begin to unify true worshipers with himself by means of Jesus Christ, God sent him to earth to act as His spokesman. (Heb. 1:1, 2) Then with the outpouring of holy spirit at Pentecost of 33 C.E., the Christian congregation was brought into existence. After Jesus had returned to heaven, this congregation became Jehovah’s arrangement for instructing and for coordinating the efforts of individual Christians. There were overseers to take the lead in local congregations, and a central governing body made necessary decisions and helped to coordinate activity. Clearly, Jehovah had brought into existence an organization on earth made up of true Christians.—Acts 14:23; 16:4, 5; Gal. 2:7-10.

    Although the term “governing body” doesn’t appear in God’s word, the CONCEPT and the DESCRIPTION of a governing body DOES appear. So, you are not correct in assuming that no governing body existed in the first century, and has existed through today, and will CONTINUE to exist until the end of Satan’s system of things.

    As I admonished before, many times, one MUST KNOW THE ENTIRETY OF GOD’S INSPIRED WORD before one can know ANYTHING about His word. One must know ALL of them, not a piece here, and a piece there, and rely on others and on false religions to tell us what they mean. Only God can tell us what His word means, and He only does that for those who have an HONEST HEARTED DESIRE to know them. He only helps BELIEVERS to understand His word. Anyone who is part of the world, it’s governments, it’s desires, it’s FALSE RELIGIONS, will NEVER be helped by God to understand His word. Anyone who attacks His scriptures, His servants, tells falsehoods about Him or His son, IS AN UNBELIEVER. And from such unbelievers, Satan VEILS THE MEANING of God’s word from them, so that they won’t ever learn how to draw close to God. We search out those who have an honest hearted desire to know God, and we help them to draw close to Him. No other organization on Earth has EVER done this work, ONLY God’s Earthly servants do this, and there are no servants of God involved in any religion of man, no matter how much you want to claim there are. God COMMANDED all to “flee” from religions of man. He COMMANDED all to take in ACCURATE knowledge of Him DAILY. One cannot do this when using a translation of His word that is filled with falsely translated words in it. Changing ONE WORD of a sentence, CHANGES the meaning of that sentence, paragraph, chapter, and verse. God said, in Revelation, that taking away ONE WORD of scripture, or ADDING one word of scripture, MAKES THAT ONE GOD’S ENEMY. King James the First, the homosexual head of the Church of England CHANGED 20,000 WORDS in the Bible he had created. 20,000 WORDS. All who continue to use such a false translation are also His enemy.

  • Interesting. You fault us for not using scripture, and then when asked a question, you head to the official JW website, not your New World “Translation”. You simply cut and pasted info from the JW website to support the notion of a “Governing Body”.

    Let’s try this again. Please show me with scripture:
    1) Who makes up the Governing Body?
    2) How they are selected? (appointed? voted on my congregation? Elder vote?)
    3) Qualifications for Governing Body?

    In the posted passages I see:
    Apostles- long dead now.
    Elders- who are appointed, and in the passages that I posted it shows their qualifications.
    Deacons- Ministerial servants

    This one really puzzles me- “So, you are not correct in assuming that no governing body existed in the first century, and has existed through today, and will CONTINUE to exist until the end of Satan’s system of things.”
    What was the Governing Body, that existed in the first century?
    What Governing Body “… has existed through today…”?

  • Emery

    First of all I didn’t “fault” you, I advised you to STUDY the scriptures. Nothing I put into that post came from the web site. The scriptures I put into the post did come from the NWT. Who makes up the governing body? Look it up on the JW web site. I believe their names are there, but not sure. How are the selected? The scriptures describe that. Qualifications are also scripturally listed. And no, I won’t research it for you, that’s YOUR job. God commanded us to take in accurate information daily, NOT to have someone hand it to us on a silver platter daily. LOOK IT UP FOR YOURSELF. Deacons are clergy, and clergy are taught AGAINST in the scriptures. The shepherds of the flocks qualifications are listed in many places in the scriptures. Keep in mind that all on the governing body are those of the remnant of the 144,000, and that the entire NT is written by, to, and for members of the 144,000 ONLY. They are to use it to teach the rest of us. They are also known as the “faithful and discreet slave” in the scriptures. There’s enough clues for you to do your own research. I WILL NOT do it for you. Neither are you one of my students. Neither would I accept you as one of my students. At least not without a COMPLETE change of heart, and knowledge that you’ve repented and prayed for forgiveness for the things you’ve done on this blog to me, God, Jesus, and God’s inspired word, and God’s servants as a whole. Even then it would take a lot of convincing on your part for me to accept you as a study.

  • Nothing came from the JW website? Do a search of –
    “As the time neared for Jehovah to begin to unify true worshipers with himself by means of Jesus Christ, God sent him to earth to act as His spokesman.” You will end up at this JW website – http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989251

    What scriptures describe how the Governing body is selected? And their qualifications. No offense, but your vast knowledge of scripture all the sudden came to a halt. What if I said, “The Trinity is taught in the scriptures. Just look it up.” You’d no doubt ask me what scriptures teach the Trinity. If I insisted that you need to look them up, I bet you’d call me out on that. Turn about is fair play. When you call a belief is Biblical, but can’t find scripture to support it, you lose all credibility. I get it. If I held a strong belief that I claimed was from the Bible, yet upon digging, found that it was not in the Bible, I’d have to resort to desperate measures like deflection, deception, or the hardest option for some, find the truth, even if it means humbly turning my back on the congregation that I love.

    You didn’t answer this other question, which again, is a tough one to answer.
    First Emery, your quote- “So, you are not correct in assuming that no governing body existed in the first century, and has existed through today, and will CONTINUE to exist until the end of Satan’s system of things.”
    What was the Governing Body, that existed in the first century?
    What Governing Body “… has existed through today…”?

  • Emery

    No, I don’t WANT to do a search of the web site. Nothing I’ve posted DID come from the web site. I already posted a couple scriptures describing who was part of the governing body. No, I wouldn’t ask you to post what scriptures teach the trinity. None do. I already know which scriptures you PRETEND teach it, and none actually do, since no trinity exists, except in pagan religions.

    No, I don’t lose credibility. One cannot use a scripture to “support” much of anything. It takes a LOT of scriptures to teach ANYTHING scriptural. One won’t do it. That’s a tactic of false religions, and those who cling to false religion, such as yourself. If you found something you THOUGHT was scriptural and found it wasn’t, you’d actually try to prove it WAS, even though you know it wasn’t? That’s simply totally dishonest of you to do that.

    I already showed you what you need to know about the governing body. Stop pretending I didn’t. Again, that’s dishonest.

  • You showed scriptures about elders, Christian Congregation and Apostles. Nothing about a “governing body”, or where this group of people fit in the hierarchy of congregational leadership.

    And you still won’t support your claim about some governing body that operated from the book of Acts, to today.

  • Emery

    Now you’re just being thick. What, you think they grabbed people OUTSIDE the Christian Congregation to take the lead? NO, they came from elders and servants and other holy spirit annointed brothers from the congregations all over, and formed a governing body who settled disputes, arranged things, made decisions, taught, and so on. I don’t make “claims”. I state facts. I also told you to do YOUR OWN research into the scriptures, that I am not here to do your work for you. I am not your teacher, you are not my student. You are equally as capable of researching this subject as anyone else is. You simply fail to see the obvious fact that all who wrote the NT scriptures were holy spirit annointed members of the 144,000, and that they wrote all those letters to OTHER members of the 144,000, under inspiration from God. The entire NT is by, for, and about the 144,000, to direct them, and for them to use to teach the great crowd. Now stop whining that I haven’t done your work for you and get to work. STUDY. Do RESEARCH.

    • Ron

      EMERY QUOTE:”I am not your teacher, you are not my student.”: EMERY END QUOTE

      THEN BE SILENT AND DON’T SHARE YOUR FALSE DOCTRINES.

  • Leonard1

    I’ll certainly give you that Emorrhoid. Being misinformed and unintelligent hasn’t done YOU much good, so far a I can see. Now,where’s that “proof”: you lied about having that proves the KJV is corrupted?

    • Ron

      Amen Leonard!! You will never see it just like he claims what I posted that he himself wrote is a LIE!

      When the meaning and intent are clear as written by him and when contrasted by the Scriptures shows him to be a Pharisee, a Liar,

      a hypocrite, and he claims to know all JW’s do not sin because THEY ALWAYS DO GOD’S WILL.

      Even God says if we have no sin THE TRUTH IS NOT IN US!

      1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

      They believe they can work their way to Heaven, good luck with that!

      Hell is the only place you work your way into, Entry into Heaven is a Gift of Grace.

      Blessings Leonard1!

  • Emery

    Ron, that’s the most haughty and lying statement you’ve made yet. The meaning and intent AS YOU THINK IT IS, not what God intended it to say. I’m not Jewish, and cannot therefore be a Pharisee, as they were all Jews. Another lie from you. I never said all JW’s do not sin, I said they don’t try to sin, and they work hard NOT to sin. Another lie of yours. Yes, we always do God’s entire will as much as any human can, which is much more than you it seems. It’s YOU who made the claim of “no sin”, not me Ron. Another of your lies. You are a liar, and do your father’s will, because he is the father of the lie. To lie is to NOT do God’s will. Proof positive of what I posted. Another lie is that you claim we can “work our way to heaven”, which is impossible, since only 144,000 will go to heaven, and they’re probably all there already. Hell means grave. No hell of fire and torment exists. That’s a PAGAN belief, not scriptural. Entry into heaven is not a gift of grace. God invites one to be His adopted son, and if that son endures till the end, he will be resurrected as a spirit person to heaven. Your total lack of knowledge of God’s word is incredible.

    • Leonard

      Emorrhoid, while you’re lying to Ron about lying, you still haven’t posted the proof that the KJV is corrupted, that YOU lied about having. Just what is it going to take to get a lying Jehovah’s False Witness like yourself to fork over that “proof”?

  • Leonard

    So right, my friend. So right…

  • Ron

    Leonard My Friend you and I will neither get him to respond to the lies he has been caught in.

    But Don’t let him off the hook when he puts up his lies for another.

    The biggest most Blasphemous lie Emery has said is this: EMERY’S POST 5 August 2016 at 9:29 am

    EMERY QUOTE:”If we become God’s friend, we might get saved.”:EMERY END QUOTE

    THAT IS NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE AT ALL, BUT WHAT DOES GOD’S WORD SAY ABOUT BEING SAVED EMERY

    Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

    Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

    Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

    Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

    Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

    Romans 10:13 FOR “WHOSOEVER SHALL” CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD “SHALL BE SAVED.”

    IT DOES NOT SAY WHO IF WE BECOME GOD’S FRIEND WE MIGHT GET SAVED!

    IT SAYS THEY SHALL BE SAVED AND ONLY THEN,

    AND ONLY THEN,

    WILL WE BECOME GOD’S FRIEND

    FOR UNTIL WE ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST INTO OUR HEARTS GOD WILL ALWAYS CONSIDER US HIS ENEMIES UNTIL

    WE ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST!

    NO AMOUNT OF BIBLE READING AND WALKING IN A HOLIER ( PHARISEE) THAN THOU AND

    IN ONE’S OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS WILL EVER GET YOU INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN EVER EMERY!

  • Ron

    You cannot even understand the most basic precepts can you Emery you must have a really low IQ, so why post like you know something.

    Hell is a Pagan Belief wow you called Jesus Christ a Pagan!

    Don’t say you didn’t, because Christ talked more about Hell and described it than Heaven while he walked on Earth!

    If Hell is the grave only then why Would Jesus Christ talk about the heat of the flames and the worms which die not, Christ did not have

    any pagan beliefs and you say I lack knowledge, well that may be a bit true because I don’t know everything there could possibly be known

    about God’s Word you on the other hand……………………………………………………

    KNOW NOTHING ABOUT GOD’S WORD AND YOUR WHOLE POST ON 17 August 2016 at 9:36 pm IS A LIE!

    IF YOUR JW’S DO GOD’S WILL AS YOU CLAIM THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE NOT SINNING ISN’T THAT DOING GOD’S WILL

    BY BEING 100% OBEDIENT TO IT. THUS ALL YOUR JW’S ARE NOT SINNING BY YOUR OWN WORDS.

    YOU ARE ACTING JUST LIKE “A PHARISEE” BECAUSE YOU PROCLAIM HOW MUCH BETTER YOU ARE THAN SOMEONE ELSE

    ON HERE AND SIT ON THIS BLOG AND POST ALL THEIR SINS WHEN ONLY GOD KNOWS THAT, AND YOU ARE PROCLAIMING

    OH I AM SO MUCH BETTER THAN YOU JUST LIKE THE PHARISEE AND THE PUBLICAN WHO WENT AND PRAYED.

    NO LIES HERE EXCEPT YOURS EMERY EVERYONE SEES THEM.

  • Ron

    Emery why do you post when you clearly act and talk like the Scriptures that mention all the fool’s behaviors in Proverbs!

    Is Attacking Geoffrey minding your own business? CERTAINLY NOT.

    Do You live by what you yourself preach? MOST CERTAINLY NOT.

    LASTLY YOU CANNOT LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, MIND, AND SOUL UNLESS YOU HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP

    WITH GOD’S SON ( WHO IS GOD!!!!!!) JESUS CHRIST!

    SADLY YOU LACK THERE AND GEOFFREY DOES NOT.

    YOUR QUOTE PROVES IT……….

    Emery 5 August 2016 at 9:29 am

    A BIBLE BELIEVER LOOKS AT THE CULT TEACHINGS OF THE JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES

    http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/bible-believer-looks-cult-teaching-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-1428281

    EMERY QUOTE:”If we become God’s friend, we might get saved.”:EMERY ENDQUOTE

    YOU NEED SALVATION EMERY READ THIS ON HOW, BECAUSE UNTIL YOU DO YOU ARE AN ENEMY OF GOD AND NEED

    TO BE RECONCILED TO GOD BY ACCEPTING JESUS CHRIST………………………

    Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

    Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

    Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

    Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

    Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

    Romans 10:13 FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED ( NO MIGHT/MAYBE THERE!)

    John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

    John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    Just pray this prayer or put it into your own words. The key is that you truly mean it. “Father, I believe and receive Jesus Christ and the forgiveness He died on the cross to purchase for me. Please forgive me of my sin and cleanse me. Come into my heart as You promised. Make me what You want me to be.”

    If you prayed that prayer and truly meant it, you are now a part of God’s eternal family. You are ready, not only to leave this world when Jesus Christ returns for His true followers, but you are ready to face daily life with His strength and joy and peace. Just ask Him to lead you and help you. He will.

  • Ron

    You are so funny Emery you quote me 2 Timothy 3:3 as though I am in this category, yet you know nothing of me, and others on here

    and they have all reproved your posts yet you ignore them.

    NOW THAT IS REALLY AMAZING ALONG WITH WHAT GEOFFREY SAID TO YOU!

  • Leonard

    Ron,you are SO right. I have long suspected that Emery has more than a few screws loose, and likely makes up most lot what he claims his “Ancient scrolls” have to say…

  • Emery

    3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness,

    The majority of your posts to me indicate a fierceness, and slander, and a lack of love, and a lack of love of goodness. So, yes, it does apply to you. I know plenty of you. Besides the above, you are an unbeliever, and don’t worship Jehovah in the way He requires, and you don’t obey Him. That’s all I NEED to know about you.

    No, “they have all reproved your posts, yet you ignore them” is nothing but a complete falsehood. Name calling, reviling, attacking, persecuting, and showing intense hatred IS NOT REPROVING. It’s doing exactly what you do. It’s proving you all are part of the false religions of Christendom, and not followers of the Christ or of his Father. You lyingly and in a fine antichrist fashion claim Jesus is his own father, and that some three headed trinity that burns people is who God is, even though no scripture supports one tiny bit of that load of baloney. And I could not care any less about what Geoffrey said about me. He’s just some guy who has a blog. No one special. You, however, seem to hold him in great esteem, when all glory and honor belongs ONLY to Jehovah God. More proof of who you are.

    And no, I am not funny, except when I decide to be, and I don’t decide to be on any blog. If you folks weren’t so very sad, you would be funny. I mean just think about it, a three headed god who burns people? COME ON!!! Holy Ghost??? REALLY??? No, God’s spirit is no ghost, and ghosts don’t exist, and NEVER HAVE. Immortal soul? That flies in the face of EVERYTHING THE SCRIPTURES TEACH. Religions? Born again? If it weren’t so sad, it WOULD be very funny. Even though God’s word says only the annointed 144,000 are “born again” of the spirit, and are the ONLY ones ever to go to heaven, from Earth, except God’s SON, Jesus.

    As the scriptures warn, people would have an outward appearance of Godliness, but PROVE FALSE TO IT’S POWER. Your behavior alone proves this point quite precisely. Your lack of love, lack of accurate knowledge, lack of obedience to God, and lack of putting kingdom interests before ANYTHING else in your life also proves all these points with no doubt whatsoever. I have suggested countless times that you abandon the lies you’ve been taught your whole lives, and instead, draw close to God through His inspired word, not through the word of King James the First, because they’re TWO SEPARATE THINGS. But you all reject that suggestion on it’s face. Your love of the world trumps your love (if you ever had any) for God.

  • Ron

    In some ways I actually feel sorry for him, because if he was someone who was easily swayed to begin with…

    then they actually took big advantage of him and really brain washed him.

    Or….

    it could be that because of his beliefs about the JW’s God turned him over to a reprobate mind because of their beliefs about Jesus Christ

    not being God Himself and them ignoring what God said about Salvation….

    and that is SALVATION BY “GRACE” NOT SALVATION BY WORKS.

    Well The Rapture will prove who is saved and who is not.

    God Bless You Leonard!

  • Leonard

    Coo-Coo, Coo-Coo…

  • Emery

    James 2:20 But do you care to know, O empty man, that faith without works is useless?
    James 2: 26 Indeed, just as the body without spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

    And no, no rapture will prove ANYTHING, since no “rapture” will ever happen. It’s a figment of the imagination of false religion, and is NOT to be found ANYWHERE in the scriptures oh foolish one. And God doesn’t “turn over” anyone to anybody, that’s just completely rediculous, and I have nothing to do with any reprobates, except those on blog sites, and not by choice. The beliefs of the JW’s are ONLY THE SCRIPTURES, so you are attacking now, the scriptures again. The word of God. Why do you hate the scriptures so much, and why are you so antichrist? What do you expect to gain from it? Other than death?

  • Emery, I missed this scripture, “Even though God’s word says only the annointed 144,000 are “born again” of the spirit, and are the ONLY ones ever to go to heaven, from Earth, except God’s SON, Jesus.”

    What scripture shows that only 144,000 are “Born again”?

  • Emery

    Only a mistaken idea of God’s word would cause one to conclude that “A SCRIPTURE” could impart very much information about anything. No, a scripture cannot do it. One must know, STUDY, the ENTIRE Christian/Greek scriptures to understand this about the 144,000, especially since all who wrote the Christian/Greek scriptures were of this annointed group, and they wrote them TO others of that annointed group, and they wrote them ABOUT that annointed group. And it’s not uncommon for religionists to “miss” this factual truth contained in God’s inspired word, since they all think “a scripture” could explain anything at all. It’s a rediculous tactic, and not an honest one, at best. At worst, it’s a tactic designed to disparage the truth and those who know the truths in God’s word. It’s like reading one sentence of a book, and believing you can know the entire book from one sentence. It’s IMPOSSIBLE. I am not going to initiate a Bible teaching session online, on a public blog, with anyone, ever. If you lived in my area, and caused me to believe you were HONESTLY interested in studying God’s inspired word, I would consider starting a study, but those conditions don’t exist. Find someone local to you.

  • Emery, I have to admit that I am confused. Help me understand this quote of yours-
    “The beliefs of the JW’s are ONLY THE SCRIPTURES, so you are attacking now, the scriptures again. The word of God.”

    Yet, when I asked for the scriptures that you use to support the teaching that only 144,000 are born again, you simply ran off in a different direction, and said that “Only a mistaken idea of God’s word would cause one to conclude that a scripture could impart very much information about anything”. My guess is that if I need to study the entire Bible to understand your ideas about the 144,000 then you should be able to point me to those scriptures. I could find every mention of “144,000” and every mention of “born again” and still not find anything that ties them together. That’s why I need your help tying those two teachings together.

    You said, “One must know, STUDY, the ENTIRE Christian/Greek scriptures to understand this about the 144,000, …..” I think that what you really mean is, “One must know, Study, the entire Christian/Greek scriptures, using Watchtower material to understand this about the 144,000,….”

    Put 1,000 people in a hotel, and have them read and study 5 different translations of the Bible and I bet none of them would come up with the teaching that you posted. As a matter of fact Charles Russell didn’t believe it. Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Russell originally teach that all Jehovah’s Witnesses would go to heaven? He taught that they were the 144,000… until he realized that the Jesus wouldn’t return when Russell thought He would return. And, that the growing number of JW’s was going to exceed 144,000. Right? No two class system? He had to come up with a new teaching. Somehow, the leader of the JW’s (Jesus) had miscommunicated with the “faithful slave”. Or something. So, this new and improved understanding came forth.

    I had a JW come to my door not long ago. He was inviting me to the “Memorial meal” where the bread and cup would be served. He explained that only the 144,000 would take the bread and wine. I asked for the biblical origin of that teaching, and he went all over the scriptures, and said lots of stuff, but admitted that he couldn’t find any direct scriptural support.

  • 01e1ngvar
  • Emery

    Help you understand that what JW’s believe is ONLY the inspired word of God??? What’s so difficult to understand about that? It’s a very simple straightforward statement of fact. If you cannot understand a simple statement of fact, then how can anyone explain ANYTHING to you? You are basically admitting to a learning disability. So when you attack God’s servant’s beliefs, you are attacking the inspired word of God. Very plain, and very simple and to the point. No ambiguity there.

    You said “yet when I asked for the scriptures that you use” is false, you asked for A SCRIPTURE to “support” the teaching of the 144,000. A SCRIPTURE cannot be used, it cannot be done. It requires ALL of the Christian Greek scriptures to grasp it. That is also something that is NOT ambiguous. :And no, every mention of the 144,000 directly is not adequate, since they are spoken of in many many ways, not just as the 144,000. Like calling you Rick, a man, that person, they guy over there, he who attacks me, and so on. They ALL refer to Rick, but in many different ways. And I DID point you to the scriptures that discuss them. The ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT is by, for, and about them and them alone. Again, very straightforward and to the point. But you REFUSE to allow such a thought to enter into your confused mind. And I gave you all the help anyone ever needs. The entire Christian Greek Scriptures, and it always helps to refer to the Hebrew scriptures’ references to the messiah and all the prophecies about him to further clarify the teaching, and the study of that teaching.

    I am quoting your above post: “You said, “One must know, STUDY, the ENTIRE Christian/Greek scriptures to understand this about the 144,000, …..” I think that what you really mean is, “One must know, Study, the entire Christian/Greek scriptures, using Watchtower material to understand this about the 144,000,….””

    NO, Rick, what I mean is WHAT I TYPED PREVIOUSLY, not what you want to pretend I meant. I said it takes the ENTIRE Christian Greek scriptures to explain everything about the 144,000, and I meant that, and nothing more, especially not what you added as sarcasm.

    Another quote: “Put 1,000 people in a hotel, and have them read and study 5 different translations of the Bible and I bet none of them would come up with the teaching that you posted.”

    Exactly correct. Put a million in a hotel, which is impossible, and none of them would EVER come up with any accurate understanding of any part of the word of God. Satan has placed a veil over the understanding of the word of God to the unbelievers. Everyone who is not a disciple, as God’s word describes it, of the Christ, IS AN UNBELIEVER. It’s physically impossible for them to grasp the word of God to any extent. It cannot be done.

    You know nothing about Charles Russel, and he has no bearing on this, or on modern witnesses of God. He IS DEAD. Leader of the Witnesses? No such leader exists. We follow only the Christ. Period. Your misconceptions about the organization knows no bounds. Leave Russel out of the conversation, as he has no bearing whatsoever on anything. He is DEAD.

    No one ever thought that only JW’s would go to heaven. That’s absurd, rediculous, and pretty stupid to believe that. Only the 144,000 whom God INVITES to be part of the 144,000 go to heaven, if they remain faithful till the end, or their death, whichever comes first.

    And no, when you pick on a JW who comes to your door, to help you and to save your life, you are then rejecting God’s offer of help. They wouldn’t be able to come up with one or two scriptures to explain the entire NT either. No one could. You JUST DON’T GET IT. And you NEVER WILL. Very few ever will get it, just as Jesus prophecied. Exactly as he taught his disciples.

    Here is an excerpt from an article about what you are complaining about:

    We have always used the Bible as the sole authority for our beliefs, so we have adjusted our beliefs as our understanding of the Scriptures has been clarified. *

    Such changes are in harmony with the Bible principle stated at Proverbs 4:18: “The path of the righteous is like the bright morning light that grows brighter and brighter until full daylight.” Just as the rising sun reveals details of a landscape gradually, God grants an understanding of divine truth progressively, in his due time. (1 Peter 1:10-12) As the Bible foretold, he has accelerated this process during “the time of the end.”—Daniel 12:4.

    These adjustments in our understanding should neither surprise nor disturb us. Ancient worshippers of God also had mistaken ideas and expectations and needed to adjust their viewpoint.

    Moses offered himself as a deliverer for the nation of Israel 40 years ahead of God’s timetable.—Acts 7:23-25, 30, 35.

    The apostles failed to understand the prophecy that foretold the Messiah’s death and resurrection.—Isaiah 53:8-12; Matthew 16:21-23.

    Some early Christians had wrong ideas about the timing of “the day of Jehovah.”—2 Thessalonians 2:1, 2.

    God later corrected their misunderstandings, and we pray that he will continue doing the same for us.—James 1:5.

  • Emery

    How could I “enjoy” a video FILLED with NOTHING BUT LIES about God and God’s servants on Earth? Anyone who does ENJOY SUCH A THING, Is God’s ENEMY.

  • 01e1ngvar

    Lies? Indeed? Russel was a Freemason. Gravestone of his grave is pyramidal with full of Masonic symbols. Coincidence?

    • Ron

      I think it is not coincidence Ole but he will probably say you are lying!

      Blessings to you Ole My Brother!

  • Leonard

    Emorrhoid, Emorrhoid, Emorrhoid! When you finish this pack of lies, I need to see that “proof” that the KJV is corrupted, that you lied abut having. You DO know that liars will find they have a place in the Lake of Fire, don’t you?

  • Emery

    Do you, by chance, live under a rock? If one carries American money, is he/she a mason? There is a pyramid on American dollars. If one studies Egyptology, is that one a mason? Are the hippies of the 1970’s who used pyramids because of some misperceived power in them masons? OF COURSE NOT. Russel, who PRIVATELY studied pyramids and Egyptology and the like as a PERSONAL HOBBY,was not a mason simply because of his personal interests. One would necessarily have to join the masons in order to be a mason. And WHO CARES WHAT HE DID!!! He IS DEAD. His personal affairs have NO BEARING on God’s servants today, and the same is true when he was alive. Why do you have an OBSESSION with C. Russel anyway? He was a servant of God and a fellow worker in the truth. Nothing more, nothing less. He formed a society known as the IBSA, but that’s about it. So yes, the video is FILLED WITH LIES and has no bearing on truth, or on God’s witnesses today.

    Nice try, but people have been attacking and killing God’s witnesses for six thousand years, and you think you have something new? NOT HARDLY. Nothing ever changes. Your opposition to God, by opposing His servants, warrants the judgement God has reserved for ones who do what you are doing. You’ve achieved your goal. Total destruction. You’ve proven your opposition to God beyond any doubt.

  • Ron

    There is a lie and God’s Word says so……

    EMERY QUOTE:”Do you, by chance, live under a rock? If one carries American money, is he/she a mason? There is a pyramid on American dollars. If one studies Egyptology, is that one a mason? Are the hippies of the 1970’s who used pyramids because of some misperceived power in them masons? OF COURSE NOT. Russel, who PRIVATELY studied pyramids and Egyptology and the like as a PERSONAL HOBBY,was not a mason simply because of his personal interests. One would necessarily have to join the masons in order to be a mason. And WHO CARES WHAT HE DID!!! He IS DEAD. His personal affairs have NO BEARING on God’s servants today, and the same is true when he was alive. Why do you have an OBSESSION with C. Russel anyway? He was a servant of God and a fellow worker in the truth. Nothing more, nothing less.”:EMERY END QUOTE

    GOD DOESN’T TELL US TO RESEARCH THE PAST, AND EGYPTOLOGY IS ALL ABOUT PAGAN GODS SO WE KNOW NOW WHO HE

    REALLY WAS WORSHIPING! YET YOU SAY IT HAS NO BEARING WHAT DOES GOD SAY ABOUT QUESTIONABLE DEALINGS?

    1 Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. THAT IS PLAIN ENOUGH, AND IT WOULD BE A “BAD” WITNESS TO OTHERS!

    Also masons have specific symbols which identify them so it would prove that he was or wasn’t a mason.

  • Emery

    First of all Ron, it’s NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS what I say to anyone else. God DOES tell us to “research the past”. He said to take in ACCURATE knowledge of Him DAILY from His inspired word. Almost all of it is from the past. No, you don’t know ANYTHING about the long dead Mr. Russel. He worshiped Jehovah God, someone YOU REFUSE TO WORSHIP. He had no “questionable dealings” that anyone has ever discovered, so you’re basically lying. You post a scripture demanding that you abstain from all appearance of evil, yet in the sentence above your quote, you commit evil. What a hypocrite. No, you have no way of proving or disproving much of anything, and it makes NO DIFFERENCE what Russel did, HE IS DEAD and LONG gone.

    Mind your own business, stop deliberately constantly sinning, and stop being so idiotic.

  • Ron

    This is an open blog and you can tell me what to do because you have freedom of speech but you cannot make me and I have just as much,

    actually more because I have served this country honorably which you would never do as a JW!

    I’ll talk on here all I want to whoever I want!

    Don’t get me started is it your nappy time!?

    OH BY THE WAY EMERY THE ONLY IDIOT ON HERE IS YOU!

    SHALL WE TAKE A POLL?

  • Emery

    I didn’t say you’re an idiot, even though you are, I said you are being idiotic. YOU called ME an idiot, which is uncalled for. And what makes you think that one with an IQ of 170 is an idiot? Yours is most likely barely close to average, 100-124, if that. And where does it say ANYWHERE, in the constitution, scriptures, or legislation that one who disobeys God by being “part of the world” has more rights than one who DOES obey God by being “no part of the world”? Being no part of the world INCLUDES no government, military, political, or other service to ANYONE other than Jehovah God. You’ve definately disobeyed Him there. You’ve most likely killed your fellow man in the process, or contributed to the death of your fellow man, and I assume NEVER have repented and asked forgiveness for doing so. Talk away, but stop putting your nose where it’s not wanted Mr. Nappy time. No, I am definately not an idiot, idiots kill their fellow man, disobey God at every turn, attack God’s servants, treat their fellow man poorly, and lie about God all the time, you know, like you are doing now. And no “we” shall not “take a poll”. I will not have anything to do with such a stupid and idiiotic waste of time. You should take all the time you waste on endeavors like that and put it to good use, like STUDYING GOD’S WORD for example. It would be of great benefit to you. you might actually learn how to treat your fellow man in the process. But I kind of doubt it.

  • Emery – you have said repeatedly, “He said to take in ACCURATE knowledge of Him DAILY from His inspired word.” Where is that exactly?

  • Emery

    Let’s see, a few hundred years ago, a man decided to take all of the scriptures, section them into paragraphs and sentences, and put them into a book and called it a Bible. That’s where.

    1 Timothy 2:2 First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgiving be made concerning all sorts of men, 2 concerning kings and all those who are in high positions, so that we may go on leading a calm and quiet life with complete godly devotion and seriousness. 3 This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4 whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.

    Colossians 1:10 so as to walk worthily of Jehovah in order to please him fully as you go on bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the accurate knowledge of God;

    Colossians 3:8 But now you must put them all away from you: wrath, anger, badness, abusive speech, and obscene talk out of your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another. Strip off the old personality with its practices, 10 and clothe yourselves with the new personality, which through accurate knowledge is being made new according to the image of the One who created it,

    There’s just a few places in the Bible where it can be found. There are many others.

  • Ron

    Emery you don’t have a 170 IQ, nor do I have as you say and here you go again accusing someone of something you know nothing about!

    THERE YOU GO LYING AGAIN EMERY!

    BY THE WAY THE POLL WON’T INVOLVE YOU JUST OTHERS OPINIONS OF YOU!

    I TREAT YOU THE WAY A BLASPHEMING LYING, HYPOCRITE, CULTIST SHOULD BE WHO CLAIMS THEY ARE LIVING BY GOD’S

    WORD AND DO NOT SIN BUT ARE “TOO STUPID OR IGNORANT” TO ADMIT THEY ARE THEMSELVES BEING UNGODLY IN THEIR OWN

    POSTS OR WON’ ADMIT THEIR MISTAKES AFTER THE FACT OR EVEN HAVE THE GUTS TO ADMIT WHAT THEY WROTE AFTER

    THE FACT, BUT GO OFF ON A TANGENT ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE TO DIVERT SOMEONE OFF OF THE ERROR YOU WROTE

    EMERY.

  • Ron

    WELL EMERY YOU CONDEMN YOURSELF AGAIN FOR AN OCCUPATION INVOLVING A WORLDLY EMPLOYER PUTS

    YOU IN CONDEMNATION OF YOUR HYPOCRITICAL STANCE DOESN’T IT, BEING NO PART OF THE WORLD WOULD INCLUDE

    YOUR JOB TOO, NOT JUST GOVERNMENT!

    YOU DO HAVE A JOB EMERY OR DO YOU ONLY WORK AT YOUR WATCHTOWER?

  • Ron

    Also Emery you pay social security and Federal Income taxes so you are just as much a part of this world as anyone else

    what phony crap and tripe we are not part of the world, I suppose you don’t buy anything from stores either which are part of the world!

  • Emery

    Yes, I do. Actually, the average of six texts is 168. No, I don’t lie, ever. And I care absolutely NOTHING about other’s opinions about me. Serves no purpose whatsoever. And for you to admit that you are a blaspheming, lying, hypocrite cultist is quite amazing. I’m glad you realize how you behave, but aren’t you being a little hard on yourself? I don’t “claim” I live by God’s word, I DO live by God’s word, and do the ENTIRE will of God always as much as any man is able to do, being imperfect. I never said I don’t sin, I said I work very hard not to sin. None of my posts are ungodly in the slightest, and I haven’t posted anything that has mistakes in it. And “guts” aren’t involved. I don’t go off on any tangent or divert anything, ever.

    No, working for a worldly employer does not make one part of the world. We are to USE the world to accomplish our mission, but to be no part of it. I have no hypocritical stance. And in fact, I am retired and have no job, and when I DID have a job, I was the employer all my life. And no one “works at your watchtower”. It’s not possible. And no, paying taxes does not make one part of the world either. Even Jesus said to give to Carsar what is Carsar’s, and give to God what is God’s, and to remain no part of the world. So you are refuting Jesus’ own words there Ron.

    I post no “phony crap and tripe” ever, for any reason. Buying things from a store does not make anyone part of the world either. It seems that you absolutely, definately, have no idea whatsoever what the inspired word of God says, teaches, or means, and probably never will, no matter how many times you study it. You simply cannot grasp it’s meaning no matter what. You just cannot get it.

  • 01e1ngvar

    ROFL 😀 . Emery became sooo predictable 😉 .

    • Ron

      Indeed Ole, Indeed he is condemning us to hell if you can believe that one when he won’t even look at himself!

      HE IS TRUSTING IN HIS OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS NOT JESUS CHRIST’S ROFL! GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

      Blessings Ole!

  • Emery

    I see a pattern here. It seems that most, if not all, like 01e1ngvar, Ron, and Leonard, really ARE deliberately working to prove that they are all God’s enemy. Is everyone who pretends to be “born again” actually God’s enemy?

  • 01e1ngvar

    OK, Truthbringer, If we aren’t born-again person, so you certainly should be. So, when it was happened? What Gifts of Holy Spirit do you have, according to 1 Сor 12?
    And why do you think, what we are God’s enemies? Because we exposing lies and don’t wish to take part in fruitless acts of darkness (Eph 5:11)? I and others still can’t see something solid in your arguments, just “you are God’s enemies, KJV is corrupted”…same stuff I hear from Muslims every day, so JW and Muslims should be friends, because source of both teaching are same – from Lucifer.
    Give me some solid proofs, what JW are right and I’ll be on your side. Otherwise – sorry, there’s no common things between darkness and light (2 Сor 6:14).

  • Emery

    ngvar;
    The persons who wrote the NT were all literally, physically annointed with God’s spirit, holy spirit. They were annointed and the first chosen to be part of the 144,000. The letters making up the NT, being written BY those annointed men were ADDRESSED to other annointed men and congregations throughout the area. And they were talking ABOUT the annointed with holy spirit people and congregations, NOT about people of the nations. When they speak of “gifts of holy spirit” like prophecies, healing, and so on, they are not talking about anyone except the holy spirit annointed 144,000, who were in congregations all around the middle East in the first century. ALL of them were holy spirit annointed, and this annointing continued until John the Baptist died, then it stopped happening in any numbers and in groups and congregations. Since then, when God chooses to so annoint someone, it’s private, and between that one and God. THEY are all the “born again” people, NOT those of any religion that God’s word says is false religion and works of the flesh.

    No, JW’s and Muslims should “not be friends” as such since the Muslim religion is ALSO a false religion, works of the flesh, and so on. However, as we are all members of the “one true faith” as Jesus taught in the first century, AND we are ALSO members of the society known as Jehovah’s Witnesses, we love ALL of our fellow men as we love oursenves, and treat them accordingly. The “one true faith” taught by Jesus, and the society, are NOT the same thing either.

    For you to learn the things you are asking would take years of teaching. You’re asking for meat and potatoes, when you need to begin with baby food. One cannot start in the middle of a project rather than at the beginning of it.

    The “proof” you ask for is contained in God’s in spired word. It’s not one scripture for this, and one scripture for that, it’s the ENTIRE BIBLE one must study and know inside and out, before one can really even begin to understand any part of it.

  • Funny how some have a particular belief that they call “true”, and “biblical” and they can defend that belief with scriptures. They have other beliefs that simply can’t be supported with scripture, so they not only avoid presenting scriptures to defend their beliefs like a good Berean, but they get accusatory, defensive, and dismissive of those who question the non-Biblical beliefs. That means of defending your faith may work with gullible people, but any thinking person sees right through it.

    Let’s all remember the words of Eph 4:29. “Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.”

  • 01e1ngvar

    Wow! Please, proofs about 144.000 – what they’re only, who was anointed by Holy Spirit. Chronologically – these guys will be from Jews, who will be after Rapture. Babyfood to me, oh yeah.
    You will be marveled, but there’s 13 common points in Islamic and Watchtower dogmas. It’s too much, I think 😀 .

    • Emery

      ngvar;
      What do you mean by “proofs”? As I said, one cannot start studying in the middle. One must begin at the beginning. Yes, baby food. No, they will not “be from Jews” either. some, yes. Some, no. There is no “rapture”. You misunderstand what you call a rapture. It involves the 144,000 and no one else, or rather, the remnant of them still alive at the start of the final battle..

      There also exists no “Watchtower DOGMAS”. no SUCH THING EXISTS. The Watchtower IS A SOCIETY. Nothing more. The membership of the Watchtower are ALSO part of the ONLY religion that exists, the “one true faith” that Jesus taught in the first century. No other entity CLAIMING to be a religion, really is a religion. No other entity is Christian. NONE. The disciples of the Christ are the only Christians on Earth. They operated freely until governments much later required legal registration, and tax registration. That is why a society was created, so that they can legally operate. It was created in 1931. Before that, they were simply called “bible students”. God’s witnesses, Jesus disciples, have existed since Jesus day. God had other witnesses long before that. They did not require any such legal registration or tax status thousands of years ago. What they all believe, teach, preach, and how they live, comes ONLY FROM THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD. There is no “dogma” separate from the scriptures, to which they adhere. NONE. So no “watchtower dogma” is even possible to exist. The only things any of us say or teach is SCRIPTURAL and nothing else. You are very mistaken if you believe anything else about them. Meaning also, you are mistaken about God and His inspired word. And Islam is a RELIGION of man. It is NOT the “one true faith” that Jesus taught. What we adhere to IS the “one true faith” that Jesus taught in the first century. Every Bible, piece of literature, or anything else the society produces, is COMPLETELY SCRIPTURAL in content, with NO EXCEPTIONS.

  • Emery

    Yeah Rick, like your trinity falsehood. If one takes this scripture here, that scripture there, and rationalizes and interprets it to fit your misbegotten belief, then you think you’re “supporting” the trinity. However, if one takes the ENTIRE scriptures as a whole, learns it and compares each single scripture to each other single scripture, in context, and LEARNS it, then the trinity falsehood falls FLAT ON IT’S FACE. No, Rick, your tactic, that you got from false religion, is a false tactic. It cannot “prove” anything, ever. It takes scriptures out of context, contradicts many other scriptures, and must be “interpreted” to arrive at your false understanding. And God said all interpretation BELONGS ONLY TO HIM. We are NOT to EVER interpret ANY scripture, ever. We are not to ADD to or to TAKE AWAY one single word of scripture, or we become God’s enemy. The KJV, for example, has 7,208 MISSING instances of the tetragrammaton for God’s PERSONAL name. It has almost 13,000 additional MISTRANSLATED WORDS. Words that were CHANGED from the original ancient texts that exist today. That certainly makes James the First God’s enemy. And it makes anyone who USES the KJV God’s enemy. One who teaches false things about God’s word, Jesus, and God, and God’s servants, is ALSO God’s enemy. The countless accounts in the scriptures of people doing exactly that FILL the Bible with examples of the same.

    So your absurd post above ATTEMPTING to disparage and to ridicule accurate, intensive, and in depth study of God’s word simply shows that you have no love for God. He commanded us to study exactly that way, many times. And there is a scripture that says the love of God means OBEYING HIS COMMANDS. The opposite is that to disobey God means to NOT love God. And your post proposes disobedience to God, further causing you to be at odds with Him. Your very post is filled with the corrupting talk you quoted in Ephesians 4:29

  • 01e1ngvar

    I mean proofs in Scriptures. All I see is just tons of words with no Scripture foundation. So I need something solid, like meat and potatoes. Otherwise just stop polluting broadcast. And get a job 😛

  • Emery

    I am certain you’ve been reading my posts, and therefore already know who the 144,000 are. But anyway, here is a very brief synopsis of who they are:
    Being born again involves being baptized in water (“born from water”) and begotten by God’s spirit (“born from . . . spirit”), thus becoming a son of God with the prospect of sharing in the Kingdom of God. (John 3:3-5) Jesus had this experience, as do the 144,000 who are heirs with him of the heavenly Kingdom.

  • 01e1ngvar

    Prove it by Scriptures then.

  • Emery

    Thursday evenings between 4pm and 5pm is an open slot. It will take six to twelve months for the study. And IF God sees in you an honest heart, He will open up the meaning of the scriptures to you, and you will have your “proof”. Otherwise, the veil Satan has placed over the meaning of the scriptures will remain in place, and you will never know. Only God can help you pierce through that veil. I can help with the study, but it takes God to provide the understanding. So, if you want “proof”, this is the only way that exists for you to get such proof. You can study with one of God’s people where you live though, it’s much more convenient, I am sure. You will have to start at the beginning.

  • First you say, “ I said it takes the ENTIRE Christian Greek scriptures to explain everything about the 144,000, and I meant that, and nothing more, especially not what you added as sarcasm.”

    Now, you are saying that it takes 6-12 months of study. And again, I bet that they use more than the entire Christian Greek scriptures.

    2nd- Did the thief on the cross have to do 6-12 months of study and scripture memory?

    3rd- Did the Ethiopian Eunuch have to do 6-12 months of study?
    Acts 8:29 And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go over and join this chariot.” 30 So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?” 31 And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. 32 Now the passage of the Scripture that he was reading was this:

    “Like a sheep he was led to the slaughter
    and like a lamb before its shearer is silent,
    so he opens not his mouth.
    33 In his humiliation justice was denied him.
    Who can describe his generation?
    For his life is taken away from the earth.”
    34 And the eunuch said to Philip, “About whom, I ask you, does the prophet say this, about himself or about someone else?” 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus. 36 And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?” 38 And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.

    I’ll wait patiently for Emery to show me any verses that state that study is required for salvation. Or, any verses showing anyone doing a 3-6 months study before they were saved. Or, I guess the only other option is a confession that JW’s requirements for salvation exceed the requirements that Jesus and the apostle Paul shared with us. Or, another dodge, followed by an extra-Biblical teaching that makes JW’s look like humble scholars and everyone else will look like a fool.

    • Ron

      Rick here is Emery 5 August 2016 at 9:29 am

      A BIBLE BELIEVER LOOKS AT THE CULT TEACHINGS OF THE JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES

      http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/bible-believer-looks-cult-teaching-jehovahs-witnesses/#comment-1428281

      EMERY QUOTE:”If we become God’s friend, we “MIGHT” get saved.”:EMERY END QUOTE

      WHAT DOES GODS WORD SAY ABOUT GETTING SAVED???????????????????????????????????????????????????

      Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

      Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

      Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

      Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

      Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

      Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

      Romans 10:13 FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD “SHALL BE SAVED.” ( SHALL NOT MIGHT OR MAYBE)

      John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

      John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

      John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

      Just pray this prayer or put it into your own words. The key is that you truly mean it. “Father, I believe and receive Jesus Christ and the forgiveness He died on the cross to purchase for me. Please forgive me of my sin and cleanse me. Come into my heart as You promised. Make me what You want me to be.”

      If you prayed that prayer and truly meant it, you are now a part of God’s eternal family. You are ready, not only to leave this world when Jesus Christ returns for His true followers, but you are ready to face daily life with His strength and joy and peace. Just ask Him to lead you and help you. He will.

      Romans 10:13 FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD “SHALL BE SAVED.” ( “SHALL”, NOT MIGHT, OR MAYBE)

      Romans 10:13 FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD “SHALL BE SAVED.” ( “SHALL”, NOT MIGHT, OR MAYBE)

      Romans 10:13 FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD “SHALL BE SAVED.” ( “SHALL”, NOT MIGHT, OR MAYBE)

      Romans 10:13 FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD “SHALL BE SAVED.” ( “SHALL”, NOT MIGHT, OR MAYBE)

      EMERY WILL DISTORT THIS SCRIPTURE TO FIT HIS IDEAS.

  • Emery

    Now YOU’RE being stupid. If you knew the accounts you mentioned, you would know that they studied what scriptures they could get all the time. And back then, there was no mention of the annointed 144,000. That was an arrangement Jesus made with his Father and our Father. And neither were their minds and thoughts polluted with all the false religions of Christendom of today. To teach one the scriptures today takes a lot more work than it did two thousand years ago, or even longer ago. The people of God before Jesus’ time on Earth were Israel, and they were taught from early childhood all the scriptures available, and all the things of God. They learned them at the temple, and the tent of meeting in the wilderness also. You seem to know VERY LITTLE about the scritures, and God. All you seem to do is to disparage God’s servants today, just like all the other apostate religionists on this blog site.

    God’s servants don’t care what they look like, except to glorify God. There are no “dodges” except with false religions, mostly of Christendom, and the religionists who participate in those religions God commanded all to flee from.

    YOUR ideas about God are not GOD’S ideas about Him. His thoughts are higher than our thoughts. It doesn’t belong to man even to direct his steps. And yet, you think you’re smarter than God, and know more about God’s word than the only group on Earth who know His word thoroughly, and who live by that word. That’s your choice, but it’s a poor one. One that will result in God destroying you in the tribulation and final battle.

  • Ron

    Amen Ole!

    God Bless You Brother!

  • Ron

    The only enemy of God is you Emery because you said you might get saved, WHERE AS…..

    WE ARE SAVED!

    1 John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

    1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

    1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

    1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

    YOU DO NOT HAVE THE SON AND THERE FOR DO NOT KNOW HIS FATHER!

    LOOK UP THE WORD “KNOW” EMERY IT HAS A SPECIAL MEANING IN GOD’S WORD

    AND ALL OF US “KNOW” GOD BECAUSE WE HAVE BELIEVED ON HIS SON AND KNOW HIM ALSO.

    YOU PROVE YOU DO NOT KNOW JESUS CHRIST AND THUS YOU CAN DO NOTHING TO PLEASE GOD WITHOUT HIM!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ron

    Yes Emery your Veil is still there blinding you to the Truth.

    Ole already has the Veil removed and understands The Scriptures you do not.

  • Emery

    Ron;
    You couldn’t be more wrong, and because of your absolute lack of humility, won’t know it until the end. One can’t be saved until the time for salvation has arrived either. Your knowledge of scripture seems to be a vacuum it’s so far below zero.

  • Emery, you said that I think that I’m smarter than God, which is a LIE. I’ve NEVER said that here, or anywhere. Ask anyone who knows me, and they will tell you that those thoughts would never enter my mind.

    Let’s face it Emery, you know as well as I do that JW theology has changed over the years. Significant changes! Who is the “Faithful Slave” spoken of by Jesus in Matthew? According to Wikipedia, the JW’s thought that it was:

    1881- Charles Taze Russell identified the “faithful and wise servant” as “that ‘little flock’ of consecrated servants who are faithfully carrying out their consecration vows—the body of Christ … the whole body individually and collectively, giving the meat in due season to the household of faith—the great company of believers.

    1895- Russell’s wife Maria claimed that Russell himself was the figure referred to in the parable at Matthew 24:45-47, though Russell initially declined to accept the personal application of the title, suggesting that it should apply to the Watch Tower rather than its editor.

    1897- Russell agreed that Christ would have made a “choice of one channel for dispensing the meat in due season [emphasis in the original]” and while he did not refer to that “one channel” as an individual, Russell did apply to it the personal pronoun “he” (for example: “if unfaithful he will be deposed entirely”), and noted “whoever the Lord will so use, as a truth-distributing agent, will be very humble and unassuming” and “he would not think of claiming authorship or ownership of the truth.”

    1909- in an unsigned article, the Watch Tower mentioned that the “application to us of Matthew 24:45” had come “some fourteen years ago”, or about 1895. The article went on to say “the Society’s literature was the channel through which the Lord sent them practically all that they know about the Bible and the Divine purposes.”

    The prevailing view among Bible Students that Russell was “the faithful and wise servant” of Jesus’ parable, was reiterated in the Watch Tower a few weeks after Russell’s death in 1916. Thousands of the readers of Pastor Russell’s writings believe that he filled the office of “that faithful and wise servant,” and that his great work was giving to the Household of Faith meat in due season. His modesty and humility precluded him from openly claiming this title, but he admitted as much in private conversation.

    1917- In the publisher’s preface to the book, The Finished Mystery, issued as a posthumous publication of Russell’s writings, identified him as the “faithful and wise servant” appointed by Christ; as late as 1923, the Watch Tower repeated the same belief about his role, declaring: “We believe that all who are now rejoicing in present truth will concede that Brother Russell faithfully filled the office of special servant of the Lord; and that he was made ruler over all the Lord’s goods … Brother Russell occupied the office of that ‘faithful and wise servant’.

    1927- Watch Tower Society president Joseph Rutherford reverted to Russell’s original viewpoint, announcing that the “servant” was not an individual, but was made up of the entire body of faithful spirit-anointed Christians.

    1950- An issue of The Watchtower appeared to assign to the “mother organization”—in reference to the Watch Tower Society—the task of feeding Christians “meat in due season”.

    1951- Watchtower magazine defined the “faithful and discreet slave” as a class of people whose teachings were imparted through a theocratic organization.

    2000- the Governing Body was increasingly described as the representative and “spokesman” for God’s “faithful and discreet slave class”.

    Did the “Truth” change, or did the understanding of the truth change? This begs lots of questions. Russell died a long time ago. What is his eternal hope? Heaven? Then you have to say that a person who believed Pagan ideas (celebrating birthdays, Christmas. etc. and a guy who didn’t recognize who the governing Body was, is in heaven. And, a person lived in Russell’s time, and was considered one of the 144,000 had serious theological errors in their thinking. Not to mentioned they believed failed prophecies, drinking forbidden, can’t play chess, don’t need to do door to door ministry, etc, etc. I don’t want to hear the JW canned position about these significant changes, or your attempts to justify Russell and a host of others have a heavenly hope, even though they’d be disfellowshipped for such beliefs if they walked into your kingdom hall and tried to teach those things. Don’t bother. Just think about these things. Ask the Lord to open your eyes, and see if there be any wicked ways within you. I will do the same.

    I know that you have been taught that we are all God haters, and are not in the truth. But, what if you are wrong? What if you are the stiff necked person, following the teachings of men? How do you know the truth? How do you know for sure that the JW’s teach the truth? Especially if they make significant changes in their teachings?

    Are you sure that yours in the right path to a right relationship with YHWH? Read Matthew 25:41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; 43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’ 44 Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

    Or James 1:27 Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

    Door knocking isn’t mentioned, is it?

  • Emery

    I am beginning to think you are no smarter than Ron, and he couldn’t out think a bucket of mud.

  • Emery, Would you be willing to ask YHWH is you have any incorrect thinking?
    I am humble enough to admit that I almost certainly have mistakes in my theology. Emery, are you able to make the same confession?

  • Emery

    “is you have any incorrect thinking? And If you have theology, you think you’re God. It’s GOD’S theology Rick, not mine, not yours, not anyone’s.

  • Emery, sorry about that. Allow me to rephrase my question. Would you be willing to ask YHWH if you have any incorrect thinking?
    I am humble enough to admit that I almost certainly have mistakes in my understanding of the Bible. Are you willing to make the same confession?

  • Emery

    Do you not understand the rediculousness of that question? First of all, it is not any of your business what I do or don’t do. Second, EVERY human has “incorrect thinking”, being all imperfect. And third of all, one cannot ask Jehovah questions like that and expect an answer. And fourth, you’re not Jewish, and don’t write in Hebrew, so writing YHWH is just pretentious. His name is Jehovah. He wants us to know and use His name, always. Why do you refuse to obey Him? Would your friends not like it? What any other human thinks of you is of no concern Rick, it’s what Jehovah thinks that counts. And ONLY what Jehovah thinks, that counts.

  • Somehow I knew a dodge would be in my future, and it wouldn’t come from Detroit.
    John 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”
    We can know about George Washington, but can’t know him. Knowing someone requires relationship. Read through the OT and NT and you see relationship with the Father.
    We are called to a relationship with the Father, through the Son. What is prayer, but a conversation with our Lord?

    A clear understanding of John 14 that Jesus didn’t leave us to finish this race on our own. He left the Holy Spirit to dwell within us.
    1 “Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. 2 In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. 4 And you know the way to where I am going.” 5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?” 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.”

    8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.

    12 “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father. 13 Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.

    Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit
    15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, 17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.

    18 “I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. 21 Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.” 22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, “Lord, how is it that you will manifest yourself to us, and not to the world?” 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father’s who sent me.

    25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid. 28 You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. 29 And now I have told you before it takes place, so that when it does take place you may believe. 30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me, 31 but I do as the Father has commanded me, so that the world may know that I love the Father. Rise, let us go from here.

    Over and over again we read in the book of Acts how the Holy Spirit lead someone to do this or that. Kept Paul from going here, and lead him to go there. Relationship.

    II Cor 12 we read how the Apostle Paul’s relationship with the Father brought him great comfort in times of trial- 7 So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

  • Emery

    I am getting rather tired of you people, when you don’t get what you want, calling it a “dodge”. Just stop the baloney.

    Now you say holy spirit was used here and there to do this and that. Yes, but it was ONLY USED WITH THE ANNOINTED 144,000, and NO ONE ELSE. You are not annointed, I am not annointed, only the ones invited by God to be His adopted sons are annointed. THAT’S IT. No one else Rick.

    One cannot have a “relationship” with an impersonal force. NO ONE has a relationship with God’s spirit. It’s NOT A PERSON. It’s a THING. It’s a FORCE, like electricity is a force.

    You claim “a clear understanding” also. No, you have no clear understanding of ANY of the scriptures you so tediously posted. You don’t even understand God’s holy spirit. You don’t understand God. You don’t understand Jesus. You don’t understand God’s inspired word. So no, you poses NO CLEAR UNDERSTANDING of any of the scriptures.

    2 Corinthians 4:2 But we have renounced the shameful, underhanded things, not walking with cunning or adulterating the word of God; but by making the truth manifest, we recommend ourselves to every human conscience in the sight of God. 3 If, in fact, the good news we declare is veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.

    Those who “are perishing” is ANYONE who is not one of the holy spirit annointed 144,000, or who is not one of the fellow workers of the 144,000 remnant alive at the time. They today are known as the “faithful and discreet slave”. Today being the “end times” which began when Jesus sat on his throne a hundred years ago. We are in fact in the END of the end times. It’s about over, and it’s about to change dramatically, and for the worse for those who are the ones who “are perishing”. The ones who are the annointed 144,000 and their co-workers, the “great crowd” will be protected by God in the tribulation and final battle. Afterward, everyone except them will be dead and gone, laying all over the Earth, with the birds and the wild animals eating their flesh for six minths. Then the survivors, the “great crowd”, will begin the process of burying the bones of the unbelievers. Then the resurrections begin, of those who did not die in the tribulation, final battle, or great flood of Noah’s day. Of course anyone else who God deems “wicked”, or who died as a judgement from God in the past will not be resurrected.

    These are things you could know if you were able to understand God’s inspired word. Since Satan has hidden their meaning from you, you think that you’ve got a good understanding of the scriptures, and what you understand doesn’t compare with what I’ve been posting, and you therefore claim I am wrong. I assure you Rick ,I am not wrong. Now what would be the difference in your mind if you suddenly found out that I am not wrong, but that you are, and that everyone on this blog is wrong, and that you’r religions are wrong? How would you feel, and what would you do? Because this IS the case. The veil Satan has placed over the true meaning of God’s word is impenetrable. NOTHING can allow you to get through it, except God Himself. And He won’t help you if you keep saying false things about Him, Jesus, His word, and His servants, and if you continue to be part of the world, and part of false religion. If you abandon that life, and put on the new life Jesus offered, things will then begin to become clear to you. Until then, stop arguing about the meaning of God’s inspired word with me.

  • Since you don’t have a relationship with the Father, are you absolutely sure that you are not the one being deceived? No-one who is deceived thinks that he is deceived. Is there a cult that tells its followers, “You are in a cult.”? Of course not. Every cult I’ve heard of teaches their members that they are not in a cult. If you have to be told that you are not in a cult, that is the first sign that you just may be in one. (Not necessarily saying JW’s are a cult).
    You won’t even ask the Father to reveal Himself to you. You proudly say that are able to understand God’s inspired word, yet it appears to me that you do it all in the flesh. You listen to men, who have been proven wrong. It’s not betting brighter and brighter. In some cases, it’s back and forth and back and forth, like a person lost in the woods, who won’t admit that he is lost. You read and study their words, and interpret God’s revealed words through the mind of men, and not the Spirit.

    I would beg with you to humbly ask the Lord to reveal Himself to you. Ask Him if there is any way for to have a relationship with Him. Imagine living in a home, and knowing that your dad is there, but only knowing him because of general letters written about him. No dialogue. Just studying ABOUT him, but not actually knowing him. It may sound crazy. I get that. And, if He can’t or won’t make Himself known to you, then you have lost nothing but a couple minutes of your time. If however, He wants to spend time with you, and be your comforter in times of trouble. If He wants you to call Him “Father” and wants you to be a son to Him, isn’t it worth a quick prayer from a humble heart? He says that we will find Him when we seek with all our heart. Are you seeking a Father, or simply following a bunch of rules?

  • Romans 8:16

    16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

    Please think about this verse for a while. Try to ignore the teaching that you know, and humbly meditate on this verse.

  • Emery

    What do you mean by “Since you don’t have a relationship with the Father”. Who in the wide world of sports do you think you are? I’ve ALWAYS had a TREMENDOUS relationship with the Father, and for you to matter of factly say I don’t, is showing your true colors Rick.

    I am absolutely sure God doesn’t deceive people, and therefore yes, I am absolutely sure He hasn’t deceived me. Again, you think God deceives people, and that is actually an attack on God for you to say that. No, God, nor Jesus, began no “cults” Rick. If you want to see one up close, go to a “born again Christian” church. Now THAT’S a cult. It exactly fits all the textbook definitions of a cult, to the letter.

    You again make claims about me, that you have NO WAY OF KNOWING at all. You again matter of factly stated “You won’t even ask the Father to reveal Himself to you”. Exactly how hard are you trying to be dishonest Rick? But there is, also, no reason to ask the Father to “reveal Himself to me”, since we are friends and have been for a long time. What you intimate is totally absurd. Would you ask your wife, whom you’ve known for years, hypothetically, to finally “reveal herself” to you? No, certainly not. You already know her, and she already knows you. You’re simply being rediculous.

    And what “rules” would I be following, other than God’s rules Rick? What are you talking about anyway? It seems like you’ve gone off on tangents uncountable. The things you are saying are the things ONLY found in religions, false religions. Nowhere in the inspired word of God can those things be found. They’re the teachings OF MEN, not of God. You follow men, you don’t follow God. One cannot have two masters, as you do, because one gets ignored, and the other gets worshiped, and it’s not God who is being worshiped when you are part of a religion of man.

  • According to a secular magazine article- Marks of a cult
    1. Opposing critical thinking

    2. Isolating members and penalizing them for leaving

    3. Emphasizing special doctrines outside scripture

    4. Seeking inappropriate loyalty to their leaders

    5. Dishonoring the family unit

    6. Crossing Biblical boundaries of behavior (versus sexual purity and personal ownership)

    7. Separation from the Church

    A link to another list- http://www.wikihow.com/Tell-if-a-Church-is-a-Cult

    Another one-
    Compare these patterns to the situation you were in (or in which you, a family member, or friend is currently involved). This list may help you determine if there is cause for concern. Bear in mind that this list is not meant to be a cult scale or a definitive checklist to determine if a specific group is a cult. This is not so much a diagnostic instrument as it is an analytical tool.
    ‪- The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.
    ‪- Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
    ‪- Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).
    ‪- The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).
    ‪- The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).
    -‪ The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.
    ‪- The leader(s) is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).
    -‪ The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members’ participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).
    ‪- The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt in order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.
    -‪ Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.
    ‪- The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
    ‪- The group is preoccupied with making money.
    -‪ Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.
    ‪- Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.
    ‪- The most loyal members (the true believers) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.

    Sorry Emery, my church doesn’t fit these descriptions. How many of these traits are found at the local Kingdom Hall?

  • Emery

    Yes, your church does fit the definition of a cult. Simply because you post one writer’s thoughts on the matter, does not change anything. One person, one writer’s thoughts, do not define something. And simply because you rationalize away the paralells of the born again Christian church to a cult also doesn’t mean you are correct. You are rationalizing. They teach false things, and shame those who disagree. they solicit your money, lots of it. They discourage association with anyone different from them. They teach you falsehoods about other organizations, constantly. They lie about God’s word, God, Jesus, and God’s servants. And on, and on, and on. The members of the cult militantly defend their misbegotten beliefs with all alacrity. Many are vicious in that defense. Most are actually abusive, and almost fanatical in their defense of the church. Even though God’s inspired word says they are false religion. Something the church you are a member of simply brushes away like it’s a mosquito.

    But it’s amazing how many of that magazine’s article’s list of attributes of a cult, exactly match the born again church. Quite amazing.

    And why do you put SO MUCH EFFORT into posting something like that, rather than learning about God? You are taking valuable study time and wasting it on unprofitable endeavors. The ONLY profitable endeavor is studying and worshiping God. Worshiping Him IN THE WAY HE COMMANDS. That’s something your church will NEVER do. Simply by existing they are disobeying God. And simply by being part of that church, YOU are disobeying God.

  • Ron

    Thanks for posting that rick!

    what did you think about his claim of The Holy Spirit being a thing and not a person that is Blaphemous if ever

    Emery’s post 24 August 2016 at 9:17 am

    5 or 6 posts above this one

    I copied that for future use.

    God Bless You rick!

  • Emery

    NOWHERE does it say that “13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” and one will not have to do anything more”. And that scripture is written by one of the 144,000, TO others of the 144,000, and ABOUT those of the 144,000.

    Your understanding of God’s word is zero, and that will never change unless you obey God down to the last detail. Only then will He open up the meaning of God’s word TO YOU. Until then, you will remain IN THE DARK.

    • Ron

      NOW YOU ARE REALLY LYING EMERY!

      Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

      Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

      Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

      Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

      Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

      Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

      NOTICE WHAT I WROTE IT WAS NOT JUST A 13 YOU LIAR

      Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

      THAT IS ROMANS 10:13

      YOU ARE SUCH A LIAR YOU HAVEN’T EVEN MADE THE POST AS I ACTUALLY WROTE IT YOU BIG FAT LYING HYPOCRITE!

      EVERYONE READ MY POST ( THAT EMERY IS NOW TRYING TO SUDDENLY QUOTE WHILE LYING ABOUT IT!!!!)

      Ron 23 August 2016 at 6:36 pm

      Emery did not post what I wrote!

      and in that post was Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

      no what Emery wrote in His lie above I SEE HIS TACTICS NOW QUOTE SOMETHING WAY LATER IN HOPES NONE OF YOU

      WILL BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT WAS ACTUALLY WRITTEN!

      LYING EMERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ron, You have to remember that JW’s are taught to avoid “independent thinking”. Which is of course silly. When they come to your door, they want you to do independent thinking that would lead you away from your local church. But once you join them, they condemn independent thinking. Another of their inconsistencies. Anyway, they teach that the Holy Spirit is a “force”. Meaning Ananias and Sephira lied to a force, along with other issues. I doubt any thinking person would teach that Jesus is actually Michael the Archangel, but yeah, they believe that too.

    Russell taught that drinking was sin, and so everyone in their kingdom halls believed that. Then “Judge” (not a real judge, just a lawyer) Rutherford came into power and evidently he was quite the drinker. Guess what? Yep, the drinking ban was lifted. Total reversal. Another funny thing about them is that Russell didn’t do door to door, nor advocate for such “ministry”. I wonder if those people in that generation will make it to heaven if door to door is expected of believers??? Anyway, door to door started with “Judge” Rutherford. Want to guess at how Rutherford put himself through college and law school? As a door to door salesman. So, guess he saw how effective that was, and mandated it. Not really mandated, but certainly expected of the members who can walk. They even have a number of hours expected of their members. You have to log your hours or else…

    Bear in mind that when they do communion (Lord’s supper, or as they call it “evening meal”) only the 144,000 get to partake. I asked one to point me to the scripture behind it, and as you can imagine, they couldn’t. Let’s think this weird contradiction as well… The anointed class (144,000) get to take the bread and cup, because the disciples were told to do that. Now, the disciples were also told to do door to door. Does that mean only men are to do door to door? Does that mean only anointed class are to do door to door? No, another contradiction missed by JW’s.

    Here’s a fun one… When a witness comes to your door, he’d consider you a “humble” person if you read their material and started a “Bible Study” with them. However, if you came to their door and offered them material that didn’t follow Watchtower teachings, they would NOT take it. It would be considered “apostate material” and “spiritual pornography”. Here’s where it gets good….

    Next time a JW comes to your door and tries to get you to read their material, ask who wrote it. Ask if the author could be a former protestant. They will have to say, “Yes, that is possible”. Then, tell them that you don’t read apostate material, because it is spiritual pornography. Then watch as their mouth hangs open in shock!

    Before they run away, ask if they are any part of the world. Then ask if they send their kids to the public schools. If they don’t hang their head in shame, ask if Jehovah would like what their kids learn in school.

    I could go on about their hypocrisy, but I think you get the idea.

  • Now, read as Emery calls my comments, lies, etc. Then, if you want go to the web and do your own research. If I’m wrong, let me know, and I’ll apologize.

  • Emery

    Yes Rick, you have never been to any meetings and SEEN anyone being taught to have no independent thinking. Nowhere in God’s word does it say to teach God’s servants to have no independent thinking, and no servant (witness) of God has ever TOLD you that such occurs. Therefore, you HAVE lied blatantly. Just like Ron. Is lying a habit, or do you think it will help you? Do you expect to gain something by lying? There must be a reason. What you state is of course completely rediculous.

    Then you posted: “When they come to your door, they want you to do independent thinking that would lead you away from your local church.” which also is an absolute untruth, a lie. No witness has ever tried to “lead you away from your local church” either. Never happened. Our job is to proclaim the NAME OF GOD, and to preach the KINGDOM OF THE HEAVENS. We lead people TO GOD, not FROM ANYTHING. Nothing you’ve said about God’s witnesses is actually even close to truth. Not one single thing. Is that supposed to be “not lying” Rick? No, IT IS LYING. And “going to the web to do your own research” isn’t going to teach you ANYTHING accurate about God’s witnesses, unless you go to THEIR WEB SITE. There are literally millions of disparaging, false, lying web sites out there about us, and their goal is to do what YOUR goal is; to disparage God’s Earthly servants, and conversely to disparage God Himself. To attack God’s servants IS TO ATTACK GOD. To lie about Him is to ATTACK HIM. To lie about His servants IS TO ATTACK HIM.

    Your posts about what Russel taught also are completely false too. You have NO IDEA what Russel taught, and what he taught has no bearing on today’s witnesses. HE IS DEAD. He was nothing more than a co-worker then, and if he was alive today, he would be nothing but a co-worker today. We are ALL CO-WORKERS. All equal. No one is more or less important to any degree. But you OBSESS about a dead guy. You ATTACK a dead guy. If that’s how you get your jollies, more power to you, but it’s VERY WEIRD. Very strange behavior. Any obsession is psychopathology and should be treated by professionals. Obsessions ARE NOT NORMAL.

    You posted: “I doubt any thinking person would teach that Jesus is actually Michael the Archangel, but yeah, they believe that too. ” Your “doubt” is unfounded, since Jesus is referred in that manner, no other conclusion can be arrived at: 1 Thessalonians 4:16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first

    Since there can be ONLY ONE ARCHANGEL, (it means head of all the angels), and only has the ONE VOICE, and that he CREATED all the angels, and is elsewhere called the head of all the angels, to think otherwise is to NOT be a thinking person.

    As I said, you have no physical way to understand God’s word, no matter how hard you may try to think or claim you do. You are NOT stronger than the supernatural Satan. He was an angel. Are you claiming you are more powerful, and smarter than an angel? Man is lower than the angels. They are “sons of God”. They LIVE in heaven with God. YOU DON’T. NONE of your reasoning will EVER get you anywhere. None of your thinking, researching, or talking to others, or searching the web, will EVER help you to grasp the meaning of God’s inspired word. Not to mention the fact that you don’t even HAVE a copy of God’s word. You have a KJV Bible. It is NOT the inspired word of God.

  • Ron

    The “NEW WORLD TRANSLATION” OF THE JW’S IS JUST THAT IT IS THE NEW WORLD ORDER TRANSLATION

    AND IT IS THE INSPIRED WORD OF SATAN.

    THE KING JAMES BIBLE IS THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD.

    HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT EMERY USES CIRCULAR REASONING TO PROVE THE SO CALLED AUTHENTICITY.

    THAT IS LIKE AN EVOLUTIONIST WITH A GEOLOGIST ABOUT HOW OLD A ROCK IS WITH A FOSSIL IN IT.

    SHOWING ROCK WITH FOSSIL TO PALEONTOLOGIST AND ASKING HOW OLD IS THIS ROCK

    WELL IT IS SEVERAL HUNDRED MILLION YEARS OLD, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?

    BECAUSE THE GEOLOGIST SAYS THE ROCK IT IS IN IS THAT OLD.

    SHOWING ROCK WITH FOSSIL TO GEOLOGIST AND ASKING HOW OLD IS THIS ROCK

    WELL IT IS SEVERAL HUNDRED MILLION YEARS OLD, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?

    BECAUSE THE PALEONTOLOGIST SAYS THE FOSSIL IS THAT OLD.

    Blessings rick

  • Emery

    Interesting. A Bible created to match the beliefs of the Church of England, by a homosexual King, who used only the Masoretic text and nothing more, that contains over 20,000 deliberately CHANGED words with added and removed words in it, you think is the inspired word of God. It does contain some of the word of God, but very little. A Bible that exactly matches all 16,000 existing ancient texts from which most Bibles are translated, has restored the MISSING personal name of God, and removed the added spurious texts found in the KJV, is the word of Satan? You’re essentially saying the inspired word of God is the inspired word of Satan. You are calling Jeohvah God, Satan. No translation is iinspired by God. He didn’t inspire any translation. He inspired ancient Koine Greek and ancient Hebrew, so your first statements are a total lie at best. MEN did the translating, NOT GOD. Men who CHANGED the scriptures to match WHAT THEY WANTED, and IGNORED what God said. How interesting that you believe MEN, and DON’T believe God. Even more interesting that you say God is Satan. Not possible. God cannot be His enemy, Satan, WHOM GOD CREATED. How can God create Himself? I think you must be intoxicated or something.

    • Ron

      Emery everything you accuse The KJV Bible and King James of, and the errors in The KJV Bible is what your whole society and Russel are the

      ones guilty of those things. Your NWT has that many errors, your Russel was a homo, and your society is a cult.

      You are guilty of all the very things you accuse me, rick, Leonard, Ole, Geoffrey, and everyone else of……..

      which proves who your father really is……

      Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the ACCUSER of our brethren is cast down, which ACCUSED them before our God day and night.

      Satan is the accuser of the Brethren yet you act just like Satan your father Emery.

      Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

      I guess why wouldn’t you be coming from the synagogue of Satan.

      accuse and excuse right Emery!

  • Oh, Emery. Do yourself a favor, and stop trying to deceive people. You have lost so much credibility with your deceptions. But here, I’ll show that once again you are trying to deceive people. And, please don’t tell us that these are old teachings that have changed, unless you can show us a more recent contradictory WT teaching.

    The Watchtower January 15th 1983 Issue, Page 22:
    “Avoid Independent Thinking”
    “Avoid…. questioning the counsel that is provided by God’s visible organization.”
    “How is such independent thinking manifested? A common way is by questioning the counsel that is provided by God’s visible organization.”————————————
    The Watchtower January 15th 1983 Issue, Page 27:
    “….some who point out that the organization has had to make some adjustments before, and so they argue: “This shows that we have to make up our own mind on what to believe.” This is independent thinking. Why is it so dangerous?”
    “Fight against independent thinking.”
    The Watchtower September 15th 1989 Issue, Page 23:
    “In the world, there is a tendency to reject leadership. As one lecturer said: ;’The rising education level has improved the talent pool such that followers have become so critical that they are almost impossible to lead.’ But a spirit of independent thinking does not prevail in God’s organization, and we have sound reasons for confidence in the men taking the lead among us.”
    (Perhaps this is why the organization does not want it’s young to attend college. Intelligent people are more difficult to lead.)
    Watchtower March 15th 1986 Issue, Page 17:
    “Beware of those who try to put forward their own contrary opinions.”
    The Watchtower July 1st 1994 Issue, Pages 12-13:
    “As loyal servants of Jehovah, why would we even want to peek at the propaganda put out by rejecters of Jehovah’s table….”
    The Watchtower August 1st 1960 Issue, Page 474:
    “Jehovah’s witnesses, though international, are ‘one heart and soul,’ of the ‘same mind’ and the ‘same line of though.'”
    The Watchtower June 1st 1967 Issue, Page 338:
    “….in Jehovah’s organization it is not necessary to spend a lot of time and energy in research, for there are brothers in the organization who are assigned to that very thing….”
    The Watchtower August 1st 1972 Issue, Page 458:
    “….the Watchtower study conductor, who presides over this meeting, has an important responsibility. This study enables all to be united in the same line of thought.”
    The Watchtower August 1st 1980 Issue, Page 19:
    “Thus, the one who doubts to the point of becoming an apostate sets himself up as a judge. He thinks he knows better than his fellow Christians, better also than the ‘faithful and discreet slave,’ through whom he has learned the best part, if not all that he knows about Jehovah God and his purposes.”
    The Watchtower March 15th 1986 Issue, Page 12:
    “Do you wisely destroy apostate material?”
    The Watchtower March 15th 1986 Issue, Page 14:
    “Why is reading apostate publications similar to reading pornographic literature?”
    Watchtower, February 1st 1987 Issue, Page 19:
    “First of all, there is the matter of being obedient and ready to respond to encouragement. When direction and encouragement come from the proper source, it is only right that we should respond readily.”
    “We also remember that one feature of ‘the wisdom from above’ is being ‘ready to obey.’ (James 3:17) These are qualities that all Christians are encouraged to put on. Due to background and upbringing, some may be more given to independent thinking and self-will than others. Perhaps this is an area where we need to discipline ourselves and ‘make our mind over’ so that we can perceive more clearly what the ‘will of God’ is. Romans 12:2.”

    Relative to Jesus being an angel. That does NOT say that He is an angel. It is a stretch to think that way, but even if you did, you’d have to included into your thinking what the author of Hebrews said about Jesus and angels-

    Hebrews 1:1 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. 3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.
    5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
    “You are my Son,
    today I have begotten you”?
    Or again,
    “I will be to him a father,
    and he shall be to me a son”?
    6 And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says,
    “Let all God’s angels worship him.”
    7 Of the angels he says,
    “He makes his angels winds,
    and his ministers a flame of fire.”
    8 But of the Son he says,
    “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
    the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
    9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
    therefore God, your God, has anointed you
    with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”
    10 And,
    “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning,
    and the heavens are the work of your hands;
    11 they will perish, but you remain;
    they will all wear out like a garment,
    12 like a robe you will roll them up,
    like a garment they will be changed.[a]
    But you are the same,
    and your years will have no end.”
    13 And to which of the angels has he ever said,
    “Sit at my right hand
    until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet”?
    14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?

    And in Hebrews 2:5 – For it was not to angels that God subjected the world to come, of which we are speaking.

  • “A Bible created to match the beliefs of the Church of England, by a homosexual King, who used only …”
    Obsessing about a dead man Emery?
    May I quote you again?
    “…it’s VERY WEIRD. Very strange behavior. Any obsession is psychopathology and should be treated by professionals. Obsessions ARE NOT NORMAL.”

  • Ron

    Thanks Rick! I know it’s all true.

    God Bless!

  • Emery

    I have never tried to deceive anyone. I have no deceptions. I could not care any less than I do right now about having any credibility with anyone who clings to false religion, and I don’t care about your misconceptions about any Watchtower articles you may think you understand. I wouldn’t even be surprised if you changed the text of them to match your lies Rick. It’s kind of funny how the liar calls others a liar. How the one who deceives accuses others of deceiving. How the liars and deceivers call the true servants of God anything they can to disparage them, since those liars and deceivers cannot understand God or His word at all. It’s like if they can’t grasp it, then no one is allowed to. If they cannot obey God, no one should be allowed to. It really does appear as though you want all to follow Satan, and to abandon God the Almighty. It actually, really does look that way. In fact, that is the effect you are really trying to cause, whether you know it, or not. That is what you’re doing. You are directly opposing God the Almighty.

  • Emery

    I am tall, but not “big”, nor “fat”, nor a liar, nor a hypocrite Ron. Emery doesn’t lie Ron, but Ron has made a career of lying it seems. And either he stutters, or his keyboard has a stuttering error where it types the same thing many times.

    What I posted about your Romans 10:13 quote is 100% accurate down to the last tiny detail Ron. But I can see how pea brains have a hard time processing it. It takes thought and meditation and intelligence and logic, and it takes THOROUGH knowledge of the ENTIRE Christian Greek scriptures, NOT just a piece here and a piece there, as you seem to only have briefly read.

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