Apostate Pastor Rick Warren And Elton John Hold Hands In Congress, Joke About Kissing Each Other

After taking their seats at the witness table, the giddy pair laughed and smiled as they held hands, with Warren saying “Amen” and cautioning Elton John that if they kissed it would be “the kiss heard ‘round the world.” Is Rick Warren trying to tell us something here, is there a "coming out" moment in his future? Hard to say at this point, but sure looks like it.
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Rick Warren told Elton John that their kiss would be “the kiss heard round the world”

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.” 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 (KJV)

Laodicean church pastor Rick Warren appeared in Congress with pop icon and outspoken homosexual Elton John on Wednesday to ask for more money for AIDS research. They were clearly having such a good time that they started holding hands as you see in the photo below.

After taking their seats at the witness table, the giddy pair laughed and smiled as they held hands, with Warren saying “Amen” and cautioning Elton John that if they kissed it would be “the kiss heard ‘round the world.” Is Rick Warren trying to tell us something here, is there a “coming out” moment in his future? Hard to say at this point, but sure looks like it.

Is Rick Warren A Secret Sodomite?

Such is the state of the professing Christian Church in 2015, weak, powerless, and effeminate. Elton John, the man who has worn more wigs and dresses than Marilyn Monroe, we expect this from. But Rick Warren claims to be a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Here was his perfect opportunity to lovingly and graciously tell not only Elton John, but all of Congress that without being born again they will die and go to a Devil’s Hell. But instead, he holds hands with a gay man, and jokes about kissing him. It was a joke, right?

“And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.” Revelation 3:14-16 (KJV)

Rick Warren is the perfect representative of the Church of Laodicea in the last days.

So to Elton John, if you are reading this, I lovingly invite you to get saved and believe the gospel that Jesus Christ was crucified, died, buried and rose again on the 3rd day to purchase forgiveness for your sins on the cross at Calvary.

And Rick Warren, if  you are reading this, I extend the very same invitation to you as well.

Last days indeed…

 


 

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  • John

    These men are here attempting to get financial support for Aids research/treatment. Why must we find fault with them on this occasion? So what if they are holding hands? They are in agreement on their objective, and that is absolutely okay. Neither are making a religious or theological statement other than they stand in agreement to address Aids. Good for them. More Christians should do the same, IMO.

    • NO, this is NOT ok! Two men holding hands is “not ok”. Rick Warren says he is a minister of the gospel. Would Jesus do this? Never in a million years. But what Jesus would have done is told Elton John that, unless he got saved, that he would burn in a Devil’s Hell for all eternity. My own brother died of AIDS in 1988, I am not unsympathetic to the plight of people suffering from it. But Rick Warren says he is a minister of the gospel! This is not only an embarrassment to Christianity but in this moment Rick Warren shows you who he truly is. A fraud.

      • John

        Geoffrey, I believe you are absolutely wrong on how Jesus would have responded. There is not one verse in the gospels where Jesus ever told any sinner they would burn in a devil’s hell for all eternity if they didn’t repent. He said if they didn’t repent they would perish. Have you never held hands with another man in a show of solidarity for an issue? How about in a prayer circle? Think real hard now before you answer. And if you did don’t tell us that’s different, because it isn’t.

        • Living Witness

          John, Legalism is it’s own hellish environment.

          Grace through faith in Christ must also abide in a circumspect
          behavior – What would Jesus Do?

          The answer is clear!
          John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
          John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

          1 Peter 1:14-16 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
          But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
          Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

          The Lord is still building His Church
          All are not asleep
          LWToday – Serving Life

        • Yonathan M

          You are one lost puppy if you think all sinners that don’t repent won’t go to hell plus rick warren is an apostate and he shall surely perish for teaching another gospel and also for guiding the sheep astray plus supporting chrislam. 🙂

        • Geri Ungurean

          Jesus dealt with SIN. That’s WHY He came to earth. He didn’t go before political bodies or rally for social issues. HE CAME HERE TO SHED HIS BLOOD FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN!!!!!

          Of course He was compassionate, but Aids or Leprosy or whatever the illness is is a RESULT OF A FALLEN WORLD. THAT’S why Jesus came to earth. To show us the way back to the Father.

          Some of you are beyond belief!!!!!!

          Rick Warren is a WOLF and he is leading MANY to hell.

          Good on you, Geoffrey, for exposing this!

          If Jesus met with Elton John, He would tell him about his sin of homosexuality, and then He would show him the way to redemtion.

          His last words to Elton John would be GO AND SIN NO MORE!!!!

          • I agree with you whole heartedly. I believe that your response is absolutely true and correct to a certainty according to the Scripture.

            We’re admonished to “stand in the gap,” not lay down and roll around with the dogs.

          • All i can say is UGH,me i’ve never cared for his music. And its not because he’s gay,just never been a fan. He had a nice looking wife at one time,don’t know what happen to her.Thanks for sharing Geoffrey and Geri.

          • cm

            Amen Geri:) I completely agree with your comment!

            Maranatha!!!

          • CHRISTOPHER AYERS

          • David

            2 Timothy 3:1-5King James Version (KJV)

            3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

            2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

            3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

            4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

            5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

          • dee money

            homosexuality is the reason for aids in the first place for the most part except for some exchange of drug use.
            rick warren should be telling Elton john the facts and expose him and his lifestyle for what it really is.

          • Jay

            And Elton Johns words back to Jesus would be “Judge not lest ye be judged” right before Elton was cast into hell.

            That is the homosexual mindset.

            We have no record of Jesus ever speaking with a homosexual and likely that is because Rome put homosexuals to death.

          • Ort

            Amen, sister! Amen! Rick Warren is an apostate and false teacher. He truly represents Laodicea; him and Joel Osteen.

          • Geri, thanks for speaking up for truth! It’s depressing how many people I hear from, both unsaved and allegedly saved, who teach there is no hell, Jesus is not the only way to salvation, and the blending of other faiths into Christianity. It’s so sad we’ve lost the idea of a Holy God and reduced Jesus to a “cosmic Santa Claus”. So many people just accept whatever they’re told by anyone who professes to be a pastor.

          • vietnamvet1971

            Exactly, people forget the REPENTING message which they must confess their SIN and STOP. But of course people twist, change the Word of GOD to suit / favor their SIN problem and expect GOD to not notice. WOE unto them.

          • Franc

            Why can’t I “like” your comment? 😀

          • Flo Van

            Amen, Geri.

        • Geri Ungurean

          John,

          Sure sounds like you are an Emergent church person and probably a Christian Universalist (they believe that no one will burn eternally in hell)

          You are deluded and most likely not saved.

          You need to repent and trust Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins. You also must believe the words spoken by our Lord. HELL IS REAL AND PEOPLE WHO WILL NOT REPENT AND TRUST JESUS FOR SALVATION WILL BURN IN A FIERY HELL ETERNALLY!!! If Elton John does not repent of his sinful living and agree with God that he is a sinner, in need of a Savior, he will die and burn in hell for all eternity. THAT IS THE TRUTH.

          Get out of the social gospel which is a lie from Satan himself!!!

          • John

            “You are deluded and most likely not saved.” It is inappropriate for you to say such a thing about me or anyone else. You are behaving like the typical intolerant leftist who refuses to address the issue. Instead, you go for the ad hominem attack. That doesn’t make what you say true in the least. It just shows you are an angry person with an internet podium to attack those with whom you disagree. May I suggest you read 1Corinthians 13:4-5. Park and meditate on ” (love) is not rude”. When you begin to temper your articles with kindness and forbear the rudeness your message will have greater appeal and readership.

          • David

            Geri,there can be no jewish Christians.

            Rabbi Ben Zion Bokser wrote, “This is not an uncommon impression and one finds it sometimes among Jews as well as Christians – that Judaism is the religion of the Hebrew Bible. It is, of course, a fallacious impression. . . Judaism is not the religion of the Bible” (Judaism and the Christian Predicament, New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1967, p. 59).

            Rabbi Moshe M. Maggal, President, National Jewish Information Service wrote: “. . . you will notice the great difference between the Jewish and Christian religions. But these are not all. We consider the two religions so different that one excludes the other. . . we emphasized that there is no such thing as a Judeo-Christian religion. . . . There is not any similarity between the two concepts” (Letter of August 21, 1961).
            And the jews are not true Israel!

            COULD THE MODERN JEWS BE ISRAEL?

            http://israelect.com/reference/ArnoldKennedy/Could%20the%20Modern%20Jews%20be%20Israel~.pdf

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        • Mindy

          Thank you for being daring in your faith John to stand up and be a voice for truth. Far too many Christians are following the herd and listening to false teaching. Most I ask if they have ever met Pastor Rick, no. Have they heard any of his teaching, no. Have they attended his church, even read their statement of beliefs? No. There are great consequences for false accusations and speaking out against a brother or sister in Christ. If we are wrong about another we are speaking against Christ himself as we, true believers, are His body. Stop the hate and start living as Christ lived, loving people into the kingdom. Time is short. If there is hate in your heart, it is time to repent and examine if you are truly saved. As the Bible says, we are known by our fruit. Matthew 5:9 NIV

          Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.

          • cm

            Mindy YOU are NOT saved if you think that you can simply believe whatever you want and be able to call yourself a Christian. Next you will be telling us that Mormons, and Jehovah Witness’s are Christian as well. Just because someone claims to be a Christian does not mean that they are.

            Rick Warren believes, and teaches many things that DO NOT line up with the Holy Word of God. Rick Warren has a anti-Christ spirit, as he is a pusher of the satanic doctrine of Chrislam. Rick Warren is a Tarr among the Wheat and a wolf in sheeps clothing.

            I am a unapologetic Christian who believes in the TRUE gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. I am not afraid to say that JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY, and if you are NOT born again, than you are headed to a place called hell.

            Islam is not true, Mormonism is not true, JW is not true, Wicca is not true, Christian Science is not true, Buddism is not true, Hinduism is not true, etc.

            ONLY JESUS CHRIST SAVES. THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO BE SAVED AND IT IS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.

            You need to open your eyes Mindy, and get saved because where it stand right now you are not.

          • David
          • Geri Ungurean

            You can LOVE people right into hell.

          • elainehawk

            God would want his followers to stand against what’s wrong! And do it in a mighty way. Homosexuality is one of the worst sins imaginable. Therefore we must speak against it with profound show of intent! Not back down like cowards…

        • David

          James 4:4 New International Version
          You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.

          • Please only use the KJV when posting on here, thanks! The NIV is not the Bible…

        • Jim Black

          John,
          Please see Matt. 25:46 and Rev. 14:9-11 and REv. 21:8

        • John, you are flat out WRONG or are a liar.
          Jesus spoke of hell more than heaven!

          Matthew 10 KJV
          “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell” – Jesus peaking about not fearing MAN who can only kill your body but fear GOD who can kill both body AND your soul in hell!!!!

          Luke 12 KJV
          4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.

          5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

          Mark 9 KJV
          42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

          43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

          44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

          45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

          46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

          47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

          48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

          Those are just a few examples.

          BTW, if you are using a Sodomite made NIV, NLT, ESV etc, it is no wonder. Since those new age perversions removed “HELL” about 50 times from those scriptures. As well as removing all instances of Sodomite, abomination, reprobate, etc pertaining to homosexual sin.

        • LU

          JOHN……U HAVE TO BE BORN AGAIN TO ENTER THE KINGOM OF HEAVEN. AND THE YOU MUST READ YOUR BIBLE PLEASE. READ IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN UNTIL YOU FINALLY GET IT OK!!!!!!! IT’S PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IT IS SAYING AND NOT PASS SUCH THOUGHTLESS REMARKS. ASK GOD TO LET YOU GET BORN AGAIN PLEASE. PRAY PRAY FOR UNDERSTANDING, YOU LACK IT.

        • Brian

          John, you are trying to deflect truth here. burn in hell – what does scripture actually teach about sinners IF they do not accept Christ. Full truth here not a slight of hand revision please. Why did Jesus ask all followers to teach and preach what he taught and preached. He loves people and wants them to not end up in hell, right?
          as for holding hand in a prayer circle with men – why would you even raise such a smoke screen issue?

        • John, you are wrong. Jesus DID say to repent . I don’t know what Bible you have read, but my Bible has many scriptures where Jesus says to repent or they will not see Heaven which means they will go to Hell. Read Luke 13:3,This next one comes from Peter in Acts 238. Acts 17:30 from Paul. In Revelations 2:5. Only the first one came directly from Jesus but keep in mind these were his disciples and they taught what he told them to teach. Also keep in mind the Bible comes from the words of God and if you call them liars, you are calling God a liar and he DOES NOT LIE! There are other instances but I figure those are good enough for someone who does NOT know his Bible and is ignorant of God’s word.By the way God would not have liked two men holding hands nor kissing on the mouth. The Bible is against such things as same sex marriages and it is a sin to have sex outside marriage. Besides, Rick Warren is an evil man and is teaching Chrislam which is a lie. You cannot combine Christianity and Islam together. They are not the same.He also says there are many ways to Heaven and you do not need (Christ to get there. That is a total lie. Without Christ saved and baptized in water)and repentance of sins, there is no Heaven for sinners. They go to the lake of fire with Satan. I read my Bible daily, so I know what it says. Next time, don’t say something unless you have proof to back it up. Otherwise you are being totally ignorant and have no clue of what you are saying.

        • Prodigal48

          I agree that two men can hold hands in solidarity. And I think that too much might be being made of this. Although I certainly hope that at some time, Pastor Rick told Elton John about the Gospel.

          But if you think Jesus didn’t talk about Hell, you are kidding yourself. He talked much about it. “Perish” refers to eternal death in the Lake of Fire.

        • steve thompson

          John, You miss the overall persona of Warren’s apostasy. He says he and Elton John kiss, it will be one felt around the world. The demeanor in the picture reveals they are not holding hands at a prayer meeting. Sodomy is called an abomination in the Word and there are several passages in both the old and new testaments that condemn this perverted life style. Furthermore, he calls the Catholic pope, “our pope,” and has for years has compromised Christianity and Islam when Jesus said He is the ONLY way to salvation (John 14:6. Acts 4:12). Geoffrey points out truth as you rationalize Warren’s apostasy.

        • Amanda

          John, I take it that you do not believe in a literal interpretation of Hell, am I correct?
          Allow me to enlighten you, as the Bible does talk about hell, but most references made in the Bible are called Hades particularly in the Old Testament. However, in the New Testament it is called hell a few times.
          Below are only a few references to hell that Jesus gave in the New Testament.
          Revelation 1:18 – “I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”
          Matt 25:46 – “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
          2 Thes 1:19 – “They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power..”
          Matt 13:50 “throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
          Mark 9:43 – “If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.”
          Jude 1:7 – In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
          And again..
          Matt 13:42 – They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
          So therefore, Hell and its fire are a very real place and even though the Bible does not always call it “Hell” it does speak of a place that the Lord desperately does not want you or anyone else to go. But it is their choice, and yours. Hell or Hades (or I can go on on the different names it is called, but that would take too much time) it is very real and, “God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent..” Numbers 23. So, every single word in the Bible is true, including references made about Hell.

      • It’s like watching satan and Jesus hold hands. Rick Warren is a fake!

      • Jeff

        Geoffrey has obviously never been to India or other South Asian countries – where, strangely, two men holding hands IS OK.

        • Geri Ungurean

          Jeff,

          When did you get born again? Can you tell us how that experience went? How has your life changed? What church do you attend?

          ~Geri

          • Jeff

            Hi Geri,

            I was born-again in 1983 as a result of the faithful witness of a Christian colleague. At the time I was 30 years old, alcoholic, hooked on prescription tranquilisers and living a very immoral lifestyle.
            Over a period of years Jesus delivered me from drink, drugs, sex and gave me a brand new life, a loving wife and 3 great kids.
            I have served him in the church here in Wales and in Christian mission ever since, attending Bible College and Discipleship schools at the beginning of my Christian life. I am currently an associate pastor in a Baptist church and UK leader of an intercessory prayer ministry. I am also a national representative of a Christian organisation working with Christians who have same sex attraction issues – trying to show them a Biblical way of life.
            I think what I find most offensive about some of these posts is that they are mostly based on a picture. Those posting have no idea what rick warren has said to Elton john publicly or privately but they arrogantly assume they know and castigate him on the basis of their own imaginations. It is also quite evident that many posting get a kick out of being rude to others – (in the Name of Christ. As Jesus said to His wayward disciples – ‘you know not what manner of Spirit you are of’. You counsel people to read the Bible – I would counsel you to read it with the help of the Holy Spirit and ask the Lord to open the eyes of your heart to His truth. Some folk here have seriously unresolved anger issues that need to be brought to the cross.
            Hope this answers your questions. 🙂 Jeff

      • Jean

        Not only do I agree with your position in this article, I, too, lost a brother to AIDS in 1988.

      • Living Witness

      • brocephus

        Dude… guys used to kiss each other all the time back in those days, so holding hands aint no biggie – you dig?

        • NOPE, we diggeth not.

          • brocephus

            Well dig this: none of this matters because as Jade Helm clearly shows, we are getting ready to be taken over by the US military and lose all our freedoms anyway – including the freedom of religion. Nobody, I repeat… NOBODY… can save us. Either give up, or hold hands with your brothers to fight this great evil.

            http://www.infowars.com/confirmed-jade-helm-is-for-the-american-people/

        • Angel

          Its not just the ‘holding of hands’ that is a red flag. Its the fact that Rick Warren is supposed to be a Christian preacher who SHOULD teach the truths in the Bible about the sin of homosexuality. The Bible is clear the the sin of homosexuality leads to hell and preachers should follow God’s word rather than pander to the lusts of the world.

          • EXACTLY. If Rick Warren really was (saved) a pastor, as he was holding hands with Elton he would have said “you really need to get saved or you’ll be holding hands all alone in Hell”.

      • Jr

        Jesus never threatened anyone with hell He only warned them of it. You threaten an enemy but you warn a friend. Everyone is a friend of God some just don’t know it yet. Did Jesus separate himself from sinners or did he embrace them? Did He live for His reputation or did He give it up and make Him self of no repetition for us? Jesus died for all men but we have lived at the expense of men. How can you be a light if you never go into darkness. Jesus loves Elton Jon just as much as you. The same Jesus that died for you and I died for Hitler and every other person on earth. People loved Jesus and thousands would take off to follow Him for days without food. They did not understand anything He said cause He spoke in dark parables and sayings but His words were doing something inside them. People had to be around Him cause He was love and everyone wants to hang out with love. It’s not our job to clean people up its the Holy spirits Job. Our Job is too love. Maybe Elton John hasn’t become a Christian because He has never seen God in anyone who has claimed to be one. Maybe all He has heard is turn or burn. The world will know Him by our love for each other, and maybe Elton doesn’t know God cause He views God by us who claim Jesus by our judgments and opinions. Are we better then Elton cause we earned what we have because we lined up first? No! It’s Gods grace that saved me. I was such horrible person before Jesus found me. We are to regard no man in the flesh. I’m against no man. If Elton knew who God really was don’t you think He would switch sides? Jesus was willing to wash the feet of His disciples even when He knew they would all run out on Hiim. He knew before the last supper that even one would betray Him and one deny Him yet He broke the bread and poured the wine and His hand didn’t tremble and His lip did not quiver. And He called them friends. Jesus would of gladly helled Eltons hand and Elton would become a believer. This whole campaign has nothing to do with promoting homosexuality or adultery. It’s about raising money to heal people. when Jesus was returning to Jerusalem with James and Jon and had to pass through Samaria they encountered Samaritans that were insulting and slandering Jesus on the way they. James and Jon asked Jesus if they should call down fire from Heaven to burn them up. Jesus looked at them and said you do not know what spirit you are of. Jesus said I came not to condem or destroy but to save the world. Hope this helps shed some light on the Fathers heart and His love for us.

        • michaelmcduffie

          Quite wise !!!!Www.mightbroadcastddv.com

        • Robin

          Jr, Your post has the Holy Spirit all over it. Thanks for sharing His truth.

        • Jay

          Thank You! and Amen

        • Angel

          Jesus definitely threatened that sin would lead to hell.

          MATTHEW 5:30 “And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.”

          Jesus may have dined and spent time with sinners but he sure didn’t support their sinful nature. That is the reason why Jesus said to the adulterous woman: Go, and sin no more.

          I understand that we should love our brethren, especially the lost. But righteous love does not equate to supporting sin. Homosexuality is an abomination to God. Warren had an opportunity to lovingly teach the truth of the Gospel but he opted to joke about kissing another man and even held hands with him knowing that such an act would show that he supports homosexuality. As a preacher he is accountable for all of his actions. Telling the truth of the Gospel is what should have been done instead.

        • Jovell

          Thank you brother in Christ, the Spirit and the Bride say COME!

        • Ron

          AMEN, Jr. I couldn’t have said it any better. We are called to be fishers of men, not cleaners of fish.

      • Esy

        Geoffrey i totally disagree with what you are trying to say, if i may remind you, there is the story of The ALABASTER BOX in the bible. that lady not only annointed jesus’ feet with expensive oil but also kissed his feet too. Jesus dinned with filthy sinsers.Lets stop judging other people. it might have been just a slip of the tongue.

        • Rick Warren joked about KISSING ELTON JOHN….was that a “slip”? Well, maybe is was a that….a FREUDIAN slip.

      • Kevin

        Yes Geoffrey I agree with your article and this reply but your website compromises just as much or more with all it’s seedy links that can lead others astray. It may be cheap but that is not a reason to compromise.

    • carrierwave (harold green)

      When the blind lead the blind–both fall into the pit. (paraphrased of course) Who we ARE has everything to do with what we profess. Rick Warren is a hypocrit, professing to stand for God’s word. Would you hold hands with Hitler to fight the mosquito problem in Germany?

      • Sucorra

        He is holding his hand not having sex with him….omgosh

        • Geri Ungurean

          Sucorra, when were you saved and what church do you worship the Lord Jesus in, may I ask?

        • Angel

          2 Corinthians 6:14 says it clearly “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?”

          We as Christians are to be separated from the world and from sin. Warren may not be having sex with Elton John but he sure is showing support and solidarity with him.

    • Marcos

      You are completely wrong. First of all, Warren is an apostate and a new age agent with an agenda to destroy conservative Christianity.
      Why is he there in the first place? A pastor should be teaching the gospel and visiting orphans and widows. This man is not a pastor, he is a new world order marxist agent of change.
      Do you understand that, John? He is not there because he is a doctor or a social worker. He is not an infectologist or a scientist. He is there just to show his church support for the gay cause. This is obvious. It is a political game.

      • Geri Ungurean

        Marcos……..AMEN AMEN AMEN & AMEN!!!!!

        • sylvia

          Amen also

      • Angel

        TRUTH! Its not the holding hands itself that is wrong. Its the connotation of it and the fact that Warren, as a preacher, should be telling the truth.

      • John

        Marcos, I thought he was there to lend support for combating Aids. “He is there just to show his church support for the gay cause.”. Guess I missed that part.

      • Lupe

        Right on!

        It is by this appearance that the “political game” is proven.

        We (Christians) can and do raise money for AIDS but we do it without the fanfare.

    • I agree to a point. One part I don’t like is the writer trying to make it sound like Warren is gay. Very childish. We aren’t to hate anyone, Warren is putting plenty of coals on his own fire. He isn’t interested in speaking the truth when it comes to scripture. We can give the message of Salvation without being rude. http://danbel.webspawner.com/thelordsroom/

      • “We aren’t to hate anyone.” I think King David, the “apple of God’s eye” may take offense to that were he here. He stated-“Do I not Hate those who hate thee?” Why? Because they hated God by disobeying, and hating His perfect Laws. I don’t understand why people think that God’s Laws are horrible. They are loaded with benefits-healing, deliverance, financial prosperity, peace of mind, unity, love for the brethren,etc. God said He was the same yesterday, today and forever. If sodomy was a sin then(and it was) it is today, and an abomination. Christians who agree with it, well, maybe you need to reread what He said about it.

    • Mike

      Agreed John, Pastor Warren does not condone Elton John’s life style. He is there to raise money for aids research, to which he and his wife have given much already. For this writer to even suggest Pastor Warren is gay is absurd. If Grider gets into heaven with such an attitude, I look for him to be standing in a corner with his nose to the wall for a few thousand years for being so negative.

      • Geri Ungurean

        Mike,

        When did you get saved? How has your life changed since your being born again. What church do you attend? If you were to die tonight, and God asked why He should let you into heaven, what would you say?

        ~Geri

        • Rick

          Geri – u seem very eager to question everyone’s salvation? You actually come across quite rude.
          As an ordained Pentecostal minister I hold a traditional theological position on all these issues, and would most likely agree with u – but your tone and way you go about things is completely void of any respect, love or sense of conversation.

          I would ask u, how many people have u personally won to Christ in the last 12 months using your brash, loud and seemingly rude approach?

          Sometimes u can be ‘right’ but in doing so, very wrong…

    • Sue

      Friend,

      If you had done research you would find out that aids was created in a lab, and the antidote was, also. So, all the finding the cure is false, raising money is true.

      My feelings are that we pray for those that are lost, but we have to realize that there are also agendas that play out, whether financial or spiritual and that there are those that for personal gain and other reasons support these agendas.

      We certainly have known very kind and generous people in different situations that have come up short, and it is the preacher or pastoral care that makes a difference.

      If we were talking about another form of addiction, then we would have mercy, but mercy is under grace until decision is made. Not easy in any case, but a pastor that doesn’t understand the difference between mercy and judgement isn’t really preaching the gospel that sinners get salvation, but to ignore is certainly upon the pastor.

      My prayers are for those that struggle. If they are not struggling perhaps they have made a decision. That is God’s business, but we are given the grace to have discernment about prayer and what our prayers cover, yet the Lord looks at the heart and knows everything in it, we don’t.

      Bless you.

    • cm

      NO JOHN! It is NOT ok!

      Rick Warren is a apostate preacher and pusher of the damnable, satanic doctrine called Chrislam. Rick Warren is leading many people astray, and is also pushing the one world religion that is prophecied of that will happen in the end times. The “Great falling away” is happening right now, and Rick Warren is pushing this with what he is doing. This is Bible Prophecy happening right now!

      You left out that Rick was also joking around with Elton John that if they kissed it would be the kiss heard around the world. This shows that Rick Warren is also ok with people practising Homosexuality. Rick is walking hand in hand with the devil, while trying to convince the gullable that he is walking with our Lord. It’s blasphemy and you need to open your eyes John and see Rick Warren for what he is. A wolf in sheeps clothing, and a tarr among the Wheat.

    • Bheki

      Guess what? There is a cure for AIDS already. Just don’t participate in this filthy, disgusting act in the first place.

    • carson

      what does it benefit a person or group to gain the whole world and lose their souls? Many seem to hold something, some aim or goal or thing of this present world above eternity and truth and the things of God and that is very sad for them…hope people wake up.

      would it be ok to never tell a drunk he’s on the wide road that leads to destruction but instead joke around about getting drunk with him and how that’d be the scene shown around the world ha ha..? Ok to sit with the voodoo priest and joke about getting together with him in some false god worship?, ok to tell him he worships the same father just in his own way..?! These are the things being done..if one thinks it’s fine then sad for them, their wrong and needs to repent and turn back to Christ and the whole council of God.
      It’s not love to say nothing to the blind as they wander towards the edge of the cliff.

    • Ginger Holm

      You miss the point, John.

      Lobbying for funding to end a disease, while support the cause of the disease, is counter productive.

      It’s all for show. Warren wants to be loved by the World and the World loves him.

      • Rick

        How many people love and respect u enough to listen to what u have to say?
        How many people have u led to Christ in the last 6 months…? Or are u too busy trying to destroy the church with judge mental attitudes?

        And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men. (‭Luke‬ ‭2‬:‭52‬ NKJV)

    • smhtriple7

      Rick Warren is a false prophet.He has preached to many people and told them that there is more then one way to get to heaven.The truth is,there is only one way,Jesus Christ.He is leading people down the wrong path.

    • denise brooks

      For Warren to make a joke(“kiss heard round the world”) about a sinful lifestyle that is abhorrent in the eyes of God is wrong. What message does this send? That sin is a laughing matter? Jesus would never have joked about something as serious as sin which affects one’s eternal destination.

    • Jay

      First of all, they are not men; they are perverted reprobates who hate the truth and love their homosexuality. As for being in agreement, so was Hitler and the third Reich for the most part. Both are in fact making a political and religious statement and it is one that take people straight to hell where they belong. Why are they trying to save alive those who deserve to die while allowing little babies to be killed in the womb? These two perverts would rather mock human life by protesting in favor of animal rights.

      Anyone who stands with these perverts is not a Christian any more than Bill Clinton or the current Muslim in Chief. Gods wrath is coming soon and it will be so devastating that even Sodom would blush.

    • Albert

      When “alternative lifestyles” overtake the host culture, the host will die and take the “alternative” culture with it. Attempting to “equalize” these subcultures simply because MOMMY DEMANDS her little ….. CREATION …. be “accepted” does not change the fact they are non-viable SUB-cultures
      Where is the TOLERANCE for the belief systems that built the Civilization.Show me the homosexual civilization. When the “alternate” lifestyle becomes mainstream,civilization DIES. The parasite cannot live without it’s healthy host body.

    • Sister Ruth

      John, have you ever heard of the phrase ”come out from them, touch not the unclean thing, separate, and I will be your God”. Please go and memorise that verse,.

    • elainehawk

      Christians should never condone this blatant disrespect for God and his spoken word against Homosexuality! If you do, then you are not a follower of God…God holds homosexuality as an Abomination! And he showed his hate for it by destroying Sodom and Gomorrah!!!

      • RPatD

        Elaine – I suggest you read the Bible if you think that’s why Sodom & Gomorrah were destroyed. Very clearly stated that their sin was being inhospitable.

    • bill wilson

      Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

    • Brian

      raising money for the very disease that has been spread by people who behave like John. And surely it is not a time to make jokes and act like boys instead of men, well at least one man. John is confused and needs to hear facts and truth not jokes.

    • bill

      Aids is a curse on them, so there will never be a cure no matter what they do and how much money they spend. Its the recompense of the error of there ways and the sin of sodomy against God. you want to be nice person by tempering what you are saying and that’s fine, but it is, what it is. it’s the error of there sins against the most high and there will never , never , ever be a cure. why should there be a cure so they can continue in filth without any errors of there sins. the sodomite community needs the cure so they can continue living in debauchery. For all we know Warren could be a closet sodomite and he is beginning to come out like many other supporters of filth in the so called christian community have done. this is the devils work and if you cannot see it then i will pray God opens up your eyes and ears. Pray that God selects the ones he wants for conversion and they will be able to understand what they have done is a sin against nature and God.

      • Stephen

        There are born again Christians that have contracted AIDS as a result of blood transfusions. Difficult to see the love of Jesus in your judgemental post.

    • Devon leesley

      Both wrong. We are not to schmooze up to the ungodly…one.

      Two…. immortality is with Christ. We are not born immortal. The unredeemed will be destroyed. Psalm 37 and 145. Hebrew: samad: annihilate. However punishment of different degrees is clear before perishing by the second death.

    • Aids was originally called ” GRIDS ” which means ” gay related immune deficiency syndrome “. In other words these two men would not be in congress holding hands and asking for research money if homosexuality was condemned and treated as a sickness. (SIN)
      GRIDS is a judgment from GOD over the sin of homosexuality! Romans 1.

      • LarrY

        What if you got the judgment you deserved? “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” Rom 3:23. Why are you deserving of Gods grace but not them? Have you ever ministered to s homosexual or a person dying of AIDS? Does God not love them as much as he loves you?

    • vietnamvet1971

      More Christians and RW should be preaching the REPENTING message to the homosexuals to save their Souls, Jesus said our Souls are worth more than any thing this World has to offer. The Homosexuals and their UNHEALTHY life style is the reason they have Aids, SO you want them to have their Cake and eat it too. You must pay to play and they are. SIN is their Problem.

    • Francis Tan

      Hello, Rick joked about kissing. About he and Elton John kissing. Each other, sounds like it. THIS is the problem, OK, it’s not holding hands that is the problem. Got it?

    • LarrY

      This so called Pastor that wrote this should be ashamed. Recall the Pharisees, speaking of Jesus, said “this man welcomes sinners and eats with them.” Luke 15:2. Jesus said “it is not the healthy who need a doctor but the sick.” Luke 5:31.

      Does Elton John not deserve to feel God’s love? I’m sure Pastor Rick talked to him about Jesus. What if through that relationship he became a Christian? Has the pastor that wrote this ever went into an AIDS ward and shared the love of Jesus with these dying people? These are people that have been written off by society…Jesus never wrote anyone off.

    • David Moorman

      AIDS was and is an invented disease, as were so many other government inventions. Seeking help from Satan (government) for the things created by Satan. Confussing to say the least.

    • lets begin by refusing to practice homosexuality !

  • Just another example of prophecy being fulfilled, although, it is very weird. Especially when one considers the fact that Warren would have personally seen many homosexuals healed of that demonic spirit. Warren is a living example of last days apostasy, i.e. the “great falling away,” that must precede the return of Yeshua. Instead of using his huge public platform to warn people of their eternal destination, hell, he is instead, embracing their sinfulness. It’s pretty sick!

    • sharon

      yes brothers and sisters…Yahweh forbid..they need serious repentance…that is not a joking matter… that photo just promotes blasphamy against the Creator Yahweh

    • Bheki

      Yes. Rick Warren cares more for the praises of men, then of God.

    • bill

      at least you can see it, so many of the so called intelligentsia are completely ignorant of the word of God and they come straight from seminaries like this. Not only is this guy bad news, he runs around supporting Islamic terrorist groups and speaks in there terror mosques thinking he is going to change them, when in fact he believes in what there demon prophet has stated. Warren is a sick and demented man full of demon spirits.

  • Shawn Foretich

    I agree with Geoffrey Grider. His should have witnessed to all of congress instead of making him and the church look weak and powerless.

  • I’m truly saddened That Rick Warren missed such an important opportunity to warn congress and the world concerning homosexuality & to preach Christ. Today the church has lost touch with Christ & the great commission goes unmanned leaving the masses headed for hell because we who are called Christian are so by name only. The modern church has failed as there focus has been entertainment lest they offend the ears of the dead & lukewarm.

    • Lee

      Well Said Daniel

  • sharon

    pray for Rick Warren…Ej that they repent…and turn back to God/Yahweh thru the Blood of the Lamb….Yahweh have mercy upon their souls….2 nd timothy was sure right…so was Noah…shame many are falling away from the truth….in that photo it doesn’t look like they are praying

  • Kathleen McKeithen

    Denise,

    I couldn’t have said it better!

    We have to keep lifting up our heads and looking for the Lord Jesus to come for His Own. He is coming for those who are looking and longing for His coming.

    Please come soon, Lord Jesus!

  • Kimberely

    This is why I do not go to churches. The god I love and believe in…. Loves all. And I’m sick of Christians judging others. a sin is a sin!!!! just saying. The only one that can JUDGE is GOD!

    • The God of the Bible does not “love all”, He loves those who are in His Son. He allows the unsaved plenty of time and space to get in His Son, but God’s love is past tense…read it for yourself and see – “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16 (KJV). God’s love waits for you 2,000 years ago at Calvary. Now, if you are saved and born again, God loves you very much. If you are unsaved, God’s wrath abides on you.

      • Amen,Geoffrey!

      • Rick

        Wrong Geoffrey…
        As an ordained Pentecostal minister who holds a conservative theological position to you, I have to completely disagree with your last comment.

        Whilst we were sinners, Christ died for us… Before you knew Jesus. He did that because God SO LOVED THE WORLD – that he gave his own son…

        For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. (‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭17‬ NKJV)

        You need to be very careful, not with your theology on what u believe, but with your methods…

        How many people have u led to Christ in the last 12 months using your aggressive, seemingly angry methods of sharing the truth?

        • Francis Tan

          Keep on reading, pastor, don’t stop! Go on to verse 18.

    • John

      Thanks Kimberely. A casual reading of this article would almost lead one to believe God doesn’t love Rick Warren or Elton John, or at least not as much as the conservative Christians.

    • Joe

      Kimberly, if a sin is a sin then why would you stick up for the sin that Rick Warren is committing. That doesn’t make any sense! No one thinks that any other sin is ok like murder, rape, pedophilia, etc. So why is it when it comes to Christians pointing out that homosexuality TOO is a sin, do you get all flustered? The other thing you might consider is the excuse you use to not go to a church anymore is exactly that, an excuse. Jesus NEVER said it was ok to forsake the assembling together because you were offended by your pride, or for any other reason for that matter.

    • Kathy H

      KImberely- then the god you believe in isn’t the God of the bible. Sodomites do not go to heaven unless they repent and declare Jesus is Lord. And they will be joined by idol worshipers, and many more. And of course God judges, but in the bible he speaks out against the sodomite lifestyle clearly in both the old and new testament.

    • Linton

      Dear Kimberely , You are not right there. The Bible does nopt say NOT TO JUDGE, It says make right judgements.
      Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly.”
      John 7:24.
      I have heard this beingg said so often that we are not to judge…but NO we must make wise judgement righteous judgements or we will be seen as no different than the heathen.

      • Janeller

        perhaps you all should read Matthew 7 especially the bit about motes and beams. I’m with Kimberley and believe God loves all, and does not want any to perish however love does not FORCE its own way. ALL have sinned and fallen short. Wise and righteous judgements are only possible if you have all the facts and understanding of the motivation of the parties involved. Elton John may well be very aware of Rick Warren’s theology, it’s still his choice to accept or reject. Rick is not sinning by showing love and helping those who are often orphaned or widowed as a consequence of AIDS. and well said John.

    • Geri Ungurean

      Kimberly,

      From your words I can discern that you have not been born again. Do you understand what that means? That means that if you die tomorrow in this state of unbelief, you will burn in hell for eternity with no chance to be reconciled to God.

      ~Geri

      • JT

        Geri, your arrogance in judging the heart and soul of those based on the comments made on this site is beyond belief.

        • John

          JT, I couldn’t agree more. And what’s even more amazing is her dispensational theology restricts her from having the gift of discernment since that went out with the early church, or so they espouse. Therefore, one has to wonder were she gets the nerve to declare people are saved or not. My best guess after reading many of these posts and her comments is that the only ones who are saved, according to her, are those who agree with her. Sounds like a cult to me.

      • Oyoder

        Geri, keep up the good work. That is really the issue isn’t it? Everyone is arguing about this and that but if they are not born-again, what’s the point?

    • Pastor Phillip

      Christians are NOT being judges when they tell someone that their lifestyle is an abomination, or tell them of any sin in their life. The judgement has already been made. The bibles says that God (The Judge) has declared it to be an abomination. The Christians are just reading the verdict to the guilty.

  • eddie santana

    That’s typical of deceived christians. That anything is permissible as long as people are good to each other, because we shouldn’t judge. (We shouldn’t judge is code for let people do what they want because everyone does bad things).

  • John

    Geoffrey, that is the most convoluted explanation of God’s love for sinners I have ever read. Are you serious? Time is an invention for humans to function in this world. With God there is no “time”. God is from everlasting to everlasting. Please
    let that sink in. What God IS, is true of all his attributes, love being one of many. He said he changes not. Note all these are present tense. God is able to love and punish us for unrepentant behavior at the same time. Parents do it 24/7.

    • So, you are saying then that when Elton John dies, if he doesn’t change, that God “loves him so much” that He will bring an anti-Christian, open homosexual to Heaven? Is that what you are trying to tell me? That would make a mockery of the entire Bible.

      • John

        I do not know what Elton John’s relationship with God is nor his eternal destiny. What I do know is it is not right, loving, or okay with God for anyone to judge him or Rick Warren for holding hands at a congressional hearing.

        • Sola Scriptura

          John:

          5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6 For which things’ sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

          7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

          Try Romans 1:18-end as well.

        • Geri Ungurean

          Rick Warren is an apostate preacher – telling the world that God and Allah are one and the same. He is New Age and is an agent of the evil one. His appearance with Elton John and the provocative holding hands and kissing was to shock the world. PREACHERS OF THE GOSPEL ARE SUPPOSED TO PREACH FROM THE BIBLE TO GET PEOPLE SAVED. Rick Warren is NOT doing this.

          • Amen!

          • Bill

            God Bless you because you are able to see clearly about Warren and his wicked ways, remember he is the progenitor of CHRISLAM, so that should tell any so called christian of where this guy stands. this guy runs around the country poisoning churches and making them go apostate because they are already weakened in the faith of our Lord, there is a special place in HELL for this ugly man whos heart is black.

          • Franc

            Except they didn’t kiss. Rick only joked about it.

      • David

        Geoffery you sound more hostile then loving. As a Christian you should love everyone, even if they are your enemy. If Elton John died tonight he would end up in hell, because he’s never confessed Christ and turned away from his homosexual ways. But you can love others without sounding so hostile against them. The Bible also uses the word “love” 310 times.

        My suggestion is when you preach the Gospel, or witness. Please do it in a loving manner, instead of sounding so hateful to those who are unsaved.

        • If you read my article, my beef is not with Elton John. He is a LOST, gay man headed for Hell and that is heartbreaking. But Rick Warren CLAIMS to be saved and be a preacher and a pastor! He should be counseling Elton to GET SAVED, not joke about kissing him!

          • Janelle

            Geoffrey Grider claims to love preaching and teaching but seems to have written off Elton John as a lost cause. Elton John appears to be in a more committed and loving relationship than some heterosexual couples, whether married or not (oooh wouldn’t that be the fornicators). Even if Rick Warren hugged and kissed Elton along with joining hands it shows love and acceptance more than condoning a gay lifestyle.

          • Byron Johnson

            I believe this post totally sums it up in just your few words. Highly unlikely that most of these posters have read the Bible in total and possibly forming their opinions from an online or TV preacher like Joel Osteen or go to a Universal Church. It wasn’t the holding hands but the facial expression and giddiness of R. Warren that seemed to indicate his support of John’s lifestyle. Gods words are point blank, if you have not accepted Jesus Christ into your heart as your one and only savior before you take your last breath you are going to Hades/Hell and are going to be greatly disappointed when you discover there is no such thing as Soul Sleep.

        • David, I love my kids but sometimes I make them eat things and do things they do not want to do because it’s good for them. I am not against the gay person, not at all. I preach on the streets every week, and see tons of queers walking past. The number of times I call them out on their open sin? ZERO. I am not there to be there conscious, I am there to be a WITNESS of the risen Lord Jesus Christ. Let them get saved and the Holy Spirit will straighten them out. I have enough of my own sins to worry about, I am not concerned with the sins of others. What I AM concerned with, however, is that UNSAVED people – like Elton John and possibly Rick Warren – hang over the flames of Hell each and every day because of their lost condition. Make sense to you?

  • eddie santana

    John, you didn’t just say we could do whatever we want and still maintain our salvation, did you? Keep in mind we are held responsible for all acts done in the body. Unrepentant sin is not forgivable.

    • No, once saved we are SEALED by the Holy Spirit, we can never lose our salvation. We can, however, lose our rewards at the judgment Seat – http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pages/doctrine/the-eternal-security-of-the-believer.htm

      • Living Witness

        If that’s true than Why The Post, and Name Calling?
        According to your standard Warren’s fine.

        What if Elton John as a young man asked Jesus to be his Savior?
        Do you know his troubled heart better than God?
        According to your standard he’s fine.

        And of course

        Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
        Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
        Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
        Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
        Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
        Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
        Gal 5:7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
        Gal 5:8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
        Gal 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
        Gal 5:10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
        Gal 5:11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
        Gal 5:12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
        Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
        Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
        Gal 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
        Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
        Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
        Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
        Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
        Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
        Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
        Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
        Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
        Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
        Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
        Gal 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

        • Lin Rimple

          Amen. Once saved always saved is a LIE!!
          The devil is a liar and deceives the whole world,
          he has deceived many church leaders into believing
          this ‘once saved always saved’ doctrine which has
          caused many ‘once saved Christians’ to go the HELL
          because they did NOT continue in His Word, they did
          not keep themselves from evil, they did not over come
          the sins in their lives and on and on.
          Nope, once saved always saved is a lie from the pit of Hell.

          • Sola Scriptura

            I tend to think that once saved always saved is a western church marketing term. There are so many scriptures where salvation is treated as a life lived with our heart on Jesus and not on sin. I think one can be saved when saying the prayer, but Jesus requires so much more that words. Below I laid out all of the verses I could find on the very narrow road to salvation. Hebrews 3,6 and 10 are some strong passages on it as is Jesus’s words to Peter in Luke 12. In verse 41 Peter asks Jesus if even he(Peter) must stay ready when Jesus returns. Jesus, the guy who invented salvation, makes it clear that even Peter must not stray…lest he too perish.

          • Sola Scriptura

            Here is the link to an exhaustive scripture writing on Grace, Obedience, and Salvation:

            http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2015/02/10/grace-obedience-and-salvation/

      • Lin Rimple

        WHOA. . . Once saved always saved is a LIE!!
        The devil is a liar and deceives the whole world,
        he has deceived many church leaders into believing
        this ‘once saved always saved’ doctrine which has
        caused many ‘once saved Christians’ to go the HELL
        because they did NOT continue in His Word, they did
        not keep themselves from evil, they did not over come
        the sins in their lives and on and on.

        Nope, once saved always saved is a lie from the pit of Hell.
        ?? Who are those folks that Jesus says “depart from me you workers of iniquity” ?? I am sure they were ‘once saved’.

        Quit blindly believing old church doctrine that came down from Roman Catholism and Mystery Babylon worship.

        • Roy Miller

          If “Once saved always saved” is correct, then I guess we will see satan in heaven, as surely he was once in the fold while first in heaven.

          • Ummm, nope. Lucifer was never “saved”, just like none of the angels are “saved”. Only humans can be saved because Jesus only died for humans. Why do we say that we are ETERNALLY SECURE? Because that’s what the Bible says we are. Paul says that, at salvation, we not only get saved but we also get “sealed” until the day we meet Jesus. Read it for yourself: “That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:12-14 (KJV)

  • John

    Eddie, these men have not been caught having sex. They are holding hands in solidarity for a good cause. Why would you assume anything written thus far on these posts means I or anyone else believes anything is permissible? What I do believe is this pic of these two well known men expressing agreement is not worthy of vilifying either one. Jesus did not criticize the sinners he met along the way. The ones he singled out for criticism were the conservative Pharisees who thought they were right with God when they weren’t. You know, the ones who made judgmental comments and evaluations of tax collectors, publicans, sinners, prostitutes, etc.

  • eddie santana

    I think not, Geoffrey, and I’ll tell you why. I don’t believe Ezekiel chapter 18 refers to only Old Testament salvation. Besides, Christians can sin and still make it to heaven and non-Christians can’t? That’s a mockery you were talking about. Lastly, Jesus in fact said, “no man can pluck them out of my hand” sure. But I’ve heard it said, and agree, that we can jump out by disobedience. Not only that, but we can grieve the Holy Spirit. And if we grieve Him enough, He’ll leave. There’s the sealing you talked about. But we can “unseal” ourselves, don’t be deceived.

    • @eddie i think you have misunderstood to a point about eternal security a christian has. when an individual is saved they are adopted into the family of GOD and that can’t be taken away. does that give a christian a license to go out and live like the devil, um no because those the the LORD loveth he chastens. did you know that by jewish law an adopted child can never be disowned by the adopting family but the natural born son can be disowned. my last name is watson and it does not matter what i may do my last name does not change although my family may not recognize me the fact remains i am still a watson just like a christian once adopted can’t be put out of the family. believe me there will be more than a few people in heaven with the smell of smoke on them. salvation does not give a christian the freedom to go out and live any way they want to without consequences and while i am a living example that GOD IS long suffering in his patience with wayward christians that he will withhold his punishment to a point but i can also tell you that there is a point at which GOD will yank your chain and throw someone on their back like a dog on a long chain that thinks it has gotten free but eventually that chain runs out and you realize you have made theone that cared enough to die for you angry and GOD if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us of our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness and that applies to both saved and unsaved but even though GOD has forgiven me of my trespasses against HIM when I was out of his will i still suffer the guilt and the consequences of the time i was out of GOD’S will but i did not lose my salvation. look at king david and the grievous sins he committed, david was guilty of adultery,fornication,murder due to the sin he committed with bathsheba resulting in her becoming pregnant and david telling his commanders to put uriah in the heat of battle to make sure he would be killed to cover up the sin he had committed but even after it was all said and done and david asked GOD to restore unto him the joy of his salvation GOD forgave him and put david in a right standing before GOD and even went so far as to say that david was a man after GODS own heart. so don’t believe or so quick to judge someone about their salvation or being able to lose it because none of us know the limits of GOD’S long suffering and mercy with his wayward children because we are mere finite humans trying to understand a infinite GOD.

      • boocat

        Please, in future use paragraphs.

  • Kim Wilde

    Geoffrey, I don’t believe that we would ever see men like Tozar, Moody or Matthew Henry ever holding hands with this sodumite unless they were leading him in prayer to accept JESUS as his personal savior! This is no joking matter and as usual you have hit the nail on the head. Thank you for your excellent website & I’m sorry for your loss of family to this terrible disease.

  • eddie santana

    John, you have a good point. But first, do you usually hold hands with another man and joke about kissing in the name of “solidarity”? Second, there’s witnessing to sinners, and then doing what they do…two different things. Lastly, if you’re related to Rick Warren, it makes sense why you would be defending him.

  • John

    I do not usually hold hands with men, but in my job as a chaplain I have occasionally. Rick Warren is not here to witness in public. Witnessing must be led by the spirit or it’s useless. Remember when Paul wanted to go into Mesopotamia(or was it Bythinia?) but the Spirit forbade him? Some posting here think Warren should have started preaching on the spot. Why would anyone assume that to be the right thing to do in this venue? I am not at all related to Rick Warren.

    • Ruth

      John, Please do your homework on RW by reading and listening on youtube about him and if you are born again you will certainly change your mind about him. Do your own research and diligently seek the Truth. Witnessing is done everywhere and anywhere if you are indeed a disciple of God. The Holy Spirit is with us whenever we witness about the death of Jesus and Heaven and hell. We don’t have to wait for anything because Jesus commanded us to witness. OK? Paul wanted to go elsewhere to PREACH the gospel but the Holy Spirit said NO…he had to go to the gentiles. Read thy bible PLEASE.

  • eddie santana

    I agree. Jesus would have changed some of these people’s lives. But after meeting with Jesus, homo’s would either have the reaction of Zacheus, who distributed his wealth, or the the rich young ruler who walked away sad because he chose his riches over Jesus.

  • eddie santana

    Living Witness, your post doesn’t make sense. Elton John never professed to being a Christian.

  • eddie santana

    Well that’s great, but the bible does say avoid the appearance of evil. What do people naturally assume when a man holds hands with a homosexual and jokes about kissing him? At best that you agree with his lifestyle. Me, personally, homosexuality grosses me out and I cringe at the thought of anything more intimate with a man than shaking hands. Being a Chaplain, I would caution you in drawing the line between compassion and condoning other’s sinful behavior.

  • Kim Wilde

    Living Witness, thank you for using GOD’S WORD here! Many who profess JESUS never truly have given their lives to HIM. Only GOD knows the heart of man. So rick warren many not have eternal salvation. Many have prayed the prayer of salvation only to backslid and live the very corrupt life. Why would this happen ? Most will admit that they didn’t truly accept JESUS.

  • JEREMIAH 23/V1 WOE BE UNTO THE PASTOR THAT DESTROY AND SCATTER THE SHEEP OF MY PASTURE, SAITH THE LORD. /V2 HERFORE THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD OF ISRAEL AGAINST THE PASTOR THAT FEED MY PEOPLE; YE HAVE SCATTERED MY FLOCK, AND DRIVEN THEM AWAY, AND HAVE NOT VISITED THEM; BEHOLD I WILL VISIT UPON YOU THE EVIL OF YOUR DOINGS, SAITH THE LORD / GOD BESS JESUS SAVES

  • truth seeker

    Did you know that God hated Esau and loved Jacob (Malachi 1:3)? I thought that God loved everybody…Yeshua Himself said that we can know (judge) another person by their fruit, good or bad (Matthew 7:16-20). It is quite obvious that Warren is at best an apostate and possibly a queer and condemned to hell…God says that because there are so “few” true Christians left in America, He won’t be able to spare this country from the nuclear annihilation to come (Matthew 7:13-14 and Jeremiah 25:32-33). Up to half of our population may die in this nuclear holocaust (Revelation 6:8).

  • John Thompson

    The problem with this simply this: Both people are hugely influential, albeit to two vastly different audiences. The two in question look so happy and comfortable with each other which leads people to see no real difference between them. Clearly we as believers cannot be seen to be so comfortable with those who we are warned about in Scripture.
    To now try shift the focus to this ‘noble cause’ of raising funds for AIDS, does not make it rain got. What fella whip does darkness have with light?
    Furthermore, Rick Warren has a very bad track record when it comes to discerning and teaching the Word – his promotion of chrislam and catholicism are examples.
    People need to make a distinction between ‘judging’ and ‘discerning’, the latter does not contain condemnation but rather caution and avoidance.

    • M L Hardin

      Jesus was always comfortable with sinners though he did not condone sin. He was ridiculed for that very fact by the religious leaders of his day. Jesus never berated or lambasted sinners as you do,however he did sharply rebuke the deeds of those claiming to be God’s chosen people (the Jews and Saducees). Jesus said I came not into the world to CONDEMN the world. John 3:17.There is too much condemnation from the church as evidenced from the remarks made on this page.

  • Sue a watcher

    A perfect example: The bible says in the end of the age’s there will be a great falling away.That’s exactly what Rick Warren has done. He is causing his church and others to fall away, with his non scripturer teaching. You must get into a church that teaches and follows whats in the scriptures.

  • Sola Scriptura

    We were warned time and time again that false prophets would arise as ravenous wolves from amongst the brethren. Now….they are here:
    http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/09/18/false-prophets-and-teachers/

  • Marian

    I Thes. 5:22 Avoid all appearance of sin…

    A man holding hands with another man who is openly homosexual over an issue directly linked to homosexuality is appearing to condone sin. All but the willfully blind can see that.

    • Sucorra

      UM So AIDS is related to homosexuality? It is also related to child birth, sex, cuts and needles then –

      • Marian

        The AIDS “epidemic” has NOT, in fact, spread to heterosexuals the way propaganda told us it would. Those people living a life according to God’s precepts (faithful partners, no drug use) haven’t seen massive numbers. Some innocents have suffered, of course, but only as exceptions. Entire African countries have seen the number of new cases reduced dramatically after aggressively promoting abstinence before marriage and faithfulness afterwards. So sin IS the main factor in most AIDS cases. Logically speaking (and I teach Logic), basing your argument at the fringes only strengthens my argument.

  • Mutt

    When those who referred to “Devil’s hell”, are they referring to sheol, hades, Gehenna or tartaroos?

  • Kathleen

    God is absolutely holy and cannot abide sin. That is why we must come in repentance to His one and only Son, Jesus Christ, Who shed His sinless blood on the cross that we might not perish but have everlasting life.

    “The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him and saith, ‘Behold the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world.” John 1:29 “Jesus saith unto him (Thomas),’I am the way, the truth and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by Me.” John 14:6 ”

    “The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish (face the second death – everlasting damnation and separation from Himself) but that all should come to repentance.” II Peter 3:9

    I am getting a sense from some of the comments people are posting that they think sin does not separate man from God. That God is loving, that God does not see sin as a problem, and that He receives anyone/everyone whether or not they come to Him through the Lord Jesus Christ.

    That shouldn’t make sense to anyone who has studied the Bible (KJV for me!)and takes it seriously. Even little children know (well, they used to…)that “God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” John 3:16

    Jesus Himself said, “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man (or woman) cometh unto the Father but by Me.”

    Elton John or anyone else who lives in daily rejection of his/her need for forgiveness God’s way – John 3:16 – will stand before Almighty God with only his/her own righteousness to commend him/herself.

    Those are the facts.

    • Angel

      TRUTH! I feel baffled when telling the truth is now considered condemnation! What most of us are saying about Homosexuals going to hell are Biblical TRUTH! Loving someone does not mean you just allow the person to do anything and its okay. That’s not love at all. That’s ENABLING.

  • Bill E

    Question: how does a megachurch leader, who currently enjoys a highly visable community image, retain any moral credibility – not to mention his standing as an ‘annointed’ teacher of scriptural values/truths – be publicly quoted joking about kissing another man?

    Maybe a better question is – does anyone think that God is amused??

  • Sucorra

    I must have missed something. They are working together for an AIDS benefit? What is wrong with that? He made a joke – about kissing… That doesn’t mean he supports Elton’s lifestyle. How do we know he did not pray for him or tell him what he believes about homosexuality. But even if he didn’t say a word to him – that does not make him an apostate nor less godly. Some times you have to show those you want to minister to a softer side – so that their hearts and minds are opened to even listening to what you have to say and accepting your truth is worthy or universally true. We can not condemn everyone not godly and not interact with them – how are we to show them the example that God has created us to be.

    • Jeff

      I really don’t know what God was thinking when He sent Rick Warren to this event. Surely any of the guys spouting off here would have done a much better job! Lord, give us broken, soft intercessory hearts and forgive us our judgemental pride!

      • Geri Ungurean

        Oh PLEASE!!! Get a Bible and READ IT.

        • Jeff

          I have Geri, thanks. I presume you have only been born-again for a few years? You do not yet seem to know what Spirit you are of my dear!

      • Sola Scriptura

        We are actually told to judge by Jesus and Paul. In John 7:24 Jesus says not to judge by mere appearances but to make right judgements. Paul expands on this at the end of 1 Corinthians 2 when he says that those with the spirit can judge all things because we are spiritually minded.
        The spirit is telling me not to judge Rick Warren just because he is an influential pastor, but to use the word to see if what he is saying and doing is true or false. When placed in the refining fire that is the word of God, Warren is found to be a liar who ignores the saving message of the cross of Christ. He preaches clever sounding lies, sprinkling them with christian language and terminology. Everything he says isn’t bad. Satan is too smart for that. He weaves darkness together with light to deceive those who don’t know the word. Eat, drink and breathe the word of God.

  • Howard Douglas

    You see I disagree with you, Warren is not in any way an example of the Laodicean Church. Why? At least they [Laodicean’s] would have been showing outward signs such as observing Sabbaths and High Days. Warrena nd his false church do nothing of the kind. He is just part of end time Babylon. All the people that follow him [Warren] sure ain’t following Christ. Its up to them whether they can hear the knock of YAHSHUA on the door of their hearts wanting to come in. If they do allow HIM in, they will heed HIS warning. 2 Corinthians 6:17 So, come out from among [unbelievers], and separate (sever) yourselves from them, says the Lord, and touch not [any] unclean thing; then I will receive you kindly and treat you with favor, [Isa. 52:11.]

  • sharon

    the scriptures teach us to sin not 2nd timothy teaches who will and who wont enter in the Kingdom of God…sure it’s only easy to sin if you dont know it’s wrong then do it when you know it’s not right..we are held accountable for what we do say and think as a believer your lifestyle should show who you are..

  • Several talks that expose the ‘wolfish teachings’ of RICK WARREN can be listened to on

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0dxcEDSnYw

    and

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HST9wcJ-0E

    Mr Warren is mentioned specifically from 33.00 minutes on in the second talk.

    I hope they are helpful in the context of this ‘debate’.

  • The Abomination Rick Warren is Anti-Christian ( Antichrist )( 1 John 4:4 KJV )!! Elton John us Also Anti-Christian ( Antichrist )( 1 John 4:3 KJV )!! The Abomination Group LGBTQ is UNGODLY / UNHOLY / Anti-United States of America Everything!!

    Please PRAY for our Judeo-Christian Nation USA and Israel-Yisrael NOW EVERYONE!! Please Everyone “TRUST in the LORD ( ADONAI ) YESHUA-JESUS CHRIST with all Thine HEART and lean NOT on thine own understanding, in all thy ways Acknowledge HIM and HE shall Direct thy Paths”!!

    Happy Mother’s Day to all the Mother’s!! Please PRAY and be loving and kind to all your Mother’s and Family!! “OUR TRUE GOD’S LOVE is from HEAVEN ABOVE FOREVERMORE through HIS SON YESHUA-JESUS CHRIST!!

    Am Yisrael Chai, Yeshua Adonai FOREVERMORE!! Shabbat Shalom Everyone!!

    Love Always, YSIC \o/

    Kristi

  • Carolann

    Well Rick Warren is STILL A WOLF!!! he is telling CHRISTIANS ,and OTHERS (non- believers in JESUS CHRIST ) That THE HOLY GOD OF THE BIBLE which is TRUTH, and allah are the same ,this is his Chrislam, he is a liar, a WOLF, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME!!!!!!! SINCE HE IS A WOLF, JUST SEEING HIM ACT THIS WAY, WELL NO SHOCK HERE!!!!!! HE won’t be able to lead EJ to JESUS CHRIST , cause he is WRONG WITH HIS CHRISLIAM. HE WILL LEAD EJ TO THE WRONG WAY, ANYWAY which is the LIE!!!!!! GOD OF THE HOLY BIBLE IS TRUTH !!!HE HAS A SON HIS ONE ,AND ONLY SON JESUS CHRIST,JESUS DIED ON THE BEAUTIFUL CROSS FOR EVERYONE ,SO WE COULD ALL HAVE ETERNIAL LIFE,GOD RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD THE 3 rd DAY, AND IS GETTING READY TO COME BACK IN THE CLOUDS THE RAPTURE!!!!!!! LOOK UP YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWS NIGH! AMEN

  • Hmm

    Could you please tell me where in the bible it says people will burn in hell for eternity?
    Does that line up with a loving God? Do you think anyone who is saved could even begin to live happily knowing that family members or friends who did not understand that they needed to repent, but who were kind people… that they were tormenting in pain for ETERNITY?

    No, instead the bible says the fires of hell would be eternal, but the people would be burned and cease to exist. Like tares being thrown into a fire, they burn up, they do not burn for ETERNITY.

    But God himself is an eternally burning fire. And those who do not have the covering of Jesus’ salvation would burn up in his presence.

    • Sure, here’s a couple to get you started:

      “And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.” Revelation 14:11 (KJV)

      “The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.” Psalm 9:17 (KJV)

      “Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.” Psalm 55:15 (KJV)

      “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” Matthew 10:28 (KJV)

      “And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:” Mark 9:47 (KJV)

      “And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.” Luke 16:23 (KJV)

      Hell, and people going there, is mentioned 54 times in the King James Bible…get the idea yet? You will notice that the people in Hell do not “disappear”, they burn forever. Only cults like the Mormons and JW’s teach that Hell is the grave. Obviously not true…

    • Sola Scriptura

      Below is an exhaustive scripture writing on hell and God’s wrath. It is real…and it is ugly:

      http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/12/28/hell-and-the-wrath-of-god-almighty-what-do-the-scriptures-say/

  • Kim Wilde

    Mindy, a couple things 1)burn your non-inspired version done by a raging dyke. 2) Next find a real Bible and read GOD’S WORD! 3) one doesn’t have to GO to rick warrens building to know that he serves the devil! 4) I’ll take whatever GOD has for me for pointing that out to you!

  • shemara

    This article is perfect example of gossip!
    You might want to read the bible and what it says about gossip!
    You will answer for it as much as a homosexual will answer for their sins

    • Marian

      Posting a news article featuring two public figures who appear in front of any camera anywhere any time is gossip? That’s a stretch. Their attention-seeking behavior is endangering them and Grider’s rebuke is life-giving to those who will heed the warning.

      Look up I Corinthians 6:18 for God’s admonition regarding sexual sin.

      • We ALL struggle in our daily fight against sin – but – Elton John is unsaved and Rick Warren is acting like everything is A-OK and CONFIRMING Elton in his sin. And that’s what’s really wrong about all this. Elton John is on record as saying that “Jesus Christ would approve of gay marriage” if He was on the Earth today. Rick Warren was given the position he holds to take the gospel to places that others can’t But obviously he refuses to do the Lord’s work, and only seeks to line his own pockets by his association with the rich and famous.

        • carson

          yeah I was thinking along the same lines, what people do either confirms/buttresses/builds up others in their sins, or exposes those things as sins -and never to just leave it at that show them the way of freedom and healing and repentance/forgiveness in Christ.

          What happens often among those who..never think on the scriptures they read? and therefore don’t but barely apply them (like even romans 14-confirming/furthering another in their sins or it even goes down to what another might think for themselves is a sin..) never consider what their reading and applying it to daily life and instead they go and build up another in a life that’s contrary to Christ which is just a horrible thing to do.

          Just like going out and getting drunk with a worldly person, a person then has built them up in their contrary walk/in their sin by doing that,..to make jokes and make a life of sin seem ok is to build another up in their contrary walk and life apart from Christ..it’s horrible to do that.

    • Tusitala

      This comment is a perfect example of self-righteous cant. Perfect.

    • Bheki

      Tsk, Tsk!

  • ricky

    yeah, Jesus never hung out with sinners or touched men! (sarcasm)

  • MATTHEW 1O/V AND FEAR NOT THEM WHICH KILL THE BODY, BUT ARE ABLE TO KILL THE SOUL; BUT RATHER FEAR HIM WHICH IS ABLE TO DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL /GOD BLESS JESUS SAVES

  • When Jesus, John the Baptist and the disciples were in the presence of sinners, be they royalty, government, military, religious, or common folk, their message of repentance never changed and people reacted by either repenting and joining them or killing them.
    King Aggripa said to Paul, “You almost persuade me to become a Christian”.
    If Rick Warren led Elton John to repentance and salvation; now THAT would be heard around the world…not if Rick Warren kissed him!!

    • Geri Ungurean

      WELL SAID!

  • Living Witness

    THE MISSION, SOME WATER, SOME SOW – BUT ALL INCREASE BELONGS TO GOD.

    Well, we have hit some high notes and some very low notes

    But the Word of the Lord Endures Forever

    My heart grieves for the majority here.

    1Jn 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
    1Jn 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
    1Jn 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
    1Jn 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
    1Jn 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
    1Jn 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
    1Jn 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
    1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
    1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
    1Jn 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
    1Jn 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
    1Jn 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

    Word of Encouragement – Faith works through Love
    NOTHING ELSE
    AGAPE – Such a beautiful Love

    1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
    1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
    1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
    1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
    Living Witness -Serving Life

  • Bheki

    And what is your point? That the righteous shall not judge righteously?

  • Andy

    Has anyone in here read the Bible? If so, then why are you spewing hatred and what ever happened to not passing judgement on others? Leave the judgement to the Father and each of us work to better our own walk with Christ.

    • Bheki

      The cry “don’t judge” is satan’s smokescreen to hide all kinds of evil ways.

      • Geri Ungurean

        Bheki………AMEN!!!!

        • Bheki

          Hi Geri, I really should have put that comment in quotes since I excerpted it from the book “Put the Trumpet to Thy Mouth” by David Wilkerson. Although written in 1985, it is so relevant for today.

  • Ryan

    Tripp is a closeted homosexual. A fact I will share anytime he shares terrible websites like this in the future…

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  • Kim Wilde

    John, Geri wrote the truth to you and she certainly doesn’t need to temper her words so she or this website can have more sheep! She and the other writers here post their articles with the truth that they have been given! The truth is tough, and can get very ugly because satan doesn’t want you to know it. JESUS was/is full of compassion for all of us but HE HATES satan and it’s lies!

  • Truth seeker

    For all of you jokers that say that we can’t hate anybody, read Luke 14:26 and Malachi 1:3… For God’s sake, start reading your Bible and quit spouting out your denominational garbage (most of which is not biblically based)…As for judging others, read Matthew 7:16-20). By their fruits, we shall know them. Isn’t that a judgment call?

  • eddie santana

    I like that, Geri, I’m gonna use that (Love people into hell), thanks!

  • DC

    In the last days, Christians will turn against each other. The evidence of this is clear in the comment section.

    • Yes, we are turning against each other at a rapid rate. Some of the most disloyal, unfaithful, back-stabbing traitors I have ever met in my life are people who at one time sat next to me in church and claimed to be my friend.

    • John

      Great point. The harshest words Jesus ever spoke were to the religious crowd who thought they were a cut above the low life sinners, you know, the ones Jesus ate and drank with, conversed with, laid hands on, and dare I say probably held the hand of a man or two along the way. Let Jn 13:34-35 and Romans 13:1-8 seep deep inside you and let it marinate your spirit with love for everyone. Those verses are not abrogated by all the other verses used to justify judging and hate found on some of these posts. It’s easy to judge others and find fault. It’s much harder to love self serving sinners, which we all are. Bear in mind some folks sins really do go before them and others follow. When we readily find fault and carp about this one being an apostate and another a despicable homosexual rest assured you are putting a target on your back for demonic entities to bring you down. God will indeed an evil spirit on you to teach to keep your mouth shut about others, humble yourself under his hand, and learn that what’s desired in a man is kindness, not criticism. If you continue in your hateful comments you will be brought down.

  • This post bothers me. The author not only assumed Rick Warren of not being Christian, but he also claimed that Rick might be gay. To me, Elton John being gay is just as bad as this Christian writer judging and making false assumptions. There is no love being shown by the writer. The only love that’s going on is Warren reaching out to Elton John, even though he is gay. He’s not judging him, he’s not condemning him to hell (like the author did) he’s simply working with him to attain more money for AIDS research. I think the Christian community needs to stop dogging on guys like Rick Warren and condemning people to hell. Like every Christian knows John 3:16, but we immediately skip over verse 17. I think what’s wrong about this post is that a Christian is judging another Christian for reaching out to the world. He’s showing grace and love to the world, not just those who deserve it.

    Oh and btw, if you go up to someone and say, ” I lovingly invite you to get saved and believe the gospel that Jesus Christ was crucified, died, buried and rose again on the 3rd day to purchase forgiveness for your sins on the cross at Calvary.”

    I promise that they won’t listen.

    • Angel

      The writer is not assuming that Rick Warren is gay. What he is saying that, as a preacher of God’s word, Rick Warren has the RESPONSIBILITY and the ACCOUNTABILITY to follow God’s statutes. Rick Warren has a choice not to participate with this event. Events like this are planned beforehand and he would have been informed that Elton John would also be there. It could have been a great moment for Warren to preach about the truth and yet he decided hold hands in solidarity and to joke about kissing.

      2 Corinthians 6:14 says it clearly “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?”

      Homosexuailty is an ABOMINATION to God. Nothing will change that fact.

  • Dan

    Unbelievable!!! Rick warren u joking about a kiss while Christians fight for their religous liberty and while the supreme court discusses same sex marriage in all states and ur recent remarks about the pope and pushing chrislam comes straight from the pits of hell. Shame on u. U already know the outcome so i urge u to repent and stop leading people astra

  • Dan

    See thats the problem today. No one wants to offend anyone. We wouldnt be in the state this world is in today if not for the past twenty years or so pastors preaching a feel good message with no repentance. Jesus wasnt affraid to tell it like it is. Cant u see here its not really the holding hands thats the issue as much as even a mention of a kiss with a well known gay individual.

  • Mario

    Wow by the response of many here, we can really see we are living the End Times, so many people who called themselves Christians and dont even know the Word of God.

    The Bible teaches:

    1 Thessalonians 5:22King James Version (KJV)

    22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

    It is clear that we must abstain from ALL, no SOME, no FEW, no MOST of them but ALL appearance of evil.

    Guys who are defending Warren you need to get your bearings in order you are following a man and not following Christ. Repent, search your hearts and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance.

    The LORD warned us that in the End Times

    Galatians 1:6–9

    6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;
    7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
    8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
    9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

  • Dave

    Every one of you who are on here “determining” others’ salvation need to focus on YOUR OWN status!!! Whether I am saved or not is none of your concern or responsibility. Spread the gospel by giving people a Bible, prayer for them, and let the Holy Spirit do His job…….lead people into a PERSONAL relationship with Jesus Christ. You are doing more damage to the world with your narrow-minded interpretation of scripture and judging others’ salvation. I don’t believe there will be a prize waiting for you when you meet our Father face to face for “selling the most cookies”. Your and my job as followers of Jesus Christ are to LOVE GOD AND LOVE OTHERS. Give them a Bible and encourage them to read it. Don’t force your interpretation of it on them!!! It was passionately written FOR THEM just as it was passionately written FOR YOU. Every relationship with Christ is unique as the individual in that relationship. Just because theirs does not APPEAR to be like yours does not make them lost……..seems to me YOU are more lost in your narrow-mindedness that the truth of The Word. And if you think comming back and telling me I am not saved is going to remotely come close to making me stop and actually consider if I am or not, think again. I will look to the Scriptures for my answer, most certainly NOT to you!!!!

    • Jay

      And Dave, you are one of the craftiest twisters of scripture on the page. No, God does not love homosexuals. In fact, God does not love anyone except His own elect whom He foreknew from before the foundation of the world whose names are written in the Lambs Book of Life. God says most people are going to hell and I can assure you that God does not send the people He loves to hell.

      But wait, God has even more contempt for false teachers. There is one group of people in all of Gods Word that He describes as making God weary and that is those described in Malachi 2:17 “Ye have wearied the Lord with your words. Yet ye say, In what way have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the Lord, and He delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of justice?”

      According to Romans chapter 1, these are the people that God gave over to vile passions, men with men and women with women working that which is unseemly and God says that such shall not inherit eternal life. And when you talk nice to them, you are just encouraging them to walk faster and more surely down the path to eternal hell.

  • The gospel is the MOST offensive message the world has and will ever hear. It even offended the disciples who were challenged by Jesus after His preaching; see John 6:60-61.
    It is good news if you repent, bad news if you don’t!

  • Dr Jose Omotoso – Redeemed Christian Church of God- Australia

    The Problem I have is with Rick Warren not the homosexuals. Jesus Christ in Mark 9:42 says “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea. Let Rick examine his ways and actions and sincerely ask himself if Jesus Christ approves his position and actions concerning homosexuality.If his answer is a clear yes, Christ approves of it, I leave him in the hands of my Lord Jesus Christ. One thing I know is that The Christ I know hates Hypocrites but loves all sinners BUT NOT THEIR SIN. Our association with sinners is to influence them into the Kingdom of God through repentance from their sins. With reference to homosexuals, the Bible is clear;

    2 references to rape (Genesis 19:5, Judges 19:22)

    3 references to intercourse between men (Leviticus 18:21-22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:27)

    1 reference to intercourse between women (Romans 1:26) 1 refers to prostitution and pederasty (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

    1 reference is general in nature (1 Thessalonian 5:22)

    • Jesus does NOT “love homosexuality”, like all sins He hates it. Those references you mention to Homosexuality needs some qualifying. Yes, the men of Sodom did want to rape the two male angels that were in Lot’s house. But it is the standard party line of the Bible denier that God was not against two men screwing, He was only against the rape. That’s a lie promoted by Matthew Pine and Rob Bell. The Bible is against ALL forms of homosexual love no matter how soft and tender it may be. And in Romans 1, there are no references to “temple prostitutes” anywhere in the passage. Paul is simply laying out the case against two men together and two women together, under any circumstances. Just wanted to clear that up for you. Have a great day.

  • boocat

    It is very sad. I am a Roman Catholic, and all our Marxist pope does these days is blast “climate deniers”, it seems. He wants us to embrace the world and recycle (and denounce capitalism). How tiresome.
    But I know better now and am washed in the Blood of the Lamb, praise Jesus!
    Blessings to all. Remember: NEVER give in to despair! That is the devil’s weapon to destroy your spirit.

  • Kim Wilde

    Boocat, You are the only Catholic that I’ve ever read that dunned your pope! Can you tell me ? Do you still do all of the activities like, rosary, confession to a priest ? Some of my Grandchildren are being raised in the Catholic Church and it is very hard to speak with the family about this.

    • Tusitala

      @Kim Wilde I am a former devout Catholic of over 50 years, now saved by grace. Leaving the church if Rome is very difficult because you are taught your entire life that there is no salvation outside of it and, most of all, you are never allowed to read the Bible without the supervision of a priest. You are specifically told that you will fall into grave error if you read the Bible independently, and also that there is no need for Bible reading because you hear the entire Bible read aloud every few years during the various readings at Mass. Once I read the King James Bible, I realized how very deceived I had been about so much and it also gave me the courage to study the real history of the Roman church which horrified me. There are no circumstances under which I would ever say the rosary, go to confession, etc., again. I had to purge my entire home of statues and idols, now when I think of how I knelt in front of them and prayed to dead people I am appalled. You have to realize that the Catholic church changed the Ten Commandments to omit the prohibition against graven images, that they purposefully forbid their adherents to read the King James, and that they threaten them with damnation for leaving Rome. All the rest of my family is still Catholic, and I am very worried for them, but all I can do is pray and witness. The peace, freedom and wonder I have found, the deep and personal experience of Jesus Christ, the delight of the Bible, all of this, but especially JESUS, His grace, His Truth, are more than I ever expected to find in my life. I used to wonder why born-again friends found so much in the Scriptures, envy how they studied alone and unafraid. Now I know why men died to bring us the Bible in English and each native language. I do not have to imagine what made them feel that way, I feel that every time I open a King James Bible and can read it for myself and hear the voice of the Lord God speaking right to me and tell Him my fears and troubles. No priest, Mary, or saint in between, there is one mediator, Jesus Christ, and I am free.

  • Benjamin Adams

    I think as usual you hide your bigotry behind the word of God, one thing I get so angry with Americans is all you religious nuts think after reading the word of God, it’s okay to get in to bed with the political system, if only you have read the bible correctly true Christians would not get involved with this world, but would rely on gods word to guide your life’s, and even so called sinners in the eyes of the Lord would show love to bring them back to gods flock!! Strange the very things jesus demonstrated in his life you don’t even do yourself, remember the part involved the new translation, where jesus sat and ate with the prostitutes and took bread with them, in a act of kindness to bring them to the light, not the darkness of what you shine, your so obsessed in being puffed up with pride,like the scribes of his day money changing in God’s temple he threw them out.

  • eddie santana

    Dave, what you’re complaining about amounts to someone suggesting to little kids that they need sleep and them resisting it wanting to go to sleep on their own terms. Good luck with that. 🙂

  • TJ

    Bitting and devouring one another. Exposing false teachers by name is troublesome to supposed christian people.
    Website master… the conversations read by non-“christians on this website… what a horrible
    witness.

  • truth seeker

    You apostates and carnal christians have had your fun with this abomination but a holy God will not tolerate it for long (Leviticus 18:22)…He wiped out Sodom and Gomorrah because of it (Luke 17:28-30) and He will do the same with Obama’s America because of it and even worse, same-sex marriages(Jeremiah 25:32-33).

    • Jay

      We cannot even begin to imagine just how severe Gods wrath will be for this abomination that so-called Christians have tolerated.

      It’s game over now.

  • John

    Jeff, great post at 4:11am today. Thanks for sharing all you did about your journey to where you are now, your ministry, personal transformation, and comments about the angry posters on this site. I agree wholeheartedly with your suggestion that some of these folks who advocate so vociferously for the KJV take the time to read all of it, in whatever version. The message will be the same: They are not in balance with all that’s contained therein. Lots of anger to the point of rage. Among other things that’s an indication of insecurity about their position. I am fairly certain The Lord does not want his children going on a rant about this picture. I actually happened to catch Elton John’s comments at the hearing. He was articulate and made perfect sense. As for Rick Warren, perhaps he has moved away from his more conservative positions but I don’t know for sure. Are these men sinners in need of love and grace? Of course they are. We all are. But we are not their judge. I think some posters believe otherwise. Thanks again for your level-headed responses.

  • Sola Scriptura

    Another point made by Mr. Grider is that Warren is getting wealthy and famous by associating with the rich and powerful. Friendship with the world is hatred towards God says James the brother of Jesus. Holding hands with an outspoken homosexual, while under the glare of the worldwide media is most definitely friendship with the world.

    But Jesus, a humble carpenter, chose the foolish and weak things of the world to shame the wise….See how God used the opposite tactic of Satan to save the world:

    http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/10/17/favorite-scripture-4-god-chose-the-weak-and-the-foolish-to-shame-the-strong-and-the-wise-1-corinthians-117-25/

  • John

    Are you aware that many years ago when all the world knew of Warren was that he was the pastor of Saddleback Church and had written the Purpose Driven Life that he gave away 90% of the proceeds, lived on the 10%, and did not take a salary from the church? Yeah. He doesn’t need the money from hob-nobbing with celebs, as you suggest. Is it possible he is just interested in using whatever influence he has as a respected Christian leader to join forces with a homosexual activist to help address a disease that is no longer confined to a mostly homosexual lifestyle as a way to give back even more than he already has? Just something to consider…

    • Sola Scriptura

      I remember when he did to that with his money. Now he seems filled with pride and vanity. He often brags about how his book is the best selling book of all times besides the Bible( I’ve seen him do that in a news conference without even being asked about it!) and at his TED talk he did not mention sin, repentance and the cross of Christ even once. He was not interested in saving souls from hell, instead he pushed his Jesus-less humanistic agenda. He seems almost offended at the cross of Christ now. He is not offended by unrepentant celebs who are polluting the world with evil day after day.
      So…while he may have started off good, the world and it’s ways exposed his heart. It happens to all of us at times(me included), but when the Lord identifies it, we can either ignore it…or get on our knees, repent and return to the Jesus as found in the eternal word of God. He has holes in his hands and feet because of MY sin, and I am so very thankful for his grace and love. Warren, apparently is more thankful for Elton and Bono’s love.
      Time has exposed him. Fame and friendship with celebrities is more important to him than the cross of Christ, through which I was crucified to the world and the world to me….May he repent and turn to the one who shed his blood for us all.

      http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2015/04/29/sin-repentance-and-the-cross-of-christ/

      • Terri

        Let us not forget he is a proponent of Chrislam. There is ONLY one way to heaven and this is through our Lord and Savior Jesus Chrtist. Warren and other preachers ( i will not name but I am sure everyone know who i mean) are prosperity preachers and they preach that there are many roads to heaven and this if flatout wrong. Not just wrong but I get shivers when I think of how many people are being led astray and how great Gods anger will be for those who lead astray those who ultimately wind up in hell because of prechers like Warren or th eone in Houston who has never graduated from seminary and when asked by Larry King why his latest book has nothing about God or Jesus he said he saves those books to those who are an expert in that but his expertise is not in that field. He is a pastor and he states his expertise is not in Jesus or God and he is leading a church??? several years ago he would never be where is now but anymore if you actually degrade what true Christianaity is those are the ones who everyone thingks ar Christians and every one listens to them. The one true chruch is not doing enough to stop these type of churches of course with Satan being the ultimate leader it would be hard to get rid of these churches and make no mistake it is Satan himself that is helping these churches to grow. We wanted God taken of School and now it has come down to God being taken out of everything, even the church. There are now atheist churches, I think there is one in California. Please Lord Jesus hurry.

        • Bill

          you are correct this fool thinks there are more then one way to God, the bible calls these people fools, clouds that have no water, forever learning but not knowing anything.

  • Kim Wilde

    John, you can point your fingers here at me for my absolute hate of satan and how deceived people like Rick warren are! He(warren) is suppose to be a man of GOD, but he is deceived and I pray for his lost soul ! How can I judge him ? He is a member of the CFR. He is leading countless #’s of people into hell! All his good works are as filthy rags. Yes, there are very angry posters on here and yes some are wrong, but as Christians if we don’t speak out(about apostate leaders) than why have a voice at all?
    Love the sinner(all of us), but really hate the sin!
    Because of the crickets coming out of America’s pulpits we now have sodumites overrunning the Churches, Schools & everything else.
    I get in trouble all the time because I won’t back down.
    Anyone of you on here that have allowed the sodumites to silence you should be ashamed. I deal with sodumites daily and they know my testimony & have heard the way to redemption. They reject the Bread of Life and they are Toast!

  • shsron

    show your family in the scriptures and do a bible study where it says call no man father except your father which is in heaven and that no man can have 2 fathers. this also deals with the pope which means father which he claims to be Christ the Holy See..a study may help.

  • Brad

    I think we’re all forgetting one important and crucial point of the gospel here; that Jesus came for sinners, not the “righteous.” Show me one place in any of the gospels, epistles or prophetic works that say we should not befriend unbelievers and sinners. On the contrary, Jesus surrounded Himself with prostitutes, tax collectors, lepers, women, children, aka, the last people that the religious leaders of the time would be caught dead associating with or considering equals. Now, that is NOT to say that he gave them a free pass to sin, on the contrary, he compelled them to repent and sin no more, but he did actively seek out and love those who would be spit on by the Jews of the day before calling them to repentance. I see nothing wrong with what pastor Warren is doing here, and if you do, then you should probably examine your own heart and ask if you’re being one of the people who Jesus fought against: a pharisee. If pastor Warren has ever said anything to Elton about salvation is the real question, and we can’t really know that for sure, can we? Rick has been very open about his views regarding homosexuality and (while I can’t speak for his private thoughts) are right in line with what the bible teaches.

    Also, not everything is a sign of doomsday. People have been saying exactly what you’re saying since 1st century. Yes, we should be aware, but only the Father knows the day and the hour when Christ will return.

    • Sola Scriptura

      Yes Jesus did, but he was never afraid to call sin sin. He even said that if your right arm or eye causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away for it is better to enter life maimed then to be cast into hell. Warren and the emergent church do not call sinners to repentance, meaning they want their friendship and approval, not their salvation. Jesus bled and died for my sin. If we say we are Christ’s we must, with great vigor, contend for the souls of men by calling sin sin in,love, so that perhaps they will turn and be saved from the hell…where the worm never dies and the fire is never, ever quenched:

      confronting sin:
      http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/09/18/confronting-sin/

      Sin, repentance and the cross of Christ:
      http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2015/04/29/sin-repentance-and-the-cross-of-christ/

    • carson

      so Jesus sat and joked around with the prostitutes and many other sinners about their sinful practices and details of it…? and thereby made it seem ok too?
      No. !

      people need to not just read the word but apply it, ponder it digest it too.

      1st john 2:15-17, james 4 are a few.
      is a friend of the world one who enjoins with the world in it’s sins, even if they only go so far as to sit and listen to the foul jokes and laugh giving their approval of said jokes? Think about it, there are many verses that explain it all so much more.
      Should we build others up in a sinful practices they do? Do you consider it building up a drunk if you joke with him about his drinking and as if it’s cool and hip to be a bar fly etc/as example? If you say yes that’s building up another in his sins, then how about building up a homosexual in his sin by joking around about it and making light of it as if it’s no big deal?..as if for sins Christ didn’t need to be sent and didn’t need to come here..to redeem sinners.

      one of the gist’s of the article to me and I see others is that some christians? seem to think joking around about sins and making it all no big deal and thereby in small (or big?) ways building up others in their sin practices is somehow ok to do.
      no.

      Jesus sat with sinners but He didn’t listen and laugh at their dirty jokes and make light of sin but even exposed sin..is why many after getting the gist of Him walked away and didn’t come back, the Word brings conviction.
      Also john 16:8..the Holy Spirit will reprove the world of sin and righteousness and judgement..not reprove them that they don’t chase ofter their own goals and dreams enough and make friends of the world enough and listen and joke around about sins enough..and judgement? hell, wrath, lake of fire stuff? Yep.
      So a church that never or barely covers sin and judgement…are they following the Spirit? when it only covers 1 of the 3-righteousness, and THAT only as it applies to faith in following what one’s own heart has set, not in following Christ/sanctification and more…modernist churches are horrible there’s no 2 way’s about it, one can’t leave off sin and judgements and still think to preach the gospel can they?

  • jmartinez

    This may have been stated in the many comments but. I notice a common theme of separation of the act from Christ. Can one be a true christian and say the have come together to do good things and leave Christ out of the act? Any cult can do good things but does that have an outcome if they deny Christ?

    • carson

      isn’t that what the inter-faithers do when they (a christian) gets together with all the various Christ rejecting religions of the world (budda and islam and voodoo to) and pray? They can only leave Christ at the doorstep and enter those building to join with false religions in prayer then.
      Just awful what some supposed christian churches/orgs have gotten themselves up to.

  • David C
    • Andrew Watson

      Wow. I ca’tn believe what I just read. That guy is a couple fries short of a happy meal

      • David C

        Andrew,did you even read the whole thing? If you did,what don’t you understand?

  • eddie santana

    Ok. Let’s look at salvation another way…you might not be able to “lose” your salvation, but you can forfeit, or give it up. Because in the same way we have free will to choose God, we also have free will to un-choose God (by loving sin more than God). Or does God keep us sealed against our will? I wish that were so, because the only way God can do that is by cutting off the “old man” and last I heard, that is Man’s personal task to “die daily” to self. The Spirit helps, but if we grieve the Spirit, so much for our help. Hope that helps.

    • NO, you cannot “lose it”, “forfeit it”, “give it up” or become unsaved. This is IMPOSSIBLE because the Holy Spirit SEALED US IN at the exact moment of salvation, where we are 100% pure and washed, and because of this sealing process mentioned in Ephesians 1 and 4, we REMAIN in that condition till the day we go to see Jesus. What you can lose when you sin after salvation, and we ALL sin after salvation, are your rewards at the Judgement Seat of Christ. You can read all about that here: http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pages/doctrine/faith-works-and-the-judgment-seat-of-christ.htm

      If you are the one keeping yourself saved, then you will certainly wind up in Hell. However, if Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the Ones keeping you saved, then you have nothing to worry about.

      • eddie santana

        Ok Geoff, so while we’re taking Romans 7 out of the Bible, we need to take Phil. 2:12 out of the Bible as well, which says to “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” Why would we have to work out our own salvation, if it’s always sealed, and in the bag? I’m with ya buddy, but that eternal salvation jazz has the tendency to generate lazy Christians. Again, YES, we are sealed by the Holy Spirit. But we can grieve the Holy Spirit, and He can leave, and then where is our seal then? I’m done. Tunnel vision is a b****.

        • When Paul tells us “Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” He is NOT saying you “work to stay saved”. That would be a MASSIVE contradiction of the previous verses where he says we are sealed. No, when Paul says to “work out our salvation”, he means it’s like going to the gym for your body. You work out your walk with the Lord, getting a little better each day. You “work out” your faith to INCREASE it. You “work out” to stay humble at at His feet, you “work out” daily life as a Christian with all the battles that come with it. You cannot save yourself, and you cannot keep yourself saved.

  • eddie santana

    Just one more thing…so in the eternal salvation doctrine, then there is no such thing as “backsliding,” correct…true Christians don’t backslide? There is also a saying that the most staunch atheists were once Christians, right? But the doctrine would say there weren’t really saved probably.

    • Oh, so I guess then Romans 7, where Paul discusses the STRUGGLE and the FAILURE to always walk the path should be removed from the Bible then? “For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.” Romans 7:18,19 (KJV)

      • Living Witness

        The big problem here Geoffrey, and as the editor in Chief;

        This Blog is filled with hateful speech that is posting as though

        Christ would approve. This Blog is just one big mess of hatefulness in a world that has need of hearing Good News of Redemption and healing; Not the headlines with such hatefulness to entertain the group.

        The Battle is won in the Spirit – Folks in Legalistic minds turn off the masses. The man never tells God how the Spirit in revealed.

        Now you have ended up at this point of corruption of the Truth is because it’s Geoffrey that lives in a futility of mind that is set against the Spirit. Big World, Big God, Living Word – little man.

        It’s drawn in folks that have fallen to this scheme

        of The King James being the only Scripture that God approves.

        Legalized hate is what you present here in the Name of Jesus!

        You and so many here and other blogs are so caught up in the presentation of opinion that you have missed the call.

        It’s of no matter the work when done in the flesh – Sadly presented!

        I would listen if I were you.

        God is Love reaching out to a lost and dying world.

        I’m turned off by this blog of Hate which You will have to answer for.

        Grace through faith which works through Love.
        It’s a free gift so no man becomes boastful

        I suggest you learn to fear God, and relearn the Loving message of Today as long as it’s called Today – That’s Salvation, Redemption, and Peace with the Creator of His man with whom He Alone will deal with.

  • Andrew Watson

    This truly must be the end times! on all off these perversions the Bible is very clear! WE MUST READ IT AND OBEY WHAT IT SAYS! 1 Corinthians 14:34 is very clear that all of the so called churches who are letting women speak are false teachers condemned to the fire of… wait. Yall are talking about GAY people? never mind, carry on…

    • Yes there are many Bible perversions, we use the one where God preserved His word. In the KJV 1611. Yes there are woman “preachers” but that’s against the Bible. Yes, there are pastors who command their customers I mean congregation to give a “tithe”. That’s against the Bible. Yes, there are Churches that perform same-sex “weddings”, that’s against the Bible. So what exactly is your point?

      • So the Bible is sexist/demeaning to women and intolerant/hateful… Er, I guess you could say contradictory of itself since it says that “God so loved the WORLD” (Not just straight men)

      • So the Bible is apparently sexist/demeaning to women and hateful/intolerant to homosexuals as well. This makes it contradictory to the part of itself that says that the Christian God “so loved the WORLD” not just straight men.

        • John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that
          he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever
          believeth in him should not perish, but have
          everlasting life.

          John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the
          world to condemn the world; but that the world
          through him might be saved.

          John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not
          condemned: but he that believeth not is
          condemned already, because he hath not
          believed in the name of the only begotten
          Son of God.

          We all fall short of the glory of God, we all
          sin !

          Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death;
          but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus
          Christ our Lord.

          An innocent man dying on the cross for the
          guilty ? All of us, does this mans sacrifice on
          the cross sound intolerant ? Or the ultimate
          act of love ?

  • The genealogical records of the Hebrews were destroyed by the Romans in AD70 when the Romans burned the temple and plowed the city under. This sole action makes it impossible for Hebrews, since that time, to reference their religious ancestry to Abraham and claim salvation from that relationship.
    This was what John the Baptist preached would happen and Peter preached did happen in Acts 3:13-26. Religion is over just as Jesus told the woman at the well, John 4:21-24, and intimate relationship with Emmanuel has taken its place.
    Listen only to Jesus Moses said and Peter repeated, “For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people'”, Acts 3:22-23.

    • bill

      The Jews from the beginning stoned there prophets because they did not want to hear truth and they wanted to be like the other pagan nations around them. Even to this very day the Jews are playing the same roles as jannes and Jambres tradition of rebellion, until God destroyed the trouble makers and they were swallowed up into the earth along with another 3,000 of the evil doers. nothing has changed under sun , but it will very shortly.

  • John

    I certainly have. It was for a different occasion and was a quote from Ezra. Paul made it clear that he did not ever intend for believers not to associate with unbelievers or one would have to go out of the world. So however you apply this verse don’t go further than the context warrants. Besides, it’s not the example Jesus set. He dined and fellowshipped with tax collectors, the rich, prostitutes, demonized folks, and even some religious folks, but evidently not often. They didn’t approve of the company Jesus kept. Hmmm… So tell me, should we follow the example of Jesus or go by that verse you quoted? The Pharisees prided themselves on “not touching the unclean thing” and received the Lord’s most scathing rebukes.

  • Haruka Tenou

    The sabbath is an old testament law that has the death penalty for anyone who dares to break it which is ironic when you realize the sabbath is Saturn-Day Christmas the festival followed by christendom for millennia just so happens to be Saturnalia! Truth be told the bible honers the gods of Egypt(Malachi 4:2 KJV) But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. Lets face it he bible was penned by Saturn worshipers and that said all these people bashing gays have no moral basis whatsoever to back up their hate speech. The church is quick to point at other people that they perceive as sinful when in reality they are worshiping the father Cronus/Saturn and his begotten son Zeus/Jupiter. Of course they use different names but in the end that’s whom they serve.

  • eddie santana

    Sorry RP, you’re wrong, Elaine’s right, it happens, buddy. 🙂
    I think homo rape is a lot more serious than being inhospitable.

  • eddie santana

    Geoff, I think you answered on someone elses reply…is “backsliding” not in your theology, is so, how would you define it?

  • What a revolting abomination toward Jesus Christ, God, and Christianity!

  • bill

    All I can say is get ready to meet your maker, because God will only put up with this for a short time, this is one of the major signs before Crist returns, is men bedding down with men, women with women and transgenderism. major signs folks. prepare thyself and thy households because its about to occur.

  • Nickname

    Unless that photo is photoshopped that is one CREEPY photo. They seem to be absolutely delighted to be disobeying God.

  • Wow! Christians can be such incredibly hateful and condescending people as there is so much evidence of in this comment thread. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG OR EVIL ABOUT BEING GAY!!! Sure, it is hypocritical for a Christian pastor to practice homosexuality, but hopefully he’ll just become free of Christianity and be true to who he really is if he is truly gay. And you Christians say that you represent a “loving” God, I sure don’t see the love, all of your hate makes me sick!

    • Living Witness

      Anna, That’s just willful spite in light of what the Word is and how it’s presented God’s plan for thousands of years. Man and Woman designed for he presence and habitation of God, and for fruitfulness of the womb.

    • carson

      one of the problems many have fallen down to is the worldly lie that gays were born that way.

      People must realize the basic truth that what God called sin means a person can repent of that sin too, so people aren’t born gay, not born drunks or meth babies aren’t born to use drugs etc etc either(drunks and meth babies could also say their born that way since science can actually find the harm done to them while in the womb from their parents-yet God still say’s repent=and freedom power and healing is available in Christ), and understand the inward and spiritual problems that show up outwardly in any practice of sin.

      Rather then seeking men ‘of’ the world (find out what that means) to justify sin they could instead heed the word of God and turn from sin seeking with a contrite/broken heart to be made anew in Him and for the Lords deliverance and power to be set free of it and the flesh nature itself…what does it mean to be born again..empowered? what is that vs the verse-having a form of godliness yet denying the power thereof?..what is this power, that sets free, born again in Christ 1st peter, born of the Spirit john 3, born of God john 1…the power to be set free and overcome the world the flesh nature and the devil.
      Praise God He sent His Son to set us sinners free if we’ll heed Him of course rather then seeking the worldly to help us justify the things of the flesh that please us.

  • SHARON

    yes, that photo does not do Yahweh GOD any honors of professing or witnessing the WORD they are not praying that’s forsure or ta scriptures ..very unclean act of defilement

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  • Arlene Whitfield

    Are we surprised? Rick Warren the heretic is just letting his true colors and agenda show!

  • Kim Wilde

    Living Witness, if you are having such a bad time on these blogs why not start your own and invite us all there ? Also can I ask you to use your real name since as Christians it is impossible to pray for someone using a fake name, just saying !

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  • After reading a majority of these comments, I see that this present situation here in America concerning the legalization of homosexuality, is attaining its’ ultimate goal-destroy Christianity. It’s already brought such huge schisms in what was once a Christian nation. Now, it would appear to be a Cretan nation. Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.
    Methinks, it would be better to admonish each other(the Church) rather than wasting time debating issues that God has already given us the answer for.

  • eddie santana

    Well sure. Destroy anything that gets in the way of living the immoral life that people want to live. Not just christianity, but any organization that opposes abominations.

  • John

    Brian,
    Geoffrey Grider says:

    May 9, 2015 at 9:25 am

    “NO, this is NOT ok! Two men holding hands is “not ok”. This is why I responded as I did. No smoke screen. It was direct a response to Geoffrey that, upon closer scrutiny, just doesn’t not hold up. I would agree Jesus does not want people to go to hell for eternity, though Hell is probably a most effective purifier of the spirit. However, avoiding hell was not the only reason Jesus wanted folks to believe Him. He knew that those who lived by his teachings would have a better life and be a blessing to others. I believe the most important thing he wanted us to do was to love our neighbors as ourselves. He showed us how to do that. It’s the only activity he ever said would demonstrate to others we are his disciples. Most of us have missed this lesson. The tone of many of these comments confirms what I am saying. Jesus never said anyone would know we are his disciples by sharing our testimony, pontificating about who is saved or not, showing our allegiance to the KJV, attending a conservative, Bible-believing church, being in a so called (paid) full time Christian service, or even defending the faith once for all delivered to the saints. It’s love. That’s it. The earliest believers met in houses after they were no longer welcome in the synagogue, shared what they had with those in need, and did not have any new testament gospels, letters, or revelation. The stories and sayings of Jesus were handed down orally, from person to person, for at least 30-40 years, and it took another 300 years or so for the Catholic Church to decide definitively on the 27 books of the NT canon. Until then many of the books we read now were not read by many believers because they didn’t resonate as being the word of God to them. Yet the number of believers multiplied because they walked in love to the point of death for Jesus and other believers. They did this because they were led by the Spirit without a Bible that most couldn’t have read anyway. BTW: The Council of Jamnia settled on the Old Testament canon in 90AD! So for at least 50 years after Jesus returned to heaven there was no certainty about which books were truly inspired even in the OT, with the exception of the first five books. Imagine living by that as a believer in Jesus!

    Anyway…

    A person doesn’t need to have nor believe the Bible to be right with God. Bear in mind the vast majority of Christians did not have one or access to one for the first 1500 years of the church’s existence. Millions of indigenous groups are just now getting a piece of the Bible in their language, yet they have been believers for hundreds of years. Their numbers have grown in great part because of the love they show others. The spirit blows where he wills. As many as the Father gives to Jesus will come to Him, without fail, and without the need of a KJV Bible or even human agency. Read Rev 14:6 sometime. John said an angel went through heaven declaring the eternal gospel. So this is why I continuously return to the priority of love in our attitudes, words, actions, and prayers. I believe that’s what the Spirit uses to draw people to Jesus. Of course He uses the Bible many times for this as well, but it’s just one among many ways that God draws us to Himself.

  • Sola Scriptura

    Take heart brother and sisters because in the end, it’s gonna go down a little something…like this:

    http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/12/28/hell-and-the-wrath-of-god-almighty-what-do-the-scriptures-say/

    • Sola,

      It will go down exactly like that ! The mixing of Gods
      Word with Islam is an abomination ( chrislam ).

      The scriptures you have posted on your link are
      100% ! Something that emerging ” church’s” seem
      to avoid like the plague! As with many other doctrine.

  • Kim Wilde

    Tusitala, Thank you for sharing this blessing to me! My wife and I have always felt that once someone accepted JESUS into their hearts that they would have to leave. GOD’S GRACE! What a wonderful blessing for us all! I was wondering if Boocat had left the church yet or if (she/he) was still trying to manage.
    Thank you so much for your time in sharing your blessing and information.
    In JESUS PRECIOUS NAME,
    Kim

  • Bill

    So are you telling me there was no grace and mercy when God obliterated with fire and brimstone one million inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah and its surrounding cites. be careful what you write and state about Gods word without knowing whom God really is. so are we to believe God almighty was wrong when he destroyed these vile people? Do you know better then God, or when did you become more knowledge then God. your self righteousness will get you a one way ticket to hell, so if i was you i would temper what I am writing. many people quote scripture even the Demons know It.

  • bill

    maybe its time you put down the poison fries and stay out of McDonalds because you brain has been affected.

  • EXODUS 14/V THE LORD SHALL FIGHT FOR YOU, AND YE SHALL HOLD YOUR PEACE. / EXODUS 23/V 2O I AM SENDING AN ANGEL AHEAD OF YOU TO GUARD YOU ALONG THE WAY AND TO BRING YOU TO THE PLACE I HAVE PREPARED./ GOD BLESS JESUS SAVES

  • bill

    You do err and don’t know the scriptures for you to make such a comment like this. True children of the most high can judge because the scriptures state it, We are a righteous people and you are allowed to judge in righteousness between evil and good in all situations. God has given his wisdom to his believers to discern between these two things, so when you say you cant judge, then how do you judge your own household and your children when they err. you sound like you are living on the milk of the word and not the meat. if you continue in the belief of not judging between right and wrong then you are not christian, and only one by name. this is the problem with the Christians and the churches today, over 70% are lost and have gone apostate from the word o God, if this was my condition right now i would begin to cry our for Gods mercy and his forgiveness because you could be the victim of a false conversion. it will bode very bad for you at judgement day and if this is your condition right now I would really consider crying out.

  • DALE

    TO THE PERSON WHO WROTE THIS ARTICLE

    YOU DIRTY, FILTHY TROUBLE MAKER. THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE WRITING SUCH AN ARTICLE TO PUT DOUBTS AND THOUGHTS INTO PEOPLES HEAD ABOUT RICK WARREN. TRYING TO DIRTY HIS NAME. YOU SHOULDNT BE TALKING ABOUT WHO CAN GO AND WHO CANT GO TO HEAVEN. YOU SIN IS IS WORSE THAN THE LIST YOU MADE TRYING TO RUIN SOMEONE’S REPUTATION. WRITING YOUR ARTICLE IN A WAY THAT MAY MAKE PEOPLE THINK BAD OF OF RICK WARREN. FOR CRYING OUTLOUND THEY WERE BEING VERY SILLY AND JUST HAVING BLAST FOR JUST THE FUN OF IT. THERE WAS NOTHING TO READ INTO THAT EXCEPT WHAT CAME FROM YOUR EVIL MIND. MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL.

  • bill

    you need to check yourself into a mental institution for the insane, Warren is an apostate spreading lies, deceit, falsehoods about the body of believers. you dear sir are lost and do not know the word of God, obviously your ignorance is bliss. I would say I feel sorry for you, But I dont. It’s each person and his household to make sure they are right with God before his return and I can see your house is an utter disorder.

  • Kim Wilde

    Dale, why is this “pastor” a member of the CFR?

  • bill

    good question, why is Warren a member of the CFR, but the second question is why is warren in bed with Islamic extremists and speaking in there mosques as well as friends of CAIR, and all these liberation black theology churches.

  • Kim Wilde

    Bill, I didn’t want to overwhelm him with more than one question. He seemed to be very upset since everything was in caps!

  • eddie santana

    I can maybe answer that one. Warren is trying to build bridges, in the hopes of building bridges to some funky Christian ecumenical movement, but even giving the benefit of that doubt, what fellowship has light with darkness?

  • hello – Although there’s much to be said that is true in this article, we become pawns in the hands of the enemy ourselves – when we critcise rather than pray ….for our brothers and sisters…. ” Is this not the fast I have called you to….? That you stop the putting forth of the finger.?” ( in other words – critising and judging ). Blessings from Montana

    • John

      Lindie, great point. Thanks for posting.

  • bill

    Warren is the inventor of Chrislam, I sure hope you understand what that is, it’s the merging of Christianity and Islam. is this what you are for. what does light have to with darkness. what is it with you so called Christians about not judging. there is no such thing in the scriptures where you cannot judge, you have taken the meaning of judging totally out of its contextual form and truth. if you cant judge then how do you discern between right and wrong. How do you judge your children when they are breaking the laws of God, how do you judge anything and exist on the earth. God states we can judge as long as we are his and our hearts are right with him. you are in grave error and you need to read the scriptures. one last point, in the last days before God returns the God states he would find very little faith left on the planet except for his elect. the majority of the churches have falling into apostasy worldwide and you dear lady are falling into the same trap. please open up your bible and ask God for protection and wisdom of understanding.

  • Brad

    There is a way to help “fight AIDS” that is free. Stop sodomising your neighbour. Elton John should be promoting this if he really cares about this issue. It seems like they want their sodomy (leading cause for AIDS) and a cure for AIDS at the same time. I think this is the definition of foolishness. Who would take anyone seriously if they said they want a cure for a headache, but wanted to keep hitting their head with a hammer.

    Jesus said, “Repent, or perish.”

    Elton John AND Rick Warren are perishing.

    • Good morning Brad,

      Love your comment! It’s great to start the day with a good laugh. Although, the humor might be lost on some, I loved it; hope you don’t mind if I borrow it. Have a blessed day,
      Denise

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  • Dave / NM

    Rick Warren is nothing more than just another groupie.

  • eddie santana

    Way to go, manda panda! Hi!

  • Bill

    the reason why they want a cure so bad is so they can continue sodomizing each other with no worry about getting aids, Well I have news for them it will not happen no matter how much money our filthy government searches for a cure for there sins. this is there life and its the recompense of there sins.I didn’t say God Said it. they will all die eventually and with the colostomy bag hanging from there side. this is there dirty little secret of there sins which the hospitals and doctors wont tell anyone, they eventually have no insides left because of what they are doing to themselves. The doctors have to install colostomy bags due to this perversion of there bodies. unless you know a Doctor personally or someone in your family who is a doctor they will all tell you this. they have no A-Holes left. completely obliterated.

  • john

    Who ever wrote is a moron!

  • Franky

    This watchman and preacher encapsulates the whole WWJD as related to this post. We must always use only the KJV Bible and of course in context, not our own interpretation. https://youtu.be/jSQPZK7ECfs

  • Franky

    This watchman and preacher settles this argument Biblically in one of his Sermons. https://youtu.be/jSQPZK7ECfs

  • Ellen

    To John. Tolerance, sir, is the last virtue of a corrupt society. Jesus forgave sin, but he did not tolerate it. We need to be more like Jesus. As far as being loving, telling people the truth so they have an opportunity to accept Jesus and be rescued from the eternal torment of the lake of fire is the most loving thing anyone can do!!

  • Kim Wilde

    Rick, if you are a pastor( unless I got that wrong) PLEASE stop using the man’s book called the njkv ! It is a terrible representation of GOD’S WORD! “The New King James Bible is not a KING JAMES BIBLE. It changed thousands of words, ruined valuable verses, and when not agreeing with the KING JAMES BIBLE, it has instead copied the perverted Niv, Nasv or Rsv. This you must know: those who translated the Nkjv did not believe GOD perfectly preserved HIS words”! David W. Daniels

    • John

      Those of you who insist on only quotes from the KJV need to stop following the herd and learn to read New Testament Greek. I did so nearly 40 years ago and have been reading it ever since. While doing so get educated about the over 5,000 manuscripts or pieces of manuscripts going back to the third century from which all versions, KJV included, are translated. Then drill down on the Greek Byzantine text which is behind the KJV. You will find that there were hundreds if not thousands of variant words, variant word orders in a sentence(syntax), spellings, omissions and additions just within that body of Greek texts used for just the KJV version of the NT. The translators had to decide which ones to include and exclude. Are you prepared to say that God not only inspired the original writings down to the very Greek word but also the translators of the KJV down to word choice? If so then you are believing too much and grasping at straws. You also do not know much about the process of Bible translation. Do you realize men translated the Bible into their native languages, and into English, from Greek and Hebrew texts way before the KJV, and they often died for that? Do you think for one minute that these translators were in error for doing so because they produced an English version of the Bible that was not a KJV Bible? If so then you have been brainwashed. Folks, Jesus never said to follow or obey any version of the Bible. He said to follow Him! Those who insist that only the KJV is the right translation have ceased following the Head of the church and are following man.

  • Kim Wilde

    Whichever John you are! So you believe that GOD is confusion and couldn’t figure out how to bring his word to us ! I’ll stand with GOD’S WORD and let you continue to dig around & around. You ask me if I can believe that GOD inspired those men to make the right choice ! You tell me that I’m grasping at straws and I tell you GET BEHIND ME satan !

  • Are you all serious? Please go back and take the time to listen to the testimony all here… Rick Warren is not an appostate… to suggest other wise is an insult to him as well as our God and ssviou…

  • Bill

    you are a stiff necked person like the Jews of old were and look what God did to them. you are in biblical error most grievous and your soul is in jeopardy of hell fire, i didn’t say God said it. you are like many other so called Christians, they tear pages out of scripture when it displeases your apostate agenda. God said in the end of days we would witness this falsehood and he said it would have been better not to be born then to stand before him on judgement day. he will separate the goats from the sheep on that day. I am not a perfect person, but I try to live by Gods oracles and Laws as best I can, without denying him by ripping out pages from the bible when you don’t like it.

  • Brian

    for those who think to oppose or even to criticize behaviors that are clearly harmful, please read scripture to see how Jesus handled such.. He was not silent – else we would have little of the bible. God spoke through many authors and HE was not silent either. And yes HE loved people enough to confront their sinful behaviors.

  • stealthant

    I stay clear of people who tell me that the KJV is the only true bible. They tend to be the most unforgiving and paranoid Christians I know. Do they even know the history of the KJV? Or the original languages the bible was written in? It wasn’t the English from Shakespearean times. If you’re doing more judging then loving then your not helping to reach the lost just pushing them away. Jesus ate with sinners and tax collectors. He loved them and told them that they need to sin no more. We do not know what Rick said to Elton in private. Hopefully he told Elton his need for Christ and repentance. But genuine love must be present. God is love. It is only through Christ that we are saved by faith through God’s grace.

  • eddie santana

    Betsey, RW insulted himself by consorting with darkness masquerading as light.

  • Kim Wilde

    Stealthant, So what book are you using if not the King James ?

  • Tony Lopez-Cisneros

    Rick Warren ? ? ?

    Looks More Like ANTON LAVEY Back From THE DEAD (& HELL-FIRE ITSELF) ! ! !

  • vietnamvet1971

    IF RW really loves the Homosexuals he would in love confront and expose their Sexual Immoral SIN and ask them to Repent / Stop their Wicked & Sinful lifestyle.

  • L Bee

    Like so many artists who have sold their souls for rock and roll, Elton John has been immersed in Satanism. In fact Bernie Taupin, who has lived with Elton John and written most of his lyrics, stated that Elton John’s “home is laden with trinkets and books relating to Satanism and witchcraft” (US, July 22, 1980, p. 42) whole article: http://www.goodfight.org/a_m_john_elton.html

  • eddie santana

    Yep!

  • Bill

    Jesus said to Mary Magdalene go and sin no more. He did not tell her to continue in her sin and i would still love you. you need to read your Bible because you have a jaded understanding of the word of God, God HATES all types of sin and he detests it. God is a God of Love. but also a God of Anger and wrath. Be careful when you quote verses out of the scripture and not completely tie in all other verses to get its full contextual meaning, because you will be held accountable for spreading false lies about our Lord.

  • Bill

    Jesus did not come to this world to save the entire world from sin, he came to save his own people which the Father had selected before time began, and the father knows who his people are, that’s who Christ came for. He did not come to save the world. He only came for the sins of his people and to reconcile them to himself through his death on the cross.

    • Ort

      “For God so LOVED the WORLD, that He gave His only begotten Son……”
      He most certainly did come to save he world, but most of the world rejected that supreme sacrifice. Just because God fore knew who would accept this Gift and repent, doesn’t mean He manipulated people to obtain some sort of quota.

      • Bill

        no he did not, he camee to call his own and only his own, please read your scripture, it is the same as when he called Abraham out of Chaldea and away from his Fathers house, and by faith Abraham left his home and his family. You are in great error for thinking the way you do. Christ came only to save his own , not the entire world. you have taken that verse totally out of context. you must line up precept upon precept and verse upon verse to seek truth. what more can I tell you, ask God for wisdom of understanding, and he will grant it to you.

        • Ort

          So let’s throw out John 3:16 and any other verse that nullifies your erroneous assertion.
          Jesus died for ALL mankind, however NOT ALL mankind acknowledges it or wishes to become saved.
          I’m pretty sure it’s not me who has the comprehension problem.

  • Jesus came to His own(those Judeans, Benjamites, Levites) who were in Judea, and “they received Him not”. He stated that He came only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel(they had been deported to Assyria about 500 years earlier, after the split between the House of Judah(Southern kingdom) and the House of Israel(northern kingdom). Since the Judeans rejected Him He stated the Kingdom(the gospel of the Kingdom is seldom preached, mainly the gospel of salvation is all that’s preached in modern churches) would be taken from them(Judeans) and given to a nation(northern Kingdom dispersed Israelites, see Peters epistle, also James’ epistle) that would bear fruit. Judah suffered destruction of the temple in 70 A.D. as He had foretold them. Jesus had warned the disciples to leave Jerusalem when they saw certain signs happening and they did-they weren’t there when the Roman General Titus destroyed the city and temple. Jesus fulfilled the Law thus accomplishing what His Father had commissioned Him to do. Those things listed in the Law(except for the blood sacrifices, the ordinances) are still alive and well today. The Law has never been discarded. When the Law is done away with then you have lawlessness, which is pretty much what is running rampant today. Until there is a return to the Law, we will continue to see things get worse and worse. Just honour the Ten Commandments. We are born from above, not again.

  • eddie santana

    Ok Mr. Bill. Let’s say for a second God just came to call his own. How do you determine who those people are by scripture?

  • Bill

    Your question is a valid one. We don’t know who the true children of God are until God calls them out. God Calls out various peoples from all races,tongues from all nations and kingdoms. Remember God is no respecter of any race, color or creed of peoples. As man journeys thru life believing he is the master of his own destiny and living a godless life full of strife,debauchery,envy (Carnality)and all other types of heinous sins man thinks up in his heart and brings to fruition, Something occurs in that mans life (God directed of course) to bring him or her to there knees, therefore seeking repentance for the sins they have committed. A spiritual change begins to take affect on that man where God sends his Holy spirit into hearts and mind of the sinner and change begins to occur. the sinner begins to understand the emptiness of all the sins they have ungodly committed against the Lord. God knows who his people are before they were even conceived in there mothers womb. As you walk thru life you are not even cognizant you are child of God until he calls you out, and this is called( Grace ),Forgiveness and the gift of salvation for his people. This invitation is not open to all, only to the ones he has selected. Christians are not even aware as to who these people are at that time because no one goes around with signs on them saying look at me I am a christian. When you become a true believer and are new in the faith God will give you the wisdom to seek out like minded people, it’s a process that takes time and does not happen overnight, you begin to grown in grace and faith which is most important to all new believers, its the growing process.
    I pray i have answered your question as plainly as I could.

  • Bill

    Again, you need to read John 3: 16 in light of the entire scripture,precept upon precept, verse upon verse. you cant pick one verse out of the bible and ad your own interpretation to it which could be incorrect, you cannot add your words to the scripture and what you want it to mean. Please read the book of revelation and the final chapter, there is a major warning for changing the word of God. I am not saying i have all the answers because that would put me in jeopardy, not one person has the entire truth because the bible says it so. But you need to understand the foundational principles and building blocks of Gods word, and what he has in store for his Children. there are children of light as well as children of darkness ( satans children ).

  • You are in great error for thinking the way you do. Christ came only to save his own , not the entire world. you have taken that verse totally out of context

    • servant of The Lord

      Yes CHRIST JESUS CAME TO SAVE HIS OWN, but only CHRIST JESUS KNOWS THE HEARTS OF MEN , AND ONLY HE KNOWS WHO HIS OWN ARE. WE are as HIS Brethren suppose to Love THE LORD YOUR GOD with All thine heart, All thy mind, and All thine soul. Then we are to LOVE our Neighbor as Ourselves, and we all know who are Neighbors are, anyone we come into contact with in our lives or anyone in the world that our actions might affect. Praise and Glory to THE FATHER IN HEAVEN!!!

  • Andy

    Geoffrey, you have a very naive/unbiblical theology of salvation if you think it’s just a case of someone deciding to believe. It is a sovereign move of the Spirit (John 3). Why not spend your time interceding for those engaged in sexual sin, gay and straight rather than publicly hating on people. I cannot recall a single time Jesus did this in his ministry except when calling out the religious hypocrites. His message was tough but his heart tender to ‘sinners who need a doctor.’ Your lack of grace belies an incredible immaturity and non-conformity to Christ’s character (Rom 8:28-29). You’ve not been called to the role of an Old Testament prophet. Judgement belongs within the church family (1 Cor 6) not outside.

    • John

      Great post and spot on Andy. I learned many years ago that by standing in judgment of others and of their particular sins I was unwittingly setting myself up as a target and often fell into the same sins. Better to let God deal with each one by His Spirit and let’s stay focused on Christ and what he wants from us. I often repeat to myself Micah 6:8 “He has shown you O man, and what God does God require of you, but to do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with your God”. If we stand in continual judgment of others I think we will see little victory in overcoming the sins which so easily beset us.

    • servant of The Lord

      Dear Brethren, Please Stand fast and keep ALL GOD’S Commandments and Statutes SACRED!!! Geoffrey, I wanted to say thank you for being a servant of The Lord, I wanted to say yes one should not be in judgement of others, BUT they way the world is trying to eradicate CHRISTIANITY we as servants of The Lord need to make sure everyone knows that HE expects ALL to strive to be holy in all our ways for HE IS HOLY. so if one will not let others know that being in direct defiance to HIS PRECEPTS will send one to Hellfire then you are trying to be like the World and work with the PC police, for THE LORD GOD OF YISRAEL IS SUPREME AND HIS MITVOT ARE SACRED. So if one will not make a stand for GOD, then GOD will not make a stand for you. One should not be judgemental at all, but one should share GOD’S COMMANDMENTS WITH EVERYONE, FOR GOD IS LOVE AND LOVE ONLY, meaning tell people GOD LOVES THEM, but follow HIS MITZVOT NO MATTER WHAT, AND IF NOT THEN ONE IS OF THE WORLD!!! PRAISE AND GLORY TO EL, THE FATHER IN HEAVEN LADIES AND GENTLEMEN MY FELLOW BRETHREN!!!!!!!!

    • servant of The Lord

      Dear Brethren, Please Stand fast and keep ALL GOD’S Commandments and Statutes SACRED!!! Geoffrey, I wanted to say thank you for being a servant of The Lord, I wanted to say yes one should not be in judgement of others, BUT they way the world is trying to eradicate CHRISTIANITY we as servants of The Lord need to make sure everyone knows that HE expects ALL to strive to be holy in all our ways for HE IS HOLY. so if one will not let others know that being in direct defiance to HIS PRECEPTS will send one to Hellfire then you are trying to be like the World and work with the PC police, for THE LORD GOD OF YISRAEL IS SUPREME AND HIS MITVOT ARE SACRED. So if one will not make a stand for GOD, then GOD will not make a stand for you. One should not be judgemental at all, but one should share GOD’S COMMANDMENTS WITH EVERYONE, FOR GOD IS LOVE AND LOVE ONLY, meaning tell people GOD LOVES THEM, but follow HIS MITZVOT NO MATTER WHAT, AND IF NOT THEN ONE IS OF THE WORLD!!! PRAISE AND GLORY TO EL, THE FATHER IN HEAVEN LADIES AND GENTLEMEN MY FELLOW BRETHREN!!!!!!!!Make a STAND for THE FATHER

  • With the same measure that ye judge ye shall be judged. Leave the judgment to the Righteous Judge. Perhaps focus on sharing the good news, Christ died once for all to demonstrate God’s wonderful, unconditional love. That would be a much better use of your web page, because this reads like a very poor version of a trashy tabloid.

  • With the same measure that ye judge ye shall be judged. Leave the judgment to the Righteous Judge. Perhaps focus on sharing the good news, Christ died once for all to demonstrate God’s wonderful, unconditional love. That would be a much better use of your web page, because this reads like a very poor version of a trashy tabloid. If you speak with the tongues of men and angels but have not love you are like a clanging symbol.

    • Larry / vietnamvet1971

      well we can see you are a perfect example of a PC liberal you come in here and throw the Judging verse around like you know the Word of GOD, any one can find one verse and make it sound the way they want it to sound.

      Homosexual Perversion is a SIN against ones own body IF you do so it is a Major Sin because the Holy Spirit lives in us, our body is the Temple for the HS to live in us.

      Love is telling Sodomites to REPENT or Perish and do you really believe Gays can practice live in IMMORAL Sin and GOD will accept that? And those that support, condone and even with your Lips & Mouth say or approve of this Abomination you will be just as Guilty as they are and will receive the same (Death).

  • eddie santana

    You know, Hayley, people always say something like that when they’re a liberal Christian (which is a contradiction of terms), or that they don’t want to call to hold accountable someone they like or admire.

  • eddie santana

    Defenders of the apostates: you know what the difference between Jesus consorting with sinners and this Warren guy? The sinners were convicted and turned from their sins. I don’t see any repentance going on there anywhere…do you? I thought not.

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