Who’s Occupying Who? Let’s Look At God’s Original Land Grant Of Israel To Abraham

"In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites." Genesis 15:18-21 (KJV)
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The tiny, little fraction of Israel proper that the Jews have at the current moment pales in comparison with how much God says they really have.

“For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.” Genesis 13:15 (KJV)

In our day, much is made of the current conflict between Israel and the mythical Palestinians and the seemingly endless battle over who is entitled to how much of the land. People talk about the ownership of the Gaza Strip, the West Bank and the ever-popular canard called the Two State Solution. But all of these are straw men that obscure the real issue. Not only does all the land of Israel belong to the Jewish people, but way more than the current allotment belongs to them as well.

Jew haters and anti-semites, get ready to have your mind blown

“In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.” Genesis 15:18-21 (KJV)

For those of you who are not geographical scholars, here is the original land grant God gave to Abraham in bullet points:

  • The upper-right portion of Egypt
  • All of modern-day Israel
  • All of Lebanon
  • All of of Syria
  • A piece of Turkey
  • Half of Iraq
  • The northern half of Jordan
  • A little slice of Saudi Arabia

Shall we pause while we let that thought sink in for a moment or two? Because that’s how much land rightfully belongs to the Jewish people. If you think of it like a triangle, you go approximately 1,000 miles across the bottom, going from left in Egypt all the way right to Kuwait, up 500 miles to the top in Turkey on the one side, and 500 miles down to the bottom on the other side. You end up where you started in Egypt. That is one massive land grant.

The tiny, little fraction of Israel proper that the Jews have at the current moment pales in comparison with how much God says they really have. They day is coming when they will finally receive the full amount. This will take place during the Millennial Reign of Jesus the Messiah that happens right after the Battle of Armageddon.

“And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.” Revelation 20:4 (KJV)

And speaking of the Battle of Armageddon, the prophet Joel says that one of the main things that sets God off is when the Antichrist and his minions set about to “part the land” which God says belongs to Him.

“For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.” Joel 3:1,2 (KJV)

So when you hear people talking about the Two State Solution, and how they are going to divide Israel and give it to the Palestinians, they are playing with Holy Fire and that fire is getting ready to fall.

How much of Israel belongs to the Jews? All of it, and then some. God’s land grant to Abraham is in perpetuity, and will not only last through the Millennial Reign, it will last throughout all eternity as well.

Am Yisrael Chai.

 

NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he has a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.

  • Doug Mann

    Thanks for posting, AWESOME !

  • Indeed, Am Yisrael Chai forevermore Israel-Yisrael and Baruch HaShem Yahweh Yeshua Jesus Christ Bless Yeshua all who Stand with the Holy Land of Israel-Yisrael and our Judeo-Christian Nation United States of America!!

    Please Pray for our Judeo-Christian Nation United States of America and Israel-Yisrael Everyday!! “Pray Without Ceasing.” ( 1 Thessalonians 5:17 KJV )!!

    Love Always and Shalom Everyone, YSIC \o/

    Kristi Ann

  • Lucy

    LMAO.

    You’re one crazy son of a bitc h Geoff.

    • Hey, all I did was give you Bible…go tell God what you think of His land grant.

    • Ishaya Adamu

      Hey Lucy, please note that of all Nations of the world only the land of Israel has the God of creation as the Surveyor who demarcated it. Other nations emerged through negotiations with other nationals as neighbors. Jerusalem is the Eternal capital of the Jews and the New Jerusalem is the city of the King of kings. God Bless the land of Abraham and the city of David A-men.

  • Pete

    Interestingly, today’s religious Jews – those devout Torah followers – are against having a “state of Israel” at all, they hate what they call “Zionism”. They think their land will only be returned to them when Messiah comes. They are always pushing for the leaders of the state of Israel to quit trying to obtain the land through negotiations or battles. The other people who live there are Jews in name only, probably because they can trace their roots back a few hundred years to some European or Asian ancestors. They don’t have any real Israelite blood in them for certain. Nobody does. The DNA has been lost, long ago. And even if they did, God doesn’t define His people by race or bloodline. He defines them by faith.

    You sell God short, and Jesus short, when you fixate on the earthly ground. God 100% kept His promises to Abram….Joshua 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And then later during Solomon’s reign, you can read about how Solomon’s kingdom extended throughout the known world. God kept those promises, then moved on to bigger and better things through the true “seed” of Abraham – Jesus Christ:

    Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

    Abraham’s seed was to inherit the entire world, not just a portion of land in the Middle East:

    Rom 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

    Heir of the WORLD (the kosmos). Not heir of a state called Israel.

    You guys are confused, and sowing confusion on top of confusion. And the more time passes and we continue to witness the state of Israel just being another country on the planet, like Japan, or China or Colombia, the more people are going to abandon your modern dispensational framework.

    • Literal, visible, physical Israel will exist as a nation for all eternity. Israel is not a metaphor for any kind of universal salvation.

      • @ Geoffrey Grider 17 August 2016 at 5:34 pm Leave a Reply
        “Literal, visible, physical Israel will exist as a nation for all eternity. Israel is not a metaphor for any kind of universal salvation.”

        Psa 37:11 KJV – 11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
        Mat 5:5 KJV – 5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
        Rom 4:13 KJV – 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
        Rev 11:15 KJV – 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

        P.S. Only those whom repent and convert unto Christ will inherit anything. All rebels will be destroyed as always has been 😉

        • God has a different plan for the Jews than He does for the Church, you can’t mix the two because they don’t mix..The BOdy of Christ inherits New Jerusalem, the Jew who make it through the time of Jacob’s trouble inherit Israel.

      • CheshireCat

        AMEN Brother Geoffrey , May the LORD Bless you !

  • The Arabs are sons of Abraham as well, not just the Jews. Grow up already.

    • Ummm, no, the descendants of Ishmael are not counted with the inheritance.

      “Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” Galatians 4:30 (KJV)

      • Michael MD

        Old EDWA (EDWA?) has no idea what you’re even talking about, Geoff! No idea, none, zero! Just like Lucy or is it Luci? Their opinions and comments are a BLANK!

      • Pete

        //Ummm, no, the descendants of Ishmael are not counted with the inheritance.///

        Ummmm…yes they are, as long as they accept Jesus Christ as their Savior.

        • Crystal

          @ Pete

          Ummmmmm, NO, they aren’t!!!

          God made his covenant through Abraham and SARAH and their descendants (Isaac and Jacob) for being God’s chosen people! It was this blood line (The Jews) that was chosen for which God’s son (Jesus Christ) would take on a body of flesh, die for our sins, be buried, and raise from the dead!

          NOT Abraham’s and Hagar’s son (Ishmael) for which the Arabs descend from.

          This is why salvation is through the JEWS, and God’s land Israel was given to the JEWS NOT the Arabs.

          Accepting Jesus Christ as your saviour does not grant you this “inheritance” or “title”. You’re mixing things up.
          Salvation is granted to EVERYONE, Jew and Gentile when you accept Jesus as your saviour.

          This “inheritance” given to Abraham’s and Sarah’s descendant “The Jews” is a different topic altogether.

  • Larry/vietnamvet1971

    Yea, he is being as Wise as a serpent & Meek as a Dove.

    Hey Lucifer what do you know about the Bible GODS Word…from your silly answer you are showing every one
    in here how Ignorant you are…

    You know who will have the Laugh NOW and the Last Laugh.

    Psalms 2: 1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
    2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
    3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
    4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

    So run along now and quit showing people how silly you are.

    Laughing right along with GOD.

  • Michael MD

    Yes, so what?

  • romy

    Lyn Leahz just had a good video showing the name of God written on the land !! Another great presentation is to attend a CUFI event Christians United for Israel, pretty awesome history lesson for us to keep Israel in our prayers !

  • I am in full agreement with you on this point.Many people dont understand that there are two covenants given to Abraham.One is to the physical descendants, the other is to Jesus and the Church which is his body.. The gentiles who make up the body of Christ are more numerous than the Israelites..This is fulling the statement Jesus made that ” the first shall be last and the last first.”. There can be misunderstanding of the word “seed” Abraham only needed one seed to produce twelve tribes.it can apply both ways In the context Both Isaac and Jesus is seed singular but the parallels are the same. Isaac produce twelve nations, Jesus produce the church.

    • Pete

      chesterfield, //Many people dont understand that there are two covenants given to Abraham.One is to the physical descendants, the other is to Jesus and the Church which is his body..//

      Explain more. With scripture.

      //it can apply both ways In the context Both Isaac and Jesus is seed singular but the parallels are the same.//

      Wrong. Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

      IT’S ALL ABOUT JESUS CHRIST. Period. Dispenationalism robs our faith of that. It’s sad.

  • Pete

    //Literal, visible, physical Israel will exist as a nation for all eternity.//

    If you mean ethnic, national Israel…wrong. God has already expanded the notion (and nation) of “Israel” far beyond the bloodline of Jacob to include Gentiles. It’s why we have Romans chapter 11 and the olive tree.

    //Israel is not a metaphor for any kind of universal salvation.//

    Israel as a nation is a picture, a type, of the people of God. That has been expanded to ALL people of the earth, just as Abram was promised, through Christ. The Old Testament is filled with pictures and types. The land, the wanderings in the desert, the tabernacle, the sacrifices, etc.

    Learn how to rightly divide the New Testament.

  • Michael MD

    Then they become part of the body of Christ and they inherit New Jerusalem! Nobody who is born again inherits the land of Israel! Two different kingdoms.
    Unless, you don’t believe in New Jerusalem and THE KINGDOM is ONLY a land mass on earth! Then you have to believe that Christ is reigning on earth now and you will be part of bringing in the kingdom and it is relegated to earth!
    Same old JW song and dance! Da da da da

    • Jews in the time of Jacob’s trouble are not born again, different salvation plan for them. Read Hebrews and James to see what that plan for them will be.

  • Haydee Rodriguez

    I think you should be ashamed in how you express yourself !

  • Contributor

    It’s about time someone wrote this Geoffrey. Who better than you!! This should be top of reading list. Gonna repost it on our site. Bless you Brother ! Mary Magdalene

    • Contributor

      It written! Case closed. For a long time now.

  • Edd Newman

    Dispensationalism is a lie. No where does the bible say that only the “Jews” we’re going to return to the land. There are not two bodies. There is one body of Christ. One holy nation not two, one kingdom and Jesus (Yeshua) is the almighty king of that nation. If you are saved by the blood of Christ you are to join the nation of Israel, you become Hebrew. There is no separate covenant for the Jews or Gentiles. There is now neither Jew nor Gentile but one body of Christ and that body is the nation of Israel. This nation consists of all those that through faith believe Gods word, all those from Adam to now. There is no tribe of Gentiles, there is no gate to the city of God that says Gentiles above it. The truth in the Law and prophets is not for the Jews only, that is a lie. It’s for all those that hear and obey the gospel. The whole gospel. Notice how the book of Hebrews says the gospel was preached to them. Leviticus 23 is the gospel that we’re supposed to be living. Tragically most in churchianity look at you like a heretic if you mention it. The pagan practices of Christmas and Easter are widely accepted and Gods ways are rejected. The Protestant church is just a branch off of the Catholic abomination.

    Hebrews 4:1-11 KJV
    [1] … Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. [2] For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it . [3] For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. [4] For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. [5] And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. [6] Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: [7] Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. [8] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. [9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. [10] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. [11] Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. …

    • SDA cult member I presume? The law salvation plan was until John the Baptist. The church is not under law but grace. The gospel is the salvation doctrine; death, burial, resurrection. We saints by no means become Hebrew but new creatures, which will blossom in the resurrection. When we receive our future glorified bodies and minds.

      Luk 16:16 KJV – 16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

      Rom 6:14 KJV – 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

      Rom 1:16 KJV – 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

      2Co 5:17 KJV – 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

      1Jo 3:2 KJV – 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

  • CHAR

    Geoffrey, seems like no matter what GREAT articles you present to us, there’s ALWAYS the naysayers. You have the patience of Job. I have noticed since commenting and reading comments on the NTEB website (that I really enjoy and learn from) that there’s always some that want to argue about if the sun rose at 6:20 or 6:21 this morning. GREAT ARTICLE, GEOFFREY! Keep up the good work, regardless of the old sore heads that want to let you know how much they know, which isn’t much.

    Ron, I see we have a new person to add to our list of Emery’s and that would be Lucy(fer).

  • jkittyc

    Pete. That inheritance we have inJesus Christ is not the same inheritance as inheriting the physical land of Israel. If it was, there is no way that every believer or Christian from the beginning of time could live in this little space after the land is finally given back to Israel.

  • Pete

    jkittyc, //Pete. That inheritance we have inJesus Christ is not the same inheritance as inheriting the physical land of Israel.//

    I never said such a ridiculous statement, nor even implied it.

    • If your mom was Jewish, you are Jewish and if you are a male you have obligations to uphold the mitzvot and Tehillim. If your father was Jewish you have a claim to a Tribe, and as follows, the right to inherit (the land of Israel).

  • There is one big problem here which is always being ignored, and that issue is the two resurrections; good (before the end), evil (after the millennium). When a person dies they will face one of the two future resurrections and judgments. Therefore those in the millennium will only be saints of the first resurrection lot. For humanity (flesh and blood) ends by the millennium.

    Luk 20:35-36 KJV – 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
    Jhn 5:29 KJV – 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

    1Co 15:42-44, 50-53 KJV – 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. … 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

    Rev 20:4-8 KJV – 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

  • John Bingle

    If the debate is about the Bible: here is plain Bible: The Word of God: the Truth:

    The Right of the Firstborn
    15 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, 16 when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love. 17 He must acknowledge the son of his unloved wife as the firstborn by giving him a double share of all he has. That son is the first sign of his father’s strength. The right of the firstborn belongs to him.

    Genesis 16 tells us Ishmael is the FIRSTBORN of Abraham.

    The similarities between the Woman of Stars in Revelation and Hagar speak for themselves. I say to you what I say to all… Stay awake. Blessed be the Word of the Lord Jesus Christ. Humble yourself. Know that you may be wrong. Learn and grow. The will of the Almighty will not be changed by man.

  • Scott

    When people want to argue about the West Bank, ask them “Which river?”

    • Everywhere a Jewish (sole of a foot) has trod, I am told Hashem wants to claim as the future kingdom of Moshiach.

  • S R

    What King James Bible says in Gen 22:2 clarifies who the son is:
    And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
    -Abraham did not have 2 wives
    -The promise and the inheritance is not from Abraham, but from YHWH

  • John Bingle

    So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian slave Hagar and gave her to her husband TO BE HIS WIFE.

    – Genesis 16:3

    • Right, and then God cast her out because she was a wife of adultery.

  • The fatal flaw with this discussion is that the great majority of Jews in power and residency in Israel are not Hebrew descendants of Jacob, to whom these promises are made. How foolish to pledge support for a people that literally hate, even the idea of the name of Jesus. Pray for them, fine. But don’t dare ascribe scriptural significance to those that relish their status as antiChrist.

  • Sour Dove

    Only child sacrifice can save the world. The LORD rejoiceth in his own torture and death. Sounds legit.

  • I will say this. We don’t live in the last days. This is poor error driven biblical illiteracy. The last days is always referring to Israel and her last days. The body of Christ, which is us, are not part of Israels last days. We are a mystery that God hid. And God tells you why he hid us in 1 Cor 2.6-9. Christians who neglect the Apostle Paul, who reject him, who are ignorant of who and what God appointed him as, or just flat out ignorant of the mystery given to him and will never ever understand the bible correctly. Read the mystery. Understand what it is. Know your place in the bible. Rom 16.25, Eph 3.3-7, 1 Cor 2.6-9, Col 1.25-26.

    The body of Christ is not in prophecy. It’s impossible. God hid us and kept us a secret before the world was even created. If we are a secret, what makes anyone think they can find us written about and prophesied about before it was revealed to Paul???????? You will never find the body of Christ outside of Paul’s epistles.

    Our purpose today is not what Christian’s think it is because of corrupted pastors who DO NOT know their bibles. Not understanding these things is going to have a direct impact on your reward in heaven. This is a fact that Paul warns about. Those preaching another Jesus and another gospel. Those preaching another Jesus is preaching Christ based off of Israel’s messiah. We preach Christ crucified, they preached him as the messiah who was going to set up his Earthly kingdom. We are a heavenly people. Our kingdom is in heaven, not Earth. We will not participate in that in anyway. Not at least until the fullness of times which is a very long time from now. Once God removes us in the rapture, he will continue his program with Israel right were he left it off. That would be his wrath.

    Don’t get lost in the traditional mindset that has been going on since Paul’s day. He warned about it going on in his day; how much more today do you think it’s going on? Understand that our gospel, Paul’s gospel, is not the same as their gospel, Israel’s gospel. Very important to understand. Read the verses.

    Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

    But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me (PAUL), as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:

    Most Christians are following Christ according to the circumcision and Peter. Paul warns you to not preach Jesus this way! Paul says to follow him as HE follows Christ. Do not follow Peter as he followed Christ. Major error in doing so! Don’t twist the two gospels. Once you understand how to rightly divide the scriptures, your eyes will be open and your understanding will be great. Guaranteed.

    • apocholipso:

      “I will say this. We don’t live in the last days. This is poor error driven biblical illiteracy. The last days is always referring to Israel and her last days”

      NOT TRUE! We have been in the ‘last days’ since Pentecost. Peter declared fact on Pentecost!

      Act 2:17 KJV – 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
      2Ti 3:1 KJV – 1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
      Heb 1:2 KJV – 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
      Jas 5:3 KJV – 3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
      2Pe 3:3 KJV – 3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

      All of these things are still being fulfilled, as clearly evidenced.

      “Once God removes us in the rapture, he will continue his program with Israel right were he left it off. That would be his wrath”

      NOT TRUE! We are not removed yet, but changed into glorified form before the end comes!

      1Co 15:20-26 KJV – 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

      P.S. The ‘last days’ means the ending period of mankind’s reign (2000+ years so far), which concludes with the brief wrath (end) segment. The first resurrection plan begins before the end and concludes at the dramatic time of return unto world judgment!

      2Th 1:7-10 KJV – 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed ) in that day.

      • My parents were higher in holiness than I will ever attain to! They knew right from wrong. They knew what pleased Hashem.
        I say I love Hashem, but when I fail to achieve in my professional career, I don’t hold the character my parents did.
        I do not lose gracefully and with character, like they did.
        They did not blame others, they did not hold grudges, they helped people without ulterior motives, without expecting reward.
        They weren’t petty, base or vengeful.
        They often said,”We are living in the last days”.
        They could not imagine humanity becoming more depraved or sinful or spiritually compromised than what they saw in their lifetime. G-d Bless Them.

      • I disagree with you MRH. We are not yet in the Glorified Bodies Jesus gives to us at the Rapture. Whoever ruins the faith and hope of other people makes himself or herself the enemies of Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross. Here are some scripture that reply to the enemies of the Cross of Christ.

        Philippians 3:18-19

        18) ( For many walk [ this speaks of them who live for God outside of Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross ] , of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are enemies of the Cross of Christ:

        19) Whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly ( this refers to them who attempt to PERVERT the Gospel for their own personal gain ), and whose gain is their shame ( God labels this as shame ), who mind earthly things. People who do this only use the Lord Jesus for their personal gain.

        You are TOTALLY wrong about us being in our Glorified Bodies because all of the Apostles and John say that is Future.

        James 4:4 You adulterers and adulteresses ( Spiritual Adulterers and Adulteresses who look to something else other than Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross. God the Father calls this Spiritual Adultery. ), know ye not that the friendship of the world is ENMITY with God. ( Anything other than Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross Is regarded by God the Father as the friendship of the world. Anyone who trusts and has faith in anything else than Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross becomes the ENEMY of God. )

    • Apocholipso I preach Jesus and Him Crucified as well. I just call it Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross. I disagree with you on us living in the Last Days. Really it is Jesus’ Gospel ( 1 Corinthians 1:3-9 ). The Last Days will still involve this Rotten and Fallen World. We all need to be about the Father’s Business and obey the Great Commission that Jesus commanded us to do. Jesus gives us a warning in Mark 3:35 who is one of His own.

      Mark 3:35 For whoever DOES the Will of God, the same is My brother, and My sister, and mother.

      The emphasis the Lord Jesus Christ is placing ( for all on this website ) the DOING of the Will of God.

      Other than the Last Days I really agree about Preaching Jesus and Him Crucified ( which includes the Death, Burial, Resurrection, Ascension, Exaltation, and His Soon Coming Again–Parts 1&2 1) the Rapture of His Church and 2) the Return to Earth in Israel [ not the clouds–Part 1 ]

  • dbranch4Grace: Another problem is that when the Jews rejected the messiah, so was their promised inheritance given unto the Gentiles. However God is still working with the Jews to bring them to repentance and unto salvation. So one needs to see both plans in proper perspective to understand things. But also one must remember that the final plan will be paradise in the new heaven and earth for the saved lot. For the present creation will be destroyed prior, including people and lands. However the bible only gives us a brief vague glimpse unto things to come. So in the meantime our work as witnesses unto the lost continues 😉

  • And Right You Are. Every bit of it is Israel’s Land. The International community is surely angering God Almighty, and one day they will see what belongs to Israel and what they have taken from them. They continue to state that Israel is occupying Palestinian land, which is a lie. They continue to make effort to stop Israel from building on their own land. The entire world continues to treat Israel badly, as we see in every UN gathering that they have. Everyone votes against Israel. I think the worlds treatment of Israel should anger every lover of God, as it must anger God Almighty. It will not go on, as Christ Himself will Reign in Jerusalem as the King of Kings. It was nothing short of a miracle that God gathered Israel from the four corners of the World bringing them back to their land and it all happened in a day that they were declared a Nation. I look forward to the day that Christ will Reign from Jerusalem and we finally have peace. Hallelujah, they will all see just who it belongs to.
    What a great article!

    • My response was to Geoffrey’s reply to Lucy (way up at the top). I thought I had clicked reply, but I got placed down here at the end.

  • Crystal

    @Lucy

    What a very hateful, disgusting comment Lucy!!!

    Your hateful anti-christ spirit shows through and through. Please take your anti-semitic hateful attitude elsewhere.

  • CHAR

    Crystal, Amen, sister! She shortened her name. It’s Lucy(fer).

  • John Bingle you are misapplying scripture if that even is scripture. I have no idea which book or chapter your referencing.

    Gods Covenant with Abraham was confirmed and reaffirmed through Issac and then through Jacob who was named by God Israel. God blessed Abraham then Issac and then Jacob. He did allow for Abraham’s sake only for Ishmael and his decedents to become a powerful people but he did not give him Issac’s inheritance.

    To deny Issac’s inheritance is to Deny Jesus for it is through the line of Issac then Jacob then Judah and then David that the savor came. You can not Bless the Word who is Jesus and then deny Issac was the proper inheritor to God’s Promise. If you deny Issac as the inheritor of Abraham’s covenant then you deny Jesus as being the promised Messiah.

    You need to think very Carefully about that. For your thoughts are on conflict of each other.

  • Hi! We live in Israel and, with all the hate in the world, it’s nice to see the support. My wife and I are working to build a family business here and we recently launched a subscription box at https://vibceramics.cratejoy.com/, which features candles and bowls made by artisans in The Land of Israel. Please let us know what you think.

  • A Trober

    Thanks for the article.

    1. The Jews are not all of Israel. ONLY the descendents of Judah are Jews. The other tribes, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ARE NOT JEWS. BUT, they ARE Israelites.

    2. The political state of Israel today is, biblically and prophetically, Judah. “Israel” refers either to Ancient Israel or the “sons of promise”, those under the New Covenant at this time.

    3. The Northern Kingdom will be rejoined to Judah after Messiah returns. Review Jer 3:6-18.
    Also, note Ezekiel was prophesying to the “House of Israel” WHICH HAD GONE INTO CAPTIVITY 1.5 CENTURIES EARLIER. They never returned.

    All 12 tribes will be relocated in this land. Thanks for the article reminding us.

  • Alex

    Truth, simple as that

  • Leigh

    What lovely language for a ‘lady’…

  • Geoff brother, i love the bible, it is the Word of God, but i don’t always understand it, as truly no person will percieve all in this life.
    For instance………. God promised the land of Israel to the Jews FOREVER. Now this earth as we know it is destined for destruction, in fact the whole universe. Then we will have a new earth and universe. Surely, in my way of thinking, God will give the Jews a similar proportion of the new earth.???????? Love u all.
    Thom van Rooyen, South Africa.

    • Yes, even in ETERNITY the literal, visible, physical land of Israel will still exists as a nation. Revelation 21 shows us clearly that in eternity nations will exist, and kings of those earthly nations will exist.

      “And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.” Revelation 21:24-26 (KJV)

      People have the mistaken notion that eternity will just be fluffy clouds and harps, nothing could be further from the truth. It will be a perfect world, but a world with nations, and countries, and kings, and all the rest. And the people that made it through the time of Jacob’s trouble will populate it for ever, having children and never dying.

      Wild, isn’t it?

  • William

    Bravo ! It is the perfect truth and this must go viral !

  • Moedim

    My guess is that the full parameters of this land grant will not be fulfilled until after the Messianic Age and the new heavens and earth are in place and the New Yerushalem comes down from Heaven. Ezekiel gives equal land grant measurements for each tribe, ruled by the Prince (Yeshua the Messiah), which would not equate to the full land grant promised to Abraham. I think Ezekiel’s prophecy of land allotments, Temple, and the Prince fit the Messianic 1,000 year Age, but the full land promise is still not fully realized until after 1,000 years of refining the world through the Messiah and Israel.

    People need to be patient with Israel as Ezekiel and Paul prophecy and preach that one day all Israel with turn to Yeshua the Messiah. When the armies around them turn against them at Armageddon they will begin to repent and say “Blessed is he who comes in the name of YHVH.” At this point the Messiah will be King of Israel and nations will be subject to the Messiah and the saints for 1,000 years. The land promise to Abraham and Ezekiel’s land allotment will work out somehow, but I think after the Messianic Age needs to be taken into consideration.

    God’s city, House, people, and land were and always will be very important to Him in ways we do not understand and many ‘Christians’ have tried to deride. Many people are looking for a 3rd Temple before the Messiah with the Antichrist but the prophecies that allude to this are rather vague and could have broader implications. We should keep our eyes open for prophecy to take a different figurative track on a few verses than what has often been assumed.

    God is refining Israel and all who truly seek Him and we look forward to the prophecies of Isaiah 60, Isaiah 2, and Micah 4 coming to pass with regards to YHVH’s city, House, people, and land. When Yeshua the Messiah returns and rebuilds the Temple (Zechariah 6:12-15) the heartbeat of His people will be realized and he will make a New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34) with them that they will never break.

  • Leigh

    Thom were in SA are you? I’m also South African.

  • Pete

    @Crystal, I disagree. I believe God replaced the old covenant with the new covenant in the blood of Jesus Christ. Otherwise why is there a “new” covenant and an old? Heb 8:13 says “In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.” All of the old covenant was type and shadow, including the sacrifices, the land, the tabernacle, etc. God fulfilled all of the land promises to the children of Israel (Joshua 21:43-45) and when Jesus came and died, rose again and ascended to heaven for us He replaced (yes, REPLACED) the shadows with the real thing:

    Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us…

    See? The holy places made with hands – like the “holy city” of Jerusalem and the “holy temple” and the tabernacle – were but the FIGURES. Heaven itself is the true.

    What do you think?

    • Replacement Theology is the same as Anti-Semitism and is Very Spirit of Anti-Christ. Both lead to the Lake of Fire. Both are a Denial of Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross. The Bible says people who preach THIS are enemies of Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross and God the Father.

  • jes

    There is one factor you are forgetting–that God put CONDITIONS on Israel to stay in the land. They had to be in covenant relationship to Him, and keep the law. If they didn’t,they would be driven out BY GOD HIMSELF. They were driven out when they rejected their Messiah, and the last temple was destroyed, and the New Covenant came into effect. The current Israel is attempting to re-establish themselves in the land APART from being in covenant relationship to the Lord,. They feel entitled by nature of their birth, instead of by grace. Everything they are doing is in the energy of the flesh– trying to re-assert themselves as “chosen” ,and justify themselves for stealing peoples property that they have rightfully and legitimately owned for decades. They have managed to get the evil UN to declare them a state, and call that fulfilled prophecy. The promise of a “nation born in a day” won’t be fulfilled until Jesus returns, and He sends his angels to gather the remnant that survive the Tribulation. The current state of Israel is still in rebellion against God and as such has no biblical right to stay in the land. The NT( I Thess 2 :16) declares “wrath has come upon them ( the Jews) to the uttermost”, and that is the apostle Paul speaking! In the Amplified is says “completely and forever”. Israel has to repent and acknowledge they are no longer “the Chosen” until they receive Christ, and are chosen in Him, not in their ancestry. And you might want to check out Joshua 21:43, which say God has indeed fulfilled his word to give Israel all the land He promised “And the Lord gave unto Israel ALL (all means all doesn’t it?)the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.”

    • God’s covenant with Abraham was UNCONDITIONAL as Abraham was asleep at the time. “And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.” Genesis 15:12 (KJV)

  • Just because “one” lives in Israel (what we call Israel) does not decide who is Jew, and who is not. Paul stated that the true Jews, are Christians (Roman 2) and in Revelation, there are people in the world calling themselves “Jews” who are not, but are of the synagogue of satan. Also, according to Israel’s own Hebrew University, the ones with “Jewish” blood are actually the arabs/Palestinians- isn’t that interesting? We need to let God be concerned with what goes on in Israel. We have enough problems daily within our own lands….besides, this country gives money and weapons to this nation yearly…they are not defenseless nor penniless….yet at home here we have vets in need, forsaken by their gov’t; hungry children, floating homes and homeless people in Louisiana, etc…black panthers waging war on cops and white people? Do we really have time to try to fix other people’s issues when we can’t even fix our own??????????????????/

  • Rolly

    Good Biblical point Geoff. If the Messiah is a Hebrew, of the tribe of Judah (Rev 5:5), why call Him by some Creek name? John 5:43: the Messiah tells us: “I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive”.
    Isaiah 24 tells us the reason for the coming tribulation: “1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. 2 And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him. 3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word. 4 The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.
    5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. 6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

    So what of this Jesus you worship:

    Failure of “Jesus” to fulfill Prophecy of The Messiah which is the witness of the true Messiah:

    1. Jesus H. Christ did not come in the name of Yahuah. This image and name is built upon 3 pagan gods Hesus, Horus, and Krishna. Yahusha came in the proper name of “Yahuah is our savoir”.

    2. Jesus failed to fulfill the sign of Jonah which is 3 days and 3 nights in the grave. Jesus was in the grave 1.5 days Friday night to Sunday morning. Yahusha fulfilled this prophecy being in the grave Wed. evening through Saturday evening.

    3. Jesus failed to fulfill The Passover. He died on Good Friday. He failed to fulfill The Sabbath by being resurrected on Sunday he does not have Yahuah’s witness. Yahusha was resurrected as “Lord/King of the Sabbath being resurrected King on The Sabbath.

    4. Jesus abolished The Law. Yahusha did not. Yahusha fulfilled the prophecy of Moses that The Messiah would be the greatest prophet of all and properly teach The Law.

    5. Jesus does not represent The Sign of the Kingdom of Yahuah which is The Sabbath, he represents the sign of The Kingdom of Babylon… sun worship on Sunday.

    6. Jesus does not represent the Seal on the forehead YAHUAH is ONE which is The Shema. Jesus represents the Babylonian Seal which is The Trinity.

    7. Jesus does not represent the proper sacrifice of a Lamb on Passover. He represents the abomination of a Pig on the Altar of Yahuah that destroys those who put their faith in him… i.e. Easter the sacrifice of Babylon.

    • A Trober

      @Rolly

      #2 wrong.

      The Word of God will be proven infallible and trustworthy.

      IT IS TRADITION that says Christ was crucified on a Friday and risen Sunday morning.

      Even a casual reading of the Bible shows that’s impossible. IT WAS ALREADY DARK when He ***had*** risen when the women arrived at the tomb.

      Cats out of the bag for some time now, Jesus Christ was crucified on a Tuesday afternoon, THE ACTUAL PASSOVER ITSELF THAT EVEN THE JEWS HAD FAILED TO KEEP HAVING CORRUPTED THEIR OWN CALENDAR, ADOPTING THE BABYLONIAN WAY OF NEW MOON RECKONING.

      The following Wednesday WAS A HIGH DAY. Go learn what that means, a special Sabbath, one in Lev 23.

      Christ HAD ALREADY RISEN Sunday a.m. while still dark. It’s in your Bible. THERE WAS NO EASTER SUNDAY RESURRECTION.

      Christ had risen just before sunset on that weekly Sabbath.

      The calendars, both astronomical and historical, are beyond refuting and there. However, those STILL VIOLATING DANIEL 7:25 STILL COME TO THE WRONG CONCLUSION. GOD’S PEOPLE WERE INSTRUCTION ****NOT**** TO CHANGE THE SEASONS AND TIMES. Even the Protestants still do, and Easter and Christmas are 100% total pagan adoptions to expand organized religion by the tradition of men.

      Just like God said, ye count the word of God to no avail adopting the customs of men instead.

      (Note in the Bible why Jesus Christ kept the Passover BEFORE the nation of Israel did. Why? It would be blasphemy to say the Son of God didn’t even know when it was. THE NATION OF JUDAH DIDN’T KNOW WHEN IT WAS. They were keeping it the next day because they adopted the site of the first cresent to reckon a moon, and the original intention was the conjunction which can be up to 40 or so hours later.

      Jesus Christ kept the Passover, not the night before. And it is well beyond (sensical, informed) refute Jesus Christ was crucified on a Friday. NASA data, historical data and the Bible all align to prove He most certainly was not.

      • A Trober

        @Rolly (…continued, edited)

        there needs to be an edit button on comments.

        “Christ kept the Passover, not the night before [PassOver, as many claim]. And it is well beyond (sensical, informed) refute Jesus Christ was ***NOT*** crucified on a Friday. NASA data, historical data and the Bible all align to prove He most certainly was not.”

        TO THE DAY Jesus Christ was the Passover Lamb. That was the entire point of the Holy Day, Passover, Lev 23, in the first place.

        TO THE DAY the Holy Spirit was made available under the New Covenant.

        And, TO THE DAY Atonement, Trumpets the Feast of Tabernacles and Last Great Day (8th day of the Feast) will be fulfilled.

        This is lost in mainstream Christianity due to violating Dan 7:25. What the Pope did, the Protestants are doing, too. (At least with this explicit violation of God’s Word.

        “Man shall live by EVERY WORD that proceeds from the mouth of God”.

        DANIEL 7:25 IS PIVOTAL TO HISTORICAL AND PROPHETIC CORRECTNESS.

    • Ummm, in case you haven’t noticed, the Holy Spirit wrote the entire New Testament in Greek. Not only that, everyone has a Greek name upgrade. Elijah became Elias, Noah became Noe, Saul became Paul, and so on. That’s the way God ordered it to be. So yes, I will call Him by His “Greek name” of Jesus.

    • God still has plans to RESTORE Israel and bring the whole Nation back to Obedience to Him. Even though many Jews and Israelites will die in the Tribulation. God the Father will bring His Plans not ours about. This Anti-Semitism has to end.

  • bremertonchristian

    Rolly: were there two men, one named Jesus and one named Yeshua? Or are you saying Jesus is made up to confuse people about Yeshua? Clairifacation please.

  • Elaine

    @ Edd Newman

    ”The pagan practices of Christmas and Easter are widely accepted and Gods ways are rejected. The Protestant church is just a branch off of the Catholic abomination.”

    I agree with your statement on Christmas, and so did Spurgeon:
    Charles H. Spurgeon on Christmass
    We have no superstitious regard for times and seasons. Certainly, we do not believe in the present ecclesiastical arrangement called Christmas: first, because we do not believe in the mass at all, but abhor it, whether it be said or sung in Latin or in English; and, secondly, because we find no Scriptural warrant whatever for observing any day as the birthday of the Saviour; and, consequently, its observance is a superstition, because not of divine authority.
    Superstition has fixed most positively the day of our Saviour’s birth, although there is no possibility of discovering when it occured. Fabricius gives a catalogue of 136 different learned opinions upon the matter; and various divines invent weighty arguments for advocating a date in every month of the year.
    It was not till the middle of the third century that any part of the church celebrated the nativity of our Lord, and it was not till very long after the Western church had set the example that the Eastern adopted it. Because the day is not known, therefore superstition has fixed it; while, since the death of our Saviour might be determined with much certainty, therefore superstition shifts the date of its observance every year.
    Where is the method in the madness of the superstitious? Probably the fact is that the holy days were arranged to fit in with the heathen festivals. We venture to assert, that if there be any day in the year, of which we may be pretty sure that it was not the day on which the Saviour was born, it is the twenty-fifth of December.
    From a sermon delivered on the Lord’s Day morning,
    24th December, 1871
    At the Metropolitan Tabernacle
    Newington, London

    Acts12.4 (KJV) And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. -The pagan Herod observed Easter!

    I found 2 short videos for your encouragement.
    God Bless

    The 7 Jewish Feast Days And Their Prophetic Significance (12 min.)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiLbV5OgKFA

    The Rapture Vs.The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ (9 MIN.)

  • CHAR

    Elaine, I just watched the video on the 7 feasts. Thank you for the info. Yes, He is going to step out very soon for us ON A FEAST OF TRUMPETS DAY, hopefully this one coming up in October, but if not, then maybe next year. This one will be just another dress rehearsal then, but we have that Blessed Hope that He is coming for His Bride! PTL!

  • Elaine

    You are most welcome, my dear sister! Ah, yes, He certainly is coming for His Bride! Watching and waiting, and listening too!

  • Michael MD

    It’s a conundrum isn’t it? But the answer to the mystery of your thesis is in Romans 11. If you will take time to read Paul’s dissertation on the nation Israel regarding their past (Romans 9), Israel’s present (when Paul was writing – Romans 10) and then their future (Romans 11) pay particular attention to Romans 11:25-31, you’ll have your answer on WHY we support Israel.
    And, the answer to the riddle.

  • Pete

    Michael MD, there is a lot of debate on what Paul was saying in Romans 11:25-31. Can you answer specifically some things here?

    “blindness in part is happened to Israel” – does this mean ALL of Israel is/was blinded for a time? Or that PART of Israel was blinded?

    “until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.” – be come in where? Are Gentiles coming into something here, or is this saying they will be in a state of things?

    “And so all Israel shall be saved” – what is “all Israel”, does this mean 100% of every Israelite that ever lived? All of a portion? Or could this actually be “and in this manner shall all Israel be saved: through Jesus”?

    “There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer” – who is this, is it Jesus Christ? Did He come out of Zion yet, or is that future?

    “For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins” – has this covenant been given to Israel yet?

    Thanks.

  • Pete: I think what Paul is implying is that when the Jews rejected Jesus, God turned salvation over unto the Gentiles 😀

    Act 28:28 KJV – 28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

    Rom 9:27 KJV – 27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

    Rom 11:1, 5, 7-8, 11, 28, 32 KJV – 1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. … 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. … 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded 8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. … 11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. … 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. … 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

    Jesus himself declared that he is the only way unto salvation, that one must be born again to enter the kingdom of God. This message is later repeated by; Paul, Peter, and John.. but with different wordage. Saved = born again = born of God 🙂

    Jhn 3:3, 7 KJV – 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. … 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
    Rom 10:9, 13 KJV – 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. … 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
    1Pe 1:23 KJV – 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
    1Jo 5:1 KJV – 1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

    Note: Salvation differs depending on condition, but in all cases required obedience unto God. For today, we must obey the gospel message for salvation. Tomorrows salvation will be more stringent involving rejection of the beast and his mark 😯

    • Watch this stuff!
      Hashem will make it happen.
      He knows you, he knows your soul. If you are holy, and if you are his. Scary times are ahead.
      He will hold you as the whole world falls.
      They will die. They will suffer. Will you blame G-d and join them? Or will you separate from them and let G-d’s judgement destroy them without hating and cursing G-d as they die?
      It will be VERY hard for many people have compromised their levels of holiness in exchange for ‘acceptance’ from the ones Hashem has declared his enemy.
      Choose holiness. Choose to dwell among thoseHashem has approved of. Do not become complacent.
      Holy is holy.
      Evil is evil.
      Hashem has never changed his mind about what he has declared holy or what he declares as sinful.

  • “And the people that made it through the time of Jacob’s trouble will populate it for ever, having children and never dying.”

    Geoffrey Grider: Yes there will be nations but not like the nations of this world as there will not be any marriage games then 😉

    Luk 20:27-36 KJV – 27 Then came to him certain of the Sadducees, which deny that there is any resurrection; and they asked him, 28 Saying, Master, Moses wrote unto us, If any man’s brother die, having a wife, and he die without children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. 29 There were therefore seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and died without children. 30 And the second took her to wife, and he died childless. 31 And the third took her; and in like manner the seven also: and they left no children, and died. 32 Last of all the woman died also. 33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife. 34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

    P.S. The first resurrection phase begins with Christs return before the end of this world stage begins, and commences at the deliverance of the kingdom after the end period is over.

    1Co 15:20-26 KJV – 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

  • @ Crystal: Actually when the Jews rebelled by rejecting Jesus, they forever lost their promised inheritance, as God turned it over to the Gentiles. That’s why we need to focus on the epistles and the church, not so much on ancient promises to the Jews. As Paul states…

    Rom 15:4 KJV – 4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

    Note: The word ‘aforetime’ implies before the church was born, which includes both the Gospels and entire OT.

    P.S. Too many Christians try to mix OT and NT doctrine together which only ends up creating a great big mess 🙁

  • A Trober:The problem is that when the Jews rejected the messiah, so was their promised inheritance given unto the Gentiles. However God is still working with the Jews to bring them to repentance and unto salvation. So one needs to see both plans in proper perspective to understand things. But also one must remember that the final plan will be paradise in the new heaven and earth for the saved lot. For the present creation will be destroyed prior, including people and lands. However the bible only gives us a brief vague glimpse unto things to come. So in the meantime our work as witnesses unto the lost continues

    • A Trober

      @MRH

      No. They are separate covenants.

      *ALL* of Israel rejected Messiah. First, the House of Israel (the northern tribes) and the House of Judah (Judah, aka “Jews” with the Levites and some of Benjamin).

      Today, the birthright covenant is still in action. Joseph’s inheritance was doubled, and unconditional, to his descendants.

      The land promise is a separate covenant not dependent on the New Covenant.

      fwiw, the VERY DAY the Old Covenant was instituted it was stated “another prophet shall come that you WILL listen to”. and “oh, that they did have a heart to obey Me”. GOD STATED BEFOREHAND THE OLD COVENANT WOULD FAIL.

      And, it most certainly did. And, Hebrews is the best place to start on why that chapter in this age of sin was recorded: NO ONE IS RIGHTEOUS NOR CAN BE MADE RIGHTEOUS THROUGH THE LAW.

      But, the birthright, land rights, even the Sabbath itself, are all separate covenants. (The Sabbath is why we know who the Jews are…keeping it was a promise of ***identity***.

      Ironically, we don’t know who the House of Israel is today. They are scattered amongst the nations, lost their identity, but end times still states Jesus Christ will rejoin the two after His Second Coming.

      No where in scripture is the land covenant associated with the condition of accepting the New Covenant.

      Peace.

  • Rolly

    To understand the Christian deception you have to read the history of the Catholic church. Constantine in 321AD legalized (if that be the right word) the changing of the “set times” of Yahuah , The original names and the Sabbath were changed. For starters, “J” was not in the English language 400 years ago. The 1st KJV of the Bible had the Messiah’s name of Iesous. Check http://www.amredeemed.com/religious-doctrines/protestant-teachings/origin-sunday-worship/ http://www.amredeemed.com/religious-doctrines/roman-catholic-church/protestants-accept-sunday-accept-authority-of-the-pope/. Luther broke away from the Catholic church but did not break away from their institutionalized false beliefs. An interesting site is “Sabbath covenant. In these “end times” one needs to discern the Biblical truth.

    • A Trober

      @Rolly

      > you have to read the history of the Catholic church.
      Exactly.

      The pope changed the seasons and times, aka God’s calendar given in scripture.

      Protestantism correctly figured out who the “little horn” was, especially after Napolean jailed him exactly 1260 years from his ordination and authority over heads of state. (The pope actually picked out who would marry whom in European royalty and deceived all of Europe that THROUGH THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH sins were forgiven, salvation granted and more).

      The problem is Protestantism didn’t clean house well enough by returning COMPLETELY to the Word of God. Dan 7:25 was an explicit incrimination by The Most High.

      Protestants to this day still practice their religion in violation of this condemned action. (It is not necessary to keep God’s calendar for salvation, only the New Covenant offers that). However, it ***IS*** necessary to keep them to clear up all the confusion Protestantism has caused by NOT doing so.

      Pre-, a- post-millinialism, what happens when we die, when are the dead judged and more are all confusions caused by not abiding by God’s annual reminders of salvation’s milestones. AND YOU HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE WORD OF GOD FOR UNDERSTANDING.

      You can still be SAVED, ignorant. BUT, NOT UNDERSTAND WITHOUT OBEYING.

      Peace.

      • A Trober

        @Geoffrey per @Rolly

        Geoffrey, what you are doing is a greater work than someone like me pointing out knowledge which will pass away.

        The New Covenant is in the Name of Jesus Christ and ONLY Jesus Christ and He ALONE is sufficient to save us putting our faith in Him and repenting of our sins.

        When we call come to unity in knowledge, Eph 4:13, (which, again, will pass away) will be family fireside talk for perhaps 1,000s of years.

        Godspeed.

  • A Trober

    @Geoffrey Grider

    > Wild, isn’t it?

    No. Scriptural. e.g. connect these two hints together in Deut 4:19 and Romans 8:21

    “And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars–all the heavenly array–do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the LORD YOUR GOD HAS APPORTIONED TO ALL THE NATIONS UNDER HEAVEN.” (emphasis mine)
    Deut 4:19

    ‘ the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.”
    INTO THE GLORIOUS LIBERTY OF THE CHILDREN OF GOD.”

    An inheritance…the entire creation looking up over our heads…given to the LIBERTY (whatever they choose to do with it. And, by that time it will not be sinful humans inheriting it).

    nations will exist then. Even though, elsewhere, the earth and moon will be destroyed, and eventually all of creation folded up like a garment and changed,

    He also says, “In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; THEY WILL ALL WEAR OUT LIKE A GARMENT. You will roll them up like a robe; LIKE A GARMENT THEY WILL BE CHANGED. But you remain the same, and your years will never end.” Heb 1:10-12

  • A Trober: The kingdom of God will cover the whole world not just a small piece of land in paradise. The inheritance will be for all changed saints after the resurrection phase over. There will be no more division then as all will be in complete harmony 🙂

    Rev 11:15 KJV – 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

    P.S. The church is the transition unto the millennium which is the transition unto paradise, as all in the millennium will be glorified. Humanity as we know it will be forever gone, as death will be destroyed. The new humanity will be immortals 😀

  • Buster

    John 3:16New King James Version (NKJV)

    16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. This says it all.

  • Moedim

    Watch for Feast of Trumpets 2018. God does things in patterns and on a schedule. God’s Feasts are a pattern of the 3 harvests of history. If you look for the Jubilee years and lay out the current events and the blood moons in the last 100 years especially, things look really interesting in that format around the questionable Jubilee years. In 1917 Britain took Yerushalem and had the Balfour Declaration which got the ball started. Then around the next possible Jubilee year Israel fights the 6 Day War which takes Yerushalem (on a blood moon pattern). By Feast of Trumpets 2018 Israel will have been a nation for 70 years and held Yerushalem for 50. Another point is that the total eclipse that was in the middle of the recent blood moon tetrad would be about 3.5 years from Feast of Trumpets 2018.

    My theory is that the seals, trumpets, and vials are actuated on Rosh Hodesh at the beginning of the each month, with events during the month, ending at Feast of Trumpets 2018. That would put a start at Shevat (11th month)(depending on when you start the 2018 year) this year with the 6th seal during Tammuz (4th month 2017) right before a Shavuot sealing of 144,000 (7 Sabbaths and 50 day count). I believe there are a lot of end-time theories that will catch people off guard with the Beast, Antichrist, mark of the Beast, rapture, sealing, tribulation period, calendar and feast timings, etc. Most know very little about the timing of God’s Feasts and calendar and sometimes Israel doesn’t have it right either. Rome has blinded the world.

  • CHAR

    Moedim, I like your calculations, but can’t you fudge just a little bit and tell us it’s this year? Just kidding, but I sure would like for it to be before 2018. I was thinking September 2017, but I don’t have any calculations like you do to back up my idea. I guess it’s wishful thinking and a lot of praying. We just have to wait and see. I know there are some that think it will be this October, so maybe we will have one more dress rehearsal this year and maybe 2 more and you will be right for 2018. Just be ready and bring as many as we can with us is what we are striving for! God Bless!

  • @ Moedim: speculation does NOT equal scripture 🙁

    Mar 13:32 KJV – 32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

    1Th 5:2 KJV – 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

    Rev 16:15 KJV – 15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

    Hint: The resurrection (v 23b) comes before the end (v 24a) and the rapture comes at the end (v 24b) 😉

    1Co 15:20-24 KJV – 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

    Hint: The biblical heavenly signs (v 29) occur after the first tribulation segment (v 21) and resurrection phase begun (v 28) 😉

    Mat 24:4-8, 15, 21-22, 24, 27-31 KJV – 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. … 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) … 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened. … 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. … 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    Note: The above scripture contains several signs which are often wrongly interpreted in regards to end time matters 🙁

    P.S. The blood moon thing may or may not have significance, unless we are in the tribulation now? Only problem is what is and when was the abomination of desolation? And what is the holy place where it stands? Personally I’ve not seen evidence of either thing yet, and I believe that the great tribulation is yet future. That we are still living in growing sorrows (tribulations), as quite evident by negative news reports. But Jesus said not to fear the times but rather to watch, as the end is still ahead 🙂

  • CheshireCat

    Hi Pete , I don’t have the link anymore , but if you’ll look I’m sure you can find it . Anyway through DNA testing they’ve discovered the Levitical Bloodline is still pure and intact, a Miracle in its own right !
    Pretty Amazing .
    Have a good night !

  • Moedim

    @ MRH
    4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

    It is important for us to watch the signs and there are so many signs that in the end we’ll be able to put some idea of the final time together. I think it is important for us to have a soft idea of what we think prophecies show on how things will be with a constant eye to the many other possible options to the traditional/our interpretations on things. Even the ‘no man knows the day or hour’ can be said to be provisional until the time came to reveal the timing for those who are aware of God’s calendar.

    Even if we substantiate that it will be Day of Trumpets 2018 there are a number of variables that would keep you from defining a ‘day’ not to mention the hour. We have differences in the conjunction to sliver of the moon in starting the month, then we have the fact that there are differences on when the year starts which can be a month off (the spring equinox and the new moon is a close call in 2018), and then we could have a suspension of natural cycles at the Day of the Lord and our 29.5 day lunar cycle could be shifted back to a perfect 30 day cycle for the Messianic Age like it was during Noah’s day (causing a total eclipse and the sun and moon being dark).

    In using God’s calendar, Feasts, Israel, the Shemitah cycles, Jubilee year, and prophecies God will unlock things when it is time. Rome succeeded in changing all God’s timeframes (year, month, week, day, and hour) away from being anchored by God’s timepieces: the sun and the moon. We are in a process of restoring them back into practice for the Messianic Age.

    I think we have fallen into a trap of taking Scripture a little far on defining a set amount of time for a 7 year tribulation period when it is a generic term and only traditionally connected with Daniel’s 1 week period. Daniel’s day 1, 1,290 and 1,335 parameters are fixed time sets we should be looking into. I think that the last 7 year Shemitah cycle and Jubilee year would be significant. I believe it will give man 120 Jubilee cycles (a macro of man’s 120 years) in control (6,000 years) with a day of rest (1,000 years) for the Messiah and the saints to reign. I did not mean to imply that the solar eclipse between the blood moon tetrad 2014-15 was the sun darkening prophesied in Scripture. I think the moon turning to blood before the Day of the Lord will be from the 6th Seal and the sun and moon darkened for the Day of the Lord at the end of 6,000 years.

    As far as Matthew 24 goes I don’t interpret v 28 to be the beginning of the resurrection phase as I feel that v 31 completely encapsulates that. I see v 28 speaking possibly of the nations like vultures coming in to completely annihilate Israel who they see as dead and God is gathering them all into one place to refine Israel and break the armies of the world…but is an alternate that should be considered.

    It is good for us to bounce ideas off each other and encourage each other as we see the day approaching. The source of the Messiah’s perfection was following Torah perfectly; I feel it is pertinent as we approach the end to be conformed to the image of the Messiah and the Father, walking according to the Torah that defines sin so we do not come under the condemnation of the Torah. In our mistakes the Father will look to the perfection of the Messiah. Locked within the secrets of Revelation is Torah. You cannot know the end without knowing the beginning. God’s Feasts are a roadmap that will bring light to when to expect Him to move. If we keep God’s calendar and Feasts we will be children of the light that that day would overtake us as a thief.

  • @ Geoffrey Grider: Actually ALL saints will inherit the kingdom of God, which is the New Jerusalem 😀

    Act 28:31 KJV – 31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
    Rom 14:17 KJV – 17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
    1Co 4:20 KJV – 20 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.
    1Co 15:50 KJV – 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
    2Th 1:5 KJV – 5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
    1Th 2:12 KJV – 12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.
    Jas 2:5 KJV – 5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
    Rev 12:10 KJV – 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

    Note: The kingdom of God pertains to the first resurrection which includes only saints 😉

    Rev 20:4, 6 KJV – 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. … 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    And ALL sinners will not inherit the kingdom of God, but will be in the second resurrection unto judgment 🙁

    1Co 6:9-10 KJV – 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
    Gal 5:21 KJV – 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
    Eph 5:5 KJV – 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

    2Th 1:6-9 KJV – 6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

    Rev 20:5, 7-9 KJV – 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished … 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

    Rev 20:12-15 KJV – 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

  • @ Geoffrey Grider: Oh, but not true, as all saints from Pentecost onward must be born again. Jesus himself declared born again requirement henceforth, not something which ends with the church age. However grace ends with the church age. Therefore those potential saints in the latter tribulation must also obey the law and reject the beast and his mark. Salvation then will be extremely difficult and painful to obtain, though many will comply knowing the outcome. So it’s best to get saved now while salvation is free and easy 😀

    Ever heard of the Noahide Laws (or Seven Universal Laws)? That’s what will be coming during tribulation unto the remaining populace. http://bewareofthenoahidelaws.followersofyah.com/

    P.S. I don’t fully agree with all content in short article, but it does contain some important information for tribulation saints 😉

    • Revelation 7:13-14

      13) And one of the Elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

      14) And I said unto him, Sir, you know. And he said to me, (the important point follows)- These are they which came out of great tribulation and have Washed their robes, and made them White ( in the Blood of the Lamb ).

      Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him ( Satan ) by the Blood of the Lamb ( Jesus ) and by the word of their testimony ( Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross gives us and them the Victory also the Preaching of the Cross of Christ. ), and loved not their life unto the death.

      MRH It always goes back to God the Father Honoring Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross now and the Future!!!

  • @ Moedim: Sorry but I accidentally deleted browser tab with detailed reply, so accept or reject below study link? 💡

    http://aeroventure.com/BABYLON/BABYLON_home.htm#7_TRUMPETS_(main_section)

    P.S. Bible prophecy is often symbolic NOT literal 😉

  • Am Israel Chai!
    And you know, Jerusalem is the city Moshiach will rule the earth from. There is a promise that Jerusalem will exist forever! Despite the efforts of G-d’s enemies (You know who you are!!). After many miserable ‘bad shepherds’, the world will merit a shepherd who loves Justice and loves the law and the Torah!
    Holiness ensues!

  • Can you people EVEN IMAGINE a reality where EVERY man is a prophet?
    Where EVERYONE knows Hashem and walks with him? Where there is a tree of life that has healing for all of the nations?
    Impossible to internalize with the world of corruption and debachery that we all live with. But the Tanach is quite clear.
    Hashem wins in the end.
    Make certain that you and the ones that you love are on the right side.

  • Be like the moth, which intently flies into the flame. 100% willing to burn itself up, to become heat, and light and help.
    I am nothing at all. But G-d loves you, and desires your companionship.

  • @ Sarah Shea: Satan rules this world through his fallen angels whom use puppets to control it. This is why the world is so messed up. And the dark trend will continue until Christ returns to end things. And at that time the saints will be delivered.

    Psa 82:1-2, 6-7 KJV – 1 [A Psalm of Asaph.] God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. 2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. … 6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

    Eph 6:12 KJV – 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    1Jo 5:19 KJV – 19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

    1Co 15:20-24 KJV – 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

    1Co 15:42-45 KJV – 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

    1Co 15:49-53 KJV – 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

    Note: The resurrection is the hope for the saints, not worldly concerns over lands or such, which will be destroyed in the end 😯

    2Pe 3:12-13 KJV – 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

    2Pe 3:17-18 KJV – 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

  • @ Sarah Shea: Who is holy by Gods standards? Do you really think good works alone will please God? 😉

    Isa 64:6 KJV – 6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

    Rom 3:1, 9-10, 20-24 KJV – 1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? … 9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: … 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

    P.S. Salvation today is through Christ not by following the OT law. Jesus paid the price for sins through his shed blood 😀

  • Moedim

    Tradition!
    We have been suffering from the effects of tradition in how Satan has used Rome to derail the church on the Torah, Israel, and the Messiah.
    For those who believe that the Torah is no longer vital and that the 4th commandment written in stone doesn’t apply to them anymore, the Messianic Age is going to be a surprise. When the Messiah comes back he immediately demands the world come to the Feast of Tabernacles (Zechariah), he rebuilds the Temple (multiple prophets), and the Sabbath and the News Moons are re-established (Isaiah). The saints who have lived by the Torah will then be chosen to judge the world according to the Torah (they are not in Heaven). The Torah will go out from Zion (Micah and Isaiah) and the light of the Torah which was the measuring stick of the Messiah’s perfection will shine. David loved the Torah and the Messiah never preached anything other than Torah as preaching setting aside the Torah would break the Torah (sin) and he was obviously sinless.

    Anti-Semitism is how this all started and those who had little regard or understanding of the Torah took the NT Scriptures out of context like Peter said they would do with Paul. It takes a lot of time to study how so many Scriptures that we were taught since childhood can be seen from a whole new perspective but I would challenge people that this is exactly the case. There are a lot of resources now and commentaries by Hegg, McKee, and books and web sites by many others are helpful. It is not about legalism or earning our salvation (which is only through Messiah), it is about walking in the path of righteousness and being conformed to the image of YHVH and His Son. Paul also had to combat the proselytization process (which is still a problem) that made Israel the gatekeepers to certifying followers, thus the book of Galatians (which is the most misunderstood book).

    The Messiah left us no other example to follow and the Father of Lies has said, “you don’t need to follow the Messiah that closely.” Look at the OT prophets and the prophecies for the Messianic Age; do you think it is only for Jews or done away with when the Messiah commands the world to attend the Feast of Tabernacles? Have we so deluded ourselves that we think that God changes and says follow Torah, now don’t, and now follow it again? I find it ironic that people fight the government to post the 10 commandments when they do not follow the 4th or the 1st for that matter.

    When Israel was destroyed it was easy for Gentiles without a good understanding of the promises of God to the Patriarchs (that do not have an expiration date) to say God was done with them and the Torah was just as done with as the Jewish people. I commend Geoffrey for standing with Israel and for the land promises to them that were made. It is my opinion that the borders for that land mentioned in this article are for after the Messianic Age when this world is burned up and reverted back to her original beauty with a new heaven and earth, since Ezekiel mentions another set of land allotments that haven’t been fulfilled yet (I don’t see Ezekiel’s Temple as figurative).

    The purposes of sacrifices and the Temple will still have significance in the Messianic Age as the prophecies attest (Ezekiel doesn’t mention a Passover lamb and the sacrifice setup is different and lends itself to a Messianic High Priest). The Messiah’s sacrifice was the agent of removing sin but God likes to use object lesson just like pastors and the Temple, Feasts, and all of Torah are perfect examples. Israel is God’s caretaker for the Torah and it was never an exclusive possession as Isaiah 56 says the mixed multitude coming out of Egypt imply, or that Caleb (Kenazite) was the representative of Judah.

    Somewhere along the line a human Jewish Messiah began to stink and God’s Son became God himself by a bunch of recovering pagans. Rome’s fight over Arianism and the competing view were actually ditched completely for a fully Trinitarian view we have today after numerous riots, excommunications, killings, and political wrangling. Did Rome, Constantine, and Theodosius define God correctly in a Trinity?

    One thing is clear, all things Jewish stunk to Rome once they were conquered and the traditional Hebrew belief that the Messiah was a man wasn’t considered. That the Messiah is God is rammed into us for so long even considering the possibility seems heretical for us in the beginning. Can so many be wrong for so long? Can God die? Can God be tempted? Why is the Son subservient to the Father biblically and then equal in the Trinity? Does having theoretical 2 natures explain the Messiah not knowing when he returns, if a tree has figs, not knowing it is not fig season, getting his authority from the Father, his subservience to the Father, or attaining control of all creation (already his if he were God)?

    Again we have numerous resources from Chang, Buzzard, many others, and even Isaac Newton on the Messiah being a man. God chose one man in history to be His agent of salvation and He has put control of all things into the hands of the Messiah and the Messiah will one day give control back to the Father. The plan for the Messiah was from before the foundation of the world and God fully revealed Himself through the Messiah’s perfection. Rather than demeaning the Messiah the awesome thought that a simple Jewish man was exalted above all creation and given the right to sit at the right side of the Father in heaven is amazing! He did not take pride in his role as Messiah but became humble and did not violently grasp at equality with God like another exalted being did: Satan.

    1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
    1 Timothy 2: 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people.

    When you take off the blinders of tradition the Bible becomes one whole book. Paul was not worried about the Gentiles keeping the Feasts and following his example of laboring to be back in Yerushalem for Pentecost (Shavuot). We have twisted the Scriptures and they were particularly designed to be seen from multiple perspectives to deceive those who do not want to follow the Torah or bow their knee to a simple Jewish man.
    The Torah, Temple, Israel, the land promises, Yerushalem, and the Messiah as a man have all been attacked and been torn from their Biblical meaning. We will be joint-heirs with a human Messiah (although perfect), not with God.

    As the Fiddler on the Roof says: Tradition! It is time to finish what the Reformation started.

    Revelation 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “ ‘Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; 5 for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes.

  • Izzy Sharon

    Unfortunately, if I were to concede that God promised the Jews a land mass (part of which is present day Palestine), there is a minor problem with the already insane proposition that God has a group of ‘chosen’ people. The fact that Christians I know, in my own family, believe this!
    Anyway, the ‘Jews’ were supposed to wait for God to return and repopulate them in their ‘Jewish homeland’. As usual, it was not in the interest of the Zionists (certainly NOT God’s chosen anything, considering they are referred to as the Synagogue of Satan, in Revelations) to wait. They have tormented and tortured those around this world, the great majority with absolutely no knowledge of why these evil and unforgivable acts of sedition ever occurred. They don’t have any clue of the bigger picture. Individuals who are looked upon as scholars and geniuses, go through life, never knowing the truth about the Jews. If they were unfortunate enough to stumble upon these truths, they’d be so scared they’d run the other direction(the mark of humanity who has had it’s most intricate psychological firewalls demolished and manipulated by those who understand it in it’s most deviant manifestations, using language, feelings and ego to protect your lies).
    The brief truth:
    90%+ of ‘Jews’ are from middle Eurasia and the land of Khazaar. Over a thousand years ago the King needed to adopt a religion to keep his people in line. He randomly picked Judaism (out of the big 3). These individuals, that we often hear referred to as ‘Ashkenazi Jews’, are in no way the Jews spoken of in the bible. The existence of any real Sephardic Jews, is extremely rare.

    These people took on the same sins that Jesus warned them of. Primarily, even though they aren’t even from where they claim to be, they have perfected the system of usury (interest), a sin Jesus harshly rebuked them for, and now, as then, they utilize the charging of usury to regular people, all the way up to places like the U.S., where they snuck in a bill to erect a ‘National Bank’. The Federal Reserve is not Federal, and they are a worthless institution. Our treasury is supposed to print, distribute and monitor our national money supply. They did for a long time, until 1913, when the bankers got their scam through. And now, these monsters charge our population interest to print the money that they put in circulation. The last man to catch on to this, and immediately return the presses to the US Treasury,,going so far as to putting millions of real Five Dollar Bills in circulation, in the early part of 1963. Those bills are easily noticed because they do not say ‘legal tender, nor do they say Federal Reserve. They say US Treasury. These bills weren’t pressed by the Treasury for long because the Zionist, Ashkenazi Bankers murdered Kennedy dead in Nov of 1963.

    These Zionists are in extreme trouble. They have used the U.S. to wipe out the land they believe is ‘promised’ them, since the Zionists destroyed the WTC on 9/11. It was the excuse to put the world in fear of terrorism. It also allowed us to begin decimating countries, for absolutely no real reasons except those countries are part of the ‘Greater Israel’. But don’t believe me,,,READ THIS ARTCLE.

    Now, they want America to go to war FOR NO REAL REASON, to, hopefully destroy Russia (along with China it remains totally free of the Satanic plot of a New World Order). The refugee Muslims have been planned, for over a hundred years, to be used against the Christians to destroy each other. With all this done, the other countries in South America and Africa would be easy to destroy……..

    Problem,,,they did not plan on the internet and news has gotten around that Israel was solely at the planning and execution of 9/11. It gave the public opinion needed to start wars and to take our rights as things were laid out for the NWO. Obama came in, destroyed our country, our race relations, our economy, and our culture by rushing in hispanics and Muslims. The Zionists thought Hillary would get to office, WWIII would commence and bloody hell would cover the earth until the could take it. But, we don’t need Armageddon. Christ has brought a man who is of genius level intelligence. A builder, who knows about what buildings that are detonated, in NYC, look like. He is essentially a clean person, who has watched a lot of bad things go down and he knows who does what. You idiots would have had WWIII, except Hillary Clinton is so incompetent that her unprotected server was tapped by Russia and they have EVERY SINGLE E MAIL! Putin is a statesman, and an honest man, with absolutely no desire for war, but certainly his strength should make Israel cower in fear,,they will be dealt with.
    Hillary in now quite sick. Even with the Zionist media constantly attacking Trump, even though he’s the good guy who wants to keep us from Globalism, Hillary is screwed. With her daily seizures, trouble walking and a ever growing medical community voicing severe concern that Hillary could be fit for office. So, instaed of that Zionist whore in the Oval Office, she’ll spend her final days, slipping into dementia, in a federal prison. And thanks to her emails, the U.S. won’t touch Russia. The election will be here soon, Trump will win in a landslide. A fantastic relationship will be had with Vladimir Putin, who has had KGB on Trump, every time he moves, for months. Putin wants to do what is logical to prevent WWIII.
    Putin had to expell the Zionists from Russia to take it back. He played them at their own game,,exiled them or through them in Siberian prisons, and took Russia to the contemporary superpower it is.

    It should be a good laugh watching the two most strategic, genius statesmen of our times decide what to do to Israel,,,,You can bet you will be given the option to go, and return Palestine to it’s home land, or you will be decimated. Sorry, but your country is as big as half of Delaware.

    You filthy scum will be given, by our lord and saviour, Jesus Christ, what you deserve. He came and warned those you claim as your genetic predecessors about their filthy, sinful habits and all they did was multiply them. “Pride Goeth Before A Fall.”

  • Day Five, 08/23, of the “week,” prophecy 08/18/2016
    http://www.thefourthofhegodhead15.blogspot.com

    The Sunlight Of God, Arriving With Healing In HIs Wings, see Mal. 4:2
    http://www.thepushorthepull2016.blogspot.com

    I like this chart, been visited upon by Holy Spirits, thirty years since last spring because of it, that’s when the Christ of Resurrection appeared to me, I was to tell you, He’s coming soon, been like living in a post rapture every since; just as so, it’s been all about this blessed event. I never set dates, though there are many, but Feb. 2 of last year, I was assured Jesus is on His way here, since then I’ve been included in a manner of census taking, one so physically overwhelming of marking God’s Anointed.
    As well, I was made a party to a glorious celemony of names, that’s a roll call right out of the book of life, every time a name was summon. Agreeably, some reading right here, said reveal would fitter and float from these ancient pages right off into spaces there. Remarkably, when I awaken, I awaken with the lyrics, “we exalt thee,” singing repeatedly in my head, again I say, hallelujah! Apb, please read the entire fifth day of the “week,” prophecy, blog, here, http://www.2016jesusisthespiritofprophecy.blogspot.com, all the more evidence, Jesus is closer to earth than He’s been since He ascended, beware, Apb

  • “The Torah, Temple, Israel, the land promises, Yerushalem, and the Messiah as a man have all been attacked and been torn from their Biblical meaning. We will be joint-heirs with a human Messiah (although perfect), not with God”

    @ Moedim: Not true 🙁 Jesus fulfilled the law, and Paul expounds on things. Also Jesus is no longer a man but a spirit 🙂

    1Co 15:45, 49 KJV – 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. … 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

    Scripture also states that those in the millennium are of the first resurrection 😉

    Luk 20:35-36 KJV – 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

    Rom 6:5 KJV – 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

    Rev 20:6 KJV – 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    And as for future paradise, there is no; temple, sun, moon, etc 😉

    Rev 21:1-4, 22-25 KJV – 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. … 22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

  • @pete

    Romans 11:18-22

    18) Boast not against the branches ( which you are doing – the Church has not replaced Israel in God’s plan which is still in effect). But if you boast, you bear not the root, but the root you ( the Church was grafted in on the Promises God the Father gave to Israel).

    19) You will say, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in ( the Church is God’s second choice- God’s first choice to evangelize the world is Israel [ which will be fulfilled in the Kingdom Age ] )

    20) Well; because of unbelief they ( Israel ) were broken off ( unbelief respecting Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross ). Be not highminded ( good to observe ) but FEAR.

    21) For if God spared not the natural branches ( Israel ), take heed lest He spare not you ( the Church )–[ the verse you really do not understand is the most important verse for all]. Pete the next two verses are also important.

    22) Behold therefore the Goodness and Severity of God; on them which fell, severity ( Israel ) but toward you ( the Church ), goodness, If you continue in HIs ( God’s ) goodness: otherwise you ALSO shall be cut off. [ the Church can really be cut off ]

    23) And they also ( Israel ), if they abide not in UNBELIEF, should be grafted in [ at the Second Coming of Jesus– also Zechariah 13:6-9–God will Restore Israel through BELIEF of Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross. Israel is going to be RESTORED TO THEIR FORMER PLACE IN GOD’S PLAN.

    God’s thought are Higher than our thoughts and His ways Higher than our ways—- ( Isaiah 55:18-19 ).

    Remember Proverbs 16:18

    Pride goes before destruction, and an HAUGHTY SPIRIT before a fall.

  • Pete

    @steven robbins,

    //18) Boast not against the branches ( which you are doing – the Church has not replaced Israel in God’s plan which is still in effect). But if you boast, you bear not the root, but the root you ( the Church was grafted in on the Promises God the Father gave to Israel).//

    No, the church was not grafted in alongside Israel … Gentiles were. This portion is written to GENTILES (verse 13) who might think they are somehow more favored by God because they now have the same blessings as Israel. Paul is warning them they they do not. It’s because of the grace of GOD that they are now in this position.

    That’s ok. A lot of dispensationalists get this wrong.

    //Pride goes before destruction, and an HAUGHTY SPIRIT before a fall.//

    Please point out to me where I am being haughty in anything I have said. My point is that JESUS is the entire reason for all of this, not a strip of land. Abraham’s seed is JESUS. We are ALL part of God’s children through JESUS CHRIST. There is no replacement of anybody. God has expanded His people beyond Israel to all of the world.

    What don’t you get?

    • The Gentile were grafted in after they denied Jesus. Why are you defying His Plans of Redemption for Israel through Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross? God wants to give the same Salvation and Sanctification to Israel through the Blood of Jesus the same as us. Why do you not see that?

  • Pete

    @steven robbins, You also seem to think that God has / had a separate plan for Israel that did not include Jesus and the cross. That’s 100% wrong. The same plan that Gentiles enjoy for salvation is the exact same plan God had, and still has, for Israel. Am I misunderstanding what you are saying?

    Wow, today’s dispie doesn’t even understand his own teaching. It’s like DTS has dropped the ball bigtime. Maybe all they do is talk about the rapture and they forget everything else.

  • All will not be glorified because the Sin Nature will still exist. Some will only give Jesus even then Grudgingly lip service to Jesus in the Kingdom Age. In their Hearts they will not worship Jesus. In Psalm 2:9 it says Jesus will rule in the Kingdom Age with a rod of Iron. If the Kingdom Age has no sinners then why does Jesus need the Rod of Iron? The Sin Nature will be all that is left to be defeated. 1) Satan is defeated and is in the Bottomless Pit, and 2) the World System is defeated by the Second Coming of Jesus. That leaves one more thing to be defeated: 3) the Sin Nature in the Hearts of Human Beings. The Sin Nature defeated by Identifying with Jesus and the Victory of His Finished Work on the Cross. The Sin Nature is unplugged and rendered powerless by the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

  • Revelation 7:14 and 12:11 Read them Pete God Plans do Include the Jesus and the Cross. Open your heart to these scriptures. The Cross of Christ is very included. God will bring Israel back. Israel will repent at the Second Coming it says so in Isaiah 64 ( The Song they will sing to Jesus.) and In Zechariah they will Mourn for Him Whom They Have Pierced!!! Read Zechariah 9:16; 12:10-14 and 13:6-9. Read these passages Jesus and the Cross are in both of these passages because Zechariah and Isaiah says that Israel REPENTS and IS RESTORED BY GOD AND JESUS CHRIST. Who are we to tell God who is a Jew or Israelite when His Plan for them is to REPENT THROUGH JESUS AND HIS FINISHED WORK ON THE CHRIST? THE SAME WAY WE CAME IN! THEY WILL REPENT AT THE SECOND COMING.

  • Pete

    @steven robbins I am the one who believes Jesus and the cross are the hope and salvation for Jew AND Gentile. YOU are the one who clings to a modern viewpoint that teaches Jews have a separate earthly plan vs. the church. Jews who are saved ARE THE CHURCH. There is no difference and there never will be.

    There is not one verse that says Israel will “repent at the second coming,” there is not a single passage anywhere in scripture that teaches Israel’s true plan from God is to have a national awakening only when they see Jesus bodily. They were given the same Gospel we have 2000 years ago, and many accepted it. In fact it is because of the remnant that accepted the Gospel that you and I are saved.

    Jews are not waiting for Messiah, He already came. Those who are waiting are LOST.

  • @ steven robbins:

    “I disagree with you MRH. We are not yet in the Glorified Bodies Jesus gives to us at the Rapture .. You are TOTALLY wrong about us being in our Glorified Bodies because all of the Apostles and John say that is Future”

    Uhmm.. where did I ever say such? You misread my comment 🙁 I said “We are not removed yet, but changed into glorified form before the end comes!”. Which is also the first part of second coming, which is the beginning of first resurrection phase. The ending is at second part of second coming, when the completed kingdom is delivered up to God in heaven. Which is the millennium, as all occupants will be of the first resurrection, death having been defeated for them forevermore. As for the order and structure of things according to varied scripture, consider my below simple text graph 💡

    Gospel; death, burial, resurrection (done)
    Pentecost; new covenant (church born)
    Church age (last days) = Matt 24:5-14 / Mark 13:6-13 / Luke 21:8-19 / (etc)
    Israel; great tribulation (a) = Matt 24:15-26 / Mark 13:14-23 / Luke 21:20-24 / (etc)
    Second Coming (a); resurrection (part 1) = Matt 24:27,28 / Luke 17:24-37 / (etc)
    World; great tribulation (b) = Matt 24:29 / Mark 13:24,25 / Luke 21:25,26 / (etc)
    Second Coming (b); rapture = Matt 24:30,31 / Mark 13:26,27 / Luke 21:27 / (etc)
    Millennium; Christ reigns (saints only) = Rev 20:4-6 / (etc)
    Judgment (a); resurrection (part 2) = Rev 20:7-10 / (etc)
    Judgment (b); great white throne = Rev 20:11-15 / (etc)
    Paradise; new heaven and earth prevail (saved only) = Rev 21-22 / (etc)

    Note: Although the church is not indicated in above, the church age still applies.*
    Note: None of the Gospel accounts mention the millennium period onward unto paradise.

    * The church initially was only for the Jews but after Stephens stoning and Pauls conversion the Gentiles were admitted as well. Of course Gods final plan was always to include all repentant souls regardless of nationality (John 3) 😀

    “Whoever ruins the faith and hope of other people makes himself or herself the enemies of Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross”

    NO! The enemies of Jesus are the sinners* (unbelievers) not confused saints** (believers) concerning scriptural interpretation. The gospel is the only salvation hope throughout the church age (John 3).

    * The sinner list includes all unholy entities; apostles, prophets, teachers, preachers, ministers, members, atheists, etc.
    ** The saint list includes only holy entities; apostles, prophets, teachers, preachers, ministers, members, vagabonds, etc.

    “MRH It always goes back to God the Father Honoring Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross now and the Future!!!”

    YES! The gospel continues unto the end, however both the millennium and final paradise, will have no concerns with the gospel. The gospel message only has value unto present humanity. It has no bearing on the resurrected saints.

    “I disagree with you on us living in the Last Days. Really it is Jesus’ Gospel ( 1 Corinthians 1:3-9 ). The Last Days will still involve this Rotten and Fallen World”

    Uhmm.. We have been in the ‘last days’ since Pentecost. Peter declared fact on Pentecost! The ‘last days’ end at the first resurrection event. Afterwards comes the end of the world and harvest.

    “God still has plans to RESTORE Israel and bring the whole Nation back to Obedience to Him. Even though many Jews and Israelites will die in the Tribulation. God the Father will bring His Plans not ours about. This Anti-Semitism has to end”

    YES! But only in spiritual fashion. God has no permanent plans for present day Israeli land, only for the people there which repent unto the gospel. However political Israel is another complicated issue. Likewise with people/political; America, Canada, Europe, etc. This all gets into deep mysteries involving the occult NWO game! 😯

    “All will not be glorified because the Sin Nature will still exist…”

    You’ve got things a bit mixed up I’m afraid regarding the millennium and much. Maybe we can continue above debate later? It’s late now (9:32 pm), and I’ve other things on my passion plate to deal with before the sand man arrives 😉

  • God will fulfill His Promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Here are the scriptures that everyone must read about the Abrahamic Covenant:

    Genesis 12:1-9 ( especially pay attention to verse 3 ) , 13:14-18, 15:1-6, 15:7-17 ( this is the part that is a Type of Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross [ and this portrayed it beautifully called The Sacrifice– so Jesus’ Sacrifice is portrayed even then] ) :18-21 is the boundaries of the Promise of God [Covenant].

    The Abrahamic Covenant is still in effect. Only The Mosaic Covenant was fulfilled in the coming of Jesus to DIE FOR ALL SINNERS [ JEWS, ISRAELITES AND GENTILES — ALL HAVE SINNED–EVERYONE OF US ROTTEN HUMAN BEINGS ]. God the Father will keep His Promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob [ Israel ]. The Whole Tribulation Period is about Bring the Israelites back into Obedience to God the Father, God the Son [ Jesus ] and God the Spirit [ the Holy Spirit ]. The Israelites will suffer incredible loss of life under the Anti-Christ and that is regrettable but the Israelites will REPENT [ Isaiah 64 and Zechariah 9:16, 12:10-14, 13:6-9 just to name a few–but very important! ]. God the Father will Totally Restore them both physically and most Importantly SPIRITUALLY! The Sacrifices of the O.T. will be used in the Kingdom Age to REMEMBER Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross similarly as the Lord’s Supper does for us today. What God has said He will Accomplish, Pete!

    There are Four Covenants in the Bible:

    The Abrahamic Covenant– which is still in effect

    The Mosaic Covenant —which is Fulfilled in Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross

    The Davidic Covenant—[ 2 Samuel 7:4-17 this tells us that Jesus will come through David’s Family and something more–pay attention to Verse 10— ]

    2 Samuel 7:`10 Moreover I will appoint a place for My People Israel, and will Plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more: neither shall the children of Wickedness [ all Anti-Semites, Apostates in the Church and those who practice Replacement Theology plus all other people who hate Israel and Sin Against God and His Word ] afflict them anymore, as beforetime.

    (Amos 9:15 is an important verse to pay attention to— And I [ God the Father ] will Plant Them [ Israelites ] upon Their Own Land and They shall NO MORE BE PULLED UP OUT OF THEIR LAND WHICH I HAVE GIVEN THEM, says THE LORD YOUR GOD. )

    The Last Covenant is the New Covenant. This Jesus Christ and His Finished Work on the Cross which is available to all of Humanity-[ for WHOSOEVER BELIEVES ] The Israelites suffered with their Unbelief just like We [ Christians ] will lose our mission because of the SAME THING—UNBELIEF!!!!!!!!!

    Genesis 12:3— And I will bless them who bless you, and CURSE HIM WHO CURSES YOU: and in you shall all the Families of the Earth [ Gentiles] be Blessed [ Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross–Whosoever Believes, Pete ]

    God has a different Plan for each Individual Believer In Christ, Pete. His Plan for you is different than for me or anyone else.

    Pete, God the Father will fulfill ALL of His Promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as well as all of us who Truly Believe!!!

  • Jesus and His Finished Work will be the Salvation and Sanctification for all of Humanity in God’s Eyes [ Israelite, Christians and the Whole World ].

    Pete, Pride goes before destruction and a Haughty Spirit before a Fall— Proverbs 16:18. Your post to me was Very Prideful and Haughty! You are wrong in being so Prideful and Haughty.

    Matthew 5:5 The Meek shall Inherit the Earth. The Qualification for Meekness is in the previous two verse that Jesus spoke!!!

    • Pete

      @steven robbins, I am glad we agree on the importance of the finished work of Jesus Christ. If you mean I am prideful because I am confident in what I believe, so be it. What I believe is simple: there is no Jew and Gentile, we are all one in Christ (1 Cor 12:13). This does not have an expiration date on it, it will always be true. The middle wall of partition between Jew and Gentile has been broken down (Eph 2:14). There is ZERO indiciation anywhere in scripture that the wall will one day be built again.

      God’s people are ONLY those who trust in Jesus Christ, whether Jew or Gentile. THAT will always be true. There isn’t any “church” vs “Israel” plan…there is ONLY the church. Israelites who believed in Jesus Christ WERE the the church at the beginning until Gentiles were also grafted in. That continues today and will continue forever.

      It is oxymoronic (or maybe just moronic) to say that God’s promises are somehow thwarted by this. These ARE the promises of God, in Jesu Christ.

      Obviously you think Jesus Christ and the cross were not that important to God’s plan. I don’t. I think it WAS the plan, always was, always will be the central thing that God did.

      What is “prideful” about proclaiming that JESUS IS THE REASON FOR IT ALL????

      Are you a demon and that’s why you hate those words?

  • Pete

    Geoffrey writes

    //The BOdy of Christ inherits New Jerusalem, the Jew who make it through the time of Jacob’s trouble inherit Israel.//

    So basically Geoffrey believes that the church (which they say is mostly Gentile) gets raptured to heaven before we have to endure the pain, and we get an unbelievable, glorious thing called the New Jerusalem. Meanwhile the Jews get a tiny strip of land on planet earth but only after 2/3 of them are wiped out and the rest go through enormous pain and suffering.

    And dispies think we covenant people are anti-Semitic?

  • @ steven robbins: Actually there are 5 covenants.. you forgot Noah 😉

    “There are Four Covenants in the Bible: The Abrahamic Covenant– which is still in effect
    The Mosaic Covenant —which is Fulfilled in Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross
    The Davidic Covenant—[ 2 Samuel 7:4-17 this tells us that Jesus will come through David’s Family and something more–pay attention to Verse 10— ]
    The Last Covenant is the New Covenant. This Jesus Christ and His Finished Work on the Cross which is available to all of Humanity-[ for WHOSOEVER BELIEVES ] The Israelites suffered with their Unbelief just like We [ Christians ] will lose our mission because of the SAME THING—UNBELIEF!!!!!!!!!”

    Gen 9:9, 12 KJV – 9 And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; … 12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:

    “The Abrahamic Covenant– which is still in effect”

    How so being that was the circumcision covenant, the beginning of the Jewish race.

    Gen 17:10-11, 13-14, 19 KJV – 10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. 11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. … 13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. … 19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

    Note: The Mosaic Covenant replaced things with the addition of the law. Also ‘everlasting’ can also mean indefinite 😉

    And I don’t see any remaining older covenants noted in below scripture.. do you?

    Heb 8:10, 13 KJV – 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: … 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

    P.S. There is now only the New Covenant, which I believe ends sometime after the second coming?

  • @ Pete: What most fail to understand is the resurrection, which is not the rapture. The resurrection phase begins right before the end begins, and the rapture prevails at the end of the end. That is the order of things according to 1 Cor 15.

    1Co 15:20-26 KJV – 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

    P.S. The above group of resurrected saints includes both Jew and Gentile converts only, not sinners in same categories 😉

  • MRH Thank you for reminding me of the covenant with Noah which applies to the New Covenant and the Abrahamic Covenant! Hebrews 8:10 and 13 are beautiful passages that directly says that God wants to Redeem Israel. Hebrews 8:10 reveals the big lesson the covenant of the Genesis 17 scriptures you posted were supposed to teach. These Scriptures are too many to post here I will just give them. These Scriptures also teach what Hebrews 8:10 taught and the practice of Circumcision was supposed to teach. These passages are Ezekiel 11:19, 18:30-32 [especially verse 32 -portrays God the Father’s Heart toward all sinners], 36:26 and one by my namesake through the Holy Spirit—Acts 7:51. Once again these passages were supposed to teach what the practice of Circumcision meant to teach. Being changed through Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross is what gives all of us Israelites and Gentiles alike a new heart. Plus the other two passages that teach that God the Father takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked are Ezekiel 18:23 and the last verse God the Father gives–Ezekiel 33:11.These passages teach us that God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked is important because He quotes them three times[ Ezekiel 18:23 and 32, and 33:11]. This is what concerns me about your post and Pete’s posts because I read No Heart of Flesh in them –Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross. Maybe diff different words will work,

    On your post on August 26, I disagree with you on there being two separate tribulation periods because no where in Revelation [Revelation chapters 6-19] and other passages teach this. Jehoviah Witnesses and others teach that the Rapture appears at the end of the Second Coming and that Satan will be released for the Millennium which I consider wrong, False and Unbiblical. Revelation chapters 6-19 reveal that the Tribulation includes the Israelites and the Whole World and are Not two tribulations. God included Both of the Tribulations you mentioned into one.

    I disagree with you on some of the events you listed . Some were right [ the parts of the Second Coming and those up to the Church Age were correct ].

    I disagree with you on the Millennium because there will be children born to Saints who are still in Human Bodies that will have the Sin Nature and GRUDGINGLY OBEY JESUS but like all sinners in their Hearts still Rebel. That is why Jesus withholds the rain and blessing to those sinners and He has to rule them with a Rod of Iron [ Psalm 2:9 ]. Some people even then in the conditions of the Kingdom Age will still rebel with all O.T. Saints living in Resurrected Bodies [ I don’t know if Sinless and Perfected– that is for the Lord Jesus to decide. ], and with Glorified and Saved Christians. Those who accept Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross will still be there in Resurrected but Human Bodies. These people who give Jesus only outward obedience Grudgingly but in their Hearts Rebel Against Him will join with Satan to Foolishly Try to overthrow Jesus and all of us [ Revelation 20:7-10 ].

    God the Father will Restore Israel BOTH Physically and Spiritually. Remember Amos 9:15.

    I do agree with you that Israel now as well at the Second Coming must Repent and Accept Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross for Salvation, Victory over Sin, Deliverance, Abundant Living and Eternal Life.

    I will end with this: [ as far as Persecution is concerned 2 Corinthians 5:7-8 is what I will answer to that ].

    This needs to be the Attitude of these debates finally–Jesus showed us in Luke 22:42:

    Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if you be willing, remove this cup from Me: nevertheless not My will but Thine , be done.

    God is still going to do His Will. I would say on this you and Pete I hope agree would with me, Because I agree with Mark14:36, Matthew 26:39 and especially Luke 22:42.

  • “I disagree with you on the Millennium because there will be children born to Saints who are still in Human Bodies that will have the Sin Nature and GRUDGINGLY OBEY JESUS but like all sinners in their Hearts still Rebel.”

    @ steven robbins: You forgot below scriptures, for there will be no more marriage and births in the Millennium, as no more deaths 😀 In fact the only reason for marriage is to grow the kingdom. By the Millennium the kingdom is complete 😉

    Luk 20:27, 34-36 KJV – 27 Then came to him certain of the Sadducees, which deny that there is any resurrection; and they asked him, … 34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

    Note: Equal is the key: The resurrection lot will be as the angels in all ways (powers galore), and without sin 😀

    1Co 15:35-36, 42-44, 49-51 KJV – 35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: … 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. … 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

    Note: Humanity (kingdom of man or mankind) as we know it is over and done by the Millennium. A new race of holy immortals will occupy the Millennium 😀

    “Revelation chapters 6-19 reveal that the Tribulation includes the Israelites and the Whole World and are Not two tribulations. God included Both of the Tribulations you mentioned into one”

    YES! But the Tribulation is divided by the second coming event, which begins the resurrection phase, which ends by the Millennium 🙂

    P.S. The bible holds all the needed keys, but requires deep spiritual study to understand hidden mysteries within the bible 😉

  • The passage in Luke you mentioned only deals with the Glorified Saints not the Survivors of the Tribulation who accept Jesus and the Cross. It only says simply we will be immortal like the Angels. There will be Redeemed Saints after the Tribulation because they will listen to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will not be taken out the Church will [ those who are truly Saved ]. I already said I agree with you that the Second Coming is divided into parts [ 1&2 }. Both Tribulations are still one because this period affects everyone [ Gentile and Israelite ]. It [ Tribulation ] affects everyone on Earth at that time. No more marriages and births for Glorified Saints Only. We will rule and reign with Christ over Human Beings who accepted Jesus and His Finished Work in the Tribulation. Those Human Beings NOT Glorified Saints will have children who will Rebel after the Millennium–Revelation 20:7-10. You are right about a resurrection phase. This resurrection phase began at the Rapture and continues to the Second Coming. There will be Human Beings in the Sheep Nations [ Matthew 25:34-40 ]. The people in the Sheep Nations will not have Glorified Bodies and still have children with the Sin Nature in them.

  • pete New Jerusalem does not come down until after the New Heaven and New Earth in Revelation 21:9-11. Sinfulness will be done away with in Human Beings God takes it away. There is no sin in New Jerusalem or in the New Heaven and New Earth. The Righteousness of Jesus Christ will rule in the Perfect Age to come after the New Heaven and New Earth with New Jerusalem. I am no demon. Maybe different words might help.

    As far as Persecution goes: I will answer with 2 Corinthians 5:8

    We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be Absent from the body { physical body ], and to be Present with the Lord.

    We need to have the Attitude of Jesus from Luke 22:42 in our posts:

    Saying , Father, if you be willing, remove this cup from Me: nevertheless not My will, but Thine, be done.

    God the Father’s Will be done [ No Dispensationalism in that verse ].

    Matthew 5:5 The Meek shall inherit the Earth. Not those who are Proud.

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  • @ steven robbins: There is only one big problem, and that is that there are two resurrections; good, evil. Therefore there will no humanity remaining after tribulation, only before and during.

    Rev 19:17-21 KJV – 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. 19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

    Note: The above passage declares the end of humanity (flesh) as the slain remnant 😉

    Rev 20:4-9 KJV – 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

    Note: Those in second resurrection are a mystery as is those in the first resurrection 😉

    FYI Revelation is a hard book not to be taken lightly, as it is filled with symbols which are often misunderstood 😉

    Jer 4:23-28 KJV – 23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. 25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. 26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. 27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. 28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

    P.S. Above wonders and such are only for topic interest sake, as such knowledge has no bearing whatsoever on our salvation hope 🙂

  • God’s Will be done. I do not listen to unbiblical teachers on Youtube. Your posts to me are very Unbiblical MRH and Pete. To me you are twisting the promises of God the Father to mean what is truly False. I am going to stand by All of the Written Word of God. The Revelation of Jesus Christ stays as written. Your Unbiblical Teaching do not fool me or any God loving Cross Believing Christian. Your posts are plain wrong. These are the teaching of madmen. Jesus would have much worse words for you.

  • Pete

    @steven All I have done is quote scripture, all I have done is said that Jesus Christ is God’s fulfillment of His promises to Israel and that we are all one in Christ, those who believe. And I back it up with scripture.

    Interesting that you have such condemning words for me when I say that. Such seething anger. Where does that come from?

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