What The Seventh-Day Adventists Won’t Tell You About Their Teachings

If you receive Christ as your Saviour through the Seventh-Day Adventists, only your past sins, up to that moment are forgiven. Now you must get to work to earn your salvation. They won't tell you that they consider themselves to be the only, true, remnant Church. Their prophetess, Ellen G. White, whom they revere and believe without question has told them that "...Satan has taken full possession of the Churches". (Spiritual Gifts V.l,p.189-90)
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“The official SDA position is that if you do not worship on Saturday you are not a Christian and will not go to Heaven. Sunday worship is the mark of the beast. They are clearly today a cult.”

“And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.” 2 Timothy 2:26 (KJV)

Seventh-day Adventists won’t tell you they are behind the “Revelation Seminars” they sponsor. They attempt to pass themselves off as just another Christian denomination. Watch out for these SDA outreaches as well: Voice of Prophecy, Faith for Today, It is Written, The Quiet Hour, and Amazing Facts. Click on any of those links and you will see the SDA attempt to hide their true doctrine and appear to be part of mainstream Christianity. They are not, you have been warned.

They also hide behind Health oriented shows on the networks, and sponsor stop-smoking clinics etc, all as introductions to Seventh-day Adventism. Often, the only tip-off that what you are reading originates with them is that it is published by “Pacific Press”. They produce bright and colorful Children’s books, often seen in medical and dental offices, and of course, unsuspecting Church libraries. They very much want to be perceived as Evangelical Christians, seeking a place on the ministerial fellowships. All this is good PR for them, but what do they really believe?

What facts won’t they tell you?

They won’t tell you that they consider themselves to be the only, true, remnant Church. Their prophetess, Ellen G. White, whom they revere and believe without question has told them that “…Satan has taken full possession of the Churches”. (Spiritual Gifts V.l,p.189-90)

They also believe our prayers are an “abomination” to God. (Spiritual Gifts, V1 p.190). That is what they think of you and your church, even if they won’t say it out loud in public, or to your face. They revere their founding prophetess, Ellen G. White, and made this statement in their “Ministry” Magazine of Oct. 1981 and have never retracted it:

“We believe the revelation and inspiration of both the Bible and Ellen White’s writings to be of equal quality. The superintendence of the Holy Spirit was just as careful and thorough in one case as in the other”.

They won’t tell you too much about Ellen G. White at their public seminars, but their goal is to bring the person attending to the point of conversion and baptism. Their 2000 baptismal certificate poses questions to which the candidate must answer “yes”.

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THE SDA CHURCH TRIES VERY HARD TO PASS THEMSELVES OFF AS A MAINSTREAM CHRISTIAN CHURCH WITH WEBSITES LIKE ‘AMAZING FACTS’. WHAT THEY TEACH YOU THERE IS NOT AMAZING AND THEY CERTAINLY ARE NOT FACTS.

Question 8 says, “Do you accept the biblical teaching of spiritual gifts and believe that the gift of prophecy is one of the identifying marks of the remnant church”. If the candidate says “yes” and is baptised, they soon learn that the “gift of prophecy” is Ellen G. White’s writings. Point 13 has them accepting that the SDA Church is the remnant church of Bible Prophecy. They have been baptized into an exclusive group, but they don’t know how exclusive it is, yet! No doubt they will be urged to avail themselves of a “Clear Word Bible”. This publication of theirs has inserted the words and doctrines of Ellen G. White right into the Bible text, insuring that the person studying it will have the mind of Ellen G. White. Slowly, but surely, the new SDA will come to believe these extra-biblical doctrines that set the SDA church apart from Evangelical Christianity.

The SDA Doctrines on Salvation

If you receive Christ as your Saviour through the SDA’s, only your past sins, up to that moment are forgiven. Now you must get to work to earn your salvation. Ellen G. White said in the Advent Review and Sabbath Herald of 10-26-1897 this statement, “…The terms of salvation for every son and daughter of Adam are here outlined. It is plainly stated that the condition of gaining eternal life is obedience to the commandments of God”. Of course, it is the fourth commandment that is stressed, since Ellen saw this one glowing in one of her visions. Salvation now becomes dependent on which day of the week one observes. Modern Adventists keep sundown Friday to sundown Saturday as the Sabbath, but earlier in their history they kept 6 p.m. Friday to 6 p.m. Saturday. The rest of us “Sunday keepers” are doomed to receive the “mark of the beast” and lose our eternal life. (The Spirit of Prophecy V. 4, p. 505).

Obviously, the SDA’s have never read in Acts 20 where the apostles meet on a Sunday, took up a collection on a Sunday, had communion together as a church on a Sunday, and listened to Bible preaching on a Sunday.

“And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.” Acts 20:7,9 (KJV)

If Sunday worship is the “mark of the beast” as the SDA will try and tell you, then the apostle Paul himself is in Hell right now. See how silly and unbiblical the SDA doctrine is? The Sabbath Day was a command given only to the Jews, and never imposed on the Christian Church. In fact, Paul says we have the freedom in Christ to meet and worship any day of the week.

“Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.” Colossians 2:16,17 (KJV)

When Jesus went to the Cross, and the veil of the Temple was ripped in two, the Temple system went down with it, never to be seen again until the Antichrist appears in the time of Jacob’s trouble.

Please read: Are Christians Required To Keep The Jewish Sabbath Day?

They sure don’t say this at their seminars

Christ exclaimed “It is finished” when He died for our sins, but it is not finished in Seventh-day Adventism. EGW wrote in “The Faith I Live By” p. 211, “At the time appointed for the judgement – the close of the 2300 days, in 1844 began the work of investigation and blotting out of sins…both the living and the dead are to be judged “out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works”. (Rev. 20:12″. People are never told at Seminars that if they become SDA’s and are baptized, a recording angel is watching their every move to determine their salvation eventually. EGW issues this warning in The Faith I Live By, page 210, “Every man’s work passes in review before God…Opposite each name in the books of heaven is entered, with terrible exactness, every wrong word, every selfish act, every unfulfilled duty, and every secret sin, with every artful dissembling. Heaven-sent warnings or reproofs neglected, wasted moments, unimproved opportunities, the influence exerted for good or for evil, with its far-reaching results, all are chronicled by the recording angel.” It’s not much fun being an Adventist and being watched constantly by that recording angel with his “terrible exactness”. Prepare to become very uptight. Christians will say, “sure we slip sometimes into sin, but we have a mediator in Christ Jesus”. No, you don’t in Seventh-day Adventism.

Be prepared for this SDA doctrine by Ellen G. White: “…Those who are living on the earth when the intercession of Christ shall cease in the sanctuary above are to stand in the sight of a holy God without a mediator. Their robes must be spotless, their characters must be purified from sin by the blood of sprinkling. Through the grace of God and their own diligent effort they must be conquerors in the battle with evil….”. (The Great Controversy p. 425). Obviously they have chosen EGW’s doctrine over that stated in the Bible in Hebrews 7:25, “Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them”. Where would we all be without Christ as our mediator, EVER making intercession for us? Christ bore our own sins in his body on the tree according to the Bible. 1 Peter 2:24 says, “Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree…”.

Become a SDA, and it will be Satan who will eventually bear your sins! Ellen G. White wrote, “…so Christ will place all these sins upon Satan, the originator and instigator of sin…so Satan, bearing the guilt of all the sins which he has caused God’s people to commit, will be for a thousand years confined to the earth, which will then be desolate…”.(The Great Controversy p. 485). You won’t hear this one at the Seminars. They keep their radical teachings for later.

The false prophecies of the SDA

Seventh-day Adventism grew despite endorsing a false date for Christ’s return. What a dubious beginning! Ellen G. White endorsed a false prophecy by William Miller that Christ would return, first in 1843 and then 1844. Miller repented when Christ didn’t show up on his date but Ellen didn’t want to be viewed as a false prophetess for endorsing him through her visions. The idea was concocted by one of her followers that the date was right, but the event was wrong.

Ellen eagerly accepted this “out”, and this explanation was offered to explain away the false prophecy: Christ didn’t come visibly to earth, but He, invisibly, in heaven, changed compartments from the Holy to the Most Holy in 1844 and began the work of “investigative judgment” that we have discussed previously. This false date and its failure triggered other heresies on the atonement of Christ which continues to this day. Honest-hearted SDA’s who have pointed out the error of the 1844 investigative judgment have been shown the door by their Conference.

You sure won’t be told the true history behind the 1844 doctrine by SDA’s. Embarrassing false prophecies by EGW have been, altered, covered up, and locked up by the SDA’s. You won’t be told about them, but here are a couple. One false prophecy done in the name of the Lord marks that one as a false prophet (See Deut. chapter 18). Ellen G. White said people alive in 1856 would be translated at the 2nd coming of Jesus. (Testimonies, V1, p 131,132). She said in Testimonies for the Church, Volume 1, p. 259, that the United States would be “…humbled into the dust” by England during the Civil War. No wonder Jesus told us to “Beware of the false prophets”.

Time is their enemy. These false prophecies will never be mentioned by the SDA’s. And if they do talk about some of them, it is through the filter of revisionist history.

The cult links of the SDA

You won’t be told at the SDA Seminars about the things they have in common with the Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons. SDA’s share their early history with the Jehovah’s Witnesses. An early Adventist, N. H. Barbour co-published with Charles Taze Russell. They had a falling out over (what else?) dates for the end of the world! (1844 and 1874), and parted company.

Both, however, kept heretical doctrines to this day like Jesus being Michael the Archangel, the denial of Hell, and both still advocate soul sleep. Both invented invisible occurrences in heaven for their failed dates for Christ’s visible return, investigative judgment for the SDA’s and Christ’s invisible “presence” for Jehovah’s Witnesses. There is Mormon link also for the SDA’s. It is a proven fact that Ellen G. White plagiarized most of her writings. The Church has been challenged by Walter Rea, author of the White Lie to prove that even 20% of her writings are original. They can’t. Their weak defense was that there were no copyright laws in Ellen’s day, so what she did was legal. You will never be told of her plagiarism by the SDA’s.

As Ellen was rising to prominence, Joseph Smith had just died. Her writings contain many phrases used by Joseph Smith. Mind you, he has also been accused of plagiarism. You will definitely not be told of her similarities to Joseph Smith at the Seminars. source

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  • Ron kirkland

    U guys who produce this stuff need to know what u are taking about and get the facts straight! I go to a SDA church and it’s nothing like u guys are discribing it to be.Stoonthe the false reports!

    • Great, please tell us where we got it wrong.

      • aka Glory

        I dont see many PEOPLE on this website any different than SDA predictions of the Rapture. Everyone in the planet, including the “antichrist” is trying to predict the RAPTURE, pre trib, mid trib, end trib, 9/21, blood moon tetrads, feast day of trumpets. We all have it figured out, everyone is guilty of doing it. Not just SDA or JW or Russell. Etc.

        My point is whenever “IT” does happen, WILL YOU BE READY TO GO? IS your body be “WASHED” in the WATER and your sins BURIED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST? Are you baptized and filled with the Holy Ghost with evidence of speaking in unknown tongues???.
        If you have NOT OBEYED ACTS 2:38; 10:43-48; 1;:1-6;22:16, YOU will be left behind!
        That is the only plan of Salvation your sins and the ONLY RECIPE to start a CHURCH in the entire New TESTAMENT. The “CHURCH” OF JESUS CHRIST. KJV.
        Any doctrine for salvation OUTSIDE the book of ACTS is a cult. I have been in all the churches and read the encyclopedia Britannica on all DOCTRINE, including Islam and Hinduism.
        If you dont OBEY WHAT JESUS said to DO, uou are lost and still a sinner.

        • ljp

          aka Glory, Yes you are right. We muct be born again of the water and the Spirit. Acts 2:38. I am a born again Christian. Baptized is Jesus name filled with the Holy Ghost with evidence of speaking in tongues. Thank you for the bible study.

          • Aka glory

            To: Ljp. Finally someone who actually read their bible and didnt skip OVER scriptures, delete water baptism, which is extremely important, did not delete the Name of Jesus and baptized with the HOLY GHOST WITH SPEAKING IN UNKNOWN TONGUES. ( Not the Gift of tongues). You will make it out in the RAPTURE whenever it happens. The rest of this group, including Jimmy has a lot more to read and learn, and they better hurry up. The RAPTURE is soon, very soon.

      • Jason Smith

        I will very happily tell you where you got it wrong. Beginning at the top we see a misleading heading.

        “If you receive Christ as your Saviour through the Seventh-Day Adventists, only your past sins, up to that moment are forgiven. Now you must get to work to earn your salvation. [End Quote]

        Point 1: The Bible is very clear that sins are forgiven IF you confess them.

        9 IF we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1:9)

        Now tell me reader can you confess of sins that you have not committed yet? Of course not! Thus Jesus’ sacrifice is effective for the sins which you have committed and repented of not for the ones you have not.

        So then what about future sin? Does Jesus leave us on our own for them? God forbid! John speaks to his readers and tells them not to sin but he assures them that if they do sin then they have an Advocate with the Father.

        “My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: (1 John 2:1)

        Thus the SDA teaching that when, by faith and repentance, you receive Christ, your past sins are forgiven is 100% true. And what you left off is the corresponding SDA teaching about asking God for the anointing of His Holy Spirit so that you might live without sin from that moment forward. Like Jesus said to the adulterous woman after He told her that He did not condemn her “GO, AND SIN NO MORE.” (John 8:11).

        And even more so SDAs teach that if you do sin after becoming a Christian you should not give up in discouragement but keep walking with Him trusting in Jesus’ faithfulness and ability to forgive and cleanse if you will repent.

        Point 2: The Bible is also very clear that believers are to work for their salvation. You falsely imply that SDAs believe you must work to earn your own salvation but that’s a distortion. We do believe that Christians have to work out their own salvation but it is not earned. Let’s turn to the holy Scriptures:

        “Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION with fear and trembling. (Phil 2:12)

        Now here is just as good a place for our author to issue a criticism against Paul saying that he is teaching “now you must get to work to earn your salvation” just like he has done against SDAs. Would that make sense though? Of course not! What our author left off though is the standard SDA teaching that working out your own salvation is not something you can do of yourself. Let’s continue quoting Paul.

        13 For IT IS GOD WHICH WORKETH IN YOU BOTH TO WILL AND TO DO of His good pleasure. (Phil 2:13)

        SDAs believe and teach that the Christian works IN COOPERATION with God who is at work within. Thus the impetus is not self rather by His Spirit the Lord Jesus puts both the desire and power to do of His good pleasure. Thus our work is to yield to Him.

        “I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so NOW YIELD your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. (Rom 6:19)

        Now there is much more that could be said here on this one subject but the point is made. You see by leaving off the complete pictures of the SDA teaching the author of this article makes them out to be something they are not. This is very typical tactic from SDA critics.

      • matai

        First of all we do not believe Christians that do not worship on the sabbath are not going to heaven. We believe in ALL 10 COMMANDMENTS, and KEEPING the SABBATH HOLY is one of those commandments. If you are going to be a follower of Christ you have to do like Christ did. Luke 2:16 it was his custom to be in church on the Sabbath. Mark 2:27, The Sabbath was man for MAN, not for Jews… and Jesus is the lord of the Sabbath. Rev. 1:10, John says he was in the spirit on the Lord’s day..what day u think the Lord’s day is?… James 2:10 by the Law is the knowledge of sin, If there is no Law how can u know what sin is?…we will be keeping the Sabbath forever Read Isaiah 66:22-23…….we believe in salvation by faith not by works, We do not believe Ellen White’s writing are equal with the Bible. we do believe she was inspired by GOD.

        • SDA teachings CLEARLY state that “Sunday worship is the Mark of the Beast”, and since Revelation says that no one with the Mark can enter Heaven, there you go. You should learn your own doctrine better.

          • Jona

            Where exactly does it say Sunday worship is the mark of the beast? The mark of the beast will be on your forehead or right hand if I remember correctly from revelation….and I don’t know that you can put Sunday worship on your forehead.

          • Official SDA doctrine teaches that Sunday worship is the Mark of the Beast.

        • Joseph

          First of all, you are adding the keeping of the Sabbath to one’s salvation. What happened to Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.” And how about Habakkuk 2:4 “Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.”,
          You see, the keeping of the Sabbath is not what Jesus taught–indeed, Jesus was accused by the Pharisees of working on the Sabbath. All about the Father’s business was his response…
          You say “we believe in salvation by faith not by works” yet you add the keeping of the law to it. It is your own contradiction which illustrates how you will defend your organized religion and by such strong defense you imply a condemnation of those who don’t believe as you do. You elevate Ellen White above your own ability to by inspired by God, and this is required by your organized religion to keep it’s precepts. That is making an abomination of your faith, for indeed you are dedicated to earthly results and earthly actions. You are trying to have it both ways. This requires you to defend yourself from those who really do want their salvation to be by faith alone. The invites a spirit of division, which SDA is quite often accused of–of keeping things to themselves while evangelizing for more membership. You might as well be Seventh Day Catholics when you do this.

          • Tyrone

            Hi Joseph,
            In relation to your scriptures, I believe the most appropriate verse to read is found in James 2:14-26.
            This should answer your question.
            We will be judged on what we know and do my friend. Faith without works is dead. Hand in hand with keeping his commandments.
            God bless

      • Markus Hartmann

        I’m not sure where you got your information from, definitely not from the SDA church…………….

        • Jeanie Jura

          Markus, with all due respect, Joseph’s comment is very accurate. Yes, in the SDA church there are many, many sincere, true Christians who believe the Bible as it is written. However, they cannot let their position be known as it could get them shunned and even kicked out. It is not the people in the pews that are the problem it is the organization itself that rules the roost. The only way they can hold all these differing positions – salvation by faith only vs. keep the law (works) – causes major cognitive dissonance in anyone who thinks about it.

          • Roy

            Jeanie, with all due respect, Markus comment is very accurate. Your statement: However, they cannot let their position be known as it could get them shunned and even kicked out. If I didn’t agree more with SDA organization than I did any other denomination I would not be there. If the people in the pew didn’t agree more with SDA org. than they do with any other denomination, they could not care less about getting kicked out, they would leave on there own. I am sure they wouldn’t wait to be shunned and kicked out. this in America isn’t it? We would have plenty of other churches to go to. Were we would not be called a cult. We being called a cult may be a good sign that we are getting it close to right. JESUS said if they hate him they will hate his followers. All I know in SDA church believe salvation by faith only not works. Since we r saved by grace only we try to keep the 10 commandments, If you love me keep my commandments -John 14:15 . We try to not lie, steal, kill—–so on–by the power of GOD. If you call that works then tell me which ones can I break over and over without caring or repenting. We know we r not under the law- {penalty of the law} When we mess up we go to GOD, that is grace. We do not stone each other. Peace be with you

      • aka The watchman1888

        I don’t know what type of research you have done on SDA’s. I don’t even know if you did research with a unbiased opinion or if you just went to EGW critical websites and read their information, however I did look at one thing you stated and I quote, “the denial of Hell, and both still advocate soul sleep.”
        First off, SDA’s believe in a literal Hell period. They believe that when a person dies, good or bad they go to the grave, the body goes to dust {Eccl 12:7} and the spirit goes back to God who gave it {Genesis 2:7}. What a humane way to go. Think about it. Let’s just say that you were a very bad person and you died during the act of murder. The thinking of most Christians is that when a person dies they go straight to heaven or hell so this person in the act of murder would be in hell for eternity or in the case of a Christian, when they died would go to heaven for eternity. Let’s go back to the spirit thing because the people that believe the idea of when a person dies they go straight to heaven or hell, The spirit is not a person that goes to heaven to live, or goes to hell to live. The spirit is comprised of “dust from the earth” plus the spirit of God or breath equals a living soul{Genesis 2:7} and {Job 27:3} so when a person dies his body goes back to the dust of the ground and his spirit{H7307 breath} goes back to God who gave it{Genesis 2:7} Oh but you say he has a soul and that is what goes to heaven. According to Ezekiel 18:20 {first part} “The soul that sinneth it shall die. Everyone of us have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God so when we die our soul dies as well and according to Eccl 9:5-6, 10 the living know that they shall die, but the dead know not anything. Their love, hatred, envy, their portion{H2506 one’s possession} is gone forever. They can’t communicate with the living and they can’t perceive living beings{Job 14:12,21} There is no life after death until the resurrection of the dead. All you have to do is have a unbiased Bible study and you will find the truth.
        Don’t even bring up Luke 16:19-31. This is just a parable and it’s main focus is not on the dead

        • If you think Luke 16 is a parable, then you are not a Bible believer.

      • Nikolai

        Completely false information..obviously you are clueless to what is taught within Adventism. I hope those reading this article also read the comments as well as do their own research.

      • Roy

        I have been sda long enough to know their doctrine well, I have only been told their will be more sunday keepers in heaven due to the fact their is more sunday keepers than their is sda,s. Not because they are right but because they were right in their hearts,They did not know the Sabbath was on 7th day or did not believe but still were right in their hearts. We only believe sunday will have anything to do with the mark of the beast at a short period of time at the end of time when it will be enforced up on the people by government and church combining—-church and state—and both sides will be heard and understood by all to chose but the ones whos sides with GOD,JESUS,and the HOLY SPIRIT will be persecuted by the other side. They will be many sda,s that will go to the wrong side. their will be many many on the wrong side that will come to the right side and problemly suffer much persecution even unto death, then JESUS will come, save his people. As for Ellen White if she did not exist I would still be a sda because I listed to many sermons by most all demonations and studied the bible on both sides and prayed,, on all subjects and doctrine and I have to agree more with sda,s. Unforturely there are some sda,s out there that would say, Your going to church on the wrong day!!! You are going to hell!!! To people who don,t even know what they are talking about.It would have been so much easier to believe sunday was the Sabbath, I had to turn down quite a few good jobs because I could not work on Saturday but GOD always blessed me even when I didn,t know and appreciate it. The only reason I try to keep the 4th commandment is the same reason I try to keep the other 9 only by the grace o GOD. If you love me keep my commandments. William Miller was a Baptist who started the 1844 movement. SDa,s didn,t begin until 1863 they were however were some that believed Miller in 1844 out of many denomions. They were very disappointed that JESUS didn,t come, some even didn,t work their farms because they throught JESUS was coming. So they did a lot of praying and Bible sturdy for the next 19 years b4 they started the sda church. I could go on but i won,t. Sometimes something can seem so wrong but I have found its pays to listen to both sides. Peace be with you bother.

        • William Miller, Ellen White, Charles Russell, Joey Smith….this are all CULT leaders. You are in a CULT, and you need to come out of it.

          • Roy

            Do you know how the Bible says to study the Bible?

          • Roy

            Is the Catholics a cult. don,t here people call them a cult much they have leader called a pope. Ellen White dead, she not leading any body.We have she writings, if we won,t to read them we can or not. If you did your homework you would know whoever wrote that in magazine in 1981 goofed up because E. White wrote her self that her writing was not equal with the Bible. I would be careful about baring false witness. Even if you were 100% right, you have blown it Paul said without love you have nothing, there is no love in this article. Not once did you say I will pray that you all come out of this group or please come out for you salvation. You get off on calling people cults. I don,t agree with J. witness,s or the Mormons but I have way more respect for them than I do you. If J. witness,s or Mormons went into Chicago converted all gang members to Witness,s or Mormons all the murder, Rape, stealing would stop so America would be a better place. Never have I seen J. witness or Mormons put out a hateful article like this. I,ll stick with the SDA,s

      • Joseph

        Well, look at this Mrs. White. Daughter of a hat-maker, she learned the trade at a young age. Within a few years of learning this trade, she started having visions. Okay, so let’s look at what hat-making so often entailed in those days: exposure to mercury. A young developing mind exposed to mercury could certainly induce, slowly, mercury poisoning, and for sure, this could have contributed to her hallucinations. Lots of stuff about the end of the world–well, if she continued to be poisoned, she certainly would be facing the end. Okay, so that’s the secular analysis. We have seen through time how God has used people to reveal Himself, and not always are these people sanctified or experts in the Word, but they are faithful and they are paying attention to Him. So this is, in a nutshell, what you’re getting wrong.

    • Jimmy

      Ron

      What is the gospel according to your SDA church then? Do you believe that Jesus paid for ALL your sins and that you’re eternally secure? Or do you believe that Jesus only paid for SOME sins and it is up to you to finish the rest to gain access into Heaven?

      I’m all ears…

      • aka Glory

        Jimmy, And your ears are dry. Have YOU obeyed the doctrine of the APOSTLES who started all the Churches in the book of acts yet???? Water water, as Betty Jean Robinson sings, when you go down, you better go down in the Name of Jesus. ARE YOU SAVED BY THE WORD OF GOD YET?

      • Jason Smith

        Hello Jimmy,

        In response to your first question, the Gospel according to the SDA church is that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, rose to life again on the 3rd day as Victor over the grave, ascended back to the Father to be our High Priest and that very soon He is coming again in the clouds of glory to take to heaven all of those who have a faithful covenant relationship with Him (whether they are the dead in Christ or the living saints). Do you disagree with this as the Gospel?

        In answer to your second question SDAs do not believe that “Jesus only paid for some sins” but, as stated above, that He died for the sins of the entire world! In this sense we believe His sacrifice to be more powerful than many Christians who teach a doctrine called the limited atonement. We also believe that by abiding in Jesus we become partakers of the divine nature and thus have the assurance of salvation right now and in the day of judgment.

        Finally, answering your third question, we do not believe that Jesus only paid for some sins. We do, however, believe that the individual must receive His free gift in order for His sacrifice to be effective. This cannot be done by continuing in unbelief and willful sin. A person must repent of all known sin in order to receive atonement. And no, we do not believe that it is up to us to “finish the rest to gain access into heaven.” What we do believe, however, is that teaching of holy Scripture that a believe must work out their own salvation with fear and trembling in full cooperation with God who is at work within to both will and do of His good pleasure. And who would not want to do this? After all consider all that Jesus has done for us? He’s a great Savior and an excellent God!

        • Joseph

          “the Gospel according to the SDA church is that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, rose to life again on the 3rd day as Victor over the grave, ascended back to the Father to be our High Priest and that very soon He is coming again in the clouds of glory to take to heaven all of those who have a faithful covenant relationship with Him (whether they are the dead in Christ or the living saints).”
          Where does Jesus take a role as “our High Priest” instead of being one in the trinity with God?
          Where does scripture make our simply faith turn into a “covenant relationship with Him” ???
          You see, you are adding to His teachings; you are adding conditions to faith. So much for “the just shall live by faith” and “not by works, lest any man should boast”. I’m sorry, but when you defend your organized religion, you ARE making a boast for the organization–making an idol of it; separating yourself from all other believers in Jesus by declaring your doctrine to be “more sound”. You people engage in divisive speech, so it is no wonder that articles like this one appear to show people what your organized religion is all about. Its about yourselves, when it should be all about God without conditions of proof to be seen by men.

          • Kiki

            Jesus is called many things and is many things according to scripture.

            “Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;” Hebrews 3:1 KJV

            Faith in Jesus IS the new covenant of which Jesus is the mediator. By accepting Jesus as one’s Lord and Savior, they enter into the new covenant.

            “And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.” Hebrews 12:24 KJV

            “Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.” Hebrews 13:20 KJV

            “…through the blood of the everlasting covenant…” That is “where scripture makes our simple faith turn into a covenant relationship with Him.” On our side, we enter into the covenant by faith. On His side, He entered into the covenant by sacrifice.

          • Rich

            So let me get this straight , you honestly believe you can just say I have faith and then spend the rest of your life doing whatever YOU want picking and choosing what is most convenient from the bible so you can eat drink and be merry and no repentance Jesus died so you can do whatever suits you and its all good? Brother you need to read the whole book not selected passages the wages of sin is death quote all you want lead the life you want free will and all. Its called judgement day work it out how ever makes you happy good luck with that.

          • Joseph

            No Rich, it’s not “I have faith therefore I can do whatever I want”. That’s silly. Faith has no conditions on it, but it is not a key to living immorally. It is God’s promise to us and with us as believers of His Word, not of the interpretation of His scriptures by some organized religion. You SDA defenders sound exactly like the Catholics. You have made an idol of your doctrines, justifying them by an exclusive interpretation of the Bible for your convenience and for earthly results. You continue to exalt Ms. White while saying it’s not scriptural–yet you goad us to read her books. When you do this, you make an idol of interpretation, and you are implying judgement on the souls of what you call “non-believers”. It’s not your job. You SDA supporters continue to do the same things here—you try to back up your idolatry with scriptures, but you are using the Word to be exclusionary and to defend your organization, and only secondly for the glory of God. We are led by the Word to glorify Him and when we start adding conditions to our lives, we only justify division and exclusivity to whatever doctrines our denomination follows.

      • Rebecca

        I am SDA and believe that yes my sins were paid fully by Christ at the cross. This article is very misleading.

      • GRAEME ELLINGSEN

        How can they believe Jesus paid for all their sins when they also see satan as the scape goat bearing the sins of the people into a land uninhabited.

        • Steven Jones

          It relates back to the Sanctuary service and the Day of Atonement.

      • Suzy

        I’m not an SDA (thanks to God – not only because of this article,but somehow I felt or knew since that they are not Biblically founded on Christ Jesus).

        But the Bible, yes, clearly states that we have to work out our salvation with fear and trembling – this means that Christ has played His part and will always play His part in our lives “if” we also play our part, in order to go to heaven. God is a perfect Gentleman, even after salvation, He will not force You to follow Him or obey Him, He is always there, but the ball is in our court.

        Christ paid the price for our sins, and He is our Mediator for those times we slip while we run the Christian race – but that does not give us a go ahead to sin because He will always forgive us. That is why we are not eternally secured – because there is always a risk of backsliding. Eternal security is after death in Christ or rapture.

        And if I remember very well, I had asked the question about backsliding on this site, but I don’t think I have ever received any reply.

        • Yes, “working out your salvation”, meaning the EXERCISE of it, has nothing to do with working to get saved or working to stay saved. Someone gives me a lifetime membership at the gym, total free gift, all I had to do was accept it. But after receiving the “free gift”, I am now required to go to the gym as often as possible and “work out”. But even if I refuse to work out, I am still a member, albeit an out-of-shape flabby one.

          • Aaron

            I see your point, but question though; if Christ returns while one is “still a member, albeit an out-of-shape flabby one” will they be saved?

          • Aka glory

            To. Geoffrey et all:, excellent analogy. ACTS 2:1-47; 4;8;10:43-48;19:1-6;22:16. Free Gift of the Holy Ghost, Free Gift of remission of sins in Jesus Name. We NOW MUST RECEIVE and REDEEM the “FREE GIFTS” HE GAVE US IN ORDER TO BE SAVED. Paul said to gentiles in Acts 19, “since you believed, have you RECEIVED”? They all had repented step 1. Then they all prayed and received the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST, the sign that it was received was when they all spoke in unknown tongues, step 2. Then they got re-baptized under the water in Jesus Name, receiving his PROMISE to remove all sins, buried with him, step 3. See Acts 22:16; Heb 10:22. You gotta be WASHED, BURIED IN WATER IN JESUS NAME or you are NOT SAVED. Laying down your pride and self at the foot of the cross. You die to self and are buried with him, in Jesus Name, the only Name that can save you from sin. Acts 4:10-12. Yep, no salvation UNTIL you receive all 3 steps. Step 2&3 can be reversed, doesnt matter. Acts 2:47…and The Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Free Gifts, but if you DONT REDEEM YOUR “FREE GIFTS”, you can never RECEIVE THE “VALUE OF THE GIFT”. Your analogy was worth a billion saved souls. Excellent. JESUS PAID THE PRICE, HE PURCHASED THE “GIFT CARDS” For us to REDEEM AND CASH IN. Sitting there on the pew doesn’t save one single soul. You are still full of pride and faith in yourself, if YOU HAVE NOT “CASHED IN THE GIFT CARDS TO SALVATION.” Obedience to His Word and commandments is the ONLY WAY TO SAVE YOUR SOUL. GRACE is provided only when you RECEIVE ACTS 2:38. Good for sinners in 33AD and still good for today 2016. God does NOT CHANGE NOR HIS WORD. People change and try to “DELETE” or “SKIP OVER” His Words. Let me know when you all have received and redeemed these two FREE GIFTS of Salvation. It is for ALL JEWS, SAMARITANS AND GENTILES still TODAY! I know because I was delivered and set free from traditional doctrine in 1986 and I did what Peter and Paul said to do to remit and remove sin. READ THE BOOK OF ACTS CHAPTER 1-22 five times, then you will get understanding. Read the last chapter of each gospel; Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. Write down on paper the red instructions Jesus gave his disciples on what do now to remove sin and be saved. He replaced the old COVENANT in the temple with a New and better COVENANT. He did not leave us “HIGH AND DRY”, (pun intended). Once YOU REDEEM THAT “GIFT” CARD –> ACTS 2:38; you will then see what I am talking about and you will get SUPERNATURAL understanding and scales will fall off your eyes and the blindness will be gone. This is NOT THE “GIFT OF TONGUES”, IT IS NOT. Watch http://www.cfcky.com and see the difference, esp. JAN. 3, 2016 order video of PM SERVICE. The GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST is completely different than the GIFT OF TONGUES. You can only understand the DIFFERENCE when you RECEIVE it. Acts 2:1-5, is the baptism, filling, receiving the GIFT OF THE JOLY GHOST. EVERYONE will speak in unknown tongues when you RECEIVE HIS GIFT To YOU. it takes about 10 minutes, you can receive it in bed, in the car, at work, anywhere. It a “FREE GIFT” of HIS “PROMISE” to Everyone in Acts chap. ONE. Not just to the Jews, it is for all Gentiles TODAY!
            The “GIFT OF TONGUES AND INTERPRETATION” only comes as a message to the church or to another person. It is NOT THE “Gift of the Holy Ghost”. Those “Gifts” come later, AFTER you obeyed Acts 2:38.
            If you Refuse to “Work Out” your gift of Salvation, you will receive the benefits. Acts 13:41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and PERISH: for I work a work in your days, a work in which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you. Col. 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in EVERY GOOD WORK, and increasing in the knowledge of God. 1Thess. 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your WORK OF FAITH… James 2:18 Yea a man say, Thou has faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works. Ja. 2:20 But wilt though know, O vain man, that faith WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD. Ja. 2:26 For as the body without THE SPIRIT( BAPTISM, FILLING, GIFT of HOLY GHOST) is dead, so faith WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD also. Your faith is in JESUS NAME, but without burying that “CORNERSTONE” for a foundation, it will collapse and fall. You got to get your”self” BURIED in JESUS NAME. *** In construction, 30″ BELOW ground level is the minimum building code to start a “Sound Foundation” when you BUILD A HOUSE or CHURCH. Think about it. You cannot build up, until you first build down. Oh yes.

          • Aka glory

            I meant to say:
            If you Refuse to “Work Out” your gift of Salvation, you will NOT receive the benefits.

          • Joseph

            Aka Glory, no offense, but your selective scripture and judging of peoples’ actions is not for you to do. It’s your opinion, and that is all. Your posts are disjointed and sound more like the Catholics than anything. You talk about faith and then you add a process to it. Just like the Roman Catholics have done for centuries. The church is not a building or an organization. You don’t have to leave SDA. For sure, fellowship with believers is wonderful, but it’s not for you or me or anyone else to pick apart and then to justify our own minds with scripture. His Word is our tool for right living, but how we use that tool is ultimately His to give discernment. The Father’s ways are not our ways, so we shouldn’t become so vain about our worship as to uphold man-made organizations.

    • raelene

      What is false about the article here?

      • raelene

        Do SDA believe and proclaim that Jesus is God in the flesh?
        Do they believe and preach there is an eternal lake of fire for the lost?
        Do they believe ALL of our sins were paid for at the cross and we have already been forgiven for all of them?
        Do they believe that eternal life begins at the moment the spirit is regenerated/born again?

        • JEANIE

          In answer to your questions in order:

          #1 yes
          #2 No – they say that a loving God would not torture anyone like that They say that the length of the punishment is based on the level of wickedness and then the soul is permanently dead.
          #3 No – as the article said, only up to the time of the saving. After that, if there is even one unconfessed sin, salvation is lost.
          #4 Yes but with conditions. Eternal is not eternal if it can be lost.
          There is a LOT of cognitive dissonance if you are to believe what they say. That is one reason they rely on the proof text method for proving their beliefs.

          • raelene

            In answer to my first question above concerning who SDA believe Jesus is, they believe he is Michael the archangel. If they believe that, as Russelites also believe, they cannot believe he is God in the flesh because their belief makes Jesus a created being.

        • Steven Jones

          1.Yes
          2.No
          3.Qualified yes. They do not believe in “once saved, always saved”.
          4.Yes

        • Roy

          1.Yes

          2.Have you ever listed to a SDA pastor preach a whole sermon on hell? In fact I would listen to 3 sermons on hell from both sides. I used to believe exactly the way you believe. 3.Yes 4.Yes Peace to you sister

    • Luke Stevenson

      Ron kirkland,

      With all due respect sir, your grammar and spelling need much improvement. Take the time to do things right.

      • JEANIE

        LUKE, he did get it right! I have never before seen a non-SDA get it so right! There are many true Christians in that church, many, if not most of whom have never heard the more obscure beliefs or who choose to believe the Bible and ignore the un-biblical doctrines

    • Joseph

      Ron, is Jesus Christ your savior? Or is a careful following of SDA doctrine what you see as your redemption? If you are truly saved, you will know that He said that His church consists of those who follow Him, not those who create earthly organizations and live in exclusivity. I see the SDA as falling into the same trap as the Catholic Church, creating dogma out of careful, selective interpretation of the Word.

    • Heather

      May I remind Ron and all SDA members who are responding to this article in this current 24 hour cycle, that according to your teachings on the Sabbath, while you are “working” to type your responses, are not you yourselves breaking the commandment? What’s today, Saturday?

      • Procopius

        Not at all. You sound like Pharisees trying to convict Jesus of breaking the Sabbath.

      • Kiki

        No, Heather. This discussion is God-centered and, I suppose you could say, missionary in nature. Thus, we are keeping the day Holy as instructed in God’s 4th Commandment. We aren’t commanded to just lay around like blobs on the Sabbath Day. We’re allowed to be about God’s work. 😉

        In responding to comments here, there is no work other than God’s. Is an SDA preacher working when he gives his sermon on Saturdays? No. Even Jesus was about God’s work on the Sabbath.

    • Don

      Why would you go to ANY Church that advocates Saturday is the Sabbath? We are not Jews, and Every day is a Sabbath to those whom Jesus resides in. The bible clearly teaches that we are not under the Law but under Grace.

      • Ray

        Sabbath wasn’t given to the Jews first. It was part of creation and was hallowed. So since I am under grace can I go commit adultery?

    • Taye

      I agree with you @Ron Kirkland. This article is completely false in regards to the SDA church. It’s shocking how wrong they are. Up until this article I’ve trusted the credibiliby of the information found on this site….not anymore.

      • Aka glory

        Taye: I have never been a SDA, been everything else. I have great respect for your church. I dont know your doctrine for salvation, mine is in KJV from book of Acts, where the church started Acts2:47.
        Ben Carson is a SDA and I admire what his single mom did for her boys and I to was a single mom.
        Geoffrey and Jimmy still have a lot to learn yet about salvation. I keep wanting to leave this site, but maybe with you and I and Lpj, another Saved believer, we can help these lost souls who are not RAPTURE READY find truth and real SALVATION. I am shocked they fight over what “day” you go to church. That is not important. Jesus did not specify a single day, in fact he said “daily” they went from house to house, having CHURCH in Acts 2:47. Yes, DAILY. The Catholics got rid of the truth and spread their lies to otherdenominations. The SDA was the first group that announced the truth of the Antichrist and Poe connection like I found and have documents to prove it.
        When Jesus died on the cross, The veil in the temple ripped, signifying no more temple, no more sacrices, no more priests. They were all baptized in JESUS NAME for REMISSION OF SINS, in the local river, 3000 Jewish believers in 33 AD, all in one day, and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost with speaking in unknown tongues same day, not HEBREW, out in the grass. There was NO BUILDING, WITH A SIGN OF DENOMINATION, OUTSIDE and they managed to have “CHURCH” FOR THE JEWS RIGHT OUTSIDE IN THE STREET BY THE RIVER. Amazing what praising and repentance can do. No priest was required to repent your sins to. There was no NT written yet and they were having CHURCH AND GETTING SAVED FROM SIN. There was no book to Romans or Corinthians printed yet and they were ALL GETTJNG BAPTISED IN NAME OF JESUS CHRIST IN WATER, and for some reason the LORD OF HEAVEN WAS QUOTED IN CHAPTER TWO VERSE 47 as saying these words: AND THE LORD ADDED TO THE “CHURCH” DAILY SUCH AS SHOULD BE “SAVED”. They just repented right there in the dirt to the Holy Ghost whose NAME IS JESUS. He said in the gospels and Acts one, I will be sending the Holy Ghost in My Name. Read the Book of Acts five times people on this website and find the REAL CHURCH in the bible and lay off the SDA. You all need to be buried completely under the water in the Name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins and baptized with the Gift of the Holy Ghost today. His word never changed, you did.

      • Joseph

        Completely wrong? Shocking how wrong they are? Obviously you haven’t done the field work that produced this article. It wasn’t created to destroy the SDA, it was for people to remind themselves that we need to test the doctrines the SDA uses, and those have been proven to be in contradiction to the Word. Lots of those attending services don’t dig to the underlying message because they like their comfort zones. The SDA does not function like Jesus taught, but it sure wishes to say it does and that is where they become like their sister denomination the Jehovahs. What we need to see as “shocking” and “wrong” is this world’s continual attempts to manifest in the flesh what the spirit has given us. We can’t do it, and we shouldn’t try. This is His to do, and we come to Him in praise and thanksgiving for all our lessons. To Him be the glory.

    • Joseph

      Maybe you haven’t studied the doctrine but you go to church there. A close relative of mine told me about their expectations and covenants, which, in the end are earthly contracts that have nothing to do with salvation. It’s nice to be part of a good church community, regardless.

    • Art

      Ron, I have been an Adventist for 50 years… I’m a P.K., my brother is a minister in the SDA Church… I was sitting in two congregations in the State of Florida where a First Elder had the sermon that day, and during the sermon he proclaimed that the SDA Church is the church of the remnant, that if anyone was not a member of the SDA Church in the end times, they will be lost when the Holy Spirit leaves the earth and the fate is sealed for everyone! Sound familiar? I can’t believe the arrogance of the SDA Church to actually believe that they are the only church destined for heaven! What about those in heaven that will have stars on their crowns to show how many souls were brought to Christ? Really? Will there be favorites, will those people have upgrades in their mansions? How about 144000? That in heaven they will be at the sea of glass singing the song of Moses and the Lamb, before they join the rest of us… Does that mean that God is going to have 144000 that will be His favorites while everyone else can just be content that they actually made it? This isn’t stuff that is made up, I grew up having to listen to this garbage, and my self esteem went right down the toilet because I’m just no good at giving bible studies, or passing out pamphlets… Or having the ability to be a colporteur, or as it’s known now ” Literature Evangelist… Really? .

  • rUTH

    There are some that have fallen into the trap that you are speaking of, but Mrs. White herself proclaimed that her writings were not to replace the Bible in any way. True Adventism believes that we are saved by grace, the blood of the Lamb. No one has works good enough to ever get to Heaven. We must continue to ask forgiveness of our sins, because just because we are saved does not make us sinless. Adventists believe that the Health Message, Stop Smoking Clinics, etc. are a way to help people to live better, longer lives. If those attending want to look into the spiritual beliefs they are welcome to do so. As the other person commenting on your post, you should do some real investigation before you print such untrue articles.

    • Jimmy

      @Ruth

      “We must continue to ask forgiveness of our sins,because just because we are saved does not make us sinless”

      What if you don’t ask for forgiveness for your sins AFTER you’re “saved”? As a SDA, do you believe that a believer that ceases to ask forgiveness for their sins is STILL saved and eternally secure in Christ?

      • aka Glory

        Jimmy, until you are baptized under the water and buried in the Name of JESUS CHRIST and baptized and filled with the “GIFT” OF THE “HOLY GHOST” with the evidence and sign of speaking in unknown tongues, (THIS IS NOT THE GIFT OF TONGUES), as the CHURCH was taught bt Jesus Christ through the Apostles in the ENTIRE BOOK OF ACTS, where the COVENANT for salvation began and ended, you are NOT SAVED from sin per ACTS 2:37-47. You cannot tell anyone on this site or SDA about grace. Romans chap. Six Acts 22:19; Heb. 10:22 John the Baptist all washed and buried under the water for repentance from sin. Have you obeyed the commandments of God yet ????? Have you? Yes, we are to repent daily, but without OBEDIENCE to the word of God to the CHURCH First, you are lost and will be left behind, and cannot teach. You have to pratice what the Apostles and Jesus preached to the CHURCH for salvation.
        And no chain sawing out the parts you dont understand. All scripture is profitable for Doctrine of Salvation.

        • Righteously Dividing The Enemy
          http://www.persecution.com

          -For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, Jesus, shall be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Jesus did not come to build better assembly houses, but that an individual person is free willed to worship God in spirit and truth, at Jesus breaking every yoke that's to prevent him, crying we now take His Easy Yoke now upon ourselves.
          -This is what He's to explain to the woman of Samaria, not to fret over assigned places of supposedly worship of God, mightily deceiving the people, God is Spirit and Truth and seeth such. The Cross Of Jesus is Spirit, it's divine leader, teacher, comforter, and Temple is all Holy Spirit, the Bride is Holy Spirit. This is Jesus looking at the Holy Spirit speaking through the disciple Peter, "thou art Christ, the Son of the Living God." Thus knowing for a certainty that since His Church, has pulled off flesh and crucified it, even as Himself unto a newness of Holy Spirit, remarkably, not even the gates of hell would prevail against it.
          -PUT YE ON THE LORD JESUS, SO THAT YE NO LONGER MIND THE THINGS OF THE FLESH. Truly, everything you're talking about here, these mammoth distractors for which Jesus is left knocking at the door. They're those beggarly elements Jesus died in, under, according to, to set us free from, descending first at setting the captives free unto ascending leading captivity captive. Henceforth, there is therefore no more condemnation toward does who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, "but after the spirit," "Ye Must Be Born Again!

          …my siblings in Christ, there is only One Name, One God, One Spirit, One Baptism given under heaven whereby mankind can again be Blood and Spirit redeemed Heir to God’s throne, lest any man, religion or assembly hall could boast, Jesus Christ, AWAKE! Apb, The RAM …www.crucified2015.blogspot.com http://www.2015jesuscomeknocking.blogspot.com http://www.ceasefire2015.blogspot.com

      • matai

        If a believer ceases to ask forgiveness for his sins then he is LOST. by the way the devil is believer ok. we have to die die daily to self like Paul said.

      • Aka glory

        JIMMY, if you have not been baptized and buried under the water completely in the Name of Jesus Christ for remission of your sins and baptized and filled with the Gift of the Holy Ghost with the SIGN of speaking in unknown tongues, not HEBREW, then you yourself, are NOT SAVED FROM PAST SINS YET, if you have Not obeyed Acts 2:38, you cannot preach or teach others about SALVATION or sins until you have obeyed the Will of God as WRITTEN in the manual, yourself. The NT was not WRITTEN until 15 years after everyone was SAVED FROM PAST SINS.
        You gave chainsawed all the OT, the gospels and the book of Acts to chap. 8, completely away BECAUSE that was for the JEWS.
        You are now sitting in your chair with only the book of Acts CHAP. 8 to Revelations, skip HEBREWS, that was for Jews too. You dont understand about being grafted into the Jewish “Church” started by Jewish Jesus. We get adopted into His Church by being born again in the water and the SPIRIT.
        You need to get saved first then you will have understanding and knowledge to teach. You are gojng off sermons written 15 years after the book of Acts SALVATION plan was finished.
        The letters from Paul were given to churches started in book of Acts, to help them get back on track what was originally preached to them about SALVATION from the Book of Acts. Please let us all now when you have fulfilled the Will of God to all in Acts 2:38. Then you will need to read some more, because you will be a “babe” in the Lord. But FINALLY RAPTURE READY.
        If you do hear the voice of the LORD, ask him for yourself, go ahead, ask Him if I am speaking the Truth. Go ahead, you all, ASK HIM, IF I AM SPEAKING THE TRUTH. ASK HIM FOR YOURSELVES.
        There is NO DENOMINATION IN THE BIBLE, ONLY THE CODE TO SALVATION: in book of Acts. Chap. 1;2;4;8;10;11;19;22. Start there. Covers 25 years of history and what the Apostles taught to the Jews, Samaritans, and Gentiles, the new instructions on how to REMOVE SIN. THAT WHOLE BOOK OF ACTS ARE “ACTIONS” YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO TAKE TO GET SAVED. NOT WORKS, but Acting on your faith, that his NAME will remove sin. His blood is in the Name, he did the work. He gives you the Gift card, if you don’t redeem it, there is no value or credit applied to your debt of sin. You are staring at the Cross but not applying the sacrifice. The same message repeated six times. FYI,: Matthew was in the upper room and obeyed what Peter said to do. After you wash away your old sins, you do need to repent daily of new sins after you obeyed Acts 2:38.

    • Joseph

      rUTH I want to remind you that “better and longer lives” here on earth is making an idol of our earthly existence, and thus, tends to stress earthly “success” over eternal life. We can’t have it both ways. I’m sure we live in a world surrounded by the fallen and those who refuse to listen to Jesus, and those who refuse what He did as a propitiation for our sin. My personal experiences with SDA have been painful, but not convicting. They are simply exclusionary of “others” and hold to man-made doctrines as more important than grace. I welcome you to accept Jesus Christ as your savior, and let go of these earthly doctrines that divide us all. When you speak of “True Adventism” you are just creating a “no true Scotsman” defense–which is a tool of philosophy, not of faith.

    • wellboy

      Well this is Adventism ^_^

  • jun admana

    Why stay loyal to a church that continually makes wrong predictions of the ‘end of the world’?

    • Les

      Why believe that any organized “religion” is anything other than deception????? We are ALL created by our Creator, are we not??? Then can someone please tell me… why are we arguing over LITTLE things. All religions were Created by the powers that be… to keep us divided so that we would not be able to connect to one another. There is only ONE Creator Father and there is only ONE Christ our Father whom came to earth into the 3rd dimensional realm, in the flesh. Most of you have to advance in your understanding… religions were made by man and not our Creator Father. Faith is what we are bound by, in our faith in Christ we will be saved. Religions were created to divide and conquer the masses, but faith is meant to draw mankind together. Jesus came to earth to defeat this division in the name of religions. Come out of her my people… “her” meaning the apostate church… “religion(s)” Can you not see that??? Yes there i the Holy Trinity Father Son Holy Spirit… that is our example. We are all our Creators children, come out of her my People. Stop bickering and realize we are ALL one who believe in the trinity of the Creator Father, His Son / Creator in flesh / Holy Spirit Creator as Spirit. Greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world

      • Roy

        Might need to be organized some what to send missionaries all the world to preach the gospel as JESUS instructed. peace be with you brother.

    • Kewl

      SDAs do not “continually make wrong predictions of the end of the world”. In 1844 they made that mistake and moved on in their understanding of Scriptures. Do not say we are still making predictions like that now.

      • Aka glory

        Correct, every denomination is doing it. Youtube had everyone convinced the tetrad blood moon and feast of trumpets and 9/22 was it. Oh my. all denominations are guilty. TV EVANGELIST, books were sold by millions, it was a great money maker and many bought into it. Just obey Acts 2:38 and Be Ready….whenever it happens.

      • Phyllis Shoop

        SDA’s did not make that mistake in 1844. That was the Millerites. There wee no SDAs at that time. The Millerites were made up of people from all of the mainstream religions of the day.

        • The Millerites were a cult, the JW’s that came from them were a cult, and the SDA that came from that were a cult.

        • Roy

          Roy Phyllis is correct, Miller was a Baptist just like most of my family.

    • Aka glory

      Jun admana.: Listen to yourself, ALL THE CHURCHES HAVE DONE IT, almost every fundamentalist christian, book of acts believers, Catholics, atheists, john hagee, jon cahn, etc etc have also predicted the RAPTURE, the TRIBULATION, etc etc for years, I heard it done in Pentecostal, rachel Moses, youtube galore, baptist, jews, all said it was on the blood moon tetrad, feast of trumpets, 9/21, YOM KIPPUR, it was some other thing in 1993, ALL DENOMINATIONS, and even this website, try to predict it. It makes for a great oh my, when it never happens. He said to be READY obey Acts 2:38, stay repented and whenever it happens you will be ready.

    • Roy

      I am only aware that SDA,s were only accused of that once in 1844 but their was no SDA,s until 1863. William Miller that started the 1844 movement was a Baptist who had followers of many denominations without love we have nothing. peace to you

  • KWESI

    Hahahahahahahah… I’m not surprised such post and article and comments are written about The Seventh-Day Adventist Church. Baseless argument which are untrue. I’m also not surprised most of you speaking Ill about SDA, has no knowledge of Salvation, Repentance and the forgiveness of sins. Most people wants to do Whatever they feel and wants, and still be called a true Christian. I proudly tell you all that, The Seventh-Day Adventist Church, Is the Church that is throwing much light on what most of you have been deceived and are still blind to; which is also the work of Satan, with the Bible.

    You weren’t able to prove any of your points even with your explanations, it showed lack of wisdom in God but knowledge of the world..

    I practically follow all that NTEB sends and I strongly say most are false.

    DO Much research about The Bible, humble your hearts.

    With all the Level of Education most of you have because of the lack of the wisdom from above see the kind of things you say… Lol..

    It’s all good to know you thoughts about The Seventh-Day Adventist Church.

    • Joseph

      So Kwesi, you prove the point that the SDA hold themselves up as righteous and “better” somehow than what you deem to be “un-educated” and “non-believers”. Does this mean Jesus did NOT intercede for those who are lost sheep? Your tone here is of condescension, and my experience with SDA’s is very personal—how they teat people who they decide are not believers and followers of SDA-created doctrines. I’m sorry to ask you such questions, but if you are going to look down on people for what they see you practicing, you will always be asked to explain yourself. You will need to back it up, Biblically–not with created doctrines and selective Bible interpretations, and certainly not with the “visions” of your prophetess. The Father created ALL of us and loves ALL of us equally. Jesus offers salvation by faith, not by works—so none should boast. You sir, seem to have some boasting in your comments.

      • aka Glory

        Joseph, I am repeating this in agreement with you…about all “faiths and religions”.

        I dont see many PEOPLE on this website any different than SDA predictions of the Rapture. Everyone in the planet, including the “antichrist” is trying to predict the RAPTURE, pre- trib, mid -trib, end- trib, 9/21, blood moon tetrads, feast day of trumpets, on and on… We all have it figured out, everyone is guilty of doing it. Not just SDA or JW or Russell. Etc.

        My point is whenever “IT” does happen, WILL YOU BE READY TO GO? IS your body be “WASHED” in the WATER and your sins BURIED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST? Are you baptized and filled with the Holy Ghost with evidence of speaking in unknown tongues???.
        If anyone has NOT OBEYED ACTS 2:38; 10:43-48; 19:1-6;22:16, & 8;11;16 inclusive, YOU will be left behind!
        That is the only plan of Salvation from your sins in the Bible and the ONLY RECIPE given by the Apostles to start a “CHURCH” in the entire New TESTAMENT. The “CHURCH” OF JESUS CHRIST. KJV.

        Any doctrine for salvation from sin “OUTSIDE” the book of ACTS chap. 1 to 22; ==> is a cult. I have been in all the churches and read the encyclopedia Britannica on all DOCTRINE, including Islam and Hinduism.
        If we don’t OBEY WHAT JESUS said to DO, you are lost and still a sinner. He did the work, He paid the price, He shed His blood for our sins. It is Not our works and baptism is NOT a Work, it is a Death and burial with Christ to pride, self will, the ME, if you do it in THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.

        Meditation, talking, Kabbalah, Islamism, Hinduism, etc etc will NOT make us READY for the RAPTURE, whenever IT us going to happen.

        Reincarnation is a lie from hell. We must get “BORN AGAIN” IN THE WATER BAPTISM IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST AND BE BAPTISED WITH THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST per Jesus commandments in John 3:3-8.
        We get on our knees at the altar of repentance, lay down our sinful body in the watery grave and DIE to “our ways” and self, we resurrect OUT OF THE WATER and can be Filled with His Spirit right there with the sign and evidence of speaking in unknown tongues as the Spirit of the Living God gives the utterance. Then you have obeyed tge WILL OF GOD. if you don’t obey the Will of God, you are in rebellion which is the sin of witchcraft.
        The NT is a WRITTEN WILL, we cannot change it or delete it. GOD does NOT change, His WORD never changes. What he told the CHURCH to do in 33 AD is good for 2016.

        • Gideon

          In corithians 12:1-30, Paul speaks of the various gifts.
          Specifical asking in vs.30 do all speak with tongues.
          So I ask you why when talking of the distribution of the various gifts to God’s people does Paul ask. Have all the gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?

          If we all spoke with tongues I guess we should throw this scripture away.

          • Aka glory

            Gideon: the book of Corinthians was WRITTEN 15 years AFTER THE BOOK OF ACTS. There was No book of Acts WRITTEN on the day of Pentecost. Everyone in the upper room, every Apostle, Mother Mary, Matthew, 120 people were filled suddenly with the baptism of the Holy ghost, aka: the Gift of the Holy Ghost, Acts 2:38. It us for all today. He does NOT change. They were all Jews and spoke Hebrew as a natural language. When they came down to the steet, they were speaking in unknown tongues, not HEBREW, that is why all the nations were amazed and confounded and marvelled. One was speaking Arabian, another Ethiopian, etc. But when you are baptized and filled with the Gift of the HOLY GHOST, you always, always will speak in an Unknown tongue, as the Spirit gives the utterance. I have prayed 100’s thru to the baptism of the “Gift of the Holy Ghost” and they always spoke in an Unknown language never learned. It is a sign that they are really filled and BORN AGAIN IN THE SPIRIT. If you have Never spoken in unknown tongues before, then you are not Born Again yet. This is NOT THE “GIFT OF TONGUES”. you cannot explain a SUPERNATURAL experience with the natural mind. It wont work. You just gotta get it done and you too will see to the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 14, explains the difference between the two also. You got to get Gift of Holy Ghost first.

          • Phyllis Shoop

            Did Jesus speak in tongues?

          • Nope.

        • raelene

          Glory, what you are saying here sounds like Oneness Pentecostal.
          The book of Acts is not about doctrine. It is called the “Acts of the Apostles”. It is a historical book telling us of the things the Apostles did.
          The Body/Bride of Christ get our doctrine from the Pauline epistles/letters authored by the Holy Spirit.
          Acts 2:28 was an answer to the Jews who realized through Peter’s preaching they had crucified their Messiah and they then asked Peter what they should do about what they had done.
          They did not ask what they must do to be saved.
          Salvation is by God’s grace alone through the faith he has given us to believe in that salvation by trusting in the death, burial and bodily resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ for full payment and pardon of our sins, past present and future.
          The moment we place our trust in his finished work our spirit which was dead in trespasses and sins is made eternally alive by the regeneration of the Holy Spirit, by incorruptible seed and born again.
          We are then indwelt by and sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption.
          The Holy Spirit is the earnest, as in earnest money we give to seal our intent to purchase a home, etc.
          We become a purchased possession of the Lord. We are no longer our own.
          There is only one baptism which makes us a member of his Body and that is done at the moment of salvation.
          We can be filled and should be filled by the Holy Spirit, but that is something that can happen many times and has nothing to do with any of the sign gifts given as a sign to the Jews who require a sign.
          The filling is something WE are told to do. It isn’t an automatic action at salvation.
          The thief on the cross did not get water baptized but was with Jesus when he died.
          Adding ANYTHING to the Lord’s finished work on the cross takes away from what Christ has done and is no longer salvation by grace alone through faith alone without any of our works of righteousness which are as filthy rags in the sight of God the Father.
          Jesus did it all and when we are born again we are clothed in the righteousness of God through Christ regardless of what our unredeemed flesh/sin nature may do. Romans 7 and 8 will verify that.

          • Heather

            Amen raelene, Well said sister!

          • Bernard

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          • Aka glory

            Raelene: Sorry, but you are wrong and following pagan Catholicism. The Romans Removed the book of acts, removed Jesus Name baptism, removed burial in water, to wash away sin, removed baptism of Gift of Holy GHOST, replacing Him with transubstantiation of Greek bread and wine taught to be the actual body and blood of Christ. They replaced the ONE GOD, with a three person heretical Hindu Trimurti, they removed Jesus and replaced him with fake priests and popes. see previous posts.
            Fact: Book of ACTS SALVATION IS THE ONLY PLAN GIVEN TO JEW, SAMARITANS, AND GENTILES by Peter and Paul to start a Church. Acts 2:47 and the LORD ADDED TO THE CHURCH DAILY SUCH AS SHOULD BE SAVED. JESUS said to the Apostles in the lsst chapter of each gospel EXACTLY WHERE THE NEW COVENANT FOR REMISSION OF SIN WOULD START, AND GAVE PETER THE KEYS. Paul continued with the same message to Gentiles in Acts 19&22.
            He never changed the message. So all the GENTILE CHURCHES started in Acts. With the APOSTLES DOCTRINE OF SALVATION ACTS 2:42.
            That is the Only doctrine given for REMISSION of sins in the entire bible. If you do anything else, it is Not the APOSTLES DOCTRINE. It is therefore lie.
            JESUS CHRIST said in John 3:3-8; you must be Born Again in the water and the SPIRIT or you cannot see or enter the kingdom of God. He said it not me.
            To skip over the MOST IMPORTANT BOOK OF THE BIBLE IS NOT SMART. Yes it is history and the Word of God has Never changed, what was good for mother mary and the APOSTLES in 33 AD, is GOOD for today. HIS WORD NEVER CHANGES. NEVER. we do. By skipping ovef the WILL OF GOD, PUTS YOU IN REBELLION. His Word, every scripture is profitable for Doctrine of Salvation and instruction in righteousness.
            Remember, the letters to the already established churches from Romans to the end were just sermons, to correct the groups back to the original doctrine given in Acts.
            Without obeying the book of Acts, you have NO CORNERSTONE, NO FOUNDATION, YOU ARE ON SINKING SAND. You have to bury yourself in water in JESUS NAME for REMISSION of sins, washing them away. See ACT 22:16; Heb. 10:22; JOHN 3:3-8; Titus 3:5-7. Acts is book of ACTION.
            HEY, I OBEYED AND DID IT AND IT WORKED, JUST LIKE THE LORD SAID IT WOULD. If you hear from the ONE lord, Mary never had triplets, trinity is heresy and lie from hell, God was Never 3 persons. If you hear HIS VOICE, ask HIM YOURSELF IF YOU NEED TO OBEY ACTS 2:38. Find a pastor who will baptize correctly and be blesst when you speak in unknown tongues, I LOVE it. Did it in 1986. Yep His Word Never changes.. it is still the same for today. The same APOSTLES DOCTRINE is for all. You Are Not clothed with righteousness until you wash away your sins in Jesus Name. That sermon was WRITTEN 15 years after Acts was WRITTEN. They had already obeyed the APOSTLES DOCTRINE. You need to also. Romans six, book of Hebrews. Read it. Read Acts chap. 1-22 five times. You will see it then . Only takes 10 min. To get the Gift of the HOLY GHOST WITH SPEAKING IN UNKNOWN TONGUES when it happens if you dont need to be delivered from addictions, those people take longer cause you gotta cast out demons first. Been doing this for 29 years. You better believe I believe in One God, the devils do to and tremble, every time I cast them out. Yes.

          • Aka glory

            Raelene: Acts 2:37. What shall we do? ACTS 2:38 and Peter said, repent and baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins and you will ye shall receive the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST.
            Acts 2:47. And the Lord added to the CHURCH DAILY SUCH AS SHOULD BE SAVED. Same thing in Acts 8 to Samaritans, Acts 10-22 to Gentiles.
            If you have not obeyed the Will of God, his STATUTE and commandments for SALVATION from sin, then you are not born again and cannot See yet what He is saying. You lack understanding. Ask the LORD YOURSELF IF you should obey Acts 2:38. HE IS ALIVE AND WILL GIVE YOU THE RIGHT ANSWER. HE WILL. I know what He is going to Say. I obeyed.
            All the letters from Paul to the churches started in acts on the chief cornerstone, were WRITTEN 15 years after book of ACTS.

          • raelene

            2 Timothy 1:12
            For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

            Galatians 1:6-9
            6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

            There is not one mention of baptism not speaking in tongues. The Bible is not wrong.

            Romans 1:16
            For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
            Romans 2:16
            in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
            Romans 16:25
            Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
            1 Corinthians 15:1-4
            Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
            15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
            John 1:12
            But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
            Acts 16:31
            And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
            1 Timothy 1:16
            Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
            1 John 5:13
            These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
            Romans 10:9-10
            9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
            Ephesians 2:8-9
            8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 not of works, lest any man should boast.

    • aka Glory

      The SDA were the first to see that the Antichrist was the pope and Catholics. They also found the black horse the false prophet of Jesuit superior general Adolfo Nicolas. I have proof from 1980 documents to back SDA findings. Yes they attend church on the Sabbath which follows the 10 commandments, so what. We follow the Roman Catholics calendar and go on SUN day. But we DON’T WORSHIP the SUN goddess as the Catholics do. At least SDA are going to church. Ben Carson is SDA. He is a wonderful Christian man.
      Some churches have services Saturday nite. When the Endtimes come to USA here shortly, we will all be in church 7 days a week praying in REVIVAL to save us all from destruction. 9/11/01 we were all in church tues nite across the USA. We wont care what affiliation we belong too, we will all be repenting, getting water baptised and speaking in lots of unknown tongues. 24/7. You watch, and see. It is coming here shortly.

      The SDA know a lot more about the Endtimes that most can understand. There is a lot of “SCRIPTURE SKIPPING, CHAIN-SAWING” of the Word of God, by people and pastors on this website who are afraid to get their head and feet wet in baptism in JESUS NAME and getting the GIFT of the HOLY GHOST with evidence of speaking in unknown tongues. All biblical and scripture based to start a CHURCH. Then and only then are SAVED BY GRACE. in the book of Acts to both Jew and Gentile, the CHURCH, as the Lord called it. We are neither Jew nor Gentile, nor Baptist nor Methodist nor Jew, nor SDA, etc.
      We are supposed to be the CHURCH of the bible. The WHOLE BIBLE AFTER THE DEATH ON THE CROSS, where the NEW PLAN, the New and better COVENANT for sin begins. That is the ORIGINAL RECIPE created by Jesus Christ given to Peter to “cook and serve to the people” to make a CHURCH= Acts chap. 2:1-47 easy steps to follow.
      We got too.too many COOKS in the kitchen trying to change the recipe and doing it their “OWN WAY” leaving out basic “ingredients”, Acts 2:1-5, 21,37-47. It is so easy if you stick to what Lord told us to do to MAKE A “CHURCH”….HIS WAY. and not “our way”.
      That is why many “lack wisdom” as the person said. You have skipped abd deleting scriptures, words, and the APOSTLES DOCTRINE of Acts chap. 2, same as 10 & 19. Without the baptism of the Holy Ghost you will have no understanding to the book of ACTS. When I FINALLY was delivered from the Baptist and Catholic trinity and New Age mysticism, and finally listened to and obeyed Peter and Paul, it all fell into place and the confusion LEFT.

      If we STICK TO THE APOSTLES DOCTRINE IN BOOK OF ACTS CHAP. 2=19 either one, same message, we would not be arguing, judging, and speaking against each other. Not divided.
      GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION NOR DIVISIONS OR STRIFE, IF YOU FOLLOW WHAT IS WRITTEN AND OBEY IT AS COMMANDED it brings UNITY THRU ALL HIS WORD.
      The books that follow Acts are WRITTEN 15 years after all the CHURCHES were formed and those are just “sermons” to keep people back to the original plan of repentance and salvation delivered to the CHURCHES in Acts to all Jews and Gentiles. They are NOT given for instructions with salvation. They are given AFTER you obeyed the APOSTLES DOCTRINE IN BOOK OF ACTS.

      • You say “SDA were the first to see that the Antichrist was the pope and Catholics”. Are you kidding me? What do you think the entire Protestant Reformation was fought over? Revelation 17 and 18 tell you that. Ellen White was a LIAR who stole most of her work from other people like Joseph Smith and William Miller. SDA’s do not believe in the Rapture of the Church, in Eternal Security, or any other of the main Bible doctrines.

        • Kiki

          You are correct, Geoffrey and AKA Glory’s comment about the SDA Church being the first to see that the Papacy is the antichrist is not representative of SDA beliefs. As with all faiths, sometimes things are mistakenly represented.

        • Aka glory

          On youtube, internet, is what meant to say. They showed the correlation of the Pope as the Antichrist, lots of videos. They pulled it together on youtube. Most Christians think it will be Muslim, which is insane. The Catholics in history have always supported the Ottoman Empire acked by the Jesuits to purify the world of Jews. If the SDA doesn’t believe in the RAPTURE they why is everyone yelling at them for predictions.
          Your “believism” doctrine and no belief in Water baptism for SALVATION is about as false as what you are knocking.
          You and Jimmy chainsaw out the Book of Acts WRITTEN 15 years before the sermons, letters to churches who walked away from the book of Acts, Apostles DOCTRINE for SALVATION. Someday I hope you will talk to Lord Jesus Christ and ask Him what He thinks about the Boom of Acts, since in ACTS 2:47 the Lord added Daily to the CHURCH SUCH AS SHOULD BE SAVED. HIS WORD NEVER CHANGES. YOU DO.

      • raelene

        The Pope is more likely the False Prophet, not the Antichrist. There will be 2 Beasts as Revelation tells us. One will be a religious leader who will point the people to the Antichrist as the Messiah.
        At the beginning of the reign of the A/C the Jews will believe he is their Messiah until he betrays them midway through the time of Jacob’s trouble.

        • Yes, you right. Sister raelene.

      • raelene

        akaGlory, you said this:
        “Raelene: Sorry, but you are wrong and following pagan Catholicism. The Romans Removed the book of acts, removed Jesus Name baptism, removed burial in water, to wash away sin, removed baptism of Gift of Holy GHOST, replacing Him with transubstantiation of Greek bread and wine taught to be the actual body and blood of Christ. They replaced the ONE GOD, with a three person heretical Hindu Trimurti, they removed Jesus and replaced him with fake priests and popes. see previous posts.”
        My KJV still has the book of Acts. And I have never followed Romanism. I follow only the plainly written words of God.
        The baptism into the Body of Christ happens at the moment one is saved and born again. The soul is saved and the spirit is born again. We are all born of the water when born physically and born of the blood when the Holy Spirit regenerates our dead spirit.
        Jesus Christ himself made the Church. We don’t make it.
        Baptism saves nobody. That is a Roman Catholic doctrine.

  • KWESI

    Hahahahahahahah….

    • Aka glory

      Kwesi…I love it….they need to talk to the Lord, then they will see it.

  • Larry / vietnamvet1971

    Jesus according to the OT where it talks about how He Qualified to become the “Kinsmen Redeemer” one qualification was to deliver / save us from SIN (Slavery of SIN)we are set Free and we are not Dominated by sin nor does sin have dominance over us. The Blood of Jesus washed away ALL sin past,present,future.

  • Tony

    Isn’t Ben Carson a SDA member?

    • Matt R.

      He is.

  • KWESI

    Interesting…..

  • KWESI

    I think Most Of You Need to Revise the Bible. This time round not upside Down. But upright..

    Raed 1st John 1:5-10

    5.This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

    [6] If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

    [7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

    [8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

    [9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    [10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

  • ROSSANO WAGNER

    “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
    Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work;
    but the seventh day is a sabbath unto Jehovah thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
    for in six days Jehovah made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore Jehovah blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”
    Exodus 20:8-11

    P.S.: I’m not adventist.

    • Joseph

      But does this mean we have to argue which day it is and condemn those who “get it wrong”? Jesus was admonished by the Pharisees for doing work with his hands on the Sabbath. Instead of seeing the healing power of God, the “authorities” condemned Him.

    • Then how do you explain the apostles having church on a Sunday then?

      “And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.” Acts 20:7 (KJV)

      • aka Glory

        Geoffrey, The FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, IS ALWAYS A MONDAY ON THE JEWISH CALENDAR. He was talking about MONDAY in the bible.
        SUNDAY IS THE LAST DAY OF THE WEEK. THE DAY ALWAYS BEGINS AT SUNDOWN. ROSH HASHANAH GOES FOR TWO DAYS TO MAKE UP FOR GLOBAL TIME ZONES. GOOD GRIEF.
        only the Roman calendar starts on SUN day, The bible is NOT BASED ON A ROMAN CALENDAR, the bible is JEWISH.

        • No, Sunday is the last day of our modern American week. In the Bible, Sunday was the BEGINNING of the week.

        • GRAEME ELLINGSEN

          That statement is so false…the first day of the week is the resurrection day…the Lords day as we know it sunday.

      • Bart

        As far as we know, Jesus himself never created or told us to follow this “man-made” tradition. Anyone who does follow it, is their own businesses. What they should understand though, is that they need to keep the commandments, especially the one that commands us to remember the sabbath day and keep it holy as the apostles continued to do so. Such basics and yet so hard to people to understand. If something is confusing, then it’s wrong. I was confused completely with Catholicism. They made Sunday appear as if it’s the Sabbath and even told me that not going to church on that day is a sin.

      • Aka glory

        Geoffrey the Apostles had church daily.. Acts 2:47. And the LORD ADDED TO THE CHURCH DAILY SUCH AS SHOULD BE SAVED.

    • Jimmy

      @Ross

      Could you please provide me chapter and verse where ANYONE (Adam, Eve, Seth,Noah, Cain, Abel, etc) observed the sabbath BEFORE God gave command the Jewish nation of Israel (his people), to observe it as a sign between him and them? (Exodus 31:13-15 KJV)

      • Roy

        Jimmy you are saying b4 Moses brought the commandments off the mountain right?

    • Don

      That was a covenant with Israel…….Not Christians.

  • Julie

    IT IS WRITTEN….GOD HATH SPOKEN UNTO US IN THESE LAST DAYS THROUGH HIS SON.(Hebrews 1:1.2 )
    = THIS IS THE LAST DAY PROPHET…AND NOT E.G. WHITE.

    IT IS WRITTEN…THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS IS THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY.(REVELATION 19 : 10 )

    SURELY …THE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST FOLLOWERS ARE DECEIVED …BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN E.G.WHITE AND HER TESTIMONY.

    May the followers of e.g. white be blessed to understand this very important written truth.!!!!!!!!!!

    • Matt R.

      Sorry, but I’m going to follow Jesus, not a false prophetess/plagiarist.

  • Tusitala

    It seems that when we stray from Jesus, the inerrant Word, we wander into such error and endanger our immortal souls. Let me have the King James Bible, and, dear Holy Spirit, please guide me into the Truth.

  • Joseph

    In my community, I see SDA as a “works” church. I don’t see them giving to the poor without judgement. They seem to admire the parts of scripture that support “prosperity” in this earthly life, and condemn in their silence, those who don’t achieve. I’m not sure what the point is of admiring this Ellen White. I see SDA as living among other people–whom the Father loves–ALL of us, while they keep their own private exclusivity on the down-low.

  • Shane

    All I know about the SDA church is that I was invited to one of their services a few years ago and I was horrified to hear the pastor talk in glowing terms about Islam and he was all proud of himself and the church because an Imam had told him that SDA was the closest thing to Islam. That was all I needed to hear to get the hell out of there and never go back!

  • “Their prophetess, Ellen G. White, whom they revere and believe without question has told them that “…Satan has taken full possession of the Churches”.”

    Not to defend SDA, but Ellen G. White was right with this point: Satan has taken full possession of the Churches.

    The Devil has entered into the church:

    http://www.marcfalcone.com/index_files/Devilinthechurch.htm

    • She stole that idea from Joseph Smith who said the same thing. She plagiarized like crazy, but never from anyone but other failed cult leaders.

      • Matt R.

        She also said everyone should be a vegetarian, which is nonsense.

    • Kiki

      @ Mark

      Revere Mrs. White? No. Not anymore than we revere John the Baptist, which we don’t. We place God above anybody or anything. Believe without question? No. Mrs. White, herself, even said that the Bible should be the ultimate authority and to question everything.

  • Everything that follows the phrase “we hold Ellen G. White’s writings to be equal with the Bible” is 100% wrong.

    • Roy

      If a SDA wrote that in a magazine they goofed up. E. White didn,t believe her writing was equal to the Bible. She said her writing should be tested by scripture. I have never heard of a SDA that beleaves that.

  • gary

    The true sabbath is not the first day of the week but the seventh day of the week.Read your bible.The lord clearly said the seventh day is the sabbath. It was chanced by man which had NO authority to change it!!!

    • Jimmy

      @Gary

      Since “no man hath any authority to change it”

      Do you also KILL those who transgress the sabbath as God commands too?
      Exodus 31:13-15 KJV

      • Heather

        Excellent question brother Jimmy!

      • gary

        No Jimmy. You are just being silly with that question.Jesus said himself that he came to fullfill the law NOT to abolish it.Matt 5;17. I also do not agree with many of the sda teaching but do have to say what is true according to gods word. The seventh day of the week is the sabbath declared by god himself and no authority was ever given to man to change it to the first day.May god bless you Jimmy and enlighten you with his word.Amen.

      • Kiki

        @Jimmy…

        Exodus 31:15 is a finger pointing at Revelation 19:20

        “And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

        God casts into the lake of fire those who take the Mark of the Beast. Not any man.

        • ROSSANO WAGNER

          ALL man not found written in the Book of Life WILL be cast into the lake of fire:

          14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
          (REVELATION 20)

          Those who worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark on his forehead or on his hand shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb, and the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night:

          9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

          12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those[g] who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
          (REVELATION 14)

  • Brian

    Thankyou “now the end begins” for being truthful and discerning. People need to know the truth. SDA is not part of the church, they teach false doctrine. You cannot earn salvation that is blasphemy and puts the cross useless.
    “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
    ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

    • Phyllis Shoop

      SDA do NOT teach you have to earn salvation. That is a downright falsehood.

  • Sola Scriptura

    Excellent resource to those of us who do street ministry! Orlando is full of SDA members due to the huge presence of the Florida Hospital system. They are, sadly, very big in minority communities.
    One of the churches most obvious errors (as you noted) is its reverence for Ms. White despite many obvious false prophecies. At one point she said an angel told her that women needed to wear long pants under their dresses…a few months later she simply stopped since it was uncomfortable. So much for the Angel. Deuteronomy 18:20-22 days that if you give even ONE false prophecy then you are a false prophet. She gave many and then covered them up.
    There is much documentation of all of her lies and the Freemason connection. Satan moved mightily against the church in the 1800’s with evolution and all of these cults…yet Jesus reigns supreme. Therefore, we must preach him boldly:

    http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2016/01/01/preach-the-word-boldly-and-do-not-be-ashamed-of-jesus-christ/

  • Lin

    Praise God. Another article exposing lies and deceptions of Satan, but very little TRUTH. Oh how deceptive are the works of darkness.

    I am thankful you have the KJV, however I wish you’d teach from it and NOT from the world. Most every religion has some things wrong, many have many. Yet, Truth is still available for those who seek it.

    Why not do a teaching/study on the length of Jesus Christ ministry here on earth??? Surly it was NOT three years, nor three and a half!!! Does any one know, does any one care??? Is this a salvation issue? ARE YOU SURE??

    The devil is a liar and deceives the whole world, just as he has deceived us into the global lies and the baal earth.

    Happy seeking Truth, if you dare.

  • Brian

    I know people who are in this cult and they think it is normal to believe this way. SDA IS COMPLETELY UNBIBLICAL-
    I just have one question-
    When we are face to face with Jesus do you think He will ask you how did you keep your salvation….or how much did you rely on Him and His strength and lead others to Him by His Spirt.

    • If YOU are keeping yourself saved, you are already lost! No where in Paul’s writings does it tells us to “endure to the end” or to “keep ourselves saved”. It says the opposite:

      “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.” Titus 3:5-7 (KJV)

      And kept saved by the SEALING of the Holy Spirit:

      “That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:12-14 (KJV)

      In our dispensation, the Church Age, it is all Jesus, and our works count not one bit as far as salvation goes. Our works will be judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ, but our salvation is never in question no matter how good or bad out works are.

      • BRian

        I cannot save myself- only by My Savior Jesus do I have redemption. To teach otherwise is dangerous

        • Suzy

          Keeping yourself save, doesn’t literally means that you are the one saving yourself. It means, you also have a part to play.

          The Lord Jesus Christ has also played His role in dying for us. His Salvation is available already BUT you have to make that step of accepting Him to get saved because you are not born saved. Also, if you do’nt endure, abiding in Him till the end, you will not be saved for eternal life. Of course all, is by His grace, but that doesnot mean you will do nothing just because you have faith in Him. Faith without works is dead.

          Salvation is by choice, its not by force. God has done His part, and He is always faithful, an unchangeable Changer but what about you, are you also doing what you have to do to be worhty of Him on the last day?

      • Heather

        Colossians 2King James Version (KJV)

        2 For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, and for them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh;

        2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;

        3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

        4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.

        5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

        6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

        7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

        8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

        9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

        10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

        11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

        12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

        13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

        14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

        15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

        16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

        17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

        18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

        19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

        20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

        21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;

        22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

        23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

  • SDA’s need to read Hebrews 7-10. The law made nothing perfect but was merely a shadow of things to come. Christ took our sins ONCE(ahem…catholics) and then sat down at the right hand of God the Father. Our righteousness is but filthy rags before God, says Isaiah. Sitting in a pew Saturday mornings means nothing to our salvation. Our God tests our hearts and our hearts alone. The SDA’s reinstitute the law, but more subtley. The law was…nailed to the cross (Colossians 2:14) with all of it’s carnal commandments. SDA’s – know ALL of the Bible and remember this in Romans 3:

    20 Therefore BY THE DEEDS OF THE LAW there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
    21 But now the righteousness of God WITHOUT THE LAW is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
    22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
    23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
    24 Being justified FREELY by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

    Believe Paul, Jesus Christ…or Ellen G White. Sitting in church on Saturday is law…and the law my friends…is gone.

    • Kiki

      “Sitting in a pew” is a crass representation of the Sabbath, friend.

      And the SDA Church doesn’t for one second believe that we are justified by works. Where do you people get these things?!

      Jesus made it VERY clear that if we love Him that we’ll keep His commandments (John 14:15). And yes, they are HIS commandments. Whose finger do you think wrote them? By Him ALL things were and are created, INCLUDING the Ten Commandments!

      We aren’t to keep God’s law for the purpose of justification. We are saved by grace! We are, however to keep His commandments because we love Him and because we will be judged ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS.

      “And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.” Revelation 20:13 KJV

      Y’all are so busy condemning your brethren that you refuse to see the elephant in the room.

      Stop saying that SDAs think that they are justified by works! WE KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT! We are saved by grace. We are saved by accepting Jesus as our Lord and Savior. We are saved by faith and faith alone. Do you understand? Do you get it? Am I clear? Is there any confusion?

      • raelene

        I’m sorry to have to tell you this, but you have taken this out of context, ““And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.” Revelation 20:13 KJV”
        That verse is speaking of the lost who are judged at the Great White Throne judgement. Those who are saved were judged at the cross of Calvary when Jesus took the penalty for us. We will be at the Great White Throne judgement judging the angels.

        And the commandments given us by the Lord are stated here:
        I John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

        • Aka glory

          Raelene: do you follow what you preach? I can tell YOU have not really read the book of Acts, you belong to that elite “skipping” over scripture crowd. As you said”
          And the commandments given us by the Lord are stated here:
          I John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.”

          So lets see what Peter “commanded” the Gentiles to do: ACTS 10:43-48. Acts 22:16, now I have already quoted it a dozen + times, you get to do YOUR homework and look it up. Yes, crack open your bible and really study what those apostles commanded us to do. Read it. Highlite every word in the book of Acts with bright yellow when it says “Saved”. Start at chapter One to chap. 22:16. And pray and ask Jesus for YOURSELF if you are supposed to do this too? ASK HIM? Go ahead, stop listening to people and Ask the Living SPIRIT of God if you should obey the commandments in Acts 2:1-47. I already know what He is going to tell you. Ask Him . It only takes 10 minutes after you repent and you too will lose your natural language. It is so awesome.
          Jesus said we must be born again in the water and SPIRIT which equals and is fulfilled in book of Acts2;4;8;10;11;16;19;22. You will speak in unknown tongues when it happens. Been praying people thru to that awesome upper room Pentecostal experience since 1986, you really need that too. Or YOU are not saved.Paul commanded us to be washed in Jesus Name 22:16.
          You jump over the DOCTRINE OF SALVATION IN CHAP TWO. You have zero understanding about SALVATION. You cannot quote from letters to established SAVED CHURCHES from the book of Acts that used the DOCTRINE of Salvation from Acts chap.2. and the LORD ADDED TO THE CHURCH DAILY SUCH AS SHOULD BE SAVED. Those letters were written to churches who OBEYED THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD for SALVATION in the book of Acts. You need to read the book if ACTS FIVE TIMES CHAP. 1-22, first. Do HOMEWORK. Then after YOU OBEYED THE COMMANDMENTS, come back and let me know how long you SPOKE in unknown tongues. Everyone will do that when they get saved, the Lord said so. The letters to the churches after Acts were 15 years later. Those described other GIFTS that you get later after you are saved. 29 years experience. I can testify cause I obeyed the word.
          Faith is dead without works….He did the work, HE took away your sin, now you are ONLY REDEEMED WHEN YOU REPENT, DIE, AND GET BURIED UNDER WATER IN JESUS NAME AND GET BAPTISED WITH THE HOLY GHOST WITH SPEAKING IN UNKNOWN TONGUES. AMEN.
          If you don’t obey Acts chap two, you are just staring at an empty cross and saying thanks, but DON’T touch me. Literally.
          Paul said in 19, since you believe in Jesus Now RECEIVE. You haven’t RECEIVED THE WORK HE DIED FOR. You are Not Redeemed by the Redeemer.

          • raelene

            I have no doubt I’m saved, dear. I was saved in 1960 and have been spoken to by the indwelling Holy Spirit many, many times. I have seen many miracles in my life and in the lives of others I have prayed for.
            The Holy Spirit witnesses to my spirit that I am a child of God and I am fully persuaded and living in his blessed assurance.
            I have been a student of the word of God for most of my life and the Lord has illuminated many deep truths to me.
            I don’t follow the teaching of men or women. My responsibility is to follow the teaching of the Lord. The deep things in the word can only be discerned by the indwelling Spirit of God.
            You’ve had much to say, but very little to back it up.
            The Lord has been changing me from within throughout my life since I was born again. You cannot be a judge of whether I am born again. Only my Heavenly Father can judge that.
            The Bible does say that faith without works, but it DOES NOT say that God’s grace is dead without works and we are saved BY grace through a heart belief in the finished work of the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus and his full payment for ALL of our sins.
            The Lord did all the work and purchased us and we are no longer our own and can not be un-born again any more than we can be un-born in the physical.
            I trust the Lord fully to keep me since he paid for me.
            There is NO doctirne of salvation in Acts 2. You do err.

        • aka Glory

          Jan. 10.2016 GOOD MORNING RAELENE ET ALL… You can sit and stare at the Cross the rest of LIFE and say I believe, I have faith, I have mercy, I have grace, I have been saved, but until you SAY TO HIM, “TOUCH ME, FILL ME, BAPTIZE ME”….you will never know the SON OF LIVING SPIRIT OF GOD for yourself. Then ALL OF you will speak in UNKNOWN TONGUES as a supernatural sign, your heart RECEIVES the Gift of the Holy Ghost, the BLOOD OF ETERNAL LIFE, FLOWING THROUGH YOUR SPIRIT. I guarantee it. I did it in 1986, and it is for ALL BELIEVERS in JESUS CHRIST, to all..ACTS 2:37-39. Now bury those sins of the past in that watery grave as He commanded us to do in the Name of Jesus Christ as there is NONE OTHER NAME that has the POWER or the BLOOD PAID in death, that can remove sin. Unless you turn yourself into to be REDEEMED AT THE CROSS, You have no redemption, no forgiveness for your sin, no grace, you don’t have him. If you have not spoken in UNKNOWN TONGUES, you are NOT SAVED….
          ASK THE LORD IF YOU NEED TO OBEY BOOK OF ACTS CHAP. ONE-TWO…ASK HIM, IF YOU HEAR FROM HIM….ASK HIM be specific, ask Him if I am speaking the truth…..Raelene, you missed all the scriptures from last month….i have plenty to back it up and the PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND TESTIMONY OF OBEYING AND DOING AND RECEIVING HIS SPIRIT.

          NOTE*** The Book of Acts is instruction on ‘HOW TO’ receive the SUPERNATURAL POWER OF GOD and eternal life in Heaven, redemption began 50 days after the death on the Cross, [NOT 40 YEARS LATER IN THE SERMON LETTER TO BOOK OF ROMANS]. Acts chap. Two, the Apostolic DOCTRINE/ plan is for ALL BELIEVERS, Jew or Gentiles, we are neither Jew nor Gentile when we accept HIM AS OUR SAVIOUR. Until you repent and walk away from the NATURAL MIND and world of tradition and teachings, and until you turn to the CROSS and FOLLOW HIM, you cannot explain the Book of Acts or NEW TESTAMENT SALVATION, in the natural. It is a SUPERNATURAL EXPERIENCE, and you WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THE POWER OF GOD until you obey ACTS 2:1-47 all of it. Chapter TWO takes you into the SUPERNATURAL PROMISE of Grace and Salvation and into the Kingdom of God and only then are you a BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN. John 3:3-8; Titus 3:5-7; Romans 6 and the book of Hebrews. Anyone trying to explain or remove the Book of Acts without obeying the commandments and being Born Again in the water and Spirit of Acts 2:1-47; 10:43-48; 19:1-6;22:16, etc and more….is NOT SAVED. You cannot explain something YOU DON’T HAVE. You cannot explain an EXPERIENCE until YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED IT. It will not work. I experienced both the BORN AGAIN EXPERIENCE IN THE WATER IN JESUS NAME AND THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST POWER with the speaking in UNKNOWN TONGUES in 10 min. when I finally obeyed Acts 2:1-38, etc. It works for TODAY, GOD IS NOT DEAD and neither is HIS WORD too old for today. You all need to GET THIS TODAY!!!! IT IS FOR ALL OF YOU. YOU ASK THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IF I AM TELLING YOU THE TRUTH, HE WILL ANSWER YOU……I KNOW. See http://www.cfcky.com Sun. 11AM and 6PM EST if you have never witnessed the ‘POWER’ of the LIVING HOLY GHOST. It runs for 72 hours through Wed. PM after each church service. See the Book of ACTS alive and powerful still today.

        • aka Glory

          DOCTRINE IS RIGHT THERE IN THE BOOK OF ACTS CHAPTER TWO…..KJV, WHAT VERSION ARE YOU USING, THIS WEBSITE ONLY USES THE KJV…..
          READ IT….THERE IT IS …..BLACK AND WHITE….PRINTED TO READ…. 2:38=2:42 PETER WAS TOLD BY JESUS TO PREACH THE FIRST SERMON, THE KEYS TO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN WERE GIVEN TO PETER FIRST….THEN LATER TO PAUL, SAME APOSTLES DOCTRINE USED OVER AND OVER SIX TIMES IN THE BOOK OF ACTS….DID NOT CHANGE FOR TODAY…READ IT.
          IT IS A CREED, A STATUTE, A COMMANDMENT WE ARE ALL SUPPOSED TO OBEY…SAME IN ACTS 19:1-6;22:16, ETC

          Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
          Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
          Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
          Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
          Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
          Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
          Act 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
          Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
          Act 2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
          Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
          Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

          • raelene

            I urge you to study the book of Romans, especial chapter 4 which explains how we are justified by faith alone.
            You are adding to the finished work of Christ on the cross.

            Romans 4
            Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
            1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 and the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, 17 (as it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. 18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations; according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara’s womb: 20 he staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21 and being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 but for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

          • raelene

            You are building a doctrine while leaving out the foundation of what Acts 2 is about.
            Peter first told those Jews in attendance:
            “21 and it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
            After he preached to them Jesus their Messiah they were pricked in their hearts at the realization they had crucified their Messiah. They then asked what they should do about it. They did NOT ask what they must do to be saved. Peter has already told them that.
            When they asked what they must do about crucifying their Messiah Peter replied with:
            ” 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
            There are no scriptures in Paul’s epistles which say we must repent and be baptized (works) to be saved.
            Paul was called of God to take the gospel to the Gentiles.

        • aka Glory

          Jan. 10.2016 TO RAELENE ET ALL: Part ONE continued… 1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are ONE. The ENTIRE Holy Bible is given to us from the Prophets and Apostles as a HISTORICAL depiction of the Works, the LAW and SALVATION from sin given to all mankind from a LIVING GOD, covering the Past, Present and Future of A LIVING GOD. HIS WORD HAS NEVER CHANGED, NEVER HAS AN EXPIRATION DATE, IT WILL NOT DIE. IT IS A ‘LIVING WORD’ FOR YESTERDAY, TODAY AND FOREVER. The ENTIRE WORKS, all 66 books, are HISTORY, not just ONE BOOK is historical fact to marvel at and not obey. The bible is divided into: #1. God as the FATHER IN CREATION AND HIS WORD USED TO CREATE, = OLD TESTAMENT, given by the Prophets: THE FIRST COVENANT SALVATION PLAN TO REMOVE SIN, by the blood shed from animal sacrifice. #2. God as the SON, God’s WORD BECAME FLESH, =the FOUR GOSPELS of teachings of God. Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. JESUS is THE NEW AND LAST COVENANT SALVATION PLAN, THE LAST SACRIFICE TO REMOVE SIN, by the Blood shed from Jesus Christ. The TESTATOR of a new and better covenant. Read Book of Hebrews. He never walked away from us, WE walked away from HIS WORD.

        • aka Glory

          Jan. 10.2016 Part TWO continued…#3. God as RESURRECTION POWER, to JEWS, SAMARITANS and GENTILES; given ONLY to believers in Jesus Christ: =THE BOOK OF ACTS, covers 25 years where ALL THE “CHURCHES” begin using the APOSTOLIC DOCTRINE for the NEW PLAN AND COVENANT OF SALVATION FROM SIN, given to them BY JESUS, given to PETER FIRST. Jesus returned on the DAY OF PENTECOST as the WORD FULFILLED BECAME RESURRECTION POWER (the HOLY GHOST FIRE) AND THE PROMISE TO SAVE ALL BELIEVERS IF YOU RECEIVE HIS POWER, the ‘GIFT of the HOLY GHOST’ and wash away your sins buried under the water YOU JOIN with him in death at the Cross by getting baptized only in the ‘NAME OF JESUS CHRIST’. We cannot change or delete what was written to the churches. Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. V.11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. V.12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be SAVED. Remember Matthew went down to Jerusalem with ALL THE APOSTLES, sat in the Upper Room and was baptized with the HOLY GHOST POWER and washed his sins away in the ONLY NAME that can remove sin, as Peter told him to do in v. 38. Jesus told Matthew in 28:18-19, the POWER is in the NAME. Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. Joh 1:12 But as many as RECEIVED HIM, to them gave he POWER to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 3:3-8. Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: ==Acts 2:37-47; Acts 10:43-48; etc. It is bound and sealed…. You cannot delete it.

        • aka Glory

          Jan. 10.2016 Part THREE continued….. #4. GOD as the ‘HEAD’ of the CHURCHES, who are the Bride of Christ, (15 years later), =Book of Romans to Jude: To ALL “THE CHURCHES” WHO HAD ALREADY OBEYED THE BOOK OF ACTS, BUILT ON the foundation CORNERSTONE OF JESUS NAME IN ACTS 2:1-47; BURIED AND RISEN JESUS CHRIST; WATER AND BLOOD; : 4;8;10;11;16;19;22:16…= BORN AGAIN John 3:3-8; Titus 3:5-7
          These books are written in PAST TENSE, DONE, FINISHED, after the ACTION OF THE APOSTLES WERE COMPLETED.
          Col 2:6 As ye have therefore RECEIVED Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Paul wrote these letters/ sermons to build up the faith, correction and instruction for righteousness and to STICK WITH WHAT THE APOSTLES CREED AND ONE DOCTRINE FOR SALVATION FROM SIN that was given to them in the Book of Acts. Notice in LINE 2:6, past tense, they HAD ALREADY ‘RECEIVED’ INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS from the Book of Acts teachings that Peter and Paul had given them 15 ++years earlier. #5. God to be Revealed to ALL The book of the END TIMES: Revelations.

        • aka Glory

          Jan. 10.2016 Part FOUR, continued…EVERY WORD IS TO BE USED TODAY STILL: TO REMOVE THE BOOK OF ACTS AND NOT OBEY THE BOOK OF ACTS IS TO DENY THE DEATH AND THE BLOOD ON THE CROSS….IS TO DENY HIM AND THE POWER HE HAS FOR YOU TO RECEIVE AND REDEEM: HE DID THAT FOR YOU TO SAVE YOUR SOUL FROM HELL, DEATH AND THE GRAVE. THE APOSTLES GAVE US THAT DOCTRINE TO FOLLOW IN PRINT OVER SIX TIMES, FOR SALVATION TO FREE US FROM OUR SINFUL PAST, WHY SHOULD I FOLLOW YOU, WHO CHOOSE TO SKIP AND LEAP OVER THE COMMANDMENTS to us ???
          Deu. 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live. Mat. 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Pro. 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 2Tim. 3:16 ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. 2Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that NO PROPHECY OF THE SCRIPTURE IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION. 2Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST. Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were WRITTEN FOR OUR LEARNING, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Hebrews 4:12 For the WORD OF GOD IS QUICK, AND POWERFUL, AND SHARPER than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
          Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

        • aka Glory

          Jan. 10.2016 Part FIVE, continued….THE PROMISE… be given to them that believe Act 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given COMMANDMENTS unto the apostles whom he had chosen: v.3 “things” pertaining to the kingdom of God: v.4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for THE “PROMISE” of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. V.5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. v.8 But ye shall RECEIVE POWER, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. John 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst. Rom. 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that MY NAME might be declared throughout all the earth. Gal. 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. Gal. 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the PROMISE by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. (WHERE WAS THE ‘PROMISE’ OF POWER GIVEN TO BELIEVERS IN JESUS CHRIST? , GO TO ACTS CHAP. TWO, EIGHT, TEN, ELEVEN, SIXTEEN, NINETEEN, TWENTY TWO, READ ALL OF IT)…..You have to do your own searching. Don’t miss it. Right there it is. 2Ti. 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
          Act 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. Act 2:44 And all that believed were together…Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, …Act 2:47 Praising God, …. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

        • aka Glory

          Jan. 10.2016 Part SIX continued… 1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 1Jn 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
          1Jn 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 1Jn 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: 1Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
          1Jn 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
          1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the NAME of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the NAME of the Son of God. [You WILL speak in Unknown tongues when you receive Jesus Christ as your savior and redeemer, He is alive and His Spirit will make you do it Acts 2:1-47; 19:1-6; etc. ] I HAVE THE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF THIS ACTION BY GOD…..I DID IT….IT HAPPENS TODAY

    • Mike

      “If you Love Me! Keep My. Commandments” Christs’ own words! Do uou love Him?

  • aka Glory

    Oh my, everyone really needs to take a break and go get Acts chap. Two accomplished and completed for 2016. Start the year rightly.
    Then when are clean and buried and WASHED in the water in Jesus Name and filled with the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST ( this is NOT the Gift of TONGUES), and baptized with the Spirit of the Living God evidence by the sign of speaking in “unknown tongues”, then come back with some knowledge and understanding. And start over.
    Good grief you all need salvation the bible way and stop all this ” bickering”.
    Happy New Year in Jesus Name.
    Try it you will like it. It is a SUPERNATURAL experience that is OUT OF THIS WORLD.
    And forget trying to interpret the “unknown tongues”, you don’t need to. JUST bask in His goodness and faithfulness that He never changed from 33 AD to ,2016 and it is for you, your children. For all… I DID it in 1986, been speaking in “unknown tongues” since then in prayer and never had the Gift of tongues or interpretation. AND IT IS NOT HEBREW. I have a different GIFT from Corinthians.

    • Kiki

      “He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.” 1 Corinthians 14:4 KJV

      So you are about the business of edifying yourself and not the church? Give me the spirit of prophecy!

      Amen!

      • Aka glory

        SPIRIT of Prophecy says: You better be READY when I return and obey the commandments in Acts chap. Two.

  • bruno

    Nteb starts to sound heretical

  • KWESI

    I think most people Read wrongly and take words out of context…

  • Laura L

    The SDA believe in replacement theology. If you ever watch any of their television shows, they never discuss what’s going on in the Middle East or defend the Israeli people’s right to posses the land God gave them. They never mention anything about trying to help the Jewish people or bringing the gospel to them. It’s as if the Jewish people do not matter at all in their worldview. i find that to be very disturbing.

    • Matt R.

      Good point, Laura.

    • Kiki

      We don’t believe in “replacement theology.” Replacement theology means that Christians take the place of Jews as God’s chosen people.

      We believe that, be they Jew or Gentile, if they believe in Christ, they are Abraham’s seed.

      “And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” Galatians 3:29

      You say, “They never mention anything about trying to help the Jewish people or bringing the gospel to them. It’s as if the Jewish people do not matter at all in their worldview. i find that to be very disturbing.”

      And where would “they” mention it in a manner that would satisfy you?

      We desire that all people would come into a loving relationship with Christ.

      BTW, there are actually Jewish SDAs. 😉 Pastor Doug Batchelor is a Jew and a fantastic Pastor!

      • Aka glory

        Ben Carson is a Christian wjo believes in JESUS CHRIST and a SDA. Read his book listen to his movie.

  • THank you! I’m tired of dealing with Christians who think that the SDA church is just another denomination. Many people think for example that Ben Carson is a Christian.

  • JEANIE

    Geoffrey, thank you for the article. I am (or was) 3rd generation SDA on both sides of the family and I can tell you that you got it right on every point. You could have gone further with some of them but you got it right on every point!

  • DANIEl

    It is interesting to see believers argue about who is wrong and who is not on the account of one ancient text. Waiting for the day people will through away the old book and think outside the box; reason!

    • Aka glory

      Daniel: that day is coming, the day after the RAPTURE, there will be no more Holy Ghost, no more SALVATION on earth, no more church, no more preaching, and the pits of hell will be opened and demonic spirits (aka.aliens) will be released. Only 144,000 male, virgin jews will be protected. The bible will be wrapping up. Pray you are saved and ready for that day. Read the book of Acts and be ready. See http://www.cfcky.com also video for 72 hours of the bolk of Acts live TODAY. Sun. 11A & 6P. God bless.

  • Artus

    This article is not the truth!!
    Hi all truth seekers! I read your comments and think to myself “are these comments God honouring?” and “are we debating this in a loving and respectful manner, as true children of God is expected to do?” We all come from different backgrounds and foundational starting points. lets behave respectfully towards people that differ from our own believes, always.
    I still have a lot to learn. I was brought up in a traditional church (Dutch Reformed), came to saving faith (praise the Lord) at age of 30 after attending a year long Bible study school. I left that church and joined a Charismatic Church, learned how to prophecy, spoke in strange tongues, laying on of hands, the clapping of hands and knew how to ‘be merry’ in church. I enjoyed (and grew spiritually in) this new church but after some years became involved with the drive to plant ‘organic’ churches as well as disciple making movements. I was involved in this new church setup for a few years, which I believed (at the time) to be the closest example to the true Church of the book of Acts.
    A bit more than a year ago I attended a seminar presented by Prof Walter Veith on the topic of the books of Daniel and Revelation (only at the end of the week long seminar did I realize Prof Veith is from the SDA church. Yes, he kept it a secret and I am glad he did). In one week he was able to clearly answer all the questions ALL of the previous churches were unable to answer (from scripture). My whole family joined the SDA church and we are very happy SDA members. The SDA church have more Light and are living closer to the Biblical truth than any of the other churches that I had the honour of being part with. I am of sound mind when I say that they are God fearing fokes that love God and because of God’s free gift of salvation they obey His commands. Yes, as in any domination there are those people that are too radical in their interpretation and there are those that are cold in their love and obedience. All the BAD examples mensioned are probably true but in its core the SDA church have the fuller Truth and Light (my honest experience). I say again: this article is NOT true! I will gladly answer questions for those that truly want more insight into my experience of this ‘strange’ (actually unfamiliar but truly biblical) doctrines of the SDA church. My advise to you, that are seeking truth, is not to try and understand this movement by reading the critique of it but rather to visit this church for yourself and allow the Holy Spirit to convince you if this is a sect or not. I say the SDA church IS the remnant church. Please do much more research on this and do not believe these articles without testing it for yourself. Mail me @ malherbe.artus@gmail.com. To my SDA brothers and sisters, please stop being arrugant in your approach when you present the SDA movement in forums such as this. Blessings!

    • Joseph

      The SDA folks I have had to deal with have been very possessive of their church organization, and hold all others in severe judgement and condemnation. They are not real vocal about it, but they will let you know by their actions and by what they won’t say or how they avoid you. While they are welcoming you to their church, they will not attend yours because they have already deemed it wrong. So I ask them: Who are men to judge souls? None of us should be doing this; none of us should be holding the SDA as wrong, or “more wrong” or “more right”.
      God’s inerrant Word is the source of light, not any denomination or group of achievers as the SDA, who, I have seen are very achievement-oriented. Some to the point of coming across like prosperity preachers do–that your salvation should be visible and obvious to people in this earthly plane. And “here’s how to order” sentiment comes from their lips. “…come to our church, see how we are…” I have seen. If you’re not “in” with them, they mostly will treat you like members of cults treat “outsiders”. I don’t see them too much in this local mission field–hardly ever. I see them too busy with their earthly success–which they deem to be proof of duty and “works” for having been saved. I will continue to ask why the SDA are so exclusionary. They don’t own “the formula”, only God does. If Jesus’ going to the cross was not enough for you, He shouldn’t have gone through with it.

  • AndrewA

    @aka Glory in your last response you said “The SDA were the first to see that the Antichrist was the pope and Catholics. They also found the black horse the false prophet of Jesuit superior general Adolfo Nicolas. I have proof from 1980 documents to back SDA findings.”

    This is fundamentally wrong and a lie to boot. This was not the first time the Catholics were seen as being Anti Christ or stated by Christian teachers. Just an Example Martin Luther in the 16th Century famously declared the Pope Anti Christ many times and he is not even the first to do so Just one of the more famous people to do it.

    Even further the whole Jesuit order was founded as part of the Counter Reformation as even the Roman Catholic church had to admit that the Mystery Babylon the Religion in Revelation was way to similar to the Roman Catholic church then they would like and needed to deal with the issue.

    Aka Glory a lot of what you are saying is fundamentally wrong and this is just an example of a lie about History you have made. I can see no other option other then deception as anyone who knows about the Jesuit order’s black Pope would of had to know about Luther’s Reformation letters declaring the Pope Anti Christ as such facts demonstrates a knowledge of Reformation and counter Reformation events.

    On the Word of God front:
    You need to get yourself straightened out. As you have fundamentally missed the point of God’s given Grace and Righteousness as well.

    Roman ch 4 verse 2-5 kjv
    2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

    3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

    4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

    5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

    Romans Ch 5 verse 1-6 kjv

    1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

    2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

    3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

    4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

    5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

    6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

    If you have faith in Jesus you have Grace for Faith Justifies you and gives you Righteousness that is what the two quotes above straight from Paul’s letter to the Romans is declaring. You seems to be missing that point.

    • Aka glory

      The SDA brought more to light and the surface about the black pope. I had no clue who he was until I got on youtube last year and SDA sites had more revelation than any other denomination. Yes I know it has been going for centuries, but no one else mentioned him specifically on this site, but me, that I know of. He is the False prophet, the black horse of Revelations.
      I had very close connections to Catholic church and learned about the inside workings backing up the SDA findings. I cannot reveal all the Catholic workings. *******
      SALVATION from sin, begins down in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost where Jesus said it would BEGIN. You cannot start description of salvation methods or DOCTRINE in the letters written for correction to the churches 15 years after everyone got saved in BOOK of acts. Go to beginning, then put scriptures together, get a concordance and relate the scriptures together. Five times reading the Book of Acts 1-22:16 and should be speaking in unknown tongues in about 10 min. Been saved BY BOOK of Acts 29 years, praying many thru and watching them get buried in water in Jesus Name, there is no other Name by which we MUST BE SAVED.

  • Kiki

    I’m shocked, though I probably shouldn’t be, that people read this ridiculousness and automatically take it as fact. This article is so inaccurate that it leaves me speechless.

    SDAs do NOT revere Ellen G. White any more than we revere John the Baptist. Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior. Period. Mrs. White’s writings serve to GLORIFY God and HIS Holy scripture! We do NOT place her above HIM. Ever.
    “They also believe our prayers are an “abomination” to God.” What?! No! Anybody who has accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior are our brothers and sisters in Christ. Who would “we” be to say otherwise?

    I could, honestly, go on and on about how ridiculously inaccurate this article is about the SDA church.

    This article is chalk full of inaccurate accusations! Making mention that Mrs. White was accused of plagiarism and then neglecting to also mention that it has found, time and time again, to be UNTRUE! She was QUOTING people. Seems to me that when people quote other people they should keep the quotes accurate to what was said by them, yes? Since when did an author quoting another author become plagiarism?!

    You may also want to look up the definition of the word “cult.”

    I used to read your articles. No more. Shame on you!

    For anybody interested in learning the TRUTH about what SDAs believe, I suggest that you reference one of those sneaky websites that were referenced in the “article.” Or, you can watch many fantastic SDA sermons on YouTube. Pastors Doug Batchelor or Stephen Bohr both do a good job. If you really want the truth about Seventh -day Adventists, it’s probably best to find out from the source who they are and what they believe instead of from somebody who obviously has some kind of misinformed, mysterious agenda.

    Happy Sabbath!

    • Matt R.

      White was a fraud. So was Smith. So was Russell. See any patterns here?

    • Ms. White has entire books that are plagiarized…Unless she put a quotation mark on page one, and then on the last page(and then attributed it to the original author, which she didn’t do)…se is a thief and a liar, which she is anyway due to a multitude of false prophecies. Why don’t you care to research it?? It is insane how the SDA and JW church members won’t as Paul demanded, test everything…prove everything. It may just cost you your soul if you believe liars who reestablish the law over the clear word of God.

      • Kiki

        @Sola

        Why would you assume that I don’t test everything. On the contrary, I test ALL things.

        “It may just cost you your soul if you believe liars who reestablish the law over the clear word of God.”

        I am very clear on God’s Word and according to it, Jesus didn’t come to do away with God’s moral law. Our faith through works is made perfect.

        “Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” James 2:21-22 KJV

        Jesus, in fact, came to MAGNIFY the law!

        “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” Matthew 5:17 KJV

        The Greek word for “fulfil” used in this instance is the world “plēroō.” In translation, this means to be “made perfect or “to cause God’s will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God’s promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment.” In other words, what Jesus is saying here is that He didn’t “come to destroy the law” but to perfect it. Another way to look at it is that He came to “magnify” it. For example, in Matthew 5:27,28 KJV, Jesus says:

        “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”

        Here we have a wonderful example of Jesus “perfecting” or magnifying the Law. In essence, He’s saying, “I know that the Ten Commandments say that you shouldn’t commit adultery, but I’m telling you to not so much look at a woman with lust in your eye.” He’s reiterating the Law and magnifying it.

        “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.” Matthew 5:21,22 KJV

        Again, He’s not doing away with God’s moral law, He’s elaborating, taking it a step deeper. This is FAR removed from doing away with it!

        And it really doesn’t get any clearer than THIS….

        “And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” Matthew 19:16-19 KJV

        WAIT A MINUTE!!! Aren’t those from the Ten Commandments?!

        “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” Revelation 14:12 KJV

        It doesn’t say the commandments of Jesus, but the commandments of God, AND the FAITH of Jesus! We are saved by that faith. We are commanded to keep God’s law.

        Have a care that you don’t lead brothers and sisters astray with false doctrine as it relates to these matters. Jesus was clear….

        “Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 5:19 KJV

        Grace was instituted to be sufficient for men’s laws and ordinances. That’s why we don’t need to sacrifice animals to atone for our sins anymore. Jesus WAS the atonement. THAT is grace. By obedience in keeping God’s law, our faith is made perfect. We also obey His law because we love Him.

        “If ye love me, keep my commandments.” John 14:15 KJV

    • Jimmy

      @Kiki

      What is the gospel according to your SDA then? Do you believe that Jesus paid for ALL your sins and that you’re eternally secure? Or do you believe that Jesus only paid for SOME sins and it is up to you to finish the rest to gain access into Heaven?

      • Kiki

        We believe that we are saved by grace, justified by the Lord, just like any other Bible-believing church.

        We do not believe that we are saved by works (if that’s what you’re getting at by whether or not we find it necessary to “finish the rest to gain access into Heaven”). Salvation is all of grace and not of works, but its fruitage is obedience to the Commandments. This obedience develops Christian character and results in a sense of well-being. It is an evidence of our love for the Lord and our concern for our fellow men. The obedience of faith demonstrates the power of Christ to transform lives, and therefore strengthens Christian witness.

        “If ye love me, keep my commandments.” John 14:15 KJV

        I hope that answers your question.

        • Joseph

          You say one thing, then you say that faith has to be more or less “purified” by works. You say that keeping the commandments purifies one’s faith. This is preaching works, no two ways about it. While our faith is the key to our salvation, it is in our commitment to Him that we seek to live out our flesh existence. We are not required to live by institutionalized doctrines and practices, but the inspired Word will teach us how to overcome the flesh. It for sure is not a requirement, but the Word is our inspiration due to the Spirit coming alive in us. None of this is easy, but a structured church is just a man-made entity and should not be exalted above His clear Word that faith is what saves us. You can quote all the scripture you want, even the devil is an expert on what the scripture says. The devil can only distract your eyes and heart from praising the Father. When we start talking about “transforming lives” and “obedience” we are adding interpretations that produce earthly results. Can we do this? According to Paul in Romans 8, we can’t use the spiritual to direct the flesh; alas, the Spirit can lead us beyond the ways of the flesh and of the world, and for sure, we want to be all about the Father’s business, not so much these earthly organizations. It didn’t work out for the Catholics to hold themselves as “the most up to date” with scriptural understanding, and it won’t do a lick of good for the SDAs to continue to hold their doctrines over people as a requirement to know the Father.

          • Kiki

            @ Joseph…

            I NEVER said that faith has to be “more or less ‘purified’ by works!” I NEVER said that the commandments purifies one’s faith! EVER! What on earth are you talking about?!

            Then you go on to accuse me of “preaching works” when I did no such thing!

            The SDA Church believes that we are saved by faith. Period. That only through and by the blood of Jesus are we redeemed. Period.

            PERIOD!

            We do NOT believe that we are saved by works!

            What are you going on about? What kind of agenda do you have? Whatever it is, it isn’t with me!

  • Thank you guys for laying this out, along with the earlier articles on JW’s etc. I am reminded of a saying by my pastor Mr Missler.

    “What Satan could not accomplish by the persecution of the early Church, he attempts to do by JOINING the Church” The doctrines of JW and SDA are part of this, along with others.

    • Mike

      In Your post You bring in jw. Who is jw?

  • They won’t tell you that it is a doctrine of the devil so STAY AWAY…

    More End Time News At:
    http://www.shininginthedark.com/?page_id=3755

  • Betty holden

    Thank you for an excellent article on the SDA. Just as you rightly pointed out, when Jesus said on the cross, “It is finished”, it signified that nothing more can be done to pay for sins. He paid it all. I cannot do one more thing to add to what He did to pay for my sins or to receive eternal salvation. I can only believe in what Christ did for me and receive the gift of salvation. All cults have one thing in common: no matter what they teach doctrinally, they will say that the person has to do something to earn eternal life, faith plus works. Paul taught in the third chapter of the book of Romans that we are saved by faith and not of works..”For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus…where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. therefore we conclude that a man is JUSTIFIED BY FAITH APART FROM THE DEEDS OF THE LAW.” – Romans 3: 23,24,27-28.
    Thanks again for so many great articles to educate and enlighten those who will listen. God bless you.

  • Spencer

    Hi Jeoffrey.

    Thanks once again for exposing false doctrine of another cult. I will pray for the lost.
    I appreciate your site and would love to see you do a piece on the masons.

    Much Love brother.

    Spencer

  • Julie

    The Word Of God ….REVELATION 19:10 …THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST IS THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY !!!

    But the followers of the seventh day adventist church are following the testimony of E.G. White…their doctrine teaches that …”the testimony of E.G.White is the spirit of prophecy”

    May OUR PRECIOUS LORD JESUS help all those who truly love HIM to understand this truth …THAT ONLY THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST IS TO BE HELD AS THE TRUTH.
    JESUS CHRIST IS LORD .

    The seventh day adventist need to see the deception that E.G.White and her extra visions and prophecies are coming from Satan . Satan has always used the trick
    of taking THE WORD OF GOD and used it as a bait and then Satan added the extras…visions and prophecies.

    E.G.White has false humility…she was listening to Satan and his voice. E.G. White did not trust in THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST nor did she remain in THE WORD OF JESUS CHRIST.

    • Kiki

      “But the followers of the seventh day adventist church are following the testimony of E.G. White…their doctrine teaches that …’the testimony of E.G.White is the spirit of prophecy'”

      We “follow” scripture, period. Yes, we do believe that Mrs. White was a prophet of God but don’t “follow” her any more than we “follow” John the Baptist or any other prophet of God.

      “…’the testimony of E.G. White is the spirit of prophecy.'”

      Yes! That’s right. That doesn’t mean that we place a higher regard for HER writings than we do God’s Holy Word. God is God and a prophet is a prophet.

      How did she not “remain in the Word of Jesus Christ?”

      • EGW was NOT a Biblical prophet of God, not even close. The only “authority” was that that she gave to herself, and from her deceived followers. EGW was a spirit of the Devil, not the spirit of prophecy as she tried to claim.

        • Kiki

          So do you think John the Baptist was a spirit of the Devil too?

          • Kmajohn3:16

            Kiki, I know that if you devoutly practice in the doctrine you follow which is Seventh day. Then of course you are going to passionately defend it. First God the Creator does not need us to defend Him… May you consider strictly and solely by HIS WORD if she was used by God or in her flesh the enemy. We all know scripture tells us that we are not to add or take away from His Word.. Now of course that does not mean one cannot write a book. But if that book, those writings contradict the WORD, do not line up with the WORD then we are to question and be in prayer if the person saying they are called is wrong…. Now let’s just say the things once taught they are no longer, things once believed are no longer in SDA today… I myself and this is maybe just me… But would choose not to follow a denomination (I follow no denomination HIS word is what I live by not a group) that It’s start was based on a woman’s resentment of a “man” being wrong on the day our Lord returns. So she-she interpreted herself why he was wrong. She revered a man that man was wrong. None of her prophesies came to pass.. And no John did not have the spirit of the devil. Becarefulin trying to make appoint saying such a thing. John said there is one greater then I coming. He was right and he was chosen to baptize our Messiah. You cannot compare the two…. May God be with us all in HIS TRUTH! :). Oh I will add and we may agree on this there could have been a better video. Some of those people freaked me out. And most of them sounded like robots! Lol “I-to-was-SDA-but-now-I’m-free”.. :/

        • Mike

          Ellen White herself, never claimed to be a prophet! Please do your reserch before you speak!

          • Jeanie Jura

            No, she didn’t. But she did say that every single word she writes come directly from God. Then she says things like the South will win the Civil War, England will joint the South in the war, masturbation causes insanity, TB and many other illnesses. She wrote that if a pregnant woman wore a corset during pregnancy, the baby would be born with a “wasp waist” which is what they called that particular look during the days of corsets. She also says that Jesus had to plead with God three times before God would allow Him (Jesus) to die for the sins of the world. In one place she says that the plan of salvation was created after the fall, then in another place she gets it right by saying that it was in place even before the fall. In one place she says that the Tower of Babel was made before the flood, in other places she gets it right by saying it was made after the food. Bottom line: two points – 1. by saying that every word she writes comes directly from God, she is clearly claiming to be a prophet. 2. By getting so much wrong, she proved that if she is a prophet, she is a false one. According to the Bible if even one prophecy does not come true, it is not a true prophet. So, no technically she did not claim to be a prophet in so many words. But she did claim that her words are of equal importance with those of the writers of the Bible.

  • JIM Eckland

    I have attended or listened to many SDA sermons and find they usually stick to the Kjv and their teachings are pretty pretty scriptually sound.
    I care little about Ellen White. I STILL BELieve in GOD’S Commandments and that Saturday is a special day.
    JE.

  • April

    This is a truly sickening article filled with so many lies and gross misrepresentations that I wouldn’t know where to begin with the corrections and frankly, after reading the wildly inaccurate and biased comments beneath it, I can see it would be a complete waste of my time. I will just say that as a Seventh-Day Adventist of almost 40 years, if you have any interest in knowing what we ACTUALLY believe, then go to the source. Either talk to an actual church member or, if this incredible article has you understandably too terrified to do that, then go to the church’s web site and read them. ( https://www.adventist.org/en/beliefs/ ). I can’t believe the gibberish that I just read is on what I thought was a legitimate Christian website. Your incredible lack of journalistic integrity is so appalling it has discredited you entirely.

    • Kiki

      I couldn’t agree more, April. As I read this article, my jaw literally dropped and I was left shaking my head at the complete ignorance and misinformation relative to the SDA Church it contained. Wow!

      I, like you, thought that this was a legitimate Christian website. Now I’ll never trust another thing they have to say and will, as a result, avoid it in the future. I’d advice others to do the same.

    • Ellen G. White was not only a FALSE prophetess, she was a PLAGIARIST as well.

    • Jeanie Jura

      April, As a former 3rd generation SDA I can tell you that this article is exactly on target as far as the official doctrines. There are many members that personally don’t believe a lot of this and just worship God. But the official doctrine is exactly as laid out by the author. Perhaps you need to go online to the official EGW website and look up each reference quoted. Be sure to read them in context which includes the material before and after the bits quoted. But make sure you are willing to find out the truth before you do it – it is quite disturbing.

      • Amen, sister, thank you! We always research our articles very thoroughly to be as accurate as possible.

    • Joseph

      April, your 40-years-on boast is a boasting about a man-made church. It does not hold any exclusivity over the Body of Christ. The Shepherd knows His flock, and your exalting of your church above not only this article, but over Christians in general is a clear illustration of making an idol of the SDA. Your long-winded rant is sufficient proof that you feel a strong need to defend an organization from clearly described correction being held to you as a Christian from Christians.
      Is Jesus your savior? Or is the SDA organization and its doctrine the “definer of how Jesus is your savior”? do you see the difference? This doesn’t need to be complicated, even if we work out our salvation with fear and trembling, with repentance, and with a great joy in praising the Father, there is no man on this earth who needs to see with earthly eyes what our connection to God is. Our light is really not of ourselves, but of Him shining through us. Defend your membership all you wish, but to look down on those who don’t buy the doctrines added to the Word of God is futile.

  • Dean

    SDA tries to pass itself off as a mainstream Evangelical Christian denomination but it isn’t. It is a cult based on the false prophecies of Ellen White, who made more phony predictions than Jean Dixon ever did in the “National Enquirer”. They believe in some very unbiblical doctrines like soul sleep, the Investigative Judgment, the non-existence of hell and of course, Jesus being Michael the Archangel. Ellen White’s writings are put on an equal par with scripture even though it has been proven over the years that the vast majority of her writings have been plagiarized from other sources. You should read some of the things she has said. She has denied the divinity of Jesus Christ, called God the “all seeing eye” and believed that certain races are an amalgamation of man and beast. These revelations would come to her when she would go into trances screaming d-a-r-k and exhibiting unusual feats of strength such as holding her arm straight out while holding a Bible for long periods of time. Witnesses were unable to move her arms during this time. These things are not associated with the prophets of the Old Testament but with demon possession in the New Testament. I’ve spoken to one of these persons before and they are apparently big into vegetarianism and this guy wouldn’t even eat fish. I pointed out that Jesus ate fish and probably the Passover lamb but apparently it’s not important what Jesus did but what Ellen White said.

  • DENNIS fischer

    My experience has repeatedly revealed that you should NEVER ask a cultist what they believe. You cannot trust their blind devotion to Ellen White and her church. Collectively, my wife and I have more than 100 years of active experience in Seventh-day Adventism (both in America and overseas). God eventually took over our spiritual journey by calling us out of Adventism. We have never looked back, and we never regretted even a mile we have journeyed for the Lord. The best fortress for avoiding a false gospel is to be thoroughly grounded in Scripture.

    In His power and for His glory,

    Dennis J. Fischer
    Blog: notesfromdennisfischer.blogspot.com

    • Mike

      It. was and will never be known as Ellen Whites Church!!!

  • A few people here “challenged” us to go to the official SDA site and “see for ourselves” what SDA church actually teaches. So guess what? We did! This is what we found:

    SDA Church teaches that Sunday worship is the Mark of the Beast: “The observance of the Sabbath is not only a sign of His creatorship in the beginning but will be THE sign of God’s people in the last days in contrast to those with the mark of the beast representing an attempt to keep holy a day which God has not set apart as holy.” source: http://perspectives.adventist.org/en/sermons/sermons/go/2010-07-03/wilson-calls-adventists-to-go-forward-1/

    SDA Church teaches that the angel Michael is really Jesus: “There was war in heaven,” he said. “Michael [another name for Jesus] and his angels fought against the dragon [Satan], and the dragon and his angels fought back” source: https://www.adventist.org/en/beliefs/salvation/the-great-controversy/article/go/0/a-lesson-from-history/

    SDA Church teaches that there is no such thing as an eternal Hell: “I’m so thankful, too, to be an Adventist because it amazes me how many Christians believe that God will burn the lost in hell for eternity. It is astonishing to read some very bright Christians try to justify the idea that the unsaved deserve to be suffering torture in hell for billions of eons, and that such a fate is exactly what a loving God would do.” source: http://news.adventist.org/en/all-commentaries/commentary/go/0/why-im-glad-im-an-adventist/

    SDA Church teaches that Ellen G. White was a Biblical prophet and her writings are scripture: “I personally believe and attest that the writings of the Spirit of Prophecy are believable and true because Ellen G. White and her prophetic ministry pass the four biblical tests of a prophet. The Spirit of Prophecy is inspired by the same heavenly inspiration as that of the Bible since it is the testimony of Jesus.” source: http://news.adventist.org/en/all-news/news/go/2015-10-23/why-adventist-church-leader-supports-the-bible-and-ellen-white/

    Now, I could go on, but honestly, why? Everything this article contends that the SDA teaches they teach. Every bit of it. The SDA is a cult, and it’s members brainwashed. Come out of her.

    • Kiki

      Sunday IS the Mark of the Beast. “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.” Daniel 7:25 KJV

      The Roman Catholic Church changed the Saturday Sabbath to Sunday. The keeping of the Saturday Sabbath is God’s 4th Commandment or, His law. Therefore, they changed the Gods times and laws (this is just one example since we are specifically discussing the Mark of the Beast).

      “Question – Which is the Sabbath day?
      Answer – Saturday is the Sabbath day.
      Question – Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
      Answer – We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.

      “Most Christians assume that Sunday is the biblically approved day of worship. The Catholic Church protests that it transferred Christian worship from the biblical Sabbath (Saturday) to Sunday, and that to try to argue that the change was made in the Bible is both dishonest and a denial of Catholic authority. If Protestantism wants to base its teachings only on the Bible, it should worship on Saturday.” Rome’s Challenge http://www.immaculateheart.com/maryonline Dec 2003

      “Of course the Catholic church claims that the change [i.e. Sabbath to Sunday] was her act, and the act as a MARK of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.” — H.F. Thomas, Chancellor to Cardinal Gibbons.

      “Sunday is our MARK of authority. . .the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” — Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1,1923.

      It’s rather fascinating that comments were made DECADES after the death of Mrs. White who said that keeping a Sunday Sabbath would be the Mark of the Beast?

      “SDA Church teaches that the angel Michael is really Jesus:”

      I think that the disconnect for you here is that you have difficulty understanding how an angel could be Christ. Let’s let scripture explain scripture….

      First of all, the word Archangel simply means the head or chief messenger. It is taken from the two Greek words, [archo], meaning the first, and [aggelos] meaning messenger, or one who brings tidings or news. The word is also translated as the chief, head or top messenger. The word [aggelos] (messenger) is also translated angel (because an Angel is a messenger from God) to signify one who brings tidings from God.

      “And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I. And he said, Lift up now thine eyes, and see, all the rams which leap upon the cattle are ringstraked, speckled, and grisled: for I have seen all that Laban doeth unto thee. I am the God of Bethel, where thou anointedst the pillar, and where thou vowedst a vow unto me: now arise, get thee out from this land, and return unto the land of thy kindred.” Genesis 31:11-13 KJV

      Wait a minute… An ANGEL visited him and the declared, “I am the God of Bethel?!” How can an angel be God?

      “The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.” Genesis 48:16 KJV

      Wait a minute… The ONLY redeemer I know is Jesus Christ.

      “But the angel of the LORD did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the LORD. And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.” Judges 13:21-22 KJV

      They were speaking with the Lord Himself. I could go on and on and on. Scripture is FULL of references to whom certain angels were.

      Please explain this one:

      “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:” 1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV

      “SDA Church teaches that there is no such thing as an eternal Hell:”

      There isn’t. It’s as simple as that.

      Let’s look at a passage of scripture that everybody knows, John 3:16:

      “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

      Perish? It doesn’t say, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should burn in hell for all eternity, but have everlasting life.” Does it? No. It says PERISH.

      It’s not everlasting punishing but everlasting punishment. That means that it is definitive. It will end. The effect of it will be everlasting.

      The consuming fire is God Himself:

      “For our God is a consuming fire.” Hebrews 12:29

      Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed with everlasting, or eternal, fire (Jude 7), and that fire turned them “into ashes” as a warning to “those that after should live ungodly,” 2 Peter 2:6. These cities are not burning today.

      “SDA Church teaches that Ellen G. White was a Biblical prophet and her writings are scripture: “I personally believe and attest that the writings of the Spirit of Prophecy are believable and true because Ellen G. White and her prophetic ministry pass the four biblical tests of a prophet. The Spirit of Prophecy is inspired by the same heavenly inspiration as that of the Bible since it is the testimony of Jesus.”

      Let me ask you a few questions…

      What do you find wrong with this statement?

      What purpose, biblically, did prophets serve? Did they not serve the purposes of redirecting those who had gone astray? Did they not serve the purpose of heralding in a significant event, making way, clearing the way in advance of the event?

      When John the Baptist was busy about making the way and preparing the way for the Lord, was he in scripture? No, he wasn’t. Because the scripture of THAT particular time was the Old Testament, the Torah. Therefore, to the people of that time, he wasn’t Elijah or Moses or Daniel, was he? He was John, somebody who people saw as a wild man, dressed funny and proclaiming strange things. Many people who heard him thought that he was a false prophet too.

      Based on the name of your site, “Now The End Begins,” I’m going to take a wild stab in the dark and assume that you realize that we are in the end of days.

      Now, having said that, I’ll ask you…

      Do you believe that Jesus would return without there first being a prophet involved? Would that be biblical?

      “And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:” Acts 2:17

  • Bryan

    I have to laugh at some of you people. Ellen G White stated that if any follower of Christ where to either adhere to God’s Word or her word, that God’s Word must come first. As a Seventh Day Adventist I can tell you now, half the garbage that is being printed here is false.

    • I keep asking for any of your SDA people to name ONE point we raised that is not true. Just one, come one, you can do it! (rolling my eyes)

      • Kiki

        I have personally responded to many posts and named several.

    • Joseph

      Well, that would mean that half of what is printed here is true. I’m sorry, but the defenders of the SDA are doing just what anyone would do who worships man-made things: They will look down on anyone not in agreement with them. You people DO add to scripture by worshiping your interpretation of it as somehow “purer”. By declaring Ellen as someone who had a better connection with the Father than you or anyone else can have IS making an idol of her and/or her works. You can’t avoid it. It is not garbage, it is simple logic. You cannot see what you look like from the outside, so you goad people to come INSIDE your doctrinal precepts and join you in your “holier than thou” organized religion. All your denomination needs now is a pope. Stop practicing religion and go to God on bended knee with no presupposition or pre-condition added to your faith. He will be waiting for you with open arms.

      • Kiki

        @ Joseph

        Speaking for myself, when I discuss scripture and my understanding of it, I’m not thinking of myself or Mrs. White. I’m thinking of God and the precious brother or sister with whom I’m sharing it.

        I don’t look down on anybody. I’m simply sharing my understanding, praise be to God’s Holy Spirit (not mine), in the hope that it will help another brother or sister on their path. Do you do any less than that when you share God’s Word with others? Why would you assume that I, or any other SDA, would have a different agenda?

        Honestly, it seems to me that non-SDA’s are discussing Mrs. White far more than the SDAs. That should tell you something. What it should tell you is that SCRIPTURE, GOD’S HOLY WORD, is what matters to us. As Mrs. White would have it.

        I don’t make an idol of her works. I, personally, don’t know a SDA that does. I’m certainly thankful for her God-inspired writings. It has served to bring me into a more intimate understanding of GOD’S Word. But that’s all it is, God-inspired. God is God and a prophet is a prophet. Mrs. White’s writing always point to the Creator. Always serves to glorify Him. Everything that she wrote does. She didn’t write to glorify herself any more than I live to glorify her.

        We are not a “holier than thou organized religion.” We are Christians just like anybody else but who also (not predominately) benefit from the writings of a prophet of God. You should read her books sometime.

        You presume much and understand little about the SDA Church.

        • Joseph

          I know two people who have suffered from involvement in the SDA church. They were encouraged not to talk to people who were not SDA, they were encouraged to discredit those Christians who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. The article here, while seemingly inflammatory to you, is not entirely fictional. The people I know have suffered for years because they have SDA in-laws who don’t associate with them beyond simple politeness when they are in each others’ presence. The SDA folks discourage non-SDA’s right behind the backs of the very family members who are not SDA. It is sad that this article has brought out a lot of apologists for the SDA, but the fact is, SDA is MORE than Christianity.
          I would put it to you this simply: considering Mrs. White a prophet is adding to scripture; you go to your prayer closet and you pray to the Father, as Jesus taught. You don’t need Mrs. White’s writings to do anything but to reinforce your man-made doctrines and church. It is what it is. I’ve seen people who are hurt because they chose not to join SDA, and for some reason you folks continue to discourage praying in non-SDA fellowships while telling the same people to read Mrs. White’s books. We don’t need her, we have God’s book, to which nothing needs to be added or subtracted. I understand that you folks, like the Jehovah’s, have what you consider a strict Biblical Christian doctrine, but the fact is, you repeatedly enhance what non-SDA’s need to “improve” their salvation. To me, I’ve come to the conclusion the Mrs. White was like Eve–she was tempted to do “something more” with basic faith and offered it to every Adam she could find.

  • Artus

    Hi Geoffrey,
    You have opened up a can of worms boet! 🙂
    Here is a video link of Dough Batchelor on the topic ‘SDA, cult or christian’. I will be interested to hear your views of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phWc7REDY1w&sns=em

    Your article is void of truth. The topic of Sabbath, existance of hell, State of the dead, Jesus also being Michael the Archangel and many more will obviously sound foreign if you have not done the biblical study. The video link provides some context to these topics. Blessings

  • Truthseeker

    Mr. Grider, I will acknowledge that you got this half right – the part that deals with EG White. I have not been an active church member since leaving the church in 1982 after graduating from one of their institutes of education. I happened to be there when Walter Rea brought up the evidence of EG White plagiarizing vs her writing to be divine words of inspiration which I was taught growing up in the faith. It was always emphasized to me that her divine writings were to support the scriptures, and not take precedence over the scriptures. I can tell you there were many churches during the 1960’s – 1980’s where the words of EG White held more importance than the scriptures. I also had the opportunity to sit in college bible classes where my professors were trained at other seminaries(non-sda)where the adventist doctrines were looked at. The one doctrine that stood out glaringly was Sanctuary doctrine, hence the disappointment of 1844. This doctrine was not biblically sound at all. Otherwise, there is no difference in their doctrines from any other denominations other than worshiping on the sabbath and Jesus second coming. I believe that they finally consolidated all their doctrines to reflect sound doctrine found in the Bible. Like anything else, you will still have renegade SDA churches(the minority) who will continue to preach Ellen Whites word and other biblical false beliefs. All I can tell you is that the church isn’t going to save you. It’s your personal relationship with Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour which matters most.

    • The entire SDA faith is built upon the sand foundation of the writings of false prophet Ellen G. White, and by your own admission she was a word thief who stole from other false prophets. Case closed, I’d say…

    • Thank you. Not only was EGW a fraud and no prophet, the SDA teaching that not all sins are paid for on the Cross renders their doctrine invalid. When you get saved, ALL you sins till the time you die are paid for.

  • Mark

    Mr Grider,

    This deals with your false view concerning Sunday and the Sabbath:

    SUNDAY KEEPERS USE … 1 Corinthians 16:2 …’Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.’

    Ok, what is Paul dealing with here? This is a letter/request made by Paul, to the churches in Asia Minor to help the Christians in Jerusalem, due to their lack of food and other necessities. Now many people tend to think that this is a ‘church meeting’ on the first day of the week. But this is wrong. This is simply a letter or request made by Paul which was to be conveyed to the people by the church leaders. And if we use the Bible, which day did they gather to have ‘church’?

    Acts 13:42 …’And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.’

    So they continued to worship and do ‘church’ on the Sabbath day, which was the 7th day of the week as per the 4th commandment. Now the words ‘lay by him in store’ actually means to gather things AT HOME which they could donate to the Christians in Jerusalem. So let us put this all together. Paul sends a letter/request to the churches in Asia Minor. That request is made to the Christians in church on the Sabbath day for them to lay aside anything they can at home on ‘Sunday’. And why did Paul ask them to do this on the first day of the week? Because the request would have been made at church on the Sabbath, and the next available time they would be able to do this was on ‘Sunday’. Plus, this would have required ‘work’ to gather these things together, which was not appropriate to do on the 7th day Sabbath. So as you can see, this verse in 1 Corinthians 16 in no way supports the keeping of Sunday as the Sabbath.

    SUNDAY KEEPERS USE … Acts 20:7-8 …’And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.’

    Many Christians look at this today and think that because Paul ‘preached’ to them, and also ‘broke bread’ with them, then it must indicate a ‘new Sabbath day’. But again, important facts are being missed out here. Firstly, the verses says that it was ‘upon the first day’, and that is was dark and Paul preached until midnight. Now what does Genesis say in regards to how a day is structured? … “the evening and the morning are the first day.” … So a day begins at sundown in the evening. Which means this meeting was actually occuring on a ‘Saturday’ evening. And in Acts 20:11 it confirms they talked until the ‘break of day’. Now does anyone really believe that this meeting continued from ‘Sunday’ morning until ‘Monday’ morning? No. They met on Saturday evening and it lasted until Sunday morning. At which time Paul then went on his journey during Sunday. So there is no sacredness attached to Sunday here whatsoever. The disciples simply met on Saturday evening with Paul because he was going on a journey on Sunday.

    But what about the breaking of bread? Surely this denotes a ‘special meeting’? No. Look at what Acts 2:46 confirms …’And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart.’ … So this ‘breaking bread’ was a daily occurrence. So again, we have no support in these verses for a ‘Sunday Sabbath’. Quite the opposite!

    SUNDAY KEEPERS USE … John 20:19 …’Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.’

    This is another verse that Sunday keeping Christians use today to support their belief. And yet they miss the very fact as to WHY the disciples were gathered. Was this a weekly ‘church’ service? No, the text actually tells us. They were simply gathered together because they were in ‘fear of the Jews’. So they sought comfort together. The Jewish leaders had crucified Jesus, and now they would switch their attention to the followers of Christ. And do you know how we can truly tell this is NOT a ‘church’ service? Because they ‘locked the door’! They were simply locking themselves in from fear of an attack from the Jewish leaders.

    You will also notice that the verse says it is ‘evening’ on the first day of the week. Which means this is late on Sunday, and about to become Monday. So you have to do a lot of stretching and twisting to use this verse in support of Sunday keeping.

    SUNDAY KEEPERS USE … Mark 16:9 …’Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.’

    I have heard a number of people say that because Jesus appeared to Mary and the other disciples on the first day, then this means ‘Sunday’ became the sacred day of the week instead of ‘Saturday’ (7th day). But you just need to use common sense with this. When did Jesus rise from the dead? Well, the Bible doesn’t explicitly confirm, because Jesus was already risen when Mary got to the tomb early Sunday morning. So when would be the ‘natural’ time for Jesus to appear to them? Yes, the day He arose, the first day! This in no way applies any special status to ‘Sunday’.

    Also, one thing that many Christians miss is the fact that Jesus RESTED ‘in death’ on the 7th day Sabbath. Why didn’t Jesus rise from the dead straight away? Because the 7th day Sabbath is God’s holy day, so God did not raise Jesus from the dead until after His holy 7th day Sabbath! Remember, God is very consistant, and if He says a certain day is ‘holy’ and ‘sanctified’, then even He will keep it holy!

    TRUE New Testament Sabbath
    As you can see from the above, there is no hint whatsoever that the first day of the week replaced the seventh day as the New Testament Sabbath. Christians today only look at the very surface of these Bible verses and completely miss the deeper meaning of them.

    So is there any reference in the New Testament to continued seventh day Sabbath keeping by the disciples? Yes. Remember, ‘Sunday’ in the New Testament is called ‘the first day of the week’, but the 7th day in the New Testament is called ‘the Sabbath day’. This should hit home straight away – the fact that the 7th day is still called the Sabbath, and yet the first day is given no special name whatsoever! So let us look at some references to the Sabbath.

    Luke 23:55-56 …’And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.’

    Acts 13:42-44 …’And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.’

    Acts 16:13 …’ And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.’

    I love the verse in Luke 23 above. God isn’t just telling us that the followers of Jesus, after His death kept ‘a Sabbath’. He is telling us that they kept ‘THE Sabbath’ … according to the commandment … ie, the 4th commandment! Which specifically tells us to keep the 7th day holy. And this is clearly what the followers of Jesus in the New Testament did.

    Acts 13 above and Acts 16 also confirm that the disciples AND new converts kept the Sabbath. Why did the Gentiles ask Paul to preach to them ‘the next Sabbath’ if they were now keeping the first day of the week? Time and time again throughout the New Testament, the 7th day Sabbath is still called ‘the Sabbath’, showing it has not changed. And yet ‘Sunday’ is simply called the first day of the week – giving it no special status.

    Now take a look at Hebrews 4 below …

    Hebrews 4:4,5,9,10 …’For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, and God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest … There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.’

    The original Greek for ‘a rest’ in the verse that says ‘There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God’, actually means a ‘SABBATH REST’. So this verse is saying … There remaineth therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God. And that ‘Sabbath rest’ is the 7th day Sabbath, as per the 4th commandment.

    • THE REASON FOR THE JEWISH SABBATH

      If God instituted the “Sabbath” before the “Fall of Man,” it seems strange that the fact is not recorded in Genesis, and that Adam was not told to observe it. Nowhere in the Book of Genesis do we read of Adam, or any of his descendants, or Noah, or Abraham observing the Sabbath. The only hint we have of a “seven-fold” division of days is found in Genesis 7:4, 10, when seven days of grace were granted before the Flood came, and in Genesis 8:8-12, where a seven day period elapsed between the sending forth of the dove.

      The first place we read of the Sabbath is in Exodus 16:23-26, in connection with the gathering of the manna–“Six days ye shall gather it; but on the SEVENTH day, WHICH IS THE SABBATH, in it there shall be none.” Here we have the “SEVENTH” day designated as “THE SABBATH.” That the “Seventh Day” of the “Creative Week” was a type of the Sabbath is clear from Exodus 20:11–“For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH day; wherefore the Lord blessed the SABBATH DAY, and hallowed it.” But we have no evidence that the Sabbath was commanded to be observed until after the Exodus, and the reason is clear. God’s “Rest Day” was broken by the “Fall of Man,” and there could be no “rest” until redemption was brought in, and this was typically brought in by the redemption of the children of Israel from Egypt through the offering of the “Passover Lamb,” a type of Christ.

      The purpose of their deliverance was that they might find rest in Canaan from the weary toil and slavery of Egypt (Deuteronomy 5:15). When a few weeks later the “Ten Commandments” were given on Mt. Sinai, the Lord said to Israel, “REMEMBER the Sabbath Day to keep it holy” (Exodus 20:8), the Sabbath Day they were to remember was not the “Seventh Day” on which God rested, but the “Day” that God had appointed as the “Sabbath Day” at the time of the giving of the manna.

      THE SABBATH WAS GIVEN TO ISRAEL ALONE

      The command to observe the Sabbath day was given to Israel EXCLUSIVELY. It was not given to the Gentiles. It was given to Israel as the “SIGN” of the “Mosaic Covenant.” “Verily My Sabbaths you shall keep: for it is a ‘SIGN’ between Me and you throughout your generations” (Exodus 31:13; Ezekiel 20:12, 19-21). The Sabbath Day then belongs to the Jews alone and is not binding on the Gentiles (the world), or on the Church (Christians). Nowhere in the Bible do you find God finding fault with any nation or people, except the Jewish nation, for not observing the Sabbath. As a Jewish ordinance it has never been abrogated, changed, or transferred to any other day of the week, or to any other people. It is now in abeyance as foretold in Hosea 2:11 it would be.

      It is to be resumed when the Jews are nationally restored to their own land (Isaiah 66:23; Ezekiel 44:24; 46:1-3). If this be true, then the “Sabbath” does not belong to the Church, and is not to be observed by Christians, for the “Sabbath Day” is a part of “THE LAW,” and Christians are not under “LAW,” but under “GRACE” (Romans 6:14). In his letter to the Galatian Christians Paul reproved them for going back to the “Law,” and declared that those who did so were “under the CURSE” (Galatians 3:10). “How turn you again to the ‘beggarly elements’ (religious ordinances) whereunto you desire again to be in bondage? You observe DAYS (Sabbath and Feast Days), and months, and times, and years. I am afraid for you, lest I have bestowed upon you labor in vain” (Galatians 4:9-11). “Let no man therefore judge you in meats or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the SABBATH” (Colossians 2:16). If Christians are under obligations to keep the “Jewish Sabbath,” then they are under the Jewish “Ceremonial Law” and should observe all the ordinances and Feast Days of the Jewish Ritual.

      THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH DOES NOT REPLACE THE JEWS OR ISRAEL

      As an institution of Judaism, the Sabbath, with all the “Feast Days” and other ritualistic ceremonies and offerings of Judaism, ceased to function with the close of the Jewish Dispensation. The JEWISH Sabbath was not changed to the CHRISTIAN Sabbath, any more than “Circumcision” was changed to “Baptism.” There is no such thing as the “CHRISTIAN Sabbath.” “Sabbath” has to do with LAW, and “Christian” with GRACE, and to join “LAW” and “GRACE” is to unite what God has forever separated. After the Resurrection, Christ and His Disciples never met on the “Sabbath” but on the “FIRST DAY of the week” (John 20:1, 19; Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2).

      It is true that they went into the Jewish Synagogues on the Sabbath, but not to worship, but that they might have opportunity to preach the Gospel. The “First Day of the Week” is the day to be observed for rest and worship by the Christian Church. It is prefigured in the Old Testament as the “EIGHTH DAY,” or the “DAY AFTER THE SABBATH.” “You shall bring a sheaf of the ‘FIRST-FRUITS’ of your harvest unto the priest, and he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you; on the ‘MORROW AFTER THE SABBATH’ the priest shall wave it” (Leviticus 23:10-11).

      THE CHURCH AND ISRAEL ARE SEPARATE BUT EQUAL

      What did that “First Fruits” typify? Read 1 Corinthians 15:20–“Now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the ‘FIRST-FRUITS’ of them that slept.” When did Christ rise from the dead and become the “FIRST-FRUITS?” Not on the “Sabbath,” for He lay dead in the tomb on that day, but on the “FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK,” on the “MORROW AFTER THE SABBATH.” The fact that the “Birthday” of the Church was at Pentecost, and that fell on the “First Day of the Week,” is further proof that the Church should keep the “First Day of the Week” and not the “Seventh” day or “SABBATH.” The Jewish Sabbath links man with the “Old Dispensation,” the “First Day of the Week” links man with the “New.”

      “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:” Colossians 2:16 (KJV)

      It is claimed that the Roman Catholic Church changed the day of rest from the “Seventh Day” to the “First Day of the Week,” but the claim is false, for the Papacy did not exist until a long time after the “First Day of the Week” had become a fixed day for Christian worship. It is a noteworthy fact that the whole of the “Ten Commandments” (Exodus 20:1-17) are reaffirmed in the New Testament, except the “Fourth Commandment” regarding the Sabbath (Romans 13:8-10; Ephesians 6:1-2; James 5:12; 1 John 5:21). Why this omission if the Law of the “Sabbath” is still in force?

      “And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.” Acts 20:7 (KJV)

      It is called the “LORD’S DAY.” It belongs to Him. It is not called a “rest day” in the Bible. It is a day that should be filled with worship and service and holy activity. It is not a day to be spent in laziness or pleasure, or the giving of sacred concerts and the discussion of worldly betterment schemes, but a day for the teaching and preaching of the Word of God. – Clarence Larkin, 1918

      • Kiki

        Sir, do you not know that the Sabbath is for EVERYBODY (it existed BEFORE there even were Jews). First, let’s look at Genesis 2:2-3 which takes us all the way back to the beginning of all things created, even Jews:

        “And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.”

        Now, let’s take a look at the 4th Commandment as was written by the finger of Jesus in STONE “for the Jews”:

        “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.” Exodus 20:8-11 KJV

        Do you see any similarities? The Sabbath Day was created ON the 7TH DAY OF CREATION, NOT on Mount Sinai! It is intended for ALL of creation, NOT ‘just the Jews.'”

        Additionally, it is a Covenant that is ETERNAL! NOT just until Jesus died on the cross!

        “Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.” Leviticus 24:8 KJV

        “…Taken FROM the children of Israel?” Hmmmmm…. Would that, perhaps, suggest that it is and EVERLASTING COVENANT meant for Gentiles as well?!

        “Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.” Exodus 31:15-16 KJV

        A PERPETUAL COVENANT! “…whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall srely be put to death?” “And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.” Revelation 19:20 KJV

        So you say, “Yeah, but can’t you see that Exodus 31:16 is referring to “ISRAEL”?!

        Brother, you first need to understand that all believers in Christ (be they Jew or Gentile) are Jews, ARE Israel, ARE God’s chosen people. Israel isn’t a geographical location to God. Israel is His Heart! Israel is the seed of Abraham and Christian’s are heirs to the promise made to Abraham’s seed.

        “And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” Galatians 3:29 KJV

        Therefore, Gentiles ARE SPIRITUAL JEWS. Gentiles were adopted into the good olive tree.

        Hang in there and let me explain. This WILL be a bit lengthy but please do read it very carefully (pray that God’s Truth be revealed to you!). Once you understand this, the Bible will literally explode with understanding for you. So many scriptures that have been a mystery and illusive to you will finally make sense…

        First of all, let me say, that what I’m going to attempt to explain to you is nothing new. In fact, not only is it scriptural (VERY!) but it is one of the threads that pulls the entire meaning of God’s Word together (the main thread, obviously, being Jesus). It was also the “common” doctrine (understanding) up until about the mid- to late-1800’s when deceptive doctrine, the doctrine of the devil, entered the church. When Satan removed this very significant cohesive thread of understanding from the body, it caused (and still does) vast amounts of scripture to be unclear and confusing to the reader. This is why I said that when you understand what I’m going to explain to you, you will find that your understanding of much of the Bible will “literally explode” with meaning. How do I know this? I know this because it happened to me and I’ve seen it happen in people to whom I’ve explained it.

        The apostle Paul was a Jew who shared the gospel with both Jew and Gentile. However, his primary ministry was with the Gentiles.

        “For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles…” Romans 11:13 KJV

        Let’s start with Romans 10:1-3:

        “Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.”

        Here, Paul is beginning to explain to Roman Gentile believers “who” they are in Christ. Where they fit in the grand scheme of being Gentile believers. In verse 1, he is making reference to the Jewish people (Israel) that would be saved. In the following verses he is basically saying that they are unable to be saved because of their OWN righteousness.

        In Romans 10:5-11 (I won’t quote it here, you can look it up if you’d like), he’s basically explaining what is required to be saved (i.e., righteousness in faith, confessing that Jesus is Lord).

        In Romans 10:12 he gets right to the point:

        “For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.”

        In Romans 10: 19, something very interesting is brought to light by Paul:

        “But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.”

        Here, Paul is beginning to explain “the mystery.” God, through Moses, let Israel know that through their self-righteousness, they would not recognize the fulfillment of the Promise (their Messiah) when He came and that he would attempt, by provoking them to jealousy, to bring them to an understanding and acceptance, through faith, of the Promise.

        This brings us to Romans 11:1 where we see Paul begin to address the matter of God’s promise to the seed of Abraham:

        “I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.”

        Here, Paul is saying that God didn’t break His Covenant with the Jewish people, THEY BROKE IT WITH HIM. Then he refers to himself to begin to attempt to explain the remnant Jews (the “election”) who didn’t break the Covenant and accepted the Promise when He came, thus fulfilling the Covenant.

        “What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day” Romans 11:7-8 KJV

        Those Jews who accepted Jesus, were/are redeemed and those that didn’t were/are blinded to the Truth.

        “I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.” Romans 11:11 KJV

        THIS scriptural gem fulfills and explains Moses’ statement referred to in Romans 10:19: “…I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.” It is God’s desire that the adoption of the Gentiles into the promise given to the Jews would provoke them into jealousy so that they, too, would claim the Promise.

        “Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?” Romans 11:12 KJV

        Their failure to acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah and be God’s witness nation resulted in the Gentile church being given that privilege. Their future spiritual renewal will be made more full by this loss.

        “For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.” Romans 11:13-14 KJV

        Paul longs for his fellow Jews to accept the Messiah.

        “For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?” Romans 11:15 KJV

        Only by “casting away” the unbelieving Jews, the rest of the world (the Gentiles) are given the gift of the Promise; so, as a result of this sacrifice, God will one day remove their blindness and receive them and give them “life from the dead.”

        “For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;”

        NOW we get to the heart of the question of who Gentile believers are. The firstfruit is Jesus. Any Jew who was/is in Jesus is made an holy branch. Jews who reject(ed) Jesus are branches that are broken off from the good olive tree. Gentile believers (the wild olive tree) are branches that were/are grafted in among the original branches (believing Jews) and become partakers of “the root and fatness of the olive tree.”

        “Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.” Romans 11:18-21 KJV

        Speaks for itself. Don’t be haughty with regard to unbelieving Jews as they have been blinded by God to the Truth so that fullness may come to the Gentiles. We are to be grateful for their significant (unknowing) sacrifice. They have lived these many centuries without a relationship with God for the Gentile’s sake. “Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.” Luke 13:35 KJV

        I’ll let you read Romans 11:22-36 on your own. You will now see that it will make complete sense to you.

        Here is “God’s mystery” explained.

        I pray that this has been a blessing to you. Much love in Christ.

        • raelene

          When one has the wrong premise beginning their thought and reasoning process it is quite easy to come up with many false ideas.
          First of all, we do not become spiritual Jews when we are born again. There are now 3 entities in this age of the New Testament Church/Body of Christ.
          1 Corinthians 10:32
          Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
          Secondly, Israel is not the olive tree. Israel is the natural branches of the tree. Christ Jesus is the tree/vine/root. We are grafted into Christ, not into Israel.
          Isaiah 11:10
          And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
          The first fruits is the first of 3 parts of the harvest. This happened at the resurrection of Christ, the first fruits. Many Old Testament saints were resurrected at that time.
          The main harvest/Pentecost is when the main harvest happens which may very well be when the rapture takes place. Pentecost has not been fulfilled. The Holy Spirit was given at Pentecost, but there was no harvest. Pentecost is also known as the feast of harvest.
          The third part of the harvest is the gleaning which, according to the Mosaic law was to begin at the 4 corners of the field.
          The gleaning will happen at the end of the time of Jacob’s trouble.
          Matthew 24:31
          And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
          The elect is Israel according to the law of first mention. The Church/Body/Bride of Christ is not the elect.
          Romans 15:12
          And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.
          John 15:5
          I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
          Israel is the FIG TREE.
          Song of Solomon 2:13
          the fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.
          Zechariah 3:10
          In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.
          Matthew 24:31-33
          31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
          32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 so likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

          • Kiki

            @ sister Raelene…

            “When one has the wrong premise beginning their thought…”

            Am I to presume that the “one” that you are referring to is me? If not, please correct me in this thinking.

            “…it is quite easy to come up with many false ideas.”

            Am I, further, to presume that I am the one who is finding it “quite easy” to come up with “many” false ideas?

            These are legitimate questions as they could pertain to the SDA Church or Mrs. White.

            If they pertain to me…. Premise? False ideas?

            Sister, I have to say (after careful thought and keeping in check an initial desire to respond in a knee-jerk manner) that these presumptions negate consideration on you part that I actually have God’s Holy Spirit within me, Who provides me with my understanding. This calls into question why you would presume to have an intimate knowledge of my personal relationship with the Lord.

            Come now, and let us reason together. (“How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!…)

            I do not have a “premise.” I do not have false “ideas.” What I do have is a relationship with the Lord.

            If you presume that “my” ideas come from the SDA Church, you would be incorrect in your assumption. I won’t bore you with the details of my humble walk but I will say that I came to many of these understandings BEFORE I even KNEW about the “doctrine” of the SDA Church which is why, when I found it, it was a GLORY moment for me!

            As it relates to your comments….

            “First of all, we do not become spiritual Jews when we are born again. There are now 3 entities in this age of the New Testament Church/Body of Christ.”

            Then please explain Paul’s intent in Romans 11. Paul makes it QUITE clear that we ARE Abraham’s seed. Was Abraham not Jewish? How could we possibly be his seed and not be?

            “1 Corinthians 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:”

            I’m sorry, but where exactly did I give offence? In fact, I was quoting scripture then sharing the understanding that the Holy Spirit gave me with regard to it. What part of that do you find offensive and why?
            “Secondly, Israel is not the olive tree. Israel is the natural branches of the tree. Christ Jesus is the tree/vine/root. We are grafted into Christ, not into Israel.

            That is exactly what I said!

            What I said was…

            “The firstfruit is Jesus. ANY JEW WHO WAS/IS IN JESUS IS MADE AN HOLY BRANCH. Jews who reject(ed) Jesus are branches that are broken off from the good olive tree. GENTILE BELIEVERS (the wild olive tree) are branches THAT WERE/ARE GRAFTED IN AMONG THE ORIGINAL BRANCHES (BELIEVING JEWS) and become partakers of “the root and fatness of the olive tree.”

            I have no idea what your issue is with what I said. We, from what I can see anyway, are in agreement.

            Jesus is and will forever will be the firstfruit. I was referring to Him and further elaboration on your part relative to the harvest wasn’t germane to the conversation but I do thank you for sharing your thoughts on it.

            “But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.” 1 Corinthians 15:20 KJV

            As for…

            “Matthew 24:31
            And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”

            The elect is Israel according to the law of first mention. The Church/Body/Bride of Christ is not the elect.
            Romans 15:12”

            I don’t see how this scripture in any way suggests that the elect are not the Body of Christ. That is YOUR “premise,” not mine.

            Do you seriously believe that God’s chosen people would be those who rejected His Son? His Only Begotten? Seriously think about that for a minute. The Jews broke their covenant with God. God didn’t break His Covenant with them! They, in effect, divorced Him. TONS of scripture to support that.

            Paul, in Romans 10:1 said, “Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.”

            Then he, in Romans 11: said, “I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.”

            Here he is saying that GOD DID NOT BREAK HIS COVENANT with the Jews. HE didn’t cast them away! He then uses himself as an example and, in effect, was saying that HE was proof that God didn’t break His Covenant. Paul understood that he was an “ELECT.” HE was one that, through the eye of the needle, KNEW that the fulfillment of the Covenant only came through accepting Jesus as the Messiah, his Lord and Savior. The Jews who didn’t accept Him… Well, there house was left desolate, wasn’t it?

            “Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.” Romans 11:5 KJV

            The remnant are those that accept/ed Christ. Those that didn’t do not receive the “election of grace.” Therefore, they are not the “elect.”

            There is no way that you can convince me that the physical nation of Israel has received “the election of grace.” To say so would deny the gift of grace through Christ. The election of grace is given to those that believe in Christ, thereby making them His elect. WE are His elect.

            “And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust. Romans 15:12”

            And?

            “I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. Israel is the FIG TREE.”

            Yes, and we are Israel. “For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.” Romans 10:12 KJV

            “Song of Solomon 2:13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.”

            Are you suggesting in the sharing of this scripture that the physical nation of Israel is putting forth fruit?! How? Where? When? No.

            “Zechariah 3:10
            In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.”

            Yes.

            “Matthew 24:31-33
            31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other…”

            I can’t wait!

            “…32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 so likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.”

            Even so, come Lord Jesus, come.

            I am forever amazed at the contortions brethren will sometimes go through to make their point adjust to fit their understanding to that of a different understanding. This is the thought that continued to play through my mind as I was responding to your comment. I’m not attempting to be crass or offensive in my saying of that; it isn’t in my nature to do so. However, I will say that I do intend admonishment. In truth, my amazement began with your assumption that God’s participation in my growth as a Christian was little more than a “premise” and that He had implanted within my heart “false ideas.” The things that you said that followed, to my thinking and as a result, only served to be an attempt to justify these assumptions on your part.

            Have a care, sister, toward fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. We are both Christ’s body.

            “For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.” 1 Corinthians 12:24-25 KJV

          • raelene

            The Elect: (law of first mention)
            Isaiah 42:1
            Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
            Isaiah 45:4
            For Jacob my servant’s sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
            Isaiah 65:9
            And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

            The elect are all Hebrew, but not all Hebrews are the elect, only those who are saved both from the Old Testament time and now on into the trib.
            You will not find one instance where the Body of Christ is referred to as the elect in the KJV.

            No. Abraham was not a Jew. If I remember correctly he was Chaldean.
            Jacob, the son of Isaac is the beginning if Israel.

            When I said this, “First of all, we do not become spiritual Jews when we are born again. There are now 3 entities in this age of the New Testament Church/Body of Christ.
            1 Corinthians 10:32
            Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:” I was showing the 3 entities which now exist. We are not Jews. We are the church of God. Jews are Jews and Gentiles are Gentiles. When we are saved, both Jews and Gentiles we become the church of God. Gentiles do not become spiritual Jews.

            All of Israel will be saved in a day at the end of the tribulation, but before then any of them who have died without Christ will be cast into the lake of fire for eternal torment along with the Devil and his angels, the False Prophet, the Man of Sin, and all lost souls from all the way back to Adam’s day.

            Everything I wrote was to anyone who may read it, not just to you specifically since this is a public forum.But, to be clear I was addressing the teachings of the SDA and it’s founder.

            I do not presume to have any intimate knowledge of what is inside anyone, I can only discern by what I see, hear or read, God alone knows the heart.

            This verse is about the end of the tribulation. The Body of Christ is no longer present in this world, but is in heaven with the Lord. The elect is what is left of Israel after most of them and most of the earth’s population are wiped out during the seven years of Jacob’s trouble.:
            “Matthew 24:31
            And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”

            The remnant Paul spoke of was the remnant of Israel who get saved throughout the history of the Israelites, which has not ended.

            The Body/Bride of Christ does not replace Israel. They are of the future earthly millennial kingdom. The Body of Christ is of the heavenly kingdom of God.

            You wrote:
            “Yes, and we are Israel. “For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.” Romans 10:12 KJV”
            But you are not understanding that this verse in no way says that we become Jews when we are saved. It says we are no different from one another in the Body of Christ.

            Israel is the divorced, adulterous wife of Jehovah God, but will be reconciled at the beginning of the Millennial reign of Christ on the earth.
            The book of Hosea tells us all about that.
            Jehovah did write her a bill of divorcement because of her continuous spiritual adultery, but he reconciles and remarries her after the time of Jacob’s(Israel’s) trouble.

            And yes, I am saying the fig tree is back in the land and has taken root, never to be plucked from the land again and that began in 1948.

            There are no contortions in what I have written. I have rightly divided and taken it all directly from the word of God, the Holy Bible which is the only writing inspired and breathed by God. Nothing which I have said can be disproved because it has been taken in context directly form the word of God.

            The truly sad thing here is that you have taken what I wrote personally while it was never intended that way by me. I am only trying to show what the words of the Lord tell us. And as I said this all has been written for anyone who reads it.

            I wrote it all with an excitement to show the truth of the Lord’s word and the wonderful harmony within those written pages. We need no prophets in this age. We only need the word of God and his Holy Spirit. And when we read with the proper perspective everything should fall into place and show us what it is all about.
            Many think it’s all about God’s relationship with man, when it’s actually about God and his Sovereignty and eternal throne and the final purging of sin from his Creation to the perfect eternity future with no chance of sin ever entering in again.

            I’m sorry if you have taken any offense. We should never get offended but instead have great peace when we love HIS word. That’s Bible! 🙂

  • Jason Smith

    This page is full of falsehood and distortion. Beginning at the top we see a misleading heading.

    If you receive Christ as your Saviour through the Seventh-Day Adventists, only your past sins, up to that moment are forgiven. Now you must get to work to earn your salvation. [End Quote]

    Point 1: The Bible is very clear that sins are forgiven IF you confess them.

    9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1:9)

    Now tell me reader can you confess of sins that you have not committed yet? Of course not! Thus Jesus’ sacrifice is effective for the sins which you have committed and repented of not for the ones you have not.

    So then what about future sin? Does Jesus leave us on our own for them? God forbid! John speaks to his readers and tells them not to sin but he assures them that if they do sin then they have an Advocate with the Father.

    My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: (1 John 2:1)

    Thus the SDA teaching that when you accept Christ your past sins are forgiven is true. And, what our author left off, is that the SDA teaching is also that you should ask God for the anointing of His Spirit so that you might live without sinning from that moment forward. Like Jesus said to the adulterous woman after He told her that He did not condemn her “Go, and sin no more.” (John 8:11). And even more so SDAs teach that if you do sin you should not give up in discouragement but trust in Jesus’ faithfulness and ability to forgive and cleanse if you will repent.

    Point 2: The Bible is also very clear that believers are to work for their salvation

    Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. (Phil 2:12)

    What our author left off though is the standard SDA teaching that these works do not originate from self. Let’s continue quoting Paul.

    13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure. (Phil 2:13)

    SDAs believe and teach that the Christian works in cooperation with God. By His Spirit He puts both the desire and power to do His good pleasure. Thus our work is to yield to Him.

    19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. (Rom 6:19)

    Now there is much more that could be said here but the point is made sufficiently. You see by leaving off the complete pictures of the SDA teaching the author of this article makes them out to be something they are not. This is very typical tactic from SDA critics.

    • Thank you for confirming the SDA false teachings of works salvation and partial atonement. Really appreciate it!

      • Jason Smith

        You have now revealing what type of critic you are. You have not demonstrated any interaction with the Scriptures at all. I quoted the apostle Paul and the apostle John to prove my point but you have glibly ignored what they said. Thus your problem is not with Seventh-day Adventism but the Word of God.

        9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1:9)

        My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: (1 John 2:1)

        Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure. (Phil 2:12, 13)

  • unsure

    I am not SDA and ws raised in a christian family tho i am not part of any earthly church establishment now. This is my thoughts on i was taught and please correct me if i am wrong fellow christians. Every individual ‘s personal relationship with Jesus is very important to salvation. I am a believer of Christ and the purpose of His death on the cross. If grace or faith in Him is all i need for salvation then i can go on and sin as much as i please and still believe i am saved??? The faith of Jesus manifests in works. Christians should be Christ-like at our best and ask for forgiveness for our trespasses as Christ taught us how to pray as we are never perfect and acknowledge we are sinners. I believe all sins confessed and repented from, Christ cleanse them with his blood. The law is not done away with but if Christ and the Holly Spirit dwells in you then you don’t need no law for u will hv the spirit of discerning. You will automatically live by the law without hvng to acknowledge observation of the law. Lastly on Sabbath, tho i don’t keep it because i am of not so much knowledge in the book of Revelations it talks about the “patince of the saints those who keep the the commandments and the faith of Jesus”.

    • Kiki

      Amen, unsure! Yes! You have it! You understand! And just like me, I came to these understandings BEFORE I became a member of the SDA. I discovered them on my own without the influence of any man’s doctrines.

      And yes, Revelation is referring to the remnant that keeps God’s Sabbath. “The patience of the saints,” is the patience necessary to see us through persecution in the last days.

      Even from fellow Christians.

  • unsure

    Forgive my grammar those who criticise useless things wch are irrelevant. Thank you

  • Bart

    I was going to write a lot destroying your whole ideas, but it essentials goes down to you believing that Seventh Day Adventist worship and consider Ellen White as a prophetess, which I truly believe it isn’t so. From what I see is that Seventh Day Adventist mostly call themselves that because they recognize the Sabbath day as the day of rest which isn’t required as Jesus has told us. Just because we’re not required to do so, doesn’t we shouldn’t try to observe the day. That’s like the toxic belief where people think that they can do whatever they want because Jesus forgave our sins and we’ll always be forgiven because he loves us. We’re under grace right? I’m sorry but I personally don’t believe that and know people who do believe that and are terrible people and do terrible things.

    • Kiki

      “From what I see is that Seventh Day Adventist mostly call themselves that because they recognize the Sabbath day as the day of rest which isn’t required as Jesus has told us.”

      And where, exactly, in scripture did Jesus tell us this?

      In fact, Jesus, himself, kept the Sabbath Day as did his apostles as did the Gentile believers as according to God’s Holy Word. In fact, Jesus so kept the Sabbath Day Holy that He did so even in death. He died on Preparation Day (the day before the Sabbath created to prepare for the Sabbath in such a way as to minimize work efforts) in the 9th hour (which is 3PM). Sabbath begins at sundown on Friday, Preparation Day. So, you can see that Jesus died before the Sabbath Day began. Additionally, He died approximately 6 hours before sunset which allowed the time that was necessary for others to remove Him from the cross and place Him in the tomb, thereby not requiring work of THEM after the Sabbath began.

      Even Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James waited until the Sabbath Day was complete before finishing their burial preparations of Jesus’ body:

      ” And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.” Mark 16:1 KJV

      And it wasn’t until the Sabbath Day was passed that Jesus rose (on the third day) and began His work again.

      Even in death, Jesus rested on the Sabbath Day. I would say that He considers Sabbath Day keeping as important. As Christians, are we not to be followers of Jesus. Should we not also keep God’s Sabbath Day Holy?

      So, yes, I’d be VERY interested to see scripture that says that Jesus said that the keeping of God’s Sabbath Day isn’t required!

      The Sabbath Day is ETERNAL, friend. It is an everlasting Covenant!

      “Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.” Leviticus 24:8 KJV

      “Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.” Exodus 31:16 KJV

      And you can argue that this Covenant is meant for the Jews. Well, besides that fact that Christians are Abraham’s seed and heirs to the promise, the Sabbath Day was created way before Jews came along. It was created at the time of creation of all things back in Genesis 2:2-3:

      “And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.”

      It is eternal. Everlasting. Perpetual. That means that it existed even before then and will continue to exist forever. We’ll even observe the Sabbath in Heaven!

      “For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.” Isaiah 66:22-23 KJV

      So, yes, please do tell where Jesus said it isn’t required of us the keep the Sabbath Day.

      • Name

        Wow, glad to see there are others who are not lost.

        Yes, the author of this article took scripture out of context and applied their own meaning or understanding to it.

        Paul is addressing the ones who are ALREADY abiding by Gods laws, feast days, holy days etc.

        The OP would have us believe that Paul is condoning having people do whatever they like. He is saying they can believe or worship how they like and that doing so is perfectly acceptable. However, God says it is not acceptable. God says we are to worship him according to His statutes and judgments, so we know OP is wrong.

        So, what is being said in Colossians 2:16,17?

        Paul is telling true believers NOT to be judged by people FOR DOING WHAT IS RIGHT ACCORDING TO GOD. He is telling them to continue doing Gods will and to dismiss those who take offense to it or attempt to use philosophy and false teaching to turn them aside unto fables. He is talking to people who are already obeying and engaging in Gods commandments.

  • Terry Whitted

    What nonsense you write. Of course you would know that if you had done any research into the SDA church.

  • ROSSANO WAGNER

    Dear Jesus’ Disciples,
    This is so clear,
    THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, NOT ONLY FOR THE JEWS,
    and LORD JESUS IS THE LORD OF THE SABBATH, so SABBATH IS THE DAY OF THE LORD.
    Anything beyond this is twisting the Scriptures:

    And He said unto them,
    “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
    Therefore the Son of Man is Lord also of the Sabbath.”
    JESUS
    Mark 2:27-28

  • raelene

    It’s fascinating to me, after reading each of these comments, the similarity I see with every other cult in how this article was received and refuted.
    God preserved his word in the KJV. The translators were the best Hebrew and Greek scholars of their time and spent a great deal of time and a perfect system of teams and committees to do the work with all of the known transcripts available.
    The KJV has stood the test of time.
    But cultists always want to go back to the “original” Greek or Hebrew to make their false points. I call it scriptural gymnastics. Others call it twisting scripture.
    Most professing believers fail to have true spiritual discernment and don’t understand how to rightly divide the word of truth.
    Many arguments for their false beliefs are backed up with scripture which does not pertain to the New Testament Body of Christ, such as all of the non-Pauline epistles, the gospel accounts and the Old Testament way of salvation. Those are not written TO us at this time and, while we can draw from them we cannot establish doctrine from them.
    Many of you in this thread of comments are outraged that the article was written and claim it is false while others who are members of this cult, who also say it is false come back with support of the falsehoods revealed in the article. Fascinating…..
    If we rely on the indwelling Holy Spirit to illuminate the words of the Bible for us we don’t need a Strong’s concordance, which by the way is based on corrupt manuscripts which the translators of the KJV rejected.
    Evidently there are many scholars who are puffed up with pride and believe they have more knowledge and discernment than the translators of the KJV.
    When challenged on their belief system so many cult followers become extremely defensive and begin attacking the messenger who reveals the truth.
    I have observed this for years and it’s similar to anorexia. These people vomit out the meat put before them and willingly cling to their false beliefs which their own Bible will contradict if they understand what rightly dividing is.
    Salvation isn’t an intellectual agreement in the death, burial and bodily resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ for the saving of our souls and the regeneration of our dead spirit. It is a heart belief as stated in Romans 10:9-10.
    Once we are born again we CANNOT be un-born again. Our spirit, from that moment is eternally alive. The Bible says so. Our soul is saved and we cannot lose that. We can only lose our eternal heavenly rewards.
    The Bible clearly says that we are to forgive others because we have ALREADY been forgiven by God. Our past sins were yet future when Christ paid for them at the cross.
    We have no license to sin, but we still do in the flesh. If that was not true we would not die in the flesh. Our spirit and soul don’t die. They just separate from the flesh when we pass away.
    God gave us these wonderfully created and logical minds. He expects us to use them.
    He is a God of order, not chaos and he gave us his word in order to make himself known to us. We should take the plain meaning of what is written and stop trying to put our own mindset into it to make it fit what we already think. We are to let it transform our way of thinking that we might have the mind of Christ.
    Sermon over. Please consider what I have written with an honest heart and take it to the Lord in prayer.

    • Larry / vietnamvet1971

      I agree with your Holy Spirit inspired comments.

      • raelene

        Thank you for your acknowledgement, brother.

    • raelene says….

      “Salvation isn’t an intellectual agreement in the death, burial and
      bodily resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ for the saving of our
      souls and the regeneration of our dead spirit. It is a heart belief
      as stated in Romans 10:9-10.
      Once we are born again we CANNOT be un-born again. Our spirit,
      from that moment is eternally alive. The Bible says so. Our soul is
      saved and we cannot lose that. We can only lose our eternal heav-
      enly rewards.The Bible clearly says that we are to forgive others
      because we have ALREADY been forgiven by God. Our past sins
      were yet future when Christ paid for them at the cross.”

      Thank you Raelene for this biblical truth which applies to the
      dispensation that we now live in ” the age of grace ”

      Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
      8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:
      it is the gift of God:
      9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

      • raelene

        Thanks for acknowledging the truth of the word of God. I hope and pray that others will have the scales taken from their eyes of understanding and will cease to complicate what the Lord wants to know of him.
        God bless you.

    • Kiki

      ALL of the scripture contained in my comments are derived from the KJV. Every.Single.Last.One of them.

      Your comments are continually offensive in nature and not at all Christ-like. And when you ask someone to consider what you have written with an honest heart, you might find more of a desire on the part of those reading your comments to do so if you were to present your “sermons” in a more respectful manner.

      • raelene

        So you have taken offense.
        As you wish……
        I’m sorry you feel the need to make this personal by attacking me with unkind words.
        But I am not surprised. It’s the pattern I have observed for years, dear.

        Each individual is fully responsible for what they choose to believe. I won’t try to force anything on anyone.

  • dean

    I have found that SDAs are a lot like Roman Catholics in that they will not be honest about what they really believe in or they will say they don’t believe what the rest of their cult does. Forget looking at their website for clues on what they believe. You can go to a gay affirming, transsexual ordaining Episcopal Church website and you won’t get a clue as to what kind of abominations are going on behind closed doors. I suggest going to their authority, the writings of Ellen White, for a glimmer into Seventh Day Adventist beliefs. Her ideas can be found in the Clear Word Bible, if you want to call it a Bible. They have removed all references to eternal punishment and even twisted the words of Jesus to suit their dogmas of the Investigative Judgment, the non-existence of hell and soul sleep and Jude 9 refers to Jesus Christ as Michael the Archangel. Keep in mind this book was written by an SDA professor and an SDA university, published by an SDA publishing house and sold in SDA bookstores.

  • raelene

    Satan has been observing humanity for over 6000 years and very well knows how to manipulate and influence us.
    I have noticed with all of the cults and false teachings I have researched over the years there is one thing they all have in common.
    The leaders and teachers who make the videos or write the commentaries use a lot of insignificant sentences and supposed reasoning until the recipients mind is overloaded and then they begin planting the seeds of falsehood concerning their doctrines which are not at all Biblical.
    But for some reason, I suspect mental fatigue the recipient tends to absorb the falsehoods and have already been subtly convinced that those falsehoods are truth or fact because they have become vulnerable and the devil can devour them. It is a form of mind control or brain washing.
    I noticed the same technique as I listened to Doug Batchelor recently and in the past as well as Walter Veith.
    It’s really quite fascinating.
    May the Lord open our eyes to the truth. That is always my prayer because Jesus IS the Way, the TRUTH and the Life.

    • Kiki

      Oh for goodness sake. I came to an understanding of the doctrine of the SDA Church WAY before I even KNEW of the SDA Church!

      It is quite possible for people to glean from scripture as God would have them. That, however, doesn’t seem to fit into your mold as it relates to anything other than your understanding of scripture. Convenient.

      I must say, all this article and its subsequent replies serve to do is provide me with greater confirmation in what Ellen G. White prophesied. She hit the nail squarely on the head. The SDA Church would be persecuted from within the body. This is her prophesy unfolding.

  • raelene

    Fascinating….
    May I ask you who you believe authored the 66 books which makeup the Holy Bible?
    And who do you believe authored Ellen White’s writings?

  • raelene

    And I’m also wondering what your idea of persecution is. Do you think that when someone disagrees with you or tries to reason with you they are persecuting you?

    And the Holy Spirit does not reveal different meanings to different people in the word of God. He may give deeper meaning, but not different. That would be chaos and God is a God of order.

    • Kiki

      Men physically wrote the Bible through the divine inspiration of God. Ellen White wrote Ellen White’s writings as revealed to her by God. No I do not think somebody is being persecuted when someone disagrees with them or is trying to reason with them. However, this is not what I’m finding within the context of these comments. I do think people are being persecuted when they are being insulted and called a cult. I think that people are persecuted when they are being unfairly accused of utilizing mind control or being the victims of said mind control. I think that people are be persecuted when they are being thought of as “brain washed” and mentally overloaded and then subjected to Christianity 101 questions like a lab rats. “Fascinating…”

      Definition of persecution:

      1: the act or practice of persecuting especially those who differ in origin, religion, or social outlook

      2: the condition of being persecuted, harassed, or annoyed

      I’d say that those things qualify.

      I’m not trying to be rude, defensive or insensitive. You asked, I answered.

      John the Baptist challenged the people to prepare for the coming of the Messiah by turning away from sin and being baptized as a symbol of repentance. Ellen White is challenging people to keep God’s Sabbath Day Holy and recognize the Mark of the Beast so that even the elect won’t be deceived. John the Baptist made the way ready for the coming of the Lord. Ellen White is attempting to make the way ready for His second coming. John the Baptist wasn’t in scripture (which at the time was only the OT/Torah) when he was alive and preparing the way. Ellen White isn’t in scripture (which at the time is the OT/NT).

      Did the people of John the Baptist’s time think he was crazy? He was, after all, a camel-hair-clad-locust-eater telling people who were convinced that they were cleansed of sin through their strict adherence to the sacrificial ordinances that they needed to be repent and be baptized.

      Likewise, many of today’s Christians have become the Pharisee equivalent, believing that the Word of God is the ultimate authority yet holding fast to traditions (such as keeping a Sunday “sabbath”) that have evolved over the centuries, blinding them to the truth of God’s Word.

      I’m assuming that you are aware of the lateness of the hour by virtue of the fact that you are partaking in a discussion on a site that focuses its efforts in that regard. So, having said that, do you really think that God would send a prophet to make ready the way for His first coming but not send a prophet to make ready the way for His second coming? Would that not be unscriptural?

      I am in total agreement with you that the Holy Spirit does not reveal different meanings to different people. Furthermore, I believe that the ruler of this world is very capable of blinding people to the Truth of God’s Holy Word and leading them to believe deceptive doctrines. I suppose the question, then, must be…. Who is really being deceived here?

      • raelene

        Revelation 22:18-20
        18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

        20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly.
        Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

        We need no man’s commentary nor do we need anyone to interpret the Holy Bible to us. I rely only on the words of God in the Holy Bible. It’s not difficult to understand. People just complicate it.
        The book of Revelation was the final book of prophecy and the Bible is finished and sealed.
        God is not adding to anything which he has already authored.
        God is the author of the Bible. Men wrote what he told them to write. They did the secretarial work of it, but those words are God’s sacred words.

        If someone declares themselves to be a prophet and only one prophecy fails God tells us that they are a false prophet.

        I’m sorry you feel persecuted because you are not. There is a discussion here. You seem to be taking this whole thing and everything I say as a personal affront. It’s really not about you as an individual. This is about the belief system you and others here adhere to.

        Psalm 119:165
        Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

        Nothing can be added to the finished work of Christ at Calvary. If we add anything to salvation by God’s grace through faith then it no longer is by grace and there is no salvation.
        God does it all, including our sanctification. ALL of our works are as filthy rags in his sight.

        When SDA say there is no eternal torment for unbelievers they are calling God a liar. That is just one of the falsehoods taught. And when anyone gets their teachings from extra-biblical sources they will run into error.

        I am not trying to offend you. I only urge you to put aside everything other than the word of God and seek truth.

        I don’t know you nor am I interested in anything here other than the article which Geoff published here. I try to be a Berean and search the scriptures. It is what we all should do.

        As I have study the Bible, apart from any church or teaching cd’s, commentaries or videos I have had to change many things I believed which I had been taught since my youth. Many of those things just did not line up with the whole of God’s words. I am teachable and the Lord teaches me.

        • Kiki

          Seriously? Are so saying that I should not be offended by the things that you say about me and my church, the cult?

          You don’t know the first thing about me, friend, or my spiritual journey. I was not raised in the SDA church. In fact, I wasn’t saved until I was 33 years old. My family was primarily agnostic, except for my father’s side of the family who are all Catholic. After my rebirth, I initially started going to non-denominational churches. I did this because I didn’t want to get “sucked in” to any man’s doctrine. What I quickly discovered was a) even non-denominational churches have doctrines, and b) that they were “feel good” focused and not scripturally focused. So, I started going to the Baptist church where I remained for many, many years.

          However God’s Holy Spirit was leading me to a different understanding from what I was hearing preached there so, much to the unhappiness of my husband, I stopped going. This is when I became earnest is prayer and seeking greater understanding through God’s Holy Spirit. This personal journey with God lasted about 8 years. So you see, not only am I a cautious person as it relates to church doctrines (to the extent that I even LEFT churches due to the incompatibility of what they were teaches vs what God was teaching me), but I am also primarily without the influence of mans said doctrines as it relates to my personal understandings.

          I only illustrate these things for the purpose of showing you just how ridiculous your claim of brain washing and mind control sounds when it falls on my ears.

          The fact of the matter is that I really had no clue, whatsoever, who the SDA church was or what their doctrine was when I first learned of them. What I DID know, however, was there HERE was FINALLY a church that understood scripture!

          The SDA Church is the most praying church I’ve ever had the pleasure of being in. SDA people are Christians all week, not just on the Sabbath Day. SDA sermons are the most Biblically Christ-centered sermons I’ve ever heard. Yes, they sometimes reference the writing of Mrs. White however, at least in my experience, this doesn’t happen very often. I’ve NEVER heard a sermon that was focused on her writings. Ever. Y’all make it sound like we the SHE’S God. No.

          I have now been a shut-in caregiver for 5 years. I spend hours upon hours a day with the Lord through prayer, fasting, reading of scripture, etc. and yet here you come along and tell me that I need to study scripture and pray. I’m sure you can appreciate how arrogant your suggestions to do so must sound to me.

          You don’t have any idea who I am or what I do yet you have me all figured out.

          And in the spirit of full disclosure, I’m not so offended for myself as much as I am on behalf of the portion of God’s church (and, thus, God) that you continually insult.

          “Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way.” Romans 14:13 KING JAMES VERSION

          I’ll not be responding further. I find no fruits of the Spirit here. On the contrary, all I see is judgment and condemnation which, by the way, is God’s job.

          I’ve said what I have to say and I can only hope and pray that it has done some good. Be well and blessings.

          • raelene

            Yes. Seriously.
            I haven’t said anything about you personally, so no. You have no reason to be offended.
            I am mostly a shut-in. I am isolated and alone except for the Lord.
            I converse with him continually throughout my days and he is the biggest part of my life.

            You have so much as said I am arrogant and that’s far from the truth. I am deeply grieved when anyone refuses what the Lord wants us to know because anyone who puts that wall up is being derived of the great joy in knowing the Lord more intimately.
            There is no arrogance nor pride in that.

            I daily share what the Lord lays on my heart and many receive it gladly because they have great need in the moment to hear what the Lord is saying through me as I obediently share his word with anyone who will receive it. That is a great blessing to my heart.

            I don’t identify myself as any particular denomination or sect. I am simply a humble servant of my Lord and Saviour who has a heart to share him with others.

            I’m sorry you see it any other way, but that’s okay because none of this is about me. Nor is it about you. I refuse to give myself that much importance and normally stay in the shadows of things like this.

            I will say it one more time so that I am not misunderstood. This is not about you and not about me. It is about God, his throne and his sovereignty and eternal truth. That’s where my focus remains.

  • go and sin no more

  • Juan

    I do not considered myself sda church member, since i have.never gone to an sda church, but thanks god one day i run across amazingfacts.com an my life was completly change for the better, and also one day i read one of the books of ellen g white, and i was amazed by the truth spoken in her books, my eyes were completly opened, thanks god i read her books, to anyone who read this, please read her books specially the great controversy, because one day they will be prohibited.
    Please investigate for yourself and do not live by the opinion of others specially by the one who wrote this article!

    • Julie

      Dear Juan…please read THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST ….and THE TRUTH DECLARED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT WILL BLESS YOU
      TO UNDERSTAND .

      E.G.White is preaching another gospel. I have read her book “the great controversy”…and I nearly fell into the deceptive trap…BUT THANK OUR PRECIOUS JESUS AND HIS WRITTEN WORD…I was shown that E.G.White is a tool of Satan and her visions and extra prophecies
      and doctrine is a doctrine coming from Satan .

      May you be blessed to SIMPLY READ THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST AND LISTEN TO HIS VOICE.

      Julie

  • Wes

    What the Seventh Day Adventists seem to overlook is that the Bible contains the words of Jesus Christ who is God, therefore cannot contain error…Elen G. White’s writings contains the words of a regular person be it a Christian or not…can contain errors and obviously should not be regarded on equal grounds with God. Where the writer of this article is terribly mistaken is claiming that we should regard Sunday as the Sabbath day. The fourth commandment is still valid and instructs us to regard the Sabbath day or else you might as well forfeit all of God’s commandments. Regarding the verses in the book of Acts…because that particular day or any day, the Lord’s followers met together and worshiped the Lord on Sunday does not make that day the seventh day of the week and therefore does not make Sunday the Sabbath day. The Lord never changed the Sabbath from the first day to the Seventh day and it does matter because it is the fourth commandment, which was not invalidated by God in the scriptures.

    • Name

      Jesus Christ is NOT God, just like my son is NOT me. Jesus is the Son of God. They are however, one and the same, because their purpose is not in opposition. They are family and Christ is heir.

      My son and I are of the same family. My son also has rights to everything I confer to him. We are of the same ideals and purpose and we carry the same name. In this accord, we are one and the same.

      This is where people get mixed up. Jesus and God are of the same mind and purpose and family. It is in this manner that they are one and the same. Jesus himself tells us this.

      • Gd

        John 1:14 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Verse 14… And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. The Word (Christ) was God…so says the bible.John 1:14 talks about two personages. God the Father and God the Son (Christ). That is why we read in Gen 1:26 “And God said, Let us make man in our image…”. “Let us” and “in our” implies more than two = The Father and Son as the Godhead. Christ existed in the beginning as the Word and has always been God. Paul even knew this, “Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men (Phil 2:6-7). Also read John 5:18; John 10:33; John 14:28; 2Cor 4:4; Col 1:15; Heb 1:3;

      • Julie

        ISAIAH 9:6 ….THE SON…THE MIGHTY GOD…THE EVERLASTING FATHER…THE PRINCE OF PEACE….THIS IS JESUS CHRIST BEFORE HE WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH.

        JESUS CHRIST IS GOD MANIFEST IN THE FLESH.

        AMEN.

      • Mike

        I beg to differ with You! Jesus is God, The secound Person of The Godhead! The Holy Spirit is The Third! They are one, but seperent members of the whole! He now forever connected to us by becoming human, and will be as such for all eternity!

  • Ernie

    I saw this article…I grew in SDA church together wt my whole families. I gone through bible classes and baptised. Keeping Sabbath,restricted food, clothes,reading other books (other than the bible) on Sabbath was not encouraged. As far as i can remember…

    Really? I am longing for God’s presence and not any of the restrictions. We should be encouraged on what Jesus hv done for us and offered us Salvation by just believing in him. Which way? To the cross.

    God does not need u to be very knowledgeable about Him to be saved. Be still and knows that He is God.

    God bless everyone who is discussing the details. Do not be confused…let God works in our heart. Follow Jesus..call upon Him for wisdom..not the docrines… May His peace be upon all His children here.

  • Name

    I am not SDA, nor have I ever been, however, I do keep the 7th day Sabbath according to the ten commandments of God, which are written within the bible. Also which Jesus himself paraphrases we are to do and uphold.

    The seventh day, Saturday, is the Sabbath that God initiated at creation. This has NEVER changed. Those who keep the commanded Sabbath are obeying God! Everyone else are following after TRADITIONS OF MEN.

    ECCLESIASTES 12:13 LET US HEAR THE CONCLUSION OF THE WHOLE MATTER: FEAR GOD, AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: FOR THIS IS THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN.(KJV)

    We are told to keep the commandments. They are NOT suggestions and they apply to everyone, not just the old testament Jews/Israelite’s. Jesus did do away with the levitical priesthood, He also did away with animal sacrifice as He became the ultimate sacrifice and Yes, He is building a spiritual temple. A physical one is not required to fulfill prophecy.

    Israel is now also no longer just physical Israel. It is now also spiritual. The definition of Israel are those who keep the commandments of God, both Jew and Gentile alike (according to the in-grafting) to this very day! These are what make up Israel! IT IS Those who are doing Gods will according to his perpetual covenant AND COMMANDMENTS which Christ perfected AND walked in himself, but DID NOT DO AWAY WITH.

    Jesus Christ did NOT come to do away with the law. He came to fulfill it. His death opened up the POSSIBILITY OF salvation unto all, instead of just for the Jews/Israelite’s according to the in-grafting spoken of within scripture. Salvation is NOT guaranteed. By your fruits you will be known! Faith is dead without works! (keeping Gods laws and days).

    Jesus Christ also (KEEPS) the 7th day Sabbath and other feast and holy days. He also instigated the Lords supper at the time of the Passover just prior to his crucifixion, telling us to observe it. He was crucified and raised up on Saturday at dusk after spending 72 hours in the tomb. He gave us the sign of Jonah to correlate this. At the time of his death, there were TWO SABBATHS IN THE WEEK OF HIS CRUCIFIXION. The weekly Sabbath and a holy high day. Read your bible and you will see this is true. Easter Sunday is a pagan event that is created by man and is in contention with God and Christ, as is Christmas and also Sunday worship. THOSE ARE TRADITIONS OF MEN.

    AGAIN ON EASTER….KJV bible specifically shows that Jesus was in the tomb for 72 hours! look it up. If you can’t see this, then you are in denial, spiritually blind, or a false teacher.

    You are also blind to what the following scripture TRULY says. {Colossians 2:16,17 (KJV)} PAUL IS NOT SAYING PEOPLE HAVE FREEDOM TO BREAK GODS COMMANDMENTS!! Paul is in fact TELLING PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTIVELY KEEPING GODS LAWS TO IGNORE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO SPEAK AGAINST DOING SO!

    HE IS SAYING THAT THOSE WHO ARE IN FACT KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS NEED NOT BE BOTHERED BY THOSE WHO JUDGE IN OPPOSITION TO GOD! HE IS TELLING US TO KEEP STRONG IN FAITH, WORSHIP AND THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD AND NOT TO LET OTHERS OPINION OR FALSE BELIEF INTERFERE WITH YOUR/OUR WORKS. DON’T LET OTHERS STEAL YOUR CROWN!

    YOU ARE IN FACT ONE OF THE JUDGES THAT HE IS SPEAKING AGAINST, BECAUSE YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE THIS SCRIPTURE WARNS CHRISTIANS (WHO DO GODS WILL) NOT TO BE JUDGED BY! WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS ATTEMPTING TO RATIONALIZE BREAKING GODS LAWS FOR YOUR OWN TRADITIONS AND CRITICIZING THOSE WHO ARE KEEPING GODS LAWS. PAUL IS TELLING THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW THE COMMANDMENTS AND GODS HOLY DAYS AS WELL AS THE BIBLICAL CLEAN FOODS ECT, NOT TO BE DISCOURAGED BY PEOPLE WHO CLAIM THAT THEY ARE WRONG FOR DOING SO.

    AS FOR “SHADOWS OF THINGS TO COME”, EVERYONE WILL ULTIMATELY FOLLOW GODS COMMANDMENTS, FEAST DAYS (SUKKOT OR FEAST OF BOOTH/TABERNACLES) AND HOLY DAYS IN THE FUTURE, NOT JUST THOSE WHO ARE DOING SO NOW AND WHO ARE BEING WRONGLY JUDGED BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU. EMULATE CHRIST. HE SHOWED US WHAT TO DO AND HE IS PERFECT. HE KEEPS GODS LAWS AND COMMANDMENTS, HE SET THE EXAMPLE AND TOLD US TO DO SO AS WELL TO HONOR GOD OUR FATHER.

    YOU HAVE TWISTED SCRIPTURE TO FIT YOUR OWN AGENDA. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO LIE, YET, YOU MAKE HIM OUT A LAIR.

    Exodus 31:12And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 13Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. 14Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. 15Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

    DID YOU READ VERSE 17? THE 7TH DAY SABBATH IS A PERPETUAL COVENANT AND IS THE SIGN BETWEEN GOD AND HIS PEOPLE FOREVER! (ISRAEL, SPIRITUAL AND PHYSICAL, ACCORDING TO THE IN-GRAFTING)

    {{THE DEFINITION OF PERPETUAL IS: WITHOUT END.}} THE OBSERVANCE OF GODS SABBATH IS WHAT SETS GODS PEOPLE APART FROM OTHERS. IT IS IN PART, WHAT IDENTIFIES AND DIVIDES THE WHEAT FROM THE CHAFF.

    SO TO SUMMARIZE. GOD DOES NOT LIE. WHAT YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO IS JUSTIFY SOME MISCONSTRUED CONTEXT FOR ENGAGING IN ACTIVITY THAT GOD SPECIFICALLY WARNS US HE WILL NOT TOLERATE. PAUL IS NOT ADDRESSING THOSE WHO TRANSGRESS THE LAW HE IS INSTEAD, TALKING TO THOSE WHO UPHOLD IT.

    IN FOLLOWING AFTER FALSE TEACHERS OR PRACTICES LIKE YOU OR KEEPING TRADITIONS OF MEN DOING THEM IN PLACE OF GODS COMMANDMENTS, YOU ARE BREAKING GODS LAWS AND TEACHING OTHERS THAT IT IS ACCEPTABLE TO DO SO.

    You wrote;

    “If Sunday worship is the “mark of the beast” as the SDA will try and tell you, then the apostle Paul himself is in Hell right now. See how silly and unbiblical the SDA doctrine is? The Sabbath Day was a command given only to the Jews, and never imposed on the Christian Church. In fact, Paul says we have the freedom in Christ to meet and worship any day of the week.”

    “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.” Colossians 2:16,17 (KJV)

    Now, as for Hellen White, I don’t agree with what she has to say. READ YOUR BIBLE PEOPLE AND LEAN NOT ON YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING, BUT LEARN TO DIVIDE THE TRUTH AND KEEP THINGS IN CONTEXT. ABOVE ALL, GLORIFY AND FEAR GOD BY KEEPING HIS COMMANDMENTS AS IS OUR DUTY AND PURPOSE.

    • Gd

      Spot on!!Jesus Christ even says, “…The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath. Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath” (Mark 2:27-28). To paraphrase, the Sabbath is for man (not Jews/Israelites only) and Christ is the Lord of the Sabbath (7th day of the week = Saturday) not Lord of Sunday. Geoffrey Grider has erred on this point.

  • Aileen

    If you really would like to know the truth, instead of what someone thinks they know, check out this YouTube video.

    • name

      You said;

      If you really would like to know the truth, instead of what someone thinks they know, check out this YouTube video.

      My reply;

      So…..what you are saying is that you THINK this guy THINKS he knows the truth?

      Sorry, I can’t watch the video, but please realize what you are saying!

      Just because this fellow says it is truth and you do also, does not make that a fact. I hope the guy speaks the truth, but anyone worth their salt will verify scripture themselves, especially when it is being presented by others who may be be wrong on some or all counts or equally correct on some or all.

      Peace.

    • Joseph

      I thought they kicked Doug Batchelor out, or at least marginalized him? Let is not make idols of men who impress us to the point we stop praying to God. This man has a good handle on scripture, but then, so does the evil one. Let us be careful about the words of men, and put our trust in God first and foremost.

  • raelene

    This whole issue of the Sabbath and Sunday worship is mostly misunderstood by most believers, even those who worship on the first day of the week which is Sunday.
    First of all, the Bible makes it clear the early church did meet on the first day of the week, just as the disciples were gathered together on the first day of the week when Christ resurrected from the grave.
    That actually began that tradition and is a weekly celebration of his resurrection. The Wednesday night prayer meetings which have been observed for centuries are also a tradition in remembrance of the day of the crucifixion of Christ when the disciples had been in prayer.
    These observances were being done long before the Babylonian religion took on the disguise of Christianity and became Roman Catholicism in the 4th century after the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.
    The Sabbath is still the 7th day of the week and the end/last day of the week.
    Sunday is the 8th day and is the day of New Beginnings and a picture of the New Heaven and New Earth and eternity future following the 1000 year Sabbath during the millennial reign of Christ on the earth.
    Everything God created and established is a picture of the spiritual.
    The Body/Bride is part of a spiritual and heavenly kingdom, the kingdom of God.
    Israel and all those who are saved and still remain alive at the end of the tribulation will in the earthly kingdom of heaven. They will all be in physical bodies while we will be in a new glorified body.
    When we get the correct perspective and understanding most things will make sense and fall into order.

    • name

      You said;

      First of all, the Bible makes it clear the early church did meet on the first day of the week, just as the disciples were gathered together on the first day of the week when Christ resurrected from the grave.

      My input;

      Easter Sunday is NOT biblical. It is a false pagan ritual instigated by men, contrary to Gods will and which Christians are instructed to avoid. Also, there is NOTHING wrong with having a meeting on a Sunday to discuss distributing the message or debating scriptural application, however, that does not make it Sabbath. It is likely that these meeting had more to do with planning and discussions on formulating spreading the gospel and travel plans or message presentation criteria between disciples/apostles. We call it a planning committee, with a meeting of elders or such. There is no wrong time to do that sort of thing, except maybe on the Sabbath when the focus should be on Glorifying God. In any case, sound doctrine is best given by sharpening iron with iron. Also, don’t forget this. Several Disciples each gave their own account of the Crucifixion and Resurrection and other surrounding elements mentioned within the bible. The time to do this would likely have been very close to those occurrences and this should be taken into consideration that this may have the reason for these Sunday meetings also.

      Sunday btw is THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK. A week does not contain 8 days. lol.

      For those who are not aware that Easter Sunday is a pagan holiday, you need to read you bible and understand that there were two Sabbaths during the week Jesus was crucified.

      Knowing this truth, we see that the bible proves that Jesus was NOT resurrected on Sunday. The bible is very clear on this. Just to present the information, He was laid to rest for a full 72 hours period in the tomb. He was resurrected on Saturday at evening time. Thus, He had already risen prior to Sunday.

      Peace.

      • raelene

        I have little to say about your error here. I will just prove what I’ve said with scripture after I correct a misconception you have that I ever mentioned Easter. I did not say anything at all about Easter. Please read more carefully.

        I would encourage you to read your Bible because this is what it says about your false corrections of what I have written.:
        The eighth day is scriptural and is actually mentioned 21 times in the Bible. It represents new beginning and eternity future.
        One example:
        Numbers 29:35
        On the eighth day ye shall have a solemn assembly: ye shall do no servile work therein:

        Jesus resurrected on the first/8th day of the week:
        Matthew 28:1-10
        1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. 2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: 4 and for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. 5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. 6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. 7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you. 8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
        9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him. 10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.
        Mark 16:9
        Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

        This was not a business meeting. Paul was preaching:
        Acts 20:7
        And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

        Pentecost, when the Church was born happened on the first/8th day (new beginning)

        • Gary

          Dear Raelene, The point of Bible study is to dig deep into God’s Word and search for hidden truth. The revelation of God and His truth is constantly unfolding. When we are presented with something new to our understanding we should be like the Bereans and “with all readiness of mind…search the scriptures daily [to see] whether those things were so” (Acts 17:11). Paul admonishes us in 2 Timothy 2:15 to: “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” And again: “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good” (1 Timothy 5:21).

          My goal in life is to follow the direction given in Scriptures, live for Christ and share the truth with as many people as I can (in accordance with His command in Matthew 28:18-20) while there is still time remaining. Because of this commitment, it is extremely important to me that I am following Scripture and not “the tradition of men” (Mark 7:8). That being the case, please consider these comments:

          The disciples did meet on Sunday as you have stated, but they also met on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, etc. Saying that proves nothing. The Bible no where authorizes a change from the true Lord’s day (see Is. 58:13) to a manmade tradition in violation of God’s fourth commandment. Exodus 20:8-11 gives the command in full, and it is not the shortened 3rd commandment of the Catholic Church: “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.” They cut out all the meat that gives the command definition as to time of observance, reason and authority.

          The reason given in the 4th Commandment for keeping the seventh-day holy is creation. The commandment was originally given before sin entered the world, as seen in Genesis 2:3, and it did not originate at Mt. Sinai. Clearly God’s people knew the requirements of God before the Exodus, because the Lord says of Abraham that he “obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws” (Genesis 26:5). Only when the commandment is brought into question do the writers of the Bible clarify God’s Word.

          The verse you alluded to for authority is John 20:19. You wrote: “just as the disciples were gathered together on the first day of the week when Christ resurrected from the grave.” The disciples were together, but they were not celebrating anything. The verse says “the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews.” In fact, Jesus words were given to calm them–“Peace be unto you.” Until they saw Jesus, they were in fear for their lives. This verse says nothing about a worship service.

          Next you state: “That actually began that tradition and is a weekly celebration of his resurrection.” When referring to man made tradition, Jesus said “Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition” (Mark 7:9). The topic at hand in these verses is somewhat different, but the principle is the same: men cannot set aside a commandment of God to keep their traditions. Christ Himself actually set aside a memorial of His crucifixion and resurrection with the practice of the Lord’s supper.

          You also wrote: “Sunday is the 8th day and is the day of New Beginnings…” References to Sunday as the eighth day come from the Gnostic gospels of Barnabas (15:2) and Enoch (33:7). Gnostics saw all created matter as evil, and so on the eighth day, or the spiritual “New Beginning” they celebrated their rest. In his book “The Millennial Controversy in the Early Church,” Martin Erdmann wrote:

          “Yet another, even more convincing, explanation for the origin of the ‘millennial rest’ motif in the Epistle of Barnabas might be found in the primarily Gnostic concept of the eighth day. The eighth day, the ‘ogdoad’, was an important part of the Pythagorean number-mysticism. It cannot be conclusively established that Barnabas was familiar with this kind of pagan mysticism. He might have encountered the same idea in the writings of Hellenistic Jews.”

          The Hellenistic Jews sought to amalgamate Greek philosophy with the Word of God. From this mixing of truth with error, Plato’s teaching that man has an immortal soul seeped into Christian teaching. This Hellenistic infiltration of Christianity is brought into prominence in Revelation 13:2, where John describes this sea beast as “like unto a leopard.” If you will remember from Daniel 7, the leopard beast in Daniel dream represented the kingdom of Greece. At the time of Christ, and continuing to our day, Greek philosophy has been the foundation of the world’s system of culture and government. It is no surprise then that it has made inroads into the church.

          You also stated that “the millennial reign of Christ” will take place on this earth. Where does the Bible say the millennium will be spent on the earth? As I read it, the Bible it says when Christ comes “every mountain and island were moved out of their places” (Rev. 6:14), “there were lightenings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.” While this earth is being destroyed, the righteous dead hear “the voice of the archangel…and the dead in Christ shall rise” (1 Thess. 4:16). “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord” (v. 17).

          Jeremiah 4:23-28, describes the condition the earth is left in when Christ and the saints return to heaven for the millennium. Satan is left with nothing until Christ returns with the New Jerusalem at the end of the millennium. Then the wicked are raised to suffer “the second death” (Rev. 20:14). Once the earth is purged and the fire is extingished, then Christ will create “all things new” (Rev. 21:5).

          God bless us as we seek His face. Maranatha!

  • Pete

    “The New Testament does not re-enact the law of the tithe, as it does not that of the Sabbath; for the validity of both is assumed.” – Ellen White “The Faith I Live By” pg 244

    The lying profit-ess even admits to her demonic assumption theology. Add to this the late-term abortions being performed at the SDA hospitals since the 1970s and even a novice can understand their motives. That church has destroyed many lives and I pray that the remaining members will find the truth and leave that evil organization.

    • aka The watchman1888

      It’s quite obvious that you didn’t do your homework and be a good investigator.
      The book “The Faith I Live By is a devotional book not written by her.

      The Faith I Live By was compiled under the direction of the Board of Trustees of the Ellen G. White publications, who carry the responsibility of the care and publication of the E. G. White writings. The work has been done in harmony with Mrs. White’s instruction to the Trustees providing for the printing of compilations from her writings. {FLB 6.6}

      What you quoted was taken out of context. I will share the whole section and where it came from and then you will see the truth in what she did say.
      This comes from Review and Herald May 16, 1882, par 27-29.

      A tithe of all our increase is the Lord’s. He has reserved it to himself to be employed for religious purposes. It is holy. Nothing less than this has he accepted in any dispensation. A neglect or postponement of this duty, will provoke the divine displeasure. If all professed Christians would faithfully bring their tithes to God, his treasury would be full. They would have no occasion to resort to fairs, lotteries, or parties of pleasure, to extort means from worldlings for the support of the gospel. {RH May 16, 1882, par. 27}
      The very same language is used concerning the Sabbath as in the law of the tithe: “The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.” Man has no right nor power to substitute the first day for the seventh. He may pretend to do this; “nevertheless, the foundation of God standeth sure.” The customs and teachings of men will not lessen the claims of the divine law. God has sanctified the seventh day. That specified portion of time, set apart by God himself for religious worship, continues as sacred today as when first hallowed by our Creator. In like manner a tithe of our income is “holy unto the Lord.” The New Testament does not re-enact the law of the tithe, as it does not that of the Sabbath; for the validity of both is assumed, and their deep spiritual import explained. {RH May 16, 1882, par. 28}
      God has made an absolute reservation of a specified portion of our time and our means. To ignore these claims is to rob God. Christians boast that their privileges far exceed those of the Jewish age. Shall we then be content to give less to the cause of God than did his ancient people? The tithe was but a part of their liberalities. Numerous other gifts were required besides the free-will offering, or offering of gratitude, which was then, as now, of perpetual obligation. {RH May 16, 1882, par. 29}

  • Mark

    Mr Grider says ….
    “If God instituted the “Sabbath” before the “Fall of Man,” it seems strange that the fact is not recorded in Genesis”

    Does it then seem “strange” that there is no record of the law against adultery and murder and so on? Or are you saying that people were free to murder and commit adultery and so on before the exodus?

    Your argument is very weak and flawed I’m afraid.

  • Mark

    Mr Grider,

    If you simply read the 4th commandment, you will see that God calls the seventh day OF CREATION week …. The SABBATH DAY.

    So the Sabbath day WAS instituted at creation before the fall. God said so! :o)

  • Sharon

    I do not know about most of the things written here’s truth. I can say that I work in an SDA owned organization and it is wonderful to have the freedom to pray with others, at meetings, or to speak the name of God in your place of work. Our church, a UMC church, d sold our building and we’re building a new facility. While doing so we rented the local ADAs sanctuary for Sunday services. If they felt we were heathens don’t think they would let us do that. Also there were many Bibles in their facility and they were exactly the same as the ones we used. I have also never heard anyone who was ADA mention any of the things in the above article. Are there some who take their interpretation of their faith to far, yes there are, but I know people in many different denominations and many different faiths who do the same thing. We as Christians would be a lot better off if we worked on bringing the world the joy and freedom and relationship with Christ brings than arguing amongst ourselves about what day we should worship etc. Personally I don’t think God cares what day we celebrate the Sabbath. It’s more about taking a day TO celebrate the Sabbath and put God first above the world.

  • Praise God We all bless the almighty Father in Heaven for sparing our souls the best sacrifice and worth living for and serving to let others Know about Love may His Name be Glorified in Heaven and on Earth.

    God is a God of second chances if He forgave you yesterday and tody he will forgive you. But shall we continue to sins because there is Grace towards us? No!…

    My Grammar may not be the best but I know for sure the Bible is a true Word of God. God I don’t care who wrote it what I know is it has hoped me to see again sooo clearly about my past my present and my future.

    I was not there when EGWhite was Born because even my self I was told about my Birth and the day I was born what I have come to realize is that there some Level of truth in her writings because all of them are based on the Bible the Book I Love so much and I believe Late EGWhite was speaking the truth.

    What I don’t like is equating her with God where by if your preaching and you don’t mention her Name then you are not a true Seventh day Adventist! To me that is wrong she is a mortal and that’s where her borns are still in her grave. For that I don’t think its write to Equate God and late EGWhite.

    Is the Sabbath True according to the Bible? Yes its true, And thats why we have this debate on the true ness of the Holy Sabbath. Read the Bible like how I did you will find the truth

    Proverbs 8:17
    Darby Bible Translation
    I love those that love me; and they that seek me early shall find me.

    Cross References

    John 7:37
    In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

    John 14:21
    He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

    James 1:5
    If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

    1 Samuel 2:30
    Wherefore the LORD God of Israel saith, I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the LORD saith, Be it far from me; for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.

    2 Chronicles 34:3
    For in the eighth year of his reign, while he was yet young, he began to seek after the God of David his father: and in the twelfth year he began to purge Judah and Jerusalem from the high places, and the groves, and the carved images, and the molten images.

    Proverbs 1:28
    Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

    Proverbs 2:4
    If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;

    If we seek God we shall find Him through the Scripture praying and fasting.

    I am not the Seventh day Adventist Church institution Spokesman/person but I know who I believed in and One day He stand on the Clouds to call everyone Home be on the right side Chose Jesus as your personal Savior be Baptised and you shall be safe.

    Let’s all read the Bible with understanding let’s engage the Holy Spirit to help us understand the Word of God in its depth and all shall be well.
    Are We Seventh day Adventist a Christian institution Yes it is.

    Do I believe in God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit? Yes we do.

    Do I believe in the true Baptism of emassion? Yes we do.

    De I believe that Jesus Christ Died and He was raised on the Third Day and the first day of the week yes we do.

    Do I Believe in the Second Advent of Jesus Christ Yes we do.

    If you believe in these things then you’re a true Adventist

    This is my simple understanding of where i have come from and I am and I will be.

    Either Russuelians or JWs and SDAs and EGWs I now know God is God is not human to lie

  • Praise God for His Love towards u. We bless the almighty Father in Heaven for sparing our souls and Jesus Christ the best sacrifice and worth living for and serving to let others Know about the His Love, may His Name be Glorified in Heaven and on Earth.

    God is a God of second chances if He forgave you yesterday and today he will forgive you. But shall we continue to sins because there is Grace towards us? No!…

    Romans 6:1 Additional Commentaries
    Context
    Dead to Sin, Alive to God
    1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?…
    Cross References
    Romans 3:5
    But if our unrighteousness brings out God’s righteousness more clearly, what shall we say? That God is unjust in bringing his wrath on us? (I am using a human argument.)

    Romans 3:8
    Why not say–as some slanderously claim that we say–“Let us do evil that good may result”? Their condemnation is just!

    Romans 5:20
    The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,

    Romans 6:15
    What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means!

    My Grammar may not be the best but I know for sure the Bible is a true Word of God. God I don’t care who wrote it what I know is it has hoped me to see again sooo clearly about my past my present and my future.

    I was not there when EGWhite was Born because even my self I was told about my Birth and the day I was born what I have come to realize is that there some Level of truth in her writings because all of them are based on the Bible the Book I Love so much and I believe Late EGWhite was speaking the truth.

    What I don’t like is equating her with God where by if your preaching and you don’t mention her Name then you are not a true Seventh day Adventist! To me that is wrong she is a mortal and that’s where her borns are still in her grave. For that I don’t think its write to Equate God and late EGWhite.

    Is the Sabbath True according to the Bible? Yes its true, And thats why we have this debate on the true ness of the Holy Sabbath.

    Read the Bible like how I did you will find the truth

    Proverbs 8:17
    Darby Bible Translation
    I love those that love me; and they that seek me early shall find me.

    Cross References

    John 7:37
    In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

    John 14:21
    He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

    James 1:5
    If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

    1 Samuel 2:30
    Wherefore the LORD God of Israel saith, I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the LORD saith, Be it far from me; for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.

    2 Chronicles 34:3
    For in the eighth year of his reign, while he was yet young, he began to seek after the God of David his father: and in the twelfth year he began to purge Judah and Jerusalem from the high places, and the groves, and the carved images, and the molten images.

    Proverbs 1:28
    Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

    Proverbs 2:4
    If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;

    If we seek God we shall find Him through the Scripture praying and fasting.

    I am not the Seventh day Adventist Church institution Spokesman/person but I know who I believed in and One day He stand on the Clouds to call everyone Home be on the right side Chose Jesus as your personal Savior be Baptised and you shall be safe.

    Let’s all read the Bible with understanding let’s engage the Holy Spirit to help us understand the Word of God in its depth and all shall be well.
    Are We Seventh day Adventist a Christian institution Yes it is.

    Do I believe in God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit? Yes we do.

    Do I believe in the true Baptism of emassion? Yes we do.

    De I believe that Jesus Christ Died and He was raised on the Third Day and the first day of the week yes we do.

    Do I Believe in the Second Advent of Jesus Christ Yes we do.

    If you believe in these things then you’re a true Adventist

    This is my simple understanding of where i have come from and I am and I will be.

    Either Russuelians or JWs and SDAs and EGWs I now know God is God is not human to lie

  • Heidi K.

    The disciples worshiped on Sundays, it’s in the Holy Bible. Please do some research about the SDA cult.

    • Julie

      Dear Heidi K……maybe this will bless you with understanding…ACTS 2: 46,47….ACTS 2:42,43,44,45,46,47.

      I see that THE WORD OF GOD is telling us that the followers of OUR PRECIOUS LORD JESUS ….WORSHIPED EVERYDAY ❤️

  • Pauline Thompson

    Much to my dismay, I read Geoffrey’s posts. I must tell you, Geoffrey, I chose to become an Adventist after studying several other ‘Christian’ denominations. And I found absolute truth, because the SDAs teach truths from the Bible. Have you never heard that we are called People of the Book, because we use the Bible and the Bible alone to interpret Itself? My prayer is that you will ask the Holy Spirit to take all that anger & hostiity you feel against us, ask for God’s forgiveness in spreading such lies & look to the Bible, look to Jesus, for ‘there is no other name, given umongst men, where we can be saved.’

  • Tyrone Beamsley

    I think you might need to do a bit more research, Ellen G White says she is the lesser light (her writings) to the greater light.
    She has only gathered her doctrines after carefull study of the word of God, Ellen G Whites writings are merely a reference guide and a help to understanding the word of God.
    As Seventh Day adventists, we follow the 10 commandments, in no way do we claim to be part of the mainstream Christian faiths, as we need to stand out from the crowd, recognised for being bible followers.
    God is a being that focuses on every detail, no detail is to small, i mean the evidence is around you. We as his creation are to mirror him, to be like christ, who is one with the father, everg detail must not be overlooked.
    If you dont believe in EGW, then simply follow the bible, cause most mainstream christians are not following the bible, they follow their own interpretation.

    But there is no way around this inherent fact that the end is near and that we are to be ready to rid ourselves of sin and all the nastiness that comes with it.
    And if you believe one hundred percent that as soon as your baptised, and that is all you need, you must be crazy, you are still able to sin after baptism.
    Being baptised does not make you impervious to sin, you must be mad, ofcourse it takes more, but its your decision as to what you want to believe. Im not ignorant to the fact that baptism only gets me to a closer walk with him, i am now made new, reborn to a new sin free body. And we need to keep it that way, by turning from all the things that made you sin or tempt you to sin again.
    Its common sense.

    God bless

    • Ellen G. White is no light at all, she is darkness because she taught lies.

      • Tyrone beamsley

        Tell me how she has taught lies, have you actually read her books. They all have references to scripture. She doesn’t claim to have any authority, save that which is blessed by God.
        You must actually read her writings before criticising them, otherwise you are just being ignorant.

        • dean

          Ok, then I’ll do it. She has referenced God as the “all seeing eye”, stated that certain races of men are an amalgamation of man and beast, said that Jesus was Michael the Archangel, and spewed out a whole lot of false prophecies, including she would be one of the living saints when Christ returned.

  • chyme stanley

    The bible clearly states that if you keep 9 and fail in 1 of the commandments, you will not make heaven… It’s that simple. Sabbath is Saturday not Sunday and it should be kept. The Catholic church changed it to Sunday hundreds of years ago (consult Google and/or historians) it’s a fact and you guys should stand up for the truth and stop being sentimental. You’re blind folded and you have to wake up now.

    • The apostles worshipped on a Sunday, nearly 250 years BEFORE the Catholic Church was created in 325 AD. But nice try!

      “And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.” Acts 20:7 (KJV)

      • matai

        The commandment does not say remember the Sabbath day to Worship, it says remember the Sabbath day to KEEP it Holy. Christians should Worship everyday, but we can not make anything Holy only God can do that.

      • Brian

        Lets for one second assume that the Holy day of worship is Sunday. Do you mean to tell us that Christians cannot worship or pray or preach or praise on Monday, or Tuesday or Thursday for that matter? That is the funniest (no harm or ridicule intended) justification for a day of worship that I have ever heard.

        Christians ought to worship on the Sabbath AND on any other day they feel like. It is not possible to evangelize to all the people in the world on that one day of the week alone. Even the Christians who already observe that day need spiritual nourishment and they can read the Bible, discuss, sing and praise God on any other day they feel like or have time or have scheduled for. But on the Sabbath day, they are not asked or requested to go to church. God commanded and that is why it is one of the commandments.

    • joseph

      So if people who love God, who have spent their lives praying to Him and studying what Jesus taught–they’re all too-bad, so-sad because they didn’t go to church on the correct day. What a shame for those of you who hold such a judgement over these people who never heard what you consider “the truth”. You prove the point of this article more than you hold up the Word of the Father, Chyme. That is for you to sort out. As for me, and those who have criticized your earthly-measuring “church”, we will continue to put our trust in the Father. I’m pretty sure He loves all His children and will not condemn us for the sake of the calendar. Nor will He condemn those who attend on Saturday, or on Wednesday, or whatever. Those who hold Him first in their hearts, He knows them.

      • Jeanie Jura

        Actually, they have found a way around that particular problem by saying that you are responsible only for what you know. So if you have not known about the 7th day, you are not lost because you didn’t keep it. Which leads to a rather interesting problem – using that logic, they are causing people to lose their salvation by getting them into the meetings and telling them about the sabbath. Anyone who does not accept it is lost from then on because they heard but didn’t obey it. So their meetings are actually (in their opinion) causing people to be lost, not saved. Wonder if they have thought of that……

    • sandra

      How does a person “keep” the Sabbath anyway? By going to church?

  • Tyrone beamsley

    Geoffrey Grider, I urge you to tell me, at what point does the bible say in this passage of scripture (Acts 20:7) that they revered that day as the sabbath. They worshipped on that day, it does not say they hallowed it and made it holy. God is the only one that made an actual commandment to follow the sabbath day. If you can find an actual piece of scripture, which states that their was an authentic change from the observed sabbath (Saturday) and the now current, man appointed Sunday, then I will leave my faith and follow you.

    By all means, show me the way.

    Thanks

  • Julie

    To Mike and all believers of E.G.White….HERE IS A VERSE FROM THE WORD OF THE LIVING GOD …REVELATION 19::10…THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST IS THE SPIRIT OF
    PROPHECY.
    ONLY JESUS CHRIST HAS CLAIM TO THESE WORDS.!
    But the SDA doctrine states …the testimony of E.G.White is the spirit of prophecy.
    There can only be one truth.

    The Truth = THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST IS THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY .

    (E.G.WHITE Is also called “the last day prophet” …BUT SDA followers need to read HEBREWS 1: 1 ,2. AND ACTS 3:22,23….and understand THE TRUTH ABOUT SDA AND E.G.WHITE!

  • Mike Bird

    According to this article, I pretty much don’t believe anything that “All Seventh-Day Adventists” believe.

  • Pauline Thompson thank you for the Simplicity in your approach towards this sensitive matter and may God richly Bless you.

    Yes its true the Late EGWhite is not the light and she will never be she died long time ago and so is Prophet Elisha and Prophets who are now the Dust of this Earth that we walk on the Bible is very Clear about who is the Light

    Psalm 119:104-106
    Thy Word
    …104From Your precepts I get understanding; Therefore I hate every false way. Nun. 105Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path. 106I have sworn and I will confirm it, That I will keep Your righteous ordinances.…

    Cross References

    2 Peter 1:19
    We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.

    Proverbs 6:23
    For this command is a lamp, this teaching is a light, and correction and instruction are the way to life,

    These verses disqualify her from being the light but Matthew talks about it differently

    Matthew 5:14

    Salt and Light

    13″You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men. 14″You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden; 15nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.…

    Cross References

    Proverbs 4:18
    The path of the righteous is like the morning sun, shining ever brighter till the full light of day.

    John 8:12
    When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

    John 9:5
    While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

    John 12:36
    Believe in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light.” When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them.

    Philippians 2:15
    so that you may become blameless and pure, “children of God without fault in a warped and crooked generation.” Then you will shine among them like stars in the sky

    Revelation 1:20
    The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.

    Revelation 2:5
    Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.

    What shall we about these verses that tells us that we are the light of the Earth?

    Yes she was the light of the World and so you’re you may chose through the free will God gave you to either let the light shine or let the Darkness cover everything on Earth its your free will its Either Christ or Satan no Middle Ground.

    Let’s always read the Bible for the sake of understanding Gods word towards us and what is telling to do in accomplishing His great work here on Earth He has made His representatives as long as we accept and take Jesus Christ as our Personal Savior

    He says in the Bible I have made you gods meaning our true likeness is more of Him and His true likeness is more of us though mortal

    Psalm 82:5-7
    God Presides in the Great Assembly
    …5They do not know nor do they understand; They walk about in darkness; All the foundations of the earth are shaken. 6I said, “You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High. 7″Nevertheless you will die like men And fall like any one of the princes.”…

    Cross References

    John 10:34
    Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”‘?

    Psalm 8:5
    You have made them a little lower than the angels and crowned them with glory and honor.

    Psalm 82:1
    A psalm of Asaph. God presides in the great assembly; he renders judgment among the “gods”:

    Psalm 89:26
    He will call out to me, ‘You are my Father, my God, the Rock my Savior.’

    Ezekiel 28:2
    “Son of man, say to the ruler of Tyre, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: “‘In the pride of your heart you say, “I am a god; I sit on the throne of a god in the heart of the seas.” But you are a mere mortal and not a god, though you think you are as wise as a god.

    Zechariah 12:8
    On that day the LORD will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the LORD going before them.

    So EGWhite did what she could do best guided by the Holy Spirit and these are the greatest books we can read now.

    I may not really support what the Church is doing and level of lifting her Name up almost To Gods Level that I don’t support and I don’t like I can’t go to Church to preach in refferance of Late EGWHITE in fact why can’t we reffere even prophet Elijah, Elisha? But her writings are true.

  • This is a Pentecostal Church Pastor Talking about Sabbath
    https://youtu.be/mqZp-eMzEko

  • Here is Pastor Wooden from The Baptist Church testifying about Sabbath
    https://youtu.be/HxRG2zikmbQ

  • This is Catholic Priest who volutaliry chose to speak the truth. interestingly than accepting the truth they edited the video and he was called an Actor hahahahahahaha
    https://youtu.be/cpOK_UH0TT4

  • Shannon

    It is not what you do but who you know. If you know your Saviour and have a prayerful close relationship with Him you will want to follow Him and obey His commandments. It’s really very simple…

  • raelene

    1 John 3:23
    And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

  • Eze Chinda

    This is Catholic church in disguise discrediting Seventh-day Adventist Church and one of her founders Ellen White as a cult group and and a fake prophetess respectively. I am not surprised. People revere the Pope and take up his inventions like Sunday worship and Christmas to be on the 25th December. These are areas where the Adventists have faulted them and they try to paint the image of the church black. The mark of the beast is in the bible and has tributes to link it up today. One of them is Sunday worship which the bible has kicked against. Adventists have never said that those who worship on Sunday are hell bound. No. What we know is that the ten commandments must be upheld and James 2:10 says that if one of the laws is broken, one is guilty of all. Now, Adventists hold that if you are ignorant of the day of worship, God knows how to deal with it. But if you have known too well that Saturday is the day of worship and have refused to obey ‘thus saith the Lord’, it is a sin and as such deserves punishment for it. Why would people hold a belief that when Christ died ‘it is finished’ included just the abolishment of one of the laws of the commandment? How can it be said that out of 10, one is abolished and the rest upheld? This is not rationale at all. The bible has told us that Jesus has been and is still the Lord of the Sabbath. Why then should this Sabbath be trampled upon? The writer of of this article cannot pinpoint a verse in the bible where our Saviour Jesus Christ has asked us to worship on Sunday. Adventists believe that Ellen White was inspired by God to write all her books. Are there things she wrote that the bible condemns? No. We hold on to the bible as our creed. On the area of the commandment ( law ), Romans 3:31 asks: does it mean that because there is faith, the law should be discarded? Paul answered and said NO. He continued by saying that it is only when we have faith that we can keep the law. What is he emphasizing here? Both must be considered. When people talk about leaving the Sabbath, I get baffled and if these people are truly bible students. Are we saying that since the law is not ‘important’ we can go on and ‘steal’, ‘kill’, ‘covet’, etc and be free? Are we in a lawless state? This is the handwork of haters of TRUTH. our message down not hinge on SABBATH alone but SALVATION, HEALTH, TITHE, FAMILY LIFE, CHRISTIAN LIFE, THE CREATION OF THIS WORLD,TRINITY – GOD THE FATHER , SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. BAPTISM, SECOND COMING OF CHRIST ( VISIBLY ) etc. The issue of 1844 was erroneously misconstrued by the founders of the church. It was not an Adventist Church then. The writer told all about RUSSELL being in the movement. Yes. Many of them separated due to disagreement in their beliefs. William Miller and members of the movement called the Millerites read the bible and found out about the Sabbath and the coming of Christ as important tools in Christendom and made them known to others. They miscalculated it to be in October 22, 1844. They strictly kept to that date but unfortunately it was not the coming of Christ.
    I AM USING THIS MEDIUM TO INVITE PEOPLE TO ANY SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH. FIND OUT IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT MAKES US CULTISTS. I WILL PLEAD WITH THE READERS OF MY POST TO GO TO GOGGLE GET THE 28 FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS BEFORE THINKING OF BRANDING US CULTISTS OR NOT.

    • Tyrone

      Amen.

    • Joseph

      You have a lot of big words against Christians because you uphold an earthly calendar observance of Sabbath. Is God going to judge those who you disagree with any more than he is going to judge you? No. “Come visit our church, we are better Christians” this is all your talk–it is what your talk implies. When men draw lines and use the bible as an excuse, God still knows who is drawing the lines. The SDA have no proof that they are the remnant church, but when you say you are, those are words of condemnation. The words are “join us or God will judge you”. That is the whole of your speech here. Defend your doctrines all you wish, those of us who cite your errors are not Catholics, but this is your convenient excuse. And you know it is nothing more than an excuse, a blanket description. The Shepherd knows His sheep. The first shall be last, the last shall be first. We are ready for Jesus, we don’t need your doctrines or this lady’s writings–those are not of the Bible. You say they are not, but you preach to people to read them as if they are above anything else in this world. This is now how God shines His light through the prophets. This is how the prophets declare themselves. Such is vanity. Trust God, not a man-made church. Trust Him, praise him all times of day, all days of the week. He is merciful, not a calendar policeman calling the Sabbath.

  • tiptopsaidhe

    I would be interested to know how the SDA church views remarriage after divorce, while a covenant first spouse is still living. Jesus, Paul, John the Baptist, all the early church fathers, call it adultery until repented from and left behind. Most pastors and churches call Jesus a liar and say it’s a “lawful” marriage. How does the SDA church deal with the adultery of remarriage after divorce?

  • matai

    1 John 3:4, sin is the transgression of the LAW… Romans 4:15, where there is no law there is no sin… you do not keep the law to be saved, you keep the law because you are saved. James 2:10 if u break one law you are guilty of all. Matthew 5:16,17 if u break what u think is the least commandment and teach men to do the same you shall be called least in the kingdom of God. Jesus did not come to destroy the Law or the Prophets.John 14:15, If you love me keep my commandments. Keeping the law alone wont save you. If you are saved you will do the will of God. Matthew 7:21, Not everyone that saith onto me Lord Lord shall be saved but he that do the will of my father.. And you need faith to do the will of God, because without faith it is impossible to please him, Can u please someone by doing NOTHING?

  • Woman at the well

    Raelene – A follower of Christ would act like He did. Being kind and inviting – even to those who were wrong. I wonder if the SDA just might be braver than you are about following Christ against all the traditions of the rest of the Protestant world. But even if they are wrong about the 7th day sabbath and everything else, you dont act like a follower of Christ by being haughty and judgmental. I think you are a disciple of Geoffrey Grider! And that would be REALLY scary as there is no love at all in that man for anyone who disagrees with him.

    • raelene

      It’s truly sad that you would want to make this personal, Woman at the well. There is nothing haughty in what I’ve written which is from the word of God. Are you projecting?
      I follow no man and no man’s teachings.
      I have been a student of the Bible for well over 50 years and as I’ve learned I have changed my thinking on many things I was taught as a child because they just did not line up with the whole of the word of God.
      But, as I have stressed in another comment here, this is not about me and I usually stay in the shadows on things like this.
      I only began commenting on this when I read so many misconceptions of what the Lord has said in his word. I am sharing here, not bashing people.
      It’s up to everyone who reads to check what I’ve said against the word of God. I have no responsibility other than to proclaim the truth.
      hahahaha And by the way, Geoff doesn’t always agree with me and vice versa, but we can get along fine in the Body.

      I wonder where you get the idea that I have been judgmental of any individual. Perhaps you should explain that rebuke.
      I don’t know how old you are, but if you are younger than me you should take heed of the Bible’s instruction concerning that.
      I am a great grandmother pushing 70.
      1 Timothy 5:1-3
      1 Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren; 2 the elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity. 3 Honour widows that are widows indeed.

      • aka glory

        Raelene..you are not following scripture…so who are you following? you are not following the leading of the spirit and only read the back half of the book…skipping and running away from the truth and salvation to all in the BOOK OF ACTS…..OH YOU NEED THAT GIFT OF THE BAPTSM OF THE HOLY GHOST SO BAD, YOU REALLY DO….you will love it and it is so real and wonderful and marvelous and amazing once you RECEIVE IT….it is really is….so wonderful and it will make those living water of unknown tongues flow from your belly like a river of living water…you cannot contain, when you are honest and repent and go deeper in the spirit…..you to can get it…just get it….do your homework and read the book of acts chapt one to 22 and the book of Hebrews and the last chap. of each gospel five times and come back and you should have received his spirit by then. HE talks to people who have not received HIS GIFT, because HE IS NOT DEAD, he talks to everyone, ARE YOU LISTENING???? That word is a LIVING WORD….listen to the women at the well, she has a message and she heard JESUS say, he has LIVING WATER that you need….that is to all….ASK HIM if i am telling the truth, ask HIM..he cannot lie and you will hear, i hope you listen to what he tells you…it will be ACTS 2:38, THE SHORT VERSION OF CHAP. 19. HE WILL SAY THAT….HE REALLY WILL. SHSHHHSHH LISTEN TO WHAT HE IS TELLING THE CHURCH TODAY. SH listen to his voice. It will help your judgmental spirit when you get filled with HIS SPIRIT…..when you finally get the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god. Mary did in the upper room it is for you too.

        • raelene

          akaglory,
          I’m being called judgmental for posting what the word of God says or for disagreeing with your interpretation of scripture????
          I have been careful not to condemn anyone here and have just tried to explain your error with the Holy Bible.
          You are judging and condemning when you tell us we are not truly saved for following Paul’s doctrine of salvation.
          You have used phrases which are not even in the Bible, such as the baptism of the Holy Ghost.
          you don’t understand the sealing of the Holy Spirit, being born again of incorruptible seed of the Holy Spirit, being filled with the Spirit which are 3 separate actions.
          You believe water baptism somehow saves us, which is does not.
          We are born of water at our physical birth and born of the Spirit when we are born again.
          Tongues are a sign gift and it is the Jews who require a sign. The Greek/Gentiles seek after knowledge.
          I will say this last thing.
          If you or anyone else is depending on anything other than full faith in the death, burial and bodily resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ who is God in the flesh who paid in full the sin debt we all owe with his sinless blood you are not saved.
          Jesus did it all and does it all, including our sanctification. We cannot add to his finished work.
          I’ll not defend myself against the false accusations and judgmental spirits of y’all. my Saviour knows me and he walks with me and teaches me and I have learned to be content in whatever state I am in because He is always with me. He is mine and I am his and I am already eternally alive and seated in heavenly places.

          • AkA glory

            Jan.13, to Raelene, Good morning. Pls read and do HOMEWORK assignment. You are MISSING MANY SCRIPTURES IN THE KJV. You did condemn and called this book of Acts believer “A Cult”. You are calling Mother Mary who believed in One God as I do, a cult. Neither one of us were Catholic pagan heretic trinity believers. God said His Name is the “I Am, the I AM”, not We are, the We are. Read Isaiah. Mary did not have triplets and she GOD is with us, when he was born, Is. 9:6; 7:14. (God is “three persons”, is a Roman Catholic pagan line from Hindu Vedic Trimurti, and NOT IN THE BIBLE! ) He speaks in ONE VOICE, to believers, not in 3. That hogwash “line” of perversion was added to Christian doctrine by ROMAN pagans by the influence of pagan philosopher Tertulluan in 325AD.

            You are still trying to explain a “SUPERNATURAL” experience in the bible, with a natural mind. You will never understand “RECEIVING” THE “GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST” WITH SPEAKING IN UNKNOWN TONGUES, until you get it. I DO NOT HAVE THE “GIFT OF TONGUES” FROM CORINTHIANS. Repeat I DO NOT HAVE THE “GIFT OF TONGUES” DESCRIBED IN CORINTHIANS 12 & 13. Thus is a BOOK OF ACTS BORN AGAIN “GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST” Power of the PROMISE FROM THE BOOK OF ACTS read chapter One. You are in the WRONG BOOK OF THE BIBLE. I got it, I should KNOW “WHAT” IT IS AND “WHERE” I GOT IT. If you have never spoken suddenly in “unknown tongues”, then you cannot explain it, describe it or tell me where to Get It.
            Sorry if this sounds a little tough, but I am trying to explain where THIS WONDERFUL AWESOME “PROMISE” came from in the bible.
            You missed last month, where I was very clear about speaking in unknown tongues. That speaking in “unknown tongues”, began in 33AD on the day of Pentecost in the upper room. It is THE “BAPTISM” OF THE SPIRIT OF THE “LIVING WATER”, A SUPERNATURAL “RIVER OF WATER” THAT WILL COME INSIDE YOU AND FLOW OUT OF YOU. It IS THE “BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST” which IS in the bible KJV: Matt.3:11; Mark 1:4; Mark 1:8 John told them, “I indeed have baptized with water, but he shall BAPTIZE YOU WITH THE HOLY GHOST”. KJV. AND WITH FIRE…Luke 3:16; John 1:33; ACTS 1:5 in red print words from Jesus: …( include WATER baptism of 1000’s water was very necessary for SALVATION, John was called the Greatest prophet that ever lived). ACTS1:5. For John truly BAPTIZED WITH WATER, BUT YE SHALL BE ‘BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY GHOST’ NOT MANY DAYS HENCE.
            See without reading and studying BOOK OF ACTS, YOU “MISS SCRIPTURES” which have instructions in righteousness for today. You are MISSING HIM.

            Raelene, it only takes 10 min. To RECEIVE THE “GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST” evidence-based by speaking in unknown tongues, the living sign that you have really been “baptized with the Holy Ghost”. Described in detail in ACTS CHAP 1-22. Read the BOOK OF ACTS FIVE TIMES, DO THE HOMEWORK, AND YOU TO CAN FINALLY BE “SAVED” and not just a believer. See Acts 8; 10:43-48; 11;16; and 19:1-6; 22:16. YOU KEEP SKIPPING THE CORNERSTONE, THE BOOK OF THE “ROCK TO BUILD ON”. The WORD OF GOD IN “ACTS” IS STILL ALIVE AND FOR TODAY. READ IT AND “RECEIVE” THE “BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT OR GHOST” WITH SPEAKING IN UNKNOWN TONGUES. It is for you, your children and for all of you, Jew, Gentile, Samaritans. ACTS 2:39.

            10 min. Raelene, just go DEEPER IN THE SPIRIT, LIFT YOUR HANDS TO HEAVEN, and “RECEIVE” and you will get it. You are GETTING up in years, so hurry up, do it TODAY. Then dont forget the baptism in water in Jesus Name, PAUL SAID TO DO IT: Acts 19:1-6; & 22:16 ,to the Gentiles. Heb. 10:22; Rom. Six says WATER, WATER, BURIED IN WATER. Mark 16:16. Whoa…
            Stop skipping and hopping over BOOK OF ACTS. That book is the ROCK, the “chief cornerstone” to the rest if the New Testament. READ ISAIAH 28. & Book OF Joel. Yellow highliters are cheap at dollar store, buy the five pak, and read ACTS 1-22, and hilight all the words “SAVED, add TONGUES”, add pick another color for “GENTILE”. Hilite, hilite, read read…the lite, the “Power” wiil come on suddenly…in the BOOK OF ACTS, THE “ROCK” Book. Chap. 4!
            Once you get that baptism of the HOLY GHOST yourself,then you can now proceed to sermons to established churches written 15 years later after they all obeyed Peter and Paul for SALVATION IN ACTS. The letters are all in PAST TENSE. ONCE AGAIN, I DO NOT HAVE THE “Gift of tongues”, from Corinthians. The Lord gave me a deliverance ministry to help addicted people and the Lost. I have prayed many many people and children through to the baptism of the Holy Ghost for 29 years.
            I used to be where you were BEFORE I was saved, you will never know the goodness of the Lord, the woman at the well and what Jesus said until you “GET IT”. START AT THE BEGINNING, …Acts chap. 2:1-47; is where the “CHURCH” BEGAN, …and the LORD added to the “CHURCH” daily such as should be SAVED. SAME DOCTRINE for SALVATION in chap. 4;8;10;11;16;19&22. Thats a bunch. NO SKIPPING ALLOWED, The WORD DOESNT CHANGE, MOVE, SHIFT, OR LIE OR DIE. What was good enough for Mary, the Apostles, the Ethiopian, etc. was GOOD enough for me. ‘Religions’ complicated, added, catherized, removed, skipped, jumped, chain sawed, out the ORIGINAL “CORNERSTONE, THE ROCK, TO BUILD ON”. Read Isaiah 28 and again. Book of ACTS FULFILLED THAT PROPHECY, the “stammering of lips” is “speaking in unknown tongues” in the book of Acts. I know cause I heard it…and did it myself when it first comes OUT OF YOUR MOUTH AT THE INSTANT HE “BAPTIZES YOU” in the Holy Ghost or Holy spirit (same thing).
            Don’t follow ‘RELIGION’, ONLY FOLLOW THE WRITTEN WORD ALL OF IT. That is the goal Geoffrey is putting to all of us. He wants us to OPEN, READ, STUDY “ALL THE BOOKS” ALL THE WORD. KJV only. We need to throw out TRADITION ADDED TO THE BIBLE, and what we have been taught, DON’T MAKE THE MISTAKE OF THROWING OUT THE ” LIVING WORD”. I have an excellent program for searching scriptures: http://www.e-sword.net. You can find it quick, like “baptism in the Holy Ghost” scriptures. Tools to help us on this site. I am not condemning any religion or calling people names or saying you are in a cult. I am telling all, even if a warlock is reading this site, that you too, can be SAVED AND RAPTURE READY, if you obey and DO THE WILL OF GOD, starting down in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost. ACTS CHAP. 2:1-22 is alive and real for today. I will dig up what you been TAUGHT, I am taking my laser light and leading in the directions back to the WHOLE BIBLE. JOHN 14:6. Jesus is the way, what did HE SAY TO DO? It is in book of ACTS, book no. One to SALVATION from sin beginning in Jerusalem.
            The “BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST” only takes 10 min OR SO ( longer if you need deliverance from demons, I have the gift to cast them out); ANYONE WHO HAS REPENTED FIRST, can be “BAPTIZED AND FILLED WITH THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST”; the LIVING WATER, the BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST. It is for ALL. Just go DEEPER in prayer, it really works. I have been doing it for 29 years, my testimony of truth, SALVATION and how I GOT the baptised again in the water in Jesus Name and then with his SPIRIT, fulfilling John &:3-8; and Titus 3:5-7. Everything I have said is KJV bible based. I read it, did it, received it. START IN ACTS….FIRST. I read Corinthians and LIVE Corinthians. You all are just “READING ABOUT IT”. Now “Get it”. The bible is a LIVING WORD. Not just ink on page. It is “LIVING WORD” and FILLED WITH POWER. THE WORD IS GOD. Go from ink, to putting THE WORD INTO THE TABLES OF YOUR HEART. AHHH that’s it, go DEEPER INTO THE WELL OF “LIVING WATER”, DIP IN AND NOW DRAW OUT OF THAT WELL AND YOU TOO, ALL OF YOU, SDA, JW, FREEMASON, BAPTIST, JEW, CHURCH OF GOD, METHODIST, HOMOSEXUAL, MOLESTED, WITCHES AND WARLOCKS, MUSLIMS ALL of you can “RECEIVE THE POWER AND FIRE OF THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST” today, anywhere. yes, yes, reach into His Spirit and RECEIVE. The book of ACTS, the upper room, in your living room, and you will start to act as drunk and wild as Mother Mary and the disciples did in 33AD. That is the WINE OF THE SPIRIT going thru your veins. Your lips and tongue will be doing weird things. It is supernatural, the MORE YOU DRAW FROM HIS WELL, THE MORE WILL COME UP OUT OF UPUR MOUTH. Thats it, that is the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with fire. Roll on the floor if you need to, who cares, you just got the ink off the pages and INTO YOUR HEART, DEEP INTO YOUR SPIRIT. He did the work, Now RECEIVE His REDEEMING POWER AND GIFT. Yep you will, watched it with my eyes as others were blessed like me. Fire spreads…. that WORD IS ALIVE AND WELL AND FOR ALL TO EXPERIENCE ON THIS EARTH… GET IT TODAY, the LIVING WATER FROM THE WELL OF LIFE. Put down your hiliter and reach up, extend your fingers, unclench your fist, and say Hallelujah, Jesus is LORD, and in minutes, suddenly from heaven, the “Wind of the HOLY GHOST” will come inside your belly and fill you and baptize you all with His Spirit and you will have stammering lips and be speaking in unknown tongues as the “Spirit of the living God gives the utterance”. The angels around you will be rejoicing, and warning, have carpet because you may drunk enough in the Spirit that you will literally fall out on the floor. Been praying believers thru in minutes for years. I got experience. Ahhh I wish I cpuld be there. It is marvelous, amazing, and wonderful each time. It never gets old . He is ALIVE. This is ONLY IN THE BOOK OF ACTS. NOT IN CORINTHIANS. This is the CHALLENGE TO YOU TODAY… THE HOLY GHOST CHALLENGE. Once you start praying souls thru to the baptism of the LIVING HOLY GHOST, you wont need to sign up for exercise classes at the YMCA or zumba. I have had a workout everytime I go to church and dance at the altar rejoicing when one soul “GETS IT”. I leave in a sweat. And a smile of Joy on my face and heart. Prayed a Muslim thru in 10 min. Last month. Yes, adding souls to the kingdom of God daily, such as should be SAVED. Now they are SEALED IN THE SPIRIT. FOR REALLY REAL.

    • raelene

      And one other thing about what you have addressed to me, how did you come to the conclusion that I follow the traditions of Protestantism? I am not a Protestant. Protestants came out of the Reformation when people broke from Romanism in protest. The true Church of God was in existence before Romanism and before Protestantism going back to the book of Acts. It had to go underground by the 4th century when Catholicism/Romanism took on the disguise of Christianity. Romanism is the religion which began in Babel.
      I follow only the unadulterated word of God.

      • aka glory

        Raelene: You may be a grandmother, i am an older woman also, in my 60’s and raised in church from birth, but in 1986, i went deeper in the SPIRIT…you are not reading and following the entire word of God, you belong to that chainsaw group and hacked out the book of acts, cause you don’t understand the SUPERNATURAL. You can read read read, but then as PAUL SAID, SINCE YOU HAVE BELIEVED HAVE YOU RECEIVED???? Have you, not you are just reading with your lips, now read and receive the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST WITH YOUR HEART and get buried in the water…as peter commanded baptism in the water in acts chap.2 and 10 and Paul commanded in Acts 19 and 22. Heb 10:22. you need the water and the blood to be saved…..you skipped those verses….The TRINITY CHURCH OF GOD THAT HAS NOT RECEIVED THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST OR THE REVELATION THAT GOD IS ONE AND THREE PERSONS, THAT IS TOTALLY ROMANISM AND MITHRAISM AND HINDUISM TRIMURTI….that church of God started in 1915….dry dry dry….no living water, no spirit of God….without the evidence of speaking in unknown tongues you are DRY DRY DRY…. go deeper in the Spirit in prayer, and be honest and shhhh and listen to HIS VOICE and he will bless you with the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST…you may be old, a wee bit more than I, but you are full of worldly wisdom and not god’s wisdom yet….hurry up, you can get it tonite….love you. i could pray your thru to the baptism in 10 minutes..so easy, just go deeper in the spirit…you can get it anywhere and everyone must have it to see and enter the kingdom of God. You missed all my stuff last month, whew….geoffrey is worn out with me…but you cannot change my testimony. a living testimony and God doesnt lie or change.. blow the dust off the BOOK OF ACTS and get on your lift your hands to heaven and say LORD FILL ME…it is very easy if you are honest.. you have been listening to men and tradition if you have never spoken in unknown tongues like me or the 8000 and 120 in the book of acts and all the churches in the nt. Now that you are a BELIEVER….RECEIVE HIM INTO YOUR BELLY AND GET BURIED IN WATER IN JESUS NAME FOR A CORNERSTONE. READ ISAIAH 28 AND JOEL…TONITE BEFORE YOU REST YOUR HEAD…..

        • raelene

          I am following scripture. It is you who is not.
          I don’t need your “homework assignments”. You are not my teacher. The Lord is.
          And I don’t need some hocus pocus magic formula to “get the Holy Ghost” as you have prescribed. There is no such instruction in the Bible.
          I am saved, sealed and indwelt by the Holy Spirit. I have been filled numerous times with the Holy Spirit.
          The Holy Spirit witnesses with my spirit.
          I have to question what spirit you are actually associated with because you are trying to frustrate the grace of God.
          I don’t have a mother named Mary, btw.
          I received the Holy Spirit the day I was born again, dear.
          Galatians 1:6-9
          6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

    • aka glory

      women at the well: amen amen…read my last comment tonite…to Joseph….the joy of RECEIVING FOR REALLY REAL, the baptism of the HOLY GHOST, i cannot speak enough of that wonderful, amazing, marvellous supernatural experience, just like the upper room…..oh i love the LORD and HIS PROMISE to GIVE US THE GIFT OF HIS HOLY GHOST IN Acts chap. one and then 3,120 got it on the day of PENTECOST and were baptized in Jesus Name for the remission of sins, down in Jerusalem, obeyed the APOSTOLIC DOCTRINE and were SAVED, including mary and all the apostles…and me….yes yes yea. the bible is still TRUE TODAY and everyone SDA, JW, Catholic, any believer in JESUS CHRIST can RECEIVE THIS GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST and repent and be baptized in JESUS NAME in any water that will bury them. anyone and everyone it is for all. HIS WORD NEVER CHANGES….God Bless you all. I cannot wait to see when someone on this site “GETS IT” just like i did and mother mary and et all. He loves us all to do that wonderful thing for us. to day 2000 years later, patiently waiting until that last soul gets it before the rapture. And everyone in the bible after the death on the cross..was in CHURCH DAILY…no set day of the week, after the testator died. I wish i could be there to pray with all and everyone, i love doing it that a bunch, THAT IS WHAT I CALL CHURCH…. i work up a sweat …..praying….now that is a good work to do…prayer is WORKS…..OH MY….we could get going on that again….

  • Brian

    I may not be as good a Christian as most of you here. But there is one comment that many are glossing over. “So let me get this straight , you honestly believe you can just say I have faith and then spend the rest of your life doing whatever YOU want picking and choosing what is most convenient from the bible so you can eat drink and be merry and no repentance Jesus died so you can do whatever suits you and its all good? Brother you need to read the whole book not selected passages the wages of sin is death quote all you want lead the life you want free will and all. Its called judgement day work it out how ever makes you happy good luck with that.”

    This guy nailed it. You cannot pick and choose what you want to follow and call yourself a Christian. It is true the Bible contradicts itself in some verses. But that contradiction comes when you read it selectively. Read the entire Bible and it will make sense and clear those contradictions.

    The criticism of the SDA church here is akin to political zingers. You hear one comment, take it out of context and play it as a gotcha moment. Read everything in its totality. Why would Christians compete to find out WHO is right and who is wrong? Why don’t we all use the Bible and from the Bible itself, come to a conclusion of WHAT is right or not?

    • Joseph

      Good comments, Brian. The criticisms, in my view, are valid and worthy of discussion, seeking not to divide Christians, but to God be the glory. We are for sure to bring each other to correction for the glory of God not for the glory of any earthly religion. Pray without ceasing, to God, in the manner Jesus taught.

  • JASON

    Geoffrey, had marijuana just become legal in your state? You are taking parts and prices and comming up with your own conclusions on these subjects. Instead of assuming and making accusations try studying the bible and these subject matters a little further in detail. I’ve been a SDA member for over 20 years, I always use the new king James version I bought in Walmart 20 years ago. The sabbath is clearly stated through the old and new testament. I have read a couple of little paperbacks from EW but see her as just another writer prophet or not. Everything that I follow is out of the original king James bible and even that is not complete after being doctored up by the Catholic church. Jeoff, please find a way of dealing with all this hate you have and just stick to the bible period. I don’t believe people will come back as a cow but its none of my business if someone in India does. Quit hating jeoff, and start to love.

    • The New King James and the King James are not the same book.

      • aka glory

        EVERYONE LISTEN TO GEOFFREY GRIDER, HE IS CORRECT. The OLD KJV is the only bible to use, it is the only one that matches the HEBREW scriptures for the OLD Testament and what was in the dead sea scrolls. I found several other bibles changed and missing scriptures while witnessing to a JW at my home years ago. I checked all the bible library on my shelf and the KJV is the ONLY ONE TO USE. He is absolutely correct. I will back him 100% on that.

        NOTE*** I am not SDA or Baptist or Trinity Church of god …i am blood saved, water RE-baptised in JESUS NAME and baptized with the LIVING GIFT of the HOLY GHOST with the evidence of speaking in unknown tongues as the CHURCHES were all started in the Book of Acts per Jesus instructions to his disciples in the Gospels after he died and was resurrected and His return on the day of Pentecost. I was raised generations of Baptist, married Catholic, got into New Age, psychics, mysticism, Unity New thought and met people in the satanic Church of Scientology. All those religions, faiths or whatever you want to call them were a bunch of baloney. I was delivered from all of them in 1986 and found JESUS, IF YOU HAVE THE KJV, GET OUT THE BOOK and read Isaiah 28; the book of JOEL and the last chapter of the each gospel, write down the red print. Then move to the Book of Acts and read chapter 1-22 five times and highlite in yellow the word SAVED. Then get deep in prayer and honest and ask the LORD TO GIVE YOU THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST as he did to 8,120+++ and more in the Book of Acts. Start there…first…then move on to the all the letters to the established churches. We CANNOT SKIP, JUMP OR DISOBEY THE WRITTEN WILL OF GOD AND ALL HIS COMMANDMENTS. Peter and Paul both gave us COMMANDMENTS TO OBEY TODAY, THAT WERE BOUND ON EARTH AND NOW BOUND IN HEAVEN. The Word does not change or LIE. I obeyed and it happened ….he filled me and washed me in the water and in his blood….There is TRUTH IN THE BOOK OF ACTS AND IN THE GOSPELS THAT IS STILL ALIVE FOR TODAY…..God is NOT DEAD and neither is the BOOK OF ACTS…..God bless Geoffrey for his patience in getting the WORD OF GOD OUT TO ALL ACROSS THE WORLD…you will be blessed. FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD….SO IS PRAYER….

  • Joseph

    AKA Glory, when you add things to scripture, you make them wrong and you force your interpretation on people. This is legalism and it’s not even correct exegesis. Please refrain from pushing your personal agenda onto believers, it makes the SDA look as bad as this article suggests. You need to read your posts and see where the Word stops and how and where you add to it. You have been doing this continually, as if you don’t even trust God’s words to us. You amplify and “define” things that takes them into your own personal context. I know in your heart you mean well, but you know where that road of good intentions leads to… Let’s all trust God to give us discernment and joy.

    • raelene

      akaGlory is not SDA. She is part of the Oneness Pentecostal Movement which is another cult. She is deeply rooted in deception.

      • Aka glory

        Raelene, NO NOT DECEIVED, I HAVE “RECEIVED”, the truth and obeyed it. If you have not “RECEIVED” the awesome glorious infilling and Baptism of the Gift of the Holy Ghost with speaking in unknown tongues, just like Mother Mary and all the Apostles did in the upper room, then you gave been deceived. Paul told a group of Gentiles same thing in Acts 19:1-6; 22:16. I did it just LIKE Paul told us to do. It works for today too.

        Jesus promised in ACTS 1 he was coming back in a few days to do JUST THAT. I was not deceived. I was deceived as a baptist, a Catholic, a New Ager, then finally, in 1986, I repented of my sins and did exactly what Peter and Paul told everyone to do in Acts 2 -22. It really does happen, JUST like they wrote about it.
        To delete the book of Acts from SALVATION is to remove the CORNERSTONE and you are still trying to explain a SUPERNATURAL awesome experience with a natural mind.
        I pray with people all the TIME, showing them first the last chapter of each gospel where Jesus told the Apostles what to do and it would START in Jerusalem. Write those scriptures down. Then hilite in yellow the word SAVED in book of Acts, chap. 1-22, that is where all the Churches began. READ THOSE CHAPTERS,AGAJN, FIVE TIMES, AND THE LITE WILL COME ON FOR YOU TOO.

        The letters from paul to the Romans etc. Were WRITTEN 15 years AFTER THE CHURCHES WERE STARTED. They already had obeyed been baptized in water in Jesus Name and received the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST, with evidence of speaking in unknown tongues. Without that GIFT FROM GOD HIMSELF PERSONALLY, you are not saved, you are only just a believer. See book of ACTS first!! Start at beginning. No skipping allowed.
        Read more, read five times. No skipping allowed. ROMANS SIX, is all past tense. All the letters are in PAST TENSE, after the fact.
        You can accuse me, call me names, but you cannot CHANGE what is WRITTEN. Doctrine of SALVATION begins in book of ACTS, I did what all 120 did in upper room and it is for today. I pray PEOPLE thru every week to same Pentecostal SUPERNATURAL experience.
        You dont know what you are missing, you have no understanding. Just ask him, he will fill you too, then get your sins washed away, in Jesus Name, Paul commanded us in Acts22:16 and Jesus said it also in John 3:3-8.
        You can never take from me the GIFT THAT HE GAVE ME, no matter how much you write and skip over, or call me names, I will stop teaching the WHOLE BIBLE, that “GIFT” FROM HIM TO ME is mine to keep forever and my testimony. The “LIVING water” that comes up from my belly. Come join us and get it too. You can watch Pastor Bates and prayer right thru to what we all got… the upper room Pentecostal experience. Yes, I wish I was there to watch it happen. It is the most awesome and amazing and marvelous thing to see when Jesus sweeps down from the throne and puts His Spirit inside your belly JUST like the bible SAYS. The angels stand around you and rejoice with you, you can feel them in the air. Now this is what I CALL CHURCH… when God takes over and MAKES HIS WORD COME TO LIFE AND YOU GET WHAT MARY AND THE APOSTLES GOT. LOVE IT!!! Ask Him He will tell you if I am telling you the truth or deceived. Ask Him I dare you to, he knows who I am, does he know you??? ACTS 19:1-6.

      • Aka glory

        I made small Mistake:”I will stop teaching the WHOLE BIBLE,… ”

        Supposed to say “I will Never stop teaching the WHOLE BIBLE”.

        Also ISAIAH. CHAP. 28; & Joel both prophecy the DOCTRINE OF SALVATION TO COME.. read whole chap. And book of Joel. Isaiah even said “Doctrine”. CORNERSTONE mentioned too. Acts 4, fulfilled.
        Deut. 32:1-4= 1 Corin. 10:4 the ROCK, the chief cornerstone to build on. Then we have Moses forshadowed the whole event of upper room and book of Acts SALVATION. Going thru Red Sea was called a baptism in water, Moses hit the “Rock”, and “Water” gushed out. If you have ever been present when someone gets baptized with THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST” it looks just like that. Be sure to watch every week http://www.cfcky.com sun 11&6 EST. Video runs for 72 hours and see “RECEIVING” the Holy GHOST GIFT or hear the evidence of speaking in unknown tongues from those who already have “RECEIVED” THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST. not the Gift of TONGUES. That is different, already explained, that is not the same as the baptism of Holy Ghost. and PLEASE DON’T even try to explain it if you never had it. You can’t.

        • joseph

          This isn’t a competition to show oneself as holier than thou. It’s simple a discussion of what is Biblical and what is being taken from the Bible for personal contexts. I’m sure you’re moved by the things you’ve seen with your earthly eyes. That’s mentioned in the Bible too.

          • aka glory

            Joseph: Trying to explain SUPERNATURAL GIFT OF GOD, to people who have not RECEIVED HIS GIFT YET, is difficult. I had to do the same thing in court for three hours to a Catholic Court and you cannot explain it. When someone RECEIVES THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST with the evidence of speaking in unknown tongues, you don’t SEE “IT” with earthly eyes. You are filled with HIS SPIRIT, the SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD, fills you completely to overflowing, not just the measure you have to stay alive. It is A ‘SPIRITUAL’ SUPERNATURAL, NOT NATURAL THING’ that happens. You can hear them speaking with unknown tongues as the SPIRIT gives the utterance. It is amazing and marvelous and confounds the unbelievers. I have had this SUPERNATURAL EXPERIENCE in 1986, in 10 min. after repenting of my sins with my heart and not just my mouth, He will step down from the throne of heaven and fill you to overflowing with His SPirit and FIRE. It is wonderful when it happens to you. It is for everyone on this planet earth after you repent completely with your heart and not just your mouth. When you die to SELF and pride, it happens. I am not any holier than you, i just repented deeper than you. You got to go DEEPER IN THE SPIRIT. Am i the only one on this entire website, that has gone that DEEP IN THE SPIRIT to touch the LORD himself as they all did in the UPPER ROOM? Joseph, if you ask the LORD to fill you with the baptism of HIS GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, He will do it for you too if you are honest. It is NOT HOLIER, IT IS HONESTY that brings this living water into a dry and thirsty soul. That is what JESUS was talking about to the Samaritan woman at the well, about LIVING WATER YOU CAN DRINK AND NEVER BE THIRSTY AGAIN. It is my testimony and i can testify of 100’s of children (my son at age six, spoke in tongues for two hours, no english, for two hours and was baptized in Jesus Name that same nite). I know of some people who have not spoken English for up to three days. It is very exciting and so wonderful and it is for all on this site. Love to all, not competing, just trying to explain the Book of Acts if for today and HIS WORD cannot be changed or deleted, it stays the same. You have to build on the cornerstone for all foundations. THere are built below ground level, that is your baptism under the water, in JESUS NAME. Acts 4. Ask the LORD and HE WILL FILL YOU if you are honest. I can’t wait till someone on this site gets it….it is for ALL…he promised it in Acts 2:1-47 and the LORD ADDED TO THE “CHURCH” such as should be SAVED. highlite that in yellow and keep going. Let me know when someone gets an answer from the LORD, He never lies and keeps all his promises in HIS WORD, the Wonderful Word of God. I love HIM SO MUCH for HIS WORD and TRUTH and the liberty in the Spirit and the chains of sin fell off and yes ….i could get really going ….in the SPIRIT. It is hard to contain…once you get it….LOVE TO ALL…let me now who gets it here ….there is one believer that did, LPJ, she wrote the other day. Acts chap. 19 and 22, is the Gentile chapters says the same thing Peter did in Acts chap. two. short version. He is NOT a respecter of persons, anyone here can get the same thing Mother Mary and the apostles did in the upper room….SDA, JW, Baptists, Methodists, whatever He doesnt have a denomination in the Bible, our church took the denomination out of the title of the church. We are JUST THE “CHURCH” as in Acts. WE are not UPC either. see http://www.cfcky.com watch videos, buy last week Jan. 3rd pm VIDEO and it had a lot of the Spirit in that service. Watch Jimmy Swaggert on TV he speaks in unknown tongues sometime there….it is everywhere. and no i dont agree with everything Jimmy S. did, but he repented.

          • joseph

            AKA Glory, the evil one is an expert on scripture and can fool people with the supernatural experiences you describe here. A lot of ‘mediums’ mistake their work as being with the Holy Spirit because the fallen angels can make people do these things you describe. You talk like you’re so convinced, but your long, wordy pleadings here would not be necessary if you had the faith of a mustard seed.
            I have had to deal with some SDA people personally who can’t tell the difference between the work of the Holy Spirit and brainwashing. They have fought for their organisation to the degree of dividing people, and that is what your zeal is here. Long wordy testimonies for people to come over to your side, and implied condemnations of their relationship with God. You are like Eve—impressed by power, by an “improved” experience with God that the tempter offered her.
            There are no sides with God. There are not “deeper” experiences—when you make your experience “deeper” and “more meaningful”, you are letting a different spirit dictate to people. You are no longer letting them experience God on their own terms, and putting Jesus back up on that cross that the Catholics have done. You know none of the people here, yet you hold your own experience up as an idol that you worship, and it becomes condemnation to those who have criticized your organization.
            The evil one can fool even the “wisest”.
            He promised to go prepare a room for us. He didn’t hire “experts” to test our faith. When our faith is in Him alone, we are His, and these earthly things you boast about are reduced to nothing.

      • Roy

        This is what my comment was about below, you like to call people Cults yourself.

        • raelene

          People are not cults. Cults are organizations. People blindly follow those organizations. I don’t call people cults.

  • Julie

    To aka glory….please read 1Corinthians 14: 21 , 22 .

    And maybe then THE WHOLE CHAPTER OF CHAPTER 12

    2 JOHN 9,10,11

  • Julie

    Again to aka glory….please read about THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST TO BELIEVERS …JOHN 7:37, 38 , 39 !!!

    There is a difference in your explanation …your explanation is so different …SURELY ONLY THE WORD OF JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY LIGHT TO ABIDE IN .

  • Julie

    Dear aka glory …please read Galations 4:1,2,3,4,5,6,7, THIS IS THE GIFT OF GOD…to all those who BELIEVE IN THE SON OF GOD…
    …MEANING SO CLEARLY DECLARED IN THE WORD OF GOD….(…GOD SENT FORTH THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON INTO OUR HEARTS, CRYING ,ABBA,FATHER )

    This must not be mixed up with your teaching of tongues (or any other gifts ) from CHAPTER 12.
    You are making yourself “lord” and speaking against THE WORD AS DECLARED BY OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.

    Do you truly believe that JESUS IS LORD !!! …..THEN RESPECT AND OBEY HIS WORD …AND THEN YOU CAN SAY TRUTHFULLY ” JESUS IS LORD ”

    If aka glory wants to glory…PLEASE GLORY IN PRECIOUS JESUS AND HIS DECLARED WORD .

  • Malisa Abrahams

    Instead of bashing SDA’s?? Why not just tell what you think the message for this world is. I am a very happy SDA with absolutely nothing to be ashamed of in the message of this church. The center of our message is Jesus. A true love story of a God of love that gave up His Son to save a dying world. The author of this article truly has accused us falsely. I just wonder why.. Why not tell what you believe instead and let it be challenged by the Word of God.. What if someone wrote an article about you and your church and said you were a cult? I am sure you would be offended. If you have something better why not just present what you know instead of being an accuser? I realize that arguing the different doctrines with you may not work.. There has been some really good arguments but they have been ignored..
    There are some real cults out there with people playing with snakes, killing people, worshipping man and calling him Holy Father… People worshipping dead saints.. All types of things going in the world.. But you have honed in the Sda church.. Ellen White is just a woman who had the gift of prophecy.. Is it because she is a woman that makes it strange? Anna was a prophetess in the temple when baby Jesus was being blessed.. It’s not unusual. You have people speaking in tongues in an unknown language.. No one has address that. That is a spiritual gift that has been misinterpret but there are no long articles about that,. Why SDA’s? What has our church done to you? Usually that is the source of it. We are imperfect people with a perfect message. If you take the time to search the scriptures you will find that to be true. If you have been hurt by our church I am sorry.. Usually that is the problem.. I am just wondering why?
    Jesus came to his earth and He was not accepted by His own people. He was perfect. They even told Him he had a devil.. So it’s not a surprise that our church will not be accepted into the mainstream.

    • Joseph

      Malisa, please don’t change what has been said here just because you are so “happy”. Correction is correction. Showing where scripture is being followed and showing where it has been misinterpreted, added to and modified for the sake of a denomination–that’s all NOT bashing, but bringing correction. The SDA supporters here ignore the strongest charges against their organization’s doctrines while trying to prove everyone wrong who isn’t in their way of thinking. This is all cult-like, and, in case you don’t realize it, Malisa, cult followers will take everything wrong that condemns their earthly fruit for what it is. If you get mad and don’t feel conviction, then bring proper scriptural truth–not the recontexted bible quoting done by SDA supporters here.
      This original article was the result of research and many peoples’ experiences. Just because you are happy-go-lucky and content doesn’t mean you’re right. We should be wary of being too content on this earthly plane anyways. The SDA very likely has a lot of true believers attending their services, just like every denomination. But the evil one knows scripture as good as any of your “great speakers”.

  • raelene

    I am continually reminded of this verse of scripture when I read so many of the comments here:
    Psalm 119:165
    Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

    There are some of us here who have been marginalized and accused of being in a cult because we listen to the teaching of Dr. Ruckman or because we won’t use the corrupted versions of the Bible and study only the KJV and follow only the teaching revealed by the Holy Spirit in the Holy Bible.

    Most of us take no offense to it. I certainly don’t because it really is not about me. It is about the glorious gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ as it is written by Paul the Apostle. I and all others are accountable to God for what truth he has revealed to us and what we do with it.

    My focus is on Truth and Jesus is the Truth. There is a lost and dying world who need him.

    • Roy

      Seems you like calling other people Cults yourself from post above.

      • raelene

        If the religion is against sound Biblical teaching it usually is a cult. But my comment was about being offended, so I don’t understand your remark, Roy.

  • Joseph

    There goes AKA Glory again, talking about how much “deeper” her connection is. How presumptuous and condescending. It’s as if your opinion is stronger than your trust in the Father. It’s so precious to you that you won’t respect that other people have had the Spirit come into their lives and change them, but not in the manner you prescribe. And demanding earthly actions such as water baptism–“complete submersion” etc.—where is your faith? Who is Jesus to you? For indeed, by His stripes we are healed. Not by listening the the earthly calendar police or the baptism police (that’s a biggie with the Jehovah’s crowd).
    What is important is that people put God first, as Jesus taught; that they accept his sacrifice on the cross and His resurrection for us since we all come up short.
    So enough of this “I’ve gone deeper” nonsense. You’re not Randy Moss.

    • aka glory

      Joseph: Have you ever asked yourself why did the ROMAN CATHOLICS REMOVE THE WATER BAPTISM, REMOVE THE NAME OF JESUS, REMOVE THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST WITH SPEAKING IN UNKNOWN TONGUES??? Why did they? They removed it all, the entire book of Acts. Why did they? I decided to go back to what was written and did what is said to do and guess what, it worked, i got the same thing they got back on the day of PENTECOST. Gods word cannot change, lie or die. only men do that ….all men are liars, God is not…..I went back to the WORD OF GOD and got off the ROMAN ROAD OF LIES…watch http://www.cfcky.com pm service the first 15 min..you will hear and see the BOOK OF ACTS ALIVE TODAY…the Romans took all the truth out….all of it…that is why i walked away from the Baptist church too, they were following the Romans

  • Tyrone

    Joseph, you seem as though you know what your talking about, so why do you worship on Sunday my friend? What is the significance of Sunday, os it merely for convenience or for you to be able to be to fit in.
    What is the reason for your choice of day to be Sunday? It is your choice to believe and to take what you wish to from the word of God.
    The lord never changes, it is only us that change, we are fickle, he is not. I know you believe this, so why change the day, cause you are the one that decided to worship on Sunday, even if you dont wish to believe in what the SDA church believes, you must seek this truth for yourself, do not live in ignorance and cleave to a teaching of a change in the day you must worship as this is going to ultimately be your downfall as you are made aware their is a flaw in what you practice, but it is not for me to say you are wrong.
    But I emplore you to study the change of the sabbath and see for yourself?

    But Godbless brother

    • Joseph

      If you believe in God, He won’t hold the calendar against you. I worship with believers and they meet on Sunday. We have fellowship, learning and sharing; we ask questions, we look at the Word. We don’t add to it and our doors are open to anyone who wants to know what Jesus did for them. I’m sure history will show anyone that some traditions may have been started by earlier cultures and all that blather about the Roman Catholic Church switching the day for their reasons. It does not matter to God and it does not matter to me, because He is gracious and merciful to us 7 days a week. If you want to hold that against me, that’s your right and your issue, not mine. My Father created all of this world, including the free will that men use for their reasons. I am not infringing on anyone’s right to worship on what they deem the correct day, but that’s a man-made calendar. God is timeless. Have faith in Him, not in ceremonies and legalism. If this is an issue with you, make sure you take it to God, not men.

      • Tyrone

        Im sorry my friend, you keep saying that phrase, “we dont add to it”? How and when have we added to the bible? And when have we stated that our doors are closed?
        And I think you will find that it will and does matter to God about the sabbath, why would you deny God the opportunity to stear you in the right direction.
        God hallowed the sabbath and made it holy.
        The sabbath was simply made for man, so we are able to put aside all things that take pur minds of God, and have that day specifically for him… to build your relationship with him, to prove to him out of the conviction of the heart that he is our everything.
        This is all we do. We do not add to the bible or close our doors to non believers.
        This is just one or two people that say that we are wrong and that we are a cult and you say we are aswel.
        Teach me about my religion my friend, show me how we are a cult.
        Show me how you believe that keeping Gods Commandmebts, and keeping our bodies pure and healthy and unadulterated is wrong and cult like.
        You are merely saying words that hold no sound sense of scriptural backing at all.

        Your view of the SDA church has been twisted and obscured by lies and deceit my friend.

        Before staing that any denomination is wrong, we must see to the bible and follow it.
        I cannot say that you will go to hell because you dont hold my beliefs, none of the seventh day adventists can claim that, and I have not read nor have I heard that we claim this.

        We are taught to stand out from the crowd as Jesus did with the priests.
        Walk in the same steps and be christ like. Keep all his comandments and look after his temple, Our bodies.

        Simple.

        • Joseph

          You need to re-read my posts how you add to scripture and how you exalt your denomination as “better” than others’. And you demand people to prove to you that you are wrong. This is so far from worshiping the Creator that it should be proof enough in your asking a man to prove to you what God has spoken in scripture. Your doors are open until someone disputes your doctrines. I’ve seen this happen, time and again.

  • raelene

    This should settle the issue of whether one sets aside Saturday or Sunday or every day for the Lord and what each of us eats, etc..

    Romans 14:4-6
    4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

  • TITAN

    Religions were created for insecure humans to control stone age barbarians, create divisions and make each one think that they are favored greater than this imaginary barbaric god. You created god in your own image, selfish and pitifully ignorant. Your arguments in this article are dumb, stupid and stone aged as the teachings of the Seventh-day Adventists themselves. You are no different. A non thinker who believes in fables.

    • aka glory

      Titan: oh heart of stone…you have some digging up ground breaking to do…..read the gospels, the book of Acts five times and you will see how to chip away the chips of paganism so deeply embedded into your heart, soul, and mind and spirit. Be ye saved by the Word …

      Gospels, book of acts….read five times…..then read the letters to the churches. so you too can be ready for the RAPTURE and not LEFT BEHIND…..with the unbelievers and unrepented …..

    • Joseph

      Your generic answer is sad for you. If you want to boil down all of human history to your shallow worldview and tell us that you know better than us, well, knock yourself out. It’s not even original thinking on your part, but the usual cop-out of a person who is afraid to humble himself to the Creator of all life; who refuses to ask Jesus into his life–where you would find real answers instead of this bubble-gum atheist philosophy. Learn to pray, then you will learn not to PREY on people you never met.

  • Sandi

    Interesting all the posts:

    To bring this whole topic to an end. It does not mater what you agree or disagree on The “bible” is a book of ancient Israel history; [not modern day Jews as that is Judaism], complete perverted “religion” stolen from the ancient scriptures

    The scriptures compiled in what you call the “bible’ are my peoples history, it was our history, written by Hebrews for Hebrew and for Hebrews in the future and what was to come. for us . A short time after our Messiahs death , people formed their own religions based on our history and has led to mass confusion in this world, Christians, Islam and Judiasm. People killing people in the name of “Jesus” It has nothing to do with you all

    Yahushua was the last high priest on the planet and for my people stands as a mediator for us. He was from the tribe of Judah and His calling was to go the lost house of Israel, 10 tribes who are scattered to the 4 corners of the world and to bring us at the end of this age back into the land. At that time the 12 tribes of Israel will be united again. At that time he will instruct the 12 tribes in the correct way to live, because we have fallen away from our Creators true intent for us to live.

    All of the above post are grossly misinterpretations of the Hebrew teachings What you are Posting is not what the word is about: tongues, rapture, work, faith etc and all of that is not as you call it scriptural. It is false teachings based on some people stealing the word and making it their religion. Never had anything to do with any of you

    Sorry guys…but that is the truth. You need to read that book starting at page one all the way thru to Rev and then actually learn your own church history and open your eyes….you will find out you have been deceived by your own lineage. Thanks to Constantine who started it all, 3rd century, who picked and chose what he thought was good and founded Christianity mixing it all up with pagan worship…your know xmas, crosses and easter and all of that.

    Sorry so what need to do now is lay down those swords you are using on each above , all of the above posts are anti messiah. and can never be tolerated in Yahushua’s Kingdom, which is to come. He will reign for 1,000 over the 12 tribes of Jacob

    • aka glory

      Sandi. you are skipping over the four Gospels, the book of Acts and all the letters written to the churches. and just using REVELATIONS for your religion and faith. You are at a terrible loss for truth, knowledge and understanding.
      Stay off this site for a week and go read, whatever it is you use for a bible and KJV is the best, it is the least perverted.
      study the gospels, the book of Acts first read both five times each.

      Then read the letters wrote to the churches he established in Christianity Doctrine for salvation in the Book of Acts. These are sermons written 15 years later after they were born again in the water and spirit and obeyed Acts 2-22, both for Jew, Samaritan, and Gentile.

      then study revelations….but you better get ready for the RAPTURE first or you will be LEFT BEHIND…

    • raelene

      Fascinating.
      Have you not read, “To the Jew first and also to the Gentile…”?

  • mitch

    And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gather together.” Acts 20:7,9 (KJV) And why did Paul preach ?–Because he was leaving the next day !!! They wanted to hear him preach!! Breaking bread?—THERE WAS NO SLICED BREAD IN THOSE DAYS!! So how would anyone take a piece of bread?–Simple !! Break off a piece !!! How simple !!! BTW–if u read on the net, you will see very plainly that the Roman Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday in honor of the Jesus’ rising—The RCC does not deny they changed it. They openly claim it. So, who has the authority to change God’s Law? ONLY GOD !!!! The Sabbath was created at creation. In order for it to be changed, creation would have to start over again. And, the scripture from ! Corinthians that tell of collection, it about the collection of the tithes !! There is no mention of scripture being read, no mention of an assembly. BTW–NOT all SDA believe in EGW!!! I don’t and I have been an SDA for over 30 years. And, the scripture that mention the disciples meeting in the room on the first day of week, FOR FEAR OF THE JEWS !!

    • aka glory

      Mitch: I totally agree with you. especially in Acts 2:1-47. After 3120 Jews, including Mary and all Disciples, and Peter went to the temple after obeying the Better and NEW COVENANT of Salvation from Sin in Acts 2:1-5 and 2:37-38; the Lord said they were breaking bread and going from house to house have CHURCH DAILY and down at the JEWISH TEMPLE. The normal gathering together of the saints in 33AD was on the SABBATH AND NOT ON SUNDAY. The JEWS started the CHURCH, CHRISTIANS ALL BELONG TO, if they follow the book of Acts plan by JESUS, PETER AND AND PAUL, the only NEW COVENANT FOR SALVATION IN THE BIBLE. Every Christian who left the pagan idolatry of ROME, ETC went to temple with the NEWLY CONVERTED JEWS and everyone WORSHIPPED ON THE SABBATH, TOGETHER FOR 300 YEARS following the JEWS PETER AND PAUL.
      If you worshipped on SUNDAY YOU WERE A PAGAN, If you worshipped on the SABBATH with the JEWS, who were now NEW CHRISTIANS you went to temple on the SABBATH, not SUNDAY.
      The only people going to a “pagan place of worship” on SUNDAYS back and way back before Christ was the pagans, the Romans, the Greeks, the Mithras, the Nabateans, the Assyrians, the HIndus….all worshipped pagan unknown gods and goddesses on SUNDAY TO THE ‘SUN’ saturn…the POPE CONTINUED, the EMPEROR CONSTANTINE of Roman pagans at that time and he CREATED AND INSERTED FALSE CATHOLIC TEACHINGS AND DOCTRINE and changed the WORSHIP TO JESUS CHRIST, THE MIGHTY GOD, ISAIAH 9:6.
      The ROMAN PAGAN CATHOLIC RELIGION, THAT IS NOT IN THE BIBLE ANYWHERE, perverted the WORD OF GOD and REMOVED the ONE GOD AND TURNED HIM INTO A MAN: THE FATHER OF THE CHURCH OF ROME AND CALLED HIM POPE: LATIN FOR PAPA, turned God into the pagan Trimurti Hindu worship to 3 men: Brahman, Vishnu and Shiva, the ORIGINAL TRINITY FROM THE LINE CAIN, Nimrod, HAM and tower of Babel. The muslims are actually still worshipping the TRIPLE LIE OF TRINITY FROM THE HINDUS, kaaba at Mecca is a HINDU fertility LINGAM to Shiva, the Crescent moon is the symbol for Baal, HUBAL, and the Star in the flag is to the SUN GODDESS OF BABYLON, ISHTAR….the created TRINITY TO HELL.
      The ROMAN EMPEROR, NOW POPE, kept all the pagan statues of the ‘GODS’ AND GODDESSES’, turned them into saints to bow down to, moved JUPITER STATUE TO THE POSITION OF St. Peter and set him up in the VATICAN and everyone is actually kissing the foot of the god of paganism JUPITER since they lack knowledge of the word of god. God has given the Catholics and Muslims and other religions who believe in this nonsense up to reprobate minds of confusion. ROMAN CATHOLIC POPE OF THE VATICAN TOTALLY REMOVED THE BOOK OF ACTS OF SALVATION FROM SIN FROM THE CHURCH: ACTS 2:1-47, ETC
      AND REPLACED IT WITH HIS OWN PAPAL BULLS AND LIES AND WORSHIP TO SHIVA, THE HINDU GOD OF CHAOS AND DESTRUCTION THRU THE MONSTRANCE SET ON THE ALTAR TO SATAN DAILY SACRIFICING TO THE PAGAN GODS, to Mother Mary, and chanting Hindu chants, swinging pagan incense and dipping into the ZAM ZAM wells of water to pagan practices all from the VEDA, Hindus and JAINISM.
      LEAVING THE BOOK OF ACTS CHAPTER ONE TO TWENTY TWO from the CORNERSTONE OF YOUR CHURCH—you have built upon the ROMAN ROAD TO PERDITION, not building Christians who follow Christ and the Word of God, but building pagans who worship the UNKNOWN GOD…if you have removed repentance, water baptism in Jesus Name and the baptism of the living GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST with the evidence of speaking in unknown tongues as the SPIRIT washes away the sin from your body and then from your spirit, washing away the old man and putting on the new man, you are LYING TO YOUR CONGREGATION AND TO OTHERS IF YOU TOO HAVE REMOVED THE TRUTH GIVEN BY THE BLOOD SHED ON THE CROSS TO ALL SINNERS in the entire world, nations everywhere, all races and backgrounds, to the rich, middle class and the poorest of poor. IT is for all, it is THE CHURCH, it is how to begin your life as a new babe in Christ and become his bride to be ready for the RAPTURE whenever it comes.
      Yes we do go to church on Sunday, but it inherently given to us the wrong way from traditions adapted from the PAGAN ROMAN WAY. God doesn’t what day you go to CHURCH ON RIGHT NOW. They went to church DAILY in the book of Acts. We must not forsake assembling our selves together in the TRUTH MANIFESTED IN THE WORD, ACTS FIRST. BOOKS TO ROMANS AND OTHER SECOND. YOu have to BUILD THE FOUNDATION AND SET IT IN THE GROUND OR IT WILL FALL OVER. YOU ARE NOT SAVED WITHOUT ACTS 2:38 and ACT 19:1-6, TO ALL BELIEVERS, Paul said HAVE YOU ‘RECEIVED’ the GIFTS. and then PAUL SAID WASH YOUR SINS AWAY IN BAPTISM IN THE WATER AND REPEATED IT AGAIN…..Act 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
      Act 22:17 And it came to pass, that, when I was come again to Jerusalem, even while I prayed in the temple, [NOTE. THEY WERE IN THE TEMPLE, I bet it was the Sabbath, since by that point over 8,000 JEWS were converted to Christianity and following Christ. Gentiles were the minority back then ]

      Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
      Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
      Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
      Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
      Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
      Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
      Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
      Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
      Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
      Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
      Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
      Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
      Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
      Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
      Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
      Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
      Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

      The PHARISEES were looking to kill Jews and gentiles who converted to Christianity. Rabbi Paul had been one of those Pharisees that were killing Christians Peter had converted from the Book of Acts 2:38. Then PAUL had that Damascus road experience of blinding light and was told to follow PETER….and preach what PETER bound on earth and heaven for DOCTRINE OF SALVATION FROM SIN. Right now the problem is just getting the CHRISTIANS BACK TO CHURCH ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. We cannot strive over what day, just get there and get saved and repent again if you are a backslider and obey Acts 2:38….be ready for the RAPTURE….sins washed away…in JESUS NAME .baptized in the HOLY GHOST, that is the WORD OF GOD AS WRITTEN IN HIS WILL. IT will not change, lie or die.

  • Sandi

    AGAIN I will state it, seemed like it was just ignored….you are NOT ancient Israel to the scriptures have nothing to do with you, your religions STOLE ancient Israel texts and formed a religion of your own out of it. It means nothing YOU ARE NOT ancient Israel the 12 tribes of Israel !!!!!

    • aka glory

      Sandi, is correct NOBODY but JEWISH blood is of the 12 tribes of ISRAEL. Not one Jehovah witness is of any the tribes of ISRAEL. YOU have to be of the bloodline of Jacob, to be of the 144,000 virgin males only of the original 12 tribes of ISRAEL in the OT. listed and there are two deleted in Rev. but they still make up the 12 tribes. Those will be the ONLY SEALED from the Antichrist terror and Beast torture coming soon. They will not go up in the RAPTURE of the CHURCH. These 144,000 will probably assist the two witnesses in the rebuilding of the 3rd temple to be up and running during the Great Tribulation. NOBODY but a born JEW is of the 144,000 not for any Gentiles….YOU got to get saved by Acts 2:38 or Acts 19:1-6; 22:16 to get out of here in the RAPTURE….or you will be LEFT BEHIND. watch http://www.cfcky.com to learn how ….back to the book of Acts, the corner stone for the CHURCH OF THE BETTER COVENANT of the son of the PROMISE given thru ISAAC, not the wildman ISHMAEL, the son of the Bondwoman. See Genesis chapters 11-17,

  • sandi

    I know this hard for most in America to understand, but it is the truth.the bible is hebrew [not Jews] 12 tribes history. In America you are taught from the pulpit these “religious” beliefs, but if you could only just actually read the book, from cover to cover, you will find what I am saying is truth.

    Christianity is not the scriptures but is a man made religion that has been added onto over 2000 years to what you call the church now, never was and never will be. There is no such thing as church, that too in the verbiage has been changed. If you read hebrew and understood the language you also know what I am saying is truth.

    Your Jesus, His real name is Yahushua and He is the creator in the flesh. There is no father son and holy spirit; the trinity as you call it. Yahushua was the lineage of the true levitical priest, that line of priest were overthrown and a new lineage took over the temple. John the submerge was the true high priest and they cut of his head. Yahushua was next in line to be High priest, that is why he is Melchizedek Priest/King. They crucified him. Now he is seated in the hevenlies awaiting for his rule on planet earth.

    Most of the “bible” is depicting natural disaster, actually to the point, a comet that became a planet, Venus and the disaster that fell to the hebrew people and the fact that again such an event will happen again to this planet.

    There have been 2 destruction of planet history that can be proved and that in total they know that 7 times the earth was brought to the brink of destruction and annihilation of man kind.

    The prophets as well as Yahushua are speaking about this very thing, you people are making it about some religious thing when in fact that is NOT what it is talking about.

    I teach ancient history as well as a Hebrew. If anyone really wants to know the truth I will help people out. What you need to do at this point is realize you know not what you are talking about.

    Yahushua role and duty is to return the house of Israel [10] tribes in the north back to their former land……end of story. When a person changes the words written down to accommodate their beliefs, this is called false teaching and many many words in the KJ version the words have been changed to make “christianity” fit into the hebrew text. And this also applies to Judiasim as well as Islam.

    And the word Jew is not correct, there were Judeans not jews in scriptures. . Jews are a counterfeit people “Kazars” current Ukraine that these people converted to Judiasim and now control the whole world. They are NOT ancient Israel or Judeans. Judiasim is a made up Babylonian religion that was around in the time of Yahushua and before. They ARE NOT the true Judeans…I can not stress that enough. That is why you christians are all messed up , you DO NOT know history, just basic world history and you are fighting among yourself trying to make your view point work. Every man is entitled to their own opinion but not to their own facts.
    If anyone ever wants to really learn the truth I can point you to places to learn as well as explain in scriptures what they are talking about. See I am real not a made up name sandi.hebrew@gmail.com I am more than willing to help people understand and teach them where they fit into the texts. Notice I said help, not get into fight with people such as this blog site. Anyone really wants to know truth I am available. There is a great site I will recommend to everyone that will help you tremendously inthatday.net that will help you

    There really is real truth out there it is just you have too put in the time and be willing to lay down wrong interpretations and move on

  • Rose

    As a convert to the Seventh-day Adventist faith I believe in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the Everlasting God Himself, who died for our sins. We do not work our way into His eternal kingdom, which is ludicrous because then we wouldn’t need Him at all. And how many works will save us? Answer: none.

    Critics, haters, and – yes – believers are fond of taking things out of context from both the Bible and the writings of religious writers, which is nothing new. We all believe what we believe, and we end up in arguments over it.

    Point is, we are in the end of the end times. Very shortly God’s truth, the everlasting Gospel, will be presented to the world in contrast to the abominable lies of the whore church’s one-world religion, whose leader is right now making a global push to unite us all under “climate change” and “love”.

    The truth will be known. Pray that we will be on God’s side.

  • Markus

    re: Jewish Sabbath day. There is no such thing as a Jewish Sabbath day. The Sabbath day was created and blessed by God at the creation. All the decedents of Adam have kept the Sabbath day as a day of rest, but while the Israelites were in Egypt they forgot about it amongst all the idolatry happening around them. That’s way the 4th commandment says: REMEMBER the Sabbath day and keep it holy. You can’t remember something you have never been told. Therefore the Sabbath day must have been known before. Jesus said: the Sabbath has been made for MAN. He didn’t say: for the Jews.

  • Howard

    There is a remnant that will be brought out of all so called churches and all so called denominations who call upon The Name of The Lord our GOD and have now or will have and be in relationship with HIM. SDA is full of new age false doctrine, I know, I attend and I listen (in as much as I can) to the trollope that they employ their hireling lying ministers to spew. GOD is about to destroy the SDA, as they now know it themselves. The destruction has already started and will be accelerated provided those who are called to speak truth and demonstrate the Power of GOD according to HIS timing. Just you wait and see.

    • Roy

      Say you r right Howard the god of this world wont,s to destroy them.

  • justaPeacelovingchristian

    I noticed that you guys have been arguing about this for months, and it hasn’t gotten you anywhere. All this arguing is crazy and I wish Jesus would come soon.

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  • Silver

    Here in Uganda, SDA fired one of their radio preachers claiming that the preacher was elevating Jesus more than Saturday in his preaching. Now my question to SDA is that; there are different geography locations when we consider our position in Uganda.
    1. Far eastern block nations beyond New Zealand they are ahead of us by 12 hours and far West beyond California are less by 12 hours . That means when Uganda is on Saturday, New Zealand is on Sunday and Hawaii is on Friday. NOW SHOULD THE WHOLE WORLD TRAVEL AND PRAY FROM UGANDA TO MAKE TO HEAVEN???
    2. Which calendar are they using? If you count days with Gregorian calendar then you are extremely wrong and just keep quiet. Saturday is not Sabbath. Satan is confusing you (SDA) with Jewish calendar in Luke 23:50-56. Count your days with new moon and you know it SDAs.

  • Mildred

    2 Timothy 2:22-24 King James Version (KJV)

    22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

    23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

    24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

    Titus 3:8-10 King James Version (KJV)

    8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

    9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

    Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 King James Version (KJV)

    13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

    14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

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