Scientists Now Say That Human Implantable RFID Microchips Are Unavoidable

Chances are you’re carrying a couple of RFID microchips now. And if you are, they’re sending out a 15-digit number that identifies you. That number can be picked up...

The Mark of the Beast

“And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.” Revelation 13:16,17

The Bible clearly and plainly teaches that there will be the Rapture of the Church of Jesus Christ before the start of the Great Tribulation. This we know as bible believers. So if we are this close to the Mark of the Beast, you better buckle up and get ready to fly – or be left behind – because “that day” of the Blessed Hope is very, very close.

SHTF Plan.com: Technologies designed specifically to track and monitor human beings have been in development for at least two decades. In the virtual realm, software programs are now capable of watching us in real time, going so far as to make predictions about our future behaviors and sending alerts to the appropriate monitoring station depending on how a computer algorithm flags your activities. That is in and of itself a scary proposition.

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What may be even scarier, however, is what’s happening in the physical realm. According to researches working on human-embedded microchips it’s only a matter of time before these systems achieve widespread acceptance.

Chances are you’re carrying a couple of RFID microchips now. And if you are, they’re sending out a 15-digit number that identifies you. That number can be picked up by what’s called an ISO compliant scanner. And they’re everywhere, too.

It’s not possible to interact with society in a meaningful way by not having a mobile phone. I think human implants are likely to go along a very similar route. It would be such a disadvantage to not have the implant that it essentially becomes not optional.

‘Extra Sensory’ Droid DNA Verizon Commercial from Now The End Begins on Vimeo.

Your initial reaction to this idea may be one of disbelief. There’s no way society would accept such a device. Why would anyone want to implant this in their body? Consider for a moment where we are right now. For decades Americans rejected the notion that they would submit to being tracked or recorded.

Yet, just about every American now carries a mobile phone. They’re so prevalent, in fact, that many consider it a “right,” prompting the government to actually provide subsidies to those who can’t afford one on their own.

Embedded in every one of those phones is an RFID chip that can track our every movement via GPS or cell tower triangulation. Moreover, those microphones and cameras that come standard on every phone can be remotely activated by law enforcement surveillance systems, a capability that has existed since the early 2000′s.

The World Begins To Embrace The Implantable RFID Microchip from Now The End Begins on Vimeo.

But as intrusive as these devices are, they are accepted as the norm by billions of people world wide. Not only that, but no one had to “force” them on us. We are, it seems, the masters of our own enslavement. And we pay top dollar to have the best tracking device money can buy!

Granted, one can simply disconnect from “the grid” by throwing away their cell phone. But, the direction these new monitoring technologies are moving coupled with continued government expansion of surveillance suggests that microchip RFID technology will eventually be non-voluntary.

Michael Snyder of The Truth Wins asks What will you do when you can no longer buy or sell without submitting to biometric identification?”

Verichip Corp. RFID Microchip – First Official TV Commercial from Now The End Begins on Vimeo.

This technology is going to keep spreading, and it is going to become harder and harder to avoid it. And it is easy to imagine what a tyrannical government could do with this kind of technology.  If it wanted to, it could use it to literally track the movements and behavior of everyone

And one day, this kind of technology will likely be so pervasive that you won’t be able to open a bank account, get a credit card or even buy anything without having either your hand or your face scanned first.

It’s difficult to imagine a populace that will freely submit to such digital bondage. But as has been the case with the degradation of personal privacy and rights in America, be assured it won’t simply become law over night.

First, the technologies will need to be generally accepted by society. It’ll start with real-time consumer based products like Google Glass. The older generations may reject it, but in a couple of years you can bet that tens of millions of kids, teens and younger adults will be roaming the streets while sporting cool shades, interactive web surfing and the capability to record everything around them and upload it to the internet instantly.

Next, as we’re already seeing from early adopters, RFID chips will be voluntarily implanted under our skin for everything from access to high security buildings to grocery store purchases. Eventually, once the concept is generally accepted by the majority, it will become our new “social security number.”

To gain access to official services, you’ll need to be a verified human. Without verification you won’t even be able to purchase a six pack of soda pop, let alone get medical care or a driver’s license.

Whether we like it or not this is the future. Every purchase you make and every step you take will be tracked by a tiny 15-digit passive microchip, meaning that the only way to “turn it off” will be to physically remove it from your body.

In essence, we’ll soon live in a world of Always On Monitoring. Our children and grandchildren – at least most of them – will likely not only submit to implantation, they’ll gladly pay the costs so that they, too, can “interact with society in a meaningful way.” source – SHTF Plan

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  • If we be left here, only the mercy and grace of the Lord Jesus will be able to sustain us NOT to receive the mark. Those that think they will not take the mark and let their family starve or die from no medical treatment because they refuse the mark are deceiving themselves, you may die but will you let your family? I am depending on the Lord Jesus. Thank you NTEB.

  • Amen Geoff!!! Keep preaching and teaching the truth my brother!!!!

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  • STL

    TeresaB: I really enjoyed your comments about your family Starving to death. So you think by refusing the mark, you think christians with strong faith are decieving themselves.

    I rather watch my family, die from lack of food or/and medication,than recieving the mark and end up in their second death going to hell.

    Seem you really scared to refused the mark and watch your family die?

    Maybe we die here a horrible death, but the last breath we take on earth, will be our first breath in Heaven!

    God give you the freedom of choice to refused the mark, God can not stop this happening tp you, and Satan can not forced you to recieve the mark, its your choice only, so how are you depending on the Lord Jesus?

    I rather let my family die here than not letting them go to heaven.

    • sst, STL,. whomever you are today, I have NO idea what you are talking about, you send me a private email grilling me. Stop grilling me as a Believer/Follower of Christ! Also I have told you I may not agree w what I post but I put things out for conversation/opinion/knowledge. You can decide what you want to do w it. Deal? Deal.

    • Neil

      Amen STL, Amen.

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  • The tribulation will come, all that are living at the time, will see it. You will have to choose.

    Joe 3:13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.
    Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
    Joe 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
    Joe 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

    • Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
      Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

  • Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
    Mar 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
    Mar 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
    Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
    Mar 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
    Mar 13:29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
    Mar 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
    Mar 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

  • Is United States of America (USA) the apocalyptic Great Babylon? In this end time, biblical prophecies are rapidly being fulfilled. The identity of the apocalyptic Great Babylon is no more a puzzle. According to divine revelation from God through Leah Ann Paul, although we may not want to hear this, however this powerful nation (Great Babylon) is USA! Revelation 18:1-24 will become fulfilled after rapture during the tribulation period. Great Babylon (USA) will be the center of satanism, martyrdoms and reign of terror during the tribulation period under Antichrist rule. The wrath of God on Great Babylon (USA) will be fully fulfilled during the seventh bowl judgment (Revelation 16:17-21). This is a wake-up call for us to be perpetually ready for the glorious rapture. No more luke-warmness or procrastination. We must remain as perpetual rapture watchers. Maranatha. http://rapturewatcher.wordpress.com/2014/04/21/is-united-states-of-america-usa-the-apocalyptic-great-babylon/

  • Max

    This is not surprising. A couple years ago in college, we took a campus wide survey, answering questions regarding our opinions of various types of biometric topics and issues. No one seemed even slightly fazed. The young ones will take this stuff on board as easy as buying a new cell phone.

  • Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

    It did not say, which is our blessed hope, the appearing of God, but it said “and”.

    1Th_2:19 For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?
    Tit_1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

    Our blessed hope does not revolve around the rapture, it revolves around the resurrection, that hope is to be with the Lord. Even Paul said :

    1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
    1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

    These have the blessed hope, which are asleep.

  • look all they say i wont do it. all the gov has to say i will reword you. look at all that try to have the best i phone or computer it will be eazy to get you all hooked as for the hard core survivles no, they don,t trust anyone i dont trust ether the ones that(( don.t o-bay)) will be treated with cometept.you will obay for you are asleep and you will fallow your master

  • @ lewis
    That’s right…..they will follow their master. They need to wake up out of sleep!

    Luk_22:46 And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into temptation.

    1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
    1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
    1Th 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
    1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
    1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
    1Th 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

    Php 1:20 According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.
    Php 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
    Php 1:22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
    Php 1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

    • Hi Brenda nice to see you, this is all right, but I wonder what will happen when it goes farther than we thought. Heard this the other day and found an article. Take Care
      Are Populations Being Primed
      For Nano-Microchips Inside Vaccines?

      http://preventdisease.com/news/09/100509_injectable_nano_microchips.shtml

      • Hi, TeresaB~~~
        Yes, the technology is here………all it takes now is for the antichrist to come on the scene………..it sure ain’t the pope or ob1.

        The antichrist will come from the middle east, and set up his throne over there near, or in Jerusalem. satan has always wanted to be God and that is what he will try, but it will only be for the last three and a half years, the great tribulation. satan will make war with the saints thru the antichrist, at this time. It will be a worldwide persecution, not only of the Jews, but all Christians, alike.

        2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
        2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

        This microchip will be the ultimate denial that there is a God, if you accept it, because you are putting your faith in the world and not God.

  • Thank you for the this very important piece of information. Please keep me notified as I have had many conversations in regards to this topic with many people.

  • Let’s all get chipped, drunk, and stupid – RFID nightclub

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyzfVosXdu8

    RFID chip hand implantation

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgjVWaLxoL4

    Mark Of The Beast RFID Chip Implantation 2013

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AJIdc-MO88

    Paying for drinks with wave of the hand

    http://www.wnd.com/2004/04/24179/

    Barcelona clubbers get chipped

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3697940.stm

    RFID chips to buy drinks at Barcelona club

    http://www.quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/?p=987

    RFID Chip will poison and kill you if you disobey! IMPORTANT WARNING MAKE VIRAL!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P57TddAv780

    RFID Chip Commercial

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHdrTiPcQ3g

    Why You Should Refuse To Be Microchipped

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH-CM1adTJs

    The R.F.I.D. Chip in a Droid Cell Phone Commercial- The Mark of the Beast in Plain Sight!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DxS9jLEJpk

    RFID Chip will poison and kill you if you disobey! IMPORTANT WARNING MAKE VIRAL!

  • Rev 13: 16-18
    16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
    17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
    18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

    I believe the mark of the beast ( Antichrist ) will
    be a visible mark implanted with a computer chip,
    similar to scanning a bar code. People who receive
    this mark will wear it like a badge of honour in sol-
    idarity with the Antichrist. I also believe there will
    be no shortage of those lining up for the mark, a 
    chance to rid the world of Jews, they’ll be cheering,
    or anyone who opposes the beast system, the God
    squad ! Just like the nazis under Hitler, the Anti-
    christ followers will become a killing machine of 
    biblical proportions, for real !

    In John 5 Jesus says,
    John 5:43
    43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

    And in Thessalonians
    2Thess 2:9-12
    9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
    10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
    11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
    12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    These people follow the Antichrist because they 
    rejected the truth in the first place, so God
    sent them a strong delusion and in Rev 13 we see 
    the whole world wondering after the Antichrist.

    Rev13:3-4
    3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

    I believe this type of organisation will defiantly 
    be using modern technology, without doubt ! 
    The computer chip that they will receive will be
    a way of keeping tabs on the followers of the 
    Antichrist and separating them from the God 
    squad, earmarked for persecution and beheading.
    Without money,food,jobs or the mark of the beast
    they won’t be hard to find ! and if they can’t find
    them,their own family will betray them.

    Mark 13:12
    12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.

    This is what becomes of our modern technology ?
    and those who reject Jesus Christ !…SICK !

    Titus 2:13
    13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

    Tomorrow wouldn’t be soon enough for me.

    For those who have a death wish during the
    tribulation ? Good luck with that ! You may
    want to stash a couple of KJV for that time
    period too, I believe they will become as
    scarce as hens teeth.You could also use the
    KJV to re-educate yourselves on why the
    Church isn’t there !

    God Bless All.

  • @ Mike
    It’s a funny thing that you should mention if we will need our Bibles in the great tribulation, here’s what God said—-
    Luk 21:13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
    Luk 21:14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
    Luk 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
    Luk 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
    Luk 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake.
    Luk 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
    Luk 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

  • Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

    He didn’t say, he would remove us from the world, but that if we keep his word then it would keep us from the temptation, that we won’t be tempted. Those that don’t have it, will have to over come the temptation of taking the mark, including those that expect a pre trib rapture!

  • SO have you sold out your children by NOT WARNING them ,NO ONE WITH THE MARK GETS INTO HEAVEN,your age won’t matter,if you have the mark ,your history….THERE won’t be any arguement about it,YOU BEST HAVE A SERIOUS TALK WITH YOUR CHILDREN and FAMILY, IF they take the mark,YOU’LL have to chase them off,..FOREVER…….OR is that no big deal to you,REMEMBER YOU WERE WARNED……………..

  • Brenda,

    2Cor 5:7
    ( For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

    Now if we go into the tribulation, we are no longer
    just living in faith are we ?we will see the 7 yr 
    treaty with Israel, it will be on the news ! We will
    see the soon to be appointed Antichrist, the false
    prophet, the ten horned beast kingdom, you could
    tick the events off in the bible as it happens. Thats
    not FAITH that’s by sight ! Then you will have to
    endure to the end ( works ) whether your beheaded
    or not. The church walks by faith not by sight
    this is the same as being under the law,
    this is what the Jews had to contend with, in 
    regards to faith, works and sight. To miss the 
    signs in the tribulation, you would have to be one 
    that has been deluded by God himself.

    There are no works involved to be saved during
    the age of grace.

    Eph 2:8-9
    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    Completely removed, the rapture, in a twinkling
    of an eye. GONE !

    1 Cor 15:51-54
    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
    54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    1Thess4:15-18
    15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
    16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
    18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

    WHERE in John 4:1

    Rev 4:1
    4 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
    “ and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.”

    Hereafter what ? ..The rapture of the church !

    However, you can keep looking for your rapture
    in the tribulation, that’s why I suggested the KJV 
    you will most definitely need it to learn the require-
    ments of that particular dispensation, which is not
    the church. 

    God Bless.

    • Mike, did you forget who wrote those books you are quoting from? It was men that was beheaded and suffered great tribulation from the mystery of iniquity that was working in their time. Could they say these thing for themselves? Yes they could. It is you, that change them, for what you want them to be!

      Jer 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

      What are you afraid of, Mike? Are you afraid to die, when Peter said, not to be afraid of their terror.

      1Pe_3:14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness’ sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;

      Or when Jesus said Not one hair of you head shall perish if you are killed for righteous sake. What do you fear, and you speak of faith? Do you know what faith is?

      This is the patience of his word!

      Luk 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
      Luk 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake.
      Luk 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
      Luk 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

  • Mike, to say not walking in faith through tribulation is a great overlook on your part. It will take a great amount of faith to endure the temptation not to take the mark.
    That faith comes by hearing the word of God. If you have his word, you will not be tempted.

    Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

    • Ron,

      Mike, to say not walking in faith through tribulation is a great overlook on your part. It will take a great amount of faith to endure the temptation not to take the mark.

      In the context of what I was saying was, its 
      not just faith, but works and sight as well

      “Now if we go into the tribulation, we are no longer
      just living in faith are we ?”

      “this is the same as being under the law,
      this is what the Jews had to contend with, in 
      regards to faith, works and sight. To miss the 
      signs in the tribulation, you would have to be one 
      that has been deluded by God himself.”

      I’m quoting from my original post.

      Faith, works and sight ? Did you skip a few
      lines ? Faith is right there ! Twice !

      That faith comes by hearing the word of God. If you have his word, you will not be tempted.
      Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

      Yeah ! And you will see the rapture in the
      next verse Rev 4:1,  Jesus will keep his 
      word.

      • No, Mike, I disagree with that, we will live by faith even more so and faith along, works has little to with it. Did not the apostles cast out demons and raise the dead and heal the sick. It is all still salvation by faith and continuing in good works right on through the tribulation. So what will change, either you believe God or you don’t?

        • We are not under the law, Mike nor will we be in tribulation. The law was fulfilled in Jesus and it was given unto the Jews anyway, not the Gentile. We are not going back under the law in tribulation, you have no Bible for that. Now what about the Apostles was they under the law? No, but they went through tribulation as great as anyone. What makes our time greater than theirs is the size of it, is great, as many will be beheaded according to Rev 7:9,14.

          • Ron, right up your ally,  works plus faith in the
            tribulation.

            Mat 24:13
            13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
            (works)

            Rev 16:15
            15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
            Works ! These poor guys have work to 
            keep their own salvation.

            Rev14:12
            12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
            Works plus faith.

            Of course all works must be accompanied
            by faith ! In the tribulation, right ? Other
            wise ? It will be wailing and gnashing of
            teeth. Because they are told to KEEP
            the commandments, and the Faith of
            Jesus.

            The churches salvation is different isn’t it ?

            Eph 1:13-14
            13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
            14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

             Eph 2:8-9
            8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
            9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

            No works required for salvation ! It is a
            gift of God !

            Now at the rapture in John 4:1 that
            will be the end of grace, the church
            will be gone, salvation will be a faith
            plus works programme, whether you
            like it or not ! See scripture at the top
            of post.

  • He that seeks to save himself shall parish, he that parish for righteousness sake, shall save himself. Pretribbers are on the wrong side this.

    • Really, what about all the martyrs that have
      died over the past 2000 yrs ? Are they on the
      wrong side too ? The only way that someone
      can be on the wrong side is if they didn’t
      accept Jesus as their saviour !

      1 John5:11-13
      11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
      12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
      13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

      Amen.

      • No, Mike they gladly laid their lives down. They did care if they were post trib or pretrib! It di make a difference did it. But they had the promise of salvation anyway. They did die, that is my point! I’m not understanding yours. They did not love their lives unto death. They did not seek to save it at all. They are on the right side of what Jesus said. It’s you pre- tribber that don’t expect to die for righteous sake, because you love you lives to much.

        Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

        • That’s your warped opinion, your working
          from two dispensations, the age of grace,
          and the great tribulation.

          • No, Mike, tribulation is not a dispensation of it’s own, it is included in the grace period, and that time will end when Jesus comes to earth to reign.

          • No Ron, the tribulation is a completely
            different dispensation, the age of grace
            ends with the rapture ! It DOES not
            continue until the second coming of
            Jesus,..your theology is completely
            WRONG ! You have one foot in one
            dispensation ” the age of grace ” and
            the other foot in the tribulation which
            will be a ” faith plus works ” programme.

  • @ Mike. this is Brenda~~~

    I walk by faith, that is therefore what is getting me thru now, and what will get me thru in the great tribulation, as no one wants to die, but we are all going to die, some day…..so I’d rather die for my faith, and my testimony, than just die.
    My hope is in the resurrection from the dead.
    A glorious resurrection.
    Let me ask any of you one simple question, and answer it honestly—
    Are any of you greater than your master, Christ Jesus?

    • Brenda,

      “Let me ask any of you one simple question, and answer it honestly—
      Are any of you greater than your master, Christ Jesus?”

      Jesus is the name above all names, a servant 
      can’t be greater than his master, so the answer
      is no ! Anyone who answered yes to this is 
      deluded. However if I die in faith, it will be in my
      dispensation, the age of grace, not during the
      tribulation, which is a different dispensation.

      Please no more questions ? Are youse bored ?
      PS. My I pad has 2 out of a hundred for power
      left, needs major recharge, so do I .

      God Bless.

      • @ Mike
        This is Brenda, and no, I’m not bored.
        And yes, Jesus is the name above all names, at least on that, we can agree.
        I hope you will get into your Bible and study, and ask god to open your eyes to see what He needs you to see.
        Thanks.

        • Brenda, I hope you do the same, you
          can start in 2 Tim 2:15, may the Lord
          open your eyes. You both need work
          on dispensations.

          Thanks.

  • Ron,

    Mike, did you forget who wrote those books you are quoting from? It was men that was beheaded and suffered great tribulation from the mystery of iniquity that was working in their time. Could they say these thing for themselves? Yes they could. It is you, that change them, for what you want them to be!

    “Did you forget who wrote those books you are 
    Quoting from” ? Ridiculous question ! Not worth
    an answer !

    WRONG RON , None of the people WHO die in 
    the Great tribulation wrote any of the BOOKS !
    There is only one great tribulation, the last 31/2
    yrs of the seventieth week of Daniel. The early
    church had martyrs and tribulation, but was it any 
    worse than the reformation where at least 80 
    million were martyred ! What about Christians
    that are being martyred now, do they count !
    You twist the scripture that much you do not
    know what dispensation your in. Your in the age
    of grace ! Your dispensation doesn’t go through
    the 70 week of Daniel.

    Jer 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

    Anyone who doesn’t agree with your twisted 
    version of the bible is a false prophet, which is 
    about everyone ! LOL, however you may want 
    to read this, it applies to you ?

    1Tim 4:1-2
    4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
    2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

    What are you afraid of, Mike? Are you afraid to die, when Peter said, not to be afraid of their terror. 

    Ron, if I die, I die. But I’m ready now ! I’m not saving
    it up to die as a tribulation martyr wannabe, it isn’t 
    even my dispensation ! My dispensation ends in 
    my death or the pre trib rapture, whatever comes 
    first, all glory to God.

    1Pe_3:14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness’ sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
    Or when Jesus said Not one hair of you head shall perish if you are killed for righteous sake. What do you fear, and you speak of faith? Do you know what faith is?
    This is the patience of his word!
    Luk 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
    Luk 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake.
    Luk 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
    Luk 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

    Another stupid question, do you know what 
    faith is ? Do you think I was born yesterday 
    and never read a bible in my life ? My faith is
    in Jesus and what he did on the cross, because
    Jesus died for my sins and I believe it ( FAITH )
    I have salvation, but you need to use it now, not
    saving it up for some rainy tribulation day. You
    could be called by God within the next five
    minutes, what are you going to tell God then ?
    I was saving all my faith to be a tribulation 
    martyr ! Besides that, I think the only trib
    you will ever see is if you get you’re Internet 
    cut off !

    Eph 1:13-14
    13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
    14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

    Eph 4:30
    30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

    Eph 2:8-9
    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    You see ? no works involved, and you can’t loose
    your Salvation, sealed till the day of redemption, 

    Praise God.

    • I’m not wrong Mike these Apostles when through great tribulation, in so much as the were nearly all killed by martyrdom. Why would you deny that fact, is beyond me. Perhaps you should read Foxes Book of Martyrs, it was very popular until Scofield came along. If we have faith we will have works or else the faith is dead.

      Jas_2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
      Jas_2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

      Salvation is given freely upon repentance, but we must continue in doing good work, because all works are judged, and every man is judged according to his works, as all men have works to be judged, whether they be good or evil. You can’t live unless you have works, period. So works are unavoidable regardless of what a man does in his life. Grace is free without works indeed, but it is essential to continue in good works to be seal until redemption. Jesus said the unprofitable servant will be cast out into outer darkness. And if a tree bare no good fruit, it shall be cut down and cast into the fire!

      • Ron, could you quote the scriptures
        for the two great tribulations.

        • Mike, I don’t have time for your none sense! The Apostles went through tuff times, and that was their great tribulation. But Jesus said there is a time, like no other, coming. A great tribulation that all Christians would be killed, if the days wasn’t shortened.

          • Ron, don’t give me that CRAP ! I have 
            to put up with your twisted scripture
            as you try to weasel your way to the
            Tribulation ! Which is NOT your dispen- 
            sation ! If we call the early church 
            martyrdom the great tribulation, then
            we would have to call the reformation 
            the same, so you can see where that
            can lead ! so don’t add to it. I’ve read 
            Your other theories about losing your
            salvation, you don’t sin, ect, ect, also,
            your masterpiece on the Jews during
            the tribulation with the two witness’s
            By the way ! They do actually flee to 
            Petra ! When someone flees,they leave,
            they don’t hide ! They are following 
            Jesus instructions from Mat 24:16 
            please read !

          • Mike you are as bad as STL twisting words of others. I have never said I’m going to make it to heaven by my works, and I never said I’ve never sinned. You talk about twisted, that is twisted, when you twist others words.

          • Ron

            Mike you are as bad as STL twisting words of others. I have never said I’m going to make it to heaven by my works, and I never said I’ve never sinned. You talk about twisted, that is twisted, when you twist others words.

            Do not refer to me as STL, I’m not twisting your
            words, it’s the other way around !..I said if you 
            go through the tribulation it is a FAITH PLUS
            WORKS SALVATION ! OK and YES you 
            have SAID you don’t SIN ! AND you twist
            Scriptures habitually ! SO that you can sit-
            uate yourself in the tribulation OK !

          • Over look it, Mike, you are not forced to look at it. You are like Larue you love to argue and twist others views for them. One day you will see the truth, but you still won’t love it, will you?

          • Ron
            Over look it, Mike, you are not forced to look at it. You are like Larue you love to argue and twist others views for them. One day you will see the truth, but you still won’t love it, will you?

            When you put a paper ( thesis ) on the Internet,
            What else would you expect than people to
            read it ! And assess it ! You wouldn’t won’t 
            people to believe that paper was factual 
            would you ! When in fact it was utter rubbish !

            Also remember it was YOU, who contacted me !
            At the beginning of these posts, NOT the other
            way around, OK ! Then you expect me to accept
            your twisted scriptures and theologies like there
            Bible doctrine. When In fact there driven by you’re 
            agenda to go through tribulation, right ?

          • Mike, some say Petra, but that is not what the Bible says. The Bible says Jerusalem is the wilderness they flee to from the antichrist.

            You don’t think the 2 prophet prophets are prophesying to the antichrist do you? They are prophesying to the 144K, Mike.

            Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

            Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

            Isa_64:10 Thy holy cities are a wilderness, Zion is a wilderness, Jerusalem a desolation.

            The removel of the Christians is what makes her desolate at the time of the abomination of the antichrist. Flee Judea, if you are listening to Jesus.

  • Salvation is like a ticket to on train ride, given for believing the train will come, but it’s still up to you to get out of bed and go to the train station and get on board the train. We must do our part. The devils believe but they are not saved, their works are evil.

    • Ron, I see your back to your faith plus works
      programme for salvation, once you receive
      salvation, that is it, full stop. There is no work
      required to keep your salvation, In this disp-
      ensation, the age of grace, it is a gift of God !

      Eph 1:13-14
      13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
      14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

      Eph 2:8-9
      8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
      9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

      Its that simple ! That is salvation in the age
      of grace !

      The works that you do go to your rewards in 
      heaven, it’s not complicated, you make it that
      way because you do not rightfully divide.
      2 Tim 2:15

      2 Cor5:10
      10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
      11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

      1 Cor 3:12-15
      12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
      13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.
      14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
      15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

      So you see, your works are judged at the seat of
      Christ, it has nothing to do with your salvation.

      Any person that is saved would feel
      compelled to do good works, but if
      he was back sliding, he wouldn’t lose
      his salvation, an apology to God, and
      he is back on track.

      • Mike, you take a few scripture and make a doctrine out of it. You leave the rest because it doesn’t fit for you. The Bible doesn’t contradict itself. The flaw is in your interpretation, not in the Bible. Everywhere it says to continue, not full stop! The Bible wasn’t made to please your want it to be. It was written to show you the way. You people teach get saved and look back, but God said never look back. You people say there is a grace dispensation, I agree but it does not end, and you can fall from grace just as satan did. You can defile the flesh and God will destroy you, you can have your name removed from the book of life, you can leave God and never come back, as Balaam did. The only thing grace is, is a gift from God that you don’t have to sacrifice anymore, the saving part is the same as Old Testament. They was saved from sins by blood of lambs, we are saved by the Blood of the Lamb. Grace was for them and Grace is for us by Christ, who died for us. God give them grace for sacrifice, but grow tired of the sin for sacrifice, because they were trading sin for sacrifice all to much. The difference is the Holy Spirit of Grace that gives us strength to overcome sin. If we sin, a sin unto death, we are in big trouble with God. If we let it go we are doomed. God will forgive if we change and turn from sin. What you teach is damnable and sending people to hell left and right. People better wake, the lake of fire is forever. You go ahead believe you are okay these thought so to.

        Mat_7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
        Mat_7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

        Luk_6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

        • Ron, you have got to be kidding, right ?

          Mike, you take a few scripture and make a doctrine out of it. You leave the rest because it doesn’t fit for you. The Bible doesn’t contradict itself. The flaw is in your interpretation, not in the Bible. Everywhere it says to continue, not full stop

          THATS BECAUSE IT IS A DOCTRINE.!

          The doctrine of salvation through faith
          in the age of grace, for only about the
          last 2000 yrs ! Here it is again, so you
          don’t forget.

          Eph 1:13-14
          13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
          14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

          Eph 2:8-9
          8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
          9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

          There you have it, that is salvation during the
          age of grace, no works required, it’s a gift 
          from God. But nowhere have i said stop 
          doing good works, but your works are
          not part of your salvation and they never
          will be during the age of grace !
          This is biblical doctrine, whether you 
          accept it or not !

          • Mike, I already had it. I see everything Paul is saying, because they didn’t have it until Christ died, it was new to them. The was not required to follow the law, as the Jews were teaching. The gift was free of charge Paul makes that clear. Now you can’t throw the rest of the Bible away. We can not work for salvation, which is the forgiveness of sins, that we MIGHT be redeemed if we continue in his grace. Jesus said to continue.

            Joh_8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

            We must continue in grace and in faith, because you can loose your faith and fall from grace.

            Act_13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

            Act_14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God. ,/b>

            We have to continue or we will be cut off!

            Rom_11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

            Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
            Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven;

          • @Mike,
            I had never heard Charles Stanley preach on pre- tribulation rapture until this past Sunday, and he made it so very clear.
            Blessings

          • Tracy, g’ day. Your one up on me, I’ve
            never heard him preach, but I will make
            a note of him and look him up.

            God Bless.

  • Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
    Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

    Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

    Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
    The word of God speaks for itself, if you have ears to hear.

  • All those that died for righteousness sake are washed in the Blood of the Lamb, because that is the only righteousness, is his. Rev . 12:11 they overcame him by three things, not just one. Look at it?

    Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

  • Salvation is given upon repentance or we would have to work up enough to be worthy of it, that is what Paul meant. It freely given, but we must continue in good works. or else we are not in faith, our faith is dead.

    • @ Ron Murphy

      Salvation is not given upon repentance as you will sin again after being saved. Salvation is obtained once you confess with your mouth to God that you are a sinner and that you believe that he died for your sins and resurrected 3 days later to heaven. Salvation is by faith which is Salvation by grace as grace is a gift as if Salvation were to be by repentance then that would constitute that Salvation would be obtained by the works of one repenting. You cant have both and also the bible specifially says that we are saved by grace by faith and nothing more. Once the raapture occurs then those left on earth will have to work their way to heaven but at this current moment we are in the age of grace. :>

      • Brett, I know what grace is, I don’t need your explanation of it. I don’t believe you are correct about working for their salvation in tribulation. Every body works, whether it be good or bad, every body has works, almost no one is excluded. So what is different from the tribulation the Apostles suffered and died from, than what we are going to go through? So what has changed in the grace of the Gentile period in the tribulation? You don’t seem to acknowledge they suffered and died for righteous sake, which is great tribulation. So does that make them under the work or law dispensation? What have you got that shows the difference between tribulation and then. Nothing has changed, those that came out of tribulation, was washed in the blood of the Lamb! That is my evidence. If we are saved by works then we need not Christ as our Savior. But we are not saved by works in tribulation, Bret

        Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

        Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

        Salvation is given on repentance, Brett, and yes we will sin again, but we seek to change and not sin willingly, and repent again for those sins.

  • An intriguing discussion is definitely worth comment. There’s no doubt that that
    you ought to publish more about this topic, it might not be a taboo matter but generally people do not
    speak about these subjects. To the next! Kind
    regards!!

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