Rick Warren Teaching The Storehouse Tithing Heresy To Christians

When you get to the end of Rick Warren's video and he is telling his congregation that "people won't be in Heaven because you didn't tithe 10% of your...
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The “Storehouse Tithing” heresy is nothing more than bondage, Jesus came to set you free

“Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.” 2 Corinthians 9:7 (KJV)

In his May 17th, 2015 morning church service, Rick Warren put the shackles of bondage firmly around his congregation and proceeded to assault them with a devilish mixture of intimidation, scripture twisting and begging for them to “tithe” 10 percent of their weekly incomes to him for the next three years. Yeah, just let that sink in for just a moment. Mad yet? If you’re not, then you don’t know your Bible.

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Rick Warren brow-beating his people into signing a 3 YEAR CONTRACT to tithe to his church. Not all con artists wear a suit and tie.

Rick Warren’s main verse for this heresy is found in Malachi 3:8-10 where we read the following:

“Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.” Malachi 3:8-10 (KJV)

Now that all sounds well and good, and certainly there is a spiritual application for the Christian Church, but as doctrine this is not a command to Christians living in the age of Grace. Paul, our apostle, never once gave this command to any Christian. Paul’s command is found at the top of this article. The verses in Malachi were written to Jews under the Law of Moses, and as such do not apply to us.

Leaving Malachi, Warren then proceeds to the New Testament where Jesus is giving commands to the Jews in the Sermon on the Mount. Again, these are not doctrinal verses for the Christian Church. The people in Matthew 6 were waiting on a Kingdom on earth, and a King. The Christian is waiting for neither of those. We are a Bride awaiting the call of our Husband to bring us to Heaven for the Marriage Supper. Huge difference. God wrote the Bible dispensationally, and rightly dividing your Bible quickly clears all these things up. Rightly dividing also a command to the Christian from Paul found in 2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV).

Yes, all churches and ministries need money to operate. NTEB is no different. It costs us over $20,000 a year to bring the ministry to you, and if people didn’t give and if we didn’t run ads we couldn’t keep doing it. But when you get to the end of Warren’s video and he is telling his congregation that “people won’t be in Heaven because you didn’t tithe 10% of your income” for 36 months, well that’s not only nonsense, and unbiblical, it’s a blatant attempt to extort his people into giving. God doesn’t need any of us to get anything done. Yes, He is pleased to use us but we are not required. And no one will “miss Heaven” because someone didn’t put money in the offering plate. That’s a lie, but sadly in the bible-deficient age we live in people keep falling for it over and over and over again.

If you attend a good, Bible believing church, then give them whatever is in your heart to give. Be generous with the money God has given you. But don’t ever give to any person, church or ministry that threatens you with spiritual blackmail if you don’t give. No church that God wanted open has ever closed because of a lack of giving, and never will.

If you really want to give something of value, give your time. Go to the streets on a beautiful Saturday when you could be at the beach and hand out gospel tracts. Volunteer at a homeless shelter, go sing in a nursing home for the old and the sick, offer to clean the bathrooms at your church. Give something that costs you something. Anyone can give money. Jesus never had any money, He gave Himself.

Go thou and do likewise….

NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he has a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.
  • Rita Freeman

    Not only should a Christian tithe, it is a command to do. The 10% of our income belongs to God and if you don’t tithe, then as the bible says, you are a thief.. There are four types of giving . Tithe is the first and first fruits is next, then alms and lastly seed giving. The last three are after tithe.. There is no getting around tithing. It’s not a gift , it’s Gods money so I can f you want to give to the needy, that would be alms. Please be very careful slamming this man of God because this time you are wrong…read the book written by Mark Gorman . The title is GODS PLAN FOR PROSPERITY… You might just learn something…. Rita

    • Rob

      Rita, “God’s plan for prosperity” sounds awfully unbiblical. We are not called to store up treasure for ourselves but treasure in Heaven. The world and it’s lusts are passing away, but he who does the will of God will live forever. Do you not read your bible?

    • SuzanneA

      Honey…it seems to me you need to read your Bible, and not books by Mark Gorman. You might just learn something.

      • Mke Campbell

        amen

    • RileyN

      Sadly, you are completely mistaken. Everything we have is the Lord’s and He gave us what we have and gave us the ability to earn a living. He demands nothing from us and does not promise us something if we give Him something; that is ridiculous! As Paul said, we are to give as according to our hearts and not begrudgingly – not on command – for God loves a cheerful giver. We are to give whatever is laid on our heart and that does not mean a 10% “tithe” I fell for this for years in my old church and gave away thousands of dollars. I am so thankful that God opened my eyes to His truth about this issue. Here is good book to read “Tithes: the Extortion of the Body of Christ” A friend of mine, Beverly, wrote it; look it up on Amazon.

      • R. Ross

        Very good Riley. But I want to add something to this that everyone is missing. In 2 Cor. 9:8 he says if we do give in the manner as instructed in verse 7, He is “able to make all grace abound toward you; that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work;” So he does in fact promise us a blessing if we give as instructed. And I can attest to this truth – He certainly does.

        • Terri

          I agree unfortunatley thise prosperity preachers are saying you HAVE to give. So that breeds resentment you are not givng cause you want to but are told you have to and if you do not give cheerfully you will not be blessed. I have heard of people going to these prosperity preachers churches and giving EVERYTHING they had and then they are upset cause God never blessed them. You give cause you want to not cause you have to. I have been going to church since 1976. moved in 1983 from the church I started attending and hardly gave anything for all that time and yes I was made to feel quilty for not bankrupting myself by giving but I finally found a church been going to for a month and for the first time ever I do not mind giving to this church and its ministries. I feel happier and more blessed even though I cannnot do or buy things I have wanted. It is a HUGE difference and I am so blessed that God led me to this church.

    • There no command anywhere in the NT for Christians to tithe. Tithing is a provision of the law of Moses which specifically does not apply to Gentiles (Acts 15, Galatians). Most of the church are Gentiles.

      Even under the law of Moses it did not apply to every Israelite. The tithe is taken only from the produce of the land of Israel, because that land is God’s own possession. It was not taken from the earnings of craftsmen or merchants. (Just get a concordance and check every reference to tithing.) And a good part of that tithe was not given to anyone but was to be used simply to enjoy at the set feasts when everyone had to come to the tabernacle or temple. (Deut 14:22ff)

      God asks us to give. He does not command us to tithe. And for the most part the object of our giving should be the poor, not organisations.

    • Frank A. Hanson

      Rita, you are really lost and I truly hope that the Blessed Holy Spirit will quicken your mind so that you are edified and sanctified. Right now you do not have that Heavenly perspective that flows down from the Godhead/Trinity. True Christians are positionally in Heaven but still practically in the body until the moment of Glorification, that is either mortal death or the soon, very soon Rapture. Rick Warren is not a man of God, he is a man of the god of this world…Satan. It is very hard to call anyone unsaved, BUT there are some men and women who we can see by their fruit or I should say lack of true fruit. Rick Warren is pretty close to the TOP of the list of Heretics, passing themselves off as men or women of God and the VERY SAD THING is…that you cannot see it. I Hope and Pray that you are here today for a TRUE Awakening, for with God there are no coincidences. If you are of a legalistic Church, you need to leave now!!! There is a list of this man’s heretical statements and deeds in a lot of the other people’s posts in here for you to read (I truly hope you read all of them) so I don’t need to repeat what’s already been shown to you. I will say this, that Rick Warren is an enemy of the Cross of Christ. Just as Jesus started “HIS” Glorious Ministry almost 2000 years ago or 2 days (Anthropomorphisms for us to try and understand Time & Space from God’s Perspective) as David wrote “A day is as a thousand years and thousand years is as a day” to God. The Age of Grace or Age of the Gentiles (2 Days) is closing with the falling away (We are almost there) just as it is written for soon (After the Rapture) newly Born-Again Christians during the Tribulation will be forced underground just like the First Christians or People of the Way. Most will lose their lives during this time, like Nero throwing Christians to the Lions. This period known as the “Time of Jacob’s (Israel’s) Trouble” 3 1/2 years of “Tribulation” and 3 1/2 years known as “The Great Tribulation” Some right now who believe they are True Christians…WILL be “Left Behind” but sense the Blessed Holy Spirit is Omnipresent, we the True Body of Jesus Christ are what’s restraining the, Revealing of the Beast. I believe that for a nano second after the Rapture there will not be a single Christians on the face of the world…BUT remember this, that the Said Faith Christians that were Left Behind are not guaranteed to be Born-Again but some I believe will be Enlivened, Quickened, Born-Again for in Revelation 6:9 the Fifth Seal: The Cry of the Martyrs…now since all who are in Jesus Christ, the Living and the Dead have been Raptured, these Martyrs can ONLY come out of the Tribulation, remember every Christian in the history is with the LORD, only leaving Tribulation saints. Rita, just as SuzanneA said put down all the garbage books and read the Book that is alive and active, the KJV Bible, your ETERNAL Soul hangs in the Balance. I will be praying for you Rita. Blessings, Frank Hanson

    • E

      Few decades ago 20% of Christians in US used to tithe. Now only 4%.

      In the Old testament it was 10%, isn’t the New testament should be better? 10% should be minimum for every true Christian.

      “There is that scattereth, and yet increaseth; and there is that withholdeth more than is meet, but it tendeth to poverty. The liberal soul shall be made fat: and he that watereth shall be watered also himself.” – Proverbs 11:24-25

      Remember what Jesus said?

      “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other (tithing) undone.” – Matthew 23:23

      Jesus verified the tithing as well, by telling that you ought not to leave the tithing undone either.

    • Andrew A

      Tithing a certain amount is never taught in the New Testament
      Jesus never taught tithing, nor did Paul or any of the apostles.
      It’s just not there

    • Heather

      Does anyone have any idea where Geoffrey has gone? It’s not like him not to post any new articles for 6 days! I know NTEB site went down temporarily 5 days ago and since 6-2 he hasn’t posted anymore articles. Anyone heard anything on Facebook? Indeed there is an attack on NTEB because the TRUTH is being told in boldness!

  • Sola Scriptura

    There is NOT a command to tithe presently. Hebrews 7:5 makes it crystal clear that tithing was part of the old covenant law…and Paul says TWICE that the law was gone..nailed to the tree – plus, virtually all of Romans and Galatians emphasize that THE LAW IS GONE. John 1:17 even says that “The law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.” Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision matter. God is interested in our hearts, not lifeless formalities that puff us up with pride and a false sense of righteousness. It didn’t work with the pharisees and it won’t work with us.

    It is funny how these preachers teach that the law is gone! Wiped away…grace reigns…and feel free in Christ to live as you please, you have a free pass to sin…oh yeah, but that one law that pays my mortgage, my bmw payment, pays for my $300 haircut and for these $700 shirts I wear while preaching…let’s keep that one. That’s a good one.
    Paul made a point to NEVER, EVER make his sheep feel like he wanted or needed anything from them so that his gospel message might not be corrupted…unlike others who peddled it for profit. See below:
    http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/11/14/teachers-preachers-and-wealth/

    Giving because of Jesus Christ is a beautiful thing and should be done in freedom, joy and in love, with no ulterior motive to get a third of it back via a tax deduction. Buy a poor person a car, some groceries, a bus ticket home, and even give freely to a good ministry. But do it not under compulsion, but out of love. The law is gone my friends…all of it. It is all about our hearts, our eyes, and our minds being fixed on Jesus Christ – not as some man fashions him, but as he is in his eternal word.

    • Jim S.

      Amen! Why is it so hard for people to understand this? I heard David McGee preaching about tithing so I don’t listen to him anymore not because I don’t want to give because I do. Give to Compassion International, a charity, your unemployed neighbor, the transient on the street corner, to the glory of God.

    • David

      Jesus did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfil it. The law is a sign between God and the children of ALL ISRAEL, as an EVERLASTING covenant. For all eternity. To believe otherwise as the DENOMINATIONAL TEACHINGS ARE OBVIOUSLY HEREIN RECOUNTED, is a lack of revelation knowledge, which comes from the prophets, NOT THE CHURCH WHICH IS OF BABYLON. The church is without the full leading and power of the holy spirit, or the leading of the prophets. The pope, is the enemy of God. He is Petrus Romanus.

      One can be scriptural, yet without revelation knowledge or the leading of the spirit, one will not have understanding. Jesus ALWAYS did ONLY those things which God told him to do by the leading of the holy spirit. People with the spirit are willing to put their own opinions aside in favour of the leading of the spirit, but there is warfare for the mind and in the flesh there is no good thing. Paul said…”I sin daily “.

      The first thing you should do when your feet hit the floor is to ask for forgiveness. Fat, pray, study the heart of God that is the Torah for it’s own sake. It is the foundation of all virtuous works,
      not for the sin nature, but for the BLESSINGS. To be accounted to be worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass.

      ( JESUS and all the apostles kept the law. ) PAUL kept the law, otherwise the Pharisees would have surely stoned him for it. The Pharisees were great at putting up a good front of pretending to keep all the laws, but they did not. Both the northern and southern tribes stumbled to see. Judah…that Yeshua / Jesus was the Messiah, And of the northern tribes which are the lost sheep that keep not the law and count it as strange thing by wrong teaching wrong believing which comes from the church. For Ephraim they made many alters to sin and changed the laws so that the people would not go back to Jerusalem. Well…obviously that worked. You don’t even believe the laws are meant for ALL Israel.

      KNOW THIS THEN….There is ONE GOD. ONE LAW. GOD DOES NOT CHANGE. The UNITY of GOD in all realms if existence is ABSOLUTE.

      • Sola Scriptura

        Do you not recall Paul confronting Peter in Galatians 2 for living like a gentile but commanding the gentiles to live like jews? They were ALL free of the law. Galatians 3 emphasizes the point again, and in even clearer terms.

        Paul made the point time after time that neither circumcision nor uncircumcision matters…just faith expressing itself through love. He also stated how we aren’t to judge others by whether or not they observe a sabbath day or by what they eat. And as noted earlier, John 1:17 makes the point that while Moses gave the law, Jesus brought us grace and truth. Hebrews, Romans and many other books make this point in very clear terms. The law was fulfilled by love, the very thing the pharisees didn’t have. So Jesus came to nail the law to the tree, as Paul said, so that we might see that it is our hearts that God wants, not lifeless formalities.

        There really isn’t any way to read the new testament and not pick up this point about how the law was simply a shadow of things to come and was abolished by Christ’s death and the curtain tearing. don’t matter to God…just like David and the showbread. David understood even then, before the age of grace, that God loved him and wasn’t concerned about rules. A broken and contrite heart is what our great, mighty and merciful God requires.

        A few thoughts on the loving discipline of God:
        http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2015/01/18/the-loving-discipline-of-the-lord/

        • servant of The Lord

          JESUS did not come to abolish the law ,but to fulfill it.Not a tittle or jot will pass away. JESUS did say that there now were only 2 Commandments; Thou Shalt Love The Lord thy GOD with all thine heart, all thine mind, and all thine soul. And to Love your Neighbor as yourself. And we know why HE said that, and that is because these 2 Commandments cover EVERY Commandment!!!!!!! So again HE abolished nothing, for if HE was to abolish anything it would BE HIS Own WORD, and how could HE ever abolish HIS Own WORD,HE Wouldn’t so HE didn’t!!!

          • Chris

            So I take it then that you are circumsised

  • Having written two books on Rick Warren’s Purpose-Driven and Global Peace Plan false teachings, published by Southwest Radio. Thank you for warning and equipping the church. I exposed Warren’s compulsory covenants in Chapter 2 of my first book Who’s Driving the Purpose Driven Church.

    Dr. Russell Kelly, who did his Phd exposing the tithing principality, wrote a great article on Rick Warren and that biblically tithing does not equal first fruits at:

    http://www.tithing-russkelly.com/id217.html

    You can also view his two hour film documentary demolishing the tithing principality and that it is not a Christian doctrine at:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYFkEh5bEXw

    He also exposed Tony Evans in article on his site, who thinks Christians are under a curse who did not tithe.
    http://www.tithing-russkelly.com/id228.html

    Also see: http://www.psalm12outreach.com/2015/05/rick-warren-teaching-twisting-scripture-teaching-storehouse-tithing-and-word-of-faith.html

  • Having written two books on Rick Warren’s Purpose-Driven and Global Peace Plan false teachings, published by Southwest Radio. Thank you for warning and equipping the church. I exposed Warren’s compulsory covenants in Chapter 2 of my first book Who’s Driving the Purpose Driven Church.

    Dr. Russell Kelly, who did his Phd exposing the tithing principality, wrote a great article on Rick Warren and that biblically tithing does not equal first fruits at his website

  • While I am not a big fan of Rick Warren, calling the teaching concerning tithing a heresy is flat out wrong. I’d like to know where in the New Testament Jesus or His apostles explicitly abrogated the tithe. Yes, Jesus fulfilled the law and He fulfilled it perfectly so that we would not have to. Once we are redeemed, our desire should be to please Him through obedience to the law. What do you think Jesus will mean when on the day of judgment He will say, “Depart from me you who practice lawlessness?” (Matt. 7:23) How are God’s ministers to receive their support? How is the missionary work of the church to be supported? A worker is worthy of his wages (Matt. 10:10; 1 Cor. 9:14) The tithe in the Old Testament was intended to support God’s ministers and that has not changed.

    • Sola Scriptura

      While I agree with your point that God wants us to obey him, we now do it out of a deep love for him and his great mercy rather than out of compulsion. The law is gone…yet we try to honor God by being holy, exercising self control, by loving the least of these, etc. The problem is that we have so many greedy, money centered preachers who treat church as a business and do not understand the attitude of Jesus and Paul towards money. They care more about growth, even if it’s built on a foundation of flesh. The scriptures below lay out exactly what Paul thought on money and the ministry, not by picking a few verses out, but by examining hos thoughts in full. I pray we will get more leaders like Paul, and less like Rick, Joe, Joyce, T.D, etc.

      http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/11/14/teachers-preachers-and-wealth/

    • Rod Mauck

      How do you then explain why the Moody Church in Chicago founded by D.L. Moody does not believe in tithing is so successful, God will provide, and why should a Christian have an exact amount to give If I can give 30% and The Lord calls me to give that amount then that is what I will give.

    • David

      ABSOLUTELY, Jesus said if you love me the the commandments. He never taught that we can keep this one and not that one. The old covenant is still in place. The lost sheep / tribes were scattered to all part of the earth for failing to keep the law. Had many alters to sin.

      The testimony of Jesus will save the soul, and that’s everything. But without keeping the law, to know what to do that is right, and not to do it…is sin to that person. Ok, so a person gets saved. What do they do until they go to heaven ? The salvation is freely given and we are commanded to pray in tongues. We are to be spiritual fruit producers or be hewn down.

      From there it is important to understand the purpose of temptation is to bring us deeper into the things of God. If you don’t have the experience of overcoming something, how can you ever teach that ?
      One needs to overcome in order to be of any use to God or he cannot use us as we are.

      In the transitions of the church over time the denominations have reached a point of limitation as they do not continue to move deeper into the things of God. They have a portion of the truth. Their very existence is evidence that they place their own opinions above the leading of the holy spirit. It deny’s the supernatural power of God to gather his sheep together again into one nation. Ephraim, the lost tribes are now once again gathering and keep the laws, yet have the spiritual aspect which they do not have without the testimony of the messiah. This will make the Jew jealous. We will ascnd God’s holy mountain as ONE NEW MAN.

  • While I am not a big fan of Rick Warren’s teaching in some areas, calling the teaching concerning tithing a heresy is flat out wrong. I’d like to know where in the New Testament Jesus or His apostles explicitly abolished the tithe. Yes, Jesus fulfilled the law and He fulfilled it perfectly so that we would not have to. Once we are redeemed, our desire should be to please Him through obedience to the law. What do you think Jesus will mean when on the day of judgment He will say, “Depart from me you who practice lawlessness?” (Matt. 7:23) How are God’s ministers to receive their support? How is the missionary work of the church to be supported? A worker is worthy of his wages (Matt. 10:10; 1 Cor. 9:14) The tithe in the Old Testament was intended to support God’s ministers and that has not changed.

    • Because a “tithe”, which is to say one-tenth, is a very specific amount, like what you would expect under the Law. Likewise in worship, the Jews were also given a very specific day, the last day of the week, Saturday. As Christian’s, however, our doctrine as found in the Pauline epistles, show us liberty that is not found under the Law. For example, Christians meet usually on a Sunday because the apostles did as laid out in Acts 20:7 (KJV). But there is no command (doctrine) for us to do that. With me so far? When it comes to giving, there is no command of how much or even how often. Paul says that we need to be “cheerful givers” from a “ready heart”. The amount is up to us via our prayer life. Having said all this, perhaps now you see the real danger of Rick Warren’s pathetic begging and twisting the Bible to do it. Warren repeats the word “tithe” so many times it gets drilled into your head “ten percent, ten percent”, and he is FALSELY teaching his people that tithing is a Christian doctrine, as it is clearly not.

      • Bart

        We’re not under law but we are still under the commandments given by God. Jesus said multiple times that you can show that you love him by keeping HIS commandments. This was said in the New Testament multiple times so clearly this is what he wants. While Jesus was the lord of the Sabbath, that doesn’t mean that we are. We therefore must remember sabbath day as the our Lord God has commanded.

  • Robert Perry

    So, to follow your logic of why we are not to follow the teaching of Jesus on the sermon on the mount because in your opinion the people He was teaching are not in our dispensation, I guess you must carry out that same thought out that all Jesus teaching does not apply to the current day believer, both are extremely wrong.

    • Andrew A

      I am pretty sure the answer to your statement is this.

      When it Comes to not just what Jesus said but anything God has put into the Bible you should first look at who God is talking too. As to understand the meaning you need to know who and what God is addressing when a statement is made. Otherwise mistakes happen very easily.

    • Oh, really now? So if you think that everything Jesus said is doctrine for the Christian Church, then please be my guest and try carrying out this command – “They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.” Mark 16:18 (KJV). Any takers?? Lol….no, there are not because a Christian cannot do it. So who was it written to, you ask? Glad you asked! It was written to the Jews that were alive at the time, and it was written to the Jews that will be in the Great Tribulation, otherwise known as the 144,000. Any more questions? 🙂

      • Bert

        HAHA!!!! YEEEEES! Preach it brother! Amen and again I say AMEN! Thank you brother Geoffrey for preaching the truth in love(sometimes love is abrasive and unpleasant…think spankins)

        • “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)

          • matai james

            The law is still binding. Read Romans 13:8-9 1John2:7-9, 1John3:4. For by the law is knowledge of sin. How will u know u have sinned if there is no law?

        • Heather

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  • Lui Telea

    I just wanted to enlighten some of you about tithing. Tithing was not something that was first given or commanded under the dispensation of the Law. Thithing started from Abraham hundreds of years before the Law was given to Moses. You can find the story in Genesis 14 when Tithing was first mentioned. No one commanded Abraham to give tithe or 10% to Melchizedek king of Salem but it was from his heart or in other words it was by faith that Abraham gave 10% to Melchizedek.

    Let me asure you that it is not wrong to Tithe or a sin to tithe. If a christian decided from his heart that he wanted to give 10% to God then he can do so, it is not a sin to tithe. Jesus did not say that it is a sin or it is wrong to tithe, even Paul and the apostles, they never teach that is not for christians to tithe.

    Under the dispensation of grace, anything that we give whether it’s offering or tithe we have to give by faith, not by commanding or enforcing it on the people. If the pastor of a church enforced tithing on his congregants then it is wrong, but it is not wrong if a christian man or woman wants or decides from his own heart to give 10% to God.

    Bless everyone.

    • Yes, I agree, tithing is not a sin in any dispensation. What is a sin, however, is telling Christians in the age of Grace that they must do or that they are commanded to do it. The reason why pastors use the word “tithe” instead of simply saying giving is that they are looking for minimum amounts. If I tell you the Bible says to give, and you make $2,500.00 per week, I might only receive $100 in an offering from you. But if I can sell you on “tithing”, now I have two and a half times that amount – $250 instead of only $100. In Rick Warren’s congregation with his size and salary ranges, you are talking about the difference between hundreds of thousands in giving as compared to millions in “tithing”. I hope this makes things clearly for you, thanks for writing!

  • TeresaB

    June 2015 – GENEVA – The Large Hadron Collider has re-started its scientific investigations after a two-year break for upgrades. Buried below the ground on the France-Switzerland border, it’s hoped the world’s biggest experiment will give us big clues as to how the universe works. For the last two years, physicists have been working on an upgrade to the giant machine, to make it much more powerful. Scientists are now waiting for the first new data to begin flowing from the underground particle smasher.
    The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is a giant tube, like a vast doughnut – more than sixteen miles (27km) long. It’s run by CERN – the European Organization for Nuclear Research – which investigates how our universe is constructed at the tiniest levels. On Wednesday, the vast machine clattered proton beams together at much higher energies than were achieved when it was first switched on in 2010-2013. The higher speeds should allow experts to hunt for signs of new scientific discoveries at the tiniest level imaginable – invisible to the most powerful microscopes.
    On Wednesday morning, operators at the control room in Geneva carefully guided two stable beams of tiny proton particles around the LHC before slamming them into one another at particular points around the ring. Huge detectors at these positions measure the energetic smash-ups, capturing the information to try to find exotic new particles in the sub-atomic wreckage. Cern boss Rolf Heuer congratulated his staff, calling it a “fantastic achievement.” But he warned them not to expect too much too soon: “It’s not going to happen tomorrow… be patient.” But he added: “We are living through a fantastic moment.” Over the coming months, the collisions will happen at faster and faster speeds, enabling the scientists to gather more and more information about how everything that has ever existed fits together. -BBC

  • David Kaplar

    In the modern era of the purpose driven/profit driven/market driven church, Rick Warren is the “Dr. Phil” of Christian pop culture. When you consider that the church is “tax exempt” and that the majority of employees are volunteers whose “reward is in heaven”, it can be a lucrative business… especially if everyone contributes 10% of their income. There was a time in this country when people depended on the Lord, and their families… but now the Government has not only assumed the role of the “wage earning father”, but the role of the church with the never ending welfare programs. We all must be faithful stewards of the resources God has blessed us with. Does Rick Warren provide balance sheets and other financial info so that one can make an informed decision? The time is coming when the Government will call on the church to marry homosexuals… or lose their “tax exempt” status. Just as God will separate the sheep from the goats… He will separate the sheepdogs from the wolves. May God continue to bless you and your ministry Geoffrey… you certainly rattle the cage and rock the boat.

  • Heather

    Test

  • R. Ross

    God bless you brother Geoffrey for such an outstanding article. The part that I appreciate the most is that you tell the readers who OUR APOSTLE is. Many, if not most, people don’t know that Paul is our Apostle and we are commanded to obey him! Phil. 4:9, I Cor. 4:16, I Cor. 11:1, Phil. 3:17, II Tim. 2:7, etc. etc. Also, please compare Rom. 15:8 and 15:16. God is not the author of confusion, and He avoids confusion by giving us an apostle. If everyone will read these verses and just believe what they read, the confusion will go away.

  • Heather

    Finally, has anyone has trouble posting since yesterday? It seems NTEB site went down for a few hours yesterday and then after that, when I tried to post, a message kept coming up “Sucuri
    IP blocked, firewall”. I had to do some adjusting with security in tools to be able to post.
    Did anyone have problems with this?

    • carson

      mine said 405 not allowed lol.

  • Sorry,I couldn’t even get through Warren’s clip you posted on your article. I felt like he was bashing and brainwashing his audience.Thank you so very much for writing this. It was excellent. God bless you.

  • Rick Warren is Anti-Christian ( Antichrist )( 1 John 4:3 KJV ) and muslim brotherhood SYMPATHIZER!!

    Please PRAY for our Judeo-Christian Nation United States of America and Israel-Yisrael Everyday Everyone!!

    Only JUDAISM and CHRISTIANITY is RIGHT as we have the same GOD who art in HEAVEN!! JESUS CHRIST is a JEWISH RABBI and ALIVE at the RIGHT HAND SIDE of GOD our FATHER who art in HEAVEN!!

    Please Everyone “TRUST in the LORD ( ADONAI ) with all Thine HEART and lean NOT on thine own understanding, in all thy ways Acknowledge HIM and HE shall Direct thy Paths”!!

    Please Everyone “TRUST in the LORD ( ADONAI ) JESUS CHRIST with all Thine HEART, HE LOVES Ye All Everyone Forever”!!

    Our True GOD’S LOVE is from HEAVEN ABOVE FOREVERMORE through HIS SON Jesus Christ Forever!!

    Love and Shalom Everyone,

    Kristi

  • Rightly and wrongly dividing the scriptures!!! All who preach “tithing for the believers are in error. Why was the Bible seperated into Old and New Testaments? Those who do not understand this will continue in ignorance. Why is the church looking to be married to Christ, and is that the end.If so the rest of the chapters after Rev 19v9-10 should be removed. Geoffrey if all you want to be is a bride that,s fine . But I see many scriptures that promise greater things. Being a bride do not last long. After the glitz of the wedding and honeymoon is over,then the real living as man and wife begin. Here it is for you to read ,11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
    12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
    13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
    14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
    15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
    16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. Jesus has work to do and he has shed the wedding garment for one “DIPPED IN BLOOD”. qUESTION for you. Who are the “armies” returning with Jesus???????

  • John Brown

    tidings are meant for the preacher to have $700 preteen shirts and 300 dollar haircuts and BMW’s that’s all ridiculous if any preachers living off that money like that then he want to be locked up because he’s the one truly Rob and God but tidings are a necessary part of missionary work so that we can help those that are needy and less fortunate and which Jesus lay down the foundation for us to love one another and in this day in age it does require money to feed somebody so that is her way of helping the church as we get something from the church we also give back it just only seems right but yes I agree that money should not be to fatten up the preacher

  • David

    As we are in the last days, the time of grace has ended. The spiritual call for the ten lost tribes has been sounded by the prophet to the nations for Ephraim to come home, which is meant only for Ephraim to hear.
    Both the northern and southern tribes stumbled, in that the southern tribes failed to see that Jesus was the saviour, and the northern tribes had many alters to sin and were scattered. More than any, it was the lost sheep that Jesus message was given. Judah was not about to go look for them. Indeed, they hated each other.

    The northern tribes greatly sinned against God and changed the festivals and laws so the people would not go back to Jerusalem. God said they would not be known by the tongue they spoke or the color of their skin. However, he said in the last days..( NOW ) He would gather these lost tribes and bring them back into Israel. First Judah, then the lost tribes.
    Genesis 48:19 Jacob blessed Ephraim and said he would become the fullness of the Gentiles. This is the correct interpretation of this verse; if you go back into the Hebrew text you will find this to be the truth.
    Isaiah 8:14 And he shall be for a sanctuary, but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

    We understand that Judah stumbled in seeing Jesus as messiah, However FEW REALIZE that the other house was the northern kingdom. They stumbled over being able to see that the Holy Covenant was still in place.

    These people of the northern kingdom had bcome the fullness of the Gentiles not knowing that they were the lost tribes. They were drawn to Jesus when he came here. The southern kingdom stumbled to see him as messiah, but they kept the law. Thus…BOTH KINGDOMS STUMBLED.

    Hosea 7:8 Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned. He is saying Ephraim has the messiah but not the law.

    Hosea 8:11-123 Because Ephraim hath made many alters to sin, alters shall be unto him to sin. I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing.

    The church is without the fullness of the holy spirit as it is without POWER. The church today is also not lead by any prophet. The church has no revelation knowledge to comprehend the things of which I write here, and again, the spiritual call is only meant for the lost tribes to hear, that we are to gather ourselves to be prepared to return to Jerusalem.

    For those who have the testimony of Yeshua / Jesus, but keEp not the law, cannot expect the blessings of God. The church wants your titghs, but not only are they STILL not as smart as Paul as Peter warned us, but the church does not teach to keep ALL the laws ( accept of course TITHING ) so why keep just a few of the laws and not all the laws ? Does this impress God that you worship on Sunday instead of HIS SABBATH ? And that you keep it holy? Do you keep enough of his commandments for him to bless you at all ? Not if you are still in BABYLON like Rick Warren I say.

    The eyes of Ephraim are beginning to open. God is fulfilling his promise to bring them back into the land that has always been theirs. How can God keep you under the wings of his protection when you spit in his face by ignoring his sabbath ? It is a sign between Israel and God as a covenant forever.
    That only the Jew is to keep the law…IS A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. Surely God will do nothing that he will not first tell to his prophets. The church will never let the prophets led them. Come out of her, lest you partake of her sins, and her judgement that comes quickly.

    • Andrew A

      So your are going to declare the whole church to be mysetoury Babylon?

      You need to reread just about everything Paul wrote. You are completely off base.

      John 3:16 and 17
      16: For God so loved the world. that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

      17: For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

      God did not have Jesus die on the cross to save the Jews but Also the Gentiles. It is a great error to imply that it is just for the Gentiles or the Jews.

      The law you claim was made for us to follow and stay in Gods good graces is not that. It was to separate a people for God a nation of priests for Himself. Not to be the path to salvation. Jesus is the only path to salvation.

      Galations ch 3 vers 10-13 kjv

      10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

      11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

      12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

      13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

      That was only a small bit of Galatians Paul address your specific charges that we must follow the law and declares that wrong.

      Finally on Christians and impressing God Paul says this in

      Ephesians 2 8-9 (kjv)
      8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

      9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

      10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

      No Born Again Christian does what they do to impress God it is because God has planed for us to do them it is that simple. Their is NO lack of knowledge in Paul’s words and they stand opposite to what you have to say. Rethink were you are and come out from under the burden of the law. As mentioned at the top of the post the price has already been paid.

  • truth seeker

    Geoffrey, you are 100% right on this issue…I have told Assemblies of God preachers about how tithing is not applicable to us in the 21st Century and one of them banned me from his church (sic)…I don’t have the time to do the research. But You are doing a pretty good job defending the truth and won’t need my help. Keep up the good work.

  • Angel

    While I understand your argument that we are no longer under the Law, God still expects us to live by the principles given. He promises us to be blessed and rewarded for giving back to Him. I have been tithing for several years, and the Lord always takes care of me financially. But, we must give with a generous heart. Here are several examples:

    And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work. As it is written, ‘He has scattered abroad his gifts to the poor; his righteousness endures forever.’ Now he who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will also supply and increase your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness. You will be made rich in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion,and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God. This service that you perform is not only supplying the needs of God’s people but is also overflowing in many expressions of thanks to God” (II Corinthians 9:8-12).

    “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver” (II Corinthians 9:7).

    “Give,and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap” (Luke 6:38).

    That being said, I do disagree with Rick Warren’s request to sign a contract. Seems like spiritual arm twisting, and that is not at all biblical.

    Tithing or just giving any amount back to God is the only thing we are to test Him on. He promises to give back. Just try it and you will be amazed at how you will be blessed.

  • You have clearly stated FALSELY that this pastor said this: Quoting you… ‘But when you get to the end of Warren’s video and he is telling his congregation that “people won’t be in Heaven because you didn’t tithe 10% of your income” for 36 months, well that’s not only nonsense, and unbiblical, it’s a blatant attempt to extort his people into giving.’ This is absolutely a blatant LIE- I listened to the entire message, and although I agree that Malachi 3:10 does not pertain to Christians, your hypocritical Axe that you are grinding is unconscionable!

    SHAME ON YOU!

    • Andrew A

      At 32:25 in the video Rick Warren tells the congregation God will be upset with them if they don’t do it. That you will have to give an accounting to God and he will be ashamed that you did not give money to rick warren and his church.

      That is a blatantly judgmental statement designed to emotional manipulate someone into doing it. Not only is he implying their is no good reason not to do it but that it is a sin to not give him money. The start of the video claims this is supposed to be a challenge to build a relationship with God (don’t get me started on not testing the lord your God if we want to reference Mosaic Law) To better grow as a christian not do this or you have and are sinning because you decided not to. The Illusion is reviled for what it is a wish for money not for better relationship with God.

      Going to use Acts as their is a reference that covers this subject.

      Acts Chapter 5: Death of Ananias
      Death of Ananias
      Acts 5:1-6

      1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

      2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.

      3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

      4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

      5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

      6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.

      The reason he died was not because he didn’t give all but that he lied to God about how much he gave. Peter even says speaking for the Holy Spirit that it was his to give as he wished their was no need to lie about it and hold back. If he only wanted to give a part that would of been fine as long as he was upfront about it to God.

      Rick Warren however is saying No its not ok to hold back. That it is not yours to do with as you wish. Give me what I ask or its a sin to God.

  • Kathleen Peter

    I’m with Santos, you are seriously misquoting Pastor Rick and I would caution you at throwing stones as you will be held accountable. At none of his services did Rick say this. What he did say was that he would hate for anyone to miss out on the blessings God bestows on you when you give to him. “Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. And thereby put me to the test, says the Lord of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need.” – also found in Malachi 3. Rick’s heart is to raise money to support all the programs that Saddleback Church has to help those you mention, the poor, the homeless, the sick, the jobless, families in crisis…Some join a secular organization to receive all the benefits of the programs it offers…Saddleback does this for free and only depends on the generosity of those who are church members. Pastor Rick himself does not personally benefit, in fact, he gives himself to the church and does not receive a salary or any of this money. I would kindly suggest you get your facts straight before publishing such an article. “You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”

    And this is very biblical.

    • Andrew A

      Again Rick Warren said qoute: 32:35 “…..One day thier are going to be people standing before God who were at saddle back church and He will say I gave you this great opportunity to make a difference at saddle back church and I gave you an opportunity to grow in faith. I gave you an opportunity to practice my promeses and I ga[ve].. and you didn’t do it. What were you thinking?”

      At 33:19 Rick warren has just said he wants people to think on if they should take the pledge and finishes with. Qoute: “One day you will give an account to God on that [decision]. (being the decision to do his pledge or not)

      Hours can and have been spent by people explaining everything wrong with a “Pastor” claiming that if you don’t tith (incorrect use of the word tith but discussion for another day.) or Give money then God will be upset with you and that will be a sin. God wants you to live by faith in his sacrifice not faith in your tith if you are trusting in a tith to give you happiness you are praying to the god of mon not God most High. Rick Warren is asking you to Trust in a tith for blessings. Sure he Uses the word God and quotes scriptures but the message in his conclusion is clear Give money receive blessing don’t give money and God will reject you.

      How is that Christian?

      How is that Christ dieing on a cross taking the worlds sin so that we may be freed from death?

      Were is that message in this?

      Which (by the way) is the only Message that should concern a Servant of God charged with attending his flock. As it is the only message that allows you to be Saved. As only by accepting the Sacrifice on the Cross can one be made new.

  • Yeah

    If the law is gone like so many here are saying… then why are so many posts here about homosexuality for example? ( And no, I am not in support of it )
    How is it a sin, if we are no longer under the old testament law?
    Or are you going to say you will pick and choose which old testament law is okay and condemn people with it?

    And God’s Sabbath was put in place from the very beginning of creation, even before the law was written. You can even see the Sabbath on the 7th day preserved in languages all over the world where variations on the word are kept. Yet so many will continue to argue it is Sunday, based on one little thing in the bible that alluded to a possible sabbath with breaking of bread?
    SURELY if the Seventh-Day Sabbath made holy and sanctified by God that was in place from the beginning of creation were ended or changed, they would be SCREAMING about it in scripture. But they are not, because it was never changed.
    But you do see the scriptures talking quite a lot about the issue of circumcision being not necessary anymore….
    So, if the Sabbath were changed, surely it would have gotten similar attention?

    And God does regard the Israelite/Jew as his chosen people, and the Gentiles are the ones grafted in. So yes, we are to learn the law too, as we are to be grafted in with them. We are not separate in that way…
    But keeping the law to justify your own righteousness is the curse the bible speaks of. NO ONE CAN DO IT PERFECTLY, SO IF YOU THINK YOU ARE JUSTIFIED BY IT, YOU ARE CURSING YOURSELF. Even one mistake means you have already sinned and are worthy of hell, so it is only by keeping the law in mind and trying to keep it along WITH Jesus salvation that we can be saved.
    If we accept Jesus salvation but continue sinning without repentance, are we saved? No.
    WHAT IS SIN, OTHER THAN THE BREAKING OF GOD’S LAW?
    WHAT CAN BE SIN WITHOUT GOD’S LAW? HIS COMMANDMENTS??
    So yes, you do need to follow the commandments of God, but you will not be saved by them alone. This is the gift of Salvation that Jesus brought, because we would be doomed otherwise.
    And you know what, a lot of the law doesn’t even apply to every person.
    Some laws are specific to women, or to men, or to priests. Some laws are gone, regarding sacrifice because Jesus came as the sacrifice…
    So these laws you think are so burdensome are not, it is only the corrupted minds of us humans who will not keep them and become used to that and think it’s too hard…
    People will keep pagan holidays like Halloween and Christmas ( not for the birth of Christ, but a material and secular holiday with Santa clause and pagan trees and all that nonsense ) before they will keep and celebrate actual HOLY DAYS ( holidays ) that are in the bible? Why is that?? Seems odd, no?
    Even Easter is a deception – as it is a pagan tradition to worship some Fertiliy Goddess named Easter, and the easter egg hunt is based on how the people would search for the reincarnation of the Goddess in an egg, and they would receive a blessing. Rabbits are also a symbol of fertility, obviously.

    So people will rather keep such practices of Satan in combination with Jesus???

    Anyway, Jesus came to clear away what the Pharisees were doing, by adding ORAL law to the WRITTEN law, thus making it a burden, which was what he was doing away with, not the law itself.

    It doesn’t make sense to change the day of Sabbath when such a commandment was never made to change it. If it were, it would be in the bible.
    Whether or not keeping God’s day holy is more important than keeping a tradition of men who changed it, that is up to every person.
    It doesn’t make sense to say you believe in God, but yet refuse to keep a commandment that was never done away with, but keep the others?
    You will argue God doesn’t care what day you keep as long as you love him?
    But if you love him, why are you not keeping the day HE kept? Why keep clinging to your lies?

    • Yeah

      Also, a person is free to worship God every day of the week if they like, but this is different from keeping Sabbath as a holy day of rest.
      6 days we are to labor, the 7th we rest and keep it holy and sanctified.

      So many keeping Sunday, they don’t even keep it holy and sanctified and free from work. They will even make other people work for them on that day by going out to eat or shopping.
      But God made it clear to not even have your servants working for you on that day.

      • Yeah

        And by on that day – I mean the 7th Day Sabbath, not Sunday – Satan’s counterfeit Sabbath.

      • Yeah

        on that day – referring to 7th day Sabbath, not Satan’s counterfeit Sunday “Sabbath”.

  • What a sorry state of people who call themselves chrisrian believers. Most of you ,if not all need to enroll in an English Class. Sabbath keepers and commandment keepers please see my video on the commandments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7VOVWunwWk&feature=youtu.be. All your questions are answered there.visit my website at the top. This will save me time in explaining here. Here are more of my videos https://www.youtube.com/my_videos?o=U

  • What a sorry state of people who call themselves christian believers. Most of you ,if not all need to enroll in an English Class. Sabbath keepers and commandment keepers please see my video on the commandments. Where were the Gentiles when the Ten Commandments were given Did God send Moses to them? When Israel went into the promise Did the priest and the Levites go to the other nations with the commandments?Can you find one scripture from Exodus to Malichi to show that the Laws of Moses were commanded on any other nation other than Israel. Can you explain to me How you keep the sabbath???. Was Israel given precise detail and do you do the same? Is there a difference between The commandments, and the Law. Jesus said He came to “fulfill the Law”. He came to redeem those under the “curse of the Law” no commandments. Gal 3v 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: What is the “curse of the Law” sabbath keepers?? The days had no names from creation only numbers until The Julian Calendar. Sabbath meaning rest was the seventh day as well as the Holy days.
    There is truth and alot of error in church doctrine>

  • Eddie

    Dang… After 54 years of my life living on this beautiful planet we call earth that was made by the hands of an unseen,LOVING and merciful God…. I have resolved and decided to ignore the unbelieveing, atheistic and anti-christian unbelievers. We can`t convince them that God`s Laws were FOR us not against us.
    This world doesn`t belong to us anyway so I look forward to living Forever and singing to God/Allah Almighty for Eternity because
    THE Unbelieving God haters wont be in our midst,critizising us money Tithers, that were taught by GOOD Pastors like Rick Warren.
    I feel sorry for you who dont hear what God is telling you do with the Money HE GIVES YOU!
    I am sooo glad all of us s crazy Bible thumping Jesus loving Christians won`t have to hear you complain about GIVING just %10 of your hard earned money… Frigin cheapskates….
    Goodbye you fools!! Have a good life on this old planet you call home!

    • Andrew A

      John 3:16 and 17
      16: For God so loved the world. that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

      17: For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

      Please point out the part were God says “you have to tith its not enough to just believe in him.” Because Bible says that is all that is needed.

  • Eddie

    Remember Noah and the Ark?
    The Flood is a fact, not fiction and definately not a Russell Crowe version either.

  • me

    Tell me how it cost twenty grand to run a website? False.

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