Pope Francis On Frantic Quest To Unite All Religions Under Rome

Pope Francis's call for unity goes beyond the Christian community. During his recent visit to the Middle East, Francis invited Israeli Jewish and Muslim leaders to join him in prayer for peace for their region at the Vatican this Sunday. Israel's Chief of State Shimon Peres and Palestinian President Abu Mazen will be joined by a delegation of rabbis, Islamic imams, and Israeli Druze community leaders, according to news reports.
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The Pope is working to combine all religions into one

And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.” Revelation 17:6

Pope Francis is a man on a mission to fulfill bible prophecy, and he is getting more done than any other Pope in the last 100 years. Pope Francis is here to make some serious and drastic changes not only in the Catholic Vatican system, in the professing Christianity as well.  He is creating the One World Religion.

Pastor Joel Osteen and Mormon Senator Meet With Pope Francis For One World Religion from Now The End Begins on Vimeo.

The bible, in Revelation 17 and 18, talks about a harlot church that rules the spiritual world. She is wealthy beyond description, and all the kings and mighty men of the earth want to be in a spiritual bed with her. The bible says that she is a city that “sitteth on seven hills”, and is “drunk with the blood of the saints”. This can only be one system, one place, one church – the Roman Catholic Church whose Vatican headquarters sits on the famed Seven Hills in Rome.

This week, not only did Pope Francis hold ecumenical services in the Vatican where he prayed to the moon god of Islam, Allah, he also held high level meetings with megachurch pastor Joel Osteen and US Senator Mike Lee who was there to represent the Mormon church. The actors have taken the stage, with more still arriving, in the unfolding of what will one day soon be the wildest bible prophecy ever told – the Great Tribulation.

Joel Osteen was enthralled with the fact that Pope Francis is so inclusive:

“I like the fact that this pope is trying to make the church larger, not smaller. He’s not pushing people out but making the church more inclusive. That resonated with me,” Osteen told the Houston Chronicle. 

The Christian Post reports that according to Westmont College, Francis had invited more than a dozen “North American Protestant leaders” to discuss the question: “Can we find common ground in order to advance the life and ministry of Jesus so more people can experience the joy of Christian faith?”

 The ecumenical meeting was a part of Pope Francis’ on-going efforts to bring unity among Christians, previously stating in public remarks, “Divisions among us, but also divisions among the communities: evangelical Christians, orthodox Christians, Catholic Christians, but why divided? We must try to bring about unity.”

However, Pope Francis’s call for unity goes beyond the Christian community. During his recent visit to the Middle East, Francis invited Israeli Jewish and Muslim leaders to join him in prayer for peace for their region at the Vatican this Sunday. Israel’s Chief of State Shimon Peres and Palestinian President Abu Mazen will be joined by a delegation of rabbis, Islamic imams, and Israeli Druze community leaders, according to news reports.

 

 

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  • STL

    Hail! The False Prophet! Pope Francis. It only a matter of a short time before the 7 year Tribulation begins!

    • Peter

      What makes him a false prophet? Pope Francis is only trying to create peace in the world. This website has a lot of good information I agree with but false misconceptions about Catholicism.

      • Bill

        Jesus, Paul, Peter and John make it clear there can be no fellowship between light and darkness. those who deny the deity of Christ are antichrist and darkness. the pope is promoting such fellowship.

    • anthony

      what a pile of nonsense you write.

  • JT

    REVELATION 18:24 Mystery Babylon
    And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

    LUKE 13:31-34
    The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee.

    And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

    **Nevertheless I must walk today, and tomorrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.**

    Jesus said a prophet CAN NOT perish outside of Jerusalem…Mystery Babylon Identified.

    • Brenda Murphy

      Right, JT!

      Jerusalem and Israel- has always been the harlot-they need to study Old and New testament together.

      • sayanim

        THE ONLY HARLOT CHURCH IS THE RCC, WHICH SITS ON SEVEN HILLS.

        • Brenda Murphy

          The devil has his decoys. The Catholic church is of the antichrist spirit, just like many others, but it never was the apple of God’s eye, now, was it?

          • Revelation 2:9

            Hey Brenda, you know what a sayanim is?

        • Revelation 2:9

          I know what a sayanim is you rat!

          “The secret to Israel’s force-multiplier in the U.S. is its use of agents, assets and sayanim (Hebrew for volunteers)… With oversight by Israeli case officers (katsas), Israeli operations proceed in the U.S. by using agents, assets and volunteers (sayanim).”

          “Much like military reservists, sayanim are activated when needed to support an operation. By agreeing to be available to help Israel, they provide an on-call undercover corps and force-multiplier that can be deployed on short notice… When not aiding an ongoing operation, sayanim gather and report intelligence useful to Israel. This volunteer corps is deeply imbedded in legislative bodies, particularly in the U.S.”

          “I want to tell you something very clear, don’t worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.” – Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, October 3rd, 2001.

          According to Viktor Ostrovsky: “There are thousands of sayanim around the world… You have at your disposal a non-risk recruitment system that actually gives you a pool of millions of Jewish people to tap from outside your own borders.”

          • Brenda Murphy

            oh

    • Ron Murphy

      Amen, JT. To go with that in Luke 13,

      Luk 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
      Luk 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

      Desolate! as in abomination of desolation. Thank God for those that have eyes to see and ears to hear. Even the two prophets will prophesy in Jerusalem, and will die and lay dead in the street of Jerusalem. It is written, the great city, where our Lord was crucified, Rev 11:8

      Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

    • emeka

      tell the name of your own church and i will tell you the real anti-Christ

    • I’m going to re-post my thoughts on the “Rapture” that I posted regarding another article on NTEB. Please take the time to Study the information on the web-link that I provided. God Bless.

      There will be NO Pre-tribulation Rapture. It is a trick by Satan to deceive one into believing that the first one proclaiming to be God is God. Why would the ones left behind in a Pre-tribulation scenario have any reservations NOT to take the Mark of the Beast? They wouldn’t. So who will be the unwilling if all of the Christians were already “Raptured?” If Bible believing Christians believe for one minute that there will not be any suffering or Severe persecution, you have been deceived. There WILL be a Rapture but NOT as most Christians believe. Please study the information on this web-link and maybe you will have a better understanding of what is to come. Ask The Lord for discernment and may God Bless you.

      http://housechurchesuk.weebly.com/the-secret-rapture-lie.html

  • The Rapture happens BEFORE the Tribulation starts. The Church is witnessing the “warm-up” but we will be taken OUT before the Tribulation actually begins. http://nowtheendbegins.com/pages/rapture/the-pretribulation-rapture-explained.htm

    • Veritus

      No. There is no such thing as a rapture before the tribulation.

    • Matt

      Yes there is a Rapture. Just like Lot was rescued from Sodom and Gomorrah God has a history of taking the believers out prior to the destruction. It will be far better for those who choose light rather than darkness now and taken in the rapture rather than having to do this during the dark, dark times of the tribulation.

      16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

      17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

      • Sandra Farrell

        AMEN!

      • shal

        now how does that bible text say anything about a rapture, this text is clearly speaking about the second coming of Christ. you are misinterpreting bible information.

        • The second coming of Christ is a staged event; for saints (after tribulation), with saints (during wrath) 😉

          P.S. The bible is sadly the most misunderstood book 🙁

    • Ron Murphy

      It would be believable if you had Bible, but you just don’t have it. God’s word is supreme, mans understanding is blah and dim, at best. What you have is nothing more the Jesus’ account of Matthew 24, accepting that is hard meat to chew for some.

      • larry wood

        Ron, You are right ,It is to him that believeth,It must not be for you

        • Ron Murphy

          Yes that is correct, it’s not for me. I believe in the Bible, it says, just after tribulation, Jesus will gather his elect, from all over heaven and earth. My friend, that is not his coming from heaven to war, for then we will not have to be gathered, but we will be following him. Those horses we will be riding will not get lost. They are heavenly horses with mighty features, Rev 9:17.

          This is the battle when he returns, not Matthew 24:31.
          Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

          Why can’t you distinguish the difference?

    • Happy wishful dreaming, as God has future holy plans for the church, and the rapture escape is definitely not first on the task list 😉

  • STL

    NTEB: remember our discussion of the 4 Blood moons? I guess the 1st Blood Moon that occurred on April 15, 2014 is show us about the event of Pope Francis as the False Prophet, calling on Israel and Muslims join into ONE WORLD RELIGION. Now the next Blood Moon happens Oct. 8, 2014, what next event will happen to Israel and the World?

  • Revelation 2:9

    In 1492 CE, Chemor, chief Rabbi of Spain, wrote to the Grand Sanhedrin, which had its seat in Constantinople, for advice, when a Spanish law threatened expulsion (after the fall of Muslim rule in spain).

    This was the reply:

    ” Beloved brethren in Moses, we have received your letter in which you tell us of the anxieties and misfortunes which you are enduring. We are pierced by as great pain to hear it as yourselves. The advice of the Grand Satraps and Rabbis is the following:

    1. As for what you say that the King of Spain obliges you to become Christians: do it, since you cannot do otherwise.
    2. As for what you say about the command to despoil you of your property: make your sons merchants that they may despoil, little by little, the Christians of theirs.
    3. As for what you say about making attempts on your lives: make your sons doctors and apothecaries, that they may take away Christians’ lives.
    4. As for what you say of their destroying your synagogues: make your sons canons and clerics in order that they may destroy their churches. [Emphasis mine]
    5. As for the many other vexations you complain of: arrange that your sons become advocates and lawyers, and see that they always mix in affairs of State, that by putting Christians under your yoke you may dominate the world and be avenged on them.
    6. Do not swerve from this order that we give you, because you will find by experience that, humiliated as you are, you will reach the actuality of power.

    (Signed) PRINCE OF THE JEWS OF CONSTANTINOPLE.”
    ———— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— —-
    The reply is found in the sixteenth century Spanish book, La Silva Curiosa, by Julio-Iniguez de Medrano (Paris, Orry, 1608), on pages 156 and 157, with the following explanation: “This letter following was found in the archives of Toledo by the Hermit of Salamanca, (while) searching the ancient records of the kingdoms of Spain; and, as it is expressive and remarkable, I wish to write it here.” — vide, photostat facing page 80. ~ The above was quoted from Waters Flowing Eastward by Paquita de Shishmareff, pp. 73-74

  • This pope is UN-holy and dead WRONG!! APOTHSY!!

  • Larry Grant

    …”that day shall not come until all these things be fulfilled”…
    I just wonder when Joel Osteen is going to come out of the closet?

  • watchman48

    Amazing, this idiocy matches that which is in the White House…

  • Dan (required)

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/mystery-babylon-is-mecca-not-vatican/

    Is the mystery babylon Saudi Arabia or Rome ?

    • Rapture true.. timing false 😉

    • “Does the Bible not state: “At the last trumpet, we all will be changed”? So, what is that last trumpet referring, if the first 6 haven’t been already sounded”

      @Henco: Suppose the trumpets are actually blowing? 😉

      http://aeroventure.com/REVELATION/7-TRUMPETS.htm

    • “The Great Tribulation will be the Time of Jacob’s Trouble. The Church of Christ will not be on Earth at that time”

      @Kenneth: Prove all things if you can 😉

    • “The Jews are the ‘elect’ of God and the Christians are the ‘redeemed’ of God”

      @Kenneth: Prove such balderdash if you even can 😉

      Rom 8:33 KJV – Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth.

      Col 3:12 KJV – Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

      Tit 1:1 KJV – Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

  • Robieone

    I definitely believe in the pre-trib rapture. I believe that Revelation clearly states that GOD will keep us from the hour of tribulation. And you would have to ignore a great deal of scripture if you don’t believe in it.
    GOD will not let HIS church go through the hell of tribulation. That is inconsistent with who HE is. Thank you and God bless.

    • Saying that you don’t believe that God allowing His church to go through tribulation is inconsistent with who He is, is rediculous. Look at the suffering men and women have endured for His name through the centuries and even today in muslim states. Talk to the Voice of the Martyrs if you wonder if suffering for God is consistant with who He is.

      Years ago, God told me that the god of North America is comfort. This is demonstrated through many unbiblical North American church doctrines, like the prosperity gospel, the positive confession movement, the name it and claim it movement, and the Pre-Tribulation movement. All of these movements claim we will be kept from sorrow, sickness and poverty.

      As for the Pre-Tribulation theology, Jesus prayed to the Father and said:
      John 17:15-21
      I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one. They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth.
       “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

      Matthew 10:17-22
      Beware of men, for they will deliver you over to courts and flog you in their synagogues, and you will be dragged before governors and kings for my sake, to bear witness before them and the Gentiles. When they deliver you over, do not be anxious how you are to speak or what you are to say, for what you are to say will be given to you in that hour. For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. Brother will deliver brother over to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death, and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

      We must endure until the end in faith in the Heavenly Father’s Messiah to be saved.

      Matthew 24:21-31
      For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ! ’ or ‘There he is! ’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.
      The Coming of the Son of Man
       “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

      • Dan (required)

        Jim, I can only share this with you brother concerning the church.
        It is also the reasons I am a pre-triber.
        The church is mentioned nineteen times in Revelation from chapters 1-3 and isn’t mentioned once as being on earth from chapters 4-19 and it’s in these chapters that the great outpouring of G-d’s wrath is described in detail! It’s also very interesting that in chapters 2 and 3 we read “He who has an ear, let him hear what the spirit says to the churches” repeated seven times, while in chapter 13 we see:” if anyone has an ear, let him hear. This is the same warning except that the churches is left out! It seems unthinkable that G-d would omit mention of the Church if it were still on earth during these devastating judgments .
        Of course see for yourself Jim but in the end we’re still waiting for the same thing. I matters little to me. The very fact that it’s happening makes me beat my chest with joy! Blessings

      • Saint in Light

        Jim-
        2 Timothy 2:15
        Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing(Rightly Dividing) the word of truth.

        Ephesians 3:2
        If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

        We the body/bride of Christ,live in the dispensation of Grace.
        We are saved by grace Through faith and Not of WORKS, lest Any man should Boast.

        We are Not Lordship Salvationists needing to “persevere until the end” showing Jesus by our works that we are “Worthy” for our salvation.
        This denies the Gospel of Grace and the finished work of Jesus on the cross and His Resurrection.

        For those Left Behind, this Will be the case.The age of Grace will be over after the rapture.

        Make sure Jim, you didn’t get “saved” through “Works” and anything you had to do other than, ONLY BELIEVE.
        1 John 5:13
        These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

        • Brenda Murphy

          Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
          Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
          Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
          Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

          • Amadea

            But you really need to read the entire passage, right down to verse 26: “for as the body is dead apart from the Spirit, so also faith is dead apart from works.” It isn’t works that save us, it is that we exhibit works and Spiritual fruit BECAUSE we are saved. And James is saying that those who say they are saved but do no works are deceiving themselves, because if your faith in Jesus Christ has truly saved you, you will want to do works for HIM. That is the Holy Spirit working in you. People in the OldTestament were justified by works as evidence of their faith in God Almighty. But we today receive such justification and grace through Jesus Christ. I mean, even atheists do good works. Does that mean that those who do not believe in God are justified? Jesus said, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except by Me.” John 14:6

          • Brenda Murphy

            Yes, I KNOW that it is our faith in Christ that saves us, but we have to bear fruits, or the tree is plucked up, and burned in the fire.

            uk 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
            Luk 3:9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
            Luk 3:10 And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then?
            Luk 3:11 He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.

            Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
            Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
            Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
            Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
            Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
            Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
            Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
            Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
            Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
            Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
            Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
            Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
            Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

      • Amadea

        Gather His elect FROM ONE END OF HEAVEN to the other!!! The elect are in heaven. How do we get there???? We meet the LORD in the air at the Rapture. Jesus does not come to earth in the Rapture. His Second Coming is a separate event which occurs AT THE END of the tribulation. Another point is that no one is to know the day and the hour of the coming of the LORD. If the Rapture is to come either mid- or post trib, we WOULD know the day, for sure. (3-1/2 years from the beginning of the trib or seven years. It could be calculated.). Not that any of this speculation really makes a difference to bona fide Christians, who are called to be prepared both in and out of season. Marantha, LORD Jesus!

        • Brenda Murphy

          Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
          Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
          Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

        • Actually, there is a second worse part to the tribulation, but it’s not called tribulation per se 😉

          Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

          What is being implied above? I believe it is describing the effects of global nuclear war. And Joel gives us a vivid clue in below scripture.

          Joe 2:30-31 KJV – And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

          P.S. Does not ‘pillars of smoke’ picture mushroom clouds? 😉

  • TeresaB

    Guess What City Is the New Islamic Tourism Capital? Hint: It’s Not in a Majority-Muslim Country

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/08/jerusalem-chosen-as-tourism-capital-for-islam/

  • Teresa

    Can someone that is well read tell me something I can read to understand Evangelical verse Roman Catholic. The RCC believes they have endured for 2,000 years and are the only true church. I understand the Mormons and Jehovah Witness but the RCC I am not sure of. I read but still can not answer apologist from them. My grandchildren are in RCC school and being raised RCC. I am well grounded in my salvation and I am not sure of their RCC salvation.

    • They believe when Jesus said to Peter..upon this rock I will build my church was Peter..St Peter. That is not what Jesus meant by that statement. Peter was to preach God’s truth Word..Rock..to all nations.Peter didn’t take it that way. Jesus is our Rock..Rock of our salvation. Catholisism has turned the christain church upside down. If only our reformers could come back and see what their people are doing with the truth they once had. There is even people saying that the reformation never occured..hummm..Just like the aunshewitz. We who believe in the Bible as truth and the whole truth and don’t trade our convictions for traditions…will come out winners.Theres no praying to Mary (Immaculate heart) Jesus is the Way, Truth, and Life (Light) If more people read their bibles and asked God’s guidance and not take every John, Dick and Harrys word about it..The truth would be reveiled. I was raised Catholic, my mother was Baptist. I worshipped with the Lutherns,Baptists Methodists,Episcopalians, and Congregationalist. Nazarenes,Assembly of God, and non-denomination groups. Of all the denominations I have attended in over 50yrs. I came accross the Seventh Day Adventists. I do not plan on leaving this fine denomination, For here I am finding truth in scripture and doing my best, with Gods help, to live it. i have an understanding of the beast, harlot, and satans deception. I encourage everyone to pick up that dusty bible and read. The books of Daniel and Revelation go hand in hand. May god bless you in this reading. You can always pray for anyone..He hears us…

    • joeclark77

      The Catholic Church is the Church founded by Jesus at the last supper. The eleven apostles (twelve minus Judas) named their own successors, who named their own successors, and so on, down to the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox bishops living today. Any modern Catholic bishop can trace his holy orders all the way back to one of the original apostles.

      If you want to learn more about what the Church teaches, the most reliable way is to look at the universal Catechism of the Catholic Church where it’s all laid out in black and white. There are several good apologists online. Catholic Answers (catholic.com) has links to several of them and has special pages for non-Christians and for non-Catholic Christians (http://www.catholic.com/for-other-christians) that may help you find what you’re looking for. A couple of good bloggers I recommend are Jimmy Akin and Joe Heschmeyer.

      • “The Catholic Church is the Church founded by Jesus at the last supper”

        False doctrine 🙁 The Catholic Church was founded by Constantine, as a compromise between Christianity and Paganism 😉

    • Sandyz

      Yes, Teresa a book by Karl Keating, titled Catholicism and Fundamentalism, Ignatious Press. One of the best books I’ve read. Explains so many misconceptions about the Catholic Church.

    • Sandy Zerkel

      Hello Teresa, one of the best books I have read explaining the misconceptions about the Catholic Church is by Karl Keating. It’s simply titled “Catholicism and Fundamentalism.”

    • Lisa
    • @Teresa: The HRCC is a cauldron of lies, and the Vatican is steeped in the occult. What more can I say? Anyway, you can warn others, but you can’t change their religions, only God can do that by miracle aspect.

    • “The time of the Gentiles ceases at the beginning of the Tribulational period”

      @Gary: Not true, it ceases at the end of tribulation period 😉

      Rev 11:1-2 KJV – And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

      P.S. The tribulation is not 7 years as is commonly believed by many.

    • The end is when things get real bad, not so much during the short tribulation. Also the church departs before the end prevails, and so we miss the darkest hour on the planet 🙂

      • Brenda Murphy

        Not so, Mark. we won’t be taken until the last Gentile be come in, by martyrdom, I would presume, then and only then, can he resurrect His martyrs-the ones that die in Christ. Then He can come and resurrect all the martyrs that have ever been, and take them home, that’s why he is meeting them in the air, to take them home–until the wrath of God is poured out on the unbelievers—then Christ will come back with the saints(martyrs), to exact vengeance on those that know not God, and will destroy the beast(antichrist), and the false prophet-in the lake of fire.

        Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
        Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
        Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
        Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
        Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
        Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
        Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
        Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
        Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
        Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
        Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

        Then the martyrs will reign with Christ a thousand years, on the earth..

        Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
        Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
        Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
        Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
        Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
        Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

        After that, satan will be loosed again…..

        Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
        Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
        Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
        Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
        Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
        Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
        Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
        Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
        Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

        After satan is destroyed, then the Great White Throne judgment, in which the rest of the dead will be judged–ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS–as it says in the verses above.

        • STL

          Brenda: You need to choodse better words, Satan will not be destroyed, yes he will be sentence to the pit as all unbelievers, but destroyed never!

          • “Satan will not be destroyed”

            @STL: Uhmm.. YOU ARE DEAD WRONG AGAIN 🙁

            Rev 20:10 KJV – And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

            P.S. Unless you think the ‘lake of fire’ is just a pit? 😉

        • “Not so, Mark. we won’t be taken until the last Gentile be come in, by martyrdom, I would presume, then and only then, can he resurrect His martyrs-the ones that die in Christ”

          @Brenda: You obviously don’t know the bible as well as you think you do 🙁

          Hint: The martyrs come after tribulation during the wrath 🙂

          Rev 14:9-10, 13 KJV – And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: … And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

          Rev 15:1-2 KJV – And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

          P.S. One can’t be in the future martyr group unless they fail the rapture, and submit to the beast 😉

          • Brenda Murphy

            So, you are pre, mid, and post trib, all rolled into one? Gotcha!

          • Nay, I’m none of them, I’m as the bible relates 😉

            P.S. The tribulation storm is now here, it is the Islamic invasion of the entire world 🙁

            Question: Are you ready to bow down to Allah Brenda? Or will you boldly deny Islam as your head is chopped off? 🙂

            Do you think I’m joking? Islam has already conquered many countries from within, and without any battle. And America even has now become an Islamic nation 🙁

    • “I believe that we will be tested and maybe have to go thru hard times that we have never experienced before”

      @Mary: Life itself is an endless time of trials and tribulations for all mankind, not just for Christians 😉

      P.S. All Christians (true believers) are sealed unto redemption, no matter our doctrinal differences 🙂

    • “What sadly most Catholics fail to really comprehend Jesus went to the cross in our place .He did this to offer us the free gift of forgiveness and assurance of heaven .Not like catholic and many other groups who think they can merit their own salvation by doing works”

      @Daniel: Yes it’s sad, but Satan has his grip on the churches, just as he has his grip on the world. Fact is, Satan keeps the church bound, while he lets the world go free. But things are changing now in many strange ways, as our world freedom is gradually being taken away too.

    • @Daniel: Yes I do believe we are in the final generation, and very close to the edge as well. As for the blood moons idea, it’s only called a blood in a couple places, else-wise it’s simply stated, ‘moon darkened’. Same factor with sun and stars.. dimming aspect. Like would be the case with a global nuclear holocaust.. just a funky thought though 😉

      P.S. Air pollution also causes sky dimming phenomena, and can be a nasty effect in certain places, plus enough pollution can have global impact. The 3rd and 5th trumpet declare such wonders 🙂

      http://aeroventure.com/REVELATION/7-TRUMPETS.htm

  • Rick

    The false prophet will be of Jewish descent. There is no need to speculate concerning antichrist. The rapture will occur before the tribulation can begin. The rapture is imminent.

  • Dan (required)

    I still believe brothers and sisters in Christ that nothing really matters until we first have a temple. Keep your eyes on the dome of the rock. Something will happen unexpected that will destroy this site. Maybe an earth quake but maybe a bombing. In the 70’s there was plans to blow the dome up by a group of Israelis. But, the plot was stopped by members in the Israeli government because of fear that it would disrupt the worlds acceptance of a state of Israel that was already being contested by the Palestinians.

    • “I still believe brothers and sisters in Christ that nothing really matters until we first have a temple. Keep your eyes on the dome of the rock. Something will happen unexpected that will destroy this site”

      @Dan: The Dome actually covers the place where Abraham offered up Issac, and where the second temple stood.. according to varied sources. In fact the Dome itself is nothing more than a huge empty cavern, with a giant mound of open dirt and rock exposed at it’s center. As for it’s future destruction, I imagine it will be by missile.

      http://youtu.be/vs27BkLkYq0

      P.S. Daniels final week can’t begin as long as the Dome prevails 🙁

    • Uhmm.. ‘all roads lead to Rome’ is not biblical prophecy 🙁

      P.S. There is only one true church, the ‘body of Christ’ 🙂

    • Brenda Murphy

      You are waiting for the antichrist, then…for he will unite all the false religions, into the worshipping of….Himself!

    • Brenda Murphy

      Amen!!!

    • “I’d be weiry of this Illuminati”

      @Mary: The Illuminati control the world 🙁

    • @Mary: The Catholic church and other such false religious institutions, instruct their victims in their church doctrines, not necessarily as the bible declares 🙁

    • At the chopping block I’m afraid 🙁

      Rev 20:4 KJV – And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    • @Mary: Satan’s hour of global darkness comes at the end, not now 😉

    • Actually the church will absolutely be needed during tribulation, to instruct and warn the Jews in things 😉

      P.S. If the believers are gone before, then whom could warn the Jews? For certain not the heathen, as they wouldn’t have a clue. Plus they would be too busy partying to even care. So the bewildered Jews would be on their own, and all get killed before repenting. Nice thought?

    • Sandra, you do know that you can’t teach an old dog new tricks? 🙁

      P.S. Folks should read 1 Cor 15, as it explains everything concerning the rapture topic, it’s; origin, nature, timing, etc 😉

    • What is there to prepare for? All true believers will be raptured when the time arrives 😉

      P.S. Those left behind are unbelievers, but they still can be saved 🙂

    • Actually the NWO is the plan, not just religion aspect 😉

  • Teresa

    THANK you everybody that responded to my RCC questions.

    • @Julie: Tribulation and persecution will prevail until millennium 😉

      P.S. The church is delivered before the end, that’s all we know 🙂

    • @Julie: Correct, as it clearly states in the Gospels 😉

      Luk 21:20-24 KJV – And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

      P.S. The last time I checked, Jerusalem is located in Israel, NOT; America, Canada, Mexico, etc? And as I recall there are three main religions there; Judaism, Christianity, and Islam?

  • DEBORAH

    ROMANS 10 AND 9 SAYS IF U CONFESS WITH UR MOUTH THE LORD JESUS AND BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART THAT GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD YOU WILL BE SAVED!!!
    THE BOTTOM LINE AND IT’S JUST THAT SIMPLE FOLKS!!!

    • Rob [Southafrica]

      Yeah the Hebrews also were “saved” by the blood of the Lamb on their doorposts in Egypt. ..> Then the Father destroyed them all with exception of two [Calib and Joshua] in the wilderness.

      Why? Because they also relied only on the blood of the Lamb and did not want to follow the instructions[Laws]

      • Uhmm.. the Jews were under law covenant, whereas the church is under grace covenant. The two covenants are not the same, and in fact vastly different. Please read the NT church epistles, as that is our message today. The OT and Gospels are of the law not grace!

    • Darah

      Amen! Jesus was our Passover Lamb, it is simple it is mans traditions that complicate the Gospel. You said it well Deborah!

    • Yes true Deborah, but it seems that believers don’t want simplicity and freedom. They rather desire to remain under ‘law’ bondage, as evidenced in the mainstream church 🙁

      P.S. Islam is much worse even, as Muslims aren’t servants, but rather slaves unto Allah.. or Satan 🙁

  • Brenda Murphy

    We cannot tell God anything that He doesn’t know….but if we listen with spiritual ears, to hear, then God can tell us a lot of things…things that we NEED to know.

    He is the healer of my soul. Amen.

    Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
    Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
    Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

    Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
    Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
    Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

    WE can break God’s heart by offending Him.

    • “The 7 year treaty and the pre-trib rapture are both Jesuit heresy”

      I’m not certain of that, but for certain the bible teaches neither fallacy. But nor does the bible teach that the church will endure the tribulation. And for certain the church will not be present during the wrath, which includes the mark of the beast 🙂

    • Brenda Murphy

      Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
      Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
      Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    • Brian: The church is raptured before the end, not before tribulation. Check my other posts here, as they explain in detail 😉

    • “We are not an evil institution or promote evil”

      @Theresa: I’m afraid you are being deceived as are many others. All of the major religious institutions are dark temples in varied ways. Designed to draw in the lost wandering crowd, and then cast the yoke of bondage upon them. Those trapped inside these dark temples are instructed by their temple doctrines. As Jesus warned, flee from the false churches 🙁

      Luk 21:8 KJV – And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

    • I’m afraid it’s much more worse than what you think. Their end goal is globalization period; government, economy, religion. Which will involve mass depopulation and enslavement. Rebels will be cut off and killed 🙁

    • Actually it’s the reverse situation. Obama is the AC, and Francis the FP 😉

      http://youtu.be/2F30LBg_t6A

      P.S. The END is very near now, but the signs yet prevail 😉

    • @Kevin: According to scripture, the end occurs after tribulation, and the rapture occurs right before the end 🙂

      Mat 24:13-14 KJV – But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

      1Co 15:22-24 KJV – For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

      P.S. Why do all pre-trib folk continually ignore the obvious? 🙁

    • “That passage in James is referring to works of faith not “works of the law” there is a huge difference and that difference is heart motive.

      So the works James speaks of are works of faith motivated by the love of God that is shed abroad in hearts by the Holy Ghost, so see it is about our motivation, are we motivated by God’s love in us or are we motivated by trying to “EARN” salvation, only God knows the hearts!”

      @LeeAnn: Thank you for explaining things, as I’ve long struggled with that chapter. Basically, the context is sanctification, not salvation? After all we are saved but once by grace, and afterwards continually sanctified by our works 😉

    • @Karen: According to my research, tribulation is not the wrath 😉

    • “The church is gone in Revelation chapter 4 and not mentioned again until we return with Him to rule and reign for 1000 years”

      @Karen: Not mentioned true, but not necessarily gone. Anyway, I believe Revelation is a much misunderstood book 🙁

      P.S. Check out my name link for my recent Revelation study 😉

    • Brenda Murphy

      Only the martyrs reign with Christ.

      Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

      • “Only the martyrs reign with Christ.”

        Brenda: I’m afraid you’re biblically wrong yet once again 🙁

        1Co 6:2-3 KJV – Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

        P.S. All the saints in the rapture will occupy thrones during the millenium 😉

        Rev 20:4 KJV – And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

        • Brenda Murphy

          The saints are the martyrs, give it up, Mark. 🙂

          • @Brenda: Yes the martyrs will be saints, else they wouldn’t be martyrs 😉

            P.S. The vast saints listing covers; past, present, and future believers. The heathen or gentiles are the only non-saints 🙂

  • Pope Francis is trying to Unite all People (whomever wrote the above is wrong). There are no bad religions only Bad People. I for one understand his quest & praise him for it!!!! People just believe whatever they see printed before their eyes, if it is written on the internet it must be true, duh? Read the article again. Find the truth in it. We are All Brothers & Sisters & better get used to it. God bless him if he can unite us all as was God’s plan. He is putting him self out there (maybe in harms way), yet that is not an obstacle for him. For years the World has been putting the Pope down for not doing a good enough job, Well now we have one who is going up and above and they are still gripping. All I heard in most of the comments was HATE, HATE, HATE, JUDGE, JUDGE, JUDGE. I say where is the Devil in this article????? People getting information on the internet because they are too lazy to pick up their Bible & read it???? Who wants to listen to them? Just try to open up your heart to all people in this world. Love them, pray for them, do not judge, be an instrument of God. That’s what he wants of you. If you can’t do this then SHUT UP, you have nothing I want to hear. Wow, didn’t know I had all of that in me. Just saying this is one Christians thoughts, ideals, & beliefs………….I will leave you now,friends hoping you’re not upset with me but I believe you now know how I am when it come to our Lord. JESUS DIED FOR US BECAUSE HE LOVED US. What can we do for him????? It’s just not all that hard for me to understand. Just do what he asked of us. PERIOD.

    • Be not deceived Mary, as the Pope is not whom he portrays himself to be 🙁

      P.S. The Vatican swims in occult symbolism, evidence proves things 😉

  • This is something all Christians must some day before the Second Coming, think about and pray about and study about: Rome is well able to hold up to the whole world nearly, the fact that ALL SHOULD follow after her! Why?

    In 1582, in October on the 4th day of that year, the world began following after the Papal Calendar of Pope Gregory XIII! Those who are keeping any day on that Calendar as a holy sabbath, or anything of that nature, you are not using the Biblical Lunisolar Calendar, you are all following after Rome! Rome lists as a reason why she is the only truth on this planet, because although she changed the sabbath (by changing the calendar – is the truth – but the Church just tells us she changed the day from the 7th day to the 1st day of the week), and so what we see is a satanic ploy at work, Satan having had the calendar changed back in BCE 86, to the Julian Pagan Roman Calendar, and then again in 1582, to the Papal Roman Calendar. ALL the days on this calendar, belong to the Papacy, and we better get right with the Creator’s teaching.

    Christ was not only our Saviour; He was also our Example, and He did not live by the Julian Calendar through His life on Earth, He lived by he Lunisolar Calendar of the Israelites, given to them, when they came out of Egypt, [circa BCE 1500]. Satan is working in places you aren’t looking, and I do love you dear people, and The Father and Son agapau you all too. Please pray about this, before it is too late!

    • We are to follow Jesus example. He never changed the sabbath…his diciples kept the sabbath, Jesus, after preaching in the synagog to the Jews, preached to the gentiles on sabbath. The biggest lie in the RCC is saying that they were given authority to change it. By who? God said that his word shall not be changed not one jot or tittle. Almost all Protestants are worshipping on Sunday..a day of the sun gods (Pagan) adoptd into christianity by RCC. So, if Protestant christians are still worshipping on sunday..as a RCC tradition..then I say, they need to do some Bible searching to justify it. Thats why the RCC (Pope) can rally up sunday worshipping people, back to the mother church from whence their forefathers fought to get away from in the reformation.We are many decendants away from those days when people died for their faith. But they brought with them many of the traditions from that mother church RCC.I am a sabbath keeper and I believe that in the end it is going to be to whom do you worship. Our Creator God, or mammon ,False god Satan. It is a spiritual warfare, and alot of people do not have on their spiritual eyesight. Best wake up everybody.Put on your spiritual armour and get ready for war. a war for our minds, body and soul…Jesus is the only way, truth and Life. Pope Francis, as nice as it seems to be unifying all..will not be able to unite in same spirit..Jesus is coming for his Bride..will you be ready?

      • “We are to follow Jesus example. He never changed the sabbath…his diciples kept the sabbath, Jesus, after preaching in the synagog to the Jews, preached to the gentiles on sabbath”

        @Mary: The sabbath was a day of total rest, not of any works (preaching is a work). Both Jesus and his disciples indeed did varied works on the sabbath. And the only way to honorably keep the sabbath is to stay home and rest. Going to church already is breaking the sabbath. And so by strict biblical sabbath law, all you self-claimed sabbath keepers should be put to death 😉

        Exo 16:29 KJV – See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

        Exo 31:15 KJV – Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

        Exo 35:2-3 KJV – Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death. Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

        Jhn 5:18 KJV – Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

        Act 17:2 KJV – And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

        Col 2:16 KJV – Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

  • Rob [Southafrica]

    Mary says:June 10, 2014 at 10:35 pm…>>”…There are no bad religions only Bad People…”

    There are only two paths dear Mary and only two seed lines, the good and the bad.

    Note that in the book Revelation there are no/non denominational names of Christian churches above the entrances/gates into our Fathers city.

    Rev 21:10 He carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,…
    Rev 21:12 having a great and high wall; having twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel.

    • Thought no 2 Just for you Rob, since your ears must have been plugged & you did not get it!! What I was saying! It is so simple, just do as our Lord says & this world would be a better place to live! Your comment had nothing to do with what I was trying to get across. So here you go, thought No 2
      Those of you (and there are many), who do not understand what the Pope is trying to do is like that song. “you can’t see the forest for the Trees.” Try looking outside the box. There are no bad Religion, only Bad People!! Which do you want to be ? The word Catholic (for those of you who never bothered to look it up) means UNIVERSAL. We accept everyone. (Someone has to) Try to think of Our Pope as someone who is trying to create peace among all Mankind. He is no different than Joel Osteen or any other Evangelist & I don’t hear any of you haters putting them down. I say check in the mirror and take a good, hard, look at your own self before you start throwing stones. We are all brothers and sisters & you better get used to it!! So shut up and start getting with the program before someone starts thinking you haters are the Devil in disguise. If you don’t have anything to say that is positive …..just SHUT UP, please, please, please! Look in your Bible instead of the internet to get your answers. The Bible is all about what our Lord wants in this world he created and that is Love, Love, Love. Remember he died on the cross for our sins? Why are you creating more disruption? Why is there Hate in your heart when you call yourself a Christian? Hypocrites!!!! Get on your knees and beg for God’s forgiveness. Just stop for a minute and wonder {what the heck am I talking about when I am getting my information from the internet?} I SAY hurray for Pope Francis he is doing something most of the people on God’s earth would not have the nerve to! Da Ya Get It????

      • Tracy

        @Mary,
        With all due respect, I believe that you need to get into your Bible and study a bit more. God is our Master, not your Pope who sometimes walks around with a crown (?) on his head. He is just an ordinary man, nothing more.
        My pastor preaches love of fellow-man also; but too, he knows that he is just a man saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, and preaches scripture from God’s Holy Word.

      • Brenda Murphy

        Jas 5:9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.

        • Tracy

          @Brenda,
          Be very careful; didn’t I see in one of your post above (June 10, 9.59 a.m.) you referred to the Catholic Church as having the antichrist spirit, and is just a decoy to throw Christians off.
          Better pay attention………………….

          • Brenda Murphy

            What???
            What do you mean, Tracy???
            I am always paying attention!
            Please explain????

          • Brenda Murphy

            If you can teach me something…then go ahead…..

          • Brenda Murphy

            We are NOT all brothers and sisters, Tracy…..only those that are born of the Spirit, the true Spirit, not the antichrist spirit!

            1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
            1Jn 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
            1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
            1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
            1Jn 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
            1Jn 2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

          • Brenda Murphy

            That first verse was for Mary, not you, anyway!
            It just came under yours, because I posted after you did, in reply to her.

  • Joel Osteen need to be born again. He didn’t know the meaning of ecumenical .? It’s one religion under by Roman Catholic.. We called it one world religion, the mother of harlot the anti Christ . What kind of bible he is reading, his own bible or his own version. I called him the deceiver.

  • Revelation 2:9

    Hey, I thought that I would post this info….stupid goyim.

    Here is an excerpt,I hope you all learn something.

    Satan At The Wailing Wall
    By Brother Nathanael Kapner
    Copyright 2013

    If there’s one rite of passage that every American politician must pass through it’s doing obeisance to the Jews at the Wailing Wall.

    Even Rand Paul caved to the Jews (something his father would never do) and found himself sacrificing his own son to the Kotel Rabbi looking as if he was being led away to the slaughter.

    You see, taking the mark of the beast in order to buy Jewish admission to sell political services is every American politician’s career-dependent rite of passage.

    Now, the Jews would have us believe that there’s something sacred about the Western Wall, that it’s a remnant of the Second Temple, where paper prayers of the Goyim are snatched by the ‘Divine Presence’ who supposedly dwells in its crevices and stones.

    Dead wrong.

    The Wailing Wall is actually the remains of a Roman fortress called “Fort Antonia” built north of the actual Temple where no protruding rock ever existed but rather was built upon the Gihon Spring.

    The rock upon which the Dome of the Rock was built adjoining the Western Wall was actually the centerpiece around which Fort Antonia was built. There’s nothing sacred about this rock or this Wall.

    This is attested to by the eyewitness, Jewish historian Josephus, who also wrote in his “Jewish Wars” that the Romans left nothing above or below ground of the Second Temple so that one coming to Jerusalem thereafter would never believe a Temple ever existed.

    According to Josephus, Titus, the Roman General who razed Jerusalem to the ground in 70 AD, allowed Fort Antonia to remain to house the Tenth Legion left to monitor Roman affairs in Jerusalem.

    And thus the prophecy of Christ, “Not one stone will be left upon another,” was fulfilled. God will not be mocked.

    If you still don’t believe me, then get the book, “The Temples That Jerusalem Forgot,” by Professor Dr Ernest Martin, and you’ll surely be convinced.

    • Tracy

      @Daniel Phillips,
      Amen! So true.

    • MRH

      “Baptism is the outward sihgn to show the world we have already gain salvation through Jesus”

      @Daniel: I hate to inform, but baptism is wrongly taught by many 🙁

      According to the bible, all of the people (Jews) were baptized by John’s baptism (water), plus only Jews are again baptized in Acts 2:38. So how then is it that everyone thinks that Acts 2:38 implies water also? Anyway, I did a study recently on things which I think clarifies things somewhat 🙂

      Luk 3:16, 21 KJV – John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: … Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

      Jhn 1:31-33 KJV – And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

      http://aeroventure.com/BiblicalControversies/BiblicalControversies.htm

    • Praise the mighty Lord Jesus, blessings precious elects of the Lord. Time is over the Messiah is coming very soon. Look at this website and witness the very latest conversation of the Lord God Almighty the holy one of Israel had with the Church. On this subject of Baptism every Christian who desire to enter into the Glorious Kingdom of God, must be Baptised in mass water emmussion. Jesus said “i do this to fulfill all righteousness”. So as Isaiah 40. 1-6, prepare yea the way for the Messiah is coming. Baptism is part of the preparation. Amen Shalom

      • “On this subject of Baptism every Christian who desire to enter into the Glorious Kingdom of God, must be Baptised in mass water emmussion”

        Only according to mainstream religion, not according to the bible 😉

        Act 1:4-5, 8 KJV – And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. … But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

        P.S. The baptism Jesus foretold above was not to be of water but rather of the Holy Spirit. The problem is that the church chooses to continue in the old covenant in many ways, though Jesus clearly fulfilled the entire law. And water baptism by John and with the prophets was still under the old law covenant.

        • Brenda Murphy

          Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
          1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
          1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
          1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

          • Brenda: A simple logical question and answer test 🙂

            Q: Was the repentant thief on the cross baptized?
            A: No, which proves that water doesn’t save anyone!

            P.S. Why do you religious folk always complicate matters? 🙁

            Rom 10:8-13 KJV – But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

            Eph 2:4-9 KJV – But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

            2Ti 1:9-10 KJV – Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

            Tit 3:5-7 KJV – Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

            Rev 21:24 KJV – And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

          • Brenda Murphy

            Mark, if you do not want to do what Jesus says, then why be a Christian?

            Luk 6:43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
            Luk 6:44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
            Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
            Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

            Mat 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
            Mat 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
            Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

          • “Mark, if you do not want to do what Jesus says, then why be a Christian?”

            @Brenda: For one, I’m a Christian because of my faith, not because of your religion. Secondly, Jesus did not instruct the church in water baptism. The church took it upon themselves in matters. Thirdly, why do you continually judge and accuse me for my differing beliefs?

            P.S. Are we not all sitting in the same holy hope boat? 😉

          • Brenda Murphy

            I do not accuse you, but the Word of God is truth, and if you get convicted, so be it.

            Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
            Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

          • “I do not accuse you”

            @Brenda: You most certainly do 🙁

            P.S. As do the others in opposition 🙁

          • Brenda Murphy

            What have I accused you of???

          • Nothing serious Brenda, just all part of the funky blog debate game 😉

            P.S. I engage in other Christian debates (online, offline), not by desire, but by circumstance. And as long as the debates are cordial, they even can be fun. However such debates have no winners, as none can prove nor dis-prove each other. That should be quite obvious by now? 😉

  • Their is NO true church, you will all be judged individually according to your actions.

    • Actually the true church in the bible is ‘the body of Christ’ or believers as a whole. And yes we are all judged individually 😉

      1Co 12:27 KJV – Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

      2Co 5:10 KJV – For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

      And we are also collectively the; temple of God, bride of Christ, and part of new Jerusalem.

      1Co 3:16-17 KJV – Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

      Heb 12:22-23 KJV – But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

      Rev 21:9-10 KJV – And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

      P.S. Full knowledge comes at the resurrection.. Christs return 🙂

  • You are sadly misled. Jesus is the Way not the Pope.

    • Actually the Pope is not a true believer period. Which makes him a false prophet, as he preaches false doctrine.

      P.S. FYI Pope Francis once said; “Jesus is just a man, a person”. Which completely contradicts what the bible teaches about Jesus.

    • The truth behind the Pope 😉

      http://youtu.be/wzC_3zWLhK8

  • Mitch

    How dare he preach peace and tolerance!!1 Thats not the church I grew up with!

    • The answer is in my above post Mitch 😉

    • Persecution is a side effect of our holy faith. The more we preach holy matters, the greater will be our persecution. And preaching in some ill places can result in prison or death.

      P.S. The term ‘tribulation’ simply means; trouble, distress, anguish, etc. Therefore persecution is a form of tribulation, as are natural or man-made disasters. However persecution itself is on an individual basis of ill intent 😉

    • Brenda Murphy

      Amen! We will have to give our testimony, not deny His name.

  • STL

    If you have Salvation through Jesus Christ, everything else does not matter. Because until it happens, then you’ll know the exact truth. And you can only recieve Salvation by reading God’s scriptures. Everyone has their own opinions about the scripture your reading, the scriptures were never made for the mass but the singular person reading them. So all of you can argue your hearts out, until it occurs, then no one will actually know exactly the time and date of any events.

    • “There is nothing in the Bible to support a Pre or Post Trib”

      @Bobby: Part of the problem is defining the great tribulation 😉

      A) It’s focus will be in Israel, not in other countries 🙂

      Luk 21:20-24 KJV – And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

      B) It will concern the Jews, or those in Israel at the time 🙂

      For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

      C) It will be a major holy war in the holy land 🙂

      And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

      Also the second coming is a one time (but divided) event; for saints, with saints 🙂

      1Co 15:22-26 KJV – For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

      P.S. The resurrection will be; instant, visible, and will result in global chaos. Anyway, things are best symbolically detailed in Revelation 11, concerning the mysterious two witnesses 😉

      http://aeroventure.com/REVELATION/2-WITNESSES.htm

      • STL

        MRH: If you got all the answers. please explain what event in our near future will start the 7 year Tribulation?

        • @STL: You should know full as well as I do, that the key to the future great tribulation lies with the rise of the third Jewish temple, and installing of the mystery abomination of desolation? 😉

          Hint: According to the bible, there is no 7 year tribulation. That idea is a fable created by wrong scripture interpretation. Both Daniel and Revelation explain things. The tribulation of saints forms the latter half of Daniels last week, and is not of the end. Also the 1260 days (Daniel 10, 12?), or 42 months of Revelation 13. And the times of the Gentiles fulfillment in Revelation 11 (Daniels last week?).

          P.S. There are no other obvious biblical clues pertaining to the final segment of normal human history that I’m aware of. The rapture/resurrection signals the end of the world as we now know it to be (humanity.. mans rule), and it certainly will not go unnoticed. After rapture is the final end of the world and humanity period 😉

          Tip: The great tribulation doesn’t end all tribulation. In fact the end of the world is the greatest tribulation event. The wrath of Satan and God combined are the absolute end of humanity (flesh). Following will be the millennium, which will be very different in all points and purposes, as bible declares 😉

          DID I ANSWER UNTO YOUR INQUISITION?

      • Dan

        Mark if you go to my above (June 9th) Post I give you a reason for
        the Pre Trib belief. It is scripture and you will have to read. But, after you do I would be interested to know what you think.

        • Dan, I read post, but not sure what to say. It all comes down to biblical interpretation I guess. Personally, I think 1 Cor 15 best details things in simple minded terms 😉

          1Co 15:22-26 KJV – For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

          This passage also fits with the Gospel accounts. However, please understand that the church was not known during Jesus’ hour on earth or before. Therefore early references to saints or the elect could only indicate Jews, as Gentiles were the enemy then.

          According to Paul, true believers have already overcame 🙂

          1Jo 4:4 KJV – Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

          But according to John, not all churches have overcame 🙁

          Rev 2:4-7 KJV – Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

          P.S. I believe that the reason the church is not mentioned between Revelation chapters 4-19, is because it really isn’t relevant, not that it isn’t present in the mix. Therefore the ‘saints’ whom are overcome I think concerns the blind Jews in Jerusalem, as it details war elements; sword, spoil, captivity, etc. However we will just have to wait and see what the future yields 😉

          • Dan

            Mark, I’m saying there is scripture clearly supports a pre-tribs rapture.
            And, your right it’s not relevant for the church to be mentioned in Revelations chapters 4-19 because the church is not on earth. Do you really believe if the church were to going through such a great outpouring of G-d’s wrath on earth not to be relevant ?

          • Brenda Murphy

            Rev_13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

            Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

            It talks about the saints throughout the new Testament, all the way thru to the end of Revelation!!!

            Rev_2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

            Rev_3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

            Rev_3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

            Rev_3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

            Rev_21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

            Are you an overcomer? 🙂

          • “It talks about the saints throughout the new Testament, all the way thru to the end of Revelation!!!

            Are you an overcomer?”

            @Brenda: Christians (true believers) are saved period 🙂

            1Jo 2:12-14 KJV – I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name’s sake. I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

            P.S. The term ‘saints’ simply means ‘holy ones’, of which includes; angels, Jews, and Christians. Also the saints of tomorrow are not the same saints of today 😉

          • Ron Murphy

            If your going to get technical about it, the church was never memtion in the book of Revelation chapters 1-4, except for instruction to the churches in Asia. He never said anything about them escaping tribulation, but only to escape temptation. Tribulation is not temptation, but it’s counter part. If we take the temptation we are no longer in tribulation. Tribulation is war with the saints, temptation is taking the mark of the beast, to enjoy life better. We that are alive and remain shall not prevent the martyrs from raising from the dead( bodily that is, as their souls are coming from heaven). We shall be gathered from the four winds of heaven and earth, Mark 13:27.

          • “If your going to get technical about it, the church was never memtion in the book of Revelation chapters 1-4, except for instruction to the churches in Asia.”

            @Ron: Partially true, but the seven churches are also prophetic, and thus apply to our time as well 😉

            Rev 2:7, 11, 26, 29 KJV – He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. … He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. … And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: … He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

            Rev 3:5-6, 12-13, 21-22 KJV – He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. … Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. … To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

            P.S. Obviously the above concerns us today as well? 😉

        • “Do you really believe if the church were to going through such a great outpouring of G-d’s wrath on earth not to be relevant ?”

          @Dan: No, but the great tribulation is NOT Gods wrath. The wrath follows tribulation according to scripture. Also it is during wrath when the beast is in full global power. The only power he has during the tribulation is unto the saints, as the rest of the world blindly worships him. But after the rapture the deceived world wakes up, resulting in the martyrs. At least that’s how I interpret things brother 😉

          P.S. None of us really know the holy score, as it’s hidden in plain sight, just like the occult games. Neither faction can be proven or dis-proven either, as there is no solid evidence. Nor will there be until the final phase begins, and even then only a portion of the populace will awaken 🙁

          • Dan

            Mark so your saying the 7 scrolls ,7 trumpets and 7 bowls are not G-d’s wrath and also not part of the tribulation ?
            Come on Mark! Chapters 6 – 19 in revelation is known as the Tribulation or the ‘beginning of sorrows
            Jesus himself said that if he did not return during this time to end it ;there would be no one left alive.

          • Ron Murphy

            Dan, the 7 scrolls are not the wrath of God, only the 7th one is the wrath of God. The great tribulation comes in the middle of the week and that first half of the week is the first two seals, after that the tribulation begins with the black horseman and continues though until the 6th scroll(seal), at which time the rapture takes place. The last scroll, is the wrath of God, after that tribulation of those days. The wrath consists of the 7th scroll, with is the 7 trumpets, later viewed as the 7 vials, in chapter 16. Tribulation is upon the saints, the war with them, from the antichrist, Rev 13:7.
            The wrath of God is compensation for that war with the saints (great tribulation), Rev 18:6

          • “Mark so your saying the 7 scrolls ,7 trumpets and 7 bowls are not G-d’s wrath and also not part of the tribulation ?”

            @Dan: I believe that the 7 seals and 7 trumpets do not fully reflect the tribulation or Gods wrath.. only in part.

            Rev 16:1 KJV – And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

            P.S. I believe that the seals and trumpets include the tribulation and wrath within them, as well certain events in history, such as indicated on my page links 😉

    • Dan

      @Ron Murphy .. Ron I believe the rapture will happen before the tribulation. I believe the the scrolls trumpets and bowls are all associated with G-d’s wrath. But, my point was they all happen during the tribulation. I believe the tribulation is 7yrs total not 3 1/2 years.

      • Ron Murphy

        Okay, Dan, you have that right, but answer a question for me, will you? Why did it take the world so long to realize that the wrath of God had come in the 6th scroll? Could it of been that is when it started or was ready to start? Remember, brother, this is when they first get excited and scared and run and hide. They were at peace until then, having a good time, running Christians down and turning them in to be slaughtered. When do you suppose, men’s hearts begin to fail them? I believe it is when they run and hide, because of the things coming on the earth, such as the plagues of the 7 trumpets, which is the very next seal(scroll).

        • Dan

          You know sometimes Ron I think things are so confusing around scripture for a reason and that reason is G-d just wants us to trust him and believe in him. I mean wasn’t it that simple in the beginning

          • Ron Murphy

            No, Dan, it never was easy to understand. God made it that way that the wise could understand, but the wicked could not. The wise are those that fear God and seek Him for the truth. Precept upon precept, line upon line, least they see the truth, that believe not.

            Mat_13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
            Mat_13:15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

            Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

        • Dan

          Ron these are all acts of G-d pertaining to his judgment and in the same sense his judgment is his wrath. They’re all a course of the same event ,and that being fulfillment of prophesy. You’ll have to bring me up to speed on why this is so important. If I understand your line of thinking I will be able to follow you better.

      • Hi Dan, here is a little advise. Believing and knowing is not the same thing. Believing is accepting without proof. Knowing is giving proven facts. Pre-trib and post-trib can both quote scripture to support their theories, only one can be true. Its like the two sides of a coin,but only one has the head on it. The scriptures that pretrib quote are taken out of context. Let me show you
        Mark16v15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
        16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
        17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
        18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Have you even heard of or read that christians drank poison and lived, or were bitten by snakes and did not die. If you have please send me the info so I can read it. The seven messages to the church began with the first era of the church and will culminate with Laodicea. Look at the Church worldwide and see what they are doing. Then ask yourself the question. If you were God would you rapture such a church.
        I lookforward to your reply. http://www.sleepingbride.com

        • Dan

          Alright from out of nowhere is Chesterfield. What’s on your mind brother. There are plenty of people drinking poison and getting bit by snakes and living. If you read my stuff you’ll know that it matters little to me as for who’s right on pre,mid or post tribulation. It’s a silly argument. As for rapturing the church brother Chesterfield let me tell you something you may not know. The church right at this very moment is pure and beautiful and is worthy to G-d. So the churches readiness is not the question.

          • Brenda Murphy

            Dan 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

            🙂 🙂 🙂

    • Dan

      @ Ron Murphy .. Don’t complicate things by calling yourself wise Ron!
      My point was very simple. Believe in him and quit arguing about what kind of tooth paste Christ used. There is nothing you’ve done or will do to save yourself or make what he did for you shine brighter.
      No one understands scripture enough to make any difference but one.

      To Believe

      • Brenda Murphy

        You sound very arrogant, Dan, but that’s what happens to people who do not want to know the truth, they start attacking others, on a personal basis! 🙂

        • Dan

          Brenda I’m not being arrogant when I tell Ron the bible is not calling him a wise man. Was it not Christ that said “only G-d is good”? Would not only G-d also be wise. You see Brenda scripture was filled by men inspired by G-d. The only problem is men have also through arrogance added this and that. G-d want’s us to love him finally without instruction Brenda.
          Today the world calls us ignorant for believing in him. Imagine that! While you fumble through pages in a book ; stop and praise him because you hear his spirit instead. There are so many today that don’t hear his voice. Be glad you do!

      • Brenda Murphy

        God wants everyone to be wise, Ron is not just saying he is wise….he is saying that is what God’s Word is for, to understand….but if you do not want to, that is up to the individual….if you don’t want to have spiritual ears and eyes, to understand, God won’t force you to!
        You have to want it.

        • Dan

          I believe I misunderstood Ron’s intent in his post now that I’ve read it again. Anyway why am I talking to you and not to Ron? Who’s wearin tha pants (kidding) Brenda we must be more today as Christians. We must realize that book does not make us his. Because that book is for us rather than us for it. When we use it to condemn we are using it in a way it was not meant for. Christ assured us that we each have our own load of wood which excludes all of us from condemning each other.
          If we would debate rather than condemn that would be different.

          • Brenda Murphy

            Well, definitely…Ron wears the pants in this family, believe me!

            I understand what you are saying, we all can come across as arrogant, if we profess to know something that some one else doesn’t seem to know……just like the smart kid in school…..we thought they were a bit arrogant, ‘wise’, and obnoxious…we couldn’t stand it ’cause they were just smarter, even though they probably were very nice.

            We tend to judge what we don’t know, especially about people-to harshly…that’s what unbelievers see all the time in us ‘Christians’. They don’t understand us, because we know something that they don’t.

            You know, we’ll never understand anyone completely, but that’s what living for Christ is all about—being compassionate to all, and counting our blessings that God has given us the way and the truth and the life—and He is the Light…….but most do not want to see and understand….they would rather have the darkness.

            Sorry if I came on to strong. I have a zeal for the Lord, as you , I hope, can plainly see! 🙂

          • Dan

            @ Brenda Murphy ! Sorry if I came on too strong!
            Come on now Brenda don’t pile it own too much!
            I don’t think you do understand what I was saying because it had nothing to do with arrogance.
            Brenda, what I was saying may hurt your ears, but the body, the bride , the church is more than a book. One lights the way and the other gives eternal life to walk it. Do you understand?

          • Brenda Murphy

            I don’t know the point that you are trying to make.

            If we live for Christ, yes, we are a beacon of hope in this lost and dying world.

            That should be obvious, if we are truly born again. 🙂

            The Holy Bible was put there to help us to walk it, yes.
            So, did I pass your test? LOL

  • roger parris

    remember the sabbath day to keep it holy remember remember oh ye people

    • Dan

      @Brenda Murphy…. Brenda the reason you not getting the point I’m trying to make is because my discussion was with Ron several post ago.
      You see it’s no wonder you have no idea what I’m talking about.
      Our discussion was over Revelation and Ron made a statement “why did it take the world so long for us to realize G-d’s wrath comes in the 6th scroll” My comment was the bible is confusing for a reason. Ron’s comment was showing me bible quotes to make my point. (Laughing) I took it as sarcasm because I missed the first line of the paragraph and hence this whole thing started. Now why I took it as sarcasm (laughing) I will not say because why am I talking to you instead of him? Tell him to put his pants on! : )

      • Brenda Murphy

        He has his pants on, he’s out trying to keep me fed, LOL.
        He will get back to ya’ before to long. 🙂

        I understand you.
        I don’t know if he will, lol. 😀

        • Dan

          No worries . The conversation I was really having started with Mark. I’d forgotten about him(laughing) He usually stays in the conversation but he must have left. I know you and Ron go back and forth with him and Steve over various interpretations of the bible. Tell Ron he’s doing right by feeding you.. Blessings !

          • “The conversation I was really having started with Mark. I’d forgotten about him(laughing) He usually stays in the conversation but he must have left”

            No, Dan, I’m still following blog, and was wondering why no replies? 🙁

          • Dan

            There’s been no replies because I’ve been caught up with Ron’s alter ego Brenda.. We all know that’s really him.. Right!

          • Or they are simply one of a kind? 😉

            P.S. If it’s all him disguised, then we have a perpetual sinner on our hands? For is not deception a sin?

          • Ron Murphy

            Dan, I’ve just been to busy lately. I’ve been following, along a little, but just don’t have time to cover all bases. I know Brenda is doing a fine job, though, if people would just listen. Sue, also is doing a wonderful job teaching, along with Jody. People wouldn’t listen to Jesus, so, they will not listen to wisdom either. I have some teaching to do here, coming up soon. You tube, also takes some of my time, as I have more listeners there, than here. Many are learning the truth. Those that fear to die, don’t understand the blessing that goes with it. Jesus said not to fear those that can kill your body.

          • Brenda Murphy

            @ Dan,

            No, I am not Ron’s alter ego. I am real.
            We are quite similar in some ways, though.
            We both love to play Chess, and love the great outdoors.
            We both love pasta….and tacos. lol
            We are both about the same height.
            We both wear the same size shoe, and our eyes are blue.
            But…I have a lot of hair on my head and he doesn’t.
            I can not play the guitar, and he can.
            He can not crochet.
            He loves the water, but I am afraid of it.
            He hates to take walks, but I love to.
            But we both love the Lord, and believe in the Holy Bible.

            And well, that’s just about it.

  • roger parris

    good site keep it up

    • Dan

      @ Ron Murphy.. What youtube Ron? I would be interested in hearing you teach.

      • Dan

        @ Brenda Murphy.. What youtube is Ron on. He said he has more listeners there. I would like to check it out.
        As for you being someone else. I’ve met 3 on here that do that. Why adults do some things ; I don’t know. Maybe they think there hiding in some way. I really just wanted to see if Ron would answer and he did. In all fairness I never did really answer his question on Revelation ch. 6.

        • Brenda Murphy

          Ron is the only one that teaches on you tube, I do not.
          He is on various sites, basically the ones that teach pre-trib, of course. Just go to any of the pre-trib sites, and you will probably find him, lol.:)

          • Dan

            Your being vague. Why? It’s not that important Brenda and I don’t have time to play find Ron. I believe in a pre-tribulation as well. I feel the reason I gave in my above June 9th post supports rapture before the tribulation.
            I’ve never been on any pre-trib sites I didn’t know they existed. If Ron feels I want to ridicule him on this other site I don’t. But, I understand and respect his feelings if this is case.

  • STL

    MRH: since you like explaining the differences in the scriptures, please explain why in Revelation that there is no living Church Age Christian still alive when the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ to Mt. Olives?

    In 1st Thess. 4: 15-17 speaks of the dead rising and then the living believers rising meeting Jesus Christ in the air (atmosphere) and be with Him forever. But there is not one verse in Revelation backs up this 1st Thess. 4: 15-18? Not one?

    So this event will happen before the Tribulation begins!

    • “So this event will happen before the Tribulation begins!”

      @STL: No, as I explained before here, the great tribulation signals the end of the world as we now know it. Followed by the first resurrection event, which begins our eternity with God and Christ. And also the absolute destructive end of humanity, the beast kingdom.

      P.S. Please don’t confuse this world of today with the world of tomorrow. The day of the Lord begins after tribulation, at resurrection (day of Christ). And the great day of the Lord ends; after the millennium, and after the great white throne judgment.. according to scripture 😉

      • Brenda Murphy

        You might as well give up on him, Mark…he just likes to argue for argument’s sake. LOL

        • Yes it sadly does seem to be that way with STL Brenda 🙁

          P.S. We are all decidedly right in our own minds, and probably won’t be proven otherwise wrong, until Christ returns to set things straight once and for all. Agreed sister?

          • Brenda Murphy

            We will know then, that’s for sure. 🙂

  • STL

    MRH: So your the expect on Theology? I have listen to Chuck Missler and he states by his testimony that your completely wrong in your finding of end times scriptures and was not you the one jumping back and forth from Mid to Post tribulation as you blasted Ron Murphy testimony of these scriptures?

    The 7 year tribulation is not in scriptures but the covenant between Satan and Israel with be a 7 year period.

    So why do not you argue with someone who want to believe in your theories?

    • STL: The covenant does not begin tribulation, the abomination of desolation does. It’s very clearly explained in all three gospels, and in Daniel as well. But what’s the use, as I’ve explained this plain biblical fact many times for you, but you keep insisting I’m wrong 🙁

      P.S. Without the covenant there can be no temple and no tribulation 😉

    • As scripture clearly states, the tribulation follows the abomination of desolation event. Also tribulation is clearly stated as being in Jerusalem (and unto the Jews there), not unto the whole world. Fact of matter, the tribulation period is 3.5 years long (not 7). Afterward comes the wrath period (Satan, God), followed by millennium period 😉

      • Brenda Murphy

        Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
        Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
        Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

        Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

        Rev_3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

        • Brenda: You’re jumping around with the scriptures 🙁

          The latter half of Revelation 13 concerns the second beast (FP), and is within Satan’s wrath period, not the tribulation. The latter forms the first half, the first beast (AC)

          P.S. The ‘hour of temptation’ is during wrath of FP 🙂

          • Brenda Murphy

            I don’t jump around, but you like to play ‘dodge’ ball, lol.

  • STL

    MRH: If your wrong how are you going to deal with the Tribulation period, if by your medical condition, your unable to get medical care?

    How long have you and I discussed the Rapture and the Restrainer, at least 2 years, and I’m still in my faith that the Rapture will happen before the lawlessness one comes to power of this world?

    But you have switch several times from Mid to Post Tribulation. So when the Tribulation begins will you give up easy, and switch from being a christian to a satan follower?

    • STL: You keep forgetting that there are two end time figures; beast (AC secular), false prophet (FP religious). The ‘son of perdition’ is the latter beast. And it should be quite evident by now whom that one is? Does not the pope already put himself on the holy pedestal?

      P.S. My rapture stance remains the same, just that my tribulation stance is now changed. I used to believe that the great tribulation is also the wrath of God. But according to my recent biblical studies, I no longer believe that crazy idea. Even so, I still don’t believe that the tribulation is intended for the church. Why would it need to be, as we have already accepted Christ? The Jews are the ones whom haven’t repented, and the tribulation will wake them all up fast and furiously. Anyway, until the third temple rises we will all continue this silly pointless debate it seems? 🙁

  • STL

    MRH: Have you wonder where Ron Murphy is, because since April 14, 2014 he has not posted one comment or insult to us. Yes, Brenda posts, but since there break up?

    • STL: Actually not so, as I saw a recent post from him, just that he doesn’t post like he used to do 😉

    • Brenda Murphy

      Ron’s been posting on you tube, and he is doing well with that.
      We are doing well, and, yes, we are still post-tribbers.

      We even ran across Levi, or he found us, lol.
      Good to see that he is okay!

  • STL

    MRH: Most of us on this web site, including our host of NTEB, believe your wrong and we will leave before the Tribulation.

    • STL: You think I’m not aware of that fact? Anyway, we will know in due time whom is right and wrong on rapture/tribulation topic 😉 And what if it happens as I believe, then what will you say? One thing is certain, many would wonder whats going on.

      In any case, the Dome of the Rock must be destroyed, as it is in the way of prophetic progress. For it stands on holy ground, where the second temple stood. The question is how and who will demolish it. After all it’s but an empty cavern.

    • Brenda Murphy

      Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
      Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
      Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

      • STL

        Brenda: Are you post these verses about yourselves, as sheep wearing wolves clothing. But yes, the gate is narrow, just a few will go up with the Bride of Christ to Heaven.

        • Brenda Murphy

          Sheep can’t wear wolve’s clothing, STL….lol

  • STL

    MRH: Who are the left behinders and who are the unbelievers. Because being a unbeliever comes in different catagories?

    Would you say a believer would be a person to be known as a BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN?

    A Person who acts Christ-like?

    A Person who sticks up for the Word of God?

    A person that has nothing against any races on this earth?

    I can remember back how the white people hated Negros because of their skin color.

    But it seem people calls themselves christians but they hate MUSLIMS.

    Does God allow hate in his KINGDOM?

    What about the gays, does God hates gays or the sin they are causing for themselves?

    It seems alot of americans believe there christians but they do not follow after Jesus Christ. Would these types of people will be left behinders ir unbelievers?

    • STL: There are but two spiritual classes of people; believers, unbelievers. All believers will be raptured, and all unbelievers will remain on earth. And only we and God know our hearts, whom are and are not his children. Those outside God don’t love him, and those within do love him. Anyway, that’s my take on things in a nutshell, bedtime calls now 😉

      P.S. I believe that God will use the church to powerfully witness unto the Jews and others during tribulation (like now, only intensified then). Also 3.5 years is not all that short a time to accomplish much witnessing for Gods sake 🙂

  • STL

    MRH: Explain to Mary that there is only one mediator between God and man, which is Jesus Christ. But the Pope believes he is the mediator between God and mankind.

    • STL: Why don’t you do it, explain holy situation? I’ve done enough posting for the night.. movie time then bedtime 😉

      P.S. The false prophet proclaims to be God, not just the mediator 😉

      • STL

        But do do it so much better than I can.

        • STL: I think Mary has long departed or lost interest in this older blog, and so no point posting on her behalf 🙁

  • STL

    MRH: AGAIN I ASK OF YOU, HOW MANY PROCLAIM THERE CHRISTIANS AND THE ACTIONS PROVES DIFFERENTLY?

    • Brenda Murphy

      LOL, good one….Larue!

  • STL

    MRH: At least I can say that Ron and Brenda Murphy are true to one thing as they stay true to their beliefs as Post-Tribbers. But you jump from one belief to another, faster than I take a breath of fresh air!

    • STL: No, my faith is the same, just that my perspective has slightly changed.. with new revelations 🙂

      P.S. I don’t follow the flock, I follow what I believe 😉

  • STL

    DAN: WHAT DIFFERENCES WE HAVE HAD, I DO AGREE WITH YOU WE WILL BOTH BE IN HEAVEN BEFORE THE TRIBULATION BEGINS, AS WE BOTH WILL BE AT THE BRIDE’S SUPPPER, WHEN THE POST-TRIBBERS WILL BE SUFFER THE WORSE HORRIBLE TIME IN THEIR LIVES IN THE TRIBULATION, NOT JUST SUFFER UNDER SATAN TRYING TO BEHEAD THEM BUT FROM GOD’S WRATH OF THIS PLANET EARTH, IN MAJOR EARTHQUAKES, RELINEMENT OF CONTINENTS, SUPER STORMS, REVERSAL OF THE POLES, AND ASTERIODS HITTING THE EARTH, A MINI ICE AGE, VIRUS FROM CHEMICAL AGENTS FROM U.S. ARMY CHEMICAL WEAPONS STOCKPILES AND SO ON!

    • Dan

      No Steve I believe even they will come with us. We will all find out who was right ,but it will matter little because we are all part of the church; every wretched one of us. And what a motley crew we will be sitting there with him! But, because of him we are all worthy!

      I don’t believe the mid and post Tribers will be too mad for getting to eat and drink early!

      • STL

        DAN: Remember the gate is narrow into God’s kingdom!

        • Dan

          Brother LaRue the only thing religion has done is divide us.
          I refuse to believe an interpretation that excludes anyone that sincerely believes in him. Today we are thought to be ignorant because of this. We may even be here long enough to see real serious discrimination towards Christians. So hold fast my brother in the belief of a narrow gate because G-d plans on fitting a Church through it!

        • STL: The gate is only as narrow as our faith is 😉

          Tip: Jesus was addressing the masses, not unto the disciples in his many parables 🙂

          Mat 7:13-14 KJV – Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

          Luk 8:9-10 KJV – And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be? And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

          P.S. All believers enter the narrow gate, and all unbelievers enter the wide gate.. simple as that 🙂

      • Brenda Murphy

        We will be going home before you, if we get our heads chopped off!

        • Dan

          (Laughing) That’s the spirit Brenda! Imagine that! Being put to the test of believing by dying.

          • Brenda Murphy

            Yes, but it’s NO laughing matter, it will happen, regardless of whether you believe it or not!

            I am bound and determined to die for my Lord, if I have to. Nobody wants to die, but this old body is going to wear out some day…..and I’d rather go out in a blaze of glory! LOL, now I’m laughing, ’cause I’ll be reigning with Christ, if I do!

            Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

          • Brenda Murphy

            There are martyrs being put to death as we speak….IMAGINE THAT……for their beliefs!

        • The ‘tribulation’ martyrs of today are not the same as tomorrows ‘wrath’ martyrs 😉

          P.S. We are still under grace till rapture prevail, whether we die as martyrs, illness, or simply of old age, all we true believers will be with Christ at his judgment seat 🙂

          • Brenda Murphy

            A martyr is a martyr, Mark…no matter when they die!

          • “A martyr is a martyr, Mark…no matter when they die!”

            @Brenda: No, I’m afraid not. A martyr of today is not under beast rule. There is no mark to avoid yet. And if you think getting a chip implant now would seal your eternal fate today, then you are quite deluded. At present there is no global enslavement system in place, but it is indeed under development and undergoing varied testing nonetheless 😉

            P.S. When the beast finally reigns, then will the mark be enforced, and the mass beheading plan will follow 😉

          • Brenda Murphy

            I know the beast has to come, for the chip to be mandated, and yes,there will be many beheaded, but still, the martyrs that have died thru-out the years, and now, this day, will reign with Christ, as they are not denying His Name. They will rule and reign as kings and priests upon he earth, in the millennial reign, also. 🙂

          • “They will rule and reign as kings and priests upon he earth, in the millennial reign, also”

            @Brenda: All resurrected believers from Adam onward will reign with Christ in the millennium. No unbelievers will be present, as they are resurrected afterwards 😉

            2Ti 2:12 KJV – If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

          • Brenda Murphy

            If we suffer with him, we will reign with him, so you are planning on suffering in the trib, right, Mark?

          • “If we suffer with him, we will reign with him, so you are planning on suffering in the trib, right, Mark?”

            @Brenda: All believers suffer persecution, else-wise NTEB and such would need not exist 😉

            Rom 8:35 KJV – Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

            2Ti 3:12 KJV – Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

            P.S. I don’t know regarding tribulation suffering, but I’m sure there will be much persecution in varied locations around the world, and especially in the holy land 🙁

            But I’m not planning to travel where hell on earth prevails, as I am bound here in my happy hole in the wall for now 🙂

  • STL

    DAN. ON ANOTHER NOTE: I REALLY BELIEVE THIS IS THE DAYS OF NOAH, I NEVER WOULD BELIEVE BEING A VETERAN OF WAR, THAT THE VA WOULD GET CAUGHT DECIEVING THE VETERANS? IT SEEMS THINGS ARE GETTING BETTER FOR THE VETERANS, BUT ITS A TRICK TO GET US IN HARMONY IN OUR BELIEF THINGS WILL GET BETTER FOR US.

    • Ron Murphy

      Take heart, STL, things will get much better after tribulation. That is the brightness of the new day, our inheritance. Then shall we forever be with the Lord.

      • Ron Murphy

        That is my blessed hope!

    • “I REALLY BELIEVE THIS IS THE DAYS OF NOAH”

      STL: We were all born into those vile days, it’s biblically called the ‘last days’, or ‘last time’. And it’s been getting gradually worse since the clock began to count down on Pentecost. But we still aren’t at the edge yet, just mighty close by the endless flood of end time signs 😉

  • STL

    DAN: Ron Murphy is right about that true christians will have to go throught tribulation(s) but we will not have to enter the awful period of the 7 years of sorrows for the unrighteous and church going idiots that believes in their religion than our living God, Jesus Christ.

    One of our tribulations will be coming in Oct. 2014 when gasoline at the pump will be $ 8.00 dollars, that will cause alot of pain for christians to deal with daily life. Why would I say that? Because of the fear in Irak Oil, their number 2 producers in the OPEC, and now U.S. Congress will double gas tax to repair the roads in the USA.

    • “One of our tribulations will be coming in Oct. 2014 when gasoline at the pump will be $ 8.00 dollars, that will cause alot of pain for christians to deal with daily life”

      @STL: We shall see if your above wild prediction prevails or not 😉

      • STL

        MRH: I did not make the wild perdition, it was done by OPEC through Fox News today, that right you do not watch the news?

        • STL: Yes I know that, I just was being cute 😉

          P.S. I don’t drive too much at least, so rarely need to gas car. Even so, time will tell in matters. Lots of predictions abroad, and not all prevail.

          True, I don’t watch Fox News, but I’m subscribed to Washington Times online. However I haven’t had a chance to go through the big pile I’ve been collecting lately. And now NTEB is starting to pile up again.. never ending news insanity 🙄

  • STL

    DAN: I CONTINUE TO HEAR BRENDA SPEECHES ABOUT THE TRIBULATION PERIOD AS IT WAS A WALK IN THE PARK. THESE SORROWS THAT ARE COMING ON THE WORLD POPULATION IS NO CAKE WALK. FOR BEING A WOMAN, THEY WILL ENDURE THE MOST TERIBLE TIMES IN THEIR LIVES, PUTTING SO MUCH STRESS ON THEIR BELIEFS IN GOD, ONE PERSON CAN NOT ENDURE THOSE TYPE OF PRESSURES.

    LOOK AT THE WAR VETERANS THAT ENDURED WAR, THEY CALL IT PTSD WAR TRAUMAS, AND 40% OF THOSE RETURNING VETERANS ARE COMMITTING SUICIDE.

    AGAIN HOW DO PEOPLE LIKE BRENDA GOING TO SAY THEY ARE GOING TO STAY STRONG IN THEIR BELIEFS IN JESUS CHRIST, MOST WILL FAIL AND FALL TO SATAN, AND THEY WILL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEIR DOING TO THEMSELVES, BUT THE EMOTIONAL PAIN WILL BE UNBEARABLE TO DEAL WITH, THEN WE HAVE GOD’S WRATH THAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH AS THE PLANET WILL GO NUTS, WITH SUPER EARTHQUAKE, VOLCANOES ERUPTING, ASTERIOD ATTACKS, CHEMICAL AGENTS, ICE AGE, AND VERY LITTLE FOOD TO EAT, NO ELECTRIC TO COOK WITH, VERY LITTLE WATER.

    THE AMERICAN SINCE THE 1950’S HAVE LIVE THE GOOD LIFE, BUT THAT WILL NOT CONTINUE ANYMORE.

    SO YES, AS TRUE CHRISTIANS, WE WILL ENDURE TRIBULATIONS.

    • Brenda Murphy

      STL,
      I have had my share of tribulations, my first husband died of cancer, but before that, I had to help him build my own house, or we wouldn’t have had anything to live in. (It’s small , but cozy.)
      But nonetheless, it was hard to do.

      I am not rich, we barely keep our heads above water, as Ron has told you many times. We do not receive government help.

      But, God has brought me thru, and is still bringing us thru.
      That’s where you have to put your trust in Him, when the going gets tough, that is our test…
      Only–it will be harder in the great tribulation, that will be the real test of faith, but with Christ living in us–he said that he would keep us from the hour of temptation—that means we will not take the mark, unlike others, that do not have Christ….and the truth, in their hearts. He is able to keep us, or the blood is of no effect, so which is it?

  • STL

    Brenda: You have seen nothing yet, the last 50 years or so been a walk in the park. You can not even think what it will be, being hunted down as a pack of dogs biting at your heels. As my 5 tours in Vietnam was a drop in the bucket compare to when the Antichrist comes to power!

    You can say what ever to yourself, but until you confront your worse hells in life, then I’ll believe you?

    • Brenda Murphy

      I think you are one of my worst ‘hells in life’, lol.

      • STL

        Brenda: so you have a problem with someone stating the truth to you?

        • Brenda Murphy

          You don’t no the truth from your fox hole in the ground.

          • STL

            At least I know when to keep my head down in the fox hole, but in your case it in your ass!

  • STL

    Brenda: How can you stating to Dan that he’s not facing the truth and you are not facing the truth yourself1

  • STL

    Brenda; Why are you attacking Mark, and as you attack most people on this web site, who made you the Prophet of this web site? Do not you know God said, its not your place as a woman to voice your opinions against man? But Satan want you so hardly to spread his hate for mankind, to use you to do that against man?

    And you call yourself a Christian, but you make statements as of your the worest hell in life then you joke about it against me, as of LOL. And your a follower after Jesus Christ, but by your sppech your following after Satan?

    • Brenda Murphy

      Keep it up, STL, more stars in my crown.

      • STL

        Brenda: Do you really think your getting a crown, who presenting the crown to you? Satan?

      • STL

        Brenda See your lost already as you think your getting stars in your crown, but its rewards from Jesus Christ, has nothing to do with crowns. Maybe you been listening to Satan he has you confused!

    • Brenda Murphy

      I didn’t attack Mark, there you go again, can’t stand the truth, so you start twisting things, oh well, same ole’ Larue. Should’ve known.

      • STL

        Brenda: You do not know much of anything?

        • Brenda Murphy

          I only know that I love my Lord Jesus Christ….and he loves me.

        • Brenda Murphy

          Joh 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
          Joh 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
          Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
          Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
          Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
          Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
          Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
          Joh 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
          Joh 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
          Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
          Joh 15:11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
          Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
          Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
          Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
          Joh 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
          Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
          Joh 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
          Joh 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
          Joh 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
          Joh 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
          Joh 15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me.
          Joh 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
          Joh 15:23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
          Joh 15:24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
          Joh 15:25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
          Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
          Joh 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

    • STL: No worries brother, as her attacks don’t hurt, they just annoy me. In any case, as long as she persists in error, her future rewards bucket will remain empty. There are absolutely no rewards given for haplessly judging and accusing and condemning others.. without just cause 🙁 But there will be rewards heaped unto those whom are respectful and kind to others :):)

      Mat 16:27 KJV – For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

      1Co 3:8, 13-14 KJV – Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. … Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

      Rev 22:12 KJV – And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

  • STL

    Brenda: So you do not think people are suffering enough, until they enter the Tribulation Period. What about the lady who was a muslim converted to Christianity, then her boys and husband was beheaded just lately, to get her to change back being muslim, her statement, ” I forgive you.” Is that enough suffering in our world of today?

    • “What about the lady who was a muslim converted to Christianity, then her boys and husband was beheaded just lately, to get her to change back being muslim”

      @STL: I presume her family also converted to Christianity? Anyway, it’s simply called persecution by the bible. And as I recall, all of the twelve apostles including Paul ended up as faithful martyrs?

      P.S. A devout Muslim can convert to Christianity, however a devout Christian can’t revert or convert else-wise. For once the Spirit is indwelt (sealed within us), it can’t be removed period 🙂

    • Brenda Murphy

      It’s not up to me, to make people suffer, STL…satan does a good job, all by himself. I don’t want anyone to have to suffer, but the great tribulation cannot be avoided, unless we die before it starts.

  • Dan

    I left a really good message here ! I wish it would have gone through!

  • CrissCross

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  • Dan

    I good friend of mine “Harold Timmins” went to be with our father in heaven tonight. Happy trails my friend!!

    Blessings

  • chris M

    This pope is a jesuit.

    To be a jesuit , he would have HAD to swear the jesuit oath.

    This is the jesuit oath http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-oath.html

    For those who dont want to click the link , here is an excerpt , and please , bear in mind , that that little old man in white , running round talking about peace and uniting the churches SAID this , otherwise he would NOT be a jesuit.

    “I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants’ heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.”

    Do not be deceived.
    The word in the bible “antichrist” is our english translation of the greek word “antechristos”. Our word ANTI ( against ) is not the same word as the greek word ANTE which means “instead of” and the pope claims to be in Christs’ stead….”in His stead” ( vicar of Christ )

    There is no other organization on the face of this planet that has 7 hills , has had 7 kings ( from romulus ), as purple and scarlet as its favourite colours , and is “drunk with the blood of the saints” ( the crusades , the spanish inquisition , the protestant reformation , and others…………the vatican has killed at LEAST…..50 MILLION )

    The “mystery babylon mother of harlots and abominations of the earth” in Revelation 17 can ONLY be talking about the roman catholic / vatican system.

  • jerry

    Christ returns for the enduring remnant; their is one faith; that of Jesus Christ. Please understand that the scripture is simplistic in its designation, of who is and is not the church and what will be the circumstance the church will endure. Pre, mid, post it does not matter. those who endure to the end will be saved. I am pan trib. If you are His it will all pan out in the end! Be a doer of the Word!

    • Dan

      Spread the word Jerry! Because your right.

  • CrissCross

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    The Real Reason Liberal Churches Are Losing Members 🙁
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  • CrissCross

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  • Mountain Saint

    The False Prophet (Pope) will for a while force people to worship the Beast (antichrist) or be killed (Revelation 13)… But eventually the first Beast (one-world government) will turn on the one-world religion and have Rome burned down to the ground (Revelation 18:8).

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  • You are mistaken about the Catholic Church and the Pope. Revelation 17 speaks of the fallen of the Catholic Church dominating the Churh and persecuting the faithfull. The Pope will lead the Church and new converts into persecution and martyrdom, and better get on that boat. There is no taken away of the Churh (rapture) until the end of the tribulation (reserruction and translation of all Saints at the 7th trumpet). We are already in the tribulation and will spread to the whole world.

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  • the pope is stepping out of his boundaries, he is a false prophet, please do not follow him. follow Christ jesus.

  • Abdul

    pope Francis has been demonised, no surprise at his action. He shall surely receive his reward in hell! Brood of viper!

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