Pope Francis Decrees That Individual Salvation Outside Of Roman Catholic Church Doesn’t Exist

"Dear friends, let us ask the Lord, through the intercession of the Virgin Mary, Mother of the Church, for the grace to never fall into the temptation of thinking we can make it without others, that we can get along without the Church, that we can save ourselves alone, of being Christians of the laboratory. On the contrary, you cannot love God without loving your brothers, you cannot love God outside of the Church; you cannot be in communion with God without being so in the Church."
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The Pope recognizes no salvation outside of the Roman Catholic system

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8,9 (KJV)

Pope Francis gave a sermon on June 25th in Rome, where he dispelled any and all lingering doubt about how the Vatican views worldwide Christianity. Francis once again declared his unshakable belief that the Roman Catholic Holy Mother Church – the very same one mentioned in Revelation 17 & 18 as the ‘Whore of Babylon’ – is the one and the only church. Listen to Pope Francis as he tells you in his own words exactly what he thinks of all Christian churches outside of the Roman Catholic Church:

“No one becomes Christian on his or her own! Is that clear? No one becomes Christian by him or herself. Christians are not made in a laboratory. A Christian is part of a people who comes from afar. The Christian belongs to a people called the Church and this Church is what makes him or her Christian, on the day of Baptism, and then in the course of catechesis, and so on. But no one, no one becomes Christian on his or her own. If we believe, if we know how to pray, if we acknowledge the Lord and can listen to his Word, if we feel him close to us and recognize him in our brothers and sisters, it is because others, before us, lived the faith and then transmitted it to us. We have received the faith from our fathers, from our ancestors, and they instructed us in it.”

In the past 2,000 years the pagan-based Catholic Church system has been the hands-down, far and away, number one murderer of Christians on the face of the earth. The Vatican murdered Christians for 300 years in the catacombs, for 300 years during the Spanish Inquisition, and will once again kill them in record numbers during the coming days of the Great Tribulation that will take place after the Rapture. Listen again to Francis as he tells you that without the Virgin Mary, and the Church of Rome you cannot know God:

“Dear friends, let us ask the Lord, through the intercession of the Virgin Mary, Mother of the Church, for the grace to never fall into the temptation of thinking we can make it without others, that we can get along without the Church, that we can save ourselves alone, of being Christians of the laboratory. On the contrary, you cannot love God without loving your brothers, you cannot love God outside of the Church; you cannot be in communion with God without being so in the Church.”

“And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.” Revelation 16:13,14

We do hereby officially declare Pope Francis to be the False Prophet of the book of Revelation, and everything he has been doing since he was made Pope shows  this to be true. He is uniting all of Christianity under the umbrella of Rome, as well as the Muslims and Islam whom he plans on using as his muscle to carry out his edicts.

Behold, I have told you before.” Matthew 24:25

 

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  • Tony

    Good for Pope Francis. Also, the video about the Pope is very misleading.

    • Ort

      Good for him?? He is teaching falsely. You applaud that? You are so blinded by Rome you cannot even see the Truth in the Word of God. Sad.

      • Tony

        Why is he teaching falsely?

        • Ort

          Because salvation does not reside in the RCC. The thief on the cross was saved with faith alone by Grace alone. The church hadn’t been established yet. Everyone who lived and believed in messiah (before Messiah came) was saved by obedience and faith, because Grace didn’t exist until after the Lamb was slain and rose again.

          • Dan

            Good Point !

        • Bro. Nick

          The true Church is composed of every single person who has trusted “the Lord Jesus Christ” as his personal Saviour.

          According to the “the word of the LORD”, “the living God” – the Holy Bible – those who are truly “converted”, “born again”, blood bought “believers”, “followers” of “the Christ, the Son of the living God” – CHRISTians come NOT ONLY FROM the Roman Catholic Church.

          “13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
          14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
          15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
          16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
          17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

          18 AND HE IS THE HEAD OF THE BODY, THE CHURCH: WHO IS THE BEGINNING, THE FIRSTBORN FROM THE DEAD; THAT IN ALL THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE THE PREEMINENCE.

          19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
          20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.”
          (Coll 1:13-20 – KJV) – – Emphasis mine – Bro. Nick

          NOTE – everything in ” ” are words or verses found in the Holy Bible (KJV)

          • Stephen

            To be born again (John 3), means to be baptized (through water and spirit). If we are to say “born again” simply means to declare Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior, 3:18 “He who does not believe is condemned already” would mean condemning many infants, children, teenagers, etc. Baptism is the new means of salvation (it used to be circumcision after 8 days), but yet this child has to take this faith as his own someday and is not simply “saved” forever, for only God can grant salvation.

            The term “Catholic” only came into existence when other people identifying as Christians believed in false doctrines and disagreed with the disciples, and their disciples. John’s disciple, Ignatius of Antioch was the first one that recorded in (around 100-107 AD) shortly after the Apostle John’s death.

            Jesus came to establish a kingdom “on earth as it is in heaven”. The line of Abraham and Moses and David has always existed and it did not end with Jesus. He established a new line (Mt 16:16-19) in which Jesus is the King (the cornerstone which the builders rejected), but there must be someone in his stead (Isaiah 22:22) while he is gone, just as was done in the kingdom of Israel until they were cast into exile. Jesus came to bring “repentance” (Mt 4) – a sign that the new king was coming and exile would be no more. It makes no sense that God would not give us someone and leave us in exile. You are flirting with beliefs of “deism”. God was always present in his people, and I don’t think 40,000 Protestant denominations with differing beliefs is playing out like John 17’s prayer that “you may be one” and Ephesians 4 when it talks about the “oneness” of the Church. Only the Catholic Church is still “one” and has no split from the line of Peter, the vicar in Christ’s stead.

          • Bro. Nick

            @ Stephen – Sir, If you wish to follow your “Sovereign Pontiff, Successor of Peter as Bishop of Rome”, your “holy father” and your Roman Catholic Church doctrines – that is your personal choice.
            Some of the doctrines that you choose to follow are – according to the Roman Catholic Church –

            “The Bible Proves the Teachings of the {Roman} Catholic Church”
            http://www.trusaint.com/the-bible-proves-the-teachings-of-the-catholic-church/

            •The Bible teaches that Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist
            •The Biblical basis for praying to Mary and for Catholic teachings on Mary
            •The Bible teaches that Jesus made St. Peter the first Pope
            •Justification by faith alone and eternal security refuted by the Bible
            •The Bible teaches confession to a Priest
            •The Bible on praying to and venerating Saints
            •The Bible teaches baptismal regeneration and that baptism is necessary for salvation
            •The proof for infant baptism
            •Baptism doesn’t have to be immersion
            •The Bible teaches Purgatory
            •The Bible does not teach Sola Scriptura (scripture alone)
            – – – – – – – –
            Please be aware that you can ‘prove’ nearly anything using the Holy Bible that you want to – by taking what is said in the Holy Word of “the LORD GOD” out of context – it is done frequently in churches – unfortunately it is often absolutely intentional.

            – – – – – – – –
            I am a CHRISTian, a follower of “the Lord Jesus Christ” – who was crucified once for the atonement of sin, and it it He only who is “the head of the church”.
            (Eph 5: – KJV)
            “The church” is made up only of those who have personally accepted the free gift of Biblical salvation [which is not of any ‘man made denomination’ or ‘church’], having been saved by Grace through Faith alone.
            (Eph 2:8-10 – KJV)

    • regina

      what i believe he was inferring is there are no lone ranger Christians we need the church for teaching reprove,fellowship, directions, decernment Where do you go when you need spiritual help? your pastor where do you find this pastor? generally in some church.

      • Tony

        True.

      • Dan

        I go to G-d when I need help

        • Stephen

          The Pharisees went to God. Joel Olsteen goes to God. Obama goes to God. Many people go to God, but without the Church they fall into error. The 10 Northern Tribes of Israel went to God, but they fell into error because they left the true Kingdom in Jerusalem.

          Timothy gives instructions to wait, and that “you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth”. What is the foundation and pillar? The Church of the living God. I don’t see any individuals declaring pillars or foundations of truth. Only God’s Church can do that.

          • The Gospel states very clearly that we are not alone…. the Holy Spirit was sent to us to comfort and guide us. When you believe that it has to be a man/woman then you are toying with danger…you are looking from a worldly perspective rather than the Word of God. John 14:15-17 John 15:26.

            Rev 12:9 (the great deceiver). Did not Satan deceive many in the days of Noah and Lot

            Matthew 7:21–23

            Matthew 7:15 – Beware of the false prophets! They come to you wearing sheep’s clothing….You will recognize them by their fruit…. The Great Persecution, Spanish Inquisition, Pedophilia, Homosexuality, Blasphemy, pompous words… changing of times and dates (Gregorian Calendar) Sabbath to Sunday…All denominations (or should i say demon-nations)have watered down the word of God in order to benefit themselves…Look how they put themselves above others…everyone is equal in the eyes of God if you are of Him….Narrow is the road to salvation… wide is the road to hell!
            God will bless all those who truly love Him and keep His Commandments, not the commandments of men. I could go on and on with scripture that clearly shows catholicism and denominations are of the devil… but it is for you to ‘seek and you shall find’.

    • Bro. Nick

      Words have specific meaning –

      In “the word of the LORD”, “the word of truth”, “thy law”, the Holy Bible it is written:

      3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
      4 God forbid: yea,

      LET GOD BE TRUE, BUT EVERY MAN A LIAR;

      as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
      (Rom 3:3-4 – KJV) – – Emphasis & Cap’s mine – Bro. Nick
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      3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
      4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
      (2 Tim 4:3-4 – KJV)

      Every person must choose – do you believe
      “the Lord God Almighty”

      – – – – – – – – OR – – – – – – – –

      do you believe a man?

      Here is a quote from the previous Pope aka “Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman province, Sovereign of the State of the Vatican City, Servant of the Servants of God.” –

      msnbc.com news services | updated 7/10/2007 9:52:43 AM ET

      ‘Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches.

      Benedict approved a document from his old offices at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that restates church teaching on relations with other Christians. It was the second time in a week the pope has corrected what he says are erroneous interpretations of the Second Vatican Council, the 1962-65 meetings that modernized the church.

      http://www.nbcnews.com/id/19692094/ns/world_news-europe/t/pope-other-denominations-not-true-churches/#.U66dVJUg9hE

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      Read the words that Pope Francis said – did he contradict Pope Benedict XVI – NO

      • Stephen

        I like your quote in 2 Tim 4:3-4.

        I don’t know if you’ve heard of Henry Cardinal Newman before, he was a Protestant who made a book to prove the Catholic church was wrong. He did by examining Catholic beliefs in the 19th century and looked in the 18th century if they existed. He did this all the way to the first century, writings of Popes and many Catholic martyrs even and well…he became Catholic. If the Catholic church’s doctrines haven’t changed then how are they a “perverted doctrine”. There have been truths that have been added (ie Trinity, Mary being Mother of God, her Immaculate Conception, etc.), but none have been changed.

        The heresy of Arianism almost destroyed the Church. If it wasn’t for the established Truths and doctrines of the Church, it would’ve fallen.

        • Listener

          To Stephen

          Mary — the mother of God?

          REALLY ???

          If God existed BEFORE Mary was ever born (and He did)– then how could she have given birth to Him?

          Mary gave birth to the Saviors humanity !

          NOT His Divinity!

          This ‘mother of God’ lie comes by way of Babylon.

          Forget Cardinal Newman and go way back into history and study the religion practiced at Babylon and you’ll see what the Roman ‘church’ really is.

          Recently, Newt Gingrich became a catholic too — doesn’t make him right either.

          Getting your church history just from catholic sources is idiocy, at best!

          • Steve

            Fundamentalists often assert that Mary did not carry God in her womb, but only carried Christ’s human nature. This is a heresy from the 5th century: Nestorianism, which runs aground on the fact that a mother does not merely carry the human nature of her child in her womb. Rather, she carries the person of her child. Women do not give birth to human natures; they give birth to persons. Mary thus carried and gave birth to the person of Jesus Christ, and the person she gave birth to was God.

            Similarly, let’s assume you are a man. Your Y chromosome is from your father and you X from your mother. Does that mean your mother is only the mother of your X chromosomes, but has no right to claim you as mother of your X chromosomes? That is silly indeed. I love my mother even though she only applied half of my chromosomes and she is mother of ALL of me.

            As for your quote about my “idiocy” in history, I’ll give you a few quotes from people in history:
            “The Virgin Mary, being obedient to his word, received from an angel the glad tidings that she would bear God” – Irenaeus,189 AD

            “[T]o all generations they [the prophets] have pictured forth the grandest subjects for contemplation and for action. Thus, too, they preached of the advent of God in the flesh to the world, his advent by the spotless and God-bearing (theotokos) Mary in the way of birth and growth, and the manner of his life and conversation with men, and his manifestation by baptism, and the new birth that was to be to all men, and the regeneration by the laver [of baptism]” – Hippolytus, 217 AD

            “For Luke, in the inspired Gospel narratives, delivers a testimony not to Joseph only, but also to Mary, the Mother of God, and gives this account with reference to the very family and house of David” – Gregory the Wonderworker, 262 AD

            It looks like history, reason, theology, and doctrine of the early Church are on my side. That leaves nothing for you but your empty words and opinions. You are promoting a 5th century heresy and going against what the early Church said and believed. God Bless You!

    • Bro. Nick

      How is Pope Francis misleading? Words have definite meanings, and for Roman Catholics they have tremendous significance –
      It is called ‘The Doctrine of Papal Infallibility’

      ‘The First Vatican Council has defined as “a divinely revealed dogma” that “the Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra — that is, when in the exercise of his office as pastor and teacher of all Christians he defines, by virtue of his supreme Apostolic authority, a doctrine of faith or morals to be held by the whole Church — is, by reason of the Divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, possessed of that infallibility with which the Divine Redeemer wished His Church to be endowed in defining doctrines of faith and morals; and consequently that such definitions of the Roman Pontiff are irreformable of their own nature (ex sese) and not by reason of the Church’s consent” –Infallibility at the Catholic Encyclopedia [1913]
      Infallibility belongs in a special way to the pope as head of the bishops (Matt. 16:17-19; John 21:15-17). As Vatican II remarked, it is a charism the pope “enjoys in virtue of his office, when, as the supreme shepherd and teacher of all the faithful, who confirms his brethren in their faith (Luke 22:32), he proclaims by a definitive act some doctrine of faith or morals. Therefore his definitions, of themselves, and not from the consent of the Church, are justly held irreformable, for they are pronounced with the assistance of the Holy Spirit, an assistance promised to him in blessed Peter.” –Papal Infallibility – at Catholic Answers

      Papal infallibility is one of the great differences between Catholicism and Protestantism. Very few seem to be aware of the awesome implications of this Catholic dogma. Hopefully, this brief summary will illuminate them. Regarding papal infallibility the present-day Roman Catholic Church says… –Papal Infallibility – by Dan Corner’

      http://www.zpub.com/un/pope/infal.html

      ——————————————-

      If you wish to follow the ‘wisdom of men’ – that is your choice. “The LORD GOD” has some very strong words to think about:

      13 ¶ Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
      14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
      15 Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?
      16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter’s clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?
      (Is 29:13-16 – KJV)

      • Stephen

        There has only been 1 time (1950, Dogma of Mary’s Assumption) where Papal Infallibility has been used since its official establishment in 1870. Pope Francis is a sinner just like the rest of us and he makes many mistakes. Your complete misunderstanding of the Church’s teaching is like saying since 5-2=2, then 2+2=5

        • Stephen

          I must have read your post wrong. Apologies!

        • Bro. Nick

          @ Stephen – You wrote – ‘There has only been 1 time (1950, Dogma of Mary’s Assumption) where Papal Infallibility has been used since its official establishment in 1870.’
          That sounds like an excuse for that one specific erroneous instance of following the man made and instituted Roman Catholic Church doctrine which violates “the word of God”, “the truth”, “the law”:

          18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
          19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
          (Rev 22:18-19 – KJV)

          You also wrote – ‘ Pope Francis is a sinner just like the rest of us and he makes many mistakes.’
          Has he ever professed publically that he is a sinner?
          He dares to be addressed as ‘holy father’ when that is used ONLY ONE TIME in “the word of the living God”, when “the Lord Jesus Christ” specifically address “God the Father” as “Holy Father” (John 17:11 – KJV)

          If I were arrested for suspicion of murder, and confessed saying that ‘I have only murdered one person’ – I would still be guilty of murder.

          BUT – you make excuses for Roman Catholic Church doctrines and dogmas which are totally in violation of what “the words of God”, “the law” actually say and mean, and then you accuse me of –
          ‘Your complete misunderstanding of the {Roman Catholic} Church’s teaching is like saying since 5-2=2, then 2+2=5’.
          You are entitled to your beliefs, BUT you do indeed teach another Jesus:
          “For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.”
          (2 Cor 11:4 – KJV)
          – – –
          My choice is to believe and follow only “Christ Jesus” who is the true head of His Church, and to believe “the truth” of what is written in the Holy Bible iaw – just for starters:
          2 Tim 2;15 | Acts 17:11 | 2 Tim 3:16-17 | Prov 30:5-6 |
          Prov 22:17-21 – KJV

      • Hi this is for Stephen, Im not being argumentative but Christ was not conceived in the way a human was so your X and Y chromosomes theory is quite irrelevant really. The X and Y inheritance is from mortal man not God…so I have to conclude that you are basing your argument of Mary being the Mother of God from a VERY worldly perspective.

        Approach from a Scriptural angle: Matthew 12:46-50 He was still speaking to the crowd when his mother and brothers appeared outside asking to talk with him. But to the one who has informed him he replied, “Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?” pointing to his talmidim, he said, “Look! Here are my mother and brothers! Whoever does what my Father in heaven wants, that person is my brother and mother.” THAT is what the LORD said so what you imply or have been taught is a total contradiction to His Word.
        There is also the missing commandment in many catholic bibles. Thou shall not make unto thee any graven images, thou shall not bow down to them… I know catholics have been taught that the Lord made that commandment obsolete when having graven images inside the temple…They were what God commanded NOT man, as in the statues that are supposedly Christ, Mary etc.
        I also know catholics state they do not bow down to images, if that is the case why have them? I do not have any and I speak and think of the Lord everyday, a prompt is not necessary. Besides that many a pope bow down and kiss statues their are plenty of images and recordings around for all to see. Every word of the Bible is important so take note of ALL the evidence given about statues – not mans explanation but Gods(Psalm 115:4, Acts 19:26,Rev 9:20,
        Leviticus 19:4, Deuteronomy 4:28, 1Kings 16:7, 1 Kings 18:26, 2 Kings 19:18, 2 Chronicles 32:19, Isaiah 2:8, Isaiah 37:19 Isaiah 40:19, Isaiah 44:10, Isaiah 44:20, Jeremiah 10:3-4 Jeremiah 10:9, Jeremiah 16:20, Daniel 5:4,Daniel 5:23 Habakkuk 2:18. They even bow down to the ‘shroud of Turin’ which is a cloth.
        There is but one mediator between God and man and that is Christ Jesus… not the bible. As he said “I am the way and the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me…not other religions coming together and going to heaven regardless if they know or accept Christ. Please wake up.

        • a mistake made on the 3rd line from the end.. it should state: there is but one mediator between God and man and that is Christ Jesus…not the pope, priest, pastor etc they are but man.

        • Stephen

          A few things:

          1) Christ was not conventionally conceived no, but he is 100% human and 100% divine, which means – guess what – he has 46 chromosomes like the rest of us. Jesus has a mother and father – he refers to God as His Father and Mary as his Mother in scripture – if you don’t believe me for some reason, John 19 and many other places mention this. If Mary isn’t the Mother of God, then who was she carrying in her womb? I’m all for science because God created it and logic is a part of science. Tell me – is my dad who conceived me not my father because in Jeremiah 1:5 it says that God knew me before He made me in the womb? I existed BEFORE my parents conceived me. God existed BEFORE Jesus was conceived. Jesus is God and Mary is His Mother – this is textbook 1+1. My mother is not the mother of my green eyes and ears, but ALL of me. In John 2, did Jesus ignore his mother because she was only the mother of his human side? Can you imagine him saying, “You’re not the mother of that half of me, you can’t tell that half of me what to do.”? The argument is entirely ridiculous. Mary carried Jesus in her womb and gave birth to Him, she is His mother. If you can’t get this, I have little hope to convince you that Jesus performed miracles, which defy logic.

          2) You make a good point in your second paragraph (Matthew 12:46-50). However, your conclusion is incorrect. Jesus is teaching something to the crowd here – he didn’t say this just to make your argument in 2015 become right (the reasons many Protestants think specific Scripture passages exist). Jesus is proving a point here – only those that follow His will are truly His family. Now, who among all people in the Bible followed the will of God more than Mary? Arguably nobody! An angel of the Lord appeared to her and what was her response. “Let it be done unto my according to thy word.” There was no doubt in her mind about following His will.

          3) There are no missing commandments in the Catholic Bibles. The Catholic Bibles are the only ones who haven’t removed books, added or removed words, etc. like the King James Version and Martin Luther. This is a common Protestant error – there are actually 14 Commandments in the scripture. We have combined them all into 10 – Catholics and Protestants group them together slightly differently. Go ahead, read the passage in Exodus 20 yourself and count the 14. The verse you quote is most definitely in Catholic Bibles – I’m looking at it right now, you are just making an accusation without actually having looked into it – a common mistake by Protestants.

          4) Going off your comments related to #3, you make some great points here, but again you are missing the point. God’s commandments is for “graven images”, which is something made by man and his own intelligence or creation (Is 21:9, 30:22, Jer 8:19, Hos 11:2, Deut 27:15, etc.). A graven image is something that is worshipped for that which is itself. This was a reminder of the Golden Calf for the Israelites, who worshipped this Calf, who was not Yahweh, but something they created and worshipped. If you read about the temple Solomon built, there are many images and statues – but they are not graven (1 King 6:21-29). They are holy objects and not worshipped, they are a means to God, not a means to an end of itself (basic Philosophy here). God commands Moses to make statues in Ex 25:18-21, a bronze serpent in Num 21:8-9.

          Your points are valid if you are only reading from your own mind, almost as if you are driving a semi down the highway and ignoring everything but the road. However, it is not to be read as such. You have put yourself in a corner. Either the commandment about graven images is alluding to the worship of statues or God at some point during the life of Moses changed his mind. We know from Paul, “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever…” so I think I will go with the correct interpretation. Jesus did not forbid creating statues or pictures, he forbade worshipping them and making them for ourselves. I happen to be in the right state of mind to believe having a picture of my father in my house is not sinful, it’s time you gave up being a fundamentalist. I’ve never met an argument from a fundamentalist that didn’t cave in a second.

    • Bro. Nick

      What Pope Francis said is only affirming official Roman Catholic doctrine that is hundreds of years old –

      EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS (No Salvation Outside the Church)

      The Latin phrase “Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus” means: “Outside the Church there is no salvation”. Catholics interprets this to mean that “all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body.”

      This expression comes from the writings of Saint Cyprian of Carthage, a bishop of the 3rd century, and is found his Letter LXXII, Ad Jubajanum de haereticis baptizandis, and in Latin reads: “Salus extra ecclesiam non est”. The axiom is often used as short-hand for the doctrine, upheld by the the Roman Catholic Church, that the Church is absolutely necessary for salvation (“one true faith”). The theological basis for this doctrine is founded on the beliefs that (1) Jesus Christ personally established the one Church; and (2) the Church serves as the means by which the graces won by Christ are communicated to believers.

      Some of the most pertinent Roman Catholic expressions of this doctrine are: the profession of faith of Pope Innocent III (1208), the profession of faith of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), the bull Unam sanctam of Pope Boniface VIII (1302), and the profession of faith of the Council of Florence (1442). The axiom “No salvation outside the Church” has been frequently repeated over the centuries in different terms by the ordinary magisterium.

      http://www.trusaint.com/no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church/

      For anyone that is interested, see what the official Roman Catholic positions are about the following – go to the following RCC website –

      The Bible Proves the Teachings of the Catholic Church
      http://www.trusaint.com/the-bible-proves-the-teachings-of-the-catholic-church/

      •The Bible teaches that Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist
      •The Biblical basis for praying to Mary and for Catholic teachings on Mary
      •The Bible teaches that Jesus made St. Peter the first Pope
      •Justification by faith alone and eternal security refuted by the Bible
      •The Bible teaches confession to a Priest
      •The Bible on praying to and venerating Saints
      •The Bible teaches baptismal regeneration and that baptism is necessary for salvation
      •The proof for infant baptism
      •Baptism doesn’t have to be immersion
      •The Bible teaches Purgatory
      •The Bible does not teach Sola Scriptura (scripture alone)

      ———————————————————
      We all need to remember the absoluteness of “the truth” according with what “the word of the LORD” says:

      “That I might make thee know the certainty of THE WORDS OF TRUTH; that thou mightest answer THE WORDS OF TRUTH to them that send unto thee?”
      (Prov 22:21 – KJV) – – Capitalization mine – Bro. Nick

      “The LORD JEHOVAH” uses the word “truth” 235 times, and “the truth” 87 times in “the word of the LORD”, “the law”, The Holy Bible (KJV).

      ‘Sometimes “the truth” makes Love hurt’

      “The Truth” is “the Truth” – even if nobody chooses to believe it!

      “The truth” is hate speech only to those who hate “the truth”.

      ———————————————–
      I do not hate the followers of Pope Francis and the doctrines and dogma of Roman Catholic Church.
      I pray that many-many-many will come to true faith which is found only in “the Lord Jesus Christ”!!!
      John 14:6 | Rom 10:9-10 | Eph 2:8-10 | 2 Pet 3:9, 1 Tim 2:4

      • Melissa lives for the Lord

        GOD BLESS YOU Bro. Nick

        Let all men seek the Truth written by the Lord and come to know the Word by measure of activelty pursuing his own salvation by accepting that SALVATION ONLY COMES VIA JESUS CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD WHO WAS CRUCIFIED TO REDEEM ALL MANKIND FROM THEIR SINS AND IT IS ONLY THROUGH CHRIST THAT ONE SHALL ENJOY LIFE ETERNAL. NO ONE COMES THROUGH THE GATES OF HEAVEN BUT THROUGH HIM, JESUS CHRIST. SEEK THE LORD IN ALL OF THY DOING. PRAY CEASINGLY. CONFESS AND REPENT FROM YOUR SINS (REPENT= TO CHANGE). SEEK THE LORD FIRST, ABOVE ALL ELSE!

        Please do not take my, Bro. Nick’s, the pope, or anyone else’s word, but dive straight into scripture for yourself for all of your answers. I we are all sinners, so challenge us and prove us wrong… not to boast, but because we may have been and the only way you can know the Truth is by being thirsty for it any reading it. When in question, compare what you are told to the Word of God to determine for yourself. You can not rely on anyone other than yourself for your salvation. Jesus is the only one who can give it to you, but you have to pursue it and ask for yourself. I encourage you to develop a personal relationship with Jesus through prayer, worship, repentance, and study with a humble, honest heart.

        • Bro. Nick

          Melissa lives for the Lord – Thank you very much for your statement – ‘Please do not take my, Bro. Nick’s, the pope, or anyone else’s word’!
          “The word of the LORD” says:

          13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
          14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

          15 STUDY TO SHEW THYSELF APPROVED UNTO GOD,
          a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
          RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH.

          16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
          18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
          19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
          (2 Tim 2:13-19 – KJV)
          CAPITALIization and emphasis mine – Bro. Nick

          – –
          “These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
          (Acts 17:11 – KJV)

  • Yeah because we KNOW THAT THESE CHILD MOLESTERS “ARE THE WAY HUH?

    • Tony

      And how do you know that the Pope is a child molester? How do you know that all priests. for that matter, are child molesters? Have you met every priest in the world?

      • chris M

        The pope is a jesuit. Besides being wrong about everything else , he has sworn an oath to be a jesuit , and he could not possibly be a jesuit without swearing that oath.

        I challenge you Tony to read this oath , and tell me afterwards that that abomination sitting there leading people to hell , is a good man.
        I challenge you.

        Read this and save yourself. http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-oath.html

        Just in case you are afraid and want to put your head in the sand , here is a quote from it. Please remember …that man in the white dress up there swore these words

        “I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants’ heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.”

        This man is willing to add to the 66 MILLION that the roman catholic church has already killed.

        HOW can this be of God ???

        GOD is LOVE…..NOT murder. Wake up.

        • Steve

          You read anything and you believe it if you want to. Check out the facts before you believe ridiculous stuff. This is not the Jesuit oath, nor has it ever been. It’s anti-Catholic propaganda made up by Robert Ware in the 1600’s debunked several centuries ago.

    • mar

      It is totally unfair and unjust to say that every Catholic priest is a child molester, because that is not the case at all… i am a very proud Catholic and very happy to be one.. My love for the church and praying to God and the Blessed Mother have gotten me through alot of hard time.

      • Ort

        We are not to pray to anyone but God Himself. Mary cannot hear you. She is not God. God hears our prayers.

        • mar

          When our Lord was on the cross, He said to one of his diciples… Behold thy Mother… so, the Blessed Virgin lived with him and he took care of her.. Mary is a mediator to our Lord… Our Lord does not want her to be disrespected, as she is His Mother.. so, Yes she does hear our prayers aslo… Don’t say something you dont know anything about without doing research on it… 🙂

          • Gerri

            Hail Yeshua full of grace the Father is with thee, blessed art thou amongst all men, women and children and blessed are you my Elohim and King. Holy Yeshua Son of Yah pray for us sinners now until the hour of our death, amen.

            John 14:6 Yeshua saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

          • Ort

            Mar: 1 Timothy 2:5. There is one God, and ONE MEDIATOR between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.
            Mary is not, nor has ever been, a mediator. That is blasphemy and apostasy!
            Who taught you this unscriptural poison?

          • Ort

            1 Timothy 2:5 “there is one God, and there is ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN, THE MAN CHRIST JESUS.”

            I have done my “research”—it’s called the Bible. I don’t know where you got your heretical, unBiblical teaching from.

            Mary is dead. Mary cannot hear prayers, only God can hear prayers. If she could, that would mean she is omnipotent. That would make her equal to God.
            That, dear Mar, is blasphemy, heresy, and apostasy.

            Now please do your research, because you have been deceived. This is not meant with any animosity or hatred. You have been taught falsely and have been deceived.
            : (

          • John

            Catholics please run don’t walk away from these child molesting perverts. Read your Bible! The Mother Whole of Revelation 17. CATHOLIC Church) Mary does not hear your prayers neither does any dead person. Only the Lord Jesus
            1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus”

          • Deets

            When the Lord placed his earthly mother into the care of John, he was ensuring she would be taken care of, since we believe her husband, Joseph, was no longer in the picture. After Jesus died and was resurrected, Mary’s relationship with him had to change. She was no longer to be his earthly mother because he ascended to the Father to take his place at His right hand, as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. God was pleased to bestow this upon His Son. She herself had admitted her need for a Savior way back in Luke’s Gospel, when she “rejoices in God, my Savior.” She was a special woman, yes, we honor the virgin birth of Jesus. But she is not deity herself, nor is she queen of Heaven, or the mother of all people. God is the Creator of all people and He does not share His glory with anyone.

        • Only by His grace

          You are correct the catholisim is so pageanized. They worship graven images, they crucify Jesus over and over again, they put Mary above Jesus, they commit idolatry to the fullest, they blaspheme The Lords word. A religion that can’t keep the Ten Commandments when Jesus kept them all. We must open the eyes if the blind don’t use hateful words to prove Jesus is the way, we need to be wise and kind and extend Gods grace even to our enemies so they may have a chance for salvation. Jesus is the only way the truth may The Lord in heaven have mercy on all of our souls and bless you All!!!!

          • Bro. Nick

            Oh the wonder of “the LORD GOD” – only by His Grace – of Biblical Salvation:

            10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
            11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
            12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance:

            but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
            13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
            14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
            15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
            (Matt 13:10-15 – KJV)
            – – My emphasis of the Holy Scripture – Bro. Nick

      • chris M

        The pope is a jesuit. Besides being wrong about everything else , he has sworn an oath to be a jesuit , and he could not possibly be a jesuit without swearing that oath.

        I challenge you Tony to read this oath , and tell me afterwards that that abomination sitting there leading people to hell , is a good man.
        I challenge you.

        Read this and save yourself. http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-oath.html

        Just in case you are afraid and want to put your head in the sand , here is a quote from it. Please remember …that man in the white dress up there swore these words

        “I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants’ heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.”

        This man is willing to add to the 66 MILLION that the roman catholic church has already killed.

        HOW can this be of God ???

        GOD is LOVE…..NOT murder. Wake up.

        Mary has nothing whatsoever to do with salvation. She is not co-redemptrix. Jesus said ” I am the way , the truth , and the life. No man comes to the Father , except by me” ( not me and mary )

        ” There is ONE mediator between God and man , the man Jesus Christ” ( not Jesus and Mary )

        If Mary were sinless , why did she offer two turtledoves as a sin offering after Jesus was born ?

        Why also does she call God her saviour ?

        You are deceived friend. You need to wake up now.

        • mar

          Sorry, but I do not feel deceived… I do read the Bible … the true Bible from Jesus Christ himself when he walked this earth… the first priests were the diciples…. I am very happy with God in my life and also His Mother.. the Blessed Virgin Mary.. 🙂

          • Bro. Nick

            Mary was truly a remarkable woman, for she was chosen by “the Lord God Almighty” to be the human mother of “the Lord Jesus Christ”. The Holy Bible says:

            18 ¶ Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

            19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
            20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

            21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
            22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
            23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
            24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:

            25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
            (Matt 1:18-25 – KJV)

            Mary was a virgin when she bore “Jesus Christ” – then Joseph “knew her” (v 25) – and Mary was no longer a virgin!

            There is – according to “the word of God” ONLY ONE MEDIATOR between GOD and man:

            “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
            (1 Tim 2:5 – KJV)

            ————————–

            ‘Christendom’ IS ABOUT what any man likes, or is happy with:
            “In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.”
            (Judges 17:6, 21:25 – KJV)

            =========================================================

            True CHRISTianity IS ONLY ABOUT “thus saith the LORD” in “the word of truth”, “thy law”, the Holy Bible:

            5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
            6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
            (Prov 30:5-6 – KJV)

      • Aria Wren Monet

        There is no ‘Holy Mother’ and God has no place in Catholicism.

      • Strongman

        Mary was a sinner like us! Mary is not God! Mary says in
        Luke 1:47 : And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
        A sinner need a Saviour!

        • Bro. Nick

          @ Strongman – Amen to “the truth” of “the word of the LORD”!!!

        • Steve

          Mary does need a savior. But she is a special case. Say you have a child in a laundromat and it crawls into the washer without your knowing. Two things can happen, you can save the child before you close the door (before sin) and start or after (after sin). Either way, the child is saved.

          Either way, we need Jesus Christ to save us.

          Don’t limit your understanding of salvation to a small box, God can do anything.

          • Bro. Nick

            @ Steve – You can use all the ‘what if’s you want’, and if you wish to follow what you said – ‘Don’t limit your understanding of salvation to a small box, God can do anything.’ that is again your choice – and you may sincerely believe that your god truly can do anything.
            – – –
            HOWEVER – “The LORD JEHOVAH” can only do that which He has already written of Himself in His Holy Word – which means that He cannot lie or change His way of saving men:
            “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
            (Heb 13:8 – KJV)

            I personally choose to only believe what is written in “the word of the LORD” about Biblical Salvation which is:
            8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
            9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
            10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
            (Eph 2:8-10 – KJV)

            8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
            9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
            10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
            11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
            12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
            13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
            (Rom 10:8-13 – KJV)

            A CHRISTians works are BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN SAVED BY GRACE THRU FAITH
            – not to work our way unto salvation – which is IMPOSSIBLE!!!

    • Mike

      All you “loving” evangelical protestants in this thread, spewing the mercy and forgiveness of our Lord. I am so embarrassed to be a protestant! You are all a bunch of filthy wretches saved by grace and yet you show no mercy and no love for those you deem in error. What a way to model Christmas to the Catholics that are reading this thread. You are all a bunch of utter embarrassments and had better check yourselves before you wreck yourselves.

      BTW: Go Google C.J. Mahaney. A man defended publicly by no less than John MacArthur, who harbored and protected a serial child molester in a protestant church.

      Then check your own hearts and watch with fear and trembling, lest you fall into the trap of your own sins. God have mercy!

      • Erin

        I’m a little confused, how is pointing out false doctrine to someone spewing hate? There is no judgement of a person in that, it is holding up teachings to the scrutiny of God’s Word, which that same scripture commands us to do.

      • Bro. Nick

        @ Mike – IF a truly converted, born-again, CHRISTian responds Biblically in a truly loving way to point out error – be it to another Christian ,or to a Roman Catholic, a Mohammadin, a Buddhist, etc…, we are doing as “the LORD GOD” told us to do:

        1 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
        2 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
        3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
        4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
        5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
        6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand.
        (Ezek 33:1-6 – KJV)

        As you wrote – ‘Then check your own hearts and watch with fear and trembling, lest you fall into the trap of your own sins. God have mercy!’ – ABSOLUTELY

        Philippians 2:12 – AND – 1 Pet 4:18 – AND – Prov 8:13 – AND – Luke 18:13

    • Stephen

      “They can’t be right because they are sinners.” Have you ever thought about that? Why do people leave the Church because of its sinners? It comes down to their own pride and righteousness.

      “Let the man without sin cast the first stone”. If you don’t sin, you can start your own Church…and it’ll be full of sinners.

      • Bro. Nick

        @ Steve – Only by the Mercy and Grace of “the only wise God” did I not leave the {Roman Catholic} church!
        WHY – because – only by the Mercy and Grace of “the LORD GOD” – I never ‘joined’ it in the first place!!!

        If I start a church, it will be because “the LORD JEHOVAH” guides me to in these days of the famine of sound Biblical Churches – these latter days of great spiritual deception, false teachers and false prophets:
        11 ¶ Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
        12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.
        (Amos 8:11-12 – KJV)

        About true churches being full of sinners – you are absolutely correct, for when I say that “I am a CHRISTian”

        When I say that “I am a CHRISTian” – I am not shouting that “I am clean living.”
        I’m whispering “I was lost, but now I’ve been ‘converted’ and have been forgiven.”

        When I say that “I am a CHRISTian” – I don’t speak of this with pride.
        I’m confessing that I continue to sin and constantly need to let the Holy Ghost guide me.

        When I say that “I am a CHRISTian” – I am not saying that I am strong.
        I’m professing that I’m weak and need His strength to carry on.

        When I say that “I am a CHRISTian” – I am not bragging of success.
        I’m admitting that I still fail – but when I sincerely confess and truly repent of my sins, GOD will forgive me – yet again.

        When I say that “I am a CHRISTian” – I am not saying that there are no more problems.
        I still feel the sting of pain and have my share of heartaches, but He will comfort me when I call upon His name and trust Him.

        When I say that “I am a CHRISTian” – I am not holier than thou.
        I am a dirty, rotten sinner who has received GOD’s Holy Grace thru Faith!

        When I say that “I am a CHRISTian” – It is not what I’m going to get out of GOD!
        It is what He is going to get out me!

        (mod from original by Bro. Nick)

    • Tony

      Should you not be praying for child molesters to be converted instead of playing God and pretending to send them to hell?

      • Bro. Nick

        @ Tony – As truly converted, blood-bought followers of “the Lord Jesus Christ” – CHRISTians should pray for every lost soul – be they a child molester, murder, thief, idolator, Pope Francis, or any other sinner

        – like we all were before we became a “born again” child of “the living God” – only by Grace through Faith! (Eph 2:8-10)

        • Tony

          No objection there.

      • Sunny

        For HOW many are you going to pray for??? 🙁
        http://www.remnantofgod.org/rccsex.htm

        …these are just some (there are a dozen of others links too)!

  • laura

    Amen. He is the Jesuit false prophet of Revelation. The first beast of Revelation is in the White House.

    • chris M

      dont be so focussed on one place that you maybe miss something else. Im not saying he isn’t , but the bible tells us the ac will be “revealed” , which means he is hidden. View everyone with suspicion , and have a wide focus friend. Dont put all the eggs in one basket.

    • Bro. Nick

      @ Laura – Do you have a specific verse from “the word of God” that you can share with those who are truly interested in Biblical Prophecy?

      As chris M says ‘don’t be so focused on one place that you maybe miss something else.’

      Will your faith in “the Lord Jesus Christ” stand firm if what you said turns out not to be what “thus saith the Lord”?

      6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
      7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

      8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

      9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
      (1 Peter 5:6-9 – KJV)

      Satan is preparing and scheming to establish ‘the Harlot Church’ – with great cunning and deception. Who are his victims going to be – those that are ‘religious’, but deceived!
      Beware the doctrines and philosophies of men!!!

      The only defense is be soundly grounded in “the word of God”, and to have on ‘the whole armor of God’!
      Read, heed, believe, learn and trust “the Lord God Almighty”
      – Eph 6:10-20 –> 2 Cor 10:3-5 –> James 4:6-8

  • Matt Houston

    Wouldn’t it be nice if the apostate in the Vatican made up his mind! It’s straight out of Catch 22 – this is final, this is unchangeable, this is the eternal truth and will stay as such forever and ever and ever and ever, unless I change my mind.

    Bergolio is a joke.

    • Tony

      How do you know that he is a child killer and a child raper? Where is your evidence to support that?

      • chris M

        even if he hasn’t done it himself , he is complicit because he is part of the system that encourages it by not bringing the paedophiles to justice.
        It matters not whether he is a paedophile because there are many many more things that God will judge this blasphemer for when Jesus Christ returns and destroys Him with the breath of His mouth.
        This pope has a first class , window seat ticket to the hottest place in hell.

        • Mulz

          Do u think ur going to heaven with all these comments you have? How clean! As u also believed, men is saved by his own faith. We catholics have faith in God. We recognize that the pope is just human, if our faith has to be based in his then we are not worthy of salvation. We are glad he’s there to lead the church but as a modern Christian you dont let your faith be tainted by anybody.

          Just like you, you listen to your church leaders but does that necessarily mean that you follow everything that they do and say? U don’t, right? Because they are just like you. The pope is no different. That’s why we are created to be all rational beings. We have to be able to do things by our own and without the influence of others. That’s real faith! The faith that saves.

    • Tony

      Delora, where is your evidence that Luther was killed by the Jesuits? Luther died a natural death even though he was in very bad health towards the end of his life. You mentioned the Spanish Inquisition. What about it? Changing the Sabbath? The Scripture says that the Apostles met on the first day of the week(Sunday) Acts 20:7, Rev 1:10.

      • Steve

        these scriptures you post are not a defense for trying to change the sabbath day they couldve met on any day of the week ..but the Sabbath is the seventh day not Sunday.

        • Tony

          Sure but it is obvious, from both Sacred Scripture and Sacred tradition, that they met on the Lord’s Day in order to celebrate the Eucharist. They did this in honor of Our Lord’s Resurrection and we still do this today out of imitation of what they did 2000 yrs ago.

          • Bro. Nick

            @ Tony – did you know that ‘the Eucharist’ is a tradition?
            It is a term used by your church and a few others –
            – “Today, “the Eucharist” is the name still used by Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Catholics, Anglicans, Presbyterians, and Lutherans.”

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharist

            Fundamental Bible believing CHRISTians DO NOT BELIEVE in the literal eating of the flesh and the drinking of the blood or our eternally risen and living Lord “Jesus the Christ”.

  • catherine

    And he is so blatant about it! Nobody was there except me and The Lord the night HE forgave and restored. Nobody can take my testimony. Stand strong people who believe.

    • Tony

      Actually he was a former Augustinian friar. He did not infiltrate Protestantism but he founded it.

    • hkeit

      That is a lie. Martin Luther was never a Jesuit. If I am not mistaken Luther died before the Society of Jesus was formed.

    • Revelation 2:9

      Do you know he wrote a book titled The Jews and Their Lies.

    • catherine

      I read one of his horrible letters by accident on the Internet one night and you are correct.

    • Revelation 2:9

      Good!

    • Tony

      It’s just a falling away from Protestantism but not a falling away from Christianity.

      • Hope

        You could not be more wrong. The great falling away is from God, which includes from the true Church of Jesus Christ. That Church lives in the hearts of all true believers and binds us all together. There are true Christians inside and outside the church. We make such a mistake to determine that doctrines are what unite or divide us. It is who we believe in that matters. Doctrine comes out of that. Certainly there is true and false doctrine but belief in Christ and the guidance of his word and the Holy Spirit are what help us to know the real from the false where doctrine is concerned. The great falling away separates true committed believers from the wishy-washy “I’m a Christian because I grew up as one” or the “I’m a Christian because I got goodies from God” crowd. Each of us needs to confirm who we are in Christ and then pray that we will know how to stand when the day comes that we are challenged to do so.

        • Donna Conner

          Hope, I agree with you! God is not denominational. He wants us to personally serve and worship Him and build a relationship with Him. Matthew 15:9 ” They worship me in vain, teaching as doctrines , the commandments of Men.”

        • Bro. Nick

          @ Hope – Well said.
          Another group are those that have been told by some person that ‘you said ‘the sinners prayer’ sometime, someplace – and you’re saved’ – even there is no ‘fruit of the Holy Spirit’ or evidence of any change in that persons life.

          An old timey Bible believing ‘Bible thumping’, hell fire & brimstone, black Pastor down south said some years ago –

          – If ya’ is what ya’ was – ya’ anin’t!

          Bad English – but sound Biblical theology.
          Oh how my hearts desire is to find a true ‘man-of-God’, a truly God fearing Bible preaching Pastor like that!

          Me thinks in these ‘end-of-the-end times’ in which we are living – there is such Apathy and Apostasy that we are in ‘the days’:

          11 ¶ Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
          12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.
          13 In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.
          14 They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, The manner of Beer–sheba liveth; even they shall fall, and never rise up again.
          (Amos 8:11-14 – KJV)

      • Bro. Nick

        @ Tony

        – Are you personally judging all of us who are not Roman Catholic – that we are going to Hell for all eternity?

        – Could you please tell us what your personal definition of ‘christianity’ is?

        • Tony

          Bro.Nick wrote,

          “- Are you personally judging all of us who are not Roman Catholic – that we are going to Hell for all eternity?”

          No. I’m not judging you. Only God can condemn one to hell. I think that you have bits and pieces of the Gospel but you do not have the fullness of the Gospel Message. True Christianity is only to be found in the Catholic Church since it was Our Lord who founded her.

          ” – Could you please tell us what your personal definition of ‘christianity’ is?”

          Not sure where to begin on that one.

          • Deets

            You’re “not sure where to begin on that one” because you don’t have a Biblical understanding of Christianity. The followers of Jesus were first called Christians at Antioch, before the forming of tradition as the Catholic church. There are many Catholic people who do not know the Lord personally, and many Protestants the same. And there are many in both camps who do know Him as their personal Savior. The full Gospel message is that Jesus died for your own individual sins and rose from the dead so that if you, Tony, believes in him in your heart, then you will be saved. Period. Nothing can be added to that.

  • Melissa

    I’m sorry, but I’m not seeing where he is specifically stating the Roman Catholic church is the only way. He is saying “the church” and it just so happens that his religion prays through the virgin mary but there is nothing in that speech that says his religion is the only way. I think you guys are making stuff up just to get a reaction. I’m not sure that a safe thing to assume.
    We, as Christians, all know that we are not saved by our own accord and I’m not seeing where he says that no one is saved outside of the Roman Catholic Church. Please point that out in the above referenced??

    • Tony

      Melissa, although we can ask for the Blessed Mother for prayers, just like I can ask you for prayers, we believe that those saints take those prayers before Our Lord.

      • jkittyc

        Those saints like Mary are dead. They cannot do anything. I have never seen a dead person do anything at all. Have you? When a person dies, that’s it. They can’t do anything.
        Now if you believe a dead person can do something, after they are dead, prove it to me. Get my grandmother to sit up & talk to me again. I would love to talk to her again. Oh, yes, her soul is in heaven.

        • Donna Conner

          Talking and praying to the dead is considered Necromacy. Read about King Saul and how he used to talk to dead Samuel and even used a spiritist to bring him from his grave!

          • Tony

            It is necromancy if God is taken out of the equation. We ask for the saints to pray for us and they take those prayers to Our Lord just like if I asked you to pray for me.

        • Tony

          jkittyc wrote,

          “Those saints like Mary are dead.”

          Are you sure? Does not the Scripture state, ” He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living” Mark 12:27

          “They cannot do anything. I have never seen a dead person do anything at all. Have you?”

          I have asked for favors, from the saints, and they have come through for me.

          “Get my grandmother to sit up & talk to me again.”

          If you have faith then you can beseech our Lord to raise her from the dead.

      • Bro. Nick

        @ Tony – “The word of the LORD”, the Holy Bible says we are not to pray to the dead:

        17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
        18 But we will bless the LORD from this time forth and for evermore. Praise the LORD.
        (Ps 115:17 – KJV)

        ———————————————-

        The choice is very simple – believe what men say

        – – – – – OR – – – – –

        “Thus saith the LORD” – which is written 415 times in “the law”, the Holy Bible (KJV)

        ———————————————-

        “… The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.”
        (Luke 24:34 – KJV)

        5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
        6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
        (1 Tim 2:5 – KJV)

        • Francine

          The communion of saints (which is part of the Apostles Creed) and is believed by more denominations than Roman Catholics–believes that saints are present in heaven with the Lord and we can petition them to pray for us just like we ask our brothers and sisters in Christ here on earth to pray for us.

          • Bro. Nick

            @ Francine – Do you know that the Roman Catholic Church has subtly changed ‘The Apostles Creed’?

            Apostles’ Creed

            Christian Classics Ethereal Library @ http://www.ccel.org/creeds/apostles.creed.html

            1. I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:

            2. And in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord:

            3. Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary:

            4. Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried: He descended into hell:

            5. The third day he rose again from the dead:

            6. He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty:

            7. From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead:

            8. I believe in the Holy Ghost:

            9. I believe in the holy catholic church: the communion of saints:

            10. The forgiveness of sins:

            11. The resurrection of the body:

            12. And the life everlasting. Amen.

            =========================================================

            The Apostle’s Creed (Roman Catholic Version)

            Catholic Online @ http://www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=220

            I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord: Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary; suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried. He descended into hell; the third day He rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven, is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen.

            ————–
            The Roman Catholics capitalize –

            – ‘the holy catholic church’ – to – ‘the Holy Catholic Church’ –

            However The word “catholic” in the Apostles’ Creed refers not to the Roman Catholic Church, but to the universal church of the Lord Jesus Christ.

            ———–

            – ‘saints’ – to – ‘Saints’ – meaning only those that are canonized by the Roman Catholic are ‘Saints’!
            However in the Holy Bible (KJV) the words “saint” – “saints” – “saints'” are used 62 times – and they are NEVER capitalized.

            These are Roman Catholic Doctrine – and not Biblical!

    • tommy

      mel we all know that this Christ dude is a personal savor I have no idea where the pope gets his ideas, to go and live out you life in moral way.if you read my other posting I seen a sign in the clouds on the day mentioned and other thing I want talk about here,but here is a piece of food for you to look up about the rapture Isaiah 30:17,18.beacon..when can you seen beacon..think

      • Tony

        Tommy, He is not “Christ dude.” He is Our Lord and Savior.

        • tommy

          he’s a man just like you and I,and still on this planet,i know him personally.he’s not far away on some cloud or in the heaven you hear about but he is our savior thata a fact just like I might call you dude that ok.but il ask you this are you saved if so saved from what?

          • Bro. Nick

            @ Tommy – You said ‘he’s a man just like you and I,and still on this planet’

            “The Lord Jesus Christ” is the eternal living Son of “the living God” – I pray that you will give him the reverence that He alone is due!

            “The Lord Jesus Christ” asked the question:
            15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
            16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
            17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar–jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
            (Matt 16:15-17 – KJV)

            28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
            29 For our God is a consuming fire.
            (Heb 12:28-29 – KJV)

            9 He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.
            10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.
            (Ps 111:9-10 – KJV)

        • Amy Lewis

          Yes. And he deserves our reverence! He is not your buddy so don’t address Him as “Christ dude”.

    • Put it this way then. One does not pray to a human being as in the person of Mary mother of Jesus. Nor did she remain a virgin all of her life. The birth of Yeshua / Jesus was a virgin birth. He has 23 chromosomes from the line of David, and a single Y chromosome from the G-d of Abraham. It is not scriptural to pray to any human being, but it is the tradition of the catholic church I have left as I have come out of Babylon and keep Torah. There is One G-d, One law, and one people or church, and the pope is not it’s leader. The prophet to the nations ” he of the 144,000 ” holds the keys to heaven at this time. G-d will do nothing he has not first told to the prophets, and the denominations in confusion will not accept him. The very existence of separation by the denominations is against the will of G-d. It is evidence that people place their own opinions of what they think, above that of the plan of salvation.
      Those with the Holy spirit do place their own opinions as secondary to the leading of the Holy spirit.

    • chris M

      Melissa this has been the belief of the roman catholic church since day 1. This is why they killed the protestant reformers.

      You need to read this,
      That man up there may look all holy and be mouthing the word “peace” and seem like a nice man , but that is exactly how satan will deceive people….by looking religious.

      that man is a jesuit.
      To be a jesuit , he had to swear the jesuit oath. One look at this oath and you will see through this mans lies.
      I urge you to read this and see this man clearly , because he most definitely said these very words.

      http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-oath.html

      This is one quote from it.

      “I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants’ heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.”

      The pope , especially this pope , is NOT of God. God is LOVE , not murder !

      • Steve

        This is made up anti-Catholic propaganda. It was debunked several centuries ago as a fake.

        Let’s be real: you have no idea what is in Pope Francis’ heart, so don’t go acting like you do and judging him. Even the Pharisees were wise enough not to cast the first stone at the adulterous woman.

    • Ort

      State chapter and verse for that off the wall doctrine. If you claim it is somehow scriptural, your exegesis is horrible. Wow.

  • tommy

    so if i kill a zillion people and you live a moral life,beacuse I killed a zillion people you don’t get go to this heaven place where ever that is,first and always all these man made religion are all false,and this being saved jargin you here about is not what you think mark 3:28 sez all sin of man will be forgiven along with other things,when your baptized you’ve gone under the water,thats how this god is going to save the world,by the complete world going under the water from Isaiah 24:1,most of us wont live thru this event,but we’re saved already has we’ve been under the water already has the covenet of the rainbow is now broken on april 17 2012.but those that teach community salvation are in error and be abandon to the surface with this event happens.new heaven and new earth idea.

    • chris M

      even anton la vey , the founder of the satanic church , said on his deathbed ” oh my…oh my….what have i done ? there is something very very wrong”

      You may think its all rubbish now Tommy , but I assure you , when you are on your deathbed , you’ll think very differently. I know , because I’ve been there , and if it weren’t for God , i’d be dead.

      You have time. Please use it wisely friend =)

      Dont look at religion , or churches , or that christian hypocrite. Look at one thing….Jesus Christ. He is all you need.

    • Lynn, that was enough for the period of grace, but we are of the last generation and are to keep the law as well. Christ did not come to abolish the law. We are to keep it for a thousand generations. The Sabbath which is Saturday for example, is to be kept for eternity.

      • Bro. Nick

        @ david joseph m – “The Lord Jesus Christ” came to fulfill “the law” – He is the only one that can.

        1) It is impossible for you to keep –
        – ‘The Jewish People are enjoined to observe the 613 Divine commencement inscribed in the holy Torah, but with the destruction of the Beith HaMikdash and the dispersion of the Nation, observance of many of the mitzvaoth has become impossible.’

        http://www.milechai.com/judaism/613-laws-of-the-torah.html

        2) When do you say that ‘the period of grace’ ended?

        =======================================================

        1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
        (Eph 2:1-10 – KJV)

        As for me – how I thank “the LORD JEHOVAH” for His Wondrous Mercy and Grace in Saving my sin-blackened soul – by Grace through Faith.
        Thank you “Lord Jesus Christ” by your completed sacrifice upon the cross at Calvary!!!

        • @Bro. Nick: I think this David character is the same deluded guy I’m in a never ending email battle with. He said the exact same words as above as a recent email chat. Anyway, check out my reply to him here regarding the obsolete OT ‘law’ topic 😉

          P.S. The church is under Gods grace canopy until resurrection hour 🙂

      • “Christ did not come to abolish the law. We are to keep it for a thousand generations. The Sabbath which is Saturday for example, is to be kept for eternity.”

        @David: Since when according to NT scripture below? 😉

        Luk 16:16 KJV – The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

        Jhn 1:17 KJV – For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

        Act 13:39 KJV – And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

        Rom 7:6 KJV – But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

        Rom 10:4-5 KJV – For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

        Rom 13:8, 10 KJV – Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. … Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

        Gal 4:4-5 KJV – But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

        Gal 5:3-4 KJV – For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

        Gal 5:14, 18, 23 KJV – For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. … But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. … Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

        Eph 2:15 KJV – Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

        1Ti 1:9 KJV – Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

        Heb 7:12, 16, 19 KJV – For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. … Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. … For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

        Jas 2:8-12 KJV – If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

        Jas 4:11 KJV – Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

        1Jo 3:4 KJV – Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

        P.S. As clearly biblically stated above, Christians today are no longer bound by the OT law period 🙂

    • Tony

      Lynn Lopez wrote,

      “There are lots of false churches, false creeds, and even the devil believes in God.”

      That is true.

      “All you have to do is receive Jesus as your Savior, fully accepting His death as the sufficient sacrifice for your sins (John 3:16), fully trusting Him alone as your Savior (John 14:6; Acts 4:12)”

      That is partly true but there is more to it than that. We believe that we have been saved, are being saved, and will be saved. Here are the verses that back up Catholic teaching,

      I Have Been Saved (past event)

      Rom. 8:24 – for in this hope we were saved (but, again, why “hope” if salvation is a certainty?)

      Eph. 2:5,8 – for by grace you have been saved through faith.

      2 Tim. 1:9 – He saved us and called us through grace and not by virtue of our own works outside of His grace.

      Titus 3:5 – He saved us in virtue of His own mercy, and not by our deeds.

      I Am Being Saved (present event)

      1 Cor. 1:18 – for the word of the cross is folly to those perishing, but for to us who are being saved, it is the power of God. Salvation is not a one-time event. It is a process of perseverance through faith, hope and love.

      2 Cor. 2:15 – for we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved. Salvation is a continual process.

      Phil. 2:12 – we are working out our salvation through fear and trembling. Salvation is an ongoing process.

      1 Peter 1:9 – you obtain the salvation of your souls as the outcome of your faith. Working out our salvation in fear and trembling is a lifelong process.

      I Will Be Saved (future event)

      Matt. 10:22, 24:13; Mark 13:13 – again, Jesus taught that we must endure to the very end to be saved. Salvation is a past, present and future event (not a one-time event at an altar call).

      Mark 16:16 – Jesus says whoever believes and is baptized will be saved.

      Acts 15:11 – we believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus.

      Rom. 5:9-10 – since we are justified by His blood, we shall be saved.

      Rom. 13:11 – salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed. How can we be only nearer to something we already have?

      1 Cor. 3:15 – he will be saved, but only as through fire.

      1 Cor. 5:5 – Paul commands the Church to deliver a man to satan, that he will be saved in the day of the Lord.

      2 Tim. 2:11-12 – if we endure, we shall also reign with Him. This requires endurance until the end of our lives.

      Heb. 9:28 – Jesus will appear a second time to save those who are eagerly waiting for Him.

      James 5:15 – the sacrament of the sick will save the sick man and the Lord will raise him up.

      “Becoming a Christian is not all about rituals, going to church, or doing certain things while refraining from other things.”

      Are you saying that rituals, going to church, and abstaining from certain things are not important?

      • Donna Conner

        1 Timothy 4

        New International Version (NIV)

        4 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

        • chris M

          spot on Sister ! Preach it =)

        • Bro. Nick

          @ Donna – Amen to the always perfect and Holy Word of “the Living God”!!!

        • Steve

          If you look at history, the verse clearly points to Protestant beliefs. I challenge you to look at the early Church Fathers from approximately 80-300 AD. They all hold the same beliefs as the Catholic Church. They’re all there – the writings of Polycarp (disciple of John), Ignatius of Antioch (disciple of John), Irenaeus, Clement, etc.

          Cardinal Henry Newman even wrote a book to disprove the Catholic Church in the 1800s and examined Catholic beliefs in the 1800s vs the 1700s. He did this in each succeeding century and found that they were never made up, but had existed since the beginning of the writings.

      • Teresa

        @Tony, If my future of being saved is not my present condition, how will I know if my faith and obedience to the Lord will be enough assurance and security to the end? How will I know by scripture that I have done enough? If by some chance I have lived a life unto the Lord and I get in a condition of neglect and I die where will I spend eternity? I am very serious about this most important teaching. You seem to be an apologist for the RCC. My daughter and family attend RCC and children in RCC school. IF the priest is not present for sacraments when one dies where will the person go? I speak to my grandchildren often of the spiritual world of God and I can not tell them they must have any fleshly man to save them through any other than the priest King Jesus. He stated “it is finished” paid for in full, all my sin, past, present and future upon my acceptance of His one time sacrifice.

        • Tony

          Teresa wrote,

          “@Tony, If my future of being saved is not my present condition, how will I know if my faith and obedience to the Lord will be enough assurance and security to the end?”

          You will never know if it will be enough. I say this because we are not saved by anything that we do. We are saved by the grace of God(Eph. 2:8). We are justified by faith(Rom.5:1) and good works(James 2:24). Our faith and good works have to work in cooperation with the saving grace of God. Is there a quantity regarding how much we believe or how many good works we do? No but we must do all things for the love of the Lord(Gal. 5:6)

          “If by some chance I have lived a life unto the Lord and I get in a condition of neglect and I die where will I spend eternity?”

          It depends on what you mean by “neglect.” If you mean that one day you wake up and decide to live a life of mortal sin and you die unrepentant then you will go to hell. If by “neglect” you mean that your health condition deteriorates and you cannot go to church then that is no fault of your own. If you need more clarification then I would be happy to give you more.

          “I am very serious about this most important teaching. You seem to be an apologist for the RCC. My daughter and family attend RCC and children in RCC school”

          May God bless you and them.

          “IF the priest is not present for sacraments when one dies where will the person go?”

          It depends on the state of one’s soul at the time of death. If a priest is not present then that is not the fault of the individual. A good rule of thumb to remember is that Our Lord works through the Sacraments but He is not bound by them. Does that mean that we can ignore the Sacraments? No, by no means. Our Lord bestows huge/heaping amounts of grace through the Sacraments but He is also merciful enough to save a soul if a priest is not present to give the Last Rites.

          “I speak to my grandchildren often of the spiritual world of God and I can not tell them they must have any fleshly man to save them through any other than the priest King Jesus.”

          It is a very honorable thing to do to speak to your grandchild about the things of God. I wish more parents/grandparents would do that. You can rest assured that Catholics believe that grace and salvation come from Our Lord and King, Jesus Christ and Him alone. Salvation and grace find their source in, with, and through Him.

          “He stated “it is finished” paid for in full, all my sin, past, present and future upon my acceptance of His one time sacrifice.”

          Yes. His part is finished. Out of loving obedience to His Father He paid the price for our salvation. He did His part but we must do our part by taking up our cross and following Him daily(Matt. 16:24). Will we stumble and fall into sin and fall out of saving grace? Yes but we have to remember that His mercy endures forever and that He is always ready to take us back in just like the father did in the parable of the Prodigal Son.

          If you have any other questions please feel free to ask.
          God Bless

          • Mike

            Thank you. These so called Christians and their selective beliefs. They are fools who think themselves saved. They are are on the way to destruction. They are like the man who walks into a garage and then says he is an automobile. They are NOT Christians. Christ knows them NOT. They do not believe that they are to “work out their salvation with fear & trembling”. Phillipians 2:12. They are lost.

        • Steve

          Teresa, just to clarify, “it is finished” does not mean what you have been taught. Jesus is referring to the finishing of the Passover meal in which He is the Lamb. Right before this, he said “I thirst”, not because he was just then thirsty, but to fulfill the prophecy and drink the “Fourth Cup” of the Passover. Jesus’ redemption was not finished on the cross: He is still giving salvation to this day.

          As for your possible entrance into the Catholic Church, I send you prayers. I have been a Catholic my whole life and during college greatly questioned it and encountered Jesus Christ personally during this time and it changed my life. Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist – there are many miracles even baffling scientists in the Catholic Church.

    • carrierwave

      God bless you my friend. Most 501c3 beast-run churches don’t believe in GRACE salvation anymore. They have all tampered with the Gospel and have added dead works and are teaching ANOTHER GOSPEL. Gal.1:6-9 JESUS PLUS NOTHING!

    • Tony

      “When we journey without the Cross, when we build without the Cross, when we profess Christ without the Cross, we are not disciples of the Lord, we are worldly: we may be bishops, priests, cardinals, popes, but not disciples of the Lord.” (Pope Francis, Homily, Missa Pro Ecclesia, March 14, 2013)

      Do you think that he was lying when he said that?

    • Petrus Romanus is not the anti Christ….G-d is against Gog & Magog. This means the anti Christ is Putin. Rosh is Russia.

    • tommy

      isaiah 24:1 will be when the rapture happens,no sooner,no later

  • tommy

    I think I say something..sez man came out of the earth,what doesn’t that mean?i was born by normal manner not out of dirt so what part of me came out of the earth?soul maybe,yeah that right,so if my soul was forged in the earth where would this god dude live?yeah that’s right god is the life giving force of our planet,and when this body dies where does it say we go?heaven..yeah thats right,althou its far out thinking you’re really just energy orb inside a fleshy body.i know you’ve heard of these orb’s just like the one over the temple mount in 09,didja see it take off like a bullet,where did it go?yeah that right I went back to the presents of this god energy that lives within the earth.so when Christ died and was resrected he still alive as a man today and where do you think he’s lives?il let you figure that out.

    • chris M

      God is a Spirit Tommy.

      We are 3 parts according to the bible. spirit , soul and body. When you are born again , your spirit is reborn , and your spirit becomes one spirit with the Holy Spirit of Christ. The bible says ” He that is joined to the LOrd is one spirit with Him ”

      The body stays the same. The soul stays the same. We must teach our soul and body the truth , that the spirit is a new creation and all things are new , by letting Gods word change us within.

  • extra Ecclesiam nulla salus (“outside the Church there is no salvation”) is not new, this was penned around 248 AD by Thascius Caecilius Cyprianus. The Roman Catholic Church latched on to this and in the second Vatican council it was determined that “The Church” mentioned by Cyprianus was not the body of Christ but actually the Roman Catholic Church. Don’t forget, this ‘church’ is led by the pope who has the superpower of infallibility because a bunch of Italians voted him that power in the 19th century.

    • boocat

      What are you talking about? What do you mean? It would have been nice if you had actually told us what you are talking about.

  • A Reformed Baptist

    Martin Luther a former Jezuit? Bhwahahahah.
    You guys are bunch of ignoramnus

  • Hope

    It is difficult to be a true believer in Christ in the context of any church right now. The compromise is great and the ability to hold on to truth in the midst of lies is difficult. The Roman Catholic church has always been exclusive but that doesn’t mean they had any authority for the position they held. It was never a place for unity under the headship of Jesus. The Pope and Mary always stood in between. The irony, though, is that all of these Chrislam, Emergent, Reformed, etc. all-embracing churches are actually just using open arms to suck in potential acolytes to their distorted beliefs. This Pope is one of them. The difference is that he has the full force of the Catholic Church behind him and intends to be the voice of the distorted gospel to a lost and dying world. All of the other distorted gospel preachers are flocking to him and will sit in some way under his banner, opportunistically using his power to enhance their own. They will make pretense of embracing the whole world but in reality will only be trying to expand their own kingdoms while preaching a gospel of their own making. I am willing to declare that this Pope has all of the earmarks of the False Prophet and the timing is certainly right for him to appear on the scene.

    • Stephen

      You feel free because you can do whatever you want without a religion. Jesus said of the Pharisees, “So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example.” Jesus was religious and he followed all the customs of the law and even said “Not one iota of the law shall pass away”. Jesus established the “Eucharist” in John 19 when he said “it is finished”. Jesus was the Passover lamb and he asked his disciples to “do this in memory of me”. He commanded them to do this ritual act over and over. Is that not religion?

      • Listener

        You wrote —

        “Jesus was religious and he followed ALL the customs of the law and even said “Not one iota of the law shall pass away”.

        Jesus followed ALL the customs of the law — TRUE!

        Then why did the Roman church COMPLETELY REMOVE the 2nd Commandment ??

        (A commandment that God wrote with His own finger!)

        Jesus didn’t make graven images and bow Himself down to them!

        Why does the Roman church make a graven image of Mary (mother of God -cough!) and then put a crown on top of it/her?

        Because the Roman church ‘Mary’ is actually the ‘Queen of Heaven’
        Semirimis from Babylon!

        Historical fact! — a FACT that is twisted by the Roman church.

        • Steve

          1. The Church didn’t “remove the 2nd commandment”. There are actually 14 commandments, and Catholics group them differently. Jews, Protestants, and Catholics all group them differently. This is a ridiculous and unfactual claim.

          2. Early in its history, Israel was forbidden to make any depictions of God because he had not revealed himself in a visible form. However, God did tell them to make statues from time to time (Ex. 25:18–20, 1 Chr. 28:18–19, Ezekiel 41:17–18, Num. 21:8–9, etc.). Before people were literate in Christian times, art was used to teach people. You are claiming art and paintings are idolatry as well.

          Catholics use statues, paintings, and other artistic devices to recall the person or thing depicted. Just as it helps to remember one’s mother by looking at her photograph, so it helps to recall the example of the saints by looking at pictures of them. God forbids the worship of images as gods, but he doesn’t ban the making of images. If he had, religious movies, videos, photographs, paintings, and all similar things would be banned. But, as the case of the bronze serpent (Num 21:8-9) shows, God does not even forbid the ritual use of religious images.

          3. There is a crown on Mary because she has appeared with a crown to people before and because she is the Queen of Heaven. Revelation 12:1 talks of a woman, “with a moon under her feet and crown of stars…” as she is often depicted. Only a queen has a crown. The end of Revelation 11 talks about the Ark of the Covenant and suddenly stops, but one must realize there were no chapters or verses until the 1500s. John did not suddenly stop talking about the Ark of the Covenant, which can clearly be seen as Mary in unmistakable references Luke makes in 1:39-45 and 2 Samuel 6. In Revelation 12, Mary gives birth to the King: Jesus. Just as in the Davidic kingdoms, the king’s mother is always the “queen mother”. Bathsheba was David’s mother and queen.

          4. Your historical “fact” fails as the queen mother position of Israel (late 900s BC) was before Semiramis of Babylon (early 800s BC). If Jesus is our Father, it is quite logical to conclude we would have a Mother as well. In John 19:26-27, Jesus makes this a reality and tells John Mary is now His mother, even though John’s Mother is standing right by Mary already. Mary is our spiritual mother, just as God is our spiritual Father (Call no man on earth your father…). Mary needed God’s salvation just like we all do, but she was set apart (the new Eve).

          God Bless You!

    • tommy

      KJ yeah man doesn’t deside nothing,remember when jesus was scared about his death?and said father if it thy your will to let this cup pass from me,never the less thy will be done,yeah you bet he was scared has he was just a man like you and I and upon his death this heaven and earth thing was turned over to him on the third day and that curtain was torn into,separation of god(Christ)and man is no longer.we don’t need a middle man to talk to god.(modern religion ideas)also mark 3:28

  • Satan has his man picked out for the time of Tribulation. Rev,20:4.
    It has been said with Pictures. Obama has Ordered and received 30’000
    Guillotines to go with the many thousand FEMA plastic coffins that will
    hold as many as 3 to 4 useless eaters they do not want in the NWO.
    When they start going from door to door with the Martial law and the
    Global rule of Law after the Guns. They will be using the coffins before
    the Guillotines. They will be ready in the Trib. Time Rev. 20:4. Yes we
    are that close now.!!! Think about it. It has to be set up before it can be used. ok?? If people knew the History of the evils plan, they would get into the Word of God, What went around is coming around again.
    Jesus said I have told you all things. It shall come to pass. It has to be set up before it can be used. what is going on in WDC is among the last that needs to be set up for the New World Order. FEMA is working for the Conspiracy with our Tax money setting up the USA for the taking.
    This false Preacher could very will be the last Pope of Pagan Rome.!!!
    It has to be set up to be used. OK?? Roy C.H. USA

    • boocat

      Don’t forget to take your meds. There are no dang guillotines!! But Pope Francis is Satanic.

  • Bob Cat. You will be going to the Dogs, You are not well informed.
    Cats can see them in the dark, You may see them at the Single Market.
    You will learn the hard way if you learn at all. OK !!
    Roy C.H. USA

  • Dan

    People if you are blind enough to think there is anything worthy of the Vatican then your lost. There is no need to call the pope the antichrist that is not why I am here. But, to stay with a faith that is covered with the sins of men who knowingly and lustfully took advantage of small children. You are truly without hope. You my brother and sisters of the catholic faith are not guilty , but G-d has shown you the truth and you must realize it.

  • this article best served to roman catholics only as an eye-opener. other faiths already know their true colors, & what they are destined to do.

    • Ort

      The pre trib rapture is very scriptural.

    • Ort

      RichardJones: what you should be doing is correcting Mar who thinks that Mary is on the same level as God, can hear prayers, is omnipotent, and is also a mediator beside Christ.

      This is in direct violation of scripture, which states “there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.” 1 Timothy 2:5.

      I cannot believe you overlooked this blasphemous apostasy.

    • Well said my blessed sister! Amen, Halleluyah you are living proof that praise abides for Yahweh on earth. The power of these truths are multidimensional realities that come from eternity and paradise. See you soon! Sonne

  • chris M

    I was born again by the incorruptible seed of the Word of the Almighty God.
    I care not what this pagan idolatrous heathen abomination says. Gods word says I am saved by grace , through faith , and that I am seated in heavenly places right now , In Christ.

    I do NOT need the harlots blessing , and I will never be a part of her blasphemies or her idolatry , or her murder.

    In Gods eyes , I am as white as snow…110% righteous , through the Lord Jesus Christ….while the pope and the vatican system is covered in blood , and drunk with the wine of the blood of 66 million saints.

    How dare this pagan tell me i’m not saved. Jesus Christ will destroy this pagan imposter.

    • Bro. Nick

      If you read what “the word of the LORD”, “the word of God”, “the law”, the Holy Bible actually says about “Lucifer”.
      I will not sing or listen to songs glorifying him and his devils!

      12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
      13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
      14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
      15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
      (Is 14:12-15 – KJV)

      14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
      15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
      (2 Cor 11:14-15 – KJV)

      ———————————-

      – Lucifer – aka Satan – aka the Devil is the one who seeks to destroy the souls of men!

      ‘Bearer of Light, or Light-Bearer, is not a new expression, but rather a very old title. In fact, it is a literal translation of the name Lucifer.

      ‘In Occult circles, this fact is a truism: Lucifer is the Light-Bearer, and the Light-Bearer is Lucifer. How could it be otherwise? It is simply a translation of his name. For example, the Grand Commander and architect of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, Albert Pike, paraphrases Freemason and Magus Eliphas Lévi, writing, “LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light…? Doubt it not!” The doctrine was also proclaimed by Madame Blavatsky, founder of the Occult Theosophical Society, who blamed the Catholic Church for illogically calling Lucifer, the Light-Bearer, a Spirit of Darkness: “…the Church, in her struggle with Manicheeism, invented the devil, and by placing a theological extinguisher on the radiant star-god, Lucifer, the “Son of the Morning,” thus created the most gigantic of all her paradoxes–a black and tenebrous light…” Elsewhere she writes that “Lucifer is divine and terrestrial light, the “Holy Ghost” and “Satan,” at one and the same time…” She concludes that “Lucifer, or “Light-Bearer,” is in us…” A consistent Occultist who worshipped Satan, Blavatsky taught “that the Logos and Satan are one.” Likewise Satanist Aleister Crowley, once head of the ruling body of Esoteric Freemasonry known as the Ordo Templi Orientis, also writes that “‘Lucifer’…is not the enemy of Man, but He who made Gods of our race, knowing Good and Evil; He bade ‘Know Thyself!’ and taught Initiation. He is “The Devil”…his letter is ayin, the Eye, so that he is Light…’

      Quote from ‘Medjugorje and the Light-Bearer’ by Craig L. Heimbichner

      http://www.unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/Medjugorje%20and%20the%20Light.html

  • Ron Murphy

    Part 3
    REVELATION 17, Verses 7-9

    (7) Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

    That is a good question, why did John marvel? I believe John knew who she was. And all the blood shed because of her, made him marvel at her. It is because of her, that brought on the blood shed, because satan hates anything that belongs to God. Even the ten horns on the beast hate this woman, Rev 17:16, can you figure why? Did Romans hate Rome? They loved it. Do the English hate London? That is their pride. What do the Muslims hate? If you say they are the backbone of the beast kingdom, more than anything, they hate Jerusalem, because of her ties with Jewish and Christian beliefs.

    (8) Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

    Many say the beast is a revived kingdom. But would we even recognize a revived kingdom? What is amiss here is the fact the world will wonder after the beast because it could come back, not because it did. If the Roman Empire rose again, would it make the world worship it? I don’t think that would be enough to substantiate the worship. If a man dies and comes back to life, it would make the world wonder, and it would make them worship him, especially if his appearance and countenance are great and his speech was great, Hitler as an example, Daniel 7:20-22, Dan 8:23 Remember, this man has been picked to be the Jewish messiah. He will consider himself, and others will consider him to be God, all because he was able to come back from the dead, Daniel 11:36.

    Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

    Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

    (9) Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

    Two major cities of the world, in John’s day, are built on 7 hills, Roman and Jerusalem. Jerusalem hills are made naturally, Rome hills are man made.
    Part 4 coming soon.

    • Brenda Murphy

      Amen!

  • iamberean

    That is the catholic doctrine and show us in the bible to claim your statement.

    • Ruach

      @ Rosa Lopes

      You need to read, in Jeremiah below, what YHVH thinks about the “Queen of Heaven”.

      HE makes it VERY CLEAR.

      You’ve been taught that the Queen of Heaven is Mary, the mother of the Savior.

      The (Roman catholic “Mary”) Queen of Heaven is Semiramis of Babylon!… who was worshipped as a goddess.

      The RCC is PURE BABYLONIAN! … of course, you’ll have to read/understand some religious history to fully understand it.

      But one thing is for sure … you only have to read Jeremiah to see that the Queen of Heaven is not Mary – the mother of the Savior!

      Read it all… and discover some TRUTH !

      Pay special attention to the punishment YHVH dishes out to them for worshipping her … they died through war, famine, pestilence,… and the remnant went into Babylonian captivity for 70 years.

      Jeremiah 7

      The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the

      women knead their dough, to make cakes to the QUEEN OF HEAVEN, and to

      pour out drink offerings unto OTHER GODS, that they may PROVOKE ME TO

      ANGER.

      Jeremiah 44

      3 Because of their wickedness which they have committed to provoke me to anger, in that they went to burn incense, and to serve other gods, whom they knew not, neither they, ye, nor your fathers.

      4 Howbeit I sent unto you all my servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, OH, DO NOT DO THIS ABOMINABLE THING I HATE.

      5 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear to turn from their wickedness, to burn no incense unto other gods.

      6 Wherefore my FURY and mine ANGER was poured forth, and was kindled in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem; and they are wasted and desolate, as at this day.

      7 Therefore now thus saith the Lord, the God of hosts, the God of Israel; Wherefore commit ye this great evil against your souls, to cut off from you man and woman, child and suckling, out of Judah, to leave you none to remain;

      8 In that ye provoke me unto wrath with the works of your hands, burning incense unto other gods in the land of Egypt, whither ye be gone to dwell, that ye might cut yourselves off, and that ye might be a curse and a reproach among all the nations of the earth?

      9 Have ye forgotten the wickedness of your fathers, and the wickedness of the kings of Judah, and the wickedness of their wives, and your own wickedness, and the wickedness of your wives, which they have committed in the land of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem?

      10 They are not humbled even unto this day, neither have they feared, nor walked in my law, nor in my statutes, that I set before you and before your fathers.

      11 Therefore thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will set my face against you for evil, and to cut off all Judah.

      12 And I will take the remnant of Judah, that have set their faces to go into the land of Egypt to sojourn there, and they shall all be consumed, and fall in the land of Egypt; they shall even be consumed by the sword and by the famine: they shall die, from the least even unto the greatest, by the sword and by the famine: and they shall be an execration, and an astonishment, and a curse, and a reproach.

      13 For I will punish them that dwell in the land of Egypt, as I have punished Jerusalem, by the sword, by the famine, and by the pestilence:

      14 So that none of the remnant of Judah, which are gone into the land of Egypt to sojourn there, shall escape or remain, that they should return into the land of Judah, to the which they have a desire to return to dwell there: for none shall return but such as shall escape.

      15 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,

      16 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee.

      17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the QUEEN OF HEAVEN, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

      18 But since we left off to burn incense to the QUEEN OF HEAVEN, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.

      19 And when we burned incense to the QUEEN OF HEAVEN, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

      20 Then Jeremiah said unto all the people, to the men, and to the women, and to all the people which had given him that answer, saying,

      21 The incense that ye burned in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, ye, and your fathers, your kings, and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the Lord remember them, and came it not into his mind?

      22 So that the Lord could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, and because of the abominations which ye have committed; therefore is your land a desolation, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at this day.

      23 Because ye have burned incense, and because ye have sinned against the Lord, and have not obeyed the voice of the Lord, nor walked in his law, nor in his statutes, nor in his testimonies; therefore this evil is happened unto you, as at this day.

      24 Moreover Jeremiah said unto all the people, and to all the women, Hear the word of the Lord, all Judah that are in the land of Egypt:

      25 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the QUEEN OF HEAVEN, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows.

      26 Therefore hear ye the word of the Lord, all Judah that dwell in the land of Egypt; Behold, I have sworn by my great name, saith the Lord, that my name shall no more be named in the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, The Lord God liveth.

      27 Behold, I will watch over them for evil, and not for good: and all the men of Judah that are in the land of Egypt shall be consumed by the sword and by the famine, until there be an end of them.

      28 Yet a small number that escape the sword shall return out of the land of Egypt into the land of Judah, and all the remnant of Judah, that are gone into the land of Egypt to sojourn there, shall know whose words shall stand, mine, or their’s.

      29 And this shall be a sign unto you, saith the Lord, that I will punish you in this place, that ye may know that my words shall surely stand against you for evil:

      • Ort

        Yes!! Also, all the pictures of Mary holding the Christ child are EXACT replicas of the pagan Semiramis holding her son, Tammuz. If anyone doubts, look it up!
        The RCC is based on Babylon. Period.

    • Ort

      Pure apostasy, Rosa Lopes.

  • Ron Murphy

    In B.C. 175 Antiochus Epiphanes fulfilled the prophesies of Daniel, the abomination of desolation, to throw us off track. He was a puppet for satan, to deceive the world into believing it had already happened, but it back fired on him when Jesus came pronouncing that it was yet to come in the last days. The pope is another decoy of satan’s to deceive people into looking off coarse from the real truth. No where does the Bible say the woman(harlot), is a church or religion. This was taught by man and has caught on by the masses of protestants. The truth is we don’t know who he will be yet, but we have clues to where he’s coming from and where he will reign from.

  • Ron Murphy

    Part 4
    Revelation 17, verses 10-14

    (10) Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

    These 5 kings are major empires that had control of Jerusalem in ancient times, the one that is, was in John’s day, that being Rome, making it the 6th. The one to follow, not yet come, is the antichrist, soon to go into perdition.

    (11) Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

    To go into perdition, the antichrist will receive a mortal wound to the head. This wound will happen after he has been in power for 3 1/2 years. It is in the middle of the week, the period of the 7 year covenant with Jerusalem( Israel), that he causes the oblation to cease.

    Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    This oblation being ceased, is what starts the great tribulation period, according to Jesus in Matthew 24.

    Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
    Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

    Take note, the verses in between verses 15 & 21 explain the flight of such persecution, but these two verses are the key ones, telling us of the timing.

    Jesus tells us at this time of the obligation ceasing and the abomination occurs, that Jerusalem, will be compassed about with armies. Daniel and Revelation, also confirms this saying from Luke 21.

    Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

    Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

    Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

    If Jesus told us that the tribulation happens at the abomination of desolation, as he did in Matthew 24:15 & 21, and that is when Jerusalem is tread underfoot, then it is clear to understand the tribulation is for 42 months, not 7 years, according to Revelation 11:2 (above) & Revelation 13:5.

    Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
    Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

    • Dan

      By any chance Titus did you realize the significance of the fire and wilderness ? John who was in the wilderness is the one that said “the one coming after me will baptize you with fire” meaning the holy spirit. So your dream was salvation through the holy spirit which resides in all believers. Just as you come from OJO Titus you now in the same way come from the lineage of the messiah. Every christian does my friend.

  • True Grit

    He’s trippin’. Of all the different cultures throughout the world, his claim of the only path of salvation is through his god. Having withheld any evidence of his existence, this god will then punish those who doubt him with an eternity of burning in hell. I don’t have to kill, I don’t have to steal, I don’t even have to litter. All I have to do is harbor an honest, reasonable and rational disbelieve in the Christian/Catholic god and he will inflict a grotesque penalty on me a billion times worse than the death penalty – and he loves me.

    The difference between faith and insanity is that faith is the ability to hold firmly to a conclusion that is incompatible with the evidence… Whereas insanity is the ability to hold firmly to a conclusion that is incompatible with the evidence.

    • Dan

      True Grit forget the book. What about the man and the 12 that continued this delusion . Everyone one of them martyred and some in incredibly wicked ways were killed because they refused to simply forget this man who they knew to be the messiah. Why do you suppose these men did that. And the Christians that were forced in public arenas only to be killed by the 1000’s for sport; and I could go on. Why has this small following become the largest group of believers in the world? And finally why are people like you able to come out now without fear of pubic ridicule for saying there is no G-d. It’s because you are part of the falling away . Every time someone like you comes here to tell me there is no G-d just know that your only fulfilling prophesy. Know that your eyes are closed for a reason True Grit, and if your happy to return to dust then I’m happy for you because on that you are right!

      • Ron Murphy

        Dan, you tube Jason & Tracy, and Steve Anderson, comment section.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW4E83N8pog&feature=player_embedded

        • Ron Murphy
          • Dan

            Ron Why is the Church mentioned being on earth 19 times in the first 3 chapters of revelation , and isn’t mentioned 1 time as being on earth from chapters 4 through 19. And regarding Jason and Traci youtube. He states that the prophesy of Israel returning hasn’t happened yet(What)! What I can say Ron is with me when we are raptured is not a concern because when it happens we will know. Either way it doesn’t affect my salvation. But, take a look at what I’m talking about with the church being mentioned then during the worst time of judgment the church is not mentioned at all. That is something I would ask Steve Anderson to explain. It wouldn’t bother me at all to change my mind if I thought post trib is a better argument. It doesn’t scare me to go through any of it. In fact call me crazy but living through and actually witnessing the tribulation is something I have looked forward to my entire life. To finally end this craziness and be changed so to begin eternity with Christ is all I’ve ever wanted to do.

          • Ron Murphy

            Dan, the answer is quite obvious if you look at it logically. Those Churches were here on earth at the time of John living on Patmos. He established them, that is why God sent the messages to only them and not the churches in Greece and throughout the Middle East, I know people have come up with this church age bid, but it’s a bunch of manmade larky. It just isn’t so, it’s something just to cause confusion. Dan when a foreman comes into the workers, he instructs them what he wants done and then he’s got his own work to do. If we look at Revelation 4:1

            Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

            Dan, Jesus was done taking to the Churches with rebukes and exhortations, it was time to get down to business with the more serious prophesies. What Jesus is about to reveal to John was the last 7 years, before his marvelous return to earth. These are all written in the seals, the end time period in it’s entirety, all the way up until Jesus takes the throne, which can be witnessed in the 7th trumpet, the end of the last seal, Rev. 11:15.

            Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

            Dan, at this point it’s all over, the book of seals are over. The other visions after this are referring back to this time of the seals, or it goes into the millennium and beyond in later chapters.

            The churches in Asia were going through much tribulation(persecution), and many were dying daily. That is why they where given these promises of reigning with Christ, in these early chapters of Revelation. John himself was witness to that=

            Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

            Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

            Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

            Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

          • Dan

            @Ron this is in response to 7/2/14
            Is that what think Ron? Christ was done talking to the church, so that’s the reason the church is not mentioned.
            Logic would mention his beloved bride as she endures the tribulation my friend. That’s logical. The very idea that the church is not mentioned is suspect. But, as I’ve stated before “the fact that it is happening will be both scary and exciting”. I would think our conversation concerning the next Jewish temple would be more relevant. It’s like we’re putting the cart before the horse. At least we’re about to actually see that happen!

    • Tony

      Sue, I have to respectfully disagree with you on some of the points that you made but I just wanted to make one comment. If Our Lord Jesus is Who says He is and if He established a Church and if He promised to be with that same Church then would not that same Church still be here today and could you not trace that same Church back to the Apostles? Just a thought. God Bless.

    • Ron Murphy

      Praying to Mary is not being faithful to God, it is having another god besides him. Jesus on the other hand is God, and came from his loins, Mary did not. Nowhere does Mary say, I and the father are one, but Jesus sure did! He was God, St. John chapter 1. Mary was blessed, yes, but only so Christ could be born, never as a deity. It is an abomination. Abominations will could you to go to hell.

      • Ron Murphy

        type O: could = cause

      • Tony

        Ron Murphey wrote,

        “Praying to Mary is not being faithful to God, it is having another god besides him”

        1. You will have to show, from authentic Catholic sources, where we believe that the Blessed Mother is a god.

        2. We ask the blessed Mother for prayers just as I would ask you for prayers.

        “Jesus on the other hand is God, and came from his loins, Mary did not.”

        But did He not take His human flesh from the Blessed Mother? Is he not fully human and fully divine?

        “Nowhere does Mary say, I and the father are one, but Jesus sure did!”

        Strawman argument.

        • Ron Murphy

          So you want me to use catholic views to prove my points, LOL. That’s like saying I’m a satanist and you must use satanist views to prove your points. You pray to Mary don’t you? Do you know she sleeps in the grave and can not here you. If you seek any other means to acknowledgement from any source other than God you are in violation to God’s first commandment. Mary was not meant to be called on, the early church did not ask that it be done. but the mother of Nimrod, known by many names was called upon as the mother of the heavens as they worshipped and invented the Zodiac. It is her that your precious Catholics imparted to believers, as satan deceived the masses into turning the faith of many to his calling. Why don’t you ask John the Baptist for help? Jesus said no greater is than he, born of woman. Even that would be an abomination. But at least he is in heaven and not the grave.

          • Tony

            Ron Murphy wrote,

            “So you want me to use catholic views to prove my points, LOL.”

            I want you to use authentic Catholic sources to prove your views.

            “You pray to Mary don’t you?”

            I ask her to pray for me.

            “Do you know she sleeps in the grave and can not here you.”

            No. I believe that she was assumed into Heaven.

            “If you seek any other means to acknowledgement from any source other than God you are in violation to God’s first commandment.”

            Could you show me the verse that states that?

            “Mary was not meant to be called on, the early church did not ask that it be done.”

            Yes it did.

            “Why don’t you ask John the Baptist for help?”

            I did a few weeks ago. I asked him to pray for me.

            “Jesus said no greater is than he, born of woman. Even that would be an abomination.”

            I’m not sure what you are implying here.

            “But at least he is in heaven and not the grave.”

            Do you believe that he was assumed into Heaven?

          • Ron Murphy

            Tony, I know John is in heaven. All the souls of martyrs go straight to heaven where they await for their return to earth. They will come with Christ to get their resurrected bodies and go back to heaven in the rapture and stand on the sea of glass with all the other tribulation saints, Rev 6:9-11. That is the rapture in the next verse, 12.

            Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
            Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
            Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them,
            nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

            Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
            You are not supposed to bow to any one other than God.
            You are not supposed to even make a graven image much less bow to it. Even the angels themselves, which are greater than men, told us not to bow before them,.

            Rev_19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
            Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
            Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

            Nowhere in the Bible, did I see anyone of the Apostles ask Mary, or any body else to pray for them which was dead already. Only martyrs go to be with Jesus, during his reign, all others will have to wait until it’s over, Rev 20:4-6.

            What is your purpose for praying to Mary, is not God able to hear you? Did He not say, if you ask you shall receive? By praying to Mary, you show lack of faith, God will not heed your request. Those that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength. We must be patient, not all things we ask for, is in our best interest. God know more than we do. It is blasphemy to seek others for help that only God can do. You don’t need Mary, she can not hear you. Ask the living to pray for you, but don’t bow to them or build them a graven image. Saul got into big trouble for seeking a witch to bring Samuel up from the grave. Don’t be foolish, God is not mocked.

    • Tony

      You can still come back Kat. Judging from your posts, it appears that you have a lot of misinformation about the Catholic Church and what she believes and does not believe.

    • Tony

      Kat, you do realize that the “queen of Heaven,” spoken of in Ezekiel has nothing to do with the Blessed Mother.

    • Ron Murphy

      Amen, Kat Hooker.

    • Tony

      1. Why is “religion” bad?

      2. What is your definition of a “true child who has the truth in them”?

      • Teresa

        @Tony, I wrote a reply to your post above on past, present future of salvation. Please read and respond, if you are will. Not hate just questions from me.

        • Tony

          Yes, Teresa I will respond to you. I looked for my post earlier but I could not find it. I thought that it may have been removed but I could just have overlooked it.

          • Teresa

            @Tony, I am leaving for work now but your apparently an apologist for the RCC and I was posting questions about your past, present and future salvation post using scripture. I would like to know more about this.

    • Brenda Murphy

      Amen!!!

    • Steve

      You do realize Daniel 7 has already been fulfilled? It was all fulfilled during the Maccabean revolt and afterwards until the Temple was destroyed. Let’s not shout ludacris claims that we know biblical prophecy. Peter actually condemns it:

      20 First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, 21 because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

  • Ron Murphy

    Amen, Kat. Jesus is the Word of God. We hear his voice. Not that of Mary. It is Baal worship, Catholics follow.

    • Tony

      When did the Church ever say that we are to follow the Blessed Mother’s voice over that of her Son?

  • kesnme

    Christians opposing Christians. One sect intolerant of the other. One believing to be more favorable to God than the other. As the Jews during Jesus’s life, as the Muslims today.

    • CrissCross

      Might be these are for 2 reasons…might be 😉

      1. Wherever there is smoke, there is fire!
      2. End Time events (Inevitable)!

  • Leon

    I TOO DON’T BELIEVE THIS!!!

    Eyewitnesses Testify: Pope Francis Raped and Killed Children; Sealed Vatican Documents Expose Their Satanic Rituals 🙁
    http://humansarefree.com/2014/04/eyewitnesses-testify-pope-francis-raped.html

    The UN is Investigating the Vatican on Charges of Torture – You Won’t Believe Their Answer!
    http://humansarefree.com/2014/05/the-un-is-investigating-vatican-on.html

  • Teresa

    The OT is full of scripture of what God wants from us concerning any man made idols to worship. He condemns it. The NT (Romans 1:25) states that people will worship the created not the Creator and God will give them over to their desires. WE must put our trust in Christ Jesus to get us heaven and not any man. Man will fell us, including myself, but Jesus promised me HE will never leave me not forsake me. He is our eternal priest and mediator forever. I can not understand this Mary worship of a man made statue and other saints that have died. MY grandchildren are being schooled and raised in the RCC and I can not through the scripture and their teachings understand their statue worship. Mary will be elevated to a high blessing and reward for all eternity for her heart of worship and obedience to even her King. All those that did not love their life, example-John the Baptist, will have a great reward for giving their lives to the blessed King Jesus. I am striving for this daily but I do not know what His plan is for my life concerning my life/death on this earth.

    • Tony

      Teresa wrote,

      “The OT is full of scripture of what God wants from us concerning any man made idols to worship. He condemns it. The NT (Romans 1:25) states that people will worship the created not the Creator and God will give them over to their desires. WE must put our trust in Christ Jesus to get us heaven and not any man. Man will fell us, including myself, but Jesus promised me HE will never leave me not forsake me. He is our eternal priest and mediator forever”

      This is pure Catholic belief.

      “I can not understand this Mary worship of a man made statue and other saints that have died.”

      But we do not worship the Blessed Mother or saints or statues. To do so would be idolatry. In fact, in the days of the Early Church there was a sect that did worship the Blessed Mother as a goddess. This heresy was known as Collyridianism. The Catholic Church condemned that belief as heretical.

      “Mary will be elevated to a high blessing and reward for all eternity for her heart of worship and obedience to even her King. All those that did not love their life, example-John the Baptist, will have a great reward for giving their lives to the blessed King Jesus.”

      A big Catholic “Amen!!” to that.

      “I am striving for this daily but I do not know what His plan is for my life concerning my life/death on this earth.”

      Myself also.
      God Bless

  • Mario

    Wow, those who keep saying that Mary is the Mother of God, need to remember the Scripture that Jesus said:

    Mat 12:50
    “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”

    There is only one intercessor between God and men, the man Jesus Christ.

    No Michael, No gabriel, no Mary, no John, no Peter, no Saint Thomas, no Saint Sabarindo or Virgen del Pilar, or Saint San Busto. None of them, only Jesus Christ.

    The Bible also says that those who call upon the name of the LORD shall be saved

    Rom 10:13
    For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    So how the Church saves? That is just blasphemy, blasphemy.

    The Bible is very clear when it says that in the last day many shall fall away from the true faith

    2Th 2:3
    Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    The Pope is that man, the son of perdition.

    • Happybee

      The Bible is also very clear on saying that faith alone cannot save you. James 2:14-26 – NKJV: ”What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?…Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works…You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead…”

      Devil also believes that God exists – does that save him????? You have to come to your senses, dear protestant friends because the Bible wasn’t compiled until centuries after Jesus so thanks to tradition the Word of God spread. Thanks to the Catholic tradition…if not for the Catholic church you wouldn’t even have your Bibles that various protestant people changed and adapted to their tastes. And now you have 30000+ protestant sects and they’re all different. Which one is true??????

      • Ruach

        @ Happybee

        TWO DENOMINATIONS

        ISRAEL (wheat, desirable) and the DOGS (tares, weeds, undesirable)

        The only two “denominations” that will be in the world-to-come (MILLENNIAL REIGN) will be Yasharal (ISRAEL) (Rev. 21:12), and “DOGS”* (Rev. 22:15) –

        Somewhat like the wheat and tares, because one is desired, and the other is a variety of all kinds of plants that are undesirable.

        Israel is the only one you need to be identified as now, unless you desire to be in the other denomination.

        When you pass through the waters of the COVENANT of immersion into the Name of Yahushua, you become a fully-fledged, one-fell-swoop ISRAELITE. If you follow Yahusha, then your “sect” is, like Paul, the “NATSARIM” (see Acts 24:5).

        The 12 tribes are spread abroad into all the Gentiles (Amos 9:9, Jas. 1:1), and Yahushua is calling them to Himself, searching them out through his workers in the harvest.

        You may have been the Dalai Lama, or a Mexican Chinese Negro Italian-Irish Buddhist formerly, but once you pass through that water (immersion, tevila, or baptism), and vow to obey your Creator, Yahushua, you are a NEW creation…

        An Israelite!

        The UN* won’t like it, and neither will your parents, your pastor, or your friends. Too bad, this is simply a fact of life, and the only way to eternal life.

        Peculiar? You betcha!

        The WWCG, Baptist, Amish, Catholic, Episcopal, Jehovah Witness, Lutheran, Mennonite, Mormon, or you-name-it — all must come to the conclusion that their days are over. In fact, they never had their day, in truth, using Scripture as the proof…

        ISRAEL is the only bride of Yahuah (YHVH) — He’ll never change His mind about it either, He’s especially faithful about this.

        Read about it sometime. Yahushua’s “bride” or wife is called “Qahal Yisrael”, Assembly of Yasharal (Israel).

        That’s the denomination that you want to be in.

        You engraft (Romans 11) at your immersion into His Name, and at that moment you accept the Name of your Husband – the Covenant represents your wedding vows. The Covenant is a marriage covenant with the Maker of Heaven and Earth. Outside this Covenant, and this denomination, can there be salvation according to the revealed Word of Yahuah?

        There will be 2 “denominations” in the world-to-come. One of them will be permitted to enter the gates, and the other will have to remain outside:

        ISRAEL (Rev. 21:12) These “do His Commands” (keep the Commandments), and may eat of the Tree of Life, and enter through the gates of the New Yerushaliyim.

        Mt. 15:26 refers to Israel as “the children”, and the woman not of Israel as a “dog” — but she had the choice to remain a “dog” or convert and become an Israelite — as do we all.

        At the time she made her request, she was a “dog” because she was not obedient to the Covenant Yahuah made exclusively with Israel, the ONLY people He has revealed His Word to (Torah, Commandments – Ps 147:19,20).

        DOGS (Rev. 22:15) These stay outside, never eating of the Tree of Life, nor entering into the gates of the New Yerushaliyim.

        Why? They do NOT “do His Commands” (keep the Commandments).

        They may be “religious”, but may follow a made-up “way” which is about Messiah, but not the correct way. Like weeds, there are many kinds of them, blocking LIGHT and using up resources.

        Remember, Satan “believes”, but won’t obey. If we can make up our own way, like believe Sunday is the Sabbath, then what Cain did (offering what he pleased) should have been acceptable —

        Should Yahuah apologize to Cain?

        If someone tells you that you DON’T NEED TO OBEY the Covenant, the 10 Commandments, does that mean they are of ISRAEL, or the DOGS?

        We should be able to discern them by their fruit (works), and teachings.

        One program is given by Yahuah, and yet there are thousands of other programs invented by men, which intend to be correct, but are not.

        That’s all there is; 2 denominations.

        So the choice should be easy for us.

        – Ruach

        The former Ruach, the DOG, died in the waters at the time he was immersed (baptized) into the Name of Yahushua ha’Mashiach of Natsarith (Nazareth). Although he had generally been a fairly nice guy, he wasn’t aware that there was a Covenant he needed to enter into with his Creator.

        So, that fellow is no longer around.

        Oh, by the way, do you realize that the “sign” of the EVERLASTING Covenant is the Sabbath? … the 4th commandment that the RCC changed to Sunday.

        Being “everlasting”, that’s not likely to change.

        Yahushua was born a Hebrew…
        Lived as a Hebrew…
        Taught as a Hebrew…
        Died as a Hebrew…
        And was resurrected as a Hebrew…

        His wife is not Roman or Greek…

        His wife is HEBREW! … She is Israel!

        You certainly don’t need anyone else’s approval to enter into the Covenant with your Creator; it’s only between you and Yahushua.

        Go for it, and live for Him.

        • Brenda Murphy

          Hey Ruach,
          Good to have you back!

          • Ruach

            @ Brenda

            Dear sweet Brenda,

            Thanks for the welcome.

            Just found a little time to make a comment … will do so when I can.

            Hope you and Ron are doing good.

            May Yahushua cause His face to shine on you both!

          • Brenda Murphy

            @ Ruach,
            We are doing well. Thx.
            Glad you are back, missed ya’.

        • Brenda Murphy

          Ruach,
          We are part of Israel, but the Jews, the 144,000, will be the remnant that God has chosen, after the great tribulation, in which God will seal them.
          Those Jews will reproduce in the millennial reign, when Christ comes back to set up His kingdom on the earth, along with those that have been martyred in the great tribulation.
          Only the martyred will come back and reign with Christ.

          Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
          Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
          Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

      • Dan

        What’s more proof that Christ was truly the messiah a book that was compiled by a clergy that knowingly withheld gospels from actual apostles Mary included. The movement was so fragmented we needed these men of the Catholic church to comprise a book and who’s to say they made the right choices. I would say that 12 men that had no book and only faith. 12 men that preached the gospel of salvation without a book and only their faith. Each one giving up their lives to spread this gospel and each one martyred. Still we have the choice to believe or not. And as for the line from James. you have one line that really means what. That salvation is not a gift! Because that’s what your saying. You can have it one way or the other. But not both ways. There are more verses that plainly state that salvation is done and finished .
        Why would you so aptly believe in a story of one choice made that condemns us all(Adam) yet not believe in a similar choice that can save us all (Christ)

      • Ort

        It is the Grace of God that saves, and faith comes from hearing the Word of God. WORKS DO NOT SAVE.
        “By Grace are you saved, through faith, and this not of yourselves. It is the Gift of God, NOT WORKS, lest any should boast.” Ephesians 2:8-9. Works come after salvation, as one desires to do these things in love and gratitude to God for what He has done for us. He also expects us to do those things. We do them gladly.

        What works did the thief on the cross perform?
        Did Jesus lie when He told him “today you will be with me in paradise” ? Of course not. “God is not a man, that He should lie.”

        God’s Word never contradicts itself, ever. You need to examine your exegesis, which is incorrect.

      • Brenda Murphy

        @ Happy bee

        Some people get the works of the law confused with the works that Christ told us to do.

        True, we are no longer under the old Hebraic laws, but Jesus said that if you were lukewarm, he’d spew you out of his mouth.
        You have to be on fire for God, to be on fire, means to be doing diligently what he says. To be doing–that means work.

        Mar 13:34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

        • Dan

          What does lukewarm mean Brenda? It would have to mean if you were not quite sure whether or not Christ is the Messiah. Not that your living for Christ in some kind of wild happy way. Your living for Christ when you breakfast everyday. During that day hold fast because you may be tested. The what if this and the what if that’s are hogwash and make things more confusing for some that have doubts. Instead of being thankful their afraid instead. Today even believing is hard for some . They are the ones Christ is talking about. People we hear his voice and some do not. We are thought to be foolish! imagine that! Not in my wildest dreams. Be thankful you are foolish!

          • Brenda Murphy

            I am not foolish–we are to be wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
            God does give us knowledge, if we want it, Dan, as Ron and I have said so many times before.
            God wants us to understand what He wants from us, as His beloved children—didn’t your father and mother here on earth want to give you understanding-to teach you right from wrong? Even so, God wants us to know His will for us.
            If we do not do His will, we will be left out of it, I do believe. 🙂

            Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
            Eph 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
            Eph 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

          • Dan

            Brenda look into what context I used Foolish. Then you will understand what I meant.

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  • “We do hereby officially declare Pope Francis to be the False Prophet of the book of Revelation, and everything he has been doing since he was made Pope shows this to be true. He is uniting all of Christianity under the umbrella of Rome, as well as the Muslims and Islam whom he plans on using as his muscle to carry out his edicts”

    Just for the sheer sake of it, suppose that Pope Francis is actually the Antichrist (AC), and Barack Obama is actually the False Prophet (FP)? Although popular call today in reverse fashion, maybe that’s the identification problem? Anyway, from my in-depth research into matters, it appears that both terrible end time kings are here now (and rapidly gaining global power), and their names as addressed above (both names fictitious). Neither can die either, by human power!

    And this new idea also fits with both figures characters. Obama the claimed Muslim (FP), and Francis the claimed Christian (AC). Plus mirrors the same effect with John and Jesus. John the Baptist being the forerunner unto Jesus the Christ. And Barack Obama the FP being the forerunner unto Pope Francis the AC? The AC is definitely the ‘son of perdition’, which fits the Popes image somewhat? Plus Popes throughout history were labeled as AC? But of course both the FP and AC are anitchrist, as neither can be saved, and are obviously servants of Satan.

    Also neither Obama nor Francis are whom they claim to be, as both are liars and deceivers. Obama is a false Muslim, as proven by his blatant sinful ways; drink, smoke, LGBT, etc, plus maybe even an atheist I’ve read. He uses religious status merely for political gain. Btw true Muslims are very devout, and avoid all such sins. Francis is also a false Christian, as he completely rejects the gospel message, plus he is a proudly admitted Jesuit priest (BEWARE!).

    P.S. Just my usual silly two cents offer, for whatever it’s worth? Like we all, I’m just an explorer 😉

    • Bro. Nick

      @ MRH – Have you bothered to tell “the Lord God Almighty” your personal declaration???
      Do you have any specific verses from “the word of truth”, “the law”, “the word of the LORD”, the Holy Bible to substantiate your statements???

      It just might be a good idea for each and every one of us to go and read Isaiah Chapter 14 – verses 12-23 – AND – Prov 8:13!

      “My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.”
      (1 John 3:18 – KJV)

      • @Bro. Nick: Just speculating on things, as we all are when exploring end time prophecy mysteries 😉

        P.S. Time and patience will reveal mystery matters eventually 🙂

        • Bro. Nick

          @ MRH – I was making a comment based upon what the Holy Bible says, my requirement as a “watchman”(Ezek 33:1-6) is done.

          Your choices are yours – as are the consequences.

          • @Bro. Nick: Since when is biblical speculation a holy crime? Also where is your absolute proof regarding end time mysteries?

        • Bro. Nick

          @ MRH – I did not say that your ‘biblical speculation is a holy crime’. You made the statement about who the false prophet is.

          I have made no prophetic declarations. If/when I have a thought it will be as a question – not as a statement of fact – unless it is stated in the Holy Word of “the Lord God Almighty”.

          Your choices are yours – as are the consequences.
          My choices are mine – and mine will be the consequences.
          That is true for each and every person.

          This is no ‘silly game’ – the eternal destiny of the souls of men, women, boys, and girls are at stake! HEAVEN – or – Hell!

          The reason that I made the comment is – have considered what impact your declaration might have on a weak Christian if you are wrong?
          We are in the end times with great deceptions being made by Satan
          – and instead of making casual statements, my understanding is that CHRISTians ought to obey “the LORD GOD”:

          6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
          7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

          8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
          9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

          10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
          11 To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
          (1 Pet 5:6-11 – KJV)

          • “I did not say that your ‘biblical speculation is a holy crime’. You made the statement about who the false prophet is.

            @Bro. Nick: And did not NTEB and others here do likewise? I just reversed things in my post just for thought. Fact of matter is, we will probably not be able to identify exactly whom the two end time kings are until certain specific prophetic events occur in the holy land. Namely the creating of the holy covenant, which leads to the rise of the third temple on the mount. Agreed?

            As for both Obama and Francis, they both are clearly NWO, that much is evident, but they both play different roles in NWO game. Francis is clearly religious, but Obama remains yet mystery. As for Antichrist and False Prophet aspects, the question is which comes first? The first king blasphemes God and overcomes the saints. Whereas the second king terrorizes and enslaves the world as God. Agreed?

            P.S. I have much knowledge concerning end time matters 🙂

          • Bro. Nick

            @ MRH – Your choice is yours.
            You are obviously an expert, you stated – ‘I have much knowledge concerning end time matters’

            My choices are mine – and mine will be the consequences. I know that I know next to nothing at all – 1 Cor 8.2

          • “I know that I know next to nothing at all”

            @Bro. Nick: Well, as they say; “ignorance is bliss”? Most believers sadly live in the prophetic dark, and all unbelievers know nothing but the world, and even my indoor content cat can only comprehend survival matters; water, food, litter box, etc.

            I myself once lived solely for the world until I met God through Christ, and became a born again believer by pure faith choice. Afterwards I sought out greater holy understanding through biblical studies and research. Even so, in those ancient by gone days, the terms ‘conspiracy’ and ‘prophecy’ didn’t even exist in my vocabulary 🙁

            But after 911, I suddenly woke up confused and terrified seeking answers, and I’m still learning varied end time mysteries; Illuminati, NWO, 666, RFID, FEMA, HAARP, DIA, NASA, etc. The Holy Spirit guides and teaches me many varied prophetic wonders, from scripture and elsewhere sources (sites, videos, etc), of which I then witness unto others for better or worse impact (often latter). Fact is we don’t learn and grow in holy knowledge by choosing to remain hidden beneath the canopy of ignorance you hopefully do know? 😉

            P.S. A Christian is not required to know everything, and nor can we know everything just yet, as we can only know in part until Christ returns. Nor does salvation require anything other than faith in God through the gospel message. All else doctrine added by the churches or believers is simply false religion. Now can we agree on this all at least? 🙂

          • Bro. Nick

            @ MRH – You sir ‘jumped to a conclusion’ which IS NOT FACT. IF you are interested re-read the words what I wrote.

            Words have specific and exact meanings, and I wrote “I know that I know next to nothing at all – 1 Cor 8.2” The more I study the Holy Word of “the living God”, the more I realize how little I actually do know. I did not say that I was ignorant about the Holy Bible, or Biblical Prophecy, or that my choice is – “, as they say: ingnorance is bliss…”

            Because of the specific and exact meaning that “the LORD GOD” uses in “the word of God”, “the truth”, “the law” – the Holy Bible is why I made my first comment to you by quotes from “the word of God”.

            DEFINITIONS OF WORDS –

            – KNOW, v.t. 1. To perceive with certainty; to understand clearly; to have a clear and certain perception of truth, fact, or any thing that actually exists. To know a thing precludes all doubt or uncertainty of its existence.

            – IG’NORANCE, n. 1. Want, absence or destitution of knowledge; the negative state of the mind which has not been instructed in arts, literature or science, or has not been informed of facts. Ignorance may be general, or it may be limited to particular subjects. Ignorance of the law does not excuse a man for violating it. Ignorance of facts if often venial.

      • “You sir ‘jumped to a conclusion’ which IS NOT FACT. IF you are interested re-read the words what I wrote”

        @Bro. Nick: I read your comment, and it is extremely confusing. What exactly is your point anyway? I merely made a statement as to my end time belief situation, and you instantly attacked it as being biblically wrong! 🙁

        P.S. Maybe you are jumping to conclusions yourself about me? 😉

        • Bro. Nick

          @ MRH – If you consider me to have attacked you because I quoted Bible verses for you to consider – that is your choice.

          I have nothing further to say.

          • “I have nothing further to say.”

            @Bro. Nick: I’m sorry to inform, but your cold uncaring dry ‘religious’ attitude unto me holds no joy with God 🙁

            1Jo 3:16-17 KJV – Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. But whoso hath this world’s good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

            1Jo 4:20-21 KJV – If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

        • Bro. Nick

          @ MRH – If I had a ‘… cold uncaring dry ‘religious’ attitude …’ I would not have made any comment to begin with.
          You have chosen to take offense at my plain, blunt, ‘politically incorrect’ language and quotes from
          “the word of the LORD”.

          My comments were from the perspective of:
          “Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.”
          (Prov 27:17 – KJV)

          “Not unto us, O LORD, not unto us, but unto thy name give glory, for thy mercy, and for thy truth’s sake.”
          (Ps 115:1 – KJV)

          • “You have chosen to take offense at my plain, blunt, ‘politically incorrect’ language and quotes from
            “the word of the LORD””

            @Bro. Nick: No, my offense is purely attitude related (dry ‘personality’ aspect). But then you don’t understand, as we obviously aren’t on the same congenial conversation level here? 🙁

            P.S. The ancients didn’t go around quoting scripture in robotic fashion with nearly every breath as some believers today do. Rather they mostly conversed and related on a normal human level or through occasional figures of speech. Not that scripture quotes aren’t relevant at times, but within reason and context 😉

  • Mike

    You people are all crazy. You are no better than the folkish Asatru who worship the god Odin and believe they are racially superior than others. They Christians and your utter hypocrisy. Did Thor nail Jesus to the tree?

    • Ort

      God brought you here for a reason. Either you will repent and be saved (wonderful!), or this is yet another chance for you to hear Him and you will reject Him. You are now without excuse, for you have probably heard many times, and rejected Him many times. You cannot say to Him “Lord, I wasn’t given a chance!”
      I sincerely pray you find salvation.

  • Happybee

    The simple fact is that in the hymn, “Exsultet”, the Latin word “lucifer” does not refer to the fallen angel Lucifer but rather to the “morning star” who is Jesus Christ, as the correct translation found in the Wiki article (link below) makes abundantly clear. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exsultet

    • Bro. Nick

      If you read what “the word of the LORD”, “the word of God”, “the law”, the Holy Bible actually says about “Lucifer”.
      I will not sing or listen to songs glorifying him and his devils!

      12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
      13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
      14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
      15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
      (Is 14:12-15 – KJV)

      14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
      15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
      (2 Cor 11:14-15 – KJV)

      ———————————-

      – Lucifer – aka Satan – aka the Devil is the one who seeks to destroy the souls of men!

      ‘Bearer of Light, or Light-Bearer, is not a new expression, but rather a very old title. In fact, it is a literal translation of the name Lucifer.

      ‘In Occult circles, this fact is a truism: Lucifer is the Light-Bearer, and the Light-Bearer is Lucifer. How could it be otherwise? It is simply a translation of his name. For example, the Grand Commander and architect of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, Albert Pike, paraphrases Freemason and Magus Eliphas Lévi, writing, “LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light…? Doubt it not!” The doctrine was also proclaimed by Madame Blavatsky, founder of the Occult Theosophical Society, who blamed the Catholic Church for illogically calling Lucifer, the Light-Bearer, a Spirit of Darkness: “…the Church, in her struggle with Manicheeism, invented the devil, and by placing a theological extinguisher on the radiant star-god, Lucifer, the “Son of the Morning,” thus created the most gigantic of all her paradoxes–a black and tenebrous light…” Elsewhere she writes that “Lucifer is divine and terrestrial light, the “Holy Ghost” and “Satan,” at one and the same time…” She concludes that “Lucifer, or “Light-Bearer,” is in us…” A consistent Occultist who worshipped Satan, Blavatsky taught “that the Logos and Satan are one.” Likewise Satanist Aleister Crowley, once head of the ruling body of Esoteric Freemasonry known as the Ordo Templi Orientis, also writes that “‘Lucifer’…is not the enemy of Man, but He who made Gods of our race, knowing Good and Evil; He bade ‘Know Thyself!’ and taught Initiation. He is “The Devil”…his letter is ayin, the Eye, so that he is Light…’

      Quote from ‘Medjugorje and the Light-Bearer’ by Craig L. Heimbichner

      http://www.unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/Medjugorje%20and%20the%20Light.html

      • m

        The hymn ‘Exsultet’ sung during the Easter Sunday vigil mass, is not about Lucifer (Satan) but about Morning Star. That is Jesus.

        Rev 22:16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

        Jesus is The Morning Star. Satan tries to look like Jesus and supplant Him sometime in the future, perhaps very near future, even claiming to be Him. But let us understand the deception and that the true “Morning Star” told us this in advance through His Apostles and Prophets; and told us to “watch out”. Stay vigilant.

    • Bro. Nick

      @ Happybee – Do you as a Catholic also hold firmly with the following established beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church found at a Catholic website?

      •EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS – (No Salvation Outside the Church)

      http://www.trusaint.com/no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church/

      •The Bible teaches that Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist

      http://www.trusaint.com/the-bible-proves-the-teachings-of-the-catholic-church/#eucharist

      •The Biblical basis for praying to Mary and for Catholic teachings on Mary

      •The Bible teaches that Jesus made St. Peter the first Pope

      •Justification by faith alone and eternal security refuted by the Bible

      •The Bible teaches confession to a Priest

      •The Bible on praying to and venerating Saints

      •The Bible teaches baptismal regeneration and that baptism is necessary for salvation

      •The proof for infant baptism

      •Baptism doesn’t have to be immersion

      •The Bible teaches Purgatory

      •The Bible does not teach Sola Scriptura (scripture alone)

  • Happybee

    THIS INFO IS FROM THE PROTESTANT WEBSITE:

    The first reference to the morning star as an individual is in Isaiah 14:12: “How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!” The KJV and NKJV both translate “morning star” as “Lucifer, son of the morning.” It is clear from the rest of the passage that Isaiah is referring to Satan’s fall from heaven (Luke 10:18). So in this case, the morning star refers to Satan. In Revelation 22:16, Jesus unmistakably identifies Himself as the morning star. Why are both Jesus and Satan described as the “morning star”?

    It’s interesting to note that the concept of the “morning star” is not the only concept that is applied to both Jesus and Satan. In Revelation 5:5, Jesus is referred to as the Lion of the tribe of Judah. In 1 Peter 5:8, Satan is compared to a lion, seeking someone to devour. The point is this, both Jesus and Satan, to a certain extent, have similarities to lions. Jesus is similar to a lion in that He is the King, He is royal and majestic. Satan is similar to a lion in that he seeks to devour other creatures. That is where the similarities between Jesus, Satan, and lions end, however. Jesus and Satan are like lions in very different ways.

    The idea of a “bright morning star” is a star that outshines all the others. Satan, as perhaps the most beautiful creation of God, probably the most powerful of all the angels, was a bright morning star. Jesus, as God incarnate, the Lord of the universe, is THE bright and morning star. Jesus is the most holy and powerful “light” in all the universe. So, while both Jesus and Satan can be described as “bright morning stars,” in no sense is this equating Jesus and Satan. Satan is a created being. His light only exists to the extent that God created it. Jesus is the light of the world (John 9:5). Only Jesus’ light is self-existent. Satan may be a bright morning star, but he is only a poor imitation of the one true bright morning star, Jesus Christ, the light of the world.

    Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/morning-star.html#ixzz35wI9KJDy

    • Bro. Nick

      The following are quotes from “the word of the LORD”, “the word of truth”, “the law” – the Holy Bible (KJV):

      – “the Lord Jesus Christ” says of Himself:

      “16 I JESUS have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.

      I am the root and the offspring of David,

      AND THE BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR.”

      (Revelation 22:16 – KJV) – – Emphasis & Cap’s mine – Bro. Nick

      —————————————————-

      – “Lucifer:

      “12 How art thou fallen from heaven,

      O LUCIFER, SON OF THE MORNING!

      how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!”
      (Isaiah 14:12 – KJV) – – Emphasis & Cap’s mine – Bro. Nick

      NOTE: All words and verses in ” ” are found in the Holy Bible (KJV)
      =========================================================

      “1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
      2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
      3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
      4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”
      (Matt 4:1-4 – KJV)

      “15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”
      (Josh 24:15 – KJV)

      ————————

      My personal choice is: “… but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”

    • Bro. Nick

      Heb 4:12

  • Maggie Mae

    OK, EVERYONE ENOUGH! PLEASE! LET’S STOP ALL THE HATEFUL BACK AND FORTH. DISCUSSION WITH CHRISTIAN BEHAVIOR IS ALWAYS GOOD, BUT WHEN IT TURNS INTO A VERY HEATED, UGLY, NAME-CALLING RANT, THE ONLY ONE GETTING THE GLORY IS THE DEVIL HIMSELF! STOOOOOOOP! CAN EVERYONE JUST TAKE ONE MOMENT AT 3P TODAY (THE HOUR OF MERCY) AND PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER, CHRIST WILL RECEIVE THE GLORY AS HE SHOULD. I WILL BE PRAYING FOR ALL OF YOU @ 3P. CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW ANGRY SATAN WILL BE OVER THIS? COME ON “BODY OF CHRIST”, IT’S TIME, “LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS I HAVE LOVED YOU”
    MAY THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB BE WITH ALL OF YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES, NOW AND FOREVER MORE, AMEN AND AMEN!!!

    • Bro. Nick

      I will pray unto “the Lord God Almighty” only in the Holy Name of “the Lord Jesus Christ” for the Salvation of all lost men, women, boys and girls – wherever they may be – only in accordance with “the word of the LORD”:

      “4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

      5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

      6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
      (1 Tim 2:4-6 – KJV)
      ——————————
      “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
      (2 Pet 3:9 – KJV)

      ———————————————–
      Please remember the following about “the truth” –

      “THE LORD JEHOVAH” uses the word “truth” 235 times, and “the truth” 87 times in His Holy Word, The Holy Bible (KJV).

      “That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?”
      (Prov 22:21 – KJV)

      ‘Sometimes “the truth” makes Love hurt’

      “The Truth” is “The Truth” – even if nobody chooses to believe it!

      “The truth” is hate speech only to those who hate “the truth”.

      Bro. Nick

    • Bro. Nick

      @ Maggie Mae – You posted what Roman Catholics believe that ‘The simple fact is that in the hymn, “Exsultet”, the Latin word “lucifer” does not refer to the fallen angel Lucifer …’

      When I respond with what is written in “the word of the LORD”, “the words of truth”, “the law” – the Holy Bible (KJV)

      – you demand for a stop to ‘ALL THE HATEFUL BACK AND FORTH’

      – I responded with how I would (and did pray) – and then you will not even respond to either!

      ————————————————-

      Please remember the following about “the truth”:

      “That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?”
      (Prov 22:21 – KJV) Please read Heb 4:12

      “The LORD JEHOVAH” uses the word “truth” 235 times, and “the truth” 87 times in “the word of the LORD”, “the law”, The Holy Bible (KJV).

      ‘Sometimes “the truth” makes Love hurt’

      “The Truth” is “the Truth” – even if nobody chooses to believe it!

      “The truth” is hate speech only to those who hate “the truth”.

  • Revelation 2:9

    Pope Francis,who is your sugardaddy?

    “The jews,you silly goy”.

    • Bro. Nick

      I, and ALL OTHER CHRISTians have chosen to believe that “the Lord God Almighty” really means when “thus saith the LORD” is used in “the word of the LORD”, “the word of God”, the Holy Bible!

      – The Holy Spirit is preparing the true Church for the coming of “THE LORD JESUS CHRIST”

      ===================================================

      You and those that follow your devious ways DO NOT.

      – ‘The spirit of confusion and deception’ is being used by Satan and his followers in preparing the harlot church for the coming of the anti-Christ!

      – You use the twisting of Scripture and the doctrines of men to preach, teach, and ‘prove’ your hatred of the modern “Jewish” people – and “Israel” – and “the truth” of “the Lord God Almighty.

      – In doing so, you prove your personal hatred of “the truth” that “the LORD” writes in “the law” “the word of the LORD”.

      ————————————-
      “the LORD GOD” says in His Holy Word!

      10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
      11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
      (Titus 3:10-11 -KJV)

      ————————-
      8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
      9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
      (Rom 2:8-9 – KJV)

      ————————-
      “JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS” personally said:
      He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
      (Matt 12:30 – KJV)

      • Revelation 2:9

        Rick,the pope is surrounded by jews.They(all popes) are always kissing jew rearend.You just don’t hear about it.You can find this info if you try.Remember the article I posted where pope francis had a bunch of rabbis over for lunch and the pope made a nasty joke about the crucifixion of Jesus?

        • Bro. Nick

          Sir – I had no idea of the depth of your hatred of the “chosen people” of “the LORD JEHOVAH”.

          Satan and his followers are using ‘the spirit of confusion and deception’ in preparing the harlot church for the coming of the anti-Christ!

          – You and those that follow your devious ways DO NOT believe that “the LORD JEHOVAH” really means what He says in
          “the word of the LORD”, “the law”, the Holy Bible:

          “Thus saith the LORD God of Israel”:

          * “Israel” | “Israel’s” | “Israelite” | “Israelites” | “Israelitish”
          = 2,600 occurrences “in the word of God” (KJV)

          * “Judah” | “Judah’s”
          = 816 occurences “in the word of God” (KJV)

          * “JEWS” | “Jew” | “Jews” | “Jews’” | “Jewish” |”Jewess” | “Jewry”
          = 295 occurences “in the word of God” (KJV)

          * “Zion” | “Zion’s”
          = 153 occurences “in the word of God” (KJV)[only in the OT]

          * “Hebrew” | “Hebrews” | “Hebrews’” | “Hebrewess”
          = 48 occurences “in the word of God” (KJV)

          * “Jerusalem” | “Jerusalem’s”
          = 814 occurences “in the word of God” (KJV)
          ————————————————-
          = 4,431 TOTAL occurrences in just these 6 references!!!

          – Yet you continue to use the twisting of Scripture and the doctrines of men to preach, teach, and ‘prove’ your hatred of the modern “Jewish” people – and “Israel” – and “the truth” of “the Lord God Almighty.

          ————————————-
          “the LORD GOD” says in His Holy Word!

          1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
          2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

          3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
          (Gen 12:1-3 – KJV)

  • Vernon

    The West Australian version of Facebook has an advertisement for the Royal Automobile Club (RAC)below all these comments, saying, “Get a Quote today”.

    Reading from the top of this correspondence, must I get another one after reading all of these?

    • Cobber, I’ll give you three free quotes, the best 
      insurance you will ever get ! I’m from QLD.

      John 3:16   For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 

      John 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.  

      Acts 16:31   And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. 

  • Floyd J

    Nice work NTEB.

  • Michael

    Judging and cursing each other will not avail. Since God is Love, we should be spending our time praising and worshiping Him and let Him alone judge. His Spirit should be in our hearts guiding and blessing us. Stop all his bickering about true or false religion. There will be a Judgement Day you know.

    • Bro. Nick

      @ Michael – You wrote ‘Stop all his bickering about true or false religion’ –

      I WILL NOT stop emphasizing what “the Lord Jesus Christ” said of Himself:
      6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
      7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
      (John 14:6-7 – KJV)

      12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
      13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

      19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
      20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

      21 Little children, KEEP YOURSELVES FROM IDOLS. Amen.
      (1 John 5:12-13 / 19-21 – KJV) – Capitalization mine &
      – PLEASE READ verses 1-21 – Bro. Nick

      ====================================================================
      THIS IS NOT SOME ‘SILLY GAME’! – All eternity rests upon the decision of whether or not each person accepts – OR – rejects the free gift of Salvation – only in the way that it is written in the Holy Word of “the Lord God Almighty”.

      Those that are believers in ‘false religion’ – who are not truly “born again” followers of “the Lord Jesus Christ” are going to spend all eternity in Hell – according to “the word of the Lord”, “the truth”, “the law”, the Holy Bible.

  • Pope Francis just a mixed up piece of clay that will soon be broken down Think he is to say who can enter the gates of Heaven. He is a foul mouthed false preacher taking his last few steps to the Grave or to the Lake of fire. God has turned him over to a reprobate air head. He has no authority to say who is right or wrong in the heart of any Man/Woman.
    salvation is a free gift of God, in the name of his son Jesus,John,3:16.
    No limp minded man can improve on that. Its whosoever will not whosoever
    wont. The lord made it so easy that a cave man can do it if we will take the word to the cave man. Let him make up his own mind. for heaven or hell. This Jesuit has been reading to many of their own books.
    Roy C. H. USA

    • “Pope Francis just a mixed up piece of clay that will soon be broken down”

      @Roy C.H.: He’s much more than that I’m afraid. They are all but sold out servants of the devil, and the satanic evidence is crystal clear if ones perception is keen 🙂

      P.S. Think of ‘Invasion of the Body Snatchers’, or the ‘X-Files’ for real! Below video should clue you into things regarding matters 😉

      http://youtu.be/U9w9K2AiMTI

  • Leon

    IF these are true then hope they too are going to be Judged 🙄

    http://ivarfjeld.com/category/vatican-rapes-and-sexcrimes/

  • Bro. Nick

    What Pope Francis said in his decree is only affirming official Roman Catholic doctrine that is hundreds of years old –

    EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS (No Salvation Outside the Church)

    The Latin phrase “Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus” means: “Outside the Church there is no salvation”. Catholics interprets this to mean that “all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body.”

    This expression comes from the writings of Saint Cyprian of Carthage, a bishop of the 3rd century, and is found his Letter LXXII, Ad Jubajanum de haereticis baptizandis, and in Latin reads: “Salus extra ecclesiam non est”. The axiom is often used as short-hand for the doctrine, upheld by the the Roman Catholic Church, that the Church is absolutely necessary for salvation (“one true faith”). The theological basis for this doctrine is founded on the beliefs that (1) Jesus Christ personally established the one Church; and (2) the Church serves as the means by which the graces won by Christ are communicated to believers.

    Some of the most pertinent Roman Catholic expressions of this doctrine are: the profession of faith of Pope Innocent III (1208), the profession of faith of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), the bull Unam sanctam of Pope Boniface VIII (1302), and the profession of faith of the Council of Florence (1442). The axiom “No salvation outside the Church” has been frequently repeated over the centuries in different terms by the ordinary magisterium.
    http://www.trusaint.com/no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church/

    For anyone that is interested, see what the official Roman Catholic positions are about some of their essential beliefs –

    The Bible Proves the Teachings of the Catholic Church
    http://www.trusaint.com/the-bible-proves-the-teachings-of-the-catholic-church/

    •The Bible teaches that Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist
    •The Biblical basis for praying to Mary and for Catholic teachings on Mary
    •The Bible teaches that Jesus made St. Peter the first Pope
    •Justification by faith alone and eternal security refuted by the Bible
    •The Bible teaches confession to a Priest
    •The Bible on praying to and venerating Saints
    •The Bible teaches baptismal regeneration and that baptism is necessary for salvation
    •The proof for infant baptism
    •Baptism doesn’t have to be immersion
    •The Bible teaches Purgatory
    •The Bible does not teach Sola Scriptura (scripture alone)

    ———————————————————
    We all need to remember the absoluteness of “the truth” according with what “the word of the LORD” rightly divided (2 Tim 2:15) says:

    “That I might make thee know the certainty of THE WORDS OF TRUTH; that thou mightest answer THE WORDS OF TRUTH to them that send unto thee?”
    (Prov 22:21 – KJV) – – Capitalization mine – Bro. Nick

    “The LORD JEHOVAH” uses the word “truth” 235 times, and “the truth” 87 times in “the word of the LORD”, “the law”, The Holy Bible (KJV).

    ‘Sometimes “the truth” makes Love hurt’

    “The Truth” is “the Truth” – even if nobody chooses to believe it!

    “The truth” is hate speech only to those who hate “the truth”.

    ———————————————–
    Truly converted, “born again”, blood bought followers of “the Lord Jesus Christ” – CHRISTians do not hate the followers of the mortal man Pope Francis.

    Let us all pray that many-many-many Catholics will come to true and Saving faith which is found only in “the Lord Jesus Christ” – which is only by Grace thru Faith! (Eph 2:8-10)

  • Lim Lynn

    Rome isn’t having any authority over Holy Spirit filled Christian points out where Word of GOD authority stands through test of time.

  • That Jesuit Pope should read our 1st. 2ed, and 4th amendment of the USA. He should read some Red words of Jesus. He don’t have the authority to tell any one what to believe. He is pushing for the one world religion, one world Government the way he and his Black pope standing in the shadow have in mind. Gods Word tells me they will never get it all together to fit their design. O Yes, they will bring back in the Dark Ages back for a while where they Killed out 50 to a 100 million Christians like in the history book. William Tyndale working for the Lord. They murdered him. Burned him to ashes and dumped his ashes on the Rhine River and put out a Bull threatening the people that read the Word of God. Well they should have read where Jesus said, Heaven and earth shall pass away but my word will not pass away. The same word will put the Jesuits in the Lake of fire in a short time now.
    When God says it, it is the same as done. God is in full control of how far he will let this Mother of Harlots and the Man in Brussels that thinks he has it all worked out for the so called new world order The wrath of God has already been printed in the KJV. God knows who belongs to him and who is playing church. He will shut the doors on all that need it when it pleases him. The Mother of Harlots has wristed the word of God to their own destruction. God will save the whole House of Israel right in their own Land. Some one should inform John Kerry.
    Roy C.H. USA.

  • Deets

    Why would Jesus need a flawed, sinful human to take his place on earth? Is Jesus not God? Did He not send the Holy Spirit to indwell us after he ascended to the Father in Heaven? The Pope is not able to take Jesus’s place on earth because he is a sinner. No one can take the place of Jesus!

    The truth is, Jesus took OUR place on the Cross! How prideful of us to think any one of us can take his place on earth. How blasphemous.

  • Deets

    If anyone needs a picture or statue to remind them of Christ’s death and resurrection, then I wonder what kind of relationship they have with him. Jesus isn’t dead so that a picture of him is needed to remind us of him. Jesus isn’t dead! He’s very much alive.

  • Steve

    Your first remark is quite judgemental. We are all weak in faith compared with where we should be, and the best thing we can do is ask for more faith or seek it.

    Catholics have a picture of Jesus crucified to meditate on the Passion and to remind them what their sins did to Him. I can tell you firsthand that these images, and similarly images of movies such as the Passion, have deeply helped me in my meditations of walking alongside Jesus carrying the cross. You’re forgetting that fact that we can’t have a risen Jesus without a crucified one. It’s not an either/or, it’s a BOTH.

    Keep your eyes on the crucifix, for Jesus without the cross is a man without a mission, and the cross without Jesus is a burden without a reliever.

    • Deets

      You are right to say Jesus was crucified, for indeed he was! He died for our sins so that we may believe in him and received redemption. However, my point is that he no longer hangs on the cross. I know Catholics believe in the Resurrection, but they seem to not be able to move beyond the cross, the death. When I was Catholic, I remember one priest in our parish who would take the Jesus figure off the cross during the 40 days of Easter, then put it back on the cross after celebrating the Ascension! Did he believe Jesus ascended or not?!

      Jesus is not hanging on a cross in Heaven sacrificing himself over and over again. He is very much alive and seated at the right hand of the Father where he reigns forever. Amen!

      • Steve

        You must not celebrate Lent then? Or Holy Thursday? Or Good Friday? Or Easter? Or Christmas? You say “he no longer hangs on the cross”. He is no longer being born, no longer walking his way through the Passion. You would be a hypocrite if you celebrated Christmas by this logic. Yes, Catholics know Jesus no longer hangs on a cross. We know Jesus didn’t just become born. Catholics have a Liturgical Calendar, just like the Jews did. We celebrate everything every year (minus the Jubilee Year) – we re-encounter the life of Jesus, and we re-celebrate His death and Resurrection at every Mass as Jesus said, “…do this in remembrance of me…”. When someone dies, we are not restricted to only remember them as they were on their deathbed. We remember them as their WHOLE PERSON, not just ONE thing about them. Your focus on the Resurrection takes away from the Passion, Death, and Crucifixion of Our Lord Jesus. His resurrection was no more important than His death, birth, presentation, obeying of His Mother at Cana, teachings, etc. Don’t you see??? Jesus was the Passover Lamb. The 12 disciples did not eat the Lamb as they were supposed to on Holy Thursday because Jesus was the Lamb (this is my body…my blood) and they did eat Him. He told them to “do this in remembrance of me”, not to “forget everything that happens until I rise from the dead”. His Passion is just as important.

        • Deets

          Peace be with you and may God bless you.

  • Deets, You are strong in faith and the truth of Gods word, Steve is week in faith and the Word of God but very strong in IGNORANCE. Its people like that that do not know what side they are working for. I’m
    not judging Steve just describing him and his Preacher. That Kind do not like to be corrected. I expect him to prove that in his next remarks. Thank you Deets for keeping this one alive. OK ????
    Roy CH USA

  • catherine

    There is salvation in NO other Name but Jesus. The Catholic church, Baptist church, mega church, non denominational church, or any other church will not save anyone. Sure, you might hear about Jesus at these places, but God’s Spirit draws us. People can go to church their whole life and do all kinds of good works and still be lost if they do not trust Jesus to save them. Religion is man’s way to try and reach God. JESUS IS God’s way to save man. Traditions of men can fill people full of pride but cannot ever save a person. Only JESUS saves.

  • Dan

    The poor Catholics I keep hearing and why not it’s one blow after another.
    The latest 2 are the kids and the Popes the false prophet.
    But what are you going to do as a Catholic stay the course despite the past. After all Catholicism has carried the torch from the beginning and I hardly believe that anyone would know who Christ was let alone what he did if it were not for this religion. Now the real question is do Catholics teach Christianity. Can we use the “know it by its fruit” passage here? If yes then do we turn our backs on millions who believe in the divinity of Christ. I say no and believe it or not “the prodigal son ” comes to mind. Lets embrace each other and understand the belief of the divinity of Christ is the only true fight! Still we can past the time by arguing about other things I’m sure. One big one on here is when will the tribulation be. Believe it or not I’ve seen some plausible explanations indicating that we are in the first part of it now. Blessings !

  • Dan, You are a sleeping frog in a pot of water, all is alright for you right now. You don’t know you and your kind will be cooked in that pot. ROY CH. usa

  • Dan

    Thanks Roy ! But it’s unclear are you a Catholic unhappy with my statement or an atheist or what? I do believe the frog is awake in the experiment your speaking of. None the less your right because the frog is cold blooded he doesn’t recognize the change in the temperature.

    So I’m getting cooked because ???

  • Dan

    Ok I did some back reading. So your not Catholic. So what did I say that makes me lose my salvation in your words?

  • Dan, You take time to read up on the S.J. Jesuit, white Pope and the
    Black Pope of Vatican City and the Oath they take to be a Jesuit.!!!!!!
    How they make the vowels the to the Black Pope that is a white man
    Adolf Nichols 79 years old. How you will Kill the people like me and the Ana Baptist by the 50 to 100 million in the early times they said the Pope is not a Holy person and they were saved by faith and Grace of God and filled with the Holy Ghost to preach the Holy Word of God. They did rip up women with child and bang the little babies against the wall by the hundreds and the thousands, They today start wars like the PLO against Israel as now going on Killing children tonight and blaming it on the Jews. This Jesuit pope is pushing no salvation outside the Org of Vatican City 61 acres that in in the process of crashing the green fiat dollar to go with the EURO in the ECB in Frankfurt Germany to bring the world under the Global rule of Law, setting up for the 30’000
    Guillotines that will be used again in KJV Rev. 20:4 the loved not their lives unto death for the true word to God as the Baptist did in the dark age . After the rapture of the true church people, the Jesuit
    it could be this one today He will use the killing machines that are under FEMA control in all the FEMA camps in the USA, The FEMA coffins will hold as many as 3 or 4 setting at the end of the guillotines ready for the Obama to go for Martial Law. Define, Rex 84 it has taken the tax payers 30 years to complete as many as 1-5 camps in every state.
    Dan, I said you were asleep in the pot of water, so is most of the people that will read this page if the Jesuit will still let it be sent out to you. You do not know who you are working for. There is on salvation in the Black Popes Oath READ up on this one and you could become wise as the true Christians are that have studied Gods Holy Book KJV The killed William Tyndall for translating the Holy Word for me. Jesus said Heaven and earth shall pass away but my word shall not pass away……Dan,, Do your Home work before you try to be smart OK.!!!
    ROY C H USA

    • Steve

      Roy,

      This ludacris “Jesuit oath” you speak of has been proven wrong for centuries. It is a fabrication and made up by an anti-Catholic in the 1600s. Get your facts straight.

      The Catholic Church has always said “No salvation outside the Church” because it is the Church Jesus established.

      There won’t be a rapture. It was simply something made up in the 1800’s by the Millerites. It has no proper scriptural basis. Jesus will not have a secret second coming, it will be glorious, triumphant and no one will doubt it is Him.

      • Bro. Nick

        @ Steve – SIR – If you wish to believe the ‘Doctrines & Dogmas’ of the religion of Roman Catholicism, that is your choice.

        1} But there were early “church” fathers that wrote about the pre-Tribulation Rapture of CHRISTians – specifically by ‘The Shepherd of Hermas (95-150 AD), which was even before the establishment of Catholicism [‘The first actual Pope in Rome was probably
        Leo I (440-461 A.D.), although some claim that Gregory I was the first (590-604 A.D.)’]

        2} You wrote – ‘The Catholic Church has always said “No salvation outside the Church” because it is the Church Jesus established.’

        BUT – “The Lord Jesus Christ” made absolutely no mention of ‘No salvation outside the Church’ – For He said of Himself:

        6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
        7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

        =======================================================================
        Those of us who are truly followers of “Jesus the Christ” have chosen to have faith in “the truth” of “the word of the LORD”, and to have Biblical based belief in the simplicity of “the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God”
        – and that is my personal choice, for I am a fundamental Bible believing CHRISTian.
        .

  • Dan

    Roy there is no homework needed. My statement still stands. ALL that believe in the divinity of CHRIST will be saved. Even the Bipolar Roy.
    Make sure your judgment is to those who would not follow him lest you be judged for those you dissuade who would have. Blessing

    • Steve

      Dan,

      You are correct. But do you understand what “believe” means? It is not simply saying “I believe” or continually professing that “I believe”. In John’s gospel, which is ALWAYS taken out of context by Protestants we will take a look.

      John 2:23-24: “…many believe in his name when they saw the signs which he did, but Jesus did not trust himself to them…”

      John 8:30-31: “As he spoke thus, many believe in him. Jesus then said to the Jews who had believe in him If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples…”

      These people believe in him, yet Jesus did not trust himself to them. He said it was not enough. There must be action, commitment, etc. True belief involves following the ways of the Lord and avoiding sin at all costs. 1 John 5:2-3 says, “By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and OBEY his commandments.” It is not by simply saying “I believe” that we are saved. It is surely the first step and a necessary one at that, but many fall out of favor with God after their initial conversion.

      Your statement is very misleading as even some atheists (confused ones) and many agnostics believe in the divinity of Christ. Even Christians who go to Church once a year do too.

      • Dan

        Steve , you are a friend. Getting confused on the way people believe is misleading or what John meant.
        Complicating scripture has been the reason Christians are so divided. We get caught up in tha thees and thous instead of presenting these men and Christ in a practical way.

        Christ plainly said I am the way the truth and the life! He that comes to me shall everlasting life! We are the ones that put stipulations on his words. How much applied to the men nailed there with Christ. They believed he is the messiah that is it.
        Why would you are I be any different? The truth is we are not.
        What we take for granted is hearing his voice and the ease of which we hear it! We think everyone should hear it as easily! But they don’t my friend. Be glad that you do !

  • Dan????? You are the Frog in the pot of water as I said. You do not know it is going to get as hot as Hell for you. There is no salvation in
    the Vatican City, It is not at all Christ like..!!!! Read to me the Jesuit Oath the Jesuit pope has lived by all of his life. The Black pope is one of the most well kept secrets of the Vatican Org. send me a copy of the Jesuit Oath so we can all read it on this PC. I think many people would like to read it. There is no salvation in the Roman Org.!!
    I do not expect the frogs to comprehend the facts. They have been programed in their minds from youth up to never know the truth of Gods word from AD 300. Satan is the father of Lies and he carried the Rome Pagan religion all the way down to you Dan, and you have it real bad. This is your time to Read the (Jesuit Oath, Define) on your Google search. This is your time to get out of the Pot Frog, You will Die in there.!!!! Define, (Useless eaters.) you will do as the Vatican Org tells you to do or you will be marked as useless to them, (Rex 84 FEMA Camps Map) FEMA was said to Manage the well being of the People of the USA. It is now going to be used to Destroy all the people like in the dark ages that want to come out of that Vatican Org and become Ana– Baptist. You may be one that has to run the Guillotines at the Market Place or be run through it by your preacher. Hey!!! this is not a Game
    here today. This is life and death at the door with your (.Org.) The Rapture is very real and it has to be real soon. Type out on here for me
    The Oath of the (Society of Jesus Oath) so I can see what you stand for. and while you are at it. Type out the Oath of ALLUMINATI-Skull & bones. That is the Org. the Jesuits set up for the GHW Bush clam, Obama is in that Cult with Half the people in leadership today.
    Dan. I know you can’t under stand any of the Facts. You have a RCC Virus in your Gray matter Only God Can take that away if you will call on Jesus instead of Mary. She will never cross the red line on her son!
    Roy C H USA

    • Steve

      Roy,

      You do realize the bible didn’t exist in 300 AD? It wasn’t put together until the end of the 4th century. The Bible is a Catholic book that was approved by Catholics of which books to put in. The only purpose of the Bible was to figure out which books should be read during Mass because there were several writings of Popes that were reading during Mass in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd centuries, especially Clement.

      This “Jesuit oath” you speak of is an obvious fabrication, a lie that has been proven made up for centuries. It was made up in the 1600s. You seem a little obsessed with conspiracy theory with the ridiculousness you’ve mentioned and it is blatantly affecting your spirituality.

    • Dan

      Roy reread my post brother. I have no love for the Vatican and I’m not Catholic.

  • Deets

    Okay, now I have to step in. The Bible is not a Catholic (or Protestant, or Evangelical, or Lutheran, or any other denominational) book. It is the inerrant, inspired, infallible Word of God. It’s purpose is to reveal Jesus, to teach us how to live on earth, to give us hope for the future. The Bible testifies to itself, Scripture interprets Scripture. Passages must be read, studied and applied within context. The traditions of man do not have authority over the Word of God. The word “rapture” doesn’t appear in the Bible, but neither does the word “Trinity.” Yet the doctrine of the Trinity is accepted by all Christians. For evidence of the rapture, see the books of Timothy, within context.

    This argument between Catholics and all other Christians is not going to end until Jesus returns and sets everything straight. Faith must have an object. If your faith is in the person and redemptive work of Jesus, then you are saved. If it’s in something or someone else, you’re in trouble. Amen and Amen.

    • Steve

      Deets,

      I’m not disagreeing with most of what you said. I’m saying the only reason the BIble was canonically put together was for the purposes of what could be read during Mass. Yes, the Bible is infinitely useful and is to be read preferably every day and prayed with, etc.

      However, the Bible is a Catholic book. You cannot deny the history in that. Each individual book was written through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, but each author has their own human literary style. However, it was the Catholic Church who decided which books would go in it. There were 27 out of over 200 chosen. It was made official in a few councils in the late 300’s. The Church decided things through councils, the first being the Council of Jerusalem around 47 AD. The true Church continues to have councils throughout time, the last being in 1962. The canon of the Bible was declared at a Catholic Council, whether you believe history or not. It was the Catholic Church who made sure the Bible did not die. Monks spent their entire lives copy bibles only to finish maybe 2-5 bibles. It was not Protestants. The Protestants hated Catholics so much they Protestantized their bibles and left parts of it out including whole books, while Luther even tried to take books out of the NT too. What was declared as authority in Catholic councils (Matt 16:19 – binding and loosing) was now with no authority unbound. History doesn’t lie here – the Bible is a Catholic book no matter how you look at it logically.

    • Dan

      Yes Deets you are right and if I can go one step further. The bible is only a beacon a light if you will. Live on the milk from the bible but wean yourself to the spirit that he’s given us to understand much more.

  • Deets

    I’m glad you consider the Bible a Catholic book. I hope you read it daily, obey what it says, and worship the One it reveals. Unfortunately, proclamations and edicts by Catholic councils are not the inspired, inerrant Word of God. Good luck with your religion.

    • Steve

      Do you think the Catholic Church is just making up its authority? If it was, it would’ve been long day many a day ago. There is no possible way a Church with so many sinners and incompetent leaders could’ve survived if it was simply a human institution. The Catholic Church proclaims no authority, except by Jesus Christ.

      If Jesus Christ established a Church, wouldn’t you want to be in it? Did he intend for there to be ONE church (John 17) or 40,000+ (US alone)? What happens when I use the Bible as my authority, but I interpret scripture and disagree with my friend? The Bible is our authority so we are both right, then?

      The Bible never claims to have all authority, in fact just the opposite (John 20:30-31, 21:25). However, it does cite the Church as having authority (Matthew 18:15-20, 1 Tim 3:15, etc.). The Church has authority, not the person who reads the Bible. The Church interprets the Bible – see disputes in Acts. Christians didn’t have personal bibles for 1,500 years. How did they worship? They went to Mass and prayed. We have an advantage – we have personal bibles now, but this proves a Bible isn’t necessary for salvation – nor is it the ultimate authority.

      In the end, it comes down to what authority do you have? When did your Church start claiming “authority”? Catholics have an UNENDING APOSTOLIC line of Popes, and Bishops dating back to 33 AD. No other Christian sect can claim that. NONE! The line of David never ended, even with some of his descendents being great sinners. The Catholic Church is no different. It will never end (Matthew 16:16-18) and it is Jesus Christ’s intended succession. VIVA CRISTO REY!

  • STEVE…. Thank you for send me the Program that has been set up in your Gray matter. You and Dan should get together. Was the Baptist in the dark ages a fabrication that was Killed by the Millions at the hand of you type preachers. Was William Tyndall a fabrication that Pope Martin had Him choked to death and Burned to ashes and dumped on the Rhine river for translating the great Word of God for me? Like Dan in the hot water as the frog. He don’t know anything except what some false teacher preacher has put in you minds. Pope martin had John Wyclef
    Dug up out of the grave after 40 years burned his Bones and dumped his ashes on the Little swift river and wrote another Bull saying if anyone read his books the same will be done to them. Using FEAR to divide and conquer like the Jesuit is doing right now as I try to tell you the Facts of today. Jesus said, Heaven and earth shall pass away but my word shall not pass away at the Hands of the Black pope Adolf Nicholas standing in the shadow of the white one that says I have no right to exist. Black pope is not a racist remark.!!! from 1500-1533 to now there has been some 50 blank “white Popes” all have taken the Jesuit Oath to infiltrate, divide, Start wars as now going on against Israel.
    Is that a fabrication they are killing the children and Obama knows that. The Jesuits set up the Islam religion around 500 some to use them to hide behind today. People should read the Quran and find out how they were programed to go for Their Mary and Put down the Son of God Jesus. Is the Quran a Fabrication??? Steve, You are short on you History and Long on ignorance like I said. I can understand your foul
    Programing coming from your Foul Teachers. Many of the good people in your Vatican Org will be coming out in to the light I hope before the Rapture !!!! There are 30000 Guillotines already at the EMA REX 84 camps in the USA only getting ready for Rev.20:4 when the SJ Pope says bow to the Image, take the Mark or Go to the line at the Guillotine.
    Hey,,, Steve is this all that I have given to you a Fabrication.???
    Are you just a frog in the Pot like Dan…?? Roy C H USA

  • Deets

    This is not going to end and I keep allowing myself to be drawn into argument, which is not Biblical. I repent of the sin of egging you on and ask you to forgive me of being prideful. May God open the windows of Heaven and shower His abundant Grace on you! I really mean that. Have a wonderful week!

  • Dan

    I’m with you Deets Roy is confusing his knowledge with my salvation. Something he doesn’t hold nor Know anything about.

    Roy why do I got to be a frog in water? Can’t I be something more interesting? I won’t even say you’ll be left Roy

    I’ll save you a place at “the fest of the lamb” Roy…. Deets and Steve I’ll see there too! Blessings!

  • Sunny

    Here’s what Hinduism (some, not all though), of the past thought of Jesus Christ 🙂
    http://www.hinduism.co.za/jesus.htm

    (A rare article…just sharing)

    • Dan

      I checked your link out and its amazing how this person who obviously has put much effort into her search for G-d. Yet she misses the understanding of Christ being the (only) way to salvation .
      She is an example of Christ’s statement “the path to heaven is a narrow one” For those that hear his voice the path is vast! (emphasis mine)

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