Lutheran Church And Vatican Announce ‘Common Liturgical Material’ Partnership

Lutheran church Rev. Martin Junge, says relations between the Lutheran and Catholic churches have reached an epoch-making turning-point....
(Left to right) Bishop Dr Karl-Hinrich Manzke, LWF General Secretary Rev. Martin Junge, Kurt Cardinal Koch and Bishop Dr Gerhard Feige at the presentation of the results of the internet project “2017 – Together on the Way” in Rome. Photo: LWF-GNC/F. Hübner

Lutheran World Federation and the Vatican Announce “2017 – Together on the Way”

“And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” Revelation 18:4

Pope Francis has issued the order to bring all the world’s religions into the Vatican tent, and this front-burner priority is being accomplished at a record pace. Emergent church leaders like Rick Warren, who says that Francis is “our Pope”, and prosperity “preacher” Joel Osteen have been on-board since last year after private meetings with the Pope. But this latest coupe is also a swipe against the very heart of the Protestant Reformation as well.


(Left to right) Bishop Dr Karl-Hinrich Manzke, LWF General Secretary Rev. Martin Junge, Kurt Cardinal Koch and Bishop Dr Gerhard Feige at the presentation of the results of the internet project “2017 – Together on the Way” in Rome. Photo: LWF-GNC/F. Hübner

Rev. Martin Junge, General Secretary of The Lutheran World Federation (LWF) says relations between the Lutheran and Catholic churches have reached an epoch-making turning-point.

Speaking during a panel discussion, held 18 December, in the Lutheran church in Rome, Junge emphasized that the relationship between Lutherans and Catholics was being transformed “from conflict to communion.” Precisely in a world “in which religion and faith are regularly portrayed and perceived as trouble makers,” he said it was a phenomenal testimony that the Lutheran and Roman Catholic churches continued to move “towards a profound communion that frees us to serve God and the world.” source -LWF

The One World Religion is be assembled as we watch, and all the key players will soon be in place for the time of the Great Tribulation when it will be in full bloom. Aren’t you glad that those of us who are saved get out of here in the Rapture before that time starts?


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  • Dan

    I had always thought this was going to be subtle or hidden. No ! It’s right in our faces… Wow

  • Marc

    And they apparantly have no clue they are pawns of satan. Thank God for his wonderful truth in His Word for those who are led by the Holy Spirit can know and understand the signs of the times.

    • Eugenia Olivares

      Satan´s work.
      End Times friends.
      ONE RELIGION toward NWO.

  • Carolann

    Everyday more ~ and more people are being exposed~~~ they are coming out just as God’s word says they would . Yes Mr. Grider I’m thankful that we will be out of here with the Pre~ Trib Rapture. I’m waiting for that trumpet Blast . Maranatha The Lord Cmeth!

  • Eugenia Olivares

    Satan’s work.
    Toward ONE WORLD religion and NWO.
    End Times friends.

  • Suez

    Their not the only ones. Many leaders of all kinds of denominations are going over and kissing the evil Pope…Baptist also, among many others!

    • Suez

      Now STL, don’t try to stir up trouble…:) I seen a film where many, many representatives from all Denominations, from all over the world were at Rome, bowing to the Pope. All of them were all dressed in black, but the Poop (intended),,,,, was dressed in all white with his blood red sash. Of coarse he is in white, because he is so Holy, and the vicar of Christ you know, Puke, Puke…I’m sure not all preachers of these denominations represented feel this way, But, if the shoe fits….

    • I am proud of my association with Dr. Peter S. Ruckman, and have never been shy about mentioning it. He is one of the greatest bible teachers in the past 100 years.

  • Could this be the white hors spoken of in Revelations? False religion.

  • John Baskette

    Does the catholic church & the Lutheran’s really surpise Bible believing Christians?
    This has been the Catholic plan all along! Begining with the pagans & their celebration of the “Winter Solistice” which Roman catholics “Christianized” & call Christmas! Along with every other holiday except Thanksgiving!
    “holiday” is short for Holy day”. THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT THE SAME!

    Sorry for the & exclamation points.. Not really.

    In Christ;
    John Baskette

  • Engineer

    I posted this before on another subject where we discussed what the NWO One World Religion might look like.


    Webster Definition: A cause, Principle, or System of Beliefs – Held to with Ardor and Faith.
    Archaic Definition: Scrupulous Conformity

    A lot of people (myself included) are wondering about and discussing what might the Coming ONE WORLD RELIGION actually be. My first thought is, I’m not so sure what’s coming could rightly be called a “Religion”. More like a SUBMISSION to a New Reality.

    The way things are shaping up in the world today, we are seeing an exponential increase in “supernatural” happenings and they are becoming undeniable by mainstream Science. Mainstream Science has been hiding the facts and lying to the public to keep the Darwinian lie alive so as to keep their funding coming from the powers to be. They don’t want the public to know what’s really going on until they are all prepared and then they will roll back the certain when it’s too late to resist.

    It’s not so much an EMERGING reality as it is an UNVEILING of WHAT’S ALREADY NOW IN PLACE. The NEW PARADIGM will not require any FAITH as do all other religions. The NEW ONE WORLD RELIGION will be one of STRICTLY OBEDIENCE, accept and obey or die! Period!
    My take on this is largely based on the belief that UFOs, Aliens, & etc. are all DEMONIC and are working for satan. As I mentioned earlier, even mainstream Science is beginning to take note, but unfortunately they are prejudice to their long held Darwinian paradigm which retards their progress into the reality that is staring them in the face.

    Another facet of the “new” I say new, because I don’t hold with the Idea of an existing religion emerging to dominance, such as islam is, if it hopes to replace Christianity, it MUST offer eternal life. Which begs the question of how would it achieve and demonstrate that goal? If it were to be successful in convincing the World of living forever, it would have to have the power and backing of satan himself. Even then it will be a trick pulled off by his demons pretending to be the “resurrected” person in order to fool their friends and relatives.

    And that is within satan’s power to pull that off. With the help on his willing demonic accomplices. This “new” religion will also offer other “supernatural” abilities that people will just flock to in order to obtain better vision, health, strength, and etc. I believe people will be VERY willing to embrace this new one World religion and that very few remaining Christians” will resist it. Especially under threat of death.

  • Engineer

    If you can post, then you are not banned! Now why would they ban such a loving, caring, soft spoken, altruistic Pastor like yourself! I ask myself! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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  • suez

    Good thoughts brother. One thing for sure, it will be interesting!!!

  • suez

    Ok, whats going on with this sight? I go to post, and Ron Murphys name and email jumps in my mail box, and namebox???????

    • mountain saint

      The same thing happened to several of us, including STL. I told STL about receiving his e-mail address even though I didn’t ask for it and right away he wants to destroy me. This publishing of our e-mail addresses has got to end before it gets into the hands of our enemies, like STL.

    • suez

      Amen Christine!!!!

      • STL

        Suez: Before you say Amen to Christine, she said, We will be caught up in the air with Jesus and hover there with Him, then descend to earth to rule with him. Its completely out of content. 1st Thess. 4: 17-18 reads: Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet Jesus in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord.

        • suez

          I’m sure she didn’t mean it, how it sounded. I knew what she meant, never the less. Maybe just a bad word choice for her. We have all done as much, I’m sure.

    • Leon

      “…hover there with Him, then descend to earth…”

      Jesus coming in a Hovercraft??? 😯

      • Sunny

        Nope! Flying Saucer, maybe 😉

    • Carolann

      @ Christine, well your right about the anti~christ persecuting the Saints~these are the Saints that are the Church of Laodicean in Rev3:14 this is the 7th church ~~ they were not ready ~they were ( luke~warm Rev 3:15~16) ~and missed the Rapture The Rapture happens in Revelation 4:1 Cause the word Church is not mentioned anymore in the rest of the chapters ~Read Rev 4:1 it is talking about Heaven~ and whats there ~~ and what wonderful things.The Bride is there ~~ cause the Church has been Raptured ( The PRE~ TRIB RAPTURE). Also In Matt 25 talks about the 5 foolish Virgins they get left behind) this is the 7th church) ~(and the 5 WISE VIRGINS they get Raptured) which is the 6th church in Rev 3:10 we are not ment to worry about it we are taken out!!! Read about the Jewish Wedding ~~ Jesus will treat his Bride like the Jewish Wedding. The 5 foolish virgins was not invited to the wedding supper in Matthew 22:2 ~14 either they were to busy to come ~ or to be bothered ~~in Matthew 22:2~14 Jesus talks about a Marriage supper.~~~~ The point is let’s all be ready~~and awake!!! The Rapture will happen only 1 time ~~ then the 2 Coming of Jesus ~ with the Raptured Saints On White horses~Riding with Our Savior~ Jesus will rescue the Jewish people . Praise the Lord! Amen.

      • pacman

        “All across the world, everyday, in nominal Judeo-Christianity, there is a so‑called minister who teaches the blasphemous doctrine that Jesus Christ was a Jew. If you ask the average deceived blasphemer who calls himself a Christian who Jesus was, he will tell you that Jesus was a Jew.

        NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. JESUS WAS NOT A JEW RACIALLY, JESUS WAS NOT A JEW POLITICALLY, AND JESUS WAS NOT A JEW RELIGIOUSLY Anyone who disagrees with the expressed teachings in the New Covenant of Jesus Christ is guilty of blaspheming the doctrines of Christ.”

        The Virgin Birth, Jesus Was Not A Jew

        • pacman

          JESUS WAS NOT A Jew

          Benjamin H. Freedman, Jewish Historian – Researcher – Scholar.
          From “Common Sense”, p. 2-1-53 and 5-1-59

          “Christians have been duped by the unholiest hoax in all history, by so-called Jews. This is considered their most effective weapon.”

          “This ‘big lie’ technique is brainwashing United States Christians into believing that Jesus Christ was “King of the Jews”, in the sense that so-called ‘Jews’ today call themselves ‘Jews’. This reference was first made in English translations of the Old and New Testaments, centuries before the so-called Jews highjacked the word ‘Jew’ in the 18th century A.D. to palm themselves off on the Christian world as having a kinship with Jesus Christ. This alleged kinship comes from the myth of their common ancestry with the so-called ‘Jews’ of the Holy Land in the Old Testament history, a fiction based on fable.”

          “American Christians little suspect they are being brainwashed twenty-four hours of every day over television and radio, by newspapers and magazines, by motion pictures and plays, by books, by political leaders in office and seeking office, by religious leaders in their pulpits and outside their churches, by leaders in the field of education inside and outside their curricular activities, and by all leaders in business, professions and finance, whose economic security demands that they curry the favor of so-called “Jews” of historic Khazar ancestry. Unsuspecting Christians are subjected to this barrage from sources they have little reason to suspect. Incontestable facts supply the unchallengeable proof of the historic accuracy that so-called “Jews” throughout the world today of eastern European origin are unquestionably the historic descendants of the Khazars, a pagan Turko-Finn ancient Mongoloid nation deep in the heart of Asia, according to history, who battled their way in bloody wars about the 1st century B.C. into eastern Europe where they set up their Khazar kingdom. For some mysterious reason the history of the Khazar kingdom is conspicuous by its absence from history courses in the schools and colleges.

          “The historic existence of the Khazar kingdom of so-called “Jews”, their rise and fall, the permanent disappearance of the Khazar kingdom as a nation from the map of Europe, and how King Bulan and the Khazar nation in about 740 A.D. became so-called “Jews” by conversion, were concealed from American Christians by censorship imposed by so-called “Jews”, of historic Khazar ancestry, upon all U.S.A. media of mass communications directed by them. Then in 1945 this author gave nation-wide publicity to his many years intensive research into the “facts of life” concerning Khazars. The disclosures were sensational and very effective but apparently angered so-called “Jews” who have continued to vent their spleen upon this author since then solely for that reason. Since 1946 they have conducted a vicious smear campaign against him, seeking thus to further conceal these facts, for obvious reasons. What have they to fear from the truth?

          “In an original 1903 edition of the Jewish Encyclopedia in New York’s Public Library, and in the Library of Congress, Volume IV, pages 1 to 5 inclusive, appears a most comprehensive history of the Khazars. Also in the New York Public Library are 327 books by the world’s greatest historians and other sources of reference, in addition to the Jewish Encyclopedia, dealing with Khazar history, and written between the 3rd A.D. and 20th centuries by contemporaries of the Khazars and by modern historians on that subject.”

          Jesus was a ‘Judean’, not a Jew.

          During His lifetime, no persons were described as “Jews” anywhere. That fact is supported by theology, history and science. When Jesus was in Judea, it was not the “homeland” of the ancestors of those who today style themselves “Jews”. Their ancestors never set a foot in Judea. They existed at that time in Asia, their “homeland”, and were known as Khazars. In none of the manuscripts of the original Old or New Testament was Jesus described or referred to as a “Jew”. The term originated in the late eighteenth century as an abbreviation of the term Judean and refers to a resident of Judea without regard to race or religion, just as the term “Texan” signifies a person living in Texas.

          In spite of the powerful propaganda effort of the so-called “Jews”, they have been unable to prove in recorded history that there is one record, prior to that period, of a race religion or nationality, referred to as “Jew”. The religious sect in Judea, in the time of Jesus, to which self-styled “Jews” today refer to as “Jews”, were known as “Pharisees”. “Judaism” today and “Pharisaism” in the time of Jesus are the same.

          Jesus abhorred and denounced “Pharisaism”; hence the words, “Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites, Ye Serpents, Ye Generation of Vipers”.

          JESUS WAS NOT A Jew

          by Jason Collett

          Many denominational Christians and even church leaders are under the mistaken belief that Jesus was a Jew. But nothing could be further from the truth.

          Judea and Galilee were two separate states and political entities, as illustrated on the map of Palestine in the time of our Saviour in your Bible. Jesus Himself was not a Jew (Judean) or resident of Judea, He was a Galilean or resident of Galilee (Matthew 26:69; John 7:41), and a Judahite or descendent of the Tribe of Judah. The Judeans of prominence were not of the Tribe of Judah, but of Edomites. Pilate was being ironic when he wrote the sign “Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Judeans” for the Cross (John 19:19). That is, “the Galilean who was King of the Judeans,” as in “Queen Victoria of England, Empress of India.” Jesus grew up in Nazareth in Galilee. His disciples were fishermen from the Sea of Galilee. And although He visited Jerusalem, he spent most of His life in his home country of Galilee. John 7:1, “After this Jesus stayed in Galilee; for He could not walk in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill him.” His followers were constrained “for fear of the Jews” (John 7:13, 19:38, 20:19).

          Why was this?

          Psalm 83:3 says God’s elect are “hidden” or protected ones, and that they are under attack from a coalition of evil groups led by Edom. Who was Edom?

          Esau, the brother of the patriarch Jacob, became the ancestor of the people called Edom, or Idumea. The Antiquities of the Jews by Flavius Josephus, XIII ix 1; XV vii 9 instructs us: John Hyrcanus forcibly assimilated the Edomites as a national group and they became “Jews” in about 120BC. The Jewish historian Josephus, who lived just after the time of Christ, wrote, “They [Edom] were hereafter no other than Jews’. The Jewish scholar Cecil Roth in his Concise Jewish Encyclopedia (1980) says on page 154, “John Hyrcanus forcibly converted [Edom] to Judaism. From then on they were part of the Jewish people. In the Talmud the name of Edom was applied to Christian Rome, and was then used for Christianity in general”.

          Terrible judgements against Edom are made in most of the prophecies of the Old Testament. For instance, Isaiah 34, 63, Jeremiah 49, and the entire book of Obadiah.

          Isaiah 63:1-6, “Who is this coming from Edom . . . in garments stained with crimson? It is I [the Lord] who speak in righteousness and am mighty to save.”

          “Why are your garments red, as if you had trodden the winepress?”

          “I have trodden the winepress alone: and of the people there was none to help Me. In My anger I trod them down, trampled them in My wrath. Their blood splattered My garments, and all My clothes are stained. For the day of vengeance is in My heart, and the year of My redeemed has come. . . I will tread down the people in My anger, and bring their blood upon the ground”.

          These verses refer to Revelations chapter 19:11-21, when the Word of God destroys His enemies: “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse: and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True. . . His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns, and He had a Name written that no man knew but Himself. And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood, and His Name is called The Word of God. . . and He trod the winepress of God’s fierce anger”.

          Jehovah of the Old Testament “hated Esau (Edom), against whom He has indignation forever” (Malachi 1:2-4). If Jesus will destroy Edom when He returns, then Edom is present today, and obviously evil, anti-Christian, and anti-Semitic.

          The Edomite, Antipater, became the Procurator of Judea in 47BC. Ten years later his son Herod actually became “king of the Jews,” initiating the Edomite dynasty which ruled Palestine under Roman authority for over a hundred years. The Edomite assimilation opened the way for the virtual takeover along the lines predicted by Ezekiel and stimulus for an influx of population from the arid country of Edom into the more hospitable environment of Judea, an influx obviously encouraged for political reasons by the ruling Herodian dynasty. Edomites would have been appointed to the most influential positions, in order to extend and consolidate Edomite authority over the land and its people. Herod became notorious for his massacre of infant boys two years old and undger,” a supernaturally inspired attempt on the life of Christ (Matthew 2:16). Herod’s son Herod Antipas, continuing the work, and was responsible for the gruesome murder of John the Baptist (Matthew 14:6-12).

          Christ demonstrated a very real antipathy towards the people called Jews, in Bibles published after about 1776, but who would be more accurately described as Judeans, or residents of the Edomite-dominated territory of Judea. Jesus said to the Jews “You do not believe because you are not of My sheep” (John 10:24-27). “I was only sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel” (Matthew 15:24). In fact, Christ referred to “those Jews (or residents of Judea regardless of religion, race or color) who believed on him,” as “of their father the devil” for although they were children of Abraham, they were not children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and heirs of the blessing of Abraham, nor did they have the faith of Abraham, and were in all probability descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Esau (John 8: 31,44). In contrast, Jesus instructed His disciples – who were from Galilee of the Gentiles, not Judea (Acts 1:11; 2:7) – to pray to And in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, Jesus speaks of “those who say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan”.

          The Jews shouted “Crucify Him!” (John 19:15); “His blood be on us and on our children” (Matthew 27:25). In an appropriate turn about, when Jesus returns, their blood will stain His own garments. The spiritual leaders of the Jews were the Pharisees, who not surprisingly were associated with the (Edomite) Herodians (Matthew 22:15-16; Mark 3:6; 12:13). Jesus repeatedly condemned the Pharisees as “hypocrites” (Matthew 15:7; 22:18; 23:13,15,23,25,27-27). He also called them “serpents, the offspring of vipers” (Matthew 3:7; 12:34; 23:33).

          “Jesus spoke to the crowds only in parables” (Matthew 13:10-17). Why was this? Many nominal churches and Sunday schools teach that Jesus used parables to make His teachings clearer. But all four Gospels say the opposite. When Jesus was asked why He spoke to them in parables, He replied “Because it is given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given” (Matthew 13:10-11; Mark 4:11-12; Luke 8:9-10; John 12:37-44). Brother Branham simply said, Jesus spoke in parables to thin down the crowds.

          Jesus told “those Jews who believed in Him . . . You are of your father the devil, and lust for what is forbidden. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him . . . as he is a liar and the father of lies” (John 8:31-44). This characteristic is confirmed by the dictionary definition of the verb jew .

          But do Jews ever come up with such brazenly audacious lies, lies so enormous in scope and implication as to qualify as “chutzpah,” so admired by Jews?

          Norman G. Finkelstein of the City University of New York says:

          “The Holocaust has proven to be an indispensable ideological weapon. Through its deployment, one of the world’s most formidable military powers, with a horrendous human rights record, has cast itself as a ‘victim’ state, and the most successful ethnic group in the United States has likewise acquired victim status. Considerable benefits accrue to this specious victimhood – in particular, immunity to criticism, however justified” (Finkelstein, The Holocaust Industry (2000) published by Verso, p. 3).

          In other words, Finkelstein exposes the HYPOCRISY.

          Some further quotes:

          “In an authoritative study, Leonard Dinnerstein reported: Sixty thousand Jews . . . walked out of the concentration camps. Within a week more than 20,000 of them had died.” But ‘As it entered into negotiations with Germany [just two years ago, in 1999], the Holocaust industry demanded compensation for 135,000 still living former (camp inmates).’

          On page 83 he notes that ‘The Israeli Prime Minister’s office recently put the number of “living Holocaust survivors” at nearly a million.’ Finkelstein exposes the LIES.

          On page 127 he further notes ‘If 135,000 former Jewish slave laborers are still alive today, some 600,000 must have survived the war. That’s at least a half-million more than standard estimates. . . If Jews only constituted 20% of the surviving camp population and, as the Holocaust industry implies, 600,000 Jewish inmates survived the war, then fully 3 million inmates in total must have survived. By the Holocaust industry’s reckoning, concentration camp conditions couldn’t have been that harsh at all; in fact, one must suppose a remarkably high fertility and remarkably low mortality rate. . . If, as the Holocaust industry suggests, many hundreds of thousands of Jews survived, the Final Solution couldn’t have been so efficient after all – exactly what Holocaust deniers argue” (pp. 127-8).

          “Both my father and my mother were survivors of the Warsaw ghetto and the Nazi concentration camps. . . One of my father’s lifelong friends was a former inmate with him in Auschwitz, a seemingly incorruptible left-wing idealist who on principle refused German compensation after the war. Eventually he became a director of the Israeli Holocaust museum, Yad Vashem. Reluctantly and with genuine disappointment, my father finally admitted that even this man had been corrupted by the Holocaust industry, tailoring his beliefs for power and profit. As the rendering of the Holocaust assumed ever more absurd forms, my mother liked to quote (with intentional irony) Henry Ford: “History is bunk.” (ibid. p. 7).

          “The Holocaust proved to be the perfect weapon for deflecting criticism of Israel” (ibid p. 30).

          “Much of the literature on Hitler’s Final Solution is worthless as scholarship. Indeed, the field of Holocaust studies is replete with nonsense, if not sheer fraud.” (p. 55).

          “Given the nonsense that is turned out daily by the Holocaust industry, the wonder is that there are so few skeptics”. (p. 68).

          “Annual Days of Remembrance of the Holocaust are a national event. All 50 states sponsor commemorations, often in state legislative chambers. . . Seven major Holocaust museums dot the American landscape. The centerpiece of this memorialization is the United States Holocaust museum in Washington. . . [This] museum’s annual budget is $50 million, of which $30 million is federally subsidized.” (p. 72). (This is in spite of the fact that, as he points out on page 32, per capita Jewish income in the US is almost double that of non-Jews).

          “With a reelection campaign looming, Jimmy Carter initiated the [US Holocaust Museum] project to placate Jewish contributors and voters, galled by the president’s recognition of the “legitimate rights” of Palestinians.’ (p. 73).

          Finkelstein exposes the SWINDLE, a word formerly most often associated with Jews.

          “The Holocaust” is an ideological representation of the Nazi holocaust. Like most ideologies, it bears a connection, if tenuous, with reality. The Holocaust is not an arbitrary, but rather an internally coherent construct. Its central dogmas sustain significant political and class interests.” (p. 3). And:

          “The Holocaust may yet turn out to be the “greatest robbery in the history of mankind”. . . The Holocaust industry has clearly gone berserk.” (p. 138-9).

          Is this evaluation fair?

          Have a look at a typical account by one of the seemingly endless number of survivors: Olga Lengyel’s Five Chimneys: a woman survivor’s true story of Auschwitz (Granada/Ziff-Davis, 1947, 1972).

          The blurb on the cover of the book quotes the New York Herald-Tribune: “Passionate, tormenting”. Albert Einstein, the promoter of the US construction of the bombs used at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, is quoted as offering “You have done a real service by letting the ones who are now silent and most forgotten (sic) speak.”

          Lengyel says:

          “After June, 1943, the gas chamber was reserved exclusively for Jews and Gypsies. . . Three hundred and sixty corpses every half-hour, which was all the time it took to reduce human flesh to ashes, made 720 per hour, or 17,280 corpses per twenty-four hour shift. And the ovens, with murderous efficiency, functioned day and night. However, one must also reckon the death pits, which could destroy another 8,000 cadavers a day. In round numbers, about 24,000 corpses were handled each day. An admirable production record, one that speaks well for German industry.” (Paperback edition, pp. 80-81). [No trace of any remains of or in ‘death pits’ has been found.]

          This implies almost 100,000 corpses per four working days, or a million in 40 days, or six million in 240 days (eight months).

          Could this claim be a misprint?

          Kitty Hart, in spite of her name, a Jewish survivor born in Poland, fully confirms these figures:

          “Working around the clock, the four units together could dispose of about 18,000 bodies every twenty-four hours, while the open pits coped with a further 8,000 in the same period.” (p. 118; Return to Auschwitz – paperback edition by Granada (1981, 1983).

          According to the cover blurb, “The subject of the award-winning Yorkshire television documentary of the same name.” “Both engaging and harrowing . . . an important addition to the growing holocaust literature, very little of which conveys so courageously both the daily torment and the will to survive” – Martin Gilbert, The Times.

          Martin Gilbert, indefatigable Jewish campaigner on behalf of the ‘Holocaust’ and biographer of Winston Churchill, adds to the rich flavour and makes his own numerical claims, certainly not without chutzpah:

          In his book Auschwitz and the Allies (1981) he states:

          “The deliberate attempt to destroy systematically all of Europe’s Jews was unsuspected in the spring and early summer of 1942: the very period during which it was at its most intense, and during which hundreds of thousands of Jews were being gassed every day at Belzec, Chelmo, Sobibor and Treblinka.” (p. 26).

          If we assume a minimum figure of 200,000 per day, this amounts to say one million over a five-day working week, or 6 million in six weeks, and this does not include the truly awe-inspiring claims for Auschwitz put forward by Hart and Lengyel with Gilbert’s blessing.

          A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground penetrating radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there.

          For six days in October 1999, an Australian team headed by Richard Krege, a qualified electronics engineer, carried out an examination of the soil at the site of the former Treblinka II camp in Poland, where, Holocaust historians say, more than half a million Jews were put to death in gas chambers and then buried in mass graves.

          According to the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (1997), for example, “a total of 870,000 people” were killed and buried at Treblinka between July 1942 and April 1943. Then, between April and July 1943, the hundreds of thousands of corpses were allegedly dug up and burned in batches of 2,000 or 2,500 on large grids made of railway ties.

          Krege’s team used an $80,000 Ground Penetrating Radar (GPR) device, which sends out vertical radar signals that are visible on a computer monitor. GPR detects any large-scale disturbances in the soil structure to a normal effective depth of four or five meters, and sometimes up to ten meters. (GPR devices are routinely used around the world by geologists, archeologists, and police.) In its Treblinka investigation, Krege’s team also carried out visual soil inspections, and used an auger to take numerous soil core samples.

          The team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged “mass graves” portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, Krege and his team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes.

          “From these scans we could clearly identify the largely undisturbed horizontal stratigraphic layering, better known as horizons, of the soil under the camp site,” says the 30-year old Krege, who lives in Canberra. “We know from scans of grave sites, and other sites with known soil disturbances, such as quarries, when this natural layering is massively disrupted or missing altogether.” Because normal geological processes are very slow acting, disruption of the soil structure would have been detectable even after 60 years, Krege noted.

          While his initial investigation suggests that there were never any mass graves at the Treblinka camp site, Krege believes that further work is still called for.

          “Historians say that the bodies were exhumed and cremated toward the end of the Treblinka camp’s use in 1943, but we found no indication that any mass graves ever existed,” he says. “Personally, I don’t think there was a mass extermination camp there at all.”

          Krege prepared a detailed report on his Treblinka investigation. He says that he would welcome the formation, possibly under United Nations auspices, of an international team of neutral, qualified specialists, to carry out similar investigations at the sites of all the wartime German camps.

          (Sources: “‘Vernichtungslager’ Treblinka: archaelogisch betrachtet,” by Ing. Richard Krege, in Vierteljarhreshefte für freie Geschichtsforschung, June 2000 [4. Jg., Heft 1], pp. 62-64; “‘No Jewish mass grave’ in Poland,” The Canberra Times, January 24, 2000, p. 6; “Poland’s Jews ‘not buried at Treblinka’,” The Examiner [Australia], Jan. 24, 2000. Information provided by Richard Krege; M. Weber and A. Allen, “Treblinka,” The Journal of Historical Review, Summer 1992, pp. 133-158; Y. Arad, “Treblinka,” in I. Gutman, ed., Encyclopedia of the Holocaust [New York: 1997], pp. 1481-1488.)

          Who was the First Jew?

          John Standring

          We know that Saul was the first king of Israel and that John was the first man called Baptist, but who was the first Jew? Neither Adam, Seth or Noah are called Jew. Nor were Abraham, Isaac or Jacob. Moses was not called a Jew and neither were Saul, David or Solomon called Jew. In fact you will not find the word Jew in the first eleven books of the Bible. The first time Jews are mentioned in the Bible, is in II Kings 16:6 (and then only in translations revised in the eighteenth century) where we find Israel was at war with the Jews and drave the Jews from Elath. Isn’t it interesting that we can read over five hundred pages of the Bible before we find a Jew anywhere, yet those who call themselves Jew today claim the first five books of the bible and call it their Torah. Do you not find it rather strange that those who claim to have written the first five books of the Bible and call themselves Jew, can’t find the word Jew written anywhere in the book they call their own bible, and claim to have written? Jesus Christ tells John in Revelation 2:9 “I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews and are not, but are the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN”. We know that God changed the name of Abram to Abraham in Genesis 17:5, and that He changed the name of Jacob to Israel in Genesis 32:28, but nowhere in the Bible do we find where God changed the name of Israel to Jew! There is therefore no authority by which those who say they are Jews can claim to be Israel!

          By the time of Jesus the word Edom or Edomite had been translated by Greek and Latin into Ioudaios and Iudaeus meaning a Judean or person living in Judea. The original King James version of the Bible, 1611, translated Idumaean-Judean into Iewes. It wasn’t until the revised editions of the King James Bible, that the word Jew appeared. The word Jew does not mean Israel or Israelite! We must conclude therefore that the first “Jews” were Canaanite-Edomite-Hittite. It is certain, according to the Bible, that Jews are not Israel. jesusjew.htm

          • To say that Jesus was “not a Jew” is to reveal a COMPLETE lack of scripture in either testament. “Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.” Matthew 2:2, and “Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.” Psalms 2:6

          • Dan

            Judaism : the means which to have a perfect relationship through Torah with God.. Perhaps this also can be associated with Jewish ie: Jew

          • alongtheway

            NTEB desk, in your rebuttle it was not complete to argue all the points said above, would you do so just for those still learning thanks

          • Mark Leininger

            “Who was the first Jew?”
            The “first Jew” in Scripture was “Yehudith” Strong’s word # 3067, translated into English as “Judith”
            “A Jewess, Canaanitess” She was a wife of Esau (Edom)Gen.26:34 A Hittite/Kenite. This was the generation before Jacob had any children. And it should not be thought this was the first use of this eponym among this particular people. Any connection between “Jew” and “Judah” is strictly homonymic.
            As far as “where is he that is born king of the Jews?” These were Parthians who also heard the land Of Judah (Judea) had a new king born. Being long ago exiled Israelites, they understood him to be the Messiah.
            Using the English word “Jew” has caused incalculable confusion for centuries. It is a demonym/toponym…not an ethnonym. Jesus was an Israelite of the tribe of Judah/Pharez, who spent most of his adult life far from the Levant because, as he said, “I am sent only to the lost (apo…as in lost in the woods)sheep of the house of Israel.” And they had been exiled from Palestine for 700 years.

  • STL

    MS: I’m so touch by your comments, I just love how your trying your best to insult me, keep them up?

  • Mark Buse

    Why don’t you write to this non-authoritative European-based group rather than slandering them, and before slandering all of the millions of Lutheran Christians who are not part of their group, and who have never heard of their group prior to this idiotic slander.

    The Lutheran World Federation
    150, route de Ferney
    P.O. Box 2100
    CH-1211 Geneva 2

  • Leon

    …Old wine in a new bottle 😉

    Pope Declares Evolution & Big Bang Theory Are Real & That ‘God Isn’t A Magician’!

    …don’t miss it’s Comments!

  • mountain saint

    My grandfather was a Lutheran missionary to the United States before he got saved and became a Pentecostal. He would turn over in his grave if he saw what happened to the Lutheran church and the Assemblies of God…These spiritually dead churches are no longer preaching the Gospel but Marxism, another gospel…The Bible says that “few” will find the narrow way to heaven and it is becoming obvious that the Lutherans and the Pentecostals are taking the broad way to hell (Matthew 7:13-14). The prophecy is that the Assemblies of God would be among the first to join the one-world religion and go into perdition.

    • suez

      MS, what prophecy is that? I don’t recall reading that one. You got scriptures on that? 🙂

      • mountain saint

        Suez, read 2 Timothy 3;1-5 and 13 and examine the American churches… Are these churches preaching salvation through Christ Jesus? no…Are they teaching that sprinkling as a baby is all that is needed to make heaven? yes…And are they teaching that works (Social Gospel) can get you into heaven? yes, as long as the good outnumbers the bad…For the most part, the American churches are spiritually-dead and “few” will be saved (Matthew 7:13-14)…Today less than one-half of one percent (1%) of our young people have a biblical worldview and it shows…Jesus said that when He comes back, will He find “faith” on earth (Luke 18:8)? No, not in the United States.

  • Carolann

    Go on the Internet ~~and read about the Jewish Wedding ~~ What is Done at A real Jewish Wedding ~~ then you will understand why there will be a Pre~Trib Rapture ~~Your eyes will be opened~ and it will make sense to you. The Holy Spirit will confirm the Truth~~ just ask him to reveal the truth too you . Blessings 🙂

    • mountain saint

      Ziva, don’t follow man’s teachings. Follow the Bible…I was a Pentecostal all of my life until five years ago when I discovered on the internet that I was a 1005 Jew at birth (Ezekiel 37)… Now I have abandoned all spiritually-dead religions and have become a messianic Jew. Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with Yeshua. Religion kills.

      • Mark Leininger

        My Great uncle, Theodore Gutknecht (German-“good servant”) was a Lutheran missionary to Nagercoil, India. He was the first president of Concordia Seminary there, 1924-1928.
        He was first, foremost and only a good servant of Jesus Christ with a burden for giving light to a lost people.

  • mikel


    I’m not nativespeaker and have some problems with understanding this video about Rotschild:

    Can write for me what they are saying from 00:02 to 01:15? Please, it’s very important, I want to deliver this information to my countrymen, but I don’t understand it well.

    That’s what I’ve caught:
    Mr Rothschild, how are you doing, sir?

    …………………….. Bilderberg meeting this year?
    The Bilderberg, you will there?
    Last year?
    No, I wasn’t last year. There was my cousin…
    ………..nice, sir

    …………………………………… the Federal Reserve is a private organization, it’s a source of … across the world, started by your family

    PLEASE, help me. It’s a child play for you, native speakers…

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  • mountain saint

    NTEB, I thought that you had banned DB (pacman) and STL… But, no. DB (pacman) is back again as vile as ever, as anti-Semitic as ever and as anti-Yeshua as ever. He is a Nazi…And STL, the Marxist who wants to tear down our borders and give our wealth and jobs to the thirty million illegal aliens, is attacking and insulting you and others again. I thought that we were safe to post our opinions without being attacked and our words twisted but, no, STL never left.

  • Dan

    People , I have no ax to grind here but my only concern is to remember Christians are all different . Maybe a better way is for NTEB to post an article which discredits what Pacman is saying. We must try to show each other these things to right a wrong. Keeping one instead of losing one. As for STL socialist views are permeating our country and I don’t like it either. Perhaps this needs to happen to fulfill end time prophesy.

    • I don’t have time to refute every wacky theory and accusation that comes across these boards. If someone wants to make the inane statement that “Jesus was not a Jew” when the bible declares Him to be the KING OF THE JEWS, well honestly I don’t think that deserves much attention from me. It is up to you guys who believe the bible to step in and say something. NTEB is a forum to discuss and debate, and that’s why I allow a lot of the things I do. But STL making wild, crazy accusations, and DB making pro-Hitler comments cannot and will not be allowed. Freedom of speech is not and never was about having a platform to say ANYTHING that comes out of your mouth. People need to have filters, use common sense and have good judgment and discretion.
      NTEB is Pretrib, obviously, and if someone wants to be post-Trib because they don’t rightly divide their bible, fine with me. Ignorance loves company. But if those same people want to come here and try and STEAL someone else’s belief in the Pretrib, I won’t allow that.
      Let’s all try to get something done for the Lord in 2015, and live our lives like He really is coming back to get us. That is our Blessed Hope, after all…

      • Dan

        That’s more than you’ve said for most things here(thanks) Now tell us what you really think ? chuckle!
        I was hoping you would use this for an idea to an article that’s all.
        Pacmans view is shared by many so an article would be justified.
        Anyway, it was just a suggestion brother Grider. As for me the fact that the tribulation is actually happening would be exiting. Being raptured in the bible is vague at best. But, if I had a choice I would prefer before the Trib. Still the TV shows depicting the Revelation do make it seem exciting to go through. (joking) Seriously,in truth I don’t like it at all and wish Christians would be less tolerant.

    • Mrs M

      There are three harvests described in Revelation: the first fruits-144,000 which are sealed, the wheat harvest which is not described as such and is plentiful, and the grape-that goes into the winepress of God’s wrath. REV 7 & 14 describe these events. REV 14 further describes a harvest, the Son of man on a cloud who strikes his sickle to reap the earth. REV 7 describes a great multitude around the throne wearing white holding palm branches. The grape harvest is during the time of the fall feasts: Yom Kippur/The Day of Atonement will be the day of the Lord. The books will be shut and your fate will be sealed. That is why Jesus said forgiveness is up to 70 X 7 times (Jesus was inferring to Daniel’s 70-7’s in Daniel chapter 9) No more forgiveness-your fate is sealed.

    • Dwight Osborne

      People like you are both funny and sad. Funny because you’re teaching deception as truth and sad because you don’t believe what the Bible so clearly teaches.


    “Bear not the yoke with unbelievers. For what participation hath justice with injustice? Or what fellowship hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath the faithful with the unbeliever?” – 2 Corinthians 6:14


    “My Son, His heart is torn asunder by His representatives in the priesthood who now are Judases in His own House. They consort with the enemies of your God. In the manner of humanism and modernism, and an ecumenism that has been designed from hell, man now is plunging fast into making ready the full capitulation of My Son’s Church and the world under a dictatorship of evil.
    “When the world and My Son’s Church becomes as one, when the evil men of the cross have sought to destroy My Son within His own House, know that the end is near at hand. I say unto you, as your Mother: as you sow, so shall you reap!” – Our Lady, November 22, 1976

  • mountain saint

    Anonymous, you have destroyed your own argument by using scriptures…How can the saints come back to earth with Yeshua in Revelation 19:14 if they hadn’t been taken to heaven forty-two months earlier (Revelation 10;7 and 11:15 and 18)?…God promised the saints that they wouldn’t see wrath (1 Thessalonians 5:9) and so He takes them away from the evil to come (Isaiah 57:1). Also read 1 Corinthians 15;51-54 and 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 for proof of the rapture (saints being taken to heaven) at the seventh trumpet (Revelation 10:7 and 11:15 and 18.

  • To the RAPTURE and anonymous—regarding the rapture, you have no appreciation of the subtle differentiation between the resurrection and rapture of the living saints at His coming to Armageddon (virtually all the texts you reference above) and His mid-tribulation rapture—all the texts you avoid. Many of the ones avoided are the same ones the pre-tribulation rapture adherents hold as their proof texts in error.

    There are two rapture/resurrections. Coincidentally, a very key text has to do with the subject of the article, namely APOSTASY. In 2 Thess.2:1-4 the subject of vs.1 is compound, in two parts, namely it questions, when is the “catching away of the saints”, and the “day of the Lord”. Paul’s answer is, first must come APOSTASIA, ( apostasy the subject of this article), and the “man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition”. Verse 4 continues by specifying he must “sit in the temple of God showing himself that he is God”. This coincides with the mid tribulation (following the 1260 days of the Rev.11 two witnesses) fall of Jerusalem as shown in Dan.11:30,31.

    Critically for anonymous, the word declares the first rapture MUST come BEFORE the “WRATH”, as we see in 1Thess.1:10 where it says, “wait for His Son from heaven—who delivers us from the WRATH to come” and also 5:9,10 as follows: “for God has not appointed us to WRATH, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ. Who died for us that whether we wake or sleep we should live together with him”. Then the next issue is identifying the time of the WRATH. It is at the time of the 6th seal of Rev.6:16,17 where the WRATH of the Lamb emerges, and in Rev.15:1 and 16:1 the judgments of the last half of the tribulation occur—and His faithful are not appointed to endure the last 3.5 years of WRATH. That time is likely coincident with the 10th planet perturbation hypothesized, and for which we’ve spent hundreds of billions or trillions building the elite underground cities to hide in.

    Our job is to fight the apostasy, prepare for great difficulty, and to realize Jesus will return for the saints that remain alive in the middle. This is the time Satan is expelled (Rev.12:9) and Jesus goes to battle with Satan to retrieve His kingdom (Rev.12:10), whereupon His WRATH, INDIGNATION, and ANGER become manifest in the day of the Lord’s WRATH/day of the Lord. If anonymous is a misleading Jesuit, he’ll be here for the WRATH.

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  • mountain saint

    Mikel, I was not able to view the video but I do know more than is safe about the Rothschild (Rockefellow) family after hundreds of hours of research and two papers….Yes, you are right that the Rothschild family owns the Federal Reserve, the Bank of England and most central banks and are worth trillions…And believe it or not, the antichrist may be coming from this family (Genesis 3:15 and 49:16-17). More later.

    • Dan

      Amen Jerry ! I agree and it’s a shame this is such a heated topic. The fact that it is happening would excite me no matter when it happened. God for the most part has been silent.(my opinion only) My point is the event would herald the coming world we’ve been waiting so long for.

    • suez

      Ugg, no thanks… I will never worship mary, saints, the pope, or any of your other false statue gods…Babylon the great, mother of harlots. Come out from amoungthem, and be ye separate saith the Lord!!!!

    • mountain saint

      Dean Britton, for your information, the first Christians were all Jews and it wasn’t until later that Peter was told by God to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles. Peter never visited Rome…It wasn’t until two hundred years later that Constantine recognized the Christians and started the Roman Catholic Church. Over the years the Catholic religion has been so paganized and bastardized until now there is no resemblance to the first Century church…Today the Catholics are still praying to dead saints and even making Mary, the mother of Yeshua, into a goddess, the Queen of Heaven…Mary was just another human being like us and had need of a savior, too (Luke 1:47). She is not the Queen of Heaven and has no more rank in heaven or earth than we do (Matthew 12:48-50). And she didn’t remain a virgin her entire life but had several children (Matthew 13:55)….Yes, you are right that some future pope (or this one) is going to unite all of the religions and become the second Beast of Revelation 13. But, no, he won’t force the world to worship Yeshua, or even Mary, but the first Beast, the false messiah (Revelation 13:11-18)…If you want to make heaven your future home, you have better get out of the Catholic Church ASAP.

      • Constantine started the Catholic Church?!? IGNORANCE!! Please read from the church fathers. BTW, I have never worshiped Mary nor saints nor statues. Typical fundamentalist,…not a clue about what the church teaches.


        “The blessed apostles [Peter and Paul], having founded and built up the church [of Rome] . . . handed over the office of the episcopate to Linus” (Against Heresies 3:3:3 [A.D. 189]).

        St Ignatius of Antioch

        Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.’Letter to the Smyranaens AD 107

        Constantine lived 300 years after Jesus established His Church. Constantine invented nothing,..he ended the persecution of the church with his ‘Edict of Milan’ and closed down businesses on sunday because he noticed that christians were congregating on that day.

  • mountain saint

    This is New Year’s Eve and I shouldn’t take time to reply…There are no seven years of Tribulation anywhere in the Bible… Yes, there is the seven year covenant of Daniel 9:27 and, yes, the forty-two months of Great Tribulation (the only tribulation) will start in the midst of this covenant…It’s this same ‘midst” when everything seems to happen: World War Three (Ezekiel 38-39) and the rapture in its shadow (Isaiah 57:1), the Adomination of Desolation and the start of forty-two months of Great Tribulation (Daniel 9:27)…The saints are gone and now its the 144,000 Jewish young men who will be doing the preaching, winning tens of millions to the Lord (Revelation 7). Unfortunately, there is no rapture for them and so they will have to endure through the Tribulation, many being killed…Happy New Year.

    • Heather

      Mountain Saint: it is interesting what you posted about the great tribulation (the only tribulation) being in the 42 month time period. Are you suggesting from your studies of prophecies that the seals are realeased at the beginning of this time period? Also if Ezekial 38 & 39 happens in this time period, it doesn’t allow the 7 years for the burning of the weapons. Ezekial 39:9 says those who live in Israel with burn the weapons for 7 years. This has always been hard for me to understand. If Ezekial 38 & 39 happens right before the 7 yr covenant is confirmed, there would have to be 7 yrs for “those” to burn the weapons. But at the mid point when the covenant is broken they flee for safety to the mountains, so how could they continue to burn the weapons? So who are the “those” the Lord is referring to I wonder? If it happens at the beginning of the 42 months, who will do the burning, for Jesus has said for them to flee at point. And this would put them burning the remaining 3.5 years into the Millennium? When Christ is present. I just wanted to know your thoughts on that.

      • Suez

        Heather, I may be wrong, and stand to be corrected, but it has always been my belief, they will burn them in the 1,000 year period. But, like I said, I’m remembering from a while back, and sometimes my memory fails me…:-} Hopefully someone more scholarly will chime in. 🙂

        • Heather

          Thanks Suez, MS posted a really interesting response below and it has really given me something to think about. For starters I think his layout really puts things into perspective and lines up with prophecy and I am just floored.

    • suez

      Praise God!!! 🙂 That is wonderful!!!!

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    • mountain saint

      Michael Fackerell, you are right that there are still some believers in these spiritually-dead churches, even the Catholic Church, and it’s these people God is pleading with to come out and be separate before being sucked into the one-world religion and destroyed (Revelation 18:4).

      • mountain saint

        And don’t forget that if these so-called belivers take the mark of the Beast (666), they are doomed forever (Revelation 19:20).

      • Mark Buse

        A real Christian would know that your strange group is not the only one saved by the Lord’s gospel based on whatever extra special conditions you happen to demand from your peers.

  • Dwight Osborne

    Can anyone say Laodicean church?

  • mountain saint

    Heather, there are “no” seven years of Tribulation…There is only the seven year covenant of Daniel 9:27 and it’s in the “midst” of these seven years when most of these End Time events will occur, especially the start of forty-two months of Great Tribulation (Daniel 9:27)…As for the seals, the second and fourth seals are describing the war of Ezekiel 38 and 39 which will be fought in a valley “east” of Jerusalem, not “north” like Armageddon (Ezekiel 39:11) and, yes, it will take seven years to burn all of the weapons of war, forty-two months into the Millennium (Ezekiel 39:9)…The fifth and sixth seal are summarizing the events of the Great Tribulation, starting with the red dragon and his angels (stars) being thrown from heaven and his manipulation of human events for the next 1260 days (Revelation 12 and 13)…Twenty-nine months into the Great Tribulation, World War Four (Revelation 9:14-19) will break out, ending at Armageddon, north of Jerusalem, 13 months later (Revelation 16:12-16)..This time we aren’t told how many months into the millennium it will take to bury the dead and burn the weapons.

    • mountain saint

      Jesus is Greek for Yeshua.

  • Heather

    Wow. That is very interesting, I have never seen this scenario laid out this way. I will refer to this layout in my studies. It is true though that the prophecies only refer to three and a half years of great tribulation. Thank you MS for taking the time…

  • ina

    Martin luther was a freemason last time ….. illuminati, freemason n jesuit/vatican are evil’s instruments

    • Mark Buse

      Your putrid slander is helping nobody.

  • Andrew A

    Ina: Martin Luther was never a Freemason. He was excommunicated by the Vatican and claimed the pope to be the anti Christ in spirit. Evil can not use power against Evil.

    • Suez

      Sorry, but we don’t give a hoot and holler for quotes from “church fathers”. Jesus set up his church from those who believed and followed him. They meet in small groups in homes and anywhere. True believers didn’t go to Rome and be in the Roman Catholic church. That is a lie from hel,l sir. The Rock Jesus was talking about was Peters answered to Jesus, that was “thou are the Son of God”. It was that rock the church was built upon, not Peter!!! Peter would be so saddened from how people have been deceived from the devil about this whole thing. There is NOTHING holy about the RCC. It is evil from the very core, and from the very beginning. You need to throw out all your RCC books, and quotes and just get into the 1611 King James Bible, and pray for truth sir. I mean this will all due respect! You have been lied too and lead astray!!! Oh, also, the bible says, Jesus died ONCE and for all, so your wonderful priest and popes,shouldn’t be crucifying him over and over again, every time they does the mass (death)! Another big, big lie from satan…and terribly horrible!

      • Of course you don’t give a hoot and holler about the church fathers! That would dispel your unbelievable historical and biblical ignorance! why would i go into the KJV? There is no evidence to say it is more true than any other bible. In fact King James himself ordered the writers to not use certain words. Some of the lines in that bible are not found in any other manuscripts that even all other protestant bibles use.

        Jesus, maam, did indeed build His church upon Peter. Petros and Petra, the words that appear in the Lexicon(greek bible) both mean rock. A large immovable rock. Why do you think there are so few churches like yours in the country of Greece today? Simple,..they know Greek and understand the correct interpretation of scripture!

        The believers did soon congregate in large numbers! They met in the catacombs, can visit these underground tunnels and read their inscriptions on the walls.

        One last note to try and dispel your ignorance. Jesus is not crucified over and over again. The Eucharist was established by Jesus himself and Paul spoke of it in corinthians too.

        For the first 1000 year and realistically the first 1500 years there was only ONE church. The holy Catholic and apostolic church.

        Read this excerp from St Ignatius of Antioch written in AD 107

        Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. Letter to the Smyranenas AD 107

  • suez

    Yes,,, I do believe that’s he one!!!! 😉

    • Goldie

      LOL Such a crock!!! Lets to to the RCC and bow to idols! Kill Christ every mass, ya it’s a great church..NOPE!

  • mountain saint

    Dean, the hell with your church traditions and pagan doctrine, which are manmade and not from God (1 Timothy 4:1-3).. Let’s go by what was inspired by God and written in the Bible…Christianity is a relationship with Yeshua, not with dead saints like Mary or fallen angels like Allah.,,Religion kills. Look at all of the tens of millions of true Christians, Jews and other people that the Catholic Church has killed over the years and, apparently, will kill during the forty-two months of Great Tribulation (Revelation 17:6)…God doesn’t like the one-world anything of man, especially religion. It always gravitates towards tyranny, demonic control and hell on earth (Revelation 13)…For your information, Peter never visited Rome and the “Roman” Catholic Church wasn’t founded until two hundred years after his death. It was quickly paganized.

  • St Ignatius of Antioch

    “Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” Letter to the Smyranenas AD 107

    AD 107! Another fundamentalist lie falls to the ground and shatters like glass.

    • mountain saint

      Dean, those are the words and traditions of fallen man and not from the Bible. There was no Roman Catholic Church in AD 107….God hates one-world religion and that’s why He confused the languages at the Tower of Babel and will destroy Rome and the one-world pagan religion, Catholicism, sometime during the 42 months of Great Tribulation (Revelation 17:16-18)…Even Malachy saw the destruction of Rome and the Catholic church in his final vision…It’s your last pope who will be the “false prophet” (Second Beast with lamb horns) and will be the one who will force the world to worship the First Beast, the antichrist, and his image, abandoning the worship of dead people like Mary and the other saints (Revelation 13:11-13).

  • TeresaB

    Protestantism and Freemasonry

    Freemason Robert Fludd and the creation of the King James Version of the Bible

    Freemason Francis Bacon and the creation of the King James Version of the Bible

    Freemason King James and the creation of the “Authorized” Version of the Bible

    King James – The Founder of Freemason Lodges

    Rosicrucian Pelican Symbol on the frontpiece of the KJV

    The Douay-Rheims, the authentic and authorized Holy Bible

    Facts About Luther, and his Privy Thoughts

    Luther the Deranged Anti-Semite

    Luther the Rosicrucian Freemason

    Luther’s Rosicrucian Masonic Cabal

    Is Protestantism a Heresy?

    The modern concept of Bible-Only Christianity has for its foundation the heretics of the 16th century

    Never and Ever…

    Why does the GRBCY fund Protestant Divinity Students?

    Why does the Gizeh Shrine of BC fund Protestant Divinity Students?

    Why does the Masonic Foundation of Ontario fund Protestant Divinity Students at Queens University Theological College?

    Why does the Order of the Eastern Star fund Divinity Students at Wartburg Lutheran Theological Seminary?

    Why does the Order of the Eastern Star fund Divinity Students at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary?

    Why does the Order of the Eastern Star fund Anglican, United, and Presbyterian Divinity Students at Vancouver Theological Seminary?

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